Candace - Erika Kirk Calls Me "That B*tch”. More Exclusive Photos From Charlie's SUV. | Ep 363

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

Daily Mail drops an article claiming Erika Kirk called me "that b*tch", we have more never before seen photos of the SUV Charlie was transported to the hospital in, and Turning Point is equating what they call "conspiracy theories" about Charlie's death with Sandy Hook victimization. 00:00 - Start. 01:45 - New photos from inside the SUV. 10:35 - Questions about the ride to the hospital. 21:05 - Erika calls me "that b*tch" in a Daily Mail piece. 42:47 - Turning point equates me with Sandy Hook victimization. 57:00 - Comments. PreBorn!​​ ​ To donate, dial #250 and say they keyword “BABY" or by visiting https://preborn.com/candace Fatty15​ ​ Fatty15 is on a mission to support Healthy Aging for All, including all ages and stages of life. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to https://fatty15.com/CANDACE and using code CANDACE at checkout. Balance of Nature​ ​ Go to http://BalanceofNature.com today and get 10% OFF the Whole Health System™ supplements when you use promo Code: CANDACE. Tax Network USA​ ​​​​ Do not wait for another IRS letter or a frozen bank account. Call 866-686-1651 or visit http://tnusa.com/candace  American Financing​​​​ NMLS 182334, http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-795-1210 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Owens. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Candace Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ClipsCandaceOwens Candace Official Website: https://candaceowens.com Candace Merch: https://shop.candaceowens.com Candace on Apple Podcasts: https://t.co/Pp5VZiLXbq Candace on Spotify: https://t.co/16pMuADXuT Candace on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/RealCandaceO Candace en Español: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnEspanol Candace Owens em Português: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensemPortugues Candace Owens en Français: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnFrançais Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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that Erica Kirk was about to go on the attack against me in the press. The article did drop yesterday evening, and it is quite shocking. Erica, according to a family friend, refers to me as that B-I-T-C-H, that B, in the privacy, I guess, of her own comfort of her home and at the office. I actually quite appreciated the article, and I'm going to tell you why that is. But first, we have two more never-before-seen photos of the SUV that Charlie was transported to the hospital in,

and there's another interesting object that might complicate or perhaps further clarify matters of what happened. Also, if you are paying attention, Turning Point is attempting to shift the public discussion in a very dangerous way. They keep equating what they term to be conspiracy theories about Charlie's death. What they mean is people asking questions with Sandy Hook victims. They're calling this like Sandy Hook victimization.

They are signaling, again, if you are paying attention, that they want people or maybe just one particular person to be bankrupted or asking meaningful questions about their founder's death. So we should discuss that. It's very important. Welcome back to Candace. Where to begin? Well, let's begin with that car ride to the hospital, that increasingly complicated approximately

seven minute ride to the hospital, approximately seven minutes, right? As usual, I would like to simply have answers provided. Look, I don't want to be the person that's constantly on a hunt for basic answers. That's not a good use of my time. That's my most precious resource, by the way, time. I want to be working on side quests like, helping Blakey Neff remember what he was doing in Salt Lake City that morning, who he was with. I want to waste my time having to referee fights between Frank Churick and Frank Churick.

I'd rather not do that. I'd rather we all just sit down for an open and public forum where every question is asked and the public gets to consume that. And everyone can feel better and end this quest. But of course, from the very beginning, as we have all seen, Turning Point USA employees and Charlie Kirk Show employees, have just been stonewalling us, right? It's been the opposite of helpful. They have not been forthcoming about anything. They're growing increasingly accusatory.

They just want us to honor Charlie by honoring the widow with our cold, hard cash. That is what the messaging has felt like. I cannot do that. In fact, I have failed at obeying that mandate. Rather, in the very beginning of this thing, I have been gathering information and evidence which I thought initially, and many would think that Turning Point USA

would be grateful for it, that that's what they would be using their resources for. If you're going to overwork people at Turning Point USA and tell your employees to get to the office, why not just gather

every piece of information you can about that day? I'd prefer that over a T-shirt and a tent. Anyway, we continue. We persist. And today, we do so with two more never

before seeing. photos of the SUV that transported Charlie to the hospital. And I'm going to show you the first. Here it is. So this is, to be clear, the back seat door left side, driver side. And it is what is shoved into that little pocket there that has caught our eye. What is in that door compartment? Let's zoom in. Wow. Now, we cannot definitively state what it is. What I can tell you is that across the board in our little orbit, at home, independent, double-blind study, if you will, everyone immediately saw a glove. Myself included, take that for what it's worth.

I mean, I went out to my husband, zoomed in, gave him no context as usual. I said, what do you see, honey? And he said a leather glove. Someone else said nitral gloves. I sent it to Baron Coleman. He said gloves. The material of the glove has varied, but no. No one has offered anything else in terms of what they see.

And so I can, we just decided to grab some gloves, right? We from our one leather, one nitral, and took a look at that. When I say nitral gloves, think like chef gloves that you see them wearing. That's a, that's a nitro glove that's kind of made from a synthetic rubber. So we decided to take our little experiment further because I was then going, that looks like the end, like it's just folded on itself. that looks like it's the entry to the glove. Someone just took off their gloves and threw it in there. We decided to do some science here.

We can recreate it. I have nitral gloves. We decided to then just drop some in a car door for comparison. And here is what we came up with. There you go. That is in our door. We'll show you again. That is in our door.

We'll show you again. That's our door, nitral gloves. And again, our door. door nitral gloves. I think we can do a side by side. Did we do a side by side for comparison? And in order to get that image, just to be clear, we had to wear the glove, have somebody wear the glove, take off the glove like this. So that top that you're seeing is technically inside out, right? And then just thrown into the side like so. We didn't have the exact same car. Obviously, that's a smaller compartment. Ours is wider. I think it looks like it's.

a glove, which, of course, leads us to the next question. Why would there be a glove, any kind of glove, for that matter, put into the side of the car there? It's a good question, right? And again, I'd like to know that this glove is located inside of the left side rear doors where Rick Cutler was seated. And you should also note that in general, the door, we can take that wide shot again, it's relatively clean, right? This is. This is a relatively clean door. So I don't think this particular side of the door, I should say any blood soaked men who needed to be changed into surgeon scrubs exited through this door. I think that's that that would be a fair guess by looking at this. And again, this is in the immediate aftermath.

This is not after the car is cleaned up. And you'll, I can make that apparent in the next picture. Anyway, the only place that we could see blood on this door was just there at the handle. So we're zooming in so you can see that. I'm not sure how gloves, nitral gloves, would fit into the story. We were not going to say those are Brian Harpoles. Obviously, his hands were already bloodied. Is he going to jump in and then put on gloves? That makes entirely no sense.

Why would you do that? Why would you then put on nitral gloves and then hand them over to be put onto the opposite side of where you were sitting? that doesn't make any sense that he would have on gloves, in my opinion. Outside of keeping your fingerprints off of something, who would put on gloves, if those are gloves? You know what I was thinking? I was thinking, where are those scissors that Brian Harple used to cut Charlie's shirt?

Did the Fed seize those scissors? He said he cut the shirt. Whose scissors did he use were the hospital scissors? That's a question, I guess, I could ask in court. where are those scissors? Did Brian Harpo cut the shirt? Did somebody else cut the shirt in the car? Because that was one of a,

people thought that could have been a shirt in that backseat on the side, which Ryan, you know, that would have been Rick Cutler's side in the back seat. Did somebody else cut his shirt? I don't know. Everything remains plausible when people are telling,

I'm sorry, how did Frank Cherich tournament, not contradicting stories, they're just having different memories of the same event, which is normal. When people are having different memories of the same event, everything remains plausible. Here is a second, never-before-seen photo, and it's another shot of that mysterious object that many people, surgeons included, have identified as a burned shirt. Again, we can't say that definitively, but I'll tell you what I like about this photo before we get close to it. Maybe it is a burned shirt. Maybe it's not a burn shirt. I don't know.

Just like I don't know why the feds would want this car immediately released, towed, cleaned up, and resold so fast. None of that makes any sense to me. Why wasn't the car impounded for evidence? Anyhow, the second photo is actually very clear and allows us to zoom in on that item. And you can see we're back, the minster back there. And you can just get a clearer picture of that item that is in that. back seat, which some people believe to be the remnants of a shirt. Some people are messaging us and saying, Candace, that's very clearly the letters on the freedom shirt. Well, have at it. Another shot.

I don't know what to think, but I do believe that since no one has been convicted of this crime, it is our right to continue to investigate it and to assist hopefully the prosecution and defense. Truth. I just want to assist whoever actually wants the truth with evidence that I don't think the public was ever meant to see. Maybe they were. Maybe throughout the court case this stuff was going to come out. I have to say there is a lot that is now growing increasingly curious about that day, that ride to the hospital, other rides to the hospital. For example, recently on his show, Baron Coleman pulled a clip of Blake Neff arriving to the hospital with Danny Phillip. That's Charlie's second assistant, third assistant,

Mikey McCoy, and Nate Walker. We're going to get to that clip in a moment. But it made me revisit Mikey McCoy's call logs. Like I said, we're at this stage in the investigation now where it's good to pause and reflect and go back and remember the things that we were told, things that we found out. And initially when I sat down with Erica, I did not know who Danny Phillip was.

How could I have known? He was new, right? New as in started working full time in May after he graduated out of school. I think I did meet him in a long time. time ago when he was working for the Ohio State chapter, worth the Ohio State chapter, but I didn't know he was working with Turning Point USA full time. And I made an assumption that Danny Phillip was someone that Mikey was making calls to back in Arizona after the

assassination. So I was like, oh, wait, actually, that's kind of weird to know a little bit, not maybe weird, but that changes thing certainly to know that Danny Phillip and Mikey were both at the event together. So just to jog your memory and hopefully to jog Blake Neff's memory, Danny Phillip, Charlie's new assistant, showed up to the event with Blake Neff in an SUV. So two SUVs were rented by Mikey McCoy in Salt Lake City. And Blake Neff and Danny got into one SUV. They don't remember, or Blake Neff, I shouldn't speak for Danny. Blake Neff doesn't remember where they went in Salt Lake City.

Charlie went to the restaurantology event. He had Mikey McCoy and Nate Walker with him. And then they all went to Provo for this event. Now, I believe that Danny was driving the SUV. I feel like I saw that somewhere. I did not fact check that myself. But Danny and Blake Neff were in that second SUV together. I don't know if there were other people there.

What we do know is that Danny and Blake were standing on opposite sides of the tent when the sound of the explosive rang out. Danny Phillip was standing next to Butch Hibbs. So that's on Charlie's right side. You can see him there next to Butch Hibbs. and Blake was, as we all know, standing next to Mikey McCoy on Charlie's left side. After that sound rang out,

Blake is the first to gallop away, as one would expect. He sort of prances forward. Mikey, as we know, immediately presses his phone to his ear and walks away and calls his wife Elizabeth. Never mind that for weeks

following the assassination, everyone lies about that. They tell us repeatedly that he immediately called Erica, as he was trained to do by Charlie. Everyone he was trained. He did exactly, he was supposed to be immediately called Erica. Erica, even in the New York Times interview that she gave eight days later, said that at

1123, obviously adjusting for time, 1223, I guess, in local time, Utah, 1123, her time. She was looking at her phone. And within seconds, Mikey called her. Then we found out months later that actually no, Mikey called his own wife first, and Erica was added to that phone call three minutes later. So we're going to take a look at those phone calls as I run you further through the timeline. This is Mikey McCoy's call logs. So just two minutes after Charlie is hit at 1225, Blake and Mikey are back together and they're speaking and coordinating.

We know this because Blake, who now suffers from various bouts of amnesia, at one point remembered that part very clear. Literally. Take a listen. I was not with Mikey. Or I don't remember being with him. I think I was ahead of him as we left. And then we get out and I run for, must have, can't have been more than 15 or 20 seconds. And then I realized there hasn't been another shot. So the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something, not in immediate danger. I pause. I look around me and I see Mikey and I see Mikey there.

And I'll never, truthfully, I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past two years. I know his personality very well. He's a very bubbly guy. He's a very happy guy almost all of the time. And I'll never forget what I saw because it was clear in the moment that he was profoundly freaked out. What I'll always remember is the way his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before. And you very rarely see from someone that he was freaking out. And then I think he literally said to me, I might be imagining this, but I think what he literally said was he's and then he was looking around and then he says i need to call erika and he then he takes his phone and he begins calling erika and i don't want to disclose how that call unfolded but he did

that this you know your mind extends all of this but that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring i remember he calls erika i around the same time i pull out my phone and i call my mom just to say mom there's been a shooting you're going to see it on the news i'm okay you know, pray for me, I've got to go. And I remember that call. And around the time I put that phone away. And then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy. And he says, dad, someone shot Charlie, you need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We need everyone to pray right now. And that's what he told him. My name is Peter Parker. But I'm also Spider-Man.

This July, we're faced with a threat. That can be anyone. The world. may have forgotten Peter Parker. I'm just a neighbor. Friendly neighbor. But he hasn't forgotten them. Sometimes Spider-Man has to do the hard thing. That's my responsibility.

Talk to Banner? I didn't know you could get that big. Spider-Man, brand new day. In theaters, July 31st. Okay, so, yeah, he just forgot the part where he was already on the phone with his wife. Mikey's discussion with Erica, we know, lasted less than two minutes. The fact that has always kind of bothered me, I would have questions, perhaps, but who is to judge that immediate trauma of getting that news?

We do know that she's going to say, I effing knew it, right? That's what she tells, I believe, Jesse Waters. That's certainly what she told the New York Times. She knew it. But I digress, because the big thing that I wanted to point out is this phone call with Danny Phillip, who was presumably with them. Why on earth did Danny and Mikey jump on the phone for a full, 10 minutes in the middle of this chaos. So let's pull that back up.

Let's put that timeline, please. So he's right. He calls Rob and merges that call. They're on all these three-way calls. And then he ends his phone call with Rob McCoy. He ends his phone call with Elizabeth McCoy. That gives us a total of like he's on the phone with his wife for nine minutes, 10 minutes. And then Danny calls Mikey.

And they stay on the phone for 10 minutes. They're together. Blake Neff rode with Danny. That's the only SUV that is left. They all ran in the exact same direction. This suddenly registers to me as an extraordinarily long phone call in the middle of this mayhem, a long phone call. A lot of things going on, a lot of people to speak to the person next to you. Now, maybe Justin Strife, we have a couple options here.

Maybe Justin Strife and Erica lied to me, and it wasn't Danny Phillip that he was in the phone with. I don't know. I don't think so, but I can't make sense of that phone call in the middle of everything when they're together. Danny Blake and Mikey all run in the same direction. They get into the same car. Their cars are parked right next to one another's. What are they conversing about for 10 full minutes? We do know that they then all arrive at the hospital together around 1 o'clock p.m.

Blake says they arrive 25 minutes later. I'm going to forgive him that. I mean, you're estimating at that point. And we know that it's actually about 1 p.m. because the local news caught a live feet of them walking into Timpanogo's hospital. And this is what Barron Holman was covering because they don't seem to be shaken. They're all just kind of walking casually. And we can show you that new segment here.

Take a listen. We have a lot of news still to cover here. We want to show you live pictures, which we've just gotten into the Fox 5 Atlanta Newsroom out of Utah, where we're continuing to follow developments, surrounding the shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk, who was on a campus nearby talking to students, as he frequently does. He is the leader of the Republican youth movement. President Trump called him instrumental in getting him reelected as president. It was a shooting today and Charlie Kirk's representatives confirming that he was shot and is being treated at this

hospital. So we're staying on top of developments there out of Utah. As we continue, we're also going to speak to Senator John Ossoff coming up here in this hour. I spoke to the senator not too long ago. He had some very interesting things to say. If you'll give me a moment, I'm just being handed information from President Trump regarding this shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk. We must all pray for Charlie Kirk. We must all pray for Charlie Kirk. who has been shot, a great guy from top to bottom. God bless him in all caps, that from President Trump. That is what allows us to date what time they walked into Timpanogos

because that tweet from Trump went out at 102 p.m. And he gets interrupted, so you allow for some time for his producer to print it. He's doing live updates, and they're like, here, this just went out. And you can see it says 202 because we're pulling this in our time. time zone. It was 102 p.m. that it went out local time. Again, I'm always adjusting to Utah when I'm speaking about September 10th just to make things easier. So, yeah, that allows us to know what time they shut up. And I'm being so genuine here in looking for answers. Maybe it was another conference call that they were all conferencing. It seems that might make sense. A bunch of turning point employees

decided to jump on a conference call and coordinate, and it was initiated by Danny Phillips somehow in the middle. But it's something that I'm thinking about. That's a long phone call, a longer phone call than you had with both your wife and Erica, who I feel would be wanting more details or wanting more answers. Who knows?

A lot's happening right now. And I was asking myself the question, what in particular transpired while I was in Spain? Because it feels like a Zionist going out of business sale. You know what I mean? You know, in a store is going out of business and things look and feel chaotic, bright signs that read everything must go,

buy one, get everything else free, take it now, doors are closing forever. That's kind of the only way I can describe this press cycle. Like management doesn't actually care because they're about to lose their jobs anyway. No one is available on the floor to help you. Andrew Cole, that is management. He's back of house calling his brother.

Reverend Johnny Moore is working corporate, dropping digital assassin articles aimed at me, blaming his competitors. Ben Shapiro is on the phone, receiving updates, but he's totally not involved, guys. Totally not, just curious about why they're having a going-out-of-sale business. Blake Neff is the creepy window shopper.

He just keeps walking by. the windows, you can't remember why. Everything just feels like it's going to hell in a handbasket. So after 10 months of the Christian grift, the Ali Stuckies, the Dana Lashes, the honor, the widow presentations, Erica is apparently done playing the role. And I have told you since earlier this year

that she's the one directing the show from behind the scenes. She's nasty behind the scenes. She calls people's priests. That's extraordinarily. That's extraordinary. That's extraordinary. That's just something you should know. She personally took credit for having Matt Walsh cancel his in-person appearance at the Catholic

Prayer event for Catholic for Catholics, just because I was attending. That's a fact. That's not my organization. He transformed what was supposed to be his appearance into a video message instead because Erica was upset that I was going to be present. This was not a political event. It was literally a prayer. I spoke very briefly about my conversion.

to the faith and my initial hang up about the Blessed Mary. And to be clear, like I said, Catholics for Catholics is not my organization. She wanted to hurt another organization simply because I was going to be present. A small organization when weighed against her, her power, her connection, White House was making phone calls because she doesn't like me. She explicitly told people that it was, and I quote, a woke Reich event. that's a term that I first heard come out of BB Net in Yahoo's mouth for clarity. I remember that. The woke right, we got to come after.

He had all the American influencers around him. It is not a term that Charlie Kirk ever used. So it's been difficult knowing that than having to watch her publicly pretend that she doesn't get involved, that she doesn't play petty politics or know what's happening. She's too busy working. It was part and parcel of my assessment that she's a psychopath, because that's really fake. She watches everything.

She watches every moment. She watches me and she has been directing the attacks against me since the beginning. Alongside Andrew Colvette, who's now gone masked down. Before I was even aware, right?

I presumed these people were allies and then I found out thanks to them firing a bunch of people that they were calling the shots. They knew I was going to be a problem from the very beginning because I'm not going to get in line with an absurd narrative.

I need to know the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk. Okay. Now, I want to also make it clear I have never done that. I have never engaged in that. I have never made personal phone calls and asked influencers to support me. I've never asked people to not attend any turning point events. To the contrary, and dare I say, true to the philosophy, which was held deeply by Charlie Clark himself, I think people should go and debate these people. If you have disagreement, as Charlotte and I said repeatedly on many stages, you should be welcome to the front of the line. But this is a brand new organization since his passing, one that makes personal and public calls to my advertiser. to be dropped. So rich that they're like, you're a commie, Candice.

Someone tweet, I think they're C-O-O. This is Maria, Marina, who did that the other day. I'm going, you guys are literally responding to the free markets by saying the free markets need to be stopped

and making private phone calls to advertisers. This is an organization that now believes that words are violence, right? That questioning Erica means that you are

inviting people to murder her and utter nonsense. I will. say it until I am blue in the face. I want no harm to come, not only to Erica Kirk, to anybody at Turning Point USA. Not Andrew Kovett, not Blake Neff. As we discuss these people, I'm comfortable with them discussing me. I want answers. I don't want anybody to be hurt. I wish only for the absolute truth to surface about who really killed my friend Charlie Kirk and why. Again, that should make us natural allies for some reason it does not. But I have to say that I did

genuinely appreciate the article, which was dropped in the Daily Mail, it arrived as a breath of fresh air because this is, we get to see the real Erica. Here is the extraordinary headline. Erica hates Candace Owen. She thinks she's the ugliest person in the world, a soulless ghoul. Charlie Kirk's family reveal widows private tirades against the podcaster that she refers to as that bi. I'm not going to curse here. So for clarity of ghoul in Middle Eastern folklore is a demonic being. that haunts burial grounds and deserted places. Traditionally, these creatures were said to have the ability

to shape shift to lure travelers into the desert and to consume the flesh of both children and the dead. A strong occult start to what is sure to be a promising article and how we felt about the people surrounding Charlie, soul suckers a little bit, right? And for those of you that are wondering if the story is actually attributable, meaning like, is this just a gossip piece in the Daily Mail?

You would do well to remember that Turning Point USA turned to the Daily Mail exclusively to clean up their Charlie GPT-Aspen mess. They gave them special access to see the unedited clip that the public still has not seen so that their journalists could then turn and tell the world, you can trust the video totally exists. It's real. Charlie really did pick Erica to run the company in the event of his untimely death, which unfortunately just so happened to transpire just three short weeks later. Remember that?

They went to the Daily Mail. That demonstrates a real PR relationship between Turning Point USA and the mail. And as another point, the author of this piece reached out to Turning Point's spokespeople for comment, and they declined to give a comment.

That is an opportunity for them to issue a statement saying, this is not true. We have no idea what you're talking about. Instead, they just declined to add to the article so we can assume this is real. And they list a family friend as a source initially.

And then elsewhere in the article, they say a family member. At the beginning, it says a family friend, I think that's probably going to be a Tracy Martin-esque character, given the fact that she's the one person that I know that's close to Erica is a friend and is also close to Erica's family, namely Lori. She's actually the only person that I know. My guess would be Tracy Martin because she's also been the driver behind other wacky pieces that Us Magazine won, but who knows? That's not the point. It doesn't really matter.

We don't have to speculate as to who the family friend is. Let's just stick with the So the piece opens up by letting us know that Erica has remarkable compassion for Tyler Robinson and his family. I kid you not. It says, quote, when Erica arrived in a tiny Utah courtroom earlier this month to face her husband's alleged killer, she expected to be overcome with rage. It was the first time she had come face to face with Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk at the speaking event at Utah Valley University 10 months ago. and yet, in place of anger, Erica instead felt an overwhelming sense of sadness, compassion even, for 23-year-old Robinson and his family.

According to two sources that are close to the Kirk's, quote, she was really concerned about being in the same room as him. She didn't know what she was going to feel. She said that a lot, one family friend exclusively told Vidal email. She thought that she was really going to be angry and mad to really hate him, but she didn't.

She just felt really sad. Overwhelming sadness is what she called. It made her grief even more. She didn't want to fight with him or his family, she said. She almost felt compassion for Tyler Robinson and definitely for his family because it's just so sad that two families were destroyed on that day. So compassion for Tyler Robinson again. She felt it instantly. In her aftermath, you could say, she demonstrated forgiveness immediately at least.

And now she's demonstrating it again in a courtroom with him. And by the way, I echo that sentiment because I feel like the entire world knows that he didn't commit this crime. So how kind of Erica to feel compassion for the person that they are considering murdering to be clear for something that he didn't do?

I haven't seen any convincing evidence that Tyler Robinson committed this crime. So compassion would be the right thing to feel. I want you to understand that, by the way. These influencers are calling for the murder of an innocent man. We should deeply understand that. Okay?

Tyler Robinson will receive the death penalty if he is found guilty. So I think I found your soul as ghouls, Erica. It's unimaginable to me to call for the execution of an innocent man without literal overwhelming evidence. After the public execution of another innocent man, when they say these statements like case closed on the basis of one hearing where we are shown nothing close to concrete evidence or when they pretend that they are being submerged, overwhelmed, that is precisely what they are doing.

It is so evil they are calling for the state to murder Tyler Robinson. I want you to put that on your mind. When you read it, they want Tyler Robinson to be murdered. Case closed, murder Tyler Robinson. That's what they're saying. Sick. It's really sick and it's truly evil. What would make you call for that?

It would, it just, it sickens me that so many people who I once respected are engaging in that. Guilty before innocent, right? Guilty before proven innocent. Then, of course, after this compassion that she displays, there was a dramatic shift in the article, and she talks about, quote, unquote, conspiracy theories after dealing, detailing that compassion for the man, that she herself said she was certain killed her husband. That's what she said to Barry Weiss. Remember that? She was wholly confident that this man killed her husband because she has access to the evidence.

Here is how she then flips and describes her feelings toward me, someone who is trying to find the true killer. The article reads, quote, that bridge is burned between Erica and Candace. It's more than burned. It's been blown up. There's no reason for Erica to ever speak to Candace again, ever, the family member said. Canis decided to make this her identity. It's a grab for attention, building her name and her brand and making some money off of it. That's what Erica thinks. Oh, brand? Being built?

No, Erica, I had a name and I had a brand before Charlie Kurt was assassinated. In fact, me and your husband built our names and our brands alongside each other and apart from each other. The world didn't know your name until he died. You attempted to build your brand thereafter, and you made an incalculable amount of money in the process. Do we all need a refresher on the things that she was willing to sell? The photos, the bloody mic in front of donors, the taken in front of it, the bloodied tent, people taking selfies under it. It took just three weeks after Charles' assassination for Erica to file for three trademarks, granting her the right to his name on T-shirts, tote bags, any and all clothing.

three trademarks. And those freedom shirts, which were sold immediately. Remember, everyone wanted a freedom shirt? They were actually very costly. Those were not sold through the charitable arm. Former employees have confirmed to me that those profits went straight to Charlie Kirk Show LLC. So that's for her personal profit. Once upon a time, Charlie told me Andrew Colbert owned a piece of that company, too.

Andrew Colbert's personal profit for Charlie. And of course, it wasn't for Charlie. So as a refresher, I already had a name. I already had a brand. I was already being sued by the president of France. I think I was actually known globally. What did I sell when Charlie died? How many trademarks did I file?

It is wild to me, okay, that this article goes on and states, quote, Erica is really offended that Candice would use her husband's death to make a buck, to get attention, to get clout, whatever it is, she's offended. That's her focus, guys. once again, all Erica cares about is money and brand and merchandise. That's what she's angry about. It's such an unbelievable thing for her to share. For someone to say that, she's upset.

She thinks Candace is making money. She just doesn't have enough of it, apparently. They can't make enough of the money off of Charlie's death. So what she's concerned with is whether or not I'm making any additional money while I try to figure out who killed her husband. So let me make this perfectly clear again. Erica, please listen to me. When Charlie died, we had already signed all of our advertising agreements through not just

at the end of last year, 2005, but through to Q1 of this year. So what that means, because I don't really think you're well versed in business, is that not a single additional advertiser was brought onto his platform and no existing advertisers had their rates raised. Okay? We didn't make money in advertising. We sold zero products. You remember all of the influencers, they raced to put his name, his face,

on cups, on T-shirts. We're going to share proceeds with Erica. We're going to do this. We all want to fight Charlie, blah, blah. The same influencers who are now selling you, the Fed Slop about how he died, we didn't engage any of that. No, we were actually grieving to the stark contrary.

We sold nothing with Charlie's face. No memorabilia. That a single item was sold by us in the aftermath of his death, everyone racing to commemorate him by making money for themselves. And I would point out that In our tribute episode to Charlie, our biggest episode by views ever, we sold and consequently read, zero ads.

Zero, none. Go back and watch it. It's still up. To my friend Charlie Kirk, no ad reads, nothing sold for the public. Our show before Charlie died was already in the top 10 globally, sitting above the Charlie Kirk podcast. And every single episode of our new podcast, since we launched it back in 2024, has averaged well above a million views. Go back and check that.

So what is it, Erica, that you are actually upset about? Really ask yourself that question, okay? Because time and time again, you keep reminding people that all you care about is money and brand and merchandising. But I have to tell you, it is the way this article concludes that is just stunning to me. It continues, quote, Erica says she's not going to give that woman an ounce of her energy. It looks like I'm getting a lot of it right now. But sometimes she just can't help herself, and she'll just sort of explode the tirade.

She hates her, Candice, more than she hates her political opponents. Who are your political opponents, Erica? Who are your political opponents? Who are you? Who are you? You're some beauty pageant wife who took over the reins of Charlie's company,

telling us a story that this just, he wanted it in the end, but just couldn't put it in documents. Who are you to think that you have political opponents? It continues, at least with them, she knew where she stood. They didn't exactly betray her like Candace did. Candice did her so dirty. I think at this point, Erica likes even Tyler Robinson more than she likes Candice.

End quote. Yeah, Erica. That's what Druski. and everybody who's been speaking about this has been getting at. That's why people think there's something wrong with you. Because you meant this article to be a smackdown of me, but all it did was further reveal your character. You have been on a wild pursuit of fame and fortune your entire life.

You started doing pageants I think we showed when you were like 12, okay? Sixth grade, maybe. And you have not stopped wanting to be in a spotlight. Every person you have dated has had some degree of fame, and you saw Charlie as your ticket to more fame. And then you finally got it in your view. When you walked out in a white pantsuit with sparklers behind you and you sucked all of that in, that was it. That was the moment. We look back at those photos of people at the memorial.

I have never seen such glee and such happiness. You clinked glasses. You guys then went to a restaurant. You celebrated. Finally, Erica, finally for you. After decades of trying, you had made it into the spotlight and everybody loved you. Brand, merchandising, shirts.

You got on that Zoom call. The sales have been crazy. 50,000 shirts sold and kicked back into the LLC that me and the Charlie Kirk show people own. For Charlie, for Charlie. And then it all came, crashing down because maybe Charlie had an actual friend. That's what's annoying.

Me, I'm the renegade. I'm the one thing. He had an actual friend who wasn't content to sell a t-shirt and move on and then sell some fed slop and move on because the price was right. That's what you're upset about, Erica, money and fame. There is no substance in this article because there is no substance in you. And that's my opinion. not a call for you to get hurt,

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Promocode candace at checkout. So what is Turning Point USA, Erica Franz-Fa planning now? They're very angry. That is obvious. The influencers are angry because they are losing. And they are losing not because they didn't have enough money, not because they didn't have enough people who were willing to sell their souls and make videos and try to hypnotize the public into believing.

anything but their own eyes? Well, I noticed something. Three times, I just said, this is very weird. Suddenly, as soon as the Tyler Robinson trial began, these same influencers who have been attacking me are all raising the matter of Sandy Hook. It's very strange. I'll show you this.

Seth Dillon, resident liar, Hampton's guy. He writes, the main reason Alex Jones was held liable was not that he questioned an official narrative. It was that he repeatedly and callously made false accusations about specific people. He claimed the Sandy Hook shooting was staged that the grieving parents were crisis actors and that they were knowingly participating in fraud. His false claims made for cliques and fame were damaging.

Severe understatement and led to harassment and threats against grieving innocent people, so his protected opinion defense failed. The First Amendment protects the right to criticize events and to criticize official accounts, but does not provide blanket immunity for defamation. Oh, how interesting. Seth Dillon from the Hamptons, this feels like a bit of foretelling to me. This is how these people operate. You always know what is coming down the pipeline because they just start signaling.

Today, Tim Poole tweets. If you want to get amplified on YouTube and X, all you need to do is claim the official story of Charlie Kirk's assassination is a cover-up and there's a conspiracy. Why is social media amplifying this so much? Why does Big Tech want this narrative to be front and center? I don't think they do. I think the majority people believe this, Tim. He goes on.

Alex Jones made claims about Sandy Hook, and he was destroyed. His company was sold off to try to humiliate him. What is the difference here? You can claim one story is true, but the other results in your company's total annihilation. YouTube has rules around conspiracy. Specifically, they were strict conspiracy claims and amplify what they call authoritative news sources. Why is YouTube boosting these videos in the algorithm? Why does the machine want this narrative so badly?

Contrast this with COVID. You'd get demonetized instantly if you talked about COVID in the early days. we couldn't even read news reports about out of China that discussed the basics. He's basically saying, state, where are you? Where are you, states? What is the state going to do about the fact that people are using their common sense?

So now we are going to tie it to children being murdered in Connecticut. And he wasn't the only one. Again, this is all happening. Tyler Robinson trial, they're all talking about Sandy Hook. Blake Neff was on a Twitter space, And he similarly and specifically compared me to Alex Jones and Sandy Hook.

This is a talking point that is being distributed and it's a dangerous one. Take a listen to what he had to say. Nothing compares remotely to the fact that Candace Owens has spent a sustained 10 months, making effectively every episode of her show, finding some new way to target Erica, target Turning Point, target other people who are in the Turning Point University. Target random family members of Varus has happened at times for 10 months in pursuit of a conspiracy theory that has literally never had anything to back it up. Like it inspires comment and notice because there really is essentially nothing like it that

I can recall in my lifetime. Like even, even as a comparison, even the stuff with the Sandy Hook parents, that was the stuff a few people ran with. And I just don't think it ever, like Alex Jones got sued for it. I don't think Alex Jones made that the only subject of the show for a 10-month period. And that's what's happened here. I just have never seen anything like it in my life. Again, they are priming the public to see that this is just like Sandy Hook.

This is no different. It's actually almost worse to what Alex Jones did because he didn't go on for 10 months. You know what, Blake, I don't think Alex Jones lost a child at Sandy Hook. He probably would have gone harder in the paint. When you know someone that's involved, you go hard. harder, okay? That's just the reality of things. I care deeply, okay? Because I came up along Charlie, and if Charlie's not safe in the political space, neither am I. Certainly not with you guys speaking like this. That also was the point of the NCRI report. That report, is that going to be used as

evidence? Look, harassment. That is what they took Alex Jones down for. He said something, which he has apologized before and said was wrong. He speculated that the children didn't actually die that day. And then they came after him for emotional harassment, stress, whatever the claims were, and they sued him and won for $1.4 billion, effectively ending his Info Wars platform, suing him into bankruptcy. And I want to be clear, they're also putting people on their show to say, you know, Erica's just like the parents at Sandy Hook. This is the priming. They all know something that we don't know. They're not all kind of going back to Sandy Hook for no reason. Here is Viva Frey on the Charlie Kirk Show.

Take a listen. We're living in a world where people have sort of gotten back into the realm of the Alex Jones Info Wars, Sandy Hook level, psychotic conspiracy everywhere. Where now people are saying, all right, I believe everything we're being told is a lie. So I'm going to not believe anything except for that, which I've convinced myself of already. I don't know if Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. I don't know if he was on the roof and he was the one who. who fired the gun. I know what the preliminary evidence looks like right now,

and I know it's being adjuiced at the preliminary hearing. But the insane conspiracy theories that are being floated, that are implicating everyone and anyone involved, that are unsubstantiated and unfalsifiable in their vagueness, I mean, I'm seeing Sandy Hook 2.0 recurring right now. I appreciate there are some issues with the prosecution. There's some issues with the investigation. and there's some issues with the evidence.

I can find, I can appreciate that. But to go from there to say that it's exploding microphones, Israel did it, and not that Israel might have had a hand in this, but until you can provide the slightest shred of evidence other than I can divine an intention or a motive, you have to admit that from the evidence that you have right now, if you have a more plausible theory than the one being presented, which is Tyler Robinson, was on the roof,

took the shot, had the rifle, had the moment, and had the opportunity, if you have a more plausible theory to present, you can go ahead and present it, but you don't get to manufacture facts out of whole cloth. This is for sure foreshadowing. This is like this kind of dark psychiatry. I'm well accustomed to this. They are getting ahead of something, okay?

They know something and they're priming the public to think This is just like when elementary school children died and Alex Jones had to be sued. And it is deeply ironic and almost sick that that is being platformed on what is still being called the Charlie Kirk show. Because let me tell you what the namesake Charlie Kirk himself had to say about people who call for lawsuits and for people to be bankrupted because they don't like speech. Here is Charlie Kirk regarding that specific Alex Jones lawsuit. Alex Jones was patient zero for the censorship regime back in 2018. And now Alex Jones is patient zero for lawfare strategies to be able to shut people up that they don't like. Is Alex Jones outlandish?

Of course he is. He's a quasi-entertainer. That's one of the reasons why he's so popular. But Alex Jones has been right about a lot of things. And so people say, well, don't talk about it. You know, stay away from it. I learned my lesson. I learn my lesson what happens when I stay quiet and I listen to these people.

I'm not going to put up with another bad precedent being set because I'm told that I should hate Alex Jones. He's outlandish. He's wild. He's entertaining. I don't agree with him on everything. They're doing this to be able to show it's a spectacle. And some people say, look, Charlie, this isn't about the regime doing a spectacle.

It's about the families of murdered kids. I think it's not right what Alex Jones. said and what he did he agrees with that should you be able to shut somebody up because of it rachel maddow accused one america news network of being funded by the russian government and a judge tossed that away because under free speech provisions a billion dollars we're going to talk about this in the next segment throughout the hour this also is an opportunity that I hope all of you take. Watch carefully today.

The podcast you listen to, the radio shows you consume, the TV shows you watch. This is a scorecard moment. If your favorite conservative commentator is silent on Alex Jones, that is very telling. Lawyers for the Sandy Hook families

say a verdict will send a signal to other conspiracy purveyors about the cost of online lies and set in a motion a chain of events that could shut info wars down. So basically the New York Times is saying this is a lot bigger than just Alex Jones. And you might be out there and say, I hate Alex Jones and he's a whack-a-doodle and all this sort of stuff. Look at the bigger picture. Have you learned nothing about how these people operate? Conspiracy purveyor.

Who exactly is that? You know who the conspiracy purveyors are? Every single one of those mockingbird maniacs on television that was telling us, Donald Trump is a Russian agent. You're the conspiracy theorist, but they'll never be held accountable. No, what they mean by conspiracy theorist is someone who asks questions

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on his own show, his namesake, the Charlie Kirk show, which used to represent Charlie Kirk's ideas. And now we have these pathetic people who are an extension of the state, the very state that Charlie was trying to fight, the surveillance state, the totalitarian state, people that then use the state

to punish people with lawsuits, how dare they? How dare they do it with his name below in the banner? The Charlie Kirk Show is now using the same logic that we believe that what happened

and Sandy, this is like akin to Sandy Hook, people are being harassed. They are signaling that this is their last desperate ploy. Mark my words. We'll end this with a Charlie Kirk tweet. So we know exactly how he felt about this. He wrote, the lawyers behind the sham billion dollar verdict against Alex Jones are now trying to seize his personal social media accounts in bankruptcy. This was never about justice for Sandy Hook families or whatever excuse they gave.

The lawsuits against Jones have always been about finding a way to censor and destroy. a person that the left hates and then using that blueprint on everybody else, you were right. Except Charlie, wherever you are, you would be proud to know that for once, the left and the right are united. We are united against the state of whatever the hell turning point USA has become. Because we know it's not you. We know it's not what you represented. And we think it's why you didn't, after you passed, the energy, it didn't stay there. Because how could it? You would detest what it's become. We'll be right back after a break. All right, you guys, do you owe back taxes?

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It came from soggy sunflower. They wrote, Frank Turrick, quote, I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for that meddling Frank Turich. I sent that to the team. I said, we have to turn that into a meme because that is spot on with Frank Turich. Here it is. He would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling Frank Turich. He's very angry at his past self.

It's a lot to deal with. And then the second biggest comment that, we had top comment was Candace is literally having to do Cash Patel's job because he won't do it himself. I got an idea about why he won't do it himself. Comments from today's episode, True Detective, writes regarding the Franklin scandal, we mentioned that yesterday, watched the 1993 documentary entitled Conspiracy of Silence. It was supposed to air on the Discovery Channel what was pulled from the schedule. Black magic is real, not just in horror novels like Falling Angel by William Hortzberg or the God at Dusk by Anand Bosmia. I absolutely know that

black magic is real. We've been speaking about the occult on this show for a while. It is, it is extraordinarily real. And for a very long time, Hollywood had people thinking it was just hocus, it's not. And yeah, I hope that I've done a good job of making people understand that. And thank you for that documentary recommendation. Ryan Grange writes, please make this make sense. Quote, I forgive you to the alleged killer to, quote, happiness comes and goes, I hope you find it, to the heckler calling her a pedal protector, to quote, Candice is a B, make that make sense. Canis, please go absolutely max. It's time to drop all of the receipts. Why not? Zammett writes, we the people, refuse to allow our America's beating heart to have ceased on 9, 10,

2025 at 12, 23 p.m. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be a fight. I sense it. You can see it building, the anger that they have is building. And it's like when nothing is left and you start talking about Sandy Hook, I feel like there's just the writings on the wall, right? They're going to, they're going to really burn down Charlie's legacy to the ground. They're going to become the very thing that he fought because perhaps they always were the very thing that he was fighting that was surrounding him. Perhaps. Think while it's still legal. The warrior writes, I respect you for what you do and I admire your bravery. Thank you guys. And it is, like I said, many times during that healing process, I may have showed up here, but I was not doing okay. I feel like it wasn't until this recent trip to Spain that I feel like.

myself and like I'm ready to fight again. And like I survived whatever that was, which was just being fought every second of every day for trying to get answers to what happened to Charlie by this apparatus of evil, really, an apparatus of evil that just attacked every layer of my life while I talk about, you know, striking you, the expression, crying out while they strike you. Literally, are we kidding? Do we have that Laura Lumer? Somebody just tweeted this like just to show the psychosis of Laura Lumer. Here's 591 Laura Lumer posts talking about at Real Candice O.

And he followed this up by saying that's just what was digitally possible to fit onto a screen. This is real. He just posted this. And then he showed how like 45 of them were happening in just one evening. And she's just one person.

This is the person that's then retweeted by Ben Shapiro's lawyer who's been suing me for three years, who's now suing me on behalf of Brian Harpole. This has been my life. And I have not complained. I have not played the victim. I have not asked people to put together bogus reports about digital assassins.

Have I had to up my security? Absolutely. Does anybody care about the death threats I get? People that were putting up my children's cars, Laura Lumer, who was doing that? And they just pretend, like, I'm not a person. Full time, these people are dedicated. These accounts are dedicated to just attacking Candace Owens all day every day while she's investigating a murder.

That's it. Okay, asking meaningful questions. Do we get it right all the time? No. Do we want to get it right? Yeah. That's why we want still to have an open forum with all of these people. You know, Erica, the feeling's not mutual.

I don't hate you. I don't hate you. I just don't feel that way. I can't muster that emotion for you. So I don't feel that way about Blake Neff. I don't feel that way about Andrew Colvette. I hate what they are doing to Charlie's legacy. I hate that they will not just come hands open and sit down and do an open forum.

I resent that. I resent that they won't do exactly what Charlie would have done. But I can't change that. I can just keep asking questions and keep Charlie's memory alive until we get answers. That make sense. That don't include naked men on the roof and then forgetting about those themes and moving on and calling everybody else to conspiracy theorists. Honey Butter writes, my husband says it's definitely

a glove that is used to denature alcohol to scrub Charlie's body. That's what my husband uses at work with his woodworking and his gloves look exactly like that when he is done. We love you, Candace, praying always, God is in your corner. That's very interesting. As always, if you guys have any tips, people who might have more photos of the scene that day, particularly what took place at Timpanogos, if we can tighten that timeline, that would be very helpful. We are now hearing from people who worked at other parts of the hospital saying that their computers were shut down for six hours. That's crazy. That makes no sense. They all feel like something strange happened on that day, the people that have reached out, not everyone. More tips at candaceowens.com. If you know,

anything, have more photos that we can display. If you caught something, if you are a federal government agent and you want to be a whistleblower, I mean, anybody who wants to come forward with information, we will accept it. And as always, if we get something wrong, we will pivot and we will correct it. And that includes Turning Point USA employees. If you are hearing the rumblings about anything about what's going on there and you've seen enough,

reach out to us. More tips at canis-oans.com. We've got people there. We could always use more people who are interested in doing what Charlie would have done. Fighting. Aunt Leash writes, doesn't that nitro glove look like it's a little melted

on the tip of one finger and the side of another. Nitro would protect against chemical burns from explosive residue, but not from flames. Did they burn Charlie's shirt in the SUV? It's a question. It's a question. Did they burn Charlie's shirt in the SUV? Did somebody put on gloves because they were cutting Charlie's shirt and didn't want their prints on...

Who knows? Could be? Could also not be. I'm with you guys. Thinking while it's still legal. Thinking while it's permissible before they pretend that the conspiracy is a crime. in and of itself, that lives are being ruined because people are asking questions. I couldn't have said it more beautifully than Charlie about what they're actually doing.

And, you know, Charlie said it all. He did. He said it all. And I agree with him wholeheartedly. Thumbling is grace writes, thank you, Candice. We all miss Charlie. And lastly, this person, Navi writes, shout out to my wife, Ethiopian queen. What impact do you have on this case? Is change possible? Is change? possible. Yeah. In the end, we win. Truth always wins. I mean, this has been an example, just so we're clear, we had nothing on our side. No money, no bots, no Israel, no other country is trying to take you down. We didn't have a Department of Justice willing to work for us or, you know, post our stuff, Department of War, making things go viral. We had nothing but drive

and a willingness to commit to truth. That's all we had. And that is what has kept people interested in this case. And I genuinely thank God for that. I thank God for that. I can't even imagine if Charlie, they had just accepted the Fed Slop and that was it. And I think it's brought everyone closer as well.

Like I said, left and right. And wherever Charlie is, hopefully, you know, Charlie sees, gets to see this, to see the left and right come together, which is not something that either of I even strive, he or I ever even strived for in the beginning. You know, we both played that game of left versus right, and now the picture is bigger,

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