Candace - EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: What He Saw On Fort Huachuca The Day Before Charlie Died. | Candace Ep 282

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

I thought long and hard about whether or not to bring the eyewitness from Fort Huachuca onto the show,. When we speak to him and he gives his testimony, I think you will understand why. 00:00 - Start. 01:16 - Addressing confirmed data points in the investigation and what doesn't add up. 23:51 - My interview with Mitch and what he saw at Fort Huachuca. 01:10:13 - Comments. ​​​​​​​PreBorn!​​​​​​​ Donate securely by calling 855-601-2229 or by visiting https://preborn.com/candace The Wellness Company​  Stay ahead of sickness this winter with the Medical Emergency Kit. Visit www.twc.health/candace and use code CANDACE to Save $45 Off + Free Shipping. USA Residents Only 🇺🇸 ​​​​​Tax Network USA​​  ​ Don’t let the IRS be the first to act. Visit http://www.tnusa.com/candace or call 1-800-958-1000 for your FREE discovery call with Tax Network USA. American Financing​   ​​ NMLS 182334, http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.196% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-795-1210 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Owens. Nimi Skincare​​ Save 10% on your order with promo code CANDACE10 at http://www.NimiSkincare.com Candace Official Website: https://candaceowens.com Candace Merch: https://shop.candaceowens.com Candace on Apple Podcasts: https://t.co/Pp5VZiLXbq Candace on Spotify: https://t.co/16pMuADXuT Candace on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/RealCandaceO Candace en Español: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnEspanol Candace Owens em Português: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensemPortugues Candace Owens en Français: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnFrançais Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and hard about whether to bring on the eyewitness from Fort Wachuka. And I think when we speak to him today and he gives you his testimony, you will, of course, understand why. I am always honored to have any person that serves in our military, especially honored to have him given all that he has lived through, despite the firestorm that I know that both he and I are about to endure. Welcome back to Candice. Okay, so a couple of things before we get into that interview. I at the top of the show first want to tell you about this interesting question that I received yesterday from one of our viewers over on X that I wanted to. address. He asked me specifically if I saw black plastic fragmentation over the floor of Charlie's

SUV. I was immediately struck by this question because I am not kidding. When I tell you that the very first thing that I noticed when I went through those photos of Charlie's SUV, I said to my team and it looked like there were shards of glass, like tempered glass that you might see if you drop or break an iPhone. It was very distinct to me in the picture from the blood that is all over the seats and all over the floor. I was like, oh, maybe like someone broke a window or something and then I sort of put it out of my mind. And particularly, I noticed a lot of it spread across that back, back seat, rear floor. So I'm going to show you that just a couple of photos of that close up so that you can see it, what that looks like because, yeah, it was just kind of a

compelling thing that he noticed something that I noticed. And you can see it was unusual. I think in this person's mind they, the line that they were going down, I guess the line of questioning that they were going down in their own mind was, is this evidence that something broke on Charlie, could something have been rigged? And I want to say that we can't necessarily extrapolate that from what we're looking at. It could be a thousand other things. Somebody could have actually broken a phone in there. Somebody could have had something in there. It could be broken hard candy. I mean, there's a lot going on. And yeah, but I did want to address that because it was. interesting that he noted it and asked if we saw a little black bits. And I do. That is visually what I see. I am hesitant, by the way, to put up the rest of the photos, kind of still going through that. I want to be slow on that because obviously I don't want the federal officers, the good guys that are in there who have assisted in this to be rumbled, right? I don't want people cash to go on a hunt and figure out who gave us what and people to start getting fired. We need to have the white nights in government. So I just need some time to think about that.

And yeah, anyways, what we can do, however, and what we're starting to formulate now are just addressing these data points, right? These mysterious circumstances, these things that don't necessarily make sense. What do we actually know about that day? And what's really interesting for me is when I review these data points, I can't fathom how there are people out there right now trying to convince you that there is overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson committed this crime. There's actually no, there's no evidence outside of these shady messages that are not even time-stamped. We don't have a confession from him. We have nothing.

Okay. So these are just some data points for you to remember as we go through this. The surgeon never confirmed or even suggested that Charlie was shot with a 30-odd-6 or that Charlie had a steel neck that stopped that bullet. Rather, he suggested throughout the course of a conversation that maybe a frangible bullet was used. The loan confirmed eyewitness that we have that is confirmed to the alleged shooter on Losey Center rooftop before the sound goes off. The sound of a shot rings out has not been contacted by the lawyers or the investigators on either side of this trial, the pending trial. We are now in the phase where investigators are supposed to go out and be collecting more evidence, the may probable cause hearing, he still has not been contacted.

And why is that crucial? Because this individual is an instructor at a gun range. He claims the weapon that he saw looked more like a 223, quote, something shorter than the one that they found. The person that he observed was wearing what seemed to him to be black tactical gear plus a face mask. And he describes that person as looking like a professional. the bomb dogs were unable to locate the weapon in the field where it was eventually discovered despite the fact that they had crawled over that area

they just weren't on their game that day this is now my favorite part of the story it's just a little I just didn't expect the reaction to be what it was I just love the people that are like no this is no we are done with the fed slop instead what happened was federal agents directed local officers

to the weapon Lucky feds, lucky feds. The canines were not provided with the scent of the weapon once it was discovered. So they did not then take that weapon and then have the dogs trace it back to the top of Lossie. That did not happen. Terrell Farnsworth, still major question marks. He raced to remove the camera that was directly behind Charlie's head. I want to tell you, by the way, I'm reading myself into this, so not a data point.

But in my mind, when I imagine why he might have done that, I think it's because, they were going to go with this story that a 30-od six hit Charlie Kirk and what debunked that obviously would be seeing that it didn't go through. There was no evidence of what should have been a tremendous amount of damage done to his neck.

I also want to say here because I've heard that various people like Terrell are getting death threats. Obviously, if you're watching this show, we are investigating what happened with Charlie Kirk. I have been clear of it. I do believe that there are some people that are engaged in a cover-up.

I am never giving anybody the permission to, you know, go be a bandit and go outside and take the law into your own hands. That's not what we should ever be doing and engaging in. Next, data point that we have. Federal agents prevented the surgeon from returning to his operating room. I told you that was something that startled him and he placed a call presumably to D.C. to make them move because he wanted, obviously, the team to get back in there to clean it, to make sure that Charlie could get cleaned up before Erica came. in. Federal agents removed the hospital surveillance footage. They're on a manhunt. And for some reason, that seemed like something that they should do. That strikes me as tremendously odd. We have that the vehicle in which Charlie was transported to Timpanagos or Timpanagos Hospital was not impounded by law enforcement. It's very odd. And there were multiple sets of prints on the weapon that was found, something that I did not share with you, but I did know this for some time. And I can confirm this to you because that's one of their things. They got the prints of Tyler Robinson on this

gun. There were multiple sets of prints that were on the gun that was recovered thanks to the instincts of the feds and not the noses of the dogs. And finally, and I think this is a big thing, the footage of Tyler Robinson turning himself in is apparently missing. And I have told you guys, and again, I'm reading myself into this. And in my investigation, I found that their entire story about how the parents turned him in and did the right thing is crap. It is BS. That's not what happened. They were told either, you know, these doors are going to get broken down or you're going to come in peacefully.

And Tyler chose the latter. I also was told by police officers that were there when he came into the police that they were told not to look at him. They were told to avoid cameras. Very strange things that happened when he did eventually. come in and we won't know how strange because apparently the footage is missing according to local Utah news that they they didn't say FOIA there's another term was a gamma requested for that footage and we're basically told well now there's been an expiration on that footage and we don't have it so maybe they just mean they already handed over to investigators

I don't know but we will wait and see that's a lot that is going on I want to pivot now because our instincts, which they keep mocking us over, I think are on the money. We're going to talk now about Christianity. Christianity. I'm putting that in quotation marks because it has been on this podcast a recurring theme, right? I keep sensing, A, that these pastors are dangerous, right?

I've covered extensively how even just amongst the cavalry chapel in particular, there's just way too much of a habit of establishing former pedophiles and drug traffickers as lead pastors of churches. Okay, I'm not saying that people can't find God. I'm just saying that my preference would be that they maybe not be provided with access to children, right, if you committed a crime against child. This is a preference that I guess is not, or perhaps is in conflict with the beliefs and the preferences of Rob McCoy, who makes myself.

skin crawl. We showed you that interview that he did with somebody who apparently went to rampage. He actually went to prison for it and he was just sort of laundering his reputation and then gave him access again to children. I feel like that is very wrong. I have also on this show been speaking a lot about these quote unquote Christian influencers. Something's not right. A lot of women who seem to know their Bibles for almost the implicit and explicit aim of sorts of socially engineering the population, right? Telling you, oh, it's right here in the Bible. Same with the pastors. God doesn't want you to follow Tucker Carlson on Instagram. Josh Hammer is amazing. Candice is possessed by a demon. You don't want to be possessed by a demon,

so unfollow Tucker Carlson and unfollow Candice. And I promise that there is no other motivations. Candice is just crazy and you should listen to me. Similarly, there are so many conservative media companies who are run by former military intelligence, people that leave naval intelligence, people that lead them Assad, suddenly their aim is to speak about Judeo-Christian values. They find God after they leave the military. I'm not saying that that's impossible. I'm just saying that this is something that we have discussed a lot on this podcast. I have been suggesting to you all that faith has been infiltrated by the military.

And people left. They laughed. Well, you guys didn't laugh. But like, oh, what do you mean by that? Well, you guys pull up a chair because it's about to get even more interesting. Fort Wachuka, as many of you in the military have informed me, is actually an intelligence base. Now, for those of you who are ignorant like me regarding the structure of the military, this is an important distinction to make in your mind because when we think about military bases,

at least me, maybe you have the same mindset. I tend to think about where they're scrambling off the planes, off of an airbase, if there's an attack, right? Oh, quickly. Jump into your planes and get into the air or maybe get into the sea. It just requires an immediate response. But that is not what Fort Huachuca in Arizona is. Okay. It is a hub for intelligence training. Civilians can be turned into intelligence assets on this base. They can take horses to join the intelligence community. Okay. Just giving you one example of an email that I got, quote, just FYI, Fort Huachuka is where soldiers go. their MIT courses. That is Army military intelligence. Once a soldier has finished basic training, they go here for their advanced training for their actual job in Army military intelligence. End quote. Okay. Now, among the many emails that I received regarding what sort of intelligence courses take place, I was absolutely floored when a person who grew up and lives just outside

of the base in Sierra Vista told me something. I'm going to recount the story. to you. And I'm going to paraphrase a little bit of this so that I protect their identity. Basically, their story begins in May of 2013. They are two recently baptized Christians. Like I said, they grew up in this area, Sierra Vista, and they decided that they were going to pour their savings into starting a gym. Now, of course, because it's a gym that's located off base, they had a lot of clientele who happened to be associated with the base. And one such client was a woman that they met, a couple that they met, that were on fire for the board, right? That couple made a sizable investment in their gym and became quote unquote

founding members. Okay. So the gym owners were drawn to this couple because they were so bold in their face. They were like, I loved the bold proclamation of their faith and we thought this is great. This is going to work. They accept money from them. So you can imagine that they were then completely surprised and shocked when this couple, over time, effectively staged something akin to a hostile takeover of their company, undermining them while pretending to be their friends, going behind their backs, propositioning other gym members. I'm going to be clear here. This is obviously allegedly. I'm going to say allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly here. The couple almost lost everything in the process, and they had to start all over again. Now, what was once the fastest growing

gym in Sierra Vista suddenly they were forced to relocate and downsize their company entirely. So now it's 2015. They are in their new smaller location of a gym. And I'm going to read this next portion of the email that I received verbatim. Again, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, because he names an individual who I do not know. I've never heard of this individual, but I feel it is relevant because I'd like to learn more. The email continues. quote, we were struggling, sometimes barely making rent, but still serving the community, including military students who came through for four to six month training courses. Okay?

I'm going to stress that again. We've got all of these students that are coming in and their training is lasting between four to six months. They're signing up for this gym. Back into the quotation. One morning, I noticed a female military member lingering after class. She was visibly distressed. So I kept the gym open longer than usual to give her space to talk.

we ended up conversing for about 45 minutes and what she shared with me has stuck with me ever since. She said, she, quote, could not take it anymore. When I asked for details, she explained that her stress was coming from a class that she was taking on Fort Wachuka,

taught by none other than Bruce Bevins. My ears perked up when I heard his name as I immediately remembered the incident with his wife. This young woman described Bruce as, quote, the most evil man that she had ever met. she then revealed something that I wasn't expecting at all.

The class's objective was to teach military personnel to infiltrate Christian groups and organizations through covert psychological operations. The training focused specifically on deceiving Christians. At the time, I didn't fully connect the dots. Our gym was and still is an openly Christian faith-based organization, but looking back now, I have to wonder if the infiltration and the destruction of our gym was actually a training exercise or field assignment. I also wonder if the distressed young soldier was sent to our gym on assignment from Bruce, but couldn't follow through with her objectives and instead

chose to confide in me. There were other students who will corroborate this type of training, two military students, both named Blank and Blank, I'm redacting that, passed through our gym during this same period. They shared similar stories but seemed much more advanced in their training. On one occasion after I asked what was so funny in the back of my class, they privately share that they had just returned from an overnight field training mission with very little sleep. Their objective had been to deceive civilians in Tucson about an hour north of us. They practiced at local bars and public venues on unsuspecting people, telling lies, remembering those lies, and maintaining their false personas without, quote-unquote, breaking character.

They laughed about their conquests while working out at our gym. Now, I got the impression that their deception sometimes extended to sexual encounters with their targets. At the time, I found this disturbing, but I did not know what to make of it. Now, 12 years later, and watching a situation unfold with Charlie Kirk and learning that some of his most trusted people may have been trained operatives who infiltrated Turning Point USA, these memories suddenly seemed significant. You mentioned previously that there was a strange military background connection among some of the people involved. I am now wondering if instructors like Bruce Bevin trained some of these individuals before they infiltrated Christian organizations like Turning Point

USA. End quote. now I obviously cannot confirm just yet I'm sure after the show we're going to get a bunch of emails the allegations against Bruce again I have never heard of this individual what I can say to you is on a guttural level I feel this is accurate I do it is what I have noticed it's what I've been pointing to you all year many of these pastors are behaving like operatives and many of these Christian influencers are behaving like operatives and I keep telling you that all roads including the Egyptian, here Israeli, planes, lead to the front door of Turning Point USA Faith.

I kept saying something, when faith suddenly infiltrated and something happened to this organization. And I feel this email is a big piece of the puzzle. Okay. So if you played a part in these exercises on Fort Huachuca base where you were learning instructions about how to be a good little Christian to infiltrate and potentially to overthrow a Christian organization. And maybe you're having some second thoughts about your soul and you'd like to speak to me about it off record. Please email more tips at candace Owens.com. And I would also like you all to remember that we suddenly have been experiencing wall-to-wall panic ever since

we mentioned Fort Huachuca. You saw this. It's great. I mean, the articles right now now are unhinged. They are just doing fiction. The panic button was pressed when we mentioned Fort Huachuca in the alleged meeting that happened on the morning of September 9th. So we're going to get into that. By the way, for those of you that thought that this person was making it up, he was apparently not familiar with metadata. I don't think he was. And he had not sent me the photos that he took that morning on the base. So he tells a story. I stepped outside. I got coffee. Well, because he thought he was going to write, and I'm laughing here, going to, like, write the wrong of his past. He was sort of documenting himself while he was on the base. So he sends me over

all this stuff. And I literally was able to confer with the metadata where he was exactly what time it was and see the background, obviously. And it's just a fact, okay? It's just a fact that this happened. He was there. I was also able to establish it because, like, now this is like beyond a reasonable doubt now. When we get back after this brief break from our sponsors, we are going to bring on, and this is his new name, Mitch. I've told you about who he believes he stumbled upon in that meeting, and I think that we need to focus on that. And you may learn more. I know I certainly did. We'll be right back after a brief break. All right, you guys, when they double down on abortion, you know that we have to double down on supporting

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call 1,800-958-1,000, or visit TNUSA.com slash Candice for your free discovery call with Tax Network USA. Again, that's TNUSA.com slash Candice. What can I say other than the fact that I do just feel on a spiritual level that we have been infiltrated? I'll ask a broader question, are all of our lives a bit like the Truman Show? do we have essentially a cast of characters who are performing and pretending and this is what kind of made everybody go crazy after the Turning Point USA event where Tucker asked the question, where does this guy's money come from? I mean, obviously Barry Weiss is one of these actors. This is clearly an act. You obviously are not intelligence. You obviously are not sub-journalist that works their way up and broke some important stories. You are obviously an intelligent. You are obviously an intelligence. You obviously are. App, and not so intelligent op, like are all, are we living in the Truman Show? Are we all going to work thinking that we can climb a ladder when in reality these people are just selected and given certain, there's supposed to be certain characters. You're supposed to pretend like you're a head of a tech company and you're supposed to be super weird and quirky. I'm going to cast you into that role and they're going to call you a genius and you're supposed to pretend that you're this super financial guru like a Jeffrey. Epstein and we're going to put you the head of a finance company. You know, you have no background

in this. That's kind of the theme that I'm seeing. Anyways, I don't want to waste too much more time because I do want to bring on Mitch, who apparently has what I would describe as, I don't know if it's the best or the worst luck ever in life, stumbling upon the feds when they're maybe up to no good. Mitch, welcome to my podcast. It's so great to have you here. I'm doing very well. I obviously, you know the story of how I instantly got the email from one of your friends that just said, you should call Mitch after I prayed and said, I'm missing a piece of this. Please, God, give me a piece of this story.

And the first email I see when I get back from church on a day of holy obligation is this email. And so, Mitch, my audience is up to date on what happened to you when you were 20 years old. and I'm wondering if you can just sort of briefly recap in case I got some things wrong. Oh, wow, briefly recap 35 years, sure. Yeah, we were part of a mission going down to down to the border of JTF6, assigned from 10th Mountain. Previously, there had been a Marine Corps unit there. Apparently, they had an incident. We had to replace them.

and they wanted a less, less kinetic unit to be involved. So we went down there in a matter of a few days, you know, I was the youngest guy on the team. And for the first few days, I got assigned to have to, you know, do the hard work of putting in the sensors and following one of the board patrol who was on a, he was on horseback, got to learn a little bit about picking up signs in the desert, stuff like that while we were placing these sensors down it took a few days um i think we put in like

80 sensors or so along the border and uh we were getting some they thought it was some glitch signals coming back um being that i had just gone through the course i had the most updated information and um what we realized is they weren't uh they weren't glitched signals uh that these people being sent out for it was subterranean and once when I got pulled back to the JTF 6 headquarters they were in discussions of of trying to remove the army in case your viewers don't understand when units get put together like this especially this mission there's a lot of content even to this day between the Army and Border Patrol and who gets to take credit and who gets to stay, who gets to go. And back then, the Border Patrol, I think they just wanted us out of their hair.

So they were having some sort of a big meeting and a big do not disturb meeting. and I got assigned to the skeleton crew to sit back on the SMS, excuse me, the receiver. And I was looking at the data while the skeleton crew of the Border Patrol was left there with me as well. And he was giving me a bad time about the Army equipment and how they were being sent out for no reason. he kept giving me a bad time about it so uh we were looking at the data and we started discussing things and and i brought up the fact that you know you know i asked if there was any subways or something like that around and between the two of us the lightboat went on that uh yeah it was a yeah it was an underground tunnel and within minutes we could triangulate the uh

triangulate the signals and be able to pinpoint location and that's the information i got to hand off so no i didn't you know like go on the raid itself um handing that information off was was the probable cause they needed to be able to go get a warrant go to the location um and also communicate with the mexican authorities on the other side to uh perform a raid and yeah that's what that's what happened now you're thinking amazing we have found the biggest cartel tunnel there had never been one bigger previously discovered i presume maybe there had been i'm and there i don't know i'm just i'm going to become a hero baby you're thinking this is going to be great and the exact opposite thing is true and it's because they eventually find

pictures of, well, was it an American lieutenant colonel who exactly? Sorry, I know you told me this. Was it a colonel? One of the commanders that was with the Border Patrol was actually posed with a photo that was found on the Mexican side

after the tunnel apparently had been built along with other Mexican military and U.S. military. So there had been some collaboration. Prior to us getting there, there had been some a lot of suspicion that the federal government knew that 80 percent, I think it was 60 to 80 percent of the cocaine was coming through the Douglas Arizona area. That's basically region six or that's why they called it JTF six. So they knew all the cocaine is coming through this one area um but the local authorities back then you know came up with shrugs like you know oh we just

don't see where it's coming from so they suspected there was some uh there was some you know compromise of of officials down there um so yeah we we went to work and it didn't take us long to pinpoint this um so when they recovered that data and they recovered the photos Obviously, they had some of the top names of who was helping out on the U.S. side to help build the tunnel and also keep it functioning for at least six months, judging by the date on the photo. So I just wanted to ask you, your attachment to, because I'm trying to figure out why you're going to then go back to Fort Wachuka, is that where you were initially trained? Yeah, I was. Yeah. Okay, so you were initially trained in Fort Huachuca, but then ends up happening is they put you, you're basically, you're not allowed to talk. You just get gagged for, is it 25 years the gag order lasted while they destroyed every layer of your life, fed your name to the cartels. You've been on the run. You've had to change your name. Your family is now in debt. You've been fighting lawsuits trying to get the government to, I guess, defend you against the cartel gangs. And clearly they're angry because you stepped on their toes.

it looks like. I think that's a fair depiction of what happened here, which we are learning more and more how corrupt. And I think the CIA was created to traffic, to be clear. That's my opinion there. But you, they effectively destroyed your life and gagged you in the process. Is that a fair assessment of what happens next? Yeah, it is. I could probably go into some detail that while we down there you know i got to uh got the honor of incinerating all the uh it was about a ton of cocaine it was and a bunch of guns bunch of money um and then right afterward we went right back to work and i ended up getting approached with a friend at uh noka arizona not a friend but another board patrol agent and if it wasn't for him i was too stupid i hadn't

understand why this person was coming up or why they had personal information on me. I was a young kid. It was the board patrol agent that caught what it was about. Yeah, thank God. He knew what to do. Took me back to base and they thought it was, you know, something I did to give away my identity. So I was on base for, it was the next day that I got brought in a briefing and by that time um the photos from the mexican side had made their way to the american side and they were able to put together how my information got got fed um to the other side as far as cartels and stuff like that i you know it's just plain corruption at this point it's it's and it's thick and yeah they have followed me um there's been

I've had people come through my windows. And it's not like, I know these are, it's like fantastical stories. We got the court documents. We got the court cases. You've sent them to me. It's not just that we have those. It's that the work that was done to even try to bury those afterward.

It's pretty substantial. And yeah, I've got 20 years of this and you'd think, you know, one would think that somebody in the federal government, government would care or in any part of our government would care the more I've gone up the chain to try and you know get more of these records as well as get answers to this saga it just seems like I step on more and more toes and eventually that's what led me to going down to Fort Wachuk was just to get the original records and find out, you know, why wasn't the FBI updated as what my status was? And, you know, why has this

been allowed to, yeah, basically use our own laws against me to attack my life? I feel, I wanted answers. When I hear the story, it makes me, it makes me so angry because it's just too many people that are serving our country, only to figure out that our country is serving some other, you know, the interests of oligarchs, truly. And I think we're kind of of all coming to that moment right now and recognizing that it hasn't been left or right. It has been them, a unique gang of oligarchs and criminals that are running every aspect of our lives. And they would gladly have you die for them. And they couldn't care less. I want to pivot now. So you're, they put you, there's this gag order or, you know, non-disclosure

agreement. And it is 25 long years. And it happens to it's 35. 35. pardon me. Thirty-five years, you're told, yeah, you can suffer. The cartels can chase you, change your name, but you keep your mouth shut about it. And finally in May, this of this year, it expires, right? This gag order expires. And you say to yourself, I am going to go down to that base where I was trained. I'm going to go down to Fort Huachuca, book myself into a hotel. I'm going to go to the criminal division, the investigative division. I'm going to get that original paperwork and get some answers to why I feel that my life has been effectively ruined for me having done what I was ordered to do by the government. So you get to the base and I want you

to address this because there were so many people who were like, there's no way you could have gotten onto the base. Obviously you sent me your military cards and I think we can show a picture of that. You get onto the base and I want you to walk us through what time and I did show a timeline but about, you know, you don't have to be perfect here. We already showed a timeline. But like you get to the base and just kind of what's your general mood. And this is on September 8th, the evening of September 8th, at the Candlewood Inn and Suites, which you have given me all of a documentation for. Okay. Yeah. Getting into Tucson, there was a little bit of a issue getting the rental car and stuff. So that took a little while, a little bit of a delay. But

we made reservations ahead of time for me to be there. And yeah, I get down to the base. For those to think that people can't get on base. No, typically you can, as long as you have your ID, your insurance, and you have a purpose for being there. I certainly did. And, Spell, you can show that documentation as he's speaking. I'm sorry, go ahead. So, yeah, we made reservations, and I got to the hotel.

It was sort of hard to find, but once I found it, I sort of recognized it because it was that was actually the barracks that I had when I was there in aIT training but they converted it so yeah that was pretty cool all of a sudden staying in the same barracks um a really nice place by the way wonderful beds um but yeah I check in and as I'm doing that um you can tell that there's regular uh military people um um uh young kids that are there um um uh young kids that are there uh Probably just checking in the post, stuff like that. There were a couple people that stood out, and they're a little bit older. And as I'm checking in, one guy that was sitting on the couch, he just had a sheen to him.

Looked like he had a professional military sheen to him. If I had to guess, you know, being a special forces guy, I would have guessed that he's ex-special forces probably doing you know something down there probably contract he was definitely

waiting on something and age about just so we can get a description age you know I'd say 30

33 to 40 about there give a take you know I wasn't there to check out people or check ID cards I just happen to know

And veterans, especially SF guys, when you notice somebody like that, I almost had the impression so much so that I was going to go up and ask him what group he was with and say hi and thank him for a service. I didn't really get that chance. So as I'm checking in and then I go to my room and then come back out, he was joined and joined by a female that you can definitely tell when, I didn't put it, when people, people are well off and they're dressing down she was definitely dressing down and it was definitely dressing down and it was very well kept the one thing I noticed about the woman that really stuck out to me was was her eyes and I have an X that has caused me a lot of problems. So when I see someone with striking blue eyes like that, they stick out. And I even, I was on the phone with my wife here. And I even told her about it. I said, oh, geez, somebody has

those kind of eyes. It creep me out a little bit, you know. And it had nothing to do with that person. just you know life is what it is but as i was checking in they um i was going to go back and actually talk to that person the guy and um yeah they between me at the front desk and then going back to my room one time and then coming back out i was going to go to dinner um yeah they had gotten into uh there was a vehicle parked out front a big green truck it looked like a real shiny GSA type and yeah they were getting

into that vehicle and driving off and that night I went to dinner at some a little bit crazy that people in Sierra Vista they can probably verify there was a Mexican oh Mexican sushi place in Sierra Vista

so I got dinner and it was a pretty good place actually And then I came back and went to sleep that night, got up early the next morning, wanted to see the sunrise, reminisce about, you know, yeah, there we go. Just reminisce about having been there a long time ago. And even stopped to talk to some of the police, they tried to give me directions to see ID, but the buildings there, They are, they're sort of old World War II, and they're also built on top of the foundations of, like, almost Alamo era, rocks and stuff. And some of them aren't really well marked.

So his direction sort of led me off on a wild goose jace. And I'll interject to you while you're having a sip of water, that this is when you accidentally take a video and it's 18 minutes long while this guy's giving you directions, which you've also, you've sent a. everything over. So there's no question. You were here and everything happened because you try to document this thinking you were going to get some justice from the past. And I will let you continue telling the story. Yeah, I was there to get help. And I was really figuring some people would have a, you know, I have some answers for me. I couldn't find CID, but as I'm wandering around, I finally decided, you know, I need to be. You know, I need to get some coffee and wake up, maybe have a little breakfast.

I noticed that there's some signs there that say JTF and JTF headquarters. I went into a couple of the buildings, there was nobody there yet, so I continued on, I went and got coffee, ran into some 10th Mountain people there. They said they were there for JTF. You know, we sort of talked, I bought

him coffee, I think, for their service. they sort of I asked where there would be a headquarters that I could go to to speak to someone they tried to explain it to me I forget they gave me a building name and I don't necessarily want to we don't want to disclose that kind of stuff

but I went right back to the front gate and as I came in as they scanned me in with my ID card yeah I asked the gate guard there where would this building be and how would I get there. He gave me detailed instructions on how to get there, how to wind around to get to that building. So I did. And it was obviously a temporary setup for this new command down there.

There was no gate guard. There was, I think they did have some barbed wire around the field and the building, which made me hesitate for a second. But there was a, It was a parking lot. So I just went in and parked. I was on the phone with my missus here and told her, you know, we'll see how it goes. We'll see what they say here. And I'll call you in a few.

I ended up not being able to call it back for about seven hours. And you can be in the military for a while. you notice when there's a lot of high-ranking people around and you notice when there's a little bit of a buzz and I walked in there I didn't know if this was just a new type of arming that I haven't seen for a while but I walked up to the front desk I sort of told him what I wanted I initially talked to one captain for about five minutes and then he stepped back out he was going to go get someone. I stood there at the front, and as I did, the guy that I thought was an XSF guy, he had walked out from wherever it was, and he was sort of walking out to the front doors,

and he stood there for a while waiting. And then three more people came around, civilian dressed, and one, they looked like a congressman, had the pin, had the flag, you know congressman suit and there were a couple of people next to them and obviously they were trying to talk to them and uh they were sort of paling around um but it was also sort of serious and um some of the military lieutenant colonels there and the and the unisard major escorted them out um they got into one of the gsasas for anybody in the military that knows about GSA, it's the, they own everything in the government. Could you sorry, for those of us who don't know about this GSA, just to break it down for us,

I'm sorry to be so ignorant. What does that stand for? No. What was it? Government Services Administration or, I forget what it is. No worries. What they, they basically maintain all the property for the federal government. Okay.

Um, so if you're in the military or if you're in federal government and you need a vehicle, uh, basically you, you go to one of the GSA places. And it's like renting a vehicle at enterprise or something, but you have orders attached to it. Um, some of those vehicles there, they're reserved. Uh, at any GSA where they have VIPs that come in. For those in the know, they keep a reserve set of vehicles. And they're extra shining. They're like new off the lot. You know, their tires aren't worn very well. So they all got into one of those vehicles and they left.

The Sergeant Major came back in, him and I was teasing him about his tabs and how he didn't have his long tab. And I think he had a range of tab and airborne. No, he didn't have a range of tab. everyone he had air assault. Anyway, I was teasing him about some of that. I was supposed to go back and talk to him. I was finishing signing in when, yeah, a couple more captains came around the corners and they escorted me way out of it. They wanted to take me out of the building. I thought I was getting arrested, and I didn't know what I had done wrong. Yeah, I'd give him my name,

the missions I had been attached to. I gave them the purpose why I was there. So, and I was very polite about it. I was trying to be discreet as possible. And I had no idea what I was walking into. Obviously, you know, when congressmen are around, there's something special going on. But, yeah, they escorted me out across the parking lot to the park benches there.

and me, one of the captains there, his name was Captain Neff. Nice guy. Yeah, and I started telling him my story, what I'm telling you, and what I was there for. Yes, that's the guy. Real decent gentleman. And as we sat there, the other captain went in, was going to get the Sard Major,

and I don't know what exactly was. what happened, but before long there was a bunch of cruisers pulling up. There were police officers from different levels of the government. I couldn't tell you all the different types of law

enforcement that were there surrounding me and sort of putting up a wall between me and the front door. I did catch that there was yet another, I don't know if it was the same GSA vehicle returning or a different one, but

that did pull up to the building. I couldn't see who got in it. And it ended up sort of a big deal. They kept interrogating me, trying to gaslight me, ask me what I was there for, like I was some sort of a spy. Yeah, and then they

mentioned a bomb threat. They wanted to check my vehicle. I mentioned that because I was in special forces, obviously, I must be some sort of bond threat. And for me, I just figured, this had to be some sort of the false flagging that I've encountered from before, some sort of residual effect from that. You're just thinking, you know, this has got something to do. This has been 35 years running. The government's corrupt.

It's all about me fighting this cartel tunnel. And this is just going to be the story of my life, never getting any justice. That's what's going through your mind. at this point yeah people you know people in the government start pointing guns at me my houseman squad and stuff like that I just roll my eyes

I literally sorry I was just throwing my car keys they wanted my car keys I chucked it over I was said yeah if you don't mind park it closer because my bones are getting old and it hurts I don't want to walk that far

so sad so Captain Neff was really nice and I asked him what this was about and he tried to shrug it off and say he didn't know there was another lady that seemed to be conducting what this overreaction was and she was

in plain clothes undercover big sunglasses Hispanic woman um right you know if I had to guess probably secret service or something like that she didn't want to approach me directly she was she was directing how other people would approach me and ask me questions get my documents stuff like that eventually they said okay

we're going to take you to another location they took me to uh they finally showed me where the cid building was i guess put me in there and and they recorded me for a while um asked me a few questions and we're they were very very concerned about the next 24 hours like they wanted they wanted to make sure I don't know maybe that I wasn't there for some other purpose or related to something it was it was pretty odd they didn't answer any of the questions I was there for they didn't give me the documentation that they did give me a report number to go ahead and you you went ahead and i gave that to you you did uh we'll see what that says but um yeah they were looking for any excuse to try and um hold me up for like 24 hours

and that 24 hour number kept getting repeated uh by them and then eventually they didn't have anything to hold me i wasn't a harm to myself or others i wasn't there to you know I was spying anybody. I really just wanted to get records and get out of that desert. As reminiscent as it was, the place creeps me out a little bit. So, yeah, once they said, you have to stay out base for 24 hours, I was, don't worry about it, I ain't coming back. Got to Tucson, stayed the night there in a hotel. never got a refund on my Candlewood suites but yeah got on the plane and before we touched down I had a stop off in Salt Lake City by the time we wheeled down that you know we got the news about Charlie Kirk and of course that's been just all over the all over the

all over the news everybody's watching it and you know I don't think anybody's believing what the federal government's saying about it for sure but what I noticed

I don't know these people from TPA USA never been associated I could recognize Charlie Kirk probably but what I started seeing come across and got more familiar once i saw a picture of somebody in a ponytail with those

eyes that was that person they were there and um yeah they had of security there he was one of the people walking out with the congressman now how would i know that i i just have a gift for recognizing and people. And that, maybe it's not him. Maybe he has doppelganger.

But someone with the same mannerisms, the same crick in his neck, face, the wax you look on his face, hand gestures, shoulder shrug,

gait, approximate height, haircut, definitely walk past me. If you had to put it at a percentage, that you were looking at Brian Harpole. Maybe he's got a brother in the military, who knows, right?

Maybe he does have a doppelganger. He's got a twin brother, who knows. And I want to be clear, I can confirm on this podcast live, every step of your story in terms of where you went, what time you were there, that there was this big meeting that happened. I've confirmed the location

with other people that are on Fort Huachuca currently. I can confirm everything with metadata. I obviously can't confirm that you saw who you say. you saw. If you had to put it at a percentage that you saw Brian Harpole, what percentage would you put it at? 95%. 95%? 99. I mean, when I saw him, you know, on the interview with his face and gestures, I, yeah, with that photo, it struck me in my gut. I blew it off until there was

you know some other pictures that came up with other people what other people other pictures if you want me to say there's a picture of Erica Kirk with a ponytail and from from her past

that person matches who I saw at Fort Wachuka in the lobby the night before and she was with that with that man in the lobby and that man he was present at that meeting

the next morning if you had to put it at a percentage that you saw that the girl in the ponytail matches the description of Erica Kirk what percentage would you put that at?

Those are really rare eyes that's 9599% I can't imagine somebody else okay so what I'm going to say because obviously that's very explosive and it's one of the reasons why I wanted I wasn't sure if I wanted to have you on I'm going to be honest with you because I gosh I mean I guess I'll tell you the conflict that I had

and just be just as honest with you as I is you are being with me. The first thing was, I can't confirm it, right? I can confirm where you were. I can do all of that. But I can't confirm what you think you saw. I don't know you. I don't know. There are people like my husband who we can see someone once and he recognizes that person 10 years later exactly where we saw them and there are people like me and I kind of have facial blindness until I meet someone three times. The second thing was I didn't want people to wrongly extrapolate things and say, okay, well, maybe she was on the base. Maybe there's a chance she wasn't on the base, that she has a doppelganger.

People do have doppelgangers. I have doppelgangers, right? Well, let's say she was in the base. Let's say you're right. And you saw her, this is the night before. This is on the 8th. Maybe she was in the hotel, but maybe she was there for a different reason.

Maybe she was there because she's always been open about the fact that her mother moved to Arizona because she got involved with the military. So that could be totally unrelated to the meeting that took place on the 9th. And I didn't want to, but then I said to myself, I am, this man,

lived through so much. You know what I mean? This man has lived through so much. And I would be turning my back on this, really a hero, discovering the cartels who's lived through so much and has been treated like the government. And then I struggled with my own soul going, I'm turning my back on him because I'm afraid of backlash for allowing him to tell the truth. And so, and my soul was in conflict. And I decided that, you know what, I am not, this is not my platform, okay? I genuinely believe this is God's platform. I am a conduit. I don't know why I have a platform. And I don't know why you have this luck in life. I really don't. I don't know why these things happened to you or why they happened to me. But I know that my prayer was very intentional that night, that I received that

email. So I'm going to allow the internet to hear your testimony, hear what you think. And I also want to show them a picture because we did look through some congressmen and I didn't tell you where they were congressmen from, but there is one that you thought looked familiar. And I am going to show that picture of him now. This is, and Skyler, someone's got to get in my air because I'm blanking on his name. Mark Amodi. Is that right? Mark Amodi from Las Vegas.

And you thought that this could potentially be the congressman that you saw on the ninth? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What percentage? That's one that walked close to me. to you. That's 95. I'm absolutely, you know, after I've looked at it, that's, yeah, that was definitely the guy. Okay. Now, we have then been able to look at flights and look at who could have been at that meeting. We were able to confirm, based on a call sign, that there was

somebody heavy duty that was at Fort Wachuka, Air Base, Fort Wachuka, pardon, on that morning, who made sure to turn off their transponder. we are the clues the picture is coming together that you saw what you saw and that call sign did change at a certain time which lets us know that then it could have been moved to a congressman there could be a chance that that person they were blocking you from seeing when they all lined up might have been someone that is it could be cash patel i mean i have it could be cash patel i mean i have it could be cash patel that's someone who could have a call sign even running ideas it could also not be him uh and i want to be clear i do think you saw i think i think that is the reason they

surrounded you was to make sure you couldn't see he was walking out. I think your instincts are right on that. And I don't know what to say other than I know what you are going to go through now. And I want you to know that you have an ally with me. And I know how much you are already going through fighting them. And I intend to help you raise money to go through these lawsuits with the federal government. I know this is not easy. I know what your kid has been through. I know what your wife has been through and no one should have to be through this. I have to go through this because they told the truth and potentially stumbled upon something corrupt, did definitively stumbled upon something corrupt. And I think the public will be with you because they see what

I'm going through right now being sued by a transatlantic president overseas for just trying to tell the truth. And I just want you to know that. Like I know that this is hard for you and given everything you've been through. But like I am here with you. I'm going to going to fundraise money for you, and I'm here for you and your family through whatever comes next. Oh, boy, that's really wonderful. I, um, I've told you, thank you. I'd like to see justice.

I'd like to see our, I'd like to see our government being honest again or some, some level. I don't know why I was there or why I got to see what. I did or how I happened to walk in on something. I wasn't there to, you know, obviously I didn't know what was going to happen the next 24 hours. It seems coincidental that that was the number they kept bringing up and whatever they were doing. It was important and they didn't want anybody looking at it and, okay, the military

does that stuff. That's what they do. I, thank you. you know for everything but really after hearing some of the other stuff hearing about some of the threats against you and i and i do i watch some of the other podcasters ball holla um really good guy even if he he gave me a bunch of a bunch of crap about stuff um fellow brother there from first group um no he he had uh when he interviewed the french foreign legion he and he got to learn a little bit about sometimes how in the intelligence world how things cross over and other countries are a little bit dirtier and they borrow resources from us for which is one of those places they would have to have done that and when I I had I had to pray myself and beyond I tried to I just wanted to give I just wanted to give you a tip since you're pulling on

these threads. And I had no idea that you were going to do all this. I want you to know, there were literally 51,000 emails unanswered in that box. And I went to church and I prayed and I said, give me something. And I was the first, just like I said to you, I mean, what did I call four minutes after the email was sent? And it was actually me. I didn't send it to like my producer. I was just like, hey, maybe, maybe this is it. And I can't help but to see God in that and not, you know, God as in people being trained in intelligence to make us think that everything is holy, but rather truly I saw God in that. And yeah, it just, it's stunning.

It's hard not to see God in something like that happening in that order. So I don't know what comes next by just want you know that, like, you have an ally me and I will, I hope you see that I am a fighter. And when I see good people and bad things happen to them, I will fight, and same for the people that watch this podcast, they are fighters as well. So, and they've had my back, and they will have your back. I promise you that. I really appreciate that. There are a lot of people in the military who, we see things. I'm sure there's people down at Fort Huachuca and other places that have seen things.

And there's a lot of people that stay quiet, to stay nice to, you know, not be in conflict. I had to pray. This doesn't help. This doesn't help my situation at all. It's going to aggravate it. I'm absolutely sure. But the truth matters. And that's why we wanted to send this up to you.

We had no idea. All of a sudden, you'd be calling us. That was, you really interrupted our gym time, by the way, and we really need it. typically I try to lap things off quite a bit but things are getting quite serious and I think Baron Coleman he gets it um keep pulling those threads and I hope you stay safe and same to you and like I said I'm going to put together a fundraiser for you um you know imminently so and this is obviously it's just the first conversation we're having uh I just want to thank you from the bottom my heart, not just for sharing what happened. And I do believe you are missing piece of this.

I also want to thank you for your service. I want to thank you for trying to do what our government should be doing, which is stopping the cartels and not partnering with them. And so, just thank you for your military service and all that you've gone through. Thank you, Ms. Holmes. Thank you, Candace. Thank you. We will be. We will be. Thank you, guys. We will be right back, you guys. I'm going to let Mitch sign off here, and then I will answer some of your questions after some sponsors. Good news, you guys. The Fed dropped rates for the fourth time this year, and if you're a

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and support a brand that actually stands for something this Christmas season. Well, you guys, this is normally the part of the show where I push things that I am selling on the website. But what I'm going to say to you instead is that I will get together a give-send go for Mitch and his family. Like I said, I've seen illegal paperwork. They've endured hell. They've endured hell.

And he's been enduring that hell because he did his job. It sickens me. Our government sickens me. People telling me that I need to worry about midterms when there's just so much corruption that is happening and good men that are being persecuted while bad men are being protected. So I wanted to just basically say that if you look out on my socials, I'll make sure that I get a fundraiser out for Mitch and his family. And hopefully we can help them with some of the legal costs that they have endured. Curbster writes, We stand behind you, Mitch and your family

just as much as we stand behind Oh, we stand behind you Mitch And your family just as much as we stand behind Candace Thank you for your service And continued bravery And resolved despite our government Not doing the same for you May God continue to protect you

And use you to reveal the truth That's very, I'm sorry That's going to make them cry I know that they were in tears From all the message of support that they got the first time around When I just shared their story. Madeline writes

Thank you, Candace, for keeping me saying these last hundred or so days. I still cannot believe that Charlie is not among us, but thank you for trying to find who really did this to him and for helping us all get through it. Like I said, this feels like there's nothing more important than getting to the bottom of this because the implications are so far reaching. And for me, it is, I just have, I don't care about politics anymore. I just don't care. And I do believe that our government was involved in this. Our government is involved in the cover up. And the people, that would have to okay that would be the very people that Charlie fought for. He fought for them to get into office, sleepless nights fighting for those people to be in office. And so like I said over and over again, I don't care about your midterms. I just don't care about your midterms. I want to know who killed Charlie Kirk. And I want to know why. I want to know why he had to die. Martin Box writes, thank you for being my compass throughout the last few months and helping me to gauge right from wrong. Christ is king. Indeed, Christ is king. Bitsy Ficarino writes, I recognize the psychological religious operation going on since Trump was elected. It's been wild to watch. Christ called us

to be peace bakers. I would like to help with Preborn. I'm in Arizona and I'm also an ultrasound tech. They will know us by our love. Please reach out to Preborn. They do fantastic work and you are right to recognize that. They were also gaslighting us about that. And I was saying like there are so many of these people that have very high up military and military connections who are have these platforms and all they do is they focus on the Bible and I'm telling you there's something wrong. There's just something that is wrong and you can kind of see the mask slip now because these people purport to care about what happened to Charlie and the easiest thing is to demand truth and instead they're protecting people like Josh Hammer. It's just like an obviously bad person. He lied and

they'll go out of their way to protect those individuals. That's a psychological operation. That's not the truth. And it's actually in many ways the most sadistic of all psychological operations because what they're doing is they are asserting themselves as we are the most literate in scripture so we can tell you whether or not your soul is going to be condemned if you listen to this person or you don't listen to this person it is it makes me sick like i said i hold the most contempt for those that hold up the bible as they criticize people knowing fully well that they could care less by what's in the bible and they just want to take swipes and attack somebody and feel justified in doing it It's so, it's so arrogant.

And I think it's also tremendously evil because there are people that follow you and they are true Christians. Namare Valimar writes, those who have been watching every single episode would not abandon ship, do not lose hope, but place your trust in Christ alone.

The Holy Spirit will bring discernment. That is true. And I think that's what this has been the story of. We all have spiritual discernment, right? We are feeling things on a spiritual level and we are having people that think they can replace our spirit with garbage and just like,

well, enough of us. will say this and then it will be true. We'll just keep saying Tyler Robinson. We'll just keep saying the evidence is overwhelming and we'll somehow hijack the spirit. And this time we're saying no. Ivan writes, the more haters, the more we know that you are on track, go, Max, Candice. Again, guys, I'm going to jump off because we are over time here, but you will be hearing more for me on my socials. I will put up a give send go for Mitch and his family. We will obviously be giving in a big capacity. And I hope that you guys will join me in doing that. We'll see you tomorrow.