Candace - EXCLUSIVE: Kash Patel Dances Around Israelis On 9/10. | Candace Ep 258

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Jumping back into the investigation because I have some INCREDIBLY interesting updates for you about a country that is “only the size of New Jersey”. In other news, we have some interesting data points to add to our timeline regarding the McCoys. 00:00 - Start. 01:01 - The McCoy succession plan. 20:07 - Exclusive news on Israeli cell phones. 27:17 - Midterm elections push. 32:30 - Tucker goes on Dave Smith to address backlash. 41:51 - Comments. PreBorn! Donate securely by calling 855-601-2229 or by visiting https://preborn.org/candace Fatty15 Fatty15 is on a mission to optimize your C15 levels to help support your long-term health and wellness -especially as you age. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to http://fatty15.com/CANDACE and using code CANDACE at checkout. Tax Network USA Call 800-958-1000 or visit http://TNUSA.com/CANDACE to talk to a real expert at Tax Network USA. Take the pressure off. Let Tax Network USA handle your tax issues. American Financing NMLS 182334, http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-795-1210 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Owens. Candace Official Website: https://candaceowens.com Candace Merch: https://shop.candaceowens.com Candace on Apple Podcasts: https://t.co/Pp5VZiLXbq Candace on Spotify: https://t.co/16pMuADXuT Candace on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/RealCandaceO Candace en Español: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnEspanol Candace Owens em Português: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensemPortugues Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You know I love me a timeline. So let's jump back in. Welcome back to Candace. Do you know that moment when your subconscious kind of meets your conscious? Like you just suddenly your subconscious is storing all this information and it's maybe flagging something for you that's a little weird, but you haven't come to realize it yet. And then all of a sudden, the information breaks the surface and you're like, aha, I got it.

I didn't even realize with that thing that happened a long time ago was a little bit weird. And suddenly you're behaving like Dory, the bluefish from the movie Finding Nemo when she remembers the P. Sherman address from Australia. You guys know that moment. Take a watch. So, Shirene, Sydney. P. Sherman 42, Wolladleyway, Sydney. That's why I say I pay attention to my dreams. I don't care. Who has to laugh at me about it? And there was. That is how it works. Never ignore your subconscious. That's why I say, pay attention to my dreams. I don't care who has to laugh at me about it. And there was. this little something that flagged in the back of my mind as odd in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination, one of these things that might seem small, but it's always the small details

that help to paint the broader and bigger picture, right? Elle Woods in the movie Legally Blonde, she was absolutely correct when she said that people who work out have endorphins and happy people don't kill their husbands. Anyway, the thing that I realize is that Mikey McCoy, the chief of staff of Turning Point USA, Mikey McCoy, for whatever reason, he always requires an adjective. Whenever they discuss Mikey McCoy, there's an adjective before they say his name, a bunch of people in the Turning Point USA orbit described Mikey McCoy in this very unique manner. I want you to take a listen to that. Let me tell you who the heroes were in this whole thing. We're going to start with 23-year-old

Mikey McCoy. And that's when the great Mikey McCoy showed up. And my husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy. My friend Mikey McCoy, the brilliant 24-year-old, who at the time when Charlie was shot was 23 and was a hero that day. I used to be known as Charlie Kirch's pastor, now I'm known as Mikey McCoy's dad. He clicked into gear eventually. It was amazing. Mikey was a heroic figure on that day. Amazing, heroic. He was brilliant. It stood out to me really because it's only Mikey that they moved to do it for.

And objectively speaking, okay, I don't care what your experience in life is, I would not move to insist that someone was quote unquote heroic for walking away from their friend after he was shot. Okay? I just wouldn't, that wouldn't be the adjective. that came to my mind, heroic. I also don't feel the need ever to qualify any of my friends

with an adjective. Think about how strange it would be if on this show every time I cover Tucker Carlson, I was like, the spectacular Tucker Carlson. The breathtaking Tucker Carlson is under attack in this moment. You'd be like, why are you doing that?

Why do I feel like you're trying to program me? This only made me more interested in Mikey and the McCoy story and I want to be super clear here. No innuendo. I don't think that I know that Mikey McCoy did not kill Charlie Kirk. We watch him in those moments.

But it's also becoming pretty apparent to me that the stage was being set for Mikey to become the new Charlie. In fact, on stage at the memorial event for Charlie and elsewhere, they were trying to prime the public for that plausibility, almost like it was this psychological operation, nod to Rob McCoy and his family lineage, to see Mikey as capable of filling Charlie's. shoes. Take a listen. Let me tell you something about Mikey. Mikey's been with Charlie for several years. He's 23 years old. He is wise beyond his years. And when that tragedy struck, Mikey was an absolute hero who kept everybody calm and did some of the most mundane things you would think you would need to do on the worst day of his life. And he continues to be a rock. He's been following Jesus for a long time. I'm hoping that Mikey one day will follow in Charlie's footsteps right to the college

campus because he has the ability, the demeanor, the grace, the knowledge to do so. Set an example for the believers in speech and conduct and love, in faith, and in purity. Our speaker today, Mikey McCoy, has done that. his path was pretty much like Charlie Kirk's path. Pretty much like Charlie Kirk's path. And he's got the grace and the wits and everything. It's amazing, okay? And if you're wondering why we also included Erica

saying the amazing Mikey McCoy in her first speech, it's because Rob McCoy oddly refers back to Erica's speech when he has asked specifically what he believes Mikey's future is going to be at Turning Point USA. say. He's going to start, you're going to see, he's going to answer a question. The show is faith, the faith forward show. And he starts to answer the question, but then he sort of cuts himself off and he trails into a different topic, almost as if he catches himself. Take a listen. And then Mikey specifically, like, how he's going to kind of fit into that picture. Because when I'm

seeing him speak, man, I'm like, dude, this, Mikey is going to have a humongous role within this organization. So Charlie was an avid journaler, journaler, very avid. And, when Erica started opening up his journals after he was killed, she started reading, Charlie had a plan all the way through 2028, written out. Written out. I mean, there's an order of succession and so when she comes out and she says the amazing, I think she said the amazing Mikey McCoy. Mike and this is one of the things I would share with Mikey. I'd share with Charlie and I learned from Steve Smotherman, and Pastor Steve Smotherman said it, Charlie. In a, where you're a public figure, you have very little private, privacy.

That was weird, right? That's a weird way to try to answer that question. What's he doing there? Is he trying to make us believe, but not explicitly state, but kind of explicitly state, or maybe implicitly state that Charlie's future, or rather, Mikey, McCoy's future was written by Charlie in one of these journals. That's what I was picking up. That's what I feel like he was throwing down. Let me know if I'm crazy, but that was a weird way to answer. And he's like, so when Eric comes out and she says the amazing Mikey McCoy, he talks

about the journals, what's going on here? Now, I'm going to give you some data points to back this up. Now, I maintain that the wonderful Mikey McCoy doesn't strike me as intrinsically evil. Something Charlie used to always say to me is the eyes are the window to the soul. I don't see this intrinsic evil when I look at Mikey McCoy's eyes. But, however, I do think he was hyped. Okay. I think Mikey was promised or told or encouraged that he would become the new Charlie. And it is a fact that that was the number one sentiment that we received from our turning point USA insiders following Charlie's assassination. That the, you know, super-cali-fragilistic,

ispialidocious Mikey McCoy appeared to have like an extra spring in his step that made them all a little bit uncomfortable in the aftermath and that he seemed all too happy to assume Charlie's position. Look, he's already speaking at Liberty University. Why?

Because he made some phone calls. That's, have we lowered the standards for what makes somebody a hero in 2025? I don't know. And I will say that beyond the sentiment that was expressed to us from East Turning Point USA Insiders, there are some interesting facts. Fact number one, for whatever reason, in the month, and I'm going to make sure that I address my timeline here, in the month leading up to Charlie's death, Mikey McCoy was interested

in capturing some behind-the-scenes footage, more intimate moments of Charlie's life. And I'm going to give you two examples of that, okay? Example number one, Charlie's very last overseas trip to Korea. This was four days before he died. For whatever reason, Mikey McCoy felt suddenly inspired to try his luck, micing up Charlie and capturing him on the road. And he says, this is the first time he ever did it. Take a listen to Mikey McCoy, explain that.

Today is really fun because Mikey and Blake are going to talk about their last trip with Charlie to Asia. And Mikey, you are now in the driver's seat. The floor is yours. Yeah. It's crazy to think that was just three, four days before Utah. And it was Charlie's dream to always go to Asia. And Blake and I got the gift of being able to tag along for that. And so I brought the camera with me. I've never traveled with the camera before, but I decided, you know, it would be a good idea to mic Charlie up, do some content with him while we're there. Okay. That is remarkable, obviously, for the first time he decided to mic. something that somebody does as a chief of staff. It's not something that somebody does in that

role. Okay, I've traveled with Charlie everywhere. Very strange. The person that Mike's is always the AV person. And I would assume there were some AV people that were on hand given the trip. But anyways, that's not it. Okay, that's not just one point that we have. And don't worry, because I'm going to show you after I plotted all this into our timeline, just a few weeks before Charlie died, Mikey McCoy and his wife Eliza for the very first time. Now, this is according to Eliza McCoy, she shared that it was the first time ever that they went on vacation. Her and Mikey went on vacation with Erica and Charlie. Here's that post on Instagram. That second paragraph begins. We spent a few weeks together this summer, our first family trip together. Okay. Getting real close

there. And while they were on this very first time together for a couple of weeks' vacation, something moved the McCoys to capture intimate and sweet moments of the Kirk family from behind the scenes. Now, you know which footage I'm talking about. It's the footage that has since gone viral of Charlie walking with his children and Erica. Erica grabs his hand. It's actually a very sweet moment and it moved a lot of us. People were, I know I was crying when I first saw this footage a couple of days after Charlie died. Well, let me tell you guys something. Fortunately, the McCoys were the ones that captured that footage. See, my thing is I need to know what moved them to do that.

Are they really just that extraordinary? Is it the extraordinarily lucky Mikey McCoy? Because I was thinking about it because I have a big family and people with families know. And you can go through Charlie's Instagram as I have done. There's always one person missing from intimate family moments when they're on the fly. They're not planned, right? There tends to be one family member missing because one person grabs the camera and you're catching the kids with dad or you're capturing the kids with mom or it's just the kids, whatever it is,

that's how family footage, when it's organic, tends to look, right? And of course, on holidays, you get together, you stand up, you capture a picture. That is the pattern. If you go through Erica, Charlie's Instagram, Charlie's missing or Erica's missing. And that's because they're filming each other. But thankfully, the McCoys were on hand in what looks like mid-July or early August, into early August, according to my sources, we will nail down these specific dates in the future. We are working on it, okay? Strikes me as odd that Mikey is just picking up the camera and capturing these moments. I don't know. I don't know for the first time ever. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. And if I'm in Erica's position, I'm starting to look at him

funny. Like, what's going on here? Okay. Now let's bring in Daddy McCoy. Wouldn't say he strikes me as something else entirely. And he similarly had some rather impeccable timing. Rob McCoy, as you very well know, was the senior pastor of the Godspeak Calvary Chapel in Thousand Oaks, California. You should also know, by the way, let me introduce this to you right now because I didn't know that he was funded. His church was funded by the Wilkes Brothers down in Texas. The Wilkes Brothers are the ones that fund Daily Wire were, you know, the initial seed money behind the daily wire, not the initial seed money behind Prager You, but they majorly fund Prager University as well. So that's an interesting web that's being woven before our eyes, right?

You've got Prager You, and now you've got this church, and they are a part of what is described online as a cult. It's like Christians for Jews. I don't, you look into it yourself. I honestly can't explain it, but that's just something that you should know in the background. Anyway, for whatever reason, after 17 years as the head pastor of that church, Rob McCoy, it was publicly announced in January of this year that he would be stepping down as the head pastor and instead assuming the role of pastor emeritus. Now, for the uninitiated,

Emeritus is basically just an honorific title, right, bestowed upon someone after they retire from some distinguished position. For Rob McCoy, they had planned that transition. That transition took effect in mid-July of this year. Okay, mid-July of this year is when he officially steps down from the church. A lot going on here in McCoyland. Now, in case you're thinking, well, that doesn't mean that he was doing all of that and transitioning because he was anticipating some bigger role at Turning Point USA and maybe therefore planning to wind down his life in California.

No, actually, that's exactly the reason that was cited when it was reported on in January in the Ventura County Star, they wrote, quote, he's approaching a transition in July. He'll step down as the senior pastor of Godspeak and hand the reins to his son-in-law, Micah Stevens, the church's administrative and worship pastor. McCoy will become the emeritus pastor and will still preach regularly at the church

in a role that could last into the mid-70s. And then it goes on to say when McCoy's responsibilities grew at Turning Point USA, he and his wife sold their home in Thousand Oaks and bought a home in the Phoenix area. Now he said that he bought a different place in Thousand Oaks. He also owns a home in Coronado near San Diego. Now, what we can confirm to you is that Rob actually put that secondary home in Coronado up for sale on August 24, 2025 of this year.

He listed his home up for sale. So suffice it to say that the fantastic heroic sensational McCoys were pretty busy this summer and I don't like it at all. I just don't like it. The vibes for me are not good. Now we can take a look at our timeline here with these new moves added into it. We're going to start looking at July 11th because that's when I think things reached some sort of a pinnacle. That's the infamous speech that Tucker Carlson gave where he calls out Bill Ackman, he starts talking about Israel, all this stuff, and things start moving. Okay. Now you can see on, that's July 11th, and he says that people who serve in foreign armies should be stripped of their citizenship. He muses about where Bill Ackman's wealth comes from.

July 18th is our next date on our timeline. And this came from, this is a great find from Sam Parker. That is when the Turning Point USA receives a request from UVU for Charlie to hold an event at Utah Valley. Not only do they instantly accept this request, but they also make it his first stop, which is incredible. We can listen to a news anchor. I think this is from Fox News, Salt Lake City, describe exactly when that request went out, as we're telling you on July 18th, take a listen. Utah Valley University has provided the document that created the rally at which conservative activist Charlie Kirk was shot to death. But it is not providing the security plan for that day. I'm Fox 13 investigative reporter Nate Carlisle.

We've been asking UVU for records related to the September 10th Kirk Rally. After about six weeks, this is the first record provided. It's the application submitted mid-July by the UVU chapter of Kirk's Turning Point USA. The applicants answer standard questions about time, place, and a description of the event. However, we notice there is one question not asked on the form, whether organizers need any police protection. That's a standard inquiry at, for example, University of Utah events.

Speaking of police, UVU has denied Fox 13 News's request for a copy of the Kirk Rally Security Plan. The university is citing the provision in state records laws keeping confidential, quote, security measures, end quote. The campus also has expressed concern that the records could interfere in any investigation and someone's right to a fair trial. Tyler Robinson is charged with Kirk's murder.

Fox 13 plans an appeal of the denial, and we are still pursuing a variety of records related to the Kirk shooting. Well, Fox 13 News, if I can be of any assistance, you just reach out to me because I've done a lot of these events and everything happening here is unusual, okay, for them to honor a request. I mean, they get every university

across all 50 states trying to get Charlie and I to speak, okay? Just a request going in that late, being honored and becoming stop number one within a couple of weeks? I'm going to say that's never happened. I'm going to dig through my inbox, okay? I'm going to dig through my inbox. I'm going to see what the normal security protocols are because as everybody has noticed, there was no ambulance on standby. And that's against Utah law.

And so it's interesting that they don't want to release the security. plan because I'm pretty sure this was an extraordinary first time thing where they didn't have a security plan. And I had received a tip and I do want to check this out, by the way, that they also had initially slated for this event to be inside, but it was moved. Again, I have to look into that. I'm not confirming that. But if that's true as well, things are about to get very interesting. And guess what, guys, there's more. And this part is crazy. I guess it's not really crazy. I think I saw like Milo Yanopolis tweeted, I think Israel did it. And that's because he was tweeting about the bizarre lie of them saying Erica Kirk was accepting this

award and they completely fictionalized it. They've just been lying nonstop quickly, right? Right out the gate, Bibi Net and Yahoo doing propaganda rounds, denying that he had anything to do with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Perfectly normal thing to do, right? Perfectly normal. For some reason, I didn't feel compelled to do that. I didn't feel like I had to get on camera and make a statement that I didn't kill Charlie Kirk. But Bibi Net and Yahoo, felt that he needed to do that and all of his sickle fans in America echoed that statement and nobody had accused them. A thief runneth when no one pursueth, right? Well, here's some explosive news for you that I can now, beyond a shadow of a doubt, confirm, putting my name on

this. Not only can I confirm this, but I can publicly challenge the very Zionist occupied Trump administration who is aware of this to deny it, to come out and say, no, that's not true. Okay? And if Cash Patel is done crying about the mean tweets on the internet regarding his sensational singing girlfriend, he can also certainly make the time of day to deny what I am saying if it is untrue, right? Because this is pretty relevant. Now, I should say that some people had actually reported this earlier. Like Mel, I've been telling you to follow her, Village Crazy Lady over on X. She was actually very early with this reporting and I had heard rumors and rumblings, but I wanted to make sure that I had verifiable proof, enough proof that I would go out on a limb as I'm doing

right now and asserting that it is authentic and it is real. Ladies and gentlemen, there were, for whatever reason, 12 Israeli cell phones on the ground at Utah Valley University the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. This has completely spooked the people that are very high up in government. Now, to be clear, I don't mean that there were 12 VPNs that were. switched and routed through Israel on that day. I mean that there were 12 personal cell phone accounts that were opened in Israel, okay? Like you go into Verizon in Tennessee or in Connecticut and you open your phone. I am saying that they opened their phones in Israel, those accounts in Israel, and they were on the ground on September 10th at Utah Valley University when Charlie

was shot. Now, the NSA knows this. Cash Patel knows this, people in the current administration know this, and they are desperate, for some reason, to stop that information from being released to the public. Why? Because they're the most transparent administration ever. Is that why? Is this like Jeffrey Epstein transparency that we're getting? Because that's what it feels like. It always seems that on the topic of this one nation that's only the size of New Jersey and has done nothing wrong ever and was truly the greatest friend to Charlie right up until the very end. never put any pressure on him, suddenly everybody abandoned their valguess. True friends of Charlie Kirk, right? Mm-hmm. Standing on that stage, giving him a speech, hiding this. Now, what would be the reason that they wanted to keep that information under wraps?

And why does it have people at the very top spooked? If there's nothing to hide, then there's nothing to hide. Okay? If there's nothing to hide, then there's nothing to hide. Now, let's play devil's advocate. And to be clear, we are now advocating for the devil when we do this. Maybe the cell phones belonged to some exchange students. It's possible. Maybe 12 Israelis were touring UVU on that day because I don't know, Utah Valley University is a place where they maybe wanted to attend in the future. Maybe 12 American students had Israeli-based cell phone. because they had just come back from a summer abroad program and they wanted to keep their Israeli cell phones running

when they got back home to Utah. I don't know, but I'd like to know. In fact, we need to know the answer to this question. Why are they hiding misinformation? And why and who did those 12 Israeli cell phones belong to? Okay? I don't like secrets. I don't like secrets.

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the people that want us to just stop asking questions and move on. What does this feel like to you? What does this feel like to you? Sometimes I wish I was born yesterday, right? It would be so easy to just accept him. Like, oh, yeah, totally. There just was a lone shooter who, you know, had never really been hunted. But he got really lucky and he just fired this shot and he got, he never been to the

campus, but he somehow knew how to scale all the buildings running around like Spider-Man. I wish I was born yesterday so I could just accept that. Unfortunately, I wasn't born yesterday. I was actually born 36 years ago, and everyone is full of it. I am looking at a situation where Charlie was betrayed and is actively being betrayed every day by the very people that he helped to elect. They are in office. They are betraying him by trying to feed us this nonsense, okay? They are feeding us. They're selling us crap and trying to tell us that's food, right? Like if this is nourishing or something, I just won't tolerate it, okay? And it is, I think, one of the craziest things happening right now that these people are now telling us to shift gears and that it's our duty, right? It's our duty to make sure more of them get elected. Now, there are a lot of people running around right now. There are races, important races, they tell us going on in the country, consequential races that are happening. And people online are being somewhat accusatory upset that Republicans are infighting,

if that's what you're calling this. I'm not fighting with you. Okay, I'm going to see this thing all the way through. And that we're instead focused on using our platforms to fight one another rather than to encourage people to go vote so that Republicans can stay in power. across various cities, you know, as just one example, of course, people really cannot stop speaking about the Mom Dani versus the Cuomo mayoral race in New York. Now, Cuomo's already one of the most corrupt families in New York. And now they're like, no switch gears, because Mom Dani is going to be

worse, and it's your job as a good little Republican, okay, to go out there and to make sure that mom. Donnie doesn't win. And to those very many people, I would like to say, no, I'm good, actually. I'm just not interested. I'm interested in nothing until you start telling the truth about what happened in Charlie Kirk. Until you acknowledge a 30-a-6 did not go through his neck, did not get stopped, rather, by his neck, until you acknowledge that that story that you tried to sell us as complete BS, something that could take down a moose somehow did not take down Charlie Kirk. Are you kidding me? Are you absolutely kidding me? I'm not interested in your races around the country. I'm not voting until this is resolved. Okay? This is toxic. You are toxic.

And it is unbelievably abusive to suggest that I have to now reinvest and work for the exact same party that told me that if I voted for them and got the word out for them and I did do all those things, that things would be different. Corruption is going to stop. We're going to to be the most transparent thing administration that you've ever seen except on those Epstein files. Yeah, I know he was like abusing children, but

what Epstein files were he even talking about? No. No, thank you. No. Nope. Goodbye. Not doing it anymore. You're left versus right. Don't care anymore.

There is power and there is the rest of us. There is power and there is the rest of us. and you are not going to convince me that any of this stuff is consequential after I just watched Charlie Kirk catch a bullet in his throat and watching all of you lie about it.

Okay? There's actually this vintage clip from TRL. Remember Total Request Live with Carson Daly that perfectly embodies me and how I am feeling in this moment. So let's watch that vintage clip together. Hi. My name is Meyenda and I live in Florida. Being a young black female and also a teen mother, what do you guys do to get back, give back to the community?

Also directed mostly towards ODB. I know Prague and the Fuji do things for the community, but what is going to be your thing for the community? Nothing. So the whole word. Don't get me wrong now. Don't get me wrong now. Don't get me wrong. Send you love. So the Republicans, I send you love. Okay? Don't get me wrong. I send you love. But what I'll be doing for the broader community until you start telling the truth is nothing.

Nothing. So don't even, don't at me. I just don't care at all, not even a little bit. Anyway, two of the, like, three people that I still like that are within the realm of politics got together. Tucker Carlson joined Dave Smith. I kind of want to qualify Tucker Carlson. I feel like I want to say the stupendous Tucker Carlson joined Dave Smith on his show to respond to all of this Zionist backlash that he was receiving

for having a conversation with Nick Fuentes. And foremost, Tucker explains why he had the conversation with Nick Fuentes. Take a listen. I didn't make Nick Fuentes, hardly. I just want to know what this is about. And I wanted to make the point that I often make and now seems even more important than it ever has, which is that virtue and sin are not transmitted genetically. There is no such thing as blood guilt.

Therefore, collective punishment is always immoral. God created each person individually. He did not create communities at once. He created people and all of us will die and in the end face God alone. So it's about the person and people can be changed by God, by the way. And the New Testament is that story of people who were in the case of the whole hero of the New Testament. The human hero was a guy called Paul who was murdering Christians as a Pharisee and then becomes the greatest proselytized from the history of Christianity and my personal hero.

So like, don't tell me that people can't be changed. changed because of their blood. Now, that is the basis. That position is the basis of Western civilization. We often talk about Western civilization and we're all defending Western civilization. Israel is defending Western civilization. Israel does not have a Western position on this question. The Israeli position, not of all Israelis, by the way, and certainly not of all Jews, but I'm saying of the Israeli government and of a couple of its ministers, which they say this out loud all the time, is that everybody who's related to a terrorist shares in his guilt. That's collective punishment, it is blood guilt, and it's antithetical to Christianity and to the West. And so for me,

and by the way, Israel's not the only country that does this, most countries do this. Literally most countries do this. All of Asia, India. This is like an intuitive response that people have. Okay, so that I actually introduced that wrong. That's to occur just giving the broader theological, delivering the broader theological point, which is important that people have the capacity to change. And actually, we're kind of in this weird psychosis as a society. And I would say, that this is kind of one of the things they're trying to deliver to us is that some people are just

deplorable. Like everything about them is just so deplorable and we have to throw them away and that's what creates these sort of movements and people are just tired of it. They're just tired of this.

This is not the way that Christians think actually. We very much don't live in a Christian society because you live in a Christian Zionist society and Christian Zionism is a paradox, okay? There's no such thing as Christian Zionism

because Zionism is all about identity, right? It's all about identity because I am a Jew. I therefore have a right to this land because they are Jews and I am a Christian, I recognize that I'm going to get into heaven if I just worship how BB Net and Yahoo, even when he kills tens of thousands of kids. That is a political ideology. It is not a religion and it is dangerous and it is wrong and it is backwards and it is, of course,

antithetical to the Bible. Now, Tucker then explains specifically why he chose to have a conversation with Nick Fuentes, take a listen. You should be forgiving always. Things are being said right now that almost seem like they can't be forgiven. They're so, they're extortations to violence. Clearly they are.

Et cetera, et cetera. Slander of a kind that's so severe, like how do you get past that? I think we should force ourselves. I interviewed Nick Fuentes to attack my wife and my son and my dad. Can't attack my dad? And I interviewed him anyway.

I choked it back and I thought to myself, I want to hear this. And I'm just going to make, I try to make myself do that. So if tomorrow John Pahartz is like, or whomever I'm mad at, right? People I used to know are calling me a Nazi is like, you know what?

I don't think he's actually a Nazi. Like let's have a real conversation. Let's do the best for America. They should all be accepted. I don't think we should have permanent enemies who are American citizens. I don't because I think the whole idea of it is we're united by citizenship,

our common Americanness. Everybody's welcome. Even if we hated each other 20 minutes ago. And Glenn Greenwald, I mean, I hated Glenn Greenwald. Now I think he was one of my favorite people in the world, not just monthly, but personally. Like, forgiveness is essential. People change. Allow for that.

Don't draw permanent lines in the sand where it's like, I hate you and I will hate your son too. Like, that's non-Western thinking. We don't allow that. I'm going to really consider, you listen to Tucker's perspectives and what's guiding his perspectives. And then go backwards and listen to like Mark Levin. and these people that get on their platforms and call him irredeemable and you realize there's a different spirit moving

within these groups, right? And he is what Christianity is, right? It's about forgiveness. It's about when you're angry, not assuming that there's some like blood oath that you need to honor, but saying, you know what, Nick Fuentes says something crappy things about me

and I'm going to speak to him. I did the same thing. I was like the bigger person hosted him and he was, by the way, still a jerk. But this idea that he shouldn't have a platform, he shouldn't be allowed to speak, he shouldn't be allowed to think, you shouldn't be a lot to breathe. What is that from? What is your faith? Don't, you're definitely not going to convince me if that's the first five books of the Bible,

okay? I know what your faith is. It's Zionism. Okay, you guys behave like gangsters. You behave like you are only loyal to one another and you'll come beat up any person figuratively. You'll take care of any person that gets in your way. And the world can see that now. So what's your next move? You just keep doing this, to just keep behaving like that? this. And just know that every act that you make, every show, everything that you make go viral with you speaking in the way that you speak. And then people get to hear Tucker, he gets bigger and you get smaller. Okay. He gets bigger. Our ideas get bigger. Your ideas get smaller because people can perceive the nastiness that's guiding it and they want nothing to do with it. Okay. Now,

I'm going to take a brief break because I know that you guys have a lot of comments. And we also have book club tonight. And we're going to get deeper, by the way, into that sort of guiding the when we get back into the Sigmund Freud book because it really, really connects dots for you, right? What that guiding philosophy comes from is actually a psychology. It is a psychology, and he's the father of it, as they call him, the father of modern psychology. And so really stepping back into time and understanding what was happening at the turn of the 19th century across Europe, why so many speech laws have been passed in Europe, kind of Christians in the way that we're doing right now, waking up and going, what is the guiding philosophy of these people that seem like they hate us?

Like they're trying to abuse. Like, what have we done wrong to be treated like this? This book is really an aha moment. And I'm excited for the book club. I'm excited and I understand why Zionists infiltrated it, but we're not going to stop. But first, let's get to a couple of sponsors. Then I'm going to answer some of your comments. All right, you guys, jumping in here to remind you about Tax Network USA, because there are tons of people who owe back tax. and some people have not even filed their tax returns. Well, the October 15th deadline has officially passed. If you forgot to file for an extension or if you haven't yet gathered all of your documents

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This user wrote, Cheryl writes, after hearing Cash Patel's tweet, I'm 90% sure he's the one that wrote Tyler's message to his furry lover. Absolutely, you are correct. It's now a fact. It's now a fact. Just kidding, but I loved that comment. All right, comments from today's episode, Laughing Cats, Music, World Rights, I keep thinking about George Zinn. I know he was a habitual Salt Lake City event disruptor, but what are the chances his reflex is to take the blame voluntarily? I guess it's possible, but wow, crazy split decision to make right, not even a hesitation. I told you guys that we had a source leak to us.

He went to the hospital. He went to Utah Valley Hospital after this event to treat some of his like mild injuries from being dragged. And he told people that he was told to do it and he was paid to do it. And but he didn't know where the payment was coming from. So yeah, this was this entire thing was just an operation. Like I said, Brandon Hansen writes, been a lifelong Israel supporter. Recently I've come to not like Beebe, but I still love the land where the Lord was born. a Zionist who dislikes Netanyahu.

Curious how you feel about that. Love from Maine. It at least makes me happy to hear you acknowledge that there's a demon. I don't, it's the strangest thing to me when these people are treating Bibi Net and Yahoo like he is their Christ. And that is what makes it a disgusting heresy, right? Like it's just to misinterpret the Bible so much that you're basically platforming and honoring what Bibi Net and Yahoo does, avoiding the topic, not acknowledging.

of what he's doing the Palestinians is wrong. Having love for Jerusalem, that makes sense. Having love to be able to walk in Jerusalem and to see the relics, that all makes sense to me. And I think I'm just more discussed by people who turn a blind eye to everything that's happened to the Palestinians. It just makes me sick. And to see him on camera acting like such a gangster and people pretending that he's holy, whether there's even a shred of documented proof that these people are of the original

people from the Holy Land is crazy. There's way more proof to the contrary, which they've stopped printing, even their own textbooks, which they've stopped printing, that point to the fact that they came from Turkey, the Turkic Ashkenaz tribe, that came down, began speaking Yiddish, and then needed a place to go after World War II. It's crazy to me. The whole thing's crazy. Again, I would debate anybody on that topic, definitely feeling especially fired up about it. A Smoky Mountain Kitty writes, always trust your gut. Our brain takes in far more. information than we are aware of. I love your show and all that you do. Thank you so much. Beck Build writes so glad Charlie had you on another topic. Dinosaurs, hundreds of Bible believing PhD

scientists have evidence that dinosaurs are real, killed during the global flood of Genesis, the Institute for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis and Creation. Okay, guys, I'm sorry, nope, sorry. And this is going to get, I bet you, the people that are going through my book club, by the end of this, you're going to see that there was a conscious movement, as I said, at the turn of the century. Same time they started going, oh, we found dinosaur bone to, and then you get into like the research of, you come from an osteopithecus. And they describe this as like, oh, suddenly science was peaking. And actually what was happening is they wanted to make people invest in scientism. That's a C.S. Lewis perspective. He writes about that in one of his books where they wanted

to turn science into God. And as long as they say, there's an expert, there's research experts, say that people would fall into line. And that's what we see happening. So I can't do a deep dive on the dinosaur thing right now. But the book club, we're going to go there eventually. And I just can, I don't know, I just, I see a bigger picture, a broader picture now. Removing the Bibles from classrooms, teaching people that they're homo sapiens and they started walking street, but also the monkeys are still here. It was very methodical. And yeah, broader conversation to have. I can't wait for that clip to go viral, by the way. Like, I care. But I also don't believe the moon landings happen. So you can cut that clip because they didn't happen. That's crazy, more scientism.

Anyways, Smoky, I'm sorry, Christine writes, loyalty is rare. Christ is king. Indeed, he is. Beth Mitchum writes, so we give Israel billions, people who support Israel, give A-PAC money to give our government, to give to our government to vote the way Israel wants. So my tax money pays for Israeli ideas. We pay Congress twice. Can you say money laundering? Yeah, that's what it feels like, for sure. We give our tax dollars. They go overseas. And then they yell at us for paying attention to what they're doing overseas and then call us anti-Semitic. This is like the worst deal ever. I'd like that deal to be undone. And it certainly isn't going to be undone in this administration. That's for sure. Jennifer K. Wright just asked Grock if Israel and Egypt coordinate on intelligence

ops. It says yes, calling their cooperation unprecedented. Since the 19th, 179 peace treaty intel chiefs have met often share real-time data. Honestly, few countries make more sense working together. Yeah. Country A that gets most of our money is Israel, B is Egypt, and there is a reason for that. It's so it doesn't look like it's all going to Israel. That's my perspective. Darth Phantom rights, citizens have, and I would say since the 1967 war, do you think that they would let Israel control the Sinai Peninsula? Anyways, more on that later. Darth Phantom rights, citizens have always paid taxes to finally be able to return. retire. And the thanks that we get for this is they raise the age on us to retire and we all

obey like idiots. Am I the only one angered about this? Yeah, it's all coming apart. We're realizing it's all one big scam. It's all usury. And it is a sin and everything that's happening into our in our country, our culture, the corrosion. I think it's because America has married to Zionism. Like I truly do believe that. And I think a lot of people are waking up to that. We were a better country when we were a Christian nation. We are no longer a Christian nation. We are no longer a Christian nation. are an occupied nation with an ideology that has produced filth in our culture. Miranda writes, hi, Candace, I'm 23, and I should be clear, a political ideology dressed up as a religion and a faith.

Miranda writes, Candice, I'm 23 and newly married. We just found out that I'm pregnant. Congratulations. I'm nervous, but I know children are God's blessings. Do you have any advice for me as a young mother? Is it okay to be nervous? My advice would be not to take advice. It is going to be the most natural job that you have.

You are going to just know what to do when you see the baby, and it will make you a better person because you will be so tapped into God's creation. You will realize that there is something more. It is one of the sins in the culture that kind of trained us to have children later is that we don't tap into our divine purpose and children immediately have you tap into your divine purpose. You feel more wholesome, more confident. I became a more confident person when I had children because I suddenly realized what matters and what doesn't matter. And that's why I fight like hell for truth because it matters, right? My investment is that I have children

and my silence is essentially cowardice that would guarantee that their future would be compromised, could be more compromised than our lives are right now. Lastly, Real Lightworker writes,

have you looked into events going on at UVU that day? A college student posted an FB, Real of her experience, she ran into a building where the room was filled with uniformed people and a bunch of different flags, who were they?

That's the hall of flags that's behind Charlie's head. And I do find something suspicious was going on there. I've never gotten clarity, but that's where notoriously the person who filmed the footage, the only footage that we have of the person running across, who they say is the shooter running across the Losey Center. So, yeah, look, we are investigating every day with more information. Tomorrow we will have more explosive information and revelations about the Egyptian plane, which so interesting. Speaking of the unique relationship between Egypt and Israel, TikTok, is hitting us for videos talking about the Egyptian plains. That's very strange. Israel's moderator served in the IDF, we know, and BB wants TikTok secured for Israel's future.

Why do they care about Egyptian planes that were there? It's kind of coming together. There's a picture here that's coming together. Anyways, you guys, we have to jump off because we do have book club tonight. So I will see you guys in the Zion. infiltration on our book club. We finally did it, guys. We went viral and they're stealing clips from behind the paywall. If you guys would like to support our work, you know you can go to Canis Owens.com. You can go to make him a sandwich.com to buy the book. You will really enjoy

this book. It's really important, especially for women to understand where these feminist ideals came from. And beyond that, we will see you guys tomorrow. Thank you.