Candace - Lori Frantzve’s Gun Deal? Terryl’s Footage Faux Pas. | Candace Ep 328

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

A YouTuber makes a fascinating discovery about the behind the back footage of Charlie, Erika Kirk's mother is involved in a potential gun sale, and Blake Neff is now a superfan of our show. 00:00 - Start. 01:21 - Was the behind the book footage shared with me edited? 15:52 - Lori's gun deal? 27:33 - Blake Neff calls me a liar. 33:51 - Laura Loomer attacks me again... 43:47 - Comments. ​PreBorn!​ To donate, dial #250 and say they keyword “BABY" or by visiting https://preborn.com/candace ​Nimi Skincare​ Save 10% on your order with promo code CANDACE10 at http://www.NimiSkincare.com ​ PureTalk​ Take advantage of unlimited high-speed data for just $34.99 per month at http://www.PureTalk.com/Owens ​Fatty15​ Fatty15 is on a mission to optimize your C15 levels to help support your long-term health and wellness -especially as you age. You can get an additional 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit by going to http://fatty15.com/CANDACE and using code CANDACE at checkout. ​American Financing​ NMLS 182334, http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-795-1210 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www.AmericanFinancing.net/Owens. Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99. Candace Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ClipsCandaceOwens Candace Official Website: https://candaceowens.com Candace Merch: https://shop.candaceowens.com Candace on Apple Podcasts: https://t.co/Pp5VZiLXbq Candace on Spotify: https://t.co/16pMuADXuT Candace on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/RealCandaceO Candace en Español: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnEspanol Candace Owens em Português: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensemPortugues Candace Owens en Français: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnFrançais Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We got to get a package over to Blake because he had things to say again on X. He's always having a little mini spiral about our show. We're going to get into it. and I will debunk him, he called me a liar. That is bold choice of words, bold accusation coming from anyone at Turning Point USA. But first I got to tell you guys about this YouTuber you've heard about her before on this show. She made a rather shocking discovery regarding the footage that Terrell took down mysteriously. And lastly, we received a stunning tip about Erica Kirk's mother, the Lori.

The Lori and Gun Sales. Is everybody in the industry? What industry is it that everybody is in? That's what I want to know. Everyone but me, apparently. Welcome back to Candace. So I say this often, but I should always repeat it. There are a lot of people who have contributed to this crowd-sourced investigation into Charlie Kirk's death.

YouTubers who do not get nearly enough credit for their amazing discoveries. One such YouTuber is Nisi. Neesey is the one that brought us, if you recall, the investigation into the strange text messages that Erica shared with a then 15-year-old Jillian. We then picked up on her investigation and added to it. That's how the crowdsourcing works. And we were recently inundated with emails to our tips box about another discovery that Nisi has made this time pertaining to the camera behind Charlie's head.

We revealed that footage, never-before-seen footage, the one that Terrell raced, the footage that he raced to take down, just minutes after Charlie was struck. literally, I think we estimated about four minutes after Charlie was struck after he recorded himself. Amazing still. We should never forget that none of the turning point employees called 911. Not Mikey, not Blake, not Terrell. That was not their instinct. Terrell was perhaps the worst, almost worse than Mikey walking away would be Terrell recording himself in a selfie video. Anyway, Nisi discovered that the camera footage, which was shown to me on FaceTime, was likely edited. And she supplied some very compelling evidence for this. So I want you to take a

listen to what she shared. In this footage that Terrell has selectively shared with Candice, we can't see the ground where Charlie had been sitting. You're probably thinking, okay, so what? Well, I'll tell you what. Actually, I'll show you what. On February 28, 2025, the American Comeback Tour did a stop at Florida State University, and here is the back camera shot. On March 3rd, 2025, the American Comeback Tour did a stop at the University of Southern California, and here is the back camera shot.

Here's San Francisco, here's San Diego, Long Beach, Boise, Idaho, Washington State. Do you notice a pattern? The camera is a wide angle camera and was always used as such. However, in the footage that Terrell has selectively shared with Candice, you cannot see the ground. So either that day at UVU, they had changed things up and they had zoomed in the camera so that you couldn't see the area around Charlie or Terrell had zoomed in after the fact. And he was showing a cropped version of the footage to Candice. Either way, it gives you. the impression that they're hiding something. Niecy, Niecy, Niecy, Niecy, gosh, I'm just,

I'm so happy that you brought that forth, honestly, common sense. There were so many things that I was saying around how bizarre that footage was, but I should have looked at it and said, what is this shot actually? Where is this shot going to? And you know what, Nisi? I was actually remarking to my team that it certainly seemed to me that Terrell may have, at the very least, edited the video. And the reason why is because, well, first and foremost, it took him two days to get back to me after our initial conversations. So just to remind everybody, I phoned him on September the 17th because the footage started going viral of him taking down the camera. I recognized him. I didn't think anything of it. I was like, oh, maybe there's a reason.

Common sense reason in my head would have been like, oh, maybe the cops asked him to. the feds were on the scene a little too quickly that day, actually. And then he got all weird. He was hesitant coming up with all sorts of excuses, why he couldn't show me the footage. She didn't want to put the footage out there. He wanted to protect the footage. He wanted to protect Erica.

By the way, in retrospect, even that's weird. Like, why right away are you speaking to Erica about the back footage? Like, why does she care? There's so many more important things. Why do you care? Especially since she said she never watched any footage, parking that aside, that conversation I had with him is I'm a 17th,

and I was like, you're being weird, you're being weird, you're being weird. And then on the 19th, he sort of broke and said, okay, no, let's just get on the call. I'm happy to show you the footage. So I think in those two days, he had figured out a way to show me the footage, which he thought would sort of assuage my suspicion. And I can add to your investigation, E.C.

By showing you the beginning of our FaceTime conversation, which I had initially cut. because he wasn't showing me the footage, but it was me and him speaking. And I did see him open the file on his computer desktop. So let's take a look at that early footage of the beginning of our conversation. And so you can see, obviously, this is FaceTime.

You can see that he is opening up the file, and this is how it begins. Now I'm going to freeze frame that for you again because there are people who know more about cameras and whether you're hooking things up, This is what that looks like there. We had wondered ourselves. It seems to be a Sony camera, and Sony camera certainly does have.

If you put in the SD card into your computer, it will open. Obviously, your drive will appear on your desktop, and then you will see they automatically label a folder clip. Okay? That's just our basic research. Feel free to dispute me, guys, who know much more about cameras. But it is my suspicion, the thing that's kind of now making me go, what the heck, it is my suspicion that that YOLO drive that you're seeing on the left-hand side is likely what he named his SD card. And what is wrong with that, and I'll tell you why that is my suspicion, what is wrong with that is Terrell shouldn't have the SD card.

The thing that you have me thinking, I'm going back now and revisiting again, I told you. you, I suffered effectively a brain trauma that I couldn't come back from having watched Charlie die and then trying to process why I was suddenly fighting people that I thought were his friends in the media and things that were being said about me. Now I'm thinking how strange it is that Terrell didn't just say to me, I don't have the footage because the feds were on the ground and of course they confiscated it. Like I took the SD card out because it had to be given to the feds. Terrell and I are speaking on the 17th and on the 19th and at no point in our conversations does he say to me, I don't have the footage or I don't have the SD card. I'm

specifically asking him why he removed the SD card. That was the nature of our discussion. Why did you remove the SD card from the camera? Why did you take the camera down? And his answer was because he wanted to protect Erica. He didn't want Erica to see the footage. He had a conversation with Erica. He didn't want her to see Charlie dying again. Then he says, when I say, okay, well, can I see it? He doesn't say, oh, no, obviously I had to then give it to the feds. At no point did he say to me that he gave the SD card to the feds? That suddenly feels very relevant.

That's insane. That is totally insane. So now we have a situation where Charlie's phone we've learned was not given to the feds. That should have been kept by the feds. That should have been secured by the feds. That should have been like Tyler Robinson's phone or Lance Twigs phone, secured by the feds. And now we know that they also, again, on the basis of my conversation with him and what I

believe that we are looking at there, that Tara was able to take that footage back to Arizona. He's opening that on his desktop in Arizona back in Scottsdale. That doesn't make sense to me and it is problematic. What we know happens thereafter because we were playing devil's advocate, me and my producers, and Ashley had suggested, well, maybe that's the reason. And maybe the feds didn't know that Terrell had it. Maybe they found out on your show that Terrell had the footage. And that's why they started putting pressure on Justin Strife to call your husband and see if you had recorded the footage.

Maybe it was the first time they were aware of it. And I said, well, no, that can't be the circumstance. They couldn't have found out on my show because the entire reason we were covering it and why I was reaching out to Terrell was because it was viral. People saw him taking down the footage and suddenly it was viral. Don't you think they would have noticed all of the cameras right away? They would have known we're missing back footage. There was a camera right there. First thing a police officer does.

Is that a camera? Yeah. Can I get the footage to that camera, that camera, this camera? Why did the feds not take the footage from behind Charlie said? Why did Terrell have it at all? So yes, Nisi, I agree with you that it is very likely that he zoomed in on that footage. And I believe the reason he did that was to obscure our view of the ground

and the question we have to ask ourselves now is why. What was on the ground or what happened on the ground within that view? What did that camera capture specifically that is worth hiding? It has to be something that would solve Charlie's murder. That's my position. And I'm going to stick to that.

I think that Tyler Robinson's defense team you are watching, and I hope you are, because we're helping you a lot here, that's the footage that you need to get. That footage should not be zoomed in. She's correct. Turning point has that footage. And it should show you the entire ground area.

What happens, what the security guards do when after Charlie goes down. And also the aftermath, it may go a very long way in terms of capturing Charlie's true assassins. Again, that's my opinion. And regarding that sense. I actually told you guys early on that I had tabled with Charlie for years all across the United States, beyond the United States, actually. Events from the East Coast, all down the East Coast all the way to Hawaii and the entire setup was strange and new. Charlie, oddly, is on a chair that is upon a platform that seats him above the table. Why?

Why? Why? Why was Charlie on a platform and then put on top of a chair on top of the platform above a table? Look at this. Why? He's under a tent and then put up onto a platform. We were never on platforms when we tabled. Charlie was six foot five inches. He didn't need help seeing above a table. This is not Ben Shapiro on tour, okay? It's Charlie Kirk. He was always here. when and why did they start building this weird little platform stage for Charlie? We'll show you again, slowing down the stills from Nisi going back.

Here's a platform still. You can see Charlie on this random platform two, but again, he's still below the table, right? Platform three, okay, that you can see they're just building a little mini stage, maybe to level the ground. Still seems strange to me, but then he's on this platform. Utah, he's just way above the table. Why? Why were they doing this? And even I think something that is even stranger is the camera shot behind Charlie's head. Why? Who needs it? How is that angle at all necessary in a Q and A segment? What are you getting from that angle? Actually. I'm seriously. Who was like, we need an angle behind Charlie's head. I told you that was brand new. And it feels a bit to me like they were intentionally boiling the frog. And now in case you're not from America, you're not familiar with that expression. Boiling the frog is just a metaphor for doing something slowly. Like, think of literally

the idea of a frog. And the idea is the frog, if you just boil it slowly, will stay in the pot, right? Until it gets hot. But if you put them right away when the pot is boiling, put the frog into the pot, the frog will jump out. It's just a metaphor, though. You shouldn't try that with frogs at home. It's just a metaphor for how you won't react to dangerous changes if they happen slowly over time. and I said, when did they start putting that camera view? And we couldn't find a time before late 2024 when Charlie is tabling and there's a camera directly behind his head that appears to have arrived in 2025, right? And I want to know if we're correct.

I'd like the intranet to figure out precisely when this weird view became desirable for turning point events because we noted it, just as Nisi noted it, as a part of the American comeback tour. 2025, suddenly they start boiling the frog. He's got this weird camera behind his head. Like, like, it was in hot demand. Please, we must know what's going on behind Charlie's head. You want to know Charlie's eyesight.

You would put a camera to the right of him, to the left of him. And we checked the tour before. We said, okay, what was a tour before the American Comeback Tour in 2024? That was his brainwashed tour. And here are some examples of the tabling. Look at this. Here is Charlie March 7, 2024. There was no camera behind his head.

Here is Charlie on September 5th, 2004, the Brainwash Tour, the University of Wisconsin. We go to the next one. There is no camera behind his head. And here is Charlie at Northern Arizona University on October 15th, 2024. Again, the brainwash tour. There is no camera behind his head. Why the change? Why were we doing something new in 2025?

Why is there so much brand new? I told you never in the history of every Turning a Point event that I did from 2017 all the way through 2024. Did we have a camera behind our head? This episode is brought to you by FedEx. These days, the power move isn't having a big metallic credit card to drop on the check at a corporate lunch. The real power move is leveling up your business with FedEx. intelligence and accessing one of the biggest data networks powered by one of the biggest delivery networks. Level up your business with FedEx, the new power move.

I want answers. That also seems to have arrived specifically with the big sponsorship deal with Y ReFi as well. I'll also state that. These are things that should be explored. Great job, Nisi. Now I want to switch gears here to travel back to late fall. 2016, just before the election, the big election, Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump is traveling all throughout the country, giving us one-liners about Hillary Clinton. The media does not think that she can be beat. And I know what you're thinking right now. You're thinking, but what were Lori Francois and Erica Kirk doing at that time? Great question. That is exactly the right question, my friends. And I have an answer, a very strange answer, okay? So Lori and

Erica's stepfather, Larry, who we have not done really any research on Larry Ginta. I probably should have included that in my Erica series. But what they were doing at that time is they were trying to get in on a gun company. A gun company. Now, I don't know how this just keeps happening, but these are the facts. Okay, so Lori came into contact with a couple of guys who had filed a patent. So they had a patent pending that was for a unique gun. Think about the story that we told you with Fold AR.

First, AR that's going to fold. I want this in the backpack of every school resource officer. That's Corby Hall's story. In comes Victor Marks. I'm interested in this. And what's the conclusion of that? Victor Marks wants the patent for Israel. I remind you, Victor Marks wanted the patent for Israel.

He wanted to push Corby Hall out and get him a deal. so that he would sell the patent to Israel, okay? Similarly, Lori Fransfay and Larry were interested in a gun pending patent, and this was going to be a gun that was and is today the only now patent-approved weapon that features interchangeable calibers, okay? So you can put different rifling in each of the cylinders. It's essentially a convertible weapon, so to speak, for those of you who are like me. and that up on your weaponry that is incredibly unique to be able to do that. They accomplish that

by extending the cylinder. The patent today is actually approved. Anyway, the story goes that Lori, remember we had showed you that she had gone to this expo, this exposition up in Salt Lake City in Utah, and this is when she was hawking her G-tech, G-tech industries, her EMP Doomsday Tech, showed you this. And I'm going to say allegedly here, but I am telling you the truth. Allegedly, at this time, she and Larry meet some, the guys that have this patent pending and they offer to introduce these guys to their angel investor for G-Tech Industries. So they set up a dinner back in Scottsdale, Arizona. Again, this is going to be late 2016. At this dinner, you have Lori, you have Larry Ginta and the two would-be company owners.

Again, I want to be clear, the gun was not yet manufactured. So they were there to discuss only patent, a potential deal for it, and what they could offer in exchange for it. The answer being, we have access to government contracts. Of course they do. Yeah, we know that. Lori was doing deals with the government for her EMP tech. Was she going to do the deal with the government for guns?

I don't know, but I'll tell you what my favorite part of the story is. My favorite part of the story is who strolls in unannounced at this dinner to sweeten up the potential deal. None other than Erica Fransbe. You could just see it. Arizona's beauty queen arrives fashionably late to the dinner, all dolled up, looking very glamorous. So the story goes, He's very familiar with everybody in the restaurant. She's a little bit of a hometown hero.

Hello, hello. Oh, hi, hair blowing in the wind, right? And then she takes her seat at the restaurant table and dives into this discussion, this business discussion about selling or potentially acquiring a piece of the company doing this little exchange. And you just have to love it.

To me, her and her mom are like Bonnie and Clyde. And I'm told that during this discussion, Erica then drops the fact that she has and her mother, her mother says, oh, she's, it's not known yet, but she's just now dating a guy that has some very big political connections. There's just a couple of months into dating because that sweetens the deal a little bit. Oh, you've got this beautiful girl. And now you realize this girl has access to someone who was a player, right?

And the person, in retrospect, thought that she was talking about Charlie Kirk, but she actually wasn't at this time, according to our timeline, Erica, who was dating Cabot Phillips. Cabot Phillips did have he was on Ellen DeGeneres. He had a little thing going with his brothers early on. And so that was to suggest. He never said the name. But she's got a political boyfriend who's got some connections as well. And look, she's Miss Arizona, right?

Well, fortunately, for the men that were involved with the patent, nothing actually ever materialized from that meeting. But it sure is interesting that Laurie Franz Faye was interested in the weapons industry, particularly in the unique gun industry. Guns, unlike guns that had ever been made before industry, the kind of industry that Victor Marks was into. And this person, apparently, the person that was involved with this patent, eventually got into a little lawsuit with Victor Marks.

I don't know who want to have to dig it up. I'm still researching that. But it's just a tangled web that we keep weaving. Our faith leaders, remember Erica says, she learned everything that she knows through the steadfast commitment and the faith of her mother that her mother sort of like was just his faith woman. I looked into Lori, I feel differently about her.

Okay, so if she learned everything from her mother, that should terrify you. That should absolutely terrify you. It terrifies me in the retrospect. Man, I wish I had done a deep dive on Erica when Charlie had met her. I just wanted him to find a girl settled down. I knew how much he wanted that. And so I just was too much of the wing woman.

But this just can't keep happening, you guys. The pattern that I am seeing here. Guns, trafficking. sex trafficking, charities, always charitable, Erica always somehow just floating around. Something right here. Something is not right. And as I mentioned to you guys before, as we started to see people always like, you know, one degree away from Jeffrey Epstein, one degree away from Israel, sometimes less than that. One of the things that just strikes me as really compelling is to consider the timeline.

Jeffrey Epstein goes down in 2017, right? Did Jeffrey Epstein down in 2017? I think it was 2017, maybe 2018, actually. And suddenly, like, we're supposed to believe his entire network crashed and burned. And everyone was like, okay, it's a global trafficking network that began with weapons. I keep reminding you guys, Jeffrey Epstein, we speak about the files and we talk about the blackmail and we talk about the sex. but Jeffrey Epstein began his career in weapons trafficking. The Iran-Contra scandal.

How do we know that? Because a former Mossad agent testified to that effect that he was introduced by Robert Maxwell and brought into the Iran-Contra affair. They've tried to bury that connection, but you can certainly found it we did in our Epstein series, thankfully because of the journalism of Xavier Prussard over in France.

Don't forget that. I believe, like I've said multiple. times that Jeffrey Epstein's network reemerged, and I think it reemerged in the not-for-profit world. I'm speculating, but I'm also really good at puzzles, and I just don't see how certain patterns can just keep happening, that, like, faithful people can truly just be interested all in the exact same thing, human sex trafficking. And I got to tell you, there are still more connections to be added that we have not yet shared yet. Anyway, we are going to take a brief break, and I'm going to tell you all about Blakey Neff and his shocking attack against me on X.

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No. So yesterday, he just took a random shot at me, and here's what he said. It was kind of shocking that he said this, actually. He wrote, in the opening of her show today, which thank you for watching my show, Candice claims, quote, liars on the internet have falsely claimed that Tyler Robinson's family turned him in and that they have falsely claimed his parents, quote, recognized grandpa's gun on the news, end quote, which is impossible, she says, since no photos of the gun were released before Robinson's arrest. This is a remarkably precise way to be dishonest because when one simply bothers to read the charging document, one sees that Robinson's parents did not recognize the gun. They recognized photos of the suspect, which were released by the FBI as looking like their son. Only then did they move on to suspecting that the rifle was a match. And at that point, the FBI had already announced that they had found a high-powered bolt-action rifle. We know, Candace has seen all of this. It's worth asking, why would she? she so deliberately misrepresent the evidence.

So he quotes me as saying, liars on the internet have falsely claimed that his parents recognize the gun. And so I think what's going on is they changed the story so much. Like I say, the FBI is making it up as they go along, but they forget the lies they told us yesterday. They forget what money they've spent on influencers to influence us about certain topics or certain facts yesterday because then they moved on. They're like, oh, no, we can't do that anymore.

And that is what Blake is succumbing to here. So I just obviously tweeted right back at him, the headlines. There were many headlines, which said exactly what I shared, like this one in the Daily Mail. Tyler Robinson's father realized his son was shooter after seeing family heirloom in media reports. And then I had shared with him another one that was on MSN, that he had recognized the rifle. And by the way, since you're speaking about the charging document, which I have read many times over and over again, That's exactly where they were getting it from, not what the police officer said, but from Tyler Robinson's, and by Tyler Robinson's, I mean the Fed's very sloppy messages that they put together.

This is the text message, Blake, that people used to deduce that his dad might have seen the rifle on the news. He wrote, my dad wants photos of the rifle. He says grandpa wants to know who has what, the feds released a phone. of the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me right now, not answering. Well, if you read that message, Blake, it kind of sounds like the reason his dad is calling him is because the feds released a message of the rifle

and it's very unique. He doesn't sound like he's saying it was a generic release, which it was. So that's why this didn't really make sense. It was fair for the media to conclude on the basis of those messages that his dad recognized it and that's why he was calling Tyler. So I hope that helps.

I know it's difficult. Like I said, when you lie, you have to have a good memory. That's what Judge Judy always instructed to people. If you're going to be a liar, you better have a good memory. And you, my friend, do not have a good memory. But while we have your attention, Blake Neff, there was this huge claim that we made on the show about a week ago, where I said that I spoke to multiple donors who tell me that the audio that you released of Charlie Kirk saying, I appoint Erica Kirk to be the CEO and chairman if something ever happens to me.

They claim that he never said that in Aspen. They claim Erica actually was in Aspen, even though she didn't attend the event, and that Charlie definitively never said that on stage, nor did he say it in a smaller dinner that took place with about 10 to 12 people, is my understanding. That's a pretty big claim I'm making there, Blake. I'm saying that I have proof, I have at least testimony, from donors. Your donors that say that they believe that that is AI.

And you have testified to the public, or Erica, rather, certainly explained to Megan Kelly. You guys were the ones to introduce this, that you have the video. And yet you declined to share the video. What a beautiful site that would have been. Charlie Kirk opening Amfest, a video of him saying,

I appoint Eric Kirk, and then Erica Kirk walks out. There wouldn't have been a dry eye in the place, Blakey Neff. So why didn't you guys move to show that? That doesn't seem like you guys. That seems out of the ordinary. You guys have, I mean, you put up a tent, a recreation of a tent that Charlie had died under for selfies.

It kind of feels like if you had the video, you would have shared it. And instead, you got angry at me when I suggested that you should share the video. And you accused me of being a psychopath with a gun or a knife, rather, on a subway. And that's why you couldn't share it. Okay, you don't need to share it with me, Blake. You should share it with people in the world because it just makes sense to do that. So, yeah, while we have your attention,

could you respond to that much more severe allegation rather than just responding to me telling the truth? Could you actually respond to me asserting that your own donors think that you may have used AI and then lied to the public because you wanted them to accept Erica in the role of Charlie Kirk? Any kind of response would be great here.

You could say that's not true. The donor's lying. He did say it. We do have the video. We just want to keep it in a vault. I wouldn't recommend you say that. That would be another stupid lie. Well, we kind of did say that.

But, yeah, if you could just respond to that, that'd be great. Anyway, on to greener pastures, I guess. Greener Pastures. Laura Lumer is trending for a tweet that she directed to me yesterday that upsets a lot of people. It upset them because it was just so shockingly dark and demonic. This is the tweet that I am referring to. That's trending.

It's directed to me after yesterday's episode. She said, God hate you at Real Candice. So it's why he gave Charlie to Erica and why you didn't even get to say goodbye to him. God hates you. Look in the mirror and internalize how much God hates you. We all hate you. Humanity hates you. You are irredeemable.

And this caused a reaction across the internet. I think like 6,000 people replied to that. tweet alone in a ratio. And I think, I was going, why are people surprised by this? And I realized they don't know who Laura Lumer is. And I think maybe these people don't take us literally when we say that Trump, that's one of his top advisors, is surrounded by people who are quite literally in need of an exorcism. I'm not saying that for dramatic effect. I am saying literally he is surrounding himself, people that have, are, I think, demonstrably. Right. That's a, that's what people were social. Like, that's just demonic. That's very straight. It doesn't hurt anybody's feelings. It makes me uncomfortable to be around you. That seems like you, you know, worship ball. That's why you would say something like that. That's very weird thing to say. And that's kind of what I'm trying to clue you guys into. That is why Laura Lumer has become significant because we can look at her to understand the erraticism of Donald Trump, our president. He doesn't seem like the same person. He seems as though he has been possessed. That's his top advice.

According to her, multiple times a day she speaks to him on the phone. One of the first phone calls he made after attacking Iran was to Laura Lumer. And so it was important for me to break down who she is and to make sure that you lower your expectations when it comes to people like her. Like I said, her goal is to harm people psychologically by lying, just by lying openly all the time. And I want you to know that in her own words, she has admitted to her addiction, which she has described as co-kewarm. to Spectator because she'll say, oh, it doesn't matter. This is this person's lying. Take Laura in her own words. In an article that was done by The Spectator here, which was called The Tale of Laura Lumer, which was published in 2019, where she described having anxiety and depression. She wrote, I had really bad anxiety and depression. And then I started to basically deal with depression by doing cocaine.

I was never a drug user before, but I was using cocaine to kind of deal with it. Laura was 23 years old. She continues, There were phases when I wouldn't sleep for three days straight, and one morning I woke up and drove myself to a cliff, and it was cold and kind of snowy outside. It was February. I tried to kill myself, like legitimately tried to kill myself, okay?

So you can understand why she's not allowed to own guns. Suicide is nothing to mock, but it is something that she uses as one of her tools. Often, like I told yesterday, she makes suicidal threats, and there is an aspect of her that feels very homicidal. I'm not being funny. I'm not trying to be ironic when I say that this is a person who should not have access to the president of the United States. And everybody sees that.

And the fact that people reflect and think if something happened to Trump, like I told you, people in, as I understand it, Melania's inner circle, have said this, that she would be the most likely person to harm Donald Trump. and what would be crazy in the retrospect is that the whole world would go, yeah, duh, duh. Like if she harmed a person, everyone would look around and go, every single sign was there, 50 states you can't own a gun in, things that you have said and shared about yourself,

threats that you have made to other people, the manner in which you attack children. Like she wants my children to suffer, as she said yesterday, She wants my children to suffer and live on the streets because she doesn't like that I'm against what Israel is doing. She's attacking my lawyers. She's attacking my in-laws. That is the kind of person who is dangerous to themselves and to others.

And so how did she deal with her cocaine addiction? If you're wondering why it seems like she tweets every five minutes and like she's deep in the throes of a manic episode, well, she explains in this article. I have nothing to lose now. And by the way, this is in the context of her having lost her Twitter access. This is, I have nothing to lose now, so it's liberating, she says. I became addicted to social media. I kind of lived off of the adrenaline.

It's not a very healthy lifestyle to live because when you stop using cocaine, for example, you learn to cope with anxiety and depression in other ways. I pretty much substituted my lows for adrenaline rushes on Twitter. When I got banned, I was honestly having withdrawals. Okay. So it's a drug for her.

Like Twitter is a drug for her. And that's why she tweets to the wee hours of the morning saying crazy things spiraling in these manic episodes. And so I just want to make that clear to you. These are the people. When you look at what Donald Trump is saying, what he is doing and why he does not seem like he is steady right now. Like he does not seem like there was a sane voice. He went from having the advice of people like Charlie Kirk. And radically flipped that to people like Laura Lumer and Paula White Cain.

Okay? This is a real clip of, of Laura Lumer when she did Alex Jones a few years ago. Take a listen. But what are they doing? I want to know what people are actually going to do. My life is ruined. Does anybody understand how ruined my life is? I'm sick of it.

I don't want to listen to people tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist. They don't know what it's like to be me. Life is ruined, Alex. So forget Laura Lumer. The question you should be asking yourself is, is Donald Trump mentally fit to be president? If he makes a conscious decision to tweet out that Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and Candice Owens are mentally ill,

while he invites into his inner circle advice about what he should do to Iran, a person like Laura Lumer, who, like I said, when we're calling her crazy and we're talking, this is a clinical diagnosis. It's not an opinion. It's not funny. We're not using the word loosely. This is a clinical diagnosis. I personally think that Trump needs an intervention. I don't think the backforth, when I see the erraticism of the way he tweets, it's almost as if he's given access to his truth socials to people like her. There is, there's just, there's an eroticism here that feels dangerous for our country, right? Like he doesn't, care anymore, that he's gotten to some point of desperation, whether he is functioning under duress, whether he is being blackmailed, I don't know. What I do know is this is not the Trump that we had for the first four years. And even if you have hated him from the very beginning, if you love the idea that the Republican Party is at war with each other, if you're still functioning within the left, right paradigm, you should pull yourself away and actually have a broader sense of concern for the

country and want there to be actually an intervention. You should pray for Donald Trump. You should want there to be a sane voice in the room. And at the moment, we're not getting that. And so that's what I just wanted to say is don't be surprised at what Laura Lumer is doing. Be surprised that she has the ear of the president of the United States. We'll be right back after a brief break. All right, you guys, let's talk about something most of us have never even heard of, but you should have. It is called C-15, a powerful essential fatty acid that research shows many are deficient in. That's why I have been taking a science-backed supplement designed to help optimize your C-15 levels, and it's called fatty 15. Fadi 15 repairs age-related damage to

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Yeah, it is going to be very interesting. I know a lot of people had looked into the judge and thought that it was very suspicious that he was appointed by Governor Cox and that he didn't have the background and the experience for a case of this side. there was something new about him. I never covered it. This will be the tell. Like I said, a continuance is just, it's basically like common courtesy in court. Like, unless you're, I could see

if you're like three years into something, you're like, no, no, no, I want this to move on with it. But seven months into the, like, the highest profile murder case since JFK, this is nothing. This is nothing to ask for it. Obviously, with the amount of stuff they have to look through, we looked, they dumped 600,000 files on them in March. and you're arguing this, that does not sit right with me, and it should not sit right with you, and if this judge does not grant this continuance after effectively ensuring them that when they rebutted immediately

to putting a date on the calendar because of this very thing, remember the defense said, let's not put a day on the calendar until we have our discovery stuff and we'll have a better idea. And the judge said, oh, no, it's all good, you know, par for the courses, we can always bump it down the line. If that judge now does a 180, if the court does a 180, and it's like actually we can't bump this anymore

because Erica has asserted her right as a victim we'll know. We already know. You know, we don't know-no, but we know. But I think that at that moment, we will know-no, what's really going on with this judge, and we will be locked in and covering it. Second top comment is from Faith Central.

She wrote a class action lawsuit should be filed against the FBI on behalf of Tyler Robinson, due to the FBI withholding evidence from the defense. Do you know what? I have thought about that. I have thought about what are the ways in which we can compel information on the outside?

Like, should we learn their way where everyone's like just suing and ceasing and desisting and should we learn their tools for compelling that sort of information? It's a conversation worth having and it's probably a conversation that I should have since I have so many lawyers all the time. I might as well toss them a question.

about what can we do to get answers, you know, from these organizations, from these people to get them to answer the basic questions that the public deserves to know. Because they, like I said, they brought to the public into this when they made the decision to assassinate Charlie Kirk publicly. Okay. They don't get to then tell us, oh, well, you shouldn't mind. On that note, I do want to say and put out an APB, I just have this deep question that deep consideration about what happened to Charlie's body. And I don't really buy the idea the reaction Erica had when somebody asked her a question

or why Fox News asked her that question. When they said, oh, like, she's like, can I have one thing for my kids? When they asked about where he was buried and there's like one thing for your kids, girl, you took us into the casket. Why do you care? Like highly unusual.

It would be highly unusual for people to be going around wanting to like dig up a casket or the person's the person is dead they're gone from this world there there does tend to be some basic reverence that people have and if there's not hey guess what you have a ton of money you could get security um to monitor for a little bit until it's out of the public conscience and i i had wondered because i learned early on that she had moved the body a couple of times and that doesn't sit right with me there was no reason to do that and i am wondering if they cremated Charlie's body. That's a guess or no question. You don't need to tell me where Charlie's body is. But did you cremate him? Yes or no. When the weather cools down,

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And so if you have information pertaining to that, if you have a yes or no answer to that, and at first his body was taken to a place that was a burial plus cremation services, and then it was taken somewhere else, and then it was taken to a third place. And I am just wondering whether or not Charlie was ever buried or whether or not he had a Catholic funeral mass and then he was cremated.

I think that's a fair question given where we are at in this investigation. It's a yes or no question. Was Charlie Kirk cremated? He was. We are just, we'll be in a whole new place, guys. We'll be in a whole new place. If you have information pertaining to that, more tips at candace owens.com. More tips at cancannisowens.com, we will protect your identity entirely.

You can trust us. We have protected our sources. From the very beginning, we still protect our sources. There has not been anyone. That has been outed as one of our sources. And if I was compelled to testify, I wouldn't because this matters to me. And I want to know whether or not Charlie was cremated. I find her reaction to be very strange, actually.

I don't think it was for her kids. I don't think she does anything for her kids. Just looking at everything, being frank. I don't think the priority for Erica is her kids where he's buried. That doesn't feel right. Anyway, getting into some of your comments from today's episode, keeping faith with Father Joseph writes, Candace, I have footage that could change the investigation.

DM me. Email it to us. I'll look out for that. More tips at canis Owens.com. Thank you. Bigfoot believer writes, When the investigation began, and you mentioned that you felt that the shot came from the left of Charlie.

I wonder if that is visible in Terrell's footage, which is why he zoomed. I have a big test tomorrow. Took a break to watch you. I need a bit of luck. Good luck on your test. Study hard, but don't study too hard because you get to that point where you're actually not even retaining any information. And it's best to study right before you go to sleep and then wake up fresh and a lot of

information will come to you. Alaska dog lady writes, everyone wants to make fun of us Catholics until they need an exorcism. I'm looking at you, Larry. Yeah, that she is very much in need of an exorcism. That's the only thing that can explain that. The places that her mind goes and she doesn't understand that that's not like a normal person doesn't get there. It's just weird. You don't get there. You don't want to harm kids. You don't want kids to like need to kids. I want our kids to live on the streets. It's like, okay, man, you're making everybody uncomfortable here. Spimer writes, Lumer's whiteboard notes are so sad. Blank days until election. Stay focused. No drama. Hit goals, victory. I need a registry

for all her supporters. I want to know which stupid people are even more stupid behind closed doors. Yeah, I mean, her whole life is Donald Trump. And she, if you go back and look at her tweet, it's not, you don't say, like, I love, like, she's like, I'm in love. I love. It's, it's giving fatal attraction. And I, Trump will knock it out of that with his hands clean. You don't get to make deals with devils and then think that you're not going to suffer down the line, right? The devil always collects. You want someone to do your dirty work, but be aware that they know your secrets. You don't think she's recording you, keeping a file on you. Like, that's, that will be something one day. And so the Trump family made a big mistake welcoming that in unstable is unstable.

Mentally insane is mentally insane. Ney writes, I'm wondering if Cash Patel's country singing superstar girlfriend will write some songs and perform them for us. at the show trial of a century. I'm wondering if she's maybe helping with the text messages. The bed slot messages. You know, there was this line that they added in now that people have been going through the affidavits, you know, they had some ellipses at various points

to the messages that we got, and they've added sentences. And one of them was, I hope, I'm not kidding, this is in Tyler Robinson's messages. I hope that pooch, referring to the dog, he said the canines were here, I hope that pooch has a best, Bad Sniffer.

That's what Tyler Robinson wrote to Lance. We're supposed to believe that. And I feel like that could be a country song. I was a new country they have bad sniffers. I mean, blinging, cash is me mer. I feel they were just kind of writing some music when they did those text messages. It's possible, right?

It's more plausible than what they're selling us right now. So I feel. And I feel like Cash Patel right now, suing, is it the Atlantic? because they said that he's a drunk, I actually feel like the Atlantic's argument should be that that makes him look good, right? It's much more damaging and defamatory

and mortifying to your brand to think that you're doing this in your sobriety, right? Drinking would be a great excuse for like an FBI, the head of the DOJ coming out and being like, my girlfriend's a sensational country. That's really mortifying. But if you're drunk, like, oh my God, What did I say last night?

Oh, my, I was crazy. No, I didn't mean that. I was just drunk guys. That was crazy. Oh, man. None of that's real. So I think he should go with that. I think he should go with excessive drinking.

The Atlantic should argue they were trying to make him look good and offer an explanation for the things that he has said and the things that he has done. And that the average person finds that to be good for him. That'd be better than him really in his sobriety doing some of these things. Anyways, that's my opinion. I'm sticking to it. Matthew writes, so Blake Knapp is brave enough to reply to you on X, calling you a liar, but won't come into your studio to prove you a liar.

Yeah, that doesn't sound childish and cowardice at all. Man up, Blake, L.O.L. Look, he doesn't have to come to my studio. Tech is just so easy. We can just appear on the Charlie Kirk show. He can just appear on the Candace show. I would welcome the conversation, particularly about the AI. I don't feel these donors are making that up.

They were pretty shocked. shocked to hear of it. It was the Aspen, a little retreat thing that it came from. They're certain that Charlie never said it. I would reply if I was turning point USA. We'll see. Tarka writes, Tarkaya writes, Laura Luma is very dangerous, especially if she has been given access anywhere near the president of the United States. Yeah, he's just playing with fire. Play, play, play, play, and then it burns down your whole house. I don't know. I'm not his other advisors. So you just have to have to let happen what is going to happen. And we'll see. We'll see what happens. Anyway, you guys, I will tomorrow, we will have an interview for you with Corby Hall. Yes, I am very excited about this. Obviously, you know, Victor Marks did not want to join with

Corby Hall. So we kept our appointment with Corby Hall and you'll be able to hear his story about what Victor Marks had to say. Victor Marks is saying all of these demands. I'll do it. I get to bring my way. Okay, no, okay, you can just join the show. Victor Marks, be normal. going to let Corby tell his piece and present his evidence. And then you can similarly tell your piece and you can present your evidence. Don't get to bring your wife and list all of these terms of engagement. Just I'll give you a dial-in. How about that? I feel like that's probably the most appropriate thing, given some more stuff that I have learned about you and Jimmy Barbecue. Guys, this is going to sound crazy, but Jimmy Barbecue is watching the show. I don't know what to

say. I'm a big deal in Haiti. That's why I want you guys to know. I'm a very big deal in Haiti. I got some boys out in Haiti. So nobody better mess with me, okay? Nobody better mess with me is what I'm going to say. So you just be careful what you're saying at this toddler park, Cabot Phillips. You just be careful because I'm out of my boot and I got some people in Haiti, okay? And they'll take care of business for me. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

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