Candace - REVEALED! Trump Scolded Charlie Kirk Over Epstein. Butler Narrative Collapses. | Ep 348

Episode Date: June 13, 2026

Tucker does an interview with Mario Nawfal which has us questioning the Butler shooting narrative, Dan Bongino rants about Tucker's claims, and we receive a weird update regarding our FOIA request to SAM 702: Bradley Hansell. 00:00 - Start. 01:24 - Tucker questions Butler. Dan Bongino melts down. 14:36 - Trump's angry call to Charlie the summer before he died. 19:41 - Erika's flip flop on Israel. 41:19 - We get a strange response to our FOIA request. 51:33 - Larry Loomer's RECEIPTS trend on X, Erika cries again. 56:19 - Comments & final thoughts. PreBorn!​ To donate, dial #250 and say they keyword “BABY" or by visiting https://preborn.com/candace Dose​ ​ Get 35% off your first month subscription with promo code CANDACE at http://www.DoseDaily.co/Candace Cozy Earth​ ​ Head to http://www.cozyearth.com and use my code CANDACE for an exclusive 20% off. Home Title Lock​ ​ Go to https://hometitlelock.com and use promo code CANDACE25 to get 25% off up to two years of Million Dollar Triple Lock Protection and a FREE title history report! ZeroGhost​ Visit http://www.ZeroGhost.com/Candace and use code CANDACE for $50 off your order. Candace Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@ClipsCandaceOwens Candace Official Website: https://candaceowens.com Candace Merch: https://shop.candaceowens.com Candace on Apple Podcasts: https://t.co/Pp5VZiLXbq Candace on Spotify: https://t.co/16pMuADXuT Candace on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/RealCandaceO Candace en Español: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnEspanol Candace Owens em Português: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensemPortugues Candace Owens en Français: https://www.youtube.com/@CandaceOwensEnFrançais Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Shop now at performance.ca.3-day sale. Driven by Performance Auto Group. All right, you guys, a happy rare Friday. This feels like it's going to be a special episode because we don't normally do Fridays. And since we were off on Monday, because I got hit with jet lag pretty badly, we figured that we'd give you a late evening episode. I had a very, very long press day today. So pardon me for running a bit behind schedule.

But I'm glad we opted to do this Friday show because boy, oh boy, did a lot escalates yesterday evening over on X. I mean, Tucker did this interview with Mario Nafel. And it's got me really wondering about Butler. Butler. Was it staged? I think that's now a very fair question to ask. Did you guys think it was suspected any moment that it was staged?

I certainly didn't. It was definitely something that I was reticent to even consider before. And if it was staged by whom exactly? On that note, we received a very bizarre response regarding our FOIA request to Sam 702. That's that Fort Wachuca plane that was carrying one person that we can identify, Bradley Hansel, the Undersecretary of War, just under Pete Hegeseth. So let's just jump right back in. Welcome back to Candace. All right. I'm just kind of taking this informal poll here in the chat. And a lot of people are saying, yes, stage, yes, staged, absolutely staged. But a lot of people also saying, I didn't think it was staged when it happened. And that's where I was. I just, I don't know. I was totally captivated by it. was saddened by it. I wanted Trubb to win because of this assassination attempt. And I don't know

where I sit right now, given this conversation that was started by Tucker Carlson yesterday. So let's just right at the top here show you the clip that went absolutely viral yesterday over on X. Tucker was joined by Mario Nafel. And here is what he had to say regarding the first assassination attempt. I can't believe I'm saying the first assassination attempt of President Trump. Trump, which took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Take a listen. About Butler, I know that Trump shut down the investigation into Butler. That is a fact. Dan Buncino told me that when he worked at the FBI. And Dan Buncino himself was terrified when I spoke to him in December. It's such a long boring story, but basically I came into

possession, I beg your pardon, of accidentally came into possession of a lot of the social media posts that we were told didn't exist that were posted by Thomas Crooks in the months and years before the shooting. And I was amazed that the FBI had lied about this. So I called Cash Patel and I later called Dan Bongino and I says, you know, what is this? I'm not attacking you. It was the previous FBI administration that did this. It was Chris Ray. But what is this? And Dan Bongino became hysterical with me on the phone. I've known Dan a long time for many years and always got along with him, you know, whatever his faults. Say, you know, nice guy.

Certainly very nice to me. I never had a problem with Dan ever. And that problem began when I brought this information to his attention. And he became a different person. He was clearly terrified. I didn't get it at first, but he was hysterical. And ultimately, after a long series of text exchanges, which I still have, and phone conversations, he said, look, take it up with Trump.

He's the one who shut down the investigation. And that was, I think, the first. second week of December. I think it was the beginning of the second week of December. I have it written down. But that was the moment and I realized, oh, wow. You know, there's no good explanation for shutting down an investigation into your own attempted murder.

Like, this is not what we've been told it was. Okay. So a lot to unpack there. The first thing I thought when I saw this was, wait, what? Trump was the person who shuts down the investigation into his own assassination attempt. What does that mean? And then,

I saw Dan Bongino's response. So just to recap what we just heard there, Tucker says he reached out to Dan Bonino because they had been friends for a long time. He reached out to Cash Patel because he was working on a story. That story was that we, the people, what was communicated to us was that this Matt Crooks character, Matthew Crooks had absolutely no, or Thomas Crooks, Matthew Crooks, had absolutely no social media history. And it turned out, but he had a very long, extensive social media history and the FBI was aware of this. So he reaches out and he says, look, you guys weren't involved.

But what is this? Why are we being lied to you? You guys are certainly in power now. And he says that Dan Bongino grew hysterical. And he says that Dan Bongino was terrified. My understanding, and I think any rational person's understanding of what he means,

is that this story, the Butler story, perhaps the Butler cover up, whatever it is, terrified Dan Bongino and terrified Cash Patel. Totally believable just looking at Cash Patel. He constantly looks like he is in a state of terror. And this is how Dan Bongino chose to respond to Tucker saying that Dan was terrified. Take a listen.

I'm not, this is not a pretend tough guy act. I'm a 51-year-old man with decaying joints. I don't plan on fighting anyone in the UFC. There's no, violence is never the answer to anything. I'm not interested in any of that. But I'm going to tell you straight, if you think I was terrified of Tarlson, then I'm really sorry, like, you need to take yourselves as annex and go find a doctor, right?

That's, of all the things, like, that's the most hilarious. However, accusing me and the president of a federal crime obstructing justice, bizarrely, the president involved in covering up the investigation into his own attempted murder is seriously one of the most delusional things I've ever seen. And the reason I'm really starting to believe, and I mean this sincerely, that Tucker's just dumb. I don't have any.

He doesn't realize, like, I have these texts, too. Well, quite a time to call Tucker dumb when you completely misunderstood the context of what he met when he said you were terrified. I don't think Tucker wants to fight you. Tucker wears boat shoes. He gives me Martha Vineyard vibes. He's definitely wasn't saying he wanted to fight you.

He's saying something. scared you and something that you saw scared you, let's cool it with the aggressive nature of wanting to beat up Tucker Carlson. Like, doesn't make you sound top 51. Oh, beat him up. Okay. Then on top of that, he completely misunderstands everything Tucker said. Tucker was very clear that he spoke with Dan in December. And Dan thinks that he has a ha ha, gotcha. I'm going to prove that Tucker is stupid by showing an article that was published before him and Tucker spoke. He shows an article from November,

which is completely irrelevant to everything that Tucker just said. Take a listen. He says that the president shut down the Butler investigation. Totally, completely 100% made up. But we did a full interview with Brooke Singman from Fox,

which to all the people who, by the way, think Tucker's for real, if you think I'm doctoring any of this, please go look this article up yourself. don't trust me, trust the evidence. Here it was November 21st, even before Tucker says he spoke to me in December. Exclusive.

FBI concludes Trump shooter crooks acted alone after unprecedented global investigation. Now, he says the investigation was shut down. Yet here it is on the record in November. Again, the Tucker fans will apologize for him until the end of time because they just can't give up the Kool-Aid. Let me read this to you in case you're a Tucker fan.

who can't read. The case, that's the crooks case, he says, was shut down, currently sits in a pending inactive status. Wait, keep this up. Andy, does that say the case is closed? Andy Shaker said, Jasmine, does that say that? It does not. No.

It says the opposite. This is before Tucker claims he talked to me. Yeah. But the official, this is one of the investigators, called the investigation, one of the largest mobilizations of FBI resources in history, that continued to this day. Yeah, Dan, we can come out of this. Dan, it's because Tucker spoke to you after that.

So if the investigation was open before he spoke to Tucker and Tucker says he spoke to in December, everything you're saying doesn't make sense. But beyond that, his whole face, his demeanor, he's lying. I mean, Dan Bongino is just lying. That's my, how I'm reading him. He's not making any sense. He wants to fight. It's aggressive.

And Tucker made a statement that he had multiple conversations with him. Dan appeared terrified. Tucker said it was both on the phone and via text. and he conveyed to him that it was the president who didn't want information to come out. And then Dan proves Tucker's point by showing a text message in which Dan instructs to Tucker

that if you want more information about Butler, then you need to ask Trump to tell us to release it, meaning that there was more information about Butler that Trump did not want released. Take a listen to Dan Bongino, pull the Paramount Not So Tactical. Take a listen. Here's the other text.

where I actually go on to further make the case next, to him. He said, I hope you had the chance, Tucker said, to see the piece on crooks. We received some information and a planning of detailed follow-up. Is there someone I can talk to with the FBI before we do? Thanks. I said, I saw it and that you seem to believe that Cash and I, who were a longtime personal friends with the president, involved in some sinister cover-up is absurd.

I thought he said we were covering it up. Yet in my text, leave this up, guys. I'm saying the exact opposite, Jess, am I not? It's almost like he's bullshit in you again. Is the president in honor two I asked? He's one of the victims. He's told us repeatedly, as he said publicly, he's satisfied with the effort cash and I put in. The president's a victim in a federal crime. And when he's ready for us to release more information about this crime, then I'll tell us. I suggest you give him a ring and tell him you want more. Let me know what

he says. He's a member of the media. People call him all the time. Okay, so if, Dan, if the president could be called and could be told to instruct you to release more information, then there's more information that the president is aware has not been released to the public. That's everything Tucker just said, and you don't realize that you're confirming his report by accident. Now, I am now of the position that something is very wrong with Butler. And whatever it is that is wrong with Butler, it may go a very long way in terms of explaining what is wrong with Trump, what went wrong with Trump.

because we have two options here, okay? If you almost get assassinated and you do not fire the secret service agents that failed to protect you on that day, they moved you off the stage, but certainly failed to protect you on that day and see somebody on the rooftop. And then beyond that, you determine that you are satisfied with the investigation and you allow lies to come out about the investigation or lies to remain about the investigation, saying that the person who allegedly fired the shots had no social media background. And then you withhold information from the public. We only have two options to consider. The first thing is that the entire thing was staged and Trump was involved.

Trump knew it was going to happen. And he allowed the entire assassination attempt to take place, thereby thrusting him into this category where all of us went, oh, there must have been a reason that God saved him. I'm not inclined to believe that option, okay? The second option is that it was a real assassination attempt. It actually had nothing to do with the person that it was blamed on. And Trump did escape with his life and it was a warning. Do not ever do, you know, whatever it is, like a gangster sort of warning.

And I am inclined to believe that that is what happened. this would completely transform Trump. It would transform. It would make him obey. It's like a gangster. Basically, you take money from a gangster. You take hundreds of millions of dollars from a gangster. They fire a warning shot.

Maybe because, you know, you willy-nilly said in front of Charlie Kirk and Andrew Colvette that you were going to take somebody's money and then F them over, not knowing that that information got back to some people. And you escape with your life. And after that, you just did whatever these people said. I'm just thinking here because I believe Tucker is telling the truth. And Dan's entire face and demeanor and panic and yelling and threatening to fight signals to me that Tucker is telling the truth.

That Tucker told him on the phone that it was Trump himself that shut down this investigation. Okay. That is what is being reflected to me in the worst poker face that I've ever seen in Dan Bonjino. He can't even think rationally. He's just angry and wants to fight because he's been exposed. Okay. If that version of events is true, if Trump survived an assassination attempt, and then the gangsters came to him and said, you do whatever we say. Now, well, that could bring up, bring us to a sort of logical explanation as to Trump's behavior thereafter because I believe that Trump betrayed Charlie Kirk by a similar lack of investigation into who killed Charlie Kirk. He betrayed himself and he betrayed Charlie Kirk. And if the same people were involved in both,

which I think there is an indication, I think many of us suspect that the same people could be involved in both, then you could see how easily that might keep Trump in line because I think Trump is very vain. And even though he is old, he is not trying to be a hero. And his option is,

we'll keep you alive and will make you so rich and your family so rich and you'll have land and you'll have your name on buildings forever. Trump's taking that option, right? He would rather take I'll be alive for a couple of more years and very wealthy rather than to sacrifice his life doing the right thing. Him and Charlie had different character, which brings us to a rather explosive piece that was published in the New York Times yesterday. This was also trending. This is inside the White House freak out over the Epstein files.

Now, I am not a normal consumer of the New York Times, obviously. I don't really read much of the media anymore because of how many lives. have been told. But this piece, it was very obvious that it was well sourced. And I'll get into my opinion, which is that Dan Bongino was one of the sources. And I'll tell you why I think that in a bit. But revealed in this piece was a relevant portion about Charlie Kirk. In summation, it's about how Trump really did not want the Epstein files to be investigated. Now, there are two takes on this. Some people think that it is because he's in them. I don't doubt that Trump had some sort of a business relationship with Epstein. It makes perfect sense to me when you understand Epstein's

business model, right? What did Epstein do? He was involved in a trafficking ring. He trafficked weapons. He trafficked people. He did it on behalf of the state of Israel. We have another Israel theme. Charlie Kirk, I'm turning away from Israel. Donald Trump, I'm going to screw over Miriam Edelson. Shortly thereafter, an assassination attempt happened. And now we have Trump in a full panic at the White House over the Epstein files and him having to do anything to shut down that investigation. So we learn that just in the midst of Charlie's Sass, the Student Action Summit, where we have been telling you over and over again according to our timeline, it seems to us that after Tucker took the stage at Sass, Tucker Carlson took the stage at Sass,

instructions went out to kill Charlie Kirk. That's just what the timeline tells us. Like if we're just looking at it like a story, things got weird after Tucker hit the stage. We have said this from the very beginning since we mapped out this. timeline. Well, it turns out Tucker spoke on July 11th, and on July 12th, Charlie received a phone call from the president. Here's what the New York Times article tells us. It reads, quote, on July 12th, the president took to truth social to defend Pam Bondi against criticism and to urge his boys and gals to stop wasting time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about.

Trump told AIDS that he was very unhappy with some of his most influential supporters, including Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson. and Megan Kelly, all of whom were publicly urging the administration to come clean. Kirk had held a Turning Point USA event the previous day that turned into an Epstein grievance fest with one speaker after another bashing Bondi over her handling of the situation. Trump had called Kirk and scolded him. Okay. Couple of things happening here.

Why would Donald Trump, the president of the United States, call Charlie Kirk to scold him because people on stage are calling out a child rapist. Make it make sense. I'm open to other ideas. I don't want to be a conspiracy. Make that make that make sense. There was mass panic. We have covered this.

Charlie lost millions and millions of dollars on stage from his pro-Israel donors over Tucker calling out Epstein. Megan Kelly talked about Epstein. So this is perfectly tracking with what we know went down. And Charlie held the line. By and large, held the line. They wanted him to cancel Tucker. They were angry that in particular that he had, Tucker Carlson had asked where Bill Ackman's money comes from. It's kind of like one of those Epstein-esque

questions where it's like, people get really rich when you start looking into it. It doesn't really make sense where their money is coming from. There was masked Zionist panic. Again, we have the theme of Israel. So let's plot that on our timeline because I remembered something that's bothering me. Okay. July 11th to July 13th, 2025, we know that that's the Student Action Summit, Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Tampa, Bay, Florida. Charlie's first speech at 4 p.m. On Friday, his last speech concludes at 1.10 p.m. on Sunday. Okay. July 11th is the day that Tucker Carlson delivered that speech. Charlie tells him to go max. Despite the fact that donors are freaking out, he tells him to go max. Okay.

He calls out Jeffrey Epstein. He says that the people who serve in foreign armies should be stripped of their citizenship, and he muses about where Bill Ackman's wealth comes from. On July 12th, according to the New York Times, President Trump, calls Charlie Kirk angrily, and he scolds him about SAS calling it an Epstein grievance best. What does this have to do with you, Trump? What does it have to do with you? Who is telling you to call Charlie and scold him? Now, there's only two options. One, the gangsters that you took money from are telling you to call Charlie and put an end to it, because, because Epstein worked for Israel.

Or two, you're in the Epstein file. So there's no in between. You don't just call someone to scold them about bringing up, being aggrieved by a child rapist. Everyone should be aggrieved by a person who harms children. If you're not, we're not on the same team. Okay? This July 14th date,

Erica travels aboard a private flight to Long Beach, California. She's got Catherine Locastro. It's a young woman who works turning point USA, was at one point Mikey McCoy's assistant Derek Nacirk, who's a bodyguard, Jonathan Barcelo, who is a Marine, and she speaks at James Caddus's Calvary Chapel Church. Now, James Caddus is that icky guy who is Egyptian and runs Turning Point USA Faith. We need to look into James Caddus. I've received so many emails about him, radically pro-Israel. She speaks at their Women's Summer of Psalm Retreat. And there was something bothering me about this speech.

Forever, it's being like, this speech is really weird because she says in the speech that this was her Sunday church. Okay, we know Erica bounces. Sometimes she's Catholic. Sometimes she's, you know, Jewish. Sometimes she's Judeo-Christian. And this day she was Calvary Chapel. Okay. But it was bizarre to me because when James Cadd has teased up the speech, he goes on about like pro-Isrio, pro-Irido.

And I was like, there's something really bothering me about Basama timeline. And the first and foremost, I realize, Erica didn't show up to SAS, which was unusual. Then she gets in a plane. She knows her husband is being a grieve. She knows her husband is under pressure from Israel. She knows her husband is losing millions from Israel. And yet she gets on stage. She gets this pro-Israel intro from James Caddus and then talks about, you know,

how there's always war in Israel because Israel is great or whatever and says that this speech is sort of a call to arms. putting it in the context of women and dating and whatever. I'll let you take a little listen to this portion of her speech. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if. Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit wayfair.ca. Wayfair, every style, every home. And interestingly enough in the history of Israel, as many of you guys know, because I know you guys go to a biblically based church. So, You understand this, that the record of Israel is that there is constant invasion and warfare

in the promised land. Because of this, the land rarely has a chance to flourish uninterrupted. And every so often when a king rises up, they unify their people, they fend off the enemies, and for a brief moment, the people can finally enjoy peace. And it's not the peace that their military brings. it's the only type of peace that that God can grant true, true peace where there's lasting prosperity and the people can flourish. And so the theme of Psalm 144 is this, praise and prayer to God because of who he is, not just what he gives.

So again, this Psalm is, it's a battle song. It's a call to arms, but it's also a call to trust, and it's a call to worship, and it's a call to prepare. Okay. call to arms, call to worship, call to trust, called to understand that there's conflict in Israel at all times. And this is like, you know, post-genocide. So I don't love that. But there was still something that was gnawing at me

beyond the fact that, like I said, James Caddus is this like Egyptian pastor that's like radically pro-Israel that she does a lot of work with. And he's very involved in Turning Point USA. This is literally his prayer you video. I'm an Egyptian pastor who supports Israel. And finally it dawned on me.

Okay. I'm going to explain to you. Next up on our timeline. So she gives the speech, irrespective of what our husband's literally going through at this exact same time, donors pulling out, yelling at him as soon as he gets off stage, he's telling Tucker to Go Max anyways, the president of the United States is calling him. This is his wife. She knows this all going on, okay? If anybody's beefing with my husband, I'm the enemy. Like, I'm, like,

with my husband 100%. There's no halfway with that. I'm not going to say something cute to you. I'm going to be, like, off the Israel train immediately. Right after this on July 18th, That's when the request goes in for UVU. We still don't know who submitted that request. I told you it has literally never happened that you instantly get a spot, the first spot of a semester tour. There's such a long waiting list to have Charlie go speak at their schools, but they suddenly made one.

It's this July 20th thing that it suddenly dawned on me, what was bothering me about Erica being introduced pro-Israel and being pro-Israel on stage in the midst of everything Charlie was going through. July 20th-ish, Charlie vacationed in Maine for a couple of weeks. Okay, so let's just say from July 20th to July 30th, he went off radar. And this is when Mikey McCoy and Elizabeth McCoy joined them for the first time on vacation. And they capture all these images that we're then going to see as soon as Charlie's assassinated, these images of him walking with Erica, like, you know, just kind of, oh, this is a happy couple.

And then right after, in the midst of this, the same two weeks, Y Refi comes in as the number one sponsor for Charlie Kirk's Fall tour. This is a total Israel-coded company. And it was weird because they had already signed a contract from January through December for all their events, but now they doubled down what catalyzed that like sudden addendum to their contract. Like, yes, we want more. We're going to come in for this speaking tour that you're now going to do and the first one's going to be at UVU and me, the CEO is going to travel with you at this event. Okay, that seems a bit weird. and then it dawned on me, I totally forgot something, okay? And I'm just going to have to ask Tucker for forgiveness for sharing this

because I knew that there was something bothering me about this Maine vacation. I had a baby, and I think I blacked out after trial assassination and didn't remember that I went up to Maine too. I went up to Maine with my husband in July, okay? My son was born on May 1st. We were off air, and then the first thing I did was I went with my newborn Roman and my husband up to Maine to do Tucker's show. And I did an interview and I genuinely forgot about this. Like I genuinely forgot about this and we went in on the topic of Israel.

I'm just going to show you a little 10 second clip here so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about. Since the 80s, Jeffrey Epstein has been working for Israel. I don't know how I know that and Trump and Pambandi don't, but they got to bring me in. Like I might have some evidence here, right? It's like, so it's, we're getting to a point now. You're going to have tough confirmation hearings. I just, I just want them to say F you. Like seriously, that would feel better at this point if they just came out and said, F you, Nettibu, you can't touch us. We rule over you. Ha ha. That would feel at least authentic going back to the Taylor-Lerun's thing. You know, I'd be like, I really don't like that, but at least it's authentic and I know you mean it

and it's true. all totally fair does any of I mean to the extent that we can project forward and guess does any of this come out I mean to a greater extent that it has I mean is there ever like a public resolution of this story?

No because Israel's controlling our government so no the answer is no Trump is powerless against him we haven't had I don't think we've been a sovereign nation since they shot JFK and when I say they people online say what do you mean by they?

I'm talking about Israel I don't want you guys to like you know read it between them like talking about Israel. So like let's stop making that a taboo subject because they've gone masked down. Everything they're doing is demonic. I want nothing to do with it. I will never support Israel into the future after what they've done to these children, the starvation campaign. I don't care. I promise you, I forgot that. I forgot that I had this, I forgot that I went up to Maine until I was looking at this Erica speech and I was like, I know what is bothering me about the

speech. What's bothering me about the speech is that when I got off air with Tucker, obviously you just have chatter, like just chatter in the air, like about everything you just discussed. And what's happening and everything we said there. We're talking about Epstein. And Tucker said to me, and I'm obviously, I'm not going to get this verbatim, but he was like, yeah, he talked about a SaaS speech. And he just said, they're like, you know, taking money from Charlie because of this whole speech. And I was like, yeah, you know, Charlie's kind of coming over to our side. He's really had an awakening about this. It's crazy that I forgot this. But it's the second part of what he said to me. He said, I just had dinner with him and Erica. They were just.

just here. I think he said like last night. I kid you not. It was, they were just there in Maine having dinner with Tucker. I remember this. I am 1,000% certain days within me. It was like Charlie was there and then I was there. And he had dinner with Erica and he said something, which is the reason why I was happy when they announced that Erica was going to be CEO because before we could have ever known that Charlie was going to be assassinated as we were sitting here in Maine talking about Israel and Epstein and what the pressure that Charlie was under. Tucker was like, I absolutely love Erica. He said this publicly a thousand times, so I'm not revealing anything here. And he was like, she is like hardcore on the anti-Israel train. And that she had gone in on dinner about everything

and that, you know, this is who, this is who Erica was. And I was like, oh, wow. Like, I actually never got to spend that kind of time with her. Like, I know, I know Charlie's coming over the side, but I never really speak to Erica like that. And they had had this dinner in the midst of all of this ass stuff and I happened to be in Maine. And when I look at that and I plot that on the timeline, it convinces me that Erica is a psychopath. Genuinely convinces me that Eric is a psychopath. And please Tucker, forgive me. I had to share that. I know you like her. I know you're a fan of Erica. I know we have different opinions and different perspectives. But this doesn't make sense. This does not make sense that Erica gets on stage and is pro-Israel blinks and is at dinner and is

anti-Israel, more anti-Israel than Tucker. I mean, then Charlie, as we're talking about all this Epstein stuff, and Charlie's under pressure. And then as soon as Charlie passes away, she's up on stage with Barry Weiss saying anybody doesn't support Israel has brain rot. That's a psychopath. That is somebody who can be someone else in every room. And we have told this story over and over again about Erica.

She literally just commutes her entire personality, depending on who she's in front of. Like, there is no personality. It's who is the audience. I'm a Catholic if I'm in the back of a church and I'm with this donor who's got a lot of money and Stacey taps on their shoulder and I share how Charlie was about to become Catholic and then the woman, as I shared with you guys, gets on a plane, brings back a relic of St. Michael because Erica's so hardcore Catholic.

And then she blinks and she instructs Andrew Colvettes to deny what I said about Charlie in the Catholic Church. like literally the next week she okays Alex Clark coming out and saying I'm a liar Erica's a psychopath I am this this is like it just dawned on me

she was playing this game while Charlie was alive and if I didn't do this timeline if I didn't remember that I was in Maine having this casual conversation when everybody was friends and Charlie was alive and Charlie was under a lot of pressure

I would have I probably would not have reflected on this little tidbit that proves that Erica's a psychopath. She's not, she wasn't a grieving widow in August and July. Okay. She wasn't a grieving widow. She was a manipulative psychopath who puts on a different outfit, a different costume depending on what play she has to put on. Okay. That's, that's just like an established fact that Erica is, she has demonstrated over and over again

the attributes of a psychopath. I'm with Tucker. I'm anti-Israel. I'm with Barry Weiss. People who don't support Israel have brain rot. I'm with an Egyptian pastor. I love Israel. There's conflict here because of a call to arms.

That's not normal. How weird if you had learned that after doing this podcast, I was just yucking it up with Ben Shapiro, talking about how much of love is Yamika growing? You'd be like, that's weird. And oh, I was like, oh, gosh, these like terrible Palestinians, they don't have a right to any land. Who are they? They don't even exist. Palestine doesn't exist. That would register to you that I was a psychopath because it's hard to do that. It's hard to perform in front of people. I don't understand genuinely, genuinely, how Tucker can like her. I don't. I don't. And maybe it's because he is usually off on a boat fishing, doesn't watch a lot of podcasts, highly doubt that he is watching.

the timeline and the conflicting Erica's. She does it all the time. She's a graduated school. She's not graduate school. Everything she says is in conflict, the thing that she said yesterday, because there is no personality. Elizabeth Lane clocked her correctly.

She is whatever she needs to be on her way to empowerment. She was not a grieving widow. So I'm going to have to politely request that you already shut up in trying to defend why it would be that she was being two different people within one week when she should have just been anti

because of how her husband was being treated behind the seeds. Okay? Just got to get that off my chest. What follows that is August 5th to 6th, the Hampton's Retreat. I mean, this timeline's crazy to look at to me. Now, crazy. Hampton's Retreat, Intervention, the influencer sponsored by Bill Ackman,

who just was mentioned on stage about the Epstein stuff, not about the Epstein stuff, pardon me, but in relation to him asking questions, Tucker asking questions about Israel and where certain money's coming from, he brings up Bill Ackman, his wealth. This also caused panic on the back end. This is Charlie Summit that Charlie himself described as an intervention that Erica was present at,

but she would allow people to lie. Bibi calls him, offers to take turning point to the next level in exchange for what we still don't know, but Charlie declines. Charlie says no to Beebe. Trump, I believe, said yes. Trump said yes.

Charlie said no. My opinion, I'm sticking to it. Especially after reading that Epstein piece. Especially after what Tucker has revealed about Butler. This is all Israel coded. It makes sense. It is in our face. The puzzle has been coming together forever.

It's the very first thing they lied about was to protect Israel. No one would have cared if this opinion was shifting on Israel because it could just be, that's allowed, but all the lies that were told about it, yeah, that means it's a clue. Then August 15th, Erica goes to the Aspen investor retreat, but she doesn't actually go to the meeting, even though she's, I guess, going to be CEO or whatever. And Charlie just appoints Erica a couple of weeks before he dies, changing his mind on everything he's ever said, every position he's ever held about women. That's not right, okay?

that timeline is not right. We're already at 36 minutes. I haven't even gotten to telling you about the FOIA response. You know, Don, let's take a quick break here. We'll go to ads and then we'll come back and discuss Bradley Hansel and this bizarre response that we got back. We'll be right back. All right, you guys, right now there is a new generation of mothers and fathers that are rising up, parents who want to be there for their children, build strong families, and create a future that's filled with compassion,

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because just as Elizabeth Lane spelled out when she wrote that really long tweet about what makes people uncomfortable, is that she doesn't know, her face doesn't know how to match the expressions, the feelings that she's having. She doesn't know how to behave normally. A sociopath can do that.

They can, like, you know, emulate humanity. They would know, like, maybe six days after your husband gets shot in the neck, you shouldn't be able to jump on a Zoom call. You don't have to have guidance or PR to tell you that that's not normal. Beyond that, she was in the office immediately. Within two days, Erica was back in the office walking around, bringing her kids there.

That's a psychopath to be able to just like float between emotions but also to not understand human emotions. In every room, Erica is someone different, the ability to lie to my face in the way that she lied to my face about saying that Andrew Colvent went rogue. me discovering this like random conversation that I had with Tucker remembering this random conversation like genuinely my little sister she told me obviously what I was not eating I was not sleeping after child got killed and then I was like almost tricking myself into believing that he might be alive like going genuinely going through every stage including bargaining and thinking he was actually being held somewhere and maybe in like protection because Trump would not let this happen whatever. And my sister said to me, she's like, when you experience something like this,

you know, somebody that you know, someone that you're close to dying and where they died, like it damages your brain. Like you're not even, I can't remember certain things that happened right after. And I totally forgot that I went to Maine. Like I have been doing this timeline forever. I've been wondering, like trying to figure out like, oh, when were they in Maine, when they were in Maine? And then suddenly it dawned on because you were in Maine. You were in Maine. And you just, like, I promise you, Tucker must have said, I just, I just. I just. just had dinner, like the night before with Charlie and Erica, or two nights before Charlie and Erica, like, I just came in. I might have even, like, texted Charlie to see if he was still

in Maine. I have to check. And it just dawned on me that that's what is weird. Erica was anti-Israel. And that is the reason why I was relieved when I, because I instantly thought things were weird and that other people were involved in his assassination, didn't think his wife. But I was like, great, at least Erica will be skeptical of these people. And this girl was like, hey, Barry, Hey, Ben, you want to open at Amfest? We're going big. We're going into a deeper partnership with international fellowship of Christian and Jews. The company, we blinked and the company turned into APEC under Erika's stewardship. And she was not under duress. She's not under duress. She's operating behind the scenes and calling all the shots. So I just need to express again that

I truly believe she's a psychopath. I truly believe that the signs were there leading up the Charlie's assassination before she was a widow. Moving on to Bradley Hansel, okay? So just to remind you, he is Trump's appointed undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security, one of the Pentagon's top intelligence officials responsible for overseeing defense intelligence and security matters all across the DOD.

Okay? We have been asking this question, what exactly was he doing at Fort Huachuca in September just before Charlie's assassination? Now, Fort Huachuka is not just some army base. a major hub for military intelligence. Cyber operations could make sense that he's there, obviously, networks and intelligence surveillance, reconnaissance. And we were able to determine that he was on this multi-leg trip that revolved around Fort Huachuca. It just raises a lot of questions about who he

was meeting with, right? On these dates that we were interested in because of the meeting that Mitch Snow stumbled upon, which we have proved. He stumbled upon a meeting. We cannot yet definitively state that he saw who he saw. He believes he saw Brian Harpole. We have not seen any evidence to the contrary, despite openly and kindly reaching out to Brian Harpole asking for that information. What we got was a lawsuit, okay? Anyways, this is Bradley Hansel's itinerary for you guys,

so that you guys tracking this can take a look. And to see where he went, he went from Joint Base Andrews in Maryland, obviously that's right outside of D.C. and then he flew to Colorado Springs. And he went from Colorado Springs and flew to Tucson, Arizona, the Air Force Base at Davis Monthan. And then he flew from Tucson to Fort Huachuca

on a most crucial date, September 8th. Okay? So this raises two obvious questions. Why the stop, the brief stop in Tucson, when Fort Huachuca is just, just like 50 miles away from Tucson, by the way. Who did he pick up? That's a pickup, right?

I would assume that's a pickup. Who did Bradley Hansel pick up to continue to Fort Huachuca on September 8th? The very next day on the 9th, that's the day where that meeting allegedly concluded that Mitch Snow saw. That same plane then flies from Fort Huachuca to El Paso and arrives at 1.20 p.m. local remains on the ground for four hours and 10 minutes, and then it returns back to joint-based Andrews just outside of D.C. Who did he drop off in Texas? That's another question, right? These are registering to me, like pick up and drop-offs.

Maybe he's landing for a meeting. Who's in those meetings? Now, the timing of this makes Fort Huachuca stand out as the center of the trip, for one, because Bradley Hansel remained on the ground the longest there. For 19 hours, that's the longest hop in his trip. He opted to stay overnight at Fort Huachuka before departing. the next day for El Paso. He did a quick little 20-minute helicopter tour of the border on that morning as well before he departed for El Paso. What was he doing there on the 8th? What was he doing there on the morning of the 9th? For comparison, when I say that was a very long stay there relative to the rest of his trip, in Tucson and El Paso, he was only on the ground for four hours, okay? Four-hour ground stop. And then he's on for a very long time he's at Fort Huachuca. Colorado Springs was the second longest overnight stop. That was 16 hours, okay? Also, of course,

September 8th is significant because it's the day that Mitch Snow is convinced that he saw Erica Kirk at Fort Huachuca leaving a hotel. Okay. Well, what hotel did Bradley Hansel stay at on Fort Wachuka on the 8th? That's interesting. We'd like to know. So we decided to file an FOIA request for his travel locks. That's the beauty of everything being paid for by the tax dollars is that we have this to file an FYA request. Okay? Who did he pick up? That's what we wanted to know.

Who was on board with Bradley Hansel? And we got a very unusual response. Now, we have been filing a lot of these requests. Like, we're going to be experts by the end of this. And we've heard, hey, you need to make your request more specific or, hey, this department doesn't have your request. This is the first time that we've been told, we're number 3,000 on a list and we're not going to be able to get back to you.

We don't know when we're going to get back to you. Here's the exact language of the response that we received to figure out who was on this plane with Bradley Hansel from Tucson to Fort Wachuka. He reads, quote, although we have already begun processing your request, we will not be able to respond within the FOIA's 20-day statutory time period as there are unusual circumstances, which impact our ability to quickly process your request. The FOIA defines unusual circumstances as the need to search for and collect records from a facility that's geographically separated from this office, or B, the potential volume of the records responsive to your request, so A and B is not us, C, the need for consultation with one or more other agencies or the Department of War components having a substantial interest in either the determination or the subject matter of the records. Okay, let's read that again, because that's going to be us, right? We're not asking for a lot. We're asking for a travel log. Who else is on this plane?

So it's not too big. It's not because of the volume of records. It's not geographically separated from this office. He works for the Department of War, and the flight was booked from his office. I've confirmed that, okay? So we're at C of why they can't honor this in 20 days. This would be the logical option C. And I'm going to read it again because of the need for consultation with one or more other agencies

or the Department of War components having a substantial interest in either the determination or the subject matter of the records. At least one, if not more of these scenarios, apply, or would likely apply to your request. While this office does handle FYA requests for the OSW, the JS, and other component offices, we do not actually hold their records. Actually, going over the geographic thing, that's not us. We do not hold a record.

They do hold these records. It's him. It says then that we are unable to estimate the potential volume records, okay, that's not us. Or this last one. Your request has been placed in our complex processing queue and is being worked on based on the order in which the request was received. Our current administrative workload is approximately 3,534 open requests. This is an FOIAFU. An FOIAFU. That's what it is. I didn't know we could file for that. We did. Apparently, we received it, FOIFU, Candace. Oh, really? Yeah. We have to talk to some other departments about

your request, and that could take a while because they have an interest in why you want to know who was on Sam 702 and Bradley's plane. And that just means that we don't have to do the 20-day thing, which is like by law, but then there's this little carve-out that says that if we have to communicate to other agencies, like maybe the FBI, Cash Patel, I don't know, Trump, the executive of always, we don't, we can, year number 3,534, F-O-A-F-U, Candice. Weird. First time we've seen it. Guys, I'm happy to report that we are number 3,534th in line to never receive a request

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like she doesn't know how to emote correctly or why people find her to be strange because she hasn't have any experience with these emotions. and that it just strikes me as so out. I'm so bothered by that trip to Maine. And I'm bothered because there was no intent. It was just like people just talking about what was going on, everybody's friends, nothing against Erica. I was like, oh, amazing, whatever.

And that was what was in the back of my head when I was at first relieved because I was like, she will look into whether or not there was an Israel angle here. And we got the exact opposite thing. Anyway, I want to shout us out. And I want to give a special shout out to my producer, Ashley, who worked really hard. I do want to clear up some rumors, though, because some of, people were alleging that it was a CVS receipt when we showed Larry Lumer's receipt. That is fake news.

It's a conspiracy. That was a true Lumer receipt. We were happy to have Lumer here. And we're grateful that X picked up the trend and recognized that Larry Lumer was in office. Check this out on X. Lumer confronts Owens on show over Kirk conspiracy theories. We were very happy to be joined by Larry Lumer. She appeared in person, X tells us, on show, to debunk her theories.

about my theories, it also says that Owens mocked Loomer's receipts with a clown emoji and a fake long receipt clip while Loomer called it cringe. That's just, it wasn't fake, it was real. We're just trying to keep track of all of Loomer's receipts because she kind of lets them go. And we had time. And so we really thank Larry Lumer for joining us. Top comment from yesterday's episode, by the way. Kaylee said, my day does not feel complete until I hear Candace hit us with the classic. All right, you guys.

I don't know why I always say that. It just feels right. All right, you guys. Is it all right? I don't know, but it is when you're watching this show. This user writes, Breaking News, Ivanka just told her dad that the Albanians are two weeks away from having a nuclear bomb. I bet they are. That sounds right to me. That seems like the next logical step of the story. Because, yeah, if you want the land, then they're just there probably working on a nuke. That'll help the narrative. I believe her. I believe Ivanka. She's just, she's, she had the,

the aura sound behind her. So, you know, I'm, I'm team, I'm team, I'm gonna. Oh, great. My producers were able to pull the Erica clip. This is like the end of her speech when she got heckled and called the pedophile protector. A lot of emotions happening in her face. Anyway, this, take a listen. Charm's character, a fixed disposition that radiates through actions. Every choice made for a good reason makes a good mark in your soul. Every choice made for a bad reason makes a bad mark in your soul. And one day, all of this, all of this, this life, every win, every loss, the criticism, the heartbreak, The joy and the sorrow, it'll all be reduced to dust.

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It's rehearsed. It's not written by you. It's obvious. This is not how people speak. Just be normal. We'll stop shaking your head no while you're saying yes. Anyway, we'll send into comments from today's episode. We're already running overtime. It's Friday. I'm completely inappropriate.

Tucker, forgive me. I hope you're fine with me sharing that. I just literally just came to my head right before we went live. And I was like, this is what bothers me about July. I totally forgot. Erica was anti-Israel in July. Allegedly. Zammett writes, this 4th of July, let's all remember that it's we the people and not we the elites. President Trump, please resign if you have any dignity left. He has no dignity. left, there's no point. He's just going to do what he's told to do.

He has no courage. Forget the digging. He has no, he's a coward. Ali writes, Tucker recently said TPSA didn't invite him this year. It adds to the theory that they took out Charlie because he gave Tucker a platform and was abandoning Israel. They had to keep him for Amfest, 2025 because Charlie publicly fought his donors over Tucker. Oh, there was no question.

They were going to, you know, push out Tucker, push out Megan. I don't, like, like I said, that it just has. no energy behind it anymore. It's just over. The organization died with Tucker. I mean, died with Charlie. Pardon me. Sarah writes, TPSA tactics. Come on, Dan. Although you imagine what he had to do or agree to be able to get back to his podcast. Yeah, it was just weird. Like, he's just angry. He's like yapping and like you're like, you're not saying anything of substance. You're not debunking Tucker. And just this tough guy act of like, I'm, you think I can't beat up Tucker. Like, that is so played out that Tucker's not going to fight you. Like, what are you talking about?

He wears boat shoes and goes fishing. He's like a chill. guy. You don't look cool doing that. That's so unbelievably lame. Two writes, they keep saying Charlie and Candace weren't friends. Why then did Erica meet Candace in such a tight schedule and why did Andrew call Candice the very first day and shared so many things? Make it make sense, TPSA. They can't. They're just trying to delete Charlie's history, Charlie's perspective, Charlie's friendships. They fought viciously to do it. They couldn't sell it. They had a ton of money to put behind this narrative that Charlie and I didn't talk. The Us magazine article, Charlie was free to talk to Candace, what are you? Like, we trialled together for years, years. It's afraid to talk to me,

me calling, scared to pick up my calls? Literally, Erica's got his phone published. How many times Candace Owens has called Charlie Kirk? I don't do calls. It's just not my thing. It's just, I don't like, it's just the e in your ear. You know what I'm talking about? I also don't like AirPods for the same reason. I just feel like it's putting stuff in my brain. So I just don't do calls. I just text and I never answer my text messages. I'm terrible at that. It's just not, I'm not a phone communicator. It's not my thing. Coach E writes, when TPSA dropped the trolling video, they introduced it to a room full of women, not us, therefore TPSA was trolling women. Well, that's excuse is just not adding up. Have you heard of the Leia files her TPSA audit is legit? I have not heard of it. And I wish I could have

done an audit of some sort, but I try to stay within my skill set. I can organize. I, you know, That's why I've got so many kids. I could do a timeline. I can't be the person that's behind the accounting. So, yeah, I actually should go look at some of the videos of people who have been doing that. Someone's Farrell Gigi writes, gate kid activated, knowing the sci-op is half the battle. Go Max. Christ is king. Totally agree. Christ is king. Truth is winning. And they are angry and on the run. I think I read all of them. I so I think I skipped one. Nope, I didn't. I did not skip one. Lastly, Francesca writes,

Candaceca writes, you really need to investigate why Charlie's parents are not speaking out. An interview would make sense. I fear they have been forced to stand back. They were always really private,

so that didn't strike me as a surprise at all. They were fiercely private. I mean, I only met them a handful of times when they came to a couple of Charlie's events. It's just not the way they operate. Like I, and I don't find that to be suspicious because it's like my in-laws.

Like, they're not, like, there are people that just aren't wired that way and they would never want to be in, Like they weren't involved in the face of politics despite how big Charlie was and it wouldn't be their natural thing to do so. That's my opinion. I don't think they were forced to stand back at all.

I do wonder what they think about Erica. I'd like to know. If they're watching, maybe I do know that some people and his family do watch and do support. Reach out. I'd love to talk to you and keep it all off record. I promise. Anyway, you guys, if you'd like to support the show,

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I don't know if I'm going to be able to do book club. I'm just, like, Russia exhausted. I feel like book club people, please don't kill me. Can I move it to Monday? People in book club, is it okay if I move it to Monday? It's like 735. I'm so tired. I have no more words.

They're going to have to forgive me. I'm going to have to put them in the Tucker basket. Please forgive me, Tucker. please forgive me people in I'm book club because I'm going to have to bump this money can we do Monday Tucker I mean you're not Tucker

you're Skyler there's no way I can do book club I think Tucker's in the control room I'm coming apart on this Friday night Skyler okay yeah but I feel like I probably don't know and that's going to end so I feel can we just do like Monday make Monday a double

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I'm sorry to Tucker Austin. Tucker, please be my friend. It was just a memory. I love you, Tucker. I love everything you're doing. That's what Troy said. You're still talking. Go to bed.

Rust up. Okay. Troy sent me to bed. I got to go. Troy says bye. I'll see you on Monday.