Casefile True Crime - Case 318: Tay Chow Lyang & Tony Tan Poh Chuan

Episode Date: May 10, 2025

On September 15 2003, Singaporean student Ram Tiwary awoke in his Sydney apartment to find his two flatmates, Tony Tan Poh Chuan and Tay Chow Lyang, had been brutally murdered. A suspicious car seen i...n the area leads police on a hunt for the killers, until another suspect emerges closer to home.---Narration – Anonymous HostResearch & writing – Elsha McGillCreative direction – Milly RasoProduction & music – Mike MigasAudio editing – Anthony TelferSign up for Casefile Premium:Apple PremiumSpotify PremiumPatreonFor all credits and sources, please visit https://casefilepodcast.com/case-318-tay-chow-lyang-tony-tan-poh-chuan Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:31 and for a more detailed list of content warnings, please see the show notes for this episode on your It was just after 2.30pm on Monday September 15 2003 when two ambulances turned into Barker Street, a leafy residential road in the eastern Sydney suburb of Kingsford. The ambulances pulled up outside a red brick two-storey duplex with a tidy front garden and a low brick fence. As they parked, a panic-stricken, dishevelled young man with his jumper on inside out raced towards them. The man was 24-year-old Ram Tiwari. Ram lived on the second floor of the duplex with his two 26-year-old flatmates, Tay Chow Leung and Tony Tan Po Chawan. All three were engineering students from Singapore attending classes at the nearby University of New South Wales. Upon seeing Ram, the paramedics quickly locked their doors.
Starting point is 00:02:43 They were understandably on edge, having been called to the property about a suspected double homicide. One of the paramedics rolled her window down a crack to hear what Ram had to say. He looked bewildered and was clearly in a state of distress. Ram told the paramedics that he was the one who'd called for help. Through heavy breaths, Ram explained that he'd found one of his flatmates on the floor, bloody and frothing at the mouth. As he spoke, the paramedics noted that Ram seemed distracted by the sight of his own hands and kept looking down at them. They were smeared with blood.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Police arrived on Barker Street moments later. As they made their way towards the duplex, Ram Tiwari struggled to make sense of what he'd seen. The 24-year-old student, who was born in India but raised in Brunei and Singapore, had been in Australia for just over three years. He'd been granted a mechanical engineering scholarship by the Singaporean Armed Forces after completing his national service. To supplement his scholarship, Ram worked part-time as a security guard, which meant he often caught up on sleep during the day. Ram told the first responding sergeant that he'd been sleeping in his bedroom when the sounds of the television blaring in the lounge room and something falling woke him. Thinking one of his flatmates had simply dropped something, he went back to sleep.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Sometime later, Ram woke again to a commotion. Over the loud volume of the TV, he heard someone run past his bedroom door. Ram thought he heard his flatmate, Tony Tan Po Chawan, scream help, but he couldn't be sure. Then, someone pounded on Ram's door. Ram's first thought was that someone was attempting to break in. Then he heard a loud bang as though metal was being hit against something. This noise continued for what felt like several minutes. Still suspecting a break-in, Ram locked his bedroom door from the inside until the sound finally stopped.
Starting point is 00:05:33 He waited a while before opening his door and peering out into the hall. To his left, he saw that the back door in the lounge room was slightly ajar. To his right, Tony was slumped next to the front door with his back against the wall, his bloodied head resting on his chest. Blood had pooled around him and a baseball bat and kitchen knife lay by his side. Terrified that whoever had hurt Tony was still in the apartment, Ram picked up the bat for protection and made his way to the back door. That was when he saw his other flatmate, Tae Chia Leung, lying behind the lounge room couch, his head completely bashed in, and blood everywhere. Ram quickly closed and locked the back door, then raced back to his
Starting point is 00:06:27 bedroom with the bat. He locked himself in, pulling a captain across the door as a barricade, and used his mobile phone to call emergency services. Ram told the operator, I need the ambulance and the police. There's been a murder. My two friends are lying dead outside. There's blood all over the place." The operator asked exactly what had happened. Ram replied, I have no idea. I was asleep and I heard this screaming. When I turned, my two friends are dead." He said there was a baseball bat and a knife at the scene. The operator told Ram to stay put and wait for help to arrive. She then asked if his flatmates were definitely dead or possibly just unconscious.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Ram said there was too much blood to tell. The operator asked if Ram knew CPR. He was well versed in CPR from his time in the military, but he didn't want to try. Both Tony and Charlie Young's faces were so severely covered in blood that he didn't think he could do it. The operator asked Ram if it was safe for him to go back out and check if his flatmates were still breathing. Terror audible in his voice, Ram replied, I'm not going back outside till somebody gets here. I'm not fucking going back outside. You want to break down the door? Fucking go ahead. I'm not fucking going back outside. You want to break down the door? Fucking go ahead. I'm not fucking going back outside." When the operator told Ram that the paramedics had arrived, he took the bat and left his room. He walked up to Tony and saw foam around his mouth and bleeding from his head. He touched Tony's neck but couldn't feel a pulse.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Tony wasn't breathing either. Not wanting to do anything else, Ram left the house via the back door and went to tell the waiting paramedics and police what had happened. In addition to being incredibly shaken by what he'd seen, Ram voiced disappointment in himself for not going outside when he heard Tony yell for help. I didn't go out, he told the sergeant on the scene. I should have, but didn't. After I heard somebody being hit, I should have opened the door. But didn't. hit I should have opened the door, but didn't. Police climbed the small flight of stairs at the front of the duplex. While the lower level was occupied by the property's landlords, the second floor served as a convenient sharehouse for students attending the nearby University of New South Wales Kensington
Starting point is 00:09:23 campus. It was a modest abode, with four bedrooms, a kitchen, a bathroom, and a lounge room. The front door opened to a small hallway that the rooms stemmed from, with the lounge room at the end of the hall. The back door in the lounge room opened to a small veranda and a second set of external stairs. These led down to the concrete backyard which housed the rubbish bins and other facilities. The home's decor was bland, with bare white walls, white floors, and cheap furnishings. When the police reached the top of the stairs, they found the front door closed but unlocked. The body of 26-year-old Tony Tan Po Chawan lace slumped against it in a pool of blood.
Starting point is 00:10:15 The officers had to push him aside to gain access. Only once they were inside did the true horror become clear. Tony's head had been so severely bashed that parts of his brain were visible. He had also been stabbed multiple times in the neck, presumably with the black-handled kitchen knife lying under his right leg. One of the wounds were so deep that it had punctured his voice box. Blood was smeared all over the wall and across the door frame. The police followed a trail of blood down the hallway towards the lounge room and found Tony's prescription eyeglasses smashed to pieces, along with several of his shattered teeth. Blood spatter, smears, and bloody footprints marked the lounge room floor, couch, and coffee table. The lounge room was sparsely furnished, with
Starting point is 00:11:14 nothing more than a beige couch, a canvas deck chair, a coffee table, and a small television sitting on a flat-packed stand. Behind the couch, a makeshift desk sat low to the ground with a computer and other equipment on top, the back door to its left. As police approached, they could see that the couch and deck chair were splattered Tae-chow Leung lay in a pool of blood. Like Tony, he had sustained numerous blows to the head as well as multiple stab wounds to the neck. On the other side of the room, the TV blared at high volume. Ram Tiwari was taken to the police station where he voluntarily gave two detectives a more detailed statement in an electronically recorded interview. Ram couldn't think of anyone who would possibly want to hurt Tony or Charlie Young. Both of them were dedicated electrical
Starting point is 00:12:23 engineering students who spent the majority of their time focusing on their studies, living relatively quiet lives in Australia. Like Ram, Tony was completing his degree thanks to a scholarship from the Singaporean Armed Forces. He'd taken his education seriously as he'd hoped to secure a good military career that could help him provide for his parents. Having already fulfilled his national service and completed a diploma in architectural technology, Tony hoped to rise to the rank of major by the time he was 30. Charlie Young's university tuition was paid by his parents, who worked as food vendors back in Singapore. He was a computer whiz who happily spent his spare time online or at home watching
Starting point is 00:13:15 movies. While Tony had gone out with Ram on a few occasions, Charlie Young's English was limited, and he associated almost exclusively with other Singaporean or Asian students. Neither had any known enemies, nor were they involved with drugs, criminal activity, or any shady characters. Ram explained to the detectives that the previous evening of Sunday September 14 had been uneventful. After working a security shift in the day, he'd returned home at around 6pm and watched the fantasy adventure film Lord of the Rings with Tony and Charlie Young. The trio had made a few
Starting point is 00:14:00 passing comments about the film, but nothing of note was discussed. Ram was exhausted having worked all weekend. He was the first to go to bed at around 9.30pm, at which point everything was normal. Ram woke up at around 6.30am on Monday to a phone call from his girlfriend Elvira. on Monday to a phone call from his girlfriend Elvira. They spoke for about half an hour, during which they arranged to meet at uni at 2pm that afternoon. Ram got up, ate breakfast and had a shower, but then went back to sleep. He didn't know what time it was when he'd first woken up to the TV blaring and the sound of something falling, but the noise had been so innocuous that he hadn't even considered getting up to see what it was. It was only when he'd woken for the second time at around 2.10pm that he heard the banging sound
Starting point is 00:15:00 and screams in the hallway and realised something was horribly wrong. He repeated the same story he'd given the emergency services operator and the first responding sergeant about how he'd discovered his flatmate's bodies. Ram told the detectives that on his way out to meet the paramedics he went up to Tony and touched his neck to feel for a pulse. He then put his hand to Tony's nose to see if he was breathing. He noticed that Tony was frothing at the mouth. The blood was falling out of Tony's nose and air too, Ram recalled. Ram recalled. Back at Barker Street, Ram took detectives on a walkthrough of the crime scene to explain exactly what he'd seen when he emerged from his bedroom. He added that when he checked Tony, a spurt of blood had come out of his mouth and he'd quote, sort of spasmed. While the
Starting point is 00:16:04 black-handled kitchen knife was a generic model that could have come from anywhere, Ram explained that the baseball bat found next to Tony's body actually belonged to him. He'd purchased it just two days earlier from a sports store in the city but hadn't had a chance to use it yet. Despite a thorough examination of the property, investigators found no clues as to who the killer or killers might be. There was no sign of forced entry, nor was there any blood or other evidence outside the property to indicate where the perpetrator had fled to. Five sets of fingerprints were found throughout the home that couldn't be attributed to one of the tenants or their known guests.
Starting point is 00:16:51 These prints were put through the police database but didn't match anyone in the system. The baseball bat and a knife were forensically examined, but no usable prints were found. Albert Leesher was the landlord who lived on the ground floor of the Barker Street duplex. He told police that he and his wife had been in and out of the property throughout the day. They kept the side gates locked until they returned at around 1.45pm. Albert said he'd sat down to eat his lunch at 1.50pm, but didn't hear any of the commotion taking place upstairs. The only person he saw run past the back window was Ram Tiwari on his way to greet the first responders. The next step for investigators was to look into Chia Liyong and Tony's movements on the day of the
Starting point is 00:17:49 crime. The pair had been close friends ever since Tony moved into the Barker Street apartment several months prior. Because they were both completing the same degree, they were known to be more or less inseparable around the university. On Mondays, they were both scheduled to attend a midday lecture on mobile and satellite communication systems. The two typically woke up at around 8am, prepared for the day and then studied for a couple of hours before walking to the lecture hall together. The campus was only about a five minute walk from their home and they always made the journey on foot. A forensic examination of Tony's computer, which was in his bedroom, revealed he'd spent Monday morning at home working on his thesis.
Starting point is 00:18:49 working on his thesis. He sent two emails to his supervisor, the first at 10.42am and the second at 11.06am, before manually shutting the computer down at 12.02pm. As fastidious students, Tony and Charlie Young both valued punctuality and were always on time for classes. However, several classmates told the police that on Monday September 15, Tony showed up for the 12pm lecture around 15 minutes late and alone. His usually neat gelled hair was messy and dishevelled. Some classmates noticed that he seemed distracted, restless, and tired. When one of them asked Tony why he was late, he smiled vaguely, but said nothing. He didn't seem to be paying attention to the lecture, instead turning his head and looking around as though keeping an eye out for someone. Unusually, Charlie Young didn't show up at all. Tony and Charlie Young had arranged to meet with a classmate named Kevin after the lecture to organise an ethics seminar they'd been working on together. But during the lecture, Tony leant over to Kevin and told him they had to
Starting point is 00:20:07 cancel the meeting. He gave no explanation as to why, simply saying that Charlie Young had something he needed to do. The lecture finished a little early at around 1.50pm. Afterwards, Tony chatted to some classmates and they noticed he appeared uneasy. He was shaking from side to side. One friend asked what was going on and Tony responded that he urgently needed to go to the toilet. Other classmates noted that Tony seemed tired but otherwise normal. He told one of them that he was going home to sleep. Tony then left the lecture hall and began walking up the outdoor staircase that led off campus towards the corner of Oval Lane and Willis Street. This was a well-used pathway for students coming and going from the university and was the usual route Tony walked home. Just before 2pm, he passed a friend
Starting point is 00:21:14 named Jonathan who asked, how's it going? Instead of responding with his typical friendly smile and a warm reply, Tony grunted, It's going good, before continuing on his way. Jonathan watched as Tony made his way towards a vehicle parked near the top of the steps on Willis Street. Jonathan remembered it because the car was facing the wrong way in the one-way street and was also parked in front of a no-stopping sign. He could see two or three other people inside the car, all of them Asian, none of whom he recognised. Jonathan was with his friend Sean who saw the car and its occupants too.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Sean remembered Tony taking his backpack off and approaching the car's open door. Tony got into the car, which Jonathan noted as odd because he knew Tony lived in close walking distance to the campus. He then watched as the car drove away with Tony inside. Police could find no explanation as to why Chao Liang hadn't attended uni that day. At the time he was killed, he'd been wearing trousers and a jumper with his wallet in his back pocket. Those who knew Chao Liang said that was how he dressed when he left the house. If he was hanging around at home, he just wore shorts and a t-shirt. The fact that he was dressed suggested that he was
Starting point is 00:22:53 either preparing to leave the house or perhaps expecting company. Charlie Young's computer was last used at 11.58am. The blood spatter and positioning of his body behind the couch indicated that he'd been sitting at the low computer table at around this time, when someone came up and unexpectedly hit his head from behind with a blunt object. The tip of his left index finger was crushed to the point of almost being amputated, suggesting that he'd put his hand up to his head after the first blow, at which point he was struck again. The force of these two blows was extreme enough to fracture Charlie Young's skull and cause brain damage. Further examination of his brain revealed a substance called amyloid precursor protein.
Starting point is 00:23:46 More commonly known as beta-APP, this substance only forms when at least two hours have passed between a brain injury being inflicted and the individual's time of death. The presence of beta-APP indicated that Charlie Young hadn't died instantly, but had survived for at least two hours after he was first struck in the head. This was a significant finding for several reasons. First, the last confirmed sighting of Tony was at 2pm, and Ram's call to emergency services was placed at 2.20pm. This meant that Tony was attacked during that short window of time, while Charlie Young was attacked around midday. It also explained why the five stab wounds in Charlie Young's neck hadn't bled much and why no blood was found in his lungs. Investigators believed that these stab wounds hadn't beened much, and why no blood was found in his lungs.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Investigators believed that these stab wounds hadn't been inflicted at the same time as the blows to Charlie Young's head, but hours later, when he was either on the brink of death or post-mortem. Based on the forensic evidence, investigators believed that Tony returned home through the front door. If he'd entered via the back door, he would have instantly come across Charlie Young's body lying behind the couch. Yet, when police first arrived at the crime scene, they'd found a pot of chicken wings cooking on the stove, indicating that Tony had started preparing his lunch without suspecting anything was amiss.
Starting point is 00:25:28 He'd also taken his shoes off and put his wallet in his bedroom. From the kitchen, Tony likely made his way to the lounge room where the attacker hit him head on, smashing his glasses to pieces. At least two blows were administered with such force that Tony's nose was fractured, all eight of his front teeth were knocked out, and his jaw was broken. Blood smears, footprints, and displaced furniture indicated that he'd then fallen to the ground but managed to get up and run down the hallway in an attempt to escape. There, the offender struck Tony in the head several more times, causing at least 12 lacerations and massive skull fractures. Bruises on Tony's arms indicated he tried to defend himself,
Starting point is 00:26:20 but the ferocity of the attack had rendered him powerless. but the ferocity of the attack had rendered him powerless. While his head injuries were severe enough to ensure death, five stab wounds were also found on the right side of Tony's neck, inflicted one below the other in a brisk, frenzied attack. The evidence at the crime scene was disturbing and perplexing. If Charlie Young was first attacked at midday, then it meant he lay dying for two hours while the offender either lay in wait or left and then returned to kill Tony shortly after 2pm. At that point, the offender might have detected a sign of life in Charlie Young and stabbed him in the neck to ensure he was dead. Yet strangely enough, while the baseball bat and knife found next
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Starting point is 00:30:06 help others, including his friends. Both men lived off modest allowances and nothing was missing to indicate robbery as a motive. A friend of Tony's told the police, I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to hurt Tony. I do not believe that Tony had any friends who I would not trust." Police considered whether the attacks could have been racially motivated. There had been a recent wave of kidnappings and extortion attempts against Asian students in New South Wales, the most recent having occurred just weeks prior. A 19-year-old Vietnamese student was strangled to death after a botched kidnapping attempt, while a Chinese student had been kidnapped and assaulted while the perpetrators demanded
Starting point is 00:30:55 a $120,000 ransom from her parents in Beijing. But investigators found no evidence to support such a motive and it was quickly ruled out, leaving them to comb through the man's personal lives in an attempt to discover what, if any, secrets they'd been hiding. It was common for young Singaporean men to marry before moving overseas to complete their tertiary education. Tony had met his girlfriend in an online chat room in 1998 and the two wed in Singapore just a few months before his murder. She had visited Sydney and stayed with Tony at Barker Street. When questioned by police, she couldn't think of anyone who would wish Tony harm.
Starting point is 00:31:50 A forensic examination of Tony's computer didn't reveal evidence of infidelity, criminal activity, or anything to suggest that he felt he was in danger. However, the search of Tay Chow Leung's computer was a different story. Chow Leung was married to a woman named Winnie who was also back in Singapore. The two met in high school and married in a registry wedding, but they'd been planning a proper wedding celebration after Charlie Young completed his degree and moved back home. Tony's wife told police that when she was visiting Barker Street, Sheeta noticed that Charlie Young didn't wear his wedding ring. He only put it on when Winnie came to visit. Charlie Young's online activity revealed that he'd spent the last few months before his
Starting point is 00:32:39 death in almost daily contact with another woman in Singapore named Jasmine. While it was mostly just day-to-day chit chat, their online conversations were often flirtatious and occasionally sexual. Charlie Young made it clear that he was attracted to Jasmine and had romantic feelings for her, even though she was engaged to be married. Police wondered if jealousy could have played a role in the double homicide. They conducted searches with immigration, but these only proved that neither Jasmine nor her boyfriend were in Australia at the time of the murders. With no obvious suspects or motives, police turned their focus to the mysterious car on Willow Street that Tony's uni-mates Jonathan and Sean had seen him enter mere minutes before he was
Starting point is 00:33:33 killed. Tony accepting a ride home instead of walking was so out of character that police were convinced it was significant. Either the people in the car had something to do with the murders, or they might have witnessed something crucial that could hold the key to solving the case. Unfortunately, Willis Street wasn't covered by the university's CCTV cameras, and the descriptions of the vehicle varied. Jonathan described it as a white four-door sedan, possibly a Toyota Echo, while Sean said it was dark in colour. Police spent hours driving the two young men around the area to see if they could spot a similar looking car, but it was a fruitless endeavour. As for the occupants of the vehicle, all Jonathan or Sean could say was that they appeared to be
Starting point is 00:34:26 Asian. A man who lived near the victims told the police that he saw a pale-coloured car parked in a laneway near Barker Street sometime after 1pm on the day in question. At around 2.25pm, a university student was driving down Barker Street looking for a park when he saw an olive-skinned man who was, quote, not Indian or Caucasian looking around as he made his way towards a small white sedan parked next door to the murder scene. The man, who appeared to be in his early 30s, got into the car and it drove away. Another woman described seeing a similar car driving erratically about two kilometres from Barker Street at around 2.30pm. She estimated that the vehicle was going 100km per hour in a 50 zone.
Starting point is 00:35:23 It almost hit another car as well as a telegraph pole. The woman told the police, It wasn't just joyriders. The speed scared me. I had never witnessed this sort of behaviour on the road before. As weeks passed with no breakthroughs in the case, the police made a public appeal for the driver of the car to come forward. They said the man had picked Tony up less than 30 minutes before his body was found and that he could be the vital link in solving the murders. The car was described as light blue or white and resembling a Toyota Echo. Anyone who had seen a similar vehicle around Barker Street was encouraged to contact the police.
Starting point is 00:36:14 No one came forward, prompting police to issue an international press release. But still, the car and its occupants remained a mystery. But still, the car and its occupants remained a mystery. Weeks turned into months with the unsolved case receiving little attention from the Australian media. By May 2004, eight months had passed and the killer was still yet to be apprehended. On Thursday, May 27, surviving housemate Ram Tuari contacted the police to let them know he intended to return to Singapore. He told them that his studies hadn't been going well and there were commitments he needed to fulfil back at home. Ram hadn't booked his flight yet, but he wanted to check if the police needed anything further
Starting point is 00:37:05 from him before he left. The detectives working the case asked Ram to visit the police station the following morning for one final interview. Ram agreed. When he showed up the next day as planned, the detectives read him his rights and then sat him down for a second recorded interview. What Ram didn't realise was that he wasn't being interviewed as a witness, but as a suspect. For some time, detectives had been dubious of Ram's claims that he'd slept through the attacks committed right outside his bedroom. While they'd initially been willing to accept this, this changed after forensic evidence indicated two hours passed between the two attacks. Detectives didn't think it made sense for an outsider to enter the apartment, plunge
Starting point is 00:38:01 in Charlie Young, then leave, only to return hours later to launch the second attack on Tony. Ram was six feet tall and a trained commando, described by Franz as a bit macho. Why then would he barricade himself in his room knowing that his friend was outside, screaming for help? The fact that there was no sign of forced entry or robbery also raised suspicion, suggesting that the crimes might have been committed by someone who either lived there or was welcomed inside. Given how bloody the scene was, it stood to reason that whoever carried out the attacks would have also been covered in blood. Yet, a forensic
Starting point is 00:38:46 examination revealed no blood on any of the home's external structures such as the back door, rear stairs, the garden, or surrounding fences. Detectives believed this was because the offender washed up before leaving. An inspection of the kitchen and bathroom hadn't revealed any obvious evidence of a clean-up, but further testing revealed a strong positive for blood in the bathroom sink, as well as a weak positive on the hot water tap. When police and paramedics had first arrived at Barker Street, Ram Tiwari's hands were smeared with blood. He explained this was because he'd picked up the murder weapons to defend himself in case the offender was still in the house,
Starting point is 00:39:32 and that he'd checked Tony's pulse as well. But when Ram was taken to the police station for questioning, a detective who specialised in crime scene examinations also noted spots of blood on Ram's feet and ankles. Testing proved that the blood had come from Tony Tanpo Chawan. In Ram's walkthrough of the crime scene, he provided a new detail that could explain this. He said that when he'd gone to check Tony's pulse, Tony had coughed and blood spurted from his mouth. The investigators found this incredibly suspicious. For starters, this was the first time Ram had mentioned such an event. He'd said nothing of it during his first interview with police. Secondly, Ram was on the phone to emergency services for 10 minutes and 20 seconds before
Starting point is 00:40:29 he claimed to have exited his bedroom and checked on his friends. Yet, the attack on Tony had been ferocious and he'd likely died within minutes, making it highly unlikely that he would have coughed up blood 10 minutes later. The blood spots on Ram's feet and ankles ranged from 1 to 3 millimetres in diameter and looked to one forensic detective like medium velocity blood spatter. In other words, it looked like the result of an impact, not an expiration. The detectives had also noticed some small discrepancies in Ram's version of events. When Ram first called emergency services to report the murders, he told the operator that his two friends were dead, that both had been completely bashed in and that there was blood
Starting point is 00:41:21 all over the place. However, during his first recorded interview at the police station, Ram told the detectives that he didn't see Charlie Young's body until he was on the phone with the operator and went out to assess the situation. After seeing Tony's body and realising the back door was open, Ram told the detectives that he grabbed both the knife and the baseball bat from next to Tony. He then went to close the door and quote, that's when I saw Charlie Young. He was lying behind the couch and was covered in, covered in blood too. The detectives assumed that Ram was unaware that his phone call to emergency services was being recorded.
Starting point is 00:42:11 He therefore told the operator the truth that both of his flatmates were dead, but then made up what he believed would be a more favourable version of events when speaking to the police. It wasn't just the forensic evidence and inconsistencies that had roused detectives' suspicions. Shortly after the murders, Ram moved out of Barker Street and into another student sharehouse. When his new flatmates asked him what he'd witnessed, Ram said he wasn't even home when Tony and Charlie Young were killed. He said he'd simply returned home to find his flatmates' debt. Another friend told the police that Ram hadn't even told his own family about the murders, even though they were very close. were very close. With several details in Ram's account not adding up, this left the question of motive. Tae-Cha Leung and Ram Tiwari had lived at the Barker Street apartment since July 2002,
Starting point is 00:43:18 and Tony Tan Pochawan since March 2003. Police spoke to multiple witnesses who knew the three housemates, and they all said the same thing. There was no overt animosity between any of them. While there had been some small domestic disagreements about the cooking and washing up, the trio had sorted this out by deciding to cook their meals separately. They bought all their own food and labelled it appropriately. This hadn't created any ongoing tension or friction and they continued to cohabitate peacefully. The landlords who lived downstairs also said they'd never seen or heard their upstairs
Starting point is 00:44:03 tenants fighting or arguing. It cost the students $2,172 per month to rent the apartment. Every month, like clockwork, Chao Yang paid the entire amount and his flatmates then reimbursed him for their respective shares. He also took care of the bills and expenses, which were divided among the housemates. When police searched the property, they'd come across an undated post-it note in Ram's bedroom written by Charlie Young. It had Ram's name on it, along with an itemised list of money he apparently owed to Chao Liung. It started with an outstanding debt of $1,148, followed by rent for March and Ram's share of bills and food. A second note found in Ram's bedroom was also confirmed to have been written
Starting point is 00:45:01 by Chao Liung. It was another itemised list of apparent debts that Ram had incurred, including what appeared to be a previously outstanding amount of $4,445 along with rent and bills for August. It came to a total of $5,054. of $5,054. The note also listed money owed to Charlie Young by someone called Andrew. According to the itemised account, Andrew owed $500 in bond, rent for the months of July and August, and more than $1,500 in undisclosed incidental expenses, which included a $4 charge for toilet paper. However, no one by the name of Andrew had ever lived at the property. A fourth tenant, a Taiwanese student named Vincent, had resided there during 2002, but he'd moved out around the same time that Tony moved in.
Starting point is 00:46:08 2002, but he'd moved out around the same time that Tony moved in. Vincent told the police that he'd returned to the house for a brief stay in July 2003, and that during his visit, Ram mentioned that a friend of his was supposed to be moving into the spare room. While Vincent couldn't remember who exactly gave him this information, he recalled that the new tenant was named Andrew, and that he was an Australian from the New South Wales city of Bathurst. Emails sent from Charlie Young to Ram and Tony in July 2003 also made mention of one of Ram's friends moving in. When asked about Andrew during a phone call from the police, Ram said he didn't know anyone by that name, and there were no plans for a fourth tenant to move in. He said he'd met someone at uni who mentioned they wouldn't mind moving into the
Starting point is 00:47:01 Barker Street apartment, but they'd changed their mind and Ram never mentioned it to Tony or Chow Leung. No one close to Ram had ever heard him mention a friend named Andrew. Despite their best efforts, investigators found no evidence to suggest who the elusive Andrew was. A forensic accountant examined Ram's Australian bank accounts and concluded that he hadn't reimbursed Charlie Young his share of the rent or household expenses since March 2003, six months before the murders. Furthermore, on September 10 he received his wage from the security company he worked for, giving him a little over $700. After making some other payments, Ram didn't have enough left over
Starting point is 00:47:52 to cover the rent due on September 13, let alone reimburse the money he already owed. Investigators obtained Ram's university records and discovered that his struggles weren't solely financial. As part of his military scholarship, Ram was required to maintain good grades. If he failed to do so, he had to pay the tuition money back. Any debt would ultimately be the responsibility of his brother and cousin as they had signed as guarantors on Ram's scholarship. Records showed that in the second semester of 2001, Ram failed three out of the five subjects he was enrolled in. He then lied about his results to the military to ensure they'd continue financing his scholarship.
Starting point is 00:48:45 Things didn't improve in 2002. He failed most of his subjects, leaving him with no choice but to retake the courses before he could submit his grades to the military. In mid-August 2003, one month before his housemates were killed, Ram received an invoice from the University of New South Wales demanding immediate payment of outstanding fees, some of which were almost a year overdue. In total, Ram owed the university a little over $7,000. Both Tony and Charlie Young had been set to graduate at the end of 2003,
Starting point is 00:49:25 at which point they intended to return to Singapore. The plan was that Ram would take over the lease as well as the responsibility of paying rent to the landlords. With the money Ram already owed Charlie Young in rent and expenses, along with the overdue fees due to the university, investigators believed it stood to reason that Ram was under a considerable amount of financial pressure. Additionally, he knew that Tony was returning to Singapore to pursue a military career, which might have contributed to a growing anxiety that his poor academic results would be revealed. anxiety that his poor academic results would be revealed. Police believed that desperate times had led to desperate measures, prompting Ram to invent the fictitious character of Andrew to ease his financial pressure by reducing the amount of rent he owed each month. While this might have
Starting point is 00:50:20 momentarily relieved some pressure, the receipt of his overdue university fees finally pushed him over the edge. Based on all the information they'd gathered, investigators suspected that Charlie Young had decided to skip his lecture on Monday September 15 so he could confront Ram about the unpaid rent and organise his taking over the lease. As they spoke, Ram started to panic about the mess he'd made. The two began to argue, at which point Ram lashed out, grabbed the baseball bat he'd purchased with this very confrontation in mind, and used it to bash Chao Leung over the head. Thinking Chao Leung was dead, Ram then washed himself and the baseball bat clean and waited two hours for Tony to return home from his lecture. Ram killed Tony to cover up what he'd done to Chao Leung and to ensure Tony
Starting point is 00:51:22 couldn't tell the authorities about the ongoing financial dispute between the two. Perhaps detecting a sign of life in Charlie Young, Ram then stabbed him in the neck to make sure he was definitely dead. He quickly cleaned himself up before calling emergency services and concocting the false story about sleeping through the attacks. emergency services and concocting the false story about sleeping through the attacks. Only when realising that there was blood spatter on his feet and ankles did he try to explain its presence by making up the story about Tony coughing up blood. Eight months after the double homicide, as Ram Tiwari sat down for his second recorded police interview, he declined an offer to
Starting point is 00:52:05 speak to a lawyer. The detectives put it to Ram that he was the one who killed Charlie Young and Tony. He flatly denied all of the allegations to no avail. Ram was placed under arrest and charged with two counts of murder. Seemingly in disbelief, Ram asked, but what about the people in the car? The detectives did not respond. Case file will be back shortly. Thank you for supporting us by listening to this episode's sponsors. Hi, it's Morgan from Off the Shelf and I'm here to tell you how my Google Pixel 9 helps me read more.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Google actually gifted me this phone and now I use it non-stop. The other day I was trying to remember the name of this book someone recommended and instead of spiralling into a 40 minute social media scroll, I just asked Gemini on my Pixel. What's that romance-y book with a competition and a ghost helping her through the trials? It's like having that one friend who always knows what you're talking about. Learn more about the Google Pixel 9 at store.google.com. You sailed beyond the horizon in search of an island scrubbed from every map. You battled crackens and navigated through storms. Your spade struck the lid of a long lost treasure chest.
Starting point is 00:53:50 Your spade struck the lid of a long-lost treasure chest, while you cooked a lasagna. There's more to imagine when you listen. Discover best-selling adventure stories on Audible. Thank you for listening to this episode's ads. By supporting our sponsors, you support Casefile to continue to deliver quality content. Ram Tiwari was denied bail after being deemed a flight risk and placed in custody awaiting trial. Upon hearing that he'd been charged with the brutal slayings of Tae Chow Leung and Tony Tan Po Chuan, those who knew Ram were left in utter disbelief. The allegations simply didn't align with the person they knew. By all accounts, Ram came from a good home and was
Starting point is 00:54:42 part of a loving and supportive family. His father was a recently retired vice principal who had only ever known his son to behave responsibly and respectfully. Ram had been an outstanding high school student who had gone on to dutifully perform his national service in Singapore, rising to the rank of lieutenant. After he moved to Sydney in July 2000, Ram's outgoing and extroverted personality ensured he had no trouble making new friends. He was something of a social butterfly who loved an audience and telling a good story. Friendly and generous with his money, Ram was always the first to shout a round of drinks on a night out. While Ram could be passionate and sometimes got into arguments at the uni bar,
Starting point is 00:55:32 none of his friends knew him to be violent. If anything, they viewed him as a peacemaker. Ram was the kind of friend who would step in and take care of his mates if one of them had too much to drink, going out of his way to make sure they got home safely. Ram's girlfriend, Elvira, described him as a calm person who doesn't lose his head over things. She said, "...he's the type of person who would rather walk away from a situation than let it escalate." For those who knew Ram well, there was nothing unusual about his claims that he'd slept through the attacks. In addition to enjoying a night out, Ram was in the habit of studying late into the night, then sleeping throughout the day.
Starting point is 00:56:19 It wasn't unusual for him to get up to attend a morning lecture before going straight back to bed. wasn't unusual for him to get up to attend a morning lecture before going straight back to bed. On the morning of the murders, Elvira and Ram had made plans to meet at uni at 2pm. When he didn't show up, Elvira was one of only two people Ram had completely confided in about what he'd seen on September 15 2003. The other was a close friend Ram had stayed with after the Barker Street property was cordoned off as a crime scene. According to Ram, his decision not to tell anyone else had nothing to do with an inconsistent narrative, but was a shame-based response. During his second interview with the detectives, Ram straight up admitted that he'd lied to several people about not being at the
Starting point is 00:57:20 house on the day of the murders. I heard something happening that day and what I did was I shut my door and didn't do anything, he explained. I feel so bad about that fact. I hate going and telling people who know me. Yeah, I was in the house, but I didn't do anything." As for his decision not to tell his parents that his housemates were killed, Ram reasoned that he'd been living out of home for six years and had been self-sufficient during that time. I didn't want to worry my parents, he told the detectives. That's the way it's always
Starting point is 00:57:59 been. If I think I can ride something out without worrying them, that's exactly what I'll do." Ram was incredulous at the suggestion he could have killed Chao Leung over a financial dispute. First and foremost, Ram claimed he didn't even owe Chao Leung any money. The reason his bank account didn't show any payments to Charlie Young was because he and Tony paid their rent in cash. Even Charlie Young's wife had told the police that she'd seen Charlie Young carrying around a stack of cash when she visited Barker Street, which he then took to deposit at the bank. The detectives presented Ram with the Post-It note found in his bedroom detailing that Ram owed Charlie Young $1,148 for an unspecified debt, followed by rent and expenses for March.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Ram had a simple explanation for this. He told detectives that the $1,148 equated to two months of rent and expenses. This was for the months of January and February 2003, when Ram had been in Singapore for the summer holidays. He said he'd paid his rent for December before leaving, and Charlie Young presented him with the Post-It note upon his return in late February. He had paid that money in March. As for the second note found in Ram's bedroom, which the detective said was evidence that Ram owed Charlie Young a total of $5054, Ram pointed out that the word O wasn't written anywhere on the note. He explained this was because the note was actually a list of cash payments he had made to Chao Liang, not money that was outstanding.
Starting point is 00:59:56 Ram argued that some budget statements found on Chao Liang's computer supported this. The spreadsheets were made up of two columns titled inflow and expenses. In one of the inflow columns, Charlie Young had written RAM till July, along with an amount of $4,445. The detectives believed this was evidence that as of July 2003, Ram was $4,445 behind in his rental payments. But, according to Ram, inflow related to money that Charlie Young had already received. As proof, he reasoned that another item in the inflow column was called cash, and incoming cash wasn't something that
Starting point is 01:00:46 could be owed. Furthermore, on the day of the murders, Charlie Young had pinned a note to the front door that read, Bros, if Vincent comes to get his stuff, collect $63 from him for electricity. Thanks. The $63 that Vincent owed Charlie Young wasn't listed in any of the inflow columns of his budget statements, which Ram claimed supported the notion that inflow didn't relate to money Charlie Young was owed. Ram also pointed out that if he hadn't paid his rent or expenses since early 2003, surely
Starting point is 01:01:28 that would have put Charlie Young under considerable financial stress. Yet, he hadn't complained to anyone about Ram owing him money. In fact, an online message found on Charlie Young's computer suggested the opposite. In June 2003, three months before the murders, Charlie Young had sent a gift to a friend in Singapore. When the friend messaged to say thank you, Charlie Young responded, "...Ram paying my rent for this month, so I got extra couple of hundreds." For Ram, the notion that he could have killed his flatmates over $5,000 was absurd. Even if Ram did owe Charlie Young money, it was a solvable issue. Although Ram's parents weren't wealthy, they were reasonably well off, and Ram's father had given him ready access to a Singaporean bank account with adequate funds. If he'd found himself in financial strife, he would have access to that
Starting point is 01:02:33 account. The fact that Ram owed the University of New South Wales over $7,000 was admittedly a source of stress for him, but he'd been honest with the police about it. In fact, when he called the detectives the day before his arrest to let them know his intention to return to Singapore, he'd told them all about his uni issues. Without prompting, he admitted that he'd failed several subjects and was therefore blocked from re-enrolling in his course the coming semester. As he and his family would be liable to reimburse the military for funds already paid, Ram told the police he felt he had no choice but to return home and face the music.
Starting point is 01:03:22 As Ram waited for his day in court, he hired a defence attorney who began looking into the forensic side of things. While the prosecution claimed Ram had lied about being in his bedroom when the attacks took place, forensic testing of Ram's bedroom after the murders revealed dust marks on the floor that supported his story about dragging his cabinet in front of the door to barricade himself in. Crime scene photos also showed a small cabinet by the door. While prosecutors believed the phone call Ram placed to emergency services was staged,
Starting point is 01:04:00 the defence had a very different interpretation. When the operator asked if it was safe for Ram to go outside to check on his housemates, he adamantly replied, I'm not going back outside till somebody gets here. I'm not fucking going back outside. You want to break down the door? Fucking go ahead. I'm not fucking going back outside." When the operator told him help was on the way, Ram asked, Are you going to hang up or are you going to stay on? The operator asked if Ram wanted them to stay on the line. He responded, Could you please, till somebody gets here, please?'
Starting point is 01:04:48 Not only did the defence believe that the recording indicated Ram was in a genuine state of distress when he placed the call, it also proved that he was in his bedroom. When paramedics arrived at Barker Street, Ram told the operator that he was going to go outside. At this point, the audio captured the increasing sound of the television, indicating that Ram was walking from his room and towards the living room, just as he later described in his police interview. Then there was the matter of blood. Despite the large amount of blood throughout the crime scene, very little was found on Ram. Other than the blood on his hands, which he'd readily shown to the
Starting point is 01:05:35 first officer on the scene, there were just a few spots of Tony's blood on Ram's clothes, ankles and feet. Not a single spot of Charlie Young's blood or DNA was found on him anywhere. As Ram's defence lawyer pointed out to Channel News Asia's current affairs program, Get Real, if someone's been struck with an item like a baseball bat and that bat gets blood on it, then when that bat's been swung back you get cast off blood. And that would include blood going onto the back of the person who's holding the bat. There was blood on the walls and all around, but not on Ram's back. Investigators reasoned the lack of blood on Ram was because he had washed himself before
Starting point is 01:06:25 calling the authorities. Yet, when a crime scene investigator tested the Barker Street bathroom for blood, all they'd found was a strong positive in the bathroom sink and a weak positive on the hot water tap. However, the test was inconclusive as it was also designed to react to other organic matter and certain metals. A positive test could just as easily be reacting to rust as to blood. The U-bend pipe in the sink was removed and analysed for blood, but none was found. Nor was there any evidence to suggest that bleach or any other cleaning agents had been used. Moreover, when police arrived at the crime scene, the shower recess and laundry sink were both completely dry, and there were no wet towels anywhere in the house to suggest someone had
Starting point is 01:07:20 recently washed themselves. Investigators were convinced that the same baseball bat had been used to kill both Tony and Charlie Young, even though not a single trace of Charlie Young's blood or DNA was found on it. Yet, the handle of the baseball bat was covered in fabric, and this too was dry. If Ram had washed all traces of Charlieo Leung's blood from the bat after using it to kill him then it stood to reason that the fabric would have been wet. The brand new baseball bat was still shrink wrapped at the time of the murders. Pieces of the plastic shrink wrap were found in Tony's wounds, but nowhere on Chao Liang. Ram's defence team reasoned this wasn't because it had been washed between the attacks,
Starting point is 01:08:14 but because two separate weapons were used. The reason none of Chao Liang's blood was on Ram was because he'd had nothing to do with the murder. blood was on Ram was because he'd had nothing to do with the murder. During the investigation, some of Tony's friends had told the police that Tony mentioned wanting to buy a baseball bat for protection. He didn't mention what he wanted protection from, nor did he seem scared. It was more of an off-the-cuff remark. A friend of Ram's thought he recalled seeing a baseball bat in the Barker Street living room in July 2003, two months before Ram purchased the one used to kill Tony. However, no other bats were found during a search of the property. Although the timing was unfortunate, Ram's defence didn't think there was anything suspicious
Starting point is 01:09:06 about Ram buying the bat two days before the murders. After all, it was Ram himself who'd told the police the bat belonged to him. He still had the receipt and the transaction was on his bank statement. If this was a premeditated attack as investigators insisted, then it didn't make sense for Ram to admit that the bat was his, or that he'd keep such an obvious paper trail. The evidence indicated Tony hadn't arrived home until 2.05pm and had been attacked anywhere between then and 2.10pm. Ram had called emergency services at 2.20. If Ram had committed the crimes, why would he have called for help so quickly when there was
Starting point is 01:09:55 no pressure for him to do so? Why give himself mere minutes to clean the crime scene, leaving just a small amount of Tony's blood on his feet, when he had plenty of time available to ensure a thorough clean up. And why clean the baseball bat after the attack on Charlie Young, but not after the attack on Tony. When Ram Tiwari's trial began in June 2006, almost three years after the murders, the major focus was the blood evidence. The prosecution argued that the reason none of Charlie Young's blood was on Ram was because he'd washed before murdering Tony. The defence pointed out there was no evidence to indicate a clean-up had occurred, and the only
Starting point is 01:10:45 reason the very small amount of Tony's blood was on Ram was because he had coughed while Ram was checking on him. The prosecution called two expert witnesses who were tested to the impossibility of this scenario. One testified that Tony's head injuries would have immediately sent him into such a deep state of unconsciousness that his cough reflex wouldn't have been functional. The other, a forensic pathologist, agreed with this finding. However, upon cross-examination, he said that the cough reflex is lost gradually and conceded that there was a remote possibility that Tony was not so deeply unconscious that he'd lost the ability to cough. A neurologist named Dr Mark Hirsch gave evidence for the defence that the cough reflex was
Starting point is 01:11:37 one of the last things to go in severely injured patients. Dr Hirsch explained that if damage was only done to the upper part of the brain, as in Tony's case, then the cough reflex could still be activated. Dr Hirsch was of the opinion that Tony not only could have coughed as Ram claimed, but that he would have. A neurosurgeon, Dr John Matheson, agreed. He explained that head injuries are progressive in nature. Death can be slow, occurring after brainstem function stops and cardiac arrest occurs. Blood found in Tony's lungs indicated that his airway would have been irritated, which Dr Matheson said would have
Starting point is 01:12:25 caused an inevitable coughing reflex. He had witnessed this himself in another patient. Given the position Tony's body was in, Dr Matheson believed that any coughed up blood probably hadn't come from Tony's mouth, but through the knife wounds in his neck. It was significant that the prosecution declined to cross-examine Dr Matheson. As a result of the expert testimony, the judge instructed the jury that the prosecution's witnesses had not provided proper evidence to convict Ram Tiwari. He stated, The state of the medical evidence at the end of the day is that not only could Tony have coughed, but that he did. Ram chose not to take the stand. The prosecution attacked his credibility based
Starting point is 01:13:23 on what they claimed were the various lies he'd told during the course of the investigation. There was his story about being asleep while the attacks took place, the varying claims he'd told to friends about his presence at the crime scene, his denial that he owed any rent money to Charlie Young, and the creation of the fictitious Andrew. Given all these lies, the prosecution asked the jury, why would you believe anything else, he said. After hearing all the evidence and closing arguments, it took the jury five days of deliberation before reaching their verdict. For the murders of Tae-chul Young and Tony Tan Po Chuan, they found Ram Tiwari guilty on all counts.
Starting point is 01:14:16 Some in court noted that the judge seemed genuinely surprised by this verdict. Nonetheless, he ordered that Ram be removed from the courtroom and taken back to prison. Ram's parents and brother, who had flown over from Singapore to attend the trial, watched on in shock and dismay as the bailiff led him away. At Ram's sentencing five months later, the judge stated that the prosecution had not established adequate evidence to prove a motive. He said, "...the offender himself appears to have been a person of good character. Nothing has been produced to suggest that he was prone to any form of violence. All the indications are that he and his two flatmates got on well together.
Starting point is 01:15:07 At the same time, it is obvious that only the most powerful motive could have provoked the offender into committing two such extraordinarily violent murders. I am sceptical, however, that a dispute over the payment of rent could have been sufficient to trigger the extremely violent attacks undertaken by the offender. But this does not seem to me to matter very much, since if the attack on Mr Tay was provoked by a demand for rent, it could not be regarded as in the slightest degree mitigating. The judge found no evidence that Ram was suffering any form of psychiatric or mental health issues at the time he committed the crimes. He believed the emotion Ram showed during the call to
Starting point is 01:15:53 emergency services was genuine, stating, "...the significance of this finding is that, although there was a substantial element of premeditation, at least so far as Mr Tan's murder was concerned, these acts of extreme violence were not committed with indifference to the gravity and dreadfulness of what Ram Tiwari was doing. I do not doubt that the offender was emotionally affected by, and was fully aware how heinous were the terrible acts that, nevertheless, he deliberately committed. While the judge acknowledged that Ram's conviction had been a nightmare for his family, he added, At the same time, I should also acknowledge the dreadful sense of loss that has been suffered by
Starting point is 01:16:42 the families of the two murdered victims, who lost their lives when they were still young, who had been successful at their studies, and who had futures full of promise. Their families will continue to suffer from this terrible loss without remission, except for such slight relief as time might afford. There is no evidence of remorse or contrition. As I do not know what led the offender to commit these murders, I am unable to make any finding about the likelihood of rehabilitation one way or another.
Starting point is 01:17:20 The judge concluded that Tony Tan Pochawan's was the more serious of the two murders, not because it was intrinsically more heinous, but because it was done to remove a potentially incriminating witness from the scene, and thus there was no doubt that it was premeditated. Taking these factors into account, the judge sentenced Ram Tiwari to 25 years imprisonment for the murder of Charlie Young and life for the murder of Tony. Ram's lawyers appealed his conviction and sentence, arguing the verdicts were unreasonable and lacked evidently support. They highlighted the case's many unanswered questions, including Tony's odd behaviour on Monday September 15 2003, his apparent knowledge that Charlie Young would be absent from university
Starting point is 01:18:13 that day, and why he unexpectedly accepted a ride from strangers just before his murder. If Ram was guilty, they questioned why he hadn't concealed key evidence such as notes on rent and the baseball bat purchase. It took the panel of appellate judges two months to return with their decision, which was handed down in December 2008, five years after the double homicide. In addition to agreeing that the verdicts were unreasonable and unsupported by the evidence, the appellate judges acknowledged that the inconsistent stories Ram told about what had happened on the day of the crimes did not make him a liar. On the contrary, their judgement stated,
Starting point is 01:19:01 the trauma of the events may have been sufficient to cause an innocent person in his position to be confused about their precise movements and recollection. The statement also pointed out that if Ram's story was fake, he would be more likely to remember the details. Their report stated that his version of events were, quote, "...so different you might have thought if he was going to fabricate that he would have got it right, especially if he is, as the Crown says, as cunning as the Crown submits he is." The Court of Appeal quashed Ram Tiwari's sentences, with the judges finding that the trial had miscarried. However, they stopped short of acquitting Ram entirely, and instead ordered a retrial. By the time the retrial commenced in August 2009, Ram Tuwari was 30 years old and had spent just
Starting point is 01:20:02 over five years in prison. Although he hired a new defence team and once again exercised his right to remain silent, the evidence presented by both sides was essentially the same as during the first trial. The judge reminded the jury that the prosecution did not have to prove the motive, and again, the jury reached the same verdict – guilty on both counts of murder. However, this time the judge sentenced Ram to 25 years imprisonment for the murder of Tae-Chul Lee Young and only 40 years for the murder of Tony Tan Po Chuan. This meant Ram would be eligible for parole in 2042, aged in his early 60s. For the next two and a half years Ram continued to maintain his innocence. Again, he appealed his conviction on the grounds that the jury had reached its verdict based on unfounded evidence.
Starting point is 01:21:07 grounds that the jury had reached its verdict based on unfounded evidence. In mid-2012, he was granted a second appeal hearing in the Court of Criminal Appeal, which went ahead in July 2012. This time, to explain the lack of blood on Ram or any of his clothing, the prosecution proposed a new theory. They claimed that Ram had committed the attacks naked and then washed himself clean before calling for help. After a second day of questioning, the appellate judges requested time to discuss among themselves. While the first appeal bench had taken two months to reach their decision, the second took just two days. The Court of Criminal Appeal found that there was considerable suspicion when it came to Ram's version of events. Although the prosecution's case was plausible, the judges called several
Starting point is 01:22:00 aspects into consideration, in particular the lack of forensic evidence linking Ram to the crimes. They accepted that the small amount of blood on Ram could have come from Tony coughing as he lay dying. In regards to the suggestion that Ram had committed the crimes naked, the judges stated, If the bathroom had been used by the appellant to wash himself, he would have had to carefully dry the bathroom surfaces and himself. This would have required clothing or a towel which would have been wet. No such wet clothes or towel were placed into evidence. Furthermore, if Ram had just bludgeoned and stabbed Tony in a frenzied attack, the judges stated that the clean-up would have had to be very carefully handled.
Starting point is 01:22:54 Quote, Sloppy or careless work will see him undone. The killing was in all likelihood done sometime after 2.05pm, possibly after 2.10pm. By 2.20 or 2.21pm, Ram has called emergency services. Not only is this barely enough time to undertake the task of dispatching Mr Tan, washing and drying himself, and washing and drying the bathroom, but it raises the question why he would place himself under such time pressure. The judges also found that Ram's voice showed genuine fear during the call, and that at
Starting point is 01:23:36 times it verged on hysteria. While they acknowledged that emotions could be faked, they concluded, quote, This would not appear to be the action of someone who was methodically planned and affected the execution of both Mr Tay and Tan. Furthermore, they found that the inconsistencies in Ram's version of events could be explained by the trauma he'd experienced in having witnessed the battered corpses of his friends. The judges sided with Ram in asserting that many of the case's more puzzling aspects remained inadequately explained by the prosecution. They found it reasonable to believe that the murders could have been committed by whoever picked Tony up from university that day. If the driver of the car had simply dropped Tony off at home, the judges questioned why they had not come forward to clear their names, despite police appeals for information. However, they
Starting point is 01:24:40 also thought it was possible that Ram Tiwari knew who that person or their passengers were, and that he might have more knowledge of what happened. Some of his behaviour could have potentially been explained by fear of consequences to himself, while it was also possible that Ram had some complicity in the killings. Regardless, the possible involvement of others, combined with the lack of forensic evidence connecting Ram to the murders, was enough to raise reasonable doubt in their minds. With that, the judges overturned Ram's conviction and declared that a third trial would not be necessary. After eight years in prison, Ram Tiwari was a free man.
Starting point is 01:25:33 Ram's period of incarceration had not been easy. Not only was he separated from his family in a foreign country and struggling to understand a legal system he had no prior knowledge of, the unhygienic conditions of prison life led Ram to develop Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. While Ram had always understood and agreed that the circumstances of what happened on September 15, 2003 were suspicious, he'd spent years grappling to understand how he could have been convicted for a double murder when so many elements of the case did not add up. As Ram later wrote in his book titled, 99 Months, The Case of the Sydney Double Murders, he wondered whether racism could
Starting point is 01:26:21 have played a role. According to Ram, before his trial, a fellow inmate who had been behind bars for a long time told him, If you are brown skinned and you are charged with a violent crime, you will be convicted. If you are yellow skinned and charged with a drug crime, you will be convicted. If you are Aboriginal, look it, and are charged with any crime, you will be convicted. If you fall outside those groups, only then does reasonable doubt come into play with the jury. After his conviction was quashed, Ram returned to Singapore. He spent some time travelling before returning to normal life, eager to fly under the radar as much as possible. His years behind bars taught him to be grateful for every small joy in life, such as walking into a store, enjoying a leisurely walk,
Starting point is 01:27:20 or simply leaning out of an open window. In his book, Ram wrote that while he tries not to be bitter about what happened to him, the question of why he was convicted continues to haunt him. After years of research and discussions with various groups of people, Ram concluded that it all came down to human nature on the part of the police and the jury. He wrote, When tragedy strikes, we need someone to blame. Most of us have an inherent belief that the system works, that when the police charge someone and a prosecutor asserts in court that the defendant is guilty, they must be because why would the police lie? I know this because up till the day of my arrest I thought exactly the same way. I discovered the
Starting point is 01:28:14 hard way that this is not how the legal system works. It is just easier to console with a conviction. The two detectives overseeing the investigation into Charlie Young and Tony's murders were demoted in the wake of Ram's first trial. While Ram is grateful for what his experience taught him, he claims there is one thing he will never find peace with. His decision to barricade himself inside his bedroom on the day of the murders instead of going outside to help. Ram wrote, My reaction, which I profoundly regret and am so deeply ashamed of, which I cannot fully explain to myself much less to anyone else, which will haunt me every living day.
Starting point is 01:29:04 less to anyone else, which will haunt me every living day." The news of Ram's acquittal came as a huge shock to the family of Tony Tan-Po-Chawan, who were steadfast in their belief that Ram was guilty and acted alone. Tony's sister told the Get Real program, "...how can he be acquitted? Does that mean that my brother died for nothing? What right did Ram have to appeal? It's like you're digging into the wounds of the victims' families, forcing them to remember what happened. Tony's death and Ram's subsequent acquittal deeply impacted Tony's family, who yearned for justice to be served. Seeking spiritual guidance, Tony's mother visited a medium who advised her not to cry for Tony, as it would make him sad. Standing at Tony's gravesite,
Starting point is 01:29:59 his mother lovingly stroked a photo of her son, telling, get real. Look at him, so beautiful, so handsome. It hurts us to think about how the bat came down on him. He died a horrible death. He was beaten to death. It cuts my heart. Each time I come, I cry. But I can't cry. He said I mustn't cry. We'll leave it to heaven. Heaven's watching. While Tony's family has been vocal about the case, Charlie Youngs have maintained a low profile. They haven't spoken publicly about the crime and didn't provide victim impact statements to the court. The driver and passengers of the white car Tony was seen getting into on the day of the murders have never been identified, and no one has been held accountable for the two deaths. The bodies of Charlie Young and Tony were returned to Singapore,
Starting point is 01:31:06 their time in Australia marked only by the degrees they were posthumously granted by the University of New South Wales. As investigative journalist Malcolm Knox explained in his SBS article, A Violent Act, if justice was not delivered to anyone, it was in part because of a failure of connection. The lives of the three men in that flat were not known deeply enough or sufficiently embedded in an Australian city for the crime to be solved. The search for the killer or killers remains incomplete. Just as so many Asian students pass through Australian cities like ghosts, their money taken and their degrees given, so will these three. Hey, this is Will Liu from the Hello and Welcome Podcast, and Google Pixel just sent me their
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