Casefile True Crime - Case 50: Jennifer Pan

Episode Date: April 15, 2017

On the evening of November 8 2010, 25-year-old University of Toronto student Jennifer Pan was relaxing in the bedroom of her family home in the Ontario neighbourhood of Unionville. Her parents, Bich H...a and Hann Huei, were also home at the time. Suddenly, Jennifer heard unfamiliar voices downstairs, followed by thudding footsteps. She immediately knew that something was very wrong. ---  Researched and written by Anna Priestland For all credits and sources please visit casefilepodcast.com/case-50-jennifer-pan

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm on your part. Help me please, I need help. Where are you ma'am? Two, three, eight. How are you? I think we just got off. Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, calm down. What's going on?
Starting point is 00:00:19 Some people broke into our house. Okay, okay. The show's all in money. Okay, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. There's three percent help. Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. Where are you?
Starting point is 00:00:32 Two, three, eight what? Avenue. Two, three, eight Avenue Road. Can you spell the name for me please? Dad? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh! Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. Hello?
Starting point is 00:00:49 Okay, bye! Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, Two, three, and Helen, my dad just went outside screaming. Ma'am, can you spell the street address for me, please? H-E-L-E-N. So I'm broken, and I heard shots like pop. I don't know what's happening. I'm tied upstairs.
Starting point is 00:01:09 And I think my dad went outside and he's screaming. OK, you're upstairs? You think someone's still in the house? I heard them leave. I don't know if they're still around. OK, can you lock your door? Are you upstairs? I can't.
Starting point is 00:01:23 I'm tied, but I had to tie my own. You're tied? I had my cell phone in my pocket. Someone invaded your home, ma'am? Yes, and I heard shots. They had guns, and they were holding me at gunpoint. So it's true. OK, do you hear your mom anywhere, Dancer?
Starting point is 00:01:40 Do you think your mom's outside, too? My father is. Do you think your mom is downstairs, too, still, or is? I don't hear her anymore. OK, just take a deep breath, OK? Do you know if you believe, do you know that if they know your parents, anything like that, with any relation to them, do they call them there?
Starting point is 00:01:55 I don't think so. They just came and tied you up, and? They came in, and they were like, boys, all your money, where's your money, where's your wallet, and they? They were asking you for money? Yeah, could you call my uncle and my aunt, please? OK. They missed your phone.
Starting point is 00:02:14 So are you OK? They have lots of help on the way, OK? What's your name? My name is Jennifer. Jennifer? OK, Jennifer. You're doing a great job, OK? Oh!
Starting point is 00:02:30 I don't think I hear them. You hear them? OK, just stay on the phone until you see them, OK? Jennifer? Jennifer? Yeah? You're still on the phone, right? OK, do you see anyone there?
Starting point is 00:02:46 Yeah, I hear them. Hello? Hello? Hello? Hello, Mark? I'm on the phone. OK, Jennifer, they're with you, OK? I don't know where my mom is.
Starting point is 00:03:01 I don't know. I don't know where my mom is. Jennifer? Yes? They're with you, right? I don't see them yet. I hear them. OK, you want to stay on the phone until you see them?
Starting point is 00:03:10 I hear them. They're there, OK? I don't know where my mom is. Jennifer, I'm going to hang up, OK? OK. OK, take care, OK? Here we are, OK? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:19 OK. On November 8, 2010, just after 9.30 p.m., 25-year-old Jennifer Pian was in her bedroom. She had her TV on and was chatting on the phone while getting ready for bed. She had spent the afternoon practicing the piano and studying piano history for an upcoming test. She'd been playing the piano since she was four years old.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Earlier that day, Jennifer's mother, 53-year-old Bicar, went to visit Jennifer's grandfather and run some errands around Markham in Ontario, Canada. Bicar returned home around 3 in the afternoon. Jennifer's father, 57-year-old Han, had gotten home later than usual from work. He worked half an hour away at an automotive manufacturer in Scarborough, Ontario.
Starting point is 00:04:29 He was a metal tool and dye operator. Han had forgotten to lock a toolbox and remembered when he was already halfway home, so he had to turn back. When he got home just after 4.30 p.m., he called his brother, Jennifer's uncle, to see if he wanted to join him shopping. They went to Home Depot.
Starting point is 00:04:47 Bicar cooked dinner and ate with Jennifer before going to her line dancing class, which she attended every Monday. They put Han's dinner aside for when he got home from shopping. Han got home around 6.15 p.m. He ate his dinner alone and then went to the study, which was upstairs next to his and Bicar's bedroom.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Han logged onto his computer to catch up on the latest Vietnamese news before going to bed. He always went to bed early as he had to get up for work at 5 a.m. About 6.30 p.m., Jennifer's friend, Adrian, visited her. They regularly had TV nights together, and Adrian had bought over the latest episodes
Starting point is 00:05:24 of Gossip Girl and How I Met Your Mother for them to catch up on. They went down to the basement TV room together. Adrian left about 9 p.m. and Jennifer went upstairs to her bedroom. Jennifer put the TV on in her room. The amazing race was on. About 9.15 p.m., she heard her mum
Starting point is 00:05:42 get home from line dancing. Jennifer went downstairs and spoke briefly to her mum, who was also watching TV. Jennifer then went back up to her room where she continued watching TV and called her friend, an old co-worker, Edward Pacificador. Around 20 minutes later,
Starting point is 00:06:02 Jennifer could hear movement downstairs and voices she didn't recognise. Her mother, who nearly always spoke in a mix of Vietnamese and her native Cantonese, yelled out for Han in English in a tone that Jennifer knew meant now. It startled Jennifer. There were people in the house.
Starting point is 00:06:21 She heard footsteps studying so loudly up the stairs she knew they could not be her parents. They couldn't be her younger brother Felix either. He was living half an hour away at university. Jennifer hung up the phone on Edward and sat frozen in her room. She was too scared to turn the TV down and she was too scared to open the door.
Starting point is 00:06:39 She was too scared to move. She heard men shouting outside a room and then her dad yelling. Han had been asleep but was woken up by the commotion to see a man wearing a baseball cap standing over him. But without his glasses on, Han couldn't see properly. Where's the fucking money? The man in the cap screamed.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Before Han got a chance to act, it was dragged downstairs to where another man was standing over his wife of 30 years because he was cowering and crying in her silky green Winnie the Pooh pajamas. All the lights were off. There was just the glove, the TV lighting the room. The first words, big heart cried to Han,
Starting point is 00:07:16 where, how did they get in? Han replied, I don't know, I was sleeping. One of the men yelled, shut up, you talk too much. Upstairs, Jennifer got the courage to open her door a little. A man with dreadlocks flopping around his face saw her. He walked towards her carrying string. He grabbed her hands and tied them behind her back. I have a gun behind your back.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Do what I say. If you do what I say, then no one will get hurt. Where is the money? Show me where your money is. Jennifer gave the man $2,000 cash she had saved. He then dragged her to her parents' room. Show me where they keep the money. Jennifer said she didn't know.
Starting point is 00:07:55 And so the man trashed the room with the help of one of the other attackers. They found some money in Big Heart's bedside table. One of the men dragged Jennifer into the hallway and down the stairs to where her parents were pleading. He made her kneel on the ground near the foot of the stairs, away from both her parents. This is when Jennifer first realized
Starting point is 00:08:14 there were three attackers in total, all men. But she couldn't really see the third man. They were all carrying guns. The third attacker was yelling at her mother. Big Heart tried to get up off the floor, but the man was yelling at her to get back down. Big Heart's poor English left her confused. She didn't know what he was saying.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Jennifer yelled out to her mom to sit down. She didn't want her to get hurt. The man kept yelling, where's the fucking money? Han said, I'll have $60 in my pants upstairs, but my possessions are worth plenty. One of the men dragged Jennifer back up the stairs towards her parents' room again.
Starting point is 00:08:55 He found the cash. Jennifer remembered her mother had more money stashed and told the man where it was in the bedroom. It was around $1,100 US, left over from a trip to the United States they had just taken to go to a wedding. Jennifer hoped this would be enough money for them to let her and her family go.
Starting point is 00:09:14 But the men had other ideas. They tied Jennifer to the banister at the top of the stairs. One of the men downstairs started to look around the kitchen. He was looking for Big Heart's purse. He even looked in the fridge. I need the fucking money! Han received a hard blow to the back of his head
Starting point is 00:09:32 and he watched his blood sprayed over the living room sofa as he fell down. Fucking get up! Han and Big Heart were forced down the basement stairs. Big Heart was hysterically crying, unable to control herself. You can hurt us, but please don't hurt our daughter. Jennifer screamed out from upstairs
Starting point is 00:09:52 to let her go with her parents. Han remained silent. He realized this wasn't just a break-in. The basement was set up as a TV room with a large leather reclining chair and a two-seater sofa. Blankets were scattered around. The TV and stereo cabinet was in the corner
Starting point is 00:10:11 with pictures, knickknacks, and a vase of fresh flowers. Han and Big Heart were forced onto the sofa with one of the gunmen throwing blankets over their heads. Before Han got to look, his attack is in the face. He was shot twice in quick succession. The first shot struck his face, fracturing the bone in the inner corner of his right eye, raising his carotid artery,
Starting point is 00:10:33 the main artery, which runs down your neck. The second shot hit him in the right shoulder and exited out the back. Big Heart was screaming, more shots rung out. One, two, three. The first entered at the base of Big Heart's neck, the second through her right shoulder, and the third entered and exited her skull,
Starting point is 00:10:56 killing her instantly. Jennifer was cowering at the top of the stairs. She heard the shots ring out. She heard one of the men say, we've got to go now, it's been too long. The string which was tying her to the banister had a gap of about eight inches, which allowed her to reach into the waistband
Starting point is 00:11:14 of her yoga pants for her phone. She dialed 911. You heard the call at the start of the episode. Han was silent, but he was not dead. Within seconds, he regained consciousness and turned to his wife slumped on the floor. There was blood everywhere. He cried her name over and over, but she was gone.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Han was in agony, his face dripping with blood. He was unable to see a thing without his glasses. He was moaning and yelling as he crawled up the basement stairs to the main level of the house. Jennifer was calling out to him from upstairs, crying for him, but he ran for the front door, trying to get help. Outside, a neighbor, Peter Chung, was on his way to work.
Starting point is 00:11:57 He walked outside of his house just after the attackers fled in a waiting car. He was confronted by a frantic Han as he collapsed on the ground covered in blood. Police sirens got louder as they approached the house. Peter was with Han when they arrived. Constable Mike Stesco and his partner, Brian Darrock, were two of the first officers on the scene.
Starting point is 00:12:19 They approached Han, who was covered in blood and saw a trail leading from the house to where he had fallen. Han was moaning and wailing, but managed to say his wife was shot and his daughter was still inside. Other officers started to arrive. One of those was Constable Mason Baines.
Starting point is 00:12:37 The officers had no idea where the gunman were, but their first job was to check inside and clear the house. They approached with their guns drawn. They could hear Jennifer's cries for help upstairs. Constable Stesco and Baines went down to the basement. They were followed by Darrock, who momentarily went downstairs as backup before going upstairs to Jennifer.
Starting point is 00:12:58 It's Darrock you can hear approach her in the 911 call. In the basement, they saw the body of Big Heart on the floor. There was a large pool of blood around her. They attempted to get a response from her, but they got nothing. The paramedics arrived and took over. Darrock climbed the stairs
Starting point is 00:13:15 to where Jennifer was huddled at the top, her hands only loosely tied now with the shoelace. She was sobbing as she hung up the phone from the 911 operator. Jennifer told Darrock she didn't know where the attackers were. Darrock gripped his weapon. He moved past Jennifer to check the other rooms of the top floor.
Starting point is 00:13:33 There was no one there. The men were gone. Darrock walked back to Jennifer, who was sitting on the floor slightly to one side, her legs underneath her and her hands centered in front of her. Her hands were bound with a long shoelace, tightly enough that Darrock needed to find some scissors to cut the lace away,
Starting point is 00:13:50 but loosely enough, Jennifer could move her hands around eight inches away from the banister. There was no bruising or redness on her wrists that he could see. She was unharmed. Darrock helped her downstairs, putting his own jacket over her
Starting point is 00:14:04 and walking her towards a paramedic. Jennifer called out for her father as he was being willed into an ambulance himself. The paramedics helped Jennifer into the ambulance, accompanied by a constable Darrock. She asked Darrock where her mother was. He told her that her mother had died in the basement. Jennifer put her head down
Starting point is 00:14:24 and covered her face with her hands. By now, neighbors were outside wondering what was going on. The neighbor who had found hand was standing in shock, relaying what he had seen to an officer. None of them knew B. Carr was dead. Some neighbors were relatives and others were very close friends. Once Jennifer had calmed down,
Starting point is 00:14:44 constable Darrock asked her what she remembered about the home invasion. She said there were three men, one with dreadlocks, but that's all she could get out. Constable Mike Stesco relayed in his reports what he witnessed at the scene. Although he had seen a trail of blood splatter on the way in, upon entering the house, he said, quote,
Starting point is 00:15:04 everything in the house seemed to be where it should be. Obviously, we've done home invasions in the past where the house has been ransacked, but nothing was out of place, nothing taken. But upstairs was a different story. The master bedroom had been ransacked. Dresser drawers had been pulled out and emptied all over the floor.
Starting point is 00:15:22 The mattress pulled off and tipped over on its side. But apart from that, no furniture elsewhere in the house had been disturbed. The house at 240 Helen Avenue, Markham, Ontario, was a middle-class suburban home, a two-story brown brick house with two white garage doors. It had a large front porch with pillars leading up to welcoming double front doors.
Starting point is 00:15:45 In a suburb of large homes, it didn't stand out from the rest. Most houses were similar and most of the residents were Asian families like the parents. From the outside, there was no obvious reason for this house to be targeted over any others. The city of Markham, just north of Toronto,
Starting point is 00:16:02 is in the region of York. It's about as safe and as quiet as suburbs get in the area. The community was tight-knit. A woman who lived in the parents' street said, quote, we've been here 10 years, people don't understand. Why this house? There are bigger homes in the area. Maybe they thought they were an easy target.
Starting point is 00:16:24 The parents were a simple, quiet, hard-working family. That didn't make sense. In the year prior to the home invasion at the parents' 2009, the York region had a total of 14 home invasions, which was half the amount they had in 2008. Markham had experienced six home invasions so far that year up to November 2010, none of which had ended in murder. Home invasions were nearly always targeted attacks.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Drugs were a common motive, but a random home invasion which ended in murder was almost unheard of in Markham. Almost every detective in the region was assigned to the parent case in some way. Within a day, home security companies descended on the suburb door-knocking and selling camera systems. The baffled and fronting community
Starting point is 00:17:11 wondered who would be next. Canadian statistics for the year prior to the attack on the parents showed that of 453 solved homicides, 242 over half were committed by partners, 87 were committed by a blood relative, 42 were committed by an acquaintance, leaving 82 murders in the year prior
Starting point is 00:17:32 committed by someone unknown to the victim, including people caught in crossfire. Han and Bicar Pan had both been raised and educated in Vietnam. They arrived to Canada separately in 1979 as political refugees. They met in Toronto and got married not long after. In 1986, their first child, Jennifer, was born, followed three years later by their son, Felix.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Han and Bicar worked hard in their first jobs at an automotive parts manufacturer in Aurora, a town just over an hour's drive from Toronto. They lived a frugal life in the Toronto District of Scarborough. They didn't like living there. It was a rough neighborhood and they were robbed. Han and Bicar made it their goal to move their family to a better area.
Starting point is 00:18:18 By 2004, they had saved hard and moved to Markham. They bought a large home with a two-car garage on a quiet residential street. Markham had a large Asian community and they were close to relatives and friends. By the late 2000s, Han was driving a Mercedes-Benz and a Bicar, a Lexus.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Bicar lost her job in 2008 when the company had cutbacks. She found it hard to find employment, but her and Han continued to make it work, especially for the education of their children. By 2010, they had saved $200,000 in the bank and could afford to support their two children through college. Their hard work and dedication was very evident.
Starting point is 00:19:00 They were strict parents who seemingly lived for their children. They wanted to give their children all the things they weren't able to have growing up. They seemed happy, but for two years leading up to the home invasion, they slept the most nights in separate rooms. According to Jennifer,
Starting point is 00:19:15 they hadn't been getting along very well at all. There had always been tension, but lately it had gotten worse. Lots of arguments in yelling would occur most days. Jennifer sometimes had to mediate and be the common ground between them. Jennifer felt that if she could be good for them, they would be happy.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Han and Big Car pushed their kids academically, wanting the best for them. In the early days, before moving to Markham, Jennifer, then four years old, was playing the piano. By the time she was in elementary school, she had a room full of awards. She figure-skated from a young age, but not for fun. She trained hard in the hope she would make it
Starting point is 00:19:54 onto the 2010 Canadian Winter Olympic Team. Even as a young child, Jennifer would often train until 10 p.m., then go home and do homework till midnight. But Jennifer started to bomb out in skating competitions. She tried to hide her devastation from her parents, not wanting to add worry to their disappointment. Sometimes Big Car would comfort her,
Starting point is 00:20:15 saying, you know, all we want from you is just your best. Just do what you can. At Mary Ward Catholic Secondary College in grade eight, Jennifer worked hard. It was expected that she would receive Valor Dictorian that year, the top honor of her grade, as well as receive a bunch of awards
Starting point is 00:20:34 for her academic achievements. But she didn't win Valor Dictorian. She won no awards. She put on what she would later describe as her happy mask. In spite of this, and in the proud eyes of her parents, Jennifer went on to do well. The expectation was that both the pan children would go to Toronto University.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Han and Big Car also had very set ideas about Jennifer's extracurricular activities. She was allowed to figure skate as long as she worked towards her goal of nationals or the Olympic team. She could pursue music, but she had to work hard on music theory and pass exams. She was not allowed to go to parties, dances,
Starting point is 00:21:14 and most importantly, she was not allowed to have a boyfriend. Her focus in life were her studies and her goals. She never had sleepovers, and she never went on trips away with anyone. She was, however, allowed to go on a two-week band trip to Europe towards the end of high school in 2003. This is where Jennifer and her friend, Daniel Wong,
Starting point is 00:21:34 became more than just friends. That summer, they started seeing each other, but Jennifer didn't dare tell her parents. Jennifer had met Daniel in grade 11 at band practice. Daniel was also the son of Asian immigrants. He had a Filipino and Chinese background. During the last year of high school, Daniel's parents moved him to the Cardinal Carter Academy,
Starting point is 00:21:55 an art school in North York. He was falling behind in his studies at Mary Ward, and he was starting to get himself into trouble dealing drugs. By the end of school, he had been charged with trafficking cannabis after half a pound was found in his car. Jennifer didn't like the drug dealing. She wasn't interested in drugs
Starting point is 00:22:14 and didn't really want him to deal. Daniel refused to stop, but he kept her out of it, and Jennifer was spintin' with Daniel, so nothing was going to stop her seeing him, not his drug dealing and not her parents. When her parents eventually found out she had a boyfriend, they immediately put an end to it. But Jennifer didn't end it.
Starting point is 00:22:33 She kept her relationship with Daniel a secret and snuck around behind her parents back to keep seeing him. Jennifer's grades were high enough to get her accepted into Ryus and University on early admission. Even though this wasn't Toronto University, Ian and Bicar were thrilled when they learned Jennifer had received a scholarship to Ryuson, and they supported her decision
Starting point is 00:22:53 to do two years there studying science. Her plan was to then transfer to Toronto University to study pharmacology. They supported her financially, depositing money into her bank account, and they often drove her to University. They even allowed her to spend a couple of nights a week at a fellow classmates' house,
Starting point is 00:23:11 so she wasn't so exhausted. There was a time during University where Jennifer's parents found out she was seeing Daniel again. They were furious and made her stop seeing him. Jennifer understood. She knew they just had her best interest at heart, and so she told them she had cut off communication with him and continued on with her studies.
Starting point is 00:23:32 When she got a work placement at the hospital for sick kids in Toronto, Jennifer's parents thought their dream for their daughter had been realised. After the homing invasion, Jennifer was taken to hospital where she was seen by doctors and crisis workers. She was told her father was undergoing life-saving surgery and was in a critical condition.
Starting point is 00:23:51 She was given medication to calm her down as she was badly shaken and suffering a shock, but physically she was unharmed. At 1.31 a.m., when doctors felt she was stable enough to be released, she was taken by Constable Darroch to Markham Police Station so she could make a statement. Once there, police seized her phone in case it could help them with any information
Starting point is 00:24:13 as to why her family was targeted. A major case management unit was quickly put together. Three experienced investigators formed what is known as a command triangle. Having three head investigators gives the team the ability to have three sets of eyes on all aspects of the investigation and was the best strategy for managing the large team of officers who were working on the case.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Detective Sergeant Larry Wilson, the most experienced of the three, was named the Senior Investigating Officer, responsible for the direction of the investigation. Detective Bill Curtis was put in charge of running the day-to-day tactical strategy. He had previously led five homicide investigations and had been involved in a total of 80 others,
Starting point is 00:24:54 including one of Markham's most infamous, involving convicted murderer, Chris Little. Curtis was harsh, but had an excellent track record. Detective Constable Allen Cook, a former drugs and vice detective who also worked in the intelligence unit, was placed as the file coordinator. Cook was known for his undercover expertise.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Veteran York Regional Police Detective, Randy Slade, was on duty. He had already met Jennifer at the hospital. Jennifer was shaken and in shock, but Slade explained that giving her statement now was going to be their best chance of finding the people responsible. By the time he sat down in the interview room with Jennifer,
Starting point is 00:25:33 it was 2.45 a.m. She had just lost her mom and her dad was in hospital fighting for his life. Jennifer was 25, but could easily pass for 16. Detective Slade explained to the forms he needed her to sign, the standard procedure for giving a voluntary statement. He was very careful to put Jennifer at ease and he explained she didn't have to give a statement
Starting point is 00:25:54 if she didn't want to or wasn't ready. Do you understand the criminal consequences of making a false statement? Yes. Do you understand that it is your choice whether or not to give a statement? Yes. Do you understand the importance of telling the truth?
Starting point is 00:26:15 Yes, I do. With respect to this investigation? If you have spoken to any police officer or person in authority in connection with the investigation, I want it clearly understood, but I do not want it to influence you in making a statement. Do you understand? Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Do you have any questions? So basically, just start anew right now. So what I've just explained to you is you're here voluntarily to help us, that you don't have to talk to us if you don't want to, but the importance of talking to us and if you're talking to us, the importance of telling the truth. And if you don't tell the truth, there's criminal consequences for not telling the truth.
Starting point is 00:26:59 That's all that stuff had to deal with, okay? Okay. You can't point the finger at someone else. You can't tell us to go off in a different direction. You just got to tell us the truth. But I know. Exactly. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:27:12 And do you have any questions with respect to what I've just told you? This is just like sitting sometimes like parts come back that I didn't remember when I started. No one is, and that's the process. This is going to be a long process. This is an initial statement from you. We may, you know, as you remember other things, you may be asked, you may want to come in and tell us things.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Okay. No one is going to tell you how to give us a perfect statement. You just do what the best you can given what you're dealing with, okay? Any other questions? At the beginning of the interview, Jennifer started to realise the enormity of what had just happened to her and her family. She sat nervously in the chair, pulling the sleeves of her sweater over her wrists and went between rubbing her thighs to covering her face with her hands crying.
Starting point is 00:28:01 At the first mention of her mother's death, Jennifer put her head down and started to cry. Slade told Jennifer he would get her some tissues before saying, you have nothing to apologise for Jennifer. It's going to be tough, but you know the importance of this statement. You have nothing to apologise to me for. I am here to help you, okay? Slade left the room to grab the tissues. Jennifer sat with her head down and her hands over her face.
Starting point is 00:28:29 She appeared to be crying. When Slade opened the door to walk back in, Jennifer jumped about a half a foot in the air. Detective Slade asked Jennifer to tell him as much about the day as she could. Then they moved on to what happened during the home invasion. Jennifer told him the story start to finish. Next, Slade asked her to tell him again, but in a different way. He asked Jennifer to recall the invasion, but this time as if she was looking down on the event. This is a technique which helps witnesses recall parts of what they saw that they may
Starting point is 00:29:00 not necessarily have recalled before. It can also show investigators if there is any change or inconsistency in the witness's story. Jennifer described the men as best she could. One was of African American appearance with dreadlocks that were shorter at the front and longer at the back. He was of medium build in between 28 and 32 years of age. He wore black leather gloves. The second man she described as taller, with a smaller frame, wearing a dark colored bandana
Starting point is 00:29:28 which covered the bottom half of his face and a hooded sweater. The third man didn't engage with Jennifer at all. She couldn't describe his appearance, but she recognized that maybe he had a Jamaican accent. This new technique enabled Jennifer to remember details about the home invasion that she was unable to recall before. She remembers that the man with the dreadlocks yelled out to the thinner man to tell Kazi, who was the third man, to get some more string. That was how she was tied to the bannister upstairs.
Starting point is 00:29:58 She also described seeing the cylinder of a gun and remembered more details about the third man. While retelling the story about the gunshots she heard while tied to the bannister, Jennifer recalled the man with the dreadlock saying that's enough after a few gunshots. After hearing the words that's enough, Jennifer heard one more shot. This would be the shot that killed her mother. About one hour into the interview, Jennifer remembered more detail. She was able to clearly differentiate the three voices of the attackers and could tell which of the three men was saying what.
Starting point is 00:30:30 She could hear the words the men were saying to her parents in the basement. She clearly heard the third attacker say, he just had to do what we said, he just had to cooperate. Do you know which way they go out? You can't hear that? I'm pretty sure it was the front door but I'm not a hundred percent. I didn't get to see anything. My arms were behind my back and I was against the bannister
Starting point is 00:31:00 and the bannister is twisted so I can't see the front door. Now you hear your dad, right? And what's going on? So what do you hear next after you hear the scrambling? They're gone because you're hearing no more. I gather that's how you assume they're gone is because you don't hear and then you hear your dad. I reach for my phone. And you call 911?
Starting point is 00:31:24 And then what happens after you're on? I heard my dad go out and I don't know if they damaged his throat. How did you hear your dad? So this is the kind of importance because did he go out the front door? How did you know he went out the front door? Because I heard him open the door. Did you hear that door open when these guys were scrambling to leave? There was just so much thudding.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Is your house got an alarm system? Yes. Do you know the alarm system when the front door goes off and there's that chirping? We don't have that chirping. No. Is your house alarmed at night when you guys go to bed? Before the last person goes up to bed they will alarm it. But prior to that it doesn't get alarmed.
Starting point is 00:32:10 Okay. When your father exits you hear the door open because you hear your dad. And then I can hear the outside noises. It's like the wind coming in and I just hear my dad. You think that he's sustained some kind of injury because you can't understand what he's saying? Okay. What about... Can you hear your mom?
Starting point is 00:32:40 Okay. Where does your dad go? Do you know where... You never see your dad again until we're at the hospital. I think that's what you said, right? I saw him when he was on the granny but the officers walked him around. Oh, he really didn't. Okay, so now you're upstairs and you're on the phone with the 911 operator.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Okay. Do you remain on the phone until the police arrived? And the officer is the one who cuts, gets you free? He first had to secure the place. Yes. But it took me a while to get somebody upstairs. Okay. And...
Starting point is 00:33:20 Kept screaming. Okay. And I guess they went into my bedroom and I have a pair of scissors that I cut my hair with. Yes. And they said that they cut it for me but it was still a while longer until after the string so I could be free. Do you understand that they, of the importance to clear what they were doing? It wasn't to leave you in any kind of trauma or anything like that?
Starting point is 00:33:43 I understand the issue. Did... From... It's a very tough question considering all the things that you've gone through tonight, Jennifer, is any of the tying up, any of the binding, any of the things, were you sexually assaulted in any way? It wasn't that. This was strictly they were after money. It, from what I saw, they were after money.
Starting point is 00:34:05 They wanted it now. How much money did you turn over to? From my personal, I had... 2,500. 2,500. And where was that? And where was that? In my nightstand underneath the TV.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Okay. And that was from work that you had done? Yeah. What do you do for a living now? What are you doing right now? I heard you were saying about piano. Are you in school? I recently lost all my students in piano.
Starting point is 00:34:35 I had a few for a while. But they've gone to university. That's why, as of September, I didn't have any more students. So you were a piano instructor? Yes, out of my home. Okay. Just for family friends here and there. Also, my family needed me home for a while.
Starting point is 00:34:53 And I was doing some piano classes with a very good teacher of mine. Okay. And I'm going back to school in January. To? To study biotechnology engineering. Okay. Detective Slade was able to ascertain a lot about the evening from Jennifer and said he was happy with the information he had.
Starting point is 00:35:14 But he thought he needed to find out a little more about where her mother was that evening, the exact location of the line dancing class, and if she went elsewhere after line dancing. Before Slade left the interview room, he asked Jennifer if she consented to her phone records being examined so they could check timestamps for when she was speaking to Edward on the phone to match the exact time of the home invasion.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Jennifer agreed. Slade then advised Jennifer not to read the papers or watch TV. He didn't want her seeing or reading things that would cause her distress. It was about one and a half hours into the interview when Detective Slade left the room to get the phone record consent forms. Jennifer sat with her face in her hands. She remained still, not crying. She sat like that for over 10 minutes before she reached for a tissue.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Jennifer then stood up, stretched her legs, and paced a little while holding the chair and the wall. She was agitated, a noise outside made her jump. Then she started to motion with her hands as if she was conducting music. She sat back down and again covered her face with her hands. She wiped her eyes. She got back up and rocked back and forth on her feet, rubbing her stomach. Slade startled her when he opened the door and told her to have a seat.
Starting point is 00:36:29 Slade mentioned that her brother Felix was being interviewed next door. Jennifer seemed surprised. Slade made it clear that he felt big car may have been followed home after line dancing, spotted by her attackers driving an expensive car. When Detective Slade was filling out the phone record consent form, he told Jennifer he was going to go back and check a nine day period. My question is how far deep into this will I look from my phone, just like comment, like regular phone calls to people just like this?
Starting point is 00:37:03 Really, it's just the time stamping of the, you know, we're putting nine days down because it may come back to you that, oh, I spoke to him and it may be able for us to be able to identify people that we may need to go back and interview. The interest of us is obviously tonight between nine and 10, right? But we're just asking for this, we're not asking for months and months and months, it's nine days that we're asking for. And generally it's because we may come back to you and say, okay, we want to interview this person and you go, oh, I don't know where they live.
Starting point is 00:37:42 But I spoke to them or we got the phone records, is this the same person? And we'll have their address, at least what is registered to their phone. So it's the only reason we're asking for a nine day period. Investigatively, it's not of no real significant value other than today, right? It's only because sometimes I phone teachers and stuff like that. No, we're not going to go back and interview all those people. That's not our intention, right? So I need you to fill out this portion for me.
Starting point is 00:38:15 So owner, subscriber, it's the same person as this. So it's you and you, your address, the telephone number, and today's date, and then your signature. And what it is is before we go into it, this is all being recorded again. So it's just that you can send to giving us the records for a cell phone number, 647-965-2118. And you can send to allow the York Regional Police to access the phone records. The said cellular phone company, odds rise, Rogers.
Starting point is 00:38:57 For the following, billing records, incoming and upcoming numbers dialed, registered owner information, including credit and payment history. This is really how we link phones to people, how we confirm that's your phone. And the tower site location, if requested, for the above mentioned times and dates. Towers now become relevant in this case because of where you are when the phone call comes in on today's date, right? Is that it firms your story to saying that I was in my room when I made it, when the calls came in. And that will show up on the tower site information.
Starting point is 00:39:33 That's the relevance of the tower site information. It also may turn out that maybe during this time period, you were targeted and you were in an area. And this enables us to go back and try and look for cameras and other things through the towers. Not saying it's going to happen in your case, but it's why we ask for tower sites, right? Tower sites always show, when you're on the phone, they show you where you are, when you're on the phone making calls. And that the above mentioned records are to be released to the York Regional Police for the purposes of an investigation of murder of your mom.
Starting point is 00:40:08 And for the time period, as stated, November 1st to November 9th. This is the part of the consent. I am volunteering to giving consent. And I know that you don't have to. You don't have to do this. This is your, this is you volunteering to do this. You may withdraw your consent at any time. I understand that these records may be used as evidence against me
Starting point is 00:40:28 and may become any part of the criminal proceeding. Now, if you were lying on this, you know, as a part of this whole process that I explained, telling us fictitious information, it comes back. Now the records can also be used against you. If you're telling the truth, really 0.3, it means nothing. Okay. But we have to let you know by law that we could use these against you if you're lying to us. So will you, will we be in, will I be informed of who of my,
Starting point is 00:40:55 if anybody, if they contacted on that? Chances are if you're going to be. So you can almost guarantee that Adrian and Edward are going to be, we're going to need to speak to them, right? Because Adrian was in your house. Remember, if they're doing forensic testing in your house to try and get DNA and anything else in there, they're also going to need stuff to eliminate people, right? So Adrian was in your house.
Starting point is 00:41:21 So we need to try and, if you, when we shut this down, I'm going to, because it doesn't need to be disclosed on video about their personal information. I need to get Adrian's contact information. I need to get Edward's contact information. I don't know if we're going to contact them tonight or this morning, but sometime today they're going to be spoken to. Okay. Our priority is who is with your mom.
Starting point is 00:41:46 That's our priority right now. Okay. But I just tweaked me back. How many cars do you, do you finish your family? The Mercedes and the Lexus. And where do your parents park these cars? My dad always parks it on the right and my mom always parks on the left. Inside the garage?
Starting point is 00:42:05 And when they, where do they enter the house when they're, when they park on the garage? Is there an entrance through the garage? Okay. So that's the normal course as they park. Unless we, we plan on going out somewhere. We leave the car on the driveway instead of having to go to the garage. When you left today, left tonight after this incident had happened, did you see the cars in the garage? I did not, but I believe that one of the officers went
Starting point is 00:42:31 and checked and said that the cars were still in the garage. The garage doors were closed? Yes. Okay. Is there any video equipment, video cameras, or any video system on you in your house? To record. No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Is there anything else that you can think of that might help us right now in this investigation? No, I've got my head. The interview finished at 4 30 a.m. The day following the home invasion, Tuesday, November 9th, Jennifer had to stay with her cousin, Michelle Luong, and her aunt and uncle, whose home was less than a mile away from her own. Her house was a crime scene and there was no way she could go in and get any of her belongings. She was forced to borrow clothes from her cousin. Her phone received text after text from friends asking if she was okay.
Starting point is 00:43:30 Her ex-boyfriend, Daniel Wong, heard the news. He sent a text at 9 a.m. If you need, I'm here for you. Just hang in there and try to eat. Although told by Detective Slade not to look at any media reports, it was hard not to hear about the reports and subsequent rumors starting to unfold. Where the Pan family caught up in illegal gambling. Where they links to gangs or drug crime.
Starting point is 00:43:54 The waiting media were camped outside the relatives' homes as well as the hospital, waiting for a glimpse or possible statement from the only survivor able to speak. Jennifer faced lots of questions from both friends and family. The family held a vigil at Han's bedside as he laid in an induced coma in the intensive care unit. They listened as the doctor explained how miraculous it was that Han was able to survive the shooting. He still had bullet fragments in his face, but the fact that the bullet missed the main artery was what ultimately saved him, but he wasn't out of the woods. They were still unsure if or when Han would come out of the coma,
Starting point is 00:44:30 but there was hope he would pull through. Amidst the horror they were confronted with, the family were very hopeful. Han may have the clue to solve this horrific crime. Jennifer asked the doctor if the bullet fragments still in her father's neck could cause an infection. The doctor said no. At this point, Jennifer borrowed some change from her uncle, explaining that her cell phone had died and she needed to use the pay phone. He offered for her to use his cell phone, but she refused and again asked for two quarters.
Starting point is 00:45:00 He handed them to her and she walked out and headed for the pay phones located just up the hall. Jennifer called her ex-boyfriend, Daniel Wong. The day after the invasion, police held a press conference. The media scrambled to the new market police headquarters to obtain a glimpse into what the police were thinking. A makeshift stage was erected and York Regional Police Chief Armand Labarge, who was less than a month away from retirement, addressed the waiting press. He said, quote, Given the very brutal nature of this crime, it goes without saying that the individuals that
Starting point is 00:45:33 are responsible for the home invasion and the murder last night pose a very real danger to our community. These are, for all intents and purposes, residents that were just enjoying a nice night when suddenly three individuals burst into their home and terrorized them. In other home invasions, there's some criminal activity involved, but in this particular situation, there is absolutely no evidence of criminal activity. This is a very lucky man, and if not for the grace of God, we could have been dealing with two homicides here. To shoot an innocent woman and to shoot an innocent man. I mean, that's troubling. Police stated that they believed the murderers may have been attracted to the
Starting point is 00:46:13 home because of the family's high-end vehicles. However, they also noted that neither vehicle was taken as part of the robbery. They released descriptions of the attack as provided by Jennifer, with her father still in a coma. That's all the information they had to go on. Police had already made some progress, seeing as a neighbour had a security camera installed at the front of his house. The footage captured a car driving away from the parents' house. Behind the scenes, police and forensic teams were combing the house, retracing steps and attempting to get into the heads of the three attackers. They couldn't find a clear reason why a hard-working family was targeted in what they
Starting point is 00:46:50 could only describe as a random, brutal attack. Two detectives canvassed almost 400 homes in the neighbourhood. Their job was to establish anything seen or heard, but also to find out information about the pans that may help them solve the crime. While sitting in their vehicle during the canvas, someone quietly approached them and told them that Daniel Wong, Jennifer's ex boyfriend, was a drug dealer. Considering there was a chance that the invasion was a targeted attack and many home invasions have a drug connection, this was an important tip. After a quick system check confirmed that Daniel had prior drug convictions, they got to work looking into him. It was no secret amongst officers that the case had divided them.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Half of them felt something just didn't sit right about the home invasion. The other half saw it as a random, brutal attack for money on a very unlucky family. Information that police were privy to, but had not been released to the media, was the fact that in the house they had found $240 in big cars purse, $60 in hands wallet, and $20 in Jennifer's wallet. For intruders held bent on finding wallets and money, they had left some behind. On Thursday, November 11th, at 9.30 am, Jennifer went back to the police station for another statement. The investigators hoped she may remember more about the home invasion. Her father's hand was still in a coma. In the interview room, she told Detective Slade
Starting point is 00:48:19 she was a little nervous. She was ringing her hands constantly. He replied, don't worry, the truth is always the best way to relieve anxiety. He told her she might need to bear witness in court, and Jennifer got visibly upset. I want you to forget or put aside the first statement that we had talked about. This is going to be where I'm going to ask you to start from the day on the eighth, leading up until when the police become involved in an incident that takes place in your house. I want you to tell me about your day, what you do, your interaction with your parents. So what we are is we're dealing with the incident.
Starting point is 00:49:39 We're not dealing with your history right now, we're dealing with the incident again. See if anything else comes. Forgetting what you've already told me, and bring yourself through that day and through the event. We're going to see if we've learned or if you've remembered anything else, and there's some questions with respect to that statement that I'm going to ask you about. I'm going to let you start again and let's move forward from any time in that day where you want to start. If it's a time you woke up or if it's a time that your first interaction, it's your choice. I'm very nervous and I don't know. Why are you nervous? Tell me about why you're nervous.
Starting point is 00:50:20 Because I don't want to say the wrong thing. That day was a lot. You're right. And I've been scattered and so bits and pieces are here and some pieces aren't here and I'm just... So I want you to sit back in your chair. Just sit back in your chair. Take a deep breath. Close your eyes. Just follow my line. Just sit back in the chair for a second. Sit back. Relax. The best you can. Close your eyes. And just breathe for a minute. Okay? We're not in any type of danger. We're nowhere. We're in a very safe place. Okay? And we're going to work through this. And don't worry about what you forget or what you mix up or
Starting point is 00:51:22 whatever you're doing is you start and push the play button for that day. And if you stick to everything that you remember happening that day, it will come out in sequence. Okay? And I'm going to show you a technique after we go through this that will show it to you. Okay? So let's so let's just start. You've taken a deep breath. You've relaxed. You're in a good position right there. Let's start from the beginning of the day when you wake up and let's start moving forward from there. Jennifer described the day again. She was wringing her hands constantly. Her face was completely void of emotion. She again described her mom going to visit her grandfather. So she left to go pick up my aunt and go in to my grandfather's and I went back up to
Starting point is 00:52:15 on the computer to do a little studying, taking a break and playing some games. Do you remember speaking to anyone during the day on your phone or on Facebook? Um, later on in the day, yes, I spoke to a longtime friend, Andrew, who I went to elementary school with. But just the usual, he just asked if we could hang out anytime soon. But I explained to him that I wasn't able to leave the house and I couldn't meet up with him. So I asked him how his life was, his girlfriend, how his job was going. I believe that was later on in the day though, that wasn't in the afternoon. We'll go in later and when we talk about your past about why you couldn't leave the house, okay? So that hasn't gone unnoticed, but we're not going to talk about
Starting point is 00:53:11 that right now. We're talking about that day. So continue on. Detectives already knew what Jennifer was referring to. They already knew Jennifer's parents had ordered her not to leave the house because she had lied to them about what she had been doing, what she had been doing for the past decade. The interview continued. Jennifer talked through the evening again, dinner with her mom, her friend Adrian coming over to watch TV. This time Jennifer mentioned that when she went upstairs to her bedroom to watch TV, she talked to her friend Andrew again. The old school friend she had talked to earlier in the day. This is the third time she had recounted the story of the evening, but the first time she mentioned this call to Andrew. She then described the call to Edward.
Starting point is 00:53:58 Edward was the friend she hung up on when the home invasion started. I go back up my stairs and I call Ed again. Okay. And I had to use the washroom so I did put him on mute for a quick second. And then I came back and I was just watching TV and talking with Ed. Okay. How long are you now upstairs on the phone with Edward? I'm sorry about that time frame. I'm not sure. Okay. Your cell phone records are going to give us the exact times. Okay. So have you talked to anyone else? Is it you hang up with Edward, go down and see your mom, come back upstairs, call Edward, use the washroom on the phone with Edward still? Yeah. Have you talked to anyone else? No. Okay. Have you text message anyone else?
Starting point is 00:54:53 No. I don't believe I did. Do you have more than one phone? I had one, but I keep that, I just keep the SIM card. Yes. Again, we will go into the history. Sure. But my cell phone gets taken away from me sometimes. Okay. And so I had a friend of mine, Daniel, he bought, he got a SIM card for me to use sometimes. But I take the SIM card out when I finish it. And I normally keep it in my pocket so my parents wouldn't find it. Yes. But I don't remember the last time I used it. Okay. But you didn't use that SIM card that day? No. I did not know. You did not? I don't remember the last time. Maybe it was a few days before that. It was the last time I remember using it was when my grandfather was in the hospital. And I had messaged him and he asked me how my grandfather
Starting point is 00:55:47 was. And when is that time for him that your grandfather went into the hospital? He was in the hospital for about 10 days. 10 days. Okay. So that's the last time you remember using that SIM card associated from what your friend had given you was about 10 days earlier or even 12 days earlier because I believe you said your grandfather had come out of the hospital or was he still in the hospital? No. He was in the hospital for 10 days. Yes. On Saturday, he had gone back to his nursing home. And this is Monday we're talking. So it's about 12 to 14 days earlier that this happened. You use the SIM card. You're guessing? With the probably within a week. Yeah. Within a week? Yeah. Because I've met him. You've been taking seven days? Is that what we were
Starting point is 00:56:31 seeing? Yeah. Because I messaged him when my grandfather was in the hospital. Okay. Yeah. And where is that SIM card now? I'm not sure. I don't remember. I had it in my jacket pocket, but I don't remember where it is now. Okay. Jennifer's story of the home invasion changed from her first interview. Detective Slade was aware of the change in her story and continued to ask for clarity as Jennifer recalled different places the three men were and the different things they said. Jennifer started to sob. Slade handed her a tissue. He pushed her to keep going with her memories. He wanted her to feel at ease. He was on her side. He was listening. It's not uncommon for witnesses to remember more details or have changes in their story, especially in highly stressful
Starting point is 00:57:20 and traumatic situations such as Jennifer faced. In an adjacent room, other detectives were watching the interview as it happened via video link. Detective Al Cook watched carefully as Jennifer sobbed and wiped her face. He couldn't see any tears. Jennifer sobbed as she recounted hearing the pops of the gun down in the basement. Pop. Pop. Pop. She said she thought the men went out the front door. Her father then came up the basement steps moaning as she called 911. She called out to her dad, but he didn't go to her. He ran out the front door out into the street where he collapsed on the ground and was seen by the neighbor going to work. Detective Al Cook was still watching in an adjoining room. He noticed how Jennifer was describing the way her father ran from the house
Starting point is 00:58:10 screaming. Cook found it interesting that Hans' daughter was yelling for him. He knew she was upstairs, but instead of running upstairs to see if she was okay, he ran straight out the front door. Detective Slade listened as Jennifer struggled to retell the story. When she was done, he made her tell it backwards. He continued to tell her what a great job she was doing and not to worry when she thought she said something wrong. Jennifer was then asked to recount exactly how she made the 911 call. Slade got her to stand up and acted out. Slade. It's obviously very relevant. We know you made the phone call, but questions are obviously going to be raised that if my hands are bound and I'm against the railing, how do I talk to a 911 operator?
Starting point is 00:58:57 Jennifer screwed her eyes up as she looked at Detective Slade. Slade, and how did you manage to tuck your phone into the waistband without it slipping down or without the intruders noticing it? Jennifer took a large sip of water, a deep breath, and removed her sweater. She slipped the fake phone given to her by Slade into her waistband. While keeping her wrist together in a display of being bound, Jennifer twisted herself trying to reenact the call. She pressed the buttons and then attempted to lift the phone up towards her ear while still keeping her wrist together. The phone didn't reach. She said to Slade, I'm yelling at the phone, like this. The phone was about a foot and a half from her ear.
Starting point is 00:59:40 The detectives had heard bits and pieces about Jennifer's past. They had spoken to family members and friends and knew some of the answers to questions Slade was asking, but they needed to hear it from Jennifer. What I want to do now is I want to go into your past, okay, and start talking about things that have been going on with you in relation to your life, okay. You know, I'm not going back to childhood. That's not my interest is obviously in the last few years is what's going on. Do you have a boyfriend? I had a boyfriend, but no, I don't have a boyfriend. What was your boyfriend's name?
Starting point is 01:00:25 Daniel. Daniel what? Long. Tell me about your relationship with you and Daniel. It was a really tough one. We went to high school together. He helped me through a really difficult time in high school when I have asthma, but it wasn't a concern. It was only a concern. I was younger, but when I went over to Europe, a lot of people were smoking cigarettes and it acted up over there and he took care of me over there.
Starting point is 01:01:04 When did you go to Europe? 2003. Okay, and how long were you there? Under two weeks, I think. Okay, so this is 2003 when you and Danny were started dating? Later on in 2003, we were just friends at that time. Okay, what grade were you in at that point? Eleven.
Starting point is 01:01:29 So how does your relationship with Danny develop? Where does it go and how long does it last? It lasted about six years. It began in the summer of 2003 before my grade 12 year. We were just really good friends and I guess it just happened. We just started going out. Well, saying that we were going out, but I didn't really get to see him much. Let's talk about that. Why did you get the chance to see him much? I wasn't allowed to have a boyfriend. And that was when you were 18?
Starting point is 01:02:08 I was 17. 17 turning in your 18th year? I guess I'm not going into grade 12. Okay. So who was against you having a boyfriend? My father. Your father? How was your mother in this? She took a back seat to his opinion. She would tell me that I'm going to find someone who was devoted to me,
Starting point is 01:02:33 but at that time she just, my father was the one that enforced the rules. What were the issues your father had with a boyfriend? Was it Danny in particular or was it just a boy? Just any boy at that point. So what happens? How are you saying that you're not allowed to see this? What does that mean? So what happens? How are you saying that you're not allowed to see this? What, what, I know, I know that there's certain ways that you can still get around your father,
Starting point is 01:03:04 not allowing you to see it. When in grade 12, we went to school together. He transferred out, but he'd come over to our original high school and he'd come see me. Okay. And once in a while I'd go and skip class and go see him. So you were seeing, you were dating him essentially without your parents' knowledge and consent? Yes. What would they have done to you if they found out and did they find out?
Starting point is 01:03:32 Not in high school. Okay. So you finish high school and then what do you do when you finish high school? I was, I wanted to do kinesiology, but my, my father was very adamant on doing something in the medical field that was a little bit more, in his opinion, more like a more successful, I guess you can say. He knew I didn't have the stomach for being a doctor. So he wanted me to become a pharmacist. Okay. Did you go to school for pharmacy to get any university for pharmacy?
Starting point is 01:04:17 So if you're, you finish your grade 12, you go to your OIC year, like grade 12, is your finish your OIC year? I don't have always, I didn't have OIC. I finished my grade 12. And then where, where do you, what do you do for the next few years? While your dads want you to get into the medical field, what do you do? I was trying to get into piano. What school?
Starting point is 01:04:40 I was still taking classes at a conservate, like a school, but I still recognize in the community as a teacher's license. Through the Royal Conservatory? Yes. Okay. So how is this interaction? How is this going with your dad? How is the, how is your home life with the, you're not now not living up to his expectations? He didn't know I lied to him.
Starting point is 01:05:04 What did you lie to him? What did you tell him? That I was going to school. For? For just pre met, not pre met, sorry, science. For science. Bachelor of science. You would have had bills for school.
Starting point is 01:05:18 How was, how was that coming up? How are these bills being paid for for university that you weren't going to? I was working at Eastside Marios and I took care of myself financially. My father was never, he never took hand in bills. So he didn't know anything about bills. Did your mom know that you weren't going to university? No. So both your parents thought you had gone to university?
Starting point is 01:05:45 Yes. Okay. And how long did that, how long, did they still to this point in time think that you had gone to university for, for pharmacists or for sciences? Yes. And how did you feel about that? How did you feel about having to lie to your parents? I felt guilty, but every time I tried to bring it up,
Starting point is 01:06:08 there was just so much, so much expectation. Do you have any resentment towards them for this? I chose what I chose, but in the end I chose my family. Okay. So now you're not allowed to see boys. How do you continue your relationship while you're supposed to be at university working at Eastside Marials? Are you working during the day at Eastside Marials?
Starting point is 01:06:40 Sometimes, but not all the time. So how do, how do you maintain this relationship with, with Daniel? I bust down to see him or my parents who drive me down to Toronto. And they thought I was getting going to school, but I'd go see him and I'd come back. What school did they think you're going to? Ryerson. Okay. Um, was Daniel aware of what was going on in your, with the issues in your life with your parents?
Starting point is 01:07:10 Not at first, but eventually he found out. Okay. And, um, what would your parents do find out? Did they ever find out that you were dating Daniel? Eventually. Well, how long into their relationship was that? Say five years. Five years.
Starting point is 01:07:28 So that brings you up to 2008 or 2009? 2008, 2007, 2007. And how do they find out? My mother saw him dropping me off at the location at Pacific Mall where they come to pick me up. And how did that go over? Not well. Explain to me what not well means. My mother, she said, at first she was like, not supportive, but she said, you need to tell me.
Starting point is 01:08:10 And she basically gave me the, um, the sex talk, which basically was one moment could ruin your entire life. Um, but once my father found out, without even knowing him, he automatically put judgment. What kind of judgment did your father pass on him? He blamed my lying and even racial, um, profiling on him. And what does that mean? I don't know about the racial profile. Um, he is half Filipino, half Chinese. And my father associated him with Filipino and said that, you know, he wasn't a good match for me.
Starting point is 01:09:00 He wasn't going anywhere in life and, um, that he wouldn't be able to support a family. So tell me about, about Daniel. We've interviewed Daniel. Okay. Daniel Wong had been called in the day before and interviewed. He was already on the list to be interviewed, but after the tip about his drug convictions, he moved further up that list. Dressed in a black sweater and glasses, he looked tired and a little unkempt.
Starting point is 01:09:34 He said he had a cold. He had a good rapport with Detective Robert Milligan, who was interviewing him. Milligan started the interview by saying, just so you know, we interview everybody. Everybody who has known the family at some point in the last 10, 15 years. So we can say we interviewed everybody so you're not anything special compared to everybody else. Daniel, who was 25 years old, was calm and relaxed throughout his entire interview. Even when asked pointed questions about his drug dealing history, he answered calmly and confidently.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Daniel relayed his past with Jennifer. He told Milligan about their on and off relationship, which ended about two years prior when her parents found out and delivered an ultimatum. They were forced apart by Jennifer's parents, and he said he respected that. Like again, like, I don't know whether who was who is behind it, right? I just know that her parents didn't want us to be, her family didn't want us to be together. And her respected that decision and I moved on. Now, why didn't her family?
Starting point is 01:10:40 I don't know. There's so many different, like I asked her the first time and she said it was, because I didn't make enough money. Like I was working at Boston Pizza and she told him that I finished engineering. And they're like, oh, well, why do you finish engineering and just work at Boston Pizza? Why doesn't he go and make 60, 70,000 being an engineer? And then, and then after that, the next time I asked her, she's like, it's not even about how much money you make, it's the fact that you're Filipino.
Starting point is 01:11:06 And I'm like, how is that possible when your cousin just married a Filipino guy? She's like, well, nobody in the family likes him, blah, blah, blah, blah. So there's always a reason why we couldn't be together, like that her parents. I don't know. Other reasons? Sorry? Is there other reasons? No, those were the reasons.
Starting point is 01:11:25 But what do you think? Because you've been in the industry, you've dealt with pound, a pound, and you won't say you've dealt with over and I won't have to go there. But in the industry, what do you think people would kill somebody over? Give me a number. If someone were to, it'd have to be around $10,000. Someone would, like I'd pretty much be sure for about $10,000, someone would do something like that. Daniel described the seven years of his and Jennifer's relationship behind her parents' backs
Starting point is 01:12:04 and started to unravel the twisted ball of bizarre behaviors and lies that Jennifer used to keep up the charade to her family. Daniel said to Detective Milligan that when the final ultimatum came from Jennifer's parents to end their relationship, he knew it was for the best. He knew they had no long-term life together. He had never spent more than a few minutes with Han and Bikar in all that time, never shared a meal, or even had a conversation with them. He accepted it and moved on.
Starting point is 01:12:33 He said, she was a prisoner. It was hard. Daniel said since their breakup in 2009, they had more or less been estranged. Describing their infrequent conversations, he said, she tries to call me, if I answer, I answer, or I'll call her, sort of thing, just to see how she's doing. He said Jennifer never had any involvement with his drug dealing. He told her never to touch it. Detective Milligan was interested in the reason why an estranged ex-couple had been in quite a lot of
Starting point is 01:13:01 contact in the previous few months. Daniel said, lately it's just been happening more and more, an unknown person would call and I'd answer and it would just go quiet for 10 seconds and then they'd hang up. It would happen over and over, and when I would not answer, it would get worse and worse. It got ridiculous, it was up to 100 times a night. Over time, Daniel says he began receiving text messages of a more threatening nature, texts like, ha ha ha, bang bang bang. He said Jennifer had contacted him complaining that she too was receiving similar messages,
Starting point is 01:13:36 so that's why they had been in frequent contact in recent times. Daniel admitted he was worried that he would be targeted next. He said, yeah, I am worried for my safety. I haven't slept, because I don't know who it is. If it's the crank callers, they call my house, they call my cell phone, so they have my address. It's pretty obvious. If they got access to finding her address through her phone number,
Starting point is 01:13:59 they can find my address through my phone number. My mum couldn't sleep either. It kept going through my head. Who could it be? Who is it? Is it really just a random break and enter? It's actually the phone calls and the other stuff that I think it's related to. The following day in Jennifer's interview, she told Detective Slade she was given the
Starting point is 01:14:18 ultimatum by her parents a year and a half earlier, when she was about 23. When they caught her the last time seeing Daniel, she says her father told her she must either choose Daniel or choose them. She said she chose to stay home with her family. Hands words to Jennifer were, cease your relationship with Daniel Wong. If not, you have to wait till I'm dead. Even as an adult in her 20s, her parents were still controlling every aspect of her life. The reasons why were starting to become clear.
Starting point is 01:14:50 After being snubbed by valedictorian in grade 8 and not doing as well academically as she had hoped, things started to spiral for Jennifer. Karen Ho, a journalist who went to school with Jennifer, wrote an article for Toronto Life. The following is taken from that article. Quote, A close observer might have noticed that Jennifer seemed off, but I never did. I was a year behind her at Mary Ward Catholic Secondary in North Scarborough. As far as Catholic schools go, it was something of an anomaly. It had the usual high academic standards and strict dress code,
Starting point is 01:15:25 mixed with a decidedly bohemian vibe. It was easy to find your tribe. Bright kids and arty misfits hung out together across subjects, grades and social groups. If you played three instruments, took advanced classes, competed on the ski team and starred in the school's annual International Night, a showcase of various cultures around the world. You were cool. It was the perfect community for a student like Jennifer,
Starting point is 01:15:49 a social butterfly with an easy high-pitched laugh she mixed with guys, girls, Asians, Caucasians, jocks, nerds, people deep into the arts. At five foot seven, she was taller than most of the other Asian girls at the school, and pretty, but plain. She rarely wore makeup. She had small, round wire-framed glasses that were neither stylish nor expensive, and she kept her hair straight and unstyled. Jennifer and I both played the flute, though she was in the senior stage band,
Starting point is 01:16:19 and I was in junior. We would interact in the band room, had dozens of mutual acquaintances, and were friends on Facebook. In conversation, she always seemed focused on the moment. If you had her attention, you had it completely. End quote from the article. It was at this time in Jennifer's life that she started to turn away from studying hard, and stopped dedicating herself to school.
Starting point is 01:16:42 Instead of getting straight A's, she was averaging 70% in all her classes, and barely achieving B's. Not quite the high mark she needed to get into the pharmacology program at the University of Toronto. Her father expected his children would be the top of their classes, to get into the best college, which would lead them to high-paying careers. So B's weren't going to cut it. And so started a decade of lies that would spin so deep, even Jennifer got confused between what was a lie and what was the truth.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Instead of telling her parents about her high school grades, she decided to forge her report card. She used templates from old reports, used scissors, glue, and photocopied them to create new ones. Jennifer also started cutting herself, small cuts on her forearms. It was a hint of her hidden torment behind the happy mask she was wearing at the time. Her parents were proud when she brought home A's. They were thrilled when she graduated high school,
Starting point is 01:17:39 and they were so proud when she received scholarship letters and an early admission offer into Ryuson University. It wasn't Toronto University, but she planned to start a science degree, and move over to Toronto after a couple of years. She had worked hard in her parents' eyes, and was achieving what they had only imagined possible for her. Han was so pleased that he bought her a laptop. But there was one problem.
Starting point is 01:18:04 Jennifer didn't graduate high school. She failed her last semester of calculus, a high school subject she would have to repeat in order to graduate. She failed high school, and Ryuson withdrew their offer. Instead of coming clean, Jennifer's spiral of lies grew deeper. She spent the summer preparing for university. She bought secondhand biology and physics books, and set the wheels in motion for beginning the academic year.
Starting point is 01:18:28 In September, she pretended to attend her orientation week. She forged papers stating she was receiving a loan that she would pay off, and convinced her dad she'd won a $3,000 scholarship. She pretended to make her way to the university campus, half an hour away, and even accepted lifts from her parents. Day after day, she was keeping up the charade. She would pack her book bag and go to the library, filling notebooks full of pretend class notes,
Starting point is 01:18:53 and she searched the web for course-related topics. By this time, Daniel Wong was at York University taking classes, and they were seeing each other in secret. Their parents had found out about their relationship, and put a stop to it immediately. Jennifer just told them what they wanted to hear, that her and Daniel had broken up. But then she went behind their backs.
Starting point is 01:19:13 She spent a lot of her spare time visiting Daniel at York. She took on a part-time job, taught piano lessons, and later on worked at Boston Pizza, where Daniel worked as a kitchen manager. He knew she was faking her studies, and he helped her hide the secret. Jennifer came up with a false acceptance letter into the Pharmacology program at the University of Toronto,
Starting point is 01:19:34 complete with a made-up scholarship for tuition. She continued to tell her parents she was staying with her friend a couple of nights a week. As her parents saw it, she was working hard towards her goals, and they supported her. It wasn't just her family she was lying to, friends too. She over-exaggerated her father's control,
Starting point is 01:19:53 telling friends he had hired a private investigator to follow her. So her friends thought Jennifer had no other choice but to live a lie. In February 2009, Jennifer wrote two separate Facebook posts. The first, Living in my house is like living under house arrest. And the second, No one person knows everything about me, and no two people put together know everything about me.
Starting point is 01:20:18 I like being a mystery. She wasn't afraid of letting people know about her parents controlling ways. Han and Bicar could not have been more proud than they were when Jennifer came home and told them she had been given a volunteer position at the Toronto Hospital for Sick Children in a blood testing lab. They understood when the position started, Jennifer would be required for late night shifts and weekends.
Starting point is 01:20:42 Jennifer suggested it might be better if she spent more nights at her friend's place. Bicar convinced Han to let her stay away. When it came time to graduate from the University of Toronto, Daniel helped Jennifer hire someone online to fake a full college graduation transcript, complete with straight A's. She told her parents that the graduating class was so large that there weren't enough seats for two guests each,
Starting point is 01:21:05 and so she was only allowed to invite one person. She said she couldn't possibly choose between her two parents, so she would take a friend instead. When her dad asked her where the pictures were, she made up an excuse. In September 2009, just over a year before the home invasion, Han noticed that Jennifer didn't have any uniform for her hospital job, nor did she have any form of ID which she knew hospitals required.
Starting point is 01:21:31 The following day, without saying anything to Jennifer, Han insisted that he and her mother drive her to the hospital. They dropped her off and Han parked the car. He asked Bicar to follow their daughter in to see where she went. Jennifer knew her mother was following her, so she went to the waiting room of the ER and hid for three hours until she was sure they were gone. The next morning, Han called Topaz,
Starting point is 01:21:54 Jennifer's friend she had been staying with. Except Topaz told Han Jennifer hadn't been staying with her at all. When Jennifer arrived home that day, her father and mother were waiting for her. They wanted to know what the hell was going on. Jennifer confessed she wasn't volunteering at the hospital. She had never been enrolled at the University of Toronto, and she had not studied pharmacology for the four years prior.
Starting point is 01:22:18 It had all been a lie. She also confessed that she had been living three days a week with Daniel and his family. Jennifer never lived with Topaz, she had never stayed there. Monday through Wednesday she stayed with Daniel and his family. She was a part of Daniel's family, and meanwhile her parents didn't even know they were still in contact. Jennifer had told Daniel's parents that Han and Bicar were okay with her living with them half the week.
Starting point is 01:22:42 They repeatedly asked to meet her parents, but she always had an excuse. Han and Bicar ordered her to reapply for the University of Toronto to gain her degree. She had her credits from Ryerson behind her. She would have no problem. But she did have a problem. She never went to Ryerson. But she didn't confess that to them. She kept the charade going that she had partially studied at Ryerson University.
Starting point is 01:23:08 She didn't want to come clean about everything, and if they were this mad about her lying about Toronto University, how would they react if they found out she never finished high school and never went to Ryerson? Han and Bicar felt like they didn't know their own daughter. She was a stranger in her own family. Han tried to kick Jennifer out of the house. She was a disgrace to the family. What she had done was unforgivable.
Starting point is 01:23:30 He never wanted to see her again. Bicar was devastated, but she was also devastated to think what might happen to her daughter if they kicked her out. She convinced Han to let her stay. For two weeks, Jennifer was housebound, her mother by her side nearly constantly. She wasn't allowed to go anywhere on her own. She had her cell phone and laptop taken away, and she was forced to quit all her jobs except piano tutoring,
Starting point is 01:23:54 where they could keep an eye on her. She was forced to repay her parents for all the money they had given her for her studies. They eventually found out about high school too, and Jennifer was forced to go back to complete the high school calculus course and start the process again for her future. She was given a strict curfew of 9pm, and every aspect of her life was monitored. Over the months that followed, her mother occasionally weakened enough to allow Jennifer to know where her dad had hidden her
Starting point is 01:24:21 phone, allowing her to check her messages. Bicar sometimes stood up for Jennifer during arguments she had with her father. Bicar sometimes said that Han had to remember she had already grown up. Let her be herself, too much interference would not be good. So although sticking by her husband and following his wishes, a piece of her understood her daughter's torment. Once Jennifer started to gain back some trust with her parents, they aged up and allowed her to have restricted time with her phone,
Starting point is 01:24:49 and to sometimes go places alone. They still checked her messages and the odometer on the car though. Jennifer and Daniel would sneak phone calls, and she would often ask a mutual friend Gary to drive her to Daniels and pick her up again, still lying to her parents about where she was. She continued to visit Daniel in secret, even sneaking out overnight, arranging her bed covers to look like she was in bed.
Starting point is 01:25:12 But her mum found out, she was grounded completely, and now even her mother wanted her to be completely cut off from Daniel. In 2009, around a year before the home invasion, Daniel had grown sick of their secret relationship. By then Jennifer was 24, and they were still thinking around like teenagers. He was tired of the threats her parents constantly made, and the fact that Jennifer wouldn't stand up to them and move out. He broke it off for good, and by February 2010,
Starting point is 01:25:41 he was seeing a new girlfriend, Christine. Jennifer was desperate to hold on to Daniel. She was adamant that they still needed each other, and she went to extreme lengths to gain his attention. In Jennifer's second interview, she admitted to Detective Slade that over the months that followed their breakup, she lied to Daniel to get his attention. Early in 2010, Jennifer made up a story where she answered the door of her home
Starting point is 01:26:04 to find a man posing as a police officer. She said that he and other men then forced their way in and sexually assaulted her. She told Daniel she knew it was Christine who had arranged the attack, as a warning to stay away from Daniel. She also admitted to lying about a string of text message threats, and to receiving a bullet through the mail as part of a death threat. Jennifer couldn't handle being without Daniel, so she tried to come up with a plan that would keep them together.
Starting point is 01:26:31 By the end of Jennifer's second interview with Slade, he told Jennifer he was grateful she had been honest, to which she replied. There is also one other thing. We were getting private phone calls at my house as well. I never told my brother because he was at school. When we picked up, they would always hang up. Like I said, Monday's my mother would go dancing, and one time while she was gone, the phone rang.
Starting point is 01:26:54 I picked it up. My father was already on the phone. There was a woman on the other line. I don't know who it was, and they were speaking Chinese. My father didn't know I was on the line, but this woman was saying, you have to come over right away, right away, you have to come now. And my father kept saying, I can't come now. The woman said, I don't care, you have to come now.
Starting point is 01:27:18 Jennifer explained to Detective Slade that her father left the house in a hurry, saying he had to go and fix a leaking tap at her aunt's place, but she didn't believe the woman to be her auntie. After hearing this, Slade left the room. Jennifer started to breathe heavily. She got up and started pacing. After 25 minutes, an officer walked in and offered to take Jennifer to the bathroom and offered her candy.
Starting point is 01:27:42 Jennifer accepted. Afterwards, they both returned to the room, and the officer stayed with Jennifer. Barely audible, Jennifer spat out words with no consistency while pacing back and forth. I'm just beating myself up. He's asking me these questions like I should have been more attentive, but it just happened so fast, and it's like, and I can't give him the answers, and I don't know. I wish I was able to answer.
Starting point is 01:28:07 I want to be able to answer it, so it would help. Jennifer turned to the officer and asked, have they been able to find out anything? Did they have any leads or suspects? Does anyone know where the car went after? She didn't get an answer. Jennifer whispered a little to herself and started rocking. After nearly 30 minutes, Detective Slade returned.
Starting point is 01:28:37 Hi Jennifer. Hey. Here, take some Kleenex. Take some Kleenex. Tell me what you're feeling right now. What's going on? You might as well get used to this. You've got to get it out.
Starting point is 01:28:59 So tell me what you're feeling right now. I'm just got to think. It made me feel like I should have. It's a thing called survivor's guilt, okay, that you're going to go through. That you're going to, you're going to, then this is like the stuff about the therapy and getting to speak to someone because there's stages of grieving that you're going to go through. Okay. And this is the only way you're going to go through this is with, properly is with health. I think victim services is engaged, right?
Starting point is 01:29:35 They're, they're trying to help you. So just stick with that. Okay. It's a long road, but it's, it can be a very successful road. Okay. And, and what you're feeling, I hate to say is normal, but it is. It's something that a lot of people who are in the same circumstance will feel. Okay. But I, what I want to do is I want to finish off on this so that we can let you go and get, and get, and get out of the police station. Okay. Because I appreciate your time and I appreciate your help.
Starting point is 01:30:06 So what is in the safe? The last time I opened it, my mom took out our passports and I, I, she's, she has the combination. I don't have the combination. You don't have the combination for the safe? Just your mom? Just my mom. Okay. And so there was passports, no large quantities of cash in there. Not that I, not that I know of because she asked me to help pay for our two trips.
Starting point is 01:30:49 Okay. And what did you get the, what did you have the $2,000 for? What did you, where did you make that money? I had, I was saving up to get a new cell phone. Do you have a blackberry? I gave it to Daniel. Okay.
Starting point is 01:31:08 My brother gave it to me from his friend. But you have, so the blackberry is it in your name that you've given to Daniel? So does Daniel, it was yours and you've given it to Daniel? My brother's friend didn't, it was an old blackberry and my brother's friend gave it to him. And I gave it, I gave it to Daniel. When did you give it to Daniel? I gave it to a friend to give to Daniel. How long ago?
Starting point is 01:31:38 A couple of, maybe a week. A week ago? A week, maybe a week and a day. What's the PIN command for that? You know, do you have a personal identification number for security reasons? Have you ever been given that by, by blackberry? No. No?
Starting point is 01:31:53 There's, there's no lock that I know. Okay. So Daniel is, was and likely still remains to be a drug dealer. Self-admitted when he was in the air the other day. So stepping back from that is I had asked you is prior to the incident, when's the last time you spoke to Daniel? What I should have said to you is when is the last time from today for back that you spoke to Daniel? When is the last time you met with him and spoke with him?
Starting point is 01:32:28 I saw him here yesterday when I was leaving. Did you talk to him? Just briefly. You didn't see him or talk to him any other times other than right here in the police station? And if I told you that Daniel says that you spoke to him, you did have a conversation with him somewhere else? He would be lying? The last time I spoke to him was when he asked for the blackberry.
Starting point is 01:33:15 And that was a week ago? It's because my grandfather had just, he was in the hospital and I snuck over and dropped it off for a friend at his paintball place. And who is the friend that you gave it to? I only know his first name. Hessen. Hessen? And where's the paintball place?
Starting point is 01:33:39 Victoria Park in McNichol. Right at Victoria Park in McNichol? Between McNichol and Steele on Victoria Park. When there's a lot of people, remember I told you about the media? They're bad. They can be very bad when they start to sniff around and they sense something. And I can tell you that the media is portraying that this was supposed to be some sort of drug related, that you guys weren't a random target, that you were a targeted house because of drug
Starting point is 01:34:15 activity. What would you say to that? I don't deal the drugs. Okay, tell me more about that. You don't deal the drugs? Are you involved in the transportation and distribution? No. Have you ever been with Danny? This is something that's very important.
Starting point is 01:34:36 Have you ever been with Danny when Danny's doing that? He normally leaves me with a friend and says he's going out with his friend. So when you go out and see him for once during the time, once a week? I tell my parents that I was going to class. And before class or after class, I'd go by him lunch and bring it by his work. And sometimes I would see him and sometimes I'd just give it to a co-worker to give to him. And how long, when you see him, how long would you see him for? 10 minutes, 15 minutes, because he was working.
Starting point is 01:35:08 When he wasn't working and you were able to get out and see him, how long? It hasn't happened in a long time. And how long is a long time? The last time I saw him outside of that was when Gary picked me up and I got caught by my parents. And that was, I'd say a year, if not a year and a half on this. And why did he want your blackberry? He said that he had sold his blackberry, so he needed a phone. And that blackberry, what, like, I'm kind of confused is, was that an active phone?
Starting point is 01:35:44 No. Because now we're talking about three phones now. We're talking, or we got a SIM card. We got the phone that your parents know you have and you got a blackberry up until a week ago. Yes. So the blackberry is what I was using with my own Roger SIM card. The phone I'm using now was an old phone that I no longer used. Okay, so the reception was open.
Starting point is 01:36:04 The blackberry was your normal phone that you were using on a regular basis. And you would switch SIM cards. So if you were going to communicate with him with the other SIM card, you'd put the SIM card in that blackberry and talk to him through that? I had an iPhone that I kept in my room that my parents didn't know about. Because my brother, I had one that Daniel gave me earlier, but it broke. So my brother, what he did was he fixed the part so he can have one that he used himself. But the one I had wasn't fully functioning.
Starting point is 01:36:35 It was just, it had no internet access on it. So I just kept it for phone calls and I kept it hidden. And where is that phone now? It should be still on my, in my room. Yes, where? I believe it was on my laptop table or something from my counter. And it doesn't have a SIM card in it right now? No, I don't keep the SIM card in it just in case my parents asked.
Starting point is 01:37:02 Okay, so there's an iPhone by your desk, on your desk, somewhere in that in your room. And the Rogers, I mean the blackberry that you had had up until a week and it went to Daniel. And for what reason it went to Daniel? He had another, a newer blackberry. But he said someone wanted to buy it, like a friend of his wanted to buy it. And that he needed a phone temporarily. So he took your phone? So I, I had another phone as well.
Starting point is 01:37:32 So I said, okay, I'll lend you this one. So it sounds as if you couldn't let Danny go. Like you're, you're still there. You're still hoping. The hope isn't much, but. But you're still hoping. I still care. You're not, you're not walking away from it, right?
Starting point is 01:37:53 You haven't walked away from it even with the comments that you've received these comments from. I had, and then, but I had for a while, I disappeared from him for a while. But I needed, it was just he, he's that calm, that he can make me calm. So I reached back out to him. So is the, is it you instigating all the communication or does he reach back? Does he start? You reach back as well. Okay.
Starting point is 01:38:27 Now, you have to figure, as I said, the media can be horrific in some cases. And I told you not to read or pay attention to the news. And I know for a fact that in one of the newspapers, that the angle that's being portrayed it right now is that this was a drug that you guys were not a random, but a targeted residents because of drug related activity. You and your family were engaged in drug related activity. Now, is it possible that Danny, that you are being mistaken somehow as being involved in his life and that angle of things? Well, I haven't been around his life for a while, like going out with him. But I wouldn't say it's completely out of the question, but I haven't, I don't, I don't go around with him when he's doing that kind of stuff. I, I don't like it and I refuse to be a part of that.
Starting point is 01:39:28 Then they started talking about Daniel's girlfriend, Christine. Jennifer encouraged the conversation when it steered towards Christine being involved in drug running. Detective Slade asked, how would you feel if Daniel is the one through whatever activity you're involved in? Whatever activity who has brought this back to you? Jennifer didn't reply. Counting both interviews, Slade had by now interviewed Jennifer for over five hours. Just over the five hour mark, he asked. So you're telling me that you, you had no involvement in what happened, meaning not saying how the outcome came, but you had no involvement in any type of illegal activity that would have drawn you
Starting point is 01:40:10 or the attention of you to have bad people come to your house looking for large sums of money. You're not involved in this any which way because the question obviously stands, Jennifer, is you're upstairs and they're downstairs, right? So it's a natural concern when why would they leave you alone? Why would they not do the same to you?
Starting point is 01:40:49 You can't answer that question. The only thing I can say is he said I cooperated but I asked him to take me. The number one guy, the number one guy said you're cooperating. Okay there's no, you had no threats and again, we're back to the fact that you admittedly lied. Okay, not to me, right? Not to me. No. You admittedly lied. You've lied to your parents, right, about going to school.
Starting point is 01:41:23 You've lied to Danny about being, Daniel about being raped and about receiving a bullet. Who's to say this whole thing isn't a lie? That what you're telling me is a lie because if you are lying, it's the most cold-blooded thing that I've ever faced in my life. There is nothing that you've said to me today as a lie and I want to, I want to just put a little preamble, not nothing in here that you might have mistaken
Starting point is 01:42:10 because of order of events. I'm saying to you, right now, is there anything throughout the course of your statement today where you've lied to me? From your interaction with Danny, Daniel, from your, I'm not involved in drugs and I don't have anything to do with them and we don't have large sums of money. What about life insurance policies? Do your parents have life insurance policies? I think, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:42:43 You don't? I know they had a, they had a, I have one of myself. Yes. And my mom and I, yes. And my mom, they used to have one for me when I was younger. Okay.
Starting point is 01:43:01 But half of that went to education, half went to life insurance and when they found out I didn't go to university, they asked for the money back. So hang on a second here. You told me that you told me that they never knew you didn't go to university. When did they find out that you didn't go to university? I told them that I graduated but I never went to university. That I went for two years but I never finished. Okay.
Starting point is 01:43:34 And they wanted the money back as a result of that? Yes. So you did actually tell your parents somewhat of the truth that you never went to university or, but it's, it's half truth. Yes. So back to this line is where we're talking about the fact that, of the line, right, is that it's a, I don't deal with the drugs, I don't associate with that. Okay.
Starting point is 01:44:02 I honest, I don't. Now, back to another very difficult question, but if I don't ask it, I'm going to be, it's an obvious one. The resentment that you had, that you may have had towards your parents for the interference in your relationship and your life and essentially locking you down in your house. At the end of the day, I love my parents and I chose to be with them. And if I wanted to, I could have just left, but I didn't. I wanted to stay with them and take care of them. So this wasn't some evil plot that you thought up to?
Starting point is 01:44:41 Oh my god, no. No interaction, no belief, no, you didn't have anything to do with this thing at all whatsoever. You don't engage in a legal activity? No. Because you know that it'll be very easily, it will be a very easy thing to discredit you on, right? We're in the process of trying to add credibility to what you tell us and that's through the process of asking people and doing whatever, through that same process. It will be very easy to find the flaws in what you've said.
Starting point is 01:45:09 Which again then turns the focus back to you. Okay? It's a natural progress, it's a natural thing that investigators do. We eliminate people or we draw our attention to them. It's a natural thing. It's not brain surgery, okay? Detective Slade left the room briefly and when he re-entered, Jennifer told him he gave her a fright. Slade asked her to sit down.
Starting point is 01:45:37 He said the interview was over. He told her he didn't want her walking away thinking that he was evil for asking some tough questions. He wanted her to know he was going to turn over every stone to help catch the people responsible for her mum's murder. He said, Sometimes we have to ask really difficult questions, but it's my job. I hope you understand. I understand that, it's just... It's hard to take.
Starting point is 01:46:03 Have you lied to me? No. No? You haven't lied to me about anything? I said whatever I could to help. Okay. So, if you've always told the truth, the truth will never hurt you. It may get you into a bit of trouble, right?
Starting point is 01:46:20 The truth can get you into trouble if you've done some things wrong. But generally, in most cases, if you tell the truth, you'll always be fine. So, that's the avenue. That's the avenue you have to think about. I can always, I never do anything wrong if I tell the truth. And if I've said some things that are lies, or I've held something back because I think it might hurt me, and I've said some things that are lies, or I've held something back because I think it might hurt me, those are the things that will cause people to look at you more intently.
Starting point is 01:46:56 Because the question is, is why would that person do that to me? They've got something to hide, right? So, you know, the fact that you've lied to your parents over a long period of time, the fact that you've lied to Daniel about those other two events, and those are disturbing. But I don't live in your shoes, and I would never judge you on that fact, but from an outsider looking in to have to live under those conditions, to have to lie continually, you're going to ask the question why.
Starting point is 01:47:43 And if that's the way that you have to live, that's the way you have to live. But people will judge you on your lie, right? My concern lies in the fact of your lying, okay? You've come clean, you've never lied to me before, right? I've never met you to be a liar, but the fact is that you've lied about stuff to Daniel, you've lied to your parents. So, could you be lying to me? I can't.
Starting point is 01:48:19 Why couldn't you be lying to me? Because you're scaring me. It doesn't mean that you couldn't be lying to me, right? I don't know you. I've known you now for probably five hours intermittent. I hope you're not lying to me, right? That's all I can hope for. But the fact of the matter is, is that those three things are sitting there saying,
Starting point is 01:48:42 you know, like, you have the ability to trick your parents for a long period of time. They're just writing the tools I was doing. Very explainable, and I also weren't, I wasn't living where you are, right? And so I'm not going to prejudge you, because I, people do what they need to do to survive. So it could very easily be justified as a survival mechanism. It's the best avenue that you saw and you were stuck in it. Okay? But the fact is, is that my job is, is trying to get the root of a, of a very serious crime.
Starting point is 01:49:16 And I have to explore every avenue that we possibly can. So I'm going to do everything in my power to either prove us as, as our police agency, prove or disprove what you've told us. The more we prove or can cooperate, the more credibility you, you have as, as a witness. Okay? That's going to happen. We may even ask you to come back again. Again, it will be not for, you will not be explaining what happened in a grand scheme of things,
Starting point is 01:49:50 because you've done that up and down and backwards. It may be for points of clarification. Okay? Because again, we're speaking to, we're going to be going and likely speaking to some of your friends and your relatives. And it's just points of clarification. It may not happen. It may, you know, I'm only saying that it may, I told you, I didn't want to do the five and
Starting point is 01:50:09 six and seven interviews with you. Well, after today, that's not going to happen. But we may be contacting you to help us for some other points that we come across. After her interview, Jennifer went to visit her father at hospital with her brother Felix. She was chased through the hospital car park by reporters. Felix helped to shield her from the press. Jennifer covered her face underneath the hood of her jacket, but it was photographed when she looked up to see where she was going.
Starting point is 01:50:37 The following day, pan pan woke up from a three day induced coma. Doctors were unable to remove the bullet fragments lodged in his face, and he was facing a long recovery from a shattered neck bone. But the emotional recovery would take much longer. Han remembered what happened instantly and relived the shock of losing his wife. His brother sat by his bedside and told him the things that had been happening in the last three days. The first thing he told Han was that while he was in a coma, Bicar's father, Jennifer's grandfather, had passed away. Bicar's family believed he passed away from grief.
Starting point is 01:51:14 Then he told Han about Jennifer borrowing some change and making a phone call from a pay phone, pretending her phone ran out of battery. Jennifer's family knew she was lying and her phone wasn't out of battery. After allowing him a brief conversation with his brother, detectives interviewed Han. Jennifer was not allowed to see or speak to her father until detectives finished questioning him. Detectives Marco Napolioni and David McDonald entered the hospital room. They found Han propped up in bed, almost unable to speak, having to breathe through a mouthpiece. His face swollen from his injuries.
Starting point is 01:51:50 Han revealed disturbing memories etched in his mind of the home invasion. He recalled that while one of the men was moving Jennifer, he saw his daughter chatting softly with him, like a friend. He revealed that during the time he and Bicar were being threatened with guns and laid away, Jennifer's arms were not tied behind her back. Han said she was comfortable and freely moving around the house. They talked at length about Jennifer's odd behavior. They talked about her past. They talked about her lying. The officers knew Han believed his daughter had something to hide. Han looked both detectives square in the eye and said, Use your police tactics to find out who did this.
Starting point is 01:52:33 Han said that he did not want to see his daughter and Jennifer was told not to visit him. Even though Han's family had to wait to see him properly, their happiness at his recovery was evident as they gathered ready to help him through his grief and recovery. Jennifer, however, sought out the hospital therapist, having a breakdown over how this was all affecting her. She did not appear to be grieving her mother and she showed no concern for her father. She was more worried about how she was being portrayed in the media. Her self-absorption did not go unnoticed to those around her. Two days later, after Han had been interviewed for the second time, Jennifer snuck into his room in the hospital in a rare moment where she wasn't being monitored by someone. Han asked her if she thought Daniel was behind the murder.
Starting point is 01:53:18 She replied, I don't know 100%, but I don't think he was. Han also asked Jennifer if it was Daniel who she called from the pay phone right after she discovered he was going to survive. Jennifer admitted to the call, but said it was only to share the good news. Jennifer then asked her dad for $1200 for college tuition. That day, Detective Curtis officially made Jennifer a suspect in the investigation. Jennifer started making arrangements for both her mother's and grandfather's funerals. Jennifer complained to friends that her father left her to arrange the funerals by herself. Han chose to pay his respects to his wife in private and not attend her funeral.
Starting point is 01:54:00 He was still awaiting surgery to remove bullet fragments from his face. At the chapel, Jennifer and Felix held each other. Police were also in attendance. This gruesome murder happened in their community and they wanted to pay their respects, but they were also there to see how their new suspect behaved. Here's what one officer said. She's up there rubbing her eyes, then looking up at us, then rubbing her eyes again, but never crying. That funeral really got to me.
Starting point is 01:54:29 Don't be looking at us when you're paying your respects to your mum who was just killed. She wasn't crying, her head was down, it was like she was crying, but with no tears. With the funerals over, Jennifer's family became vocal about their confusion over her behaviour. She was confronted by her uncle who told her he remembered seeing her a few months earlier at a coffee shop with a black male. Jennifer brushed her off. On Monday, November 22nd, a week and a half after her last statement, Jennifer was called back in for questioning. This time she was being questioned by Detective William Gates. He went through the formalities and mentioned to Jennifer that she had the right to a lawyer, but she was not under arrest.
Starting point is 01:55:13 The tone was different to the last two police interviews. It was more formal. Gates asked Jennifer lots of personal questions about her friends, her hobbies, and herself as a person. He then started to delve into how she was treated by her parents. Jennifer quietly described their expectations. She described how during school her parents compared her to other people, often saying she should be more like them. She confirmed there was never any physical abuse of any kind. Gates asked,
Starting point is 01:55:42 Did you ever feel like you weren't as smart as they thought you were? It was pretty tough to live up to their expectations. Jennifer agreed. He then asked. And their expectations were so high that few people could ever reach those expectations. Jennifer agreed. The interview continued on a much more personal note. They discussed how events with Daniel and her family made her feel.
Starting point is 01:56:06 It became clear that Jennifer didn't really know where she stood with Daniel. One day he said he saw a future with her, the next day he said the opposite. She was asked if she felt it was fair that at the age of 24 she had to stay at home with a curfew of 9pm. Jennifer said, Considering my past, I understood. They talked about the call Jennifer made to Andrew on the day of the home invasion. They also discussed the time when she met Andrew's roommate, Ricardo. A person she hadn't yet mentioned and who we will get to in a minute.
Starting point is 01:56:37 They got onto the subject of the attackers. Gates said, Now obviously we have spoken to a lot of people. And one of your relatives has told us that you said that these guys liked you. Why did you say that? Jennifer, I didn't say that. I said I asked them why when they separated me from my parents in the house. Why couldn't I be with them?
Starting point is 01:56:58 And they said, You've cooperated. Just keep on cooperating. Okay, so you've made that comment to a relative though, that they liked you. Did you feel they liked you? Jennifer, no. They had a gun to my head. Why did they not shoot you?
Starting point is 01:57:18 I don't know. When they took my parents away I asked to go with them and they were like shut up. But you must have thought of this. You must be thinking. I still do and I still couldn't say everything. And what have you come up with in your mind and why? The only thing they could say was they kept saying that I cooperated and to shut up and to cooperate. Keep cooperating.
Starting point is 01:57:46 Did you feel like your parents didn't cooperate? I don't know. Is there something that they didn't cooperate with? They were trying. That's what I mean. So really they did cooperate. When you think about it. There was no money to be found.
Starting point is 01:58:06 They told the truth. That he had $60. So there wasn't anything that he wasn't cooperating with? I don't know. I'm just trying to say you were there. I'm just trying to get a feel for it. Did you think he wasn't cooperating? No.
Starting point is 01:58:26 I thought that everyone was cooperating. That's what they kept saying. No one would get hurt if he just cooperated. I'm trying to figure out where they didn't cooperate. Now, do you think there's any reason why they tied you up and didn't tie your parents up? I don't know. It does not seem odd to you. Why does it seem odd?
Starting point is 01:58:59 Because I was away from both of your separated siblings at the time. And does it make sense that they would leave a witness behind? They're going to kill somebody? Does that make sense? I guess I think so. Just thinking about it. Does that make sense for somebody that was going to kill somebody to leave a witness behind that could describe them? Does that make common sense for killers?
Starting point is 01:59:32 No. Gates went over Jennifer's previous statements and clarified a few points. He asked her much finer details than she had been asked previously. Jennifer struggled to answer. He scrutinized the evening and the moments before the home invasion, and Jennifer became visibly upset. She struggled to get any words out. Her voice was timid. The questions were very detailed.
Starting point is 01:59:57 Gates drilled her about the time frame between when her mum came home from dancing and when the intruders broke in. Jennifer said she went down to say hello and get a glass of water. The water was a new detail. He asked her where exactly she got the water from. He asked her if at any time when she was downstairs, did she check if the house was secure? She said no. That's what the last person who goes to bed does. He asked her specifically if she checked the front door.
Starting point is 02:00:23 She said no. Gates then asked her if it would be typical that if her mother arrived home late at night, like she had done on this particular night, that she would automatically lock the front door as she went inside. As Gates asked this question, Jennifer sat up straight and looked at him. It's the most attention she had given him throughout the interview. Almost two hours into the interview, Detective Gates stepped out of the room. By this point, Jennifer was completely bent over with her face in her hands. She was whimpering and breathing deeply.
Starting point is 02:00:56 When Detective Gates walked back into the room, he had some news. Now, the reason why I'm here today is that I'm an expert in what we call truth verification. I'm not a homicide detective, although I work on a lot of homicides. My job in any case, and anybody that's a witness in this case, I have to speak to them. After they've been interviewed originally by anybody else. What it's about is truth verification. Basically, all my studies come into interviewing and detecting deception. Determine if somebody's telling them to please the truth.
Starting point is 02:01:49 Gates explained to Jennifer that he had physically written out the entire two statements she had previously given to Detective Slade. Every word, every syllable. He told her he is trained to notice when someone is speaking in a style of language which differs from their usual style. They don't even know they are doing it. There is even software that helps them determine whether certain words or statements ring alarm bells. Jennifer learnt that the software they used to analyse her statement was event probability analysis. Her statement was fed into the computer.
Starting point is 02:02:20 They'd analyse what she said and it told them areas of deception or areas of concern within her statement. Gates then went into more new detail about the level of forensic examination that had occurred at her house. How they now knew exactly where and when people were in the rooms of the house on the night of the invasion. They knew which rooms people were not in. He then mentioned the door locks and latches. As Jennifer nodded her head and twirled her hair, Gates explained that they could tell with layers of fingerprints who touched the door lock last. Possibly to unlock it after someone else had already locked it. Over and over Gates dropped the hints and Jennifer took them.
Starting point is 02:03:00 She realised she was in trouble. As Gates continued, Jennifer hung her head lower and lower. Everyone has the capability, Jennifer, of making a mistake. Doing the wrong thing. The key, though, when I talk to people is when they made a mistake. That's one thing, right? The key is to not keep making the same mistake. And to get that information out of it and get it off your chest.
Starting point is 02:04:01 Do you understand what I'm saying? Okay? So at the end of the day from this case, and I can tell you I've spent literally a week on this case going over information after information. Accessing all this sources, speaking to every other expert on the case. Okay? And at this point, Jennifer, I know that you've not been truthful with the police. Okay? You've not told us everything that you know, purposely.
Starting point is 02:04:35 Okay? And that you've left information out. Okay? There's a number of inconsistencies in what you've told the police. Okay? One of the things you have to remember is that your dad was there. Okay? And your dad had a front row seat to all of us.
Starting point is 02:04:58 Okay? And your dad's a very smart man. Okay? And he has a very clear perception of what's going on. And he tells a very truthful story, because I've gone through this whole process with him. Okay? I've had to do the same thing. And I know he's being truthful. Okay?
Starting point is 02:05:20 The problem is that your story, what you're telling, is not truthful. Okay? And we have to clear this up. Okay? Your rendition of what happened won a lot of events you say that happened never did. Okay? A lot of things that you told the police happened never happened. Okay?
Starting point is 02:05:47 They never happened in the sequence that you told. Okay? You better remember that your dad was there. Okay? There's a lot of it. There's a lot of other things that tell me that you've not been truthful. All this analysis that I've been doing. But on top of it, that yours doesn't match at all, except for a very few factors that you've told truth, but you haven't told all the truth.
Starting point is 02:06:11 We're getting into where, you know, you've spent a considerable amount of time in the last seven years telling half-truths. Okay? You've had a tough life. Okay? What's happened to you, to me, equates to abuse. Okay? And all the stresses that you've had and forced to lie, I can understand why you did it. Okay?
Starting point is 02:06:39 But you're in another situation here where you're under another tremendous amount of stress. Okay? And that stress is brought on by those same factors that brought on stress before. Okay? The number one thing that brings on stress to you is when you're not truthful. Right? That hurts you, right? Okay?
Starting point is 02:07:01 And it doesn't feel good inside, does it? It breaks down the person that you are. Because at the end of the day, you're a good person. I know that. You've got a good heart. Okay? In this case, though, you've made mistakes. Okay?
Starting point is 02:07:18 And you're involved in this. I know that. Okay? There's no question about it. Okay? The only question right now is, are you going to keep making mistakes? Are you going to go on the route that you've gone on over the years and try to pretend that things happen that never happened?
Starting point is 02:07:36 Okay? Are you going to not face reality here? Okay? You were not truthful to the police in this case. We know that you're involved. We've done our homework. Okay? We have to resolve that now here today.
Starting point is 02:07:53 Okay? I need to know from you what really happened. Okay? And I mean, who else is involved in this? Okay? Because there's no doubt, Jennifer, that you are. Okay? We know that.
Starting point is 02:08:08 We're past that. Okay? There's no question about it at all. Okay? And I know why this has happened. Okay? You have spent your whole life trying to live up to expectations that you can't make. Okay?
Starting point is 02:08:22 And it's stressed the hell out of you. You're a 24-year-old woman being treated like a 15-year-old. Okay? You've never done anything that terrible in your life, but you're being treated like you have. You're not being treated like the adult that you are. Yes, you made some mistakes. Big deal.
Starting point is 02:08:42 You're not the first person that has gone out and not told their parents that they're dating a guy, because in your culture, they don't accept it. I understand that. I've talked to people in here that have kept that secret for their whole life from their parents. Okay? So that's not abnormal, but that puts a lot of stress on you. Right?
Starting point is 02:09:02 That's not easy for you, is it? No. Now, what we need to get down to here today, Jen, is what really happened. You need to tell me what went on, because you know who was in that house that night. You do, Jen. There's no question about that, okay? There's no question about it, okay? You have actually given an improper description of the person you were dealing with upstairs.
Starting point is 02:09:37 Number one, you falsified the whole description of that person. We know that, okay? We know that, okay? Yes, you did, Jen. Okay? You did. You made a mistake here, and we've got to get to the bottom of that. That person did not exist in that house that night.
Starting point is 02:09:59 I know that. Okay? We've done our homework. Okay? You heard on the news that there was video, right? Okay? It wasn't three black guys that left that house. You know that, and I know that.
Starting point is 02:10:12 Okay? So we need to get down to why you purposely told us a false description of number one. Okay? No, Jen. It's totally wrong, and it was done on purpose. Okay? To mislead us. Okay?
Starting point is 02:10:32 Because you're involved in this. Okay? You cannot deny that. Okay? You cannot deny that. We know now. Okay? So let's just get it out on the table.
Starting point is 02:10:42 You've made a mistake. I know that. Okay? But you can't live with this any longer than this. Your buddy nervous wreck over this thing. This thing, if you could take it back, I know that you would. If you could go back to that day and play this all over again, it would be different. Okay?
Starting point is 02:11:01 But you need to right now know that we know that you're involved. There's no question about that. None whatsoever. Okay? But what we'd also know is that you're a good person. Okay? That's made a mistake here, right? You've made some bad decisions.
Starting point is 02:11:20 Okay? And it's, you know, how you made the bad decisions than not talking, telling your parents what's up. You don't want to do that with us. Okay? You don't want to do that with the police, do you? Yeah. You don't want to mislead me, do you? No.
Starting point is 02:11:35 Okay? So let's not do that. You made a mistake that night. You got involved with the wrong people. Okay? You got involved in the wrong set of circumstances. Okay? But that's over with now.
Starting point is 02:11:49 We're past that. Okay? We know that that happened. Okay? But, you know what? In all my years of placing, it doesn't matter what goes wrong with people, it's never too late to do the right thing. You know that, and I know that.
Starting point is 02:12:08 Okay? And what you can do here today is actually do the right thing. Okay? You have to do the right thing. Okay? You don't want to drown continuing this. Okay? Remember when you said what it did to you when you went through those years of depression?
Starting point is 02:12:24 That was brought on by not being truthful. Living a lie. You don't want to keep living this lie. Okay? Everybody knows. Okay? You know, and you're getting the feeling from everybody around you that they know. Okay?
Starting point is 02:12:39 Nobody is surprised. Okay? There's nobody surprised here. Okay? After what you've been through, I'm surprised this didn't happen a lot earlier, truthful. You're 24 years old and you're a prisoner in your own house. You had lost your own identity. There was no Jennifer anymore.
Starting point is 02:13:02 You were living for what somebody else wanted. You weren't you. You were what somebody else wanted. You were living someone else's expectations. And yes, family is important, but when family takes over you as a human being, when they take your identity, there is no more Jen. So no matter how good their intentions are, no matter how much they love you, they're taking away Jen, okay?
Starting point is 02:13:32 And you have gone through this for years in the middle of tension. Tension that's got to the point that it makes you sick. Your stomach turns over. You don't wake up a day that there's not some issue on the table, not some stress in your household, okay? Essentially, you've been told to live up to that expectation. You yourself years ago knew that you could not do, okay? They're taking away Jen.
Starting point is 02:14:03 There is no Jen. They took Jen away. The Jen that just wants to be a piano teacher. Why isn't that good enough? Why was that not good enough? That was great expectations. Why not just be a lab technician? Why the doctor?
Starting point is 02:14:21 Why does it always have to be something bigger? Why can't it just be what you want? And all that has resulted in what's happened on November 8. The tension builds up to a point that, you know what? It's like an animal that gets cornered. At some point, the nicest dog when it's cornered bites back. Three months before the home invasion, in the spring of 2010, Jennifer made contact with an old school friend called Andrew Montemare.
Starting point is 02:14:58 This was the same Andrew Jennifer told Detective Slade she'd spoken to the day of the home invasion. The same Andrew that during a later account of the story, she remembered she also had a quick phone conversation with the evening of the home invasion. Andrew and Jennifer had gone to elementary school together, and she remembered him boasting that he had robbed people at Knife Point. She told him about how awful her home life was and how her parents controlled every detail of her existence.
Starting point is 02:15:24 Andrew said he understood her pain and that he had once considered killing his own father. This planted a seed inside Jennifer, and by the early summer of 2010, she started to hatch a plan that included a world without her father in it. She went back to Andrew. Andrew introduced her to his roommate, Ricardo Dunn. They created a plan for Ricardo to murder her father in the parking lot of his work.
Starting point is 02:15:47 Jennifer had saved $1,500 from her piano lessons. She gave it to Ricardo and said she would contact him to make a date. According to Jennifer's story, Ricardo stopped answering her calls and disappeared with the money. Ricardo's version is that in July 2010, Jennifer phoned and asked to meet him for a coffee. She was in a hysterical state, asking him to murder her parents. His answer was no way.
Starting point is 02:16:12 He said that after this, he stopped speaking to her. Ricardo was the black male that Jennifer's uncle had seen her with at the coffee shop. He admitted that she did give him money once, but that it was only $200 for a night out, which he paid back. Jennifer then went to her ex, Daniel Wong. Jennifer was the one in the household who always helped her mother with bills. She knew the extent of their finances. If her parents died, she would be set to inherit half a million dollars.
Starting point is 02:16:39 Her and Daniel could set up a house together and live a normal life. Daniel knew someone. Being in the drug trade, it was easy to find someone willing to do anything for money. This was when Daniel introduced Jennifer to Lenford Crawford, who they called Homeboy. Daniel gave Jennifer a spare iPhone so they could contact each other without anyone knowing. Jennifer used this phone to call Daniel and Crawford, or Homeboy, sometimes removing the SIM card, swapping it back and forth into her own phone. So with Crawford in charge and Daniel as an accomplice, Crawford recruited two other friends,
Starting point is 02:17:15 David Milvaganum and Eric Carty, who would be in charge of arranging the car and driving the three men to and from the scene. The fee was $5,000 for each parent, a total of $10,000. A small down payment was given by Jennifer. $2,000 was to be handed over during the home invasion, and the remaining money was to be handed over when life insurance payments came through. The date was set for November 2nd, but in the morning, Jennifer received a text from Daniel. Daniel was honest with Jennifer.
Starting point is 02:17:45 He had moved on with someone else. He told her that he felt for his new girlfriend the way Jennifer felt for him. Jennifer, so you feel for her what I feel for you, then call it off with Homeboy. Daniel, I thought you wanted this for you. Jennifer, I do, but I have nowhere to go. Daniel, call it off with Homeboy, question mark. You said you wanted this with or without me. Jennifer, I want it for me.
Starting point is 02:18:12 Jennifer then received the text from Crawford. I need the time of completion, think about it. Jennifer replied, today is a no-go. Dinner plans out, so won't be home in time. Cardi was pleased the killing had been postponed as he was having trouble getting enough money together for gas. The next day, Daniel texted Jennifer again. I did everything and lined it all up for you.
Starting point is 02:18:36 Even though Daniel had pushed Jennifer away again, he continued to flirt with her and encouraged her to flirt back. On the morning of November 8th, 2010, Jennifer received another text from Crawford. After work, okay, we'll be game time. Between 4.30pm and 10.25pm, Jennifer and her old school friend Andrew exchanged nearly 100 text messages. They also spoke on the phone. Andrew wasn't involved in the plan, but she did tell him it was about to happen.
Starting point is 02:19:05 He brushed it off. Even though only months prior, he had introduced her to Ricardo. Someone he thought could help her kill her father. He would go on to testify that he didn't really believe she had gone ahead with it. Andrew had a crush on Jennifer. He said he had blinkers on. The extent of their texts are unknown as Jennifer deleted them before the home invasion. At 6.12pm, Lentford Crawford called Jennifer.
Starting point is 02:19:30 It was on. After Jennifer watched TV with her friend Adrian and he left, her and Daniel had a long text message conversation discussing in-jokes about chickens and monkeys. At 9.00pm, Eric Cardi and David Milvaganum met up in a hire car and collected Lentford Crawford. At 9.35pm, David Milvaganum's phone was used to call Jennifer. He let her know they were close.
Starting point is 02:19:58 After Jennifer hung up, she opened the door of her bedroom and walked down the stairs. She said goodnight to her mother, walked to the front door and unlocked it. It was 9.45pm. At 2 minutes past 10pm, Jennifer walked to the dark study next to her parents' bedroom where her father was asleep. She flipped the study light on for a minute, then switched it off. Something which was caught on the security video footage from the house across the road. Two minutes later, David Milvaganum called again.
Starting point is 02:20:30 This time they spoke for three and a half minutes. Within seconds of hanging up, the rental car pulled up at their house and Lentford Crawford, David Milvaganum and Eric Cardi walked through the front door. All three carrying guns. The evidence the police had against Jennifer was compelling. The messages and calls made from her everyday phone as well as her burner phone led them to piece together a clear picture of the planning that went into the staged tome invasion. They needed to push her just that little bit further to confess.
Starting point is 02:21:01 But she didn't. Instead of confessing, she spent further hours in the interview spinning a story of how she had arranged the home invasion. But the plan was to kill her, not her parents. She didn't want to bring shame on her family by committing suicide, so she created an elaborate suicide plan for a home invasion gone wrong. She said she tried to call off the hit, but somehow the wires got crossed and the men arrived and killed her mother and almost killed her father.
Starting point is 02:21:30 Jennifer never left her third interview on November 22nd. York Regional Police arrested Jennifer and charged her with first-degree murder, attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder. Jennifer hunched over and sobbing, asked repeatedly, what happens to me? The day after Jennifer's arrest, police held a second press conference. Citing a continuing investigation, police provided few details about the arrest of Jennifer or the potential motive, but confirmed the investigation moved in a new direction
Starting point is 02:22:00 when Han woke up from his coma and provided a version of events that differed greatly to Jennifer's. Detective Cook from the investigation team later said he knew something was up from the very beginning. He was an officer who continually voiced his opinion throughout the investigation. He said, I knew it was an inside job. I always thought she was part of it. You don't break into a house, shoot and kill two people and then leave a witness tied up. I mean, they tied her up. It's not like she hid from them.
Starting point is 02:22:31 She's tied up, but other people are subject to being shot, yet not this person. Why not? It goes against everything we know. It just doesn't make sense. Jennifer was remanded into custody due to face court a week later. While now the police were tracking their other suspects and got an interesting lead in the hours following Jennifer's arrest. After news broke of Jennifer being in custody, Cardi called Crawford while he was at work.
Starting point is 02:22:58 When Crawford finished work, he headed towards Daniel Wong's house where he arrived at 2am. He's and Daniel's phones pinged to the same cell phone tower for 40 minutes, leading police to believe they were in the same location engaging in a conversation. The same thing happened 12 hours later, just after 2pm. Daniel and Crawford were in the same location again. Crawford wasn't happy. If Jennifer had been arrested, who would be paying them? It took York Regional Police five months to make all the arrests.
Starting point is 02:23:30 They relied on cell phone location analysis, cell phone calls and texts to piece the elaborate murder plan together. Along with Jennifer, all were charged with first degree murder, attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder. The first two arrests police made were David Milvaganum and Eric Cardi. Cardi had since been arrested for another murder that occurred in 2009 and was already being held in a correctional facility at the time of his arrest. Detective Sergeant Larry Wilson released a statement. We are continuing to investigate this incident and are expecting further arrests. He refused to comment on the relationship between Jennifer and the two men accused,
Starting point is 02:24:08 other than to acknowledge there was a connection. I'm not going to get into details in regards to motive, but I think with the daughter involved and the conspiracy aspect to it, I think the motive is pretty clear. He went on with a message for those not yet caught. I urged the remaining persons involved in this horrendous crime to seek legal counsel and turn themselves in immediately. York Regional Police Superintendent Wayne Kalinsky also released the statement. This was not a random act. Citizens will be relieved by the fact that we've made arrests in this matter.
Starting point is 02:24:42 This was a targeted residence. On April 26th, 2011, Daniel Wong was arrested in front of his colleagues at Boston Pizza. Two weeks later, Lenford Crawford was arrested at his girlfriend's house. With five people charged and awaiting trial, the prosecution got to work on their case. Police were commended for their diligent work in following the trail to catch those arrested. There were still thoughts that other people could possibly be linked on the peripheral, and it was still unclear who exactly pulled the trigger. But it was agreed the case would proceed with all five charged, with first-degree murder, attempted murder, and conspiracy to commit murder.
Starting point is 02:25:21 The detailed analysis of phone records was described as second to none, with over a million pieces of mobile phone data scanned in order to make the arrests. The case took three years to come to trial, and when the court sat on March 19th, 2014, in the Newmarket Courthouse, it was expected to last five months. It would go on to last ten. The press was in overdrive. At the time of the home invasion, this case had taken over the news and was one of the biggest and most intriguing stories. After arrests were made, the story faded, and it was only now gearing back up for almost another year of intrigue
Starting point is 02:25:56 as the fate of Jennifer Pan and her co-accused were in the hands of the court. Headlines like, daughter from hell trial begins, gives a little insight into the sentiment at the time. Reporters descended from all over Canada, the United States, China, the Philippines, and Vietnam. This story transcended through generations of Asian immigrant families to Canada. Hardworking parents and grandparents felt deep sorrow for Han Pan, who had only wanted what was best for his daughter. Other children of pushy, tiger parents as they were called, felt for Jennifer. A daughter pushed and pushed with expectations she could never reach, tipped over the edge. Jennifer, now 27, had aged in her three years in custody, her face no longer sweet and childlike.
Starting point is 02:26:42 She'd had three years to reflect on the decisions she had made in her life that led her to that point. Three years without the love and support of her family, as they had cut off all ties with her following her arrest. All five accused were tried together. All of them pleaded not guilty. Judge Kerry Boswell told the jury that just because all five accused were being tried together, it didn't mean they should all get the same verdict. As the packed courtroom held their breath, the five accused shuffled in. Their ankles shackled and their hands cuffed. They were led into their individual box seats separated by glass dividing walls.
Starting point is 02:27:20 Their shackles and cuffs removed before the jury arrived, so as not to create bias against them. More than 50 witnesses testified and the jury saw over 200 exhibits, including long segments of the 10 hours of police interviews the police had with Jennifer. They saw hundreds of pages of cell phone records, including phone calls, text messages and location data. Given the nature of much of the language used in the text message conversations, an expert in urban street sign took the witness stand. But the key witness was Jennifer's father, Han, who addressed the jury with a sad tale of how Andy's deceased wife had only wanted the best for their daughter.
Starting point is 02:27:59 Crown lawyer Jennifer Harlejean presented a well thought out murder plan concocted by an intelligent and calculated daughter who couldn't get her own way, saying, Jennifer was determined to get her way, no matter what, even if it destroyed her family. Referring to the cult used, their motive was money, and while they didn't all pull the trigger, each participated in carrying out Jennifer's plans to murder her parents. The theory was that Jennifer orchestrated a staged home invasion in which both her parents would be killed and she'd get half, shared with her brother, of a handsome insurance inheritance. At least half a million dollars each, which she hoped would draw Daniel Wong,
Starting point is 02:28:39 whom she was obsessed with, back into her life. It was about the money, and it was about Jennifer's loathing of her father. In order for the jury to have an understanding of Jennifer's motive, prosecutors took them back to the beginning of her story. They argued that Jennifer's parents only wanted the best for their children, to work hard, get a university education, and have a better life than they did. Jennifer couldn't handle those high expectations. They took the jury through the lies and deceit that began in her early adolescence and continued to that day, sitting in court, still telling a tale so tightly woven
Starting point is 02:29:13 that she could no longer see where one lie ended and another began. The prosecution alleged that after she was turned down by Ricardo Duncan the first time she tried to have her father killed, she hatched a more elaborate and more violent plan, turning to her high school sweetheart, Daniel Wong, for help. Her plan was calculated and considered, and planned and deliberate. Jennifer was on the stand for seven days. She resembled the same character seen in her police interviews, softly spoken, bordering on shy, often with her head down. When not on the stand, she sat most of the time with her head low,
Starting point is 02:29:49 sometimes covering her face with her hands, as she had done in her police interviews. She weaved her way around the deeming text messages with her co-accused and desperately tried to convince the jury that although she had ordered a hit on her father in August 2010, three months later she had changed her mind. The court heard that Jennifer only wanted herself killed and ordered the hit to not bring the shame of suicide on her family. She said she never wanted her parents to be the target, it was her that was supposed to die. Jennifer's defense lawyer, Paul Cooper, painted Eric Cardi as a psychopathic killer,
Starting point is 02:30:25 who was not happy when Jennifer caught off her assisted suicide and not happy he hadn't been paid the $8,500 cancellation fee. Cooper stated, the events of that night were never supposed to happen. Jennifer would never be part of any plan to hurt her mother and she wasn't part of a plan to hurt her father. If this was a planned murder, why carry out the charade of the robbery? Why didn't the intruders shoot Mr. and Mrs. Pan immediately?
Starting point is 02:30:50 He called it a sloppy robbery led by idiots in a hurry and said Eric Cardi was the one calling the shots. Cooper alleged that it was Cardi who started shooting and that he was angry he wasn't receiving the money he wanted. Although sitting accused in this trial, Eric Cardi was now serving life in prison for the murder in 2009, a murder he was wanted for at the time of the Pan home invasion. It was an easy job to paint him as a killer with nothing to lose.
Starting point is 02:31:17 He was present at the beginning of the trial, but five months in, his lawyer became sick and was unable to continue with his defense, which led to Cardi's exit from the trial. He was tried separately at a later date. Cooper admitted to the jury that Jennifer had a history of lying, but claimed her weathered deceit only showed her to be a sheltered young woman with the social skills of a teenager.
Starting point is 02:31:39 He said they could not convict her of murder and reminded them they had to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that she meant for her parents to die. With Cardi now out of this trial, the defense for Crawford, Milvaganum and Daniel Wong told the court there was little evidence to convict the three men, other than the phone records. No DNA evidence was presented at trial.
Starting point is 02:31:59 There was no forensic evidence gathered from the house, no bloody clothes found, and no weapons recovered. The defense argued that if it was such a sloppy job as alleged by Jennifer's defense, then where was the physical evidence? Daniel Wong's defense lawyer said, Are you going to convict my client of a cold-blooded murder based on a couple of text messages?
Starting point is 02:32:20 Are you kidding me? He described Daniel as a universally educated, hard-working man who played the trumpet, who somehow got mixed up with dealing marijuana, and who fell under the spell of Jennifer Pan. She's a pathological liar who was playing games in the sickest possible way with Daniel's head, he said. Five months into the trial,
Starting point is 02:32:41 it was revealed that Dura No. 4's wife had sat in the courtroom every day watching. When Jennifer's father took the witness stand, he was joined by two Vietnamese interpreters. He did not look over at his daughter. He said the crime had shattered his life, adding that he was astonished to survive the shots through his face and shoulder.
Starting point is 02:33:00 He spoke with a deep sadness as he told the court of the decade of lying he and his wife endured from Jennifer. The jury took four days to reach its verdict. On December 13th, 2014, at 1.20pm, the jury informed Justice Boswell that a verdict had been reached. The accused all stood in the prisoner's dock
Starting point is 02:33:21 while their verdicts were read one by one. Jennifer Pan, David Milvaganum, Daniel Wong, and Alenford Crawford were all found guilty of the murder of Bikap Han and the attempted murder of Han Pan. Jennifer, as she always did, hung her head low and sobbed. This time, only she knew if the tears were real. She could be heard saying,
Starting point is 02:33:43 they didn't even give me a chance. One by one, each was asked to sit down. Family members were crying and some screaming as they left the courtroom. Han chose not to deliver his victim impact statement in person. A witness protection aide read it out. At red. When I lost my wife, I lost my daughter at the same time.
Starting point is 02:34:05 I don't feel like I have a family anymore. On the day Bikap died, I feel like I died too. My life totally changed that day. Some say I should feel lucky to be alive, but I feel like I am dead too. I can't work anymore because of my injuries and I've given up on all the things I used to do, like gardening, working on cars and listening to music.
Starting point is 02:34:26 There is no joy in any of that for me. I miss my wife so much. She knew me better than anyone and cared about me. I am so lonely without her. We were married for almost 30 years. Bikap was a good wife and a good mother. She always put her children first and rarely spent money on herself.
Starting point is 02:34:45 She loved music and loved to go line dancing. She took care of our children while I worked. She had always wanted to go to Vietnam and I always said we have to spend our money on the children's education first. But once they have finished school, we can focus on doing the things we want then. But that time never came for her.
Starting point is 02:35:03 I don't find any joy in holidays anymore. I am sad and lonely all the time. Sometimes when I see my friends, I try to pretend I am happy, but struggle with being jealous of my friends' families and their happiness. My only hope for the future is that Felix will get married and let me live with him.
Starting point is 02:35:20 Right now I live with my two sisters and my elderly mother, as I can't stand being in my home because of all the bad memories of what happened there. There are repairs that need to be done on the house, but because of my injuries, I am unable to do anything. I don't like going to my house
Starting point is 02:35:36 because my neighbours ask me what happened and I am ashamed. I can't sell the house because it is in a Chinese neighbourhood with superstition and no one would want to live there because of the murder. I cannot sleep at night and have constant nightmares about what happened the night we were shot.
Starting point is 02:35:52 I feel panicked all the time, especially when I see a group of young men in the street. I am not racist at all, but black men really scare me if I see them standing in a group. I am in a lot of pain and take medication for pain every day. I have no appetite as food is not pleasurable to me
Starting point is 02:36:08 because I know I would never be able to taste my wife's cooking again. I have no medication for diabetes and high cholesterol as I cannot exercise as it is too painful. My life has totally changed. I tend my wife's grave with my brother and sister-in-law on the anniversary of her death
Starting point is 02:36:24 and on other special holidays and it is so very hard on me to remember how she died and what my life has become. I am a very lonely person and have no one to share my feelings with as my son Felix does not want to talk about what happened and just wants to forget. It is very hard for Felix.
Starting point is 02:36:40 He doesn't want to hear his sister's name and doesn't want to know about what happens in court. Felix has become very separate and is a very different person. He doesn't want to talk about the family and he is very closed down, distant and too sad. He says he doesn't want to remember
Starting point is 02:36:56 and won't look for a job in Toronto because he feels like he has a bad family name because everyone knows about his mother's murder. I hope my daughter Jennifer thinks about what has happened to her family and can become a good and honest person someday. Justice Boswell described the crime as horrific. He said
Starting point is 02:37:17 the circumstances faced by Jennifer's father Han and mother Bikkar were that of stark horror. Those willing to go along with such a plan have very little concern for human life. These were crimes of terrifying violence. All accused were sentenced to life without parole for 25 years
Starting point is 02:37:35 for the first degree murder of Bikkar Pan and the life for the attempted murder of Han Pan. The sentences would run concurrently. The earliest Jennifer Pan will be able to apply for parole is 2035. She will be 48 years old. The judge ended with
Starting point is 02:37:52 she lived a life of deception and they did not deserve the death penalty she imposed on them. This was a business transaction. The commodity death. Eric Cardi wasn't retried. Cardi said he wanted to put an end to Han's suffering by pleading out
Starting point is 02:38:08 to avoid another lengthy trial. He admitted he conspired with the other accused to have Han and Bikkar killed for $10,000. He was sentenced to 18 years in prison to be served concurrently with a 25-year sentence he was already serving for the unrelated murder. It is still unknown who pulled the trigger.
Starting point is 02:38:28 The case was summed up in the Toronto Star by journalist Rosie Domano who said, A mother shot in the head. Her final words a plea that her daughter be spared. A father shot through the eye who miraculously survived his grievous wounds.
Starting point is 02:38:44 For the obsessive love of a man who did not love her back. you

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