Castle Super Beast - CSB 018: The Product That Was Promised

Episode Date: May 21, 2019

Download for Mobile | Podcast Preview | Full Timestamps In order to have a fruitful discussion this week, we had to touch on spoilers for various shows and movies, but we give you a warning before each one so you can skip over it. You can watch us record the podcast live on twitch.tv/castlesuperbeast Outro: Bit Trip Runner Main Menu Promare Anime Film's Long Promo Borderlands 3 and Bloodlines 2 are pulled from Epic Games Store’s big sale The Epic Store stops you buying too many games too quickly Sony announces PlayStation Productions, which will adapt games to TV and film in-house Sony and Microsoft announce partnership for cloud gaming and content streaming solutions Granblue Fantasy: Versus closed beta test ‘Daigo Umehara vs. Fuudo’ gameplay Lords of the Fallen 2 drops developer Defiant Studios Square Enix closes Studio Istolia, cancels Project Prelude Rune FIRST TRAILER FOR WESTWORLD SEASON THREE TAKES US INTO THE FUTURE WORLD JAMES WAN-PRODUCED MORTAL KOMBAT REBOOT GETS 2021 RELEASE

MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC I think the funniest thing about this is that all the like the the bad we're we're going oh we're on We're on oh, we're on right now. This is on so good good when you hear that, you know, it's on Okay, cuz I still heard the music. I thought we're still in the lead up Yeah, oh you sat forward and fucked up your framing. So let me just fix you there I sat forward there you go. You're all right. I asked you problems you were and then you weren't

You're okay. You're okay. You know it. You know it's moving now. You're on a Dutch angle. I'm a Dutch angle You're Dutch Anglin. So I think the funniest thing that's happened all week is that I'm In voice chat with pals watching the Game of Thrones and they're all getting fucking super mad and then like everyone We all have the little round table about how upset everyone is and then I go on Twitter and the first thing I see Is Westworld season 3 announced? Yeah, and I'm just like yeah, oh today is a grand day Yeah, today is the grandest of all days Warning the following program contains spoilers for the final episode of Game of Thrones Are we gonna leave that to the end or do we not even give a shit anymore or at the very least maybe not coherent spoilers?

Just mumbling and grumbling. So by the way, I noises occasional barks and farts I got pseudo caught up. So if you want to do a proper spoiler cast just a little bit I could do it blinks and grumblings and Proper thought collection because just the timing of these anyway, that's my spoiler warning. Okay. That's also my salt warning for if you're living in your tent and enjoying your content you may Eject you're enjoying your consumption of product. Yeah, you may eject now This week might not be for you and I will do my best to give you a kind heads up that You're not going if you liked it

You're not going to like what I have to say woolly. So there you go It sounds like you're going that salty youtuber route to get those clicks Yeah, those clips, you know what my favorite part about that comment is is like we don't work Do do don't don't it's not it's whatever, you know Yeah That Game of Thrones finale happened yesterday, it sure did. Oh, yeah You know what I was really surprised by was that the hard cut montage to it's something Unpredictable, but in the end, it's right. I hope you had the time of your life

Yeah I see all the best memories of seasons one to four Yeah, as you know, like all the fun things are happening and all the kids are growing up in another turning point of fork stuck in the road and you see the dire wolves and Joffrey remember Joffrey. Oh I'm grabs you by the wrist rex where to go. I I thought it was I thought it was I thought it was really crazy when lightning turned to

John snow, that's right lightning and said, you know John snow. We really are the final fantasy 30 I Mean quite frankly the coolest reveal of the entire The entire series and IP for that matter the intellectual property a song of ice and fire Oh, yes, otherwise known as a song of Cersei and fire Yeah, a game of thrones a storm of swords a feast for crows. There's other ones in there Clash of Kings a clash of Kings. That's the one An exposure of balls. Mm-hmm. I really

Was quite impressed with the introduction of a new power that dragons have oh, yeah Dragons have a new power is Dragons have the power to understand Symbolism dude. Oh, man. Did you know I did know that that's fucking sick I did know that right at any point the dragon in the story can kind of like glance off-frame at the plot Or the script and totally understand. Oh, it's a metaphor the meanings of the met Yeah, and then act accordingly Based on the metaphors. It's not just a space animal themes. Oh dragons can attack people and

Themes that's crazy. It's really nuts. That's super nuts imagery. I can't believe it Okay, I mean and you know it's not even the event you always have to break it down because the whole thing I'm not like I said it I don't like at some point I'm gonna put these thoughts into a box and organize them and then do something with that But just as it comes off the top of my head I feel like when you look at a moment like that one in particular and you said you didn't watch it But you just so I'll give a slight back. I don't even care what you saw I'll give a slight backstory for the people at home. I have been all the way off

For like the whole show since season one and then last week after the podcast after Willie said all that vague shit afterwards, I was like Okay, you got to tell me what the name of the podcast means because I don't understand and he told me a bunch of dumb-ass shit And I believe I stamped my foot and yelled that's fucking stupid and left and then Some friends of mine were watching the Game of Thrones and I decided you know what I'll hop and voice it and just ask him Hey, what's going on? And then that led to that and so I heard the I heard about the second to last episode Then the last episode and then said ah fuck it Just tell me all the dumb bullshit and I got told some dumb

Bullshit I'm quite proud of that podcast title from this series. Sorry from this season Quite proud. There is a there is some dumb bullshit that I'm just like, but why just over and over so that's where I'm at I'm just enjoying the ride over so somewhere around the fourth or fifth McQueen You know you are my queen like somewhere around there The you wait for it You always hear the off-screen like cursed ab noise when two people are embracing. Yeah, and you're like yep There we go. There it is. That's that's the dramatic way to kill a loved one Which is how the the chat spoiled it for me last week, but it was almost like a yeah, sure

Yeah, of course, whatever how that's gonna happen. So Instead of a penis and you get this moment where like it's like the the the dragon Senses something is wrong because you know, they're like fucking Psycho glee glee and a space animal. They're you know, they're there. It's it's it's Aiden and magic and Ellen page um and It flies over and it's like what the fuck and then stop this for a second. What's that character's name? From beyond two souls Aiden. No Aiden and

Jody there Yeah, it's tough to remember Anyway, it's powerful. Well, I just Did the the the the moment happens and then the dragons like what's going on here? What is I don't understand them? I'm so upset and you're like yeah, you should be perfect sense And then it breathes in I'm like, oh is it gonna breathe fire on him? But because he's a Targaryen, it's not gonna do anything and then I don't know or or is it gonna yell at the dragon again? Because yelling at dragons is a thing that you do from them. I don't know whatever and then like it just kind of goes um

Raw and it breathes all the fire and it gets mad. I was like, okay Well, it's gonna torch everything because it's super pissed off Yeah, it's really upset, but then it doesn't torch everything it specifically targets the iron throne and melts it and understand It she never got to sit on the chair, which I'm like, they're not gonna let her sit on it They're gonna do the thing where she never gets to and of course they do but it's like it literally just targets the chair like And you're like I can understand that this this human social construct is actually the problem And I mean like that human social contract being represented as a singular item and let's just you take it Let's just package a fact for you. Oh, okay

That's the fact that the the chair was created by the largest dragon that ever lived Yeah for over a century breathing fire on it for 49 days straight. Yeah And just package that and throw it out because it doesn't matter, right? It's irrelevant that a newborn that's been a couple years old just melted it in a couple seconds because whatever it's not even its book Content, it's not only he's really mad, but it's book content It's book content But then it's like except for the scene where like little finger and Varys are sitting down talking about how it went down And they mentioned exactly that fact. Well, he's really mad

Which was also one of those moments where you have those two conversing in the early seasons in season one and you're like Remember when this show when you thought the show is gonna be about the secret power struggles of these two guys behind the scenes Yes, I did right and then you get that fucking awesome quote where they're like if you if everything goes like if things fall apart and the realm And the realm Blah if the rum collapses, it'll be chaos. Yeah, and then little fingers like Chaos is a ladder and then you get that like that whole thing. You're like, yeah, well, it turns out chaos is a ramp Yeah, because it there's a wheelchair accessible That's besides the point

Dragon targets the fucking chair Just melts it and then you're like Okay, I guess Edit and it just we need a new chair Who has a new chair? Let's look to the past. Let's check out the catalog of designs from the past Man, yeah, so here's the thing, right? What this episode actually did was match my expectations

which were incredibly low and It managed to just like it goes we got to wrap things up with a bow Yeah, so let's just wrap. Let's wrap wrap it up with a bow, right? Yeah, and boy some of those wrap-ups seem Knee jerk to me. Well, it's just I mean you have to kind of take the part of your heart Which goes you need to solve this list of like 80 things in a hundred and twenty minutes, right or excuse me? 80 minutes, yeah, and

You kind of have that mode you kind of have that and then it starts and then like you're like, okay we're watching walking and People are gonna be walking for a while and you know what like We're not gonna get around to wrapping up Any of this because the more steps that the more the more steps to Tyrion gets on his Fitbit Yeah, and the more John walks around and looks around with the thousand-yard stare the the less we're gonna get done But you know, you're trying to build up the fact that there's Shitty feelings about I have a feeling that they got to the end of it and had wrote their big plot points and went I

There are two characters in particular where they went. We don't know where to put them We don't know where they should go or do Or be or anything So let's just pick them up off the tabletop map and just go Here now, I mean Bron we've soft confirmed he exists out of fan popularity Yeah, he won the minor character and his scenes exist because people are happy to see Bron Yeah, and he's the master of coins so

Badoom Loves money get it There's no connection Time for punchlines in a moment where every second counts for your wrap-up and it's like It's like like like there's a moment where fucking Edmure stands up and when they're like we got a pick a king And he stands up and is like I Would like to and he hasn't they spend at least a minute Maybe on this joke of this character from the past that you've caught completely forgotten about

Just being like completely worthless and then eventually everyone goes sit down And then he hits his sword and it's all awkward in your hair like a Kind of trombone in the back almost go off because it's such a fart moment and you're like We could have we could have taken a moment to properly Find out what's going on with Yara and the ironborn and what she feels about how Danny did things and so on But let's not do that You know, let's just gloss right over that. Let's not even yeah, whatever. Anyway, there's just Um

The the over the the the weird the weird thing that I'm saying is the argument seems to be I'm really disappointed versus. It's not that bad Like it's it was like The weird like there's always a defense force. There's always a group of people that like like it and want to like it, right? But the the the stance like it always shows to me how bad something has gotten when the the The the people who still like it overall have retreated to It's fine. It's not as bad as you say it is. It's just fine. Just don't just don't freak out It's not that bad. It's not it's not a loss. It's a draw game. Yeah

We just ran the clock. We'll just agree to disagree that it's no okay Which is how you felt when the first season started with those ice zombies and then ended with those fire Dragons and the whole song of ice fire fucking thing was going down because it was so tightly fucking ripped and Understood and the characters and everything was happening in such a coherent way. It was entertaining. I remember how excited you were I do is that how excited you feel now. No, well, yes Yes, but because I'm an asshole look man The kid the the show because we've been with it for so long you feel things for these characters and you're not gonna escape them, you know and like

when I see things like like the way they dealt with Arya and like she Goes off literally on the boat into the horizon for new journey or whatever It's like well, but no, but like yeah, but that to me is like, you know what fine take it. That's your hero's ending, right? We've said it a couple times Hero returns home. Why right after the journey can't quite fit in anymore because they've been changed by the the journey Thus, they're no longer able to so they move but it out. Whatever. We know it. That's totally fine So what so her thing is? Yeah, nothing. We don't know what's going on on the map over there Let's go figure that shit out, right? And you look at the actual map by the way, and it's two continents, right?

and like Westeros is like Imagine Westeros is like is like imagine if the whole story was taking place in Florida. Yeah and Occasionally we flop we we sail over to like Cuba and like maybe one of those Caribbean islands Yeah, and then we just fucking call it, you know and this is the whole world But like the map just goes in all directions And I'm like I remember making jokes about like all foes so like years ago or whatever when there's like this entire Crazy like African continent thing that they don't know anything about. Yeah, um, who knows what's going on

No one knows what's north of north. Yeah, I mean and no one even bothered getting on a boat and heading the other way So like there's a little so whatever anyway, I thought that was fine I thought that was a nice way to deal with her and whatnot and what that what the fuck else? She's she gonna do you know, but um When it just comes down to like and the other thing too is like the We've been saying it over and over but like everyone that worked on this show that was not The writers right D&D who are currently I've I've caught reference People are currently calling them dumb and dumber

Grace yikes. I'll say this man Everyone that worked on this show is pulling their weight Actors are absolutely doing their best. They're performing. They're doing what they can like everyone that's behind like CG and and and like cinematography and The only person everyone's doing it Maybe not the water bottle people. Maybe not them Maybe not maybe not or whoever's supposed to take a quick look over at the set and go hey

That wristwatch and that water bottle that car out of the background think With the exception of those folks the prop people doing that I can't Believe it and you know what again, you know what believe God bless Even those even the CG people when they don't have time and when they see the internet reacting and when HBO Producers hear about how mad people are about the good boy not getting his paths getting his headpats They get to reach back to season four and grab a clip of John snow petting his dog and put it in the finale That's not how that happened is it there is currently more investigation is required But there's a screenshot circling around and we need to find out if it's real or not

But it seems to be the exact shot of John snow petting his dog from season four Except that the dog is now modeled updated with its ear missing and it's darker People are saying that that ain't real. Is that not real? Yes. No, it's not real. No, it's still it's un oh Okay, all right. Well then fine. Well, let's do more research. I'll take the blow-up. I'll take the blow-up That's fine. I remember when he saw him pet the dog and I was like did they add that last night Yeah, because man people were really mad and I was really mad that you didn't let him do it Maybe they didn't I don't know if that's confirmed fake then I will gladly. Okay. I'll take that But

Everybody's doing a good job, you know, what's really funny that all these really super good actors when are asked about there are now So many clips of what I want to say almost every actor on that cast being asked Hey How was the final and they all go we have the one with? Daenerys's actor. It's now down to it's there's no 30 clips by going like There's now 30 we have Jamie's actor going yes, I was a big fan of that we have We have a fucking Peter Dinklage looking like a fucking hostage

I've been my Twitter's been logging every single one of them like now and then it even extends into this ones where there's no video for it it's just articles of Varis and You're on Greyjoy Talking about their characters being like Multidimensional in previous seasons and yeah, like everyone whether it's in written print or or in in like video interviews are like it's all out There the entire cast it's totally fascinating to me By the way, if that fake if that wolf thing is fake as if the chat saying that and you have proof of that

Please tweet it to me so I can confirm that for sure because there's people saying it's not fake It's so it's fascinating to me A lot of movies and we've seen a lot of TV shows disintegrate, but I've never seen like the whole cast Just start to crawl away from it This is what I've been saying for the last two weeks now But this is this is unprecedented because the crawl happened before it ended. Yeah, it's like it was mid-season when people started to go You know and I mean the thing with the thing with a season is that this is takes a month and a half to get through But it's done

It's not like a movie release where it drops and then you have a bad weekend and then you go wolf a month later Like everyone had a solid month and a half of like what is going on? But it was really the last three weeks in particular and like yeah, and that's also when the press junket is flying high because yeah, and it's also when the the interviews that were being done in advance were being like Uh drip drip. We're gonna shoot this episode We're gonna shoot this interview three months ago before it and we're gonna air the interview This is gonna be in between five and six whatever the fuck

So remember during the interview that went to where to what to what to what right? And then they've already and this is probably a couple months after they shot it and They're just like so this means the the interviews that we see of them going or Right are like way in advance of even the whole season airing. Oh, yeah Yeah, so they all they all felt it and you can tell just looking at them like okay Does kit have his short hair and mustache right and shaved and shaved and beard. This is post Yes, this is Amelia like cut hair and like got brown hair right back to normal. Yeah, then it's all in post

you know the deal um the like Like powers Originally a fast travel that we that were earlier described have now been updated To the point where you are fast traveling from not just like location to location across the map but like checkpoints within the city and Gray worm at one point pulls a Watson from the fucking Creepy Sherlock Holmes game appears in different rooms. He

The episode starts with John Snow and get and Tyrion walking down a road And like they're just all glassy eyed at all the bullshit that happened And they walk by and John Snow walks by gray worm wrongfully executing prisoners of war great they get into a little tiff over it sure and Then John walks on because they're like well take it up with the Queen and then he walks all the way through the very nicely shot Armies all standing and yeah, and son like the reader that he walks up to the recently Repopulated armies of the unsullied and the Dothraki who apparently were super dead and then forgot to be dead So now they're back because in between weeks of episodes Danny's been mashing that Dothraki unit button

Training unit ready training. So I spoke to a friend of mine Who was literally saying that in the after episode like interview with with D&D? They're like I can't believe we just saw the end of those armies, and they're all gone only for them to just reappear in their totality later. Well The the the Dothraki forgot that they died you see well, that's a power and and the unsullied forgot that they were sacrificed to Keep the retreat going and to light the motes Okay, you know but anyway, and then further sacrificed in the actual battle on so double

They got they came back twice they like dude the respawn button is just like bup-up-up-up-up-up-up It was nuts reinforcements have arrived it is yeah but it was nicely framed and they were like lining the streets and John walks past them and Passed the horses past the army the whole thing all the way up these really long stairs up to you know where she waits yeah, and Suddenly Grey Worm is right next to her In front of them Despite the fact that they walk there in a straight line

Stride so like they walk away from him slitting throats So unless he immediately turns around and just hoops it got on a horse Right no gets on Drogon, okay, and flew over that but it's a straight line, right? Yeah, so yeah There's no faster way. They wouldn't have seen so he would have had to get on a horse What and then gone like in a semi-circle I promise what you didn't see just like those bottles what you didn't see was the moment the camera Cut to them on the stairs you missed the part where Grey Worm was standing t-post for like a half second And then he goes into his regular his regular stance you missed it, but it was there. I promise you okay

Look man, this sounds great. It was wow, you know sounds great, and I guess like I Really I really do want to emphasize the fact that like you can see it trying to tie the bow Yeah, right you can see it trying to find our mangled finger. Yeah It's using its really decrepit fingers to take the bow and and just do a little bunny ear and call it a day but It has these moments where like you have a beautiful shot of like the dragon covered in snow I've seen that it looks really cool But then but it's not snow because it's not actually snowing. It's supposed to be ash

But snow but ash isn't white right and the vision of like when and when you see them walking earlier in the scene You see them walking through ash, right because the city's all fucking roasted. Yeah, and But by the time they pull up there, it's not it doesn't look like ash It looks like hard white snow flaking down. Yeah, and you're like, are you is it is it winter still? I thought you killed winter. What's it's not a big deal, but it's just unclear and You're the way those soldiers are standing on it. It clearly looks like snow I'm like, I guess John snow is just creating a stand of snow It's listen woolly. I know I've used this this sarcastic tone over the past month

To fuck with you on story contrivances But it started to snow so that the dragon could be covered in snow Yes, and then pull out of out of the snow and have a cool moment Yeah, like and the fact that like the the the the the more my sarcasm hits reality The stupid or the thing we're talking about it right so I and I'm willing to fully take the fact that for the sake of having beautiful Cinematography it it was snow Yeah, but it just doesn't make sense that it snows in one area of the city But when you cut back to them walking in from the outside of the city, it's a bright sunny day

Well, that means what like if it started snowing during the battle or if it started snowing after the battle Listen, that's fine with and if you even wanted to say that it snowed This episode, but it didn't snow last episode because that's fine, too But but but why would it happen in one place? listen man like Climate in Westeros is all fuck call it crazy talk if you want chat. I'm I literally don't know no No, no, they're talking about my ability to sarcastically whatever fine, but like I have a different question Wouldn't a being that breathes fire on a big deal either way radiate just a shit ton of heat

Would that thing even be able to fucking beat? No, because magic Oh, it's it's magic fire dragon fire is better than real fire. Oh, yeah Yeah, okay. Yeah dragon fire and real fire are different. So I'd like to make a complaint about the show because after getting caught up with the broad strokes of the last season and Somebody who was looking forward to watch this show in the future All I can think about and I know these complaints are somewhat old because they deal with the ice ice people

Whatever is that they have the whole last season backwards They did everything in the wrong order Are you repeating back to me the things I said yes week? Yes, I am seem to be spending I seem to be using this episode to echo back to me the things I threw out seven days ago I didn't understand what you were talking about then now. I do so when I say So he should have done these in reverse So, you know when I make the joke that says a song of Cersei and fire. Yes, do you understand why very much now? No that and that seems

And I you know I got walked through the events of how that got wrapped up and how stupid that is All I can think of is that everyone would be happy if you literally just okay You know how we order our YouTube playlists when it's on manual. Yep, you just grab the last episode and Just drag it up to number three And then just take the second the last one and then drag it up and then it's fine The the it's fine So a big part of the problems come from the the the cascading failures Yes, that arise when you deal with the real threat first. Yeah, right a large part of why three was so upsetting was because

there's no purpose to so much of what has happened if you decide to put politics before the real problem and um You know the show expressly tells you like I said through characters looking at the camera and Telling you don't think about it. Don't worry about it. It will bring you no pleasure to think of these things Mm-hmm They straight up say stop thinking about everything that happened to get you here. Just focus on what the fuck is happening now and And and and you get like the these characters that exist entirely to warn the world about the true threat Yeah

Having the true threat get killed. What are they supposed to do? So they have nothing left to do except bumble around I mean, I just I feel like I'm just repeating it over and over again Oh, yeah, but this is why we start we have nothing for these characters to do their existence It's kind of pointless now and it's not to say that like they couldn't have some sort of resolution but by putting this job is over they did it game of fucking politics game of thrones by By actually making that the priority and literally the last thing you see in the intro is the throne going up and going Because it wants to show you that that's what it's all leading up to you just undermine

Everything the story's been trying to yell at you for the last I want to say seven seasons But it's actually more like five and a half as somebody who watched season one and read the first book the first scene is About the problem like I said the very first thing and in the thing is about the problem And and like you know and the last scene of the first season is the counter to that Yeah, right and also and don't forget to the fucking comet that goes by that's like yo That only shows up when shit's going down Yeah, right and they don't have to play off of that too much more but it there was a relevance to this

Well, you beat Final Fantasy 10 sure remember when you got to the final thing and you went Big ass like number two problem on the planet done Right Move through the dungeon number one problem in the world that should not be dealt with done Some fucking bug I

guess yeah Like like just all that moment. I really like Final Fantasy 10, but all the momentum just fucking Drains out of itself now the thing is is that like as much of a colossal fuck-up as that is You know the gigabotch The the fact that you've committed to it and we had a couple weeks to watch that play out Means that we almost we were able to think through that and go okay, okay, okay? We've decided to pick the The chaos path right we've picked the choice. We're going down the shit road, right boots

ankle deep in feces Let's see where this goes you can still steer it and the problem is that everything after that point Continues to be worse like there's ways to pick the bad path, but still get the better version of it But you can but like you it all like it's like you stopped thinking about each choice after that point I genuinely thought that if the way like from what I was hearing That the way that the story was gonna end with this season was going to be a cataclysmic world ending loss

with like three characters alive that just leave and I feel like that would be the most downer ending ever But it would be totally appropriate and people would be really happy with it like there's literally hints in the book about the fact that like To create the sword that's strong enough to I don't want to get into it But to get to sort of strong enough to fucking deal with the Night King You got to literally stab it through the heart of the person you love

Wildness right, but that's not the point the point is is there's some things that I get that like what kind of bugs me in terms of like the the the the resistance right some of the the defense force in in this case is When people are kind of going like you guys are just mad because like you don't like sad endings and you're upset that like You know things like oh like Danny went bad or whatever and you're just what and it's just a really strong man Wait, it is the worst version ever which is because there are people who are real I had an ex once that said berserk was the worst thing ever Oh, we told what we have we have a friend right we know yeah We yeah, it was just like berserk's the worst thing ever because I got to the anime and it was a horrible things happen to the characters

I had felt really strongly about it made me sad. Thus. It's bad So those people are real. Yes, but their reality does not mean that everyone who dislikes something Does likes it because bad things happen? I have fought on the side of you can't say that you don't understand Though I have fought on the side of people of trying to explain to people that sad things happening doesn't equal bad media Yeah, sometimes it means great So anyone who is using that now is clearly not understanding the actual complaints Especially when like the the the stuff I was just talking about doesn't seem to be an uncommon Feeling of like people would have been fine with a the most downer shit ever

So here's and the fact that yeah Yeah, so one of the funny things that like me and stuff we're talking about is like the overall sentiment that people like us are getting bummed Out because characters we love didn't die Right Literally like I'm like, oh god damn it Brands still alive And now we have to watch her cry over a dude that she hooked up with instead of like go out like a night. Yeah, you know Anyway, so it would have been really cool if Tyrion was the one to kill the dragon So when you swerve off of the died

So when you swerve off of the path of like your pride what your priorities should be right two things come to mind Or I'm like, okay fuck. We've steered off of the best ending, right? We're no longer heading towards that Oh, so what can we do with what we have? Well, there's two things one The whole George RR Martin being a fan of Lord of the Rings thing means that like yeah the the rap The wrap-up is to be compared to the scouring of the Shire Right and it's to be meant to be like almost an afterthought after dealing with the real shit Yeah, that's not the way this played out because they got equal importance and in fact the battle got like the battle of Winterfell got one episode and this build-up got the the the full fucking three and

You know like they were given equal importance and framed it as like we won the battle But now the final battle and it just it's it builds it up so that the Night King didn't matter the intro Shows you the Night King's march through the wall in terms of the tiles of the floor turning to ice And they literally just stop at Winterfell and it's like oops that I guess nothing mattered no big deal Nothing whatever so we're off that good path and we're on the we're on the medium to bad ending route And you're going all right So two things one if you wanted it to be an afterthought type of moment That's fine and two and this is really important, right?

The idea of Daenerys Targaryen turning bad or at the very least becoming someone that The good that the remaining characters do not align morally with yes, right? Someone who is Using her determination and her point of view to do what she still thinks is the right choice And but that ideologically clashes with characters, but it's not compatible with the people that her currently I'll set up from like the first episode of the first whatever right horse. That's consistent you it would be

Fantastic to have that happen right there is absolutely nothing wrong with a version of this where she fucking Completely just does her own thing at the behest of their advice and whatever She's like, I don't care. I'm doing this my way because this is the way I see it Yeah, blood and fire. That's my that's how we do it Like there's nothing wrong with that as a chosen path. Totally, but you have to show how we get there, right? similarly and less good You Can also do it in the opposite way where you go all right the ending version of her has to be the Mad Queen

Evil we want her to be the one that we saw on the steps. No remorse in her eyes saying we have to liberate Winterfell and it's like but we just left we're good. We're what are you talking about? Yeah, right the person is she's like giving a speech that's basically meant to be like we're gonna fight forever fight forever Yeah Right, you're looking at that kind of character and you're going we can get there But show us how we get there ideally it's got to be a little bit more than my best friend's head got cut off Ideally there should have been one or two instances per season that

Nudged it about five percent and then the character would be Five percent more on hinge those happen right and they call that out by having Tyrion literally tell you you watched this happen Every season right because she burnt someone horribly every season That the people she was burning were pretty evil people. Yeah up until now it has not been women and children Sure, so that's where you need to take the slider on her personality and go like either The world moved or she moved and it's fine, but you can't click it from zero to eight You have to slide it over and so you're saying you're saying the events happen But her her personality does not appear to change

Just it's just you it was all normal until a breaking point. It was all good just a week ago. Okay, that's terrible You should have seen that character by the sixth or seventh Making people freaked out because they're acting weird like like the breakdown the build-up to her being this fucking like Ruthless Existed and every season and was there but the but the build-up to her seeing Everything that she hated with the red keep and Cersei and instead breaking left to burn Innocent people and target them

Specifically and not go after the thing the object of her ire of her hatred But it's a waste time Sweeping through the streets to get every nook and cranny. Is that a baby back there? Is that a baby crying? All right, we got it Like like literally taking extra time to burn innocent people that person only existed when we saw her Jealous at the celebration party for the Night King where she's like everyone loves John snow But all my friends don't are not I don't have friends here Yeah, and then he and then to she gets turned down so she doesn't get the dick

Yeah, no dick no snow dick and then three her friends head gets cut off And then we see her with the sunken eyes where she's all like she hasn't eaten for days and she's super whatever And you kind of saw that kind of like yeah, they they made it look like she was gonna be this like like Shriveled kind of fucked up version of herself, but she kind of goes back to being fine in the next scene Oh, okay. Yes. Yeah, but they basically had three moments to show you she's losing her mind and it's like no No, you don't make that jump. You know the person you built us to is the one who? Would like burn everything in a straight line to Cersei. Yeah, totally And if you're in her way too fucking bad, right and yes, even if I heard the bells fuck her

I'm not taking prisoners. Yeah, right That's that's who you built up to over the season one So the way that you would do this is that you would have you have to show When you show a character go or break bad so speak, right? Unique like let's take Walter white, right? Walter doesn't jump straight to mass murder He uh-oh. I accidentally killed the guy Now I got to get rid of it. Okay, maybe I tried to kill a guy, but I didn't manage it

Okay, now I did kill someone now like there's there's a there's a there's a ramp There's a curve here, right? So if you're talking about somebody if you want to justify a story in which I'm just gonna burn it all down I don't give a shit you need at least one smaller incident where they totally break from reality and go I'm gonna kill or burn or whatever This much smaller microcosm of the situation, right? so you need to like and You get those you get those okay?

So what's you get the problem is like I said you get those in cases where it's not morally dubious Okay, because the first that's what I'm talking about you need a situation where say there's I'm making shit up, right? But say there's some asshole that she don't like and that guy's bad. Yeah, right? Yeah, and she burned him Ah, he burned. Yeah, right? You need to have a moment where to show that like say let's say season five Let's say starting to become a little slight and his whole family too and everybody goes what? Why? Goes well cuz okay, so and then they and she burns him and everyone's like yeah You get one of those okay because you get Sam's family where?

They basically go all right his army surrenders The lead but like the the the army leader, which is the the fucking head of house Tarley Yeah, it's fucking roasted all right And then his son gets it too and he son could have survived but she just she did them both in yeah And Tyrion was like oh, what about the mercy though, and she's like fuck them. They fought me Yeah, you know but like no, I'm talking people that are unrelated, but this is this is it I'm talking like when I say the family. I mean like grandma on the corner not doing shit I mean it had to be like you need to have moments in which

Everyone around the character goes not I don't really agree with that that wasn't the best thing to do They go why did you even do that? That why and then the responses cuz fuck them and it's like tinge with Whatever right so her whole thing is anyone that chooses not to bend the knee well then you get it And that's how that goes and so it's just you can you can it's like you it's Both versions of the character whether the one we were building up to or the one we got Would have worked as long as the treat this the transition was seamless Yeah, but you needed more time and more events to do that slash more episodes

But you also chose to cut this at no HP. I wanted the longer season. Yeah, and usually I'm always about that brevity Right, I'm always about that ending you're right But here this is a case where they're like, I don't know Maybe they're just like we want to get on to our thing about the about the Civil War not ending or we want to get on To Star Wars or who knows I don't know I can't tell you what D&D wanted But yeah, this could have dealt with a bit more than six especially to get to all these places for with these characters It could have had like, you know Not just her build up

But like like John's entire fucking like there's so many moments where you're kind of like we Needed to see the conversation. We probably should have seen the conversation where he breaks the truth to his sisters We probably should have seen what she was do what that never comes up He starts they cut away. They cut away mid conversation. No, that's really a big deal. They literally you've been it's the whole Yeah, they just hard cut We really would have benefited from seeing what was Danny up to on the back of that drag Like what was she go was she crying what she was doing it? Was she just missy fist she made? She had this great moment where you saw her face go off and do it

But it's almost like like and then she's gone for but you almost want to see how she processes the whole thing Yeah, you just hard cut to her later being like not I'm already gone It's nuts. Whatever because if you had like it like you could soften even the Ridiculous switchover if you had a shot of her on the dragon like muttering or herself about how they were all in on it And how like burn them all burn them all burn them all like her dad. Yeah Even then you know but regardless whatever so blah right macro details and you can you can fuck up your macro details But then you start seeing the micro fuck ups and then you're like oh god, okay So, you know, we see Jamie and fucking Cersei get like. Oh, this is one of my this is my favorite thing and you go

All right, that's how that went and then Tyrion walks by later on and finds him and you go that wasn't That looked so much more catastrophic When it fell on them, it looks like the the entire ceiling the entire ceiling collapsed. No But then you find a couple of rocks It was just the castle and you dust them aside like you're looking for dino prints And then you just kind of see that it was maybe a like two layers of brick Which you know that could have been fine and I was almost thinking in my head I'm like I would have ran into the dragon skull. I would have just hit out

You know what the goofiest thing about that is I actually have been thinking about that and I think the problem is is They write Tyrion has to find them after the fucking castle collapses on them, right? But since Peter Dinklage is a tiny guy there can only be so much actual rubble for him to remove So they it has to be Just a couple bricks. He's walking cleanly through the area They were in right with one layer of dust underneath his boot Yeah, and then the one spot of mountain of the one spot of rubble They find is exactly where it's targeted on them and it's like yeah, yeah

Yes, you have to have him find them, but it still doesn't make logic, you know It's just you just it does you just what? But you don't think about it. It's fine, right, but it's just the little things um The the the fucking contrivances the contrivances the contrivances you have to create when Grey Worm who's now Super fucking pissed at everything and everyone because the entire raison d'être that he has is gone And his girl's gone and his army's here and no one knows what the fuck and he's like why did we what is any of all of this? and

Should be in a position to just start fucking going to war or at the very least Like it doesn't make sense that he would like march out Terri it and be like you can't talk and Terri is like I'm gonna talk anyway. He's like, okay Okay, you know and then agree to the rules that these foreign people in this foreign land They've just conquered like our setting To the point where they're like we're gonna send John Snow to the wall and that'll be fine and like He's okay with that and it's like fine. We'll take you on your word We're getting on why and we're getting on this boat and we're leaving so you could never ever

ever confirm that That that you actually did what you said, but I hope you learned your lesson And then the unsullied get on their boat and literally fuck off to naff and you're like Really really you're gonna hang on to this guy for two weeks and then drag him out here to try and do some kind of Botch negotiation You wouldn't just slit his throat immediately the both of them Especially after you fucking found that she your queen got stabbed like his eye the way he handled that made no sense in terms of Just like where his mental state would be at and where his the people would be at like it would just be a fucking cluster fuck of

of a Civil war for the throne, right and even the fact that they're like, okay We're gonna sit and we're gonna talk about it and have this little discussion Well, we'll leave they had that happen. They need to have more episodes We're now this little discussion and you know what? We have no time so we gotta sort it out Everyone's gonna have a little moment where we joke about voting and then ha ha ha. Okay, great. That didn't mean anything and

Then like they go cool So everyone agrees we're gonna do it with brand and I'm like I was like, yeah, it's gonna be brand what the fuck else does he exist for Right, there's no other point to this character and isn't he magic the moment. Yes. He's magic He is he has the the dream again. So the moment you see him sitting there. You're my good Of course, he's gonna be the king whatever. That's fine. But when Cersei not Cersei when Sansa who Is sitting there is like, yeah, I'm a just I'm a let y'all finish and it's cool that you want my brother to be king

but I'm a hold the north dough because I want it and It's like but there's no real your brother is the guy in charge of you got to start in you you're in Yeah, but I want it though You but you but you just ask brand and he'll be like, yeah, cool No, but I want it though, but but I want it though But and then you're like seconds just ask and then everyone's like, okay, I guess she wants it So she gets it. That's fine. Queen of the north

and Then we hard cut that you watch as the as Dorn and The fucking ironborn Yara just go. Yeah, all right. Yeah, that's fine The two other countries one of which has been independent longer than the north has that are the most angry about being a part of the seven kingdoms Yeah, are just super fine watching one of them secede and then the rest or them and they're like no We're gonna chill. We're gonna stay like it's insane to think that they would agree to that with no problem You know or that fucking weirdo kid that's been sucking on his mom's milk for like till he was 12 or whatever around He's not only is it round. He's got some bass in his voice. What he fucking grew up

That's weird and he's sitting there laughing at everyone's expense at the joy at the voting jokes and whatnot, you know And he's like, haha voting is silly and it's like that kid your mom's telling you how you mouth It's wild. It's wild so you get that kind of nonsense going on or like characters are not behaving in the way you would think they would So what you're describing is especially weird in a story in which the entire like the they They fucking swerved to a story that was all about petty squabbles over a chair only for The pet the everyone's pettiness to suddenly evaporate once a big event happened And if almost poetic the scene that follows immediately after what the one I'm describing shows you Tyrion

Petally arranging chairs That are then disrupted as characters come in and ignore his placement of them And it's almost like again some sort of joke moment that they were going for that didn't really land I don't know but they Spend again like three or four minutes of closing closing game of thrones with Tyrion just arranging some chairs and then They they set it all up. They show you the book and he's not in it and Brienne writes the thing about Jamie And that's cool. She gets to be the what at the thing and and and and then it cuts out and then it basically just shows you what I'm gonna interpret as

John going north Finding his finding ghost and seeing the wildlings and then they go beyond the wall and he marches into the distance with them I'm interpreting that final shot as John is now the king beyond the wall right even though He technically never really lost his claim to the throne Like he did the thing that he was told to do and he stabbed and he did it But he's still technically got the claim and he doesn't want it. I don't want it He's he's got he's got he still has his claim and

Sansa really could Sansa is basically the fucking Baby, baby, the youngest Baratheon kid going yeah, but I'm I want it though I think I'd be way better at it is Is her reason to be the queen in the north versus John who still is actively the king of the north and they're just kind of Letting it rock so that's fine What the fuck ever man at the end of the day we move on we we we drizzle out and hey Arya gets to sail into the distance and we'll take that I suppose it fine

This sounds like a big old pile of shit eight years dude 74 hours don't worry the books will come out and fix everything September hard confirmed What's that September? Apparently the books are confirmed for September both Let me get some details on that not both at least the next one He said the night he said the other one isn't yeah Sixth book just got announced for September of this year. It's full of shit. He was out there Fucking last hold on week hold on wait. Hold on. Let's see if this is real

Let me Google it. I might have gotten lied to everyone's laughing at you chatter. Did you lie to me? Did you lie to me chatter you got fucking I think I got fucking I think I got night man I got got by a fucking I patch wolf. I'll tell you. Oh, yeah, he got everybody. Yeah, dude Don't worry Where they're gonna put them out in a fucking collector set it's gonna be all seven books and the remaining two volumes of Berserk and Fucking fagabond and they're all gonna be there together in one big book series And you're gonna read them and they're all gonna be great. They're all gonna be super good. Awesome. No confirmation on that news

I got lied to cheers brah Anyway, it's all gonna be there Dunno, it's gonna be it's gonna be really nuts cuz cuz guts right is gonna fly in on his on his on Zod And he's gonna kill the Night King Oh, I said it before and I'm and I'm really gonna say it again because now it's hard locked and confirmed that I'm really really sad about the fact that Like I don't think I can actually make the recommendation to people. Yeah, that Bums me the fuck out

BSG and Dexter, but I so I brought up like hey apparently Dexter ended really bad to a friend of mine who watched it. He's like They they're like torn as to like which is actually worse here and like it's funny because There's there's a genuine feeling and it's an interesting argument to me, which is Just because it ended badly Doesn't mean that the enjoyment that you had in the lead-up was for naught and that's true Right the enjoyment that you had season one two three four which everybody seems to agree is great Right that didn't that doesn't go away, right?

but That's ignoring the fact that the last thing that you deal with in a work is Gonna be the most powerful thing that you remember about it, and it's gonna color all of those memories It's gonna it's gonna be the takeaway that you use is so a my takeaway from the wire the last season It's like eight instead of a ten bordering on eleven, right? It's kind of a letdown still great Still great the thing with the serial killer was a little far-fetched, but still great I still I always think I think of season one when I think of the wire every time I think season two

I think of that and or I think of that couch out in the fucking in the yard. Yeah, I think I think of I Think of I think a zig fucking losing a can sure sure and I think I think of presbo Freezing in place when that girl's face gets cut. Okay, right? But like I know and I think about where's Wallace Also prop Joe just existing oh Prop Joe's the best character in the wire the fuck you wearing that suit Like any degrees out here, and you walk around even in the fucking clipboard it's got fake court board oh Prop Joe's the best character in the wire. Oh what a good show. I

Right, I think a breaking bad fucking Ozzy Mandeus. Wow. That's the shit. That's an amazing ending, right? So on and so forth when I think of BSG which is my personal journey with this that nobody else was on apparently I Think all I can think about now is how bad the ending is and how how the characters that I cared about all like For nothing like it's fucking point. Yeah, the problem is whether or not the show is an easy watch. Yeah, right? So When I like you can't game of thrones is not an easy watch. It takes you have to actually pay attention It's an act of watch. It's an act of watch. You're sitting down. You're involved. You're not really doing

It's like I would say it's like breaking bad or like the wire It's like no put your fucking eyeballs open, but here's the thing though. Not everything's like that Sopranos is actually an easy watch. It's pretty chill. It's pretty chill. Yeah. Yeah surprisingly, right um Something about there's certain shows that just are like there's just more to track than others Yeah, and at any given moment Okay, I'm throwing a check and a map for fuck's sake and at any given moment Sopranos you're tracking the episode It's in and occasionally a couple of branching points, but most of them put the most part big Tony's mad about some something happening in that episode

Yeah, right In this case if you were to tell people go back check it out Yeah, if you give them the forewarning that it's gonna fall apart and then they still want to commit to it That's fine, but I feel like I would rather recommend something that just doesn't fall apart on them Right that they'll come away feeling good. So why would I go to this and 70 hours and be like this was a good use of my Time I'm really happy how that worked out I feel Joyful that I was able to enjoy a work of media that I feel like broadened my horizons of story whatever blah blah blah blah, right?

Like yeah, no totally I like and I'm torn because if it was And here's where here's where the Game of Thrones situation is actually I feel somewhat unique, right? Game of thru like so you look at BSG in the final final fucking seasons really bad But the final episode is the fucking breaking point the final episode is where it goes from like kind of bad to like this is terrible Right Game of Thrones. I heard people complaining about the entire fucking season Right because when you have the bad last episode, you know what you can do You can just say you know what should have happened and Fix it

Right and go yeah that last episode sucked But they could have done this this this and this with Game of Thrones You have to do that for a whole fucking season, but what who but honestly honestly based on expectations like The the the turnaround to me was the Battle of Winterfell. It was episode three through the season It was it was 803. Okay, right 801 and 802 Yeah, you're setting things up. I guess and I it's whatever. It's fine. I I'm going to see where you're going with this That's that that's the feeling of what you're watching. It's the setting the table episodes

Yeah, right you kind of give setting the table episodes more leeway based on the plate that follows totally absolutely So that's how those two go, you know And you understand that Danny falling in love with John in the course of a fucking God it was so fast, but like they had to they rushed it getting like you you feel it and Harrington's very attractive You feel the speed of that and you go it's kind of fast, but okay He's got that. Oh, he's got those baby eyes the chicks go nuts for yeah, it's a very pretty man. Yeah, so You know, there you go and also as we've established there's a genetic component that fueled that Yeah, there. Yeah, that's a thing the she could smell it smell it smell the Targaryen and I smell it right in there

Yeah, mmm smoky, you know out with a whimper not with a bang and You know it's onward to greater projects, so I would like to go I would like to bring up and don't worry I'm gonna mention a movie. I'm going to do absolutely nothing about talk about its details Just its tone, but people who talk about how Downer endings are please stop talking about Game of Thrones. No, no continue down our endings You know, that's why people will get upset. There's a lot of people who really really enjoy me included Stephen King adaptation called the mist. Yeah, right. Yeah, the mist has the most depressing ending of anything

I have ever heard of it is The rawest meanest cruelest ending for a story ever Mm-hmm, and it makes that whole story great like the story is pretty good And then you get there and you're like I Like I can't like it it damages you okay as a person, right? That's the only reason people care about that fucking movie if it if that movie ended like a horror movie It no one would give a shit about it or talk about it at all. Yeah, right

I mean, I'm kind of thinking of like I'm not Shyamalan movies where at least of the ones I've seen like It's like if you remove the twist it just becomes a waste of your time. Yes, like it's just kind of boring There was nothing here until your shaman stuff is especially as like it's the mystery. What is it? What could it be? Oh, uh-huh, and then I said, oh, it's stupid and that's that's what killed his career He's still a decent director in some cases, right, but the whole thing a fucking six cents It's like well, what's what's really going on and then the revelation is like, oh, that's really cool that recontextualizes the story Yeah, it makes it more interesting. It makes it more interesting. Yeah, it's all the way to the happening like oh, man This is really crazy set up. What could be oh, that's stupid. That's fucking dumb. Yeah

I something comes to mind. I saw some would ask the basically going like where was all this because I pointed out the fact that That Fucking what's his name that one of that? David I believe Was also the writer on X-Men Origins Wolverine Yeah And yes, we all know that the Star Wars is gonna be lit

I think yeah, and we all and and yes, like we all have extensive details on how That fuck face over at Fox ruined all hero movies and whatnot for a full a full decade Yeah, out of spite. So we all know we all know but he still wrote that script. He still wrote it and That's there and I kind of like Remember, I like someone was like where was all this like hatred for D&D back when you were enjoying the show and That's the stupidest question and I had to Stupidest real back and really sit and think about like I Don't where's the hate? Where's the hatred for your school bully before he started pantsing you?

Like um, I was enjoying the product Where is the hatred for the chef before you got to the fucking barf at the bottom of your soup? You know like before you found the turd floating in your in your fault Where's the hatred for your neighbor before he started having his dog shit on your lawn? Yeah, and it's not like what a stupid question and it turns out the chef was following the recipe that That the better chef told him to the tea But then at the last second decided to like I want to put my own spin on this my own spear

Yeah, I want to make my mark and he squatted over the pot And I'm like well this is my mark the soup was good soup because he learned from a really good Soup maker how to make good soup and then I found the problem at the end and then I they didn't like it What that is a laughable? How does your brain work? This time? Like is time a concept no in your understanding of things Anyway, so there are people who view the past as a singular of time. Yeah, which is really bizarre. Yeah Yeah, well For YouTube clip purposes, let's cut it here

How is your week I was pretty good Let's see Did I do anything fascinating? I wouldn't say so I had some fun times at the epic store, which we'll talk about later Gravity Falls was so good gravity falls ended with a big old thumbs up What a fucking good show a good show tight just tight top to bottom I was watching weird mcgetten re reruns the other day really good And I was like man They're calling back to all this little fun shit that didn't matter at the fucking gnomes and they're making it matter in this little like

three-part ending and You built up stuff that was a red herring But you never put so much stock in it that the fact that the symbols were there were really a huge deal to begin with Yeah, and like You had just and then you fuck with that and it was and everyone every character got to do what was the essence of what they Represented, but they were really fun while doing it. It was a good time. You know Ah, it's good

Tight man was really good kept it tight go on so Will they bear with me This is gonna be something you struggle with I apologize in advance so I felt lost and I wanted to play I for some reason A few weeks ago. I was like, I want to play scar and then I played scar for a couple hours

Then stopped playing scar. I'm like you do And then some comment went and you might as well just play out of the scrolls online at this fucking point and I went Other scrolls online is like old now Should I check that out? It's buy to play Which I remember you having the most wonderful reaction to when I told you that phrase of four or five years ago

Ah, you almost got me. You thought I thought this was f2p. Turns out it was b2p I do you just stared at me. You stared at me because you didn't understand what I was saying It's like, yeah, it's an mmo. Which is buy to play Uh Fucked around with it for a couple hours I guess it's fine There's nothing really that that hooked me at all whatsoever It looks kind of bad. It controls kind of okay

It's got it's missing like a like a Unbelievable amount of interface stuff that I feel like maybe I've taken for granted But the world's really big and I wondered about it for a couple I went Nah I just no I gave it a shot It's like I find that very depressing because I like when I when I see a game like that and I'm like Is there something here people seem to like it and I go and futz with it

I didn't even really come away with a better understanding I guess I guess there's just more appeals to other people about wondering that big thing which I thought I was interested in And then I realized and watched a bunch of shadowbringers trailers and now I'm way Back in on 14. I've been far away from 14 for about a year now What is and I'm back. What is the best game in the elder scroll series? There's three answers to that question Because they all play completely they all play very differently the best one overall

If you can tolerate how old it is is more wind I don't even like more wind and I can see that it's the best one. Okay Oblivion has probably all the best quests in the series And scarms the easiest junk food one to play and has a fairly Approachable and interesting setting so only the first person ones They're all first person. What about the old elder scrolls games first person really? Yeah, even and they look like junk Wasn't there one that was isometric? I remember one of my and I remember the only knowledge I had

Was seeing someone play an old elder scrolls game at one point and I thought it was isometric you I'm looking down it. I'm looking down chat You probably think it a fallout You probably got the fallout series can no it was fantasy. It wasn't fall out. It was fantasy But I really thought it was okay. Nobody knows what you're talking about. All right. I don't know what you're talking about. All right Um, but yeah, so they were always they're all first person Later on they gave the I think in more when they give you the ability to hit a button and see your character from third person Nobody plays the games like that because it controls and looks like dog shit. Okay. No, I didn't think it was I didn't think it was Baldur's gate

Or Diablo because I remember Baldur's gate by the the hide with the two orbs. That's Diablo. Okay. Well, there you go I think I think yeah, I think the favorite. I don't I don't know anything So hey, let's I'm gonna take a slight tangent here because I've I've gone on a spiel about this about how game genres are terrible Right I've I've said how game game genres in sorry. Sorry movies genres are tone, right? Game genres are mechanical or even perspective, right? And here's where it gets really confusing because I'm gonna laugh myself silly when woolly cannot this this is like

Since I played bg2 so four years running You cannot at a visual glance Tell the difference between Baldur's gate and Diablo Despite the fact that they are both classified as western rpgs and are totally different In every way because the camera is the same I am going on screenshots from magazines from over a decade ago. But what I mean is like I I never bothered I never even stepped foot in that territory. You could look at a horror movie and tell from a trailer at a glance Yeah, it's a horror movie

If you were to look at the pillars trailer and the Diablo 3 trailer and you did not have any history about that you might actually have difficulty Telling that those games are wildly mechanically tonally etc apart because they're both fantasy games They both have the exact same perspective They have what appears to be the same gameplay which is clicking around and stuff like that. It's weird game genres suck They're terrible Um, what the fuck was I talking about? Yeah, we're talking about Elder Scrolls all being first person yet Uh, so yes, I'm just I'm back in 14. I hopped on on saturday Played with some friends did some shit got a dog. I saw someone showed me their virgil

They made in 14 You can make a lot of shit in that game and just way back in and just back wasn't virginal enough But back back to leveling up alts and being like, yeah, this is a good game that makes me very happy Yay That's it I guess it's nice to know that like there will always be something that you can Return to that'll probably have a new shit going on. Yeah Because mmo's by nature have that sort of it's really weird because and and I guess warframe

So I actually would like to talk about that cycle But mmo's are weird because it used to be you know, you probably remember this just from knowing people in the industry and listening Before wow There was ever quest and before ever quest there was ultimate online ultimate online And ultimate online seemed like it was gonna be fucking forever And ever quest seemed like it was gonna be fucking forever and runescape seemed like it was gonna be fucking forever and guess what? They are I got people playing runescape right now on my friend's list klebs put out a fucking runescape video

I know there's people fucking around and ultimate online Right and ever quest servers are still ongoing Then a wow came out Now wow is actually forever we're going on 15 years and not only is wow forever. It's so bad They're restarting it and it is the most popular thing in the world right now. There's a guy streaming on twitch

I think right now to 50k plus Because it's wow classic the game from 13 fucking years ago Well, yeah, because now you're also kicking in You've explained this to me before but like you're there's I guess I can I understand the appeal to being like simple nostalgia Yeah, you know, you know what the really you know, it's the most depressing thing about wow classic People going back to it going. Wow. This is like a totally different game. This game is really good People that in some cases didn't play wow classic

They only got in later and like that's I can there are a few genres in which you can make the game Permanently worse when you go back to the world warriors. No one feels like they missed out That's a great game They're there all eight. Yeah, they're all right there So you look at mmo's and once they had a certain level of stability Yeah, they're kind of forever

ff 11 doesn't get new stuff But it's been running for years after not getting any new stuff And there's still a couple hundred thousand people playing ff 11 There's no real reason to kick it. So I got a buddy of mine his dad played ff 11 in his youth the way that I play 14 now Goes back and fucks around with it now and then it goes. Oh, yes. No, that's over there So, yeah And then there's then there's the thing that I described you said I have that forever thing warframe is also it's not it's an mmo

It's not an mmo. What the fuck is that it's weird, right? That's a weird thing, but it has also hit a certain level of stability and once you look at it and go Yeah, it'll it'll dwindle in popularity. I'm sure at some point But is it gonna go away? like actually Probably not that like you can look at a game like warframe and go that's got 10 years on it. Yep That's weird fighting games don't even get that

And that's the genre you would think that it would get it the most because The final you know the final version of fighting game like that. It's complete. It's done Yeah, there's I mean there's resurgences and there's there's groups of of people that support and like Hold on to a particular game And like to not let it die type of thing, but yeah for the most part you don't have this sort of like Dev side support keeping it alive. Yeah, so like I stopped playing Final Fantasy

since patch 4.3 Actively right log in to do the story quest when they come out with the new patch That was like six seven months ago. So more or less. I've been out for half a year, right? Come right back in There oh, hey look shadow bringers is coming out end of june. That's gonna be really fun And Then I might fall off again

and I've noticed That I'm in a cycle in which I play warframe Really intensely for three or four months Burn out Play all sorts of other shit Go back to final fantasy

Play really intensely like three or four months Burn out Do a bunch of other shit Go back to warframe and so on and so forth and at some point they make an announcement for Whatever and you go. Okay. Well next time I'm monster hunter new monster hunters coming out So next time you have a gap in like things. You're actually interested in looking at go back to one of the other fall back to There's there's the the what I would call the I used a term for this back when I so I started playing your methadone games

I started playing ff 14 before heavensward came out So I want to say like four or five years ago And it was like a week after my birthday because I was really bored start playing on like april 28th 2014 I want to say And I looked at it and it was big and super huge and I went if I really like this I would like this to be a forever game. I would like this to be a nice comfy little security blanket But I go There's nothing I really want to play

I'm kind of bored Why not just hop back into the old aorzea and go fuck around and so far it's done an admirable job on that Um, but what's more interesting to me is that the way that I burn out is because those two games The most extreme design principles. I've ever seen from any game in a genre. So they're both I don't want to call them loot games, but they're both progression games Right, you you build a character. You get the thing you get the item you get the frame you get the levels whatever You make the number go big. Let's just call them number go big games say the word Which is the word

Looters salute it. No, they're not like warframes are salute her but The fall fancies at MMO, right? and they're at the total total opposite of each other in the way that they treat your character and your progress and sometimes You end up gravitating towards one or the other so You what's your history with mmo's? Is it nothing? I Watched my brother. All right. It's nothing play anarchy online. Okay, so really anarchy online. I watched them play a bunch of anarchy online

So Let's just take it. Are you familiar with the term horizontal? Hold on. Oh, hold on Oh Grawl Grawl, which I don't r a a l. What is that? That is the mmo made to look like The link to the past engine Okay, so it is a giant map In a world that looks like Hyrule from a link to the past

And you have characters that you build and you can actually upload your own sprites to a server to walk around as them Well, that's fairly cool. You get weapons and arrows and you link to the past in an mmo setting your way around the giant world I played a bunch of grawl. Okay uh And I had I actually did have Two to three months Of ragnarok online. Okay, so all right. So you have a little bit So let's because we're talking about number go big right and you did play monster hunter

You got to the end of monster hunter, right? So In the number go big land Right, you have two things you can do You have vertical and you have horizontal progression. Are you familiar with these terms? I'm gonna assume some people at home are not familiar with these terms Vertical progression is monster hunter From the 99% of monster hunter that you play Okay, I killed a rathalos. I made a I made a sword out of rathalos bones level 1 to 99

Like simply yeah, yeah, but I'm just gonna use this example right sure. I'm gonna use that to kill More rathalos or beg bigger rathalos or bluer rathalos better sword Right your power is a line upwards. It's not even a curve. It's just a line Levels whatever the reason that I use items in this example Is because all mmo's have a level cap or most of them anyway And then after that you get your item level so your items get stronger instead of your character level, right? Yes horizontal progression

Is when your character has a really really low level cap So the level cap in warframe for example is 30 You're gonna hit level 30 with your weapon or your frame or your whatever In like 90 minutes You're capped Right You're done. Yeah after that everything that will increase your power is Adjacent, it's not that it's better. It's that it's different you modded your weapon with all of this shit, right?

You went and got those things, but now you went and got a different weapon destiny Destiny yeah is is a mixture of both. Okay, right, but when I say warframe, I mean you hit level cap Immediately in warframe and what you're doing to make your character stronger is altering pieces of them sideways so that You go you mod all your shit, but now I want it to have corrosive damage or not And there's a vertical progression of that and you make mod strong or whatever, but like And the end of this story is I I don't play ff 14 for six months I come back my character is no longer at the at the highest item level because the item level increased while I was gone Yeah, so okay, I'll run my dungeons. I'll do my things. I'll get I'll craft some items

Okay, I've made my character stronger and the benefit to that is as new harder encounters go on you have the very very classic Now my character is way stronger I could go back to that old shit and crush it and I and you feel it Like when you improved your gear monster, you feel that you're better, but It's a treadmill. It's an infinite treadmill The longer the game goes on the longer you stay away the shittier your guys are going to become And that can lead to a really terrible feeling that you're doing it for nothing Right people right now. It's easier to gear up for in final fantasy 14 than ever, right?

But everybody knows that on june 28th the day that the new expansion comes out The highest level gear in the game right now will be outpaced within a couple hours Because the new expansion has to make you stronger, right? So it leaves that feeling of uselessness and pointless I think that only applies to people like you You mean the types of people who play mmo's? Yeah, but there's definitely types that would Get to their satisfaction point whether that's the fake ending or the cap Totally and then call it there. Absolutely in the same way that I got 151 pokemon. Yeah, I'm good Done right exactly and that's one of the smarter things that 14 does is that they they actually have said

Oh, yeah, we're totally cool with people letting their subs laps for six months And there's all these catch-up mechanics and there's all these things that they do To they just assume people quit their subs when shit runs out And then they just come back and do it and then they quit again Now take warframe on the other end of that spectrum and in before you compare it to near-automata ending a don't you fucking start Don't you start don't it's not the same thing Also, I didn't even have friends that I could have fucking traded with After red and blue anyway, so I was out of high school. It wouldn't have worked. Now. Let's move on to warframe, right?

Yeah, you know Excalibur the the frame that you can start with there was Excalibur A mag and volt right that you could have started with let's take Excalibur, right? Yeah, that's a really good frame That's a really good one if you put the time and maybe a little money, but you can earn it otherwise You can make that guy like Let's say a minus in terms of overall power in the game sure There's a better version of Excalibur that you can get for free and I mean they literally hand you the pieces sure from a later quest

But fine I have an what's called an Excalibur umbra. It's the better version that you get from a quest, right? The quest the main story quests are rare. There's like one a year And they're not difficult And I am wildly overpowered for that shit And I built up my Excalibur umbra and I made them all pretty and nice And do you know what?

I could never play another day of warframe in my life other than coming back for the the big story quests And I would still have a character that's wildly overpowered for them Because shit doesn't go up in power. They just add A new guy or a new gun for that method No I don't you rather feel the sense of of dread at your shit being pointless. No, here's the thing I don't prefer either. Okay. There is some serious value To the feeling of I made a sarin prime warframe and I gave her a fucking

Ignis wraith and a good kit gun and a great melee weapon and I modded her out and that is a solved Character that if I want to go do certain types of things That unless they nerf the fuck out of them for no reason that thing is gonna be a plus s plus tier forever Like forever forever forever forever And if I feel like I just go back and do it and getting to that point Feels awesome because look I made a shiny doll that is awesome And I earned it and it's done right it's complete If I may yes, uh, so dragon ball fighters comes out. Yeah pick three characters

Uh, I get pretty handy and happy with my team. I I use 16 sell and hit. Yeah, uh patches drop That's right things change combos don't work anymore I adapted a few things to the changes, but ultimately didn't spend as much time Going forward as I did in the beginning. So a lot of details and nuances That uh, we're missed right um individually as each character comes out and shakes up The the the matchups the meta everything about what's going on You are actively getting worse by not by not being in it. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, if you if you learn Whatever you need to learn about super turbo and you learn

What you need to about those characters and you have your your Rock and your boxer is great. You put that down. You come back to it. You just need muscle memory and you're back in Yep, but every time one of these things happens a new character comes out You don't have a but there's a new silt ceiling for your knowledge that you don't have So you are now a lower level than you were when you were playing at the time, right? So the catch-up feeling is out of like Knowledge But it feels bad to drop behind what used to be satisfying. Absolutely. So In in both of these examples that problem happens in different ways

So in final fantasy, it's usually expansion comes out Every class is completely different now because they're they're mixed up. They get stiched up added. They get stuff removed, right? And this time around for storm blood people who played dark knight like me and people who played monk like my friend maxi 71 guess what our classes suck to play now. They're still really strong But they feel like shit to push the buttons for we don't enjoy them anymore, right? That sucks But it happens every two years Right and now I don't know if you saw any of the shadow bringer stuff

But there's a dark knight all over that fucking promo material because they're the the the fancy class that they're promoting it with They're saying hey guys, we're gonna fix your class. We're gonna make dark knight better. So hey They better because if not, I'm gonna fall right the fuck back off again, right with warframe. It's a little more subtle There's a frame called ember She was okay. She was good at certain things then they nerfed her for no reason Now that now that frame sucks It just sucks, right? He had sarin who used to be pretty good and they reworked her. She was pretty good

But weird and then they reworked her again And now she's great, right? But some frames don't get touched or only improved Right, and it's always this shifting Kind of thing Warframe had a weird situation where there's a lot of old frames that do crowd control Well, they'll freeze enemies in place and stuff like that But then enough mods came out that made characters so strong that why would you use crowd control when you can just kill every single person in the room?

So all those frames went like they didn't actually change in power But because other stuff got so much stronger, they became less functionally functionally. Yeah Yeah, they still stayed five But the not the the top of the scale went from 10 to 11 right So it's always this kind of shifting fucking miasma It's a meta. It's it's it's a lot more numerical than it is

For say a fighting game It's pve Yeah, and you get the weirdness that is pve where you get a situation that happened in stormblood where it's like Hey, so here's the meta. You're gonna bring a paladin and a warrior and a bard and a dragoon For sure They're gonna be in that party. That means that people who play those roles but not those classes Are in a worse position overall Because their class isn't one of the lock-ins for progression

Right and then that that changes per patch that changes per expansion that change like Uh, there was a class that got added in heaven's word back in the day called machinist It was really good at its own thing was like a support class, but it did damage that class Was ruined in stormblood that class is like the worst class ever It's so bad And it's not fun to play anymore So if you were somebody who picked that class up Back in the day and went this is my class yet and got art commissioned to your fucking character

And really love the fact that you're a final fantasy character with a gun Stormblood comes out. Guess what each shit It's weird if your computer, uh, if not your computer build if you're if the server's got wiped and something happened and you lost never again Either of these games No Never that answers everything Okay So even the fun of the of of picking a different job this time or woolly. I've played every job. Okay. Well

All right, not to cap. Okay, but there's not a single mark on my character sheet that says level one They're like Ah You know, hey, it's so weird to me because it's like It's just I just wish I could understand that type of fun Yeah, and I just don't and it's like and it's almost like Like I like but and I know and I know that it's like I know I'm the weird one, but it's like the um Like think about like surfing right? Uh, how much of surfing is actually surfing like maybe yeah

How much of it is going out to the beach and hanging out with people like like surfing is maybe like 15 percent of the actual thing and when I say surfing I mean actually going down a fucking tube You know on the on your board like upright like I'm not talking about paddling out in the water looking for a wave I mean like the the amount of time that goes in versus the time spent going And then it's over and you're back to kind of paddling out it's like There's that really really fun moment there and that's and that and that is exclusively like Almost it's almost like that slivers what you're describing when you come back to these games and you have that like You have that good feeling for that moment

But the fact that you would say like if you lost this you'd never touch it again Well, did you have you know how much time I've put in the final fantasy? Guess what I do because you get hit slash play time. Yeah, I put 157 days Into final fantasy. That's 3,800 hours Okay, but you look that's building up A roster of abilities items money Characters etc and every one of those moments is one you'd never want to do again You you you on the way to do that you do those moments over and over and over in the path

Like from level 1 to 50. There's like nine dungeons. Okay, you know how many fucking times I have run shit like brave flocks at level 32. So I must have run it like a thousand fucking time So you get so we've hunted the same fucking monsters over and over and over again I know what the pattern looks like. I know what that rathena is going to do. It's fucking tail thing. Yeah, and At the end you're like i'm done with that and the difference there Yeah, okay difference there right is that in monster hunter you have every single move that you will ever have right out the gate, right? Your your your weapon is a complete move set In an mmo you're gaining new moves every couple levels

So your character gets more interesting to play the longer you play them When you go back, this is a goofy thing that happens at 14 when you go back and do the level 15 dungeon called satasha It locks you to only the moves you would have known at level 15 And that shit is so fucking boring now Because i've been playing with 32 abilities and all these cross cut right just A huge rotation just you know when you look at somebody's hands they're click click click click what I am This is like telling you by the way woolly

You know how you like what's what's the character? What's the what is the fighting game character you play right now in your fighting game of choice? Uh Merkava Merkava in uh, unis. Yeah, you need what the fuck is it now? It's different now Whatever unionist there's a there's a no. Oh, oh, yeah, unicler unicler. Okay. You're gonna play merkava and unicler, right? Yeah, okay You can do some cool shit with unicler Sure, right? Okay. Now imagine instead of forgetting that that shitting like imagine Your brain gets wiped and you have to relearn and repractice and repractice mode All the shit you learned how to do

And even if you knew how to do it it becomes unavailable to you you're not allowed anymore Until you play 2000 more matches Right, that's what would happen if my character got deleted. I would still know how to play a dark knight at 70 But I wouldn't have a dark knight at 70 and I'd have to rebuild him the fuck back up and like skill not knowledge and skill are not as Rewarding in this genre. Oh, they totally are but you don't have all your tools until you hit the cap so here's here here's but but but but what I'm saying is though is that like, um

It's not like Like a match up. Uh, you know what this is falling. No, it's it's it's very weird So let me so you know why these games have huge long quest lines with main stories Yeah, because the leveling process can be dull and you're gaining skills So say from let's take storm blood from 60 to 70. You're going through the story You're enjoying a funnel fantasy story every couple levels you do a job quest. You get a cool new skill You integrate it into your thing. You go. Oh look cool new ability cool novelty, right? Oh, look, there's a new area that you're going through yada yada yada yada yada yada yada. Got it, right?

That doesn't exist a second time That's gone now So when I level a new character like for example, I'm leveling a healer right now from 60 to 70 exactly the same as I did for my dark knight I'm running I'm just running dungeons and chatting with people on discord Because I want to get to cap as fast as I possibly can So I can do the real game at the end of cap now. Does that mean I don't enjoy running the dungeons? Of course it doesn't I do enjoy running them, but as a primary focus. Yeah, it's a little dull Yeah, like I'm trying to I was badly wording my thoughts before but I was trying to get to the idea of like if we're going to use monster hunter as an analogy

Um, once you know what the monster does. Yeah, you know where the weaknesses are You know where the moments to shoot just to play a trap or to you you understand it So then you have that set knowledge that's not going to change. Yeah, and then what does change is How many numbers you're going to do to it? Yeah as you get better there is there is a slight difference with that And this does factor in and that is the reason why numbers are more important in a game like An MMO is that when you take let's take rathalos. It's everybody listening this podcast probably fought a rathalos somewhere, right? Rathalos, you know, he's going to shake his butt. He's going to do his double tail swipe You know, he's going to roar up. He's going to he's going to do the flying thing. You're not coming down flat

Right, you've solved every situation, right? But he does them all in a variation of order depending on health and damage and there's all these other people hitting him, right? An MMO fight Once you know it is a solved problem, right The boss is going to do A tank buster eight seconds after you hit him the first time Once he hits this hp threshold, he's going to do this mechanic This is how you deal with that mechanic and it kind of looks like a little dance with characters if they're complicated, right?

They become solved and then The solution is okay. I want to do this much damage this much healing this much mitigation whatever in those things that that's your personal optimization, right? Once you like The idea of like it's not it's not the destination. It's the journey But you can't go on that journey a second time because you already know all of it Yeah, yeah And my impression of like a raid against a giant mega boss a raid boss and whatnot in these games from watching my roommate play

Yeah has always been that like the the whole group is basically an uh an engine Yes, and you're trying to create a dps self healing engine That works standing in the face of what this thing is doing That occasionally move to the spots that are safe and occasionally puts up the right things to counter what it's doing but it's like um You're you're a machine of people and everyone's responsible for Whatever gear spinning, you know, and that's kind of how the fight just auto plays itself likes you solve that say I tank, right?

I don't actually care what the healers are doing as long as I don't die now, right? Yeah, say i'm uh saying my dps Yeah, I don't care about anything other than staying alive Being in the spot. I need to be Hitting the thing as hard as I possibly can in a normal turn based rpg There's a chance that on this turn it doesn't do that thing instead does this thing and then you happen to get uh It happens to crit right and so the mmo coolant of that is you get situations like Uh fucking there's a mechanic called pray in funnel fantasy And they at some point they unified all mechanics

So pray as a mechanic is always the same no matter what you're doing pray is character gets marked up It's a random character, but it can only be like a dps or something like that They're gonna get fucking smacked In five seconds, right? It's gonna be a random character But pray is gonna happen every time or This set you hit the 50 threshold and either they're gonna do this thing where you all have to move in a certain way Or this thing in which the there's gonna be a big hit, but you it is all solved

And then once it's solved It's whether or not you can optimize your own character and your group In order to hit the numbers you need to hit you can't Go on that trip again once you know how to do it you just know how to do it and losing your character Just removes your ability to physically do it right and says now go do busy work That has lost all of its novelty to you. Yeah. Yeah, that's completely right. I get it So what like the idea of like yeah, if my character got deleted like no, I'm not gonna play it again. Yeah, okay ever Uh, that's the that's the joy of fighting games because it's up here. It's all up here. Yeah

But like if well, if I if I fucking took a rock and bonked you on the head And you just forgot to play fight if you forgot how to play fighting games Into like everything else fine and you're pissed because I bonked you on the head with a rock Every single thing you know about fighting games is gone. Other than you like fighting games Are you actually gonna get back into fighting games when you have to start back from the bottom like when you were nine or whatever? I don't know It seems like a no, but it depends because there's certain moments where I kind of feel like I wish I could feel the joy of that again totally um

But It seems like a no given like where we're at in life now And so when you when you look at uh final fantasy, I have a perfect example for you There's a dungeon at level 57 called the vault. It's really tough to heal final boss has throws out tons of shit It's tough to heal So I went through that as a tank no problem I went through that as a dps no problem every now and then when I'm playing a healer I end up like randomly running into it and I go oh cool

And if I do really well, I feel great Great because like oh vault's really hard to heal great. I did a good job. Yay. Good for me I've done that like a hundred times. Yeah, there's only so many times. I can feel pride over healing vault. Well At the same time I'm thinking of the fact that like there's a bunch of new Fighting games that I like never got into that. I'm currently learning where I'm starting at the absolute bottom and enjoying that ride, but um, that's why When shadow bringers gets announced and they announce. Hey look, there's two new classes

For you to learn and play everyone goes crazy because they go look I have a I can go through the same old stuff With a completely different character and learn how to play that character and get to see all these new things And that'll make it fresh, you know So, uh, funny enough in a similar vein to going back to old things in that way, uh an apparent Old knowledge always being relevant. This weekend, uh, there was a tournament here called, um, Uh mtlsf indestructible got it. That's a good name And and it's and it's a and of course the name implies what's going down. It was a classic throwback

to Uh our old days of the community where we ran a street fighter 4 tournament And like it was basically just a yo come out and do your best in street fighter 4 You know vanilla, uh, no ultra ultra. Okay. Yeah, but Like and a lot of people that kind of like ultimately sort of gave up on five had no, you know dropped off and just kind of just didn't like it Come back and they go. Hey. Yeah. Yeah, and it was really fun to sort of see all of that and it was really fun to like, um Yeah, enter a world that i'm just like, oh, I know this and it's all there and uh And yeah, the the save file is in your brain. The progress is up here. You can't stay it doesn't matter

What doesn't matter where doesn't matter what stick you hand me, you know, you sit down and you go. Yep, bam in and out done um Really fun and like there's a sense of like um There's a sense of just like joy that that like came out from people that were kind of dead Yeah inside over like the current state of things. Yep that came out when this game was popped in so that adds a perfect perfect thing whereas The the core of this and it's the hidden inference that we've both been talking about

Is that we've been talking about the game and the progression and the mechanics and the mental memory and all that But that's only half of it with these two genres The other half is either the people at the meetup or the people that you're playing with right so for example if I lost my character and that character's gone but

So did a couple of my friends who played Final Fantasy 14 Absolutely Because at the very least we could all go through the whole process again As a group and talk shit and joke around on discord and have fun Playing the the game together similarly If you lost all your memories of fighting games But so did a couple people say I ran around and hit a bunch of people in the head with the run

Right and a couple of the better people the scene got recent Yeah, and you know, there were three or four guys down at the scene that you like to play with that also got their thing You would totally get back into fighting games. You'd be like, oh, yeah, I love playing with yeah, you're right Yeah, right And that's why I don't know if you remember but I've made jokes about it why I laugh at black desert and black and how Like I would tell everyone particularly folks who live in russia to never ever ever play black desert because the russian distribution for company company for black desert lost or

Destroyed their servers at some point and everybody's shit just evaporated I think I think they rolled it back to like six months prior Which is like Holy shit, man. That's a nightmare Six months prior for for a lot of people is I didn't play the game six months ago. There is no character of mine six months prior Right, right, right. Yeah, that that is I can I would love to see a picture of Isos and wows and fauna fancies server room and then the backup server room and then the backup backup server room

That houses character data Because you can't you can't lose it. You cannot lose that shit Um You can't Do you have any feelings about? Uh Shikolata and seco yo that dude's a jerk As we slide into a little bit of jojo over here yo that so

This is a minor swothers for this week's episode of jojo You're talking about current jojo, but I like that we have a character that like Drained the blood out of a child and as a psycho murderer going this man is the worst piece of shit to ever exist I I forgot that the first thing they do is drop that on you Yeah, because I was I was waiting for the fight to start and then Then because I remembered it differently I remembered it being like they fight and then during the fight you find out What a horrendous piece of shit he is and you go oh fuck that guy that guy's a jerk and then he gets fucked

right um But yeah here it's like the first thing ever is let's spend five ten Showing you no, it's not ten. Let's five five Walking you through all the horrible things that make even the bad guys go. Holy fuck. Fuck that guy And then you think back you think like you think back as a person on the outside right and you go Deal was like a Sanctimony is arrogant god figure asshole And he told the guy to drive down the street because he didn't care

Not because it made his dick hard Cars saw people as animals But he didn't care Right. Yeah, the difference between I don't give a shit about innocent people and my dick is so hard They're all dying. Yeah, I have a need to find and torture them Is wild so yeah, it is uh It's it's I'm glad we're here for sure. Um other fun stuff and I mean I was wondering how they were going to handle some of those names and green tea is really funny. It's pretty good

I'll take it. All right. God bless, but fucking the episode title for the next one being green tea and um Sanctuary sanctuary. I was like, come on. No one's gonna guess that Like I play I've been playing this game with staff unless you're listening to him literally say oasis Yeah, I've been waiting for I've been playing this game with staff going like can you guess what they are? And like green day was eventually we got there. I'm like, you're never gonna get fucking oasis from sanctuary It's just not happening. Yeah. Yeah, um But like I do I really do one thing I like about part five is how like the progression of bands used

Is like the bigger more important ones towards the back end. Yeah, you know, um But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So I'm I'm glad with I do this this we're finally also we're so much further than I thought we are way further than I thought Yeah, we're in Rome I really thought we were I thought I remember I remember at the point where I was like, oh, yeah, we're about halfway We're not halfway. No, we're not we're further than halfway. We got to Egypt Yeah, so We're we're all we're on the steps of to Cairo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just I just

Memory-wise I see I seem to think there was another bit to go. There's another arc in between the two, but we're not Yeah, um, there is one thing that I'd like to say which is a big complaint I'm having Is a minor complaint I had in part four and it is a big complaint I have with part five and it's something that goes away in part six and seven and I think eight as well which is I understand That you want to have a guy on the team that can just fix people

But When people get injured, it doesn't mista has died four times when people get injured It doesn't mean anything. It now means nothing. Yeah, unless Giorno is 20 feet or further away Yeah, yeah, that is that is it. It's it's With mista it's really really bad because he has had four hero deaths because what what you actually end up dealing with is Most stand fights involve someone on the team taking a critical blow way bad Right a mortal their body falling off

A mortal blow is what teaches you what you're up against right and up until someone takes that hit Yeah, because the stand you don't know what's going on dealing with in this season are so ridiculous. They're so op They're like, hey, look Hey, look. Hey, Eric. Look over me dead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, but now You know, you know, luckily I fixed it. So, hey, you know what that means and in part four no one's ever really gone What part four wasn't that bad because we did make a rule and the rule was if josuke's in the fight

And josuke gets hurt He can't fix himself. Yep That rule is gone now and We even have a storyline where it's like even if it was too late, it it's fine At least for the the use of the story Yeah It's a it's a problem

Well and and I felt that it made a big moment a couple episodes ago Very cheap because it was it was like This this this this part of happens to this person this person and then this happens and like that and it's like that's it Like well, that's the thing is part of part of exactly. So in part four There's a gimmick around the fact that healing exists. Yeah the party, you know, and uh You write around it in part five It's way more vague and loose and ultimately vague and loose is the biggest problem

Yes, and it's why this ends up being the weakest people despite being a lot of people that are aren't aware of what happens We're about to get a lot vaguer and a lot looser. Yeah, but um When your rules are just like sentences that are open for interpretation. Yeah, they're Right when I can replace something when the definition of a power is literally just it's a sentence that ends in ellipses Yeah, then You just can you can write whatever you want and then you you look at that and you go that's bullshit, but I believe it Ah, but I know I find that that is is making encounters. Um Is the all the mystifies all the mystifies

Mystic is fucked. He gets fucked man. He's a good boy. He's fine He's totally fine. Yeah Also, mr. Your power sucks Someone take your gun away from you because the amount of times you have shot yourself is so Unbelievable, I'm gonna go ahead and say his power doesn't suck It's that the story has to happen to a team that has a gun wielder on it All right more of his own bullets have gone into his body Than other people we've talked about how op each individual one of these stands are

You know, it it's what it is. You have to write. They have to find challenges to rise to the occasion It's yeah, I know but um Like take that Got away from him and just shoots him with it But just take that assassination squad and put them in one room. Oh, it's the end of the world Like it's the end of the world It's over. You're just there's nothing like you I

Uh, you would shrink and like get chopped up and metal would fly out of your face and just like And then a baby bursts out of you and then part of you turns into cubes Like you all at the same time Oh, and then a fish hook and then you turn old and you why would they split up ever ever? Like you're so fucking died. They would split up because they're all too tough to be in the same room It's like this is the equivalent of akuma can't just be walking around In street fighter because akuma can beat everyone and he kills he kills people He doesn't kill whatever and he can't just be walking around because then you don't have a story

Because akuma is just there and people have to acknowledge that he's there similarly the hero team all have to stick together But if the villain team ever like combine any two random encounters From almost any run of any jojo and just put those two characters next to each other and have them attack the protagonist Yeah, yeah, it's over. Yeah It's it's really one of those things where you'd expect more people gaming the system in the way that whole horse did Yeah, and you really don't get a ton of it. The only reason whole horse got to do it is because whole horse's stand is like outrageously shitty Whole horse is just like a cool guy There's there's uh, I mean it's it's it I disagree but it has its applications ultimately like

Being a mile away and just sniping somebody cold. Yeah is fine But yeah Gaming the system with with with more than one person at the same time to create like a fucking nonsense situation that you can't possibly solve is uh, something you'd expect more of for sure and we get other versions of it like we just saw um Fucking the clash and uh, what's it called? Uh again Talking heads, right together. Yeah, so that is A little bit closer. So when I say so when I say that there's a reason I didn't say two users as a two encounters Yeah, because whenever there's multi stand battles, they always write them as

Individually much weaker than the fucking stupid guys walking around and they these two had to team up to create one week villain Yeah, you would have been the same as yeah Uh, yeah, yeah, it's it's nuts. It's kind of that's to think about um and I would love to see like I'd love to see like a a villain of one part surround themselves with like like almost like just like three Functional people or stands that just make it

Absolutely impossible To deal with what's going on. Yeah, like i'm kind of thinking of uh, Just a guy who's like, I just know where everyone is at all times and with a win 100 feet of me Right that guy's not that strong But but you know what I mean? Just yeah Just gaming it to the point where there's nothing you can do because I feel like Yoshikawa Kira kind of does that on his own Yeah, he does in a way, you know, but um Oh part eight. All right, fantastic. This is this funny thing because are you familiar with the decidia games?

It's like the villains versus the heroes and all that shit. Sure. Final fantasy It's like it's cloud versus sephroth and the warrior light versus garland, right? Let's take that to jojo It's the whole cast of the hero team versus the whole cast of the oh wow, that's like one second In the here the villain team takes it. Okay. That's like a second. Yeah, okay, right Like we're gonna have Giorno versus the boss and then like and just individualize them and it's not the whole good guy team against one dude. It's The whole good guy team against the whole bill like fuck off. Here's the thing. Let's think it. Let's rush them

Let's just rush them. Let's play a game for a second. Let's play a game for a second Take the heroes of one part And put them up against the villain of the part immediately after oh god, it's so sad How does this how does it shape up? Well, I'll tell you how it shapes up because that happened In part three They did that they literally just did that And we saw how it happened Um

Christ they did that in part four too. Okay. I can't go They totally they totally did that Okay, if you don't want to hear jojo spoilers for anything Uh, uh possibly going beyond where the anime's at maybe tune out for like a couple minutes. Yeah Uh, they actually do that all the time Okay, but i'm specifically thinking about like what if joleen faces funny valentine What does that turn into she would die? Yes instantly And and what if giorno, uh

Like current giorno. Yeah faces, uh, poochie. He would die. He would die Yeah 100 percent. Yeah, um Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, what if jonathan what if jonathan fought cars? He would die Etc like Yeah, yeah, look at part three. What would happen if joseph fought dio? He would die 100 percent and he did Yeah, uh, if jotaro, uh, yeah jotaro fighting kira joto does fight So so like they do it all the time especially to show you as the means of going the new hotness

Is here to save the day because the old and busted couldn't take it Literally, yeah, they do they straight up do and that's why jotaro doesn't come back for part five because Yes, stopping time is better than jumping forward in time I want to see like joleen Just like getting ready to like throw out fucking Stone-free and then a train just rolls by with light shining out of it and Like just what the fuck are you gonna do about that? Like you're gonna throw a baseball. Um Okay, now flip the script and and go the opposite way with it and say, um

I'll have the later protagonists fight earlier villains then what happens. Is it the same? Is it the crunch? It's without a joseph would have had dio done in like a second joseph at the beginning and joseph at episode Dealing with straight do deal with straights and straights is stronger than dio was he's a vampire Yeah, and that's step one. Yeah, um jotaro versus versus everyone of the pillar man shut up Hmm. No, I don't know if without time without time stop Dude stands Remember the pillar man wouldn't be able to see they would not be able to yes, but could they murder him fast enough?

No, because it's magic And he had jorno going up against dio Well, that actually doesn't make any sense. Okay jotaro versus santana is nothing jotaro versus Uh, uh, the individual pillar man is probably nothing The group would be something. Yeah, um against supercars against supercars See, that's a tough one that's actually because you have what you you cannot fix that situation Supercars has durability things Supercar exactly supercars has to leave the arena for the fight to be won. However, however

Josuke against supercars laughable laughable Think about all the dumb josuke versus dio in in egypt Yeah, he'd be dead dio wins that. Yeah Well, that's why that's why those characters leave That's why that power goes away. Um Uh, uh, uh, kira versus no, what was it the other way jorno versus kira. Oh, no no problem. Uh, no problem like

does I didn't explode that was my ass turned into a ladybug like But but again, we're dealing with with pre we're dealing with like on on like we're living with current. Oh current Current jorno. I don't know what he does about that stuff. You know what I mean? And then What's the what's what's after that? Uh, joelene versus Uh, no, joelene gets fucked up by diablo. Come on. Yeah, joelene gets fucked up by diablo. That doesn't work either I don't think that works out. Um And then that's dumb

And then yeah mixing and matching these lets you really see how man the heroes sure were lucky that everything turned out Just the way that it did In just the right order with just the right people. Yeah Uh, uh, that's the nature of heroism luck Johnny and the breaker baller versus over heaven. Yeah, see now i'm lost. I don't know what you're talking about Uh Our maiden heaven I should say no No, I still I still think my favorite can't do it thing of all actually it falls apart going the other way

My my favorite part of all of this is that it did get tried once with joseph Like joseph didn't get any weaker He is just as smart and he is just as tough and his ripple shit is just as cool In part three is it is at the end of part two But stands are dumb. Okay, but wait though, but hold on though, but what about the sword of luck and pluck? What about it? That can beat any stand user Oh god Just any of these whack crazy time speeding bosses christ dude

They even just get it like no, but this sword though and do it a little bit in part three Where vanilla ice turns into a vampire and the fact that he's a vampire is a trivial concern Compared to the fact that he's teleporting around with his course. Yeah, like like It like I feel like they make him a vampire just for the cool scene of him cutting his own fucking head off because that's dope Right, but like that doesn't factor into shit. It doesn't factor in at all because who cares god damn poor jonathan I don't think they even fucking mentioned the word vampire about deal ever

in the anime of part three Cuz stands bro Stands are crazy in the end like the heroes are Made to up show the last villain you saw in their last moment but They're absolutely made to just barely deal with their current villain the very specific problem

And and there's nothing they could do about the next one. Yeah, because it's a weird different Because so upwards is a squash match. Yeah here is a Like a main event. Yeah, and then going downwards is reverse squash We'll see that the thing is nine one matchup And and this is this is the great thing about jojo's bizarre adventure is that yes There are dudes that are just tougher and have better stuff than other dudes broken shit, but Most of the time what it comes down to is the weird interaction Between stupid ideas. Yeah relying on the ingenuity

Like there's people that you look at this person could never beat that person ever, right? But there's people that go this person Shouldn't be able to beat this person But because they did this stupid bullshit They were able to manage it and the problem also arises when you look at how Certain fights are actually only concluded by you didn't win rules, right star finger The worst power That lava that that volcano explosion

Created a ring out that allowed no dude. It was a prophecy or some shit You couldn't you could like there was nothing else there. Um and or just other levels of of You actually didn't win You actually totally lost you got super lucky completely utterly completely lost There was nothing there for you. The only win is where the camera decides to go next You know, it's actually quite tragic. Um, so yeah, that's kind of funny to think about Anyway, everyone's really lucky that things turned out just so Like man we were complaining about fucking game of thrones contrivances

Fucking jojo's bizarre adventure is literally nothing but Contrivances. So here's my one other question. Uh I don't know if you knew up until this week or if you read it in advance But how do you feel about the truth behind stands? Did you did you catch all that up until they're from they're from space. Did you know about that? I knew a little bit. Okay. Um the the truth behind so the way that I interpret that is that that is a Key that unlocks shit that's been there The whole time, right? It's not granting things, but it is unlocking things and araki has already said that like haman ends

And stand powers are connected. Okay. That makes sense. Um And we and the mask and like Same source, you know what? I mean, it's like you're not looking at multiple that's why this didn't exist Million billion years back in the day and it's and it seems to be coming more and more and more and more common as it goes on Whatever, it's magic. Exactly. It's fucking dumb magic. It's ghosts And and of course, it's what what isn't and for blah the whole like they're drawn together thing is is shut up. Just Shut up

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um, a couple other things uh, gonna be working A lot more reggie's got Uh, a much more clearer schedule to uh, oh good record some stuff. So we're gonna be working together on some more projects and Having some fun with that. So yeah more lps are coming and more streams come in Uh, soon Uh, and yeah get into fighting games as well is a thing if you want to check out um

Our semi educational fighting game streams usually getting on a player that is very good at the game And reggie and I are learning the the ropes and you can join in and learn how to lab in a given fighting game By checking out getting to fighting games. Okay, and if people want to check out my bullshit I'm streaming over at twitch.tv slash angry's pat Uh, this week. Uh, by the way, uh woolly I'll talk about it more. Uh, probably next week or the week after plagues tale a plague tale That game is fucking awesome. I saw that game is the shit. I saw one gif. Yeah. Is it the rats doing rat shit? No It was just it was just a lady walking. Okay, that game's fucking rad. I'm playing that this week

I'm also playing hat in time, which got around to it. That's great. Yeah on thursday I'm gonna be doing uh, there's a fun fancy 14 live letter Which is basically talking about all the clash it so i'm gonna watch that live And then probably play a bit after and just I i've calling a q&a because there's a feature that they're gonna add Which makes it more single player. So all of a sudden tons of people are much more interested So i'll be doing that and on friday, uh, I forgot what the other one is. Oh yakuza, of course And where's that? Oh, that's a twitch.tv slash angry's pat. Also. I've been invited and will be guest starring I'm not sure the date and time quite yet this week on another one of quiet shy's art streams

So i'm gonna talk uh talk some stupid shit over there So check i'll i'll tweet that out when uh when we got details. Yep. Someone in the chat just asked, uh Do skull girls and i've been meaning to do skull girls the problem is that there's Pretty much no skull girls players in the city. That's that's the biggest problem There's like one person and i'm trying to track that's what happens when your games, you know, not good enough to go to evo I'm sorry Everyone i'm sorry low-hanging fruit. Um That yeah, like the biggest I like I want to do that episode properly

Which means I want to get someone uh around to to fucking get into it And there's one person I have in mind that i'm trying to track down, but that's the biggest difficulty You know so That's odd b. Let's get into the news. Hey Hey, it's news What's new this week? A couple things uh in particular one uh

What's new this week is Uh, well, we might as well start with it. Uh, you are in the news. I'm the news me Pat Wow, my in the news Because uh an article uh about how the epic store stops you from buying games too quickly popped up on pc games then

and uh, they uh apparently reported on someone's Issue is that is that a photo of my tweet? It appears to be an issue of uh The epic store where uh one patrick boyvern had some trouble purchasing video games. So I'm gonna set the stage for everyone here The epic store Had a sale and I believe that sales on going And in a somewhat bizarre turn epic says listen guys

We're taking the discount of the sale. We're gonna pay you 10 dollars essentially To buy any game 1499 and over on this store Including pre-orders right So I go Well, okay, that's a pretty good deal I'm gonna get borderlands eventually might as well get it now I'm gonna get the vampire the masquerade to eventually might as well get it now

Right. Oh, here's an indie game. Here's that whatever right some of them are being discounted to like five bucks Okay hit five transactions I get a message that's in that article in that tweet says hey man your account's been blocked from future purchases Please contact customer support Yeah, that's weird But okay So I contact customer support and to epics credit I got a real email back from a human being within about 20 minutes

Say hey man How much money was it? Uh like Five games. I bought borderlands. I bought vampire. I bought Uh The season pass for metro. It was like 200 bucks 300 bucks Maybe total. Yep. Like just just three big games and two indies, right? So not like a thousand dollars or anything like that. It's like no, it's pre-orders And if I don't want them later, I'll just fucking refund them. Who's this shit, right?

And I go, hey man, what's so what's up? I bought these games. There's not a lot of like, oh, hey, we're really sorry about that Hey, I need you. We're gonna I'm gonna pass the song. We're gonna get this done with so That's seven hours go by and I got an email from a man in fraud and billing Who goes We're really sorry about what happened to your account

Uh, we we've reinstated the ability to make purchases Uh, so you'll be able to continue to enjoy the sale You know as it is And I go Okay, but then I think to myself Wait I got contacted by the fraud and billing department that means that

The fact that I bought five games during the sale Tripped fraud protection on the store So here's a couple takeaways from that that train one They're having a sale in which it's scary to the company that people would buy a couple games Yes Two I made these purchases on an epic account that is email verified and has active two-factor

Authentication with my payment method being my PayPal account Which is also two-factor two-factor verified and I had to log in three times during this process Also The reason why it was five separate purchases Instead of one say two hundred seventy dollar purchase is because there is no shopping cart still Despite the fact that they're having a big fucking sale So every purchase has to be every purchase is a separate transaction

So I look at the thing and I get five different emails go PayPal PayPal PayPal PayPal, right? Hmm All right, and finally So I you know I waited and went okay. I'll go back to looking for sales And then about half an hour later after spending what I think is a total of four hundred dollars I bought every single game of value off the epic game store showing off that when I had gotten that fraud protection thing happen I had bought about 60 percent of the stores like what I'm going to call actual catalog

Which is upcoming games that look cool or the exclusives that they've ran under that store has less than 80 games on it total That's weird and then And here's where we go into more news because this I looked and went wow It sure is lucky But I bought borderlands and vampire within six hours of the sale going live Because because not only is the sale not good for those anymore

Those games have now been pulled from the epic game store, which leads to another conclusion That the system that epic is using for their sales Is so inflexible That the only way to turn the sale off for those games is to have removed them from the store I can't believe I actually can't believe that I've never seen like this type of Like fuck up or this type of like shoddy built together fucking a stick cut

up for business Trying to cram diamonds Into its into its its coffers like like you're buying exclusives And you're trying to push this as if it were up and functioning And like your house have a sale When this is all happening like the the building is sinking into the fucking foundation and opening, you know what I mean? Like like the the soil is soft Right the building is falling over and you're trying to cram

Like get those flyer out there. We need people in the door. Oh my god And more exclusives all the time like trying to trying to mine's the one that mine's the one that Gotta fight steam gotta find mine the one mine's the one that kind of blew up. I guess but Like that's only because I'm sure a lot of people if they were gonna preorder borderlands on the epic store They were probably they probably did it when it got announced and they knew it wasn't gonna come to steam and they just Bit the bullet and did it right? I just happened to go. Oh fuck it. Everything's on sale. I waited till the right time, right? There's probably like thousands of people whose accounts had the exact same fucking thing happen to them and depending on the timing

They would have actually missed out on these sales The vampire and borderland sales were up for less than a day. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. They were up for less than a day Before getting pulled by their own publishers But here's the question and Hades is even weirder. Hades the early access game by uh super giant Games, which is a fantastic game even its early access state was kicked down to seven bucks as a result of this sale But something weird happened suddenly it wasn't seven bucks suddenly it was It was 15 bucks

Despite being on sale. That's weird. It was $10 off while Hades had been running a sale where it was $3 off So it would be 17 from its earlier 20 And then $10 off from the epic store made it seven, but now it's 15. Why is that? That's because its actual real price got kicked up to 25 In the middle of the day. Yeah Yeah, now I'd like to point out that saying that things are on sale when you doubled their saying something 50 off And doubling its price right before it goes on sale So that's actually the same cost and saying it's 50 off is illegal in most countries It's a form of false advertising

So when people notice this about Hades, they went, hey, what the fuck that is bullshit that is bullshit and then what ended up happening is They took the the original discount off they put the price back to the fucking 20 bucks And I think you can buy it for 10 or 15 or whatever the fuck it is now Right and everyone wagged their fingers at super giant And they were about to get way madder Right up until

anecdotal pieces of information started coming out where The reason why Companies are pulling their games are pulling price shenanigans Is because epic said oh, we're gonna take the hit off the 10 bucks for the sale Yes, we don't actually have to tell anyone that their games are going on sale Because I was gonna ask I was gonna ask like is this a case of

Or does this look like a case of Uh, here's the sales plan. Here's where we'll pass the the savings on to you. Yeah, we'll take the hit They're straight up paying customers To buy games on their store. They're paying you ten dollars And then on paper it looks great and then they realized there was something about it that was unsustainable. No It's the fact that people over at paradox Woke up in the morning and went Wait, hey, did you guys put vampire on sale?

Why is it on sale? Now everyone's gonna be pissed at us when the sale ends And it's being vampires being sold on like gog and shit like that, right? And it's gonna be 60 dollars there forever So when that game comes out it's gonna get slammed because they jacked up the price Is how people are gonna feel Hades Which is an early access title goes shit people think our game is worth fucking seven dollars now

And they can't undo it They can't undo it And I don't know if there's anything like steam spy for other platforms But there's the but like price tracking You can see like the value of the of the game go up and down Over time as sales happen to see what it was at its lowest versus what it was and here's the best part about it So let's take paradox for example They're the publishers behind vampire the masquerade bloodlines, right or two. Yeah

They don't know about the sale they freak out And they pulled it right same thing with 2k they pulled borderlands Which is really funny because randy pitchford made and deleted a tweet making fun of the whole situation That's part three. Yeah, right, but let's say let's take the vampire. They pull it. Sure. Well, okay. It's only 10 bucks and 50 60 That's not that big of a deal unless you happen to live in turkey or russia In which 10 usd were getting knocked off the regional prices Making the russian and turkish versions of the game only cost five dollars Fuck

Oh fuck they fucked up the money Because the epic store doesn't have regional currency. Oh, no, they didn't do the translate. Oh, no Oh my god, so paradox says we want to put games out in turkey and russia And i'm sure there's a couple other countries that i'm forgetting But those are the two that i saw the date on and they go listen We can price it in rubles russian rubles for what is the equivalent of 15 dollars usd We're gonna price it lower regionally and because piracy is a big concern there And we want to put it there and average income yada yada yada yada yada

But 10 dollars off In the us and canada and the uk Is not the same as 10 dollars off in the eastern block. Oh my god, so all of a sudden They're having a situation where the game is now seen as actually valueless In countries that it was already a fight to have it seen as having any value at all So now if you can't get it for five dollars during that one day People in russia are gonna go well. Why the fuck don't i party the game's only worth five bucks anyway

Ah Wow It's such a mess This is this is a sale in which epic paid me 10 dollars to buy borderlands from them, which is exclusive to their store And it's a disaster And this is completely outside of everything up it up to this week We've been talking about of the store itself just not functioning. Yeah, the store's just bad. It's a bad store

Like this is this is a brand new issue with the way you're trying I Why have a sale when the store is like this and i'll tell you why Because the way epic is running their store is literally just Somebody somebody is running the the team on the launcher, right? I'm gonna assume that person's really frustrated because they don't have the resources they need and they go dude Give me in my give me more dudes Give me more time give me more computers whatever I need right to make this store go fast

And they go that's not important. You know what is important? Let's just literally Throw money into the street With little stickers on them. Let's say epic store And It blows up you ever hear uh about steve jobs losing his mind going off on uh the team at apple over mobile me I do not Okay, because I mean the short version of it is just he walked in one day and went

Hey, what the fuck does mobile me do and everyone was like, uh, well, uh, it's like does it work and they're like Well, it's not really there's problems. So then why are we pushing it down everyone's throats? And just stuttering and stammering for hours as they basically went shut this thing down Just shut it the fuck down. Just kill it. Just kill. What are we doing? We're pushing a thing that doesn't work at people aggressively Yeah, acting like it does and it doesn't do anything like it like the If your store sucked and they were like well, it exists and we're working on it

That's one thing But the aggressive cocky swagger the cocksure manner at which epic game store is Strolling down the street and kicking your door in to offer you exclusives Let's as it all fucking falls apart underneath change is amazing two things about this one So this is this is pure ignorance of running a store if you're gonna put people's shit on sale You might want to inform them that their shit is gonna go on sale Because maybe for whatever reason or whatever they don't like price perception exists. It's a thing. Yeah, send out an email

A couple weeks ago done Handle it as it comes in number two have a sale where people are ostensibly going to want to buy more than one thing Once a shopping cart has been added to your store so that people can make singular transactions of the things that they want That's not even say spend money on the development. I'm saying literally don't do a sale until the sale part works Done that's two things now. I'm not a businessman. I'm a youtube twitchy fuck I know this Fuck you know this

Average person on the street know this Hey, woolly. We're gonna have hey, you know what this is I run a hat store. I'm gonna have a big fucking sale every hat's 50% off No, I don't have a cash register or an interact machine I'm just putting it in a bowl underneath the the counter But come on in Monorail, monorail, monorail, monorail It's it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, what a mess

And it seems like the business plan is to continue being aggressive about the store So why there will be no back down? No, there will just be further stories. Yeah, and one might Suppose a clock reset. Oh, yeah, we'll be in order. This is super bad because a clock reset like five times within six hours It's so crazy a bad product is being aggressively marketed. Yeah Like it's just it doesn't go up from here. It really really doesn't and yeah I really hate the fact that Hades is is is stuck in an abusive household Well, I mean, dude, I'm a borderlands and fucking obsidian fan think how I feel about that shit with outer Outer world outer worlds and just borderlands get them on console when it happens

So for those of you at home who are listening To the audio version of the podcast my eyes just my eyes and nostrils just flared in astonishment Go fuck yourself um It's so so I think shy put out a tweet that was really on point which was She took a screenshot of two fanboys arguing and calling each other names. Like the epic game store appears to be console wars, but just dumber

Just stupider on every level Could you imagine if this was story was like about microsoft or so implying there are people defending it Oh Oh woolly It's full on fucking steam epic fanboy shit shit war, but I don't understand It functionally does not function It does the the product does not work like there's you can't have a console war If you hit the sake of genesis power button woolly and it doesn't turn on I have a phrase for you

That while technically having nothing to do with this will illuminate it for it and it's your marvel bias is showing But if I opened up my marvel comic and there was nothing printed on the pages woolly It wouldn't be a war like dc wins because there's a comic in the book woolly You are too old and mature to understand Fanboy shit heals anymore if I walked into a theater For a dcu movie and nothing played And then I got kicked in the shin on the way out

And they said yeah, now we got your money. Thanks Like that's not a war So I need to point out that as a person who uses the epic launcher as a launcher To click on the game. It works fine. It works better than origin in in that in that respect I even discovered that you can kill the entire application And run all those games without it. You know, that's how I play hades Yeah, exactly because when I I have to compatibility run the fucking launcher to get anything to show up. Yeah

And half the time there's messages with invisible Accept buttons still better than fucking origin though origin's the worst You know what like playing apex and Titanfall rest in peace I I I just got used to it. Yeah, you got used to it wore down on me And and and it is what the fuck it is. Yeah, it's bad It's so bad. Do you remember the ubisoft that you play shit? It's actually totally fine now

See, but but did you still but you still have to run it in tandem with steam depends where you buy it Because if you bought it through steam, yes If you didn't no because that's the thing I never was prepared for was the level of like, hey buy this game on you play now. I'm a bite on steam Okay, but you still gotta have you play to play it. That's right. What are you getting you fucking crazy? And then you're just like in this game and not make you turn off and you go to play it through you play It says no we have to load up steam so it can load up you play like We're

We're gonna sell it to you on another platform. It's really stupid, but you gotta have the Man that wow and it and the problem was for a while. I was denying a bunch of Like access shit requests that you play was that it was asking all the time and I was like, no, you don't have my permission for any of that And then it was like well, then you can't run the game Yeah Each shit. Okay, so you said it's better now you play is fine. Okay. It's it's a minor annoyance I'd love to see if if you could put a dollar

to the like if you could put a dollar number to like the annoyance bucks in a way that you're getting out of people and um And well, you want to and the goodwill that you lose in the process It's almost always worth it because that's how do you want to know what the wildest variation of this event is? Because I can tell you there's a game. I didn't talk about how I played I played rage 2

It's fine. Oh, yeah, that came out right. It's totally average six or seven I had some fun with it, but I'm probably not gonna go back and play it right You know what's interesting about rage 2 careful the they might break into our house and and shut you down for Saying that go on. What's funny about rage 2? Yeah, I bought it on steam So Bethesda. Mm-hmm id software game. Yeah bought on steam. Mm-hmm You know what game you can't buy on steam. Mm-hmm fall 76 You have to buy it through Bethesda's store and launcher

So everyone assumed that when fall 76 came out and it was exclusive To the Bethesda launcher and their ecosystem that everything else that everything else would but no actually Just just fall out 76 That's weird It's almost like They knew that thing was going to be the worst trash fire ever And made it exclusive to the one platform that you can't get refunds from

Really? Yeah Almost like there's no return system. No, it's their own bullshit You can ask for a return But they don't have a unified return policy the way the steam or origin or you play or epic has Do you have to convert cash into fun bucks? I don't know like do they do okay, you know what you do have to do Is you have to leave your personal details open for people to open and close your support tickets with your address and shit in them Hold on a second. Can you return games to the e-shop? Which e-shop? Nintendo?

Uh, no, no, you can same thing with sony. They they really don't like it. Okay. They'll lose that battle eventually You mean pc platforms. I mean pc. Yeah, okay. Got it By the way, I should mention I've tested the epic game stores refund shit You have to send them an email or whatever. It's similar to steams. It's not quite as automated, but they're working on it apparently Yeah, they'll refund your shit. It's same rules of steam under two hours under two weeks Well, yeah, no like rage 2 coming out on steam is like 100 confirmation that the only reason that fallout 76 was exclusive Was so that it would be harder to get a refund and so that uh, you wouldn't be able to see user reviews for it

Because it has no the bad thesed a launcher thing has no user review function So that when you went to go buy fallout 76 there wasn't a little tag next to it. This is this game is dog. Shit. Don't buy it This world of that's dirty man. That's fucking dirty I mean, I think I Eviterated this a couple times, but it's like Like the steam came along and it wrangled the wild wild west And you know good for you valve for all the problems and all the hard work you did you did it your fucks now But you created the um the watering hole. Yeah, right?

There is nothing wrong with anyone else coming along and challenging that with what might be a better idea Especially now that you're letting every tom dick and harry take a dump on that end of the fucking oasis quite frankly Why are you letting them shit in it? The opportunity for other people to create their own well if need be Is part of what makes this industry work? Yeah Why are all these other wells so bad? Oh because they're poisoned. Yeah, but you're not allowed to drink Water from if they catch you drinking water from any of those other wells and you come back to this one You're getting kicked in the balls. You know, it's really depressing. Yeah, so there's a launcher that we never talk about It's the good old games launcher gogg. Yeah gogg gogg. It's the galaxy launcher. Yep, right

Galaxy launcher is stable. Yep. No problem. Never had good cloud saves good options. Never had any issues with totally optional Yep, you don't have to actually even use it dr. I'm free I think uh cdproject reported a total profit on uh good old games.com of about 4,800 usd last year Okay for the year Okay so While I do appreciate The amazing and customer forthright stance of anti dr. M. The good old games puts forth

The catalog they show off And the features that they have don't seem to be doing them a whole lot of good now granted. This is really important The the a witcher game didn't come out last year. No, no But they can buy a really nice laptop. They sure can't Maybe depending on import costs to the checkbook Uh, okay. Well, here's a isn't that a fucking bummer though That's like really sad but also completely understandable and goes back to what I was saying about annoyance bucks and goodwill Where there's a part of this and it's nothing where you have to do that and we know that because we've been

Born on exclusives. We understand how polin my my bad not check repolo. We understand how that works We understand like that. There's a nature here where like you're trying to be competitive and whatnot, but it's just it's just ridiculous when you're doing that and like What's your but you're you're again you're you're you're a car salesman Slapping the car going this bad boy and before you can tell us how much can fit in it the wheels fall off You know and you're like where you going get back here getting the fucking car Listen, it really it's it's wild that you're going to push it as if it works when it doesn't listen And you have no choice because you've already rolled

Well, we're going to go down to the old polish ice cream shop Where mama cd and papa poyak Are making some artisanal ice cream. They give you the the good cone. They have no spoons. They scrape it with the flat thing Yeah, they do that thing and you're like, oh this place is so great good and in comes the epic cream mart

In and moves right next door And says there's only vanilla But it's free And the cones suck and the floor is kind of sticky But it's free ice cream. It sure is it sure is Anyway, so here's what's going down We've already gotten a sniff and a whiff of this earlier When olive branches were reached out across the aisle with nintendo and microsoft. Yeah

Now sony is coming to play this story is so awesome because This week there's an announcement that sony and microsoft announced a partnership for cloud gaming and content streaming solutions Using microsoft azure platform. It's their server shit. Yeah, so the cloud actually is called azure You know what the best part about this story is This is a partnership between microsoft And sony yeah Not microsoft

And sony computer entertainment. Yeah, who apparently did not know about this. That's hilarious That's fucking wild Great over their fucking head that is wild and that is such a microsoft move to do Oh my god, dude. That is such an ms thing to do 100 percent You mean the company that makes hospital equipment? Yeah, yeah And like insurance bravia tv. Yeah. Yeah, cool. They don't do that anymore. No, I was clearly not but like

Wow, because now what's going to come down Is the people who work at sony computer entertainment who are behind that cloud gaming shit are going to get a message from on high corporate Saying, oh, we're using the azure shit. No Mm-hmm. What you mean our direct competitor pepsi announces landmark deal with coca-cola bottling company. Yeah Absolutely. Yeah, you know like it what this is amazing And this is this is also really confusing as to like, what does this actually do? I what does this do? I suspect this is I'm looking at this as potential positioning for like fuck stadia coalition Yeah, maybe but real games

Yeah, I mean possible games of gamers possibly. Yeah, whatever. I don't think they're that worried But uh, whoever at microsoft went Smart good job smart Uh, boy, um, also, uh, somewhat terrifying as we're seeing with the disney big companies love monopolies and more business dealings between sony and microsoft Is in a way genuinely worrying Well, because

Nintendo's always going to be nintendo. So that's fine And as cool as the the microsoft play box Or xstation would be As the the one console whatever Ah competitions good. Okay Right now, we're currently in a slow generation. Yeah, we're at the tail end Yeah, but what next gen should announce soon? I think but but uh, we're starting to get the news of ps5 and all that rolling out with the Getting rumbles really little bits and so on but rumbles are around but I mean

But we we are solidly like the the gen that we're in is has been At it's set places for a while and it's also it also got like extended because of the pro and the That's that's what I was going to say is that like we took a half step forward with these in between consoles, right? Um, it wasn't enough to get microsoft back where they were and the fumbles they made with the expo Continued that's a long time ago now continued forward and they never recovered. Yeah, right? Just like sony never recovered from the cell processor in the entire ps3 era But they're clearly positioning themselves For something

Next gen That we don't know what it is exactly, but like they're getting friendly with their competitors Yeah, in a way that makes me wonder if they're going to even be like Competing in the same way. So what's interesting to me is that I I did uh Man, I didn't interview a million years ago right when the online shit happened. Forget the guy's name. It was I think was rocket rocket Ah whatever, but uh, it's the first time they've ever talked about how the fact that the game industry goes in waves Fucking nintendo shits its pants and denies the sony cd deal Right. Mm-hmm. Sega puts out the Saturn and shits its pants in its own way

Sony PlayStation happens. Mm-hmm Next time Rolls over the microsoft the playstation next time The ps3 and that it's like every generation is the last market leader shits itself Because they get all cocky and evil the next best competitor stands around Doesn't do anything doesn't really change anything just acts normal earns the crown by standing still right. Yeah Again, sony has gotten really weird and fucky over one year The past year the weird san francisco

Like what I we initially wrote off as a joke with the anime titty shit Is getting like weirder and weirder and now is there follow-ups going on? Oh dude, it's constant They changed there was some fucking uh omega labyrinth changed the name of the game To just be labyrinth because the omega symbol looks like boobs on the title come on. Yeah, i'm serious Like they want to change the names of of they want to they want to clean up video games and what's genuinely kind of offensive to me is that the word from people to talk to them is that

Sony put this mandate down to clean up the shit because of the me too movement Which I feel is a gross callous and insensitive actual understanding of what any of that shit is about Me too movement isn't about Anime titty games. It's about people being fucking pieces of shit I would say so. Yeah, so what the fuck does the oh because because corporate motherfuckers go We're gonna look like we're doing so we're gonna clean it up But also we realize that it looks weird that we're gonna. So we're gonna everybody shut it's fucking weird

I haven't followed those these details that what would happen here, but like I'm really surprised here that that continued. Oh, uh con yeah but the reason why you don't hear about it is because If your developer is the one that goes and talks to people about it You might get it blacklisted because it's supposed to be secrets Okay, but but but the the topic we were on was the next generation. Yeah, also sony's being a bunch of dicks with crossplay shit Right that was happening. Yeah, that was happening. And like you you know what when you know what we're seeing Are you you think you spelling the doom of valeria here? You like no, we're seeing sony go back to being sony

Because sony's a sony and microsoft and nintendo and epic and valve They're all evil fucking money grubbin companies that want your shit You remember when fucking sony got in that shit for putting root kits on cds that would steal your fucking information You were that shit So is it gonna be like is are we gonna literally be in a situation where it's like we got to wait for the even number consoles? Yes You you remember when microsoft got hit with all those fucking antitrust monopoly shit in europe because they kept bundling internet explorer with fucking windows to try and kill chrome Every time

and like seriously though think about it ps2 xbox 360 PlayStation 4 And probably the next xbox we 3ds

Switch yeah well nintendo is On their own weird path in their own universe But in there they don't know what's happening in there, but in their own continuity They get defeated by nothing. Yeah like the Wii U got defeated by nothing You know like you can't like you it's still there like it Yeah The Wii U was defeated by apathy That's really good

Like is it well i'm trying to remember I think someone That I think I like I god it's been so long But it's like you know like a homer versus Frederick Tatum. Yeah, except they just photoshopped Frederick Tatum out So homer just getting punched by nothing. Yeah, and then falls over and gets airlifted out. That's the Wii U Oh god man yeah, so So yeah, this this next gen is gonna probably Sony's gonna

Try and probably pull some of the stuff that microsoft tried to pull last time without a hint of irony And microsoft's gonna go hey do you guys like xbox? We're gonna put out a new xbox and everyone's gonna go yeah xbox. I had a 360 and that's it Maybe they'll even make a snide video about like how to share games with your friends for real like Every time god that feels like a A dream. Yeah, I feel so long that video of them handing the ps4 game over In response to the fucking disk installation like

Wow Wow, yeah, okay, so um, but all but all that to say that I feel like this this this partnership positioning that we're seeing We've never seen before. Yeah, this is my this I feel is microsoft going We want to be the guys who play nice with everybody and if you get play if you play games on xbox You can play them with everyone. This also seems to be microsoft possibly Wanting a future where claus claus where cross platform

not only exists in like Multiple huge fortnite type situations. They're the ones running it Or like literally they're literally gonna be running it now with the azure with with with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's there. Yes. Yes. Yes, um but the the Like it might be either a like, you know consoles unite type thing or it might be a I talked about it a while ago And I still think there's there's thoughts out there of just like

If there's enough if there's other games that are as big as fortnite that are as like Just on the present, you know that exist on all platforms where you're an idiot to not participate While the place to play will be on your microsoft Where we have these incentives and that and when you play it on microsoft because they're already literally doing that with fortnite The play it on xbox one x where it's the fat It's the best way to play it and you can play with everybody and yada yada yada, right? And we're gonna crowbar the other platforms when they run it through our shit. Yeah Yeah, no, uh, it's it's

It's smart And it's also like it's hey Power to the players. Am I right? Yeah, yeah, no, it's yeah, it's fascinating if you don't get along we'll go over your heads So There I would like to add an extra sentence to something that you said because it feels more appropriate to microsoft where you say consoles unite Under microsoft rise up. Yeah rise up

Underneath microsoft It's a different way to play the game. Yeah Yo cup heads getting on switch and i'm sure anyone who has a switch is like I like cup head That game's cool cool That's it thumbs up end of thought You know yeah microsoft's been doing this shit for a while remember when they bought minecraft And then they kept selling minecraft on everything because it makes them a shit zillion dollars That's probably the genesis of this idea

Which is ironically kind of like I I remember when they bought bungee and people were mad about that And now people are mad that they let bungee go Real mad actually Uh, so the other bit is that Besides this this this coalition Uh coalition of the clueless right here the the the ministry and and the corporation have joined and now they're the corporate ministry Um besides that there is uh, sony announced that uh

There is a new branch called playstation productions. Fuck's this It will be a branch that is specifically for adapting games to tv and in-house film. Well, this will be dead in three years Uh, so basically, uh, yeah mark that on your calendars. Assad and shan laden are behind uh, playstation productions monday may 20th of 2022 Cross media will have been shut down playstation plus programming fizzled out um This is where shan went shan laden seems so Seems so I enjoy your your tenor at a new successful mobile game company in five years shan

See it depends because you know I guess it depends on what they put out and whether it's shit or not quite simply I have Less than zero faith in this um I have anti-faith in this product. Yeah as the article kind of like he said it's like if they're if if god of war winds up on hbo yeah Then we're gonna be in a whole different world. Uh, but this is this is castlevania

This is this is this is what caused this is castlevania and the incessant rumors about zelda on netflix Well ratchet and clank happened. Yeah, it did. Didn't it? Yeah. Yeah, and that other one. What was the other one that happened exactly? yep all Yeah Sly cooper did it. Yep. Are you sure? No No, no, no because I think you're right, but I'm not sure either I am not sure

Oh, this is gonna be so bad This is gonna be so fucking bad anyway Remember lords of the fallen to I do lords of the fallen two has dropped their developer defiant studios Uh That's interesting publisher ci games has dropped defiant studios as the developer of lords of the fallen two Uh, the publisher is retaining the the the shit obviously, but they're like that game's not in good Not not going great right now

Defiant are they the same people did uh The termination of the agreement was submitted due to inadequate execution of defiant at a key work stage Uh milestone 11 In the so-called vertical slice They're throwing them under the bus. That must have been a bad super. That must have been a fucking disastrous vertical They're throwing them under the bus super hard in a very public manner Or are they the people who made lords of the fallen bra? I am not finished

Oh, there's more the quality of the work was lower than expected by the company As precisely described in the agreement despite three calls to improve the quality at the of the stage of work Dude Like the bus has been thrown under the bus. Oh my goodness a double decker is now on the scene Um Yeah, so they are not the people who made lords of the fallen one They were a new company brought in to do lords of the fallen two because the lords of the fallen guys are doing Oh, they did surge

God they're doing something else now. I forget um Hold on quick search quick search They're doing search too. Oh, okay. They're doing search too. So what's really funny to me is Is bandai namco, right Is is the the big big ass company behind this that that is Pest these guys make the bad game Um, let's put some pieces together, right?

Bandai namco Gets the publishing rights to dark souls Right well specifically ci games here ci games ci games the fuck ci games. Um Are the folks that are the fucking lords publishing a bandai namco game publisher ci games has dropped defiant studios The fucking title get fucking thrown over The fuck i mean that's that's what That's these ci games I mean ci games is ci games

Which is like cyber um, um, which is yeah, like a whole different thing Was that not a fucking bandai namco game? Well, uh fact that was a ci games game ci games the fuck i thought that was a bandai namco game, uh publishers of We're pulling it up here Yeah I'm thinking of code vein sniper ghost warrior Uh

Weird Yeah, you might be thinking of code vein. That's definitely bad dynamic. Oh, yeah, okay, but um, let's fuck me they wanted the dark souls money and then The the developer did well and went on to do their own thing Yep, the first loads of the fall and 100 percent. Wow weird Although that is a bandai namco logo on the cover there. Okay. Okay. Okay So hold on a sec. Come on. Yeah multiple publishers multiple. Okay Um, yeah

I'm not totally nuts. No uh in fact Region specific region specific. Okay. All right. Yeah, europe squaring necks uh ci games bandai namco Now I remember why they must have published it in certain regions Then I remember being weirded out because it's like you publishing this but you're also publishing dark souls. That seems like a bit of a

Overlap and now they're publishing and I think they're developing code vein as well. Uh They are publishing code vein. All right, but yeah, but yeah and then From software goes and works with activision And all I can think of is like man, they're never getting from software back in that fucking studio publishing house ever again It's They they can acquire all the other souls games they want to create a nice big souls. They actually are like, but uh, yeah, the the whole thing with with this though is that it

uh It seems like ci games is the other ones calling the shots as to who's developing the literal sequel and uh, yeah, they're basically Of course fighting back and saying we categorically disagree with the portrayal. Um, and that's some fucking I've never seen shit thrown like that. Like like industry ever public. It's like more Um The team that was working on the project was comprised of exceedingly talented developers whose work was fully we still fully stand behind Our team just had a build quality games as evident in their key roles in just cause three advanced warfare COD advanced warfare far cry 5

DMC devil may cry and many other top tier products. That's an amazing Yeah, just cause three sucks by the way Uh, we intend to abide by our contractual confidentiality obligation. All right. Show the vertical slice. Yeah, show it. Yeah, I guess so Show the fucking slice tells shows how bad acid is But like they straight up are just going like hey guys This game is not uh on track and you know how to bloom. You know how to blame right here These guys fucked up. Fuck them like outright That's that's

bordering on unprofessional. It's way border. It's like Depending because this but but is there a caliber of Absolute clusterfuck in your brain like we don't want anyone more than these guys again Where it's justified like is there's is there a potential Absolute dumpster fire a big publisher taking a dump on a company like this. This could probably kill the company Ah, so I mean they they they obviously have worked with they they they listed their credentials there Just to let anyone who's reading this and those hands are interested as they yeah to let them know hey guys Hey, whoa, we have a resume, but um

Yeah, usually when a vertical slice doesn't fucking live up you just go well Thank god it was a vertical slice and we don't have to sink any further money into the matter Yeah, you know with them you gotta give a real raw show that fucking slice for them to go You're all fired and we're gonna tell everyone that this vertical slice was ass. Yep Now we're gonna vertically slice you in the taint Like for real like let's anthem came out Yeah, no that was that was a bit wild how they just fucking just went for it Um has that game been shown off once ever? I don't think no there's no footage of it

There's no footage of it. We're still using images from the first game. Yeah, that's why I asked I saw that the image was the title the guy of the first game was Um as so uh and in similar uh Whatever you want to call it news Although I didn't really remember this announcement until Actually, no, uh, we might have talked about it. But anyway, uh two years ago. Square Enix opened up something called studio istola estolia Sure, they did and they announced something called a project prelude rune and um instead now Well, yes, and a month ago

A month ago the the one of their key dudes left and he's the guy behind the tales of series Sure, and basically this seemed to be a new Thing from that the guy who's I think it's it's a hedeo baba. Yes hedeo baba Who left and so if you're a tales of fan, I guess you might have been looking forward to this but Uh, he left and then a month later the studio shuts down And this whole thing was like it never happened and that feels like a man literally Like holding two edges of the world together

And the instant he leaves the whole place falls apart and you have four weeks of weird Nervous glances around the office. What are we working on? Yeah, and you don't know what's going to happen and then the heads up are not really the heads above not really telling anybody anything And then you find out all in one meeting And then you go box your shit and leave yeah, so that is uh Unfortunate for anyone who's a tales of fan. Ah people are saying that baba's the one who ruined tales. Oh

Well, he is a big hack I'm not too well versed on the tales of series. So Uh That's A different side of the story. Yeah, gotcha Well either way, um rip studio istolia I don't know who they are And you and you never will I can't remember what that game is. What does it call pre lute to rune and you never will

All right, it's gone That will assuredly be gone forever by the time I get home I didn't get to check it out yet, but there's apparently a whole bunch of footage of Grandblue fantasy versus with daigo versus futo playing it for 20 minutes and you get to see some Uh Proper gameplay sets Between the two see anime phone characters doing their anime phone thing

And this is the longest look we've had at the game because up until now it's just been those really really brief trailers That looks like an arc sys fucking fighting game. Yep. Uh, these characters are wild and uh I've been I've been getting a slight rundown from Uh, my my my grandblue buddies that have been fucking over this mobile card game Yo, grandblue's the one to get into man. I just I would never in a million, but you you got You got arc sys and they're making a fighting game

So I have to like I would be a fool to not wait. You're gonna start playing a fucking gotcha game. No Okay, no, I'm going to play the fighting game. Okay. That's what you mean I'm just going because I pick characters based on Appearance and style and how much I like them. Okay. I'm like if I see someone I'm like who the fuck is that? What's the deal with this? What's this weird cat boy the way that you said it's I'd be a fool to not it's like what are you talking about? Who's this weird cat boy? And why does he have two other cat boys with him and why are they like why are they doing a jet stream attack?

You know exactly what I Have a feeling But I don't really know why um So, yeah, that's uh, that's what's going going down and uh At the very least one thing. I mean, I said it before and I'll say it again This game will have fucking cash money

Well, I'm looking at the cash money right now, which is an exhibition match to show it off between food on taiko Like this is one of the first times I've really shown the game a long period Uh, not only I'm I'm you can you can fucking mark it from here Not only will this game 100 be on the main stage at evo the year it comes out Uh, it might have the biggest cash bonus pot pot. Oh, yeah Added oh, yeah Regardless of entrance number mobile money regardless of actual interest Depending on how the high that that money is

The num like entrance Does sometimes correlate with the money. Well, that's the point, right? That's of course, so if you put it high enough It'll easily crush the it like it's more than twice as much as the the I've talked to like I've talked to top players in an anime games that have basically In no uncertain words said I don't care if the game is ass I'm learning how to be good at it. Yeah, because sigh games money You would be a fool not to well you you might know this or at least have an idea What is the highest cash prize to ever come out for a fighting game tournament?

What's the upper limit is it like a hundred thousand dollars? I think it was like a hundred k Yeah, it's probably like a hundred k when you count all Because sometimes different pot bonuses come from different sponsors. Yeah, uh, I want to say it was probably like a hundred k um and Yeah capcom cup got pretty high up there as well But I don't think it's ever gone past that. I don't think so Um, yeah, I'm seeing people in chat saying something like a hundred grand for capcom cup

It capcom cup was was was some of the biggest num like digits. We'd ever seen all right. Fuck it two hundred fifty thousand dollars But the problem is that yeah, yeah quarter mil quarter million Yeah, take what you would have spent on the whole tour and put it into one of the one. Yeah, uh The the problem is that like the numbers are kind of invisible because there's again There's unclear sponsorship bonuses. You don't always see there's take-homes. They're not you know public so Um, yeah, see people are saying that evo 2015. I don't know if that's had a 250. I see that I see that in the chat I need to get a verification on that but that yeah, that might be after all the things are added together But yeah, you know take whatever the highest one is

and then double it And that's the fucking shit you're looking at here because mobile the gotcha money is fucking slot machines, of course like also difference between pot bonus and and um, uh, uh Pot itself. Yeah, bonus is the extra they added. So If a million people sign up you then you're obviously that's going to take home Stupid money, but it's not the thing. Yeah, man. Uh, fucking Psy games and the infinite bottomless coffers Are now interested in fighting games

Let's see what they do with it. I guess I want to see what happens to the fgc If some really stupid number gets up there Like let's fan it. Let's play fantasy game here And say that if you take first place in this fucking tournament you walk away with a million cool mills. Yeah cool mill. Let's like Let's see what how people act the stomp out like let's see The the dart. Yeah, let's see like I think what happens is, uh I think you get uh, you get a solid influx of just like random new interests, of course I think all these anime killers were just out there and we never heard of them

I think you see a lot of people that never get on the plane get on the plane Yeah, right a lot of online warriors like start pocket packing a suitcase a million dollars, man And then you see a lot of really skilled people from other genres entirely Just go e-sports guys. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. A million cool million. Yo fighting games What's up because if the pot if it's a if it's a cool million then top eight still walking away with like 50 grand Or it's something you know like end of the day like whatever the you know like yeah, um And again if you have any transferable skills whatsoever You would be a fool because I I want to see to not try I want to see it get ugly

I want to I want to see like I want to see shit get super real on the stage ninja wins evil. Holy shit I want to hear stories about people's gas tanks getting siphoned out so they can't drive to the event and All sorts of fucking stupid that shit. That's the exact opposite of what would happen. It would get way more suit and tie, dude As the as bigger professionals come in The buttons would get higher and higher. I don't know and uh, you know I don't want to see the the ghost of marvel on stage

I want to see the fucking pantheon of marvel Roll up with their whole family not gonna happen, man Yipes his braids will get tighter and tighter and he will get more and more professional And uh It's it's it if anything as the money comes shit gets cleaner and cleaner. We talked about this Three four weeks ago And we talked about what happens If daigo or something wins an event like street fighter 5 and just gets up there and go yo man this game is ass

You remember that that? Oh, yeah Did you At the fucking fortnight tournament. Oh, yeah. Oh my god. All right fine. Uh, that's that's weeks ago But who gives a shit it's old. Oh, man I'm not gonna go find it. But like that was wild Uh, the this team won a fortnight tournament and the interviewer is like, so what's next for you guys? I'm I'm quitting fortnight. This game sucks. Whoa. Whoa. Hey, hold on a minute And then other team member, hey, you gotta give me a bet he says you gotta give me a better answer

We know some yeah, we gotta get better than that. Yeah, I really don't like what they're doing with the game I think it's it's really bad now and I'm gonna be looking at other places Uh, I think did they did they name drop apex? Uh, no, they did not they didn't name drop anything. No, but they're just like other games. This game is not good We're gonna where this we're leaving this game sucks. Fucking live on stage And then it was like, well, that's it and then it just cuts Unbelievable those guys are the best Oh, yo when it's real, it's real. They finally did it

Someone finally did it, but I just like but at the same time they went back to league of legends, apparently Okay, they did like they walked in from league Apparently and then beat the fortnight shit and then when this game sucks went back to play league of legends like How like ultimately though like when I remember seeing that story and being like Uh top players in uh another game see a bunch of bullshit being rampant At that level that the company is not addressing how surprising You know to some degree it feels like yeah, because they come in and they're not in the ecosystem par for the fucking course to a degree

You know, yeah, oh, that's amazing. Those guys are great. Well uh, god bless and uh Arcsis and keep keep keep doing what you do. I'm gonna pick one of these weird character freaks or pretty boy knights or um Giant awesome grappler girls Hell, yeah, you'll find somebody you like in there. Hell, yeah, I'll find something Uh, I actually really like that game's color palette

The blue really speaks to me It's a nice blue. Well, if you like that game's color palette Is there another game that color palette that I would like there's an anime with a color palette you might like what anime is that? Uh, the new Preview trailer for triggers very own promare. Oh, what's that about it was dropped with this camina looking motherfucker That's camina. Uh And a whole bunch of like Not only is that a camina looking motherfucker as their main boy, but there's a whole lot of um

Um Other trigger people I see showing up. Is that are not there? But just kind of there though brand ryuko and shit like that. There's a motherfucking gamma gory. Just hanging out Hey, yeah, man I'm gamma tori, but they're all like doing firefighting things. Yeah, uh, but more importantly Like color is the keyword and so you want to go look up the um Promare anime film long promo. Apparently the trailer has a shit ton of spoilers in it It's for it's for a long promo. I don't think it's the actual full series

Um Promare, let's look at this. I'm gonna look at color. I'm gonna look at pictures just the visual. Oh, I like it strength Oh, I like it. It's pretty of of this thing is very very different Despite the fact that it's a clear trigger style. I like it. They look like toys got pretty colors Everything is bright and kind of like Like like I want to say toy palette colored, you know palette. I keep fucking that up. Whatever. Um, there's a lot of, uh, Pastels. Yeah pastels are all over it and it's really pretty. So this is a movie Um, that's a big old movie. Yep, and I really hope that uh, the whole thing ends up looking as cool as this does

And uh, yeah, you can check out everyone's everyone's saying spoilers for the movie. It's not just saying all right. Well here I'll stop it. That's fine It's the first 45 seconds of this thing. I checked it out. I thought it was really cool. Um Awesome very very good looking and yeah, motherfucking like Just straight up you're looking at other trigger. Will this be triggers red line? Hmm Will anything ever be anyone's red? Hmm

No, but but if by red line, do you mean like they're awesome one-shot movie Or do you mean the thing that you go? Hey, this was awesome and no one knows what you're talking about both Because I actually totally meant both Because red line is the best thing that you don't know exists. I do know I'm not talking to you. I've seen it. You are talking to me. You're looking at me, right? I'm talking to the ears. Oh, you're talking to them listening to this mp3. People that are here, but they're not here How odd Yeah

Prom air looks great I Fucking love pastel colors like that and it looks beautiful. I don't like it and it um There's moments where the cg uh is is very clear and obvious and like A vehicle rolls out of a of a garage that looks like it came out of mega man legends Yeah, and I'm like, yes. Oh, congrats. You found the version of cg an anime that I actually really did Yes

More of that took decades make it blocky and dumb. I don't care But the trick but the the textures look fucking don't you mean mega man trigger. Am I right? Am I right everybody? Hey Hey Stuck on the moon. Um dead forever I So that's cool We also got other trailers For other things and you hinted at one earlier. So we might as well talk about it

Don't fall for their lies season three of westworld is happening And it does include jesse pigman And it is taking place In the real future world that we were promised and you are getting to see all the sci-fi robots And magical vehicles and crazy futuristic things you wanted to see in season two And you're getting baited, but don't fall for it Do not Okay

I look at astralix. It looks really cool in future It might show you things that you think you will enjoy, but you will not Or if you do wait for confirmation, that's what I'll say. Okay wait yellow hard yellow You know, it's great about westworld season one You can you can you can pretend you can pretend nothing doesn't exist. Yeah, but here's the thing What if season three comes back and like is good, but has to fucking deal with work around season devil may cry too What if what if this comes out and it's westworld three delores is awakening What if what if

Yeah crazy anyway at the very minimum you're seeing um a bunch of interesting um Like you're why you're like, I want to see this future world where like You know if human life has weird value or not at all Well, because if the robots exist in a fucking amusement park for rich assholes, what's happening in the real world Is human or is human society sold and you're cut and they cut back to it a few times to show you a bunch of posh dinner parties And and moments, but you don't really get a fleshed out version of it Well, now you get to see a whole bunch and I'm I am Fully waiting for I'm waiting for your uh review. You will not get it. Oh, are you sure?

because my review is pending based on uh The world telling me that it's worth even getting into because quite frankly, I'm here's the problem Abstaining until hard confirms the problem. Yeah Because we're now I I don't know. I feel like game of thrones is misery awakened something in you because you've changed Oh, no, I've been out of westworld. No, no, no, and you knew that I've said no your attitude

Out there has changed and I like it. How so I think page term the It's coined the term awakened woolly. Okay on twitter. Okay. You're out there. You're arguing with people about the show They like sucks all this people are gonna tell you this is good They're gonna tell you that it's really good And that you should get into it because they want to see your misery later because it's entertaining to them be careful You're gonna get swarmed with people telling you that it's really good That it's really really really good And that you should watch it

Because they totally fixed it and that it's super awesome See game of thrones is in a different category from almost every other thing because I've been there the whole time And I know And whatever the fuck you're coming at me with I am super confident about what I'm about to say You know when it comes to how this is falling apart because I've watched it happen so slowly Yeah, and if I'm very interested in hearing them and like it's not a lot of there's not many topics where I'll be like I am willing to reply to just about anybody It publicly to talk about this thing. Yeah, but this is one where I'm like, no, it's been such a slow train rolling for eight years

That if you have some sort of possible excuse that I haven't thought of I'm open to hearing it because chances are it's dumb and wrong Yes, and I'm and I and if it and if it's see if I'm dumb and wrong Then I will absolutely be like no, uh-huh this and blow me up this intensity Right this fervor this passion. This is new. I'm putting a target on my chest. This is all new you can fucking hit it You can come at it for that topic because I really want to know is it this bad? Or am I not thinking about it from a different way? Do you enlighten me find another way? Find another way to explain this thing that makes it seem better Okay, now find the version of it that wasn't shut down by the directors telling you how dumb it was the moment the season ended

No, don't listen to them They don't know what they're talking about. They just made it like you've got a cool fan theory that you came up with to make it work Fine, that's great. How about the part where the credits rolled and then the directors came and said no, it's not that It really was as dumb as we said though. I want to take a little side tangent here Are you familiar with the phrase the indoctrination theory? Go on In when mass effect three's ending was really bad. Yep people came up with this frankly genius theory That played with events and described how

That you had been influenced and that maybe the things that you were seeing weren't happening the way you think they were And how certain events might have been fictional But your character was losing it and it actually it did a really good job dealing with like Certain plotting consistencies and it was g it even went down to the thing where how come in the whole series The good option is always blue and the bad option is always red But in the ending they seem to be flipped. Is it because you're gone great like because you're indoctrinated, right? It was it was fascinating Right up until A developer from bio where I went. Oh, yeah, that's not true. We didn't totally

It's like shut up. Of course shut up. It was a it was such an interesting Way to view the story. It doesn't have to be real It doesn't have to actually be the case squalls dead is the other one Okay, I remember that and I always kind of thought that was dumb But there's it is but it's it's an interesting because it's a single moment with a weird picture that everyone goes off The point isn't that you place it. It's the way it's that it's an interesting way to take the story Certainly, but it also feeds into the idea of like if you like going into this brain candy like Like world of like unintended interpretations. Sure, you know, I remember here's the thing

They actually had that in this season where there was someone had a really comprehensive thread called Uh, the night king is not an idiot theory. Yes in which they went into like straight They went into like a breakdown of like what actually was likely going to happen Despite your thoughts that it was going to be a huge train wreck like no It was going to come back around and now that it's played out in not that way You know what well now the theory might as well be titled the night king is an idiot because holy shit This would have been so much better despite at the moment going like that seems convoluted But okay, and now I'm dying begging praying and hoping and wishing we got that version of events

I also remember when the matrix reload did came out Yeah, there's one there everyone was super confused about what was going down because revolutions hadn't come out yet and there was Because the because of how that ended right spoiler alert for a fucking billion-year-old movie, but neo uses his powers in real life and everyone goes Right what and then this gigantic I mean like an essay and like a short novel Was written by somebody who put forth The one matrix within a matrix theory sure that unlike all the others actually had lots of things to

back it up and Managed to work it in in a way where I'm like I hate all of these matrix within a matrix theories But this one really actually kind of got me um And then their sequel came out and fucking just shout all over it and that was the end of that But but but like and then you're left with this thing We're like the person who wrote this theory thought more about all of this than the actual creators ever did. Yeah um

Game thrones is now firmly in that category where The deconstructions like I can't like god blood like when the mauler video comes out for this whole thing or whatever How many hours is it going to be? Beyond the actual length of the content itself, you know I want to I want to take an example here You know what happens and I'm not going to spoil it relax You know what happens and what the big story reveals in metalgear solid 5 the phantom pain are sure Do you remember that a couple months before phantom pains release

There was a wild ass theory about the ending of ground zeroes And camera placement in the helicopter During the ending of ground zero. Yeah, that totally Actually called the whole game. Yeah way before it came out. Yeah, and it sounded like the wildest most How absurd it was. Yeah, and that guy totally Totally got it pegged kojima to the wall with it and The funniest thing about that is I don't remember there was an interview kojima gave

I want to say eight years ago like around mgs2 Where he is the kind of guy The goes out there and reads this shit He has people translate it for him if you can't read it and he reads it Yes, and if people get too close he swerves it he changes it Yes, george armar and talked about the exact same thing, but This timing the game was done And when this came out so but I I fully believe that if that had come out right after ground zeroes

Right That shit would have changed to something else that always bothered me because Just because someone guessed it doesn't mean that it's bad. No, it doesn't I'm just saying yeah No, but I mean the attitude to have of like no one can guess. No, that's ridiculous is like, okay But now just like and I look at the one matrix theory that you're talking about. I remember seeing it Yeah, right and the indoctrination theory and I'm like these people put a lot of work into this in some cases They put more work into it than the people who wrote these fucking stories. Yeah, they're not to often be discounted Like bio where man about indoctrination

Shrug and say, I don't know Great now everyone gets to be happy right they can think that the word whatever the word genius. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right like Even though they there's no reason to ruin it Which is why all of these director interviews hit the credits are the worst thing ever They literally lock in the stupidity by saying that the characters forgot things or they hope the audience would forget things It's so stupid, you know Also, that doesn't include all fan theories. We need because there are certain people that need to be pointed at and laughed at including anybody who's talking about

fucking Sands and who his real identity might be Or Yeah, you know what you know what or or or brand is the night king? You know what the people who literally keep me up at night going but what if sands was ness Our weirdos Stop it. Stop that. Please stop stop

Uh, lastly, let's just take a look over here and see that if we're not falling for west world um Things are going all right but You know, I've been wondering what's been going on with this, but uh, yeah Hard to confirm we got the Mortal Kombat reboot Is scheduled for 2021. Yeah, so that's going down the ending of that game is basically Ed I don't know if you beat it yet, but Ed Boone walks out of a time portal and says we're going to reboot this

Uh, scorpion's gonna be in it. Don't worry, but it's gonna be a reboot. Yeah I do the moment I heard about like about like, uh, chronica and the time shit. I was like, oh boy. Oh boy Oh, jeez big boots Um, but yeah, so that's two about two years from now. So and you know, I mean quite frankly, it's like it's Mortal Kombat like We had the live action series and we had the other live action series, but there hasn't been an actual film Since our armageddon, right? So There's still some love in people's hearts for that techno song There are people who don't know anything about Mortal Kombat other than that techno song rocks. Well, if

Like smosh built an empire on it. Didn't they is that what they did? Yeah I want to say like one of their first videos ever was them doing the live action The thing where they're voicing more Or they're doing like the silly dance video. I don't know man. Okay. Well, there's too much internet To know is there too much or is there not enough? If you guys find any cool internet you can send it my way Or you can send it to castle super beast mail at gmail.com That's castle super beast mail at gmail.com for all your cool internet needs

That's a really good segue. Here you go. Good job Um We got one coming in Oh, okay, we got a we got a bulky idea coming in here a bulky bulky idea. Okay coming in From uh kevamati. Hey man. What up kev? Style synergy. All right an alternative to style switching. Okay by kevamati DMC five is the first game in this series that I've really gotten into The only other one I've bothered to finish was the reboot. Don't judge me definitive edition

I'm going for a platinum trophy and I figured out The game to the point of being able to consistently complete bloody palace with nero As well as s rank all of nero and via's missions and on all difficulties All right. Well, he's better than us including hell in hell. All right dante. However, it's still a process and I agree because I have I there's a reason why I like nero much more, but anyway Yeah, um, I know a lot of dmc players are attached to his style switching mechanic But I honestly think his layout could be more intuitive I thought up a control scream that might bypass the need for style style switching altogether

And I'd like to get your honest opinion out of it. All right. Let's hear it First off I'd move weapon swapping to the d-pad up and down to cycle back and forth through the guns left and right to cycle through the melee weapons I'd choose change gun Uh, I'd change at switch change gun button to the trickster action And the change sword button to royal guard action The style action button would be relegated exclusively to the sword master action And the gun button would become sort of a gun slinger modifier While holding this button melee would fire your gun and your sword master action would become your gun slinger action

So I understand why that would be really helpful at a high level, but that is incomprehensible at a low level I agree Yeah, as some of dante's tech involves holding the gun button while continuing to melee this could be utilized Uh Simply by releasing gunslinger Button before you release the melee sword master button That's causing his gun to charge and or fire in the background until gunslinger button plus melee sword master is pressed again

So you have a little you have a toggle more or less in place there If you press gunslinger button while already, uh charging sword formation round trips or electric serborus Those moves would charge in the background until the button is released And or as a sword master is pressed again The system would allow for added functionality of being able to charge round trips and electric serborus formation would lose absolutely no function whatsoever You'd simply no longer have to switch styles to access different properties It would default to royal guard and then simply act accordingly whenever you melee hold the gunslinger button like air hike air trick, etc Granted some of these changes might seem impractical using the default control scheme

But keep in mind the controls in dmc 5 are customizable pretty stoked about this particular brainstorming session And I hope you can judge it on merits without with eyes unclouded Uh by attachment to convoluted control schemes there there there's there's merit here The d-pad change in particular like that catches my attention. Yeah, right? I think I think that there could be more done to the styles to Be able to switch to them within themselves without having to rely on the d-pad I think I think that like I do dig the idea of being able to like I don't put this like hold square to do like gunslinger x or something I I worried that the the the the any variation of these right now is like

the dmc is already pretty Rough to get into dante is already a mountain to climb Not even having a control scheme that is Even because like so the the default controls for all three characters are not all the best Like I make we make some changes to nero We make I don't make any changes to dante and I make some changes to v right But it does matter that they all have the same basic functions on all the same buttons so that you can internalize that This means attack and this means that and when you get more comfortable you switch them around right having dante

Have his entire Kit reworked around this and have all of his buttons in different places if he was the only character in a game I could see it working having multiple. I don't know it seems it seems like a lot for a new player Which unfortunately you do have to consider when you're making a game like this. Yeah um That's that's exactly it in the sense that like it really makes it turns that already steep mountain into a wall For anyone brand new um But I also agree with the idea that there's things about dante that just don't click with me in the way that they do with nero

having a claw Like having to optimally claw the the with your finger and hand the the style sucks Um, he has too many having having to your fingers having to let go of movement in order to switch styles No, that's why you claw it. Yeah, it's unfun. Do you want to claw it in those moments? Um, you don't want to claw it do you and sucks there possibly is a better way than having that circle button Just take all the weight The circle the circle button in terms of like for dante. Yeah, it's a lot it's so much weight on one button and and um, do you know why you know why they put it there and why that's smart

Because the circle button is one of the only buttons you can hit on the playstation controller with the Knuckle of your thumb while pressing everything else Now for me, I can't hit square can't like my it's my finger is not long enough But I can easily hit x and I can much more easily hit triangle which is attack Which is the most important one like Um weapon cycling on the d-pad again It's a d-pad is always such a finicky thing to think about because the moment you have to let go of that goddamn movement You know stick like it gets squirrely

um Would I prefer styles up on the shoulders? And then d-pad for cycling it would make cycling a little bit more Logical to me. I don't know if I it would improve my gameplay with him at all I'd be willing to experiment with some of those ideas like gunslinger for example Being a modifier on on the square button. Yeah, you're right. I'd be able to I'd be willing to experiment with that Well at the end of the day I'll be very honest. I don't like Dante's style function

I wish he had more of his moves just built into his kit And I would gladly lose moves if I had the ability to do all of them at the same time I think the that's what Nero is Yes, and the thing is is and Dante does have the ability to do them all at the same time However, the divide is kind of based on the idea that like it takes skill to do that Right. Yeah, and remember originally Dante would pick one of those Yeah, and that would do the mission and you were you're on it and that's what you're stuck with You know his style and his the ability to you like maintain high rankings with him like got attached to

Europe Uh your skill being good with all three Yeah, even though people kind of just switch between trickster and sword master This discussion that we're talking about is why some people prefer nero like you and I both prefer nero And other people prefer Dante where Dante has way more mechanical complexity But I don't think that he feels as good to play for me. I like the fact that nero is How to put this? Yes, you can do everything with a touch of a button with Dante

But a lot of the things that he does are one layer away from you They're one extra press and that seems like a trivial concern But dmc is fast and an extra press with a different hand is actually a lot sometimes with nero I never have to move my hands from where they're supposed to be And I can do everything that he needs to do whenever I want to do it I there's a level of this and it's also just to Me not having the mastery over it, but like I also Feel like I don't have control

over My full surroundings, you know to a small in a small way like Like I don't when I'm Dante like the like there's so many moments of me like Going into a sequence and then going off fuck get back on him, right? Yeah trickster over to him Whatever nero has a lot more integrated control over where he is and where enemies are Yes, and and and the positioning of like lot switching where you want to who you want to lock onto and then snatching And whatever like I keep talking about snatch because it's Like I I don't like to go back to not having it's just like I

it's I can't overstate How much better it makes the game feel now remember you're listening to a podcast staffed by two huge nero fanboys Who one played dmc four went yeah, okay Dante can go No He has a command grab button right like come on But but yeah, no it really just did shake down to something where I was like. Oh my god. It's a core move set

It's sure it's simplified But it's all essentials right you gave it like nero felt more like Ryu In a game where I thought Dante was Ryu. Yeah, you know Dante's a kuma and and um, he's but he's also again Yeah, you know and Zeki Zeki like you're you're you're the stance switching and stuff is like it's it's it's it's totally fine And it works, but just there's definitely moments of like Crowd control kind of getting away from me in certain areas where like I want to again like I want to stay on somebody and I know where I want to just quickly

I feel like the argument between Dante and nero and occasionally Virgil is going to continue forever And while I appreciate the variety V brought I don't see a lot of people talking the way that About V and I have he just doesn't have as much there. Sure. That's fine But I but the thing is that the important thing to note though is that it's it's more than just a nero bias which it surely most absolutely is yes Yes, because I don't have any problems with Virgil. Yeah, and My Virgil bias aside which got like I don't know big bias. I don't know if that's even possible But I'm gonna try the difference is the Virgil has one style

And it's it's good got all the things you need in it. Yeah, and god bless Trick is going to be there for you every time. Yeah, um I I feel like the fact that I'm coming off of trick stir So much with Dante to come back to it for a moment. Yeah to catch up. It's awkward I don't like that I really hate the fact that I have to come off of trick stir because I like to stay in one I like to stay in sword master because you get so many moves. I

Excuse me, but like I fucking never sit on trick stir ever But I have to keep changing the trick stir because I want to get over there Or I want to teleport. That's the only reason to go back to it. Yeah, because that's what it's for So, you know my favorite version of tricksters in three Because it's like, hey, do you want to change the way this game works? Here you go Now the game works differently. You have a dodge button Yeah, um, maybe you know, maybe it would be as simple as like having a

Gunslinger slash sword master button and a trickster slash royal guard button Right, maybe it would be something like that where you start you have access to either or It adds a level of complexity to it But I'll tell you right now. You could you can totally combine Trickster and royal guard into one button easily Neutral neutral is neutral is royal guard tilt and it's omnidirectional. Yeah tilt is trickster Yeah lock on with trickster lock on and back is trick. Yeah lock on and forward is uh royal guard parry and then you have uh

Uh, yeah done. You'd have to make use of back forward inputs as well. Sure, but whatever you can totally trick up trick down And so on you don't even need to do all of them. Just the really important ones Yeah, if if you're in the air and you're locked on to a character That's on the air you trick to them if you're locked on to a character on the ground you trick down I'm trying to very clearly avoid saying something like make Dante easier though because it's like that's not what I'm thinking about I'm thinking about the moments where I want to unify him so that I'm switching less I'm trying. Yeah, I'm trying to think about the moments where I'm like I want something and like you said Yeah, it's a layer away from you and it's not like you have you it's not like

Pick the style stick to it get good at it because like no, it's it's just a second You have to input and then get to it But it's that little second where I don't have to do it with the other character, you know Yeah, I agree huge scrubs though asterisk were huge scrubs, but uh Shout outs to the word style synergy though. I'll give you that if you put If you put Weapon okay, hold on

I like what I came up with but if you remove styles Right and integrate royal garden tricks around a circle. I think that's the easiest way to do it, right? And move weapon switching to the d-pad Right Or christ you could put weapon switching to one trigger You can have another trigger be the modifier. Okay, so so so circle is now Royal guard trickster royal trickster and right trigger is Swordmaster when you hit triangle and left trigger. No, right trigger is still

Swordmaster when you hit triangle and gunslinger when you hit square sure and left trigger Does weapon switch In one direction sure And you can choose the direction one one size And that frees the d-pad for anything you want to put on there. Well d-pad has to be actual weapon cycle Yeah, or weapon selection. Okay, hold on. Hold on a second How do you because weapon wheels work in games that are not fucking mid air combo, right?

You know what I mean? You can't do that. Um, and you don't want to do the slow slow the game down to let you pick Get the fuck out of here with that shit. That's not okay. So Um Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I have an idea possibly might be garbage, but hear me out. I'd be garbage. Okay Circle button royal trickster. Yeah. Oh, I like that, right? Uh LT Swordmaster slash gunslinger modifier, okay, right? So it's instead of exceed it's modifier Yep, and then your square and triangle buttons are shooting reflective reflective appropriately, right? You can let go and press as needed

RT is When neutral yeah cycles to your next um, no Just keep going whatever right would cycle through your weapon. Yeah, right? And I don't know if they make a gun or sword or whatever, but just it would be a cycle, right? Um D-pad is d-pad up down is cycle guns d-pad left right is cycle swords. Yeah Hold our t and tap d-pad in one of its eight directions to get Straight to the thing that you want to get so it's an instant weapon wheel

So if I hit hold our t and I hit up left and I hit uh upright I go right to cavalier. Yeah Might be a bit much but Maybe it's like a weapon wheel where you don't have to pause time for it. You just know where all eight are You You know maybe Yeah, there's work to be done here that I would not I would not I definitely not say that our idea is the best or This guy's idea is the best but steps one and two of that feel like a more there is more work to be here And it depends on whether or not the next game has is Dante or the next game is nero

That's a more integrated Dante off the bat by having circle and then the modifier for your two attacks, right? And that does take an idea from dmc Where you modified but in that it modified your weapon now your stop I mean god bless you could even have um You could even have like Uh hold the modifier button and press circle To actually swap between like royal garden and trickster if you wanted to lock that in place But like

Yeah, you have all the trickster shit as a circle when you hold our don't help be and it turns into all the blocks It could be that it could llt. It could even be that but our here's the thing though. What about anything that is a passive buff by being in the style Either include all of them or junk all of them. Okay. Don't care. Sure. You know like It's food for thought It's food for thought. There's always room for improvement. Yeah Except for nero except for nero who's perfect and then you're like he's perfect and then you beat the game You're like he's perfect perfect

He's yeah, he's even more perfecter um Yeah, uh joe says Hey joe botcher damerung Which is a fucking great wife I will you remember that time brand literally wasn't in game of thrones when his whole storyline took a year off good times I guess also those dothraki forgot they were dead. They sure did joe

Shoutouts to botcher damerung. I like that I forget what it is Maya, but there's a fiction There's like a fictional zombie monster thing That the deal is is the reason why it's invincible is that it doesn't remember that it died and that The the the way to kill it is to allow it to realize that it is in fact dead Do you does that ring a bell that rings a that rings a huge bell?

That super rings a super cool idea. Yes, that absolutely does ring a bell I feel like I've I've heard something like that before. Yeah. Yeah Bellower, okay. It was bellower and fucking banner saga. That's exactly what it was. Yes. It's the opposite Yeah, you trick it and thinking it's dead make it think so because it can actually because it can't actually die. Yeah, that's super good. Nice. Yeah Uh We got one coming in from ricardo. He says they're wet and pulley Fuck that. That's bad. Don't like it with the petition to change game of thrones season ending reaching one million signatures One million signatures. So that's not going to go anywhere. But boy, that's a fucking real

Good pet on the back for a season. Well done, isn't it? What is your opinion on people requesting a piece of work or art be changed? It's been happening a lot lately with public outcries for like the last jedi and the sonic film And for a while the 2012 position petition to change the mass effect three ending. Are these examples of situations the same? Are they uh different when people ask you to read do a game series correctly? I think it's uh, I actually think it's totally absurd to demand that they change it I think petitions to change Content is media is dumb. It's ridiculous. Like just just complain. Just say that it sucks if it sucks. That's fine. Yeah, yeah

Right. There's only one. There's only one that I think is actually like telling the company they should change it Is legitimate. Okay, and it was for fallout 3 with Bethesda because There is part of that ending that is so fucking stupid and it is actually Solvable with like a couple days work. No problem that it is outrageous that they didn't so At the end of fallout 3 It was a big fucking spoiler episode today the end of fallout 3 you got to go into radiation room And it'll kill you

And you got to do it. You got it's a big deal. You got to go in there, right? And you look at your companions and you go Can't send any of them to do it they'll die Even this guy who's a super mutant And this guy who's a ghoul We're both 100 percent immune to radiation

And you talk to them and they go I would never steal this moment from you nice It's important. You got to do this for your life and you go there you fucking die. Yeah And when they put out dlc that takes place after that which necessitates your survival It's way worse. It's the stupidest thing in the world because they did include Hey fox you want to go in there and flip the switch? Yeah, I got it Problem solved and people assumed. Oh, no People assumed that the way to get to this dlc would be like listen You had to go get one of the guys who's immune to it so that your ending would have you live

So you could go on and do the dlc Nope They also added a version where you pass out and they go, you know, it's it's crazy. You totally survive the radiation poisoning And then you go on and do your further dlc adventures. Oh god damn it and like your microwave hallway doesn't work Unless he's the only one that can do it. Who's there? Whatever Come on. It's so bad. It's so bad. So not only were people told like they called hey change this So they were planning to change it later

But they changed it to be even dumber Stupid real stupid. Okay. Um, yeah, I feel like the uh, the problem with the with the petition Is that that's the moment that you go from? Um being critical of a thing where you're like, I thought this was bad. Yeah to Now kind of being entitled and like weird about it. Yeah, right the moment you're like, no I'm petitioning for someone besides the person who made it step in And take it away from them because I want it to be different, right?

Like in this case, who's daddy? Is it hbo? Is hbo daddy take it away from them or george or anybody who's listening And in some cases imagine if you're doing that to someone who's like, let's say i'm a self publishing something And you're like anybody who can take it away from the creator and make it's weird So don't make a petition. So I totally agree with you And it does feel a little entitled And it feels like I this is my story. You made it for me or whatever, right? However I am I try to be attentive to that feeling

Because the mass effect three one in particular, which is where the word entitled became a dirty word Was Remember followed by the developers of that game Just fucking making shit up and being huge liars. Okay, okay, right? So Like here's the thing, right? Am I entitled to a good ending? No, of course not. That's stupid But you fucking Pissed on me and told me it was raining to get me to buy it

You were kasey hudson You told me that the ending was going to take everything into account and wasn't just going to be one of three different colored endings All right marketing marketing lies Totally was any marketing lies So Am I am I entitled to a good ending? No, but I am entitled to what you told me I was actually buying I think though because uh, what the fuck was that? Goddamn lie trailer

game called again What was it lie trailer? Yeah, the original lie trailer for what the original bullshot for what? Um For that first person shooter that was on ps3 early And it was like a military kill zone kill zone Right Like that thing Is just like just completely not real. Yeah, not even remotely. Um, it's the the idea

Looking back on that I feel so happy that I was so adamant and so loud about that shit is so fucking fake You guys are idiots because that was the fakest shit in the world And there are people going that no, it's so real dude. It's totally gonna be the PlayStation 3. Oh my god. Um So stupid there there's something to be said for like the the the threshold at which a petition is is like warranted to me is Hey, you're nickel and diming us on dlc and that's garbage fix stop that stop it, right? Um things like that where you're actively doing something that's harming the audience because your medium Is one that like requires additional pay-ins

Of some kind, you know, uh That's where the act the audience can be like what the fuck hey stop You know doing this thing that's screwing us over or whatever that makes it more called for it's not quite as Weird and not I don't want to see whiny, but just like Nah, man, if someone writes a shitty story you get to call it a shitty story You get to break it apart analyze it top to bottom You get to sift through the ship you get to suggest better endings you get to do everything But everybody signed this to make someone come along and force a better like see, you know what I you know

So you know what's when I look at that you just you seem like such a fucking I think I can't imagine I like to think rather That most of the people who sign that don't actually think that it's gonna change or anything But what they're doing is showing look how many people for real Probably willing enough to put their name to paper. Yeah are pissed off about how you walk this up I mean that there's the white house thing where it was like hey if you get it at least if you get at least 25,000 signatures Then they get they have to respond to you at the very minute. Is that a thing that that was I don't know if it's still a thing

I don't think it's still a thing, but I think during at least the obama Administration if you that doesn't seem like a lot if you got 25,000 signatures to sign something in a country of like 350 million people That really does not seem like a whole lot of signatures Yeah, yeah, they had to uh, they they got at least a reply. They had to at least reply to you, right? um I feel yeah, I feel as if there's just Anyway, there's there's a there's a fine line and and and yes a lot of the time It probably is just a matter of showing that but couldn't you just

Make a thing that collected like it isn't like a petition says like it's change.org. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's not like, um The shit sucks.org. Yeah. Yeah So I feel weird about those You know, I see what you mean and I and I never and I never signed them because I'm like that that's that's stupid like It's not my thing. I'm not the creator here. It's not my job to go find somebody to replace What I shouldn't you know what I do agree with though a petition to lock georgia r martin in a room until those books are out I don't know man. He was getting real good at those trampoline games and like

Him blowing those bubbles. There's some sick bubbles in his backyard. We saw him He's killing you know what this is you know, it's funny because we're talking about entitlement. So fuck it Oh, let's talk about it. I'll talk about it again. Fuckin georgia r martin Is asshole grim what's wrong with grim? Okay grim comes out and says I don't owe you people shit I owe you the books that you went to the store and you bought and you bought and you got that book Right. That's bullshit That's fucking bullshit Because when you write a story I sell me on this one you write a story

You write book one, right and you say here's book one. How many books are they're gonna be? I don't know There's gonna be a bunch, right five. I think there's five supposed to be originally Six seven, right? Yeah Fucking game of thrones came out in like fucking 94 man I was in Elementary school when I read game of thrones and you care and I care whose fault is that? Pat no, no, no wait, let me finish. Okay. All right

Okay, me buying the second book and it's a wild asshole thing to be like. Yeah, it's your fault. You care That second book is contingent on a fairly obvious agreement between The reader the purchaser and the author That stories have endings Well and to say well once you're rich, that's an unwritten rule Look behind you right over there. See that shelf. Yeah. Do you see the books on it? I see a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what they are? Some of them

Which ones the white ones the white ones on the right side of the middle shelf I can't see it's vagabond. Okay. If you if you if you're at my angle, you could see it goes right up to 37 Right stops right there. Never gonna go past it. You're right talked about it a couple times He for whatever reason give the money back For whatever reason He can't right. He's like there's just it's not gonna go. It's not gonna go any further than where it got to um, I am

heartbroken and sad and hurt That that's not going any further You can't I can't beat the man and tell him to draw me 38. No, I can't do it I can't stand on a soapbox with a megaphone and go Fuck you. How dare you you owe me volume 38? I can't be that person And I can't even say that You promised me

this and I didn't get it and like Yeah, it basically comes down to how dare you but if that's a I don't want to make a straw man out of what you're saying So like no like detailed. Here's the thing I don't think like like I make the joke. You should lock him in a room. No, that's that's obviously ridiculous, right? but it's George you're you you have been telling people explicitly That you will finish the story And I don't believe you and then you talk about how you don't owe that shit to anybody, right?

The idea that a man who sold the rights to this story to hbo to become a chid zillionaire And is famous because of this Doesn't owe all the people who raised him up. Are you purchasing his books? Are you purchasing his lies? Like whatever he says At the end of the day, even if he was a piece of shit That just completely lied about everything he was doing in between books or whatever the fuck it was Like at the end of the day There is a basic level of this where like

Product purchased is a book. Yes, and then And then outside of that is a social contract. Yes, I purchased book one two three four five books out of seven I did not no listen. I did not purchase book one And I did not purchase book two I purchased book one of seven. Sorry. I purchased book one of five two of five three of seven Four of seven and five of seven and I only read the fucking first one

Because I was a fucking freaked out back when clash of kings was out that he wasn't going to fucking finish these books Is of seven on the book? I'm just curious. No, are they printed out? It says a song of ice and fire and then at the end of each book goes to be continued Okay, because because because the of seven part of me, right because because here's the thing, right? quite obviously the extreme version of this where Uh, like I said you soapbox and go how dare you you owe me is bullshit and insane and wrong. You're too extreme the other end of it, um Like there is something shitty

that is obvious about outright lying about what you're selling to people Slash about what they should expect from you and then delivering something else or quite simply deciding you're not interested, right? If everyone had to hold Kanye West to a candle over the ideas for what he said his albums would be over the years He'd be fucking done, right good But he's done But like he always says his albums are going to become something and then they completely turn into something else entirely, right? At the end of the day

He has never not swerved at least once or twice between what he says it's going to be or whatever but So both extremes are are are are wild and unacceptable and somewhere in the middle Obviously lies the believable compromise. I'll try I tend to find that like in the george r r r martin case like Like I said, it's it's like vagabond. It's fucking sucks, man But like a creator can in the end do what they want. Yeah, totally and I can call them a fucking piece of totally That's okay. That's okay, but you can't actually force them. No, you of course you can't actually force them But every single time they open their mouth to talk at an event. Yeah, they got to be

Because they're famous now because of the books you want to finish everyone in that crowd gets to go shut the fuck up Go home write your book. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you can call out forever on that. That's sure sure And I and I genuinely think especially if they lie about what's happening and whatnot then yeah, you can respond to that I genuinely think that if like you write book five, which apparently ends on a cliffhanger And it says hey get ready like the next day you go. Hey, I'm writing book six And it comes out That you're totally have never written on book six That people who bought book five deserve their fucking money back because that shit's a lie

Because it's just there's but there's a thing here that I feel very strongly principled on which is the same with the with the change.org shit where You are not entitled to your entertainment. No, you're not okay and um If this were the case, right Then every time You played a game on stream that you didn't finish People could call you out for not finishing it and going what the fuck are you doing streaming?

Not the game that you started every time an LP good thing. I go out and say on stream Yeah, I might not finish everything or an LP with parts that didn't get to with the ending We would be 100% in the exact same seat I don't remember george r martin coming out before book one of game of thrones and going Yeah, I might not finish these so be aware of that when you start reading them All that to say sure, but Does that one does that one sentence just out of curiosity would would a sentence like that in its own? absolve everything absolutely absolutely absolve everything why because then most people would not bother to read that book

And that is the hidden assumption that you profit off of because if you came out and said by the way I don't really have an intention to keep writing this for 20 years So if this really blows up, I'm just going to stop writing them Well, then I very few people are going to read those fucking books because they're not going to give a shit See because I don't think I don't like do you so every time you start a game in any capacity. Do you always put that up up front? No, I have that as a general statement. Okay. I for stream

I don't work on the same because otherwise it'd be like are you reporting for duty for fucking minecraft or what? What are we doing here? Like, okay. Okay, right and like On a principled level. Yeah, there is an overall expectation that when you show up here You are not guaranteed anything. You are not promised anything. So if that's fair Is it possible that he might have said that somewhere or something to that effect that you started writing those fucking books? No, but does the time limit matter? Yeah. Okay. So is there what if I once people buy in Okay, a lot if people bought the so if you hold on hold on

So if he said it now, I'm gonna play I'm gonna play devils Advocate should heal because I actually want to follow this through its logical to conclusion Uh, if he said it now, it would not be good enough is what you're saying No, okay, because then he would have to give everyone all their money back What if I could find an LP or a stream where you did not warn people that you would not be continuing it Then I would have to give them the money back that they paid me to do it. I guess Except our business doesn't work like that

But would they be entitled to call you out indefinitely in the same way you're mentioning right now until you did ever Okay, and you would be subject to that but it's different because no one ever paid me to play a game But but but but I mean the the the thing you've mentioned about like the ability to call no, I am talking No, it makes a big distinction when I Put money forward to buy something I bought a piece of a story and in some cases there are donations towards a specific Yeah, but I don't like I don't though. I am not beholden to those. Those are a preach I had the doctor death bed been kicking in five bucks

Every every week or some shit for a fucking Two years to play dragon's dogma. It's an interesting. It's an interesting thought because it directly because it but it directly does You better throw that in there But it directly does parallel Like what we do in this way and we know because we scrape up against the feeling of like There are moments when you're like, oh man Like I I know someone really wants me to get back to this thing or something and you go I don't want to get back to that thing if I said that I was gonna LP some fucking

PS2 game that I needed a uk ps2 to get so I needed 300 bucks and took the 300 bucks And then started the LP and then halfway through said, I don't know. This is kind of miserable I'm not doing it anymore. I would owe those people their money back This is more like not that so much as it is Uh, not playing the sequel in a series because we would have completed Certain the games in a certain series up until a point. No, it's not because this is one story These are multiple books. This is one story. It's a song of ice and fire on the cover. You are purchasing multiple books This woolly come on. This is absurd. Come on. This is one story

Your products are are under like literally different isb ends So So each time is every ff 14 expansion. That's still one game Yeah, and and I mean in tell to like you can you can look up a tell tell piecemeal game in that way But so you're telling me. No, no, no. I'm not saying it's not one story. It is okay. Let me let me think about that I'm purchasing pieces of a story. Yes, it is. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. You're correct. You are correct I don't want to phrase this in a way where it makes it seem like I'm saying Uh, that the sequels are not connected or something absurd like that. Yes, that is a that is a ridiculous

I'm not I'm not I'm not what I am trying to do though is the way I'm thinking about it is that these are different books You're buying. Yeah, and you're buying different parts of The whole the whole and How much you're allowed to How much that like the creator is beholden to the expectation that they're going to deliver that on social contract And like I said, you can also he's straight up said i'm going to finish them over and over and over Yes, of course, of course, of course, which no one believes the more so the more Extreme versions of this like I said make it more clear like the more someone says this is what I'm going to do

I promise I'm going to do this and whatnot. Yeah, like if For some reason the just wakes up and says fuck it. I'm out. I quit. I can't do it right everyone ever I'm dead serious Because that means he coasted on a lie for decades. That's That's that's insane to me that part That's a breaking point because if we have to get to the extremes of the example to kind of feel it That's impractical because I feel because like at that level where he's like, look, I didn't foresee this coming

I'm just not in a state that I'm capable of doing this anymore It took more of a toll on me than I expected. So who knows who knows there could be any myriad of reasons We can come up with then he can go down as history's greatest fucking monster Yeah, that's fair and as a prolific liar who fleeced millions of people. I mean I'm I'm I don't know like how you feel about the vagabond story. I've told you But this is Mira basically going Sorry, you know, and it seems like

uh, the work was Destroying him because he was putting so much into it and like part of the reason why I loved it so much was because uh, each volume surpassed the last one in a level of like insane amount of detail and What had to be obsessive? I was checking something. Yeah, it had to be an obsessive amount of effort put in um And ultimately I just I guess I just look at that and I go like I fucking There's nothing I can do or say in this situation except god damn it that fucking sucks

You know, um So, but I don't feel that I should get my money back for volumes one to thirty Let me ask you a question. The the author of vagabond. What's this guy's name? Takahiko Inoue. Inoue? Yeah, okay So the Inoue-san did he spend most of his year gallivanting around to cons and fancy events And selling the rights to vagabond to people not quite not quite And when he described that is the manga schedule, which everybody knows manga schedules are fucking brutal, right?

Fucking got to him People went probably like that really sucks. I hope you feel better But you do but you do have to take it outside of the context in you or rather you do have to go into other things like uh, uh, if you can't if you What's the what's the there's a type of uh god? I'm fucking bad at this because my memory is so shit, right? But to make this example work

You have to find something like him like an unrelated Inoue like him going to conventions or how he spends his time in that way No, so here's the thing is not connected to somebody in the chat said that that's irrelevant And that is what you think of him work because what if he writes the books in one night that is irrelevant to the Specific specificity of the books coming out. It is not irrelevant to the level of my belief In the reason That he stopped writing it, right? If george came out and said this shit's really tearing me up. I just can't do it I don't believe you george Like that that's the part that okay, right? Yeah, and it's purely about my belief of the reason and again

There's a one percent chance that he can write it in one night. You don't know Yeah, that's he could be doing he could be doing coke off of hookers Yeah, 360 days a year and then one and then bam half a week later. He's done right you don't fucking know but um There's a threshold There's a threshold point where it's like the difference between uh like

I hate Well, there's three there's one there's this sucks. There is fuck you you suck you liar Yeah, which in the extreme examples is totally still within the threat within your your bounds of what you say What the fuck you want about it? If you're especially someone who's gone all the way in if you're like a hyperfan, right? um demanding your money back is the Crossing point that I think is beyond the pale I think getting your money back over that is is

I'm sort of especially if it's something like a book that you've read that you have the you have in your No, here's the thing. I think that he should if he was a good person The example that I used like Getting funds to do a certain lp. I would I personally believe I would absolutely be beholden to give those people their money back 100% if I did not use it for whatever the fuck. I think that the same way about kick starters If they use it for bullshit, they should have to give the money back I just I would agree with that if you if you yeah If you took the money from someone specifically to purchase the game that you are going to then play on

And then I just did and you just chose not 100% so that that that is no there's no gray there The gray comes into the part where The the the the book is not the book is not being written in Like it's being written and sold to you in in different chapters. Yeah So That's where what you're paying for is either what you got or what's promised your purchase your money is not going towards How much of your purchase is going towards the promise versus what you're walking home with the quest that that is difficult But I would argue that the answer that a hyper reductionist view of that in which you say

None of the promise Is what you spent money on is ridiculous fair even if it's 99 and 1 percent fair. Do I think it's do I think it is um Likely or even reasonable or practical to give the money back. Absolutely not. That's totally absurd. No one will ever do that Uh, it has more moved into like this thing of like where In a way son, right? First of all, I'm going out of my way to use the honorific because he seems nice I don't know anything about him other than he wrote a manga that you like And uh, stop writing it for personal reasons, right George is out there the product that was promised That's pretty good. George is out there. He's he's a character, right?

and and what not And I feel like the actual discussion that I have Is this the level of sympathy towards people who don't finish their work and what their personal conduct Means based on how you've been following the story, right? So Vagabond, right? Yep Personal reasons apparently the workload was just killing him. He was he's an overworker or that kind of person something like that Like he puts too much in and doesn't sleep that kind of thing like killing him Okay, perfectionist, uh prime, right? So I find that sympathetic

personally and that sympathy Is obviously going to change my perception of how mad I am at this person Right as well as the fact that I don't read Vagabond. Yeah, right? But I think that's pretty clear, right? with George Every step you take down a certain path evaporates some of that sympathy And for me and I'm sure a lot of other people

The day he sold the rights to of the books to game of thrones where it was going to get an ending bad or not And he became a fucking rich person Is when that sympathy ended Because the rights get to do whatever they want outside of his body though. What? No, I'm saying You got to be rich. Okay off of the promise And you're rich now Okay, so you have no Financial worries in your life. You have so much time, right the fucking book, george. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I see what this is

Because here's the thing as you mentioned even if it was 99 and 1 right as we all know The truth is probably the unentertaining boring but more realistic compromise of somewhere in the middle As opposed to the entertaining extremes. Sure very entertaining what you're seeing here though Is the difference between the money you're spending on the product that you're taking home and the equivalent of The album advance that An artist gets before they make their music, right? Except it wasn't an album advance or a book advance But it wasn't it was an established famous big property

That became that way in part due to the promise or that he was then able to turn into Big-ass money. Are you specifically talking about the money that was for the tv show by the way? Yes, of course because at the same time like If someone gets paid out for their idea on something Uh in some cases someone gets paid out on an idea that's not even fully fleshed out But they still get to reap the benefits of it. I mean

Shit, all you need is kill was a goddamn short story Like nothing that like got turned into a day after tomorrow, right? Oh, no Um, that's not it. Whatever. It's a different one. Anyway, uh the the tom cruise movie. Um, So george r. R. Martin, what is he actually selling right and and i'm sure the contracts and like tons of legalese Defined that he was selling The the rights to like what? A song of ice and fire is with these books. Yeah, sure and his involvement and whatnot But I I don't I don't mean there's a legal definition and a limit to what he's selling. I don't mean to be rude

But who gives a fuck? No, seriously Who what the Oh, okay. No, who gives a fuck about the legalese definition of what fucking rights he sold to whatever The man the man starts writing a book series and says it's gonna finish as a result He gets to be super rich and then maybe decides not to finish it He should have his rich taken away then because as a result of the because it was because the fact that you're bringing in the tv show Here is kind of the where i'm getting a little bit lost in the weeds because

Now we're not even talking about the book you're buying anymore though, right? No, i'm talking about and what if the tv show what if the tv show sucked and got It does what if it sucked at after season one and got canned like in the fucking You know like a pilot out I would still feel the exact same way because i've been talking about this For nine years now when the fucking show got announced I was talking shit about george and how this was bullshit that he had the audacity To fucking sign a tv deal when he hadn't fucking finished the book and people back nine years ago

Didn't think he was gonna finish these fucking books. I just I hear that and it definitely makes sense that like uh block The connection between that bullshit and getting paid your money back for your purchases of The previous we're already way past that. Sorry. Okay. We're now at the point as to whether or not george is a fucking piece of shit I believe That if this man is not actually writing the books He is a massive con man piece of shit

And if he's actually writing the books, but his process of gardening is just one where then he just sucks ass If the creative process is slow going right and And if these things just happen to take time Yeah, also i'm talking by the way There's there's let's for people who don't know me that well or new or whatever haven't been paying attention to the lore Let's bring up. I'm a half-life fan and a berserk fan too Okay, I am so done

I am so fucking done With people Giving you a story and saying don't worry guys. We're gonna finish this is gonna be so awesome And then just deciding I don't really want to work on it I'd rather Play with my knives or idle master or world of warcraft or what that I will 100 back and blame Uh the the fact that a lot of the time

The ending slash conclusion Is the part that uh the people making the deal are concerned with the least The whole point is to sign new hotness and get it out and get it going get everyone in on on board In many cases you're gonna see a fucking whatever whether it's a manga series that starts Or like some fucking sitcom that has no idea where it's gonna go or why it's gonna last as long like if the fucking simpsons Was the promise of some sort of complete Arc no or or something. I'm saying it's not it's but but do you know what was an explicit promise to this day? It's episode three

They moved away from doing half-life three and they said we're gonna do episodes because we'll be able to get them out faster And we're planning episode one two and three episode one took like a year and a half episode two took even more And they're like don't worry guys working on it's gonna that was bullshit Yeah, that was fucking crap and it is a joke now the same way that yeah Hey, look a couple berserk chapters came out a year It's a fucking joke ultimately then uh It's you can conclude by saying that

The reasons why the next part of something doesn't come out are Based on what those reasons are will determine whether or not you're a piece of shit or an asshole. Yeah, right? um The the step beyond that acknowledgement of you being Shitty about your what you're working on or not out of the control of any reasonable person. There we go. All right. All right. Yeah Yeah, that's that's because like hey gave new all you're a bitch You told us that fucking half-life three was it's a half-life episode three was gonna come out and then you had the mother fucking audacity to get into the clan kickstarter video

Making a fucking crowbar going these things take time a game that also didn't come out Probably because you're in that fucking video and you cursed it You blind motherfucker. Just out of curiosity. Is there any version of this where someone is actively working on something the whole time and Uh for quality reasons like restarting scrapping Doing and whatnot and it actually is them spending a ridiculous amount of time making the thing That you're okay with totally And that answer is whether or not you believe that they're whether or not I believe that they're making it

Okay, and with valve I think the genuine opinion from the vast majority of people is valve saw that single player games Aren't where the money is anymore and they cancelled it after like probably three four years of fucking internal development and then went Let's just never tell them that it's cancelled like my opinion would change dramatically and my level of anger over half-life would change dramatically If they had the fucking balls to come out and say that they'd cancelled development on the game like five years ago Do you Like if george came out right now game of thrones and said yeah, fuck it. I'm going to retire I'd still think he's a big piece of shit, but I wouldn't even be mad. I'd be like wow you fucking got us

Good job dip shit. Okay, and do you remember? um I want to say I don't know how many years ago it was but It was I think you got you were talking about like the ff7 remake I was and I want to say we had a conversation where You just didn't think it existed Slash were like this a long time. It didn't and then I was like shocked that it was Okay, right. Do you remember that and the circumstances around because it because it kind of like

I'm trying to remember how that sort of came about and it was something where it was like You can only make calls based on how much information you're given publicly right and then the rest is just Praise an assumption. Okay, you know what? I've I have now figured out how to perfectly explain my feeling To me all of this is about honesty right all I want from george Is honesty and also I guess I have to believe it but right so if he really is working on the books And he dies tomorrow and people find like a bunch of manuscripts in his house

That he was clearly working on. You know what? I'm sorry george. I was an asshole however If they find a bunch of bullshit half baked fucking shit on a legal paper Going out whatever area becomes the night whatever Right and it becomes clear that he was really half-assing it He should have told everyone that he was half-assing it so that he would live in infamy until the day he died Because that's what he deserved. Oh shit, right gabe newill deserves to stand out in front of a crowd and be booed For canceling half-life episode three and he deserves to be booed for lying about that forever

and that's why They don't come out and say Well, you know as things take time blah blah blah blah blah blah and that to me is disgusting Because you're living behind this. I just won't tell the truth. No one could be really mad at me Maybe I did make it like follow allow me to epilogue that by saying that uh if jay-z was held to the same standard Yeah, uh, and then they went to look at his material for what he was working on. They would find nothing because he's One take all up here. He doesn't write down his bars. That's smart. So that's smart It's all off the dome. That's real good. He doesn't fucking you know what I mean

Well, you know what and do you follow where the dots are going here? I do. Okay. All right, so The creative process that doesn't work for fucking In That does not work for games and books the creative like it just like it just no But it literally just doesn't video games is fucking like No one's got a fucking novel up in the head. That's stupid. The concept is laughable I bet you it exists. I bet you that's bullshit if someone tells you that I bet you somewhere Someone has that yeah

Someone has that that maybe it was just a short story But someone Drafted the whole thing up bullshit sat down and fucking did it in one well good for that person But george and murah jay-z has an album in his brain sure he does Sure, he doesn't write it down He's one day. No paper. That's bullshit. No paper So yeah, and so here's the thing and here's why I turn his fucking headphones up because george Because we can't know right we can't know we're not going to break into his house and find the the documents, right?

He now currently lives in a state of pseudo-infamy in which People are begging him for the books While cursing him out in public for not finishing the books It's just the problem is that what you would consider evidence of might change depending on who or what the person's methods are You know in the same way that but then you know, let's let's go back to to fucking half-life mark laid-law leaves Fucking valve and goes yeah, that shit's canceled forever ago. Here's the what it was supposed to be

They're just not going to say it was canceled. Right? That's that's hard confirmed in my eyes So gape should live in infamy as the man who did a big lie and made everyone disappointed I Though I do appreciate his knife collection it is very cool I'll say Beyond the honesty you also want a transparency Amount which doesn't always exist with the creative process depending on who's doing what so this is this not everyone opens up On how they're making the sausage totally and it leaves you to speculate on whether or not final fantasy 7 is being made at all

or I don't know tech and cross street fighter it become it becomes more complex because the 10 might my inner Shit bird wants to say well the more famous you are the more responsibility you have that doesn't make any sense It does in here in my chest. It obviously doesn't make sense in my head clearly, right? Thank you for acknowledging that um But I don't know it's it's in that it's in that vein of Hey, you sold all these tickets and then you canceled your concert Right, that's awful

Right Musical acts it's going that those analogies like it's still going into the world the realm of um Because that's pure that's theft. Yeah, right that's theft because you paid for This thing and you were not given that thing. That's right So here's my proposal I demand that everyone who writes a book ever again that takes more than one book Has to sign a contract with the publisher or whatever or the

Whatever and in the front of the book you can have one of two things You can either have Yeah, what does it say? What does it say on the front of the book? Yeah, say uh-huh This story is not guaranteed to be finished and I indemnify myself against yadda yadda yadda yadda This book is pre-alpha. Yeah, this book is pre-alpha. Yeah. Yeah, it demonstrates a work in progress Don't buy it if you demand to see the whole thing because maybe it won't come out Or yeah, this book is in early access right now a song of vice and fire is yes Yeah, honestly your joke ass analogy. Yeah, I actually think it's dead. Yeah, this isn't this is this game

This is an early access story until the final final one is done. It's early access. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah And he should have been more upfront about that he sold it he sold an and and what's the other thing What picture of his butthole on the fucking cover or what do you what do you know? But if you if you don't finish it tar and feather you fuck. Yeah. Yeah, you throw tomatoes at them Great and you boo them. All right It's been real It's been real. I I am so mad about half-life

I am so fucking mad A game series that I don't even talk about because In the entire history of my fucking work in this industry Half-life hasn't been relevant. So why would I talk about it? Other than the fact that I'm to this day furious vagabond

Makes me sadder And hurts me more Than anything else in the realm of entertainment media. Okay, right? The only things more are the things that are not entertainment that get into real life and actual shit I should mention this is really important. This is a really important distinction because this is a mood filter on me Mm-hmm. Sure. If valve no longer existed I would feel no anger Right if that company went under

Shrug If george was broke I'd feel bad for him These things are not the case These people are drowning in cash. And so my sympathy is at less than zero But you are someone who when given no information or transparency about something. Yeah assumes that nothing's happening. Well, yeah So like unlike so like when you're talking about george gallivanting and stuff If we look at like something like say the ff7 example or whatever else where there's just radio silence entirely

You assume that it's not happening at all Occasionally, but it depends on a one core factor and i'm looking up that factor right now All right, close it out with this which is the release date of dance of dragons Which came out Eight years ago In july It's almost eight years ago. Exactly at the start of the show, right? When did uh, what's the name of the book storm swords? Or a feast for crows, which everyone you're looking for a game of thrones is the first one which is 1996 is 2000

So i'm gonna guess feast for crows is the fourth one feast Four crows feast for crows was 2005 okay, so we get Game of thrones in the early 90s. We had clash of kings in the late 90s Or mid 90s. We get we get storm 2000. We get feast 2005. He's we get dance in 2011 So maybe it's about five years each right so is he adhering to his pace? No, he's not He's about to hit eight years, which is almost double

When that happens is when i start to think that nothing exists when the when the gap between announcements or scheduling or whatever Is approaching like double what it usually is is when i start to call bullshit Or i start to ask for answers Square enix gave us an answer and they said we had to fucking throw all of cyber connect shit out So we had to start over Okay, that makes sense Hey, george did you throw a whole book out?

Because if you threw a whole book out You should probably tell people and people might ease off Uh as we get into our final thoughts here, I would like to give you a warning about a new form of What you're describing where you might not even know it. Oh, yeah, but uh, it could get worse Uh Well actually no because you're a part of you're you know berserk and you know how that's going down already sure do If you want to look at dates

You can go look up jojo and go look at uh, how long each part was actively Being run being run for yeah, and then look at jojo leon and see how long part eight has been running how long it's You know what it feels like a while You want to you want to do a quick google on jojo leon and see what when it started leon I feel like jojo leon has been out for a while Uh 2011 That's a while it's still not done Is it long or do they take is there lots of breaks? It's been going

Regularly well then what's the problem? It's not over yet But what no no no no no this is a different thing It's monthly. It's monthly. Yes. Does it hit it's monthly? As far as I know then fine Okay, because Eric he put out seven any of these hitting so there's no reason not to trust Eric

He's been doing it for decades if you get napkin scans. You're cool Are they napkins? I don't I had people haven't said that but I remember you hunter hunter hunter was where's where that guy gets sick Yes, I know and you were the police. You were the one. Oh, oh, yeah. Now you stand there Now you stand on this like oh, but he was sick you say now No, no, no, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Really bro. Let's walk back the whole sentence that we said All right, you said even if you get napkin scans, yeah, and I go are they napkin scans? Yeah, and you go no, but that's what you said I go that's because he was sick, right

That doesn't make that art any less fucking laughable Right I'm saying that he should I'm actually saying that if he was for real ill Like apparently he was he should have not been drawing He should have written it out or thought about it and drawn it when he felt more well Because putting out fucking napkin scans is forever and it's kind of embarrassing And I will not not point at those napkin scans for being fucking laughable. They are hilarious This has been a deep dive into uh, the psyche

of Whatever the fuck you want to call that of a mind goblin. This is the anatomy of a mind goblin I hope you've enjoyed And um, but yeah, I'm not worried about jojo leon cool cool I am if you if you're saying it's monthly and it's been going on for seven years though I do think there's the possibility that he'll just it'll be done Right Do you think that's possible? I don't know. I dropped off that eric. He's like I'm old

I look young, but I'm old If he wanted to start a new part, he would have rushed an ending and done it. Okay You know it's hard to say but mangaka is kind of like a title for life You know what? I mean like it really does feel sometimes like you just kind of like this is what you do for the rest of your life now You know what? I I also want to And in some cases one story. Yeah, like I think A lot of like I I mentioned money and I talked about how george and gaver rich now

Mangaka don't kind don't really get that life do they They get a steady income for as long as they hang in there that sucks Erickie should be a fucking superstar Uh, okay, hold on a second though But when you get really famous you get really good money. Masashi kishimoto was fucking rich Okay, so erickie's fucking living in a gold house. Oh the the the most popular mangaka are getting a steady income And it's by steady. I mean very good. Okay, good It's just they're it's they're nine to five

But I did I it does annoy me when I see george get this shit zillion dollars for this thing And it's like I know that Erickie is never going to get to be a super rich zillionaire and I think he deserves a lot more these these no no no no The art the mangaka mangaka whose names you know Are getting paid make no mistake about it. Cool. Uh, so yeah, that marks the end of the spoilers So you can now listen to oh, I guess it does. There you go. Feel free to tune in Oh Oh