Castle Super Beast - CSB 029: Hired Goons Delivered Straight to your Ass

Episode Date: August 8, 2019

Download for Mobile | Podcast Preview | Full Timestamps Evo 2019 roundup, Bring Me To Life Requiem, Borderlands 3 and literal thuggery, the Ooblets thing. You can watch us record the podcast live on twitch.tv/castlesuperbeast Get $5 off your first order of $15 or more when you download the DoorDash app and enter promo code CASTLE. Outro: Gusty Garden Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy Missed EVO 2019? Here's all the fighting game announcements that were made over the weekend SNK to announce new Neo Geo hardware soon Street Fighter V: Arcade Edition adds E. Honda, Lucia, and Poison on August 4 Guy leaks Borderlands 3 info and Take Two kills his channel and then sends actual PI goons to his house Ooblets devs reveal threats of violence and racist abuse following Epic Store announcement Devil’s Hunt launches September 17 for PC, Q1 2020 for PS4, Xbox One, and Switch Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft to require loot box odds disclosure

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You know, the funny part is that, like, um, my impression of someone that had to live in the times of horses, swords and shields would have so little care for the small things in life because your priority is not getting impaled. No, but that's why you gotta appreciate the small things in life. Because you could get impaled tomorrow. I don't think that's how it worked in real life for people that lived back then. I think they were very, very concerned with, like, the bullshit in front of them and the small things kind of would go by the wayside. I disagree. If you know you could die tomorrow, you got to smell the roses. In fiction, certainly.

In real life, that shit was like, get that rose the fuck away from me. What if... You're crazy. Okay, well... Anyway, hold on. I've got... I've got brain knowledge coming back to me about the Protestant work ethic. Are you familiar with the Protestant work ethic?

Um, keep working till you die. Yeah, keep working till you die because work is godly and thus moral. So that took off really hard with the Germans and the English. And I remember now when I was in a history class in university, we were talking about how that mindset never took off with the Catholics, particularly the French Catholics. So you would see economic differences, whereas the Protestants would tend to save all their money and the Catholics would just fucking spend it as soon as they got it because they could die tomorrow. But as long as they went to church every Sunday, they were good. Yeah. But if your culture was one that was like, yo, death is awesome.

Right? Embrace that shit. Oh, yeah, fuck it, man. Then, yeah, your brain is... Then it deprioritizes it automatically. And it makes it a thing of like, oh yeah, well, death's cool, right? Because I get to go to whatever version of the warrior's afterlife or regular heaven or Valhalla or whatever the fuck, regular heaven. And so you have these cultural tricks to make you not give a shit. But for somebody that was not of that and just fucking out there trying to survive, you're trying to live.

Fuck it, your brain is like prioritizing survival, you know? When you got to eat, you don't care about... It's what we talk about with any empire that was able to get to the point of philosophy was one that basically had dealt with war and didn't have to deal with it. Or made the war go far away from death. Made the war go really far away so you don't have to deal with that for a while. Yeah. And if it's coming, then you're going to have a lot of time before it shows up on your doorstep. Well, I'll tell you what, Willie.

None of these things matter because this is a goddamn anime high school isekai where you've been traveled back in time. Correct. To the old timey days. Wait, you traveled back in time? No, no, I'm just saying you as a person. Yes. And no one in that anime school has to talk about how all the students would probably be missing a shit ton of their teeth. Yes.

Smell like actual feces. Oh yeah. And hair... How is your hair looking so nice? With what gel? Don't worry, it's anime history. Yeah. Of course, we're playing a video game here.

Yes. I would like to see historically accurate Fire Emblem characters. That'd be awful. That would be really fun. That would be really fun. Just as an experiment on like someone's art page somewhere, just like, alright, so I decided to take a look at Ike. Alright, what would he actually have going on? I'm sure you can find a lot of historically accurate, highly detailed depictions of certain Fire Emblem characters, such as Tharja, etc.

The blue in the hair is actually indicative of some rare, crazy disease. Silver poisoning. Yeah, sure, you know. There'd be clumps of that beautiful lock like falling off as we speak. Oh, what is that, a big red cape? Yeah, that'll get you killed on the battlefield. That thing's all tattered up and fucked. Like just going down the line and just like everyone's got their crooked teeth.

Someone's got a fucking, yeah, anyway. And the other thing is the old people were actually quite small. Like very small. Yes, that too. Which is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard in my life. Actually, what I really love is I got a collector summary showdown box and they had like the character concept art. And when you look at the concept art for all the characters in Sam's show, they're all incredibly tiny, like short proportioned people. And I'm like, I don't know what the profile is on how tall Haomaru is, but it looks like he might be like five four, you know.

Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, that's... In history, people were small. You know, I doubt that's what the thought process was, but it would be interesting if they took that into account because a lot of the characters look really short. Ancient history is the story of people who were pat-sized. Think about that shit, weirdos. So whenever you see like... It's probably why horses and fucking elephants and shit are drawn like so fucking gigantic in ancient art because they were...

Yeah. And when you see like the guy from Bebop, I forget whether his name was Karim or Abdul, but the point remains. The guy from like... Samus Karim. Like my brain just said, oh, it's Karim Abdul Jabbar. Yeah, it's one of those two names. I think it was Abdul. Yeah.

And it's like, oh, was he like 5'11"? That's crazy. You know, that's insane. But yeah, I played a bunch of Fire Elim. It's a good game. Eager to get home and watch the new fucking Red Letter Media with Peach because, oh boy, you see who their guest is this week? Is it Macaulay Culkin again? No, no, no, it's a different guest.

It's very exciting. I won't spoil it for anybody who doesn't know. Cool. It's gonna be good. Okay, well... Oh, and if you wanna see me play video games to twitch.tv slash angry's pet, I'll play video games. Yeah. Oh, you know what?

I do have one minor thing. I'm going back through FF7. That game's pacing is incredible. It's incredible. One stream was everything to Walmart. The next stream was Shinner HQ all the way to the door. Like every hour, there is a new little adventure or side thing. That game's awesome.

Any changes to the things or predictions you made when we talked about the remake? End of that game is gonna be the fucking highway chase. 100%. Like, there's no way you're leaving Midgar in that remake. Oh, I guess I meant more so the sequels, but yeah. The pacing of the sequels. The sequels? Of everything after the Midgar chapter.

Do you remember when we talked? Do you mean FF8? Or do you mean... Are we talking about FF7? Yeah. Do you remember when we talked about where we thought the remake would start and end? Yeah, no. Well, so far, I'm just out of Midgar.

So part one will be Midgar for sure. Of course, yes. But I just mean like... Okay, you didn't get past that point. Yeah. Okay, fine. Right. So, yeah.

Started the week off playing 1980X. Which is a really, really beautiful... Police not sprite quality inspired. Oh, that's what I've been seeing show up on the fucking feed. All right. Very, very short, but great game. It was pretty much a... I want to say it was a like, hey man, remember the 80s?

You remember that? I do. It was that sort of Ready Player One like thesis statement except without being so like... It evoked the feeling rather than getting the brands. It brings it out and it goes, hey man, remember the 80s? They were great. Look at these cool games and you're like... And in Ready Player One, it's just like, dude, remember?

Remember? You're like, yeah. What else? You're like, well, I don't know. Did you remember it though? Yeah. And in this case, it was like, it's still that, but it's like... The difference here is basically...

It's still overly sincere, I guess, is the term you would use sometimes. But in 1980X, it's really enjoyable. What it is is you're this kid and you're going through a couple of different arcade games, different genres. They're all throw-ups to classic things and it's narrated by the kid talking about basically these worlds that you would enter and how the coolest people would be in these arcades and they were like the counterculture, the outside wasn't for them. We had our own thing going and it's that vibe and so you're like...

I'm not going fuck off Ready Player One kid, right? But I am going like, I agree with you, but you're going in way too hard on this, right? You're two seconds away from saying gamers rise up and then floating through a skylight. And I think you kind of just need to chill a little bit. Yeah, these things are cool. These games are cool. This world is fun. You don't need to overly romanticize this the way you're doing it, right?

Or you can, but let it do so with the visual. Your words are pulling me further than I want to go. I'm looking at it going like, man, yeah, that shit was great. And you're going, it was the best thing ever made. And I'm like, well, I'm not there. There will never be another time like that time. And yeah, so I just, that's the one thing is like if you like putting a voice to that of like, just how awesome every, it was like, all right, but it was still very good and

still super worth it. It's about an hour long tops, honestly. That's short. Very short experience. But like really just a, it is almost like a interactive movie thing, you know, in a way and just glorious pixel art quality, like really, really nice. Some fun, yeah, fun obvious references and then like stuff that's a little bit, you know, a little more downplayed, but I took a look at that, that went up on Wally versus this

week as well. So that was a fun time. I'm definitely going to say, pick it up, support it. It's fun. It's cool. And of course, upon beating it, you can just go to the game selection menu, you know, and rise up at your choosing, certainly. And of course, like, you know, within, you get those bits where it's like, oh, kids having

problems at home, parents are fighting. Yeah. Right. Let's see how that affects the game, you know. So there's like some interesting things they play with there and whatnot, where it's like, let's use these games because mommy and daddy are fighting, you know, again, yeah, type of thing. So right on 1980 X.

Yes. And then of course, Evo. I'm sorry. I'm just thinking. Did you ever fall down the fighting gold variation meme wagon where it's like fighting gold, but Kota's your sick neighbor and he won't turn the music down? I saw one for like something like that. It was.

It was. I want one of the ones that just killed me the most. It's like fighting gold, but you're playing it because your mom and dad are fighting again. Oh, yeah. Like this vicious mom, dad argument kind of piercing through the walls muffled while fighting gold is playing. And it's like, yeah, it's all the internet's so weird. I love this shit.

It's very weird. All right. Tell us about evolution. Congratulations on your your championship win at something. Once again, the curse continues, made it to the edge of my pool. Yeah, never got out. Still drowned. I thought you didn't drown pools this time.

I'm sorry, buddy. No, you got to the top of your your Sam show pool. I saw that. Yeah, didn't get further than that. That's pretty much that's that's my my limitation year after year is that's about as far as I can get. That's where my skill is. I am good enough to beat.

You're good enough to drown everyone else in pools as well. But I'm not good enough to beat the people who grinded it out to make it to the top. Yeah, that's how it is, you know, and seating works anyway. So sitting works in such a way that I'm like, yeah, that that's about right. Yeah, I feel like I'm I'm I have enough experience to, you know, I shouldn't be losing to a bunch of random shit. Yeah, somebody who clearly has done the work here. Someone who treats this particular game as a lifestyle should beat me.

That's correct. So but that was funny, though, because it was actually one of those things I didn't even know where I was at because I entered so many games, I entered seven games because I decided like I'd rather enter and then figure it out later and possibly drop out. Yeah. Then not enter and regret it. And then some people get buys if you drop out and they're like, oh, fuck it's sick. So that happens, right?

Yeah, the like the guy who beat me in Sam's show and on the loser's side, like after he's like, hey, man, can we take a picture? And I was like, yeah, sure. And then to it out and he was like, hey, I just be willing to get out of my pool, you know? And I was like, I didn't realize that was even the fuck me. I didn't, you know, so that's always a fun feeling. But no, it's fine.

The the like that, yeah. And yeah, I did get one match on stream. It was like a darling one. And the match got on stream. You did quite well. Yeah, but I all I see is my mistakes. So of course, like it was that was ugly to me. But anyway, the yeah, the the take away from that and the take away from every

evil is pretty much like one, fuck, man, fighting games are awesome to like, I really want to get better, you know? So in this case, I'm going to put up put an actual effort into stepping up my Sam's show game, especially considering the talent we have in this city, because Jimmy Bones, a friend who came on for the episodes we did here and local FGC had got ninth place and fucking crushed it in an amazing run through that bracket. So one shy of top eight, heartbreaking, but also amazing showing.

So kudos to him on that. And yeah, I'm looking forward to sparring and stepping up my game from sitting all the way on the outside and somebody who doesn't hop over on the fighting game wagon over here. The main problem that I feel like I see with you and your your training regiments on these is that you care too much about almost every single fighting game that comes out, you every every Evo that I can remember. I like you.

I like them. You will have you'll have really gravitated towards a game and then you'll have done pretty well at it. Even I'm going to focus on this one. No, seven or eight come out like right away. You're like, oh, I love them all. Yeah. And I always.

So what I want is here's the basic deal, right? In every in every game that I care about, I just want to have a character and a bread and butter. Yeah. Right. So I don't I don't want to get caught in a situation because it happens really frequently and like, especially these days where someone somewhere at some event is like, dude, come see me in this thing.

And I'm like, I don't know anything about that thing. Yeah. And we can play it, but it's not going to be very fun. You know, I'd rather be like, OK, I've got one character that I kind of know how to use and I don't know anything else about the game, but I can have some fun and play with you with that with that, you know. So that's kind of the extent of it. So like, I know shit all about unique, unique clear is what we'll call it now.

And I know shit all about Unial, but I have a Mercava that has one combo. Yeah. And that's good enough for so someone says, you'll come see me in Unist or Unial or whatever. And I'm like, sure, let's play. I can do this one thing. And that's about the same attitude that I take into my my pools as well. The other problem that I can think of is like, well, what are you doing?

Playing all these games that aren't fighting games? What are you doing wasting your time with that shit? Yeah. Well, trying to build a channel, make a little that's yeah. Well, that's not that's not that's not hustling. That's not approving your skills. So it's not what are you doing? Yeah.

So I'm I'm I'm actively going to cut into the schedule and drop something and then decide to put some training time in at least for one game and see how it goes. That was how the pools went. I got to check out a million Arthur, which had a set up there. That's that wacky ass. I want to say either like dojin or manga or visual novel, whatever the sort of bloody, melty bloody anime game with lots of source material characters from different places coming together, doing their thing.

And boy, there's a lot going on with it in terms of just like, like, like sit on the screen. Yeah. It feels a bit like you'll find a fucking screen show of this so I can be like it feels a bit like the a million Arthur Arcana blood. That's probably that's a fucking dojin game. Oh, God, the what was it called? The Yori that saw. Yes.

Yeah, Yori got announced for it. Exactly. That was good. That's what I was going to go with. He's in it and we we talked about it and I tried him out and that's a good thing. It's like a SNK heroine's kind of feeling. Yeah, you you have like three strikers that are cards and then you can pick one of three sets of that.

So you're looking at an option of nine. That's a fucking anime shit. You unlock that. God, strikers as the round goes on with all these animes and then I see them. You do certain inputs that like are dedicated striker inputs and it's otherwise it's two buttons plus what a third like just special move button. And it's it's just like what is happening? There's so much going on and yet so little.

Listen, I played blaze blue and I said to myself, I said, where's all the meters? I heard this game had buttons to press and anime to have. So then Million Arthur was created. Literally, the round fight thing is like, please make your shirt. Round set one judge. Oh, that's good. That's some good anime. And it's just the the extreme in your archsist style pre round commentary,

but not the cool way. No, pure cringe, but anyway, yeah, that's good. That's real good. It's super fucking weird and I'm not sure about it. That's where I walked away. Unsure about it, but your reason it and fighting games have like one of the broadest like genre slash tone variations between entries. You've got Mortal Kombat.

You've got Tekken and then you have the 35 different anime types. You've got the the cartoon anime type. You've got guilty gear. Then you got Arkana heart. Then you got did this, then you got King of Fighters somewhere. And it's fucking weird, but I am like, I think everyone loves the evolution of round one fight over the years, right? And I like it kind of peaked at heaven or hell.

Dual one, right rock, but like then but XX and nothing past that because the guy went, Dual one, let's rock. Instead of the guy like having a much deeper voice. No, it no, it peaked. It peaked at Hokkaido no Ken. So that's where I was going to. That's what I was going to get to next, right? Sorry, the destiny.

Yeah, but before that, what was it? What was it before the time of retribution is at hand? Battle one, decide the destiny. Fantastic. Oh, why is every round have to be so exciting? So good, right? And then you get into can't escape from crossing fate or. Rebel one, level one, level one, you know, and you're like, why is it?

Why is it a rebel? Why are we calling every round a rebel? What is that about? Then we get beat you up, you know, and it just kind of goes on from there. And we get into nonsense, you know, and you're like, look at a fighting games that don't even have a human being say a dumb phrase per round. You're like, what are you doing? You don't even sit around. What are you what?

Yeah, I mean, you know, Alpha three is always a classic. Yeah, right. Try and for die. Marvel two, the battle for survival begins, engage. I don't actually remember Dragon Ball fighters, but like there's something there, certainly. But yeah, it's the dash in, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, God, yeah.

Divide, which is the the under night one. It's really, really nuts. And of course, the pun may show boo. Yeah, that's cool. Right. Fair and square. So we get it to this nonsense and it's at the most. It's the worst it's ever been.

Yeah, it's the absolute worst. Please tell me your select is the absolute worst it's ever been. Uh, that's a weird ass game. We'll see how it goes. Um, what else? They had a giant Marvel cabinet. But when I say Marvel, I mean, Marvel superheroes. OK. And it was so giant,

you have to climb stairs to get up to the panel to play the buttons. And it's like and there are a lot of tables. It is no, it is a it is a cabinet. Yeah, that is five times the size of a normal. That's stupid. It was great. That's super dumb. It was brilliant. Yeah, it was great. Oh, great way for arcade one up to advertise their stuff.

So you had to also Marvel superheroes kicks ass. Yes, that's a good game. SNK had a booth. I bought some stuff. I had a good time there. And yeah, just, you know, hung out with the boys, did the thing. So I'm maxing the crew that our thing and I had a good overall good evil. Good fun. I'm up in the casinos. Oh, really? That's, you know, that's always fun.

Did you pay for your trip? Oh, ultimate. No. OK. No, no, no, no, no, just a couple hundred bucks. Oh, well, that's nice. It's nice. It's nice. Yeah. When you were in the airport, leaving, did you feel the urge to be like, you know, I bet I could steering other dollars? How about they fuck right off? I hate slot machines.

I absolutely loathe like they're just not at all. Anyway, they're no, they're not fun. I don't. It's so incremental and stupid. And it's just a million. But you could win sixty five million dollars in quarters. I would pay money for a patchy slot so I could sit and watch the cut scenes of the game I love. I bet there are YouTube channels dedicated to showing you the cut scenes.

I believe it. You weird format videos. Yeah, I would sit down just to see all of them. I would. Yeah, you know, that would be for me the like fuck winning. I would just I want to see the show me the adventure. The legend legend of the hungry wolf. Yeah, where does amazing new rendered Terry model go? You know, uh, yeah, to the trash is where it goes. And so from there, there was the Sunday finals,

which many announcements occurred on. And that goes pretty much right into our new non announcements as well. Some non announcements, man. I want to start there, I guess. Because what the fuck? I was there for that. I didn't know if it popped up on stream and it turns out it didn't. But enough people heard about it.

Oh, yeah. And there was enough of a reaction that everyone was like, what? I was playing Final Fantasy 14 on Sunday night and I fucking heard from holy shit. They just announced fucking Solid Snake for Tekken 7. So like I was sitting there and like me and the guys I was with, we all just stood up, hands on each other like, what are we watching? Tasty Steve is on his knees, but here's how I knew something was up. Like, so that goes down.

And I was like, what? I'm like, what went down? Well, uh, in the in the in the Tekken finals in the top eight before Grand Finals. Yeah. Like, OK, so before every what you can't see on stream, right? By the way, is a lot of fun stuff. Yeah, every year they do fun stuff in on screen in between sets. So they'll go to commercial break on stream or whatever.

The commentators will do their thing. Meanwhile, in house, it'll be like Tasty Steve or like Yipes and Lee Chung and Eli Joe on the mic. And they do things like, like you see, you see, like someone started like a little bit, a classic round of a fighting game. And then someone touches, gets touched and then it pauses and it goes, will it kill? Yes or no. And you got to vote on like, you know,

and then you see like old school fucking street fighter or like, you're just like, oh, my God, I forgot how much damage that was. Right. It's so bad. Or like Bison and CVS to like activates his fucking escrow and the camis in the corner, will it kill? Of course it will. Yeah, the fence, you know, so it was really, really fun to just to participate in those little things.

Right. So here's one of those moments where you hear it, and then it cuts to an MGS one screen and Snake is talking to Harada and he goes, boy, this is this is Snake. This is some good ass Tekken and then it goes away. And good ass Tekken has become like the running gag. Right. Yeah. So everyone completely loses their shit because they're like, what the fuck are we doing here?

That was literally just meant to be a cute thing. In fact, like someone said it was it was someone even mentioned that like it was a Markman stream notification type of thing. Yeah. And it was clearly like David Hader's voice like used in cameo because you can just get him to do things if you pay for it on this layout, you know. But they played it as like, I guess they thought it was just going to be a fun little gag, but not realizing grand finals, which felt not realizing

that tensions are as high as ever for new announcements. Everyone is excited for anything to happen and also belief is high because you dropped Negan last year. Yeah. So in a world where the walking dead can can walk right into Tekken. Why can't why not an actual video game character? Right. So that's going down. And from the place I'm sitting, the booth with the Namco, everything is happening.

And I can see Harada right there in the corner. And that goes down and we're all like, what? And I'm like, I'm like, that motherfucker, he's right there. I see him and he's not moving, right? And he kind of he's just sitting there and like, I'm like, no, no reaction whatsoever. And then after like, there's like a pause where the whole stream doesn't resume for a while because everyone's going like, oh, yeah.

And then he pulls out his phone. Yeah. And gets on it. And then he starts and then leans away, you know, and I'm staring at the screen to see what's happening, but I'm staring at him as well. And then eventually some people come and then they stand up and they have a little and then the whole group moves out of the room. And I'm like, that was not supposed to happen. I think the official notice from Bandai Namco

and Harada is that we are very disappointed and did not sign off on that. Yes, which is a very polite way to say what I'm going to infer is they're fucking super. He's very upset. He's very upset. David Hader was a lot clearer on Twitter going, you didn't ask me to use my voice for your dumb prank. Don't do that. I and again, in the context of a cameo recording,

it's a much smaller scale production, but for a large production such as Evo. What? Yeah. So also, David Hader is not allowed to be solid snake without the permission, right? So like he could have also gotten in trouble if Konami thought he recorded lines for solids, you know, like promoting other games. Yeah, he said, yeah. But ultimately, it was just extremely poorly thought out

because it's like, how did you not think that everyone in this room would think you were just about to announce a character in the game? Yeah, right. And furthermore, by the time that set concluded and, excuse me, everyone was sitting around, I had already constructed a move list in my brain as well as everybody because I was sitting there next to a true underdog gaming. Shout out to them. And, you know, and and and Simmons and stuff.

And I'm just sitting there and we're all like, OK, so CQC. Yeah, he lays mines. Yeah, right. Dragon of style military shit. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? You're creating an idea that no matter what they announce, everyone's going to get disappointed. Good job, Zafina. Or at the right, you know, or at the very least,

like you're just watering down, you know, like the announcement they're about to make. And they were very happy that they didn't have any leaks. Yeah. While, you know, certain other companies did. Big leaks. Yep. Anyway, so oh, yeah. And like God, Austin went up beforehand and introduced him.

And that was that was funny, too, because there was barfights the night before. And we were basically there's we were looking at like what events to set up and so they had like a Microsoft versus like the world in Street Fighter Four and like a crazy Marvel two set. And somewhere in there was like a booked event for like me versus Austin to play like Puzzle Fighter and then like Street Fighter Four or something. OK. And it was just like it was one of those bits or is just like.

As time was going on, it was like, you know what? This is not the right time. Some insanely high Marvel just went down and some insanely high like stuff with Mike Ross is about to go down. We would 100 percent kill the vibe with our dumb shit on stage. So that was just axed. That was probably for the best. Yeah, you know, Ryan, Gutex, shout outs, thanks for everything.

You're cool. But yeah, it was just like, no, let's let that that, you know. So the things moved along and and and and the event the event remained hype without us deflating it entirely. But nonetheless, we got to see, yeah, yeah, that that sort of like snake thing, not pay off in any way, shape or form. And thankfully, what they had to announce was still pretty exciting and hype. But that was a weird ass moment and the entire room, like I like I said,

I saw that go down and I'm like, something's wrong. And then. Right. Some things clearly wrong. And then it was like and Max was up there at the time as well. And it was just like, you know, dude, what do you know? It's like, no, no, no, no, that doesn't seem like it was supposed to happen. You know, and then in that gap of like five minutes, it took for them to get back to the game play.

Yeah, people were getting yelled at, you know, I can. Oh, I can just imagine. I'm and it's extra crazy because Harada was not only there. He was a he was in the tournament. He the Bandai Namco people were in force. Yeah, it's like, it's not like it was a dumb joke. And then they got a phone call the next day from some accountant or whatever. It's like, no, Tekken Man is here.

He saw you if this were any other tournament. Yeah, literally any other place at any other time. You might have had plausible deniability of like, we just wanted a high stream announcement. Yeah. But this is literally where Negan got announced. This is the same like time frame in the same arena. This is where crossover guest characters are the new hot thing. Yeah. In every single fighting game.

It is the worst possible version of events. What were you thinking? What was your course of action? Yeah, so anyway, that that went down. Then there's proper real news. Yes, actual things happened. So before we get into that, we'll take a quick word from our sponsors.

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put your arms underneath the backpack behind you. Well, the backpack, yeah. So that your body and face are not protected from falling, but the food is. I did tell the story years ago. So there may be a lot of new people that don't, that were not around that time. But there was a martial arts club back in the college we went to. And there was a dude who was a boxer and did get challenged by another dude who said that he knew Ninjitsu.

Uh-huh. And. Is that crazy, Alex? Was that different ninjitsu? No, this is a different ninjitsu, man. OK, this crazy Alex was just like crazy Alex told people he was a ninja. Yeah. And he'd dress up like it and he jumped inside of the middle of like gym classes.

And yeah, acted the fool. But he was just it was funny. Just dumbass. Yeah. This was a guy that actually said that he practiced and learned and as he went up against the boxer in the club who was like, all right, we're doing this. I guess, you know, and as the round starts, he puts his hands behind him and does a full on Naruto run pre Naruto run meme, by the way.

Yeah. This is before Naruto running caught on as a thing that the average person was aware of. This is I doubt that the average person is still aware of this. Well, now that Fox News is explaining to you what it is, right, they are aware of. Oh, man. But this was before this was pre dub. Yeah, right.

This was back when you were still going to a real true believer. Sub so subs only and he ran with his head forward, his head down and his hands behind his back and he looked cool for that one second before a hook connected with his face. And that was the end of that. And it was just, you know, it's it's one thing to a lot of weird like anime club type people show up and just start lying about everything. That's right. And I get to meet these people and interpret very quickly what the deal was.

Right. Yeah. Whole lot of people that lie a lot, yeah, met through those places because they want anime to be real. So I got really good at detecting, you know, that bullshit. And not many of them follow through with it to the point where they actually let the bell ring because it's like, oh, you're not lying. You believe he believed it. So I guess, you know, yeah, that's a whole not a liar, a whole different level.

Yeah. Anyways. So let's oh, yeah, he believed it. You guys are right. Yeah. That's that was before believe it. That's the joke. That's before believe it. That was back when it was that day by oh, which I still don't know what that means. It's just that day with an added ending for flair.

OK, customized because you can do that. All right. You know, Kakashi has one too, but it doesn't really work in English. So there's nothing to it. Oh, yeah. But in Japanese, Kakashi has a specific ending. Things that he used on his sentence. Yeah.

Japanese. That's fine, Bear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure thing, Ribbit. Oh, it's the worst. It's so bad. It's so bad. Whatever you say, animal people.

Yeah. Um, technically, Jotaro doing that is also that that's it, too. Right. That's just Charlie Brown. Sure. Sure. Yeah. It's trying to kick that football, but somebody keeps time stopping it and taking the football away.

Yeah, people are wondering what Kakashi's was. It was Degosaru if you go back to that. Anyways, announcements for fighting games. All right. There were a lot of them you might have missed. Well, he formed some form of packed with something. We're not there yet. Oh, we're not there yet because shit got announced on Saturday,

because if you remember, there were some top eights that went down before the Sunday finals. I don't even remember. Exactly. So let's take it from the top. All right, let's do it. So first thing of significance that got announced and it's really just a soft confirmation in the form of interview was when on stream, the cannons did confirm that Riot Games

is in fact working on a fighting game. Via the purchased radiant. Yeah. So the guys that made Rising Thunder and and everything continued to work on a property. Yeah. So rumors of its demise are unfounded and thus defeated. They're working on something. I think the way I saw it was an article that was like the worst

kept kept secret in fighting games. Yes. Yes. It's like, yes, I had assumed they were still working on it. I heard they weren't. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I heard they weren't from like like some different places. And then I was like, oh, that fucking sucks because they acquired them. So what happened? But turns out it's actually happening. That sounds like they made a restarted development

and hooray for untrue rumors being untrue. Like that one I saved to my phone that we're reading through. By the way, before Reggie showed me this rumor list, right? From a 4chan post. And I'm like, this he's like, it sounds like it sounds like it could be legit. I'm looking through. I'm like, OK, there's some things here that are that sound a little bit sane. And then it goes into Kazama Kiryu for Tekken.

And I'm like, this is no, no, no, no, no. You're showing off like it's not impossible, but we're getting into that wankery territory that we get to when someone puts Gino on a fucking list. Yeah, every time. And then I got it. I read Gino on it. And then it says like Sarah Bella for for Uniclear. Shut up. And I'm like, what are you?

What are you doing? Right? What are you doing? And then the last thing on the I'm like, this is fucking nonsense. Like, dude, like I'm like, this is it's approaching the Gino level, right? And then the last thing on the list is Gino trailer revealed for smash into the trash. This goes. Yeah. Right. But I'm going to save this so that I can show it to you and point out how bullshit it was when we confirm that none of this is real.

Yeah. Because the fun thing for leakers is they get to make a leak list, bullshit it. And then when the announcements come, everyone's too excited about the real announcement to remember the bullshit one. Yeah. So you never have any sort of payoff or not pay off. You never have any comeuppance for just writing bullshit. You just it's just that kid that came in and said, oh, man, I smug, my dad works at Capcom and he saw the new characters and but the new game comes out

and you're too busy talking about the new shit that's confirmed to think about the stupid kid that lied. Yeah, you know, he said that kid in the old days had a name. Now it's everybody leaks anonymously. Basically, you knew not to listen to him ever again, like the guy from the same club spaces. Yeah, that said that he knew the plot to MGS three before it came out and that it would consist of riding, protecting a baby.

Yeah. And from the patriots and whatever. And listen, man, the way he knows is because Konami employees, specifically from Koji team came to our college and worked to learn English here here in Montreal, Quebec. Yes, they came to a French city to learn English. God bless. Listen, dude, I just if your life is so empty that you got into talking to them at the racetrack when they were taking the photo of him to be on the cover of that racing magazine.

Not that person, not that that's a different person. A completely different liar. Get the fuck out. Completely different. Why must I put that fucking club space? Like the one that did the Naruto running and the one I'm describing now are not the liars you're thinking of. Oh, my God, different. I'm talking. When I say plural, I mean. I'm hearing at least four different people in my mind now that plural.

Wow. A lot of people show up to put anime. People show up to anime clubs and I guess they think the way to impress everybody is by like, like having info that no one else has, because you become more important. So then they start buying into bullshit and then they have no way of backing it up because the future will prove you're a liar, but they didn't think it through that far. So then they just go with the bad plan. Don't go with the bad plan. Tell the truth.

Anyway, so yeah, the end of that fucking list being Gino, by the way, every time, every time is like, all right, well, we're done with you. So anyways, right confirms. And now whether or not that is going to be League of Fighters, we will see. But goddamn, I hope it is. I think it's a thing. It might be. It might be. Yeah. But would you not want the infinite cash money dollars

that comes from a League of Legends characters fighting game? No, right. Infinite money dollars are going to be spent on this regardless of anything. True. Now, before Overwatch was announced as Overwatch, if you said like a new thing or Blizzard All-Stars, people would have went Blizzard All-Stars. It's what we know. The irony there is pretty telling. Yeah. So here, right?

It might just be new thing. But the problem is Overwatch was a safe genre choice because yeah, it was like one that a lot of people already liked, whereas fighting games is fighting games. Yeah. Not as many in that on that boat. So I would hope that fighting games can benefit from the the coattails of League of Legends, yeah, as opposed to like Riot trying to stake out its own new fighting game franchise here,

simply because I really want fighting games to ride the coattails to bigger numbers. We got we got a Grand Blue that already has pseudo infinite money coming in. From from Grand Blue fantasy. Psygames. Psygames. Yeah. Yeah. OK. And then we got fucking we got this thing. It's got that Riot money, that that bad employee treatment money.

That's good money. Bolt Radiant is. A different company that's inside of them. There's hoping. You're hoping they aren't being a Tetsuo'd right now. Next, Arksis came out and revealed at the top eight for Dragon Ball fighters that Geneva was coming.

Yep. So the leak was real. Yeah. Xbox leaked this like six months ago. They'd super fucked up. They showed a trailer and the trailer also ended with a movie Blue Gogeta trailer. Yeah. So cool. Um, you know, whatever. I we talked enough about the roster choices and the Goku problem.

But it is cool to see that Geneva is a good pick. It's among my favorites to pick. If you like weren't already ignoring the same girls. Did you see the addendum thread? Somebody made about how many Goku's there are? There are like 35 because we forgot about cow. Ken, we forgot about the various intermediate states of Super Saiyan

Kaioken and Super Saiyan 1.5 and 2.5. Yeah, and all that crazy shit. They're like buff muscles. They're like control. They're like 35. Sure. It's fucking stupid. Sure. That's just dumb. Still don't understand why nobody did the mystic thing on anybody else. Just do the mystic dance on everybody.

They all get stronger for free. And then when they get stronger than that, do it again. It just takes time. Yeah. So, Geneva and then eventually the Broly at the end of that cross tag battle did its finals early in the morning. And they announced with their Oh, shout out to Brooklyn, by the way, for getting, I think, 13th in that game. So that was pretty awesome as well.

Like he did really good. They announced Senran Kagura was joining and the Blitz tank. Would be making its way in alongside you can tank alongside Akatsuki. So Akatsuki. So I'm fun because it's the sprites from Unio, yeah, but it's a guest character already. Yeah. So why not just take that and then bring in the fucking Blitz tank, which is the easiest character to make because it's a single 3D model

with one rotating part. Yeah. What a good pick. So you want to represent Akatsuki Blitzkamp. You bring in Akatsuki and the Blitz and the Blitz tank. Yeah. And we're done, right? That game looks like Mugen now. It is quite hilarious. It's not going to happen, but I really, really wish they brought in Fritz.

That would make me so happy. Oh, who knows? More. There's more characters. There's more characters coming, right? So the extra diamond joined the formation. So, yeah, the Senran Kagura girls are there as well. Who knows? Maybe Daidoji can show up. Who the fuck knows?

Right. Like, that's that's the girl Jotaro. Yeah, she's really cool. And then, of course, we have the finals of all effort. Yeah, we're going with Arksis. So then we have what we saw in the form of wait, no, Uniclear. That's right. Uniclear was announced. Yeah. What is what is what is that? Under Night Inbirth EXC Late CL-R.

OK, so it's just CL-R. Those aren't extra words. Uncle. Uncle. Uncle. It's Uncle now. Uncle. Uncle. Yeah, that sounds fucking nefarious. Well, I'm going to go slap some Uncle-er. You want to play Uncle-er? No.

Yeah, you do. Fuck. No, I don't. I brought a set up. Not. They announced that it's going to be a balance changes and then a new character, Laundreka. People are saying unclear. Unclear. That's fine, too. That's that's seamless.

Incessity. We can go that way, too. But there's the CL-R. There's no letters there. Whatever. Yeah, more Ruby characters in in in Akatsuki and sorry, in. More Ruby characters in BB Tag and new version of Under Night. So confusing. So there's that. I really appreciate that. There's a lot of fighting games have bizarre titles.

The Union, the Unclears have made zero, zero efforts to clean up the name of their game at all ever. French bread loves stylistic English. That has no meaning to it. No meaning. Right. None. It's almost Tolkien-esque. They appreciate the sounds that the mouth makes with no concern for the actual definitions of what they're saying. Yep. Oh, that's amazing.

So then we got SNK at the Sam's show. Well, here's the thing. So because Street Fighter was supposed to have their announcement, which was, of course, preempted. By Valve, they had, yeah, the steam accidentally leaked the fact that I Honda, Lucia and Poison were joining the cast. Lucia, in particular, is fucking I'm like thumbs up on that pick. That's a fun one, because as a Capcom lore mark,

I'm way into digging deep and pulling out someone from Final Fight three. Uh-huh. That Final Fight love continues. Anytime they need a spot and they don't have one, let's go get Final Fight. Let's go grab a Final Fight capture. Not haggar. No, not haggar, but grab another final fight. Yeah. And boy are there between Abigail and fucking Poison. And it just just all in there, right?

Like though we're getting the whole roster slowly, but surely Lucia, in particular, was one of what was a great character. It wasn't Dean. No. And nobody nobody's thinking about her remembering Dean with his scrap dunk. No, but we do have a burning kick, Lucia. New design, eh, a little bit cool on it. Cop girl looks all right, I guess, but I liked her older one. And it's like the Arlene Sorkin impression she's gone with massive

Metro City accent, Metro City, Metro City. Yes, not Brooklyn, Metro, Metro City accents. Don't mess with the MCPD. Yeah, coffee. Don't swap those pizzas. So like a cup of coffee. So that dropped and the alternate costumes look really cool. Poison, I think Poison is one of those ones where the moment I saw the new design,

I'm like, that is clearly really cool in art form and it didn't translate to 3D. I completely. And I saw a sketch of it and I was like, fuck, that's 100 percent it. Yeah. Poison's new form, new, new, new style looks way better as a sketch than it does in 3D. But the other models, rather the other costumes are fine.

Yeah. So the one in particular where she's got the giant shades on them, it's like, yeah, just go with that. Yeah, right. So they turn her into whip. Yeah. Yeah. No more riding crop, full on whip and whip cancels.

So mid range zoner, always a fun thing to deal with. Can't wait. Yay. Ivy. I feel bad because I looked at that. Right. Street Fighter Five continues to exist. I feel literally no excitement towards it at all.

I was more excited for seeing Unique Clark, clear uncles get announced than Uncle Clear. Yeah. Uncle R. I'm, um, it's nice that Honda joins. I like Lucie as a pick and I like Poison as a pick. I made a joke that Mike Ross can finally start playing Street Fighter Five. OK, so like when we were at Barfights and he came out

and he's like, yeah, so based on this week's announcements, a lot of people are asking a lot of shit. And. Anyways, who wants to play me in Street Fighter Four? It was quite fun. It was quite fun. I love Mike Ross, Mike, Mike Ross Ross, the man himself. Oh, that is his nickname, isn't it?

It's Mike. Open quotation. Mike, Mike, Ross, Ross, yeah. So anyway, but no, I'm glad with all these characters, though. I think these are good picks. And three makes seem like they're done. We'll find out. We'll find out for sure.

Oh, God, there's that piece of fan art of like a Makoto fan dressed up like Makoto holding a sign going like when they're just like season two announcement, yeah, with the glow sticks. Season three announcement, yeah, season four. And then glow sticks on the ground. Oh, oh, well, although as much as as big of a Makoto mark as I am, I would rather see the characters that didn't get a chance yet. Yeah.

Also, Makoto is one of those characters. Like she'll never be like she was the third strike. No, no, for sure. They would they would definitely like like calm her down and make things a little bit more sane, which is like, which they already did. But yeah, like I mentioned Oro, but, you know, there's Remy, there's Sean, there's much characters that haven't gotten saved.

Sean, I said, Sean, no, I'm just like bring Sean in and save him from his current sure. Ignomious state. Yeah, let him get the good DP when he activates his V trigger. Oh, man. That's it. That's it. He gets the good one.

He's a trash character, but he gets V trigger really easily and he's really good at the feature. It's one bar. Yeah. So anyway, that's that's the Street Fighter stuff. Yen and Yang, we are like, but like I'm done, man. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like anyone like if the characters that should be prioritized

are the ones that were not in Ultra Street Fighter, I was done with Yen by the time I played my third match at Third Strike. And the people who didn't get a shot, right? All those people. Yeah, Hakan, I could get some love too, right? That's fine. But ultimately, I think it would be like because five from the outset was about getting the characters that didn't get into

Ultra Four, right? Like Karen hadn't shown up in a while. Birdie hadn't shown up in a while. Armica was gone. Yeah, right? Everyone you got from the outset of four were the ones that didn't get into the last game. You're in, you know what I mean?

Like so you well, you know, but then they throw in like a jury, for example, because fan favorite. So yeah, like just let's continue that, you know, let's continue acknowledging the characters that exist that haven't gotten love. All right. So that was Street Fighter 5's announcement. It leaked.

So next came SNK, where they announced their Samurai showdown lineup, including Rimuru, the Nakaruru sister, little, little ice, ice version. She has a fucking corner 50-50 that'll kill you, if you guess wrong. So God bless. She was playable on the floor. It's kind of nuts.

We already had too many Nakaruru's. Yeah. Then there was Basara, the spinning blade shirtless guy. Yeah, he's cool. He's he's cool. He's he's always fun. Kazuki coming back. I love how they show off everyone doing their moves and

Kazuki is just burning up. I love it. Not not his brother, not so gets you by the way, just Kazuki and then Wanfu as well. Yeah, then they dropped that Shizumaru was going to be coming in September as well. And that's a little what should we call it? Dude with the umbrella umbrella kid, you know, and one of

the best idol animations, just kind of doing a little dance third strike style. So that's fun. We got that going down in Sam's show. Very excited for that season. And I'm going to be playing. And oh yeah, of course, Mina joins as well. The Archer from from Sam's show five.

All of her buttons are arrows. So that's going to be a nightmare. Enjoy the zoning, but she's probably going to die in like two hits. Yeah, that's good. So we'll see. That was Sam's show. We also got a logo for King of Fighters 15.

That's it, huh? Yep. They're making it. If it looks better than 14, which it most assuredly will, they will have fixed their issues. Yeah, I agreed because Sam's show looks great. So there's that. I completely agree.

Okay. Okay. So then we can jump ahead to Soul Calibur six. They announced Cassandra. Yeah. And of the returning characters. One of the few that was like missing. I'm not.

I'm like, but no, because Sophitia was there. They're different. I know. But like you say missing, but it's like, they wouldn't they go with like the like Soul Calibur one roster than like Soul Calibur two here and there. Yeah. Kind of thing.

She's from two. Yeah. But yet no, no rock. Still no bang. Rock was a palette swap. Cassandra was a legitimately different character. He's a different character. No, he's not nearly as different as Cassandra was to Sophitia.

Um, I'm not an expert. So I couldn't tell you for sure, but I definitely can tell you that rock and asteroth were like seek freedom nightmare. They're different characters from each other. Yeah, I know. I don't like rock. I like asteroth. Sure.

But you're, you're underselling how different they were from each other. Yeah. One was good and the other sucked. That's not the point. Is it? And I'm not talking about good or bad. I'm talking about difference.

Yeah. They were different. He was different. Therefore, you know, bring him back. You want to put good characters in your game? You, why did you chat? That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not having that discussion.

Cassandra is good. Okay. Anyway, so Cassandra was announced. That's cool. Um, and then they showed off the season in which they also teased how Maru from fucking Sam show joined in that cast. So who from Soul Calibur gets to go live in fucking? Well, I don't know if that's going to be the way they do it.

There's been no guests yet. Yeah. But I can't wait to see, um, Mitsurugi and how Maru both going with their spinning blades or both of them doing the spinning weapon flip style. Unblockable overhead slash or both of them doing the sort up poke poke poke or both of them doing the forward slash. Huh.

Like, I hope that guess what? They have the same moves. I hope that how Maru has different buttons that that fit. Sam, I show down instead of Soul Calibur. I want how Maru to have a heavy slash button. Um, yeah, that's just going to be forward horizontal. Okay. I hear you, but he has that game has ABC kick.

The other game has a B kick. They're going to just put it on the button. Huh. Uh, and then they announced that, uh, yeah, there's two more, two more characters coming to that. The Soul Calibur six lineup. They weren't even planning on doing another season at all. Yeah.

But the fan response pushed it and was, it did good enough. So Calibur is good. Yeah. Let's do it. So that's fun. Um, and then of course we got the teaser for the new season of Tekken, which Harada walked down and proceeded to troll the shit out of the audience like four times in a row.

It was goofy. He like showed up and said, sorry everybody. We didn't leak anything though. So kind of ignore what you saw earlier. All right. Goodbye. And he took ono scroll of apology to read it out and then walked off stage and then he walked back on.

They're like, are you ready? And then they showed off the new trailer and they're like, I don't know. I don't know. Actually, no, he walked back off and you walked on and go, oh yeah, wait, Tekken World Tour. We're doing it. It's going to be really exciting.

Everybody. Okay. Bye. They're like, ah, he walks back and he goes, are you ready? And then plays this. And it was the video featuring Zafina who a underdog was actually asking for. So like that was cool.

She shows up. She's got her big old beast arm. She's got a gross arm nightmareing all over the place. So there's that looks more like Lisa Lisa now as well. A little bit. Got her orbs and whatnot. And she's like, as far as I know, she's the only one that didn't come back from six, right?

I wouldn't. I guess. I guess it's in seven one credit. Wow. Fuck. So yeah, that was it. She's got the Azrael or Azazel or whatever arm. Whatever the fuck.

Azazel. The ice dragon. She's got the dragon arm. Oh, she's got the beast monster on my arm. And then a Christy Monteiro. Is that true? Wait, she's there, isn't she? Kunimitsu was in tech and tag too.

Anyway, whatever. All right, moving on. And then, of course, there's a lot of second care. We got the T's for Lee Roy Smith, the man who came back to Brooklyn after his family was killed or whatever and is out for revenge. His fucking character like character design is the best I've ever seen, but his story makes zero sense at all.

He's the final boss of life is what someone described. And I like that. I like that. Also really, really fun to see him practicing some good old Wing Chun on the fucking, you know, like on the spinning dummy. And like, I'm like, I did Wing Chun as a kid. I learned my forms.

My Paxels and my family. Well, or, or am I going to manage my family or do I just need to sit here and wait and watch how that works as you. You're going to tell me how bring me to life. Requiem works. Oh, I thought you meant like you're not going to become that character by just sitting there. I'm going to sit here and let my stand do its job.

Yeah. And slowly turned me into fighting games. No, no, no. Well, fighting games are turning into you. You're not turning into fighting games. Yeah. So that show that I do called get into fighting games. Yeah.

So how about that title? Y'all, y'all thought, y'all thought a little differently. Well, anyway, that was a really fun time. I enjoy that. That was really, and not just for me, but also for all the other woollies out there, including the Brennan's of the world and the hell pockets of the world and the unruly Kenny's of the world.

All of us dread heads. It's a good time to be a dread head. I appreciate that in this little corner of the Internet, everyone's being really fun about it and like using me as like the reference point, but amongst them, it's them to anyone who's like, yo, look at this old pockets, old pockets showing up. Yeah.

Or final form of the showgun. Yeah. Or of the sit master. You know, whatever dread man you are personally most familiar with. Exactly. Exactly. So he's old.

He's got the sunglasses. He looks so fucking good. He looks really cool. Time to go sunglasses. I didn't see the full render until this morning, like on the way here. And I didn't notice the heads like this amazing cane. He's got a cane.

He was walking with it. Yep. Yep. He is a blind fucking man inspired. But his family died or whatever and he left to go learn martial arts and then he comes back like decades later to take revenge against who? I think old people.

I think it might also be a reference to the last dragon. It might be. And that's what they're kind of getting at. Is he show enough? He's not show enough. Okay. I think he's Bruce Leroy. Does he have the glow?

That's what he has. Bruce Leroy. His name is Leroy. Yeah, his name is Leroy. Come on. Yeah. Right. Coming back to New York to fucking take revenge.

Like that's what they're going for. Right. Yeah. For a second people thought and I thought I'm like, is that Eddie's master from the prison break section of the That's like a hobo looking Brazilian guy. And it's not at all. Yeah.

It's not. Like, is it Tiger from the future? Yeah. And then no, no, no. It is just it is punished Bruce Leroy. Tiger from the future is Eddie Gordo. No, they're both the same age. What makes no sense.

Tiger and Eddie. Wait, hold on. Is Tiger even a real person? Tiger with the Afro from the dance future. I'm saying he like, I was like, what if Tiger came back in this form? You know, wait, did you say the dance future? I did.

Is that real? We don't need to. Okay. We don't talk about the dance future. All right. That's fine. So what we have here is now this fucking badass that immediately piqued the world's attention.

And that's great. Of course, of course, my phone was on fire. Yeah. And as it should, because that's one of those things you have to embrace. And I pretty much told I told Reggie. I'm like, straight up, make it my epitaph, put it on my gravestone.

I am fighting games on this day, you know, which spread far and wide enough that a bunch of people who have heard of me, but don't know why I said that. Yeah. Didn't get it and got really mad. Oh, yeah. Because it's out of context. That seems like something like Sonic Fox should be

shouting, for example, or low tier God. Not some random fucking scrub from from the internet. You know, so, uh, yeah, but, you know, whatever. Enjoy that. That was a good time. Immediately after that, we got up and left and walked out because, you know, at the end of the night, Tekken was over, thus Evo was over.

Uh-huh. Right. Right. We laughed alongside a lot of people in the audience and were piling out. Yeah. And then we hear a state. We hear a stir, a commotion.

And, uh, I'm like, what the fuck? And then someone's like, yo, pull your phone out. So I immediately load up on Twitch and I see the, uh, Bandai Namco rap. And I'm like, oh my God, earlier that day when they showed off the early, the, um, sorry, the ArcSys stuff. Yeah. When they showed off Blitz tank and so on, they said we

have one more announcement later in the night. Yeah. Stay tuned. This is that. So they're on stage and they're going like, uh, cuts to the Guilty Gear trailer. Oh, oh, that game is the most gorgeous thing. The most gorgeous thing to continue the Dragon Ball

Art style that I have ever seen. One glad Guilty Gear is continuing the Dragon Ball Art style. Uh, it is actually like, like when they have that moment where I'm like, am I looking at, did like, did sin glow up or did Kai just fucking cut his hair and get, get, get, embrace hot boy summer. Yeah.

You know, um, and I'm going to, I'm looking at the start. I'm definitely, I'm going to say it's probably Kai, but that's Kai for sure. Um, dude, like the smoothness of when it zooms in on his face. Yeah. And it's just 60 frames per second.

And it's just, and then back to, to, to soul. And you're like, this, this is the best looking fighting game ever made bar nine. It is something special that, uh, I mean, there was a recent video. Fuck. I hope you remember the name. Cause I don't.

This guy, uh, he's a friend of Jeff's, uh, made a video detailing how the Guilty Gear and DBZ art styles actually get made. In fact, I retweeted it, uh, uh, not too long ago. Yeah. Um, and it's, um, uh, somebody who the fuck, I'll pull frames plus new frame plus. Okay.

Cool. Um, and like anime does 3d models sometimes. Right. Yes. And it often looks really bad. And, or if it looks good, it looks like 3d models. Right. This is a new art style that only Arcsis does and no one's

even trying to catch up to them. They're, they're so far ahead of everyone. And to be honest, like the one holdout I always had was like, in terms of just like making the qualifying statement, I was also bait. I was always holding onto the fact that person, I'm not persona. Sorry.

Uh, King of Fighters 13, just absolutely like blows be away with their sprite work. Yep. You know, and the quality of that this is going to, uh, yeah, but, um, in this case, I'm going to go ahead and say no, no, the 3d has surpassed it. Right. I'm their 3d.

This 3d has surpassed it. This 3d only. Yeah. Yeah. This is the only time where I can go like, no, the work you're putting in here is actually more impressive. I think grand blues not quite there, but it also looks stupid, gorgeous.

What sorcery are they casting? They're so far ahead of the way like, Hey, look, samurai showdown looks good. Tekken looks good. Right. Tekken gets to be safe from this because it wants a realistic look kind of thing. Right.

But like they are an order of magnitude up in gorgeousness in their fighting games over everybody else. Yeah. That blood magic you're referring to is called softy mage XSI. I guess, uh, it's a 3d program that came back in the day. 3d was pretty much coming to a pretty much came down to 3ds max and Maya.

Yeah. And then eventually like, like Autodesk and what not bought out multiple companies, smaller things came around like a Z brush and stuff like that. But the point is that Maya bought out. God, it's so pretty. I'm sorry. Um, Maya bought out a softy mage and then every kind of

forced everyone to keep using Maya and arxist sticks with the old program and just masters it. And this is what you get. The level of like, like I'm looking at these clashes that we're seeing and I'm wondering, right? Like how are we, how much of the game now is going to have these little cinematic moments mid fight, every super, every dust, every stage transition, every round start, every round

finish, you know, and in the meantime, you're just enjoying what might as well be a 2D game. Yeah. Because they go through all the trouble of like making sure that you can barely tell it's 3D until we really want you to feel it. You know, even the zoom in on on Kai's face, it doesn't look like you're zooming in on like an expensive 3D model. It looks like you paid an animation team to do that one

cool hero shot of the hero's face. Like it's, it's unbelievable. Yeah. I want to shout out storm your your hot storm your hot for saying guilty gear proves once again that master stylization will almost always murder photo realism. No question every single time. So on top of that, there was an interview with Daisuke where

he said, we're thinking of making this guilty gear a little simpler to play. Really? Yeah. I didn't catch that. Yeah. Hmm. It's like there may be too many meters and systems.

Hmm. Guilty gear is fine. I would appreciate toning down guilty gear a little bit. I think it's, I think if you as someone who is trying to literally become a bridge for people into fighting games. Yeah. I understand this topic so much as you must know. Yeah.

Believe me when I say if you actually scratch the surface and give it a shot guilty gear is fine. So I agree with you to a point. It's not that bad. There's bad games out there and I will readily call them out. The guilty gear systems just give it a try. It's not that badly. I agree with you.

But at the same time, I prefer the feel of like XX back before some of these new ones. Okay. But I mean a lot of people like a lot of old school players are like your accent core or deaf. Right. Yeah. Some old school players.

But those games were insanely complicated as well. This is like excerpt is in many ways a simplification. So like unless you're talking about just ignoring systems that exist like those games has absolutely more systems than than XX. Blitz shield like adds a bunch and but like the ways that you use like Roman cancels, right? Like the colored Roman cancels are there.

But in the old games, you were just using it was just a Roman cancel, but whether you used it offensively or defensively or a burst offensively or defensively, it would still have different effects. They just were called the same system. Yeah. And in this case, by having a different effect, they gave it a different name.

You know what I mean? So barely. I'm saying like, okay, like I didn't put enough time and excerpt to follow you on this because like in XX and accent core, I felt that I could follow the generalized systems and then you had your per character shit. And for excerpt, I really felt like there were tons more new generalized systems as well.

I promise you that if you just take a look at the general tutorial, not even the crazy one, I went through all of it. Okay. You just didn't remember. I didn't remember. There were there was more. I'm I'm certain also danger time can get the fuck out. There's anyone like danger time.

Danger time can get the fuck out. Right. Danger time can get the fuck out. But Exord basically walked you through things that the older guilty gear didn't walk you through. And I promise you that if you try like older guilty gears didn't have that tutorial. So if anything, your impression of a simpler game simply came

from not being introduced to those mechanics. What you're looking at is the game deciding to show you these things and explain what they are or versus in the older game, they were there. You just didn't know them, you know, and the game didn't walk you through them. But yeah, like old ass guilty gear is fucking more complicated, dude, for sure.

But invisible tech, of course, doesn't hurt you because you don't know it's there. Yeah, it just feels like bullshit. But yeah. Anyways, so all that to say, if he's simplifying it, it's like, all right, I guess, you know, the people that like love it and crush it and memorize it and breathe it will still always do what they do.

You know, but I think the level that it's at danger time can get the fuck out. But I think the level that it's at is actually fine. You know, I definitely don't think you got to do too, too, too much there. The thing I really like about guilty gear and about archsys choices and BlazBlue does it as well is I like character specific systems.

Right. So I like when you take ideas for systems and you make them on the characters design as opposed to a universal element. Yeah. It makes everyone more unique and more fun. I agree. So it's the one it's like it's the one grand strength and biggest downside of like DBZ fighters in that those

characters don't support that at all. Yeah. Like so they're all universalized. Well, DBZ fighters like like all those characters are built to be a fraction of a full character. Yeah, they're built to be one third of a full character, you know, in terms of like moveless in some cases. Like so they all needed on a team.

YRC needs to go. Nah, I love YRC. Y'all need to stop. YRC. Yellow Roman Cancels. Which one's that? That's that's where you like that's a neutral Roman Cancel where the game slows down.

Right. It slows down. Yeah. Where you pause time. Okay. It's our world though. Okay. That existed in Accent Core.

Roman Cancels existed. Okay. No, you answer that slow down time Roman Cancel existed. Roman Cancel existed in Accent Core. Roman Cancels did not slow down time, but they they effectively did the same thing. Okay. But fully effectively and actually are different things.

Okay. Because we just got off a thing where you're telling me the old games had. Old games. No, no, no. So here's what it is. Here's what it is. Roman Cancels were Roman Cancels before.

Yeah. Right. And there were different types of Roman Cancels. But in this game, what they did with Roman Cancels is they made them much more obvious and clear of a big deal to simplify. Because before what a Roman Cancel was, was a straight up FADC.

Yeah. Which is returning you neutral. At max speed. Right. At which point you would then convert it into whatever to optimize, do extended combos and so on. Right. The YRC system, making it a yellow Roman Cancel.

Okay. Which you do in neutral or like a, there's RRCs which are red Roman Cancels. Right. So it's based on your, whether you're like, whether you're cancelling out of a move or neutral or whatever. The point is, is by adding that to it and making the game go, ching and slow down, it made it more accessible because it makes

it more obvious that you did that system as opposed to before where you could just blink and it's gone. I feel like I hit a moment just now or I'm like, I have been out of fighting games for long enough that I am identifying a lot more than I used to with the people just on the side because I can barely follow what the fuck you're talking about and I feel dumb. Well, let's put it a different way.

You know, Darkstalkers. No, no, I was able to follow it, but I'm just like, it used to not be a struggle. Okay. Darkstalkers has no pause when someone does a super. Yeah. Thus making that game way more brutal. Yes, it does.

Because they just happen and you just die. Yeah. That is the difference between YRCs and old RCs. Yeah. Right. So anyway, um, yeah, that doesn't need to go. That needs to stay. That's great.

What, what I don't, what, what should go is them eating your inputs. If the timing is too, is, is like right as you do something, it's like a little bit wild with that. People use them to eat your inputs and it's crazy, but whatever. Guilty Gear is so fucking good. And what I would love to see is if the system simplifies, then add depth to the character specific mechanics for sure.

Yeah, I agree. All right. Like that. It's not a game. I will say this, that like, like a lot of the stuff that we're looking at, just to reiterate, it's, it's, it's, these old games had tons and tons and tons of stuff built into them with each revision.

And, um, they didn't always really put them out there in your face because it assumed that you were, if you were crazy, you were on top of this because you were playing the game. You care anime because you care. Yeah. And Guilty Gear just decided to kind of like open up the pages and show them to you. And, uh, once you know they're there, they're very good and

they're fun. They're not very, they're not overwhelming, you know, but you have to give it an earnest shot. You can't wait for it to kind of like do it for you. A post, uh, I got on Twitter a little bit ago. He seemed to have a lot of reach. We probably was a guy fighting him out of that. I don't recognize what he said.

You know, DBZ fighters never clicked with him, but if the matchmaking in that game had worked for like the first couple months that it probably would have, and man, I really hope the new Guilty Gear goes back to like fucking sit at the cabinet shit where you could play games. Yeah. Um, Guilty Gear, uh, rather, uh, cross tag battle came out. Okay.

Oh, Jay Viscant. Yeah. Yeah. Viscant is, uh, he's a champ. So he knows what he's talking about. Um, the BB tag came out after and it went back to the cabinet style. Okay.

So the cabinet style online lobbies remains the superior one because, uh, Grand Blue Fantasy came out or rather the, the demo came out. Did you touch it? No, I didn't. The cabinet style. Okay. So Dragon Ball not doing cabinet style is the only game of the

set. Like a test or something? See if they could do it the other way. I think they, they might have not like, because it might be possible that like, uh, Bandai or whoever works with Dragon Ball wanted characters to face off each other in like a ring. Yeah, maybe. And they wanted you to walk in and somewhere and create a

ring and then approach somebody there. I remember when Ultimax came out and that had that shit. It was trivially easy to just get match after match after match after match after match. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Yeah, they did. They, the ring mode of DBA DBFZ was pretty much not as clear as it used to be.

And it didn't work out in my opinion. Um, it was way, way better in all the other ARXIS games, but I think DBFZ also like ARXIS was not the final word on how that would play out. Also, man, they need to implement rage quitting shit. Yeah. For sure. In Dragon Ball, it's absolutely fucking bonkers.

I mean, any, every fighting game at this point needs to, you know, deal with that. But yes, so all that to say that, uh, extremely excited to see where that goes. End of the teaser goes by. We see all the credits and then we zoom in on a samurai in white robes with them gray dreads and then a crazy tech Oni mask.

Like a, like a Evangelion head. Evangelion, uh, mass produced unit jaw. Yeah. But with like a cyborg ninja. Cyborg ninja top with Kanji looks sick. Jet stream wolves. It's so good. It looks incredibly good.

I don't know how many of you guys out there, uh, caught this, but looks pretty similar to the dude that just showed up in Tekken. Doesn't extraordinarily similar. Yeah. What's up with that? That's interesting. Fuck off.

Max, I'm pretty sure he put the video out already was watching the trailer. Yeah. For Lee Roy Smith and, uh, Harada was right there and then the guilty year announcement came up and Harada came up behind Max and went, Hey, watch this. Right. And then they watched it and he's like, Oh, wow, this is cool.

Yeah. And then dude shows up at the end and Harada goes like, they look pretty similar. Don't they? Fuck off. And what does that mean? What does that mean? And he's like, uh, he's like, he's like, he's like, I wanted you

to see, I wanted you to see that. What do you keep? We just came up right behind him. And specifically the fuck is that dude? What is that? Something's going on. What's happening? The back to back reveal here was clearly intentional.

Something's up. Something is up and he straight up all like he basically like again, he walked up to him and went, Hey, notice this later and piece the fuck out. What does that mean? What does that mean? We'll, we got to wait for a name, I suppose. It's Lee Roy.

Yasuke Smith. Yeah. What's, what's that mean? What does that mean? It means the Smith family continues into the guilty gear future. It means when all humanity is over and we have nothing left but gears and I don't know, dude, who, what, who called who to do

what? It means where that man is Kazuyo Mishima. Shut up. Alternate reality portals. Maybe who fucking knows, but I don't know. But either way, there's some wackiness with that. And I suppose we'll find out apparently Max redacted his statement.

Did he? What happened? Apparently Max misunderstood and he heard Harada wrong. Oh, I didn't catch that. I just spoke to Max after it happened. Oh, okay. And he went, dude, you're not going to believe what just happened. And I went, what?

And then I got told that. Let's all just comfortably blame Harada. Don't ask him for shit. Don't ask him for shit. You know the deal. I can't believe he entered into the tech and tournament. Of course. Isn't, isn't that unethical?

The producer of Dragon Ball entered Dragon Ball. Isn't that unethical? Daisuke runs salty sweet games in the salty sweet. But no, it's fine. It's more than fine. I just because you're that guy doesn't mean you're going to actually win. If he got to top eight, I'm like, he would have, he should

have walked out. I'm sure he would fucking just walk out. Yes. Yeah. Or no fucking go on to win and then be like, here is your official winner because I cannot accept the blah, blah, blah. Or, or do a random select pick or just make it some wacky shit. You know.

But yeah, anyway, of course you didn't check. Yeah, I didn't catch the update when the video went out because two days ago I was talking to Max in person. Sorry. I didn't catch that update. My mistake. All right. If I'm wrong, then I guess Harada was just pointing out that

they look similar. Probably. Is that what we have to go on? Chat corrections. Eager to correct. What do we got? Let me take a look. Yeah, people are just saying yeah.

Okay. Let me see if I can find that real quick because I'm legit curious. So yeah, Max had his video. And this isn't as fun in a loud crowd. I swear. I heard Harada mention the character was related to Leroy from Tekken. However, upon editing this video, his mentions were more towards

how the characters look like they could be similar. And the moment it really seemed like they might have been related. Can't wait for more guilty reveals. Hopefully it took a game show. Gotcha. Okay. All right. Sounds like they got to him.

Okay. So yeah, Harada speaking the truth. He was just, he just came over and said, hey, take a look at the, like they look similar. Okay. Gotcha. Well, um, damn, I was getting hype. That was a, that was a wild idea.

That would have been really fun. Either way, then it is just pure coincidence. And the, and, and the, the fucking, the put woolly and or woolly. Definitely a better character reveal than fucking bad man. As in Travis touchdown. No, bad man, bad man. Yeah. I think he said bad man.

No, no, no, bad man. Bad man sucks ass. He's a loser. He's pretty good as a character. Oh, sure. I think he looks lame. He's super weird. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh, I was going to say something else about, oh yeah, I just know whatever. Anyway, so from woolly bait existing to just woollies existing is a good time. I enjoy that. So anyway, that was that was a robot samurai. What if woolly was old? Yes. To all of the above.

I really hope his name is Yasuke. Yeah. Really cool. It's really, really cool. If so, it'll probably be some lame lot rock and roll reference. Also, the tech on his face mask and stuff remind me of come here a bit. So I'm kind of wondering if anything like that is connected or not. But anyway, the old robot.

I know. Okay. Just trying to think of a joke and say, will they not all robots remind me to remind you of calm? Got it. Did you? Yeah. Nailed it.

I'm killing it out here. You know, you nail it when you say you did every day. All right. I'm a child. Sometimes every time that character comes up, I go, the character's name is come every time. Literally, I'm fucking stupid. All right.

So dumb. And that was Evo. Oh, yeah. Guilty Gear knew going to be wired or guilty Gear wired. That'd be funny. Oh, our wife or ex ex or double excerpt. Whatever they call it. I don't know.

But wired is a fun pun. Oh, that'd be good. YRD. Yeah. I would like it. I'd like it a lot. Anyway, is going to be playable at the Ark Revo 2019. So that's actually in like two, three months from now.

That's not that far. Confirmed for PS4. Shocker. Thought it would be PS5. It'll be for PS5 also. But I definitely expect the probably yes, maybe maybe version two. Yeah. You know, but I definitely thought don't think about this for the rest of the generation

was my was my my thought process. Spider-Man spoiler cast. I don't have any of that in me. I don't have any of that. That big credit thing was amazing. Yeah. I got that's fully deflated. So I needed to say it to be perfectly honest.

Okay. So after that, SNK announced in Neo Geo hardware is coming soon. Don't know what that means. It means a Neo Geo classic, doesn't it? Well, it's going to be a modern design that will connect with the mini. What? So we don't know exactly what that means. Sounds like nonsense.

Hardware being made. Definitely not a real competing console. Yeah. It's not that of your mind. You want to put it out? Good. But I do appreciate that like Neo Geo is kind of back and that's pretty cool. We also have really quickly Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft all require loot box odds disclosure.

ESA says platform holders will rule out new policy applying to new games and updates that would add loot box features. Oh, it's a step forward. It's a weak ass step, but it's a step nonetheless. It is a step towards what China was kind of enforcing already. It's a step to dodge legislation. A step towards China. Yeah.

Essentially, loot boxes can exist, but you have to disclose what your percentage of getting your most valuable items are so that you know exactly what each choice is. Yeah. So the people who are not quite as affected by gambling schemes can pull themselves away when they see that it's fucking stupid. If it's in the 0.0th percentile. Yeah. So yeah, all platform manufacturers doing that.

Really good decision. PC of course remains up to the developer themselves because what are you going to do with that? And Apple did that a couple years back with iOS and Google followed suit with Google play requirements earlier this year. So pretty soon you're going to have to have your own client to hide these things. Basically. Everywhere else. In only certain countries.

Everywhere else will mandatory force you to disclose loot box percentages. So that's good. That is a step. That is a step. Kind of came together. I want I don't want to say fast, but it all all companies dropping at the same time is like a whoa. Holy shit.

A meeting was had. Yeah. A meeting between represent three reps, their lawyers and an ESA rep and their lawyer can't happen when somebody said we're going to get super fucked. We don't do this. We have two other stories. Well, but let me get this fun one out of the way here. Yes.

Did you watch the trailer for devil's hunt? I did not back in the day. It came out a while ago and now it's got it's coming out soon. So they're like showing more of this game off. But it's this fucking it is jank ass. Yes, jank may cry and it's fun. And it's the guy with the with the with the burning face thing. What the fuck that is.

Okay. Well, jank may cry. Jank may cry. It has all the all the the trimmings of like action game with hero normal default man. Oh, I love him. But hero normal default man has an evil devil arm. Oh, he does. And then when he uses it to get into the demon fights, it's like super actiony and stuff.

But it looks like he's about to fall out of world at any given moment. Oh, no. And I am very excited to QA this game. Oh, yeah. Because I suspect there might be a bug or two worth exposing on stream. So devils hunt. Jank may cry coming to PC September 17. I cannot wait.

I'm very excited. Just PC. Oh, no. Okay. Everything is just PC. That gives me an extra dose of jank. One twenty twenty for the rest. September 17 for PC.

Oh, that's going to be fun. Gonna need to wait on the rest. Wish list it. All right. Wish list it because it looks broken. Yes. Yes. Preemptive jank getting on that train.

All right. So now we get to the less fun news articles. Yep. Should we start with the less fun? Let's start with the least fun. Considering everybody in our chat is screaming at us to get to it. Oh, I was going to go. Okay.

Least fun. The least fun. All right. The least fun. All right. Step one disclaimer. Don't be jackasses. Fuckers.

Stop it. Classic story here of Epic and the exclusivity buyouts. Hey, we bought a game. Same story we've been telling for weeks. Over and over. The only difference is this time around the developer behind Ublitz kind of clapped back a little bit by kind of going like, hey, look, what Epic is doing is really great for the devs.

And I would say they didn't clap back so much as they clapped forward. Sorry. They clapped forward perhaps saying that like this is extremely beneficial and like you guys are that are going over the top with like your hatred of this. Yeah. You guys are being silly and kind of just swinging jabs and stuff like that. I would say that the overall tone of the post was condescending. Very condescending.

Epic dude, whatever his name was. Tim Sweeney. Kind of went like, yeah, that's just hilarious. It's just funny. It's super funny. You guys are very mad. People were not. People were not amused.

Right. The internet clapped back. As the internet does. Very fierce. Most of the people fighting out about the game for the first time with this post and it's spread. I had not heard of the game ever. I'm the similar.

Yeah. That's when the first time I heard about it. And then, of course, as everything does, it's the internet. There's no limit to how far the clap will go and then it goes too far. Yep. So now we're reading the last update to the article in which the Ooblet's Dev is describing the fucking shitty death threats and just over the top extreme messages they're getting from random people telling them to fucking die in

shame. It's just like, fuck, like, does it always have to go that far? Well, people don't have limits. No, but it will. It will every time. Right. And that, that sucks. That sucks that that always goes to.

I'm genuinely torn on this because when, when the original non-violent de-clapping back was happening, this is simpler to talk about. Yeah. Right. And it was people who put their money in on like a thing. But then again, it also explained to that. I'm like, you know, there's parts of it where it's like the Patreon, for example, that there was there, there were statements about their Patreon where it's like,

we don't owe you anything. But like there was the Patreon, what should we call it, pledges. Yeah. Oh shit. Whoops. I'm like, but apparently didn't actually say like this is for the game. Yeah. Right.

People bought putting in, knew that they're putting money towards like a thing. It wasn't about, if their expectations, blah, if their game, if the game wasn't promised with those pledges, for example, and that's different from if it was. And that if you're saying that you're taking that away from them. And that's why I focus primarily on tone because I think the best summary of this is I was somebody saying, I can't believe people are mad. All I did was custom rig a character in my game doing a floss animation to tell them stay mad haters.

Right. Like it was their post was absolutely intended to condescend and annoy and inflame people who they thought were stupid or who were going to be mad at them just for going to a big store. And for what it's worth, it's the opinion is pretty much still held in the sense that it's like, it's a store choice that everyone's getting mad at. Right. So what I mean is it's like, do I think that people should be going this hard on them?

Of course not. And I think that's immoral. I don't think any of you should do anything nearly similar. Yeah. But the internet will always go too far. And I hate that. That is a thing. At the same time, I feel torn because because the blowback is so overblown.

It makes it difficult to talk about how this is a situation where they put out an announcement that was specifically crafted to inflame people and piss them off. And then when people got too pissed off for their liking, they're like, well, uh, well, it was more, I mean, too pissed off for their liking is one way to phrase it. Like irrationally pissed off is another way I would say because like, like again, as the story progressed, there's a point where it goes from, yeah, I clearly disagree with you on the way you're doing this. But again, at the end of the day, a dev can do what they want with their game.

And as we've maintained, or at least I've maintained that like, it makes perfect sense for every developer that is neat, needs to guarantee sales to take this deal. I totally agree with you. What I'm saying is, is, did you read their, their whole statement? The whole thing? Yeah. They come off like fucking assholes. They come up like stuck off their own fucking ass, assholes.

And then you look at the, the steam forum where they're telling people that it's still coming to steam like a week beforehand. And all the social meat, like they come off like fucking dicks on purpose. Yes. I agree. That first statement was a really weird and shitty way to know about announcing your epic work. Got put in to do be that big of an asshole because they thought it was funny.

Yes. And while the irrational, immoral response to that is irrational and immoral, the pat, the fact that people turn around and go, you guys are assholes is totally expected and almost intended. Yes. And the, that's, so that's why, like the, the, the, like, I like you were saying, the reason why it gets weird to talk about this and everything is because there's a point at which the, like you said, like, yeah, the clapback, so to speak, was like, fuck you,

fuck you. Right? It's like, yeah. And like those two guys walking across the street from each other, walking to each other's face and going, fuck you, I'll give you, and then crossing the street and right, right. And yes. And that's about on point for what it should be. But then it goes further when it goes further, you know, it goes off of the original topic,

which is, hey, don't do, don't like, you probably shouldn't announce this type of news for your game in this way. If you don't want everyone to get super mad at you, right? But then you also have to go and then end that story and start the new one, which is, here's the screenshots of how shitty it got. I have issues with people, and this is not just companies, but people that intentionally rile people up and then freak out when the person gets too mad. Right?

Right? Now I'm not talking, I mean, be very clear. I'm not talking about I annoy you and then you punch me in the face, right? Because that's obviously too far and bad to do. But when you are trying to inflame people and make them annoyed and pissed off, but then they become too pissed off and then it's a disaster, there's a certain like, I'm not going to say comeuppance because that's not accurate, but like it, it loses me some sympathy because all they had to do was be classy.

That's it. All you got to do is have some class. Yeah. So it's like you're choosing the antagonistic route and then what's your And then people respond with antagonism and then there's no bottom and you go, I didn't want antagonism and you go, but you did. You just didn't want this much and the problem with that is like, that is a statement that you also have to go.

That's not saying that what came was deserved, but it is saying that like there was, there's an initial point where a bad idea was followed through on and now it's at this fucking place. Let's take me for example, right? So I like the original version of this story when it first happened and I threw it in on the dock. It was going to just be simply, okay, so you went about it this way and then what did you expect here? And then two or three updates later, it becomes a lot less funny.

You know, you were going to say. So let's take me for example, I have been known to occasionally say things to royal people. Really? Yeah. Occasionally. I will say wrong things. In fact, that I know we're wrong because I know it will annoy people, right?

Now if somebody were to say threaten to murder me or go super ham with like the violent mean things say or whatever, I would of course look at them go, you're being a crazy asshole. Don't do that, but I'm not going to be confused. I'm not going to be shocked, right? I'm going to be like, I will think about myself go, maybe I shouldn't do that as often because I'm aware that some people are fucking stupid and can't control themselves. Yes. Yes.

That's sorry. Like that's kind of what I'm that's kind of what I wanted to sort of get out in that way. In conclusion, response not deserved, but expected pretty much. And riding people's annoyance is a delicate line. And to that I would say, read the room, maybe, right? Like if the Epic stuff was unknown, unknown, this was the first one, this would probably be fine and nothing really bad would be happening, right?

But it's not people are people are in a kind of permanent state of annoyance. And some people are just constantly a rage. Have you seen, I think mom is the one that the termed it, which was the epic versus steam thing is basically the console wars, but way dumber. Yeah. Have you seen these people arguing and in threat? It is the worst dumbest epic steam shills. It is so stupid.

And the level of emotion on display is so absurd. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely, I'm sure there are developers who Epic is, you know, buying copies out of who are epics paying out on paying out that like share similar sentiments and are kind of like, man, I really wish everyone didn't hate the situation as much as they did that probably, you know, didn't say or do those things, right, or go in that direction. I think if there's a probably a I don't know what would be the ideal form to get that opinion

out there while also that's happened. There have been devs that have come out and be like, look, Epic totally offered us where they'll they'll pay for like the all projected sales or lost sales from other platforms. That has every everyone that came out to announce that has said, Hey guys, look, this is an astonishing deal. This deal deal is way too good. They've all said that. Yeah.

What I mean is the people that are that that have the opinion that they're like, you guys are overreacting to how bad the story is. Yeah. Right. They're like, how do you get that point across as well? If you want to communicate that, I like, I, you know what I mean? You like you can word that argument in a different way. I guess that's my even though I disagree with the set, the sentiment completely, there is

a way to. I mean, our friend at the show, Randy Pitchford, said that, Hey, listen, when Borderlands three got on that way, he talked about, Hey, listen, I know the store is bad right now, but Borderlands three is going to launch on the September version of that store, which will be very different. It will not be different at all. It is exactly the same. They just missed all of their development roadmap goals in the past two months.

Yeah. I think a good rule of thumb in general, if you're in any sort of public type of position such as where we are right now with these microphones and cameras in our face, hello, is to pretend that even though you're trying to communicate to someone who you assume thinks similarly, or is an at least the same galaxy is your thought process, assume that you're also communicating with the craziest asshole out there because I can do that. You probably are. I can understand what it's like to be the craziest asshole out there and use that as

your like measuring stick, right? For how you handle the rest of what you're going to say when you live in the public sphere, they're always playing to the cheap seats, always, always, are they? Are they? Is the crazy asshole in the cheap seats? Hell, yeah, they are. They're in the bleachers and all they can see is who won their wrestling match. Now they're going to get their pipe and go beat some people.

I guess so. I guess so. Yeah. And like, it would be an idealized, better version of like the world slash internet. If you didn't have to think about that, no, but that's not the way the world works. Come on within the sound of my voice. Yes, you person who is crazy and is the person that we're talking about and is still a fan of this podcast.

Stop that. But they won't know. But try just don't act on it. Be crazy inside. Don't act on it with your inside voice. Keep it with you. Keep it with your inside voice. Yes.

Yes. Exactly. That's it. That's it. It's not deserved, never deserved, but certainly expected because fuck man. You know what it makes me think of? And I and because the scenarios are different and because human beings are involved, I don't get the same like Shub and Friday about it and I don't get the same smugness.

But it reminds me of those fucking kids at the San Diego Zoo throwing rocks at that fucking tiger because the tiger can't hurt them. And then the tiger hurt them, right? Now people are not wild animals, except it's not the zoo. It's the wild Savannah. Because the tiger was in its own natural habitat and you went to visit it, but also like at the same time. Well, no, hold on.

Does that know that? Yeah, but people. I don't know. The point I'm making is people aren't tigers. Yeah, people are people. They don't have their own free will, but but you understand that there is danger in tossing the rock. Yes.

And like the the sentiment that it's like, like, you know, a game dev can do what they want with their game. Of course they can. And, you know, doesn't owe you anything unless they actually do, unless they actually do it. If they are financially tied to you in which case they do owe you something that does kind of complicate the the analogy a little bit. However, in the case that they don't like it still is remains that it's like, well, anyone

is entitled to do what they want. And I'm entitled to think what I think of you for doing that thing. You know, and in an ideal world, we would all just be like, man, these guys are dumb asses. Yeah, I'm not going to buy their game. Yeah. And that, you know, and that's that. But it's not ideal.

Nope. And with that, I want to once again live in a world with Halo fans in it. Sorry, I don't know why I said I just felt like you see that fucking screen shot of the dude losing his mind about speculation before Banjo got announced that Banjo would be in it. Yeah. And basically screaming that no, no, Steve from Minecraft is way more iconic. Way more.

No one gives a fuck about this dumb old bear and bird. Steve all the way. Steve all the way. Steve is in. Steve is in. Steve is in. Steve, like the level of damage we're talking about here is severe. And that person can talk to anyone in the world.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, no, I was going to say, Halo guys, I'm just busting your balls. I was going to say the way I want to end all of these stories, right with the it's not even a reset the clock, it's epic. Just fix the store.

Just fix the store. Just fix the store. A lot of this is just going to go away. It all goes away. It all goes away. You fix the store. It all goes away. The reason why it's, it's a powder cake because people are just kind of unhappy.

Fix it. If the store wasn't a shitty store, then no one would care which one would just be on that one. Right. Because that's the other part too, that kind of comes up is like, hey, it's like it's not like exclusives have been a thing elsewhere and it's like, yeah, they totally have. There's exclusives on other consoles. They have been for a long time, ultimately.

Could you imagine if like, let's take it the same way and it was like an indie dev did the same thing, same announcement, same everything, jumping from like the sequel of a game from Microsoft to like, let's say Bayonetta 2 had Kamiya doing like a condescending video blog about like suckin haters or whatever. We need the money to make the game yada yada and people were mad about that already and the Wii was a real console that existed. A lot of people are very, very mad about Wii exclusive Bayonetta 2, which it's like, hey, they're paying for it.

Right. That was the whole thing. But also, right. And then there's the play. But then what about the things where it's like, yeah, but the Wii is not sold here in my country. Yeah. Oops.

Games are not available for purchase. Therefore, I bought this, I pre-ordered this thinking I'd be able to get it and then it turns out that I can't, right? The level of complication that comes from this is a little bit more in depth than just a simple console switch on that because they're literally people that are like, yeah, now that it's on the Epic Store, I literally can't even purchase it. Yeah. The currency of my country is not supported on the store, which brings us back to fix the

store. Fix the store. That's it. So. With the money you paid the Ooblets people, you could have fixed the store. Don't be assholes. Don't it. Don't be assholes.

Fix the store. Consumers. Stop it. Yeah. You want to move on to another don't be assholes? I sure do. Don't be assholes companies. Well, this one's going to be even harder to enforce, but what the fuck?

Supmato is a YouTuber who has been following the Borderlands. Apparently he is a big old Borderlands fan and basically what happened was is that Borderlands put out this thing that was announcing their Twitch app extension. And in that thing, there were some screenshots or some bullshit of stream, people streams, which if you went to them had videos of Borderlands shit in it that had details that had not been leaked out, right? So this Supmato man made some videos about, hey, there's some shit I found. By looking right specifically how it was found.

And this is really important. It was not the kid playing Devil May Cry 5 where the screen cuts to black and he goes, oh shit. Oh, you can see my whole living room. Oh shit. It was a trailer that had a literal Twitch account that then upon going to that Twitch account, it linked to other Twitch accounts where there was content. So all that was unannounced, all you needed was eyes and fingers to type, right?

Take 2 did not like this. So their response was, let's say it was heavy handed. They hit this Supmato person with seven DMCA takedowns. Still within the realm of plausibility, pretty extreme, but sure. They take down that content that's not supposed to be seen yet. They killed his discord, because it's been involved in possible nefarious activity. Officer, did you really have to shoot my dog? And then they sent Goons to his house.

Now hold on, what do you mean by Goons to his house? Take 2 hired the services of two individuals from a private detective agency to go to this man's home, which they found his address. And then discuss with him, hey, what do you know about Borderlands? Hey, where'd this come from without the presence of, you know, the lawyer or private detectives are not police. So they get to have some nice wiggle room. That's Goons man into your house.

That's Goons. Now in the video that he talks about describing this, he probably should not have talked to the Goons. No, I would agree. And I'm sure a lawyer would tell him. But how many people when deer and headlights moment happens, well, he describes that he was very tense because two men in suits showed up on his lawn. Of course.

Going, Hey, man, what's up? That is a cause for many people to be very alarmed and nervous and not sure what to do. And in retrospect, you can see all the things you shouldn't have done. Yeah. And at that time, I challenge anyone to make the perfect decisions. Apparently, the the the the literal thuggery. What appears to have been occurring is they seem to have been worried that he got it from an internal source.

Yeah. And they wanted to, like, crucify whoever in the company. Let this out. Yeah. But fucking one, you're hiring private eyes on people in your own company. So if the shickets are you crazy and two, what the fuck? This guy's a borderlands mark. This guy loves borderlands.

He's a community figure. Point at the leak. Fuck you. Shut up. You don't do this. Yeah, exactly. So it's crazy. Yeah.

Now that this has happened, of course, we have an example. Therefore, you can automatically have this as a reference point in your head for should anything similar ever happen in any way, shape or form, you close your door, lock it and call the fucking police. Hey, there's some scary dudes at my house. As this was it happening to him for the first time and probably this is the first time I've ever fucking heard about PIs showing up over video game leaks. Not everyone is going to have those first instincts, especially when you're just concerned

about what the fuck is about to happen. So you know, it would have been a really nice way for them to handle this. A phone call, an email, you know, a letter from a lawyer, sure, even sure the way most other companies handle this type of situation, a literal, like a legal representative contacting you to tell you, go fuck yourself through legal terms, sure, and not two men physically showing up at your address, which they somehow have and knocking on your door and interrogating you to find out what you know about this video game. And maybe that's not the best course of action.

This is some dystopic company is bad. So, you know, all the Randy stuff, all the Randy stuff was really bad and some people were like boycott Borderlands because Randy bad, right? This is this is a whole order of magnitude up of like absurdity. They just released the Punch Girl trailer. Yeah, I wonder, I wonder why the timing on that was so. She's got the big glowing punch fists. She's a cool character.

So I'm in a situation where it's like I was still going to get it with all that Randy stuff. And now I am genuinely unsure if I'm going to support Borderlands at all. Because this is so it's so dirty. It's so bad. Yeah. When is it ever actually this bad? Certainly. And and I mean, and it's like it all and it does it like of the thing it crosses into territory that you personally fucking loathe like not unlike the messing with food shit, you know, of just like, what are you doing?

But the idea that a company whether big or like, how do I put this? Because Take Two is huge. Yes, they can use the money and means to find out where you live. Totally. And a small indie company might not be able to do that. Or a single person that is a developer. Like, I don't know. Like if a fucking like Toby Fox or something was just I'm like, it's just that guy. Yeah. And he's like, yo, I'm going to find out your address and whatnot.

Like you're like that beast. What? Right. That's not cool. But the idea that it's this giant company might make some people think that it's sort of more OK, because it's not not not more OK. But like I'm having a hard time trying to put this into words. Like an individual finding your address is doxing. Yeah. Right. A giant company using their firm to find your address is still doxing.

But it feels less like it to people and it shouldn't. It should actually feel worse because why the fuck is this giant private like organization have that information to begin with? You know, that's no good. It's it's fucking wacky. That's step one was we know where you live. Actually, step one was fuck your channel. Step two is we know we know where you live and the guy took his fucking Twitter

down probably to avoid it getting killed as well. Yeah. So, hey, Sufmato. You seem OK. Hopefully you bounce back after this shit. Got a lot of eyeballs on you now. Yeah. As a result. Yeah, like everyone's saying it is worse.

But like a small guy is doxing, a big company is quote unquote business. That's that's the disconnect. You know, that's the fucking disconnect. But yes, it don't send goons to people's houses. How about that? How about also don't fucking put links to information you don't want known in your fucking trip? Yeah, don't put.

Do an internal investigation into your own shit to find out what could have happened before you take the steps to go outward, because you need to know if your own house is in order before you go attacking someone else's. And I can assure you as someone who's been inside of game companies when leaks have happened that there is big, big, scared meetings. Oh, yeah. But the first thing done always is was it us? Did we accidentally just leave the photos to all the DLC

characters available on the website? Top to bottom, right? And there have been on anyway, there's been more than one time in more than one company I've worked at where this has come about. And in every case, it's been the same. It is scrub. Yeah. Was it us? Yeah. Was it us? Was it like everything?

And then upon confirmation that it was not? OK, now we're going to go fucking find out what we can. Who would know this? Without fucking thuggery goons. Without a goon. You just walk up to people's desks and you ask them, you know? And if you and if there's no and if there is no sign through like social media or, you know, YouTube, Twitch, replays, whatever, if you can't find out by digging, yeah, then you call your lawyers in

and you start talking about what kind of letter to write or whatever, right? A letter, but a letter, you say. But the part where you didn't scrub to find that you put out the information yourself and that multiple, if not anybody could have done this. Means that like your entire escalate to gun violence immediately response right away, looks right away, looks double crazy because you're super responsible. Like if you escalated to that off of someone who like

like broke in and stole a code, yeah, that would be insane. Yeah, but less insane than doing it to someone who had eyes and watched your own leak. Yeah, that you did yourself world. Yeah, like this entire scenario could have been solved if somebody had scrubbed and went, oh, you know, we screwed. Well, yeah, it was us. Can you ask him to take it down?

You want to take it down? OK. Done. You remember when Kotaku got the fucking modern warfare three stuff like six months before that game was came out and they had the details on the whole campaign and like everything. Activision just put out a trailer, said like confirming all of it. And then we're like, yeah, that's all true. And then they modified their marketing campaign to deal with it.

The moment Street Fighter five characters leaked last weekend. They just trailer, they just put the trailer around. They're like, oops, well, this sucks. But here you go. Don't watch it on this shitty, you know, rip. Watch the real trailer. I did not look out my window to see dudes standing out there. We in the streets, play a get your mail.

Come get it, you know, get your mail sometime. You like fucking like. As as your first step. I yeah, that's it's wild. Fuck you, take two. Bad. Yeah, that's that's pretty bad. Do that's pretty extreme. So that will forever be the new barometer for.

Yeah, at least they didn't send goons to your house overreactions. Yeah, you know. All right, moving on. What else we got? Take some letters. Hey, we got some letters. If you want to send in a letter, you send that letter in via the electronic mail to Castle Super Beast Mail at gmail.com.

That's Castle Super Beast Mail at gmail.com. If you too have had goons arrive at your home. That's probably a cool story. Let us know. Well, do we have any goon based stories today? I don't think we do. Oh, by the way, ninja switch to mixer. That's crazy.

Sure. People seem mad and I don't get it. I don't know about mad. I think it's just I saw some people that were very mad. OK, I think I'm some people in our line of work that were also very mad. Like, how could you turn your back on this company mad? And I'm like, dude, who cares? I think someone pointed out that, like, that frees up the top slot and a couple million kids.

Amazon Prime subscriptions now have somewhere new to go. A couple, a couple free, like a couple million Twitch primes that they get every month for free need a new place to go. By the way, I remind you that there's a cool place you could go watch it, which TV slash woolly versus which TV slash angriest Pat and which TV slash peach saliva. And those are cool places to go look at things. More importantly are not more importantly, less importantly,

but while the wild part of this is just thinking about how much money. A lot, probably, because someone did some reverse math on it. And they saw that a smaller streamer did an exclusive tournament. Yeah, but that's its scales. It's all weird. It isn't. But it's like, but it's like a small, a small streamer did an exclusive tournament on Mixer for like seven million. Yeah. So if he did anything

less than twenty five million that he got negotiated. Yeah. And it's like whatever it is, it has to make up for the loss. Yeah. The loss of growth. Yeah. And then the incentive to build. Yeah. You know, so you do that number inside your head. There's only one thing that I really, really disliked about Ninja going to Mixer.

Was it the the Red Bull Ken fridge asking questions? No, it was, you know, I've really decided to really move forward. And this is the best way to grow and push. Yeah, I gave you money. That's why you did it because they gave you a big second cash. Just say I wanted the money. I hate that. I hate it so much. I hate that mentality so much like, you know,

we really thought that this was to be the best place to grow and that, you know, it's like, no, I give you a big, big, big fucking bankrupt, read the dollar sign, big cash money thing with money and you took it. You're not wrong, but that's why you're here and he's there. And everybody that's listening, that's why you're here and not there. Oh, man. Oh, man, that stings. That's why. Oh.

Honesty sucks. Got one coming in. Coming in hot. You really got me. You fucking. All right, what do we got? High beast masters. What's up?

With Maximilian's hashtag bring back K I efforts to get hype for killer instinct and led me to think about how Under Knight has got to be got to be one of Evo's premier tournaments is the plea to Microsoft the right thing to do or is it irresponsibly putting pressure on Microsoft to make bad business decisions? I know Max has nothing but good intentions, but is the onus on us, the player community to revive K I. Unis did not have the obvious developer publisher support or seasonal DLC tournaments, pot bonuses, unless you include like maybe tags on advertisements

as a secret, secret marketing sponsor and the player supported Unis community had the Evo stage this year to showcase the scene. Could K I also have the same chance at Evo if there were players to support it? Microsoft is beholden to their stockholders to make a profit. And if there is no K I scene, how much incentive is there to make a new killer instinct? I think the new Battletoads revival would be an interesting case study in Microsoft's effort. So I beseech the Beast Kings reading my email on my wrong.

Thanks from Jackson Dang. That's a completely reasonable point, but I don't care. I don't care what's good business for Microsoft. That's not my problem. It's not Max's problem. It's not your problem. I think Max saying bring back K I because he likes K I and he wants to play more K I and he wants people to enjoy K I because it's a good game.

Yeah, I mean, I think it really is that simple. At the same time, if you're if you do want to think about the business aspect of things, then having a game that we know is good. Show up on a stage where people that might not have paid attention to it might see it and go, oh, shit, this is really good. Might actually grow the amount of people interested in that game. We know that every time you have a hype top eight for anything on stream. It helps. It grows the stream.

So this is proven data. This happens every year. So I don't think it's fair to start. You're asking the question, is it the onus on us to like lift that up? And it's like, not if you're not interested, if you're one of the people that loves it anyway, then do what you will. But like, there's only so much that like a fan community can do without official support.

Yeah. So like, if you have love for this game and you want it to exist in more places and if you want there to be a hope, any hope at like future versions of it or whatever, it starts with telling the world that you like it. Yeah. And then other people going, hey, I like it too. And then eventually that creates an echo that will make it back to somebody that has to make a business decision. And then it's up to them to do the research and decide whether or not

they're going to. But don't act like you're being paid by Microsoft to do their market research for them. You're not. You just want to play. Yeah, they will hire their market research people to decide whether or not they think it's worth it. But that's not your concern. It's like you like the game. You can tell people you like the game and I don't see anything wrong with that. Yeah, it makes me kind of feel bad because I scoffed at it very strongly.

But if it was on a console that I bought owned, I would have picked it up regardless because it's a fighting game like PC. Yeah. And then I and then I would have found out that, hey, this is actually really fun. I really enjoyed it. But when it did eventually drop on PC, it's time was over. You can still play it. No, but I mean, like it's time the limelight was over. And I feel like because of that, it kind of missed its shot.

Are you a slave of the zeitgeist, Pat? Yeah, absolutely. That's our job to be a slave of the zeitgeist. But you know me. You know how much I hate that. Yeah, well, it's your job to move the zeitgeist towards the things you like. Yeah, so I'd rather do that. Yeah, but I would not say it's our job to be a slave of the zeitgeist, actually, because I I mean, that's OK, that ridiculous freezing aside.

Yeah, I am in general always the one that was like, can we just play what we like? That's that that is awesome instead of what's hot, right? I'm always I'm always that guy. And sometimes the answer was no. The answer was about half the time. No, we're going to sit here and we're going to play God of War. God damn it.

And other times the I didn't that that was yeah, I know. I'm just it was the first one that popped in my head. Of course. But a lot of the times, you know, I'm just like. But like the things we fucking have passion for will like carry that passion forward. Yeah, in the content. So I'm much more a fan of spending my time with that.

You know, of course. So yes, all that to say that all you got to do is make anime real. That's it. Yeah. One for me, one for them, one for us. Yeah. Slave of the zeitgeist. Now, if you were to save the zeitgeist, it'd be one for me, one for me, one for me, one for me, but you are.

It's also for me, a lot of its curiosity, too, because I'm like, I legit do want to know how what this thing is like. I have I have dipped my toes in a lot of things that I didn't think I would like because I was like, I want to know why other people like it. Now, many times that has blown up a couple of times hasn't more frame. Oh, boy, that's a good game. But I thought that it was trash souls. I couldn't hear why people liked it because demon souls is so trash.

And I'm like, oh, no, wait, I was wrong. I was a trash. See, this would have been a perfect opportunity for you to return the burn because you know, who does one for them, one for them, one for them, one for them. Who's that ninja? That's how you get there. Yeah. Yeah. So we're all up our own ass.

It's pretty comfy up here. Pretty comfy it here. I've I've I've redecorated. I've feng shui the room up my own ass a little bit, you know, gotten used to it. Will they deliver food? They'll deliver food to your ass. Right to my own ass. I hope so.

Use promo code. No, don't do that. Don't do that. Let's want to use promo code, William, to deliver food right to your own ass. I craft in a specific way, hoping it will become the podcast. Anyway, so that's how I feel about it, man. Jackson, it's not your it's not not it's not that it's not your job, but you don't need to worry about that. Yeah, that's not on you.

That's up to them to worry about. It's on you to enjoy the video game. And if you feel like telling people that you enjoy it, then do so like Max did. Yeah. And just going, hey, yo, if you all want to let like Microsoft hear us, then let's let them know. Yeah, Max is attempting to use his power to steer the zeitgeist. However, it is still up to Microsoft to make their decision. Yeah.

Microsoft is not a like a fucking iron bender insert girder. What do I do? Oh, no, the people have said K.I. But K.I. will not sell. I guess I have to just make a bad decision and go with it. It's like, no, man. They'll make their own bad decisions on their own. Like, chill with that.

More importantly, bring back K.I. That's a good game. Um, we got one coming in from, uh, Retro Menace says. Retro, what up, man? Dear super beasters, after you guys covered the huge Fortnite tournament last week, you got me thinking about something. Why is there never as much talk about Dota 2's international? This year's international happening just a few weeks, uh, has a prize pool of 31.5 million

and is still growing since you can buy in-game items to boost the prize pool. Uh, the winning team is expected to take home 2.5 million per player. Over the course of Dota 2's life, uh, the game has given out nearly 182 million dollars in eSports prize money, making the top awarding eSports game of all time. Making it, sorry. For reference, the second highest is Counter-Strike. Um, Fortnite is currently third. Another fun stat is that until last week's, uh, tournament, the top 40 highest e-paid,

uh, sports, blah, top highest paid eSports players were all Dota players. Um, so my question is how does Valve pump so many, so much money into eSports and very specifically huge-ass prize pools, yet nobody talks about it and they look at, cause they didn't make it to like Fox and stuff like that. Yeah. Is it because everyone wants to push the valve, doesn't do anything mean to the point of ignoring reality? Simply not caring about Dota 2 or something else.

Uh, someone had a little feeling that they put in at the end there. Somebody has a little chip on their shoulders. They're a Dota fan. Do you guys seem to care about eSports in general, but not being into Dota? I'm interested to hear your take on it. Thanks again, Derek. Uh, it's because the newscasters that broke those stories, kids don't play Dota. They play Fortnite.

And then they saw that the kid, the game their child plays could earn the millions of dollars. Fortnite was already the thing that they were seeing and it was not. Yeah. Dota is huge. Yeah. But it is nowhere near as huge. It's also huge established and primarily for actual adults. And, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're playing Dota on your PC and that's about it,

right? And that's it? Right. The real thing is cause PC. Unless you're playing Underworlds or Underlords. Whatever the fuck. Autochess. Um, nah.

Yeah. The mainstream audience don't play games on PCs. Everyone that freaked out about finding out about the Fortnite money last time is because they're like, Oh yeah, that's the thing. My kid plays on his iPad. Yep. So that was already there. Uh, but it is true that like the money has been bigger and been crazy for a while and

you don't really care about it, but I think it's almost just cause like they realized they're just there. We're a self-sufficient economy. So in our sphere, it's like, yeah, we've known the Dota and League and all of them. They have huge prize pools for like, I don't know, five, 10 years now. That's known. If you're in that, when it first happened, I remember being crazed about the international like, what the fuck?

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a self-sufficient society, you know, it's, it's pretty much like, yeah, there's millions of dollars to be made in this circle by the community, for the community, as it keeps going on, um, but it ain't Fortnite. Nope. Cut and dry like that. Yep.

Can't do goofy floss dances in Dota, can you? Probably can. I don't actually know. Speaking of floss dancing, that reminds me of, um, this ad that I keep seeing on my phone because I play a lot of Scrabble, right? Like as my time passer, cause I just really like Scrabble. It's fun. I like Scrabble.

Yeah. Words with friends. Yeah. And, uh, it's one of those things where it's like in between almost every play you have to watch an ad, right? And so I'm seeing a lot of, uh, ads for phone games and I guess for a while I had just ignored that entire corner of the world. I don't know if you knew this, but ads for phone games are allowed to just lie to you.

There was one that popped up a while ago that was like, check out this dragon game. And it was this, it was this Unreal Engine for like deep down looking guy fighting a dragon in a pit. And then the real game is like a 2D side scroller, like, or they'll do 2D side scroller ads for a game that is not a, it's like, it's a top that like they, like, I got it. Okay. Um, so the biggest one that the fun, the one that really, the one that really like got me to fucking go like, okay, hold on, right?

It's this zombie horde one. Sure. Right. And it's all over Instagram as well. It shows you a really, really like, like, like nicely rendered thing of a horde of 3D zombies running and running over, running a base and you shooting back and then it cuts the first person view where you're shooting the zombies and then it cuts to like an underground like escape into your city and then you come back up and it's just nuts, right?

And like, of course, and then the actual thing is just some garbage ass isometric thing that looks like shit and sounds like shit. And then I saw a couple ads for games where I'm like, like, I see some, now when I see something that looks way too good, I'm like, let me go see what it actually looks like. There was another one that was just like a planting your, your random shit or whatever. All this to say that like there's no regulation on like just lying to people about what the actual game is. So the reason for that is there's too many and there's no effort for any govern body

anywhere to give a shit at all, probably because most of them are free. So if they're free, what does it matter? I mean, then again, there isn't a current regulation for console games to do that either. Everyone just gives you shit about it. Yeah, well, right? So it's not like they like, we are still allowed to make a trade like not we company's still allowed to make a trailer that shows you bullshot after bullshot and like renders gameplay and makes it look prettier than it actually is.

But everyone's just going to be like, you're an asshole. That's full of shit. And why are you lying about your game? Yeah, well, that's how mafia works, right? Sure. Sure. I just, I hadn't experienced such blatant dishonesty. Oh, it's outrageous.

It took, I was taken aback by like the fucking CG rendered movie that then gets replaced with like the ads for dating websites, man. It's like for single farmers.com and it's got that farmers only farmers only. That's what you don't have to be lonely. Yeah. This horse and lick this girl's butt. What? You never saw that ad?

No, it's it's it's a it's a fucking print ad of farmers of farmers only.com and it's city folk just don't get it. And it's a redneck farm lady looks pretty with like a horse like licking the butt of her jeans and it's like, what the fuck is that man? I don't get it. All right. All right. It's that time where you read while I find the thing that was horrible that I understood.

I explained it quite well. You need to see it. You explained it quite well. Uh, no, you can't. Dear Lord Patula and will look hard. That's all right. I found it. That was easy.

Sorry. I missed you guys. I see it. I see it. City folk just don't get it. I don't. That's not a website I need to go to. Thanks.

Um, they just don't get it. Sorry. I missed you guys at RTS, but while we're on the topic of said expo, how did you get accustomed to the much higher temperatures of the lower 48 comparison to Canada whenever you started attending events in the U S, especially Southwest Texas? Uh, love you guys. Keep up the good work from Mazen gettersy. Mazen gettersy.

Um, guess what? Uh, a lot of people don't know this, but Canada gets really hot. Yeah. It gets really, really, really hot, quite as hot as, you know, say the Southern states can get definitely not. Um, it gets very, it gets, it gets hotter than the average sometimes. It doesn't stay as hot for as long. No, but we get up there and I mean, I don't know what fucking AC is a necessity.

I don't know what kind of, um, like Fahrenheit shit to convert for you guys. Don't worry about it. Just don't even try. They don't understand numbers. But like, I remember when we were rocking 33 Celsius for a while, that's like a hundred. Is it? Yeah. Yeah.

We were rocking 33 Celsius for a while. 80% humidity. And then it went up to like 34 and 35 for a couple and that's like one, oh, something. Yeah. Right. And you're just like, you assume Canada polar bears cold, but like now we're. So 33 is 92 degrees and place in the States can hit like 110. So yeah, they do get hotter, but that's not to say that it doesn't get hot at all over

here. Yeah. So in fact, you know, it wasn't quite that different and then plus Vegas, you know, when I got down there, I was like, Oh yeah, here it is. It's that dry heat. Yeah. It's dry. Yeah.

So just get in the shade and you're fine. Yeah. Well, well, well, well, well, well. Watching for context, dear curfs, Murph, Murph. Nice. All right. What? I didn't watch Gurren until late, like last year late.

Finally getting around to a Willie's wonderful 101 LP. I'm glad I was informed enough about the connections and inspiration behind the finale. Thing is when I first watched Gurren, I knew I wasn't going to care about any of the plot or characters. I'm just not into Mecca, but when I watched it anyway, but I watched it anyway because neither of those things mattered at this point. What mattered is the context. I knew at the time I wasn't watching a show, I was watching context, context for everything

that came before and after and how they connect. Even if the series isn't for me, if it's influence grows big enough, I still want to learn that context and appreciate it for what it is. What's the best example of something you watched or played just for context? Movas. They're so big and I had no idea what the fuck they even were. I thought they were just shitty RTS games. And I was right, but they're still pretty fun.

There was definitely a period where I was renting a lot of old movies back when that really awesome downtown movie store was still around and shout out to Movieland. That's back when I was like, let me go rent Citizen Kane, Raging Bull, fucking whatever, all of it. Gotta know. Yeah. Or when I, or grabbing Kurosawa stuff and just going like, I want to know what's up, right?

Context. A lot of people talk about this shit. Yeah. And you want to know what the reference is because you live in a world where all these things are being referenced. And now kids now are constantly hearing references to old shit from us that they probably want to know. Yeah.

So, yeah, Gurren is one of those, Ava is one of those that came back up recently. The Matrix is one of those. Absolutely. You're right. You're going to hear these references all over the place. Star Wars, you can't escape it. I would say for me, a big one was in particular with like, you know, this whole YouTube thing like Castlevania, right?

Because I knew it, was adjacent to it, bounced off it, liked one of them, touched a couple of the other handhelds, liked them too, but didn't beat them. And then going back after that, after watching the series, you know, recently, I'm like, let me just go back and play this for context. To some degree as well, after having so many of my friends get super into the Souls games, starting DS2 was also a curiosity for context. You know, no matter how. What is here?

Why are people so obsessed with this? No matter how mistaken I was about the fantasy designs, right? So and it's interesting because like, I'm so glad to know that I was so wrong about those. Because like, if I saw like, like an Artorias back then, I would have been like, that's clearly fucking cool and different. But I maintain that I still have a really fucking, I really, I hate EverQuest still, you know, everyone does. I still like fucking love that.

No one likes EverQuest's art style. You are defending yourself from no one. And anything like that, right? So yeah, I think those examples, Souls, Castlevania and like old ass movies, Gurren is not at the point where it is so influential that it has a million strings connected to it. But the things we like that are like really high octane action tend to have moments or two that go like, oh, yeah, that's that's kind of like that thing. Yeah.

Right. Fucking Kirby throwing in Gurren like references. That's weird. Yeah. Yeah. That's weird. It happened. I believe you.

It was really hype. Right. Yeah. Going to space and like this and defeating it. Yeah. It's kind of, yeah, all right, yeah, become a thing, you know, play Planet Robot. If you haven't, you really, I know it's like, I'm not talking to you, talking to someone that now they're good to is willing to play a good game that happens to be on the 3ds.

The what? Somewhere. I had like four at some point. Now they're all in boxes where they belong. Last one coming in. Max says, dear Super Castle and Beast, Hey man, what's up? One of my favorite PC games in the last couple of years was a title called Cook serve delicious. I heard about that.

Yeah. It's a great game. It controls the way of giving you instructions to follow by way of giving you instructions to follow a list of key presses you could possibly do and expecting you to prepare orders correctly. I enjoyed it a lot once I developed the muscle memory and mnemonics for ingredients and keys tried playing the sequel, but despite trying several times and never played consistently enough to get up to a good feeling game speed, I'm curious to know if there's any games

where you've gotten into that highly abstracted muscle memory intensive gameplay, particularly any games that are hard enough that gave other people or something that's other people you knew bounced off of a lot of my favorites are hard, but satisfying games with a high skill ceiling, but for how much I enjoy them have played enough turn based strategy platformer souls likes and such to round out a couple of different favorites lists. If they're mostly are completely abstracted fast motion games that you guys know about, please share your knowledge. If there aren't any, then what have you tried without enjoying and so on and so on and so

on. Sounds like you're talking about fighting games. I mean, ultimately, when you, yeah, like the description of the muscle memory aspect of this is like, yeah, learning my really long combos in Marvel three are sounds like he's talking about don't make cry. Well, for me, because I don't think about doing high roller. I just do high roller devil may cry even at high devil may cry at high level like and hard difficulties is still like shorter, like the sentences are shorter.

You get to stop and readjust sure, but he's talking about abstracting things in a muscle memory so that it's about thinking the game rather than playing it certainly. I guess if you're just describing inputs in that way, like I think Max act timing and like getting the extra fist out on DT Nero and such is like it's a button. It's a button press you get used to and you kind of you build that muscle memory. I was it. Yeah. But I don't think there's anything that's quite on the level of like doing extended

loops in like Marvel because that's like it's like playing music on a keyboard almost. It's like and not to fucking not to create an artsy comparison, but no, it's because of the length of time you have to do precise inputs. Oh, that reminds me. Did you see the video about let me teach you how to do a fucking infinite ASMR? No, it's pretty good. So yeah, the like if you're doing any kind of like extended loops or like fly on fly combos and, you know, some of the longer ended Virgil stuff.

It's just like for the next 17 seconds, every input must be exactly in the same place as it was last time and in the future must continue to be that consistent. So you must make the exact same muscle memory inputs for about a 17 second stretch. Devil May Cry doesn't ask you to do that. Yeah. Right. You really precise ones for like two seconds here, three seconds here, two seconds there. Sure.

Sure. But he's not. What are you arguing? Right? I'm not arguing anything. Okay. I'm just giving an example of high muscle memory, but you're saying I'm not Devil May Cry with this.

No, Devil May Cry counts. Okay. I'm just all I'm all I'm answering is examples of high muscle memory games that I can think of. Because I would say every fighting game of any significant death. Because it's like the game's better when you're you're thinking and you're not doing, if that makes sense. Or no, you're doing and you're not thinking.

I think like Sam's show is low end of that. Yeah, probably. It's not you're not going muscle memory. You're doing a lot of thinking. But yeah, the question was simply, I'm curious if there's any games you've gotten into that have highly abstracted or muscle memory intensive gameplay. You know, what's one that I have not been able to do at all is RTS games. Hmm.

I was never able to gain the requisite keyboard mouse. It's also it's different from shooters. It's a whole fucking different ball game with your APMs. Way of the passive fist. Did you ever give it a shot? Yeah. I get a shot on the video we did. Yes.

That thing. That's very up there, right? Oh, does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On the harder difficulties on and further levels with loops of enemies coming at you from both sides and you have to put the two rhythms together.

Okay. You know, so like this rhythm is happening for the next three seconds and rhythm B is happening on an on a delay. So rhythm A and then a wait a little and then rhythm B and you have to do both. Yeah. And now you're describing rhythm games, but which is not that rhythmic. Yeah. Oh boy.

Is that getting tough? It gets very hard. The fact that it had two difficulties or two difficulty settings to modify makes perfect sense in retrospect because it gets really, really hard. Breaking news. Death Stranding is no longer listed as a PS4 exclusive on the official site. It may, but be about to get confirmed for PC. That's that's massively unshocking.

The official PS4 exclusives page on the PlayStation Australian site got updated. Death Stranding was removed from the list and the cover art revealed does not feature only on PlayStation anymore. So yeah, that's expected to come to PC. As long as it. Which piece? Oh, boy. Is everyone ready to get really mad?

Everybody ready to get really mad. But it's no longer coming to PlayStation either. I'm sorry. OK, well, could you you know I can't so let's not even fucking talk about that. More importantly, maybe you should probably. I hope you have a PlayStation for of course I do. I hope you have a PlayStation for. If you don't, I hope you do.

Is there a hidden message here? Yeah. Are we are we are we looking at are we going to reset the clock in a couple hours time? I don't know. I wonder. Oh, boy. I don't want to be around. That's not true.

I want to be around to see. I want to be a fly on the wall in that meeting. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Remember the way Andrew House looked at. I do. I do remember. Do you remember the love in his eyes and then Andrew House quit?

All right, well, we'll find out soon, probably that's stranding. Stranded on the Nokia and gauge only side talking. Forgot about that, Christ. That's bad. All right, see you guys. Bye.