Castle Super Beast - CSB 036: Everbrown Content

Episode Date: September 24, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:00 THANKS FOR WATCHING exchange review How do we begin the podcast this week? Uh, Lair is a bad game. Yeah, that's not news. Lair is a terrible game. The old game Lair? Yeah, there was a guy, uh, because before the podcast starts, I take a look at the chat, and there was a guy going, no one's ever gonna look at this, but Lair was a good game.
Starting point is 00:00:50 And to those of you who might have seen that comment, Lair is a bad game, and you shouldn't play it. Volta Base literally, literally brought that up as a point of trying to make me suffer on camera. Are you serious? Yesterday. Yeah? And he said, I will play Lair in front of you, and like, I almost cried. Lair is not just bad to look at and to enjoy. Yes, it is bad to enjoy.
Starting point is 00:01:21 So I was just thinking about how bad Lair was less than 24 hours ago. That's pretty great. But also, don't forget, Lair killed Rogue Squadron. Did it? Sure did. Is that the same company? Sure is. And they fucking went bankrupt after Lair was a disaster.
Starting point is 00:01:41 Yeah, but if Star Wars cared enough about Rogue Squadron, they would have brought that back. Even if it did, it needed to be made by that company because they made the good Rogue Squadron game. Well, that... I mean, it's not the same thing, but that VR adventure was a pretty nice X-Wing simulator. And then again, I also did enjoy X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter, the original PC game. Well, that's a whole different thing. It's a whole different thing, but like, the Star Wars flying, I've enjoyed different incarnations of it. That's true.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Rogue Squadron was fun, but it's not the one I'm the most attached to. So Volta convinced you to do like a full LP of Lair? He did not. Am I convincing you? He tried. Am I doing a good job? And he failed sourly, but... Well, I don't want to spoil what we did talk about because he brought up something even worse, and...
Starting point is 00:02:34 I think my favorite moment of Lair, and yes, worth doing this, is when I watched the Game Trailer's video review, the ancient Game Trailer's now Easy Allies review, in which they'd start talking about how buggy the game is, in which the dragon was curled up into a ball, like ball posing through the air, and then when they went to slash at something, the ball just moved onto the object and just like, hit it like, like an invisible hand was picking up a dragon rock and just banging it against the ground. And they're like, this shit is fucked. Yeah. Also in a world with Panzer, it's double fucked.
Starting point is 00:03:18 When you're playing as a dragon in a game, you're going to compare it to that. Especially a game that's like, Shoot, Fly, Pew Pew. Yeah. And Panzer June has like, two, maybe three really good games, but they're really good. They're great. They're real good. I like games like that. I like those.
Starting point is 00:03:48 I mean, what are you going to call it? What do you use to describe that? Because it's a real shooter. It is totally a real shooter. It is Star Fox. It is Star Fox. It's Star Fox. But the problem with, the problem I've always have, classifying it, is the fact that you can rotate the camera to have different.
Starting point is 00:04:05 You totally can rotate the camera. So that makes it a little different. So you have freedom. So we can call it a non-rail shoot. It's rails and you have these different sides you can focus on as you move forward. But then you just, I guess it's a rail shooter with like, paths. Yeah. It's because, you know, Star Fox.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Rail shooters are almost universally terrible, especially at sections. Star Fox has a couple of branches in it. Yeah. But it doesn't have like, as many options as like Panzer gives you. And I mean, if you're playing like sit in punishment or, you know, any older examples of that where you're just, you're on rails. Like Panzer is the one where you really can like, like, no, I'm just going to focus on the left and that's going to be my thing. I want, and if you're playing, it's why you're like, I want to get this dragon by going left and getting a high score. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:59 You know, Rez is not going to do that necessarily. Is Rez pants for your goon, but trance? I mean, it is a rail shooter. It's slower moving. Yeah. And it's more rhythm focused, but you are moving forward in a, in a, on a rail. You're walking on. You're moving forward on a rail shooting what's coming at you.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Of course it is. Huh. I never put that together. Yeah. Like Rez. I was just like, ha, music. Yeah. That's like, that was the, that's the entire emotion going through my head.
Starting point is 00:05:34 And that means that the, the other gooch succeeded. And then the other thought that I have playing Rez is a load up Rez and page will be in the background and she'll be like, why do you, why do you load up this game and only play this one level? And I go, well, sometimes you just kind of know that fear is the mind killer. You just, you just gotta know. That's it. Yeah. That game is weird in that, like after you've beaten it a bunch of times, it is a one level game because I only want to play that level. I disagree.
Starting point is 00:06:10 I love going through the whole thing, but that is clearly the best one. And shout outs to Dune references. That's cool. Yeah. Um, but I, uh, yeah. When a really good game has you just kind of go, Oh wow, music and you don't even realize what's going on. And you just kind of clapping. Then that's a good.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Yeah. That's a good. That's a very good. You fucking play that thing or what? One thing. Did you bother with it? Or did you just look at it and barfing? You're literally not asking a question.
Starting point is 00:06:41 What is the thing? The thing that is the new music hotness that you must have heard of the game called Cyanara Wild Hearts. I saw a 10 second clip of that on my Twitter timeline as I scrolled past. I believe it was slow beef because he was streaming it. It seems that is my current exposure to Cyanara Wild Hearts. Okay. Does that game have music? It has a lot of music and it is a coin flip as to whether or not you will love or loathe it.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Oh, that's fun. Because what's the dividing line? You're weird goblins. Okay. But what do you foresee is the dividing line? Like it is Cyanara Wild Hearts is basically it's a rail rhythm game. I'll call it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:42 You're pretty much just, you know, like there's lanes, you're collecting hearts, you're moving forward and it's music videos that are kind of playing throughout this little short narrative. And in the way that you had Outer Wilds as a like potential game of the year. That's right. To me, Cyanara Wild Hearts is potentially a game of the year. In a game with the games that came out. Is the music good? The music is incredible.
Starting point is 00:08:09 Okay. Because that's like step one, right? The visuals are incredible. The style design and the mixture of the two. But I saw what I did see it and the camera seems very good. So I talked about it when I went to PAX and when I got back from PAX and I called it in the game of the show at PAX. And it's easy to forget that because that was a bunch of episodes ago. A lot of people were didn't remember that I brought that up because there's also something that was like.
Starting point is 00:08:38 If I remember. It's not out yet. So you're just like, oh, this is a trailer for something. The issue that I had with that conversation is that you saw so many games that I kind of forgot the ones at the beginning. Of course, of course. But yeah, I played one level of it there and immediately just went, oh, this is going to be really important to me very shortly. Because everything about this is everything I love. I'm glad you've doomed it sales wise.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Yeah. And so it dropped and it's all that perfection and more. I love everything about it. It's so, so, so good. And it's one of those games that is like res or journey. OK. So it is a short, extremely tight, extremely stylish, just a polished ass experience. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:37 And and it's I can see it as like, oh, yeah, it's going to be one of those things where as we move forward in time, I'm going to be talking about it a bunch. Suddenly a vinyl will be on the wall behind me for it. Suddenly a poster might show up somewhere and a physical limited edition is going to go up somewhere. And like, it'll just be one of those things where I'm like, yeah, you see a journey thing. You just cop that. Yeah. Right. You see something with rays.
Starting point is 00:10:06 You can cop it. That's it. And like cyan are well, Tarts right in there. Simo go a team of two is very high praise. It's extremely high praise. And I think if you just if you play the first level, you will know immediately. You will understand immediately. Oh, OK.
Starting point is 00:10:22 OK. This is what's happening here. And you're either in or you're out. Most people, I assume, would be in. And I'm going to say that like a big part of this praise, you're going to like if you want to filter as like. It's also a game that is very high, woolly aesthetic. Yes, you can filter that because like the colors, they choose the way characters move around the transitions. Like the first level has such a mastery of understanding of like how to implement like timing, rhythm and style all together.
Starting point is 00:10:55 Because you you're you're this character, right? So you're this character that kind of you henshin from a normal girl into like this kind of like superhero with like a mask. And then you're surfing on a tarot card as like the the narration is going off. All right. Queen Latifah is telling you the story. Don't worry about it. And you're and then the tarot card, like, for example, the Wheel of Fortune, like, like she flips off of it. And then the card of the wheel on the card starts spinning.
Starting point is 00:11:25 And then the card itself turns into a motorcycle and she backflips onto the motorcycle and you start and you're driving down this highway. And then eventually you meet up with a crew of rival like a rival gang and then like they're in an opposite color. And then you have a motorcycle chase fight through the streets. And then like it builds up and gets more and more intense as the music builds up. And like right as the chorus is about to kick in like the bridge starts, one of the enemies like taunts at you and then like light speed dashes into the distance and her speed dash cracks the road open. So it becomes a giant like open cavern to hell. And you flip off of the bike and then start flying and then you start like Star Fox flying through the level. And then you get up close to them and then you're on top of the bikes and then you're having a fight as you flip and shoot fireballs and deflect and sword fight.
Starting point is 00:12:19 And then eventually you charge up a gigantic punch and you got one and they explode and then you rip their heart and you take and you steal their heart. And then you have to go after the other two. And like that whole climax is during the first chorus. And then as verse two starts, you're going after the second one. So you're saying the game's eight minutes long. The game is an hour and a bit. OK. And then there's other extras you unlock, including like the score for doing it all in one album shot.
Starting point is 00:12:48 It's a bunch of different artists kind of putting together like I get like these music video levels. But and then there's like a couple of mystery achievements where it's like there's like a list of constellations that all have like a mystery associated with them. That you have to go back and find what they're asking you to do in what section of the game. But in any case, this is really something where like, yeah, if you just you see what's going on visually and you hear what's happening orally. And it either grabs you by the collar and pulls you in or kicks you the fuck out. There's no middle ground on it. I fucking loved it if you can't tell, you know, I can't speak high enough praises about it. And and the reason why I also compare it to Journey and Rez is because both of those games as some of my favorite games of all time are extremely short and tight experiences.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And Journey is the only one that has any looseness on it with the multiplayer. But that's its own weird. But it shouldn't take you more than an hour to play Journey. No, I'm just talking about the actual looseness of the feel of when there's another person there. But that creates its own thing. Yeah. But like it's very those comparisons are very important here because it also should frame your expectations for the length of the game. And those games are perfect examples of quality over quantity to the extreme.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Yeah. And this that's exactly what this is. So Simogo, the two person team that made this and Annapurna put it out and like I just grabbed it on switch. But I know it's also an Apple Arcade, which we're going to talk about. Oh, are we? But Sionara Wild Hearts is up there in the pantheon right now. I'm I'm just raving about this game. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:45 I may or may not check that out. Yeah. I basically I'm at the point where the trailer is now going to have to. It'll make a break. Yeah, it'll make a break, you know. And I know, like I said, the reason why I said like you'll kick it away or pull it in is because it's a music and style thing. So if you don't care for the music or style, then that won't be that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:08 But I but but like, you know, and as you go further in, of course, levels all switch up and change their flow. And the changing up of the flow is a really, like, essential thing to to how much to why I like it. Because like it it homages different kinds of games and different types of gameplay. And it's all very simple, you know, it's all very basic while you're just kind of moving through these levels, collecting these hearts. And then like matching the rhythm prompts when the fights are happening. But like, yeah, there's definitely moments where you're like, OK, this is where the res goes. This is where the outrun goes. This is where the this or the that.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Yeah, or even yeah, like I said, and then at one point when you're flying this time, instead of flying in that Star Fox kind of way, you're flying in a Gradius side view. All right, really? Remember last week when or the week before when we talked about Astro Chain and I was listing off gameplay elements and you were like, well, I hope there's still something there for me because it sounds like you just listed everything in the game. For Astro Chain, that was a ridiculous statement. If you're telling me this game is 90 minutes long, then you are actually totally doing that right now. That what I just described is literally one moment in one stage.
Starting point is 00:16:26 OK. But you understand my sentiment here. I understand your sentiment. There's a lot of good, cool stuff. Don't worry about it. It's very good. It's very, very good. And yeah, like, I mean, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:16:46 I do not know how to segue out because you're like, it's like your brain is just going good. Well, it's more just like after talking up all that praise, there's not much else to say because it's just like, go get it. I guess I can talk about how. I'm going to assume I'm just guessing here it's 20 bucks. I think it was less than that. OK. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's less than that. For games of that nature, that's my heart price.
Starting point is 00:17:14 If that sentence makes any sense. No, no. Yeah, it's less than that. But I also, I guess the video I did of it was funny because playing with Min and Reggie and like just kind of like fucking going through that for the first time and having all those highs and lows hit is because there's literally these moments where like I'm playing and like processing what's happening on screen differently from Min. Because he's not playing. And like he's like, no, you have to do this. And I'm like, no, Min, no, you don't have to do that. That's not at all what's happening.
Starting point is 00:17:57 And I'm just like gritting my teeth on it. So we have a nice journey through like like I like there's there's a couple of moments where we just snap in that in that brief little journey that are quite fun as well. So over unwaverous as you can check out that video for the game and do consider opening your heart and wallet to it. Because God, do I want more games like this to exist? And do I want people with this understanding of style to like work on other things? You can make any genre when you understand this type of style. You could even make this kind of game about a jerk ass bird, for example. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:38 So you talking about Untitled Goose games? I am. I haven't played it yet. I'm streaming it tomorrow, but I'm super excited because everybody loves it. So when someone was right, someone online was people were just referring to it as a goose game. Yeah. I was like, is that the sequel to Duck Game? Nope. And then I was like, no, wait, it's Untitled Goose Game.
Starting point is 00:18:57 The name of the game is Baffling. Yeah. The Japanese title I've found out is actual. It's a real title and it is here comes the mischievous goose. That's pretty good. There's something about it like releasing and me having purchased it as Untitled Goose Game. I thought you're bringing it up because you took a look at it, but No, that'll be that'll be next week.
Starting point is 00:19:21 I'm just excited. But like what you were describing short, sweet, tight, focused style that applies across a large variety of things, not just like music is the most obvious because music has its own culture and style to it as well. But you can do all sorts of stupid shit. I saw a two mellow had a tweet that was like saw clips of goose game and like notice that the honk was actually the sound of a harmonica. And I was like, ah, that's kind of disappointing.
Starting point is 00:19:57 I was hoping it would be a honk, but I guess that's a stylistic choice. And then the goose turned around and had a harmonica in its mouth. And he was like, oh, what is that on besides the Epic Game Store? That is on all consoles of your choice. I believe. Wonderful. OK, so I know I definitely know it's on the switch because that seems to be where most people are grabbing it.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Yeah, I definitely plan to take a look at that. The Epic Game Store, however, in addition to all that was like, hey, if you want to get it here, you get a $5 off as well, which is why I picked it up there. Is the control stuff with the money in the docket for the Epic Game Store? Oh, oh, control is in the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, OK, because I didn't think there's that. That was anything to say.
Starting point is 00:20:43 I mean, we've talked about the store. Yeah, the main thing is that we now know the number came out exactly how much it is. Yeah. $10 million. But we also know like that that number changes because we got another number. We got another number for who was it that said like 150,000 copies or whatever. So it's both. It's there's a flat fee that they're going to give you, which in controls case was 10
Starting point is 00:21:05 million. But then they also look at your projections and give you a sale guarantee. OK, which is like what idiot wouldn't take that deal? So they probably go. Well, I'm sure they come up with a case by case number. There you go. You are projected to sell 200,000 or whatever. That is there for guarantee you 200,000.
Starting point is 00:21:28 Yeah, OK. Yeah, yeah. So I just kind of like I just read that. Yeah, sure. You know, they're throwing a lot of money out there. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's a gamble, right? Yeah, it's a gamble.
Starting point is 00:21:39 And, you know, you have to imagine that like on paper, like that would be the way to like fight back for against an otherwise overwhelmingly monopoly system. Yeah. So, you know, exclusives in the past have been what gets people over one box to another when it came to the console wars, which is dumb here because you're not actually changing the box. No, you're just changing the interface and the click for an inferior one, unfortunately. Did you see that they also killed their roadmap?
Starting point is 00:22:19 They what? The roadmap for Epic Games Store with the shopping cart and all that. It's gone now. They're not going to. They delayed the release of like a social feature. The was there an announcement? Yeah. I know I didn't see it.
Starting point is 00:22:34 They delayed the release of some SPK for social features by like a year and the roadmap is just like, no, they took the dates off of it. Cool. So just. Can you tell that I'm tired of talking about a little bit or I just think I just think the fact that they are also tired of talking about it is kind of hilarious. That's fair. That's fair.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Yes, they too. They don't want to talk about it. They're like, we don't care about the cart. I'm no one cares here. They're just like, it's been it's I feel like it's that that's been, you know, Paul bunkered into the ground and like there's not much else to say. They're going to spend a lot of money. They're going to keep spending it and hoping and they're hoping that the gamble works.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Everybody I know who uses that thing just runs every epic game store game through steam. It's kind of interesting to how, like, I guess, you know, not not to extend it, but it's just like the choices they're going for are obviously a combination of like, like, what's the zeitgeist? Yeah, what's hot? Indie darling right now. And like, who will accept it? Who's the biggest we can reel in right?
Starting point is 00:23:52 Yeah, you know, so there's a little bit of like, like, like the exclusives are kind of like traveling on the curve of like, yeah, what's what's just in the public's peripheral for excitement. And I don't know if it is like talking to people about games that are in development right now, like way down the line, but it sounds like it usually pops up around the time that the game is public. It sounds like it pops up three months before release. That's every time.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Yes, it doesn't sound like it's something they're talking to anybody about far enough in advance, you know. So anyway, yeah, so there was that fucking piece of hotness. Wow, strong 2019, strong year. Strong year 2019 is good. Strong year. So I was like, this is this is a bit of a side, but like a friend of mine just picked up three houses, and they were like, which route should I play through first?
Starting point is 00:24:56 And we got into an argument as to what route to play through first. And then I'm like, by the way, this argument is stupid because each route is like 100 hours. So that's like a 400 hour game. Wait, hold on. When people say that game is like approaching 100, that's for one. Buddy of mine, Strident did the on hard classic and his game timer read 100 by the end of route one and then 100 again, or maybe 80 on the end of route two. You know what?
Starting point is 00:25:31 I just remembered you can run around between missions and talk to people. Yep. Okay. All makes sense. You can sit there agonizing over who to have lunch with to minmax the stats. I saw a graphic that said if you go blue, red, yellow, you get the most new content and surprises for yourself. I don't know about that.
Starting point is 00:25:54 I would tell people and it was a graphic, so it looked really official. So I believe I would. I would tell people to go red, blue, yellow, red. Okay. Red gets two routes. Okay. I guess as long as yellow is not first, then it seems like that. People say that because yellow sucks.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Okay. And everyone in that group is a dork. Yeah, well. Also, that group has Lorenz, scum of the earth. Must be fun to be wrong. Lorenz is the scum of the earth and no one will disagree with me. Um, anyway, also, yes, it is fun to be wrong sometimes. So, uh, what happened this week besides those things is a little, little movie called Promare.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Is that in theaters? Where's that? Where's everyone seeing that? Promare is in theaters here. It's that Cartier Latin. Okay. So they're currently airing it. And, um, that's a trigger movie.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Did you like it? I enjoyed it. Was it okay? It was okay. Yeah. I enjoyed the Promare. Okay. For real?
Starting point is 00:27:18 That, like, when Trigger makes a film, I mean, you remember the last time this happened because you watched what they did with Gurren. Yeah. You feel like you got out of watching 26 episodes. The credits are rolling and you feel full. Yes. That is like so intense and so just like it's doing the trigger to the moon, you know, like level of high escalation, but it's doing it in a two hour time period.
Starting point is 00:27:56 And, um, I mean, I don't know if there was ever a consideration to have it be a longer show, but God, do they really just kind of, they, they embrace how little time they have, you know, and they enjoy the fact that it's like, fuck it, man, we're just going to do hype shit and have fun. The characters, I mean, you must have seen the trailer and some of the shots. Like there are designs that are just reused characters. Yes. The main character is just Kamina.
Starting point is 00:28:32 The main character is just a Kamina, but that's, but there's other trigger characters. Just kill a kill and Gurren faces all over the place. Shut up. It's them. And then there's a bunch of other new ones, you know, the burninators. Are they called? Yeah. The burnish.
Starting point is 00:28:50 Okay. Cause like I keep hearing that and my brain is auto-completing into the burninators. Yeah. I mean, there's that one gift you might have seen of like some fucking badass in like a, with like a suit, just like creating a flamethrower sitting on it. I have. And just leaning and looking and it's like that style, that fucking style is just oozing all over the thing.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Let me ask you a question about this, because when I saw the trailer, I would describe this movie's art style as eye-searing in its use of color. It is like, ow, my eyes bright, like neon pastel, et cetera. Is that actually like tough to watch? It is fantastic. And it feels like the projector is not doing it justice. Okay. Like it feels so powerful and distinct with what they're doing with color and style that
Starting point is 00:29:52 you're like, got like, I can tell this looks prettier than what I'm seeing right here. I wish I could get it crisp. Like get it home on your big old HD. Get it on HD on blue. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I wish I could go down to the offices and watch it there. You know, like live off the fucking off the their screen.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Like it is really, really, really powerful in terms of like style and color. One of the biggest noticeable things when you look at it is that there's no black lines. It doesn't use lines. Yeah. It uses lines. It doesn't use black lines in the traditional anime way. And like outlines is everything. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:38 And I like a thick black outline. Heavy, heavy black outlines are strong and powerful. We were just talking about a Demon Slayer. Demon Slayer loves its thick black outlines. You know, I mean, those eye catches in Gurren have that like really high contrast style moments of extreme grit, right? When the more lines appear, more lines appear when I'm thinking specifically of when they zoom in on Shimon's face and like he's like right after the manga.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Right. Yeah. Right after like he punches the antispiral and he's just like, yeah, we'll take care of it. And like all of these things are all like black is such a powerful defining thing. And here they're like, yeah, we're going to do something else. And they basically went with self coloring lines. So the outlines on everything are informed.
Starting point is 00:31:30 The color of the line is informed by the shape it's touching. And it's done in such a way that like it ends up looking like like everything is still really strong. They found a way to make the contrast powerful, but like it doesn't. It just feels like almost like it's just something different. Okay. Yeah. I'm having a hard time describing it because I don't want to probably be way easier if
Starting point is 00:31:57 I had watched the movie. Yeah. You know, there's moments where like you're like you're seeing like South Park where like stylistic stylistic choices of things are like flat objects with color on top of each other are just kind of sliding. And then there's other moments where it's like just through the roof with like animating fire. You know, that's obviously a big part of it.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Like, I mean, I don't know if you know anything about the story. But they're firefighters. Yeah, exactly. They're stylish trigger firefighters. And then there's the country that's like we love burning shit. There's fire people and then there's firefighters. Yeah. And that's yeah, that's that's what you get, you know.
Starting point is 00:32:36 And like who doesn't love to see like an old warehouse burned down? Sure. Isn't that awesome? And in this case, right? So you know, you know how like though the thing about Mecca is that it's really hard to draw and animate unless you like take a lot of time or use 3D, right? I would assume so. I don't actually know that, but I assume.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Yeah, because it's very complex. Just robots, right? But there is something logical to it that is very clear. It's like an engineering, you know what I mean? Like you can very clearly define this kind of thing. When when when the Gurren movie ends up having a final form that is just burning energy. Yes, just energy. Just energy.
Starting point is 00:33:19 It's like please show me the budget counter rolling in the corner because there's no such there. There are barely keyframes for this thing. It's just fire. And it's also melting and like twisting and exploding and like this is this awesome ever moving thing, right? So in a trigger movie about fire, you can imagine how much animating of fire they do a little bit.
Starting point is 00:33:45 It's really pretty and it's very impressive and it's very stylish and cool. And yeah, man, like go fucking watch it. OK. But then after that, you're going to need to watch it again like on Blu-ray to see the work they actually see it all pretty and shit. What's really cool too is that they the theatrical release has a little interview they do afterwards with really in my she and the trigger guys. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:34:14 And so like, yeah, if you stick around, you get to see them just talking a little bit about that. That's the kind of thing that most theaters wouldn't fucking put up with. Yeah. But if you're going to if you're going to see a trigger movie on a limited selected in North America, chances are you give a shit about that. Right. So I saw it in English.
Starting point is 00:34:33 I know it was at Fantasia in Japanese the original release that is. So I don't know for sure, but I was told that the characters that look like their counterparts in other shows do share voice actors. Sure. I'm sure. So that seems almost like it would have been designed in the reverse in that like who's willing to jump on board. OK.
Starting point is 00:35:03 You did come and I guess the main characters but then again, there's a bunch of others to you know, but yeah, but but ultimately in any case, oh yeah, that reminds me by the way that I don't know if you saw that little thing that got posted on the reddit about dubs and like I was just thinking about that new weeb that little that that little cards that little but that little comic and the discussion that came afterwards kind of explained something to me that I feel like I just knew but didn't really actually process. It's a little it's a little comic of two people. I don't know what the source is.
Starting point is 00:35:43 Two squirrel girls eating food and one is the old weeb and looking stressed down at a plate of something gross leaf clover's it appears to be something something that looks gross and it's done and it says dubs and then the new weeb is just like looking like almost an ecstasy chewing it and then the old weeb is staring at it going what the fuck is happening. Right. So then the discussion that followed was basically, hey, so you know how we felt like about all that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:16 Our feelings from 10 years ago and longer 20, 20, perhaps. OK. So a but in that time frame, a bunch of kids were born and then watch dubs and they grew up. No, no, no, they didn't just watch dubs. They grew up and they watched Cartoon Network and Adult Swim. Yeah. And and that was nothing but so anime to that group of people is just English thing that
Starting point is 00:36:40 shows up on TV. And I'm like, I have no concept of either of those things. I'm I'm yeah. I've been downloading subbed shit forever and buying the direct releases of the things I love. I have no connection and I live in a place that doesn't air any of those channels and if they'd be the French dub, which doesn't exist. So it's like, OK, OK, you're talking about a completely different experience for me.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Yeah. Based on just what you were raised up. It's a whole weird thing because it's like to Nami and shit like I'm like, I don't have to Nami. Well, you and I grew up in an era in which whenever you got a dub, it was like a downer. Like I remember four kids jump dubs were a punchline. I remember watching the four kids was a joke. The Evangelion dub, which is terrible, right?
Starting point is 00:37:32 And then later getting the Evangelion sub and I'm like, oh, wow, this is way better. And by the way, to anybody who worked on Eva listening to this, don't worry. It's all the actor who played Shinji's fault. Sure. That that dude did a bad job. Punch Mom just made it to 24. So OK, where we're getting a fun evening approaches. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Yeah. Ready to go. Confusing nightmare of an evening approaches ready to ready to go. But it really like is just like, oh, a different entire creature's experience growing up watching TV anime in English by default. And like, excuse me, like, and I had one of these moments like, like literally, I think it was yesterday because in the middle of a video, it might have been like Nino Kuni or something.
Starting point is 00:38:29 I played voice acting and Nino Kuni is better than Japanese voice acting. Yeah. So I didn't know that. Yeah. Right. So some folks were like, oh, you missed out on some really fun British accents and you're fucking. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Didn't didn't know that, right? Just pick. Why would you have assumed that the thing that I prefer that was right? I mean, picked it and I was like, dude, if you want to go down this route, go ahead, but I don't know what you're going to get. Of course. But I don't disagree because I prefer it as well. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:02 You would. You would prefer it the other way around. No, I will. I will say this. Right. Exactly. There's been examples of that persona has clearly opened my eyes to like, oh, this can be done.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Fantastic. I really feel like games were the gateway to the dub apocalypse from what I can tell Danganronpa goes either way. But I just happen to taste. Yeah. But and my taste based on being an old weeb is is going to usually assume that like there might be weirdness in the dub. So let me just go with the original.
Starting point is 00:39:35 And I want to hear like the characters that the they cast or that the creators cast it originally. Yeah. You know, as opposed to like the adaptation. So there is one. It's a weird one. One thing that English dubs specifically have over Japanese subtitle stuff or Japanese English subtitles stuff that I've been because I'm playing a lot.
Starting point is 00:39:58 I'm playing Yakuza games. I'm playing, you know, all this shit. There's one time where the dub is just going to win hands down. And that is when the localization decides to take the extra step like they did in Nino Kuni and give people a variety of different English voices. Yeah. So Japanese has basically Osaka as Texas. Yep.
Starting point is 00:40:27 And maybe a little bit of North Kyoto kind of thing. You know, and the Tokyo accent for like 99.99999% of like every character that you're ever going to meet. Right. And so you'll watch Azamanga Dio as a really good old example. And everybody has the same accent except for Osaka because she's from Osaka and she has a slight change. Then you watch the English dub and everybody's got pretty average plain American accents.
Starting point is 00:40:59 And then Osaka is from fucking hard Texas. Yes. Right. But and so that's the that's the way they used to do it. And that's the that's the basic Osaka is the South. Right. Wolfwood. Same thing.
Starting point is 00:41:12 Like Nino Kuni in which they've gone for an English UK European British Isles area. This kids London. This kids Northern. This guy is Welsh and it is one of the only there are only two characters that I could think of that have Welsh accents. One is Drippy and the other is that cat girl from Xenoblade Xenoblade Chronicles too. So right and and this one this guy's got a Russian accent and this guy's got a Spanish accent and you know like yeah yeah yeah because all of those countries speak English to a
Starting point is 00:41:46 degree now. But like you so you do get that but not every game does that. No. I mean did you want. Did you were you happy with the Monado. Yes. I super was. And so Yakuza last story as well two four etc.
Starting point is 00:42:03 There's a guy named Gary Buster Holmes in the series and he works for Majima and he is he's a gigantic tall huge black guy. But more importantly is that he is clearly an actual English speaking black guy speaking Japanese with a very thick English accent. And it's like oh great. That's actually really good. Which is weird because then there's a different character who's an American CIA agent who is really obviously a Japanese guy trying to sound like he's Wesker.
Starting point is 00:42:39 OK. And it's bad. OK. It's really bad. OK. Right. But it's like I would love to hear in dubs what does it sound for this Russian character to have a Russian like I think of Ippo.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Remember a Vogue or Vorg whatever his name was. Yeah. Wouldn't it have been nice if he spoke Japanese with a Russian accent. Yes. But that's you never hear that ever. Whereas people do it some some shows will go to have somewhat like have someone sound particularly foreign with their Japanese. But yeah it's really rare.
Starting point is 00:43:12 It is rare. Like one of the examples that my brain goes to first is Pedro from Excel saga where it's like I'm totally I have no idea what exactly it's that far ago. You want to talk about old weebs. Yeah. And the important thing too here to know is like the it's not just also like old weeb new weeb but it's also a difference of like access because like now access is infinite. Well yeah but what I mean is that like you could passively just grow up in America turn
Starting point is 00:43:53 on the TV and watch and their anime that that anime right and that's what you're getting. That's crazy. And that is not something that I had and still don't have and like because I was into this stuff before that was around you had to go acquire you had to go acquire it yet to seek it out. Right. And because of the place I live I'm still in a place where you have to go seeking it out.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Yeah. Right. Even if you're on crunchy roll. Yeah. You're still I still had to go to crunchy roll. It's not just passively in the background on a television. So there is a difference there and that that kind of just stays with me over the years. You know like someone pointed out what I brought up Nino Cuny to bring up wasn't it wasn't
Starting point is 00:44:30 even it wasn't even Nino Cuny and that and it's its own voice acting. It was the fact that I always do this and I know that I do it. I always refer to the Naruto games as Gekito Ninja Taisa. You have noticed. Yeah. And Naruto met hero. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:44:50 And someone was like you fucking weeb. Just call it Ultimate Ninja. Like no because you and those games years before they came out and great Ninja clash or whatever the fuck it's I don't even know what it's yeah I don't know either I do the same thing and I'm like okay stop hold on really we were you I remember the day you brought in our ultimate hero three to the fucking club space that was like five years before that game came out in English dude like people. Of course that's the name that burnt into your head like I don't know how to explain
Starting point is 00:45:23 this to people without fully just showing you that like I'm for this is the audio podcast but I'm holding up. I imported all four of these games in Japanese that third and fourth one are really good. I don't even know what they're called in English. I never refer I never because why would you have bought the English version. And that was years later before when like when the time for you of that game was over. It was art. You know what I mean like when this started airing on TV and it became a big deal like
Starting point is 00:45:50 I was way past that at this point because the games were following the English release of the anime. Exactly. Right. So the English version of the anime gets dubbed. It comes on TV and then they read and then they put that three old GameCube game on whatever and then that's when like so that's that's the context of that this person has for it.
Starting point is 00:46:10 Or you know what I mean. Fast lane new weebs and I'm just like I literally don't know what I only important is you know I don't think my age are you a wee boomer. I don't think my age lines up with the boomer age and oh woolly I have bad news for you as people have been calling me boomer many times in the past six months I have bad news boomer has been expanded. Oh from my dad who is a totally a baby boomer he's an old man he's a total boomer I love my dad he's such a doofus.
Starting point is 00:46:42 It's been expanded to old man like you know like whatever old weeb yeah right that no it's just boomer now it we're all boomers now boomers and their shitty entitlement they fucked up so hard that now any shitty old entitlement becomes is now boomer forever boomer. Gotcha. Okay. You can use it on anybody. Right.
Starting point is 00:47:07 You can tell kids that they're boomers if they're stupid. Okay. I mean it's complete nonsense because there is a hard locked time and year from when you are no longer a boomer. Is language descriptive or proscriptive? I'm not a grammarian. Yeah you're not. You know what grammarian is that's a boomer word.
Starting point is 00:47:25 You mean word person. I'm not a linguist either. Yeah but anyway I would change this over time man. Connotation or denotation. Yeah that's basically exactly the same thing. Yeah exactly. Yeah but I actually don't know what that one means. I don't know what denotation means.
Starting point is 00:47:43 So I don't have the English versions of these games in my brain I don't even have the box shape of the English ones because the box I'm used to is a sleeve off of a small plastic game cube. Yeah I like the Japanese game boxes actually. So it's like I'm going to talk about the game I played I'm going to talk about that Naruto game I'm going to say the name of the one I purchased that I played all the time in. Yeah new weebs.
Starting point is 00:48:11 You know I had to fucking memorize the menus based on what the characters would say. I remember when you bring that over if you walked away we wouldn't be able to play matches because like we didn't know how to pick the menus. You know if you just select it you hear Sakura go like Vasus modo you know. That's too difficult I don't want to use my ears. Anyway so that is a the idea of the anime just coming at you passively in English is something that I knew of course I knew but I don't process it as like right as a generation of people grew up and that was their world.
Starting point is 00:48:50 Yeah because we're in that time period where there's a whole generation of people that grew up in a stupid way that wasn't like ours. And what of course makes it difficult is when anybody wants to minimize and listen to whatever you're playing and you pick Japanese then of course that's. I have started playing exclusively dubs on on my twitch channel because I forget what it was I was playing something in Japanese and people were just like dude I might as well fucking leave. I want to minimize it and not I just want to listen to a podcast right now.
Starting point is 00:49:23 I'm doing something on my other screen and I'm looking over yeah but I can't follow this for shit yeah yeah and I'm like fuck is Sekiro that's what it was yeah Sekiro yeah that has a button well in any case I get it I just if it's a game that I've already played then it's like yeah that I probably won't feel two ways about it but if it's a game where like I might recognize certain voice actors or like I want to hear really good performances of certain you know yeah then I'm gonna be like damn it like I really do wish I could hear the job on the other hand based on the way I've based on my upbringing I have a preference yeah and on the other hand as I dipped my toe into the new weeb era with persona three
Starting point is 00:50:10 and four mm-hmm like back when those kind of came out mm-hmm like if you're telling me Tara Platt's gonna be kind of bitchy in the game then that fucking dub is a go yeah and you will never change my mind yeah which is fine totally makes sense there but other wise now are you then content like it's basically you're just like okay so I'm going to personally enjoy this experience a bit less mm-hmm because I have to go this way but it will aid in the minimization of your frustration of no of your content of your literal window you know like what do you what do you kind of do there especially if it's your first time playing the game and you want to experience it you know in this way it's it's it's yeah it's
Starting point is 00:50:59 a it's a toughie and of course of course right there's always the situations where you don't know what you're gonna get and it's like a Nino Cooney thing where I'm like well I'm gonna fall back on my preference yeah and it turns out that you like you mentioned oh well that was a specific case of this game yeah the only way you would have known that is because they actually did like a bunch of pre-release stuff talking about like how much work went into the dub and we're showing the dub off and the reviews came out we're like wow this dub but like since that game is now six years like you know or brand new like it's been remastered but you know what I mean like that that games like release cycle is ages past
Starting point is 00:51:41 like why would that be coming up now mm-hmm like that's just a foot no it's just a bullet point now yeah I mean I didn't know that going to see Promare I was in that it was the English dubbed version so you sat down they started going hey it's me and you're like oh a little bit a little bit especially that's gross you're a bad person because when Kamina pops up and I'm like there he is and then he starts talking and I go I don't know if that's the voice actor or not put my penis back so that that homage is partially lost on me not nothing about the homage obviously but like that reference if the voice is the same as well and then the same for the other characters that are like is that the same voice here you take your sandals off and
Starting point is 00:52:30 you put the samurai sword down on the ground and you put your penis back in your pants like I guess I'll watch this movie in English did you watch Gurren in English no it is not so when I actually very much dislike the Gurren dub okay so when you see or did you watch Kill a Kill in English no I did not yeah it came out way after so when those characters pop up you're not gonna know yeah it's it's it's just I care that's stupid I care because if it's if it's something if it's a part of what they're doing or they intentionally cast the same person in a character that looks like another character and Willie the same people in everything constantly what are you talking about well in this case it's a direct reference though is it or is it they
Starting point is 00:53:23 had the same person on staff because they work with them all the time no because the identical staff is not the identical staff of both of those shows are they identical they're not completely identical no so in this case when the character looks like a person you go oh it's like that person in like almost like an alternate reality kind of way and then they have the same voice then like yeah they're going for something intentional that I guess before you want to see that you should have watched the girl yeah yeah okay all right great sure oh it's like the point is the point is mad because you get to hear now or your Wakamoto and he was totally there he was there he was the villain and it was gonna be Norio Wakamoto probably not even there yeah I know
Starting point is 00:54:03 and you'd be like you can't come as if you wouldn't be tell all your friends oh man I really like the part when Norio Wakamoto yeah and then you're not doing the same for Akio Otsuka the amount of times that you fucking went in on how much you love his shit I haven't I mentioned that he's there and that he's been the voice of stink he has a really distinctive voice and you literally I remember you specifically being like all man there he is in something we were watching no no I don't go all man there he is like I'm excited I go oh man there he is it's so easy to pick him out his voice is so distinctive and I think that's kind of a bummer to hear the same ten actors over and over and over and over I have the total opposite view of this as you do I don't
Starting point is 00:54:57 want to hear the same voice in every single thing except for maybe Terraplat but but why though because you like it right if you like it you want to hear it well no because I think she does the best like annoyed bitchy like voice but like Yuri Lowenthal I wish I wish more like voice directors gave him the opportunity to vary up his his voice and pitch it all I general I feel that way about Hollywood in a lot of cases because like I very much think that you can give actors a chance to be good in things that you don't necessarily but of course like the the counter argument I believe there was who was it there was a video or someone was kind of explaining that like there's like 20 names that draw yeah and that's the reason they draw by default yes so it's
Starting point is 00:55:50 not even about anything besides that recognition like you don't realize how important that is in whatever productions case and like I so I super agree in that like I think most things you should definitely just cast according to the talent yeah you know but they're not for your superior weeb shit no I'm saying but there's nothing wrong with grabbing super talented people and also casting them as well I think you can do both they're not mutually exclusive goals I am I am indifferent to more often than not bummed out when I meet a new cast of characters and I already know who all of them are when you know who all of them are I know what you mean I know what you mean there it is really really frustrating I think video games have a particular thing too with like
Starting point is 00:56:43 you know the Nolan's and the Troy's that like depending on no one has so much range he has the most range of any voice actor I can think of and they all tell him to do the Drake voice right it's so fucking awful but you definitely can have like a mixture of casting that is fresh new talent and stuff that works if you have a particular image or a sound in your head for a certain person or a certain character you know especially if you design the character to sound that way if that makes any sense yeah right could you I want you to stop and picture in your head I'm glad you closed your eyes for this J Jonah Jameson talking mm-hmm okay all right and you're telling me there's any one there's like is there any other choice at this point in time there's two
Starting point is 00:57:45 there's um I fuck I forget his name but he's the guy who plays Jonah in all the movies well do you remember his name um he's the law and order man that the glad uh fucking what what the fuck's that guy it's jk simons yeah there's jk simmons and then there's the guy who did the 60s cartoon voice okay because and now the 60s cartoon voice happens to be more in our brains because of the stupid fucking twitch clips no no I've watched that dude I've watched all of it as a kid over and over that should crack me the fuck off there shouldn't be any woman in this world only children and men okay Jonah whatever you say but like at the moment yeah at this point in time is the jk simmons it's jk simmons that's right there's no other option that's correct and if you
Starting point is 00:58:29 heard another option what the fuck are you doing you're like yeah so in a in a in a situation like that is it wrong that they cast the voice that you need for this character those are different characters but but but this is what I'm getting at so when I'm saying when you have a full cast when you have a character like that there's nothing wrong with going well fucking get jk what are we gonna do not get jk simmons that's insane you know and you can have a character like that cast for someone that's like has a perfect thing for it that is definitely someone that's known yeah and then you can have other characters that are more new and can definitely establish themselves that can be other other things you know you can definitely do both and I agree with the
Starting point is 00:59:06 point that like I just think it's silly that you went to a dub and sat down or like oh no it's dub because you couldn't hear the same voice actors playing the same role that you already heard well because I wanted to know if I wasn't sure if they cast them or not and if it was that if that was the case but the answer to that question is no they didn't because you were watching the dub in that case but I also really enjoy Kamina's voice actor and I like hearing his work so I would have enjoyed that if that were what I was hearing like I don't get why it's like I like a thing and I'd like to hear the thing that I like and then I'm dumb for wanting to hear the thing I like I don't know I don't I don't I mean I don't it's not I understand you have a feeling about it but
Starting point is 00:59:48 if there's a thing that I feel kind of sad you did like the poor guy who did the I don't know the character's name Gallo Gallo it was good yeah right it was fine it was totally it was totally that was de facto tinged with like boner killing sadness because it wasn't the the guy you already knew okay well now you're put you're now you're saying boner killing sadness yeah your boner got killed which is the furthest possible thing are you sure from what I said but I saw the twinkle in your eye of sadness as you describe this and all I can think of is a different direction you know what there we go that's fine I mean you can you know it's fun to say what I just said tell me that it wasn't fun to say of course
Starting point is 01:00:31 but at the end of the day at the end of the day like if I like the thing then I like the thing and it's not a problem that it's not there it was but it was definitely just like oh fuck I thought I was going into the very subversion because I thought I was gonna hear the voice actors was it not like labeled anywhere what language it would be in no uh which is extra weird because we're here where I would expect it I didn't buy the tickets my friend got tickets okay and I just walked in and sat down I have a I have a dumb question I know it's been said before I'm supposed to pronounce it promare not promare it's not promare okay it's promare yes promare got that's just I just don't want I really don't want to seem dumb talking about this well guess what
Starting point is 01:01:18 because it's Japanese you can't possibly know yeah I know until you hear someone say it no no it's fine just but it doesn't matter because if you say it and you take a guess promare you're a moron yeah well it's the weeaboo way woolly you got it you gotta fucking you gotta fucking ballpark this stupid shit you gotta say ego and have that dumb motherfucker go crazy because you're referring to a grocery store tell us more about yakuza no no it's yakuza yakuza oh oh oh dude what was it that page lost her mind it made her so crazy we watched um the romantic uh comedy uh or a or a monogatari the that by the way monogatari in your anime title fuck off yeah yeah stop it well are you gonna say monogatari or not no no i'm talking about
Starting point is 01:02:20 it's a nisei monogatari or a monogatari whatever right but uh there's a fucking show that's uh the kadeshikano and people just it's fucking karikano shut up yeah right but um the the deal is is that uh the the main female love interest is uh is a girl named uh yamato but we were watching it and every time i wanted to talk about it i'm like oh man i really like how yamato made him those those cakes and she'd be like what i'm like yamato yamato yeah and you know when you're doing that thing and you see the the vein just start to crawl up she's like pat it's you fucking stupid canadian fuck it's yamato i'm like that's what i said yamato obviously like a yam yamato so persona voice acting yeah persona five voice acting somebody made a bad decision yep and i think it's
Starting point is 01:03:24 i think it's the voice director from atlas amazing amazing voice work uh strange pronunciations constantly but i feel like they were told to say them as americans reading them off a page not knowing how to pronounce them because i we know those voice actors know how to pronounce their own names yeah i don't know it's it's the weirdest ever and it's also not the first time these names have existed in like i've heard the correct pronunciation of some of those words come out of those actors mouths yeah like i know they know but i also but at the same time like there's there's certain things out there where like i myself will just jump between one or the other because whatever oh yeah i was watching uh i was watching a special last night that uh i think
Starting point is 01:04:18 wired does where they ask experts to break down things and there's a guy who does dialects and one of the things that he points out is that people are inconsistent in their pronunciations of certain sounds words people place names etc there's very much there are words especially being canadian where like you're you're dealing in some cases there's a melange yeah of sounds exactly right i'm glad you use that word there there's um you know there's a lot of those the spellings that change according to whether or not american you're speaking to americans or like by the way armor has a you dumb dumb and neighbor has a you sure does neighbor and i've brought up before the fact that like uh you know me like being surrounded by french canadians causes causes the the the
Starting point is 01:05:02 the cloud the cloud gas coins of the world there is a there is a no no but i mean literally recording with them oh yes causes a really ready for example yeah a very interesting contrast where it's just like yeah this is someone who's literal english is not their first language and for me in this case it's his third what's the second uh french a french yeah okay that makes sense he speaks french vietnamese and then and then english you know so it's uh there's all kinds of weird stuff out there but like i will i i referred earlier to shibon i will the next time refer to simon yep and that's just gonna happen and that's because i started with simon and then people just beat me down with the shimon shit over time yep totally beat me the fuck down i'm tired i'm really
Starting point is 01:05:46 tired of that yep argument yep so sometimes i just say it the wrong way just so people shut the fuck up take remember that time when like you heard the character say shimon i do but then the subtitle said simon and i'm and i remember this might be remember that this might be the stupidest internal thought about anime subbing and dubbing that one could ever have because those were fan dubs remember right fan subs fan subs right fan subs right and that's how you ended up with ritner village instead of litana village or whatever yep and i remember thinking wow the voice actor really fucked up the name they were given based on the fact that the fan subs had simon i was like wow the voiceover guy really botched it huh in hindsight that's a stupid thought
Starting point is 01:06:46 that's a stupid stupid thought what did the official subs say i don't know pretty sure they still say simon let's put it to the chat while we talk about some what is the official sign i'm pretty sure they still say simon simon like that's that's the that's the thing so i i think i think we're all going to have some hard ass cognitive dissonance about this in march of next year when all the english voice acted characters are going yo erith stop it and it's just like clashing very hard internally with 15 plus years of i know what that character's name is well so this is where it it really breaks down because everyone has very strong opinions one way or the other but what it really comes down to is how much do you trust a non-native speaker when
Starting point is 01:07:46 pronouncing a non-native name in japanese as the official canon so right and if you if you think that what is said is what it officially is and that's the end of the story that's how you end up with gatsu certainly right or uh i with what's intended i have had a different a view of this for a long time and i will take a different final fantasy character uh terra brandford who in the japanese version is named tina right terra is a better name i don't care that she's actually tina okay terra is better i will see you that and i will raise you avdol can fuck off it's not great forever it's not good when we all know that abdull is a real name it's obviously supposed to be abdull and it's not just like abdull is a real name it's paula
Starting point is 01:08:43 abdull you stupid fuck it's very clear so if you're coming and saying inna it's avdol though not a real name actually fuck off yeah right that's the point where i'm like i don't give a shit what you think it's very clear what the reference is and also when we move to erith like it becomes clear that terra and tina and eris and erith erith is supposed to be like the earth because of the planet is it yes i didn't know that dude erith i never put that together but i never put together that earth was was what they were going for there yeah interesting okay but like eris sounds i like putting a th at the end of a fucking name sucks it's unpleasant to say very much so um is there any normal english names that end in th
Starting point is 01:09:42 do you know anybody okay normal english names i don't know there's a lot of stupid cat fucking idiots you know that are naming their kids i don't call them keith keith keith bradani or what keith keith is probably the most normal one gareth yeah i have fucking gareth fuck gareth i don't know any gareth i yes you do you just call him googly because you hate saying gareth oh but that's internet people you know him what the fuck okay though my point is is that you go out of your way it has not to say gareth i haven't had a vocal conversation with googly gareth yeah i know but when you describe him do you say oh yeah my buddy gareth or do you say oh yeah googly it's googly yeah because fuck th sounds at the end of words it sucks um keith is probably the one
Starting point is 01:10:38 that's the most normal fight yeah you know uh but yeah you know so hey there you go abdule tina strong opinions everyone's got strong opinions it just sounds right or it doesn't i don't know but it's inconsistent and that is true i remember oh man i remember pissing off my french teacher so bad because she was like why are you why are you saying it like that in my like grade nine french class like because that i think that sounds better and she's like well that's wrong like but it sounds better and then another kid was like yeah it sounds better that way so it's wrong that is not how you say it and then i was like i'm gonna keep saying it how i want to say it yeah there was something that
Starting point is 01:11:23 came there's one that came up recently or like i switch it up every time i say it in the middle of the same conversation either yeah i've do that as well it's and people point out and you're like i guess i'm stupid i don't know one of those i guess my brain is dumb um like i will always say automata and automata interchangeably depending on how hard you think about it at the moment do i do i hit a speed bump then it's automata if i'm if i'm going off without thinking it's automata and you know you know when i ended up doing it when i streamed it you know my solution to that was because i got so annoyed by it was that i just started calling it automatic tomatoes every time to make the joke they don't have to deal with it i didn't have to deal with
Starting point is 01:12:08 it anymore okay is it fully coolie or furry curry it's flcl or is it flcl if you we're gonna sit down right here and be like okay what's it it's it's what is it uh so that's extra fucking baffling because in the english dub they say both interchangeably exactly so what is it what are you gonna get mad i'm gonna get mad at um i i need to watch golden boy i just talked about the golden boy exactly just now on the way over here yeah that dub is incredible and everyone who's typing in all caps fight amongst yourselves yeah fight yourselves don't battle to the death see we can trick the new weebs because they're young they don't know about the old old weeb wars you know
Starting point is 01:13:00 yeah it's it's a fucking there's no right answer unless there's a right answer and then sometimes even the right answer is not the one that everyone decides to go with because there are creators that come out and go it's pronounced like this and then everyone goes that's stupid i know many many people who will fight hennernobu sekiguchi on titus i know or eno is eno that i don't think anybody's fighting over that one okay but then what if the announcer of the game says that's right what if the announcer of the game oh my god says i guess and then the character says i what if the announcer of the game uh uh uh uh god what was the other one fuck me uh what if the announcer of the game says how wrong
Starting point is 01:14:02 that's the one how wrong that's is taken say whichever right then what i don't know i don't know kikisuke kikisuke what what if the game itself says something else rude like you see the how wrong being the in-game pronunciation of a character is hilarious whoring yes obviously whoring and other characters talk to him and say whoring it's a korean name it's not hard to pronounce in english but that's that's like but that's the perfect example of what i'm talking about oh somebody anybody who wants to die on that hill can point to an in-game asset i have i have one that tell you to go fuck yourself i have one that is like 20 years old that somebody just pointed out how do you pronounce zangief oh zangief
Starting point is 01:14:57 do you pronounce it zangief do you pronounce it zangief yeah you said zangief the the announcers in the in the games pronounce it all sorts of different fucking way it's the mouth sounds that my cousin made when the game came home and we played it as kids that's the sounds and then you just skip it and you just call him gief but then the same mouth the same mouth sounds that came from my cousin were all yuken and tak tak tak token really and maduken you're wow your cousin's a fucking idiot and they don't want to fucking know japanese oh you you figured out that it was tatsumaki senpai senpukyaku i knew that it was the first time you just said so no so basically whatever it was like when i was like fucking whatever like six or whatever we did be like
Starting point is 01:15:42 maduken and like knock you to the floor and be like oh you get actually no because i remember i played street fighter everyone said all yuken i remember playing street fighter 2 after i played sonic 2 and sonic 2 was the first game that i remember seeing the credits for and i went and my dad happened to be next to me at the time and i went dad because i was like seven like i don't understand are these the people's names they look so weird and he's like oh yeah because they're japanese names i'm like what what's japan like i literally didn't know it was a country okay and he's like oh yeah this is japanese and then i like did one sec i looked it up in encyclopedia and discovered that there was a different language involved and then so when i encountered that it was
Starting point is 01:16:27 like oh that's part of a language i don't speak as a child yeah so you do the next best thing so what was your excuse dumb woolly child the thing that literally every other video gamer on the planet did which was repeat the sounds you thought you heard which are the only game i ever remember doing that with was i'd like some pound cake is a joke that everyone understands if nobody understood that joke no one would be laughing at why that joke is you're a fucking no because i saw that in a newgrounds animation a while ago and i'm like oh that i don't get it no i got it i i'm like oh that sounds like that but people said that the that the whole gibberish fighting game noises joke the the only time i did that was for Mortal Kombat because it was gibberish
Starting point is 01:17:20 anyway you could tell you could tell was gibberish when riding came across the screen it was gibberish when riding came flying across the screen yes it was but in Street Fighter everyone just yelled out the thing they thought like i'm the oldest weeb of all you know what the clearest crispest never mistaken sound was in that game what's that tiger yeah there's no mistaking that also you heard a lot yes so there was you had plenty of practice there but there was it was very clear what that was so in a game where you're like oh yeah that guy's saying tiger and then he's saying tiger uppercut clearly the other sounds could have been clearer if they wanted them to be but there are what they are so you're getting simple yeah not that confusing i'd be like i don't know
Starting point is 01:18:14 what that is tatsu maki senpu kyaku get the fuck out of here you're hearing that no i didn't you're not listening no no i'm not saying you are i'm not saying anybody is actually reading that reading into that no of course not you know i'd be like i don't know what the fuck you're saying but i definitely didn't go what'd you say do do do the kaka kaku much thanks but don't forget back you all over the bar yeah that's a good one i like that you have a black blood before you try again you know oh i love that shit i took the token that's wrong yeah it's probably printed in a game pro i bet you i can find an old ass game magazine that literally has madukan or i don't get that all you can in it there's
Starting point is 01:19:10 clearly a hot at the beginning of that in fact why i think i feel like i'm remembering a joke somewhere where someone made a reference to like all you can eat like like ken's all you can eat barbecue or something like that in a magazine that's like that's that's dumb that's coming back to me from some old magazine probably a game pro at the time if not an e gm as long as as long as you're not sitting there playing the street fighter going all i can hear um uh fucking re you say is bar bar bar bar bar then you're good no not no not doing it for you no okay so that's a bit of a roman history joke okay because you know the word barbarian that is in reference to the fact that the germanic tribes when described by romans would be like oh they just fucking talk their dumb
Starting point is 01:20:09 gibberish bar bar bar bar bar bar right okay okay got so that's what that's what barbarian means it means that the language you're hearing is like but like whatever yeah yeah yeah yeah but in this case it was like proto english proto german as it's as if you were to take any of like it was if you were to say oh yeah those are the bork borkians absolutely yeah yeah the borkers are coming and then fast forward a couple hundred years and it becomes natural language yeah yeah uh speaking of uh barbarians uh i heard the funniest thing now we can count like if like if we had like a penny for every time someone recommended vinland saga right i would have four pennies okay i would have many dollars okay um obviously this is a pretty good
Starting point is 01:20:58 thing and i threw those pennies away obviously this is probably a pretty good thing that's worth checking out yeah well so that's understood it's just a matter of like yeah it's about the borkers haven't sat down yet and whatever but i but i know right but one of the funniest things that i was talking to a friend about yesterday was about how um you brought up that like super good show that's like based on this like it's like old like you know viking time frame um but there's like a love interest in the show that just acts supremely japanese of course apparently and like it is just kind of like that's the one filter that just has to get gotta get over there airlifted and then put through the time portal and then dropped into the past
Starting point is 01:21:42 and i just go i don't understand why borky may won't make my lunch like oh viking senpai and i i guess i just viking senpai and borky may and i um it's one of those bits where i'm like it got me thinking about the topic of just like like yeah but if it's not like this type of character then how will you know it's a love interest there there are certain yeah there are certain cultural tropes that you just jam in there no matter how inappropriate it is you know like you could just make it like not japanese but your frame of reference is that so i get it but i also appreciate when something comes along like monster yeah where the main character is definitely japanese but he's japanese guy who's been immigrated to germany for like 20 years
Starting point is 01:22:38 or something as they travel across europe and it's it's europe it's 99.9 percent germans and checks there's no there's no japan field emanating from the main character yeah the main character moves across the main character in monster happens to be dr tenma and is from japan but he went to university in uh munich i think or whatever or something or yeah just like and he just happens to be a japanese character and other people as you travel that world are like very much not japanese and more than it's i was like yeah i like that the more you want and all hit all the side kicks are all german because it's like if you're gonna pick a period piece and a location like you want to do that like when i when i embrace that part of it i think back on monster like you look
Starting point is 01:23:30 at it and like the flow of the structure of the story and it's like tenma as a japanese man who is a doctor has two things that would like that his meeting a japanese guy helps in the story one he is on the run for the vast majority of the story any japanese guy with his build and height and look is going to be more distinctive than a german character in the same thing right and two part of the story is his issues struggling with the use of violence as he is a total pacifist doctor yeah which makes sense for somebody coming out of like 1970s 80s post-war japan etc yeah and he's never held a gun and he you know all these things yeah it it it yeah it just it it like you it's a much more like cromulant setting it is it is a much more cromulant setting
Starting point is 01:24:30 yeah yeah so um i i enjoy that when when the the field is not emanating off of the the you did that on purpose i assume whatever you know it's a word now yeah totally you know also freak me out about that yoink or yoinks it came from that also yeah but they've been a i mean dough was entered like years ago like they've been doing that for a while now so that's you know um anyway let's take a quick word from response let's do that this week the podcast is sponsored by mac welden and mac what up the mission stem their mission statement is simple smartly designed clothes clothes clothes there's an s at the end so it's okay clothes garments
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Starting point is 01:30:39 you like trees I know this we've talked about how you love trees audible saving the world one audiobook at a time one audiobook at a time how you might ask well for those who are late to the bit the multiple year long for those who are late to the gimmick you see uh books are garbage and you need to stop reading them yeah are you reading a book throw that away dumbass you know all those times when those people decided that we need to round up all those books and and make a big old fire what wait wait now I'm not saying what but that was the right move I think we should try a different bit but okay there's a better way to use your time while not sacrificing paper because you cut your fingers on it and then you spill your coffee on it and then it gets
Starting point is 01:31:42 all creased and it stops being perfect yeah you know you know when you when you open up a new book for the first time you hear that of the paper opening yeah that's that book's no longer fresh it's it's imperfect forever there are there are dust spores that shooting your brain when that happens like you've now ruined that cover page yeah and then the moment you turn the first page over that's ruined too put the put back put it back down you can't books are garbage get out what you want is audio books yeah audio books good it's the future audible is the best place to start listening there's so many inspiring voices from compelling stories um new experiences new ways of thinking audible is out there with like just just about anything they got pretty much everything they got
Starting point is 01:32:27 pretty much everything and and and and you can have it inserted into your brain perfect quality the whole time yeah you never ruin it by by reading it like a physical thing you know what I just realized this is actually a new addition to the bit that I have never considered once there is a genuine day-to-day flat advantage to an audiobook over regular book most of the reading or audiobook listening that I have done is out of the house right reading stuff or learning stuff is an out of the house travel activity for pat right when you're reading a book that does not stop anyone from just talking to you it does not give you a periphery of leave me the fuck alone there you go but headphones do totally do headphones do headphones do here's the other thing for me it's more about
Starting point is 01:33:20 found time yeah right we went through life not knowing that doing an activity doing that doing an activity in the past used to take up the entire slot yeah of that time but now a second track bar has been introduced to your life which is the audio what are you listening to you can do an activity and listen to something at the same time and now you have two forms of micromanagement that you can use throughout your life you can multitask and every time that audio track bar is empty you're wasting opportunity you're wasting it those points are going nowhere right you could be building up and leveling up by using both tracks but you're not using both tracks listen books need hands and eyes and focus those things are pointless you don't need that over your ears that's what
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Starting point is 01:35:01 in the word super beast and you text it yeah and then you should get a reply that will give you all the information that you know that's weird yeah so that's a future man well that's that's that's hey you know what you people who are listening right now what that like you you can you can browse or you can just text a few you know it's convenient kind of like audible is how about that it's that you really you really wrapped it up all pretty in a nice bow there it's super simple so once again that's audible.com slash super beast uh or text super beast to 500 500 for your 30-day audible trial and your first audiobook plus two audible originals thanks audible thanks audible um yeah we just fucking flew all over the place with whatever yeah um
Starting point is 01:35:58 that's fine i love finding new ways to say books are garbage true that that cracks me up oh yeah every time oh the best way to advertise something is to find something to dunk on yeah and then just like just fucking start shitting just power dunk it yeah just infinitely into the ground worthless literally idea i was looking around just going like i don't have any bookshelf space left no you gotta fill with anime and figures crammed crammed you're getting bonus on this one audible straight up that's real we believe in bookshelves for video games not paper and and it's honestly becoming a world of like if it's physical it's because it's a limited edition thing yeah because otherwise well i really hope we get a fucking uh soylent ad at one point so that i can just dump on the concept
Starting point is 01:36:48 of food hmm like the concept of food is stupid and i resent it except for when it tastes super good yeah but that's pointless that's transitory yeah but it's pleasure it's mouth pleasure yeah sure it's transitory but what is the purpose of this holy i'm talking like we're talking in ad speak right now but yeah i know i eat things with my mouth but they're they're that's not a sponsor right i know but if it were then either way like what is life if not all about seeking pleasure and avoiding pain well you could say that you're trying to uplift yourself into a higher form of human being and according to what metric i don't know watch more star trek you'll get more confused uh the bad guy in the thing that says that his ideal of what humans have to
Starting point is 01:37:45 become is the only way forward yeah yeah i think man i had a moment the other day where i was like man i love arguing with people conflict is the nature of the human experience if you're not having conflict then what's the point of and like oh no i'm a super fill it oh no darn everyone's got their ideals gotta kill superman that's my ideal right there the moment you get them try to impose yours on other people you become the super villain oh man what if my ideal is free puppies but you're imposing free puppy yes so everyone has to take a puppy that's correct even those who are allergic deathly hell yeah yeah so now you're getting better yeah so now you're super villain
Starting point is 01:38:33 yeah okay but puppies but you killed the person who was allergic to that puppy good then we can have a more puppy puppyful world right exactly you do you see how this works oh wow you're super right that it's just like a fucking a to b to c on one to one there's no c no there's a c the b is the death of the person yeah and then the c is uh you look at the death of the person go oh yeah so good b is the super villainy like the the it's the it's the end the means no see the line the death is the line no see here's the thing for me the line is not the death the law the line is you look at the death and you either go good or i don't care that's the line sure but the point is if you go ah crap whoops anything can be super villainous
Starting point is 01:39:23 yeah providing that you impose it on others yeah okay and yeah the remorse doesn't necessarily modify that because if you do or don't have remorse there's you can be a super villain with tons of remorse we know some great ones yeah in fact those are often like Goku they're often super compelling yeah when they're remorseful you're thinking about plagues video aren't you no oh yeah okay plague did a good video on that wakfu character the robot did he yeah cool oh you didn't you didn't see it it's fantastic i haven't seen it it's really good you should check it out okay let's plague of gripes yeah well he's the one that told me about that character to begin yeah it's
Starting point is 01:40:09 like a half hour long it's really good oh fucking great yeah yeah got video parts what an awesome description for a character really good yeah really really really really really like that that description that i got of that character and uh that's why i brought it up so um anyway um yeah talk about premier talk about siren our wildtarts um of course uh siren our wildtarts currently up on woolly versus also um i'm gonna be uh you know continuing to play astral chain hey where you at on that uh excuse me fire i forget because they're super huge i'm at the one that's about to be really long so or no okay how many leads did you got uh i got arm okay you got arms that's file four and i'm and i'm the one after that that's file five that yeah yeah fucking
Starting point is 01:41:03 a third through the game yeah thumbs up yeah um is that game not like fucking the most gigantic thing ever it's crazy uh i just there's little things that uh there's a little thing that like happened to rise like i ended up ended up ended up having a discussion about like boss fights and like the core of what makes them good and what what i don't like in them and you know how like ads are almost universally just like terrible yeah um in some cases like control ads exist so that you can heal yeah and that's literally the only reason they exist because if not you would die yeah um so something i hate more than ads is um page is a bullshit on the floor action stoppers yeah right uh poison gas i would rather if if i would rather just take a health penalty
Starting point is 01:41:53 yeah or damage and fight in the gas than a movement stopper yeah okay right um and like even in like bao one there's like the little thing that turns you into a baby cereza yeah and it's very brief and you can still run around but it's like ah but i'm stuck in the guck is anti fun yeah it's not good no no i agree so but it did display an ability that the arm legion has i think that's why that's there and that's because then you never deal with it ever again because that is clearly like oh yeah this doesn't have that problem so you just arm and then that problems doesn't exist so it's a teaching moment it reminds me of bayonetta and the the fire patches and derga on your feet right right uh no you need both no you need you need you need fire on hands
Starting point is 01:42:45 and feet nope you just need them on your feet and walk over the stuff wait no no no okay not for that it's for fire enemies yeah fire enemies you need them on your hands if it's just the hands the hit and they it's a distinction between what is actually hitting the enemy but for the patches you only need the the feet so that was a teaching moment but it unfortunately led to some anti fun yeah um anyway uh so yeah all that continues uh ninokuni and took a look at some other stuff as well including um uh oh well gonna continue playing river city girls because it's not that long it's really good too so that that that the the the the the fucking track the hunt that you see the here in the mall mm-hmm is the best track in the game and it's just great yep took a look at
Starting point is 01:43:32 blasphemous um so i have a lot to say about blasphemous how do you like blasphemous i really like blasphemous uh i it's a better it's like it because okay i had a lot of experience like with that type of game because i went really far into um death scambit mm-hmm i didn't beat it but i put a lot of i have i have a i went pretty far into it and this is a tighter version of that uh i like a lot of their choices obviously the parry's sick you know that goes without saying um it's interesting how you can your corpse run is not the same as a normal it's very different right if you don't care about magic you don't have to do it and it's sectioned off into each death yeah so you know you don't have a corpse and then it and then the new spot happens if it's
Starting point is 01:44:29 close enough to the old corpse it'll just combine but you can die in multiple places and have multiple corpses floating around and they all they do is they take a bar of your of your that's not all they do they take a bar of your magic away and they do something else that i don't uh when you pick them up they heal you okay um i 100% at blasphemous on thursday thursday whatever uh yeah the 100% 0.0% on that file i'm done it feels really good it is the most satisfied i have been completing a game in a long time hour count 17 good um there is the perfect amount of hidden stuff and collectibles in that i was consistently finding them and then when i was done like when i was actually done i did one lap and picked up like three collectibles that i had forgotten to
Starting point is 01:45:25 pick up and was at 100% i broke a hidden wall and then i went oh no yes you did is there any sort of item that gives you a little bit 70% through the game you get a bell that rings when it's a secret on the screen literally all i want it is just the thing you put that stopped me from hitting every wall put that bell on and you never take it off lovely and you're done lovely how about that lower button i read every single piece of the lore in the at game except for all the bones because those are kickstarter backers it is all fantastic yes um and uh uh it's interesting because like playing this as well uh with the boys like led to another sort of understanding and discussion where is reggie catholic no no okay because that would have because i need to get a hold of
Starting point is 01:46:20 somebody yeah who's catholic yeah because this game is fucking catholic but fake catholic no spanish catholic so fake that oh no yeah whatever no i mean the helm it's real yeah yeah a lot of of that imagery is coming straight out of the fucking dunk fire like of of horrible suck at spaniards you know yeah it's getting what better way to have faith than to have it beaten into you so um Catholicism appears to be about suffering i'm just saying yeah uh we talked about Mother Teresa a little bit there but it was really interesting because uh uh so min for example who's like there's two things going on one he's buddhist so like he's like a lot of this lore is just totally divorced yeah no idea but second a game with lots of reading and talking
Starting point is 01:47:16 means a sleepy boy you know and it's just like okay so there's you get a vast so you talked about this when you play control yes you talked about last week blasphemous has a really different flow depending on whether or not you want to read that shit or not because they're it's long those descriptions are really long in some cases i i i found i found there were all one page there were dark yeah they're one page but some are five sentences and some are massive paragraphs okay but i enjoyed every single one of them it's also like the way the NPCs speak and um the entire art style we're talking about pronunciation today so i want to use this because it reminded me blasphemous has my favorite pronunciation of any word i have heard in years and is the way every
Starting point is 01:48:08 character in that game says the word the miracle like the the call is like way under emphasized and it doesn't sound like the miracle that we think of it sounds like something horrible like it's the worst thing that ever happened but they're talking about it's like oh the grievous miracle and it's like ah oh that's great yeah fantastic job with the voice acting in that fantastic and the i said that looking at the quality of the sprite art it feels like there was an artist that was just making his own horror sprite based artwork yeah and someone came along and just started making a game underneath him you know like it feels like he was just making stuff and then a programmer just started taking his files and putting it into something because
Starting point is 01:49:01 there's so many like moments where any other game would be like oh you want to have a conversation here with this character then you're gonna have two big portraits talking to each other like rpg and here it cuts to an fmv it cuts to that's not an fmv it's a sprite based cut scene like old pc games it cuts to the 1996 introduction video for eye of the beholder two on your vga graphic card yep and like it's that right intro it's so specific and like you're getting them pretty generally uh generously they're they're front loaded and back loaded okay um but that time when you give the mea culpa to the fucking thing and you see the design of the sword yeah and then you see the statue and then like you're like oh oh every little detail also i would highly recommend
Starting point is 01:49:57 to anyone who is enjoying or going to play blasphemous maybe occasionally look up some latin phrases because latin is head to toe all over that fucking game hmm yeah i'm like oh yeah me a culpa that's your that's your legal term yeah but um yeah what a what a fantastic uh 2d soulsvania so i don't know what to call it because it is calling them souls as it's metroid like that's its primary influence yeah but i was reading something somewhere and somebody came up with a much better way to describe it instead of being a metroidvania it feels more like somebody took all the castlevania one levels and just fucking stitched them together because some of those levels are just fucked and they feel like old fucked castlevania the
Starting point is 01:50:54 problem with all of this terminology is that metroid refers to the layout of the map this game is metroid as you know uh and how you progress through rooms and sections yeah thevania obviously for the the the castlevania games that like adopt a similar approach and then the souls things is based on corpse run item lore leveling and usually boss encounters yeah right so both terms are actively descriptive last one is does a weird thing and i don't i've played a lot of these games and so have you so maybe you can help me because its structure is way more open than your average metroid game or metroidvania most metroid games or metroidvania games or castlevania games it is you can really only go so far off that first path until you get the item the traversal item
Starting point is 01:51:49 and then that will allow you to go the top part and then that will open right and so and it just opens up like a tree branch in blasphemous you can go everywhere in the first half of the game right away yeah and then once you kill the three bosses you can go everywhere in the second half of the game right away until you kill the three bosses and then you can go fight the final boss yeah so i branched down to a really hard area and went okay i'm good and then went back to the original i folded back to the original branch opened up a shortcut yeah went yay and then realized there was another branch i forgot about on the way there are a bunch and like okay yeah i'm feeling that map yeah that game is incredible however as a recommendation i would recommend
Starting point is 01:52:38 that everybody excited to play that game right now wait one or two weeks as there are many ways for your save file to get fucked up god damn it bosses don't stop attacking animations that they've already started after they die if they kill you simultaneously you will have all your upgrades disappear you may get trapped in boss rooms there's one boss if you kill it fast enough that it dies before its phase change it will phase change and lock you into an animation that kills you and then you will get trapped forever um so this too sounds like death scambit yes uh the team has a patch in the works right now saying it fixes most of the known issues almost all of which are save game ones um but save game issue bad when i was playing it every
Starting point is 01:53:40 time i was gonna go fight a boss i went and had a backup of a save there are a couple that are known problems and it's because they attack after their deaths okay um there's uh uh so you played a bunch of them you said you didn't touch that one right didn't touch that that didn't touch it but you touched salt and sanctuary i did can't stand it right hate it right um there's something immediately to uh i mean we talked about it before a couple times but it's like there's something to these games where it's like the moment you grab it and you touch the controls on it right i got it the first time i picked up um um um dead cells yeah where you're like this is the this is the good you're like good this is the good one right and
Starting point is 01:54:26 then um yeah and salt and sanctuary you're like this is the and that's why i hit it this is the slidey one yeah right like right away it's damn don't want it it's the unity or the the slidey the asset you know no thanks the flashy one vectory whatever the term is um and then blasphemous it's like oh no this is the good one this is a super nintendo game this is this is actually no this is a genesis game um it feels like a fucking genesis yeah and it's like and it's i guess it's just the difference between like feeling like everything it's it's this is super wrong right but it's the feeling that everything is happening like in a pixel grid versus yeah i know what you mean cardboard shapes with strings moving them a sliding sliding around the place
Starting point is 01:55:10 yeah how slidey is our things i don't like slides slidey things doesn't feel good yeah um you know did he swing the sword with a uh an animation or did the limb go up and then rotate down yeah you know um and and and it just it don't like that slidey even when the game is great i'm always going to last feels really good and i want to give blasphemous big ups for being the first of these games to have the very first combat encounter be a boss fight yeah you don't even get the tutorial it's your asylum demon right yeah but asylum demon you get all you go all the way through the fucking undead asylum this is the first time you swing your sword and an enemy it's a boss it tells you that before it teaches you had a jump and it's not a hard boss but you learn yeah um
Starting point is 01:56:06 yeah man shoutouts to tweening shoutouts to just insane levels of detail in and and and to like clearly like it's not that pc pixel art stuff old pc pixel art style it's something newer and better yeah but it it's it's it's built off of the back of that exactly um yeah blasphemous is gorgeous and super fucked up it's uh hey if you take some of that stuff to its logical conclusion ah you ever played blackthorne i have not played blackthorne there's a bunch of prisoners tied up throughout the game in blackthorne you can talk to them or you can kill them yeah um does in this game is there anything fucking nothing you know what those prisoners are there are lanterns on the wall so i was i was wondering about that but then i never got anything the only thing you need a
Starting point is 01:56:59 special item i picked up an item that said you get a chance of getting some stuff yeah i never got stuff okay i was wondering about that and then i was like oh that's brutal now fuck them but then it was also like yeah but aren't you putting them out of their misery and it's like hmm yeah until you come back onto that screen so yeah so there's the save bugs and then there's one bug that's really bad which is spike pits are instantaneous death and when i say instantaneous it is a one frame death you touch the spike with your foot your character one frames into i'm dead on the spikes mega man it's no prince persho okay like it's hilarious okay your uh guilt can spawn on those spikes it's not supposed to it's supposed to spawn on the platform uh and then you're like well
Starting point is 01:57:47 fuck and then you go you have to go to the the the guilt statue to get it back yikes uh so yeah that sounds bad patch incoming games incredible the instant that patch hits and fixes those save bugs go get it uh i've never seen like an opening branch to the upgrade tree where i'm like i want all of these paths every single one like i like oh you figured me out like you put something i want on every single branch here god damn is they're all really good that stinger path though is the best one well i want the all i am telling you numerically that stinger prism yeah but i just like that was the a sign of a well-distributed upgrade yeah it's it's short and sweet it's really good that game's really good yeah music great too everything audio visual packages stellar
Starting point is 01:58:45 uh came out of almost nowhere too i i feel like i did i had heard about it and it was a kickstarter game that was quite old hmm would you be shocked to hear that was made by a bunch of spanish devs i would not because there you go it's like bursting yeah with with catholic it's so catholic that like the christian part of it just bounces right off of yeah there's you see jesus on screen one and never again yeah the christian part of it just like it doesn't resonate at all because i'm like this is so into uh the obscure weird shit oh what's the fucking word the there's a specific trinity no there's a word for i forgot it i had it in my mind burned a second ago but it's a word for basically the catholic canon dogma the dogma thank you yeah
Starting point is 01:59:43 yeah so it's it's oozing all of that um even just like the the little npcs that are just like washing the backs of the and kissing the wounds yeah and you're just like like gross oh that that i want to do that mmm that's a tumor um but anyway uh yeah so that that that's going to be popping up this week uh on woolly versus and uh you've you were yeah i stream the whole fucking thing 100 percent well no i stream the whole thing 99.75 percent and then as 10 minutes after the end of the stream i went and found two cherubs that i had missed right on um and uh i've been i've been uh putting it like i said it before but i've been keeping up with my like grind and samurai showed out yeah and already talking about how you beat his fucking ass did he yeah where on twitter
Starting point is 02:00:39 did he yeah oh he was like after some event or something he you you you was like hey well let's have imagine you went 50 on him yeah um well i'm because i'm going to see you taku this weekend yeah okay so i'm going to i'm going to down to orlando i'm gonna be competing there um and uh i believe what's the other tournament coming up um well there's canada cup which i'm definitely yeah so like i think i'm gonna i'm gonna head out to to even though it's much further this time around but like there's summer samurai showdown tour happening so like i'm trying to get that darly in i have a question for you yeah because this this is gonna cycle back to a question a topic we had a couple weeks ago which was that feeling when your character just sucks
Starting point is 02:01:24 ass mm-hmm and then right after that conversation darly got like hugely buffed right immediately and then a week after that i saw something you post on twitter which is against ukyo nothing darly does is safe or fast enough to not get instantly beat out by like a jab on every situation that slide yeah is that still accurate mm-hmm what does that do to your soul uh what is that match that match is don't be predictable uh it so i thought that turned it all i for i thought on paper that turns the situation into like a 10 oh almost yeah and it turns out that it doesn't um because they still have to make reads and movements and guess when i'm gonna do things right but it just means that if they do guess there's a button they can hit it exactly and it
Starting point is 02:02:21 and it means that like i have to do a lot of uphill work to get openings but yeah ukyo can slide button that is pressed is that not infuriating yeah but uh you're just dealing with it okay you know i was just curious because like seeing that after that conversation and follow up was just like you fucking for real that looks fucked yeah yeah and and in an execution it turned out to be less of a problem than i was worried about oh good but still a very real concern because yeah like you're just you can get challenged on block like a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot you know so um anyway uh that's gonna be going down as well um yeah and i think and i believe this week gonna take a look at uh ninja warriors again okay uh daemon x machina and uh
Starting point is 02:03:25 either goose game or something else fun so all that over on willy versus come check it out if you want to see some fun uh so let's see talked about blasphemous incredible super good i also went back and this is gonna be way after three years i think of not touching it i went back and finished the entirety of the blood and wine expansion for witcher three it's good it's more witcher three it's really good it has a really fantastic ending for gerald the character like you mean the setup for the netflix series no i mean it's a really good ending for that character after you've gone through all of the games and all of the dlcs it's a good it's a good one um i also beat and i will talk about this in very careful terms because i think you will
Starting point is 02:04:26 actually go back to it control remember when i was like you were like oh they're setting up all this weird shit and i was like it goes places it goes places that have answers like real answers as to what that is or why that is or whatever and those answers are great it is so scary when you are playing a game like that that's all mysterious and ooh what could it be oh that the mystery is going to be garbage that it sucks yeah uh it was really funny with alan wake because it was aping steven king novels and a bunch of steven king novels have terrible endings um and then alan wake had a really good one this one has a really good one and in particular i mean it too is out right now in in in particular near the end of the game i ran into a weird issue specifically
Starting point is 02:05:28 because i was streaming it so i'm streaming it and there is a wonderful option for streamer people turn off the copyrighted turn off the copyrighted music except i started to get near the 80 mark and every day i had people messaging me on every social media they could get a hold of before you sit down for the next extension turn that shit off if the vaude gets muted fine if the youtube video gets taken down give up but you will fucking ruin that game for yourself if you do not have the music on for the sequences you are about to do hmm and i thought that's ridiculous then i did the sequence they were talking about that is not ridiculous hmm now i don't know if you're gonna record it or play it or whatever if you don't record it and you're just playing it for
Starting point is 02:06:24 yourself obviously you don't need to worry about this just do whatever there's a point in the game where you should turn it off if you are recording or streaming it and it's it's the maze okay the game will say go to the maze turn the fucking music back on because that sequence is incredible the downside to that is that that is the highlight of the whole game and it is followed by the worst part of the entire game like it's it's the best most incredible perfectly directed sequence followed by a terrible long easy to fail with terrible checkpoints combat sequence that just drags that being said all in all game is real good and it does something really cool after you beat it in that the the game will acknowledge that you beat it and jesse will
Starting point is 02:07:18 have new dialogue for every single area in the game that's the coolest thing i've heard in the terms of a new game plus since chrono trigger that's incredible that's really really incredible like you will you will have won and you will have dealt with the problem right and you are going that's a new game and you are you are going around in new game not new game plus sorry post game post game not not new game plus my bad oh okay i was like that's what i misspoke that's a huge difference i'm sorry in the post game okay you are going around and your character jesse will acknowledge that like oh like that it is the post game and talk about restructuring or how to fix this or what have you okay good game good use of music
Starting point is 02:08:07 uh terrible final boss just terrible terrible final boss man numerous uh it is but but i'd rather you drop that than drop the mystery yeah the mystery nails it it totally it kills it because between the two like and and like at the end of the day i still have fun feelings for bioshock yep but the ending that sucked but yet the feeling remains yeah because that game that game that bioshock i think is one of the only games i will ever say that game should have ended two to three hours earlier it should have just ended like i say that about a bunch of games but but bioshocks is very overt because everyone knows exactly where that game should end it yeah yeah but yeah that's it for me uh i'm gonna be uh streaming
Starting point is 02:09:03 a bunch of shit this week uh over at twitch.tv slash angriest pat i'm gonna be streaming what time is it right now it's 3 30 p.m cool i'm gonna be streaming uh surge two uh earlier tonight as a sponsored stream uh they were kind enough to give me a code and some money so i'll be doing that jokes on them i was totally already gonna stream it um i'm gonna be streaming untitled goose game i'm gonna streaming ff7 i'm gonna also get to take a look at ashen because that's a souls lake that's coming up or no that's the souls that did come out and code vein also comes out on friday yep so there's a lot of soul shit yep yep yep coming out so look out forward to that at twitch.tv slash angriest pat uh okay so slow news week that's fine we fucked around a lot
Starting point is 02:10:00 yes we have fucked around for two hours we call that evergreen content that's evergreen content evergreen content evergreen content you can go back and listen to any of that anytime and it doesn't matter what's happening in current events yeah we got that far with all that evergreen content blasphemous is still going to be weird and catholic 10 years from now but this week and this week alone blackface will be blackface brownface will be brownface that ain't no good man okay i don't want to live in this fucking reality okay okay okay i don't i don't i don't care how seriously you take costuming man i'd like i can't recreate i cannot recreate the noises i made because i like it was a snort chortle a snortle if you would
Starting point is 02:11:19 of just like i just lost it when i read that headline and then every subsequent headline about how our prime minister it wasn't even black it was brownface was the first headline pic photos emerge of justice you know wearing brownface at a party theme about radiant nights and i'm like at this time of year located entirely in this election where you're running against a seek candidate that is fucking perfection so that's so holy shit and then that's so step one is just the like everyone has a different reaction i did laugh a little but at the same time i was like oh like just full on mic still clausa just howling oh no howling but the howling slash freaking out of embarrassment
Starting point is 02:12:26 was the following day of hey is a guy a friend of mine said hey pat how do you feel about your prime minister being a serial blackfacer and then wait what what are you talking about the headlines the headlines as they read according to the newspapers saying things such as Justin Trudeau says he does not know how many times he has wore blackface in his life and then the reporters follow-up question being can you round it up to the nearest five or ten i love the way that politicians get fucked with in this country dude i love the answer is at least three oh man at least three you know of all the of all the sorts of international crises that we could be going through up here in canada
Starting point is 02:13:33 we get the fucking just it is a sketch it's a sketch it is a it's a sketch that if this hour had 22 minutes had performed people would say it was too much and it would be an outrage like cbc fucking comedy team like it is not real how fucking oh my god yeah all right and you go through that moment or hear about it and you're like it can't be that and then you see the photo and you're like oh my god it's worse than i thought like it is it is it is a chappelle show season two sketch if you go if you go back and watch that interview with Justin Trudeau where he put where he's like here's my party trick and he falls down and he falls on the stairs and he's got he's got the douche mustache and i'm like oh no my brother is prime minister right you know like he falls
Starting point is 02:14:30 down the stairs yeah cuz like Justin Trudeau is from here oh yeah and he's he's one of my boy oh yeah he is absolutely i know ten other Justin Trudeau's i grew up with them yeah yeah yeah you know the jf that i make oh hey fuck off jf our prime minister is jf Montreal yeah it's just jt instead yeah fuck man yeah from the Montreal boroughs fuck that's the best thing ever um that's not evergreen content that is no that is ever brown content oh you got me so bad uh that's that's one in the bank i know i'm not some kind of big figure but as somebody who is a white guy from Montreal who grew up with a lot of Justin Trudeau's everybody else in the rest of the world that ones are bad that's our bad sorry about that one that's uh yeah that's not
Starting point is 02:15:54 great wish i could just like light up a cigar every time a clear title just comes out just be like and there it is yep yep yep it's become a little mini game waiting for the title you know seeing where it's gonna land snow game this week i mean right before that was like a debate where he didn't show up so there's a bunch of funny pictures of like some of the opposition taking pictures with an invisible handshake so that's good and it's just like ha ha see our opponent didn't show up and then like could you imagine the fervor when the news people found that and all they all started coming in their pants and well that no no the fucking opposition like they're down at their office when they caught that
Starting point is 02:16:51 headline oh it'd break out the champagne just straight up everybody straight up shots you know you know what i imagine every single version of that conversation went like it probably went like when i discovered it which is step one shut up yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah fuck you and then you look at it and then you're telling shut up to the photo you're like shut up no way like i want to think that somewhere like someone just looked into jagmeet's office and saw him doing a spinner rooney just going just break dancing that you like fucking you know like no cardboard oh my god all right anyway with the lips and everything singing the song well how do you feel about being a black canadian under this prime minister fucking love it this is the best it's
Starting point is 02:17:53 most involved you've ever been in politics this is the best i am in love with everything about this i can't wait to see how it develops like yeah i'm happy i'm i'm what a what a time to be alive what a what a time what a time you know and of all the moments that you could have picked it was like so this so this is going to be a little old right but this is another example of the onion predicting the future there is an old onion article talking it's about american politics but it applies here and it talks about how because of the ubiquitous of young people's use of social media facebook instagram myspace at the time is mentioned i think no one is electable anymore right so they were either trying to build a robot or i think resurrect zombie reagan
Starting point is 02:18:50 because there is no one yeah and it's like we now live in the world just isn't chudeau is like 44 right or 45 something like that right but he existed in the modern age appropriately in 20 years every political candidate you'll be able to go look at the dumb motherfucking thing they said on facebook when they were drunk yeah and chudeau in particular like it's like he happens because he's young he's spoke he's very outspoken on like a lot of really like progressive progressive issues yeah and then you're like wait a second what were these photos taken all right when you were a university professor like oh he's really into costumes man so the quote is i fucking shit you people not you all know and you know this he's talking to a specific reporter i've always been really
Starting point is 02:19:49 enthusiastic about costumes in the past anyway that's that's the that's the deflect anyway that's a shitty deflect like yeah and this is one of those bits where it's just like it's like hey hey what's your stance on my stance is laughter if you ever want to ask oh man what platform i stand on i believe in laughter that's a good i believe in that gut aching fucking stomach busting howling laughter we live in a fucking farce this is a dumber situation that i could have like made in my dumb analogy what ifs i love it let's get out of here i don't want to talk about this all right it's very upsetting well this is think of how warped this is this is hilarious to you upsetting to me i love it
Starting point is 02:20:54 that's what happened that we have reversed it best timeline the power of blackface has been reversed any better it now makes white people feel bad and black people laugh it's great you took it you guys took it back i'm so happy deep inside i'm so happy it's been fucking ruled blackface is awesome no stop stop it out of context woolly twitter there you go there's one for tomorrow i did it i did it i know you did it for that reason yeah yeah yeah and clip um that's not the podcast title no sir all right anyway what's happening in the news the video game pop culture news thanks for specifying yeah well the bigger story is uh that the apple arcade has launched oh that's everyone everyone i've talked to especially my friend who's obsessed with shantae is
Starting point is 02:22:08 really happy now there's a reason why we're going to talk about this as opposed to not talking about it and that's because the second part of the story well okay apple arcade it's a it's a it's a subscription service video games for ios the new ios came out and basically you sub and uh you're going to be playing what it's basically showing you is like like they kind of advertise that there's like no ads no additional purchases download to play offline or online games on your apple device and they're very they're very clearly trying to say not shitty mobile games real games but they're not actually saying that because they can't but they're but they're so fucking elbowing you with it yeah right real video games guys and then they're showing off stuff like uh some of the titles
Starting point is 02:23:00 that are on it like uh like okay let's show them a pathless and uh uh uh ocean horn is on it uh i know ocean horn like like is a super good game but then like it's got punch planet it's got cyanara wild hearts yeah right it's got um video games uh enter the gungeon right so yeah yeah you got actually you know it's got uh it's called uh escape the gungeon oh excuse me is that a different yeah really yeah you're riding the elevator out of the gungeon huh i didn't know i didn't know and it's all the same characters stuff like that but it's it's like it's like a reverse downwell so this is it's just so it's a sequel yeah okay well anyway exit the gungeon okay and the song is exit the gunja it's great it's fucking great okay so yeah um this is this is a thing like it's
Starting point is 02:23:52 trying to show you not mobile games and yeah a game like punch planet is most certainly not at all um but uh the the what this comes out with uh which is really cool yeah fuck yes i know wild hearts there you are is uh the ios 13 update lets you just grab your ps4 controller or your xbox 1s controller and connect it to your ios device oh see now i'm listening yeah so literally turn the bluetooth on your phone grab your controller and play a real video hold the sync button or press the share in ps buttons and it connects to your phone all right well uh get ready third party manufacturers to make a lot of money on that thing that will attach to the controller and hold your phone in place you know like yeah or your ipad stable yeah whatever but like
Starting point is 02:24:52 suddenly now real yeah because controls the thing they never wanted to do before they finally caved yeah good and they're actively like basically going like yeah fuck you switch a little bit trying to do their thing but it's like okay you could have done this at any time you could have done this 10 years at any time but they finally did it uh yay at that uh you can make real games now and you can play real games on your phone because you can actually use a controller to play them that's good um yeah so suddenly we're going to talk about the apple arcade oh that's weird and games coming out on it oh that's weird because that's a platform now instead of a garbage pile well it's still garbage it's not streaming the games to you yeah you're
Starting point is 02:25:51 downloading them and playing them on the phone did stadia come out and die already or what who said anything about fucking you connect and download the games on your phone and you connect your controller and then you play the video game uh it is a platform yeah um go play go fucking play um punch planet man that thing's awesome and uh i don't know if you got to see it but they just released a cinematic trailer that kind of like i did not i saw that it got released so yeah there's a new intro trailer like cinematic trailers kind of showing off the characters and a bit of what the story is going to be and uh it's exactly what you would expect just gorgeous aesthetic yeah super futuristic city looks like uh your main character roi is like on the run
Starting point is 02:26:47 x cop kind of thing at some point dog just jumps on a table and does what dog does bark you know um i'm very very very excited uh for punch planet and this is awesome uh really cool new intro that they got going uh same actually for uh indivisible which i don't know if you saw but they also put out uh their new uh uh the intro the opening animation done by studio triggers done by trigger exactly it's good guess what it's fucking great yeah shocker um my brain keeps seeing trigger as anime platinum yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay right yeah yeah yeah it just keeps doing that yeah that's a that's a that's a direct comparison that makes sense guns for hire you're not you're not wrong and we fucking crush it yeah and they have a similar
Starting point is 02:27:55 aesthetic and they do action specific type of action too yeah i mean and like wonderful broke yeah always broke well trying trying you know and and and yeah we're like again reaching out and working on on shit that's just like oh yeah we wanted to have their touch on this so they came along and added their very distinct style to it and like indivisible's intro looks gorgeous um so between these and like sonic mania and stuff like yay for just nice animation intros i like animation when it's nice you know what i mean like disney the return of cool intros that clearly cost time and money but it's not yeah but it's a tone center for the whole game it's so appreciated it really is you know i mean i can't tell you how
Starting point is 02:28:55 long uh uh how many years like how long did did people talk about the wild arms intro long time you know what i mean hey well let's take a really direct example about a game we've been talking about today a lot blasphemous the cutscene after you defeat the first boss in blasphemous might be the most expensive thing that was put into that game it's one minute long tops but it is like a defining moment of that game and establishes the character and the tone and the look and everything like that it's very don't that bucket of blood it's very important and it adds a lot when you do it and it just you get hype to fucking start the start the game you're like oh shit yeah yeah yeah we're in we're in we're in you know um so yeah that's what that's what we're
Starting point is 02:29:45 getting out of this uh now i will say that like the hype that you get from watching a cool intro sequence that's like animated well and done like that or whatever that's basically the experience of playing sayonara wild hearts wow quite frankly you're making me hate that game okay well i hate that game now good then that can sit on the pile next to gungrave of things that you can hate by the way i got an explanation for why gungrave story is so weird okay because it was the video game first yeah it was and then they adapted it and all the cool stuff that you love is from the adaptation well the game barely went into the past yeah the game that's what i mean the cool stuff that you love is from the adaptation where they expanded on that yeah and then it goes into but the game is
Starting point is 02:30:37 about zombie man it has to go back to that has go back to the zombie man yeah um anyway that like perfectly explains why that stuff is so bizarre yeah shout outs to episodes two to fourteen um that's why i stopped watching it i watched the first three episodes and i was like cool zombie man shoot the gun and then it was some fucking mafia thing and i'm like when am i gonna get back and you told me episode 15 and then i stopped really yeah you didn't like the mafia thing it's not what i was on the box and that i signed up for i i again make the direct comparison to guts and the flashback to the to the to the past what flashbacks in the past first episode of berserk he's in the future he's got the
Starting point is 02:31:31 the cannon on his arm he's got yeah and i waited decades to get to that and i got frustrated and just started reading the manga okay well i i i get it i and i like the flashback and i'm i'm down so we're not whatever the point just like last time is whatever throw it on the pile um anyway so uh it's one of those hipster games isn't it gun crave is a hipster game no no i'm talking about sign i were a while oh yeah super totally yeah it's a big hipster game like i saw the colors i'm like that's a hipster color hundred percent yeah yeah which is why you might hate it oh no um music skull that that is there a part is there a part where your character is there part where your character
Starting point is 02:32:16 gets uh their trilby and trumpets out this sentiment you're going for is fucking boomer yeah okay yeah that is outdated see now you're using it yeah like you you skipped you could have went for like mumford and that would have been more on point i genuinely i actually don't know what that is well you can use that when you're trying to not hipster enough when you're trying to pick a music genre and and go like fucking hipster yeah just go say mumford from now on what is that it's your replacement for what you meant with what is that it's people dressing like old style no i mean scott because i went to school with some scott people okay they were fucking stupid well do you have a phone with google on it i do you can answer your own questions now can't you no you're a big
Starting point is 02:33:02 i'm doing a podcast you're also if i go okay google what is scott everyone's phones are gonna explode looking at scott right now so no i can't okay you know death grips no i don't know death grips okay um anyway so scott's a lifestyle do you know um you know korea i am aware of the country of korea do you know about the playstation 4 i am aware of the playstation 4 well the korean rating board uh actually it seems like have rated outer wilds for ps4 so that might actually happen i guess despite not being announced because that was an xbox an xbox star game oh it is isn't it yep yeah that's not surprising that game's good more people should play it you kind of want to imagine like you know once these deals are all said and done the ps4 version is waiting
Starting point is 02:34:16 or the other or the other version is just sitting and waiting to go yeah i'd say so yep not outer worlds outer wilds wilds i i did not say outer worlds i said wilds are you sure outer you did wilds you did waited for ps4 in korea um how you feel about farfetched it's a fucking bird with a leak that everyone pretends is a unique pokemon farfetched is cool it's a fucking bird farfetched is cool he's fine i feel no strong emotions about farfetched one way or the other how you feel about surfetched does his smug aura mock you i feel nothing you don't you don't think it's cool that after all
Starting point is 02:35:17 this time farfetched has become i'm incapable of feeling excitement towards pokemon at this point i mean there's evolved also this is not a story about pokemon sword and shield yes it is this is a story about surfetched that is a lie considering surfetched has a literal sword and shield you liar um also i want to point out do you remember when i said watch them make the new anime series include pokemon that you can't catch in fucking sword and shield the new anime series is totally going to be cross regional and will include all pokemon especially the ones you can't catch in sword and shield watch out your boomer showing my boomer your boomer showing am i doing it your use of boomer is pretty boomer right now okay well uh i you're turning this into castle boomer beast
Starting point is 02:36:11 right here i mean you're not going to push that it's already been pushed since like two days ago yeah but it has nowhere to go because it doesn't there's a moat around the castle so everyone pushing it yeah it's just dropping you know who would make a moat you because you're a boomer moats aren't effective in today's modern media landscape media landscape that's right uh-huh uh-huh the moat is a metaphorical mode yeah the mode is a metaphorical mode for the cross media divergent expectation and it is a bottomless moat oh wow that's a good one the things that they did you finish plague tail no because there's a bottomless moat that is bottomless not actually no it's like it's like they drop something like a torch down it and it just disappears from you oh
Starting point is 02:36:57 jeez yeah and that gets filled to the top with rats and everyone is like holy shit how could actually be this many rats it only exists to fill it with rats yes if there is a nonsense infinite void the only purpose of establishing it in this is that the rats are more infinite it's the funniest thing in the whole game like we cracked open Saturn and found out that inside its core is nothing but rats like just there are two rats inside you one has the plague the other has the plague you have the plague you know air i do know air it turns out air is there is rats infinite it's just rats it's just infinite rats that's what air is this whole time it's crazy you have been breathing i don't know how we missed it for your entire life all of existence has been
Starting point is 02:38:10 nothing but rats it's the it's the purest for all right um anyway i i was happy for farfetched to finally get this cool evolution and i prefer a pokemon that is a bottomless pit filled with rats i would not prefer that but no matter what the context no matter what's going on i'm not gonna fucking have a farfetched evolution slide by my desk and and throw that in the garbage oh yeah you were working you were working hard and then the facts came in and a in a surfetched slit across your desk and somebody slapped on the table went well you gotta check this shit out it's really cool and it should have existed in red and blue yeah it should have or golden silver you're totally correct you know when the leak eventually rots and dies yeah surfetched retires forever from battle
Starting point is 02:39:05 and dies no oh no he just retires from oh you go this is after he finds the holy grail yes i assume it's kind of like taking a cubone's helmet off because it's got to become a marrow otherwise what the fuck so time is meaningless yeah also congrats ash you did it good for ash do you remember the part where i said it was a slow news week i do all right so uh our last story is about how is it from that sports station no it's quite simply about how mr driller on core clonowa on core and uh a couple of other uh bamco on core titles uh have been trademarked well that's cool so we're getting stuff following like uh they did like catamari re-roll was kind of like a re-release that they did before so they're gonna be doing
Starting point is 02:40:10 some other stuff with mr driller and clonowa uh splatterhouse on core uh wagyanland on core and genpei tomah den on core uh i don't know those last two but uh i can't say that not enough people know about how badass mr driller is yeah that's cool yeah he's cool not enough people know about horitizo and how he showed up in namco x capcom in that form and i'm really really sad in fact it's criminal who's the the mom she's a character's mom the mom is um yeah uh she's the girl from i forgot the name of the game but she's she's on the bike in the orange jumpsuit yeah she has the gunner bike thing because i think i think like mr driller being the kid of those two characters it's like my favorite thing ever it's fucking so dig dug guy yeah uh i i really it's such a shame
Starting point is 02:41:03 that they never took dig dug and went anywhere with him ever and well i mean he shows up in mr driller yeah no but what i mean is like you wanted the namco x capcom version of dig dug man to come back out into his own game like it's so fucking nuts because it's like you look at like bummerman zero yeah and you go you go wow that can go forever but miss but the fucking dig dug tori hi is uh i'm gonna blow air into these monsters until they fucking in and then he's such a fucking badass and i'm like god damn it how did you not reuse this anywhere else that could have been so much more and they because they didn't want to give the inflation people what they want it oh my god that probably had less than nothing to do with it i you know
Starting point is 02:41:48 you think that wait no i meant to say not zero you meant that probably had more than nothing more than nothing to do with it yes yes that's what i was which is like that's awful because it's like oh obviously that wasn't the reason but i bet a conversation happened one conversation happened it's like you know you accidentally made like a creepy porn thing right what it's dig dug man blows people up they inflate it's like yeah yeah they inflate real big how much inflation can clonowa get and then they pop can you inflate clonowa i can inflate clonowa i would feel nothing inflating clonowa oh yeah you hate clonowa i know i don't care about clonowa i feel nothing towards clonowa therefore his
Starting point is 02:42:41 inflation and subsequent bursting would fill me with nothing they never burst they never burst for the fetish purposes they always just inflated infinitely that's stupid yeah i don't get it yeah i thought i kind of got it no there's no but now i don't get it no there's no popping point it just gets bigger than the planet you people are fucking stupid and then they get bigger than them if it popped i could be there with you i'd be like it's like popping is it or something yeah they they they inflate larger than than reality but they don't pop people are saying you're wrong and some of them do pop no they don't pop that's just a subgenre you haven't personally encountered in your journeys look at me i'm looking at you they don't pop sometimes they pop probably no no they
Starting point is 02:43:29 don't pop guys do they pop sometimes no they don't pop see that people are saying that they totally pop no look at that says they don't pop popping is separate okay see that that it's a different tag that's a different tag um uh i hate this podcast sometimes i talk about things i don't want to talk about someone pushed a microphone in front of your face i know and i just have to talk it's it's like a natural it's like a fucking ambient effect of a microphone is that when it's in front of your face you just talk you wait long enough and then eventually either horrible exposing secrets terrible opinions or um hey you want a terrible opinion i'll give you a terrible opinion you ever be walking around and you're like totally normal and everything's fine and you're
Starting point is 02:44:30 like i need to take a shower just to wash my balls just your balls yeah everything else is clean and yeah fine and you're like i've created a fucking pocket of danger in my balls no now you're using your i'm crazy voice talking about this for something that's totally normal but that's super normal hey woolly you want hey i'm leaning forward if you guys can't tell at home you want to hear the fucking secret my crazy voice is how i talk about everything that is totally normal okay that's when i talk about normal things it's just to you many times they're insane so think about think about this you think because you're like oh that's totally normal pat why are you using your crazy voice no there is there you might be there too there is a tone
Starting point is 02:45:30 that you switched to when you know where you're going yeah and the fact that you think it's totally normal guess what yeah guess what you're with me now as far as ball washing goes yeah you gotta wash them you gotta wash your balls there are definitely time because guess what there's like it's the first place to need a wash everything just drips down into that one spot there's a cool down timer on every part of your body and the balls is the shortest it's really short yeah it's always going unit lost unit lost training yeah unit ready training unit ready like honestly the whole reason you wear underpants is to protect the rest of your clothes from your balls like it's a whole different ecosystem okay it shouldn't be an ecosystem but it what is going on but it means what is
Starting point is 02:46:19 going on the temperature is different ecosystem implies a lot what is going on the rainforest is on fire what we're talking about now you're crazy we're talking about ecosystems no listen the temperature is different it's very different you can tell it all times it has to be biologically different or else you'd be sterile you know how under your arm is different yeah it sucks well it's even more so than that yeah right so it's totally not at all weird it's very very normal to be like oh yeah no i need a shower just for that yeah just for just totally yeah yeah yeah just for that pocket don't like it at the same time you can just you know spray acts on it we can be hygienic and just go wash yeah it's nothing stopping you like literally nothing stopping you from
Starting point is 02:47:16 just going and washing but the timer wait are you like not if you're if you're out of the house then you can okay because i knew a friend that would wash his balls and people sinks it's not what i'm saying okay i thought that's what you were saying it's not what i'm saying i'm saying that if you're out of the house then yes there is a time impediment in your way yeah however you could very shortly and quickly find your way home yeah to deal with the situation deal with it and you're going to because once again that timer is on a very short cooldown it's pretty annoying as far as if in the in the micro that is the or the apms oh my god of your body yeah you know it's a it's annoying that you have to deal with that part five times as often as say your elbow right imagine if your
Starting point is 02:48:08 your uh drones that were like resourcing resource mining yeah you have to manually click on the the the vespine gas yeah and then manually click on the command center so yeah so you know what some people they just get annoyed they're like you know what fuck it i don't need the vespine gas anymore just let it just let it sit well vespine gas is what happens create a new no no no you have to empty the best you gotta empty the gas the gas is there already you need that vespine gas gone so what we're describing is that you lift your balls up and there's like a cough of just you require more the human body is disgusting yet amazing yeah it's kind of cool i guess i guess
Starting point is 02:48:55 there's an old uh what's his name red something he's an old comedian he was on sanfrid and suds sons red fox red fox there's an old red fox special called you've got to watch your balls because you have to he's an old man and he's like you got you just got you have to watch your ball mandatory you know if i'm not mistaken didn't axe put out shut up shut up let me finish a ball washing rag type device specifically for that there is an actual shower accessory that's specifically for that purpose and they put it out there and i want to say that that wash your balls axe commercial yeah and i want your balls with axe and i want to say that that tool put out by that company oh my god i'm looking at it is a statement to tell you what not to do
Starting point is 02:50:05 don't spray i think acts on your boy when the company that makes body spray says here's a thing to wash your balls don't use the spray it's not telling you but it is implying what you shouldn't be doing yeah and guess what that like body spray is like probably got some alcohol content in there and anything with alcohol content that comes into contact you know what happens you got that's thin membrane you want to hear a funny story and it's the simplest funny story and it's happened to everybody i like to clean my hands occasionally maybe once a day use hand sanitizer of course hand sanitizer will do it so i put hand sanitizer on my hands and went of course not knowing yes wait that i had a cut on my hand yeah and then just what like just oh my god i rubbed it right in
Starting point is 02:51:03 ow now imagine that was your nuts i remember when the kid in high school rubbed gay on his nuts shut up that you know that didn't happen for real totally happened don't put icy hot on your balls it happened to phil phil's a dumb motherfucker i remember i specifically remember and you said phil don't do it well no i wasn't there for it okay you i heard the story when it after but if you had been there would you okay yeah woolly this is a really important part of a person's personality okay this people will judge you based on this question if you had been there would you have been like nah phil don't do it or would you have been like do it you pussy do it do it phil fuck yeah you're the best you can do it
Starting point is 02:51:55 now a lot of that depends on what kind of person phil is right and knowing him he's the type of person that was way into it anyway so you're like yeah fuck yeah you should do it there's no stopping him at this point so what are you gonna do you're gonna be a downer what am i what am i gonna fucking stand in the way stand in the way of the fuck yeah get in get in or get out you need you missed a spot on that brown face over there you want me to you need some help on that let me get you would totally you would absolutely be the guy let me help you get the back of your neck you would absolutely be that motherfucker who's like yeah you know what jim i think it's a really good idea for you to go to the party like this here let me help you dude it fucking crushes the
Starting point is 02:52:45 costume it's so accurate oh my god you are such an asshole it's so accurate you are you are killing it on the cosplay right now oh my god you're totally that guy it's a hundred percent it is crazy you are fucking crushing it everyone's gonna be super impressed here let me help you i'll go i'll go i'll go buy the wait before you get there let's put some of this on instagram yeah hey it's a really good idea crop crop me out of the photo i don't want to steal your thunder right but you're like out just out of the frame doing like this like big thumbs up like yeah and then when he's like i don't know what you guys will he told me was a good idea i don't know what are you talking about who are you i have we have we met sir i don't know what you're talking about it's like
Starting point is 02:53:32 woolly you have your fingers look like you like you you you literally have like what are you trying to say well my fingers can't be dark you have a problem with my hands being dark woolly you you have a a fucking painting kit with the same paint used in the costume there's a paintbrush hanging out of your back pocket and it's and it's dripping um and you're wearing a shirt that says brown face is awesome with a picture of you really with that with huge thumbs ups on the bat well i don't know what you're talking about what are you what are you what are you describing i'm just hey i was helping my friend get ready for it's how we got oh my god we got one coming in to the email hey that's the castle super beast mail at gmail.com i'm not saying it a second time
Starting point is 02:54:24 this one's coming uh from seal rays says dear castles super ultra great delicious wonderful beast something psych here long time okay listen folks i'm gonna say this once i say this once only no you're not you're gonna say it many times i'm never gonna say it again all right i'm gonna hold i haven't i've never said it before okay so i'm gonna say it once all right i'm not gonna say it again okay if you happen to miss this episode that's unfortunate you won't be you won't be catching this that's right uh when i open up an email yeah i read the name at the bottom to us to to say the name that i expect you want to be referred to as yeah people's email titles will often say another name if none is provided i'll go with that okay but if you don't put it
Starting point is 02:55:12 don't sign it then i'm not gonna know somewhere halfway through yeah what name you want me to call you all right that makes it so just letting you know all right and that's going forever okay hello castle super ultra delicious wonderful beast psych here long time listener first time they got their message read played ff 14 for three plus years and i only play as healer and sometimes tank okay never got myself to level a dps then i listen to the podcast where uh you were raving about the damage feedback in ff 7 remake and i realized i also got the same mind goblins ff 14 dps classes have so many cool moves but nothing cool happens when you hit when you do the big cool they totally yeah uh how do you think they they're supposed to handle
Starting point is 02:55:56 damage feedback in memorpigas uh in turn based rpgs like p5 you get cool cinematics for your cool moves in xeno blade uh combat is similar to ff 14 there's dynamic camera movements big pop outs numbers hype combat announcers etc but again these are all hard to implement in online games where other players are also doing the same fight as you so how so the answer that ff 14 does is dependent on the person and for some people it works just fine for other people it doesn't do a god damn thing and i think those two types of people are sitting here in this podcast right now perp because when you play samara when you play dancer currently in final for anc 14 dancer has the single biggest strike in the game like single singular button that you can hit and the
Starting point is 02:56:46 biggest number happens right there are people reporting that they can get that fucking number up to a double crit of like 120k which is fucking stupid that's a big number and when you do that the number literally explodes off the enemy with a bunch of exclamation points at the end of it and you go wow that was a big crit unless seeing that number means nothing and if seeing that number means nothing then that whole fucking thing means nothing so that number is supposed to replace feedback and excitement yes i see and to a certain subset of people that's better because the numbers because the number is because people who enjoy min maxing and optimizing and making the number go up so for example take the tank classes right there are say i play dark knight dark knight
Starting point is 02:57:47 never gets a big number ever because of the way that they they get many smaller numbers but when they their final ability is they bring out a stand and the stand hits at the same rate as you do for 21 seconds and what you don't get is one big number what you do get is the same big number you would always get happening like so fast that the number can't keep up on the screen because you're you and your stand are just right and so all of it goes down to how cool is the animation on your character and how dynamic can you make the big number look big big big number when storm blood came out before that there was only crits and what would happen is you would crit and it would be slightly larger in text and you get an exclamation point and you go whoa i critted
Starting point is 02:58:41 when storm blood came out they added something called direct hit which is a miniature crit and what happens with a direct hit is the numbers a little bigger and with crit the numbers bigger but not not it's bigger than the direct hit but slightly bigger and has one exclamation point but if you direct hit crit you get a number that's twice as big as a crit and you get three exclamation points and the game's like whoa right now if everything i'm saying means nothing that's because it doesn't affect you now here now obviously the funny thing to do here would take the polar opposite position and just completely go run away from this conversation but yeah um i'm not gonna sit here and pretend that like it means absolutely nothing because you know like i've
Starting point is 02:59:28 played games where it's just like oh yeah that's a big damage that's cool yeah right and i'm like yeah that's cool like fucking most recent example is that that uh fucking the the new Kirby game yeah there's a new Kirby game where you're doing uh four player battles against bosses and like and if you're using the big hammer guy and you're doing the full charged hammer and you swing it bam you get a bigger number than everyone else well in that moment because it's the big damage hit number that's the trade off for you being slow all the time yeah right so yeah like sure the the the easiest way to describe a game in which both of these take place is monster hunter world because in the old monster hunter games no number and it was infuriating oh that's off yeah that's it was actually really
Starting point is 03:00:07 really difficult to figure out if things hurt or not i add a new one they do add numbers okay so i would i imagine that let me guess here if monsters showed a life bar the game would be too easy the monsters do show a life bar but it's not a regular bar if you didn't notice when you lock onto a monster monster hunter world you know they have a little ekg meter at the bottom you know it's been way too long well there is a little ekg meter on their monster symbol when it's normal they're at full health when it's almost a flat line that means they're almost dead when there's it's flat line and they have a skull that means they're about a couple hits from dying and they can be captured and when it spikes with red that means they're preserved okay but that was new in world and
Starting point is 03:00:52 it's not it's still not really a life bar but it's pretty close okay so numbers are uh helpful and it's nice and they're important and they tell you a lot um i can tell you for a fact that like in any given fighting game that helps me choose what's optimal sure right so um so you didn't play much greatsword in monster hunter world but uh i i i did actually oh you did okay so they they have big fucking hits obviously right so the biggest hit because it does double damage is on the sleeping monster right and when that happens two things happen one if you really rock the fuck out of it maybe you'll break and that monster will like get up and fly and fall over oh yeah so there's your animation right but once you do that a couple times most greatsword players stop looking at that
Starting point is 03:01:39 all they look at is the number and then all they see is on basil goose with this and this and this you can get that number to like 14 20 holy shit so the hardcore the more i'm but here's what you're describing the more hard curd you go into any any game the less you see the styles and the more you just choices the underneath mechanism exactly so i see the code at a certain point people that are like sory and dash playing uh god hand or you know or anything anything anything he doesn't even see the graphics anymore man he doesn't realize the like like the style is almost you know he just sees the code he's crushing it that hard he's holding his hand up in the world's matrix yeah so duh there's a part of that and and and it happens in every genre where you get divorced from the
Starting point is 03:02:27 assets as you get more and more into this side of things but it doesn't change the fact that i i always love that style totally want it to be there but because of the the nature of how like packets and shit have to get sent in an mmo instead what they do is they skip to the end and then focusing on making that part that you would get to anyway i have no answer for this question because my answer is to basically not be as interested in games where i don't have that thing it's actually and it's not a it's not the deciding factor but when we're talking about it it's one element amongst many that i'm like yeah that bothers me when i don't see it so it's really funny because in 14 uh depending on the role not the class the role yeah there are three versions
Starting point is 03:03:09 of that we describe the dps one which is the big number or many big numbers in a row healers don't get that because they're fucking healers right tanks don't get that because they don't do enough damage sorry we're talking a lot about like numbers i guess in as like the nature of like the damage feedback sure but like that information is also like the main thing here is about just the feeling yes i'm talking about feedback right now in an mmo that feedback is given to you numerically flat it's always given to you numerically it's not given to you through animation but um in in uh really pretty uh korean one with the great um black desert yeah in black desert yeah enemies do get juggled and hit they totally do respond to your input that's the that's the
Starting point is 03:04:05 action game mmo right so what i'm saying is that like you're describing a way things are yeah but it also doesn't have to be though but i'm i'm talking like your classic yeah yeah in what in what is right and i think the nature of this question is more about like what could be well what that's why we know what is that's why i'm described that's why i wanted to go into the other two because they're there there are even within the number or the classic there are different like styles of this so for example the dps wants to see the big number with all their exclamation points right the healer what they ideally want to see is that party list not fucking move in terms of their bars right they're not looking for giant heal crits they're looking for that that party list to stay a
Starting point is 03:04:53 fucking straight line with all the bars filled and stay static and unmoving and perfect right your tank fantasy by that measure is going to be the reverse of the uh damage one in which instead of hoping for the big damage for the exclamation parts you want to see a damage number on some invent like incredibly killing thing you want to see a zero you want to see a goose egg you want to be unfazed like there's your your feedback but it's this is what exists yeah could we do with that style of game no yeah is there a way to implement a different type of game yes but then we're not having the same conversation right or your instance has you fighting a bunch of individual enemies that respond to you yeah as opposed to instead of a one big enemy with the group and
Starting point is 03:05:49 like guild wars did something like that where in guild wars um enemies would take like discrete swings and you would have a dodge button that would make you invincible right and that was kind of splitting the difference um but no you you're either making an mmo with mmo style combat or you're making an action game that has a big world and lots of people in it yeah and those are very different conversations to have and if we start to judge say a classical mmo based on an action game standards then we start to sound like elie no it drives everyone in my discord crazy at the end of the day what exists is satisfying for the audience that it exists for yeah so that's totally okay but as this email is asking and that's a really nice refreshing way of looking
Starting point is 03:06:35 at something other than complaining that it should be different every day be it blood born or fighting games i think it's a bit reasonable i think it is reasonable um anyway but when i if i if a game ever came along that managed to figure out how to do both i would be very excited about i would be very excited as well i'd be interested in fact i don't think there's anyone who likes numbers that would hate to see that feedback there can be an issue with readability what about also monster hunter happens to have both and the the impact also leads to placement yeah well that's that's a whole different thing yeah so the the the boss is not in the boss hole sitting on the sitting on the peg that the boss
Starting point is 03:07:30 is attached to like like let's take 14 and wow was the two top right their encounter design is very different um the wow classic is showing off weird shit with the way wow encounters are designed in that like you remember a while ago as like ff 14 it has eight person raids and wow has 40 and i'm like i don't know how you would ever get the 40 people to to fucking figure out what the hell they're doing right and coordinate it and then somebody explained me like dude in wow raids people are beating like onyxia and shit like that with like half the gang under the level cap because priests are literally just showing up and your job is to cast this one buff for the whole fight like it it like that's what you're doing whereas in something like 14 it is this fucking
Starting point is 03:08:17 complicated dance of priority and all this shit yeah no it's i know that i i have definitely come to understand that it's a necessary um not evil but limitation yeah you know um somebody somebody in the chat just nailed it they said wow classic is bringing the class not the player i don't care who you are we need another mage we need another shaman we need another druid which in my opinion sucks ass that's a bummer yeah because i mean hey woolly we're making a three man to go down a suit sbo you play darly fuck off yeah we're only taking ukyos in here right right like that sucks that's a butt ff 11 was like that too there are there are periods in which if your class was kind of bad
Starting point is 03:09:08 you can't play because people just won't play with you so that that's the thing is that yeah that doesn't sound very fun uh at the same time uh like we laugh at the concept of the term hanzo main we do and then there's a place somewhere in between out there where it's like you know you played marvel 2 yeah who you're using not this list of four characters get out get out of my tournament i mean there's low tier marvel 2 tournaments that are awesome uh but um anyway they just ban the top six uh or eight for no matter uh but yeah it is uh it's just it's it's the nature of the genre you know and yes this big team collective thing where it's not about the player you're right that's that's a really good way to put it i have one thing for you that would
Starting point is 03:09:58 make a little bit more sense in terms of like because there's a long discussion that can be had for this thing and this game is legitimately weird and seems bad why is it like that oftentimes the answer is because it sucks sometimes the answer is actually this is there to stop a worse problem right so you describe like large uh monster feedback and like monster hunter the enemy like moves around us so you hit it one of the most infuriating things in the current uh version of 14 it has been for a long time is a bad tank will move the target ideally you want to turn the target into a training dummy so that everyone can do their rotations just dump because melee attackers have differing stuff depending on whether or not you hit from the back or the side
Starting point is 03:10:50 so if you tilt that motherfucker 10 degrees they might miss they might miss and all of a sudden their ability didn't proc and all of a sudden you know whatever i'm gonna i just remembered i just remembered something and i'm gonna like like yeah move on from this note afterwards but uh when i first learned about mmo's yeah ages ago whenever the fuck i don't i don't know but i remember what i thought they were yeah i know exactly what you're talking about i have the same feeling and what they are now is not absolutely not that nothing close to it's become its own thing and it's figured out a way to do it and make it addictive and and like make it fun and have people you know but what i thought they were i thought they were going to be dragon's dogma with a thousand
Starting point is 03:11:42 people i thought we were going to be looking at any film that shoots a war scene where a battlefield is fighting a battlefield and two sides are going at it there are a couple that are like that dark ages of camelot would have actually fit that and after you take out the thing in front of you you turn in the middle of bodies and chaos and find the next target that's what my brain thought so these games in terms of early mmo dark age of camelot which was a contemporary to the original everquest is absolutely that that is totally what that game was about okay so you were not actually that far off it's just pvp mmo's are not really very popular because the concessions you have to make to the combat are significant whereas in a classic rpg you're fighting against the ai
Starting point is 03:12:42 therefore you can scale that yeah you do whatever you want and just make the computer deal with it and fight back yeah um i would love love love to see you touch any mmo for a length of time not because of the genre actually agnostic to the genre because i would like to be able to talk to you about a specific human-based emotion with dealing with people which is one something i've been hearing on discord for weeks now as people are running classic wow don't run over there don't run over there oh fuck fuck fuck that stupid hunter didn't unsummon his pet agro the whole fucking dungeon we're all dead there goes 20 minutes just just because fighting games are individualistic and you don't have to worry about jaykins what's that leroi dude leroi jankins while fake but that's
Starting point is 03:13:35 what you're describing yes is a real situation every day of the mmo experience yeah i i i i i i know what that is no but have you felt it there's a difference i'm not interested in feeling you should feel it it's bad it feels bad it's a bad feeling i'd rather play fuck with a small team why is this tank so bad that i know and chat on discord and then just have fun fuck and yeah pvp uh battlefields or even a not it doesn't have to be pvp you get toxic you can do a pve battlefield yeah totally and still capture that totally yeah and have everyone that you're fighting one-on-one be really like immersive yeah and then capture and still get what i thought they were so that'd be cool too if a raid boss was not a boss but an army yeah there's a the in the final
Starting point is 03:14:32 dungeon of shadow bringers there's a the second boss is a massive amount of enemies yeah so you take your 40 and you go fight that hundred and then you know do your thing but what about when they're not healing you and you die because they just didn't heal you and you're like why did you not heal me and they're like sorry i was i was lighting up and you're like fuck i mean could the game not indicate via mercy type vision who needs healing oh no they know they were just too busy smoking weed oh yeah whatever and you're like put in a situation where you know and you feel the toxic rising in the back of your throat but that sounds like i get super toxic like like like acid reflux yeah getting toxic is mental acid reflux
Starting point is 03:15:17 it's the bile rising at the back of your throat you want to spit on people and be toxic and then you're like no don't be toxic you can't be toxic uh bane says hey there lords of the beast is not gonna sugarcoat it i don't care about blaze blue or even fighting games yeah but my bullet folder goes stronger with each passing day bullet character from blaze blue cool she's got cool like punch stuff okay uh so my question is what are some of your favorite characters and designs and ip's you don't give a shit about i like yasuke i keep saying yasuke when i mean to say yasuo yeah you're not it's bad that you do that i like daidouji daidouji's daidouji daidouji's number one it's it's it's a batcho check from
Starting point is 03:16:14 nothing nothing comes to mind really in Kagura yep because usually when i really dislike a series that that taint hits everything on it and i have trouble seeing it clearly no i pick up i pick out a solid character oh yeah but i'm saying me i get i get my vision gets tainted with the spite see because i will love i i had this discussion with reggie uh not too long ago but like the reason why like oh your character sucks switch to play another character doesn't work for me a lot of the time like it's not gonna say never because it like i literally was interested in koto and um gearus and i switched to gearus but a lot of the time depending on how much i like the character that i'm attached to
Starting point is 03:17:01 i like the character more than the game itself yeah right uh and there was a really interesting talk that like um you know like because like there was a bunch of quotes like recently daigo came out and said something to the effect of like people don't get uh board of the game they get bored of not improving at the game and it was like uh yeah no maybe that's real you know um and in some cases they'll be like yeah well improvement here would mean like how much do you want to win well you know pick a top tier and so on like we talked about all that but yeah when i think about like how much i love uh bike and compared to guilty gear steve fox compared to tech and darly compared to sam show uh i think about how there can be other franchises of games where
Starting point is 03:17:44 i'm like i don't give a fuck about that game entirely but boy that's an awesome character design oh you know what about it i thought of one though it's not a character i couldn't have any less interest in busting out a tabletop painting some figures and throwing down some warhammer 40 but literally every design i have ever seen out of that is the coolest thing i've ever seen yeah it's just metal album philosophy yeah yeah no 100 that's that's that's clear i don't want to play warhammer i want to look at warhammer yeah yeah uh warhammer is cool zaria is a good answer but i also like play as she i should enjoy it yeah yeah zaria is cool yeah uh and last let's take one here uh from
Starting point is 03:18:48 lucas hey lucas what up man hey nerds that i listened to all being productive it's been a while since i wrote into the podcast like 2013 recently got the chance to play uh vf5 for the first time it's my first vf that i ever touched sawed at a pawn shop bought it for three usd anyway now that i'm super sure that it's not coming back ever and i can feel uh your pain now i played doa and i can instantly feel that mila has over 70 of venez's move set um it's been more streamlined mila doesn't have two stances but they have the same tackles and feints and almost the same kickboxing animations they're both my main in each game and respectively uh i love both games now my question is have you ever played a game that made you retroactively sad for the state of a
Starting point is 03:19:31 franchise greetings from columbia all the best anybody who played and loves shin move should feel bad when they play the yakuza games hmm is there anything where it's like you played it and was it was already dead in the water when you touched it i remember playing psyops the mind gate conspiracy and i remember playing freedom fighters on the ps2 and like i'm playing them and i'm like these are great these are dead these are super no never going anywhere i mean tend to stuff that was recorded is like going back to dig up some shit you know so that doesn't really count in my brain yeah we're in somewhat of a unique situation on this one we were going back to dead shit yeah so that doesn't necessarily apply but out of my own interests rocket night
Starting point is 03:20:20 i love rocket night and then we saw that trailer for the new rocket night but that that's no no this is playing a new thing yeah and then going oh man this franchise is dead um liking the new thing hmm i don't know i don't know that i'd never touched before yeah i don't know we keep up with too much shit for this to happen all that commonly i mean i guess like i did appreciate fft when i played tactics advance man i play tactics advance and i was like oh yeah i i this is cool i get it oh it's a bummer yeah that's probably the one for me that's a bummer since i didn't actually go more likely to get an advanced sequel than fucking t i mean you did we did i looked at you with a glare and then i was like no wait that's not i didn't make it but fft a2 exists
Starting point is 03:21:22 sorry brah luso is the most jackass looking main character in jrpc ever yeah in the history in the history is unbelievable it's fucking crazy yeah no i'm squinting at my wall right now and looking for death looking at looking up and down for death here um nothing's standing out to me so you know oh front mission yeah front mission i got into front mission three after it had died after it died and i really really liked that you can you can uh you can play front mission three which is fantastic and then you can go through the most hoops i've ever seen for fan translation to play front mission five the story of which will not make any sense to you because it is a direct sequel to one two and four correct me if i'm wrong but then the last two times you bring this up
Starting point is 03:22:16 someone reach out and say that this problem was solved no okay i followed that translation project for years only to finally get the thing in my hands and they're referring to events from one and two that i have no idea what the fuck they're talking about and the the story is a mess if you don't titan fall doesn't count i liked titan fall one and two that's not the answer and you killed it what the fuck is following us over here uh all right i'm about done yeah i'm starving i'm done i'm gonna get out of here yep woolly where can people check you out woolly versus on twitch woolly versus on youtube woolly wooll's on twitter you guys can check me out at angriest
Starting point is 03:23:02 pat on twitch and the twitter let me stream it search tonight whoa search two that is not the sequel it's out tomorrow whoa yeah that's that's podcast all right yep we're done all right you all have a good night bye we didn't know that it was the end that the sad story ever told me don't you know how it goes
Starting point is 03:24:22 broken glass you because i'm just second to you again and again face drawn in my chest strobing lights reflected in my tears crystal clear i can hear a song tired voices in my mind are key
Starting point is 03:25:46 on repeat don't you know how it goes you leave me sad and scorned broken glass broken glass she says what we are i have tried to forget all the pain i regret it's the last time
Starting point is 03:26:11 it's the last time tonight i feel always so close in your arms i just know it's the last time and i'm strangely alright it's not that i don't care but i just cannot bear one more of those calls
Starting point is 03:26:38 where i talk and you say nothing at all i have tried to forget all the pain i regret it's the last time it's the last time tonight i feel always so close in your arms i just know it's the last time
Starting point is 03:27:03 and i'm strangely alright cause it's time to forget all the pain i regret it's not that i don't care it's the last time tonight i feel always so close in your arms i just know it's the last time
Starting point is 03:27:26 and i'm strangely alright i need to understand cause i'm too saucy to begin again begin again begin again begin again begin again

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