Castle Super Beast - CSB 040: Mental Pop-Filter At Risk

Episode Date: October 24, 2019

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Run Ganond atau shallst run run run run Hello, hello everyone You can ask them how they're doing I was about to but they can't answer you I hope you're all doing well

That's great. There you go rhetorical. Yes. Keep it. Keep it rhetorical This is rhetoric. Yes Or is it rhetoric? It's rhetoric. Okay. Well, it's one of those stupid fucking words that when you add the bullshit at the end It decides to change how it looks or is that sounds sounds, but is that not just like us? Doing that to the language over time. Is it not like a root word? No, it's the words fault blame the word because like If you have a root word and then you add things to it. Yeah, then at some point it morphs

But isn't that just like yeah, because people don't want to say red a reticle red radical red a retort The shit red a reticle red a reticle red a reticle. Yeah Nobody wants to say that because of what just happened to my face. Exactly. So that's that's just dumb, but If you have a Pidgey, uh-huh, and then you have a Pidgeotto and then at some point down the line You get a pejot. Yeah, well, that's I mean Pajot would be pretty stupid, but it's the but but the same Pokemon are stupid You're not hyped for Charizard 4

I'm so Charizard 4 implies there wasn't already three or four different Charizard 4's No, you know, this is there's Charizard 4. What is it now? Because I mean talking about armored Charizard. We're talking about the new one. They just announced Charizard 4 The sequel to Charizard 3 There's already been like three or four sequels to Charizard 3. Well, no, there's Charizard Yeah, then there was the the sequel to Charizard. Yeah, our X Charizard and then there was the the the dark Charizard and why Charizard and

That and now you've got Charizard 4. Pokemon sucks so stupid bad stupid bad At some point you hit the number where you just have to start saying Charizard Balboa or Charizard origins, I hate it Charizard Resurrection. I hate it because I really don't care The number gets to I really don't care for Charizard 5 really didn't think was cool How Charizard fought Ash in the street near the end. Can we I thought that was a really lame way to end the match

Do we just jump to Charizard 64? You know, how do we what he at some point the numbers you can't use the numbers anymore You got to start just using the names. Well, I think there's I think there's one underlying current of this conversation You and I are ignoring and I know that even though you disagree with me at the end of this You will agree with me at the beginning and that is Charizard sucks ass of the three main starters Yours is your favorite is Blastoise, right? That's correct Mine is Venusaur, but we can both agree Charizard sucks shit. It's a dragon. Yep. It's not a weird plant

Beast, it's not a fucking giant tortoise with guns in its back It's a dragon. It is easily the most boring Stupidest Pokemon and every time somebody goes all man my favorite Pokemon is Charizard All I can think of is this person is a fool But here's the problem How are you gonna sell kids? If not with a dragon immediately if Charizard was a dragonite from the get-go dragonites fucking so bad But if Charizard if like was actually like if you if you're Charmander

Evolved into a dragonite Who the fuck is buying that on day one versus the turtle with the cannons coming out of its back? Well, like I remember seeing red and blue and seeing those two next to each other and Venusaur was never on a packaging because God's not fair But just being like who the fuck's gonna buy red Look at this loser dragon See compared to this mmm, but you know, you're not you're but you're you're thinking too different Right in the sense that like

Dragon equals cool there for self, but it's it's a look at the weapon that Monster Hunter just pushed through Yeah, look at what Japan yeah, I know I get that right it's like it's just it's it's safe cool fantasy It's a series of cool weird like weird-looking animals. Yeah, this is the one that is the simplest of all Even Pikachu. I mean it has fire on its tail like that's different. Is it? Yeah, those dragons don't have fire on their tail. I guess so there's that I feel like that detail of its design Isn't even visible on the box like it just I it's it's way it 100% think that you could have gone like more creative with that and guess what they did afterwards There's a bunch of weird dragon types later. Not even dragon types fire types. That's anything blaze the kids cars

Fucking red car and blaze the kid are cool. Yeah, there's a but it's in the quill was cool And yeah, pretty much all great, you know Except yeah first one, but that thing was what it was, you know, but it was but at the same time It's like it's the first dragon therefore it's going to be the first dragon's fire Okay, when you show off a digimon and you guess what right guess what the fuck you get you get a blob You get a little moe blob. No, you get Agumon. Who is it use a little dinosaur? Yeah, and then he became like a gun but but at first weird you got to show the kids the thing where they're like Yo, but the cool though kids are stupid. Yeah

Children's entertainment should be made for us adults. I agree, but the purchasing power in the hands of the parents and Is is like, you know It's contingent on how much the kid cries for the thing and the kids gonna cry for the coolest thing because it's the fire dragon I never I never cried for the thing once. I Thought that was a terrible way to get what you wanted. All I'm trying to say is after Charizard 4 Eventually at some point we get to The Charizard That's the end. That's the end of the timeline

We hit that we hit that last sequel and it's all and then we reboot the whole thing You know, I'm not a big Pokemon mark like a lot of folks. In fact, I'm quite not but I Like every time they show off the new fucking gimmick that's like it's a giant Pokemon this or it's an armored Pokemon that Like the fact that Charizard is always always gets one and they're like 680 that have never gotten any of them just seems unfair Yeah, it seems fucked. Well, you are now the entirety of Our slash Pokemon this week. Oh Because everybody is what you just said everyone's like there's now like posts of like 15 different Charizard types

Here's spirit Charizard. Here's dark Charizard. Here's fairy, you know, and like there and everyone's just going off on the fact that like someone even made a little stat breakdown of how like How much precedent the gen one stuff gets over every other generation and how it's super duper like tilted and unfair and Someone who is a gen one or same we're seeing that the breakdown is like fuck. That is true Like it is pretty unfair. It's not even but all of gen one too It's like it's heavily stacked towards the three starters And it's even more heavily stacked towards Charizard because people are only going to care about the thing that Started the thing and as time goes on there's gonna be people who started on the other things, right?

Yeah, but at the end of the day, guess what guess what Disney is about Mickey Mouse Donald Duck goofy Those characters are gonna be the ones that they're gonna push at the Disneyland and all the things and all the product What not and like, you know, one's talking about spirit or You know what I mean? Yeah, like stuff comes along the whole the whole point of Pokemon was the wide variety of Catchable characters. Yes. No, totally. That's like it's the opposite of totally and the and the the unweighted like Or rather the weighted like distribution that is like guess what we know that people our age Like our age care about like the gen one stuff And if we want you to spend then we got to show you things you want which is a fat-ass Pikachu and

That Pikachu and and like Sir fetched You know what I mean? They get it. They understand. I don't know man. It's just like I'm so fucked sick Charizard, man Here's what's up, though. Can we get real for a second? Let's get real about Pokemon children's toys first Pokemon will never have Quality again a Bancho Leomond. That's true. So what's the point? Yeah, I'm Gotta ask a friend of mine big Pokemon nerd like what was the turning point where Pokemon went from being exciting To being good to being shit

Okay, I feel like Pokemon has not been legitimately exciting in like 35 years, yeah, but how qualified are we just to get it? That's why I said I gotta ask a friend of mine Yeah, cuz let's face it. How's like how in there are you? I've heard so many different things like all men X Fucking not X and Y black and white like crazy because black and white didn't let you get any old Pokemon until you got the Ones and black and white. It was new and was about Pokemon humane treatment and all sorts shit Popular consensus seems to be gen six is what it all well. I don't you need to use game titles nerds I don't know what you're saying with your gents the the the part where we didn't Keep up with each generation means that like you didn't keep up with the minute changes. You didn't see

Where the series went and the highs and the lows in a way, okay? Everyone's saying X and Y is when it went downhill, but that was also the relaunch onto a new platform Yeah, but that's that that we picked up see that see that's the thing, right? That's when they were not able to make shitty-looking mobile games anymore They had to make slightly better shitty-looking mobile games You know the complaint we have though first and it's funny because like the new games actually have this attempt to Tip their dip their toe in the water as usual where there's a 3d wild planes mode where you run around and you can encounter You know, it's it's yeah, and it's

But like it's the same complaint we've had for a long time with like I just remember like early Nintendo stuff for Like the whole like kitty games argument would happen. Yeah, and I'd be like no, it's fine. Shut up. I like these games Yeah, they're good But then there would also be the like like the hope deep inside there like man I wish they made more serious games though. Yeah, I wish sometimes they'd be more serious I remember having friends that oh Which is why and all they all lost their minds when re4 got confirmed for the console, which is why it went James small politely sent me that list of like the one of the greatest top 10s ever on game facts

Which is the top 10 most serious games? I fucking lost it because I was like, oh, I know exactly where this kid is at You know, this is a kid who wants who's like he's playing games that he shouldn't be Playing based on the Peggy rating on them. Yeah, you know and like or the ESRB rating rather and like You just you you like your Nintendo You've always liked your Nintendo But you just wish that you'd have something to Talk about when all your friends are going off about the the super scary

Resident Evil games on the PlayStation or the PS1 and 60 crazy Metal Gear solids was so fucking waited in terms of age like Ever like 64 had incredible games like it had fucking those 60 Mario and Zelda all that shit, but like Oh, you're talking about Final Fantasy. What's going on from fancy? You're talking about Metal Gear What's going on in Metal Gear like the the Grand Theft Auto dude the tone Grand Theft Auto? Yeah, but I'm just talking PS1. Yeah, cuz that's when the the gap was the biggest and the weirdest

You had fear effect and shit like that all these horror games fucking hard murder all over them and it's like Playing Blastcore. Yeah, yeah, the Nintendo. Yeah, the Nintendo was still the Nintendo. Yeah, and Those games were so good and they still represent the backbone of what I like about video. Oh, absolutely But I just wish that I had something else because all my friends were talking and I just dig Can I dig my teeth into something's a little meteor in terms of tone? You know so and then eventually when re2 gets ported you're like, oh look Oh, wow, it's a shitty version of re2 cartridges can handle what so you don't need no that and then you load it in You're like, no, they can't

No, they can alpha 2 for the Super Nintendo, baby. We did it We did it we won. I should mention though I'd say that it's a bad version that version is a technical marvel. Of course It's just that the cutscenes Look so bad because of course they do There's like they're using like 32 megabytes for like all of the games cutscenes and it's just like oh And it's the only reason why anyone gave a half a fucking fart Towards the general direction of Shadow Man

Was because it was like look at this mature ass game coming. Yeah, a lot of those games were terrible Of course they were 64, but they were mature and it was like oh fuck And then when we saw Toon Link for the first time and everyone like Blew their fucking wad because no opposite of that everyone got super upset. Everyone sucked in their wads rather Because warp it back in you know like one that's not what they wanted after the the the last couple of like more Like in between games where you get like you get your your you know your ocarina of time Which goes both ways. Yeah, and then you get your Majora's mask which leans towards Dark part. It's still too. It's still kid link. Yeah, but it still gets creepy and

And all that shit and whatever and then you get your win-waker announcement and everyone goes what the fuck because at two in 2001 They showed off the space world demo. Yeah, and the space world demo was serious everyone for serious link fighting serious I'd like to go back in time for a second because we're we're really far removed from win-waker's announcement now That was what 15 20 years ago now mm-hmm and People look at the win-waker HD or they look at old win-waker stuff and they go people didn't like this art style That's fucking crazy But you have to remember it's part of the context that you and I are talking about the Nintendo

Platform for like eight years had gotten almost nothing in terms of sure That were aimed at any in tone that were aimed at anything higher than like a 12 year old Yeah, they're already teen at highest at at at highest and m games were far and few in between and PlayStation had had a near Monopoly on games for adults or older kids such as every survival horror game ever made Most RPGs at the time action games stuff like Metal Gear Metal Gear was like I Remember playing that when it came out and I was very confused I had to do a lot of research to understand what the fuck they were talking about because I don't know what nuclear proliferation is

ten-year-old pat Right and then you over and over and over and over and over and especially for n64 and Gamecube kids or whatever Their friends are all yeah, I got and then it's like oh, but Zelda that space world. Oh, man It's gonna be super cool and serious. Listen the number one thing kids want to do is pretend to be adults That is that is that's and now that we're adults. I desperately just want to pretend to be a baby all day. Yeah, so When you do when you get this space world demo that shows off Like adult Link fighting Ganon is so cool and it's so cool and their swords are clashing and they're doing all the stuff Yeah, and then the next thing you see is hey Arnold with a with a with a fucking

That's totally with a green tunic on you completely nailed it. And you go This is not and then link goes And then everybody at school that is like not a Nintendo kid comes and laughs at you I because like your identity is tied to that so anything that the company does is like your it's you get made fun of for it You know and like yeah, so you get to link and everyone's like look at this stupid baby shit You know babies and he swings he does the big jump over the thing and he swings and he lands He does a little pose. Yeah, this is the new link and people are like fuck off with that Never before has the phrase this Mickey Mouse bullshit been more appropriate even

actual Mickey Mouse in the Kingdom Hearts games was given a more Serious tone Then link in the the the Wind Waker the hey Arnold choice at the time had some fucking weight to it But it was still an artistic and creative choice that was cool and it was gorgeous It worked really nicely especially when the whole game came together And you saw what the rest of the characters looked like and then you saw what fucking Ganon looked like you know I vividly remember when the Wind Waker stuff came out and we saw it in EGM and

I was like, okay, you you go ahead and keep playing your fucking Baby shit games. I'm gonna go play Final Fantasy 10. Yeah, and I got in Metal Gear 2 and Yeah, it was it was so like Baby shit games. That's that's that exactly what the thought was But I fucking I did and it was a great and it was great. It was a great, you know But then right this and so after having this weird moment where you're like everyone laughs at this I really enjoyed it except for the fucking the back. We don't need to But like I and like this the art I was appreciating the art style, you know from just a cartooning point of view. Yeah, and

like And and people that are and your friends that are gonna fight with you're gonna be like you're just rationalizing Like you're just internalize the pain and I'm like, oh is it because I know people to do that and that's garbage like that guy Oh, I've known that would do that that guy that we talked about word like the fucking FF7 went ringtone went off and he thought it was a Zelda thing because his hatred of anything not Sony was so aggressive it was just this anyway, whatever the story was um, so hard cut Flash forward the trailer for Twilight Princess

Blades will bleed and the and the art of the Lord of the Rings Army on the horizon right like marching upwards and you get the fucking The guy Jen for coma like that Yeah, the the everyone losing their shit reaction because people who were making fun of the last thing are getting a thing They think it's cool and people who like the last thing are finally like no way. Yeah, finally. Look everybody can like yeah Yeah, and then we all freak out because it's super it's super realistic and it's dead serious We all finally got a serious link game and it was the top 10 most serious games ever and now Even though it couldn't be because it's still about Lincoln's all the organic and now

Everyone is gonna see and everyone's gonna stop thinking that it's a stupid And then you start that game and that fucking weird baby with the eyebrows is there. Yeah, sure And Malo's the most serious of all but either way that and then you can go back you go back and rewatch the reveal trailer With the audience oh my god for Twilight Princess. It's this weird thing It's like was the Wind Waker art style incredible. Absolutely, and it remains incredible and it held up really well, too But like was it the right choice for the time? I don't think so one of the top 10 pop-off audience videos of all time in video games Twilight Princess reveal trailer

With Shiggy jumping out on the stage afterwards. Yeah, I am not the rink, but I do know him like the the the probably second it goes to Snake and Brawl Yeah, Snake and Brawl was like Babies were born at that at peak Explosion website checking that Nintendo website was like oh my god the amount of

Like you'd walk through the office at work and and people were just Refreshing that shit at fiving their browser all day Waiting for that update, you know Snake and Brawl big pop-off for that and like I Know there's been a ton since but I always talk about the the Mexican eerie reveal Because I haven't heard anything like it and I and I and if that's that's just lost in the annals of time, but Yeah, man, if you if you enjoy if you enjoy a proxy crowd-hype videos Twilight Princess is up there and then from that point forward. I think they started just like getting ports of other shit

Mm-hmm, you know, but Nintendo did Like they had an image of being not serious because they aggressively didn't want those games. Yeah For sure Except when they did But they would go to other people to get them. I don't know. It's a weird thing I would love to see a more serious game from Nintendo of any kind But I don't think anybody who works on their primary dev teams wants to do that. Is it not an alce? What's the word annals?

Annals of time. Yeah, the annals of time. Okay. I've never heard it pronounced. Yeah I think the only time I've ever heard it pronounced by another human being is Fucking Eli talking to one of his dark souls things Annals he says the annals of history and also, okay For now I learned it cool Yeah, it's it's quite it's quite interesting Context is vital gang. Yeah, and like you said now we want nothing more than to well not really we tune link is wasting a slot Well, no, but now like there's so much hyper serious hyper violent shit that when a fuck it when

Yarni shows up You remember Yarni showing up I don't Yarni was at the PlayStation conference and it was a fucking indie game about a fucking PC yarn sure sentient PC yarn and it was like Yarni's gonna go on an adventure. Yay, and everyone's like, yeah Yarni like it's it's completely inverted. Yeah, it's now a bunch of 35 to 50 year olds Going yeah action figure doll Anime that you know, it's just like it's yeah, lately inverted. Well because the state of affairs is cod blops. Yeah, and

Brown shooters, right still but gray sometimes because the future We're at gray shooters. I mean, it's not really it's not like brown shooters are not on top of the market anymore No, right that has become like, you know That has fallen by the wayside a little bit, but it still exists Yeah, and it's still a thing and it's still a significant like fucking truck of change to put out every year. So You know what was always funny to me the During the brown shooter craze. Halo was like in its peak, right and

Halo's environment design for most of its areas Was it like like it was big open areas that but I'm just talking about like the look of the levels It was green, right? It was green. Yeah, that that was the primary color of halo It was green. Yeah, and even if the areas because they were so much larger had way less detail in them They always looked way more visually appealing Just because there was grass like that that change alone There's also a lot of purple in the alien thing I mean, okay, so early ass halo when I was

When it went that when we were first hearing about it and I was in high school I remember that was sold to me by a friend who was explaining that like The whole game is one giant map. It's a ring and the halo you can run the whole ring. Yeah, that's a Huge lot. It's the biggest line in the world man But at the top but like I don't know if that's what they intended and then it eventually they couldn't do it Yeah, or if it was just a lie from the get-go to just a setting thing Yeah, but I remember that's what I was like. Oh, that sounds incredibly impressive. Yeah is a giant open world ring globe

Now those levels were really big compared to every literally every other shooter that came out at the time Like and still honestly those levels are really big But yeah, it's just you look back in time and you look at brown shooter brown shooter brown shooter Call of Duty would be brown shooter for nine out of ten levels and then the one night level would be blue right and Halo levels would be Green or purple Or like a metallic or like I'm like that's all it took

Because you'd look at a screenshot and halo would be like a bright colorful blue sky with green grass and tree And you're like, oh, wow, and then you look at fucking Hour of victory or whatever the fuck and it's look like garbage Rainbow six was also not on that same color. No rainbow six. Yeah back in the day was In that era, I would call its color palette neon because there were the Vegas games were the popular ones Oh, I'm talking well before Vegas. Okay. I'm talking rainbow six rogue spear Yeah, that was that was bleak whatever whatever color palette it wanted it was gonna be harsh and mean I got what was the third one called?

rainbow six rogue spear and There was a third RS thing and yeah, anyway, there's a lot man It's and now man Remember when games used to have like completely singular color palettes for the whole game Like brown shooter, I mean mech warrior two is a brown mech again. Yeah, that's Raven shield. Thank you. Yeah, I remember like a game that I love very much called

Freedom fighters. Yeah. It's an IO interactive game That's incredible for the the ps2 and GameCube and Xbox That game is red like and almost everything is some shade of red or like Like it'll be like Like a different color, but it'll have like like red undertones like on almost every single item in the game But the but the most important question is design choice or design limitation. Well, sometimes it's both very helpful

Mega man design limitation. Yeah mirrors edge design choice. Yeah Entire generations apart, but yeah, that's not the point It depends on what you're talking about and and and and I'm ported on what system slash Yeah, put out on what it makes me think of like remember how in love We both are with the idea of the way that for me to wait a Creates like the idea for a game and it was just like an image and then the image and it's like Games in general or like at least areas in games. I think should have a primary color Right in like we were talking about when waker to me when waker is blue

When waker is a blue game 99% of that game is blue and it's a really nice blue I see that right Like but not everything Needs that no, but it helps. Yeah, I feel like it really helps like mirrors edge. Mm-hmm is white and Stark opposing color for almost every single area except for the last one Yeah, which is why which is why that last area worked really well skull girls is black and gold. Yep

No, it is it is really it helps identity when you have a very it reminds me of an old I don't know what I what I would call it but some like little the video game art thought exercise and it was a line of eight vertical lines that were two pixels and One was red and white the next one was yellow and red So the next one some of them were some of them were three pixels Yeah, but it was all the Street Fighter 2 characters and it's like what game is this and what are these? Yeah, it's like it's Street Fighter 2 and you can tell like that. It was Laughably easy color color choice and silhouettes very important very you know, but again

It's like if your goal is like to have a cartoonized style to emphasize and Exaggerate like these are all things you do literally talk about Somebody in the chat yell Deus Ex is piss. Yes. Yes, that's true But like if you a lot of these times if you go back to the concept art on these games You're gonna see like they were From day one like using of these colors. Yeah in every image, you know, like it was going to be like a repeating thing a lot of games At this point will like pick that they'll pick a very distinct like color or or monochromatic tone or something like that and and or do a tone

They'll pick a do a tone sometimes and then go like this is the identity And on the other side the the game that I can think of the most that like says fuck you to the entire conversation We're having is dragons dogma. Have you seen footage of dragons dogma? It it looks like Intentionally devoid of artistic like flourish. Mm-hmm. Everything is as like just right. It's not it's just rendered as it could be It's just rendered. Yeah, because it wants to be grimy and and fucking plain and now my impression as an outsider of the witcher Yeah, also that yeah with the exception of the main character. Well witcher goes for something different Witcher doesn't go for flat rendering

Most if not all areas in the Witcher have actually gone for flat rendering and then they take like a bucket of shit of VCs and then paint on the area sure the vast majority of locations in the Witcher series have been very Carefully intentionally made to look like the grimyist most awful places to live ever The vast majority of your time in Witcher 3 is spent in a like Swampy shithole marshland. Yeah, that is like yeah, this is this is like a kind of Europe That's not like hedge-roser. It's like this is just a fucking horrible these these Forests are kind of thick, but they're shitty looking like it's just a shit area

making and making a design choice to play with color is I Mean you know how important that is to me. Yeah, I purchased and completed the saboteur Yeah, entirely Sold on the concept of how it plays with black and white and color Yeah, and as you liberate areas they go from Nazi Germany and black and white with red Swastikas and whatnot to being like liberated and colorful in France, you know like That shit is pure aesthetic and I super love that

Not every game like Anyway, it depends on the subject matter, I guess obviously, you know, it's not always we're just we're kind of meandering Yeah, yeah, but like yeah, no, I like it when Something has a definitive color Like I like I would say that indivisible right now to me feels like What whatever shade of yellow is Ajna's shirt? Mm-hmm is the the color color of the game. Yeah, yeah I would agree with that for sure and like it I

Remember when like the we got the We saw we saw the ink splotch Street Fighter 4 Like oh Idea and then it was like is this going to be what the game looks like no Of course and and they thought about that and it was too much Oh, yeah, but they kept it in places like focus attacks. Yeah, and eventually like Ryu does his shinshoryuken Yeah, but But they came but it was the aesthetic of those of those those cut scenes that we saw early on yeah that where everyone was like

Oh my god, it's just gonna be the most beautiful. I think the one that hurt the most was like the Street Fighter cross-tech and like CG trailers that all had wild like different CG art styles and then it was the game and you're like I Mean I thought it was really interesting that when super came out the new intro did watercolor instead of ink It was a pencil Because I know there's one that did watercolor but with Chun Lee I think No, yes. Yes, the super one did it did hatching right it did cross hatching In the intro with super with Chun Lee fighting. I'm Kami. Yeah, and jury shows up. Yeah, you're right

But there there was a water. No, it was a watercolor. I think it's five It's Chun Lee trailer that has watercolor perhaps Yeah, getting it all together Okami represents like one of the most successful versions of like Look theory pretty concept execution all Married together. Oh, yeah, they're good top to bottom You know port that game to whatever just keep porting it ported to 4k. No problem. It'll still look glorious, you know I mean, I'm sure I'm something like the fact that like those they they managed to do that

And the textures didn't take a shit Well, the textures barely even matter because they like it was this weird thing when Okami kept getting ported a different thing The number one complaint was that the fucking paper filter was not prominent enough Because it's like well that really made the whole game look like a moving painting You got to put that paper filter on there man parchment that shit. Yeah, man You know not everything not every gate like anyway when the art when the art is like I Will drive when the art is flying the ship. Yeah, you know I'm on board. I will say however there is

There is a way to go too far with what we're talking about Mm-hmm and fall out 3 and fall out New Vegas in particular Go way and Deus Ex human revolution Go way the fuck too far and that is they design all the art in the game And they color it and they do all that stuff according to the thing and they go That's not enough and then they throw a fucking tone filter on Literally every frame and it's like like fallout 3 looks green Why does it look green because there's a fucking really strong green filter on?

literally everything in the game and Because your pit boy. Yeah doing all fallout New Vegas looks kind of yellowish Why not because 90% of the game is yellow which it is but because there is a slight orange filter on every single thing Right, and it's like one of the first mods for those games that ever came out was Just turn that off. Just just turn it off and when they re-released a human revolution They added the ability to turn off the quote-unquote piss filter. You didn't ask for piss. I Think the game looks so much better without that filter. I think it pops so much more and

I find the color is present anyway The the cult black and gold is all over. It's all over. Yeah, why the fuck did it need extra extra gold? Yeah, okay, no I had There was a game that I was gonna ask you about oh, yeah, um, okay, so all I know about this is that everyone hates it for all right gameplay, but Doom 3 Doom 3 got it had a really High contrast lighting system. Yeah, it was it was the first Or to my knowledge one of the first

Retail PC games that used real lighting in that light sources were cast. Yeah dynamically instead of being pre-baked Everything's pitch black except for Any particular light source which includes your flashlight and then monsters would be mostly obscured and yeah shit like that So like that was their style. So that was their choice. Yeah, the style and that was a that was an art choice and There were Gameplay problems with it. I was gonna say gameplay aside. Did that work? Oh, it's gorgeous. It's incredible. Okay, it looked it looked unbelievable And particularly at the time because it was the first time that like in pitch darkness You would be firing a chain gun and you would be able to point and shoot at enemies based off the light coming off

Your own gun the muzzle. It was it was incredible. It was crazy. Is that still called the muzzle flash? Yeah, it's okay Yes, all right the gun the gun light the gun light. Yeah. Yeah, it looks fucking unbelievable Doom Doom 3 was Impressive in a huge amount of ways The overall art was kind of weak like it's pretty standard Demons and like the humans look fucking bad the screenshots were gorgeous But the way that they use light in that game was a plus and That's I that's the that's what I that's all I remember of the game is the the hype around its lighting. Yeah

Because half-life 2 did way more stuff and came out at pretty much the same thing in time. It did facial animation it did It did a bunch of physics stuff if you remember that but its characters were so low-poly Yeah, that they kind of just let the kid will the character look in in Half-life 2 looked way better than Doom 3 like they were way higher poly than dooms But the lighting was static so When you looked at doom and you looked at half-life in a screenshot half-life would not Interesting my brain is not at all remembering that because again all my even so when I think of half-life 2

I think of the part where the side one of the scientists just goes And runs into like a vent or whatever and then a bunch of body parts just come that's half-life 1 dude Oh my god, no wonder you think it's low-poly. That's a game from 98. I damn it never mind That's it. That's a never mind. Oh shit. You think that never mind. I don't I don't know anything, dude Yeah, I like is I like yeah, right that game. Oh my god. Oh forget it. That's way off, bro That's hilarious. Yeah, I I don't know then I got I have no idea I've no idea why Zelda 1 looks so bad. Yeah Crazy dude, so I guess

Yeah, then I know then I haven't been half-life 2 was the first game that I can remember that you could plug voice actors dialogue into the rig and the face would match it based off of like Math movements, they showed that off in one of the tech demos and everyone was like, oh my god This is the future. Yeah, basically portal, right? like the like the the quality Models like yeah, it's just portal. Yeah, right. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's what you think. Yes. Yeah, so yeah, okay, right Way later way later. Why infinitely infinitely so yeah, that's that's how little I'm fucking aware

Yeah, you know you should play half-life and half-life to those games are fucking great I think I think what's really funny is that I think which part half-life one Actually held up over time way better than half-life to because half-life to has these moments that aged so Fucking bad in half-life to within the first two hours as a part where it's like you have to get up to like a You're in like a like a little pit and you have to get up out of the pit And the only way you can do so is there's like a seesaw and there's all these bricks in the area So you go I'm gonna take the bricks and put them at the bottom of the seesaw and then when I go up on the thing

It won't fall because physics and Like in 2001, I think it was that was like, oh my god This is the fucking future of video game and now it's like oh this puzzle sucks. This puzzle shit. This sucks also anyone can Run a physics engine over there Unreal Engine grass with perfect Skybox, yeah, what else you got, you know, it's like, okay. Yeah, you you can get photorealism and physics What else do you have in terms of game design? What's interesting particles? We got particles

We've got photorealistic Sonic and yeah and Kirby. Yeah running around the grass field Jump force every single time I see this is what Zelda would look like in the Unreal Engine I go that looks like shit Because you're just you're just throwing like a Sonic or a Zelda model like into one of the Unreal asset Levels like the forest or whatever the fuck it is and no, but this is what it could be though Yeah, it could be Boring-looking and totally devoid of any personality whatsoever publish an article about it Do it publish the article do it come on

Like I was already making fun of those videos when I first saw that Kotaku article Pop that was just like this is what Mario could look like if Nintendo and Okay, it looks like shit. Oh great. Yeah. Good. Super Awesome. Awesome. Great. What's going on? My internet has been fucked so I took a week off a little bit ago And then as soon as I came back to start streaming my upload is terrible it constantly it goes from 6,000 KBS which is

perfect for streaming to zero every couple of minutes and Sometimes when it's real bad every couple of 30 seconds Just are you straight up? No, it is it is technical. It is not. I'm not uploading big porn's Are you but are you are you saying here before King and Country? Yeah That you're a red bar. I am a red bar now You need to go home. I know But the home is where the red bar is

Figure it out, buddy My internet has played in that cafe and I've been looking at it I was like it's been getting worse and worse over Jack or McGee about a period of two months But I never really noticed because it didn't affect streaming But then like I'm like fuck I'm so frustrated Maybe maybe it's just the twitch servers and then I logged on to destiny to have shots not register And then people teleporting around and it's like oh Great

Yeah, so I'm a big red bar now Videotron sent a man out to my house The man went into the back of my house and went and you know the videotron box where the cables go and the kid and the internet comes from He went yeah, this shit looks broken Replaced every single part of it replace the cable did all that shit Can we test any games to completion? We tested it I was like wow looks great and then He left and an hour later broken again

So I'm getting fucking Bell installed tomorrow That is a Whirlwind of emotions that I'm sure you're going through yeah, well Bell offers fiber internet a Videotron does not mm-hmm, but at the same time you came crawling back Did you really you always go crawling back? We really only have two ISPs in this province I've managed to stay out for you crawl back and forth between the two depending on service I've I've managed to stay out for my entire adult life really yeah Entire like no never had to never do I don't know what to tell you Bell

Yeah offers a faster service that is more reliable and So the next really I gotta go to work. I gotta have internet that fucking works like yeah And the next time the guy comes to your door you welcome him in yeah They don't come and offer him tea or whatever. I have my own house now, and I have a bat by the door So what's he gonna do? Come to the house of a loyal subscriber and do what I tell you what though and kids and try to upsell you I tell you what though. There's part of me deep in my chest in my heart

That already regrets this decision despite the fact that it will Assuredly fix the internet problem and deliver faster speeds and actually cheaper. I'm kind of surprised. I All so I signed up for the thing. I went to the Bell store Yesterday You know to verify your information all that stuff make the appointment on the way here to this podcast I Got a call from Bell Offering me the TV service that I rejected ten times yesterday. What did I just finish saying? I know Now luckily my phone is on permanent silent and every voice every phone call goes to voicemail ever I do not get phone

Calls anymore. This is a text machine So I just look at the number and I go fuck off But my internet has to work I have not I have not like consistently streamed in like we're going on three weeks now. I Gotta go to work Dude, it's that X and it's that X where when you when she sees your number call in Whatever like whatever she whatever horrible like fucking entrails. She's pulling out of a body Yeah, she stops to go. Oh Pat's calling. Yeah. Whoo. Yeah

Hey there, what's up? Well, trust me. I'm going through all these emotions, but The primary emotion is anxiety because every time I go to fucking work I go to stream the stream lasts for an hour and then starts to fall to pieces Got got to be able to do it Yeah, got like that's the end of it. Yeah Like Lest you become the red bar warrior. Yeah, I refuse. I don't want to do it I think it's like you just hey, it's just where you live

You're gonna need to find a way to get out of them boonies and Get into somewhere where there's real internet It's a really easy opportunity to as far as I'm as far as I know I'm pretty sure I know exactly what is causing the internet troubles with video video Trump Which is videotron does not offer a fiber optic service. They say it's fiber But it's a lie It's called fiber to node in which they have a fiber line that goes to your local telephone pole or whatever And they run a coax cable from that to your house, right?

Problem is is that coax cable to your house means that fiber node is being shared with Everyone in your neighborhood that has videotron. I was waiting to say at least it's not your neighbors like it used to be and You're saying it probably still if you use cable, right coaxial cable internet Yeah, you are sharing that internet with every Subscriber of your it particular internet service on your block. Yes, and the fact that the Upload speed that I am using starts to fucking hard tank at about 9 p.m. Every single night

Leads me to believe that it's quite possible Somebody is uploading big ponds in my in my vicinity could be could be So the the primary reason I'm going with Bell because they have a fiber optic service is because you don't share a fiber optic line with anyone Maybe someone in your area is mining for Bitcoin. Maybe they are mining And and somehow that's affecting back with yes, somehow it's an offline Get your coins out of my computer. Um, so that's really frustrating. Yeah, I mainly play destiny I don't really have anything new to say about destiny other than I'm enjoying it a lot. It's really good Did you did you did you play in complete games as a red bar?

Did you did you with oh, yeah, and destiny is not a problem the band the upload thing is completely fine, okay but I did play some indivisible I played a Three four hours of indivisible. I caught wind which I do not like at all. Yep That's what I'm not gonna say that it's bad because it's not. Mm-hmm. That's actually extremely high quality and almost every respect I don't think I like anything about that game other than It's audio visual presentation, which is fantastic, and I'm going to assume it's Because all the things that you said were great last week

I'm going to assume it's because you miss the things that other games have everything that you talked about. Oh my god I'm so glad it's gone last week. You want him. I want it back. You want a menu. I want a menu. Yeah You want a list? I okay. You want to heal between fights? Let's let's fucking sidestep something for a second That game needs a move list It's stupid that that game does not have a move list the the triangle How to play the character screen Should show you more moves it should show you what every move on the character does Yeah, and I saw Mike Z on Twitter talking about how complicated it would be to add a move list to Ajna because her move list

Changes over levels and he's like it's just so hard. Just learn the moves I'm like the all the problems you are describing with why it would be difficult to implement a move list is why it is difficult for people to learn this character's moveset in their mind Mike Z Mm-hmm put put a goddamn and yeah, I kind of got snippy is like every game we make people ask for a move list like yeah Put a put a fucking move list in your game It's Rick like it was really frustrating to me when I was playing as Ajna and she didn't cheer and she changed her move Set when she got the bow. Yeah, and I couldn't launch anyone consistently anymore or and she got a cheer at one point And I was like, what does the cheer do what does it do? It makes the arrows explode sure

But but what how come the cheer doesn't come out? Sometimes I can do the cheer multiple times It's it's yeah, it's it's a downer. It's a down. It's anyway. It's a down attack later in the straight right Yeah, it's it's totally totally agreed. Um, I think that this is an RPG made by a bunch of people who go we need to take all that crap filler out of RPGs and It's not an RPG at all It's an action game with platforming So what makes an RPG well, I don't know because that's that because I disagree with that and I think this this fits into like That this fits into like what I understand an RPG to be but at the same time

Here's the thing if you just because something has levels doesn't mean that it's an RPG right and nine numbers And out of the three four hours that I played The vast majority of my time was spent platforming doing kind of actiony game battles like Valkyrie profile or Bits of dialogue, so let's head it off at the past right what is a genre? Yeah, is not something you can put a hard little no, it's it's variable It's always gonna be variable right with the what is a fighting game discussion that I've had for years or what?

I would say that indivisible is closer to a single-player fighting game than it is to an RPG But the point remains that like what is a thing is always going to have examples of things that bend the rules And it's always gonna have things that let include some more that that others do more and that others do less So right like at the end of the day there can be an RPG that is on the fringe of Like what you see that as oh sure, but I don't think that a developer saying that something is an RPG is Good enough to make it part of that genre. I could call Super Mario RPG a shooter That doesn't necessarily make it a shooter, right? Not necessarily no, but I think that But like I just like you can like quest 64

Yeah, right to some people wouldn't be an RPG because it's a piece of shit Well forgot the combat is what I'm talking about. Yeah, right, but at the same time I think it's ridiculous to say it's not an RPG But do you remember do remember how we described how people called Zelda games RPGs and how that's ridiculous Action RPGs. Yeah, I think that is way more We're I think that is way more sensible than calling indivisible an RPG and action RPG. Yeah, that's what we said. Yeah We like but this this is a this is a great elements are there There's a level on your main character and that's it to me. It's it's that it's like having a party. I

Guess lots of games have I know but that's but but now we're getting into the feelings of it, right? I because I'm not an like RPG expert No, but but but it's but what RPGs tend to have like to do the same thing I did in fighter pedia What is a fighting game? Yeah, right like a smash a fighting game like you go, okay? You can't put a hard list down because it's always gonna be except right But you go, what do they tend to have right RPGs tend to have levels RPGs tend to have party members Yeah, they also tend to have exploration. They also tend to have customization of those characters They also tend to have they tend management and choices that you make in the remember when you describe downtime

There's no menu management. Yeah, that's part of they tend to have those. They tend to have Enemies that become encounters. Yeah, right and then that lead to Bosses they also tend to have a narrative focus. Okay, so what is Yakuza? Yakuza is absolutely a classic JRPG Okay, top to bottom like everything that you would say like not top to bottom because your your combat system is active as fuck Yeah, your combat systems active, but so is the legend series and those games date back to the Super Nintendo Okay, but when you say classic RPG my brain thinks of Dragons quest. Yeah, and it's fantasy. It's yeah, it's very very similar to sorry not like those tales. I'm thinking of tales

Yeah, but tales games are further from the pure Idea dude tales because I'm out on the Super Nintendo But but RPGs right that are not that When you look at the rest of the genre do they not tend to be turn-based? Depends and like menu-based like you've got the Star Ocean series You've got the tales series. You've got like I think I think it's being facetious to say that like So tales exists as this game that is an action has an action battle system Yeah, but it's very obvious that when you go into

Chrono trigger any of the FF games any of the like Dragon Quest games any of the main like All right, a lot of the major franchises that are RPGs will have a fight item Oh magic really absolute fun, you know, like what I'm saying what I'm saying is is that Yakuza is Aside from its combat system, which is active, right? Everything about that game structure is old-school RPG to the maximum They're open they're open area ones, right and then the combat system is a punch-and-kick which is unique to itself But it having a unique feature does not disqualify it Especially when that unique feature was also seen in there are so many fucking tales games

And there are like four or five shitty Star Ocean games like that and infinite a discovery all that crap Like there's a bunch that is not unknown by that metric like fucking Indivisible is just a story-heavy Metroidvania with with Pseudo turn-based battles because tales has always in to me the tales series has always existed as like An RPG with a with a twist. Yeah, you know and Well, the thing is and I bring up Yakuza because to me

I'm like my impression of that is like that too could be an RPG with a twist Although in my head, it's also like Shenmue. So, you know, it's you know, it's gotten a lot farther away Right, but like yeah, exactly. I don't I don't know, you know, but um, it's a it's this but in this case It's this tough thing because like you're right, but at the same time There's a certain amount of like dude tales is so old and there are so many of them Right. Yeah, and you look at Nino Cooney. Nino Cooney also has an active battle system Yeah, it does and and so to start there have been a lot of those and Over time and then there's Kingdom Hearts, which is the core of everyone's argument

Yeah, we're for for the entire franchise people have been fighting about what it is. You're right an action game So but in the end, I don't think but genre classification. It's not a big deal. It's an important. What is actually important? Yeah So the only reason I would say genre classification is important is because the game was pitched as an RPG It's it's and it's not I mean it's it's pitched as what it is though It did it it literally says action adventure RPG on it and it's an action and it's an action RPG It's not Willie. There are there are no RPG elements in this game aside from battles and Leveling and only one character levels, but those are big. No, they're not almost every game levels up now

Perhaps to you. No, Willie. I'm literally telling you almost every single game has you leveling up sure I know I understand that aspect of it, but I'm saying that like The the way the game like plays out the the feeling of it the pace of how it's like You're still the pace of how it plays is a fucking subpar Metroid game with Action battles. All right. All right. Anyway, like Because at the because at some point right like we can debate the the definitions Mm-hmm, but you don't need to get into like that to just say what you didn't enjoy about it

Okay, well what I didn't enjoy is one step one It was portrayed as an RPG when there aren't almost no RPG elements in it The only thing that you actually get to decide at any point is your party makeup. That's it You don't get to decide where to go You don't get to decide what to do. You don't get to decide what to use All you get to decide is who's in your party. That's it That's the extent of character choice or customization total. There aren't any items. There isn't any equipment There isn't like

Let me like I knew that that that indivisible was gonna be a problem for me within 20 minutes Because the first 20 minutes is The worst part of the game by far and it shows what that game cares about when you get to There's a point where you get to a boat and you can travel to areas. Mm-hmm When in terms of where to go And in any particular area is there any side paths or there any there's you go back to Find there's rings old there's as far as I know there's items you can go back or bosses in certain areas as well It fights in certain places. I mean I explored every area all the items that you get later on that lets you go back to do

Things in a metroidvania kind of way. Yeah, but it's there. It's not it's not a Complete like it's not like you can't choose to go those places. So that's not really true But you can continue with so I should mention I got to Mount Simeru. That's where I stopped Okay, which is I got the bird neckeroo. Yeah, right? Yeah, that it after that after that. Yeah, that was four hours in But go on with your points You start the game and it has a very lunar style old-fashioned like the old party is fighting the final boss. That's really cool And then you go to your starter town Right, you wake up and there's your starter town and each character has a line of dialogue and they're all in a row because it's 2d

and None of them are merchants which was worrying None of them had anything to actually do. They were just background like a chatter and then you talk to your dad and you have one conversation And before that conversation even started. I'm like he's gonna die. This village is dead But I was blown away That the village was dead by the time I had returned to the former screen

Like what do I give a shit? About these no ones and this character that's had what 40 lines of dialogue Oh, no, my dad's dying. Ah, who cares? Like there's no setup. It's just it it feels like It feels like a kid fast-forwarding through a movie to get to the cool part Because there's nothing there and that's why I'm like, okay, so the game story means nothing And it's all just gonna be an excuse to get new party members on your team Like it

That everyone in that town was dead within 20 minutes. Yeah, I so like I can't Make a qualitative statement on how much time you need to spend to care about what you're looking at or not Obviously in the case of something like Xenogears, it matters more because more time is spent. Sure You know, uh In other cases if you're looking at the the the fair so in chrono trigger or uh, rather, um a more apt Comparison would be wild arms. Mm-hmm, right before the shit hits the fan or whatever like Welly, let me tell you something. Sure. I've played a lot of fucking

RPGs you hurt you certainly have. All right. There is a really clear formula that everybody uses because it works And there are obvious divergences from there But you mentioned chrono trigger you mentioned Xenogears. The usual thing is Plot you down in the town Force you to interact with the town in some degree May maybe do whatever Have a dungeon Reason to leave the town, right?

Leave it Have a sequence outside of it Return Then it's fucked At and when the time when you interact with it, you have to know characters. You have to meet people Like even legend of legia a kind of subpar but called classic game on ps1 Follows this formula better. Sure. And I and here's the thing I don't mind that that indivisible doesn't follow the formula

I mind that it follows the formula but rushes to get through it as fast as possible See code in two with luke blight, right? Everybody loves luke blight die piggy, right? That's the intro to indivisible. It's very very similar The the difference is that when you're talking with your dad On them on the hill and he's looking behind you The town is on fire It's on fire right now Unless you mean to say that the entire attack happened in the 35 seconds that it takes you to run back

Actually his back is to the town. He's facing you and you're oh, so you should be seeing the town on fire the other way around Oh my bad ultimately like It's like I can't it's much harder to just Be like there's no defense to say like Okay, but I just didn't that didn't bother me. I enjoyed. Yeah, I know So so I like the like when it comes to something with I'm like, yeah I would have like if you spent more time if the if there was more content in the village that would have been objectively better

But the fact that there wasn't was not something that I was bothered by and then I I don't really have a Then I can't fight to say like oh, it's it's like Yeah, like it happened so fast and then like oh, no, it was fine that it was that fast Like there's nothing else to say there except for Yeah, but I guess that wasn't as important to me like I still enjoyed what happened immediately afterwards and I continued to enjoy That's the that's the thing is like I'm Over the it's harder to defend what you like Over the next couple hours to I was

bored So like every let me can I finish my yeah, sure, right? It's harder to defend what you like Uh, then it is when to to like, uh, address point by point you know, uh, uh criticism some things that bother you, right and All the only thing I can really say is like I think if there's things that like that that bother you like a lot That don't bother me as much that I'm going to Like not think about them as much

Yeah, but like the way that I'm thinking about it is actually somewhat reversed Is that there was no part of the game's story at all in the first three four hours that interested me at all It was my town burned down The town that no one cares about and doesn't matter and was built to die And then we met a bunch of characters who are all interesting

But I can tell we'll have no relevance on the plot because it's ajna's game. I love the characters. Yes, but they don't matter It's ajna's game Okay, but what does that mean like I you played ff 10 Yeah, right. Yeah, does yuna matter in the party? Like story wise Does yuna have does yuna do things in the party does things in the party Does oran talk and have things to say and that matter Yes, but I'm not but I don't understand the the core thing here because

Regardless of what you're saying matters or doesn't especially because I don't even know where the Endgame goes at this point though and neither do you but you're spending time with these characters Like the game the adventure is but you're not actually spending time But the adventure is like talking to these characters So whether or not you like them has a big bearing on how much you're going to enjoy What you're playing Right, like if you don't like the characters then you're good then the more dialogue you're going to have with them Oh, no, uh, what's her name rasmi, uh, the shaman. Yeah incredible. Yeah, awesome. She's fantastic, right?

But like what I'm saying is when you're like, oh, this is ajna's story. They don't matter But I'm like, yeah, but when I the hours I played so far the entire party has been present for every major conversation and they've all been there Having a part in every Like plot cutscene that's happened so far to me. So when you're saying they don't matter I'm like, what does that mean? They have no bearing on the plot. You don't know that I do know that because they're stuck in her head They literally can't do anything But how is that a response to like I enjoy these characters and I enjoy the interactions with them in the game

Like what part of What part of these are cool characters and you're spending your time? I don't know what to say to you. Well, you you started to talk about enjoying characters as a response to me saying that they didn't matter Like I do enjoy a bunch of them. Okay. Okay. Let me let me try to break this down into it's like most base thing, right? Um, the way you're going to spend hours in the game Is using and talking with these characters, right?

There is a core point plot That is Going to go somewhere or be whatever Um, the roles of which these characters will fill in that like end game. We will see who knows But in the meantime the hours that are being spent With these characters Are things that I like doing. All right So if none of them if you're saying that there's a core point plot that is just about her

And her legend or her thing or whatever to some degree like every story focuses on a main character But i'm just talking about like what you're spending the video game time doing. All right Let me let me try this again part of the problem that I had within the visible Is that very early on I was taught to not take the story seriously Because the story doesn't take itself because the speed of the intro. Yeah, okay, and also because then nothing happens for like four hours You you go to the you go to the you go to the fucking Fortress and the guy goes oh, I'm evil and flies away. That's it. This is sub lunar levels of plot

Like this is there is nothing going on in this in this game so far It is literally bad man bad gonna get bad man bad man fly away Oh bad man. I'm gonna get you like there's nothing going on. Okay Like the only people I got to meet were either that villain or people that joined the party I'm gonna assume there are no towns in this game. There's a town right after that part. Uh-huh It's what do you do there? You go there you meet uh an important character to the story But do you get to explore the town? Well, yeah, so it's a like it's a long stage. Okay, so you but you don't explore

I mean, there's no enterable buildings Uh No, most of that stuff is like there's one that there's the building with that character in it. Yeah um And then towards the end there's like a port and then there's uh There's a lot of backer characters hanging around that you talk to so did you uh, you play you play guacamele, right? Yeah, so that had 2d towns, but it also had vertical elements and you could enter into buildings, right? Yeah, in this case, it's a like it's a smaller version of that and you're not going into buildings

Okay, so like to me that that's a background that has NPCs you can talk to Like part of the biggest thing for me and a lot of folks is that hey, you'll go to new places and you'll explore them There's I feel zero exploration in In indivisible not not only because Everything is a critical path and then maybe you go to the side and get a ring. So right But also like I just feel there's not going to be any like think think of a town in ff7 or a town in And you go into everybody's house and you see that's through all their stuff and again So that the reason why I disagree with that is because the way I felt we're talking about how you feel about these things, right?

And like as far as like Exploring goes. Uh, I remember after I hit that point. I was kind of like Wow, like we've I was thinking I was kind of looking at it like, uh, so so far in the whatever how many hours it was like We've been through like a couple different areas and like Tile sets if you want to kind of call it that and They were all they're pretty distinct from each other so far And I basically was just hitting the point where things were going to open up

But again, it's it's more to say that it's it's harder to come at it from the point of view saying like No, what's done here is fine and could not be better, right? Because that's a silly point to argue, right? It's never about like could it be done better as much as it is just like how much did that bug you I guess and and Still what I'm hearing is that I'm like the things that I enjoy are just different from the emphasis you're putting on What you're looking for and what you enjoy So I'd like to actually take a second to address some questions that I'm seeing that I'm sure people at home are having Yeah, I played the game for three three and a half hours. I don't think

that I I really don't like the idea that you have to play A game to completion or 10 hours or whatever to have an opinion on it I understand like I think the fact that hall that this game was unable to sell me on any part of it There is within like an entire sitting there. There is a a worry about like a review being written Oh, yeah, luckily. I'm not is not like seen or completed Like if somebody were to come out and tell me that all the things that I'm complaining about will then later change I'd be more than happy to hear it, but I don't think that's gonna happen

Um, no, it definitely just sounds like it's it's not for you. Uh, the other thing is that people are saying pat It's not a jrpg. It's like it was absolutely pitched as a spiritual successor to valkyrie profile Yeah, like because the combat is yeah, don't don't don't tell me that it's not the game that people told me it was going to be like Well, the it's the combat is almost identical It's yeah, but I'm not talking about just the combat. There's more to there's more to a game than just the combat There's more there is more to a game than just the combat, but a major reason why it's Pitched as this is because that's a huge factor to it. In fact, that takes up a giant slice of the pie Yeah, it's like to the other slices

At the end of the day, right? Like when something is pitched as a spiritual successor to something else There has to be a large recognizable Sure, but when you say mighty number nine Looking like a mega man game or being pitched as a spiritual successor Yes, but mighty number nine at the very least also has a similar level structure story structure, etc It is the same type of game. This has the same type of combat But it's like I didn't expect that after the combat for the depth in the game to be nothing Okay, right like like the combat is very in depth

Outside of the combat. Everything has zero depth. There's nothing to do Other than run left or right jump or talk to characters gear menus items customization customization There's none of it. Yeah, and there isn't any real exploration that I saw There were side paths and there will be doubling back with metroid. I mean, I saw branches that I couldn't cut right But like when I talk about exploration, I don't mean like Like a hollow knight or a or a metroid. I mean like look at the map. Where do you want to go?

I mean, I've had there's multiple moments in the like so I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about, but I'm saying there's multiple moments where in The game I'd be like I stopped to look and I see like one or two or three directions to go in And I'm like, I don't know. Let's try this one and see where that goes And then and then it leads to another one and I kind of go like, okay, let me go try this way that leads to like a Like a ring soul or whatever or in in one case it was an npc. Yeah, I was like, oh shit That was a missable Or a character that joined the party where I was like, oh, I could have missed that good thing. I didn't

like there is still a Metroidvania map that you are uncovering in the same way that I've done it in those games So that didn't feel too different if that's the case that I'm extra I'm actually more confused than I am of dislike at part of it because The beginning of the game feels like it's trying to Yeah, there was a there was an article a little while ago that was terrible But it was like being a jrpg fan means you don't never get to enjoy the first

Five to ten hours of any game that you play which is oh, yeah the setup in a jrpg usually takes a while I disagree with that sentiment because I like that part, but I get it a lot of people get frustrated So when I'm playing in a visible and it and everything about it seems to scream like Let's get to the meat of the game. Like let's get through the story setup Let's establish a villain as fast as possible, right? It is baffling to me that if it does open up later that so much of the game is so linear for so long I mean the imprint it's I don't think it's as uh I don't think it's as as

Drastic as like the way astral chain Kind of handles things right just as that's on my brain in terms of like your railroading and then suddenly you have this I think astral chain Yeah, it locks you in for like a good two hours But I feel the difference with astral chain is that astral chain has way way way More stuff overall that you can actually do in that game. It has way more menus No, but there are way more things that you can do you can pick up cans and throw them in a fucking garbage can't you can Do the lappy bullshit, but but to come back to it because I mean I think

like okay, well Then I don't want to overstate how much uh menus gear and items Are like how much of the that is what you're bothered by or not It's it's significant, but it's not the end of the world. Okay. My big problem is that There's nothing to do outside of combat It it is run and platform so that you can get to more combat But that's it and when the story like just

Was like a fart at the very beginning and like man, I don't care All that I'm looking forward to is the combat and then the combat got old because there's nothing around it other than Just the combat like yeah, I have the party that I like and I was switching characters in and out Okay, so every every couple fights. I'd be like, oh, let me try and figure out like a cool juggle With these characters right and then I would figure it out and then the combat would be the same as just hitting attack so, uh I now I understand completely or rather really no no no now I understand what I get what you're saying about like

The other stuff. Yeah in what in the way you just described it. I feel like that I have no choices to make outside of combat because what you're saying and and and they would lead you back to the Platforming which then would lead you to more combat. Yeah, so The reason why I was enjoying it is it's the same as what I stated last time is like those two things I like them a lot and I didn't miss other stuff and

One leading back to the other I couldn't wait to get into another I don't particularly enjoy the platforming I don't think it's very good. Okay. I I think it's really simple and boring So here's the thing and the problem is that like I can only make I can only talk about it from what I've seen so far But I've loved it so far I've loved the platforming so far and I've heard people say that it gets worse later on but to me like The stuff that we've been that I've been doing with the the there's like you get the arrow And then you do a couple of like trick shot get the arrow and then jump and quickly like all of that

I'm like, yeah, that's great. Like I've been enjoying that right so I don't I feel like the platforming has no hook Like it's very simple. I mean a hook would have been fantastic. No, no I you lose you lose momentum almost immediately all the time Uh, it's I love a good wall jump, bro. It's I love a good wall jump And there's and there's a bunch of you're farther than I am right? Yeah at the current time in the platforming I have two things I have a wall jump and I have the ability to hit an axe into a wall Yeah, you get more than that. What do you get you get a bow and arrow? I got the bow and arrow That's not part of platforming. Uh, yeah, it is. No, it's not. What do you platform with the bow and arrow? Yes

What do you platform with there's targets that you need to hit in midair in some cases to make platforms appear Okay, to make it to the next area. It's a part of the platform. All right Um, and then you get a spear Uh, which lets you do a spear jump. Okay So that is better than what I've been playing currently which is Those two things here's it's like there's nothing going on I had like there's one ringsle that I had to do that. I was like, oh, that's that was a fun thing where you kind of like You hit the you you anyway

Like you have to make it over like a barrier that is temporarily there and then disappears and then like You know get up and so there's like at some midair arrow shenanigans that you're kind of doing to make stuff appear And I was like, ah, that was fun. But like I like I said, I like that part And then it let and then I couldn't wait to get into the next fight right so Yeah, I got the stuff that you were missing was stuff that I'm like I just want to get to the next fight. Yeah, I was in a situation which I was platforming and that was like Okay, I'm running. I'm jumping and then I'd be in the fight and it'd be like, okay. I know how to beat this

I'm just gonna beat it and then I would beat it and Then I'm like, okay, when are we getting to the next story part? Okay, the story part is I don't care and I'm like and then I got to the end of it. I'm like, I didn't enjoy anything Now if I can put out now, like I want to put out there that like Depending on what that extra stuff is Like if there's like because in some cases, right like literally in files an astral chain Yeah, you're walking around the town and there's like a kid's like go get me an ice cream. Yeah, that thing's hilarious. Yeah

Um, that's probably the best side quest in the whole game because it's fucking possible. It's nonsense, right? Uh, but then they then it's repeated with a bunch of box moving It's took me like an hour and it's and it's utter and it's some nonsense bullshit But also you can't redo it once you do it. You have to fucking reload the file Which is trash by the way. Yeah, the safe system in that game is the worst. It's the worst It's I can't believe how bad it is. Sorry. I'm I got so tilted with how The structure fucking what are you talking about? It it's me. I don't want to know like come on astral chain still relevant. Sorry. It's okay

It's just because like While you're in the playthrough. Yeah, it doesn't treat the hq as its own divorced hub world It only does that apparently after new game, right? So like when you're on new game plus you can jump in and out of files. No problem That's not true. That's not true at all No, you can jump in and out of files while you're playing through the story But when you when you're doing that every time you uh, you jump into a file It over it saves over the current slot you're on because it autosaves at the beginning of the file

So it's in a replay save. Yeah, and then you have to do everything from the start of The current file you're on if there's like an hq segment once you return to the present so for example, uh in the mission where you have to introduce yourself to All the rooms and do the little lappy thing. Yeah, right if you if you replay a mission And then jump back to that you have to redo that lappy. So only replay missions in between missions Why are you replaying missions while you're still halfway through a main mission? No, you're you're always In no, no, you can't replay a mission when you're in the city

You can only replay a mission at hq because you have to be at the computer, right? Yeah, but to get to the computer in some cases you have to go through a file introduction sequence, right? So for example, let's say you are I don't know. Well, what chapter you went right now? Um, like nine or ten. Okay So when you you start the chapter and hit start and skip and you're in the hq No, you're not always in that's what i'm trying to say is that that's not okay. Well out of 11 chapters Try out as well. What happened a couple times

Like you're trivializing something that happened to me a bunch of times and it was annoying because I had to keep doing it Right. Yeah. So for example, uh, you're in I don't know a prison and then you have to go through A bunch of you have to skip a bunch of things and then there's like these calls that come up and then you have to you know And and you go through those and then like if i'm replaying multiple things you have to do that every single time Yeah, so get to the next mission where you just start at the beginning I don't understand in the next mission you're standing right next to it But but the but what i'm saying is the one before that

Right or not not the one necessarily before that but i'm like at the point where i'm doing these replays Like I don't know as i'm going through this story how the start of each file is going to go But there's a there's a couple of them where like you have these Things that are in between you and just getting to the next To getting to the computer Yeah And like though and what happened in the case with the lapi one was like you basically had to keep got yet to go And keep redoing this thing and that was that that entire like do the rooms do the introduction all that manual stuff

And it was a massive waste of time and it sucked Sorry because this is that's why I didn't want to get super off sidetrack because it's like I don't know what to tell you I don't mean to trivialize something that happened to you a bunch of times I played like 100 hours of that game. I'd never encountered the situation you're describing So and I what everyone's constant so what everyone tells me is that once you beat it You're golden because you're just in the hq and time is not time is like It's it's almost divorced from time and you can jump in and out of well that is true Right, but like no problem the vast majority of the game you start those missions right next to the computer

There's a there's a bunch of times when you have to go through some nonsense. Yeah, there's the prison segment there's the lapi segment and That's all I can remember I mean I think you just wanted to replay missions in the sequences that Didn't allow you to do that easily and those are the times that you wanted to do it At in two out of 11 missions the the top but it was it's not it's not just those Okay, what else is there? Yeah, like I I'm thinking like because there's the hospital segment You have to go you go to the hospital. That's not there. Um

There was definitely like I I unfortunately my fucking you know There was there was definitely at least uh, uh There's definitely at least one or two Uh beyond those where there was some extra shit at the beginning of the file to skip through and and I just Are you sure? I'm pretty sure But I what I would like Is I feel like that's not true

There's the part where at the beginning of chapter. It's either three or four Lapi will talk to you every time you go in a new room which sucks Uh, and then there's the part where you wake up in the prison and you fucking you you have so there was even one So here so here here. There was even one where um for example That's not those two where like there's the there's like the lapi balloon game for example, right? Yeah, and then you play it

and uh You play it and then I went into A replay. Yeah, I didn't I didn't play it and then run back into a save I ran it. I I did it and then I went back and I did a replay And then when I exited the replay it restarted the file and that game had been undone So because it restarted the file that hq mission

Was like it didn't happen And that like wait, why are you going to replay? In the middle of missions I'm I'm very confused We started the mission, right? It was it was like while we're lp-ing. Yeah, we got we got to uh, the File and also why didn't you save the game? Because I was in still in the middle of playing it because but basically what I'm doing is I'm recording Yeah, and then after that when we're not recording. I'm going back and doing cleanup

Yeah, sure, but I you're describing the situation in which you did a mission and then you didn't save and then you left The mission and when you went back it had no I completed the I completed the the task in hq Yeah, and then went to do a replay. Yeah, did you save the game before you did that? Not manually Then what the fuck is your problem save the game? But like that's the every time you complete a quest in the game outside of those scenarios it auto saves right afterwards Yeah, when you finish the mission Yes, and this in this case I finished the mission not the file the file when no no no no it saves after each mission So when you finish when you're in the middle of a file, this is probably horrible to listen to just save the game

Listen like literally you're you're blaming a save system. Just save the game Let me let me literally tell you the difference between the one i'm talking about Yeah, and the one that happened right when you are in a file, right? Let's say you go do the box lifting sure right and then as soon as that's done That mission is marked on your thing as Completed yeah, and you could even reload the file and it'll stay completed right However upon completing the other one in the hq that i'm talking about yeah that didn't occur So up until that point every time i'm doing a little side mission or a little training thing

I i'm not gonna go do this manual save because it's been auto saving at the end of each of these little side missions Why not we should always save again? But that's not the point the point is the game is auto saving after each one of these automatically And then suddenly there's ones where it doesn't do you know why willy because your ability to like How do you go back to your old files? By like in replay you go to the computer right? And you have to you have the backup file that you create which is absolutely necessary Right, but what should be occurring is the way most games do it is where you have an auto save

Slot separate and then the manual slaves. All right. Let let me let me ask you So in order so when you're out halfway through a chapter and you're in the city When you're in the city like how would you go back and replay old files? Okay, so first of all, uh, I didn't do that at any point right because you can't You have to be at the computer in order to do so if you leave the file Exactly if you leave the file in the middle of the city you lose all that progress What are you talking about so uh, we were we stopped the session In the middle of the city. Uh-huh of mission eight the really really long one. Yeah, and uh, I wanted to go back and do cleanup

But I couldn't because like You're in the middle of mission in the middle of a mission, right? Um, if you it there is an option to return to hq there and it says like oh that'll restart your bullshit Exactly. Okay, right. So what i'm trying to get at here willy. Yeah is the only place that you are running into the problem is because Like the only place you can go back to old files and play them like whatever is in the computer in the hq, right? On that menu there is file select and directly below it is save the game And you are saying that the save file problem in the only area That allows you to just leave willy nilly is a problem even though the save your game thing is right there

The reason auto saves in all those areas is because you can't leave and there's no save point What the game should be doing is anything that's associated to the current time frame you're in the current mission right should be uh, uh Not happening in the same place where you can lose that progress By choosing to go and replace them. I didn't lose a single Progress or wasting your time by having to reload that file in the middle of the story, right? if there was a system save on the level of say like a devil may cry for or

uh, where you have multiple characters that can have different levels of like Whatever progress completion and so on or and like and it's on a system level so that you don't have to worry about uh Going in and wasting your time It would be nice if if it was like you're you're you're being completely ridiculous You're walking up to a terminal that says do you want to go back and play files? The old parts of the game

And you're going yeah, I don't need to save my game Why would I want to safeguard the file that I have right now? No, I have the option is literally right there They were right next to each other. Yes. I've been I've been saving it like like adamantly, especially now. It's like adamantly but the The point that that happened to me at was one where after completing something in the hq Where every other blue and red mission in the game? Auto saves as soon as you get that result screen and in these cases It doesn't yeah because it's right next to a save point and right next to the file select system

This is really clear The fact that I don't game is right underneath go back to old files I I don't know how to describe it any other way than to say that I have been playing the game Where most of the time when I do a blue and a red dot yeah upon completion it auto saves Yeah, therefore I went okay cool And I don't know how to explain it to you other in any other way that when I look go into a menu And it says save the game on it. Yes. I always save the game. Okay. That's fine

But you're you're ignoring the part where the same information Changes suddenly and certain moments. Yes, because in those sequences you can go to file select and leave But you're not you're not you're ignore you're still ignoring it What I'm saying is that there is a consistent piece of information in the game No, well the point is that it's not consistent and this area this area is different And it is communicated to you that it is different and you chose to not do the only thing that you would obviously do It's communicated to you in the same way because it's still a red or a blue mission The only difference is now is that you're it's happening

inside the hub And it's and so hub missions are different and like the entire time I've been playing the game It's been uh, not a thought because I know that once I finish one of these side missions. It's done But here it wasn't right and this is this is not even the the the core fucking repetition thing But it's just like That was the thing that I was like wait. I already did that it didn't autosave here That's weird. It autosaves everywhere else Before you go before in any so I know before you go back to an earlier section

You should always save your game that is like the most obvious thing in the world And that's why they put that save game icon right underneath file select on that computer Just save your game. Yes Yes, ultimately in the end. Yes It doesn't change the fact that it could be more clear By not making the same system Not do this thing that it's been doing the rest of the time. I know that it's there on the menu. I know I'm not ignoring that

but The rest of the time you're playing the game Nine out of ten of those missions. Yeah are things that you're not thinking about After you're done them because you know, it's just registered and it's it's you know that it autosaves. Yeah, but So so if there wasn't why if there was a file select system in those missions It would also be Paired with I'd save the game annually system But the fact that there wasn't led me to continue playing the game in that way

Right. I did what I did most of the time, which is complete the save keep playing Oh, sorry complete the the complete the side mesh keep playing right after a file after the file introduction Get to the computer do the manual save right? Um And uh In one of the cases It was really weird and and there's one case that like I think I think is definitely something that I fucked up But or I'm not sure what happened, but I did that same lappy thing And I did some legion leveling right and then lost that too and I was like what was that about?

So that I'm not a hundred percent sure that I think and not even to just get sidetracked by that but uh, the core point here is for me is that The thing that the system used for the majority of the game and continues to use for the majority of the game is uniquely different in an instance and There's also an autosave when you move from one sequence to the next. So when you leave the hq, there's an autosave. Yes and in fact, you're you're uh

I didn't realize you were locked Into that. So when I resumed I didn't realize when I resumed the the city point that it would not Start over from uh It was only I'm rewarding this incorrectly Uh, I thought I'd be how I'd be able to go back to the computer You know in in the middle of like at completing certain objectives. Yeah, and then go back and switch. No, you're locked in all the way You're locked in all the way. Um, ultimately more freedom is nice, right? This is kind of like It it almost feel I don't know why it worked out this way

And I and I think it might be because they wanted you to go back and possibly switch to the boy or the girl and then Uh continue to not miss content Because if you were to switch and then all the hq cut scenes were already watched Then you would never see them again with the unique dialogue for the other sibling, right? So I think that might be part of it or if it's anything like what happened in qa when I was on, um Thief there was a save structure system that uh was Inside each mission that was like

It it just it was it was bad. It was basically it was a really bad system where there was a There was a system level save then there was an inside that system level save there were subsaves And those subsaves. Oh, that seems awkward right away. Yeah very much so And then uh, like those system level saves and subsaves were like interacting with each other in really weird bad ways And then when you uh mix it up with profiles On each console it became a nightmare, right? so I don't know what or how

this came to be like this, but one thing is for sure is like Dear god, I I really do wish that like you didn't have to like load a file to then Uh, I didn't I wish it didn't have to play out the file as if you hadn't done any of these things The game needs a way better cut scene skip option. Um And jumping into the replays into the different sections of the mission is Really is is it's nice that that that exists and it's nice that you can quit once you do one of those side missions Yeah

To come back to the present But it really but it's annoying that every time you return to the present it acts like you hadn't seen it already Right, it would be much nicer if you just return to the computer that you were standing at when you load it in Yeah, and resumed from that point. There's a there's a there's a button in 14 That you can hit that just goes have you seen this cut scene skip it Which you can toggle on and off. Yeah, which is really appreciated. Yeah I um, I would like it for more games to have that in general and and in fact I would I would even go as far as to say that it's like

it's weird from just a like um Player continuity point of view in terms of game design to have my character walk up to the computer Load an old mission do a do a thing that I already did. Yeah, and then not exit the computer to resume what I was doing I get that like that's what my brain expects because that's not canon It it's I guess you know And that's what you would expect of a replay system in a game here and here it's not doing it here You're going into the computer and you're you're traveling back in time setting time and then you you're done resetting time

so you go back to As if you never went into yeah, no that part's weird. You're completely right. I just all in all I'm just like this this really sucks man. Um, I fucking hate a lot of that and some of all right I think we can I think we can leave that alone. No, I think we can reach a consensus here Yeah, uh, it should auto save all the time if it auto saves any time it should auto save all the time But in like but also if you see the save game thing you gotta hit it because games are inconsistent often weird and and and your habit of it's not just your habit It's like the the rotate your saves always save all right. That's ironically enough

I fucking completely forgot to save my game in ff7 after a stream last week and the whole stream is gone so I gotta redo it so, uh like things that you have as safety measures like guard against These types of situations by being paranoid about your saves sure

But the reason why you have to be paranoid about your saves is because of games like this So that are not considerate enough with this system. This this brings us easily back to indivisible because I was like, why would we be confused about his save game rotation? And then I used it and got super confused Okay, so that wasn't just me. It's so That wasn't just me Because like I saved it and everyone's like look it rotates. I'm like, what are you talking about? It's right there. It's just the same save because I didn't realize to hit left and right on it Yeah, so I didn't I didn't I didn't catch that either. That was really bizarre

So it's like every so the game tells you it's like you can save over the same slot There's over 200 and I was like, but where is it? Yeah, you know and then in the beginning and like and for the first couple of uh, uh, uh episodes You're gonna see me just go rotating down the list because I'm like, uh, where'd it go? You said it with auto rotate Yeah, and it's unloading you press left and right and then you see you go. Oh god damn it. All right You know what I guess it's still amazing though I guess if I like

If I would need to sum up my thoughts on indivisible in a fair way It's like that story did not grab me at all because it is just going so fast And it seems to have very little weight Because of it. So with the story not grabbing me an rpg. That's usually a death sentence right away. Right. Okay and After that it's the kind of thing. It's like I want to customize my party. I want to make decisions I want to learn skills. I want to but it's not that kind of game. Okay, and so every like it's this kind of thing It's like because of the the framing

I keep I keep going in this place of like, well, when am I going to get the stuff? What am I gonna and the answer is never because it's not that type of thing And so I'm left with a combat system that I'll be honest. I don't like valkyrie profiles combat system I don't like this game's combat system. Okay. Well, that's I don't like it I don't care about juggling it at a certain point. You should have put that up on the on the hypothesis. Yeah Or the thesis statement at a certain point. It doesn't matter what I'm doing. I'm gonna I'm gonna auto I'm gonna I'm gonna parry every single thing and I'm gonna learn the juggle with the create with the party that I have And at that point it is no different than

Just hitting attack or command or fire or whatever Okay, so Yeah, you're not liking the valkyrie profile combat system again is that that's a That that matters to the discussion Um, but what I would say is in terms of the story part of what you said in the beginning there Uh, to me, right things were moving and the pay the pace was pretty fucking fast Uh, the fact that I you you get so many characters to in your party like very quickly very very quickly Yeah, and it throws them generously at you. Um

I I like right so As far as that goes like right now. I'm like uh, platforming I like I like the battle system and I like the characters and the story I'm still waiting on its Expansion right. Yeah, so So You're making the judgment call that you're like this You bounced off of it. You're like, I don't care about what you've said so far and I expected this to already be somewhere

Yeah, I'm looking at it like well so far. I like these characters. Let's see where it goes That's the weirdest thing and that's why I'm not the story Having that equipment so fast in some respects, but it's also so slow in other respects And that's the part that's really throwing me off. It's like Get the town out of the way like within 10 minutes Establish the villain and meet the villain and fight the villain within an hour. So and then but then just So traveling I guess well then that picks back up and then there's some other stuff but like there's so there's so far there's been two like

uh Big group conversations with a person who knows stuff That have like expanded a little bit more into the the world and the backstory and and azna and stuff And uh I was like, okay cool. You're setting something up like to me. There's a conversation like the first one happens after So you fought you fought that that baddie, right? And then there's another fall work. Yeah, right. There's a follow-up um

and then after that you get uh There's a like I said a moment of exposition, right? Um, and then Later on you hit the town you meet somebody. There's another moment of exposition To me those are setting up the dominoes Right. I'm like, okay. You're not you're starting to talk about what this is all about So I'm not at the point of writing it off because to me I'm still just waiting on where it's going So that's that's the weirdest thing is like usually in a game that moves fast like this the dominoes would be set up By now because we're not spending time establishing

Or we would be spending all of our time establishing And we wouldn't even see the dominoes yet, right? So like I've learned to to to Set my patience expectations way by the wayside when playing uh Anything that is An rpg. So let me let me let me point out to like wildly different examples, right? ff7, right?

sephroth only becomes like a fucking Problem after after midgar, right? Like you leave midgar and then you go through flashback, right? And but like the story is midgar and that is all set up. That is what order these characters like What is the setting like yada yada and that's like what five six hours? That's it's a bit, right? on the other hand you have something like dragon's dogma, which is like Dragon shows up in your town and stabs you dragon's dick, right? You leave your town within 30 minutes, right? Yeah similar to indivisible But then you are like, okay step one gotta get to the city to talk to the duke about the dragon step two

Okay, investigate the shit and it's just like goal right away And I feel like indivisible is halfway in between the two I mean you're also comparing indivisible to ff7 Um, yeah, well, I could use a different game if you wanted. That's just the one that I'm playing right now Like I could use Legend of the Gaia. Do you even know what that game is? I know Legend of the Gaia. Really? Okay, that game's cool right, don't fucking

What it's an obscure ps1 rpg The only reason you would know about it is because the obscure ps1 rpg that has fighting game combat Is that why you know about it? No, pat, but sure anyway, you just started this conversation saying you don't play a lot rpg I know but I know what it is. I've been around enough to know what it is You want to talk about threads of fate you want to talk about fucking? Yeah, I've played that dragoon. What do you want? Anyway, yeah, that's what I don't know, but like that's a fate success No, I'm saying I'm saying when you go to even know what that is you sound like a dick

That's what I'm saying like fucking started the conversation saying I don't play many of these games It is not outrageous for me to to not Assume that you know of more obscure versions of these in a genre that you don't play Okay, but I've never done that to you with like a fighting game or something else that like I've you should I don't know half the shit you talk about Because like you've clearly heard of the shit even if you haven't spent time with it in most cases from you All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right I don't know what half of those fucking games you played on fucking is fine

I guess we're I think the the likelihood of anyway It's fine And also I phrase are like, oh wow, I didn't think you would know about that. No, I caught that as I caught that as like Do you even know what that is in you know, like, oh, yeah pat being a dick. That's what you do That's your thing. I wouldn't think your thing is being a dick anyone to know what about legend logaya Okay, because that game is subpar well, this is

It's not even relevant, but um the the the what is relevant is the fact that like I'm Waiting on the story. I didn't do that. I didn't do the write-off on that and like um, something that I think Yeah, I I always get these reminders of just like I I used to have an expectation of games pacing game the pacing of games to be quick. Yeah, because uh Remember as well that I didn't play rpgs as a kid not just for religious reasons

But because of the fucking single player shit. All right. Yeah, so there's all that we miss right camp Oh, I didn't even think of that first. So the long form Is something that came along later to me, right? It came along later to me in my expectations of how stories would unfold. Yeah, and I super appreciated it when games that were not Still had the long form. I I I grew to really appreciate it when fucking Metal Gear took its time Yeah, you know that shit was awesome. So you know what this reminds me of The yakuza series had flip flops between this

There's games in which within 20 minutes somebody gets shot right in front of you and then there's yakuza 4 in which like Fucking nothing is going on in that game for like Two three hours and those cutscenes are slow. They are like so. How do you know when something is Slow building and when nothing is going on you don't Well, okay, if it's if it's a long-running series, let's be real if it's a long-running series Then you would have an idea, right?

But let's take yakuza 4 right or even yakuza 0 right those start with lots of cutscenes lots of like slow dialogue between Like mostly middle-aged Japanese guys sitting in rooms, right? And Takes forever to get anywhere, right? The difference is is that the directing on those scenes and the voice acting on those scenes was riveting to me And the like you played a little bit of judgment, right? Like there's a real Feel to the way that shit's directed

The the voice acting in Indivisible is fine Like everybody seems to be well acted, but I don't care about the tone either And it's it is just talking heads. It is just character sprite Blah blah blah There's no nothing going on other than dialogue And I find the dialogue to be boring Like I don't like razz me being an exception

And I will say there is one thing that Indivisible does that I wish more games did And that is dar Dar is the best part of Indivisible. It's very fascinating that they set it up To be like you're stuck with your villain. Yeah, dar is the best part Because it allows every person in your party To listen to what he says for a couple seconds and they go shut the fuck up. Yeah. Yeah But the like dark every time that happened I smiled Yes, but that was pretty much the only interesting part of the dialogue

There's a second thing that's interesting about that which is like, you know, what is What do you believe redemption should be? Yeah, right? What would it take? How do you write a wrong etc? Jamie Lannister. Yeah, um, but uh Yeah, the fuck dar crew is alive and well It's amazing and dar is the first member of the fuck dar crew. So that's important to recognize but anyway, um You're saying something just before yeah, it's just the the the dialogue and the way it's very flat Yeah, I was gonna say so I was gonna say that like I remember when I was starting out front mission 3

Right and I was this is a good pick for this discussion. You're super right right away and I was like Is this wasting time or is this building things? Yes Yes, and How do you feel about this the dialogue in that game is really weird and it's because it's translated badly but So and it takes so long and it's set. It's talking about Wildly it's talking about global politics and it's and then you can spend more time in the internet You can spend so much time in that internet. Okay. So so now

So when you when you approach things like that, right? Like and here's the problem for me, right? Because it's It is that is you nailed it. It depends and it's a synthesis, right? I am so much more interested in going to the fucking Tokugawa heavy manufacturing website and reading data about vonzer Weight differentials that I am about anything ajna has to say Okay, like and I don't like at the core of it. I don't like ajna

So and again, that's an important thing to put up the top. So pat like At the end of the day, it really does just sound to me that the reason why you don't like indivisible Just because you don't like it. It's what it's why I started this and at the very beginning is like I don't think indivisible is a bad game. In fact, I think it's a good game I just think that I hate everything about it. Okay, because what I get postured to be like You are now fighting a debate for Why indivisible is shit? And or why it is not I think the story and then I and then I'm like coming to the podium and going

The only thing that I say that I think is bad about indivisible is the story. I think the story is bad But ultimately like Because like I said It's to me to me What you've seen so far. Yeah, right and to me. I'm like what I've seen so far is just I would be astonished if the story somehow changed completely into a much better story from what I had seen I'm it's to me. I'm just like it's just way too early I I'm like straight up just like waiting to see what comes together

In the long form, you know, that's just that and like What's there to me? I'm like, that's fine. It didn't bother me. I don't know man. I feel like but but but but but but we're getting off We're doubling back the point I was getting to was more that Uh, it's not even about it gets better or doesn't or whatever. It's more so just like You didn't like it because you you didn't like it. Yeah, right and like That is the easiest and most clear and like that's how I like to come at things when I'm Going about it and I'll break down the reasons why and whatnot but like again, it still brings us back to the point where I'm like

Yes, but like the things I was doing were things I love. Yeah, so It's there was there. I didn't run into an opportunity to like Miss something I was comparing it to In the sense that like what I was doing there was enjoyable and when I felt like Like slowing down for a second. I'm like, let me just jump into the inner realm. Go talk to some people Right, go see what see if the the NPC dialogue is updated And I love the idea of taking your town with you. I think that's a cool idea Um, but that was and that and that's that's to me is like when I feel like slowing it down

I'll jump in there and see what's going on And then also there's a training mode you get Which is super key. Uh later on that Let's you actually practice How to put together your combos and like what works and what doesn't work and how to time shit out with the characters you have I wish that was just in there when you started the game. Don't disagree Uh Getting it was a was a game changer getting the training mode made a huge difference in

By the way, the the the number one reason why I don't like the combat is I don't care about making combos Like I that that that gameplay means nothing to me. It is it is it is annoying Wow, okay, because to me it was like when you got a boss. That's a combo educator uh adjudicator, excuse me, uh that like It was like, yeah, you got to get damage in by Yeah, continuously keeping this combo going. I thought that was rad if I had one character I would my mind would be different. Did you play an amco x capcom? Yeah, I played a bunch of it Did you like that combat system? Uh, I liked it for a bit

And then uh, I stopped liking it and then further more down with project project cross zone. Yeah. Yeah, like you like I liked it Uh, the first time I saw everyone's move. Yeah, and then after that it was annoying Okay, because it was like I just just hit the fucking guy. Yeah, I like the juggles I I dig it and then I like timing the blocks in the parries Mm-hmm, and I like choosing how to spend my meter, which is weird because I you know what I really adore Is the mario superstar games that we talked about last week. Yep. I love those things But then I'm thinking like what do you actually do all of those are singular like you choose to jump You do it once it's like bam and that that's the engagement or something goes to attack you

And you defend against it once everything else I just it ironically enough the combo stuff in indivisible feels like fluff to me See it's to me. That's it's not because it's like It's enough twitch, which I like. Yeah, and it's not like full-on. Yeah feels it's pretty light Because like full-on twitch is your character action games, right? This is not asking that. No Right. Um, so you're then I guess setting your expectations for the exact opposite. Yeah, which is menu I arrows. Yeah and and

well not necessarily but like just options like actual options and for me going into training and fucking around with ashna's different strings And and realizing okay, if I do this into that into that I get this Which then allows me to have just enough time to bring in this character is set up, right? So you get the explosion pop up and then when they're bouncing off the explosion you call in tangar He does his down attack that gets the juggle in time

Then after you get in tangar on the juggle you can come back in with um, um Captain america's neutral shield. Yeah, and uh Try to try to pick it up But neutral would pick it up low would miss so I'm lapping out so that part of it And I'm I'm having fun with I just created like a like a continuum in my mind of uh rpg news air quotes here battle systems in terms of speed And all the way on the left you have pure turns, right? You have personified you have f of 10 You have turn based right all the way on the right. You have complete pure action

Which I would say yakuza or tails games, right? Indivisible is dead center There aren't turns But you do have to wait Yes, right active battle right it's atb. I hate atb. Yeah, so this is atb, right? um, and now the parts where, um You would be like choosing when to use an item or

Um Like the strategies that you're using in a traditional rpg sense in this case like You can practice by Improving your execution. Mm-hmm. You know Which is the departure that's where it's like that's not very rpg at all. No, right? Um But usually rpg improvement comes with knowledge instead of execution. Exactly, right? Uh Uh But but well like here. I'm like you sprinkled in something that like I really love

So like that flavoring is not a taste that I'm gonna spit out of my mouth It's funny because it's like when I play fighting games like I don't care about combos either Like just I just want to do one big hit over and over Like even not a marvel fenn even no not a marvel fenn. I don't care. Yeah, so so like we're we're like we're we're like Because we can we can translate the same argument. It's just because like Think about like I don't have you noticed that I just don't enjoy fighting games Dude, I don't know but I don't enjoy fighting games that don't have big slow characters because There's nothing in that that appeals to me. Yeah, you don't want to put in the you know, I get I yeah, yeah

And like you and like you're playing you know blades greatest fighting game. Now. Here's the thing right? I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna. I'm not even gonna rip you an asshole and you asshole over that because Uh, I like playing Reinhardt in overwatch You don't want to rip me the asshole. I don't want to rip you an asshole the first one. I need one. You know, oh, okay Um, you would take it away if you had the choice. I would you're um, I'm not gonna fucking Take you to task over that because I like shooters. I like playing turning to me the guy who's not a shooter In overwatch, yeah, right? So I'm like I want to participate in this

With a character that you've given me the option to do that So what we're just gave you an option with characters that don't need to do so what we're describing is that genre tastes are not actually genre tastes they're just different flavors of Overall more specific personal taste perhaps Perhaps but in this case that whole genre taste is indivisible Because it's it's the core of what you're supposed to come back to the death combat is going to ask you to do those combos No matter who's on your team, right? There's nobody that jumps in and pulls up An rpg menu. Yeah, right. There's characters like, uh, uh, ginseng

where they are able to use their normals to buff the other abilities they have but um But that's the equivalent of like selecting You know heal on a menu or um

Whatever it's called mind charge focus. Yeah concentrate, right If that's the equivalent, yeah, so but it's just done in the combat system Then finding out as well that like the way juggles I didn't even get to finish what I was saying about that labbing shit But like you find out that like where how far the enemy is Changes like what you can set up and what you can juggle and in some cases you can put traps down Oh man, you are just like You're making me like dislike the game

So you you can put traps down and then they're poisoned on that spot This sounds awful and or activate when they're on that spot like there's a whole active timing thing in play that has More going on than just the surface You're you're yes, you're pressing those buttons and sending in each character But like to get optimized juggles to get optimized meter and to get good damage You actually piece all these things together. Oh my god. I hate everything you're talking about So much fun. Like I hate it so much It's like all the depth is going in a direction that I don't want

But yet you do like twitch games and you do like games that are not active time battle as well. Absolutely, but when I play Say like a dmc Like trap stuff is poison to me And and the reason that I like nero the best is that nero has the ability to move the enemy as close To me as possible so I don't have to care about their position But do you remember how we were worried about v? Yeah, and then how he turned out to be not just fine, but fantastic incredible. Yeah, like There's something to that

Where like this is not the standard But this different way of approaching it. Yeah, I know I'm just saying a whole lot of the very specific Elements that you're describing are the things that I actually hate Like having to change combos based on character distance sucks It's setups suck. Yeah, it takes more effort than none at all Yeah, I'd rather do a longer combo than one that has to change You can still do the the other version of the combo that doesn't take distance into account But if you want to go further now, you have to do the optimized one

No, you don't have to do the optimized one If you want to push it further you can do a bread and butter You can just jump in there and go down neutral up for everybody and not think about it but if you want To yield better rewards Then you take a minute to learn how the system wants you to play And realize that if you max act in between each swing You can actually get more style and damage in

on each Compare DMC to the I'm just saying that it's optional. It's optional. You don't have to you don't have to go there on it It's but it's there and it's not the It's I'm not saying it's totally different genres and their focus is completely different It's a singular point of optional depth and it's not to say that indivisible is a fucking Drill to the center of the earth in depth

It's but it's not a kiddie pool either You know, there's something in in terms of everything that's not the combat Yeah, the depth is totally a kiddie pool and I like thinking about I like thinking about that extra bit in the combat I like think I have I like having that little element to and the differences that ever all that fluff that you described in the The gear and the levels and all that that is the stuff that I like to think about and it's Very absent. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. There's times when I'm staring at the

Uh, the abilities in astral chain and my eyes are just Gile street fighters. Yeah, the the the the slottable ones is one step too far and I'm like, okay I'm blinking And then later on it's like, oh, but you get three slots. You get a parry and I'm like, okay Well, I guess I'm getting three slots. Yeah. Well, that's gonna change what legion learning. I'm gonna do. Yeah, right um I really can't say enough good things about nears chips because I think nears chips were way better than astral chains Equivalent nears chips are the best thing. Yeah nears nears chips are actually my favorite

I would agree because they're all of it combined. Yeah, it's all combined. It's simple and it's easy to tell exactly How much each chip takes and how valuable they all are. Okay now on the specific of consumables. Let's just be real Let's just be real Personally, I fucking hate them. They do nothing for me. I'm never going to use them All it is is need a phoenix down drop a phoenix down need a magic mirror drop a magic There's a really good, uh, there's a really good video about this by I think I named razz bouton About why he doesn't use consumables in games and there's two types There's hey use an antidote because you're poisoned a reactive type which is setting you back to zero

Right. It's like, hey, my character's berserk use the echo, you know, whatever, right? And then there's active items which is improve your attack for 10 set and nobody uses those Now as a kid when I'd get fucking x accuracy and ignore it Like turns out I'm an idiot for for not paying attention to that shit But I that's the sit that I'm like I so if you tell me that there's a game comes along and it's just like, yeah We don't have those I don't fucking mind. Yeah, I don't need a giant list of items, dude The items doesn't really bother me. It's the lack of any itemization of any kind, you know, like like

Like items all and I mean because it's current I guess we're just gonna go back to it because it's the other game I'm playing right now But all the items in astral chain all the consumables on the healers and temp high healing Yeah, there's too much Right, but it's like at the end of the day all the entire item list means to me is a button to heal my health Yep, same here, right? And whether it's the big or the small like I don't give a fuck about too many the batteries I don't give a fuck about the grenades. I don't give a fuck about any of that shit and in a lot of these cases now

Uh, I would say that like even in games like persona. Yeah, right I only care about a fraction of those. I care about the ones that give me more sp So I should I care about the shields the when I say itemization. I don't mean go to item. I mean All the whole yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, but I'm specifically referring to the concept of having an items list in your in your rpg, right? Or you're or you're not rpg for that matter. This is something I do not miss. I do not miss consumables consumables can go die Right on that specific note. Yeah, um, I would be very Very inclined to agree with you When when but like yeah, but on the rest of it when like, you know, you remember how I was

Glowing about the fact that it's like, yeah, you get a new character. Here's your screen for them But then you're not going into, uh You know, you're not equipping them with See, I got really excited when I heard that from you and then I got to the screen and there's two problems that I have of the screen One, there's not enough on the screen There's not enough on the screen. Like it doesn't tell you everything, right? Uh, and two the wording of their super thing is so fucking confusing Because it says, uh, when I got jinseng

It took me like half an hour to figure out what the fuck it was trying to tell me Because what it actually says is use his one in order to Search for bigger items And I'm reading it like what does that mean use his one? Yeah Because I'm reading it like it's a MOBA or an action game And what you're what you're missing is the legend of like what that is and it's his level one Yeah, and it's totally like that and and it was literally, um, I was reading it over

And over and I'm like a single letter or word in this sentence would make it so much clearer It's the same time. It's the same. It's the first time someone sees a dpz Yeah input on a on a on a fighting game input thing and goes like what is that? But um Yeah, why does mike z hate move those? I just think I just think there's uh, the the the sound of the post that was made about the changes incoming Sounded like there were way more pressing matters that needed urgent attention Then they should have delayed it I I can't say I'm not on the dev team, dude, you know, um, but uh

God there was um, shit. Fuck. I was trying to remember the thing and it's gone Yeah Well, anyway, there is one last thing I want to say about indivisible and it is a unique situation with me and it's indiegogo I want to say kickstarter right but and that is After I put it down. I was like, yeah, I'm listening. I'm just trying to remember. I didn't really I didn't really care for that That's weird I then remembered a bunch of stuff that I had forgotten about its campaign

and the thing that I forgot Was that when everybody but me Was going super hard on it when I originally looked at it. I went I don't really like valkyrie profile. This game doesn't look that good. I mean, I like lab zero and And the game looks gorgeous, but this doesn't seem like the kind of thing that would interest me But then everybody got hyped and there was the big push and like I'll do my part I'll kick in 75 bucks because I want everybody to be happy and all that stuff And then, you know, that happened and then the game kind of, you know

Brass tax development and it kind of resurfaced about a year and a half ago and it's getting shown off and it looks really gorgeous And I'm like, oh, yeah indivisible. Yeah, everybody's excited for that But I literally forgot that I was not excited about it. Right. Okay. Because I had backed it Not out of charity, but like those guys do good work and then I wanted to see the next thing from them Yeah, but I remember I now look back and like, oh, yeah, I didn't like the pitch at all Like I should have I should have known this I should have known how I was gonna feel about the game. I don't even I don't even remember like four years ago I don't even remember you talking about that

I remember talking about that way back because everybody but me is like we got to do our part to save indivisible At like right and push it super hard and I remember saying it doesn't matter this game's gonna fail It's not it's not gonna reach us. Wow. That's fucking Jesus, but I shut my mouth donated my money. Okay, and then pushed for it anyway I couldn't do the holy you don't remember you were like very upset that I was like, oh, it's gonna fail. Anyway, you Yeah, well, I don't remember because yeah, I'm upset now, but like God fuck you, um What?

I put my money where my mouth wasn't I I know I know I know I remember kicking in I kicked in 75 bucks and my thought was this game's gonna fail. Anyway, so what does it even matter? I'm not gonna lose 70 That that that's just that's that's so gritting From like every time you find you know because you're smiling, you know exactly what I'm a little baffled as to why this is happening You're not baffled at all. You know exactly you get it. You're doing it Uh, but it didn't so why are you upset? It's succeeded. You're playing it right now Because it's the thing

That you do when you go This endeavor is completely pointless. Don't even do it. Yeah to start with and It applies to other stuff as well where I'm just like, no, it's worth the endeavor and you're like, no, it's not it's gonna fail And I just go like god. Fuck you then it will watch it work. I hate that. I fucking hate that every time right sometimes. I'm not Giving up is an important skill to learn and and and putting that in k on in situations and

Blah When that applies to things that you're excited about slash are passionate about Slash are like working to fucking like it sucks. Yeah, and I do it to myself too Okay, but that's why then fuck you think every time I see a virtual fighter article pop up. I go Yay. Oh no, I go. No, that's not gonna be it But the reason why the term success is the best revenge exists is for people like you dude I I'm the I personally am the most biggest believer of success is the best revenge Exactly. So when you that when you say that to someone that's trying to do the thing

You better believe that they're like, but here's here's the part that I don't get Follow me here I would think that me at saying and recounting this past thing would not make you go Ah, it would make you be empowered and like fuck you you won. You defeated me and my apathy Right because you totally won I was super wrong It's it's the place it's coming from is that I'm thinking about or I'm just like god You don't even see the the potential of what was cool back then You don't even see the potential for what could be fun about that. You know, well, I mean for me

That's what I'm thinking about. I'm put I'm time traveling with for me. I'm time traveling with your sentence like For me my my my guess about my interest in it ended up being accurate But for everybody else it was not I guess because a lot of other people are enjoying I guess, you know and I mean like Like if you were just some fucking other piece of shit asshole out there With a voice in the wind. Yeah, like you're just another fart Then it would be very easy to just be like whatever Look what happened to you ha ha. Yeah, right? But because I I know your thought process

Yeah, and and whatnot. This is where I go. Oh, this is the part of your brain that I fucking just don't It's so it's just interfacing with that side of it is just like it's like a brick wall, you know I'm an alternative crazy optimist and pessimist. What can I say? So that's it, right? If I if I knew you less And if your word Well, your word doesn't matter you fucking but but if if if the shit you say was not in my immediate fucking vicinity It would be different

But it's not so there's that and that same attitude is 100% you're hearing the the volume Is attached to things that are not individual You're hearing a volume attached to things that had you in that same fucking space. Yeah on other shit We're like I did that about god Fuck you that about once a year maybe once every six months, you know, and that's what some people go. Yeah, you know what? I'll show him. Yeah, right. That's and sometimes they do and sometimes they do and I give them their props when that is the case I mean, I was super wrong indivisible. I obviously succeeded the games out People are enjoying it tighten up your fucking podcast mic as you talk into it on this podcast

Tighten it up. What's wrong with it? Nothing This pod. Oh, yeah. No, I I originally did this thing we're doing right now. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on My big argument was I didn't want to broadcast the podcast live because I'd be uncomfortable I I absolutely when you said, hey, let's do a podcast. I was like, yeah, absolutely. Let's do a podcast Doing a podcast would be a great idea It was the live component that I argued against and then you successfully convinced me because I was being a dumbass It was both bad. No was not. It was both. Absolutely not. That is fucking nonsense I absolutely pushed for this podcast as soon as you said the idea

There was There was resistance earlier. There was a resistance that I had to fight against the resistance earlier that resistance stuck with me in doing it No, listen, I remember exactly how it went down. The resistance earlier was like, how do you make money on a podcast instead of a youtube video? And then you came to me and said, hey, my buddy told me that there's a way to make money off podcasts I went really let's do a podcast. That's a great idea. Wally It was more like to what ends how much what does it do? Yeah, but you know in the end it was like

It was one of those things that was like, oh that'll never work. You know what I can sum this whole And I'm like really it'll never work Let's go fucking make it work then. Okay, you know, and you and then I said, oh, yeah, you're right. It'll totally work And you were and that's why it's your podcast I'm guest starring I don't know man according to that that that that picture with that one time that person made Like I don't know why woolly tries to control the podcast. Oh my god. That made me laugh so hard It's matt and patch show. He's just guest starring in it

It's woolly's podcast It was woolly's idea and he pushed for it. It's his podcast It's the fucking funniest thing ever Oh Oh, no, why don't you tighten up your podcast mic, sir Your pop guard fell down my pop guard my mental pop. Oh, no my mental pop guard fell. Oh, no I need a fucking Listen, listen, this is advice for people that are like me. I am a stubborn person. Yes

I am a strong willed stubborn Person and when I am stubborn, I am annoying hard-headed hard-headed, right? Uh, uh, uh, bullheaded even like just fucking Why why you like this the most important thing About being somebody that can be hard-headed and stubborn and occasionally Occasionally unreasonable popping off, right? Yeah, I see is That when somebody has you dead to fucking rights And you were super wrong

You have to tell them that they were right That's the you've known people that are just as hard-headed as me. Yeah, but then they go And whatever because that's in the middle of this discussion It occurred to me that we're having this discussion on a live Streamed podcast. That's correct. Yeah, it did occur to you and you yeah, you were right Okay Now obviously me going well, you were totally right. I should have listened to you That doesn't feel as good as me being a smart ass in the background

Felt bad, but it's something Success is the best revenge. It is. It's a good revenge Christ I remember people in high school telling me that I was a fucking nerd and video games wouldn't matter for shit Look at me now. I lost all my hair. Well, I still got the sides, but Yeah, you see I don't get to do that because you're sitting right there You're on the fucking thing. Oh, hey, what's up? I got to sell my assailant. Oh, yeah If I if I sailed my podcast away, yeah, and you had to sit on the fucking shore that'd be different Oh, it's different, but you're on the fucking boat. Hey, man. What's up? Is podcast good this week?

The same shit old man That was fucking spitting on the boat and and and try to fish an expedition bullshit Trying to drill holes in it. Yeah is now on the fucking boat as it sails Hey, what's up? It's a good boat here. I'm glad I helped. Uh, I helped get the wood for it We we really need to take a quick word. Yeah, let's say a quick word for my sponsors even if the thoughts are done and you know

I mean look man, I knew we were going to talk about indivisible and I knew that from the get go Like it was going to be a drastic difference of opinion because every time but but here's here's guess what? Uh, woolly's garbage at defending things he likes because it's easier to hate things It is because when you hate things You can just rip apart and you can have and say that that was not good Yeah, right But when you point to something and say that is good then people can go no, that's not good Here are examples of things that are better. It's really really hard to like something

It's also a comment and I know that I'm not Especially in the moment. I'm always I'm definitely more articulate After the fact with more time in I'm really bad at a lot of these things and I'm trying and I like I have to stop And think about every sentence So when I'm getting like five things and I'm starting I'm trying to break each one apart I'm super garbage at like the instant rebuttal because I don't have that in my repertoire It reminds me of uh, you remember a couple weeks ago. We're talking about oh man. This is so dumb, but I love it A lot of people took that as a kind of deflection

of so that we didn't have to say that we unironically enjoyed something because completely flat Straightforwardly enjoying something that might have flaws is often seen as dumber Or stupider. Yes, then tearing something down for having flaws. Yeah I'd like to say that's actually totally not what is happening when we're saying it's dumb. It's like no We like a really specific tone that is like almost nonsensical Um and to get but I but that ties into what you're saying. It's like, yeah You know, it's way easier to tear shit down then then defend or build stuff up

Yeah, and and I mean that's the that's the that's the engine that feeds the internet Yeah, you know like it is how it moves forward. Um, but Like the top 10 worst waifus right here. So at the so at the end of the day like like uh, uh When I like even when I come at something, you know that like someone else likes or whatever at the end like I personally knowing that Right, all I can ever really go on is like The to me part of it. That makes sense, right? Um

And and I try to like hold on to that as much as possible because I think that's that's fair Right and in the case I can't take your personal feelings away And in the in the case of like yeah in the case of indivisible where I'm just like god damn I love everything about this. It's almost like it was tailor-made It is it is very very clearly tailor-made to people It's almost like it came from the minds of a group of people that shared the same interests. Yeah, almost, you know Almost um, so when I'm getting hit with that fucking like ooh that That crack right there like yes

Loving that what would like can't wait to get to the next and um you know And you're talking and you're missing absent content that like I never miss. Yeah, and in fact in many cases like lament its inclusion then Uh, it's no wonder. I'm going to enjoy myself. Yeah, right And the last thing I wanted to say before we actually get to that bit because I just remembered now finally it came back yes, is that

um The what I hate about this type of discussion and the fact that I like the first thing that I always fucking go to Is the fighting game thing because I feel like I'm becoming like a cartoon character of a human being That literally become pretty funny in the past literally only knows one genre of game and nothing else. Yeah, that's all there is too, right? Um, and it's like, you know, it's just the one that I'm the most passionate about and know the most about right Well, maybe tetris or something like that. I don't know probably probably not but um But like what ends up happening here is like as a result so like even with a moment like the You know legend of the guy and stuff like that

I'm kind of like when something does these things that I'm not used to it doesn't always mean I hate them I hate consumables. Yeah, right, but I don't hate traditional RPGs In fact, I've loved a ton of them and like when I talk about it when I look at a game like lost odyssey Where I'm like that is the most Like that's old-fashioned. It's old-fashioned with the freshest skin. Yeah, right that is uh, uh, What do you call those cars where? It's an old Fucking you know what I mean? It's like a car from the fucking 70s

But they got it and they put new shit in there. I honestly don't know There's a term for old cars with new guts and No, no, um, um, whatever. There's a there's a there's a term for It. Um Not a hot rod. It's not that Resto mod I think it's resto mod. Yeah, I think it's resto mod. That's what restoration modification Yes, and and you just you just like like lost odyssey is one of those

You know and I I thoroughly thoroughly loved that. I really enjoyed What that game was doing while being insanely traditional and I like I and I'm coming from a place where if a game had random battles that were invisible I fucking used to hate that. Yeah, and then I stopped hating that right. I still prefer seeing Yeah, I think everybody does but like I got used to it and it warmed down until I was like, okay Yeah, this is what these games do. You know, but those downsides kind of you kind of forget them thinking back on These games because the upsides were so high. Yeah, you know, so when a game then Would choose to just be like why include one of these things? Yeah to me. That was a downside

I'm like, yeah, I don't I don't I don't mind that being gone But I can still enjoy it in a context where Um, it's what they're trying to do lost odyssey wants to feel like a classic rpg So it made sure to include all of that. Yeah Uh, and and I don't want the way I feel about indivisible And like the simplicity of what it's doing and how much I enjoy that. Yeah to then inform Or make people assume that I want that of all other games or all other rpgs

Right because that's the important thing here and I know that people mistake and misunderstand things a lot In this case where they would possibly Take this conversation and go Woolly wants everything to be like this. Yeah, or that could only want to take all this junk out of Couldn't be further from the truth, right? You know, I brought up that thing with front mission But guess what what I played a front mission 3 was fucking incredible from mission 3 is Like I remember you said you were picking away at it, but that game is like

Unbelievably long. It's so big. I bring it up as an example because I needed to To bring up an example of like this meandering where it's like is this slow-pacing or is it nothing? It's both but it's enjoyable. Yeah, and I yeah, I don't want it to to be that like, you know Therefore turn all things into fighting games or take away like that's not at all what I'm saying not at all You can turn them into character action games, too Yeah It's it's important for me to put that out there because I the you know the the the term someone introduced was flanderization. Yes

I have Become flanderized multiple times. We've all been flanderized. We've all been flanderized I saw that image going around that you've retweeted that was like some of these are accurate And some of them are so off that you don't even know where they came from It's hilarious And then they're like nice mix-up not explaining which is which. Yeah, that is a decent mix-up. Yeah, um I mean it's like and then I was like well if you want a hint Literally fight it within nine years of audio

Scroll and find me anywhere saying I'm going to go pro at anything Let's find the one You talk about going pro every night on your fighting game stream. You're like I'm doing pro Pro pro gamer moves out here pro gamer move. That is the stupidest term. Oh, I love it Sounds so silly. That's a real pro gamer move Yeah Um, anyway, all right, let's take word from our sponsors

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Uh, wow, we got a we got a chunky boy today. Yeah, we got a chunky boy. Um Did you did you have any thoughts you wanted to finish? Nah, I'm good. I want my internet back and I was bored by indivisible. That's my week. Gotcha If you want to check out my stream, which will hopefully Return tomorrow night Uh, I'll probably be playing out of worlds. That'll be twitch.tv slash angriest pat. God. Please let my stream come back tomorrow night I'm very upset about this internet situation My internet's great and indivisible rules. All right. Well, that's the opposite week that I had so

Um Anyway, yeah the uh, yeah, I did I did have a week and um You know, I as I look at the clock and it says 246 not in terms of the time but in terms of How long we've been running here. Holy shit. Are you for real? Yes, it is. Uh, I I I'm reminded of those who are individuals a real controversial game. Uh, and um What was the other thing? Oh, yeah astral shade. Yeah, um and the fucking The the the big fight cast. Yeah, uh, but uh, what was I gonna say? Yeah, I'm reminded of those

Oh, yeah, I'm reminded of of those who uh, are not a fan of the meandering nature That this podcast can go on but all I can say is look it's personality driven I think all I can we just hit the button and we go And whatever is of interest or of passion is going to come out All I can say is that if you're very big upset about the meandering nature of this content I have a cloth that you can use to polish my balls with Okay, well, I try to be a little more understanding. I don't And uh, let the people know that uh, yeah, like

Some some people came for the news and all right didn't get it and that's all there Don't worry. There will be at least two pieces of news this week. Hey Um, speaking of cloth to polish balls. That's right. Uh, I got a massage yesterday. Yeah. Yeah It was really nice. What kind of is that? Uh, so I was looking for a deep tissue. Yeah Um, usually they do that targeted on an area. So it was kind of a mixture of deep tissue and therapeutic. Yeah, um, but The reason why I bring this up is because uh, you go to a spa you go to the individual I went to a spa. Okay, and uh Um, it was it was punch mom's birthday recently. Okay. Yeah, did a little yeah, you do the spa day did a thing. Um, but like the, uh

The reason why I bring this up is because after talking about like all that shit all that shit last time Uh, and then we we had around we had uh The session this time I kind of went like okay. I want firm. I want it hard. I want you know a nice mmm get in there give me the elbow and uh boy did like Massage tech has stepped up. Oh dude because like

Literally, there was a the like like the masseuse at one point Crawled massage therapist masseuse is the other one. Excuse me. Excuse me. Very different very important. Yes. Yes especially in france the masseur and Yeah, all right the massage therapist at one point

crawled And had knees on my butt. Yeah, and elbows going in To the back. Yeah, like when I'm talking full weight. I meant full weight and That's some good tech. Yeah, good tech because guess what you're not strong enough Gravity needs to help you Well, luckily gravity will help anyone. Yeah Um, this was a this was a tag team effort between the massage therapist and gravity And like literally on top of my back going in and I was like this is next level, but it was great. Yeah, it was great. Um, so

uh, shout outs to just like fucking Like I said, I want I want a kenshiro. Yeah Doing doing the hitting me with the points, you know, I want I want sometimes you just need somebody to take their elbow And just jam it as far as they can in your bag. I want a biac again. Yeah going off and it almost did. So That was cool. Um Anyway, uh, I guess yeah, I'll try to keep it real brief. Um, did you watch alchemy? No I did not. Okay. You watch breaking bad

Yes, I did You pop wait alchemy. No came out alchemy. No is out. Oh Jesus. I didn't even realize. Yeah Yeah, it is um There's a there's a breaking black bad refresher on the on the playlist on netflix. Yeah, it's three minutes long It's not three minutes. It is not long enough. No way You need a much bigger recap. You know, um, holy shit. That's nonsense. Yeah I I I highly suggest anyone who's you know, needs a refresher to go find

One that's not just the one they included on netflix because three minutes is not enough time to fucking run through what that story was about but um Yeah, alchemy alchemy. No, it was it was it was it was simple. It was good. It was very focused in what it was trying to do Yeah, it didn't uh meander too much. Um, it's almost like indivisible. It's it's got a clear goal Yeah, and it and it's and it's just so what it's jesse after the end of the series. It's jesse It's uh, it's it's his story. Okay, and basically, uh, you know, the the movie is based on the fact that, um, jesse pinkman was last seen driving southbound in an alchemy No

Uh leaving. Mm-hmm the crime scene it's So I guess I should have known that was out because there was like the dumbest article i've ever seen Like people were posting screenshots of its headlines. It was so fucking stupid, which is a picture of todd Remember that dumb motherfucker the blonde guy. Oh, yeah, and it's like Here's the real reason why characters look different in el camino than in breaking bad You see even though they take place chronologically afterwards. They were actually recorded many years apart No shit

Age exists. Yes dumb motherfuckers. Yes Also time passes also, uh, uh There is There at time passes and the passage of time means that sometimes people need to wear bald caps That don't work. Oh No, so then you call in the cg budget to fix it Do you see the cg? It's fine. Okay, but the bald cap was not working It was bad. So they had to just

Oh Oh boy time has passed people are busy. Yeah I don't want to shave my head again Not gonna fucking not for one weekend of shooting. Yeah, but anyway. Um, no, uh, yeah, el camino is a nice little Send-off it's a nice little closing bit all this time later. Um It certainly wasn't is it necessary? Absolutely not. No, um, does it add anything? Debateably but not much. Was it enjoyable, but it was enjoyable and that's it. Yeah, you know, um It's it's a bit like, uh

It's a bit like how You know, this is so fucking dated. It doesn't even work anymore. All right. Oh, I'm excited now The original full metal alchemist Uh-huh Ended on a on a fucking whatever note. Yeah, and then uh the The conqueror of shambhala movie came out and confused everybody. Yeah further Uh, but then it did kind of wrap things up in a few ways and then this little little side piece

No, you know what fuck that along the bad bad. I got a better one. I got a better one. Yeah, uh Uh stargazer, okay, it's like stargazer. It's a nice little bit at the end that you can Optionally include or don't so Here's my big question. All right. It didn't it doesn't really add all that much and it doesn't really continue the the big plot or whatever for and that's fine and it's enjoyable but It doesn't go ahead and mess with anything. No, okay um

One thing it does It does something really it does one thing it does something really cool um No one comes back to life. No, it doesn't mess with anything. Okay, and it does something really cool that like Uh, just makes you kind of appreciate The old series. Mm-hmm. You know and appreciate like The journey so to speak, you know, um, and like yeah, you kind of just remember like man. That was a really long like

adventure yeah, and or misadventure and uh One thing's for sure is that like powerhouse actors All the way through um doing a good job so Yeah, you got you got some really you see some you know some talented motherfuckers coming back and doing what they do And it's definitely it also reminds you of the pace where it's like, okay, you almost feel like oh my god

It's been so long since breaking bad. So like now every second counts. Yeah, and then it's gonna still take its time staring at some dirt And you're like nah, so now you know how twin peaks fans Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like nah, but like you got to feel that dirt though So let it's okay. It's important to start that dirt. Let it take time You know, um, and and then there's some not powerhouse actors that return. Oh, no that you know Yeah, they were there

They did stuff But yeah, check it out. All right It's a nice. It's a nice optional side quest at the end of the adventure It is a little epilogue little epilogue Uh, it is not The answer It is it is the good epilogue. You know what? um

You mentioned fma But uh, and I don't want to talk about the original series, but brotherhood in fact Brotherhood did something that very few pieces of media do that I feel is incredibly underrated And that is something that you get you get in books very often You almost never get them in tv or anime or film and it had a really pronounced denouement Which is the rising climax and the conclusion of the plot and then you have Okay, so everyone's going to go back to their life and

Start to live their life and you're going to get a little piece of how it's going to go, right? Yes Almost nothing gets that so things that do that do it with purpose. Yeah, um What you're describing is often not really done because If you're following the traditional hero's journey. Yeah You need to return to a home that's not your home anymore almost in some places And like what i'm thinking of specifically is the scouring of the shire. Yeah, right, which is the anti-denouement It's the anti-denouement, but it's important. Yeah, you know and the role it plays in like

These fucking world saviors coming home to what? Yeah, it's You're what's that? What? Oh, this sucks. Who? Are you fucking kid? Oh my god. Can we just get on with our like? Oh, are you serious right now? Like that feeling Matters in the grand context of that whole thing, you know um So you don't always go for it. It depends on the type of story you're trying to teach, but yeah, uh Watch it. It's good

Um, and it has some nice poetry that rhymes. Oh it rhymes Very enjoyable George Lucas will be dead and gone and no one will know what star wars is but everyone will be like you see It's like poetry because it rhymes. I went to ect east coast throwdown. It was a really fun tournament Samurai showdown, you know the usual did the thing had the friends had the fun played the tournament Beat some strong people lost to some strong people It is what it is another step in the your road of going pro. Uh, yeah Yeah

Christ on the fucking cross Uh shout outs to uh, johnny cage and li joe those guys fucking they do a great ass tournament over in stanford And a bunch of the people I hang out with really cool tight sam show community While I was down there. I got to watch american tv and you know what that means I got to watch And see what's going on with the english dubbs anime. Oh, yeah And I got to see some stuff that I was like, what's going on here? What's this dr. Stone?

Okay, dr. Stone. Dr. Stone is a new thing Um, dr. Stone is going down. That is a new thing. I'm kind of surprised. I've got a dub and um, I don't know I'm like, what the What is this? I clearly didn't I didn't start at the beginning. I just started your nose wrinkled and you went Yeah, and I and I said I watched it and I was like, I um, okay, um They had some of some other stuff come and go that I definitely uh Have not been following and I definitely I need to catch back up on one punch, man

Like apparently you don't Well, I'm curious to see where it goes. All right, because I want to know um but You know, dr. Stone was like I was just confused because I was like Watching a random episode in the middle of this thing. Yeah, and I and I like I did not have enough information to form an opinion one way or the other although that his hair looks

really weird and uh kind of Reminds me of like when my hair is a mixture of green and yellow at times and it's it's it looks like a leak Looks like a fucking I don't know and now the song's in my head All right, what song league spin? Okay, well anyway, um I did get to see an episode of gendy tartakovsky's new show primal. Uh-huh. Have you seen this thing?

Yeah, it is fucking awesome. Good super cool Uh, you need to check this out. It's gendy doing caveman. Yeah caveman and dinosaurs existing in the same time wait a second That's not anthropologically correct caveman and dinosaurs Same time same place fighting for survival I don't know about that it is hot shit

and what if what if Nathan explosion was born in the era he should have been born. Okay. Okay. All right. It's brutal Do you understand I do it is Nathan explosion Born into a world before language. Oh my god. That is made for him I love the metal. It's it's great. I love the metal oculus cast so much You know, that's not fair to use them against me like the but it's really just him though

Yeah, it really is just him and it's it's great. It's brutal dude Caveman adventures those you don't know who Nathan explosion is. He's the front man of metal oculips Yes I really I I can't I cannot I cannot stress How much it really is that and It's great. It's gendy, you know, and you're seeing stylized fun shit good animation good awesome color work everything everything's just fantastic like

I need to go fucking get a watch more of this as quickly as possible I didn't know what he was up to turned out. He was up to some hot shit. Yeah turns out gendy fucking Never fucking failing. Yeah, so that's cool. And uh, yeah, um, I'll cut it short there but in terms of games I played killer queen black which is that arcade

4v4 or 5v5 thing that um Wow That like the they had at certain cons like they would be one at mags fast and the big cabinet big team It's joust with multiplayer. Does that ring a bell at all? It's fucking. No. I'm looking it up right now. Okay. Well killer queen Queen and jojo references out of the gate I fucking bet are you no, no, I'm saying we get those not the game itself is a Fucking improved team versus joust

There is a oh, you love joust. Joust is the best Joust is the best At a time, you know why I love joust because oh, that's just fucking joust because joust back then in the world of pacman galaga Uh, uh, uh, donkey kong and all those classic arcade games. Yeah joust was the most direct PVP experience You weren't comparing scores. You were fucking killing people exactly you were out maneuvering each other and that's the best It's a shame and I'll never live up to balloon fight

Nintendo sure did get their version of it. Yeah At least at least the balloons are clearly an indicator of where you got a hit Yeah, and joust. You didn't immediately know that you had to hit above instead of below Um, yeah, so so in killer queen you have a team One of them is a queen. The queen has a really hefty weight. The queen can Do like a joust like stab dash or can dive bomb. Okay. Um, the others are workers that just are uh, fucking uh Work work

You know drones, uh, right? Pions whatever and they go and they collect berries and bring them back Or if you feel like it one of those team members that are collecting berries can go become A warrior, uh, and then you're like a joust warrior So you can just like you're uh, you're not the queen. You're just a normal fighter, right? Or you can become a faster worker or you can become Uh, a worker with a gun feels like an rts where everybody plays a unit. You play a unit. That's very interesting It's very interesting. So I remember sacrifice kind of almost played with that way back in the day that that that

old spc game Right sacrifice where it's not ringing any bells rts where you're on the field with your units Right. Um, but anyway, this is something that was like, yeah, you you really do you choose what you there's a queen But everyone else gets to choose what role they want to play and there's three ways to win You either kill the queen. Yeah with a military victory enough times you, uh Bring back enough resources. Yeah, or you ride the snail at the bottom of the screen to all the way to the goal post Okay, and you have to focus on all three because when you're doing one they're doing the other Oh, do you want to sieve you want to

Military victory economic victory or cultural victory offense defense goalposts, you know Uh, uh, a snail victory whatever like sieve with birds Yeah, and if you can't like you can only kill someone on the snail if you are a warrior But if you're riding the snail you have to be a normal unit And if the snail's moving you can throw yourself in front of it and it'll stop to eat you, but it's waste time You know what I mean? So there's strategy to all this and like it's really really hard to coordinate Like with a bunch of people Uh, uh at first it's really hard to fight against people that are coordinated when you're not

Yeah, you know But what's nice is it's on switch and you can grab four people and go online with the four local Oh, really against a team of four. Oh, that's great So that's awesome And if you don't if you're two you can team up with another team of two And then they'll put you into a team against another group So like however many people you're with you will team up with what you're missing. That's good. I like this So we we went on with three

And me and min and reggie We got like extra person to join in and you know what I mean? You kind of do it. So it's fantastic. It's really really fun Killer queen. I've had a ton of fun playing it locally and like now the port is finally here These guys have been making this arcade thing important and making just like local versions for years now and like it's It's never gotten ported and it's finally fucking here. Give it a shot, especially if you like joust Videos of that are currently up on woolly versus you can go check that out And uh, I went back to house of the dead overkill. Yeah, I saw that. Why because I felt like it

I wanted to do it for a long time now that game's fucking great Someone reminded me of it and I kind of went oh fuck. I did want to do that and um, you know, everyone's asking me about Uh, uh shitstorm stuff and I'm like, I have nothing to do with shitstorm. I never did Except for being the subject of the jokes If I'm gonna do something halloween-ish, I mean it's gonna be on my terms with the thing that I want so In this case house of the dead overkill Love that game. Um that game's ending is

Nonsense In the best way It's out there, man. Nonsense in the best way. So Yeah, like don't ask me to fucking play Slenderman or or or You know fucking whatever You're whatever man, whatever horror is the survival horror shit. I'ma play my shit My shit is house of the dead overkill. That's how I do it

And uh, it's a good time. And so that too is happening on woolly versus alongside indivisible and astral chain Um having a good time if you want to see more of that Woolly versus on twitch and woolly versus on youtube. Let's Get to it. Hey, it's time for the news. Do you want some news here? We got some news. Hey Let's get through it in a timely fashion You want to do the fallout thing right away? We can do the fallout thing right away. All right fallout 76 Is offering a $100 annual pass that will give you unlimited storage and the ability to play the game by yourself Okay, now I debated whether or not to call this a clock reset because this is outrageous

This is a dumb idea, but it's just a dumb idea as opposed to a complete failure in its Like like, okay This should have been free. How do I? What you know, how do you explain like it's what's the difference between like someone? Hmm Uh, it depends how you frame the clock because it's like it's been x days since a failure fence See, here's the thing. I don't actually count that. I don't say failure I say it's been x amount of days since an embarrassing piece of news about right

Okay, that's if that's the metric then this because this is embarrassing if that's the metric then this is a clock reset But I'm like this is almost like a remake of the clock Yeah, this is recontextualized because because for me it's like this is not this is not a failure It's like this is an announcement of a bad idea This is more than twice the amount. Uh, this is like twice The failure is the result of what happens after this announcement. Oh, yeah, that's the fail. Oh my god But this is the this is the plan You know, so this is the announcement remember this is leading to the clock reset

This is right after by the way, they said they weren't going to have any gameplay oriented Micro transactions and then they put them in anyway and then they said, oh people love them so much We just had to do it and they're huge liars. That was like two weeks ago Uh, so now they're going to offer you hey a 100 dollar annual pass It'll expire To play the game single player which would probably play way better because it means the server won't just be dying every two seconds I mean an unlimited storage something that people have been complaining about the whole time They've been playing that game

So you have this obviously probably had to go through the the the meeting like crunch fucking not crunch the meeting uh conveyor belt Of like one to the another to another to like, okay, how do we just monetize like in a strong succinct, yeah simple way and Fuck it. This is charged more than this is charged twice the price of the game. It's just Just fuck just see who bites. Yep. Take take your fishing rod

put Put shit on it put fecal matter on your fishing rod and throw it in and say you get a hundred dollars if you buy this Just see you buy this to see who bites. I mean, so we'll I don't know how it might be a fish out there Extra research you've done on maybe a ball in 76 and how busted it is zero But did you know that the fact that enabling Private server games Is related to your unlimited inventory space. No, so

Uh, Joseph is his name Joseph Anderson. I want to say it's Joseph Anderson. Um, and a guy named, um Mandalore played a bunch of fall at 76 on stream and joseph Made this enormous video documentary on how fucked up that game is And Went into detail on like there was once a time in which the server would not add new people So as the night went on Less and less people would be populating the server until it appeared that him and Mandalore were maybe the only people on the server Right. Okay at the time all of a sudden everything worked great

Uh inventory was snappy bugs stopped happening All sorts of shit massively improved and then he went into multiple patches and and looked at All the changes they've made to like oops. We've now instituted a hard carry limit We've instituted a total item limit or they changed the weights of items And everything they have tried to do is to try and get the amount of items people are carrying down Because it appears that the amount of items that are floating around in the world on characters Are being pinged by the server And that causes the server to fucking die

So If you create a function in which you maybe don't have to connect to the server All of a sudden your inventory can be unlimited you lighten up the load by to infinity because it's probably not even connecting to a server anymore So this is actually one feature. Ha this is a bug. Well, there's a fascinating. This is a bug fix They determine they determined that the only way to have infinite inventory is to just let people play by themselves And they go well shit if we let people play by themselves. No one's ever going to play online. What do we do? Monetize it dude. That's I mean that's almost brilliant Like that's almost genius. It's not a bug. It's a it's a paid feature like wow at the spin on that

Because people have been complaining about inventory management in that game forever Because the game wants you to carry tons of stuff for like crafting and crap like that, but you just don't have enough Slots in your inventory or wait. You just don't have enough So I guess they were looking into fixing that and this is the only way to fix it So yeah, it says here the benefits are the private world unlimited storage A new fast travel point with a stash sleeping bag Um a bunch of atoms

Oh, yeah an outfit exclusive for members and unique icons and more This is the most embarrassing desperate attempt to make money back off this game Do you think it's the final attempt? Yeah, probably Because I have to be real like I didn't expect any news to pop up. Hey by the way, you know what how When did this get announced today today? You know why I bet this got announced today? Because outer worlds is out on friday. Fuck me. You're right. It's outer worlds is all the rage right now. Everyone's talking about how amazing it is I'm expecting to be able to get early access, which I'm going to try and stream tomorrow night

But every they're doing it. They are doing the craziest thing ever the game isn't out yet There's a twitch plays outer worlds happening right now. Yeah. Yeah, which is barely a mess because of course it is also full There's full reviews like a week ahead of time embargo is is broken or not broken embargo is up Right, everybody's just talking about how awesome it is and it's it's a spiritual successor To cotor new vegas. So this that's a double whammy and this is so yeah, and so they're just going hey, but fall out though fall out response and it's like fuck go fuck yourselves It's that is so blatant whenever blizzard did it and whenever Everybody always does it and it's like

It has no relation to our competitors release dates. We just happened to release this thing right before it's it's blatant to uh It's blatant to Like anyone who's following the two things. Yes, it is not blatant In the grand scheme and down the line I would argue that it's even harder because now we remember this and we will remember this as a response to that But at other times you when you think about a game announcement You're very rarely thinking about when this dropped and in comparison to what it's really funny because like world of warcraft is my favorite

Because expansions for the for world of warcraft always always drop within like one week of whatever their current competitors expansion is going to drop Like whatever it is. Yeah, that's when it comes out Yeah, so they they they were doing the epic fortnight approach before that, you know before epic was but uh, I was gonna say Oh my fucking god when you just said epic fortnight I didn't even understand that you were saying epic the company and fortnight the game I literally translated it into popular meme thing Like like it was like it was joke words that you were saying. Wow. Yeah. No because fortnight is like a joke word in my mind No, no, no, no, I meant the literal of both of those things. Um, so it's and also I realized that

Not realized but I remember that it's Easy to forget as well How things perform when you forget about what it was up against. Yeah, right? So when people go what the fuck happened with like titanfall Yeah, or titanfall. That's like it was released on the same day as battlefield. It was sent to die and you know and and uh Movies, right that come out that are just like why this amazing what what happened? You're like, oh it was up against

How come this oscar winner didn't make a ton of money because it came out the same weekend as jaws like fuck off You know shit like that, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, so um Uh I wish there was a way to like be aware of the timing the internet context machine is something that you need to create Right, this is here and this is this happened But what else was happening at this time? Yeah, this is probably in relation to you know Like how come battleborn was such a miserable failure? Well one it wasn't very appealing to Blizzard decided to fucking curb stomp them into hell with overwatches release and beta timings. Yeah

Um, and you know a good review would probably include that context a bad review would probably not yeah Uh Fuck off all out sure something that hurts me to say um, but Uh, we can go other places so way to drive a whole ip just into the dirt as dead as it could be Speaking of driving an ip, uh-huh didn't say where uh-huh Project l project l is the name is the new dry p Project l is the name of the game that we've been waiting on

Okay, it's the name of the fighting game that riot is making. Oh, yes, or the or to be more precise uh radiant so We you and I and people who listen to this podcast and people who followed uh rising thunder and all that stuff Everybody knew this game was gonna happen. It was being made in the background if they then confirmed it at uh evo, right? Yeah, of course they are right But even crazier than that is that when the clip for this got shown it got shown alongside There's a shooter. Yeah, we'll get to that like project a so it looks like riot's trying out some new shit. Yeah, and uh

So the footage of of project l Uh is really just three clips. It's very fast, right? And what they show is uh direct footage that looks like that's a rising thunder looks like rising That's a rising thunder with with human beings instead of robots. Well, and fox girls um and then There's more footage that's off-camera where you see someone do a marvel-ass teleport that switches sides and then uncross ups

Where it's it appears on one side. It like does like dante, right? She appears on one side of the character and then it's really it's fast and fucking crazy So they're almost going like hey if you're looking for some nutty mix-ups, you're gonna find them here, you know And uh people are very excited because uh Now we can all start the speculation game of who will be coming and what it will mean It's the grand boo thing again. It's like giant roster. Yes Uh Very excited to finally see project l very excited for what this might mean

If it plays like rising a thunder because rising thunder was so much fun Yeah, and uh, of course when it comes to the roster, uh, you know me I'm a huge league of legends smark. Yeah Big big on main right big on the movers. Yeah, so I present to you In no particular order. Oh Okay, the list. Oh the list the list. Okay, let's hear it. All right. Okay. I'm ready. What you know, you know a thing I know a thing or two. All right the list

Besides Yasuo. Okay besides Yasuo. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine Because obviously I've been talking about Yasuo. Obviously. Yeah, okay. All right I don't know who the main characters are. I don't know nothing about that. Shit. Here's what will you actually make this? Did you go through like a picture list? Riven. Okay Oh dear Blitzcrank Volibear The

Lee sin. Yeah Thresh, uh-huh master yee. Uh-huh Ilyoy. Okay. That's my list. No, Akali Akali Akali Akali Akali just the girl with the with the spray paint in the in the pop stars trailer. Oh the KD the KD the KD Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe fine. Whatever. Maybe anything I'm not saying. No, it's fine. The fox girl from that thing is totally in it Yeah, that's all fine. That's all fine. That's that can that that's a good one too. That could happen But but that that's the list. Yeah, that's what I want

I what I'm like The process I was I'm like as I'm sitting there scroll. I'm like, okay. Let me see who these fucking champions are these heroes, right? And you go to the website and it's a bunch of little boxes. Oh, it's terrible And I'm like, no, I need a big piece of art And I took a second I was at the meetup right at the fighting game meetup and everyone's just like, okay Okay, woolly woolly check out this character. Check out that and I'm looking and I'm jumping all over the place, right? And I'm like this me going to that website and seeing that fucking little box of the face of the character I know you can just click on it and go to it, right?

But almost that and then when you look at them in game, I'm like, right There's a thing that I don't that I'm not drawn to which is when I can't see and appreciate my barely see the character Right and it's the same thing for first person shooters and it's the same thing for uh, it's rts It's one of the things that heroes of the storm specifically the reason why it's so zoomed in is so the characters are way bigger. Yes, and uh I you hear me talk about wanting to see my character in third person games You hear me talking about like fighting games or you can see like I love seeing the character It matters so much to me. It's a huge part. I love the art. I love the visuals

So when you show me a rad ass piece of art, but then it equates to either a bunch of floating hands or Uh A model that's so far away I'm like god, I wish I could see you only see from a top-down angle Yeah, yeah, I really wish I could you know, but from based on the the the design That's the fucking list. All right Elioi in particular is a fucking good one Blitzcrank big robot looks solid. I'm eagerly awaiting and then yes

A new fighting game in which your voice chat will be killed if you say the words Hong and or call What if it's in a in what order? And I don't know if you saw this because people found out that uh in riot's twitch or whatever the fuck You can't say Hong Kong when people went to co-complain on the forums, you know what words also they found were banned The word freedom. Oh wow is banned. That's that's that's from making threads on riot games's uh forums Riot games obviously owned by Tencent And were temporarily enjoying blizzard's faux pas shenanigans But no, I mean there is the same thing. It's the same thing. Let's talk about donkey kong

Yeah, you see that kong. You see that video of like that 10 year old kong At an nba game like dancing around in the stands to get the camera on him And then as soon as he sees the cameras on him, he holds up a free hong kong shirt. That's hilarious and the cameraman does like Oh, it's it's it's fucking hilarious. That's fantastic It's fucking hilarious the bait is hard. The bait is is fucking strong. Look at me. Look at me. No, don't look at me It's a moment. You love these moments, don't you? You love these little nba fucking their moments. Yeah Everybody everybody wants a big titan tron moment. Uh, uh, uh It's kind of hilarious. So the word freedom is banned. Yeah freedom. That's freedom. How about that?

A word that is very useful in tons of context in in all on a game forum I would like to have freedom of choice of character. Blah-blah. No banned Yeah, I mean so I mean big Banned at the end of the day. Look riot bought radiate. Yeah It is what it is right uh The cannons

I trust them to make something cool. I'm very excited to see what they're working on. Yeah Oh, absolutely. I'm sure they're gonna do a great job. I just look forward To the cannons being put up on the stage to be Killed by the crowd. I really really hope That doesn't happen because

well Luckily we will get a test run of this scenario very soon As blizzcon approaches right around the corner and qas are still open Oh, fuck. Yeah, absolutely Can't and even if they're not even if they cancel them, they're still gonna have thousands of people You know, hey, I was talking to a friend of mine. He's like, well, how big can blizzcon be? How big do you think blizzcon is per attendance?

I imagine 20 35, okay You know what that is. That's way too big to escort out. Yep Yeah, that's that's that is there's not enough security in a city to Contain that group if they just want to yell all the question is is what number of that amount is going to be uh Cosplaying may 25% all right

Do you have A name or list? No, okay, we'll find that's fucking The cool one with the axe I saw in the in the thing look cool. Yeah, that's fine too anti air They might as well be all new characters to me They might as well be new characters You know what they should do though, right for the for the roster League has been around for a long time and has been adding characters throughout that history

They should go in the same order Which will make people so mad dude It's the ultimate gen oneers. Oh, yeah, it's the ultimate gen oneers, you know, we're starting with The first five because dude like and there's 150 something to get to 80 something 70 Who knows we'll get there warframe does this thing where they have frames and they'll get prime frames, right? And the prime frames come out in the order that the original frames were released in but that's like I want a prime in aros, right in aros is guaranteed 18 months away

And if you love the frame that came out just now That frame is guaranteed like four years away at least so What are the odds we're going to get like three or four versions of timo and like And like that girl with the big shark missile Jinx jinx. Yeah

Think we're just gonna I think just just that this game Will really show off Just how many costumes you can put into a fighting game for money. Hmm. Hmm Okay, so I I almost wanted to include alts But but then that would just be nonsense because there's a bunch of characters that have like alta tournament to another person Yeah, and there's like a centaur man That turns into the most awesome looking arcade robot fucking Mohawk

rainbow Wonderful amazing design arcade arcade something. Yeah, and you're like, okay. Well shit if you're getting in the alts in there This game is just cash money money money cash. It is cash money money cash Um It's all in the roster. I'm actually fascinated to see how a fighting game First of all, this needs to if it's being made by riot. This needs to be the one This needs to be the free fucking fighting game With the low input barrier and the you know like and the strong online that the dude it better

Well, christ if the cannons and killian Can't make this game run well online Then it's time for everyone to give the fuck up. Oh the ggp. Oh guys. Yeah. Yeah, maybe good game. Peace out. We're done Maybe uh, the other thing too real quick is just that um In addition to that there's the part where riots used to handling league of legends players Uh In such a way where they they like hire the professionals and they like they're they're paid Like cash money, right? And then um, so from what I understand

It's like that is good for players that otherwise would not have like getting sponsorship and fighting games is a very It's very weird. It's it's a difficult and hard thing and and how long you can do it and what you can do it for And so on and so forth. There's a lot of bad deals out there So something like that where that's covered for the players is nice What it's not what's not nice is the inability to run Uh grassroots events because that's important too. So the events are all big sponsored things as well and like you kind of want the best of both worlds, which is like

Uh, something that like some security the players can aspire to and like get some good shit out of it while Leaving it so that people can run their events if if but you don't want to exclude other people from being able to run Enter these things if right once you can't put a wall up and say new players that are not the most important thing About any of these things is that you have free open tournaments. You have to every time but At the worst case I can see a situation in which you have essentially a minor legal fighting games In which it will actually retreat to the trash bin that it it spawned from In which players will become known there and get picked up to go to the big leagues I mean the de facto even though it never happened with the current fighting games. It's still sort of has it's happening in

on In like unspoken in an unspoken way with things like street fighter league happening. Yeah, right like you're you're getting these large Invitational's and these there's a list of like pro players that are making points And you can still go to events that give out cpt points and make them by ranking high But at the end of that the people with the list of points that make the top whatever All become the pros. Yeah, you know, so There's there there needs to be a way in a method in to get in there

That does involve going to man's to be an open tournament and it demands it because the cannons run the fucking thing Yeah And so Like if they're gonna put their own game at their own tournament Yeah, and it's anything other than an open tournament. That would be a force. It would never happen That would never happen. Um You know the the roots are still there, but yeah, this looks really great. I'm looking forward to it Uh project a is the hero shooter

Uh Oh my god. Do these all Is there a project e and a project? It's three things, right? It's the the main takeaway from that riot announcement stream was project a project l and then um league of legends console Okay, wild lands. I believe it's called uh So yeah project a is the uh tactical fps Where uh from what you can see in the footage

It like as someone who doesn't like You know Know too much Uh, I will say that like I'm like it looks almost like a map out of um, like a counter strike In a way in some cases, but then it has like that like Like clearly the proportions of the characters are more like overwatchy project a you said a project a right? so you're seeing a very like uh

At some points you're outside and just staring at some buildings And then it's another point you're sorry you're indoors and you're looking at boxes and what looks like a fantasy type building And then suddenly someone puts their gun down and starts doing magic with their hands and casting and resin And you're like, okay, so this is multiple things Someone in the chat says underwatch. That's pretty funny Uh So yeah, all right. I'm looking at the footage now That absolutely looks like a counter strike map

Okay, I'm not crazy right and the way that they're moving around and shooting kind of looks like a cross between Siege and something more arcane. Okay. Good good good because I see all these crates And I see this kind of Just, you know, you're these outdoor little Yeah, that person's dead on underwatch is totally on point. This is siege with hero abilities But not like siege is hero abilities. We just like breach the door and shit like that. But like So, um Yeah, I like I like immediate vibes of counter strike upon

Seeing the the the way that it's what shadow run should have been the glimpse of gameplay there. Um, but yeah, so You know, probably gonna have a bunch of like Like strong character designs a lot going on in the gameplay clips. I saw yeah double jump knife throwing to blink All sorts of magic magic. Yeah, it's a mober shooter You know, you're you're gonna have a hero with abilities, right? So yeah, that's that's project day. We'll see what that's all right Mover shooters unite reaching into, uh, you know, the not Mephens of the agent the first person Uh, anyway, uh, we'll see so yeah

All right, who's working on that by the way. So radiant was working on um, the fighting game project a Scanning the article it doesn't seem like there's a Particular company attached mober watch so it might just straight up be uh, they're internal Might be wrong okay, um Sudden unknown rad keep an eye on it suda 51 and swery

65 and they also, uh, they also message the creator of silent hill and be like hey get on this with us Sudden swery teaming up to work on something iji in japan is doing a live stream on the live stream They hinted that they are yes, uh teaming up or possibly with Uh, each other to work on something known as hotel Barcelona Who fucking knows Who fucking knows but that is a dream team And I think everybody would be very happy to see it because Like they're very similar

They're in a similar space in the industry right like japanese dev with a personality that kind of occupies like a particular niche And everyone fucking Loves their weird shit and wants them to keep doing it So I really want to point out how fucking bizarre this announcement is Because this is literally swery And suda got together and we're like hey, let's go hold a conference. Okay, cool

We have an idea for a cool game. We both want to make we're cool And in the middle of it two things happened somebody was like anybody else and then I think it was swery goes Oh, we should totally get the director of uh silent hill on this because I don't i'm bad at concept art or something like that And started texting him He's during the during the thing kei chiro toyama Uh was asked via text message if he wanted to work on the game and he replied yes, and then and then And then this is the part that's extra crazy They're like, oh, we're thinking of of uh teaming up with devolver digital

We think they're cool and they'll give us some money and then devolver's twitter account went, huh? What? Can you come talk to us? Please? What are you talking about? What did they on twitter? What did they like? They're they made a confused tweet. It's like you should probably come pitch this to us It sounds cool, but we don't know what you're talking about So they're out on stage is going yeah, probably devolver and devolver's like What yeah fantastic. So this is this is a hail mary. I love it. I love this is absolutely dude

Fuck it like like uh scorsese and tarantino on stage are just like you know text leo Yeah, we should probably make a movie. You got leo's number. Yeah. I'll use them. Yo leo We're doing me and me and me and quentin are sitting here. You want in? Yes. Okay. Okay Why one stream hey sam you in yeah sam's in sam's coming. Yeah sam's all right. All right. What's brad up to brad He's he might be busy. Let's see. What's probably busy Oh, he's he's bored because the wife's doing disney shit. He's on snapchat. Yeah Shoot him a message. Okay. Yeah. Is there any studio wants to make this movie? Anyway, uh, yeah, it is is the because they're both they're both famous eccentric japanese number-based creators

that Like have like that's a power couple like I said It's the same the same space. There's only one thing that I'm worried about Hotel barcelona if and when it gets made could be incredible, but boy it could be terrible might be It could be really bad. I hope somewhere something about it involves 116 because they also said they're straight up gonna it's based off of like the tone of twin peak season three Which is like Okay, we're oh, so you have seen it

65 plus 51. Yeah, there's 116 You see swear he changed his name last week. No, oh to 69. Yeah, it was the dumbest thing Good guy. Good guy So that is a going on and then speaking of eccentric Japanese game creators. That's right hanging out Promising new projects. This one was a little mean Not quite a promise, but just a wish. Yeah Still the internet's new hero

Yeah, ikumi nakamura went to hang out with Hideki kimiya. I plan on and be like And they were and she was she just went to go mark out at an overokami for a bit And while they were there, I'm gonna 100% guess this is all on her because she's the one hanging out doing jojo poses with people She's the one fucking me. So she goes and gets a video where she's standing next to kimiya and they basically say We believe okami will return Oh, she says okami is coming back. We want to make an okami sequel And basically there's just kind of like we want to make okami again. It's that's it. There's no actual news there It's just like we want to do it. We you should let us do it because we want to do it and capcom is like, huh?

Yeah, what? Who everybody's excited to see where she lands She has really done a really good job of creating like this cult of personality And positive energy and all this shit We thought she might it would be nice to think she might end up with platinum games But unfortunately, I'd like for her to be able to make some money after this interaction I do believe uh the footnote was that she did get blocked by kimiya. So that is unfortunately She asked him a question in english

Yes, and then he went he recorded the video and then walk immediately afterwards Uh, she was blocked. So there you go kimi. It's such a fucking asshole Of the best kind You would understand I would I guess I would We visited it earlier about an hour or two ago. Yeah uh Here's more fun stuff patrice daisy lay at eglx took place last weekend Yeah hung out and uh, he's talking about ancestors and um, what's going on with that and someone asked him

about uh About radio towers. Yeah, because no someone asked him about assassins creed. Yeah, and they kind of said like hey are you Of are you of do you see yourself as stuck being the assassin's creed guy? And he said I don't know honestly. I don't know and he kind of laughed. He said a little bit Um, if you're gonna spend years on something, I hope that happens breath of the wild. Wow that game Where you could do anything once you finish the first half hour or so Now you're just going to climb towers and unfog the rest of the map. Sorry. It's by fault That's strong

That's really strong. So yeah, man Uh, you know poor guy. I hope he gets a game to come out one day He got out while he could What comes next? Hopefully can Overshadow the current legacy Even though apparently like ac got better after we stopped Oh, sure

But like the current legacy is ubisoft chasing him to put their thumb in his eye at every opportunity Also, it's a different conversation with people about assassin's creed depending on where they left off Yeah, wherever they last left off or jumped in. Yeah, is the is you're gonna get a lot of those games There's a lot of them. Yeah, it's like talking to someone about star wars Or uh, I don't know. Maybe star trek. Yes, right like, okay You in yeah, but like where if somebody says I started a voyager You just you just stare and disapproval. Sure Like yeah, I got I got nothing on you. I got reruns of random things from

I had an incredibly bizarre situation happen due to star trek yesterday I helped my dad install a new tv And then he set up the netflix and on the netflix because it was on his account Next generation was the thing that was like, hey, look next generation. So we played start of an episode To test it, right? And yeah, that's riker talking on data and you know doing your bullshit And then my mom walked into the room and she's oh, no is the tv broken We go, what do you mean? It's like there's no picture on the sides

Like mom this was This is tv show from 91. So yeah, but where's the picture? Because this is in four by three. She doesn't understand and We're like mom. It's from 91. They don't you remember? She said, oh, yeah, I guess And it's like I'm like that wasn't that long ago. It wasn't but yeah Well, I mean it's also something she when's the last time you're wrong thought about four by three or a ratio aspect An aspect ratio of a never my media. My mother's used to the tv. She turns on the tv Exactly and she looks at the tv. So that's the end of the thought. Yeah

I popped something on the other day that like is in four three and I had to go like, oh my god, right Yeah, that's the age back in the dark times. Yeah um So and that continues to be a thing where i'm just staring at the borders, but whatever You know, could they stretch it out? Oh, they could have put some artwork on the side there to stretch it out, man Just put some put a nice little border. I don't like artwork on the side. Yeah, of course not. It's garbage Yet we do it anyway and there's stupid LPs because oh, that's different That's different. Uh, anyway, um

So that that that happened there uh Yeah, okay, we'll bring up the other stuff next time. Yeah, it'll stay good. Yeah, that's fine. It's still good. It's still good. All right. Hey Hey Is it email time then? Sure. Yeah Hey, it's email time if you want to send an email to this here podcast Send it to castle super beast mail at gmail.com. That's castle super beast mail at gmail.com Your email may be read on the air and possibly answered possibly just sarcastically derided

Uh, woolly, what do we got this week? Um Well, I was just gonna say uh the I'm just thinking like what star Trek means in my brain. Yeah, what does it mean? It means Uh, handfuls of random reruns of Uh, Kirk Picard and ds9. Okay, so you've never like sat and gone through it in continuity. Yeah, um That's how that's how like I'd say most people It was just because it's always always on it was just always on. Um, and sometimes I I'd I'd see

You know, like spock and other times I'd see Uh, a ferengi and I'd be like, what is this the old or the new and then well now it's confusing because it's all the old Yeah, but at the time it was like, well, is this is this quirk? in the all of the enterprise or yeah, is he in the bar on the I I would uh Tng and deep says nine are Are fantastic

television programs That I would highly recommend that everybody who has a vague interest in sci-fi really take a look at recommend Star Trek. So that's the weirdest thing because it's because it's so old and because it has been out of Popular circulation for so long it has actually become that Star Trek is now bigger than the series that it actually has and is like, yeah No going back and watching those old shows. They're great They hold up in most cases in the cases. They don't hold up. Oh my god. Do they not hold up? Holy shit, but the ones that they do hold up really well

Dated shit End of sentence Uh, there's some tng episodes that are like fucking embarrassing like crawling into your like hiding your eyes underneath your shirt embarrassing Yeah Yeah, I liked what I did watch I just there is a never felt inclined. There is a season nine episode Sorry nine seven whatever last season of tng episode in which Picard has to steal back a planet from the indians That's hilarious

Uh, and yes the indians See, I do know that there are episodes where they go to the planet and they be like you cannot Don't fuck with the prime directive. Yeah, right? And so it's all about like leaving the ignorant masses unwashed. Yes But um, in fact, that's how the new movie started, right? So, uh, but yeah the the problem I think Uh is the same thing I with the x-files to me where it's like there was a time when um There's a lot of tv shows that would just kind of be on the air and tv was not something that you sat and watched

Yeah, it happened passively, right? I went to seek out the shows I wanted online later and like in particular anime and whatnot, but like if there's anything I uh If there's anything that was just on the air in this certain time frame Well, like with the exception of like reboot which I had to make an effort Yeah to record and watch when I wasn't home and sketch every episode reboot I had to fight to watch all of it, right? But other shows like the star trek and like x-files I liked it when I happened to cross it because and that was easy because it was always on

But the work to go back and actually catch everything. It just never gripped me in that way. They're all on efflux now Yeah, yeah now, but like it was from it was from an era before Yeah, the I had to I similarly for tng It came on at nine o'clock on thursdays. I think And that was a problem Because tan was my bedtime at the time because I was very young and also Uh, I had fucking scout beavers. I think at like seven on those days So I'd have to fucking haul ass to get home and then my dad would usually tape it

But sometimes he forgot you did beavers too. Yeah, how many badges you get a bunch I have for what all sorts of stupid shit. I don't remember any of that you tie knot I don't know to start a fire Catch a fish. I don't fucking remember. What did you do? I don't remember. I was like six What do you want from me? I did beavers It's um, it's canadian scouts. Well, it's goes beaver scouts uh cubs and then scouts. Yeah I don't know First question comes to us from the funniest thing about scouting was the fucking block car races in which the dads would get all crazy

Do you ever do that? Hmm Was the it was this race and cub scouts where you they gave you a block of wood And some wheels and then there was going to be a race track Which was like a loop that would roll down and the kids were supposed to take it home and work Woodchop it into a different shape so that You would race them and you see who would do it But all the dads half of whom were engineers would look at that block of wood like a fucking challenge for their son's honor

And fucking go crazy And a bunch of them would get thrown out for cheating and having like ball bearings on the inside And dude the activity doesn't matter if you're an asshole parent You're gonna express that no matter what the sport or competitive thing or whether it's show and tell Or whether it's fucking lemonade stands. Yeah, you're gonna be that overzealous piece of shit Looking to start a fight with some other parent because you're just you're too into it I remember one guys dad got thrown out because he had put a like a liquid ball bearing system inside the fucking block of wood And then sealed it up so that the weight would always go to the front

And but then when it would level out the ball bearing would go in the middle to keep it stead and it's like Jesus Or the science projects I went to I was at a science fair and the parents were all in there and again It's like whether it's a fucking science fair with the dad assholes Or whether it's a fucking pageant with the with the mom assholes and the parents just living vicariously through their kids You're all garbage people. Hey You need to stop team sport parent Team sport parents going to jail For causing the ruckus because billy's foul rushing the ice

Okay, sport parents embarrassing um Connor says they're humblest scrud lords Uh this week had to help my dad with the family project to repaint the shutters in my house You know the pieces of architectural art aesthetic that serve no purpose and they don't shut. That's right. Anyway, I digress It's autumn in the northeast. It's a wonderful time of year, but in my area It's not yet cold bugs have returned from the hellscape and

Six straight hours were spent with unrelenting ladybug assaults as I was trying to paint We specifically dedicated a ladybug swatting paintbrush because holy fuck. They were everywhere I ask you both regardless of the ecological consequences What member of the animal kingdom has to go humans don't count. I see you pat from connor all of it All of it, okay So i'm gonna say Bedbugs

Bedbugs can fuck off forever. Yeah had them once Not a good time Anyone who's had them knows Bedbugs can absolutely unequivocally fuck right off had a buddy of mine who got bedbugs. It was like a nightmare for months Just like you think he got them all No, he didn't Like spiders in the end are pretty harmless Mosquitoes are garbage and they carry diseases. They also they kill like millions of people. They can go. Yeah, they can go but

Yeah, mosquitos would probably be my number one But I just I stopped living anywhere where mosquitoes were. Yeah, so those people can die for your comfort and your bad Like mosquitoes used to be a problem when I was young and now I don't care about them Because I haven't dealt with mosquito in a very long time. I'm sure if I still lived in verdun I would say moths Because every year but those two are just harmless. Yeah You ever been in verdun in moth season? I lived in granada. Oh, okay, that's fair How big were the moths you dealt with? I don't know about yay big about uh two quarters

Putting together some coins. Are you? Yeah, I noticed that you didn't hold your palm out flat. Is that a moth? Yes Is that a bird? No But it might as well have been Because when it's flapping around at nighttime a browned your fucking light source It looks like a bat. Well, don't don't live there. Yeah. Well, anyway, that's bad. I don't want to hear your complaints about moths All right, that's fair. Could you hear the wings? No, of course not. That'd be silly That's not a real animal. Yeah, okay Um

Well, the granada doesn't sound like a very fun place to live. I don't think it was a very fun place to live Transmog Cosmetics and competitive gameplay Super transmog beasts yet. He says every time you talk about wanting cosmetic and transmog in games All I hear is I just want to play blanka and replace his model with dalsam and his idle animation Why can't I get the look I want that'd be hilarious wasting? Oh, sorry wanting to have your character look like you Uh look good to you is obviously important But play other players need to be able to understand your character from just looking at them

Just think about team fortress twos cleanly designed silhouettes to tell classes apart at a glance Um that would be completely destroyed by piles of hats and garbage hanging off of them or tech in with pool floaties Shower heads and pets floating around the fight are completely obscuring their attacks. You ever see the absolute worst case yourself Though it was modded in king booze model in zangief and cross tech is awful, right? Nearly imagine that but nearly as bad Imagine dark souls invaders and a pile of rags who smash you and with your greatsword which they're poise Uh, which they poise through because all right. Yeah, I actually have trans I can already understand and so on and so on and so on

I know that the single player stuff is usually Where it should be up to you But this conversation almost always comes up with multiplayer games whether it's an MMO or competitive Or even something like monster hunter in comparative incorporated cooperative settings. You're playing with some randos You want to have an idea of what they have going on? Yep, he's completely right. Uh, good thing when I talk about transmog and glamour I explicitly and only talk about games in which that applies to your characters in Cooperative pursuits in competitive games such as f of 14 which your character can

Make themselves look whatever the fuck they look like your stats are all normalized and your class is a big fat badge Next to your name so that you know exactly what the fuck that character does. Thank you very much in monster hunter Doesn't fucking matter. What are the other people look like? What are they holding? What are you holding? You can tell fuck off a hundred percent of the time in destiny. What does it matter what your teammates look like? It doesn't matter for shit Um, I what this person is getting the we don't want transmog and fighting games What are you talking about this person's getting confused with the clear silhouette design thing of like fighting game characters

Overwatch team fortress that yes, that's strong art design when you're designing a unique character I don't care about transmog and shooters. That's like in first person. This is a different discussion. It's a different genre It's a different approach entirely the reasons behind why you're making a strong silhouette is because that is a set unique character Yeah in that game like if you're Transmog is really important for character if for games in which you have a persistent character that you build up and you want to customize them In come like in cooperative endeavors. Yeah And and again, there's other ways if you if your only argument is I need to know what they can do

There's ways to do that besides Sticking them with what they the same unique look you can put the class above their head Which is really common. You can see that that guy is holding A charge a charge blade or a fucking Whatever it's no matter how goofy those fucking weapons Look in monster hunter and sometimes they can get really goofy looking you know what within one swing You know what is that a horn? Yeah, it's a hunting horn. Yeah. Is that a long sword? Is that an axe? There it is

There's other ways to give you that information that don't have to stifle Someone's ability to I understand and I appreciate the effort that you made to your email But unfortunately sir, you are arguing with no one you're completely yours The wrongest and most off it's ever been that's not true. That's an over exaggeration, but nonetheless yet. I'm sorry. You missed the mark um You try like as I was reading it. I'm just like you're you're mixing genres like and also tech in with floaties That exists. Have you seen tech in matches with the custom characters? They look like nonsense

Yeah, they certainly do also Tech it happens to not have characters holding weapons all the time so sometimes it does I mean something but I mean like you put a gun on your back and you shoot it But custom characters in soul caliber are much less of a thing than they are like you can tell you can still you know who you're fighting Yeah, because they have a weapon. You know, I know it's awesome I never and then the game still tells you ultimately it says. Yeah, that's fucking that's kazoo. Yeah, what? Yeah, but uh, anyway, um That that that that uh And let's take one from uh, Philip. He says they're dreadlords and dungeon keepers

So tomorrow is the reset in d2 seems like I've missed my chance at completing the new raid this week Unfortunately means I've missed out on my chance to buy the sweet jacket via bungee rewards For those who don't know br is a program that allows you to purchase certain real world collectibles if you complete certain in-game achievements I'm disappointed I did some I missed out on the jacket, but I guess it just means I didn't deserve it Uh, I think a program that encourages you to get better at the game if you want sweet memorabilia is a great way to uh Market merchandise makes me wonder. How do you feel about ideas that? Make you have to earn the right to buy some of the best merch

Giving each item a certain level of prestige after you get it. I think it's just to get it. I think it's interesting. Um One of uh, uh quiet shy's mods from us rabbit. Uh, one rosalind Who I've been playing a lot of testing with she is very nice very helpful She sure put us through uh, the last wish raid, which was fantastic um She got that shirt And I think she put up a post on twitter that was like I beat every single fucking raid and did all the challenges and all I got What's the stupid t-shirt? Yeah, um, I think it's a cool idea, but if it's still a prohibitively expensive item

It's not it's just a purchase shirt. Okay, then that's um, but jacket sounds way, but you had you had to do every single raid achievement possible Which are extreme they are a they're a lot. Yeah Uh, uh, plague says slog to pay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I know I I understand that Like again, I I feel like there's a way to do that horribly and there's a way to do it There's something that uh, there's something that 14 does which it has problems with it But the idea is cool Which is they have a a pvp thing called the feast which is a 4x4 v4 thing and they have seasons of it

And the top 100 people in the season get a unique mount or a unique piece of armor that will never come back ever So when you see somebody with it, you're like, oh That dude's really good at the feast Problem is is people win trade themselves into the top But hey, it really is just the opposite version of the kfc fat chocobo though It's like the reverse order of the real world item leads to in-game rewards. Yeah in-game Effort leads to a real world item. Yeah. Yeah

Personally, I think they should send the item to you for free That would be nice But the nicer the item gets the more that's a difficult thing to do understandably Um, I get big ups to ross. Thank you very much for helping us get through last wish Yeah, if you s-rank every floor of bloody palace, they should send me that neuro jacket Yeah, they should We have to put up a video of you doing it legit You have to do it in front of them. Yeah with some judges. Yeah, do it again

And lastly, let's take one from Chris. He says they're dreads and balding llc. Damn it China has a consumer population of 1.8 billion people Howard companies supposed to hold on to their values when the potential population to pander to overshadows every single country in north america and europe They don't there's no ethical consumption under capitalism So this is ultimately Always going to come down to being a question of ethics and morals. Yeah, it's there is the dollar if you're Acting in a strip strictly capitalist nature with like

Um, no other variables to include then you're correct. Yeah, the numbers say that Fuck freedom The numbers say do the bad thing, right? Unfortunately the history of planet earth long though it may be the There is a very short period of time in which humans were on it and that period of time has involved a lot of things that

were The numbers say you should do this, but it was not the right thing to do so Currently so the numbers as an argument is not the bottom line, but Well, really the bottom line is make money That's the but the bottom line is make money, right now now Who are you in life? Are you someone that actually agrees with that?

Or are you someone who is aware that this is the way they operate and thus are just ready to shrug because That's what well, there's that's how you operate. Here's the thing at the current time Blizzard hat the people say that China has a consumer base of 1.8 million people. Sorry billion people. It's not exactly true It has a potential consumer base of 1.8 billion people Currently china only makes up for example Let's talk about blizzard only makes up about 15 percent of their income Right because blizzard is not all that popular in china part of that is not being a chinese company

Part of that is china doesn't push them like china likes to pick favorites Even if you had to give or take a billion, right? Yeah, but sure, but what i'm saying is right now china only represents 15 percent of Blizzards it is the kind of thing where these are kind of hedging bets in the future become a no name in this area So it's a bigger deal for companies like the nba. Sure, but what I mean is is that? there This this is looked at as free money. All we got to do is Make him happy not do this not to this make him happy money money money

Take that skeleton out of the the part where it starts to fall apart is where all of your existing markets go. Hey fuck off now that hasn't happened yet and boycotts are very far away because whatever but like It is interesting to see How these kinds of things can endanger the home market. Do I think they will endanger the home market? No, because most people don't give a shit right

um But On that thing it's a bad look the word gets around. Yeah, look who cares, but it doesn't you know like yeah No, no, I get that ideally there needs to be some sort of per country federal Thing that goes hey, but if you're gonna base and sell your shit in this you have to abide by certain Whatever at the same time like you can't write off every example of like um

that type of decision being made affecting the business because like I did read There was a report somewhere about how much money the nfl lost After the whole kneeling scandal right and like the nonsense that that followed And like the the bad press and that it So um That does exist and clearly the fact that they you're hearing people bend over backwards and double speak to try and not piss off

Either side. Yeah, that means that they're trying their best to douse the fire on one side and Ignite the fire on the other you know, um but Yeah, I think the problem ultimately is going to come down to like if you're Trying to project yourself as again like a company that's operating with a slug line like every voice matters Then when you have to be beholden to that you look like a fucking fool. Yeah, but looking like a fool doesn't hurt business Not usually

boycotts hurt business But lizard is planning to announce the diablo 2 remaster and diablo 4 And I think overwatch 2 at this blizzcon and we will see just how disappointed we can be but looking like looking like a how All those memes and all those hong kong fucking with them Disappear after those announcements my brain is doing the thing where you say the thing And I have to think about the thing before you even though you moved on to other stuff But looking like a fool is a result of doing something bullshit. Yeah, and the bullshit action is the bigger point that leads to the boycotts

Yeah, it's all I mean we're talking about the games industry games industry doesn't do boycotts People say they'll do boycotts. They don't do boycotts Yeah, I know that's true, but I mean that or rather not for a long time, but at the same time um We're getting off topic because I was going to say that like uh the There is something tangible to the bad press when it prolongs for an extended period of time. Sure, right? Blizzard's issue with this whole thing is not going away anytime soon Especially since the hong kong issue is not going away anytime soon as long as those two are in as long as one of those is in the news

The other's gonna be the other's gonna be in the news and guess which one is gonna last longer. Yeah, right? So, um When it comes to that email just about like hey, man, look at the amount of people here Yeah, how are our uh federal intervention is the answer to that that is how that Becomes a thing because if you're looking at what we talked about last time where it's like Hey, there's a giant list of companies that have slowly been like Influenced by china in these different ways and they've purchased in at different. Yeah, right and we talked about 10 cent and all that shit. Um The the the the claw that reaches in and holds down Uh everything according to what china wants to hear

Has more and more influence and you can't really untie yourself from that uh Without federal intervention It says a lot about the way the world currently works that because you can't expect these companies to just agree to Forfeit a bunch of their shareholders. Yeah It says a lot about the way the world works based on a country that is ostensibly a communist state is showing everybody How a capitalist corporate dystopia works? Right like

Yeah, the bill got killed. Hey one guy in the chat the bill got killed, but they're still fighting for the five individual things money They announced the bill was going to get killed a while ago. That's not the news story getting formed, buddy Uh the money. Yeah the the fact that we're talking about a uh a situation where um This is entangled you can't expect them to just forego these profits. There's no reason to ever have a company shareholders Don't give a fuck. They'll never let go of shareholders don't even give a fuck about reality in a lot of cases They're never gonna they're never gonna let go of that, you know, um, this is actually really similar to wrestling But instead of china saudi arabia and china. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's and saudi arabia has like the most insane

Demands like one we want people that are are Retired to come back and win. We want the title to change hands here We can't have the the women folk out like this We can't have people from certain countries out here and the one that got me the Best was for the first saudi show One of the guys was like, yeah, and we want yoko zuna there And the response came back Dude, he's dead

Yeah, and the answer we want yoko zuna there. So they dressed up a guy like yoko zuna And pretended that he was fucking alive. I didn't hear about that. That's insane. That's wild. That's fucking wild um So the part of this conversation that like I you know, I have a bunch of times and like to you know Getting keeping up with these and everything would inevitably lead to like so there's There's the version. There's there's what we're talking about. They asked for ultimate warrior, too. Jesus So there's what we're talking to be fair. There's more than one There's literally a guy who's the warrior. Yeah, so there there's so there's hearthstone

Paper held up in front of a webcam. It was funny on one end of the like Where are your ethics? Yeah, and then on the other end there is yo, a dude went into A consulate and got chopped to pieces and we're still okay with doing business. Yeah, right Like there's a point where you go. Okay. Yeah It's very obvious that this is the bad Well, we're not going to dive into what countries are doing what dirt because a lot of countries are doing a lot of Wildly wild Right

So it is impossible to expect that like There will be a a a um A sudden change In the way business is done. Yeah, and people will just see the lights. Yeah, people don't care. This is mine. You know uh But that doesn't mean that doesn't but that doesn't change the fact that like When you when it comes down to trying to trample on individual people saying things in this manner You're gonna get called the fuck out on it. The problem is it's going to be a continuing problem lizard is a u.s. company

And americans more than anybody else Love to tell you what they fucking think especially if you tell them not to If you tell the american people hey shut up there you think no No, this is the last place in the world that they're gonna go stop talking about this Okay, good that problem got dealt with whoo whoo now the americans will be quiet. No Yeah, blizzcon's gonna be a riot. Yeah It's difficult it's difficult because when you have to when you zoom out to frame the whole thing, right? There is What would be ideal?

And then there is what is Right and and then there is how naive are you for thinking or hoping that things would be ideal, you know um Extremely so it's like I'm like as you as you grow older you grow more cynical I'm more inclined to believe that it's dumb to think that Like that any of that would apply and just see like a like a like a fucking blizzard logo talking to like a teenage Uncle sam being like would you just shut the fuck up? Yeah, um, fuck you man. You don't tell me what to do

You There there was never a question that like the order of the day is like what what what what saves money what makes money and uh That'll always be the case. I guess I'm trying to think about how the fine line Like all right. Here's the fine line should be approached. Here's the fine line. All right Because my inside because inside I'm I like I mean I like it makes me want to go Yeah, don't fucking do that to begin with And you won't have that problem. Yeah. Well, yeah

The problem's worth it So here's what I want to happen. Here's the fine line, right? I want Uh a blizzard man to walk out onto the stage and go All right, everybody who's excited for diablo 4 and somebody in the crowd yells out free hong kong And he goes okay and pulls out a tear gas canister and just chucks it into the crowd And then it's on You're right pat. I too don't know the answer

Have a good week everybody be safe. Goodbye You You You You You You