Castle Super Beast - CSB 044: Controller Reveal Party

Episode Date: November 21, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:00 ["Hammond trong Alvier ukulele"] ["Hammond trong Alvier ukulele"] Stadium knew that it could not change society and so it decided to blame the beasts. Heaven or hell. How? How? Wow. Okaaaay, so the podcast is being recorded on Wednesday, November 20th, due to delays in shipping your wooly. However, what this does mean is that we are able to get that hot take of the Stadium launch event wooly. What is your hot stadium take?
Starting point is 00:01:18 My hot stadium take, and I thought the only stadium take that mattered was Gene Park's take of the Washington Post. Yeah. Who posted a GIF of the, you know, pictures, a thousand words. Yep. By that token, a GIF is a million words because there's more frames, so it's quite simple, really. It looks a little something like this. He has his keyboard, he holds his up, and he presses the button, and then you look at the screen, and then you watch the character jump, and then he looks back at you, and he holds his hand up, and he has time to press the space bar, turn to you, and hold his hand up, and then the character jumps. So I think what's extra crazy isn't when he hits the, he's playing Destiny 2, isn't that he hits the space bar, and there's a full second, a full appreciable one Mississippi before his character jumps.
Starting point is 00:02:22 It's even worse than that because he jumps twice in that video. The first jump looks fine. The second one is different. So it's not even consistently bad. It's terrible. Like in the descriptions I read is that 80% of the time it's okay, but then that last 20% of the time it is an unplayable mess. Do you remember what I said should be their presentation? I do.
Starting point is 00:02:52 Not. Okay. I said their presentation should be someone walks out on stage with a controller and presses a button, and then the video feed response. Like it's literally, like I literally made the joke, and here it is. Here it is. So shout outs to Gene for basically bringing that to life. And of note, you should go check out that Washington Post review. It's scathing, but more importantly, it was tested on two systems.
Starting point is 00:03:22 One, the in office Washington Post fiber internet, which is the fastest shit you're going to get as a consumer or even most times as a business in a major metropolitan city, the capital of the United States. No less. And his home, which was like 300 ish megabits or so, whatever, which is high consumer grade internet for most people in the United States in a major metropolitan area. God forbid we're talking about whoever the fuck, wherever Oklahoma, South, where your name like Plague Town, right, where you're using satellite fucking internet. I've been I've been busy. So I did not. I did not. Well, one sleep.
Starting point is 00:04:08 You had one sleep. I did not sleep. Oh, I had very, very bad sleep. We have a lot of sleepy podcast over here, but today is extra special. Big, big breakneck video editing, uploading things going on. But what were the what? What are the highlights? I mean, you said there's like 20 stories.
Starting point is 00:04:31 I will run you down some shit because I'm just like, yeah, that that one you might. Yeah, that's that's obviously the one that's that's the docket story. So in order that I can remember, the launch lineup was released in between last week and this week, which was 12 games of which 25 percent of the more Tomb Raider. Because of parts, because there were three Tomb Raider games on it solid, right? And then 12 hours before the system launched, they went, oh, shit, and added 10 more games. Yeah, which is I heard that. What? Like those were ready. Don't like I heard that it fucking latency tests come back with like an extra 40 to 80 milliseconds of latency on everything compared to your average setup.
Starting point is 00:05:25 The day that Stadia launched. Well, two things happen in regards to the physical launch. One, people were getting the founders edition people were getting emails and say, hey, man, there's a problem with your order. You it's your order's been placed on hold. All you got to do is click this link and go and make sure you know, click yes or whatever and your order won't be on hold and you know, it'll go through. And the average experience from that would be that you would click on it and then it would tell you your order was canceled. Right, because they massively underproduced it even for their stupid estimates. I saw the Reddit banner of multiple people going wide by shit get canceled.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Yeah, bonus, the day that these products actually shipped out, they shipped out via your average shipping Amazon or Google UPS, whatever. And people were getting them nine in the morning, 10 in the morning and they're like, cool, except Stadia console is just a Chromecast ultra that you plug in what is essentially an unlock code into it to make it a Google Stadia. But the emails for the that code for many, many people just didn't go out. So it is if you bought a PlayStation and it was a DVD player until Sony emailed you to tell you how to turn it into a PlayStation. And that went on for most of the day. But is it physically a Chromecast? It's really it's just a Chromecast ultra because remember Stadia is a website. You're the one who discovered the secret.
Starting point is 00:06:57 This is true. Stadia is just a website. They're sending you a thing to play it on. Yeah. Yeah, right. Um, yeah. And but the I mean, the website version, that doesn't exist yet. Um, just watching footage of this thing is the funniest fucking thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:07:16 And the bonus is that you read the troubleshooting guides that people went through when they contact to Google and we're like, hey, this thing fucking sucks. So the big pitch for Stadia is, dude, it's like super cheap. You can use it on your existing devices, right? You it's easy, right? Yep. Here comes the troubleshooting guide. One, make sure you have an ethernet cable. Two, make sure your router's in the same room as your device.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Three, maybe get a better router. And there's a PC gamer guide to all the equipment you should buy to make your Stadia run better, which comes up to like two hundred and fifty dollars, which fucking nullifies the whole premise. I say like, yeah, there was the other thing I saw was like a collection of like headlines and like the headlines on all these review sites were basically trying to like outpun each other. Oh, yeah, with different ways of saying just fucking don't just don't like that's all they were trying to say. But they're finding different ways of, you know, like whatever, like, I think the saddest thing is this is like the review units or whatever, right? They were sent out primarily to people in big American cities and especially San Francisco, where all the tech writers are. You know, the the the capital of the of the Google Digital Valley.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Yeah. And it doesn't work there. So where the fuck is this thing supposed to work? Now, wasn't there like a but also a bit of a story where like this was pushed back a bit because it was supposed to be out. Yeah, it was supposed to be out a couple weeks earlier. Yeah, it was supposed to be out last month. Yeah. Um, and and, you know, then there was somewhere that I read someone's something, you know, this is someone somewhere, somewhere, said something, yeah, and to the effect of somebody said it, a lot of developers are afraid that Google's just going to like Oh, that was a that was a series of quotes from developers going, yeah, I don't think this thing's going to exist.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Right. So so that's what's the people are like not spending their time with this for that purpose, because it's like then it goes away. There's there's all little bonus like baby ones like, hey, you know how it's an ethics for games, even though it's not an ethics for games at all, because you still have to buy the games. Yep. Well, let me tell you, if you buy a Stadia subscription, you can get Destiny two for free, a game that literally went free to play two months ago. No, that deal got fucking made before the cutoff date. Like that is stupid.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Like Stadia, as technology, like in the most optimistic way, when it eventually works, because we've been through on live. Yeah, we've been through multiple iterations. The other ones, the other one that was not on live. Yeah, you remember that one? Yeah, they're that one. And I've also watched PlayStation now. I have played PlayStation now. It's OK.
Starting point is 00:10:46 I've watched it work in this house. Yeah, I would probably say PlayStation now in its current implementation is better than the Stadia right now. Yeah. Steph played the entirety of P five over PS now from my Vita TV on a different TV than the one that I'm playing like my stuff on. Yeah. So like, I've seen that do the thing. Stadia, like if and when it ever works, seems like best suited for maybe being middleware slash a value add. It's no chiral network.
Starting point is 00:11:24 I'll fucking tell you that. No, it's not a chiral network. It certainly is not. It feels like it's at best. It could be middleware or a value add that they could like approach existing consoles with to be like, yo, you might be able to like, you know, pitch the idea of people playing on different screens. Well, I should point out that like Microsoft is doing like Microsoft is doing a cloud now or some shit. Yeah, they're doing something.
Starting point is 00:11:53 X-Cloud. X-Cloud is really similar, except they're tying it to their game pass thing, which is actually Netflix for games. Yes. That's that. So that's one big part. And also one Sony and I mean, Google is a big fancy tech company. Yes. But hey.
Starting point is 00:12:10 But Sony and Microsoft make fucking games. But hey, hey, X-Cloud is already dead in the water. Why is it 720p and nowhere near the power of Stadia. Did you see? Did you see? Is that from Thor on Twitter? That's Thor. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Thor, you fucking you bodied him Thor. Oh, man, you got him, Thor. Got him. You won tweet Twitter account that follows only the Google study official Twitter account. Not to be fair, it's it's very easy for someone to just do that. Yeah, you're right. Because that's a hilarious thing to happen. Oh, totally.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Right. It's very easy for someone to make a fake account and then make it follow one account. Just create an astroturf. And then go exactly go defend Stadia and then come and post a screenshot of it. Very easy. It takes about 10 minutes. But still, though, it's still funny. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Yeah, I don't care if it's real. Yeah. Um, I feel really good that our initial we had, we went through like a like a process with Stadia, which was like skepticism tinged with a hint of anxiety. Worry, right? I remember when I was worried, followed by like gut busting, like hilarity, laughter, which is also immense relief, followed by excitement for shit, followed up with. Oh, boy, look at this shit.
Starting point is 00:13:51 And it's going to it's like they can't kill it fast enough. I'm going to get many jollies out of this shit. It's fucking bad. Did you? Oh, I forgot. Did you see the press article they put out three, four days ago about what Stadia's competitive edge over the other console says Google's. Sorry, Google put this out.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Yeah, Google put it out. All right. So Google finds that a lot of consoles these days are really masculine focused. So what they're going to do is they're going to appeal to the female gaming market by creating more gender neutral controller colors, such as white and black. That's not real. That's so real. Well, it's so real.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Not even remotely real. Shut up. Google Stadia. Controller color. Come on. Come on. Uh, the videos. It was a couple of days ago.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Well, you'll find it eventually. It's real. That are you sure didn't say hard times? I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure though nowadays it's getting harder to tell the recent hard times where Jeff Kealy admitted that the game awards was just an excuse to hang out with Hideo Kojima thought it was real. Thought it was real. Well, it's good to hear that we're finally going to be able to get
Starting point is 00:15:41 white and black controllers. What do you prefer? Do you prefer because now is the moment, right? Yeah. Now is the moment where you get to choose. Do you choose this ends tonight? At 9 PM or do you choose this ends in 2035? Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:16 I would. I would. Okay. If it ends tonight, do I do I get Phil Harrison, like an interviewing somebody going, yeah, like some pathetic fucking excuse. You get the same press release of video that they did to begin with with the stage and the screen and someone coming out to talk to you to explain why it has to go right now.
Starting point is 00:16:44 I would prefer tonight. You'd prefer tonight, by the way, as opposed to the slowest bleed out. I'm calling. I'm calling 18 months. It'll be gone. Also, let's see. Video games. Chronicle.com.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Google's Google Hope study is gender neutral design. I found it. Oh, you found it. I found it. Okay. And I put my my phone down. It's real. I found it.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Oh, yeah. That's all. And green green is the is the gender neutral color. Nice. Yes. That's cool. I didn't know that thing. That's that's information.
Starting point is 00:17:20 How about that? Because there's never been a motherfucking green Xbox controller, you know, too many years, quite frankly, of blue and pink controllers. Yeah, I think I think that shit needs to stop. We need to stop with these blue and pink controllers all over the place. Just being the default controllers like of every generation. Pink is a really rare controller. There's the Minecraft Xbox controller cut like the pig one.
Starting point is 00:17:54 And reds gender neutral, like red's a common color for controllers. But it can be like either or like, what the fuck? That'll save steady. Oh, sure. One like that's actually applicable there. Yeah, someone got told to write good news. Aren't most colors that are not pink and blue? Oh, are my just about 95% of colors throw a dart at the color.
Starting point is 00:18:25 There's a couple purples that I think if you throw a dart at the color wheel, will you not just pretty much land on? I think there's a couple thing that a couple purples that are a little pinkish. So people say they're girly, but I stills. Yeah, maybe, but also apparently back in the 1900s, pink was for boys and blue was for girls and it got switched up at some point. Yeah, really? Now, I'm not sure what the switching point was, but yeah, that was a thing.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Well, it's almost like it's completely arbitrary. I was up there, please. Everyone look forward to coming to my controller reveal party. Yes. That will accidentally burn down half the city and murder a lady and crash a plane. Oh, yeah. In the process of showing you the color of my controllers. No, that's always a good time.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Wow. OK. That went places I was not expecting. It's it's it's a it's a fucking shit scramble. Oh, and also people have gotten their hands on the Stadia controller. I'm going to paraphrase skill up. I'm a big fan of who got a hold of it and described it as that piece of shit that you would give your little brother because the good controller was yours. The lightest, flimsiest piece of shit he'd ever used.
Starting point is 00:19:59 I love so much how everyone gets that. Like everyone this generation understands exactly what that controller was. What the wire was chewed out and the fucking floppy ass stick was wiggling all over the place. The N64 third party ones were by far the worst. They were so bad. The PlayStation ones were pretty bad, but it was the analog stick that was the point of failure that was unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:20:29 If you talked for like two minutes, you think like like because I could go try to find my worst controller right now. I could try. I'm not sure. I think I have. I think I have like an abortion of a Dreamcast controller or two and probably one of those N64 ones may be a Gamecube one. Give me a second.
Starting point is 00:20:54 The N6. So well, he's going to come back with the stock Dreamcast controller and some old Dreamcast pieces. Shit. Stadia's. Really funny. And more than anything, all I can think of is that it's one of two things.
Starting point is 00:21:15 It's the desire of someone somewhere to get promoted by saying they shipped a product or it is the desire of Google to be like, what kind of stupid bullshit crap can we trick people into not actually owning? All right. Oh, Willie came. But wow, these two rise on this motherfucker right here. Everybody, I want you to Google the words Interact Quantum Dreamcast controller. Enjoy the fucking thing.
Starting point is 00:21:50 It looks like the fucking Wu-Tang controller upside down. Like I want you to touch. Oh, I don't want to touch these triggers. Oh, my God. This is a weird thing to say, but it's so big and so light. Oh, those are the work. Why are they the triggers, despite having what is called a lot of throw in that you have to click them very far, have a lot of resistance.
Starting point is 00:22:21 They have a lot and the resistance isn't even fucking consistent. The whole way down. Now, everyone, I want you to Google GameCube Pelican of the G3 controller. OK, look at this fucking that's not as bad as the thing I'm holding. Nowhere near as bad. It's nowhere near as bad. But again, I want you to feel these triggers
Starting point is 00:22:47 and I want you to feel this the stick. Oh, oh, my goodness. The sticks, the right sticks. OK, the left sticks. Fine. Well, that's a trash. Last but not. Oh, my God. What is up with these triggers?
Starting point is 00:23:08 It feels like the same one is that if they're super long and they have tons of resistance, there's it's wild. And it's crazy because the GameCube right trigger was really bad. It's one of the worst that ever shipped on an official one. But this is just terrible. Last but not least, I want you guys to Google the hip gear. Oh, my God, layers, gamepad for the GameCube and take a look at this fucking thing over here.
Starting point is 00:23:37 That looks like from far enough away, like it could be official like in terms of its shape. So the main thing, the main thing here is the C stick. OK, I got this and here you get that. All right. All right. All right. All right. The triggers are actually fine on this one. This one. Yeah. Yeah. The buttons are fine.
Starting point is 00:23:59 The regular analog stick is fine. The deep adds good. Oh, this C stick. Oh, my God, that is horrible. Yeah. Yeah. That is the fucking worst. It's got like increasing resistance as you pull it out. So it's super small.
Starting point is 00:24:21 It's like a nipple. It hurts your thumb. It hurts your thumb to press it. Oh, I don't like it. That that thing, you know, playing Mario Party, playing whatever the fuck, having to wiggle that C stick around. And it doesn't it doesn't come out far enough that you could use your palm either.
Starting point is 00:24:38 No, um, we had another one that's like lost to the ages, but it had a fan in it that literally blew air at your hands to cool you down while you sweat because that was a feature people needed. So predating the term sweaty. No, I'm I kept a bunch of these fucking things, dude. Those are abominations. You never know. You never know. It says a lot that like I've used types of these like
Starting point is 00:25:07 right, these types of controllers, pelican hip gear. But I never ever actually used an old mad cats because no one I knew was stupid enough to even attempt to buy one because they looked like even from 10 feet away, you could see that it was the worst piece of shit. You can you can judge the plastic and see how shiny it is. Yeah, yeah, it's the it's the level of shine. And just no, you don't want to hold that to shiny bad.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Not shiny enough, also bad. And I'm kind of salty because I threw out I had a purple Dreamcast controller where like the stick on it broke off and just became a pin. Oh, my God, sticking out at you. And that's what was underneath the the like the if you pressed the the stick in too hard, the top layer and gave away to a pin that was it was balancing on. So at any given moment, you could fucking stab your fingers
Starting point is 00:26:08 in addition to it feeling like the garbage is like the worst plastic. Yeah, I feel that it's really appropriate that we're or going through all this old obsolete second rate trash or third rate trash after talking about the Stadia. Yeah, yeah, it just it is what it is. Oh, Christ, I forgot. I forgot the single biggest piece of Google troubleshooting advice when you play your Stadia.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Make sure no one else in the house is using the internet at the same time. Because it can't handle it. No, which instantly kills it for 99 percent of consumers. Wait, what's the recommended up? Oh, it's lower than it is. Like they'll tell you what the recommended up is, but it's not it's not true. Because nowadays, like what the fuck at like like multiple devices are going to like the average house.
Starting point is 00:27:15 My current house is going down internet data at all times. The average house is going to have two people's phones and a computer and a laptop 24, 24, 7. Right. Connected to that thing. Right. Like, all right. So let's break it down who the Stadia is for. One, they live in a major American city. Preferably, San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Two, they are single with no kids so that no one else can steal the internet juice. Three, they're really interested in playing video games, but not the latest games and they don't have a console already. Yes. Those three things don't mix. If you're single, real single and you're into games, you're playing games already.
Starting point is 00:28:13 You're putting your disposable income into the dumb bullshit like the video games. Could this situation create a moment where someone literally has to yell over and say, mom, get off the phone. I need to try to play my Stadia. Like, maybe could we actually go back to those years going back? Because that would be fucking fantastic series of tweets in which a guy described working at a computer company called Sun Microsystems.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Oh, my God, Sun Microsystems. I used to buy computers from them. Right. Sun Microsystems. Yeah. And Sun Microsystems was going out of business because they were getting fucked. So they they and this was a long time ago and they decided, OK, what can we make and then sell and they created what is essentially a desktop computing version
Starting point is 00:29:09 of the Google Stadia like a decade ago or more. And the way it would work is that you would have a blade. And it was this. It looked like a Nintendo Wii. Like it was it was angled off your desk and you would come in and you would put in what looked like a it would your company ID card would have a chip in it and you would plug it in and it would pop up your desktop because it was all running off a super server somewhere else in the building. And this person described that it was absolutely incredible for office work
Starting point is 00:29:42 because you would go to your boss and be like, dude, I don't know how this works. And he's like, OK, let me see your shit. And you would plug the card in and your fucking desktop would come up and it was the craziest shit ever. Yeah. And then they went to sell it and never sold it once because there was literally no pitch to the average consumer because you needed this massive server and what like it's a computer company. Of course, they have a fucking massive server in the bay, right?
Starting point is 00:30:08 And but the average consumer, it didn't mean shit. It was back in the who was and he takes the example of that's what Stadia is right now. Instead of going, hey, what do people want? They go, what can we sell? Right? What do people want? They want Netflix for games. That's a legitimate value. Even if it played like shit, if you told me ten bucks a month,
Starting point is 00:30:32 you get access to what the fucking week with the Nintendo Virtual Library should be. Tons of people will hop on that. That's a great deal. Once again, Xbox Game Pass actually exists. But what can we sell? Well, we don't have the cloud in the gaming space to actually make those deals because people don't trust us. Yeah. So we'll just say buy the subscription and then buy the thing.
Starting point is 00:30:55 And then consumers go, wait, why should I buy the thing and then buy the sub? And then you take away the thing instead of just buying the thing over there? Now, is it am I naive for thinking that like there if this was pre alphabet Google, you know, that we would have heard about Stadia as a background project being developed on the campus and it would have been tested for years. And yeah, you would you would you would see interviews and somebody got something interesting. We got we're kind of looking at gaming right now. The code name is Stadia.
Starting point is 00:31:32 It's like a distributed thing. And they'd be kind of open about it. And they're like to like right now we were trying to get the lag down. When we first started, it was like really, really massive spikes. Now we're getting those down and kind of pinging. And you know, but like it would have been this like in progress. It would be somebody's fucking work project that some people were just exactly on their free time that they get paid for at the campus to just be like,
Starting point is 00:31:55 yeah, see if you can figure out this and they're paying for it. Because they're like, well, if you nail this one, we're going to make shit. Zillion dollars. So keep working on it until you die. I mean, like or and at or it just goes the way of Google Glass. Or it's like, hey, we have this interesting idea. Yeah. Maybe it'll be something. And then it's like, no, people got creeped out by it. Well, Google's internal culture has very obviously changed over the past couple of decades.
Starting point is 00:32:15 And then let's just sell it to companies. But yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like the idea of like shipping a like shoddy ass, incomplete, unready thing way ahead of time, not caring about how it actually applies when you try to turn it on or not trying or not caring about the end result of like the environment you're going to be in when you try to use this technology and saying that people will just get used to not owning what they purchased
Starting point is 00:32:46 is so irresponsible and silly that like the idea of brute forcing, it doesn't seem like a Google move. Jim Sterling, that older Google sense in his typical way, pointed out something really smart, which is a Phil Harrison quote, which we made fun of at the time, which was that, well, ISP. Oh, God, it's so stupid. ISPs want to make their customers happy. So it's in their interest to raise data caps to meet the thing of Google Stadia.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Yeah. And it's like, one, that might be the most naive thing I've heard about telecoms ever, but two, Google is currently fighting, I think Comcast in the Kansas City area, tooth and nail in court over they want to just install internet in general and Comcast or whatever companies there is like, nah, man, nah, fuck off. Right. How does Google not know that? It's almost like they're pretending to not know that, almost as if they're ignoring that that minor detail.
Starting point is 00:33:51 The the PlayStation will teach them discipline. Oh, right. Oh, my God. And so a lot of people don't know what the fuck you mean by that, because that's old. That's an old quote. That's that's that's classic Ken from 10 years, 10 years ago. Yeah, maybe maybe more than that. Eleven, I think maybe more than where the PlayStation three was
Starting point is 00:34:12 announced at five hundred and ninety nine US dollars. And when people went, what the fuck, man? Ken Kuduragi, the father of the PlayStation, said, I want this to be a high value luxury item. I want people to have to go get a second job to pay for this. And then Ken Kuduragi went away. Forever, the PlayStation three will teach them discipline. Our product will bend the market towards itself.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Right. So, yeah, not to mention that other thing from years ago where Google wanted to bathe North America in Wi-Fi via satellites. Not sure what happened to that, but satellites are expensive. Well, there's that. And there's also a fuck ton of companies that have a very vested interest in seeing that not launch and would probably invest in a small land to air missiles, land to space in an attempt to catch it in mid flight.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Now this thing going to happen, we'll take the fine, we'll take the fine. A fucking Comcast labeled surface to air missile. Try to intercept it as Google launches it like fuck you, man. No way. Are you getting that off the ground physically and metaphorically? So the Stadia is exactly what everyone thought it was going to be. The overwhelming cynicism of the internet, like the the internet in its in its plurality has become a hyper accurate, cynical product viewer.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Oh, yeah. And I'm I'm I'm preparing to stare that down like this week, actually. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because it happens when it happens, you know. But that like that the new guilty gear is not the old guilty year. No, you know, so that's that's something that happens for sure. But but yeah, Stadia Stadia, whatever you want to call it, who cares? Yeah, is one of the few that it's one of the few that comes along.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Like in that fallout 76 kind of way, we're just like, oh, this is all deserved because like, what did you think would happen? What did you think? Did you did anyone at Google think that this thing was going to launch and people were going to be so enraptured by the concept that they literally like imagine that it was better than it was? Or how did your market research team not bring you back? Something that was just a big red bar?
Starting point is 00:37:05 I am not yet. I am very much in the belief that there are two types of people who worked on the Stadia. The true believer, Silicon Valley, San Francisco person in which was responsible for testing the real I'm using big fucking air quotes on this real world conditions of only testing the Stadia in the Bay Area. And the person who goes, oh, yeah, I know this thing's going to fucking fail, but we need to ship it to show the company that we were working on something.
Starting point is 00:37:39 What flopped harder, the Stadia or the Ooya? Oh, God, the Ooya came out. You could purchase one and play a video game on it. The Ooya was crowdsourced. It did exist. And it did the thing that it said it would do. It just wasn't. It just sucked. It just people just didn't want it.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Now, I will say that the Ooya does have, to my knowledge, the worst controller ever released with any console of all time. Did you not just hold? No, no official controller. Yeah, you are also that's no. OK, hit me because you have to remember the Ooya official controller was so bad that you could press in on buttons and they would go underneath the shell and become stuck permanently.
Starting point is 00:38:30 The Panasonic three dough. Oh, yeah, that's I forgot. I forgot about the whole the whole side generations. The whole the whole hole. Yeah, there was a hole in the controller that gave your thumb blisters when you pressed it, right? Yeah, yeah. And the whatever one it was, one of the old ones that was just a TV remote.
Starting point is 00:38:52 So that's the Coleco vision or something. I mean, if you go back far enough, sure. You know, man, Atari really nailed it with that first one. There's also those hotel room consoles that would have a half remote, half controller sometimes. Those were wild. Oh, my God. But the three dough or three Dio fucking gave you blisters for using it.
Starting point is 00:39:19 So nah. But anyway, the Ooya came out and did have its games and was a usable playable console. It also cost like ninety nine dollars. There was that. You know, and it was a cube. That's cool. Um, yeah, I think I think
Starting point is 00:39:39 all the current hardware manufacturers in the industry are going to basically just look at this situation, take notes and apply it to late next gen. But push it back another five, guys. You know, and in the meantime, yeah, like we're going to see streaming options on like probably every new every every follow up console to the ones we currently have. I think the craziest thing is that this bullshit gives me a new
Starting point is 00:40:04 appreciation for PlayStation now in that, like, yeah, it's not a very good service, but like it's a little baby side service. It's like a test that you could pay for, I guess, if you wanted. It's it's definitely not like a major push. It doesn't have its own fucking box. Yeah. And to go hand in hand with it, I mean, we're talking about like how like there's the Xbox Game Pass for Netflix, the games thing.
Starting point is 00:40:30 But there's also the fact that like Apple just allowed you to pair your controllers with your phone. Yeah. So like there's the other side of it where you just don't even need to like who is interested in video games and does not have one video game device? Because the study, it doesn't make any sense if you own any other video game device ever. It's probably more along the lines of I want to jump into this generation and I haven't jumped into this.
Starting point is 00:41:02 I'm going to jump into this generation when consoles are the cheapest they've ever been with one year to go before the next one. Like I think that's the funniest thing. We're comparing Stadia to the Xbox one and or and the PS4 when it's like those new ones are coming out next year. Remember, remember when we like used to look at things like the in between generation, like the weirdness of the Dreamcast, the weirdness of the Dreamcast handhelds were always staggered weird, right?
Starting point is 00:41:37 And you're like, what are you doing? You're you're breaking the flow, right? This is in between the four year cycle. And now we're in these way longer than that cycles and we're getting micro mini upgrades and like hardware pushes. I like the long cycles. The long cycles are better. The long cycles are better, not just for the consumer, but for the developers
Starting point is 00:41:57 because the end end cycle games are always like on a system that we finally understood, you know, it takes a while for people to really get it. I really feel the PS2 could have gone for like another two years. No problem. I mean, like it continued for 10 beyond. It's you know what I mean? It's no, but I mean, like a big mainstream two more years. People learn over the course of a generation how to use the console better.
Starting point is 00:42:23 And that comes over the course of releasing multiple games. It's also good for PC players and a lot of PC players would disagree with this because they're stupid, but the longer a console generation goes on, the longer your PC upgrades maintain their value. Yeah, I guess there's that. You don't even steam has a like a fucking streaming screen service. Yeah, like the steam link and exactly like that's all there. Like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:50 So, um, no, that's why this is just such a like it's just a hilarious story because you're like anyone, anyone that had any basic like send someone out to a regular person's house and ask them a couple of questions and maybe plug in your thing and test it like anyone that collected that kind of data would come back to Google and say, yeah, this doesn't work. Well, they they did go out of regular people's houses. They went down to the street in the mission. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:20 And they they talked to a couple of people there and then they they went on a couple blocks further south near the near the you know, the the river is our the the coast of the bay. And then they they talked to those people and then they went down to the GameSpot offices and tested them in that office. And what else do you need to do? Where else do you need to go off the island? What are you fucking crazy?
Starting point is 00:43:43 That's like the wilderness out there. Apparently, they just announced the mobile app. So. Oh, oh, yeah. I forgot about that. You can't buy games on the stadia. Wait. What? You have to use your Google app on your phone to buy games on the stadia.
Starting point is 00:44:04 You have to go to the app store on the yeah, on your phone. The actual box has no way to access its own store. That's a good plan. How is that not the actual first thing? That's a really good plan. You can't. Yeah. OK. No, no store in the in the US on the no nothing. No ability to make monetary purchases.
Starting point is 00:44:36 What if your game has like shut up? Use your phone. You got my showdown has DLC. Use your phone. How is your week? I was all right. I'm going through a sleep deprivation thing, which is really bad. But aside from that.
Starting point is 00:44:57 I'm going to blame Mr. Redis and his funky fetus for this, I say, as I hold up a can of Monster Zero Ultra. The sugar free ones are fine. Yeah, they are there. They're all right. I honestly, it could when it comes down to it, like I judge him by how tangy that aftertaste is and how strong the taurine.
Starting point is 00:45:17 It's a lot easier to drink this as a drink than Red Bull is, I'll be honest. Have you had the rehabs? I've not had the rehabs. You might like them. So if you ever feel like it, you can try out. There's like a monster rehab iced tea, for example. It's a sugar free and it has no carbonation. It just tastes like iced tea.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Hmm. Let's see. Yeah, monsters. All right. But not the sugar ones. The sugar funds taste like piss. They're really bad. And I do need my extra 10 percent stamina. I don't know how the fuck Norman drinks three of these in a in a row. He's not a real person.
Starting point is 00:45:55 Must be the dooms. Must be the dooms. Must be the dooms. Um, where's that? Where's that going? I don't know. I still don't know what dooms is. Damn, how many hours?
Starting point is 00:46:05 Four streams worth. Four streams worth plus plus 10 hours off stream. So 25. Chapter five, chapter four, chapter, chapter four. Um, I don't know. Well, I'm going to talk about this training in a bit. No, fuck, you want to talk about this training now for it? It's really good.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Infrastructure is fun. Here's does the middle of the game drop off with the narrative? You need to be a little more clear in your question. I don't really know. You get a decent amount of propelling the story forward. Yeah, I'm actually really surprised after your mission. The pacing is on point. There is a you haven't hit a part where the games just went.
Starting point is 00:46:50 All right, Sam, here's 10 missions. No, absolutely not. Go do them and we got nothing to say. There are there are there are two things. There are there. I would say there are three, uh, gameplay goals in depth in the death stranding. One is and they'll eventually it's funny. They don't do this at the beginning because there's not there's less choice.
Starting point is 00:47:13 But when you look at your mission screen, there's orders for Sam. And there's regular orders. Orders for Sam will often have one order that has like glowing gold, like energy on it. That's your story mission. All right, the story mission will have a significant amount of at least dialogue over the radio with dead man or diehard man or whoever you're delivering it to. Unique, unique. It will have a it will have usually a cut scene, oftentimes in the rest area.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Or it will have some kind of novel gimmick, like a story mission. Is the first time that you're going to have to go into a highly BT fucked area to get cargo and return it. Yeah, right. Stuff like that. The pacing on those story missions is actually really solid. It basically it usually goes get to the new location, like physically travel there. Then upon scoping out this part, this part, this part, this part, do a tough
Starting point is 00:48:19 delivery usually involves mules, do a long delivery, do a tough delivery in false BTs, right, then do a delivery that goes the entire length of the map that you've explored so far, big event. And they all the pacing is is pretty fucking consistent so far. And after every two of those, you get some new toy. You get everything from a bike or the ability to make a new type of ladder or the unlock ability to make your own safe houses or a little floaty carrier. Does that have any use?
Starting point is 00:48:59 Your own safe houses? Yeah. Yeah. When you start to get to locations that don't let you rest or fabricate equipment. Okay. Because that means the resources required for that were like, they're enormous. Yeah. And they require a special type of resource that you don't even have available.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Okay. But oh, yeah. No, they're the longer you go in the game, the more you get to these, these like these delivery points that don't have the ability to rest at them. Don't have the ability to fabricate equipment. Yeah. So I mean, like on paper, it sounds almost like a like an Ubi Tower, where you get to the tower and then like a few missions around the area to learn the layout.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Well, once you pop people on the network, it's the opposite of the Ubi Tower. Instead of giving you more activities, it actually makes the activities you already have way easier. Have you got, have you got another part where bridges have been showed up? I think that's right around where I. Okay. Because the biggest turning point in the game is all there. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:49:56 The biggest turning points is when new forms of infrastructure unlock. And the first one is the bridge that they showed off in the trailers. And the bridge consistently makes the biggest difference because it nullifies problems. Yeah. It takes a chasm and says who gives a shit. It takes a river that would otherwise be impassable for a kilometer up and down and goes, who gives a fuck? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:23 And I have currently unlocked a second form of infrastructure, which I have spent hours on stream with people building. And everyone's like, yeah, just build it. Woo, it's weird. Wait, Minecraft? No, because the. Are you sure? I'm.
Starting point is 00:50:43 No, the infrastructure that I'm talking about roads. And eventually the map becomes so large. Okay, that building roads is a thing you're going to need to do. But the roads are set. You're not saying I'm going to build a road in this location. You're going to a road spot and saying I want to dump a lot of materials into make a road here might, might, might be Minecraft. Um, Minecraft.
Starting point is 00:51:10 So I was going to argue with you a little harder. Until I saw a video of a man using a zipline system that he spent five plus hours building Jesus fucking Christ that, uh, ziplines extend 300 meters. Right. And the zipline system in the game is actually really intense because it's not, uh, actual rope. It's just like a, a point and those ziplines will connect to any zipline within distance, which means you, it can be a little network.
Starting point is 00:51:41 Right. It's not, it's not like, it's a ski lift of points that you're dropping. Right. But you can say there's like five in a little circle. You can point to anyone in any order. And so this guy just, this guy just spent five hours building them all around the mountains and said, well, wow, don't have to use roads. Don't have to, it can pretend that rivers don't exist.
Starting point is 00:52:03 Yeah. BTs, you are going fucking fast on those ziplines. Like they have no chance. But what about the mules though? Will they use them? No. Okay. Um, so yeah, they're like, I feel like they would sabotage them.
Starting point is 00:52:17 The, the longer you go in the game, the more tools, so the more it's, it's this nice little balance, the more environmental problems you're likely to encounter, the more BTs are everywhere. Yeah. The more mules are taking up big parts of the map and a mechanic that it gets introduced later is that timefall will start to move. Um, and have its own weather pattern that you should plan around. As, as that happens, you will get, you will almost always get a direct
Starting point is 00:52:49 solution to that new problem. Do you find yourself doing a lot of like rust repair? No. Okay. Um, you could just get better protection. You container, do you unlock container spray? Oh yeah. So that will help a lot.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Okay. Most of the stuff that actually takes container damage is stuff you're going to deliver. Uh, the, all the gear that you carry takes damage, which can't be healed. Yeah. But you'll use it. Yeah. You'll use it.
Starting point is 00:53:19 And it doesn't matter until it hits zero. Yeah. Ladders, climbing ropes, all that shit. Yeah. Um, at 1%, it's just as good as at deliverables. It doesn't matter until, unless they actually take damage. Yeah. The container doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Yeah. But the damage, I think of container as armor. Yeah. And then, and then the, and then the life on the item. Yeah. Determine zero gives you less rewards. Yeah. Uh, there have been new types of gameplay.
Starting point is 00:53:44 Like they're, they, they do introduce. Hey, here's melee combat. Well, I don't know what you were going to say. I thought you said they introduce. Hey, like just bear horses. Hey, no, no, that sounds like a Kojima mechanic. No, if you said that, I believe they're like, we've unlocked. Hey, they do, they do in a fashion allow you to unlock wheat.
Starting point is 00:54:18 I'm not joking. Um, but they'll unlock, uh, they'll explain melee combat and melee combat has, I mean, it's not the most in debt, but it's there. It's there. Shooting becomes. Fucking Garot, some other fuckers. Yeah. Shooting becomes more pronounced.
Starting point is 00:54:34 There are shooting sections, which, uh, I feel comfortable saying because they, they did a demo of one at one point. There's the, it's the world war one section that you saw in some of the trailers where it's like, here's a gun, go shoot some ghosts. Kojima retweeted a video of someone, uh, running out of a BT like puddle and turning around and pissing on it. Yeah. And then it went away.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Yeah, they hate it. That's an actual way of fighting back. Well, woolly, the, because of you, you haven't gotten to this point, but you remember how there's blood grenades, right? That they showed off that your blood hurts BTs. Okay. They show that in a demo. It's fluids.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Yeah. It's Norman Reedus. Sorry. Sam, I literally call him Norman Reedus almost the whole time. Yeah. I forget his name is Sam. Norman Reedus is body because he, because he is a repatriate and suffers from the dooms, uh, his bodily fluids, all of them, uh, repel ghosts.
Starting point is 00:55:38 So, uh, you can have sweat grenades. You can have PP grenades. You can have poo poo grenades. You can have blood grenades. And there are a variety of other blood weapons that you will unlock, uh, but men straight and poo on these ghosts and the different to deliver your box of different fluids have different levels of strength. Your poo is stronger than your sweat.
Starting point is 00:56:05 Your blood is the strongest of all. Do we know that for sure? Yes. Because they're named number zero, number one and number two grenades. Zero is sweat. Number one is P and number two is poo. That's why you have the ability to go to the bathroom, sitting down or standing up. What about something a little more viscous?
Starting point is 00:56:27 Mm-hmm. Firepower. No, no, not listed. You know, that shot of the end of the trailer for, uh, I think it was a pitch black where, uh, I want to say Vin Diesel lights up a torch and then all the monsters go, yeah, that's right. Is that what happens every time you bust one out? That's right.
Starting point is 00:56:57 Just. Well, luckily enough, woolly, there's almost no busting any of them out back in the death stranding. That's why you have to deliver them big boxes that come. As opposed to using it. Yes, that's right. Gotcha. Um, the more emails I read and the more interviews I read with characters, the
Starting point is 00:57:21 weirder and more nonsensical this universe Sam, we had no hope. We were all sitting here going, what the fuck? This world is over. America's dead. And then you showed up and you brought some boxes and now we're like, yeah, we can get back out there. We can save America. The smiley face, smiley face, heart thumbs up the level of optimism associated
Starting point is 00:57:47 with the delivery of a pair of old CDs is astonishing. It it's almost like a message written from the ace combat world. Yes. What if the ace combat world became fucked? But the people remain the same. Um, I think the whole game, I think that tone is like underwritten by the fact that the very first big deal delivery is you deliver like kilos upon kilos of oxytocin.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Because people need it to get through the day, which I like everyone's kind of normal, but the only reason everyone is normal is because everyone is just heaving down buckets of anti-depressants because the world's really bad. And you're kind of just waiting for it to end. Yeah, it's in a pretty fucking dire state. Yeah. Yeah, to be fair, a lot of stories about fighting back the apocalypse, like any post apocalyptic story where you have the solution oftentimes will simplify that
Starting point is 00:58:59 solution with like, I don't know, let's say the first plant seen in many years. Oh my God, look, it's a plant guy or the cure to the outbreak. Yeah. Right. Inside of this person, maybe even a baby. Yes. You know, but in this case, like it is cool to see like a much more procedural like fixing of the problem.
Starting point is 00:59:29 It's like, no, it's going to take a lot of work. And you know, you get, you go to the second map after you finish the first, the second chapter and you leave that first map behind going like, yeah, that is in a much better place now just because I did some deliveries. Yeah. Like if Kenshiro actually had to do more than just blow up some heads. Yeah. Maybe plant one tree Kenshiro or like literally like oversee the construction
Starting point is 00:59:57 and you know, like do a little bit of, you know, there is clean up. I'm really enjoying Death Stranding. I'm real. It like it starts to become more like Metal Gear. Ironically, like more like MGS five because you get a gun. Yeah. You get a fucking gun at some point. I mean, it's it's a bowl of gun.
Starting point is 01:00:13 It's a, you know, wrap, sweep up to not, but like it's a gun and you're sneaking and you're a lot of it's still delivering. There's one thing about it that I might be really wrong that I'm like constantly complaining to my chat when I stream it, which is the story is really weird and fascinating and all these things. But there's a couple details that I'm like, don't treat me like I'm stupid. Don't it's it's this is getting really obvious. Okay.
Starting point is 01:00:52 This is getting you're trying to underlay some kind of hidden like maybe. And I'm like, no, it's this. Koji's bad at hiding his cards. There's a really good example that I'll use that is not what I'm talking about, which is the game expects you woolly video game player man to not know what Troy Baker sounds like if he uses a slightly different voice without a Southern accent. Right.
Starting point is 01:01:22 Right. Yeah. And it's like it's happening and the word one, I'm like, are you are you like I was offended. I was like, are you serious? Yeah. Do you really expect me to not obviously know that that's Troy Baker's character? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:38 And I refuse to even consider that a spoiler because you will get one word and you'll go, oh, that's that's Higgs. That's that's he's right there. It's he's just he's talking to me. He's just he's just not Southern right now and he's a little more demure and it's that's just that's that's him. And then they have a huge reveal shot in the flashback of him looking up the campus.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Oh, it was hit. It's like, yeah, I know. I fucking know. Come on. Give me give me a fucking break. Are you serious? Are you are you joking with me? So there's there's that is like kind of all over in which it's like there are
Starting point is 01:02:14 characters looking dramatically towards the sky crying going, what could it mean? And I'm like, this is what it means. I know what it means. That's obviously what it means. Master Miller. What are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:25 Yeah. What are you? Huh? And I really feel like I'm going to get like 90% through the game and somebody's going to turn to the camera and go, it was me all along. I'm going to go. Yeah, I know. And then they're going to have like a like a 10 minute long scene of
Starting point is 01:02:41 standpoint. Oh my God. How could how did you fool me? And I'm like, this is how they fooled you, Sam. You you idiot you idiot. Oh, but then that makes the main character dumber and I don't like that. So that is the best part about the game. Is Sam and Sam not being snake.
Starting point is 01:03:03 I mean, I've seen clips of the shit he says to himself on route. Yeah. And I've heard a few of them and he's just a fucking. He's a big old goofball. You know what Sam is? Sam is a fucking foot trucker. I think the best example is very early in the game when you first encounter Higgs and you first encounter fragile and these two separate occasions are
Starting point is 01:03:29 met with big ass fuck speeches about Kojima shit to which Sam almost verbatim responds, dude, I just want to deliver these packages. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he's not on board for being in the game. In fact, people with that same feeling that don't have the ability to do so probably become mules. Yeah, so. But it's just like big speech with your character going, I don't I don't.
Starting point is 01:04:02 She's yeah. Yeah, what I okay. Don't shoot ghosts at me, man. I got to deliver some cargo. Like it's it's really refreshing and it goes back to something mean you talked about I think a couple months ago in which tired is the best. Yeah, protagonist emotion. But before that cargo.
Starting point is 01:04:23 I got to go drop off some other cargo. Yeah. God bless. Clone high. I'll also say that Mads Mickelson is killing it. Yeah, he's the star. I mean, in the little dream sequences I've seen so far, there's a lot of those. Yeah, I guess so.
Starting point is 01:04:40 You get them every time you rest unless you've exhausted them now to be fair. Would it be naive to assume that anybody that got Mads on a project would not want to save him for hour 90? You know, yeah. No, it's like you not. Would you not want to? So yeah, I'm I'm pretty deep. I just saw Mads Mickelson once outside of those flashbacks and it's
Starting point is 01:05:09 like if he was not in those little visions, he would be fucking absent from huge portions of the game. And that's insane. Right. Yes, like that because all of his friends are front loaded. You got Sam up top. You got Amelia. We used to do as well.
Starting point is 01:05:26 You got Mama soon. Eventually, the only one that shows up last almost is fucking Higgs, but he's Troy Baker, so he doesn't care. You got Totoro San. Yeah, you know, so like, yeah, you got to use the fucking the Trump card. Yeah. That you have in your deck right away and let people know. Yo, Mads fucking Mickelson and the framing device allows Mads to just
Starting point is 01:05:52 soliloquy directly to a camera. Yep. More like dad's Bickelson. Hey, maybe. I don't know what that character is about, but he's really cool. Yeah, well, it's like, yeah, but if you were if you if you are what you say you are, then you wouldn't be calling it by its like tool name. But I don't know.
Starting point is 01:06:17 I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. Who knows what? Yeah, it's a it's a it's a good game. It's a really good game. I still feel like there is a incredibly appropriate and legitimate argument for somebody to go.
Starting point is 01:06:33 This is the shittiest game ever made because it like that beginning portion, the portion that you're doing right now. If you're not on board, yeah, yeah, it is the worst. So this is the kind of game where years from now, if someone comes up to you and is like, man, I fucking hate a death strategy. Like, yeah, okay, I get it. Yeah, that's fine. Okay.
Starting point is 01:06:55 Yeah, like there's no defensiveness. I'm like, I every everything that I unlock. Yeah. Like, let me give you an example. One of my favorite unlocks was a little mobile carrier that sits next to you and you can just put cargo on and it tethers to your ass and it just follows you so you can you can you can just carry like another 100 kilos. Yeah, I was hoping you were going to say like a little like Metal Gear Mark 2
Starting point is 01:07:19 little little like little robot that would wrote like, no, it's a floating little tensors floating disk that you put a hundred extra kilos on and you can you can tether a second one to it. See, here's the thing and I'm like, I'm looking at this thing. I'm like, oh, shit. That means like, oh, man, I can put the cargo on that. That's crazy. And if that doesn't do it for you, oh my God.
Starting point is 01:07:43 And then all the troubles that come with that, of course, turning yourself into a walking 18 wheeler. Yeah, right. But early on they had a moment there's a moment where someone in discussion says that like at first we tried just doing like robot deliveries. Yeah. And that didn't work out. So it makes me kind of wonder like, well, if you had a person there
Starting point is 01:08:06 overseeing it, could you not still have like that's not why robot deliveries didn't work out because people need that human touch, man. That's what created the mules, man. I really feel this game could actually add man to the end of every deep statement. Strands, man. Don't you get it? Sam, we can rebuild America, man. Yeah, man, we do it.
Starting point is 01:08:38 Yeah, get that chiral network up, man. He's good. I'm very eager to talk to you after the next section because read read it to anybody playing Death Stranding, read all those emails and interviews. Nukes are bad, man, man. Woolly. I'm gonna, I'm gonna sit up and I'm gonna stare woolly in his eyes. This is a Hideo Kojima production.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Nukes are bad, man. Yeah. You can't get away. No, you can literally. Yeah, I bet there's a character in fucking Boktai. Yeah, that's like the vampires exist. You know how the vampires and shit nukes. I mean, look, dude, at the end of the day, like we get to see one in like the first mission.
Starting point is 01:09:38 No, that's not a nuke. Okay, well, that's a void out. Yeah, I'm saying nukes are bad, man. And you're like, really here in this setting? Why? Because they're bad. I thought we've worked past this. No, never.
Starting point is 01:10:07 It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever played. Listen, man, like some people have their causes, you know, have you seen Jane Goodall loved those gorillas? Yep, no matter what else was going on in the world. Listen, have you seen the clip of Sam riding the bike? No. So there's a bike you can make if you saw in the intro. However, there's an unlockable bike that you can get, which is the ride.
Starting point is 01:10:45 Oh, okay. Is that the one that comes with the subtitle that comes with the moment? It's not a subtitle. It is direct dialogue of you riding along and Sam goes, holy shit. This is so fucking cool. I feel like I'm on ride with Norman Reedus right now. And there are multiple line reads. I have not gotten there, but people have confirmed that that is real and that
Starting point is 01:11:21 there are multiple different. And every time he says it, he always, always says ride with Norman Reedus. The full title. That's the best line of dialogue in a video game since this is good. Isn't it? Yeah. That's the like peak. What do you do?
Starting point is 01:11:41 What do you do? How do you top that like the full on get it turned the can towards the camera? You know, wow. Wow. I love it's the funniest thing in the world. The ad stuff in this game is the funniest shit ever. The human condition. Cup noodle has been dethroned as the best ad in video games.
Starting point is 01:12:04 Oh, fuck me, man. Why is it? I feel like I know the answer already, but I want to ask the question. When American companies, when European companies do ads and games, it always feels shut up. I'm sorry. It feels sleazy. Yeah, because you just it because the Japanese ones almost like it's
Starting point is 01:12:27 because the product is always some kind of food that is just like the most harmless nonsense thing to exist. Like the monster in this thing is like it's almost like that, right? It's laughable. We're talking about cup noodles and calorie made. Sorry. The reason why I went shut up is because is this real? Is does someone actually say there's evil within two?
Starting point is 01:12:52 Yes. Yeah. No. Well, you go back to an MPC at the beginning of the game and evil within two and you go and you're like, dude, you got to get out of here. You got to get out of the safe house and he's like, I don't want to get out of there. There's evil out there and then the main character goes. Yeah, but there's evil within two and they both turn and look at the camera
Starting point is 01:13:23 for a second. That's fucking great. Evil within two also has my favorite line of dialogue upon completing a mini game. I live for this. There's a there's a there's a there's a mini game and evil within two in which you go into a room and you do target practice stuff like, you know, shoot the targets and there's a bunch of levels and you get upgrade points for it. Once you complete absolutely all of them, right, which is very significant.
Starting point is 01:13:54 It's a big part of the side content. You get a trophy. You're an achievement and you get some upgrade points and you get a bunch of currency and Sebastian goes, I guess I should get back on that saving my daughter thing. Huh? And it's like, okay. Yeah, yeah. Fuck it.
Starting point is 01:14:13 There's your tone. Yeah, Japanese games just feel very comfortable reaching out of the fourth wall and grabbing your dick. Beautiful. Beautiful. Never quit. Never quit. But yeah, it really is always some fucking stupid ass.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Like, like, yeah, a calorie mate or, or, or, you know, Werther's original or just, you know, just fucking nonsense. Remember when a fucking Mario Kart added like a Mercedes van? That's, you know, but that's, but that that's the problem, right? It's like, when you're like, really, you want these kids to fucking feel like they should go out and get a car, you know what? I think I, I think I can, I think I can sum it up as a, as like a business phrase. And that is no attempt at integration.
Starting point is 01:15:05 Right. In your Western game, you'll try and have the character like wearing a fancy watch and then they'll get that brand shot of that watch. But they won't go, Hey, man, I love this watch. Meanwhile, even at its most subtle ever in Japanese games, which is the sunglasses and Metal Gear five, they zoom in on the fucking things and have product names show up in the fucking bottom left and every character has them for some reason. And they go, Oh man, I sure do love drinking my monster while using my JF
Starting point is 01:15:42 fray sunglasses, which are totally in Death Stranding as well. Those are the ones on the table. No, the ones you get later, which are non in universe sunglasses. They're just designers and glasses. Like I at least at the very least you want it. Like if there was a bunch of shit that you're like, Oh yeah, but I also know that Kojima is way into sunglasses. Like he's a huge, he's crazy about it.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Right. Then you could almost be like, yeah, okay, this dude just happens to fucking be in there and he's hanging out with his sunglasses buddies. But like, I feel so fucking cool right now. It's like I'm on ride with Norm Noreen. Not sons of anarchy. Oh my God is not anything else. You know, yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:34 Okay. And as a result of this, I'm now drinking monster and I have to admit I desperately want to at least see like a fucking trailer for ride with Norman Reedus because I need to know what the fuck it is and why there's a muppet on his back. You kind of want to watch the show. I kind of want to watch the show now. That's great. Fucking mission accomplished.
Starting point is 01:16:59 I've been into a calorie mate once because I needed to know. It's like a ration. Definitely. You know, and quite frankly, look, man, that dude saved saving that channel. Yeah, right. He's the one that matters on that show and why not give him another one? Yeah. There is one other thing that I want to talk about with Death Stranding, which is
Starting point is 01:17:24 something that you have not encountered yet, but you will start to motherfucker. If you show up in two weeks and you're like, OK, so AMC's ride with Norman Reedus is pretty great. I'm going to fucking turn this whole thing off. Well, I'll kick the camera over. Get ready because that Norman Reedus is a darling. But what I was going to say is there's something very odd that starts to happen when you deliver packages in this game and it's something start to like that.
Starting point is 01:17:54 I have apologized to you in the past for. But I will apologize to you again. About two years ago on the podcast, you brought up a news article in which Kojima went down to LA to hang out with a bunch of famous people and I lost my shit going, how is this news? This is fucking stupid. If you remember that, I apologize later because that was an overreaction. I will now apologize again because boy, were you right because you start to
Starting point is 01:18:29 deliver to a wide assorted cavalcade of wildly out of place famous people. The new the new CEO of Sony. He'll give you some blood. You want to hang out with Junji Ito Conan O'Brien. Sure. Fuck it. Jeff Keely. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:51 Famitsu man. Edgar Wright. Edgar Wright. Fuck it. Wow. Didn't catch that one. The CEO of a Canadian based fashion company. Fuck it.
Starting point is 01:19:04 The guy who's currently got the Mitsu in a shit because he's the CEO of Famitsu and he's in the game. The Mitsu gave the game a 40 out of 40. Yeah. Fuck it. Deliver these for Mitsu magazine. No. Deliver these old Dreamcasts.
Starting point is 01:19:16 Okay. Okay. Now. Okay. Now here's the thing though. Here's the thing. Right. Like.
Starting point is 01:19:24 How brilliant of a move though. To be that guy that's like I have this project. Mm hmm. I want you to be in it. Yeah. And it's almost like those directors that just never released the movie but they keep asking like famous friends to come be in it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:43 So that they can hang out for a while. Yeah. It's like that. There is totally you create a mechanic. There is allows you to enable. There is 100% your French moves in a fucking Japanese model that you hang out with that all I can think of is dude Kajima wanted to bang this chick and it didn't go anywhere but she's in the game.
Starting point is 01:20:07 Bruh. It's called the beauty and the beast unit. That was really obvious. Like they all need to be sexy naked models for the art. And have a camera mode in which we will stop the boss fight and begin a photo shoot. Photosynthesis. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:30 She needs it to breathe. Listen they all every photosynthesis is the recurring the best plot I've ever seen. Yeah. Fucking good plot love it. So at the same time while these games are fascinating and I really like the big themes boy are they also trash. They're also like one half step above the sword art online
Starting point is 01:20:53 and a maze. Oh come on. That's just really quiet was so bad quiet was so bad and if you don't believe if you don't know in your heart how bad quiet was you go check out those YouTube videos where they model swapper with us a lot and you're like oh man how do I what do I say to him maybe if I present my ass like a dog. This is weird.
Starting point is 01:21:32 This helicopter is getting awkward. Yeah. That strandings a trip man. It's a fucking trip. Every time I sit down with that game I come away like relaxed and happy. It's a good game. You else is a good game. I see that you see what I'm doing here.
Starting point is 01:21:55 That new Jedi fallen order game. Hey, it's it's pretty solid. Everyone says so it's not like it's not the best game in the world but there was a warning about some sort of save bug. I know about that. Okay. I haven't heard or encountered it but that's I'm definitely not going to tell you it doesn't exist because everything has a safe bug now.
Starting point is 01:22:14 This is interesting because I'm hearing the fallen order is good. It is and I'm hearing that the Mandalorian is good. Yes. And it it re invigorates my belief that once any property gets big enough all the good shit is to the sides to the sides. It's the shit that isn't the important thing. Yeah. That they have a little more freedom on or or since
Starting point is 01:22:41 they've killed off like everything extra in this case and laser focused it to a couple of products. Yeah. It could we be looking at a course correction like was solo the straw that broke no back because they also took it away from D&D you play you play a fallen order and you are like all some big dumb nerds were sad that you died. So like the the fucking fallen order is like who cares about
Starting point is 01:23:10 the movies did you guys watch Clone Wars. Okay. Like that that's what it's about. Okay. And it's a thing I mentioned him a couple weeks in a row now but I'm a huge fan of Mr. Fields's Twitter shitposts Mr. Fields Wild Ride Wild Ride. Yeah. That's not his name right now but it's the one that I remember when I started
Starting point is 01:23:35 following him. It's great. It's great. I wish I could pay him to write my own fucking tweets for me because they're much better than mine. No, he's one of those two accounts. You're just like what's this account about? It's about shit.
Starting point is 01:23:45 You could ask tweets. Yeah, that's it. But he pointed out that hopefully fallen order signifies the shift from every fucking action game has to be Batman plus franchise to at least it's Dark Souls now because it's a Dark Souls game. Whoa. You didn't know that. Did you know it's Dark Souls that's super interesting.
Starting point is 01:24:10 It is Dark Souls and it's Metroid in Star Wars universe. Yes. And you're going through that type of gear. You so let me are you changing your like character layout loadout and weapons that know you have you have your lights a bore. Okay. And it goes zoom zoom zoom because it's a laser sword. You're not picking up weapons.
Starting point is 01:24:33 You're learning force push force pull force stop etc. And these will allow you to break down walls and explore parts of the map that you weren't able to explore before. So you'll get a double jump. It is actually because your character is not changing. It is actually way closer to Sekiro. Okay. But I'm going to call that souls anyway.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Yeah, it's it's it's Sekiro souls with a much more pronounced Metroid at tense to it. You hit select and the map that comes up is it looks like Metroid points and it a 3D game. Yeah. And you get a fucking breakdown of the percentage explored per planet. How many chests you opened etc. It's a little buggy.
Starting point is 01:25:17 Like it feels like it could use like one extra month like not not like not bad buggy but like you sit down and play for a couple hours. You're going to see one a pose. Okay. Fuck off. How's the lightsaber play? It's really good. Okay.
Starting point is 01:25:31 It sounds it makes the right noise and you slice the guy. There is do you clash? Do you put up different like when you're fighting lightsaber enemies or what they're called purge troopers, which is black storm troopers with electrified weapons. Do they have the they have the anti lightsaber? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:25:49 The noises and the animations associated with it and the Perry combat is actually similar to Sekiro. It's it's your it's the kind of thing where it's like this would be good any other time but because it's Star Wars and because laser swords are cool. You go. Oh yeah. Oh, what are your buttons that pertain to combat square slash X is melee triangle
Starting point is 01:26:14 is heavy ish special like you hit you but it requires force energy like it requires a resource. So it's heavy slash or dash slash or stuff like that. Okay. Right trigger is force push right bumper is force stop left trigger is I'm going to assume force pole but I haven't unlocked it left bumper is block or or Perry a full out of okay. So full on action game.
Starting point is 01:26:43 Yeah. B or or circle is dodge a is jump buttons are all combat oriented. Yes. Okay. It is it is a fucking combat game. Okay. Okay. Perry a blaster bolt goes right back to a storm trooper and kills them.
Starting point is 01:27:00 When you unlock the minor spoilers when you lock the double play of the lightsaber hey and you the it's big gimmick is it's not nearly as good for one on one fights but when 10 guys shoot at you and you just hold the button down it reflects all of them. It's pretty cool. But yeah, you run and jump and stab and laser sword and it's good. Oh, this is one of the shittiest advertise. Hey, woolly. Let's talk about EA and respawn.
Starting point is 01:27:36 I don't wanna and advertising and trailers. This game is a Dark Souls Sekiro ask Metroidvania that is way longer than it looks. It's not a linear action game with 25 minute set pieces. So why is it that the only gameplay footage and trailers that came out made it look like uncharted and not what it actually is because it tried to made a lot of money. I don't know, man. Has respawn ever done anything like this? No, not they I don't think they've ever done a game with or infinity word.
Starting point is 01:28:19 You know, the same people. I don't think they've ever done one fucking game with melee combat. Yeah, I'm like, I'm surprised hearing your description of what this plays like because these are all words that I oh and you're like, wait, this isn't what I thought this game was all. Yeah, even though you I'm sure you took a look at it and watched footage at some points. Yeah, because EA sucks. And why do they buy respawn if they're going to do this to every single one of their games? Because respawn will still work hard to make a good video game.
Starting point is 01:28:47 I don't know. This feels this feels like. You know, when a movie producer is going to be a little out there, but you know, when a movie producer green lights a movie and then leaves the company, yeah, the next guy that takes over wants to kill that fucking thing, because it doesn't have his name on it. That baby doesn't smell like mine. Yeah, this feels like that.
Starting point is 01:29:08 Mm hmm. This feels like respawn got this idea or got this deal or whatever the fuck for the Star Wars license and then Battlefront fucking happened. EA wants to buy companies that can succeed despite. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of purchase you can make. It's it's really good. I am enjoying it a lot.
Starting point is 01:29:34 It's enjoyable. Okay. For bigger Star Wars nerds than me, I'm sure there's a lot here because there's one planet I recognize. I don't recognize that other planet, but it's where Darth Maul was born. Oh, yeah. Right. And it, you know, his brother cone stuff.
Starting point is 01:29:53 Yeah. And apparently it was a big deal in the Star Wars rebels or some shit. I don't know. So you're enjoying this video game. I'm enjoying this video game. Are you enjoying it more than Titanfall three? No. Okay.
Starting point is 01:30:08 That's not fair. I know. Life isn't fair. Is it? It sure ain't. It sure ain't. Yeah. Fallen orders legit.
Starting point is 01:30:19 It's a legit good video game. Cool. It is. It is nice to play something and be like this is a full order of magnitude better than I thought it was going to be. And when I was doing it on stream, I was talking and I was struggling to think of when is the last good lightsaber action game to have come out. The one they recently re-released or announced for the switch.
Starting point is 01:30:50 So I was outcast. Oh, sorry. Academy. And I, and the mental process was so pathetic because I could, I was thinking about which was earlier. Academy or power battles because Jedi power battles is sick. And it was Academy in fucking 2003. That was 16 years ago that and I also, I talked at length of like, man, um, I'm, I was racking
Starting point is 01:31:27 my brain and I, and I, and I know I'm not counting unleashed. Boo. I landed on the Wii game with the Wii motion plus. That was all that we had in the office. Yeah. That we tested that was like, it's going to be a lightsaber for real though. No. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:46 So, uh, the answer to your question is, um, fucking Jedi Academy. Yeah. And beat saber. Yeah. Beat saber is good. All right. I disagree, but unleash did happen. Um, do you want to hear something really stupid?
Starting point is 01:32:03 You want to hear the, the, the worst justification for anything ever? Hmm. So what's the, what's the first thing that you do when you load up Jedi outcast? Well, you put on the fucking mod. All right. Well, in Jedi fall in order, you don't have to because you're going to run for, oh man. It's a rank or equivalent. And sure enough, when you kill it and you hit it with your laser sword, you slice that
Starting point is 01:32:32 bitch's arm, write the fuck off and cut it in half. Sprats. Take that fuckers. Beautiful. But then when you fight one of them, they're stormtroopers. Uh-oh. They get a little orange Bernie mark on their chest. And you know why that is?
Starting point is 01:32:51 It's not because of the rating. And it's not because of the tech. No, it's because we want to save dismemberment of human, uh, opponents for special moments, just like Star Wars does, like when people's hands get cut off. And you're like, no, it's the SRB rating. So you don't get a fucking default M rating. Yeah. Sure.
Starting point is 01:33:14 Uh, it's a massive disappointment and I fucking bet if people dive deep enough, there's a set dismemberment true equal to one line of code somewhere that you can turn on. Here's my thought though, right? Think about there's a rather here's the defense right in movie in any of the movies. How frequently do you get to see that? Almost never. Right. 99% of people that get dispatched with humans, they get dispatched with lightsaber get dispatched
Starting point is 01:33:55 by reflecting blaster bolts back at them. So their defense can be we're just matching what you that is literally what they're saying. And I'm like, I don't believe you. Well, it's fucking cool to slice the storm trip. I definitely does not look like you're playing Berserk. Yeah, just with with body parts like flying past you left and right. Despite the fact that that's what your brain assumes. The other thing and I don't know if it's associated with that is that the game has an enemy balance
Starting point is 01:34:26 problem in that half of the games cast are various forms of stormtroopers and half of the games enemy cast are monsters, animals, robots, humanoid style enemies from other planets, etc. Droids. Right. Stormtroopers. They're a fucking joke because they're stormtroopers. Everything else.
Starting point is 01:34:53 Holy shit. Hmm. Like I slept walked through like 100 stormtroopers and then saw a goat and the goat fucking sent me to the continue screen six times in a row. Like it is it is fucked. Okay. Yeah. No, I was going to say like if you want to ever put the dismemberment test to the limits,
Starting point is 01:35:21 show us what your game engine can do when you just drop a crowd of stormtroopers and put one Darth Grievous or General Grievous doing the spinny spins and just push him forward into the crowd and show us what that looks like. I want to see it. I want to see it. Probably do it nowadays. You probably do it. Got good tech.
Starting point is 01:35:43 Just do it. Cool. Okay. Yeah. That's and like and like, you know, oh, just go easy as shit. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Progress point boss fight.
Starting point is 01:35:56 Progress. Very few boss fights. Big connected map. Very, very few boss fights. Okay. It's closer to Metroid in that sense. Lots of isolation and silence or lots of talking and dialogue. I'd say it's about half half.
Starting point is 01:36:10 Enemies have a lot of dialogue. There is dialogue from stormtroopers associated with you killing all of the guys with guns. You killing all the guys that don't have guns. The last guy left the any level of health that you're at when you enter into the fight or run from the fight or have one guy left. Like it's actually really impressive. And you have your little robot on your back so that you can talk to yourself. BD one.
Starting point is 01:36:40 You gotta have a cute joint. You gotta have a cute. It's a dog. More than ever before this one's a dog. Like the way it animates and beeps. It's a dog on your back that shoots estus into your ass. Oh, cool. Okay.
Starting point is 01:36:59 Like it literally fires out little stems that you hit. And when you do that, you can't attack or barely move. And it's like, wow. Okay. Do you talk to it? Yeah, you talk to it. Yeah. You tell it.
Starting point is 01:37:10 It's a good droid. Well, the moment you talk to it, it doesn't feel like a dog though. Yeah. Like that's the thing about R2 and about Chewy. You talk to dogs. No, but the point, the moment, but the moment they respond to you and you go like, I know, I know dogs talk back. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:37:24 Okay. Like there's, you know how Chewbacca had literal lines of dialogue that they then dubbed over with the horn nose. Yeah. Right. Or like, like C3PO response to R2. Yeah. Like conversation.
Starting point is 01:37:38 Yeah. Like, yeah, like you're having these, the back and forth. It's like, no, that's a person. Well, you're super wrong on this. Dogs talk. Cats talk even. I'm confused. They talk to you.
Starting point is 01:37:52 Okay. You have a dog for five, six years. You know what he's saying. Okay, but like, but in, I'm talking about like, like actual like conversation points, not like, yeah, an emotion and then another emotion. Yeah. What's the difference between a droid and a dog? Like, I feel like the, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:38:15 I guess it feels like. I love looking down and seeing half the people going past and finally lost his mind and people going, oh yeah, I know what Pat's talking about. I mean, I know what you're saying when you're just like dogs hungry and under wants to go outside, paw the door. Sometimes dog doesn't like what you're watching on TV. We'll tell you a walk or something like that. Right.
Starting point is 01:38:32 Um, but like, aren't there points where like, like R2 or, oh, it's like, you got to fix the ship or whatever. Or chewy. Yeah. It's like, where are you going? Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, what do you mean by that?
Starting point is 01:38:45 Like dogs do that. But what? I don't know. It's been too long since you talked to a dog. No. Like the dog is conveying a, the dog, the dog has a, uh, uh, uh, you, the dog holds RT and has a wheel of emotional responses. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:04 The dog has a wheel of emotes. That's right. And it's communicating those with you. Yeah. But it's, it's not able to form those into a fucking soap stone message. Yeah. If you're good at dog listening, you ever watched dog whisper with Caesar Milan? Oh, shit's great.
Starting point is 01:39:22 That dude knows dogs, but it's using emotes, right? Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes the dog barks and you're like, oh, I know why you're mad. Like your dog is someone who uses the emojis on your phone to text you. Yeah. There's a lot of emojis, bully. Right.
Starting point is 01:39:37 But, but, but you, you can't actually give someone like an address. A dog can't give you, well, it can just walk to it. Yeah, it can. But you've proven yourself wrong. Yes, but it can't verbally give you that. You don't know that. Our two and Chu-We can't. Can.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Are two in Chewy talk. Our two and Chewy can beep you or growl you a phone number. Dogs. Do that. How? They, they use their pause to hit the phone number. Yeah, they get it. To do it.
Starting point is 01:40:05 I've seen it. Okay. All right. Well, great. Good talk. Good talk. Yeah. You know who else talks dogs?
Starting point is 01:40:14 Dogs can talk and rats can't swim. I'm not saying they can't. I, I, I, I understand the, the, the, the emoji wheel. They get an, they get an emo, an emo. You can draw it. You can wait. You can teach rats to drive. I don't know that.
Starting point is 01:40:29 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you hook up. So get this, right? You hook up a rat to this little like, like surface with some, some wheels on it. Yeah. And then it has like three little metal nodes, little electric panels.
Starting point is 01:40:43 And when it touches one, it completes the circuit. Yeah. And then you can either rotate left, rotate right or move forward. Uh-huh. Right. So they gave the rat tank controls. Oh my God. And then when you give the rat tank controls and it's stuck inside the little, the little
Starting point is 01:40:57 car. Yeah. And then you put the food over there. It will 100% learn how to take controls, rotate its way and drive towards the food. That's amazing. It's incredible. Good job. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:10 Yeah. You, if a rat is hungry enough, it will deal with bullshit, stupid tank controls. That's good. I like it. Life getting harder for no reason. Well, you know, cars use tank controls too, right? Cars turn. No, they don't.
Starting point is 01:41:27 No. Cars don't use tank controls. That's a lie. What? Are you saying cars use car controls? Car? Tanks don't use tank controls. Yeah, they do.
Starting point is 01:41:37 Tanks don't use tank controls. Yeah, they do. Tanks cannot rotate on the spot. Yeah, they can. That's actually super wrong. Oh, do they lift up? No, that's the point of treads, dude. Because they go like this, that one goes forward and one goes back.
Starting point is 01:41:52 Oh, you're super right. Yeah, you're right. I'm stupid. I'm an idiot. You're too nearly right. One goes backwards and one goes forward. Okay. I want to give you a little golf clap for like, I said something really stupid, which was
Starting point is 01:42:04 cars don't use car controls and you fucking beat me on it with tanks don't use tank controls. Congrats. I completely forgot about the fact that the treads go in opposite directions and they rotate on the spot. Yeah, that's the whole point, man. Yeah. Because if they didn't, tanks would only go forward. They just go in a straight line, of course.
Starting point is 01:42:21 Yeah, I'm stupid, of course. Yeah, totally. Like, how would they ever turn is the answer. That's dumb. Boy. What's up? Hey, Willie. I've never been in a tank.
Starting point is 01:42:33 I've stood on one. Really? Yeah. Where'd you stand on a tank? At ComboCon. Oh, there's a tank there? Yeah, cool. I took a picture of it.
Starting point is 01:42:42 I stood on a tank. You know what contact? Big one. A decommissioned tank. Yeah, there you go. There we go. It's like, yep. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:42:52 You know, I don't have a lot of, you ever have that moment where you're like encountering a traditional masculine or manly interest that you are just all boy, right? Somebody asked me, Paige asked me, we were waiting for an Uber and she asked me what kind of car it was. And I said it was a red car. And I was like, and then as soon as the words left my mouth, I'm like, shit. Oh, Uber's the worst because Uber's like, yeah, it's a fucking four tourists. And I'm like, yeah, got it.
Starting point is 01:43:26 Look for the logo. Could they just put the logo there for me? Look for the logo find, because also we also have to explain in Canada, you don't have license plates on the front of the car. So you have to walk around to the back to verify the license plate number. So you can't just look down at it and see, oh yeah, that's my Uber. So until you get to go behind it, you're looking at the car going, I guess that color matches and it does sometimes doesn't and it does have a Honda logo.
Starting point is 01:43:55 So sure. You ever trying it in the wrong car? Okay. I know what a car. Yes, that's happened. It's bad. Yeah, it sucks. Really bad.
Starting point is 01:44:03 People get very weirded out. Sure do. And they're right. Yeah. It's a Quebec thing. I know what a Honda Accord looks like and I know what a Civic looks like because those are the cars that my mom owned. And I know what a 92 Ford Tempo looks like, a Range Rover, a Pathfinder and I know what
Starting point is 01:44:24 a PT Cruiser looks like and a couple other weirdo cars. But the ones that just kind of fall into the like, it's a family sedan. I'm like, I don't know. What do you want me to do? Is it blue? It's a green. Oh. What's the thing on the front?
Starting point is 01:44:41 What's the logo on the front? No. Yeah. You ever do the walk around to the back and you're like, you have to kind of casually do it to be like, I've done that and the guy in the car is like turning around going like, where the fuck are you going? What are you up to? I don't know who you are.
Starting point is 01:44:57 Yeah, like, I don't want to just get in your car. You look kind of sketchy. I don't want to just get in your car and you not be the Uber driver. The photo of you is very small and also looks like it was from 10 years ago and doesn't look like you at all. So please understand. And also the photo looks like a murderer, which is the thing that happens. OK, well, it depends on what you consider to be a murderer.
Starting point is 01:45:22 A lot of people look like murders. A lot under certain lighting conditions. I look like a murderer. Nice save. You racist fuck fuck. How dare you? Everybody knows white people are the scariest murderers. Where's the lie?
Starting point is 01:45:46 Yeah, I'll see it. Well, we win. Yeah. Oh, it's not a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like our murders are all like because like you slighted me and like they're super
Starting point is 01:46:09 super petty. Yeah, which like they're super petty and direct. Like you did some stupid shit. Like, I don't know, cut in line at fucking Popeyes. Duh, trying to get that sandwich, you know, and it's like, yeah, but yours are like, I need my dick to get hard. This is the only way it's going to happen. So I mean, it's just going to have I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:46:36 What tone down version were you going to say? Well, I know it's just that like, at least I know that when I'm approaching the aggro zone, that is the Popeyes chicken sandwich, that the likelihood for this to occur goes up right in this type of encounter. It's not like you're walking down the street and some guy go ask you for directions and the meter's going up, but you don't even know. Like you don't know when that boner needs to go. You can't you don't know where it like you don't.
Starting point is 01:47:07 Yeah, there's no there's no reading on depends on what city you live in. That's your only hint that that can be the shittier the city you live in. The higher the likelihood that meter's going up. Boner meter above the character's head. Look at their fingernails. I don't think that's always a good, good use of your time, guys. The boss music didn't play. There were no life bar appeared.
Starting point is 01:47:30 Yeah, that's the trick. It's a innate stealth ability, a peer normal while secretly having big murder boner. Like dialogue options appeared. Yeah, the A prompt floated over their head. Yeah. And then like, what happened? There's a fun there's a funny corollary to that and RPGs, particularly Western RPGs. If anybody plays Obsidian and Bethesda RPGs, there's always the same quest.
Starting point is 01:48:01 You go to a house a little bit out of the way and you sit down and everybody in there is really friendly and you're like, hey, I was looking for my friend or this guy and they're like, oh, we never seen him. And they open their mouth and say one word of dialogue and your brain goes cannibals and you're always right. Right. You're always right. And how quickly can you start swinging between the like as long as
Starting point is 01:48:25 this dialogue is going on? Can you cancel out of it and just start very quickly? Yeah. So there you go. Uh, I think I want to say something else, but if I could forget. So I'll just say it later. All right. Remember, that's fine.
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Starting point is 01:56:31 I remember what I wanted to ask you. So apparently there's this new fighting game coming out, uh, in the future called, uh, guilty gear or some shit. And it looks really good. You'll take your strife, strife looks really good. And when I was watching, uh, match footage of it, uh, here and there, there was some bad quality match footage people were uploading. Uh, luckily, uh, there's, uh, 25 ish minutes of high quality match footage on, uh,
Starting point is 01:57:02 some channel called woolly versus, um, that I was watching earlier today. Um, and I was like, boy, fuck this looks sick. Mm-hmm. And I was like, man, I really want to play fighting games. And then I'm like, shit, I'm bad at all the fighting games that are out right now. And none of them are new. I feel fucked. Like no matter what I do or pick up, I will enter into the arena, become fucked
Starting point is 01:57:34 and be sad. What do you, what do you actually do in that position? Well, I mean, right, you, you, it's the way I feel when I'm not playing like the games that you did put your time into. So, uh, the way you feel about that is like, yeah, I, I did not put the time into a warframe. I did not, you know, uh, yeah, there's a million get into like any of the things that you did.
Starting point is 01:58:03 Yeah. So it's just the, it's just the flip side of where you put your time. The difference is, is that those games don't have a other person that be too mercilessly and makes you feel like a tiny baby. I guess it depends which one, but in most cases, yeah, right? It's just like, yeah, I was like, oh, I'd like to fuck around in the exit, right? Well, and I'm like, if I go and hop online and exit right now, I'm going to
Starting point is 01:58:25 get shit stomped. Well, I mean, it, it is, but it's still, if you're, if you like the game and you like the character, uh, and you, you know, you've gone into training mode and like, you know, felt out a couple of combos and, you know, kind of just practiced them a little bit. See how you feel about that stuff. Um, like it's still the place to go. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:58:55 Like, yeah, that might happen, but it might not happen. Right. I suppose more and I don't want to immediately be like, Hey, come out to locals, like that's not, that doesn't have to be the qualifier, you know, but it's like, yeah, the answer is like, just play it. So lab your character, right? Whatever you lost to, like try to go back to the training mode, pick the person who beat you and do the thing they did and then see where the answer is.
Starting point is 01:59:27 So this is the part where it kind of breaks down and it's, it's a larger question than fighting games because I feel like I've seen the sentiment often with pretty much every shooter that comes out and it is when I was younger, I would just play a game a couple of nights a week and never did lab time or anything like that. I would just play it enough and it was just this natural fun thing and whatnot. And now it's like, I don't, I'm trapped in a scrub. I am in a scrub trap, which is like, I just want to play matches.
Starting point is 02:00:07 But the longer game comes out, the less bads there are for me to play matches against. OK, so two things, two things can help you. The scrub vortex. Thank you, Eric Khan. Two things can, two things can, can be good here in a, in a way that is like, it's not necessarily about like long term solidity and improvement or whatever. It's just like, you just want to play this game that you like and have fun with it. Pretty much.
Starting point is 02:00:33 So here's what you should do. If you, if you don't want to have to do, if you're trying to avoid a time sink, if you don't want me to say something such as like, go spend the time. It's, it's a, that one has its own little caveat, which is like, I could spend some time, but unless I spend a certain amount of time, there's only so much that you improve. OK, so here's the other fastest thing you can do. One, you can go to player match instead of ranked match, right? See, I always felt that that is like a good way to just get fucked by killers extra hard.
Starting point is 02:01:06 Not necessarily at all. In fact, I, in my experience, when you go to player match, it's people that are having the same problem you just described that kind of are like, OK, people on ranked are trying to get their name up higher on the list. Player matches, people like actually just trying to have fun or use a character they're not familiar with, right? So if you're trying to just get hours in to feel or time in on a character or just have or just kind of play more casually, that's where you'd go to player match, right?
Starting point is 02:01:34 It's actually what you're looking for, right? People are going to be way more full concentrated on the ranked mode. The concentration of top players is going to be higher on the ranked system that proves how good you are with a number than they are on this in the mode that doesn't show anything, right? And then the second thing I would recommend, and again, this is just for like time savers, right, is go go play one of those matches, right?
Starting point is 02:02:03 And then whatever it was, again, just play the one set, play the two out of three, you know, immediately, right, jump on YouTube and type in the names of those characters fighting each other and find the match upload of some really good versions of those players fighting and just look at what that person is doing. So I've been come so out of practice with fighting games that I feel silly because you're telling me things that I already knew. Yeah. And forgot. Who do you like in Guilty Gear?
Starting point is 02:02:36 Potemkin. OK, go online and look up. What does what do Potemkin players do? I don't mean go look up literally. Keep on rock dot I. And. Is a website seriously? Yes, that's fucking hilarious. It's beautiful, right? And that is a site that is an archive of tournament footage of Guilty Gear.
Starting point is 02:03:04 Yeah, where you pick the two characters you want to see fighting each other and then it'll show you a list. You know, it's silly. I used to do this this whole process a lot for Virtua Fighter. But I never mentally applied it to everything else because for whatever reason, when I played Virtua Fighter, I don't know if it's because of the way the systems work. It felt really natural and intuitive
Starting point is 02:03:30 because I would watch I would watch Wolf matches because of fucking course I would watch Wolf matches. Yeah. And I would notice like. You know what Top Rock Wolf players really like? That fucking knee that hit forward and kick you a lot. That things the shit. Yeah. And I went. OK, maybe I'll use a little bit more. So the website I'm describing is just an easier way
Starting point is 02:03:54 of like clicking these characters together. But you can just YouTube this, right? You can just go into YouTube and type Potemkin versus whoever you are fighting. And and see like what the like whether like if you want a good example, you can go like type in the word grand finals. Yeah. Right. Or type in the word top eight. Yeah, I've done this. Right. And then you'll find some probably high quality matches of that character.
Starting point is 02:04:17 In Potemkin's case, FAB is one of the best players that you probably find popping up a lot. But keep on rocking and or YouTube. And then you just look at that video of the character doing the thing and then just copy it. And here's question two, which I hope will lead into your week. You've played that new guilty gear. Yeah, it looks pretty OK.
Starting point is 02:04:41 If I wanted to play a game to loosen up my joints, as it were, for the new guilty gear, is the obvious dumbass answer to just go play Exurg? Or is there anything else that is a path there? Because I was watching Max's video on it and he says that Strive feels like SF5 and guilty gear. Exurg had a baby. That's his. That's his analogy, which I thought was fascinating.
Starting point is 02:05:11 I threw an analogy out in my technical discussion video that I released earlier this morning, where I said that this is like the jump from alpha three to new generation. New generation is bad. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't right. I don't like but the but the reason why the I thought the analogy worked was because alpha three was crazy wacky.
Starting point is 02:05:36 It's drowning. A super, super a wild air combo game at first. Right. And then you get to another game where it's like this is as gorgeous as it's ever been. Yeah. And it introduces the idea of the parry. Right. And this is like something that's going to need some touch ups. But the idea is here.
Starting point is 02:05:57 And this is the early demo build, right? And I'm hoping that the next time we see it before release, it'll be at that second impact state. Yeah, there's a lot of a while. I watched all the footage you put up. And when they are talking about this is early, like that UI is fucking terrible right now. It's bad. It's early.
Starting point is 02:06:21 So it really feels like that UI is built to address a bullet list of things they want to communicate to the player and not at all flavored with heavy metal or guilty gear. Yeah. So that's why I feel that that's super temporary, which they said, you know what, the whole thing can change. They did say this, right? And but yeah, but that analogy is it's mainly based on the idea
Starting point is 02:06:46 that it's like in this demo build, I think it's like the ideas they're trying to communicate are there and they're going to need some fine tuning and hopefully by release, we get to that third strike. So now obviously there is an hour and a half of you and Reggie gabbing about the new guilty gear over on in a overrun only versus in a very technical manner. We use a lot of jargon and it's for people that are familiar with guilty gear. So let's fucking cut that down a bit.
Starting point is 02:07:12 Yeah. Hey, is this game good? I like it. Yeah. Yeah. I had a lot of fun. You just it's this is better if you ask me questions almost. All right, because I did say I'm like, that's the really technical discussion that goes into things that a lot of people, including myself and Reggie, were worried about. Oh, hey, Max. Oh, cool. And say fighting games and Max appears.
Starting point is 02:07:38 Yeah. So a lot of a lot of a lot of what I talked about in that video is going into the nitty gritty of why I kind of feel they made certain decisions, right? And something interesting that that kind of came up was that we kind of I had I was at Ark Revo this weekend, right? So went out there really good time. Was that at LA? That was in LA. And, you know, had really
Starting point is 02:08:05 it was a really cool event, you know, to a tournament World Finals for a lot of anime games. Shoutouts to Zot Buster, you know, very cool with that. And Grand Blue versus was there. I got some timing on that and participated in that stream. Mm hmm. And yes, I also got to sit down, talk with Daisuke and I got the first time I've ever seen what it looks like and what I expected.
Starting point is 02:08:27 Oh, you step along here. See, that's what I expected. Used to look way more rock star. Yeah, he's kind of, you know, yeah. All right. But yeah, a very nice man. And we talked about a lot of things and I got an interview, which is also going to go up on Willie versus in short order. But the the gist of it was just trying to figure out his design
Starting point is 02:08:48 design philosophies and like why he was making the changes to Guilty Gear that he was. And then going back to the the the game and then kind of like trust and trying a lot of that stuff out. So the thing that happened was over the course of the weekend, we got a feel for it on day one and then day two, we started recording some footage and that's the footage you saw. Yeah, I noticed because I'm watching the footage. I'm like, there's no fucking way this is you sitting down for the game
Starting point is 02:09:09 for the first time. There's no like stuff is happening in that footage. Stuff is happening in that footage, but that stuff to me is still like nowhere. It's still super all totally dumb and mistaken and full of like garbage, like reads and dropped combos. Right. But it's still like there's no there's no way. This is this is this is ours.
Starting point is 02:09:27 And then the state that we walked out of that room in is because way after that, like after we recorded, we sat down and it sat me, Reggie and Octo just sat down and started like labbing, right? And as we labbed, we found some crazy shit that no one had found or reported on up to that point. Right. And by this time, everyone had left. Yeah. Right. The room literally cleared out. Anyone who was recording or taking.
Starting point is 02:09:55 We got our notes, get out of here. Everyone who did anything up to that point was gone and it was just us, right? And then literally to the point where when they announced the name of the game and and Faust on stream, like we heard the crowd screaming, right? And we watched this and we were watching the stream. There's a stream's TV in the room. But like and like that was cool. But we were just in there because we discovered some amazing crazy shit that was
Starting point is 02:10:19 like we talk about it more in the video, but like the dust button and how that is going to be so. It's very different. Even I saw that. Yeah. And it's going to be it's going to be the key that this whole game is built around. So right, I'm going to ask you a couple of general questions. Yeah, just let's I want to keep this super some of which I kind of already know the answers to, but I want to get them out there.
Starting point is 02:10:43 Yeah. Guilty Gear is a fucking particularly excerpt, I feel is anime is shit in terms of fighting. There's a lot of buttons. There's a lot of fucking nonsense flying around. It's beautiful. I'm just talking about like visual. It's like a it's like a one fighter Marvel. OK, on a visual level.
Starting point is 02:11:03 Yeah, it's like there's a lot of fucking shit. There's a million fucking mechanics. Yes. It is is it accurate to say that this is anime toned down a couple notches to be more grounded, more O.G. It definitely you can compare it to O.G. Games because combos are much shorter and damage is high. So that the first thing you think of with that is like Street Fighter two.
Starting point is 02:11:27 Yeah, right. It does also take away the Gatling system that was in the previous games, which is like you're you're the ability to the dialogue combo, the ability to go from your lightest attacks all the way down the list to your heaviest attacks and then into your specials and supers, right? Like in this case, you're kind of going more for one or two buttons into themselves and then into like a special move. We got a quote from Mr. Maximilian,
Starting point is 02:11:57 dude says SF five times guilty gear might be a bad impression for some. And I could understand that, but also might be a very good impression for others and that he'd say that it felt most like XX. Which do you agree with that? Well, so I I think I would say that the older games still feel like crazy lightning fast and like have these moments of like almost like like knockdowns are so quick. You're back into the thick of things really quickly.
Starting point is 02:12:26 This game still has a putting you back to neutral thing that the others didn't do that the fact that you returned to neutral, which is again, it just means that you're going to be standing up and facing each other and able to play more than you could in the past. So who likes footsies in their anime games? So to put this in a really basic way, if you back in the days when you when you threw somebody out of the air, you did an air grab, you would throw them and then like you'd land and then try to do something
Starting point is 02:12:55 or they'd flip out of it or something like that would happen. But here they you throw them and then they just kind of almost land on their feet. They take damage, but they almost land on their feet. Yeah, it's automatic now. Right. And then you just kind of yeah, you need to just kind of go back to fighting, right? Damage does seem fucking stupid high. So the cross the baby with Street Fighter, the reason why that works in his analogy is because of the fact
Starting point is 02:13:20 that counter hits are the most important thing now. Boy. So I'm watching the footage. You had a counter. There's a fucking zoom in and the giant the because it was a joke in like persona for arena where like a tiny little counter thing would come up. The whole screen. Yeah, it's the word counter and it zooms in and it slows down. It's pretty it's pretty extreme. And I'm also hoping some of those font decisions might get touched up before the final,
Starting point is 02:13:48 which I believe they will. But excuse me. But yeah, it's a massive thing trying to tell you this is a big deal. Yeah. Right. And that's similar to crush counter in Street Fighter five. Yeah, but just times 10 really. Right. And then you get something big off of that. That is not that's nothing, though, because the biggest deal is counter hit with dust.
Starting point is 02:14:11 When you do a counter hit with dust, you get the big air combos from the old games that you used to get. But also the game returns to feeling like the old game in that moment. Oh, really? When you're in the air, you get your gatling back so you can now combo all of your buttons into each other like the way you used to. You can do a couple of buttons and then jump and then do another couple of buttons. Right. That's the I know it's not from that,
Starting point is 02:14:41 but the game that I actually did that the first was Dragon Ball Dragon Ball. Right. And then you end it with a heavy button and that heavy button does a system wide universal like smack down. And they'll do like they'll do something that looks like one of their special moves, but it's actually just like a baked in finish. Oh, OK. And that thing does so much damage that literally you can do 40 percent to 60 percent damage for landing this off of one good counter off of one good counter. Right. So now it becomes about building your whole game plan around this with intention.
Starting point is 02:15:13 You know, Max was saying that, like, in addition to stuff like that, that you're drowning in meter, you just have tons of meter all. So this is the other big part of that big, that big video that we go into heavy detail on. But to just cut to the chase on it, the only way to. So so that's that's the crazy thing is like you don't want to get touched because if Potemkin launches you, he doesn't have to spend any bar. He can do that air combo to you and take 60 percent of your life off. Right. OK. So does like 50 kind as 40, for example. Right.
Starting point is 02:15:47 There's something called the risk gauge, which is the amount of times you can block. Oh, really? Right. It's a block. It's a guard meter. Really? Yeah. I didn't even realize that. That was an old games too. Yeah. But I mean, I don't even see the the the bar on the screen for it because he wanted it to be like almost not noticeable. Oh, all right. Which I disagree with this design decision. He said he wanted he said this is an important mechanic, but I don't want people to be staring at it all the time.
Starting point is 02:16:11 And I don't and he doesn't want new players to feel scared away from there being too many bars on screen. I think that's a super crazy thing. I think that's yeah, I don't I think that's a decision that I'm like that. But this is an important mechanic. Right. Like don't underestimate that people will, you know, pay attention to it and give it its importance. But as it at the moment, it's hidden.
Starting point is 02:16:31 It's a line of color around the portrait. That's what that is. Yes. Dude, that's like I'm watching. I watch the footage of your matches on the phone. I can't see it on my phone like it's invisible. The other thing I like, I like a lot. Yes, Max just said it, and it is true. The other thing that I agree with is that he said like
Starting point is 02:16:54 excerpt with half of its mechanics is still full of crazy shit. Still twice as many mechanics as you're ever trying. Yeah, that's a very and that's very important to point out because even with stuff cut here, there's still a lot. And so, yeah, so that's one thing I was like, I don't know about that one. That's a weird one. But he did also say that like it's not that this is not about simplification or that the depth is gone.
Starting point is 02:17:16 It's that it's in a different place. OK, right. It might be in different places. So so that guard meter you're talking about the risk, quote unquote system is the is the most also the most important thing. OK, because like I said, you get counter hit with the launcher button and then you take you lose half your life. That therefore, that's what you should be afraid of the whole time. Right.
Starting point is 02:17:38 When that guard meter goes all the way up to the maximum, anything that touches you becomes a counter hit. Oh, OK. It's it's not a guard break. It's worse. It's it's you were giving them a touch of death by guarding too much. And anything that combos wasn't in that moment, does extra damage.
Starting point is 02:18:09 Oh, geez. So the 60 percent I talked about becomes seventy five. You understand? Yeah. OK. So that means now my goal is to get you into this launched state. And I also want to force your block, your risk meter to go up to the maximum. And there and like what's the best way to do that? Forcing you to block a lot. I hope everybody likes block strings. OK, but here's what's up.
Starting point is 02:18:36 All right. We what did we begin the the the Gatling system? So block strings are not free. No, you can't do big long block strings like that anymore. Unless you have meter, which OK, because you could then use some of your your super meter to basically like cancel the push out. So as you're doing a couple of buttons, the guy gets pushed away from you. And then as and when you push them out all the way,
Starting point is 02:19:06 you could spend the meter to do a like a cancel and like the new system. I'm like, I'm calling it drift RC because that's what it looks like. You literally are like not just cancelling your attack animation. Your character is drifting forward like almost like in the stopped time. Yeah. Right. Like you're seeing a blue aftershadow as you hold forward or back. And in the air, you can do up or down as well. And it you slide in time forward and then resume your action.
Starting point is 02:19:39 So if I push you out, FADC is from SF4 on crack. Oh, exactly. Right. So in theory, right, Potemkin has a new punch that builds about 30 percent of your block stun. That's a lot. Right. Your risk meter. Sure. Yeah. So if you were to do a combo and then do that and then they block it, that's 30 percent. You spend some of your bar to then drift
Starting point is 02:20:06 Roman cancelling forward and do it again. And if you have a more bar, you do it a third time. And the next thing that touches them is 75 percent of your life. Yeah. All right. It's an so all of that I'm trying to explain that is do you follow? Like, I don't know if I got caught stuck in the corner and blocking everything. Yeah, you're going to die.
Starting point is 02:20:28 I don't know if that went to. No, I get it. But I try to keep it pretty general. But so what you're kind of doing is you're more or less kind of like pressuring somebody as long as you have a super meter. And then you're making them afraid of getting touched, right? And they can then do things to get out of it. That's, you know, but it's essentially like do you remember when Grey Life showed up in Street Fighter?
Starting point is 02:20:53 Yeah. Right. So you could do like of like when you did like a focus attack in Street Fighter Four, it would take some life that wasn't real damage. Yeah. But if you got hit again, then it would become real damage. But if you waited long enough, it would heal back, right? That's kind of like this. It's interesting because killer instinct. It's like, you know, too aggressive, too loose, get counter hit to death.
Starting point is 02:21:16 Too defensive, get fucking blown up. Yeah. On one mix up, essentially. So all of the crazy stuff that we're seeing where we saw Soul do a grab that did like a crazy amount. Yeah. What's up with that? His wild throat is like 50 percent. It's nonsense. It's so crazy, right? I saw Potemkin do 70 percent to chip off one Potemkin buster.
Starting point is 02:21:38 Chip chip chip melts to everything. But Chip dies very quickly because he has lower health than other characters. I thought it was because he had lower guts. Well, that's yeah, but I'm trying to. Yeah, I know, I know. You know what I mean? Speaking shit. Yeah. He does. He has lower guts, exactly. But but effectively, don't worry about that.
Starting point is 02:21:54 Let's just keep it surface. He's he's got lower life, right? And yeah, so there's these moments of like, oh, my God, what happened to the life bar? But none of those compared to this this thing I'm talking about. Yeah, right. So and what this thing is, this thing does so much damage that, again, it becomes your game plan. And that reminds me of Samurai Showdown,
Starting point is 02:22:17 where Samurai Showdown has the the East end. It's the lightning blade, right? Where it's that attack you see in Samurai Showdown, if you've ever watched footage where someone suddenly flies across the screen and then and then does one like like Ninja Gaiden style, like I put my sword away and then you just go boom. And then your life bar just goes to like 10 percent or dies. It almost takes your whole life.
Starting point is 02:22:40 It's one of those style things, right? There's a there's a way for you to dive insanely quickly if you fuck up badly, you know? So this is where the game is going. And we discovered this and scratch the surface of it at the end of the night on the second day. That's a bummer. And when we found it, like we were freaking out and trying to find new ways to do things and trying to like experiment with it.
Starting point is 02:23:04 And we at one point we turned around and saw like the arxist guy just standing there with his hands crossed, smiling. Yeah, just like they found it. Yeah, you know, because they're like, they were not telling people about a lot of that stuff. Even the drift thing I'm talking about, the drift RC drift Roman Cancel was not explained to people. It's just like there's secrets about Roman Cancel, figure them out, you know?
Starting point is 02:23:32 So, yeah. Anyway, like that discovery cracked a lot of this puzzle open to me and to Reggie and to Octo. And we just kind of walked out of there trying to go like, what does this mean for the game, for the rest of the characters, for the cast? Like, what's the plan? And it's just like it makes the whole thing like your goal is to punch the other guy and make his life go down.
Starting point is 02:23:57 As is always the case. But you have a secondary goal that's going to be always present in your game plan, yeah, and it's going to be trying to get that launcher on them, right? And the way the game makes you feel like you're doing the cool thing is by when you successfully land that or when you knock them through the wall, which is another which is really cool looking. It moves you from one stage to a second stage. So every stage is actually like three different areas
Starting point is 02:24:27 and you can knock them from one to the other. And like, it's like, yo, you fucking you beat their ass to the second area. Like you're doing the right thing. Injustice did it. Dragonball did it. But the way Injustice did it was just a thing you would do near the corner. Right. In this case, I mean, in this case, it's a thing you do in the corner or you can launch them there. But the point is that like, you know, you got to beat their ass into the other stage.
Starting point is 02:24:51 Yeah, the corner is a very in depth discussion that I also like, we go into that video and we break it down. So, you know, I don't want to like spend too much time here on it. But the the short version of it is that like something in fighting games used to be that like you always would if you get stuck in the corner, you can't get out. Like if someone's really good at just like being like, fuck you, you can't jump over me. Right. Yeah, there are situations. It's like, I'm the corner guess, I'll just die.
Starting point is 02:25:16 Now, here's the thing, right? If you're a really good player and you're fighting another really good player, that's awesome because it means you have to you lost the battle for space. And then you're now got your back. You got your back against the wall, literally. And I should be able to capitalize on that, right? But if you're a beginner fighting someone who is really, really good, you're just like, I'm just I guess I'll die.
Starting point is 02:25:42 Right. So the the compromise that I try to go for here was if you beat someone up in the corner long enough, right? You will have a moment where you can choose to finish that combo and punch them out of the corner and they'll get back to the new stage in the middle. So they're not cornered anymore. But you get a dammit, you got damage out of punching them to the next stage. Also, you got a visual reward and you got a visual reward and you get more super meter, right?
Starting point is 02:26:13 Which as we established earlier, makes it way easier to kill the person. Right. Right. But you don't have to do that. If you don't want to punch them through the stage, you can actually just let them fall down from the wall and then keep them in a corner, keep them pressured by doing something as soon as they're able to play, which means they have a chance to get out. Yes. Ah, so you choose that's pretty good.
Starting point is 02:26:36 I like that you choose between maintaining your your place in the corner or allowing them to get out. But you get a big buff on American combo or Canadian. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I don't want to go too much. I know, I just love that term so much. Yeah, Canadian resets is the oh man, look at that one. So, yeah, on a visual level, there is nothing out there.
Starting point is 02:27:01 Probably the best looking game. Like, I think Death Stranding is probably the best looking, like photo realistic style game. But in general, I would say that this game looks the best of anything I can think of. Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to like like fucking spoil my own my own whatever my own lead your own content on on the interview, right? But when talking about like what's up with the visuals, you know, right, Daisuke was like, hey, but in short, he just kind of went like,
Starting point is 02:27:33 yeah, you know, excerpt came out and crushed it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, well, Dragon Ball came out after that and crushed it even harder. Yeah. And then Grand Bleu is continuing to do that. Grand Bleu is in between. And it's really cool. And both of those games are like the natural evolution of the excerpt look, which is like, yeah, we got that art style down, right?
Starting point is 02:27:55 We've picked an anime art style and we wanted it to look 2D and we fucking nailed it, right? Where else do we go from here? And he's like, well, guilty your strive. We started saying, let's look at movies and let's go for the feeling that films give you. And so that's what they wanted to put into it. And so that's why you see those character intros where they're doing the stare down, you're seeing the aspect ratio cut, you know, like they're going for cinematic feelings, which is a bad word.
Starting point is 02:28:29 When we talk about like, no, but I get it. It's it's the move from. Something like Epo in terms of or like like an anime, like a proper anime fighter to like Red Line. Yeah, yeah, we're exactly you just you love you take it to the next level because there's just so much more that your team is capable of now, right? They figured out how to do this better than anyone in the industry. So we're going to blow you away.
Starting point is 02:29:01 It's kind of not visual because like usually when there's a new type of graphical style or whatever, somebody comes out and crushes it. And there's like a couple of imitators. You're like, oh, that's a cool, you know, take on like, you know, when cel shading came out, right? Yes, that's a cool take on cel shading, Nintendo. And then Zone of the Enders did kind of like half cel shading. Arxis is doing all of them by themselves.
Starting point is 02:29:28 They're the ones who put out another game and another game and another game. There was a variation of this style, different variations like Grand Blue has a really specific look that I think looks fucking gorgeous. And it's not like the look that Dragon Ball has. Arxis is basically out here becoming the new foundation for fighting games. They're taking the mantle. If they could get that rollback net code into their game. It is a it is a ghost belt.
Starting point is 02:30:01 That automatically appears on their on their waist. The moment they confirm GGPO. It's not going to have GGPO is it? It's it's all possible. OK, that's a weird statement, because I remember Capcom granted. Capcom is not Arxis, which is weird. This is weird. It's weird talking about this like Capcom isn't the winner by the way.
Starting point is 02:30:29 Or they were like, we're thinking about it. And then they did it. But then they did it badly. Yeah, and we're thinking about it. We're thinking about it. And then they did it. And I was like, this isn't now. This isn't what we want to.
Starting point is 02:30:38 It's rollback, but it's badly implemented. Rollback. So this is why we get these weird jump arounds. Yeah, jump arounds, jump, jump, jump up and get down. Arxis to add like so again, I ask him in the interview, of course, you know, and the the it's this it's the answer that like, hey, it's the one they gave before before, they're like, we're talking about it internally. Right. Yeah. But it's more than that, because he's like, actually,
Starting point is 02:31:01 it's not just that we're talking about it internally. Like the programmers are looking into it. We're having the discussions, but this is not just for this game. We're having a Arxis wide look at the implementation of this into everything, into multiple projects. Right. So it's a bigger talk. So it takes longer because it is an infrastructure reset. But nothing further till the results of those conversations.
Starting point is 02:31:28 So this is the one thing that is I'm in this weird place where it's like, man, I really want a fighting game that I can sink into like I used to back in the old days. I miss it. I really do. When I look at, well, the cannons and Killian, they're making that League of Legends thing. And Guilty Gear is making Guilty Gear, which are Arxis. And it's like, boy, I would much rather it to be Guilty Gear to be the pinnacle of all fighting lines.
Starting point is 02:31:57 Yeah. Yeah. But you know that Cannon Brothers fighting game, well, it better have the best online in any fighting game of all time. If they invented the fucking concept, it is all it is not even a question. It is a matter of time. So it's like, I really don't want to have a situation where there's the game that I really love that has worse online than the game that I don't that I like. But that isn't as good in my mind or whatever.
Starting point is 02:32:28 You know, that has the flawless local feeling shit forever. You know what the game with good online is right now? What's that? Mortal Kombat. Are you fucking for real? That's are you serious? That's serious. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm like, I'm genuinely fucking shot. What are you talking about? That's serious.
Starting point is 02:32:42 It's the one that right now that people are like, yeah, they got it. What is it using? I'm pretty sure it's it's using a throwback and it's doing a lot of more combat's using robot and it's using and it's doing a lot of things to help you out, like literally, like giving you the option to see a Wi-Fi player and immediately just not match with. Oh, yeah, man, get out of here. Like right now, they're actually the ones that are people are like, yeah,
Starting point is 02:33:11 they get it, right? And so it's just like, here we go, continuing the trend. A Western fighting game is gets it. So here's the thing, right? That I'm thinking is G.G.P.O. Maybe this is is the wrong sentiment. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've talked to other people and they feel this way. So it's it's a common wrong.
Starting point is 02:33:30 I feel like G.G.P.O. has existed. It's like this fringe, like it reminds me of that dude at the conference. It goes, when's Linux support? Right? It's like, yeah, no, that's a really cool implementation. And it's incredibly useful, but it just it just doesn't get used all that often. Skullgirls has it, I believe. And, you know, Third Strike Online Edition had it and what have you. And it's great when it's great.
Starting point is 02:33:59 Yeah. And it's just, but none of the big boys use it. Yep. And Mortal Kombat, because it requires you to build your game in such a way that you have it planned for from day one. But one of the reasons I always assumed is that it's since it's so much extra work to make it good, essentially, since none of the other big boys are using it. It's not quite as important that we use it because we'll still be better than those guys. But now Mortal Kombat's a big boy, more combats of real ass fighting. I really don't like I want to be really clear.
Starting point is 02:34:34 I really don't like the new Mortal Kombat. I don't like it at all. But it's a big fucking deal and shit ton of people play it. So the fact that it has aces netcode, you're telling me, is a big deal to Capcom, to ArcSys, to everybody else. Yeah, it should be anyway. So we're now in, I mean, I've said this a bunch of times to people. So I'm just looting the face with it.
Starting point is 02:34:58 It's a dead horse a little bit. But like there we're now in an era of like games with quality of life improvements to all the little things have been out for a while, right? When Skullgirls come out. Oh, God. You know what I mean? When the K.I. come out, it's it's just the longer we go with new, big, expensive, shiny productions that ignore some of these basic little things that we've already figured out.
Starting point is 02:35:31 The more embarrassing it gets, right? Because suddenly the whole tap button to tap your your stick buttons to input your button config thing goes from being like a mild frustration to a what the fuck are they doing? I haven't done this in years. Yeah, you know, when you're you're scrolling to especially with the way people migrate from fighting in a fighting game, you go from the fighting game that had it to the fighting game that doesn't.
Starting point is 02:35:56 You're like, why? And it just bothers you every time, you know, not having a rematch option in the first persona there and things like like that was the worst one ever. There's just these insane little things, you know, that defied fucking belief. Like if you know, no matter what you feel about Neo, right? If you play Neo for a while and then go back to other souls,
Starting point is 02:36:21 likes you're going to feel a lack of quality of life. Yeah, because nothing has polished it up as much as Neo has, you know. And I don't think Neo is nearly as good as Dark Souls, but it has all those things. So I go, hmm. And as we go further in time, the like the net like these things like improve upon themselves and get better and better. And your thing is still old and busted.
Starting point is 02:36:47 And like the rest of the game is glorious. But holy fuck, guys, right? Anyway, we're getting lost in the weeds a little bit. But like the thing that we're talking about, which is like online has become a de facto way of life to the average fighting game person. Yeah. So it should be a priority. Yeah. So, you know, there'd be a lot more strong ass players if online was almost even as almost as good as local.
Starting point is 02:37:14 Well, like other genres. Yeah. Where you can just hit the internet button and have a good match. Not even think about it, you know. Anyway, but ultimately, yeah, I mean. So it's bad. New Guilty Gear is going to suck. Any other questions? Because like, um, right now, like, I think the only other thing I really want
Starting point is 02:37:38 to say is to touch it is Faust. I like his redesign a lot. Faust looks like a zombie man now. Look, he's wearing scrubs. He's wearing scrubs. He's like a doctor. And it's like, OK, that's fine. He's a horror character.
Starting point is 02:37:48 He's also evil looking. Oh, that intro looked really, which he hasn't been in a while. Dr. Bald Head is fucked up. Yeah. But it's like, are we going back to Faust being evil? I think that's OK. It might be. It might be. If we can also touch on for a minute. I believe it's Naoki Hashimoto.
Starting point is 02:38:14 On the vocals of these tracks, bullshit blazing, smell of the game, right? The feeling and hearing of hearing the crowd singing along to it was super cool. So love that moment. Love that kind of stuff. And then hearing the other songs as well. Like, I thought that was the smell of the game was going to be it. But I found myself singing society over and over just society.
Starting point is 02:38:44 Society. It's so good. So, you know, I think I know why I had such an incredibly negative reaction to smell of the game. It's metal. It's late 90s metal. It's grungy. They're good songs. But they are done in the same kind of metal style that St.
Starting point is 02:39:09 Anger was, OK, OK, totally sounds like James Hetfield on the St. Anger album. And my fucking St. Anger based musical PTSD kicks the fuck in every time I hear smell of the game. And like, well, fuck. Well, he's he's he's a musician going back to like the 80s. Yeah. And did you know what his band's name was?
Starting point is 02:39:37 Of course, I don't tell me. Outrage. Oh, my God. Is this a fucking guilty gear band? Other way around. Oh, man. That's sick. Confirmed from the man himself. So fun stuff.
Starting point is 02:39:58 Fucking Jojo ask with this music shit. Gets your lure. If you're in the if you're in the if you're into the guilty gear law, man, I got to read up. I've missed a couple. Yo, you need to go check out the backyard. Oh, shut up about the backyard. Anyway, so, yeah, you know, that's a man like, like, you know,
Starting point is 02:40:22 things are polished to a mirror machine audio visually. Gameplay has some things that are philosophically super interesting and an execution like I'm like, OK, I'm I'm I'm seeing the idea here. Right. And and then there's just the part where you're like, you know, you just touch it and you're like, I'm having fun. I'm having fun. Yeah. But the stuff that, like, definitely some people are looking for that are just like, you know, but excerpt brought in, like,
Starting point is 02:40:52 set like a ton of ways to express yourself creatively using the the massive amount of tools, character unique systems and movement options. Like it's just like porn for someone who likes to get technical and like 100 percent those like like those concerns are warranted. Yeah. You know, and people that are like in love with those aspects are definitely going to be like not.
Starting point is 02:41:29 Certainly on board. They're not for sure going to be on board with the new version of them, right? Because and the thing is, is that they but there's a chance they might because the new version has put the depth, like he said, like it's put it in other places. It's not removed. It's just it's it's relocated and other aspects to it because they wanted to make you play the game more often.
Starting point is 02:41:53 Right. The the analogy I use in the video at one point is like, I feel like Daisuke was watching a match of Dragon Ball fighters. Yeah, he saw adult Gohan put someone in the corner and he saw Goichi just do the the fucking lightning leg kicks for like a year. And he went, oh, my God, no, no, no, no, no, this, none of that. And then just designed a philosophy around not being that. Right. So now it's like every time someone is forced to block,
Starting point is 02:42:26 they're blocking for much shorter periods of time. But the thing that you get from that short period of time is like the reward for making them block is good. Yeah. You know, so it's like we don't need to stare at you for 10 seconds or 20 seconds before you get some sort of reward. I can get it really quickly, right? But. It is true that just like pressing buttons is a fun thing to do, you know.
Starting point is 02:42:55 So it's going to be it's going to be touch and go. But I guarantee for a lot of you guys, the majority of the people listening to this, once you touch it, you're just going to be like, you're going to have fun with it. And you're going to like be blown away by just like the the how fun it can feel to in addition to this visually being so gorgeous to do these drift movements so constantly. And like, yeah, you like you're having a Jotaro versus Dio stand battle where you're just like, well, this is like moving in and out.
Starting point is 02:43:27 Maximum. We've you're we've been out so bad. But like but stop like the world, the world and Star Platinum, the world, just kind of having these moments of like, I stopped you. I'm moving in and then you're like, you have an exchange and then they're like, and now I'm moving out. So, you know, let me ask you a question now that you've one of the one of the characters that got shown off that we haven't seen in like in game really was the Black Robo Samurai.
Starting point is 02:43:55 Yes, Samurai Man. Does he have a name even? Nope, not yet. And someone acts almost accidentally said it, but didn't. So I would like not now that now that you hung out with Daisuke and you hung out a little bit. And he's seen you and met you and shit. Yeah, that tweet, by the way, would you would you fucking wager a coin flip
Starting point is 02:44:22 on whether or not the green color palette for that character is going to have like blonde dreads or some shit? Because like, hmm, I think it's what's money exchange. I think it's possible, but not for the reasons you think. Yeah, I think it's possible because guilty gear has always had more colors than you need way more. Do you do you want twenty five color options, plus two or three bonus crazy wacky ones before you hit the DLC?
Starting point is 02:44:54 There you go. Yeah, you're going to have all possible combinations of colors. So don't even worry about that. That's coming. Um, and I'm kind of like, I can't believe we still haven't seen more of him yet. It's a bit wacky. It's weird. We saw his face and then we got five character reveals and they were all
Starting point is 02:45:17 returning characters and then we didn't find out more. How, uh, how big do you think the roster is going to be like 16 is the number? I'm not expecting I would be shocked if it was higher than 16. I would be shocked if it was, uh, higher than 14. I kind of thinking 12 to 16. Yeah, exactly. And I'm going to feel like two newbies and all returning otherwise. Like, can we get Testament in there?
Starting point is 02:45:45 That's my ask because that's my ask. Like, I don't like Testament. I'm bad with him. The trap character stuff is really cool. And he's he's been gone for a while. And his like style and animation and everything about him is guilty gear as fuck. Can we get like a goth goth man in there? Can we get can we get ABBA back?
Starting point is 02:46:09 Yep. As the weirdo Zappa, Colin and Rao. Zappa in 3D money, dude, big God, Rao. So breathing in 3D. I'm going to I'm going to stop for a second. Willie and I have had a discussion about characters in the new guilty gear. I think 10 times now in this podcast and every time you say Zappa, I go, Zappa is so expensive, Zappa, so money.
Starting point is 02:46:33 If you don't know who we're talking about, go look up the character of Zappa in guilty gear, XX, it's money. He deformation. He's a character that has the ability to summon three or four different kinds of stance, and he also contorts his body in way in 2D. He stretches his body of his body in impossible ways. But then again, they made Bedman. They didn't make Bedman.
Starting point is 02:46:54 So anything's possible. Was Bedman the test for Zappa? Bedman was the person who Daisuke said was like one of the craziest challenging designs that they had. I bet, man. So God, what was I going to say to? Oh, yeah, I was going to say that like I also I brought up Testament as well as an example of a character that also comes from
Starting point is 02:47:18 an era where guilty gear was like more brutal and gruesome, all right? Some of the crazier animations he had or like some of the like skull and bone stages, like, you know, some of these like album cover things he was going for. And the idea that it looks a lot less like that nowadays is not due to him necessarily having changing tastes, but more so about him having a team of other people that he's working with that are not him. So that is going to be what it's going to be. But yeah, some real some real fun stuff all the way all the way through on that.
Starting point is 02:48:02 And I guess this game's far away, right? Yeah, this is late 2020. OK, this is late 2020. That's bomber. Take your time, I suppose. And now now that the so the title is announced, and I guess I'll a crack one little thing that I heard that was super funny and interesting that I thought was rad, which was the idea that like so guilty of strife. Very cool name. Yeah, I like it, right?
Starting point is 02:48:28 And it even has the strife for in it. Oh, look at that. But it's a lot more natural than most to do. The fourth, I'll just do it through, right? Strife, strife, right? Signed strife. Yeah. It's better than fucking eggs or holy shit. So apparently, apparently one of the working titles before.
Starting point is 02:48:50 Well, thank God, we don't have to say Gigi 2020 anymore. Oh, yeah, right. That was exhausting. We just say strife now before we got to this title. There's a couple of titles that were being bounced around. And one of the working ones that didn't go through was guilty gear. The guilty gear. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, that's so awful.
Starting point is 02:49:16 That's the worst title I've ever heard. The best thing in the world. Oh, my God. And the and the and the pun, not the pun, but the idea is like the band that has the album named. Yeah. For themselves. Right. It's that's the that's what that's what you're going for. That's so terrible. I would have loved it so much.
Starting point is 02:49:41 That would have been Gigi TGG. Yeah. Or just Gigi Gigi. Right now we have Gigi S, which is Gigi's good games. Yeah. Right. Good games. But G4 early, but guilty gear, the guilty gear. And if it happened, this is like the self titled, right? And if it happened to be somewhere in the story that like it was also like like souls,
Starting point is 02:50:07 the main character again, guess what? Ha ha. Well, I don't know if you saw, but there was another interview he did. And the implication was that there's a possibility this might be the conclusion of soul story. Really? Not the conclusion of soul, never, never. But this might be the conclusion of soul story. Interesting. It won't be. But it might be. But cool. And who is soul?
Starting point is 02:50:30 He's the bad guy. The guilty gear. Yeah, he's the guilty gear. He's also Freddie Mercury. Yeah, he's Freddie. So if you call the game, guilty gear, the guilty gear, I'm fucking all about that life. But anyway, that that that was a fun little tidbit. But yeah, Strive it is.
Starting point is 02:50:49 Strive is good. Strive is good. Strive is good. Anyway, so there will be more. So right now you can go check out some a few hours in mediocre gameplay of Guilty Gear Strive on my channel I would say it's actually considerably better than some of the offscreen stuff I was looking at prior and the quality of the footage is way higher than all that shit.
Starting point is 02:51:13 Yeah, that that's nice that I was able to get that that feed. The second I put out a video this morning, like I said, it's about an it's about an hour and a half. And it's a very technical discussion about me and Reggie going in on the things I talked about just now, the big dork nerd shit. Yep. And then what we discovered and what we think the philosophy behind a lot of this is and as well as addressing a lot of little a lot of concerns that like again, we had that others had as well
Starting point is 02:51:42 about like the nature of things that are like that looks like a bad idea. For example, you can block in the air now if someone does like a DP like if someone does like a shoryukin like a dragon punch or like an anti air move, you can block it. That's odd. That seems like a bad idea. But there's more to it than that. Where it's like, oh, actually, wait, hold on. It might actually be better thought out than I thought.
Starting point is 02:52:07 You know, so there's little things like that. So check that all out over on Woolly versus. And then, of course, the interview almost done. Just need to do some finishing edits to touch that up. But like for the most part, that's going to be ready to go as quickly as possible as well. You know, again, this is one of those things where like you get off the plane and you have a hole burning in your pocket, which is like exclusive footage and information that like people need to know.
Starting point is 02:52:34 And I'm I that's why I didn't sleep because I just was trying to fucking get this stuff to you guys as quickly as possible. So please look forward. I was about to say something really stupid. But the the genesis of that thought is interesting because I was about to say what was it like meeting the man saving fighting games? A question that we I have been using the term saving fighting games for like 12 years.
Starting point is 02:53:02 That's a hilarious thing that you're about to say, because I was actually about to go in the same direction. I've heard it since 10 years since 2007. So I think it's a foregone a two things about that. One of all the fighting game rock stars to meet. Yeah, that's the one. He's the rock star. That's the one. Yeah, not just because of what he's done.
Starting point is 02:53:23 But in terms of his games, but also because there's no other person that you can say is like the artist, the voice actor, the musician, the writer, the game planner, the battle planner, the fucking omnie everything guy. So one of the bigger things that has touched all aspects of his game. One of the things in game development is you don't really have a lot of off tours and the two often team efforts are designated to a single individual. Like people often say that Kojima gets too much credit,
Starting point is 02:53:54 despite the fact that he's on a big team. The point is that Kojima does involve himself and oversee almost every part of the game. Daisuke, am I saying it right Isha Watari? Yeah, literally fucking. Like it's it's as close as you could get to like springing forth from the mind of Zeus like it is. These are his games. It is it is it is similar to pixel making cave story,
Starting point is 02:54:24 except an incredibly talented team of ridiculous individuals making the art and music and such alongside him are there. But he has touched all aspects of creative creativity. Yeah. Right. So you're like, yeah, this guy has the capability to like oversee and like big brain the situation. Yeah. Right. Now, as to your other thing about saving fighting games, did you see my tweet? I didn't. OK.
Starting point is 02:54:53 I mean, it was a tweet for you. Probably it's a bit buried now at this point. Oh, yeah. It was from that weekend where it was just a shot of us sitting at the table talking and I said something to the effect of Daisuke Isha Watari is really out here trying to save fighting games, you know, to which it's like, yeah, that's a there it is. Yeah. Now, the operative word is trying. The operative word is trying.
Starting point is 02:55:19 Right. Mm hmm. Like you have to understand that like everything I'm saying is not without its asterisk, not without its grains of salt, not without its caveats, especially since as many people pointed out, I'm not a top player. I am a scrub that gets very excited a lot of the time. And I do not have the top players of view from the mountaintop. Yeah, I am somewhere on the mountain, not at the bottom,
Starting point is 02:55:53 but I'm somewhere on the mountain. And you love that mountain, but I can't see as far as the person on top of the mountain can see. So like absolutely everything I say is totally subject to being called the fuck out by people with a better understanding and or just more knowledge. Well, let me ask you a question. Octopimp fucking whipped your ass, right?
Starting point is 02:56:16 Octopimp's a fucking beast. He's good. All right. Does he like it? Yeah, he was having some fun. OK, good. There you go. Done. Good game. You know, yeah, you go up the chain, find somebody who kicks Octopimp's ass and be like, do you like it?
Starting point is 02:56:32 Let's see if that continues. Yeah, there's, you know, and like some people that touched it are reporting that they like that, you know, they said, like, yeah, I like the feeling of that. Other people are, you know, really still concerned about like the damage and really still concerned about the, you know, the lack of teching and about the lack of gattling and about the aspects that are more homogenized across the board and things like that.
Starting point is 02:56:55 So there's there's there's super valid concerns, you know, and there's and it's not to say like, no, I ignore all that like this. So one of the things Max said, I think Max still here, but one of the things he did point out earlier was that Guilty Gear is going to, by default, with this kind of stuff, sacrifice some of its core audience to try and get a much bigger audience, which is a gamble. Yes. But it does happen every single time a new fighting game comes out.
Starting point is 02:57:19 Yeah. That is not a follow up to the current franchise. So when Excerd Sign was announced, there definitely was a lot of people that I saw that were very upset with that because the people that love plus are didn't like the direction that that was going. But at the same time, it's like you guys got enough XX remixes. There's a lot of them. There were a lot of those.
Starting point is 02:57:42 But but but the idea of of like the next yet, but the idea of the next step being like this is the cool, like cash money upgrade to the franchise that I love, but it's going away from what I loved, you know, like that's the thing where it's like it feels bad if you're like the stock that you had at the time is being like kind of lost, right? Yeah, like remember Melee to Brawl was was, you know, yeah, it was what it was for a lot of like people that play that like seriously.
Starting point is 02:58:09 And, you know, and that exists in the same place as me talking about those neogaf posts back in the day that were like this new Street Fighter is just watered down. The fundamentals are gone and it sucks. And this was back in the early 1999, 2000 era because they were talking about Third Strike. Yeah. Right. Someone found posts and just clipped them.
Starting point is 02:58:38 And then like it isn't until the bottom of the paragraph that you see they're talking about Street Fighter, three Third Strike, and you're like, whoa, yeah, it's hard to know. Right. So there is that just there is just that part of it as well. But I don't you don't do that to hand wave and say that, like, you poo poo those those remarks because no, like a bunch of the shit coming up was very, very valid, you know. So there are people that like love plus are that hated excerpt,
Starting point is 02:59:09 even as it is now. Yeah. That like I saw someone kind of going like I was hoping this would be more like a return to what plus are was. And if I hopped on Revelator, I should hit PS4, right? Yes. No, but like not PC because there's more people on PS4. No, there's a lot of people on PC to PC's. PC's good too. Yeah. You can go either way on it, but PS4 would have more.
Starting point is 02:59:31 Yeah, but PC's actually healthy. But yeah, all that to say that exactly like there's there's that little bit, you know, where you've put a lot of time into something and you've grown to love it. And then this is the new the new one. And like if it goes in the further in the direction of how it used to be, growth potential ends up being really risky, if not nullified, because like people just feel that this is the same thing you always do. You're always going to get the same thing you always do, right?
Starting point is 03:00:05 You know, the numbers go down instead of up and it gets becomes numbers. Don't lie. But you don't want to sacrifice depth in order to get new people. So we'll see. Yeah. Anyway, look forward to that all coming out soon. On Willy versus. Yes. On Willy versus. And what else do you do, man? Well, I played a bunch more tepid and I guess I'm sorry.
Starting point is 03:00:25 I'm in there. Oh, I guess I'm in there. Hey, people ask me if they people were asking me a question that I don't understand, you can answer it for me. Or like, hey, can we see tepid on stream? I'm like, does tepid even exist off your phone? Pretty sure. You can you can do recordings on your phone. No, Max does videos on it. Well, Max is a wizard.
Starting point is 03:00:45 Yeah, you can do phone recordings. Well, what if they see the stuff I have on my phone? If you've got an iPhone, there's a system recording option to just record video of your screen. Oh. So, yeah, you can totally do that. You can emulate phone stuff as well. I guess there's that possibility. Um, I don't think I'm going to do that.
Starting point is 03:01:06 Scary. But I don't want people to see stuff on my phone. But yeah, I've gotten in there and I'm currently I'm at what am I at? Am I at I'm at? I think I'm at a five for right in terms of ranking. What a you start at you start it. I think is it F or D five? I think you started D five and you work your way up through five, four, three, two, one, five, four, three, two, one and so on.
Starting point is 03:01:30 OK, that's pretty good. So if I, yeah, if I can get to a one, then I can get to the championship league, which is like F five. OK, so you started at five and work your way up. So if I can go from a five to a one, then I get a shot at being in the the big dick club. Yeah. So we'll see. It's a good time.
Starting point is 03:01:54 I'll tell you that, man. I'm putting my neuro deck together and having some fun with it. So don't don't. Don't get it twisted. There's some big old Capcom fucking jerk offs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Big old jerk offs. Hey, man, how do you how do you feel about like
Starting point is 03:02:14 random ass resident evil characters? They're none of them are random. Having like cards that do things that pertain to their personalities. Give me one name. I don't know them. So this bit would have worked a lot better if you could tell me. And I'd be like, wow, they got that guy in. I mean, like I told you about Rebecca Chambers last time.
Starting point is 03:02:35 Not she's important. OK, Dario. That's out there. Really, um, that bitch motherfucker dies in two seconds. Yeah, there's OK, there's I don't I don't. Everybody's going who in Resident Evil three, the fat guy who runs outside and gets fucking killed. Or no, the fat guy who doesn't want to leave the warehouse with Jill
Starting point is 03:03:05 and you come back to the warehouse later in the game, you got eaten. That's Dario. Oh, yeah, Lucia from DMC twos in there, for sure. Yeah, definitely. Hunk has a card and a bunch of a bunch of monster hunter monster. Dario is a character I would fully expect almost no one to remember that character's name. That's the kind of reference that I want in there.
Starting point is 03:03:26 Carlos definitely has a car. Oh, well, he's I mean, he's OK. Any playable characters that you're going to get a card. Yeah, sure. Um, yeah, man. No, there's a bunch of good old Capcom fabric. You tell me like Ellis from Caliban Cove, which is not a video game got in.
Starting point is 03:03:42 I'd lose my shit. Um, yeah. So that and I'm going to do a better when I get a chance to properly sit down. Oh, yeah, every one of those comms reploids from Mega Man. Shut up. Are you serious? All of those calm girls are all like there as cards as well.
Starting point is 03:04:04 Totally. Anyway, if if I get a chance to like I'm going to I'm going to this week, I'm going to sit down and do a proper like video addressing this on the channel, too. But so I did a poll the other day and I was just kind of like, yeah, I had some plans for some changes and I just wanted to like get a little bit of data on like how to fine tune things going forward. And with the poll that was just asking people on my YouTube channel,
Starting point is 03:04:32 hey, what do you guys like? What do you show up for? What is what's the reason you subbed? What's going on? People had, of course, a lot of feedback and and used it as an opportunity to not just answer the poll, but also drop some comments in there. Which, you know, going through, I was able to get a pretty good idea for what what people like.
Starting point is 03:04:53 All right, I want to see it. How frequently they want to see it. No more fighting games ever, ever get out of here, get out of fighting games. That's your show. Yeah, actually. So here's what's going on, right? There's a couple of ideas and I don't want to block a player calls you. You fucking tit, do not answer.
Starting point is 03:05:14 You put your phone down. So we're going to do like a lot of what we're going to a lot of what's coming is going to be pretty much that's just the same. But there's a some whatever black, some changes. So one of them is going to be that much like was suggested in something that I started a while back. I'm going to start streaming my recordings of the LPs, right? So basically, when I sit down with Reggie or men on a session to start
Starting point is 03:05:46 going through it and whatnot, kind of like I'm doing with Naruto at the moment. Yeah, I was about to say Naruto gave you the taste of that. Yeah, we're going to we're going to stream going through the the LPs. And that means there's going to be a jump from the present tense to, you know, yeah, the session and whatnot. But a lot of the time we during the day we sit down, we started like one at one p.m. and start going.
Starting point is 03:06:09 So going to start doing that. So people who want to sort of like hang in there and check out the stream on the regular can just can do that. People who prefer that can yeah, I'm getting it. Yeah. And then, of course, that's still going to become an episode. Yeah, that will head out there for most of the people that are enjoying it on the YouTube YouTube's going great.
Starting point is 03:06:34 There is we haven't even hit news yet. Oh, there is this. Have anything to do with your changes? Actually, it didn't. Well, the timing, but good fucking timing. They're not bad. So I'm going to be doing that. I would usually do get into fighting games
Starting point is 03:06:58 whenever I could on a Tuesday night, because I was trying to see if I could get an expert guest to come in and teach how to get you're not going to get them in the middle of the day because I got to go work some shit. So that'll stay at nighttime. But here's the good thing about that. I couldn't always get guests because like I want to play a lot of Skull Girls, for example, there's no one here in this city that plays Skull Girls. No one.
Starting point is 03:07:18 I'm going to have to get my friend from California to come out. That's a big right. That's I want to do a KOF episode. What am I going to do? Not get hell pockets. That's silly. But he also lives in California. So that's going to be really impossible.
Starting point is 03:07:31 Right. So this because why don't you just use a green screen and just put a second version of you. There you go. Or. Behold. Two things now when we have our guests, we will have our streams, which are going to be Thursday nights, Thursday nights.
Starting point is 03:07:51 Yeah, OK, freeing that up and moving things around for a little bit, concentrating it towards the end, because here's the problem. If I travel and I come back and then this gets moved to a podcast, gets moved to a Tuesday, then that automatically eats that. I'm going to tell you right now, I've said this before, I can't do to Tuesday afternoon pocket. Yeah, yeah. So if it doesn't happen on a Monday, then it's got to be a Wednesday.
Starting point is 03:08:10 Yeah. So in order to avoid the the you know, that situation and whatnot, let's not go going to go going to go for that Thursday night and hear two things. Right. If we have a guest that knows the game and can walk us through it and teach us how, then we will be doing get into fighting games. For glory. But if we don't and we just want to pop a game in such an asshole and dick around
Starting point is 03:08:38 with it, you are such a fucking stupid piece of what we're doing, please look forward to get into fighting games for fun. You're such an asshole. So yeah, man, we're just going to do dumb sessions, bullshit. There's going to be effectively, it's going to tell you right up top, which one of the two you're going to be getting. You're just doing the fucking of F and F scrub lords thing again. It's just saying I want to play fighting games,
Starting point is 03:09:06 but I don't always have an expert around to teach us how to get into them. Just to pretend, put on some glasses. Yeah, I'm just doing it. And guess what? I want to play some fighting games. Yeah. So please look forward to get into fighting games for fun and get into fighting games for glory coming soon.
Starting point is 03:09:24 And that'll like allow us to just do it more often and get more games in with people that just want to chill out. And obviously, I'm going to imagine that if everyone starts screaming at you that they hate it, this is all temporary and could go back. But I doubt that. I think people just want to watch games and get some fun in there. And when the opportunity to learn presents itself, which it often doesn't, it's probably better to have an episode of something casually for fun
Starting point is 03:09:48 than it is to have silence and nothing until the next expert shows up. That's correct. Right. Between Esteban showing his dark stalkers and I guess a smash ultimate. There was a pretty big gap. I think the only piece of advice about creative endeavors that I have ever given that I ever feel confident repeating to people was every I am. I am surrounded not just by creative types in general.
Starting point is 03:10:16 Like I would call you a creative type, right? But artists, right? Of all different styles. Video artists, proper picture artists. Everybody wants to make their masterpiece and their amazing, perfect thing. And they take forever and forever. And all I tell all of them is like, just make garbage. Just make more garbage.
Starting point is 03:10:41 Just make as much garbage as you can. You have to. And some of it will be good. You have to. Yeah. That's the same advice I gave on Woolly. We'll figure it out. Yeah, which will also be coming back more frequently as well.
Starting point is 03:10:54 Because effectively, some of the feedback was not just about like the fighting game streams and not just about like streaming more often. There's also like things like, hey, like we would like to see that variety stuff more often. Yeah, I'd like to listen to Woolly versus. It is sorry. Woolly will figure it out. It is a calming presence that gives me a brief reprieve for my anxiety to
Starting point is 03:11:16 allow me to masturbate. I would probably have been one of those comments. Okay, I was going to say, I didn't, I didn't realize. No, I don't listen to your stuff. I don't listen to my care. The sound of my voice at this point, like, no, I don't even hear it. Like, how would you even get just turns directly into ideas? How would you even get through this podcast with such a chumper, you know?
Starting point is 03:11:36 You know, just jam it in between your legs. Okay, well, maybe it'll make you feel a little taller. Is that you started that? You, you, you dove in on that and now you don't want the answer. That's your fault. Guess what, folks? It's not a rocking chair. You know what?
Starting point is 03:11:57 That's a, hey, you know what? I'll, hey, I'll take that compliment. That's all right. Thanks. So, uh, then, uh, so there's that is, that's going to happen as well as just, and this is more of a behind the scenes thing, but just, uh, I'm going to be dedicating my Fridays to, uh, working on, uh, scripted stuff. Right.
Starting point is 03:12:19 So whether that's, uh, P O R N, whether that's, uh, you know, Kirby Lore or anything else fun, I'm going to be just spending my time on Fridays to do that. And then that'll come out not as frequently, but every once in a while it will exist. Right. So this is basically what I'm, I'm, uh, rededicating myself towards, uh, with the channel.
Starting point is 03:12:43 And, um, I think it should be a lot of fun. Also, uh, lastly, uh, on, uh, in terms of this, just channel update stuff. Housekeeping. Housekeeping. That's a good way of putting it. Um, one thing that a lot of you guys brought up was just, was like more or less something to the effects of shut the fuck up. Wally, you stupid idiot, make a Patreon.
Starting point is 03:13:04 We love you. Shut up. I saw that thread. That thread got big. Right. And it was just a lot of people kind of going like, dude, fucking shut up, shut up and take it. Right.
Starting point is 03:13:17 Um, so here's what I did. Uh, I grabbed the URL from the bottom of my Twitch page. That was a donate button. Yeah. And I put it underneath my YouTube videos and wrote the word tip jar next to it. That's a step. That's a step.
Starting point is 03:13:35 Patreon's a much bigger step. A lot of people don't know that. Patrons like it's a, it's a process. It's a fucking thing. But in terms of like a couple of people that said, more than a couple of people that said like, dude, even if it's just a tip jar, put your tips in Wally guys. Come on. So I was like, okay, come on, this does exist.
Starting point is 03:13:55 It's a URL that sits here. So let me just put it to URL that when people hit it, money happens. So let me just, I'll take the thing that, because if they're looking for the one that's on Patreon.com. Yeah. Right. It's like, okay, well, let me just grab this. This is here.
Starting point is 03:14:08 So I'll do that. Like, I guess. And, but also just thank you, of course, to everybody who gave feedback on that. A whole lot of people, a good 20,000 people voted on that poll and really said what was up. That's a very significant sample size. Yes. I get a good feeling for like, you know, if every vote counts as a representation of
Starting point is 03:14:34 many more, then yeah, I think I can course correct. Oh, well, that's really sweet. Max in our, in our chat just said that it took him years to say yes to support from people directly. It was not easy for him. Yeah. And that's, he gets it. That's really laudable because like, pretty much within a week of streaming, I was saying
Starting point is 03:14:54 like, I'll say any stupid shit, you give me money, just put your fucking money dicks in my mouth. I'll suck them. Max gets it, man. Like it's something where you can send money to me right now. Listen, listen, we're trying to say here is that like, when you see that there's a system where you're like, but I can do this with ads, right? And the ads will do it.
Starting point is 03:15:15 You don't have to do it person listening because the ads will do it. Then you want to use that system more, right? But then comes stuff. Yeah. Um, Oh, I put that ads on anyway. Yeah. That too.
Starting point is 03:15:33 Yeah. Let's throw, let's throw them on. But that's it. That's pretty much it. Yeah. Um, and you know, somewhere deep down, there's always that fear that like, um, there's always that fear that, you know, you, you, you, you had, you, you had to the, I can feel it. I can feel what your emotion is, but I can't like, you head to the con and then you meet
Starting point is 03:15:57 the individual that is like, listen, yeah. You owe me. Yeah. Oh, I haven't encountered that. Luckily, you know, bought this thing basically and I'm like, Oh, how do I even begin to have this conversation? No, I had, I had, I had one where I was like, Hey man, uh, it's me. I've been subbing for like 18 months and like, I don't know who you are.
Starting point is 03:16:21 I feel like shit right now. No. Oops. No, that's bad. But yeah, I guess I just, like if I love you though, no, but I guess, like if someone were to be like, Hey man, here's another bit for, um, uh, Kudalka looking for that Kudalka LP. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:16:40 Right. And, and then it keeps coming in and it's just like still waiting on it and then it's like, there's a guy who fucking kicked in, I want to say like 28 months of subs to Page begging for Dragon's talk. You know, that's the, that's the, I mean, this is the, it's the little, it's the extra little bit, but it's definitely a bit that, you know, is not completely Max was that Kudalka guys bugging you too. They're always around.
Starting point is 03:17:16 Yo Kudalka's okay. Yeah. Yeah. So that you, you know what I mean? It's a little bit of that in there. That's really funny. But guys, thank you so much for, for letting me know and as a, as somebody who's a much more comfortable, uh, rolling around in, in the shill slime, I have a, I have a piece
Starting point is 03:17:33 of advice for you, Willie, and for everyone at home and you want, you need to take this to heart. Lay it on me. thing to know is that all support emotional physical is no emotional, uh, social media wise financial is always supported, always appreciated, but the people who give you more money are your, are your closest friends. You guys don't know this, but Willie has a tip jar and if you give him 10 or more dollars, he will be your real friend for real.
Starting point is 03:18:14 He will come to have dinner with you at your mom's house. He's just kind of busy for the next forever. Think about that emotion. Click the para social button. I think, I think, I do it in a serious thing. I think that my way of dealing with the awkwardness of a para social relationship is to become so disgusting that it is like farcical and absurd, uh, right? Because I genuinely, I'll be serious here for a second.
Starting point is 03:18:47 I genuinely appreciate all the people who subscribe and donate. I don't think you should ever feel like you need to because, uh, especially there are people that have written in to ask me like, Hey, I'm sorry, I can't sub this month cause I'm broke. And it's like, yeah, don't sub if you're close to broke either, right? It's like, you know, that's a ridiculous thing, but there are those who do will eventually feel the way that it's like, Hey man, I'm your subscriber. We're pals now.
Starting point is 03:19:13 And that's a bizarre and, uh, it is not, no, it's not bizarre. It's just, it's an unhealthy way to view a financial situation because it puts an onus on the person giving it to be the recipient of emotions that may not happen. You deal with it by getting as gross as possible. Yeah. I deal with it by going to the events and saying hello. Yeah. And, um, so some nice people that have some nice things to say.
Starting point is 03:19:41 Oh, absolutely. But my idea is that, and I think it's working okay is that by being so disgusting, even the people who would normally be like, Oh yeah, are like, Oh no, wait, this is silly. This is silly. That's gross. I hate him. I wrote a relevant genius. You can't buy love, Joe.
Starting point is 03:20:01 Yeah, but you can rent it for a while. There you go. Everybody take your social lessons from fatal fury. My love is contingent on dollars. Okay. So, um, yes, big thanks to everybody on the woolly versus pole. Let's get into the news. This late in the game, uh, it's late in the game today for news, so we're going to do
Starting point is 03:20:31 it quick. There's one big, big motherfucking news we absolutely need to talk about. And that is the nature of emotional support mid set. Listen guys, if you're at a fighting game event, you can go off on this. If you're at a fighting game event and you have the audacity to have the ability to get laid, you better keep that S O away from you during your set because I swear to God, if that person comes up and says, you can do it, honey, I'm proud of you and maybe touches your shoulders a little bit.
Starting point is 03:21:12 That is a flagrant abuse of coaching in fighting games. And that's why we need to ban girlfriends from smash. Is this the part where I come in with them, the, the, the measured take? Yeah, I suppose it is okay. So there was a complaint about a smash tournament where a player, uh, was, uh, upset because he couldn't focus because the, the whole crowd was behind him and loud and against him and also, uh, the judge at the pool was also in that crowd. And also there was his, the girlfriend of the other player was massaging them between
Starting point is 03:21:57 sets and giving them encouraging words, which then led to the takeaway that, uh, encouraging words and massages during sets, emotional support is coaching and that should be banned. He wrote a little essay about it. Yeah. Um, it really, it blew up and it was really funny because it's fucking pathetic. But it really double blew up when Leffen noted top smash player and professional shitbag weighed in to say emotional support is coaching and should be against the rules. You like your, I do my research.
Starting point is 03:22:36 You still have it in, still have it in on the, on that, uh, on that dude. Um, oh, I have a mental list of all the top smash players and why they're dirtbags. I, I do work on this fucking dumb shit. And it's not simply for the game that Armada is the one that they're playing who cried about his controller. I do. Hungrybox is the one that had a goddamn coach up there sitting next to him for Evo grand finals the whole time.
Starting point is 03:23:05 Yes. Like, and was the one who was like, smash is so important guys. We really need to have private rooms because we're so much important in the other fighting games. This does not condone the messages of one angriest Pat, you know, who does Reggie, because I saw him responding to this shit going, this stupid shit's why I took the word smasher out of my bio. Oh, did he?
Starting point is 03:23:27 Hell yeah. That's great. That's funny. I didn't see it. No, but here's the deal, all kidding aside, um, what the fuck, that's that idea. That like you can't have someone just be like, you can do it, honey. Like it's not real coaching. It's like that's goofy garbage, right?
Starting point is 03:23:52 It's fucking crazy. And as someone who is actually someone who is actually from a city that is known for being loud and abrasive and fucking wild when it comes to supporting our scene. Uh, Rowdy, a little bit, right? Um, literally people thinking that Montreal were the ones who sent the ghost of Marvel to confront Chris G on stage at Evo because we're that's our fucking scene. Like literally that was the rumor. Like you can hear Evo, uh, um, uh, pools matches in it during the day where you hear
Starting point is 03:24:36 suddenly MTL in the background, like we fucking go crazy, right? Listen, I, this even goes back like this is not about fighting games, MTL as a bit of a history with sports. Let's call fighting games a sport for a second. Maybe we win, burn a couple of cop cars, trash the city, maybe, uh, we lose, maybe burn a couple of cop cars, trash the city, a little bit of hockey, thuggery, maybe, uh, maybe the, uh, during the 1976 set against the Russians, where the Canadian team loses the first match in Montreal against the Russians, maybe, uh, be afraid that the fans are going
Starting point is 03:25:12 to rush the ice and dismember the players, um, you know, like a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. So here and, uh, and the power of the border makes it so that at times when, uh, let's say, uh, MTL happens to be doing really well. And someone nearby from, I don't know, Toronto is there. Yeah. They too suddenly join in because by proxy of being six hours away, the area increases because now we're all the way in Vegas.
Starting point is 03:25:44 Yeah. So it's funny because usually Toronto and Montreal have a little bit of rivalry, a little bit of shit talk, but in US, fuck all that leaf, man, it's all about the leaf, right? So, so if you want to go back to good times, you can go watch, uh, uh, Chee Rithy versus Filipino champ, uh, in, in Street Fighter four and JS master behind him just going off. And it is, he's a one man hype army, like talking so much shit. Why is America so quiet every time, right? Every time Henry wide and like, it was crazy anyway.
Starting point is 03:26:22 So there's a, but there's a line, right? And, uh, and I think we talked about this when the story came up last with, uh, Cabba, who, uh, was, I believe a DR player that like, um, is like one of the guys that like gets really loud and will yell top volume in your ear from a few feet away and, uh, did it to CJ truth, who's like, uh, a pretty young player whose parents were there and the parents were like, what the actual fuck is happening? Yeah, let's say this is, this is a bit above board. It's all right below board.
Starting point is 03:26:59 This ain't no good. Yeah. So it is like, there is a line where you're like, okay, um, you can't literally like yell to the point where my eardrums vibrate next to my, my head. You can't have a situation where the other dudes crew are standing around you in a semi circle during the set. Actually yeah, you totally can. Oh, you can?
Starting point is 03:27:28 Yeah. And they're allowed to sing songs. Oh, what are they allowed to sing? I'm sorry. Somebody's getting fucked. Get fucked. Somebody's getting fucked. Get fucked.
Starting point is 03:27:36 Oh, man. You, you get fucked. That's allowed. That is allowed. You're right. What am I talking about? That's melodic and musical. That's okay.
Starting point is 03:27:51 Every time, every time this, it happens more often than Smash, but I mean, it is not unique Smash where people complain about the fucking venue is fucking me up here, guys. Like everybody in the crowd is fucking screaming their ass off or there's somebody hassling me, right? That Tekken video, I think it's in Atlanta. It shows up of like, what is it, like 20 guys singing that song? That's the whole thing. It's the whole thing.
Starting point is 03:28:13 It's a fucking, it's a production. Dude, it is material for pop off report news. It's, you know, it's beautiful. But it was Street Fighter, by the way, but yeah, and Noron Brown, exactly. That shit comes up all the time as well. You fucking really get like, like there's gonna, there's a whole plans fucking special for Noron Brown. Don't you guys worry about that?
Starting point is 03:28:41 But anyway, um, yeah, but there's level where it's just like, you can use your voice as a fucking like weapon at points. Yeah. And that's where you have to actually. So yeah, I mean, there's a point where in obviously nearly every rule and if it's not there, it's an oversight. It's like, you're not allowed to touch your opponent. Definitely.
Starting point is 03:29:02 Right. Definitely. But, um, woolly, I know for a fact, and I think you can too, and I think most people can, you can, you can raise your voice to the point where it is indistinguishable from a human touch. So something that has happened at most recent tournaments I've entered is early on in the bracket, someone who knows me or has a crew that, oh, that is aware will gather around and do that because they're like, yo, you're gonna fight the YouTube guy.
Starting point is 03:29:30 Yeah. The anti cheerleader squad's coming for that purpose. Yeah. Right. Like it's happened literally at every recent Sam show tournament I went to. It's fucking hilarious. Right. Would be someone being like, oh fuck yo, go beat that YouTuber.
Starting point is 03:29:42 Right. Yeah. He ain't shit. He's just got a YouTube channel. Whatever. So that, that is become, that's absolutely a part of it. Uh, the, uh, the idea that like, yeah, you're like just like emotional support is like something that's going to tilt you is like, that's, that's silly.
Starting point is 03:29:56 If there's more than that, if it actually was to the level that I'm talking about where it is like, no, you are like in the ear, disrupting the person, then that needs to be stopped. My favorite part is that this eventually escalated to the part of like, what's the solution here? Soundproof rooms for every set. Mm hmm. If that's what it takes. Here's what's crazy too. If that's what it takes.
Starting point is 03:30:20 Here's what's crazy too. Cause yeah, I know the comments went a little bit wild, but um, there are some players who not only don't wear headphones to like, some people wear headphones to listen to the game. Yeah. Audio cues are good. Some people use the headphones to like block out the crowd. Some people use headphones to play music, which is fucking crazy to me. They just zone in with their music cause it's the way they lab.
Starting point is 03:30:41 Yeah. So they feel comfortable, right? But some people, some players don't use headphones because fuck it. And others don't use headphones because they get powered up by the crowd. The spite. Okay. The shit. Infiltration is one of those players that will literally use no headphones and just use
Starting point is 03:31:04 the crowd as like, yeah, then after the match, I'll go take it out somewhere else. So that's like, you know, it's something where you actually can have people that respond by like getting a hype with that crowd or to fucking take revenge or and be beast on the on them and be like, what now, everybody? All right. I took your boy out. What now? You know, it's interesting, it's interesting, but there's a threshold.
Starting point is 03:31:42 I there if there's video of this incident, I would like to see the video replay of the shoulder massage. It's off stream, but there is a video of it. Okay. Some guy with their phone was I have not watched it, but there is video footage because I want to see video of the massage. I want to see video of the you can do it, baby. And I want to see video of the volume and the proximity of the crowd to the yeah, it's
Starting point is 03:32:10 always, it's always, oh man, these people, oh boy, I want to ask kids, they love it. They love it. All right. So that's your, that's your must story. Do you want to have a one line news story that's about fighting games still? How the fuck jump force get in the fucking game of the year contender for fighting games at game awards? What the fuck?
Starting point is 03:32:30 Because it's a joke. Somebody paid him. Jeff Keely, I want my Doritos back like that. If I'm not mistaken, that list of contenders has always been completely like not reflective of what's happening in the genre. Smash is going to win it. So whatever. It's been out of touch for years.
Starting point is 03:32:48 Why would it suddenly start being in touch? So you feel like it's a joke when like a fighting game is like the only fighting game up for game of the year. And then it's also in the best fighting game category and you're like, I wonder which one's going to win. Dude, like they fuck it. Like the story of Arslan Ash, right, representing Pakistan and fucking crushing it at Evo was not.
Starting point is 03:33:10 Oh yeah. Like who? What? Nothing. Just like, I'm not, dude, I'm not. I don't, I don't even care anymore. It'll be a trailer for a Smash character at that event though. Cool.
Starting point is 03:33:20 Yeah. So watch it. Catch the announcements. Yeah. That's basically the deal, you know, as far as I'm concerned. Imagine if the Oscars had announcements for video games. I'd watch the Oscars. Fuck.
Starting point is 03:33:32 Anyway, so yeah, let's just real quick. So we got that one, that one gift review of Stadia. God bless. Oh boy. And like to blast through some of the others, hey, Half-Life Alex, Valve's first flagship VR game announced. Yeah. Not much to say because that's all they said, but it's announced.
Starting point is 03:33:57 Flagship VR game. Don't know what that means yet. It'll have Alex in it. Yeah. Or you'll be Alex. Cool. All right. Closest thing to a Half-Life 3?
Starting point is 03:34:09 No. Closest thing? I said no. Is there anything else that exists? Mark Laidlaw's description of what the story would have been. But is there a product? No. If you vote one dollar and no one else votes, did you win on the prices right?
Starting point is 03:34:25 No. Yeah, you did. No, with Half-Life you don't. You don't know how. I am very bitter. You don't know how. I am very bitter. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
Starting point is 03:34:33 Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do you carry your Bob Barker? Bob Barker. Yeah, okay. Thank you. Are you new to your cats, baby? Yeah.
Starting point is 03:34:42 All day. What is this? Fucking amateur hour? Yeah. Jew's okay. Are we fucking around over here? But he's gotta be old. What is this?
Starting point is 03:34:50 Gotta get old. I don't know if you know anything about Greg Rice, but Greg Rice left Double Fine. I don't know who that is. He was the publishing boss guy that was in the Double Fine documentaries that were made back in the day when they were doing the stuff for what you call it, Broken Age. And I hope he lands on his feet and ends up Double Fine. Hey. How about that?
Starting point is 03:35:15 And the timing of it might have to do with the fact that there was a Microsoft acquisition that might be involved. And he's like, I'm out of here. He says he has some cool stuff lined up. All right. Good for him, I guess. We see. There was, oh yeah, this is just a bit of fun stuff.
Starting point is 03:35:39 But if you're, I don't know, anywhere in North America, you can check out this link. There's a Gundam 40th anniversary celebration. Charles Counterattack will be in theaters. Oh, cool. On the, what's the date, December 5th? On December 5th, which is yay, day after my birthday, Charles Counterattack in theaters. You go to the website and just put in the fucking zip code and see if it's popping in the theater near you.
Starting point is 03:36:09 But if you wanted to catch CCA in theaters, go do it, Gundam anniversary, go. Big cool news. Yeah. Fun. Love that. Remember Death Cargo? Yes. Remember what Death Cargo did?
Starting point is 03:36:22 It turned into Death Stranding. No, it struck our channel. Because they wanted to hide footage of their old game. That's right. Because NecroStorm was preparing for their new game, Gore Breaker. We now have footage of Gore Breaker. Don't show it. Too late.
Starting point is 03:36:41 I don't know if the stream's going to get pulled. Oh man. But the sequel to Death Cargo, Gore Breaker, but- Man, really fuck those guys. They straight up like contacted us and were like, oh, that's really cool that you're showing off Death Cargo. And then when the time came- And then struck us.
Starting point is 03:36:57 It's insane. It's kind of insane. A bunch of assholes. Well, because it's like, yeah. It was literally like things were cool and they were like happy with the show off, right? And then it goes from there to just being like, we have a new game coming. The old game is now, I guess, embarrassing. So let's strike all channels with video of it.
Starting point is 03:37:17 What are you fucking, Sega? To pretend the game doesn't exist and then so that we're new, we can clear the air for our new game. What about jerks? Let's let anyone to look up the old game and see what it used to look like, you know? So that was fucking, that was shitty, man. That wasn't cool at all, you know? Not understanding that like, when you do that, you literally heard a channel.
Starting point is 03:37:42 You salt the earth. And like, even if you wanted to be like, hey, we don't want people to see this, you couldn't just shoot a fucking message the same way you emailed and contacted people before. Nah, man, it's faster, man. It's faster. Just send a message saying, hey guys, we want to take this down. I would take that down in a heartbeat. But no, you strike the channel.
Starting point is 03:37:58 So that sucked, right? I was planning to keep it fucking lighter than that, but it was annoying anyway. But here's the footage of their game and it's it's gory and it looks like a hot mess and it looks like the perfect kind of like live action jank. But it's got really, really high quality like live action murder. Don't you recall it? Fatalities? No, no.
Starting point is 03:38:28 Just like the animation. Animation. Yeah. The quality of like the model thing is like, it's pretty detailed. You know? Look at this fucking thing. Yeah. It's gory.
Starting point is 03:38:38 And he's punching up shit. Oh, wow. And he's making these monsters bleed. And it basically like looks like that was like a school of rage or beats of rage almost kind of thing. And just, yeah, and there you go. Over gory jank. Come in your way.
Starting point is 03:38:57 The new genre. Gory jank. Enjoy it. If they don't shut you down before you do. You know, anyway, other small news, but fun Eureka seven coming to Damon X Makina. There is Eureka seven costumes and an actual Mecca inserted of the Nervash is going to be playable in Damon X Makina. So that's super cool and cue the fucking violin music on that OP because if you don't know
Starting point is 03:39:38 about Eureka seven, it's about a surfing robot and it's very cool. Okay. Yeah. Yay for that. I like it real quick getting through the rest of it. We have a trailer drop out of fucking nowhere for the thing that's being called megalo box to that was fast, holy shit. And much to my enjoyment, the first thing you see in the trailer says seven years later.
Starting point is 03:40:18 So I'm fucking ecstatic megalo box was fucking fantastic. It was so good. There's also a shot of dude with beard and fucking gruff ass gruff all over his face. So we just going in megalo box to junkyard dog. I love it. That music man gives me feelings. There's that one track. I think it was the interstitial track coming back from the break with the kids sitting on
Starting point is 03:40:51 the the rap. Yeah, the beast is it's my theme. It's what I play on my my theme of my stream intro. Oh, so good. The fucking beast, man. Yeah, and the the credits, the the the next episode music and credits music. It's really good stuff. All right.
Starting point is 03:41:12 Anyway, Grand Blue Fantasy Versus is coming out in quarter one 2020. Cool. Guilty Gear Strive is coming out in later 2020. So play excerpt now then switch to grand blaze blue and then play that until Guilty Gear come out. I may be even longer than that because side games might support this for I bet this game is going to get a lot of money love big money love from big money company. Yeah, love money, go money now.
Starting point is 03:41:47 Um, Capcom announces the mark of your dignity. Gills back, Charles Scar, my DNA, Gil back. You know, I don't think it's what they intended, but I see Gil and I'm like Street Fighter Five is now over. Well, because think about no, no, no, think about think about the end of the story mode. Right. Yeah, I so I think there must have been a plan possibly for a second story mode. Yes.
Starting point is 03:42:15 But then they're like that didn't do anything. It was expensive and the story was bad. So let's just cut to the chase and reveal the character. There you go. Because he would have come out with that story mode, but there is no story mode hair whack that these red and blue whack is thong whack Liam O'Brien whack tight as fuck. Oh, no, I love Liam O'Brien. You're in his way better than Gil in terms of everything.
Starting point is 03:42:43 I love you're in. I do not like Gil. Oh, I didn't know that. I knew you like you're in. You did know that. I didn't know you hated Gil. Yeah, I love Gil. Gills blame.
Starting point is 03:42:54 I think Gil Gil. I love Gil. I think Gil's cool. I like the fact that Gil is a non-charge version of urine and that makes him fucking stupid busted. Yes, crazy, stupid shit. And the fact that he could never be balanced into anything fair tragic because it's like you spent time making a character that you can't actually use.
Starting point is 03:43:15 Well, here's round two. Let's see if they make him playable. I think that's the goal this time. I think what's really funny is that Gil's entire gimmick and third strike was that if he changed sides, he would change like the red and blue would change sides also and his moves would change. And now when you look at his footage in five, he had he like mirrors himself, which is the total opposite of why that character was created.
Starting point is 03:43:38 Yeah, yeah. But they do clearly have like, I mean, to make the character something that you can like use with intention with left and right with the fire and ice, it's just becoming a part of the play style. Oh, I just think it's silly. Yeah. I mean, for the boss anyway. And like now then now they made like a mechanic out of it.
Starting point is 03:43:57 But you see fucking Seraphic Wing. Yeah, very pretty. Yeah. Liam O'Brien is not the Gil voice that we used to have. But Liam O'Brien is great. But he is great. And his costume where he looks like a gladiator is nice. All in all, his costume that he has the toga on looks way better.
Starting point is 03:44:15 Now all in all, I say one, what about that model that is a Urian alt costume where he's dressed up like Gil? Now what? I don't know that one. Urian has a costume he can wear that turns him into Gil. Really? Yes. That's weird.
Starting point is 03:44:31 I don't like that. So do they remove that from the game? Yeah, please. You know, it's so fucking strange that that's there. And then two, of course, is like, that's nice. I don't know if it's enough, but it's nice. I like the stage. Stage is very pretty.
Starting point is 03:44:49 You know what else is coming? Better luck with six guys. Well, you know what else is coming? A hundred and thirty three hundred and thirty Chunli costumes. V skill to yeah, everyone gets a second V skill. That's a big that's a big job. That's a big deal. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 03:45:04 So now you have two V triggers and two V skills. And I was in the room at Arksis with Reggie when he scrolled excitedly to the list and saw a Japanese translation of someone talking about how Ryu's new V skill is a dodge and counter. And he almost spiked the phone on the ground with salt because poor Reggie, the real main just can't catch a break. And he was so mad, dude, because Ryu is I don't know if you know about the state of this.
Starting point is 03:45:40 Do you know about this at all? You's not great. He's beyond ass. He's beyond ass. And he has not been in a top eight in, I think, three years. So I would norm this is going to be maybe it's a little hypocritical even. I don't think you should balance characters based on their popularity. But Ryu shouldn't be allowed to be bad.
Starting point is 03:46:06 Wait, are you saying that character usage charts are a bad indicator of how to balance things? I do think that. Do you think that like the character and its moves are a better indicator of how to balance things? I do think that. That's wild. But somebody censor this, man.
Starting point is 03:46:27 But Ryu is the face. He's like maybe it's not accurate, but Ryu is fighting games in my mind. So when when Reggie, who is a poster boy user, got a character like SoulBadGuy, who is a shoto with a command grab and a ballrog punch. Yeah. He was got it all. He was very happy. And souls always had it all.
Starting point is 03:46:56 His moves has always been great. And they always give him more. Bandit revolver is not enough. Give him a bandit bringer. Give him a dive. Give him the wall kick. Give him, you know, the whatever version of a volcanic viper and grand viper you want.
Starting point is 03:47:12 Excuse me, grand viper. Oh, God, I don't remember it. The new grand viper move name is like three or four more. Oh, yeah. Grand volcanic viper ball. It's something crazy. Anyway. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:47:28 So just on a content level, though, I'm like, what the fuck are they going to give the Cali? What's he going to get besides the the the Stomps? Curious to know. But Gil's here. So, yes, that does pretty much mark the end, I would assume. I would really, really like for SF5 to be super good because I feel comfortable playing SF5.
Starting point is 03:47:50 But I feel like they I feel like it's been out for long enough and we've been talking like they really just dropped the ball on a lot of the implementation on that stuff. I just realized that a really important point when we talked back about guilty gear was left hanging because we moved on to stuff. Sure. But did I did I not bring up like crush counters?
Starting point is 03:48:08 You did. And I didn't get to elaborate on why it's better in guilty gear. You didn't. OK, so people hate crush counters and guilty gear is going to be counter focused, right, as well. But the problem with crush counters is I mean, people have different ones, but one of the major ones, according to like the way I feel about it
Starting point is 03:48:28 and from talking to other people is that some people get crush counters on attacks that they can do frequently as their best tools in the game and others don't and others don't. So it's a really important thing that you have to do in matches that some people get way more often than others, including sometimes people can't get anything off of it at all. So it's a it's a system mechanic that is not applicable system wide.
Starting point is 03:48:55 So as for example, I played enough Zangief to know that he's got some good long hidden pokes that crush counter and pop you up in the air and I can do a little SPD in the air and get some damage off of it. Bison can get a big knee on you. Really good. Yeah, this is good stuff. Good luck for you. Good luck for you.
Starting point is 03:49:14 The character who literally was shown doing a crush counter first in the entire game, you know, or Nikali gets like a low fierce that like pops you up and like you can't really get a follow up on it. Like you get you get you get one DP or a stomp. It's it's it's the fucking like primary new mechanic in the game. Yeah. And not everybody can do it. It's probably than others. Exactly.
Starting point is 03:49:40 Whereas dust is dust and everyone everybody got dust. Everyone has a dust. Dust is pretty much the same for everybody, right? And it hits. They're all faster now and they all blow you up in that same way. So, you know, yeah. You'll take your better than Street Fighter five right there. Bam. Take that.
Starting point is 03:49:57 Me. I forgot the line that Gil says, but I'm also excited for that because I'm also a fan of like Gil's voice. Shit is amazing. I'm a fan of the lecturer. Yeah. Right. Welcome to my my fucking professors class. There's a line he says at the end of the trailer.
Starting point is 03:50:18 It's like my perfection does not require training. And I'm like, that pisses me off. Like as a as a Street Fighter, like Lornerd or whatever. I couldn't hear what the last word was. Was it training? Yeah, my perfection does not require training. OK. And I'm like, that's in that's fucking infuriating. And that line alone makes him the villain of Street Fighter because Bison and fucking Gil have the same thing going on
Starting point is 03:50:44 in that they're bullshit because they cheat. Interesting. I'm hoping that his intro is the line they use, though. It's all the way at the end. It's at the end of the trailer. It's his win quote. Yeah. Um, like, what was it again? Then the people of the world will rejoice in seeing me or some shit.
Starting point is 03:51:11 Yeah, I love that stuff, dude. I am all about it. That's always a ton of fun, you know, up your own ass villain. You want to beat him even harder? Yeah, way more interesting than Seth, who uses technology to cheat. Yeah, it's over. Like, that's not, you know, so of Street Fighter villains, we have a fucking the best Street Fighter villain ever,
Starting point is 03:51:39 which is a got. And then you have Bison, who uses magic soul, bitch, shit to cheat. And then you have Seth, sorry. Then you have Gil, who uses Egyptian bullshit magic to cheat. Then you have Naughty, who uses fucking Seth, who uses what do you call it? Technology bullshit to cheat. And then you have fucking Nikali, who uses he's not a villain. Yeah, he's a villain. He's a villain, but he's not the villain.
Starting point is 03:52:02 Yeah, but he uses soul absorption. Yeah, cheat. Yeah. But like, then you have Sadler, who uses data to cheat. But like, Gil is the only one of those fucking villains that in addition to having that stuff to cheat is a fucking leader of the Illuminati. Yeah, it's literally the Illuminati. That's a big deal. Gil killed Epstein. He did.
Starting point is 03:52:28 He did a Seraphic wing in the jail cell and the guards were asleep and the cameras turned off and nobody knows what happened. But they heard of it. All they heard out of that cell was the mark of my day. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me be the blesser of all souls. And then they're like, what happened?
Starting point is 03:52:55 They're like, oh, he killed himself. Oh, man, totally. Yeah. Big, big suicides. Yeah. Just the fucking rainbow effect coming from out of the jail cells. Come on. Come on. Resurrection. Come on, Mara. Don't do it. Come on. Uh, what other news we got?
Starting point is 03:53:19 Slow news week, right? Quite. Yeah. Um, to the chase, then. Uh, I suppose. Oh, whoops. That's not the button I wanted. Neither was that one. Um, oh, yeah.
Starting point is 03:53:39 Well, okay, we can just, we can just talk about this then. This is a little fun thing. Oh, yeah, let's talk about the fun thing. Time Stamps guy, uh, has, uh, decided to put together a Kickstarter for a Kickstarter, because Time Stamps guy who does the podcast, Time Stamps, yes, wants to get the Baz into pedal crash, which is, uh, this puzzle game that's being kickstarted.
Starting point is 03:54:01 And so that's what I was so confused. Yeah. When I saw this pedal crash is a Kickstarter and they've got a, uh, a tier for getting a character in the game. So he's putting together a Kickstarter and, uh, he's basically trying to continue and see if we can crowd source. This is the actual most hilarious way that the Baz legacy can go is that the person with no game has a fan base,
Starting point is 03:54:25 despite having nothing that puts him into more things, despite having nothing. And this, this is the idea that like was started a little while ago, that when I heard it, it fucking made me giddy. Is the idea of the crowdsourced, the open source jobber. Baz is all of yours. The open source jobber that can just show up when I saw him
Starting point is 03:54:55 making it into games that I never heard of. Oh yeah, you knew it was getting there. This is, this is like, okay, we've, we've take, it's the next level of it. Right. It's like, I remember when I'm playing Hollow Knight and people like, go check out Zubuck. I'm like, who?
Starting point is 03:55:10 I don't. What? I don't remember the guys talking about or that racing game where he's like talking mad shit. Yes. Right. So wonderful. All about that life.
Starting point is 03:55:20 So if you guys want to help timestamp guy, then yeah, head on over to this. It's the pedal crash, the Baz DLC Kickstarter, which is for a Kickstarter, and he will then get into the puzzle game pedal crash. Soon comes the Kickstarter to get timestamp guy to make the Kickstarter. Yes.
Starting point is 03:55:38 Buy him a sandwich. Love it. And like, of course, Baz would need such a pathetic means. Oh yeah. This is shameful. Yeah, making it work out like it's so on brand for there to be the crowdfund of the crowdfunds because he can't fucking make it.
Starting point is 03:55:54 Can't do it. He's got no clout. Love it. Love it. Love it. That only gets in on the charity of others. Yep. 100,000 percent, but people still, they want to see him.
Starting point is 03:56:05 He's the Barry Harowitz of the video game industry. Big time WWE jobber. Okay, right over, right over my fucking hand. Yep. Showed up fucking got bodied 100% of the time. Damn. That sucks. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:56:27 Yeah, that's it. Let's take some letters. That's it. No other news this week. Everything's fine. What are we on here? Twitch? We're on Twitch right now.
Starting point is 03:56:38 Everything's fine. And or podcast listener thing of choice, everything's fine. Everything's fine. I have a archive channel on YouTube that I could kill in a moment that I don't give a shit about. Can't say the same for me. Well, it's the coppers. Oh, no, it's ironic that it's copper, isn't it?
Starting point is 03:57:00 They're at your door. They're at your door. Well, actually, they're at the door of the border. Um, feelers are being sent out to people that would know better than you or I mean, will he both sent out independent feelers to find out what's the deal with this Children's Online Privacy Protection Act and its incoming enforcement by the federal trach mission United States.
Starting point is 03:57:22 A long time ago, there was probably an early episode of the podcast and maybe two or three more where we talked about how every time someone gets mad at the ESRB or Peggy or Sarah, how they need to stop and hold up and understand the situation, right? And understand the reason that the ESRB exists. Uh, and the importance of understanding that is because video games are not something that the government understands.
Starting point is 03:57:56 And thus, when complaints are like brought against it, the government is like, what the fuck is going on over here? Yeah. Right. And, uh, the ESRB is the only thing holding the government back from stepping in, not understanding what it's looking at and just start shooting motherfuckers. Right.
Starting point is 03:58:15 So now the ESRB is a self policing in like part of the industry required because between the FTC and a bunch of people that are not exactly in games, but kind of adjacent. They can at least talk to some people that might have an idea about what a video game should be rated as and then the FTC can go as long as you handle it, then fine. Now let's sidestep this from video games in general to content in general and talk about data collection.
Starting point is 03:58:45 Ideally, most industries would have the good sense to regulate themselves so that government bodies don't come and fuck them. Well, Google and YouTube did not have that common sense. There is a, the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act to my knowledge was created in 1998. It is old. It is fucking old and it gets updated every ten-ish years, a little earlier, a little later.
Starting point is 03:59:13 Got bumped up this time around because of complaints. Apparently this has nothing to do with Elsa Gate. Shit off. Nothing to do with Creeper Comet Gate. So what it has to do is the COPPA is about, hey, tech companies, you don't have the right to take down all sorts of weird creep ass personalized information about 12 year olds. Don't record their viewing habits.
Starting point is 03:59:35 Don't record what they click on. Don't do it. They don't have the ability to consent to a EULA or any legal documentation. Therefore, it would be de facto illegal for you to collect that information, assuming they had made it. YouTube got around COPPA way back by saying you got to be 13 years old to make a YouTube account.
Starting point is 03:59:54 Period. Yep. Done. Trivial, everything solved, everything fine. Then YouTube started its algorithms, its data acquisitions, its ad integrations from Google. And very quickly because of the way the data collection works, you can tell what accounts are actually being used by fucking
Starting point is 04:00:16 children, the ones that are watching Peppa Pig all day and shit. And YouTube said, you know what we should do? We should put out fucking for real ads to companies saying, hey, we have the personal viewing habits of millions of children. Do you want to advertise to them? And at some point, someone told the FTC about this to which the Federal Trade Commission of the United States went, what the actual fuck and brought the hammer down on YouTube and
Starting point is 04:00:47 now they had to pay a couple hundred million dollar fine. But more importantly, they said, well, we can't trust you with your bullshit anymore. So now we're going to be taking a real good fucking long look at you, including everybody who uploads shit to your platform. So was this YouTube's fault? One hundred, one hundred and fifty built two hundred and nine two thousand and nineteen percent.
Starting point is 04:01:12 YouTube's fault to blame the FTC for the ongoing troubles is naive and honestly unfair because they are responding to a gross negligent. No, it's not negligent. A gross misuse of existing law. It's a flagrant legal violation and it's about the kids. So yeah, the government's going to step in and go with the fuck. However, the thought process is at this point, does it even matter? Nope, doesn't.
Starting point is 04:01:41 So it's happening. So what's happening? Well, you got to let everybody know whether or not your channel and or videos are for kids or not for kids and kids is a legal term. I didn't know that kids is legal term in the US. It means 12 years and 364 days or younger, but they never specified like I expected at some point legal documentation would say something like children, but it uses the word kids because in
Starting point is 04:02:07 the US it's a legal term. Yeah, very well. So the basic deal is this on YouTube, you can currently either set any video or your entire entire channel as not for kids or for kids. Now, because of the way that all of this has been talked about, you would think, oh, I'm going to protect myself and set everything as not for kids and that way the FTC will see. Hey, this video about Pokemon is not for kids.
Starting point is 04:02:36 Therefore, I'm not liable for the shit actually because of the fucked up language involved. That's actually backwards by marking it as not for kids. You're giving YouTube the permission to collect data on anybody who watches that video. And if it's a Pokemon video that appears to have been marketed towards children anyway, you are essentially saying I marked it for kids so that I get the money, but I know it's for kids,
Starting point is 04:03:03 which makes you in violation of COPPA, which means that you are liable to get super fucked by the US government with a $42,000 fine up to $42,000 fine per infraction per video. And it doesn't matter if you live in the US or not because it's applying international. Well, that's where it gets complicated because the FTC probably doesn't have the legal authority to love the fines against foreigners. The Canadian equivalent of the FTC also does not have the legal
Starting point is 04:03:37 authority to level fines at all. So that's really iffy. That's weird. Every time any of this talks about it, whether I talk about it, whether I see Aaron talk about it, whether you see Chad Tronex talk about it, Jim Sterling talk about it, or will they talk about it, everyone's going to end their little speech and say, I read the stupid shit, but if you're freaked out about this, you should
Starting point is 04:04:03 really talk to a lawyer. Boy, I'd prefer it if they would just delete the video. Yeah. If they said, Hey, you're in violation of COPPA video killed, but nope, doesn't work like that. So in the current status, everybody is floundering and when people are talking to lawyers, they're unfortunately getting different advice because it's untested law.
Starting point is 04:04:27 No one's been sued yet because the problem is when you get into the areas that we get into, which is adult man babies, adult man babies and adult man baby content. Yes, looks identical to an FTC worker. For example, if you are still technically the co-owner of a YouTube channel that uses bright, colorful graphics, childlike cartoons, Kirby music, and has a childlike title such as best friends play, you may wonder if an FTC individual
Starting point is 04:05:00 would look at that and go, Hmm, that looks like it's targeting children or advertisers. Minecraft, Super Mario Odyssey, Lego, toy reviews, serial universe, arts and crafts, anything, all sorts of stupid shit. So, yep, there's going to be a regard. Let's say nothing happens at all and they only go after the real motherfuckers who are obviously skirting the law abusively. You're still going to see a lot of people paranoid jerk their fucking
Starting point is 04:05:33 channels to death because nobody wants to get fucked. But what happens when you when you set your channel to two children to four kids? Well, what happens is you comments are all deleted and disabled. Goodbye comments, not the end of the world. Honestly, all embeds, all community pages go away. All ability to search and show up in recommendations is gone are removed and you make about 90% less CPM.
Starting point is 04:06:00 Yeah, which means the video might as well not exist from monetary or even like usability standpoint. It might as well not exist because no one's on it. No one's talking. No one's allowed to can't track anything. Can't make any money. Now, if you're not running ads, search the recommended. If you're not running ads on your content and you're just
Starting point is 04:06:17 running a patreon, you know what? That's not the end of the world. Yeah, except YouTube just put in a new rule a few weeks ago saying that they would delete your channel if they determine that it is not financially viable to keep it going. So if they're not running ads on your stuff because you happen to run it on monetized because it's for kids, then it's a wonderful, exciting new world of YouTube.
Starting point is 04:06:41 Yeah. So if you're a cartoon creator, if you're a two snacks, a kind of a cranky construct, if you're playing videos, if you happen to be a person who makes videos for adults that have a Pokemon in them, things that like because the FTC is not necessarily going to understand that everything that's a cartoon is not for kids. Yeah, the guidelines are terrifying because they say
Starting point is 04:07:10 cartoons are obviously for children and like that's not true. The language they use like hey guys and stuff and duh and cool from 1998. Yeah. Metalocalypse is not for children. That's a cartoon. Mortal Combat is a video game.
Starting point is 04:07:27 That's true and it's explicitly not for children. Worse yet is if you like if you have content that's like happy tree friends. Yeah, I've lost it. Where you like the whole joke is that you're pretending to be a kid's show. Yeah, you're just not allowed to make that anymore. Take that.
Starting point is 04:07:47 Take that. Wonder Shousen. That's gone. Like anything that's like I like that don't hug me. I'm scared. Yeah. Anything that's ironically like cute and scary is gone. Slash fucked.
Starting point is 04:07:57 So this goes into effect January 1st. Lot of big unknowns. Currently waiting to hear back from smarter people than me. What's up with that light? That's fine. Okay. I'm just playing with it. So it's either going to be scary but fine or it will be the
Starting point is 04:08:24 complete destruction of YouTube as a video platform. A lot of people were saying this is not just any other update and then YouTube came out and said this is not just any other update and the FTC gave that thing where the guy was almost determined to make it like terrifying almost as scary as possible. There's an F. There's a quote from an FTC official and says it's like shooting
Starting point is 04:08:45 fish in a barrel. YouTube is the barrel and the content creators are the fish and it's like what why are you talking about us like like we're prey man. Yeah. Now there is we have many ways of searching those 23 million channels. You know and when we're talking about penalties or aggressiveness
Starting point is 04:09:07 we're typically talking about civil penalties which means money. There is a point that Jim brought up which I do feel is reasonable but I'm not going to stand by it because I don't want to stand by any of this because I could be wrong which is the FTC doesn't have that literally does not have the resources to go after a hundred million videos. There's not enough like timing the universe for those to go through the courts.
Starting point is 04:09:32 It's very likely they're going to pick someone and fuck them really bad. If I had to fucking throw down the wildest guess I would say that the Grumps and Markiplier because of the way their content looks and their popularity are probably the most at risk for being the example. Well you see so the question is right but here's the thing like you're thinking in a video game context but like this is
Starting point is 04:10:03 broader because there's way broader. Yeah there's people that do their toy reviews and their serial reviews and their unboxings and their you know whatever's in fucking who's you know like there's the guy who was watching this video the other day is a 1.6 million sub guy does Lego reviews. That's it just just like a review. Yeah so so that's so that's the thing is just like there's a
Starting point is 04:10:24 part of this where it's like the entire nature of video games is like very very likely to be misunderstood by the FTC and there's a bunch of other categories of YouTube where that will happen. But what we did here is that there's a feedback page where everyone can go and leave a message of feedback before this goes live on January 1st which feels like pissing in the wind but do it anyway hopefully it's not and then at the very least
Starting point is 04:10:54 they can understand that it's like what you're trying to protect makes a ton of sense but there is a slightly complicated issue in the manner which is there are a lot of adult man babies many many who happen to like cartoons video games cereal ice cream and toys yes and want content featuring all of these things now I will say a lot of people this is not just about YouTube it's about everybody everybody but I mean look at which right with which all you got to say is this mature audiences free
Starting point is 04:11:33 you're free and fucking clear right because the the fucking shit doesn't track bullshit unless you hit I'm over 18 click right and at which isn't even ad based anyway it's sub based right so fine right but yeah it's everybody there's all sorts of video services are going to get bopped like this just YouTube's getting bopped by far the hardest because they steal the kids information see it's almost as if like it would have been simpler if the split to the YouTube kids platform
Starting point is 04:12:04 yeah would have actually just taken the kids videos and made a hard line distinction between the two yeah well what do you expect YouTube to do something if you've got a letter you can send it into castle super beast male at gmail.com don't ask us about copper we're not the smartest people to talk to go find somebody smarter waiting for someone smarter to tell me what to do or not so I'm doing like the current piece
Starting point is 04:12:34 of advice I've received is don't do shit yet the only one that's currently actively running like between us that's actively running a YouTube channel that's that matters yeah you know but I don't know my YouTube channel that was faux concern it's for them not for you so you can be streaming the LPs now on Twitch huh well that's crazy
Starting point is 04:13:13 got a question coming in and this question comes in from will says here they're Woolsworth and Paddington now that Death Stranding is out in the world and with the news from a few weeks back that's very plus pseudo we're looking to collaborate so I'm doing if I could get your thoughts on the tendency slash risk risk expectation of people at the tops of their fields to well go nuts the same can happen in music with performers falling down a jazz hole or becoming
Starting point is 04:13:49 too proficient to listen to or art movements producing some of the biggest weirdos in media overall pursuing a new or naive style after years of otherwise mainstream proficiency on the other hand some artists and creators sit firmly atop the middle ground with broad approval and good commercials prospects but risk stagnation as the world moves on how much do the fields of mad men need to push boundaries is the risk of these creators worth the jeopardy of leaping into the
Starting point is 04:14:19 unknown would you rather maintain the middle or face uncertainty at the edge there's an obvious middle ground and that middle ground is keep doing the thing you're good at and people like and then do the weird thing for fun and if the weird thing for fun takes off like crazy good for you you'll be artistically fulfilled and if you if the weird thing is what people love you for then like that's what you can get and should probably keep doing there's a reason when you go
Starting point is 04:14:43 to a Madonna concert and somebody yells out play is saying like a virgin and Madonna's like uh people get fucking pissed because it's like hey she doesn't go oh she goes how does that go again oh yeah you're right she doesn't remember the own song but at the same time if David Lidge does something and people don't like it what do people say a David Lynch David Lynch you're gonna do actually hold him accountable to the shit he makes he's crazy out of your mind I don't even
Starting point is 04:15:10 want to talk to him he's fucking nuts there you go he gets off the reason why Death Stranding is so crazy is because Kojima had to reign it in so long on Metal Gear if swerry and suit are getting together to work on something I want it to be fucking crazy yeah um too crazy to actually play maybe I say mcdonough oh what'd you say did I say mcdonough you oh mmm
Starting point is 04:15:45 damn it hey willow and pat rat have you ever had a character in media that you thought you would like then scream that it was a character for you and it screamed like it was a character for you in terms of design etc but when you actually watched her play that you ended up not liking or caring for them for me it was all over Armstrong from full metal alchemist everything seemed right and up my alley cool strong badass
Starting point is 04:16:10 military commander whose troops respected her um satsuki being my favorite anime character but I want to actually watch a show I kind of just went lukewarm on her thanks from Pat squared nah man I'm I'm I'm crap I like all the characters I'm supposed to like I was sad to find out that I could not play crimson viper yeah but then most people can then again neither could the rest of the world I like Olivia Armstrong she looks at you like you're disgusting
Starting point is 04:16:48 um and let's take one over here from uh what do you want to be called sky hello castle boomer beast probably sorry I will not make it to the news this week popular media game as your lane wait wait this probably will not make it to the podcast news this week popular mobile game as your lane where where you collect ships waifus has this bug that lets you zoom in on the ship
Starting point is 04:17:21 sprites uh and the live 2D sprites in certain moments the devs acknowledge this as a bug and after the players yelling about not fixing it decided to keep it as an additional feature menu in the game what are your favorite glitch turned into a feature moment if you play warframe uh that game is nothing but that happening over and over and over again the bullet jumping was a bug with the melee animation they recently had they had some bugs with the way colors showed up on characters
Starting point is 04:17:55 and then they just put it in they recently had a thing where you were there's a thing called ephemera which is like a particle effect you can equip to your character and there was a bug with the menu that you could accidentally equip it to your dog as well and they were like oh wait that's cool fuck it you can do that now so my favorite used to be combos and street fighter too yeah that's up there but then that story was disproven as as not real no combos were intended no someone
Starting point is 04:18:21 went in did the research and fall looked up to the rumor and there's a story on event hubs about how the often cited rumor about combos being an unintended side effect of uh the game system was totally not the case I hate this and that the devs and Akira Nishitani at the time did you know they were in and intended it no combos are not a bug combos are real do them thus my new favorites probably would be I mean okay obviously there's like distorted real impact well but I was going to
Starting point is 04:18:58 say like the origins of Dante to begin with yeah right fucking make an Onimusha they're like yo this sword juggles these enemies like fucking crazy stuff with that they're like I don't know but that's not what this game is so then they want to make you mean resident no no they then went from the juggling that was in that like it went from the they first saw it in Onimusha and then they went like let's put this system in the one of the demos for in the the much Macaulay Ari for Ari
Starting point is 04:19:29 for Tony yeah whatever Tony Redgrave version of Ari for which will never see unfortunately but the juggling idea first happened in Onimusha and then I know that and then they brought it to that that build exactly so and then that then that became DMC one so that became an entire thing it's it's less of a feature and more of an entire franchise one that I remember hearing about a while ago was that apparently when they were making like like strong not strong self-sufficient female
Starting point is 04:20:06 protagonist Lara Croft yes they accidentally hit the slider and her chest size went from 50% to 150% by mistake and then the dev team saw it and went yeah now that's good though yeah that's good and then kept it in there but it was not and then born it was not intended for it to be the way it came somebody in chat just said it so I won't take and the third one I had on my list was skiing in tribes there it is it's it's it defines that series forever skiing in tribes kicks
Starting point is 04:20:49 ass if you like Titanfall speed go check that shit out yep basically you just jump a bunch as you're accelerating and then you just slide at stupid breakneck speeds and kind of makes it look like again the way Titanfall would look when you would do what the fuck is a bunny hopping it's it's always fascinating to me and it's not limited to games but it's like you're making something and then you horribly fuck it up and then you're like this is so much better than the idea I
Starting point is 04:21:26 had in my head the version of tribes that existed before skiing is a fucking joke yeah compared to tribes after skiing right it wouldn't have mattered at all yeah rocket jumping was definitely those and the spy in TF2 was all the unintended as well it was totally a bug off of like whatever the first like mod because Team Fortress is a mod of whatever yeah TFC yeah so well not TFC just TF but like the names appearing wrong and shit like that was like wait
Starting point is 04:21:56 what and they're like wait what if there's a character designed around this is a cool idea so that's yeah those are probably the best ones those are probably the best ones all right so yeah that's it I was a that was a long one as a good one I like it's 530 holy shit yeah hungry I'm gonna go get a steak fucking
Starting point is 04:22:19 starving but you know whatever check out stuff if you like it yeah I do truth streams over twitch.tv slash angry's pat I'll be doing tomorrow and Friday by tomorrow I mean Thursday and Friday those will be Death Stranding days starting at 8 p.m. Eastern you know fuck around with Death Stranding probably build some roads and piss on some ghosts I got a fucked up week because I have to hit a wedding this weekend are you serious have to go to a friend yep Jesus man it's
Starting point is 04:22:47 crazy I'm I get no I get no fucking rest just go sleep right now so in the meantime well I have to make the podcast and then after the podcast I have to get the Digo interview up that's getting a view up so I got a Digo interview to nope nope nope didn't get didn't do that so I don't get to sleep however the channel will continue with Death Stranding with that that indivisible and of course with Naruto which is popping off right now Naruto is popping up so I got a look
Starting point is 04:23:17 at that intro yesterday and that's a pretty good intro thank you appreciate it I tried very hard worked very hard to not work at all and yeah some people are kind of warning me that they're like yo Death Stranding is gonna take forever it's really long okay so is like there might be points that like some sort of time compression might be required I'm not sure we'll see how that you should start playing that game off stream and just do non-story shit well that's the
Starting point is 04:23:48 thought right or played on stream and then the episodes can be what we'll see I'm not the way I've been doing it as I've been playing it for five hours of three four nights a week on stream yep and then I've been be lining story content unless everyone screaming at me to build a road yeah and then I fuck around and just do side deliveries for funsies off stream because yeah it's fucking long it's 40 hours if you hardcore be lining it will be the longest thing on Woolly
Starting point is 04:24:18 versus for quite some time okay yeah for the sake of that not happening and having people just get fucking turned off by just the like the commitment length is you know it might be possible to perhaps address that but if we stream then you know you got a little bit of free you do all sorts stupid shit a little bit of freedom you know so let's let's see how it go all right all right you'll get a feeling on it the game is actually very upfront with its pacing and its
Starting point is 04:24:46 structure it's a good game yeah but if it's also it's if it's long and exciting then that's fine too I would call destraining a lot of things but I don't think I would ever call it exciting hey all right all right podcast over now thanks copper you you you

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