Castle Super Beast - CSB 045: Nuns Full Burst

Episode Date: November 26, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:00 🎵 🎵 So how does this week go? Eh, it went alright. Played a lot of desk stranding. Oh, so I was referring to the podcast. Oh, what do you mean how does this week go then? I don't understand the question. How's this podcast going to go?
Starting point is 00:00:52 Oh, uh, usually we blah blah blah about what we've been doing with our weeks and then usually we blah blah blah about the news to some degree and usually we read a couple emails, one or two of which are like really good and one always has a really good question that we don't have any answers for because it requires a lot of forethought. Yep. And we're like, that's an amazing question, I have nothing for you and you're like, oh, that's probably really unsatisfying to listen to.
Starting point is 00:01:26 Hmm, could be. Why? How do you think the podcast is going to go this really? Pretty much exactly that. Okay, I thought there was a like a gimmick waiting for me. No, no, um, not much to it. Did you watch Ride With Norman Reedus this week? Did you? No, but I'm going to.
Starting point is 00:01:50 He says as he cracks it open. Cracks open what, Willie? That's a monster. That's a chemical purple monster. That's that's my name for it. It's not a guru and it's not a Red Bull. The purple ones are pretty great. Did you try the rehab?
Starting point is 00:02:05 I haven't found it. Okay. Check your depth. Yeah. And a depth near you. So what's up with you, man? Well, this week I didn't do that much in terms of like I felt this actions to bring to the podcast because there's a lot of life
Starting point is 00:02:26 things happening in particular. It's like, you know, just it was it was back to back business followed by like moving into business. So I played some more Naruto and I got to some meaty hefty plot dumps. I saw like what might have been the weirdest Twitter update from you on that ever, which was hold on a second guys. We're finishing watching the anime, which is like this is
Starting point is 00:02:55 I have homework. This is a weird process. Every time I play nuns three. I got. Oh, that's terrible. That's what it is though. Holy shit. I'm playing the nuns games.
Starting point is 00:03:08 So nuns three full burst. Full burst. Full burst nuns. All right. All right, that's out of the way. All right, we're done. Great. So we can half ask the rest of the pocket.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Wonderful. That's all we're here to do, actually. So ever since, yeah, the second game, we've pretty much been like trying to see it's like, OK, what can I watch and enjoy the not narrative, the games narrative version of and then what can I what is there that has to be seen in the anime form? Right. Because, you know, anyone who's like super in there, that's a
Starting point is 00:03:52 like a massive fan is going to tell you like, nah, you got to go back and read it and and or watch it. And I'm like, I'm content to miss all the shit that's not immediately relevant to the questions that I have. So I have a big question for you. When you said back in like, I was like eight, nine years ago now, and then you said it every year since. Is that how that way?
Starting point is 00:04:20 That's how it works in my mind. Yeah. Is that a long back in nine years ago and then every year since I have a long history of like giving you or you giving me because if you're about to ask me a question based on the name the franchise. No, no, give me a minute. Yeah, I'm building.
Starting point is 00:04:36 I'm building a fucking thing here. Oh, you're building. You're building a bit. Yeah. Building a bit. All right. Construct a bit. So every couple, every, every two, three weeks, you'd be like,
Starting point is 00:04:44 oh, Naruto, man, but I'm back in and that was like that the whole time I've known you. Yep. I thought, no, but for real, though, when you said back in like the Naruto series, I thought that meant that you had like caught up to and finished reading the manga. Yeah, that's silly. It was done when you said that it had ended.
Starting point is 00:05:04 No, or it ended shortly thereafter. No, it was just the name of an LP in which I was going from a life of zero Naruto consumption. Right. To any Naruto. To any percent Naruto consumption, which is the games. So you were learning the Naruto's from the nuns. I'm learning from nuns and I'm going into the anime wherever
Starting point is 00:05:35 nuns aren't enough. So anytime I end up with questions, for example, there'll be a fight. Right. And then the, so like, for example, Kisame fights Killer B. Sure. Okay. So there's a fight that goes down in the game and then you
Starting point is 00:05:56 control one of those two characters. Right. And then you just beat up on the other one using the game system. Now, despite the fact that at the time it was like, yo, look at this gorgeous, like, like 3D maneuvering like anime fighter, it's still a super basic combat system. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:14 You mash like either tilt up, tilt down or neutral tilt combos. Yeah, it's a game for babies. And they added a couple of things like that chakra dash canceling, but it's really not that complex and anything that people go, oh, do the fancy thing. The fancy thing is like a slightly less like similar combo to the one you already did.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Nice. And if you get a chance to, you can stand still power up like a Dragon Ball game and then hopefully like don't get hit with Kunai and then do the powered up attack and hit the thing. And then the big cinematic goes off. Right. Then you get the cyber connect money.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Hopefully. But cyber sometimes the cyber connect money is not there. Right. So what they did is they have it like so certain major legacy fights are very expensive and treated to be like go to go through phases in the same way that the anime did for you.
Starting point is 00:07:09 But there's a couple of them where they just throw it in the engine and call it a day. And those ones are like usually where what you'd miss out on is like if you just beat up on Kisame for a while, you don't get to see like him going full power like you do in the anime. The sword bites you. Right.
Starting point is 00:07:29 So for example, I always liked him. Right. I always thought he was a real. I thought Kisame was cool. He's one of the right. Yeah. Like a fish man. Kisame and Zabuza are dope.
Starting point is 00:07:39 They're cool. Seven swordsmen of the mist. Two of them so far so good. The others maybe, maybe not so much. Maybe never. Who knows? I know. Maybe not so much.
Starting point is 00:07:50 But those two are strong. And not just strong, but also strong. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so so you don't get to see like what happens when this character goes all out, right? And so Kisame is a character that's also been presented as like a mystery.
Starting point is 00:08:08 He's just hanging out with Itachi. He's really powerful. He's got a sword that's all fucked up, but wrapped around, wrapped up in a bandage. A bandage. And it eats chakra. And you're like, OK, so what? Fight to, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:20 What's up with this thing, you know? And you see a little bit more of it when he fights team guy. Yeah. And so on. But you don't actually get to, you know, the meat of like, OK, what's his deal? Yeah. So that's a fight where if you just play the game version,
Starting point is 00:08:36 you're not going to be satisfied with it. But in the show, you get to see his full deal. Yeah. He unwraps the sword. He pulls the coat off and he goes for it. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, OK, cool. Right.
Starting point is 00:08:49 This is what I wanted all along. Street sharks. That's what I wanted. Was it worth it? Yeah. It was super worth it. OK. And then.
Starting point is 00:08:57 I don't believe you. I was totally worth it. And in the end, I was like, yeah, that's, I'm glad I like that character because that's a cool villain that. But I thought that Katsuki were good, actually. It's so complicated. It's so complicated. That's stupid.
Starting point is 00:09:14 That's a stupid thing to say, but it's not because I understand that it's anyway, it gets. Yeah. How about this? How about this? Right? There's different arcs. Oh, I hate this.
Starting point is 00:09:26 And the further the arcs go, the more convoluted all the details you know, get. Wait, do you know like the end of the Naruto? What happens? No, but I there's stuff that. Oh, my God. Through osmosis. I can't possibly not know.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Because I know how it ends. Yeah. But when you say that, you can either mean in terms of the one panel of how it ends or you can. No, I mean, like last couple of chapters. Okay. I don't. The big bad.
Starting point is 00:09:56 And I know. I know. I know a couple. Yeah, I don't know here. Like there's a there's a bunch of floating facts that I cut. You couldn't avoid over time. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:05 I have. I know like who or what is involved. I know what is done. It's magic. And then I know like a couple of other like floating supplemental details. This is weird, but I don't know the specifics of how you get to those points.
Starting point is 00:10:22 So here's a question. Is the are there Naruto games that are all the way to the end yet? Do you even do you still care about what you asked me? Yeah, no, I heard what you just said. Okay. Because so then I ask like, well, if you're going by this and you don't know how it goes, then are there games that go all the weight up to the end?
Starting point is 00:10:41 Yeah, you go through nuns three, then you go through nuns four. And if you feel like it, you can do nuns, revolutions, Boruto to Naruto, Striker. No, you don't have to do any of that nonsense. Once we do, once we do four in theory, that's the end. And then whatever after that, I suppose, but then you can move on to the one piece games and then I can move on to the one piece games. But yeah, this is so this is like one of those bits where I'm like,
Starting point is 00:11:09 look, I obviously the like the best way to consume this is it's like you can just sit down and read it or you can go through like Kai, right, which is like the edited for time versions of the episodes. I but took a look at the Kai stuff. Like it's all fan edited. Yeah, one episode, one volume. It was like this entire arc, the entire Sasuke retrieval arc in like 90 minutes.
Starting point is 00:11:34 And I'm like, oh my God, satisfying. Holy shit. There were so many slow pans. And yeah, I don't know the secret of this power. Yeah. So I have curiosities, right? I have inquiries in my head as to how things play out in this in this not world.
Starting point is 00:11:55 And they're not so pressing that I would need to interrupt my normal day to day life and solve these questions, solve the mystery, solve the mysteries of Naruto, right? But they're funny enough that I'm willing to solve them on camera with everybody in the form of an LP. So that is the answer as to why don't you just go through it the other way? I'm like, because I don't care that much. Oh, no, I care enough.
Starting point is 00:12:25 It wasn't why would why not go through the other way? It was like, I thought you had already because like, no, the reasons why I tapped out. Yeah. Maintain. Okay. That has not changed. Pacing.
Starting point is 00:12:39 I'm out. But you're back in. I know. But I'm out personally. I'm back in for business reasons for the purposes of doing it on camera for funsies with everybody and having that little like, you know, follow through is is funny. It's legitimately hilarious.
Starting point is 00:13:01 I will put on a million stupid cosplay outfits and record as many green screen intros as necessary. How do you for the purposes of the hilarity of discovering what happened? But the truth of the matter is I actually I'm not going to spend my real time. Are you fucking crazy? I'm like, I'm going to read. I'm going to sit there and read through that and not like try to catch up on Jojo Leon or Villain saga or something else that actually seems like
Starting point is 00:13:29 a burning question into how Sasuke turns it around with Sakura. So they end up in the future. Yes. Especially now that that question is more garbage than ever. Since you know how the whole time you've been watching this, you're like, well, at least he's one of those. He's he's a garbage shitty villain that's embracing the dark side, but he still doesn't have the body count.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Yeah. Because I talk about a bit about that when it comes to evil. He doesn't. He's just kind of brooding. The wrong side, right? And that's how you always know. You're just like, ah, you can still swing him back around. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:03 The author doesn't want you to to write him off completely. Right. And you always are when you're waiting to see, are you going to have a moment where it's like, well, that was self-defense. That was a technicality. And that was a person that was way more evil than you. So in the end, it's fine. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Right. But then you are going to you're waiting for your moment of like, wait, you killed them all, especially the younglings. Yeah. And you're like, and that kind of happens. Oh, you know, oh, oh, you're gone. You hit the point of no return. No.
Starting point is 00:14:38 So knowing that the world warps its way back around to make things okay is like triple fucked at this point, because I'm like, but that's the point where you write this character off. Do you know what do you know the stuff about a work tomorrow and like board and all that crap? No, it's the it's the funniest thing ever. I don't know anything about that. Do you mind if I tell you?
Starting point is 00:15:00 Ah, I might get there. Okay. At this point. So leave it alone. It's bad. Well, yeah, probably. I believe it. It's really bad.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I believe it. Oh, did Naruto, did Naruto have another son who died? Is my favorite screen capture of any anime ever? I've never seen that. You've never seen it? No. It's Naruto sitting with Boruto at that fucking ramen shop. And Naruto looks to his right and there's like a memory after image of
Starting point is 00:15:34 himself sitting at the ramen shop alone. And some guy threw it up going, did Naruto have another son who died? Sorry. No, did Boruto's dad have another son who died? That's cool. And it's... Oh, I can't. Well, anyway.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Yeah, so we're, you know, working my way through it and came up on a Revelea ton. Because that's how that's how these these stories tend to work. And there's these like triggers for big plot dump moments. So we get a 45 minute cut scene. Seriously? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:17 And you're like this, and it's like, okay, well, this better be a big deal. It's just two anime episodes. Oh yeah, it was a big deal. Yeah. Hmm? This is just two anime episodes? Just did I'm done in an engine? I mean, might as well be, right?
Starting point is 00:16:31 But anyway, so in going back through it and catching onto like episodes of the show as well, like just fast forwarding to some bits, there's some good shit you want to see, you know? You want to see those fights. You want to see the details of like, what happened in this actual fight? How'd that go down? And some stuff remains. What are you showing me here?
Starting point is 00:16:53 You're handing me a phone. Boruto's dad. Dead son Boruto. Yeah, that's confusing. Okay. Well, anyway. And so you're going through some stuff. You're going through it.
Starting point is 00:17:11 And like what I am absolutely enjoying is like the shit that I never wrote off the shit that I that I liked even when I quit it is is still there. And I'm like, okay, so there is there is like all these little action moments. You you're like, yeah, let's go find out the details of that. But then there's moments like, can we stop this to go and watch the scene where every all the other kids in the village that are not this fucking idiot get together and go, hey, guys, fuck Sasuke, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:46 And everyone's like, yeah, fuck that guy. And you just have a nice little round table. Like, okay, cool. So Sasuke was never good to anybody ever. Like every like it's a very just a very reasonable approach to just be like, right. So ISIS bad, right? Yeah. ISIS bad.
Starting point is 00:18:05 It's bad. Bad. Okay, bad. We're all on the same page. A little rubber stamp on it. All right. Get your tears out. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:13 You I know you had the hots for him. Yeah. But we got a good 12. Right. Like just whatever, you know what I mean? But it's just like, we got to go take out bin Laden. So like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:18:25 I'm sorry. You know, I know what I'm doing. He makes like a bird noise and that's cool. And I know that like you can't stop thinking about how you want to like bring him back and be his boyfriend. And that goes double for for you. Sus. You know, as no, no, I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Oh, yeah. Right. I see. Hey. But bang. But uh, they really, you know, I'm like, yeah, let me stop this to go watch that. I need to see that type of scene. I need to see people who are not idiots talking and I need to see Shikamaru.
Starting point is 00:18:57 See I have a problem with that. And my problem with that is that I feel that just like puts a spotlight on how fucking stupid the main character's reasons for everything are. Yeah, that's that is my problem. And why do I stop the show? I mean, amongst many, but that's, yes, yes, that is a problem. You're correct. Like, hey, you're stupid.
Starting point is 00:19:15 You're pointing out at something that is you're so stupid that everyone else in your fiction is talking about how stupid you are, yes, and they're already up to date on what's going on. They're they're uncovering it as it goes and you are slow on the uptake. But but the the the the shock moments are displayed at your speed as opposed to the speed of anyone who's not slow. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Much less being faster. I don't want to just beat the dead horse. Again, I've done. We've had this conversation. You say Naruto sucks. I'm saying that like it it steps on my particular pet peeves for characters that are as smart as you, smarter than you or dumber than you. Are you saying that Naruto would be a way better series if Naruto fucking died and Chikamaru
Starting point is 00:20:07 became the new main character? No, it would have been a better series if Choji died when they indicated visually that he had died and then everyone would be like, oh, we lost the kid because of this asshole fuck the rest of this retrieval. So he's got blood on his hands now. Right. Yeah. Like, you know, at that point, you're like, fuck this.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Yeah. You you're you're an asshole. You're a trader and we lost people. Well, fuck off. Time to die. And then the whole thing goes the other way around. Anyway, there's a million things that could have done it up better. But remember, don't never forget early on that we were like all on the same page of this
Starting point is 00:20:50 is the cool new shonen anime that's learning from Dragon Ball's pacing mistakes. We were all on that. It did. It used that learning to invent new pacing mistakes and and and then the money makes it very hard to not want to stall out as long as possible. You know, it's really great about Hero Academia. There's one filler episode and it's a filler episode that after I had done watching it, I was like, that was filler.
Starting point is 00:21:17 That episode rocked the one with the Frappi and the fucking seal guy on the boat. And it's like, oh, that was a great episode that I'm glad because I really liked that character. Yeah. Good. Awesome. Now, I don't know if a baseball game or whatever circumstances would occur to fuck up the release schedule of things and make it so that like it would get bad for macadamia.
Starting point is 00:21:45 But like it is nice to know that at the very least so far, they're sticking to it. But I have no faith in anything to not immediately shit the bed if either like some sort of event in Japan makes the schedule get all fucked up or if they run out of chapters and don't know what to do, you know, just stop, please God, the attack on Titan just stops. But they plan out episodes. They plan out seasons. I remember they don't. They don't keep it going in between.
Starting point is 00:22:18 I remember. I don't care. I'm going to tell the story again where everybody stopped watching Naruto at 134 because that's where you stop 33. No, 34 is the end of the fight. Yeah, 33 is the fight. 34 is the end of the fight. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Right. Yeah. And then you're like, okay, it's the filler arc. And then it was a full six months of filler and then a year of filler and then 18 months of filler and then two I think two years of filler about and then they announced Chippuden and I was like, I'm going to be the time skipper like hard cut to a to a Rockley carrying buckets of shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:50 Hard cut to fake Rockley. Ostrich ninjas. Yeah. Hard cut to Mizuki, the first villain episode Tiger Man. Yeah. Hard cut to the sword that looks like a lightning bolt. Yeah. From a dollar store power rangers rip off toy like it just and then it's like Chippuden
Starting point is 00:23:08 is coming out. And I was like, I'll watch that. And I remember I watched that before you because you had read a little bit of the post time skip manga at that point. No, I read I read I had kept reading. Okay. So you yeah, you were familiar with the post times. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Yeah. You were telling me, yo, it gets really cool. This bug guy does cool stuff. Right. And I was like, okay, now I'm watching the anime and I'm watch the first episode of the anime and I'm talking about them with Kakashi in the in the fucking in the training thing to show us how things have changed. And you looked at me like I was insane.
Starting point is 00:23:41 You're like, what are you talking about? That doesn't happen. I'm like, yeah, I did this. And then we discovered that the filler was no longer segmented away. It was now integrated fully integrated filler. And it was not. It was now worse than Dragon Ball ever was because it wasn't even like long pans and good music.
Starting point is 00:24:05 It was like events that just fucking didn't happen. So I can challenge that and say sometimes it's better because now it continues. And like the further we go into Shippuden, the more we hit this interlaced filler. And it's like, so we're looking at the same fight, but there's moments that you're like, wait, that did not happen in the book. They added it in, but they didn't make a filler arc. They just added episodes to this fight, right? So excuse me, so awful.
Starting point is 00:24:36 Men would point out like, yeah, like they're just like, oh yeah, that summon in the middle of that fight never happened. That character never summoned that beast and wrote it around for a while. That attack never happened. You know what I mean? And so like it starts to get more elaborate in that way. Now sometimes the thing they add ends up being cool. Sometimes it ends up being a waste of everyone's time.
Starting point is 00:25:01 A lot of the time it's not much, but CyberConnect also ends up doing this in the games, but they're doing it for style. And they style in pretty good ways because they're good at. So like you're like, oh shit, that's a really cool thing that you added to this fight that nobody had seen before if you had already gone through multiple versions of this fight. But yeah, the fights are extended as opposed to the in between episodes. Doesn't that just create the problem of you're like 10 fights later and you're like, but Naruto did that in that fight.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Why doesn't he just do that? He would win instantly. And the answer is because that thing didn't happen. But that's less bad of a problem than we end at this high tension point where people are fucking almost dying or died. And then we have to go into stupid fucking butt fart hijinks to that. You know what I mean? We go like you don't want to have like the death of the third Hokage immediately followed
Starting point is 00:26:07 by put it for like three episodes. And then oh no, what's the mystery of guys eyebrows or or what's the mystery of Kikashi's lips? And then we have to try and sneak around and find out what his face looks like. Oh, there are these big goofy lips. And then at the end of this goofball fucking section, the funeral, you cut back to the funeral, you know, like you can't do that or you can. And it's the worst shit ever attack on Titan doesn't have filler.
Starting point is 00:26:40 And for all anyone's complaints about attack on Titan, at least it doesn't have filler. So you can just sit down and you just watch it. So, you know, and at the end of every arc, there is a moment like that of like, it's not quite like there's never a fine moment to drop the filler in, you know, they did do it in a couple places in like in the current stuff where it's like, oh, they're on a boat to an island. Well, guess what? That fucking boat's not hitting that shore anytime soon.
Starting point is 00:27:15 That's an easy one, you know, but sticking it in the middle of a fight is better than like after the tension has been like strung as high as possible and neither as good as just not. So so I've been corrected. Apparently there are two Hero Academia filler episodes. The other one was the one with them at the pool, which yeah, should have known that was a filler episode. Oh, I forgot about that one.
Starting point is 00:27:42 But like, I don't know, Hero Acca has a really like it has moment it has arcs where it's like, oh man, drama. And then it has arcs of like long stretches of just chilling, just chilling at school doing school crap. Yeah. So that's okay. And again, like I remember when I was like, yeah, man, bleach dad, there's no filler in that.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Get out. Bleach is nothing but filler for the first for the first little while there was none. And then eventually there was one filler arc and it was a couple episodes long, like maybe three and it was like focusing on Oh man, dude, Orihime and all that I fucking I fucking just out of out of like curiosity the other day. I was just like, I wonder, I wonder. So I just typed in the phrase Eisen versus into YouTube and found like what I think was the second to last one without and he turns into like an alien and he's like a feature
Starting point is 00:28:41 list white like right or but perfect and I'm like, I don't want this is the worst. This is so bad. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I feel like some stories you can read almost backwards and like see how things were like laced along the way and like shown and jump is just not the place for you to go to the where things end and take it to them from the beginning and be like, oh yeah, this was planned all the time like there's a real like I think that's really funny because there was this picture going around this tweet of like, oh, it's been a
Starting point is 00:29:23 while and it was a picture of a Luffy from episode one of the anime to Luffy from the anime today and he's like huge and buff and he's got like a big scar and wears his hat around his back and he's like, you know, okay, time has passed, right? And like, okay, that's like a normal thing and I remember when I saw the poster for book three of the original avatar and what like what a core looked like and what a look like and and so I had the sword and this is very different from book one and I'm like, okay, I see how but then I looked the shit with bleach and I'm like some characters look identical and have not changed at all and others are weird space aliens and I'm just like, I can't
Starting point is 00:30:05 everyone seems adamant that one piece goes against that rule. So that's nice to know. One piece is apparently very good. I wish the pacing on the anime was better. You were hard in there for a while. Watch 250. Watch 250, maybe 255. You don't get to talk about one piece with distance when you've seen that much of it.
Starting point is 00:30:23 250, 250, whatever, that's nothing. I know. The show's infinity long. But like, when you say shit, like, I hear it's good and I'm like, wait, hold on. You've watched 250 episodes and that qualifies you to say, oh yeah, I hear it's good. There are 900 episodes, Willie. There are 900 episodes. Oh man, this is yeah, this is like that's like me watching the first three episodes
Starting point is 00:30:50 of a 26 episode anime and going, I hear it's good. I know, but it's just it's insane because this is on some Gundam or a Kamen Rider shit where it's like, oh yeah, I hear it's pretty cool and it's like, what have you watched? And it's like, oh, only like three or four things, seasons or series. Each of those are 52 episodes, but you know, I hear it's good. Yeah, you're still scratching the surface with your hundreds of fucking episodes investment. You know, if I had all the mangas in English, I would read them, but like the idea of reading that many volumes on like a screen is not appealing.
Starting point is 00:31:31 It's just not. I mean, I got I got used to it early on with Jojo, but yeah, well, I did that with a berserk and I did that with the various parts of Jojo, but even that, that's like a weekend, whereas one piece is not a weekend. It's your whole fucking month. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, does it feel though, at least like, again, does it?
Starting point is 00:31:55 Is there any part of it where you, it's, it's, it is posturing for time or is it just like quality? Talking about one piece. Yeah. One piece has Matt has large filler arcs. Okay. Like, and because for the quality, the way people like talk about how really good it is, it's really exciting to hear that something can go for this long and be good.
Starting point is 00:32:19 And I guess I just kind of wonder, I'm like, but there's no way that you can't see moments of it being like, okay, we're going to be good. Okay. We're fooling for time. There are large filler arcs. You got to see through the cracks. There are large filler arcs in general. And then also in non filler arcs, the pacing is such that you're seeing, you're often seeing
Starting point is 00:32:37 flashbacks of stuff that happened within the episode because it's like, we really want to do chopper story right now, a little reindeer guy, but like, there's not much here. So have a flashback to the thing his, his dad said to him once an episode about being a doctor. Um, I mean, if you've got a story that is just like, yo, this is going to take, like, if it's, if it's like, yeah, if you're making an anime that was, uh, I don't know, Harry Potter or, um, George R. R. Martin, right? Like then you have that much lore in your head.
Starting point is 00:33:19 You're just going to start working through it and get there when you get there. But so many other shows definitely feel like they're making it up as they go along. That like, yeah, one piece appears to be like a definite exception that I hear consistently over the years. Yeah. And yeah, uh, people are yelling at me and shit. Like the, yeah, the anime is like half filler, like episode to episode or arc to arc. And it definitely, you'd sit down and watch like five episodes and be like, you could
Starting point is 00:33:47 have done this in one. So I watched 250, right? Yep. And I'm like, yeah, I hear it's good because I really feel like I only watched like two or three seasons of like a 15 season thing. Yep. Yep. Man, it's the perspective on that is, is infuriating at times, but it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Anyway, but like, yeah, so I did that and got to, and I got to see the new, the new Super Saiyan as it were in, in Naruto. Oh. So I'm like, oh, shit. Now I understand why that looks like that. Yeah. Gotcha. And immediately after that stream, I had to run and, and, and fucking sprint to the train
Starting point is 00:34:45 station to get on a train to head to Tio for a wedding of a friend. Okay. Congratulations to friend. Yep. Had a good time. That was fun. On the way there, I've fully pretty much committed to tap in as like my time waster of choice. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Probably going to need, like, let me, I need to look into like maybe recording something with it or like doing one of those like computer emulator things to play it where you can like play your phone games on your desktop or something. Cause like I'm also, I'm, yeah, like now I'm at a point where I'm like, okay, I'm playing, I've been playing a bunch of ranked matches and I am not moving forward because now I'm hitting killers. Spend money. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:32 That's the answer. Yeah. I've had enough to get me to the point that I reached, I've now reached consistent killers and everyone I'm fighting at this point is either a rank and above like a rank or champion rank and the champion rank people are like just annihilating me and but there's matches where my deck totally beats stomps on them too. So it makes me wonder like I've stopped tweaking things now cause I've cause I've like been winning with the deck that I have, but I definitely I'm curious about, I'm like, there's an element
Starting point is 00:36:13 here where if they just have a bad random draw of cards and I have a good random draw of cards, I win, right? That's probably the case. So like while you're really doing is you're tweaking like your strategies for your odds of increasing, but there's always going to be a chance that they have a really a bad random, you know, a bad beat. Yeah. I remember hearing from a magic player back in high school that ordering your deck in
Starting point is 00:36:41 such a way that you like even randomly shuffled you have better odds of getting things that work together like blah, blah, blah. But that was with physical cards. Oh, okay. Cause you don't, you're not allowed to order. No, I don't think so. I don't know anything about Teppen. What I mean is like you stack your deck in such a way that given a random chance, you're
Starting point is 00:37:02 less likely to get a situation in which you have like nothing. Yeah. I mean, I assume you're just talking about like making a deck consistently compatible with each other, right? So that you have, I don't know, man. I don't know how to build decks. Okay. Well, I'm learning I'm on the fly, but like, you know, by if you if you give yourself
Starting point is 00:37:24 because there's, there's like buff cards and then there's like cards you can play like characters and like if you give yourself too many buff cards, then you might run out of, you know, characters to play when you need a situation where you, you got to play one or you might have too many expensive characters that are all really strong. And like by the time you have enough points saved up to play them, like they can play out like a ton of their shit. There's crazy stuff where like Morgan can just steal your card. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Right. Like there's like Wesker can destroy it outright. But Morgan can just take whatever you've been building and be like, yeah, it's mine now. So you have to plan for a strategy to counter that if possible, which so far it seems like the best you can really do. Or there's a couple of different ways to approach it, right? But with me, it's like I can make my card weaker before it switches sides or stuff
Starting point is 00:38:20 like that, right? So there's these little bits and pieces that like the really good champion players are using that I'm just like, fuck me. Like I don't know how to even approach stopping that, you know, and then what's always fun and what I do appreciate in this kind of card game world is like a deck that's built towards one thing. And like you'll see like even if this person is like a high ranked champion league thing, and then like they'll try to do this one strategy and like they'll have a
Starting point is 00:38:52 couple of plan Bs for reinforcing that strategy. And if those don't work, they just surrender immediately. Right. So for example, jury is a card you can play and jury has a Feng Shui engine. Sure. So when you're, when her card, like she has a pretty average card, but like when she hits you, the the player directly and not like one of your cards, she gets access to Feng Shui engine, which is like a massive buff that you can play on top
Starting point is 00:39:24 of your unit, her unit, right? And so like, yeah, they'll do things like they'll be like, they'll play her in a spot and then try to rush it forward so that they just hate you before you can do anything about it. Right. If that doesn't work, then they'll put a card on her that makes her attack leap past whatever you put in front of it and still hit you anyway. And then like the, and then I can put down an anti air that stops that from
Starting point is 00:39:49 happening because she goes like a flying unit. Anyways, this whole thing. Yeah. Um, and then they'll do like a third thing where they like duplicate it so that like there's a copy of her that's trying to do the same thing. And I stopped that too. And it's like minute one surrender. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Like fuck it didn't work. It's gone. Uh, I think. Cause there's all sorts of fucking gimmick builds that people run in these card games. I think my favorite ever was a Hearthstone gimmick build in which, uh, so our Hearthstone is obviously automated card game in which the effects play automatically.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Yeah. And there are cards that summon more cards or create enemies on the field or kill enemies on the field. And for all good long time, I don't know if it's still around, but somebody told me watch out when you play this because if people play this deck, there's literally nothing you can do if you're on a phone because your phone doesn't run as fast as your PC and it was a deck built around causing so many cards to fill and unfill on the screen over and over and over again that even after
Starting point is 00:40:58 they played their turn, the animations would last so long that you wouldn't be able to complete your turn before the time ran out. That sucks. So they would play it and your turn would start and you would have to wait for the animations to finish and they would literally finish at zero and then you would not get a turn. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:18 And they would just play something on top of that. So that's garbage. The closest thing to that here is there's moments where, um, I don't know why, but for some reason, I feel like I'm always second when it comes to dropping my abilities on the field because when you do that, it stops the game, slows down time, shows you the big art and then it's their turn and then you can match or whatever. Sure.
Starting point is 00:41:43 And like there's times where you both do it at the same time. And I feel like I just, I'm always on the losing end of those, but, um, in moments where like you, yeah, there's times where like an attack line is slowly making its way towards you and like the, and the opponent will just keep doing that so that you never really get a chance to drop your card on a defensive position and I'll have moments where like I've, I've, I've put the card above the slot that's supposed to stop me from getting hit and it's just waiting for their animation to finish before it drops.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Yeah. But then like another one will start and then it's just floating there and then like by the third time, it just shoots it back to your hand and then I take the head and I'm like, what the fuck? You know, so little weird things. But anyway, um, yeah, there's a couple of, there's also a lot that's unexplained about how these card games work and like about what abilities are. And maybe some of them are just carryovers from if you're used to the genre,
Starting point is 00:42:44 I suppose, probably, but like, uh, there's that wiki. Well, there's, I went through the wiki and there's an ability list, right? That's in the game that gives you a description of like these properties can be applied to cards, but then there's specific things that are like this card specifically has this unique thing and then the, the website will officially explain a couple of those, but there's bits like destroy aim. For example, if anyone out there knows what that does, please tell me. Cause I literally, yeah, I typed in, I typed in tap in and then open quotations,
Starting point is 00:43:12 destroy aim, close quotations and found like, uh, pretty much those like a four chance thread and that was it. There was like no results on that, you know, so. So how does it feel to get into fighting games as a new player? Right. Exactly. And I'm, and this is why when I, just now the irony is like palpable. Well, I'm looking for, but I'm doing Google searches for the terms.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Yeah. Right. Right. In a lot of cases, like the things that I'm referring to, it depends, right? But I know that, I know that there's lexicons out there for fighting game stuff. And I will always try to like still dumb it down when possible in this type of context, right? So I know that the thing that goes around the card that hits you is called flying.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Right. And everyone's like, yeah, Willie, that's flying. I'm like, yeah, I know, but I'm going to talk about it in a more. I think the difference is, is that clear way to get jargony. There are obviously lexicons for these card things and there is resources, but they're all in like a fucking scum basements, maybe away from the world. Perhaps. Um, not seen by the light of day.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Yeah. Right. Because so for example, like, uh, you know, when someone uses like Oki's MA, right? A lot of the time are Oki. It's like, what the fuck? You're just grabbing a Japanese word, right? I hate it. I've always hated it.
Starting point is 00:44:31 Okay. Well, just say, wake up, you weeb assholes. It, it, it's contextual, but, um, the, the, uh, uh, but, but, but, yeah, like that's something where I know for a fact that, uh, the anime wiki, the street fighter wiki, SRK, and at least one or two other like fighting game lexicon resources out there have a big paragraph telling you what it is, right? So if you were to Google search any words, hopefully you can sort of find that word. You know, but like this was one word I couldn't, I couldn't find.
Starting point is 00:45:10 Couldn't find what the meaning of destroy aim was. Um, revenge. I did look up and it's like, Oh yeah, this is what revenge is. You know, but then, but again, there's like, like, there's little, little specific cards that have things where you're like, but what is that though? You know, and then unfortunately, like, there's no official thing on that, which that's fighting games also can run into that problem. But the difference is in fighting games, they're not referring to the words
Starting point is 00:45:34 I'm talking about the communities using those terms, right? So it's on the community to describe what they mean, right? Whereas in this game, it's the in game definition. Yeah, like they literally says on the fucking card destroy aim and you just have to go either way with it, right? So if the fighting game was pushing out these words at you and then you didn't know that'd be one thing, but in this case, it's official terminology. So there's a difference there, you know?
Starting point is 00:45:59 But yeah, so still enjoying that and trying to do player matches to try and tweak and figure out how to how to best the odds. And. Yeah, anyway, whatever, Tepin, like I said, I might look into how to record some of that because I've been playing a good bit of it. It'd be probably fun to do it on camera and see what do you like, Tepin. I'm liking it. OK, I am liking it.
Starting point is 00:46:29 I asked that as an odd question because every time you've brought it up, you were like, I've used it to waste time and like wasting time. It's not always a thing I associate with even enjoyment. Mm hmm. It is in is firmly in the time wasting category, but like as somebody who's like proper filling up my schedule with bullshit, like. Yeah, people are saying you just tap the word on the card and it'll tell you. No.
Starting point is 00:47:00 So the word, so it depends, right? Like in some cases, there's a lot of I will get like one thing Tepin's really good at is you tap the card and then they'll be highlighted things that it'll elaborate on and it does in it. And that's definitely something that I figured out a ton of stuff in the game by doing exactly what they're describing. This is not one of those, you know, but it's really good all the other times at that stuff, you know, and it's also really good at like searching
Starting point is 00:47:32 because you can just type in a word and it'll like find you the cards that have that word in it and then like you can like look by ability and things like that. So that's cool. But yeah, and then the other thing was that, yes, upon upon getting to that wedding, you always do some sometimes funny things happen. And sometimes you pretty much grab your suits and pack them in head on down. And then on the day of you put those suits on and you go, Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. This isn't happening. And I go fuck me enough. Fell off the wagon, stopped doing my workouts as much as I was adamantly on them before. You always got to try that shit on like the week before, man.
Starting point is 00:48:30 You just you have that physical moment where you know you've been slacking and you know it's bad. And like there was things like, for example, when I was getting a lot of tattoo stuff done, like you can't go work out when you're recovering from that probably hurts a lot. So there are skipped sessions through that means and one thing leads to another. And then you're back from Japan. And before you know it, you're just fucking full off, full off the wagon,
Starting point is 00:48:59 full off that wagon, wagons in the distance. Oh, no. And it takes a moment like literally like this suit was fitting not. But like a year ago, if sooner than that, yeah, this sucks. And you go fuck me. Time to go fix this problem immediately. But also like for real reels in the long term. Suck it in.
Starting point is 00:49:27 Yeah. No, not that it wasn't there. Oh, no, it wasn't there. It was beyond suck it in. And I mean, the fun part was running to the mall 10 minutes away and going into a suit store and basically going, I have 20 minutes. Do me up. Just make it happen, you know, and like to and to their credit,
Starting point is 00:49:52 the the folks there did it and they basically just went and I'm like, I like that color. I like that color. I like that suit. I just pointed and things just kind of came and I just pop up up up up up up and I walked out 15 minutes later, suited up and it worked as somebody with tiny, shitty legs and let's say I'm overly generous ways. Yeah, you're fine.
Starting point is 00:50:11 That's not a possibility. No, your head would be tripping over like the knees. Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, that didn't work. But I walked in a ragamuffin and I walked out, you know, ready for a wedding and that worked out nicely. So yay. However, that doesn't that doesn't address the
Starting point is 00:50:31 well, now you got to sit fits no problem, right? Yeah, exactly. There's the long term damage of just like, oh, no. And so we've come to this, you know, so fucking enough is enough. You got to try your suits on a week before, man. But but but I I've never like that's that's a problem I have not had. I've never had that problem. I've always been big and slash like I've always had suits that fit it
Starting point is 00:50:58 because I just, you know, church stuff would mean you're having them frequently anyway. And at a certain point, you're not doing that anymore. But well, should I had still was fitting? It has a it has a different context for me because I have a stupid body type in which like the legs are in particular are a problem. They're a big problem. But your legs are not going to change size.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Yeah, they're not going to change size. But it means that if anything else changes size, I can't just go get an off the rack fucking thing. Yeah, I need like weeks. I need like a week of like somebody cutting the legs off the fucking pants. No, so for sure. Yeah. And the other thing is that I go like a year and a half easy between wearing suits like I have worn suits like I think eight times
Starting point is 00:51:42 in my life tops. So I don't I don't. Yeah, I don't I don't have that problem. It's not as big of a critical thing in terms of like how to get myself a suit when I need one in an emergency, because I was able to get one within half an hour. Yeah. I was I went from nothing to fully ready to go within that 25 minutes. So like that's nice to know. It's nice to know that that can be done.
Starting point is 00:52:06 But that's not the point. The point is more so that like fuck, dude, you got to fucking you got to get it under control. So yeah, that was a real not good feeling. Oh, well, you won. The important thing is that you got a suit that worked and you didn't embarrass your friend. That's not the important thing. I mean, at the time, it totally was at the time it was.
Starting point is 00:52:33 But yeah, it takes these these moments, you know, it takes it takes these real life interactions to like really make it cemented as opposed to just not quite looking. You don't want to stand on and look at that number. You don't want to stand on the scale. Yeah, no. So yeah. Anything like that. Can you relate ever have a moment where you're just like,
Starting point is 00:53:01 uh oh, I didn't want to think about it. But now it's real. Sure. OK. It's fishing for discussion. But usually I'm like, yeah, that figures. Yeah, that's my fault. Yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. It was a first.
Starting point is 00:53:19 There's a first for me. But I mean, none of it will ever beat the like these damn legs. Why can't they just be normal legs? Well, anyway, I got pajamas, new recently pajamas and like I like them, but they're so long that when I go up the stairs, I have to hold up the legs like I'm in a fucking 1920s ladies dress. I have to pick up the sides and lift them up so I don't trip on the pajama legs
Starting point is 00:53:51 because the legs are so long. Yeah. And I'm like, fuck. Yeah, fuck these baby legs. So I cue the I'm like in a permanent curtsy. Cue the announcer from Metal Slug. Oh, Berg. Like I could fucking, you know what? Fuck it. Hold on a second.
Starting point is 00:54:14 What are you doing? Pat's getting up. He's putting his phone down, putting his can down. He is he is turning. So I'm turning away. He's walking away. He appears to be walking towards the kitchen. He's grabbing his jacket. He's putting his jacket on.
Starting point is 00:54:32 He might be gone. All right. Wally. Narrate for the people. What what my hands look like out of my coat? Your sleeves are drooping, not unlike that kid from the Peter Pan movie. And then when you stick your hand out to reach out, that's when your hands become visible.
Starting point is 00:54:53 But at your waist, we're talking like as long as his hands are at his sides, his hands are completely hidden inside the sleeves of his jacket. It's just to a foot. And that's life. That's life for Pat. Now, imagine this twice as bad with your legs. I look like a little kid in every coat I wear.
Starting point is 00:55:19 Now, that does have to do with body size relative to limb extension, correct? No, it's mostly limb extension. OK, my torso is overly generous in some respects, but is otherwise a normal ish torso. Would you say that the body part of the jacket is correctly fitted? Yeah, OK. Well, ain't nothing fits with these limbs. Dems to breaks.
Starting point is 00:55:49 I remember when I was a little kid, I looked like some kind of double little kid. Because my arms wouldn't come out of my coat, no matter how far they stretched. Well, I'm talking about problems that something can be done about. So, yeah, yeah. Anyway, motivation time, because fuck. I was told if I drank milk every day, my arms and legs will grow. And then then it didn't.
Starting point is 00:56:16 Yeah. And then we were told milk is bad. Fuck you, milk is bad. And then to quote Louis Black, which one fucking is it? Who knows? Well, Louis Black, it's eggs. Our eggs, good or bad? No, he did.
Starting point is 00:56:35 The question is, was his milk good? Oh, it's milk. It's milk. Yeah. He he does a whole bit on is milk good for you or bad for you? And then it's a good no one knows. That's a pretty good Louis Black sound you hit on that. So, yeah, when it comes down to it, though, I feel as if the problem with this ping-ponging system,
Starting point is 00:56:58 this zapping system of weight is that the older you get, the more resistant your body is to change. So, like, you got to really get it in there before it's too late because it starts to really fight you each time you you you pong. You know, and the upswing becomes more and more arduous. Yeah. And and I can definitely tell that, like, I'm someone who, despite the fact that my body is completely different
Starting point is 00:57:28 from everyone else in my family's, really? Yes. My body, my body is completely different. Everyone else in my family is tall and life and athletic. I'm like, so that's that's a video game. So do you. But that's that means that, like, so that's naturally what is supposed to be happening here, right? Right. And it's like, no, bro. It's fucking fighting me the other way, like a lot of the time.
Starting point is 00:57:53 You traded Jesus for video games, and this is what you get. So even when you're doing what I'm doing, calories and calories out and I'm counting it down, I'm like, why isn't calories and calories out actually like working in this context? And I had to dig deeper and do a little bit more research on it. And anyway, it like it's going to be an uphill battle. But yeah, back in there, just suck it in. Didn't work. Just no more tried.
Starting point is 00:58:19 You're not doing it hard enough. I didn't want to destroy this. I could I could pack all this in if I sucked hard enough. Didn't want to destroy the shirt or the suit. That's bad. Anyway, I just don't feel like it. Yeah, nothing else. All right. Oh, wait, hold on. Did you watch the Mandalorian? No.
Starting point is 00:58:40 OK, I watched the first episode of the Mandalorian. I thought that was pretty cool. That's a nice host, your baby Yoda gifts. Don't do it. That's a nice isolated story that puts in a couple of nods to things. It does what you'd expect, right? When's it? When is it? Yeah. That's the funny thing is I actually am not sure. OK.
Starting point is 00:59:04 So there's like I'd rather like if you're going to watch it, watch it, right? I'm like, you figure it out from that or I'm sure people have like nailed it or they may be is Disney releasing these one episode a week. Yeah, yeah, they're on they're on three episodes. I'll wait. OK. Yeah, I'm actually not sure. And I bet you that people are probably like having discussions about it.
Starting point is 00:59:32 But there's some signs that seem to indicate it might be this point in time. There's some signs that indicate it like it might be a little bit like before that, I'm not I'm not 100 percent. So apparently that baby Yoda is very cute. Well, and there's some other fun stuff, too, besides that thing. Like I was like, oh, like there's a joint that showed up. I'm like, hey, it's like I g 88, but it's different.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Some other things, you know, and you're like, OK, cool. So anyway, yeah, it seems to be it reminds me of the way obviously not the way it looks, but the way it's written. It reminds me of the Gendy Clone Wars, in the sense that at least from this first episode, there's a lot of like. Not silence, but like very straightforward delivery of events and nothing to like.
Starting point is 01:00:39 Nothing's trying too hard to like push a second layer of things at you, right? It's just kind of going like, hey, this isn't Star Wars. Here's a couple of references to things. And everything you're looking at is very clear cut, straight up delivery of events occurring. And that way you can probably it's probably because like that'll upset the least amount of people if you do fuck up
Starting point is 01:01:06 by just delivering a very straightforward story. But so far as, at least as far as that pilot goes, I was like, yeah, I'll watch more of that should be interesting. Also, if you like Mandalorians and you'll get to see a whole lot of the Hedas Lucas film saying it's really hard to make stuff in the Star Wars universe now, because we don't have any comics or books or anything like that to draw off of like Marvel does. Yeah, that is funny.
Starting point is 01:01:33 And everyone in the universe went, you fuck. Like, is it possible that the decision to kill all that stuff off was contested internally? Yeah, probably. Is it possible that someone like that might come out and say that almost being like, see, see what happens? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:01:56 They could have just killed all the stuff off post episode six and been fine and been like and then just mind it for ideas and just redone them. I kept everything from pre. I mean, for fuck's sake, Mandalorian itself is a comic from the expanding universe. They never fucking say Mandalore in those movies. I think they said something. I remember somewhere, I'm not sure if it's official or just like speculative, but there was a line along the lines of like the nature of the expanded universe
Starting point is 01:02:28 made it so that directors and like other like, you know, movie making types were scared to touch the property. Oh, it was it was gigantic and massive and every every event for 20 years after the fucking movies ended was detailed in every conceivable way. So anyone who has to come in has to go familiarize with all that shit. Yeah, but you're too scared to. You can still fucking mine it for cool ideas. You can still create an admiral Thrawn and have a blue villain asshole,
Starting point is 01:03:00 who's just a general. Well, I think I imagine that's kind of what their plan was slash what they're going to do slash what they're doing is by you kill it all off, but you grab bits and pieces that like are worth bringing back. Well, we need to have maybe we need to have the lightsabers that spin like helicopters. You seen that shit? No. Oh, man. I am familiar with General Grievous.
Starting point is 01:03:26 Oh, so the fucking bad, bad, sift people that hunt the Jedi's in the Clone Wars shit. Their lightsabers are double sided, but they're like circular around the handle because they hit a button and they start spinning like a helicopter and they use them to fly away. Oh. Oh, no. And the main antagonist in Fallen Order totally has that lightsaber. But I bet you dimes to donuts that she will never ever use that function
Starting point is 01:03:57 because it looks like the shittiest thing ever. Wait, do they literally? They literally hold their arms up and fucking it starts to spin. They fly away. You can look up clips of this easy on the YouTubes. It's very bad. Why would you approve that? It's very bad.
Starting point is 01:04:14 It's really stupid. And that's canon. Also, it's like Revan. Fuck Revan. It's light. It's shut up. It's not a helicopter blade. It's light and it has no mass.
Starting point is 01:04:26 There's nothing to propel you. Shut up. Like, I think I think I'm going to I'm going to I when I started my Fallen Order stream, I went on this mini rant that was based off of a similar rant that Rich Evans did on one of their Star Wars things, which is Star Wars is totally fucked bankrupt and has no variability and nowhere to go because the movies have course corrected over and over that you can only have this archetype. You can only have this.
Starting point is 01:05:02 You're watching it right now, aren't you? Maybe you can only have the cool wizard who's got what you got. Scoundrel gunman. Oh, you're looking at it. Oh, it's so dumb. Oh, it's bad. No. There's no man.
Starting point is 01:05:15 It's just nothing. It's just light. Oh, fuck you. And it's stupid like every Star Wars thing has to follow this really rigid formula of like who the good guys are and who the bad guys are and what they're all like and they and like the expanding universe wasn't like that. So kill it. I mean, that's canon.
Starting point is 01:05:41 Like you want to hear it like. But let's talk about star Star Wars canon. Here's how fucking dumb and how little you should take Star Wars canon seriously. Hey, Wally, why is it that when Luke and Vader are fighting an episode six, you know, with the final fight revenge of the sorry return of the Jedi and they're swinging these fucking things around like they're the heaviest goddamn shits ever because that's how the directors were told because Lucas had directed to do it swing them like they're heavy, heavy, so you go back to this point
Starting point is 01:06:14 a lot, you always bring it up. And then everything after that is like, oh, no, wait, they're made out of light. They should be totally weightless. Oh, yeah, boo, boo, yeah. And like that. But shut up. Like it's stupid. It's dumb.
Starting point is 01:06:28 The one of the questions that like comes back every once in a while to me and then it occurred last night was one where I realized I'm like, wait, so like, right, I never actually because I didn't watch this, the C.G. Clone Wars, yeah, I never like I assume that's the place to where you find out how we go from the clone army clone troopers to the storm troopers. I assume the process of them getting replaced is explained somewhere in those seasons. But like, I always kind of have those moments of going, wait, yeah, how did when what was the bleed into that?
Starting point is 01:07:11 When did we go from like, fuck these clones into like, let's just hire grunts. Yeah, you know, I don't know. That's what I mean. But anyway, I got a guy in here that explains the helicopter blades. Yeah. In and in so doing, proves that the helicopter blades are even dumber. They're flying with the force, not the sabers, which is already established as a thing for short range of rotation.
Starting point is 01:07:37 So that's the case. Then why do they need to spin at all? Yeah, sure, you can you can you can use the force to fly. Sure. Well, then why that why you hold up your helicopter blades? Like it's one like, they why do you need these things to occur? You know, for the visual of the helicopter blade? Is that literally it? Kids understand they could fly because it spins.
Starting point is 01:07:57 Make things. It's so stupid move go Star Wars is the worst. I really like a bunch of things in Star Wars. But I now realize that everything that I like in Star Wars is either the first three movies or video games that came out like a decades later. Everything you like in Star Wars is powered by something you hate. Yeah. Something stupid is powering all the cool shit.
Starting point is 01:08:22 You ever think, well, you know, literally, you know, remember Kotor and how there's vibro swords and their swords that are just made out of metal. Yep. And hit the lightsaber. Yep. You want to think about how the lightsaber has no mass at all. Mm hmm. If you have a 10 pound sword, right, and you swing it at a guy who holds
Starting point is 01:08:42 a lightsaber up and the lightsaber has no mass, that means they have to control the recoil all with their wrist, right? Doesn't that mean you're going to hit their lightsaber and it's going to push the lightsaber just straight in their body because they have nothing to hold your sword back in theory. But the force, the force. Always with the force now. How else, you know, that's why.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Got to got to use it to hold it. If that's the case, why don't they all just hold their swords around them telekinetically and just be Magneto with lightsabers because they're not. Shoot them like projectiles because they're not that good. It's hard. So I said that I am waiting right now for somebody in this chat to say. So back in the day, there was this guy who was like a fish man. And he didn't have any arms or legs.
Starting point is 01:09:40 And that like welcome. Some do. There it is. There you go. Welcome to the discussion. Not only that, welcome to the discussion about like if a lightsaber is just a machine, why can't anyone pick it up, press the button and then. And sure enough, they show that there's their stuff, their stuff. There's a whole discussion there.
Starting point is 01:09:57 You know, so. Oh, fuck. Yeah. It happens in Kotor, too. I can blame the guy yelling it. There's a boss fight that that character does that. Sure. Great, dude, let's say that's not Canada. That's what they say.
Starting point is 01:10:07 We're tosses. Yeah, what? Yeah, just totally move. Just throw 35 sabers all at once. Well, who's going to stop it? So just don't don't question it. Just consume product. Star Wars is the worst.
Starting point is 01:10:20 It's the best worst. It's the best. Star Wars is the best worst. OK, what did you like? Did you enjoy that? Yeah, well, guess what? That only happened because the secrets of the wills took place on a small Korean level, the will of the wisps, the journal, the journal of the secret
Starting point is 01:10:37 wills, the bugs, the bugs in our hearts. He didn't say there were bugs. What are they? Your brain thinks they're bugs because they're small. Yeah. You never said that. I'm picturing tiny little human fairies. Oh, that's no. I'm picturing.
Starting point is 01:10:50 No, they're bugs. I'm picturing many humans. I'm picturing. Oh, that's so dumber. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, the wills, though. The wills. I think the wills are like little humanoids. I don't think they're bugs at all.
Starting point is 01:11:03 That's how much of my brain goes. You don't know. Yeah, it's in there. It's the only reason the cool shit happens. I fucking hate Star Wars. I love Star Wars. I fucking hate Star Wars. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:16 So if you want to learn about or you want to just enjoy the Mando, you can just watch the Mando. You know, it's you know, it's funny. Me and me and Plague and Hazel watched the Star Trek last night and there was a moment in which, and this happens every single time I talk to some old Star Trek fan where somebody goes, hey, you remember that time and they describe some fucking goofball episode that has the worst thing in the world happened to it.
Starting point is 01:11:43 And I laughed so hard that I almost fell down and blood started shooting out of my nose because we were talking about the episode in which Conan O'Brien, Conan O'Brien, oh my God, Miles O'Brien, you know, the transporter guy. His daughter Molly falls into a time portal on a picnic and falls back out 10 years later as a psychotic feral child that bites people and stabs people. And then the episode ends with them just going, she's too hard to take care of. And they go back to the planet and dump her back in the portal and say, she'll be happier this way.
Starting point is 01:12:21 They don't fix the problem. And everything around that is the funniest thing in the world. And had me like actually shooting blood. That's pretty fucked up laughing. And there are a million things in Star Trek about that. And the thing about that for Star Trek is because the way it was made every time you talk about that, it's forever. It's locked in.
Starting point is 01:12:43 That happened. There's no like this didn't count or that didn't count. It's always like, no, that there's a 616 reality that we're following. Yeah. Yeah. And the Star Wars has had this really long history of every anything goes right up until it doesn't. And oh, and the only thing you can count as a gospel is the movies.
Starting point is 01:13:08 And the movies, none of that stupid, stupid shit happens. Right? Yeah, like the movies don't talk about the fucking wills. But at the same time, right? When you go to EU, like the best and worst of Star Wars comes from. Oh, yeah, totally, right? Everything that like there's for everything that you thought was cool. There's probably also like mirrored garbage.
Starting point is 01:13:28 Oh, yeah. Like, like, I think back to the, there's a TNG episode in which Beverly Crusher, the doctor goes back to visit her Nana and her Nana passes away. And then her Nana's Irish sex ghost latches on to Beverly. And she just throw adjectives on the word ghost. Well, they get Willie. It is an Irish sex ghost. You don't know.
Starting point is 01:13:54 Okay. This sounds way too much like our flavor of terminology. I will show you the video that it's it's OK. OK. And she decides to quit her job to live with her Irish sex ghost and it starts sapping her life energy and all that. And then it gets her all wrapped up by the end of the episode. But then it's like, no, that happened. That that was a thing.
Starting point is 01:14:18 That's that wasn't like a fucking weird offshoot or like the book after episode six where Leia gets a fucking red lightsaber in honor of her dad, bullshit, right? That was prime time that aired on TV in season seven. There's no escaping it. There's one mystery that remains that I I keep hearing about. And I don't like it. I'm taking it back every time I see people talk about it.
Starting point is 01:14:47 All right. But and this is purely based on like sometimes you leave and walk back in and the situation is just not what it used to be. All right. You know, when you walk out of the party and then you come back and the party is different and it's it's way different. Things have gone in a different direction. There's a community gift available for this that you can go find. Yes. Back in my day, back in your day, when I said the word.
Starting point is 01:15:15 Ah, so Katan. Yeah, everyone goes. And I'm like, I know, right? Yeah, what a stupid piece of shit. Annoying thing to drop into the cannon. Right. How terrible is it that the most annoying character has another super annoying sidekick following him around? Yeah. And then now suddenly when I wasn't in my favorite, I turned around for one second and I look back
Starting point is 01:15:46 and everyone is like, she's a so Katan is so popular in Star Wars. Like that she was so terrible is so kind of turn around. I'm that's the one thing I'm like, what happened? So popular that as a result, Star Wars canonized the use of time travel just to unkill her. I don't even see. I didn't time travel in Star Wars is real and has been you. So you just dropped two facts that I didn't even know.
Starting point is 01:16:22 Yeah. Right. In that one sentence. Yeah. Because my whole thing is this this annoying Padawan kid is probably just going to bite it because everyone does because we got to get to a new hope eventually. And we can't get to a new hope if she's around, dude. Like, so how's that going to go down? And then and like this is like me watching her.
Starting point is 01:16:49 Let me fucking break it down for you. OK. Ah, Soka asked whatever fucking name. So Katan, whatever. She has her hero moment where she fights off fucking Darth Vader so the kids can get away. Wait, when is this? Clone Wars, I think or rebels. One of the fucking OK, OK, OK, it's like it's kind of shut up.
Starting point is 01:17:08 OK, but you're you're jumping into like I'm I'm I'm trying to say that when I walked into the movie theater, yeah, and watched the 3D Clone Wars movie, yeah, and I walked out. Yeah, the first thing I was complaining about. Yeah, how annoying that dumb kid. OK, sure. But in the rep in the is it rebel? What a what the fuck is it? Whatever in it like she has her fucking cool ass hero moment.
Starting point is 01:17:30 OK, so they do that they do the turnaround. They're going to stall Darth Vader. I I have if everyone turned around, there is clearly a turnaround. You're going to listen to this and the fucking that's not even what I'm trying to hear right now. I'm just trying to get everybody to confirm, right, that the first time she showed up, that shit was ass dog.
Starting point is 01:17:52 I don't even know. I didn't see that shit. OK, the first time she showed up, it was garbage. Like I get it that there's a turnaround, but just stay with me on this one. The first version, the little stupid kid. That shit was the most annoying garbage ever. I sure I don't know. Sure, I believe you. What? Yes, thank you. Every OK. All right, so she has her cool hero moment.
Starting point is 01:18:14 She's going to fight the Darth Vader so the kids can get away and the arena closes in and they go, no, don't. And then close in and you're like, well, Darth Vader's going to live. So, you know, she's fucking dead, right? Later when they're talking, oh, God, when they're in the time universe with the Force Gods and they're walking by all the moments that happened in the seasons past, they literally just walk by a vision of her fighting Darth Vader and about to die and they just jump through,
Starting point is 01:18:45 grab her and just jump back out. And Darth Vader is like, what? And you're like, we saved you. You're alive. The writers desperately regretted killing you off. So here we just we let the writer reached into the page and picked her up off the page and just moved her over. No, no timeline ramifications for that. Fuck that. Well, the temple gets blown up at the end.
Starting point is 01:19:13 So time travel is dead. So time travel was invented, used and killed within the span of, I think, one Star Wars Rebels episode, maybe a two parter just to undo this character's death. Star Wars is unlike any other franchise when it comes to making a character you like really lame. Yeah. And making a really lame character do something you like like. Darth Vader sucks. Darth Vader sucks. I like Darth Vader.
Starting point is 01:19:45 Did you watch the red letter media break down on fucking Darth Vader's suit? And how he's choking and like burnt leather rubber pork smell because it was fitted to his busted limbs wrong. I have never been more fucking upset when they pointed out that he had to fucking stop breathing for the element of surprise. Oh, it ain't fucking robot. I'm so mad because I fucking legit thought that moment was good. But he's just like, I'm going to hold my breath for 40 seconds.
Starting point is 01:20:21 No, no, no. Now, admittedly, I went going back to double check it. It's way faster than that. Yeah, I was still like it's super quick. Still though. It's not as bad as they said. Shut up. But the idea that he turned off his equipment for the element of surprise. Fuck me, man. I hate that. So that a cool camera shot could happen. And it worked. Oh, anyway. Yes. Anyway, that that Darth Vader is also massively overused
Starting point is 01:20:49 in all fucking expanding universe stuff, particularly the games because he's the coolest guy from the fucking like, you know what I mean, 70s to 80s that everyone was like, that's the villain. Like I have a sneak what a cool bad ass that actually redeems himself. I have a sneaking suspicion because with fall in order, I saw people complaining that there are way too many unwinnable boss fights in that game. And I'm like, I wonder who those could be against. In the timeline in between revenge of the Sith and a new hope.
Starting point is 01:21:24 Right. And it's like Darth Vader. You got to stop Darth Vader. Like, like if you like, I hate Darth Vader or Darth Vader sucks, like you're or you're an idiot because Darth Vader is right up there with other like film villains that are like, that's the bad guy. But holy shit, is it cool? Like the predator? Yeah. But yeah, but you didn't see the predator crying and begging for sex
Starting point is 01:21:47 and making sand analogies, but the problem is I'm talking about then, you know, I'm talking about in that four, five, six. Yeah. That history, that fucking affected pop culture. And then we were like, well, let's go back to sure what happened. Then yes, we unfortunately have to go into sand and getting everywhere. Please, Natalie, poor man, I'm young. I got a rat tail. That's hot, right? I mean, hot, hot takes fucking Anakin.
Starting point is 01:22:12 Anakin sucks. The lamest, whatever. The hottest Darth Vader is cool. But they're the same person, Willie. Are they? Yes, because no. But but but yes, no, because fucking what's his name? James Earl Jones says the word Padme. That character died. Also, though, big fat bubble head,
Starting point is 01:22:34 like squeezing like a toothpaste tube out of the top of his neck. Right. Versus Hayden Christensen. I hate it. Come on. Hey, it's Star Wars. Stores is great. Still cool. Laser swords are cool forever. That's where I'm at on Star Wars. Like we strip it all the way down.
Starting point is 01:22:54 Laser swords are cool forever. Yeah. Cool helmets are cool forever. Yeah. So Mando helmets, invader helmets. Yeah, that's cool. And even Kyler, the second sister has a really cool look in fall and order. All right. Revan helmets. Cool helmets are cool forever.
Starting point is 01:23:12 Yeah. All right. The force as an ability to game genie people, yeah, in life. It's just a level eight wizard, dude. Right. That's fun. Do can trips and shit. That's fun, because it's in space this time. Yeah, that's in space. That's fun.
Starting point is 01:23:36 X wings, X wings. And tie fighters locking their attack foils and tie fighters. That's cool. And tie advanced. Yeah. And the noise that the tie fighter makes when it goes past the camera. That's always cool. It's like a scream. That's always cool. Yeah. That's part racing is cool. Part racing is cool.
Starting point is 01:23:52 That part racing is cool. I think that's like a highlight. Not movie. It's a cool. It's going to be cool. Swoop racing is also cool. Yep. Ah, droids are cool. Draw. Yeah, robots.
Starting point is 01:24:03 Droids are cool. Who doesn't like a good role putting personality on the robots, making them autonomous. It's good. Fun races that have quirks to them. Yeah. Where you go, ah, you're like us, but you're different. Jizz music is cool.
Starting point is 01:24:20 No. Wally. No. The music's called jizz. No. You can't. You can't undo that. It's not cool.
Starting point is 01:24:28 The cantina music theme is jizz. That's not cool. Music in Star Wars is good. Yeah. But John Williams is cool. He's cool. Never can't take that away. See you live.
Starting point is 01:24:40 Yeah. Mix in, you know, mix in the imperial march with the ATST's are cool, you know? Not the big ones, but the little ones. Oh, you don't like ATST's? You don't like the ad-ats? No. I like ad-ats.
Starting point is 01:24:56 I think the ATSTs are way cooler. But like, I like ad-ats because the way they defeated them was like an interest. Yeah, it was because you play the Empire Strikes, the Empire, whatever. Shadows of the Empire? That game, yeah. Way before that.
Starting point is 01:25:10 And you did the loop thing. No, I always thought the wrap-around was red. Yeah, but it was more fun. It's a contrivance that's like a fun thing that they discover. And it's also like visually, here's why ad-ats are cool. Visually, they're imposing signs of dominance and empirical values reaching out
Starting point is 01:25:29 into the Democratic Republic of whatever, you know? The rebellion, yeah. I'm so excited for Rise of the Skywalker. I'm so excited. What if they turn it around? I want fucking Palpatine. You know what I want for Palpatine? So Palpatine's going to be in the movie.
Starting point is 01:25:49 What if they turn it around? I want to point, they canceled the D&D trilogy. And they apologized for Solo. And they knew that they took things too far. And they also heard that everyone fucking hated where it was going. So what if? Mike Stoklasa once said in a moment of wisdom
Starting point is 01:26:11 in his Plinkett voice, Mike Stoklasa said, he said, Palpatine's behind it all, as we all know. Now, the fact that decades later, yes, decades after the Plinkett review, we're now at the point where, yes, Palpatine was behind it all. I think the only way we can save this is if Palpatine does, is me, I'm evil, right? And he turns around, and he's like a fucking head
Starting point is 01:26:37 on a bunch of spider legs. Just the head. Why even spider leg it? Because I'm thinking of the guy from Wild Wild West. OK. No, I want a Futurama tube. Oh, like a glass tube. Glass tube.
Starting point is 01:26:53 Just a tube. And it just spins on. It's like a dinner plate, like a lazy Susan. It's just floating around. Yeah. And they have to carry it. No, you know what I want? I want him to fucking be just the head,
Starting point is 01:27:05 and he puts the lightsaber in his mouth, and he bites it, and he just flies around like a lost soul from Doom. No, but then, no, they put him inside of a body like Krang. I don't want that. That's too, let's, no. But it's a body made of lightsabers. OK. All right.
Starting point is 01:27:21 And they're all just lightning. It's just sweeping between them. And now it's all swinging at you. Now what? The new stuff. Your move, Jedi. The new trilogy is so safe and boring, man. Here's, and this is where, like, unless, you know,
Starting point is 01:27:39 there's nowhere else to go but this, right? Like, no matter what you thought of episode eight, I thought things. There was that moment where there was an idea. Yeah. An idea that could have been really cool. Turned it around. And it wouldn't fix everything, but it
Starting point is 01:28:07 would be so ballsy to just fly in the face of all expected convention and swerve. You're talking about the dark side shit, right? I'm talking about the back to back. Yeah. Oh, that. Yeah, OK. When the back to back happens and you're like, wait a minute.
Starting point is 01:28:29 Whoa, whoa, wait, what? Could just possibly go in a weird new direction? Where everybody says, fuck all of this? Because that would be so interesting. Even if what got us here has some bullshit. Hey, woolly. That could have been such. Rian Johnson wants to subvert your expectations in every way
Starting point is 01:28:50 other than the one way that would have been super radical. It's almost like something stopped it. It's almost like someone said, no, no, you are not allowed. Like we were going there. And then they're like, but then how are we going to do the toy sales? Dude, I just think the funniest thing. Like there's a lot to complain about episode eight. And I'm sure many people have made YouTube careers off of it.
Starting point is 01:29:15 But I think the funniest thing about that and is like the ending where they're like, yeah, we did it. We escaped. And they're like all hugging and cheering. And it's like 12 people. And it's like you just like we just had tens of thousands of our buddies die and Admiral Ackbar's fucking dead and everyone's dead and Luke is dead and everything's dead.
Starting point is 01:29:39 But we made it. We got out here on the Falcon. It's like, holy shit, leaning into the leaning into the gray is not a traditional storytelling move. And it's not something that if you're going by the book, you're supposed to do with a big ass, crazy franchise like this. Yeah. Right. So like having the balls to step in that direction would have been.
Starting point is 01:30:06 Oh, it would have been so interesting. Fascinating, because then you're stuck with like everyone, excuse me, everyone walks out of there obsessed with what that means as opposed to what just happened. Hey, Willie, I got a pro tip for you. And it reminds me of a certain young Keanu Reeves holding his hand up and stopping a sentinel in the real world. And you're like, but what?
Starting point is 01:30:37 And the discussion ignores everything about how bad what you just saw was because you're just going, what the fuck does that mean? Where is this going to go? It might be something wacky and interesting. It wasn't. But but it could have been. And that that takes balls. Hey, you want to you want to get super pissed off at Star Wars and really hate Star Wars based on the conversation you're having now.
Starting point is 01:31:07 Go play Kotor two. And get ready to be super mad at how fucking lame Star Wars is. Yeah, I know I'm going to. Because like Willie, there are fucking three Sif in fucking Kotor two. Yeah. And all of them are literally the coolest evil characters to ever exist in that franchise. Yeah. No, I've already put plans together to play that.
Starting point is 01:31:38 So. And I think back on like, you know, the speech that the villain gives you at the end. And I'm like that one batch of dialogue is so much more compelling than any of the shit we have talked about today. It would be really nice if a character in an actual store or Star Wars movie was able to talk to anyone and be like, no, the dark side actually has some perks that aren't just power and being evil.
Starting point is 01:32:14 So again, this is a conversation that could have happened after the thing I'm describing after the moment. You know, do you remember when we were playing Kotor one and we we learned the code of the Sith? Yeah. And yeah, through the force, my chains are broken. Yeah. And we were like, that's so awesome. Yeah. That's the best thing that's ever happened in Star Wars. You just flip it. Wouldn't that be great?
Starting point is 01:32:44 Yeah. No, because here's what happens, right? I mean, I like I can't take it to its fullest conclusion, but it gives you food for thought where you just go, let's strip apart this whole dogma on both sides and look at its pieces and examine each one and figure out who we are from there. You know, yeah. And like. I would, even if it fell on its face in terms of like casting, acting, events, even if the dots led to nonsense, right?
Starting point is 01:33:19 Like the idea to deconstruct your your lore in that way and also sort of. How do I put this? You know how like the time that something comes out in can be reflective of. Let me let me rephrase that. If you make a thing back then, then it's of that era. Yeah. And then when you make it today, you can revisit the same ideas but with the modern era. Yeah. And in some in a lot of cases, that makes it garbage.
Starting point is 01:33:53 Yeah. But this would have been one of those ways to go like, oh, we can make it interesting because like the concept of Sith and Jedi for the longest while have been what they are is so laughably binary. And we know it's the most pure, good and evil thing there's ever been. So the thought process of like somewhere in the canon, taking, taking the time to think about that stuff. Like there's an hour fucking floor. There's an hour or two.
Starting point is 01:34:18 But I'm putting a whole bunch of shit. Well, it doesn't. You're dead on because like an hour or two into Kotor, two like the like the first person you talk to, they say, oh, are you involved in the Jedi Civil War? And you go, what? You mean like Revan's like evil war on the Republic? And he goes, yeah, it's it was Jedi fighting Jedi. And you're like, but he they were evil.
Starting point is 01:34:42 And he's like, no one cares. Yeah. Yeah. But about like your light side, dark side fucking shit. You're all just laser wizards. And there's always like, you know, someone who comes along and says, like you're putting way too much into this dumb thing for children. And to that person, I say, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.
Starting point is 01:35:03 However, the fact that they're skating so close to something that I think might be interesting makes me want to talk about that possibility. I mean, like Star Wars, by the end of its life, as the even the original trilogy was just like a toy vehicle. Like that's why you walks exist. Of course. But like the Gundam's a toy vehicle. And that doesn't special is the truest incarnation of Lucas's vision.
Starting point is 01:35:29 But like Gundam's a toy vehicle. And even though they keep showing you how that fucking transformation works every single episode, they still have they still talk about like, you know, war and the future of humanity in space and shit like that. And that came right around Samara even. Yeah. And then they shoot that bitch's head off with a rocket launcher. You can you can you can sell toys and scar children at the same time. Fuck them.
Starting point is 01:35:54 We can kill guilty children. If they're guilty. Yeah. We shouldn't kill children. But what about guilty children? Oh, they're good to go. I should watch our pleasure. Or, you know, you know, like children of the corn. Yeah, like I've never seen it.
Starting point is 01:36:13 But like that I assume the end of that is somebody just shoots them. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like the premise of like these spooky children fucking around with you. And I'm just like, OK, but eventually someone just beats their asses. Right. It runs up and hit some of the pitchforks of them. Right. At the point where you're like, OK, you got to go and you you're no longer like a child.
Starting point is 01:36:31 You're just like you're an instrument of evil that needs to be destroyed. Then you're like, oh, hey, cool. Pretty lucky to know that you're half the size of a regular human so that you can get destroyed that much easier, because there's a point where you just write it off. I hope that's where that goes. You know what? My favorite part about talking about this is that when you talk shit about
Starting point is 01:36:52 Star Wars or any long running thing, you always see the people trying to defend it and do it really badly. So I'm going to pick out my favorite quote of the day. Quote, Star Wars is for children, but Anakin slaughtered children in both episode two and three. That's factually incorrect. Anakin never killed one children. What Anakin did was kill younglings.
Starting point is 01:37:17 Why younglings so that you can get around from saying the words killed children in your children's film? You think that's why? I absolutely I think that's contrivance. I think that younglings is such an awkward phrase. I can only but it's but it's but it's no, but it's in the same way that the parlance of the rest of the universe. And he walks into the room, not because in episode two,
Starting point is 01:37:44 when he kills the sand people, he says, and I killed all of them, even the children, even the children. Yeah, but like our isn't youngling something to do with like how Obi-Wan talks about like Padawans and stuff. Isn't that just like Jedi parlance? I don't think so. I really don't. But it also how much of that is the language going to affect the idea
Starting point is 01:38:04 when there's a shot of a lightsaber turning on in front of a child? I don't know. Like it's not going to do much and then a pan of a bunch of dead kids. I am not buying it. I don't know. That was my favorite part. But it is it is very clear that that does occur. And up until that point, you do have the first version of it where you do get.
Starting point is 01:38:26 Yeah, he's riding the motorcycle and then you're like, I'm going to cut these. But they were the bad ones, though. They're the bad ones. They weren't human. They were the they were the evil ones. Yeah, I kill them. They don't we later find out they're of a noble pre. Republic race.
Starting point is 01:38:42 Oh, yeah, the sand people remember? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like a fucking history dating back to millions of years. Shouldn't I shouldn't I shouldn't I kidnapped his mom? So what happens? Stores is the worst. Oh, shout out to that thread that was like. Awesome posters for bad movies.
Starting point is 01:39:06 Yeah, and it showed you the episode one poster where it's really good. Baby baby Anakin's walking and he's got the shadow on the dark fader shadow. It's good. You're like, oh, wow. Little did we know. Yeah, anyway, give the man to a click. I'll give Mando a clip. Maybe I see. I see how you feel. Yeah, maybe.
Starting point is 01:39:28 How's your stuff? Uh, I played like 99 percent of my week was playing Death Stranding. I played a shitload of Death Stranding. I also I am also finishing up Outer Worlds and I have to say. Outer Worlds is one of those games that is astonishingly front loaded in quality. Oh, I would call it a good ass eight out of ten overall. I asked you if you hit the point when you were talking where
Starting point is 01:40:03 the front the beginning like showoff missions go away and you just hit the list. Yeah, you know, that doesn't happen. That's not the way the game functions. OK, but it's all about corporate stopia. All the humor and all the storylines about corporate stopia. And the problem is, is that the first planet, Emerald Veil, the first zone has by far the best and most interesting writing in the game. And then the second area has the second best writing.
Starting point is 01:40:32 And then the third area has the third best. And by the time you're near the end of the game, you're like, yeah, I get it. The corporations are stupid. The one exception. Is a incredible quest in which somebody asks you to go pick up their package from the UPS store only for you to show up and they said, well, it's out for delivery. Only for you to sprint down the street and to find a we tried to deliver your order tag and like go through that fucking process.
Starting point is 01:41:06 That's hilarious. It's a really it's really good. That's a really good premise. But it just like it gets just the scenarios just get weaker and weaker. Also, the game is very poorly balanced in that you become laughably overpowered very quickly and changing difficulties does not fix it. OK, how many hours did it take you to catch onto all of this? It's very gradual.
Starting point is 01:41:31 It's very, very gradual. So the game is only about 30 long. So at about halfway through, you start to realize that, well, that that planet was a little weaker than the last one, right? And it's it's like each one is like five percent weaker than the last one, right? But then you get to the the the the third or you get to monarch, which is the where you spend like the back half of the game. And it's just like, yeah, I get it.
Starting point is 01:41:58 It's, you know, the theme is about corporate dystopia. And it turns out that's too narrow. New Vegas, as the example everybody uses, had a wide variety of different themes. Pillars even had it's about souls, but also had stuff about society and stuff like that. It's it's too narrow. And ironically enough, just like pillars, I feel like this game's problem is it plays it too safe a lot of the time.
Starting point is 01:42:32 It's not weird enough. Now, the opening lines you used and scenarios you described were immensely effective at conveying the world and at convincing people to be like, yo, I'm going to go check this game out. Yeah. And that's the best stuff in the game. The best stuff in the game is the first 10 hours. This is something that no amount of time will make go away when it comes to video game development.
Starting point is 01:43:05 I feel like the modern day like process lends itself towards concept front loaded and then final area being full of magic and gravitas and what if they're going for like the final questions and wonder the final area should be and usually is the complete opposite of everything else in the game up to that point. Yeah. If it's if you've been in a super clean environment, this is all gross or vice versa or super gross environment.
Starting point is 01:43:38 This is all clean and it's massive in scale and it is cinematic, right? And how you build up to your your final encounter and such. So that kind of, you know, almost like writes itself into being like, well, this is the conclusion of this plot. Therefore you're tying up loose ends. But usually the area right before that or, you know what this is, Willie, the previous two have this down sink again,
Starting point is 01:44:08 where there's like not a ton of plot threads to really keep you going. And in some cases, like the games formula, like I was talking about with Death Stranding, even has to just carry you when there's nothing else that you care about happening. You played the Persona 5. I did play Persona 5. You remember how incredible the first dungeon was and how the second one was slightly less incredible, but it had an amazing visual motif.
Starting point is 01:44:36 Yeah. But the third one was a little weaker. And then the Okumara Foods one was weak as fuck. Right. It's it's doing that. Yeah. There's moments of brilliance in the middle. But like the core concept and the setup was the strongest at the very beginning. Yes. Because not and not and it's mainly in those cases. It's because like, well, the the wrongs that you're writing
Starting point is 01:45:01 are not anywhere near as egregious. Yeah. Right. You're not fighting against the same caliber of villain. Yeah. In in Outer Worlds's case, I actually have like a slightly better inkling of what was going on, because I did not know this was how the game was made. I had one of the writers for the game.
Starting point is 01:45:25 It's actually a guy who watches my streams. And I was like, hey, glad to see you're enjoying it. Cool. I wrote everything for the first plan of the first area. And I'm like, oh, that's why it's like that, because different writers tackle different zones. And the problem is they gave this guy and I forget your name. I'm sorry, but I'll go check it out. The first zone because you got to knock it out of the park.
Starting point is 01:45:50 It's the setup and he should have written the whole game. Because it's way better. Just as simple as that. Now, you know what game is not like this is fucking Death Stranding. Because Death Stranding is a climb in terms of quality. Like the farther you go, the better that game becomes. Fascinating. That's very unusual, especially in these long, large games.
Starting point is 01:46:22 By the way, I spoke to you earlier right before the podcast about where you're at. You got to fucking drill down because that's a big fucking game. That's a big boy. Yeah, it like it's it's the it's the circumstances of what's happening in my life at the moment. Um, it goes from hiking to a letter, right?
Starting point is 01:46:47 And it goes from planning your trip to planning the area to like optimizing the area. And it is it has a really clear fucking gameplay loop of force you to deal with hardship on your first hike. And it's tough, right? And then as soon as you get that network up, then other people's ladders and stuff
Starting point is 01:47:13 and they'll help you out, right? And you're like, oh, thanks to the people. So it eases it out. And then you go, maybe I'll add a little thing here or there to make it a little easier for other people, right? And this eventually escalates to why don't I just build things and place things so that the trip between these two points becomes deleted? And the trip between these points is functionally instantaneous.
Starting point is 01:47:36 So I've been talking to Min as well, who's been insane spending his time. Yeah, I saw what he did. Yeah, there's that this crazy shit like that. And there's also clear indicators that like what you're describing does not necessarily have to be the path. That is the path that you might take if you want to handle the game in that way. But he also said you're very fine just playing through as is and relying on others for their help.
Starting point is 01:48:03 Yes. And that's OK. So I'm like, I'm think that you're describing is based on your. I'm going to compulses. Flatly disagree with Min here, one, because he's wrong and he fucking built that road before doing anything in that chapter like an insane person and spent longer building that road than I have with the entire game, including building that entire road because he didn't get any of the upgrades.
Starting point is 01:48:31 But I will also take a direct quote from one Ludwig four cell. Oh, about the zip lines and stuff. The audio director. Yeah, that's yeah, that's the that's the who I who has been watching my streams and who says, quote, I've been watching your streams. And I think you play the game the most perfect way Hideo would be proud. Cool. So yeah, I disagree with Min. You are totally supposed to build up infrastructure.
Starting point is 01:49:04 You're supposed to do it that way. And you are supposed to delete these trips using zip lines and roads and ladders. You are reconnecting America and your work will transfer over into other people's games. But what if you don't then it'll be harder for you considerably. There are trips in the mountains that I literally can't believe people are stupid enough to make the trip 10 times on foot before building a zip line or a bridge or something. OK, OK, I'll see when I get so like for a woolly,
Starting point is 01:49:39 I know that you you aren't the type of person to grind up shit. For example, no, I'm not. That's not true. I'll grind when it's necessary. In this case, though, I am curious because that was a point that was that like he pointed out. But obviously, I'm not there yet. So I don't know. You get to a point in what you're dealing with a lot of mountain passes. OK, and you can either trudge your fucking ass up the
Starting point is 01:50:02 straight side of the fucking mountain every time you've got to get to the mountain here or you can place like two or three zip lines that just zoop, zip from little peaks to little peaks. And then that trip that took you 40 minutes the first time takes you 90 seconds. And you go nailed it, great, done. And pieces of that will zoom into other people's worlds and you will help them and you will drown in likes and that will give you oxytocin, which makes you happy when you get the likes, not oxy not oxycodone.
Starting point is 01:50:33 No, oxycontin is the drug that you take to give you oxytocin. OK, oxytocin is the natural chemical in your brain. That being said, when you deliver drugs in Death Stranding, you were delivering oxytocin based drugs. I imagine the reason it's not called oxycontin is because oxycontin is a trademarked drug name. Uh, it's interesting that for all the Death Stranding time you've been spending and for all the talk about this stuff, you're simply still referring
Starting point is 01:51:04 to navigation and travel and are not at all talking about what the fuck is going on. Have you started to I would say that I'm about 70 percent through the game right now. And it follows a very clear. Kojima series of devices. Meet character, character set up, character established, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, all the all the names, all the other chapters are named after characters, right? That you'll deal with that character. And at the end of that chapter, that character will look at you and be like.
Starting point is 01:51:45 So this is why I'm part of the BNB core and explain to you their life story. And why and how the Death Stranding affected them and why it's a big deal. Like, for example, I'm on chapter. The next chapter I think I have is Heartman, for example, and I'm going to go hang out with Heartman, right? And it is a lot dump, man. It is very BNB core. Like it is like story tell man. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 01:52:18 It is like hilarious because many of the concepts and revelations that you talk to these people about have literally never come up once ever. And they're like, did you know that this and I'm like, what? That's a thing in this universe? I mean, at the end of the day, I guess all I'm kind of wondering is like, OK, if that's the devices we're using, are these devices completing the fog of war? Oh, yeah, yeah, you're the big fog of war.
Starting point is 01:52:49 But in terms of plot, no, no, no, I mean, in terms of what's happening. So the first 60 percent of the game is just more and more and more questions. More things keep happening and Sam or you go, huh, what? And people go, I don't know, man, shit's crazy. And I did a I did I met a prepper called the spiritualist. And the spiritualist gave me the first detail in the game as to, huh, that's interesting. That's maybe what this game is.
Starting point is 01:53:30 What's really going on here, right? And I have a sneaking suspicion that I will I am now on the path to go talk to Heartman and Heartman will tell me what is going on with the deal. The explanation of the plots, revelations for the plot and not the characters is all back loaded. I have spoken with Susie, I've spoken to other people. The game turns into like an explosion and almost MGS four level amount of cutscenes, the closer you get to the end,
Starting point is 01:54:03 where there are cutscenes that are like an hour. You know, and it's just like the message has to come. The message is time. You had the questions, you reconnected America. It's time for the message. Yeah, OK. It's time for the theme. OK.
Starting point is 01:54:22 I mean, that game's great. There is combat. I would love to see at the end of I don't know, whenever this cycle ends and people get used to things. So maybe a year from now, what the percentage is on those cheevo's to see the percentage of people that get to all those cutscenes is it's still going to be like, I don't know, five percent. Well, I mean, compared to an average game, you mean.
Starting point is 01:54:47 Yeah. Will it will it be like the average or will it be higher? Games really interesting in terms of length, because I feel like you can do it two ways. You can do it the the the building way or the hard way and whichever you pick, you're probably going to get the same length of time because I have built so much shit that now like I had a situation happen in which I just had a lot of materials.
Starting point is 01:55:16 So I'm like, I just build the next five stretches of road. I just do it, right, which is like two kilometers worth of road, right? And that's where that stupid build road builds. Roadman meme came from because I blew like four hours on my stream just building roads. And then I got the next mission, like story plot thing. And that was make a trek through dangerous terrain and over mountains and through this mule camp to this location.
Starting point is 01:55:43 And I'm like, I literally drove there on the highway that I made. It took me like a minute. So and like the mountain stuff, it's like, you're going to have to go up and down those mountains a bunch. You can either do it the long way every time or you can build a little network so that the next time you have to do it. It's like, yeah, whatever.
Starting point is 01:56:07 It takes a while to. Yeah. So either you're going to bust your ass climbing up there or you're going to bust your ass building a network so that's so you don't have to climb up there again. Are you literally at a point working with a camera zoomed out like Sim City? No, no, no, no, OK, you're still on foot doing the thing. There is one thing the game desperately needs.
Starting point is 01:56:27 And that is the ability to filter the amount of you know how you look at the map and the light green structures or other people's the blue ones are yours. Yeah. You need the ability to turn other people's off when you look at the map because. You end up with a map just drowning in items and you need to be able to look at like, no, what did I build and what do I want to delete so that I can build something else somewhere else?
Starting point is 01:56:57 Like that is a big feature that needs to happen. And like I said before, there I have discovered that the game does have combat. It is very rare. It is not emphasized. I mean, when meals fuck with you, you're in combat, aren't you? Yeah, but like what I mean is like you pick up a gun and start shooting like that exists. And there are there is depth to the combat with your blood grenades
Starting point is 01:57:24 and your guns and stuff like that with BTs and stuff like that. Like you actually get a melee attack for BTs. Yeah, which is what? Yeah, I didn't. A couple of things I definitely was not understanding about about the process, but I didn't know that standing still. Yeah, so neither did I. And then I was still by accident once.
Starting point is 01:57:48 And then all the BTs around me materialized like, oh, that's how you fuck me. Yeah, that's how you're supposed to figure it out. Yeah. And once you figure that out, it's like, oh, well, it's he's there is there. Yeah, I'll just go this way now. I mean, but whenever I've seen them, at least in that first cutscene, when when you saw them, like they weren't moving. They were just floating.
Starting point is 01:58:06 Yeah, they move a little, just a little. Well, that's when they're chasing you. Well, when they're chasing you, they move. But when they're stationary, they move a little. They kind of float around. Yeah. OK. Yeah. And the other thing I didn't know was that Cairo was a Latin term for hand.
Starting point is 01:58:29 Willie, I want to tell you a little story. I don't know if I told the story, but Cairo is Greek for hand. Oh, excuse me. And it is a big deal. And it also is supposed to represent things that cannot be interspersed, intersposed on each other, right? So if you put your hands together like a clap with your thumbs touching and all your fingers touching, that's, you know, symmetrical, right?
Starting point is 01:58:56 But no, you got to look at my hands on this one. I can see that if you put the palm of your left hand on top of your right hand, right, they kind of fit, right? But your thumb stick out, right? That's Cairo. It can't be interspaced. So I get I use that explanation to talk to Page the night that Cairo came up in the game only to get a goddamn interview unlocked the next day
Starting point is 01:59:24 that uses that exact analogy of placing your hands on top of one of each other. OK, so, Willie, you know how we made jokes about themes? Yes, it's actually relevant. Willie, hands, the shape of a human hand is actually the most overwhelmingly ever present theme in the game. When BTs walk around, it's hands. When BTs leave their crystals on the floor, it looks like hands. When void outs happen, there's a big hand.
Starting point is 02:00:04 The Odra deck, I don't know if you've noticed, but when you get out of BT areas, it gives you a thumbs up or waves because it's a hand. And you know how you reconnect with people? You clasp hands. And you know what your symbol of the thing with the people is? It's hand cuffs. And you know what hand rhymes with? Strand.
Starting point is 02:00:35 Hand's a cross America. Games incredible. I completely understand why people hate it. I think it's the only game I've ever played that I feel this way. I was talking to somebody the other day and they're like, my brother says this game sucks. I'm like, yeah. Probably.
Starting point is 02:00:58 OK. Your brother's not wrong. I think the game's incredible. I don't know how much, but yeah, it sucks. You can tell on the on the outset who this is for and who this is not, especially when you're very have very detailed strategies and descriptions of how to rebuild those roads and zip lines. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:19 That's for that's for some people. That's not for others. Well, I mean, like, hey, how pissed off do you get when you're dry? When you're trucking, OK, woolly, you're trucking, right? You got your truck. And that truck is filled with 4,000 metal and 3,000 ceramics and you got it. You got to get you got to go like 10 kilometers.
Starting point is 02:01:40 You're trucking, right? You go off road for a second. I'm trucking because you I mean, there's no more road. That's why you're doing this, right? You got to build some road off road. So you're trucking, right? Trucking, but you've been trucking for so long. So long that your truck's battery is almost dead, right?
Starting point is 02:01:55 And you're like, I think I can jump that fucking. I think I can jump that fucking that river, that tiny little river, man. Hell, yeah, I think I can truck it and then you fuck up and then your truck falls in the river and then the battery dies and your truck stalls out. Shit. And you're like, fuck, I was trucking. And now I ain't trucking no more. All those resources.
Starting point is 02:02:17 And then Norman Reedus goes, oh, fuck this. Yeah. And you're like, fuck, yeah. Yeah. And then you're like, wait, if I'd use my PCC to build a generator right next to the river, it could juice this thing's battery up so I'm trucking and then you truck some more and then you get there and you dump the fucking materials into that road. And then that road goes right over that river that you just fucking fell into. And you're like, yeah, now the next time I'm out here, no river,
Starting point is 02:02:50 no worry about the rain or BT is just trucking. Yeah. And if that makes you feel like, yeah, trucking, then yeah. But if it doesn't, you fuck. I could I could I could definitely experience joy in that. And once I get there, depending on how it goes, I have to see how it goes. But I will say this on the plus side, I have done more mundane things to find out the ending of a story.
Starting point is 02:03:19 Yeah. What's what's the worst one? I mean, I'm playing nuns right now. Hey, well, yeah, like I will I've done like like I've played walking simulators. I've done yeah, I've I've played through Gone Home. I've played through, you know, what should I call it? I've done the Triforce quests. I've done, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:03:42 Like, yeah, you know what? I'll do stuff to get to the end of the story. You know what? I think the game's biggest success is I mean, I did that little story there. But every hour or so that I played that game, I got some kind of upgrade that would make trucking just a little bit easier. Mm hmm. You know, I got like, hey, man,
Starting point is 02:04:06 here's a climbing rope that's way more durable and has six uses. Yeah. And I noticed that each of these conversations swerves harder and harder away from the story and more and more towards trucking. There's a lot of trucking, man. And I you you chapter three, you're enjoying it. Chapter three to let's say ten might as well. Like they're called Fragile and Mama and Dead Man. You know, should just be one big chapter called trucking.
Starting point is 02:04:36 But it's not and like if you were just trying to avoid spoilers, like this would be a different type of conversation because I know how you get when those things happen. I don't I don't think I but it's not this is not that this is you genuinely like, yeah, the story is there. It's there. But more importantly, yeah, I do lines, roads and trucking more importantly than that, Willie, if I need to get from the windfall time for the timefall farm to deliver some beer
Starting point is 02:05:03 to fucking Lake Knot, I don't have to even get in a truck anymore. I can just zip line it. OK. And do you remember us watching that trailer when at the game awards? Yeah. And how we were staring at God knows what going. What what is this? What? Yeah. Like the lack of that feeling in you is very confusing. No, I'm so let me tell you this. All of that is going to be somewhat clear by the trip into chapter three.
Starting point is 02:05:38 Yeah. Then the plot will then become what exactly is the nature of the Death Stranding, which is the long question. Yeah. And but underneath that is the physical journey path. Because so it goes philosophical weirdness, the practical concern of 90 percent of the game. And then when I finish that trip, I will go back to the philosophical weird because I feel I feel like visually I am over encumbered,
Starting point is 02:06:11 rucking down a mountain side, rucking, sweating, sweating, dirty, bloody feet, filled to bursting with piss. Yeah. Trying to reach that answer floating in the in the distance. Yeah. Visually indicated by Kojima's smile. There's a lot feeding into the horizon. There's a lot of breadcrumbing here.
Starting point is 02:06:35 There's a lot of bread, whereas you have loaded up your big rig. You put on your big hat and you went, really? Did you not get your big hat? And you did you not get it yet? No, you get a big old trucking hat. And I feel like we're trucking very comfortably, just rolling down the road, letting the open highway make its way to you. And if some sort of events were to happen, eventually,
Starting point is 02:07:01 it's a long point along the lines. Then that's the way the rule. So I disagree with that. And the reason why is because the primary theme of like chapters one through wherever I'm at are reconnect America. And the gameplay is literally reconnect these locations. OK. And it is talking to people and being them be like, dude,
Starting point is 02:07:24 it is such a big deal that we can now talk to you. I'm like, they're like, my baby would have fucking died without these antibiotics. Well, you know what you got to do now? What's that? You got to go back and listen to Convoy and see if that song has a new meaning for you. I do have one thing to tell you, woolly. I took a look at I just skimmed around at a random in one of the woolly versus destraining episodes upon your delivery of some items.
Starting point is 02:07:52 And they were like, I don't know, man, this shit seems kind of banged up. And you were like, I swear to God, if this is going to be the kind of game where I'm fucking hauling my ass over a mountain only for some motherfucker to tell me that it's a little banged up and piss on me that we're going to have a problem, you're going to have a fucking problem, woolly. You're going to have some fucking problems. OK, because that that's the truck in life right there. So you fucking trudged your ass through
Starting point is 02:08:22 terrorists and ghosts and mountains to deliver high performance, to deliver 117 kilos of high performance underwear. And you get there and the box is a little scuffed and they're like, the fuck is this? The fuck is this bullshit? Can't believe it. B. OK, we got it. Bodes well.
Starting point is 02:08:56 It needs to be a button for Sam to go, you motherfucker. I had to go. I had to piss on ghosts to get you your high performance underwear. Do you even care? Do you get less likes? Of course you do. Of course you do. Well, you know, the stars that build up on the places you go to when you deliver something, those are contingent on your
Starting point is 02:09:21 likes, not even your ranking, because the ranking creates likes and the likes create stars. And do you know what you get when you hit rank five for the person? You get a tiny little star that Sam can pin to his pant leg. And you know why that is? Because Sam has blue and red stripes going down the arms of his jacket. And if you five star everyone, you will have a row of stars on your pant leg.
Starting point is 02:09:54 There you go. The Sam will become the living embodiment of the United American flag. Yep. All together. Reconnecting miracle. American. Yeah. And it's like, holy shit, are you fucking serious? I'm just wild and out a little bit because I guess my head, I didn't know what to expect, so I almost expected nothing. But I definitely would not have expected the
Starting point is 02:10:16 the progression of events to go towards like your optimal way. OK, in everything, the optimal way of dealing with the problem is to not deal with it. Yeah, it's to delete the problem. But I thought there was going to be at least a build up of like, here are the things that you will use to fight the ghosts. There totally is. Yeah, there's grenades, right?
Starting point is 02:10:39 There are like a dozen anti-ghost weapons. OK, there are a lot. OK, you gain many, many ways. Anti-ghost problem. You get you get four different types of grenades. OK, you get a straight up gun. OK, a different gun for a second. The guns are for the ghosts.
Starting point is 02:10:58 A knife. The guns are not for the people. They're both. OK, because I thought that, like, for a second, you were describing things that were like, get better at running from the go. No, you you can you can get an assault, a non-lethal assault rifle that will fire rubber bullets. Just play the game. Obviously, we're having a conversation.
Starting point is 02:11:16 You can get a non-lethal assault rifle that will fire either rubber. Questions. Yes. Or blood bullets. Right. And if you throw a blood grenade at a B.T. And, you know, that blood cloud, right? And you shoot through that cloud with the blood bullets, the blood bullets do double damage, right?
Starting point is 02:11:37 The B.T.s are such a non-issue for me at the current point in the game that I every time I encounter them, I allow myself to get caught so that I can kill the boss and pick up crystals because I am fucking these things up. You know, it occurs to me that the answers to everything I'm wondering lie ahead with me just playing the game. So let's just stop the conversation. All right, let's stop the conversation. All right.
Starting point is 02:12:03 All right, let's stop talking about the game. Let's just stop talking about it. We're not going to talk about my answer like we have an audience. All I have to do is play the game. And I'll find a fucking game, man. So let's just end it. OK, game. Pull it out. Games. Game's good.
Starting point is 02:12:15 It's really good. It's terrible. Let's do the news. But it up, but it's news. Hey, Stadia sucks. That's the news. I mean, for which reasons, it's killing people's Chromecasts. That's the place to start. This one comes to us from CNN.
Starting point is 02:12:47 Not a tech website, not some guy's blog. CNN reports some Google users. Oh, God, what an awful website. Fuck off. See, some Google Stadia users, customers say that their Chromecasts are overheating. Apparently, someone said on Reddit, I was in the middle of a fight in Destiny 2,
Starting point is 02:13:13 when suddenly my Chromecast died and lost connectivity to the network. I went to unplug it from the power and it was extremely hot. Someone else said mine has overheated and shut off twice now. So I went to that Reddit thread. That Reddit thread might be the perfect encapsulation of a company trying to go shna, man, because the guy says I was playing Destiny, right, and it shut off and he couldn't turn it off without unplugging it, right?
Starting point is 02:13:41 So it was it was fucking hot, right? And he's like, I don't know, man, is this a problem? Other people are happening. Reply number one is a Google employee Stadia account going, we extensively tested the Stadia in all sorts of conditions and determine that it has no significant chance of overheating your Chromecast. Please contact customer support at yada, yada to see if there is something wrong with your unit during normal usage.
Starting point is 02:14:09 The surface of the device may get warm to the touch. This is working as designed using your Chromecast to stream Stadia games is very similar to using it to stream TV shows and movies. Right. Followed to, I would say, reply to that Google post was like a hundred people going, yeah, no, mine totally did the same thing yesterday. Yeah, it shut off like 10 times. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with it.
Starting point is 02:14:30 Well, the most shocking thing about that is that hundreds of people are applying, implying that hundreds of people purchased it. Well, I have I have a piece of data on that for later. But just the whole thread, just tons and tons of people. It's all breakdown today on tips on how to keep your Stadia from overheating, which is crack open the device and leave it open and then slap two extra heat sinks on it. Oh my God. That'll solve it.
Starting point is 02:14:58 The little fucking piece of plastic. Yeah, just crack it open, put some heat sinks on it. So Stadia is overheating because, you know, it's just it's it's taken. It's a lot of juice. It's only very similar to streaming video. But yeah, it's overheating people's things. I just spoke with a friend of mine who works a lot in game development and just he started laughing his ass off and goes, yeah, we tested it in the
Starting point is 02:15:23 cooled test room, not in Jimbo's overheated fucking TV entertainment system with the glass closed. I have a Chromecast on a hooked up to a monitor that's inside of a closed closet. Yeah, that the TV fits inside of because that's where that is made. And it's a little USB dongle. You don't have to think about it. No, you do have to think about the ventilation going to my dongle. That's right.
Starting point is 02:15:52 Unless you check the ad earlier in the podcast. There we go. But. OK, so the things are overheating. This is no. Well, do you know why they're overheating? Because despite stadious promises of 4K 60 FPS game play that are rock solid, it might not be able to hit those numbers that performance.
Starting point is 02:16:18 Whose fault is that? The developers. That's right. It is the developers fault. Sorry, it took me a second. Yes, I was I was about to say Google, but no, that that's silly. No, it is it is bungee and Capcom and SNK. Sorry, I didn't really because.
Starting point is 02:16:36 OK, you see, you very I very hurriedly definitely moved into the second story. It's all one big mega story in my mind because the second story is that. Fucking unbelievable. They promised performance. I believe it was 4K for everyone, 60 for everyone at like 200 megabits per second or some shit, like very reasonable internet speeds. And that's not happening. Hell, no, it's not.
Starting point is 02:17:04 And Google's response has been that they didn't lie about anything. No, man, we designed Stadia to enable 4K 60 with appropriate TVs and bandwidth. We want all games to play it. But sometimes for artistic reasons, a game is 4K 30. So Stadia always streams at 4K 60 via two times in code. And then the later description where Destiny 2 was brought up as not at all running at 4K, but in fact, running at 1080p upscaled. Yeah, essentially, they say we give the developers all the tools they need to make
Starting point is 02:17:43 it do the thing, so it's on them to make it do the thing. Yeah, the developers fault that the game runs bad. The weird part for me was when I was looking at like like Sam's show footage and some other that Sam's show footage is unbelievable because you're looking at multiplayer games and the core idea here is not even like the delivery of the video to your TV, it's the fact that there's lag happening in a Google server to Google server match. Yeah, that is not the delivery of the video to your screen.
Starting point is 02:18:16 It's the match itself. Yeah, which is like what the fuck. And it's like the devices are within what, 30 feet from one another? One would imagine if not, shouldn't they be part of the same local hub? Aren't they technically the same device? If you own a stadium, please do not have it anywhere that is flammable. This the Stadia match of Sam's show that within five seconds crashes to a web browser is the most incredible thing.
Starting point is 02:18:49 Do not hold your Stadia Grand Finals tournaments on bales of hay in the in a dry wind plane. You know, perhaps nowhere near a mushroom field. Don't do it. So the piece, the info data I have for you, Willie, and this data is two days old, so it might be slightly higher. The app that you need to download to buy Stadia games, the Google Stadia app on your phone, which I only recently found out.
Starting point is 02:19:24 You know, it only works with Pixel phones. You could only use the app only work on Pixel phones to buy games. Yes. So there have been multiple reviews. Like I saw like John Baum and another guy. I think his name is Tech Jesus. I forget. I forget his channel name in which they described like being literally unable to turn the fucking thing on because they had to find somebody in their office at a pixel.
Starting point is 02:19:46 So wait, like I have a Chromecast. Do you have a pixel? Steph does. Lucky you. You can't. No, no. Come on. Yes. That would be a bigger story. It'd be a bigger story. That seems insane. It'd be a bigger story if people cared.
Starting point is 02:20:07 That seems that seems well to Chris. That app has been downloaded one hundred and seventy seven thousand times, which means the current which it's kind of crazy because you never get like accurate console sale data. Yeah. The absolute maximum amount of Stadia owners right now is one hundred and seventy seven K. Yeah. Which is bad or it's more,
Starting point is 02:20:34 but they don't actually have the ability to activate the consoles. So they don't bother. That's bad. That's really bad. That's a big old flop. I also found it hilarious. I saw it by Image Macro. I didn't I didn't, you know, I knew it, but I never put it together.
Starting point is 02:20:52 Phil Harrison is behind this launch, right? Yeah, you know, Phil Harrison. He worked at Sony and he's worked at Microsoft. Yeah. Do you remember what product launches he was responsible for? It was an Xbox original. Nope, it was the Xbox one. OK, you know what console he was responsible for helping launch at Sony? The PS3.
Starting point is 02:21:16 Dude's just a good luck charm, any. He's got a resume. He sure does. I know how to launch a product badly. Yeah, well, I would like to it's three for three. Those are the three worst launches of products in this space over the past ten years. Direct everyone's attention to some fun stuff on Twitter.
Starting point is 02:21:43 Oh, yes. Oh, oh, yes. Although you are one of the only people in the world following that account. I don't know if it's fake. I like after last week, I was like, could this just be sprung up as a part of the defense squad that I'm sure I said could easily come into existence? And then it connects to Reddit posts. And then those Reddit posts start to sound very sad. And then you go, oh, no.
Starting point is 02:22:12 Oh, this might be someone having a hard time. This might be real. This might be someone having a hard time in life. What Twitter account are you referring to? I'm talking about at Stadia works at Stadia works. I just joined on the 753rd follower. All right. Um, posting the dankest memes.
Starting point is 02:22:33 The fucking dankest Stadia memes available, like straight from the fucking from the Kush Bush is my favorite tweet of it. So far, I find it so funny that the only people having issues with Stadia are the YouTubers that have been hating on it since day one. And you know what people I'm talking about at IGN at Rerez TV and Adream Casca, I didn't we this coming? Now, it's important to catch the theming there because there is there's there was an earlier established point on the bio of the account.
Starting point is 02:23:06 Yes, if you would. Yes. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Stadia works. Don't believe the haters. So haters becomes a recurring theme. Also, photos of the same meme of Stop Having Fun. Well, all people are staring at the Stadia logo, not a game, granted. The Stadia logo as ostensibly the game fails to love.
Starting point is 02:23:30 Yeah, I'm calling. I'm calling work. YouTubers said it was bad. Stop having fun. Yeah, I'm calling work. I'm calling work, you know, the the the nature of the spelling errors and the often repeated, I have a learning disability that is like, what is why? I just found it. I just why is this here? Right. Makes me think work.
Starting point is 02:23:55 I've got learning difficulties and I can still see the way the future is going. So these people that are lying to themselves saying, who is Stadia for? Well, I am sorry, but you are clueless. So I'm calling work based on that. And if not, then also very like, you know, unfortunate, hey, iranoke, sorry, iranoke on our chat asks a really good question that I'm sure people at the home listening to this in audio format would like to know. Wally, what the fuck is a work?
Starting point is 02:24:29 Oh, a work is what a wrestler does when they're trying to convince you that something fake is real. Yes, a shoot is when a wrestler tells you something that is actually real. Yes. So a wrestler being chokeslam through the ring and being labeled as having died is a work. Yes, that same wrestler going that motherfucker chokeslam me in the wrong spot. And I really hurt my back is a shoot. Yes, these are Carney wrestling terms for psychos.
Starting point is 02:25:03 Big Boss Ben dragging a casket of Paul White's father who pitched up to his big truck. Yeah, that's that's a work. That's a work. Big Boss Man feeding Al Snow, his Chihuahua, his chili. Yeah, that's a work. Yeah, the Stadia working is a work. That's a work.
Starting point is 02:25:31 Developers coming out going, we're afraid to put much time into the development of these games because we're afraid that the game, the system won't exist in three or four years. That's a shoot. Here's the problem, though. If you press the on button on a device and the light turns on. Yeah. Can one not say that the device is working? It has work and say the power is working on the device.
Starting point is 02:25:58 It turns on. It does work. If you want to get if you want to go back to fucking the science class with it, yeah, effort and force is being generated by the electricity surging through the device, therefore work. This is interesting because as a scientific term is being actually fascinating because I always whenever I say a thing works or doesn't work, I tend to label it really specifically as does this thing do the thing it told me it
Starting point is 02:26:33 was going to do? Yeah. The QA term for work, which is functions as designed or as intended. Yeah. So by that, by that like metric, like even if the study turns on and allows you to play games, I still say it doesn't work because it doesn't do what it's telling me it does. It told me it was the future. It told me it would have negative latency. I mean, it is the future.
Starting point is 02:26:58 You can't stop that part. Oh, yeah. You want to bet? You don't think we're going to hit a future where streaming services for video games are not going to be like a commonly used thing for a lot of people? No, ever. I think the Stadia kind of nails it because Google is a part time ISP and can't get this fucking thing off the ground. The infrastructure isn't there.
Starting point is 02:27:27 And also flat out the speed of light is too slow. Unless you have distributed computing centers like this in every major city and also interspersed around the fucking wilderness and the plains and every part of any every country. Oh, it's going to be it's going to be garbage. The thought that I'm having is if it's presented to people in a way that let me let me think about a scenario, for example, right? What if you were to go on like if it was presented in a way in the least like intrusive side purchase necessary type of way possible?
Starting point is 02:28:07 For example, someone on their phone. Yeah, they have an iPhone. They go to the app store on the app store. They see a download for. What is something giant people are going to care about? Halo, Halo, a Halo button, right? And then they says download Halo. And all it actually does is stream the stream to have a Halo stream, right?
Starting point is 02:28:36 And then Microsoft themselves are going to hook you up and stream Halo to your phone. And then it's like plugging your controller and now you're playing Halo. And you only have to pay two dollars for it. Yeah. People will use that service even when it's garbage. Yeah, you know, it just because if the price is right, if the price is right. And if it's just that easy to start doing it, right? But here's the thing, the price on these things will always be wrong
Starting point is 02:29:06 because the infrastructure you have to build, you either have to have an existing infrastructure available, which Microsoft totally has. Yeah. Or you have to build one. And people have to be on Wi-Fi, they can't be on. Yeah. And it's and it's going to be, you know what I see as the future of streaming games, games being huge, games being massive downloads and it being like, you know, how PlayStation said, hey, you're going to be able to start every game. And then every developer just made it so you could hit the title screen before
Starting point is 02:29:34 the rest of the game downloaded. I can see situations like, yes, you can totally start every game. And when you start playing the game, you are streaming it and then you'll hit a load screen when enough of the game is downloaded and you'll be playing it. And that is how it will work so that you can actually start anything instantly and then transfer your save over and load it up. Yeah. But local hardware is not going away until we have a massive until the entirety of North America and Europe is seed a shining sea in fiber.
Starting point is 02:30:08 Yeah. And this is not happening. Like we've had different versions of this conversation. At the moment, I don't know if it's about about hardware going away as much as it is about like market share, I guess, for going away. But then again, you might be dealing with people that never would have bothered anyway. Well, Willie, I have good news for you. While study appears to be a buff bust, luckily enough, Amazon is talking about jumping in the fray.
Starting point is 02:30:40 There sure are. Shortly. I'm sure that'll go great, too. What can the world's richest man not do? Keep his fucking DMs out of the public eye. Pay his taxes, whatever. But. Well, like the day after Stadia came out,
Starting point is 02:31:09 Amazon rumors were going around, and I've never seen a more heartfelt no thanks, Jeff, to this fucking thing. It's too early. These things are fully. Let's go back and talk about Death Stranding. It's if I want to deliver 2000 kilos of ceramics to the mountains. I need roads and a zipline. If not, those ceramics are going to be damaged and fucked.
Starting point is 02:31:44 You know what this is an analogy for? Ghosts are going to get you. Packets. Yes, the BTs are packet loss. They are line jittery. They will grab your packets and your game play. And oh, I lost a packet. What do I do now?
Starting point is 02:32:04 I don't know. The match of Samurai Showdown has returned to the web browser. Fucking unbelievable. There's nothing to talk about until I the ISP's to infrastructure changes. And that's that's what you said, like as soon as Stadia got announced. Yeah, the first thing you're like on what lines? But on what cables?
Starting point is 02:32:28 But in the in the in the eyes and understanding of like these tech giants. There's these geniuses. It's too early means it's the perfect time to strike. Because remember, in tech, early means you're beating everyone else. That's right. Ahead of your time is good. Let's ignore the fact that now when Google tries to site you again in,
Starting point is 02:32:54 let's say, ten years, everyone's going to go. Wasn't the last time you tried this a miserable disaster? The only apps that matter nowadays. Yes, but like the only apps that matter nowadays all have one thing in common. They came from a place that was ahead of their time. Oh, yes. Right. Whatever the service was, whatever. Maybe I'm not a tech giant or a
Starting point is 02:33:19 hyper billionaire or any of these. What's a hyper billionaire? Somebody who has more than one billion. That's a multi-billionaire. You know what? I'm saying hyper billionaire. I'm going to say that. Anyway. But I always thought that if you made a good product.
Starting point is 02:33:40 That we worked that people might buy it. It's just like just that guy that sells those computer how-to discs that he just says, buy my product. It's a good product. It's a good product. It works. I hope you enjoy. I mean, I've gone to this before and you gave me a little chuckle, but I'm like the Coke, the Coca Cola ad in the invention of lying in which a man on a white background says, it's Coca Cola.
Starting point is 02:34:09 You know what it is. Have a Coke is the greatest ad of all time. Because when I buy a Coca Cola, do you know what I get? A Coke Cola and I drink it and I'm like, yeah, that was a Coke. Good, good, good day, good session, Coke. You are not the target audience. When I buy a Amazon Basics USB extension cable, something that I do with alarming regularity and I plug it in and it extends
Starting point is 02:34:41 my USB cable and then I forget about it until it's the time to buy another USB cable. I go, yeah, that worked. Good, thanks, Amazon. Now, if I bought an Amazon Basics USB cable and it came out of that box and it fucking didn't work at all, I would go, fuck them. I'm going to buy the shitty anchor ones or whatever. That's how it works with the stadia. See, when you bought a PlayStation or a Nintendo or a Genesis or whatever the fuck,
Starting point is 02:35:13 almost nobody ever ran into the situation, which the thing didn't fucking turn on. No, definitely not. But bells and whistles do matter. Yeah. Um, but you never thought you never thought to yourself. Well, I can never buy a Microsoft console again because these things don't work out the box. What you did do is say, I don't know, I can't I don't think I can buy another
Starting point is 02:35:36 Sega console or Microsoft console because the things burn the fuck out in two years. Um, I mean, you know, there's nothing we're saying that's new in terms of just like how to approach this because it's like we talked about the arrogance last time and it just it takes a level of arrogance to step into this this field that is not prepared for your your service and just assume that you're like, no, it'll be fine. We're building roads on mud. We're doing it our way. And to some degree, a lot of the new.
Starting point is 02:36:07 New service, the new tech service industry is also built on that audacity. Because if you think about it, yeah, think about it, right? Look at Disney Plus right now. Yes. Right. Stepping in and just going, yeah, fuck you, Netflix. Fuck everything else over here, though. Right. Then you go.
Starting point is 02:36:32 It's a shame. There's no other way to watch things on Disney Plus. And then they go, you know, and then it's just impossible. And then they grab all the stuff that was on other services and they go, no, it's over here now. You want it, it's over here and only there. That's definitely not anywhere else either. So then they do that they do things that way.
Starting point is 02:36:54 And it takes a certain audacity to sort of just step into, you know, the the the race as it were and just use your clout to carry us now. Yeah. That that's all this is. All I'm saying is this is just a regular practice for them. It fits in with the way they've handled every other for a so bad. It's so bad. And at the end of the day, it's probably going to just look like any other failed
Starting point is 02:37:25 project that they've had and not the hilarious thing that it is for people that are up to date with gaming news all the time like we are. I'm going to I'm going to look up because there's a there's a fucking the guy who looks like Jesus gaming is a gaming nexus. That does. Yeah. Gaming nexus is the YouTube channel that did a fucking review of Stadia. When they couldn't turn it on.
Starting point is 02:37:53 They bought a retail copy of the of the of the system. Put out a review two days later, describing how they literally never got a code and couldn't turn the fucking thing on. And then describe their controller breakdown and how the controller is like a mess as well, by the way, like in terms of its construction and go into it. And it's a fucking trip of a video. But like here's the review doesn't turn on.
Starting point is 02:38:27 Right. Like. If the if like. I feel like all the conversations we have about the Stadia are laughably stupid considering there are people who bought the thing and it just right up doesn't turn on because they didn't get codes in their email. Well, the only thing worse than it doesn't turn on is it turns on and lets catch us on fire.
Starting point is 02:38:47 Yeah, yeah, which is a also a thing. Why are we even talking about this anymore? Do you want a brick or do you want a fucking hot coal? All right. Other things going on. Not a ton, but, you know, is what it is. We had a footage of Half-Lifth Life, Alex. Yes, the newly announced VR game.
Starting point is 02:39:18 Floaty hands. Coming in March 2020, a game in which people went, oh, my God, there's a new Half-Life and then Valve comes out and says it takes place between Half-Life one and two and you go. Is that not what people wanted to hear? Is that episode two ended on a cliffhanger back in like 2007? And I put a tweet out that was, I mean, I got the dates wrong when it's basically
Starting point is 02:39:53 I'm glad I got to wait a decade or 15 years for new Half-Life game only to be told that it will have nothing to do with the cliffhanger that I've waited on this entire time. It's a full size entry, though. It's also not entirely made by Valve. Oh, really? Yeah. What's the Firewatch Devs Project Ocampo? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're making it.
Starting point is 02:40:19 And they have now, you remember in the Valley of the Gods, the game they announced? No. OK, they announced a game called in the Valley of the Gods. And good luck finding information about that now because they killed the website and scraped release date information off the internet because that game is dead now. Oh, that's and has been just straight up replaced with Half-Life. Alex, OK, OK. And the reason why this game exists is because Valve themselves are coming out with a VR solution, things called the index, which VR index, which apparently is
Starting point is 02:40:51 a big fancy VR thing that is going to be the one. And just like with other initiatives that Valve undertakes like Half-Life 2, most famously, they go, we need a killer app for this fucking thing. Build us a killer app so that people go, you got to get indexed to play this fucking thing. They did that for Half-Life 2 and Steam, if you remember, which worked really well for them. Campo Santo is a part of Valve now. Oh, well, that explains that.
Starting point is 02:41:21 I see. Which as as I wouldn't even say it upset as disappointed as I am, this is totally a Valve way of doing things where at least they think. Too many of these VR things came out without killer apps, without the thing of like, you need to do that. Like, you know, Rez was the shit, right? But Rez is still, I mean, it's a re-release of a game that's been re-released over and over, right? There needs to be a VR only game that is like, holy shit, this is the future gang.
Starting point is 02:41:53 Apparently, index is already out. Index is out. Apparently. Well, so there's that. So index is out and it's not doing the numbers they wanted to, so what a Half-Life game on it. Yeah, I... Do they, what's the price on the index?
Starting point is 02:42:15 What do we know about this? A thousand bucks. Like, I like this is the first time I'm hearing about it. It's a thousand bucks. Alongside this announcement for this game. Apparently, it's the high quality VR heads up. Is it, so it's rivaling the Vive as opposed to $1,300 PSVR? I'm looking at, you know, what do we, because like, yeah, that's the other thing.
Starting point is 02:42:36 And is it self-contained as well? Because self-contained is also... Is it a good VR thing, everybody? Is it better than Oculus? Higher Rez than Vive? Okay. It's fancy. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:42:55 You know what I need to get into VR? I need a VR headset that I can play in my fucking living room. Well, I was about to say that, like, the idea of just like, so are you gonna buy four headsets? What do we do in here? I don't know, dude. Like, I bought PSVR and I played it in our office and it was rad and then I never once got it working properly at my house. I did. It took a lot of work.
Starting point is 02:43:24 The camera had to be positioned in a lot of weird ways and have light supplemental. And then I looked at a Vive and it's like, install these trackers in your home. I'm like, I'm not doing that. So I was having a think about maybe buying the Quest because the idea of having it self-contained was very appealing to me because it didn't have to be in the living room or anywhere for that matter. It was self-contained. I like that idea a lot. Yeah. So I was actually considering that, but who fucking knows?
Starting point is 02:43:56 I saw somebody say, what in the PSVR is so easy? Yeah, if it works, the problem with the VR solutions is that you're dealing with technology that is also like dealing with the physical constraints of every different person's home, which depending on lighting conditions, space available, hey, hey, in my current place, I got a big fucking coffee table in front of me that's massive and is not going to move in a couch. Can I play VR games sitting down or even just standing up without moving around? Great. Anything other than that? No. It's not going to happen ever.
Starting point is 02:44:35 And most people's living rooms are like that. Thing though is VR does need more games like this, which are games, full games. Yeah. Absolutely. It needs to be at a point where they don't have to put qualifiers that say this is a full game as opposed to like a 10-minute demo. Because I think everyone kind of got used to the fact that when you boot up something in VR, it's not going to be a full experience. Yeah. This is going to be a tech demo or like an aquarium or whatever.
Starting point is 02:45:06 And to be fair, like how much money are you going to spend on something that's going to be extremely limited in its audience? So it's understandable. All right, so the VR people are getting very upset. The Half-Life Alex game will be available on all VR devices. Probably not PSVR, I don't think so, but everybody calm down, okay? It's still a push for Valve's own index thing, because they'll say that it plays best on Valve's own device. Oh yeah, I saw it, who was it? Someone, was it Randy?
Starting point is 02:45:38 Yeah, I think Randy tweaked it. Oh yeah, Randy got super pissy, and he said exclusively for the index. Yeah, it said a bunch of stupid shit that nobody... And everyone went, that's not true. Everyone's like, Randy, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Go back to jerking it to your fucking USB stick. Uh-oh. And fighting people.
Starting point is 02:45:55 You dumb bitch. Um... So there's that. I think there's a level of infamy associated with the fact that we're only using his first name. Because when I hear Randy now in my brain, my brain goes, shut the fuck up, Randy. Well now, there's a new Randy in my brain. Oh yeah? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:46:20 Was that Randy Andy? Or who? That's the name they had for good ol' Prince Andrew. Who's known as Randy Andy back in the day. Oh you so Randy. Up to... Up to no good. Alright.
Starting point is 02:46:42 VR sucks. Is Subverse gonna have fucking VR in it? Cause there's your killer app. People buy that. Is that a place? What is Subverse? It's the Kickstarter pornography game. Oh!
Starting point is 02:47:05 Made by the studio FOW people. Yes. That's where the Prince can live now that he's been kicked out of Buckingham Palace. Hey everybody. Yeah, what up gang? Devil May Cry 3 is coming out on the switch. Full price. You should probably get the trilogy.
Starting point is 02:47:23 On any other platform. Where it's a third of the price. It's cool. To hear that Devil May Cry 3 is coming out on the switch. But you should probably just buy the trilogy. It's fucking dumb that it is like... Can you get the fucking trilogy on the PC? Is that available?
Starting point is 02:47:42 I don't know, but I assure anybody that has... Oh, it's 20 bucks? It is 20 bucks on the switch? Okay, we're wrong. You can get it. You can get that. Okay. That actually makes it a better value than the trilogy. Cause the trilogy cost 40, but it had DMC2 in it.
Starting point is 02:48:01 Yeah, but you got one as well. Yeah, but I mean in 2020, that's 40, right? Just buy the fucking trilogy. And you don't have to look at DMC2. You can pretend it doesn't exist. Just buy the trilogy. Yeah. What are you doing?
Starting point is 02:48:12 DMC trilogy. Stop it. Is that on a PC? Trilogy. Not trial biology. What the fuck? Unless you very specifically want DMC3 on the go, and you have no other way to do it than in which case,
Starting point is 02:48:26 I suppose this is your only option. Is this on the personal computer? Cause what else do you suppose? Don't my Cry HD collection on the Steam, it totally is on the PC. Trilogy? Yeah. Of course it is.
Starting point is 02:48:37 That's what I bought. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's where I played it. That's crazy. That's what we fucking LP'd. No, it wasn't. It was on the PS4.
Starting point is 02:48:47 Are you sure? Yes. Okay. We had download notifications for the next games coming out in the LP, remember? Then I played it at home on PC then. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm going to pick that up when I go home.
Starting point is 02:49:01 Those games are great. That's where all those wacky multiplayer mods come from. Oh, is it? Yeah. Oh, cool. Also on the Switch, Trover saves the universe. Comes out on...
Starting point is 02:49:18 Shut up, Morty. Comes out on, like, this week, actually. Comes out on, like, this week. Yep. The 28th. Morty. So, basically. So, that shit was fucking hilarious when I played the demo at PAX,
Starting point is 02:49:33 and if you are on board with the Rick and Morty funny, then you should check this out, because it doesn't have the Rick and Morty fanbase. It just has the Rick and Morty funny associated. Yeah. So, you know, we'll wait to see where that goes. But, yeah. I don't know about this...
Starting point is 02:49:57 Trover. It's pretty good. It was good. You got it. Hey, so this is a funny, wacky fucking silly ass one. All right. I'm going to hand you something here. All right.
Starting point is 02:50:12 What are you gonna hand me? Tell me what you... What the... So, here, I'm handing you. This is a Super Nintendo cartridge. Just typically a Super Famicom cartridge. Oh, this is my package? Yes.
Starting point is 02:50:27 I'd like you to look at that package and identify the character on the cover of that. All right. This is a Capcom package of Street Fighter 2 Turbo. It has a CG... Wait, what is a CG character on it? It's just a rendering, but who is that? It's not Chun-Li. Are you sure?
Starting point is 02:50:53 Who is that? What character is on the cover? Is this the first time you've seen this? Yeah. This is a Japanese cover of Street Fighter 2 Turbo, first for our Super Famicom. Yeah. Who is that? I don't know.
Starting point is 02:51:09 Okay. I don't know. That's not Chun-Li or Ryu. Are you sure? Pretty sure. What makes you so sure? Doesn't look like them in the face. It looks like a young man, but that's not Ryu.
Starting point is 02:51:24 26 years, this debate has raged online as people have looked at this cartridge and said, Who the fuck is that, though? In Japan, at least. Someone brought it back up and took a look at it. Now, it's pretty fucking funny because admittedly you're like that? Okay. We can argue this. We can have an argument here.
Starting point is 02:51:50 It's a Japanese or Chinese person in their 20s. With brown hair and brown eyes? Yes. It is unclear. It looks like you're from Shinmue more than anything. It could kind of go always a little bit. But I've always maintained that that was Chun-Li. All right.
Starting point is 02:52:10 And the reason why I maintained that that was Chun-Li is because I'm holding here the Street Fighter 2 World Warrior. Well, he's got Ryu on it for now. He's got a red headband. And this is, you know, what came out first. Right. So that was second. Therefore, I assumed it was just a magical one after the other.
Starting point is 02:52:31 But that answer was not always clear to everybody back in the day. So 26 years later, we have confirmation on the Street Fighter 2 Japanese Famicom Super Nintendo cartridge. There was a poll held online that had people voting us to whether or not this was Ryu or Chun-Li. It was 80% voted for Chun-Li, 20% voted for Ryu. And Capcom artists, Koya, did confirm that this was in fact Chun-Li. And then you can see the Ryu render right underneath it in an ad that was put out
Starting point is 02:53:18 for Street Fighter 2 back in 1992. So there's a little bit of a white headband behind her that you can see. And it's like, well, in the alpha era, the headband was white, so you might have that sort of argument to make. But here, the only person with white on their head at the time was Chun-Li. Therefore, it made perfect sense. And that's the end of that story. Mystery solved.
Starting point is 02:53:43 A mystery that you didn't know existed 10 seconds ago. Yeah, it's a weird one. It's a weird crop. They could have done more to help the identity, including making one of her little buns stick out. Anything, dude. And also, that doesn't look like Chun-Li. This was before Chun-Li had a look.
Starting point is 02:54:06 This was back when there was a couple of Aki-Man sketches, one or two renders, but it was still up for debate, you know? Like, think about how Mega Man had a look. Oh, yeah. And then there was a couple other looks before they said, That's me, Mega Man. Yeah. It takes a while to settle on a look.
Starting point is 02:54:22 That's me, Mega Man. It's fucking Mega Man. Oh, man. A couple of other little bits here. Not a big deal with this story here. There's a Guilty Gear Cross Mistover collaboration. Mistover. Mistover is that, like, kind of, I think it's Japanese, but it's kind of like Darkest Dungeon
Starting point is 02:54:52 Cross anime. Fucking game. Have you not seen that? No, man. It's Darkest Dungeon Cross cutesy anime. Are they cute little anime girls? They're cute little anime. Oh, man.
Starting point is 02:55:02 You know me. Big weakness for them cute anime girls, because they're anime. And I like anime. You ever hear about anime? Boy, that anime. And it is, in fact, in tune with the fact that Faust is about to show up. Anime. Any minute now.
Starting point is 02:55:19 Faust, he likes them cute anime girls, too. Dr. Balted? Yeah. Hmm. Anyway, so yeah, whatever this is that happening, there's an announcement that the FF7 remake will have new bosses. That's unshocking. So we saw one in a trailer.
Starting point is 02:55:39 And they're already working on the next part. Good. So that means we're in the polish state right now. In theory. In theory. But that also means that you have no opportunity to course correct once the first one drops. Mine. It's 98 days away, or let's say they started working two months.
Starting point is 02:55:58 That's pre-production. That's art. That's, you know, if a thing comes out and everyone's like, I fucking hate this system. Or I hate the way this thing is treated. Especially how long this thing's in development. They'll have plenty of time to fucking fix that. Some of these side-by-side screenshots are hilarious. Well, there's that one.
Starting point is 02:56:18 There's that. There's also just some very nice environmental shots and things like that. Yeah. But yes, that is happening. I want Reno and Cloud to kiss. Okay. Don't you think that would be good to happen? No, because then Rude would be alone.
Starting point is 02:56:40 You can watch. No, that's not cool. Eh. Reno and Rude for life. No, it's not cool. It's Rude, in fact. Fuck you. I'm just spoiling my shit.
Starting point is 02:56:51 I hate myself. You should. That was terrible. There was a... Yeah, whatever. And then here's one that is definitely not for you at all. All right. This is for some folks out there who know what this is.
Starting point is 02:57:17 All right. Hey, some folks. It's your time to shine. You familiar with the Max? No. The M-A-X-X? I just said no. Okay.
Starting point is 02:57:28 I'm aggressive now because I don't know what it is. And that makes me scared. It's a comic book. Oh. It was then turned into a cartoon on MTV's Oddities. Uh-huh. I liked it back in the day, quite a bit. And it is one of those weird ones that is like, is this a superhero thing?
Starting point is 02:57:49 And then it's like, it's kind of anti-superhero. Like, most of these comics are dealing with a guy that is fucking depressed half the time. Good. And has to go through all kinds of real life bullshit. And there's just random, wanton, crazy violence. And it's wild. But you're basically dealing with a dude that's kind of insane. Good.
Starting point is 02:58:15 As your superhero. And it's great. It's very cool. I love the Max. It turns out that Channing Tatum is apparently attached with Roy Lee developing an adaptation of the Max. And boy, do I not know what that would look like nowadays. Because it was already super out of its element when it was in, when it was in, you know?
Starting point is 02:58:44 Yeah. When Max is weird, it's like goofy and just like, not something that you would want to go digging out of a basement to adapt. But here we are. And Channing Tatum of all people. He's homeless, by the way. That's true. He lives in a box.
Starting point is 02:59:04 Wait, Channing Tatum is actually homeless? Channing Tatum is homeless. But he's a big Hollywood actor. You heard it here first. How? How does that happen? The Max. The fuck up and I'm not homeless.
Starting point is 02:59:15 The Max is this homeless, fucking weird. Oh, the character's homeless. And he's obsessed with this, this, I thought you were saying the, he's obsessed with this girl, Julie. And he's like trying to protect her because it sounds like shit. It's, this sounds like shit. So it's weird to describe. It's great though.
Starting point is 02:59:36 It's great. It's hard to describe, but it's great. You fucking sold me. It's like. What a great, what a great argument. It's like the weird shit with like, you know how the tick is like super weird? Oh, the tick's awesome. It's kind of like that.
Starting point is 02:59:52 It's kind of like that a bit, but nowhere, but not as, not as happy, go lucky. All right. And he's got these big claws and they're like, fuck you fingers kind of. Really? Yep. I have some breaking news for you. What's that? I am starting to believe that the Stadia works Twitter account is real due to the following
Starting point is 03:00:20 information. Do you remember earlier in the podcast, I said that I followed it and then it was at 753. It is now at 785 and there has been a tweet as of three minutes ago. Quote, my Twitter is blowing up and I'm getting called a Stadia fanboy. I fucking love it. No waiting and no downloads just right into the game. Woo. Laughing emoji with a screenshot of their Twitter number at 784.
Starting point is 03:00:50 Well, Stadia works. You're welcome. Be kind and enjoy this Twitter account. Enjoy the gift that has been bestowed upon you and use it. Responsibly. Responsibly. Yeah, you can clip that and send it to me. I legitimately love this Twitter account.
Starting point is 03:01:08 It's fantastic. Without irony. What did I say? I screenshotted it and I said, I'm so fucking in. I'm in on this. What do the kids say nowadays? I'm here for this. I think the kids say that things are lit.
Starting point is 03:01:19 I'm here for this. Is that still a thing that the kids say? I am so, so here. This. I'm here for this. This. Like Lizzo's purse. This.
Starting point is 03:01:31 Twitter account is not. Extra. It's OD. It's. Yeah. It's OD. That's what it is. Don't get it twisted.
Starting point is 03:01:43 I really. My life is things getting twisted. My strands are twisted. We got some letters. Hey, letter time. If you want to send an email to us about the nature of your strand and or your experience with the Google Stadia. Hit us up at Castle Super Beast Mail at gmail.com.
Starting point is 03:02:12 I don't know. I don't really want to hear it. All right. I'll send it anyway. Castle Super Beast Mail at gmail.com. You guys see the Baz and shovel night showdown until you're going to say pedal fighter. What's that game? Oh yeah.
Starting point is 03:02:28 But those there's there was pedal crash, which made it that got funded in a second. That was awesome. Yeah. But no, I'm talking about the Baz in the new shovel night game as well as the Baz being sculpted into the board game. Yes. The Baz everywhere system continues continues. Thank you everybody for your continued patronage of the Baz.
Starting point is 03:02:50 Yes. The man without a game. The man with more games than fucking most characters out there quite frankly. Is Baz bigger than Metal Gear? The Baz has been in more games than most video game characters. That's right. He's not up. He's not going to dethrone like Sonic or Mario anytime soon.
Starting point is 03:03:16 But he is racing behind shovel night, who is his own main character in that game. You know, so yeah, there's that shovel night should be honored to have Baz in his game. Okay. We got one coming in here. So it's from Max says, Hey, Wolves and Pat. I saw a thing on Twitter going around about your favorite games every year for a decade. And I tried my hand at it. I came up on November 2012.
Starting point is 03:03:51 I saw a big, a big release date for a bunch of things. And it reminded me that I went to a midnight release at GameStop for PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale. I was the only person there for that. Oh, as everyone else was there for the release of Borderlands 2. The game was mediocre. Those came out at the same time. I don't regret it getting it over Borderlands.
Starting point is 03:04:13 So my question is, have you ever had a midnight release or movie showing that turned out to not live up to your expectations? I went to a ultimate Marvel three midnight release that definitely dashed my expectations for the evening. Did it? My expectations were that I was going to pick up a game. And what happened? Something very different.
Starting point is 03:04:42 Interesting. The creation of a legend might one say. Interesting. Fascinating that. I think I went to the midnight release of The Matrix Reloaded to bring it back up this episode. I think I was in line for that because who the fuck wouldn't be in line for the sequel to The Matrix? That's right.
Starting point is 03:05:02 It's the one that comes to mind at the moment. I saw a midnight showing of Revenge of the Sith and many friends of mine, we all went to the same like giant theater. I think you were there as well, Willie. Revenge of the Sith? Revenge of the Sith. Because one of the adjacent theaters had the projector catch on fire and like no one got to see the movie.
Starting point is 03:05:30 I don't think I was there. And they were the winners. I don't think I was there. Because it was like way up north. I'm pretty sure I went to see Star Wars stuff on opening days but not like midnight. Though I did have to spend hours in line to go see the re-releases. I remember the re-releases, I was fucking the re-release of A New Hope. I was in line for like pretty much an entire day to get into that.
Starting point is 03:06:02 But I was there for the morning release alongside 10 other people for the Wii U. Yeah, I was in line for the Wii but I didn't end up regretting that. Yeah, I did the Wii and that was, not only did I not regret that but that was an experience that I cherished because that was me standing outside all night on a, I think I had a folding chair with me in the cold in November. In front of the future shop that no longer exists on the corner of Atwater and St. Catherine. Dead center of the city across from that hobo park. And it was fucking freezing and there were a shit ton of people there.
Starting point is 03:06:48 I remember going, I remember having a friend of mine, it was Fuggins, my friend Fuggins, took the spot in line and was like, I'm like hold this, I'm gonna do something. And I had already spoken with the staff the day before and knew how many units they had. I think they had 250 units. And I went up and down the line and even though I had showed up at 6pm the night before, I was 117th in line. And I went down the list and I was like, and I hit number 250. And I said, bro. And I was like talking to the line because there was a huge fucking line.
Starting point is 03:07:26 Okay, I spoke to the guy, I'm way up there. So I'm not trying to fuck with you guys, but I spoke to the guy. There probably aren't enough for everybody past this point. You might want to try the Best Buy at Angry No, you might want to try, you know, and I, and then at fucking 7 o'clock, an hour before it opened, the fucking boomer showed up in their cars. This wave of boomers, pre-boomer boomers, showed up. This massive crowd must have been a thousand of them. And they all tried to do the same thing.
Starting point is 03:08:09 They all tried to, the door that they saw like 400 people sitting next to. Yep. And the door didn't open. Yep. And then everyone in the crowd went, yo, what the fuck? Yep. And they went, oh, and someone walked up to them. I did it to a couple of people.
Starting point is 03:08:28 The guys near the front did it to a couple of people. Yep. Everyone got their turn and like, this line has been here all night. Get in the back. Yep. And not one of them actually gone in the line. They all stood in a new crowd, like to the left side. Yep.
Starting point is 03:08:47 Where the SAQ is now. Hoping for the best. Hoping. Well, we'll just go in and not, Christ, not even a third of the people in the real line got a fucking wee. And those people were all had their arms crossed. They're all in their 40s and they're all in their 50s. I can't believe it.
Starting point is 03:09:04 My kid deserves it. Your kid does it. You're not a parent. You don't understand. And it's like, you bitch, I am so tired. And it's a, it's a line that is very tired because there's no sleeping in that line when it's that cold. Definitely not.
Starting point is 03:09:17 Um, that was a very different experience. Yeah. Cause like for me, you know, when you're in that line and you're like, I hope, I hope one of them tries to cut. I want to see it. I want to see this descend into degeneracy. Uh, I mean, to be fair, that's kind of what's happening with the Popeye's chicken sandwiches. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:09:38 You know, someone just says, fuck it. I'm going for it. And then they get stabbed. And then death. That's the end of your life. You hear about the frozen two thing? I did hear about the frozen two child with a weapon. Um, hundreds of teenagers, including dozens with machetes.
Starting point is 03:09:51 Machetes. Uh, yeah. Uh, Paige pointed out to me that frozen two has not caused more real violence than Joker. The movie that everyone was afraid was going to cause violence. Absolutely. Joker, no problems. Frozen two machetes. Joker.
Starting point is 03:10:06 Two year olds with machetes. Mind you. Joker weed. And you know, like dumbasses in face paint. So enjoy that. Uh, for me stands scarier than Joker stands. For me, uh, I was waiting in Burlington, Vermont at the, uh, at the Walmart. Wow.
Starting point is 03:10:26 That was like over. And we had it. They had the overnight thing set up in those. Oh yeah. You were in B town when I was in B town when it happened. And someone recently actually contacted me and went, Hey, yo, I was one of the guys you met in that line. I'm like, that's fucking crazy, dude.
Starting point is 03:10:39 Uh, we were there. We were all sitting. There's maybe 30 of us. And, uh, I want to say that's, yeah, there was these two girls that were huge marks for FF seven. Yeah. And they had their Advil Advent Children fucking little screen and they were playing Advent Children and so everybody was just kind of gathered around watching some fucking
Starting point is 03:11:02 Advent Children. Yeah, why not? And that was it. We were doing Advent Children and I want to say we were street passing. Yeah. You know, or whatever the equivalent was that you would do with your DS at the time. Not three DS. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:11:15 What? Not three DS. I'm crazy. Not three DS. No, but we were doing, we're doing DS stuff with each other. Um, you know what the stupidest thing is, everyone got a piece of paper with the Wii U and with the PS4. I preordered it and I walked up the morning of or the night of and I waited in line for
Starting point is 03:11:34 like an hour and then I picked it up and I got it right and it was laughably easy. In fact, I got a second PS4 because just in case for work purposes, but I just gave it to the fuckings and he paid me back right off Amazon and it showed up the day of right and all I can think of when this process was easy was that it should like I was nostalgic for how fucked up it used to be to buy a console day one. Because there was this weird fucking tribal element of the people who have it the first couple weeks fucking bled for it. Sure.
Starting point is 03:12:15 Right? Yeah. They suffered for it in the cold and I only want to talk to people crazy enough to do it. And how much did you enjoy your Wii bowling? Incredibly. And your Wii baseball. They were elevated dramatically.
Starting point is 03:12:29 It's just to think that you're suffering to take home fucking Wii tennis. Well, I really everyone played Twilight Princess on it. Yeah. But you know, like it just it just also Wii bowling is the shit. Sure. The bowling was awesome. No, I know. But like 12 hours in the freezing fuck cold.
Starting point is 03:12:48 Well, I'm glad I didn't fucking wait 12 hours in the freezing fuck cold to bring home kill zone shadow, whatever the fuck it was on the PlayStation 4 or our most. What was it called? What was the red steel tool red steel? Mm hmm. Yeah. Twilight Princess was available on the release guys was a launch title. Gamecube though.
Starting point is 03:13:12 Damn. Whatever. That Gamecube release was not well released. They did not release very many of those. Here we go. We got one coming in from a shy ranger says their castle cuddly beast. Any time animal crossing comes up, the overall response I get from you guys is I don't get it.
Starting point is 03:13:31 I thought I'd personally say why I'm into it. If you still don't get it, that's fine. But I wanted to send this anyway, since I finally put the words for myself, since I finally put it into words for myself to fact is I get some enjoyment out of mundane tasks. It can be very chill and comforting in the real world. Like most things, it fucks up, makes it depressing and if you enjoy something, sometimes people will try to take advantage of that and ruin it for you, like work. So to be able to do mundane tasks in an escapist environment allows me to enjoy it without
Starting point is 03:14:01 any problem. And why animal crossing in particular, well I prefer that style, colors and visuals. Also despite what jokes people make about Tom Nook being corrupt and cruel, the game constantly goes out of its way to say, nah take your time, be comfortable, which helps boost it for me. Tom Nook gives you a fucking interest free loan on a house. And that's okay. Same conclusion, real life is fake as fuck, fake life is way better at least some of the
Starting point is 03:14:25 time. So I've made some fun comments about animal crossing and that I don't get it, okay? I've said that it is for, it is a fucking dumb bitch simulator or some things, why are you just going in a circle? Oh, I thought you got, I thought you saw me getting ready to talk and just started to pace in, in, okay. But I will say that, oh he's leaving, after playing a bunch of Death Stranding and building all that infrastructure and getting some satisfaction out of things playing, being placed just so
Starting point is 03:15:08 here and there, I have a smidgen of the understanding of the appeal. I still don't get it because I don't see a gameplay benefit to ordering your house just so, but I do understand the satisfaction of setting things up in just this nice way so that everything, I just don't find enough extrinsic goals in Animal Crossing. Everything's intrinsic, everything's, you do it because you enjoy the activity. There aren't enough long term goals other than get a bigger house or get more Super Nintendo cartridges for the thing or whatever. So I get, I get, I see, I feel like a glimmer of it, but I cannot grasp.
Starting point is 03:15:53 The last time I latched on to anything like that was the Game Boy version of Harvest Moon. And I got it then, right? I was stuck in Oklahoma, I had nothing but really shitty AOL internet on my brother's laptop and it was very, very dry and boring, nowhere to go. I was on a church college campus and I was hanging out there for, I don't know, must have been a week or two, I don't know how long it was, but yeah, between eating fucking veggie burgers and sitting in on like extra Bible study sermon type classes that I didn't really sign up for, but I forgot why I was even down there.
Starting point is 03:16:45 Yeah, so this whole email who gives a shit now, why the fuck were you in Alabama for a week playing Harvest Moon? I was down there. He asked me to come down. Wait, who asked you? My brother. Okay, see, because that sounded scary right away. Um, my, my, uh, yeah, no, my half brother asked me to come down while he was doing his
Starting point is 03:17:07 studies and I forget what was happening because I feel like nothing. Is it a haze? No, I don't. Is it all murky and confusing? I don't think anything was happening in particular. I think he just wanted me to just like hang out and I think he, I think he might have wanted me to just kind of like check out the campus and like as a possibility of like, hey, maybe you want to come here after high school or something, you know, like maybe
Starting point is 03:17:34 if you feel like going to a Christian college, this is a place you could consider. And I was like, I'm not at all going to consider that, but I'll come hang out, I guess, haven't seen you in a bit. So I think I just spent time chilling out with him for like a week or two. Um, we didn't accidentally join a cult. He was born anyway. Come on, guys. Get, get, get with it.
Starting point is 03:17:54 You don't choose. You fucking get handed that. Yeah. That's, that's what I rolled. What do you want me to do? Yeah. Um, or a character creation. So, so, uh, yeah, I was just there and the only thing I had was like a couple of hastily
Starting point is 03:18:10 packed, uh, like, like fucking games and one of them was a Game Boy Harvest Moon. And so I just, I played the shit out of Harvest Moon for that brief period of my life. And then I played it a bit more when I got back home afterwards, because I was like, yeah, this is how you pass the time. Yeah. You collect your crops, you go see your animals, you field and you tend to it. And that's why, uh, Stardew Valley is really popular. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:18:35 And you can, you can lay it out and however it makes you feel comfortable. But that, but never again after that. Yeah. And, um, it's also why I remember when like the craze that was Viva Pinata. Flew through the office. Yeah. Viva Pinata grabbed a lot of people by the fucking balls. Um, and I never, I just never got it.
Starting point is 03:18:57 I couldn't do it. You know what I'm thinking of? Cause even though like Animal Crossing and, uh, Death Stranding in terms of like building and making things like there are some not superficial similarities. Yep. But the biggest change is that Death Stranding is in service to travel and rucking, rucking is where, uh, well, I would describe, uh, harvest, harvest moon and Stardew Valley and, uh, Animal Crossing as all about being about homesteading.
Starting point is 03:19:32 It's about taking a patch of fucking dirt and turning it into something valuable, which homesteading appeals to me not at all. But rucking and, or trucking does. But what about games with big open worlds that you find boring? Which ones specifically? Like. Phantom Pain. And there ain't nothing there.
Starting point is 03:20:00 There ain't nothing. Nothing there. So what about that? Fuck it. Sometimes it's not always good. No. No. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 03:20:11 Anyway, I don't know. It's probably why I would, I probably honestly, if I ever sat down to play Minecraft, like, uh, I mean, I, somewhere inside of me, the little like creative character Lego builder guy would, would enjoy it for a bit. Yeah. But then there would come a point where it'd be like, okay, I'm done and never again. Yeah. Um, my Minecraft doesn't appeal to me because like I was the kid when I had Legos, I
Starting point is 03:20:37 would, uh, look at the instructions and I would build the Lego perfectly, exactly as it appeared on the box. And then I would place it down and go, good. Oh, yeah. I'm done. No, no, no. I had custom fun and drove my fucking siblings crazy. We had, we had, because they wanted to build their own shit.
Starting point is 03:20:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they'd, they'd go to, they'd go to take apart my spaceship. I'm like, I know, no, I built, it's perfect. Leave it alone. But those pieces are the only pieces and we need those pieces. The Lego movie sucks because the villain is right. Did you, did you have lingo for your pieces? No, you didn't describe how to.
Starting point is 03:21:18 So how, how did you like look for a piece and communicate that you needed it? I looked for it myself. Oh, okay. I didn't want my brother and sister help me because they would fuck it up by changing things. So, so me and my brother would play Lego together and you had to have language for that. So if I wanted to push that pushed up six dotted.
Starting point is 03:21:36 Yeah. You, you'd find that fucking pushed up six dotted. No, don't touch my Lego pieces or a flat two dotted. Don't touch my Lego pieces. Or if you had, if you had a, a pushed up two dotted Bendy, then you could take that pushed up to lead to a lot of tension because my sister was as much older than I am eight years older. My brother's four years older.
Starting point is 03:21:55 And they would, when I was down around because I was a child and they were much older children, they would take shit apart and build their own castles and shit. And we get some fucking pissed because they took apart my fucking perfect truck or whatever that I would smash their shit pieces to get my pieces back and then rebuild my perfect thing. See, you have the sensibilities of an only child, except you're not an only child. Well, there's a reason for that. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:22:24 My brother, my half brother and sister. Yeah. And at various points in my life, they either live with me all the time or they went and live with their mom all the time, or they split half and half or weekends or, you know, this week on this week off or whatever, because we live very close to their mom. So yes, sometimes I was an only child. Other times I was not an only child.
Starting point is 03:22:46 And that's when it came time to not be an only child and interact with other people. You instead behaved like a fucking psychopath. No, dealt great with my sister. Okay. Cause she wasn't scum. Okay. Well. Um, that my sister was great.
Starting point is 03:23:01 I love my sister. Yeah. She did not sell my Sega Saturn for weed. Well, when we were younger, we would play Legos together and it was fun. Oh, I'm getting really upset. Yeah, you are Legos Legos was fun. I remember when we watched the exo squad and we didn't have the toys yet. So we built Lego versions of the toys.
Starting point is 03:23:25 That's cool. And they were actually pretty decent because you could do some decent shit. You could use the top of the spaceship dome and put it as the front of the body and then put a pushed up two dotted bendy as the thing that lets you open it up. But what always sucked is that the Lego men were too small to fit really sick. The coolness of the giant robot we made. So then you would just like half the fucking deal with the fact that you had no decent sized people.
Starting point is 03:23:56 Yeah. Well, I want I want it to make JT Martian. I couldn't. Um, let's take one quick here from Nicholas says, Hey, gang, what do you think makes a great super move in a fighting game? This is a pretty straightforward question. Blue trails helps blue trails always helps the darker the blue, the stronger it is until it goes red and to me, to honest, in one word, rhythm, yeah, there's a rhythm
Starting point is 03:24:20 to the hits, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, right, which is why I always felt, uh, two things that bothered me in third strike were Ken's Shippujin Raikyaku didn't have a kick at the end. Yep. Cause he could like, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. And then you just fall. Didn't he have one in fucking second impact in Marvel? They added the ba, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, right.
Starting point is 03:24:47 And same thing for, um, uh, yang, he would do the rolling, uh, kick and then it would be like rolling, you'd roll and hit you and go, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. And you're waiting for that. And then there's no final. You want to see a fucking incredible series of super moves and all the good stuff that goes into super moves. Go look at almost every single version in a mainline street fighter of the final atomic buster, particularly, I think my favorite, the last one, I think
Starting point is 03:25:16 my, yeah, except for the last one, I think my favorite is like alpha where it's final atomic buster. And then the big explosion and then the boom toss catch boom. And then the bounce off is like a little denim. I'm not, I'm just keeping it just, just to the rhythm of the hits. Right. Chun Li. Brr brr, brr, brr, right?
Starting point is 03:25:38 Shin. Sure. You can. But but yeah, right. So I like to compare the final atomic buster from alpha three to, uh, the rolling suplex that Laura does in which it, it, there's a spin and then it ends with like a slide and there's, it's, it's got no rhythm. It's a cool move.
Starting point is 03:25:57 Yep. But it just doesn't have it. Um, uh, the, and then ultra's fixed a lot of that too, where they add, they made sure they were all rhythmic. So like Dudley lands, rolling thunder and you get that. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, you know, you always have to have that rhythm to the hit and, uh, shout out to Vanessa with her little Bob and weave at the before the big yes, uh, KOF lands it all the time.
Starting point is 03:26:26 KOS, right? Whether it's Kim Kapwan or, or, yeah, like, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, uh, you know, like a multi-hit. So have a rhythm up to a big finale is the easiest. Don't let it just fall off. A couple of big hits also works just fine. Rhythm is so important to a fighting game super that Gnagin, a street fighter three third strike super in, which is just an auto combo, not auto combo, but
Starting point is 03:26:55 it's an extra combo system for, uh, what's his name? The twin fucking young, young, whatever, uh, that people in the crowd created a rhythm for it. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, and when everybody knew it was the last hit, hey, like K dash, toss the glasses, but the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, stop, boom, pulls back big hit. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:27:23 Yeah. Um, always been a strong Clark. Yeah. Yeah. And then throws it up. And I think it's the 98 2001 where he goes upside down. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:27:35 Yeah. 2003 dumbest looking throw ever, but it's on rhythm. Yeah. It's on rhythm. You got to have a rhythm to it. Um, uh, Makoto. Yeah. Seishu Senkoutanzaki.
Starting point is 03:27:46 One big punch. Bam, but bam. Yeah. There it is. That's what makes it feel good versus bad. And it doesn't have to be complicated because literally deadly double combination is like just oof, oof, but it happens with impact. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:28:04 You know, it doesn't have rhythm. No matter how many effects you throw on it, it'll feel weak. Yes. And everyone is asking about galactica impact. Galactica phantom, that's the, it is the rhythm of one note. It is the rhythm of exactly. It is, it is the sound of one hand clapping. It is the instant, you know, bam, just the one shot.
Starting point is 03:28:23 It is actually, it has a rhythm, but it's, it's, it's more like a melody in which it is a rising tension followed by the buildup. The buildup is not the move itself. The buildup is before the move. Yeah. You know, galactica phantom. So why there's a version of galactic phantom that's just a regular special move that sucks in terms of visual impact.
Starting point is 03:28:40 Yeah, but there's the times where he, instead of just shouting out the move name, he just yells and that's always fantastic. So that's satisfying as well. But when you're not doing that move and you're doing, say, his a baddy, baddy, Vulcan punch, where like he tackles you to the ground and on the ground, it's like hit, but then one big one, you know, so good shit. Killer instinct is 100% about the rhythm as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:29:06 A lot of those combos. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you know, like, like three, like a normal, normal, normal, special move. It doesn't have to be musical. It just has to have like a designated rhythm that you can remember and internalize. Like the base, like even as something as simple as like, you know why the rim shot is popular in comedy decades later is because it's got a rhythm. But up bump clap or symbol or whatever.
Starting point is 03:29:41 It works, makes you remember it. It feels good. And even when you do it manually, like, uh, geese or rock, Howard doing deadly rave, still got really, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. You know, like you have a one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, five. Yeah. All right. Um, podcast is over now.
Starting point is 03:30:06 If you want to check out woolly, where would you check out the woolly? Uh, woolly versus on Twitch, woolly versus on YouTube, woolly wolls on Twitter and you know the deal. All right. I'm going to be streaming this week. I'm going to be death stranding and also finishing up outer worlds. Going to be over Twitch.tv slash angry as Pat. I also guest star occasionally over on Twitch.tv slash peach saliva, who might
Starting point is 03:30:30 be streaming dead by daylight tonight. That'd be Monday night, not Tuesday. If you're reading it Tuesday. But, uh, yeah, good stuff. Wonderful. I'm going to, I'm so hungry right now. Yeah, I'm pretty starving too. I'm going to, uh, yes, I'm going to confirm a few things, but I think, uh,
Starting point is 03:30:47 starting this week, once I fucking tend to some bullshit, such as audio set up foibles and whatnot, uh, I think I can announce, uh, like a week schedule. Yeah. For streams that are going to be coming up with the LP streaming thing, LP streams, regular streams, all that stuff. Well, hey, uh, so part of that will be death stranding, obviously. Yes. I'm fascinated.
Starting point is 03:31:08 I'm going to hop in on that and just take a look at what it's like to see somebody else do it. Uh, and if at any point you run into trouble, you feel free to text or, uh, Twitter message me as I am, as everyone now knows the world's most perfect, best death stranding player. According to Kojima productions, according to Kojima productions, that's Canon, you can't dispute that. You literally can't dispute it.
Starting point is 03:31:38 Uh, yep. So look forward to that on my Twitter. Um, and if you didn't catch it, I put out a, uh, what I called it the state of the channel, 2019 over on Willie versus my favorite part about that video is what you have a giant grin on the preview picture, which is uncharacteristic of you in terms of, of your resting face, because if it was anything other than that, people would shit their asses and yet somehow, somehow they still ask shitted, Oh my God.
Starting point is 03:32:11 Will they smiling? Does that mean he's going to quit? I just, I'm like, what more? Like it is a giant, happy, Hey, here's what's going on. Everybody fair. Well, we, we are about two weeks from the anniversary, but that's, but I know, but it's like, like, look at the context. You could put like a fucking glass of wine and like the, uh, like sparkles and
Starting point is 03:32:39 shit. The PTSD is strong, man. I, I, I don't know what to tell you. I'm literally like, yeah, I'm like, let me just do this because who knows. It might be a fun thing to do every year when we try to figure out what's going on, but you got to do it consistently so that, so that people don't have the fear, but the fucking just like, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, look, look, look, look, look happy, big happy, calm down, everyone.
Starting point is 03:33:07 Everyone should try and relax.

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