Castle Super Beast - CSB 047: MID OR FEED: TOP IS FED

Episode Date: December 12, 2019

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hey guys this is what I was gonna go for before today's a very special episode of the castle super beast podcast today and hopefully god only today you just might see one of us run away in order to not shit our pants both woolly and I having a real good bout of being afraid to shit our pants

so I don't know what's going on with you uh... I got stomach stuff all the time well I don't get on going battle I don't get stomach stuff all the time pretty rarely for some reason uh...

I went to toronto and I came back and all I got was this horrible food poisoning, you know what you got? what did I get? jealous of the poop bandit and your body is jealous now my body is providing me with the ammo yeah telling me what to do

it's speaking to you in tongues it's not great it's been a not great couple of days um... here's the bit it's been worse and I've never known anyone to get food poisoning as often as you but it's like

I mean it's still a handful of times over the course of my life but it literally is all you have to do is eat one bed yeah I know I just I've never had I've never known a person to get food poisoning once sorry more than once yeah so I think this is what

three four no maybe no no yeah probably probably like four or five times right and it's like I've known people that have gotten just don't try new things I've got I've no people that have gotten it to but it's also basically like again

it's the easiest thing to get consume one bad meal in some cases one bad bite and that's all it takes you know um... so I've had really really bad ones and uh... this is easily like amongst the least offensive versions of it

but it's still not great still not great the really really bad ones are uh... when you are unable to move for a couple of days right the really bad ones are like um... when I was the first time I ever got it was like you know maybe whatever ten or

eleven um... and like a hot dog hot dog that just you know no no it didn't have enough healthy rat meat in it well the the well first of all you're talking about about super christian household uh-huh so you bet you believe the best believe that

those hot dogs are absolutely not pork or or miscellaneous meat hot dogs there's super duper chicken hot dogs okay um... there there's step one step one to getting food poisoning well chicken is the worst offender of them all and then there's frankfurter's for beef you know whatever but

um... basically that goes into the e-coli stuff and whatnot and step two is vegetables but I mean in any case it was just it was just whatever it was there was you didn't know what was off when you had it and then it went it went bad you know in retrospect and that was like that was days on the floor

right that was like days of like oh I'm you're you're gone you're not moving you're not getting out of bed is anybody like I he's faking it uh... no my brother got it too oh well I mean that'd be that'd be tough to both of you fake it like that we both had it and we were both like okay bed or the floor

right so um... you know that was the good place to be that was the bad one I mean I got it from um... bad rice at a wedding uh... right in fact of every like everyone that had the rice got it so the nightmare occurred Jesus Christ where everyone that came in and celebrated had to then fucking deal with that

um... really really harsh on the old people yeah so food preparation is no joke definitely not it's it's one of those things that I remember watching I watched a lot of kitchen nightmares with Gordon Ramsay yeah and Gordon Ramsay's a cantankerous angry fellow but the ones where he would really just lose his shit is he'd see like chicken or like

vegetables just hanging out yeah and he's like people can die from this it's not a joke you know something as simple as that um... and and of course it's like that's

whether that's down to like the the the hired caterers being garbage or the hired caterers being cheap hired caterers or on the much less likely but more fun to think about evil possibly um... yeah so whatever that's how that went down and that was you know like the second time or so um... and then there was like yeah stuff is like when I was a

back at at uh... Eidos back at Squeenix and um... I had that salad and I had a shrimp salad basically and it was it was it was not it was not a shrimp salad it was a salad with shrimps with shrimp in it um usually I go for the chicken this place had a really good bowl of like salad or whatever

and I went this time I was like let me just try something different and I went for something different and it was shrimp and that shrimp that scrimp was not ready those prawns were passed or it maybe it was more than ready maybe it was beyond ready maybe yeah that's it it's ready and it said passed and it went off and uh... that was that you know and that was a bad one that's another one where you're like woof you're getting fucked somebody's getting fucked

um... and yeah like uh possibly like another smaller instance in more recent years um that cheesecake did you and I'll never forget that packs cheesecake on the on the fucking cabinet nah nah that's just meme status dude you were you were ill but that's like at that at this point at this point that's just dumb meme status like it's okay you've been poisoned enough that that one has become de-ranked no I've no that one has just become uh uh uh it was

based off of a joke which was funny and then it just got ran into the ground to me because you did get sick after eating it but that's not no it anyway okay all right I'm pretty sure like the the fact that you would have gotten sick anyway no that's not what I'm pretty sure it was something else that I had that weekend specifically because the amount of like the amount of any whatever the the the amount of targeted bullshit on that story and like for what it actually was which is literally

a piece of like do we even need to go back no all right I was just shocked that you would be like oh no that one doesn't count the hyperbole on that is stupid it's not it's no it was not the cheesecake I had something else oh well was it okay I'm not sure oh I'm pretty but I'm pretty sure that wasn't so you're sure it wasn't this but you're when I got first of all when I got sick it wasn't the day it wasn't right after eating it yeah okay the that weekend there was the whole snow that like it was like okay that thing was there

yes it was on the yes it was on the table I've had stuff like that that had not been like that that I've had at blah I've had stuff that had been out like that that had not been that bad and when you get food poisoning you pretty much know right away it takes a couple hours between right it is basically between the point that you eat the meal and the person is it what hits your stomach soon as it's your stomach you start to know right away and it was not right away so why would it be that it was that was the one that was the reason why that

became the bit was because that's what uh uh Matt and Liam and whatever Matt and Liam myself and Paige all looked at you going to eat a three-day-old cheesecake off a fucking hotel countertop and went no don't do that so the number keeps going up each time well it was it was out there it was at least one day it was it was literally up the span of hours it was literally the span of hours right and it just got exaggerated to the entire weekend

I will text my girl and I will confirm this anyway that was and then it takes oh she's asleep she's not gonna be able to but it takes it usually it takes a while for that for for uh uh uh it takes not sorry any blah opposite of that you find out pretty quickly what's causing it as such as this time where it was like moments after like like maybe less than an hour after the meal I may be an hour after the meal like you're like oh that's not something's up and then you then begins the the spiral yeah let me ask you

I don't know if this is a little too personal but is it mostly down or is it also up I mean at first it's both okay and then later becomes down okay because down I mean as bad as down can be up is the worst up is just yeah not great um anyway um um hey I have a question for you this has nothing to do with food point well tangentially sure when you were younger and you know you're you're you're you're

throwing up or what do you get stomach flu or something uh did you have a designated bucket still do how do you do that because like I um I was in hospitals have pans no no like like oh woolly sick again get out the puke bucket well it's it's not a bucket it's a it's a container okay and again it is like a hot like hospitals have these containers yeah and you need to have one because you cannot live by the toilet for the entire time you're saying the reason I ask is because when I was a little kid all the way up until

like it was 20 or whatever there was a single orange bucket in the house that was like oh a pat sick get him his orange bucket and like the sight of that thing filled me with dread because every time I saw it I knew I was gonna throw up okay and I'm not sure which like well I I'm convinced at some point it would cause me to throw up well for me it's a container it's the blue it's the blue container and I still have it and like you got it from your from your mom yeah yeah it's it's childhood puke childhood puke bucket I mean it's it's the thing

that would sit next to your bed and that's what you need when you can't get up and you know whatever you wash you disinfect you do your thing and then it goes back where it goes and then you keep it by the ready if you ever need it again but like an actual bucket it's like yeah that's a bit much oh no I don't like it's more necessarily it's more of a like I'm not talking about the little pan I'm not talking about the bucket nests of the of the scenario just like the designated vomit yeah yeah I still

have it I still have it and no negative association huh I mean it's a lifesaver quite frankly because like I made a joke about it the last time I was hanging out with my mom and dad and my mom was like oh yeah we still have that you want to see it and I got like upset I was like I don't want to look at it yeah because if I looked at it I bet I would throw up yeah no I just to me I'm like I think more of the awful times when it's not around and then how it becomes a really bad run for

whatever and you never want to have to be in a situation where you have one second to decide which place to aim it yeah because whatever you do it's gonna be it's gonna be bad right yeah so like there's always options now I remember being really little and having the decision of like the floor or my sheets those that's my decision yep yep often to uh I remember there was the sprint and then the sprint got cut short where it's like couldn't reach the toilet hit the sink instead

that's could be much worse than that hat that hat but that that's a bad one though because it's like that's not going anywhere for a minute you got to deal with that yeah but it's better than you know the floor or yeah I guess I guess I guess um you know and it's right next to water water is your friend yeah just again it's just you know um and then there's like in polite company yeah right there's pull your shirt up and you can just go for that if you have nothing and you don't want to hit the floor or anybody around you I would rather hit the floor

anyone I'm sure um in fact I disagree with this ideal based on most drunken people's uh etiquette it there is a that is there is a clear okay thing yeah I guess it's like it depends I guess it depends right like I can come around to like sneezing in your shirt or whatever I can I can live in that world if we're all standing in a place where you can aim it completely away from people and not on like someone's car or some shit I would so readily throw up on someone's car than myself the problem with the shirt catch was what do you do

right afterwards nothing absolutely nothing you you cut it off your body no that that's why like that's why everyone that's why I think everyone's recoiling is like there's no follow-up there's no plan it can't you can't we could lift up your shirt above your body you can't yeah you're fucked you just gotta pour it out onto the ground that you're gonna pour it out onto anyway you know or hope that you can get to a bathroom and like die just yeah just die in it yeah no it ain't great it ain't great I don't like it when our bodies are bell

against us with their basic functions but there are times when like I still think that's the move right okay that's that I demand a one scenario I am at a wedding reception right on the grass it's indoors okay right on the church in the room where it's happening yeah no no start running you're not but like run as fast as you can on the ground in the room you've ruined it yeah oh you're right hey hey guys what's going on over there oh it's just it's just

member of the bridal party slash guest whatever mr woolly fucking vomiting all over into his suit to hold it for us have you seen the video of you doing this of a bridesmaid just yack him right in front of the the the ceremony yeah it's actually relatively common people get nervous and they throw up well um that to me is a ruiner because you're basically looking at a stench that's not going to go anywhere even though they have to continue with what they're doing

you can take a break and wipe it up but everybody knows what just happened and like at the very minimum I think if you can remove yourself drastically and extremely they can continue without the whole place smelling like garbage you know it's a sacrifice but you're not you're not following up with the okay so you pull out the shirt of your of your suit it's jumping in front of a bullet no you're not no i i want to hear the follow-up okay so you're you're in a suit you're in a suit it's it's awful right okay it's an awful

situation that you're that you're you're because again the poll use this the the the disrobing is probably the worst shit in the world if not impossible but the hope the hope at the very least in this extreme scenario because again not always called for but in that type of scenario i feel like i would take the bullet because then you then you you run you get to the nearest toilet you release well they yes i like i i want you to walk me through

piece by piece you're in a suit yes regular man's suit okay shirt overcoat blah blah blah okay you pull the shirt out of your you know grab the bottom pull it up pull it up into create a little bowl okay a little bowl create a little horrible bowl okay no time to get the shoot off now i'm gonna tell you right now i don't know about you but the ability to aim your head straight down with accuracy while vomiting some of it's gonna hit the floor man probably yeah i mean yeah yeah and also

by the way have you ever been in a situation where it's come on so fast that you didn't know it was coming on before once because for me at the very least every time it's come on it's been i have minutes of alert to get up and i so let's not forget the biggest part of for vomiting for me i have had a maximum of 45 seconds ever and on one occasion once i had one second of of warning okay i've never been completely unaware with like seconds to go

yeah i've always had minutes most people don't have minutes yeah i've every time i've had it i've had minutes and i've had the ability to get up and go yeah but let's assume um you have like you're standing in the receptions happening you have 10 seconds to decide and here's the thing i guess the one like here's an exception right i think like drunkenness like like like fucking being wasted beer barfin yeah that's where it's like it's there but you're

fucking wasted so you're not really paying attention okay so here so you're trying to cup it in a in a in your shirt right okay so right you're going for that okay so there's two problems three problems right away okay you ever try and cup water out of a stream or like a of a sink consistency thicker than water have you sometimes it spills out the size of your hands yes the consistency is thicker than water okay two sometimes the consistency is not much thicker than water it usually is okay but sometimes it's not and two

because of the way puke works the consistency is uneven some is much thicker than water some is water yeah the water is going to run straight through and hit the floor anyway like you're not saving the floor at all you're only making sure that every part of you is now covered in puke uh the types that i've had that i'm thinking of it would be a huge difference i want to poison you to see this play out because there's and here's the other thing too and i was gonna say the other type is when

you have it there and you know you're going to so you have to kind of almost induce it you know what i mean yeah those ones in a rough for me it's usually pretty easy it's go hang out next to the toilet for a bit and the the location and the context will do and you're kind of you kind of know and you're just like fuck i don't want to but i know it's right there yeah and i know it's gonna go down so let me just i can do it now i can do it later exactly and you just gotta fucking sit there and spit

you want to fucking hey but but but what i'm saying right and especially given fucking recent context right you're getting a whole lot of like nah that's just gonna hit the surface of that yeah and and it's gonna hit the consistency is is pretty thick woolly i i genuinely feel that if you're gonna throw up you should scan the room for people turn away from those people lean as far forward as you can and throw up because

yeah like all your pukes on the floor they'll clean it up right and we're in the wedding analogy still you know the smell whatever like you're ignoring the part where hey where's woolly oh he puked all over his own suit and ran away yeah to save it instead of to stretch a little sick he's back now it's an extreme case right i don't think this saves anything i think it i think it would i really think it would based on the types of vomits that i've had

based on the amounts right and i do i remember my cousin oh my god my cousin one time had one that was like there was no fluid it was well there had to be a no but it was like it was a contained drop that hit the ground and stayed together like i understand that seems like your cousin's unwell because that's because i and that's the thing is like is like there's all kinds right and boozy ones are alcohol so that's just the fluid coming back up if you're barfing beer

and and shots then it's just alcohol coming back up yeah your body doesn't want it if it's food yeah you're getting a lot of food and that's what i'm trying to make the difference here today i'm not barfing the same shit that you had when you got drunk that one time no it's a meal a i've been half half for liquid slash foods i'm aware but even food yeah this is this is getting even food barfs have consistent i don't want to i don't want this conversation to go into this detail it's pretty fucking horrible and gross

but if you're pulling the questions out in this way i have to answer them you can't because i because i if you haven't had the same types then you're not i think that i think that choosing to barf all over yourself might be the worst solution to a bad problem i have ever heard in my life like the thickness of the sweater that i have right now yeah is way thicker than a fucking dress shirt you're coming up off you're coming up off a vest too

probably but you know uh every suit well if you have time to take your vest off you don't have to use the vest time to take your vest off they're both on you but i i'm wearing a suit with a vest each time anyway but we're dealing with we're dealing with a vest on top of a shirt regardless but that that's changing the that's moving the goalpost um the point i'm the point i'm making is the sick type consistencies are a lot of chunk yeah and a lot less fluid am i am i weird that like talking about this

kind of stuff doesn't unsettle my stomach at all no i can i can have this conversation because i'm living in this world right now yeah but i know a lot of people are yeah some people are like throwing up right now some people are skipping past this conversation yeah waiting for whatever else to happen yeah well in which case like skip two two hours forward and we're still talking about barf or we've actually just cycled back to it it's the barf episode they never stopped i'm sorry

but yeah if you're but i'm like and we've all been there everyone listening to this podcast has had to vomit and at least one of those vomits has gone bad like i assure you it's not a completely unreasonable decision to make if you're in a situation where you're like i need to minimize the explosion of this grenade right it's jumping on the grenade and if me having my suit ruined and being removed from that life right for that you know in that immediate moment for the sake of like

well that like it's a bad moment versus a fucking janitor has to come in i just don't think you're gonna save as much as you think no i here's the problem you're you're because i the the leak through i'm telling you it's not a leak okay right the the the what you're actually what you should be talking about and the danger point that you've completely ignored if i'm going to argue my own all right all right is is the the walk oh yeah it's the transport oh yeah right a single jostle

and you've now made the process way worse that's the danger zone so you're trying to keep your head down probably not be seen with it all over your fucking beard and and what not and you're holding you you're holding it up and you're trying to contain you gotta hold you gotta go hold your fists together yeah because if you are too spread apart you're leaking you're spreading you're you're risking back leak you know so you can't have that you don't want to trail and we got it we got a good we got a good comment in here that it's going to be

easier for the janitor overall if it was all in one spot instead of dripping all over the like path to the bathroom i mean at which point you if you're getting up and you it's all if it if it happens to clear everything and it's not on your shoes or whatever it's all in that one spot then i guess yeah that is there too you don't want to leak you don't want to leak it's gonna leak you don't want to leak it's going to leak you have an unrealistic view of the competence level of your shirt

what it leak yeah dude it's gonna leak for sure if you for fucking sure what if you what if you really like grab the sides and have the gravity then the then the water part of it is going to soak right through the bottom and leak out the bottom straight through whatever clothes i'll tell you what too like at the point at the point that that occurs as well if you have like i don't know let's say access to uh your girlfriend's purse okay right if you could grab a if you could grab the purse

right i would i would rather vomit all over myself thank you right thank you is expensive if you can contain into anything nearby or reinforce right so let's say you're stuck with the shirt and then you're like all right now the movement begins we're stuck where we are what can i do right is there anything around such as this purse that you can hold underneath to create a a a a a a a vacuum this is such this is a astonishingly bad idea

perhaps a shoe shoes are shoes are bad i knew somebody who vomited in someone's shoes once it was bad because it was their shoes did they deliberately aim at their shoes no they just needed to get away and vomit and ended up grabbing a random pair of shoes in a party and vomiting into those shoes only to post vomiting discover they had actually picked up their pair of shoes well that's justice then it's fair it sure is that's good karma i would hope i would grab my own pair of shoes somebody else's

could you imagine if someone did that to you yeah would you even how would you not just die from anger well i would laugh first because that's fucking crazy and then i would walk home with no shoes i would not even attempt to retrieve the shoes yeah sure i i my point is is i don't want i'm not putting that on for me it would be like this is what i get for going outside i'm not putting that on anybody i'm grabbing my own shoe you could replace but you'll throw up in

your girlfriend's purse well i mean sure i don't have a purse so if you had showed up to the party with no shoes then it would have been fine to throw up in other people's shoes no no no no no no no i'm saying in the situation in the situation where you're sitting in a church i can't and the wedding is happening and the difference is the purse or the floor why just throw up in the manger or whatever like if you can throw up in anything that can be picked up and removed from the room

that's way better than than fucking up the whole wedding willy i want you to run this story by Steph afterwards and see what she thinks that you will do in her purse will do i don't think i think she'll be like no you peek all over yourself i mean whatever replace everything in the purse that's fine no no what is that fancy blush that only was sold under a yeah we get more who cares that's oh it's easy for you to say that willy it's easy for you to say that she doesn't use that much makeup anyway

sure i know but whatever but like whatever sacred spot it's replaceable it's replaceable the difference i the container to remove from the room the safe containment versus the smell and the ruining of that moment so here's the thing that kind of strikes me how does that how does that not this this makes sense the thing that kind of strikes me about this and it might be just me but you keep mentioning the smell

vomit has a smell oh fuck well here we go here we go then the worst part of vomit is the smell because i don't think i've ever smelled it well this is now where the layer of the conversation goes somewhere else entirely when vomit goes somewhere in a room that room is gone it is it is a fucking bomb it is a grenade of of so i'm gonna point out the smell is what makes other people vomit i thought it was the view of other people vomiting

you smell it it hits you and that sense remember memory is tied strongest to smell yeah that smell that's what brings you back so here's the thing though i have i think people that are people that are confused and you should know this yeah you have a terrible smell fucking terrible sense of smell well now we're now we're astonishing now we're operating with different parameters because the sense of urgency for you is just the visual

wall and other and the and and the horror yeah right but what you're not like what you're not factoring in is you can't stand in that room to have the rest of the ceremony anymore yeah but woolly by that token it's out of your mind once it's exited your body in the vicinity the smell's still there it's it's going to be there but it's not anywhere near as strong if it doesn't hit the ground and rise right you know the whole flush toilet thing yeah right it's like that where it's the difference between

closing the lid flush in the toilet versus having it out in the open and like taking that process for the janitor to come down and the whole thing to start it's in the air at that point man the containment is a huge factor in mitigating the smell i want to say that that your your your mentality on this is noble but i don't think it would be as effective as you think it would be because the actual scent like spreading to the room even after you get someone to come in and wipe it down with all the chemicals

yeah and whatever well then you got chemical then you got chemical smell which is great on top of barf now chemical smell kills it nah man nah dude you're not i have i have you don't if you don't if you don't know what the smell of vomit is you don't know how bad this fucking heaven a astonishingly fucking terrible sense of smell it's very bad and and the risk of other people barfing is not zero yeah well i mean okay so here's the question here's my question

for you woolly about how you're gonna feel let's say you're gonna throw up right and you pull your shirt out and you start vomiting into your shirt right okay so you've succeeded and then you look up to see that upon watching and smelling you someone else has just vomited all over the floor yeah thereby completely negating any possible you did your best the world didn't work out the way okay but here's my question

yeah do you just then drop your hands and let it hit the floor probably and just go ah fuck it probably at that point you know i tried like you you really did your best and someone else didn't someone else did it and now it's all the same thing right because once it's off it's off yeah when the when the it is how do i describe it it's a it's a putrid smelling of sickness yeah right and it's not like like like butts and poops smell like whatever like sulfur bad you know and and specifically it smells like

sulfur sure and piss smells like you know like like urea yeah the ammonia the ammonia that's it um right and and barf is coming in with like the flavor of every time you've ever been sick yeah that that little like thing that you get inside your throat inside your nose the taste a little just all those bad burps that hit the back of your throat and you're like that wasn't normal that was too much something else came up there yeah right the acidity

the acidity is by far the worst you can smell the acidity yeah and it gets you and it and it just stays it's so bad it's so so bad that i'm like don't let that happen you know um that's a ruiner that's in it that's a pure ruiner and yeah if you're in a place where it doesn't fucking matter anyway if you're at a party then yeah party stir up on some person's floor and also if you're at a party again you're we're talking about alcohol right yeah but if it's a it if it's a like

sick food bar i have i have a follow-up question here and this is just my own curiosity as to your opinion you're at a party and the parties let's say the 10th floor okay you're not going to make it to the bathroom which is more socially acceptable the floor or off the balcony oh Jesus okay okay hold on because there's a dice roll okay hold on a second front balcony balcony that would overlook a pedestrian area not alleyway not alleyway

because i'll hit an alleyway yeah in a hard hit a balcony alleyway i'll hit it all and i'll i'll i'll no i'll lean out a window yeah into an alleyway in a heartbeat yeah um front yeah street no i can't okay what if the parties in a place that's really high up so you know they won't be able to like get to you like it's like you know that's not the point yeah it's not it's for me isn't it no i can't do it i can't do that that's that's fuck see here's the thing i would want to do it but i wouldn't be able to do it couldn't do it because there's like

what if i puked out there and like i it was like a punch a vomit to like an old lady walking her dog or something yeah yeah certain heights that is lethal it's that's not true that was a lie what if that was what if it's what if it's off what if it's off the top of the burge califa then what would probably not hit the crowned in any discernible what if it freezes in midair no it would probably get blown about so much that there'd just be a light mist mist that hits like a very large area

yeah probably because it's it's so high up that the winds and stuff and you'd be you know what if you puked out the window of the burge califa you would probably just have it blown right back in your face but if any and if anything was solid coming up that's still a a risk now birds will get it before it hits the ground no that birds love that that's solid that solid thing and let's say that starts to harden and freeze up yeah now what now you have a projectile on now and that wind blows it

and that piece of whatever is now solid and it and you know the friction chipped it off so now it's a spike and that's that's a death that's a potential death on your hands i don't know man i don't think i don't know in the party is rough yeah but out the window onto people live in their lives but it's possible that how about how about this compromise do you remember compromise do you remember us walking down the street of sherbrooke near the vantome metro like five years ago and a water balloon hit

the ground behind us i will never forget it it was not five years ago it wasn't it was a much longer time way longer than that it was like eight years years ago and i still talk about it to this day to this day to this day i was telling somebody um this just popped into my mind i was telling someone about that this weekend yeah because we were talking about how horrible toronto gets and my friend was and and and my friend told me about how he got egged yeah he just got egged walking around toronto for no reason

and uh i i brought up the fact that uh yeah one time walking around uh just a water balloon regular water balloon full water blue what was it what was it water yeah it was the liquid was dark look like water it was low evening so it was it was hard to identify sunsetty but it looked like it hit the stick it hit the sidewalk and the sidewalk looked darker than it would if it were just water and i remember being like what's up with that and yeah and i it was

i was walking in the back so it almost hit me but like i still had like a photo clearance but like you know almost and then the most confusing thing is that we all stopped looked at that and then started scanning the skies all the all the rooftops yep no viable rooftops nothing include the one right next to us was it was an abandoned building like there was no window you could have leaned out of everything was closed i i think i think because it fell from the sky it definitely did not come from

a car no anything like that right i think it's a it's a fucking mystery but i i i suspect that somebody had a crazy ass slingshot oh and was just doing it and from a pretty crazy distance away like you know a block or two over some just slingshot at something in a random direction yeah right because it came it came down on it was it was so weird and it couldn't have been any buildings near us it's right next to the overpass too so there were no whole high buildings in

that area i'll never forget it was the weirdest fucking thing you know and you're like fucking cowards come at me right there were no cowards but there was none none to be seen it was very clear that no one was around us to have launched it no no snickers no closing windows no yeah if it was dumbass kids on the roof next to us right they had somehow climbed up onto the roof of the abandoned building you would hear laughing for sure they would at least stick their head out enough to see the impact

yeah nothing right because that you know one throws it and stops looking and see oh did it hit someone i don't know why would you go through the exercise to not see the fruits of your labor yeah so that makes no sense i'm thinking it was a crazy ass slingshot that that fucking came from like across a street yeah or something wild that's the only theory the only way that makes sense can't imagine anything else i think about that like every couple weeks oh yeah

oh yeah it stays a proper fucking unsolved mystery stays with me and you have to think about what kind of slingshot they would need for that because the slingshot theory i only started circulating a couple years ago you can you can throw those a couple hundred yards man well i've seen that you see those videos of like the person that like gets the fucking uh goalposts yeah just pulls a thing back and lets it rock and you're like oh the that's that's travel so someone with one of those or any any kind of any kind of like

verticality to it you know yeah because it would have had to clear the nearby buildings yeah that's my theory on it my answer that's a good that's a pretty decent working theory i've spent way too much of my life thinking about that moment and then what could have happened there like real talk it's stuck with me fucking hard and the fact that it was the liquid was so dark if it was just water that'd be one thing but the liquid was dark i've had water balloon fights i've had i've had fucking

you know we like at church we we had a couple of those and like improvised water balloon fights okay yeah right plastic bag in it you have to whip somebody's super hard with that yeah well what you do what you do i remember i i was i was teaching my brother about this but you you you put the water in the bag and then you like tie it like real tight with the with the air like in like a you know so it's a nice and then you whip it and then it pops on somebody and then it like spreads so it's like it's almost like a

mace yeah it's like a water mace or a water flail that sounds way more brutal than a water balloon i mean it it it's not but you if you get him in the head or something then like yeah gary she's i'm sure i talked about this before but do you do you ever know a kid that had one of those band super soakers no i i saw the commercials for the giant fucking uh the sumo wrestler one yeah but i don't know about like there was one i remember i forget i forget the name of it but it was this

fucking thing anybody who grows up at the time probably saw this thing my friend had this it was really long it was like a rifle and it was gray with the orange tip and purple like globes on the on the back the spf fucking fuck yourself and it held a lot of water and the way the pressure worked i don't remember but it would hit you and it would sting and it would leave a mark it would it hurt it fucking hurt children and uh i'm sure some people cps 2000 it was it was it too i was gonna say the 5000 yeah

this it was the cps 2000 let me just make sure the sumo the sumo one the commercial was a kid pumping it up and holding back a sumo wrestler and you saw the dent on his skin as the water was spraying it to him yeah this it was definitely the cps 2000 and if i remember correctly but i might not there was a fucking one that came out after that that was advertised as being twice as strong that did not last the eye remover well because do you remember the way super soaker manufactured their shit back in the day

every single one that came out the commercial said that it was twice as strong as the one before yeah and it was an exponential power increase and the cps line because the super soakers were always better than normal water guns because they used water air pressure yeah whereas normal water guns just fucking jizzed out some stupid fucking flops yeah and and the cps line like you got to compress those pumps right so it was more than just pressure it was like

it well i mean it was pressure but like it really you get that and you'd hear how you'd hear how much the water didn't want to leave in there and i remember when you'd empty out your your container in the transparent ones you could still see the mist forming on the edge of the glass or not the glass of the plastic because like it was compressing the air so fucking tight you know okay so my friend did not have the 2000 he must have had the 1000 or something like that because the 1000 hurt like shit and then the 2000 came

out and was labeled as twice as powerful and it didn't last yeah it was taken off the market because if you got hit in the eye you would go blind you're gone yeah absolutely and it was all about distance was at first bullshit was about distance first it was about distance because the because the the the supersokers would be able to aim accurately from really far away and then it just became not though that power the impact you know and like and it was a very clear transition especially by

the time the cps line came out because yeah fucking you were firing at these from one foot away i mean bat like the first fucking supersokers were just way better than average water guns yeah way better and average water guns would be garbage by the time you got to the last couple shots yeah terrible flaccid you know but these were long and strong and you fucking kept them going yeah hurt your children with this shit yeah man and and and it doesn't even take like

like you're gonna get hit in the eye yeah for random spray shots are gonna get you a normal water gun in the eye you go ah fuck ah i got water in my you know it's not great yeah yeah yeah those things were those were intense it was that was an era that will never come again which is the era of like laughably dangerous children's products well like i don't think any we any fucking did you ever know a kid whose dad had lawn darts uh no the most lethal object to ever exist we've also lived uh beyond the era of home uranium mercury kits

yeah so to be honest we'll never know how bad it could possibly get literally home nuclear fucking kit to learn how uh nuclear energy works oops here's your own little bit of enriched uranium oops please enjoy i will you know yeah so so hey listen we've been able to talk about all this crap for 52 minutes and neither of us have vomited or shit our pants and this the topic started as a warning you

were going to long windedly get to yeah which was that we might get up and go use the bathroom yeah we might but i'm three i'm three days i'm not long way yeah i am i'm three days past it now so like it's on its tail end the dregs or whatever but it's still like yeah so the pain is mostly gone um the nausea is mostly gone like Tylenols keep the headaches fine for a few hours but like my body is not yet done uh drying itself out so speak yeah you know uh you got better soon buddy yeah

you need your fluid you need your fluid you know why you need your fluid if hey anybody at home electrolytes too who fucking would throw up and you would get frustrated with your mom or dad being like drink water and you're like no the water will make me throw up you you want to have something to throw up the dry is the worst human experience that exists pretty painful you can feel your insides twisting and contorting it's so bad it's not great um tell you what i did though uh when i when i got when i hit when that bad

food hit yeah um well i couldn't do anything at the moment but the the next morning uh went right to walmart found out that they do sell activated charcoal pills oh does it help uh charcoal is really good in it depends on the type of uh so i've talked about drinking charcoal before yeah uh to which uh everyone was like what and then i discovered it was a totally real thing yes and uh so depends on whether it's a bacterial or like viral type infection bacterial the helps i assume um it because it kills the living the virus

nothing's gonna help it kills the living yeah right um in that way so uh yeah it usually if you can get to it pretty quickly it'll do a good job of like stopping that irritation right almost almost immediately okay really really fast that's lucky um and again the story i told before was about how i called my mom insane with her dumb home remedy of like not even home remedy over with her like because i was just one of them like is this one of these like yeah ridiculous like church story remedy things you're going to bring

there's like not it fucking worked yeah no it's the thing i brought it up to my mom so yeah i'm like all right it's just it's an old person thing that we are you going to use the word toxins when you're talking to me you know um but then uh it turns out that yeah not only does work works extremely well and then once it's once it does that the garbage is still in your body and then it's just got to spend the rest of its time getting out yeah but you can get rid of a lot of that pain right off the bat so uh i went and grabbed some of those in addition

to like a bunch of other fucking to grab any crystals i didn't grab any crystals no magnets didn't uh didn't catch any of that at the pharmaceutical section um do you believe they fucking sell those magnetic wristbands that like pharma pre yes that's bullshit they also sell uh water that had been sitting in medicine oh oh that has the memory the memory of being medicine anyway um it's and it'll never be at least the at least with the pills it's like it's like a it just goes into your system and then does its thing

like the idea of mixing it into water and drinking is just too weird for most people because yeah it makes your teeth look black your tongue is black and then that's a whole thing it's a whole thing but fuck me if it doesn't save your life also it you can't shake the idea of like i'm eating dirt yeah but it's and it has no flavor it doesn't taste like anything right it water tastes like water but like you you will chug it the next time you're in pain with how fast it kicks in you know um don't don't knock the charcoal

um but yeah we did not talk about our weeks so i guess we can do that i mean a good portion of your week has actually been being violently ill it really it was not as violent as it could have been but well i mean hey small miracles right yeah uh what i do at my week uh i pussed around i played some video games uh i don't have much to say about league this week other than it finally gave me an experience i have legit maybe i'm a masochist or an idiot but i remember the golden age of xbox live

where some dude have the toxins finally kicked in highest shit and had his baby crying in the background call me every name under the sun and be a bad teammate as i just giggle at how stupid he is have you hit blight town oh boy oh boy you know it's not as it's not as toxic as i as i expected you were first at first you were saying you expected a lot and then i was expecting you said you didn't encounter any i didn't encounter much because it is it is a process it's a it's a so one they did they did clean up the game

a little bit by uh by default the other team is muted you have to turn that off so that saves you a little bit and now at the end well that means you're looking for it yeah you turn that off so you can see it um and then you know at the end of the game there's only three accommodations you can give your team oh good shot calling good leadership stayed cool under pressure or really friendly gg like that's the old it's all positive shit you not vote you cannot vote right which sometimes you do because wow

everyone in the smash was an asshole um and they have a report function that is very it's like were they afk were they feeding were they uh feeding feeding it so you gain a lot you gain experience every time you die to an enemy sorry they gain experience every time you die oh they were giving the enemies so the the the worst thing you can do when you're like fuck this game is just walk your ass into death every time over and over and over which makes the guy unstopably stronger and then they you lose okay it's a it's a form of afk

griefing that's active it's it's weird yeah just just walk to your doom so like as as opposed to just quitting the game it would be easier to win the game if you left this is making sure your team is gonna win that's right he's gonna lose lose yeah uh so it's all positive but then the other thing is like okay so you know you level up in these games and they have the hidden matchmaking things so you only really start getting into real players a couple dozen matches in and a couple

dozen matches in all of a sudden it was one night to the next all of a sudden just oh you're so mad oh you're so mad wait do people do people seriously threaten mid or feed is that yes is that a thing so woolly if you don't let woolly i'm gonna pull up i'm gonna feed woolly i'm gonna pull up a screenshot off my twitter okay what a dickish thing oh it's it's unbelievable so so when you when you uh sign up for your rank match right it's not you know

you're you're signing up ideally you pick two roles that you'd like to play right there's top middle bottom and then support and jungle and when you load into your uh draft match your ranked match it will assign you the role it will say you've been assigned the top lane you've been assigned the but whatever right right away arguments of fuck i don't want to play top the game made me play top i don't want to does anyone want to switch no because everyone else got what they wanted

they're like i don't want to play top and then the it takes like three four minutes of everyone to get their loadouts and choose their things and then it counts down matchmaking has been cancelled because another player left the game you get that like a couple times a night for sure right but then my favorite my favorite is people who they're like i'm gonna play this role i don't care what the game tells me i'm gonna play or whatever one else is gonna play i'm i'm gonna

i'm gonna play the role i want which leads to situations such as the one yeah i think i saw it you saw that one i'm a guy loading in going what the fuck are you doing pat i'm jungle i don't know no you're not i'm jungle and then he leaves the game like that which incurs a huge matchmaking penalty like a really really long like you can't play the game and guarantees a loss for everybody right but my favorite my favorite by far by far is the other team shit these games are long they're 25 to 45 minutes long

and can have turnarounds and the shit talk starts at the 26 minute mark and it will continue all the way up until that person loses and then in the post match screen you get gems like well we only lost because you scored more you you guys suck we and it's like just pure a post match has oh wait no you've turned off the no post match always has a chat room the group always okay so people salt can fucking go and it is fucking incredible to watch the the person shit talking for almost an hour

suddenly retreat into you guys are trash it's my favorites it's my favorite form of scrub quote which is you are trash and bad at this game in brackets guy who lost guy who lost yeah and i i almost never got angry xbox live messages back in the street fighter four days really yeah and i won some matches and sometimes you know um i wonder why that is i i don't know i i you know my my memories of toxic behavior are all really old they're all like uh a fucking

david defeat and counter strike and you know like 1998 1999 2000 i don't know how i don't know how deep you got into them trenches but um there is you get i feel like you get more the further you get in before you hit like um i don't know whatever you would call like a legit player level quote unquote yeah well it keeps moving yeah right so whatever that is when it starts is going to be different after a different time it keeps moving but there's always a magic sweet spot where

you're past the herd and it started to thin out and you're into the players who get the game and people who have enough ego to think that they're they should be winning all the time yeah and that's where those messages and you know i played i played modern warfare i played fucking um battlefield on console on the xbox and more often than not i didn't get toxic shit i got annoying people i got like little kid you know just being annoying or a guy playing his music too loud so you can't so you can't pick your

role unless you switch with someone else yeah if you want if you want if you say because what happens is sometimes but you can do a matchmaking preference yeah you do matchmaking preference but it's not guaranteed because the i mean the desires yeah if everybody wants the same right so what you can do is you can load in and go hey i don't want i'm not very good as top does anyone want to go top and say the guy who's playing mid goes i'm i could go top yeah right and that happens sometimes some people say um hey hey i have never played this role ever

can someone please god switch with me and then they'll switch so when i when i when i imagine a version of this game a MOBA in my head yeah there is three lanes yeah and there's a middle one that is different from the other two yeah um but aren't the other two like a left and right or are there is a really a difference between top and bottom the basic deal is that it's uh the MOBA map is a diamond more or less and the reason why the mid lane is so preferable is because all the really high damage characters get to go live in the night yeah but why would left or

right slash top or bottom because they're longer uh different from each other oh different from each other well the the top and bottom one are about like 50 longer than the middle one sure the difference between the top and bottom one is that the top one is next to this objective which is the baron and the bottom one is next to a different objective called the dragon okay just a different gameplay that those come into play at different minute marks okay um so one of the things is that

the of the usual game plan is that two people go on the bottom because the dragon spawns in at like five minutes like super super early and it gives you a huge team-wide buff for the whole game if you kill it so it's important that your team gets it so you usually have two v two down there and one v one up top and one v one in the middle and then one guy roaming around um so you get these weird dynamics where hey i want to play support well supports are supposed to go bottom to support the the the the bottom lane adc character

adc oh my god it's the worst term ever out of all the moba terms i've ever heard adc is the worst term ever and it's so bad that they're trying to get rid of it like the game is trying to kill the term it stands for attack damage carry and it's insanely old and attack damage means the the guys that do mostly do damage auto attacks and it's called a carry because they used to be or at least it's to degree r they would scale infinitely over the course of the match so if your attack damage carry got really good

then by the end they can just solo the whole other team they're like they're gonna win they're gonna carry for you are you describing dps kind of but the middle is also dps so okay tanks are usually top yeah oh yeah dude the terminology is is a it's a different language it's it's it's it's fucking crazy um but you get you go support and it is kind of a fascinating how regardless of game if there is a character that is a support

or healer in a game they are on the bottom of everyone's shoes in the in the the general consensus why'd i die supports fall how come we didn't get that supports fall how come we lost the game supports fall and like it's astonishing because every failure could have been prevented if you healed me or or moved me out of the way cleansed my stun away yeah and it's not and it's not and it's not yeah and uh if you're a pseudo if you're like like Zarya for example

you still eat that grief and the funniest thing is that i played a bunch of matches as support and a couple in the bottom and what i discovered is that the vast majority of support players are way better than the characters they're explicitly teamed with who they're supposed to save and protect and all that there was there was that comic uh of the mercy like where it's like where i think it was something along the lines of like how other players see the the the healers yeah like

heal slight yeah it's just like flying around like yes here whatever you need and then like according to the healers part of you it's just like they're smoking jesus fucking christ i hate you people zap zap zap how about you not fucking zap keep dying you fuck zap you know uh it's it's it's cool to me to see that these awful parts of the way games work are totally universal all you need is the roles yeah um and it's the same as it would be in 14 or destiny or any other game i played is that certain

archetypes will attract certain types of players in the vast majority of my games the guy who goes top lane is chill and will not shit talk anyone the guy in mid way more likely to be a piece of shit the guy going bottom almost guaranteed to be a piece of shit like it's crazy and it's so fucking funny because most of the grief that i've gotten is from your team i had a i had a guy scream at me for an entire 45 minute

match because i stole a kill from him in a team game so i i i suspect based on your description right i have a theory uh what if what you're seeing is remember how we talked about like yeah you got a team to blame right yeah so what you're seeing is the moment a rage quit would happen except there is no rage quit happening rage quits don't happen so what you're seeing is the forced continued interface yeah it's it's fucking fast someone

who would have already ego checked out it's it's so the matchmaking penalty for quitting is bad it's it's aggressive so no one quits games and because it's dedicated server and everyone's gonna like if there's no confusion as it would be in a purely versus game so you have people that hate you yeah that hate you yeah being forced to keep playing a losing game yeah that's gonna make people fucking mad oh yeah and and exactly and like the point at which all chill was lost if it were a different type of game

they could have just exited so there's two but that's gone now that's the craziest part there's two there's the moment chill would have been lost regardless right and then there's the second part because at the 15 to 20 minute mark you're able to type in slash surrender and before 20 minutes it needs to be unanimous and after 20 minutes it has to be a majority but if that one guy who's real mad is the only one who wants to surrender the game he's now stuck in the game for another 20 minutes

and that's when the second possible chill is like decimated and that's when they go really crazy and start screaming about how we're wasting their time and how it's going to be a loss and that's when they feed because they're just trying to make the game and faster they're and like and what's the penalty for reporting somebody for feeding if you if if you get enough reports for the same behavior

in a row you get a ban and the ban can be temporary or permanent what this creates however so League of Legends is a free game right yep and bans are handed out regularly for toxic behavior and all this stuff make a new account but what this means is that that that first ranking that first tier is filled with all the banned assholes who got new accounts and it is just like this fucking miasmic pool and that's the new player experience it's the new player experience so when you

said you didn't run into anyone toxic the first little while because then I was playing with brand new players and once I got good enough to win a couple games I was being matched with people who were of a similar skill level or whatever but who had played the game and gotten banned maybe interesting so the game records all sorts of shit it records your apm it record all these secret stats you know and tries to detect smurfs and we'll just push them up but you hit that moment before you get to rank play

because you got to go one to thirty before you're even allowed to play ranked and once you get close to when from that 20 to 30 that that in between right before you hit ranked that's when the scum starts to come out and it's scum it is scum I love it have you ever had have you had any matches where somebody was in that tilt and then try to surrender but then you won yes what happens they leave the instant the match is over like you go to the match complete screen and they're already gone

nothing to say nothing to say and it's like the fuck you you give everybody the commendations and then you hit that report person and there's reporting for verbal abuse negative attitude griefing afk cheating etc ever get an apology nope never never um and it's like the system works because if you're a real asshole you get to the end and every member of your teammate will report you and I assume that when the moderation thing comes out and comes every person in this game

reported this person for being an asshole yep they go look at it and they go oh what what a fucking I have been called every name under the sun at this point all of them including the non-applicable racial ones can you queue ranked with friends totally and it's a terrible idea it's a terrible idea the matchmaking system in these team games has a problem that does not exist in solo games because and that is hey I'm gonna I'm gonna queue up for for ranked or whatever right and then it's like

all right I got queued up with people approximately close to my match making skill right hey I'll play with my buddy Justin okay he hasn't played in a couple years but you know he used to play a lot all right we're gonna get ranked up with ideally another party too and some randoms it's a little uneven but okay I'm gonna play with three of my friends that stopped playing league of legends five years ago okay well guess what happens you're getting

matched up against essentially pros with tens of thousands of matches okay well I'm not I'm not throwing a condition on who your friends are I'm just saying in general you don't have to solo queue you don't have solo queue good in ranked you can solo and I think you can do oh and I think there's a new thing they're doing where you can do a team of five and it's like a tournament because um solo queuing in in overwatch was just cancer yeah and uh yeah you know what you know yeah you know you know the feeling I played apex yeah I know the deal oh my

god apex yeah I know the deal apex is so so it's it's go get your friends or don't apex is so good but it's so bad like and by don't I mean don't play yeah get your friends or don't play league totally hits that point because the longer you play in the higher you go the longer the matchmaking time becomes so yeah I was talking longer you play and the higher you go the longer the matchmaking becomes because there's less people there's less people that are that good yeah so once you hit diamond uh people are telling me that the the

diamonds the the top 45 minute queue time for a 45 minute match but it means that if somebody gets if you get into that game and somebody starts to feed because fuck you that's the worst you have to wait wait wait stop league of legends that's not true one of the most popular things ever I'm wrong that's insane that's what I was told I was told that once you get up to like diameter challenger you can get long queue time that's insane

that's yeah I'm like what plat two is like five minutes okay well fuck me then okay fine like I'll take that like like people are sitting on a loading screen for an hour to get a game out that's I'm gonna go blame that one guy that told me that wonderful like this is not min trying to get a all the trophies in in senko no ronde well he I don't I don't want to talk about how men plays games that's not a human being way to play games he's not normal when he plays the games it's a very unique perspective oh that's

a good way to phrase it and I'm I'm I'm open to the the hearing about the experience that he has going into games because he's looking for oftentimes the complete opposite of what I'm looking for and uh even in games where it is not about like the grind he will find a way he will find a grind find a grind yeah and I'm running away from the grind when it's uh but the grind is a bad way to describe it I'm looking for the

the whatever you know me it's the same shit you're looking for fun no but like I'm down I'm down with a grind where the elements coming at me change yeah because I have to adapt I'm not down with a grind where it's the same element yeah what that makes whatever you know we've had this discussion yeah yeah but that's that's playing the game versus the grind yeah like the grind is necessitated by its repetition right I'm not going to kill a slime in the grass to hit level 99 I will kill 99 slimes of different

colors in the grass yeah if each one comes at me with a different thing mm-hmm I'll spend the same time I'll learn the 99 slimes I'll say enjoy Death Stranding because yeah you're going to grind some shit well no no I that's not a hard fast rule I'm just describing my preferences obviously we're human beings I bend a little bit one way or the other depending on we're not human beings well they were cartoons we are cartoons but um you know I have there's obviously exceptions in cases where like that

game is not at all like that but I still enjoyed it but for the most part as a as a as a quick summary of events yeah min finds a way so to close out the I guess this week week's league whatever um your advice according to apex for I think it's the one that it stuck with me the hardest of play with your friends or don't play at all is has actually served me really poorly with league and it has entirely to do with my personality when I play with my buddies my buddies we're usually getting matched up against

stronger players and they kind of get bummed out and I feel pressure to do well so I don't let my pals down you know I want to stall win the game and it's kind of a negative experience when I play by myself completely by myself I don't give a fuck about these people I don't care if we fucking lose and if they get pissed at me I'm giggling all the way to the end it's hilarious I think it might be because I'm an asshole I have a I have a sneaking suspicion

that I I get more enjoyment out of people going on tilt than the average person and I don't have to tilt them myself either like I can just coexist you said that ping systems in the game it is it's it's all right you can ping uh just click on a thing that says hey target this or you can click on you can say there are enemies missing this area is dangerous I'm on my way to this location or for fuck's sake please help me which is really all you need you also ping on your uh on your task on your

your your abilities to say like hey guys my alt's gonna be up in 10 seconds stuff like that yeah yeah you don't need to talk how often do you run into someone who's like not full-on toxic crusader yeah but like like but the passive aggressive aura is never always full no passive aggressiveness you don't get the person who just scoffs at like the decisions you make no okay no it's it's it's zero to a hundred right away okay it's never like hey why are you using that

maybe it would be better for this you know it's always like what the fuck are why are you feeding oh my god top is so fed we're gonna lose because top is so fed who went top this terminology top is fed top is fed as fuck woolly okay yeah all right it's stupid it's really dumb so let me tell you a little story that i told on my stream the other day about terms so there's your jungler who goes and kills enemies in the brush right and uh they this guy starts to yell and

he goes hey hey support support hey bot hey hey can i please get a leash and i go leash question mark because i don't know what that is and he just starts pinging this spot on the map like crazy like crazy okay and i walk over and i'm there and the bottom guy is there and the jungler is there and we're all just waiting till the one minute 30 mark when a monster will spawn and he goes okay leash leash leash and like i'm asking him what leash is and he just says no leash

okay so i'm playing a character that has a hook named thresh has a really long range hook that pulls people out of the way so when they start fighting i hook the fucking guy and pull the the monster like way down the the corridor right because i think that's what he wants me to do and now him and the bottom start just script what are you doing what the fuck are you doing you're ruining it stop it i then take a look and go on my phone and ask people

what is leash because i thought leash was to grab with the hook because i'm a hook character no leash is to help that guy kill that mob why is it called leash couldn't find out come on there's got to be there's got to be a history there has to be right okay but i don't know what it is and you asked and they didn't want to tell me they were just like just do it and it's like fun time and so that game was toxic the whole

time as a result because support is feeding support is griefing i have a really important question to follow up there yeah ping system yeah characters talk or the are the game talks no a icon will show up and it will have text written underneath it when like when it says i'm on my way yeah right you do that it'll ping a green marker and it'll say the name of your character underneath it okay when you ask for help you it just says assist me it literally says assist me on the map

it doesn't say leash me no okay no if he had fucking pinged and just said assist me i would have been able to go okay i'll just hit him i'll hit him one couple times but he did ping no he typed in chat leash leash leash but then you said he pinged a spot on oh yeah he pinged the spot not the assist me spot just the generic location he just did a ping ping ping yeah i'm like okay location ping yeah so so there were a million ways so easy because i mean i'm like you could have looked at the

at the thing he could have taken dude when he said that you have to wait 90 seconds for that thing to spawn there's so much time to actually explain what the fuck you're talking about because i've played a game of uh i played a game of of apex where i was playing with uh it was me solo and two uh people speaking uh portuguese and at a point where one of them was yelling something yeah uh they pinged yeah and then it was like oh yeah um fucking hop up or you know what i mean whatever it was oh yeah okay

game thank you so oh no the tools are there the tools are there cool there's something really special however about going into all chat and commiserating with the enemy team about bad players like there's something really nuts because like you can get like four people to report you by being a real asshole but you got to be a real special piece of shit to get nine people in a game or for you like i was in a game last night where the the enemy team went hey guys good get like a couple minutes before we finish

hey guys good game but can you report our support they've sat in the back the whole game and you hit tab you see somebody's level and you see yeah sure enough that person has not played in 35 minutes they've just been sitting there so um you've you've had the full experience at this point not quite there's still more there's still more there's still more toxic that i can get into i'm finding out new things every day that being said this is much more than a toe dip at this point like clearly oh games great having fun in there

the game's great it's a shame right so evil and the ability to sink ours has been provided yeah i will say there are two parts of this that i really wish i had known about before i started playing and they they have explicitly to do with being a content creator if people know your name they can go look up the history and stats of every match you've ever played yeah people have been jpegging that shit on the reddit yeah i didn't know that until i saw that everyone's following your every move

and went okay and then i was hanging out in my sub discord and a guy's like man pats really pats uh adc in this match is going really bad i'm like i'm playing the match right now and sure enough there are third-party websites that will allow you to spectate any match at any time at any time it will be multiple minutes delayed because of cheating but i'm like oh so if i play league of legends at any time of the day people can watch it and then

commiserate over my stats to the nth degree later it would have been different had i known that before starting to play but finding out about it in the middle of games is like creepy right like if it said hey by the way people could totally watch your matches i'm like okay shrug they can't see your chat is there um they can't see your chat which is important yeah is there is there a streamer mode where it hides no streamer mode is playing on a second

account okay that nobody knows about make a smurf which i don't care because like yeah hey guys guess what i lose a lot of matches but it's one of those things like i genuinely wish it told you up front like hey by the way this shit is like it's not even about privacy it's about like i wouldn't think people will be able to look this shit up um because like i'll go into a discord and be people like wow pats been on a losing streak today i'm like jesus christ that's

fucking weird like i'm supposed to go in there and go hey i lost a bunch of games today like you met like like i i i don't mean i don't mean to beat the dead horse on the fighting games because you imagine like if you just had the ability to put a person's name in and watch every match as it happened you can as it happened as it happened now replay replay tracking depending on your game is a thing yeah motherfuckers can hit that cfn and go see how you've been doing um yeah but uh yeah i'm having a blast with it

i absolutely that sounds you sound very much in i have put more hours into that this week than anything else um now here's my question um do you so do you just because you play time sink games i do i play time sink games too but i want you to define time sink because time sink can mean multiple things you can you can be talking about your games as a service style mmo rpg kind of thing like destiny or fun fancy but like fighting games and competitive games are time sinks of

their own nature yeah they just don't have permanent progression yes um the permanent progression is in you is in you yeah so permanent progression to infinity yeah with no end in sight is kind of the thought process yeah that i was going for um do you just kind of for example wait until something new drops in a war frame this or let's say the way that it the way that it used to shadow bringers gets a follow-up um the way that it works right now

is that for final fantasy i am always going to make sure to always have a character at cap always have a character that's geared up and i play uh with my my gang of buddies every sunday night uh presumably forever uh doing something in that game but that's really primarily because i want an excuse to hang out with those people at once a week but and that's the game that everybody plays um for destiny when i was playing destiny and fall fancy destiny was i played destiny when

fall fancy ran out of shit and then i'd switch off to fall fancy when destiny ran out of shit to do with this uh this uh is warframe in there as well not anymore okay the warframe has had a really slow update cycle for a year year and a half now it's they they're okay but it's still it but but it still comes amounts to wait for update yeah wait for update for now yeah but also i'm not interested in the next update switch to switch to other game uh for league it has

been like that game is a a weird static thing like it's it's always going to be the way it is to a certain degree um but i have there are so many fucking characters in this stupid game like dota has the same thing where there are over 140 i still have not literally seen two-thirds of the cast once like they're the the matchup shit is just like it'll take me an entire night to learn how to play one character half decent

but that's not even against any particular matchup that's right uh so this fits in a nice like hey man i just want to play a game for an hour or two and then boop and the way that you unlock heroes i actually haven't spent any money still because they're very generous with their unlocks oh yeah i i i imagine um i imagine you get way way way like not ankle be a way beyond the ankle deep you get it up to the waist before you're like okay now i need to i feel like i want to spend a bit of money i

mentioned it right that's the that's the most successful way to get people because like at that point look how far you've waited in yeah they're in the swamp at uh the the trick that they use is that you're not allowed to play ranked until you have 20 characters now the tutorial to ranked process will get you easily 20 and there's like 14 free ones every week in those count so you would really only need like uh six or seven to have but when you get in a ranked wins and

losses are going to come as a result of you knowing how every single character in the game plays and you are not allowed to practice on characters that you don't own really there's no no and the practice mode is relatively recent so hey man i like to play master yee and master yee for my experience i might be wrong because i'm just bad gets blown up for fucking free by nocturne right well i don't know how nocturne fucking works i can look it up but that's not the same

as actually doing it well nocturne's one of the free ones this week so i'll play as him oh man this is how i should buy nocturne and that's that's how it goes the other thing that they do is every new hero that comes out is overpowered like period yeah this is uh this is all of course very similar to fighting games but um what uh what you you don't have the ability to practice yeah so there's a a practice tool where you can go in with you know a empty map and put in training dummies and

yeah uh you aren't only allowed to practice with the heroes that you own okay or are free that week uh so don't know how to get around this guy don't know what makes him strong wait till he's free on rotation buy him or go fuck yourself or go watch videos it's not the same like you know it's like you learn how to learn how to defend against guile's bullshit while never knowing what guile feels like it's it's just not the it

uh i most of my matchups are learned without touching sure but i guess what i mean is is that like like if you asked me to play a character i didn't know how to play if you if you asked me to play anybody random like a random character in uh a guilty gear i could not do anything with them i guess it's it's it is the same thing as anything competitive but it just feels stronger because attack ranges are a bigger thing and it's just like the the biggest lesson that i learn on how to deal with something is to try and do it and get annoyed that it

didn't work because i'm bad and then i go oh i should just do with this asshole just did to me when i'm that you know that kind of thing uh but yeah overall having a blast big big fun game game i didn't have a blast with but it is fantastic it's called pathologic 2 have you heard about this uh fucking mandalore and h bomber guy been singing his praises this game has the weirdest difficulty uh selection that i've ever seen and that you start pathologic 2 and it was apparently added in a patch that

they had difficulty options at all and then there's three and then there's the last one is just the hardest difficulty is just called intended and the text is pathologic 2 is is supposed to be an almost unbearable miserable experience please trust us and pick this difficulty option okay so you pick it and it's an open world rpg kind of thing in which uh every single day you have 12 days in game and every single day is exactly two hours of real time long in which you are suffering from thirst hunger

exhaustion uh and immunity to a plague as you run around this city and events in the city will trigger at certain times whether you are there or not and try and fucking solve this plague bullshit and like every aspect of the game is stressful and miserable i don't know where to go i'm sprinting through the streets to try and get somewhere now i'm i'm i'm fucking so thirsty and now i'm hated because people suspect me of a murder so they attacked me in the street so then i kill the guy then i'm harvesting his organs and then i

sell the organs to a fish guy but then the fish guy doesn't have any lockpicks so i gotta go to the kids but they're all the way across town and if i go all the way across town the guy in the north end of town that's dying from a stab wound i might not get there and it's like it's such an aggressive timer with resource and survival stuff and it is also russian so the tone and the dialogue is fucking weird as shit so there's a like a repeating day cycle yeah it's it's 12 days with events that

and every day gets worse major's mask no no way the samurai way the samurai okay every day gets worse and uh there are aspects of like you're broke so you desperately want to have enough money to buy a gun she saved up all this money to buy a gun and then you have money left over but then the plague gets so bad the next day that nobody takes money anymore they only take food which you sold to get money and then well you have all this medicine but you give it to the NPC that you like and you give it to yourself and it's just like

it is it is a game about constantly failing at everything and it is so fucking stressful as i play it i'm like this game is so well made it is so interesting it is so especially for like a weird russian eurojank game it's really polished and really well made but it is like like just sweating the whole time that sounds interesting and i don't know if i'll ever be able to go play it again what are your meters your your meters are immunity from disease uh sleep food and thirst which is

also your sprint bar because the more you sprint the more thirsty you get and i'm like oh why is thirst even a meter it's so easy and then it's like well later in the game water sources become tainted so it's not that easy and like the i did a stream of it which was two hours and i was really short because it was a disaster like i was doing everything wrong i operated on the sky i almost took his gut i almost took his heart out by accident like it is built to fuck with people like me

like people who want to make all the numbers even and complete things and go things in order like it is built to fuck with you so to make it to the end is is a rare end i don't know about that because you can't permanently die or fail you die and then you're allowed to come back to life and they will cripple one of your stats permanently and as a death penalty okay and as and every time you die and screw up it will it will fuck you harder wow okay but like that 12 days you're describing yeah when they end there is an end it ends

well i don't know i haven't beaten it but the game is exactly 24 hours long but will you what what i mean is is like when you die you respawn from where you were with that penalty yeah but but like until you reach the end of that 12 days yeah it won't end and end yeah okay and like you know i was so exhausted at the beginning of the game that i had to go to sleep and i slept for six hours and then i had a vision going stop sleeping you're gonna miss important plot events and screw the game up okay and i woke up and i was

still exhausted but i got it's like fucking yeah it's a it's such a fucking radical game that i think i hate okay okay yeah i mean if it's if it's definitely one of those like oh you're not gonna figure this out until the end throne yeah then then sir like hey the developer's intention is that the game is miserable and almost unbearable to play and they completely succeeded that i mean it almost like cuz you know like it's almost like a like a rogue like ish or binding a

visic type thing where you're like making it to the end is like rare and special but it's not because you will you'll just make it to the end and everything will have gone to shit but everything's gonna go to shit but it's i only played two three hours okay well whatever the whatever the accomplishment that you're supposed to uncover slash and it's extra weird because the game starts at the in the the final like 10 minutes of the final day in which the town is on fire and everyone's getting shot by soldiers and

the plague is everywhere and everyone you know is dead and they go you want to do over you're like yes i would like one do over please and it's got this weird theater presentation like spotlights appear on characters in world and there's a like oh my god so fucking weird i like anything that that runs with that type of calendar i'm assuming the goal is to like fix the timeline i guess it doesn't seem possible from what i played like even even feeding myself was okay even like

fucking ridiculous yeah pathologic too it's it's the worst it's the most horrible thing it'll make you cry go play it it's good with a k right pathologic no no okay no what am i thinking of i think that's a movie i think there's a movie that yeah maybe that has that yeah but uh oh you know what else last week right after the podcast page and i went and saw knives out you seen it no you like murder mysteries uh yeah and i heard about i heard of unfortunately because i never heard of this movie until someone was talking

about it and they spoiled a small twist yeah there's a lot yeah it's really good it's a good murder mystery yeah daniel craig does a admiral bowl kentucky accent yeah which is weird it's weird the whole time i heard i heard i heard one thing about that which is an unexpected thing um that happens around half an hour in that's fine and then oh that yeah don't worry about it okay not even important okay uh yeah great murder mystery

great great great everybody everybody big stars everybody's a big star in that movie like you got michael shannon and jamie lee curtis haven't seen a trailer haven't seen great perfect go see it it's good it's a good movie it's about murder cool that detective shit it reminds it it you ever see the old clue movie uh no but i i've you listen to you guys talk about it because it's so similar to that that a character remarks that this mansion's like the clue mansion like it's it's very overt yeah i've heard

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to run away you have time to get something yeah you're right it's a complete nonsense new advice if you're feel nauseous carry a plastic bag with you in your your suit pocket better well no that's pretty good yeah sure plastic will not leak unless you really force the puke into it yeah certainly right if you don't have a plastic bag on you if you don't have a paper bag on you uh how about leaning into that if you know you don't have a lot coming just open up that suit pocket

just open up your jacket right in the suit pocket okay and then close your suit get up no one's the wiser no no just stay yep you know no one even heard it they couldn't even tell what did you really did you sneeze uh yeah excuse me i just i yeah i just kind of went like i went and then pulled my jacket back closed and i stood up and i said excuse me excuse me and then as you every step there's a quiet but discernible slosh in your step it's not in the step it's in the

jacket it's fine uh until you see uh the the the parents of your friends there and they go hey and they give you a nice smack on the chest give you a big pat and then it and then it looks like your chest exploded yes then the squibs yeah go off and uh it's a good well yeah there was an attempt there was an attempt and i don't think anyone would fault me for that i think they would i think you're dramatically uh uh over estimating people's level of

compassion when they get puke on them i think you're dramatically underestimating uh people's anger and horror at the stench left behind i mean yeah you know that's you know there's only one way to find out i would do everything we have to go to some weddings and just start puking all over the place i i would do everything in my power you know um okay i think people throwing up is funny when it's not me when it's not me if it's a projectile if it's a projectile you're

you're fucked there's never you ever known somebody i used to know somebody when i was younger that if you talk about gross stuff wow someone's gonna skip from the beginning and get here again get here this is what's gonna happen you you talk about like you start talking about gross shit and they're like shut up shut up right and you're like really just just the thought just literally thoughts can do it to you yeah yeah no i know people like that were just like oh god blood oh god no no just blood the concept of blood no

you know it's really weird i'm really i'm not good with blood that's not mine my own blood yeah no problem yeah i'm very used to my own blood but i mean i'm sure there's i'm not sure there's stuff that gets you like that just on conversation like you know you know exactly what that's like yeah it's not it not like physically like it'll disturb me but it won't cause like a yeah but you'll start to get uneasy and then the skin will it i'll get panicky and itch oh yeah well that's it's the exact same thing it doesn't hit my stomach though no no

but but the sweat beads form and the the hair stands up yeah other people's blood scary your blood friendly i guess i i don't care either way like i blood is just nothing i bleed all over myself all the time so it's like a it's like a normal thing at this point yeah i don't because of my period no i get horrible nosebleeds all the time so like at this point like i'll walk downstairs and page will be like pat you're bleeding everywhere i'm like sure enough so i am i was recently uh recently it was brought to my attention that

you can go back and watch uh the so just after magic johnson made his announcement oh my god in the nba where is this fucking story going back in the day this is early this is this is nineties this is people are not people are not aware a literate literate and aware of the nature of hiv slash hiv and aids yes and the announcement is made and before uh stepping away from the game he played a couple extra games of games yeah and you can see

the people that are didn't crush it like on the way up to the net mother fuckers are like i'm like just the most space you've ever seen oh my god unchallenged and michael magic johnson went unchallenged at the net right and and there was even a game where at one point like there was a minor cut yeah that led to some bleeding yeah and people like the fucking court just clears like no you cannot you cannot push these people like you cannot push them back onto the court

you know like a mule refuse it like yeah no absolutely not gone it and it's it's that's a complicated thing even with people who know better because like somebody else's blood gets on me in a way that like say somebody coughs and a blood hits my arm right i know that because it's my arm it's unlikely that anything i'm still gonna freak out that's a human bodily fluid yeah that's it's a biohazard and the blood one's the scariest because all the goodest stuff lives in the blood yeah and and there's definitely been a movie

or 15 where one of those goes into your eye or one of those goes into your mouth i always i always think of fucking 28 days later yeah how that is just like the most nonsensically tragic awful thing ever yeah i'm not that person but i am like millimeters from being that person uh huh when you're in the bathroom and you see someone walk out of the stall and right out the door yeah and you just or from the urinal right out the door

yeah and you're just like you fucking you are a bad just like you have to almost go out of your way to not look at the sink before looking that right like you have to it's it's not okay right wash your hands and like what is the thought process is it just i don't want my hands wet is it like don't care that's the thought process does it i every every i have learned in my long life because i am 40 or whatever that every time you have to ask this question the answer is always

i don't care they're just like okay fuck it are you 40 no no because i'm like i am seconds from yeeting a motherfucker that walks out i don't know 33 okay well how do you not know that i barely knew my own shit man willy we went to sage up at the same time how old did you think i was in sage up i don't know like a bunch of you guys were older than you think i was that guy that kept failing a bunch of people a bunch of people were older than me bunch of you guys were older than me i don't know i'm like a year older than

you no but then also the late december birthday fucks up the years of school so my school year starts before i get my thing i don't know this sucks pay attention i don't look 40 shut up when i i'll have less hair here okay well then don't say that i was making a boomer joke and now it backfired on me now i am a boomer i mean for years you're you didn't look your age yeah and now we're you're just catching up i guess to the point of like

oh yeah okay yeah i can live with this fucking benjamin button over here oh does that mean i'll look like a really cool young person later nope oh okay just the first half it's the first half of benjamin button you know that reminds me of woolly the loudest i've ever yelled in my life was that my buddy evan when somebody mentioned benjamin button in the guy concordia metro and he turned to me and he looked at me with a dead serious face as i was that

based on a true story and i just on at the top of my lungs just screamed no why do you and then he started chuckling and he was like i got you and like yeah well you did you did buddy you did you really you really got me yeah that movie uh takes a while to get to get going never seen it never seen it nah takes a lot to get going it seems fucking stupid it's it's a weird one but hey

you know does he just like morph into a sperm at the end pretty much but is it like one sperm or is it like a does he just melt into like jizz no they don't get that close okay they don't will he crawl into a sock and die as jizz yeah well anyway you can always watch the first half as a reference point yeah hey woolly what you do with your week aside from being sick never forget the podcast conversation it's just hey man what's your favorite movie the first half of american history

x oh i don't remember that mmm that's well it's your favorite the second half of american history x anyway um oh so anyway i i uh mm i what did i do i went to adrenaline red bull event yes there was league yes there was cs go yep there was smash brothers mm-hmm there were arcade machines and i saw you took a photo of a certain item near the smash brother section i did i noticed

uh walking by a smash setup that uh there was an axe mini body spray container upon closer inspection i noticed that there were four of them and then uh upon unglazing my eyes and looking up i noticed every setup was littered with axe body spray at least four on every single one of them so i took a photo of it and i relayed that to the internet that's so i i would like to make a public service announcement regarding axe

covering a bad smell with another smell does not make the original smell go no i don't suppose it does the the the smell of people who have proper nightmare b.o. yeah just becomes axed tinged uh the the the the issue of course being that the person's solution was before leaving the house that morning yeah if the ass remains unwashed the axe is it is it's it's a wig on the syphilis you know it's you're not doing much it's abandoned on a bullet hole

i don't want to be all like we live in a society here but i think like the bare minimum for human conduct out the house should be to clean your body it is interesting watching the um the two places it goes though because invariably there's the people who are part of the smash scene that are just fucking tired of the joke and then there's the actual announcements that come out that talk about toos that are like we might get kicked out because of so complaints from the venue i'm so it's like there's always the people that

are in a community where that's not an issue and it's just like getting tired and then there's the stories of real things that happen whenever a warning comes from a venue holder or from somebody that's running a co a co-event or something that basically goes like this is a real problem that we have to deal with i'm gonna i'm gonna turn off the heel for a second on this conversation i'll turn it back on in a bit of course your average person player come whatever at any particular event is probably some

normal jag off right some normal dude but certain games tend to attract certain audiences and smash does cater to a really wide audience so of course people who you know wash themselves and are normal are like i'm so sick of this stupid shit and on the other hand you have people in the top ish of the community who like throw tantrums and act like children not all of them obviously not even a sizable proportion but enough to create like a stigma

and then at the bottom end yeah you got some you got some grody ass fucking grognards crawling out for this shit and the to thing is real there is the real thing there are events that have instituted uh rules and it's not just matches also yugioh and pokemon cards uh that but to be honest like conventions are always a risk they are um certain corners of the convention hall will be riskier than others they will but regardless of what's at the convention there's always gonna be

and you better believe i've spent my time uh in pools sometimes sitting next to an opponent who is really unaware of it yeah and it's bad um there's um there's a story that i remember telling him a million years ago is walking downtown with a friend of mine and she was unfamiliar with games workshop and there's a games workshop in the eating center yeah or at least there used to be and uh she's like oh cool what is that i'm like oh it's like figurines for like tabletop games she's like cool and she started to walk in and i was

not able to say don't go in there fast enough because she crossed the threshold and you could see her face just go yeah and just like because it's not just the smell of the people it's also paint supplies and lacquer and all that shit and then the worst part that made her turn the fuck tail is the the room just goes like the the the the simul turn yeah like yeah war and then there's moth man who's cool sure and he loves warhammer

well hold on a minute he does he does love he does love warhammer but you know i've has anyone ever smelled never i've never smelled moth man he sounds very nice he's got a polite british voice yeah and he's he's good at healing yeah but has anyone ever actually been in the vicinity to confirm i don't know moth man can we get some confirmation on those but i'm of course yeah there are certain communities particularly ones that attract certain types of people are totally going to have this problem worse than

others aka our demographic um certain fighting game communities i would be very likely to believe are going to be more responsible for noise complaints i would i would say the marvel community you know probably be way more likely to have the cops show up because of noise you know where else it's rife where's minecraft yeah uh there's tons of complaints coming from minecraft based events as well yeah there might be some sort of correlation between the age of the

offender yeah the target age demographic of the media being consumed and the pungency yes the punch one might be able to make a direct correlation graph uh tech tech and players will stab you that's a thing use low kicks out in kof players no no no come on yeah yeah yeah they will yeah um but um but but don't use low kicks out in korea it's bad it's bm man um but uh uh uh yeah another place you'd be surprised uh would be

the um the the floors of qa yeah the floors of qa so i mean you say it would surprise you you're talking to the audience not to me because i i have met people the the thing about that though is that it's very easy and quick to notice that when that occurs and because this is a business environment it's also very easy to like address slash it usually will um results in somebody being told about it in short order yeah but there have been times where somebody long term or two just does not address it doesn't care yeah i worked at the call

center once that uh the boss literally made everyone go home early canceled the entire shift and told us all to go home and take a shower because one person yeah was like didn't want to single anybody out yeah but he's like all of you go home and take a fucking shower and scrub because this fucking office stinks yeah and we all went home and took a shower except for the one person they were talking about yeah and it's and then then a talk in the office resumed exactly and that person got fired

because they were like i'll get on it and they did they didn't get on it first qa place i worked had that problem and that person did not do anything about it this was what it was um and then there's also the person who uh doesn't have that but just has the halitosis oh the bad halitosis and you're like i don't know what they can do i'm gonna just talk to you from a distance that's that's less that's less your fault but it's still

not great no one cares no one cares no one no one cares no one cares but like but like it's almost like one of these two is addressable the other kind of isn't you know it's pseudo addressable you try you can try the attempt would be appreciated yeah yeah i've but i've been told directly by person yeah that nothing nothing can be done yeah because that's rough man because here's the thing right um you can definitely like well anyway like you you're not going to walk up to somebody and just be like

axe right but in normal day to the conversation you could pull out a stick of gum and be like gum gum and that's an easy you know but you can't fucking whip out a deodorant to rub yourself down and go like no you know what you do you know what you do just take it out just take it out just start spraying just like you know what man um i've definitely like like that's one of those things where like yeah you can you can do it to an entire area in the name of coverage yeah and over cover based on not wanting to single people out see the

funniest thing about all this right is that i have a a fairly severe perfume allergy so anyone that puts on axe within 10 feet from me i'm gonna get horribly sick so when people try and cover their bo with like their bo with axe not only can i still yeah my sense of smell only seems to work when it sucks by the way only does the bo still reach out it's now being reached out with a uppercut to my brain like great thanks man this was awesome of you to do for everyone involved

yeah um but anyway uh all of that aside fun event uh was more just chill you know not really participating or entering anything hanging out hanging out and and uh did an interview for squad state which was pretty fun oh uh you did a you didn't ever knew it was woolly of the super best friends yes i did i did exactly that made me upset i mean uh to their credit uh somebody did let them know and they were trying to fix it but that was a burnt jpeg on rotation nothing could be done it's the timing

really bad too hey what are you gonna do nothing apparently so whatever ah but we uh yeah so we had a fun time on the stage uh uh shout outs to uh drew who uh was like old school fgc head who's one of the co-hosts on the show that like had a had a fucking good old to montreal rivalry with that mm-hmm um god yeah talk to friends about like the state of toronto and um how toronto be how toronto be and whether we're talking about eggs being flung or fecal matter or poisoning uh or

whether we're talking about the various friends i have who have all been randomly assaulted by ass just just by people random right it's kind of like yeah this like it's time to go time to not be here anymore doug's ghost takes his revenge doug's first and last movie um yeah it was uh it was it was it was still a fun time though uh i got to uh you know of course get in there with uh someone brought us that up um and so we were able to i was able to play some some tech teppen

let's play some uh uh blaze blue so you beat uh mr creed at teppen yeah i'll get into teppen in a second uh because uh that's kind of one thing that's easy to do while you're sick so i spent a bunch more time on that um what am i forgetting sorry i'm i'm stalling for time here but there was something i wanted to talk about i'm blanking on yes that's it earlier in the week i posted something about um samurai showdown and smk yeah something's going on with their tournament

show and uh jimmy bones and um yeah so some people were a bit confused about that uh so he went into description he went into i was pretty much like is one of those bits where it's like i'll let him talk about it when he wants to want any and he did on his stream but to give the summary of it um now that that's been discussed and it's out there uh i i definitely don't mind just telling people what it is because i'm really really bummed by like like what kind of went down here is effectively to call it to make it short

um samurai showdown has had a uh world tour going on right i've been going to compete in these events right ferna the winner of multiple samurai showdown tournaments like usually will get a spot that allows them to uh basically get a flight to go to japan to qualify for the world finals fair enough that's going to be march of next month all right right sorry march of next year excuse me uh i just want to make sure i'm getting all my facts straight here so this is

what i've been yeah that sounds as important as you think okay well anyway um so that's that's the the nature of the tournament and you know uh from talking to some of the folks involved with it beforehand and stuff you know can say that like sounded very much like a hearts in the right place really earnest want to promote the game do a lot get samshaw out there etc all these good things and i'm like yeah that sounds cool as someone who cares about samshaw um you know been traveling with jimmy who's a top player of this game right so he's he's been

doing pretty well so um what kind of happened was there's been some foibles at these events in terms of like how much the uh how much heads up people have been getting for when a tournament when it gets announced to be a qualifier what's the shortest um so so earlier on this year there was literally like like two weeks that's not enough right that's not enough there's two weeks given you don't even have time to take the day off work it was rough right that was that was that was like or what happened earlier

uh in the year um for some of the the first ones coming down and people were like guys like yeah people have to get take time off they have to travel they have to figure this stuff out like what do we why would you do that right and it kind of came down to a thing where like they just didn't have a plan for like what event i don't i don't know whatever it was that their timing stuff was yeah an issue right i don't i don't want to speculate on the how and what but the fail too busy doing coke the failure unfortunately just like landed on those events right so um

what happened recently is uh there's been since the game has come out a weekly series called ronin rumble right i've done some commentary for it uh it's put on by jeff the hero uh he's aptly named because uh dude is like holding up the sam show community running this weekly event and it's a it's a nice place where the community comes together competes online and like when you're a small game these things are important right these things kind of keep it connected they keep the scene alive in a way when there's uh uh uh you know just not a ton of people flocking towards the game so uh he's been doing

amazing with that and uh jimmy bones has been doing a weekly series um called sake and roses on thursdays where uh it's a casual lobby where people can come out and just play the game like not tournament just in preparation for you know the the ronin rumble so uh these these events are affiliated to a degree and such anyway so this has been what's been going on right um so uh what ends up happening is this final event in japan it turns out that of the 16 slots that are going to be going out to players that won these tournaments not all of them have been announced yet so we're we're waiting on finding out where

some of these slots were going to go we found out that six of the 16 are going to china right the rest are kind of distributed so far around different countries different events and and so on for some reason china is getting six and uh it was getting three at two tournaments that we're going to run simultaneously on one weekend very weird top three in this event would go to like what what is that right very strange like is there even a big a single weekend a single weekend two events in china top three get six of these slots doesn't doesn't make much sense that seems like shit right you're like what why would that that's not fair that sounds like a weird distribution is it based it's almost like it's almost like snk is owned by a chinese company

what oops oops so it was like what's up with that um and there's not a ton of details right and as time gets closer in one or two places very like i like i think what on a facebook post there was a like a final like an info drop that was like um this these events are not tournaments they're eight-man invitations uh-huh you're like wait what so like so what the fuck have the people been going to tournaments to seed for these fucking things literally like what so they're because you've been doing these um yeah these people have been doing running their major tournaments and now this is an eight-man invitational there's not we don't know what that's like i flew out to this tournament to get seed points and now you're telling me i literally

didn't have to go someone else could have got an invite to go to one of these things and and and for the six of them will be chinese um because it's an invitational of people that are from the scene there or something i guess if but like apparently there's not a very large scene there but regardless it doesn't matter that's what you call stacking right that's what you call stacking it's what it is we're gonna grab we're gonna grab the six local players and throw them in and it's gonna be like in the end you're gonna end up facing against people who like have to fight against like hundreds of players yeah to get where they are you're gonna fucking crush it's pointless but it doesn't matter like they're gonna they're gonna own like one of them might get

first a second but the rest are gonna get fucking eight through six it's a complete nonsense publicity ploy right so it makes no sense to put that in the snk seems bad in this situation like it's it this is whatever whoever is in charge of this world tour thing is not doing it evenly right that goes down eight man invitational we don't know the players are gonna be whatever right um so uh we find out that like uh and before this i'll run the same time if not a little bit after these details are announced this is such stupid bullshit um for a while the week the weekly ronin rumble thing yeah it was like yo this is a really cool event that a lot of people have been participating in yeah can they get some support in some way right so shout out even eventually

a deal was reached where basically um they were going to then go the snk agreed to let the winner of a ronin rumble get to go to china uh to enter one of those invitationals that what right and then have it about fucking and then have a chance if after if getting to the top of those invitation all right to go on to japan right and it's like why not just cut out the and go straight to why not just add a 16 person bracket like no no this is what it was right and then the way it was announced was such that it would be wait hold on you have to wait let me let me break it down even dumber please do because i don't want you have to go probably lost here to china in order to beat in order to get a spot in this invitational you have to essentially beat almost everyone else

who will also still be at the invitational no because who's going to china of the of the players not across the world this just feels like you have to beat the chinese players twice in order to win the you have to win so so it was you win the online tournament yeah then you get to go to go to china to enter this other tournament and you have to place top six uh or top three because there's two of them yeah and then if you win that then you go to japan in march but there's a scenario here in which you will have to go and beat the number one chinese player say you're better than the number one chinese player yes you will have to beat them four times for uh forget that the road and rumble yeah there's a lot of people that play that are already winners

that are going to japan yeah so you have to beat them yeah like it's like what how many times you have to beat the same people not so but but this is so this is the way they they handed it out right that's so busted so oh my god this is announced one week before the chinese tournament happens oh you mean the the country that you probably need to get travel authorization to go to if you're going there from like a dozen of any other kind like so how many you're not even allowed to go to china for free like so how many visas or something how many dominos down the bad decision tree is that we're like 10 okay so allow me to continue depending on what country you live in all right just go to china if you're confused if you're lost if you're let me let me try to simplify

it but let's run it all right world tour event is announced um timing is really badly handled on the part of snk letting people know about when these things are going down in tournament with seating turns into a closed invitational with fucked seating with six slots of 16 going to uh chinese china china chinese events right that are not open tournaments like the rest of the events that is announced a week to go by winning the online all right and now and now uh we so that the online tournament goes down uh diddy mokov wins at jimmy bones gets second place all right diddy mokov goes okay cool let's find out what we can do here uh he's from south america and you think he's currently was in america yeah unable to do any sort of passport applications all of it like

literally could not do it so a day later goes i can't do this vacate my win i vacate my way therefore jimmy bones becomes the number one jimmy bones takes it okay cool so he finds out uh a day or a day and a half after right um which gives him five days to go to china four four days okay so what do you gotta do to make that happen of which it takes at least 1.5 days to literally go to china time to call up the embassy and get the visa because you can't just go there because you can't just go okay a travel visa so that is the soonest on a rush that you can get that to happen it's going to be a day and a half later which gives you seven hours of leeway so we're like okay and i'm like i'm i'm looking at the events i'm trying i'm like looking i'm talking with him

about this whole thing looking at the the flights trying to see what's possible and of all the flights that can be chosen the uh uh the only way to get there the morning of the tournament on saturday would be to leave two hours before the meeting to get the visa great completely impossible it's almost like this is intentional completely impossible it's almost like these are known quantities i mean i like the people like like like jeff running the tournament definitely did not intend any of this although you know what i mean it was just way back up you're just like nah they didn't they just they it's it's almost like they never wanted to give this thing a chance i don't know i don't know but but so what happens is of course it becomes completely a farce right

yeah and then and then it's like okay and even this is not going to be possible but let's just also look at what we're talking about in terms of like um what you'd have to like what kind of costs you'd have to get for this visa yeah whatever right so the way things were announced initially was um flight to china plus a thousand dollars to cover whatever expenses sure we're gonna take place or happen to which would be room board and blah blah blah whatever the case may be uh turns out uh in the communication that was not what was said uh turns out that's not what was offered uh and that what was actually offered was a thousand dollars towards the cost of getting to china in four days including and staying there playing eating and traveling and taking getting

to the airport and taking the track taxi whatever the fuck whatever paying money out of pocket plus embassy so snk was actually going to just provide one thousand dollars towards the three thousand maybe it would cost to do this yeah so the player would have to a have the time to leave within a couple days to fly to china take the time off of work and have a couple thousand sitting around to and have a free uh travel uh visa standing of which that thousand dollars by the way would not be uh given but would be reimbursed a month oh it would be reimbursed this is not this was like no isn't this the worst this is an offer this is an offer where you forgot your lunch and i see that you haven't i see you don't have your lunch right

and i have a peanut butter sandwich right i eat the first half of my sandwich and make sure to get one bite into second part of sandwich before offering you some hey man you look hungry do you want some as i am eating the remainder fully knowing that you will say no man i'm good but i offered though i offered so we're now on like domino 10 right of the bad decisions in this process i'm but i can't believe how far down the line it's come in terms of stupidity with it but this is what's happened i don't understand why they didn't want to compete we offered to pay their way here and we we sanctioned their online tournament and you know like definitely don't want to blow up anybody spot or anything but it's like like okay an attempt was made to try and like okay can we

talk to people can can jimmy figure out a way no to just go like all right look this is a complete shit show yes can we salvage this in any way by at least saying he can't possibly make it to this event the next one that will happen is coming up it'll be frosty fostings yeah it's going to be in january yeah um is there a way to since work he's since jimmy's from montreal yeah can you just take that money that would have gone towards the china trip and put it towards allowing him to compete at that event where is it uh that is in uh um uh i want to say it'll chicago no it's not going to happen right you will no we will not it had to be the china one um and it's like just we can just at least get that done out of it no because this whole thing is like of course not no right no

and it would have been one of those things where you're like at the end of this fucking domino shit show the one thing you could have done right here would have been to get that no they only offered money that they knew couldn't have been obtained and it just so i don't know where it is on the chain of events and will they all give you three hundred dollars command into that camera right now within five seconds yeah i don't know where on the chain of command but like well i offered it i guess he doesn't want it i feel i feel like um somewhere along the lines like the what about your asshole the the snk china is doing their best to just completely either either just grab these slots or like make a weird posture that i don't know i don't know but it's just it's just it's

shitty whatever the speculation is it's garbage and like it's clearly not a fair situation chinese business interests are also chinese national interests and want to do what's good for china and that's the reality of it and it sucks when uh snk japan or snk america are leashed to follow those orders or whatever the fuck they can't do uh without that approval um if that's the way things are going it appears but i don't know and then yeah so you end up with this complete shit show where they're just like sorry you you get nothing you lose good day sir right can we no don't care too bad that's right right and this is why you just carry on this is fucking garbage this is why when you look at interviews of people who have competed in and one or placed

top eight in say the capcom pro tour and those who have competed in and got top eight or won evo the prestige of evo or um any of the other ones right that our community organized the prestige is so much higher because there's so much more value in winning a completely open tournament yes you walk off the street that is sponsored or managed or whatever you know who like again who are you we don't even know who you're invited it's just we're reaching out to people that we would like to see be represented in japan and let's give them chances right who i don't know or people or names or whatever the case so um yeah man it really was just like from the get-go when people are just like so you just want to stack six of these 10 names to be like from china

and then get completely crushed yeah i want right and then when you get to top 16 if somebody that fought through the trenches from the bottom in multiple in multiple countries has to fight three people to get to winners finals and then someone fights three of those six and that just happens to randomly be stacked you're getting somebody who gets a free skip to the end versus someone who has to fucking there's a there's a there's a fascinating um the you can go check out core a gaming we did a video on tournaments and how tournaments work and how uh bracket selection can be manipulated see to create event to create things to happen yeah so seating is something that happens uh as a to i can tell you that like i've had to do

seating and i know and like there's a lot of discussion and debate that goes into it javaley posted a hilarious thing the other day about like we finally hit the era where uh he got a complaint from a parent who said my kid is not seated high enough or whatever what's up with this right and effectively the point of it is to just go hey did you travel from uh tim buck to with your friend here let's make sure you guys don't fight in the first round because that fucked okay second the two people who are probably going to be in grand finals based on class performance should be as far away from each other in the bracket as possible otherwise that person gets eliminated even though based on the double elimination system yeah even though

they probably would have made it further based on the approximate skill levels but hey what if you want your buddy to get out of pools for sure then you put him in an easy pool and you make sure that pool is easy yeah so you don't so seating should generally never be handled on that type of level yeah but smash eg has made it easy but like there's things you factor in some things way more than others you winning an evo is a bigger factor than you coming from a place that someone else come yeah if you win an evo congrats you're now number one on the on the bracket right and all the top eights are going to be number 1000 number 1500 number etc but if i see like uh four canadian flags in my pool that's a couple of canadian and then no other canadian flags in surrounding pools

and be like well someone's trying to get rid of canada or yeah now if you see a random can fuck that up sometimes yeah but then you got to keep an eye out on yeah right so anyway all that to say that that's just one aspect of this that's that has nothing to do with i don't know it's the most overtly obviously stupid well it's the dumb six slot china thing but then there's just the fuckery of how you supposed to get there in the days that you're not possibly you're not we cover no we can't i am literally every step of like we're gonna no we're not gonna cover now i'm well will you get no a month down the lot and then fuck you too bad i'm well aware of the desire to give the benefit of the doubt but situations like that are so obviously explicitly designed to fail

on purpose that i can't help but shrug the instant that came out i'm sure a lot of people are like oh we're not intended to get there so this is intended to be an empty and then another and then a fortune and then it leads to people going like well yeah this is another fuck up on this world tour right and the worst part i mean there's a million worse parts but an extra factor in how stupid and bad this is is how badly it reflects on jeff who runs run and rumble and jimmy bones who run sake and roses two people who are literally going out of their way to organize things to promote the game that's that's tough because say you're somebody in a community and you're and you love a game and you're trying to make the game real hi and then the the people who run the

game literally spit on you like what do you like it sucks there's gotta be an emotion of like well fuck this game at i guess it sucks to some degree and it especially sucks when you know that like a company is a big mecca of moving parts yeah and uh the people at the head are like hey man what's up super cool want to help you out and the people at the body are like look we're just gonna do what we can do we're just gonna do what we're gonna do we got to focus on these organs right alternatively the people in the middle want to help you and the people at the top go no fuck i'm don't give them but the legs are just like not only not walking to help you they're walking away from you know they're they're trying to step on you oh yes the legs are attacking you and kicking

you stop and and and go and doing their best to fucking ruin yeah this sounds like shit it sounds like the samurai showdown future as a community slash tournament game is fucking dead well here's what's here's the thing right as you mentioned when you're when you're someone that's trying to help promote this scene like these guys are this fucking just really hurts and just dive down one of my right and this is what this is what it comes down to right so um for me as someone like i'm like i still like this game i don't like having this bad association with it when it comes to mine like yeah you just you double down into community and go okay guys so the company is holding the inventational but the real world champion is going to be the one that wins this

event over here so you know i'm i was like planning to still go to tournaments next year uh uh that were like sam show events that were happening yeah and still very much want to do those still want to compete and play this game that i like you know but this world tour aspect of it the esports aspect of it is a fucking botch right now esports and like any attempt to olive branch of which there were like eight just complete refusal i find it you know fascinating that because of the the the push and pull in the nature of the business relationships that have formed that almost every single discussion about esports eventually goes to a discussion about chinese nationalist business interests at some point recently like like almost all of them i don't

know if csgo is involved probably not that's a valve thing probably not dota but like china's got a lot of money and they pushing i mean look all i can say you know and and this was everyone that like it's a pretty tight knit community you know what i mean but everyone that like um yeah like i said there's like an active 50 names that you just see and recognize everywhere you know like but oh everyone just kind of i feel had that sort of conclusion of just like well it's community now this is you know we're just we're going we're going community on this and until they make several changes to like fixing this shit like we're just gonna have to fend for ourselves you know in a way and stick together and then do what we can and like it's a

really just it's still it's one of those things where it's like it it can still even be turned around with some you know proper decision making but like i hope at the very least like the the the blowback is enough that they hear it and don't do shit like this again so i would like to point out that i was wrong when i uh when i said csgo and dota i got a real quick blowback from chat that dota has been more corrupt than anything forever and that csgo is apparently a money laundering scheme so wonderful sports sports or sports it's awesome e or otherwise sports um so yeah that's that's the state of the the world tour the sam show world tour um and and so you just see what is usually saying the sam show dead like no that's the game

you know and community is community you know we like you can you know what i'm waiting for waiting for some top pro mober player like i have to bow out of the tournament i fell down the stairs and broke my arm and and i didn't because i didn't take the money oh dive yeah apparently they were there yet you think we're there to pay diving well wasn't there someone asking a question about like why is uh pot splitting a problem because players who is the point of the tournament no but like what players of what game was it so the person posted and they said people that play this game pot split all the time a magic yeah yeah they said magic the gathering players agree to pot split all the time yeah and uh because they don't want to risk the

fact that a bad draw of cards yeah the reason why that's acceptable is because there's random elements associated with that that no one can control so they just completely you know fucking whatever um yeah yeah so anyway uh that's where that's at uh teppen i've been i've been you know playing it playing it putting the time in you've been cardin i've been cardin i've been uh learning what it means to like tweak to an even finer degree than i thought possible are you esports and uh no teppen yet no no sure but i thought i was like oh yeah i've got the flow and feeling of this deck and how i'm playing it and stuff and then now i'm tweaking not just like like one or two cards for their for like a different effect entirely but i was like let's tweak for the same effect with a slightly

different variable so oh man instead of playing this card that gives me anti air on all of my things to stop people that fly i'll instead play a more expensive card that kills everything the opponent has that flies oh and uh and does like a ton of dash a ton of damage or whatever you know and see like two ways to go about the same strategy and so on um that sounds a lot like the shop in a mober i guess so you should give that mober a shot uh so i randomly i randomly playing ranked came across uh one zavier woods aka austin creed and uh stole a game you stole it stole a game where he was he was winning and i just came back with the fucking one two at the last second and then yeah i was like oh shit you know i was like what the what are the chances that was fun i didn't

know he was online and then uh we played some more running he's like yo run it back and so we run it back in in uh casuals after and uh proceeded to steal another two in almost the exact same manner where like a really good opening strategy was just trounced by a really solid comeback and i i managed to get three oh on it and i was like yeah well that's definitive um there's no arguing with that stolen or not and um and i i i fucked up because i missed the replay on one of them but i do have two of them and i've been planning to do a look video anyway so i got those at which point then kenny jumped in and it was like yo we gotta play so then i jumped on with kenny and and did a set first to three as well and in that case it went to two and then he took the final game

he probably cheated um yeah totally no it was really and saw and that like you get super toxic kenny kenny how how are you gonna get toxic in a card game on your phone you can get toxic really good games really good games across the board post game toxic i noticed i noticed we're all in similar ranking range yeah where it's like like i feel i'm starting to feeling i'm starting to feel like what i originally thought was like a pyramid to the top is looking more like a wine glass of like everyone at the bottom and then it thins out and then there's a whole lot of people okay all right probably sitting in the middle of that wine and then you got your elite so i don't like a wine glass that continues tapering off yeah right because um we're we're just before

champion but boy is it hard to get into champion what's champion defined by champion is defined by getting to above a one i'm at a five uh okay the reason i everyone all but like the kenny and skill mama and these guys and austin we're all in that a five a four category the reason i ask is there's a like i'm playing league and it has the same thing was a champion yeah and the champion is literally the top 200 okay which is i think street fighting is something similar is that it's like i like the idea of titles that are like do you have this title there are only 10 of these that's only 50 of killer instinct with the title of killer oh yeah you gotta be what to be killer you have to get top 32 that's great in that a period of time that's great yeah and then when

you get to killer you get to do uh i think three out of five sets fucking sick yeah it was really good it was really good um so anyway uh all that to say uh uh yeah that was that was a ton of fun and tweaking and whatnot really close and i also really got to learn especially in the matches with kenny that like i'm like okay the same deck you will watch a trouncing you will trounce them and then it'll go tight yeah based on your draw in a lot of cases um and you and it's almost it's impossible to cover every oh yeah there's always going to be an element of straight up gambling in a card game yeah you know and and you you can go for a really blasé deck that'll be pretty safe against everybody but not deal with the haymaker strategies yeah right and haymaker strategies

will often involve like yeah people doing crazy nonsense setups that that are like you have no direct counter to this card because you for example if anything that you would need to beat this card uh you you can't even target it yeah right it has a thing that stops you from specifically targeting that there's all kinds of crazy shit you can do so um that's the part of the game that's kind of like getting elusive to me in a way where i'm like i don't really i always love that i mean you described it uh a while ago where it's like set play but like any multiplayer game where it's just like what are we gonna do okay we're all gonna have this planned and then you look at the other team or the other player and they're just rushing one thing so hard that you can't deal

with it yeah you're like we're doing we're doing this now yeah yeah well um uh fuck i'm gonna leave two of my three slots empty yeah and just just go so hard down on one you know and you're not gonna beat it yeah and like and like i have to have the tools ready and like there's moments where i'm spending uh abilities on nothing because i like i have to go through my deck to find the counter because the super cards you've built yeah it's like i have a perfect counter for that somewhere in this pile so i'm just like uh whatever i'll like not even heal the enemy but just do an effect that does nothing in this situation just to get it out of the way to find that perfect counter you know um feeding bot panicking panicking because when you know that

the only way to survive is to find the the the the counter nuke so you have to feed yourself um and uh yeah so that that's happened a couple of times and you know those are always tight situations and you're hoping it pulls up but if it doesn't then you're pretty much dead uh sorry i'd giggle every time i hear the word fed now yeah your feet it's the worst it's the worst that's ever been and something that i don't uh have experience with is then needing to switch to a second deck right like this deck is just not gonna work you were only to tweak a second deck and have that ready for this type of matchup or so because i guess that's the way you're gonna need to do it advancing but when you're playing ranked you're getting random character matchups all the time

you know so then you're kind of like it's uh yeah it's one of the things that when i was fucking around with hearthstone when i was fucking around with league and it's like win rates are just are are like a high win rate is like 55 percent yeah like no one's getting a 60 win rate if you plan to go forward with like your rock deck then your paper deck is gonna you know sit there it's gonna lose and your paper deck will be handy when you come up against the counter pick and that's when you woolly it's time to get into the meta do you want to play on meta or off meta yeah in this case i think it's just raw stats right no do you want to play on meta or off meta um if you're gonna play the same person more than once

in a row then yeah you can then yeah totally right it becomes about that but it's it's just fascinating because i remember talking to a buddy of mine who played a lot of hearthstone and it's like well warlock's really popular right now or you know whatever exactly exactly so i'm gonna run an anti-warlock and that'll get you higher than yeah the regular exactly it's like that whole everyone's running wesker everyone's running morrigan everyone's running ryu so do you got stuff that could deal with them if you could deal with them you're probably gonna make it higher than stuff that can deal with the rest of the cast yeah a hundred percent so the thing that's happening in league right now i think morta kaiser it's like super good as a character that i like

yeah do you have a character that does well against morta kaiser because like one out of every 10 games you're gonna fight him uh-oh do you not have that character slash the cards because here's the thing you should buy them so you got you got someone goes hey all you want to beat the characters that you're having problems with here's a qr code right take a picture of this here's a deck this will help you beat whatever your problems are you don't have half of these cards you don't have more than half of these cards what you're gonna do better go buy those gems fucko yeah and those gems are not gonna make the cards directly but when you buy the gems they lead to you buying packs and your duplicates can get scrapped oh and to dust or whatever the fuck and the fucking

fucko dust yeah the fucko dust fucko dust can be used to build a new card there was a and it takes a lot of fucko dust there was a fucking card in hearthstone that was uh doctor wis bang or some shit and it was just it was just like the best card it was like a year one card it was and it's like hey everyone scrap every single fucking duplicate you can get your hands on until you can get this card because it will carry you yeah the moba thing does have one thing that helps that say say you're gonna pick a character and you're gonna go up and like your jungling so you're gonna be 1v1ing all the whole game you're you're this guy's a straight counter pick to you at the very least you can go to the in-game shop and buy items that will mitigate yeah that counter pick

yeah and you can you can so you can do a deck dr boom that was the card yeah you can use cards from um a different character's deck in yours yeah but there's a penalty to it oh right you don't get uh you like in minima if you get less uh i think it's ap or whatever anyway basically there's like if you want to mix and match your cards from two different styles of decks then you you get half the energy cost to play with i see type of thing you can't play anything they can't you can't play any super cards from that from both decks that's there there you could only play the first that makes sense yeah exactly right but then you can go to something similar where you the the classes have there's generic cards and then there's class cards that you just

can't play unless you're that class right so yeah a little bit of that and you know pretty much one way or another it's just like okay so uh here's the answers that you're looking for wail up wail up fucko absolutely do it card games i mean yeah card games make me feel weird because the wail up piggy yes i'm gonna say that the wail up piggy business model of the card game predates video games like at all it's been it's it's decades and decades and decades of god damn it i hope i get that guy's baseball card yeah right yeah yeah so it's it's like positively old fashioned it's it's the oldest trick in the book introduced to a new generation yeah of children with credit cards yeah uh yeah so of course the solution uh can always also be found in

just sticking with what you have and what about the odd decking you're getting some net decking net decking yeah net decking tell me about the net decking it is similar to what you've been doing with the qr codes but i don't know if it exists for teppen but for hearthstone there was a net net decking application in which you would ask it to put together a meta build for you and it would do its best with the cards that you had oh there's a it's called a assist deck assist deck builder assist oh yeah it's a button in the game ah the game's got built in net decking i guess i mean people look down on that deckers because they're not really playing the game um it'll take what you have and help you fill it whatever net deckers pussies all of them apparently i don't know how to build a

fucking card deck guys took me a while to get what would be needed and i still don't really fully get it but i know enough to get to a class yeah from f well i guess you're good at the game but i don't know enough to go from a to to champ because those people are all running um very very rarely go su decks well very rarely am i losing to like a um again an all-round solid set yeah i'm losing to glass cannons yeah that i just i'm like fuck my counter is nowhere near here you know um well hey how do you feel about the fact that this podcast has you talking about a digital card game and me talking about movas i'm using nero is that weird yeah oh oh oh you fucking bitch you lied to yourself you are lying to woolly no no no don't frame don't frame it with

your fucking nonsense reaction there don't allow your nonsense reaction to create the narrative i'm playing nero that's why i'm having fun with my car that's okay i'm having fun with my heroes okay hey woolly did you know they're gonna put fucking the captain commando into a new mover yeah i guess this one's gonna happen the capcom puts out there mover and you're like dude you would freak out over the amount of resident evil characters like i said it before but i keep seeing new ones that i have no idea one that you've never heard of i i just i i gave you them last time i can't i can't pull them out because they're all fucking hey it's that guy that got blown up in the hospital in re3 remember that guy no he was never named like i i you know

i i i gave you a bunch because i'm just like i don't fucking yeah the mad spray and shit like that um i mean shit okay a list of the reporter is probably the deepest poll the game was actually went with oh you're pulling up the car oh my god like i'd have to scroll for some oh my god they're probably not that i mean here's a there's a random mercenary about to get killed by a tyrant give me a name what's his name uh kyle no nicholai uh michael victor yeah michael victor i literally said is it michael yeah i said no no no i i looked to another card and i saw michael there so there's michael yeah um forest spayer yeah he's gotta get see my crows and re1 no for brad vickers yeah chicken heart

uh these are not obscure characters okay i i don't know i know chris jill an obscure character i i i know chris jill leon clare wesker uh carlos obscure um the the the obscure character with caliban cove robert kendo or like uh that the the the the fucking u b c s guy the black guy with the glasses in the hospital who doesn't have a name the character was never named if that character was a card considering it's blown up in one cut scene he i think he has one line of dialogue all i'm saying is there are many many cards is misty the zombie a card billy cohen yeah billy cohen's main character and from Murray zero he's got the the the the handcuff on his hand wow they made a lot of characters huh yeah they did

there's a lot of reasonable characters i didn't realize well anyway um shona show what really is shiona shona soldier of some kind oh my god is that i think that's the guy i was just talking about well there you go i guess they named him at some point shona that's hilarious yeah so they're they're getting in there oh my god grabbing some people that i'm somebody corrected me that the black guy with the glasses is named patrick apparently okay i don't know who shona is though richard iken richard iken yeah he's a guy who's bitten by the snake at aruba

yeah so there's it just whatever cards with random fucking people pop up who's shona i don't know shona's from day of nightmares um so it's day of nightmares day of nightmares is one of the set it's a set it's a set yes uh anyway so that's that's been a shona's from operation raccoon city uh explain that well does that count no that counts as obscure the orc and obscure orc is in my ass well poop whatever is in there poop in there i only know the resieval lord that matters thank you fake fan don't sounds like a fake fan to me so um all right i've stalked one fake fan for the future

so teppen is fun and i'm enjoying it and uh i plan to do something as soon as i get the chance to in the future with that okay uh one other thing i wanted to talk about um i don't imagine you did but did you did you touch or bother checking out lee roy smith at all nah lee roy smith the new wang jin rei is so cool what's his dog's name uh sugar that's great come on sugar i love i love his dumb dog that he has he calls it out and it has a random chance of attacking you or just doing nothing oh that's great that's fucking awful so you can just call it out and it might just slide in and just go like and then walk away or it might run into a low attack is it a combo or is it a reset

it's just a low afar i saw like day one like touch of death shit with lee roy teppen's crazy the the tecken we're talking about tecken whatever not uh but um yeah lee roy uh old fucking old woolly showing up he looks great cool as ever the trailer song was great because all i wanted was him to call people young blood yeah and that happens 100 in that trailer and um not only that but he does wing chun yeah which is literally what i used to train in yeah so it's really cool seeing him do the fucking stances and the blocks and the pak sao and gan sao and buji sao and all these cool moves and he's getting into the it man stance that everybody recognizes and it's fucking nice is it a weaboo when it's not from this is what pan this is china boo listen to him chia boo yeah

that sounds like a chia pet stan yeah i don't know but um all the basics that i that i remember from from low level wing chun uh it's it's pretty fun to see them brought to life here and uh then of course is all the it man shit where you fucking rapid punch and stuff so he styles on you very very cool really fun he's got a move where he pulls a cane out and he hits you with the cane like um apparently you only do it once a match once per match yeah exactly yeah he it's a lot like killix like like a triangle hit where he knocks you in the balls i don't want to break my cane so i only hit you with him once yep yep so it's a one yeah leeward looks great once per match move really really fun and uh yeah and i saw along with leeward coming out they announced a fucking grappler

backing freakazoid for the white tie wrap so there's there's there's they also dropped ganryu who's now uh streamer alongside julia this is a good new meta and the fighting game streamer meta let's huge fan trying to do the same sign-offs which of course leads to the the screenshot of her watching him doing her sign-off on the stream yeah and having the most disgusted face oh it's hot everybody's like fucking immediately control paste that shit control c control v because oh she hates it yep the face of her the face of her disgust like has made everybody turgid oh man um real good real girls thinking you're disgusting is the best and you know ganryu is a sumo wrestler and nothing too distinct about him uh considering the other wrestlers in like virtuofighter for

example yeah he was he's not that different from taka he doesn't really have i mean he's kind of zany i guess but i mean he's he just doesn't stand out like a lot of the Tekken cast ihonda stands out yeah who does chanko stew and now he understands out the fact that he has a muscled belly which makes no sense mm-hmm and now um ganryu ganryu stands out because he's a streamer he's a loser he's also a big fanboy yeah so turning turning characters that have nothing going on into fanboys appears to be the the wave yeah because now that's happened to eddie yeah eddie's a lucky chloe fangirl now uh uh i want to say lei wulong is a fanboy as well yeah and he's a big fan of julia streams i think i think of julia yeah and and now you got ganryu in there so it's like

pretty it's it's it seems to be the wave but um lyra smith fucking rad really really cool character and i and i just yeah i i just fucked around with him for you know a little bit like last night and in that short time frame i guess uh i don't know a couple online matches and like maybe hour or two of lab time is able to like use the new functions so like i mean there's the there's the frame data function yeah the frame data stuff yeah um there's the stuff they're adding with they added with like uh uh punish training really and uh really that's great punish training is so good it's so good because it just you just pick the character you're fighting and then it goes here's a list of the moves that they do a lot right not that giant hundred move list here's like

10 20 of them and like it's gonna tell you like okay now do this with your character whenever they do that that's great and after you practice going through them it puts them on like a cycle then you can go to hard mode where it'll do them randomly yeah perfect and it won't show you the the answer let's fucking learn it yeah but it will if you fail it it'll hit the answer at you that's perfect right that's incredible so and then so like it'll it'll it'll go on so like at first you're just going down the list and practicing until you get it and then you put it on hard and then it'll start doing them randomly and then when you fail it shows you what it should have been but it still cycles to the next random move that's perfect yeah that's that's that's incredible it's

incredible everybody really good man if only there were one fighting game that just got every part of it Tekken is firing on all cylinders right now I wish I could find a game online that was fun to play we'll get to that in a second um that's this is Tekken 7 right now and it's such a good feature yeah I love it and I like I felt comfortable with Leroy first time touching him within minutes by just going to that and like picking a character I'm like okay let's let's let's mess around you know let's see what he's got against this yeah and you just learn oh after going through I picked um Ganryu right and I went through a bunch of them and I was like okay I noticed that of these like 20 moves or whatever or like 15 or so I noticed that they keep telling

me to do this one a bunch to punish yeah what I what the guy so I'm like that must mean this is a good move must mean that right so then you can then take that forward and go oh in a lot of situations try this first maybe I'll just trade favorably right yeah so I go immediately I'm like I like this is going this but it's just telling you this button this button good this button good button you know and I I was like man and it even has the decency when you're too far away from the character they run up to you to close the distance before doing that's really nice yeah because members like some moves like if you punish it from too far away it won't be you know what I mean yeah distant stuff so that'll run up to you and then just go all right now block this now do it

you know it really is of such a simple but amazing out of the Japanese fighting games I feel like Tekken is by far the closest to having the kind of stuff that needs to be there compared to say skull girls or killer instinct I mean those both have all three of the these games you've that you've mentioned are like killing it with quality of life features Tekken is the most solid Japanese entry yeah it's it's funny because I was talking with people and there was a thread about online matchmaking and it's like it's faster and easier to get a match in killer instinct right now despite it having a way lower player count the Tekken because the online is so much better that you can get this big wide swath of people in your country that you can play good matches on

and now we can go uh to the first item on the docket which is I just want to remind people uh-huh that haven't gone oh yeah by the way to the youtube channel hold back to block yes by estaban you know who sat down with Keats and talked about netcode yeah and my netcode is important if you have any opinions to voice on this matter and you either a haven't watched this or b don't know the stuff that's mentioned here I highly implore that you do so before talking about it because this is where you don't sound like an idiot anymore because you find out exactly what the deal is with rollback versus delay based netcode you understand what people are talking about and then we don't have one of those situations where

for example when the stadia announces net negative latency oh my god and people start doing the ai making the ai gags the game's gonna play played for me and it's like oh god no no now you sound dumb because make fun of the stadia but that tech is real yes please make fun of the stadia right but that tech is real and making fun of that and then in the in the next post championing ggpo which does the same thing well it's all a bunch of complicated shit but here's the thing about the stadia people weren't making fun of negative latency because they didn't understand the technology people were making fun of negative of negative latency for the stadia because they were lying but but what i'm saying is is is well yeah they they're their

entire application of it fucking garbage yeah right but the the the rollback tech exists and like when you spot it right know it if you know enough about it then you can kind of be like oh i recognize what that is so that you're not making fun of like the way that works because clearly it does work really well when implemented problem i gotta say i i do know a lot less about this than you do and uh i am in this place of just make good yep just make good just make good just make good is the bottom line just make good is the bottom line right but like the second sentence you say after just make good will often make you sound really dumb or that's fine possibly like you know you know whatever a lot of people are dumb out there or whatever or like what you're

asking for is not possible make good fuck fast just make good fast yes um i'm pimping this up because it is it's an 18 minute video it's a discussion and it is it is literally like it is the end of the argument in terms of like what we need and why we need to use rollback right well number one is because it works it works but it explains a couple other things you might not have considered including like having good rollback doesn't just make the net play feel better it makes you able it opens up the amount of people you can play makes matchmaking times faster it gives you the ability to play more people overall outside your region if you can only play against the five people near you that have good connections four of those people are gods

you're gonna have that shitty online experience time to leave if i can grab 50 people and 10 in each category are all at different skill levels i can stick with the 10 that are my skill level and not have that horrible experience that makes me want to quit let's take steam and let's take killer instinct and let's take tecan let's say that i can play everyone on the continental united states in killer instinct and have a decent match even if even if the population for tecan is 20 times larger than the population for killer instinct my actual player count that i can play against is higher in killer instinct because i can play against everybody on the continental united states and have a decent match thus the density of your player base has a higher quality to it but

woolly you're forgetting something none of this matters in japan no it doesn't slash there's not in japan you can do delay based and the delay is so minimal it's one frame that there's the whole country that no one cares right and that's where a huge audience is so who could why would you why would you spend this extra time and money yeah so well here's the problem is it spending extra money it is spending a bit extra money yeah but like you're gonna spend the money anyway yeah whether whether you spend it on a bad netcode or a good netcode you're not gonna it's not the difference between zero and rollback listen you would need some kind of super programmer to do this yeah as the fucking quote from i think the tecan devs we would need a super programmer

to institute rollback i mean the again the obviously ggpo's out there it's now open it's now open license right like um there's there's things you have to do in your game to allow it to uh run a third state offscreen and then jump to that to correct itself right that might not be in your initial game code and that's an understood fact but we've seen people put rollback into existing games already we've seen games from the past come back implemented it is a cost you do incur but it's not i'm i'm really torn and i'm getting insane i'm getting toxic and i think it might be league but i'm in this weird place where it's like if the if the if the if the guilty gear devs come out and say yeah yeah we're not thinking about it right now so you're like i don't care to

no no no let me no let me finish if they come out be like yeah we're not going to do rollback we really don't think it's the fit i'm like boy i hope somebody fucking blows you dumb asses up with something with fuck i hope that canon game fucking rushes your shit yeah because you're all just too fucking stubborn yeah like it it's annoying i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm tilted about it i mean stupid at least it's at least honest in that that that he that they're saying that like the team is arguing right it's not even like we are as a united yeah and you know what that makes me almost even more frustrated because you know what the team is arguing someone's arguing their point and someone's going yeah but it's just not the way we do it it's just not the way things are done

as someone who's been at dev studios during meetings that kind of sound like that you'd be surprised how petty it can get this is the way we do things here it can get petty right and what will happen sometimes and you know this tactic very well do i all right let's hear it you like let's hear it where if someone is valid in what they're putting forward yeah but someone else is loud verbose and strongly opinionated right regardless of the facts there is a amazing article that somebody photoshopped with my head on it that was wow guy is super wrong but also very loud so who knows which i think would i think sums this up perfectly then the person the third person in the room who's holding the purse strings yeah might be who knows i can't

tell i can't tell which one do i shoot right because the facts matter less and the big strong argument matters more loud who can shake their baby fists harder and then who can go back to their desk and write up the perfect follow-up email to completely discredit the other person persuasion is a skill it is and it's unfortunately completely untied to technical know how or being right or what is yeah or what is yeah persuasion as a skill has nothing to do with reality trust me as someone with an extremely low persuasion persuasion i can't even say it can't even say it my inability to formulate proper arguments for things i want to say on this podcast on a weekly basis frustrates me because i like did you know that if you were better persuasive fighting games

would be the most popular genre by now if i could explain better so much so much clarity could be given to at least offer why i'm coming from where i'm coming from yeah but i have a hard time with it and i need time to formulate those words it's it is one of my just speak louder yes it's a good tactic that's my free tip of the day want people to believe you raise the volume 20 percent it's crazy how well that works it's stupid it's upsetting it's upsetting what i actually do is frequently put pauses and speed bumps and stops to stagger for time yeah while i try to figure out that makes you look really contemplative and intelligent sure yeah but i'm actually trying to figure out how to say the best thing i can to communicate what i want to communicate

effectively and when i fail to get to it in the time frame it sucks because then you just go well will he lost and i'm like yeah i guess i did i lost the debate point on the stage even if it was in favor of um and that's when you take your ball home go start a new company and make a better fighting game that has rollback net go yeah um so anyway just hey man vaccines are important are they yeah but i used to be a model okay i'd rather if you called us vaccine risk aware thank you very much anti-vaxxers is derogatory yeah well i could call them some other names if they prefer i'd be glad to yeah child murderers how about that yeah so uh so anyway um my dad had fucking polio and i brought this up to him and he didn't even have words to say he just kind of made

out breath noise and just nothing like oh we should take everyone who's anti-vaccine and inject them with fucking smallpox that's probably too much that's probably too far castle super but it but it would be poetic castle super beast pro tip when uh pat begins a sentence with we should feel free to mentally stop listening delete the rest of the sentence until it's over until you hear my voice again then at which point you know it's safe all right yeah okay so i know you know what we should do is is the is the real the you know part is like so uh i employ everybody to go watch talking netcode with adam keats heart that's really good if you have any care or information or want to know anything about the topic and there's a

discussion right now being had which is really important as well which is um converting and translating this video into japanese and then spreading it oh so that japanese people perhaps yeah that's one of the things hey i mean this this is much wider than fighting games or even video games but uh i see a lot of people you complain about the animes or the mongas or the whatever are you complaining in the right language then your complaints will literally never be heard yeah um it's such a candid discussion it's so to the point and it leaves no stone unturned in in that brief period of time that like the person who is in that boardroom who's having a rough go trying to argue against the other person who is standing on the rock of tradition help him out a

little bit you have a provided list of bullet points in this video to help you win that argument that's what this needs to do you know what's stupid tradition i agree i'm glad we can agree you know wait i've been somewhat deflated by your recent pro tip i've lost some of my power i'll figure out a way to get back what else we got for news stuff happened speaking of resident evil ah they finally fucking announced resident evil three coming we can talk state of play we can talk was that on state of play i didn't even know that was the only news that i heard coming out of it um i had a very weird reaction to seeing uh jill because i was like the oh my god that's

how she dressed a little bit a little not quite she had a tube top and a skirt with a with a a sweater but the stars uniform that's one that fucking paramilitary shit with the that's shoulder pads that's my brain yeah yeah or the purple cat suit with the blonde hair from five which is terrible wow what a yeah she was in casual wear that's the botchiest it's the shittiest is so awful the blonde hair it's like someone wanted her to be a different person yeah they did but they wanted to do they wanted uh her to tie back into chris so whatever uh yeah resident evil three it the fucking looks really good nemesis has a nose now they continued using and building stages after they finished two and the what the speed that this is coming

out this had to have been in development for almost as long they never stopped there there's no way this this was not in development when re2 was also in development there's too much work to be done yeah um looks uh the the dodge move is in which is important because i mean you played re2 you fought mr x mr x is a problem but mr x walks top speed at a brisk walk nemesis sprints and shoots guns so the movement abilities in two we're not going to cut it now that we see that the dodge move is assigned to a button problem solve with nemesis dodges punches or die great um the ability to do crazy mercenary shit is still uh probably not going to be no it's actually been replaced by project resistance which is that multiplayer game they've been showing up for a while that

people thought was going to be standalone release no it's a it's the multiplayer version of of of nemesis does that mitigate the pain any absolutely who cares all right like i'm not going to buy it so it's in it's in your it's free it's in your your re3 yeah i'll play it an afternoon i guess what do you think of the faces i think they're great they weren't going to use any of the old people they were going to do redesigns and they get scanned in and they're for performance capture so right jill looks specifically european sure i guess in her features uh i like their redesign the tube top uh it is a fucking pre-order costume which is a little surprising but like the tube top with the mini skirt it was like really in the in the zombo come on carlos has a nose carlos is

scruffy as shit now carlos has a a hunker carlos is like he he got changed from like south american pretty boy to like scruffy like let's go fucking shoot some some narcos looking guy well he's still he still reminds me of miguel he looks he didn't used to look like miguel okay now he totally looks like miguel okay um you remember hey willy you played r2 you remember that fucking shower in the rpd on the second floor they had a busted wall yep nemesis is going to break that the fuck down for sure 100 percent that's going to be his entrance when you go to the rpd because the very like the the first level in re3 is the streets then it's the first uh it's the west half of the rpd and then you leave again so they'll be but it's a day earlier so that'll

totally be him busting the wall down and be like hey i'm a big monster man hello i have a rocket launcher that's cool yeah do you just what happens after this i would assume you go on to four again or do you go back to one four is the game that needs to be remade the least ever right now ever and second is one right no you totally redo one when they were what in fact there's an interview when they were doing doing the press you know tour for two they're like it wouldn't be out of out of the question to make a remake of remake i don't think so i think the next thing that we'll see next year is re8 is and it will be in this style it will be no need to go back in this it'll be after seven and all this but no but no need but no need to revisit older no um code Veronica

fuck cvx turn it into something else turn it into a completely different game thank you cv but alfred ashford's fucking hilarious zero it'd be nice for zero to be good that'd be nice but uh yeah no you know it's like the remake five yeah yeah because the cheapest thing to do was to be just to keep the train rolling these are the two that people wanted yeah yeah that's the difference is that these were the two that were like the best setting they ever had and were the coolest scenario and what accomplishing success and gang buster sales with these two is not going to make capcom want to stop yeah but they should make re8 in this style because it's the style re2 just beat its own sales record brazil able to has now sold more than the lifetime

units of resin able to which is impressive because they could also just make eight like seven they should make eight like two and three that's why i think people like seven they did but you i mean you can now you have two different types of you can see the development path of like seven to two to three now because like they they are following a through fare the main the number one thing as somebody's played all of these main lines and it's like the number one thing in these games is that zombies are totally actually the best enemies they ever had the molded suck they're fucking terrible the the fucking goo monsters in the revelations games are terrible like zombies make for good god damn enemies in a horror game just fucking shut up make it the t virus again

and in six you had zombies but they were running and sprinting it's no it's not the same give me give me a fucking give me a re7 thing but with zombos from the over the shoulders do it completely i had to stop and think about what six was you did didn't you yeah fucking mercenaries with with goo arm on the right and ak on the on the left yeah i don't fucking trash dude it's the only mainline resident evil game i never finished also when did two come out last year yeah okay so so that's why i'm like next year feels like it would be re8 rolling train rolling train there's no way they made this in here this had to have been like co developed alongside they also said it's not being developed primarily by capcom it's being developed by a new company

from former platinum employees what yeah the c a former ceo of platinum made a new company with former platinum employees to work for capcom we got a name i don't remember the name of it um yeah two came out this year yeah and what's the fucking name company working on re3 it's fucking former platinum game ceo tatsuya minami clover seeds the company called m2 ink is operating just outside of capcom's headquarters in osaka and is contributing to the development of the publishers just announced remake well that's very exciting so we make okay so capcom makes clover then clover dies and becomes platinum seeds then seeds then platinum then platinum splits and becomes m2 which becomes a borderline subsidiary of capcom

still its own entity yeah side but sitting outside a cap like like 10 feet away this is how the the beautiful joe okami gene yeah it's it's getting so silly this is how we get back it's so silly we come back to the family um yeah man that's uh that's that's pretty dope and plus they have a modeling they have a model template of success to follow there are now three capcoms essentially i mean what's the other capcom platinum oh no platinum's platinum's cap cap platinum's better than cap get out that's not true they haven't made a single fighting game and i stand by that is that your your no i'm saying but i love i think platinum's is that good okay so wait you're

saying that the goodness of a company is defined by how little fighting games they put out no i'm saying you would think i would go the other way on it okay okay sorry i'm doing it again you would think i would automatically go the place that all the fighting games were but i'm going the other way on it because of the quality of what they made is what you said was platinum's way better than plat sorry platinum's way better than capcom they've never put out a fighting game and i stand by that and what that means is they're a great company great companies don't put out fighting games no what that means is they've never put out a fighting game and i stand by that all right okay only a bad company would put out a fighting game so um yeah track record how many failures a couple but

there were license craps so nobody pays attention and really like like i stand by the fact i'm like look at the end of the day the failures that were uh uh if you're saying if you're talking about transformers kora and ninja turtles while ninja turtles is worse than those two they still have some cool combat shit in them and kora and transformers are not that bad you know i will i like transformers love it and kora yeah yeah that's fine um but there's some good ass combat happening in these games that have other problems you know um they didn't make star fox zero they they did asset creation you know um so but yeah anyway uh what what what tecan is missing is that netcode that was the link i wanted to draw earlier now we're talking about platinum so alongside this

platinum announcement we might as well move right over to the first look at babelon's fall hey man hey guess what do you like summon swords um specifically demon sword dante do you like it because i got tweeted towards a hey yo check it out it's virtual summon swords the game and i'm like no no that's demon sword dante yeah but people don't know that like a lot of people don't know that summon swords is old hat now summon swords is astral chains uh uh blade yeah blade legion abilities the way you see this thing fucking using its different floaty swings even the color and the way they appear and disappear is very much fucking like what you get in dmc five yeah it also has like near esk it does yeah self

autonomous swinging swords feelings to them so that's what i think of i think of uh near and i think of uh dante uh yeah you're looking at a fucking so the footage is just a bunch of combos happening at one point uh the character does a wire snatch yeah like just does it um it's nice to see all the character action people just like basically working off of each other's ideas uh and confirming that with this video they're like oh this game is going to play the way you were hoping yep so it's we don't know anything about anything yeah it's still really vague no fucking info but they showed you some character action combat and you go yep good platinum thank you near ish platinum ish good good ish there's your launcher here's your

air sting here's your wire here's your little flashy effect on your big boss yeah charging and doing the big boss boy thing here's a moment of you uh having a sword clash with the big boss and then you steal their sword and then swing it yes so um we will find out more but that's a platinum game happening hooray uh also it's state of play they showed off the fun little ditty that is predator hunting grounds this is look okay looks okay looks like a predator game you do the predator things still not evolve with a predator as the asymmetrical monster but the trailer did show off a canon female predator so tina tina confirmed for predator hunting that's the right name right it's been a while since i heard it i mean i'm like if if they

didn't get their shit from the old channel then i don't know what but monster with titties i would love to hope i would love to hope yes but i would love to hope that somewhere along the line someone on the team i'm not going to say they they they they saw our stuff first but i'd like to think they saw our stuff while they were already making this stuff and maybe all they were searching for big old quote unquote research material they found that plague agribus video yeah and just watched i don't get it man a female predator seems like the most unappealing of the monster women yeah you're right you don't get it you know what you win i don't get it so i also don't get the monster women thing in general it's always fun seeing how they implement

the uh the heat fission and looks like they got it pretty right in this too so yay predator stuff april 24th oh yeah this uh this uh march april is gonna be fucked by the way enjoy playing the the ff7 remake res neville 3 and cyberpunk within a five week span do you want to see the female predator no i've seen it coward i suppose i am a coward woolly i suppose i am stay to play also showed off a trailer for something really cool it's that optical illusion shit super liminal super liminal so this is a remake of a college game called the museum of technology institute which is not a great name but it is a cool game in which

perception is reality stanley parable ish vibes lots of impossible space love it looks great looks cool massively disorienting very motion sickness causing i'm sure uh might that's alright in vr for sure with a flat uh regular screen you'll probably be okay yeah by you i mean me but yeah um also scary just because accidentally making objects gargantuan sized and being fearful of being crushed by them yeah that happens every time i take my dick out well well you get used to the fear game looks good yeah game looks really good i know somebody out there wants to give me a high five so here you go

i did it for you no one wants to touch you i'm sure someone wanted to give me a high five come on man that's a high five that's a high fiver right there one of the best reasons ever yes for delaying a game is to make it cooler thank you i fucking knew you were gonna say that thank you gungrave oh man gungrave gore delay to 2020 in order to make it a cooler game that's such a good quote ah now i care about this game the trailer they revealed got so many views and it motivated them so much that they had the drive to make the game even cooler than what they wanted to make they will not give up until they present you with a cooler game this is the official statement

it's so good from the team behind gungrave gore oh it's so straightforward and honest and easy to understand oh fuck a lot of people watch this they're getting excited we better make this shit really cool oh man everybody stop what you're doing and work on cool i want i just i want i just walk over a whiteboard write cool and then write in ur next to it question mark but does this not explain and answer your questions about the cowboy yeah is this not what you wanted to know i don't get it this is what this is the answer all the answers cooler the answers are why would he because shut up shut up he's cool though that's it zombie cowboy shoot gun he's got a cross on his back why he's got coffins on chains but why he's got a cowboy hat but why

shut up oh it's cool yeah that does completely explain that doesn't it hey what a wonderful what a nifty little ad i'm running into on this website showing off some fine merchandise here um some some t-shirts that can be acquired oh wow that's a that's a nifty little ad look at that oh whatever thanks yeah oh there it goes well he goes to move the monitor to show me and then gives up one second in whatever it's our shirts all right on google ad search that's cool i like that they're good shirts they're comfy to wear they will make you more attractive than you normally would be that is true somebody will go oh man is that a woolly versus and or pat stairs at and or castle super be shirt damn my genitals are aroused i was wondering what words you'd pick

i mean genitals how do you cover all your bases it's all nice and all inclusive because then i gotta go like either or yeah or i gotta go real real detailed and one is textured the other one yeah or you could say blood is flowing to my fuck place okay well you could say that you could no one can stop you you'd be like my secondary sex characteristics are swelling with excitement engorged yeah things are becoming engorged speaking of things becoming engorged all right okay all right jumping back to the platinum okay bayonetta and vanquish 10th anniversary bundle launch edition hits february 18th 2020 we had rumors because people were able to figure uh that some somewhere there's some sort of vanquish something happening yeah it was a little

hd in the hd what are we doing here uh bayonetta and vanquish 10th anniversary bundle just how about we get a bayonetta three trailer in that release yeah nintendo will do when nintendo wants to either i suppose i don't know i imagine there will be a proper direct yeah to talk about bayonetta when the time comes hey vanquish and bayonetta want our good games now everybody playing this everybody listening to this has already clearly uh played and or uh seen bayonetta played and vanquish and knows the deal obviously vanquish they might not have yeah that's true so uh the game we were always too cowardly to lp yeah well you everyone we're hearing this definitely checked out woolly versus bayonetta certainly obviously so uh vanquish on the other hand is a game that is

equally amazing for platinum jumping into a genre and just fucking crushing it uh standards and uh it is 100 worth your time to check it out is you have a really incredible final boss fight it's a very very really really incredible vanquish is very very good it's very very very good you're missing out if you haven't seen or played vanquish you should play vanquish it's very very good you go real fast in that game very very good very fast um shout outs to uh god what's the twitter account nailed it oh you're doing it man you're doing it you're doing it you're doing it you're doing it yeah cool twitter account makes amazing gifts of awesome moments son he legend son hi legend or son hi legend put out a really cool cool vanquish gift to show you

that dude puts out amazing amazing work to show you what you can do in vanquish in game beautiful is it son here son hi i don't know i've never been i don't know that dude's the i think he follows me on twitter i got really excited yeah gift master somebody asked him hey how do you get these incredible moments and he's just like i do them over and over and over and over until i get the until it happens yeah it's like desk you just got to keep doing it yeah uh desk is a really cool combo video person for fighting games i would not call him a person i would call him a robot or some form of cyborg desk is a really cool uh autonomous life form yeah he's he has this stupid shit he pulls it's it's it's it's stupid

shit it's fucking it's fucking dumbo gonzo crap he'd do with the fighting games other news uh is gonna come to us from last night slash this morning why do they gotta do these things so early in the whatever man nintendo did an indie direct and uh someone incorrectly tipped me off that it was gonna happen right as this podcast was going down but it turned out we were getting ready to fucking livestream it and then it was like i got here and we was like yeah it was like 10 hours ago well um so what's going down is we've got uh the nindie world showcase where they are nintendo indie world showcase where they showed off a couple of different trailers of note golf story two is called sports story okay cool so i heard good things about golf

story never close golf story rpg where you're golf world golfing you're golfing okay and you're doing rpg shit but you're but you're golfing you're golfing now you're sports you're sports and i like that um streets of rage four adam hunter is back he's got a daughter he looks fucking great was that skate grown up i maybe i'm not uh i didn't look cool as shit i didn't say get too much so i didn't i didn't streets of rage that much but this game was really cool when i tried it and uh i love the sprites i love the sprite work here looks really fun good ass beat him up um skates his brother okay so showing off uh you can check it out in the in the trailer but yeah that's coming early next year axon verge two got announced axiom verge two did get announced i like that they've

completely inverted the color palette okay well an overall style let's just go in order here uh gleam light was the uh game with no ui that had hollow night vibes to it really yeah um kind of your look at your little platforming creature that looks almost like a red mage i'm gonna i'm gonna look at this i'm gonna look at the some ears green light and uh it yeah no hide you just kind of walk around and platform in the in this type of way very very hollow night vibes okay i can't search for images i have to i can only search oh that does look like it oh that does big look like hollow night that that really really really looks like hollow night yeah that's that's gleam light hey you know what happens when you type in gleam light into into google the first result

is gleam light the second result is gleam light game and the third result is gleam light hollow night uh they showed off bacon switch which is a party game uh party game like baked cooked thing like um baked cooked overcooked or whatever uh super mash they showed off uh which seems pretty interesting because uh it's the kind of game idea that i like to think about actually this is totally something from my playbook where you pick two genres from a list of game design genres and then it mashes them up smash that stupid shit together into yeah into a a um a randomly generated new game so you see schmups platformers j rpg's uhvania like it goes there's a list of many cartridges that it cycles through uh and then it generates a whole new type of game that's interesting yeah

so you and you see there's even like sims like 3d there's uh zelda uh like um um link to the past style overworld is ff style rpging it's plat side scroller platformers schmuppin so on and so on and so on and so on and so on so it looks like it could be a pretty fun idea um and then you have to try and complete the the mix the mashed up level and and collect i guess reward cards for doing so lots of sprites of different coins and qualities a little metal gear references in there and stuff little fun stuff so yeah i'm having trouble hearing you i got a just a blast at tonight us just now whoa fucking sick oh there it goes the talos principle is also getting that's that game about robots and puzzles and shit right puzzle game yep it's the uh it's the robot solving the puzzles

another entry into the first person puzzle genre cool is that a genre yeah i guess i guess it is and i'm all about it uh we got sail forth dauntless murder by numbers dauntless is bad thumbs up um odd world strangest wrath hd that's weird gate burb talked about this at packs skateboard looks hilarious skateboard you are a bird on a skateboard and you are doing your best that's just an end of story when i played it i thought it was very fun and it continues to look fun based on this footage everybody please enjoy skateboard makes me think somebody had a tech deck out and their budgies got on it yeah and rolled a little bit yeah anyone and the guy was like ha ha oh man

that's adorable all right time to get to work yeah no uh i i would love to see the accompanying i i would like to imagine that's what the creator was thinking i think she probably has birds but i would love to see a uh real life inspired series of videos check out my birds doing sick lip tricks putting their verbs on on on uh on tech decks exactly couple amps bird up uh show on television everyone liberated takes a page out of uh inside uh it is a is it just inside but it's not because it's it's inside but you're it's happening inside of comic book panels and it's super noir okay um but like the gameplay looks very inside when oh man doesn't so uh this looks very that looks like inside this looks like a

really fun three hour game are you guys getting this feeling that a lot of indie games now when you look at them you get this feeling of like wow that looks a lot like that other indie game you know what that means indie games are becoming real games oh mark of maturity we're hitting saturation yeah yeah i mean like and the the and the the top of those like reference points are becoming legendary yeah right like at this point undertale is cemented as put all time whatever big thing right up there with earth um shovel night putting out their their finally complete they finally completed the journey they've put out like five mega man games and if it was everything they promised with that initial kickstarter and they

did it they did all of it and it's all gonna be hollow night came out and then bundled together came out and then came out and they were all the greatest yeah now silk song's gonna come out a one one day in 10 years uh shout out to the treasure show by the way shovel night go go fucking support them making quality shovel night shit for the last five years uh boyfriend dungeon date your weapon pretty straightforward your weapons they're hot man you all fuck them questions you fuck them done done it's like the zeno but in creepy dungeon crawling what a waifu game for girls for girls the most important distinction necessary date your weapons boyfriend dungeon um and then they show you the the different archetypes and and who

they become yeah are they all smoldering with intensity uh they're all very square jawed and eligible yes isek sundar valeria soyer one of them an elf boy uh almost yeah i knew it i knew it they gotta put them in there i mean he's a student but yeah uh dreamscaper the survivalists axiom verge two as you mentioned yeah so uh that's all uh cool shit that uh was dropped and please look forward now commence forgetting half of the games we talked about and done don't forget about scaper yeah that yeah don't forget about that one streets of rage four is also very i mean that one doesn't need to be remembered that'll get press um you know and these other ones could could be cool uh okay so

that is that yeah that's that's that's pretty much the deal did willy just spotlight a homo erotic dungeon crawler for more time than axiom verge yes yes he did that's fine though axiom verge is in a good game and i can feel it problem i can feel it problem it's hitting me do you ever feel like you're psychic because you can do you feel other people's thoughts mm-hmm i feel very psychic right now mm-hmm what's up axiom verge sucks i don't like it oh i don't like it it's bad oh from the way you jumped to it in the conversation the second one looks looks way better i didn't think that was the case i think the first game is like hideous wow i didn't like any of the power up wait don't you hate uh metroid i don't like the original metroid so then yeah well it's a

fucking what's the what's the point of this conversation i don't know i can't figure out what the exact line has to be crossed for me to like them to not because i like the primes love the primes well those are very different in gameplay i like all the games that were based off of metroid but not the actual metroid games it's very weird i don't know what the deal is do you yeah do you like the games that were based most of them yeah whenever something has metroid elements i'm like i like that these are like um zeo drifter i don't know what that is so i would i would i mean question mark i just i thought it was a write-off for you entirely i don't get it i don't i don't get

metroid i think it's mainly i just don't like shooting a gun in a metroid game i like swing sword that's better i think both can be satisfying if designed in a really good way sure i guess i mean you don't have a gun in metroid you have a plasma buster i'll get the fuck out of your fucking ass with that distinction no it it but it specifically like does it feel like a gun certainly it's meant to just like shoot these little fine i don't i would rather swing a melee option than fire yeah yeah fucking asshole well it's not a gun you see it's a plasma cannon actually different well it is different though because notice that um it has a huge impact on the way let's say um uh what's that game called um shadow complex feels because you pull out you

fire guns in shadow complex right i actually really like shadow complex yeah and it's not like uh i think it's the project i'll travel time the budget yeah yeah i think that might be it that's the megamanish thing yeah right but i like megaman but you but like these and like shadow complex it's more of a hit scan yeah yeah it's a gun like shadow complex doesn't hold up as well as you think it does by the way but my point makes a bummer like it it it is it does make a difference you know why can't metroid crawl shadow complex doesn't hold up no i was playing it a little while ago and it wasn't the the crazy breath of fresh air that it used to be because shadow complex came out at the this era of like this massive dearth of those kinds of games now there's

a bunch of them so the the context and the the bar for quality has raised since then yeah no we've come a long way that's god that's two generations ago sure oh uh no thanks i don't want to go back to the 360 generation that was a bad generation the worst generation if you will i disagree i'm sorry you need to pay me your ten dollars for your online pass to disagree me oh that's a that's a bad part um but a lot of fucking crazy shit came out in that era all right well then what's your worst generation the one before nintendo the atari crash were you even alive during that yes are you sure that that's not fair didn't that happen in the 80s yeah yeah you were only born in 80s

eight 88 i'm an 88 kid am i are you 89 no i'm not 87 no i don't know just tell me the 85 85 so you're actually a year older than me okay because i was born in 86 okay there we go 85 uh what did the atari crash in like 88 89 the nests came out in 85 so no you were not alive during that period it was still the worst period fuck off this is the worst generation we're talking literal it wasn't even a generation until the nests video games started the nests all right get this boomer shit out of my face all right resident evil four all right yeah anyone old enough to argue this point is somebody i don't want to listen to it

worst generation when i was alive i mean the problem is is the highest the highest highs and the lowest lows like kind of go hand in hand right yeah um now the time that i felt like the most dead with interest was almost like the we shovelware era that was the 360 ps3 era but like when it hits its lowest lows you're also like because for me that era is me having to send in multiple 360s because they would die all the online past season past shit lock dlc shit happening the ps3 being a piece of shit and the we being the biggest letdown ever three five four and um and you know what i'm falling into it again i'm falling into that i'm i can't i can't formulate my points quickly i have

no retort here i'm there's i dropped my mouse did here it is again did you drop it did you throw it in a rage here's where here's literally exactly the moment where yeah give me 10 minutes to come back to this okay while you start throwing your things around like the baby tantrum one would expect of pat that's my gimmick i do the baby tantrums don't steal my gimmick yeah i don't know i get what did you did you it was the first thing you said that that was the worst generation yeah it was the first thing you said like that that generation is garbage right i don't want to go back there what was the first thing you said because it was the first thing a quality like if it was a comparative statement to the greatness of other

generations yeah i think my brain would have went down another path versus if it was just objectively saying that that's well i mean that shit was garbage yeah so my brain is inclined to go wait that doesn't make sense there's a whole lot of really good stuff that for me those are necessarily comparative now if we're if you're going well like if you're going like mountaintop to mountaintop right if you're going you know the best of the ps1 era to the best of the PS2 era to the best you judge that shit by the worst then you're fucking you're it's it's getting wild judged by the worst you know there are some fucking lows in that you can go for the half generation of the dreamcast in between man others talk about lows man you can you can go for the

you know dreamcast sucked the alt we're far enough away that we can talk about the fact you can go from the all for the alt generations like the jaguar and the panasonic i don't consider those real okay well i don't think they really existed but they were late they were after playstation 3 right i'm sorry playstate after sorry they were after the playstation one yeah a couple of years man that's your existence so you have these half step garbage generations that you can point to i don't think the jaguar is a real console i don't think it ever really existed i think everyone's playing a big joke you know there's full on there's full on eras based on generational divides that you can go look up the wiki well i mean if you had an n64 that was

obviously the worst generation for you because but yeah yeah i bought so many games during the 360 era yeah me too that i'm like that doesn't sound right that and then that's essentially the basis of my objection is what so that's there's so many good games i bought it was also like the creation of the dlc i mean on an industry adaptation level that's a different metric i don't know i throw it all together in one big pile so i can make whatever point i want to make i hate lists they're not nuanced enough what are you talking about lists are great go go check out the views on the what culture top 10 wrestling moments that weren't really scripted i didn't ask i didn't say lists aren't popular i didn't say lists don't gather the most but i just i i it personally i hate him i don't

like him i don't like it the top five things that woolly hates talking about number one vomit no that's obviously not true we talked so much about vomit today yeah it's a it's just a call to rt to yell about shit that like probably in some cases you can't like in many cases it's apples and oranges but it's like drank those fruits asshole well you know if you're eating them apples are better than oranges but if you're drinking them oranges are way better than apples also apples used to be oranges the direction it invariably goes in is that of game facts list makers yeah and that's just fucking garbage there's a primal fucking it's just primates like monkey desire of mine to see that fucking l block win again every year do they still do that even i thought you're

gonna say i thought you're going to completely different direction because i i thought you were gonna say there's a primal uh uh urge in all of us to list and rank and see the best well i mean that is actually innate yes right totally and and it reminds me of that episode of pen and tellers bullshit yeah um i think it was like in the third or so season yeah where they have an episode called the best yeah and it's just like our obsession with the best is stupid and that's why you shouldn't pay your tax what sorry and it's a really good episode it's a really good episode of uh of that show where they basically just go like yeah everything we do all we market our entire lives are all about trying to uh pitch quality at people enter in this like way that like has has

acts as if everything has a universal metric when it doesn't yeah you know so when it's like yo make a fucking top 10 list i'm like hey or the top five rappers of all time you put big just just say whether you put biggie over pox so we can decide oh well whether it's coming to blows right no it's dial on dial on dial on dial on and dial on because he spits hot fire yes there you go that's the only top five list you ever need that's all you need yeah you know it either it either goes down like it's either going to be top five it's the most discussed it's either top five rappers or top five comedians and then it just it's incredible it becomes me where all you have to do is say x is better than y

and people's like animal brains turn on and they go insane but but that's all i'm trying to say is all i'm trying to say is hey guys remember pro scub anti scub yeah anti scub forever pro scub go die like that's all i feel like pro scub anti scub is this amazing way to tell what somebody's personality like yeah it's like given no information are you pro or against it that's that's it you know and and it does fucking chat for this this stream podcast just exploded the instant you said the word scub i know but even before that when it was like when you were talking about the generations and the then the this and the then the list of the games and all that stuff and we're just going through these different bits of it and i'm like what am i

trying to say here and it took me this long yeah to get to the point that is like i don't like lists and pro scub anti scub is a really good example of a comic that kind of established this point for me already yeah and i couldn't i can't pull that out in the first 15 seconds and it would help me so much better if i could the trick is the trick is really easy well you don't actually argue your real point you just find whatever dumb bullshit you can think of to tap into people's dumb animal brains and make them stupid so then they'll listen to anything you say i mean remember when we started talking about vomiting in the shirts i do okay so the the way you went on that was it you took a stance that made me the advocate for shirt vomiting that's right now you now you

are pro shirt vomit the the when i mentioned it at the beginning of me mentioning it yeah i was bringing it up to describe like a possibility a possibility that can result in a horrible mess yeah but based on the stance you took the back stance you took immediately and then and then thrust it at now you want to vomit in people's shirts and now i have and now i'm forced to defend shirt vomiting i have to it's the only way you need to do it and then i'm like okay hold on stop i was not advocating for shirt vomiting at the beginning of this discussion but now i know that has forced me to have this this this discussion now i'm going to find a place where what is acceptable to me if the circumstance is bad and by the end of the podcast all anyone's gonna remember

that will he told you to vomit into your shirt for fun yes and if you vomit anywhere other than your shirt you're disgusting this is literally how it works it's it's crazy you did so you did it another time earlier in this in this podcast yeah where i had to say stop you're putting out a stance that is positioning me in a place that i was not going it's funny because right people are naturally oppositional right and it's this thing that back when i did martial arts a million years ago and i'm sure you learned this in boxing is that when you push on somebody they very naturally push back so all you have to do to make somebody take a stance they don't want to do is just take the opposite stance and put your fucking flag in the dirt and go i don't think you should vomit in your

own clothes and the next thing you know i'm talking about barfing and stef's purse yeah you got i mean and now stef's gonna come home people are gonna message like you know woolly's thinking about vomiting in your purse and that's not even where i was going to begin with he says it's the moral imperative i was literally bringing it up to talk about how it usually probably ends in a horrible mess yeah but anyway that this and this is this is the whole thing because the entire takeaway there is is now yeah that's this is an attribute of woolly's it's crazy so when you so the fact like you doing this over the course of years with me not around yeah what chance do i have to not be associated with the only way you gotta do is play dirtier you gotta play dirty you just gotta

invent things did you know that pat actually shits his pants every time he says he's worried about it yeah but you but i am i am the but i've covered that ground i am the forced straight man i've seen your tonight i seeded it you have there is no people are so ready for me to shit my pants yes that when i said i was gonna cancel a stream because i was running to the bathroom the overwhelming consensus was like fuck you coward do it do it you pussy shit your pants like that's weird i may have gone too far you're asking me to have a an underwater battle and you have scales and gills yeah yeah you know woolly play to win like why would you ever fight fair ever it's not even about

fighting yeah it is human human nature is confrontational if you're not fighting what's the point of living and we gotta kill superman i once on a stream started talking about what the what would the point of this perfect society be if there's no conflict then there's nothing to live for then there's no one to fight and if you're not fighting anyone why are you even getting up in the morning because the nature of all human existence is conflict and and i'm like oh i'm a supervillain i have become an actual supervillain and in the moment when i when my brain detects a possibility at comedy gold yes i then go all right let's sit here let's sit here let's take this dance yeah and then and then it goes and i implore the viewer the viewer and or listener at

home to listen carefully and with an ear for detail to possibly see if you can detect these moments if and when they occur oh it's it's where i put forth you could write a supposition yeah and you throw back a line yeah a line where i had none why there was no line does there need to be a line in the sand but the line is drawn and then suddenly by you standing and yelling across that line the bit begins but i have to take a stance that i did not call to begin with i really like ice cream vanilla ice cream is the best ice cream and if you don't think it is the best you are a fool it's i'm not saying it happens every time but it certainly happens often enough ah what can i say i can't help it it's my nature if it's funny it's for the best well sometimes

it's not as funny as you think no and then other times like people are going other times you're like wait i'm into what now that's i defended what guys what are you talking and you know what hey guess what it applies to everyone at home you're you're into it now everyone who wanted to avoid a smelly floor you like to puke in your own clothing that's you it's you at home like i don't even remember them i was trying to think of an example to be like here's an example of something that i was put onto a stance on that i literally do not believe slash i'm not even really that much i mean you believe dogs can't talk which is extra insane right and then we saw that clip of uh the person making the dog go and press the buttons to say

the words and then someone else came back and said that's not the same because um it's a it's a pattern recognition thing that you can teach well woolly i have a question for you yeah how do you explain caesar malan the dog whisperer i guess i'm i'm not dogs you're gonna argue with caesar you know that the term whispering came from um like when they had the horse whisperer right that's the first time i ever heard of it yeah and like it came from the fact that if you're not whispering a horse into submission then you're breaking a horse into submission yeah and the process of breaking a horse into spiritual medic is literally like beating it into slavery yeah it's not good happy happy horse better than sad horse because it like a a a a a horse that is

written is a horse that you've had to tame by effectively making it like subservient through beating and torture yeah like i think about elmo in the house elmo the cat he's stupid but elmo the cat thinks he is the alpha in the house and you can see this because he's always trying to stand on top of us no matter what he's doing his like arm has to be over your arm and while you're all like oh that's cute he's holding hands no he is asserting dominance now i'm not saying that it's not a cool job description to walk around telling people yeah they call me the horse breaker yeah that's a cool that's you put that over your name in an mmo however it's kind of fucked that it's like it's almost when you you think of like oh yeah well like like a dog will

just kind of automatically turn into a buddy yeah and it's like yeah that's not a horse no no a horse needs to be beaten into listening to you or you just talk to the horse a little bit turns out give it candy turns out yeah and the next thing you know but what about all this breakery well seems you've been perpetuating a horrible abuse that had legitimate options oops uh it's the only way to get your kids to listen to you is to punch them in the head that's weird my kids listen to me and i ever punched them in the head no you must be lying let's take some letters and get the fuck out of here hey let's get some letters it's email time hey emails it's a it's a form of letter castle super beast mail at gmail.com

oh by the way i completely forgot that observer the game with rucker how are in it it's all cyberpunk games great made by the layers of fear devs it's really fantastic i completely forgot that if you want to tune into death stranding uh Naruto shippuden ultimate ninja storm 3 full burst or indivisible you can check that out over on woolly versus that's a weird spread uh i will also be as i was advised uh heavily uh and it is true i was going to do killer instinct stream on thursday night uh but i was advised yeah you should do the game awards yeah so i'll be doing the game awards you should do the game awards and then every time after the game awards you get to cry looking at the numbers that are one one hundredth of whatever number you get during the

game awards yeah and it's like yeah really really folks want to watch the trailers and they want to see you rag on the on the result on the stuff it is what it is i want the chic hydro bot to be there this year there's a high percentage chance that a bunch of um studios that made games that i haven't played will result in me not having much to say about the said studios or their games but hey that's how it go and then we will uh uh uh uh so yeah i'll be doing that on thursday uh with midden reggie just play killer instinct on a little monitor and a little little window and then ki will be done uh at first possible opportunity uh following you know probably uh for next week and uh on the uh and then yeah we're gonna have the variety stream on saturday since i'm not out of town this time

around uh what does variety streaming mean exactly in this uh uh salt party just uh playing a bunch of bunch of games that we can uh bullshit bullshit around and basically so that's going down on woolly versus that's on twitch and on youtube um and i had other fun ideas that unfortunately uh i was unable to do due to uh busy schedules uh from other folks but uh stick around and uh yeah tomorrow and thursday sorry tomorrow and friday are gonna be uh big ass busy days because i was sick i was we were unable to do our normal recording stuff so tomorrow oh boy full ass day death stranding uh in the morning yeah definitely do that one first death stranding uh uh at one p.m eastern and then game awards at night uh friday morning uh indivisible followed by Naruto

friday night and then saturday night is going to be uh salt party so uh yeah lots popping off well it's like every time i hear somebody say something's indivisible i want to yell out you can't divide that i don't know why just pops in my head every time you can't yep so yeah uh quick looks one-offs fun things party games puzzle games puzzle boys things like that all of that can happen very uh handily on something like a saturday variety stream so i hope everybody enjoys those uh i guess i'm an asshole oh we got one coming in who's coming in commander d and commander d what up their stadia cast i was listening to last week's podcast when the discussion of half-life alex came up at vr in general an ideal vr full game uh it's true

it's still an abundance of super short vr experiences and i want to bring your attention to a game that's been almost totally unmentioned except for one time by jake kaufman elite dangerous the latest and the 35 year old spaceship simulating series it's now about five years old itself and has one of the best vr games available um in it you can sit your ass down on a spaceship or a space buggy and assuming the role is a freelance pilot you can fight trade or explore your way around a one-to-one simulation of the milky way that's it it's great there's no me gimmick gimmick version of elite available for vr play it's just a regular full game no different than what's available through a monitor with vr you can look around in your

ship seamlessly and there's no need to leave the comfort of your couch um that game has serious problems i don't mean to deflate this poor person's email but that that game it does have significant like uh systemic problems yep there's no end to it you simply immerse yourself in the mundane exciting opportunities of spacefaring at your own pace my deal of virtual reality experience uh is this what's yours it'll honestly be something like elite dangerous but better space exploration in a vr cockpit seems like the most obvious and natural fit um for me my ideal my ideal vr experience is any game that puts me in a cockpit it just seems so obvious right it's the best that's the that's the simulation i want like that's why i loved that x-wing demo

so much it's why i love uh the zone of the enders j-hu t bit there even though it got really unwieldy for a couple yeah uh it was it was still like i love the feeling of like you're being in that cockpit because that's one of those fantasy cool things you just want to hit the levers yeah you like i remember playing uh steel battalion the one time we played it i'm like this game sucks but this game's incredible right like the controller 100 made every part of that game i i'm always going on about how i love to see my characters in third person um i will absolutely forgo that for the ability to fully immerse with a cockpit yeah i don't get that feeling if it's just here's my hands floating in a gun yeah i'm not a big fan

of the hands i don't care about that i don't care about that but for a cockpit i'll do it yeah put me in a ship uh we got one coming in here for yomi from dalis says dear castle cowards i've been working on putting together a project about imposter syndrome because i feel it quite a bit and i want to know uh if it's a normal thing yep no matter how often someone praises me for something i did if i want to downplay it um to the point of just saying i'm terrible or mediocre at best so i want to ask if you guys have any moments where you feel like imposters humility is an incredibly important value that is often too often exacerbated to the point of self-deprecation that is harmful imposter syndrome is so fucking common in this business everybody get it like the

one that always gets me is i do like haha i did a stream aha and i see like fucking incredible painting of like me and page and the cat and in some amazing thing and i'm like that's a real talented person that's a real skill yeah i don't know a single uh facet of my life that i'm like putting time into where i don't feel imposter syndrome yeah the answer is 100 of the things i do it's it's uh i think social media did it it's it's well that that is it didn't used to be everything but then that that could become a part of it possibly uh i think like when you go into a something like fighting games for example you're like you're gonna get humble real quick on that you or you'll be miserable right um and then uh you know and any other thing that you give

your time into where you're like look how much further other people can be in this and like obviously comparison is the theft of joy we all know this but i've never heard that oh yeah oh live by that oh i like that live by that is that the companion piece to imitation is a serious form of flattery uh it might be but i i much prefer oh comparison is the theft of joy that's good i like that um and as someone who like this that what we do right and just being out there and being subjected to uh as much positive and negative feedback as you can handle on a given basis you are forced like i said i never i used to speak with more confidence in general right before now i speak with no confidence because i'm always questioning

how wrong i am about something i've had ready for the call out i have the complete reverse thing happening yeah i used to speak with no confidence and i think you even remember me being like that and now i have to speak with confidence because if i don't speak with confidence i won't speak at all yeah um and as someone who wants to generally try to not be wrong about things if i can avoid it by learning um the call out as i'm someone who like is constantly trying to think about how to fix the thing is going to be like oh fuck you're always wrong everything you've ever said is going to have someone say you're wrong about it right post post another screenshot of me holding the book right and then it took a actually it took and it took

a couple years before i think any of us realized that the person calling out authoritatively might also be wrong right wasn't aware of that weren't we weren't even streaming no no right we were just doing the help right and then like moments when a stream thing happens and someone throws it out there and then it gets like shown to be like no that was bad advice one guy one guy one guy one guy is so wrong one guy yeah but but so sure right so but there's but then there's but there's times when it's not that there's times when it's the many and uh even and in the times when it's the many and you're and you're like okay this is a problem with the way i'm approaching this um it's impossible to not feel imposter syndrome especially like oh in this business every there's always somebody

that's kind of like you but is way more successful than you are like right off the bat the number one there's a couple of the old version of things would be when it's the walk home after the first session of a new lp that feels good yeah and you're you're like that game was fun that was good had a good session nailed it a lot of fun crushing it can't wait oh part one goes up you'll and you're like shit and unfortunately the reverse does not happen when you go oh my god that session was terrible and it goes up and it's great you don't feel like oh wow and everything worked out great you go oh well that's lucky who yeah but when you when and when it just comes down to you're not learning the game as fast as i guess everyone else did or something else yeah maybe it's just

your first session was shorter than theirs was whatever the factors are that led you to not draw the same conclusions i i can think of a couple that i just like you just reminded me of and i went mmm it's still it makes you paranoid about everything and it makes you second guess stuff and it makes you super feel imposter syndrome um and i and i also feel it like not even when it comes to gameplay but in the context of like yo okay streaming the game awards right yeah like there's a bunch of triple a american companies that have i don't overlap interests with yeah so i have nothing to say just do it no no no just just just just shed all over them and it's be negative and and everybody likes it but no but but and it's also like different groups

of people show up for different purposes yeah um if you wanted me to talk about um um Bethesda i have nothing to say well i mean honestly at this point that exact emotion and statement that you just put out is a completely understandable and viable but that's just a company that's way over there that's but it's always been over there yeah it's not even the oh they used to be here and now it's over no that was never overlapping i have nothing to talk about with that right or um a bunch of like stuff that you go super hard into with companies that are like there's there's stuff that you you you you guys used to be able to talk about with certain like um god i'm trying to think of one like what's a big american triple a company that puts out a lot of shit that's very important

that i i've never even said their names casually once because i mean you said Bethesda that would probably be the number one that'd be the biggest i think the one in reverse was when i came into the podcast a couple years ago and was playing Witcher 3 and looked at a at a fucking row of blank faces as i was playing what was at the time the most popular game released the entire year sure and it's and that's the reverse of that is like but it's but it's and it's no but it's it's rock star i was about to say rock star i looked at my i'm playing red dead right now i looked at my shelf and i saw red dead and i was about to say rock star right like yeah perfect example i haven't touched any rock star things since the first gta 3 and then the first two or early gta games right

like the first two or you mean like san Andreas and vice no no no no grand theft auto like the top down shit yes skins are kind of bad yeah and then and then you know but then yeah and i played i played uh the first gta 3 yeah and then i didn't bother with this stuff after that right not naughty dog naughty dog is a bite right but i like last of us yeah but whatever you know so i'm just saying like like there's a part of this that like there's a part of this where the chat feels like there at the shelf because when you look over at the shelf you're actually looking at your camera as well oh well i don't know look into that now i'm looking that's look into them they are all but but but but um the the point though is kind of like that if i'm uh uh if that if people if there's a big

part of that that like everyone's familiar with because you guys talked about it for example and if anyone happens to be following along with stuff i'm going into but i don't have that yeah i have nothing to offer in this empty space to talk about a rock star announcement yeah because i have no fucking clue i do know what that feeling is like and that feeling is like when i'm watching the nintendo direct and the final thing that show up it's animal crossing and everybody get big mad oh you know oh i still don't get that shit yeah i just like it's like for better and for worse i have a fucking lane and and you have a lane you're gonna you'll play you go you'll fuck it oh jeez christ you're gonna do play on top you're getting fed you're getting big feed

so yeah that's it man i just feel out of my element so often in in especially something like the like the vg the vgas or like an e3 i don't think many people where someone walks out on the stage and talks for 20 minutes about like fucking dead by daylight that's a good game i know i hear it's good i don't care why don't you play a card game in the bottom right play teppin on the screen yeah but like you know what i mean that's it's just and it's like i'm i wish i had something to say here but i don't just do this meltdown shit right on let's do it yeah just do that i'm just me just start slapping your tummy and going i cannot be me yeah you can it's real easy you know so that's and that's it that's all and that's a whole lot of those and then and then here's

the one like random niche japanese dev walking up that i'm like oh it's that cool thing i got feelings and stuff and then a cane pushes him off the screen before he can talk you know are you all right well this question seems to put you on the verge of a fucking meltdown i'm really really full of imposter syndrome in every aspect of my life well okay including the biggest main one okay and it implies it applies on a day-to-day basis well i mean i've had my own struggles with this and my best advice to you would be both to you and to you writer at home what was yomi uh yomi writing in from chicago you said whatever uh and those of you in the chat uh the best thing that i could tell you is to just start lying yeah just lie to yourself yeah right that's what positive thinking

really is play other shit for once woolly i'm in the process of trying a fucking positive thinking super trying is just self-deceit and and and the the games that are here that are happening are like i mean for one like naruto's uh highly requested in lots of but like and is going through that that whole funny thing of before but like indivisible and death stranding are very highly anticipated games and i've definitely excited for to drop in their new and i'm like i definitely want to know what happens in these games relax you're arguing with the chat i know but i'm but i'm but i'm but i'm but i'm but i'm but i'm but i'm but i'm but i'm but i'm just saying that the slate of games to get to that is not based on like something that new that's about

to drop is filled with shit that's out of my wheelhouse yeah filled right if i wasn't in the middle of really long ongoing games right now that's training is long as if i wasn't in the middle of those games right now i'd be doing a ton of games that are way not what i'm used to because i'm super down to try new shit and explore and like the one of the one of the feedback complaints about like gonna be sticking to my niche yeah with terms of like getting feedback recently and stuff was like but i've been really trying to not do that like in some cases reaching out into games where i'm like i never would have taken a look at this otherwise you know you got a example that jumps out right now yeah like i want to cycle back i'll kill the fucking hype of it if it was

going to be but i 100 want to do as soon as like one of these is done i want to get it so that the channel is not in a no i meant thing that you had already done i did not mean to to blow open your any particular announcement oh because there's a bunch of non woolly games that i'm like yeah i'm totally down to jump into this i never would have otherwise but what sorry what did you mean i mean no because you said like a bunch of games i misunderstood what you said i thought you meant that there had been a bunch of games you had done recently that were out of your wheelhouse but you meant upcoming upcoming certainly stuff that stuff that i have done like when i when i picked up something that is like well he's announcing a dragon's dog my lp right now no

but that's like but the length of that was always certainly the part of the question but that's the kind of thing where i'm like yeah that's an unexpected bit and like who knows where that might go i definitely consider that but like yeah the wheelhouse thing is really actually like i i mean fucking re2 was was not something that would go on my on my list yeah that that game was comfortably looking at a planks tail looking at outer wilds looking at all that planks tail so good you know what i mean looking at a bunch of these things um is just not super on the thing and like there continues to be those choices but if there's something that comes along that like takes an obvious obvious precedence based on like what it is the history i have with it and

it's like priority impact like astral chain indivisible or death stranding you know what i mean like these are big games associated with the shit that i care about the most it's like those things are going to take these slots but um given the choice i would be trying to expand a bunch i guess um so yeah as soon as the chance the first opportunity allows me to i i definitely do want to like sort of all right do not play new shit woolly not kneecap you here buddy sorry the initial context of the thing do you guys ever get imposter syndrome is that normal all the time yeah totally all the time it's super normal particularly in lines of work that the average person still considers to be not real jobs and i'm gonna cycle that around to anyone

that's ever been touched on by the four exposure twitter account musicians artists this whatever this is right my dad worked in a factory and he fucking worked eight hours a day in a factory and he came home and he was tired and it was an incredibly clear identity as to he was a working man right me ah i'm sitting in front of a camera talking about video games do i even have a real job i don't know thanks for the question the hope of course in going into new things is that you're going to be able to care about them enough to be passionate about them yeah it's like creepy sex shit otherwise if you're not then it's just a waste of everyone it's like when you see the it's and it's you should try it's like when you see uh julia's disgusted face and you're like oh something

just blossomed in my heart yeah let's explore this yeah five years ago woolly said he wished uh just how castle super jake's bret says five years ago we wished you you were further along in the first person puzzle genre um what do you think about that now yeah we just saw super liminal and stanley parable and games like that came out and the witness it's a really cool fucking genre it's a cool genre that is apparently really hard to make because you have to you have to be really smart you know it's not first person but i feel like baba is you totally fits into that kind of wheelhouse because it breaks its rules all the time it's fucking gonzo did anyone ever tell you about like the second turn of baba is you no okay if you want i'll tell you about it afterwards

uh we'll save some more for later we've this has been going a long time it's getting long in the tooth uh not one bathroom break yeah we did it we did it we didn't poop ourselves or throw up it was good that the argument that we had in the early bit or discussion rather about the academic value of where to put your vomit did not need to come to a head and go into practice that's nice okay we gotta stop between the in the next 12 minutes or else they win or else they win oh hitting five yeah we're gonna hit five in 12 minutes yeah i know we've never hit five never and guess what

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