Castle Super Beast - CSB 070: That's Rough, Buddy

Episode Date: May 26, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:43 From November I've been waiting to say this And I can now say it I have finished watching Avatar the last airbender and it's fucking amazing You've been on that since November. I've been watching it with punch mom
Starting point is 00:01:07 for a couple months now and We've been watching it together. So, you know, it's not quite It's a little bit of a reduced pace, but nonetheless, we finally got there and I finally finished it Funny enough that it's back in the news because I guess it's on American Netflix or something. I'm not too sure what happened Yeah, basically it popped back up on Netflix and so people like whoa was this so that was weird already because I was concerned because back in Around New Year's there was an out an announcement saying it's gonna be leaving Canadian Netflix or something like that
Starting point is 00:01:47 And I'm not too sure what the deal was, but it didn't end up leaving so Either way, it was like, you know perfect for us and went through that shit fucking Incredible children's show Super well done. I thought you had already seen it Like ages ago We see the last airbender together. No, no, no
Starting point is 00:02:16 That was a fever dream I saw nothing of it. My only experience prior to this was I saw the first two episodes or so And I thought it was all right And then I just didn't finish it like years and years and years and years ago when it when you know when it was getting pushed It was the hotness when it was the hotness and then Yeah, basically for you know, the last X amount of years. It's been something that's been a recommend for a while and and
Starting point is 00:02:44 You know, I Yeah decided to You know pop the pop the lid on that a couple months ago and fucking Incredible super solid and one obviously now I get it but two This is gonna be another example another thing I Put up there where I say like hey man Beginning middle end nice tight story three seasons. They fucking did it. I had a really great. Yeah Especially that last season that third season
Starting point is 00:03:20 really really Steps up the quality of like writing and like the I guess the decision to kind of like play these characters a little bit more In depth is is incredibly noticeable in a reboot in a reboot like way, you know, it's it's fantastic I don't think There's a single series I could think of In which you tell people there's no time skip and then you show them like a Photo of what the characters look like in your third series
Starting point is 00:03:53 They go bullshit. There's no time skip. Yeah. Oh, yeah, like the the the promo art for season three Has them in like the Fire Nation gear and Katara's hair is different and Sokka's got like a bunch of gear I got the wolf helmet on Yeah, I mean to be honest like all of that is like Obviously, you know main character plus time is like I've talked about that as like a thing I really like so seeing Ang running around with hair and all that shit is a really interesting
Starting point is 00:04:27 but fuck all that noise and Hey late to the party. I know so by all means You know Let me let me enjoy as I talk about The best character to me being or the best relationship I'm a fuck the characters because you can get into that that that's petty. That's not that's nonsense the best relationship in this show being between fucking Eero and
Starting point is 00:04:59 Zuko and like that That entire dynamic being the most interesting thing to follow Across the entire story and like his hair Represents like his mentality almost as you fucking go through it. I row. Is it I row? It's higher hair is a form of literal personal growth So I row and Zuko throughout this whole thing are like every time the camera cuts back to the main kids You're like, that's cool. But what the fuck are the others up to please? I want to go back to that tea shop I want to go hang out that they blow a whole season almost like
Starting point is 00:05:35 1213 episodes on your main antagonist quit and he's just running a store. It's so solid man and You know and you want to just go through every Every like conversation that we have about like, you know every not every nauseating time that someone is like all these Fucking conversations about redemption and the idea of just being you know Like no no one can ever be forgiven for their transgressions and all that shit. And you know, that's how you do it Here's a fantastic like showing of like do it real slow real slow real Painful crawl, you know, you have mistakes get made in that redemptive process. Oh, yeah
Starting point is 00:06:22 Oh, yeah Like that's the thing so obviously just as I as I'm coming out hot out of the gates I'm gonna, you know be spoiling anything you just in case anybody has Been like me and has not watched it and is through this conversation perhaps deciding to I'm gonna start spoiling things to talk about it So just putting that out there. You know, so it's important for your redemptive character There's not a single moment that Zuko holds up a flamethrower to a child You know, there's no like I'll kill your babies. I'll kill your babies, manato
Starting point is 00:07:04 Uh, rain is up in the In the the the in-between have in place just like oh fucking christ what i'm i'm waiting for this idiot um Yeah No, like I really like there's a lot of fun things to say, you know, obviously there's just like You know, it's a fun kids show. It's very bright. It's very colorful and it's very hokey um It turns to the kids show into a teen show. Yes
Starting point is 00:07:31 Exactly and it and it and it it Ages up as like I guess the audience ages up in a way and by the time you get to the third season They're really like again. They're spending their time doing things that are um A little more subtle than like the outright Cut and dry moments of the early seasons, you know, but there's and there's obviously lots of fun anime references in there like um What what the what the fuck is uh
Starting point is 00:08:01 that kid's name, um Rocky I think it is like the with the with the samurai strand in his mouth and um, you mean jet jet, excuse me jet jet and jet in the crew jet In the crew great are a fantastic like, you know, uh Send up in a lot of ways and there's some really just great moments where uh, in particular in particular like, um But even before the third season When you go to when you fall when they when they get to bossing say, uh I
Starting point is 00:08:34 Had like there's there's like three really awesome things that I mean one um when When you just you get to follow Zuko on a date trying to be normal And you're like why why would he be capable of nor being normal? He is like fucked up child That episode is so perfect because it it it is plot insensitive. It doesn't matter But it's not character insensitive and you get to see particularly
Starting point is 00:09:06 Your redemptive character and your actual villain And like, okay, let's assume There's no war. There's no avatar. There's no problem Would these people be able to function? No Hell no. Oh my god. It's super super dysfunctional kid. Um and Then you get your uh after that you get the the
Starting point is 00:09:33 um, I think it's called uh The just tales of bossing say or something like that um Yeah, tales of bossing say where they where they just follow each short story Of for the different characters of what they're up to and you're like, oh, this is a fantastic little thing where you're like Hey, what are they up to in This month or whatever that we've got to fucking kill And then you just follow iroh around and you're like, oh my god, this dude rules
Starting point is 00:10:01 This is a fucking amazing character. What a good episode, you know And then you you you come you get out of that and you're like this is This is this show is something. There's something incredible going on here, right? And it does the thing that I it does a thing that i'm a huge fan of and i've talked about it where like You allow someone who is going through that dysfunction we just referred to And you let it carry out So they go underground the heroes are are trying to Find oppa and they're on the way they find out about the the secret
Starting point is 00:10:37 Underwater base, you know all sorts of shit all sorts of shit But then zuko is like ghosts but pretty close Yeah, and then zuko is like i'm turning down this normal life this peaceful existence to go Fucking follow my demons, right? And he does And then like as he gets to the end goal the end point Uncle's like, okay, dude, so you're here now Now what?
Starting point is 00:11:05 What the fuck you gonna do? What the fuck are you gonna do now? And it's a such a solid like You're gonna steal this buffalo Why it's so fucking great. Where are you gonna put it? What is your plan? What is your plan? It's such a great like but i have to follow through on your on your what you know I fucking love those moments because it's just Like reality fucking Cold bucket over the head of like what now idiot what now think it through and it's and it's it's something that like You kind of go. Oh fuck. Okay
Starting point is 00:11:41 Like yeah, this dude has to face reality and he does And he does and then you're like, okay, we're going somewhere, right? And he kind of becomes this weird version of himself that is like i'm so happy to be working in this tea house and i'm really happy to Be living with you uncle and you know like yeah, we're gonna do it, you know And he's he's being super weird for like a couple of episodes literally smiles for like a smile Yeah, and you're like this is uncomfortable. This is not normal. This is fucking weird, right? And i'm like, okay, but i'm like, maybe they're just doing this but like, you know, they don't know what to
Starting point is 00:12:19 Do but i'm like, no, no, they know that you don't you know, whatever they know what they're doing here And then you get to the fucking finale of it where you know Him and katara have a moment inside the fucking uh crystal cave and She actually is sympathetic to him and you're like, okay, this is how we set up the fire teacher. All right And then again gets offered the ability to like reclaim that nothing That is his honor and whatnot and then chokes and trips again After going through the what what you thought was the the arc
Starting point is 00:12:55 That was like this show is fucking incredible. The fact that he fucked up. They're really good So one of one of the more infuriating things is that you get to this part in a lot of the shows lost stories where The villain wants to turn over new leaf. Yeah, former villain wants to turn over new leaf. Yeah, and the The hero team goes dude. Go fuck yourself. We don't trust you right and That always falls flat if talking about the first time the villain has not done something like horrible Right and evil So that's a problem here. So what they do
Starting point is 00:13:34 Is they have that go through and fail once already So yeah, fuck you. No one. No one has a reason to listen to hi. I'm zuko. You're right. So so so That failure dude, it's so fucking great too because like Again, you're talking about the crawl back to to redemption, you know And you were already like you're rooting for this kid You're trying to see him, you know get what he can to fucking help his damaged life and and then it fails and then you kind of go into like
Starting point is 00:14:08 Well, shit, dude, that's disappointing, right? But like where do you go from here? And then you start that third season where they start paying that extra attention to detail And you're like, why did this fail? And like the reason why it failed is because the idealized situation that ideal dream he was chasing You can't just talk someone out of that I mean you can but they're never really going to stop thinking about it, right? You have to sit there At the fucking like at the the the side of the emperor at the fire lords You have to go through the hollowness of winning what you wanted
Starting point is 00:14:45 And feeling it be nothing to then go. Oh, this oh this actually sucks Right, so so like scar didn't heal. Yeah No, the hollow the hollow dream being like accomplished Is really was what it's going to sink in, you know and like during that entire time The the fucking smug aura of I told you so coming from the prison Where uh iroh's just locked up Just sitting there like I got nothing to say to you. I got nothing to say to you. I got nothing You know already. I've taught you everything. We've been through this. You know exactly what I would say the lessons have been learned
Starting point is 00:15:25 We did we did this last season. I have nothing to say to you and I'm like Ah, it's so solid and in the meantime, I'm a buff up and I'm gonna break the fuck out of here when the time comes But so be it, you know, um What a fucking arc You know so that it was it finally comes back around and like you said like there is no reason to give someone that the time of day and Especially when other people are started on the crew are start going like okay Well, maybe you're all right But obviously katara is not because she was the one that fell for it the first time, right?
Starting point is 00:15:58 She saw it firsthand and she was convinced by it and it's a really interesting thing where um There are people who you cannot trust because I am evil moa ha ha and i'm going to pretend to be good to manipulate the situation Right, we literally have that character one one frame over from zuko. Yes Raw evil. Yes um And but then right what you have is not just I can't trust you because you're on the bad guys and you're bad
Starting point is 00:16:32 but I can't trust you because you can't trust yourself Like yeah, you're flip-flopper when you say hey, I've learned from my my ways and I've I want to do the right thing now I believe you that you believe yourself But you don't know how you might react in the moment when suddenly your impulses are presented with something new You know you'll fuck up So it is a really interesting thing. I'm like you don't see that too often You don't too often see the kind of person where it's like, you know, you genuinely
Starting point is 00:17:05 Uh are full of conviction for this moment But you will genuinely lose that conviction when you flip-flop over the other way. So Yeah, like that is a hard-earned but very very thorough depiction of a character redeeming themselves and if it is The most anti sasuke bullshit. I have ever seen and holy The timing on this is pretty ideal It I was I was watching both of these actually sasuke
Starting point is 00:17:40 Done well, I was watching his story at the same time that I was going through Um the end of neruto like that's the thing I I was following along that final arc of Naruto, but I wasn't and I didn't want to talk about avatar until I was done You know because I know everyone understands you guys you can't control yourself. So didn't want to hit anything I didn't want to hit But now that I'm done I can say I was watching both of these at the exact same time, dude And it's so incredible how much like one dumps all over the other
Starting point is 00:18:15 for um ostensibly what is like not even a farther distance For sasuke because sasuke starts as a good guy Then goes bad and then has to been that has to be um prodigal sund Back to the the flock whereas Zuko Uh is evil from the jump You know
Starting point is 00:18:36 So so I just took a look. Yeah, and uh sure enough uh last airbender Was smack dab in the middle the early middle even of uh Naruto's run so like sasuke and uh And Zuko's arcs are concurrent For for american broadcast they didn't even have to learn from sasuke's mistakes
Starting point is 00:19:03 They just like knew right away like oh, don't don't do that. You mean for american broadcast No, I'm looking at the manga run of uh of naruto 1999 to 2014 And uh avatar came out in 2005. Okay So there was there was uh, yeah, yeah, absolutely concurrent. It's the fucking real right around the time The itachi was holding sasuke up by his neck Zuko was being done with his arc Um, you know so so you got that right you have Of course It's not just that but it's also we also have to attribute some of the
Starting point is 00:19:42 quality here to brevity Right some of the quality here to the fact that this is three seasons of 20 to 21 episodes and like That is the story You know the first one the first season sets it up
Starting point is 00:19:59 You've got the kids and you've got Zuko and and iroh chasing them Then zula comes in with the sis with the girls and then the world gets expanded and we see about we learn about the earth kingdom And then and toff shows up obviously And then you get the fucking fire nation for the last chapter and you're like, okay. Yeah, that's your story, you know It doesn't have to have these like Uh false moments or like there's a fucking google results showing you that like naruto is like a 41 filler, you know Um So so you you don't have to have these moments of like
Starting point is 00:20:35 extension into Nothing right and when whenever when you follow a Zuko scene It's probably because it needs to be there. There's something to gain from this, you know, absolutely So, uh, yeah, and then you know and and that's and that's all this is just that's just you know him and then and then how fucking solid That is as a character Obviously toff is fucking badass. Obviously. There's like hold on before before I go before we move off the Zuko I just want to say one thing that the easiest way to sum that up is that it is a long Long way and it is a hard fought narrative battle
Starting point is 00:21:11 from I'ma get the avatar Fuck you. I'll kill you to That's rough, buddy Yeah, when he's when he's talking to soca Hey, bro, bro. Sorry your girlfriend turned into a moon, bro. Oh, that's rough, bro. Oh, jeez Oh, oh, yeah, that's what happened
Starting point is 00:21:35 Sorry your girl ditched you to become a celestial body Oh That's goofy. She ran away to the fucking milky way, bro But off the top Her first appearance is beating up dwayne johnson And then um You're like, okay, so what's what's your deal? And it's like, oh like you're the personality that was missing from the group here
Starting point is 00:22:02 And the piece of shit The selfish one You know who's self The selfish one but is is obviously like, you know like self supported And they within like two episodes of her joining the group are so it's like almost super quickly They have the whole like, hey, can't you help us bundle like some firewood? Can't you help us do some shit? And she's like, no, I won't I won't take your stuff I won't get in the way. I'll do my own thing and I'll be fine. You do your thing and you'll be fine
Starting point is 00:22:33 You know, um And it's off is my favorite example of Something that I feel like you rarely see which is You put a handicap character in your show, right? now The show is not only like
Starting point is 00:22:54 Laughably unafraid to point out that the character is handicapped But you have that person Be like a constant asshole about it To other people. Yeah, and people will get so pissed off That they'll fire back with shit Making fun of the fact that the bitch is one. Yeah. Yeah, like everyone I think everyone like the show will have those these like land before time moments of wow Look at that and she'll just look at them and be like, come on
Starting point is 00:23:29 But you know the ultimate the ultimate is they're flying through the desert Looking for some bullshit. Yeah And she'll yell out. Hey, look I could it's over there And they'll go really and she'll like turn and have the biggest grin and just wave her hand in front of her fucking eyes Like no dumb shit. Yeah, I'm blind idiots. Exactly. Exactly. Are you stupid? Yeah, it's it's fine. It's fine. It's great It's great. She's played she's played wonderfully Um, and then you know and then all you got to do there is go like, oh, she's a badass. How badass is she? Well, she invented metal bending. Okay. She's the greatest there ever was. She's the fucking best
Starting point is 00:24:06 Oh, okay, cool in many in many ways way way more impressive than your main character. Yeah, she's coating herself in metal armor She's rolling into walls and and peeling it off to create armor. Cool. Got it understood um So, yeah, that that that goes without saying, you know, and then um, there's definitely like there's that years There's a definitely a couple moments of like, well I'm sure I'm sure Uh, uh We could have taken a little bit more time to show sacca becoming
Starting point is 00:24:41 Uh, a sword master instead of over the course of one episode one week You know, like it's what happens when your comic relief character gets to the third season and somebody goes. Oh Jesus He's got to be able to actually do something he becomes a master swordsman in one hangout with a cool, dude You know, but uh and an amazing sword is given to him but All things go all things considered. Um Ang is you know, you're watching him follow through as well And and go through the the the journey and he gets his oh, he's gonna master the avatar state. Nah, you fucked up kid
Starting point is 00:25:19 I'm like, oh shit. Okay. Cool. Cool. That's cool. You know, they never stopped being like fucking kids um and The stakes obviously get higher and then you get you get these little moments of uh You know, like who is this? Combustion man that shows up and why is he like A villain from a different show Like why are you like like uh, why is why is a teen titans villain fighting the gang or like a gung-ho gun?
Starting point is 00:25:48 You know, like yeah, you look like someone that should get murdered in ninja scroll You why are you why are you here? Blowing these children up He's even got like a different style of shading on his like muscles and his neck, you know and and uh, yeah It's like well fuck. That's the stakes. That's the stakes. We're at now. You know, so um fucking fantastic, man fucking great um Really really, you know, like I said, I I can't say enough good things about like just the
Starting point is 00:26:18 the way that third season Uh depicts the characters and and what it shows you about their personalities and you know helps helps the whole thing kind of come together um as zula As well as just like, you know shitty evil villainous. She's doing the shitty evil thing And you're kind of at at some point you're kind of like why are you so and you're just like well Some kids are just fucked man You know some kids are just some kids are just fucked and like even the crew that's rolling with her It's like you kind of for a second. They're like, oh, yeah, they're the rolling evil. They're the anti hero group doing their own thing
Starting point is 00:26:56 It's like no, they're not They're childhood friends with the one that's just fucked and she's forcing them To do all this bullshit from day one and they never they didn't hide that from you They came along out of being forced to come along So then they're like, yeah, so when it eventually goes sour, it's like, of course. It went sour Duh I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did the person who goes who was fucked become really really fucked. Yes um
Starting point is 00:27:24 So that was interesting too. I was wondering I was like, how are you going to show Like in the same in the same place where you can show that somebody who goes through their flaws and is forced to confront all of this um It's interesting to go like how do you represent the other side of things where you have like a character like azula who's just like I don't give a fuck Right, and it's like no she does give a fuck, but she has no um Foundation like iro to like ground her so when she gets beaten
Starting point is 00:27:56 She's just flailing and and Breaking apart and you're like breathing fire and you're like yep. That's that's pretty much how that goes down, right? um You know and obviously you get your like your your uh What's your mccall you get your your zuko like he's like man How am I even going to face the uncle moment in the the big old cry hug?
Starting point is 00:28:22 You know and all that that's like super well deserved um and What was what I thought was pretty interesting too was like the fire lord represents almost like a he's also a cartoonish Non-villain villain like a cartoonist entity. I should say where it's like you just sit there and be evil um, but like You know they go into enough backstory about like the relationship between
Starting point is 00:28:45 um The the previous fire lord and the previous avatar and all that stuff that you can kind of see how the gears for world conquering came into play and uh by the time he gets all powered up and just becomes a Like scorcher of nature and it seems it seems he comes a cannon It seems like my goal is to burn the deer and chipmunks You know as the as the zeppelins fucking skate over ground and uh, you get that last fight It was I thought it was pretty smart that they um, they intercut
Starting point is 00:29:18 uh avatar versus him with this the loud explosive like Uh, uh rock battle in in the dragon ball canyon That they that they're fighting in and then when you cut over to the the agni kai that like zuko and azula are having You it's also a big fiery battle, but to distinguish. It's also very pretty and coordinated. It's very pretty and coordinated It's not as explosive and the music takes over and the sound effects drop out So they're you're cutting between two similar two fights that would be similar
Starting point is 00:29:52 But they're playing them as visually different as they can and also bringing in the blue fire and all that stuff happens You know, uh, you get those things like the lightning and all these little bits and pieces that come back and it's like damn Okay, this is pretty good um, not gonna lie the Lion turtle came the fuck out of nowhere But it is in flavoring with some of the like You know mysticism of the show in the form of we sure is the dragons and the um The face seals the face stealer and all that other shit
Starting point is 00:30:24 But boy did it just shows up and is like hey, man Hey, man, you want to solve this problem? My gosh maguff maguff You know like level three maguffin pokemon shows up and just uh Touches you and now you got it now. You got the thing You did it Last ever airbender did something for me that kind of ruined many many many other shows I hate clip shows. Mm-hmm I hate the clip episodes. They're always terrible
Starting point is 00:30:59 and up until avatar the last airbender I had called clip and recap episodes the same thing Because they are Except for this one I always remember the name of the episode. It's called ember island prayers. Mm-hmm And it's where the writers decide to catch you up
Starting point is 00:31:25 And like poke fun at their own bullshit for a little while By putting on the shittiest play of the three seasons ever. Yes I got huge. Oh, it's players. Oh, wow. I have a great memory. Wow. Yes. I got Yeah, so that was funny because it becomes very clear like About a minute into that play that you're like This play has details that nobody could possibly have. This is for the viewer. This is not for the characters. Yeah so It really brings it up hard when you get to a point where
Starting point is 00:31:59 Characters are looking at each other that were involved in the real situation. Yeah talking about the play going Did they die? What it was very unclear And you're like, oh the the the writers realized that No one can tell if that character died and they just left it alone. Yeah Uh, it also had big vibes of and everything was alpha numeric Oh, absolutely. Ta-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, you know, like the straight-up reboot musical we got Uh at the end of uh
Starting point is 00:32:35 That season was like I'm like, oh man. I'm getting I'm getting a flashback here. You know, um Yeah, no, that that that was really fun Uh two I appreciated that when You know, it came down to it like the kind of like the final conflict that like ang is going through Is one that's very On point because it's like you were raised as a monk. So you got to do what monks do But and then everybody else on the play
Starting point is 00:33:05 Quit being a pussy Out of the villain, please save the lives Of everybody and murder this fool Without hesitation like everyone the whole like the party the whole party's like, bro You got I understand you got to do you but please kill this man And then he's like, I don't want to right because they're not wrong He they're not wrong at all. They're not wrong at all
Starting point is 00:33:32 He's always going to be a problem. You you just have to you have to cut him and then he's like You know and he sweats it and then he goes and he winds up on fucking turtle island And on and like in there. He's like, okay. No wait. Hold on. There's got to be another way And you turn back to all the previous avatars who are like Bro, you got to kill him You got to you got to fucking do a rough wisdom of the infinite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Including the direct predecessor is a guy who knew him as a kid um
Starting point is 00:34:05 Huge like also I I like that's not right. I know no, but I like the fact I like the fact that um Uh, I like the fact that they like hey, we got Jen Hale back for one episode because she's got to give ang some advice Uh, what else can we do with that? Oh remember that girl that rides the mole? Yeah, okay now you get to be both characters So she plays two characters in the show and they just go like well fuck we got Jen Hale We're not gonna not use Jen Hale's characters and they use them both um But yeah, they both come out, you know Rather like all the fucking previous masters come out and then they're like by the way
Starting point is 00:34:44 We didn't show you before but let's show you what the rest of the cycle looked like so it's like oh Here's the previous uh waterbender, you know from the water tribe and here that was the avatar And here's the and then you and you're like oh, okay. Here's the full cycle of avatars What do you guys got to say kill this motherfucker? Shoot him dead you get like I think if the water guy is like surfing. Yeah, super chill. Yeah And he's like kill It's like hey, man, you got to do what you got to do You know literally literally the uh the earth one is like, um
Starting point is 00:35:21 He's like wait, but hold on but the guy that was the leader of the evil Forces that were fighting you fell off the cliff right like Um, you didn't kill him. He did refuse to move out of the way and just like yeah same thing Right whether or not I killed him or whether or not his stubbornness Let to his demise when he stupidly stood on that cliff side doesn't change the fact that he went I did it. It was my thing the other the people are pointing out that like you have ang's direct predecessor being an air avatar Brought up under the same no kill philosophy fire going sometimes you got to break the rules sometimes
Starting point is 00:36:00 Sometimes you got to kill guys. Um fire, you know, it's uh, uh unfortunate reality of the world No, um, um, it was really like Straight up just like they this is the infinite wisdom right now and you know to and at the same time It's like that's the same infinite wisdom that you know was hanging out with the um uh in In the space abyss of like the giant floating avatar ang that's hanging out there and it looks like sinister as fuck And it's like you that's that's the power you're gonna need to fucking kill this guy You're gonna need that. So, you know, it's right there. You're one step away
Starting point is 00:36:36 but Yeah, and it's and it's it's it's funny too because like in the same way that like saca learns Um, fucking sword mastery in like one episode Uh ang sits and goes through all the chakras in one episode and i'm like boy This would have been all of them, huh? Yeah. I'm like, listen I don't want this to be milked into a filler season. That's stupid, but One episode Not even a two-parter
Starting point is 00:37:05 And then he and then and it's kind of almost like face your fears face what you hate confront the emotions You know, and it's like deal with it. Move on. Yeah, and you know what? I mean, if you want to believe if you want to like right if you want to find reasons to to believe it Then you can say that like, you know as a monk. He was pretty well trained to confront the spiritual realm um, just not the You know the actual interpersonal conflicts that he has with his his friendships, you know, hey, man I'm gonna tell you right now The reason why ang or ang whichever i've always fucking fucking up
Starting point is 00:37:40 Is able to deal with that stuff so quickly in the course of one episode Instead of learning all the bendings taking three seasons Is because he was brought up to know about the spiritual and interpersonal realm That is dead on that's what I said Yeah, that is a hundred percent. Yeah, and that becomes very confirmed. Yeah If you if you decide to move onwards exactly So the reason why I bring this up is because I was met with the contrast because I started kora You started kora who is the complete opposite character? Yes, I had I so I needed to at least start kora
Starting point is 00:38:19 So that I could touch base even though I play I played, you know, I was there for the lp way back when Oh, yeah, but that's like I had nothing to connect. I had nothing to connect it to you, right? So I started kora so that I could connect the pieces So that I connect the pieces of like where the future goes And like what comes up from the future timeline because I'm like Being lost in like a void of like and then there's a future, but I don't know any part of it is like I'm like, let me let me at least get into that Let me start it out so that I can go. All right
Starting point is 00:38:55 This event this place exists these people exist and this is the premise, you know Um, yeah where it goes is on has a kid who turns into jk simmons and that's fucking awesome Um, yeah So also, um, I was told about there's a comic that apparently connects the two There's a there's a there's a bridge that that can be read. So that sounds interesting Okay, so um, so here's the part where Um, yeah fucking avatars incredible loved it loved it loved it great Um, gonna be like I said in the same way that I talk about the brevity of and the sweetness of gravity falls
Starting point is 00:39:31 And like picking your ending, you know, I'm gonna talk about this too. So Now, um started Cora. I'm about four episodes in exactly. Uh and This is one of those ones where I'm like, okay, I I almost want I was wondering if I should wait till I was done with that too And I kind of was like, ah, it's been so long. I've waited so many months to even talk about this Let me just bring it up now and Cora's popping up now because people it's coming back. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. The time is hot I know exactly it is hot and so I brought this up at a specific time, you know
Starting point is 00:40:11 And I kind of I'm not sure maybe it would have been better to wait until I was done with both so that I could Uh, just introduce it clean unaffected, you know, in any way, but the level of Negativity everyone is displaying over that show right now. You don't even have to even talk about how you're watching it You're getting it. I'm getting it anyway. Right people are And I'm like, I'm not there yet so far
Starting point is 00:40:41 I'm really interested in how they've set up this world I like the fact that they've aged it up again In a way, it feels as if they continued the trend of like watching them back watching the final episode and then like an hour later Cora back to back is such an interesting thing because Um It's especially fun because I showed punch mom the trailer because she didn't know Cora existed So I played it and she's like, wait, is this some weird show that ripped off avatar And then she's like, huh, wait. No, did avatar rip this show off?
Starting point is 00:41:12 What are we looking at and then at the end it says Cora and you see the statue and it's like, oh fuck Okay, that's super cool. So it was really nice to have that exist that that that that that was a fun like jump in reveal it You know because she didn't even know it existed. So um, but jumping into it now, um Yeah, like I don't know. I'm I'm nowhere near. I'm not at the point where everyone is at to see What all this negativity is and I'm you know, and I wish I could just Cut it all out and just watch it and make my own opinions But based on the first four episodes, they're doing a fucking great job of like setting up the um The future of this world a nice timeline
Starting point is 00:41:50 Skip later where it's not just like these kids are adults. It's that they're actually like fucking old people now And they've aged out Right and yeah, you have a couple returning characters And and well one returning and some almost returning and they're like ancient and and you don't have you can't have like a big old bitter Ang adult so you got to have his kid who's a fucking joy kill um And you're getting it's the best. Yeah, it's the fucking best And so you're getting this really you're getting this really interesting like thing where like again like it's paying attention to the subtlety of
Starting point is 00:42:28 I guess I have what I feel like is Came came in in season three um The the characters are clearly later teenagers. They're not fucking You know 11 12 and 13 um And you know it's taking place in a city
Starting point is 00:42:45 So like literally the colors are a bit darker things are things are aged up Things are the conflict is aged up the complexities of what what they're going through is aged up. So um Yeah, I mean if this is the Boruto of the of the of the avatar world like you know, uh, I remember when it was going on and I remember uh, uh Catching words and hearing and hearing things about it, but so far. I think it's fucking cool, man So far I'm really also impressed by how much the animation quality has jumped up Like it's super fun to watch that same intro take place with a much higher budget uh, uh, uh, you know
Starting point is 00:43:25 series of katas taking place And I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go through it So I would like to talk about it to you a little bit in non specific terms uh To possibly explain some because there is a wash of negativity. It is it is and and I and You know, what a what like I just I what am I glad I can't say anything, you know Yeah, so flat out just just eat no matter how much you like Korra or whatever
Starting point is 00:43:56 It's just not as good as airbender Depending on your personal distaste with the issues that it does have and I mean airbender is not perfect either but It's it's either Just quite not as good or terrible. Mm-hmm, right depending on how much certain things bother you um avatar the last airbender was
Starting point is 00:44:22 Like always on the verge of being canceled and then they finished on season three And then there was supposed to be a last airbender two And then there was supposed to be like a movie and those didn't happen, but that's okay interesting Because they finished it interesting. I didn't know that Korra Had an issue in which They were told by their studio or sorry by their publisher by the tv network You're gonna get one season
Starting point is 00:44:52 To do it in one So they did it in one and then it was popular So They went okay, you can have another But you're definitely not gonna have a third one We're super canceling this after the second one And then they're like, okay fine. You can get a third. Okay. Yeah, okay, and then they did the same thing with the third one And so every season
Starting point is 00:45:23 Has to build itself up like it is the last season Okay, and Plots can't last. Yeah, okay, okay They look so you have problems where characters start up plots And then they finish And then the next season exists And that character has to have something to do. Okay So that plot will either start back up
Starting point is 00:45:50 And with a little bit of growth or whatever or they'll be given a b-plot. Okay to Hold them. Yeah. I I the characters get Benched. Yeah Like they actually get literally actually benched And then they're like fuck. We have another season and we benched them last season Fuck um Uh Okay, now they're important again, but you're like weren't they a dumb ass last season? Yes
Starting point is 00:46:23 And the there's no consistent through line. There is a lot of really Great stuff in Korra that is very very Very obviously held back by the studio and the the final season the fourth season probably has the most problems in which There is one big plot line that the the execs are like you're not allowed to do that You can't do it you fuck you
Starting point is 00:46:55 And then they they're like you can you can allude to it in the final episode and leave it vague Okay, then I know what you're talking about because it's the biggest exploding new story out of the show wouldn't and yeah, and then the final season they're like, okay You can only okay. You know how we told you you're gonna do like 14 episodes And you wrote 14 episodes. You can only get like 12 now And we're only giving you the money for 11. Okay, so what you're saying is that it's it ends up being marred by production issues constant
Starting point is 00:47:33 It's very clear. Okay Okay, and the original Uh, did not have these but it was on the verge of being canceled and then managed to come back each time So the the problem the biggest problem they have is like, hey avatar the last airbender You were we were just talking about how great zuko was Zuko is the primary villain for like 80 of that show And then you get the the fire lord as the the bigger version in azula, right? I'd give him less than 80 percent because really azula comes in in season two and ends up being a persistent. Um
Starting point is 00:48:06 All right, let's say zuko's redemption starts pretty early on All things considered the fire gang. Yeah, right or are your problem Because they thought every season was going to be the last season They every see every season has a new villain cycle. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. And the first one is The best one. Okay by far. Okay. I don't I don't you You keep going like why didn't you just have that go forward? Okay? I don't want to get too much of a breakdown of structure here. Just okay, but you understand. I I get it. I get it. Yeah
Starting point is 00:48:44 um I also like You know, I I I I brought I brought it up at this point in time as opposed to at the end of that Specifically knowing that like, you know, this was gonna sort of be a part of it. So um, all I will say is like, you know Uh, I mean, it's gonna go through it. Let me get through it. I like Obviously the best way I the I experienced avatar the best way I could have which is
Starting point is 00:49:16 With everyone fucking gone Enjoying it on my own, you know With punch mom and just no no opinions whatsoever and uh In this case, I would I would like that to be the same. So, you know, um I'm probably not going to talk at all about Korra until I'm finished it Um, you don't need to check in and see where I'm at You don't need to like just I'm gonna get there and when I'm there, I'll talk about it
Starting point is 00:49:45 But I like doing it on my own pace in a vacuum and and not having to you know, because already like You know, it's like I it basically you trying to not flavor yourself too much by by anything And I like judging things on on on my own. Um So like this is one of those bits where like in my head right now The first four episodes were fucking fantastic and all and all I'm hearing is about what to expect with this So I'm lower. Uh, you can't help but lower expectations in a way. You know, um, but like So far like what they've Set up with this new world is like all the fun things about a time skip are here. You know and um
Starting point is 00:50:27 Uh There are there's a lot of fun little time skip stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I enjoy that I really enjoy that and you know what everyone enjoys that I ended up your your four episodes in so you would have seen that like oh, yeah metal bending is now Yes, the police are now using 3d maneuver gear to Uh, fucking spider-man spider-man around the city and deal with criminals a hundred percent, you know Um, that's great. That's cool. I've established some fucking crazy ass awesome fucking thing She'd let that people can do now cool ass statue of of ang and um and and you know, uh
Starting point is 00:51:02 and like yeah the establishment of like hey And this I this I remember a little bit from the game But like all that all that fucking fist of the north star pressure point shit that the um the circus girl was doing Yeah, we all could yeah, we learned that We learned how to do that That's really important in a world where people some people got it and some people don't it's really important to learn how to Okay, put that shit away now It also takes place in a in a period of an industrial resolution in which a gun exists
Starting point is 00:51:32 The industrial revolution is very clearly in play the first cars are starting to exist You know, uh, they're doing an old-timey flashback an old-timey recap at the beginning of every episode You know and you're getting right into like an aged-up thing where you're like, okay. Yeah, um where we went from You know ancient world ancient civilizations kind of setting into this more modern one so and it's and it and it makes sense because you're like The time frame is like again, it's not that it's the kids Then they grow old and then another generation gold
Starting point is 00:52:07 Gold grows old and then we're here, you know, and if you really think about it It's like yeah, like think about where we were at two three people ago We were pre-industrial revolution, you know, so I I I like that decision to to yeah, I mean you're dealing with super time skip The the kids that are twinkles in their parents eyes because their parents are teenagers in the original are now in their 60s And are fully boomered out Yeah, I remember having a moment of like, I wonder if the air tribe is like, oh wait, no, there's like how would they There's fine. Give it give it a minute. They gotta they gotta figure that out, you know, uh, yeah, so Um, and then, you know, you get a little other fun things like the concept of pro bending is fun
Starting point is 00:52:55 You know, it's like you got yourself a little sport there and I remember playing that in the game too um Yeah, all in all all in all like so I had a big uh discussion about like story telling and like writing and and how these things uh Work in different shows after we finished and we ended up talking about how I'll probably go into this in in super depth at some point but like Something that happens in stories, uh is
Starting point is 00:53:21 you stay That you stay interested in This is like i'm just I'm pulling these terms out of my ass by the way, but it's like I call them like yes. Yes good You when you get introduced to a story you're um What the what happens with to the main characters in the present as as time moves forward is often Fun and that's the adventure, but it's not as interesting as um
Starting point is 00:53:48 The hooks that are the past That they bring into the into the story with them So of course we want to know about how harry's going to fight and defeat voldemort But more importantly who the fuck are his parents and what was that about what happened to them? That's an early hook. Nothing. They were just losers. Well, whatever. That's an early hook, right? Snape really wanted to bang his mom. Um And like really bad, you know, and when your show ends up running out of these things You often have less points of interest that keep someone wanting to come back
Starting point is 00:54:20 And what'll happen sometimes is like, uh, I dropped off of steven universe kind of early, but from I uh punched mom like kept going and finished off. Uh, and from what it sounded like They kind of solve a lot of those hooks early on So you're only left with the new hooks that come up for New season characters and new mysteries, but the baseline ones get solved So then all you're kind of left doing is following the present conflict to the end Which oftentimes is not enough
Starting point is 00:54:56 To really grab people and hold them on for that mystery I fell off steven universe, uh The beginning of season two with where'd you fall off season middle of season two, right? Okay, because when they're trying they're like they're just literally like Zany adventure of the week with peridot like six episodes in a row. I'm like, all right. I'm out. So there's two things um I just want to say I I went up and fucking took a look at what goes down in that show And dude that show has the worst ending. Oh my god
Starting point is 00:55:33 I didn't look it up because I might go back to it at some point. Oh, it's it's the worst It is a really clear decision of like my personal themes that I want the show to talk about Are more important than how any of these characters would ever act. Okay so, um Oh, it's bad Might go look one day Just to know but so so uh all this to to get to like some other things where I was just gonna say that like, um These hooks are important and when you spend them when they're covered over and they don't exist anymore
Starting point is 00:56:08 Sometimes stories will do things to if like if someone's like Good at writing they'll find ways to kind of go actually Um, they'll do something like for example, this hook you thought was solved turns out it was wrong information And it's something else completely and you're like, oh shit, right? Or if you have no way other way out if you've written yourself into a corner, you'll go Uh time skip new hooks. What happened in the gap? Well, we'll have to find out right you have you create new hooks because you don't have Uh any mystery anymore to like what you're trying to figure out with these characters. Um
Starting point is 00:56:48 In fact, uh, you know the the the the less I say the better here But I'm willing to say I don't know if you agree with me on this But I feel like the maximum amount of time you can take Uh teasing someone along with a hook before they just get frustrated and tap the fuck out Is the basement And the reason why that is the maximum is because the payoff is so good That it ends up being fucking worth it for the cock tees the whole way through You know, but there's a really famous one that's in movie form, but it's not like
Starting point is 00:57:24 Uh It's not in the long running serial. It's in a film and it's like dude. I don't give a shit that it was the name of his sled dude Like that is okay. Okay a terrible pale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So so all of these little hooks need to be paid attention to and then a time skip will reset And create new things for you to ponder on and be curious to stick around to find out what happened, you know And uh, that's what I feel like we got here. We're going from um
Starting point is 00:57:58 We're going from battle tendency to start as crusaders, you know So anyway, um I Yeah, I just I have some preliminary like I said just early early ask horror thoughts, but more importantly Uh, the original show, um atla atla Is uh, fucking great, man fucking solid
Starting point is 00:58:22 uh, and and I and I truly have an affection for kids shows that age up and At the very least like Get more sophisticated in how they handle the the the characters and the writing I mean, I really really like that. Uh, it's an unexpected pleasant surprise every time and it also serves to like prove the point
Starting point is 00:58:51 that Just because something is for kids doesn't mean it has to be stupid and Anytime someone goes dude stop overthinking it. It's a kids show. It's like no You don't have to say that. That's a silly thing to say You can do kids no quality on occasion you can do something that is aimed at a younger audience that is still
Starting point is 00:59:14 Like well done and tightly and tight and well thought about you do not have to just do that hand wave thing It bothers me so much when I see people say that because it's like you just have to go Yeah, things are suck shit things are shitty. That's it. That's that's the genre if you aim it at kids It has to be bad. It's got to be it's like no it doesn't and this is a wonderful wonderful example of how that Uh, uh comes to be in gargoyles when they accidentally shot a main character. It was a horrible big deal Our girls was fucking wild and out with their With their and it's both like a decent good episode for all ages and it's also like hey kids Maybe don't play with guns morons. Hey kids. Have you uh,
Starting point is 01:00:01 Are you familiar with a mid-summer night's dream? Are you familiar with shakespeaker? Why would why the I'm a kid? I'm a child. Well, I would well Sit tight, you know. Um, yeah, man. I really do like that. I like that a lot Um world building is always fun. So all the appeal of like Seeing what it's like to be a kid in the fire nation country as opposed to being raised in Uh creepy-ass bossing say Which is different from being raised in the earth nation outside of bossing say You know and and and so on and so forth it it really does have
Starting point is 01:00:41 um That like That it has that whole like map And and exploring the fog of war bit to it as well Um that a flying bison can provide so that's that's great. That's really satisfying. Hey before we get off of uh Airbender I have what I would call homework for you woolly because I'm desperate to talk to you about it I need your eyeballs
Starting point is 01:01:10 To hit the m shaman lawn masterpiece that is the last airbender I suppose I might this needs to be discussed I suppose I might at some point. It is the worst movie I have ever seen in the theater I mean it's it's It's just a matter of my curiosity versus um What other things can I do with two hours of my time?
Starting point is 01:01:48 Two it's super long. Oh, yeah Hold on. Let me check the runtime last airbender movie runtime is Oh, it is two hours. Okay. It just felt much longer. Well, um So this is this is and this is how I in a lot of cases Like this is how I kind of like look at my time in many in many ways where it's just like um You know get into this check this out replay that do this and stuff and I'm kind of just like hmm
Starting point is 01:02:15 What do I want to do with my time right now? What do I want to do with my time right now and mo for the answer over the last couple of months was watch more avatar Um, that's what I wanted to do with my time and currently it's watch Korra, but Maybe we shall see We shall see It's It's a good If you have an interest
Starting point is 01:02:44 in Studios ruining things. Hey man Then you need to watch that shit because it is the ultimate dragon ball evolution Needed to happen. It is way worse than dragon ball evolution needed to happen So that's what you know. You're in with the big boys when a giant studio movie production completely misunderstands everything about your story You know, you've arrived You know, you've arrived I think my favorite quote from M. Night Shyamalan is that
Starting point is 01:03:14 In the movie fire benders need flame to be around them To fire bend they cannot manifest it and when asked why he did that he said I didn't think it was fair that fire benders could Just do fire bending whenever That that that unlike the other Gangs and you're like that's the point. Yeah It's pretty that's that that's the literal point It's pretty impressive that the exact same fire That sparked bad box art mega man
Starting point is 01:03:48 From the original design carried forward like an olympic torch to create the likes of dragon ball evolution And the last air bender movie that same Fire of complete misunderstanding of the product right staring at the thing and Thinking about what the what the typical market wants That you think you assume what the audience wants and then looking at the existing thing that they already like and going No Not what you already like
Starting point is 01:04:20 What I think everyone else wants Carrying it forward all these years later. It's pretty impressive That spark will never die It's it's the bad the bad box art mega man Olympic flame You know the complete misunderstanding Of a product as you adapt it I know what the kids want says sabon
Starting point is 01:04:47 In his sarcophagus It's pretty impressive. It's a pretty impressive thing Um, you know what this kitchen needs What's that cooks It does it it many more The reason why the script many many more we need to get more uh Executive writer Credits on this on the script. We need to get more punch ups
Starting point is 01:05:15 You got it. You got to get your punch up in if you don't punch up a script If then you don't get a fucking you don't get a credit for it. You don't get paid Your worth on retainer is is is dropped. You're you're useless You better if you are in the building when a script comes sliding down the conveyor belt You better grab it punch it up real quick and toss it over I love lucy style Everybody's got to get the punch ups Well, anyway, um, I
Starting point is 01:05:51 Fucking love avatar the last airbender Super good. It's good. Super good show How was your week? That's all right Uh Some interesting stuff. I'll skim through a couple. I watched secret of nim last night for the first time ever. Oh Yo, uh rat adventures. Hell. Yeah on on page's recommendation. Okay Um, I I now before you go. Oh, wow, that's a really good recommend from page. Let's be aware
Starting point is 01:06:23 that uh page a few weeks ago recommended me fucking jupiter ascending One of the worst pieces of shit. I've ever seen in my life. Isn't that the so that's the wachowski joint recommendations are not to be trusted That's the wachowski post cloud atlas Yeah, that's the one. Okay. Okay. So that is pretty Yeah, fine. Fair enough Questionable tastes fair enough. Anyway, regardless, but you got secret of nim. Hey, you get to appreciate that classic don bluth Yeah, um, it's like what so when the movie ended I was like really
Starting point is 01:07:01 That's the whole movie Because I almost like your villain shows up and is dealt with within like I want to say like 11 minutes Like the whole movie is on fast forward except for the parts where animals are just hanging out Stacking things on shelves and falling over. Can you see and this is this is a dawn bluth Animation masturbation. It really is. Can you see like that's all it is. Can you see how it led to? A yes fucking genre of imitators and Uh, just all kinds of like little mouse night adventures In the form I can also see
Starting point is 01:07:43 The the logic of having all these characters wear clothes Even though they're just mice and rats, but then sometimes they don't wear clothes Which is in animation parlance means that rat is naked. Hmm. Hmm. And I'm like 1982, huh? Yeah, yeah, so you okay, you can you can understand where your red walls and your and your um Martin the warrior has come from, you know Uh Or your tales of despero For your modern child
Starting point is 01:08:14 There's a fucking there's a modern cg one that uh We had a the game in the office because it was a fucking brass joint, but anyway Um, but yeah, yeah, you want to watch a bunch of dawn bluth style the high end western 80s animation Go watch secret anem. Also some really really short scary moments and some really like um Yeah, like you said just animation masturbation, you know, do you want to see some animation? Do you want to see uh, dom de louise act like a jackass?
Starting point is 01:08:48 Had a weird moment where I I couldn't so The the actors of the day in 82 were so far removed from my mind that my only touching stone on it was Hollywood squares And so I could like is that dom de louise or bobcat gold rate. I'd like I can't huh
Starting point is 01:09:16 And it's like, okay, when I was dom it was dom de louise. Okay. Good. All right moving on Yeah, I still have a soft spot for tight nae in my heart Deep down never seen it. Yeah I still I still have a soft never seen it because the the first thing I ever heard about it ever was that like Was a like a back of the box kind of like quote like from a review It's like it's like watching a video game and I'm like, oh that must be terrible It probably it should have been a show instead of a movie Because it's like, you know a bunch of kids
Starting point is 01:09:51 Going on adventures in space on the way to finding What the new earth should be and it like it probably it had enough legs to do space adventures for a couple episodes before wrapping up in such a fucking You know short and brief telling um But yeah, I also whenever I think of secret of them now. I also think of uh that one I think I talked about it like uh, perhaps probably years ago at this point but that one episode of uh Clarence
Starting point is 01:10:23 where Where the kid is Where the kid goes and has he has this amazing bluth-esque like adventure with these birds and mice and Snakes and garden animals all kind of coming together and singing Together in this musical harmony and it's all a perfect thing But it's just what the kid is it's the kid's adventures in his own head and then it I think it hard cuts To like someone turning a light on in a garage and just seeing the kid on the ground and a bunch of animals just go
Starting point is 01:10:59 And kind of scurry into the corners And it's just it's fucking great. It's just the hilarious like oh man Like this is this is exactly what is happening in a child's mind as secret of nim is really just them rolling around in dirt And and and snakes and bugs and squirrels are just running all over their bodies and then running away from the light Good times Animals are horrible except except you know like cats and dogs and rabbits and horses, etc Uh, what else what else what else what else? Uh, so
Starting point is 01:11:36 I got into uh Oh, this is where this is where woolly's Ability to pay attention is gonna really kick on don't I got in a call of duty over the weekend. That's fine, man Don't over think my fucking resting bitch face I can't see you dude. No, I I I mean for Anyway, my as I sit and listen It it might anyway go on go on Okay, you're resting bitch voice
Starting point is 01:12:04 Resting bitch voice as you're silent It but it no but it no but that it comes from when you were sitting in the couch in front of me And you'd be like you're dying right now and I'm like, I'm not dying. I'm listening to you go on I don't know. It looks like you're dying. I can't see you, but it feels like you're dying um So I downloaded war zone, which I was genuinely a little confused as to what exactly it was because Uh, it is the multiplayer suite of like the modern warfare that they put out, but it's separate So like and we had that big confusing moment over like the title of the game and what it actually is called because
Starting point is 01:12:40 I call yeah, the I called it I called it a war zone And you said it was something else and then it was what I don't I don't even remember It's it's confusing because you literally download it and like it opens up on the the like the middle option Like there's three options left middle and right and the middle one is war zone And the one on the left is the real game in air quotes And the one on the right is the battle. It's like what the fuck Um, it's battle royale game And just like uh blackout before it
Starting point is 01:13:14 Uh, it's pretty good. And now they ruined blackout eventually with a bunch of loot box Like pay-to-win shit Uh, this one doesn't seem to be ruined so far and actually seems to be like a genuine genuine improvement on the how do I put this Non fortnite battle royale. Okay Formula, okay, because you know you got your fortnite And fortnite's gonna fortnite. So um, the first thing I guess I'm curious about is I remember when um, call of duty
Starting point is 01:13:46 Was adding all of those titanfall esque features in advanced warfare And we talked about like oh shit like they've they've futured up, right? Yeah, that's okay. That's what I was wondering is do they just go? Yeah, fuck that that was then an hour back Yeah, no titanfall was coming out. So they decided to swipe those And now that titanfall died they they're just going back to it's just okay. All right great. Okay Just the old style because they're I I want to say that I was like Somewhere in somewhere in that conversation we discussed were like like so do they is this gonna feel so different that they have to kind of Figure out a way to keep some of this and I guess the answer is hard. The answer is no absolutely not
Starting point is 01:14:31 The answer is no okay um so Warzone is your classic like hey fall down shoot the guys get into the center But they actually have a couple little tweaks that make it like Like distinct enough But it's always this kind of feeling of like man. I wish pub g just had worked Instead of falling into a god damn piece of shit
Starting point is 01:14:55 And so every single thing after that is like oh does it can I just run around and shoot people? Yes This map goes up to 150 instead of 100 people And the map timer appears to be like half an hour tops So they really crunch you together like much faster Um, you end up fighting dudes way more often in this game But isn't the map then the other battle royale isn't the map a mixture of all the recognizable maps put together? Uh, no, it's recognizable types of locations from the call of duty series like you know like a a crashed
Starting point is 01:15:32 Uh, like a bunch of plane skeletons and an airport and stuff like that, but they're not specific Oh, okay um Uh, they crunch you together and there's way more people They also have little quests that you can pick up And they will either send you to supply to to items They will send you to locations or they will send you to straight up like hunt other players down with a little radar on them Um, because it's called duty when people fire their guns unless they're silenced you could see their position on your map
Starting point is 01:16:06 Uh You can call down a uav to see people's position on your map You can get a heartbeat sensor to get people's relative location On your map, so there's way way way more ways to just go. Oh, there's a guy right there I I can go I can go and did this help you did this help you win the game? I have not won the game no but It is this thing where
Starting point is 01:16:32 you get to play the game a lot more in pub g and uh To a degree like even blackout like hiding in a fucking corner until the goddamn Uh Gas past you or the you know the line past you was totally viable here
Starting point is 01:16:54 Someone's probably gonna find you like you actually have to shoot gun more which is nice and bonus one of the larger frustrations of the battle royale is You drop and you happen to drop in that that location Where there are 35 other people within 10 feet The hot spot and you have you have no chance to survive like you're running to pick up the gun and a guy
Starting point is 01:17:20 Kicks down the door and he already has a gun and you're dead solo, right? Uh It's all it's a four three two and one. Oh, okay. You were playing solo I play solo. Yes, okay So, okay. I died within 10 seconds of hitting the floor The game takes it easy on you and kicks you into uh, uh, The it's big twist, which is the gulag And the gulag is every single person that dies
Starting point is 01:17:49 Gets to have a duel against somebody else who died And if you win that duel in this tiny little arena you get to drop That is brilliant What a smart way to keep people playing It turns off at 25 people to go because otherwise you would have people dropping in with no gear into like a 10 by 10 foot circle That's brilliant, but what a good design makes you and Because I I've dropped in and died instantly and then had games where I got to like Number 14 by crawling back in right? Yeah
Starting point is 01:18:25 And I've also had games where I lasted for a really long time and then dropped back in and died instantly dude But the the shot Right the the the well-designed second chance is Not something you see often. It's usually just a binary thing. It's usually you have one or you don't Yo, you got two lives or you know what I mean? But the idea of earning it via a 1v1 and then the numbers can allow people to Uh, still slowly reduce, but you know that you're gonna have to deal with a lot more people than you usually would
Starting point is 01:19:01 Is very interesting There's a there's a really there's a there's a lot going on in that that gulag Which is essentially a loser's bracket to get back into the pool Um, yeah, so exactly a tiny area. It is a loser's bracket. You're given Uh, you're given identical gear Um, and like the reason why I've been wearing my headphones way more often lately is because footstep direction is super important Uh, so you're in a tiny arena. So normally if you just walk you would be able to hear exactly where somebody is Well, all the people waiting for their match actually exist in an area above
Starting point is 01:19:39 The the fighting arena and can throw rocks into it to make that hilarious So wait, are you in a large open? Coliseum or are you in like a no no it is a very it's like a it's like a 30 by 50 foot room with cover a lot of A lot of barriers and stuff like that. Okay, so a little bit of that Uh, let's say a way out It looks like the shower room from uh, the rock Yeah, I don't remember that the Sean Connery. Yeah, I don't remember that room
Starting point is 01:20:13 But um, okay. All right, so you but you still you you have to duel and it's not a just an open Area, okay. Yeah Are you paired up big randomly? Yeah, you're paired up right The other big twist is where the call of duty shit comes in Whereas like call of duty has had like the unlock the weapons unlock the gear shit for a million years now Um, and the loadouts and the perks and all that shit. Well, you don't load in with any of that shit You're just grabbing shit off the floor
Starting point is 01:20:44 But as you are doing a little side quest or running up and picking up cash or killing other people You can earn cash and you can use that cash to buy kill streaks or even buy a custom loadout And when your custom loadout drops in your custom loadout also drops with perks that you have set up for itself so I mentioned earlier there were UAVs and heartbeat sensors There is a perk to have your character ignore that or have two primary weapons or run faster and farther or etc And so you get to the end of the thing and you better fucking hope that you ended up with your custom loadout that has perks Because all the other guys in that tiny ring are totally going to have them
Starting point is 01:21:28 When and it gives you a high degree of incentive to do those little quests and to Find and shoot people and to pick up shiny chance. Do you know if you gulag as a squad? I don't okay When you make it back in are you coming back in late game? When you may when you come back in you come back immediately But you're coming in with nothing into a world that has Had been scraped for shit. Okay, so you're coming back mid game because the car you said there's a cutoff You're coming back whenever
Starting point is 01:22:05 You happen to die and you like you I've only waited like two minutes tops for gulag match Like it's very quick So you're coming back immediately if you can't if you died at number 40 You're coming back in at number 36. Okay, and you but you just have to find everything that you're fucking Because you're you're still starting empty, right? um Yeah, I because what i'm wondering is like if you squad And then you 1v1 in the gulag. Do you come back with do this everybody? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:22:32 Do you come back on on another team or? so people in the chat are saying that Your squad can if they are in the peanut gallery can tell you where the guy is oh fuck, okay And there's also an achievement or a quest thing that I saw which is uh buy your whole team back in Interesting, so I imagine one of the buy options become Like literally buy your buy your dude back in Okay
Starting point is 01:23:01 That is which seems awesome. Yeah, um Okay, so but so you yeah, you can you you're you're winning your battle, but you can you still all come back in and play yeah I Really find that interesting that the loser's bracket Is absolutely a wonderful thing. I mean fuck dude like you know, um Early early japanese tournaments were had no losers bracket. They were uh one and done Which is crazy insane. It's it's absolutely insane, you know, and that's just the way they did it single elimination
Starting point is 01:23:35 Uh ride or die doesn't matter what you come up against So it literally changes the tier list around and it makes characters that are explosive and unpredictable Way higher than they would be in a more consistent set Um dudley and makoto can fly high in a world where anything goes who knows what's going to happen on this game, you know So yeah having that Incorporated into your main multiplayer mode is fucking great It's really smart because it's taken like when I would play pub g back in the day My average time per game was really bizarre
Starting point is 01:24:09 because it was um either like 45 seconds or or 25 or the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah and with uh the ability to get the second shot like I feel like the average
Starting point is 01:24:28 The average warzone match is like 10 to 20 minutes which like feels like a Getting blown out twice instantly. Yeah Feels like shit, but but most of the time you get to actually play for a little and you get a little bit of sodium Don't you?
Starting point is 01:24:47 Yeah, you're like, okay, but i'm playing the game and you're like, oh, I made it back in I'm not garbage I beat that guy I can take another shot at it and then I get blown out again by someone who's amazing, but you're like, okay Fine, you know like you took that second shot. It really it it is a loser's bracket um existing is like It's so important in in terms of just I mean edit in a tournament context, right? But mentally like you're able to really go like, all right, listen, I I fought a god, you know
Starting point is 01:25:23 so sure, but I that's not exactly a fair chance against even odds and there never will be but I really want to know what can I do? You know and you just you get to play more you get to play faster and then like You give that person a more accurate reading of like you don't just get one dot on the chart of Where you are skill wise you get two dots to try and figure out your your high and your low range You know you're in between this bracket and by bracket. I mean they also do some mathematical bracket
Starting point is 01:25:56 They also do some fun little stuff with like, you know, I had your warm-up match like the minute before when everybody's loading in Um, this is the only one that I can think of in which you actually drop with a gun Like is pubg and I think fortnight like they just start you with the default shit So you hit the ground in that warm-up match and it is a nightmare because it is all 150 people jammed into like 200 square feet. Yeah open and The fun bit about that is that kills in the warm-up with random bullshit will level those weapons up So you can get more attachments on your custom loadouts like you actually
Starting point is 01:26:35 Can do daily challenges in that shit by accident Uh So you actually play it's funny like when I loaded it into pubg I would just afk because I don't give a shit Right when I load up into the the war zone fucking like warm-up I actually shoot dudes and warm up. It's cool. It's cool. It's a cool little game That's nice. Um, I'm um noticing like uh, yeah similarly in uh In the repertorium you can build towards perks
Starting point is 01:27:09 Or not perks. So you can build towards a Weapon unlocks. So That's nice. So there's there's two two final things. I want to say one is I think it's the nature of certain types of games with certain types of settings Because there's a battle pass for it, right? And the battle pass gets you blueprints for custom weapons that have maybe attachments you didn't unlock yet it'll have cosmetics for your calling card and your quip and your Your costume and your skins and I'm looking at all 100 and I'm like dude, who gives a shit
Starting point is 01:27:42 They're all just different types of camouflage and dude bros with with beanies on and face paint Like they're all modern military And I'm like, who I don't who gives I don't give a shit. This is all worth this is all worthless This is all worthless crap. Doesn't you can't be a dragon. Well, I was gonna say Or an anime man doesn't like rainbow six still have like drastically different skins besides just like military operatives Right like on occasion um So just cod ain't gonna have fun with it
Starting point is 01:28:21 Yeah cod cods. I mean, it's it's consistent Right It's like you do you modern military realistic look And I'm like, I don't know. It's not for me. I guess um, and the other feature That I bet is way more fun when you're playing with squads Is call of duty war zone If you are using a microphone and your microphone is on
Starting point is 01:28:50 And you die you will transmit the final two seconds of your life to the person who killed you So In solo it's fairly rare But every now and then I will get a dude and I'll hear if fucking bitch and it's just like, mm-hmm Yes, didn't we just talk about this? as uh shame features go A little while ago, right? They actually right a call of duty game Is putting in the
Starting point is 01:29:22 Like the ball cam Huh, and you could turn it off if you want but by default But like you're the last thing they said before they they got like I like I have heard Some angry toxic shit Sent my way That's and uh, oh, yeah, dude. That's funny because it like it it um it basically is like
Starting point is 01:29:49 establishing that we know that like toxic salt is Like a commodity And we're serving you an order of it Like it's fully embracing that and being aware of it because they know exactly what you're gonna hear on the other end And they're and oh you're gonna hear some angry whiny voice and they're assuming you want to hear it. So that's I want that's pretty funny. It's a bummer because in solo. I mean, there's no real good reason to have your microphone on so you hear it fairly rarely Uh, if you're playing in squads, I assume most people are chatting with their one one
Starting point is 01:30:25 So you're way way more likely to hear it Oh, it's just I've heard some angry little babies and it's just it's uh Overwatch like even if I killed an instant later over. I'm just like overwatch is out here like Filtering the text to to turn filtering gg to turn words into other words And call of duty is like wrapping it up in a bow and putting a fucking Delivery notice and sending it to your door with a frame around it. So you can hang it on your wall it's it's It's good that they don't forget their roots because like halo two and three
Starting point is 01:31:07 and call of duty four and modern warfare two had like That was the pinnacle of the shittiest voice chat experience ever There's never been a more toxic series of lobbies And and open voice chat comms Ever I would imagine than those four games. I would imagine. Yeah And like it was fucking sick It was sick man
Starting point is 01:31:36 It was the best It was the best I see And You're just getting a little taste of that just a little taste of that Uh, what else do I do with my my life? Hey I finally defeated. I finally took a look at warhammer and got through the block the horrible horrible OCD all my units block that kept me from enjoying that game at all
Starting point is 01:32:11 I finally crested that hill and got to play warhammer for a good bunch to this past Did you do that by That and and did you do that by going into warhammer adventures stories from the far future attack of the necron? I did not okay I did not the easy the easy way to do that actually I've discovered something bizarre about my personality And you might be able to to empathize with this more than most do tell and that is oh Okay, we're gonna we're gonna start up. Uh, you know war is a complicated rts 4x thing with units and buildings all this shit, right? All right, uh, let's do a warhammer stream. Okay, this stream save file
Starting point is 01:32:53 Doesn't matter because it's just for the people and I'm not gonna come back to it Yeah, that's what we talked about last week Yeah, well it works. Yes, you make a third slow I literally made that suggestion. I was like, yeah, make it just make a third slot who and then you don't care about it And you push it off skin off camera Yeah, uh, and I was able to do that and I was able to actually see through Like oh, that's not that big or that is a big deal, etc And then as a bonus, I know he literally said that you jacket you motherfuckers
Starting point is 01:33:27 Ah, anyway And then as a bonus there is a faction in that game that has free units And no unit upkeep because they're a a mass skeleton faction in which if your whole army gets annihilated, it's fine you just take three turns to build them back up and And that was mothman's advice to go tomb kings and once I did that I'm like, oh, this is how the I was never able to get Deep enough in to see how things fit together. So I don't what to actually worry. I don't understand the free units part of this
Starting point is 01:34:03 Okay, so in in an rts game of this nature Units have a buy-in cost and they also have an upkeep cost Right, so you have your your town's economy And uh, a treasury and so like oh, I'm taxing everybody really well and I have a bunch of economic buildings So I'm rolling in money, right? Which enables you to build up a high-end fancy army with really high-end units, right? That's most of the factions in the game Uh, the tomb kings being made up entirely out of skeletons
Starting point is 01:34:34 Have no buy-in on their units at all and they have no upkeep on their units at all either but they have a limited amount of armies on the field and Their buildings are laughably expensive But so it puts all of your economic like decision making On your town rather than your army Which means that losing a town is
Starting point is 01:35:01 A billion times more catastrophic But losing an army just means just time and they'll come right the fuck yeah, okay Um, so that ends up in a situation where like oh, I can get through the first 30 40 50 turns Before any of that other shit starts to come up, which means I get it. Oh, I get to do like 5 10 battles I get to do I get to Examine like oh, how would I want to compose an army or whatever and now that I've done that I'm like oh Who cares if your army gets fucked up?
Starting point is 01:35:34 Just get more army Which is different from what I I had originally anticipated, which was oh, I lost half my units Oh, my game might as well be over and you quit preemptively should Then you would quit and restart, etc. Okay Okay, all right, so you just had to and it's it's It's one of those things where people can tell you that but Until you actually have to see that
Starting point is 01:36:02 That's it's different. I feel like So I have the ocd and that's part of it But also I see a lot of people who don't have the ocd have this issue where they have to save every elixir essentially Yeah And all I can think of is like dude the super nintendo era of games fucking taught a generation of people all the wrong lessons Um like mega man save those e-tanks for signal Well, I think uh, yeah, what I what I would say is probably Since we've been over this in a couple of different versions kind of conversationally
Starting point is 01:36:40 I would say that like there were game design mistakes that had not yet been Explored when it comes to the idea of consumables consumables. Yeah are um Besides like ocd and goblins besides that level of like uncomfortable to use, you know for those purposes they're also just like You don't know what the future holds holds And even someone who is just like fast and loose with their consumables Might still just have like a moment of paralysis as to whether or not they should bother
Starting point is 01:37:18 You know on this attempt or not I want to say all the way up until like The 360 era games still often had Constant fucked up super ridiculous difficulty spikes That's a way less common now But like I remember Engaging in dozens and dozens of games in which I'm like how the fuck could I have possibly done this? Unless I had saved all of my resources to deal with this and of course that and it was one of those things that moved forward as a habit from
Starting point is 01:37:54 You know, just this is what rpgs are. This is how these games work You know when when you you'd find yourself going from it's like whatever was established by a fucking dragon warrior You know, you're going to be finding later on years later when you're playing pokemon And it's like this is a temporary buff for your pokemon in this moment of the fight in this one fight And it is a consumable you got to go buy and you're just like Well, and it turns out in the end meta wise this shit's really important But you're like I don't know how strong how much of a struggle this is compared to the next one, you know, I think the um Yeah, at some point there was a realization I think and and and we started seeing
Starting point is 01:38:32 The think con like concepts like estus You know arrive but Estes is my favorite like item in any game of all time. It's very smart It's a consumable that they tell you to use and you use it because you better. Yeah, but it's also like it's it's Meant to help you the exact number of times you have it for that life You know for this attempt. It's like there is a there's an expected challenge here and you
Starting point is 01:39:01 uh can Deal with this many threats, but you you don't have to worry about the unknown As and be paralyzed by whether or not to take a sip, you know Now the the total worst thing that I'm dealing with is a problem that you're pretty much only going to deal with for one total war game ever because they're all the same more or less and This particular total war hammer two has like 35 different fucking factions. Oh, sorry. Can I so like
Starting point is 01:39:34 I was just just I had a second thought third real quick is just like Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know it was just that um the existence of estus then makes things like life gems and even fucking Electric paper or whatever like or blood. Yeah, it then makes those things like okay. Yeah, you got an alternative here But that alternative is meant to be like an alternative. There's a clear Way forward with just the base challenge, you know Um, and then those things become an optional thing as opposed to this shit is actually extra Yes, and you can thank your you can spend at your leisure and you know spend money to replace at your leisure
Starting point is 01:40:15 Um, but no requirements of this are asked of you, you know, but yeah anyway Uh, what the fuck was I was saying uh the the in the total war series like everybody who's played these games before like Rome or Attila or whatever the fuck they learned this long ago, and I'm I'm way at the ass end of it um, and also like warhammer 2 has like Like it looks like a fighting game character select for something like marvel There are so many fucking different characters and factions that it's like, oh You'll play the tirion campaign and then fail the tirion campaign and then there are still five more high elf campaigns that you can give a shot
Starting point is 01:40:55 If you like that army And then want to you know give it another go like Fucking ridiculous is total warhammer the most like um Does it have the most lore in terms of just like the breadth of content compared to other warhammer related games? I don't uh other warhammer releases
Starting point is 01:41:18 There's no question. Yeah, this is the biggest warhammer game. Okay. There's the biggest war with the most amount of warhammer stuff Not just 40k. Okay It has the most stuff by far not even close Um, it's probably also the best of them Because because I always got the that it is really good I always got the impression that like if let's say you played all these individual games related to warhammer or related to 40k That like in each case you're only getting a slice of whatever that game is offering you And that you would never really get the full picture until you just dove into the fucking lore, you know that it yeah
Starting point is 01:41:54 So as far as I like there are like four Good warhammer games. No five. There are five good warhammer games Right. There's this one There's dawn of war Uh dark crusade There's dawn of war two There's space marine And then there's uh
Starting point is 01:42:16 A vermin tide. Oh, you're including both, right? Okay. Yeah, no, they they mix in there. Okay Um, and the reason why I say that uh, yeah, there might be a six or a seven. Oh Mechanicus is good too Um, so six the reason why I point that out like wow six good Uh, uh warhammer games. That's cool, isn't it? There are so many fucking warhammer games, dude The game's workshop gives that license out all over. Oh, yeah, it's the double dragon license
Starting point is 01:42:51 Dude, there are so many And many of them are fucking bad like bad Okay, um, so and warhammer 40k has had a better record than warhammer has Um, I got a copy of space Hulk for the Sega Saturn on my shelf Did I talk last week about the the historical people being Angry at total warhammer? Yes, because it took the place of the of the accurate history
Starting point is 01:43:26 Yeah, and like this past weekend probably because of mandalore's video like warhammer 2 had its like best weekend ever It was like quite high up on steam played and whatnot Um, and I get the reference to that name though It's nice. It's a good. It's like, oh, it's just a good. It's a good game It's a it's a really good. It's a really good type of them grand strategy slash rts games And it's so much more interesting to the average person and there's like Even from a gameplay perspective like yeah, people love total war room, right?
Starting point is 01:44:04 And everybody loves that, but you know what that shit doesn't have flying units Because why the fuck would it have flying units? Why you know what else it doesn't have? magic spells or summoned entities or The ability for I don't know the galls to create a rat nuke underneath row Well, this is where video games can have fun With their design choices outside of your themes, you know
Starting point is 01:44:34 If you're if you are into it for the historical accuracy, you're a different type of player But you're probably in the minority compared to people that are just like yeah digging it for you know What it's got going on as a game Yeah, uh, but yeah good game liked it And that's that's pretty much it for my week if you want to check me out you can take a look over at twitch.tv slash pat stairs at doing dark souls and war zone and Xenoblade this week Okay
Starting point is 01:45:05 Um So hey, well, can you give me a few minutes? I gotta there was a delivery the door and I know all I'm package sitting out there for like, you know A couple hours, so I'll be back in like five. All right brb See I should meet myself to do that. That's fine brb Okay Took the time to get myself a second cup of coffee. All right
Starting point is 01:45:34 um Right, so over on my side of things, uh besides The aforementioned Um, I forgot to ask you something that you told me I could ask you about this week about your channel Yeah Doka pawn has now Completed in both anime and manga format
Starting point is 01:45:59 so it is Uh It is it is fair Game to discuss if you still haven't caught up on doka pawn, then you're gonna need to dodge But um doka pawn is now complete in both anime and manga format. We are going to be discussing The the doka pawn. I mean it doesn't have to be a big discussion, but we're we're we're not holding back spoilers So, yeah, that shit went down
Starting point is 01:46:24 That shit went down. I would like to say congratulations to men The dokage I would also like to point out That all three of you are bitch cowards Okay I was informed before Or after I don't know it depends
Starting point is 01:46:47 Uh, I've received a statement from uh one Doka game in yes, that's right um, so If you would be so kind I can just uh, absolutely go for it. All right, so, um Min says if pat on the podcast Disagrees with the winner's decision to split the pool
Starting point is 01:47:11 Please tell him that it is well within my rights as the winner to use it as I see fit He is not my financial advisor nor the judge to decide how my uh, well-earned money should be spent um So essentially I can do what I want with it. That is absolutely accurate. I am not the judge nor his financial advisor I'm merely a not even active. I am a passive outside observer To which I say that is a bitch coward talk and You and reggie are in no way
Starting point is 01:47:47 Free of the bitch cowardess Which is while he is totally free to do what he will with his money You two are also free to not accept that money because you are losers And you lost All right That's it this literally, okay, okay Uh That's cool
Starting point is 01:48:15 Personally I said what I said at the at the end of it, which was um Well the way he phrased it was uh, generosity is the ultimate salt I found that to be uh So now that the audio has to be an eye roll he's doing a jerk off motion a jerk a jerk off motion Uh, we talked about it. It was funny because in that moment too reggie said, uh, yo, I would have I Would have done the same thing and I'm in fact, I'm mad that uh, you got the good guy credit on that move Uh, and I said, oh, I would have taken it. So I am shocked that this is what you're doing Uh, straight up
Starting point is 01:48:54 real We have a room of chris g's of pot splitters so Now the specter of collusion will always rain over your heads Collusion takes place before something goes down. How can we ever know now that we saw that the pot got split? That I'm looking you in the eye right now and telling you that that's not what okay Well, I'm looking everyone else in the eye and telling them the honest truth that that's how it went down
Starting point is 01:49:25 Oh, I'm not saying none of us knew he was gonna do that now The specter of collusion will always live on That's fine, but I'm telling you that that's not true. That's a lie So right away whether you choose to not believe that is up to you But the honest truth is I had no idea he was gonna do that neither did reggie If you have a blood pool that you should see blood and not all shake hands and be cool, man I don't disagree I was
Starting point is 01:49:59 Very much like anyway, that's that that's how that's how I Uh, uh stated I was going to not I wasn't going to do that. That was a very surprising move, but um I was I was informed by somebody who kept up that uh May have done so as he portrayed himself as the ultimate villain of dokapon This was a way to like buy back some good will with generosity That's possible. I think so. I mean I kind of set myself up as the villain early on by being a shithead
Starting point is 01:50:39 From the start which then Turned most people against me for the remainder of it There was an interesting journey, you know as as as the The arcs of the anime flowed and and as we went through filler arcs and training arcs and all kinds of things and um In the end there was sort of a a coalescing around Uh, you know team reggie as the the hero for the most part, but I think
Starting point is 01:51:11 Uh when it came down to it like It just uh, it pretty much the tension was the bat the final battle between Uh me min and the final boss, you know and um People might not necessarily have ended on the same teams that they started out with But one thing was for sure from the jump I was I was being a humongous asshole in the first session and
Starting point is 01:51:38 Min was a shit-disturber. He was an agent of chaos And that and that was his uh, that was his angle. So There might be some credence to that theory Yeah Yeah, it was pretty. What I'm saying is that if you don't give that money back you are a bitch coward. That's it. That's it Okay So, uh doke upon if you'd like to see how this all went down in uh
Starting point is 01:52:11 this legendary insanely ridiculous, uh Fucking lp you can catch all of that currently on woolly versus and um And also, uh, I think we're gonna what I did do So the final episode is was not listed as the final because we didn't want to give it away for people that were like Edge of their seat holding on to see what was going to happen
Starting point is 01:52:35 So now it was just put out as the number But then we're gonna come back to it and re-edit it so that it is clear that it is the end of the playlist But at least for that initial release, we didn't want you to to know it was the final episode before that's smart. I like that That's good. Yeah, we did a little we did a little fake out. Um Uh, and and and I guess the perfect opportunity while I'm talking about that to mention as well that you might see a But a bunch of other things that are pretty different. Um on the channel and uh Yeah, I basically, you know, uh decided that I want to change the format up a little bit. So
Starting point is 01:53:10 um, at least in terms of presentation were now um putting uh unique Titles thumbnails descriptions for each I've noticed a lot of people are doing that Well, um, there's an algorithm thing where you go, you won't believe what happened here. Oh god. Yeah One weird trick, you know, all of that jazz is absolutely algorithming. Um, and I don't
Starting point is 01:53:40 Think it hurts you to add unique descriptors certainly, but for me, it's definitely more about Oh, fuck. Which episode was it where, uh, Will he fought rico jr? Yeah Uh, let's look at these thumbnails. They're all the same. Let's look at these. Okay. The only indicator here is the number of the Who knows? Yeah, right versus the one where he's on the thumbnail and it says Uh, fuck you rico jr. You know, so um in terms of just Allowing someone to like find anything in any of our lps
Starting point is 01:54:16 I think it'll come in handy, especially considering the length of both dokapon and kotor 2 There are some choice moments that people want to like find rewatcher, you know, uh, uh, and and you know Get to so it's like why not help with that certainly so, um, you know Doing that having a little bit of a description to like cover at least what's going on there and just getting getting the The shortening of the title so that's just the name and then the number and then that more information helps everybody helps people find Things better and uh, if you happen to not be watching something for example, but you're waiting for a certain part Which some people, you know, sometimes do they're like, oh, I know this game I don't want to watch the whole thing, but I do want to see once they get to this planet or something like that
Starting point is 01:55:02 Well, now you've got that information, you know, so, um Just more details for the anime to help it Um To help people find what they need so that's going to be going down Doom right now is kind of doing it too with with each episode and we also like to congratulate you by the way I took a look at the eternal, uh intro sequence and And uh, that is a a master stroke Thank you. Thank you. I am quite
Starting point is 01:55:34 Pleased that uh, that was made possible. Did she know there wasn't like what is the backstory on that? There wasn't much room To to evolve that bit except in the direction that it went in There's nowhere else to go after the first one quite frankly It's kind of sad that like the bit is kind of done because I don't think you're ever going to top like getting it No, no, no, no, that's not that Yeah, yeah, that's done. It you know much like and past discussions There's nowhere else to go with this. We're done here the um, the the the probably
Starting point is 01:56:07 One of the funniest things to me is like when my mom did agree to to do the bit like When I when she when she did it it was so funny because I'm like Okay, one This is being she gets someone. Uh, someone recorded it right for her and two like She's doing her best to not turn on the fucking accent And she said she's trying to sound as proper as possible Because that was a weird thing because I ran into your mom twice and her accent is usually thicker than that
Starting point is 01:56:46 So so, you know, so but but this is a thing you have to you you hear it, right? And like it kind of happens way more with jamaicans than it does with like other islands I find like with granadians with with with uh, basins. It's it's it's a little bit different But like jamaicans do this thing where they suddenly try to speak very correctly And they try to enunciate every word you see because it makes me sound a little bit smarter if I announce my words And I'm holding back the accent Exactly you hear this very weird thing where I'm suddenly trying to speak very clearly But if you know the truth, you know that the accent is one second away from you know, like it's coming
Starting point is 01:57:31 It's it's being held back like fucking p3 protagonist You know, the it's it's gonna come flowing out So she is absolutely doing her best to sound proper and not too fucking Not too island with it, you know, and and and it works because you know, she she did it, but like I'm like, oh Oh, you best believe on this word of that word too you best believe when the cameras are off and the and the and the the the Tolerance is is low That the full thing comes out, you know, and that's what I was doing in the first
Starting point is 01:58:11 In the first intro. I was doing the real shit. You're getting the sanitized version And Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that was great. Um lots of fun on that with doom eternal and um bless bless bless up more life I
Starting point is 01:58:34 Am Very much enjoying the loop of that game. Mm-hmm It is quite a nice cycle and the fact that we have been introduced to gun mechanics that can break the cycle to your choosing is a phenomenal way of allowing you to play how you want to so Flamebelch is fantastic. Oh man. What like that was the missing piece. It was the revert To the eye the doom tony hawk system
Starting point is 01:59:07 I wish flame belch was a giant yoga flame I kind of wish it covered a large area in front of me, but regardless. It's a nice piece that puts in the ability to get your shields back Wonderful. Um, this is something that you incorporate in the loop Or if you would like you can instead upgrade your super shotgun And allow the chains to flame up whatever you target. I would like to do that That would be that's then you here is your new flame belch In addition to the default one, you know, uh, I would like to heal when I go glory kill things
Starting point is 01:59:42 Of course I do, but I would also like to heal when I kill frozen things and blood punch them. Yes So we can now have different angles to play this loop on You know or rather different tracks to take I feel so bad for that fucking revenant dude. It opens it up The the revenant that gives you your shotgun Oh, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's funny. It's also a way to introduce that multiplayer mechanic. I'm sure that in a way I will promise to you But we'll talk about that later
Starting point is 02:00:21 sure the um You know, I won't keep going on about um the level sizes. I said they're fucking I stay Yep, I rather them short end of story It gets really insane at the end where there is a level that is literally titled the level part one the level part two The level part three and they are all oh my god all Proper levels themselves. Wow, and you're like wow really? Jesus
Starting point is 02:00:52 Yeah um the fucking the absolute size Of the uh of your base Holy fuck. It's fucking gigantic too. Yeah, Jesus. You know, there's secrets in it Yeah, I'm not surprised and shit. I believe it. I believe it took took 25 minutes probably going through his his like bedroom
Starting point is 02:01:20 Or like whatever hangout room lounge that bookshelf is just a fucking apocalypse mm-hmm The bookshelf the fucking computer Uh, yeah, just you can take a it took a while to get through every little bit in peace You can really characterize a blank slate really hard if you just show us the room that they have designed for themselves of course Why wouldn't he be a guitar shredder? fun things uh too is uh
Starting point is 02:01:50 You know wait the the first one really kind of touches on it, but this one really goes all in with this is sci-fi future With this is sci-fi future built on top of fantasy Like there are castles and knights and demons and magic dogs And we put our soldier men in front of on on top of these things um Fucking nunchucks in a skateboard dude. Come on. Yeah. Anyway, so that's that's that's uh, that's all great
Starting point is 02:02:25 I uh just fought the um the doom hunter And that is an action figure ass villain if i've ever seen one I always tend to think that like monsters with no legs that have flying platforms or like Dumb tank legs look really stupid every time. Yeah, and this is exactly that but it's like Yeah, it it looks like an action figure. I love that you spend the whole level watching it be constructed mm-hmm mm-hmm and
Starting point is 02:02:58 like the doom hunter Dude that thing is a boss fight and a half I fucking adore the fact that you beat it and then the second one just comes in immediately So you beat it and then you jump in the hole And then they're like yeah, so it's an it's it's it's an enemy now It is now an enemy that was that was your introduction They didn't they didn't waste any time with that a lot of games will give you
Starting point is 02:03:30 Perhaps a level before they introduce it as a okay now fight it in the context of not a boss fight And it's like now here's two Go it's also like really similar to like a an old doom design Which was like serge from doom 3 And it also looks just like like a warhammer 40k uh enemy um Yeah, it would look cooler with legs, but here's the thing That fight like many other rooms teaches you
Starting point is 02:04:05 to move And kill what happens to cross your lot your field of vision But do but but do it in that order. I think outside of the final boss. That's the room. I died the most in in the game Interesting because it's not the purple rooms No, not the purple rooms ironically But it was it's the room where it's like no, you're gonna learn how to do this properly Yeah, or else you'll die. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah um
Starting point is 02:04:37 having um Guiding getting those batteries now and i'm seeing like you're like, oh my god. Okay, wait, wait, how many things can we do here? They're like, oh fuck. Okay. We've got the old weapon power-ups. We've got the weapon Add-ons, then you got the power the pips for each add-on then you've got the mastery challenge then you've got the Uh, well you got what used to be the praetor suit upgrades now split into two different like screens
Starting point is 02:05:06 One of which is like praetor suit upgrades plus An ability and then the second being like just like little I guess like quality of life and cool down Things to spend your cookies on you know all the cookie cookies you collect And i'm like meh and then there's crystals, right? So i'm just like I have A lot of things to spend these batteries on and you really got to choose Whether you want to go
Starting point is 02:05:31 I'll give you a tip Because it was very shocking to me There are more upgrade materials in the game than you need Yes, I did catch that there are significantly more. It's like 70 percent I did catch that the other thing is that eventually in the final batch of levels There is a new type of upgrade power-up that just skips the weapon challenge Oh, wow Okay, so if there are weapon challenges that you're looking at that I don't care about fuck. I don't want to do that
Starting point is 02:06:04 Yeah, yeah Just don't Yeah for all the for all the non-preferred upgrades. I don't really want to you know I got a very clear like no, I prefer this one. I don't want to do that one So yeah, that's good. I like that good. I feel like um Also, it's would be fun to start playing around with these cosmetics and skins that I can Buy with the batteries, but One, um
Starting point is 02:06:31 I would rather get a function upgrade. Yeah out of those batteries and two I'm still enjoying the normal suit. He's got on. I don't need to change it yet The classic look as my first upgrade and I I've worked pretty much the whole game Hmm because Because you got to get that that those abs out Also, the cutscenes are hilarious if you use the old costume Well, it's the only place you can really appreciate it though, right? Like you're not going to see it otherwise So well your arms change as well
Starting point is 02:07:02 Oh, okay um, yeah, so uh Fucking radish it You know, we'll we'll we'll get there when we get there, but um These these help priests are They they's bitch and they're gonna go As as they as as they should when you introduce, you know a bunch of scurrying little fucking
Starting point is 02:07:29 rodent people To to to run around and and push things in front of them as they try to get away from you because doom guy is basically made to Face anyone who's gonna go. Hey wait. No, you can't oh Like as long as the person is speaking in a holier than thou voice Uh doom guy's got a perfect fucking antithesis There's a there's a couple scenes in the game in which doom guy actually gets to interact with like normal human beings And they're all incredible
Starting point is 02:08:01 Because it's so I met I mean I met the betrayer. So Yeah, there's not much to that one so far, but he's still kind of normal compared to most of the people you run into And that's like two seconds and i'm like, oh, hey kratos How you doing so you're here, huh? Yeah, i'm just chilling down here waiting for my dlc episodes That's is that confirmed. Yeah, totally at least one of them is going to be levels is him Gotcha, gotcha. Okay doom eternal is fun
Starting point is 02:08:37 doom eternal is fun, um We are getting through that, um I cracked top 300 in teppen. So that's fucking sick zero get nerfed yet. Uh, no Um season's still going Keep riding that wave riding the wave. It's it's the wave Uh, there's a couple other really strong waves happening in teppen right now. Um, but like it is basically like it's become clear at this point that it's like if you are attempting To play an honest game of teppen
Starting point is 02:09:15 With a character that is going to put cards down to uh do some damage and then win the game you shan't be winning the game um the way you win Right now in that top 500 or that even that say that top thousand bracket of teppen is the You basically have to create a nonsense gimmick That often involves like, um Let's say for example not playing any cards on the field whatsoever
Starting point is 02:09:47 Uh, so there's a Ryu style of play where you never ever put a card down to attack anybody You only play like action cards that direct damage the opponent. That sounds fucking stupid, man And then you have a super and an ability that makes your direct attacks do more damage so, uh Ashley graham Is that uh, yes, ashley is a character that doesn't attack But when she's on the field, she makes your direct attacks do more damage She makes anything you do do an extra damage point. Oh because then
Starting point is 02:10:27 So she she buffs up whatever you do, right Then uh, Ryu can do like like dungeon kind of mode like he fucking does like an electric charge And that adds an extra damage point as well so that he can just sit there And directly attack you and you've got to find a way to deal with that shit because he's not playing the game You know, um Or you know, there are whiskers who will basically Create a ridiculously expensive overpowered card um
Starting point is 02:10:59 They'll make sure that they'll they'll play a card that drops that Insanely expensive card into the graveyard and then they'll play another card that says resurrect anything in the graveyard for cheap And now this super crazy thing Shows up and you're like well fuck me, you know Um, you basically have to do that. So yeah, that's kind of what's happening. It's it's it's become a bit of a scam But I'm running a I'm running a uh, you know, like I said zero a zero scam that revolves around there's something weird about like car games in particular
Starting point is 02:11:38 Where there's this element of like I'm gonna run this until they get rid of it because I know they will because it's fucked I guess I mean If you're gonna because here's the deal right You're either it's like you beat him or join him So I'm fighting against that Right with a pretty honest Nero deck And it's just It's literally it becomes impossible
Starting point is 02:12:06 Nice, you know, I'm like, oh, it's not going to happen. You're never going to do enough damage like the only times it'll it'll work out in your favor is if Everything that they're pulling up is extremely bad luck and everything I get is extremely good luck If his best cards are at the bottom of his deck and my best cards are at the top then yeah, he's not going to win You know, but just playing the odds would have in a randomized random ass shot You can't win you can't win unless you have some horseshit So yeah top 300 we'll have these moments where um, for example Uh with my zero
Starting point is 02:12:46 um you kind of You kind of aren't you're playing a little bit here and there, but you're kind of wasting time because what you essentially want is either um, there's a card that is uh, like I said v from from dmc5 Um, he can show up and then he can summon one of the three boys And he and if one of the three boys dies you can immediately just bring them back up
Starting point is 02:13:10 Oh, nice over and over and over and over and over again, right? So As long as v is alive they can keep coming back so you can kind of run that strategy It's very expensive, but it works and another one is to waste a bunch of time and do what you call resonate which is basically like um playing action cards and then when you play uh, like 15 action cards
Starting point is 02:13:34 You can put down You ever played you even played mega man x2? I have So do you remember the x hunters? uh violin agile and surge Like I played x2 once Okay in 1997 So, uh, there are these obscure ass enemies from the mega man x games and I remember them
Starting point is 02:13:57 Like really really well because I had I owned a cartridge of x2 um And so though they were basically like these bosses that would appear not on um Their own stages, but they would be on the maps Uh, and they would you'd fight them like in other people's like areas type of thing. They would should show up otherwise um so, uh
Starting point is 02:14:21 Sir sir, sir gay sir. Sir. Sir gay. Okay. Like yeah, uh, so Those three basically end up being a uh, uh a card that you play at after you've Done 15 of these things these like resonate moments. I get described you play three super cards all at once And they're ridiculously strong And you can't really do much to fight them And most players that know when you're in like that top 500 as soon as you play this card They just quit the game
Starting point is 02:14:52 Hey, let me ask you a question I mean you're describing this this card as being the shit I remember in hearthstone. There was this period In which the advice I got every single time I played the game was save up your dust To get uh god. What the fuck was it professor boom? Or something like that. Okay, forget the name. Okay, and it was like What's the deal with that card? It's an every sink doctor boom. It's an every single fucking deck in the game Because it's the best card
Starting point is 02:15:25 It's the best Is teppin at that place where? There are like five or ten cards or whatever that are like you get these and you win and if you don't have them you will lose Uh, yeah, there's a handful um if you There's there's a handful if you don't Have a brainwashed card Mm-hmm Then you have to have a counter brainwashed strategy. There's a card called brainwashed
Starting point is 02:15:57 That uh, basically is i'm stealing that i'm stealing a card. I'm taking something from you And if you don't have a counter ready, you just you lose whatever So some people have strategies that involve making a super card that you can't really beat if you've fucking got no plan Then it's a free steal. You know um Similarly, there's also one called um Maverick's memories, which is uh, it's a zero card that nullifies any action So these two actually go hand in hand. So yeah, so you need a you need an action nullifier or one of these things in place because
Starting point is 02:16:35 They fucking just snatch they take you they take your shit Um, you need a plan for that. You know when you see it you need to know what to do Uh There are i'd say I'd say there's probably like 10 extraordinarily pop popular cards that like
Starting point is 02:16:58 That are different colors because you know each like deck has its own color Uh each each character You're going to see if you see a wesker you're going to see the best of the black decks cards You know, you can expect to see these are those, you know, so yeah, it does happen I Imagine that sucks but also money Yeah, exactly exactly you know
Starting point is 02:17:24 So you're trying to you're hoping that uh, you're you get one of those from your fucking Random ass gacha pack When you when you when you draw something and if you do you're like, oh great. I can I can play now I'm allowed to live was on the pc, dude It's on your ipad Yeah, like there are there are a significant amount of games of this nature that I have android clients and iphone clients and pc clients
Starting point is 02:17:54 and I hate That I can't play it on the pc because I would I would be way more likely to give it a shot on the pc Than I would be on my phone because I fucking hate playing shit on my phone What I streamed it. I played it by mirroring it to my desktop Okay So I I was playing it on my phone still But uh, my screen was being shared with my desktop and then I just full screened it on on my tv
Starting point is 02:18:21 Now I'm seeing people say just emulate it But what point is there to emulate a fucking game that you have to play online? Like by yourself I don't understand I don't know am I old is that what's happening? My out-of-touch with the kids You know if it ever did come to pc PC players would be at a disadvantage. How so? Um
Starting point is 02:18:55 Okay, so I've described how this is not purely a time game. Yeah, you're also dropping things at certain time periods It's not it's it's not purely a turn-based game. There's time involved. There's attack lines that make a difference, right? Because there's attack lines that make a difference when you see an attack line come from one card. Let's say, um Uh, uh, uh fucking Uh nightmare shows up and then it's got like it's got it's got 13 life 13 damage That's massive because you have 30 hp in total right right and this this line gets to the end And it's about to do damage the time to counter things Is as close to the moment that it's about to hit
Starting point is 02:19:40 The enemy is possible right because you if you if you try to counter it midway through that line traveling They have enough time to do bullshit. So let's say, um I I go oh you're about to you're using your nightmare to attack me for a lot of damage I'll just use that brainwashed card. I mentioned and I'll steal it from you Um, if you do that midway through then I can you know, perhaps Set up another thing or I have multiple ways to counter it But if I do it the moment before it touches you You have to have to have to have a counter immediately ready
Starting point is 02:20:14 Otherwise one fraction of a second later you're taking all this damage So how would that mean that pc players have a disadvantage? Because there are moments where I'm about to die Right because someone has stopped time The moment one frame before I'm about to get lethal Like damage to kill to end the round Yeah, right I have like five life left and they're about to hit me for six And they've decided to stop me from doing any possible counter by like doing a uh a time stopping spell or whatever, right? Okay
Starting point is 02:20:49 um So what I'm doing in on my phone is I'm literally Hitting my super button Like you have to drag it into the center of the screen. I'm dragging my finger At such a ridiculous pace That I have to land This super that will kill the thing that's about to kill me Before that line touches
Starting point is 02:21:14 Am I losing you? I'm I'm I understand I'm just under I'm misunderstanding how pc players have a disadvantage the mouse clicking and dragging To the middle of the screen unless they change the inputs directly Unless they change the the inputs directly um The dragging the the the super into the the active point
Starting point is 02:21:40 Is going to be slower Because you don't know the exact moment when it returns to active gameplay Then it would be just literally spamming your finger over the corner of the screen So if activating that seems wrong Yeah, it's it's kind of silly. No, I mean it sounds like what you are saying is wrong All right, I'm gonna try to I'm trying to move it to you because I don't know what you're talking about Okay, so for those of you who don't know uh the game at all Let me try to explain this in as much detail as I can to show you that I'm not being insane here
Starting point is 02:22:15 Because I'm gonna do what the book says where I have to do this All right, so because because people play starcraft at like a hundred and eight like 3 000 a p.m You have to know this game to understand my point if you don't know the game you will not understand my point If all I had to do was put the mouse in the corner of the screen And click Mashing over the super button, right? To activate it We'd be fair. There'd be no problem because you would activate
Starting point is 02:22:46 The let's say you'd be activating in that one frame window that you have right that once you'd be activating it by mashing it My finger can scrub the corner of the screen From where the button is where the super button is I have to drag the card to the middle I can scrub. Are you just are you just scrubbing it over and over and over over and over and over and over and over And over again I have to scrub and the scrub is is a click a hold a drag and a release All many many many times per second Okay, because the moment it right on a pc you are doing four things
Starting point is 02:23:27 You are clicking Holding dragging and releasing Yeah, and dropping you cannot do that with a mouse as fast as your finger can just rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub rub so um You can do it But you're not gonna do it as good as someone on their finger would which is going to put you at an inherent disadvantage To someone in a very quake on pc versus quake on dreamcast kind of way
Starting point is 02:23:54 That's the best I can explain this to you This this is a bummer to pet Because now because I just went through an entire thing of I wish I could play it on pc and then people saying you can Then me going I wish I could play it on pc and online and then people saying you can and then being explained How that's a bad way to play it and now i'm like oh bummer If they port it and change things so that you just have hotkeys That'd be great
Starting point is 02:24:25 Right or literal like hit q to super Uh hit q to super or hit space bar to super um You know or there could be like Let's say asd Or like, um, I don't know whatever right you can have like All the cards at the bottom that you can play and then you can have like the slots of one two and three
Starting point is 02:24:46 And then if you can chap like I don't like a one a two a three you know Uh d one d two just to put it in there right away Maybe maybe or you can just click. I don't know what it would be hold on people are saying the blue stacks can set up hotkeys To literally hit hit button to super for mouse for mouse movement No, like just smash like a button on your keyboard to do it Uh
Starting point is 02:25:19 Okay in game though like an icon has to be grabbed and dropped into a space Oh, you can you can macro all sorts of stupid shit if if the thing supports it So so the macro is is emulating mouse movement then yeah, I would assume so okay Yeah, perper. Maybe I have no idea. We I've never seen this before just give me an official port man. Come on Yeah, well, well, that's like like never mind this macro shit Like if an official port happened and just made it so that there was button inputs or keyboard inputs To do these things then you don't have to worry about all of this macro shit. Anyway, you know
Starting point is 02:25:57 um That's that that would be the optimal situation, which is what I'm I'm kind of describing I'm in this weird place where it's like I wanted to like get into and play a card game for forever But I started hardstone at a place where apparently it was very bad And also I don't know how to make decks and then first stone became like laughably actually evil because blizzard And then like oh, what about teppen and I'm like, I don't want to play it on my phone. I don't want to play on my phone I I know
Starting point is 02:26:27 I think you'd enjoy the cap calmness of it, but I would I really would I like cap calm But uh, you do you do have that issue you do have that issue And it's uh, that's a hard one to get over and I think you know, I tried the gwent open The gwent closed blade the closed blader. Thank you closed I got into a million years ago and I was like, oh wow I don't like gwent if I don't have a million more cards than the npc and the npc is stupid Um Does gungho port anything from mobile over to to desktop? I don't know
Starting point is 02:27:09 Uh, I I don't know either. Um to my knowledge. I don't think they do but maybe they have You know, uh, I feel like uh, this is this is making the money for them on the phone So they don't want to really leave the phone You can buy things on a pc Oh Well, yeah, so that's what's up gungho does Top 300 how high do you think you can possibly get realistically? Uh, I think this I think I don't think I'm I personally I didn't expect I'd get this high
Starting point is 02:27:50 um The highest I got to this uh 279 I don't No, I don't think I can hold it. Uh, I don't I definitely don't think I can get I think I can I think I Hard to say man. I've beaten people in top 100 I've watched them rage quit
Starting point is 02:28:15 so I could probably crack top 100 if I get some really good rolls I don't think I could ever crack top 10 because um That requires like Absolute understanding of every card that you're that they play against you And I don't have that right
Starting point is 02:28:39 I'm still running my strategy and I'm vaguely familiar with their strategy in their deck But there's usually a bunch of cards running that I don't recognize in in in a lot of cases And I think the people who are in top 10 know every fucking card inside out I would say so so Um, I also think that uh tell me to check out legends of rune terra What the fuck is that? Is that some kind of card nerd
Starting point is 02:29:08 For games for nerd. Oh god. It's the fucking riot one. Jesus Why is it all god damn it? It's always league and riot every single new game I Swear to god. Yeah, I'm gonna die top the blizzard one because blizzard's assholes and I'm gonna go play the riot one instead You want your desktop? There it is, bro. Yeah fucking Jesus christ Yeah, um, yeah, I think uh I think uh What what what does happen though? What I do do is basically
Starting point is 02:29:54 when I get absolutely Annihilated by something. Yeah, just fucking shit wrecked like what happened Completely lost as to what the fuck, right? And this is how I this is how I think I managed to like step it up is I run the replay of it because there's a replay side. There's a replay match uh section of the game And I screenshot their cards and then I go and I find that description straight up
Starting point is 02:30:25 dude Yeah, yeah Yeah, and and like because like you can pause them what the replay section is pretty awesome though Because like they'll play a bunch of cards that you've never seen for example And then you can pause it tap that card and read its full description of what it does So I'll do that, right? I will literally go and I'll be like, oh motherfucker. This is what you're doing And like I'll be like, okay. I see your game plan now. This is what you did
Starting point is 02:30:50 You've created the deck that is all about this and I'll like in in one fucking case, dude um, I got annihilated by someone who was just like placing these ridiculously strong camis on the board and They just seem to be like like so hard to deal with and um I found out that it was a it was a thing where it was like, yeah put the camis in expensive cards You only get one per game But if you put her in the graveyard and then resurrect her she comes back faster and cheaper And then there's a bug Where um, you can play like a sigma card that is basically like I forgot it's I think it's called malevolence
Starting point is 02:31:30 Where it kills an ally and then refreshes them on the board okay And so you get for example That whatever cami was at you get a refreshed version of it on the board that's been a full health and back to normal But it also puts a copy of cami in the graveyard Okay, so a card that should be one per deck can now be copied By doing by by by killing it and refreshing it and then you can resurrect it three times and you go
Starting point is 02:32:01 Oh fuck you have three god cards instead of one I I think I'm seeing people like go. Ah bugs in in the chat because card game bugs are like a hilarious like idea Yeah But like there used to be a form of bug Expo real life card game, which is the guy you're playing doesn't know what the description means Okay, and we'll argue with you that no, this is how the card really works
Starting point is 02:32:31 Okay, so yeah, yeah, it's it bug is there is I also bug is the wrong word to use there What we're seeing what we're effectively seeing is like a game mechanic that plays out Uh in a bullshit manner that's different from expected because um You would you would expect if you you're allowed to have one of these cards in your deck that killing it and refreshing it would just Grab it from the graveyard as opposed to copy and paste
Starting point is 02:33:01 And then leaving a copy in the graveyard, you know Uh, so it's a little bit of that going on. But anyway, anyway, that is that is what's happening right now In this game and uh, yeah, it's it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun, you know, um So when are you gonna start playing magic? I don't know is nero in it No Is it is it literally just that is it actually like It's it's how it start
Starting point is 02:33:35 It's how it starts it's how it's funny because we make fun of people for that. Yeah, I know i'm it's super shallow totally Super shallow and bullshit but Because it's how it starts it you see the you know the midpoint here Like it might not be possible for you because you play a lot of capcom games But I feel like the middle of the road like the beginning is I like nero And then the middle is like well
Starting point is 02:34:04 Nero's my favorite, but I'll play zero because zero is cool And then the the point after that is I'm playing teppen and I like teppen and I don't recognize a single character in my deck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah And then and then part four is well since I don't know anyone in my deck anyway Right. What about this other card game? I'm currently on phase Fuck you. I love the x hunters. What do you mean? I always love those bad guys those characters from x2 Violin agile and sergay. They're great. What what fuck you? I'm a huge fan You didn't pronounce correctly because you've only said it like twice in your life
Starting point is 02:34:50 We worked in an office with a dude named sash, you know, yeah, I know I've known tons of dude's name surge It's the natural. It's the the way I would pronounce it almost every time Well serges, you know, but and in any case, yeah, fuck you. I like the x hunters. I've always offended the x hunters Hey, there's a v in the deck and you get you get to bring out the animal party. So it's all good It's when it's like when when you're running like your haunting ground deck Is is the moment to start to worry? Like it's nothing but haunting ground and fucking re1 and uh fucking Book characters
Starting point is 02:35:40 That it's time to start worrying. Yeah. Yeah, if I know if I ever put together a deck with not a single card of a character I care about then Gung-ho will have completed its mission You know, I have fully transitioned into a Like I don't even care about the cap comp part anymore But for now I still do and that's the reason why you know So I'm I'm I have been suckered
Starting point is 02:36:06 But yeah, um, I don't see them porting this anytime soon Ah bummer Maybe they will but hey, hey, I'm I'm currently fucking like, you know I'm pretty strong globally at this game. So that feels good I'm currently how many people play teppen Well, I know that you don't start seeing your rank until you get top 10,000 Okay So take that as you would
Starting point is 02:36:40 Because like top 300 is really impressive Unless they're 305 people Yeah, also top 300 In the beginning of the season means nothing. Oh, yeah. No, it's very different Um, which is why the points matter, you know, if you see like I have a I have a I have a I have a I have a point like where it's like, oh, yeah, I have like two or three battles one early on in the thing I'm in the fucking top whatever and it's like no, that doesn't count. That doesn't matter. Yeah, rank reset is lit rank reset is just like
Starting point is 02:37:17 I'm number one in the world for about 28 seconds Yeah, so if I'm at yeah, like 389 Um is one thing But like more importantly, you see that it's like, okay, I got 1841 points. Which means like, okay, no, you are Building up a high point count as opposed to just the ranking because we're late season, you know, so Yeah, at the very least I can say I can say I'm uh, I'm a I feel like I'm a killer I don't think I'm a I'm a winner, but I think I'm a killer right now if you fight me online. There's a good chance
Starting point is 02:37:53 You'll probably lose But there's also a good chance I could lose too if I get some bullshit in my deck Teppen's fun um Anyway, you know, I wish teppen was hearthstone. That's a weird statement hmm but like because I played hearthstone and like they have the fancy cards and teppen has fancy cards and animations and runeterra
Starting point is 02:38:19 Has fancy cards and animations and it's like I don't care about any of the fucking warcraft or league of legends care like who gives But I I'd fucking flip my shit to see rathlos do a fucking spin kick Rathlos is in there he's in there It's not Not that good, but he's there. He's king of the monsters, dude. Yeah, you know Nergigante is more of a problem. Well, yeah, that's that's reality, but you know Uh, anyway, so you can check all that out over at woolly versus on twitch and woolly versus on
Starting point is 02:39:01 well, youtube and um Yeah, since the doc upon is up. We're gonna be cycling between episodes of doom and kotor for the next little bit plus, of course, we've got our get into fighting game stuff going on And Yeah, this week I want to try something a little different I want to do something I've been waiting to do and the timing couldn't be better apparently, right? It's like perfectly lines up. I've been meaning to do an episode of get into fighting games where we just focus on combo practice
Starting point is 02:39:34 and like tightening up You know your existing team choices and like just kind of like labbing, right? So, uh, I wanted to do that with skull girls for a while now and um Also for a while, uh, Sharpie has wanted to play So, uh, we're gonna fucking set it up. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do some we're gonna do a special labbing episode Because I feel really dumb
Starting point is 02:40:00 Where I've still got my my day one team Uh, uh Combosed in my head for these characters, but skull girls has gone through so many incredible fucking changes And iterations that like I need to learn something decent with fucking big band and I need to learn something decent with beowulf Because this is silly, you know, so uh, I I knew something decent with with big band like Three years ago That shit is either gone from my mind or gone from the game for sure. Hmm
Starting point is 02:40:36 Yeah, so, um I think I'm gonna try to make it fun. I'm gonna try to make it An interesting watch, but I'm I'm experimenting with this because it's something that I do want to do Uh, if you find lab streams or if you find people experimenting in the training room of something and and learning combos to be boring or shitty then, um, You know, uh, I get it I'm just giving it a shot. We haven't done anything like it. So I'm gonna see how this goes, you know I'm gonna see how it go
Starting point is 02:41:05 and then I'll see yeah, I'm gonna get some games on the sharpie because, uh She's been fucking pushing the skull girls train Even when the coal Is uh, is is run and dry She'll get in there and push that train forward. So it's good stuff Um, that game has gotten a massive update as of recent um tons of new, uh, uh
Starting point is 02:41:29 Mechanical changes like the the basically the the the the combo breaker update so to speak because You know combo breaker didn't happen, but it wasn't aware that the update was that substantial Oh, yeah, I thought it was just like a like, you know bug fix here there Oh, no, no, no like the the sonic fox is like one detail In of a humongous list of changes that the game went through Um, it has all these little touches to the characters to the to the moves and such New stages in from skull girls mobile. So, uh, so that's there Uh, there's some colors and whatnot. And then of course, yeah
Starting point is 02:42:08 Uh, you got the training stage where uh, sonic fox is now in the background sometimes instead of, um, I forgot the teacher's name So that shit is red. Yeah, so I'm like, yeah, people are mad about that. Well, you know, whatever. Fuck them. I mean at the end of the Like at the end of the day, I'm like, I find it crazy that I exist in the background of this game And the god of it does not That was insane. So this is righting a wrong and we are now on the correct timeline Because it they totally deserve to get in there
Starting point is 02:42:48 Skull girls is such a weird place. It's skull girls in k r than any of this one goofy place where it's like I had I had like written that game off as its time has passed And due to circumstances, which I don't think anyone could have predicted not only is that game It's time not passed, but it's going through like a sess a second renaissance if that makes any sense You I mean in all mode, but the there's the thing Right the kill sage will tell you it never died. Like it's been died But like, you know petered out or whatever you would call it. No, here's what it is. Here's what it is
Starting point is 02:43:26 The mainstream spotlight moved away But nobody went anywhere It stayed the same crowd stayed in place The light was just no longer on them. So then when they made enough noise years later That the fucking spotlight guy had to go wait. What's happening over here? Oh god, you're still here Yeah, yeah Launch party still going
Starting point is 02:43:55 you know, so um I suppose the way I would ask is not asked, but it's like Fighting it how when the fuck the skull girls come out. Oh fucking 2000 release when they had come out it came out 2012 Holy shit, I would have said 13 than I thought Um, so if this was third strike, this would be like a little bit before sf4's release, right? 1999 to 2009 sure. Yeah, so I think about this as like
Starting point is 02:44:29 If I was a young man Who in the year 2007 was like should I get in a third strike? The answer would be not unless you like to play with killers who've been playing for six seven years Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. What's the status of skull girls on that? Are there new kids or is it all colors? No, no, no, no, no, no. There are a lot of new kids, especially right now Uh with the lockdown and search for real decent net play You've got tons of people Taking screenshots going. All right. I'm cracking it open thems fighting herds or skull girls or ki
Starting point is 02:45:14 Tons of new people jumping in and tons of people that played other games for a long time switching over to play this because you can't get a decent fucking game of these other Things going and nobody can go to their meetups anymore So that's what it is. Well, they didn't make any noise the world and evo had to literally be shut down for anyone to care Yes, but also But also and this is where it comes in now Giant events like combo breaker
Starting point is 02:45:43 continued to be massive massive like almost alternate evos That would be all about skull girls and ki and these other games that were still being hugely supported by their scenes so Yes, but If you just because you weren't paying attention to it doesn't mean it wasn't happening
Starting point is 02:46:06 You know what I mean? Like there was an absolutely healthy scene going on uh for quite some time so um All this to say is that right now the the gigantic spotlight Is now he back and it's here, but you've seen scenes like of uh much smaller games kind of like, you know Fight to to to keep to stay healthy and to exist and uh skull girls was not one of those games
Starting point is 02:46:35 Skull girls had an active scene that kept it going across multiple events over the course of all these years So anyway, um But this is information that you want to You know, you'd have to follow over the years to see the to see the journey so to speak if it didn't hit your peripheral It doesn't mean it didn't happen All this to say gonna try something out gonna try to get in and tighten up my my my my shit This uh this thursday with getting to fighting games to see how it works out And yeah fucking awesome sprite
Starting point is 02:47:07 reacts to knock downs and uh In there Desert sonic fox deserves to be in there way more than fucking I do In the background of the fucking The casino so uh good shit. Good shit Anyway, um I forgot or oh, yeah. No, that was that was uh segueing into
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Starting point is 03:04:36 Well, it will be anyway Will be in fact it's not pulled yet the day after we talked about it. It was like, uh, yeah, that's complaining was enough It certainly seemed to be Which uh, is not a common occurrence from what I Have heard usually they just fucking Danoovo it in up for a while Right, so there was a there's a so the the the the core of it as they've said like listen We're probably going to put it back in at some point But we're definitely going to make uh, uh, it possible for you to play all your campaign shit without having to deal with it
Starting point is 03:05:11 Yeah, if you missed last week's podcast, we discussed that the doom pc version added a really shitty anti-cheat system to uh, to to itself that is basically, um fucking hitting your computer at a kernel level and should not be trusted because uh, fuck that and There's a lot of a lot of nobody bought this game Uh with the knowledge that this would happen. So it was super uncool There was a lot of goofiness in the announcement because they also went on to say it's like it was not Bethesda's idea to put it in it was our idea was id's
Starting point is 03:05:45 um, and uh, Danoovo isn't what broke The the linux port that was us. We screwed up something to do with VRAM And all this stuff and some of those claims at least were uh, examined by independent people and discovered that Yeah, no, this is a VRAM problem or you know, whatever but Uh at the end of the day the instant that I saw that and there's even a weird part in it where they're like Some people think that it is because we're not happy with Danoovo, but we're very happy with Danoovo
Starting point is 03:06:18 Danoovo is very effective and it's like And it's just this massive thing of like Even if you're telling me the truth Your publisher and other developers have been so Awful surrounding this kind of DRM garbage that you will never get A fair shake or like so this is on pass one This is this is what sucks is that like, you know the inclination to give
Starting point is 03:06:46 The dev the benefit of the doubt when they're in the hands of a a shady publisher A evil evil publisher Yes More than shady it's pitch black um Is is is like, you know, it it kind of disappears and it gets harder to fucking It's a stomach whenever you you get this type of thing and then they come out and and and you know address it in this way and I mean look man, um
Starting point is 03:07:16 You know it whether like Is it possible that there is a off-screen sniper rifle pointed with a red dot? totally You know there isn't one is implied But if there isn't and you know, I'm you you definitely know that, um How do I put this you definitely know I I know what it's like when you're like This is what it is and then everyone's like, yeah, I don't believe you and you're like, but I'm telling you This is what it is and they're like, yeah, but we have a lot of reasons. It's not really believe you and you go
Starting point is 03:07:49 But it's like yeah guys like you should have known from well before Based on how denouva has gone down in the past with other games uh That like you'd be in for this kind of shit and I honestly I would say that like, um You would have absolved some of the impact if pc players Knew about this upon purchase. Yeah
Starting point is 03:08:19 The secret release later is a fucking horseshit move There's the element which is always funny because I've seen it a hundred times And you're never able to get the truth ever and it is A developer comes out and says Okay, this terrible decision That looks like a publisher decision Is on us is definitely not the publisher
Starting point is 03:08:45 It was totally us and Every time I see that I'm like, why even bother saying it? No one will ever believe you because you're not allowed to say the opposite Because the publisher will bring the hammer down on whoever the fuck is stupid enough to say it out loud if it is true Right, so even if it is real the statement's pointless known. No one will ever believe you and they shouldn't Well, I mean if it ever comes down to it the what the point is that the story was straightened out quote unquote And for future reference if it ever comes up, it's like well, no, they came out and they said it
Starting point is 03:09:21 That was them it wasn't us, you know, so That's what it was The story has been straightened out That's the point. That's the point of it. It's it's for the record literally that that anchor man gift Of uh, well fair. I'll smoke in that cigarette and just go and I don't believe you
Starting point is 03:09:41 Is is the most Like clearly applicable statements to almost anything about any of this shit ever Um, the reason why it's Part of the reason why it's hard to believe is because all you have to do is look at the previous game they made Yeah And then look at this The difference between that thing and this thing and the bloke and let's look at the other games that that publisher oversees So there is a precedent here, but
Starting point is 03:10:15 If we take it at face value and say okay, so this was it and not Bethesda then Like why would you make such a dumb decision? I you know, like how How did the same people who made such a great great game That ran really well Also Also make this decision Hmm, I mean it's not possible people make stupid decisions all the time Um, there was a thing this this week with uh, I don't know if you probably on uh on the docket at all
Starting point is 03:10:54 Because it wouldn't go through your radar and it barely went through mine But the a terraria patch that came out that had some stupid bullshit in it No didn't catch that so long and short of it is that one developer on the terraria patch on the terraria team Decided to sneak in a massive change to the way drop rates work Because he didn't like that people were using the wrong items in the wrong areas of the game And made it so that if you weren't using the right torches in the right areas Nothing would drop for you because he was like I put all these torches in the game people are going to use them goddamn it Does sneak in imply that this was done without the approval of the rest of the team?
Starting point is 03:11:39 Nobody knew and it was rolled back within like 18 hours Wow Jesus christ dude It was actually actually like one guy Yeah, it's so what it's the lead developer it's still one guy Wow And as people are pointing out it was not even in the patch notes that that is snuck in Um one guy can do a lot of damage
Starting point is 03:12:12 yeah And I'll just point out terraria has been out for like a decade now So and this is like it's it's ridiculous, but yeah people make stupid decisions even on their own babies One guy can put Creepy fart fetishes and children's cartoons all right Or literally I have no idea what you're talking about, but sure or self insert Uh
Starting point is 03:12:38 Himself to date a power puff girl Oh, there it is There it is You know It's not great it's not great out there these streets streets are dangerous man These streets are dangerous Oh, wow speaking of people making stupid decisions with their babies I literally just scrolled something passed on twitter in which a famous couple who named their baby some stupid stupid horseshit
Starting point is 03:13:11 Literally updated the baby's name to be slightly dumber So yeah people make stupid decisions all the fucking time De Nouveau out Soon eventually Um And soon in the dlc Doom guy will kill a cool demon and the demon will start to fart in his face and doom guy will be like Uh
Starting point is 03:13:50 Speaking of killing demons did you see The photo of gun priest versus the unbaptized Yes, I did I'm on board with it I've discussed The holy water firefighters before We can we can get into this world where a priest loads up a
Starting point is 03:14:17 Literal water gun with holy water and squirts the baby from six feet away We were on this like three four years ago. I feel like yeah super ahead of the curve Super ahead of the curve Did you know that if you're a good catholic the way that baptism works That if you fucking load up a super soaker with baptism water and spray random people That counts as them being baptized and they're catholic forever now That shit's crazy. Fuck. Yeah Willingly or unwillingly
Starting point is 03:14:51 Again, if we could make it rain, you know, if you can hit up one of those, uh Firefighting cloud seeders or whatever. Yeah. Yeah one of the or one of those firefighting helicopters You know and just as long as the source is blessed Everything it's fucking saved Catholicism might be the only religion I can think of that you can literally Turn to someone and touch them and go you're my religion now. No too bad Or I kill you, you know, no take backsies. Nope. Don't take backsies. Of course not. Of course not. Yeah. No, no, no I'm I'm like I've gotten into the like I'm a fan of of of any time
Starting point is 03:15:33 There's these little moments of like Technicality that you can get through and get past anytime you can like bargain With a deity, you know for what counts and what doesn't count um, so whether we're talking about the uh, the the The rope that covers Areas of new york so that they're considered indoors so that uh, you don't break the shabbat or whether we're talking about the um The indulgences
Starting point is 03:16:03 Oh indulgences are so good that one may purchase to cover future sins That's the greatest racket ever man. Uh, dude. It's strong. It's a strong hustle um, it was maximum maximum Maximum scam maximum hustle at the same time It broke both bars. Oh, it's good. It's good Um Anyway and completely unrelated news Uh, you guys there's a kickstarter going around for uh, vernal edge a character action pixel art platformer
Starting point is 03:16:45 You guys can check this out If it's a vernal edge by matthew martinez if it suits your fancy you got some Uh style meters going on. There's a demo available right now. It's currently at uh 30 or 29 k canadian out of 69 Uh k canadian asked with 46 backers in 23 days to go. Oh, wow. It's like it looks like dishwasher But with an art style that isn't complete total garbage
Starting point is 03:17:15 So, uh, there is uh, there's style meters um And uh, yeah, there's some some combo videos have been posted of some people doing some stylish stuff in this So, uh, give it a give it a give it a peep give it a peep. See what you think scroll through it There's some stuff So, uh, yeah, that's vernal edge on kickstarter Um, and the word character action is in fact in the descriptor looks good Cool. That's a good word
Starting point is 03:17:47 cool cool Now um On the discussion of character action things Bayonetta 3 has not been canceled Even though it has been, uh 900 days
Starting point is 03:18:06 Since 900 days since news And the news was a cg trailer that was nothing Well, they announced it exists You know like How early is too early? Okay, obviously that trailer was released too early That's fairly clear However
Starting point is 03:18:31 I think it's really weak ass shit For uh them to be silent on something for three years And the general assumption Is that the game is canceled and all they have is like one of the devs. I think it was kimia Going it's totally not canceled dumbasses It's like give people a fucking screenshot, man The fact that that's not associated with like a single detail whatsoever Like I don't like okay, it's not canceled, but I also don't believe that it won't eventually be canceled
Starting point is 03:19:13 Yeah, we've talked about stuff like this in the past and I I tend to disagree with you guys there Like I'm not the kind of person where like There's a there's a countdown and it's like You know At a certain point Like I guess it depends, but it's like after a certain amount of time of silence and you just go. Yeah, that doesn't exist anymore Um, and I kind of I'm just like well what what like why wouldn't you just say? Oh, yeah, we're not doing that anymore or like
Starting point is 03:19:45 If there's no symbol or any sign of like, you know the fucking Project dissolving you see staffers leaving There's usually these little things that people pay attention to where you'd see like oh wait what that person who was heading up This game is no longer there then you can go. Oh, okay. We have some bad science here This looks like it's not good But if there's literally just like nothing going on then I'm just like, yeah I mean there's probably just having a light at it with nothing to show the way that I usually interpret it that Is that it's not canceled yet
Starting point is 03:20:13 But it will be Because it's stuck in dev hell What are you? Yeah, so dev hell is definitely a clean assumption I would say whenever you hear a lot of silence for a A pretty long period of time compared to normal games um You can definitely assume that like, you know, it's like can be a said things are going fine So he came out and said like yeah games will be worked on. It's fine. You know, yeah, I can say all sorts of shit
Starting point is 03:20:36 Yeah But you know the uh, I think it's I think when you see a long time without anything It's it's a reasonable assumption that you're like, ooh They must have hit a speed bump restarted somewhere or something else happened that slowed things down The metro guys at least had the decency to be like, yeah, we had to restart dev Or Right and this is like the other way things uh, the other way things slowed down is Things are fine. There are no problems
Starting point is 03:21:04 But the team had size had to change due to other projects You know, there are times when it's like, yeah, we had to pull some people off to work on something else that needed Urgent attention, you know, and it's like, you know, at no point did like this then you know Hit a problem, but it certainly slows down as a result of you know, it losing some horsepower. So It could be that it could be, you know, like like platinum working on multiple things and just pulling people off It could just be one of those like, uh, skeleton staff situations, but You know, for whatever it's worth
Starting point is 03:21:40 Hideki camea says baos 3 is happening and it's fine I'm sure they are working hard on it But it the the fact that they have not shown off a single thing at all Even a little makes me think that the game is in a fucked up state I think, um, changing all over I think the general Like industry sort of not into an industry, but I guess more like the consumer time period
Starting point is 03:22:10 of like What what's going on is about three years Yeah Um, I think one of the funny examples of this In terms of me being wrong Is that back when I still listen to the giant bond cast there was an entire saga In which people were like, yeah fortnite got canceled Because fortnite got announced as that building game that was just like co-op and it was like fucking dead to the world for like four years
Starting point is 03:22:43 It was it was fucking gone and they had people writing into their podcast going like dude I'm in the beta the thing Totally exists They're just keeping it quiet, etc Bro, but there was nothing there was absolutely nothing that was coming out Titan man like
Starting point is 03:23:03 blizzard and project titan was just one of the most dark things ever done in the entire history of video games and To the degree that like even what we what came out of that is still not titan Yeah, titan is what what taught me titan was the big one that taught me that's like Don't trust the big secret game That everyone says is oh, it's so Titan was so tight also me off, dude
Starting point is 03:23:35 I had people that would tell me anything And I would say titan and I knew they knew something about titan and they would look at me. I don't know what you're talking about What's titan see the other thing about that is video card Yeah, well one is you can't trust like the random shit, right because random shit fucking It's not verified And you can get caught up in a fucking wave of expectation that turns out to be a letdown when it never was confirmed to begin with But then the other thing is There's two lessons one. That's your first lesson from titan and then the second lesson you should get from titan is
Starting point is 03:24:13 uh, some companies You know will Operate by announcing things and saying yeah, we're working on this and then they go. Yeah, we're out And we got nothing to say until it's done So okay, so i'm seeing people are like what the fuck are they talking about what's titan titan is what overwatch became Uh, so I knew in the day and I mean way back. I want to say like 2010 or some shit probably earlier
Starting point is 03:24:40 Some blizzard internal documentation leaked out which included a slide which is we're planning on this wow expansion We're planning on this star craft expansion But all hands on deck for the biggest game we've ever made Titan and it had a projected release date and It then became confirmed that titan did exist. It was a real thing. It wasn't just off the slide It's gonna be world of starcraft. So what the fuck is titan? What is it?
Starting point is 03:25:08 It's it and it and it and the one piece of information that came out was that titan was going to be the mmo sequel In spirit to world of warcraft which would have made it the biggest game ever Yeah, at the time as wow was in its stride. Yeah, just killing it So what was it damn some people might have been not alive It was it was a lot of things. Yeah, and then they took the shooter element And split it off and turned it into overwatch Which is why the overwatch like heroes story and all that is such a fucking mess Because it's literally one gameplay mode out of the giant mmo
Starting point is 03:25:51 And um And there was a uh Yeah, there was that and then there was a follow-up story that was kind of like Uh overwatch exactly overwatch is taking the original titan idea that was going to have a whole like superhero like alternate life kind of thing going on and It just really paired it down to we're gonna make A team-based hero shooter, you know, and and it simplified a massive world that was Crazy detailed and stuff, but but what it showed, you know, obviously it was that like yeah, um
Starting point is 03:26:26 sometimes some projects just You catch wind of it Right and if especially if it's like the wind you catch is a leak as opposed to an official announcement Yeah, then you're on an artificial clock and then you have to remember that uh Then you get stuff that is
Starting point is 03:26:47 So atlas is the worst at this by far so like smt-5 was announced at the same time as uh band at three And alice hasn't even come out and confronted. I don't think they have literally ever said a single thing about that game ever Yeah, about smt-5. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, I don't know if you remember what the original trailer for smt cross fire emblem was Yeah, it was flying artwork it was flying artwork and
Starting point is 03:27:19 some dank music and they Definitely did not imply that it would be a fucking idol music game thing a they Spiritual fusion of the that that goes in a completely different direction now. Yeah, um, but here's the other bit now, right? Obviously for talking about all that 2012 You know what was announced in 2012 Cyberpunk
Starting point is 03:27:50 That's wow. Yeah So cd proyacht doing things like that and just taking its time You know here's the thing and then and then eventually they got to a point of like Hey, now we can show it to people and talk about it Which has been the last couple years, but like 2012 was when that was announced priak I remember they announced that and then they said dude, we're not even done with witcher 3 yet This thing hasn't even started dev. It's very far away and the overall
Starting point is 03:28:20 Reception was then why are you talking about it? Yeah Then what shut up? so it you know if if if dev decides Like announced projects so that people know what is happening, but shut the fuck up until you got something to show I don't disagree with that philosophy. Um You do have to play a game of like You know
Starting point is 03:28:50 Expectations I suppose with with with people that are like huge fans that are going to be following And listening to ear to the ground for any possible noise about something like bayonetta You know and and obviously sometimes announcing things and being like yo, here it is. It's ready. It's super hot You know, maybe there's behind the scenes things were like there was like Hey, we want to make sure we can secure funding or whatever the fuck so You know, you got to let people know in advance or investors know that hey, this project is being worked on all kinds of shit there but Yeah, yeah, I'd say about three years is is is the amount of time that like
Starting point is 03:29:28 Fans tend to give a thing of silent with silence before it's like hey, what the fuck like, you know So, you know, it's a little earlier But it gets it gets more of a pass Um, we're coming up on the one-year anniversary Of elton rain being announced. Hmm Um Alongside Shit all
Starting point is 03:29:52 Yeah, like absolutely shit all bro beyond good and evil too, you know, and Yeah, I know but and but elv every one's giving elton ring a pass And so am I because I think we're in that weird intergenerational thing where it's like, I think it's to be assumed that that is a next gen title Hmm also grim Also grim is working on it So, uh, oh, yeah metroid prime 4. That's true. Hey, you know, they they totally restarted development of that half way through and told people which was nuts if
Starting point is 03:30:27 Announcing a game is in development was just for the potential consumers to get excited for product then um I think We would see a much different Approach we'd see things that are a we'd see things resemble the movie industry a little bit more Which is like, you know, you hear whispers about a project in early stages, but you never really get that hard confirmation
Starting point is 03:30:54 and then like um, it starts It starts being announced and it starts really rolling when like the marketing engine is is like gearing up for launch. Um I think that like The fact that you have other ties and you have production costs and investors to deal with Who need to know that like hey your company is Worth keeping my money in and I want my returns and what are you doing nintendo and all that fucking horseshit?
Starting point is 03:31:19 We heard with with the uh, the old nintendo investor meetings Means that like sometimes you're gonna catch announcements for things That are weirdly aimed at them and not necessarily You So you got to keep that shit in mind as well But yeah, I'm struggling against the urge to say something super crazy Like like every time we talk about this it makes it like Because like my internal mind wants to be like why did you lie to me? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Starting point is 03:32:00 That's ridiculous. No, no, no Like why are you stealing money from me? I'm like, I can't even just just like when you announce a game Like they should put a clock on the wall of the studio And when it hits 365 days with no news The government should come in and cancel the game Okay, yeah, okay, and be like you've you've wasted your you shouldn't have announced it We're now burning all your files because that's your person to start over. That's your personal tolerance for it That's that's how it's gotta go. You get one year
Starting point is 03:32:38 Yeah, so don't you dare tell me about it On the 364th day you must show one screenshot. Don't you dare tell me about it until Yeah Dude, I don't think anything is more like just naturally gratifying and makes me want to buy a game more Then hearing about it and seeing that it's cool and knowing that I can literally buy it Right away a month like either that day or within a couple weeks it it perspective
Starting point is 03:33:14 Or a rather perception is a is a really magical thing. We talk about this every time You know about how it's like it really is just like fucking crazy how Um, someone can feel positively about something or negatively about something Just based on when they found out the thing existed compared to when they get to touch it So I think the ultimate and I remember I remember Matt and I like screaming about this for like two years on the podcast Was like the doom event Where they showed off doom 26 they showed off doom 2016 and it looked bad Uh, and that was hilarious because prior to that they had shown that gameplay off to quake con
Starting point is 03:33:59 I think it was something but it was No one it was hidden. Yeah, I remember that and and they were straight up coming out and being like You are not allowed to look at it. No, you should have gone to quake con And it was like this is the worst first impression I could have of your game Because instead of going oh wow all the people at quake con said it was so cool. Oh gee. Oh wow Right instead. I got oh man. This thing must suck ass Which is not for you. It's not funny because the game is awesome Yeah
Starting point is 03:34:38 But it wasn't for you. You weren't there Yeah, so shit was like Like what a terrible first impression Yeah Um in the meantime like Ninjala's like yo, hey check it out. It's ninjala. I'm like, well, what's that? Oh shit and try it out next month I'm like fuck down. Let's do it. You know
Starting point is 03:35:05 Warframe is currently and has been for about a year and a half in a state of being fucked up And they're starting to turn it around But it's really nice that every week They do a show and they're like, okay, we're working on this thing It's a little fucked up and they'll show you like the fucking Busted beta version of the thing they're working on And they'll talk to you about what it's supposed to be Yeah, that's cool. That's appreciated
Starting point is 03:35:37 I'm Perhaps I'm just lucky that this is like my way of going about it, but it's like I I Like I just it I I'm excited for things that I know are coming but I also Kind of have a they sit in another non realm A non-reality realm of like well, this doesn't exist yet. It's not here
Starting point is 03:36:03 so I only Can put so much towards that in terms of thought and energy and excitement even Because once it's out and it's here, then I'm like well now it's in my hands and I'm touching it but You know, this means that when I hear about bayo 3, I'm like cool. I would love another bayonetta game And then I continue living my life And when that bayo game comes I'm gonna have a great time
Starting point is 03:36:27 I'm gonna be excited that it's here But I definitely am not gonna have an internal clock going down or it's gonna like Fucking create a negative for me because I'm I'm just like well Yeah, I'd love more bayonetta if I'm not playing bayonetta. I'd love more of another thing that I love It's very slowly Moved over to I mean, I'm not there yet But my main thing is like I mean the story is kimia goes on twitter and tells you that bayonetta 3 is definitely not cancelled and all I can think of is
Starting point is 03:36:58 If that's all you're gonna say then I don't want to hear anything from you at all Right if you're gonna if you're gonna tell me that the game isn't cancelled so that you Make want me to think that it's not then show me anything. Yeah If he's getting it every day for the last three years, I can understand where the urge to say hey, it's it's totally I can understand why he would answer that way As you know, someone who gets asked things constantly and has you know, like it's like hey, let's try to Nip this question in the bud so that I can make it go away for a while The current reality I get I think of bayonetta 3 is that I've been
Starting point is 03:37:36 I've been talking to people and apparently there is a new engine That platinum is working on that is a better engine that will hopefully port to pc a little better because holy shit They're not good at it um And that bayo's alongside that which is what's holding it up if that was the case. Hey platinum. Why don't you be like Hey, we're working on a new engine and do like a one of those videos It's like hey, this is going to be the new platinum engine doesn't look shiny and not have anything from bayo in it Right just be like oh working on more than you thought isn't that nice
Starting point is 03:38:13 Yeah, yeah, uh, if that's the new thing that's for their unique ip as well for their, um Their fucking superhero ultra man thing and yeah, you know, it could be certainly There are tons of infinite There are infinite unknown reasons to explain why the timeline has worked out such That this is the case I think the one for maximum excitement would have been one where Right now people are still asking for a bayo 3, but there's no word about it
Starting point is 03:38:48 But then it would have been a frustrating like well, what the fuck give us more What are we gonna do, you know, so there's that side of the coin I think I think they might be holding it off because um When they show off bayo 3 They need to have 10 cents approval to get you know The trailer out that shows that bayo will also be joined by misfortune and jinx and anri in bayo 3 the league of of
Starting point is 03:39:14 witches Legends get get will it witch it get bullet witch in there to bring her back. Yeah. Hey, um, I uh Yeah, I feel as if well that yeah, so that I mean listen, let's we might as well segue right there because Thank you. The next part of the story is uh that 10 cent has been busy And uh currently they are Working with platinum games. We talked about that a little bit a while ago. So the other thing kid. Mia had to say was Hey, here's our partnership with 10 cent in a nutshell
Starting point is 03:39:55 10 cent says we're going to help you with funds as per the contract We will have no influence on the business So use it freely to make a good platinum ip game platinum game says okay 10 cent says in return you if you do make a good game and you want to make a mobile game for it Please prioritize us for its licensing platinum game says okay That seems fine so far even though I don't believe parts of it Um, I mean I would assume there's also the cut that you get for putting what I mean is that you can say Clearly we promise not to influence you and then you sign the contract and the guy starts winking at you and nudging you in the ribs
Starting point is 03:40:34 well I mean there's a difference between that and um The south park episode banned in china where Stands writing and like the general's leaning over his shoulder And fucking chedding his lyrics as he goes. So I you know, there's there's two ways to play this um again I listen
Starting point is 03:41:03 Every story we've told so far today on the news I'm not a fan of This is the story. This is what the developer says I don't believe you I fucking hate that. I know I it would be a lot easier if people in the business of business didn't lie Constantly, I hear you. I hear you. I just I'm not as as oh it sucks I'm I'm a lot more inclined. You know, I know that this is the the Yeah, dumb knife woolly, but it's like I've also been on the inside of the industry
Starting point is 03:41:40 So like, you know, I'm not coming from out of nowhere. I can definitely tell you that there's a lot of times when um There there are times when yeah, people will lie constantly boldface And just not bat an eye at it and there's other times when You know, they'll be like, no, this is what happened and then someone's like, I don't believe you and you're like Well, I don't know what else to say to you if you don't believe what I just told you but I just told you what happened The problem is that like these companies are being viewed in terms of honesty or whatever as individuals and for individuals Woolly if you were to say become woolly the liar and give me a big big important lie once
Starting point is 03:42:18 I'm never going to trust you again right, so When a company and I mean literally every company loves to do big lies You can't trust any of them ever ever literally ever well, well, you see that's an over exaggeration to make the point but What I was going to say is that What you have at all times is your track record You know all you got in this life is your word and your balls
Starting point is 03:42:49 Well in this case your balls is your track record yeah, so this is what we can make a guesstimation based on And then you can also operate with like um Okay, if let's say it's like okay like like it's the it's the benefit of the doubt attitude where it's just like I have my doubts, but let's pretend that this is what it is
Starting point is 03:43:14 Let's see if the future um Like proves what you're saying to be true Or let's see if we're given more reasons To think example capcom's a good untrustworthy that where capcom had a period of Constantly fucking up and lying like crazy particularly around the cross-tech and shit um And then they had to spend multiple years totally nailing it to earn any good will back
Starting point is 03:43:44 And they did hmm meanwhile Bethesda Fucking Bethesda Yeah, or kanami christ Right Yeah I mean look in jesus When you know, I mean I It sounds like kamea is just breaking it down as like frustrated and it's it sounds like he's bringing tired energy to his explanations
Starting point is 03:44:12 It does sound like that as opposed to bringing like Um massage the truth Masha's the situation to sound nicer energy You know, um is very much a stop asking me about this shit. This is what it is fuck off kind of energy which he consistently displays elsewhere um So You know, uh, but but yeah, that's all it just it just occurred to me
Starting point is 03:44:36 I'm just like yeah every fucking story so far. I'm just like, okay This is what it says and then here comes the like they're a lot like To quote some guy in some song that I don't know Why you always lie in Why I can tell you're lying because when you're replying you stutter stutter stutter stutter Don't stutter Hey 10 cent had other things going on
Starting point is 03:45:11 So you know what the funniest thing is When you were talking earlier about like the news and you were like, I hate how everything I thought you were gonna say Technically has 10 cents fingers in it. Yeah, but instead you had a different direction. I did but we're not done Here we go Marvelous enters into capital business alliance with 10 cent subsidiary In alliance with image frame investment limited a wholly owned subsidiary of chinese conglomerate 10 cent holdings image frame Image frame investment would spell about 7 billion yen to buy a 20 stake in the company
Starting point is 03:45:53 And marvelous will use the funding to develop its existing intellectual property such as a story of seasons into stronger brands As well as to launch new properties such as daemon x machina at a global level over the next three years They are spreading out and getting involved in everything that will have them And 10 cents genius And it's not because they're just they ain't stupid standing and shit, right? Mm-hmm
Starting point is 03:46:31 The chinese market for a while was seen as like a gold rush Right. Mm-hmm And 10 cent got really big off the explosion of like the chinese middle class and the gold rush in terms of online gaming Well the embracing of of uh capitalist communism and right exactly the expanding however, just like reta not retail just like um What's the land? Right uh, what happens well companies and individuals with tons of money in a
Starting point is 03:47:04 country where that money can be fluid and fucked with By the government you gotta get that money out So you end up with weird shit like uh, you know like half of all condos in vancouver are bought by people who just want to get money out of china Just get it out. Yeah Right, right. Um, and also 10 cent is Either state operated or partially owned or it's it's it's it's it's ccp. It's like huawei. It's like it's ccp, right? Yeah so You get in the situation where it's like well 10 cent for money wise like just straight up. Hey, let's make some dollars
Starting point is 03:47:43 You can't rely on the chinese gaming industry because i mean shit take a look at uh Christ a couple weeks ago. I don't think we even talked about it Where china after the the hong kong shit was like, you know what? No talking online in video games nah Stop that just shut the fuck up. Yeah. Yeah, right? Yeah, and then they've had moments where like certain Certain games or companies or genres or whatever just go not not allowed anymore Not allowed just shut up
Starting point is 03:48:18 Right, that's a terrible thing to operate a business on Right when they could just go nah You're not doing that anymore, and you're like really they're like not you're not so i mean that that money out That umbrella momentum got got fucking combo broken by a pandemic you know, so
Starting point is 03:48:42 China's like fucking shadow counter so Hey, how about we invest in countries in which combo sorry we invest in companies that are in countries that Their government won't shut down their businesses well so uh marvellous is now
Starting point is 03:49:03 Uh in there and i was going to say You know or i would have said i was like hey Seems like as you said ten cents not dumb And they're getting their fingers in all the pies And they are getting heavily involved with all of these japanese companies To to to get a cut of whatever they're doing right Japan's got a big games business. Why don't we get a cut of their business? And it's like wow they're getting involved and they're they're they're
Starting point is 03:49:33 Mixing it up with all these japanese games companies and that's about all they're doing But wait hey also involved but wait There's more s and s and k is bought by Uh a different company But yeah, but it's a chinese company that that yes um Because the thing is tencent also has subsidiaries that like have multiple names. So sometimes you have to you have to track it back But wait, there's more
Starting point is 03:50:04 System shock three dot com Now owned by tencent According to Uh vgc a web domain ownership switch From other side entertainment the developer Has now switched over To tencent So okay system shock three and system shock four dot com
Starting point is 03:50:34 Are owned By tencent What does that mean? But well They got you what willy they got the web site long. I don't know how long you've been following this shit but System shock and the question of who the fuck owned system shock. Yeah has been like the dumbest series of questions and answers for decades
Starting point is 03:51:03 It's Well like at one point it it came out when gog was trying to re-release the game on fucking uh On gog. It's like. Oh, yeah some british insurance Capital like some venture capitalist asshole. They picked it up when the old company fell apart and they just Grabbed it. It was like everything's fucking so stupid Whatever the shock is so stupid. Well, whatever the case may be with this website I severely doubt that tencent was just squatting and then said, oh, we'll grab it. They're not using it
Starting point is 03:51:44 Take that domain From the devs Uh Ten cents in there man They're about to Yeah, they're about to fucking take a piece of the pie man on all continents at this rate You know there's a there's a calypso song that goes sent five sent ten sent dollar So
Starting point is 03:52:20 Was that what it was about? Yeah, and then you thrust your hips out in a different direction For each lyric So it'd be like sent five sent ten sent dollar And then you get to the chorus and it'd be like dollar dollar dollar dollar, and then you're like doing the big air hump So does this mean show dan will show up in league of legends Because that would be cool Um and all your other favorite, um
Starting point is 03:52:53 Tencent properties Man, no like you can't get an investor becoming The six degrees of separation that bridges the universes Like you can definitely expect to see You know fucking fit crossovers in like fate Grand order and and little promotional bits here and there. Oh bayonetta and dante both showed up in uh, whatever the fuck
Starting point is 03:53:24 but Ah To go full on smash brothers with it Well one they own all of it, which is about a couple weeks from now Yeah, just do it You know The rock just told the arochi to fuck off. I I don't know what kind of yeah Yeah, never mind shingo is now canonically trained how to use the power of flames underneath john sena never mind
Starting point is 03:53:58 Literally, I take it all back The undertakers music plays and scares uh Whoever the fuck it was athena And and and and terry You know like yeah, fuck it never mind never mind Changa changin choy and kim's team. That's it. I just like It it yeah
Starting point is 03:54:25 The rock told the arochi to fuck off Of course He doesn't care what his name is. Of course It's all coming together Um Any other 10 cent news no we can move off we can move off of it for now We can talk about um games that you know take a long time to develop By addressing the announcement that
Starting point is 03:55:10 Sega will be putting sonic the hedgehog games into longer dev cycles For quality reasons it is astonishing that we're hearing about this now and not 13 and a half years ago So Astonishing the last time I heard an announcement like this It was when the king of fighters Said you know what we're not doing this annual thing anymore We're gonna start making them good games that come out when they're ready And then they became really good games that came out when they were ready
Starting point is 03:55:55 You know give or take one Last last I heard that was ubisoft with uh the assassin's There's another one. It was associated by a enormous jumping quality We had to hold our logs in for greater log length. Wow. Uh, right. I'm I'm I'm I'm kind of astonished that like Yeah, after all of this time After all of these fucking absolute stinkers That you would even bother this this late
Starting point is 03:56:36 And not just like what like why like why even bother saying that? Yeah, it's it's as opposed to just just making the good games and then going hey look we did some good games now It's it's especially Baffling because like, you know what a way better announcement would have been It would have been like hey, we the sonic mania too We've actually decided to have shorter dev cycles And uh fire everyone at sega involved in team sonic and just give it to christian whitehead and the sonic mania team Oh, yeah, okay. There you go. There you go. Yeah forever
Starting point is 03:57:11 Yeah um it's it's it's You know, it's it's like one of those things. It's like nice to know but Like you're doing this on the fucking You know 30th or 40th attempt at this point
Starting point is 03:57:31 and uh I don't know what it means to be a sonic fad at this point in life I'm a sonic fan. Are you are you sure? Yeah, there's some really good sonic games. It's just the like they're like Actual three or four or five bad sonic games per good one. It doesn't sound like you're sure Maybe six bad ones per good one Sonic
Starting point is 03:58:12 Two three knuckles mania Maybe cd probably cd. I just haven't played it spin balls. All right Uh I'm just gonna you're just gonna you're just gonna drop trial and shit on rush like that But rush is all right. Yeah Does rush have a sequel? There was a rush too I didn't hear about it, but I assume that one was all right
Starting point is 03:58:45 Wasn't there? Yeah Mean being machines pretty okay Generations is by far the best of all of the 3d ones Sonic is suffering But man, there are some bad ones and when they're bad they're fucking bad, dude Sonic is suffering To be a sonic fan is suffering
Starting point is 03:59:15 Sonic the hedgehog is suffering And uh Yeah, I I don't Really know what to make of this kind of announcement except To say you should probably just put your head down and make the next good game And then put it out and then people will go good And then make some money and then you make the next one because that's how this go Or alternatively you can
Starting point is 03:59:53 Just Give it to the fans Who are still making Incredible projects and games amongst themselves. Hey, well, what's the name of that sonic game that you played? Uh robo blast 2 okay, so of the of the sonic fan games
Starting point is 04:00:16 That I have personally encountered Two are good I have seen two That's a 100 hit rate You know what the best sonic fan game is? What's that mania? Yeah, that was the second one Oh sonic dreams collection as well. Yes, so that's three for three. That's three for three
Starting point is 04:00:43 Give it to them and sonic dreams is like Unrecognizable in terms of like sonic gameplay and it's still great Um This is the case when back in the day every year there used to be a new sonic game and as a result of that there are a number of times because That because of the rushed production schedule the quality of the games wouldn't quite Be where they needed to be so a couple of years ago. We actually said hey, that's going to change We're going to put time into things that's going to mean you have to wait longer between trailers and announcements and stuff
Starting point is 04:01:22 And we know that's kind of annoying sometimes Really excited for what's to come but we can't say anything so thank you for being patient as soon as we have news to share with you We'll share it with you Sock oh six had two years of dev time So So I assume they mean sonic games will now have three years of dev time So sonic should have been doing what bayo 3 is doing and bayo 3 should have been doing what sonic is doing Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 04:01:57 Holy shit. I'm on the wiki for sonic 06 In 2010 sega d listed sonic the hedgehog from retailers Following its decision to remove all sonic games with below average metacritic scores to increase the value of the brand Its failure led to a rethinking of the series direction Yeah, that worked out great Also people's memories can't be delisted dumb Sonic is suffering
Starting point is 04:02:36 You can't you can't tear the memory of sonic 06 out of people's minds suffering is sonic That's so stupid. Oh my god I That's insane you can't undo sonic trying to bang that human girl. What's her name at least? What a oh boy, um Um All right, you have two paths to choose every sonic on a every sonic game from now on Canonically continues the trajectory set by sonic 06
Starting point is 04:03:25 Okay, okay like story wise or like yes okay or every sonic game is from now on classic style 2d
Starting point is 04:03:40 But it runs on the sonic 4 engine with the same jump Can I get an option c commit suicide no All right. Well I mean, you know, we're both of these i'm gonna go with 06 Both of these forks end in your untimely death, but I would rather see the I would rather see the ugliest most horrific monster in the world Rather than a slightly less horrible monster puppeting the skin of a loved one No shin megami tense for you. No, okay
Starting point is 04:04:30 The correct choice was death Well, I tried that and you didn't let me it was not allowed. That's correct The safety net was deployed From the top of the fox con building and you're now being shoveled back Into your fucking Damn it into your decision. Damn it um Yeah
Starting point is 04:04:54 Because if they went like but also if they went like hard trash Like that'd be fun in its own way. Well, yeah, but would they ever have the you know the awareness? And the balls to tank the like what if like what as hard as possible gave birth to like a Hedgehog human homunculus I'm shocked that an attempt to make a game in the movie world was not capitalized upon Astonishing isn't it? After didn't didn't even try after sonic boom
Starting point is 04:05:32 came and Existed in both game and and show form. It's crazy that they didn't even try didn't even try And the movie was good like Like it's not the best movie in the world, but like yeah, so that's a good fun movie They could have totally had a really good movie tie-in So then in the in the future when you do the future version of forces
Starting point is 04:06:00 where you basically do You do the the the forever red of sonics and you can get boom movie adventure and fat all together You can get idw comic And archie comic You can get the pixel sonic from uh, super mario brosie all of them
Starting point is 04:06:25 Everybody all the warriors And then that really god damn it play god damn it And then that really creepy photoshopped plague of gripes coming in To say that at least you have to feed our six hedgehog babies with your multiple teats three have already died Hey, where do you fall on the sonic blinking preference? What do you mean? Do you want the eyebrow shape to flatten? Do you want the eye shape to flatten or do you want there to be a secret flesh lid?
Starting point is 04:07:05 That comes in. I'm fine with the internal lid the internal lid Yeah I I used to be um not On board with that and now that I've had a cat for multiple years and have discovered that cats have an internal eyelid I'm it's like oh, okay The the mania animations sold me on the uh The the full shape
Starting point is 04:07:30 The um the the eye the eye shape flattening that everything's just be like mania. I'm I'm just gonna listen to that Because that's good Isn't it isn't it wild that like The design of the character is such that like we have to discuss The fucking mono eye and the weirdness of how this creature even exists Because it only was meant to be seen from one angle Don't worry about it. It's like when Homer turned his head to look at you and you're like, uh, Okay, I guess that's how that looks now
Starting point is 04:08:07 Oh, yeah, straight on straight on simpsons characters. God damn awful never meant to be seen never meant to be seen But they had to do it Don't want to do it Don't like it Okay, um Rumor rumor rumor mill churn Capcom reportedly read working on code Veronica It's unconfirmed it's a rumor take it with a grain of salt
Starting point is 04:08:46 Says it probably won't be arriving anytime soon, but they might be going that way Okay Who knows My people shit My not people. I'm gonna really carefully say that If that were to happen, I would be legitimately really surprised Okay, we'll leave it there as the other Capcom rumor mills such as four or eight. I was not surprised at all
Starting point is 04:09:15 Hmm Yeah We are um Yeah, we could it could go either way I Would personally It would be interesting. I mean it's been touched we touched on this a little bit before but it'd be interesting to see them going through and correcting All the things you said were bad about
Starting point is 04:09:50 CV's crazy because like I They would have to like redo the whole thing from top to bottom because like not even the the locations are interesting So like, you know how in in the other ones it's like, oh, hey, it's that cool area. It's that cool room, you know stuff like that It's fucking Top to bottom scrap it the best thing About cv is it's terrible story Because it's crazy
Starting point is 04:10:19 It's so fucking weird Um, but you do that, but I mean anything can be touched up Yeah Like the re3 already set the precedent for like, uh, let's just just do a whole new game in the same area technically Yeah, so if they did that it could work, but Also four is guaranteed money gangbusters. Yeah, yeah Yeah, three is a little bit less than that, but it's still money
Starting point is 04:10:52 You know I feel so bad for the people working on four Because man, that's a lot of pressure That is a lot like It is it is but you know the template has been established Expectations and one not as successful Made in a shorter period of time Much shorter period. Yeah, give it the time
Starting point is 04:11:22 You know But the expectations I I bet the fact that we were we're hearing little snippets of rumors about four But like shit about eight is just coming out Well, what I would four is very far Well, that what I was going to say is that like whatever the fuck that team is up to Right, like if anything the real sweat is probably on the the village people Who are like, you know, we got to fucking bring it With a whole new entry
Starting point is 04:11:54 After seven Um And and you know, they're they're paving the the pathway forward While the team that's working on the remakes is trying to erase history A couple games back, you know, who will catch up to whom? Can we rewrite time by the time you create new history? You're working on a dead timeline I have a sneaking suspicion That catcom's gonna do them all
Starting point is 04:12:26 All the numbered Like five and six two Do you think and If I were inside that office I would say to myself You know, it would be really cool If we put out a resident evil five that was resident evil five version one that wasn't co-op And had the god hand stuff in it
Starting point is 04:13:00 That would be fucking cool Do you think um The the the vibe is weird when we Hard cut to like 10 years from now when we literally have two resident evil teams that Are literally just one team is creating And continuing to stretch a dead universe as the other is catching up and trying to redo everything So hey
Starting point is 04:13:32 Here here's when it's hey Here's when it's gonna get super weird. Hmm So say they say they replace re six remake it make it shorter and gooder And then we're at re like nine or ten. All right with the new stuff And then discussion is like Are are they gonna do seven? Well, that's what I mean So that's what I'm saying. Exactly. So the team the team that just made seven
Starting point is 04:14:04 looking back going wait, but Wait, no wait And you know that the future team the current timeline team Is tony jaw climbing the the raid tower and the fucking machete squad Come and killin everyone behind him is the remake team just massacring all that is left behind But here's where it's gonna get really wild right because that's the question one Like gosh, we do seven and then somebody puts their hand up and goes no Let's do one again
Starting point is 04:14:44 Right sure And it's like wait guys guys guys Dude No, I would I would love I would love the remake team To finish six and start seven and then the the team that's working on 11 is like stop. What are you doing and capcom is like we can't stop them They will catch up Reconvergence must occur
Starting point is 04:15:15 The development of the remake series went from a miracle to dude. Are you just gonna completely redo 15 years of development history? We We will consume all and cleanse the timeline because like, uh, there's an in re uh, re two wait re one two three and uh cvx As well as umbrella chronicles are all like we have to take down umbrella And in umbrella chronicles they take down umbrella, which is a weird side game that the single most important thing in the series happens in And so it's like is there gonna be like
Starting point is 04:15:56 Resident Evil Umbrella chronicles is that gonna get it the only one has a real game The only rest That the original team has is the little stop gaps like code Veronica And and and all the other side games where the remake team has to stop and go deal with that shit Otherwise they will pursue There's a lot of side games to sell them down. They will pursue with the absolute relentless
Starting point is 04:16:31 Fucking demon energy to rewrite reality. They're coming not unlike mr. X They're coming but a side game will distract them for a minute to be like fuck. Okay. We got to go do code for onica And it's like, okay, we can breathe for a minute. We can make a break for it. Let's go Let's get another two games ahead if we can't so They did they had a dev interview re3 a little bit ago. Yeah that really shows off their Desire to really really get this ball rolling which is
Starting point is 04:17:04 When I was playing re3 remake So nemesis is a tyrant that has a weird parasite in it And when you get into one of his boss fights and you shoot him a bunch A super gross lust plaga style parasite comes out which never happened in the original Mm-hmm And I was like that looks like a fucking lust plagus and then in an interview they're like Yeah, we really thought it would be cool if the the ne alpha parasite was actually umbrella frances
Starting point is 04:17:34 Attempt to create a synthetic form of the lust plagus parasite that they found in europe and like oh, they're totally just They're they're putting like a really strong through line So that when you get to re4 you can explain why the enemies work like this and which is an improvement as a retcon Kind of I don't know as somebody who makes it a little less out of nowhere story lines. They're terrible Yeah, super awful. It makes it a little less out of nowhere Which kind of sucks though because like re4's best thing was that it was out of nowhere That it was not a zombie right Um
Starting point is 04:18:15 But yeah rumors And lastly, let us just give a quick heads up and shout out that on june 9th Fight on the killer instinct story will be released Uh, which is the k.i documentary that hold incredible timing hold back to block has been working on So estaban's out there. He put out a trailer today. You can check it out. What a great name What a fucking great name, dude Solid fight block dude No, no, no not hold back to block the name of the that's also fantastic. It's a great name. It's a great name
Starting point is 04:18:53 Yeah, but the document the unnamed on the unnamed k.i documentary now has a name and the name is fight on Which is what the announcer says in the game when you're about to match fight But it also is like, you know, you can you're still alive. You're fighting on so it implies that you're yeah, it's good It's good. Perfect timing. Like you said, perfect timing Um Fgc karma is coming true in 2020 It's nice
Starting point is 04:19:27 Shall we read some letters? Yeah, let's read some letters as Uh As uh, what do you call it? Nicholas pickless would say it's letter time. It's letter time. Okay Dear castle super beasts. Well, they do you want to talk about this knight or cut shit dear of castle super beasts? Thank you Why are people convinced that
Starting point is 04:19:58 A new cut of a movie By by the maker of batman v superman And fucking sucker punch will suddenly somehow be a good movie Because they're dc fanboys I guess Who
Starting point is 04:20:21 Would yell that the movie's great. It's great. You're just stupid But also the only reason the movie sucks is because the studio ruined it I Joss we didn't take it joss we didn't took over and and and yeah, clearly Clearly so I reshoots with different actors is what I caught I I have two things to say about the Snyder cut one that movie sucks And I don't think an extra hour of footage can save it because it sucks And two
Starting point is 04:20:52 The release the Snyder cut shit was always hilarious and it's double hilarious now Because when they're like, okay, we're gonna release the Snyder cut with big air quotes It comes with a caveat of after we film it because the cut never existed exactly exactly you know what I like like this sad part about this is um Release the Snyder cut is a bigger meme than the actual groundswell of any of their movies Perhaps with the exception of wonder woman one So which was apparently quite good for the first two-thirds so, um
Starting point is 04:21:34 Excellent movie if you walk out at If you walk out, I know what you're talking about and I thought it was two hour and maybe I don't know like at the One hour and 45 minute marker or whatever like there is a walkout point where if you leave the theater now This movie is awesome Anyway so so The release the Snyder cut is a bigger meme than anything else going on Right like that and clips of the Harley Quinn cartoon are currently all they've got going on. So
Starting point is 04:22:12 You know, uh, why not embrace it by literally quote-unquote releasing the Snyder cut by filming it with different actors And then maybe you get a shot at a You know capitalizing on what's going on there. I don't know. I don't know You know You're right. Shazam was okay, but no one's talking about Shazam. It was one of those sleeper hits, you know, it was uh It was it was a Breath in the wind like it just Oh, that's uh, and there it went. Yeah
Starting point is 04:22:47 Yep, which that's what it's meant to be. It's fucking Shazam You know, but anyway, I don't even want to fucking go it like enough Shit's garbage. Why are we even you know fully your marvel bias is showing my marvel bias is showing it's 2020 it's current year And we're still talking about I think That saying that is really funny. Yeah, I think people accusing me of a marvel bias when I hate comic book Might be my favorite thing ever
Starting point is 04:23:23 Yeah I hate comic books. The only thing I hate more than comic books is superman My trash movie bias is showing but that's because we have to kill him I Think I like Lex Luthor more than anything marvels got I was waiting for you to respond to that because I am sure you saw that post of Lex Seeing superman is evil and probably identified. Yeah That's what superman looks like. Yeah
Starting point is 04:24:02 What you guys don't see that He actually does gotta go he actually does like I talked about it a week or two ago But in kingdom come where he actually looks that fucking evil for a moment, but um The of course it's like hey, which version of lex are you talking about right? We're not to get not not to get into it, but depends on who takes the The whoever takes the stab at it will come up with like lex is a misunderstood character um
Starting point is 04:24:32 He's really just and then it's like insert your Your reason it's like my favorite version of lex is the guy who says if not for superman I could save the world and soups responds with dude. You could have done that already if you cared, right? There's that version. Yeah, there's the version. There's the version where it's like Oh, he would he is a good person. He just doesn't trust the the gods You know no, that's no exactly Well, that's That he's a prideful spiteful bitch
Starting point is 04:25:02 Yeah, he thinks he would be a hero if he wasn't if the the the obsession of his pride wasn't there And then you know, and then you've got your your your fucking Your smallville version, you know, so Where did superman make him bald in that? probably probably like I feel I feel like in my brain after fucking like 85 seasons of smallville For some reason I keep thinking about it like the arm in hot tub time machine
Starting point is 04:25:33 Where there were multiple episodes where lex had hair and then there was a a moment of accidental Maybe oops, he might lose it all You know, I feel like I feel like people are saying that yes, superman Yeah, they got got made bald and like oh, there's an origin. I feel like I lost my hair I'ma get you I feel like a series and like like smallville was a series of close calls Where lex gets his hair slightly burnt a little bit more each time That's all I fucking A superman flies by and and his his toupee falls off and he's like ah superman
Starting point is 04:26:14 And that's it dude I like The fucking I'll tell you what though. I'll be real, you know, everybody like all this You know what dc has a fucking almost like unassailable market on That know that they refuse to do ever give me a fucking golden age batman superman movie Where they're like jimmy olsen and aquaman are fucking dying in the desert And batman and superman have the water and they're pouring it into the sand
Starting point is 04:26:49 And they're they're they lowest is in space and superman is like snapping her air supply super dickery so that oh no Super dickery Yeah, you those would be great. You're looking for super dickery I'm looking. Yeah, would that come on? That'd be great um That's silver age. Okay, I'm not super familiar, but yeah, you know, do it do it Henry Cavill is there looking at like black lois lane walk out of the the machine
Starting point is 04:27:29 I mean like The way to roll with it would be to like put it somehow within Something like the harley quinn animated show where they just don't give a shit No, I want live action. I want a big budget big budget. Okay. Okay Well I mean you could always you could always uh, uh, uh, you know Replace um fucking
Starting point is 04:28:02 The ruby rose batwoman serious This is a bit off off off topic, but did you see everybody hating on robert paterson because he doesn't want to work out No, I didn't see that So robert paterson is going to be batman And the movie studio and his personal trainer is like dude, you got to work out for the batman and he's like, I don't want to You can't make me I didn't hear that
Starting point is 04:28:29 And people are super super mad at him And somebody pointed out that it's like, yeah, robert paterson is going to be the worst batman ever By portraying a self by becoming a self-absorbed eccentric millionaire hiding in his mansion Did uh, what a what a terrible batman that that actor would make did you hear about the um the batwoman show? I did not well. There's a batwoman show starring ruby rose It finished the season And then they're like, how about more seasons and then she was like nah
Starting point is 04:29:07 I'm good And she just and she just fucking pieced And they're like, okay. Well, we're we're looking to replace our batwoman Because she's gone She just pieced out Wow, DC's killing it walked off this walked off the set like teahawk You know in the fucking live action street fighter. Apparently she almost died during the show Well, there you go
Starting point is 04:29:38 Good reason Good reason pieced the fuck out Yep, yeah So almost dying then Not just the performance and the actual quality of the show itself All right. Well, also if you're gonna almost die it better be for a good show It's not quite uh kill bill you're filming here not quite uh
Starting point is 04:30:03 You know, yeah, yeah, okay. Well, good job guys Awesome Jesus Okay, well we're taking some letters Okay, we're taking some real letters now if you want to send in a real letter and buy a real letter I mean email you can send it to castle super beast mail a gmail.com RIP Cassandra Kane castle super beast mail at gmail.com What have we got in terms of real emails Aaron says dear super capsule
Starting point is 04:30:47 Big castle super beast premium membership event past plus here. I'm currently going through soul calibers fours, uh, uh, excuse me sixes libra of souls mode and I have come up with a side mission Uh, that's supposed to help you level up your character or rather. I've come to a side mission help you to help you level up your character Um, I've been met with nothing but rage. It's been I've broken down Uh As to even using a mercenary which is an AI controlled character that'll fight till they die I've noticed that during two NPC fights the enemy NPC is significantly less aggressive and hard-hitting Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's super frustrating. Um
Starting point is 04:31:25 I've never been into the fighting game scene, uh, but I I'm not exactly the best at them, but I still enjoy playing if they have a story mode and some kind of Customization or such but this mission reminds me of why I never got into fighting games Especially soul calibers since I've always had a hard time understanding what I'm doing even with practice So my question is what's a series or genre you undeniably get frustrated at on some sort of level But find enough enjoyment to make you continue playing even with the bullshit done your way Uh warzone slash battle royale is a really good example Because uh, I get super pissed at that and I also sweat when I play battle royale games and it sucks
Starting point is 04:32:04 But it's fun I don't have what it takes to handle a Uh high apm rts game It's not within me uh but I I love the idea you know, I
Starting point is 04:32:30 The the reason why I know anything about starcraft and went through that campaign and you know back in the day Was because I thought it was fucking rad. Uh, but boy am I not great at Unit mouse controlling stuff Ex exceptionally poor at that I mean fuck first person shooters too. Really when you think about I mean, and I'm only I think the Funniest thing in the world about that is that that is an incredibly common sentiment. Hmm, which led to Hey, you know, it'd be a lot easier controlling just one character. Just one guy. Yeah. Yeah, but they introduced that first by saying
Starting point is 04:33:11 Control one guy as the leader of this your party while you continue to play this rts Yeah, warcraft 3 heroes, which ironically enough led to a Genre that has way more frustration in it. Hmm Yeah Um warcraft 3 was the beginning of the end for me when I just realized I was in over my head Dude, I think warcraft 3 is tons of fun But I find like controlling the hero and the units to be impossible. I couldn't it broke me it broke me on the genre And it was also the realization that like
Starting point is 04:33:49 This though is You know genres get more complex as you go So this is where people that are like playing these games are taking it You know, and I'm like, yeah, I fucking That that that's the that's the hyper fighting like that's the marvel, you know That left me in the dust of rts games for sure Um, it was it was it was a rough time on my brain um
Starting point is 04:34:20 I like I can I love turn based though You know like one of the I'm a I'm a fucking scrub. So when the when the pressure's off I can I'll eat up some some Fucking into the breach and and and some fallen haven and you know, that's that's It's partial partially what's why I love it to the breach and and and and um Uh front mission and fucking uh The advance wars and shit like that like a ton, you know Way way better at dealing with that We got plague coming in with an assist to say that there are two types of rts players real players and quotes who micro
Starting point is 04:34:58 And base builders who like pretty bases and big armies. It's why the genre has fallen apart I think he's dead on with that considering we have mobas now, which is all micro And I've been playing fucking total war over the past week, which is all big armies And you could pause the game if you want a micro Hey speaking of um, you know like Like like minimizing the the the focus
Starting point is 04:35:28 You ever you ever play um commandos? Yes, I played commandos one on a demo disc back in like 96. Wasn't that the shit? It was pretty cool when it was just a crew and you had your units and each unit was like the specialist in their thing They're all characters And then you just pretty cool. Yeah, I remember being like, oh, yeah, I can do this Like I can do it without the base. I can grab a couple of units and roll with it Commandos was fun commandos is a lot of fun I remember back in the old cnc days where like who cares about micro and like the only thing that mattered is like
Starting point is 04:36:01 Yeah, the the intrinsics of the battle don't matter All that matters is that you're making more tanks per second than the other guy is And you will eventually win. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah Back in the good old days in 95 There's there's also something that is um There's also something that is um Like There's something about like the first person perspective in a in a game that like, uh
Starting point is 04:36:37 Doesn't sit well with me and this is not just the movement thing that I talked about and this is not this is not bad This is more about like, um Getting my bearings and like judging a distance and things like that like I feel like The camera placement is like limiting me compared to like in third person And it's it's and it's and it's all on me, but it leads to a level of like like wanting to Have more view than I have and it's not just the fov. It's it's the purpose
Starting point is 04:37:07 Yeah, the perspective of the thing and I go like, yeah, that's uh That's that's on that's a me thing. That's it's super a me thing But it is it is going to exist in every first person game I play for sure is a little bit of that like well Just you just got to get used to this, you know um Every once in a while you get games where the the conceptual execution of what's going on Oh outshines everything else happening that otherwise would
Starting point is 04:37:31 Uh bother me about it and I think you know mirrors edge and matri prime Are great examples of that uh tight and fall, you know, of course every time I've talked about like these these great first person shooters I'm like, yo, I fucking I can dig this. Um, it's because what's going on is is Like so much cooler. So to answer this guy's question, you know, I think there's a lot of fps is that I Uh, I'm like, I'm so drawn to what's going on outside of like what would bug me here that like it's it's fucking it works, you know I was watching a there's a fucking 25 minute video of here's overwatch and third person Here's every hero. Here's what the game would look like and I was just like I mean
Starting point is 04:38:14 I just I just watched though. I just sat and watched it dude. I sat and watched it and I was like, yep That's that's how that looks Looks pretty fucking cool You know It was it was a it was a nice video. It was 24 minutes of overwatch and third person and I liked it It there's moments where things kind of didn't work. Obviously when you pull a junk rat super Alt off the camera doesn't follow him that that's that's a bad and when you're playing widowmaker You need a fucking sniper scope. So come on
Starting point is 04:38:47 But um, also, how are you supposed to play the game when you're playing as widowmaker and her ass covers most of the screen What are you to do about that ass? I don't know. I don't know what he's gonna do. Yeah So that's that's it though, you know, that that is a thing that is a thing But like I said sometimes Despite myself despite my own stupid shit I uh The idea is the what's going on in the game is cool enough, you know And and it and it sells me anyway. I I've been I've had a long history of
Starting point is 04:39:22 Like this game looks cool. I hate it And just like bashing my head against it until I either know for sure that I hate it Or breakthrough to at least Some enjoyment the one I I mean I did that with warhammer over the pad. I I had 32 hours played in warhammer before I enjoyed it once Which is way more of a go than I would recommend to anybody but Like there's a lot of cool shit out there
Starting point is 04:39:55 That sucks for me and I want to enjoy it, but I'm wrong. It sucks Overwatching third person is a really good example because You that could just be you pulled it up Yeah No, I didn't even but I should right because it's like, you know, your skins would matter a lot more Oh, yeah, they would if you could actually fucking see them. Yeah, they would dude like something about just seeing lucio Just skating around and jumping off the walls and shit and I was just like
Starting point is 04:40:33 But I I I sealed I I I sealed that that part of me. Oh, that's really good I sealed that part of me away You know that looks really good. I closed my heart to it a long time ago I understand you just opened my heart to it. I hate this Oh, I would way rather have played this dude the last time I brought this up I got super turbo shat on High-key was I there? Uh, I don't remember probably possibly it might have been a podcast discussion
Starting point is 04:41:08 But I talked about the the idea of the third person overwatch thing and I remember everyone's just like fuck off Well, he doesn't need to be for you and I'm like, you're right You're right, but there's you can see your character. There's this video and I'm watching this video Where you're using all these heroes and you're doing their shit and I'm like, dear god I love this so much more than what we have and you can see them But you know, it's me. It's me. It looks like unreal championship I Skip ahead on real championship. Skip ahead. Yeah, skip ahead. Look at some look at look at fucking look at some of those characters
Starting point is 04:41:41 Look again. She looks like unreal championship You know, I mean Reinhardt's doing it a lot of the time anyway, but like just everyone else, you know I'd have a way easier time hitting that genji super If I could see where I am it's just it just looks like a better game but Whatever, I don't want to have this argument again. You know, wait, is that what paladins is? I mean even even Like even like just you go look at like like little little things like, you know
Starting point is 04:42:17 If I can trace her running around and zip zap zoopin, you know And you're like, yeah, you're just seeing her Blinking and her teleporting and all those cool little trails that she has and the visual Shit that she's doing that looks all cool a lot of the time you get to appreciate that as you do it Oh, that's what smite is Smite is your third person mober, you know, there's um It does a little put this shot this like doom fist Doing his fucking shoryuken into rush punch combos and stuff and I'm like, oh fuck you can you can see it
Starting point is 04:42:56 You can see him hit the guy in an uppercut and then charge the rush punch and follow it up And it looks cool because I saw it happen But anyway, now mobs aren't fourth aren't third person guys most mobs are fourth person. They're an omniscient view Yeah, the smite shit. That's a third person. That's behind the back Just learn to fps woolly. Yeah, no, that's the that's it just oversimplify the entire discussion. That's it And fucking doom eternal No, no, no, no, no just learn to just learn to fps. That's the point of the discussion like That's it. Just just boil the whole thing down the whole thought just comes down to like nah, just learn what exists, dude
Starting point is 04:43:35 Stop shut up Like okay, totally dude right on nailed it. That's the sentiment Why don't they just make one of these big cool games and I okay hold on Yeah, what if they make Like a third person. Yep Like shooter melee game with a lot of cool different characters And there's like objectives on the map and it's kind of like a moba, but not really
Starting point is 04:44:04 and it has a really killer rap soundtrack and It's character actiony And we can get platinum to make it guilty gear to overture Gotcha, and it can be called something like guilty here to overture Got it, uh or or like Uh Or like it can teach you about the origins of valentine
Starting point is 04:44:30 And the anarchy kings You can learn about that man ask our crews And about what we do and what we can learn from the backyard totally Guilty gear must have the most amount of untranslatable garbage that sounds like shit in english I can think of in any japanese thing ever That man is the is the worst it's the actual worst ever
Starting point is 04:45:03 Grand viper knight raid vortex It's the new name of the move Okay, that's cool. Yeah, he's got a name though. He's been named. We know his name I said it. Yeah, well Yeah, but I mean I played all through all the guilty gear xx story modes and I didn't see that name Did you I saw are you sure you did man and in quotes Did you do the new stuff?
Starting point is 04:45:35 Which new stuff like excerpt and excerpt. No, I said xx. Oh, yeah. Well, you had to you had to hit the uh, you had to hit the rest of it To get to the uh, the truth there were like six of those Uh, excerpt story mode and rev two are the uh The parts where it goes into the uh, I was already out the truth Tell me the guy's name asca our cruise No, I meant I was talking to the game in the past. Yeah At least it's not like joey
Starting point is 04:46:15 Like his name was joey fuck. Do you want some fucked up spoilers? Yeah, fuck it For the guilty gear lore Yeah, hit me hit me right now That man uh-huh Not even that bad of a guy Oh, shut up
Starting point is 04:46:35 Dude, that's suck. He was doing it For other reasons. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care I don't care Yep I hate it That man was up to some other shit Yep, a little bit of that attachee going on. I don't think any Hey, you want to talk fucked up spoilers?
Starting point is 04:47:03 I want to talk to you Careful about the worst Villain heel turn ever In a game that I no longer play But I will occasionally keep up on because everybody in my discord starts laughing the ass off because it's so terrible Let's talk about warcraft Hey, you know who's really bad The demons they're bad. Oh man
Starting point is 04:47:28 And the kingest of the demons. Oh sargeras the evil titan. Oh, he's so bad. Oh, he's so evil Oh, man, he's gonna he's gonna kill all the he's gonna kill the planet Oh my god That dude's an asshole. Holy shit So you take from warcraft 1 onwards to like two years ago. I'm talking 25 years more Oh, man sargeras is the biggest baddest ever He's the he's the universe annihilator. Oh my god Did you know that he was only doing it
Starting point is 04:48:05 To stop the Elder gods the eternals or whatever the fuck Danzo. Yeah That's yes, that's right That's right Uh Somebody points out sargeras wasn't there until warcraft 3. I should point out warcraft 3 was like 2004 anyway, but Who cares about that kill jaden was in warcraft 2
Starting point is 04:48:33 And then sargeras and arkham ond were his boss So whatever Hey, man Lord genome, right? You fools I was holding them back Dude, wow, lore is the actual worst Did you know that the planet of wow right now has been found out to be a person? And there is a sword
Starting point is 04:48:56 Approximately the size of the moon stabbed all the way through the planet. No wow And that that's not like oh we found out. That's what that was It's been there like some that happened in a cutscene and the planet remains whole It didn't just I don't know explode into a billion shitsillion nuclear explosions It's okay though because magic Hey man remember that time that zuko I do man zuka. Hey wasn't that great? That's good. That's really good. Hey zuko is cool in that one episode when he teased. Yeah Remember that that remember that thing he did it was cool. Yeah, that other thing that he did that sucked. Mm-hmm
Starting point is 04:49:43 Yeah, it's fucking great. Yeah, it's good That's rough buddy we got one coming That's when I knew the character had been saved Yeah, not just that that was the it's not just that but it's the like it's the way the light is written It's like oh, we're super aware. We're so aware of this. Let's absolutely embrace it and play it out Beautiful absolutely perfect Um, yeah Hey, so let's take one
Starting point is 04:50:35 from Kenji 849 says their super beast cast Castle super beast Uh, I'd like to share is the story About my old cold worker We used to work in a factory together as the janitorial staff one day our other co-workers dared him To sniff a bucket filled with a chemical we referred to as ultra bleach Being the idiot that he was
Starting point is 04:51:03 He stuck his face deep in the bucket took a long whiff He immediately passed out and since then he claims that the smell of rotten eggs smells like freshly baked bread Keep being awesome So apparently could you describe what I look like right now uh audio listeners Shook and dead I would say uh one has to think that
Starting point is 04:51:40 This is a conclusion to our conversation from about a week ago. Yes, it seems you can permanently permanently Damage your ability to smell things if you are enough of a fool He's lucky he didn't get like serious brain damage. Well, that is serious Brain damage, I would call that it's ultra bleach. I would call that serious brain damage if you I what what like That's exactly what I would call that I don't even I literally I literally don't even know what to say That is the kind of thing you can never live down
Starting point is 04:52:25 Hey, I can't smell this really why how what happened Yeah, hey, okay, it was an accident. No, it wasn't enough. He's brave though. He took the dare He wasn't a coward bitch. He did it. He did the thing They said are you a coward and he said no and then he did it so he's got that That's rough, buddy Yeah Uh the worst one I've ever heard Little little anecdote Casey says dare pooper and whooper in episode
Starting point is 04:53:01 192 of sbf of f sbfc You were talking about the movie looper around 232 And woolly says Someone is listening to this podcast in 2020 right now and pat cuts you off and says no, they're not then you told me the listener In 2020 to let you know that I'm listening. So here I am Sorry, it's not creative or anything, but I wanted to fulfill your past request um Oh, well, I got owned just doing what I'm told
Starting point is 04:53:31 Very respectfully Casey The loop has been closed I got shit owned goddamn the loop has been closed Look at that Looper I want to go see looper Man the more I thought about it the more that movie's plot makes no sense guys Looper Looper
Starting point is 04:54:10 All right if murder can't happen then how come they accidentally kill the wife I Said we closed the loop pat All right He hates us he keeps us on the ground Maybe it is time It was the other way around What's he doing in the house
Starting point is 04:54:42 On the road There's a tyrant sitting smugly on his throne See him laugh. Ha ha ha. See him sneer. Oh, yes. The only thing he covers are your tears and He's a boy lock. He's a jailer. He's not fine. You know what to do He tries to break our spirits. He must be defeated ends the boy Boy He's twisted his evil He's clever insane we'll end him all the same

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