Castle Super Beast - CSB 073: The Animals Are Leaving

Episode Date: June 16, 2020

Download for Mobile | Podcast Preview |Full Timestamps Then wtf is stopping us from just throwing ourselves off a bridge, and giving up, and yeah, the planet is dying, the government hates us, the ...animals are leaving, the aliens won't contact us, we might be alone, it just might be you and me, but that's ok, because do you really. need. anyone. else? You can watch us record the podcast live on twitch.tv/castlesuperbeast Outro: Final Fantasy VII Remake OST - Jenova (Phase 3) Persona 4 Golden now available for PC PS5 hardware revealed, includes standard and digital edition models Demon’s Souls remake announced for PS5 Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart announced for PS5 Horizon Forbidden West announced for PS5 Star Wars: Squadrons launches October 2 for PS4, Xbox One, and PC Windjammers 2 PC demo available from June 16 to 22 someone actually modded the giant robot fist gunlance into monster hunter world 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim, coming to PS4 on September 8

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You Yes, good afternoon. How are you? I'm okay. Mm-hmm. I had a apparently there's a massive shit echo occurring Yeah, well, I was trying out the the the headphones that you recommended. They're pretty good. They noise cancel great The they're extremely comfy. They're very comfy. What was it that there the the the Bose quiet comforts QC 35 twos, but but but Trying in trying to get a perfectly wireless setup going on over on this side of things would be great for me to not have to be tethered in There's a basic like
Starting point is 00:01:22 Issue where the way things are set up. I can hear myself talking, you know and because there's a little bit of a Bluetooth wireless connector that is a receiver that kind of replaces Where this headphone gets plugged in it's giving me back my voice at a delay Which means I can hear myself about a fraction of a second after I say it and it throws you off and disorient you and you can't fucking talk It's like a means it's like a method of like absolutely throw it fucking you up by making your voice hit you a little bit later If I remember right there's some kind of military application for non-violent crowd dispersal Which is appropriate considering the times
Starting point is 00:02:00 Which is just a machine that plays back your own voice at you by a couple milliseconds delay It makes you basically unable to speak because it's so uncomfortable. Yeah I like when I was talking to you just before we went live I was struggling to get words out of my mouth Like I felt like I was tripping over my tongue just because of that weird delayed echo So I'm gonna have to figure out what's going on with that, but I'm sure it would be fine to just Go directly to The computer and then not hear my voice back
Starting point is 00:02:33 But like everything on the mixer is meant to like let you hear your voice plus Whatever other voices that are plugged in on the microphones and then mix in the actual computers audio with it, so Yeah, I do I've gotten so used to that that like when I do calls on other systems or other setups, and I don't hear my voice back I'm like, oh, that's hmm. It takes a second because I'm like I spent so much of my time Sitting and talking into a microphone plugged into a mixer Yeah, I've been I've been doing this headphone thing for a long time. In fact, I have a I have a Pro tip variation for when your girlfriend is sitting over to your side
Starting point is 00:03:15 And you don't want to totally ignore her, but you want to maybe pretend like you didn't hear sometimes instead of having the full Call of duty or dead by daylight headphone setup You just peek it back a little bit so you can hear just a little bit just a little bit so you can hear like what what is that? Oh, yeah No, I spend I spend I spend a lot of my time like with one headphone off for sure That's a that's a normal, but I'll get you don't not all the way off all the way off gets rid of the sound You want to just peek it a little bit?
Starting point is 00:03:51 So gonna have to look into that but you know otherwise the noise cancelling on them is the most aggressive I've ever seen it's Pretty crazy isn't it pretty why I got I've flown on planes with it and it noise cancels the plane Which is really crazy. I'm never gonna fly on a plane again because the world is going to end but Still high-quality headphone. Yeah, I've got a air conditioning running, you know pretty frequently throughout My house and it's pretty loud, so it comes in handy speaking of air conditioning Sometimes you don't have a air conditioner
Starting point is 00:04:27 Sometimes you just need a fan Now I am using a fan right now because my basement gets a little hot because of all the devices down here Yep, and it's blowing some air on me and I feel chilled But what if I needed a stronger fan a newer fan a fan for the future? Well Sony has a device for you. It's called the ps5. Ah, I thought for a second you were gonna go back to my old homemade air conditioning tech No, no because that's still relevant talking about Sony's new omnidirectional fan That will blow air on you
Starting point is 00:05:04 With all of its swoops and dupes Are you referring to the PlayStation 5 I Yes, that's why I said the PlayStation 5 It doesn't look like a fan to me. It looks like a router People have literally posted like brands of fans that are the exact same design. Oh, yeah I haven't seen them the white sides and swoops. I've only seen I yeah You know you joke went over my head there because I only saw routers and Modems, you know, which are all going into this high-collar fucking high-collar look
Starting point is 00:05:41 It's the first console. I've ever seen that popped its collar So so hold that thought though because I wasn't finished talking about audio for a second because one other thing I wanted to ask you about is remember you're you're pimping out RTX voice. I was What was your final verdict on it? My final verdict is that when I want to use it to do that I use it But it represents about a 10% performance decrease. So I don't keep it on all the time. Okay I've noticed that after doing two
Starting point is 00:06:14 days of recording with it that It really is miraculous and it does Incredible and it does great when you are by yourself talking like this When you are a group and you get loud it falls apart Okay, so it completely stops being Viable at that point, but like I was kind of like in in general There was a like a Occasional quality drop, you know, but like I was as monitoring the complaints and then they just came back in way too strong
Starting point is 00:06:50 Whenever there was like more than one person and when the volume kind of kicked up So I guess that makes sense because it's like I don't know which one is the human because it's built for Single persons. Yeah, I ran into a situation when I was streaming that RTX says that page is not alive, right That page is either a coffee machine or an air conditioner or room noise. Yeah, she was just being Removed whole sale from almost any stream. It was hilarious It was like I had a superpower. It's again, it is impressive, you know, I just it's not quite there yet And I don't know maybe that's why it's also something where I had to run the the I had to edit the
Starting point is 00:07:35 The installer for it to run on on on on my my Oh, yeah, no that no, that's just NVIDIA's proprietary bullshit right Terry crap. Yeah doesn't affect its effectiveness at all So it's not quite there yet, but it's it's a really good step in that direction I want to see the next iteration of that and or a competitive product that comes out to do the same thing Perhaps maybe something where you can Register and train the voices that it should isolate So that it would be like hey, I know you and I know This group of people and then everything else gets aggressively noise filtered. That would be pretty sick
Starting point is 00:08:15 They just just only cut out the or you could have The opposite. Yeah, train it to ignore certain voices Yes Yes, you could that would be amazing that'd be amazing honey Tell me a story and then you you surreptitiously just Turn it on and then put that was a great story You get your wireless headphones and get the noise canceling going and then you get the person canceling going Yes, so
Starting point is 00:08:43 Pretty pretty good stuff. Um, I would like to remove this actors dialogue from this movie Do it Please get John Leguizamo out of this movie. Hey, man. He played a really dedicated clown He ate those maggots in real life Never never get it twisted he was dedicated to his role The past dedicate to these nuts so
Starting point is 00:09:15 Thank you knee PlayStation 5 is You know what it it I Just got it. I'm so excited to hear what you have to say. I'm so excited. It makes the controller makes sense It does it makes the controller design makes sense I Don't hate it. I don't I
Starting point is 00:09:45 Think when you see it But there's I saw there's like the the like all black version with the blue lights on the thing and I was like, okay Okay, I can kind of see what you're going for here But I will say when it's a on its side and B With the disc included it looks okay terrible It needs to be but like like what the problem is I am not gonna buy the version that has no disc on it because I want the option to use my physical media But this with those discless version standing upright is the only version where aesthetically it makes sense to me
Starting point is 00:10:21 okay, so I Like burst out laughing into like a kind of weird scream when I saw it of like that looks terrible And then they later showed the the discless version They later I had to go find a picture of it on its side And on its side the disc list version looks Okay, I guess and standing up the disc list version looks fine, I guess, right? But the standing one with the disk it looks deformed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no
Starting point is 00:10:59 I would never say that about a piece of electronics before fatty boom boom, but it's a PlayStation with a fatty boom boom It looks It looks like it has a congenital tumor from the factory It's got junk in the trunk that you did a biopsy incision on shit's thick. It's thick. I just don't get I just don't get like like like when you clearly designed this aesthetic for the discless version and Then like it almost feels like they went okay wait hold on We can't put the disc in the middle where the black part is right the disc slot Clearly should have been in the middle where the black part is except all the guts are there
Starting point is 00:11:45 So it's too late. So they can't do it. So then they go well fuck it throw it up on the side here and then make it You know, let me give it a give it a booty, but I gotta pull this thing's photo up. Yeah No, same It just it just doesn't it like it needs like that's the thing is like I don't hate the design I think it looks clean when it is the digital version standing upright That's that's that's what it is right now. Is that when you type in ps5? You get all these these mock renders of weight about the bullshit. Yeah Yeah, and never forget the Nintendo revolution the sphere with the fucking grid on it
Starting point is 00:12:23 So here's the thing right everyone we've been saying it for years and years It doesn't matter what it looks like when it lives under sir under your TV thing We're off to the side or whatever It's just gonna be a box right who cares right? This thing is also gigantic it's big But fucking shoot now there's there is an expected return to There's an expected return to like a large-sized thing since we're member we're at the end of a generation So everything has it has had a chance to go slim
Starting point is 00:13:01 But like there's a side-by-side Comparison and it is taller and wider than the original ps3 so um I Have very significant margin on on your on your Euro gamer Breakdown sheet that they put out You can take a look at the yeah, it's a it's a size a side-by-side comparison of all PlayStation three models ps4 models and Xbox 360 to Xbox one models and Yeah, it is it is it is it is it is as wide as the original ps3 and it is as tall
Starting point is 00:13:42 It's taller than all of them. It's the tallest console yeah And it's like I'm looking at my entertainment center And I'm like I Will have to measure to see if that fucking fits discipline doesn't learn discipline I'm gonna have to jam all of my consoles into a corner Across like in the fucking corner of my basement next to my PC, which is too large, right? Yeah to fit in an entertainment center
Starting point is 00:14:10 The only the only thing the only thing challenging its girth is The Xbox Series X but that's because that's just a fridge You know you like it is like I Feel like this design is an actual response to the Microsoft design because the Microsoft is a fridge It is a it is a but but it's not gonna have the the like the the depth You know, um, right the real size comparison now to see who's going to be the king of all big boys is The original Xbox which was never meant to be on its side
Starting point is 00:14:51 How does fatty stack up to that? It's a challenger It's a challenger for sure because if you're looking at this thing tower over the original ps3 model And then if we can google um It's much bigger Xbox original. I'm I'm literally looking at dimensions the The original Xbox dimensions are 12 and a half inches by 4 inches by 10 and a half inches And the ps5 is 14 inches tall damn
Starting point is 00:15:21 All hail castle VidCon. So this is the biggest. It's the it's the king. It's the big boy. Yep. Congrats Um Yeah, no and I'm looking at it now it actually Wow, the fat old Xbox was less fat than I thought Yeah, it was just so fat looking it was fat looking because it was a it was an x that was that was uh x exhaling Remember it was the design aesthetic was we wanted. Oh, yes, it was exhaling. It was an x that's in the middle of exhaling going Wow So, um
Starting point is 00:15:59 It just looks fatter than it actually is But uh, no the ps5 is now the king of sizes now now could you imagine? I'm looking at the size comparison chart of all these different consoles right Dude the xbox 360s and the ps3s look like fucking terrible Like the original xbox 360 looks like a stupid piece of shit. Oh the white one Yeah
Starting point is 00:16:28 Uh, it's it curves in I I think the I think the the uh the black slim is where it looked a lot better um the The black slim version where it had the where it has like the power button with the um the quadrants Um, I'm like that's a clean design. I like that. I thought that before that worked out fine The original ps3 looks like a mess looks like a space. It's yeah, it's just it's a giant fucking spaceship Um, I was going to say like could you imagine if the same logic that went into like the naming of the 360? went into this the the design of the ps5 where they're like if people see bigger size they will assume it is dominant
Starting point is 00:17:06 The size equals power And the biggest console of them all in your living room will clearly remain unchallenged As the others are subservient and tuck their tails I assume that the the size is on both of them Uh for big fucking fans Like I assume we're gonna pop these open and see like You know like 240 Mill millimeter fans in there
Starting point is 00:17:38 You know just giant giant motherfucking fans Um to make sure that these things don't die. I bet you I bet you you like mark it that like These things are going to be the loudest motherfuckers until they figure it out on the next skew It's gonna take a skewer to before they get the the quietness and I bet you this thing is fucking loud, dude But woolly The ps5 is gonna have a hard drive that so fast that not even pcs will be able to handle it until the samsung equivalents come out Alongside the ps5 this november possibly At the same time they've announced them. Okay. Well, there you go. Yeah
Starting point is 00:18:24 Hmm I mean look the pc market knows what it's what it's doing when it comes to like New generation. Okay. Well Um, here's what you're gonna need Because this is this is basically where games are gonna go and if you don't already have it then uh, yeah get you get your parts ready It makes sense. It makes sense. Um You also, uh Are going to be looking at like
Starting point is 00:18:48 You're gonna be looking at like like just the the the the the sound of the fan When it's when it's like starting up or whatever and then occasionally going back down and like, I don't know if you remember the early days of Uh, what were the loudest 360 and dreamcast or the loudest two to me? um 360 would just start revving Reving hard and like it would get it would like really kick on and then like you'd get that initial like like But then like once you're starting up the next game you just get that
Starting point is 00:19:27 Like it was I'm gonna give really loud. I'm gonna give it to the 360 um but With the ps4 pro right behind it Uh, but I want to give a special like honorable mention To the click tracking noise of the ps2's cd wrong It was
Starting point is 00:19:56 It had a hard chunky one too like a And like it was it always sounded like your fucking console was gonna fly upon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah um And then of course the dreamcast one was just very like Yeah, I had a really really specific stuttery Yeah, um, I don't like I get that I I understand the idea of the digital only version of the ps5, but it's like that's the one I'm gonna get really I I'm at zero physical games on the ps4. I'm
Starting point is 00:20:35 I'm at like like two maybe three But that's not the point. The point is I want the option Right, I don't want the I don't want the option taken away from me And in the same way that like the ps3 with the original ps2 hardware inside of it Is like the best version of that you can get and then eventually it became obsolete Um, I want the version that has the options for sure sure sure, but I'd probably use it extremely minimally um But like like, you know considering the the
Starting point is 00:21:05 The nature of like, you know lp-ing and stuff. It's like there's a lot of times where I have to Fucking uh, uh, there's there's stuff where I'm just like, I don't want to have this installed I want I don't want to deal with this. I just want to kind of you know, um Have the ability to possibly like oh you already have a copy of that game cool. Bring it over Let me just do this instead, you know, so that's why you got to get disgusting disgusting fast internet Mmm Anyway, I think um Yeah, I just it's gonna bug me that the version I buy is the one that is not aesthetically pleasing
Starting point is 00:21:41 But that has a tumor, but so be it so be it Uh, you gonna wait for the black one. You're just gonna grab whatever is out. No, I'm gonna grab a day one Yeah, okay, if it sucks ass it'll just sit there forever Like I look at the I look I'm looking at this this promo image and like man those controllers look hot Mm-hmm They look great You see they have the little engravings on them that are like the the playstation symbols I just it's just it's just the trigger buttons, man. It's just the uh
Starting point is 00:22:11 The r2s and l2s, you know, they look like ps4 controllers that had more shit molded on to them The plastic of the button should not be the the also the surface of the should not be the resting point Um, they threw it in at the last second at the presentation, but they came in with those uh headphones and then the remote Yeah, so it's very like like oh by the way here's some accessories to match the same But Scott blue to aesthetic and just use my regular shit on it. You dumb motherfuckers So you're dumb playstation branded crap and not a price in sight except for that leak shocked Shocked there was no price
Starting point is 00:22:54 No price no date to me that's To me that says the price hasn't actually been decided yet um because the price of this device is uh the price of this and Uh, the xbox one are really weird because when they started building them, they're like fuck it. We're gonna go high end Right, this is gonna be the like the fucking first high end out of the gate console in a while, right? They always do we Yeah, but this this one they're actually putting shit in it like look how big the fucking things are right
Starting point is 00:23:29 And uh, then covet happened And Now they've built up these super high end luxury video game consoles that are not for everyone In a global climate in which tons of people are broke. Yes Yes timing Timing like I bet They're totally gonna be way more expensive than we think
Starting point is 00:24:00 I'm think I'm thinking 500 at least It will be one dollar less than 599 us dollars Well, they like the leak was 599 euro Right That's not a leak. There's no way anything would be 599 euro. That's like that's like 800 usd um And then i'm like going back in history They've jumped up to that price before
Starting point is 00:24:33 When the ps3 was launching they've jumped up to The fucking 599 99 mark, you know, we all saw how that went um Yeah, I don't know dude. It might they might jump back up there, man They might try again, you know ps4 launched at 399 um Same thing 360 launched at 399 xbox one came at 499. Yeah, i'm looking at a comparison of launch prices and
Starting point is 00:25:02 ps3 is the king if you Uh decide to exclude the panasonic 3do which came out for uh, a meager 699 in the year 1993 Jesus Christ That's unbelievable 699 in 1993, dude The 3do was wild Oh my god, that's just terrible Yeah, yeah, so so 3do is uh gonna stay up there neogio, of course
Starting point is 00:25:43 649 Yeah, but by the car but you're buying the car you're buying the arcade cartridges exactly you're buying literally I don't think the neogio could ever be topped It was but the thing about the neogio though was that they took the arcade machine And put it in a smaller piece of plastic and put video outs on it They basically sold, um Uh a super gun which is like the it's an arcade board that runs on a on a tv screen, you know like so It's almost like understandable in that nonsense way
Starting point is 00:26:16 Where this is more of an arcade board and less of a console But uh, yeah, everything else everything else comes in at that, you know, 299 399 range Occasionally 399 has seemed to be the sweet spot for a lot Occasionally 499 if you're looking at challenge a little bit, but uh ps3 at 599 is the modern king I think I can I can see them hitting it
Starting point is 00:26:40 I can see All right, I want I want to fucking like like Boy scouts swear fucking prediction here. Mm-hmm. What do you think this thing's going to come out at at the two skews? Well, that's the that's that's what I was about to ask you is what are you going to call the price difference between disc and discless? I want to call $100 99 and 4 and 5 49 you think $50 for the discs. I think $50 for a $2 cd rom Sorry blu-ray drive
Starting point is 00:27:20 I think they might go to 100 I think they might just they might just they might opt for the the the the round hundred on the optics um There might be other differences, but like I feel like you're gonna see a hundred dollar difference 50 50 is like 50 is is is low enough that it's almost like we'll just get the extra thing You know, it's almost like they want. Yeah
Starting point is 00:27:49 But you're gonna put but you're but you're producing you're still producing a whole line of these like You know, you're physically producing a whole line of these these discless ones like even if you want to upsell it I think it's gonna go for a hunt. I think it's gonna be a hundred dollars difference between the two All right, so you're thinking 4 99 5 99 probably Probably so and there might be there might and there might be more than just the disc Of the other the disc is a difference. There might be something else to to make it. I doubt it
Starting point is 00:28:20 We've all had we all lived through that mistake with the 360 era Well, do you remember the do you remember the ps3 with lie lie lie lie lie? All the ports that never happened. Oh, yeah This thing has like it has a usbc and a usba on the front Who knows what's going on behind it? But all right, let's I want to do some quick ass math So let's assume woolly you think that this thing will come out at 5 99 599 us dollars with the disc, right? That translates to approximately 800 canadian dollars
Starting point is 00:28:57 Which translates to Uh, let's see 800 times one point 15 percent sales tax equals a total Of approximately 920 dollars beautiful beautiful Yeah, or or or how about this? Or how about this right because again, I think the shelf difference of an entire digit
Starting point is 00:29:25 is important for like That that like walking on and purchase recognition from like parents and things like that that they're going for I think you might even see like again Like if they don't sweeten the deal by having other things included or not included Then it would go the other way around and it would be like your 5 99 disc version includes the headset or the remote Or some other accessory that is not included in the 499 version Like if the actual cost of 50 bucks between the two is not enough They'd pop maybe toss it in an accessory so that you'd have that that exact difference
Starting point is 00:29:59 But I think they want to have A product at 4 99 and a product at 5 99. I think that's that's likely I'm seeing people say that the discless version will actually be more expensive Hold on Is that just is that just like Because the optical drive would be replaced with an ssd and I don't think that's coming from anywhere Yeah, no, that doesn't make any sense. Then didn't they advertise both like didn't they advertise ssd as a standard and In the in the product no, no, no, no, it's gonna have like a big fancy ssd
Starting point is 00:30:33 Yeah, this ssd was pitched as a standard thing for the product like I think both skews are gonna have the ssd That's that seems not that seems nonsense. They're literally showing off games that are using the ssd to Jump across worlds the ratchet thing was about. Yeah. Yeah No, I think that's complete nonsense. So that's that's one it's one of those things It's like that ssd stuff they were showing off with ratchet like that's very impressive But it's also stuff that you'll clearly only see for exclusive games It is no one's who's yeah, who would have put the work into well until hello games throws it into no man's sky next
Starting point is 00:31:09 We've added a portal gun Um Yeah, yeah, actually the way the way that game works that would actually be you they could do that right now Yeah Because it's because it's algorithmic. Yeah, mm-hmm. So you just punch in a new number and the game will just start Put you in those put you in that area. Totally. Yeah, I am Yeah, I'm curious to see if the series x is going to You know change anything about their approach bending pending this this this announcement
Starting point is 00:31:46 I I just think it's really funny that like right after the announcement digital foundry was like We talked to some ps5 devs and they're all targeting 30 frames a second. I'm like great Awesome I mean so glad When are you when are you gonna start thinking about your 8k television? You mean the one that by every conceivable human eyeball metric will be Pointless. Yep. Almost everyone but it's forever, but it's there though Yeah, don't you want to know that there's so much quality that you can't even see it
Starting point is 00:32:31 Don't you want to know what it feels like to hit the event horizon of your perception? You would need I think it's like a 110 inch television at like 8 feet to even be able to see a difference at all at 8k like it's it's It's Fucking mad pointless. We can spit it out to 8k. We're gonna spit it out to 8k. I don't care Yeah, um, that sucks, man. Still still not standardizing 60, huh? Still still not standardizing 60, huh? Nope, never
Starting point is 00:33:07 Because 60 is hard Yeah, it's been hard for a while, but it's been a while Yeah, well It always it always drives me crazy when uh, these devs do remasters I remember the last of us one was really cracked me up They did the last of us or we released on ps4 and like multiple devs on that team were like Holy shit, the game is just so much better at 60. It's incredible. We should really think about this Hmm, but we're not yeah
Starting point is 00:33:42 Like, you know, I'm like, okay. What if we lock it at 40 guys? How about that 40 is actually terrible? You don't want it said. Yeah. No, I know Like please these half steps are awful. Um I like personally I would take A generation that is the same as we are right now with 60 locked in and no other improvements I say that literally every single gen. Okay, we're like, that's the only improvement and everything else stays the same It would be worth it saying Uh, when the fucking 360 came out, I'm like, just give me better performing ps2 games. I don't care
Starting point is 00:34:22 Like like it's great that spider-man runs instantly Give me blood-borne unpatched loading and um 60 on everything. Yeah, totally. It's the biggest. It's the biggest noticeable difference Compared to everything else. And here's here's where I feel like it's there's a real hard-ass disconnect which is like But you can't show frame rate in a screenshot in a magazine woolly Oh
Starting point is 00:34:55 Well, I mean magazines though, that's my point. Yeah You can't show 60 fps on a tv commercial It really does feel like From project to project The the one of the one of the biggest struggles in the world is like getting that rate locked in Getting it locked in is just The endless struggle. Um, yeah, because you don't have to hit 60 you have to hit like 75 So that when it dips it it dips to a minimum of 60. Yeah, right? Um
Starting point is 00:35:35 And you know like yeah, and so when you don't want it to be variable it's um It's clearly not a guideline for a reason. I'll say that much right if sony wanted to They could enforce 60 They could and then a a million games wouldn't come out You know they they they straight up could But yeah, that's not something that they're doing and that they've ever chosen to do They what what the do the next gens or rather I should say the the the last gens
Starting point is 00:36:08 Um, they always have a step. There's always a um What so I've seen from the moment from the time I started qa um There were still playstation 2's games, uh coming out, right and there was there was still um It was like they're still like yeah, there was early ds uh, uh qa stuff happening and then when I was out it was
Starting point is 00:36:36 uh current gen so Like seeing the incremental step up in terms of just like what the hardware manufacturers enforce You usually would see something where It's like okay now games are Uh now that hdmi is is optional right your console can output Uh component composite or hdmi then
Starting point is 00:37:01 You know, uh, please make sure that if you do choose to support hdmi, then you support Um, not just 480p, but you know like like you should you're supporting your 720 Yeah, exactly and at least 1080 i right so it'd be like if you can get 1080 i 720p You're fine and everything is is is great and that's your option, right? The gen right after that that becomes mandatory and then the next step up becomes the optional step so There's always a you you have the option And then one gen later that locks in in a way, right?
Starting point is 00:37:37 That's kind of the relative progression of how this sort of stuff works Yeah, uh when it comes to frame rate gave you a couple years to get used to this as an option now you got to do it um same thing for um audio, you know as well like like there was a um a thing where it's just like okay, you can support dolby digital you can support Uh dts, you know 5.1 5.2 9.1 9.2 7.1 So like you can go through all these different options and these are optional and then afterwards they go now you have to do them So they have that little scale going upwards with each gen but with with with um frame rate
Starting point is 00:38:12 They they never did Uh frame rate is the only thing where it was always like well Do what you can So, you know take that take that as you will I like I'm just thinking and kind of giggling in the background. Uh, let's say they implement a 30 fps Like mandate, right? I would
Starting point is 00:38:41 Give anything to talk to the people in charge of compliance Of like get this game under fucking 29 frames a second Like your job is when the shit comes in when you do this compliance is you fuck this thing up like a super nintendo game And you get that frame rate under 30 so that it fails compliance. I mean I mean like that would be the greatest job ever Well, well that ultimately like what you what you are failing things for it depends on which platform but in some in many cases like an inconsistent frame rate would lead to um Like what would feel like choppiness, you know, what would feel like Uh uh uh unsmooth gameplay and then that is a valid that is a a valid bug
Starting point is 00:39:25 You can definitely throw that in the database and go like yeah this level the game just takes a shit here Uh, especially I forget what it was, but I remember there was a game where like the the the cutscene prompts like the qte's Would be like delayed because the frame rate was like so fucking bad. It's a piece of shit out on 360 And it's like this is unplayable like this these prompts are fucked um shoutouts to the performance test on killer instinct, which is uh Loading in the alleyway level and cinder versus cinder And it just has them doing their giant explosive
Starting point is 00:40:06 Particle-based things over and over and over again in a mirror match And it's like can your system handle this can you handle a cinder mirror match? it was um It was a version of walking dead. Okay, so many of the chat just mentioned it was a version of walking dead I think it was walking dead season one without a hard drive Where it would just be like Like there were parts of the first episode that were Uncompletable that you couldn't the prompt would pop up late
Starting point is 00:40:36 Because the prompt would pop up after your character had died. Yikes Yikes Yeah, well hey, but yeah cinder versus cinder I I remember turning that on and like laughing Because it's like oh, yeah, this is about as bad as they they know they know exactly what to what to test exactly Yeah, that's I like that. Um, I like when um, so you do it in dmc for special edition And it just pans the level and loads in like, uh 100 enemies
Starting point is 00:41:08 Just jumping around doing their thing and then it just like keeps going and more and more and more and more and more You know, and it's just like yeah, show me what the game's Absolute death choke nightmare is And and let's see how it handles it and then the pad gives you a passing grid and you're like fuck. Yeah, I feel good about my setup It's funny because the uh, so total warhammer that big strategy game we were talking about a couple weeks ago They have three benchmarks in it. There's the campaign benchmark, which is like their map Well, you know the you know like the sieve map there's battle Which is the a fight between two large armies
Starting point is 00:41:43 And then there's the skaven battle benchmark because the skaven have like twice as many cheap units and There's no actual benchmark for the upper limit because in that game you can combine multiple multiple armies together Um, and you can get like 20 30 000 fucking Enemies on screen and your cpu is gonna shit Like there's nothing that can be done like the game will allow all sorts of shit to happen And there's no computer on the fucking planet that will handle it um
Starting point is 00:42:18 But I I admire games like killer instinct that just go This is as bad as it's going to get This is the worst thing we could do. This is the worst thing we can do. Yeah. Yeah um Something that also sucks and it's this is a A streamer lp or a problem, but it's like if you're running your shit through an elgato You're kind of getting it modified anyway. You're you're you're getting a modified feed um, yeah, so like just just a little but the so like, um
Starting point is 00:42:52 You know depending it So if you if you are recording if you're not recording in 60 for example, then like obviously you're not going to be seeing 60 displayed to you But the biggest difference for me is I find the color Is super super washed in a different way. Uh for me, you'd expect expect. Oh, sorry. Hold on a moment Someone is at oh, I heard that that's a person at your door brb Okay, uh, yeah, excuse me. There was a fire alarm this morning and uh
Starting point is 00:43:22 We had to uh, I think they're doing like some inspections and stuff. So a wonderful no worries Well, what the fuck were we talking about? I completely forgot Which we're talking about Frame rates we're talking about locking at 60. We're talking about the difficulty and the the particles of And then the pushing your games to the maximum benchmarking all of that happy horse shit and um Yeah, and and and how frame rate is not a standard but like
Starting point is 00:43:56 You know, we're going to enter another 10 years or whatever of this gen and it's still not going to be a I think because it's hard and it's hard And that's all there is to it But it's hard, uh, I Yeah, I think I think I think there would be a lot of a lot of a lot of people would just like Stop what they're doing if they had to hit that 60 as a as a mandatory Uh, uh requirement, you know, that would create a huge disruption I think I think the funniest thing would actually be like so, you know how
Starting point is 00:44:29 You'll see like the like we're gonna push this game's gotta be 720. God damn it. It's like the frame rate isn't there, dude I don't care. So you get these games coming out like 20 right See the opposite. We're like, well, we have to hit 1080 And we have to hit 60 All right, what can we cut? Every texture Just oh, yeah. Yeah, don't stare too hard at that at that grass. Yeah, absolutely draw distance
Starting point is 00:44:59 Let's cut it See the seam in the sky Superman 64 fucking rings and shit Although um screen tearing is obviously, uh, uh A thing that like you can absolutely fail if it happens too much. Um, really the uh Uh, uh, what was I gonna say? I was gonna say, yeah, so we're talking about the Elgato And I was bringing up the fact that like the colors Chains on change on some things and uh, I've I remember some weird instances of like um
Starting point is 00:45:33 Doing like I was I was I was changing I was doing going for like ava unit one colors on my anthem um Whatever and uh Back in the when the demo first came out and I remember it was like wait, no people are seeing blue but I'm seeing the purple of the of the ava and all that shit and um It was Ff7 actually so because I switched from my pc to the ps4 and back and forth You know and whatnot and like I plugged a ff7 r out of the Elgato and into the tv directly and loaded it up between
Starting point is 00:46:08 um Sessions of whatever and like I saw the fucking colors just hit me completely different and I went fuck Yeah, that's the Elgato was robbing and robbing the depth fairly common thing you're using the the What do you call it hd 60s you're using the the the box ones, right? So the the the when you start when you have an integrated like pc like desktop capture card um The one that I have right now it has proper pass through and it has uh all that shit, but it does not
Starting point is 00:46:45 Do hdr, but once I switched to the capture card instead of the capture box that that color shit Fucking went away I'm not okay when you once it's plugged in To your mobo directly. Yeah, it's it's going into the back of my pc now Uh, I have no idea why in particular the capture card is doing a better job of that than the capture device I I mean Would the usb power?
Starting point is 00:47:17 May you know be The difference there versus drawing directly from the system I don't know if somebody uh in chat just said pc i e versus usb, which makes sense. There's no there's less exact So then there you go exactly if you're using p. Yeah, so that that's that's that's the that's the guess Um more power to draw from the pc i express Like I have an hdr tv and boy, I wish I could play games in hdr on my sony playstation, but like I'm not gonna fucking tear apart the pass through every single fucking time I Do that shit that's a massive fucking pain in the ass is how often I stream games
Starting point is 00:47:49 Yeah, and I'm also I'm doing a double like I'm doing a pass through and I'm catching the pass through on a second, uh device Uh, uh, what's it called? The fucking what uh the the Gamer the avar media like self-contained capture is what's Catching the stream pass through and then spitting that back out for for youtube without any of the overlay or any of that stuff Give me a fucking hdr pass through device and I'll I'll get it right. I'll buy it right the fuck now Do it but hey They're not gonna do it
Starting point is 00:48:27 Do you think there's a chance they'll um I could see the ps5's like twitch integration More or less being like okay fucking just run obs now Like I could see it I could see it actually like adding that That capability in which case then you know, um every stream that's running off of someone's direct console is not going to have The exact same look, you know in that case you can kind of set it up a little bit Probably gonna lean into that somewhat
Starting point is 00:48:59 Website right now the highest end is still the 4k pro It's like I want the four I will give me my hdrs Give me um Any other Any other improvements on what we've got going on right now battery life on controllers was pretty solid um No real complaints about that that's
Starting point is 00:49:28 That's good. That's that's more or less a solved problem in my opinion I feel like um The standardization of usbc Is on everything is the biggest fucking step up we can get yeah I'm so done. I'm done with the usb usb the usbb micros I'm fucking done with them. I'm Beyond exhausted so many of those cables. It's unbelievable the graveyard. There's a grid. There's a wire graveyard You know of just like
Starting point is 00:50:08 All of these broken little metal nubs that fucking They're made to break so that they don't break the port I get it It's a bit of the logic that goes into like why a car crumples so badly in accidents these days Because all the kinetic energy is directed to the car and the windshield and thus not to you So that the old sturdy car doesn't fucking Tank the hit and you go bouncing around and splatter against everything instead. It makes the car fall apart and not you inside so
Starting point is 00:50:42 It's literally like it's the idea of like this cheap replaceable wire is the most It's the most affordable part so that's not gonna Last as long as like the port should for example, but It just it got so flimsy over the fucking last decade that i'm just I can't stand it man Yeah I don't know I feel like um there's been That problem like on every single device every single device that uses the usb b micro
Starting point is 00:51:19 It has just like fucking flattened the wires Completely and I see some people saying they haven't had that problem. If you haven't had that problem, then that's good for you. That's nice um It has nothing to do with throwing your controllers It has everything to do with as you insert The the plug every time you insert the wire into the console into the controller into the device The two metal nubs sticking out Flatten and they weaken and the integrity of the bent point where they are like basically like curved upwards is going to
Starting point is 00:51:53 Get weaker and weaker and weaker every time you use it until eventually they don't work Not unlike an ethernet cable where the little nub of plastic breaks off You know what i'm talking about? Oh, yeah That shit, you know, so That shit. Yeah, like if you haven't had that problem, that's great. That's a wonderful unique experience you can enjoy Meanwhile, the rest of us need a fucking better better quality wire Just And you know, I got a new phone recently
Starting point is 00:52:33 and I use a wireless charger So I don't usually actually deal with usb-c all that often Oh, you know the first time out of the box. I'm like, yeah, I'll plug it in and I'm like, oh, right I didn't have to do the usb shuffle The connection feels solid. I can tell it's not gonna break What a nice And we fucking just race to usb-c as fast as possible
Starting point is 00:53:01 Please Yeah, um I'm still on an iphone so it's got the you know the proprietary on that but that can you you can plug it in either way The lightning port I believe it's called can be used like either orientation um Pudge mom's got a pixel and that thing, you know, you can usb-c it either orientation We just uh, we need to get past we need to get past this fucking usb-c stage because like You know, I'm looking around and I'm like, yeah, just about
Starting point is 00:53:33 I'm like a number a number of devices here all require it Uh, some of the charging batteries I have for like, you know, the phone recharges and the headset the fucking the the The same both say both that we were talking about, you know, like all of this shit. It still has this just like this vastly inferior You know port on it um And it's lasted longer than I feel like some of the others have Because you know remember remember when um usb
Starting point is 00:54:07 The So mini before micro was mini and mini is the playstation 3 one It's the one that looks like a little like box with a with a A little outcropping at the top there a little like saris Way more durable than micro. It's way more. It's way more durable. Um It but it just kind of like Kind of falls out sometimes. Yep Uh, that's the problem with that one. Is it because it's not any device half the time
Starting point is 00:54:36 It doesn't the So if you remember fucking around with not only when ps3 controllers, but like with um, uh, the uh The yeti microphones the yeti microphones would use it. Fuck out. It just fall out the fucking us You turn it you turn the microphone to face you and the wire is like Do So it's the exact opposite issue. It's like the wire is going to be fine. It's just not going to stay where you put it You know Um, yeah, the micros the micros and the minis are they've got their issues
Starting point is 00:55:15 Sea solves all of that. Haven't had any issues with the sea so far. Let's just Hurry up that process. Hurry up the sea process. I just actually I just did some googling while we're talking Apparently there is totally a fucking capture card that does 4k with hdr. Pass through What's the avermedia one? Oh Live gamer 4k Okay, well, I see I have I have the live gamer like hd Uh, which is not a card on um, it's not a pc. I express card. It's a
Starting point is 00:55:46 self-contained usb with no video Output required. Well, I gotta say The word gamer is getting funnier to me every day It's not going away like it cracks me up Every day when I hear the word gamer I was watching all these fucking I watched the pc show and the ps5 show And they're like we love bringing the freshest new content to gamers and I'm just like Feels gross
Starting point is 00:56:22 At least sony attempted to say players You know they're with their with their branding and marketing power to the players and all that you can kind of distance a little bit How do you do fellow gamers You see that fucking video Some streamer
Starting point is 00:56:48 Just this streamer girl It's talking about like the end of the world hysterically and then it just fades in to some 360 no scope footage It's like what's one of the best things i've ever seen and I don't even oh my god. What was it? Dear god, I it's like It's the most like you want to talk about the epitome of the word gamer You want to talk about the epitome of the word gamer? I need to find this and retweet it immediately so that um You can you can see what i'm talking about Oh
Starting point is 00:57:30 like Let's see. Can I find it really quickly? Hold on. Okay. I think I have a name. I think I have a name Uh Is this correct? Oh somebody in the in the chat just posted it. I think It is yes, yes, absolutely there it is Uh, and yeah, this is one of those things that's let me hit the retweet on that. Fuck. Yeah Hey
Starting point is 00:58:17 Dude This it's like it is I just retweeted it from falco It is like This is what the word gamer means in my head now When you say that word every time you do this clip this clip is what I hear With the music and everything. Oh my god What else do we really need? Just the dankest the dankest 360 no scopes, bro
Starting point is 00:58:48 Oh my god, wow. Wow That that that is how you rise up The animals are dying That's how you fucking rise up dank memes are returning nature's healing Uh, I hate it it takes a while sometimes it takes a while for the internet to use its its meter Yeah, you know it stores that meter up for a while and then some and it takes a second. It's patient It's a fucking keep away. It's a zoner, you know, but when it spends the bar When it spends all that bar
Starting point is 00:59:35 Thanks internet Boy, I love internet Like I hold my phone in my hand and I'm like, I'm holding the internet, you know like Internet Love it I can tell you're watching it and losing it again It's so fucking caucasian bro. Oh man stop playing those things on the vods. You're gonna fuck up
Starting point is 01:00:10 The caucasity Oh, oh, oh, it gives me life. Oh, it gives me life. Fuck. It's so good I can like I could never that's what it is right. It's nowhere inside my body Am I capable of like blending these ingredients into such a delicious meal? It is so outside Everything i'm capable of, you know, I can only stand in awe of that which is not Okay, well anyway, um, please enjoy that. What did you do this week? I
Starting point is 01:01:01 Watched all that shit And then I played dead by daylight with some pals Beat on some newbies that was fun still playing runeterra every day that game's great that game's great You get cards for free It's good Good good game enjoyable. I beat big carding I beat that cinder's ash mod. Sorry cinder's mod for ds3 Okay
Starting point is 01:01:33 That game That mod rather is in a wild state of flux. It's really crazy every week I would I would start the stream and somebody would tell me that I would have to fucking Download a new version of the mod and every single time I would get some crazy like some goofy thing would happen um, like leveling costs would change or like They would rebalance all the spells or whatever when that thing's done. It's going to be incredible but uh, what did it crack and you you you you backed up your save and Oh, you don't have to this is just patch it
Starting point is 01:02:12 Oh, um, and it absolutely cracked me up because I went to the final boss of dark souls 3 and like just stood there and cast like Nine spells and they died and I'm like, you're probably gonna need to tone this down a little bit but uh It was it was a total blast to go through and it because the mod is changing so much It'll probably be a blast to go through again in a couple months Uh, like they added a bunch of new merchants to the game to just add more shit Like just last week in between patches and then one week this character was here and the next week they were gone
Starting point is 01:02:49 It's almost live service. E Uh, but yeah, that cinder's mod is great That cinder's mod is great Uh, somebody in the chat what so you ruined it for yourself. I beat the final boss of dark souls 3 so many times what what shut up Who gives a fuck you dark souls people are crazy
Starting point is 01:03:16 I've actually been playing a lot of dead by daylight with plague Uh, as well as page and It's fun seeing elie like a game but still like Fight to complain You know Okay, he's like was it uh, and he's having a good time But and he's like
Starting point is 01:03:41 Oh, this is just design bad. It's like why? because This i'm so oh You can't help it You must is it is it the loss Part of it. Oh, is it the no, it's just uh, if he if he uh, if he encounters something that he doesn't like It's because it was badly designed Hmm
Starting point is 01:04:11 Well, I'd be I'd be I'd be curious because uh You know, um I I take it I take it at at uh, uh slightly above face value based on the analysis of You know stories and things like that that uh, there's probably more than Uh, uh a basic thought here in in in these complaints, but listen, I'm curious to know what specifically I would be
Starting point is 01:04:42 To To to disagree so strong with you I have I've spent a lot of time Talking to and listening to this man complain You are more familiar in many times with his Treatises Of complaints, I would say right
Starting point is 01:05:08 His excellently crafted Sweet sweet, uh dissections And there's also the uh blood we talked stories and fast woolly We talked stories and story crafting and world crafting uh Back in on woolly will figure it out a little bit as well there too, but uh all this to say buttons Uh I love that guy he's a great guy check my dbd like of grapes Uh, yeah, honestly not much going on with me the games movies tv shows this week because uh
Starting point is 01:05:50 uh The same old as last week and watching all them uh announcement shows Boring So, uh, I had the pleasure of Watching the complete cherry boy that is reggie to the video game industry um Because everything is excitement and everything is like Whoa, and i'm like and reggie is the type of person that marketing teams would fucking wet themselves
Starting point is 01:06:25 To put him in the front row of the audience Because he's just going to have the perfect facial expressions and reactions to zoom the camera in on Not quite, but he's he's got the level of sincere excitement for product that is being introduced Right, and it's it's it's it's quite it's quite fun because i'm like there's a level of absolute cynicism from seeing one too many award shows that permeates I'd say all right, absolutely. I was overcome with it. I was watching the ps5 event Which when I look back on it in uh an attempt to be objective It was pretty all right
Starting point is 01:07:02 They showed a lot of stuff and there was very little fluff especially consider compared to the pc show um Now I have a lot of uh complaints on like my youtube upload because it's like there's no excitement coming off of me anymore um Now for now in my case Four out of five times. I just won't bother Streaming the event That's why you'll notice that's so many times. I'm like i'm just what what would the purpose of this be
Starting point is 01:07:30 There's you know what I mean if there is something it would be a it would be a cool moment for that one thing And there and and there might be a solid hour and a half of general disinterest and malaise okay, that is That is not really you know I mean if people are looking for a hyperreaction to something then I'm not here to bum you out for 45 minutes You know what I mean like I just if I don't care then I don't care um
Starting point is 01:07:54 So that's why I try to uh You know just be like well I'm not going to contribute anything here. So I even bother doing in some cases though Like it is worth it when there's something cool going on. That's a kind of big deal. We're currently Exactly, you know it's but like I generally I'm just like I'm you know, you'll see me in many cases just being like I'll opt out of this if I don't think I have anything to really offer. It's it's a weird place because
Starting point is 01:08:23 a lot of it Like because being jaded at these kinds of announcements Like one, I guess you should be to a degree because they're ads, right? but It's like I remember when chef gershman got called out for like why are you so uh Uh Why you so cynical and it's like because you know enough to be cynical Um because I've been lied to for 20 years somebody in the chat points out correctly
Starting point is 01:08:49 Hard to get hype when the back of your mind is screaming. You are fucking lying to me Um, that's it. There's been a lot of that but more than that Is a thing of expectation and I ran into a very significant A expectation problem with the ps5 event And It is an expect it is an expectation problem that I cannot possibly ask
Starting point is 01:09:17 Almost anyone the audience to actually empathize with which is I'm sitting there with a mental checklist Of shit that I know exists that they could show And I go boy, I sure would be excited if they show Oh, it never showed up Oh, it you know, yada yada, um, or uh, let's say Everyone and their mom didn't know about resident evil eight Right
Starting point is 01:09:48 I would have popped off on that but let's say You know that uh, oh like the demon souls remastered think that's pretty cool Mm-hmm I wouldn't say it's all that so I would say that it's not all that surprising So it didn't really get a giant pop off So, you know, so you Um, um What was cool was the screenshots released afterwards that were really really crisp, right?
Starting point is 01:10:24 So this brings me to Footage those like It was so beautiful when you saw the screenshots. They released afterwards. It was great Compared to what was shown now now and that brings me to my point, which is There was a couple of times when an event would come and go And I just didn't give a fuck so I like I you know, I didn't I didn't watch it But what I would then see is I'd go check the link of the here's the event roundup And I would just be on a page with a bunch of youtube trailers
Starting point is 01:10:58 And then some links to some console pictures and or stats or whatever the case is About whatever was announced and then each one then there'd be some screenshots and I'd be like Oh, this is fucking lovely And I would scroll past what I didn't care about And I would see things that I didn't know and click to check them out and see what's going on And then go right to the things I wanted to see and just and that's how I liked, you know And I was like, oh, that was great. It took me about 15 minutes I got exactly what I wanted out of that. I'm really happy to see the trailer for this
Starting point is 01:11:30 Excited for that and that was it. That was it. It was just the compressed info dump that comes afterwards Trims all the fat and that to me is like Worth it. That's a great experience. You know, I love that feeling even though you miss out on the The the ride and the hype train and some and the gags and the oh here comes somebody walking up to the stage What's he gonna say? Is he gonna say something stupid? Yes, he is you know, it's like Like I just I'm like, god god get me to the fucking shit. Please get me to the shit There it is. I like it good and we're done here, you know, so
Starting point is 01:12:10 um a couple of events that that turned into a a list of youtube trailers to me were um Like kind of they kind of spoiled me in the sense that I was like, I prefer this infinitely over this event You watch the pc one No boy. No No, that would have been much better in the format you describe Legitimately embarrassing the whole way through Skits Little little interviews of what with shitty webcams
Starting point is 01:12:48 Do the only time I've ever watched one of those was the one where they did the talk show thing that and that was with Uh, when we were all doing it and and like I was just like, okay, what what's the what are we doing here? You know, so I don't I don't know how much you you paid attention to that event while it was happening but There the pc gamer one wasn't just Like embarrassed like embarrassing and and cringe It also like seriously fucked a dev over Mm-hmm. I did see that. Um, I didn't I didn't saw the show but they had uh
Starting point is 01:13:25 The the the I forget the publishing company feel bad, but uh, you know the the guys who did ultra kill and dusk and all that stuff Um, and then they forgot to show the gloomwood trailer Yeah, that's what it was gloomwood and Then like the gloomwood uh new blood is the the publisher The gloomwood dev hits twitter and goes well There goes my shot to be seen by all those people And then the looks like they forgot then the pc game the gamer fucking twitter cat goes stick around after the Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit
Starting point is 01:14:01 It's like Dude that Because no what happened what happened was Like there was that tweet right the guy was like guess they forgot me. Oh, well that was my chance And then stick around and then they're like oh shit They caught that and then at the end they played the trailer for gloomwood and then someone was like what the fuck this isn't bloodborn And he's like i'm so so sorry that you thought this was going to be bloodborn. I didn't want this to happen And he was just like
Starting point is 01:14:35 Replying super sadly to the person who was like You know like hyping themselves for something that didn't happen because they thought it was a big old Yeah, you got access to a uh Uh browser right now Sure type in not bloodborn.com Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Mm-hmm
Starting point is 01:15:08 All right loading Oh my god, oh Jesus It links to the fucking gloomwood. Yeah, there's there's also not fortnite.com which goes to dusk Uh, there's there's like a devil make quake.com which goes to ultra kill That's sad It's really funny. That's sad Well, again, it's not this guy's fault thing is when they announced like go to go find gloomwood at at not not bloodborn.com Nothing
Starting point is 01:15:51 Is the hey, you know what? I know I know exactly how to explain to people why I have little excitement for many of these award shows anymore To anyone who watched the pc gaming show The pc gaming shows big pop that had like a uh fucking person interrupt I think was greg miller interrupt the show to announce was hey guys Persona for golden is coming to steam
Starting point is 01:16:22 Despite the fact that it went live on steam an hour prior and people were buying it and playing it when that announcement happened Yeah, that was wild um Was that announced in any way shape or form was that it that was a completely out of nowhere Beaked via steam database five days ago Okay, okay Hey The vita can now Finally no wait crisis core
Starting point is 01:17:00 Don't worry. We'll get to play all of crisis core in a flashback and ff7 remake part two Wait, no that was psp. Yeah it was Okay, the vita can finally fade The vita can finally fade away You see that, you know the one of like the dog going to heaven. It's like was I a good boy? Was I a good console? It's like nah You're okay. You're you're okay Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 01:17:27 Freedom wars freedom war is right more amasses on other consoles. What are you talking about? That's a shit Or is it or was the Does the vita have the exclusive episodes and dlc stuff? Yeah more amassos was on I loaded up that percent of for golden port and it's the dlc is only on the v Okay, yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of cool vita dlc that came for it before g port is Pretty state. It's pretty solid. It's not the best pc port, but it's pretty good I saw some really bad screenshots of someone's game fucking up. Yeah, that seems to be models case by case basis
Starting point is 01:18:11 It's not wide models and like tripping out and just dying and falling apart faces and textures It's very unfortunate. However, it is a pc port made by internal atlas japan That is The biggest weird surprise was that people were able to figure out. Yeah, this was an internal thing with uh In combination with another another studio It said so like yeah, and they didn't outsource it to In its entirety to anyone test game company looks like yeah Seeing that game run at 60 at eight k
Starting point is 01:18:51 And yes, I did mean that the game can run at eight k Is absolutely fucking weird looking Because you can run that game at 4k resolution or whatever a resolution you want and you can kick that render scale up to 200% And it and it can run at I think it has like an upper limit of like 160 frames a second um and like it it is smooth and sharp And that is a atlas two game and it is like it's you know, you remember the conversation we were just happening Having about how like just give us high res like good frame rate. Um
Starting point is 01:19:35 ps2 games This is like an alternate future Is atlas Was it was atlas ever like um Like contract bound to sony um no in any way So there was always just their own choice as to like atlas has never been contract bound to anyone They just decide to put a game out on one platform and then never again
Starting point is 01:20:03 So one guy says it's just a vita port. What's the big deal? Well um Really easy answer to that question persona for and persona for uh original versus golden is Night and day when it comes to the amount of extra content that was put into it a voice actor was completely replaced uh an entire Like chunk of the game exists exclusively In the golden it makes demon Uh fusion way easier. It adds extra characters and confidant links. It adds
Starting point is 01:20:38 Like so so so much in the same way that royal added to p5 more than that is that it's one of the best games that's ever come out It's one of the best games that's ever come out and it was only playable On the vita if you had a vita or a vita tv So for the longest while one of the best persona games ever Was completely inaccessible to most people due to its prohibit like just like Due to sitting on on on uh a fucking vita so
Starting point is 01:21:08 The fact that it's now available to the rest of the world in a very uh Uh open format which is on pc which guess what a lot of people have a pc Is a pretty important step and a big deal Because it's one of the best persona games and now people can play it. I'm following a guy I mean a lot of people on twitter who's modding it and uh progress is a lot of vast A lot of people went out of their way To track it down to play it on the vita because it's that good. It's worth it to track it down and do it
Starting point is 01:21:43 But a lot of people that didn't Now have the opportunity So yeah, that's You know that it's like Fucking amazing game that that was really hard to get your hands on is now available. That's that's the end of that Shouldn't be that uh much of a mystery, you know, but it is a mystery. Um a murder mystery Bump bump bump It would be nice it would be nice if atlas decided to you know, uh treat the pc as a
Starting point is 01:22:14 Proper place to put their shit from now on and Collect all that money all that free money that would come with taking The product they've already made and just putting it in the other place where people want to give them money for it Because it seems Seems seems like a weird thing when you're not Bound to the platform like if sony paid for part of the game's development As we saw with you know, um Fucking death stranding
Starting point is 01:22:49 Right like you can understand why a game would go through those hoops But even death stranding ended up getting ported later on So why would atlas without getting any of that? Big old exclusive dollars Um kneecap themselves from getting tons of money off of a pc port on their games I think the craziest thing is apparently p4. Sorry p5 scramble Strikers um
Starting point is 01:23:18 didn't sell that grade on the switch and They were baffled and that's like That is a To a game that is not on the console you put it on Wait the muso game came out. Yeah in japan Oh Fuck okay. I was like, whoa. Uh, okay. Yeah, right and it's like
Starting point is 01:23:42 And and they seem it's quite possible. They're taking the fucking result from that of I guess uh I guess switch players don't like atlas games Um scramble is also a ps4 in japan. That's weird. Oh god. Wait, it's not coming to ps4 here I'm I don't understand. I don't understand just put atlas is so it's so confusing to me because like Again, clearly if you've got it. Well now now that we know they've they've done it internally Like it would be so baffling if they continued to not
Starting point is 01:24:23 Follow this trend up by putting another shit on pc as well because again, it's free money It's free money for the work you've already done And no one's paying you to not collect that money If someone was paying you to stay here and not go get the money over there Then you'd make a little bit more sense, but it's not if that's not what's happening. Then why not just go get the money It's on the table The table is heaving it's bending About to break retweeted the guy just the other day, which is like atlas might be the most
Starting point is 01:24:57 Stubborn you have all this money. Why won't you make it company in the entire games business? It is totally baffling Like how long since golden? Nine years eight years Almost a decade 2012 Like one of their most popular titles ever made
Starting point is 01:25:38 One of the most popular games they've ever made also wait any six months to a year for your translation On every game and and like and in the meantime They're fucking running skyrim On a pregnancy test You know like they're porting Like like it's just why why can't atlas have a little bit of that of that That coward juice. Why can't we get a little bit of the Todd juice going?
Starting point is 01:26:13 You know I don't I don't get it Like put out smt3 with like some convenience features on the pc right now for $30 and people will buy it You see that like p4g like broke sales records for jrpgs on steam and of course it did Of course it did Like it's crazy How'd that happen Who would why would pc players want to buy our rpg?
Starting point is 01:26:52 Like just just the like look at that for a second. It's 2012 The most popular rpg they've ever made In in in this franchise game that completely changed their direction as a as a company And it sat on the vita for eight years Why do you hate money? Why the weirdest thing? Some people are pointing out that atlas is a very small company and that's true But that very small company
Starting point is 01:27:26 was able to license out An anime two runs of an anime series A shit zillion merches et cetera You could have given it to a decent port company and they would have done it All right, like there are so many People are pointing out even more indignified smt4 and smt4 apocalypse are just stuck on the 3ds Yeah, you can ever like thank god on like the vita, but
Starting point is 01:28:06 But it's like, you know, it's just like we're not talking about like It's it's like if you when we talk about like Marie and like all these characters that show up like again immensely popular Tons of awareness as to who these characters are because that many people just went out to go track down a vita So they can fucking play the thing. Um And you versus something like a random side port on a con on a on a on a handheld of like okami den Right like no if I asked you about name me some characters from okami den No one could do anything about that because no one fucking knows, you know
Starting point is 01:28:43 Like it's it's a case of just like Very cut and dry. You've seen the effort people have been willing to go to for so long You know and it just like I get that they're not a giant company with all the capability to like shove it on everything And that's fine But like the single rudimentary pc port that would be the basis for like, okay Someone hears about this franchise and goes great. That's cool. I should track this down What should I do like just having a single version of it on a something relevant that they can go back to It just doesn't make any sense that you wouldn't this field and I'm like sega told them to do it
Starting point is 01:29:26 If it's on pc it lives forever exactly Exactly the sega has been pushing the pc very strongly for a long time I want to say since 2008 more and more their stuff is coming on pc um, I will point out again the absolute insanity that I have Uh, yakuza 7 wish listed on steam right now Right
Starting point is 01:29:54 The the most japanese games that have ever existed are all slowly coming to steam Um, and they sold really well there It makes me feel like it's the and sega does the total warhammer stuff sega does the the football manager shit Those are all big on pc. I feel like at some point someone from sega said make a fucking pc port of something And see if it sells And then we'll give you resources to you know pc shit up in the future fuckers I don't know why but for some reason I feel like Even though I'd already given up on the idea of ultamax
Starting point is 01:30:38 getting ported Officially, I should say because I know people have found their there are there arcade ways. Um I feel like this thing has somehow pushed the date of never further ahead For some reason like ultamax is triple hard never get confirmed to ever get ported to steam ever So I could really go for p5 ultamax well
Starting point is 01:31:13 Come on no matter how much awesome concept art of cop g a gets shared around on twitter Just give your hopes up it's bad time for cop g a willy Yeah, but she's wearing green and black so She can Look like she's just one of those crazy street justice superheroes instead of an actual cop
Starting point is 01:31:41 Well anyway Yay atlas congratulations You've walked over to the table I would say in the analogy of dipping your toe into the pool I would say congrats on looking at the pool All chies are bastards wow That's uh, it's true. Um Well anyway
Starting point is 01:32:13 I Should I I guess set a narca am I right? Hey I've got um, I've got a week. Oh, yeah a week occurred. Mm-hmm What's up Well first I watched fight on the killer instinct story And I would like to recommend that to folks because it is Uh, it's been a long time in the making and it's a very cool
Starting point is 01:33:01 documentary by um One estaban of hold back to block And it is uh fucking great. It's a look at how killer instinct was made as a doc Uh over the years starting with the first games obviously and then kind of working its way to the the 2013 game and um Yeah, I don't know it. It was just like there's some shit that you learn in that that I had no idea about like the the the the inspiration that ken lob Had back in the day for um
Starting point is 01:33:40 Combos in the ki system actually came from Uh dragon in world heroes and his two-in-one hit where you'd hit he'd do an elbow into a Into like a backfist and um And then the other thing that inspired him was kim kapuan super in fatal fury So, you know kim's what? Yes, or the ryaku rambu style supers that s and k does where You land it you do the big flurry and then the finish
Starting point is 01:34:17 That is what inspired the idea of doing uh large stylish combos in ki And so he breaks it down a little bit more of how like you know, and then obviously the sitting back and watching that take places Uh, you know because you're gonna need some way to interrupt that so it goes into how um Uh the combo breakers came to be and like um, yeah a lot of A lot a lot of cool things you learn about you know Ki one and then so on and going going forward and then by the end you kind of just see like some of the stuff that I completely Forgot that happened when ki the the new one was at its height
Starting point is 01:34:57 There was some real good shit like Most japanese companies when they make a fighting game are like afraid to detail why they make changes and what's going on and here um You had a case of It was the ki world cup finals and they did I completely forgot because I remember this was so hype when I saw it and I forgot This happened they had the patch notes for the new version of the game um
Starting point is 01:35:27 They went through every single character and walked through the changes publicly live In front of an audience on stage and you got to watch as everyone saw their characters getting nerfed and buffed And the live reactions as people popped off for what they could or couldn't do anymore Were amazing like one of a kind event where like you'd just be like, okay, so here's uh, Well, here's sedira or here's uh orchid and here's what we did You know and then like you see some new shit that she can do now like oh Fuck she can go from the slide into an uppercut and like everyone just goes And then like everyone like the camera pans over to like all the orchid players and they're huddled in a corner like
Starting point is 01:36:16 You know and like it's like the most you get to feel the excitement of like um Anytime you've watched the trailer with the audience reactions on you know like the snake reveal or You know the twilight princess reveal a lot of that fun stuff You get to enjoy like sort of watching a group of players Just losing their minds over these updates as they slowly show you the the patch list, you know It was a fucking great event and i'm like man Every other company is way too fucking coward
Starting point is 01:36:51 To allow The audience to be there to like react And like and or criticize their decisions Yeah, there's a lot of page readings that would like knives would come out If if they were read to a live audience They would never make it a a a fun communal event because they they take the shit so seriously That like any criticisms would probably be like oh fuck. Oh, that's bad. Um, we don't want a lot. We don't want people to you know Come come we don't want we don't want players to point out decisions. We've made as like bad
Starting point is 01:37:31 With sound reasoning that makes it look like we don't know what we're doing So we're just going to say adjustments have been made to this character and um damage has been reduced And they just won't tell you the specifics because they want to fucking hold this plausible deniability, you know patch notes that Like because that you're describing the highest end, which is like listen. We got we got the people here They can yell at us He they they can yell at us that that changes bullshit And we're here and we can see them Uh, that's the ultimate. I can't think of anything that tops that
Starting point is 01:38:07 At the very least I think that For as shit as blizzard is nowadays and as shit as riot has always been The way that you do a patch note where you go We're adjusting, you know, uh fucking misfortunes damage or or bladmere's card health or whatever, right? And you give like a little explanation. It's like, okay. Well this card sucks Right, there's a card in runeterra of bladmere. He used to have I think five five health and now he has six six It's like this card sucked. He would get killed by this guy this guy this guy this guy this guy Uh, we juiced him a little bit. We don't think it'll affect his balance, but it'll make him feel a little bit like
Starting point is 01:38:45 You know, it's it's worse. Sorry. He's a better card that there's also the the ultimate worst Which has a purpose to it, which is the call of duty way of balancing, uh guns What do they do? Uh, there's two things that they've done one. They've announced that guns have been nerfed and not changed them Uh, and those and those guns will then be worse Oh Oh, wow Yo, that's fucking sick
Starting point is 01:39:26 Oh the fake nerf You hit him with the fake nerf the placebo Which placebo balance which has been fold up by occasional stealth nerfs Oh, that's godlike. I love it. They nerf guns in very minor ways, but don't tell you what they just never literally never mention it Okay, which has created a situation in call of duty games in which when a patch comes out You you you're like, is this is this gun worse?
Starting point is 01:40:03 And even if they say it's worse, you're not sure I can't believe I can't believe you just described the scenario that now has me partially in favor of my patch notes lying to me Well, you know what happens, right? The fans wow these to date they I don't think they've ever been intentional I think they've always been mistakes in which they they announce a nerf And then yeah, it's just not in the changelog It's just not in the in the patch
Starting point is 01:40:35 and Every time they announce the nerf for a gun and it doesn't actually go through People describe the gun performing worse and usage statistics drop drop through the floor Oh Riot I think with league has done that where like balance changes have not actually gone through despite being announced And pick rates go down Like enormously. Oh, wow because plus balance is a fact like Um, what's what's the word I'm looking for? Um
Starting point is 01:41:07 Not impression Your your your perception your perception of balance is just as important as balance 100 a good example back in old overwatch Was may may was balanced, but she felt horribly unbalanced to play against because she would freeze you in place And that sucks. It yes. Yeah, your inability to move Felt way less fun than the actual loss of of of time. It is fair. It doesn't feel fair Therefore, it's not fair Like it's it's weird. It's a whole it's a whole fucking thing. I totally totally. Yeah, your your perception of it totally
Starting point is 01:41:51 I understand that. Um, that is the art of and that's the art of game design to be perfectly honest. Um, it's it's why things that it's why enemies that get harder to fight in games like doom eternal and uh devil may cry are a welcome addition Whereas things that limit your ability and how you can fight them and or take away your ability to play Are awful and less fun like sticky goop. It's right control decks are trash Fuck you control deck users
Starting point is 01:42:31 Uh, so so that is Fucking like gas nerfing. You're just you're gas nerfing people Into thinking something is better or worse and it's fucking not That's wild and i'm kind of interested in the data. You know on something like that um What I was gonna say was that I always praise um rising thunder and um
Starting point is 01:43:01 Uh uh dawn of war for having the most transparent and comprehensive patch notes In terms of just like their willingness to explain to you the minutia of what they've done In the case of dawn of war, it's literally giving you like, um Is giving you the changes to damage variables with like if i'm not mistaken with decimal points You know um And like my like and if you're if you're a data cruncher you love that shit Whereas rising thunder would just like I said, uh give you the this was the intended use of this button
Starting point is 01:43:37 Here's what actually happened when it got used and here's what we're changing to encourage the intended result um Keats gives a really good example of uh of of like balancing at the core source when it comes to um Uh killer instinct as well. There's a really nice part where they can't they talk about how like An experiment with like open being open about balancing and things like that like how the how the perception sometimes will
Starting point is 01:44:08 uh be Uh confusing so like uh like he'll describe how for example jago was a character that like was complained about because um, he had an ability that allowed him to heal Uh by using fireballs or it early on in the game just by walking around in some cases Like it was it was kind of nuts and people were like what the fuck right? Why is this uh like why is this so strong? um And then it kind of goes on to describe that like it's a thing where like people are just like yeah
Starting point is 01:44:36 he needs to they need to address this thing they need to address this thing. This is kind of the problem um and He then says he's like well, we like to diagnose The issue and then treat the symptom Not the cause right and he's like so when we looked at it what you actually ended up seeing was It's like why why is this what is the problem with jago here? It's like well, it's because he's um, he's unfun to fight because this You know he has this this ability and this happens, but what's actually happening is that um
Starting point is 01:45:06 he is Really he has no real bad matchups and he's quite safe at Far and close range and in mid-range where he would have a problem He's got a move that allows him to close the distance immediately and Get out of that range with and it's a safe move. So if you block it he loses nothing right So basically it's like there's one place where he's bad at but he can get out of that for free every time
Starting point is 01:45:36 Thus he's never he's never forced to stay where he's bad. So Uh what they did was they're like instead of addressing what people were directly complaining about they changed that kick so that he could no longer get out of his bad his his his his the area that was his best his worst place to be in for free And then they announced that and the people people kind of went back. This is not what we asked for fuck off That's terrible. That sucks. It's not the change but then
Starting point is 01:46:05 As the season went at came out and time went on the complaints went down Because he was not winning as hard because they dealt with the symptom and not the cause right, you know Um, I'm not the effect rather. So, um, there's there's these little things where you just kind of go like man Like yeah, it is a hard job to kind of figure that shit out Um, but I like the audacity of just doing it openly in a forum in front of everybody At an event because it's so fun to watch and like as they go through the reasoning and they give it to you Oh, then like, you know, everyone can react and say what they want to say and go through it, but um It's just something that fighting games never had and never had again and never and probably never will
Starting point is 01:46:49 At the rate things are going, you know But like the fight on documentary covers a lot of that shit and like it's it's super. It's a lot of fun to learn about Um I think about Like just diving deep on the dev diving deep on like the particularly I have the patch No, things stuck on my head and in my background And that was sorry in the back of my mind. All I can think of is The smash ultimate patch notes, which address the cause sorry address the cause not the symptoms. Yes
Starting point is 01:47:23 I said the wrong thing. I misspoke. I'm sorry for smash ultimate It's like various characters have been adjusted And that's the whole thing Or when you or when you fucking get a patch and it's like various bug fixes Go to hell Don't even talk to me I don't even want to talk to you at all Various adjustments have been made
Starting point is 01:47:53 Was just like I wanted to fucking kick my computer, dude I wanted to kick my fucking like You just shut up Literally just don't even say it. Don't even talk to me. Just fuck off Why are you even bothering to put the note like shut up? And then people will go through what they have to go through to figure out Excuse me piece by piece. What's different? They'll they'll see what frame data changed or what didn't they'll check the hit boxes to see what changed We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Thanks for nothing. But like you you're giving like
Starting point is 01:48:31 Less than zero information about this and you're just saying I was a fucking we don't want it's the worst It's the worst, you know, so anyway, that's off the point um The documentary goes into a lot of that and it goes into Some other really fun design elements and things that like now that we can hear about how it how it went down It makes sense about how like tj combo when when double helix Stepped out of the picture and amazon kind of bought them and then iron galaxy stepped in for season two
Starting point is 01:49:06 And it was like, ah, fuck. Damn it. Okay. Well, what what's gonna happen here? You know, like everyone at double helix was like, yeah, that wasn't great We weren't too happy about that. But what are you gonna do with no control over the situation? And then iron galaxy steps in and they're like, okay. Well, we got this We've done some good stuff and then like the first thing they do is drop the tj combo Like dlc for the next character and he's like his lips aren't moving and he's got some really rough animations Everyone's like, oh god. Oh god. This is it's done. It's over and then you kind of find out behind the scenes It's like yeah microsoft gave them
Starting point is 01:49:42 Four weeks to make this character Like from scratch They had the outline forum and they had four weeks How long is it how long could it take like like you get you make the model like a day And then you just put the moves in and then you're done, right? And it's uh, you know, you're done So You're just like, oh my fucking god The fact that he came out in any way
Starting point is 01:50:07 playable and you know and and like Decently added in with the idea of the character working is a miracle at this point every single It's a fucking miracle every single thing. But at the time we were just like up is a miracle like that Yeah, but it was just like it was one of those things where it was it was it was actually a cotor 2 type moment Of like you did what with what time? Yeah But at the time all we knew about was like first character botch, you know
Starting point is 01:50:38 um Like i'm sure if we went down to uh fucking ea and got somebody off the bioware team To talk about anthem, right? And we'll find the guy it's like dude. I can't believe that game even shipped Like it was a fucking It is an unbelievable triumph that that game even came out at all, right? When you find the backstory, you know, when you get the information of like, oh my god, they they did miracles like they fucking
Starting point is 01:51:11 grind it out Uh, what should have been like a long amount they did they did three years worth of work in like, you know Uh 14 months and they they spit out a game that unfortunately only gets good once you put the restored content back in you go Oh, fuck. Okay. I get it. I get it. I understand, you know Um, yeah, so it's so interested to talk to you when you go back and you find out exactly what wasn't there Oh, oh, i'm already aware of some of them and i've already hit the most upsetting one Um, i'm at the like in kotor 2 at least the the the point at which and this is like whatever
Starting point is 01:51:55 I'm not going to spoil anything if I can avoid it But there's a point at which characters literally just vanish from the party with no explanations. Let's go That is the worst it is it's the worst i've ever seen I've like that was the most upsetting thing the most upsetting thing i've experienced in a game like that almost ever Like not even an attempt at shitty resolution One like not even a poochie poochie got done better because we saw poochie leave We saw poochie leave and his cell got pulled out I'm talking about the moment this cutscene ends
Starting point is 01:52:33 You no longer have a character on your team Cuz um Fuck Dear the back half of the game you're gonna have like a real ending and Um What is absolutely mind blowing and i'm sure veal pointed out is that the final planet In the original it was just like a series of teleporting rooms And like you would you would be teleporting like
Starting point is 01:53:05 All over the place like you there's scenes in orbit and there'd be scenes on the planet and it like This guy is here. How did he get there? Just You know like it's almost almost like a more extreme version of rise of skywalker The restored content so far is like miraculous, you know Especially when i'm watching a moment and then right at the end of it It's like by the way that was not in the original and i'm like, oh my god that is context for why events occur
Starting point is 01:53:39 And without that moment this thing makes no sense and it's like yep 14 months Anyway, so um Watch fight on um It's it's really good, uh, Esteban did a great job He's been like banging away at it for nine months and the baby's now born and uh, go give a go give a a fucking A sub of love to hold back to block
Starting point is 01:54:04 and um, what we also did was like You know perfectly in conjunction with that. Uh, hey the game happened to be on sale Uh for this week because microsoft is like, oh We did a uh get into fighting games where we labbed it up And we learned about some characters and we went and went back to ki and it's the when you watch the doc like You really like it puts the fucking feeling of like dammit. I should boot this game up and play You know you walk out of that like yeah, I absolutely am in the mood to play some ki And so I did I played a bunch of ki this week. Um jumped back online and um
Starting point is 01:54:41 I'm coming at it with a with a new character. I'm doing everything I can with agonis The big stone golem. Yeah, I love agonis as an idea because he's the most you one of the most unique fighting game characters I've ever seen the um like the feeling of kicking a bitch through multiple walls Is it is like unlike anything else, right? Um for those who are unfamiliar Um Agonis is the heavy in in the game. There's a couple of them, but he's the heaviest by far And the idea was let's make a big old boy but
Starting point is 01:55:19 He's not going to be a grappler Because big old boy always equals grappler, but in this case they're like no remember juggernaut Juggernaut was a big old fucking heavy and he was just hitting you hard So let's find a way to to like, you know design around that and what they came up with What they came up with is like a character that Will never exist again Let's be real He will never exist again. It's like
Starting point is 01:55:48 Unique in his mechanics, right? It's a it's a rock golem made of like different parts Just kind of held together by magic and um it has four Chunks rock chunks of uh that you can put inside your chest as you play And each one gives you a hit of armor that you can tank But they also allow you to do his moves. So each one is can be a fireball Each one can be a hit of armor
Starting point is 01:56:19 Each one can be used to like for example, he spits it out and then punches it and then it breaks apart like a shotgun It's pretty great And uh As you put them in your body and add more you move slower because you get heavier So when you have no armor, you can very quickly walk around like normal speed like a big well You're like a big boy. Yeah quick for a bit of quick for a big boy You know, but you can walk around at a normal speed and as you add the rocks into your body You get really slow, but heavily armored, you know
Starting point is 01:56:55 So yeah, you can spit the rocks out as moves. You can use them to take armor hits Which allows you to just like take a hit and then dish one back while ignoring the the stagger that you usually would have and most fun of all Is you can use them to put a wall down in the middle of the stage Either behind your opponent or behind yourself and not in between stage smaller So I can force you to be trapped in here with me Rorschach style and have a like you can't get away from me now I'm a big boy and your only thing is to break this wall by making me fall down three times
Starting point is 01:57:39 Or for me to punch you through the wall Or combo you into it, you know So you just kind of like have this really fun system of like I have all these chunks I can do all these different things with it including change the size of the stage And force you into close quarters And if I have my back to a wall that I've put down I can grab the wall and use it like a club in my hand Which then gives me a big old extra ranged heavy hit
Starting point is 01:58:11 That moves fast swing just Or I can throw it at you. So I'm just like, oh my god This character is so Interesting on a mechanical level because he doesn't play like a fighting game character at all He plays like something like a boss in a weird game that can put up walls and limit your ability to move and you know Like the way doom bosses will put up a hallway that forces you to jump over there their beams, you know Um, and I'm like, I just want to learn how to play this guy I want to learn how to do this because like this is going to be unique to this game forever
Starting point is 01:58:42 And uh, yeah, like I've I've managed to get through the rankings. I'm doing all right Um, way worse than I was when I last played the game I was about to ask like you you left off ki a long time ago Yes, and my my uh, I was doing really rough at first In uh, when I was playing online against people But like I'm starting to get back into it and I'm starting to like do a lot better my my I think my last my last ranking record was like eight and two you know and um, just sticking with aghanos and trying to remember
Starting point is 01:59:18 What the animations of the game looked like so that I can use the right combo breakers, you know Killer instinct man. It's a lot of fun playing on your xbox Playing on pc now. Okay. How's match times on that? Um match times are like the hours I was playing at were some that like kind of had me stuck fighting the same guy Like a bunch of matches in a row. Okay, so like It was unfortunately pretty slow to get a match up when there was not that many people online, you know That that's the reality of it is is uh, sometimes I'd get a couple matches back to back other times It would be you know about a minute maybe two
Starting point is 01:59:58 Oh, that's not bad all things considered Um, the longest I've had was about five minutes waiting for a match. I'd say um But like I was also playing at like three in the morning and just kind of you know And with cross play on you know, but um, it's got rollbacks. So once you do start a match and you start playing with people You're great. You're good, you know, like no connection issues whatsoever because yeah K. I built with rollback in mind and it fucking works I should try and get my pals back in a k. I
Starting point is 02:00:31 play some casual matches Go watch them go watch the the dock first so that you can feel it in your fucking in your bones, you know get the juice in you Um, but uh, yeah, k. I is a lot of fun to come back to and I realized too like there's a bunch of shit that I'm like Oh man, I unlocked so much on the on my original xbox save But now it's all gone on my on my pc save. So I'm kind of starting from scratching away but uh It it you know, there was a there was a lot of people that kind of said like Yeah, like I'll wait for k. I had to be done, you know, and um as the documentary kind of points out
Starting point is 02:01:07 It's like well, it's done. It's a pretty good game and You know it you can you can get it pretty cheap right now and it's a fuck ton of fun And it works. So there's there's there's nothing but good times ahead on that And it's gonna be at Eva. So why not? Why not go brush up? So I had a lot of fun with that this week Alternating between uh matches of teppen and uh and ki as I waited here and there Yeah, honestly having a decent card game on your phone or honestly just good phone game makes a lot of the fighting game Pain of match making time go away
Starting point is 02:01:48 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It uh Gives you occupied and then although of course like if you're playing a ranked match then you you can't fucking You know, you got to finish that shit. I'll throw my card game away to get in a fighting game match Okay, well, I'm I'm trying to crack that top 100. So um every like loss has hurt a lot more you know Excuse me and then the other thing that's really fun in in ki2 is the way it's online ranking mode works Where you do 10 placement matches And then after those 10 matches, it'll determine whether you go to uh bronze silver
Starting point is 02:02:28 gold You know and then um You can work your way up from each bottom league up to higher and higher and higher You never fall back below the the the level you're at. Yeah um And once you make it up to gold Uh, if you make it out of gold you then get into the killer bracket, which Is where like, uh, you can fight amongst like the top players to try and get to the top 32
Starting point is 02:02:55 You know and there's like a tournament sort of two out of three setting that that kicks in automatically and a lot a lot of fun stuff so Anyway, that's killer instinct Um And yeah, you know beyond that like still um Still chipping away at at core. I'll talk a little bit more about that in the future and
Starting point is 02:03:16 Uh, yes, doom eternal. I am done now. You finished doom eternal You can't just shoot a hole in mars, dude Fucking did it Fucking did it Funny how the game um So i'm gonna now spoil doom eternal as i'm talking about it if you don't want to hear any store If you don't want to hear any plot or story spoilers about doom tune out now But we'll leave the story
Starting point is 02:03:42 And if you tune in after i've given you this warning i i'm sorry i i can't i don't know what to say Okay, so in terms of doom eternal it's kind of interesting how they hint at even more Shit and then don't explain it in regards to sam hayden In particular the massive retconning of his origin story We get a full-on cutscene where he is the seraphim that makes you
Starting point is 02:04:16 And he is not from Uh argent dener and he is not from We don't know where he's from but like when he gets when you get to Udack and he's like isn't it beautiful and you're like wait, you've been here before the fuck um And and the idea is of course that uh, you know vega is like, ah, I see I am the father It's like oh you put god on a usb stick and converted it into uh an os and then you try to kill it in the last game Which is also, yeah Which is super confusing
Starting point is 02:04:51 But and then in the last game too. He was a guy who used to be human There's a picture of him on the wall in the game as a human being And um, uh, didn't he it wasn't it cancer, I believe He there was some affliction that he had he was a guy and then And then he could and then he then he transferred his consciousness into a robot except no that was a fake story Yes But yet you may I totally forgot that Yeah, you were about to fucking kill god and then it was doom slayer that backed it up on a stick
Starting point is 02:05:26 Before it was too late so What the fuck I completely forgot about that uh Confusing well, anyway, that was also when he had the confidence to think he could win the fight And as we saw uh, he fucking botched it super hard and lost so um
Starting point is 02:05:46 You know and I was kind of waiting to see like are we gonna have a conversation are we gonna hear? uh Sam have anything to say about how badly it all went down And he's like no, I'll just go to mars get the bfg 10000 We got to do this thing and you're like, oh, okay, sam. He knows he failed. There's not much to say Most importantly, I wanted my fucking sword and I got it And when you pull it out everything vibrates and rumbles and and and It I thought the sword was going to be uh replacement for
Starting point is 02:06:27 The melee button right and uh, it's better than that. It's a whole different thing It's a It's a super super melee button. Yeah, exactly Uh, you get your swing pips of it good stuff I don't know. I think um All in all like those last fights The fight against the con maker Was fucking great, dude
Starting point is 02:06:55 They knew exactly what they wanted you to feel When you play that fight and like the the in the way you do damage is you break the shield down Then you grapple in and they could have just said grapple in and and shoot it or whatever But it's like no you have to grapple in and blood punch Which means this is designed so that you will punch god in the face We've built this boss fight around the idea of shutting this god the fuck up in mid-speech and it's it's great It's really really fun. I eventually uh found a um I got the rhythm down of like
Starting point is 02:07:32 exactly seven rockets of your salvo will Delete the shield and then so you can kind of hit the jump While doing the chrono strike and aiming Uh, you get three off immediately lock on for a second three if you've got the upgrade And do a double jump to keep that like momentum at the highest point And then on the way down you get a last shot off that breaks the shield and then grapple By switching to the super shot before you're done the jump and pull yourself in for the blood punch Magical fucking magical, dude
Starting point is 02:08:08 um And then uh the last fight with the icon of sin is not here was Not as good, but it feels like a better way of Accomplishing what bioshock 2 tried to do So bioshock 1 had a terrible last boss and everyone was like well that was garbage So then they solved quote-unquote the problem by just making it a super wave The super wave was infinitely
Starting point is 02:08:41 Is just an uninteresting way to go about it, but technically yes It did solve the problem of a bad boss Well, doom eternal is the kind of game where it's like, okay We'll give you a wave that you use As momentum to then deal big damage to the big boy who is kind of just another enemy in the room To deal with with a really long multiple life bar kind of situation really long life bar Chunks of armor chunks of skin to deal with
Starting point is 02:09:16 But generous amounts of bfg ammo generous amounts of of sort of uh crucible Pips for you But like I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I thought it was really fun and it was a good test of what was going on Uh with the flow it was make it was a nice exam to make sure that you you had it down And then uh, you know, you would you would make use of everything you had Uh While while he was vulnerable, you know The second phase in particular
Starting point is 02:09:46 Is like the first phase you fight him in is just like the big empty sort of like arena, which is like that's cool The second phase is a tighter arena and it's vertical Yeah, you know, so it tests you on both metrics of like your vertical Navigation abilities and your your your horizontal, you know, so to speak Um all in all man fucking great game Uh really really cool only complaints I have Um besides the obvious Bethesda nonsense
Starting point is 02:10:17 That I've talked about in the in the past. Yeah, the only other complaint I have is that now the music At the end of each encounter doesn't have a little stinger to be like It just kind of fades in and then fades out So you're hunting for any last little imps, but they're all dead So it doesn't have that like pop-off moment that you're looking for so like you in doom 2016 I had these great moments of like, oh shit The room the room is on and then the adrenaline's flying and you're taking everything and on and you're fighting and you're dealing with the problems And and then you finally get it and then the game's like, yeah
Starting point is 02:10:56 Boom, here's the points you got your your weapon upgrades and then like the mick gordon track just kind of fucking You know wraps itself up in a nice little way and I'd be like, yeah Um 2016 had that and an eternal gets rid of it because the dynamic soundtrack just fades out of the top layer And kind of goes back to like that It kind of goes back to that but the fight is over entirely so you're like, oh, okay This is the dynamicness takes away the final stinger. Um and that kind of bugs me It was way it was really cool to have that exclamation mark at the end of the sentence
Starting point is 02:11:32 you know I honestly don't even remember that from doom 2016 soundtrack, but you played them back to back I played them back to back. Yeah. Yeah, so, you know, very much no better than me Um, yeah, and I couldn't use any skins Yeah, but that was a bug woolly Was it? Yeah I thought it was I thought it was because I could I didn't sign in. Yeah, that was the bug It was day one patch where they said, oh, yeah
Starting point is 02:12:00 You're for whatever reason you're not able to get these without signing in if you update the game Then you'll be able to use them without signing in Oh, it wasn't that it wasn't that signing in was mandatory for them. No, it was that you never patched the game I see. Okay. Well, that makes sense Um, so uh Yeah all in all
Starting point is 02:12:25 Fucking fucking good shit, man. Good game Did you even touch the multiplayer aspect at all? I did the tutorial And then I was like, no And it was like, no, thanks Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was fine. Uh, it was fine. Um I do uh I I love the mastery tokens at the end. We're just like, are you done with this guy? I'm done
Starting point is 02:12:58 Good here you go They throw like for you in the last two levels that are just like, all right, we get it No need you want your shield? Here you go. There's tons. There's way more than you would need. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was great. Um And uh, I don't know. I mean, you know the lore was Fucking it was a lot more fun than I than I expected for Something that is, you know started with with doom guy pushing the the lore tablet iPad out of his way. So Um, yeah, that was great. That was fucking solid I see the hooks in place for the sequel. Yeah
Starting point is 02:13:41 um It seems like it'll be a Uh a mick gordonless sequel and I I I feel bad for whoever has to fill those shoes. Yeah It's gonna be very tough very tough shoes to fill And I understand that the situation is a little bit more gray But people have pointed out that you know, like, uh, he's to blame for some of it too, but um All I'm saying is if you have to make his music Stylings in the third game without him, uh, that's hard. That's a hard task. That's all I'm saying
Starting point is 02:14:15 So Also the increased push for Bethesda social network stuff in this reminds me of like Dead Space That's like what they do to that Dead Space one was a Simple ass horror game. It was great. And then Dead Space two is like here's multiplayer. Do you care about it? No Uh, and then Dead Space three was like it's co-op the whole time and micro transactions. It's just like I Can't help themselves man. So so Dead Space was uh visceral, right? Yep. And what uh, and just ea at the height of there
Starting point is 02:14:55 Yep, like meddling And visceral no longer exists Yeah, yeah, I had a friend who worked there Um, it really is kind of miraculous that That things like fall in order were allowed to just be what they were
Starting point is 02:15:15 Oh, yeah, because it's like when it's just like, oh, yeah, this is gonna just be a thing and no other No meddling and everyone's like I don't believe you You know the the anchor man gift just No, they Yeah, yeah, but it seems like they let it happen Well, anyway, um That's doom Court or two should be wrapping up this week
Starting point is 02:15:42 And both will be replaced With some very exciting Fun things that I think people will enjoy Uh, and as usual, uh, wait for the surprise to find out So that is new lp starting tomorrow on woolly versus, uh on twitch And uh, you can watch along with the anime on youtube
Starting point is 02:16:09 Same thing woolly versus And yeah, if um, if court or two wraps up this wednesday, then next Next week we'll have A new lp for that. So a full rotation should be in store for um, the next couple of days
Starting point is 02:16:27 I like when I like when Two games end at the same time Because it it fully feels like a new a breath of fresh air, you know It feels like you've you've you've done a little bit of spring cleaning And now everything and you've opened up the windows and you've gotten some of the dust out And you just you end out on a really cool note in both cases and then you just go All right, let's let some fresh air in here, you know And uh, I got two two breaths of fresh air coming in. So that's yakuza kawami, too
Starting point is 02:16:55 Come on from woolly. That's right Uh, dead souls actually Oh Don't do that one. Mm-hmm. I'm telling you right now. I'd ought to do that one. Well, that's a Oh Yep, dead souls and uh Some other shit Dead souls and dead aim
Starting point is 02:17:29 I Told you what happened with dead aim, right? I forgot you did And then we we we then just deleted it. We didn't even save the audacity No export no export We're sitting there Like doing the noise cancellation and then we're like, no Delete this
Starting point is 02:18:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's happened. That's happened God, I wish I could remember which games it's happened for but it's it's happened more than once so just like So you're gonna be doing all that over woolly verses over there And uh, you can get all the updates if you want to Jump on twitter at woolly wools on twitter. I'm on instagram too. Oh, you feel like seeing some random pictures. I'm on it. Yeah All right What's your instagram thing woolly wools? Oh, okay
Starting point is 02:18:40 Uh doing my soshis Meanwhile over at twitch.tv slash pat stairs that I have a big week this week and streaming almost every day Uh tomorrow's pyramid head day. Hooray. These are all gonna be 8 p.m So it's gonna be uh me one peach saliva one dk Dimentis one quiet shy and one rosalyn. We're gonna be playing some pyramid head dead by daylight custom games Uh, and maybe maybe a few like ranked games afterwards Then I got dusk ori and the blind forest and oprah din and
Starting point is 02:19:18 Interesting So I bought that too and uh That was actually Supposed to take the spot that doom 2016 took. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna I was considering playing over din uh But I played doom instead you should play it. Uh, yeah, yeah, I'm very interested after fucking papers, please I really want to know what's going on with it. Interesting. Cool. Uh and on saturday
Starting point is 02:19:49 because and I quote I am an influencer that is a good fit for reviewing playstation titles and quote And under my personal assumption, it's because I called neil druckman a bitch on twitter I will be uh streaming last of us part two on saturday. Thanks for the early access How's about that? Grats. Yeah, that that email chain is hilarious
Starting point is 02:20:24 Like it's it's hilarious to me But i'm like I was literally Joking about how big neil druckman's diaper was yesterday and had just finished retweeting an article about how last of us To try and make you feel guilty is fucking stupid. And then I got an email from sony that's like, do you want a review code? Am I I would love a review code? Well, you know how this works You go to twitch you see the numbers the numbers hit the threshold you send the code out
Starting point is 02:20:53 Well, we've done the research and we think you're a great fit. So I mean obviously that means they think all the shit I've been saying is cool. So See you guys on saturday for that You're gonna go for the uh the straight through I don't know sitting. Let's see. Let's see how sad I am When that thing happens that i'm not allowed to talk about even though I would have talked about last week, but I signed a bunch of documents saying I can't talk about it I bet I'll feel really bad and guilty. Hey
Starting point is 02:21:22 I hear the writing is really good. I hear that the main menu is a boat Yeah, the embargo allows me to put up a screenshot of the main menu So that everyone knows I have the game. It's one of the weirdest embargo conditions. I've ever seen Oh man It's hate On letting people know you have the game you just can't talk about it if you want This is this is you could take screenshots of the game on your ps4 dashboard or the main menu This is the weirdest vibe
Starting point is 02:22:01 Uh A sequel to something amazing has ever had. Oh, it's so bizarre. This is the weirdest vibe. It's ever been um And uh, some people asked actually like whether or not I care and the answer is I do because despite What is up?
Starting point is 02:22:21 um, I want to form my own opinions and Treat it like the internet doesn't exist. Yeah, and just play the video game as the sequel to the game I really liked that I played years ago. Yeah, and when I'm done doing that, I will form my own opinions I I do not enjoy Having the opinions formed for me and telling me what to do or think about what I want to play So that's where I'm at and I intend to sit down and just see what I well how it goes weirder place
Starting point is 02:22:49 Because the embargo that I have signed is so strict It's very they are terrified Of spoilers And they don't want anyone talking about The things they were already talking about It's like it's so goofy It's so goofy. They had me initial every line of the spoiler agreement to make sure I got it
Starting point is 02:23:21 To make sure I understood and I'm like I'm looking at these Conditions like don't talk about this. Don't talk about this. I'm like people have mean these things to death guys Well, there's two there's two ways to go. You know that when it happens you can either get the pillow out Or the camera Yeah You know they went for the pillow um Stries in effect, but also like the part of it. It's like hey make
Starting point is 02:23:52 You can let people know you have it and they don't because that's exciting. It's also really weird Really really weird Somebody asked me earlier today like are you gonna give the game like a fair chance? I'm like, I'm sure the game is actually really good I just think that the people that work at that studio that are talking about it Like one Beale Pupman are insufferable uh douchebags
Starting point is 02:24:18 Who crunched their staff to death and our assholes Yeah, you should take one of those hype photos where it's like the title screen and then like You making the face of like I got it and you don't and then just like you I mean I kind of already did that this morning I put up a screenshot of the ps4 dashboard and the title screen with the with the title fucking lol part two And then just use like just use like your scrotum to just press the start button. Maybe just be like You know, maybe I did just get a nice and loose. That's great. I just saw that in the chat. That's great
Starting point is 02:25:01 He'll fuck man That is a that is a great alternate name I can't tell if Games are better off for you with the people that make them on twitter or worse Like I cannot I can't tell if it's a net positive Or net negative game. It is a it is a zero-sum game It is absolutely Zero-sum the the like as the shit piles the enjoyment rises and it stays in equilibrium. Yeah
Starting point is 02:25:40 I get it. Okay. That's like there's kajima Just like talking non-stop about his leather jacket and then you're playing the game. You're like, wow So really detailed leather jacket in this game. You're like, oh kajima, right? And then there's okay and then there's Um Then there's dumb asses behind certain sony titles Going
Starting point is 02:26:05 It's really offensive that you would talk about how our game isn't as important as schindler's list And you're like, are you Is that is that the verbatim? so, um The verbatim is Jeff canada says that when everything in our game industry is john wick or trying to be john wick Uh, last of us too is schindler's list And some that's a reviewer that that's a reviewer. Yeah, and some guy
Starting point is 02:26:37 Some dude with 20 20, you know follow, you know, some dude just quote retweets it and goes, okay, that's like the worst take ever. This is ridiculous right and He'll fuck man Retweets that with his 30k followers and go this kind of Ironic joke really isn't appropriate and is kind of hurtful even for things that are of such such serious subject matter That's like your game's not as good as schindler's list and it's not as important
Starting point is 02:27:11 And schindler's list is based off a real series of events in one of the worst times in history. How about you pull your head out of your ass? I mean unless Unless the post apocalyptic setting of two somehow turns into real Setting that has to cover real events and then they decide to make it less of a video game and more of a Social message about real things that happened like I can't imagine I don't I don't understand how The context of the fiction could ever go in that direction This isn't as good as schindler's list and the the the paraphrase that comes back is but it is though It's fiction. Fuck off
Starting point is 02:28:00 Holy shit, pull it out of your ass your whole head, okay, well In any case I will boot the video game up and I will play it as a heal fuckman in the street and on the moon I'm gonna press start and play it as if uh I hit the credits on the last game and then I did the dlc and now i'm seeing what's going on here And we'll see what's up. We'll see but uh, that's uh, I bet that game's fun That's a big dumb. Yeah I bet I'm gonna feel really conflicted where I'm like, oh this game's pretty good. What a bunch of fuck asses who made it
Starting point is 02:28:43 Probably and that's kind of why I'm I that's kind of why I sound the way I do. Yeah, but um This is absolutely the weirdest vibe There's ever been I've now. Yeah, I can't think of anything anything for a sequel to something amazing And guess what the sequel is probably gonna be good, but Yeah, very sorry, I need to take that back. Uh fun is not a word to be used Excuse me this game fun is not a word to be used with last of us too It's explicitly not meant to be fun
Starting point is 02:29:24 Is this a verbatim yes not fun is a advertising phrase for the game It is not fun. It is serious. It is impactful. It is uncomfortable Jesus Joel I Am just the kind of person sony wants reviewing this game. That is verbatim All right, well, uh, everybody tuned in on saturday to uh, to enjoy that That's gonna be a weird stream Hey, when's the um
Starting point is 02:30:22 When when do the rest of us pubs get a check crack at it thursday, uh midnight Okay, I'm uh, I could stream at thursday midnight or friday, but uh, I feel like people would rather see obriden or orion the blind forest Hmm Man those games are beautiful. They're good And they're fun I like when games are fun, I like it when games are fun So Shall we news yes
Starting point is 02:31:02 Hey, there was a lot of news this week, but we talked about a good deal of it So we can jump right to we can skip past the first three stories Since we've covered them all and go right to um The fucking demon souls Yo demon souls remastered Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
Starting point is 02:31:26 You know what what blue point Yeah Yeah, yeah, right point. Yeah, you see that like that popped up and I'm like Yeah, also confirms the january rumors, but regardless um Yeah, yeah, sure. They did it There they did they did it. This is uh, this is their most this is clearly the most amount of um Input they're getting on a game
Starting point is 02:31:55 Like they've done a lot of like, you know upscales and remasters and what have you But they're changing designs and they're like well They they you saw what they did for shadow Yes, like shadow the colossus they the comparison of like old to new they showed you like no We've rebuilt this and then all you need to do is look at some of those screenshots of um the environment And like you go. Oh, this is built. This is not
Starting point is 02:32:26 remastered as much as it is like re Recreated re everything re everything. Yeah. Yeah um Looks super pretty. Um Hey Souls between this and and elden ring
Starting point is 02:32:46 um Even besides the the healthy mods going on right now souls are going to be back in in in in an official capacity I'm curious to find out if they're going to change The online infrastructure at all if maybe they're going to allow it to do things like they did with scholar the first sin So maybe you can get more people connected to one there is one game a description on the game's official trailer That says it will feature a fractured mode Um, which to me is either a remix or some kind of non-server based
Starting point is 02:33:26 Uh version of tendency Right like Just asymmetrical No, just like you Non multiplayer tendency system You know Oh, and they deleted that description. Oh, that's super confirmed then great
Starting point is 02:33:48 Uh It makes me wonder How much input they're gonna get because demon souls is Jank as fuck It is so fucking jank Now how much of this jank do we preserve? How are they just gonna fucking translate the jank instantly? like right away or Are they gonna clean some of it up because maybe you don't want them to clean some of it up, you know, it's it's
Starting point is 02:34:24 It's interesting Well, look for example, I think the the the The biggest question that'll answer a lot to me Would be what is the old monk gonna be? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's gonna answer everything How do they handle old monk if we see that? Then you can infer everything you need to from that. I have a different question, which is uh, will they complete the fifth archstone? Oh, yes, right the missing content. Yeah. Yeah, totally. That's that's another obvious, uh
Starting point is 02:34:59 Place to go as well. Mm-hmm um Yeah, man, it it's crazy because like A lot of people like obviously like everyone that's like super in there on souls has been like talking about this for a while And and wanting to see it come back and and see it like get its own recognition but there is a larger broader base of People and and you know that are just like
Starting point is 02:35:31 like like gamers uh, that Kind of thought that like Dark Souls represents the sequel and replacement of that, you know This is a weird Fuck it. Yeah thing. No, clearly, right like going back and seeing how it's like, oh you took That and you built off of that to create the soul the Dark Souls games Like Demon Souls is absolutely like it's got its own thing going on in many places, but
Starting point is 02:36:01 there's so much basis there that um, there's an overall sort of like Oh, isn't that just like the thing that Dark Souls is the sequel of? You know kind of like on it on a Sort of I guess a casual understanding much more popular But then also but you're not only that but like in this case and then of course with Bloodborne in all these in all these Cases you're dealing with like different companies that have partial ownership over the IP, you know So uh, that is pro perhaps like that's the most important factor that doesn't necessarily
Starting point is 02:36:34 um That's not necessarily commonly understood, you know, which would explain why Dark Souls can get remastered on on a switch But Demon Souls can't go anywhere until it's back on a PlayStation 5, you know um Yeah, it's uh It's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see like what they leave the same and or if they try to remix anything I would imagine if they're doing like Shadow the Colossus, you know, they were gonna probably not risk the wrath of like
Starting point is 02:37:08 changing gameplay too much because You know people that want this alive again Want the experience they had alive again But prettier more than I think they want a Remixed mode and if they have a remixed mode then let it be a mode as opposed to the default but really go look at Sorry, there's a bunch of folks that are
Starting point is 02:37:32 Very disappointed with the look and say that it's ruined the whole aesthetic and this is coming from people that I would otherwise respect in artistic Matters and I'm like you people are insane The the game was like hilariously drab because they had no Texture budget that's why every every part of every stage was the same color Shove it I mean if you've only watched the trailer at the show Go check out the screenshots. No, they're talking about the screenshots
Starting point is 02:38:07 Okay, well then if that if that's what you're talking about then you're seeing it at the best version of it, but I The screenshots are what really made me go. Holy fuck. That looks really nice Oh, it was the it's the shot of like the building the very first building you go into in the tutorial That used to be like some generic pile of blocks and now it's like this This thing that I wish was a bigger level Or the new vanguard which doesn't look like a Donkey Kong CG monster anymore
Starting point is 02:38:41 I mean the shield The shield knight uh tower night much blue on him woolly Gross Now he looks great tower night looks great tower night looks crisp Um, yeah If i'm not mistaken um That was the
Starting point is 02:39:05 When I went through that I did that with my first like sword and board built Because I had I had avoided it otherwise and it was the um Yeah, macodo macodo and the adjudicator shield Barbarian And I want to go back to Volataria made in black She back I wonder if they'll add like Like one new thing, you know, like just like One little extra thing with like from's blessing
Starting point is 02:39:44 Yeah, well that the the the fucking the broken statue the broken Gate would be a perfect opportunity for example to be like here's stuff But we're not taking stuff away. Yeah, you know That's I think people would be okay with that like here's some extra stuff without like fucking over what you wanted, you know That's very exciting news get your scraping spears ready gang And hey guess what if you hate it then you can just hang on for elden ring Hang on and hang on Hang on some more
Starting point is 02:40:22 What about okay, what about um new stuff in the form of like Just more equipment options Yeah, that'd be fun Right like not fucking too much with like What's going on but just giving you like more more uh More equipment personally, I'm fine with broader changes I'm not going to be a purist about this
Starting point is 02:40:48 Okay, to me the the location and content of the game was Way more interesting to me than how fucked up it was to play crystal lizards crystal lizards that can die And then we'll never come back Yeah, that doesn't need to stay Nah, we good we good We are good
Starting point is 02:41:18 Yep, perfect example perfect example Okay, um, so that got announced and um That was probably the highlight of the ps5 event to me Mm-hmm. I agree but that and bug snacks Bug snacks You saw that right I saw bug snacks and I was waiting for it to turn into
Starting point is 02:41:46 A trailer for something else. Yeah, and it didn't Because I'm like this is a fake trailer and then The real thing is gonna come out at the end in order to be like viva pinata available now on sony for some reason there's a real like Tonal dissonance with that where it's like all happy go lucky, but me and page were like Fucking freaked out. Well, is it because he's eating the things that are cute? He's eating the things that are cute and then turning into the things And then
Starting point is 02:42:21 Like all food is anthropomorphized, but then when you eat the food you become an anthropomorphized food And like the characters are becoming disabled by this process Like one guy the mayor runs in and says the town is on fire, but I can't do anything because I have wiener hands now Is bug snacks frog fractions three no, but I think it's I think it's like I think it's actually like It's gonna be super fucked Like super fucked Because I think the devs came out and said you haven't even seen the weird stuff
Starting point is 02:43:03 So that was intentional then yeah, I think so okay gotcha. All right. It was super intentional. All right If it's if it's secretly a horror game Then Then yeah They figured it out Because Usually trailers can't keep a straight face
Starting point is 02:43:29 You know they'll play the gimmick until they have to reveal the truth to you and then have the the filter kick in and And then the logo and then the blah They can and they can't keep a straight face So, um respect if that's what they're doing Keep the hustle up Um Ratchet and clank we kind of touched on it a bit, but uh, yeah
Starting point is 02:43:54 What's actually happening in those little rip teleport moments is like you're Grabbing a location that is like planets away in real time and moving there apparently. Yeah So that's fucking impressive on a technical technical level. I didn't load in new levels quite quickly. Yeah, I didn't I didn't quite parse that like That's what's always happening was there's a largely loaded in universe here And you are pulling portals Across planets towards you type of thing, which is uh, that's that's that's pretty impressive. You know
Starting point is 02:44:35 And those games are high quality so that'll be a good gun Yeah It's also the the next place to take a game like like a member like obviously a portal and pray would fuck with like that that type of stuff but To take it to a like again no man's sky or like just large open worlds Kind of ability that is like, okay. Well now you can jump to that end of the map or whatever the case is Is a very like Let's use the features of this console and show off the thing like nintendo would
Starting point is 02:45:02 Kind of I don't think those are like discrete levels. I think those are like sequences. They're just loading in different like Huge portions of different assets in quickly Is that what it is? I did not get the feeling that it was fast traveling to different locations I got the it's I got the idea that I got the feeling that it was This level I think I might have a teleport into a room that has wildly different assets that we would not be able to Load in quickly like it looked very on rails I I you know, I might have just like read a tweet that
Starting point is 02:45:32 Said something about it being like Like a large area connected through these things and then yeah, but I'd have to go back and rewatch it But if that's not what's happening then Maybe I'm mistaken Because like when they showed the longer gameplay like that shit was not happening Okay, so it's just a bunch of set pieces then yeah, the ratchet games are not like open world Okay, okay. All right. All right Well, it's still pretty impressive, but oh absolutely, but it's not what I thought
Starting point is 02:46:02 Impressive as they seem to want you to think it is um and It's actually kind of funny because like Having a like a fucking big old Skyrim giant world or whatever That had instantaneous fast travel load times or like really fast flight would be Like the kind of thing that would actually improve a game But this incredible new technology is mainly being used to show us fancier set pieces
Starting point is 02:46:35 Which the fucking video games great Man, I I am cynical. Holy shit Yeah, well demon cells look good I mean fucking Spider-man is the type of game where like you could benefit from that like even though the fast travel is great where he's on the subway Yeah The ability to just like turn a comic book page and be somewhere else. Yeah, what the fuck is that game?
Starting point is 02:47:00 It's the the Moz Morales game is a separate game. It's an expansion game. It's a release Okay, so there was a bunch of confusing Uh in conflicting information that I saw from people that are not insomniac Yeah So all I know is the confusion quote-unquote stemming from this is
Starting point is 02:47:22 From other people talking about it But when I went to go look at what official Tweets there were about it insomniac said it's a standalone full game And then some guy underneath it was like source Yeah Everyone's like What that's good. I like that. Yes sequels separate but equal I am glad for the Miles Morales. I think that's cool. I'm happy to see that finally
Starting point is 02:48:01 He's gonna kind of fucking Rad ass game and you know people finally give a shit since spider-verse was great He's taken way too long for this to happen But hey, it's here Um, I really hope that spider-verse com costume is in there Yeah Do they know right because like there's did those games that came had a million costumes What do I not know what is there a piece of information about the game that I'm missing right now?
Starting point is 02:48:35 Is there something are you talking to me? No, um Not you. All right. No. All right, nothing There was so there was uh some Confused that it seems I'm like is it not a full like what what do we okay? Yeah, it's a full game So, um Yes, there was a hard times article that that uh That was that was written about the thing
Starting point is 02:49:04 So, yeah, um, that was uh shown off there was uh Oh, yeah, I would have lost money on a bet Because I could have sworn that if they were gonna make a sequel to horizon zero dawn It would be called harai ton with the two as the zed Oh, but they didn't do it. Uh, they didn't do it Harai ton we're gonna say that it was horizon one dawn I said I said horizon one dawn in my in my on my on stream exactly Yeah, I I this straight up or and then I and then I turned it into horizon one dusk
Starting point is 02:49:42 Horizon two noon. Oh man But no, it's horizon san francisco is gross All right real name Uh forbidden west forbidden west Sure, yeah, sure that first game is good How long uh Do you like do you think um This stays exclusive or do they drop it?
Starting point is 02:50:19 That game's in a weird place because like I have horizon zero dawn wish listed on steam and it still says summer of 2020 Of which it is june 15th right now so Where's my horizon zero dawn on the pc it'll probably come to see exactly one year later Do you think that um Both sony and microsoft will continue to see the pc as a non-competitor Man, I don't know Probably I feel I feel like that might go away
Starting point is 02:50:52 I feel like the idea of we got to fight each other And the pc doesn't matter do what you want a little bit later, but sure Uh, I feel like that might go away because we were dealing with a generation of Exclusivity only meant not that guy. Yeah, you know exclusivity intense Like first party titles are coming to other platforms as long as it's not that guy as long as it's not that guy That's the exclusivity anywhere else but that guy So everyone here can pick my keys up out of this bowl except for jimmy Jimmy you can go fuck yourself
Starting point is 02:51:34 No key party for jimmy I think um you guys want to give your keys to jimmy that's fucking fine, but not me jesus christ You Yeah, I think uh, I think it'll probably change As the xbox series x becomes a pc yeah, and as uh Companies are probably Going to aim for simultaneous releases more and more often
Starting point is 02:52:03 PC will slowly start to become a competitor that like they're going to be like, okay. Well, hold on You know, are we losing some sales here? What are we doing? You know um horizon and Oh, yeah, so some stuff that didn't actually show up Uh There but then still came out around the same time. Do you fucking remember 13 sentinels?
Starting point is 02:52:33 I did that ven that vanilla wear game that we've been waiting on Aegis rim. Yeah Yeah It's got a trailer that they dropped uh on the 12th And it's uh, it's it shows off like The 13 characters That you'll be playing as still vanilla wear Yeah, but it looks a lot like
Starting point is 02:53:01 It looks more visual novely Because you don't really see any action in the trailer. It looks like a bunch of the Characters talking so it might be a vn with mecca in the background But i'm not a hundred percent sure i need to see that would be exactly what the plan is did you uh Did you see this fantasy star home line 2 news? No, what's up? So, um A ps o 2 trailer came out that was then deleted
Starting point is 02:53:33 For episode 4 of content, which is uh You know new content coming to the game Right um and the bit of text at the end is quote get it from microsoft and more pc platform soon And then that trailer was up for a little bit and then they killed it and it's like oh Wonder where that's going man. Well the the fucking in-game manual talks about steam Mm-hmm, which is really ridiculous Um Yeah, so like probably in two months that game will be on steam and it will be like fine. I bet
Starting point is 02:54:22 Hey, that's it's got it's got the virgil as a class, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's cool You know it'll continue to be awkward like this this this will continue it'll continue this is not going away so Anyway, um So there was there was there was uh 13 sentinels Which i'm like hey man George coming tommy what you up to you doing some shit. Let me see George you drawn titties again
Starting point is 02:54:52 He's drawn titties damn it And abs and abs. It's true So earlier today They showed off of technically hot off the presses star wars squadrons And uh this to me If if this is in fact what I think it is this is very exciting One of the coolest experiences I had Was the x-wing mini game like vr experience in battlefront. It was incredible
Starting point is 02:55:34 You really like get to feel the strength of vr When you are cockpit piloting Um when you are like when you're basically like on foot as somebody Vr to me is you know what I then again, I haven't played alex right because that's that's a game changer From what I've been hearing but The most the most convincing experiences I've had have been the shit where you're in a cockpit The the zone of the enders experience is it was a lot of fun Um, but the x-wing one was next level
Starting point is 02:56:09 If this is the game of that experience We're fucking in for an amazing ride. Yeah, because pay four dollars an hour Because I was After that like demo. I was kind of left going like god fucking damn it I would absolutely kill for this to be like a full game. I would love for this to be a full game um So is there something is there something out there about the uh the the length of the game or something like that? No, it's just got an ea logo on it
Starting point is 02:56:47 So i'm waiting for the news that it's fucked up Is it four hours long? No It just has an ea logo on it. That's it. That's where all my citizen comes from. Okay well Did you play the x-wing? demo I did not I played okay
Starting point is 02:57:06 It's really cool. So if this is like that If this is them turning that tech into a full game. I'm immensely immensely excited because um That demo was great and it was one of my favorite psvr things You know, so I'm crossing my fingers Because uh, I remember like years ago After playing that I was just like god fucking damn it. Where is the game for this? You know, so Let's find out. Let's find out um
Starting point is 02:57:35 All I all I all I know is that you know, they said vr and and it and it's it's you know, obviously like it it's ea as well Uh, but we the the trailer was just all cutscenes. So I mean no no gameplay with maybe a one second bit that might have been gameplay Mm-hmm But if it is in fact if it's if it's 40 bucks and it's a it's a game a full game Based on that experience that uh, the that we had I'm super in like I wanted much more of that like this the fact that that thing was 20 minutes was such a crime You know
Starting point is 02:58:15 So Um, this is where this is where I'm at You And hey, if you feel like dusting off your uh Your psvr and your copy of battlefront, um, you can see what i'm talking about with that literally don't even know where it is Literally Like the the headset. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. I genuinely don't know And let me check something. Mm-hmm. Also. Yeah rogue squadron
Starting point is 02:58:56 Rogue squadron and uh rubble one Okay, so uh fun stuff back on the game cube you might want to check out the ace combat seven stuff Oh, yeah Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm uh I I was made aware when I uh when I took a quick look at that Um, I I definitely was like, oh, I am in over my head, but this looks fucking rad for sure I Used to play a lot more dog fighting games to be honest. I used to I used to
Starting point is 02:59:28 Um, particularly x-wing versus tie fighter back on pc was like I spent a I played that a lot um Spent a like that was one of the star wars games. I pumped the most time in two for sure You know, I haven't been I really only played the ace combat series Oh, okay. I only played about half of them Fair enough. Okay. Well, then I'm coming into this like With a love for that stuff like I like I like the star wars dog fighting a lot. I have like x-wing versus tie fighter was a really fun game
Starting point is 03:00:02 and uh like If you haven't ever touched it like it was the shit dude. It was fucking cool, man And like, you know, you you use the full keyboard As your as your cockpit like controls, you know You had a ton of different little switches and knobs to to press and match speed with target and and divert power to thrusters and
Starting point is 03:00:24 Divert energy to shields rear shields and Yeah, I might actually like elite dangerous It's great because elite dangerous has a lot of that kind of like fantasy element of like man, you're in a fucking ship Yeah, for sure I mean, obviously, you know, I dig the mech warrior stuff and you know me as the Fucking steel battalion mark like I'm all about all that like that's just great. So Um kicking back in with a full vr experience where you can look around the cockpit and do that stuff Hell, yeah, man
Starting point is 03:00:59 exciting um And uh wind commander I played a fuck ton of wind commander back in the day the original didn't play the sequels that much But I really played wind commander won a good bit and uh You know, uh Got used to Sort of the the dog fighting mechanics and that like my brother and I spent a bunch of time on the original wind commander
Starting point is 03:01:24 so Yeah, there's just uh, I got I got some love for I got some love for these dog fighting games, man. I feel like I missed out Like I've had I've heard people talk about wind commander with such fucking Ridiculous Big old cat boy fucking Brace in that thing to the evil the evil buff cat boys. I forgot what they're called But I didn't even hear about those killer. I feel they were like six seven eight years old
Starting point is 03:01:54 And then by the time I tried to get on them They were you know at that era of like, you know the aughts you try to play one of those old games and they were busted Right and now I look back and I could probably grab them on gog, right but I bet I really could I could gog wind commander But they're so yeah, I'm never gonna get that fucking space feeling that you would probably Yeah, I I don't I don't know how well they're I don't know how dated I don't know how dated uh, it would feel If I had to guess Fairly dated if I had to guess it it would probably not be the same. No, um
Starting point is 03:02:30 But it was still a lot of fun, you know launching with your with your group. It was it was it was like You know, um You know all the fun of star star fox all range mode. Yeah You know like it's a lot of that but like Just cockpit based with more options and you know in wind commander when you flew out with a squad and like any of your Any of your squad died. They were permanently gone from the game Like everyone on your team like like if they're died their name was removed from the fucking board and that's it They're dead forever. So
Starting point is 03:03:06 You know, you want to you want to not fuck that up, dude Like it would hurt when you lose somebody in a really hard mission, but you managed to make it through, you know Did you ever play colony wars? I didn't play colony wars Because that was like it was a ps1 version of this kind of thing and it was like a lot more actiony And it was just like vicious as fuck Like I remember renting it a bunch of times and it was just like almost fucking impossible What I did play was crimson skies I never played that one. How have we played so many of this genre and we have zero overlap?
Starting point is 03:03:41 I have no idea But uh crimson crimson skies was great and that was third person, right? So the fun of the fun of crimson skies was like, you know, uh, you got to you got to third person in Play your your ship and that was more multiplayer oriented as opposed to You know the previous months I was mentioning which were more pve stuff, but like it was tons of fun, man Um, I played it on pc mainly But then eventually it got ported to xbox original And I remember doing a land party where you could wear it with uh james small and some of the the old qa friends
Starting point is 03:04:13 Where we'd play some crimson skies like shit was awesome, man. It was great um Yeah, I don't try and convince me that star citizen was out Uh, just a few days ago And I looked up on it and I was like Do you mean in alpha 3.0? Fuck off So I already know that uh, you you missed out on the
Starting point is 03:04:45 the desperation of uh Being an n64 owner looking for more titles to play but Something special if you had an n64 was aro fighters assault It was a split screen dog fighting game besides star fox. That was uh Aero aero fighters assault. Yeah Uh, that was one of those things where you're like, man, I want more dog fighting and uh
Starting point is 03:05:14 I already play a fuck ton of star fox. Give me more. I want something else So that looks like an n64 is combat. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That came around eventually Um gamecube got got the the rogue squadron games Uh, I want to say there was a macros game too Uh, I want to say there was a macros game like blue sky or something like that. Did you ever play omega force? Nope What's that the name of the game? Hold on omega force Is that the right name?
Starting point is 03:05:49 No, that's the that's the no it was omega Robotech battle cry. Oh my god. It wasn't macros. It was fucking robotech. Yeah. Omega boost. Omega boost. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Omega boost. Yes Omega boost. Absolutely. Um Omega boost was fucking wild that thing Was it felt like nothing else? Although that was a like a mecca game. Yeah And it's also like bordering on next gen for the playstation one and like it was the most technically incredible thing Yeah, so, you know, I played omega boost on the
Starting point is 03:06:27 my my my demo disc Like lp I did an lp of like me and austin playing some playstation demo discs And one of them had a mega boost on it and like yeah, that was when I saw what was going on And it was insanely impressive It was also really weird because it was like clearly not a lot of games had established full 3d space Fly controls
Starting point is 03:06:51 So the game was kind of like the camera was rotating around you as the central point as opposed to outside of a sphere Yeah, it always felt and and like Modern games are more about you going anywhere in free space and turning left and right and controlling it But this kind of had a weird fixed point based system of flying around that was strange um But yeah So so, you know, all of this legacy
Starting point is 03:07:23 Is is is why i'm i'm i'm very excited For the possibility that this squadron game might be fucking sick man. I hope they learned their lesson with battlefront Because that would be great if this game was great, you know, like hope so too. Is this this isn't vr only though, right? Like you could just I didn't see vr only. I didn't see vr only. I saw vr mentioned But like It's just when I see star wars ea And x-wings and dog. You know what? I mean like the first place as you go is like they they did a demo for this already
Starting point is 03:08:09 It was successful built build off of that And if it's not that then this is the botch This is the botch of the modern of the modern star wars fucking franchise outside games You know like because you had something working and you didn't do it for whatever reason Oh about ea. This is a bit off but uh heads up to everybody who uh noticed that All ea games are back on steam all of a sudden. I don't know if you notice that walls
Starting point is 03:08:39 I didn't But they require origin to run Of course, so you get into that situation where you load it through steam and then it loads uh probably out of date version of origin Of course, so if if you want to buy those games It's just fucking at least get them through origin. I guess because it sucks ass On a similar note if you happen to have the epic game star epic game store installed Um, you can go get a bunch of free samurai showdown games Yeah, and on a similar note to that
Starting point is 03:09:17 Uh, don't buy anything today because the steam sails tomorrow Or today if you're listening to this on tuesday june 16th Which is which Which is sales on tuesday june 16th of 2020. Okay. All right there. So don't buy anything If you're monday june 15 It's next week. Ah shit We'll just wait be patient Uh the instant correction is is beautiful. Oh, whatever. It's useful. It is windjammer's pc demo coming out this week
Starting point is 03:10:06 If you want to try out windjammer's 2 um Speaking of tuesday tomorrow tuesday the the 16th windjammer's 2 is gonna Uh have a have a steam demo dropping And it's only going to be around for um What like six days so um
Starting point is 03:10:31 You've got You've got six days to check that out um Windjammer's 2 was pretty dope when I touched it, but I don't know what else is gonna happen But it seems like this is the good side of dot emu. You know dot emu has two sides That's a little bit of it's it's Dot emu and mr. Hyde a little bit Dot emu and dot emu
Starting point is 03:11:02 This is this is this is the gut so the good side once about emulation the others a bird that'll kick your guts out Yep, big old dumb brown bird Hey, if you're listening to this live, I don't know if you do you have the uh the itchio thing on here I was about to bring it up. Yeah, let's do that So Let me get the exact details. Did you take a look at it? I own it Okay, so, uh On itch.io
Starting point is 03:11:31 There is currently a big old, um bundle That is Let me get the exact here we go the bundle for racial justice and equality Is featured it ends in 11 hours. It's currently um a package of 1361 games More getting excuse me like excuse me
Starting point is 03:12:02 Excuse me 1361 creators. It's actually 1704 games So you can get 1704 games for five dollars And then the regularly price is nine thousand three hundred and sixty three dollars save 99 percent, but um Yes, effectively this is uh Uh a bundle where all the proceeds go to the NAACP legal defense and educational fund and the community bail fund It is splitting 50 50 across both of those with a pay what you want model um, so
Starting point is 03:12:40 You know for supporting uh black lives matter if you'd like to Uh pick up an obscene amount of video games Yeah, it's this weird thing where One way to do it go to the bundle page and it's like We didn't load these in your library because otherwise your library would be like un unreadable So you go to the bundle page instead And it's like okay here download these and then once you've downloaded it you can fucking actually See them in your library
Starting point is 03:13:18 Now uh full disclosure. I have not heard of just about almost all of these The vast majority that I've scrolled through our games that I have not recognized There are some that I definitely do Already own would not mind Double dipping on the support. Of course. It's for a great cause But there's a lot of a lot of stuff in here that you can spend forever just scrolling through It's it's kind of crazy how much is in this this thing. Um Yeah
Starting point is 03:13:49 Win win win just like I'm scrolling down this list right now I'm seeing a shit zillion games. I'm not aware of right Including kenny game assets won 20,000 game assets for use in your games right Or but it also has uh celeste and knight in the woods Sitting on here
Starting point is 03:14:14 uh, which Are games that you may have heard of knight if the consumers is in here that game's crazy I'm just gonna keep scrolling. Oh minutes in here minutes in there celeste is in there um Knight in the woods Uh Yep Stuff stuff stuff
Starting point is 03:14:45 Anyway, yeah, you blow a whole day just scrolling through this shit Yes, it's definitely for a good cause and it only costs five dollars though. You can kick in a little more if you like Nuclear throne But that it ends today So, uh, yeah, and if you're listening tomorrow then unfortunately it might be too late And if you don't buy this bundle and it ends today that means when racism is defeated You didn't help Gamers it's a in 11 hours racism will be defeated forever. That's right unless
Starting point is 03:15:31 Unless it was already defeated back when obama was elected No, I meant unless you don't do anything, but I guess I kind of left that pregnant pause to open A couple saw some folks saying that hey, it was I'm not reparations and slavery were evened out when obama made it I was like, oh word on god Damn, I didn't get the memo. That's pretty wild So, you know
Starting point is 03:15:59 that's uh That's a nice Even if that was the case would not only apply to like People in the united states Well, hey now, let's not like even even if hey, hey, who are we gonna lift a good lift look a good gift horse in the mouth? We're just gonna poo poo The generosity that uh, we've been I don't know. I think that I think the phrase look look a gift horse in the mouth has actually gotten like really Like hilarious in modern times because if somebody gifted me a horse. Yeah
Starting point is 03:16:33 I'm gonna check it out because why you giving me a horse, dude Kick the tires on it a little bit. Yeah Yeah Well, um You know Yeah, the best part is when uh those takes that I'm mentioning are like you're like, oh that sounds like some wacky ass Like take a opinion on twitter and I was like or it came from a senator So
Starting point is 03:17:02 Hey, yeah, that's how it go well done between our our digital memes and our representatives have grown smaller and smaller every day We can end racism jk unless Uh strong You Motherfucker Let's let's leave it at this. Okay, some somebody here Somebody modded
Starting point is 03:17:48 The giant fist into monster hunter world Oh, yeah Is it uh, is that hammer or what it's uh, what is it? What's the base weapon on this thing? It's fucking rad is what it is um Gun lance it's a gun lance. Oh, okay. So it's an exploding big fist. Yep That's cool And they'd actually uh, if you check out the video they added like the um, like the uh, a big pile bunker spike comes out for that attack
Starting point is 03:18:21 You know and then you can and you have like the dual equipped versions where it's like double giant fists so you basically look like v From legal legends. Yeah so, um Monster hunter world that's weird. You didn't know that reference last week I I I know the character. Yes, I've talked about her Because I'm like, is this the segue into you've been secretly learning about league of legends
Starting point is 03:18:51 No, you made the joke and I was like ha ha. I'm talking about v from dmc5, but I knew who jungling I knew who you were talking about are you feeding? Do you you think a giant punch girl with massive fists wasn't blasted my way for the last couple of years? She was immediately brought up as soon as the hashtag punch girl started And then again when uh, we talked about potential characters for the fighting game um Very aware very aware. Do you prefer mid or adc? I like getting fed
Starting point is 03:19:35 Top is fed still cracks me up fed as fuck It's such a fucked up stupid nonsense gamer phrase uh Feed feed feed feed feed so, um Yes, the uh, uh, uh, that's uh, that's uh, in my opinion You just you just stamped the uh, the pc version as superior because it got the weapon that capcom was too fucking cowered to make And like that bullshit poll was so fucking lies to
Starting point is 03:20:15 Oh, it always is dude. It was such a clear case of like look at how many votes this thing has Listen, man, but like nah, though the big shiny legally binding Big shiny japanese aesthetics thing that they they went for on their side. Just you know, i'm like, all right. Well, whatever My the mods got it the mods weren't cowards The modders fucking did it first mods do a lot of stuff in monster hunter They're definitely not cowards, but i'm not sure what they are Um Let's take some letters
Starting point is 03:20:58 Hey, if you want to send in a letter you can send it into castle super beast mail at gmail.com That's castle super beast mail at gmail.com We got one coming in from Nicholas says dear phil in hercules Recently had a discussion with a friend of mine about video game mascots And we can't seem to come to terms on whether Ryu or mega man would be considered the mascot Character for capcom at this point in time We even brought up serve bots because of the various cameos their color scheme matching
Starting point is 03:21:38 Have uh with the capcom logo and captain commando for being the og mascot like alex kid I'm of the opinion that either mega man or the serve bot should be considered the mascot But I have such a huge bias towards the series. I wanted to ask who do you consider to be cast capcom's mascot character motherfucker You just said it yourself. It's captain commando. His name is capcom and until capcom specifies otherwise That's the mascot. They said it if if they say it's someone else then it's someone else But until they say it's someone else it's capcom Yeah, you there's a different a bunch of different ways you can go about this
Starting point is 03:22:15 um It's captain commando because he's literally a logo man Or it would be whatever risen evil character is hot right now because that is the franchise that made capcom the most money But hold on. What's the is the question? Who do I think is the most popular character that is the poster boy that everyone will recognize that comes from capcom? Exactly that's a and the mascot is captain commando His name is capcom If you're if you want to know who should be the most poster boy pot, that's a different question
Starting point is 03:22:50 Yeah, that's a whole different argument It has nothing to do with whether mega man It has nothing to do with whether or not you know who he is if you don't know who he is That doesn't matter the facts are really bad. They've done a bad job with their mascot That means they've done a bad job with their mascot doesn't change who the mascot is That's the end of that until they make a new mascot Everyone's like nobody remembers who captain commando is anymore. I guess that's capcom's fault. That's capcom's fault
Starting point is 03:23:18 He's not on the logo. He was He was he there was logos that had him on it It's it's it's he's there. It's capcom's fault for doing a bad job of it But that doesn't mean it's changed because suddenly you don't know done moving on moving on We got one coming in from Manual says hey william pat wanted to know what you guys Thought do you believe demon souls should have an easier casual mode in order for it to be more accessible to more people? I believe having more options is always a good thing. I find myself
Starting point is 03:23:52 um Quite the hypocrite when it comes to suggesting demon souls be easier to jump in though Believing it should stay oppressive as the game always was am I wrong to think that way? Do you think it would be fine if they added an easier mode to it? Uh, I'm entertaining otherwise stay cool. Sorry. I thought the email was done I thought I thought the Demon souls was super hard and then um, I went back after beating dark souls and dark souls 2 and that game is a joke That game is actually really easy
Starting point is 03:24:22 um Compared to it's later games It's the most obtuse fucked up like Confusing mess Right. It's a it's a fucking mess and it's so confusing But it's actually like
Starting point is 03:24:42 Not that tough Um So what do you think? I think adding an easy mode to that game would be ridiculous I think options are good and I think uh If it was not a mode and if you did something in the form of like pick up an item and it changes something or whatever the fuck Yeah, I mean, that's fine. It's like Use the item to make yourself human and then invade or
Starting point is 03:25:10 Yeah, something something something a little bit more like like directly For that purpose and the way that like debate and it handles it for example where you equip easy mode as an item, right? um, but If they decide to not do that because they want the game to be A hard game that is just hard period and this is what it is. That's totally okay. It's up to them It's up to the developers, you know, that's I'm like at the end of the day Um, if they want the option available, it's because they designed for it and that's fine And if they don't want it to be there, that's fine too
Starting point is 03:25:45 um I think this this question actually has a lot more value in something like Sekiro or even the later dark souls games Then demon souls because yeah, like I said like demon souls becomes dramatically easier once you actually know how it works And there is exhaustive documentation and even if they're even if they do change stuff around for the new desk There will be exhaustive documentation very quickly and that's where most of the game's difficulty actually is Yeah, I I see like this is a discussion discussion that's been had multiple times and I think um Ultimately where it kind of lands is like
Starting point is 03:26:22 uh, you know having gotten into games like, you know, we we go into like character action games and Talk about how hard they are when it's like that's a self-imposed difficulty, right? Based on the attempt to Get to s-rank on the mission ranking and to s-rank our combat phases as much as possible um I think that if the game Is using its difficulty as part of like the tone of the story in a way That is a good reason too for it to stay as hard as it is
Starting point is 03:26:59 That's valid You know, um, that's what I find it. It's very hard to like this is a kind of question where it's like Only the people making the game can choose how they feel about this And that's why it's a bit of a hard thing like it like as far as like what It matters to me. It's like I can ignore an option I can ignore. I've never used an item in wonderful 101. I don't know what they look like I don't know what it even does as soon as you select it, right? It's it's if you ever played a game that you had those self-imposed rules
Starting point is 03:27:29 And then you'll accidentally use one and you get like anxious Super what's happening so confused, dude The missiles you get these missiles that launch in in 101 that like hit Enemies in the middle of the fight and you're like what the fuck just happened It's the most fucking random ass shit and it's so wild. You're like, uh, what like totally totally, you know And so I as someone who's capable of doing that and I don't mind, you know When something exists that's not for me in a game. I can just ignore what I don't want Um, I don't it doesn't bug me whether it's there or not
Starting point is 03:28:09 Like I don't get upset as at its presence Because I can simply ignore it. So You know, it just comes down to it's like well now if the director of the game decides that like They want this to make a statement. They want the game the game's difficulty to be part of what's going on here I think that should not garner flak is is how I'm coming at it Um, but I don't think options are bad I feel like A crazy person because I just end up saying it over and over like they've talked about how summoning
Starting point is 03:28:42 Multiplayer help is the game's easy mode true true true Life is easier with friends to help you true That's that's you're totally right um summoning as much as you need to every time Is a fucking amazing easy mode because some people will come in and do the level for you That's yeah Um Well, obviously it's up to the the developer
Starting point is 03:29:14 No one is going to break into the studio and code in an easy mode. It's a nothing statement Are you are you willfully choosing to like frame it in a in a way that Misses what I'm trying to say here Like are you willfully deliberately trying to do that because it sounds like it I said it sounds like it. It was me. I wrote that. Okay. Well again Again I can ignore what I don't care about
Starting point is 03:29:44 I think options are good at the same time I don't think if they choose to ignore it You should write an article about how this game is behind the times and how they need to get with it And how it's stupid that we're stuck in a world where Games are still fucking Being gatekeepers about difficulty. I get it. I totally get it you know, um and I mean
Starting point is 03:30:11 You know, that's and that that's that's an end that also Please make sure that you understand that that's an entirely different discussion from accessibility for example and uh making sure that the game has enough options and control settings that you can Make it work for people that have different accessibility needs, but um, yeah I just that's the that's the way I'm looking at it. Like you can use the statement Of the game's difficulty to say something about your design That is a that is a valid language to communicate a message to the player with
Starting point is 03:30:47 I'm not going to stand here and be like and thus it always must be that way And games should just be hard because that's not genuinely how I feel How about the concept of nuance? You know, sometimes in life things can be nuanced. It's quite fascinating It's interesting how things don't always turn out to be black and white Because I would like to your opinion. I don't know if we've talked about this specifically, but I've liked your opinion on Uh anti nuance in the nuanced version of this. Let's say you have a game that has multiple difficulty modes or say Uh a difficulty item like you described like the chicken helmet. Yeah, and uh, what if the easier difficulty is called Uh poo poo pee pee bitch boy mode go for it
Starting point is 03:31:33 Yeah, okay. That's what I thought because I'm here with that. Yeah, you will be Way stronger. Uh, you will one shot enemies that are like fucking tanks Uh, but your character will fart themselves the whole way through the game Uh, cuz like I think it's really funny when you have games that have multiple difficulties, uh and doom and uh, Wolfenstein in particular Wolfenstein's got it the worst where in Wolfenstein. It's like i'm a little baby And it's like bj with like a bonnet and like a sucker in his mouth Totally and it's like even though shaming you
Starting point is 03:32:09 I know there are people who are playing those games on harder difficulties and having a miserable time It is literally because they cannot handle Like the game calling them a little baby. Mm-hmm And that argument When it comes up is extra hilarious Because it's like why does the game have to call me a little bitch? And like the toxic in me I I don't like can't help but respond with will will stop being a little bitch then
Starting point is 03:32:40 Okay, I do I don't think it's necessary. I don't you don't need to do that Um You you you you know you genuinely and genuinely don't need to do that Uh, but as I said the difficulty of the game is a valid Language for communicating. Okay your message. Okay. Okay. What if okay? I got it. I got it Demon souls has an easy mode. It is like 50 reduction in stats across the board or increase whichever would help you, right? Yeah, but but when you um When you
Starting point is 03:33:19 Sign up went like for the eula. Mm-hmm. There's an extra little check mark In the in the easy mode prompt and it says like I Fully admit that I have a tiny wiener And it then has to post that to twitter Before it lets you unlock the easy mode You got a nice little uh, yeah Yep, you start the game up and the some of the lines of dialogue are changed so that like, you know, one of the people you talk to just like It smells like bitch
Starting point is 03:33:53 What if your girl doesn't say a big vagina? There you go. Yeah um Because because the the energy that i'm feeling and I know you know this Is that weird human giant skit with a zezan sorry? Where he tries to go rent some skate uh some some rollerblades And uh one of the questions is have you told your parents you're gay yet? Right And he's like what no And he's like well no no rollerblades for you, right?
Starting point is 03:34:23 And then he's got to go talk to his parents and it's a whole thing So the um it's a fucking weird skit the the yeah, no you get to hit um Just just make sure that everybody knows you know put it all over the uh Put it all over the game. You have uh, what was the the the joke a game journalist mode was the thing people were running with for a while there Yeah, I mean that's that's not going away Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's that one's not going away because it's it's getting funnier every every year See what it comes down to is um
Starting point is 03:35:00 The people on both ends of the spectrum the ones who are the fucking edge lords is going on about the difficulty As the only thing that's valid that needs to exist in every other game And the people that are crying babies that are upset about the fact that they can't skip past any challenge they encounter Are both insufferable pieces of shit who I want to see upset The funniest thing is so this is what you have to understand about the way I look at this situation The the funniest thing is to me is that despite the fact That I am adamant in that I actually love That those games don't have difficulty modes and would lament their inclusion
Starting point is 03:35:41 I find the hardcore Get good you fucking difficulty for difficulty's sake It's element of the dark souls community to be way more infuriating overall Because those people did not exist when demon souls came out They only started to show up When when they get when the game was done to die and then the new stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so insufferable So annoying absolutely garbage absolutely garbage the worst did you beat the boss using a good weapon? Oh do it over
Starting point is 03:36:21 Fuck go fuck yourself. Yeah, I remember when people were figured out that you could shoot man-eaters through the fog wall with the arrow in in fucking Three two in demon souls and everybody was like that's the greatest You fucking killed that boss. No damage Holy shit. Just shoot him through the door I've sat next to punch mom and watched her struggle in things that you know We're on basic settings and and like kind of try to Piece it out and be like, okay. No, this is just not working. It's as like it's like we need to
Starting point is 03:36:53 Change the mode. We need to switch it up, you know, and and I and I've seen uh, like difficulty down switches Result in like okay now she can actually enjoy this and this makes sense and I've also sat and like had seen like her struggle with stuff and I've been like, okay Let's try to figure out how to how to beat the size is, you know And like kind of learn how to get a little bit further and um, it doesn't always work out But in some cases when it does it's like, oh shit. Yeah, cool. You did it, you know
Starting point is 03:37:20 But here's the question right when she was having trouble Did you get up onto the couch? And start dancing around and pissing all over the room and going. Why can't you beat it, bitch, baby? Why can't you beat it, bitch? Yeah, no. No, I didn't did that happen. No, I didn't drop sack Over her over her fricking brow and be like, ha Ha, bitch, baby, bitch Bitch, baby, bitch. Now that can't be fun That that is fun
Starting point is 03:37:49 Getting toxic, but still come on. Yeah, that's some class people So so most importantly if we take this this nice little sliding scale And we grab the group of people that hang out at both ends of it They can fucking go we can turn this from a walk-off stage into a final destination You know, we can get rid of them. Um, that's that's that's the the the most important part We've got one coming in from tom Hey, man, what's up? Tom says
Starting point is 03:38:24 Uh, hey crazy talk and bring me to life Mainly a question to pat as he partakes in games that tend to have grinding What I do and how do you decide whether grinding is spending your time whether it's worth it or not Is it enjoying the game? Is it purely based on reward content or does it have to be the enjoyable grind action in and of itself? Does it have to have ways to shorten optimized time spent speaking for myself? I enjoy the grinding activity when rewards are obtainable beyond just hoping rng will be nice to me An example is in monster hunter world. I like grinding for armor upgrades and layered equipment, but I hate grinding for decorations Keep doing you. Thank you. I mean, there's a there's a really complicated answer to this and it's the the more attainable the goal is and the more, um
Starting point is 03:39:13 enjoyable the process is and the uh More consistent the progression is the more likely I am to do it, right if I'm just hitting a fucking slot machine Go to hell Um, I I I did deco grinding for a while and that's a slot machine And then I just said fuck it and just cheated all the decos I wanted into my game Fuck it Terrible, but I never did that with armor because armor has a very strict Like like path and it is technically rng, but it's a lot fairer
Starting point is 03:39:48 um For something that is miserable to do. I will really only grind it if the benefit is Something that I think will make the game more fun to play So, uh Like grinding out a new weapon type and something you know just or uh Destiny will give you like unique guns that will have cool gimmicks and stuff like that. Um Uh, this does not include grinding that Is playing the game like just playing the game, you know, like
Starting point is 03:40:30 Uh, dead by daylight for example has a leveling system where you get perks for your characters uh using blood points you get for matches and I hit the cap, uh Over the weekend and I've hit the cap multiple times And the reason why you hit the cap is so that when the new character which is pyramid head comes out tomorrow Just bam, just dump a million blood points into them Right, uh I mean you get that just by playing matches
Starting point is 03:40:55 Right, you do you're not even doing anything specific. You're just you're just playing matches and getting points. You're just not spending them Um, you know, um, I think it's pretty known at this point But like I like the internal experience meter more than the external experience meter. So, uh, I Will have fun quote unquote grinding Against one enemy that I cannot beat until I can versus grinding over thousands of enemies that I can beat and just
Starting point is 03:41:25 You know constantly do so to achieve uh something else like numerically um, I like the repetition when I know that I can try something a little bit different to see if it makes it a little bit better in my in my my style of fit to see if I can improve So, um the improvement Angle is what allows me to have fun with the repetition And if the improvement angle is removed and it's simply a numerical equation Uh, I can do that but
Starting point is 03:41:58 Like it would like it would be it would be a lie to say like I've never done that That's just not true But I do it to the I do it as long as I'm interested and the moment it stops being worth it or interesting to me. I immediately change tasks so when I've played rpgs um When I've played rpgs, I've Done some shit where I'd have to go like, you know
Starting point is 03:42:22 Make sure you get to this level in order to get disability or go grind out this side quest or whatever the fuck, right? I I I did um, I played whack-a-box. You know, I got all the whack-a-box things. I you know, like uh, I'll go do that as long as like I'm like, okay I can see the challenge here and I can try to overcome it Uh, but like when I'm doing this the difference is just like I am My interest is a thread and the moment the thread breaks if it's just repeating the same activity with success Constantly being granted to me. I will walk away as soon as I'm like, not fuck this. I'm done You know versus uh, if there's a challenge that I'm trying to overcome in which case it's a lot more, um
Starting point is 03:43:01 a lot more fun but uh, so one of the more interesting things is there is a um There is a current controversy in destiny which is Like by the way, I played destiny a lot over the past year. Dude that game is falling apart but uh, there's a current controversy because um They there is an activity called a forge which is a three-man activity takes about 10 minutes And you have automatic respawn. There's no like wiping on it
Starting point is 03:43:32 Okay, like if you die you just respawn and the worst thing that can happen is that you, um Uh, you just lose and what happens when you lose Is that it loads you back into the same instance Okay, and when the timer runs out Um, and that game has an item level and what you can do Is you can uh lower your item level below The minimum so the minimum item level is 750 But they're uh rare like halloween items that are zero
Starting point is 03:44:06 So you can lower your power level to like 680 which is lower than the game could possibly go Okay, um, and what that does is that puts you in a matchmaking only With people who have also intentionally fucked up their item level And the reason why you would do this Is you load in with two other people who are just gonna afk For literal days at a time Because the completion of a forge even when completely failed still gives you drop chances Oh wow
Starting point is 03:44:41 And wow And people are using this to fucking farm out Just absurd amounts of a new currency they just put into the game That is a spectacular example of failed design Yeah, um spectacular This activity is pretty fun But the thing is is like it is a fucked up thing in destiny. This keeps happening over and over and over There was a loot cave in destiny one. There was a different afk forge farming thing
Starting point is 03:45:16 uh last year And it is this thing of like nothing is more rewarding In terms of like actual like in-game rewards in destiny Then afk for thousands of hours in an activity that you don't intend to play and that is fucked That is fucked When breaking the system is more fun for some people than actually Every time this happens they go well shit. I guess we should probably increase the rewards because Jesus christ Playing the game is so much less rewarding than not playing the game
Starting point is 03:45:53 Hanging out in one location doing one stupid thing over and over. That's I did that for uh something else Uh a while back. I had the I had destiny 2 running in a fucking windowed tab For like 300 hours Just grinding forge materials like uh six months ago or whatever is there a point when you get when you when you get What you want and then you go and have fun Oh, yeah Does it come after that?
Starting point is 03:46:23 Yes, it sensibly does. Okay I I could talk for a long time But about the stuff that I don't like in destiny now destiny is the most frustrating game I have ever played because it it go it is not a seven It is a series of Nines and twos back to back over and over Okay, um, here's the thing. Uh, you said like there's a point where you'd get what you're looking for and then you
Starting point is 03:46:52 It's ostensibly go and have fun But is it not always yet? Is it is it not always more rewarding to stay in that location and do that activity? No, because uh, it doesn't give you everything. It only gives you Certain types of rewards. Okay. So once you complete the table, then you're done Yeah, the main thing is people do it for power level like just increased item level Okay, but it but it's not an and it's on an act. It's not an uh experience farm. For example No, it is it is literally an experience farm. It's not for different items. It's for experience
Starting point is 03:47:25 Oh So then there would be no point to like going anywhere else Yeah, pretty much. Why would you do anything other than this which is the fastest and the easiest? Yeah, okay, got it right. So it's as bad as it sounds great. Okay. Yep. It totally is cool So Yes, that is that is kryptonite That is fucking kryptonite Hold on a second
Starting point is 03:47:51 I have I have somebody who talks quite often. Hey, valriette Now I never played it. You did last wish once a year after it came out and quit the game for over two years How many hours on destiny do I have for this to count? Hold on. Where is it? I know I have Oh, yeah, 473 hours. I never played destiny 2 go fuck yourself I hate that critique You haven't played enough of a game to criticize it when you've got hundreds of hours into it I absolutely hate that
Starting point is 03:48:25 You know, it it really is best to just like not even Not even engage but like man, but I know valriette. I see that dude all the time. Yeah Well, all I can say is we're only human and and to those who are I'm not to those who are yes You are currently I'm part toilet transitioning into a toilet bowl of partially indeed um We've seen the artwork of it but the idea That the person who is currently mid type of like man, I hate when they talk to
Starting point is 03:49:01 The they call out these things or whatever and it's like you I get it. You're you're not wrong You're not wrong, but there's just definitely these moments of like wait, what? You like it's hard to explain if you're not in the chair Where you like suddenly something you said comes back super misunderstood and you're like Can I just take five seconds to explain what the fuck that's what's that about? It's really really hard to not want to address that when it pops up and I so it's just like it's it's just You know, I get it. I do get it. But that that this is the weird what the what are you talking about? You know But you're not wrong. You're not wrong
Starting point is 03:49:38 You know Um, some people love the call outs. Some people don't it is what it is Hey, I like to call out Um I think we got Okay, the 300 hours and forge was an exaggeration by the way, it was like one day calm down everybody No, if you want to actually talk like the biggest problem a game like destiny and warframe has Is they have their little seasonal things?
Starting point is 03:50:10 And those seasonal things include cosmetic elements and in some cases certain weapons that you can't get once the season ends And now that I've missed some of them the desire to go back will always be gone Yeah, because yeah, oh, I'll never I'll never be able to get that that gun or I'll never be able to get that cosmetic well Fuck into the trash goes the entire desire. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I I because they're collection games Exactly. Exactly. The idea is that they use the season on a collection game to Like really incentivize the use of the season. But if you ever fall off Then uh-oh Hey, dude, Gengar's gone forever
Starting point is 03:50:47 You had Season to get in joke, but it's Gengar in sort of You had a period of time to go catch a Gengar or evolve it And now that's gone Uh, that pokemon is gone your deck says you saw it though Because you saw other people that had a Gengar, but you will never catch a Gengar. Oh, oh, yeah Cat cat cat gotta catch them all No change that we're not saying that anymore. Do you feel like pokemon didn't just set up
Starting point is 03:51:24 Gotta catch them all for them But like the attitude associated with getting all 151 kind of set a tone for like Every collectible game ever It did but then I think that if they if they could look into the future they would have not used it They wouldn't have done that they would have went another way with it because the fact that they stopped saying that Very clearly illustrates that they're like, oh boy. Like that is Coming back to bite us in the ass when we make it impossible for you to catch them all Because I mean this fucked up place, right?
Starting point is 03:51:58 And I I don't mean to keep belaboring the point where but like I look at destiny And I really love to play destiny and have had a shit ton of fun playing destiny And I am the last season they did was miserable and awful. It was terrible And now I'm like, well, I can never go back because there's stuff all I've missed and That's that Probably catch a little Probably catch a little
Starting point is 03:52:23 pokemon You can kind of get some of the ones you saw on tv probably catch some of the coolest ones Probably catch a little pokemon. Yeah It looked dude like if destiny wants to set itself up to basically You know just not let you fucking get the things they're showing you that are in the game after a certain point of time Well, you know the the the fomo Has the reverse edge of it The reverse the reverse edge of fomo is like
Starting point is 03:52:59 like I don't care anymore You know Well, it was just a cosmetic it was like yeah It was a cool cosmetic that I would have had to work my ass off for a whole season that sucked ass in an event that was terrible like when you try to um When you try to to use fomo on people too aggressively as a like
Starting point is 03:53:23 Get back in here to get your reward tool Uh, do not be surprised when dude the response the bounce back off for that is completely mentally checking out of the game Well, can I can I grab you for 10 more minutes on destiny to get your non mmo ask like playing guy brain on this sure because This game is going to do the weirdest shit
Starting point is 03:53:52 For an mmo loot game They have complained often about how the game is too big, right? It's they it keeps getting bugger Right, so what they're gonna do for their new expansion Is they are going to vault? planets and activities Permanently No, they're gonna go into the disney vault and come out once a year So that you can you know, maybe get those rewards and when they come back
Starting point is 03:54:24 Maybe they'll be rotated in this year. Menagerie will come back and it'll be updated And this is being combined with Sunsetting of weapons where if you get a really good gun with perfect perks It will only last like six months to 18 months before you won't be able to upgrade it and it will Lose its viability and power Even if it's your favorite gun reverse dlc So we're gonna take it out of the game occasionally the cynicism for this is that
Starting point is 03:55:00 I'll start destiny 2 soon and I won't be able to do the original destiny 2 campaign because the planets won't be there And they'll bring back mercury or you know, whatever planet it is and the guns that are mercury They're now new and we've re-rolled them so that we can So you can re-grind actual identical copies of your existing guns That are now stronger Is it like There is a huge argument in that community over
Starting point is 03:55:34 Like people are like you need to sunset weapons because otherwise you're gonna have everything in the game And there won't be anything left to grind compared to people like me that are like I already grinded for it Fuck off. Don't take it away from me Oh if you have the reward it it gets removed No, it's more complicated than that because of course it is so the game everything's item level Which is just the power level of any individual item, right? Every season the top power level goes up. Yeah, right? So this season it's 900 three months from now will be 9 20 etc
Starting point is 03:56:09 And that affects all of your stats right after one year The your favorite gun that you got on january 1st 2020 on january 1st 2021 You will no longer be able to upgrade it to the new top power level So it will always be 20 or 50 or whatever weaker than anything new that you get or anything that is six months old Which means it will no longer be viable for hard content Okay, so it basically you you won't be able to make it strong enough to keep up with where the game's going
Starting point is 03:56:44 And it will devalue over time Right, that's what they mean by weapon sunsetting. They're not taking them away. They're just slowly walking away And do things that get included in the game always get stronger so that you like like basically Is the it's it's can you not keep using your really good? Ability as you've played the rest of the game that like you know what I mean Like are enemies suddenly getting way stronger with each update that make it not viable So destiny does power weird your item level, which is your power level or whatever It's just the the combination of the levels of all the items you're currently carrying
Starting point is 03:57:23 Right enemies have a specific power level, right? So an enemy will have like a power level of a thousand, right? If you are power level a thousand you will be doing the intended damage to them Right, like they would balance it however you would in a halo game or whatever the fuck, right? If you're 950 they will have a statistical advantage over you of about 50 points right Which means that if your favorite gun is two years old
Starting point is 03:57:55 And it is a fantastic meta weapon with the best perks and that you love the way it fires That means if you want to continue to use it That 950 gun in a 1000 Armor loadout will actually put you at power level 980, which will make you way Way weaker in power level 1000 content And that will only get worse over time Only in that content Yeah, only in the tough stuff, which is uh, they're pv the high end pvp or raids or stuff like that
Starting point is 03:58:25 Okay pause. Here's where I don't understand enough about the genre. Uh, will you ever Have to fight anything that is weaker than that current level enemy Totally you will have to go back and fight older things Yeah, there's there's tons of shit all over the place that have different power levels Yes, okay So it's not like everything you play and fight from this point forward will be 1000 No, it just means that Anything new or anything hard
Starting point is 03:58:56 This thing will not be worthwhile now people compare it to mmo's because in mmo's you have a gear treadmill, right? People are even saying like ff 14 does that in every raid patch where your guns are just numerically stronger, right? The problem with destiny's design is that in bottle fancy 14 in ever quest in ff 11 in world of warcraft Your sword is a stick with stats on it Mm-hmm It doesn't matter what it like it has a look, right? But it's just it's just stats. It's just a big goal You know stat juice. It's a number stick. Yeah, right?
Starting point is 03:59:34 It's a number stick. It doesn't matter In destiny the guns are like this is a sniper rifle that has a weird gimmick Or this is a machine gun that reloads when you kill that automatically reloads when you kill somebody They have functional gameplay changes Okay, so people get really attached to their specific guns. Okay Because when I upgrade my sword in ff 14, my character doesn't play any differently but when you tell me that my
Starting point is 04:00:03 You know god rolled perfect paradox shotgun is no longer viable for high-end content It's like that's my favorite shotgun in the game and there aren't many shotguns that feel anything like it So that's just gone. Yeah, okay. I get you that that essentially is gone when I want to go to a raid So that sucks. Yeah, that's terrible and is the idea of of of vaulting planets supposed to be that like We don't intimidate people by spoiling them for choice when they're new players No, it's that they have talked a lot where they've they've had something where like everything in the game gives good rewards And then people grind out to power cap too quickly and then they make it so only the newest hardest stuff has rewards and then
Starting point is 04:00:45 Most of the game's content is dead because 80 of the game's locations don't give you any good rewards So their solution is to give everything decent rewards and remove a third of the game So that it's oh my god, it's Yeah, that is um And that is and that is the final decision after Like weeks and weeks and weeks of board meetings About what the best way to address this would be clearly arguing
Starting point is 04:01:17 About the way the shit works for years Um now the the game is the game is the it has been developed in the weirdest way possible that I've ever seen In that like it was a non mmo that slowly became an mmo under activation and then under bungee and then they tried a seasonal model and then Six months into the seasonal model got the fucking Feedback that yo this sucks Um the other feedback hit really hard during their worst season I'm gonna go ahead and assume too that like the reason why you can't just uh
Starting point is 04:01:54 Scale upwards to create the difficulty you're looking for us because There is an intended Uh amount of let's say like if at the strongest cat at when a weapon is at cap If the strongest type of enemy you're gonna fight takes x number of bullets to fucking kill They don't want that to just be like well now you fight it for an hour instead of half an hour Yeah, so they don't want the fights to become nothing You're completely right. So the the thing is is that like people are like well Why don't you just make all the weapons stronger?
Starting point is 04:02:24 Yeah, and it's because eventually that creates a situation in which you have a machine gun that's blowing away bosses and enemies Enemies mean nothing. Yeah 100 and they actually had a period in the game Where they just said fuck it. Let's make everybody super powered and uh, they Realized they couldn't figure out how to design raid encounters anymore because players were unkillable Like there were a combination of abilities you could use Uh where like you would stand in a in a puddle and it would heal you constantly and improve your damage And if you killed any enemy the puddle would refresh And all sorts of stupid shit and they were like, oh, we can't kill players
Starting point is 04:03:01 We can't figure it out and that caused the situation in which they made bosses that could kill those players But then would trounce the shit out of everybody who wasn't using that busted shit. Right, right Do mmo's or schluders ever? ever Load enemies like uh scaled Oh, yeah, they're all scale One of the weirdest things about destiny is that you can only become like 20 power above something So stuff never really gets any easier. It can only be harder
Starting point is 04:03:33 But if you're rolling with a group of people then it's scaling to your highest, right? Yeah, yeah, okay Oh, no actually scaling individual Oh, okay, so you get in these weird situations where I can kill an enemy in one shot And it's and it's still and so things are scaling individually Oh man, that's a mess It dude the game is like I feel like they need to do like a whole Yeah, so what's bothering me all start over what's bothering me is that like I get what you're describing
Starting point is 04:04:05 And it sounds terrible, but I also can't simultaneously think of a better way to do it Like it's a it's a they have they have created a very weird very weird genre Where it's an mmo shooter and it's pretty much the only one And they have run into constant design problems and the weirdest thing by far Is that destiny one had item sunsetting, right? Like when it started And the biggest change they made to that game were like we hear you
Starting point is 04:04:37 We'll never sunset weapons again. You guys want to keep your weapons And then destiny two came out and I was like you'll keep your weapons forever guys. Don't worry Okay, we're gonna have to sunset Yeah, okay, and it's like been like for people that actually played destiny one during that period Like they are losing their minds because it's like they are just full reversing Like a change for the opposite reasons I mean, maybe maybe based on maybe the 10-year game is not the the ideal goal Maybe that being said I still like I'm downloading it right now. Yeah
Starting point is 04:05:15 Yeah Like I will I will go and find a destiny nerd after this podcast and ask them to explain to me what I missed Like, you know, when when they talk it up and say, hey, this is a decade-long experience Then we it's like and you if you if you're disappointed when it's not that then so be it but you know what probably Uh, uh allows this to be avoided destiny three like Yeah Jesus man
Starting point is 04:05:39 So they were planning on destiny three and then they stopped because they were like no We'll just continue iterating on destiny two and everyone's like maybe you should have well not everyone I'm like maybe you should have Destiny two is the game that got me to find out what glass door was Are you familiar with glass door? No It's a it's a review site for businesses where people After you leave a business you can write a review on what it was like to work there
Starting point is 04:06:09 And Uh, it's the reason why I found out about that site because people found that a ton of people Worked at bungee and then quit and then wrote reviews of them describing just how fucked up their development pipeline is Huh Anyway, sorry to rant and rave about that. It's just like no That sounds that sounds like a wild issue. Um, and it sounds like a issue that like I would imagine a lot of massive multiplayer games probably like
Starting point is 04:06:42 like balancing against people's like Balancing in such a way that you satisfy the occasional toe dabbler and the absolute min You know of of of like i'm going to get Everything done this weekend the first weekend that it's out and I will be the best and strongest And you will not hold me back instantly
Starting point is 04:07:08 And it's like, oh, well that we planned for this to last a lot longer than that But you didn't make it happen. Why'd you do that? It's like well because people don't want to wait that long. They just want to do it you know it's uh And in a model like this where it's updating they have a time limit to hit cap Because then cap's gonna rise again Um, I think the funniest thing is that like f of 14 in its current state when it came out One of the big criticisms is that the game is almost laughably traditional
Starting point is 04:07:40 You have tanks and dps and healers and that is your role. So you have four man parties eight man parties 24 man part, etc Right And when they interviewed the dev staff behind it, they're like, why did you make such a traditional mmo? And it's because well, we had know how to make mmo's work And if we put weird shit in we were afraid we were going to fuck it up again We know how to make this stuff work So we went and played it safe and f of 14 is really really safe But it works
Starting point is 04:08:17 Boy the core Shoot bang loop of destiny must be fucking crack It's really good After all this good that that's why When I say part seven the perfect paradox being retired. I actually really care because I love that shotgun Because yeah, like what the fuck is wrong with destiny two part eight, uh right now is like still just like What's good here? And it's like everything that you've not mentioned I suppose but dude, it's hilarious
Starting point is 04:08:50 They had like an event where like a fucking spaceship crashed into the earth and this huge explosion They were calling it like a fortnight style event Oh, yeah, it was an And it was an hour and a half really slow fireball I read about I read about the description of like you can see it in the sky. Yeah, I read it I read it There was a meteor or something and then like half an hour later Space station and then half an hour later it hit something and then the thing started exploding for another 20 minutes
Starting point is 04:09:19 It was just like oh, this sounds fucking garbage down on on the ground It blew So there was a balcony that you could watch it from when it hit down the shockwave like knocked you back about five feet sure And then like the the load the area loaded in in a different way So there'd be like a like a like a You know like a beam through like a wall or something. Yeah, and it's just like the most flaccid fart ever It's so embarrassing
Starting point is 04:09:48 But I mean just this idea where you're like, okay, listen, we want to have a live in-game event And it's gotta be cool. But also What if people miss it though? It's like, no, we've got to give them a chance also Like you're a Gundam fan. Yeah. Yeah. So this will make perfect sense The almighty which is the space station that hits the earth is approximately the size of a colony in Gundam Oh, wonderful. So we're sitting in Australia So we're we're in we're in the last city and the the touchdown is visibly on the horizon
Starting point is 04:10:25 And the the end result is a couple pieces of debris and like a crater Just a nice peaceful little Yeah, like 30 of the earth should have lived on yeah the planet cracks The planet fucking cracks when you drop a colony So like it's a space game and they don't have any sense of like meteoric scale. It's ridiculous Anyway, this is a log podcast. Yeah, no doomsday comets are like infinitely smaller Then uh, yeah a kilometer wide comet would be the end of you and me and everyone Um
Starting point is 04:11:06 Hey doom, you know when they shoot the planet. Yeah shoot mars. Yeah It's astonishing that the whole planet doesn't just completely fly apart considering like how much the damage is Yeah, and you know, there's another one, but it was a long question. So we'll save it for next time All right podcast defeated So So So
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