Castle Super Beast - CSB 082: Everyellow Content: Grocery Store Tenure

Episode Date: August 26, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:00 ... Slow News Week Slow News Week, totally no big happen this week. Not much going on. I have tons of time to talk about my air conditioner and grinding in 14. It's just, every once in a while, there's nothing going on and you just got to fill for time. It's usually in the summer too when it's just like, eh, nothing going on. There is zero to talk about.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Haha, that's a good one. I get it. You need a scientist to get that joke. A scientist. You want them to work in a lab. Yeah, you get it? Because scientists work in labs, do you understand? The kind that research hydrochloroquine.
Starting point is 00:01:26 Yeah, what? Hydrochloroquine. Okay, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I was about to say that we were heading into autumn. Yeah, there you go. And we should play some games. That's one of those things you can do. Listen, man, the Gutex going off on some crazy COVID shit is not...
Starting point is 00:01:46 You forgot that one on the docket. You forgot that on the docket. Oh my God, that was so sweet. You forgot that on the docket. That was so long ago. Gutex going off on some crazy shit there is like, that's not, listen, that's not game news. Okay. That's not game news.
Starting point is 00:01:58 That's not what I would constitute. That's just some wacky internet shit. That's a man using this Twitter. Here, hey, hold on. I would not call that game news. I would call that Twitch news. Sure. Sure.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Yes. As the embodiment of pog champ. More like gop champ. Yeah. So stupid. Did you see? Did you see? That's not my joke.
Starting point is 00:02:26 Cool credit champ controversy. I did not. But like, listen, I was, all I was going to say, look, look, look in the chat. A chat. Yeah. Those who you were subscribed to my Twitch channel, you can use the new and improved dog champ that supports vaccines. Sure.
Starting point is 00:02:42 Sure. Sure. There's that. There's that. Like I, to me, I'm just saying, I'm like, this is, this is not, this is not a new, a game news story. However, the, the punchline that is went from POG to GOP real quick is fucking. I'm like, all right.
Starting point is 00:03:00 It's pretty funny. That deserves a mention. It's pretty funny. Also, more specifically, the fact that you text is crazy is not new. It's new to me, right? But he's been crazy going back at least a couple of years. I saw buttons posting about it. And he was like, Oh yeah, look, here's the one where he says being poor is a mindset
Starting point is 00:03:25 you just got to work out of. I'm like, Oh God. Listen, man, when you see the future, it kind of unmakes you a little bit. Okay. You can't come back from seeing the future and be unchanged. So this is future blank. Yeah. And, and, and really you're just covering the eyes that have seen the worst of everything.
Starting point is 00:03:45 And it, it, again, it changes you. So, uh, you know, anyway, um, I legit thought that was like months ago. We're, we are in a time chamber, man. Like time is, it's fluid. It's a, it's a, it's a construct. It's merely a suggestion. It is what it is. Um, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Life comes at you fast. And, uh, yeah. Yeah. Broski FGC. That's the credit for that joke that I wanted to make sure. Um, it's been a well, there's a lot happening. There's been no other controversy. At all.
Starting point is 00:04:31 FGC this week. Hey, not a single one. Can we just like quickly get through our irrelevant shit so that we can talk about. Yeah. Let's let the storm. Right before, and I'm like, there's, he's like, there's a lot of news. I'm like, well, my week sucks. Does your week sucks?
Starting point is 00:04:46 And he's like, yeah. Okay. So who wants to hear about my week? I had a lot of people in my house to look at my house because my house was hot and I was sweaty and I was throwing a tantrum because my air conditioner was broken. Then the AC man came in and was like, Oh, God, dude, the train. It's weird. I'm like, I don't know what that means.
Starting point is 00:05:05 And he comes up to my fuse box and he's like, I gotta do your fuse. I don't know what that means. But then he did it all. Now the house is cold and I'm very happy. I also got a foundation guy to take a look at the leak. And then he looked at the thing and went, and then he went outside and looked at the thing and was like, Oh, that's not so bad. Sounds like being a homeowner is exactly what being a homeowner sounds like.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Paige, you know what? This is really great. This is really great. And now it's now it's on you. Yeah, sure is. I'm so sorry here. Oh boy. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:05:41 That's great. Are we looking at debut dog piss on the podcast? I have been peed on just now. Fuck. Yeah. Can I please have a paper towel? Yeah. Just give a cigarette.
Starting point is 00:05:57 I much prefer. Yeah, that's the dog. It's not a human. I prefer I prefer this type of passive interruption. Quite frankly, this is a this is what this is how it works. You know, don't even don't even don't even give the updates just occasionally get shat on. And this is going to have like a huge backstory to it that was going to be
Starting point is 00:06:21 avoided right up until I got peed on. So I took the dog today around 1130. So that page could go get her nails did. And then I'm like, make sure you're back before the podcast because I have, you know, the dog. And then she's like, idiot, it doesn't take two hours to do nails. So she came back in after the start of the podcast, waking the dog up and dog wake up and pee.
Starting point is 00:06:51 So thank you, darling. Thank you for the pee. I appreciate my live pee service. It really can I get something to wash my hands with to I got pee on my hands now. Wow. Truly. Why are you rolling your eyes at me?
Starting point is 00:07:05 You basically threw a jar of pee at me live. Okay. I was going to be quiet because it's the podcast. Yeah. I'm quiet. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Why? Why you throw the pee at me? You threw the pee. Yeah. Give me anything. I have pee on my thumb. This is my life now. Well, you know, this week, this week I played a game called Umi Neko Golden Fantasia,
Starting point is 00:07:41 but it looks like your life is the real Golden Fantasia. It is the real Golden Fantasia. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Don't, hey, don't worry about it. I will now every time. So this is, I don't know if this works like this with you.
Starting point is 00:08:01 But I don't, this does not upset me because what this means is that the next time I'm like, make sure to be there on time. I get to go and they're like, of course, of course I'll be there on time. Ever yellow content. But Paige, but Paige, you, you smarmily was like, of course, it's so stupid that you had to be there on my leg. Can I just say, can I just say, yeah, if I may, that yeah, have a discussion of bodily fluids is one thing.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Yeah. But now the actual, actual spawn. Actual spawning of fluids is another step. I wasn't quite ready for. No, there's no pee that I'm sitting in that hasn't already soaked into my body. So anyway, earlier this week, punch mom finally finished persona for the Golden. Oh, incredible. How perfectly timed.
Starting point is 00:09:14 So there's that. How, how gold was it? Well, not asparagus smelling gold, but, you know, it was, it was pretty good. Anyway, how about I just, should I just, why don't you take the week? Okay, well, listen, it wasn't that busy. But there was, there was a couple of things that occurred. For one, there was a, and I guess there's a, there's a bit of an overlap here, but I played the fall guys for the first time.
Starting point is 00:09:49 And I thought that, okay, all right, the level of, you know what, never mind, let's swerve. How about this? I watched a show called the boys, and that is based on a comic book. And it's based on the Garthenis comic. Excuse me a second. No problem. Do what you got to do.
Starting point is 00:10:08 This is, wow. He's eating the garbage water. Okay. Um, should we try this later? What are we doing? We need a minute. No, we can try it now. Do we need five, 10, 15, 20?
Starting point is 00:10:22 I, I do not need five minutes. No, thank you. Okay. Okay, so, uh, yes. So you saw the boys. I saw the boys and, uh, of course that was part of the, uh, sponsorship to do commentary for the Mortal Kombat 11, somebody's versus nobody's tournament. And, um,
Starting point is 00:10:43 Wait, really? Yes. It's the tournament. How's that work? Exactly. The MK 11 tournament is sponsored by the boys season two and the whole premise of the tournament was, um, a 128 man bracket eventually goes down to top eight and then the top eight get into a kumite with sonic fox.
Starting point is 00:11:01 So all eight have to fight sonic fox and then they get a prize. They get $1,000 for getting into top eight and then they get an extra 250 if they can beat sonic fox. And how they do. Uh, well that didn't happen yet. So that happens tomorrow. Yesterday was just deciding the top eight. And, uh, the, the, the premise of that, of that is basically because the boys is, uh,
Starting point is 00:11:22 about, it's a comic. Like I read back in college and then it's fun. It's gotten adapted into a, into a series now. And the, the idea is, you know, what if superheroes were real, right? But what the problem is that people are fucking dicks and assholes and celebrities, especially can be humongous pieces of shit. Yeah. Well, what if, what if Superman was the real person that had infinite power and no responsibility?
Starting point is 00:11:47 Exactly. So they're garbage. Exactly. So you have your justice league of complete scum, uh, who have giant social media followings. And anytime they do something fucked up, uh, there's a massive, uh, corporate cover-up to make sure that they don't damage the brand. Um, I believe like the, the, the fucking start, the catalyzing event is their equivalent of
Starting point is 00:12:10 the flash just like runs through a lady and just explodes her. Exactly. So the first pages of the comic and the first moments of the show are literally, there's a couple just having, just hanging out and, um, yeah, their speedster just runs through a person and then they're like, yeah, well, you know, it happens anyway. And then the dude's just like, what, what the, what the fuck? But my girl, she, she's missed now. You know, and, um, so it's one of those things.
Starting point is 00:12:40 And then you got to take the story from there. Obviously a bunch of people are not happy with, uh, your, your superhero, uh, league. And I think it's interesting because it took, um, this long to adapt into a show while the comic was around like some 18 years ago or so. Uh, maybe even, Oh, I thought it was like new. No, I read this in college. I read the comic.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Oh. Like right around the time I met you back in those days, you know, and, uh, I remember that at the time everyone was kind of aware if comic readers obviously were very well aware of what caped superheroes were. So the sort of like parody and takedown of that was, you know, like a, a, um, it was, it was, it was, it was understood, it was understood by its audience at the time. But I think the timing of this predates something like injustice by decades. Of course.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Yeah. And, and so now that we're in a post MCU world, there's like literally the first couple seconds you see like a parody Marvel MCU kind of intro. Um, and it kind of has the same kind of music swelling theme playing and you're like, okay, now that everybody has seen MCU movies, they get this joke. You know, uh, it was basically a, a, a. It's weird. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:01 It was one of those things where like that show would not have landed as well if the MCU hadn't come and gone and become such a big thing. So the timing of it now makes a lot of sense because you don't have to explain like a lot of these characters or what the deal is and whatnot. Like obviously the fast one. Yeah. There's, there's the Wonder Woman. There's your fish man.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Exactly. Um, and for the most part, uh, it, it, uh, from what I remember, they do a pretty, a pretty good job adapting it and kind of, you know, staying true to the, the, the, the, the tone and what's going on. Keep in mind, of course, this is Garth Ennis. So, uh, it's edgy and it's unquestionably edgy. It's unapologetically edgy. And it, and it, I've seen some edgy clip.
Starting point is 00:14:45 Yeah. It goes edge. It definitely goes edge and the books went edge. And if anything, I would say the show kind of takes a couple of moments and like almost de-edges them a little bit. Really? Um, by in some cases, like I remember, uh, there's another like first issue kind of moment is, Hey, new girl, welcome to the, the justice league equivalent.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Right. Welcome to the seven. Um, yeah. Let me show you the ropes around here. All right. Check it out. This is the cool room. This is where all the heroes are.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Now I'm going to drop my pants and you're going to, you know, show me how much you want to be a part of the justice league. Essentially. Right. And then it would be one of the edgy clips that I would saw. So and it just kind of cuts from there with a big old, what the fuck is happening? Right. And like the show would then, instead of cutting right there has a bit of a moment afterwards
Starting point is 00:15:44 of the, uh, of the, the new girl in question being like, are you fucking crazy? I'll kill you. And then like getting, and then adding a bit of a reaction to it. So it just kind of, instead of cutting away from that moment directly, there is more of a like a resistance and build up to what it is in a way. So it kind of like adds that to the scene. Um, and there's other things where I feel like, again, I don't remember specific instances because it's been so long, but like, I feel like, um, it generally, generally does a pretty,
Starting point is 00:16:25 a pretty good job, you know, again, keeping to the, the, the, the, the events that unfold. The Superman equivalent, of course, uh, which, you know, this, I feel like the Superman equivalent is, is, uh, he's, um, homelander is the Superman you have in your head. No, it's not the Superman that I have in my head. It's, it's actually, it's the one thing that I liked about Batman, Batman, Batman versus Superman, which is, it's not the Superman that I think there is, but it is the Superman that could be. It's definitely that.
Starting point is 00:17:00 You don't like it? If you just felt like it, and that actually kind of comes up in a way where there's like a bit of an, uh, there's a bit of, uh, you know, a part of this where they're like, okay, for those who are aware how humongously insane, uh, these assholes are, um, what do you feel about it? And it's like, well, there are those who are like, no, no, keep it covered up, keep the public happy. And then there are those who are like, if this person gets upset and turns on us, what the
Starting point is 00:17:29 fuck are we supposed to do about it? So he can, he can take us all out, shut up and keep him happy, you know, uh, so you kind of have that discussion occurring as well. Yeah, I think, uh, I think, um, it's pretty, pretty solid. Eight episodes, an hour each, uh, pretty quick binge all in all. And, uh, Say an hour, is it a real hour? Is it like a 42 minute?
Starting point is 00:17:52 A real hour. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. 54, 55, 56 in some cases, sometimes a little bit over. Um, there was one that was definitely like 105, but, um, anyway, uh, yeah, it ended up being, it ended up being a pretty, pretty solid opening season and it went past. I didn't finish the comic series.
Starting point is 00:18:13 I, I read the first, uh, I want to say a couple volumes or issues I did against over 20 years ago, but I, I definitely watched past the point that I read to. Um, and something I thought was pretty interesting is the original character in the comics was, um, basically a Simon peg stand in. It was just like, yo, we drew Simon peg as the main guy and he's the dude whose, uh, girlfriend gets popped, you know, and, um, the, with the, and obviously since this is so many years later, uh, Simon peg can't possibly do this job or this role. He's way too old now, but he is cast in the show as the main character's dad.
Starting point is 00:18:56 So that was a nice little like homage to what was intended. I kind of thought that was great. It was like, Hey, they still got him in there, but he's just too, he's way too aged. You know, it's, it reminds me, I haven't had Sam Jackson complaining about Django. Okay. How about the fact that he could remember? He's too old to be Django. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:16 He, he, he talked to an interview about how Tarantino was like, you got to be in my movie and he's like, man, if this movie had been made 15 years ago, I would have been fucking Django, but instead I got to play this fucking like complicit like slave master asshole. He was like, he seemed like really like genuinely better than he had gotten old. So what it reminds me of another version of that is Donald Glover and Spider-Man. Like Miles Morales looks like Donald Glover in his first appearances and everyone's like, Oh shit, are we doing this?
Starting point is 00:19:48 And it's like, nah, he's too old now. We've waited too long, but just slightly too old, but he can be the uncle in, um, homecoming, you know, so he gets in there in a like referential way, but he's still attached to it because obviously the intended casting is just, it was meant for the time that it was made and now that this took a while to happen, the person's aged out of the role, you know, um, so, but that's still a cool aspect to it. And, um, yeah, all in all, like, you know, it was one of those things where I'm
Starting point is 00:20:19 like, okay, I'll take like this, this, uh, that the whole deal, the deal is to promote the second season is that's what the sponsorship is about. But I'm like, yeah, this is a comic I remember enjoying. So like, let me check this adaptation out. I heard good things about it and I was like, yeah, okay, good job. You know, um, definitely want to see where season two goes. And it's, you know, it's got its moments. It's got its stuff where it's like, uh, like we're like, again, the edginess
Starting point is 00:20:45 also involves like we're taking the piss out of the, the, the Justice League and just in some cases we're taking the, the, the like sometimes it's taking the piss out of them and sometimes it's dropping trowel and just dumping all over what they're supposed to be. Um, and I can appreciate that the, uh, the Aquaman slash Namor equivalent, the water boy in this show just is just a punching bag. Like it is the deep. He is basically, so he's the guy that drops his pants in the first
Starting point is 00:21:30 step, in the first part, the first couple, uh, the first episode and just spends the rest of the season just like an asshole and they're like, yeah, that's what we're going to do. We're just going to make him eat shit for the rest of this. You know, um, yeah, I think, uh, uh, the way I described it during commentary was there are some actions that are so unsafe on block that they take seven and a half hours to recover from. And this would be one of them because that's, that's exactly eight episodes
Starting point is 00:22:09 there. Um, but yeah, that's, that's the boys. Check it out, you know, um, not much else to say without obviously spoiler territory, but it's an old ass story. Um, and I, and I, I want to go flip through the comics again, just a little bit to remind myself what was going on, but are the comics done? Yeah. Years ago for sure.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Okay. Um, and in some cases like no, no grim situation here. No, I don't think so, but I didn't, I think I'm pretty sure they're, they finished off. Um, and the guy who plays Billy Butcher, the, the other secondary protagonist is a way better, I'd say way better cast in the show than in the original comic as a square jaw buff dude. But yeah, that's the boys.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Um, beyond that MK 11 commentary had a good time being ready to just sat down, watched as, uh, that, that, that happened yesterday and catching up on that game. It's pretty cool, man. That's a game where like, they're like, yo, we're not, I think Ed Boone said we're not even close to done with content for this game. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:12 So straight up, they're like, haven't they done like three seasons, three seasons after math happened. They brought out Robocop. They brought out spawn. They brought out, uh, Shang Tsung and, uh, uh, just, you know, uh, um, Shiva and Joker, you know, lots and lots of stuff. And, uh, yeah, they're like, yeah, we're not, there's, there's, there's more coming apparently.
Starting point is 00:23:36 So cool. They got a good thing going. You know, I say, why not? If I all means let the people who are enjoying it enjoy it. And it's also a healthy quarantine game because yo, it's got rollback. So the net play is good. People have been playing fine together. And, uh, that's one of those games where the community is, is, is it's happy.
Starting point is 00:23:55 You know? Um, so yeah, MK is cool. I wish I liked that game better because the support behind it is been incredible. Yeah. I, I, I know what you mean. I, I learned to love it based on the characters that I dig, you know, uh, Kotal, um, uh, noob Saibot and, uh, Geras, I think are, are pretty rad. And I'm like, yeah, let's, uh, let's spend some time with them.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Here's the time guy. Geras is, uh, time Michael Clark Duncan. Okay. Um, you know, and then Joker's in there and he's got, uh, he's got a move where he lunges at you with a crowbar and it's called bird boy beat down. Okay. So they're having fun with it. They're having fun with it.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Uh, anyway, beyond that, I also played the fall guys for the first time this week. Oh, that was your first time. That was my first time touching the game. You know, how do you like that? I thought it was pretty fun. And I think it makes sense why this game is blowing up. I think it's going to be, um, it's going to be here. And the length of its stay is determined entirely by how often they drop new
Starting point is 00:25:15 shit into the game. Yeah, that's, I think that's what I said last week or the week before. It's just like, you play it for like five hours. You're like, I've seen every map multiple times. I need 10 more. Yeah. I mean, 10 more right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Um, and I feel like the, the fact that everyone is similarly like gimped in their ability to move and it feels like the characters you're playing in the fall guys can barely stand up to begin with. It feels like you're, it feels like you're a toddler taking their first steps for the whole game. That's how I feel like the way they're running is just toddler about to fall, but not falling. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:56 The way that, the way that, uh, they tip over with even the slightest nudge, nothing or, uh, incline. And then there's the fact that, um, it's also a game that's made to just fuck you over on luck. So like skill will let you do some sick things. Like use the spinning, uh, clock hands to knock yourself away further ahead. Use crazy physics to do amazing things. And I've seen some clips of that on Twitter, but you are definitely not
Starting point is 00:26:24 meant to, uh, overcome the overall luck factor, you know. Yeah. It's, it's like, you look at a map like seesaws and depending on who's in front of you at what rate, like you just can't move forward at all. If they're all on the other side. I think, uh, one of the most exemplary moments was, uh, having a run where I started on the front line. So I'm like, okay.
Starting point is 00:26:51 And I ran through the doors. It was the teeth doors and I, I got the right door every single time. Except for the second to last one. And then when that happens and the true door is the furthest on the other end, it's like, you make it over there and the funnel just knocks you over like eight times and you're just like, yeah, that's, that's, that's right. That's what's supposed to happen. That is correct.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Has gotten me the most times is the one with the, um, the fake platforms and the real platforms where I almost invariably, somebody knocks me over with like two squares to go totally. And then it's just like, oh, but here's the question. I did love, I did love the, the, the creation of, uh, one woolly John's Madden, uh, as a term, indeed, that is a hilarious term. Well, the fun ball guys is the saltiest shit in the world. It is, but the, the funny part about woolly John's Madden is that John's
Starting point is 00:27:53 imply an excuse as to why you lost, whereas I'm saying that I am, I, I'm saying I should be losing for a while until I figure this shit out. Like I'm, I'm taking it as we should all be losing to people who know better and how to, and I know how to play properly because it's the first time I'm touching the game, you know, so that's, uh, each time. So like learning about the game, like I remember that. So that one you just described. For example, it was like, okay, so you run over the, the platforms and you're
Starting point is 00:28:28 like, okay, we can either play this two ways. We can just try to take our guesses or we can follow the others, right? And it's like, okay, following the others helps, but there's a certain point where you're like, but you can't just wait the whole time. I was like, you can, but if no one's taking the chances, they're not, there's the, you know, you have a little bit of a, should I take the next step or should I just wait for someone else to do it? And I ended up on a game where we were all like two blocks away from the
Starting point is 00:28:52 finish, but no one wanted to take a leap of faith. So it was just a weird bubble of everybody standing together. And now we're just getting pushed off of the single tile in a way. You know, and I was like, yeah, and I'm like, okay, eventually someone's going to get bullied into trying out the next tile, you know, but, um, yeah, it was, uh, if you ever get like one tile away, then you can, uh, you can leave it. But not two, only one.
Starting point is 00:29:20 No. Yeah. So that's what it was, you know? So yeah, I'm just looking at this as like, okay, like you get hit with that fan, you get rocked, you tie the timing it takes to run back up, to try it again. You're going to get rocked forever as you must have witnessed. I've witnessed, huh, I've witnessed, there's the amber clip where she's trying the doors.
Starting point is 00:29:46 There's the page clip with the windmills. Yep. Uh, I personally have gotten on windmills ping ponged between the different goddamn, uh, like not the, not the windmills themselves, but the floor spinners, I guess you would call them, like the long bars that float around. You can get knocked off one into another back to the original and back and forth. So, um, yeah, that type of shit is ridiculous. Of course we talked about the falling all the way to the bottom and then just
Starting point is 00:30:14 in the final, like a platforms one, falling all the way to the hexagons that are like on the last layer and clearing that out while everybody fights above, you know, um, yeah, there, there, there, I was talking to plague about that. And, uh, he basically explained to me that there's two ways to win that either do the top all the way down as best you can, or do the bottom as fast as you can and just hope that everybody else fucks up at a speed that makes you win. But, um, but yeah, I see it as like, like coming into it, especially with like Reggie and Min sitting there, just like, uh, we were
Starting point is 00:30:48 talking about the, the, the expectation of jumping into like anything like this with a pseudo bottom royal system and, and expecting to win. And like, was like, that shouldn't even remotely be in your brain. Like that, that's not like, you can maybe survive. That's why elimination is, is the criteria and not victory. Hmm. I think, um, the tail grabbing ones are my fucking nightmare. Those are the bane of my existence.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Um, I feel like both versions of that are just like, uh, I just, I, I'm having a hard time clicking with it. Um, and the, uh, what was the other one I saw, uh, there was the jump through the hoops one. I thought that was pretty sick. Jump through the hoops is fine. Hoops is really good. It's probably the best of the team games because most of the team games
Starting point is 00:31:39 just seem awful. Hmm. But, um, but you definitely, the one with the eggs is just the shittiest ever. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The egg blockers, that seemed, yeah. There was also, I watched the game of like the soccer balls, but not soccer, but push your track, put your, push your ball down track. And then at the end, you can just go hold other people's ball from going in.
Starting point is 00:32:04 Um, but you know, uh, all that to say though, like, you got to go through these and kind of figure out what's happening and then eventually discover like what you can and cannot do before you even stand a chance at outlasting, I think, you know? So, uh, like someone just shouted that you can totally jump two blocks, which I'm like, Oh fuck news to me, the perfect example of not knowing something. And unless that person's wrong, now I want to go try to jump to now. I want to go test it, you know?
Starting point is 00:32:32 So this is exactly what I mean is like that's knowledge that allows you to win more often, increases your chances. Fuck you like, like you have not having that initially is going to be a lot harder than if you do have that piece of information, you know? There's, uh, there's paths during windmills that you can walk where the windmills can't hit you. Perfect. Uh, yeah, like, uh, you know, the, you know, the middle, uh, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:55 with the super fast windmill. Uh, so if you, if you go on the, like the far left edge so that your left foot is like kind of off the, the platform, even if the windmill hits you, it will hit you straight down instead of, instead of to the right. Yeah. Yeah. I saw there was one where you had to snake up a platform and like the person in the clip was like jumping up instead of like fully doing of the, the
Starting point is 00:33:20 turns climb, climb. Yeah, that one's really crazy. They were doing, they were jumping up the platforms instead of snaking, you know, and just like, okay, okay. So there's ways, there's ways, you know, but, um, yeah, shout out to this game for coming out and knowing, knowing right away that it's going to be popular. And so they have a battle pass system in place and a rotating store. Cause it's like, that's the type of shit you put in where you have a lot
Starting point is 00:33:41 of people playing your game, but they obviously the server crashes indicate that they were not capable of handling the amount of people that they got on it. Well, that and the fake ass names that everybody has now, that too as well. I got a super used a bathroom. Okay. You want to mumble for a little bit? And I'll mumble for a little bit. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to my mumble cast. I think we should kill Superman. I think I should get a big gun and shoot Superman until he is dead. That works for me. Uh, what the hell? I go, I'm playing force. What the fuck did I, did I play anything of notes this week?
Starting point is 00:34:20 I can't eat. I'm at the point in my life where I look, I have to go look at my fucking VOD schedule in order to see what the hell I was doing. Went through RA7 again. Our seven is fucking great. Shocker. Uh, I'm going to be playing fucking control this week. I'm not going to be playing a heart of Demos.
Starting point is 00:34:39 I don't, I don't really care about heart of Demos at all, but I'm going to go back to control for foundation and, uh, all and all I can think of is how I didn't play, uh, Alan wakes America nightmare and how I totally should have played Alan wakes America nightmare. I, you know, people of people are, you know, audio listeners, people in the chat are screaming at me for mortal shell. I think that game looks terrible. Like maybe I'm crazy.
Starting point is 00:35:06 Let's go look at mortal shell. Let's go, let's go look at a video of mortal shell. I'm just going to go look at it. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't get it. Sorry from that.
Starting point is 00:35:26 It's nice being in a cold house again. Does, um, doesn't that story all connect in a linear fashion? What story? Um, control Alan wake. Oh yeah. It goes Alan wake, Alan wakes America nightmare, uh, control, control DLC, control DLC. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:47 Okay. Because you find, uh, you find out that in control that you play control. I started it, but like, yeah, the obviously it's a Alan wakes thing is, is, is, uh, is an object of power. Yeah. It's just straight up and that the, the, the, there is a, uh, um, they're called a WES altered world offense and there was a big ass altered world events down in, uh, whatever town he was in that was, yeah, it was, it was thrown in.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Yeah. It was, it was thrown in like one of the early logs touch it talks about that. Yeah. So don't worry about spoilers guys. It's a really bad one with some writer out there. Oh, it was crazy. It's a pretty early thing. I'm kind of shocked they didn't do the one they didn't like rope quantum
Starting point is 00:36:30 break in there, but then I'm like, they probably couldn't. Well, probably like a bizarre ownership thing with that. I feel like the right thing to do would be to hint at it without a direct connection because of legal. Yeah. Don't fuck yourself over by drawing a link. You cannot actually expound upon. Mm hmm.
Starting point is 00:36:51 So, uh, anyway, so yeah, right weeks, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Who cares if you want to check out my stream, go down to twitch.tv slash past stairs at streaming control and, uh, there's more as evil as we, if you want to check out, uh, what we've got going on, uh, woolly versus. You got woolly versus on YouTube, woolly versus on Twitch. Um, going to be continuing with Mario 1000 year door. Going to be playing, um, something on get into fighting games.
Starting point is 00:37:20 I'm still deciding, but I have, uh, I have at least some ideas set up. Fightcade is definitely a thing that I got going that we can do. Plus, um, our last, uh, two fighting games we played Umi Neko and, um, breakers revenge, we were able to successfully play through Parsec. So, uh, anybody with a controller can just connect and play against us in fighting games, even if you don't own the game. Um, so that's a pretty cool situation. I'm glad it works out.
Starting point is 00:37:52 So we're going to be, um, we're going to be continuing that, uh, for the foreseeable future, whenever there's a game that like could use Parsec to benefit from the setup. Also at the end of the Mortal Kombat stream, just in case anybody, uh, was confused as to what was, uh, what I was talking about. I think because this was sponsored, there was a list of priority, like people that were going to get like promoted Twitch wise and I had no idea, but I think by always the case being a rebroadcaster, uh, once the official
Starting point is 00:38:29 evil geniuses stream went down, uh, they kind of went, yo, let's put the woolly versus his stream on the front page. I've never been on the front page. So that's nice. Very, very congratulations honored for that to happen. Oh yeah. You know, Hey, it's a big honor.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Really glad that went down. Um, and what better way, what better way than for that to happen while my stream is ending and we are closing out with my obnoxiously long outro, which has only grown in like, it is now probably eight minutes. Oh, that's good. I like that. I would have to guess maybe longer, but that's where I think it is. And as they dropped us on the front page, a good old heaping of Bible black,
Starting point is 00:39:16 uh, followed by some boo, and, um, and everything, including Namco X capcom, uh, all of it just pushed for the world to see, uh, you know, uh, all of it, all of it. And, uh, I think people left shortly after that. Oh yeah. They didn't hang around for the, for the, you know, the programming. And, uh, then eventually, Hey, we went offline and, uh, Twitch switched over to someone else, but this is what happens.
Starting point is 00:39:53 You join, you put my channel on the fucking front page and you get what you deserve and 10,000 people, uh, were forced to see Bible black that night. So we did it. If I were to ever be front page, I would likely like not even be on camera and be like in the kitchen crying about something. Yeah. No, that's, this is what I'm saying. Like I wouldn't, that's not true.
Starting point is 00:40:19 I would have it every other way, but yeah, but that's not the world we live in. We live in a world where this is how it has to happen to me and this is my life. So this is how I'm going to take it. 10 out of 10. You know. Uh, anyway, um, that's Wally versus on Twitch. So enjoy. All right.
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Starting point is 00:50:48 Uh, I get it. Yeah. Hey, so, um, dude, like the Mike Z situation launch party has been temporarily moved the launch party situation as it stands is that, uh, autumn games owns the IP for skull girls and, uh, the, the folks working on the mobile game hidden variable, uh, are going to continue doing so, but let's take it from the top. Uh, we've talked about how Mike Z has been in the news. Uh, the first week, um, was based on some, uh, the creepy interactions.
Starting point is 00:51:29 The second week was based on, uh, the stream with Sharpie, poorly timed, uh, racist jokes, joked inland. And, uh, third and most recently is just a whole lot of legal awfulness that we're hearing about, and it's such a bummer because, um, basically you're watching as multiple people that are instrumental, uh, to skull girls and to lab zero are just like, I can't be a part of this company anymore. So, um, that's rough because you, we've been following the story of, uh, this game, you know, for, since fucking God, like 10, 15, maybe over 10, over 10 years
Starting point is 00:52:16 now for sure. Um, so I spoke with, um, some folks, uh, entering around the skull girl slash lab zero situation, and I would like to specifically, uh, repute, I'm seeing some folks saying like Mike Z didn't do anything wrong aside from a bad joke and yada, yada, people don't quit your company on mass to get away from a boss. If they just tell a bad joke every now and then they do so because they're an asshole, I think everyone hates working with them. I think, um, like that's one of those stances you can take as you are, uh, in
Starting point is 00:53:00 the dark on how the details of these things come out. And when there's more and more to read through, um, it gets more and more damning and I feel like, uh, the one from kinuko was like probably the roughest. Um, so I've, uh, yeah, they're, they're all pretty bad. Uh, the, the ones that, that stuck out to me was basically everybody had long histories with Mike Z and I was like, ah, he's bad sometimes, but he's an okay guy. But then after the two big newsworthy events occurred, everybody started swapping stories and came to the conclusion of like, Oh, this dude's
Starting point is 00:53:44 just an asshole 24 seven to every single person in this office. The, yeah, the, the, the, the, the pattern, so to speak, kind of started to come together and people started kind of, uh, putting together a larger narrative and figuring out what's going on. So, uh, behind the scenes though, uh, according to, well, again, we're, we're, I didn't get to the point of it, but, um, uh, kinuko, um, persona and, uh, EU O three, uh, have left lab zero. Um, and, uh, that is the art director, um, as well as, uh, artists on the team,
Starting point is 00:54:24 um, and animator, uh, so like basically the people that have more or less made it made skull girls, what it looks like, you know, and Alex Ahad left, uh, earlier as well, actually. Um, so that was a big part of this as well. When people were like, Hey, like they're looking, they're kind of saying, like, Hey, skull girls was something not made by one person. It wasn't just Mike. See, there's a whole lot of people here involved on it.
Starting point is 00:54:46 So they all left. Um, and, uh, what we can kind of see is that after, uh, earlier this year, there was a switch over so that, um, Mike, he was the 100% owner of lab zero games. And then this was the start of a process. Like once he, once he got that, it was then going to begin a process by which the company was co-owned by all the employees and they were going to do a shared ownership, uh, situation where every employee then, uh, is, uh, reaps the benefits of the work they do.
Starting point is 00:55:22 So basically like they split whatever profits. I had no idea that the, the shared ownership thing was coming in. Yeah. Well, it wasn't public news, right? It was like from what, what we understand is we, it was revealed when these announcements came out that, um, uh, he had, so he got, he, he got, uh, 100% ownership and then that was the first step of a process by which they were going to have a profit share situation for the employees of lab zero.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Um, of course, when, uh, the news stories we just mentioned popped up, things got a lot worse and they basically started discussing, uh, where to go from there and how to finish this process. And, um, according to the, uh, resignation letters from the employees I mentioned, um, things more or less grind to a halt because, uh, there was a, um, a point at which a mic was then going to leave and then they were discussing the terms, uh, by which he would leave and he's like, give me all the money. I want all the money.
Starting point is 00:56:29 And they said that, uh, it was not a reasonable request that they could actually follow through on like whatever the, whatever, we don't know what the details of, of the discussion were, but whatever they were, um, the remaining employees at lab zero felt that it was unfair and unreasonable. We don't want to give you all the money, Mike. We're trying to get rid of you. So then negotiations kind of broke down and, uh, uh, Mike kind of vetoed the situation and said, okay, well, I'm taking over as the sole owner and, um, you
Starting point is 00:57:03 know, as the sole owner of the company, he kind of does have a hundred percent control and then there was a second attempt at negotiations, but at that point, everyone was so upset at that initial, uh, yeah, what about as well as you would expect veto and, you know, sort of like power move that everyone just kind of said, okay, fuck this. Um, and as it stands, people are just kind of like, okay, we're walking away from the company. So, uh, right now it has definitely, uh, yeah, it's escalated to the point that
Starting point is 00:57:35 these major figures, um, you know, like I said, Kenuko, the, uh, the, uh, art director and persona, the, uh, animation, uh, animator on Skullgirls and EU03 and artists on Skullgirls all just basically said, yeah, uh, we're out. And then, um, the mobile game, uh, staff, hidden variable and autumn games, uh, released a joint statement specifying that, um, despite what's going on with lab zero legally as a company, uh, Skullgirls as an IP is owned by autumn games and hidden variable is working on Skullgirls mobile content entirely and, uh, and they're making the character for the, um, release in second encore for, for
Starting point is 00:58:26 2021, as we talked about last week and essentially that they're going to keep working with their teams on more Skullgirls stuff, but, uh, going forward, they won't be working with lab zero. So, uh, the plan is to basically circumvent lab zero and what's going on with Mike Z as much as possible by distancing Skullgirls as a brand from them and from him and, uh, you know, meanwhile on the community side of things, uh, obviously, uh, Sharpie, uh, someone who's a huge part of that community and, uh, who I, you know, uh, did, uh, an episode of, of, of getting to fighting games with came
Starting point is 00:59:03 out and said, yeah, like, uh, community-wise, not, he's not welcome to release, uh, participate in these events and do commentary and such. And Sonic Fox also an outspoken person who, uh, was someone who like in the spotlight, um, they had to kind of initially speak out on behalf of and sort of defend, uh, uh, Mike initially, but then they also were having very public conversations going, let's talk privately, let's figure out what's going on here. And then I think after this third time, right, the third strike, so to speak, um, Sonic Fox basically was saying, like, yeah, then the, the story
Starting point is 00:59:43 here that we were lied to about the type of person he is, is something that I can't really deny. So then they said, um, this is, this is pretty much it. You know, that's a wrap. So, uh, Skullgirls, one of those things that is, is, uh, just forever cursed with I don't like Mike. See this blight of, uh, of a situation ongoing. And what, just when you think you can fucking let it, just let it play out
Starting point is 01:00:15 and let people play the game. That's a good, you know, um, yay. Look, new characters coming. That's awesome. Oh, fuck. You know, um, it hurts, man. And when it, when it, when, uh, there's so much going on where you're just like at the core, this is just a fucking great game that, that, that the team
Starting point is 01:00:37 that worked on this doesn't deserve to have like such so much time that they've put into and so everything going on. And besides, besides all the shit they've worked on, I mean, every team works on a game and puts their, puts what they, they can into it, but I'm definitely, you know, someone who fucking loves these games and, uh, uh, you know, like Indivisible is also absolutely going to be hit by this, you know, and that's a game that like, I definitely know that, you know, uh, it, it didn't land anywhere near as successful as Skullgirls did, but it's
Starting point is 01:01:09 still something that I, it's already kind of wrapped up in this, what, with the way it got released on Kickstarter, like, like bam. And then, and then, um, publishing wise, and I think that's why Alex, like the part of the reason why Alex left, who had to do more with the way Indivisible kind of came out without them, uh, being, getting a heads up on like, you know, the, the, from the publishing and stuff like that, like a weird, huge conflict going on there. So, um, there was other messes involved and, uh, I, I, I've, I'm definitely
Starting point is 01:01:41 someone who enjoyed Indivisible more than most people that, that, but I will say that either way, however you feel about it, like, uh, these are games that like, um, yeah, right now they're just a bittersweet, uh, thing to anybody who worked on them. And, uh, you know, I really do hope that like that team can, I, who knows, it's too soon to say anything about whatever they're going to move on to and whatever they're going to work on. You, you know, I saw the point of view of, of like a fan of the game, like the
Starting point is 01:02:13 game is actually just attached to, I guess the easiest way to say it would be not Mike Z. Um, it's attached to, I don't know why autumn games owns it, but I guess they do, but okay. So, um, and, uh, the, the people that I spoke to is like more people are going to quit and I just foresee a situation as, as Mike holds on to his ball and says that his ball will always be his lab zero will basically disintegrate entirely and just reform into, I, I'm going to guess lab one, yeah, and a Z.
Starting point is 01:02:51 Well, you that you can't, that's the thing is you can't really expect this type of plan to work out of like, I'm going to hold the name and then everyone involved is like, okay, well, uh, I think I'm going to leave, you know, um, but we'll, there's other employees besides the ones we listed. So we'll have to wait and see how that goes, but two or three more. Um, and don't forget that point. The studio becomes like, there's not a people to run it. Well, lab zero is already a second iteration of what was originally
Starting point is 01:03:18 reverge, you know, there was a name prior to that. So this is a little bit of a, uh, seeds, clover, platinum situation. Kind of, yeah, but one would hope that the family ended up being a huge asshole. Oh, well, well, the, the, uh, the, if, if, if that is, if that is a parallel narrative, uh, one would hope that, you know, between seeds, clover, platinum, that, you know, the final evolution of this team gets to that, uh, Blastoise level. So we'll see. Um, but yeah, I do, I do have something to say about this on a personal level.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Uh, uh, I don't like Mike see, and this is very unsurprising to me. Uh, I did think the lag thing that, uh, he may or may not have been responsible for with skull girls was really funny. But like, I have very much disliked him ever since he was on our podcast. Okay. I, that podcast sucked. I didn't feel the same way. I liked Mike Z.
Starting point is 01:04:18 I, uh, have like, I've, I've, I've spoken with him online and I've never met him in person, but, um, there was once, actually, that's not true. There's once at a tournament before I knew him early, early, early at like a fucking super, uh, years ago at a West, not West coast, at an East coast throwdown where we were in the same elevator for like a second when skull girls was being demoed for the first time. But, um, I've, but like, uh, yeah, ever since like, uh, all this has been going on, well, prior to all this, ever since skull girls came out and was a thing
Starting point is 01:04:50 and all this was happening. And you know, um, uh, getting, uh, you know, Baz colors in there and getting into the background of the game and, uh, getting indivisible stuff going as well. And talking about how to implement, uh, all that stuff. You know, it's been, it's been pleasant, um, on my end. And, uh, I always wanted to get a chance to be like, Hey, what's up in person? You know, uh, I think there was two events I went to in America where, uh, we were at the same tournament, but just never actually got to meet.
Starting point is 01:05:21 And, uh, remember at one point, like when it was like, Oh yeah, he was in top eight for, um, guilty gear. And I kind of came to look around, but didn't see him. Um, but, uh, I just, I had a different impression. I had an impression that was mostly pleasant conversation on a personal level. So my impression was mainly that he did the podcast to shill indivisible and was this hyper sanitized corporate CEO man. And then the instant we stopped recording, he turned into an FGC man and
Starting point is 01:05:49 started talking shit about a bunch of people that we had just discussed in pleasant terms and was giving us actually really good, funny podcast shit that he refused to actually have go live on the podcast. And it made him seem like a fake two faced asshole. To, uh, to me, I felt like most of the conversation, uh, especially later on years later that I had online and in talking about indivisibles, uh, uh, implementation and stuff that I got definitely a sanitized normal seeming version of, uh, the dude.
Starting point is 01:06:31 And I feel like that's kind of, uh, overall what people outside of lab zero kind of felt they're like, uh, you know, from what, what like Sonic Fox and other people have, uh, echoed. It's like a feeling that it's like, yeah, there was a, a, an impression you got. And then occasionally there might be these, these jokes here and there, but overall there's just a little bit of awkwardness and, and that's about it really, but piecing it all together. Turns out there's some, you know, uh, an overall really weird, uh, uh, situation.
Starting point is 01:07:03 And, and, and I guess even if you were to, I guess take away the like personal, uh, elements of this and like there's the, there's definitely the, you know, the shit where it's like, uh, Keanu cakes talks about the like extra weird sexual conversations that were like super uncalled for like there, there are essentially two types of stories that are coming out. One is the story that almost every guy had from lab zero, which is like, he was a arrogant, petulant child that would only work on features if he wanted to. And you would have to beg him to do it.
Starting point is 01:07:39 And then there's the female version of the story, which just includes a bunch of unwanted physical attention and sexual harassment. And those, those are a little bit of a racial story there too. Um, I did, I missed that one. Um, yeah. There was a dude who left that had a really awkward series of conversations uh, prior to these, this stream, that is, uh, so, um, you know, but, but what I was going to say is that like, I think if you just even outside, if you
Starting point is 01:08:07 just like whatever that stuff is, cause as you mentioned earlier, so some folks are kind of like, eh, bad jokes, not a big deal. None of this is all of this is overblown. And if that's the way you feel, then that's the way you feel. But I, I want to say that like on just a level of like handling the exit of the company slash the, the negotiation thing where it's kind of like, okay, shut down talks and like take, take the ball and go home, so to speak. Um, at least seeing this one side of the story, that doesn't look productive
Starting point is 01:08:37 in any way, shape or form, you know? Yeah, it's, it's, that's the weirdest situation. And I mean, I'm obviously not a lab zero employee and I don't know how exactly it went down. But if you're like, Hey, this guy's a jerk. Let's get rid of him. And he's like, but I'm the owner. Like the idea that that's going to go anywhere other than, but I'm the owner.
Starting point is 01:08:57 But I'm the owner. Fuck off. Yeah, it's kind of hilarious. Well, of course they're going to be like, how about I just not leave? Yeah. Um, that's, that's a part of, that's something that has to be contended with. Most certainly you can't expect there to be a fully smooth discussion. But like for what it sounds like, whatever that was proposed was again,
Starting point is 01:09:20 just excuse me, considered unreasonable by the team. Now here's the thing, of course, who the fuck are we? We don't know. We're not staring at these contracts. We don't know what the details are. We know what's going on. It just, just reading the statements from the people involved. It sounds hyper shitty.
Starting point is 01:09:35 And all you can really do is go, Oh fuck, I didn't know that. That sounds awful. I'm sorry to hear that. That's the most you can do as information comes out about this stuff. So, um, I think, um, part of, I don't know. I feel like there's, because you, the kind of person that you were describing earlier, like there's this, there's a sort of a thing that is like, we're people that sit in front of microphones and just talk and we try to make jokes.
Starting point is 01:10:02 And then we try to talk about whatever's going on in the video game industry. And in general, the industries of things we're interested in, um, there is a overwhelmingly, uh, terrifying and omnipresent pressure to be right about everything, single thing you say, everything you say, committed to microphone must be correct the first time it has to be the best possible take. And if you fuck that up and if history proves that there's something you didn't know when you were wrong, you're a piece of shit. Right.
Starting point is 01:10:35 I totally disagree. I think that fear is overstated and I am comfortable in my constant wrongness. This is, this is, this is the hyperbolized version of the, of the, the pressure that I'm describing. I'm saying that's unrealistic, but sure. And I understand the pressure that you're describing, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about talking to somebody in a single conversation and coming
Starting point is 01:10:54 away with the feeling that, oh man, this person is faking. Oh, no, no, no, I'm not talking about your, your feelings about, about him after the podcast. I'm talking about the, the, the, the person you were describing, who's like, uh, he didn't do anything wrong. This is all fine. Oh, dumbasses and chat. Yeah, yeah, that's in Chattel.
Starting point is 01:11:10 Defend anybody, but it's not dumbasses and chat as much as it is. Like there's a couple of folks online that are like actively in the Twitter discussions, having that sentiment, you know, that's a part of what's going on. So we live in an era in which footage could come out of the man eating a baby and somebody be like, but did that baby have a DUI? Of course. Right. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:11:29 That's, that's no, but that's kind of your, I'm long-winded at, at saying what I'm saying, so I apologize for having to meander to get there. Because I worked through what I'm saying as I'm saying it, but part of what I'm trying to say is exactly that is that like what we're going to do is see the story from the points of view of people who are telling you what happened to them, you're going to take that, what you're going to take, what they're saying at the value of, I trust this is what happened. I trust this is the truth of the matter.
Starting point is 01:12:05 We're seeing, of course, you're seeing one side. You learn other sides, you add more of a narrative to it. But as more and more sides are involved with a singular story, you start to see a clearer picture, a lot of consistency across multiple people's narratives. And then you make a judgment call on that. So that's what I'm trying to say is you, you operate with the information you have. I think the, the, the one thing that, that leaps out to me because, uh, I mean, we live in a, in a university and obviously anybody can say anything, right?
Starting point is 01:12:35 Granted, don't, you know, libel or slander people, but anybody can say anything and whatnot. Oh, Canada's different from America. There's, there's always a, there's always the issue of the truth, right? Now, when you're in a situation in which you have a purported bad actor, right? Uh, and tons of people come out, like how similar are the stories? Very similar in this particular case, but more important than that, we are currently in a global pandemic and the economy and job market are shit.
Starting point is 01:13:08 They're fucking terrible. And for people to say, this guy's a problem, I would rather quit my job than deal with this another day in a situation in which everybody is going fucking broke is a big, big exclamation point that they're for real. Yep. Absolutely. It is a, it is a tremendous statement to walk away from your job right now. It reminds me very, too, uncertainty, in reverse of when Chris Avalon left
Starting point is 01:13:47 obsidian, you remember that? That was a while ago and the, the, the, the story that came out at the time was that he had been forced out of a company that he co-owned by pretty much everybody on the board and on his way out, he was talking about how that company is fucked up and it's all clickish and it's, it's bullying and all this, this shit and that you were going to see lots more people quit real soon because that company is fucked up and then no one quit like nobody and that story just evaporated and you're like, I wonder what the fuck he was talking
Starting point is 01:14:25 about and then like a year or two later, he's being removed from projects because, uh-oh, Chris Avalon may be in fact a bad man and you're like, and you look at that and you go, oh, that's the very quiet Mike Z situation. That's the, the, the, was not the sole owner and everybody else who owned a piece of the pie went just, just, just kind of just pushed you out the door. Just kind of just, right? I, I personally foresee in the lab zero Mike Z situation, it would be smart for this to not happen.
Starting point is 01:15:05 I foresee some form of tantrum on the horizon. Uh, he's, how, how can everybody betray me tantrum? I mean, maybe, but at the same time, he's been pretty quiet and inactive, uh, since the first story, um, although there was like stream commentary, not withstanding, not that quiet, not that quiet. I guess, I guess I mean, is no tweets. What I mean to say, yeah, no tweets, only so many no to it. Longers communication you could pull yourself off of, right?
Starting point is 01:15:44 Um, that, that hasn't been, that hasn't been, uh, activated and popping off. Yeah. No, uh, I, the, the planned course of events that they seem to be figuring out was one that, you know, I mean, image wise, it would have been, uh, it's like, it would have been one of those things that are like, yeah, this is rough, but it probably would have helped the team and would have helped the game, um, if they went through with that initial discussion, uh, but now that it doubles back into this messed version of it, um, it's just a matter
Starting point is 01:16:22 of, okay, scorched earth, get as far away from it as possible. You know? Yeah. Like it's, it's, uh, I didn't know it's not like, how do I put it? It's like, can this be fixed? No. Can I leave? Yes.
Starting point is 01:16:43 Okay. What, what, what power do you have the situation? Yeah. Right. Um, I don't, uh, I didn't know that autumn games owned Skullgirls. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Why?
Starting point is 01:16:57 I, I, well, I think it's so, it's so over the years, it's been interesting because it's like Skullgirls is the fighting game. Mike C. Middy, he put all this stuff in it. He's the FGC guy knows all the stuff. So that's what's going on. Real Soviet damage, et cetera. That's the association.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Done and done. And then as this goes down, it's like, well, don't forget, this is the world created by Alex Ahad. And, um, you know, that's the, it's like, even if Mike C is not involved, there's still a full team and, and, and a creative team that, you know, should get the credit here and supporting that is supporting them and all that. And you're like, okay. And, and now, um, with people like fully going their ways, like, it's like, Oh
Starting point is 01:17:42 yeah, here, no, autumn games owns the IP itself and can do what they want with Skullgirls. So I should mention that, like, I have also heard rumblings that Alex himself was also kind of a jackass. Um, yeah, I don't know the details of that. I didn't think I didn't see a ton of like, I couldn't get a hold of anybody that it actually firsthand worked with them. Uh, but the general gist of it is that he wasn't as much of a jackass, but
Starting point is 01:18:15 that Skullgirls' upper management seems a little cursed. There was, uh, I think we probably saw the same tweet in the long thread, uh, about all of this that like, there was one tweet referencing that and yeah, looking for any other, uh, uh, elaboration on it, I was not successful. Um, but to, uh, go back to what I was saying is that, yeah, I think, um, you know, so now that we're like breaking down the, the nitty gritty of this IP and who was involved with what aspects of it creatively, it's, I mean, it sucks to have to do that, but it's like, this is a game that people care about.
Starting point is 01:18:52 And it's a very good one. And, you know, so you kind of go like, okay, I can't, how much can be salvaged, right? What can be salvaged is the kind of mentality. Yeah. Can we get a re-release of Skullgirls called third on core, the feel good addition? Well, we'll see that, that has lab two, but and autumn games on the publishing
Starting point is 01:19:11 list, but I think, I think as it goes, like IP, autumn games, uh, game development, code, et cetera, fighting game, lab zero and, uh, creative vision and design and, and, uh, uh, you know, characters and such, Alex, Alex Ahad. There's always a really bizarre situation. This is a bit of a with, of course, the other, uh, people that we mentioned earlier in their respective roles in that credit as well. There's, there's always a very bizarre situation that happens when this kind of thing occurs.
Starting point is 01:19:49 And it's, I go back and I think about a tweet that was Mike Z making fun of people for asking for move lists in indivisible. And, uh, I remember thinking, man, what a dumb ass, but I guess he's trying to joke. And then I'm like, no, I guess he was just being an ass. I guess that's, I guess that was exactly what it looked like. It was like, why dumb, dumb, no, like move, learn, but why? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:20:26 Cause the move list changes every time you get a new ability, man. 3,500 characters. Most of them are dumb. Is Mike Z the Western in a fune? No, that is a very different situation. Yeah. That is a very different situation. Uh, that would be, uh, that would be kicking Capcom out and holding on to,
Starting point is 01:21:06 uh, Mega Man and everything on your own while everyone's like, I'm, I'm going to be leaving now. So that's a very, that's not, that's not the same. No. Oh, in a fune, it's just so, oh, what a, oh man. Well, um, definitely, but like it's that when these types of stories though happen, certainly like, yeah, now there's a, now there's a very clear, like thanks to social media, there's a very clear, like multi-angle, re-contextualization of
Starting point is 01:21:38 everything that otherwise you wouldn't get from a press release and two statements. You know, anyway, so that's what's up. So that's what's up. So that, that was a, that was a fun experience watching. Oh, somebody's quitting lab zero. Oh, oh, right. Like just bam, bam, bam. Uh, best of luck to everybody who has recently left lab zero and those who
Starting point is 01:22:05 continue to work there or however long that may be. Um, I was hoping everything works out and you all get a new job at lab one. Yeah. So I know that the, well, I know that the like immediate like thought when these things happen from like a fan base perspective is, uh, I sure hope we can see everybody go make their own thing together and, and, and to the thing continued in a new form. But I don't want to like necessarily push that pressure, let people do what
Starting point is 01:22:39 they want, but definitely I feel that there's enough talent on display from the people that left that I don't think they're going to have, uh, a hard time, uh, finding, uh, uh, jobs for like other games that need creative talent. Because yeah, the, the games business is actually doing relatively well compared to many other games are doing pretty all right. Considering the nature of, you know, uh, Le Monde, the situation. So, um, okay. So what else is going on?
Starting point is 01:23:14 Uh, we've got the next biggest story being, uh, oh, well, all the DC phantom trailers. Okay. Whole lot of trailers. Did you watch them? I feel, I feel really bad for the person who, who'd misunderstood my joke on Twitter about those trailers because there's the, uh, I mean, there was the suicide squad one where they want to kill Superman, right?
Starting point is 01:23:44 That video game and I went, I changed my name to Pat stairs at ways to kill Superman and went, we have to kill Superman to which people said, Oh, did you watch that trailer? Are you excited? And I went, what trailer? And then people then explained what trailer they're talking about. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't, no, no. We need, I'm just, I'm just, this, this is just a consistent mood.
Starting point is 01:24:12 Guys, just we need to kill Superman. That being said, even I think it's kind of lame that we have to kill Superman in that suicide squad game. Always kill Superman. Well, it is, you, we have tried to kill Superman more times than I've actually even seen Superman be cool. Um, it's definitely, uh, a bit of trend, uh, as of recent and it's, uh, it's definitely an, oh, shit, like pop that gets less of a pop every time we repeat
Starting point is 01:24:45 it. Yeah, but, um, justice did it a bunch. Well, that's exactly right. Uh, but, but, uh, that was that. That's one, that that's one of the many trailers. So if you want to go, there's also, uh, yeah, go down the list. There's a list. There's a list.
Starting point is 01:25:02 Uh, if you want to go down the list, uh, we've got first the Batman. Looks cool. I like it. Robert Pattinson is now the Batman. Robert Pattinson looks like, I think the way I saw somebody described, he finally looks like the kind of maladjusted billionaire that would think it was a better idea to fight dudes than use charitable donations to solve crime. I still see him young as Terry McGinnis.
Starting point is 01:25:35 I still see that as the way to play it, but that's not what we're getting. So this is the world we live in. Um, yeah, I'm guessing based on the logos and the tone that they're hoping this reboot will land similar to the Joker. Yeah, it might actually be a sequel to the Joker. They haven't implied that it is. Uh, Oh, the only reason I say that is because you see a gang of jokers. Well, you see the, you see the, a bunch of, um, like grunts, but they, they
Starting point is 01:26:17 goons, if you would. Uh, yeah, but were they specifically Joker goods? Yeah, look at them. They got the, they got the, I thought they were riddler makeup. I thought there were riddler grunts because they're not riddler. Goons, I thought there were riddler goons. Those are, those are Joker goons. I'm going to go get a, I'm going to go get a screenshot so we can solve this.
Starting point is 01:26:38 I assumed that they were the goons of the villain in the movie, the riddler. Well, there's actually many villains in this movie, which is probably the weirdest thing, right? Cause we got Penguin and Catwoman and riddler and, uh, fucking Falcone apparently isn't confirmed, not same universe as Joker. Okay. Yeah, these dudes were in. Do riddler goons even have like a distinctive makeup style?
Starting point is 01:27:13 I thought that, like, cause all I can think of is like 66 Batman where they'd all wear green with like a bunch, a bunch of question marks. Yeah. Okay. Well, anyway, apparently not same continuity as Joker at all. Okay. Good. So there's that.
Starting point is 01:27:31 Uh, he should stop doing continuity in general. I think, well, they did. Right. Yeah. And then they, well, Justin, they did, and then Justice League happened. And then they kind of undid what they did. But then, and then Snyder is going to do. So then comes Justice League, the Snyder cut, which is not a movie, but
Starting point is 01:27:56 a four part HBO Max series, which you know what it also isn't. A little cartoon for your kids. It's a grownup thing for big boys. That's what he said. That is like so embarrassing, but that is an adult man. Yes, but that is a thing. This is a, this is my big boy superhero. But this is an adult man who puts like straight music into his movies to tell
Starting point is 01:28:22 you how to feel and thinks that that works. Like the kind of person who sees that as an effective narrative method is going to write these words and say, this is big boy, edgy adult. No, wow, wow, babies here. Snyder is like the shittiest edgelord that ever got big. It's so bad. I mean, I think dark side looks like he belongs on a fucking 1999 3D FX Voodoo two box.
Starting point is 01:28:52 I think it's what happens when you're a music video director and you get to do more than music videos. Yeah, how did McGee work out? I literally don't even know. So, hey, I think it says a lot of, hey, if you think Snyder is a good director, go fucking watch Sucker Punch twice. And if you live through that experience, I'll talk to you. I'm legit curious to see because I talked often about, you know, the biggest
Starting point is 01:29:26 difference editing can make when I talk about Kingdom of Heaven. That is the Ridley Scott cut versus the theoretical cut are wildly different and it turns a four into an eight. So I'm curious to see will this, if there was so much cut that it can get a four part mini series on HBO instead of a film. That's a lot of reinserted material, right? That's a lot. Can it turn a three into a one?
Starting point is 01:29:59 I want to know. I want to know if whatever, I didn't watch Justice League, but I would love to find out if like the changes can actually make things that much better. And I also, and here's the other thing. I think the pressure and buildup, right? Of like the release, the Snyder cut like, like a hashtag over the years, over the year, excuse me, also makes, creates a feeling of like, don't just release the Snyder cut of the film, but also secretly maybe go back and make things
Starting point is 01:30:39 better. That were clearly mistakes to begin with. Yeah, I think that's part of what's going on to make sure to color grade every color just completely out of the movie. Cause like, like that was the number one thing that I noticed from that trailer is that the already overly color graded movie has now been like double color graded into nothing and it's fucking crazy. The the ability to take something already released, take all the complaints
Starting point is 01:31:18 and criticisms it's had and then go readdress them in post is not to be understated here. So like whatever was being worked on, you are guaranteed to see some shit that he would have released in theaters at the time, but is now probably going to rework based on the feedback in addition to adding in the music and doing the Snyder things. But I don't think that's true at all. I think he's going to go fuck your complaints.
Starting point is 01:31:52 My original vision was the shit. I mean, but wasn't there a whole thing about how there was no Snyder cut, how they're originally actually was like what was worked on was just picked up from where Whedon took over and that like the whole narrative of a Snyder cut only came into existence way after. So there was never a definitive and completed Snyder cut, right? There were a bunch of scenes that got shot, but they were never edited. They were never cut together that most of them didn't have their VFX shot
Starting point is 01:32:26 completed like you could have made a Snyder cut at the time, but it's not like there was one sitting around in a fucking, you know, vault of like, this is the good version of the bad movie. What I am saying is why it's so ridiculous that like release the Snyder cut turn into make the make the Snyder cut. And that's why I'm saying make the Snyder cut after you've had a chance to see what everyone's had to say about it. Is like you can just copy the internet's homework to fix problems in
Starting point is 01:33:03 addition to fixing completing CG shots. If I'm correct, I was reading up on it and the studio was like, you can finish your VFX shots and you can edit it and you can dub over shit, but you will not be shooting new scenes. So it is very much a cut like there, there is no like they're not going to, they're not going to add a scene where soups and Batman are sitting around going, fuck that Martha shit was stupid. Wasn't it?
Starting point is 01:33:30 Holy fuck. Editing make the movie better editing. I'm going to edit editing can can make and break a movie, but sure can. I await with bated breath the results here. And I also wonder if I should bother going to watch the original cut just to know, you know, I'm tempted. I'm really tempted. Oh, they shot new scenes were just drowning in our Marvel bias.
Starting point is 01:33:57 They shot new scenes. Hey, man, that's it. That's gone. That's ages old. I think we can retire Marvel bias the same way. I can retire the killer instinct shell money. I think I think that's just old man holding onto old. Oh, man, you're still living off that cash.
Starting point is 01:34:15 Yeah, like they give you a lot. Yeah, a lot to show that. But I am but I can't I can eventually let it go and stop talking about it because the majority of the people listening were now were not around back then to even hear those bits. That's true. This is a whole new generation of people we're talking to right now. They have no like a lot of them have no idea what we're talking about
Starting point is 01:34:35 and they're going to need clarification. So I have a bias towards good movies. A lot of new people, a lot of new people. I saw Batman versus Superman in the theater and I was like, I can't believe this is a real movie. The fuck is this piece of shit? Well, and your marvel or your Marvel bias is showing eventually turned into Willie overcorrects as as Pat double downs.
Starting point is 01:35:12 I mean, so if if if that gets the if that gets the car to stay in the middle of the road. I mean, I'll yeah, I'll hang out the window fair enough. So then there was the Suicide Squad movie trailer and that was okay. I'm just like I have nothing to say about the content because whatever we'll see what it is when it comes out. Did you see the original? Yes, start there.
Starting point is 01:35:42 Yes, I did. Okay. Um, the fact that they marketed things the way they did, they had no choice. Okay. They have no choice in how they're presenting this trailer, but I feel so bad for just everybody that has to be involved with a project that is not allowed to really just stand on any merit it might have because you're too busy telling people.
Starting point is 01:36:08 It's not the other one though. Look, it's James Gunn. Look, do you see James Gunn? It's not the other one. Please don't think it's the other one. It's still Margot Robbie, but it's not the other one. He was good in that one. You remember Margot?
Starting point is 01:36:23 Please, please, please don't think this is the other one and we're going to talk shit about the other one while without actually talking shit. So we're going to say it's so nice to finally have someone who can take the suicide squad in a direction that I think it's fitting of. It's like, are you saying that the previous person did not take it in a direction? Yes, I'm saying that it should have gone. No, what?
Starting point is 01:36:50 I think, I think there's a bunch of really bizarre shit about this. I think, uh, I think there's a real feeling of God. What's it called? You remember Wolverine and his X-Men? Yep. This, there's a real Harley Quinn and her suicide squad. Did you forget about the last movie? I did not forget about the last movie because that's what it was there too.
Starting point is 01:37:18 But on top of that, you really let's combine that with you, like, you know, they renamed it, right? What? It's I'm sorry. What? You know, they renamed it. No, they renamed birds of prey. Uh-huh to Harley Quinn or like the the the misadventures of one Harley
Starting point is 01:37:42 Quinn, Jesus Christ, they did do that and her birds of prey. Okay, the fantabulous emancipation of Harley Quinn and her birds of prey are whatever the fuck they called it. All right. They literally turned it into Wolverine and his X-Men. Oh, perfect, perfect. Great. Incredible.
Starting point is 01:38:02 So yeah, that's been a thing. So there's that. But I remember the one of the big complaints from the first one was one that I also made was there's too many of these losers and they all suck and none of them got any development at all except for Deadshot and Harley. And then you remember when that rope guy showed up at the end of the of the montage and you're like, oh, he's the one they're going to kill because you just showed up.
Starting point is 01:38:32 The solution to there are too many characters and I don't care about any of them is to like what triple the amount of characters the movie has. That's correct. Like, holy shit. Again, James Gunn might do something. Who knows? He might do something. We'll see.
Starting point is 01:38:55 But all I can even have enough time in the movie to introduce them. I don't know, but he can make movies. So we'll see. I, you know, more like that's the one of the things where I'm just like, I'll leave that up to somebody who's made movies I've liked. Right. Whatever. The fact that they want to keep trying with this whole thing and it is what
Starting point is 01:39:18 it is. It's here. It's it's Harley Quinn time. It's not going away. It is. It's done. Fine. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:39:26 Um, Will Smith out. Stringer bell in whatever. Oh, okay. I just, I just like I anytime you can feel the real goal of a trailer or teaser that is not to bring awareness to the product, but to really just make a comment about the other thing they and they screaming by doing this type of interview that has nothing but explosions and people talking about how awesome the vision is this time around is just like.
Starting point is 01:40:01 If you go into this and think this is a sequel to the last thing, we will have failed our marketing, but it still features the same main character in the same role. Yeah. They, they, they, I'm shocked. I'm shocked that there wasn't a, uh, a, uh, what do you call it? A fucking shot of the trailer where Christ, there might be in a different version of a different cut, but where somebody goes, Hey, whatever happened
Starting point is 01:40:28 to Choka and Harley goes, I got rid of him. He's never going to come back in this movie. Jared Leto is bad. Like just, just I am shocked. There isn't just a giant amount of text on the screen that just says we fired Jared Leto. Don't worry. Now there's no reason to bring up random people and their dumb thoughts, but
Starting point is 01:40:53 on Twitter, underneath the trailer, someone had a tweet that was just like, all right, new universe, new Batman, new Suicide Squad. You know what that means, everybody? When are we going to cast a new Joker? And I just like, I had this just, I felt tired on behalf of the real DC loyal fans, like the people who hang on. I felt tired on their behalf. It was such an exhausting tweet to read the thought that someone immediately
Starting point is 01:41:30 goes, Hey, let's go is Joe, we need a Joker. You can't have a DC without a new job every time. Reboot it. I want thing never change thing make thing forever. Never, ever, ever make it different new thing. And I'm like, let's have it be old Joker and it's actually Mark Hamill. There's literally a comic coming out called three jokers that they had a trailer for earlier.
Starting point is 01:42:02 And it's just like, yeah, like how many jokers in 10 years do you need? Are we trying to beat the Spider-Man record right now? What are we doing? Well, luckily, Willie, they started with the Riddler for the first Batman so that they can build up to the Joker for the sequel because that works really well. I mean, listen, if they're only doing it so that we can get brand new updates to the, are you smoking gang weed meme?
Starting point is 01:42:34 Then I'm here for it because we can expand that, you know, slash what age of gamer are you? If you're old school, you played Call of Duty Modern Warfare. And if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're old school is Call of Duty Modern Warfare, I think it was like classic is fucking pub G and modern is Fortnite or whatever the shit. And it's just you just die. You just die.
Starting point is 01:43:12 Yeah. And I posted the, I posted, I glad I grew up playing Halo and not Fortnite. That's correct. And the vast majority of people that responded to that tweet were, took it seriously. And we're like, I can't believe past four nights. Pretty good. Halo's not.
Starting point is 01:43:30 And it's like, I didn't even fucking really play through all of Halo one. And like, I grew up playing fucking NES games. I'm glad I grew up playing Halo fours and not Minecraft. Wait, that doesn't make any sense. I know, but that's how it all looks. It's literal. It's just, I think the ultimate would be like, I'm glad I grew up playing BioShock and not BioShock Infinite.
Starting point is 01:44:09 Or, or glad I grew up playing Halo one and not Halo six. You fucking babies with your new Halo. You want some, you want some fucking boomer talk. You want some boomer shit. Boomer takes real, real old boomer takes you as you wear a metal gear wrecks on your chest. It's got a little snake on it. It sure does.
Starting point is 01:44:36 Um, my brain classifies quote unquote old school as cartridges and before. If you're out, so that's accurate. If your shit is on a disc, I'm not even classifying that as old school. I'd consider that modern. That's my brain. Yeah. So this, this whole thing is stupid.
Starting point is 01:45:07 It's all the dumbest shit in the world to me because you're all younger than us shut up. A fucking gray cartridge that snaps into a thing is old school. Yeah. All right, that's correct. Um, then they had a trailer for Black Adam, but it wasn't a trailer. In fact, it was nothing because the rock is too busy making bazillions of
Starting point is 01:45:33 dollars. So there was nothing to show, but he did record a little. That was really weird. Rocks a busy man fucking motion comic for like dead space. Yeah. Then rocks a busy man and they wanted, they wanted to get a big old rock trailer ready to go or teaser, but they didn't have the time. So instead they put a motion comic together and it had, um, it had a fucking
Starting point is 01:45:57 a shazam from, um, from the fucking movie, the wizard. You know, as in not the actual Captain Marvel character and, uh, the old man, the wizard man, he was there, you know, Black Adam's a bad guy. Um, clearly the rock is going to be playing it. Yes. He's supposed to be. Thank you. Clearly, uh, the rock is going to play it like a little more anti-hero
Starting point is 01:46:27 from the vibe they throw down, but whatever the case is, uh, it was, it was a teaser for some shit they don't have yet. They had some Photoshopped rock in a costume art to show. And that was about it. There's a, they, they had something to tell us though. And that thing they wanted to tell us was only in theaters. That's true. That's true.
Starting point is 01:46:52 Who are you fucking kidding? Guys, listen, I holy shit. That is an optimistic thing to say. That is an optimistic fucking thing to say. Theaters are like, oh my God. Theaters are a, are a concept that might never return the way they did ever. We don't know. It's possible that it is gone.
Starting point is 01:47:13 We don't know. Hey, I will say that like movies that are currently sitting on hold like, um, tenant fucking. You got to deal with that. All right. Well, the, uh, Nolan's movie tenant with, um, Denzel's kid is, uh, sitting there. However many million dollars already spent and they're just like, okay. Well, no one can really watch this in theaters.
Starting point is 01:47:51 So I guess, but they really, they held out. I think it's coming out next week, but they fucking held out, man. You know, and I think it was one of, and I think a lot of movies are just kind of like really waiting on like trying to figure out if there's something else they can do for digital distribution to avoid a huge loss on things because it's a real goddamn movie. They're going to see the theater and they're going to pay $18 at home. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:19 Um, and then Disney fucking comes along with the motherfucking audacity to be like, you can watch Mulan for a year as many times as you want for $30. Don't you want to see the Mulan remake for fucking $30? Now my first thought goes, oh, can you imagine how like money I'd everybody will get when they, they sell their tickets without the theater cost cut getting reduced from it. And then you remember, oh wait, the theater cut is nothing and they make
Starting point is 01:48:49 all their money on popcorn and food they sign concessions. They don't make shit on the actual price of the ticket. So that full $18 is already pretty much going their way anyway. So I don't know, dude. I don't fucking know, but theaters are in serious trouble and I'm not saying I'm not, they're definitely like, we have a lot of life theoretically left to live, but when it comes to the current, well, listen, my point is, is that it might take a couple years to figure out public gatherings.
Starting point is 01:49:24 That's yeah, I'd say so, you know, I have figured out public gatherings. That is a case scenario. I figured it out. Stop forever. So Black Adam only in theaters. There's no reason to ever publicly gather in a group ever again. That's over. The introvert revolution is here.
Starting point is 01:49:55 People are over. Hangouts are over. Hanging out is done. Hanging out has been canceled. Leaving people on red is now. Now, not that I disagree because I'm right there with you. Trust, I'm fine, but I will tell you that you are seeing the extrovert rebellion in action.
Starting point is 01:50:32 It starts with a pop, it starts with a PogChamp and it goes and people in page were walking down the street with with with puppy and we were all masked up and staying away from everybody on the street. We saw a fucking bunch of teenagers going to their house with a bunch of booze to have a party. Extroverts are losing their minds and they are starting to not give a fuck. Then they'll lose something else. Well, yeah, but that's besides the point.
Starting point is 01:51:03 That's the obvious. That's the underline, you know, but we're seeing extrovert rebellion wild because, hey, you know, you know how, again, you get your life back, you get your life bar back up by being where you are right now, sitting in that seat. I did. They get their life back up by being around other people. They should worry more about getting their life back up and worry, sorry,
Starting point is 01:51:30 worry less about getting their life back up and worry more about getting about keeping their life from going down. Yes, the deal is that obviously the priority is do not die, but the state, the mental state that kicks in when a prolonged period of like, no, but I need people though is is going to create more and more does more and more dumb shit as time goes on. So, you know, whatever, we'll see. But and then all I have to say other thing that is suck it coward.
Starting point is 01:52:04 Okay, here's the other thing. Learn learn deal people in New York and places like that where they're like, I'm paying stupid amounts per month to live in a hole in the wall. The only reason to live in New York, downtown core area, Manhattan, whatever is to go places and do things. So I'm not paying for this shitty locker to actually sit in it. I'm paying for it to hold my stuff and to sleep in it and then be out the whole time.
Starting point is 01:52:34 So it's places seems like a terrible the series of that's what New York was prior to this point in time and it worked fine. No, I'm saying that's a terrible series of decisions even when New York was fine. No, because it works for those who were able to work in a place that involved other people and go to a job and pretty much stay out and do their thing. It was it was working.
Starting point is 01:52:56 It was an economy that works stupid. Well, that's that never worked shut up. It worked. Everyone that it worked for was stupid. No, it worked. It was there. I'm saying at the moment when circumstances change, people are like, I'm sitting in a fucking locker for months and they start to kind of go
Starting point is 01:53:13 crazy, you know, but you're right. You're right. Um, being a shut in was always the smart. It was a superpower that helps right now. Certainly. There has never been a time in which being a shut in ever hurt anyone. Agree. Okay.
Starting point is 01:53:32 Wait, that's a really broad statement. That's an incredibly like that's an infinitely broad statement. Give me. There's probably there's probably like some tornadoes that hit people that because they wouldn't move or, you know, hurricanes or whatever. Yeah. Listen, I'm just saying I want to go back to like hanging out like normal. So everybody just chill it for another year.
Starting point is 01:54:07 I loaned somebody my copy of welcome to the NHK. So I can't pull it out and show it to you, but, uh, that's a manga that would disagree with you as well as the entire concept of the manga, a real thing that actually happened, or is it a story that someone wrote? It's a story that someone wrote based on. Okay. That's nice. A very real thing.
Starting point is 01:54:29 Uh-huh. I can write a story too. People affectionately refer to as the Hickeys. Yeah. The Hickey Coke more Kiki Koki Koki Maurice. Uh-huh. I'm going to, I'm going to write a story too. The sun was very hot.
Starting point is 01:54:51 And if you went outside, you died from sun. All the extroverts were like, fuck it. I bet it ain't so hot. And then we had barbecue thing. Wonder Woman 1984. It's Wonder Woman sequel. Wonder Woman was good up until it wasn't. I hope this movie can up until it was it.
Starting point is 01:55:28 I hope that this time around someone can just take the last 15 minutes and just slice them right off and then stitch the credits and we'll all go home happy. That's what I'm thinking. Whatever in 1984 turns out to be just take the last 15 minutes. The final reel, whenever the final reel is getting ready to switch over, just, just don't just put the credits up. Call it a day.
Starting point is 01:56:01 I don't know. I saw a clip of some kind of cat monstrosity. Yeah. Trailer didn't really, uh, I don't know. Trailer, trailer wasn't really banging. You know? No, didn't didn't really pop off at least for me, but I don't know, man, we'll see.
Starting point is 01:56:20 I really did enjoy the fuck out of the first one until I didn't. So we'll see. Cheetah is there. Um, like Wonder Woman is like the closest a movie has come to like my movie fantasy of like getting 99% through Lord of the Rings. And then right when they're about to fucking drop the ring into the fires of Mount Doom, like Tom Green and Eric Andre run into the scene and just start shitting all over every character and steal the ring
Starting point is 01:56:59 and like throw it into a baby. And then the movie just cuts hard to credits and goes get fucked. Do you remember, um, um, path of Neo? That's pretty close to that's pretty close to there's one for you. It sure is. Uh, then we got WB Montreal, Gotham Knights. So that's a trailer for what I thought was I for a second I was like, because I heard about the new, the new Gotham Knights game
Starting point is 01:57:41 before I saw the trailer and I was like, Oh, is this the next rock study thing? And so confusing. It's not, right? It looks. No, it's the next Arkham Origins. It's the next Arkham Origins, not rock steady specifically. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:57:56 So they split that into two pathways and we got ourselves a little Trey Ark situation going on, but they're, uh, working on the, uh, yeah, uh, Arkham Knights, which is all the Robbins and, and back girl hanging out, um, and the quarter vowels storyline seems to be taking place. Um, so I don't know anything about them. Them Al people, uh, there's, there's Talon and then there's, um, the fucking organized crime group and secret society.
Starting point is 01:58:31 Yeah. Um, okay. It's they're evil. And, uh, you know, there, there's, there, there's all. Yeah. That, that was a, a, um, uh, a story that I think I also have sitting somewhere here next to me that I, I didn't finish, but, um, it was one of those, it was, it was when they had the new 52 going on and they
Starting point is 01:58:50 basically read the new Batman reboot and they, uh, let's consider it a pretty good Batman storyline. So this is a non-canon, like whatever take on, on, on the story and, um, bringing them into the spotlight as the main characters, but at that, that Al's hunts bats. Yes. And Batman's dead. That man's dead.
Starting point is 01:59:13 Whoa. Wow. So, um, if they're going into non-canon shit, they can experiment and go wild with it. You know, comics have been doing it for years. So I think, you know, I, I, I think I said years ago that I'm like, the world would be ready for what ifs. So, um, and then spider-verse kind of carries that energy forward.
Starting point is 01:59:37 And I'm like, thank you. Thank you. Please. Oh, so they had that. And then at the same time they had this, the, the actual Rocksteady game, which is the suicide squad, which we talked about, you know. Yeah, that's the most baffling part that was really, really confusing as to which one was making one.
Starting point is 01:59:53 Well, it's like, there's a new Rocksteady game and a new Batman game, but then they're not the same fucking. There's a new Arkham game and there's a new Rocksteady game. And you're like, oh, well, and then the trailer for the trailer for suicide squad says from the makers of the Arkham series. You're like, okay. So, and yeah, it's, it's totally just, it's the split. It's the origin split.
Starting point is 02:00:18 Oh man, I'm so, so excited for Arkham origins to in both cases though, both games decided that you've played Batman for enough. So time to go play the other people. The game's so shitty. They decided not to fix it. Um, suicide squad kill the Justice League. Yeah. Uh, yeah, we got to get Batman.
Starting point is 02:00:50 I'd rather, I would rather they had started that trailer with like kill the flash and flashes like mists with a random goon. I like flash like in the boys and then Martian man Hunter turns himself into a shark with, with legs. I like, I like, oh wait, that's, that's an existing character. Martian man to enter Israel. Flash is cool. There's some fun stuff.
Starting point is 02:01:17 You can go to Wally West is dope and there's some fun Bart stuff and the, the, the, and the fucking professor's zoom is the pettiest piece of shit, the pettiest cut villain on the planet. What's his problem anyway? That time when you were making love with your girlfriend in high school, but you nutted too fast. That was me jerking you off.
Starting point is 02:01:44 Seriously, what is, what is River Slash's problem? Um, I, I, so there's been a bunch of storylines that have come and gone and like it, I'm not sure what the current deal is, but from my, my origin point of like, of, of learning about zoom was based on the, the, the tragedy, the, the, the, basically a point in which he, um, has a, uh, uh, uh, he has a, he literally has a moment where he snaps his fingers and causes a dude's wife to have an abortion.
Starting point is 02:02:24 And it's just one of these like, what the fuck? And, um, and he's just, he's just, he's, he's obsessed with making the flash suffer and he will literally be like, I was the cause behind every little shitty thing in your life. He hates the fuck out of Barry and like it's, it's, it's beyond the level of Lex being obsessed with Superman. You know? Oh, wow.
Starting point is 02:02:55 Cause like Lex Luthor, like, will like ruin his life and kill himself to get it. Superman. Yeah. No, that's crazy. It's, it's, and then the, the, the one I mentioned, yeah, that is, that is, that was a different zoom at the time. So there's the current one now, but it's this, it is, it is
Starting point is 02:03:12 way, it is beyond the, the, uh, Lex level, you know, um, but yeah, there are like three zooms, woolly. Yes. There we go. Okay. Um, stupid. So, uh, it's fun one with comic books in which I'm like, what's the deal with reverse flash and then I click on a
Starting point is 02:03:36 wiki entry for reverse flash and there are like seven characters that I'm looking at and I go, oh, cool. Time to stop reading or care. Yeah. Don't forget about black flash, AKA the, the death flash. That's the, uh, oh, cool. The thing that represents the end of the speedster. Hey man.
Starting point is 02:04:00 It's fine. Oh, that, the, the, the modern, honestly, so it's from what the CW show has been going on long enough that like that is now the current, um, generations flash. Like that is what the flash means to, uh, most people right now to the kids and, um, what are you going to do? You know, I, uh, not care about flash nailed it. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is what it is.
Starting point is 02:04:31 And, um, speaking of the CW, we can take that news right over to the newest show they'll be working on the fucking power puff girls live action series. Oh, that sounds lit. Oh man. Are they going to use like child actors or what? Well, the question, like how are they going to get, how are they going
Starting point is 02:04:58 to get like a little girl to sound just like Tara strong for bubbles? Are they going to make them twerk? Like that, that, that one, that one guy is writing for, so there was an article about that, right? There was an article about that and the character Jared and the dude with the glasses and they apparently went to, there was, there was a couple of people that worked on those episodes
Starting point is 02:05:23 and they went to the staffers at the time and confirmed that guy didn't write those episodes, but that's crazy. But the staff that was there at the time did totally make that guy, uh, the character Jared as like just like a quirky, like they thought it would be funny as to like make a reference to him and the fact that like, um, this guy that bubbles likes is, uh, not bubbles that, um, a blossom likes is like a super nerd, right?
Starting point is 02:05:54 Yeah. And then they said that. And then we thought after they, they, they fleshed it out. They said, we thought it would be funny to, uh, just like, why not have him voice it in the same way that like, um, uh, Pendleton Ward voices, lumpy space princess type of thing. So they, they said it. What they were saying, basically he didn't self-insert.
Starting point is 02:06:14 They did it and then like, he got, he got fucked over. If that's the case, like, holy fuck. So whatever. If you guys don't, I don't know. What if no one believes that then whatever, but there was an article that came out that said they spoke to the people that wrote those episodes and you can check the credits on them. And it's not him that wrote them.
Starting point is 02:06:38 By the way, that created the character and everyone around. I'd like to apologize as it is approximately five PM. My life has turned into a zoo. Page is doing her absolute best to be quiet with dog food, but dog is stupid and has good ears. So the project tails from executive producers Heather Rainer and Diablo Cody Diablo Cody wrote Juno. Really?
Starting point is 02:07:17 Yeah. So there's that. Um, yeah. Anyway, I just, I think the, the, the, the tweet underneath this news was someone that simply said, can you don't. Can you not do this? Can you don't? And I'm like, yeah, we're down with that.
Starting point is 02:07:42 Yeah. We're down with that. Some things don't need to be like, oh, like I can't wait to see burnt out adult Powerpuff Girls lamenting over their awesome childhood that they totally got to keep. Right? Like in the show, you get to see like, oh, they're still going to school and they're still having like tea parties or whatever
Starting point is 02:08:06 kids do. Keep in mind that Powerpuff Girls Z came and went. I don't know that. What the fuck is that? Look it up. You know what it is. Look it up. You know what it is.
Starting point is 02:08:17 Don't know what it is. Which was worse, the reboot or Powerpuff Girls Z out great. Japanese magical girl anime. You didn't, you didn't see this? No, I didn't see this. Yeah. They made a full on full on anime. Oh, it's the, it's the equestria equivalent of to Powerpuff Girls.
Starting point is 02:08:39 That's fairly obvious as a, as a concept. Yep. Yep. So anyway, this is probably going to make a fuck ton of money. It's, it's, it's going to be massively successful if every other modern reboot of live action things is to go on. Never forget Riverdale and Sabrina the Teenage Witch are doing things.
Starting point is 02:09:08 I forgot those. Those are on Netflix. Those are on Netflix doing what they do. This is probably going to succeed. Oh, Titans. Did that happen? Did we advertise that Titans Titans came out Titans came out. I feel like I fucking read an ad read for that.
Starting point is 02:09:35 I think I did that happen. I think so too. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we totally did, but we had to to okay, we had to because we had to balance it out with the read for in humans in humans. Yeah. Great show. Incredible show.
Starting point is 02:09:55 So we had to, we had to, we had to balance it out show. Good show. Yeah. Titans came in 2018. Fuck Batman. Um, anyway, so, uh, I don't think everyone, um, I don't know if you caught this. I don't know if people have been paying attention, but there
Starting point is 02:10:24 is a pretty active DMC five modding community. They've done things like digging out Virgil from the games code and making him playable. Unfortunately, no Beowulf, but it is what it is. Unfortunately. Yeah. You do what you can. Well, it turns out that one, uh, hitchhiker made a PVP mod
Starting point is 02:10:52 as a part of the DMC strive versus side. Uh, yeah. I don't know how I'm supposed to pronounce that. Strive. Strip. Strivers. Strivers. Strivers.
Starting point is 02:11:12 Strivers. Hey, um, that was great. That's super like that's a super duper sick trailer. That that's a wildly incredible thing to add in and get working. That's drive mod. Even outside the, um, versus stuff seems incredibly impressive, unbelievable. I keep waiting for it to add lots of new stuff to Nero for
Starting point is 02:11:35 right, cause like, cause I'm like, Dante has so much stuff already, so I don't have the expertise to hit the limit. So, and so when, when, when the hitchhiker man is like, we gave Dante a shit billion new things, I'm like, that's cool. I can't do it. Did you watch the trailer? I did watch the trailer. I saw a special appearance cause from one woolly verses
Starting point is 02:12:00 in that I remember getting that message and I was like, you added what just frame color up to the gun. And I was like, great sounds amazing. And then you see the actual clip of it and it's like, that is such an opener for possibilities of like nonsense juggle bullshit. Uh, it, the, yeah, it, that's huge. That's humongous for Nero.
Starting point is 02:12:29 Um, so, uh, the DMC strive versus side is, uh, adding a lot of fun stuff, but PVP is the fucking, that just takes the cake. And yeah, dude shot a message like, Hey, by the way, thanks for getting me into devil may cry. I turned it into a fighting game. What? Really?
Starting point is 02:12:50 Yeah. That's that. Okay. I'm like, uh, okay. Fucking am I slightly included in that at all? Cause I want credit. I don't know. Give hitchhiker.
Starting point is 02:13:02 Do I get credit too? I don't know for now. I'm credit for now. I'm going to say no. I'm going to say no. You don't cause he didn't. He said what he said, but also, also he's playing Sundari because he doesn't follow me either.
Starting point is 02:13:18 But he's playing Sundari, but he set the message. He put it in there. His profile says the hype is shit, but he's like, Hey, I hope maybe what are you going to? I don't know. Take a look. I don't know. Talk about this on your podcast.
Starting point is 02:13:33 Maybe I see you. You Sun Sun bitch. Can I have a credit please? Can I have one credit? I know what you're up to. I know this game. No credit. I won't.
Starting point is 02:13:46 I want one credit. No credit. He's apparently in chat and tells me to get full. Hey. Hitchhiker was great. Yo, for real though, your, your work is extreme. If the person is in fact listening to this, Hitchhiker's work on that mod is extremely, uh, uh, what's the word?
Starting point is 02:14:05 I want, I want to get a good compliment word, but I want to get a specific compliment more than it's, it's prodigious. Like it's, it's kind of crazy. Predigious is a good word has been put into that, but it's crazy what's been put in that mod by a single person in this amount of time. I very sincerely hope that I, uh, okay, I got, I got my camera back so I can look directly into the camera.
Starting point is 02:14:28 I very sincerely hope that if there were to be another release of devil may cry in the future, the, the devs would look at things such as the strive mod for inspiration as to what to do. These are a great idea. If they made a re-release of like a, like a fancy version or a, or a, or a cool box, a cool box with more features would be rad.
Starting point is 02:15:02 And this is a good example of how what those features would look like. Hey, Hitchhiker, you fucking Sun Sun. Look at this. I hit the button. Where are you at? This is a real capcom hire this man. Where are you at?
Starting point is 02:15:18 For real. What button? What button did you hit? What did you do? I, I, I followed him. Okay. Where, what's it's hitchhiker? How do I, how do I, it's fucking spell fucking coward
Starting point is 02:15:34 trying to, trying to get all in there, sliding on in being like, please notice for months. Don't even hit the follow button. You got it first. All right. You earned it. You turned DMC into a fighting game. You earned it terrible.
Starting point is 02:15:47 My Twitter is terrible. Twitter doesn't have any. It doesn't have nearly enough garbage on it. You need more garbage. I, I would disagree. I would say that it has like a, it has a garbage every day at 3pm and 9pm Eastern. Oh, that's good.
Starting point is 02:16:02 That's pretty good. Oh, I should retweet this magnet. Oh, wow. Look at that. I saw it earlier, but I forgot to retweet it. How about that? That magnet up throws pretty good. Oh, look, there's the, there's the refollow.
Starting point is 02:16:22 Well, all is right with the world. Hey, no, seriously, um, anybody that is bullying. Is this bullying? I'm, I'm, I'm initiating somebody with the tough love. It is what it is. They know what's up. They understand the situation. Hey, no, honestly, um, I, I'm like, we started out by
Starting point is 02:16:42 misnaming the thing as strive versus I've by just the fucking, you know, this is big bullying live on Twitch and on the podcast. That's good. It's the, it's the best compliment to somebody who's got the words, the hype is shit in their description. I think, I think, I think one of my favorite things to do is that when somebody follows you and then you, uh, look at
Starting point is 02:17:03 them and you're like, Oh, you're a artist or game dev or you know, mod maker or whatever. And then you go in there and you're like, give me codes for your game now. Yeah. I'm like, and I'm like, give it, give me. Yeah. Give, give code.
Starting point is 02:17:21 Anyway, I did that. I did that yesterday. Freaks. Hey, chiker, enjoy your retweets of ab girls. They're coming your way. Um, I think that, uh, it is kind of magic and insane anytime somebody cracks open a game and puts it back together with new shit that like functionally works and yeah, I was looking
Starting point is 02:17:50 at at the, in particular, the technical button is probably the craziest part of it. Oh, so, so there's a game called, um, there's a game we played on fisticuffs a while ago and I replayed it again called slap city. It's a smash clone. Do you remember it? It had, uh, it had a like businessman that was just like
Starting point is 02:18:11 a worm noodle guy that yelled out like stocks and stonks and like fake words and shit like that. Um, and it had the queen of explosions and a bunch of other interesting little, little wacky characters, right? Uh, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a smash clone, but it's really tight and it feels good. And, um, I bring it up because it has one of my favorite features in anything called the clutch button and the clutch
Starting point is 02:18:42 button is a context specific modifier for whatever you're doing. So it, right? So if you're doing the queen of explosions, if you're doing her warlock punch, which is like a sliding massive explosion punch while you're sliding forward, you tap the clutch button and she reverses directions. It's a modifier to all actions that you can use at all times.
Starting point is 02:19:08 Super awesome. So I love a technical button. If you love people putting game, taking games apart and putting them back together, I am shocked. You have not played Skyrim or New Vegas because those games are baffling in that their definitive states are like homunculus versions of their original form. Well, I also happen to like clean faces, Pat.
Starting point is 02:19:40 So you do. Okay. Well, you can get that. Yeah. No, those are games. You know what? You know what people don't give enough credit to one of the first mods that ever comes out in any game that, that needs
Starting point is 02:19:53 it is clean teeth. Oh my God. Wow. So if the one of the very first mods that came out for the original Dragon Age, because in Dragon Age, they all have like somewhat realistic looking for a medieval era, slightly yellow or teeth and people are like, no, fuck that. Pearly whites.
Starting point is 02:20:12 Now, um, I don't know if like, how do I put this, the types of mods you're describing for fallout and Skyrim are ways to change the single player experience, right? Not necessarily. The types of mods that blow my mind. Well, elaborate on that in a second, but the type of mods that get my attention are shit like, uh, the Dark Souls one you described where it is a whole new crazy thing and shit
Starting point is 02:20:45 like this where it's like, there's fucking PVP and new characters. The distinction between that is a little more blurry than I think you are appreciate because like the one that always comes to mind for me is Project Nevada, which from a gameplay perspective functionally changes it into a different type of game. Like not not out of being an RPG, but it changes it changes it
Starting point is 02:21:17 into a different genre of RPG. Okay. Um, I, I, I like Zerg soccer, Dota and Counter Strike style. We're using this. I'm using, I mean, I'm using the bones of this horse to make a soccer fuck off. I made something else entirely. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:21:37 Yeah. That shit's crazy. I love that. Um, so, yeah, you know, who knows? I mean, right now there's PVP. Maybe there might be like a fucking stage expansion where you can have different arenas. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:21:52 I don't know. I have to take a look, you know, but like that, like seeing that or talking to, um, uh, uh, you know, the guy behind slippy the, uh, excuse me, uh, the, the, uh, fizzy, the guy who made, um, rollback for for melee and it implemented it into the game itself through menus and everything with a rank. That's great. Like, you know, that, that's what I, what I, what I did crazy.
Starting point is 02:22:16 Yeah. Really, really have mad respect for that. So anyway, Devil may cry, strive. Oh, there he is versus I know. Check it out. Wait until you see my shit for Virgil. That is fascinating. Beowulf.
Starting point is 02:22:40 Is that even possible? No, you would have to yours. You'd have to. Yeah. You'd, I mean, let's think for a second because I can't think of this ever occurring. Let's imagine. Now this is an imagination.
Starting point is 02:22:56 Everyone. A scenario in which there was a new version of devil may cry that came out that had an extra character in it, right? Use your imagination. It's crazy. And that was one version of that character. Theater, theater of the mind. Now let's imagine that this mod person, mod maker person also
Starting point is 02:23:19 made a different version of that character themselves as a mod. And which of these would be preferable to the person, the average person? What if the mod one was more enjoyable? Who knows? Would that not be super fucked up? That'd be crazy. I will say this though.
Starting point is 02:23:37 Super nuts. Imagination. Hand to hand as a part of the toolkit really does bring it all together. And I think it's important in addition to Forsage and Yamato that he have that can't go like Dark Slayer is nice, but you know, you need, you need, you need all three. I, uh, I, I wait, if you guys want real imagination, I'll
Starting point is 02:24:08 repeat something I said on my stream two weeks ago or last week or whatever. Um, so you know how the fate people always want us to play fake games? Um, I said something on my stream the other day, but I'd like to get it broadcast out there as big as I can, uh, because it needs to be clarified. There is a fate game that I think is real in development that
Starting point is 02:24:32 if it came out and is real, I would totally play that fate game and probably learn about fate. But it's not announced and it might not be real. And which one's that? So this is the most infuriating part because I said that and everyone went this one. I'm like, no, dumbass. It's a secret one that hasn't been announced yet.
Starting point is 02:24:55 Okay. Well, so if my secret fate game comes out that is probably real, I would totally play that. But until then suck it. Fate unlimited codes to I don't know what codes a.k.a. Then why even talk about it? Cause it's fun to do a.k.a.
Starting point is 02:25:16 Fucked. Is that wait? Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Fine. So moving on.
Starting point is 02:25:34 We got some updates. Turns out even though the case continues, the judge in Epic Games versus Apple has decided to grant relief rather Epic Games is not granted relief to get Fortnite back on the app store, but no, no, you can't just jam it back on there because you decided to break the terms of agreement deliberately. However, clearly also very deliberately like obviously they rendered trailers to celebrate it.
Starting point is 02:26:16 Yeah, but she is ordering Apple to not block development and distribution of Unreal Engine on the app store because that affects way more people than than just that's exactly. So this the the the piss baby Kaiju fight can fuck up people that are just using the engine for their own games and obviously that's bad. So the judge then steps in to stop that from happening. This piss baby Kaiju fight is escalating big time and it is
Starting point is 02:26:50 the funniest thing in the fucking world. It is so fucking hilarious like it has become so obvious that like Epic did this on purpose. It's so like well the quote the literal quote she the judge says is the current predicament appears to be of Epic's own making as they strategically chose to breach agreements with Apple. Yeah, it's no one's falling for it.
Starting point is 02:27:17 So right also the funniest thing that happened last week was Apple just put out a bunch of emails they had with Tim Sweeney like begging them for special treatment. They're Tim Sweeney's like come on guy please let us do come on store and then Microsoft jumped in we don't want with the striker assist and Microsoft was like yeah Apple smells please try edge it's good now that fucking oh my god trying to move like reinstalling shit on a PC and and as you so succinctly
Starting point is 02:28:03 put it edge going man I'll suck your dick come on give it a chance come on give it a chance fucking so embarrassing. Yeah. There's another Tim Sweeney looking at the big Apple in the sky come on guys. That's another boomerass I want to do it boomerass reference because it's like oh wow don't be a menace reference and it's like no menace to society place that the scene came from.
Starting point is 02:28:42 Yeah, I wait the results of this Kaiju battle but for now the judge seems to have a pretty good grasp of what's going on. I felt I felt like a real like sense of of like everyone involved in this so I believe like okay how about this Apple is bad to run a monopoly on their OS and they probably should get that 30% thing and same thing with Android and that's probably good for everybody right. They're scum horrible.
Starting point is 02:29:25 Fortnite sorry for my god fucking epic is just attempting to just be monopoly men for 10 cent and they're all just laughably evil hypocrites and Microsoft is the worst and I hope everything goes terrible for I hope they all lose I hope somehow that's not going to happen everyone involved in the situation loses that will not happen and at least one of them gets eaten by a bear. They're not physical things someone that works there could
Starting point is 02:30:03 get eaten by a bear. Let me filter that a little bit I hope that somehow through the fallout of the Kaiju battle I don't know let's say like devolver is powered up indirectly. Through the alright let me let me let me be slightly more specific because maybe my thing was a little confusing. I hope Tim Sweeney and Tim Cook get trapped in the room in a room together with a hungry bear.
Starting point is 02:30:43 Okay okay and they get too distracted arguing about their money to notice the bear and then the bear eats them. Did you know that if you only eat vegetables you can survive a bear attacking you a bear won't bear won't like you as much. All you have to be you won't just switch your diet up and then the bear is going to be like oh I'll leave you alone I guess. Hey yeah I want from the ashes man named him I guess from
Starting point is 02:31:22 the ashes stadia powers up how about that there you go stadia rises. I think I think that Jim Sterling's tweet the other day where he woke up at 744 AM and just tweeted the words Google stadia period is legit one of the funniest tweets
Starting point is 02:31:50 I've ever seen in my life because I saw it and I remembered that it existed and I just fucking laughed and laughed any updates on the fucking nothing nothing nothing. I mean the reddit the stadia reddit was like that was the place to be a couple weeks ago like the true believers were all slowly losing hope. Faith was shaken but I think that stadia works continues to be dead silent.
Starting point is 02:32:30 And the funniest thing I think is the last tweet on the stadia works account. From January 17th of this year is all the stadia haters have been quieting down I see. Fucking and let me let me bump that there we go. Yeah please please. Fucking
Starting point is 02:32:58 strong strong. Stadia works don't believe the haters and don't come at me with this stadia fan bullshit. That's not the original account. That's a parody. All right. Let's get going.
Starting point is 02:33:23 Let's get going. All right. You read about like away from the stadia away from the stadia and towards somewhere safe like the sinking city like Oh cool. What's going on with them. Oh they're fucked. What the hell.
Starting point is 02:33:42 Okay so I don't know much about this Cthulhu game. It's weird. I was hoping I played it. It's you could fill in some blanks here. So I can fill in a blank. It is a Cthulhu flavored version of the Sherlock Holmes games. Okay you know like Sherlock Holmes crimes and punchments and shit like the end the devil's daughter.
Starting point is 02:34:06 It's it's the it's the Cthulhu version of that. That's a cool crossover. It sure I like the idea that game is of that protagonist in that setting. Oh it's not that protagonist. It's it's just you know it's totally unique everything but Cthulhu. Okay instead of Sherlock Holmes. It's Jankers fuck it is Jankers fuck but it's really interesting. Okay like it's one of those.
Starting point is 02:34:33 It's like oh cool cool. Oh that sucks. Oh cool. And I they announced this big statement about why the game's gotten pulled off steam and whatnot and it is fairly complicated. I don't understand. I read it. What is happening.
Starting point is 02:34:56 I read it and then reread it again and I think I have a grasp here. Essentially the letter they put out more or less describes the fact that the problem is that they could have simplified it by describing the company that they're currently litigating with as a publisher but they did not use the word publisher and that created some confusion but it seems that frog wears the developers behind the sinking city were in they were in a contract with BB Nikon and not bacon BB Nikon were the publishers. They agreed to a deal for them to sell and commercialize the game on
Starting point is 02:35:51 four platforms. That's that's public that that sounds like publishing to me. They didn't say the word but that's what that sounds like right. So there were there they were going to handle the the sale and commercialization of the game on consoles and steam and then later on the Epic Game Store. The intellectual property still belongs to frog rares and the deal they had was essentially to work with them and then there and then the the BB Nikon would be receiving obviously money for what goes up on those those ports
Starting point is 02:36:34 and then paying frog wears from that. So they basically at some point it says that they stopped sending them money they didn't they didn't pay their employees on time. They were more or less holding out funds from them and they had to fight in many cases to get them to pay up what they owed in some cases payments were 40 days late. So prior to the game coming out they had these struggles to begin with which you know always a great sign when you're in a deal with somebody
Starting point is 02:37:10 who holds out money that they owe you. You know that things are going to fucking go swimmingly from there and then they continued because they were committed to their contract to work on the game and then they did at some point there was a what was it so there was an attempt to stop them from working on it as BB Nikon hired a different studio and tried to bring them in and then basically said stop working on the sinking city and send us your code and that will be the end of our deal.
Starting point is 02:37:56 But frog wears was like we own this IP and we own this code. You only have the rights to sell and commercialize the game on four platforms you do not get to own the game or our code. So they didn't do that. There was no there was silence between the two companies and then eventually frog wears completed its contract and finished the game gave it to BB Nikon BB Nikon put that out and then after the game was released they then filed to cancel the contract between them and say
Starting point is 02:38:39 that there was a covid laws in France but the game was already completed which means that's and successful which meant the covid laws apparently wouldn't apply. So BB Nikon's attempt to do that was bullshit. So frog wears at this point goes what the fuck are you doing and attempts to you know again get into a negotiation they do not attempt to I think the word wing was like mend the breach according to the contract and then they stop paying them all together.
Starting point is 02:39:17 So frog wears is no longer receiving any money for the game they made and the publisher is basically ignoring all communication at that point. So now they're basically so now frog wears is saying well we have no choice but to legally pursue action and we're taking the game down from the stores because as it stands the game is making money that is being held from us and the publisher is refusing to give us the money we are owed for making the game.
Starting point is 02:39:52 So we're taking the game down until we can figure this out but we do have it for sale on our site directly with a DRM free version. So for anyone that currently bought the sinking city whatever it's there or they have it but anyone that's trying to buy it now yeah I just checked I still have it if you bought it that money went to the publisher and is being kept from the developer and the version that you can now buy as it's been removed from the stores is the DRM free version from frog wears website
Starting point is 02:40:27 directly but legally they have to dispute and figure out what's going on with all the sales up until now because the publisher owes frog wears a lot of money. That's what I understand. It's a fucking mess sounds like a greedy asshole runs the publisher company and is one of those like yeah I'll get you know I've I've never heard that story before I'm good for it. I swear and they they work with a fucking developer in the
Starting point is 02:41:03 Ukraine and they go fuck these former Soviet block idiots we can push around anybody in the Ukraine as publishers like to do you can imagine the type right when again pre release late payments chasing down someone to pay you and then you get that little like hey man where's where's the money that you're supposed to send it's like oh yeah I don't know I'll get right on that okay cool and then like you know some time later hey I never got that that money you're supposed to set give me
Starting point is 02:41:38 and it's like oh shit right yeah okay no problem it's I sent it right now so it's right it's on its way and it's like wait but you said you sent it already what the fuck what is that you know you know the types you know the types and often times they are in charge of making big decisions and many cases every got to that seat based on that attitude every time I've ever forgotten to give somebody a check or something like that and they bring it up I'm more than it's it's the worst feeling
Starting point is 02:42:07 and yeah it's not great and then I always always always do it within like five minutes and then I always just like usually if just like here's here's extra I'm so I feel so bad but the moment that you go oh yeah I sent it and that's not true you definitely like man I used to work a place where the regular day to day was get your paycheck on paycheck day and before you even open it before you even open it walk to the paycheck complaints line to complain about the hours that
Starting point is 02:42:58 are missing from your paycheck like don't even check like just get it and that line is huge you need to get there so that you will be able to get out because it's past five o'clock walk to the line open up your check while you're in line and and sure enough low and behold you've cut hours off of my check that I did work you fucking scumbags every every every single week it was it was it was it's one of those things where when I worked at the when I worked at the grocery
Starting point is 02:43:32 store originally did not have a punch card right and without the punch card every single motherfucking week it would be hey I stayed an extra hour because you asked me and that's not on here and they go oh our mistake is because it wasn't on the schedule right and then eventually the new owner comes in and goes we're gonna have fucking punch cards because you know people are taking I think that guy took a 20 minute break instead of a 15 and that's wasted his money and this
Starting point is 02:44:08 backfired horribly like horrible because at the end of the week you just grab your card and your paycheck and walk up and go you fuck this up look look it's fucked up I finished 20 minutes like every day this improves that you get extra money not less for the job. Yeah, I think I talked about the extremely brief experiment with timers on your on your workstation when you lock it to go to the bathroom and just a little clock that starts as
Starting point is 02:44:50 soon as you lock it just to just so that the big numbers there and everyone can see it just to panic you and shame you and show how long you've been taken a shit for you know and yeah that fucking went away right quick. You're just adding stress to everyone's fucking head for nothing. I we were supposed to get a 15 minute break because it's
Starting point is 02:45:18 mandated but I would always like literally almost every single day have to stay an extra 10 minutes because to close up or whatever. And so I just started taking 20 minutes on every break and then I got called in and I'm like yeah well I'm staying longer than I'm scheduled because you screw up thing schedule me to 1015. No okay.
Starting point is 02:45:42 I worked exactly 8 hours what's the problem. And that just happened over and over and over and over hey you know what and eventually they just got tired of it. It's time to pick up smoking because smokers get more breaks than non smokers they sure do literally start smoking so that you have an excuse to go outside perhaps even with the boss and get more time to chill than people who don't fucking smoke like that is real super real and it's fucked up but that's
Starting point is 02:46:23 just the way it goes. I think my favorite ever my favorite ever was after like six years of this garbage right and I think I've told the story before about like the story before about how like all the freezers would always break and leak everywhere like all the time and it's like okay it's 955 p.m. All right what's going on here's what's going on every freezer in the fucking building breaks.
Starting point is 02:46:52 Okay boss runs up to me it's at now 956 Pat oh God all the freezers are broken you're still here right and go yeah till 10. They go well you got to stay we got to save this meat I don't care the fuck do I give a shit like well we'll pay you I'm like yeah you would have to are you gonna pay me time and a half no. Well you you had you have to stay I'm telling you you have
Starting point is 02:47:19 to stay I'm like okay don't all right let me go get my my shit in my locker and then I'll then I'll whatever and then they turned around to go to the freezers and I walked right to my punch card and punched the fuck out and left and then the next time I went in. They're fucking pissed yeah. Boy were they fucking pissed yeah. How'd you play that.
Starting point is 02:47:51 You scheduled me till 10. Every every single week every single person that worked there on cash or otherwise said you need to schedule me till 1030 because we're here till 1030 and we are arguing with you every single week every single week ballsy to assume no extra minutes ballsy to assume no recourse on that because you know not everybody has the liberty of like. Not get there was no recourse because there is no legal
Starting point is 02:48:20 recourse but like people will make your life a living hell for just not being a team player and taking the hit you know. So that's the best part is that there was no recourse at all because the grocery store union was actually super good okay and every three months that you work there to get fired you needed three written warnings followed by two meetings and that was that would stack up.
Starting point is 02:48:47 So since I had been there for six or seven years they would have to give me 29 weeks of written warnings and like 10 in person meetings to even discuss firing so you had you had grocery store tenure. I had go I had grocery store tenure and the deal with the people who work there who would be like like I can't believe you're not a team player or whatever is that when you run a place that badly everyone hates it and everyone's like
Starting point is 02:49:21 yeah fucking go I'm gonna I'm gonna like it's this thing of like sneaking out of your job when your shift is over that is like the absolute ultimate of how fucking is of like I finished half an hour ago. Yeah the only the only reason that this whole situation worked is one there was a good union and two in Quebec at least once you punch if you work it's illegal like every minute on the like off the clock is big illegal and people
Starting point is 02:49:53 will get very mad. Well unfortunately standing in line to wait for your correction on your paycheck for 45 minutes doesn't count as working so that's great. Have you ever had the adrenaline rush of a bounced check? There is nothing that fires up the synapses that clears your sinuses that wakes you the fuck up than a bounced paycheck. Boy that's boy are you alert so you know what Willie I've
Starting point is 02:50:33 described this emotion before and I'm glad that you're describing it now it is the emotion it is legitimately exciting and it is I'm gonna get to have a big big mother fucking fight in which I am 100% right there's no way I can be wrong I'm 100% in the clear I get to throw a fucking adult tantrum for real and no one can stop me. My landlord has post dated checks how dare you push your bounce onto me and my living situation you fucking ingrate
Starting point is 02:51:13 like oh don't bounce a check I'll do you one better I'll do you one better and it's a it's a somewhat combination of the two things we've been talking about grocery store use direct deposit yes didn't use yes yes yes that's that's which means you don't get a bounce right what you get is I'm gonna pay for something and then your cards decline your debit card is declined and you go that's impossible X like I worked X hours blah blah blah blah blah today is Tuesday or whatever
Starting point is 02:51:51 the day was that I should have I should easily be able to pay for the sandwich what the is going on it's that it's the it's like you don't even get the benefit of knowing that you're broke you you just you just find out that you're yes someone just reminded me I totally read this stat the other day wage theft is way more like the sum total of wage theft is massive by comparison to actual property theft like it is the largest form of it's a large classification of of
Starting point is 02:52:32 theft as is easy it's way easier to just not give someone money than it is to take money away you know and like someone stealing money from you go stand in line and like file a complaint and hope that they decide to give it back to you you know you know who you know who me and my co-workers hated more than anyone else at work we hated the more than the boss is even it was like the two or three guys who are just working there as a part-time job and didn't actually care about money
Starting point is 02:53:09 at all they were just doing it for their parents or whatever and when they got bummed on their on their paychecks they didn't bother to bring it up because that made it okay those guys those guys made it funk fucking financially feasible to stiff so they made it they made it okay every single week they were the actual fucking worse like congrats I have to fight for my cash every single week because you're too lazy to go hey bitch give me my
Starting point is 02:53:38 money once awful I am probably owed like like thousands and thousands of dollars in back pay that I never like never caught and so are you there like oh absolutely I mean you had to the mental math of your owed extra check like your own makeup whatever but you have to then subtract that from the next check you are owed and do the math because they're every time
Starting point is 02:54:17 they're paying you what they fucking stole from you plus what they're currently stealing from you so you have to be on your shit to make sure they're not double stealing from you yeah and then there'd be dumbasses go wow I got a really big check this week yeah because you don't nothing last week yeah they forgot to pay you entirely well anyway say what you will about fucking Twitch they fucking pay me
Starting point is 02:54:48 on it does it the trains do run on time here at Twitch and I've got I've got I got a god damn message once from Twitch that says we screwed up the math here's extra I got I got that to I got that to right it was like a couple hundred bucks or whatever but it was like oh sick great speaking of marks
Starting point is 02:55:21 have you seen hold on hold on let me make sure I get this right talk about Wukong you fucks what are you gonna talk about Wukong man you know what that's a great that's a great rallying cry to let you know that I have to use the washroom so I'm gonna just I have masturbated 12 times to Wukong I'm I'm just gonna leave I'm gonna be gone for two three minutes I have to pee
Starting point is 02:55:51 enjoy your Wukong everybody okay well let's talk about Wukong have you guys seen the trailer for Wukong did you see the monkey and then the guy that turns into the thing and then he does the magic and he pulls the staff out it was like Dark Souls but it was really pretty wow trailer was pretty sick there was a little bit of
Starting point is 02:56:21 jank in a very specific way it's like interesting because it's like this is a gorgeous trailer and this is a this is a a beautiful beautiful no whatever anyway beautiful trailer for a game and I feel like we're going to need to see I guess like kind of how the the the the real thing shapes up when it comes down to gameplay with that 13 minutes it did give a feel but it still felt like
Starting point is 02:56:59 an extraordinarily scripted 13 minutes and what was it there was something there was a sound effect of the character getting hit that sounded a little off there was something about it I don't remember if it was like like it was like either like a some blood splattering kind of noise or like the wolf hitting the rocks or the tiles on the ground but it was just a little little bit of a of a weird touch to
Starting point is 02:57:32 it but it's it's it's definitely doing you're seeing some massive cues from like hey look it's it's it's blood borne crawling on top of that roof and it's jumping at you and the particle effects are high and yeah and it beats up the guys and it looks like a pretty cool journey to the West story so we'll see we'll see we'll see what's going on China's working on or Tencent I should say it's working on this game
Starting point is 02:58:01 black myth Wukong what's the name of the studio here because again it's like the trailer I don't know what it is but it just there's a level of polish I'm seeing that I'm like there's some stuff in this trailer a game science thank you X Tencent employees at Game Science there's some stuff in this trailer where I'm like I I I don't believe you I don't believe you I think something else is going on here you know
Starting point is 02:58:37 but it says this gameplay footage is directly recorded from a pre-alpha game build work in progress does not represent the final version of the game that's again the fucking horseshit that you get in all of these trailers like yeah all right sure this insanely polished thing is pre-alpha those are some pre-alpha water reflections some pre-alpha light refractions pre-alpha foliage and greenery and
Starting point is 02:59:22 shrubbery like come the fuck on with this now do you think I don't like I don't I def I don't think like it does go into gameplay so I don't think we're looking at a rendered third like purely rendered video like the gameplay looks like gameplay is happening but but I need I know I yeah I need to see a little bit more I
Starting point is 02:59:53 need to see a little bit more I don't know what's going on I don't know how much of this is actually real and by real I mean like this is a vertical slice for sure this is a vertical slice it's all it's it's very likely that like this is what exists of it but providing if look if this is not a lie then
Starting point is 03:00:26 it looks cool and if it is a lie then we were lied to you know that's that's all I can really say hey I'm back who lied to you about what Wukong black myth I thought I had missed it fucking talk about Wukong have you seen three tweet I don't go
Starting point is 03:00:52 Wukong yeah I don't care and you can't make me care it's a souls like game involving the journey to the West mythos son Goku and a staff and he does a lot of transformations and the third and it's 13 minutes of gameplay but it might be a lie yeah it's possible it's always possible
Starting point is 03:01:18 did you do you know did you see it at all you know what I'm talking about at all yeah I saw I saw it a little saw it a little cool I guess okay I hate journey to the West like I hate it I've seen bad renditions of it and I've seen really cool ones I played enslaved to completion so I never touched enslaved that's probably a bad one I really there's a comic series called Zinn that was fucking
Starting point is 03:01:50 awesome super good version of journey to the West son son is a cool character for Marvel vs Capcom to agree with that I think I I could I could care for a Goku yep there was a ridiculously high budget movie that came to Fantasia that was like so silly but whatever it was just shiny lights and flashing fucking lasers as as as they had their own thing and you know it was bad but like some of the action was cool
Starting point is 03:02:27 yeah there's there's I don't know there's just a little there's little things where you're like a jank is not the right word for it but it's like it's like it's but it's like you have access to the tools to make this really pretty world and character and stuff but there's a little bit of there's a little bit of like something's a little bit off
Starting point is 03:02:44 you know it's hard to put your finger on what so someone says this video was made for recruitment purposes the devs even talked about the shortcomings they had with the current build so have some faith someone else says this is a lie it is not real do not trust it good good good nice combination there so emotions take it so there you go there you go we'll see we'll see I hope it's real because if it is like that's a pretty new game
Starting point is 03:03:14 that would be cool he does all these Goku powers like creating copies wow of I think I think it would be really cool for Wukong the monkey king to do a Goku because I think Goku is much cold cooler than Wukong that's what I think and that I think Wukong could learn a two or the one thing from Goku probably Goku came first
Starting point is 03:03:47 probably the coolest version of Journey to the West that I can think of is a giant ass tome by you're looking for a book I'm pulling up yeah here we go Terada Katsuya a really cool artist he had a series called to Raku that King and he did his own Journey to the West comic and he does this amazing gorgeous fucking art and like that's some of the hottest
Starting point is 03:04:21 shit ever it's like it's it's tech plus tradition and anyway there's some cool there's some cool versions out there that's all I'm trying to say the best thing Goku ever did was cut his tail off and stop being a monkey hey where did the where did this this this this this whole next bit thing come from who the fuck who the fuck are these people so that was yelling off that was my that was my stream for sure and that was I
Starting point is 03:04:57 was going for an absolute dumb ass fucking joke I think was a bunch of puns and somebody in the chat just started screaming in all caps next bit and I was like you know what that is what is happening isn't it that is what is actually always happening is like you're doing it you're doing a goof you're doing a joke you're doing a gab okay and it's fucking bombing okay and you're like
Starting point is 03:05:25 ah fuck it and so as as such when I started to have my bad opinions or my make fun of the people for fun in my own penile amusement people start to yell at me to do the next bit okay I appreciate the context because I assume that is spreading outwards when I see it not not not on Willie versus mainly here but when I see it not knowing that context I am inclined to fucking sit on the bit because that is some audacious exactly exactly go fuck yourself that's part like
Starting point is 03:06:03 I've never felt a more holy shit go fuck yourself when I see that I've been I changed my name to Pat stairs a ways to kill Superman and I've been thinking about ways to kill Superman for a couple days and every now and then somebody will be like next bit and every time that happens a new dumb Superman tweet happens yeah like 100 yeah you have to make Superman into a giant pie you have to understand the that the unironic use of that without the context you just described
Starting point is 03:06:37 especially yeah is like nothing has nothing will compel me more to sit on the bit until you go away yeah and then once you're gone we'll move on to the next bit yeah that is that is some spite power so a really good example right as I have a puppy over there he's sleeping he's snoring is his tongue is out he bluffing is when you have a puppy and if you just kind of pull on their leash or whatever sometimes the puppy is going to go no I don't want to because force resistance pull
Starting point is 03:07:14 equals breaks so when somebody tells me not to talk about my puppy I engage in a series of events in which not only will I engage with the puppy the puppies fluids will attack my body there you go in full view of all of you yeah and then at some point I will interrupt the stream of consciousness to tell everyone that he has an adorable puppy mush mouth and I give him kisses and I love him well there's no way to make somebody want to do something more than just tell them to stop doing
Starting point is 03:07:44 it out of nowhere I do appreciate the context and now I know that next bit is a joke and it is never to be taken seriously no one is saying it ever unless they're saying it ironically it's all within good humor be like I have I have seen like go back to the old bit previous bit is really bad previous bit previous bit. It's a good previous bit is for real I believe do other God Internet stream video game content people even have like
Starting point is 03:08:19 bits do like in the terms of I don't like we they do in the way that we use it but does anyone use the term bit in the way we use it like I like medium speak. I feel like obviously I'm going to speak for my own stream and I can speak for pages stream a little bit and obviously yours there feels like in the in the super beast extended universe I'm going to include plague as well that where other content creators will go behind the curtain I feel like
Starting point is 03:08:48 there's never been a curtain ever now really right like play go just be on his shit. And you'll be like oh man is doing that shit right or page will be crying because of some fall guys memory shenanigans or a windmill and you'll be like haha good bit and she'll have tears in her eyes go yeah good bit right totally a bit right the curtains gone I don't think we ever even had there was never a curtain.
Starting point is 03:09:25 There was never a curtain nor there was a glass except for the one that she walked through. Oh you caught you got it you caught up with that what with the new glass new glass. No you're talking about the old glass old glass. Yeah that happened again. Oh yeah sick. Yeah again she came home with a big red mark on her forehead
Starting point is 03:09:44 because she saw like a shiny purse just just brained herself almost died might have had a concussion. It's it. Yeah it's good. Listen Nintendo's making a new switch in 2021 and it's possibly going to be 4k. Okay yeah sure hardware upgrade it's going to be it's going to be called it's going to be called the new car smell switch
Starting point is 03:10:21 3DS. They might call it like re-switch. You know. But apparently the point is to compete with the ever growing market so when we get a PS5 and an Xbox Series X coming out aka an XX we're going to need something new for the Nintendo shelf space. So they're bringing out some sort of new SKU.
Starting point is 03:10:57 I mean 4k that's cool there's some other changes I could I could ask for. I would I would here's what I want I want to think the can display in 4k but no one bothers and just get those frame rates up to 30 at least God. I will take an Ethernet port. Oh yeah. Yeah just put the fucking port on the thing or in the dock in
Starting point is 03:11:23 the dock that's what I mean in the dock I mean in the dock. Please put it in the dock I know I know there's an there's an adapter I'm not talking about the adapter there's only two slots you need them. I'm talking about the fucking it's going to be it's going to be called. I just saw somebody nail it it's going to be called the new switch.
Starting point is 03:11:43 The it has to be the new the new switch and then the new and then the one after that will be called the new switch again. We joke but video game console names have become more terrible than we ever imagined. What's the last good one. PlayStation 5. Because it has no confusion. I guess I always felt well you know I never liked PlayStation
Starting point is 03:12:13 as a name I always just we just got used to it but I've never really liked it I always felt like it sounds like a club PlayStation sounds like a strip club like totally I've never enjoyed that particularly my my my quality level for for console names is whether or not you know what it what it is. I think right. Okay I liked Dreamcast but not when you find out that it was Project Dolphin or that we also could have had Project Katana
Starting point is 03:12:46 Project Katana. You know that means Japanese sword so. Nintendo every every single one of Microsoft's is the worst name that's ever been done. And are the winners when you work on games. Using for the for the Wii when the Wii came out with the dev kits all the naming conventions of their documents and the discs were all literally using Revolution and RVL
Starting point is 03:13:14 as their codes so they had Revolution as the functioning thing you know. Still have those codes on the boxes. Yeah yeah anyway console names have definitely gone down. Well there's nothing wrong with PlayStation just stop it especially when you have Game Boy so just stop it. No I think I think we can do better than that way better than PlayStation.
Starting point is 03:13:40 I think we can do better than that. We've gotten used to PlayStation but it's not it's definitely not my favorite. Game Boy is way better than PlayStation. I say Sega has you could go to a Game Boy Hooters. Sega's Sega's has the best library of names Genesis. Yeah I'd agree. Saturn.
Starting point is 03:14:00 Dreamcast. Dreamcast. Even the master systems are good. Nomad. Yeah it's good. Great names. Those are good names. Yeah Mega Drive.
Starting point is 03:14:13 Mega Drive. Mega Drive is really good. Yeah Sega Sega was was definitely the strongest of all with the names. Sega's the Sega's the the best Sony is nice and average because there is literally the same thing every time. Yep. Microsoft is overall the worst by a massive margin and
Starting point is 03:14:33 Nintendo special trips over its own special. Yeah Nintendo gets that the new Nintendo 3DS XL as the actual worst title for any device ever. Well I don't think we have to think hard about like whatever it was revolving around the word Nintendo because it's like yeah it's the name of the company so whatever. It's a NES. It's a Super NES.
Starting point is 03:14:56 It's a 64 like all of that was just like you don't think too hard about it. It's the brand. The company is the brand you know. But yeah mother still to this day asks me if I am enjoying the new Nintendo. The new Nintendo. It worked man.
Starting point is 03:15:14 It worked. Oh and the one time PlayStation swerved away. They went with life so there's that. You know. Yeah. Kudos Sega. Anyway that's going on next year. Dragon's Dygma anime trailer.
Starting point is 03:15:35 Some 3D stuff. I was pretty impressed by the voice acting because it seems like if they didn't get the actual voice actors they got a bunch of sound elics. Oh these are characters. Dragon's dead on. These are characters from the game. Yes.
Starting point is 03:15:52 I thought you create a character and a pawn. You do. But are these like plot people that are. I mean Grigori is going to be Grigori. Right. Dragon's going to be the dragon. Are these NPCs in the game that are not the player character. No.
Starting point is 03:16:08 OK. But I mean there were a lot of miscellaneous characters here or there. Is just the canonical looks for the player characters. The main guy looks like the generic guy on the box art. OK. Dragon's Dygma. And his wife looks like your cousin which is really kind of weird.
Starting point is 03:16:33 Don't worry about that. Sure. I see a dragon. It's burning things and it looks like a dragon. Dragon's Dygma is really cool. I hope this thing is also really cool. It looks really 3D as shit. Looks very 3D.
Starting point is 03:16:48 Very 3D. Better than Berserk 3D. Much better. Significantly better than Berserk 3D. But very 3D for sure. It doesn't have the wind is pushing me. And seeing the dragon flap its wings. I was like OK.
Starting point is 03:17:06 It's not stiff. You know. But yeah we'll have to see I suppose. Nothing in this trailer though. I'll say this as someone who you told me about how good the game is. It's incredible. Nothing in this trailer really reaches past typical fantasy. So I'm going to have to wait and see.
Starting point is 03:17:36 Hilariously old fashioned classic fantasy. That red dragon is literally the dragon and the back of every one of my old comics from Dungeon Siege. So you remember what you thought Dark Souls looked like? That's what Dragon's Dygma actually looks like. Yeah. Yeah. It is like this is not just a griffin. That is the Ur griffin.
Starting point is 03:18:04 This is the griffinist griffin that has ever looked like a griffin. Yeah. No the red dragon like when you see how straightforward they play it. It's clear that they're not really going to go for that much else that isn't traditional. But if the events occurring around these generic things is good then that's good. But somebody somebody really pointed out perfectly in the chat which is like the dragon that you fight looks like the TSR logo. Yeah. The tea exactly.
Starting point is 03:18:38 Exactly. The fucking the dude. I'm telling you man. Those those Dungeon Siege ads. Am I thinking of this Dungeon Siege maybe I'm thinking of something else but there's a red dragon on the back of all these Marvel comics protecting the board game in the gold. And you're like fuck it. Hell that's such a such a TSR logo. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:18:57 And what I will say is that I also watched Castlevania and saw the trailer for that as someone who was outside of you know that sort of thing. And I feel like that the flavor there felt much more unique just on a teaser. You know. So yeah I would agree. I would agree with that. This might this might end. Dragon's Dogma has a lot of really really really cool shit. But a lot of that is in the playing.
Starting point is 03:19:26 Itsunosan's team's controls are not going to fucking you know cross the gap into anime. Dungeons and Dragons ads. Okay that's what it was. Yeah it was just straight up traditional Dungeons and Dragons ads on those comics. Right right right right right. There's a couple little Easter eggs I'd like for them to put in there. But I'm definitely going to watch it. I want every single scene in which takes place in Grand Soren which is the big city.
Starting point is 03:19:58 I want to have a fucking voice clip of that asshole going masterworks all you can't go wrong in the background per episode. I want it to confuse watchers and have them hate it. That's a reference. Okay I thought you were. Oh you've been seeing that and just didn't know. I thought masterworks all was saying you can't go wrong. Was saying that everything that we're talking about Castlevania and Dragon's Dogma and all this were all amazing. And you can't go wrong watching them.
Starting point is 03:20:32 The main merchant in Dragon's Dogma that you go to almost every time. Okay. Every single time you click on him he says masterworks all you can't go wrong. It is the most played sound file in the game by a massive magnitude. It is the Dragon's Dogma equivalent of Get Out of Here Stalker. Okay. Fuck I love Get Out of Here Stalker. But do you know your history?
Starting point is 03:21:06 I don't. Can Call of Duty help me know my history? It can. Did you know that don't worry about it years ago nothing happened here? I did know that many years ago in this place nothing happened at all. Activision removes Tiananmen Square footage from Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War trailer. It lasted less than a second but a brief snippet of Tiananmen Square footage was in the trailer for Call of Duty Black Ops. And the trailer was then banned in China and Activision has replaced it with a new edited version worldwide.
Starting point is 03:22:00 This is the best because every single time one of these shooters comes out there's the same interview with the director and the producer where they explain Ubisoft's the worst at it but Activision's pretty bad in which they explain like man we're just asking questions not about politics. Oh man. This is a Call of Duty Cold War. It is about a decades long struggle of a war that was only fought politically. And then the fucking tagline of the game is know your history or be doomed to repeat it. And then they without a shred of irony just start snipping out historical footnotes.
Starting point is 03:22:50 Like at the instant anyone complains. Not this history though. This history got a little too hot. Know your other history. It is the most coward bitch fuck loser like ride the line of what people will not complain about fucking look of any games message ever. It is your entire leg in your mouth. Yeah it's like now of course China is going to have a problem with this happening. And I remember there was a as the they were hitting they were coming up on the anniversary of it the other day and there was a wonder
Starting point is 03:23:38 there was a discussion a slight discussion about like is it is it possible there might be a slow slow acknowledgement in some way at some point. There's been a couple of things that indicate that there's a slight softening and then absolutely not bossing say is walled the fuck up. There's no war. There's no war about saying say why would you even mention it. So so yeah this is this is a like the tagline and what not just makes us all the more rich and hilarious. But don't forget please that this is the sequel to the fucking Blitzchunk shit from last year. More specifically this is a sequel to a Call of Duty game that was like explicitly like pro torture and pro extra legal murder of civilians. And which now also whitewashed a fucking American war atrocity and tried to pretend that it was the Russian army that did it.
Starting point is 03:24:46 Like the. Oh yeah. Last year they had a they had a sequence call in the in their Call of Duty game called the highway of death in which the Russians were bombing all sorts of civilian vehicles and stuff like that. And like oh man we got to stop the Russian army from causing the highway of death. Except the highway of death is a real thing that did happen. But it was the other side that did it not the Russians. Oopsie doodle. It was just a coincidence.
Starting point is 03:25:16 Previous bit. It was previous bit. Go back to World War Two. Everybody knows what happened there. It was just a coincidence guys. It was just a coincidence. Back to deep. We named it the same thing back to Normandy.
Starting point is 03:25:29 Back to Normandy. We all know D-Day. Nothing to figure out there. Get on the U-Boat. Previous bit. Go go back. Oh man. Dude it's fucking it's the way that they have handled it.
Starting point is 03:25:47 It's like yeah no this is this is a game series that came up in a series of conflicts that were completely morally inambiguous. Unambiguous yeah. They were not ambiguous at all. Right? Like Nazi bad. Shoot Nazi bad. Bang bang. Easy.
Starting point is 03:26:05 German Wehrmacht. They're gonna stop. They're stomping all over Russian homes. And as we get more contemporary suddenly it gets a little less straightforward. Because we're not quite finished writing history. Like they had in Coblops one they had a Vietnam sequence and fuck do they like dance around that shit. They do like a resurrection of like a deer hunter scene. You know the Russian roulette shit.
Starting point is 03:26:35 And then they have like the fucking napalm shit. But like the characters don't even barely fucking acknowledge that they're even in Vietnam. Well because it's fucking weird. Is it weird that the more recent wars we go to the harder it is to make video games around them. Because suddenly justifications get really really thin. That's why they all take place in weird fictional countries that are functionally identical to real countries. But it's different. It's almost like all modern wars are based on a lie Pat.
Starting point is 03:27:15 Why are you talking about modern wars? Back in the old days when you'd be hanging out with Alex and you'd be like Alex what's up. I was like I want to take over them and you're like okay Alex let's do it. Previous back good old days. At least at least you could be like well I mean we invaded you because Alex told us to and he's really ugly but super cool. You hear about that Alexander the Great was apparently like one of the most ferociously ugly men in history. No I didn't. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 03:27:58 That's why his statues are always so beautiful. Wow. That's why Diogenes didn't give a fuck. Okay. I didn't I didn't hear about that. I'm just gonna be smart and homeless. Get out of my face Ugo. You're standing in my light bitch.
Starting point is 03:28:17 Yeah. I saw a comic depiction of a moment the other day where it's like oh the boy was throwing stones at a bunch of men in the marketplace one day and everyone kind of knew that this boy was the son of a prostitute in the area. And Diogenes comes up to him and puts his hand on the boy's shoulder and says but wait child you should stop throwing stones throwing stones. You might hit your father. Why Diogenes got a sick burn that child. Because that child fucking deserved it. That kid does. What the hell.
Starting point is 03:28:59 The kid basted himself and Diogenes just roasted the pre basted child. You got to understand. That's terrible. That's terrible. Why would you do that Diogenes. That's horrible. Bath tub life is too real Ben. That's like that's the climax of like the fucking university arc in Monster.
Starting point is 03:29:21 Do you remember that. They're like the middle where he sends the kid down the street to the docks. Right. Right. Right. Like just you dude. Bath tub life is too real. You know.
Starting point is 03:29:38 Anyway so so yeah that's a fucking weird ass embarrassing one and it's almost like annualizing a giant franchise where you have to pick conflicts is going to be a harder and harder thing because the conflicts you're going to pick are going to increasingly become more and more bullshit. Like you remember when battlefield just said fuck it and started making completely made up wars and then was like World War One was bad. Right. Guys. Remember the fight when maybe remember the US invasion of at Estotzka. Just just what are we going to do here. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:30:26 I mean look it's it's either Ace Combat is the most real depiction of war in video games. It's either that or like you know Call of Duty. Remember the Abu Ghraib. Or you're you're fighting for the noble cause you know. The Battle of Guantanamo. You mean when. Marines went and saved all those people from Guantanamo. They saved them.
Starting point is 03:31:00 They saved them. You know the next call of duty. The game is actually rather inexpensive by comparison budget wise because all the enemy soldiers have a pretty similar look naked bodies with a bag on the face you only got to make one of those. I got no follow up to that shit. I do. Next bit. What you do. Next bit.
Starting point is 03:31:28 Remember two days in Fallujah. Remember that game. Remember how that never fucking came out. I do remember that. Yeah. And they're like yo new game coming out. Check it out. Today or 48 hours in Fallujah or whatever the fuck it was called was a seven day.
Starting point is 03:31:46 Seven days. Whatever that got announced within like a week of that battle and everyone that fought in it was like what the hell. Yeah. So they announced the game. They announced the game. Seven days in Fallujah. And then my fucking cousin who was in Fallujah is like what the fuck are you doing. And then the game didn't come out.
Starting point is 03:32:13 Yeah. Because it was like. Next bit. Next bit. Okay. I don't think there's anything more cowardly than making a war game and having the balls to stand in front of somebody and go that's not asking questions man. No wait. I can think of something more cowardly making a game that asks what if black people were robots and then going.
Starting point is 03:32:46 Hey asking questions man. Hey you know that actually. Though I got in there was a donation that came in the other day where someone asked if you had to break David Cage characters into classes of a David Cage MMO. What would they be. And I'm like that's way too good of a question to not to use right here where I'm on the spot and I can't think of it. That's definitely more podcasts. So we're getting into the questions now but right off the bat my first class is Marcus. Marcus is a job class in Cage in Cage World MMO.
Starting point is 03:33:23 Fat evil is absolutely a class. It's the rogue. Yeah. It sneaks up behind you with its fat evil. Noble homeless. Noble hobo. No. No.
Starting point is 03:33:39 Yeah. That's right. Noble hobo. Noble hobo is definitely a class. Noble hobo. And it also comes with a innocent child secondary. You know so there's there's definitely that fake child's noble hobo shower girl in her big apartment. Oh see I thought I thought what you were going to say was the unfortunately if you pick a guy in the David Cage RPG you can choose from a bunch of classes.
Starting point is 03:34:18 But if you pick a female character you can only play as the rape magnet class. Well there is that but no there's two. There's that class. There's that. Okay. There's that class and there's I'm standing at your child's grave but I want you to put a baby in me. Okay. Class.
Starting point is 03:34:39 I am I am here to breed your next generation. You know what you know what's a fun thing about doing a live podcast. I prepped my brain for that statement and then as I said it my stomach dropped through my ass. That's correct. Like just yeah I'm yeah I'm going to do it. I think this stuff this is a poignant bit. Did it. I guess it is the same class.
Starting point is 03:35:09 That's true. Yeah. Yeah. You unlock the baby crazy modifier at level 20. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure.
Starting point is 03:35:21 Fat evil lost Hollywood actor fat evil noble hobo Marcus just Marcus and he's got an AOE that just plays the music when you're standing around him and it forces all conflicts to be resolved with a basketball game. He can only speak in dialogue clips from civil rights leaders. It's the only way to talk. Somebody in the chat said white savior. That's white savior is pretty good. White savior is pretty good. That's a subclass.
Starting point is 03:36:20 Yeah. Pick that as your subclass. So definitely like yeah you could have me like amnesiac main guy. You can go if you can branch off into white savior. I definitely think there should be a class for depressed actor. Oh yeah. Depressed mocap actor. Oh depressed mocap actor is a is absolutely a class with the with the face dots and everything.
Starting point is 03:36:54 That's good. I like that. All right. So what we've discovered in this in this discussion there's a lot of hack shit out there and this is a nice follow up to last week when me and you were laughing at yourself stupid over at the animal farm. There's a lot of hack shit out there. There are hack books. There are hack movies.
Starting point is 03:37:14 There's hack music. I can't think of a genre. Sorry. I have a medium that can go as maximum hack garbage shit as video games like just the most embarrassing shit. There's a lot of bad movies out there. I know there's a lot of bad movies. You're right. These are the ones that are.
Starting point is 03:37:36 No. Okay. No. Hold on. Hold on. I can fight that. I can fight that. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:37:44 Yeah. Um. Magazines. Oh. Magazines are 97% hack. Oh you're right. You're right. Magazines are the worst as a medium.
Starting point is 03:37:55 There's nothing there. What was there is now dead. Thank you orphan. Podcasts can be pretty hacky. That's pretty good. There used to be good magazines. But oh my God I thought you I thought you were going to fucking say there used to be good podcasts. No no no there used to be good magazines.
Starting point is 03:38:24 Once upon a time. There were things. Like Edge and. Electronic gaming monthly. EGM was pretty great. I like. You know retro gamer collection. But.
Starting point is 03:38:46 But. Nowadays tabloids rule. And. You know. The medium is pretty much completely given way to. Basically. What was it. Fuck Megan Merkel.
Starting point is 03:39:06 Everybody loves Middleton. Type. You know shit. Okay. You know what I'm talking about all that stuff or it's like oh this princess is the worst when she does it. But this other one is the best. We talked about it a couple weeks ago where basically both royal family wives do the exact same shit. But in one case the tabloids are like how fucking dare she the audacity.
Starting point is 03:39:32 And in the other case it was like. Yeah. I'm going to ask for the sake of the podcast listeners. That you do not get me riled up talking about the royal family. Okay. Because I'm I'm percolating. Well. It doesn't matter where that conversation goes.
Starting point is 03:40:01 There's only one place that it ends. And that's. I can. Going out for pizza. Oh yeah. Yeah. The unusual event of going out for pizza. So the conversation only has one direction to go no matter what happens.
Starting point is 03:40:18 You're right. Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. It's fine. Let's take some letters. Hey if you want to send in a letter send it to Castle Super Beast Mail at gmail.com. That's Castle Super Beast Mail at gmail.com.
Starting point is 03:40:34 If you have a decent question Willie might pick it out. Or comment. Comments too sometimes. Got an email. Buckingham. More like. I. Nope.
Starting point is 03:40:59 It's not even going to touch it. Not even going to touch it. I'm not a big fan of the British royal family. People may know this already. Well I was pretty indifferent either way. I found it to be a hilarious antiquated tradition. But at the end of the day they are our royal family after all as subjects of the crown. But I can say that I did not expect the third act plot twist that is protecting child abusers
Starting point is 03:41:41 and pedophiles. I didn't expect the final twist to kind of swing that way. Didn't see it coming. You should have. Because that's a fun little little extra to put on the stat sheet. Are you sweating. A little. A little.
Starting point is 03:42:10 Oh that's unfortunate. I have a condition. I can't. Visibly. Visibly red. I can't sweat. I have a condition that stops me from sweating. Really?
Starting point is 03:42:20 Yeah. Ever since the Falkland Wars I haven't sweat. That is the shittiest. That is the actual lamest carry it. What the hell. So that couldn't be me. Not a single drop of perspiration. I regret.
Starting point is 03:42:48 I regret that our discussion of the royal family involves touching on some subjects that are unbecoming. We got one coming in from. Thago. Thago says recently I've been catching up on the podcasts and I had to inform you guys of a forbidden fact. It's about American cheese. It was actually invented by a Canadian and it was named as such in an attempt to sell
Starting point is 03:43:39 it to America. Great hustle overall in the same vein. There's a discussion about Trails of Cold Steel 3 where they said it was a good starting point for the series from publisher NISS America. This was done because prior to the third release they stole the rights to publish Falcons game in the west from Exceed which caused a lot of issues relating to microtransactions and the disaster that was Ease 8. So the prior games in the Trails series still published by Exceed so this was basically
Starting point is 03:44:14 them trying to get people to buy their product instead of going to get the better experience that gives money to a competitor. I'll be honest I barely heard that. I'm trapped in my own mindscape. Is that mindscape called Little Saint James? No. I was just thinking about you know for all, hey you know what it's fun to make fun of Americans mainly because it's easy but but the Revolutionary War was lit guys good job.
Starting point is 03:45:02 Hey man some what I can't even look at your camera feed right now I have moved the camera feed off my screen because I can't deal with your fucking smug ass shit. For the first time ever in our lives at the very least a couple people in the royal family are like hey you know what would be fucking sick let's stop being members of the royal family and everyone's like word and they're like yeah we're out and then they're like wait this sucks and I'm like good what do you talk about they're like now we're gonna do charity shit but let's distance ourselves from the Buckingham. You know.
Starting point is 03:45:59 No they were complaining about some shit. Okay well I'm reading between the lines of them trying to get themselves away from some unbecoming behavior you know alright well anyway well anyway. American cheese was made by a Canadian. A lot of American things are made by Canadians like basketball and Jim Carrey never forget we cut the hole in the bottom of that peach basket it was a moment of our heritage. The medium is the message Jay says dear catchphrases and mental illness bam I was a massive Pokemon mark for most of my life it's a dead horse now but I ducked out of sword and shield
Starting point is 03:46:57 for obvious reasons and I get pretty bummed when I think about it what are franchises that are technically still alive and well but are dead to you. I'm sure there's Silent Hill Pachinko machines still coming out. Single top shining force. Shining force has been dead for 20 times longer than it's been alive. I come from the net wait how is that technically still alive. I'm sorry did you miss the guardian code oh I did that got bleached out of my brain thanks for we're done here reboot we're done.
Starting point is 03:48:04 Correction hey woolly Pat's wrong about the SMTHD Maniacs DLC wanted to drop a quick line because the Dante DLC being ridiculous including the Maniacs edition stuff etc is wrong on multiple levels and it makes me sad when I see it online keep in mind there are three versions of Nocturne Maniacs edition was the second not final edition Nocturne was 2k3 then Maniacs 2k4 Chronicles was 2k8 the difference between Maniacs and Chronicles was replacing Dante with Raido and all other Maniacs edition content is in the HD remaster since it's based on Chronicles so Dante's DLC appears to exclusively be for putting Dante back in the game and paying Capcom I think yeah woolly's guess is right on the money
Starting point is 03:49:00 seems obvious that if it wasn't 10 bucks for just Dante Capcom wants its money that's ridiculous seems really obvious that if it weren't for this DLC Dante wouldn't be in the game so here we go that's absolutely absurd and then fun fact but spoilers in the fun fact so thanks Frank I won't really tell people about the spoilers Joe says in the time that Game of Thrones last book came out we've had the following things these are always fun this is the sequel to Duke Nukem forever so we used to talk about Duke Nukem forever all the things that have started and ended and then it went from Hollywood pop things into the wars yeah since the last Game of Thrones book we've had seven seasons of the show plus the extra year they
Starting point is 03:49:57 spent working on season 8 the entirety of Dark Souls and all of its imitators got it Captain America the first Avenger and 18 MCU movies got it eight other books by G Grimm the entire I didn't know that there the entire book series the Expans publishing its ninth book and fifth season sometimes next year literally one billion people were born cool the last Game of Thrones book also predates Skyrim Drive Prometheus all of John Wick Saints Row the third hotline Miami every supergiant game faster than light the term walking simulator the third-ass Creed and Far Cry games they call him the mountain that never writes cheers from Joe just write the book you old man and last but not least before we get out of here dear Willie Pat and Pat's petting zoo
Starting point is 03:51:11 yeah it's kind of getting to zoo like out here in podcast 81 will he posed a question about whether people playing MMOs ever miss being a random guy in a big world this question comes from Pat from Poland actually but a big character random guy in a big world if their character is now written as a powerful big dick superhero I thought I chime in since World of Warcraft which you've talked about has exactly that problem at least according to a large part of its player base when Pat mentioned wow it seemed that he talked about the context of old expansions where indeed you were a random adventurer whose job was to establish their identity gradually and have more of an impact on the world through your heroic deeds I thought I stopped playing halfway through
Starting point is 03:52:04 let's get the newer expansions however your characters been through so much already that they're one of the major movers and shakers of the wow universe a lot of older players really missed the feeling of awe they got from exploring the world for the first time as a grunt with no backstory it had a charm to it do that you can't pick you can't change that if you're if your story is gonna have you being a dude you have to stay a dude if your story is gonna portray your character as a guy then your characters to stay a guy they can't just go back to being a dude too late that's stupid it had a certain charm to it you don't feel like the path forward was set in stone and that you were part of some silly prophecy or overused plot armor that said the reason why
Starting point is 03:52:56 the random scrub approach has worked is probably due to the story not being the main focus of the game back then over time the above mentioned sense of freedom was traded for a more linear but also significantly quality significantly higher writing quality did I say the most confusing thing in the world I get what you're trying to say I get the yeah you're saying you don't change horses midstream what a okay let me let me try that again dude in my head is a generics nobody a dude is just some random person a guy is a person of note so what I actually meant to say is if you're gonna start off as a generic nobody who is not a mover and shaker and it's just a random person like it used to be in almost all old MMOs it then becomes bizarre for that person to become one of the
Starting point is 03:53:55 larger movers and shakers and a personified or important person meanwhile if your character starts off as a definitive or important person in a story it then becomes super bizarre for to downgrade them into a nobody or an unknown yeah dudes can't just become guys yeah yeah that's so it's one person points out and this is the crux of it all guys were dudes at one point and no that is not true like I'll take FF 14 for example you are a dude in 14 for approximately one hour before you become the guy in this context how do you feel about the modern open world games like Tsushima or Horizon do they ever give you that oh wow this is a living breathing world and I get to do what I want thing or is it mostly a linear game with tons of fluff albeit blue beautiful fluff I have never played
Starting point is 03:55:09 one of those open world games and thought it was like a living world ever yeah I you play too many you can definitely see the seams unfortunately that magic was lost a long time ago I think I felt that during oblivion for maybe two hours so for me I think because because people were like going about their business kind of thing no I think I want to say like testing just cause on the fucking Xbox was what was like one of these early ass like giant map none of it's real you see how the sausage is made immediately you know but to answer the question though yeah personally I just don't like what I see too much of so too much of the big strong heroic heroic you know chosen one means I want more boring regular people participating in a world that other people are a part of
Starting point is 03:56:17 but I know that that's not everybody and I know that that doesn't sell copies because what sells games is a power fantasy and the fastest way to to reach that power fantasy without too many contrivances is for you to be really special and really strong compared to everyone else in the setting now there are a couple games that there's a there's genres of games that don't do this right so like everything east of France doesn't do this okay all the rpgs from Germany eastward have you be some fucking bro but by the end of the story are you not the bro who did it you're usually you you happened to be the bro yeah yeah and that's less than and that's fine exactly that's fine because you just happened
Starting point is 03:57:13 you you fell into that role totally you were capable maybe although what about garylt that's true garylt is the uber bro but he's garylt is totally the guy he's the ultimate guy in garylt's fiction he might as well be superman like so that's the least nobody ever he is one of the most famous nobody's around if that makes any sense like even in the witcher book series like he's he's he's you know you know bumping elbows the royalty and all that shit people like oh is that girl guy but no i think that if my wife if there were more games if there are more games where people were like not special then people would just get bored and not buy them yeah garylt is explicit explicitly super special but the way
Starting point is 03:58:13 they get around it is that everyone is racism to him and that sucks that's sad how about when um some random dude like becomes the guy that happened to make it and then in the sequel it turns out that that guy was more than just the dude he was actually a fucking super super duper dude that's the worst i kind of feel like as an outsider that's what resident evil is oh i feel like resident evil is the story of some randos stuck in a setting and as the sequels come out they become superheroes so that's only because you didn't read the manual for resident evil one in resident evil one they describe the military background of chris and jill and barry and all that and it is it is that okay woolly resident evil character's capability background
Starting point is 03:59:24 is the job experience equivalent of siegfried's weight in soul caliber in that it is nonsensical and makes no sense they were super soldiers from the jump fucking chris redfield was a god damn like fighter pilot at the age of like 15 interesting and yeah and yeah fucking leon is a rookie cop that's fine but it starts with chris as player one chris is is the most ridiculous character ever he started as like a gi joe okay interesting i had no idea why in re one they're all wearing like military fatigue yeah but i just assumed they were just part of that squad you know they're part of stars whatever like it's a unit yeah you know what stars is woolly special stars is a fucking paramilitary
Starting point is 04:00:20 super swat for terrorist attacks on a city of a hundred thousand people in the middle of the american midwest okay okay okay but but it's the it's the equivalent of the fucking gang of predator fucking here to protect boys idaho from international incidents dingo is a member of fucking six right and what in rainbow six okay your main guy dingo your main guy your main character he's sure and and like he's part of an elite team but like he's kind of just a guy he's he's you know what i mean like he doesn't go on to but it's a tom clancy but like i i interpreted it as a similar situation where it's like there's a there's a special team but these are not fucking bold or punching superheroes you know uh woolly in in residential
Starting point is 04:01:22 one rebecca chambers is 20 and she has like a medical phd wow okay okay like that series started with freakazoid gi joe superheroes fair enough fair enough like re2 toned it way down oh she's 18 sorry she's 18 she has a phd okay um people are confused i'm talking about dingo chavez the uh domingo chavez the the main character of the red from vegas it's from the book okay from the book rainbow six there's books about tom clancy games i'm talking about the main character of the book rainbow six what domingo chavez all right aka dingo or is it ding ding excuse me i'm sorry i i gotta say that i want to give a fucking golf clap to ubisoft for successfully getting me to ask that question legitimately like when you said the book rainbow six i did get
Starting point is 04:02:40 confused for a second fucking good job ubisoft good job you have successfully stolen tom clancy's life from him basically and you've replaced it with hawks it's always the same one we always box it's so bad goodbye everybody if i'm not funny some very very sweet music you're looking at every joe in the ring you're muster praising the every every thing i want i feel it i'm looking at the show oh on the is it
Starting point is 04:04:40 golden the you go isn't me You're back in my pocket on the show

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