Castle Super Beast - CSB 118: Avoid The Dragon Gaze

Starting point is 00:00:00 Zzinga Hello, good morning. Good afternoon everyone. I fuck that up every single week now It's warning somewhere, right Mm-hmm. Is that how I get out of it? Somewhere out there. It's the morning. Oh Oh I'm having a great day. I just got some illegal butterfingers. Why are they illegal? Because FF 14 is running a promotion. That's like, hey, dude, do you want some hideous ass ugly-looking?

Starting point is 00:01:12 Mount that's like a regular stupid animal, but it's a chocolate bar Fucking go buy a butterfingers, but Only in the US So like a buddy of mine, I've mentioned him before my buddy Valor I call him cool lightning because his character looks like a jackass You just walked into a fucking store and goes and buys like 20 butterfingers And he's like, yes, I need different receipts for all of these please So that he can give him out to everybody he knows that lives in Canada

Starting point is 00:01:50 That's weird is the code you have to punch in is on the receipt Okay Those butterfingers are not for me, but I got them anyway. I'm gonna get that ugly mount. I swear to God so Yeah, I guess I I am first dose vaccinated and Ray, how's your reception? Pretty pretty good so far

Starting point is 00:02:18 You know a lot of people talk about arm numbness and then like a wave of like bad Vibes a wave of bad bad feelings bad things But all of the time that hasn't happened. I Pretty much just have some like shoulder like ache mild so So far that's going all right You know, obviously keep an eye on it and stuff, but Yeah, no, that's feels good happy about that

Starting point is 00:02:52 And I have to be blunt. Well, you kind of sound like shit Okay, well, yeah, no, I guess that's that's Like are you are you not well? Are you are you poorly slept? I've had a Not great couple of days, I think but you know Yeah All things considered I'm okay

Starting point is 00:03:26 I'm here So what's up? Not much scheduled for four months from now to get the next one and I wish it wasn't like that But that's the way it be What I believe is happening here is that they're going to Go for as broad coverage as possible as opposed to locking people down Yeah, and I think the people that made that decision were doing it on the basis of more coverage is better as opposed to

Starting point is 00:04:02 Yeah, you know because because because I wasn't too sure what it initially was announced about like how the dosages were going to be Handled but it seems like since it's effectively like your second dose is the same as someone else's first dose so if we can get people up to you know that high percentage of Protection initially then it's like they're gonna try to go for that type of coverage more so than for Going for the doubling down faster I mean from a macro perspective, I totally get it Yeah from a guy looking at the spreadsheets. Yeah, and going we have X amount of shots. I totally get it But I bet if you asked like the average person, they would have been like nah, nah

Starting point is 00:04:46 Just tell me that when I'm I get them right away and I'll be clear. Yeah But no instead they're going with that route and again exactly it's like you get it, you know but it just it though it is like four months is a long time and You know, you don't really get to choose September's gonna be fun. Woo. Yeah, you don't really get to choose a full-on You don't get to choose your your second date. They just kind of hand it to you and it's like yeah, you better be free, you know, so That's how that goes. It's it's kind of important. Yeah

Starting point is 00:05:22 Um, yeah, no, I've had a pretty anxiety-ridden a couple of days and and and you know I'm not feeling super great and I Guess I you know, I didn't realize the extent of the fuck up with Final Fantasy 14 talking about so You know, let's let's talk about it. I guess I I What happened pretty much did not think and I was probably just

Starting point is 00:05:54 You know the the we did the two streams and I think yeah, I just fucked up by reading off some of the message spoilers for what was coming up on the quests and then I Think what happened was I basically Had been doing the first stream and then we did the second one and in both cases like I was getting a lot of Messages about like stuff we missed on near and stuff and then like so when I got to that because the whole time I had been just like Not up to I just I was in the vibe of like, oh, I don't know anything about this Everyone else knows everything so I'm just catching up to where everyone else is and I just wasn't thinking So then when that last mess like as I had gotten the the previous two

Starting point is 00:06:38 Full collection of messages and when that last one came in that included stuff that wasn't out yet I was just not thinking and I was just in the frame of like, oh well Everybody already knows everything about this stuff and I'm the one that's catching up here So then I just hit that point and then when even one, you know, they think people were like, oh, yeah, these were leaked out You know when I was first started going down that list it was kind of like yeah, again, I just wasn't thinking I wasn't I wasn't Internalizing that like, you know, I for some reason I was like, oh, maybe like everybody already knows this stuff or I don't know But yeah, that's that's kind of what happened

Starting point is 00:07:13 So I have like a I have like a genuine single word for that and that it makes it like contextualize it's for me in terms of like Understanding and it's over corrected like I can definitely understand the intention You just you just leapfrogged it a little bit That being said, I really have to say it totally happens, dude Like I think I think a lot of people Expected me to come in with like a manifesto or something to blow you up like no it totally happens You totally actually accidentally spoil shit sometimes without thinking. Yeah, it's a realistic

Starting point is 00:07:55 Totally normal thing and no Willie. Look at look at my eyeballs. It's a totally realistic Normal thing that no one should be mad about because it totally happens and Yeah, and I You know, I definitely Untold you like you texted me. I didn't even I didn't realize like oh shit There's a you know potential risk here with like men's accountant Unfortunately, he was fine and like it seems like he didn't know about that part of it either and we just kind of were like, whoa

Starting point is 00:08:27 What the hell that part I want to I want to grab ahold of because it's extra funny to me You're you are not crazy for not knowing that that is a thing Because basically Japanese media companies go crazy with that Meanwhile, there are World of Warcraft streams that are just like Here's we're gonna live data mine it with the model viewer And all that shit Like the giving a fuckness is on the total opposite ends of the spectrum For men

Starting point is 00:09:01 Men doesn't know what the rules are in that game. I think is a pretty obvious Thing to say men doesn't know How to comport himself and not get in trouble with the TOS in that game as has been Evidence by stories that he's told in the past Yeah, but on that stream actually but but but you know regardless of that like I you know It was my my fault for just going with the flow and not really thinking About what was happening and I mean Yeah, and I don't know I guess like

Starting point is 00:09:37 the All in all I was and I was it was I was really enjoying that that stream Especially, you know like the coming back around on it on this on the lore and and and the the deep dive into the shit That was going on and stuff and yeah I have a lot of things to say about my experience briefly putting my toe into FF 14 but I If I have to be perfectly honest like I had a pretty anxiety ridden couple of days because of

Starting point is 00:10:07 you know fucking up in the way that I did and It has been pretty rough and Yeah, I don't know. I I guess we can just talk about that or not. Whatever um In the I I there's honest. I'll be honest like all this spiraled out of control to a degree There's really only one thing. I actually want to talk to you about which is

Starting point is 00:10:35 It's a direct discussion of me knowing you for 20 years, right? Well, you've gone crazy with this spoiler avoidance thing The part where you're like I turned my brain off just in case That is a crazy person thing to do. Yeah, probably lost your mind probably I think That was whenever I like to just again to do the what I would take to give you my side of what I think goes on there is that there's a lot of times when Yeah, I think it's like if I know that I'm probably never gonna dive into this thing then like we can just I could just be like Hey, what about this part of it or that part of it and right go full on in but like the follow-up questions

Starting point is 00:11:20 I'm not gonna ask them if I'm like, oh, but like what if I actually go take a look at this thing, right? And I remember at the point that Min suggested. Hey, we you I can come over and do this Are you down that I kind of was thinking like oh, okay? So that would be one way of consuming that and I remember you had mentioned the other thing was that you had your playlist You know, but like Min had already proposed this idea and I was like, oh, yeah, that sounds cool Well, woolly woolly. Hold on. Let's be really clear in August of 2019. Yeah, I proposed this idea. Yeah. Yeah, that was a whole thing that came up But I just mean to say that like I'm saying it's my idea. I want I want credit you get credit you get the credit. Yeah

Starting point is 00:12:06 It was me and so yeah, I think that that just that's kind of the case and There's been times where I know that like I'd be like, oh, I wish you talked around something a little bit more just you know, but like I Think I would just be like, okay. Well If it's a if it's something I'm gonna learn through doing anyway or whatever the case is then like overall I'll get like your sentiment About what you're saying on things like that. But yeah, there are times when I'm like, man I wish I could like not know this part or something. But yeah, I think perhaps I've been nuts about that side of things and I think I

Starting point is 00:12:44 Don't know. I remember my sense of many years ago You refusing to play MGS3 because you couldn't get your red box Well, I wanted that. I wanted that box. I did I literally brought the my copy to school and said hey take it and you were like, no, I want my red box I did want my red box. I remember that. But yeah, I think it's I think I don't know I have enjoyed things significantly less by knowing what's about to come so I've just been like a bit wary of that and and I don't like communicates. I don't like causing that for other people if I can avoid it

Starting point is 00:13:23 But that being said, yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna ever Bring up or bug anyone about spoiler things ever again. I'm just going to Put them out there for warnings about whatever I talk about and if I if anyone else is doing their thing If you're doing your thing, then I'm just gonna lay off the topic and that'll be that Okay, whatever, I just I just wanted to point out that woolly You're you get to live your life knowing that you're just as crazy as I am on slightly different topics Welcome to my world sure sure I Have a theory with no way to prove it, but I suspect

Starting point is 00:14:14 that If we were to grab not anybody, but if we were to grab anyone that's currently listening to this Right now. Uh-huh. Yeah, and put them in front of the microphone for as long That we would feel similarly about learning as much about them over time too because I think everybody Has things that just don't make sense to the most of the majority of other people Just I think that's a thing Tweet yesterday, I think it will buy buttons though. He's not buttons, but he's buttons to me That was like if a content creator is doing their job for a long enough period of time

Starting point is 00:14:56 Everyone just starts to believe they're the stupidest person in the world Because you get to know all of the stupid shit that yeah, that's a really good way of Saying what I just attempted to That's a good way of putting it It's like oh, no that like you you think when you get to know somebody what you would get is like Ah the highs and lows, but the highs are all in front mm-hmm All the all the good shit is your front facing forward

Starting point is 00:15:26 And then you get to the then you get to know them for you know three years, and you're like what do you mean? You won't eat your peas if they touched the mashed potatoes. What do you mean? They're tainted my actual sister mm-hmm that that is a real thing Yeah what's pretty unpleasant is That like I don't know there's a there's a difference in how people like come at you over things and You can just kind of tell even though you don't really have like voice or facial expressions to read And you know no one's typing slash s all the time, but

Starting point is 00:16:10 There are times when people are coming at you with a quick question before we move on Because I feel stupid. What is slash s? I've seen it. I don't know what sarcasm sarcasm. Okay. Thank you. Yeah Yeah, no anyway, whatever No, no need to long wind it but just I felt as if like some people that have like despised me for a long time Decided to take the opportunity to like be really Agro. Oh, yeah, and I was like wow. Yeah, you see that you got your shot comments and

Starting point is 00:16:47 You see like a bunch of kind of mean ones and you see like 30 in a row that were all deleted and you're like, oh, man Yeah, you that must have been fucking for real Um But yeah FF 14 I guess is the big subject and Now that you've actually gotten physical net I Hope I'm not teasing you too much

Starting point is 00:17:17 I am trying to hold it back because I know you've had a rough week, but I will say now that you've had I didn't watch your video Okay, oh you didn't know okay, so I don't know what the contents were. Oh It was me going you've lost your mind and being how could somebody who is So averse to spoilers and yada yada Laugh themselves to near vomiting over the Harry Potter drive-by on like three separate occasions Because that shit is funny is the answer But Yeah, no, that's that's pretty much it is mainly you laugh

Starting point is 00:17:59 It's mainly me laughing and being smug about how smart I got you What were you saying why I felt I needed to put it out there because I'm very smart you're a genius Yes, it's very super smart But now that Yoko Taro and God strapped you into a clockwork orange viewing machine and Made you look What do you think of the way that game actually?

Starting point is 00:18:26 Literally physically functions because you've described MMOs in the past, but you've always described it in the context of like You walking by your old roommates fucking PC and he was wow fiending. Yeah, cuz I mean he Really did play it every single day Oh, he was fiending and so like whenever I had to talk to him about anything it was while watching his Torin do runs in Blood song that's a good pitch

Starting point is 00:19:00 Or something. Oh god. Oh, no. Oh No He was extra crazy. He was a PvP player Those people have something wrong with them so um That's not just mm that but that's not like the beginning of my MMO experience though. It just that's where a lot of wow happen like observing took place Yeah, I talked about it during the stream

Starting point is 00:19:33 itself, but like the fact that enemies flinch I think is something that I find pretty good. I like it in A black desert and I like it in in this when you're at least when you're fighting trash mobs, right? Yeah It's it's interesting because like it's they don't flinch much But it's but it makes a difference. It helps to make it. It may helps to make it Look more than like you hitting a 3d model that has been placed there Yeah, and I saw someone say like

Starting point is 00:20:09 The problem is dude don't think about everything as like an action or single-player game this is a different version of ATB effectively and Yeah, and I'm like our combat particularly 14s is the kind of yeah, and it's just it's 3d and there's movement involved but it's still that sort of thing happening and I do understand that but it doesn't change the fact that like These little things are just preferences I have and I'm gonna miss them if I notice that you're swinging at something that doesn't care you're swinging at it It's just I don't know. It's it's a weird little thing, but it's there There there are on occasion the very rare situation where you'll have to pot you'll have to throw out an interrupt and

Starting point is 00:20:52 By have to I mean you usually like if it's if there's an interruptable coming out You will have to interrupt it or the world will be over and you'll see like a more Pronounced flinch, but it's still nothing compared to like a counter hit and even the most basic action game But it doesn't feel anywhere near as bad as a multiplayer game where neither of you are reacting to each other, right? Think about how silly and dumb that is when you're just standing swinging and neither of you cares about the and you just and then one of You drops dead first and I'm like, yeah, I guess. Did you you'd never played monster hunter? before world right so

Starting point is 00:21:38 Monster hunter before world had a really It was a baby problem like didn't didn't matter wasn't a big deal But it was visually horrifying and it was that the smaller animals were not synced between clients So you would see me run forward and slash at nothing and then a deer 10 feet away would fall over and oh jeez It looked really bad. It's probably The worst implementation of anything like that. I have ever seen in my life So 14 has that Going for it and when something is big enough. You don't expect to see it flinch really, you know

Starting point is 00:22:23 They anything that is like a what do you call it? anything that's like a Certain size or below will flinch including some bosses But the ones that you see in the near raid because like the the 24 man's tend to have bosses that have to be physically Gigantic because you need to have room for 24 people to smack on them Right, so the ones that are like us there the semi circle of the target is coming halfway into the whole arena Yeah, those ones aren't gonna flinch but anything that's like a movable Targetable thing does have a flinch effect

Starting point is 00:23:02 Even even bigger ones like there's a berserker in one of the dungeons. That's pretty big and he also flinches on hit Yeah, I think You know but like and not just like and like if you were to go outside of the the genre again like when you're fighting Goliath and you know DMC 5 you're not expecting big flinches until you do something that matters Right like the size kind of sells the the tanking of your hits and such but But that that stuff aside You had the Yeah, the way that an actual like large group of people has to play a game together was something that like I

Starting point is 00:23:47 Yeah, I just you know, I didn't really I didn't know what I what to expect and then seeing how it came down to like almost rhythm game like Pattern recognition and movement where it's like again a lot of guaranteed damage is coming your way Whereas in other genres you're trying to not ever get touched and beat it perfectly here It's like no you have to mitigate what you're going to take and you're never going to avoid everything, you know Yeah, there's basically your your two types of damage for your every encounter is the shit That's coming out that you can avoid which is everything that has an aoe marker or in harder content stuff That has a invisible aoe marker like you know, it would be there in the normal version of the fight, but it's just not

Starting point is 00:24:34 Shown to be harder and then there's stuff that like the boss is just gonna cast something that hits every single fucking person in the raid with 30% of their life and You're gonna want your scholar to shield it. You're gonna want regen on you're gonna want mitigation from your tanks and And you're gonna want everybody there to know what it what each symbol means So here's Here's my favorite part because I because now that because I knew you were looking at a list solid escape you of symbols correct and

Starting point is 00:25:10 You don't need to know any of those for this discussion What you did need to know was that I assume the list he gave you was enormous It was a giant list of the different types and at some of them it would say they look It's it's here's a bunch of stuff that look like an eyeball if you see something that looks like an eyeball turn around You know, yes, that's gays which would always throw page for a loop because I'd be Rating and I would just yell out gays avoid the gays and She would pop her head up and go what is like, you know, honey, it's it's dragons gays. Don't worry about it There's a lot of those indicators

Starting point is 00:25:54 there's a huge amount and One of the funniest things that ever happened in the history of that game was that in the 2.0 series They are not standardized at all Every single Different boss had a different icon for like the same mechanic So like this boss had this icon for stack and this boss had this icon for stack and it was a total fucking mess And then they standardized them from heaven's word onwards. So this is stacked. This is earth shakers. This is piratik this is yada yada and

Starting point is 00:26:31 Like you staring at that You would be surprised at how much of the difficulty of any particular encounter is literally do you know what? Piratik means at all. No, like I'm playing the game at all. Sorry. I'm playing the game often and we'll go in the random parties and A flame effect flies across the whole screen. That's piratik. You'll see a flame effect like like a fire You know animation go across the whole screen and you will get a ticker that says piratik in the upper right and Piratik means don't move. Oh, yes, you will take a huge tick of dance saw that on the list. Yeah. Yeah, right and You get to 80 and you're doing like a dungeon boss and the dungeon boss has piratik And this is a mechanic that has been around for six and a half years and

Starting point is 00:27:23 has been consistent the whole time and You had to see it to get here Mm-hmm, and you see it go off and the person just instantly dies because they jumped or they moved I saw that or I saw the description of it, which is the stack marker People get the stack marker and they just run away and it's like it's four arrows together in words. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah stack up stack up stack up I saw the Piratik descriptors say that like yeah, don't move casting animations count as not movement

Starting point is 00:28:01 jumping is movement and Also ice on the floor will sometimes Be a thing to where you start moving all over the place or something like that and it's not instead of damage You get thrown off the the arena or something like that. Yeah, and then there's a second ice one, which is you must move, okay? Um right and so like there's a recent ex-trial that he'll be casting either piratik or the the the Demand movement blizzard actually forget the name of it, but and you'll have to you have to react to it on like, you know You know a few second timer. Yeah, so this what amounts to a looking at the floor

Starting point is 00:28:42 Rhythm and shmup 40 player game or 24 player game or eight player game is pretty cool I like the I like that, you know, again like everyone is Coordinating in that way and there's different things that you know, you have to kind of yeah be aware of and that's that's the part of it that takes replaying and and and you know mastery Playing it for the first time Going through it. It was rather like oh you you don't get to look at anything because you have to stare at the floor So no, I disagree That is per player

Starting point is 00:29:22 You do have to look to the floor to a certain degree But you you also have plenty of time to look at at what's going on in fact, there's a bunch of encounters in which like Markers will appear on the sides or you'll have to be watching like boss animations in which you you must be looking Okay, like one of the more interesting things about the Rathalos fight that they brought in as a crossover Was the Rathalos doesn't have any markers at all. Oh Wow, the Rathalos will do his tail swipe and it's like if he starts the tail swipe and you're in this vicinity You'll get knocked over

Starting point is 00:30:01 Because it's a monster hunter boss, but I uh, I Understand why Min was looking at the floor so much though. Oh, yeah, that's where the information is being conveyed to you You know, yeah There was a a friend of feels and KZ that was talking about how they recently ran through Some of the earlier raids in the game the 24 man's at the beginning of the game We're now like such a hilarious joke that you get in there and everyone's running it so quickly that you're like I didn't get to do anything. I didn't get to see anything right and

Starting point is 00:30:36 part of that is that because You are incentivized to look at the floor despite the fact that there's a visual You know, there's there's stuff happening around That's kind of okay because you're gonna be running these multiple times it is extraordinarily uncommon For somebody to run like the the near raids that you saw Once and then be done with it. Mm-hmm at the very least you're probably gonna want to run it

Starting point is 00:31:05 I Five times in order to get the head the arms the chest the legs and the feet every right character for a look or You could run it 17 times if you want to get the upgrade material that Let's you skip some of the savage fights to upgrade your gear But and and you're gonna be looking to these 20 times each and in no no problem in Nier's case You also get to walk back through it, right and and and take in at least the environment part of it. So

Starting point is 00:31:38 Yeah, it's it's definitely, you know, not that bad, but There were certainly were times where it was like Like wait, what was that attack and it was like, ah, who knows but we avoided it, you know It's it's an interesting dilemma because it's the situation Where the worst you are at it the more you'll get to appreciate all the animations Okay, sure because you'll fail because you're not right right and so each of those five times you're going through it You're getting you're getting these parts of these characters who? Like are just walking mannequins in a mall showing off what you can wear

Starting point is 00:32:20 That are not actually like I've I've I'm sick of emerald weapons animations I Don't care about them anymore. I've cleared emerald 90 times. Hold on a second There's some mic issues going on. Let me try to fix this. Let me see what's going on there apparently there's some Mic static one second. Oh while you do that. I'm gonna see what the dog is doing All right, so we've taken care of that issue and oh is he okay, all right, I was I'm just Have a conversation with dog ass

Starting point is 00:32:59 See if we can get anything going. What's the difference? What's the difference you got there first? Yeah, I got you I got me Pop farts and chewy in the morning did You know what's one of the the more interesting things you're describing like the rhythm game and the placement aspect of it Yeah, well a rhythm. I mean not really rhythm. I suppose but just yeah, like like there's there's Bullet dodging and just pattern movement recognition. Whatever you want to call it, you know I'm sure there's a better genre and then there's then there's like hey, man You know that giant magical protective bubble that everyone's standing in

Starting point is 00:33:46 Mm-hmm. Stand in it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Stand in it or you will die Honestly if I had to like ironically enough like I know the the the trend of fighting game analogies is as like hit a peak absurdity But did men ever talk to you about the rotation? Yes, so Um hitting doing your rotation is mandatory. It's how you fight effectively It's how you stay in and do the correct amount of damage by doing all of your spells in a particular order as one cools down You allow the next one to Go and then by the time you're through the last one the next one the first one comes back up and that's how you stay consistent on your damage and

Starting point is 00:34:35 It's unnecessary fighting against random random trash things in the world, but Against the boss you want to stay in and do it as long as possible Until the last moment where you have to do your defensive maneuver is what I understood of it. Yeah, the the the differences is like night and day. It's like 94 percent Like if you were to run it like because you can you can just like sit there and watch you're like, why is this so slow? And then you like you can look at like somebody's cast bar and you're like this motherfucker is just casting jolt Over and over It's a it's a difference between like

Starting point is 00:35:17 Like five percent and one hundred percent right and and I uh, I mean that idea of just like, you know Properly clicking on things to maximize your your time any any rts or game with a A you know, you click on a thing and it's got a cooldown training unit ready training unit ready, you know, like you you Find ways to optimize that you click on one base while that's building you go to the other and so yeah The idea is is one that makes sense. I guess you have to have um It seems like everyone has a ton of abilities and you will always I guess want to be working with enough so that you

Starting point is 00:35:59 Will come back to your first one by the time you finish your last one It depends. I mean it depends on how fast everybody has a different rotation It's one of the more interesting things like as somebody who's played every cap to class or every class to cap Like they all function very differently. Like you have something like dancer, which does not have a rotation Um dancer is all prox you you do ability one And it will always proc ability two, but there's only a 50 chance It'll proc ability three and ability two will have a 50 percent chance to proc ability four But two and four where all the good damage comes from

Starting point is 00:36:40 And two and four have a 50 percent chance each of proxing ability five, which is at the fan And what if a what if any of these fail? Then you do it again and do it again and over a length of time it will even itself out And there is one of your cooldown buttons on 60 seconds or maybe it's a hundred and twenty don't play dancer that often Is proc everything on the bar, but no one blames you if it fails No Because it's built into the character that there's a chance you there are like four or five classes that all work off prox like bard

Starting point is 00:37:17 old machinist dancer uh Certain black mage stuff like you're you have to keep your eye on a swivel to see The the proc go off Whether or not and then you also have a red mage of course is all prox, but then you have uh stuff like my character I play a dark knight Nothing ever changes ever Like my my my my rotation is a straight line

Starting point is 00:37:44 And it is don't deviate from it ever how many things usually How many things before you loop back around how many uh, oh it's on a one hundred and twenty second Loop no, I mean how many steps to the rotation Oh, uh, I You know, it's really weird I can't tell you unless i'm holding a controller Really

Starting point is 00:38:16 Okay I literally can't tell you uh, it's power slash then Dark slash then siphon strike then salted earth then blood letter Then

Starting point is 00:38:38 Well, you have to start with a blood weapon so then you'll have your 50 after blood letter and then you do Uh living shadow And then you have to do delirium and you have to do it living shadow and then delirium because delirium lasts for 10 seconds And if you hit it too early, then your cooldown won't rotate around For the fifth one. It's a it's a whole fucking so over five or six things Oh way more. Okay. Yeah Way way more Um the like they they range in complexity from dancer

Starting point is 00:39:11 Which is almost nothing to the summoner rotation Which I will you know what I'll just grab a photo of it Uh, because you can visualize these rotations Well, I'm thinking of the 12 shortcut buttons minhad on display Uh for all the things he was going to cast And yeah, so the the way that min has it is like there's two different ways to do it You have the the 16 buttons, right? Which is d-pad and then four buttons and then left trigger right trigger

Starting point is 00:39:47 And then you have uh, he was using right bumper to switch to a second one, right? What you can also do is have it so that if you hold left trigger you get the left ones if you hold right trigger You get the right ones However, if you hold left trigger then right trigger you get the left ones on the second one And if you hold right trigger then left trigger You get the right one so you get the ones on the second one on the right And if you double tap left you get the third set on the left and if you double tap right you get the third set on the right You have up to

Starting point is 00:40:20 Six sets I I use six sets of eight. Wow Okay Now the the ones on the double taps are shit like mounts Rare items Limit break stuff that you will never ever ever have to put into your rotation But uh, there's a reason why I put out a a tutorial guide a long time ago That was how to play this game on a controller

Starting point is 00:40:50 and he used a couple classes as as a As examples and the thing that I was basically talking about movement you're moving all the time, right? And the last thing that you want to do is have to be moving and then hit the d-pad on one of your skills So you want to hit you want to put your buttons that would actually be buttons For movement so you look at your rotation learn the rotation Then build your control layout around the realities of actually needing that Okay, I suppose it's not that crazy if you just think about all of those actions as um

Starting point is 00:41:34 switch to uh Switch to beowulf and press down up You know attack or switch ironically enough switch the style and do input Despite the uh The control it's a move list shenanigans like I'm I'm going to send you a photo of the summoner rotation Which you may be confused because it's a big circle

Starting point is 00:42:05 Okay, so I'm looking at a picture here and Dread worm trance into bahamut phase into Filler phase one run three priority run for optimization Uh firebird trance phase and then filler phase two run three priority run ruin for optimization Oh, that's actually yeah, no, I get it. Um, that's right. That's like a marble combo. So that's in that Yeah

Starting point is 00:42:38 You want to be like you want to be doing this and then when that's over you want to switch into this And with summoner it's the the you have to build up the next phase with prox to get the next one So you can't just go into phoenix. You have to you have to set up phoenix with the bahamut thing and all that shit Now meet like like dumb joke dumb woolly fucking fighting game conversion aside. It literally is actually works really well It actually is like that though. Yeah, that's the thing right and then there's a filler point and then there's okay Take your wall bounce. All right begin filler phase two Exactly, exactly. Yes, totally. I got it. Now. Here's where it gets a little more complicated because the second thing I'm sending you is what's called your opener

Starting point is 00:43:20 so Your opener is your idealized rotation. It is what you're going to be doing in the first 60 to 120 seconds Of the fight cast two things as a pre pull It is to the millisecond. It is you're doing this this this and then the ones on the bottom Are hit this and then in between the next two hit this this and then this will cool down by that point in time And then you and at the bottom of that you see all those lines Yeah

Starting point is 00:43:53 What that is is the timeline of every other classes buffs So you notice there's a there's a point where the the every single buff lines up And they're all overlapping Over on the top of that in that rotation is where all of the strongest hits from the summoner's rotation are Because it's guaranteed to be simultaneous To trick attack to battle litany and so all these things have multiplicative effect So this exact pattern with these classes is optimal damage essentially Yeah, so then you get really bizarre optimization shit

Starting point is 00:44:33 Where people go Listen, we don't want ninjas. Sorry. We don't want red mages We need a ninja because we need trick attack Because trick attack every 60 seconds is a 5% damage buff and it lines up with everybody else's rotation So like for the longest time it was this weird thing where trick attack was a 10 percent damage buff to everybody It was like a it was actually a damage up on the boss So you didn't have to apply it to anybody else and it was every 60 seconds So every rotation in the game

Starting point is 00:45:06 gets Created alongside. Well, you want the big hits to be within the 50 to 72nd window Because you want them to all line up with trick Which makes ninjas totally invaluable So and then they finally nerfed it a couple months ago. So classes that are primarily support are going to be buffing on a rotation and uh

Starting point is 00:45:30 healers I guess are Just focusing on whoever's low and when everyone's up doing other support things And yeah, because I mean it converts it like it makes the most sense when you're talking about someone who's doing damage Because it's like here's a bunch of things you click on to do damage in a sequence But when you get into things that are less direct in that way it starts to become a little bit, uh, I guess less obvious So here's where it gets gets weird and here's where like there's the philosophy of it or whatever um

Starting point is 00:46:04 The the best defense is a good offense is something that applies pretty Significantly to mmo's and it applies to fighters as well. If you create a touch of death combo You don't need to worry about your fundamentals as much because if you touch them, they're dead Right the longer like there are phases of bosses that don't exist if you get to do enough damage Right. Yeah, it's skull god had to slow down just to let uh To let some extra phases show right So you've got

Starting point is 00:46:36 Tank tanks should be doing as much damage as possible. The only difference is they're going to be pointing the boss Where it needs to be and mitigating so that they don't die Instantly when tank busters come in DPS They get to just go crazy As hard as they can But also they'll be managing all side mechanics All like you have to drop the puddle over here or else everyone's going to die You need to both of you run to the sides and touch this and then touch each other or what have you

Starting point is 00:47:05 But you mentioned that the there are DPS that do have buff abilities They should be using those buff abilities For their own rotation and for the party rotation, which means follow the rotation down to the second like it's super exact Right if you want to be perfectly optimal and then healers is the most interesting Because there's a huge argument and this is the number one time that you don't pay my sub comes through Healers have 85 90 of their buttons do heals And maybe three or four of their buttons do damage And you go well, I play healer

Starting point is 00:47:44 I shouldn't have to do damage right You don't have to but If you're a good healer, you're actually going to be just standing there doing actually nothing For like 60 percent or more of the fight. Yeah Shoutouts to mothman's mercy back in the overwatch days He'd pull the gun out and start shooting get in there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah

Starting point is 00:48:15 Both healers combined add up to another DPS in terms of damage If they're if they're hitting their buttons It's a lot. It's way faster and the meta for healers then becomes About over healing it becomes every point of health that you heal somebody Over their maximum is wasted Okay, yeah So you actually want as you increase in skill you want health bars to sit lower and lower and lower So that you get because if they are alive

Starting point is 00:48:51 Who cares what health they are? And you can get them back up as long as they don't fuck up In the next x seconds. Yes. So when you're running a 24 man You tend to keep everybody topped up to maximum because you don't know or trust any of these people And if they die it takes a shit ton of your MP a lot of time and it puts a damage debuff on them Now what happens more often someone fucking up standing where in the wrong place or Someone only being able to get three parts per three

Starting point is 00:49:27 abilities off instead of four in each phrase Of the of the rotation for optimal play You always want to get that last one For 99.9 of all play including everything that i've ever done Get out of the fucking circle Like the the the one hit of damage that you're gonna do for i don't know 11 000 damage

Starting point is 00:49:55 Is nothing compared to the 10 debuff you're gonna get For the next two minutes If somebody has to pick you up off the floor, okay Like the the the risk-reward ratio Is enormous like you'll have people that are you know, they they have rotations that build up to like a gigantic hit Right and so like let's take uh, uh, I play samurai a little bit and samurai has a button that does like Stupid numbers like right now on on a crit. It'll do like 122 000 or some shit like that. It's fucking ridiculous And so like you have your your you see your cooldown going your 2.5 second global cooldown and you're like dude if I can wait just like

Starting point is 00:50:40 Half a second more. I could totally hit it uh It's almost never worth it because you're almost always gonna eat it. Okay, you're almost always gonna just die Yeah, I I mean so, you know shout outs to drafus frost for explaining to me a lot of the the rotation Um stuff because it was basically to he's like because basically uh solidus went hey just so that your eyes I used to raid with that guy. Yeah, so so just just so solidus was like just so your eyes don't glaze over Here's what the patterns and arrows and symbols mean and then uh drafus was like and and here's what min is doing at the same time

Starting point is 00:51:17 So these two things combined You understand what's happening in this room You know when the what the flashing lights? Yeah, because there's a lot. Mm-hmm. Um, though, um I guess you discuss and have a plan in advance for like who gets to use the uh lb3 To use the terminology. I mean there there's there's there's a certain philosophy to that Uh, and it's and it's a it's really simple. It's are you fighting alexander or WOL or any of these bosses That have a move that will just kill the party if you don't use the tank lb

Starting point is 00:52:00 Use it Right alexander builds the alexander fight There's a giant sequence where the giant robot just builds up builds up builds up for 15 seconds And literally counts down the second until they hit you and if you do anything other than use the lb for the tanks Y'all just die so it doesn't matter like it's it's it's required. Okay Every other situation is do you want to do more damage or do you want to save it just in case? There's a disastrous wipe and the healer can pick up everybody off the floor Hmm

Starting point is 00:52:35 But if you are all doing your job properly you can get it done faster by Right casting it because otherwise you're sitting on oh, we know Well, then you gotta know we know what we're doing and then use the the dragoon lb3 and then Uh, you get locked in place and the dragoon dies and then the person who's tried the summoner who tries to pick them off The floor doesn't move because rays takes 10 seconds and then they die and then The red mage tries to pick up the summoner and then they die and then all of a sudden uh-oh It's just cascading down But the uh-ohs are coming in later in the fight most of the time right

Starting point is 00:53:10 So you can use it immediately and at least let it build back up over the course of the fight You'll never get a second lb3. Oh Okay, and the healer one is the most valuable because the healer one is everybody's off the floor To full health like nothing ever happened In one second heroes never die Yeah, okay. Yeah, exactly. Uh, so like and this is where you get into Prague versus farm Which is

Starting point is 00:53:42 A fascinating class balance issue So like red mage doesn't do the most damage It doesn't it it does a little bit less damage than most of the other dps But it can raise people off the floor instantly It can it can it has a mechanic where it casts one spell with a normal cast time and then the second one's instant So you do something cast like cure that's just one second and then you do raise and it can raise people instantly So red mages aren't the best for when you're Hardcore super the best everyone's good. You don't need to res. Yeah on sunday

Starting point is 00:54:21 But when you're going into a new fight, they're fucking invaluable Because they let you recover from mistakes like that And every class lives somewhere on that that diagram Right people love to bring in white mages because white mages make mistakes go away The less mistakes you make keep mistakes from happening, right, right, right And then I get and your comfort with what role that is Is going to be dependent on class and desire and personality and you can do I assume the equivalent of like

Starting point is 00:54:58 A dive comp or something like that where you go minimal healing maximum Oh, absolutely. There are totally groups that would go into encounters. Uh, fucking one tank Six dps one healer, okay instead of two tanks and two healers and four dps And some fights that totally works because you're doing so much damage that the dangerous phase doesn't happen Mm-hmm Now that's not common

Starting point is 00:55:30 because if the there are bosses that like There are bosses you can skip the phase and they're bosses that when you hit a certain hp threshold They're like, no, we're doing this mechanic no matter how fucking fast your your bullshit is or not Or I guess your or your solo healer, I guess is like a maestro and doesn't even really need a second one because they're on top of it Oh, yeah solo like people who can solo heal excellently while also doing damage are the absolute best players 100% because The the healing has such a bizarre meta to it. Like I said earlier, which was uh

Starting point is 00:56:06 There's a binary state between living and dead Right and I saw somebody in the chat Uh put it even more succinctly, which was the only hp that matters is the last one. Yeah, right, right But after that there's mp because say you have a white mage white mage is have all these buttons that don't use any mp And aren't on the global cooldown so they can just use them whenever right All of their damage abilities are on the global cooldown So then it becomes how long can you keep everyone in here alive? Without using a single wasted damage slot

Starting point is 00:56:44 or a single mp Because every time you heal somebody with cure two that's a glare you weren't casting to damage the boss Okay, um Now the other thing too is I noticed that like uh tanks would be Direct targeted for periods of fights Right. Oh, yeah, and uh That is Um, I guess random

Starting point is 00:57:17 Depend no In the sense that like it'll pick between one of two people that have this job Or or whatever and focus on them for a period of time So there's two versions of that one is uh, so in the in the third near raid There's a part where all three tanks get circled by a red circle And uh, it means a tank buster is gonna hit all three of them. I remember that with the little uh thing above their heads Yeah, yeah, yeah, so on those it's every tank is gonna get hit by it, right? Uh, if only one tank is the one that gets hit by it, it will be the one that it has the highest aggro

Starting point is 00:57:58 So it'll be whoever's main tanking it. Um, there are however other mechanics highest aggro Yeah, it's called enmity in game. Basically tanks put on a stance that multiplies The damage the boss thinks they're being done to them so that they target them exclusively Okay the whole the whole point of tanking is you put on grit or uh, deliverance or shield oath or whatever And that designates you as the primary target as soon as you hit the boss because

Starting point is 00:58:35 It multiplies the enmity damage off your skills by like a hundred. It says To the it says to the in-game system. Oh man, this paladin is actually doing a million damage Focus on him and that allows you to drag the boss to Wherever you want it to go Yeah, but like I guess I'm just wondering why that because to me that seems like I get that seems binary where it's like Seems like a total given right one or the other. Why would it ever look away then? so This is a bizarreness that happened

Starting point is 00:59:09 Uh Basically, you have the reason why is because you go into fights with two tanks And if it was the tank itself caused the extra aggro, then how do you decide which of these two is the main? Right you need a toggle On one of them that determines. Hey, man. No, this is the one that's going to be main This is going to be the one that's off. Okay, and in addition to that you have the provoke ability which is for switching So there's a huge amount of almost every encounter in the game Has a tank buster, which is a super high damaging single target attack

Starting point is 00:59:46 That leaves a debuff on the tank that if they don't if they don't get the tanks Sorry, if they don't get the boss's attention off them the auto attacks will just kill them immediately afterwards. Okay So for example, I'm fighting diamond weapon. It builds up its tank buster My buddy Darius provokes He hits me with the tank buster and then because of the provoke the diamond just instantly turns on a dime towards Darius And now Darius and he switches over for the next two minutes. Right, right, right. Okay Yeah, um, I I mean, uh, I I developed uh, uh an under somewhat of an understanding and a respect for like that that

Starting point is 01:00:24 level of you know, um coordination in the group Uh, uh with each of those those fights. It was pretty cool to see um and uh, I mean outside of that aspect because afterwards, uh, uh the The group got together and was like, hey, let's show off nights of the round Before that, I just want to finish one thing with an iraq lineup fighting game analogy

Starting point is 01:00:53 The one that I was building up to which was the best way that I could describe the rotation and general gameplay is that you are in training mode Running infinite on a dummy. Mm-hmm while somebody in your vicinity is literally throwing objects at you For you to dodge Like somebody is throwing bananas at you or fucking can right Keep keep up. Keep up. Keep the rhythm up. Keep it up. Don't drop it. Yeah, don't drop it. Okay. Now you have to get away Okay, get back in there and if you get hit in the head with a can You're not gonna keep your fucking infinite up. Are you? Are there I'm trying to think if there's any souls bosses where

Starting point is 01:01:38 like I guess well phalanx is the closest thing, but not really. We're like all the other they're purely reacting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah okay, well like it's the difference between an active boss and um Like a boss in Final Fantasy is a is a fucking timed spreadsheet if you really break it down Like you can you can determine to the second every single thing well all raid bosses are that right? Yeah, yeah Okay, who invented the raid Who invented the raid? Yes, the large mmo. I want to say

Starting point is 01:02:11 I want to say ever quest Um But It's interesting to mention because raids across different games Share literally no similarity at all Even on a like mechanical or thematic or genre level Like raids in World of Warcraft in terms of Like movement complexity are like a baby's toy compared to 14

Starting point is 01:02:48 But what they have is a much much much much stronger gear check And a pre-fight buff check It's much more preparatory and less perform and less reactive. Yeah, okay. Okay Yeah, so like you'll get a situation where my buddies are playing classic and they're complaining Because the fucking raid leader is going well We got to spend the two hours running around the world getting world buffs So we can fucking clear anixia in a fucking record time and it's a miserable fucking experience Hmm

Starting point is 01:03:25 Um Yeah, no, I it's it's it's interesting to Get a a a grasp of that Even from just like a fucking super distant perspective Um, but it was cool It was cool. It was probably the coolest part of you know, uh that entire thing um The part where you're running around in the world and everyone's just fucking

Starting point is 01:03:59 Writing their three-headed Cerberus and spinning in circles and blocking the door And by the way, woolly. I I have to mention you've mentioned before The guy on the three-headed Cerberus is the guy who just bought me a butterfinger from the states Yeah, okay. All right Good good. We were sitting in discord Like laughing our asses off trying to get our giant mounts to block the door as big as we could I like but it's not just the door. It's the literal NPC quest giver standing next to the door You can't see him because everyone's big mounts are just

Starting point is 01:04:39 Clipping through each other and it's just like what the what the fuck is this man? So Two things actually about three things one is you're streaming You're streaming in a digital space that people can literally inhabit. Yeah So they're gonna go do it the second thing is there have been a couple mmo's that have had collision and you don't want to play one Oh having god having player collision Oh god, it like because you're thinking like this is annoying how people can overlap on top of your visuals. Yeah What if they just physically push you out of the way? Yeah. Yeah pools closed exactly. That's that's uh

Starting point is 01:05:22 Fucking have a hotel. Have a hotel. Mm-hmm. And the third one is uh, that is actually a fairly Uh, because you played the the third raid or you watched the third raid be played a couple weeks after it's if it's heyday After it's launch day the Tuesday of the release of a piece of content Is there are so many people here that when you turn the camera? People on the left side of the screen despawn so that people on the right side of the screen can load in Jesus christ And you get this part where you're having the most climactic thing that could ever happen And it's this tragic moment with your buddy alphano and you're like Hurt and you're sad and you're like alphano

Starting point is 01:06:04 Where are you? I can't There's a guy named ahigal mind break. Just put on top of you and he I can't click I keep clicking on his profile alph god damn it I mean at least they disappeared during the cut scenes But yeah, yeah, um, it's just it's that moment I had in Uh, automata where you know, um The we're uh, uh, I'm at the climax of one of the most emotional moments and emil's stupid car Is driving around in the background

Starting point is 01:06:40 Blasting his song and ruining everything. Oh man, that's perfect. You know, and you're like I just got bad luck Bad luck bad rng today, you know um Fucking hell man. It's that times a million It's extra weird and it's this isn't to go back to the old one to make fun of you But mmo's and spoilers and spoiler like realities Is probably the most complicated thing of any genre of game because The game is not in real time right, but

Starting point is 01:07:20 For a functional perspective things like literally occurred Right, so there's been an ongoing war inside that game that war has been ongoing for two real life years And people are walking around with gear from it And mounts from it and titles from it So the idea of like Shut up about uh, you know gimlet dark is Absurd because you you can't like it's there right

Starting point is 01:07:51 So it tends to be like Whatever the current patch is everybody shuts up But as soon as the the patch recedes into the background you start talking about it 4 is now like open To a degree because it happened. You still shouldn't go out of your way to be like Hey, did you hear about what happened? It was but you're gonna see people walking around with some shit. Yeah And every now and then The game itself Decides to fuck you

Starting point is 01:08:19 There was A title that you got for clearing the final dungeon in heaven's word And the name of the title in english only was blanks final witness Okay, and you logged in and it was the first thing you saw when you logged in is people running around with that And it was just like You guys are Stupid stupid idiots. Wow

Starting point is 01:08:52 Wow, there's another situation where The patch trailer decided to hide who the new boss was gonna be so everyone was interested and then Uh a buddy of mine started crafting and went oh cool. There's new crafting recipes and in the new crafting recipe It's the ornament that includes the item that comes from boss name Okay Or uh God, uh, I think I was somebody else was playing and they went to go play triple triad and the triple triad cards

Starting point is 01:09:28 Oh, Jesus christ. Yeah, that's what you're gonna do about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah for sure triple triad cards It's it's why there's such a weird, uh, uh, uh like push For when people start to like catch up As fast as they can Or suffer the consequences There's you know, you're you're safe until the next one It's it's a weird everything about mm. It's why I end up talking at length about them because everything about the culture of it Is fascinating because it's not real. So you could design a game where a lot of that is

Starting point is 01:10:02 um, perhaps You could create a game where you can turn on and off as much of that as you want. I imagine by using instances to control The you know what I mean like how much multiplayer versus how much single player or at the very least like Pseudo single player you're gonna you're getting um You know if you had to walk into a big old plot castle Where nothing but important conversations would happen and then walk back out

Starting point is 01:10:33 I would have no problem walking into an instance that was private to me of that castle Doing all my conversing and then walking back out into the real world That is most of that game That solution is what they do 90 of the time In fact, what you end up doing a lot of the time is you'll go so, uh In the near rate itself You would talk to people outside in the village where everyone was yucking it up

Starting point is 01:11:04 But then once you went into that one room It was always empty the only people in there were to be and konog and anon And that structure is how most of them go. There's a there's a centralized location called the rising stones Where like I want to say like the start and end of almost every patch for the past two years has taken place Where you walk in and it's a fully public area and then you cross the threshold And then it's a fully public area for in-game characters Such as hoary boulder and alphano and alize etc It's it's weird seeing how they have to scale up

Starting point is 01:11:44 Things like doors and stairs for giant groups of people when you're walking back through the near areas alone Oh, dude, uh, the the they they had some fun with that this expansion. So the by the way, uh, uh In plays a lot of fell and that's terrible The smallest possible experience. That's that's just awful. I have friends that play lot of fell and that's also terrible And uh, they should stop It's it's one of the most popular races in the game. But um, um, go die potatoes. All right Moving on from that, uh, they did have some fun with that in that You cannot enter any of the dwarf homes unless you are actually that small

Starting point is 01:12:27 Ah, interesting Okay um Yeah In the end, uh, we did a little character creator Try out just so I can put the Put the put the the system on trial and it's it's old It does what it's supposed to do, but it's pretty antiquated

Starting point is 01:12:48 In the end I I made a buff girl Yeah, surprise surprise. I could have told anybody you'd have gone for a female hellsguard rogadan Yeah, 100. Yeah, it's the same character. I play but I play a guy, but it was also like it was like That was But it's what it's the most obvious But like it's also the most obvious because like what other Like all like, you know close but not quite things like that are there not many Right. I I felt as if you you saw some of those races where it was like

Starting point is 01:13:22 Um, what was the one where it was like giant beast thing and then tiny little bikini You know and you're like, all right. Well, that's fine. I I guess if you Just want to go hard on the coward train don't allow it to Customize to the fullest fullest extent, but it was so like Monster hunter armor vibes and I was like you fucking You know, but it's but it's old. It's very old at this point So the I saw you guys messing around. I think it was the dragoon armor that you're talking about the dragoon armor has like a Like a visible belly on the female armor

Starting point is 01:13:57 Um, that's actually very uncommon With the gear in 14 Uh, as far as mmo's go like the gear is actually notably Much less sexually dimorphous than you would expect. Okay, and they have recently Removed a shit ton of restrictions on a gendered armor. Okay. So like dudes can wear the 2b outfit Cool. Okay, terrible. Sure. And does not give them the extra legs. It doesn't give the extra ass. No No, it does not but they can't

Starting point is 01:14:33 Cowards Still no the real cowardice is they put bunny girls in the game, but they won't put bunny boys. Sure Uh, it's still the the yeah the letting the armor look the same across the the gamut is is That's much better because I mean damn monster hunter doesn't even pretend to give a fuck Monster hunter is is like the the most extreme the end of that. It's the most extreme I've ever seen Like you get situations where one armor is fantastic on one and just a dog shit pile on the other Yeah, and and again

Starting point is 01:15:11 I I say like it doesn't always have to be like I'm not I'm not always fighting For my case here of like, oh, I want to have big armor on on a girl like the kirin armor I think is wonderful. I think it's really cool style. I actually really You know think it it it's it works. It's just You don't get a choice Choice is good. Don't not give choice. Yeah, I think the male kirin armor is horrible For example The male kirin armor that has like the unicorn head that covers most of the face

Starting point is 01:15:49 It looks awful. I don't I don't even remember what it looks like. I just yeah, I will I will yeah here Sending you a screenshot and you're gonna go. Oh, that is bad Here's a screenshot. Yeah. Yeah, that's stupid. Yeah, that's dumb. Exactly. It's bad, right? Yeah, so, you know That's that's 100% it like just allow the choice Um Anyway, but yeah, uh, uh, not to you know gone forever, but like all in all, um that lower thread was fucking incredible That was the fourth raid was the rate on your brain from that one twitter thread that uh

Starting point is 01:16:28 We we reviewed Yeah, you understand what I meant before That it like it feels like there's more to do with near here than automata. Mm-hmm Like just the amount of like the fact that there are seeds. Yeah, it's taro verse It's not it's not just Like like, you know to be on the cover is or to pee on the cover is your You know, this is your product. This is your crossover. That's your star and this is who you recognize But like this is absolutely. That's your that's your bait. Mm-hmm. But this is absolutely

Starting point is 01:17:06 Uh referencing and homaging like the entire career of games this guy's put out so um and and and not only that but like potentially in an incredibly significant way um given I guess the implications of like that last coin You know, so um

Starting point is 01:17:30 Yeah, and the next and uh, I will echo what some people have said is that like personally, I love this crossover shit And I love digging super deep and I can't wait for the next game That has nothing to do with any of this shit at all and we'll have like a single Book in the background of one library that talks about robots And you'll be like ha ha. Yeah, and I can't wait to be obsessed with those connections as the You know as the thing happening in like in front of me is there and it's it's standing on its own two legs and

Starting point is 01:18:07 God bless it. I I always i'm a fan of it having its You know its own thing, but like I just can't help but like Be like oh shit, but the tie into this or that or whatever, you know, you know, you know, you are woolly You're holding a thing that you like and another thing that you like And people are like don't you enjoy these things and you're like, yeah But what if they kissed? What if what if they were kissing? remember when is the lowest former conversation says tony soprano and

Starting point is 01:18:41 you know man's got a point but If I'm playing a game that's really good And then they make reference to a chord in it and I'm like I liked a chord The first time I saw her What would you have to say about this thing that I liked? Hey, let me ask you a question. You say remember when is the lowest form of conversation But is what if this happened not actually the lower form of conversation?

Starting point is 01:19:12 Not what if the yeah, it is it is for sure But that's not what I'm thinking as much as I'm wondering What happened between now and then that's that's what it is for me, right is because and I've said this before many times Character plus time is my fucking like I'm obsessed with that. I love it so much. Yeah, right because it's the opposite of um, your favorite saturday morning cartoon show Where no one ever grows or changes Yeah, like one of the most exciting parts of any game to me is like a time skip. Yes, right? And it allows your brain to dance with the possibilities of what became of each person

Starting point is 01:19:56 and it's you heard me talk about how fucking incredible it was watching avatar as During the show they grow and then off-camera they grow And you get to see, you know, both of those things it's it's wonder. It's it's amazing. It's great people grow things change um tv and And and stories that have been so focused on keeping them the same Have been all I've been exposed to as a kid and It was such a refreshing change of pace when I

Starting point is 01:20:31 Eventually came across stories where they had the balls to change things, you know And not just for the purposes of like selling a new form of a toy But like to show that the character is going to behave differently in a situation now Then they would have at the beginning of the show or even the middle Yeah, there's a wild difference between dude Megatron got hit by a thing now. He's a new toy and

Starting point is 01:20:57 Uh, brother nears now an adult Right so Big difference. So that small little thing and the fact that like I just saw so few stories changing characters over time became something that I focused on over time and like now When it's like, oh the prospect of someone you saw

Starting point is 01:21:23 In a game in a moment and a story in a movie and then something else that's tangentially related But possibly finding out what happened And After the we we stopped following them is so interesting. I just I'm like, yeah, what what did come of that person? You know, did what did they do with the rest of their life? What was it? It's like it's it's just fucking Brain candy to me, you know, so every time uh, these separate stories even hint at these little connections I really start to zoom in on those points. Um And you know, I can see how people can would be like dude

Starting point is 01:21:59 You're you're getting too obsessed with those those, you know, you're pulling out the microscope You shouldn't know what ruled but you know what fucking ruled. That's the reason why you know pays teaching a baseball team Yukaris the super sentai actress a featherman actress. No less like, you know, like, yeah Exactly. Fuck. Yeah, exactly um on that note, uh, if we may deftly transition out of uh ff 14

Starting point is 01:22:31 Into what you just said punchbomb started, uh p3 portable Yeah, yeah And is doing fem see route Yeah, and scumbag fem see I She'll sell you those pictures Dude

Starting point is 01:22:53 She's the best she will sell you those pictures Yeah, um, I didn't know how much The music changed as well Oh, yeah And I was like like getting all ready and hyping up, you know hyped up to for mass destruction And then it's like no actually it's a totally different battle theme um And I think it's wiping all out. Yeah, something like that something like that

Starting point is 01:23:23 Um, and then it's really good the music changes Uh, a lot there's there's massive, um Uh, s-link changes as well like humongous differences And I'm already looking at the game and seeing how different it is just from the fact that there's no 3d environments outside of tartarous Uh, you're really just hey Visual I have a really good I have a I have a really good piece of advice And yes, it is a minor spoiler. So don't turn your brain off, but it's very important

Starting point is 01:23:56 I'm gonna recommend that Imperatively You do not Get too far in ken's s-link with the female main character You're not gonna want to do that. Well, I'm not the one in the driver's seat All right I'm just saying

Starting point is 01:24:21 Things cannot be undone to a degree Yeah, again, I'm not the one in the driver's seat. So we'll see where that goes and Or rather, we'll see if that goes and if it does then we have some very important conversations to have But um That is there's always time to back out now woolly Uh that aside we uh Do you know

Starting point is 01:24:54 If the most important song is still there I mean There are a lot of songs you the last one Oh, yeah, no, you can't fuck with that. Please. Thank you. It's the biggest Most important change is is primarily like tartarous and like world-based where they get the most like they get the most bang for their buck Yeah, okay um Also the addition of the ability to control directly your party members

Starting point is 01:25:24 Always a plus. So that's very nice that game like way easier. Yeah It makes it more fun even You know, so uh, that's nice too. And then yeah, just also seeing the um the chart of relationship differences It's like half of the game like half of the relationships between characters. Uh femsi Uh versus the original were just completely different people a lot of those like random kids you hang out with are replaced with like your gal pals um

Starting point is 01:25:59 and Yeah, obviously the romantic interests as well um And then there's some people I'm just like I have no idea who that is or what that even means when I see the portrait, you know Oh, some of them are new like the the the tennis girl is brand new for example Hmm Oh, well, I forget her name. What's it's a psycho. Yeah, no idea. But yeah, so no that's that's uh, that's Happening and it's interesting to see like a completely different version of events kind of or a different experience at least that's like that wildly different

Starting point is 01:26:30 Did you get to the fucking uh, did you guys get to the um The first monthly boss probably not like it's just just just starting out because it it like So junpei sucks, right? What if he sucked way worse nice? Yeah, do you remember in the first do you remember the first uh, uh the very first monthly boss? He's he's like crying. He's like, why are you the leader? Uh, you're not even cool, right? What if In the the female main character routes

Starting point is 01:27:06 You added just a thick layer Of teenage misogyny to that. Oh, he's already he's already dropped on the like. Why is she the leader? She's a girl He's already started up with that um, also the That combined with like hitting on you Is always great That's such a good combo

Starting point is 01:27:31 Oh, she's so stupid you want to go out though. Mm-hmm That's that's a fucking teenage bad kid. That's a teenage kid That's a I knew like 35 junpei's. Mm-hmm. I knew so many of that guy Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we'll see how that shapes out also I'm curious to see if that turns yukari into your bff or not You know god, I hope not. I don't know how that's gonna play out. So we'll see but it's interesting. Um, it's a quite refreshing Uh, uh quite refreshed. I should say experience and maybe it's a hint as to why they never did it again Because they remade the game

Starting point is 01:28:10 Yeah, it seems like a lot of work and I think they Should consider not doing that Like you can just make a Selection on the top that then doesn't have to reroute so much of the game Yeah, you know, they honestly what they what they should do is they should just they should just make Like a wide variety of they should have every s link in the game be Get the dick or don't get the dick sure

Starting point is 01:28:46 And then just have a gender toggle um And then also like the fact that there are different answers on on different like dialogue trees is fun too But they really could spare themselves the trouble and just make it like hey pick one of these two and play the same game effectively, you know Yeah, um astral chain Mm-hmm. Yeah Um No p3 p3p is like excellent and it's like very ambitious

Starting point is 01:29:17 And it's it's why the voices are so loud for a female main character in a persona game because we got one and it ruled Yeah, also it turns the whole theme color us the whole color scheme, uh pink and red Yep, and I was like, oh, but this game is supposed to be blue Hmm Okay, well we already did read the most We're getting the most common question. We're gonna get about this. Should I play fez or p3p first for my first time? Yeah, that's the thing right that was what I had to figure out and basically, uh My suggestion was like go with go like for for punch mom

Starting point is 01:30:04 It was like, yeah go with p3p because one you get to actually for the first time ever Get fmc if you want to and two Which they know, you know, which they never do again. So it's a unique experience and two like, um You can actually probably get through the game a bit You can cut down on some downtime going through this long game by just moving through the map in a top view world Select your person Uh version of the game instead of running around the 3d environment, you know, it probably shaves some time I would say

Starting point is 01:30:36 p3p without a doubt because you can control your party But also The biggest downside of it is that you the cut scenes are like horribly ruined, but you just look those Yeah, excuse me Going she's she went backwards from 5 4 3 right so um talking about so for p1 and 2 Of course, like yeah, it's not to not to imply that Was the first but for her going through it this way in this order at the very least which Is weird but also like

Starting point is 01:31:06 it Is the only reason why like it worked in this way um is because she is playing games for the first time really like not playing games at the first time but like Going in depth, you know in this way and like the mechanics and the difficulty of like You know how brutal things would be like with demon fusion having to look up guides and like how And how monotonous like Tartarus can get like a lot of that is basically like likely to have her bounce off if

Starting point is 01:31:42 She wasn't kind of brought in on the premise when it was streamlined later on, you know, so like starting starting out with the most like Streamlined version of things then allowed her to like like it enough and then go all right I'm down to try that again a little more stripped away And I know the system a bit more so I can try something a bit harder and then so then with four That's what it was But even four the intro leading in was so fucking long that like she stopped like twice I think and then finally came back to it a third time and went back in so

Starting point is 01:32:14 um Yeah, it going through it backwards is actually helping Punch mom get into it because like the more mechanics that like arrive over time like The rather going through it backwards the more mechanics you strip away The the she's willing to deal with it after enjoying what she's played so far, you know Yeah, I think the farthest you could probably go back realistically. It's like the nocturne remaster Oh Why would you say like that?

Starting point is 01:32:50 Well, I mean you're not going to go back to fucking smt2 or persona 2 Like that that is That's a whole different planet Well, I I don't know what she's going to want to do after this I I mean specifically in in terms of like, you know in terms of her taste and what she's liking like Who knows, you know, uh I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sell. I'm not, you know, never say never might be if there's a curiosity there

Starting point is 01:33:19 Why not follow through on it? You know Uh, yeah, so that's happening And uh, and we're allowed to play the games because the store didn't come down. So that's nice Don't play him too much on stream though And Uh, yeah, in case anyone hasn't caught it I dropped the latest episode of guilty gear lore

Starting point is 01:33:47 Episode four is now available on woolly versus It covers the story of guilty gear vast edge xt the pachinko All the way through Excerpt sign um, so That is uh How'd you get the pachinko shit? So there's a lot of

Starting point is 01:34:09 like digging That had to that I had to do and the problem was That at some point it's like, okay I'm never gonna get my hands on a fucking pachinko machine. Obviously. I'm not anywhere near japan Why what is what are we gonna do here? Well, it turns out that there is, uh, a Japanese iTunes

Starting point is 01:34:36 Version of the game that you can play on your phones And that existed But it no longer exists, but there was a time that it did and Because it existed There are some direct screenshots and direct feed video Of and footage of the game That that is out there, but like I was trying to install

Starting point is 01:35:01 Japanese iTunes on a new phone account trying to download this thing and unfortunately, I couldn't get it um So then the next best thing is just grabbing Whatever you can that was like ripped from the game directly um taking a look at you know, uh promotional material that that that the company Delight had put out For the for the pachinko game at the time including a live action trailer

Starting point is 01:35:31 Um with someone cosplaying soul bad guy in it for I mean like really just digging for that Uh, what else did I do a lot? Um, I Tracked down Um, oh, yeah, even just like the old website um And all the assets Advertising its pachinko mechanics had some art on it. It had some visuals. It had some Exploding chains that were you know usable

Starting point is 01:36:00 In in different areas. So you just you do what you can, you know, you dig you literally you just you fucking dig Um, but I I did it. I got I got what I could out of it And uh, we put it together, you know So what would you would you classify that as guilty gear archaeology? at that point, I mean Like to to show like there is a major plot villain of the guilty gear story That shows up and dies in this pachinko game and you can't see any existing footage of the fight except for

Starting point is 01:36:35 A really blurry recording of this promotional show with like these uh, like there's this pachinko promo show where they play pachinko games and they get Four cosplay girls to come in and go. Yay and and pretend to care about pachinko for a while and Like it's it's zooming in on like them like cheering and they're playing and then blurry in the distance Is the little screenshot of the game where you can finally see that boss fight occurring So i'm cropping and enhancing that so that we can see What it looks like to fight this boss or what it looks like when uh, not that man

Starting point is 01:37:14 But the man as he is called in the pachinko game shows up You know and and like you're just fucking Yeah, archaeology, I guess is the way to put it. Yo, this sucks. Well, this sounds like shit It sounds like an arduous and thankless task. They hired me to do the job I'm doing the job. I was hired to do couldn't they have like sent you assets or something I did get some stuff, but uh, I definitely didn't get as much as I needed uh also And and and furthermore, I would say that for the

Starting point is 01:37:51 Well, anyways, I mean I'm I'm putting in the midnight oil I'm putting in some fucking hours out of love on this thing because boy if I was going on some kind of um, I don't know wage rate or something Yeah, the I took I took I took the opportunity because I love I love uh guilty gear and I'm just looking at this like I can't believe the amount of work that I expected of this and that I said like yeah, sure and then what it turned out

Starting point is 01:38:26 Oh, yeah, that's all I'll bang it out. No problem. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then what it turned out to be in in in fucking our account and and you know translation and and I mean just like audio CD it's yeah, but anyway It's available now go check out episode four and um

Starting point is 01:38:49 Yeah, there's some fun stuff in that that I You know, I found that I thought was pretty cool or or or silly and all of the above Uh pointed out a couple of things in that Um, I I dropped a few tweets here and there about some things that I noticed like, um, yeah, like you see uh You see Soul do his dragon install in the pachinko game And then like he pretty much once he goes into a unique dragon install form for just that game

Starting point is 01:39:19 He does an attack that looks like he's grabbing you point blank at the screen Which is pretty much the startup of heavy mob cemetery So i'm like, oh interesting because that doesn't really look like anything else that they gave him um directly in in like Excerred Uh, I there's the air grab, but it doesn't look the same So i'm like that's almost like they you know might have looked at that and went, huh? Maybe that thing, you know, or um

Starting point is 01:39:47 Yeah, a couple other little bits and pieces. I mean, you know, it's all there There's some real like Yeah, anyway, there's stuff. I can't say that's really funny, but the the um We're closing in on the the catch up to strive So, uh, check it out. Check it out. Tell me what you think And uh, I hope that uh everyone can make sense of what's going on in this story And at the very least like see it for what it is And be like, okay. Well

Starting point is 01:40:19 you know I this is Like this was a a a daunting task and now Uh, we have a digestible version of it almost there What if you don't understand it after watching all of your videos, uh, that's normal that's okay that's I you tried

Starting point is 01:40:42 Watch them again Yeah, you watch them again. Okay. Yeah, that's a yeah, that's a good idea. Okay Dude, I It's tough. I've been following this series for a long time and it's it's it's tough. It's harder than you think It's so difficult. It's so incredibly difficult Uh, yeah, yeah You know Sometimes you find things and you go

Starting point is 01:41:16 like whoa look at that and then You go, hey guys take a look at this And then guys go What the fuck is that? What is who is that and I'm like, who is that? I don't know you

Starting point is 01:41:33 You did this Oh, okay So I gotta ask Once you're done with this, uh, the the guilty gear series and you know strive us out I assume you'll be moving on to do the video series explaining the plot of blaze blue. Well, I mean listen, um There there is There's a number And I can write that sheet of on a piece of paper and I can slide it across the desk and we'll see what happens

Starting point is 01:42:12 Then they yell at you to get the fuck out of their office. Everyone's got a number I'm not exempt Um good times guilty gear lore played uh jackie chan fist of fire aka the perfect kusouge Uh, oh that that's a classic kusouge. Yeah, if you want a traditional ass Like this is the definition of shit game You need to watch get into fighting games

Starting point is 01:42:45 Uh jackie chan fist of fire Um, it's it's it starts out with a really bad audio clip Of him saying I'm jackie chan and this is my game and then you see three or four versions of jackie chan fighting against like weirdly colored pink purple and blue people

Starting point is 01:43:08 um kusouge means shit game literally means shit game and uh This thing is it's the perfect level of just what the fuck is happening But it's it's it's three characters on that roster or just jackie chan in different clothes, but it's also like insanely fast and nonsensically hyper on the ground

Starting point is 01:43:34 But when you jump it becomes underwater super slow So, uh, there's all kinds of infinites and bullshit nonsense combos that shouldn't happen damage is wild Uh, oh, we did a scrub ports on it a million years ago sure did Every character has a a boss version just to make them even stupider and crazier and Yeah, it's and of course there's a discord community out there that meets up and has tournaments on a regular basis So it's got all the markings of an fgc poverty classic

Starting point is 01:44:08 You know, this was the game that would often be on after the You know grand finals of uh street fighter attack and finished You'd see some people over gathered on a laptop playing some heavy ass fist to fire. Oh, man. This thing is garbage I'm loving it beautiful beautiful You know, so, um, yeah We went back to examine and and see what was going on and shout outs to Some folks from the the community reaching out and basically showing off that there is a Discord there's a wiki

Starting point is 01:44:39 There is a bible There is a jacky chan fist to fire bible It's divided into the new and old testaments And you can go diving as deep as you want to to find out how these insane broken systems work So, uh, yeah Yeah, we keep we keep digging. That's what we do Not that this is this is not that deep in the kasuga pile. It's a pretty popular one But it's it's it's some fucking poverty. That's worth acknowledging if no one has seen it or if you haven't heard about it

Starting point is 01:45:09 So bringing that to the masses Um, and yeah, I guess last thing I want to talk about is a board game There's a game I picked up a while ago that uh, I never got around to playing called onytama it is, uh basically a um pretty small and simple game where you Are playing what amounts to

Starting point is 01:45:41 chess on a smaller board with um simplified rules, let's say um, and Would you call it chess to not quite? Because I was in the mood to play some board games, right? And what I want to do what about what I really like is, um When we have a game set up and then like

Starting point is 01:46:07 Me and punch mom we just take turns over the course of however many Days or weeks or whatever playing a game doing a move at a time walking by checking it out doing a move, you know Like I like that. That's a pretty fun thing and we've done it with go a couple times and um I wanted to get the game going again. So, um, yeah, it's it's fun to come back You know make a sandwich and see like oh my move Stop and think about it for a bit and then do my move and then walk away, you know

Starting point is 01:46:36 Uh, so this game is perfect because Um, yeah, the rules are pretty straightforward. You have a five by five grid Um, and well, that's quite small. Yep five by five grid and then you have five pieces right four pawns and then one king You face each other on both sides and then Uh, what you do is you each draw there's a deck of cards You so you pull five cards out of the deck And then you put the you throw the deck away

Starting point is 01:47:09 You each take two of those cards and then you put one in the middle Each card shows you a movement pattern That a piece can do Okay, I see how this works. So basically the card Turns any one of your pieces into Let's say a knight a bishop or a knight. Yeah, yeah, right And then but but you it's um, but instead of being assigned to the unit It's assigned to the move which is a card which you play once

Starting point is 01:47:41 And then you rotate it out Of the two choices you have you play it you move your piece And then you rotate it to the side and then you replace that that fifth card with the one you just used Then they take their turn And then they use that they take the move they just played put it on the side and grab the one you did before And now they have those moves So you have five cards that are five moves cycling between you and the opponent And any of your five pieces can do

Starting point is 01:48:11 Whatever that move entails that one time Get it Yeah So It's it's almost it's almost like uh fights in tight spaces, but with chess instead of fight man's I guess but you know in this case it really is like simplified chess like if you were to take um Excuse me if you were to take you know, like I said a four pawns and a king And then say that all them all the usual unit movements

Starting point is 01:48:46 Are now cards you're holding and then you have to rotate between five of them And so I get a bishop card and a queen card And then you have a knight in a rook and then there's like a pawn on the side card You know, um, you can see all of my moves and I can see all of your moves Oh weird because I know exactly what Your limitations are and I you know what my limitations are Okay, so I was about to be like oh, that's really weird and then I'm like no wait

Starting point is 01:49:14 You can see everybody else's possible moves in Chess correct Yes, look at the board. Just look at the board You know so in this case, but it's limiting those moves to these Sets of cards on a smaller scale thus it's easier to pick up and faster. So yeah, uh, it's really fun It's it's quite good. We we just completed a game before we started the podcast today And um, it's I was recommended to me as uh from like one of these board game booths at I want to say magfest the last time we went

Starting point is 01:49:45 Uh, and it's yeah, it's fucking great. It's called oni tama I would definitely recommend if you're in the mood for something light chess light checkers ish But just a different vibe to it all together Um, and yeah, you win by either killing the king or putting your king on his throne Which is the starting point of the king. Okay. Yeah So that's it. Oni tama sounds like it. I want to go look at what that actually oni tama you said. Yeah What's that look like? Oh, yeah, that's a cute little little little board. There you go like that um

Starting point is 01:50:22 Yeah, so anyway Uh, that'll that'll pretty much do it. I suppose Uh, if I want a two sentence update on disco elysium Say one of these communist or fastest things or fuck off I knew you would get there Like Absolutely No choice on the in-between

Starting point is 01:50:53 You have to like they create these like Be a fucking straw man or die Um Hey, man, what can I say centrists or losers in the game knows it hilarious Really fucking funny. I uh, I got to the end of the communist quest line And like it got to the point where I was like dead eyed staring ahead

Starting point is 01:51:20 Thinking about putting a gun in my mouth. It's just so miserable. So it it's like it was it was like just Stabbing me so yeah and it's really like um Like you cut like I saw someone say that like everyone that LPs this goes communist so every so every like all footage of this being played is just kind of The samey in that way and I thought about that and I'm like well I imagine it would get really uncomfortable really fast

Starting point is 01:51:57 If you went fucking off right hard on everything so The game makes fun of centrists a lot But the only Philosophy it actually goes like no you're a bad person by default is the the fascist options. Yeah And like they're all like violently like racist Like nobody picks them on stream because it would just make it uncomfortable and like sad and not fun to play

Starting point is 01:52:29 so The the mug was the first test of sorts or it wasn't the first but it was an early test of sorts and then It's like you can choose what to say about this mug with a racist caricature on it and If you click Though if you click the uh The fascist option

Starting point is 01:52:53 The game just goes oh You're that kind of cop Okay Well anyway, and it doesn't it doesn't even reward you No, right. It just straight up goes. Uh-huh Okay Well anyway then and it's like it's it fucking like the narrative is so strong and so verbose And like it just go it waxes on so many times that like it's almost it's so like

Starting point is 01:53:24 The harshest thing ever is the narrator effectively being like yeah, fuck you. I'm not even gonna talk to you Yeah, it's it's it's incredible. It's great. It's it's fucking incredible. Um You know so Given given that that sort of circumstance and whatnot you're kind of and and of course how much the It plays in in like a half hour when you go stand before the ceo of racism You know, um Unbelievable there's two of those. Yeah, there's there's the there's the sub boss and then there's the fucking The the real shit. Oh, sorry. There are three. Oh, okay

Starting point is 01:54:02 Oh, did you not get that dialogue with kim? Uh, which one? Because you meet you meet the lucky. Oh, the lucky saw you meet the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The lucky the lucky third the lucky third Right. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes, right. They will grant you three wishes. So, um Yeah, all in all, um, yeah, to fucking continues to be one of the best games I've ever played. What can I say? It's uh, yeah, I'm I'm getting way in there. I'm like I'm like one Like eight

Starting point is 01:54:34 Like eight hour one away, right? and It's expanding in all these crazy crazy locations and ways that I'm just Not prepared for Uh, it's astonishing. Uh, well, you have shivers is one of you pick shivers is your primary Stat I did Shivers is the only mandatory check in the entire game. Whoa Whoa

Starting point is 01:55:06 Really? Yes, huh? Well, that's like a check so you can you can replay it. That's lucky Okay, um, I didn't put enough points into it to experience it as much as I want to but I'm it just sounded so cool That it is that's all there was behind it. It's just this sounds Like something that will be very cool to experience on a regular basis So, oh by the way, I've had I've I've built up a lot of stats so I can tell you a more clear way of the way that they work

Starting point is 01:55:41 Four They will talk to you regularly at at number four. They will regularly talk to you. Okay At two they may occasionally chime in maybe And at six they are loud. Okay At eight they are intolerable. Okay I didn't know that going in so it it tends it tends to work on even numbers So you should get shivers up to four. Yeah, because we're we're feeling we're feeling. They'll tell you shit all time We're feeling that now. Definitely. I um, I have perception at 10 Jesus

Starting point is 01:56:17 and like Like I want to shut my eyes off sometimes like they won't stop. Yeah I think conceptualization is my highest at right now at six um I want to get shivers up for sure and that's why I don't want to like I saw Uh advice to saying don't level up until you need to in a conversation And I hate that And I'm not going to do that. I have a new tip that I have learned

Starting point is 01:56:45 Keep one level in reserve for when you want to re-roll a check But otherwise level up because the the passives The passive observations are constant Right. Mm-hmm. I had a point where I was sitting on five levels Because I just I talked to Everett and I just talked and talked and talked and talked and gained five levels And it's like I could hold on to these and re-roll one check five times Or I could make it so that I have four different skills start talking to me right now

Starting point is 01:57:19 Yeah And furthermore, I hate the idea of like well, you might get to do this role if you want to re-check it or You're gonna miss out or you can miss out on a bunch of interesting little small checks While the conversation is getting started. Yeah, and I'm like, I want those small checks. Fuck off. You know, so Eli went and did a A Save file with cheat engine called too high

Starting point is 01:57:46 Where I think he put every stat at like nine And like He the the description that I saw from his tweet is like the game is like unplayable Everything just keeps coming up. Just just non-stop. Yeah, okay forever. Okay Man, that's so much writing. It's it's This is a once in psych in psychlopedia is like the worst one by the way by far by by far by far Mm-hmm The psychopedia has more dialogue

Starting point is 01:58:20 It has like twice as much as any of the other stats to itself. And I didn't know why that was Until again, Eli our good pal plague of grapes recently told me About a book called The What's it called the sacred and terrible airs It helped me someone the set the terrible and sacred airs the Sacred and terrible airs. I believe that is Sacred and terrible air, right

Starting point is 01:58:55 Uh, and it is the book that the author who wrote disco elysium wrote before disco elysium That takes place in the universe of disco elysium. Oh Okay It is a pre-established fiction The world of revash all beforehand. Okay. All right. Yeah, there's only one slight problem You can't read it what language neither can I because it's not in english French

Starting point is 01:59:32 No, I think it's like only like polish or like check or something like that. Okay Because i'm like darn because it's so much of it sounds french that I was like, yeah. Yeah. Well, okay fair enough Uh, estonia interesting interesting, I wonder Estonia in a language. I don't know. Please don't laugh at me Hmm well, um

Starting point is 02:00:07 I was going to say that this feels like a uh Once per generation style game where Like nothing gets this much writing put into it. Nothing Only only one game ever has ever gotten this much writing planescape Yeah, yeah It's the only one I I mean, this is a very clear example of an author

Starting point is 02:00:32 Wrote a book and then a game studio Took that and went let's make a game instead For every moment they went through all those and they voice acted it. Yeah Unbelievable unbelievable. You know one of the recent interviews with the with the uh the narrator As a guy who's never done voice work before um Was eye-opening and it was the fact that he can't speak any french at all Hmm uh a detail that by the time I I'm at where I'm at now has become

Starting point is 02:01:11 Overwhelmingly obvious. Okay As the narrator like consistently mispronounces All sorts of shit And I would but that's fine and the other thing too is that I would say that the strength of the pros is like To me I used to go on about the way the stories were translated in in lost odyssey, right? And this is like absolutely on that level of like, oh, this is fucking excellent to read. It's a pleasure To read the descriptions of things and places and and people. Oh, yeah, you know

Starting point is 02:01:48 um It also has like the most impressive uh language Options I've ever seen in a game Uh, so, you know, you you can switch between different languages in the game. Sure I'm loading it up right now to test by the way. Uh, you have english Uh, I want to say there's two types of chinese Uh, I want to say that's japanese or maybe korean uh spanish portuguese brazilian french dutch and

Starting point is 02:02:19 Either polish or russian. I can't read that last one But did you notice that the option in the menu is english and I didn't look at the menu So in language, it's english and You pick a second one And what you do is say you pick between english and french and then you load in your game Uh, you hit q and it swaps languages

Starting point is 02:02:49 What's the point of that? I don't know Yeah, literally like I can I can talk to kim And then I hit q once And it just instantly switches the dialogue box to french

Starting point is 02:03:11 Is that so that you can play it in a language you don't know and then switch it back dude to correct yourself I guess That feels like a learning tool. That's an insane feature like that's That that's the only possible reason I can think of there's no other benefit to that Wow Okay, you think that's like a dev thing that they just kept It like there was a quick switch to to test localization options and then they I mean Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, I do because

Starting point is 02:03:52 um Doing localization testing on a game like that And this was where reggie would actually have a better insight because he did language testing way more than I did but you fucking Like Anything that a dev tool can help you

Starting point is 02:04:10 Uh Use to check things in game Would be um, it would shave literally like hundreds of hours off of the the the task because First localization testers will grab an excel sheet Read all the words and make sure that the words make sense are spelled correctly and everything is you know like right um But then you have to see how it implements in game and make sure that it doesn't have line breaks typos

Starting point is 02:04:40 you know Wrong incorrect spacing and other syntax errors. So um The it's a two step process and the second step takes a fucking forever Especially in a game with tons of options and branching paths and so on So you could absolutely save a tester's life by having them press a button to check how everything looks Between languages on the fly You

Starting point is 02:05:11 Could totally like japanese isn't currently in it because I assume that translation job is actually The biggest nightmare ever But once it's in you could totally use the scheme to practice your japanese Like a hundred percent I don't see why not. Yeah, if in theory, you know, sure Um This is the first game in a long time that I've been like I can't wait to beat this on stream so I can play it again uh, I

Starting point is 02:05:41 Don't see it happening, but I would love if they rolled out some text size support Just to just to make it a little bigger even because You plan on on a console. Uh, no playing it on my computer, but You know, it's just it's another situation where We're on the couch And not all text is like some text is You know small but legible

Starting point is 02:06:10 Some text is like that's more than standard. That's fine for the average conversation Um, for example, I'd say the the general text during the conversations is normal size and that's fine the stuff that is the descriptions of your uh abilities of your stats when you go to the info page That's where it gets to like one degree smaller Same for when you're looking at internalizing thoughts It's like, you know, like the the second level of thought internalizations are the smallest text in the game by far I I think the stat checks

Starting point is 02:06:46 with the um pluses and minuses underneath Are the smallest actually so I just went in and checked and Uh, the it does have text options It does there are three text options dragged it to the highest and I I just I just checked and they don't affect all of the parts that you just completed exactly They affect the main text you're seeing most of the time

Starting point is 02:07:13 but um, when you highlight a potential, uh, uh, You know wider red check It'll show you the stats underneath to go a plus one or minus two to whatever And they're tiny and those are the smallest in the game by far like those are like ridiculously tiny So that is all stuff that's meant for anyone sitting at a monitor. That's right in front of your face at a desk Not for couch play. Um Yeah, I don't know. I'm right now. It's just I'm in a I'm in a minority of of you know PC game, uh, um concerns about like, you know couch play for this stuff and

Starting point is 02:07:48 You know our setup is such that like The the illusion of like what you're watching versus like where we're sitting and how everything is arranged There's a lot that goes into Having the screens and the stream and the audio and the two capture devices and the keyboards and the multiple mice There's a lot happening behind the magic of such a simple experience to make it seem easy But it's not as simple as unfortunately just scooching the couch up, you know It's funny that uh, this is a topic that comes up when we talked about ff 14 for so much because

Starting point is 02:08:23 I watched the the first one and one of the first things that men showed you was you could change the size of the text box for like NPC dialogue Uh, that's a really really recent change That used to the size of of text in dialogue only Used to be associated with your resolution and it was like I had to play at 1080p for multiple years Because I was playing on a tv and anything higher than that just went I can't I just I literally can't Read it at all And it sucked

Starting point is 02:08:58 They need to decouple those man Yeah, um It's a quality of life issue. That's a c-class bug that gets fucking ignored for years Until someone goes all right Let's take a look at this minor little fucking scaling thing and it'll make a couple people happy And then we'll fuck off, you know like it's it's it's Minor, but it affects almost every single game i'm playing these days um civilization is like the actual worst

Starting point is 02:09:27 like because uh The maximum size is still like laughably small And then if you go like into the files and you find like the the the the thing like the percentage Integer you can just change it and it totally works at much much higher percentages And you can get it playable, but it's not an option in the game because who cares So the other option to solve this would be to just allow modders to do it Uh, but allow the workshop to interface with the game, but obviously not every game is willing to do that

Starting point is 02:10:02 I'm a big fan of uh, you can scale it as high as you want, but it will break above this number Exactly that I'd be more than happy with that like your text will Shoot out in weird directions, and you will see strange Line breaks, but if you want it bigger we can do that like that's that's what I would prefer. Yeah um Cool well anyway, that's that's what's going on. Um, you can tune in for more adventures of that um, disco elysium We've got a slot for something new because we played, uh

Starting point is 02:10:39 Um ghost runner again And I was able to like Finally fix the problems of last time play the proper pc version Um, thank god did a lot better still struggled obviously because my own you know Limitations in the the game is is a challenge and my aim sucks, but it played and it worked So we got much further had a good time um, and uh, yeah, we we now have a spot. So we'll see we'll see you know, but um For now, that's what's going on on woolly versus and uh, yeah again guilty gear lore available now check it out

Starting point is 02:11:13 I I'll announce the schedule. Um I was thinking of taking a couple days Uh, I'm not too sure how we're gonna set it up, but um, you know as usual check my twitter to see what we're doing this weekend or What days will be off if any and that'll be us? Yeah Hey before I start talking about my week do you mind if we take five minutes so I can empty this dog? Let's do it All right, where were we hey woolly have you heard about dog tweets?

Starting point is 02:11:51 No Well for those of you at home listening to this after the fact Uh apologies as this is a visual But on the stream right now Uh people watching and woolly himself can see there's a big stupid fat dog Uh with his toy and mouth just slapping my keyboard Uh currently And this is what he likes to do now. He likes to see me playing on my keyboard and then he takes his toy and slaps my keyboard

Starting point is 02:12:23 Leading to unironic not even joking dog tweets Oh Why are you not just leaving twitter on your phone? Oh, you only you only do phone twitter? I mean you can avoid your problem by doing that right now That's true, but I mean he also deleted my twitch schedule last night doing it. Well So if you ever get any really bizarre messages that are like a bunch of scrambles for me woolly It's probably this dumb dumb Yeah

Starting point is 02:13:03 What about the ones before he was around? The ones that are randomly scrambled nonsense It happens Yeah, those are probably Cat tweets. Okay. Well, which have which have decreased Since the dog is slapping his toy onto my keyboard. I love you. We'd get the fuck out of my face. Goodbye All right, so all right Plausible deniability pets got it

Starting point is 02:13:29 Yeah, that's right Aside from uh disco the only thing of note that I really want to talk about this week I mean I've been playing near. Hey guess what it's near. It's still near. It's the near that it was but it's newer Uh is Returnal Returnal came out on the yes So that is the game that I mixed up with the other thing the other week ago And I was like is that the one with the brian? I believe I called it right and I was like member right. Yeah

Starting point is 02:13:57 This is the game what this is the one with the brian. Yeah, and it's the house mark. So that's good um That looks really cool And I was very much looking forward to jumping on it and I was actually going to play it yesterday Um, but I was too tired But I did buy it for a A whopping

Starting point is 02:14:24 $80 canadian Yes So What the fuck With the price of that game well This is a house mark. So they made superstardous hd and then they made rezzo gun and rezzo gun is excellent um

Starting point is 02:14:45 And they have decided that they want to break new ground By making the world's first triple a roguelike Because that's what that game is So that is a run-based game Like you go on runs with randomized locations And pickups and weapons. Uh-huh, but it is Uh The triple a it's gorgeous in that it is it is it is the best looking game on the playstation 5

Starting point is 02:15:20 The particle effects in particular are out of control It has the best use of the dual sense Like the the the fancy rumblies right Uh, the fact that it's a roguelike and it uses the ssd means they can load in these like super gorgeous environments super fast um It plays

Starting point is 02:15:44 Just like control But much better Okay, like It is like the same Buttons and layout as control all the way down to the dash being on the on circle This is all very exciting I can't wait to play it Why the fuck is it so expensive?

Starting point is 02:16:08 Because it's a triple a video game like a regular video game Other games i've purchased have cost Not that much money 79 99 I that's what demon souls cost Hmm Let me take a look looking up right now demon souls playstation 5 89 96 on amazon Return all

Starting point is 02:16:37 89 96 on amazon that is totally the price Mmm of da video games in canadia I'm just gonna check out my purchase receipts in my email. I believe that might be a sony price Okay Yeah, well anyway, I mean go on them while I while i'm digging here, but it just I I feel like I was I raised an eyebrow at the at the costs Yeah, well also, uh, this is the first roguelike that I want to say has ever cost more than 30 dollars

Starting point is 02:17:23 Like the the game's immediate comparison is to hades right as the the prior like a fancy built-up roguelike and in terms of How do I put this I think hades looks better in its stylization Right, but I would not even Doubt for a second that return all is giving you The most graphics

Starting point is 02:17:55 I don't think it has the best look But it is definitely having the most graphics Of any roguelike i've ever seen In terms of particles and textures and lighting and and all that and it it really looks stellar Then it plays stellar like the the the movement and the The shooting and all that feels excellent It also has which is great because we just complained about re8 last week with the dualsense triggers

Starting point is 02:18:26 It has the best use of the dualsense triggers. I've seen so far by far Your left trigger is you hold it down a little bit and at the halfway part it has a really hard chunk Like like getting it that last 50 percent is a full extra button press right And the first half is aim And then the second half is switched to alternate fire So okay So aiming and shooting and then switching to alt fire doesn't require you to move any of your fingers

Starting point is 02:19:08 Now there's no buttons on the controller that are free for the real estate of that function Uh, no triangle is pick up x's jump squares melee circles dash You can however if you desire switch it to Secondary fire is just r1. Yeah, I don't know if I like the sound of that I'd have to try it but two functions on the same button That are essential. I really like it, but I'd have to see just switch to hit a different button I mean I kind of Think like if you run out of space and you've used every other one of the 14 options you could have then sure

Starting point is 02:19:51 but um I mean is it really using every other button? No, I like I'm telling you literally option two on the care on the controller select is r1 is completely free Yeah, okay, so just puts alternate fire to r1. Okay, but the default they went for is this function Okay, I I personally really like it, but you can change it in a second if you if you desire um it is It is a it is one of the weirdest games I've ever played

Starting point is 02:20:22 It is yeah, I think you were the one who invented the term the gumbo game For sony first party games. Sure Um, it is definitely that But the things they put into the gumbo are not things that I expected even though I was like kind of looking at the game from like a side eye. I was like, yeah, I'll play that when it comes out So it is a third person shooter a la control Yeah, control is the easiest by far because you have That it just feels that way and it's weird because house mark is also finished

Starting point is 02:20:57 So I guess the fins just really know how to do third person shooting real good fun excellent um and You have jump you have dash you have consumable items that do the normal some of them act like spells Or like a ground spike or whatever a lot of them are healing items or like, uh, you know turn off turrets in the area that kind of thing And you have a melee which is really strong which is incredibly strong. It's usually kills enemies in a single hit kind of melee and The enemies

Starting point is 02:21:36 Are schmup bosses Yeah, I saw the footage of The bullet patterns and the dodging and the extreme like it was like a 1v1 giant arena and humongous waves of like bullet patterns to dodge Yeah, so the the bosses are straight up bullet hell Uh, and the the regular enemies are run everywhere from

Starting point is 02:22:05 Regular normal ass third person shooter enemy that fires like a burst of pellets at you to The big you know the big rush down kind of gorilla beast monsters that like run They do a big leap attack and then you have to dash out of the way Well, when they land they create like an expanding circle of damage that you have to leap over. Okay Yeah, when I saw some of the footage I was thinking of fury Yeah, that too and they're mixing and matching these things and it's super weird Especially since so much of the game's flow is predicated on keeping your multiplier up Um

Starting point is 02:22:46 So every three enemies that you kill you get one on your multiplier And the first is you have a easier active reload The second is you can see enemy locations through walls The third is a melee attack, which does twice as much damage The fourth is you gain weapon experience twice as fast And then the fifth is you gain double money from everything you kill But if you take a hit multiplier goes down to zero, okay So it is

Starting point is 02:23:22 Ordinarily emphasizing perfect play How quickly are you getting stronger between each run? Not very So the the difference between a rogue like and a rogue liked has always been the difference between permanent power upgrades There are very few permanent power upgrades in this game The only Significant source of permanent power is when you get a let's say a machine gun It will have a secondary trait

Starting point is 02:23:59 Like rising pitch, which means at the fat the longer you hold the button the faster it'll fire, right? So if you use that gun for 15 20 kills, you'll unlock rising pitch on it Right now in the future if you ever pick up a machine gun that has that trait You will just use it And so it will be stronger, okay And the way it works is you gain proficiency as you kill enemies, which is your essentially experience And at level five experience, it gets a second trait at level 10 experience. It gets a third trait Etc

Starting point is 02:24:34 Right, so that's The the weapons get more more powerful That's almost it aside from that you are unlocking things that can be there Uh, yeah, yeah items that that now exist in the world. Yeah Right now some of those are more powerful. In fact, some of them are very powerful And the fact that you've added it to the pool is great But in terms of permanent power, it's like 80 90 percent you have learned to shoot these guys good

Starting point is 02:25:10 Okay, and are you going like, um Like room to room kind of like a childish dungeon or bpm where you're like Scouring an entire area before you take on a boss. Absolutely. Okay It is it is a hundred percent the traditional rogue-like structure of Do you have rooms that are a set room layout? But they've been mixed and matched in their in their generalness Um, and it may the secret wall may or may not be here this time Right or may or may and the items are all scrambled and the items that you get are all scrambled

Starting point is 02:25:47 And it has two Like item mechanics one is something called malignancy where items could be purple and you could pick them up But they can damage your suit and they'll do stuff like when you get hit You'll lose money until you shop twice or something like that And so it's a risk reward of whether or not you should risk malignancy But and getting all the items or not. Okay, and then the other is something called parasites Where they will give you a buff, but they will also give you a debuff so

Starting point is 02:26:18 one that I see often and I never pick up is uh Huge increase to your max health, but adds three extra seconds to your dash and melee cooldowns It's like I will not pick that up ever Ever okay, right now, but then you'll get one that's like We'll save you from a killing blow And it doesn't matter what the fucking downside is Because it'll save you from a killing blow

Starting point is 02:26:49 Right And then there's like, you know, there's all the the traditional things like there's the healing bed that you'll find or the bed that gives you the artifact or You know rogue like shit. Yeah Um What's oh, hold on. I need to let the cat downstairs. He's mad that I put the gate up. Excuse me Elmo. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm sorry Uh, no time to hit the break button on that one. So I guess we're just rolling with it Uh

Starting point is 02:27:21 Okay, did you play rezzo gun? I did Did you like it the multiplier system in rezzo gun is really similar to this. Okay And yeah, I liked it rezzo gun fucking rules In fact, I kind of want to play rezzo gun right now that you mentioned it. Um I would say that The game is excellent overall. I've been playing it non-stop there's just

Starting point is 02:27:59 Uh There's two big problems right Actually, I'd say three big problems. Okay One is while the story is super cool. It's very like eldritch nightmare geiger Shit, the art seems to imply that at the very least which is rad. Yeah

Starting point is 02:28:21 Yeah, enemies are infected by what appear to be tentacles Like tentacles is a big fucking thing. Okay um The way the story is told is Through audio logs But if you get stuck on a run and you can't get past like the second level Audio logs don't keep showing up because there's only so many

Starting point is 02:28:44 So I hit like a two three day period where I got zero story at all Wait, so like if you get the first audio log, then the next time you do a run You that first one won't appear anymore. It'll only be the second one because you already have it You can go look at it. But will that second one appear in the first area? No, there's there's audio logs for the first area of the second area of the third area and you have to get to yeah Okay, I gotcha. Okay, right and so you end up in the situation where it's like I played it for like 12 hours and got Literally no story. Oh shit, which was kind of a bummer because you were stuck doing the difficult

Starting point is 02:29:19 Because I just couldn't break through to that right. Okay, and then Like I broke through to that third one and couldn't reach the third level again for a while Second thing it's not While it plays excellently and the story when you get into it is fantastic in fact The the transition from act one to act two is like a plus one of my favorite story sequences in years It's not a very good roguelike Uh-oh Like the the items that you pick up

Starting point is 02:30:04 Like the the the things that change your your run are Pretty They're not very flashy. They're like oh one of the ones that they're like health upgrades will give you more health or Uh decreases your alt fire recharge. It's just subtle gun modifiers A lot of them Are pretty weak and I don't mean weak in terms of like not strong. I mean like Uninspired like a lot of them are very standard. Are they subtle gun modifiers mostly or like are you getting subtle gun?

Starting point is 02:30:45 and health and Stuff modifiers. There's a couple that are excellent that are like Uh like the strongest one that I found in the entire game Is regenerating health at low health Okay Like that is the strongest one I have found and it's one that I got on my first run And I have gotten it once since So carried me right through so, um

Starting point is 02:31:13 Hades You pick a weapon and then you go out and you get some boons that are going to change your shit up drastically Um dramatically and you'll you'll find a favorite and you'll stick to it um Yeah The uh a run of isek you'll just have a crazy, you know, it's completely nonsense, right? Um I think uh and then and then I was gonna say um, um

Starting point is 02:31:38 Uh god at dead cells Is a nice like Okay, you're gonna grab a weapon here. Um, you don't know what you're gonna get but like these two weapons are gonna Again drastically change the flow of this game of your gameplay here Like if you're gonna go with a hammer and a kunai You're gonna have a completely different game than if you were to just go with you know anything else um Yeah, so

Starting point is 02:32:05 A really good example is hades here. So hades you pick the sword, right? You have your five different types of swords Right, and then you have all the boons that modify the behavior of that sword right In Returnal you have I think it's eight or nine weapons and they all function very differently. There's the grenade launcher. There's the machine gun There's the pistol. There's the shoddy, right? You start with one shoddy for an example Right, you start with the same one every time You start with a pistol every time and then you pick up the rest. Yeah, okay anything out there

Starting point is 02:32:36 Let's take the shotgun for example, because it's the easiest to describe, right? So the shotgun has a A trait that gives it a really narrow cone Or a really wide cone Or it fires a slug Or it can do more stagger damage Or what have you right, but at the end of the day Unless you get a really fortuitous combination of traits It's pretty much going to be the same shotgun. You're using 90 of the time

Starting point is 02:33:06 It does not significantly change how it fires The only ones that change the way the guns like really feel and act are the ones that take the rocket launcher from like a burst fire weapon to like full auto Or slow down the the the machine gun from a rapid fire to like almost semi-auto and so it's like The guns feel excellent. It's some of the best shooting Ever genuinely But you're like, yeah, I rogue like oh, I can't wait to see how the weapons they it's It's the weapon feels like the weapon feels like the weapon. Okay

Starting point is 02:33:43 So so in none of your runs. Did you ever feel that like oh fuck? I got a busted run this time Right, which feels great in in those other games. In fact, it's it's the opposite Most runs I felt like oh, I have a busted run this time Whereas a couple runs. I'm like, this is a really good run But most runs you pick up an item and you go that's not very good And you pick up a second item. You're like, that's okay. I guess And you pick up a a gun that has a decent trait right everything's kind of

Starting point is 02:34:19 Normal, okay, nothing's so powerful and zany as to go like yeah, there's a couple weapon traits that are like Excellent and if I see them I pick them up every time, but most of them are they're fine Not a whole lot of it stands out. Okay. Yeah, and it it's kind of a bummer rate of fire increases or decreases and slight range changes It's like it does more damage per shot But it fires more slowly so you don't have to reload as often Okay, so it ends up being a reload speed increase So like, you know

Starting point is 02:34:57 Um, and that combines with the game's biggest problem by far by far by far not even close Well, you've beaten Hades, right? Not yet. Actually Oh, you've never cleared Hades. No, uh, I was playing it I my I understand that they've made it a lot easier now. Uh, I've I've been told but I was playing it many versions ago and I got to Elysium and uh to the But I didn't beat it yet. Yeah

Starting point is 02:35:28 Okay, is there a rogue like that you are familiar with? Um, that you have beaten Isaac You beaten Isaac. Mm-hmm. Okay. How long does it take to beat a round of Isaac? That run um How long did that take I don't know it's been a long time It was it was a while ago Okay, so it's about 40 minutes

Starting point is 02:35:57 Right an Isaac run is 30 minutes to at the absolute top if you go through all the secret levels like an hour Right. Hades is about 45 minutes gungeon runs from 40 minutes to an hour This is about the the average length of uh of a rogue like Run, right? If you go through a full run of Returnal it takes almost three hours Okay

Starting point is 02:36:28 The the run where I beat level three By because once you beat the second level you can go straight to level three if you want you can do one three instead of one two three Oh, well one that I the one that I actually beat where I went one two three took almost three hours Okay, uh, that's almost always a bad idea because you're starting underpowered. So yeah, because you don't you don't get all the upgrades you would from the second and They There's six levels in the game

Starting point is 02:37:01 So the way that it works is they don't make you effort effort do one two three four five six Because that would be like a fucking in Six to seven hour run, right? Oh, okay You do one one two one two three or one three and then you do four four five

Starting point is 02:37:26 four five six or four six I sorry, can you re-explain that I don't understand what you mean like once you get to the fourth level you start at the fourth level going forward You never go back to the to the half to the start start you're never doing a one to six level Okay, and starting from that halfway point at your Weakest state is more it's still no you they level you up a good deal. Okay. Yeah, as long as you're stronger Yeah, okay. Here's the thing. I don't like the fourth level as much as the first one But now you're stuck. I don't I don't like the fifth level as much as the second one Okay, okay, right

Starting point is 02:38:10 And like it's it's just like there's a reason why there's a big kerfuffle on the official subreddit for that game about saving the game Because it's so like runs are so long And I had a run that went over two hours And I just got I just fell off a cliff and died I just dashed wrong and died And I felt like I had wasted half my afternoon Do you ever stop your runs midway and when you're playing a roguelike and and come back to them later? I do Because I do that a lot

Starting point is 02:38:40 um, actually Sometimes when like I'll hit a point where I'm like, okay, let me just get one more you know, because that's what of course what the game is designed to do and um Yeah, I'll get a good run going and I'll be like I feel particularly good about this one I want to make sure I stop here and come back to it when I feel like I uh, uh, you know Like I can actually pull this off. So I will have a lot of games like that so um

Starting point is 02:39:05 Breaking it up is kind of what I do anyway. So I feel as if that's not that bad of a um thing No, that's not bad of that bad of a length for me at least based on how much I break these up anyway um But like Yeah, to do that every time in one sitting if you feel like you're gonna actually clear it Is perhaps a bit much

Starting point is 02:39:32 And then they say, uh, like when you start the game up They're like, hey, if you want to stop your run put the ps5 in a rest mode And it's like What if I want to play something else? No, just put a rest mode. There's no so there's it's there's no like no save They go, well, we don't need a save game because you just put it in a rest mode And why would you play anything else? It's like come on Come on. Okay. So this this needs to get patched up a bit. All right. They've

Starting point is 02:40:09 There's a kerfuffle. So they've talked about like, okay, maybe we'll add a save game thing And it's it's just like it's a really excellent game that I am loving playing but it has serious problems Like I very Very much would like the game to just go a little out more out of its way with its its items Yeah, um I mean, it's if it's if there's an approach they're taking which is like this is a tightly designed Uh shooter then you know a lot of that will be um Like the the good feelingness of that will be like tied to not getting too too crazy, I suppose

Starting point is 02:40:57 You know like uh, uh, I I kind of have come to appreciate and learn over the like having played a couple of these now that it's like No, no, no, there's a way to keep it tight and balanced and not be too nuts Um, but yeah, some of the wackiest fun I've had in in any of these games We've discussed is when you get a build that just like you get two things or three things that just work Insanely well together and you just kind of god blast your way through this one lucky run, you know Those are good feeling things I guess the way that I could describe it in the easiest possible terms is that on the rogue-like genre This game is the 100 complete opposite of isaac in every single category

Starting point is 02:41:43 Okay Whereas isaac is a flash game This is the most expensive 3d effects driven triple a game ever made whereas isaac has a shit zillion item combinations that make even moving or shooting Completely different like a totally different game Returnal is you're moving and shooting the same the whole time Okay, whereas isaac doesn't explain anything to you. There are detailed notes for every single items effect in return So at that kind of thing at the base level like if you're down with some solid shooting

Starting point is 02:42:21 This is going to give you that but oh, yeah, lean into it for the shooter aspect Not the rogue aspect. Yeah Yeah, okay, uh, it's it's a bummer like And it's one of those things I understand that it's a little unfair to compare any new rogue-like to something like isaac or gunjan because isaac and gunjan have had like Gunjans had three isaac's had like five Like expansion slash updates where they add like 70 new items and a bunch of of course they're they're further along their development cycles But because this game is so expensive and because runs are so long

Starting point is 02:43:02 That you often don't even see even half of the game's levels in a single run. I can't see much value in Like an expansion where they go, hey, we added three new levels and it's like yeah, but you're not going to add those levels to your run You're just going to move on to the the next series of new levels Kind of thing. Yeah, I mean even even um bpm, which uh, I went back to a couple times uh off stream Like there was a couple runs where first level just got lucky and found a super gun, you know and um You know and you kind of just be like you're like, okay

Starting point is 02:43:43 Well, like this is going to you know melt that first boss or at the very least get me up to where I was struggling No problem the the the next time and um What was it in Hades? I think it was like, uh I took like spear and I got like armor piercing stagger on like almost every hit And then the lightning strikes would hit every enemy around it in a um Like re recast pattern, you know Yeah, and I was just like oh fuck just everything's dead like melting

Starting point is 02:44:16 You know, and you just kind of have those like those lucky rolls of the dice, you know, um, yeah the Returnal really desperately needs the equivalent of the Daedalus hammers Right The Daedalus hammer and Hades in which you pick it up and you go your three hit combo has been replaced with one big chop Or instead of firing One shield you'll throw five, but they take longer to get back to you There's nothing of that equivalent. Is there like like you said, there's melee. Um, I mean, is there like any Like fun happening around that aspect of the game or are they just yeah, you you hit square and uh, you do a melee swing

Starting point is 02:44:58 And it kills the guy you're looking at Are there milled builds that are like leaning towards melee or I just told you what melee is. Okay. All right No trading off your gun for like a better melee or uh, crazy No, uh, if you hit rank three on your multiplier, your melee does more damage Okay, and there are items that are like better melee or Uh, when you kill an enemy with melee, they explode into homing missiles or something like that Yeah, okay. No, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Good. Yeah. Yeah

Starting point is 02:45:32 Cool. Yeah, that's one of the really good ones That I really like There are very few of those It's kind of a bummer. Okay um It's weird the story is really drip fed I really like it Like I was just complaining that I wasn't getting enough story earlier because of the run structure

Starting point is 02:45:52 but like The story that is going on is excellent It's real real space nightmare. Hmm And it has a fantastic fantastic act to segue That is that like makes the game way better It's weird though in the sense that like I get that vibe from the atmosphere because all of the footage screenshots and you know, uh promo material is like, yeah dark space horror space suit lady walking around

Starting point is 02:46:24 You know, um, but then these weird creepy alien Foreign looking beings like, uh, whatever alien looking beings are shooting out Giant pink lasers and giant purple bullet patterns at you. So like there's an aspect of like, okay Well, now it's doing its big video game attack You know, the big scary monster is turning hard video game for a minute. You know So, yeah, it's like you see this cool eldritch tentacle man And then he turns around you and starts pulsing out red to jumpable on the ground exactly skipping rope things. Yeah, okay

Starting point is 02:47:07 So yeah, you're gonna toho for a little and then you're gonna go back to being scared Yeah, uh, yeah the game's excellent, but it's like A Part of me Part of me wishes it was a waste simpler game so the itemization could be way crazier and part of me wishes They just made a goddamn third person shooter Like it feel it feels like trapped in between the two genres I mean if they just made a six hour first person shoot our third person shooter

Starting point is 02:47:40 like if they just did a Uh, what was that? What was the fuck it called the other ps4? um The ignite the shots kill though kill the monsters old black and white God Shoot the blink in here. I don't know what you're talking special gun shoot the powder out ignite the powder to kill the bad guys Order order 18, whatever. Yep. That's the one Yeah

Starting point is 02:48:06 If they just did a tight Six to seven hour thing of that. Yeah, the the difference was that game kind of sucked and the shooting wasn't very good If they made like a If they made like a control or an owl and wake. Yeah, no that game would have been like aces But you wouldn't have been playing it for as long you wouldn't want to spend as much time with it. It would have been a bit more dry That's true That's true But I also wouldn't be complaining as much

Starting point is 02:48:31 Okay, well, I I I did spend the money so I do want to sit down and fucking play it and um I do like the Non-commitment side of like playing a good roguelike because you don't have to worry about Well, in this case if I can't fucking Save it. That's not great But in many cases I like I like the ability to be like, okay Well, I'll just play for a bit and if I die then that'll be my half hour and I'm and I'm out

Starting point is 02:48:58 The other issue is the game's really difficult That's fine you learn, you know, oh, yeah, no, but it's like when you're playing gunjan and gunjan's really difficult To get back up to level three and gunjan takes 12 minutes It doesn't take 90 minutes And you're also seeing a bunch of different first bosses Yeah, there are six bosses in this game. Okay All right Sounds sounds good, but uh, yeah more more wacky is always you'll very much enjoy it. I really like it

Starting point is 02:49:40 Is always fun It's just that like maybe maybe i'm too hard on it because I just went through like a roguelike Sprint and played like dozens of them. Mm-hmm But it's just like it's not using the aspects of its own genre to the maximum basically If it was it'd be a 10 out of 10 bordering on 11, but as it is it's like a good it's a good niner That's my review of Returnal for the price it fucking better be Yeah, uh, I have I have a schedule up this week where it's lots of disco and near and resin evil eight Uh, it's tentative as shit because i'm getting my 5g tomorrow

Starting point is 02:50:25 But I don't know how it will affect me. It could be totally fine. It could be totally not fine at all And I don't know when i'm getting resin evil eight either And I don't know if i'm gonna beat disco elysium tomorrow or the day after So uh over twitch.tv slash pat stairs that there is a schedule it is subject to change on a moment's notice this week All right, we'll see Um now there's some shit going down this week and We there's a lot of shit going down this week There is there is and and and like let's attempt to

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Starting point is 02:51:45 Um, which one is that again lost soul aside was the game that was Being made by one guy. It's a character action style thing Um, it's it was china and it was uh Black haired main character doing wild dmc shit. Um, you know big, um appearing and disappearing blades noctis style um And yeah, uh It was it was real pretty

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Starting point is 03:01:12 And it looked pretty hot. It was a project that uh, he had been clearly um doing As a almost like a you know one man character action pet project And it was just more stylish and awesome than a lot of shit we'd seen out there But it still felt like one of those twitter projects where you'd see footage of something that someone was developing on their own

Starting point is 03:01:37 And you're like one day we'll hopefully get to play this But i don't know when like there's that other game with the guy who's holding a stop sign And i'm like man. Yeah, that stop sign thing looks really cool. I've seen a lot of rad combos I hope I can play it someday Um, but for until then in my head, it's just that cool stop sign game. You know Um lost soul aside was that really pretty? um FF looking characters, but not an ff uh character action thing well now it seems as if um the

Starting point is 03:02:12 Wow, I mean It it almost could sound like you for your stomach We're just dying a little bit and then tooting out a little fart after a big grumble in your gut Yeah, it's like you had a big grumble in your gut and then you tooted out a little bit A little bit a little too Talking about the Ending with a he baby ending with a Poop

Starting point is 03:02:42 So the so the lost soul aside footage is showing off now that apparently this dude is no longer alone He's got a team of I think 20 or 30 people. There's a studio now backing him up and um Yeah, this is a a new chinese studio has opened What is the name of it? Let me pull it up real quick. It's also gotten We haven't seen it in a while, but it seems like it's come Quite a long way because there's a lot more Shown between The boss fights. There's a whole like surfing section and a bit of a level

Starting point is 03:03:17 The studio is now ulti zero games is is the name and It's showing off, you know, there's a Just particles out the ass the first fight is with A rival type character that is just dropping golden summon swords all over the place and It's honestly one of these games where you're like just off in this 17 minutes I get the same feeling as like almost like that. Um, what was it? Like I think a wu kong was the name of the other crazy pretty game we saw Oh, was it black wu kong?

Starting point is 03:03:52 Well, yeah, something like that and there was another one too where you're just like man There's like a project D. I think it was where you're just like, okay really High expensive looking Game very pretty flashy as fuck probably Going to be a little too high octane at points Because probably there's see there's parts in this sequence where I think like the second boss It shows off at the end of the 17 minutes is like

Starting point is 03:04:20 One boss monster thing attacks the character and then runs away quickly And then immediately another set of monsters and a floating ship from the outside That's a third party start attacking and the character styles on them And then a statue in the middle breaks open and then that becomes the real thing to fight And it's like there were four separate big Style moments happening within about 15 seconds of each other and it's it's just a lot There's a lot going on the video cannot handle it Um, but yeah, it shows off like a pretty

Starting point is 03:04:55 Uh Cool move list at the very least you're seeing primarily two weapons a fast sword and a giant slower one Uh, both of which have like, uh Devil sword Dante Trails that kind of come after them. Um You can you can at one point he pulls up a shield There's a dodge button which seems to have a just frame Slowdown on on when you use it right before you get attacked

Starting point is 03:05:22 Um a couple of moments look like there's pre-canned combo sequences a bit like danse macabre Uh, but all in all it's fucking Gorgeous and very cool. Um, check out Check out these the 17 minutes of the igm put up for lost soul aside It's come a long way too. It was really gorgeous when we first saw it, but now it looks even better. Um Yeah Claws yearly await it to come out on steam And then we forget about it

Starting point is 03:05:54 Yeah, no, I I feel as if uh I I'm not going to do that. Yeah, there was claws as well and They're doing a bunch of drive drive overdrive style Shots as well like the move list looks like it's going to be pretty in-depth I can't wait to see how they explain what the control scheme is going to be for this because there's just like Tons of switching and weapon switching going on in each fight

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Starting point is 03:07:00 And it seems as if uh, many has been many have been released from the studio and those who haven't are now going to be develop support developing support for call of duty war zone So active vision done done it again And that's a bum. How many people do they need? Like I think the part that that I don't understand Is they keep taking studios and then turning them into call of duty support studios but like

Starting point is 03:07:35 Did Just just adding more people to that game infinitely Do Something like I don't like when you type the words call of duty into google the first result is call of duty dot com That says call of duty registered Best selling video game franchise Experience call of duty the world's best selling video game franchise That sentence is implies that no amount of staff you shove at it could be enough

Starting point is 03:08:15 No amount of studios you kill and and and throw into the blob Also, you know what i'm thinking I bet they burn a bunch of people out Like I bet the turnover rate is such that like every couple years They're like we need to feed it a new studio. Mm-hmm It's hungry the beast needs more Not everyone makes it of course Some get cast off and released as happened here

Starting point is 03:08:47 um But yeah digestible If you're a spyro or a crash fan pour one out What What a Uh, and then it's just such a bummer. It's activation It's activation it What's new under the sun, you know, yeah, that's true

Starting point is 03:09:22 um but What has happened is Although, uh, I did there was like a hint of it. I didn't throw this on but I saw like something implying that like, um Bobby Kotick took like a pay cut or something like that But it's like yeah, it's but it's like a gesture because he's still mostly made up of shares So yeah, he took a pay cut to his salary. Yeah, but he still makes most of his money off of the bonuses from his shares So there yeah, so it's ultimately just a gesture of meaningless. It's totally meaningless

Starting point is 03:09:55 um On the other and uh, apparently a cd project employee has Told jason schreyer that following the bloomberg report And many many internal reviews and complaints the company did a salary reevaluation And bumped up wages for some of the company's lowest paid staff including qa Well, that's appreciated. That's good after they after they made them fall on their sword Yeah, so I mean between the Kotick thing and this uh as well I was hearing about, um

Starting point is 03:10:36 uh um Yeah, a punch mom was telling me about wage ratios and like the um And there's uh economic institutions that are kind of like looking into wage ratios, which is essentially the uh The difference between the lowest paid employee and the highest paid employee at a company and uh There are apparently places that are that are Trying to show that it can function if and I have to look into this more because again

Starting point is 03:11:05 I've just been told about it and and I'm looking at the the the basic descriptor of it But like if you close the distance between that It incentivizes the company to Pay your In order for CEOs to make more money They have to pay their lowest paid employees more money and the close and the closer you make that gap The obviously the more you bring up everyone in your company You and it and then you self incentivize that until they change the rule to just pay themselves as much as they want

Starting point is 03:11:35 And then they fire a third of their workforce so they can get bigger bonuses So there are organizations that are trying to figure out if uh because they're saying that you can have it be at a 10 to 1 ratio For example, and that is a fair Place you can be where it would um Again incentivize increasing the standard for your lowest paid workers um, and that's uh

Starting point is 03:12:00 You know in contrast to where it's at without Any sort of attempt at keeping it together where you have what does it say here 120 to 1 in the year 2000 in a typical Example or what was the ridiculous one? There was a crazy thing I think it was Yeah, here we go 3101 to 1 for mcdonald's Right, I have to say like it's interesting

Starting point is 03:12:31 A bunch of people with degrees thinking up math reasons for why this would work is one thing, but at the end of the day Bobby Kotak is going to look at that and go. Fuck you make me of course and unless somebody literally makes him Of course it won't matter. Yes, but Putting it having the discussion about whether it's plausible possible what it would look like as in Someone who if someone is in economics and they study this stuff It's still important to do. Yeah, it would look like it did 60 years ago A time period that it was within living memory

Starting point is 03:13:10 Okay, so Sorry, I don't get it like are you is your tone implying they shouldn't look into the average pay of a ceo Compared to say the lowest paid employee used to be about like 1 to 40 Back in like the 40s and 50s It is now to the point of thousands Because they kept giving themselves more money because the people in charge of deciding where the money go Get to say I should have more money Mm-hmm

Starting point is 03:13:38 So unless you just make them, they're just gonna give themselves more money And particularly in the games business and particularly with activision the fastest way To give themselves more money is right before the bonuses come out They just fire a percentage of the company Of more money that they want So it's like I mean the understanding of like yeah, you could totally do all these wage shenanigans It's all it's been A foregone conclusion for decades and decades

Starting point is 03:14:11 But until you just file some kind of regulatory nonsense that makes them go Anything but I should have the more of the money Well, certainly I go I should have more of the money But there's nothing wrong with exploring these possibilities and doing research into like These outcomes, but yeah, obviously there's a point at which the action thing is a separate step that is You know I don't know researching in how good a company would run if the ceo made less money is Actually a complete waste of time unless it's backed by a way to make the ceo make less money

Starting point is 03:14:50 I don't think researching things is a waste of time. I I I don't you know, I think I mean, it's it's we woolly we know Like I think there's A benefit to finding out stuff there, but Anyway, um But yeah, the part where they go just know make me is absolutely a fucking wall there But anyway, it's an interesting thing that I'm that I that I

Starting point is 03:15:23 Didn't an interesting a series of things that I'm hearing about that. I didn't know Was being looked into Here's what will matter more keep putting those devil horns on Bobby Coddick's fucking photos everybody So he can't get like I'm really mad I Make some very upset blows up his dates It's the funniest shit in the world dude It's the funniest shit in the world

Starting point is 03:15:48 for real Uh, so Let's start with sony a lot of announcements coming out of there First said the hiroki to toki the cfo Revealed they're planning to heavily increase investment in first party efforts over 183 million in the coming year Uh, so uh shit like Returnal I guess is is This is gonna be more of that um, which

Starting point is 03:16:23 Kind of makes sense with the start of a generation. I suppose Uh, here's my question is is Is that going to be new stuff or is it gonna be We're gonna give the god of war team 80 more million dollars this year Or we're gonna buy other mid-sized suit studios To to put shit out right with our name on it. There's always that possibility um The

Starting point is 03:17:01 They're also investing in discord and planning to integrate it in to playstation in 2022 Well, that makes sense because um sony's chat shit on the playstation is like the worst It's so bad Wasn't there a story about microsoft courting discord not too long ago as well Yeah, absolutely Yeah, so I I seem to recall something about like discord not necessarily wanting to be sold entirely Uh, but they were appraised and then microsoft was looking at them but now um

Starting point is 03:17:43 It seems like sony interactive entertainment has taken a minority stake In the company. So they're not buying out discord, but they're buying a chunk of it They're spending money so the discord has to be their friend And uh have to sit at our lunch table you do you you definitely do And then the third thing they're spending money on or rather making money on this time around Is uh some details coming out about the uh

Starting point is 03:18:22 Yeah from email from sony to epic games in 2018 Dispissing the idea of cross play for fortnite epic games pitched cross play to announce um With sony that epic goes out of its way to make sony look like heroes And then uh, there is a cross platform revenue share that exists Where sony has to uh or sony gets royalties to offset the reduction in revenue from enabling cross play in a game

Starting point is 03:18:54 Sucks sony is essentially saying do you want cross play pay us more? Yeah So and like what what a bunch of dicks um So if a game Supports cross play everywhere except for on playstation. It's likely because they don't want to pay that revenue Share that extra amount for that uh, which fucking You know blows for the consumer end of things obviously, you know

Starting point is 03:19:26 But yeah, this is bullshit I mean crap I guess that I guess that means that like Yeah power rangers battle for the grid just took the hit You know Yeah, but not in not every game or wasn't important enough for sony to go You owe us a million dollars. Maybe it's like past 50 grand and they're like, okay Possibly this document was uh

Starting point is 03:19:56 Particular to that thing But we don't know if this is something that they're doing standard at this point for for for every game that requests it But you know if if if a game like battle for the grid or whatever just has to like stomach that hit and be like Yeah, we want the game to be you know, we want it to be a universal experience for everyone on all platforms And then they just fucking take that then like That's lame. That's shitty Um again not not consumer friendly there What

Starting point is 03:20:29 Meanwhile Microsoft is cutting the 30 fee it usually takes On pc games to 12 percent In a bit to compete with steam and entice developers to the windows store What do you want are you are you upset about microsoft changing its pricing? I don't think I don't think that's going to be enough to

Starting point is 03:21:05 entice people Oh no, because epic also pays the millions and millions and millions of dollars I think the windows store is going to need a little bit more than that to throw its hat in the ring It holds it literally goes a gunpoint. You're going to sell two million copies. Okay. We'll pay you that Yeah, now epic holds you at gunpoint, but like pays you to be at gunpoint They pull a loaded gun out and they point it at your head and then they start sending you tons of money, but they keep the gun um I don't see how microsoft is going to jump in third wheel here and just start fucking

Starting point is 03:21:47 Shaking things up, but hey sure cutting that fee down. It's a start. We'll see we'll see I'm sure devs appreciate it. Mm-hmm um And then of course talking about fees on platforms epic versus apple Has commenced the trial began at 8 30 a.m Pacific time it's it's been a mess in oakland And there is a live audio feed of the proceedings

Starting point is 03:22:22 But that's not all There was an announcement that there would be a live audio feed and it turns out That it's more than just an audio feed Because the ninth district court cannot figure out how to mute attendees to the public call it was a fucking zoom call So epic versus apple has kids talking on discord simultaneously trolling the call uh flaming Racial slurs and now travis scott music All playing and the and the judge is like, I don't know how to turn this off. How do I turn this off?

Starting point is 03:22:58 Judge evan gonzalez rogers appears to be struggling To figure out what a perfect start. What a perfect start how to stop the kids Uh, yeah yeah so I I skimmed those court documents for the real case and like I'm not a lawyer, but from a You know non-lawyer perspective Epic looks like a bunch of fucking goons and jokers like they look like idiots

Starting point is 03:23:30 What was the quote? Um apple shows numbers similar To expert testimony. We've covered estimating that ios is a small fraction of the fortnight user va user base Open quotation makes you kind of wonder what we're doing here closed quotation It's like the epic's main argument is that the 30 percent rate that apple set on its Store is ridiculous and isn't worth it

Starting point is 03:24:02 And has no industry standard and apple keeps going like Steam It costs 30 percent like this like sony and microsoft do And back when you guys were selling retail pc games You guys took 60 percent. It was almost the same like what the fuck are you talking about like Yeah

Starting point is 03:24:30 Yeah, um Unfortunately, this will not lead to any Satisfying conclusions soon. This is going to take a while before anything ends or wraps up or whatever the case may be, but um Epic clown shoes day one Apple pulled like a nice little Uh Little trick on them where I remember so uh epic made it so you could buy fortnight bucks wherever and then use them on your ios account

Starting point is 03:25:01 And then apple was like what the fuck? And that's what got them kicked off um the when uh when Epic was like they're charging 30 percent apples like you can just totally buy fortnight bucks anywhere and and use them

Starting point is 03:25:22 Like they're using the thing they did to get themselves kicked off as proof that apple isn't wrong in the first place As they like no, you don't need to buy fortnight bucks on the ios store. You can totally buy it on the website Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if um At any point they're gonna like Present the campaign. I assume it's going to be a part of this discussion, but it's like The the part of this where epic went on this ridiculous public like fucking

Starting point is 03:25:56 righteous 1984 campaign is is The most embarrassing aspect because it kind of like again anyone who's looking at this going. Yeah, fuck these two let these giants fight whoever wins Who cares? um for let them fight Right the babies shit on each other, but when one company specifically is acting like Ridiculous like putting the clown makeup on as it goes on It's not a it's it's it's hard to not want to see them eat it harder in the in the in the the long run

Starting point is 03:26:28 So it's oh my god, and then and then the fucking box the collector's box with the shirt and shit. Oh, yeah It's like I don't know how they could possibly argue that like the thing was in good faith when they had like the campaign ready to Go within like six hours Like there were shirts there was merchandise they printed merch they sold birch like come on Yeah, I hope that gets introduced and discussed in the case that would be really interesting to See if it's considered in any way shape or form your honor. I'd like to call tim sweeney to the stand. He is a um dumb bitch

Starting point is 03:27:11 Can we put that on the record? Can we play the song that Fortnite put out called play it for the jury Play it for the jury Can we can we get a situation? I'd like to I'd like everyone in the in the in the court to watch the judge you'd like to watch this The video apple put sorry epic put out the 1984

Starting point is 03:27:41 I I put forward to the court that this is cringe You want to help tim sweeney recognizes that this is cringe. Yes, you're a fan of tim sweeney. You want to help tim sweeney? Introduce him to some older woman Hide his camcorder Anyway, we'll see where this goes Yeah, this lawsuit is cringe the whole thing that yeah, it's it's just straight cringe It's embarrassing Also, we find out that out of the hundreds of millions of people

Starting point is 03:28:26 That play fortnight only about 10 million of them are on ios which means It's like the whole fight is over like one to two percent of the total like Like what you're fighting all this posturing All this merch all this like Set up to talk about like to imply that their bottom line is being crippled Acting as if their their kneecaps are getting busted out and it turns out to be the most minimal nothing of their enormous fan base

Starting point is 03:29:01 Yeah It's it's like oh And again by trying to make more money they actually lost a significant amount of money Do you think it's possible that like tim was just really really adamant about going hard in this direction? And everyone on the board members on the fucking team all the way down We're trying to rein it in as much as possible while he wanted to go full steam ahead Absolutely not. However, what I do think is possible is that tim and five dudes on the board were like a hundred percent Go for it. Okay, there were two guys on the board and literally the entire management structure directly underneath them

Starting point is 03:29:45 That were like you stupid stupid motherfuckers. Don't do you stupid You think if anyone pulls out an iphone at lunch that he'll just smack it out of their hands No, absolutely not. They all have iPhones And after the end of the after the end of the at the end of the The trial or whatever the fuck this is They're all gonna laugh and all go out to dinner together and then just jerk and fart off on each other And be like ha ha ha and then eat money You mean snort

Starting point is 03:30:25 No They're gonna print out benjamins and just eat them Okay, can you not can you not right now, please? Uh, all right, if you'd like to send a letter you can send it to castle super beast mail at gmail.com We've got a couple coming in over here super beast mail at gmail.com Uh, we got one coming in from Jared hey shit lords greeting from the burned out husk of detroit Recently gave the witcher series my sixth attempt at a playthrough

Starting point is 03:31:01 Whereas I bounced off every other time something finally clicked and I fell in love with it The same thing happened to me with the musician wood kid Simply put is there anything you've tried to like but were repulsed by only to eventually love it after many tries at it I Know what my answer is Hmm DMC is not doesn't count because they made the game better I want to yell out penis, but no that's that's not it. Um

Starting point is 03:31:45 I just think it'd be funny. No, it's it's the soul series. It's the soul series for me a hundred percent Hmm See my preconceived notions were not based on touching it though. So that doesn't really count for me To to you know for for that to work. It needs to be something I've touched and like didn't like and then came back to Yeah, I don't know. I don't know Yeah, I I played demon souls four times or three times and like until the time that I got it I was like this is a this is a fucking stupid game for idiots Who would like this and witcher one was also like this I had to play it

Starting point is 03:32:21 I I only got into it on the second try. Have you ever seen witcher one woolly? Like seen it If I have it's not something I remember It is fucked up Is a fucked up game I've heard this is how tweets happen. You see that you see what's happening right now. Yeah. Yeah Now you've made you've made it quite clear how bad witcher one is. Um Oh, I love that game. It's great

Starting point is 03:32:55 Is a great game It is terrible. I hate it Don't play it. It's fantastic Yeah, I don't I can't think of anything where like I touched it and then stopped and then came back and and bounced off and stopped And then came back. Yeah, usually you know what you like or I'm I I have an impression of something before I touch it And then I'm and then it's my impression is wrong You know that is A lot

Starting point is 03:33:27 A lot I remember when you wrote off the dark souls series because you saw a guy in medieval armor It's what I literally just said like four minutes ago. That's what I said Yeah, I'm repeating because I was listening to you. Yeah Didn't play any of the monster hunter games didn't touch them. Um Just trying it's good that it's good that you didn't Monster hunter might be a series that like it's good to get in as late as possible Because if if you're repelled by it, you're repelled strongly

Starting point is 03:34:02 Um I can think of stuff that I've bounced off of but I never it never came back around on And that's just a list of things that makes people upset. So we can just ignore that. What do you got? What do you got? We can just ignore it. There's no reason to go down this road. What sucks There's no benefit to getting down this road because it's just making it's just makes people that are fans upset about things So we don't we can yeah, you're right. There's no reason You know You can say the world will end with this conversation. That's not even what I was thinking of

Starting point is 03:34:36 I don't care That that one's for me sure Seiken densetsu, you know really yeah, which one all of them I tried bounced off didn't Didn't dig it I mean, I I appreciate it, but I don't I don't care for it You know

Starting point is 03:35:07 Yeah Uh Here's one coming in from Oh, hey, it was a piece of news uh steam database found out there's going to be outer wilds dlc Okay, it's called the eye of the vortex or something Okay Did that game that's it. That's all I got. Does that make sense with Yeah, that game. Oh, did you not beat it? Not yet

Starting point is 03:35:39 Oh, you should no, I know Okay uh We got one coming in here from uh I guess bless This was what it's tagged by but uh, okay

Starting point is 03:35:56 Dear true toy and burger dad, I was invited to the amazon luna early access program and accepted it on reading the page details I discovered this insanity the controller does not connect to your local streaming device The controller connects directly to the game server itself to reduce latency. Yeah, that's what they announced I thought you'd appreciate the insanity. Yeah, that's actually that is what they said it would do um See it's so fast It doesn't even connect to the box that you have So why would you even have fuck it?

Starting point is 03:36:29 If if if gene can do the test and show us what that looks like Then wonderful Wonderful, you know Though the idea of the controller that doesn't connect to the thing in front of you is kind of wild um also if your Uh serve if your service goes down Then you can't interface with the console anymore

Starting point is 03:36:57 Well Yeah You can't why would you want to? Like your whole network disconnected message means that like you can't actually Interact with your thing because it's just it's sitting in front of you can't turn it off You probably have to get up Or use your phone maybe You know, it's a great idea like a really fantastic idea

Starting point is 03:37:29 Mandating wi-fi for inputs Anyway, uh, that's that's wild shit, but that's reports coming in from the luna front lines Everything I hear about that from people that have been messing with it is that like If you thought stadia was bad get ready for this fucking thing nice It's good Well, do you think any of the games from amazon are gonna come out like even a single one? I'm trying to think of what I can wager Because

Starting point is 03:38:15 I'm not oh, I'm not betting you No way because I will I will put it down. I will fucking You know, yeah um It's It's rough out there, man. They can't Get it together. I just

Starting point is 03:38:38 You know in one form or another Um, they're gonna buy at least another two studios before something comes out Oh, yeah Uh, we got one over here Uh, steven says hey Patrick dactyl and woolly mammoth Recently found those. I mean, it's literally my entire childhood, but sure Uh, recently

Starting point is 03:39:04 I've been playing the halo master chief collection during a week. They announced they had a Team fiesta playlist running for those who don't know team fiesta is when Uh, you spawn with randomized weapons instead of a set loadout one thing that uh, I've been doing Is I'd find it odd and I'm the only one using weapons that I spawn with not picking up anything I find on the ground I'm sticking with the brute shot and plasma rifle. I spawned instead of picking up fully loaded rocket launcher on the ground It allows practice using weapons that I typically don't use in well to multiplayer A lot forces me to be creative with what I'm given um

Starting point is 03:39:41 So my question is do you have any self-imposed rules you place on yourself when you're playing a multiplayer game either for the challenge or That makes the game feel more fun Uh, yeah, I usually I don't I don't like self-imposed rules Well in in a for in a single player game. We always talk about the no items in um character action Oh, man. I'm at the point where I forget those things even exist So like it's not a self-imposed rule. It's just I literally don't know. It's even there. Yeah

Starting point is 03:40:11 I mean, they obviously they detract from your score. So that's a major disincentive but in When when wonderful 101 had items that did not detract from your score It was the weirdest fucking thing ever to be like, oh, no use this anyway It's like but that's not what we've been doing for a long time now Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no I just had like my I just had like a mind break moment I was looking at the chat and after I had said I don't like self-imposed rules To which people point out pat you you use dozens of self-imposed rules all the time

Starting point is 03:40:51 And my brain went no, no, no, that's different. Those are my rules. Those are the rules And then I'm like, oh, no, that's a crazy thing to say This is just the way it must be done. That's not yourself imposed. That's a that's a oh, no No Like you can't use consumable items. That's not my rule. That's the rule of course Like goblins are Here and they're and they're the they impose the correct things that must be

Starting point is 03:41:35 Sure, it has to it has to be Like it's one of those things where like I'll be doing something and Paige will be like, why are you doing it like that? I'm like, because that's the way you do it And she goes no, but What but why are you doing it this way? I'm like because that's the way it's done The closest thing I can think of in a multiplayer context is once Me and my friends found License to kill mode in 007. We never went back

Starting point is 03:42:05 We never went back It was just infinitely more fun to play with one hit one shot one death It was just the flow of the game is better. It's faster. It's just more tense Everything is holy shit. There's wacky moments of rounding a corner and seeing who could do a slap chop first everybody panics Yeah, it's it's just a much funner game on license to kill So whenever I play later on the you know with other people who are just on normal I'm just like I I legit I legitimately like the game less if there's a life bar in a shield It reminds me, uh, it's funny because the it's not self-imposed

Starting point is 03:42:41 Uh, but the mode that he's describing fiesta mode and halo There's a version of that with his self-imposed rule in some of the black ops games called gun game Which is my favorite call of duty mode ever um, which is uh, everybody starts with one weapon and it's It's a it's the same sequence of weapons for everyone And it's like okay. Everyone starts with a shotgun when you kill somebody with a shotgun You get the mp5 when you kill somebody with the mp5 you get a sniper rifle when you kill somebody with a sniper rifle you get the knife and

Starting point is 03:43:16 you must Get that kill to switch to the next weapon and the first person who goes through the entire roster of guns is the winner Cool and it's a it's a blast. It's a ton of fun. You can't just specialize Yeah Gun game is fantastic. That sounds fun. I like that Yeah, because you get in the situation where one guy just pulls way ahead And then he gets a sniper rifle, which he sucks with and just can't Make it happen

Starting point is 03:43:48 It's great, uh The only other self-imposed rule. I guess I can think of is Uh, when playing guns the duel back in the day, don't be a stupid cheating shit Well, yeah, don't cheat is No, that's not a self-imposed rule. That's that's a that's a real rule Oh, how about don't how about um, dueling in

Starting point is 03:44:15 The jedi night games before the mechanic was like Uh, uh, it made you invulnerable Like, uh Because I'm I'm thinking like wasn't because this was I think um, I'm trying to remember if like my my brother because he was The one that like originally got me into these games couldn't you play, um The multiplayer and have like just 1v1s

Starting point is 03:44:44 and like not get interference with uh, uh Oh, I don't I don't know that's ages ago. Yeah, there was there was something I might I might be misremembering but I there was a I remember eventually in like jedi outcast or jedi academy 2 or I forget which but And the they've they put in the system where you two people see each other and you can both duel and you can like both bow and then begin a Like no one can interfere where 1v1ing and like we're now completely Untouchable to the rest of the the deathmatch

Starting point is 03:45:19 you know Thing and then like there was like self-imposed versions of that where you can meet up with somebody somewhere and just do 1v1s instead of uh Just chaotic deathmatch stuff Huh, yeah, it was and it was a courtesy System at least we think of for honor For honor had some of that too. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Do you wait the team the team battles Fucking get in there. Yeah, the team battle. Yeah, that was a fun little like, you know, you stand on the side and you're like, okay

Starting point is 03:45:48 My turn you lost that's true. Mm-hmm That's going way back And you did a nuzlocke so that counts. I did do a nuzlocke Wait, if I was since I was only there for the last two hours, do I get to say that I also did the nuzlocke? Sure, I did the nuzlocke sure I've what you know, it's funny. I've won a nuzlocke run. I didn't even play it. That's crazy All right, that'll do her I did it Okay, anything else I have to say before we because I it's awkward

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