Castle Super Beast - CSB 121: If You Had One Nut (feat. Docsquiddy)

Episode Date: June 1, 2021

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hello everyone hey willy welcome back from uh... wherever the non-existence realm you are at of the realm of back pain yes that's right where i went and hello also to our guests doc berford or at doc squitty on twitter hey man what up hey uh... just looking at pictures in ms's from resident evil three good what why

but i don't know it was on twitter okay that's cool that's the girl absent energy that we want we want that distracted uh... not quite fully there strong but is it from re three years it's like from the dead by daylight version it's already looks

uh... okay because he looks so many pictures of like every version and i was just it's summer had a terribly much better than others makes sense so what's up only is just mirror was his face a little weird in that that by daylight trailer

uh... his face was actually way more weird in the remake itself uh... so it stems further back okay so uh... in the three remake his face was like pretty good except for his teeth his teeth were like completely flat and like no jagged edges and in the dead by daylight one his teeth are a little more fucked up and a little more realistic but otherwise very the same

i was looking at it i was like yeah that seems a little different from the last time i saw him ultimate marvel versus capcom three correct uh... anyway so yes uh... welcome is a pleasure to have you with us doc um... uh... for any year

yeah for anyone uh... who's not in the know uh... doc squitty as uh... he's known on twitter uh... is the genius behind adios the game that we were pumping up big i would say a couple uh... weeks ago and and paratopic my favorite game that i don't understand at all uh... in general the what we were describing as a work of short narrative genius not to uh...

pilot on here but that she was pretty cool man i mean i had fun watching right just seeing you know the responses to it watching both you can play it how you are reacting it's like very few things are as validating is that just watching somebody play your game and like get it and i felt like both you got what i was going for which make me really really

happy i don't think i work of genius but you know what was the it was the intention behind the dinner scene that uh... the farmer is so nervous that he has trouble making himself dinner uh... so i'm trying to figure out the nicest way to say this uh... our our programmer and i had a little bit of an argument cameron is a a

wonderful person uh... but we were arguing about how to implement the scene and he uh... he really wanted to make it physics-based and i was like i don't i don't know if we can for good enough to do that yet uh... so it's a physics-based scene i i i think maybe in hindsight it would have been better if it wasn't physics

based and you know you click on where it goes and it just appears there uh... but it's just based on that leads to you know unintentional comedy to me having a last meal was really important for that scene like i really wanted the player to consider go what would i get for my last meal which is one of the reasons why there's a uh... the breakfast burrito in the in the fridge is like you could just eat a

breakfast burrito is your last meal you could do it uh... but it doesn't have to be that you can cook your own last meal and so i tried to you know put a few meals in there but because it's physics-based i think it's a little it's our team's first time making a game

together i read it but it is what it is was that i was very nervous okay i was gonna say how did your cooking go because mine mine was a struggle mine i i like outright failed and i think i had to restart from a checkpoint yeah okay it's just well um...

i mean it's it's like i don't i don't uh... uh... throw the term around in general but no i really do say narrative genius because i do feel that like um... there aren't a lot of games i experienced that have like just up a ridiculous like a really specific attention put towards the writing

you know um... yeah and the way that like in a really short experience you get uh... pretty much all the context you need uh... from just

like what's mise en scene and like what and and and the the relationship to character these two characters have and it's the kind of thing that i'm like i want more video games that are like this just like a short narrative really tight story you know i i think a big part of that was because of how we started right like a lot of people when they start with the game i was reading

a reddit thread by some guy and he's like how do you guys come up with your game mechanics like i'm trying to come up with the core loop and he's talking about like very sort of video game academic like oh i just learned how to make games on youtube terminology which is which is what you get when you're new um... but he's talking about like what he's trying to like make a game and i'm just like

i read an article about a person who fell down in her pig pen after a seizure and was eaten by her pigs and that was really interesting to me because it it felt sad and i wanted to capture that feeling so i sat down and i planned out the game in just a couple of like discord conversations and like it was about a month and then we had it pitched um... and we were gdc talking to people about like hey do you want to give us money so we can make this really weird game of course

every reaction was what the fuck um... but we i i d xbox gave us a little bit of cash to help us get going and and we made the game cause of it i don't think it would have worked without the voice acting so we we could have made it for free with like no voices

it would not have been as good no oh man it no definitely not would have not worked at all without the voice acting you need that yeah like it's it like reading that script out would be you know like a kind of interesting little kind of diddy but like it's memorable because of the voice acting i would say

um... and i think i had to go back and change the movement too uh... just because the voice actors would read lines differently and it was we were better because of that like they would be like huh maybe this sounds better and then they they ask if they could do it and i'd be like absolutely go for it and they do it and it was

just incredible so it's not just my script the actors they changed it a little bit like it's not like most of those forty seven hundred words or so are mine but there are just some sentences that i had to go back and like change in the actual text and i think i missed one because people commented on it uh... i think woolly in your stream

they're like hey the subtitles don't match the thing it's like fuck i missed one um... but yeah sorry yeah no are you telling me narrative genius behind audios that it is not a soul invention of your own twisted mind

nothing is i mean i mean that's just the truth of it right you gotta go out with people do you guys remember that old i think it was i g n article uh... might have been pc gamer that was interviewing war inspector and the quote i was like i was like i really think that like individuals get too much credit it's it's a huge team effort and then the end quote and says says war inspector creator of the thief and day sex franchises

mhm it's like fucking come on i think uh... uh... party like like after you know thinking about it uh... uh... well after completion uh... take away that i i dig is that i'm something i'm always like a fan of and and and i look for is uh... familiar stories or ideas

uh... told from a different perspective that kind of present you with you know uh... more insight on something that would otherwise be dismissed and uh... to relate it to this the vibe i get is like this kind of story would be a side quest in a game about about the mafia guy

this is the kind of story where if you're playing you know uh... some big action game in your you have uh... lnr are gonna be aimed down the sights and shoot your gun then you're gonna have a side quest where you have someone you go talk to and then you have to make this tough decision and then in the end you do your job and go back and get your pay in the story goes on because whatever but

yeah but just but just kind of like taking the camera and putting it over here instead you get to focus on more minute that more you know like subtle things and then like go look at his uh... his pop can collection have that have the the phone calls that you have and all these things that you otherwise wouldn't spend spend attention telling or or really like uh... doing in a game that was about the action guy

you know yeah it's so the first game that i thought of that that kind of actually takes place in this world i didn't even realize was in this world uh... because there's several right but uh... the very first one was actually audios too obviously hasn't been made yet but that game starts with you at a uh... fried rice stand

uh... like on a beach somewhere and you're making food for people and then some guy comes up and he's like hey i know you you're that guy that used to kill people and i want you to kill somebody for me or i'm gonna tell people that you know you're not actually dead uh... because he faked his death it took me years to realize oh that's hitman so audios too is going to be hitman's game

but it's a very different game uh... then still the action thing like it's still still going for that goal of like telling a story that's not the kind of story to expect and that's and it's because i played so many games that are like the same kind of story that is boring like what i want to make something somebody else made

when i could make something i haven't seen before precise now i was i was sitting there at gdc and uh... there's a person named kevin and kevin was giving a talk on a game called i want to say southern monsters or southern monster uh... i believe and it's a game they kick-started adventure game about a uh...

living in arkansas and they they mentioned something about how some people had comments like oh i've been to this house like that you have art from like i know what this house is even i've never actually been to the game house like i recognize this space and for me it was like a light bulb just you know flicking on my head like that's what i've been chasing this whole time and i finally

somebody's put it to words just me sitting here in the stock listening it was like i want to make sure that that's what i'm capturing and so let me kind of center in on like what i'd i'd already been thinking about but didn't have words for and that kind of became my my goal for everything after uh... select you know i'd be driving driving past

beat-up car place and had all these old cars out front one was an alchemy knows like i was going to that is the ugliest car i've i've ever seen like i love alchemy knows they're just terrible cars and so i've been putting one in every game that i have since obviously you know when i freelance on something like hard spaceship breaker i can't put an alchemy know in that game uh... but you know when i have control when i can do it you know obviously if i

make a fantasy game in alchemy knows not going to make sense when i can put it in another game i mean it's true i don't know that i might find a way to put an alchemy know in a fantasy game for the time being what i'm doing is you know trying to make these like spaces that feel real and lived in in a way that uh... game often doesn't because the game is like copying what movies are doing

like you know you play grant that dot o five it's like all these guys just really like martin scorsese play red dead redemption oh hey look at sandpack and pop i i want to be like no this is this is like a thing you haven't seen before it's familiar but it's it's making you consider it in a way you haven't someone's looking for little details like drove past a sushi bar one time and they had like you know we have all these things and then they just had it like

x'd out one of their dishes on the sign and i'm like why would they why would they x'd out like one dish like wise takoyaki suddenly x'd out right and you could put a little details like that in there and then you can have a conversation when they talk about it so when i talk about the chestnut trees not yes i know a lot of people are like what's the point right i grew up

and i i worked for a guy who was uh... he wouldn't tell me where he found one but he found an actual chestnut tree that had not caught the blight and he's like it's a secret i can't tell anyone if it ever gets out like a bunch of people try to go you know see it or whatever could get contaminated like to him it was this treasure he was protecting and that was really fascinating to me that

that obsession with like chestnut trees you know i put that in the game partly for that reason partly because i really want to show off sol uh... because we only get like a couple scenes with him but he has an entire game like i want to give him a whole game

but having him kind of show up in that scene and and read it wrong like go oh is this you know seeing this chestnut trees that like don't trust outsiders and farmers like no it's not about that actually i don't know what it's about that was important to me we get sol and we'll understand him more later because

the real quote unquote genius of this game is in planning seeds for like a bunch of different games and if even one of them comes up we're gonna be like oh my god he did it and like yeah i was hedging my bets okay is one of those games horse game yes yes one of those games horse game uh... though

you know that'll be allen wake size uh... video like it's really me making an allen wake fan game almost right except the bad guys are horses uh... when i get to make that game i'm really excited about it so but you know please look forward to the adio verse

probably recording this term right now the adio verse i i think i've just been calling it the text max universe sure because all the all the games that all the names in the universe except for horse game uh... which has a different name uh... all the game names i have for that are text max related

uh... like the the one about the el camino where they talk about giving it to a guy who's fighting the gulf war uh... which is you know weird because the game is in nineteen ninety two so it's weird that the gulf war is still ongoing but there are reasons for that is that

said i'm saying is resurrecting ish tar the goddess of the dead uh... that's all of the thing uh... the ad that that guy has his own game uh... and he's kind of i see the main character of the universe but the the character slick who's mentioned there shows up in every single game or at least is referenced in every single game

in the universe and lea excited by him he's he's like my favorite character ever he's just incredibly sad and has just great ads uh... i'm gonna slide right past that's not who's saying in ish tar comment yeah i'm gonna take a second here i'm seeing it i'm watching the live chat while you're talking dog and i see a lot of like just uh... overt confusion

and as somebody who's been talking to talk for quite a while no he's not joking he actually means that in the background of audios ish Tars being resurrected it's a whole thing yes a lot of people ask me you know like how do you come up with your ideas or whatever it's like because very simple i take pride

in coming up with ideas that sound impossible in making impossible like nobody thought adios could get made except the nice people microsoft work i made like when people heard it like oh this is game at a pig farmer who you know doesn't want to dispose of bodies from up in the morning like what does that even look like you know they couldn't they couldn't envision what that game might be and i take it like a perverse pleasure in

being like it's this and it works somehow uh... you know that's that's where the fun is is like like coming up with the impossible and the next game probably gonna be a waifu simulator uh... but you know that's that's a whole other that's a little bit related to the tech smacks

it's not it's not it's it's the cheapest game we think we can make based on the amount of money we made from selling adios we can't just go into project d or any other projects i want to make can't make it the big open world rpg i want to make uh... you know but the boys got cursed to have a head of a cow i can't do anything like that so

for now we're making a waifu slash husband of simulator uh... that's uh... a small like isometric rpg uh... uh... my favorite part of these uh... meaningful scenes that are written in uh... is uh... my ability to any percent speedrun qa skip them

one-frame links into a bug skips because apparently that's a thing when you skip when you skip the dog for me that like the whole game builds to that scene and then you got past it in camera just like sitting there going what the fuck cuz i mean we found it's like oh yeah there's about a one-second window where if you if you do something with the phone right before it it will

actually skip that scene so we patch it it shouldn't be skippable anymore god i mean you can only do so much qa especially when it's two people who are running out of money and we you know we've got nothing left in the tank basically i mean but also also i'm like no my my

my testing aura is it comes out even when i don't want it to happen on stream constantly uh... some people have it some people don't you page and shy break everything you fucking touch i seem to be spared from this curse but you like every time i see you do anything that shit just completely flies apart but it's like the part of it we're grateful for it it helps us we're great so it means we can

fix it that no sure i i didn't write up a bug report and submit it to the database but i thought those days are behind me but they're they're following me in everything i play uh... but the fact though that like it was the like it wasn't like one of the beginning or middle things it was like those those final scenes it builds up to give you kind of like

one of these is gonna break you either your phone call or the dot one of these scenes is going to annihilate you the player and pick and choose which one almost you know and i mean funny because right after right after really beat audio so i talked to him about it as i all man that dog seems best in the game is that really because i felt that the phone call was the best in the game is like it's

it's fascinating because i was it go ahead i was just gonna say what's what's so great about your observation there is that's the reaction i'm seeing to the game people mentioned one of the two scenes like they all of them are like those scenes the ones they always zero in on they'll talk about the other scenes but like those ones and i mean that's the point though right like i wrote the game building up to those

scenes so i know they're gonna happen and like i'm building everything to get you there it's it's like you know people always talk about the punchline in a joke they don't talk about the setup that much but you need that setup to get the punchline otherwise you know if you just shout to get to the other side who gets a shit right and it's the same with with like horror games you you can't have horror unless you had terror building up to it or people are afraid

you know people are always like oh i prefer the horror games when there's that sense of like creeping dread that builds up to whatever the shock is right well yeah it's it's it's literally all joke construction setup payoff that's it and that's what those scenes are is they are they are the payoff and it's really interesting how people respond to one or the other more it's it makes me really happy it's like i covered everybody hmm yeah it it really that's the thing like i like after

uh again like yeah pat brought that up i was just like yeah okay no this whichever hits closer to home like these are two experiences that a lot of people are gonna have you know and it and it absolutely just uh it nailed that well i'm glad i was able to like load back in and and get the dog scene you know but uh mm-hmm yeah those are those are definitely the two that stand out i'm curious how do you feel about the term walking simulator so i love it but that's because

so unlike a lot of people who grew up you know oh i had this console when i was really young i have fond memories playing games with my parents blah blah whatever i don't have any of that my parents hated video games they think they're evil i still get like a couple weeks before audios came out my my dad actually texted me basically said god does not support you making this game okay so i'm i'm kind of fighting against a current um it was much longer than that but that's the gist of it um i'm kind of fighting you know against

current to to get games made right i don't have that kind of familial support that a lot of my other dev friends that would like oh yeah i was talking with my you know my brother my sister about this game of it and i don't i don't have any of that so as a result there are very few games i was allowed to play growing up like a couple educational games geosafari number maze organ trail um dad got upset at amazon trail when he found out there's like a mystic panther in it and so he stopped letting us play it um but uh one game that they did let

me play was microsoft flight simulator and that's how i got into modifying airplanes like the first time i used the internet was so that i could get more planes for flight simulator um one time a friend came over and we were talking about it was like yeah this is the only game dad lets me play and i heard dad yell from the other room it's not a game it's a simulator uh so that was how he justified it i guess was that it's a simulator it's not a game so it's okay but as a result i have a huge affinity for affection for flight simulators and once i dropped out of flight school

because my health was bad and they're like yeah even though you're an amazing pilot you're not going to be allowed to fly planes for real anymore um you got to figure out some new career path that was like my entire life and it just all fell apart in about 2008 it was like oh my god i can't do this thing i've been trying to do since i was two years old what am i gonna do and when i went back to school it was like what if i did like make flight simulators instead of you know actual flying stuff um and you know as a result i kind of started to get into actually like

making just games in general and not just flight simulators but as a result yeah when i hear the term walking simulator to me it's a it's an affectionate term i know that there are people who dismiss it and i actually had some friends who were like why don't i see audios on the store oh it's because they blocked the walking sim tag um and there's nothing we can really do about that right uh but for me it's even more complex than this like i'm sorry this is a long answer but every exactly what i wanted okay good good every other guest on the podcast

so that they talk to us i asked a question that i thought would elicit perhaps something interesting yeah i hope this is okay so every e3 some asshole comes out and is like oh there's violent games on stage and it sucks and we should have more non-violent games and they invariably mention like walking sims right but walking sims kind of suck ass like to put it politely walking sims have a lot of like you walk around and somebody talks to you and you just hear a the actually more interesting story being told your direction

while you walk around like audios would suck if you played the game as bill who shows up at his dad's house after his dad's gone and you like hear echoes of his dad's story that would not be interesting right it's more interesting to play horseshoes or to hold a shotgun next to the guy who's got to kill you right and that's why there's the achievement where you can point the gun at the guy it goes a nice try right because we know the player is going to want that um there were originally going to be like several different places you could

do that in the game uh like you could slam the car door on his head and then it would rewind um you know things like or you could shoot him and it would jib him and then it would rewind we were going to do things like that ended up not doing it but the nice try achievement is kind of still communicating that yes farmer thinks about it he thinks about fighting back but he chooses not to um but you know every time i hear somebody be like oh non-violent games are so good and then they mention these games that don't have verbs it's like oh this sucks so in 2017

when i started thinking about this and i came up with the thing that became paratopic um it was like what if we do a bunch of different verbs so i had driving talking you know because so many of these walking Sims are so ellipsistic right there you're walking around empty space you're the only person who exists so like i give me think of like uh here everybody's gone to the rapture right you're the only yeah don't do anything yeah there's there's no real people around right so my very first thought was okay

you should be able to talk to somebody so there's you know a huge gas station sequence with the random dude you could just talk to you know because i figured to make a walking sim actually mean something you should be able to talk to other people because humans don't exist in a complete vacuum there's always somebody else somewhere so for me i did that and then i was like well i'm always mischievous as a person i'm always going to do something you know inappropriate or whatever in the worst time so

uh i obviously had to put you know shooting someone into a walking i wanted to make a violent walking sim so you know i gave you a gun and i had you shoot a person because that was what all these people are saying makes walking seems good is that you don't shoot people so it's like oh well you gotta shoot somebody um so then that that idea evolved and once i you know moved on to work on audios was the same kind of thing like i would love to be making these you know huge mechanics heavy

combat heavy video games right but i can't do that because i am poor you know i had to do a go fund me so i could get dental surgery like this i'm not i'm not some guy who could just you know walk into like sony or microsoft be like give me you know 50 million dollars to make desk training or whatever i can't do that so i have to be like please sir can you give me some you know like table scraps like couch change so that i can make something and so walking sims are one of the cheapest things that you can build right there's like twin sticks walking sims

and uh what's the other one i don't know i'm blanking there's a couple different like cheap games that you'll get in like random indie bundles and stuff that nintendo hire this man unreal uh engine unreal engine forest games i mean yeah yeah there's uh our unity rather i mean there are so many walking sims or first person horror games that are basically just walking sims like ooh there's no monster there's no combat run and hide that's a walking sim it just has

you know a height mechanic added to it um these are like very cheap games to make it's why there are so many of these like crap bundles that you can buy so i mean this is me trying to make the cheapest game i could make and you know doing the best i could with it right so we have a ton of herbs like milking goats shooting a man with the goat milk which i thought was fucking hilarious um you know talking to a horse talking to the guy who's gonna kill you you know making food like had a lot of different verbs beyond just like listening to a story being told

at you about something completely unrelated um you know having people around was crucial even though we didn't have a lot of money so we only have five characters in the game and only two of them are visible and one of them only has like god like he's got like 10 lines i think it's really short he rolls out yeah i was so lucky that julian was down to play him um cuz julian was like there's there's not a lot of like lines here like how do i how do i really get a sense of who this character is it's like okay let me tell

you his entire story so i told him as much as i had for like what his whole game is going to be he's like all right this helps me get into character and it was it's so fun to work with actors because they want to embody your character they're bringing them to life there's nothing like having an actor bring the character life so that's a very long rambly way of saying i love the concept of walking sim i love being told you know hey yeah i i i have no problem with the the moniker right but so many of the games don't have verbs and i think

games need verbs to be meaningful in some way and some people got really mad at me about it i wrote an article for a certain very famous video game magazine one time where i basically said look the reason that you know gone home sold like a bajillion copies was because no one really knew what it was going to be and when takoma came out and it only did 10 000 copies that's because people had kind of figured out what these kind of games are and they're not not as interesting it's why the chinese room

temporarily shuttered because all these walking sim studios that made these big you know acclaimed games that press liked you know they got magazine covers and all this stuff they just started kind of disappearing or not selling very well and it's because people kind of figured out oh you don't really do much you like cure a story and subject matter isn't enough to carry a game you need to be part of the story rather than hear a separate story from what you're doing and when all you're doing is walking it's boring hence me adding things like

milking goats and you know playing you know playing skeet shotgun that's that's something that's come up a lot in whenever i've described like shonen anime one of the things that i see that happens really often well nowadays at least is like there's a there's the current story going on but the generation that came before the current story are the badasses that you can only hear about all the cool stuff happened in the past off-screen and you and you have to deal with the like the shitty

lame or new version of it i did appreciate that that might hero academia does give us some of that though like with the the fight with uh what is it all for one um yeah even though they're like you know one percent like busted up old man versions of their existing selves it's still a hundred times crazier than everything you've seen up until that point it was a big build-up to it right it was like three three dark comedy seasons in you know yeah yeah yeah but i think in general yeah absolutely like i think i would rather see

what was happening the generation for like naruto does his tournament arc has there ever been a tournament arc that's any good i don't like i can't think of one i personally enjoy i mean look depends what you're looking for i still stand on rock lee versus gara like i'm just i dig tournament arcs but but because it's i think the tournament arc thing is just it serves a purpose to in by introducing you to the cast of merch we're gonna sell you and uh pick your favorite is all it is it's a it's a character select screen

showing off what these characters do like walking by an arcade machine and seeing a demo play for the rest of the story essentially and um i mean it it does that job well it's but it is pretty fucking played you know yeah i i could see that yeah that makes sense oh i should mention that article i said that i wrote some other editor my editor loved it but some other editor was like this guy's shitting on you know my friends who make these video games and i

don't like it this guy's probably some horrible person and so he spiked the piece so i ended up posting it on my blog so it's not on famous video game website but that's okay i've it's it's fascinating to me to hear these descriptions because i'm looking at the chinese you you mentioned chinese room specifically and so did i without realizing it when i talked about everybody's gone to the rapture and i don't typically think of games in terms of verbs that seems like kind of a a developer's point of view that i

have not happened upon but i'll try and incorporate it because i'm looking at dearestor amnesia machine for pigs and everybody's gone to the rapture all games that i played and all games that for their entire runtimes i was sitting there going when is something going to happen yeah so or the or the difference between say gone home and uh fire watch right having someone to talk to actually yeah i i haven't played fire watch

personally but i really loved um what remains of you the finch which had you know tons of verbs right like you play as an octopus monster at one point or you eat toothpaste or you know there's just a lot of stuff that happens in that game like things you do and and when you do things i think games are like that's what makes games interesting right is doing things holding down w on my keyboard not interesting to me at least i'm trying i'm just realizing i'm thinking about paratopic and paratopic is like because we're

talking about like say everybody gone to the rapture you walk up to a like glowing thing and somebody tells you a story that may or may not have anything to do with shit and i'm thinking about paratopic in which like it there's less than zero exposition i feel like like i came away from that game more confused about what it was then before i had started playing it okay i don't even know what it is actually tells you anything i was doing lots of things but no i

at no point did anyone come to tell me anything other than that they needed tapes and then their head grew into a void oh is this the spooky ps1 d make type thing yeah it was uh i think i think we kind of kicked off that entire ps1 horror boom because we were like 2018 and then a bunch of games came after that so i think that's like paratopic was the game to set that up but so that game's a little bit a little bit weird because i was going for like with my own approach to the game right because i'm the one who came up

with the original pitch and you know pitched these other people and then we went and made the game together um but the pitch that i had was like you know i really want to focus on like the emotionality of it right so um it is told out of order but every scene is intended to build to you know this emotion leads to this emotion just leads to this emotion so you are you are going on an emotional arc that still leads to its own you know punchline but at the same time you're

working with different people and they all have different approaches or things that they want to achieve with the game so some of the scenes end up having a different order than what what i personally would have gone with which isn't necessarily the right or the wrong thing the game still had an impact a lot of people still like it um but as a result uh some of the scenes are in sort of a different order or you had people going well you know one person was like hey uh you know i think the game is going to be too

short if we don't extend it somehow so i'm going to pad it out by making the driving sequence really really long um you know so we had it we had a different different voices talking about how to direct that game um because it was kind of not hit bashed but like it's a game where it was very by committee in our our design approach like everybody had a how to say and how it was made so i can tell you what i was thinking but i can't tell you what other people were thinking and i can tell you that there is a clear plot that happens in the game

um but because the scenes are told out of order built more for the emotion of the thing rather than like a clear series of like cause and effect that goes from A to B to C if you reorder the scenes you can figure out what happened which is very simple which is uh there's a monster in the woods killing people somebody's trying to capture it on tape he captures it killing a photographer on tape uh the tape itself becomes haunted anyone who watches that tape or tapes like it uh their body is changed

and then we follow the tape as it's being smuggled away from where the murder scene happened uh there is an assassin she is trying to clean things up so she kills one of the people um who was distributing tapes and then she goes out to the woods to get like the cctv stuff or the photographer's camera that may also have pictures of the thing on it and she is uh she finds the body and decides even though she shouldn't even though she's trying to clean it up keep it all secret she decides to call the cops and

you know be like hey uh there's a there's a dead girl out here and you should save her it was supposed to be part one of five though um that's only the pilot episode it is what it is um but you know that's that's basically what it is there there is a story there but you know it's uh it's a game we made in a couple of months while i was homeless so you know difficult uh i think one of the other people working on it was living like sleeping on a couch somewhere like it was made under difficult circumstances um

i didn't uh i hadn't heard of it until up until now and i'm looking back it says 2018 here so did you go like right back to back from this straight into adios yeah yeah right away um there was uh i think we released on itch and march i had my heart surgery from crunch on that game um never crunch it's bad for you uh but i i crunched on that and just freelance work trying to keep some roof over my head work like i ended up working 20 hours a day for like two weeks or some shit um crunch nearly killed me had to get heart surgery then we did a steam release in

september and uh tried to figure out what to do next and i eventually decided you know i don't ever want to work this much again i don't want to end up in the hospital again so i set up a new team yeah no shit yeah and uh decided yeah i i fucking sucks man i i i didn't realize like how much you've been through here that that's uh there's there's a lot there's a lot um but yeah i was like you know i want to set up a team where i can ensure that the schedule is really relaxed and i can assure no one's

crunching and like the buck stops with me so i created a team and like like i put in our like paperwork from whenever anyone joins it's like yeah hey if you you know if you're forcing other people to crunch or if you're you know bigoted or whatever we can fire you like i i made sure that like this is like mischief is a studio where everyone is protected everyone is is safe no one can be if anyone works on a game that i've directed and the work on the game like puts them in the hospital

i feel like i would have failed at some point so i'm trying to ensure i'm trying to ensure a place where that doesn't happen because i i have friends who like you know they work for these big triple a studios and they they work really long and hard in their 20s and by their 30s they're like i'm going to die and it's like yeah you shouldn't though like if you love doing this thing you shouldn't be in a situation that makes you be like that so you see that a lot in our line of work as well it's really like dramatic yeah no one should have to suffer through that

like people should be able to work on the thing they love in a healthy way and so like um on on mischief Cameron is a wonderful hard worker he's my co-owner in the company but he sometimes just will end up working on the weekend or working like super late at night you know i i sneakily bought him a copy of neo2 for his birthday allegedly um and then he started playing that and went back to like normal healthy work hours because he was wanting to play neo2 and it's like see

you know if i have to trick you into taking care of yourself i'll fucking do it you know because it's team health is the most important thing i would rather make a game that's not perfect on launch you know because we can patch whenever i would rather make a game that's not perfect on launch because our team worked like 35 to 40 hours a week then have a game that's like naughty dog level of oh we have a you know 98 on medical the most critically acclaimed video game of all time blah blah blah you know i don't care if there's human sacrifice required to get there

like human sacrifice should never be required to make a game so yeah like you you put that game out but people are like sleeping under their desks and shit yeah naughty dog is a pretty prescient example of like you know we could make the metacritic go up by one if we took somebody's leg and ground it into the discs yeah and it's like and it's the type of thing that you see like uh well at least back in my day from you know qa however many years ago like uh

you would like with each department with each position at each team internally especially you'd have people that would like show up to the job like pretty much like you know going yes i can deliver this i'm look i want to get into games i want to build experience i want to do all of this and then i have a thing i'd like to build towards i have a dream a position something creative i want to do whatever it is it's like the site beyond what this current step is you know and and they are excited about that type of

thing and you see the burnout that not only physically destroys you with crunch and everything and people getting sick and just you know like the all the pressure but it also like annihilates that ambition and it kind of like puts you into a shell version where you're like i'll show up and deliver what i can because this is as much energy as i have and if you have that state of mind for you know sometimes like five ten years like you kind of just drop what else you want it to do

because it just it affects you permanently in like the worst possible way oh yeah i mean i have like burnout has hit me so hard that there are days when i just can't think you know i i have other issues like real health issues that have impacted me i am you know disabled but discovering i had a congenital heart defect because i was working hard on a game i was really excited for uh that that that changed some things fundamentally within me as a person it

made me go okay i have to make things healthier right because i can't do this twice i will die um and i don't want to die for this shit like i'm here to make a lot of games i can't do that if i'm dead right that's a pretty good reason right and you know it's because you have people like well i can do it right now i don't see the problem it's like well that's the thing about burnout burnout sneaks up on you it is a insidious process it you don't know what's happening until after you are permanently damaged by it

but you know there's there's also this thing like a lot of bad people that i've like worked for over the years right like i've done a lot of consulting i can never talk about right and every time i see an unhealthy triple a team um it's because you have some guy who's you know not always one guy it's culture it's you know a ton of people in leadership but there's always somebody who's like pushing everybody and they're like oh this is how we're gonna get the best out of them is if we make them desperate or whatever no no no look at auteur theory

the whole key like all these people you know the warn specter thing like a lot of people like oh there's no such thing as a tours in games probably no there are auteurs are real because the whole idea of auteur theory was like a bunch of french guys going how is it that i can recognize a director's work compared to you know when a lot of people work on a movie why do i see that director what what makes them obvious to me why is it that you can look at a kajima trailer and within 10 seconds go this is a key cut a day of kajima game well he he does cut him himself but even

then if somebody else cut it you could still tell it's a kajima game part of it is auteurs are good to work with there are teasts the guys who were like you know i'm the prima donna everyone should you know do what i want right the the guys who want yes men that's like i hate to say it but that's that's part of the problem that george lucas had right he surrounded himself with yes men and we get the prequel trilogy oh he's still got a lot of good ideas but part of the reason that the original trilogy was so good is he had a

lot of people telling him no good like actual auteurs are good to work with because people keep wanting to work with them if you go look at quentin tarantino right look how many times sam mjaxon works with him part of the reason is sam mjaxon likes working with quentin tarantino when you look at hideo kajima it's always shinkawa doing mech designs with them martin scorsese i believe had the same editor for like ever stevens fielberg has the same cinematographer until he retired

and then he got a new cinematographer and hasn't ever used like it's all jenis kaminsky after Jurassic park like every movie after that it's all the same guy curious how no when people are sorry no i'm just i'm just thinking there hasn't been any uh repeat talent across chronic dream games like that i can think of interesting it's kind of interesting yeah it's kind of interesting when you create a working environment that is positive and healthy people will keep working with you and when that happens you develop

institutional knowledge which is something that people like i've heard guys at triple a studios say things like it's good that we have burnout because it means we're always getting fresh voices and talent oh my god that means you're never yeah that that means you're never preserving institutional knowledge i mean nobody knows what they're doing it's everybody's first day forever yes yes and so when a guy when a guy left nani dog there was a guy he'd been like a bioware developer and he got a chance to

work in naughty dog and he took it because naughty dog has incredible animations he was an animator and he really wanted to work there so he did well he quit on the last of us two and he did a twitter thread where he talked about it and he says the part of the problem is they just have like new people all the time and they're he said a team of professionals would have shipped the last of us two like last year and it's still not out at that point he's like and the reason is because basically everybody's juniors

and i mean me as a game designer like i can see this in like the level design the the way that that game has gone from like like the first game has a lot of rant like different encounters the second game is like you're going to see an object in the distance and then you're going to enter a building and then you're going to exit a building and then you're closer to the object and it does that i think nine times during the last of us two um that that kind of comes from like newer game designers who like watch youtube videos on what makes for good

video games and then they just copy that a lot i think that's what's happening there is that repeated like and that makes the game boring right like if you saw a movie where you did the exact same thing in every single scene like every scene was like we go from a to b and there's like one thing that changes that would be a boring movie and it makes it a boring game um suicide squad literally like we walk on a road and then we cut to us walking down the same road yeah i think the best example of this that i can say

from my consumer personal opinion is i used to absolutely adore bio where it was one of my favorite developers and i played almost every single thing they put out from like i want to say like 96 to like uh whatever me whenever mass fact three came out and you could feel people leaving on every game every single game came out you could feel that the staff had turned over especially from me one to me two and especially from dragon age one to dragon age two dragon age one to dragon age two felt

like the entire team just ran out the door well dragon age two is a little bit different just because they got they got pressured into making that even though dragon age origins was their best-selling bio or a game i think of all time at that point uh management as far as i know was like mass effect is our real series and dragon age is like our side series so they made them rush dragon age two out and i think 12 months yeah it was nothing and when you have that time it doesn't matter

how good you are it doesn't matter how experienced you are it's not enough time to make a rpg like you just cannot make a game that big that fast it's not possible so i am forgiving of one of the worst video games i've ever played dragon age two because you couldn't have made a better game in that time just right it's just not possible but yeah i in general totally agree like the lead writer on mass fact one i believe uh went to work on the old republic whereas you know that's a drew car piss shin

i want to say i think carpet shin yeah and then uh mac walters took over and that's mass fact two and three which have a more similar voice i think than the mass fact one which is you know the game i prefer but you know probably that's just different people stuff but the the naughty guy uh something really interesting which was uh they tried to they basically tried to withhold my final paycheck until i signed a paper saying i wouldn't talk about this uh which is illegal in california so uh he's like i remind him it's illegal and

you know so i'm out so i would say that a sign of a healthy team a sign of a healthy team or at least a good creative is a person who is working with the same people a lot repeatedly when you're building that healthy and that's not always true like sometimes there are people who are say abusers who are working with the neighbors and they keep them around like that's a thing but for me a big sign and honestly the best part about audios like like seeing you know fan feedback was really awesome but a couple weeks ago

one of our modelers on audios pinged me and was like hey when are we working on another game and i was like so excited by that because that meant that despite coveted and despite you know surgery and personal emergency issues and stuff that happened while we were making audios despite all this bad shit that was going on the background i still had a person i had several people actually that like hey can we come back and and work with you on another game now bro we gotta make it like orange juice

you just grab an orange you squeeze it dry you throw it out and then you grab a fresh orange that would be the worst way to make a video game that analogy came to you very quickly and easily just it's a good analogy though there are people like that it's it's though i think it's the worst way to be like you know so for me with mischief the goal is like we're gonna build that institutional launch we're gonna have pros you teach people you know

how to make games like our new people are gonna learn how we make games and hopefully we can maintain that knowledge so even when seniors leave they retire they die they you know start their own studios the team is the same like i think that's why blizzard's changed right like a lot of the a lot of the people they're all gone they're all gone and now the blizzard games just feel completely different and you know part of that's also people hiring their fans you should never hire your fans because your fans have an

idea of what your game is that's not true i think i think the guy who is running well right now is like a old wow fanatic from like the early aughts that ended up sometimes that can work out super good like don't get me wrong but i generally am of the opinion you should never hire your fans um so like i was just yesterday talking about um uh yellow brick the the new uh mike laidlaw studio that just opened up and just kind of like i'm just like at what point are we gonna have like more what i would call like life life raft

studios than like major ones where it's just kind of like everyone who you knew and liked that was talented from this place said fuck this i'm leaving and now they're gonna make the things they want at this other place you know with the right people like i feel like that's what would happen with uh bungee like i love bungee i mean i also know pat you've read my many many takes on destiny so you know that my love for bungee is complex but i have spent more hours in the past year complaining about bungee than i have

like playing destiny in general oh god yeah that that feels about right um but you know a lot of those people uh they went off and they made a vr game like uh the guy who designed the warthog you know uh marty um one of the like main artists like butch like really senior people that made halo what halo was went off to do their own thing um you know there was v1 interactive they tried to make a hover bike first person shooter which was sadly not that great um but you know certain life raft studios don't i like

that analogy by the way that's a or a name at least for that because that's what a lot of them seem to be but some of us don't work out and some of them uh do i have no idea if that vr game they're making golem or whatever is ever coming out but it looks cool um but it's because when you like working together with people you want to keep working together with them right well if it leads to to things like super giant and respawn like fuck yeah you know what i mean like deploy all life rafts like just do it get together with the other people and make the things that

you know are not fucking under the the watchful eye of of like the bobby caughtx of the world you know um yeah but sadly they're now under ea somehow but they seem happier i just had a fun moment where i'm like hey let's just check and i just typed in the phrase x witcher devs into google and got just a shit ton of results just just a bunch of different games that are all listed as from former cyberpunk or witcher developers there you go remember somebody saying that there was a requirement that all this is a joke obviously a requirement that all

Kickstarter games had to have at least one x bioshock dev on them oh my god it's it's like every single member of the bioshock team went and made their own studio it felt like that anyway and there's a few really good studios out there too which came out of that which is fantastic obviously you know um i i think a lot about uh looking glass you know a studio that made the system shock these games that shaped how i view games they went off to uh one of them went and did the dark brotherhood side quest line in oblivion and then he did you know i think he directed fallout

three um you had another one who went off to do he was like the sound guy he went off and uh worked at harmonics those really good 2k football games yeah that was an ai guy from from them uh shame is blackly uh he left he did dress for a trespacker uh trespasser which wasn't so great but then he went and created the xbox we don't we you know we do not shit talk trespasser in this house i do i'm i'm i'm glad i i i think the game's really fucking cool but even even shameless himself has said okay yeah there are problems with that game

um but he was to pick up a gun this is how we do it i think he was like 29 when he shipped that game so like just absurdly young for a guy who's you know directing a triple a Jurassic Park game but hey i mean he made the xbox after that so yeah i'll give him infinite forgiveness okay uh that's sorry no no that's that that's a really like uh i'd say like astute um thing to observe is just like how many of these yeah yeah like like i'm gonna call i'm gonna coin that i'm gonna go

with life raft studio from from here on out absolutely um we do have uh a lot of shit going on this week um because we're making up for about two weeks worth of time so uh let's start moving yeah all right welly what happened with your week let's start with you your back sucks okay yeah so i mean the short is is yes essentially i i we did our our our um we recorded a session on i think it was uh uh wednesday or so when we did the um the starcraft uh the infamous starcraft 64 stream

i heard that went really well it went fantastically swimmingly is is the word i would use swimmingly um everything everything was was great all according to to plan kei kaku dori etc and um i kicked them out of my house and then uh yeah like basically not too long after uh that happened and you can go on on the willy versus channel and check out if you'd like to see the salt party of starcraft 64 it's a very short episode it didn't quite go the way i thought it would but nonetheless um

we we basically uh uh uh had that and then they left and then not too long afterwards i was sitting down and then i got up and then i was like oh shit raddom back pain out of nowhere welly are you actually saying that the sequence of events is that the you you spent so much time carrying the starcraft stream in an awkward position that it hurt your back it it physically damaged me afterwards yes my attempt to carry that stream uh just i i it's like there's a concept that

again like reggie and min god bless them great folks love recording they they're i don't know if they're familiar with yes and yes and is a nice little concept that needs to be explained you know um take a few improv classes maybe learn to to to play along with it but anyway um you can go again you can go watch the tale of the tape on on that episode that that's up um suffering was was was high but my my back just blew the fuck out for no reason

and then um i was like that's unusual for that to just suddenly happen okay um but whatever let me just you know like take a couple Tylenol and see how it go um usually i've had instances where i've woken up with like you know lower back pain from like sleeping on a bad bed or like um you know like an awkward mattress like um punch mom she had like a really uh a bad mattress for me that was like a problem for a while and then like you know we have our ours that is much better now um but yeah it was just it was just like okay whatever

that's random so you know slept on it and that's what it was and then the next morning uh i got up and i was like oh i can't walk like oh yeah i'm unable to move my feet in front of each other that's a not good that's a bad what what the fuck is happening so um yeah i pretty much uh at that point was like okay let me call 811 you know see what's and see if i can get an assessment of of what is going on here because it's you know that's that it's a pretty useful line that you can just call for

like is this an emergency is it not what are we doing you know and um yeah it was it was it was a um it was one of those things where i was kind of describing what was going on and like the it was like the pain level and the fact that like it was causing that issue like i couldn't i couldn't fucking move um was potential cause for like oh this could be uh something nerve related but usually there that comes alongside other stuff like numbness and other symptoms that i wasn't necessarily having but the yeah when uh when we had

one page had her back issues like it it was like move and she's screaming pain but there were also a bunch of terrifying side symptoms associated with it that made it very obvious that was very serious yeah um it was and it was just one of those bits where i'm like there was no accident to cause it necessarily it really just kicked in out of nowhere uh so yeah i was um you know looking up like okay so there's hot compress there's cold compress i had some like rowbacks i was looking at different home things i had

um to deal with it and so i kind of just started trying those out and uh for the yeah the next like day or two i was just like cycling between like trying out hot or cold and seeing what would happen um wasn't getting a ton of results but i did like the rowbacks i was taking it was helping a bit but it was basically this thing where like when i'd wake up in the morning like the pain would shoot from like a four to like an eight you know um and uh yeah essentially uh what ended up happening was

um it got to a point where you know i called 811 again they said all right go have someone take a look at it um you don't have the the numbness and you're not having like the like you sometimes there's like loss of bladder and things like that that happens as well like if it's um um i forgot the term for when your your disc is slipped and um herniated when there's there's a there's a bunch of things that can happen your disc your disc can be herniated your disc can be compressed your disc can be like all if they say the word disc to you you don't want to hear it used all

these things exactly right so then um yeah so i want to go see uh went to the clinic and they basically went like so yeah sounds like the description of what you have is likely inflammation based especially if uh anti-inflammatory type things are working so um i got a prescription for some anti-inflammatories i've been on that for pretty much the the the whole week and it's been a case of like um alternating getting up every half hour so just stretching and kind of like not putting any weird pressure on it that

might exacerbate the situation but at the very least just um changing positions helps as well like even right now kind of thing i'm gonna have to get up and walk around for a bit um but yeah it was just a persistent thing and like essentially for that entire time um i just felt like it was in it was just like constant level of pain that was like i can't record our work or do anything like this i'm not really you know um in any state to like fucking hit a button and jump on a mic um but based on i guess the like having at least a comfortable office chair here with me i was i'm able to like sit at

this for a while and then kind of like that combined with the with the the medication and stuff did a lot to help kill you know the the pain so right now a week later it's it's a lot lower um it's manageable and what i was able to do once that stuff started working is i pretty much spent the entire week when i was sitting at this i set up my parsec so that i can connect because the couch is not great for this type of thing i need a sturdy back thing parseced over to this computer and i finished the next episode of Guilty Gear Lore so i was able to to do something with that that

downtime um so that should be uh uh dropping soon as soon as the approval comes through so yay happy about that um but beyond just dealing with my back and shit like that's i didn't do anything else like it just yeah that's it do you mainly what lie there and be like i wish my back didn't hurt so much right now and then when it's and then when it would fade out for a bit when the the you know the meds did what they did uh i could come sit down type work edit whatever and then go back to

walking or lying or whatever and right now it's in a place where it's fading away so ideally within the next week or two it hopefully will be gone um but i if honestly i had to guess i'm thinking that just like doing a lot of working out harder and boxing and stuff built up some immunity time but i think sitting on my ass for a fucking a year of quarantine just means yeah at some point you're gonna wear out see you're you're not built for it every part of my body is is built and has been molded for this exact position

shape and duration but you didn't do that you did you did smart things like go boxing and build up compensatory muscles what you needed to do was build up compensatory filler in between all your joints to protect them okay i mean i uh i went down uh um the to like the the lower area of my building and then like i kind of took the stairs back up at one point and i was like oh my god that is way worse than it used to be like i was

dying walking up and i'm like this has to go we got to fix this so as soon as it's you know healthy and safe too like yeah we got to get moving because this reminds me earlier you said that there was no specific accident that you could point to that led to your back problem but i think i could think of one uh you described earlier in the week that when uh your back started hurt you woke up in the morning and you couldn't walk that's what you did you woke up in your thirties

oh that's what you did is that the crime that's the crime right there hmm okay hey doc howl do you i'm thinking about 32 okay take me a second like are you right around here yeah you're right around at this general vicinity you're with us up here mm-hmm mm-hmm yep i've been like this since i was 20 but when you say like this do you mean like your brain is like the specific type of person or god no i i just wake up in pain oh cool yeah

chronic pain is a bitch yeah doesn't seem great against it you know anyone considering chronic pain no don't do it don't do it it's bad yeah admittedly i'm like telling the story because you know i haven't had any issue like this for a while and like you were mentioning the shit that you're going through and it's kind of like okay so yeah it's i sure picked the time to tell my fucking sob story oh yeah you know

like i'm not i'm not like sitting here judging i'm like oh god i know exactly what that's like like all i can do is sympathize because it does suck right like any kind of medical thing sucks to go through so well yeah i'm i'm here i mean completely sympathetic with you to be fair woolly you have a sympathetic audience i gave myself horrible arthritic pain for almost two years before my doctor told me it was because i ate too much red meat and my fiance makes fun of me every

time i bring it up because she goes oh boo you gave it to yourself i have the lupus did my body just did it on on its own i love that bitch yeah just we're all we're all losing hp in different ways man it is what it is um but yeah no uh uh uh pretty much that like i just finished off the guilty year lower episode and that's that's all i did at the week so no no time to uh to bring anything else up there uh what about you all right doc you want to take it away what you've been doing this week um working on new game mostly

okay yeah yeah you know trying to sit there and be like okay how do i make this anime as fuck is that why you were watching madoka magica the other day no that was because i was super depressed and i needed something depressing to watch to counteract the depression okay is that how that works for you that's how that works for me yeah okay yeah sometimes really happy shit just feels dishonest and watching really depressing shit is like confronting the feelings uh i haven't seen it but i think it's really good yeah it's um

i kind of regret taking so long to watch it i think it was a really good time yeah i uh i uh tested out some of the story beats i'm planning for this next game one thing that i do differently than other studios is you know we lock the story before we even enter production a lot of other people like yeah so we're the game's done we've we've finished you know we're just doing some bug fixing do you want to write a story now and i'm like uh what no i can't do that that's not where stories come from um it's it's the oldest complaint i've

heard from everybody i ever talked to in development from the old days which was they they felt that the gameplay flow worked better if they moved level five to level two so just go ahead and write the reasons for why that is yep i had what did we fetching go right the right the fetch object we wrote it we the game's doing it too bad there was there was a project i consulted on for a very famous triple a studio i'm not going to name uh where i sat down in front of the guy and i said so the problem that your game has right now is that every single fetch or every single quest you have is a fetch quest and uh every

single quest you have is designed like do this and the thing isn't there so you go to another place and the thing isn't there and then when you get to the third place you fight a boss and the thing is there every single quest is that and he sits there for a minute and then he goes so what's a fetch quest when you have people when you have people like that making decisions oh yeah cult at times to help people make better games and that's one of the reasons why they're like you know i've heard of studios like including some with you know games in the 90s and hundreds you know it's like medic scores right they just sit people

down like in a conference room and they show them a scene from a movie they really like and they're like we're gonna make this scene which is i'm pretty sure how the nigan scene from the walking dead ended up being the entire inciting incident for the you know the blastos part two yeah it's literally shot for shot that scene right um but you know i try to start story first right so sometimes i come up with like story beats and scenes and stuff and then i take it to friends i'm like hey how does this feel and if they like it i'm like okay i'm on to something here so you know i'm working on this game and i i

showed it to some people earlier this week and they were like oh my god i need it and i was like yes i'm on the right track that's been my week is basically just secretly working on that and that's about it just working on the game right i'm also playing way too much world war z don't ask why but it's fine i've see it i've seen not just you talk kindly about that apparently it didn't even have a class system when it launched so like i jumped in and like man the game feels really good the classes like the progression is really cool this is a really neat game i wonder why it got like a 50 on metacritic and my friend's

like yeah so it didn't feel like that when it launched and it did not have a class system at all when it launched and like really so like they radically transformed it into a game that's i'm enjoying more than left for dead but it also has a really weird bug we're holding down like w just sometimes stops so i had to switch over to using a controller and closing it one time uh froze my entire computer so it's got some problems but for a game that's like five bucks on the on the epic store right now like i it's a blast okay i'll check it out when it eventually comes to to something other than that

that's her uh so if that's both of you guys all right if you want to talk about problems let me tell you about problems i took the balls out of my dog i took my dog to a man and left my dog there for most of the afternoon and they gave me back my dog sans balls he seems pretty chill about it though what's not chill is that because he's not supposed to jump up and because he sleeps sans it's it's an english expression as well willy it's like saying buku bucks i'll go i'll write the the you know you fucking you fucking stupid asshole okay

okay anyway you smart me shit all right anyway um uh the dog sleeps in the bed with me because he loves me uh but the bed is a casper mattress and we got like the frame for it which means it's actually a relatively high bed which means that if he were to jump up on it he could tear his ball stitches which means i've been sleeping on this couch for the past 11 days so that he does not have to jump up but the cat and the dog combined with this

essentially single bed has made it so that i've been getting like the worst sleep as they crawl all over me the entire evening but it's worth it because i don't want him to tear his stitches he seems fine have you noticed the uh behavioral changes takes six weeks okay uh the like the behavioral changes when you bring him home are this dude is cracked out high as shit stumbling around the first two three days he slept for like 18 hours uh immediately back to normal uh he will be starting to slow down and

become lazier about let's say a month from now but here's the craziest thing in the world that i found out researching this one don't look up canine scrotal hematoma don't look that up don't if you're worried your dog has it and you look at his balls and you don't know he doesn't have it so don't look it up i'm making a note not to look it up right now as am i on my monitor here two because of the way the dogs like tubes work he still has one shot for six weeks

after they get removed if he were to find another dog oh there's one shot loaded in the chamber there's one there's one in the chamber i didn't i thought you meant like vaccination okay no no he has one loaded in there is one final dog not just floating around oh my dog is that how that works out four more weeks until it finally dissipates could something i never knew couldn't they like deal with that while the process is happening that's weird i know but it's also weird that it's just there

just don't just don't let your dog get into a different dog in the next six weeks like if you if you have a gun and you open up the barrel and you empty you know the bullets out but then you leave the one in the chamber you still got a gun in the you still got a gun in the bullet in the chamber yeah but this this isn't me going to the the doctor and saying i want you to empty my dog's clip this is i want you to remove and modify this gun so that it can no longer take magazines

and then you go what about the what about the bullet in the chamber they are that'll fall out on sound in a couple weeks yeah uh i have the choice to continue this analogy but i'll just opt out yeah let's just let's just get point is i'm tired i've been taking care of my boy that's why i took last week off but still streamed a couple times because it's my vacation but my vacation is sleeping on the couch so that my dog's ball wounds don't explode open and his and his vas deference fall out

aside from that man if you had one nut what would you do would you let it slip arm steady mom spaghetti yeah all right i'd freeze it i mean that's the actual real answer is you would you would go to a the the nut library and you would put it on ice just in case well that's one option but like yeah that's probably the least fun one yeah well when they can grow clones and and take organs out of them to heal me with it'll be a considerably more fun

you gotta think ahead about your clones there's there's i think it's a multiple choice answer i think it's kind of like that that that one question in um uh what should we call it what is the nature of a man uh i think he's not on the floor yeah how do you throw it on like how do you spend how does it how do you spend the final nut and then there's like 18 answers and and you gotta you gotta pick the the final two are i won't and then i won't and then in brackets is lie lie

it's definitely how i would write that bracket lie yep yep uh so aside from aside from taking care of the boy i also played uh let's say two games one is i started the mass effect trilogy after being away from it for many many many years and man that mass effect one gives like an incredible first impression and is just the first part of that game is so good and the voiced codex and how well thought out all the aliens are is is great and then the more i'm playing it i'm like wow there's a thing they threw away

there's a detail they retconned this character's impression i've ever had makes no sense like i picked the sole survivor uh backstory for uh shepherd uh because in the in mass effect one you find out that a terrorist organization was responsible for killing his whole squad and traumatizing him but that's the same organization you go to work for in the second game and if you bring it up they're like oh that was a splinter group they we didn't tell them to do that and then shepherd goes okay i guess it's okay to work for you terrorists now because you guys aren't really the ones who get and so like they just you just

get to see all the little pieces that they picked up and threw away because they didn't think it was great there's this long and involved explanation for why guns don't need ammunition and then in the second game they're like ah crap the shooting's better if you have to reload so fuck it there's heat sinks no but the whole the name of the franchise is based on the loading of the fucking gun any ammunition it's the mass effect what the fuck are you talking about they change that no worry about it no way out of the term the systems lets the gun shoot the name of the fucking franchise no i mean that was also about that was also about uh ships traveling between

systems right like the big yeah it's it's it's all technology in hope yeah the big relay is also a mass effect thing but for me i miss the gray scale of it right like the whole the morality of the game is like this big spectrum right there are some things that are pretty good and some things that are pretty bad and you know everything in between and then the second game comes along it's like actually everything is exactly one shade of gray and you know in the first game it was like any ai wants to kill everyone that's just what ai does in our universe and to me that was like oh this is really cool like this is neat world building and then the second game like actually only some ai want to destroy people and there's some really edge lord

robots who are pretty cool and can be your friend and that just it took away like it's filing off the edges and it made me sad you're a very smart guy and i like you very much but i this is a this is a pro legion household edgy or not i love i love legion i just hate how they got there so i'll i'll agree with you every step of the way the way they got there particularly with legion is like them throwing out the first third of the game that was way better than the first third of the game that we got and it's infuriating okay so i've always been under the impression based on what everyone has told me that um because i've only played the first one and i've heard that like two still great three is where you you dodge the bullet that seemed to be what everyone is is

telling me but so now that goalpost is moving it depends because it depends what bullets you feel like you need to dodge so i love mass effect too i think it's a great game however it is a very very different game with different goals and different priorities than one and if you were way way into everything that one had to the exclusion of some of the stuff that two likes two has some bullets for you me okay i like those bullets i'm happy to be shot with those bullets but there's some stupid stupid shit in two it's just that three has stupid stupid shit that hurts everyone do either everyone can either of them in how much they don't like being shot by mass effect three's bullets would you say that either of them surpass one most people have said

that two surpasses one i personally think that one is the only good game in the series but i will say that they're both about the same but they're so different that despite their similarities they might as well be different genres the i like the depth of the characters in the first game and the way that the more you talk to them over time they change like i i did some some angry tweets they weren't really that angry but i did some tweets about garrus a few weeks ago and i was like he starts out as a cop look right and it was mostly to annoy some friends who really like him and nothing more than that but it blew up because some like stupid tweets start yeah yeah but some some angry dude online was like yeah this guy is sjw trying to change

character it's like he missed the point like the game itself says the garrus is a bad person but you can change him and that to me was like oh this is a really cool video game it's like mass effect was the first game i played where like characters actually transform through the course of the game based on how you talk to them and so to me that's like this is fucking amazing and then two comes along and everyone's like i am the coolest hottest person in the universe and also i'm a badass but i have one major regret and every single character in the game is like that like they's like oh i made me a really cool hot fish man but i murder people and i feel sad about it and you know miranda is like i am the hottest most perfect woman in the

universe but i'm too perfect and i feel sad about that like every single character is just like i have one regret but i'm also a really cool badass but i'm morally gray and we all have the exact same shade of moral gray and i didn't like that about mass effect too the change because you don't change the characters the changing of their disposition that sounds like what kotor was going for with lightsighting and darksighting and especially in two uh yeah it it felt like uh like bioware just was getting better at doing that and then mass effect two comes along and suddenly everyone's like fixed they just have one specific morality that never changes the difference between one and two is in one bioware looks at you the player and goes you can change them and in two

you look at the hot character be they a lady or a fish man or a bird creature and go i can fix them now admittedly at least with my frame of reference being like um kotor two what does get really confusing is that every character has their fixed point or fixed alignment where if you answer certain things they like and if you answer certain things they hate it but um you they also but then they bend towards you so you have your you know like lightsight um um uh ak for example hk excuse me um but he still responds the same to the same questions that are more dark side you know what i mean like so you have a confusing thing where now he's blue but he still wants you to give red answers so that was kind of like a confusing thing happening in that specific example so

mass effect has the my favorite version of that where there's all your your characters all exist on a spectrum of of renegade to paragon and you have to have two characters so one will always see the paragon response and one will always see the renegade response but it can it breaks really hard if you take characters that are on like the same alignment and are very close to each other so if you take like liara and tolly to like the rachni liara is like i don't know but maybe we shouldn't genocide them and tolly who is like otherwise relatively reasonable for most of the game will go you gotta kill them all they're all gonna die okay you're like whoa whoa whoa whoa the first call the first conversation you have with tolly on the ship and i'd forgotten this

completely uh the first conversation you have with her on board your ship she's like you're like so tell me about your entire species history which is a totally normal thing to ask and she's like yeah so we invented sentient vacuum cleaners and when we found out that they were sentient we just immediately declared like total annihilation because we realized they probably wouldn't want to work for us if they were sentient and i'm like sitting here as you know not 2008 doc but but 2021 doc and i'm like uh huh there might be a problem with that morally speaking so tally's always been pro genocide she's absolutely nothing wrong with killing things that might not want to be forced to be you know toasters and vacuum cleaners

it's it's funny because like i love mass effects the series in general like even if i hadn't played the third one but i will get to it but there is something that's happening to me when i'm playing these games so long after and it's what you just described which is 2008 pat playing through them versus 2021 pat i have such a different worldview and more knowledge about like the planet that i'm looking at some of this shit and the thing that is like whiplashing me so hard is like wow liara just just just tells you like cuts like three sentences in so yeah this is how we bone yeah it's bony yeah or that is the paragon option the paragon options that i remember being like oh man shepherds like uh like a good guy he's doing what he can and i'm like going through all these

paragon options and like most of them are just like narking and snitching on people and like they have no moral context at all it's just him going this is against the law i should report you yeah so i mean so the asari being introduced as the as the twi like of the universe like pretty much it's like okay so 2008 you in whatever teenage years are sitting there wondering uh and then they just answer the question right away going like yeah no we're compatible don't worry wink to the to the fourth wall that's exactly what it is it's a hundred percent what it is i saw somebody pointing out the other day you know like one of the earliest things you hear about any asari is like oh yeah they spend their maiden years you can't see me air quote anybody i'm air

quoting in strip clubs being strippers and it's like that's a weird bc's trait to have i don't think i even noticed that the first time i played it's because they're the blue sex race which yeah it's like oh they were doing twillac you know i i you know i came up with a race like that once when i was 17 you know at 32 i wouldn't do that and i'm pretty sure the people who were making the game originally weren't like that but as i'm playing a game of noticing paragon or renegade i mean it seems like somebody just sat down i was like okay we need to have a branch point here is this is this good guy comment or bad guy comment there's no context they just it seems like they made a good guy yeah renegade shepherd often doesn't agree with himself yeah which is

which is what's really really wild like paragon shepherd is all about the law and snitching it's it's like lawful good to like the absolute most absurd but renegade shepherd is like chaotic evil and will sometimes argue against his own goals in different scenes based on what he wants it's just he needs to do something like an asshole right now yes i i i heard from a friend that when jennifer hale recorded uh she played like paragon is like one character and renegade is a different character so they're like if you do a pure paragon or pure renegade run jennifer hale is amazing but mark mere didn't do that he played it all like one person so for people who do a pure run mark mere seems kind of bland but apparently he's i think that's his name right i think it's

the actor that's mark yeah yeah when you play his man ship uh he's actually best when you pick options based on what you're feeling in the moment like what makes the most sense to you and he he ends up actually working out really well because he's kind of more neutral in his his entire approach so it lets you pick you're gonna renegade without feeling like you're just a nut job who's all over the place but except that's good for the voice acting but the games mechanics punish you for that yeah oh absolutely like it's the game is weird the game is definitely weird but i i did have more fun actually playing is like what what response actually makes sense before i knew that top you know top side was always paragon and bottom was always renegade i just picked whatever

sounded good that i actually love the game more when i was doing that like that's where the writing really i think comes out and is at its best so it's a weird game in that regard i i was having a much enjoyment when i started the game and decided that i was going to be pretty nice to everybody except ashley and uh every time she tried to talk to me i would respond with shit like why are you on my ship get off my ship i hate you only to get and so i get to the citadel and i'm looking at the the the alignment chart that they give you and it's like i'm like two pips in a renegade with like a tiny little sliver of paragon and i'm like i was nice to everyone but ashley i did every possible paragon choice whatsoever except every time she talked to me

i told her to get the fuck out of my face and the game has has decided that that means that i'm an asshole you know i'm still thinking about how you mentioned that like the whole volus and l core moment just never happens again and i'm so so bummed about that yeah like the introduction of these really well thought out races that have interesting histories that just immediately make you go oh my god this is everything is this considered this is going to be amazing only to realize that it's just super front loaded to make you think that that sucks man a lot of aspect one is really front front loaded like the codex entries are exhaustive and voluminous like they're gigantic until you all sorts of shit loved them and they're

all voiced well not all sorry all the all the primary ones are voiced but still there's like wow these guys really care about their universe until you play two and like i don't care that much yeah and i and i mean now that we live in a world where like you know codex screens are like they can get insanely exhaustive and and i mean i mean fuck we just played 13 sentinels like you can go as hard with those as possible like i i still have a big reminder why hold on on camera within the view of everyone in god doc you really gotta play 13 sentinels i i have it i haven't started it yet but i'm going to well i did start it but i got to that like first scene with the robot cool yeah so um well so that's a game where the

you're gonna be looking at the codex screen um you know what i mean like i like i was just talking about how like even like doom has like this big paus for lore uh section and stuff like that um and i kind of realized that like i remember there was a time where i used to be like you know look show don't tell um and but then at the same time it's like you can't that's not always possible there's a lot of things and we were just talking about how like you're gonna walk around in a walking simulator and you're gonna hear about the cooler things you know um there's always stuff that like i guess text will it be able to convey that will that we're just not in the scope of whatever the game was planning anyway uh and i think at least going back to my my

impressions of it with mass effect one it was a lot of codec but it was really engaging to listen to because i felt like coming out of it like i had a i had a world built in my head you know what i mean like i understood where i was uh in this universe a lot more a lot earlier than you usually do stepping into a new you know um world a new setting but there's that is i don't read lore in most games right but in mass effect there was this one that's always stuck with me which is like they were flying above the surface of a planet and they found like something underneath gas clouds but whenever they got close it would disappear and there was like this implication that like maybe some species had survived the reapers and was just hiding forever after that and that just

always stuck with me it's like oh my god that's so cool i have absolutely no idea how you would depict that in a game that would be interesting like a cutscene where you fly next to the planet some person's like hey there's a thing there just described exactly what happens like because you can't see that you just show like a satellite dish like it wouldn't really be that exciting so the the lore works there like the the vlog works but i'm also somebody who's probably never going to include any kind of like codecs in any of my games and you're just gonna have to remember it i don't fucking i mean i'm weird that way though but like that two examples that like remind me of what you just stated where it's like how would you even depict this and it and it's really strong uh one

is um in halo two the um the backstory uh about the um the the uh i think it was a bias the uh the ai's that were like kind of battling each other from the original race oh just lost our feed okay well anyway um no no i'm still here i'm just getting up and i want you guys i bought on the camera cool uh yeah i think it was yeah halo three was it then where there's these logs describing the final battle of the race that created the halos and like what it all came down to and how it happened and the description for um mendicant bias and uh the other one i'm gonna go pee i'll be right back was so um the description of the war was one that like you couldn't ever really visually represent this it would be almost impossible because it's describing like ships and

things happen like the scale it's describing is like a galactic ridiculous you would spend the entire budget of your halo franchise just depicting this in a cutscene type of thing where you're like this is what words are for this is what pros is for pros will tell you will will will allow you to create the scene in your head because there's no fucking way in hell will ever attempt to show you this um and then the second i would say is uh in the game lost odyssey um uh miss walk in the middle of that game yeah you know what i'm in the middle of that game right now yeah yeah i started a couple weeks ago yeah fucking great okay cool so the um the thousand years of memories right yeah those little short stories you unlock are to me like the best part

of the game i i love them they're a joy to read i enjoy them so much and again you're kind of looking at these stories though you're like yeah this is the best thing about them is how they're written right a series of like really sketched out quick visual like like almost like arcade endings to show you these stories would not do them justice at all yeah i think you could do them if you like had you know really good anime studio sit down and actually do the whole scene right like there's one where um it's it's one of the earlier ones because again i'm pretty early in the game um but i think about disc i just started disc two um okay but there's there's one where like uh he's hiding in the trenches in the middle of the night and they're

like preparing for war yeah and there's a young if you won't stop talking yeah and that one you could animate it but you would lose the part where he says something like the the narrator says something about like he's he's talking in the way an experienced soldier wouldn't right and like that observation i don't know how you would put that in animation but you could still capture the emotional intensity of it you could still capture the soldiers going you like quiet you and then him grabbing the kid and running him off into the woods like you could still do all that but it would lose that observation that like you lose his thoughts exactly um have you have you got a bright have you gotten to a bright rain i don't think so no i'm trying to remember where that is

i don't remember all the i keep playing it like once every two weeks it's bad i'm slow that's it's cool that you're going through it like those yeah those things are each one of those are like a treasure to me like it was such a fun thing and i like the game but but some of those are really really strong and but that's just exactly it right losing um the the thoughts that the characters having losing the the um the the observational things the the things where the narrator would kick in um and the only like the only way to like save those or salvage it is to do something kind of like what um disco elysium does where there's a narrator there anyway but you know there that gets really weird depending on um what what kind of senior depicting you

can't always have a narrator kicking in to go like oh this is what this person's thinking in this one shot here you know so yeah it sorry go ahead i was just gonna say i'm completely with you on this like i'm nodding my head you can't see me but i'm totally nodding my head at all of this um yeah but in any case though uh with with mass effect like going back to it now i i don't know what 2021 me would feel like going through that first one again but in my brain it's this fucking amazing super solid lovely experience and like um i do intend to to to pick up the second one once the opportunity presents itself i mean to be perfectly honest and is unique even within its own series okay where'd you get to me personally oh i just did

all the citadel stuff i did a one but it was a big stream okay i'm gonna go be back to it it's gonna be pretty much all i do this week would you come down um so i could hear that whole conversation even though it was out of the room uh i gotta say you described like he's talking like a soldier wouldn't would be a difficult thing to write into uh an actual scene instead of being written down and it makes me think of the opposite of that where what if i wrote in my character notes uh character talks to himself like a crazy person when stabs the zombie doesn't have quite the punch that day's gone manages with its voice acting so day's gone is a game that i wrote off completely uh due to its early coverage and shy's videos showing how buggy it

was and then and we mocked it relentlessly something the week that the interview came out where the the guy who got fired for being a piece of shit from that studio was like oh don't complain about it no you didn't buy it and then i go on twitter and doc's being like man day's gone was like super great i love my game i'm like what's but wait hold on a second doc has a bunch of takes that i think are very bad and stupid but i can't even find where he's coming from on this because that game looks like garbage every time i look at it and then he just goes yeah it's great it's a good game like what it's like okay the pc version comes out pc version is immaculate by the way it's incredibly well performing could you hey did you come down please uh and it does not have

anything that's tracing your computer that came out of nowhere and everybody ran with it um so i load up day's gone day's gone is a competent zombie based biker based open world game that is a little jank and a little under budget but genuinely fun to play i'd say it's like a seven right in terms of like sneaking around and stabbing dudes in the back and whatnot but it has some of the most confusing and hyper sincere and messy presentation and story and direction of anything i have ever seen to the point where it feels like i'm playing the room uh sam oh what's his name sam i want to say it's witt wicker sam witt were is the voice actor for deacon st john and he is the guy who voiced star killer apparently which you would be familiar with oh

yeah yeah and i went and tracked down an interview with him where he talks about deacon st john's portrayal because deacon talks to himself deacon talks to himself more than any video game character i can think of ever and sam decided that well if he's talking to himself like this all the time and there's no one around and it's been the apocalypse for 700 plus days he's crazy and boy does that come through because there are there are three deacon st john's one is deacon pretending to be normal which he's bad at and he seems like uh the most unlikable asshole i have ever seen in a game he is like the word i don't like him he is a horrible idiot and he's rude and he's not funny and i just hate him and then there's deacon when he's sneaking around trying to do the gameplay

of you know base dispersal there's a mission where you got to go visit your wife's grave so you sneak into a fema death camp and there are 14 zombies you got to kill and four nine of them he has weird whispery dialogue about what a bunch of bitches they are and take that you motherfucker and he's just mumbling under his breath just oh he isn't any more of you he's trying to use my wife's grave you get out of here and it's unhinged and then you get to his wife's grave and it's not a grave it's just like a decorative rock that was like in front of a building or something that he carved his wife's name into with a knife and then you get the weirdest flashback ever which i'm pretty sure used to be the game's tutorial because it's the start of the outbreak

and it's just them running around and will hard scene transition past what i assume used to be gameplay for like five minutes and it's just 45 second scene cut 45 second scene cut and the dialogue is a mess you're going to a further flashback in which you're hanging out with your wife and all the pacing on the cutscene is broken despite the fact they took away control of you with your motorcycle so you're driving and she says she works on plants and he goes man that's the greatest thing i ever heard and they drive in dead silence for 15 seconds until you hit the next cutscene point the game is like narratively flying apart and the pièce de résistance is you go through this broken flashback and you go through deacon murdering dudes in their camp while shit talking

their corpses and then you get radio free organ on the on the telephone sorry on the radio which is your local conspiracy nut saying the craziest nonsensical left right complete nonsense and then at the end of it deacon starts to complain about the radio broadcast but if you're on your bike it plays the on your bike version of the dialogue which has him screaming over the engine noise but it doesn't matter if the engine's making noise so you're sitting in a clearing listening to a conspiracy radio and then it ends and your character just starts screaming at the top of their lungs i don't know about that cope but i see gas prices are way down you don't know what you're talking about and it is it all combines to the most fascinating character ever it is the

only game that i can think of where you play a 100 unhinged completely crazy person and it's always interesting i don't think he's 100 on hinge i think he's he's coping like significantly with the fact that his wife has died right and he feels guilty like deacon's entire thing is that he's just this incredibly guilty person like the whole reason he's doing anything in this game is because he got his friend's arm fucked up that's it like that's his entire motivation this is the most loyal person in the entire world and all he cares about is doing right by the people that he you know cares about and he feels very deeply like really deep within himself that he's done wrong and he's trying to make amends but he doesn't know how to just come out and say it like his whole

plotline with boozer which is the stupidest name i've ever heard of any character in any video game ever and i've played stalker which has randomized character names like the whole character arc with boozer from the very beginning of the game all the way to the end is like him trying to make up for that one mistake and so i really like deacon because as a big problem with a lot of games is that the first impression is everything right that's that's why you look at this game you're like this is sons of anarchy meets the walking dead this is the most like trying to capitalize on a trend video game ever that's like three years too late because came from the outside yeah you're right it is that yeah i i literally talked to somebody who didn't work on it but

had been taught he'd talked to somebody who had worked on the game who was like one of the leads on it and he was like yeah they were first coming up with the game like i was talking to this guy like a party at gdc and the guy's like yes we're making our next game and it's basically uh the walking dead meets you know sons of anarchy so like this guy was still be like yeah that's literally what they were saying that this game was right it's a terrible pitch and then you get this game that's like you can literally look at the world map and see where hordes of zombies frequent places because they leave mud like they they just flatten all the grass out and you can actually see that it has these really cool details and it it it loves oregon like this is a game that knows exactly

where it's from and tries to bring that space to life as realistically as possible um it's one thing that i love about like necro barista like another game i played it's super australian right when you play games made by people who really care about where they're from it brings something special out in it and then you have this character who's like supposed to be derivative but there's a compassion for the character in the narrative where it's just like this guy yeah he's he's a little nuts and sam whitworth is trying to bring like he is trying to bring crazy to him but he can also i think settles down over the course of the game uh for plot reasons um because the game is a lot of the game is kind of like mad max theory wrote and that

he is reconnecting to other human beings so he's basically feral at the start of the game and then as you progress through the plot by the time you get to the actual end of the game even though he's still a fucking weirdo biker who does shout to himself when he shouldn't be there is a sense that he kind of has mellowed out as he finds reasons to live um and that that is really what the game is about is here's the guy who's finding a reason to live again after he wants to throw his life away pretty much at the start of the game um and it's all about how he connects to other people so i really i enjoy the arc i recognize that it's imperfect but i mean you're talking to somebody whose favorite game is stalker shadow of Chernobyl a game that you know i eventually got to a point

where i wouldn't even save the game anymore because it would crash on save so i mean buggy messed up games are you know a thing that i just accept right biker learns to recon sorry yeah yeah go ahead go ahead no just i was gonna say biker learns to reconnect with people was the experience i had with death stranding um and this sounds kind of similar in that way but um i don't know i guess i'm just wondering like is that is what you're describing like particularly evident throughout the game or is it more of just like a a a subtle thing a long game i can tell you that right now it has that thing where you pick up an upgrade and it fills up a little bar and you can tell exactly how long the game is because of how long it took you to get there it's a beefy fucking game like

i've only seen maybe five percent of it are you are you still on the first map okay yeah then i can't spoil certain things i would say it becomes more evident as certain things happen in the game but it is very much like if death stranding is the hbo show this is like stars network or oh man yeah okay you know it's the it's the slightly less sophisticated version but it's a version that it was so beefy and so satisfying especially once you get like the big machine guns and you're going up against hordes of like 200 zombies it's like oh my god this is they take so long to get to where they need to be that they could have cut a lot i think to get there like it's it's a big problem a lot of games have where they have lots of padding and filler it's like actually if you the more of

this you cut out the better your game is they could definitely have cut a lot especially early on like it i haven't played it since what 2018 i think maybe 2019 um and i restarted the pc version and it was like oh my god i forgot how long this intro is before you can do anything takes for fucking ever what's your favorite thing about it whom are you talking to uh probably yeah god it's either gotta be i think it's the way you engage with the world itself which is a weird response but like because i'm like what am i not getting from the trailers you know it's kind of what i'm wondering so a lot of open world games you know you you do the ubisoft model right you you go over a tower you lit it up you see all these like objectives to go

get right yeah this game kind of has that but it's not really about doing a bunch of little mini games here and there and the clear parts of the map it's more like you're a guy who has to get from point A to point B and this is really becomes more evident the bigger the world gets the more you explore the further your objectives get it's like oh okay i need fuel but i don't have enough fuel and sun's about to hit like sundown is about to hit and like i need to get from a to b but zombies are gonna come out so i know there's a gas station here and i know i can get gas here and that will help me get to where i need to go but there could be a lot of zombies there and so then you bike over there and you're like oh shit there are a bunch of zombies okay i'm gonna

try to lead them away and then i'm gonna try to get fuel and then i'm gonna try to get out of here and for me that like experience of sort of getting into being the biker that really starts to open up once you have a big enough map to actually start testing the limits of your vehicle that's what really starts to get interesting and then they throw in these quests that are like so many games i play like go kill this guy at this place and that's all you do and in this game one of the quests is like so there's this guy's been turning in zombie ears except we found out they're not zombie ears that's what you get like a bounty is whenever you kill a zombie you get their ear and you turn it in um he's been actually taking human ears he's a psycho and you got to go kill him

and i went over to get the guy and he ran away from me which you know okay that's different you know it's not just go shoot a guy uh he ran away from me and then he led me into a horde of about 200 zombies and i was like oh my god are the systems converging is this like the game just randomly doing a thing and no it turns out that's just the way that mission is set up is they put the guy in a location where the zombies would be for that mission and so he will try to lead you there because that's what his ai does or whatever that's what he's scripted to do and you have to get rid of him while taking out like a couple hundred zombies and then we'll have another bounty mission that's like oh there's a biker gang go take him out and

you go there and there's nobody there and then suddenly these bikes like jump over the hill and come up at you and they're spinning around you in circles and it's like every single mission is this distinct there's never any kind of like ubisoft style or just cause style like go to this one location to do the same objectives you've been doing a hundred million times every single one is bespoke okay so all of these things the systems and the quest design feel distinct enough that the whole world feels like a place you can really be in and that's i mean that's what the word immersion is really for like people use immersion to describe basically anything that's where a game is actually immersive it's doing its best to be a real living breathing space

that's a very long answer i know but that's no to me that's kind of the tonic ideal of what an open world game can be is when it becomes alive like that because i that's yeah no because like i said uh the trailer conveys that the the elevator pitch as you described and at least for me i kind of saw that my eyes glazed over and i was like i think i'm fine without that you know i like yeah but uh so i'm curious to know what's what's unique in in this example for to rank so highly for you you know yeah yep it's it's about being alive in a space i just wish i got to like that beginning is is rough like i'm still in what i would consider probably the beginning like you look at the map and you look at it and you see oh this is the white

orchard like baby level this is the the the baby open world before you get to the real open world like that stranding has a baby open world yeah for example um and it is for an open world game that first god i've played it i done two streams and i played it for five six hours on my own and i'm still not out of the baby open world and the baby open world makes you do missions linearly it makes you go okay well here's the next one you gotta go get the kid and here's the next one you gotta go to get the thing and then you gotta go burn these out and it's like i just i it's gonna open up a couple hours after i would have finished a different game okay right is it like introducing you to each type of yeah and it's also setting up like the way camps work and it's setting up

like the the relationship between deacon and his wife and all that stuff um they do something in that story that i burst out laughing at how cliched it was where nobody knows where the zombo virus came in and then you get to the flashback where he meets his wife and his and he's like well what do you do he's like oh i study plants i'm working at the big medical facility that just opened up in oregon and we're researching all sorts of cool new things you can do with plants and you're like oh okay so it's it's the wife's fault it's it's not it's not her fault i'll tell you that much oh yeah okay it's not what you're thinking uh but there is a reason they need to tell you that information um but it has nothing to do with where the virus came from what's one thing i've

forgot to mention that i love about the game is uh when you start the game out the zombies are nesting like they're building actual nests these zombies are they i think they kind of oversold how unique their zombies are but they're still the zombies have like a primitive like cave men approach to living that's really weird and you'll find some like i found some along a river that looked like they were like washing clothes or trying to um it's not like the the dawn of the dead style like they just remember what they did in life it's like there's actually some sort of uh weird thing happening with these zombies that's they kind of start to get into and it gets into more as the game progresses um and there's a post kind of not really post credits but like

you know when you get back out into the open world after an open world game ends yeah there's an additional quest that happens after that where you can go talk to uh somebody who knows what's going on so it's really interesting the most interesting thing that i have discovered from these types is that i got attacked by a dog that was infected and was also exhibiting weird traits like oh it's not a human zombo virus like it usually is it's it's like a whole it's a it's like a broader problem um but a broader problem with that is doc what's the name of these things god this this is the worst part about every zombie game ever they're always afraid of calling them zombies i think these ones are freakers freakers gotta get these freakers man i'm afraid

they'll see and they're calling them ziks oh no you could just call them zombies it's okay no they didn't go with freakers it's there's there's a bit so doc talked about this earlier about like how much these guys love organ i have a friend of mine who's out from organ and i was talking to her about this game and i'm like everyone in this game is completely insane and this place feels like a fictional location made by weirdos and she said to me no that's just organ and i went oh and then i checked around and like you know no it's that's organ is a fucking zany place and having them called freakers and like the the the meth a net like proximity just it like it just instantly makes you go it's just a plague of

methodics it's just it's so fucking unfortunate it's so bad i'll take that's fine you know just the infected that's fine what's worse is that they have subdivision names dependent on their thing like there are newts there are swimmers etc and those are all fine because they're descriptive but the the the genus the top level is the freakers oh man i swear i'm gonna make a zombie game just so i can call them zombies just because i'm tired of games where they don't call them zombies so yeah i think left for dead and um i was gonna say um um zombie land as well like one of the notable things was like they're like oh in world in canon zombies exist in fiction therefore they're actually calling them

zombies resident evil also calls them zombies which is like appreciated um it's oh it's what uh freaker i can't get over it's so fucking bad it's so fucking bad that's that's one of the worst ones i've ever heard careful man the freakers are coming like this is really bad one that's not great yeah so that's days gone that game's kind of a mess but it's also kind of great um like the the the the the camera direction is all over the place and characters act weird inside their own cutscenes and it occasionally breaks and now it it's like that's like it's like stable and it breaks near like ha ha or on on release it was like an absolute like trash fire completely falling the pieces mess like this is i'm having a very different

experience that that compared to people who bought it on ps4 when it came out i i got it like a couple weeks after it launched on ps4 because it was like oh i have some best buy gift card and i should do something with it and so i'm gonna buy this game that looks terrible and i i guess i came right after like the first couple of major patches or something because it was i didn't have any problems on my pro um like occasionally i saw people i saw folks talk about how not buggy when i played an open world game that's not buggy yeah on release or after closest the cleanest cleanest i've played was breath of the wild yeah yeah i could see that you know breath of the wild does that by basically just deleting everything and restarting every like 48 hours in game though

with the blood moon yeah that's just that's just responding everything so that you don't have to deal with uh the bugs basically but like do do do mmo's count as open world games i don't generally do that but i mean like i think about like you know people like oh red dead redemption greatest game of all time a bunch of people think that for some reason and that game had fucking cougar man you know a bug where like they accidentally attached a man skeleton to a cougar so it's like going around on all fours like meowing like a cougar and attacking you like a cougar but it's a person like a human skeleton like tripling just release like that all the time and they get tons of praise and then suddenly some games come along that have the same bugs and people like oh

my god this is the worst game ever and i've never understood that double standard so i can actually uh chat is helping me significantly i can't actually say some open world games that i played that released clean both spider man's uh horizon zero dawn uh goes to sushima sushima had bugs oh i didn't encounter a single one i got i got i caught but that's unfortunate yeah uh every yakuza game bug catcher look it literally was my career prior to this yes and again i exhibit an aura that makes the game break for some stupid reasons so fine fine sorry for sorry i had to play devil's advocate i'd say the yakuza series is probably the best example but the yakuza series doesn't have like items like no that's not true hold on zero i fucking almost had a corrupted

save uh when a bunch of weird items started showing up in my inventory that's your fault like i i i was uh walking up to a sleeping shake down and then i go to check my inventory and all my my like drinks are replaced with random bugged out items and everyone's like dude turn the game off now or it'll corrupt your save so yeah the yakuza doesn't get to be on that list also those are like the smallest open world games in history like that's like one city block it's one city yeah they're all the best ones oh i love them but they're i don't even think of them as open they barely qualify they're they're like in my in my opinion there's like a wild difference between one like if you want to break down every open world game into two genres it's can do items

exist right so in days gone i dropped an item and then i came back later and it was still there in a Bethesda game if you put an item on the ground or knock it over and come back it's still there and it's like oh the the game's keeping track of all these things with flags and memory and all that stuff and then there's stuff that like you know the yakuza series where it's like if you're not looking at it it's not there hmm what about like just cause two i am not familiar with that game at all uh tested it for like the better part of a year what do you want to know the most busted buggy insanely unclean like open world of them all like yeah just causes amongst the worst offenders of buggy ass fucking games easily free i love that game to pieces but i mean

you are not saying anything wrong about it like i can't be like guy on the internet who's like how dare you you know shit on my favorite game i know i can't couldn't do it it's so buggy you can round the corner and see where the the in this in the towns you can round the corner and see the spawn point where the people come from they literally get dropped in an alleyway from the sky and then they file out from the alleyway and then go along their tracking paths and once you get close enough to a town um it's great you summon a supply crate uh in a location near uh uh like an already parked vehicle you can get the two vehicles to spawn inside of each other consistently creating the the the skyrim like um momentum uh um yeah momentum bug here momentum bug exactly

where they they float into the sky and explode and send anything around them flying miles away from the the the point they're at like it just causes one of them the most ridiculous ones with with how uh uh messy it shipped we tried we tried though i mean i mean i don't think i've ever played a game where i couldn't praise qa for doing the job like qa is always saying you know they're always finding amazing shit and you're like holy fuck i can't believe we left that in you know um i was talking to somebody on a triple a game about a certain famous first person shooter series uh you know and qa found it qa found that the input lag on the first person shooter was really bad and uh i was talking to somebody who'd shipped that game like one of the design guys on

it and i'm trying not to name the series but it was about 150 second or 150 millisecond lag on the sticks really bad holy shit massive and i was like why did you ship like that and he goes we shipped like that like qa had found it but they shipped the game like that and you know it's games just have problems that like no matter what you do no matter what you try you know qa can find the bugs they can help you repro the bugs and sometimes you're just like we can't we don't have the time we don't have the budget we don't have the money like i wish we could fix but we can't we'll try to fix it later we'll not fix yep or the fix is just too hard to solve right um it sometimes the problem seems simple like destiny one had that uh ammo bug where like

you would always have one less ammo than you should in a heavy slot which is really bad because there isn't a lot of heavy ammo um that took them like six months to find the cause for and actually fix like it's bugs are hard so i'm always forgiving of of games especially open world games where you have a billion systems you know colliding i'm always i have to be forgiving especially as a game developer you know there's uh there's cases too where you'll run into things where it's like yes that's bad and it creates a an impact on the user's experience but it does not fail any compliance it doesn't fail any guidelines we're allowed to ship we're not gonna get in trouble we're not losing any money we can ship it and so they just go ahead and and fucking stamp the

approval on it you know um i was around i was i was still in the industry when the transition from um single save console um uh games uh moved over to system saves and then progress saves and that on its own just a change like that was humongous you know like the effects of how many things can go wrong when you have uh two separate save files or two separate save functions next to each other i mean fucking um a tomb raider remake uh like the issues we ran into because it had um system progress and then a container saved for both and like something could go wrong with one and it was meant to be like oh don't worry we'll just delete that but we'll replace it with a clean one but then it always led back to like corrupting the other two

even though you don't notice right away so you think it fixes one of the issues that you and then you like oh we'll keep well you'll lose your settings but we'll replace it with a new one and but then the other two are now corrupted and it's not immediately apparent you know and like shit like that fucking works its way through where the the uh weird behavior you get will only figure you'll only see uh evidence of it hours in you know and it was just like oh my god like this made it this this one change in how games are made was had a huge impact on how testing would go you know yeah yeah i i will say the only time i've ever felt justified in being pissed at a bug was uh a certain publisher decided that your pre-order dlc could only be redeemed on one save

and you would have to pay if you wanted it again oh wow my 19 hour save corrupted after a patch and so i just didn't have my pre-order dlc anymore after that and like wow to me the issue there wasn't the you know like it sucked that i lost 19 hours of gameplay but the the piece that i got mad at was like them just basically being like yeah you're fucked you don't get that thing you paid money for yeah you know unless you want to buy it again we call that that's where i felt like a crossing line yeah that's that's when uh paul marketing is doing his job he's uh stepping in to the board meetings and he's he's making sure they implement those things yeah that's fucking horseshit man this is a great conversation that we can use to lead into the new cyberpunk

i just realized oh man dude i have a bunch of shit on the docket that is not one of them so real quick all right so i'll just say it the next gen versions of cyberpunk have been delayed as of now to 2022 okay okay which makes the pc version retroactively for real early access not even joking unironically like a hundred percent well um i continue to wait until the game is in a state where i'm where i want to play it because i have no problem just putting that off until 2022 then that's fine what it's what it's when the food's ready i'll sit down and eat it i have no interest until then does that mean that tim rogers is going to be releasing a long form review of an early access game oh my god maybe i mean i don't want to i don't want to be that guy but it runs

fine on my pc you know like but i have a 2080 ti that he's you know making video games so yeah i i have a 3080 and it runs like shit on mine that sucks other than the occasional like tea posing guy who just floats into the air i don't really have any problems i you know sure i wish that the ai pathfinding on on like driving was better beyond that no no better or worse than any other triple a game i played well i mean i had a level in battlefield 4 where everything turned invisible and that was like a year after the game came out yeah i had to i had to run through the level by smashing my face into walls and seeing a tank that was trying to target me but couldn't because there was an invisible building in the way that

was fun i also would prefer to play a version of it that has the opportunity to patch up all of the major stuff that we've been seeing happening right like if you had a clean run then you're you're one of the lucky ones because a lot of the people we spoke to had their tweets of just like this is my this is my first time here's what i saw you know and just like chronicling the the the bullshit over over uh you know like one one or two hours of gameplay and it seems pretty rough so um although before we jump right into the news we do have some sponsors we need to take care of oh and before we jump into that i will say uh a quick uh i played virtual fight or five uh ultimate showdown this morning uh i had a bunch of god damn awful underwater

matches i tested it with a friend of mine on the west coast and some of our matches were great and some of our matches were so bad that it felt unplayable i don't know what the fuck is going on with that games netcode because there are a lot of virtual fighter players saying that it's actually quite good i i do not know what to believe i will have to do more testing but currently it looks like a mess okay well that was on the docket too but i mean there's not much to say except for like yep the game is here it's out they have announced it and it doesn't have roll back netcode um which you know created a suitable level of noise because everyone was like the thing to do right now is if you're going to bring out an old game and essentially not announce a new one

and if this is essentially what the franchise is at the very least you can get netcode that you know we can use we've talked about it many times on the podcast of course um honestly uh and then that kind of led to some debate in the fgc about whether games uh are fine without it or are they needed or they don't and a lot they do they're not fine without it a lot of hot takes flew by but i think um keats had an excellent one um because basically the the idea was like if there's an amazing game coming out that deserves support but a lot but people choose to not support it because it doesn't have roll back then then you're letting a good game die in a way and it's like well yeah but no the developer is it so this is this is kind of the idea is that like

we like it hurts when an amazing game like i said samurai showdown news hurts everybody and that loves the game right now because we do like this game but we don't have locals anymore like we literally like this is what the reality of the situation and if you're ignoring it then that's going to have an effect i mean i i think the fact that people have gotten um very like clear about what they want out of fighting games and netcode is a good thing um to uh um yeah keats that was like basically explained um it's not a complicated having roll back does not guarantee support not having roll back guarantees a lack of support right so you throw it in or you don't like if you if you don't it's now going to be an issue because this is the only way we can play together

we're not gonna get fucking preset going the most frustrating thing that i've i've had over this like the most frustrating i think i've ever been about a fighting game is that uh people are saying well i mean if the online's bad then i mean then vf will live and die by its locals and with the pandemic winding down you know you can just play vf at your locals and i'm like we're talking about virtual fighter what fucking locals for virtual fighter what planet are you on that anyone gives a shit about virtual fighter that's a ridiculous silly take i hung out with a group of like a dozen fighting game dweebs you one of them in college woolly crazy about fighting games you skipped all of our classes you were the only one that ever was willing to play virtual fighter with

me and that was about as good as it gets that was in a universe that was in a college in a major city with millions of people i could find one guy and that guy went on to make a fucking series of video series at his job about fighting games this is not a representative sample yeah the the magic of it too is that not only does having rollback allow you to play good players well to play well with other people that are interested it lets you play more people than you otherwise could right it lets you stabilize connections with places where you usually would be terrible under delay base so you increase the pool of an already small fan base as well it's just it's such a net positive it's a it's a silly thing for them to just kind of pretend it doesn't

exist but as we've been saying for you know the last two years now at least since since the covid hit is like a lot of japan when it comes to fighting game development is going to take their sweet time getting pushed into this they're not doing it really and strive this kind of the proving ground for all for a lot of these companies oh my god woolly there is real news about the virtual fight or five netcode from one Maximilian dude oh is that the tweet that confirmed the the the netcode so he is he is retweeting a gentleman named zane die apparently i talked with a friend on the rgg team working on vf us we got to talking about the netcode and apparently from my understanding they are using the delay based frame of the game and turning

it into blitz netcode using dedicated latency servers for limited predictions long story short it is supposed to create zero input delay using servers as a middleman i was told it is supposed to be better than peer-to-peer netcodes like delay or rollback i think this is what infinite versus incident versus yes oh blitz code live blitz netcode lives again the joke becomes real max's response curious to check it out although it seems like a lot of pre-baked input latency will be present yes there is delay net play really sucks as the latency can be variable things like parset can fix this it seems as if this is a similar solution ec to wc will be interesting to test that explains my experience because in some matches i had zero delay on my moves and on

some matches it was like playing underwater i couldn't do anything and this was not consistent even between the same opponent from match to match it seemed like who got the latency was sliding around to one person or the other so anyone who who wants to see an example of blitz netcode in action can go back and take a look at our infinite versus video and there's a couple of tweets showing off what this fucking netcode looks like but like okay that is the funniest most ridiculous surreal thing ever to see that like this this crazy random steam games thing came back to now haunt us in virtual fighter but the fact that they even went that way is telling me i'm inferring a message here that's like we know that we need to improve on delay

based netcode but we don't want to implement rollback or ggpo where it sounds like anything but the thing that the westerners made like it sounds like an active pushback against it at this point because you're going so round about with this new other experimental thing versus the thing that works that is given away free that's coming from the west yes but like i don't know what it is i can't understand why so much aggression about it you know anyway it's it's gonna be do you think do you think that the virtual fighter the rgg team if you tell them that blitz netcode was actually already created by westerners as well that they will remove online play from virtual fighter five i mean i don't i don't know but look i i don't want to just assume it's the same thing

every single time but the pattern is so fucking telling at this point i like i said i think we're gonna see the slow slow roll of like um you know strife implements it then may be another you know what i mean like it's like only when they can turn to other japanese developers that are like that have been doing it the same way and they can find out directly from them okay this is good we can do it this way can we refer to you can we you know talk to an expert that you guys have to help us out with this i think that's when they'll do it because um for example strife reached out to zenak who you know was heavily involved in getting it running as smooth as it was and just that movement

itself is something that like a lot of the other studios we're talking about are just not willing to do they don't want to ask anyone they don't want to reach out they don't want to do anything that involves going external and then you put the game up and you can't expect people to not be you know vocal about the the issue when they can't fucking play it properly and it's free on ps plus i know that but like it doesn't change the fact that like this is such an easy slam dunk at this point the answer has been floating around there's no way they haven't heard about it and putting in blitznet code means you you're actively dodging rollback to the best of your ability oh man i can't it's uh i'm so stupid i thought you were gonna make

reference to the other thing max tweeted out which uh i retweeted earlier which is which is that uh it's it's footage of proof of rollback in whether they're doing kage where kage is doing his rollback attack uh yeah yeah so anyway um yeah uh fucking you know rip but hey you got what you wanted right you got virtual fighter shut up shut up no don't you say that lie to me continue can please enjoy uh uh yak is a implementation of this game which uh and now sonic the fighters is coming i believe they said so that's there's that that's cool maybe you know what maybe the version that's been hacked where someone were uh were they extracted the pc version out that had the 360 xbox live prompts and everything maybe some fans can get that working on rollback like they

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okay well we're coming off i told you docks of verbose bitch i did i told you it's true i am a verbose bitch we learned i mean you fit in stir a thing on here yeah so first things first um obviously uh you know we weren't able to do this last week but kentaur amira passed away uh rest in peace you know like the oh great i mean ever said yeah creator berserk uh suddenly um uh passed and you know everyone i mean it really did like everyone came out and just like started dropping all these panels and all these quotes and all these pages of just like you know the most meaningful moments to take away from from berserk and it it kind of shows you that it's like yeah like what it's one of these long four mangas that you know it it it starts one way and then it kind

of just becomes this large life metaphor you know and there's so much and there's so many examples the fact that there were like so many examples to go with of just like here's a just a an introspective guts moment that you can use to just like take with you as life advice is is fucking incredible i mean what else can we say it's what it's berserk it inspired guaranteed it inspired one of the things you loved you know like tupac has that line where he's like i'm not going to be the one that changes the world but i'm going to spark the brain that changes the world i guarantee it it's like that where it's like berserk 100 percent will have inspired someone who made something that you love it is listening to this podcast yeah i i remember somebody uh somebody had said they

started reading it a couple months ago like when they're this is like last week when you know he passed and people were talking about it somebody said oh yeah i just started reading it and and as i was reading it was like oh my god everything i love comes from this oh yeah like this is the source like dark souls the fucking castlevania tv show you know just weird shit you know the first person shooter i'm trying to make it has influences from berserk like i think everybody i know creatively has some berserk inspiration it is one of the most important works of fiction of the entire 20th and 21st centuries i think if you've ever liked a character with a big sword there it is you're already in the clouds life comes from berserk he does it's it's fascinating because

usually when you go to something that inspired a ton of work it can end up retroactively feeling derivative to a new viewer or a new reader um there's no chance of that on berserk like you go back to any page or any panel and it's still exploding with quality and inventiveness that even though people have been like omaging or ripping it off or whatever you want to call it for decades it's still not berserk god damn it like it's it's it's it's own it's own thing forever what was really shocking was that um so when the news came out it was already like three weeks since it had happened because he passed in early may um and uh i remember one week we were talking about i think it was two episodes ago on the podcast where there was a pop-up where something

where like a fake tweet was coming out saying oh um berserk netflix series confirmed or whatever and i looked and i'm like that is like i'm like source some random guys twitter trust me dude you know is like yeah we're not like don't even bring this up this is nonsense until proven otherwise and like that had come up and like uh again that was like maybe like the 12th or 13th or something like that and it's like yeah and he he had already passed he passed on like the fifth or fourth or something along those lines you know so um i guess it just yeah it wasn't it wasn't you know like brought up until much later but um i mean what i can tell i'm i haven't caught up so i'm definitely behind i'm you know i have a a whole lot of rereading to do at this point since it's been

years since i read it but um what i can tell for a it sounds like a lot of people are like i'm okay with where it got to so i i'll weigh in on this uh as i caught up myself it it it got to a place that it is so okay if it ended right here that it almost feels like murah knew he was going to pass away wow like it has a a aggressive break point where it could just end forever or it could be continued even by somebody else and it would be kind of fine but it this whole situation paints berserk and people's perceptions of berserk and to a degree game of thrones in a new context which is uh everybody everybody shit on slash teased uh berserk for the boat which was what eight years of on and off almost total hiatus and then a hiatus

here and a hiatus there and then when murah went back to work at a regular rate his heart exploded like he had a aortic uh rupture and his heart blew up in his chest and you look at uh like the hunter hunter author and how he had you know in some cases was drawing like on napkins yeah yeah like from the hospital and the discussion about the way mangaka are like habitually overworked and the own interviews with murah here and there over the years of his editors like coming and banging on his door and screaming at him to stop spending all day on a single panel like the the boat ride and the hiatus stuff with the uh with berserk really makes a lot more sense in context of like riding berserk was directly deleterious to murah's health

like there is a a one to one like i'm not a doctor but it seems to me that a 54 year old man in otherwise good health's heart bursting essentially is out of the ordinary we we talked like at the beginning of this podcast about you know um wanting to work in an environment where people are happy and not crunched and not stressed and not under constant pressure um but when you are your own like when you are your own cruel manager in a way you can overwork yourself even without anyone being there to whip you you know like um i was on vacation last week and i still streamed three times i was injured and i finished another episode of guilty gear lore like it it yes it it it is a thing but um in this particular case yeah you don't know yeah like i think we've all done that

like we've all found ourselves in a place where we really shouldn't be working but we are we're choosing to and you know after my run in with my actual heart and i had a doctor saying you have a congenital heart defect and we can fix it but you need to take it easy for like three months and do nothing like nothing i had to learn i had to develop a habit of oh i have to stop and it is me i know so many people because you know like i said earlier creeps up on you right you don't even know you're burned out until it's too late you have to bake it into your process you have to make yourself take time or you will die unfortunately and that's that's what happens to guys like Mira or fucking the guy i did uh astro boy tizuka tizuka died pretty early too yeah

yeah i mean i think um for me i feel like i can i can peg it down too because i had like when during my college days like i you know i was kind of the i went to this extremely intense technical program um uh for art that was just like it it it fucked me up in in ways that i'm still like my entire sleep schedule being broken my so much of my health and things like that came from like those those fucking years of insane um it was crunch it was three years of crunch essentially in school um but um yeah so that kind of just taught me about like okay well you got to hustle you got to work you got to do things you know we we um they found a way to put like yeah like the maximum course load limit i think was eight classes and they gave us 14

it was it was insane you know but um what what i remember was like i already kind of had that habit develop and then something uh over the years was when um youtube stuff was going good and stuff started popping off and everything was happening i remember there was a moment where i kind of realized that like okay i'm working like on my own thing i can do whatever i want i can decide how i want things to go and i and i had a moment where i kind of realized that it's like because i i have this like freedom in a way i know that like i have an opportunity to do things and put them out there to an audience that exists which is a massive thing that that other people don't have and and and people are like again i know i know that i'm really fortunate to have that ability to

like talk to an audience because so many people are working on projects that that's all they want to do so with that comes a feeling of well i have to like make sure to be grateful for this and capitalize on it and use it and put things out there because if you don't you're wasting that opportunity you know you're wasting the fact that you have a kind of spotlight or of some kind to put things out into and that kind of leads to me always going like make something else try something else keep it going you know yeah yeah work the whole everything i mean work-life balance sounds like the kind of thing that like an s l h r manager trying to trick you into stealing your lunch break came up with but i just mean the term sounds scummy but like it's important one of the

most interesting things that i found out uh because i've been looking up a lot of endwalker stuff and there's been a lot of yoshi p interviews particularly in regards to like soken uh beating his cancer in a remission but still working from the hospital and one of the interesting things is that the ff 14 team on average works six hour days they don't even work eight hour days i remember reading a study that said that we we actually found out that scientifically speaking the most productive you can be is i think 30 hours a week like if you actually cap at 30 hours a week whether that's four eight hour days or five six hour days i think that's how math works i'm bad at math um yeah if you do that you actually make better work than if you just try to add more hours

to it yeah and that's what things like the mythical man month they're about and all this other stuff is the more time you spend doing something doesn't make it better it actually makes it worse i've seen people overwork and then make mistakes that they wouldn't have made if they were sharp a million oh that's the number one that's the that's the that's the number one thing against crunch is like yeah you're putting more hours in and that's good i guess until somebody makes a mistake that costs more hours to fix than it took to get there yep yep i mean i've multiple times i've told the story on this podcast about the the guy who took a triple shift who worked fucking day shift night shift and then grave shift all back to back and at the end of it he

was just typing nonsense into the bug database until someone had to get on the phone and call him and and and like he and uh when uh you know what my coordinator went over and tapped him on the shoulder dude was just standing there with like watering eyes practically tearing up sitting at the desk because he'd been working for basically 20 hours and then they're like oh yeah you can't do this anymore and then the office went okay no more triple shifts allowed where it's kind of like i don't even know if that was legal to begin with it's not not in this province yeah well there you go you know like it was it was like they're not that a fucking company like that would have given a shit you know but yeah anyway um yeah man berserk you know that's it like when you

when you take a look at the um the the the the the the whatever what should we call it the amazon like book list or whatever it was just berserk volumes one through 20 flying off the shelves because it's just like yep time to read it it's uh probably the most like amazing story that i i got out of all of this is that the uh writer and author of has jimeno ipo i forget that gentleman's name but uh described how murah actually came to work for him as an assistant when yes it was starting out yes i saw that and he worked from for a year and he's looking murah's work and he's like i'm firing you you need to go because i can't teach you anything and you're already better than i am you need to go make your own thing now i mean having george

morica was say that to you must have been like like like just one of the greatest things that ever happened to me or at least in terms of confidence like morica was only a year older or is only year older than than murah like they're they're pretty similar in age but to hear that from the creator of literally one of the most iconic manga of all time must have been just the coolest compliment ever um you know it's like i'm too good to work on hajime no ipo are you for real man yeah i think all the all the praise that has made me the happiest has either been when people are like this hit me in a personal way or it's when somebody professionally who i admire is like yeah you're really this is really good like like that there's just something really special about

people who know your discipline complimenting you that's very different than people who don't so i can i can't even begin to imagine i what i had to say about murah's thing was just it sucks that he wasn't able to finish his opus like i don't care so much about me getting the ending i just wish he'd been able to get there and feel the victory of it for me that's the biggest tragedy like whether or not i get to an ending or not sure i think we'd all love to have got an ending but him not being able to get to the ending it's it's like when you a race car driver doesn't hit his finish line right it's he deserved that so that kind of sucks so to to that point um barely a couple months ago i was talking about um another series that you know my my my favorite manga is

vagabond and uh the creator in a way like stopped midway through at volume 37 um and just went on pretty much indefinite hiatus and you know we just never really got to find out why until like recently where like we found out that like yeah similar kind of situation he was dying making this it was it was draining him like to to levels that like nothing else in his life was causing him anxiety and stress it was insane um he had to stop but and i mean and it shows how much of his like soul is on these pages when you open up any one of these volumes and take a look at what the the level of um again like neurotic detail put into everything but um he did get to have uh a he had a a like kind of an art show where he just drew a collection of um images that show

like what would happen to his character over the years with time and it kind of gave the image of like this is what the ending would have been um and uh that finally got released and then we were able to look at that and get honestly a really strong and good sense of closure out of this story so he was able to see what was happening in a way and headed off at the pass and then he just kind of like drew images of where the story would have gone and then that was the the the the the book end on it you know um mira didn't get that and yeah that that sucks yeah i do also feel too that like um it way less you know uh as important in that way but

like it feels as if like that and uh berserk isn't it what used to be in a similar place to jojo where it was just like this thing just cannot get adapted successfully by anyone else like no one gets how to do this and araki was able to eventually you know like he hung or he's or he's around and he was able to get to the point where now david production is here making uh the franchise like making an incredible adaptation of his work um and berserk it's like with these movies you can get these moments but like it it just seemed like the kind of thing that like unless like just the best teams the best teams possible got together to work on this it feels like berserk was almost unadaptable by any average anime studio you know considering how many times it was botched

was that like three tries uh i want to say yeah three sounds right three tries yeah yeah well i actually have never seen the adaptations i've only read the manga and now i have all of the volume sitting in my my room and it's it's uh i'm six foot tall and all the volumes that are currently out go all the way up to my knee like it's huge uh i think you can go back and watch like 97 it's old as fuck and it's and it's got like one of the legendarily most awful fucking intros and outros but um the the actual score in the show is fire and like you can go back to that 2d one right like not the anime 2d one yeah okay i've seen some stuff with that it makes me want to check it out but dodge that 3d dodge that fucking dodge it dodge it

yeah i mean somebody took my favorite manga of all time and made it 3d and it broke my heart which was uh to tomo nihay's blame the 3d movie for netflix it's just yeah yeah blame we're talking about a manga that has 90 pages of no dialogue at all it can't get adapted but they kept trying they tried and they missed even before that netflix thing they tried um a series of like shorts there were like 10 minute episodes that were just they're more or less the only right yeah yeah exactly yeah and it was just like um man some things are just meant to be the medium they were conceived in you know yeah i'd say most things are honestly

what's the audios manga probably won't be a manga figured out how to do a tv show though which is audios and audios 2 is one tv series i gotta say the phrase audios 2 is just like deeply hilarious to me the the name is audios 2 colon aloha so that's partly because it's in hawaii and partly because it's really fucking funny oh man strong i mean i i like i like to think that what i did you know there are moments of audios that i think are perversely funny and i want to keep that going also um you're inspired audios you wouldn't know this because we couldn't afford the art to get in the game but we mentioned farmer working on uh we're fighting in vietnam uh we were gonna have a like a portrait of him and all

his war buddies there and one of the guys was gonna be a man with a goat head like the goat priest from berserk um so he's gonna show up in audios 2 now instead of audios one but yeah see i was what i was waiting to hear he like yeah it turns out farmers got a brand on the back of his neck actually yeah maybe just like what this is this is just a world where people uh certain people are animal people and that was that's because i love the the goat apostle i love that visual design that uh miradid uh well so there's that um and then like yeah well i don't know not much else to say but uh rest in peace murah um fucking again like just master of your medium and uh everyone read berserk like that's that's it yeah good all right um we pretty much touched

on what we were gonna say about virtual fight or five so i'll leave that that guy's since deleted his twitter account so i don't know what's going on cool uh but uh there's some other things going on one you got that dead by daylight resident evil crossover i'm bad with nemesis need more practice i also want to say that i totally called this entire dlc 100 percent i said it was gonna be nemesis i said it was gonna be leon and jill i said it was gonna be the rpd and even said that nemesis would use his tentacle and cause like a plague status effect like the plague character i'm basically a genius thank you thank you everyone i'm just kind of amazed that um asked to mouth studios eventually became this fucking super successful thing that's

behaviors doing good with this game like it's it's such a far distance from the days of testing their mobile stuff you know um they used to be called a two they used to be called a two m studios literally that was the studio name they didn't know wow they're french they just they just didn't know i had a friend start playing it a couple weeks ago and he's been streaming it to me and if i was into this kind of game this game seems pretty much perfect like this is just one of the like have you ever sat there and just admired a games design because that's where i'm at with with dead by daylight it's like holy shit i'm jealous so i've definitely played enough of it to tell you it is not perfect there are problems oh yeah none of those problems overwhelm

that's like haha i'm playing michael miers and i'm gonna stab ash williams from evil dead and it's good it's a fun game to play that's good so i think the first asymmetric game that i've ever played was luigi's mansion on nintendo world and maybe they played something before that but that's the first one that i like i remember having a moment of thinking like oh oh this is something really interesting like giving one player more ability and like just balancing around the fact that it's you know it's a lopsided battle um and that was like such a cool idea or it's just like yeah okay no do this please more of this you know uh uh a crawl is another really great example there was uh that one game of the hidden the half life two mod i

want to say i think there's happened in one mod as well i remember seeing that come out and trying to figure out like why doesn't evolve work why does this game work and evolve doesn't i finally realized in a game like hide and seek it needs all the power and when four people are ganging up on one person it doesn't feel very fun but when one person is ganging up on four people not really ganging up because it's one person but you know when one person is kind of the it figure it works so i think that's why friday the 13th and dead by daylight and the hidden and things like that work whereas games like evolve or you know fable legends stuff like that didn't work is because it was one person having to lose to four other people and that just isn't fun yeah it's also why

snake versus guards and mgs3's original online worked because while snake had a lot more tools to use like that's still seven other dudes just looking for you it's a lot but like i was gonna say because i didn't i didn't really touch that um like was that in and of itself like how what was the best well like blah snake had more tools but was that the only balancing thing that they had going for him no he was he was strong he was the equivalent of three guards in terms of power but he was not the equivalent of seven guards okay yeah like if they found him for real like that's that was the end of that yeah so asymmetrical games are just a fucking cool ass concept uh kudos dead by daylight on

they're also like really easy like horribly botch like evolve was a great example like man every version of that stuff sucks is i went and played like a bot match version in the game like not too long ago i was clearing out my xbox and seeing things i had installed on it and i was like i never did properly play this i haven't played since the alpha i wonder if this is any good and i played it it's like oh this could have been really fun if they just didn't make it asymmetrical like if they just made it a pve game i think it would have been amazing the other thing that game had a problem was was that the the balance the power shifts like really dramatically between uh if you can catch the monster at

stages one and two it's like a win but if the monster gets to the third stage like you're fucking fucked yep and it's like no it should just be a more balanced version of one of those stages after they came after they came out they did a like a one of those post mortems and they were like you know the problem with the game was probably that we all wanted it to be fun and so we were all kind of pretending it was more fun than it was they were like you know at the same time a bunch of people like would play it at shows and seem to think it was fun so they were sort of figured out and i was sitting there going oh the reason it works is because when you're all in the same room together you don't feel like you're playing against each other there's a camaraderie there

that you get when you're like all in a show room and it's a bunch of people on the floor you don't get that really online show yeah it was fun in the same room it was it was a blast we sat down in these fancy gamer chairs with these high-end pcs uh four v four sorry four v one and we're all big group and we're all yelling at each other was the fucking it was the ideal scenario it was great it was that that that energy of being right there in this at the same time it's a huge difference yeah um uh so also the dead by daylight like the the fact that they've gotten this many guest tie-in things going strong as well is like um kind of a miraculous smash brothers ask juggling act it's it's become very clear that there's only one they're not

going to get and anything else they go after they will but the only one they're never going to get is jason because they've got the biggest and he and he has his own game which is the competition but like yeah but like everybody like pyramid head and nemesis are hanging out with ash and mike mires and leather face and so that's the thing to the demo gorgon from stranger things so that's the thing is like there's usually like you you you can see like a list of like you know these are some classic horror inspirations and characters coming in as guests but the fact that they got to pyramid head and they got to resident evil is like oh they're actually they're getting like japan involved too they're getting like these game legendary game franchises involved you

know so like they've got the access they're reaching out there now that's like i would i mean page page the one who got me into it she's crazy in the dead by daylight but we've been talking for years it's like it's only matter of time before the xenomorph gets in and like why not like like literally why not like nemesis does put a lot of hopes it's it's wait does he own the xenomorph yeah because they own fox and fox owns alien so oh jeez you know god that's why the alien the alien queen is now a disney princess um yeah so there's a rights issue that disney's going through right now because they bought fox and so they think they own all the stuff but they're not paying people rights for like

the adaptations like i think alan dean foster is going through this a bunch of other people they're disney's like no we bought the rights we didn't buy the obligations which is not how rights work uh and you buy the rights you have to pay royalties that's they're not paying yeah they're not paying people royalties and a bunch of like writing guilds and stuff are like whoa hold up so the guys who wrote the original predator movie uh are now arguing against disney about right stuff too so they can't as far as i know do anything to that predator game either because disney also owns predator um so that's kind of like they can't like add content to that i think we heard the same thing about the friday 13th is there's more like 80s right stuff at play so

whether or not those characters come in might not be just about their own games it might also be about who owns the rights now and whether or not the original creators are getting a cut and stuff like that because it sounds like the at least in the case of predator those guys are actively blocking any additional predator content from being created hey you guys you keep going for five minutes i gotta take the dog out but uh no now that we have a guest there's no reason to stop the podcast i'm gonna heat my headphones on so i can hear most of it but i'll be right back um all righty well moving along then uh what do we got going on over here uh there's hmm let's jump over to well here's just a quick heads up to anybody who uh might want to take

notice uh there's a really cool new fighting game that i've been following called blazing strike by uh someone on twitter called rare breed makes games and uh they've been working on this and it's a really cool classic looking beautiful sprite fighting game and uh it got picked up by axis so just heads up for anyone who wants something that looks you know it looks like pretty much like that 99 2000 era third strike mark of the wolf style like really clean sprite work uh check it out blazing strike uh and yeah getting basically this indie game getting picked up by axis is awesome because i mean this has been worked on for a while now and and it's it's nice to see kind of like i don't know if it's a one-man project but from the way it sounded over the

years it seemed like it it's just great to see that game getting recognition um we're absolutely yeah we're absolutely i just looked it up looks great yeah yeah you weren't kidding gonna i'm gonna jump on uh getting to fighting games with that as soon as possible uh i cannot wait um it looks like the kind of game i would have spent just infinite quarters on you know back in the day um so yeah that's blazing strike uh what else have we got over here let's jump over to uh okay i'll just i'll squeeze this out real quick but um there's a Gundam seed thing happening i'm not a particular fan of Gundam seed i don't know if you know anything about Gundam have you uh perused i just i just started watching like a little bit of it some people

like you know you need to start with char's counterattack and i was like completely lost because okay that's insane yeah i told you to do that what crazy person it was like 10 years ago so put me off it for a while and then somebody said no start with iron-blooded orphans so i started watching that that was pretty cool but i'm so pretty new to Gundam so people suck people are so bad at recommending things i it bothers me so much because most of the time not always most of the time it's real simple but people just try to they go well no but i like this one the best let me just tell them to go watch the cool thing right away and it's just like you don't realize that context matters and like oftentimes with these things it's like where do i start the answer should be at the

beginning how do i get into Gundam how do i get into jojo how do i get into metal gear whatever just start like you start at the begin one go you know um Gundam like yeah i honestly like it's a crazy series it's a crazy long-running thing there's a millions and millions of things to watch but to be perfectly honest i feel as if um like if you watch the original thing from 79 and you see what that is knowing that it's old because you know how old it is you can you can you know imagine you know and then you can like from there you can decide whether or not you like what this is about and then you know check out the other stuff but i like that's one of those shows where i'm like yeah i think you can go back and watch it it's old but you just knowing it's old

realize you're watching an old thing and that'd be it um i mean i i know it's not near as old but i started watching el hazard not too long ago and it's very 90s wow yeah okay yeah it's it's fun you know and then from there i've started to jump into some stuff so you know i i'm very much that like 96 to 2008 era person with my anime consumption for sure i'm trying to branch out which is one of the reasons why i watched modica last week and and i just finished yesterday i watched a akodama drive which is like brand new but it's by the day oh yeah i got that was exciting i'm so i'm about four episodes in um and pretty cool i haven't gone back to to binge the rest of it but i like what they started i like what they're putting down you got something to look forward to

then it gets it's wild and i mean like it's it's um um uh danganronpa rider plus uh zero escape right so um oh yeah yeah i think i believe it's i believe it's the the zero escape guy and the danganronpa guy working together on this studio um so like those are two franchises i fucking love so like yeah um definitely down for that uh but yeah they announced the new gundam seed thing gundam seed is not very good it's a bad and this thing is going to be a manga spinoff and who knows it might be all right because some of their manga spinoffs of you know the astray red thing was there and then they had um what was it stargazer was this other gundam seed thing the audience is annoying i'm just talking to them at this point but fucking whatever seed news is just is annoying in a world

oh man i'm came back yeah it's a gundam seed huh yeah in a world where there's better franchises there's better gundam things that have not yet been animated every time we hear more about seed it's just like uh you know but it's popular so i get it it's like it's like wing you know it's just a huge hit it's gonna get attention it makes it the name carries weight anyway um crossbone when yeah fucking never apparently but it is what it is uh anyway that's fine we have how we got here i left and you were talking about a new fighting game and i came back and you're like gundam seed still exists yeah i just because i'm looking at the shit that i'm like what

do i want to squeeze out here that i want you to not get a word in edgewise on because there's things that you're probably you should you should get a fighting game announcement here every week so i can go to the bathroom and you can talk by yourself well this is one word i i you say that but if you check out blazing strike i think you'd fucking love what you saw i'll take a look at it like i do every week and i go oh that's cool game and then i forget it exists yeah blazing strike let's rare oh i already looked at it apparently a million years ago how cool does that look that looks cool yeah there you go online played powered by ggpo rollback netcode hey look at that even the indies can do it sega see the they all the indies started it the indies have been doing

it that's the problem but you know i hate blazing strike because it makes me sad about virtual fighter there you go uh what else we got the um someone modded resident evil village into third person have you seen that footage i have not i bet it looks jank of shit it doesn't it doesn't look that bad actually um i'm gonna look at that right now see now this makes me want somebody to mod re2 into first person that sounds terrible i hate that well why would you do that when you could go play uh the umbrella chronicles stop that and the dark side chronicles the first person looks a million times better than i was expecting holy shit right over the shoulder re4 style locked in not that bad man that's what that game should have been

it works surprisingly well in third person um yeah interesting i just thought it was like a and and and um it's a whole new way to experience lady d right so there you go uh there is a this is a unconfirmed rumor but it is um coming from ours technica valve is apparently working on a switch like portable gaming pc yeah i i i saw that a little while ago i'm like okay i'll get delayed twice and then it'll come out and then it'll be digital only so retailers won't carry it and then they'll slowly phase it out over 18 months and uh then everyone will forget it existed i don't know if they're gonna figure the hardware thing out i feel like they got their their go steam

steam but the branch out to the controller and and the branch out to i mean maybe maybe but uh also i mean if you remember steam machines yes where did those go they died they were overpriced well there you go they're gone and the fact that you can stream currently from like if you've got a decent tablet you can already kind of do this in a way i don't know if like what's your market here you know you're not going for switch competition what are you what are you going for is it is it streaming or is it native let's take a look because i so i mess with this kind of shit like i'm on my own just for fun um when streaming even just like on my phone in my bathtub right just got a nice candle going and

everything's great but somehow i'm blasting you know a stupid video game like kata mayur domacy there's still lag that just doesn't feel good yeah but you know when i'm playing on my switch it feels better because it's native so i mean if the steam pal is native i mean that sounds really exciting honestly there are a lot of games i'd love to play natively that i mean and i'm talking to somebody who hacked my switch to be able to stream games from my pc um and i even hacked a vita to do that actually wow i can literally play like yeah i can play forts on my vita but the sticks suck um i will say part like i want to make this i have the streaming for the streaming stuff like again parsec manages to work wonders um that like other streaming platforms

have not been able to do yeah um yeah so from the description on this article it sounds like that that's what they're going for are they describing the chip they're going with um an amd chip uh they want it to be yeah okay again it's a lot a lot of this is kind of early on in un un confirmed information um it will have a dock for larger monitors as well i'm here for that okay so they're going for that similar thing yeah where you can are you our dock for larger monitors hdmi up yeah okay uh built with linux is the likely target well it's running linux it probably isn't a streaming box like i assume it's got a steam client it will stream but that sounds native which is instantly very exciting to me

again i'm a weirdo who owns 20 vitas and i love to hack them so i don't know i'm dubious considering how steam's hardware has gone in the past i uh you know we'll see i don't think there'll be any support it'll come out for like you know a year or two and discontinued like y'all were saying earlier but i mean if i buy it you know then you'll have until a break okay so so it's exciting in the sense that you can add it to your museum not in the sense that it'll be a long-standing supported thing okay hey what games do you like to play on the vita dock anything i can stream i use my ps1 is uh or sorry i use my vita as like the current act of what i'm using

which is my blue one i have a couple blue ones but like my all blue vita 2000 um i figured out how to hack it to use video out via usb so i can actually connect it to a monitor so i can actually use it like a portable ps1 and that's what i do with it it's basically a playing ps1 game so i'm actually about to start a vagrant story is that right the ps1 that's a good one monsignor i think uh yeah that's gonna be my first time playing it um so i'm really excited because i've actually never played any ps1 like classic rpgs ever so this is my first time i'm really excited yeah that one is is a particular strange case because i saw that um apparently there's someone that uh well the emulated version of it someone figured out a

like uh um like a cell shading filter for it or something along those lines something that kind of gives it the effect that the tactics remake had almost um and it was it was just one of these cases of just like yeah apparently like they got the game looking a lot better than it originally did or something maybe i'm i'm i'm thinking of a different game is it anyway um that's cool i feel as if the vita in my brain existed because p4 um uh uh the golden was on it and then they finally needed a place to go be trapped they finally freed it from its prison you know so but uh the vita tv actually still gets a lot of play in my house real talk um um you know my girl uses it for like yeah she she streams she she connects to my uh my ps4 from

there or like plays other like yeah older ports and classics and things like that so it has it has gotten some play makes sense which is why sony was killing all of that was gonna be a fucking ridiculous mistake but sony came to my house and took my vita away they basically did that to me with my my original vita i had a 64 gig memory card and it those are shit so it broke and i lost my 250 some hour digimon cyber sleuth save uh my heart was destroyed completely annihilated oh god yeah no like the tales of lost saves is a subject that comes up every year and it just it's like what you know how what was like what was your fucking what's the what's your worst memories what what scars are you carrying with you uh for me it was uh not definitely not that um but like

i had uh my golden son final boss uh area save uh where the battery died on my game boy advance right as i got to the save point and just fucking fried it entirely oh my god yeah and you're just like i i just didn't have the the spirit to fucking to restart at that point you know um um when i was younger my first time playing f of seven uh like getting out of midgar was a huge deal it took me a long time i didn't know what i was doing um and then i finally did and uh then my brother formatted our computer and just like killed everything i had um without asking i also lost in that format um my giant collection of dragon ball gifts of two frame powering up dragon ball character gifts uh as well as all of my mugen creations which i had created stages

and characters and things and uh all of that was wiped in one fell swoop so um it hurt it hurt it for me it was ff7 near the end of the game twice i i remember wiping my windows not too long ago and discovering that i just lost my entire like well several saves that i thought were cloud save and were not oh the worst thing that's ever happened to me because i lost all of my zombie army progress and zombie army four is a genuinely good video game but turns out you can just share save so one of my friends who beat it with me was like here i've unlocked a bunch of stuff anime to save i put it in my folder boom so at least you can do that but it doesn't feel the same it's not my save you know it's your save now shout outs to uh early aughts s and k for losing the game

code to multiple fighting games because their pre-mastering person just did not back them up and when they moved offices to their new location they literally lost all the code and all the existence all the proof that they made um a couple of games actually a bunch of the the neo geo 64 stuff fucking gone forever we've we've talked about this a lot on this podcast but it is genuinely unbelievable how bad archival mastering was for a lot of companies particularly japanese companies in like the 90s like it's really like my question to those of you who doubt this is like have you noticed that the same 15 second genesis games are constantly re-released every time there's so new place to get second genesis games isn't it weird that like most of

that fucking systems library is just gone from official sources forever i mean you'd be surprised how many times like it's just there's one pre-mastering technician they're hired to take care of all of this they do all builds for every project they archive everything and they pretty much just have it all committed to memory so like they'll have a spool of cds or discs or rvt whatever it is sitting somewhere and they'll be the only one that knows where everything is what it all means what's archived what's saved where on the internet or intranet or any of that and then sometimes those people quit or get fired or just whatever and then they call in a new guy who's got a decipher the old work and figure out what's going on because they just didn't have a log of any of this or any

sort of like secondary person to learn all of it it was all dependent on this one job this one person you know it's it happened constantly apparently the rights to no one lives forever in a warehouse somewhere like on paper so it's an issue that extends beyond data right like literally system system shocks rights were in a fucking legal acquisition company or insurance company yeah out in the uk that they don't even know how they got it they just absorbed it through some fucking merger yep yep and then um this guy i know uh steven kick he he ended up just buying it from them and now he has the game uh but for things like no one lives forever which is nothing he's trying to acquire himself um they're like two different companies like yeah we think we own it but we're

not really sure and it would cost more money to go find it in our you know paper storage than it would be to like actually prove we own it so it's like in limbo i've you know i've heard other cases like sometimes this is actually malicious uh there was a certain sega saturn rpg that i will not name that somebody told me when he was interviewing people about the game it was basically told that it was intentionally disappeared the source code wow yeah so this is a game i really want to play that you know would cost me hundreds of dollars to acquire uh legally um if i wanted to you know get myself a disc copy meanwhile the discs are suffering from disc rot because saturn era games were all pressed at like philips plants and those discs are poor quality um so like you're just kind

of out of luck when that happens you know and it's presumably because somebody just wasn't interested in having that game around anymore so uh in 2008 uh there was a warehouse fire at the umg the universal uh music room oh no that destroyed 70 of the masters they held and they are one of the only major uh labels that has um like like close to like 200 000 recordings of like pretty much every famous musician you know ever like history music history essentially was lost in this fire and they told no one about it when it happened and pretended that it didn't exist for like a decade they just acted they continued on and and uh and again like they have a pretty much a history of like exploiting musicians and shit like that but it was this insane thing

where they just like they the fire came out and then they went yeah we know we didn't lose anything and people and then like tons of artists are found out like 10 years later that their shit was just destroyed you know they have like lead zeppelin remasters oh god everyone yeah atlas was in their uh prince um everything you could have wanted uh um uh um what should we call it um elton john um just like like like again music music history like there's a just a list of artists that you you can like google out there of just like fucking everything that was lost in that fire you know i mean my name my name doc literally comes from working on a Boeing b29 which is one of only two in the world that can fly again like i love restoring airplanes it's this thing i used to do

as a volunteer and i adopted my name from that and when i see us losing history like this it's very painful to me um you know so i am like i'm sitting here just nodding my head vehemently like we have to preserve this shit i'm actually i think you know like how do i like killed my soul i'm like gonna cry i'm i'm still trying to figure out how to make sure we have archives for for like audios right until we public domain that um my intent is all my projects get public domain earlier than the legal requirement just like a hundred years i want them to be put in the public domain before i die um so you know i've always i've been thinking a lot about how do you archive this shit how do you distribute the shit because obviously i can't distribute you know unreal engine

for source code and be like yeah this is copyright me but you know that's just complex um yeah if anyone's curious about like the the the list of lost music you know you just go to like the wikipedia article for the 2008 universal studios fires and click the list that scrolls down and in alphabetical order it starts at 50 cent and it ends at rob zombie and it's just literally like everything in between uh is there if you're curious but fuck uh these assholes then who are acting this way when they come in the end the uh dmca you uh over music that they might have burnt and destroyed and not told the artist that they got that they lost this is why piracy is a moral imperative in the face of archival problems when you own what you own

but i mean i own copies of silent hill too like i can't really play them those discs are starting to go is it count if i own the useless disc it's so it's weird right it's like the legal area is super like no you probably shouldn't go pirate a game that even though you literally own a copy of it but most people i know are like yeah it's fine like if you're downloading something you definitely legit own it's what's the harm right i i think the wildest thing is that uh i bought a movie from an independent movie person to support them and then i couldn't download it off their website and i had and i had to go i had to go pirate it even though i had literally just paid for them and i'm gonna tell you what that movie is in this chat

okay and i thought it like the whole situation was completely insane well um i don't know the circumstance of surrounding that so when i uh gave capcom uh money over and over and over for third strike because i bought it on every single system uh ever then uh i i don't feel bad necessarily uh going and grabbing a copy of that on on on fightcade oh shit all right well anyway uh let's go sorry that was the mistake

all right we got the hot tub meta that happened over the last two weeks you mean germa germa yeah germa destroying the hot tub meta as of yesterday okay so the first thing i saw was the jesus stream where jesus and the hot tub was doing numbers and then i saw um yes what was like old man sits in a cauldron i believe yeah man he was spinning a list of things to do and i think one of them was like drink blood but germa could do anything hello yes no uh i like uh i thought i actually thought the stream dropped for a second

i just i don't have anything to contribute no no i'm just no i'm just looking here because i like yeah anytime like anytime you see that and it's just like here's a screenshot of like here's a bunch of hot tub streams and then here's the number one and it's just old man sitting in a tub and at whatnot or um what was the other one was was it garalt in in the sitting in the tub as well i believe was another stream yeah that was pc gamers yeah so yeah good stuff good stuff uh and uh as well as the um someone that's tweeted this out too because we there's a whole bunch of stuff going on about the the redoubling of the twitch dmca stuff that's going on um and uh they're again just pretty much putting out another excuse me another statement

which is effectively just kind of like yep they're sending another thousand or so claims out that they got um um and there's still no real tools to help any streams catch the stuff in progress oh no of course not and uh what we go what do we got we got um this person on twitter who is bunzel who tweeted out they got a claim on their twitch archive for um the sound of running water on their stream yeah we that's that's been a constant threat is nature slash uh water noise that's ridiculous that's yeah insane mm-hmm anyway that's where we're at apparently uh i mean look i i had i did a pretty thorough cleanse of all my vods i think uh i think in general we're mostly out of danger but

that kind of shit makes me scared because i'm like what if a game i'm playing just has environmental noise that gets flagged you can't then you'll get flagged and you'll be fucked and that's that's that that's the end and apparently the obs split recording feature that's supposed to like replace the noise automatically uh that doesn't necessarily save it either um nope so there's nothing that can no it's the it's the same thing that i've been saying for a while though the whole problem is that there is no way to be prudent and protect yourself so just hope it doesn't happen to you i i i just asked oh that is the solution i got a message from uh twitch rep and i and i

asked about like hey like is there anything to do to protect against like what running water and uh i'm awaiting a response you know we'll see yeah you're never gonna get one remember last remember last week or the week before when i discussed how like oh wow your twitch rep like answers your questions they don't answer me because i asked them questions that require actual real answers and they don't have them so they just don't respond i see god i'm like sitting here as a game dev going okay how can i make sure that my games don't have things that would get you all in trouble right because like fucking Half-Life 2 has sound effects that were used in eight-legged freaks and i'm pretty sure it's just because they use the same source library i don't

valve's not stealing it right i'm pretty sure they have the legal right to use it but like how do you know that the person who owns that library isn't going to go to a streamer and be like hey you don't have the rights to this valve does but you don't like god that's a mess you can't because even if you did do your due diligence there's nothing to do when somebody uh rips out the soundtrack to audios and illegally puts it under their own name under youtuber twitch's solution and then and then grabs people using your thing there's always that i i streamed resident you like i don't i'm not like a streamer right but i occasionally stream games and i streamed resident before and i got a copyright strike because uh some obscure russian dude sampled the

re4 safe room music for his rap yeah that's his he invented that he owns it yeah yeah he was claiming the rights to capcom's music so what's usually nice is a game that'll have a um music uh stream option in the option you know in the settings where you can click a button that'll just be like hey it'll you know get rid of anything that would otherwise trigger a copyright or whatever um what was it what was that playing recently that had that um uh was it control i think disco has it disco has it uh control has it control yeah yeah so uh cyberpunk has that exception didn't work but it didn't work in cyberpunk it was a fucking lie exactly so um that's the thing providing it works you know yeah uh well anyway also um uh controls best moment is like completely ruined with that

option on oh my god that part gets taken out take control yeah yeah oh my god i would that silence a musical moment hmm wow that sucks uh the same thing that happens uh in alan wake when you're defending the the rock stage where that that is copyrighted and the answer is they that is a real band that they got to do those songs for the game but the band still copyrighted them it's just nothing you can do i mean all of the all of um like the moments in in death stranding where like it it cuts to churches like those that that's real music you know that's popping up um i don't like i'm saying like replace it with a generic like non non uh copyrighted track is

probably worse than silence but it also doesn't help because somebody can just illegally upload the non copyrighted track and say that they own the copyright on it that's sure to um the intro to paper to paper mario thousand year door uh has a little jingle that uh apparently belongs to a mid aughts uh scene emo band that uh decided that anyone who plays mario paper mario has to fucking pay them royalties on the on the on the your video uploads because they own the jingle from paper mario like just the first come first serve thing is is not fucking anyway whatever we can we've been talking about this for years it's just a ballish copyright entirely all good it's gone all right look

you seen fucking you seen this cruella shit i'm going to be watching it after this podcast okay okay it was originally supposed to be prior to the podcast but schedule got tight and we were gonna have a long podcast anyway uh but yes yes i have seen this cruella shit i will give you a report next week okay good good uh you know because there's some spoilers flying around about the um you know the defining moments that of of this character and uh um you feel you want to watch out you want to you want to not catch anything out there if possible because um there's there's some stuff but i look forward to your report on it this is a this is a uh a the the hack movie equivalent of something called pose law you familiar with pose law

what's pose law it's if you satirize a point of view that is extreme enough unless you say this is satirical it's impossible to actually tell the difference between the real thing and the satire so this is the thing people made up as a joke exactly and it is the punchline you tell about what and the backstory of cruella deville would be if you were to go and and do this and as a result when the movie came out despite people saying that this was the thing everyone was like no it's not that's the joke people were making what's the real thing um yeah those dalmatians man you gotta you gotta watch out so yeah no that's that's where that comes from and and and i to be perfectly honest i mean

isn't that that's almost identical to what's happening with the power puff girl script now as well where it's just like this is a joke right this is not real and then it's like nope this is super real and that's why the script um is out in full and then you're kind of like oh so this will look when i piece it together the first story i read about the power puff girls live action thing was that it was being reworked and reshot um then the leak happened so that to me sounds like a sonic the hedgehog movie style we're just gonna fake leak this out and see how people respond to it because there's a debate over whether this should change or not in internally there's absolutely no way the power puff girls thing leaked as a result of that really they

fucking dmca claimed the the account that put it out and killed it they did not want people to see that shit oh man i can see why i do i i read yeah move on dot org everybody holy shit that also confirms it for being super real then right when it gets claimed wouldn't believe it couldn't believe it yeah i i've never read something that bad after film school and i didn't think it could get that bad it makes me want to die inside like just travel up and turn into dust and blow away it's the most so crushingly bad writing like somebody got paid to write that well that i don't know how so it's diablo cody right and here's the thing i'm i'm i like juno i'm one of those people i enjoyed that movie he had a hamburger phone in his house i have seen it i i legitimately enjoy the film

i don't know what she was doing here man i don't know i don't know but uh anyway it's being reworked is the terminology so yeah rework it into the ground that's what pat says that was a smart thing pat did watch out for dalmatians y'all unironically dalmatians do bite people dalmatians are notably terrible dogs with children oh yeah yeah i just have the the firefighter image with in in my head no so like so for example page got bit by a dalmatian when she was a young girl and when uh the 101 dalmatians came out that when that movie came out there was a run on put puppies for kids and it was a huge

problem because dalmatians are bad with kids they bite them damn i've got a friend with a pair and he loves them they sound like absolute sweeties so oh absolutely every every particular breed of dog has the ability to be the nicest dog in the world but you have to train dalmatians and they they are naturally like the temperament that piece of shit walking around a kid like slapped him in the face yesterday walked up to him went doggy and went pat right on his face and this stupid fuck just went the intention right that's that's his temperament baseline right so you socialize him and uh he's done he can be around babies the worst thing he'll do is uh lick the baby baby get gross right now i notice the dogs you need to train them not to do that

i noticed that page did not grow up to uh want to murder every dalmatian in sight and turn them into a coat you don't know that yet she's got years on her yet there's time there's time all right moving on over the weekend rumors began stirring about a final fantasy spinoff from team ninja uh sources believe this to be true uh apparently final fantasy origin is in public alpha and set for this summer is going to be in public alpha set for this summer have you heard anything about this i've heard the same thing that you heard i think it's kind of weird because ff16 is got devil may cry 5 staff on it and this feels like a kind of weird overlap yeah again i'm not i don't like bringing rumors to the docket but um this is a from a source that is apparently reputable

uh team ninja i mean hey like neo's fire so it's true by all means can't wait for final fantasy other m um they've grown they've grown actually they've shrank so well well whoever it is that makes neo and neo 2 is fucking incredible i mean i uh that that's like just good ass video game speaking of people who lost source code though they lost ninja guide in black yep they totally did what yep that's why we're getting sigma and not black because they actually lost black that's just just archive guys archive come on

all right well uh so yeah rumors of that going down and then lastly over here uh a just a little tidbit that explains something that you know it kind of bothered me but in the end it was fine uh apparently wreck it Ralph uh the screenwriter phil johnson uh johnston excuse me admitted that uh zangief was a part of the bat anon meeting uh and he was considered a bad guy only because as a kid his inability to beat him made him think zangief was bad to me and mean so essentially even though zangief is not a villain he was put in the villains meeting because he was annoying to fight because the throws are cheap stop throwing and i'm like you know what that reasoning is like that is terrible but fuck it because he makes

that scene it works yeah 100% like it throw the cannon in the trash you know they they they found the way to make it work dumbest reason ever i would like him to meet my nice dog he is not a bad guy all right let's just take some letters and get out of here hey if you want to send in a letter send it to the castle super beast to gmail.com we'll read it maybe it's probably gonna be a bad letter and we won't read those ones but we would read it if it was good so if you if we don't read your letter that's because it was bad yes all of you all right we got one coming in from xbb saying showing your work is real hey pat and wools showing your work is absolutely a real thing for example if you're involved in advising how a lockdown needs to be how long the lockdown

needs to be and you need to discuss things like population density and distribution testing capacity the effects on your r0 and every other variable that cannon will get questions politically by policy makers if your job involves writing anything that will get peer reviewed you have to show your work so that that's now just be so smart they all take your word for it come on okay that caps off the little math talk from last time let's be better at math be so good at math that no one needs your work uh you know what that reminds me of there's some big new york building i forget what it what currently is but they uh they ran you know the building a big skyscraper until somebody calls up the architect when they're halfway done it goes hey how you

gotta deal with the crosswinds they go what are you talking about they go well i mean i'm looking at the building it's rated for this right you know he goes yeah i was like what happens when new york crosswinds hit it they're like i don't know hold on and they do the math on it it's like oh it'll fall the fuck over and take out like ten city block jesus christ uh so uh shit uh so um we're just gonna we're just gonna weld we're just gonna weld uh supports to the side of the building for weeks and the only reason it's not a big gigantic story is because uh the fucking new york newspapers were on strike for that time period because that fucking skyscraper was like lit up like a christmas tree for weeks i'm like i'll i'll try to track down what building it was is it one

of those crazy isor ones that is shooting up that it's a it's a new york building maybe somebody in the chat recognized i remember what it looks like it's a very tall skyscraper that the bottom is a square but there's only one uh there's only one support like where you would see three posts there's only one and it looks like it should fall over and the answer is is that it would have people are saying that might be the city group building yep city corp center yeah it's the city group center yeah that's it uh that yeah it's it was like they they somebody had to call them and be like if you finish that building it will fall the fuck over and blow up new york cool cool cool cool cool uh and then there was a massive

like shit fight over where that call came from and who it was and whether or not they should have known ahead of time yes they should have etc i feel like they designed a buster sword for a building anyway anyway god yeah yeah look we made a fancy building will it fall over i don't know maybe clay from pa says dare willington and patron recently picked up the avengers game um off of playstation uh uh i don't know whether uh they put a destiny game in here or not but the thing is okay this is i'm sorry this is britain in a good email um every level gives you a bunch of random side things to go pick up during the mission uh all the while screaming at you for not doing the

main mission objectives oh i hate that what other games scream at you for playing the game it was intended ff7 remake does that they they do try they do chime up to be like hey yeah let's do the thing but it's not constant it's not that constant ff7 remake has a bunch of sequences we're like we gotta get out here and tifa and arith or whatever are just like mad npc sprinting up and down the fucking road while you're like well maybe there's a maybe there's a treasure of ocean three rooms over yeah yeah yeah yeah any game that's not like timing and action like in in in overworld where you're like i'm on a map i'm safe this is fun uh tim rogers points it out in his ff7 remake review and like i can't stop thinking about it because the way the game treats you and modern

games treat you to always look to the sides to see maybe there's going to be an item off to the side it ends up in the situation where in like the pinnacle moment on the top four of the shinra tower when there's a literal like dotted line on the floor that says go here for cool epic moment you're like maybe maybe what is there anything down near the elevators but what if there's a treasure is there is there and then you try and walk over there and you hit an invisible wall and they're like what are you doing i'm like i'm doing the thing you told me to do i'm doing the thing the game taught me to do over and over that sucks don't do that got to fucking get through the mission um

shy ranger says uh darrow wolf gamelon and pad of evil in zelda cdi not only does link have to use his sword to slash at enemies but also slash at towns people because that's how you talk to them uh it's stupid but the game actually justifies it the tutorial says you're using a smart sword that knows who's good and who's bad and if they're good it won't hurt them it'll just make them talk yes it makes them talk too can you think of any other really stupid in-game explanations for a mechanic i can think of a bunch of good ones but bad that's like two's justification for heat clips in mass spec two and three yeah it's great it's so stupid it's it's it's great it's like in mass spec one they're like okay you're fine you're using mass

spec field to fire a near atom sized piece of metal at near light speeds at a low mass initially and then it speeds up and gains its own mass so it'd be super powerful and that keeps the gun cool and a clip of infinity everything and then they go shit the the the cool down mechanic for these guns is terrible uh everyone hates it people won't reload so they go uh well out in the the the crime parts of the universe they use heat sinks so all the the heat goes into the heat sink and then you swap out the heat sink and you're still using the same ammo it's about ammo but it's about the durability of the heat sink and like and like now like now the initial smart justification for the guns now makes the people who built the guns look stupid because you solved the problem with

step one yeah so now you have to create a new problem to allow it and like the i think the reality of it is that in the like the fiction or whatever they don't have the reloading like cool down problem that the game player has because like you you open up with the assault rifle for 10 seconds then it overheats like that does not seem to be a problem in other people's talking about it in cutscenes in the book etc so whatever but in order to change it they have to make it different for the gameplay but that jives with the fucking in the universe explanation that they spent a lot of time talking you about yeah it's it's it's it's it's super sucks but at the same time at the same time

in zahid's loyalty mission there's a part where there's gasoline on the floor and then zahid gets to flick the heat sink into it and then it catches on fire and burns a guy and that guy's on fire so that saves it it's a cool little five second moment you couldn't have all right that's mass effect two in a nutshell by the way because it is a cool moment and it is enjoyable but it exists at the direct like smashing in the face of something that was cool about mass effect one uh lastly here um biggie says their average rollback fan and average blitz enjoyer with the shiny new vf5 remaster coming out been looking at the characters to see if anyone seems cool to me that's usually what gets me to pick up a fighting game but so far the issue

i've had is none of them grabbed me as far as i've looked i'd like to give vf a shot but i'm not really into these characters that i can stay motivated for long is that petty for not wanting to get into a game because i'm not into any of the characters am i a dirty tech and loyalist will pat be mad if i keep saying the whole virtual fighter thing is lame this is literally virtual fighters primary problem it is it is it is playing to the point of absurdity i and i love those characters but i i pick my characters that i like in fighting games based on i pick the games i like based on liking a character in the cast so the opposite can absolutely be true no it's not petty that's super duper fine and normal and if nothing clicks the nothing clicks

you know yeah like vf is plain and simple and straightforward like literally nothing else is and i can appreciate it but even i think it would be a little a little like more out there like but like take jackie bryant you know what jackie bryant's super move is he does a backflip that's the flashiest thing jackie bryant's got and that backflip is a mother fucker but it's a backflip you know what lao chan does dude he has like a spin kick at the end of his combo and it does a knockdown that's wild no jeff right like yeah it's it's just that's that's that's what it is and it's been that from day one stay true to it and that's fine um tech and has exploding heads and and dinosaurs you know derral does exist to be fair though

but like yeah they're very very grounded and even go who's like are you a zombie judo man and the game's like maybe maybe you know like okay just just checking um yeah no if it doesn't grab you it doesn't grab you you know um not much i can say uh but like again like i kind of um i forgot his name but um the monk like um in five life yeah like i thought he was you know kind of interesting looking but for me it was seeing his stances and play style that made me go like yo he seems really cool you know uh uh so like sometimes seeing them in action might you know show you a little something about them that just the raw design portrait doesn't show you but in the end if you if you bounce off of it then you bounce off of it no big deal you know

yeah nothing to be done all righty uh that'll do it and again apologies we truly we we still came flying in over four hours here so uh doc thank you for sticking around and uh hanging in there i gotta go watch cruella after this shit say again sorry oh i was gonna say i've been having a blast but you know i i'm sorry pat rip have a have a good time watching cruella a movie well according to some guy i'm better than taxi driver i'm being made to watch it by the fiance but that's how it works right listen he paid to go watch an emoji movie in theaters like you know yeah this is this is that's not this isn't a universal constant i don't want to see every bad movie for the lulls only some i can respect that i watched that ninja assassin

movie one time back to back with avatar which avatar the the 3d one by james camera you need to watch the last airbender man i don't think i don't think you do you do you do you need to learn about good screenwriting you watch that shit oh my god ninja assassin i forgot what that was until like it like took a second to come back the one that's the real name of the movie i thought yeah i know the one with the ninja guide in font i think it sounds right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no there was a giant ninja assassin oh my god yeah whoo yeah okay you just hit a button there modern era like modern real world but also ninjas are real and very cool and it's just well i mean that's cool i spent like 12 hours in a movie theater one day just watching movies

because work called off and i didn't want to go home so i was like i'm not gonna sort mail tonight i'm gonna go watch all of the movies that they're showing and those just happen to be like in order watch some other i think it was the remake of uh taking a pelum one two three that same day like i watched another movie that day i think the craziest oh i'll just watch another one movie experience i've ever had was i forget what i was walking out of but i was walking out of a theater with my pal of ugans and we walked and directly across from us was inglorious bastards and nobody was paying attention so we're like yeah fuck it we just walked in and that was the second movie of the night we did not check to see how long it was that was a very very extreme experience

yeah um on when fantasia film festival comes to town in montreal like i usually do like a bunch of them and i end up seeing like sometimes three movies in a day and things like that um and one of those was um this movie called i think it was memories of matsuko that turned out to i think it was like four hours long nice and you're just like there's a point at like i'm not against a long movie if i know and i plan and i go in knowing that this is what it's gonna be i'll watch the whole bloody affair for kill bill i'm i'm i'm down for the long movie as long as i can watch lower the rings movies but the the stuff that they extended cut yeah but but getting it getting the surprise like extended cut on you is fucking rough this this is kind of an asshole thing because like you

should probably check to see beforehand it's not like the movie lied to you but no but it feels like the movie lied to you because i'm just your it's fantasia you're buying like 10 movie tickets you know what i mean and you just kind of like yeah i'll grab this this this this and just go you know so i yeah i did not do my due diligence on that and i fucking felt it you know anyway um that'll do her thank you so much doc for coming on and uh thanks a lot man everybody check out adios available now it's a really cool game i think you'll like it it's good a doc you want to have anything else like your twitter or what have you yeah my twitter is at doc squitty obviously there's also uh i think at mischief develop is our studio

thing but i'm the one who runs it so i'm never on it um you know if the more copies of adios we sell the more likely i am to eventually be able to make horse game so i mean if you hate horses and want to see a game about a girl who shotguns them uh you know buy adios by the millions i want that i already bought it though that's true text i even told people buy it yeah um but i just want to make weird shit no one's expecting you know that's that's what the fun i mean i did just announce you're talking about horse game so people are expecting horse game but nobody really knows what's going to happen in horse game yet um you know you know that's you know that's what i'm hoping for though is yeah doc squeeze best place find man twitter there's also

docs who's dot medium dot com if you want to read really really long thoughts on video games i think i have about 40 000 words just sitting there ready not ready to go because they're not done but shit loads of essays i read about game design for fun i used to do it as a job so i don't have to complain about destiny on twitter anymore because i can just point people to doc's medium account and he where he complained more than i did i don't have to do it anymore i i wrote the last one about destiny i think it's what i called it i don't need to write about it anymore either i just link people to that one it's like here you go these are my thoughts i finished it on sunsetting gears the worst thing ever done by a human

definitely worse than war crimes you know what that's something i want to say about mass effect too earlier that we never got to every single member of the team is like war criminal but flavored to their own particular type yeah like every single one i'm reading somebody say the characters were deep because jack seems angry but actually it's because she's you know hiding that she's not actually angry or something i'm like yeah it's not it's not deep character right i started my stream and everyone's like man why are you talking shit about jack like his jacket's terrible and i hate her and everybody got mad god i'm gonna fucking dive in eventually and um i don't this is so weird because i really really

liked one but like i'm like all of this built like everything i've heard over the last like 10 years has just been like well you're coming to this this like series of mythical games with like 10 years of weird baggage yeah yeah that's that's the right way to put it weird you know what like osmosis baggage you know what you've never heard though anything other than the opinion that rex rules he is cool oh absolutely rex fucking owns i liked him a lot i did all right he he's like the only character who doesn't change yeah for the best right he's great all right the podcast done now bye bye bye you can you i will i release you willy bye so

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