Castle Super Beast - CSB 122: Quantic F#%king Reality

Episode Date: June 15, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Gotta run while I'm gone... Alright, so, hello everybody. This is... Good afternoon, Voice of Woolly. Hello, Voice of Pat. This is Audio Land. This is where we're coming from. You guys can't see us because, well, on my end, as you can probably hear on the audio, I'm busy fighting fucking chaos over here. And, on my end, there's just a lot going on over here. That's... yeah, it's not great, so we're gonna just go with audio for now, the way God intended.
Starting point is 00:01:11 So I'm gonna ask a blunt question. Is this a... Oh, you motherfucker. Stop it. Uh, is this a podcast that you are recording while lying down? Uh, not lying down, but, um, I have multiple chair types next to me that I will be cycling through. Oh, I see. So, I have a kneeling chair. And, basically, I have a... you know, so I'll be standing up, I'll be using my brace, I'll be switching over to the kneeling chair as needed,
Starting point is 00:01:55 and I'll basically be playing musical chairs to minimize what's going on. How's your back? Uh, it's not great. It's... yeah, unfortunately, it basically was... it felt like it was on the mend last time, and I felt good enough to start doing a, you know, to resume the week as it were, and then the infamous disco stream happened, and... I'll kill myself, you whore. Exactly. I think it is.
Starting point is 00:02:31 And then, after that, my back basically reset to day one, in terms of feeling, and then I was like, alright, well, that's just a no-go, you know? So, um, yeah, after that, I just kind of, you know, then went about, um, seeing my doctor and talking to people and doing things and getting stuff, and I've since gotten quite a few back-oriented things. I've gotten, like I said, a kneeling chair over here, which is a chair that you can almost do, like, a... anyway, you rest on your knees instead of on your butt, so it's more... it's less pressure on your back.
Starting point is 00:03:23 I've got a brace, which I use sometimes, standing up, which also helps with the feeling. I got a couple of lumbar support pillows that you can put on chairs and things like that, and probably the craziest thing I got is a inversion table, which is something you lie down on, which then basically spins along a fulcrum point in the middle, and it puts... I'm looking at this shit. And it puts your feet above your head. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:04:04 That's crazy! And that is just a bit of a... like, that's a bit of an unnecessary, but it does, you know, give relief, because basically it, like, reverses gravity on your body for a bit. Without you needing to do a handstand? Exactly. It lets you do... it lets you do a handstand, so that just feels nice. So, yeah, I'm doing one of those. Looking into, you know, things and such, as it were, I suspect that, like, a big culprit in this,
Starting point is 00:04:42 as well, has... well, I mean, the obvious culprit, of course, is just sedentary lifestyle and weight gain. What?! Right? But I think, while that's the culprit, I think the catalyst might have more to do with bed configuration, and, like, basically, there's a... I kind of have, like, mattresses, you know, like, that, you know, are stacked. So, I think, basically, there's a point in time when there's a memory foam mattress that, like, I've been using, and I think, basically, when Punch Mom left town, the firmness changed in such a way, between having one person on it or two people on it, that that might have affected, like, how I slept on it,
Starting point is 00:05:38 which then would have, you know, basically went into a range where it was like, yeah, this is probably too soft for how big you are now, and then... We had to change mattresses specifically for Paige's back problems, because we had, like, a squishy mattress that I enjoyed because of my corpulence. And then that, like, damaged her back outright. Okay. It made an existing problem much worse. Okay. And then we got a Casper, which was a much firmer mattress, and all of a sudden, her back problems just, like, got much better, pretty much overnight.
Starting point is 00:06:15 So, that's the kind of the magic of it, right? Is that, like, so that's what I'm on a Casper, as I've mentioned before, and I think what's up is that, looking, looking it up and, like, talking to, you know, like, people about it as well and figuring it out, it's like, it can fix or make problems worse, depending on your size and your weight and the softness of the foam, of the bed. And so, if you're in the right range, that is, like, allows you to sink in just right and keep your spine straight, then it'll fix pain, it'll relieve pain, and it's the same for, like, temperopedics, temperopedic mattresses, and anything that is kind of like that. You know, the, the space age memory foam style beds. But if you are on something that is too firm or too soft, then it'll force a curve of your bed, of your body going into the softness,
Starting point is 00:07:11 or if it's too hard, your curve will be outside on top of a flat surface, and both of those exacerbate pain. So, you kind of need to find out exactly where you're at in order to, like, use a good memory foam mattress. And so, that's what it is. At this point, I'm going to basically go replace it within the next day or two for something more firm. And then it gets more complicated when you have a 12-pound cat and a 65-pound dog jockeying for position on top of your body. It turns out that, like, that's it, you know, and it turns out that, like, when the both of us are on it, it has the right firmness for me. But when she's out of town for a couple of weeks, then it suddenly is way too soft for me. And that, that's probably what pushed the whole, kicked the whole thing off.
Starting point is 00:08:04 So, now, I don't mean to be rude, Willie, particularly since this is a relatively serious topic, and I do hope you get better ASAP. I have to pull a classic podcast bit and go, whatever, shut up. River City Girls Zero and City Girls Two just got announced. That's awesome. We are in... And River City Girls Two, one of the playable characters is that chick with the white hair and the abs from the shop. Oh, nice. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Yeah, so this is E3 week. We probably could have mentioned. We're in the middle of hot news dropping in constantly, yesterday, today, tomorrow. In fact, in the middle of this very episode, we will just gonna watch the Capcom. Yeah, so we're gonna have a weird moment where we're gonna jump forward in time for all you, all you MP3 folks, because we're just gonna see what's... And the audio and the Capcom effect will just happen. Yeah, and that'll, that'll, that'll be the way it sounds. So, E3 is happening.
Starting point is 00:09:12 There's a lot to cover in regards to that, which is great because ultimately, like, when it comes to my week, you know, all I really got is just this back shit. I have a few things, but nothing killer. Yeah, and, you know, like, trying to, well, I mean, right now, like, as we speak, I'm literally in the process of like, so I mean, I saw, you know, a doctor again this morning. I had another appointment and, like, I'm in the process of booking various, like, tests and talking to physio people and all kinds of things. So, like, it's a very busy organization of the next couple of days to figure out what's going on and everything. Still, still think that it's, it's inflammation-based, but which means that, like, it should just go down over time as opposed to something much more... As it is, you don't want, like, you know, spinal diffidter or canastomosis or scoliosis or something like that with your spine out of the way. But what is clear is as soon as I get the go-ahead to, like, be allowed to exercise and start, you know, getting back into shape and, like, that's...
Starting point is 00:10:31 I'm more than fucking rippin' and raring to go on that, because it's like, yeah, I just, I know a lot of this will go away once I just get it back down, but it's like, it's not, it's currently not safe to begin, you know, so... Well, I wish you all the best, buddy. Legit. I hope you get better. I've obviously been living with somebody who's had very similar, like, disastrous back problems for a while and, like, oh, it seems like the worst. Yeah, it's, I mean, honestly, the day kind of sucks when you hit a point where, like, so, I mean, I have, you know, a number of different, like, anti-inflammatories that I've been prescribed and between taking all of these, between, you know, taking my mom's advice and having some turmeric in the morning, between putting the strap brace on for the, you know, the waist when standing up and then kneeling and then switching chairs and then going over to the inversion table and then doing occasional lying down and then getting to a point where sometimes all versions of existence are just, like, I can still feel it. It's fucking exhausting. It's not great. So, to that end, like, because my days have just been cycling through those things and then sitting down at the, you know, the chair with the lumbar support and everything, I haven't been in front of my couch, I haven't been in front of my TV or my consoles. I have not touched guilty gear strife. Oh, man. So, look, let's just get that out of the way.
Starting point is 00:12:12 I literally have not even touched it. Like, I had, I, I streamed it on Tuesday and I made the joke that you had faked your back problems to stay away from my Potemkin under the, I think, relatively sane assumption that you would have been better at some point in that week and hopped on. I did not foresee this continuing into this, so I do apologize. I just, like, I'm just, I'm not at the couch over there. I'm at the table over here and I'm, honestly, it's like the only, so again, I'm working on the lore scripts, but it's the only thing I can do sitting at the office table chair, you know, like, sitting at the couch and getting into, like, you know, playing something that intense right now is not going to be my, my, my idea, but Well, I can fill you in.
Starting point is 00:13:12 It's good. It's still good. Potemkin got hard nerves, like we knew about it, but feeling it is different. He's still kind of bullshit, but, you know, he's definitely a lot fairer. May and her dolphin, Totsugeki shit is the absolute most nightmarish shit I've seen in a fighting game in, like, 10 years. It is, it is oppressive. It is unstoppable. It is so mean.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Yeah. I had a feeling based on, like, I got, I got that one set in with Justin Wong, like, in the first beta and, like, he was displaying Totsugeki on fucking blast. And I'm like, okay, yep, that's, that's an issue. And then it's plus. Yeah. The ungebunga, as they say, is in full force with this game. Um, everyone who's going to want to give a pass.
Starting point is 00:14:14 I want to give a possible award to what I'm going to describe as the king of gorilla normals. Yeah. In, uh, souls standing slash might be the best normal ever. It might hit you from behind. I hit you when you're behind him with advantage. Yeah. It's so disgusting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:42 And they did say in the, in the, in the developers interview that they wanted him to be strong, not to say that they're not going to make adjustments in the future, but they wanted soul to feel strong. So they did things like that. He feels strong. Yeah. Yeah. I'd imagine the online play has totally held up. I mean, there's some, there's some, uh, can't connect to whoever and you drop from matchmaking things that are to be expected.
Starting point is 00:15:10 But I had a ton of matches and they're all solid. I did notice one cultural thing. I don't know. Maybe it's not cultural, but I played it a bunch on Tuesday. Which was the early access thing for the, you know, if you bought the fancy version and I barely made it into a floor eight. Right. And then when I, uh, the next time I played it was on Friday and I logged in and it said, no man, you're, you're a floor nine or now. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Now that the game's actually out. Okay. We've analyzed the average strength of the guilty gear player base and no, you can't floor eight. No, you can't live there anymore. Interesting. So it's kind of funny. It's like, hey, it's shocking. The people who spent the extra money to buy the game and play it early are on average one floor stronger than everyone else.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Yeah. The people who got it later. Well, it's, it's, uh, game's great. I just wanted to know that they average out in that way where like it'll legitimately move you based on like the influx of players. I was surprised. I expected to, uh, walk in and be like, I'm not ready for floor nine. No, I was totally ready for floor nine. Floor eight became floor nine.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Um, I'm seeing people flaunting their wanted poster status. That system is incredible. It's such a great thing to shoot for. Uh, yeah, it's, it's like, Hey, if you, if you like fighting games, even a little guilty gear strive is an excellent time. It's super fun. Yeah. I've had, I've had friends ask me, Hey, should I get it? And I'm kind of like, I don't like just want to be the most obvious, like mouthpiece.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Yeah. Yeah. Say yes every time. Yeah. I have a conversation about like, what do you like? What do you think is cool? Like, let's just be honest and real about it. But it seems like a winner.
Starting point is 00:17:11 I mean, that's, that's, you know, uh, but yeah, I, I, I look forward to being able to, um, uh, fucking boot that shit up. Um, it is the first fighting game in like, I actually can't since like third, it's the first fighting game I can think of that I would ever recommend to anybody without qualification. There is no like hidden downside. Like even third strike online, which was like a fantastic release of that game has the caveat of you're going to be going up against third strike players that have been playing this for 12 years. Right. This one, there's just no caveat. It's like, it's incredible. And the matchmaking system and the ranking thing with the floors, to my experience, it's worked out great.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Almost all of my matches have been some degree of close. Well, um, as we know, uh, new fran, new franchises or new, new like entries into fighting games these days tend to launch very poorly and build themselves up to being good. So if this is the launch date, uh, uh, the, the version that we get a year or two from now is going to be really, really good. You know, um, I'm, I'm, I like seeing, uh, some of these insane, like, uh, let's say like a full meter, uh, combos that people are doing that are like sea to shining sea wall to wall, coast to coast nonsense. Where I'm like, in a million years, I don't have that fucking swag, but seeing people drift down, getting underneath, getting back, you know, it's so stylish. I'm gonna learn how to jab, jab into anti air. Like, I'm still running baby shit by comparison. The jump from like floor nine to 10 and 10 to wanted is like bigger than all the other floors combined.
Starting point is 00:19:08 It feels like, like the killers that live on the top of floor 10 that are trying to break into the, the celestial realm are just fucking freaks. Yeah. Um, and I, and I, you know, at the very least, I think, um, for proper fucking research purposes, um, I think I'm gonna like at least hit the story mode, uh, just as I'm working over here. Um, apparently it's weird even by guilty gear. So I'm hearing, which, uh, you know, that's great. Looking forward to it. I mean, there's a lot of shit that like, I, well, for one thing, a lot of folks are tuning into, uh, obviously my, my lore videos for the first time right around now. And like kind of going like, ah, what the fuck, where's the last one? Cause, you know, like there's a big gap in knowledge between, um, where I left off with five and where, where this would start. But like, so I, yeah, I do feel bad for not being able to like hit that, that deadline of like the launch of the game.
Starting point is 00:20:11 But, um, putting it all together now, uh, I do have like a full script for like what's left of the story. So everything that's like revelator and rev two and the level of density in this final piece is beyond anything else that's been in the series so far. Um, the, the average episode has had, uh, three to four thousand words coming in at about 25 minutes per episode. Uh, this has, uh, 15,000 words. So it can't be done in any reasonable single video manner because it's essentially would be, hey, would you like to sit down for two hours to go through what's left here? And it's two hours that is compressing about, well, let's see here. Uh, 26 story mode arcade, uh, uh, prologues, uh, the full four hour movie and then three after episodes, essentially a full season of anime. Um, so, uh, what we're going to do is I'm going to, I'm going to basically try to compress it into two hour long things that come out like a day or two apart from each other.
Starting point is 00:21:39 So that at the very least it's just not like a shock to everybody who's like been watching 25 minute episodes so far, you know. Um, but it's intense. There's a lot left to cover. Um, yeah, but, uh, you know, I mean, let's literally like just my entire existence has just been fucking that shit plus back. So that's me. What about you? Hey, you want some guilty gear news off of that hubs? Sure.
Starting point is 00:22:06 From a few minutes ago, sorry, data miners have pulled out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, the fucking DLC list. So I didn't look at the list, but I did hear a couple of days ago that they, they were able to scan and they figured out what the first season is going to be. Um, I don't know what it is yet, but I did see someone, uh, hint at the fact that like, um, the most of it would be. Characters from story mode, but I don't want to, um, yeah, I don't want to. Do you want the list? Do we want to talk about that?
Starting point is 00:22:44 Uh, you know, I think I'm looking at, I'm looking at the chat and some people do want to know and some people don't. So for the sake of those who don't, maybe we should. Okay. Well, it's a June 12th article on event. Okay. Called guilty gear, strive, season pass data. Okay. First five characters.
Starting point is 00:23:04 If you do want to know, if you do want to know, you can go look it up. All right. How about that? We'll leave it, we'll leave it up to the listener. Um, I'm, I'm pretty happy with the, the, the list. It seems like a good, good batch. Okay. Um, um, yeah, guilty gears.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Good shot. Like shocker question. If like this point, I might as well just take a glance at it. I'll just, I'll just give you the list in, in discord. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So it's a decent shot.
Starting point is 00:23:37 It's a decent group. That's one of those I'm really happy about. Okay. Uh, yeah, go check out that article if you want to get that, that spoiled for you. But, uh, anyway, uh, so what, uh, beyond that, I guess, uh, was, uh, well, what about you? Okay. So the number one thing that happened to me in the past two weeks is that my woman
Starting point is 00:24:06 came back to me. Huzzah. Hooray. And I forgot what it's like to have Paige around. Paige being around is like living with a whirlwind. It is like, it's like living with a cartoon. Um, in the past couple of days, um, the woman has, let me get the list out, broken a lamp, broken a door, almost broke her hand, rough housing with the dog, then almost got her
Starting point is 00:24:46 ring stuck on that hand, hurt her back by having the dog lay on her. We sat down to stream the other day, um, the, the, the, the, the E3 and she just spilled a whole coffee all over her and then got up and when she got up, she, she unplugged the camera and kicked off the mixer. And then when I showed her how to make the coffee, she burned her hand on the coffee pot. And then when she was making her coffee, she spilled the honey on the dog. And then just this morning, she accidentally poured an entire casserole into the oven.
Starting point is 00:25:26 You're living in an episode of Eric Andre. At least the intro. But it's just, it's, uh, yeah. No, that's what it is. It's the first 90 seconds of an air country show. Oh man. So her hand isn't broken. Her rings can come off if she needs to.
Starting point is 00:25:52 The oven is fine. The dog has been de-honeyed. The lamp, um, I have a weird, so one of the reasons the camera's not here is that I'm going through a weird series of lighting situations that I'm currently in, in the midst of. Uh, so that'll, that'll get fixed eventually. Uh, but yeah, so that's back, couldn't be happier, but also, oh God. Uh, as for, as for video games, uh, I'm plowing through the Mass Effect. Hey, guess what?
Starting point is 00:26:21 Those games are great. And I love them. The first two anyway. I'll, I'll judge the third one more later. Uh, I played a little bit of Backbone, where he plays the raccoon in Vancouver. What? Uh, solving crimes and shit. Which one's that?
Starting point is 00:26:35 You not seen Backbone? No. Uh, you go, go, go look it up. It's got a really incredibly beautiful pixel art style. Um, it's a, it's a murder mystery. Noir that takes place in Vancouver. Uh, but you play as a raccoon and you're investigating otters and bears and whatnot. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Uh, it's, it's, it's fantastic. Uh, I also beat FF seven intergrade intermission. Just the extra shit. Are you replay? Uh, just the extra shit. Just the extra shit. Is it, is it its own menu? It is.
Starting point is 00:27:12 You hit, you hit right trigger on the menu and you move over to a different title screen that has you fees. Wonderful. Ninja star in the, in the ground like clouds. Okay. Um, it's a good DLC. It's got a little bit of padding where they keep putting you into combat arenas. Um, it's got Fort Condor in it and Fort Condor fucking rules.
Starting point is 00:27:35 It's legitimately amazing for the next game in the series. I legit hope it becomes like a triple triad kind of thing. Do they, your, your, do they like blow some other like later wads too early with this too? How, uh, by later, do you mean all the way out in dirge of Cerberus? I mean beyond disc one or two, you know, I'm talking all the way out into dirge of Cerberus. Geez.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Yeah. All right. There's some Kingdom Hearts shit going on in that thing. Um, and there's no ghosts. So it all happened in the original. You just didn't see deep ground. Yeah. Deep, deep grounds.
Starting point is 00:28:27 That's right. They integrate it pretty well. You could say that inter grade is pretty well integrated. Haha. Seriously, the Fort Condor fucking rules put out a Fort Condor game. It's great. It's great. Uh, aside from that, Christ, what else?
Starting point is 00:28:49 E3's been happening. I feel like killing chaos. Yeah. So, I mean, obviously there's a docket and there's a greater docket and there is a lesser docket, you know. Yeah. Um, so if we're rolling in, we might as well roll in. Let's roll in.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Let's roll in. Let's let's let's take care of some sponsors and, um, let's do it and and just for not this week, but like, uh, in at least the upcoming weeks, we're going to have to like balance out for the spots we missed because shit gets a little weird and juggled when we have to cancel. Hey, we paid you for X spots and we're like, haha, we just didn't do a podcast at all. So we're going to have to make up for those. So there might be, uh, an episode or two with more than might be some double double amount.
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Starting point is 00:39:13 Oh boy. Upper docket. You know, I left an upper docket once at a friend's house. The problem with leaving an upper docket is that you you're you're implying that you have to reach in and set it up and that's gross. No, you climb up. That's insane. Then you do then you risk death to do it.
Starting point is 00:39:34 You risk that way. No, you climb up. All right. So I did not I haven't been following these conferences to their entirety. I've just been clicking on the trailers that come in the aftermath because I've learned better in my old age. I know they have the stage shows, but really what I want is five trailers on a website and then I just click on the one that interests me.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Well, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to just go look at my my streams and then I'll tell you what what things happened. Well, I've got a list. Apparently the Ubi's I've got a list. Yeah, you gotta fuck it. Let's we'll do that. That's I've got a list.
Starting point is 00:40:20 I've got a big old roundup. Tell me about your list. Um, so the upper docket is the things that I thought were interesting or worth clicking on and then there's the rest, you know, so to speak. Um, so yeah, some, some, something I'm going to kill chaos and I'm like, I'm going to kill chaos. We talked, uh, last episode about the rumors of a team ninja cross final fantasy game and it was, um, pretty much like being, it was a rumor, but it
Starting point is 00:40:52 was being reported heavily by, by like injured industry and insiders as a real project, then the trailer dropped and it certainly is a real project. And I, I, I mentioned that if this were to occur, that we may possibly be looking at final fantasy other M. And when that trailer dropped, Oh boy, I big excited. You know, we've got to kill chaos. Well, it's surprising because like the, yeah, the, the, the, the dubbing in the trailer for final fantasy origin origins does a lot of the heavy lifting
Starting point is 00:41:35 in giving the appearance of this thing looking really not great. You know, we'll expand this afterwards to the whole square in X presentation. Uh, the game looks bad, but, but the, the dubbing is doing heavy lifting on that trailer. It looks like quantum theory. Do you remember that? Oh yeah. No, that's the era.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Quantum theory, never dead, you know, all that, like mid-auts, 360 looks like a PS3 360 exclusives. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And for that are the first time the companies use the unreal engine. And, and so you see him walking around and that's the thing too. For a second, I was like, because of the, because of the sword on his back, I was kind of like, wait a second, are you doing something like based on like what
Starting point is 00:42:31 they just put out with FF7R? And then it's like, no, no, no, no, there's doing it's own thing here. They got their own boy and no, it's a, it's a fucking isekai. So this is the, this is where we kind of see that screenshot on the website. Um, there's a tweet that I, who put it out? Uh, was it? Yeah. As a chip cheesem put out a tweet, a tweet that was basically saying, here's
Starting point is 00:42:54 some art from the website that show you the three protagonists in their normal modern day clothing, including, uh, you know, just ninja in the, the long T-shirt and the long shirt and jeans. Like just three guys hanging out at a gas station with my, my plaid hanging off my waist and then so main and then main character from every, uh, mid-auts shaved head game, uh, stand in there getting mad at chaos. I've been thinking about this since the trailer dropped. And the, the, the character's names are Jack, Ash and Jed.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Uh, Jack is the main character. Uh, Ash is, uh, the black guy and then Jed is the redhead. And I went down and tracked down the CG render of all these characters to zoom in super close. And I don't know if this is like hilarious or cool or gauche. And I've been waiting to talk to you about it, Willie, about how you feel about it. I think Ash is a black mage in the most blunt literal terms possible because I pulled out his CG render and I zoomed all the way in and I think his fucking
Starting point is 00:44:18 eyes are yellow. Does his outfit imply? Black mage, like things. Yes. Oh boy. I think they literally took the classic void with yellow dots and turn it into a black guy with yellow eyes. I mean, look, we, uh, in a world where Zach, the black ranger is repping his
Starting point is 00:44:47 mastodon and there's just nothing we can do about it. We're still here. We're still, we're still here. All right. Sure. Now I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and assume that, um, there's no, uh, let's say Native American, uh, red mages. Or anything along those lines.
Starting point is 00:45:12 Not to my knowledge. Not to my knowledge. Okay. No. So what, what, or, or, or even your main character wearing white with the red trimmings of the white mage, like we're not doing any of, well, let's just wait to see if we get the healer in the group. And it's like an, the fucking Aryan Uberman, because it's just, if you're
Starting point is 00:45:32 going to do it, then why not just go, go across the board? Why you got to fucking, why you got to do us? Just be stupid across the board idiots. All right. Well, anyway, this, you know, that game looks. Like I was, I was shocked because, uh, yeah, it was just, it was the main, like, I, I saw it on, um, on like the Twitter news feed or whatever. It's like, Oh, and you have a final fantasy.
Starting point is 00:45:58 And I just clicked on it and like, yeah, like 10 seconds in. It's like, that's an awkward read, but okay. And then halfway through it, it's like, Oh my God, this is like, I hope the combat's good cause Ninja theory can do a good job with that. Ninja theory team Ninja, but what the fuck is like, and then the Garland showing up and then I'm, you are chaos. I'm, and then like the word chaos is said like 15 times. And it just like, like, what are they actually going for here?
Starting point is 00:46:30 There, there's something that Paige brought up that will totally save it in my opinion, which she brought up what if, cause the other two characters have normal dialogue. All the characters have normal dialogue except for Jack and she brought up what if it's a doom guy situation where Jack is like a fucking freak azoid who just like got to kill chaos, got to kill chaos. And the other characters are like, Oh, okay, buddy, we're going to, we're going to go kill chaos.
Starting point is 00:47:00 It's okay. Just the over the chaos can be over there. Like that would be hilarious. There's an entire possibility here. If you're being extremely charitable, that this game is just the, like, this is just the worst possible trailer the game could have ever gotten. Well, woolly. Luckily, they put out a demo that we could all play to see and believe,
Starting point is 00:47:29 except that demo is fucking broken. Okay. So broken as in. Once you get it going, you're having a hard time understanding the mechanics. No, it's, it's corrupted. You can't play it. You download it from the store and it's broken. Chaos.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Chaos. Chaos. Man, I have a full LP on my channel. It's about three minutes long of me downloading the demo and hitting the button and it go corrupt today to download it again. And I go, that's some chaos. And then I call it a night. If this is actually an isekai and it's real people dropped into this world
Starting point is 00:48:24 as, as the implications are, the, not framing that from the jump in the trailer was a humongous mistake because everyone's just looking at this and going, are you retelling FF one in the most ridiculously stupid way possible? So I'm going to, I'm going to tell you what I believe this game actually is because Final Fantasy one is covered in, in multiple re-releases as well as being the core plot of Dissidia and like a subplot in other games. Um, what I believe is happening is that this is an isekai and that, uh, your characters will all fail and die because Final Fantasy one has an infinite
Starting point is 00:49:11 time loop that only the four warriors of light are able to complete. And the first thing I said when I saw that is that the number of people in that party is wrong. So it is four warriors. So the strangers in paradise are all the failed attempts and then the real hero of light with his blue armor and shining Griffith hair is the one. I'm going to, I'm going to assume that it is going to end with the failure against Garland and then, or chaos.
Starting point is 00:49:44 And then you're going to look into the distance and you're going to see the four warriors with the orbs on the way or some shit. Um, because that gets around the, the problem of, uh, team ninja, like fucking up like this super classic, right? But you're still looking at it. I mean, the, the, the, the, what do you call it? The, the setting of the, of the game appears to be the shrine of chaos, which is like laughably limited in FF ones like story.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Like that's the first dungeon only. Man. Like if everyone's already sick of the word, because of how bad the trailer was, like, how is the game going to fucking like, ah, it's just, it's, that's such a dead on arrival type of like fucking, if I feel bad, I feel bad. It's a total comedy of errors because if the game plays well, all the shit is forgiven, but it's a demo bro. Like, holy shit.
Starting point is 00:50:58 And they've built up like so much goodwill in my heart with Neo, you know, like they know how to fucking make a good ass game if need be. Oh, it's possible that the game will be like great. It's just like completely embarrassing. So the other weird, that's kind of its own appeal. The other weird bit in general is kind of like, even if you're going for real, like not GTA, but like sub fucking Saints Row, like, you know, just mid arts, twenty five to life characters dropped into a FF world.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Like they could be more interestingly designed regardless of, you know, the, the, the, the era that you're going for. Like they could on the, on the. On the other hand, I saw, I forget who tweeted it, but they were, they were right. And it was people of complaining about Final Fantasy main characters being a bunch of twinks in like frilly dresses for like 20 years. And what finally, when you get a bunch of dudes that look like they were
Starting point is 00:52:06 teleported out of a home, everybody starts to complain. Right. It's like, that's true. That is true. These are your only choices. Yeah, you can get Vaughn with no shirt, or you can get these dudes. I mean, you know, someone posted a picture of fucking, what's his name? Fifteen Boy knocked us just wearing like a big goofy jacket and cap, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:41 and you're just kind of like, yeah, it's like, this was your major and you're like, yeah, that was that was done wrong with that. Not wrong with that, you know, prompting the boys, they're, they're there. They're doing their thing. You know, that's fine. I think, I think the funniest thing is that we have like the, the post that was the classic red armor, like fighter. I saw that.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Yes. Original. And then right next to it is the redraw a mana with the blue armor and all the spikes and the, the flowing cape and then the, the really aggressively like sexy man horror one from God, what was it? Like ex-vuius or something with the flaming red hair that people got all, people got all mad because his lats were showing and he was like a sex freak and all the chicks were crazy and all the boys were crazy.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Mobius, that was him. And then this dude, Jack, right? And it's like, these are all the same character. Like, like I've never seen a wider variation. So like in, in, in, in depiction, when I see that fighter with the red hair, I just think of like eight bit theater, you know, with, with the silk chucks and all that stupid shit. And I started to get confused talking about Final Fantasy one because it was
Starting point is 00:54:05 like, well, the party was, uh, was, uh, you know, fighter, black mage, red mage and thief. And then I'm like, wait, no, it's not. That's eight bit theater. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And white mage.
Starting point is 00:54:19 Yeah. And it just said, and he, and, and black mage does a hodokin too. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. No, the, the, the, the deal though is that like, you know, fighters really stupid in that, in that depiction, but dare I say, Jack might be worse.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Like it doesn't seem like a real person. Jack comes off not just stupid. Jack comes off like an insane person. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's what it is. And, and, and Nomura says he wants to write a story about angry man, which is a hilarious thing to say in an interview.
Starting point is 00:54:55 Um, but Jack doesn't come off angry. Jack comes off completely fucking unhinged. Yeah. Like it's wild. All right. Capcom is about to start in four minutes. So we're keeping our eyes on that. That's not true at all.
Starting point is 00:55:13 Capcom starts at 530 Eastern. That's a lie. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody in the chat is, is big lying. Oh, anyway. So yeah. But I feel bad for Team Ninja.
Starting point is 00:55:25 I feel just like this is one of the botchiest reveals of the, of the week. It seems, um, and the demo that might have proved, you know, like people, like prove them right or wrong or whatever, the demo that might have proved it was worth it. Super broke doesn't even fucking work. So on both fronts, the whole thing just falls apart. Yeah. It's, it's something just like there, I saw a tweet that made me think of this
Starting point is 00:55:52 and it was that there's somebody out there in an office that was going, it's okay if everyone makes fun of it because the demo is going to blow them away. That is just pacing in their office, smoking and freaking out right now. So there's something about the timing of like this, this trailer too, and the way it depicts things because I'm like, and like that, that era of like mid-auts game, like action, whatever. Because I did see, so I did see like a funny tweet complaining about like how many different versions of the same game were announced effectively.
Starting point is 00:56:29 And I went to go check out Babylon's fall. And this is the next thing I want to talk about. Platinum's name is on that. So you have Platinum's name of all my goodwill. And I watched the trailer and like, I forgot what happened in the trailer before it ended. Have you recently watched the original trailer? No.
Starting point is 00:57:01 You should. Hold on. Let me go and grab it for me. It's the one of the most underwhelming trailers I've seen. All right. So if that, if that's fresh in your mind, I'm going to send you the original trailer, literally watch any 10 seconds from it, literally anywhere at all. Okay.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Yeah. Okay. You will see that it is a Platinum. Yes. I'm looking at a Babylon's fall 2021 is a square. And it's a game that Platinum, this guy's doing an aerial rave. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:57:45 So, oh, it's just not the same guy saw. I saw people talking about this and take it with a grain of salt because it is literally just people talking about this. But supposedly square was very confused by Monster Hunter World success and has been trying to figure out why they don't have one of those. And whether or not that's true or not, when I look over at Babylon's fall and I see that it is a live service game and it looks like complete goddamn shit. And in the interview, we got guys saying it's like a near automata that you can
Starting point is 00:58:33 play for yes, it doesn't have. Yes. And then God shout out to Mr. Fields goes out and gets frame one of near automata, which is everything that lives is designed to end. Yeah. This is like corporate's hand reaching down and puppeting a corpse level shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:54 I'm I'm okay. Well, this makes a lot more sense now. We saw a version of this game that was much more Platinum. And now it's whatever the fuck that was. I like again, not being done justice by its really like awkward voiceover throughout the trailer at the same time. Super underwhelming with that in that regard. And then you're just watching the combat and I'm like, this is nothing.
Starting point is 00:59:25 I'm just I have like less than zero interest in any of this. So I have I am not the person to make this this discussion like this point. But the people who made it are many and are right. The game's art style is terrible. It legitimately looks like a smeared YouTube video on purpose. If you saw the screenshots, Nibelian tweeted out that are a direct feed. And if you go look at the up close like ground and like the foliage and such, it's yeah, it has a blur to it that's supposed to look painterly.
Starting point is 01:00:05 But the effect just looks artifacted. It looks like you're running your stream in 240p. Very strange decision alongside a game that is also not like impressive in its, you know, in its combat or or fucking, you know, voice acting of capacity. And and live service that they showed 35 minutes of Marvel shit. So yeah, man. Now, Min, I did see he tweeted out a thing where they announced ahead of time that this was going to be a primarily Square Enix Montreal presentation,
Starting point is 01:00:42 not a Square Enix like Japan presentation. Yeah, even under that context, it still fell really flat. They spent 20ish minutes on a really mediocre looking Guardians of the Galaxy game that when it was about halfway through, I said out loud if this game is coming out in six months or less, it is going to be a fucking disaster. And then the end of the demo comes up and goes October 2021. And it's like, oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:01:20 So the the telltale one came and went as far as I know. And I heard people enjoyed that. But yeah, these the Square Universe Avengers games, Avengers, and I guess now Guardians games, like there's absolutely this weird quality of like, well, I know you're not you're trying to say this is not the likeness of the actor in the movie, but it's clearly the energy of the character from the movie and you're not going like
Starting point is 01:01:57 like, for example, Deadpool when they they brought Deadpool in like they kind of there's a there's a point where you can go like, all right, they're they're going more so comic book based than, you know, movie based and such. And you can kind of see like there's where they pull in enough original material and so on. And here I kind of felt like I'm like, you're kind of just trying to slightly dodge not having Chris Pratt. So it's the same complaint that that I and many other people made
Starting point is 01:02:27 about the Avengers game, which is you've decided to go for a hyper realistic style. So the first thing people are going to say is that's not Robert Downey, Junior, that's not Chris Pratt, like go cartoon and then that problem goes away. Did you watch the demo? No, I just saw the trailer. So, Wally, Guardians of the Galaxy, right? Who are you excited to play as? The team.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Star Lord, that's right. Yeah. Star Lord only. Yeah. I when the gameplay started in the trailer and I was like looking and I was waiting for the camera to switch and then they just instead of switching, it just said, you are Star Lord. And it was like, oh, man, like missed opportunity to have a fun group section. You know, missed opportunity to to mix it up and do some fun things with that, especially since Avengers was selling the whole roster in the in the fucking
Starting point is 01:03:29 bits and pieces that it did. Maybe that's why it's going to come out so soon, though. Maybe that's why October 2021. Maybe. Right. And then you watch the Star Lord gameplay and it's an auto lock on third person shooter and you hit the like the face buttons for the other cast members. And they do like an attack and it's like, man, it looks weak. Yeah, it looks real weak. That's great. And then the most upsetting thing is they go,
Starting point is 01:03:55 and we're going to remake Final Fantasy one and six in the pixel style that you want. And then they showed a logo and then they didn't show it. So I just saw there's actual side by side pixel comparisons. And it's it's weird because they they're they're not doing like a blurry dumb filter. They are. It is pixel art, but it's new pixel art. And again, some and it's and it's like a it's from what I can see, like the quality varies from character to character.
Starting point is 01:04:31 But they've but it's redone pixel art. It's just clean up the yeah, it's unclear why they went that route. But that's like, that's all anyone wants. All anyone wants is the fucking Super Nintendo or possibly GBA. But there's a supreme resistance to actually delivering the that stuff. So it's still got to be like, let's be nostalgic about that and bring you that energy, but not actually give you the thing, though.
Starting point is 01:05:04 We're going to do other things. We're going to still it's got to we got to do something here. We can't just give it to you as it was. Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, again, I don't I don't as someone who, you know, hasn't played a lot of the classic FFs, like I'm not going to be able to. It's totally pointless. It's like people are saying they have to redo the the the sprites
Starting point is 01:05:27 because they're not on CRT monitors anymore. But the new sprites have the same problem in that they look like they were built for CRTs. Like some of the characters proportions change significantly. Some of their hair colors change. It's it's pointless. It's totally pointless. Yeah, like I don't get it.
Starting point is 01:05:46 Anyway, so that's that's what they're doing. Any any update on that? FF seven, the entire story told through she be fat characters, mobile game. Nope, they showed a trailer for the Battle Royale game for your phone. What was that thing called? The first soldier. OK. Well, cool.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Anyways, they also showed off like a weak ass fucking life is strange remastered look like identical. Yeah, anyways, other other other upper Decker news, Elden Ring is real. Hey, yeah, the ring. Not only is it real, it's the same trailer that leaked out. I mean, listen, so here's the thing about it is like that shit was hot. It was fucking sick, but also as soon as it cut to the naked guy
Starting point is 01:06:52 and it was showing like just their what their humans look like. I was like, God damn it, you still have it fucking attempted. To to get any better or more like modern with your your your character models. Like they they haven't leveled up any of that shit at all. Put the armor on and just it's fine in the shiny new armor. But their people still look fucking like like they're from ten years ago. You know, they don't give a fuck. Yeah. But it looks incredible. It looks so good.
Starting point is 01:07:22 And they while there is like. The the the environmental and the armor design and the monsters. Oh, man, it looks immaculate and you're going to get a magic horse because it's going to be a yeah, yeah, that's how you fucking create the problem and then solve it immediately. Is your horse disappears and reappears as you summon it on the spot? Yeah, just fucking it's a magical shut up shut up. Now, but but but take take the the human model in this game
Starting point is 01:07:56 and put it next to fucking chaos, man, and put that next to Babylon's fall, dude. You know, and we were looking at the same era here, guys, like let's not fucking say words. The the the trailer came out and the trailer looks great. And more importantly than that is that there was an interview with IGN with Miyazaki that has a lot of deeds. So I only got through the first little bit because I was reading it right before we started.
Starting point is 01:08:29 Big thing off the jump. I can see six worlds, six bosses all interconnected from a hub world. You can play it in any way. I got a whole cliff notes here that that my did Nibelion put together. Thanks, man. So it's going to have a world map. Like like a hub, like, you know, like a like a breath of the wild kind of zone, like a big open area that has a little mini dungeons and castles and shit.
Starting point is 01:08:56 And that will have a map. There will be a map for that zone, an in game map. But after that, on the edges, there will be six major they're called. They're calling them dungeons that will each be realmed by a demigod, which says to me that they are splitting the difference between demon souls and Dark Souls one. Which is about as ideal as I could have possibly won. So I'm going to go ahead and just create a role play scenario in my head
Starting point is 01:09:33 where Miyazaki and the translation team were sitting or Skyping or zooming with George R. R. Martin, and they were describing their games and and the immersiveness of their atmosphere. And then George R. R. Martin was like, OK, so let's start drawing up a map. And they're like, oh, we don't usually make maps in our game. We don't. And then he would put a fucking map in it. Because his his worlds are nothing but maps. The fucking Westeros, East Isos, all those maps like that's his whole thing.
Starting point is 01:10:11 His whole thing is maps. How dare you? So let's see. Their confidence can arrive on the release date. There's a character creator. There's multiple endings. They describe that there'll be a much higher degree of freedom so that there is an there's like a suggested order through the six dungeons, but you can go pretty much wherever.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Optional bosses, the battle art system from Dark Souls 3 will return, but it won't be fixed to your weapon. You can just pick it. It'll be more like Sekiro. So those cool, fancy super shits that you were seeing the characters do. Those will be things that you can just pick and equip. A whole lot of there will be spirits like that act like summons, and some of them will be useless, useless. OK, there will be useless spirits that have other traits.
Starting point is 01:11:06 OK, it's good. It's good. I like this in the trailer. It's more. Well, OK, no, go ahead with the points. Multiplayer is going to be mostly in the open fields and you can't ride your horse when you're playing multiplayer. And then the games, the games difficulty is going to be more manageable than prior games because you will have more options to deal with
Starting point is 01:11:32 in with the environment and no horse in multiplayer. So that must mean that the walls, the fog walls are still going to go up in the area you're in. I think what it's really going to mean is that when you load in other characters, there's only so far you can get away from each other. OK, before like the game goes, fuck off. When they did show off like, you know, the combat and stuff,
Starting point is 01:11:59 they were really emphasizing horse jousting. Like there was like three or four different shots of like, look at the horse fight, though, you know. So I feel as if even if that's not going to be something you get in multiplayer, it's going to be heavily pushed in the single player aspects of the game. Like it's being pushed heavy in the trailer. One of the last most interesting things in this interview is that they said that they intentionally made the fall damage really low
Starting point is 01:12:32 so that you can explore without being punished too severely. Which, thank God, that's cool. If you can like jump off your horse and get some extra fall like leeway, you know, that'd be interesting. It the game might have a fucking straight up jump button, which would make the game play dramatically different. Well, didn't like it shows you the horse crossing a chasm at some point. Yeah, but that could be a auto.
Starting point is 01:13:03 It could be a cinematic. That could be the run sprint jump thing. What's most interesting to me is this is the the first post Sekiro Souls type of game. And I would assume that they would have taken some of the lessons they learned in making Sekiro control much better than a Dark Souls game. And put it on a do you think it's possible that seeing as Miyazaki has said to us Dark Souls is over, right?
Starting point is 01:13:31 And yeah, when and then they the next and then they made Sekiro. And like we've known about Elden Ring for a bit here. Is it possible that like in as much as they're kind of being like they're they're making it's like, hey, we're doing souls with Georgia or Martin on our side, like there could be a willing departure within the studio that like doesn't want to just make the same thing as much anymore and they want to emphasize the differences. So while not necessarily Sekiro, I could see like you said, a jump button.
Starting point is 01:14:04 I could see a major change to things like stamina, you know, or like durability or the way weapons work. Like I could see them trying to still distance this. I have a strong suspicion that the end of the Dark Souls series and the reason this is not called Dark Souls for is more due to deals about the name Dark Souls than it has to do with anything else. Could because I believe Namco technically owns part of the name Dark Souls. But I guess if you just like if we could see an interior
Starting point is 01:14:43 in an internal poll right now, as far as like how many of the people at the studio on the team want to like make games that even if they're not souls in like name their souls in strict formula. Oh, this is Dark Souls for like, let's all be fucking for real. Yeah, but it's like, no, and yes, yes, yes, for sure. But but I mean that like fucking what I mean, what I'm talking about is like on a system level, I can see them trying out wild shit that they usually that they usually wouldn't have gone with
Starting point is 01:15:20 like the like like the Sekiro being super different in that regard. If you want to be an asshole, you could say this is like Kingsfield like eight or nine or 10 or whatever the fuck it would be. Like they have kind of been making this type of game over and over for like 20 years. It's just they only got popular relatively recently. And you also like big like, well, I mean, again, they're emphasizing the horse part. But you do get away with trying new shit out without people going fuck this compared to the last three games, you know, yeah, because it's like,
Starting point is 01:15:53 well, this doesn't belong to that series. So the series is one thing. The world is one thing. But then the mechanics are also storied and become part of the legacy of the IP. You start a new IP, you can do like new shit. You look at this and like it's this is you could you like you remember what like Bloodborne's different, right? Even though we know internally, Bloodborne was called Beast Souls for a while.
Starting point is 01:16:22 Like I would not be shocked if this was called Elton Souls at some fucking point in the room. Souls. Yes, whatever. Yeah, like that trailer was fucking hot. Wolf guts. That's a hot. Wolf guts is hot. Mask lady.
Starting point is 01:16:43 The tree. Like a lot of people don't even realize that the tree is like the probably the most overt Berserk reference there has ever been. But like it is a defining moment of the end of one of Berserk's arcs that a big magic white tree appears. Eldry. So we got the introduction to the story as well in that interview where they kind of explain that there are there is a there's a big old God tree
Starting point is 01:17:15 and then there's a whole bunch of sacred, blessed people. And then those who walked away from it became tarnished. But now they're being called back. I'm a big fan of from soft desire to give the player character a name that essentially translates into fucking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every one of our names that like NPCs can call you. That's like you and your kind.
Starting point is 01:17:46 You know, you lesser than you love humans. You fucking you the icky's. Yeah, all the icky's you get away from us smellies. Let's get away from a stinky butt boy. Yeah. Ah, yes, the poo poo smelly one. I have awaited your arrival. Oh, yeah, no, there it is.
Starting point is 01:18:14 It's like, oh, oh, low, woe is me. It is the pee pee poo poo bitch boy here to take the Elden Ring. My ring pee pee poo poo bitch boy. Is this what you want? Yeah, it's it's very clear that it's just like it's it's you're meant to be called the fucking the diseased gross nasty thing that nobody wants in every game. Yeah, 100 percent. It's great. And and at least you know, I'm excited for Elton ring now.
Starting point is 01:18:51 And you know, so far they they the the edge Lord within us is like, yeah, but I like being tarnished. I'm the I'm the one no one wants. It's cool, but I say, I say, why not commit to some actually embarrassing shit that you can't make feel cool? Oh, man. I wonder what I wonder what the possible universe justification for the respawn is going to be this time.
Starting point is 01:19:25 I don't know. When you're sacred, you you go to heaven when you die. And if you're not, then you get stuck on this shitty mortal. Yeah, sure. Fuck it. Fuck it and whatever. Go go collect your money. Shut up, you know. And and and I wonder how Corpse running is going to work on a giant with a horse. Oh, you're right.
Starting point is 01:19:51 Um, so in Neo, you can go to an eye at one of those idle one of those shrines and just pay to buy your souls back. But that's because that's interesting, but there's there's different currencies, you know, but like you can basically just be like, yeah, I don't want to do a corpse run right now. Fuck it. So I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, looks great. Looks hot. Then. We saw.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Yeah, OK, well, there's a there's a there's a wait a second. I just popped up in the the fucking Capcom thing and they're talking about Monster Hunter Rise, right? Yeah, but is this the pre like Capcom talk? Oh, it's probably the pre things. That's I hate the pre things have fooled me over and over. Yeah, stop having pre. Yeah, the pre. The pre is messy.
Starting point is 01:20:55 Then you got to get your. You don't need to get your toilet paper to clean up the pre. All right, I'm going to go take a piss. When I come back, we should probably switch over to the Capcom shit. All right, which is going to be a time travel moment for you guys. So yeah, so the podcast will just zoop on over. Go pee and wipe up your pre. I know. OK, don't wipe up your pre.
Starting point is 01:21:27 See what happens. OK, I'll let it. Yeah, I'll sit in it. Do you want me to stop recording the podcast and to start a new one later? Yes, OK, I'll do that. Do you want to go to be right back before we do that? Sure. All right, well, there was that.
Starting point is 01:21:57 So Kevin Smith is working on a new he man. Have you heard about that? I've seen the trailer for the new he man. Yeah, it looks all right. I was, you know what? As someone who is too old or rather, I was not too old opposite. I was too young to get into Masters of the Universe as a kid. That was more so my brother's era.
Starting point is 01:22:27 Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was just because it was happening. But it was like it was just ahead of my and my childhood, basically. Uh, the the it was cool. The trailer dropped. It was like, yeah, that's that's that looks that looks pretty all right. And tactical use of we need a hero with the with the drums and such was pretty cool. And then a day later,
Starting point is 01:22:55 that song was used again in. What the fuck was it? The Guardians Guardians, it was the Guardians trailer. Yeah. Yeah. And I was just like, oh, OK, well, I guess, yeah, you can. Here's the same song used good in here, not used, not as good. But sure, not quite as good. Well, I mean, at the very least,
Starting point is 01:23:20 they kind of dropped back to the to the vocal refrain. So that was that was dope. But yeah, I never had human toys or anything like that again. It was just it was like a slightly ahead of my my era and generation thing. But like that was around and Shiro was around and and Thundar, the barbarian, was what I do remember watching, which was the Hanna-Barbera attempt at I think I think trying to ape on on He-Man money.
Starting point is 01:23:51 But maybe it came first. I don't know. Doesn't seem like it, though. It was awful either way. And I don't know shit about any of that shit. Yeah, there was he man was man. By the power of Grayskull and stuff like, I know, I know a lot about I know about like He-Man and the characters
Starting point is 01:24:10 and the stuff like that because my brother and my cousin used to play with like, you know, like shouting his coats and using his toys and stuff. But Mark Hamill's playing Skeletor and that's cool. I think that the number one thing that I needed to know out of He-Man was what Skeletor sounded like so that that could inform the sound of every Skeleton's voice for the rest of my life. Skull, uh, Skull, um, Skullmageddon basis. OK, so Masters of the Universe.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Also that music video about what's going on. Masters of the Universe started as a Mattel series in 1981 and Thundar the Barbarian started in 1980. Holy shit. Oh, man. But they're all Conan ripoffs. Yeah. Yeah. Conan. Sorry. Conan. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:21 They're not ripoffs. Conan. Oh, right. No, how can we sell Conan to the children? That's true. When was Conan written? Long before us. 82 was the the movie, but. Conan was definitely before that source material. 1932.
Starting point is 01:25:51 Yeah. OK. All right. Damn. That's all the shit. So, yeah, that looks cool. That's almost as old as Humbdollar, man. The man from Humbdoll. Yeah. From the from the forties or whatever the fuck the years are in that thing. Although. No, that's a fake thing.
Starting point is 01:26:13 I just said. No, you said the thing from the book series in Disco Elysium, which took. Yeah. But I mean, that's not real. That's that's a fake thing. No, but yeah, I said from the forties as in like the because the dates in the in Disco Elysium are like, oh, you're right. The Disco Elysium does take place in the big old air quotes. Forties, whatever that means.
Starting point is 01:26:35 Yeah. It means a bunch of bullshit in that game. I feel as if this is the first time because like Kevin Smith always has a bunch of ideas that he's like, oh, I want to make like a this or that or comic of this and do a thing like that. But very it sounds like not as like very few of them come to fruition, like I think he got to do a comic run on something at some point. But this is after not hearing much
Starting point is 01:27:07 from him in a while, like this is OK, he's doing a he-man. Yeah, cool. Actually, he said it was supposed to be called end of the universe. But Mattel, there's no way Mattel didn't want to do that. So they went with Matt. Got to have the name of the kids. No, Masters of the Universe. But no, that's but do they?
Starting point is 01:27:29 Yeah, because they know he-man. But the series properly named Masters of the Universe doesn't carry as much with people like people just say like, oh, yeah, he-man and Chira. The brand is actually about brand. It's but it's this is it's already a weird one where like, you know, they're not saying the name of the franchise. They're saying the name of the character. It's it's it's it's like Shazam and Captain Marvel.
Starting point is 01:27:57 It's Shazam. No, it's not. It's Captain Marvel, but he's Shazam, though. That's just so stupid. That's the problem when when the when you fuck up and you name a character and then, you know, like you shouldn't have called it happy days. You should have called it Fonzie. Fonzie and friends Fonzie and his and his X-Men. That's terrible.
Starting point is 01:28:27 That's goddamn awful. Would have worked. Would it? So anyway, speaking of questionably working, we have an answer to Tekken is three. Oh, so it's funny because I it seems like everyone kind of caught saw this earlier this morning when I when it got quote tweeted. But that that episode went up actually two or three days ago.
Starting point is 01:29:05 And when it first popped up there, I saw that and I went, OK, this is this is the answer. This is what it is. And it's it's surprisingly like close to what I thought was going on. It is way closer to what I thought was going on. Yes. Then I expected it to be in my head. My thoughts were like laugh.
Starting point is 01:29:33 They were cartoonishly stupid. I know. But I remember I remember that there was a moment that like kind of opened up this entire rollback discussion with like, why is there or how do the multiple different versions we see when it's implemented in a way that doesn't work? How what is exactly happening behind the scenes there? Right. So to catch everyone up on the story here, there is a we talked
Starting point is 01:30:01 about Harada has a show now on YouTube. Harada being the producer and director behind Tekken. And he's got a podcast that talks about whatever. And like, like I saw he had a video that, well, actually, the day that Virtua Fighter got announced, Virtua Fighter Esports got announced. He just had a post that said, come, Virtua Fighter. You know, so it's like, yeah, you know, that's he's got an outlet to speak.
Starting point is 01:30:34 And on one of the latest episodes of Harada's Bar, he went on to discuss he asks, hey, can I basically go off for a minute? Can I can I pop off? Y'all mind if I praise Jesus for a second? Mind if I kill chaos? No. All right. Well, he then basically is like, all right. So everyone goes on using these buzzwords like rollback and net code,
Starting point is 01:31:02 but they don't understand what they're saying. And I'm like, oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy, OK, let's hear it. And he describes that essentially what you're seeing in Tekken and like part of the meaning behind the infamous Tekken is three tweet is that Tekken features rollback, but people are like, but then why doesn't it feel like it? Why does it seem like it's delay based and then it doesn't work and that we have bad matches and stuff?
Starting point is 01:31:34 And he describes basically the technology that they're using that features an input buffer at the front of basically all the exchanges between systems. So to not get too super lost in the in the code or whatever here, there's a great video from code mystics. And this is a video that describes how rollback works. And it also describes how delay based works. And it describes how you can have a blended code that uses both.
Starting point is 01:32:07 And this is exactly what I was wondering. I'm like, I wonder if Tekken is using blended code. And it turns out after Harada's description, it totally is. So it's what happens is essentially is, you know, rollback is when you simulate the inputs based on looking for, you know, what should have been pressed when there's a discrepancy delay based is going to pause and wait for that input. Blended is when you pause for a certain period of time. And then run the essentially the simulation.
Starting point is 01:32:41 So there's a point at which I mean, a lot of games use that like guilty gears using that because it's on a two frame delay on online matches. So what you end up seeing right is exactly what you end up seeing is a a set amount of for input delay that are that is like in some cases like Mortal Kombat, for example, they they keep it at five so that it's consistent. And then everything after that is going to be rollback based. So any other input errors or any other major hiccups you feel are going to be for things that go beyond those initial five frames of delay.
Starting point is 01:33:16 Depending. But Harada, why does my game still play like shit? So what he kind of goes on to describe, he breaks it down in technical terms and he describes like, you know, some of what was discussed at a GDC talk about rollback and such. But the end goal is you're going to have inconsistency when you play Tekken because what Tekken does is sometimes it'll have that input delay be either zero or three or up to five, depending on preconfigured readings on like how far and how bad the quality of the person you're about to find it.
Starting point is 01:33:53 So if they ping poorly, then it's going to go. We're just going to give you like five versus if they're right next to you and you're using amazing Japanese like Internet, then you're going to be at zero. And Tekken has always been in the arcades and has always had a legacy of zero frames of input delay. So in order to not throw it in order to preserve that, they felt that they should keep it so that when connection is at its best, it should have zero. But if it's bad, then it should drop to three or four or five,
Starting point is 01:34:29 depending on who you're connecting to. And as a result, everyone has matches of variable quality that sometimes feel good and sometimes feel bad. And that leads to the world we are in, where on the other side of the planet, we don't have zero frame input delay matches. We have ones that go up and down, depending on, you know, multiple variety of factors of the shitty Comcast Internet we're fighting against or the Wi-Fi player or whatever the case is.
Starting point is 01:34:59 So it comes down to like if you put in a consistently, a consistent well, key buffer is the term he uses there. You could end up with a with overall matches feeling more consistent. So it's a decision to preserve the way things used to feel in an arcade like setting for those who happen to be in an environment that is that good. I have to say, Willie, that might be the most charitable interpretation of Herata's interview I've seen all day, because there were two major points that you, I didn't see you gloss over ignored, but you didn't get to.
Starting point is 01:35:39 One of which is that when he describes why Tekken tends to have sometimes a zero, zero input delay, sometimes he just starts to either lie or make up shit where he says, well, people talk about how Mortal Kombat works, but Mortal Kombat's only been on home consoles, so they could just put delay in there. Right. Tekken started in the arcades. Hard cut to a Mortal Kombat arcade machine.
Starting point is 01:36:07 Yes. Like what the fuck are you talking about? How the fuck does somebody who's been making fighting games for 20 years not know that Mortal Kombat came out in the arcades? That is genuinely fucking baffling to the point where I assume he is lying. There I refuse to believe that the guy who's been making Tekken since the fucking mid 90s doesn't know that MK came out in the fucking arcades. That's ridiculous. Be that be that as it may. He is basically sticking with the inconsistency for
Starting point is 01:36:45 for potentially godlike matches as the reason why they they they will not have a set, a set buffer, a set amount of input delay. And so this. Go ahead. But but like the other reason like, well, you know, Tekken's from the arcades. Like, yeah, the June 5th was the day this interview came out, right? Guilty Gear Strive came out three three days later. Guilty Gear is a series that came out in arcades, too.
Starting point is 01:37:21 The other point being the discretion, the the the the difference between 2D and 3D games and the way the animations play out. Did you did you see because I saw the clip that. OK, initially there was a there was an image and it was just people use it was just an image of her out of saying people use buzzwords like rollback and netcode without knowing what they're talking about, which is admittedly that was a cut.
Starting point is 01:37:41 That was that was and then there was a clip after that, which was two minutes of him going a bit further into it. That's true. And no, there are a lot of people that know you talk about it. Let me let me. Like it is true that people use those terms, but the the tone of saying people use all these buzzwords implies that they don't know what those words mean. People do know what those words mean.
Starting point is 01:38:07 Even if you don't know the technical reality of rollback, you still can like reasonably conclude, hey, I played Guilty Gear Strive and Third Strike Online Edition that had rollback and I had good online matches with my friend across the country. Exactly. So as yeah, it becomes so that that's where I was going to say deflection. It becomes an argument of semantics because it's like, OK, so when he says Tekken does already have rollback and people go, but but then what's the problem? Right. There's never a second answer to that because effectively
Starting point is 01:38:39 or what he's describing here is indeed this is how Tekken does feature rollback. It uses a blended a blended system, which again, if you watch that code mystics video, it's fantastic and explaining a lot of this. So, you know, not going to go down too hard down that that line. But well, it features it. But it is an answer. But despite that, when someone, when people are typing the word rollback in the Twitch chat during one of the streams or reveals for anything,
Starting point is 01:39:10 when people are like going off and screaming about it, despite the fact that like people are talking about it without knowing what I'm just knowing about, like the technical side of things. The point is that people want to have matches that feel good. And yeah, there are games where the matches feel good and there are games where they don't. He provides a real genuine answer to, hey, man, like, like, there's all the technical things that we went over, some of which I am convinced
Starting point is 01:39:39 he is either making shit up or lying or doesn't know what he's talking about because his comparison points are complete nonsense. Like it's ignorant to a degree. I actually can't believe which one. But that the more combats only been on home consoles. Yeah, that that's like that that's it's either it's that it's it's it's it's almost it has to almost be like dismissiveness of the of the game. You know, like I either intentional ignorance, which is kind of the
Starting point is 01:40:12 problem we're dealing with in general, or he's lying because I refuse to believe he doesn't know better than Mortal Kombat has arcade machines. That's that's completely ridiculous. But when he when he says like, oh, you know, hey, how come my matches are bad sometimes in in Tekken? The real answer is that you don't live in Japan and that you should wait 15 years for your network infrastructure to improve. You see, it's not Tekken's fault.
Starting point is 01:40:39 It's your national infrastructure. So those are those are again, those are those are the parts that he mentioned the part about how like Japan has great netcode. And, you know, perhaps we hope soon the world will have great Japan has great netcode, Japan has good internet, and perhaps we hope soon the world will have good internet, too. And it's like, well, this is kind of the problem, though, right? And if he literally says you just have to wait for your infrastructure to get
Starting point is 01:41:01 better. So it's those are. So the OK, here's why I'm not like those two points, the part about the internet in Japan and then the part about the Mortal Kombat cabinet stuff. Those are throwaway lines to get to him describing the way the game works. Right. So to me, those are just like whatever. Ultimately, if he if you wanted to say, oh, Mortal Kombat 11 is not in arcades or whatever, then like sure, it doesn't matter. Like those are those are throwaway lines.
Starting point is 01:41:28 The the the the the the the the the crux that you get down to is one where it's like he basically saying like everyone's saying we won't roll back, but we already have it, right? But it's like if someone were there to be able to go like, OK, but dude, the issue is the quality of the matches people are getting outside of Japan, right? So like there's clearly a frustration with like the the the you know, the the residents of Rollbackia, as Seijian would say, being loud about their demands here. But if I could only like if I could say anything to him, it would be.
Starting point is 01:42:08 In 2013 or rather, 2009, we first started hearing about G.G.P.O. And like this has been over a decade. Like it's if you're getting annoyed at the people asking for rollback over the last two, three years now as it swells up to a fever pitch. How do you think it felt for the last 10 years as really good code has been ignored in everything a decade? Well, they just just live in Japan, right? So it's like the impatience that you'd be feeling like multiply that by over
Starting point is 01:42:48 a decade of fucking, you know, and it's just like it's it doesn't like saying showing that it has blended code doesn't make the problem go away. You know, the 3D example given problem goes away if you just live in Japan or wait 15 years. Yeah. So shut up. The 3D example listed as well is basically saying that games that have really like games, the games that are 2D tend to have like animation frames that are like more that are less smooth, deliberately so. So hit stop and start up and things like that.
Starting point is 01:43:25 You'll see a big wind up and then something will like happen and then hold that frame for a bit longer than usual. Whereas Tekken is a lot of smooth, constant movements. There's not a whole lot of deliberate start and stop, you know, or squash and stretch with their animation. But at the end of the day, it's like, OK, so then the trade off is you're saying that it'll things will end up being jittery anyway, right? And it's like, well, they'll be jittery in circumstances where you're having
Starting point is 01:43:52 a bad quality match with someone. But the circumstance you're comparing it to to say that it would be jittery, it's not fair to compare it to an otherwise perfectly smooth match. You'd be comparing it to a shit match with bad quality delays where the game just freezes up entirely. So between having a jittery match where there's rollbacks occurring and one where there's these constant delays and the whole thing fucking desyncs, you go with the one that makes the animation jump forward a bit more than
Starting point is 01:44:22 like, at least you can play the match out, you know, it's no, just live in Japan or wait, 50. Are you not listening? So that that was a false equivalency. And that was that was that was frustrating because it's like you're basically saying like, yeah, it's between zero frame matches or these, these ones that'll look weird for 3D animation. And it's like, it's better than not being able to fucking play it properly.
Starting point is 01:44:44 You know, so it's, it's just whatever. Tekken's never going to play well online. Like that, that's the, that's the reality. This is intentional ignorance towards the end of it. If you go, so here's the thing, like beyond the two minutes, I listened to the rest of the episode, right? If you hear where he goes off off of that point towards the end of it, he does describe that like, we can increase the amount of rollback
Starting point is 01:45:12 frame frames one way or the other, which when you're using blended code, you can, you, there's a literally a slider in the code mystics options that they show you, like how many set frames of input delay do you want? How many do you want to go rollback or whatever? And they could modify that and tweak it in the future. So, and he kind of implied that, like, that's something that we could do. But right now the commitment to maintaining that arcade quality match of zero input delay, zero input buffering, key buffering, as he says,
Starting point is 01:45:45 is what is keeping things where they are. You're going to have inconsistent matches because we're trying to keep arcade quality where possible. And if everything moves forward in this strive pattern of like, well, now you're the only one not doing it and you're going to hear bad feedback about it. I don't think he's going to get to die on this hill in the long run. That's the one thing it's it's like, if other Japanese developers
Starting point is 01:46:17 start embracing it, I don't, I think they're going to have to move forward. I do. Like it is it is it is more arrogant and hard headed than even my most negative expectation. I think the the idea of like, again, at least the way it's described in in in from code mystics and what they do, the idea of the blend can and does work in certain circumstances. But it's a case by case basis, right?
Starting point is 01:46:55 Every game is not going to have a a uniform solution for that. And in the case they described, like this one where they allow you to set it yourself in the options and go as far one way or the other way as possible. But when you design something that works well for me and then you're like, all right, let's do extensive testing. And the extensive tests consist of going from Hokkaido to Okinawa or so. Yeah, or yeah, I just it's like it's like nailed it. You know, it's nailed it, motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:47:26 I mean, it's just not it's not going to fly when it lands internationally. And you know this, man, you know, so anyway, I think the absolute most baffling thing about this whole story is that from a different interview, just a little while ago, Harada's like, oh yeah, 95 percent of Tekken's total sales comes from outside of Japan, which is why I don't think what what the fuck, which is why I say you he's not going to be able to die on the hill, you know, that's it. But if we get another fighting game roundtable where the focus of discussion is how to improve the AI, just fucking just throw it all out, burn it to the ground.
Starting point is 01:48:14 In the time that it in the time that we have been talking about this, I have taken a photo of Harada and a photo of an ad for the Stadia and incorporated them into the office meme about corporate needs you to find the differences between this picture and this picture, because that's how I feel like that is literally what Phil Harrison said to interviews about people going, what about people who's Internet sucks shit? How are they going to play Stadia? And he goes, oh, don't worry, the infrastructure will improve to support it. It's like the national infrastructure of the United States or the UK or Canada or Mexico or South America is not going to fucking
Starting point is 01:48:54 improve to accommodate fucking Tekken. Well, I'll have you know, this is the part of the discussion where Blitzcode ain't going anywhere. Blitznet code is coming back and you're going to see it again because essentially the core of that and the way Stadia is the way that Stadia looked at it is the way that even for Honor handled it, where it's essentially server wide rollback, right? Where it's the entire server is compensating for desyncs for desyncs and lost packets as opposed to on a player by player basis. You're going to see this again. That shit played great, huh? And it's going to, you know, depends on where you live and depends on your depends on your do we even get to do we even talk about virtual
Starting point is 01:49:45 fighter fives netcode for real race creed and culture? You know, I did. Did we get a chance to talk about racist netcode? I don't think we did. I don't think we did. Oh, okay. Well, um, yeah, the racist netcode became a term not too long ago. The core idea behind which is that virtual fighter eSports came out and yeah, instead of using rollback, they went with something similar to Blitznet code, which is essentially it's going to be you're going to get better and worse matches depending on how close you are to a data server and the data servers are located in various hotspots around the planet, one of which is in Montreal. So yeah, us. But if you happen to be anywhere on the entire content of Africa, there is not one to be found.
Starting point is 01:50:39 So Max did some extensive testing with that and discovered that that that Google server thing is actually super old. Oh, and in fact, there are actually African servers, servers all over the place. Fantastic. However, he was tracking his connections to those servers. And what he discovered is that in a bunch of matches that he had with people in the UK, he was being pinged out to servers in Africa. Oh, he wasn't using the LA one. And I played a bunch of matches against him and ran into a situation where I was playing with him with 12 frames of input lag. Like it was unplayable. And he was no problem. And then we idled in the lobby for a while while he did something. And then when it came back, the match was fine. And suddenly me and him were
Starting point is 01:51:32 both sharing about five frames of input. Did it switch you to another data data server? The same experience I had when I was playing with Susie. And I was playing with Susie and we had like five matches. Two were underwater for me. One was underwater for her. And then the other two were kind of okay. Oh, man. And they were fucking switching between servers on a per match basis. Oh, God, it's the same. That it's complete garbage. Yeah, like it is on I on ironically way worse than regular delay based net code, because I kept getting in a situation where my matches were completely unplayable. And every time I got one that felt like local, I was sure that the other person was having dying all the delay dying because I was dominating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:52:28 Oh, man. That is like the net fucking loss is still the same in that it's like inconsistency sucks there. You know, it just it's yeah, and you're going to start to see you're going to start to see games try to work this in and and and and, you know, fighting games should be fucking running from this. Although I hear it works well in Brawlhalla for some reason. I don't know about that. I hear it works in Brawlhalla and I hear it works in for honor. But yeah, for honor, you're running 16 person matches. Yeah, it's a different entire setup requirement. But it's I just like and and the point that Max made was like these servers cost a lot of money. This is assuredly going to be just as if not more expensive than implementing
Starting point is 01:53:29 rollback. But it's also time limited. Definitely. Eventually, they will turn those servers off. Yeah. Right. The cost of the cost to the to the to the developer, the cost to the producer to whoever is not one that they're going to permanently absorb for games as they get older or out of the spotlight 100%. Yeah, the the conversation about net code and fighting games. And I know we've talked a lot about it, but this past two week period has become like the the peak of absurdity. Yeah, no, like going through the biggest hoops possible to spend the most money available to have bad net code. And then you have Harada making shit up. And in the middle of that is Strive coming out and plays great. Yeah. And I know that like any excuse we
Starting point is 01:54:20 have to go back on the topic is one that is, you know, like exhausting for some, but it's like this has been like two weeks of like major information in regards to this thing happening. So like you can see a perfect trifecta of like three games, all approaching it differently. And only one are people like having the time of their life with, you know, it just it's like at some point, you just have to look and go, well, the results speak for themselves, whatever your philosophical differences are, if it comes down to a difference of philosophy, if you want to talk about maintaining the arcade zero frame integrity, look at the response and the people and how they feel about the quality of their matches. And you're just
Starting point is 01:55:07 going to have to take the numbers of people playing Strive. Strive has dominated the numbers on the numbers on fighting games on steam. There's nothing that's ever even come close. It's good. Well, I mean, it's a brand new release and it's a hot shit. And no, but what I mean is it's all time peak on its hot new release demolishes other games as hot new releases. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, you know, I'll fucking tighten up my tie and say that some of my my lower explanations had something to do with the other ArcSys game with the most popular fighting game IP ever. Me telling everyone about about being sad about missing wife and killing wife has had a tangible effect. I've got some numbers. People tell me a wife. People tell me
Starting point is 01:56:06 they picked it up because of those fucking super nerd out videos. So yeah, I'll take that credit. They got to go back and spend the time to fucking put roll back in DBZ, man. Come on. That game will live fucking forever. Samurai showdown needs it more. Samurai showdown isn't an ArcSystem Works game. Well, yes, this is true. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they also showed off that Metal Slug game, which looks pretty fucking incredible. But anyway, but there's a bunch of feel bads around it. Yeah. Well, what are you going to do? You know, I'll tell you what we'll do. Hey, hey, you know, when the feel bads are around your game or in your game, because they're necessary for the setting, make sure that you don't acknowledge
Starting point is 01:57:04 the feel bads. Battlefield 2042 says the climate apocalypse and referee a refugee crisis are only in the game for gameplay reasons, not for social commentary. There is no goddamn way that describing the refugees has any gameplay viability at all. Like it just falls on its face completely flat. It's the it's the reason why the it's the crowd of people running in front of you while you're having your fight. Yeah. Unless on the maps, there's like a swarm of tired and hungry people that you have to drive your tank over. I mean, no, it doesn't like that's flavor, which means like, yeah. So they now here's the thing, right? As we enter this insane fucked up world where all of this shit becomes more and
Starting point is 01:58:05 more real to the point where it makes Hideo Kojima sad, because when he comes on to talk about the new Death Stranding director's cut, all he can talk about is, hey, everyone, I'm sorry for predicting the world so right. I'm sorry for being so right so hard. I'm going to have to try to change how I make games from now on, because Death Stranding hit too close to home, right? There's there's a weird element of like, God complex when he was talking about that, because it's like, it always always like, I'm sorry for causing this. It was crazy by making this. It was fucking crazy. I couldn't like, I couldn't believe it, you know, because it's like, yes, genius Kojumbo has been right about many things over the years. And he specifically referenced 9 11 for the second time,
Starting point is 01:58:54 you know, when he's describing this, and he's like, I'm going to have to basically think about how I tell stories from now on, because he feels bad about how close to reality they all ended up being too real, bro. And it's just like, well, I guess then we're going to gumdrop land, you know, for his for his own comfort. But dude, I don't even know what that means. I have no idea gumdrops. I like, like just, you know, like whatever as far away from possible from reality as possible, because the isolation and then 2020 just were like fucking hand in hand on Death Stranding. It was, it was nuts. Personally, I fucking applaud that shit. It's, I think it's incredible, but he felt bad about it, right? So all this to say that like when your game approaches
Starting point is 01:59:42 reality in this weird dystopian way, and you decide to pull a David Cage and talk about how, nope, nope, it's just for this. It's just questions. Who knows what it's about, which is the setting, right? There's a climate apocalypse happening, but don't worry about it. It's just, here's the quote. It's definitely purely a multiplayer game for us. We decided to go this route so we could create a narrative in the world through the eyes of the no pats. Of course, there's the fucking, yeah, you had your, your bit with that, of course. PMC's rolls off the tongue a little bit nicer, I suppose. It felt fucking weird to wake up to that. Oh, like that was a joke about a joke about you not being, not being there and not existing. It was, was weird to wake up to, was it?
Starting point is 02:00:29 No, not about not existing, though I do understand what you mean. And that is weird about being denied to entry into like the, the planet. It's like an, it's an era of no pats. It's like, oh geez, I'm sorry. So, you know, as it's so, so credit to the, so, and this is a, it's an IGN article that was written about this for Battlefield 2042. And the person who wrote the article correctly points out that like, so this happened with like Far Cry before and all these triple A games and like, there's always going to be a level of don't touch on the no, no topics, even though it's obvious what we're talking about, lest we get John Cena. It's going to become big John Cena. Yeah, or the, or the, the, the fist in fucking whatever the fucking
Starting point is 02:01:30 Ubisoft game was, it's going to become clear that like, you're not going to refrain from using clearly political commentary. You're just going to refrain from acknowledging it. And you're going to then essentially say that like, we're just taking inspiration from this for gameplay purposes. And as the article points out, what's fucked up about that is the idea that like, you can see all of these like wild and crazy, like misery apocalypse filled futures that are just around, around the horizon coming, but you're only fascinated in the aesthetic of how they look for the next map of your multiplayer mode. Like that's, I think the goofiest, you have, you have 2020 clear eyes on what's around the corner. And the only thing you're thinking is,
Starting point is 02:02:21 man, that would be a really cool fucking set piece. There's, I don't know if you saw, but there was a slight update to the shenanigans with Far Cry six and the Ubisoft says Far Cry six isn't political, which was kind of amazing. What's the update? Because, because they were doing an interview. I want to say it was with IGN in which they said, oh, it's not political. And then the, the articles come out that it's like, well, this game features, you know, communist dictatorship, it features fascism, it features ethnic cleansing and a feature slavery. And Ubisoft says it's not political, which then became Ubisoft has nothing to say
Starting point is 02:03:16 about whether or not slavery is good or bad. Right, right, right, right. And then the director of the game, like a couple of days later, just finally did it. He's like, of course it's political. Yeah, we have a comment. Of course we're using this, but it's not about Cuba specifically, but you know, there's a lot of themes and it's like, we finally did it. All you had to do was put fucking Eve's Guillermo's face next to the words, I don't know about slavery, maybe it's a good idea. And finally they go, oh, okay, fine. Now, fine. And, and, and just to just to put out there, because I feel like almost like you pretty much have to, obviously, clearly for anyone who can't parse this, any game can choose to make social commentary or not social commentary if they
Starting point is 02:04:10 want to, if that's their decision, and there's nothing wrong with going either way on it. You can go all in or you can go all out. It's a medium. You can do whatever you want with a medium, right? When you choose to do it and then back the fuck off and pretend you're not doing it, don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. Fuck you. It's clear. So that's the difference. It's not the choice one way or the other. Dude, dude, it's raining, though. It's fucking pouring outside. It's super. Oh, here's the thunder. Dreads absorb the rain and dreads absorb the hail. They get the hair gets wet for, you know, all heavy. I got to squeeze it out. Dry it with a towel. What the fuck? Oh my god, did we not fucking
Starting point is 02:05:09 talk about David Cage? Was that in the past two fucking weeks? I guess. I guess it was. I guess it was. Holy fucking shit. All right. Give me a second. I mean, like it's been an ongoing story about how the stupid conditions working at Quantic Dream have caused lawsuits to occur, because people were mad and comfortable. And then in court, it sounds like they were presented with direct quotations of things that he said. Oh, did you not read the full article? I did. I did. But or at the very least, I read the breakdown of, no, not the full article, but like what? Okay, so I can. It starts with. I'll break it down for you because I read it over and over and over and over. They're suing two French newspapers. The two French newspapers that
Starting point is 02:06:15 reported that their studio is a toxic shit hole are being sued by Quantic Dream because they're saying we're not a toxic shit hole. How dare you say that we're a toxic shit hole? And the newspaper says fucking bring it on, you pussies. So two things happen. David Cage got onto the stand and to prove the newspaper's point, the defense attorney for the newspaper said, Mr. Cage, we got some quotes here from you. And he says, he goes, ah, you're interfering with my honor. You're interfering with my business. He goes, well, hold on, let's go over some quotes of things that you've talked about. Now, these are translations, though I went to the French article myself and read them myself so I can tell you that these translations are accurate.
Starting point is 02:07:09 The number for the first of which is there's a quote from Dave Cage about all the women in my games are horse. The second is very bizarre. And it's that in the open space, there's a lack of tits. My best guess on that is that he is complaining that like the work lounge or like lunch area doesn't have boobs on the walls. That's all I can figure out from that. It's a very bizarre quote. And the fucking king is that Quantic Dream does not make games for and then he uses the slur for gay people. The F slur. Yes. So the F slur. Correct. And upon hearing all of this, he stammered out that they were interfering with his business, stomped his feet and ran from the courtroom in tears. Now, I don't know about you, but to me, that sounds like an emotion button press prompt
Starting point is 02:08:20 was pressed. Sure does. That sounds like an R one button to me. Another one of the things that brought up in the trial is the management knew and was cool with employees photoshopping each other's heads onto porn or Nazi photos and leaving them around the office as a goof. Then they get the CEO of Quantic Dream up there, which is Guillaume de la Fondation. And they ask him about their hiring and firing practices and note that they are fucky. And when he presented, here's a good example of us firing somebody illegally, the defense attorney looked it over and went, there is tons of illegal shit in this. And then they provided more documentation, all of which were copy pasted firing notices. And they're like, why do these look so fucking sketch
Starting point is 02:09:32 upon which the the CEO looks at the judge and says, well, since I'm not under oath, that means I can lie, right? And just making a bunch of crazy accusations about society and people out to get him. It's good. All in all, those newspapers are going to be fucking fine. I think those are the realest emotions I've heard in a long time. That that's real, like they get it. You know, welcome to Montreal, Quantic Dream. It is it is enormously satisfying that we have been calling this fucking idiot out since 2005 way before we started working in this industry. I remember sitting there with you talking about fucking indigo prophecy. Yeah, I think I'm going, man, this is a bunch of bullshit.
Starting point is 02:10:38 No, I think the first moment that like you cut like that we kind of you sent something off is him dancing in the training thing, right with the with the with the girl with the main character in her underwear. That's the that's the credits. Okay, then then it's then it's her falling in love with zombie man and fucking him right away for no reason, despite your your best efforts to make it not happen, even if you wanted to. It was the it was the it was the it was the Chinese guy in the library. Okay. All right, you know what, fine. That's that would that was that that was the instant in time. It should have been you were like, oh, it should have been Omicron. If we were growing chronologically, if we if we had known, but we had known
Starting point is 02:11:27 that is some hilarious karmic shit. It's it puts so much of it back into a different context, because one of the things that we had all been accused of when we did those LPs is that we weren't giving them a chance and that we were always assuming the most negative possible interpretation of the direction of those scenes, which has now been confirmed to be completely accurate. The direction of those scenes led to Elliot Page suing him. Every point that you're like, this can't possibly be this creepy or awful or horrible or racist or misogynist or whatever on purpose. No, it was on purpose. It was actually totally on purpose.
Starting point is 02:12:24 So those moments that on those moments of are we are you jumping into another person's body to have a weird cuck scene where you fuck the guy's wife inside of the body and and you're like, what what is this actually what it appears to be? And it's like, it's absolutely what it appears to be. That's a hundred percent intentional. Every one of those moments of like, is that yes, the answer is hard. Yes, underlined. Hey, hey, woolly. Let me ask you a question. You ready for this? What if you get ready for this? Black people were robots. Think about it. That's I'm going to go to bed on that one. I got to sleep on it. I got to sleep on that one. I really don't know what. Oh, God. Oh, God. I can't remember it was feels or buttons,
Starting point is 02:13:30 but point out, you know, in heavy rain, how everyone's like a 3D modeled character that's scanned in from a real person. Except for one person. Do you remember the one person in heavy rain that is not scanned in? Is it the black guy? It's the evil black guy. That's cool. Do you remember when people accused David Cage of not being super great with gay people and he started screaming about how he's worked with Elliot Page? Of course. Of course. And everyone was like, that's our post lawsuit. No defense at all. Yeah. Like,
Starting point is 02:14:30 hey, your kid died, put a baby in me. You know, it's incredible because you go back, you go back to the LP of which I think the title card in all of them is Willem Dafoe and Elliot Page sitting there looking like they're going to kill themselves. Next to David going and like, yeah. Wow. That must have been just as shit as you would have expected. Yes. How dare you? I have gay friends and my games are not for them. And like, I think it's a fairly safe assumption that you can auto complete any number of phrases you want with any group that you want about any topic that you want. If the guy standing there going, we don't make games or queers. Right. And using the slur in the middle of his office.
Starting point is 02:15:46 Right. Like, I can't even imagine the shit that was said behind closed doors when they were making Detroit. I just I just want to see the I can't even fucking imagine. I just want to see the vertical slice of the game that never got released where you just you just go on a rampage in an asylum where just mentally ill people are pouring out like World War Z. You know, just just there's the cut the cutting room floor. Anyway, Sony's going to drop that fucking company. Quantic fucking reality. So what, you know, what's great about a quantum dream? It's by its definition,
Starting point is 02:16:50 it's an ephemeral thought that exists in both the state of being real and not real simultaneously. So it looks like it's about their turn to become an unreal thought. It's a ephemeral. Yes. Okay. Oh, were they already dropped by Sony? Is that correct? I don't know about that. But like, I'm under I feel confident that no one at Sony wants to handle the interview that is. So how come you hired David Cage after all that shit? But this is the this is the actual superpower is after every ridiculous release, he somehow managed to get enough power and momentum behind him
Starting point is 02:17:46 to just do it again. And the triple a pretty graphics made everyone go like, wow, it's so pretty and so thoughtful, amazing game. You know, it's it's it tricks your cousin into thinking it's it's an it's a fucking system seller. And it happens every single time. Maybe the difference though, this time being that the character of the man is what's being put up as opposed to the quality of the product. Maybe that'll make a difference. Who knows. But he's managed to fucking slip and escape and make and make some crazy fucking, you know, bigger project or work on something else every time. So I'm not convinced that this is it, like this is not the last you've heard. It's funny, because you mentioned you we were talking about Genius
Starting point is 02:18:34 Kojumbo earlier. And also people have pointed out that Quantum Dream is their own publisher now. So they don't need Sony to get their back so they can they can live in their own world. But you mentioned Genius Kojumbo earlier, right? Genius Kojumbo, his face and name and personality and persona have become his studio, right? It's literally Kojima productions. David Cage is similar in that respect to Quantum Dream. And I'm just thinking what would have happened to Metal Gear or Death Stranding if you open up your newspaper and it's Hideo Kojima is guilty of a string of hate crimes. Or got caught eating a baby, right? That would fuck up those those goddamn releases pretty bad.
Starting point is 02:19:38 It would fuck with the brand. You'd fuck with the money. Yeah, the bag would no longer be secured. But that's what we're looking at here. But when we read that interview years ago, where that other guy was like, yeah, we're bringing a team of writers and other staff to insulate David to dilute him to, you know, to pour in yet pour more water in on on his fucking recipe. It makes it as if it's like, well, this could also be a situation where they can be like, well, we're a studio. He leaves and then they just keep making games and then they just do other shit. I would be so excited to see a Quantum Dream game that David Cage did not work on. It could absolutely exist. It could it could go the like it a gacky style, you know, where because
Starting point is 02:20:32 they just disassociate if they want to see if it's if it's just like the head of the snake or it's all snake. Right? Like if David Cage leaves and the game comes out and you're like, this is incredible. You're like, wow, it really was him. But if it's exactly the same, you're like, oh wow, they're all it's all of them. I'm they're all like that. Yeah. But I feel I feel like it it is the head of the snake if only because we've never like, well, that's not true. That was a blatant lie. I was almost about to say I was almost about to say like we've never had complaints on on a technical level. But that's insane. But but Detroit, the most recent offering was legitimately technically sound. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It was very pretty. It ran really well. And when you have the ability to
Starting point is 02:21:33 make characters and environments like that and do the things they can do on a technical level, but you just remove the asshole from telling them what to do, then you can get something like until dawn, you know, like it's just a great fucking great narrative story. Put it out. No problem. No, no robots having a dream. It's just it it feels it like it's the most satisfied I've ever had up with this. You know, when you meet somebody and you just know you're an asshole, but you just can't prove it. You just can't quite prove it. Isn't that isn't that what Phoenix Wright is about? Is that what you were just saying? It kind of is. And you're like, I don't know about this guy. This guy's an asshole. People
Starting point is 02:22:24 are like, Ah, they're fine. They're fine. You're overreacting. And then they prove it themselves. I mean, admittedly, the smoking gun prior real satisfying the smoking gun before this was a was a farting dick in balls. Was it not? It's not a rugby. It's not a rugby cloak room. They said as they were not aware of a farting dick in balls on the whiteboard behind them. This is an incredible quote to read in this paper article. And those are the ones that they brought to the courtroom, right? Like none of those have anything to say about what was said in private meetings behind closed doors and whatever other circumstances. But yeah, all the all the quotes that like we describe were things that must have been like on the open
Starting point is 02:23:11 development floor that like 20 people heard. Not the shit that was in like three or four person meetings. If you really want to have a baffling head fuck of a moment, try to think about what someone who's writing these stories about these charged topics on race and and and fucking like major social unrest and and someone who like legitimately is does like writes this way and then also acts and and thinks this way and speaks this way and talks this way and is this way. Like what is what's the bridge behind your actual messaging then here? I can tell you right now. How do you parse these things together right now? I'm going to put words in David Cage's mouth words that I have assumed for a long time. It always seemed ridiculous and mean even for me
Starting point is 02:24:13 about Detroit because Detroit is one of black people robots because remember it's not about race. It's not about civil rights, right? And all I can think of when I look at Detroit is a guy writing a story and he wants to write it about civil rights, but he decides to make most of the characters white because he goes well nobody will care if it's about actual minorities or black people. I've got to I've got to make it about like you know something people care about like robots. Like that's what I assume is going through his fucking head. You know this evil spiritual AI is not scary enough. We need to make it Native American. Oh man, you want to talk about indigo prophecy. We clear the fucking rest of the day.
Starting point is 02:25:09 We need to put the headdress and on with the feathers and now it's scary. That shit's that shit's confusing. Like I feel like if we really broke it down there probably be more outrageous shit in indigo prophecy than any of the other games, but it's so legitimately confusing that because it like indigo like Omicron before it like except this takes place on earth so they don't have the liberty of just making up like random races and culture and whatever magic exactly like indigo gets to just be like okay we need a movie trope here to match the emotion of the scene and if the thing in his head happens to be I don't know angels attacking or
Starting point is 02:26:08 or the the the apartment attacks you or whatever then it you know then it just then it's like that's what he felt in that moment but if it also but if it happened to be like scary foreigners you know if it happened or they're just like random witches like it's like whatever fear thoughts he had that morning then just got committed to paper and then to to disk everything everything scary to him you know yeah anyway hang it up now you want to talk about social commentary in your games let's not talk about indigo prophecy let's talk about pal world let's talk about pal world pal world that sounds like a wholesome adventure with your buddies your pals in fact
Starting point is 02:27:13 those buddy pals are sure real friendly they'll literally take a bullet for you and cry so uh craftopia announced a new game called pal world where you collect and raise mysterious creatures called pal in a next-gen open world survival crafting game and from what I can see we got ourselves a little temtem style cute buddy adventure with you and your animal running around um and then some recolors of what are obviously pokemon and exactly 11 seconds into the trailer someone pulls a gun out and starts shooting at you as you surf on your bird and you're like that's gunfire that's I mean a little extreme but video games do have shooting mechanics
Starting point is 02:28:14 pretty commonly so fine you know okay all right yeah and then the gunfire and then the gunfiring becomes more and more pronounced as you attack as the your monster attacks at the same time and then you see your pals building houses for you and you're like oh yeah and mowing and harvesting weeds and you're like oh okay and then around a minute in you pick up a little sheep and it blocks bullets and it's crying wales in tears and you toss it to the side like a piece of shit and then away with a shotgun and then like and they they continue to cut back to friendly uh adventuring and then the last like 20 to 30 seconds are just here is a shot of your pals building guns in a factory on a on a fucking assembly line they're emaciated they're miserable
Starting point is 02:29:14 here is you sniping you poaching so many of these little birdfuckers that they're like being pushed out of the cage they're crammed in a cage as if it were a fucking pita video um here is a shot of your zangoose looking pal blocking the bullets for you as as you know you fucking take your shots you take cover behind it yeah here is your cute little monkeys churning the wheel literally like a donkey to keep the lights on you notice that they're pot leaf monkeys are they is that oh yeah okay they're green they have fucking pot leaves on their fucking head they absolutely have marijuana leaves on their head perfect and then you go fishing and you electrocute the entire lake and kill all that that is the absolute like it's funny because that's not a gun but that's the one
Starting point is 02:30:12 though because you you but the idea of like what if ash strapped pikachu to a fishing rod and went dynamite fishing with fucking thunderbolt is the most incredible fucking thing because like it's it you because every game every game in the world every single game ever made fish catch a fish you got a big one yeah power world over fish the lake kill everything go on your merry way you did it you got them all oh you could only carry like two of them though to sell whatever just leave the restaurant and then you go to the website yes and the website has screenshots of the the fucking pals on the assembly line going make sure to feed them because they will work in their factory until they die so it's important it's important to after you see the
Starting point is 02:31:07 trailer then go see the official description exactly so building do you want to build a pyramid you can have a large number of pals work on construction don't worry labor laws won't be applied to pals factory and automation it is essential for automation to let pals do the manual work build a factory place pals in it they will work forever as long as they're fed until the end of their lifetime dungeon exploration with pals you'll be able to be safe in dangerous areas if you're in danger use pals to cover your escape they'll give their lives to protect you poaching and crime endangered species pals live in the hunting prohibited area if you sneak in and catch them you'll get tons of money it's only illegal if you get caught
Starting point is 02:32:05 this is the greatest fucking thing i've heard of this is the greatest buddy monster game ever made free easy on a fucking rocket ship with a bullet it is it is the game you and i and almost everyone i have ever met in my life at one point invented talking to their friends in elementary or high school so i downloaded temtem on my ps5 i'm about to go delete it because i don't have multiple pokemon games left in me but i do have the energy for something like this for this i got the energy for this i can you know um it's wow it oh man it's so this is this is cryotopia uh craftopio excuse me and no craftopious wait is that the dev because they made a game called craftopia pocket pair excuse me pocket
Starting point is 02:33:22 because craftokia is their breath of the wild build survival game sure now is that at all like let's find out tongue-in-cheek about fucking uh uh uh this type of this type of commentary and and recent reviews are mixed general reviews are very positive yeah i just want to know if craftopia is calling out some wild bullshit practices because that's hilarious uh i yeah i know i see what you say when you go breath of the wild on it again yeah okay it's breath of the wild is going to get used when it's deserved and when it's not it's just the thing now too bad uh the main complaints about craftopia is that it's not finished and people are mad that uh they assume it will never be finished
Starting point is 02:34:17 because they announced uh pocket pals before sorry pal world before craftopia got into a really good state okay but prior to that it has animal slavery mostly very positive so whether or not this is gonna be good it's fucking it's shrug what uh and this is why this is why pita is fucking worthless could you imagine like the game pita would make to make fun of pokemon and if they put you know they're stopping doing it after the kneeling animals yeah sure they stopped doing the fake like cock fighting murderous pokemon games because everyone saw those and went this is fucking lit if you you play that stupid fools if you had an ounce of fucking like competence and under and like and and and actually understood how to communicate a message
Starting point is 02:35:18 in some way that might actually be taken seriously for a half second look at the way this is being handled in this manner like this is exactly it dude like it's fucking it's it's it's insane you know i have to i have to say dude like because i got in uh i got into um a factorial i got in a satisfactory and all those types of games for a little while and i'm going back to satisfactory relatively soon there's a very bizarre thing that happens with this genre that your morals invert right um like you got a midnight start as soon as you start playing like factorial or like satisfactory you're like i want to fucking scorch this planet into a gray nightmare yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i want to make it so that no life can grow calling attention to
Starting point is 02:36:10 that is absolutely overdue you know um yeah it's it's it's incredible how effective that could be at getting that point across because anyway whatever not not to dive down the fucking animal husbandry is fucked up huh i actually can't even think of a game that lets you go dynamite fishing i can't even think of one it's it's again you you're willing i like the reveal on all of those things because you're willing to kind of twist your brain around to be like wow guns plus pokemon that's fucking weird but i guess right and then they kick it forward a little bit they kick it forward a little bit and they kick it forward a little bit slowly dial the knob yep yep boil the frog
Starting point is 02:37:04 that's it that's it like the the trailer some masterfully crafted because you you're right like the first gunfire is sandwiched between like wholesome flying and like riding a cart and and then then it's like oh we're running oh we're building and like the guns don't show up for like a little while again and you kind of forget about it oh they're farming oh they're farming he's shearing some sheeps oh that's cool oh wow warzone yeah rocket launcher oh it's camping oh good camping petting your friend trading like it's it's incredible if act three of this game is about like uh oh the evil nation has gotten their hands on evel tall and their and nuclear deterrence is now no longer an option you must use eugenics to breed the strongest
Starting point is 02:37:57 pal to deter those those dirty people across the border we have alugia we can we can we have time yeah yeah breed the answer out until you have your own legendary and it's like and then there's the tutorial which is what do you do with pals that don't come out of the breeding process the way you want and then it's just like that's okay put them into the feed machine and they can be transported to the factory to feed your workers there's there's egg fusion there's already a shot of two eggs slamming together yeah just go just go just just go hard on all of it you know have it be chipper and happy and and when and even though you're putting bags on your personas heads and cutting them off and then they're exploding into
Starting point is 02:38:55 a new form you're like yeah but these are just concepts and you're in a fake those are all spirits and concepts and you know but they're not alive yeah they're not alive they have no souls a hundred percent yeah yeah yeah no this if this is the trailer like this can go to the darkest most fucked up places if they wanted to just send the message home and the question is is do they have the balls to i'm gonna go ahead and guess yes because they've already decided to put this this game out commercially like i like so let's say they don't finish craftopia right like and they're the type of studio that thinks about like oh well early access this until we early access the next one this one guys pal world's the one and i focus on that one and i think the most fucked up thing
Starting point is 02:39:54 that could happen to a game like this is it becoming a breakout success where they're forced to keep making to build on it expand it make more you know man just fully franchise this energy the worst thing that could happen anyway coming soon to update 3.2 wage theft figure out how to skim a little extra off the top by screwing up your pals hours at the factory the hyperbolic time chamber allows you to turn dinosaur style pals into oil for your energy uses it's like it there's yep yep it's just everything everything yep absolutely whatever you want it to be need extra cash sell some of your pals to sick freaks and don't think about what happens to them
Starting point is 02:41:10 it there's no limit now the question is is basically like what are they gonna do for like like his pokemon pass out and then wake up in the pokemon center when nurse joy revives them like are we in a world where there's pal permadeath i'm gonna go ahead and i'm gonna assume so i'm i'm waiting for the cut scene where you fight youngster joey and he sends out his electa buzz knock off and you beat it and then you pull out your pistol and ice him like new game should have trained harder joey new game normal difficulty is literally a nuzlocke immediately yeah yeah turn could a craft to turn your your down to put your down pal into uh items and feed for the rest
Starting point is 02:42:14 of your team good times the team rocket simulator we've always wanted or god forbid there'd be um evolution branches where you know like there's a couple of different volpix communities uh are near each other uh not volpix um um uh uh uh uh flaryons and jolteons and espion's eevee communities eevee communities not getting along with each other do your thing how do you evolve a pikachu and who will write you don't give him a thunderstorm just shock the shit out of him eight hours a day and he'll eventually turn into a bigger one get the chair out yeah yeah like what i used to i used to make jokes during pokemon about like
Starting point is 02:43:20 shoving the evolution stones down their throats you know and it's like yeah we're here yeah fuck it yeah we're here uh anyway pal world uh kid eyes out for that one eyes out for that uh i i i feel like it can't live up to its own trailer no it really kind of is too amazing and at some point like the only like my the the the like i said the the worst thing that could happen would be it being a breakout success the second worst thing that could happen would be um that's the limit of what there is and everything else is just a straight shooting buddy pokemon world like that kind of sucks they just stop at that level and then everything else is just you know pretty yeah earnest and nothing else to it um please fill every moment every dialogue box with every npc
Starting point is 02:44:16 with nothing but seething seething disdain for the current status quo like this game should be like the disco elysium of pokemon okay well i'm gonna send i'm gonna send you a time stamp to the craftopia trailer okay and i think i think they've already shown that they they got the balls because at 103 in the craftopia trailer you see them going to like a ranch with some cows yeah and then watering some plants yeah and then after the little farming bit it shows like well here's how you cook a big meal and it's a conveyor belt that just drops the cows into the yes yes yes yes yes yes i saw that's the only thing i saw they're like uh on twitter there was like a a conveyor belt with cows and someone went from the makers of this game
Starting point is 02:45:19 and just cows dropping into the fucking thing yeah i did see that i did see that don't worry the killing fields are more of a yard or whatever the fuck the line is just like uh yeah it's great it's good um anyway last thing here uh capcom did an oopsie they did a what oh what did they what oh besides this year's conference uh hundreds of photos used in multiple games by designer judy a juror check filed in a complaint um where over 1200 photographs of textures she photographed were used in uh various capcom resident evil and devil may cry games
Starting point is 02:46:15 over the course of years um so um i'm not a lawyer or a photographer yep capcom should really settle as fast as they can because they are super guilty that's it's it is kind of crazy how they release the court documents showing like exactly how they tracked and traced everything and they're like nope that's exactly that texture um the file names are almost all the same yeah yeah so the thing about stuff like this is like um when the artists are doing their work like this is something where like it is a very clear and possible fuck up to make if they're um kind of just randomly googling things but like a lot of companies go through lengths to train artists and teams to not do that specifically for this reason there are there are resources you
Starting point is 02:47:15 come across of like images sounds and things but you do have to check the um the the the licensing on them whether it's attribution whether it's you know whatever the case may be like there's a lot you have to look into if you're going to use uh resources which is as someone who's who has to constantly like use and do things like this and source sounds and source all of this shit it's a lot to keep track of but like if you become a giant humongous multimillion dollar franchise this is the type of thing that can fucking happen with it so you you got it from day one either take your own texture photos or like make sure that you're using one that you've licensed out it's an easy fuck up to make um and to keep relying on the same library over the years which
Starting point is 02:47:59 companies tend to do because you're like oh we have one it's in the clear and everything's okay should be fine um because in a lot of cases like I remember there was um a deviant art like place that would like collect these these incredible photos and they did sell CDs and things like that as well and it was kind of like um just buying that on its own didn't include commercial usage right it includes usage for free projects usage for students but the moment you were selling the thing that you were using it for you had to do more than that you had to contact the the original artist and um that's where a lot of people just kind of fuck up on that so yeah just settle it settle it and fucking pay them whatever the fuck they're asking for because it's dead to rights like
Starting point is 02:48:49 the fucking texture of uh a book an re remake like the ram head on top of the it's everything they used for like you know decades it's funny because you look at uh a lot of you see like a japanese company they'll do like behind the scenes thing and like let's take mgs2 right and they'll be like look the team went to new york and they're looking at all this shit new york to get a real feel for new york and they're taking photos of everything and like that includes taking photos of surfaces and doors texture absolutely buildings and then they make the textures themselves and there's a reason they fucking do that it's so they can own the fucking texture yes and they don't have to rip this fucking person off but when uh but kojima sending his
Starting point is 02:49:39 team around the world for mgs4 is a price that capcom might not want to pay for devil may cry one or resident evil four you know yeah so buy the rights to the fucking commercial distribution that's it you know that's uh yeah there's there's no real there's no real in between on it it's either you know do your own or or get the fucking get the clearance proper uh though i want to though i was recently looking at um there was a uh that list of like because there's a what is a similar thing was used for music right there's an album of soundtrack of sounds and and um like isolated rap samples that was used in like probably hundreds of games usually japanese games at this point uh i tweeted it out sometime ago or like a response to it or a retweet but it was like
Starting point is 02:50:36 all the shit you hear all the hip hop you hear in cvs one um all the hip hop you hear in a bunch of the samples you hear in jet set radio um fucking just like a ridiculous giant list of games that just went like oh yeah there's this one album that has a bunch of like um i think it's just like attribution license um hip hop on it you know they just grabbed it and threw it in there and that's why you kind of hear like verses or you're like i've heard that verse before or like why do cvs ones like um um the south town stage or our metro city stage have like fucking swearing in it you know that the end of the verse it's like i'm ready to fucking spill and i remember i was like that wasn't in what where what that's odd yeah um you know and and also like efsler earlier on in
Starting point is 02:51:32 the verse too you know and it's just like what what the it's like yeah because they had there's one disc that was used for like all of these samples samples you know so um it's fucking it's this this definitely happens but you gotta you gotta gotta gotta gotta gotta look into the attribution license for it anyway let's take some letters and uh wrap up all right if you want to send in a letter send it to castle super beast mail gmail.com that's castle super beast mail gmail.com you'd think this podcast would be longer considering it's e3 week but e3 sucks now and has sucked for years as does my fucking spine but um i mean you know what are you going to talk about fucking halo infinite like what are we doing here you know what no here i will say this
Starting point is 02:52:17 the outer worlds 2 trailer was pretty great what's that sorry outer worlds 2 ah yeah it was funny that was good i don't think hopefully they can make a better game this time yeah it'll never happen again um it only works once but that was pretty clever it was just a straight up call out to e3 bullshit i think uh the the starfield trailers hilarious that they waited this many years to show starfield and it's still the nothing trailer there's nothing in it i mean wow yeah like shout outs to fucking outer worlds for for acknowledging the nothing trailer and the and the nothingness yeah of what they've what they've got so far um i saw that i saw the guy who directed it and came up with the idea with it and it's like he
Starting point is 02:53:10 was talking about like i can't believe the company let me do this yeah yeah solid uh oh and yeah pretty much everyone has more or less buried beyond good and evil too in their hearts so i saw people that had like the audacity be like where is it i'm like it never existed you fucking idiots it it didn't it obviously didn't exist both times they announced it yeah oh ff16 showcase rumor to happen in a couple weeks okay well there you go oh that'd be nice that's what everyone's looking for yeah all right all right if you got an email you can send it on i might read it what do you got uh castle super beast mail at gmail.com got one uh coming in from
Starting point is 02:54:10 Sheldon says hey will Ryuki and Potemkin uh with a recent conversation with some of my friends i was thinking if your state or province was in a fighter what landmark iconic place would be the stage uh yeah uh absolutely three clear solid answer here the destroyed olympic stadium collapsing around you yeah uh number one for me it like the ha ha is the olympic stadium uh and number two for real is they put it in kebek city and they put it in front of chateau fraude neck oh and then you you'd be fight you'd be fighting near the entrance to one of the inner city walls with chateau fraude neck in the background are you a fan of uh that would absolutely be the kebek stage it's a very pretty building it's really nice
Starting point is 02:55:11 um we got one coming in from peter says recently finished uh hello woolly's end club and pat the mind goblin files i recently finished world ends club the new game by the dudes behind zero scape and dang and rampa oh so i guess the second thing came out because i know um i know that anime uh was was the first project of uh their new studio uh anyway while not terrible the game was incredibly hard to recommend for a number of reasons why the unresponsive and floaty puzzle platformer sections were chief among my complaints i left a bizarre feeling that i wished the game had less not better less gameplay so that i could progress through the story faster
Starting point is 02:56:00 naturally my question is have you encountered this feeling where you'd wish the game had less to play and if so which games you had about 80 percent of the way through virtues last reward i felt that i just wanted to fucking see the end of the story but they kept making me solve these room puzzles we talk infamously about okami and okami 2 the joke is my favorite yeah for for it's also it's also like decades old at this point so for anyone who's new and young um okami there is no okami 2 there's okami den but that's not okami 2 okami is so fucking long that there's an okami 2 inside of okami yeah because it okami just needs to be shorter it also like hard splits itself into three parts yes there's a part where you the credits should roll but don't
Starting point is 02:56:51 also excuse my exclamation my wonderful fiance who my love very much despite being allergic to pineapples which is a noted on the record fact just almost choked drinking pineapple juice what are you doing over there why why does she keep doing it i don't know i don't know isn't just like i know this is going to fuck me up but i'm going to take it anyway because i like no she forgot she likes the pineapple because it's delicious and then she drinks it and then she's like ow ow allergic rights right holy shit chaos chaos yes that's right darling chaos though yes chaos chaos though yeah by the way incredible retweet on that that was the perfect joke for the perfect moment it's good
Starting point is 02:57:52 thank you uh lastly we got one coming in from greg who says uh sorry for the long post but it's not a question just an interesting story i think will rile you up uh pat complained about total warhammer's graphical performance but that games one of the most stable in the series despite the optimization problems instead oh yeah let me tell you about total war atilla released in 2015 atilla has a 32 meg uh engine with very high graphical floor nobody can get the campaign map to run above 30 to 35 frames even when it's oh my god not a smooth 30 battles turn into slide shows the further they last and intern phases can last several minutes depending on the campaign state turning down graphical options actually makes the performance worse as the game pushes the
Starting point is 02:58:44 graphical burden to the cpu instead of the gpu and of course it's the type of game that'll never recognize more than a handful of cores uh or a few gigabytes of vram when people pointed out the atrocious optimization on release some marketing viking at creative assembly claimed the game was intended for future hardware this is an infamous bald face lie as the game runs the same or sometimes even worse on the most high end 2021 hardware it never received optimization patches uh a defense force then uh emerged online with a bunch of trolls but a lot of genuine idiots who literally who legitimately say runs fine for me at 60 fps but will never share videos of their benchmarks once i saw a guy trying to photoshop the fps counter onto a screenshot of the game oh my god
Starting point is 02:59:35 that's awesome instead of trying to admit it instead of admitting it runs poorly you can still find these lunatics um if you post on reddit or twitter i played every unoptimized triple a game and atilla is easily the worst of the lot while having one of the most laughable excuses from a dev i've heard on the flip side it's mechanically and aesthetically one of the best strategy games i've played so sorry for the length but uh yeah there's the come on more hammer three come on man you ever get so fucking butt mad on the internet that you get caught photoshopping a fucking fps counter onto a screenshot that's wild that's completely fucking wild i love it hang up your fucking jacket and hat retire you're done the internet is done all right
Starting point is 03:00:32 we're not gonna top that it's good it's good so we'll bid y'all adieu uh yeah uh just uh just a touch on the uh schedule for um this week i've got a bunch of appointments to do things with both back and and such so i'm not gonna have a normal week again but yeah you're in a free floating state of free floating state first but i might be able to get something in there uh towards the end of the week so uh i might be able to get like a uh uh yeah like thursday friday or saturday thing going we'll see uh check by twitter for more um i would like to you know fucking pick back up when when possible uh and in the meantime stay tuned i'm gonna try to get that that last two episodes of the lore up uh asap for you guys so that's what's going on on the channel um check out the twitter
Starting point is 03:01:30 for more updates because uh yeah everything's touch and go on the on the meantime over at pat stairs at i'm doing the nintendo bullshit tomorrow which is apparently going to include two smash characters uh and then i'm going to do a full week of ratchet and clank and mass effect too so hopefully people show up and enjoy that shit and that's it cool all right bye everybody

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