Castle Super Beast - CSB 143: To Reach Bad 3D Horses We Must Go Through Florida

Episode Date: November 30, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Let's go! Hey, what's up? How's it going? Hey! Good afternoon, Willie. How are you today? Good, good. Things are okay. Not too bad. Not too bad. We're managing. Okay, fantastic. I'm a little late on this. I'm about two weeks late on this, but I just saw the news today, and I want to give a big shout out to everybody out there, everybody listening to this, everybody worldwide, and particularly those of us who, or those of us, those who live in the British Isles or the former British Empire. I want to thank you for your hard work. Enough damage has been done to the
Starting point is 00:01:16 Queen of England. She is entering a new phase. We've broken through and moved to a new phase on the Queen. We're almost there. Okay, okay. What phase is that? I'm gonna assume you didn't see those articles. Have the vocals start kicking in on the boss fight? It is. It is the most baffling series of articles I've ever seen about the Royal Family, in which they all say the Queen has retreated to the palace and has entered a new phase. You can literally look up Queen of England new phase, and you'll find these fucking weirdo articles. New phase. Okay. Yeah. And people are wondering if she is pupating possibly. We may not see her for a
Starting point is 00:02:22 while. Okay, I see. I just know she's gonna step down off a chariot and take her coat off. No, this is this is the rules of nature. Like the boss fight vocals are kicking in towards the end, you know, as you're doing hype shit and popping off. This is when it all this in all seriousness. No, though, it's because she's fucking old. Okay. It's not because she's decided to pull out the moonlight greatsword and went, Ah, you were by my side all along. What's likely is in fact that she is in poor health and is old and is not going to be making purple. Sorry, purple public appearances because passerby's notice. Hey,
Starting point is 00:03:09 why are the Queen's body parts purple and dead? And she was in the hospital yesterday and was whisked from the from the palace to the hospital back to the palace. My guiding moonlight, which means everybody out there with your negative thoughts. I want you to stop that. I want you to stop. Take a break. You've earned it. Take a full day of rest and tomorrow you start those negative thoughts again as hard as you ever had right there, right there. You know, I feel like we're headed for a weird era where like the center of it, I feel like the center of attention when I was a kid would shift. Maybe it's just
Starting point is 00:04:03 because it was my perception, but in terms of like, you know, global attention, it feels like it would always shift backwards towards a like, what's up? I just saw so many in the chat yell out the Queen 1% and rage. Okay. And sure, sure. More. You or more dots, more dots, more dots, more dots and range, and then you got to start over. The floor pattern is wild. Call in the tank. You have to take this hit. Yeah, I can't. I can't. I can only follow so many steps into this joke into this very into the job. Yeah, I know that's fine. That's fine. Um, but, uh, no, the The
Starting point is 00:04:52 I was just, anyway, I was just going to say that, like, I feel like the center, the center of attention is going to be on a whole bunch of like young people getting older and it's going to stay on the old people for a while. Yeah, that's that's how it go. Yeah. And, but like, I think it might be a little bit like more focused on the old, like with, because it feels like, I don't know. Um, it hasn't been as gradual. It hasn't been as gradually moving towards the young as fast as I thought. Yeah. You know, we're going to be hearing about Bezos's new blood treatment and shit and so on and so forth. Yeah, like 60 years and we're all
Starting point is 00:05:33 going to have to fucking put up with Musk's fucking stupid bullshit until he blows up in orbit and the, the, the shallow maze and, and Zendaya's and, and Holland's of the world will continue to be the, the, the young faces, but like it's not going to be as much about them as it is going to be about like whatever else Leo is doing, what's his latest movie and, or, you know, I don't know. Um, just yeah, everyone that we've been watching for our entire lives going forward into their gray, you know, so here's a fun, including idea. Have you noticed that, uh, as time has gone on over our lifetimes, movie studios, let's use movie studios
Starting point is 00:06:22 have become increasingly desperate to monetize anything that the public already knows. So sequels, remakes, remakes of sequels, sequels of remakes of mental real estate is the highest value. That applies to people too. Yes. Why, why, why would the paparazzo follow around this new star when they can just hang out at Leonardo DiCaprio's house and watch the school bus pull up? Absolutely. Absolutely. It's going to be there every day. And, you know, we've, and the, the the torch passing has been going on for a while now with, you know, the, uh, the, the, when the, when the kids have said people also go straight into stardom.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Um, you know, and sometimes it's certainly it's, it's well deserved, like, uh, Colin Hanks, um, that is, uh, that is a generous use of the word deserved. I didn't say Chet Hayes. God damn it. I said, I can't get them very big celebrities should not be allowed to have more than one child. Okay. Well, anyways, you clearly mix them up. No, Colin Hanks is great. He's really good at acting. He's fantastic. Um, you know, earned his, his, his, his roles and, you know, and then there's exactly, then there's the other cases out there. Um, yeah. Anyway, um, sure. New, new phase for the queen. Die, queen. Wonderful. That's, that's
Starting point is 00:08:18 my, that's my stance on the topic. If anybody was unclear. Um, so I mean, I mean, get better soon. So I suppose, uh, I should probably elaborate on a couple of things and, and, and, uh, basically describe, uh, how a couple days ago, um, I was, uh, in the middle of playing some SMT five. Yes, you were. Yes. And, uh, I had recently acquired some cheez-its because, uh, and, and, you know, before there's any, uh, snack judges out there, I realize, and I do agree that cheez-its are not the best tasting snack. However, they are pretty, they were there. They're keto friendly. They're, they're not as carby as, uh, because they're
Starting point is 00:09:18 mostly cheese. I mean, I'd have a cheese. Yeah. They're mostly cheese. Therefore, they're not as carby as like a big, real chip, for example, of potato varieties. So, uh, that's why I was eating some cheez-its, you know, and, uh, they, they're, they're pretty tiny. And so I was holding a couple in my fingers and then, um, I had, uh, I, I got a message from Min about something with the, the transfer of, uh, the LPs and stuff. So I had to go grab the SD card with the micro SD card specifically. Oh, the little tiny baby ones. Yes. Because recently I had to switch to a different reader. The old reader broke. So now I'm using a micro SD. So
Starting point is 00:10:05 I'm holding the tiny, tiny ones exactly. So I have both of these in my hand and I'm snacking and, um, and I'm walking over to change the SD and then, um, my headphone, like, I think the battery starts to die. So, yeah, like I basically I'm like, Oh, let me go over and just do that while I'm walking. And, uh, yeah, as I'm walking over, it just, it, it, I'm holding them with the micro SD card, but I'm looking at where the headphones are and I'm absent-minded and I raise the SD card to my mouth and stop before I release the SD card. See your original tweet was unclear because this could have gone three ways. Yes. And I was going
Starting point is 00:11:00 for this could have, this could have been this obviously, right? What actually happened? You could have destroyed it with a bike and that's the end of it. Or you could be like, well, I am the footage now as it floats around in your torso. Yeah, no, micro SD cards in particular are just going down in one. And that would have been, I would have, I would have eight at least two weeks or so worth a footage. It's real easy. Um, but I did stop myself. However, the tweet I was going for refusing to big, like describe situation refuses to explain, does not elaborate. Yeah. So, um, I did in fact pump the brakes as it was at my mouth,
Starting point is 00:11:51 but like that observation was quite dangerous to which I realize, you know, the cheese at size is about twice the size of a micro SD, but it's a little too comparable. So I ask and I recommend you would have had to pass that if you ate that's small enough to go all the way. Oh, no, I'm not trying to get that back out. If that went down, I'm just that we're just riding with it. Oh, you wouldn't try and induce vomiting to get it. No, that's done. It's too small. Fuck it. Like, okay, if I ate the data, I ate the data. I feel as if, you know, if it were like, if it were like the size of an act, a normal SD card, it
Starting point is 00:12:36 would be too annoying in my throat, you know, um, but micro, it's like, it's half a chew. Like you, it's gone. You know, you can swallow that with water, like a pill. I've literally swallowed larger pills. Yeah, I've, I've swallowed some big pills. Yeah. So though you get to have that realization as it passes through your throat and it hits like the tiny piece of like your palate or something. And it's a completely hard plastic object. You know, uh, what? Yeah. And I feel like wait a second, the body would not enjoy the plastics and metals. But like, I don't imagine the amount would be like anything that would cause
Starting point is 00:13:16 major damage. You just have to know it would cause discomfort at the end. Yes. And that would be it. At which point, if the footage then reappeared on, on YouTube, you could all, you could all imagine how we got it. No, I, I, Hey man, it happens. Everybody makes mistakes. Yes. Things like this just happened and you, you dodged the mistake. I dodged the mistake. And I think that's important. Um, because not everyone is as fortunate as to dodge the mistake. It's not like you were doing laundry. No, almost knocked yourself on the ass by just in huffing bleach.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Just huffing it. Like I understand the instincts of like, what's in here? But the, the, there's very few things that can be in your house that you're not supposed to sniff. And at the top of that list would be the bleach in, in the laundry room. That's the top of the list. Yeah. Why, you know, the thing that's poison, that's correct. Just a hard poison. Yeah. So, um, sometimes you just got to figure out what's going on and what better way than to ingest it. You know, like, what if you would eat in that micro SD card and then you could tell what the footage was? Like, what if you were looking under the sink and
Starting point is 00:14:45 like, you're like, was this the rat poison or was this or the orange candy? You know, and then you just like, just touch it to your tongue just to go like, is that, which one, which one is that? You know, yeah. Oh, it's a good one. Yeah. Anyways, so, um, word to the wise, don't get distracted by a third thing. Don't get distracted when you're dealing with inedible objects of any kind. That being said, I'm sure as we live in a world of SD cards, USBs and all kinds of super tiny micro devices, like how many children have just gotten into a, like the computer room and just shoved SD cards and swallowed a bunch of shit
Starting point is 00:15:35 that, you know, they then had to like, the parents have to fucking go get help. Yeah. Well, I'm just thinking of like the pre-dating that like quite a bit was when I was a child, my dad, like even a young child, my dad would very, very strongly point out, do you see that blue shit that looks like Kool-Aid? Don't drink that. You will fucking die because it will taste like Kool-Aid. Don't drink it. It's antifreeze. You will die. And then at some point in my growing up, they finally added bitterance to antifreeze to cut down on the amount of pet and child fatalities.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Did it actually taste like, has a shit ton of glucose? Yeah. Sugar? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It's very sugary. Okay. Fuck. So like dogs and young children will eat like, like mouth holes. Tons of it. Was it kept within reach? Yeah. Cause antifreeze containers are heavy. Yeah. Cause antifreeze containers are heavy. They'd be at like the bottom of the, of like your garage.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Jesus. Okay. And it would look like a big fucking jug of Kool-Aid. Yeah. Of course. Don't know what the fuck they were thinking with that. I don't know why it took them like decades to add bitterance to it. No. And you got to hide the color. You got to put, you can't make it a big transparent juice bottle looking thing. Yeah. With this, with a logo of like a polar bear on it.
Starting point is 00:17:08 See, Nintendo knew right away and decided to make the Switch games bitter. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So that a bunch of idiots with YouTube channels would taste them and go, EWITZGROZE! Now, um, I can confidently say that probably one of the dumbest things I did when I was really young, and I still remember doing it, is playing with my Lego. And I took the Lego man and I thought it was interesting how I could put it in my mouth, not swallow and lean my head back and have it go and like stop at the swallow point,
Starting point is 00:17:52 but not actually go down and then go like, ah, and now it's back out. And I was like, oh, there must be some sort of like platform that it sits on or something that like stops it, you know? And I was like, huh, what is that? And I was just, I just remember trying to visually think of like what my, the inside of my throat looked like. And I was like, there must be like a table or a flat thing at the bottom, like right behind my, my, my throat in the esophagus.
Starting point is 00:18:24 How are you in this story? Like six, five, you know, like that's too old. For this story, I mean, I was definitely, I was definitely like, I knew about the dangers of things, but yeah, no, no. Five, six people are still fucking around and doing dumb things like, you know, but I remember doing that just being like, huh, why doesn't it go down? That's, that's curious. And then, you know, obviously stop doing that.
Starting point is 00:18:57 And I also like dived in a pool by myself when no one was looking like at like three or four or so, to which a brother had to like, I mean, a lot of people did dive in and save me. So, you know, uh, did a couple of when I, when I was three years old, I dived in a pool when nobody was looking and by nobody was looking. I mean, my neighbor Corey was looking and by nobody was looking except for Corey. I mean, Corey pushed me into the pool and held me under Jesus Christ. Cause Corey was an asshole.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Okay. No, that's, uh, I was, I just thought I would jump in after everyone had gotten out and had dried off and was like done with the pool for the day. I wanted to go in. So I just did and no one noticed, uh, for a bit, but they heard a splash. And then like, yeah, my brother had to just run in and or step brother to run in and dive in and pull me out and shit and be like, what are you doing, man? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Um, anyway, anyway, don't, uh, by the way, the end of that story is that we no longer ever went to Corey's house. Is that okay? Was it his pool? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:03 He was five. All right. The pushing in the pool stories that happened at my cousin's place, uh, came to an abrupt end, I believe, I wasn't there, but I think they're cause like just shoving people into pools was a thing you could do cause people didn't have cell phones back then. Right. The last time I shoved somebody into a pool was about 12 years ago.
Starting point is 00:20:29 And the fun immediately soured when it was like my fucking phone. God damn it. Okay. Then you did that. Just, yeah, we pushed, we pushed, uh, you remember, Nick? Yeah. We pushed him into a pool and then he comes up and his glasses are all fucked up and he goes and he just starts swearing at the top of his lungs in French
Starting point is 00:20:48 and pulls out his admittedly destroyed 12 years ago is way too recent, dude. The pool push died. You had to stop doing that. At least 15 to 20 ago. Uh, because yeah, that's exactly we were wasted to be fair. Even before the cell phone age, like the possibility of a pager, you know, there were a couple of things like that that could have, that could have happened. Um, and at, and at the very least there, the transitional period of like stop it
Starting point is 00:21:23 guys, stop it, stop it. Okay. Okay. Let me just hear, wait, let me just take my shit out first. Right. Just take my wallet and phone and phone or whatever. Okay. Fine.
Starting point is 00:21:32 Yeah. Accepting it. There was that period, but now, yeah, that's over. But, um, over at my cousins where, uh, getting tossed in the pool, uh, was a constant when I, we weren't there one time. I heard that like that happened, um, after some time of like neglect or I don't know what happened, but they, I guess they just didn't maintain the pool or did it, they didn't do something they needed to and, uh, I know exactly what they
Starting point is 00:21:59 didn't do and the fucking walls of the pool just split apart and all that chlorine water just raced out all over the lawn, all over, uh, Henry Barassa and all over the neighbor's prized garden, of course, of course it did. Of course it did. And that soured, I mean, that used to be a friendly neighbor and that stopped being a friendly neighbor above ground pool, right? Yep. Hey, I used to help my dad take care of the pool back at one of my, one of the
Starting point is 00:22:37 places I lived as a kid. Hey, if those of you don't know, there's only two things you need to do to maintain your pool outside of like putting it away for winter and draining it and stuff like that. One, check the pH every week and then dump the requisite amount of chlorine, make sure your pool isn't poison. Two, every time you're having fun in the pool, have an adult yell at you not to kick off the sides to go really fast.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's the structure. Number two, yeah, is what caused your problem. Okay. Okay, that would explain it. Yeah, we, everybody kicked the fuck off the sides, man. Yeah, no, that every single time you do that, you make that the total pool just a little bit weaker. Oh boy.
Starting point is 00:23:23 And I guess they can't make them that much more sturdy. Otherwise you can't set the things up, but anyway, above ground pools. Yeah, that's a fucking liability. Um, I mean, I don't, I don't think, like, I think it just hit the highway, but I like, there's a lot of cars, there's like a highway nearby. And I don't think any cars were touched, but like the main thing we heard about was just like the neighbor behind losing his fucking mind. And I don't know if like the charges were pressed, but I heard there was talk of it.
Starting point is 00:23:54 I don't know, man. Pool water is like hyper talks. Oh yeah. Life, like that shit's done. It's gone. And I don't know about even replanting without a complete soil redo, you know. Hey, shout out to the guy who says above ground pools are so trashy. Sorry, I was poor asshole.
Starting point is 00:24:17 At the time it was above ground or nothing. Like there's no one I knew had fucking in ground. You know, that's, that's a, that's a modern, affordable convention. The only people I knew that had an in ground pool in my entire life was the family that I described my pal, Eric, who had the two brothers that were always fighting and the dad who just hid in the garage looking like he was one step away from suicide. You may remember me describing that family.
Starting point is 00:24:50 Jesus. They had an in ground pool. Okay. Yeah, it became more common later on, but like in the 90s, fucking everyone had an above ground pool or nothing. That was it. Um, and yeah, everyone took a trip down to a club piece in. Oh man, this is shit, man, piss in pool.
Starting point is 00:25:15 It's fine. Walking around a pool store is cool. It has a nice smell. Smells like pools. Oh, you like that? I don't, I'm not. Pool smell is an overtly clean smell. Yeah, but it's, it's like the chlorine at a high intensity is chlorine.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Smells like clean. It's just burning. Yeah. Okay. Clean. You'd like smelling salts. Well, woolly, I grew up in a household in which one parent had OCD and the other was a working man who would rinse paint off his hands by dipping them into the
Starting point is 00:25:48 fucking bucket of turpentine. So then you like the janitor. I was like, I was set up to adore hardcore cleaning products. You like the janitor fumes that come off the school ground when he just. I'll be really honest. My favorite of the bad chemical smells is man, gasoline. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Gasoline fucking rules. Pat. I know not to huff it, but I'm just saying if I accidentally get a whiff. That's, that's a smile. Pat the gas huffer over up in shats. Huff and gas with the boys and shats. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:26 So not only did I not know to, sorry, not only did I know not to huff gas because my parents correctly advised me not to do it. I knew a kid who did occasionally huff gas. And I did not want to be like Adam. That's good. That's, that's good. The admin Greg would hang out and play with gasoline and styrofoam and try and jury rig jury rig napalm and fuck around with spare shell casings.
Starting point is 00:27:00 Their uncles gave them. Like the question is, is like, for, at least for me, I didn't exactly have access to gas to begin with. I like, I wasn't going to siphon it from the car. They didn't keep spare gas containers lying around. And I'm not going to the fucking gas station. So like, I'm more like, where are you getting the gas from anyway? Lawnmower.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Jesus fucking best part about more on the lawn is getting, getting just a little tertiary whiff of the forbidden scent. Okay. Well, I don't have any deep and then it mixes with fresh cut grass and you're
Starting point is 00:27:50 like, yeah, that's, that's a good, I don't, I don't have any deep affection for chemical smells. I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Uh, all right. Did a couple of things this week. Tell me about the couple of things that you did this week. Um, and there's a lot, there's a, a lot of things to touch on.
Starting point is 00:28:14 So let's just roll pretty quickly. Uh, yeah, let's roll it. Uh, watch the first episode of arcane and it was very good. How is it? It was very good. Yeah. Um, yep, it was, it was, would you agree with me when I said that like, you'd probably still watch it even if it was boring, just cause it looks so pretty.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Yes. Um, what I found particularly impressive, which is, you know, uh, notable is the infinite budget and the absolute lack of a, of, of a non-money frame anywhere in the entire series. Uh, yeah, the absolute ridiculous amount of money spent on every frame is what I found to be pretty interesting. You know, um, in particular, the scene and the first episode where the mentor is talking to the shop keep, um, and then like the cops walk in is one where the
Starting point is 00:29:12 light on their faces and the detail of the animation of their lips and all those little things, just from a 3d perspective is unbelievable, but it looks like a freeze frame of the, all the artwork I've seen of League of Legends painted and put into the game, every frame, a painting as, as, as they say, um, that not only looks incredible, but matches the style of the artwork. So infinite budget, shout outs to infinite budget. It's pretty incredible. Well, it's weird because like the, the design of like a lot of the characters
Starting point is 00:29:47 is different from the design in league and the design of these characters is way better than their league designs like Echo Jinx, Caitlin, et cetera, have like very variations on their original designs that are a hundred times better than their current real designs. So I'm, I assume every single character I see is a like prequel or pre timeline version of a playable character later on. I think the weirdest one by far was that I, I was like, yes, except excuse me, mom and dad, I'm working, uh, except for the character of Jace, who is just some guy,
Starting point is 00:30:35 some scientist man. And then I loaded up Runeterra and it was like new card, Jace from Arcane. Okay. And I was like, yeah, okay. Because I'm just looking like there's so many playable characters in this shit that like even the dumb like bum kid that like follows them and gets into the fight. I'm like, even, I'm like, I bet you he's somebody. I bet you everybody somebody.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Okay. But yeah, so it's, it's definitely a very weird situation watching a hyper like, I don't know, a far flung prequel in which you're like, guaranteed not to die. Right. Guaranteed not to die, et cetera. Um, I got a couple episodes in and, uh, yeah, that quality kept going. All I really have to say is that there's a character that fucking sucks, but you're like, maybe they don't suck so bad.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Oh no, they, they, they suck hard. They're the worst. Good job on correctly demonstrating that through the narrative that they're totally the worst. Now, to those of you who are saying, Jace has been a champion for years, I hear you, but he wasn't a card until a couple of weeks ago. And as we all know, the card game is the main game. Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:59 That everything else sprang from now, to be fair, despite the fact that like all the marketing I've seen mentions that this is the world of Runeterra in art, when the show starts up underneath it, it says League of Legends, right? Yeah. So they, they, at the end of the day, they back down and kind of went like, it's, it's LOL, you know, no matter how much they want to talk about the, the Runeterra universe. Um, so that was, that was nice.
Starting point is 00:32:26 That was nice. It was good that they, that they had the infinite budget. Um, uh, the other thing, uh, that I very much enjoyed were the, uh, the breathy female vocals that kick in, you know, imagine dragons kicking in. That's that, that's all fine. That was doing its thing. Um, and then at some point there's definitely that, that vibe of the welcome to your life. I mean, I also don't even remember that.
Starting point is 00:32:56 No, there was, there was at some point in the middle of the first episode, we do that, the, the modern movie trailer thing, you know, um, where you just got to get, you got to get, it's that same. Anyway, it's like that. It's that movie clip movies are all right or aren't all right. Where everything has that same sounding like, like it's, uh, you know, um, post, uh, um, Amy Winehouse, but not as good, light, vocally welcome to your life. And then it fades into like, and then someone makes a quip and then someone
Starting point is 00:33:35 raises an eyebrow at the camera, you know. Uh, anyway, there's a little bit of that, that music happening. And I was like, ah, there it is. You know, the whisper song, the whisper songs that happen in all the trailers these days. No, you haven't seen any of that. I have no idea what you're talking about. Oh wow.
Starting point is 00:33:51 No idea what you're talking about. Okay. What are you talking about? Okay. So there's, uh, a trend that happens a lot. And it's the, no, no, I know the trend. I know, but what are you talking about in regards to the show? There's a song in the middle of the first episode that's like that.
Starting point is 00:34:05 It's a whisper song. Okay. I did not realize. All right. I watched that like two weeks ago. Okay. So there's the Imagine Dragon song in the, in the intro. And then there is halfway through when they hit the switch to go down to the
Starting point is 00:34:21 underworld for the first time. Oh, right. And as they're going down to the underworld for the first time and they're looking and showing you all the underworld life, there's playing one, a whisper song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all, you know, that thing. Uh, welcome to the playground.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Yeah. So, so anyway, that, that, that part is, it was funny. Uh, but yeah, no, definitely. I'm like, that's, that's some quality shit. And, um, some of the, like, yeah, just con, conversationally, like some of the best, like just close up lip syncing and facial expression stuff that, uh, I've seen, I mean, I like a lot of facial expression stuff, you know, like the, the Pixar movies have gotten, you know, um, praised for that.
Starting point is 00:35:11 And then at a certain point, the, like the overdoing it gets noticed. Um, but, uh, I, I, but I think it's, it's, it, it comes through pretty well in the, in, in a lot of moments here. Um, that there's that, like, I think a moment in the beginning where like, uh, Vi is telling one of her partners to shut up and kind of just does like a, like, shut the fuck up kind of face. And it's like, oh yeah, that's, that's good animation. I appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:35:38 You know, so, um, anyway, gonna keep watching that. It's probably the, and none of that I'm thinking about it. It's probably the only thing I've ever watched on Netflix in which I got annoyed by macro blocking, um, do streaming. Like every now and then there'll be a scene transition with colors and you get to see like a little bit of streaming artifact or something like that. Oh, did you get it? I didn't, I didn't have any of that.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Uh, the reason it's nothing, it's, it's, it's par for the course and I'm, I'm on a above average Lee, big TV, but it, it, it specifically annoyed me because it reminded me of when, uh, Blizzard would compress their fucking CG animation. The Warcraft three intro with the fucking bird. And I'm like, with the Raven, it's like, I know that you rendered this at a goddamn higher bit rate. Watching that, I watched that a bunch of times because that thing in particular
Starting point is 00:36:38 was not only was, was the compression in full effect there, but, um, it was used as a, an example of like how good 3d studio max is because they used that to, to render it. Um, and that bird, that Raven, uh, picking at the body and then the orcs and out marching and all that shit. Like, yeah, I know exactly the era and type of, uh, type of compression you're talking about. It used to happen.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Um, that was cool. Uh, how far in are you? I'm three episodes in and they, they were released in three episode chunks. Okay. So I guess I'm at the end of act one. And it definitely feels like the end of the first act. Stuff has happened. I, I then like, I showed, uh, punch mom the designs for, uh, for
Starting point is 00:37:29 Jynx and Vi later on, and it's just like, whoa, what the fuck? And it's just like, yeah. So this is a dialed down, like pre-story, you know, like, like, uh, or so. Cause like they certainly, like you can imagine them growing up and becoming those characters, but like it also is like, it's still a video game. So it's full of ridiculous over the top, like shit happening at the same time. So yeah, they just, they, they, they go, they become like basically like, uh, uh, Batman characters is the, you know, the way I described it.
Starting point is 00:38:05 I think the most like goofy version of that is that you have Echo who becomes like very chrono punk looking in whatever design he ends up with later on, but his child design is like absurdly simple. He's got the bleached hair. He's got a white shirt on. That's pretty much it. And so in order to get the requisite amount of design elements onto his character, like cause Vi and powder keep their hair and their general
Starting point is 00:38:38 clothing look, they fucking have him fixing a clock and the fucking scene that he appears in. Oh, okay. That's the guy with the, um, that little kid is the, the, the time dilation dude with the blue sword. And so they, oh, look, he's fixing a clock. Ah, okay. Ah, do you get it?
Starting point is 00:39:00 Yeah, I did. He's going to be the time kid. I didn't, I didn't, uh, I, but, uh, when you see a design like that, though, and you're like, for sure, this is somebody. So, yeah. Um, so there's also the, you may. Imagine the designs echoes are probably a really good example cause you look at Echo and Caitlin.
Starting point is 00:39:19 If you look at their designs in league and then you look at what their designs are either in this or in project L it's fucking night and day. It's, it's, it's a, it's a dramatic upgrade. And I can only wonder if the people who are actually making arcane made the new design, which is way better than the shit riot came up with. Oh, does he look different? Are they just in the fighting game from, hmm, okay. Yeah, he does.
Starting point is 00:39:48 I'm, I'm just, I'm Googling. Yeah, I'm looking at it now. Oh, okay. Uh, the absolute, like the, the one that is like the, the wildest change is Caitlin's stupid top hat shit. It is like just the goddamn worst. Oh, let me see, like, hold on. Let me send this to you.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Like this is what the original Caitlin crap. Uh, I don't know who that is. She doesn't show up at the first. Oh, you know, she, oh, she doesn't. Does she? No. Uh, but that is like that character is supposed to be one of the cops that you were seeing.
Starting point is 00:40:40 Okay. And so every part of that design got thrown away and replaced with what is now the cop uniform that you see. Okay. Uh, right. So what, uh, yeah, why are you guys talking about spoilers? Her card came out over a year ago or no, six, seven months ago. Anyway, I, I didn't see.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Uh, or whatever. Um, so arcane money go, uh, I watched, uh, the first episode of, uh, what we do in the shadows and, um, I'm, I'm hearing a lot of good things about that. It was pretty funny. I'm glad that that is a series. I just, I kind of want to know what happened to the original spinoff idea for, uh, we are wolves, we apostrophe. I didn't hear about that.
Starting point is 00:41:37 So what was that supposed to be? So you remember the werewolves from what we do in the shadows? Sure. Okay. Did you see the movie? No. Okay. Well, then nevermind my experience with, uh, with what we do in the shadows is
Starting point is 00:41:53 exclusively other people telling me, uh, tons and tons of shit about what we do in the shadows. Gotcha. Okay. So me going, that sounds cool. I'm not going to watch it. You know, Flight of the Concords. I've been told that that exists.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Okay. All right. By you. Right. Okay. So because it's from New Zealand. Yes. Funny show, funny, funny stuff.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Uh, same creators make a vampire movie. Then they make a vampire TV show that continues that. Yeah. No, this is the, this is the same thing we've gone through every single time you talk about what we do in the shadows is a bunch of loser vampire nerds and then the werewolves swear. Yeah. It was very, it was very funny because they're swear wolves or some shit.
Starting point is 00:42:33 Okay. So, um, anyway, first episode of that was pretty funny, pretty good. A lot of the same, uh, or similar beats is like what was funny about the, uh, the movie. And yeah, I hear that like it's going strong three seasons in. Glad to hear that. Uh, I'm, I'm for based on the first episode. I'm, I feel like I'm pretty locked in.
Starting point is 00:42:53 I just, I was, I was in the mood for some easy dumb watching. And, uh, so far it, it, it, it very funny. It very. Hey, I have a stupid question. Is Flight of the Concords also a band? Yes. Okay. That explains the confusion.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Tenacious D. What about Tenacious D? They're a band and they're all, but they're also like a funny, like stage show, goofy duo. Right. And they work on Flight of the Concords? No, but I just mean it's similar to how there's the band for real and then there's the show they put on. Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Or, um, Spinal Tap. Wait, Spinal Tap was a real band. They did really tour. I thought it was a completely fake. It was, but then they did a real tour. Oh, like kiss. Well, kiss is a real band. Are they?
Starting point is 00:43:55 Yes. Are you sure? I'm totally sure. Gene. Have you seen them? Gene Simmons is a real person. He's who sets a real dumb shit. Are you sure?
Starting point is 00:44:06 Are you sure Gene Simmons is a real person? And his son totally drew a bleach comic. It happened for real, real. Yeah, that did happen. Yeah. And, and Paul Stanley and the cat man and the star man and the God of Lightning. So what you're saying is that Brendan Small is to Flight of the Concords as death clock is to Flight of the Concords.
Starting point is 00:44:35 100% metalocalypse as a awesome CD you can listen to. And a funny TV show is exactly like this. Yes. But they have a silly little accent because they're from Kiwi Lane. They sure are. Although this show is not exactly that because it takes place on Staten Island. So they're vampires. Is that a real place or a fictional place?
Starting point is 00:44:59 Staten Island is a fictional place, fortunately. Okay. So we don't have to worry about it. I'm glad we, I'm glad we could really nail that one down. We, we, you know, God forbid it was real. So that was good. And then, yeah, just a couple of, a couple of quick things. Just played some games, one going heavy on SMT five and I got to basically like
Starting point is 00:45:30 the end of, I guess, the second like arc or like area. Like big dungeon open world. Exactly. And then I was like, oh, let's go check out that, that DLC stuff. So yeah, I went and I grabbed the, the DLC pack and. I just kind of quickly looked at like the different things I saw in this, like, okay, there's a series of boss fights and then there's the, the full like nocturne thing and I just, I just grabbed the whole thing and then started it up
Starting point is 00:46:05 and went in to try and see like where the new stuff would appear. And fortunately, it was very easy to locate, you know, where all the new content was. That door shows up standing in front of the first safe. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like, I was like, okay, like, what's, I booted the game. I load back into my save and there's giant pillars of light going into the sky and it's like, I guess that's where the new content is then.
Starting point is 00:46:34 And then also, I wasn't really, I guess I wasn't, I just wasn't paying attention, but I noticed I was like, oh, it must be my lucky fucking day. Holy shit. Look at these Magatamas and Niggatamas floating around. Yeah, the Mita, the Mita, let me go get my glory and my XP. And it's like, yeah, no, that's part of the pack too. And that's a thing you can turn on. Oh, you bought the Cheetel Sea?
Starting point is 00:47:04 It was a part, like I just got everything. And then it was like, oh, no, that's not what I wanted at all. Because I'm like, and I took a second. I'm like, wait, what? Why? And then it's like, oh, it's an option. And then you fucking, yeah, it's basically a like as much resources you want to negate the difficulty, but then it's kind of like, why not? Just put the easy difficulty on at that point.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Because you want to show everyone how big your gamertick is by beating it on hard mode. Because no one can see the while still putting it on when you when you're putting the video up of you beating it on the hardest difficulty. Yeah, OK. So anyway, that was I just I'm like, OK, well, fucking turn that shit off because like, no, because whenever I get one, it'd be like, oh, fuck, yeah, let's get this glory and let's do it. So thankfully, thankfully, that is an option that that can be turned off.
Starting point is 00:48:09 But I was very confused initially by what was happening. But I guess that's what I get for just grabbing all of it and not really thinking too hard about it. The the the stuff with the fiends is. Wow, that whole video game session was a bunch of uncritical consumption for you, wasn't it kind of was because on every level. Because I honestly, I just kind of I remember you like, you know, you guys are like, you know, yo, this stuff is the DLC is really good.
Starting point is 00:48:41 You should get it. And I was just like, OK. And then I was like, I know that I, you know, not knowing Nocturne, I'm not going to recognize just about anything. So I just grabbed that. And then I wasn't sure if like the other boss fights are also related or not. Or if they're specific to five. And it seems like they're specific to five.
Starting point is 00:49:02 It seems like the fiend stuff is just anyway. I saw people talking about fighting Demi fiend. And apparently he's so over tuned that the only videos online of people beating him are on like the easiest difficulty. I think the game literally says like fight him on New Game Plus. I think so, right? So anyway, so yeah. But I just like I'm like, whatever, they say the DLC is good.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Get it all and then load it up and throw it in there. And yeah. And then I just, you know, went around and gotten some of that. And like, yeah, I can definitely see now there's a line between the pillars that you go fight the fiends in and then the shit like Cleopatra's just hanging out by this bus and let's fight her. Oh God, she's level 75. You're not ready, you know, so.
Starting point is 00:49:55 OK, bye, Cleo. Yeah, so just more stuff to put on the back burner. But the the the fiends, though, pretty cool, you know, I guess they're I can I can guess the context of what's going on. But I've I've beaten I think the first three or so. Those are some dope. And I was wondering, too, like, I'm like, yeah, where the hell is Hellbiker? And, you know, like those cool demons.
Starting point is 00:50:27 He's deep in there. It's like, oh, well, you know, there he is. You have to you have to unlock him. And that's why he wasn't a part of the the normal fusions. That that stuff is dope. And those are big glory rewards for beating them. Oh, yeah. So that makes sense. Yeah. So you beat them.
Starting point is 00:50:48 You get a fuck ton of glory. And then it's like the scraping tools I was kind of putting together. I'm like, do I want this or that or whatever? It's like, OK, now I can finally start kidding out my Nabohino to the way I want him to feel. You mean that you're naho being a wait? Nah, nah, I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:51:09 I know I'll never get it right. It's like Zendaya or Zedanya. I'll never get it right. It's naho, naho, you know, Nabo Bino. No, naho, naho, Bino, right? Nabo. Nabo Bino. Nabo. Nabo, Bobob, Bino, the boba knobs. This is a gobble.
Starting point is 00:51:34 My Nabonob. I kid it out, my Nabonob, and now he's doing cool stuff. Anyway. Yeah, no. You know, it's so weird, because we have dealt with so much Japanese language fucking traces and words over our career and our media enjoyment over the decades. And for whatever reason, this particular word trips me up like almost nothing else. It's just, it's the company, it's bees.
Starting point is 00:52:04 B is just an awkward letter in a lot of cases, you know, and it's not like the cool sounding letters or the S's and the Z's, you know, and then the B, B's just. You'd have to be some kind of fucking loser idiot to have a B in your name. Yeah. Or a J. I don't have a J. Safe. Safe on J.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Wait, do you have a J? I certainly don't. OK. But like, you know, H, B, and J are awkward weirdo letters for sounds and S and Z are cool. This has been established by hip hop forever now, you know. So anyway, yeah, game goes hard, game goes fucking good. And I really like how they don't like they there's no mincing like words about the creation myth and like throwing it on its head.
Starting point is 00:53:11 They just straight up like it's not even like wait till like you're near the end of the game to start hearing about our crazy Bible theory or whatever. We're just throwing it at you and telling you straight up what happened and like what the real version of all of this creation myth was, according to, you know, this world. And like, yeah, it's absolutely just tossing it at you faster than you can hold on to it. Super fun. And that being said, some of the again, the concept for the areas and the designs has a hard time keeping up with the limitations of the switch.
Starting point is 00:53:47 And I guess I encountered the worst one. So you go to an area towards the end of the second zone that is a complete color palette change. So it goes into a like sort of cool foresty area and that's nice. And you get a moment where you're looking around for a save point and you find the first one and then you're playing. And I literally could not find the second save because I ran past it like five times because the blue of the fog of the area and the save blue glow are fucking
Starting point is 00:54:34 camouflaged inside each other. Excellent. And it's like the save points in SMT five are made to grab your attention from super far away like an item in Dark Souls. They're made to be these giant blue pillars of light. But the draw distance and the struggle of the switch and the atmospheric perspective and the fog and all the effects of the blue in that area made it so that you couldn't fucking find it, you know, I think one of the one of the
Starting point is 00:55:05 things that is genuinely the most frustrating about the switch in general as a platform is that developers pick a handheld resolution and whatnot. And then they pick the TV resolution and you get into situations with this game with Age of Calamity, with, you know, some of the other ones where you're like, wow, this game runs like shit, but only when you play it on your television. I never pulled it off and did it handheld. So apparently it performs much better in handheld because they drop the resolution. How does that make any sense?
Starting point is 00:55:43 Like I get you just said it, but like you would because it's on the TV, they're going to kick it up to 900 or 1080, but on the handheld, they'll do the same exact thing at 720. Yeah. So, I mean, just based on the, obviously, the advertisements that plugging it in gives you a better experience. You'd think it would be the other way around. Breath of the Wild runs better in handheld mode. Crazy. That's a good example.
Starting point is 00:56:07 Crazy. Anyway, it's like, how about you just give me the option to run it at the shitty looking res the fucking handheld mode has on my TV. But the thing with this game that like keeps surprising me is how like they're pushing it regardless in a very like, like from soft or pseudo-esque way where they're like, no, we don't care that it's chugging. Do more, make it fight more, right? Because like that, that, you know, so like, yeah, some people, you know, didn't have the same experience.
Starting point is 00:56:44 Yeah, we're all different, like, but like, you know, that was once that's a that's one save that was just like weirdly camouflaged in. But then you enter an area where a giant like battle with many, many units attacking each other is happening. And you're watching it in the cutscene and I'm just like, there's the game can't. There's no way once gameplay starts, you can handle this. Like, why are you pretending that you can? You have you played Age of Calamity?
Starting point is 00:57:21 No, no. Okay, so Age of Calamity, when you're playing it on the on the dock, right? I loaded it up and burst out laughing because it loads you in the Hyrule field with a bunch of fighting going on in the distance. And like it does that thing where it loads in at like three frames where it goes to load in and then it stabilizes at like 15. And then then it's like, go play. There's a big battle and it's it's it's it's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:58:00 So yeah. And in co-op, it's just it's it just splits it so into like as far down as like six or seven. So imagine like you walk into this area and you get like this crazy fucking tons of shit going on, the battles popping off and everywhere you look, it's it's supposed to be nuts. And you know, the skies are just fucking blotted out. And then the gameplay resumes and it is basically like when you're looking
Starting point is 00:58:32 up at the old one in Demon Souls and a bunch of stale floating birds are just kind of like just grazing across the sky. You're like, what? Like, wait, what? You know, and it's so much thinner. And I'm like, there's like five or six little dots just statically floating across the sky. And you're like, why did you think to show off what you wanted this to be?
Starting point is 00:58:58 And then just switch over to this, you know, it's genuinely baffling when. So when you have like, let's say Persona 5 came to the switch, right? You could understand that maybe the framerate didn't hold up as well because that's a PS4 game, right? Mm hmm. Or what have you? It's it's super baffling to me when you have games that are completely exclusive to a platform also just completely run like total garbage.
Starting point is 00:59:28 It tells a story of the developers, develop a process and their ambition and then being kneecapped by the hardware and the dev kits. And I bet you there's a vertical slice that's incredible. And then they realized over the course of optimization that, uh-oh, we can't go this hard, you know? I mean, like, like, like they're doing the they're doing the, you know, the baseline vertical stuff for SMT five. And they're like, well, the tech guys say they can clean this area up
Starting point is 01:00:04 and get the framerate running about five, 10 higher. And then development continues and it continues and continues. And then the tech guys go, yeah, nope, can't do it. This is what you got. This is how it's going to run. It's not. No, we we increased performance by about four percent. That took us six months. This is what you're going to get now.
Starting point is 01:00:27 Brutal, brutal. But the but the but they don't compromise the the the art design or the the the the vision of like their concept too late, you know, all the shit already it's already made. It kind of reminds me of when like a TV show like it doesn't have the budget for a war battle scene, but it's it sets one up by having a bunch of people marching. I think I think my favorite version of that ever, ever is when I I had read the first book of Game of Thrones
Starting point is 01:01:00 and I was watching season one of Game of Thrones and they're going to the battle and Tyrion's got his armor on and I'm like, oh, man, this is going to have that scene where he head butts and kills a horse. Oh, sick. And then like the he he shows up and then it fades out. And he's like, what happened? You blacked out during the fight, it's over. And I'm like, give me a fuck.
Starting point is 01:01:22 No, he gets knocked out if someone marching by him. They hit him in the head and he fucking falls. All right. But like he wakes up. It's like, what happened? The battle's over. I missed it. Go to hell. Yeah. No, that's supposed to have like a World War One spike helmet
Starting point is 01:01:39 and a tall guy and his horse was supposed to talk shit. And then he head butts the horse to death and then the horse falls on the guy. So the coolest Tyrion moment I know of. It's cut it. Small comeuppance. You know, I'm well aware of the realities of game development and that obviously, obviously, performance optimization can only come in at the last second
Starting point is 01:02:07 once everything's already there. Yeah. Right. But I feel like maybe the people who are working on that end of, you know, clean code or whatever. Should be able to see ahead in time and try and avoid building up too much programming debt.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Or if anybody doesn't know what the term programming debt is, it's very simple. It's, hey, this level needs to work. You can either do it right now and do a bunch of inefficient bullshit that'll make it turn on, or you can take the time to make a clean actual written piece of code that will work properly and probably not cause any problems for anybody down the line.
Starting point is 01:03:02 And if you need to just constantly spaghetti your shit, technical debt, technical debt, you get to the end of the process and somebody goes, hey, how do we fix this? And 10 guys go, I don't know. Yeah, it'll take like a year. The stuff that looks like, you know, hey, intern, use the same assets we already have to make a brand new area.
Starting point is 01:03:26 Go. I have a non game version from a friend of mine. Who works in a like Silicon Valley technical sector in which he was the guy sounding the alarm bell going, we got to go back and fix this shit. We're building on sandcastles here, guys. We have to go back and fix this until it came the day where they made a new build and put it into the hardware
Starting point is 01:03:55 and the hardware went no. And refused to boot entirely. And management is like, why won't it turn on? And the answer came back. It's like, there are so many compounding bugs that we have fixed the symptoms of, but not the root causes that the hardware we are trying to produce and build the software for no longer works at all.
Starting point is 01:04:22 It will take us up to a year to fix this stuff. And there's no we can't just fix the symptom because we don't know what's causing it. Hitch.jpeg, just you just that guy can now grab all those emails and just a simple bump. Going back as far as the warnings have been coming out, you know, like, hey, tried to tell you didn't want to. OK, here we are.
Starting point is 01:04:47 So you're I mean, when we're talking about like shows that just like don't have the budget for it. And you mentioned Game of Thrones, but the Game of Thrones went that way because they learned how to do it from Rome. Which came before them, which was, you know, you're telling the story of fucking Caesar, you're going to have a couple of battles you'd think depicted and they're like, no, we don't. We don't have that kind of money and fuck you.
Starting point is 01:05:17 And they would just they wouldn't have a little like Tyrion getting knocked out like device for you to avoid the battle. They just showed the armies marching and then they faded into the sky and then faded back down to crows picking at the dead. Oh, cool. And you're like, like, who would want who would want to see a battle? The most deflating fucking way to just be like, yeah, sorry, guys. We don't have it. We just don't have it.
Starting point is 01:05:48 You know, and that was already one of the most expensive. It was HBO's most expensive show prior to Game of Thrones starting, mind you. It's it's interesting because there's a reason why there's still the meme of like, can doom run on this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do run on my calculator. Can doom run on my home pregnancy test?
Starting point is 01:06:05 Yeah. And the reason for that is because John Karmak is like a complete nightmare prodigy and doom is optimized to the point of absurdity. It's probably as well optimized as anything's ever going to get. So it's just as SMT five goes on, it's getting laughable because the performance issues are getting more and more noticeable, but the the ambition of the game is getting higher, you know, it's it's wild.
Starting point is 01:06:39 When sweet, you know, we complain about performance issues, but we'll be real. There's some genres that it doesn't matter. SMT five is a turn based JRPG. And the performance is so bad that it mad. It's like it's like outside of a visual novel. I don't think there's much genres that are safer from performance complaints than the JRPG.
Starting point is 01:07:07 And it's so bad that it's like, God damn it. And so you have it on a regular basis, doing all this shit we're talking about. Right. So then you go fight one of the map bosses, which are these like areas that are infected and like there's a big thing you run into and kill it. And then it clears out the the muck. Oh, the abscesses abscesses exactly. And the moment you enter its sphere of influence, the sky turns red, the screen goes, you know, all dark and crimsony.
Starting point is 01:07:37 And then it starts spawning like 10 times the amount of map enemies in all tons and tons and they'll and they start running at you faster than normal. So it's a perfect example of like on paper, you've created the perfect scenario to take a machine that's already chugging. And you just like you're like, multiply how many things it has to show you, make them move faster and rush you down. And you just watch the frame rate shit. It just dumps ass in those moments bad because dodging those enemies
Starting point is 01:08:13 to get to just fighting the yes boss is totally vital. Yes, you have because they they're going to keep coming at you. But the game, the fucking console can't handle the fact that the game is asking it to like it's I know you've been holding all this weight, but Atlas, we're going to put another planet on top of you for the next five minutes. You know, it's it's crazy that this is the design. So God bless, you know, having having a great time, nonetheless. Anyway, SMT five, good shit.
Starting point is 01:08:51 And then just a couple of quick looks we took over and get into fighting games. I don't know if if you ever I know you've heard of, but I don't know if you ever really thought about you ever thought about cyberbots, full metal madness? When's the last time you thought about cyberbots? OK, yeah, when's the last time you thought about Jin from Marvel vs. Capcom one with the with the big Mecca that helps him fight? No, all right. Well, well, do you remember that guy? And then like yet exploding clothes six years ago.
Starting point is 01:09:32 When whenever we did the video on Marvel infinite. OK. And one of us said, I wish Jin was here from Marvel to is the last time I thought about Jin. Whatever, man. Yeah. Well, it's cool because he's like that. That's that's that's a character that shows up that is like, here's the perfect example of how Capcom's amazing roster can just reach in
Starting point is 01:10:01 to a game you didn't play. Can just reach in to a game you didn't play and pull out a dude you didn't know about and make you go, oh, fuck, he's badass. I want more of him. Yeah. Marvel vs. Capcom one was the big like introduction of, yeah, Jin, the guy whose clothing explodes and comes back onto his body and he rubs himself with the towel and shit. And then he does the blo dia punch and blo dia Vulcan.
Starting point is 01:10:27 And he's got like a mech that just is in the background, ostensibly watching the battle and an occasionally jumping in to help him out. So I'm like, let's go back to the source on that and play the game that came from. And I kind of I put to I figured out why that game was always so weird because I remember the first time I played it. I was like, this is like a robot fighting game. But like it feels so different from everything else. Capcom was doing at the time.
Starting point is 01:10:56 And why is that? And it's because it's a spin off of a beat them up that they made called Armored Warriors, which is a three player game that allows you and two other people to combine and fucking form up like Voltron and do a combined robot fighting beat them up thing. Really cool individual power up, boom, boom, punch, punch, kick, kick. And so they basically just kind of went and made a fighting game based on that already existing system they had in place, you know.
Starting point is 01:11:25 So we played that for a bit and it was it was fun. It had some some limitations. But that was also the game that introduced not cyber Akuma, but zero Akuma. The Akuma cyber Akuma, the Akuma robot, you know, the giant Mac version of him was in that game. And and then you're looking at some of the designs that like Nishimura was doing at the time.
Starting point is 01:11:53 And there's like dudes that are just one hundred percent JoJo references. There's there's like Jin's dad, who is literally a Kamen Rider. Like right. And you're just like, obviously, yeah. And I'm just like, I miss the era of like when Capcom's artists could just doodle in their sketchbooks and someone would come along and be like, hey, you want to make this a game? How much money you want?
Starting point is 01:12:20 Grab some of the boys over there. Grab the team and let's just make a fucking game. And they would just, unfortunately, will a video games cost dollars now? They sure do. Um, but like it was it was nuts. Back in those days when like some sketch doodles would just turn into a thing and they would take a chance on it and like admittedly, you know,
Starting point is 01:12:42 there was a very different industry from it is now. But it led to this like moment of like looking at it. And it was like, OK, the release date on this thing said 1995. And I was like, holy fucking shit, what was Capcom doing? How much were they doing in 94, 95 and 96? Like it feels like a lot. Everything was happening. It feels like they mean, well, it's it's it's just the reality of it, right?
Starting point is 01:13:08 You back in the day, you could pay a couple guys, you know, a year's salary and they could bang out this thing with all these cool designs and all this this rad shit. And you take a risk on it. Whereas now you have to pay, you know, a couple artists, a few 3D modelers, you know, the the QA people for months and months and months and you end up with fucking Luke. I like Luke, so what a what a what a fucking whatever.
Starting point is 01:13:37 Wild ass, cool design. I'm sure one of those cool artists had him just doodling in their sketchbook like, I hope I can make a character as cool as no, you know what I think. You know, oh, man, you know, I think Luke is I feel like it. I'm just just totally a guess, but the new producer that like the guys that are that are introducing the characters now in the in the latest season, I feel like it's his aesthetic, especially in the latest introduction, where he's like got a shaved head
Starting point is 01:14:09 and he looks kind of like he looks kind of like a, you know, a bit of a street guy. He looks like he might be a little more edge to put it a certain way. And he's got, yeah, I mean, and then you see the Luke concept art where he had a shaved head and you're and I'm like, oh, I see similar energy here, you know, so I'm wondering if Luke's design is coming from the new the new team in charge of Street Fighter. Yeah, I'm sure the new producer came in and said Street Fighter has always
Starting point is 01:14:41 delved in the like various regional representations and like there's a little cartoony and a little exaggerated. So let's just make the most grounded, boring piece of shit we can to really to really distance ourselves from that heritage and really show, hey, we're here and we're new and we're going to show off just how boring we can make this character. You're telling me he started off with a shaved head, the shit like the fuck like a seventh gen fucking protagonist showing up with his boxing gloves, his shaved head and his I'm Commander Shepherd.
Starting point is 01:15:15 Not my favorite deals, not the shepherd on the Citadel, not the shepherd shaved head. The like the punk, the the specifically the Japanese punk kind of shaved head where you can see the the growth a little bit more. But oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. But it was definitely how wild it was definitely not as good as the final that they they they got going. Hey, look, this guy could be the end of a Yakuza side quest character. Wow. Absolutely. Could be. Excellent.
Starting point is 01:15:47 For sure. Love it. So I'll tell you one thing as with Luke is I will definitely not only do I like it, but I'll take it over Shun A any day. I'll take it over the the the the Kof energy we got with the the fucking the pant leg and shit. But where was I going with that? Oh, yeah, no, before all of that, it was the era of just Capcom green lighting. I disagree. That's cool. It was it was the era of Capcom green lighting a fuck ton of projects.
Starting point is 01:16:25 And I feel as if like they. Oh, yeah, they do anything back then. And and fucking and I'm like, how many teams did they have? Because now it's resident evil team and or teams. Monster Hunter, they're there and then miscellaneous other, including Street Fighter. There are at least two. There might be three resident evil teams and they're huge. OK. The Monster Hunter team is one team. Is it? Yeah. OK.
Starting point is 01:16:57 DMC is a team now or was it sooner? The it's sooner gang. Yeah. Yeah. I guess we're going to call whatever they're up to. That's true. The devil may cry. You know, what what could they be up to? But like but like back in the the days of like, you know, like again, these 94, 95, 96 specifically. And I just I was like, let's go fucking digging for a bit, because I also wanted to get some lore behind Cyberbots as well.
Starting point is 01:17:21 Because I'm like, who are these bad asses? Some of these characters are so cool and I want to know more about them, including this guy that his name Santana has long hair, looks dope. And when you see his full character, man, that's that's really Santana. Wow, they just think of his shit all his name is Santana. He has long hair. OK. And his pose is him pointing down at the ground, practically going, yes, I am. You know, all right.
Starting point is 01:17:45 That's fine. But you're like, fuck it. It's cool. We'll take it. Um, so like, yeah, I went to the Capcom wiki and just like, I'm like, let's let's take a look at what they were doing and how much how many teams they could have possibly had developing. By the way, here's a little picture of Cyberbots Santana. I think I think the most defining aspect of Capcom in that period was they had so much shit going on that they ended up making final fight
Starting point is 01:18:21 like by accident. Yeah. Without intending to they did the final fight is a a straight up game that is a 100 percent mistake that got all the way to final product. Go make that street fighting game again. Yes, street fighting and then from prototype to finished with characters fighting on the streets. And they're like, no, we met that other one, you know, street fighter and they're like, oh, yeah, OK, fuck it.
Starting point is 01:18:52 And I guess and the thing is, too, is the era of arcade machines also meant like you never know what's going to hit. So let's just, you know, throw shit out there, see what sticks to the wall. But like 94 was when they had like AVP, which is a really good beat them up. Both Saturday night, Saturday Night Slam Masters and Ring of Destruction, the sequel like same year and Darkstalkers and Children of the Atom in the span of 12 months, not to mention Mega Man X and X2 games come in there. Are they in that era? I feel like they are. Which?
Starting point is 01:19:33 The Shadows of Mistara and Tower of Doom. So that's the next year, right? OK. Oh, yeah, one full year. So then you get into a fucking Oh, no, wait, no, wait, was it night? Was it the night? No, I think it was 96. Sorry. Yeah. OK. No, 95. Cyberbots comes out. Night Warriors, Final Fight 3, Alpha Street Fighter 2, the movie, the game.
Starting point is 01:20:00 Oh, good. Excellent. Marvel superheroes and the power battle and then X3 and then Mega Man 7. And you're just like just fucking throwing it all out there, right? Like each of these things happening in the span of 12 months. I think like this, this is obviously something that's happened industry wide. And I feel like there is no greater poster child for this this phenomenon than Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy is the chart of how willing is the publisher willing to bankroll a new one of these and what does it have to do
Starting point is 01:20:40 and what does it have to perform? Yeah, because you go from Final Fantasy games every 15 months to every 18 months to every two years up until like 2005. And then all of a sudden, five years, right, right, seven years. It's the that is the tale of the industry. You can follow it for sure. Because like, yeah, and then because you go into 96, then you get shadow over Mistara and then you get RE1 and then you get Red Earth and then you get Star Gladiator and then you get Street Fighter EX, you know, and then Marvel
Starting point is 01:21:18 superheroes and X and X men versus Street Fighter, right? Yeah, it's almost like they put out like eight to 10 games over two year period because one of them will be a hit. But like the and the idea of like all it's not just like the sequels, but it's also like the brand new tech because Red Earth getting introduced a year later means CPS three, which means Street Fighter three. Yeah, like was, you know what I mean? Like they were working on that shit 12 months later, as well as playing around
Starting point is 01:21:47 with 3D, getting into the EX game, getting into Star Gladiator and so on. Unbelievable, ridiculous time with development and these turnarounds. So on the one hand, you look and you take a game like and you take the 14 months that Kotor two had and for the type of game and the size of game they were asked to make and you go like, that's fucking insane. But then you also kind of come back to all these like this era of Capcom and just like, I what kind, what did it look like in the studio? You know, I wish there was like a documentary or just footage probably hectic.
Starting point is 01:22:24 Insane, insane. And these are all really good games, too. Um, reminds me, it reminds me of my favorite story in what it was and what it used to be like getting a game green light in the PlayStation one era. Compared to now, compared to now, you need your GDD, you need your, your full documentation, you need your, your prep, you need your, your plans for your monetization, you need all this shit, right? My favorite story ever is that Sony says we are looking for people to head
Starting point is 01:23:01 up a completely new project. We want it, we're just throwing it out there and this is in like 95 or 96. What is your pitch for the game that you want to make? And it was like company-wide on the Japanese branch. It was like anybody who worked in game devs could come up and, and, and apply for it. And the winner, and I forget their name, apologies, but they, they're, they've been developing for decades now, but I don't really play their games, uh, was the person whose entire pitch was, I want to drive my car on my television.
Starting point is 01:23:37 And then went, okay, here's the money. What do you want to call it? And he says Gran Turismo and that's how Gran Turismo and that's it. It's a single line pitch. I want to drive my car on my television and then went, okay, fuck it, go for it. Fent, unbelievable. Um, yeah, yeah, uh, it's, it's an era that, you know, it'll never really happen again, but these were small to mid-sized games coming out, you know, that, uh, I
Starting point is 01:24:12 miss, uh, well, now it's an indie. And now Gran Turismo is so big. I don't know when the last one came out or is coming out when I don't know they take like 10 years to make now. Yeah, I feel like that was the era of like Nintendo hire this man, except like the person who's saying that is like the higher upset Nintendo to the guy who walks in and goes, yeah, I don't know. What if we made the zapper again, but you put it on your shoulder like a bazooka
Starting point is 01:24:48 this time, yeah, Nintendo had a variation of that, which is like we have like maybe a hundred to 200 employees that are between 20 and 25 who are going to fucking quit if all they have to look forward to for their entire career is to make assets for Zelda games. Do you guys want to make a shooter octopuses? Yeah. Okay, whatever. Fuck it.
Starting point is 01:25:10 You do whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, just wild era of Capcom. So we played that this week and took a look at cyberbots full metal madness. Fun game, fun game. Don't it's not a game.
Starting point is 01:25:25 I would say I want it to come back. I do want to see the characters brought back in any way, shape or form, including Capcom versus Capcom as a hypothetical. But yeah, that was great. I, man, I bet if I could get a hold of somebody at current Capcom and be like, dude, just do Capcom versus Capcom, they're going to just look at you dead in the eye and go like the reason why people buy that is because this is Marvel on it. We've done the research.
Starting point is 01:25:56 If it doesn't say Marvel on it, it would not. Which is more depressing, that answer or the answer of we did internally three times and canceled it? Oh, oh, yeah, that answer. Wow, what a fantasy that answer would be that that that that would be really depressing. That one would be way worse. I mean, shit, you can go take a look at the footage of Capcom fighting all stars before fighting jam.
Starting point is 01:26:29 You know, and then evolution, which is yeah, Alex kept this code on the came out. Oh, God, normal unhyper strider. That's weird. That's genuinely really bizarre. Well, it's like, what if we wanted to put strides, you know, Zeku's and like, what if we just wanted to put strider into the into the world? And, you know, like, you got to I got to admit that the fact that they're like, hey, guys, we're not going to give Final Fight a new game because we don't think
Starting point is 01:26:59 any of you will buy it, but it will live on. Aggressively in the Street Fighter universe part of street. Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, I'll take that. I'm down with that, you know, you know, talking about all these characters. It just makes me think that, like, I'm really excited for the next Street Fighter character. He's going to be named Joey. Yeah. And he's just going to be six foot tall, shaved head, white guy from Long Island. From from and Joey, yeah, he'll be wearing like a north face.
Starting point is 01:27:30 Yeah, he'll be wearing like a north face jacket and that's pretty much it. And he's going to be Luke's rival and there's he's going to be like, I don't like you, Luke. And he's like, I can't believe you took my Gabagool, Joey, and it'll be, it'll be a pink jacket, too. No, that's too interesting. And then, you know, everyone would be like, we see what you did there. He's he's Long Island Joey.
Starting point is 01:27:56 I like, OK, I before we move off of this, I do. There is one thing I actually want to say about Luke that is not like a shit post. I hate Luke's design a lot, but obviously, and in he, you said that he's like the future of what SF six is going to be about. He's the new protagonist. Right. I genuinely think that if he is the guy that looks like that as the staple normal normie, I guess that's fine. But if if Luke ends up being like the the the the the the canvas for
Starting point is 01:28:32 what SF six is painted on in terms of visual design and like you have a cast of eight to twelve normal humans, that that will be a fucking disaster. Yeah, I don't know. Well, we'll just have to see what direction they go in. I mean, if the last season is not an indicator of what we're getting, if it's really just on him, then who the fuck knows more? Like, honestly, all of that stuff, aesthetically, I am less concerned about as as much as I want to know what design and like, I guess, release
Starting point is 01:29:10 and like plans do you have to make Street Fighter huge? You know, like, would you consider a free to play like just route that, you know, and that could get a lot of people on board that were like, eh, I'm interested. But I don't know, really, you know, already have the free to play structure for Street Fighter existing right now with the amount of costumes that they sell and the cost of those costumes. Literally, all they have to do is just hit the switch, the base game,
Starting point is 01:29:45 not cost any money. That's literally the only change they would have to make. And I guess fight money would change as well, right? Like, because you earn as you plan to buy costumes and cosmetics. So yeah, hit the switch, make the game free, sell the cosmetic, you know. But like, that's what I'm way more interested in that part of it. I really every single time a costume comes out. Chun-Li gets another costume one to one, one to one.
Starting point is 01:30:13 I mean, hell, there's a lead character that that is just the case as well. I mean, at that point, Ari, that's it. You know, like, like at that point, you just, you release a costume for everybody, but Chun-Li specifically gets a dress up mode. And it's only for her. You can customize her clothing and everyone else you leave alone. They're stuck in there with, with what you get, you know. That'd be incredible.
Starting point is 01:30:38 I want my Chunners to have the police uniform, but to have the, uh, the long down here from her Street Fighter 2 ending. Mm-hmm. Um, so then, uh, yeah. Anyway, Capcom, that was, that was free. Have fun. Do you like Capcom? Is, is the, the, the name of this podcast segment.
Starting point is 01:31:04 Well, he likes Capcom. Hey, Cyberbots is cool. Jin's cool. Those days are gone. Here comes Luke. I don't mind Luke either. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll investigate cause he's out. So we'll check that out, uh, a little later.
Starting point is 01:31:22 You know what? I will say one thing in the defense of Luke, but not in the defense of the developers, um, I saw the Luke trailer and again, you have a situation where the default costume is not the best costume. Like him wearing the hoodie is like a hundred times better. I don't know why that's not his default. So the other thing that's, that's happening in the game too is everyone has a track suit outfit, which is like, look, if you just want to dress him down in
Starting point is 01:31:54 some sportswear, you can just go to the track suit outfit too. And that's a universal thing that every single character has. Um, and I'm like, you know, I, I kind of dig it. I like the track suit, uh, for a lot of characters when, when you're just like, yeah, fuck some of these costumes. I don't like them. You can just, you can always go that route. Um, anyways, uh, last little thing.
Starting point is 01:32:20 I just wanted to point out and shout out, uh, shout out to, uh, Jetset Radio Festival took a look at this inside of VR chat. There is a recreation of Jetset Radio. Oh yeah. You mentioned this. Um, so, uh, we basically booted it up and I loaded in my woolly Vtuber avatar and skated around in the world of Jetset Radio. And then we played sounds of Tokyo to future to mellows new album, which is
Starting point is 01:32:44 fucking fire and just had a blast appreciating the world of Jetset. Uh, and as, as much love as there is to, you know, the original soundtrack and good old DJ skank funk, I feel like, uh, yeah, no, if you haven't heard the new two mellow album, it's, it's unbelievable. And, uh, that was just a fun celebration of those games. And of course, if you're going to enjoy and celebrate Jetset Radio and chat, it's the lack of those, the creator of that world in VR chat, which you can go and play with like, you know, however many people you can fit
Starting point is 01:33:19 inside of VR chat room, you can all skate and grind in the, uh, Shibuya terminal at the same time. It's incredible. And it just leaves you with this feeling of like, why can't we? All right, Sega. Okay. Hey, when's bomb rush cyber funk coming out soon? Thanks team reptile.
Starting point is 01:33:36 You know, and like you're like, well, that's Jetset Radio future. Please look forward to a completely new franchise by a completely different team who said, fuck it, we'll do it ourselves. The love for Jetset Radio has always been fascinating to me because like the style and the music is what everybody talks about and remembers. But I've watched footage of it. It, it's definitely more than the sum of its parts. It seems.
Starting point is 01:34:06 Oh yeah. No, the, the, the skating is like, the skating is jank. Like it does not seem like a game I actually want to play. And until they added the camera control in the, when they ported it, uh, the original, it was rough with some of the like positioning of your cameras and shit like that. It doesn't feel as smooth as like a Tony Hawk game would that comes later on.
Starting point is 01:34:27 Um, no, no, if the gameplay of Jetset Radio is pretty jank a lot of the time. Um, but it's, it's just so charming and, and, and unique at the time, especially that you just love it, you know, but more than the sum of its parts is totally accurate. I 100% concur with that. I feel like, um, I'd like, if it had, I feel like it would almost have been better served by just like an album with a couple of music videos. Well, no, it would have been better served with a third game somewhere
Starting point is 01:35:02 down the line to like improve all of that, you know, because like the things that like we get used to now that we're used to now, like just proper camera control and you know, like a responsive feeling, like ability to rotate and like get the camera locked onto certain directions would do wonders for this style of game. And, uh, as, as it feels good in Tony Hawk, but like at the time they were just going with old school set angles for some cases. Some in some screens, they need you to be fixed angle, like a old RE games, you
Starting point is 01:35:39 know, tank control style things. Um, and, and that leads to like the controls getting really weird and tricky. So a modern game would have just fixed a lot of it, you know, but anyway, bomb rush cyberfunk, please look forward in the meantime, as I sip my water from my jet set radio, fucking sippy. And no worries. Anyways, um, check that out. Yeah, that's going to be dropping on Willy versus over on YouTube real soon on
Starting point is 01:36:09 the channel and, uh, we're going to continue, of course, Del Capone and Dark Souls this week, uh, not to mention on Saturday, we're going to take a look at Luke since he's now out. Um, I played darkest dungeon on the channel as well. We got a spot. We got those coming out, uh, just a show off of like some of the new systems and two and like what my team, um, configuration is. So, uh, quick, quick look at darkest dungeon two coming to Willy versus as well.
Starting point is 01:36:40 And, uh, there's a fun short game I want to do, but I don't know if next week is the time for it. Uh, but, um, I will announce that I'm, I know I'm an idiot, never mind. Scratch that. I talked about checking out Luke and that would make sense next Saturday, except it doesn't because that's my birthday. And we're going to, so I'm going to do a birthday stream. Oh, you, you don't want to have Luke.
Starting point is 01:37:06 I'm not going to do Luke on my birthday. No, no, I won't. What I am going to do on my birthday stream is I'm going to play, uh, the hot new release, uh, get into kiting games from Remerai, who just put out a kite. Wholesome adventure. And, um, it, it seems just like, like I was basically, I was like, holy fuck. And, uh, and, uh, punch bomb was like, you should play that on your birthday. And I was like, yeah, let's do that.
Starting point is 01:37:38 So next Saturday, actually birthday stream, and we're going to play the kite game and some other stuff. We're going to have some fun. I don't know. I'll figure it out. We'll do whatever. Come hang out. Yeah, that's me.
Starting point is 01:37:52 All right. Now it's my turn to talk about stuff. Okay. Hey, I'm Pat, everyone. So to everyone who's been complaining that I haven't been talking about this, now that I've beaten it, I'm going to talk about it. I played unmetal. Have you seen this ever, Willie?
Starting point is 01:38:08 Even a single screenshot. I can't say I have. Let's go ahead and look that up while I'm talking because it will help the visual. Unmetal is a Metal Gear one tribute game. Yeah. Okay. That's that's with that. Yeah, I see it with a bunch of voice acting and a humorous tone.
Starting point is 01:38:28 Like it's very jokey. It's takes place as your main character, Jesse Fox is being interrogated and telling the story of how he ended up piloting a helicopter across state lines. Essentially, at least the same sprites as Metal Gear Solid. No, no, Metal Gear one. It is absolute. Okay. It is completely unique.
Starting point is 01:38:48 Um, it it's a lot of fun. It plays really well. It is absolutely like a full size Metal Gear adventure type thing with, uh, you know, just the progression and the way you get items and stuff like that. It plays really well. It's really funny. Like it's genuinely really funny and it's kind of fantastic. Like I can't it's like to anybody that has any love in their heart for those
Starting point is 01:39:17 old types of games. It's really great. Available now for your PS Vita. Yep. It was originally a Vita game way back in the day. Jesus Christ. And then it has taken many journeys to come to, you know, real platforms. Okay.
Starting point is 01:39:35 And it's great. It's just great. And it, and it's a, it seems, yeah, the screenshots look goofy. He's getting slapped and he's fighting someone called grenade guy. Yeah. Yeah, it's a really good case. Like genuine pistachio, I don't have anything more detailed to say other than it's really funny and it's really great.
Starting point is 01:39:52 Okay. Uh, all right. Moving on. Uh, I was invited by one Mia bite to play some back for blood, uh, PVP, which we had, you know, we'd all dabbled in the co-op of it, but hadn't done the PVP. So me, Mia, shy, Clems, plague, blaze page. Is that seven? Who am I forgetting?
Starting point is 01:40:21 And Roz all hopped in and played, uh, a couple of rounds of back for blood multiplayer, 4v4, the, the PVP. Yeah, the 4v4, um, start of that was about a half hour period of struggling to figure out how to actually get into the same lobby, like genuine confusion. The obvious comparison is left for dead or left for dead too, in which you just invite your friends to the lobby and it sets up eight people in the lobby. What you have to do, uh, in back for blood is you have to make two teams of four. Then you have to make a private server and send the private server code to the
Starting point is 01:41:04 other team so they can match make with the private server code and then it will just kick you into an active game. So you can't play by like publicly giving a thing to people and then letting them just, no, it's, it's, it's a process. Jesus. And on top of that, it means that, uh, and also at the end of, uh, your three rounds, uh, it kicks you back out to the four person lobby and you have to do the, the private server thing again.
Starting point is 01:41:32 Oh my God. Um, and on top of that, it sucks. Huh. Uh, they couldn't, they could not figure out a way to balance their much longer levels with that, the old style left for dead kind of multiplayer. So they give you big map levels that, uh, are just like a horde mode, but players control four of the enemy zombies and it sucks. Oh, you're not for humans versus for humans.
Starting point is 01:42:02 It, no, it's for, it's for humans versus for infected, but it's on like a survival map instead of like you going through a campaign level while they try and get you. That would be too big though, wouldn't it? What's that? Wouldn't that be too big? With the what? The, the horde level or the campaign level?
Starting point is 01:42:21 Yeah, the campaign one would be way too big. The, the campaign levels in, uh, back for blood are huge compared to left for dead. Um, and it sucks. It fucking sucks ass. And so we're sitting there and we're just like, uh, and we're about to do the party shit to load up. And despite plague of my internet is bad gripes being part of the party, the suggestion comes out and goes, do you guys just want to download left for dead?
Starting point is 01:42:56 And so we downloaded left for dead too. And about an hour later, we played like three full campaigns of left for dead twos multiplayer, which is still just as good as the day came out and had a blast. Damn. And was, I was just left with like, man, I liked back for blood when it came out. I had some fun with the campaign, but going back to left for dead is like back for blood is an invalidated game. It is totally the left for dead is to is literally better and more content rich
Starting point is 01:43:35 and more fun to play and better set up and runs on anything and looks better visually. Then back for blood. It is invalid. Like the game doesn't need to exist. The spiritual successor can't be fucking inferior, man. Damn, it's, it's not that it's like a terrible game, right back for blood. When I played it, I had some fun when I streamed it. It's not that it's a terrible game is that it is about one or two points out of
Starting point is 01:44:08 10 worse than the old game in every department. There is nothing about back for blood that I find better than left for dead to in any way. Even the fucking graphics, like there's no point to it and it's made by the same people. But is it that they had less budget because it's them self-publishing this time? So, no, huh, then why? And how many years apart are those games many left for that was a fucking while ago. Ten years. Weird.
Starting point is 01:44:51 Yeah, it's just like, yeah, it's a bummer. It's a, it's a total bummer. Sucks for them. Like, and also left for dead to cost like 90 cents now. Like, I don't know anyone who doesn't own left for dead to. In fact, I'm pretty sure despite you not being a shooter guy, if you looked on your steam library, you would have left for dead to I had left for dead one on 360. I might have to on a console.
Starting point is 01:45:26 I don't think I bought it on PC. OK, they gave it away for free a couple of times. OK, thanks. So like what? Yeah, well, because I don't know the story in person to the person who says that the graphics part is a straight up lie unless they used mods. No, when I say that the graphics are better in the older game compared to the new game, let me be clear, I find the old game to be much more visually appealing and clearer to
Starting point is 01:45:52 read in a gameplay sense than the new game. The new game does in fact have more polygons and textures are higher quality, but left for dead to looks better, is clearer to play, has better art. It's cleaner. It runs better. The areas are more interesting. It is a more appealing visual for my eyes. So, um, is there a story behind like Turtle Rock, like leaving,
Starting point is 01:46:24 start not working with Valve and working with WB or to my to my knowledge, there is no official one. So instead, you can just go on. They probably got frustrated that Valve doesn't want to make video games anymore. Which is the story you hear out of pretty much everybody who stops working for Valve. Okay. Cause, you know, it's just, yeah, like, I guess I'm just like, what, what would be the reason? Wait, are you serious?
Starting point is 01:46:54 I got somebody in the saying that they made a new Steam account during the course of this conversation and TF2 and L left for dead to are in your library by default. Oh, well, then I guess I do have Uno. If that, if that's the truth, then man, back for blood is double pointless. Like, come on. So moving off from that, uh, what a bummer. I also, uh, I also played more Halo of note. I only want to make that, um, the events that they're having that they touted,
Starting point is 01:47:34 Hey, we're going to have it, uh, you know, a free event to get cool armor is, I think Forbes put out an article that says Halo Infinite might be running the worst live event of all time right now. And what's that? It's called Fracture Tenri. It's basically, uh, it's a game mode called Fiesta, which is just team death match, but weapons are randomized, which is a fun mode. That's a fun mode in pretty much every first person shooter, right? The issue of which is that they, they showed off the trailer where they go, look, you can
Starting point is 01:48:12 earn this samurai armor and then they show off all these cool armor things. And then, well, the way you get that is not by playing in the event. The way you get that is by doing event challenges alongside the existing terrible event challenge system that they're using for the rest of the battle pass. So nobody's playing to win and the, oh, oh, get ready. There's way more. The event challenges, there's going to be six weeks in which this event runs from now until like the end of March.
Starting point is 01:48:44 You can, there's only seven challenges per week and there's 30 levels on the event pass. So you have to play and max out these events for five of those six weeks over the next six months in order to get to the end of it. And also, yes, it's true. You can get the armor. However, every color for that armor is only obtainable in the shop for like eight to $10 and all the stuff they show in the event trailer is actually just stuff you would have to buy off the store.
Starting point is 01:49:23 And so the stuff that you would get out of the actual event is garbage. And the way that they've, they've made the timing on it, stupid little details like one shoulder pad is earned over one month apart from the same shoulder pad on the other arm. Like it's, it's the worst, but that's not even the end of it. That's not even the end of it because the way that the Halo Infinite challenges work is you have four that are active and then you have a bunch in reserve. And when you do your, one of your actives, you get the reward and then it puts one of your reserve ones in.
Starting point is 01:50:05 People were starting up the, the fracture event immediately doing the fracture challenge and getting, oh, I got level one in the, in the event pass, right? And then a generic challenge loads in and you go, wait, do I have to do four or five of this weekly's generic challenges before it lets me attempt the event challenge? Cause you have to clear them out. Yes. Oh my. Yes.
Starting point is 01:50:31 You have to clear them out. So people are running in the situation where they do one of the event things and then they have remaining generic ones, like get 10 kills with this weapon, get 15, get 10, get three wins in this game mode that you can't pick and so on and so forth. And they go, I, it's going to take me like days to clear out these ones, let alone get to the event ones. Yeah. So I feel like Halo is going to be a case study for game design and fucking up incentives
Starting point is 01:51:06 because I was having a conversation with punch mom about this, about how like it's so interesting how you can make a game and put all the pieces and have everything there and just fuck up something as simple as intrinsic and extrinsic value towards rewards and the motivation to do them that'll break the entire game if more than half of the people playing in multiplayer just refuse to play because they have no choice or because it's not rewarding enough. The other thing is, is a baffling you go back to 343 has a bad habit of promising explicit specific things and interviews like those video documentary kind of things and they're
Starting point is 01:51:48 like their number one gameplay design for the free multiplayer is no FOMO. Yeah, yeah. And everyone's like, you created the one free event, which means that people. So by the way, this week in the States is Thanksgiving and it created a situation in which people were having fucking Thanksgiving dinner with their fucking family going, God damn it, I have to actually consider when I fucking play Halo this week alone so that in fucking March, I can get the final items. What I like, I think like, I'm thinking like, again, like the stuff that you would teach
Starting point is 01:52:38 in classes about what not to do. I feel like the For Honor loot progression system was like top of the list with how trash that was. And wasn't there something about Fallout 76 with like garbage legendary things on Fallout 76 or something like you just get a garbage loot system or something like that of just like why bother playing? What's the incentive to even play? It's fascinating because like it's the thing that I said last week where I was like it
Starting point is 01:53:11 would be a better game if like literally no cosmetics of any kind whatsoever and you're forced in red versus blue. That got way worse this week. Like everyone was complaining and like, well, at least the event will be free and the event is like extra worse and is like the amount of the amount of games that you're playing. I had a guy drop the oddball at 98 and just leave it on the ground to try and go get some more kills because the final challenge to get the final thing this week for this event is you have to get five killing sprees, which are five kills without dying.
Starting point is 01:53:56 What a great reason to not play the objective. Um, didn't cheaters also start cheating as well? Yes, of course they are. Oh, man, like there's always the incentive to cheat because people don't like to lose. But here there's another incentive to cheat, which is I want to get that thing. The weekly ultimate visual reward is only available if you do every week's all the challenges so people are likely coming in with aimbots with fucking weapons they don't like to go like got to get 15 Ravager kills.
Starting point is 01:54:41 This is incredible. It's like because and it's funny because like once upon a time challenges are for framed as like extra things to do while enjoying the game, you know, and now it's it just seems to be the primary thing and everyone's fucking hates it and doesn't want to play by default. And then you load into a match and you find that there is one type of player that is absolutely always playing to win and there's no problem and they're great. And it's the people who already have the flaming shoulders on their Spartan because they paid for 95 level ups at $2 each to just max out the battle pass the first day it came out.
Starting point is 01:55:32 And I'm like, well, that's why yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm seeing here that the Fracture 10 Rai event ends on Tuesday and ends in a couple hours. Hope you got it. And then it's gone till January. Yeah. And if you didn't play this week, you will have to max out every other week. It's ever available to get all the rewards in the free thing, which doesn't include a single color. Not even red or blue red and blue were on the store this week for $10 each. So I think it's safe to say that like, like, we can just go back to the old battle pass systems of not
Starting point is 01:56:23 lasting forever and actually giving you things. Well, the funniest thing is that the fortnight fortnight like prior invented and popularized the battle pass system, it's still the best one by a huge margin. The best part, the best idea that fortnight ever did to their battle pass was that if you finish the battle pass, it gives you enough cash to just buy the next battle pass. Right, right, right. So people who play fortnight like a hobby game, you can keep up pay for the first battle pass once back in the day.
Starting point is 01:57:02 Yeah. Yeah. Um, that's fair. And that's a better implementation. If you're trying to, if the idea is supposed to be no FOMO, let's let it last forever for people that want to play, then yeah, if you play enough, then you can just refresh it, right, as opposed to I got to say one and it gives you nothing. You could solve this in like three things like genuinely one, have every default color
Starting point is 01:57:36 available, have fancy colors for sale, fine, whatever, have every default color available for everything, red, blue, green, orange, etc. Right. Number two, just have all challenges active at the same time. You have to do like 20, 25 of them to clear out your week. But you get shit like win three games of oddball and then you clear it and it goes kill a guy three times with the oddball. Yeah, you mentioned.
Starting point is 01:58:05 And it's like, no, have them all fucking active. Is there a, is there any kind of like duplicate currency for specifically buying a skin that you want besides real money? It's called money. Well, besides real money. Oh, it's halo credits or whatever the fuck it's called. Okay. So there is a spend enough like I didn't duplicate whatever in game currency.
Starting point is 01:58:29 Yeah. All right. And number three, let people choose the game mode they want to play. Well, of course. Yeah. The actual playlist. If I, if I like, so there's a, there's a mode called, I don't know, power, power seed, reach, reach what the, I don't know what the, somebody in the chat, I'll mention the name of the
Starting point is 01:58:45 mode where you have to, you have to power up a generator. I didn't know that mode existed until yesterday. It never popped up in the playlist. Once. And I have 30 stockpile. I have 38 hours in halo infinite and I saw the mode once yesterday. So what determines what's popping up next? A dice.
Starting point is 01:59:18 Oh, okay. Like, like it's, it's, it's fucked. It's, it's super fucked. It's like, it's damaging the game. Yeah. For real. No, this is like, like I said, it sounds like a case study. It's fascinating.
Starting point is 01:59:38 And then you get people that like, they think bitch to each other. Like I had nine oddball games in a row last week and then I look over and I see somebody who goes, I've gotten to play oddball twice in 15 hours. It reminds me. It's random. It reminds me about like, it reminds me kind of of like destiny where at first when destiny came out, all the anticipation and excitement I heard about was based on like lore reasons. Like, oh, what is the traveler?
Starting point is 02:00:14 What is the setting? What's it going to be like? And then when it initially dropped, people were talking about like, oh, special guns and cool supers and that stuff. And then, and then a certain point and all the way through the sequel up till now, it's all complaints about the meta. And that's the entirety of what I hear about destiny is as a whole as a game. And that they they're stealing my shit.
Starting point is 02:00:40 Just nothing about the content and of the actual, you know, or the whatever the game's doing or the or any progression or cool or whatever. It's just all about how unfun and how annoying the meta part of it is. It's interesting because and this is not just for me to do like a puff piece on FF 14. I have talked mad shit about fall fantasy 14, my my live service game of choice, the MMO that I play. But that's always tinged with like next week, I'm going to gush about it for two hours and you're going to sit there and go, aha, aha, and I'm going to be like, it's my favorite
Starting point is 02:01:17 thing. He's leaving the room. Great, whatever. But when the overall tone and discussion of a game that has this kind of long die hard audience, you can you can get a feeling of just how it's built. Destiny is built along some kinds of fear of missing out and exclusivity and all sorts of stuff. So every single goddamn thing I see anyone talking about destiny ever is people bitching
Starting point is 02:01:51 and complaining. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone on any of my social media going, oh man, the new destiny thing is so cool ever, ever, at all, ever. It has been once years of just what the fuck are they doing over there? That's all it's been. And the entirety like, you know what it was? No, I'll take it. I remember it was the DLC of one, the King, something Tyrant King or something taking King
Starting point is 02:02:22 taking King. Yeah, taking King. Yeah. That's the last time I heard about like, oh shit, people are like, wow, really good talking about the content. And do you know what? You know what's specifically good about taking King Willie in this analogy for destiny? Taking King was the last thing they made for Destiny one and they knew it was going to
Starting point is 02:02:39 be the last thing for Destiny one. So taking King was the last thing they ever made for Destiny that was planned the last. They built it so that people would like it over a long period of time. It was not a stepping stone right to the next thing. Right. Okay. Yeah, that that's the last point of content like that I've heard about that people were like, yeah, everything else has just been like the fuck is rise of iron.
Starting point is 02:03:14 I don't even know what that is. Did that come out afterwards? Well, okay, then I'm wrong. Regardless, taking King was the last time I ever saw anyone saying anything nice about it. Yeah, exactly. Like for all my bitching about FF 14, like what's my timeline filled of its people posting pictures of their characters getting excited for and Walker posting memes, fucking doing
Starting point is 02:03:34 the copy pasta about the free trial. Right. When usually when I saw people talk about Halo, it would be like, check out this grenade. Fucking Halo memes, you know, like, like stupid shit that would happen to multiplayer. Now talking about Halo has become bitching about this fucking battle pass, right? Like what what what is the discussion of League of Legends? It's complaining about the player base, right? And it's like, yes, there's obviously things of value in these games, but it really says
Starting point is 02:04:11 a lot about like, what is the total non player? What is the megaphone that's managing to reach you? Yeah. Yeah. Is it is it like miserable complaints? Maybe you're designing your game bad. Is there a single player that people have played with a story? In what?
Starting point is 02:04:39 In Halo. In Halo. No, that's coming out December 8th. Oh, this is the multiplayer first, right? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Which like the way they put this out seems like a mistake because apparently the campaign
Starting point is 02:04:53 is really good and would definitely take the edge off of how angry people are at the multiplayer. Yeah, that's and then and then co-op is not out until May. So this is when you see the math being fucked on your your like microtransaction plans, you have to obviously get a board meeting going and then go what were we planning to do, pump the brakes? How do we hard steer this away from whatever direction it was going in? I think my favorite version of that conversation is the apex legends conversation where they
Starting point is 02:05:35 were actually quite blunt about it, where people were like, your skins are too expensive and they suck because apex skins are like $20 and they said, well, we did sales and it didn't increase. We did like, like, you know, percent off sales and didn't increase people buying the skin. So they're going to say it as they are, except the sales for those $20 skins was to kick them down to like $11 to $15. Right. Right.
Starting point is 02:06:00 So like, yeah, no, it's still it's not you fucking idiot, like, yeah, but I, you know, with these with these rollouts, it's like, how long is it going to take them to fucking steer around the iceberg? You know, it might be months, a while. It will be at least five and a half more months because the first of the first season or whatever they're calling it, like the of the first battle pass, everything is, everything is so locked in that every week people are able to data mine events from two months from now out of the system.
Starting point is 02:06:39 Like it's bordering on automated. Also there's a point where if people can spend money to get to bypass this shit, they spend that money and then they actually fix the system so that it's not garbage for anyone who didn't, then those people are, yeah, gotta do, you know, like, or you don't do refunds and take that backlash. So I want to point out something to you, Willie, because there's a lot of parts of this that are just like absurd, but the one that really got me because there's all the past stuff in the progression crap and all that shit, right?
Starting point is 02:07:16 But then there's their actual store, right? The the just the store is bad. It is a bad store for microtransactions for cosmetics. I'm going to send you the microtransaction that I took as the good example. This is a little sword that you can put on your waist. All right. It is only available for that armor set, which has to be unlocked through the event that I've been complaining about for 20 minutes.
Starting point is 02:07:55 And it costs almost $20 Canadian. The buy comparison, buying Master Chief in Fortnite with a bunch of custom shit and a glider and all that stuff cost me about the same $15 even by the standards of ripoff free to play microtransactions. It's the worst I've ever seen. The little knife. Yeah, yeah, that's fucking buy it. This is this.
Starting point is 02:08:37 I could buy a whole Master Chief in a different game for the cost of that little sword. I mean, I remember when I was playing Master Chief Collection and I saw all the progression unlockable armors and I was like, oh, yeah, there's some cool ones in there. I'd like to customize my my my ODS team in. I tell you what, that comparison is not good for them right now. Because the challenge system they're using right now is just a shittier version of the Master Chief's Halo Reach system in which all those fucking challenges were available at all.
Starting point is 02:09:17 Do stuff, unlock things and then dress up. Yeah, like you can't tell me that you didn't know better because you knew better because you did it. You did it a couple of years ago. This is that but worse on purpose. I I'm foreseeing a when they get back from Thanksgiving, you know, break, they're going to have a meeting internally and then next week or maybe the week after they're going to post we're listening and here's the road map for changes that have no specific dates
Starting point is 02:09:56 on them. And ultimately price point adjustments could fix a whole lot of this. But I get who wants to deal with explaining that to people who've already spent their money. You know, yeah, except there's another problem with that genuinely the they had what they called test flights where they had like beta playtesting sessions. And the last test flight was maybe a month before this came out. And one of the biggest changes was from the last test flight to this, they doubled the
Starting point is 02:10:35 amount of experience you need to level up in the battle pass from 500 to 1000. So even in their own beta, they had it even in their own beta. It was way better. How about that? Like like a month ago. Interesting. Interesting. Someone looked at it and went someone we can do that.
Starting point is 02:10:58 We can do that. Double it. Yeah. Fucking producer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:11:06 Straight up. Straight up. Yeah. So and here here's the bummer, right? I've really been enjoying playing a Halo Infinite. I've been playing so much Halo Infinite that I actually have earned the maximum amount of things I could possibly be here. Wow.
Starting point is 02:11:19 I earned the unique color that is only available to people who did every challenge this week. And it's a nice color. It's the only way to get white on your character without paying $20. And that's the end of that because on fucking Friday, 14's expansion is coming out. And if you think I have fucking time to run Halo challenges while the game I really care about is out, you're all fucking crazy. So I have to, I was going to say that like, I feel like there's a background through line to this story, which is clearly you're enjoying it to some degree by putting this many hours
Starting point is 02:12:02 in talking about how stupid some of this stuff is. But there's a part of this that you're enjoying the Halo because you're playing this much of it. Well, I had a point, I had a point on Saturday where I had one challenge to go before getting the killing spree one. And it was like kill three guys with the oddball, pick up the objective item and smack dudes to death. And it led to me loading into a game because I can't pick my game and leaving if it's not
Starting point is 02:12:33 oddball. And I had to do that like five times, which meant there were five games in which people got bots that lose the match for you in them. And I didn't care because it can, it like people have gone forever against this, like it like gone like long stretches without getting the game mode they need. And when you get a game mode you're looking for and it's at the end of the day, you're not having fun because you're like, well, I have to get this challenge because it's Saturday.
Starting point is 02:13:10 Oh God. Damn it, dude. It sucks. Yeah, it fucking sucks. Yeah. And it's like, but it's not because I guess what I'm getting at is that it's not enough to make you be like, fuck this. Because you're like, fuck this.
Starting point is 02:13:23 I have to get this dumb challenge. I have to get this dumb challenge. I have to get this dumb challenge. I have to get this dumb challenge. Because you're like, fuck this. I have to get this dumb challenge, but not fuck this. I'm not even going to. I'm not like, I would expect a, either I'm not interested it or a, I'll wait till they
Starting point is 02:13:41 fix it. Then I'll come look at it again. Well, it definitely is enough to say, fuck this. I'm never spending any money on this fucking thing ever. Okay. Right. Like. Like, I think one of the things that stood out to me is that if every single thing on
Starting point is 02:13:57 the, on the store right now cost one fifth of what it did, I know tons of people that will have bought all of it. Like color, if the colors were 90 cents to $2 instead of 10, yeah, people would be buying them left and right. Well, I imagine like at a reasonable price, you'd look at the one thing that you'd like or the two or three and just be like, okay, I'll get these and that'll be that. Yeah. And that'd be fair.
Starting point is 02:14:26 Nope. And here's, here's the thing. It's not just the money. It's like, yes, I'm very much enjoying Halo, but because of this, when N walker comes out, I'm going to drop Halo completely. I'm not going to, I'm not going to pick away at it. You know, for funsies, I'm just going to drop it completely because I have this other game that respects my time more.
Starting point is 02:14:48 Speaking of which, this is another thing I did this week and I'm going to move off of it. Everybody take your belts off, put them in your fucking inventory. Go max out on poetics, go finish a wondrous tales and don't turn it in. Finish your job quests before Wednesday night. Well, my friends and I are engaging in the MMO tradition of expansions coming out on Friday. So we got to clean up our fucking inventory.
Starting point is 02:15:17 That makes space of garbage, that mess of trash that you've had just sitting in there, completely full for like 18 months. That's got to go because there needs to be, there's, you're going to be picking up tons of shit. Demi crystals to vendor sell 25 poetics for 500 guilt. That's right. Most reliable option for making some money. Max out your poetics.
Starting point is 02:15:46 You probably max out your revelation. You probably have that already. And last but not least, I played Guardians of the Galaxy. Ah, I hear it's pretty good. So before I continue, the time that I spent with Guardians of the Galaxy, at least on stream, was sponsored by Square Enix, Eidos and the third party company game site in which they paid me some money to play the game on stream in which, shout out to game site for the fastest sponsorship payment I have ever received.
Starting point is 02:16:19 I sent them an invoice and I got it within 20 minutes. Wow. Amazing. Legitimately. Guardians of the Galaxy. It's a lot better than Avengers. Yeah. One of the things that cracked me up was that in the, in the little thing of the talking
Starting point is 02:16:37 points, they're like, make sure to spend about half an hour getting used to the game before you actually stream it. And I loaded it up and figured out what the real reason for that was, which was because when I loaded up the game on the main menu, by the time I was able to get to the audio section, I had heard both about one minute of everybody wants to rule the world by tears for fears. Oh boy. And about, about 15 seconds of the final countdown before I was able to get to the audio section
Starting point is 02:17:09 and do the DMCA mode on. Okay. It is the only game I have ever seen in which when you turn the streaming mode on actually puts a permanent text box at the top of the screen that says streamer mode on at all times in all cut scenes in all gameplay. And the reason for that is, is because streaming that game is a dramatically different experience than playing that game because of all the music use. There was a section in which a monster was chasing the gang and we got into the ship to run and
Starting point is 02:17:54 Peter goes, oh man, this is crazy. Somebody put that, put that, put some music on. And then Drax goes, yeah, put the music on. And then Peter goes, yeah, I love this one to dead silence. Oh, it's dead. They don't replace it. They replace the battle tracks with an in game custom album called the Star Lord album. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:19 But a huge variety of cut scene music and event music is replaced by fucking nothing. Oh man, at least get some fucking, you know, creative commons, open source attribution. No. And like, you know. Aside from that, man, I want to give a shout out to Paul marketing over at Eidos who may in fact actually be the Paul marketing that we are referring to in these jokes. Don't worry about it. I don't know if Paul still works there.
Starting point is 02:18:56 Let's not get too precise. Anyway, but the stage shows the demos that were that showed this game off. Did a really bad job of showing this game off. This game is actually very enjoyable and fun to play. It is basically a slightly more linear mass effect. What I did not expect is that when I started the game up, I would spend about half an hour walking around the ship talking to crew members like it's goddamn mass effect. Okay.
Starting point is 02:19:32 And the not being able to switch to the other party members thing, not that, not that bad. It's fine. Yeah. Okay. No, it's fine. It's once you're actually in it and they they're essentially power ups. It works well. It's well written.
Starting point is 02:19:50 It's funny. There's at least one dialogue prompt that had me like it got me good. Like like burst out like knee slapper. Like you did it. If anyone knows the one that I'm referring to, I'm talking about doing the math. But yeah, it's a really good time. Okay. It's a lot of fun.
Starting point is 02:20:11 It's a pretty good game. And that was just after a two hour period. I'm going to check back in next week. Once I redo that same section from the start with the music on and I bet. I bet it will be a full like two points on the scale up because the fighting has like dynamic music apparently and all the scenes have music selected for this purpose. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 02:20:44 And it's like, wow. I mean, there's just no, why does all be playing it muted? There's no way around like this problem. But I figure like a half point between dead silence and fucking getting struck would be just replacement music. You know, they do replace some of the music. I think I think you would, I think it would be good to do all of it, but it just to make it not that seems infeasible.
Starting point is 02:21:14 Yeah. Probably the new Life is Strange game takes the just cuts literally all music out of the game entirely. Damn. And so you'll have like long form dramatic scenes in complete silence. What if you got the, what if you got all the, all the actors to do shitty acapella covers with kazoos and then play. That'd be pretty good actually.
Starting point is 02:21:38 That probably still gets sued actually because I know covers are also not okay. Yeah. Or DCMA, but. No, it's, it was, it was really enjoyable. I felt, I felt very happy with my time in it. Obviously take this with a grain of salt because this, this opinion, the attention I gave it is at least paid partially, but it was, it's such a weird situation because like I'm being paid to show this game off and I'm like, dude, I am showing off a obviously inferior version
Starting point is 02:22:08 of this. Like a genuinely inferior version is the only one that I can do. That was the only question I had when they sent the email in was, can I turn the DMCA mode on? Because otherwise I'm not touching this. I'm like, absolutely. You can absolutely use the DMCA mode. There's no problem.
Starting point is 02:22:28 And I'm like, man, that must have been the question every single person asked them. Yeah. Just for a game where the music is such an important part of the identity. And also like that, that, after the film, like, yeah, no, the music, like 80s tracks synced up to the, the, the beat and the action and the, the moments is totally part of the Guardians identity. And yeah, like without it just doesn't hit the same way. I'm very much looking forward to playing that on my own time, not on stream.
Starting point is 02:23:02 Yeah. I mean, so before this, I think I saw, there was like a gameplay, like 10 minutes video or something like that. And it seemed like it was pretty solid, looked like it was pretty good. And then I think, yeah, Max took a look and also was enjoying that. Cool. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:23:18 Anything to do better than the Avengers situation. Completely. Well, that game's just bad. So that game's just straight up bad. So, you know, good job. Yeah. Did I do anything else now? The rest of this week is end Walker prep, maxing out poetics, putting my belts away, maxing
Starting point is 02:23:41 out the amount of seals that I have, et cetera, getting to the right spot so that I don't have login problems, et cetera. This week, I'm not streaming shit. The only thing I'm streaming this entire week is on Thursday night, I'm going to be doing a stream in which I go through every single trailer for every patch 14 ever released. And I'm going to be ranking those patches based off of their quality and my personal experience with them. That's going to be Thursday night.
Starting point is 02:24:13 And then Friday at noon, we're going to be starting and Walker until and Walker is over. So I can't provide a day to day schedule for that other than, yeah, going to be streaming a lot of that video game. That's going to be over twitch.tv slash pastures. Okay. So this is where we switch over. Oh, you know what? Hold on.
Starting point is 02:24:44 I do have one last thing for people that are going to be playing Final Fantasy 14 on Friday. The single most important thing that you can do for your personal enjoyment is to go into your chat log settings in your character menu. Turn off the ability to receive private tells, turn off party chat, turn off Alliance chat, turn off say chat, turn off character titles, turn off minion names. Spoilers. Yep. I say people can just people will shout out like literally shout in areas.
Starting point is 02:25:18 Hey, does anyone want to go do this fight? Which is right. There have been times where people have titles that can appear above their heads, which are this dude died spoilers unironically. I think I mentioned it to you before, but there's a title in the game that when it came out was blanks final witness. There are also minion names that are like the true final form of X, right? And don't use party finder.
Starting point is 02:25:55 Turn off every ability for anyone to talk to you. So crazy that it's such a mat. It's such an online experience, but the story is also very linear and spoilable. Therefore, you have to go through the precautions that the game itself. There's only one chat. There's only one in game form of communication that I allow to get through and it's my guild slash free company. That's how most people are going to play it through.
Starting point is 02:26:24 Okay, your friends or people you trust will be able to talk to you. Has there ever been like someone just walking around wearing a helmet? That's a spoiler. There was one for heaven's word where there was a mount that was a big spoiler, but you wouldn't know it until you got there. Okay, okay. Yeah, that's fine. But yeah, no, just don't just just be careful gang.
Starting point is 02:26:53 Don't you don't want to you don't want to fumble at the finish line. Right? That's the worst one. Stormblood was the worst for that because you when everybody got stuck at the very beginning because of the server issue with their instant servers. So you had about 1% of the game's population that managed to get through and we're getting all the way to the end while most of the game's population was stuck at the very beginning. Okay.
Starting point is 02:27:22 So and people could people could go back to where people were stuck and literally like dive bomb them with spoilers. So like walking out of the movie theater while you're in line to go in next. Yeah. God can't believe they killed Thanos at the end of the movie. Wow. Holy. Yeah.
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Starting point is 02:36:09 That's dope, we're raunchy. We say raunchy things and then we have video game takes. Sometimes I talk about my infernal fear of shitting my own pants. Sometimes I talk about fighting games. I would say you talk about fighting games more often than I talk about the fear
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Starting point is 02:36:59 They revealed, and I think we might have touched on, Dragon Ball the Breakers. Yeah! And I saw it, and I was... Dragon Ball by daylight! And I was looking at it, and I was like, Yeah, like... Some of this seems kind of silly.
Starting point is 02:37:19 And like, what the fuck? You're gonna pull a gun out to defeat Cellar? Whatever. And I was looking and I'm like, Okay, this is so weird. What are you going for here, right? And then... I just, I had a thought.
Starting point is 02:37:32 And it was honestly like, I had a bit of a change of heart in a way. And it was this. Like, a Dragon Ball game, where it's asymmetrical, admittedly, you know, dead by daylight, and it's such, have proven the path and established a genre that you can then follow your IP in the steps of.
Starting point is 02:37:52 So it's not completely novel. But I realized that, you know, a game where you're like, what if there was a super strong villain and you had to like get away from them in the Dragon Ball world on foot, is the kind of thing I would muse about randomly in a conversation going like,
Starting point is 02:38:10 what would be an interesting thing that we haven't seen already in Dragon Ball or in whatever franchise that we know where we get the same shit over and over and over again? I mean this unironically and without cynicism, this is probably the most interesting Dragon Ball game to ever be revealed. So I honestly, I had to pump the brakes on my own brain
Starting point is 02:38:36 and take, because I was like, this is literally what I would go, why don't they try something like that, you know? And I have also talked about like, I'd like more acknowledgement of old, original, classic Dragon Ball. Oolong there is definitely that, as well as Young Bulma.
Starting point is 02:38:52 But yeah, I just, I had to like just go, stop the cynical take for a second, hold on. Experimenting and trying shit out with a franchise that we know they can just make another Xenoverse out of is what I would like to see. Why could they? You know? And you know, even to like,
Starting point is 02:39:14 even when it's as poorly executed as that JoJo Battle Royale game, where it's like, man, you could have done so many more interesting things with the idea of stand battles than what you chose to go for here. But you picked a genre that was getting popular and you went, let's just throw our shit into that.
Starting point is 02:39:33 This is ostensibly doing the same thing, but like, watching the breakdown on the mechanics and how it's going down, it's more interesting than anything else. They've been putting out. And one of the things I was wondering was like, instead of a gun, why don't you just like call in a hero that's a main character that can fight?
Starting point is 02:39:56 And it's like, yeah, so you can't do that, but you can sort of become them using a limited power up. So for just a second, you can do a thing that makes you buff up for a bit and fight for a minute. And if you level it all the way to the maximum, you completely become a ghost or a mimic of that character. And you fight as Goku or as Vegeta or whatever.
Starting point is 02:40:16 And the level four version is that you become a Goku for like one minute. Yeah. So that's my thing is I'm like, you know, this is an interesting idea. And I actually want to say like more of this type of thing. We'll see how it plays. Let's see if it's good.
Starting point is 02:40:34 I don't know like what the standard it would have to reach is in terms of balance compared to say dead by daylight. Yeah. But that shouldn't be too hard. But the breakdown of how it works was it looked like there's a lot of ways to escape individually or by potentially working together. And it seems as if the villain is going to have the ability
Starting point is 02:41:02 to kind of just destroy parts of the entire map, which I don't think is a thing in like those asymmetrical things or in Friday the 13th and stuff. Yeah. The overall scale of this game is much larger than its contemporaries. It's a much wider area because you're dealing with characters that have just crazy movement.
Starting point is 02:41:23 Yeah. So it feels like what they're doing is putting an asymmetrical dead by daylight type game on a map that's Battle Royale-esque. And instead of a shrinking wall, it's the character, the boss destroying zones so that you can no longer stand out. You're totally right. That's absolutely what that is. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:41:43 And they can't constantly destroy areas, but they reduce the map until it's eventually down to like, you know, the smallest place if you can survive it. And then by that point, you should have gotten together the time traveling ships to escape or whatever you have to do to get off the planet. Or somebody has the ability to gokoo it up for a minute or what have you.
Starting point is 02:42:03 Yeah. So just on a design level, I'm like, yeah, this is interesting. And then if what we see in terms of the characters, items and gameplay continues to like homage and reference shit that's, you know, from the Red Ribbon Army era, Red Ribbon Army era, or, you know, again, the Oolong, the young Bulma, the little capsule corpse that you see all in the pre-Dragon Ball Z stuff.
Starting point is 02:42:31 I'm like, yeah, let's see this. I hope this is legitimately fun and good. I hope that the other villains that they implement are like interestingly implemented into this level up system because sell is like sell is the obviously the poster chop because it makes perfect sense. Grab you eat you power up, right? He starts weak.
Starting point is 02:42:53 He gets stronger. He's got a lot of forms to go through. Frieza going to final Frieza form because he got a kill on a rando doesn't quite make as much sense. But I'm sure, you know, they're still going to be able to implement him and the boo and the various types and such. So I want to see how that works as well. And then, of course, we get some of the villains that are not
Starting point is 02:43:17 just the main three or like some of the losers. I mean, how cool or interesting would it be if one of them was just like an Uzaru? Yeah, why not? You're just a rampaging fucking monkey and you do all the use all the attacks and you blow up the map and you do all the things, you know. But like you have room for that to be something viable in this
Starting point is 02:43:44 game, you know, what if the final character you can unlock on the on the Raider side? I think they're called is Goku and Piccolo on their driving test on their cars with the hat backwards. They're just they're just like driving around going. Oh, no. While they crash into the player characters with panicked on their faces.
Starting point is 02:44:08 Yeah. You could take Nappa or Raditz and make them viable threats. Yeah, totally. 100 percent. Raditz can be a real villain with actual like, you know, time and you can be a threat because you're fighting against fucking normal people, you know. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:44:26 It is. I'm a bit disappointed that we have Oolong and Bulma and six other fucking whoever's. Yeah. But my hope fingers crossed is that you're going to have like a bunch of NPCs and then occasional recognizable NPCs, you know. It could have been all background characters from, you know,
Starting point is 02:44:51 the actual war. But, you know, maybe there's a there's a like a customization aspect or something like that, you know, but totally, totally like little fucking normal humans doing their best to escape seems fun. Seems like a cool idea. Yeah. That's really cool.
Starting point is 02:45:08 So, so yeah, that's it. I'm I'm I'm one 80ing my initial like, you know, dubiousness on this because it's the exact kind of creative risk I'd like to see taken, especially with a brand where we've already done every other version of every other kind of game. And also. DBZ is like like games are the most creatively bankrupt licensed game.
Starting point is 02:45:36 Exactly. And I think that if this delivers exactly what we see from the breakdown of the mechanics, this will hold the record for being the Dragon Ball game with the least amount of Goku in it. Yes. Of all time. Like as an example, the last game that was the most interesting Dragon Ball game was the one where they took the normal Dragon
Starting point is 02:46:04 Ball game and said, what if we had the camera on the side and it was good? That was Dragon Ball fighters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I like an actual game where you are allowed to see Goku for one minute tops and then he's gone forever is an exciting
Starting point is 02:46:33 prospect, you know, seeing as we just got Kakarot. So that's cool. That's cool. Check out the mechanics breakdown to see some of the some of the ways that they they're planning to do this. But sure, let's have fun with the world of Dragon Ball. What a crazy idea. Hey, before we move on, hey, Willie, I'd like to apologize, but
Starting point is 02:47:04 I do have to take a quick break and take care of some pooch duties. I will be right back. Dog, you are gross. He is globbing and he's sliming. I'll tell you why. It's because I have this treat in my hand. Big slivers.
Starting point is 02:47:19 Yeah. So all my clothes just look like a man came to me and just came all over me because he slimes me by the dog. Dog is melting. The salivation for treat is like a five second to slime process. Yeah. Holy fuck. Hey, come here.
Starting point is 02:47:44 Come here. He ran away. He got his treat and he's done. Where'd that go? Yeah. I was going to say. It's not on me. It's on the.
Starting point is 02:47:59 Okay. So by the way, you ever wonder why we got this this blanket on the couch at all times now? Yeah. No, I don't wonder. We got a slime dog. Yeah. Skeet protection.
Starting point is 02:48:11 Yeah. Also that also that time that he was just decided to skeet. You want to hear something really awful? The dogs got no balls, but I'll be waking up at noon or whatever and I look over and the dog sitting next to me on the couch looking cute. And I'll hear him like grunting like a weirdo and I look over and he's masturbating with no balls. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:48:33 He's sitting straight up like this and using his paw to just slap his dick and going and foaming at the mouth. I guess you still feel something. Yeah, clearly. Yeah, it's called for bulldogs. Bulldogs do it a lot for some reason. They call playing the banjo. But the banjo is their penis.
Starting point is 02:48:59 Yeah. Poor T Rex's. The fuck did they do, you know? All right. Lizards, right? Yeah. Pards or whatever. All right.
Starting point is 02:49:16 Well, uh, where to go? Okay. Well, how about this? Uh, and this is perfect for talking to, uh, to geef over here. Hey, have you heard that there's rumors that a chronocross remake could be in development? I heard those rumors in their fucking bullshit. So, um, this started not too long ago and, uh, you know,
Starting point is 02:49:52 shout outs to anybody out there who, uh, appreciates a little bit of chronocross, but it started with, um, oh, you're blurred. Don't worry about it. You're back. It started with, um, a singer who, uh, claims to have worked on the soundtrack of a PlayStation game remake some long, some time ago on an Irish radio station. Uh, Ava McMahon did an interview and she said that, uh, yeah,
Starting point is 02:50:28 she recently had to do, you know, um, she was specially called in to do some, some work on a remake. Didn't specify which obviously. And, um, she said she'd be able to talk more about it at Christmas. So people started going and were like, oh, I wonder what that could be. But it's gonna be a collaboration for some mobile game. Then, um, there was a, what was the second thing?
Starting point is 02:50:58 So she recorded that. And then the second thing was, uh, there was a G-Force, um, leak that the G-Force now, that G-Force now leaks, um, included a couple of titles that were unannounced. She recorded Legacy of Thieves collection, a bunch of PlayStation PC port announcements were in there, and Chrono Cross was on that list. So, brr, there's a second thing that happens there. Third thing that happens is, um, it's less set in stone, but forever
Starting point is 02:51:40 entertainment, the people who made the Panzer Dragoon remake announced, and the House of Dead remake, uh, announced that they were working with Squeenix on a bunch of, uh, remakes of various Squeenix titles. So they might be literally the studio involved in this process. And then, uh, as of, uh, today, there is also now a mobile game, um, called Another Eden, which people have kind of datamined and seen that a collaboration event is happening with Chrono Cross.
Starting point is 02:52:16 I knew it! So, it's always some mobile bullshit. But the fact that the other people involved in this mentioned a remake implies more that the, the, the, this crossover is promotion for the actual game that's probably gonna drop, um, in about a month or so, or announcement that'll drop in about a month or so. It seems like there's a remake happening and that, that mobile game accidentally kind of revealed that they're doing a cross-promotional thing
Starting point is 02:52:49 is, uh, the vibes I'm getting. I don't know, I genuinely feel like it's a more, a bunch of clueless people working on that collaboration and thinking it's a remake. Could be, could be, um, but the fact that there's a studio name that's attached as well, potentially, like, if it was just one thing, like, oh, the, the, the actor or the, the musician kind of spoiled it, that's one type of thing. But there's like four different vectors coming in here.
Starting point is 02:53:23 And there's a potential studio that's supposedly involved to come in and do a bunch of remakes. And if that's what they're, like, literally announcing, um, and they've done remakes in the past, like, we have a place and a, and, and a studio that would not make the mistake between thinking a collaboration is an actual full game. You know? So, start.
Starting point is 02:53:46 Chrono cross is weird to me because, like, a lot of people adore that game, but I was always under the impression that there was always some legal shenanigans that prevented them from touching the chrono name in any significant form. And maybe remaking cross would be a way around that, but it still seems like a wild pull, especially considering they're full seam ahead on the FF7 remake stuff. Yeah, um, it, it's, the chrono cross in and of itself appears to represent a legal, um, fucking tango of tiptoeing and avoiding getting, you know,
Starting point is 02:54:22 wires crossed with any, any lawsuits involving Chrono Trigger. But who, after time, re-releases still occur, which means that there's still a, like, whatever, whatever is up with Chrono Trigger, there is still some kind of relationship in place to allow a, a re-release of the same thing for, in theory, the same split or whatever, you know, is happening. Um, if this is a remake, it could either signify that, uh, it's a fully integrated, uh, part of the chrono franchise,
Starting point is 02:55:04 or it could work to distance itself even further. I don't know. Or it could just keep it the exact same. You think it's possible at all that it's like a re-release on, like, all platforms and that by remake it's just gonna be, like, cleaned up and had, like, you know, some of the edges moved off? Absolutely. I think it's a steam port with some pretty, um,
Starting point is 02:55:23 upright textures and, um, some new tracks and some new, you know, fancy features here and there. But, um, not quite a remaster, not quite a remake, just, you know, a pretty port. I mean, have, if it's, if it's a simple port, then maybe they can actually go back and work with CyberConnect on it, because that's their speciality is making things look nice. If they don't touch the guts,
Starting point is 02:55:50 I don't know if they're looking to spend CyberConnect kind of money, though, right? I mean, CyberConnect was originally doing FF7 remake before that didn't work out. Um, but yeah, uh, this, this studio, uh, with House of the Dead and with, uh, Panzer, you know, seems like they're, they're, I get, you know, like, blue point, it's like, you're, you're, our thing is remakes, this is what we do.
Starting point is 02:56:14 We come along and we take something that you need ported and, uh, we can remake or remaster. Re, I don't see Chrono Cross having so much love that it can get a complete from scratch rebuild, you know, it's just, it's not FF7. It's not. And honestly, nothing is FF7 in that, in that context. That's not a fair comparison.
Starting point is 02:56:39 And as much as I give, I give Chrono Cross its leeway, I don't think it deserves that kind of budget. Like it, well, you know, for all the, for all the, the mess I'm going to talk about Chrono Cross, uh, on Twitter in about an hour and a half. Um, the one thing that I, that, that jumps into my mind, like very strongly in terms of like making a full scale top-down remake is that one of that game's big selling
Starting point is 02:57:06 points was that it had like a Suicoden level of playable characters. Insane amounts. Party, which is like, you're not going to get like high-end, next-gen models of Poshu and Glenn. May, actually, maybe Glenn, but not Poshu. The dog. You remember the pink and white dog?
Starting point is 02:57:26 Like, that's not going to happen. Yeah. No, you're getting, you're getting kid and surgeon, you know, call it a day. Mm-hmm. Um, interesting though. Interesting. Oh, also, there was another piece of potential evidence
Starting point is 02:57:45 with, uh, Yasunori Mitsuda posting a picture on Twitter, um, with him and, uh, Michael McGlynn, uh, who, Who is that? Uh, I think is also, um, a, uh, the, a composer, as well, that, uh, for music, you know. So it seems like he was someone that worked on it as well and that them being together because he was, um, the person who contracted, uh, that, uh, Ava McMahon.
Starting point is 02:58:22 Mm-hmm. So the fact that, you know, you're seeing, like, the guy who composed Chrono Cross working with the guy, another, take a picture with a guy and then that guy hired this lady who, like, literally said on the radio, she's doing a, it's, it's just, you know, it all parts work with me here. Another game that Mitsuda worked on, which is way better
Starting point is 02:58:44 called Xenogears could be the one that they're cleaning up and working on because that game needs it. What? Okay. All, all taste aside and all personal preferences aside. Xenogears needs it way more than CC does. Xenogears is like blatantly unfinished. It absolutely does.
Starting point is 02:59:02 Um, Chrono Cross has like a real ending at least. God damn it. They did say that the, um, this is the multiple PlayStation remakes, right? So who knows? Uh... Okay. I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw all this shit in the trash.
Starting point is 02:59:21 Uh, if you're gonna touch any of those games from that era, can we undo some of the third birthday stink and get a good Parasite Eve game again? Oh man. That one's the, like, I'm just gonna fight me. No one? How about this? How about this?
Starting point is 02:59:36 They re-release just Xenogears disc two. Like they, like they clean it. They burn it onto the actual black disc. Like just disc two. Yeah. Yeah. That's how you put it out there. Go to your original, grab that shit, pop this in there.
Starting point is 03:00:00 Call it a day. Um, so yeah, a little bit, a little bit of that going on. Have you seen the opening to Stone Ocean? I have. It's great. Girls doing crime. Girls doing jail times. Crimes into jail times, my friend.
Starting point is 03:00:21 Uh, yeah. There's a lot of compact discs in that intro for some reason. What are those, say, all the children who see the, the, the live, the real life save icons on their dad's desks. Yeah. I think my favorite, this is an aside, but I think my favorite was seeing, I don't know what dev it was, but talking about how they had to change the save icon in their game, because their company had used
Starting point is 03:00:52 the floppy disk icon for like a decade, only to have playtesters come in and just go, what the fuck is that? What am I looking at? What is a floppy disk? Why would that mean saving the game? I don't understand. I mean, the version of that I heard was kids seeing a floppy disk and going, hey, it's a real life save icon.
Starting point is 03:01:12 You know? Ah! Oh, you, that's what I was referencing. I was referencing the, the, like that kids literally didn't know what to make of it. Yeah. Um, yo, let's go fucking white snake. So excited.
Starting point is 03:01:29 Uh, intro's incredible, intro, um, song's dope, visual's dope. One step closer to badly animated 3D horses! First, we gotta go through Florida. You can't get to badly animated horses till you go through Florida. Oh man, let's, let's just cross that bridge when we come to it. And, uh, if you are, if you're in the, if you're anticipating and you haven't yet seen, uh, Stone Ocean and you're wondering, does Florida man?
Starting point is 03:02:12 Yes, the answer is Florida man does. Florida man does. Kudos to, like, in part three, they, they're kind of globetrotting, right? And they're going to different places and Ericie's like, ah, I went to, I went to Taiwan or I went to so and so, right? Or we went to the Middle East and had some chai or what have you. Um, and, uh, but, and you know, then in part four, you're in a small town
Starting point is 03:02:44 and small town things and part five is in Italy. And I feel like they didn't really sell the Italy so much in part five. Like it was less of an important thing of how Italian it was compared to the amount of influence Florida has on part six. Fine. Yes. Yes. Okay.
Starting point is 03:03:07 Fine. Cause there's a whole lot of Italy going on in, in, you know, past five. Florida is, is vital to many of the shenanigans that the part six crew in, in, engage in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, something that's also really cool is that, um, the voice of Pucci has
Starting point is 03:03:27 been announced as Seiki Tomokazu and not Dan Castellana. That is, uh, well, I mean, we're in Japan, I would assume. Uh, that joke went right over your head. No, I didn't get it. Um, Homer Simpson's voice actor. Okay. I mean, not Chris Pratt almost would have been the, the contemporary there. No, because Pucci, oh Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 03:03:53 Okay. You know what? You know what? That was, that was a double. That was four. Yeah. That was 40. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:04:02 All right. That was advanced. You set that one up. All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you Tomokazu, which is pretty great because, um, basically, um, if Takahiro Koyasu, who is Dio is one of the most prolific voice actors in anime, like he, if he's the
Starting point is 03:04:21 Nolan North, right? Um, Seiki Tomokazu was like also insanely prolific and they've, they've worked, uh, uh, on a ton of things and I don't know if I recognize that name. So he's Doman Kashu and G Gundam. He's Toji from Ava. He's that Von from Florida. Um, he's just fucking those some hits. He's everybody.
Starting point is 03:04:49 Um, and he's been around again, just like, um, um, uh, uh, you know, like they've, they've been around together for a while. So, uh, and they've, they've played off of each other in all kinds of like funny wild ways and like different shows. Um, so it makes, and Gilgamesh, there you go. Exactly. You know Seiki Tomokazu. He's one of the most popular.
Starting point is 03:05:17 Gilgamesh from that Garugamesh video. Uh, I don't, I think they're thinking of, uh, the fate possibly. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go ahead, but, um, the porno game. Yeah. All over the place. Gilgamesh and fate stay night. Beautiful fucking Joe. Um, he's Sagara Sosuke in full metal panic.
Starting point is 03:05:34 I mean, it's just, it, it goes on forever. Um, so, uh, what better point, what better pick for someone to work along size, what better pick to go alongside, you know, um, Dio's voice actor than, than this. It's, it's, it's fucking perfect. It's so great because of the story. I'll have to take your word for it. I'm not as familiar with this dude. Um, yeah, in terms of, in terms of like how prolific you, you don't, you don't really
Starting point is 03:06:13 go and get any further. He is. Shame you're not going to hear him because you'll be listening to the dub though. Uh, uh, no, but no, but really he's the Troy Baker to, um, Dio's Nolan North. That's, that's basically the deal. If that makes any sense. It does. Uh, okay.
Starting point is 03:06:34 Fuck yeah, JoJo, coming soon. And now everybody, yeah, no. What is that showing up actually? Uh, word on the street is early December. Yeah. That's in two days. Mm-hmm. Coming real soon.
Starting point is 03:06:53 Um, and for any, for anyone who's still going through the list, you can scroll forever. You're going to see your faves. Kanji, like, uh, you know, just, just scroll until you find the character you love. He's done it. Can't wait for JoLin to be announced for multiverses. Oh, you open up that door. No, because then you have to get through the fucking, uh, the shown and jump complications and they don't, they don't play nice.
Starting point is 03:07:30 It's going to, it's going to be a lot less. It's going to be a lot less weird in approximately 16 to 21 episodes from now when other multiverses characters start showing up in part six. We will see how they handle all of that. Um, anyway. So, uh, JoJo looks dope. They announced a port of 13 Sentinels to the switch. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 03:08:01 Please, please, please. Get that on everything, please. Love for the game. And they're adding some new shit. Um. What? Really? Yes.
Starting point is 03:08:11 Very minor. It's not story content. Just, there's now, um, a second, um, mech for every character that they can deploy out into with different abilities. So in destruction mode, in destruction mode, battle outfits. So in destruction mode, you're going to have, uh, alternate battle outfits to be used. Um, so I guess like separate configurations for the, for the, um, or, I don't know if it's just cosmetic or if it's actually gameplay, but the, the, the translation is very rough
Starting point is 03:08:51 on the trailer that says each character gets a new battle outfit in destruction mode and it shows a picture. That might just be a costume. It might be a costume, but the picture it shows is next to the mech. So I'm not sure. But, uh, yeah. Can we get a, can we get a PC version of this so I can gift it to people? So this is what comes next.
Starting point is 03:09:15 And this is what I was about to say is this is great news. I'm happy to see that anything that gets more eyeballs on the game, um, is happening. But holy fuck, a lot of people need this on PC because they're not going to play it on anything else or they don't have anything else. And it's super deserving. PC, well, the PC port would last for a, past a console generation so that you'd be able to go, Hey, you should check out 13 sentinels. Oh, it's an old game.
Starting point is 03:09:39 Kind of do I have what I have? You have a computer? Why don't you be able to? It's on sale. Grab it now. You know, whatever. Yeah. Exactly.
Starting point is 03:09:47 Um, so it just, and it, and it makes it so much easier to recommend to people, you know, or to just be like here, check it out. Yeah. Grab a gift or do whatever the case you need to. The thing about vanilla wear games, it's always so frustrating. They very rarely get ported on more than any, but they never rarely, if ever get ported to anything. And if they do get ported, it's always to another console.
Starting point is 03:10:09 That's a couple of years old. And then after a little bit you go, Oh, fuck. Can I play Dragon's Crown? And like, thankfully for Dragon's Crown, they ported it forward. But they're making it committed to the PSP. You know what I mean? Like, like, do you want to play a forum or a massa? Yeah.
Starting point is 03:10:27 Like break out the Vita or the fucking we. That's it. That's all you got. Yeah. No, vanilla wear doesn't seem to like like PC or they're just like Sony funded to the degree that Sony is not interested in them porting it off, even though they're starting to look at it now. But the way that Sony's handling ports on PC for their big titles is as advertisement
Starting point is 03:10:54 for the sequels, right? Yeah. And God of War dropping on PC right as sequels for both of those games is about to drop on PS5 is the most deliberate shit ever. You know, it's good. Good idea. Smart. Um, so yeah, 13 Sentinels needs needs all the love deserves all the love.
Starting point is 03:11:18 Um, you have a switch and you're interested in 13 Sentinels, even a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny thing that you should go and get it. And you know what? It's a 2D game with some sprites. It'll probably run fine except for missile rain. But they're so basic. It's such, you know, they're not my PS5 could barely handle some of that stuff. Maybe missile raid will cause problems.
Starting point is 03:11:50 Maybe. I would like to think that these untextured little drops and sphere pops can be handled. You know, look Mario 128, it can handle it. How far past that are we now? I don't know. But you know what? It's the kind of cool. It's the slowdown that you like though.
Starting point is 03:12:08 It'd be cool. Yeah. You want it to kind of chug right there and only there like when Mega Man X when you're hitting that ramp and Armored Armoredillo. Yeah. So yeah, 13 Sentinels, check that out. The people behind DC Universe are working on a Marvel MMO? Wow.
Starting point is 03:12:29 So, and this gets, this is kind of like when the Matrix Online got announced. You go like, okay, so convert this franchise into an MMO setting that makes sense. With the Matrix, it works perfectly because the whole story about people waking up. You would think, huh? You would think, right? Just besides execution of the game, just the setting for why there'd be a ton of people with a bunch of powers in that. Hey man, you want a really good, feel good moment about the Matrix Online?
Starting point is 03:13:01 Lawrence Fishburne's not in the goddamn new movie because he got killed in the in-canon MMO event. Yep. Morpheus died. What a great use of that license. But look at the guy that looks like young Morpheus. Did you see him? I saw him. He looks like young Morpheus.
Starting point is 03:13:20 Fifo-5-4-Fius. Oh yeah, in case anyone didn't know that, Morpheus canonically in Matrix Lord dies in the MMO. Yeah. And that's, you have to live with it. The weirdo slime man just crawls out of event and shoots him like five times and then he's dead. It's kind of like Palpatine in Fortnite. It's hard canon that must be acknowledged from here on out forever. Man, you know that?
Starting point is 03:13:48 That was terrible day one and that's only going to age like rotten milk every day in the future. When people go, hey, I want to get into Star Wars and then they go to that movie and they're like, what, when? And then somebody has to go, well, you know that game that shut down a couple years ago? Yeah, he came in years ago. I'm waiting for the game like 30 years from now where they go back and reference the time that Palpatine sent a broadcast signal to some weird system, to some specific system. And they're like, where was it? They're like, we don't know, but it was received and displayed somewhere and maybe they have to locate it on a star chart. You know, but then you can go and look at the lore and go Fortnite lives right here in the undiscovered space.
Starting point is 03:14:48 I can't believe, I can't believe there were people who actually thought that that third Star Wars movie was going to be anything other than garbage after the most important thing to ever happen in Star Wars was a live service ad in some video game. Like, like, I can't think of a movie that had less artistic integrity and I know, yeah, it's big budget Hollywood garbage, but like, holy shit. The moment you get to the end of Last Jedi and they don't do the thing, just play the sound of a deflating balloon and have it last for the entirety of the third movie until the credits roll. Just for straight for hours until and then that's it. That's what you need. All right. So how does Marvel create an MMO where lots of people have superpowers and they and it makes sense in the world? Well, you go ahead and grab the people who made city heroes and you just make city heroes too.
Starting point is 03:16:11 So that's that's my first thought is you just go that route. The other thought is like you try to make it so that like you're still in a populated city with lots of normal people or that there's a sense of you still being one out of X number of people, you know. And then the other thing is if you give people the ability to, you know, I guess dress up as all their favorites and mix and match costume pieces and stuff. Like, do you just play the game and thousands of people cosplay as Wolverine? Or is it about being original? That was City of Heroes' biggest problem in that in order to fucking not get stomped into the dirt by DC and Marvel, they had to be like daily like stop making fucking Batman. And you can get around character can't be Batman. The character creator will let you make your Batman's but you just have to fucking police it and be like nope.
Starting point is 03:17:26 Uh-uh no drizzed. So what do you do? We're just the fucking Scourge of the Earth with that shit. How many Zs? Yeah. The X's. So as Marvel, this is the official game now, so you can, you know, absolutely encourage everyone to get their own Spider-Man mask. But, like, do you go for an angle that says make your own superhero and here's a bunch of unique parts?
Starting point is 03:17:59 Or do you just play dress up like a Super Skrull with a bunch of limbs belonging to different characters? No, you have classes and the classes will correlate to different superpowers. And the way that they're going to get around people playing as Mr. Fantastic instead of Stretchy Man is that Mr. Fantastic will be your job trainer. Sure. So you'll be the apprentice ship to Wolverine or Mr. Fantastic or Iron Man. So wall crawler will just be a class then? That one's tough. Because people...
Starting point is 03:18:37 Come on! For real though, like being what do you call it? How do I put it? Wanting to be the character is not even the biggest problem for a superhero MMO. I don't know how they fix it in DC Universe Online, but the number one design issue is the movement. Because superheroes can fly by default all the time. And that's what you want to do? It's fun.
Starting point is 03:19:07 Swinging and super jumping around the level like Hulk is the point. Like what is the DC Universe Online solution? I don't know. I don't know anything about DC Universe. Out there. I'm now going to just somehow get the answer. Does everyone just fly and do all their powers everywhere? Good question. There are movement power sets in DC Universe Online. Okay.
Starting point is 03:19:32 If you flash it. Three types of movement. Can you... Super speed, flight, or acrobatics? Okay. There you go. Teleporting? Smart. That's a smart solution.
Starting point is 03:19:45 So what if you just like... So if you get like shadow cat powers, do you just no-clip? You wouldn't... Like it's one of the things that when you're having like a superhero MMO, one of the biggest problems is that the only way to make like a series of like classes or anything approaching that is that you have to boil down a... You have to boil down a fiction that is functionally infinite in what people can do to like six different powers. Yes. Being speed, super straight.
Starting point is 03:20:18 Exactly. Boil them down to like, are you the techno man with a robot suit? Are you the strong flyy man with the laser beams? Are you the right... This is my most... This is the most curious I'll be about this game is how do you pair an entire world of powers down and do it justice, you know? While delivering what people want. I can fucking answer that.
Starting point is 03:20:42 So if you're going to be a superman type, you know, or in this case... I can answer your question. Sure. You have the tank rolls be fire, ice, earth, rage and atomic. You have the crowd control gang be gadgets, mental, light, quantum and munitions. And you have the healers be sorcery, nature, electricity, celestial and water. So that's how they're doing it? You really have three classes with five variations therein.
Starting point is 03:21:24 So be a soldier, super soldier guy, or be a magician person. But you can't specifically have a unique superhero identity with your own like things that... Yeah. Alright. Okay. You gotta make sacrifices, I suppose. Hmm. It's just, it's this weird thing where it's like it's whereas...
Starting point is 03:21:53 Whereas pretty much anything that has a historical basis on Dungeons and Dragons, which is almost everything. It's way easier. Because there's so many archetypes that just slot right in. A monk. A monk is a monk in 300 different games. Yeah. Everybody knows what that is. With superhero stuff, you end up usually taking those same roles and then naming them something different and then changing what the effects actually are.
Starting point is 03:22:27 But when you know that the universe has like, okay, you're a monk, but what are you representing? Are you representing, you know... Marshalists. I mean, so if you can pick different sources of power essentially, you know, do you then get to... Because yeah, you have the goal that is give people the ability to essentially cosplay their favorite Marvel characters and do similar things. Or you have like, unique but limited, you know? Anyway, alright, well, I imagine it's gonna be like what you said, where you just limit it. What I think of, or what I enjoy the idea of is something that's a little less practical than that.
Starting point is 03:23:09 So if I want to do my night crawling teleports, I'd like to be able to design a character that can do that. But that's not practical in any way, shape or form for a system like this. You know, the wildest thing about this is, is the business aspect of it. So the single smartest thing Clifford Blazinski ever said in his entire career, is that there's room for two. The market leader that's totally dominant and number two. And Marvel is looking at the current MMO space and seeing number two crawl up into number one spot and number two wracked with problems. And go out, I bet we can get number two. Wow's up for fucking grabs.
Starting point is 03:23:56 That's, it certainly is, they're not wrong. You know, they ain't wrong about that. If they can find ways to basically, in theory, learn from the mistakes and follow the lead of 14. As long as it's competent, launches well, and there isn't a news article every single week going, the people who made this game are rapists. I think they might be able to steal second base. Seems possible. I just, I guess we'll just have to wait to see the trailer that shows you exactly those six classes and how limited that's all going to be. Where it's like, whatever Marvel hero you want to, it's gun.
Starting point is 03:24:47 You're a gun, you're a gun guy. You're just, you're walking around and you shoot. That's your special, you know, or, or you're, you're a healer. You do the, you do the Scarlet Witch, but it's really just the healing. And that's it. Like, oh, okay. All right. Can I wear an X-Men uniform?
Starting point is 03:25:05 Yes. Yes, you can. You can faction up with that. Okay. I should mention, um, I don't know what they're thinking. I hope they don't spend too much money on this because it is known that Riot is working on an MMO. Which is, yes, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the most hidden of their projects. Oh my God.
Starting point is 03:25:29 And people are starting to make MMOs again. They're trying. Considering, considering the history and the staff, it might as well just be the sequel to World of Warcraft. Huh. Dude, everyone gave up on that genre. 14 took it, WoW stood in place, and everyone said, fuck this, we're out. It took a long time for 14 to crawl up there. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:26:00 But you know, resilience and rebooting the game and basically it's a sequel. Let's be real. Yeah. But they just stopped trying. We're back to the phase of people making MMOs again. Giving it a shot. Well, Riot is, Riot is doing the thing where, hey, do you know one of the, you remember one of the reasons why World of Warcraft was so popular right out the gate? Because people love Warcraft and Starcraft.
Starting point is 03:26:25 Yes. Yes. Absolutely. In fact, do you know what people love right now? Runeterra and Arcane. Sure. League of Legends. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 03:26:35 For sure. For sure. And you know, every hypothetical of World of Starcraft just never happened. Right? Yeah, that just fucking nowhere. Okay. So that's coming. Every single project about Starcraft that wasn't Starcraft got canceled.
Starting point is 03:26:57 Except for Starcraft 2. Yeah. Which I consider to be more Starcraft. But technically the first version of that probably did get canceled. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Like they canceled like fucking two action games and prep work on MMO. The most cutting room floor content of any IP.
Starting point is 03:27:25 Shame they couldn't apply that to some of their staff. All right, speaking of 14 and MMOs, there was, I didn't know about this, but apparently some people caught that Babylon's fall had a bunch of gear in it that people are like, is this just FF 14 gear? And the answer is yes, it absolutely is. And then there was some screenshots of like literally armor being just asset dumped right in. And apparently this got a response from Squeenix specifically coming out to say that Yoshida
Starting point is 03:28:19 offered his help with existing gear and emote assets in Babylon's fall. And essentially he offered to help them to give them stuff that they could use in Babylon's fall and they said yes please. And the reason why it seemed like all of the, or the majority of the gear is all just straight up lifted from FF 14 is because a lot of it is starting gear. And the demo that people played didn't have, people weren't going to see the mid-range gear, which is where the original stuff comes in. So the closed beta showed off most of the asset borrowed stuff.
Starting point is 03:29:01 Like anybody thought that it was stolen or that non-official because Squeenix is the publisher. No, but it is just a question mark of like why is it just literally the same shit? This is a good way to segue into it. I know some people who played Babylon's fall, the beta period, or the play test, I don't know what the fuck it was called. CBT. That game sounds terrible. Oh no.
Starting point is 03:29:26 I don't know if you remember when they showed it off for the second time. Yes. Yes. And it looked like garbage. Apparently it plays like garbage. The second time they showed it off, they showed off more combat and more air comboing things. And it seemed like they were improving the combat at the very least over what they first showed off.
Starting point is 03:29:48 Like Platinum opened up a studio specifically to make live service games and this is their first attempt is dire. What they showed off in June looked better than what they showed off until 2019. Well, I'm telling you the very first thing I saw was people going, wow, I love an action game from Platinum where I just smash on an enemy that doesn't look like it's taking any damage. Oh my kryptonite. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:30:22 Okay. That'll kill me. I can't handle that. I can't handle doing wild shit on something that stands there and has a number popping out of it. It looks like complete garbage. It looks like trash. Like this might kill Platinum outright.
Starting point is 03:30:38 Oh man. Not before the hero game. They made a whole studio for this fucking thing. Hold up. Hold up. What about the hero trilogy? Also, I need to really point out very strongly, I'm highly familiar with the gear that we're talking about that got sent over.
Starting point is 03:31:02 It's a bad sign. FF 14 is a game running on spaghetti. Do you remember what I was talking about technical debt earlier? They have been astonishingly forward in the FF 14 development that they are dealing with mountains of technical debt in FF 14. It's a miracle that game runs at all. Right? All the gear that is in FF 14 that they kicked over down to Babylon's fall looks way, way
Starting point is 03:31:31 shittier in Babylon's fall, which is ostensibly a new game. I didn't even check. It looks like crap. Is there other, is there a... Yeah, there's photos. I was going to say, are there streams of the CBT? I did not see any streams. I don't think you were allowed to do it.
Starting point is 03:31:52 Oh, okay, okay. Oh, wait. Hold on. Me, I played it? Oh, apparently, hold on. I'm seeing... Oh, here we go. 12 minutes of closed beta gameplay.
Starting point is 03:32:04 Yeah, okay. No, there's a couple of... And this is from about two weeks ago. So there's... She did a... Can I get a VOD? How far back was that? That was probably a while ago, right?
Starting point is 03:32:21 Oh, and Giga Boots also covered it? Okay, so there's people... Yeah, there's a couple of... There's a couple of videos here I can see. So yeah, if you want to go check out footage of Babylon's fall, you can check out Giga Boots and Meabite. And apparently that looks like trash. I'm just going to keep scrolling until I find something.
Starting point is 03:32:37 I can't find anything, fuck. God damn it. All right. Giga Boots did an hour's long stream and they melted. Yeah, they love playing garbage for long periods. I don't know what's wrong with them. Oh, Platinum. Okay.
Starting point is 03:32:51 You know, Platinum games felt really good. And then the... Well, time and money are things. Yeah. That's it. There's a sentence. Like, you know... Dash will change was pretty good.
Starting point is 03:33:10 I liked Dash will change. Dash will change was pretty good. Bayonetta 3's probably going to be pretty good. But I will say there's definitely some Platinum games that have lost their luster. I will still say that there's fun parts to Transformers and Korra. I think Transformers is way better than Korra. Yeah. We don't talk about Ninja Turtles, but, you know,
Starting point is 03:33:35 I will say that there's stuff to see in those two. Okay. All right. Damn. Don't worry, guys. Platinum's here to save us from the live service disaster that is Outriders. You know, as somebody who plays Square Enix's biggest and most successful live service game, watching them constantly go,
Starting point is 03:34:08 but what if we had another live service game and dumping millions and millions of dollars into them, only for them to completely crash and burn is pretty frustrating. I think we've talked about this. And I think I've said it. But I was there when the moment happened where the emails went out and the discussions occurred that were essentially like gas, baby, all pedal to the metal. We're going full gas. And the idea of like burning through a franchise in the quest for a successful gas game,
Starting point is 03:35:03 whether it's sleeping dogs, whether it's sleeping dogs, whether it's Nosgoth, because that's what we're going to call it, whether it's Tomb Raider, whatever the case might be, the proposition of the money you can make on that is so high that they're not going to stop. Even if they have one, there's always another one in the works, because it's too profitable. Yeah, that's Nosgoth, Outriders, and probably Avalon's Fall are totally going to make so much profit. Avengers too.
Starting point is 03:35:43 Look at all that profit they're making. Absolutely. It's Gambler's Fallacy practically. Just looking at the potential gains is too addictive. They can't stop. And I remember seeing what essentially felt like we're grabbing the steering wheel and swerving violently off the fucking egg to the exit ramp. If you've seen that with the car that serves towards gas, man,
Starting point is 03:36:21 everything that's not gas needs to implement gas or think about how we can start using gas mentality in games that were not originally designed with gas at the core. It's interesting because the very last interview that YoshiP did, he talked about now that the company has acknowledged FF14's success, like we have all the resources we need, something like that, right? And it's fascinating because the game's been out for eight years now, and there were definitely periods in which they would say, yes, we are aware, but we don't have the staff or resources to take care of that feature.
Starting point is 03:37:12 We're very sorry. And then Square Enix would put out a fucking earnings report that shows off that FF14 literally paid for five games to crash and burn. Of course. FF14 will continue to pay for all this wild shit. And it's like, why don't you just put some money back into that? They've clearly put some money back into that, and Walker has a lot more going on than usual. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:37:36 And also, but hold on, like FF7 Remake will drop, and people will be like, fuck yeah, here, buy this, you know? Yeah. But no, FF14 will continue to pay for these fucking Blackjack gambles on a live service game because holy shit, we stand to make so much if the fan base that loves Legacy of Kane is down to pay money on a regular basis for Legacy of Kane related content. That might have been the actual stupidest one I've ever seen from any company
Starting point is 03:38:13 on like a misread of what like a group of people actually want. They want this franchise back. They're willing to pay for it on a monthly basis. Let's fucking, let's get them. Like they could have literally gone and spoken to five random people and would have all got completely universal answers of like, I am not interested in that. You liked Sleeping Dogs.
Starting point is 03:38:36 I did. You liked Wei Shen, motherfucker, who are you? I did, that's true. So then you will be willing to pay. No. For the Chinatown Wars. No. On a monthly basis for more Sleeping Dogs content.
Starting point is 03:38:50 No, that's not true. And if we take every potential purchase of Sleeping Dogs and say this, that number of people on a weekly, on a monthly basis as income, like, yeah, it's, it's all, it's a bunch of producers trying to justify their existence. I was just reading up on a thread that was like Mel Brooks. Stories about Mel Brooks are coming out. I think he's got a book coming out. But Mel Brooks' biggest piece of advice with dealing with the studio,
Starting point is 03:39:24 which is totally appropriate, is him talking to the studio people about blazing saddles and how the head of the studio tells him, I don't like Gene Wilder. Get rid of him. I don't want him in the movie. I don't think he's a good pick. And you know what Mel Brooks' solution to that is to that? He goes, absolutely great, he's gone. And then he just leaves and doesn't do anything.
Starting point is 03:39:47 Like every single time he would show a cut of blazing saddles, they would tell him all this shit to cut. He's like, absolutely, I'm writing it down. We're going to cut that. That's going to be gone. Throw the piece of paper out on the way out of the fucking room. That's one way. They would fucking forget because these types of fucking idiots just see something
Starting point is 03:40:09 and they go, what if I made this? Or what if I changed this? The only time I can ever think of that working in my life is when they showed Anthem to John Riccatello and he said, that flying shit's pretty good. You should focus on that. And he was right because that was the only thing anyone liked about Anthem. Million percent.
Starting point is 03:40:30 Or was it Patrick Soderland? Whatever, it doesn't matter. But like the one EA guy who said, yeah, that flying shit seems cool. So the method, that's like, I used to like, that's brilliant because like, here I'm looking at the South Park method where they get around sensors by putting in jokes that are way too far, clearly obviously going to get cut. And then they take the bite and the bait and say, you got to get that out.
Starting point is 03:41:01 And they're like, okay, cool, so that the regular shit is left alone because the contrast is so insane. You remember Battle Chest back in the early 90s? Yeah, okay. So Battle Chest was a game, was just a chess game, but it had fancy animations with the pieces killing. Lightning strikes and shit. It was really simple.
Starting point is 03:41:19 It was a lot of fun. People liked it. Yeah. The people working on that knew that their producer was the kind of guy who every single fucking time they showed him anything, something had to change so that he would, you know, have a job. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Was they put a duck that just flew around the queen's head,
Starting point is 03:41:37 20 foot, like the whole time. It looked like shit. And they showed him the fucking gold, the gold master. It was like, yeah, it looks great. Just cut the duck. And sure enough, there's their game. Yep. You got to hand him something to change.
Starting point is 03:41:53 Got to get the stamp of approval, right? Writer punch ups. These fucking run scripts. You got to punch it up. The script is fine. It doesn't need a punch up. But if I don't change something, they won't hire me and pay me again for more punch ups.
Starting point is 03:42:06 I got to change. Because I didn't do anything. I got to get a credit here. Time to punch it up, even though it doesn't need one. It's how a bunch of movies get fucked up. Yeah. Exactly. Two, three, four punch ups.
Starting point is 03:42:19 You get, you get a movie, you get an animated show. And in some cases you get a game that has voice talent. And the number one like fuck up. I saw some voice actors complaining about this the other day where the fucking projects will go. Everything's a go. Some, something happens to the project, right? Like, you know, there's money problems or whatever.
Starting point is 03:42:39 Gets kicked over, gets delayed, gets kicked down the street to a new producer. Or like a slightly different top executive team. First thing, well we want to hire our own people. Everybody's casting, it's throwing the dirt. Completely rehire every single fucking role. For no reason. For nothing at all. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:43:05 For no gain. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just, it's just the fucking, the worst. Shout outs to the Austin Powers coffee diarrhea scene. Because the existence of that scene where he drinks a cup of what he thinks is coffee. But it turns out it's poop. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:43:26 The implication of that allows everyone who gets censored in a movie to go, you allowed Austin Powers to sip shit. So our joke is not as far as that. And everyone's got to go, well fuck, that's true. Now, this is just something I was reading up on a Twitter thread earlier today. So take it with a grand assault. But supposedly the Orson, not Orson. Alfred Hitchcock was sending in fucking Psycho to the MPAA for ratings and films.
Starting point is 03:43:59 And they were like, fucking no, this is the most violent movie ever. Like get the fuck out of here. And he just kept sending in the same cut over and over and over until they got used to the amount of violence and let it through. Then that's those stories, dude. Yeah. I've said it before. The Walking Dead, the comic, right? Not even before the show when it was just the comic.
Starting point is 03:44:31 Walking Dead, it's like, OK, so I got a pitch, right? I think it was like IDW or whatever. And it's like, yeah, OK, so it's a zombie story, post-apocalyptic. We're going to tell stories about these characters, and it's going to be interesting. And they're like, and? And he's like, and that's the pitch. And they're like, yeah, no. And he's like, and then you find out that the zombies are actually, it's aliens that are behind the whole thing.
Starting point is 03:45:13 And at first we start out with like a hint of it, but you don't know where it comes from. And then the threat of it being zombies becomes a preparation for a whole, all out invasion war. And, you know, multiple books and we build up to it and you never even realize it was sci-fi the whole time. You thought it was just a zombie story and they're like, apps are fucking loopy green like that shit. Five books in. Hey, when are we going to get to the? Yeah, no, that was a real I lied. I lied to you.
Starting point is 03:45:45 Yeah, I'm a liar. We're an idiot. We're never getting to the aliens, are we? Nope. Nope, we're not. OK, well, it's selling, so thank you. I think producers that somehow like nepotism their way into this shit without knowing a single goddamn thing about anything are like literally the curse of every entertainment industry. Like they're the absolute goddamn worst.
Starting point is 03:46:10 They're like, you could point to a single reason why everything sucks shit. It's like this type of person that happens to always be around. But I think the best one ever and it's much too long of a story to tell here. It's Kevin Smith describing his fucking Superman pitch and how the fucking producer that he had to go to his house to talk to him for some reason just kept becoming obsessed with a giant mechanical spider being the ending of the Superman movie. Only for Smith to back off on it. And just a few years later, see that Wild Wild West is coming out under the same producer and fucking sure enough, there's a giant mechanical spider at the end of the year. The doors swing open.
Starting point is 03:46:57 Because this guy is just like every single fucking movie anyone talked to him about. I was like, what if there was a big mechanical spider at the end? So it's become a whole like thing now with multiple talks and takes and podcasts and such. But the original first evening with Kevin Smith, I think is where that story was told. And yeah, it's unbelievable. It is just an absolute walk into the uselessness of these of these producer roles and then the just wanting to get their name stamped on the thing so they can walk around the cocktail party going, hey, you know, that bit right there? Yeah.
Starting point is 03:47:36 That was this guy, you know, and just doing whatever the fuck they can. It's awful. And it's also the reason why great scripts are almost destined to die even when they get greenlit, you know, in most cases. Anyway, so that was a big, long ways to go. But I don't know what we were talking about. Babylon's fall. That's why Babylon's fall has FF 14 gear in it. All right.
Starting point is 03:48:13 Other things I haven't before we leave off on that. Actually, I just want to make one final comment. FF 14 went from being a complete disaster to being a gigantic success in every sense of the word and a not insignificant amount can be laid at the direct feet of one really good producer. Instead of as the opposite of the stories we've been telling when the person who actually gets to make the decisions knows what they're doing. Yeah, you can turn garbage into something valuable. The key and the most important part, especially when you know you're dealing with one of these assholes. Just lie. Just lie.
Starting point is 03:48:54 Just lie to them. Just lie. Yeah, sure, dude. That's why of all these stories, like they're all fun because there's like two steps of obfuscation that are hilarious. But the Mel Berks one is like it's there is nothing else. There's yeah, there was no plan. No point on nothing. There was no second plan.
Starting point is 03:49:14 No, I would just I would just lie to them every single time it came up. I would just tell them absolutely boss. Yeah, because that's all they want. They want people to capitulate to them. There you go. Just lie. Mel Berks is a goddamn legend. So just a couple other little things.
Starting point is 03:49:36 One apparently epic just bought harmonics. Oh, cool. I have not been paying attention to what harmonics has been doing since I guess drop mix. But seems like they've tried a bunch of stuff. I just. Yeah, I unfortunately didn't keep up. But there's some cool music stuff that harmonics does and done done. But epic want it.
Starting point is 03:50:07 Epic want it. Epic got it. In their continuing quest to make sure there's no monopolies. I mean, I have to assume that harmonics was in a situation where they they they needed the money because we haven't heard from them in a minute. Yep. That's it. Also, rumors of Mass Effect adaptation are happening with Amazon Prime TV deal or some
Starting point is 03:50:42 such, and or some kind of adaptation. And Henry Cavill actually teased a picture of him reading a script that was actually just a printout of a Mass Effect three wiki page. Yeah, so. Number one. Wow, this is late. Like, wow. Two.
Starting point is 03:51:12 Yeah, that's a totally great fit as long as you do anything but adapt the games. There's a ton of books and Lauren shit to go on. Yeah. Literally anything other than just telling the story of the games. So apparently the reason why so late or why all this noise about Mass Effect now is because Wheel of Time that just dropped has been a huge success. And like it literally came out 10 days ago. Yeah, I was talking.
Starting point is 03:51:45 Me and Paige were hanging out and talking with Amanda the Jedi and she had just gone to see that. Apparently it's quite good. So yeah, like. Turns out you can adapt Robert Jordan shit fucking you're doing just did its thing. Right. So not just that but. But yeah, Wheel of Time basically dropped and did really well for them.
Starting point is 03:52:08 So they've tripled down on all their adaptation discussions in the works. Yeah. And Mass Effect was one of the ones they've been one of the deals they've been working on. That is why noise of Mass Effect now. Hey, I do have one thing to say about Wheel of Time despite the fact that I haven't seen it. You know how we were just getting annoyed by Game of Thrones cutting cool ass big shit.
Starting point is 03:52:33 Right. I can't think of a book series that would be improved more than by cutting hundreds of pages in a row. Yeah. Yeah. Like. Fucking there are such long stretches of the Wheel of Time of people talking in a room about political bullshit that it's like, man, you got to just go in the bad way because
Starting point is 03:53:03 they can do it because you can do that in a good way. If you do that legend of the galactic heroes, then you're doing that the good way. No, man. No, you cut it. You just cut it. It's fine. I'm telling you right now. You don't need.
Starting point is 03:53:18 You don't need to cut to people who actually have read the books at least somewhat. You don't need to cut to a lightsaber reaction shot of Ni'naev or however you pronounce her name tugging on her fucking braid in every goddamn seed. Okay. Jordan was a verbose man. You don't need it. We got through token. We can we can do this.
Starting point is 03:53:46 What you better not fucking cut is I hope Henry doesn't cower it out from some big old alien sex. I hope they fucking go in and I hope they film it in such a way where like you have to kind of you have to you have to think about how the mechanics work of you know when the SR are doing their shit. Hey, what? Hey, guess what? What is you?
Starting point is 03:54:14 You could show me one screenshot of a set pick for the new Mass Effect show with Henry Cavill and I would immediately go. Okay. Yeah, no, they're going to they're going to nail it. And that's Henry Cavill playing anyone but a human being. If he's playing a Turian or a Krogan or a Solarian fucking nailed it. Great. Good.
Starting point is 03:54:37 Excellent. You know they're casting him for Shepard, dude. You know they do if he has leading man jaw. You don't cast a leading man jaw to not be Shepard. That's what they're doing. If the word so this is the opposite of that. If the word Shepard is said aloud in that first trailer. Oh, that thing's going to be complete garbage.
Starting point is 03:54:57 Oh, you bet. You're fucking ass. You're getting it alongside all your fucking and seven merch and it's good. Like no and seven isn't specific to Shepard. You can do anything. Yeah, but you're getting not only Shepard but the characters that you know specifically and care about. That's a huge mistake in adaptation.
Starting point is 03:55:20 They would never do the do the cool guy move of making a story that takes place within this universe. The only character that I want to fucking see in this Mass Effect TV show that is an existing character from the books is Blasto. It's the only one. See, I think the problem is that you need to take into consideration that Amazon wants to get the thing that people know and the thing they know is the Shepard. It's not about like, oh, let's push forward the best like a stab the best lore that'll
Starting point is 03:56:01 expand this world in an interesting way. It's really did you not watch Mandalorian? How long was it before a bunch of established Star Wars characters started showing up on screen? Well, that's but that's the difference I suppose between like with them doing it themselves versus here where they're they're they're banging for a deal with Amazon Prime TV, right? Hopefully, hopefully they do that. But I'm not going to.
Starting point is 03:56:25 I certainly would set my expectations to fucking low that you're not going to just see people doing the exact plot of Mass Effect One and two and such going into TV. No, if they know if they here's my fucking pitch for a Mass Effect show, you ready for a first contact war 70 years before the game takes place. It's about the Turians and the first contact with the sounds awesome. Sounds super cool. It just seems extremely unlikely based on, you know, Shepard recognition money. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:57:03 So there you go. That's it. We did it. They should put me in charge of all these things. Oh, I'm smart. Now we're talking. Lol Lamau is not an appropriate answer to when we ask you died at the end of the first episode when we ask you what the hell is happening on set?
Starting point is 03:57:34 That's that's not going to work for the board. I forget who I was talking to recently, but I'm like, man, the most frustrating thing about being in this profession and dealing with all this media is that I have an excellent ability to tell you that something sucks shit and why, but I have no replacement idea for you ever. I have nothing to give you. I can tell you that you suck and that you should do something different. And then when they go like what I go, I don't know, I'm not a writer.
Starting point is 03:58:02 I'm gone. Welcome to the concept of fandom. 101. All right. That's it for us this week. Let's take some letters. Yeah. If you want to send in a letter about how what sucks, but have no ideas of what to change,
Starting point is 03:58:19 send it to castle super beast at gmail.com. No, castle super beast mail at gmail.com. That's castle super beast mail at gmail.com. Thank you very much. Good catch. This one's coming in from Mike and Mike says, dear salt master, woolly and orb man, Pat, during your talk about darkest dungeon two, you mentioned how super popular mods can show the problems with game design decisions.
Starting point is 03:58:43 Got me thinking about what games I would never recommend people play without mods because the stock user experience has flaws that make it suck ass. There are plenty of games where I recommend mods, but there's one where it's absolutely miserable without modding it first. Brain schemes, battle tech should never, ever, ever be played without mods, especially if you have any kind of anxiety. The game has one, no way to change difficulty without mods. Two, an invisible 18% hard cap on the value of anything you sell.
Starting point is 03:59:18 Three, going from star system to star system costs time and money, a 45 minute long mission, 45 minute long missions where eight enemies will be on the field versus your set group before. Every mission will cause some damage to you and your unit's ability for your mech pilots to be injured. Mission payout, salvage, don't make up for the damage incurred. Lots of dice rolls, some with modifiers that are not exposed to the player's stock UI, grinding out the ass to get parts.
Starting point is 03:59:49 DLC locked behind completing the campaign in the stock version. Melee centric units that suck ass because they're too close to the tabletop version and it doesn't support proper implementation into the systems. It just goes on and on and on. And mission difficulty indicators that straight up lie are based on absurd bullshit, no way to skip intro videos or anything for no reason. Now people in our chat are disagreeing with this letter very strongly. I hope you never play this game from my own goblins.
Starting point is 04:00:25 I have two games that are going to have no one arguing with me on them, totally uncontroversial. Number one, Vampire of the Masquerade Bloodlines is an unplayable piece of shit without mods. It is legitimately completely broken, top to bottom, even when I did play it with mods. It was still goofy. But it's a pretty good game with the mod fix. And number two, if you start any game made by Bethesda, or on a Bethesda engine, the first thing you're going to do is you hit that fucking tilde and you do player.addwait or whatever the fuck it is to make your carry weight functionally infinite.
Starting point is 04:01:14 My answer is simply Kotor 2, because it's the difference between being worth your time to play and not. Yep. It's the difference between one of the best stories in this universe and nothing. And just a real busted game. Yep. Alright, let's take it. Player.modavcarryweight5000, that's what it is. Thank you.
Starting point is 04:01:42 Meek says, hey Pat and Willie, someone reminded me about the MK11 ending where Jax goes back in time and solves slavery. Seems weird that nobody else in MK did that. I want to ask, what's your favorite non-canon or alternative ending? That's pretty good. That's a pretty good one. Jax did solve slavery. I'm going to go with the ones that happen, but the credits don't roll right afterwards, because the people in charge were too scared to actually commit to their decisions.
Starting point is 04:02:16 So instead they just, what if you in the middle of the story? We just talked about it, but Last Jedi, literally going in the middle of Last Jedi, just going like, what is a really cool good ending? Nope. We just didn't do it. No backing the fuck out of the climax of Last Jedi. And you know what has exactly that same energy of like, okay, here's the thing, but also no, we're not doing this.
Starting point is 04:02:45 And in this case it's also because they just wanted to fucking change what the franchise was. Assassin's Creed III. The ending of Assassin's Creed III where you get to the end of Desmond's story is so fucking wild, because it shows you what they intended or what they had an idea of what the story should be or become. And then they go, And then they just go, No!
Starting point is 04:03:13 Nope. And then nothing. And then they just fart their way out of the room and hotbox you and lock the door. And just like you're like, You had enough fucking gall to show off what you thought you wanted to, you were gonna like commit to, but then you didn't have the balls to commit to it. So then instead you said,
Starting point is 04:03:37 What if we committed to it? Wouldn't that be interesting? Anyway, we're not doing that. Just fucking around. Grabbing by the dick. Catch you later. Got your nose. Whoa. I think piece the fuck out.
Starting point is 04:03:48 I think my favorite one of these. Same shit. Like pseudo alternates or what if endings is the Silent Hill joke endings dog, because silent, silent. No, specifically the UFO ones, because the Silent Hill one, two and three UFO endings are canon within themselves. Like connect to each other. UFO ending is a sequel to the Silent Hill one UFO ending.
Starting point is 04:04:16 And the Silent Hill three UFO ending has Cheryl, Heather meeting up with Harry and fucking James after they get abducted by UFOs. And then the UFOs sing a fucking song. That is great. It's great. And last one here from Peter. Greetings, Patroclus and Patroclus the Coward and Willie Maximus. Got a question that stems from something you said in an earlier episode.
Starting point is 04:04:52 You talked about the Book of Boba Fett. You said it looked kind of cool, but you felt odd going from the Mandalorian where the helmet was almost always odd to Book of Boba where even in the trailer the helmet is barely on half the time. I get how it would be weird in a sense, but I had no problem with it for a specific reason. Crazed Maori warrior death eyes. I love the look of Berserk Fury and Temuera Morrison's eyes when he's beaten down some poor bastard. Question is, have you ever had someone level a valid criticism but you tilt your head and go, I get that, but this though.
Starting point is 04:05:26 That's a pretty good reason I'll take that. All the time. He's got the Pucana eyes and you know that energy I see it. I can think of one. Well, you go ahead because I can think of one and. Oh, I can't think of shit, but I know that I do that all the time. Like this sucks, but I go, yeah, but that that part's really cool. That one thing though, right?
Starting point is 04:05:47 And here's what it is. In a pre Metroid Dread World in a time when Samus was limited to the great games that we knew. Team Ninja in other M added some combat backflips and evasion techniques that I thought were really cool that I wanted to see. I like I like the little the little sprinkle of action mobility into that Metroid style system. So I liked that you could do that stuff in combat in other M, despite the fact that the story is abysmal and everything else was just fucking terrible. And I still say, yeah, but check out the backflip around the character counter hits, though. I think there's a part where in other M, I think the part that sold you was like Samus does like a running bulldog to a lizard and shoots it in the face when it hits the ground. That's exactly what she does.
Starting point is 04:06:41 That's like, man, that's really cool. Like she running bulldogs it and goes, bam. Like, damn it. That fucking combat is sick. Ah, so there you go. Other M combat apologist. Anyways, it's going to take a long time to get the stink of other M off you. It's taken like 10 years to get the story off of you.
Starting point is 04:07:06 It'll be on my grave. All right. Hey, before we let you go, everybody, if you're watching this live on Monday, me page and play good to watch Star Trek later. Okay. So come on, come on down to that. Um, piccardo.tv slash plague. I think Reggie wants to watch the game awards this week, so we might do that. Oh, fuck, is that this fucking week?
Starting point is 04:07:32 I think so. And, uh, well, no, he kind of brought it up, but I want to throw him under the bus anyway. So we might do that. They're going to announce Bloodborne or some shit. I don't know. I don't usually like, as you know, doing these, but I might, we might do it. So keep... I think that was December 10th.
Starting point is 04:07:50 Is it not this week? Is it, is it? Yeah, I think it's next week. Oh, okay. All right. Then we're too early on that. All right. Well, in that case, you know, birthday stream.
Starting point is 04:07:59 Take care, guys. Bye.

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