Castle Super Beast - CSB 154: Undefeated HBO Titty

Episode Date: February 16, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:00 lets try! hello that is the start we have a lot to cover today there's a lot so how far into Kirby do you have to put your penis before he can control you like a sock puppet okay so you had a couple days to come up with that one I just thought of it in one second what else what else you what else you got written on the cue cards there's nothing Kirby is Kirby has always been a vor freak but I don't know how much vor you've seen I've seen too much that's the answer the part that makes all the fucking weirdos like really really beat
Starting point is 00:01:29 off is the part where like Goliath is like frustrated looking and has still has one arm out of Lexington's mouth and Nintendo saw that and said we want Kirby to have a power-up where he can't fit the whole thing inside himself yeah thanks I hate it's just too much no listen it's real simple it's the animation that happens anytime he swallows something anyway except they stop it before he does the swallow the swallow is the part where it's satisfactory and then he's cute again and now he has the power but they decided let's just dial it back to the the the pre key frame of him about to swallow and
Starting point is 00:02:20 then what if he never does and yes now we get condom sleeve Kirby and it's horrifying it's it's awful it's really it's I've net deeply upsetting is one way to describe it I've never seen a more universal reaction to anything then mouthful like the text comes on mouthful mode and you ever now now and it's called mouthful mode yeah yeah that's and that is not not even fuck whatever the Japanese title is that is like American Treehouse approved translation mind you I am really kind of upset at it but also not surprised in that something in this game somewhere was going to be horrifying this is the this is what we
Starting point is 00:03:24 do this is what Kirby is please understand oh no I'm just hitting okay you went is that your mood I'm just I'm just having fun okay your mood when my mood is I figured out my camera has buttons okay well that's not mp3 compatible but here's what no it's not that's why I didn't say anything here's what we can say the fact that like we already know previous Kirby games recent entries especially there's always some darkness in there there's always something that leaves you going huh that's not very poyo and now not really and now you're thinking oh it's probably gonna be the the fate of the dead
Starting point is 00:04:08 world he's walking around in but we've already done that we've already done that Kirby has been to dead dead worlds before so now it's just no no no no no the the thought that he can stretch and sleeve himself around anything and now you are forced to think about the mechanics of Kirby half swallowing anything that's the horror so leave it to this franchise and franchise and leave it to kumazaki to come up with the next step in like deeply uncomfortable truths with this little cream puff it's on it is it is so upsetting to hear the word sleeve as a verb blame mortal shell yeah that became that's the thing now
Starting point is 00:05:04 it's mortals mortal shell like way more often than you would like and hope does that game refer refer to the bodies that you switch into as sleeves so then we just started going off on like why do you keep saying sleeve game please stop saying sleeve and now now now we can't stop they're European now everything is about sleeves my hoodie has sleeves yeah arms go in them yeah I don't want look there's a lot of Kirby merch out there much of which I am happily you know buying and enjoying I don't need a new line of half swallowed Kirby koozies and fit it over your head and or objects like I just don't need it I don't need
Starting point is 00:06:06 that in my life you know we know we've already seen the memes it's it's just yeah I saw one that was Kirby all the way over Shinji crying in the chair certainly there's yeah there's the one of you know the two guys sitting in the train car ones looking at the scary side and smiling and the others looking at the sun and frowning and half of the car is all pink line where it's like the implication is that Kirby has slightly digested all of it you know it like yeah and if you really want to if you want to take this to its logical conclusion because this is what we this is this is what let's yes you know and I mean look
Starting point is 00:06:54 I'm not gonna call myself a Kirby lore expert but I know a thing or two there's their stories that are that'll need to be told here consider if you will a living being that gets partially swallowed but is now still forced to be controlled by Kirby so head-crabbing if you would or yeah the power effect of latching on to something and then controlling it you know it is it is it is not you're getting swallowed and you're dying and your powers are passing on to to the cream puff it's no you still have your body but now your footsteps are no longer your own your brain is controlled because if it works
Starting point is 00:07:40 on tech the implication is it can work on anything like you remember Mario would throw cappy on things and Mario's soul would inhabit those things precisely but he wouldn't like physically like crawl in their ass and pilot them he would just yeah right here it's like what how how big is Kirby like a little bigger than a bowling ball you know I mean you look at look at him in Smash Brothers compared to the rest of the characters you know right okay so like if Kirby were to like bite my hand and not and just not let go do I just lose bodily autonomy instantly and become a puppet he decides right like here we thought the
Starting point is 00:08:21 process was once you are swallowed you are now your powers are his and you're done and then you can be spit back out as a star right he can create that inside of his stomach but no if he wants to he can just start to swallow you and the partial digestion is enough for you to be mind-controlled see I always I always felt like digestion was beside the point that because of the like he can put an infinite amount of mass in his stomach I always figured it was like a portal to like Dreamland or you know some shit and that's why stars would come out because he's attached to the cosmos there's a void in there here here it's
Starting point is 00:09:07 like if Kirby hops on your head and eats your head and your head pops into space does your head just explode is that why you can control your body I think it's about absorption right and by being partially swallowed you're partially absorbed enough for him to control you by being fully swallowed you're fully absorbed and now he just uses what you've got I still can't believe the shot of like his horribly distended body with a car poking out mm-hmm and the text mouthful mode coming up on the screen in this jaunty to it like and we've demonstrated not only could Kirby just swallow and then become a
Starting point is 00:09:54 motorcycle wheelie type character that can travel on his own without the need to partially swallow a car he also has friends he can ride on who are happy to get him where he needs to go so the vehicle like sleeve is just a flex like but how do I put that so I feel I feel like either it's directly intentional right and like no it can't so my my issue here but not in my issue but my like my curiosity here is that at some point this had to get past somebody yes who just looked at it and I'm like oh cool Kirby can't eat the whole thing yes and and but like I tree house right let's look at the tree house right the
Starting point is 00:10:51 American branch sure people there are probably 20 to 40 years old mm-hmm their internet savvy mm-hmm that hits your fucking desk translate this mm-hmm oh I'm right I I think and then they come up with fucking mouthful mode yeah no no I like I said I think this isn't definitely intentional knowing kuma zaki and the way he's played it in pre in the recent years with these games it's like there is an understanding that hey you know what's cute when he's full of water and he's going and like even walking around as a vending machine spitting out cans that's kind of cute but the that's that's right but
Starting point is 00:11:34 the but the four wheels of the car sticking out the bottom of his mouth is not cute at all there's nothing about that that's the one that they used to like show off and exactly and you see him driving into the city in the in the the title shot for the fucking game the so there's an understanding that like overall we're still showing you the cute Kirby thing but every once in a while some of these mouthful mode trans a power copies powers are gonna be awful like it's it's a deliberate thing go look at the dude's fucking art man he draws cute horrifying shapes evil gross things that have like small you know
Starting point is 00:12:21 a super deformed proportions God that are kind of adorable while they're horrifying so I just pulled up the trailer just to check and I had like legitimately 100% forgotten that it's called mouthful mode but each specific transformation has its own name and they are named car mouth vending mouth cone mouth scissor lift mouth ring mouth arch mouth water balloon mouth like like yeah also yeah the distinction between vending mouth where he's it's entirely contained and he's just like oh I'm a silly shape bloop bloop here's a can of soda and like the car wheels mm-hmm so of course seeing the we have we
Starting point is 00:13:20 have not yet begun to see the depth of the memes on this and I it's it's kind of interesting how the mere implication of Kirby with the ring mouth and then just the jpeg of goat's he hands on the sides just mental damage instantly it caught it cause strutting a darkest dungeon stress check failed I was instantly I was scrolling down the subreddit and I there was somebody who posted that on there and like I had like a I know it's not a double take but it's the wide-eyed like head shaking like what what oh okay it's Kirby okay it's Kirby absolute frenzy yeah yeah anyway we there's a lot to talk about and we
Starting point is 00:14:12 gotta we gotta get a move on cuz it's a well what we do what we do know with absolute certainty that Kirby would be able to fit a whole jar inside without it breaking unless he wants it to break well unless unless he wants it to break see because I think some people might misunderstand that sometimes the goal is for the jar to break that's not an accident it's intended historically that's never been the goal historically it's there are used to fill it up with water and then they didn't fill it up water narratives about possibly possibly that the guard the jar break might be intentional sometimes I don't believe
Starting point is 00:15:01 that there's a lot of things I don't want to believe that doesn't make them not true look look I think ring mouth might be in the running for like one of the worst ones because you can actually see into Kirby and the inside of Kirby does it make any fucking sense what would you have done if if we started out and I was and I was just like nah man it's awesome we love it we stan our mouthful king see the problem with that is that I was browsing tiktok the other day in your tiktok came up and the only clip that has come up of yours in like two weeks is you just staring at mouthful mode just go oh no so I knew already fair
Starting point is 00:15:50 enough okay well anyways we gotta we gotta get moving so let's god damn it let's move all right I think we can we have a shared element this week in see yes that's correct now here's the thing so let's let's do it simultaneously I only did one session of seafood so I'm still only at level to the club and I had it's not beaten yeah so that's where I got to got it I will keep that in mind that being said knowing that I haven't beaten it I have spent the last couple days playing everything but not beating it because the squats and the club up until actually be I have just fucking hammered in that time this game
Starting point is 00:16:46 is unbelievably fucking fun and I mean it's real good it's it is it is like I said it's an excuse to talk about absolver and to give them the slow clap for what they've done you know because the bones of what they what they made last was good it had other problems that were not the combat you know and here you just make it a PvE focused challenge and you just make it like you have different ways of dealing defensively with whatever's coming at you and then you just keep the flow going whatever you respond to is like it's strict it's unforgiving but also when oh boy is it but when you get into a flow it's
Starting point is 00:17:37 unbelievably satisfying and yeah I fucking love it man so what what so what is your you've been fucking a boot with the club and the squats and I think you said you've only beaten squats in your thing you've been you've been messing with with club but you haven't beaten it okay well like to be perfectly honest like I get Sean down to hit like 1% is one pip and then I restart because we're waiting to move forward okay because so I got the true ending over the weekend okay of which there is a true ending is a concept I didn't expect this game to have so I beat all five stages and got the true ending and I finished it up and
Starting point is 00:18:30 had this moment of like is Willie like doing like a one or two off on this or is he beating it because I spent like eight hours on the club oh like in totality okay not beating it mind you but the number one factor and this one I'm gonna start with is like what is your top time on the squats is it zero no certainly but I'm not I haven't checked my time I was just looking at I so I was looking at age and like when I say what I say time I mean your age oh 21 21 okay you're gonna want to get that down to 20 yeah yeah yeah I can feel it and and and this is the the the you're gonna want to get clubbed down to 20 as well I feel I
Starting point is 00:19:31 can I feel it's within my grasp because um what you what I like there's okay you know how there's all obviously there's the the point system where you have to be below a certain age right to get certain things like the weapon durability I discovered coming out of the squats for the first time that the skill tree literal skill tree mind you also has age restrictions yeah and I didn't realize that because they don't tell you that because it's you're supposed to find out like by hitting that age and realize you're supposed to find out in mission four when you're like 65 and you're like well I have the experience oh no no one
Starting point is 00:20:17 cares you're not you're too old to learn this and it's like oh shit okay so that process has re prioritized all of my power-ups for what I want to get so I've been hitting the club I've been hitting the club and I've been hitting the squats and like squats is like at this point it's pretty much it's just like how smooth is the warehouse going down the rest of it is fine and then the club it with the the real thing was just like okay how do you deal with the students the martial arts students right the ones who have that specific move set that involves the the giant like advancing like kind of Bagua punch you
Starting point is 00:21:03 know the elbow palm delayed orange palm into strike exactly and so like that fucked me up super hard the first time I hit that's the students and in the guy who's sitting down there you know and then I realize I'm like okay yeah this is gonna take off-stream learning to get this move set a hundred percent you know same thing when they pick up a staff as well yeah so I have so first of all now that I've gotten the true ending I have a lot of stuff that is very unclear and you would never know until you put another 10 15 hours into it that I can give to you as a as a help okay and the true ending is easy to get so first of
Starting point is 00:21:48 all it's not a problem the true ending mechanics are totally separate from all of the run mechanics age mechanics you just do them and they're done I've discovered a lot in the grind I've been putting in for the first two levels okay yeah so this is the number one thing to know if you're playing seafood okay and specifically for the squats right you want to get squats down to 20 because if you get a 20 you never have to do it again right certain skills that you get from the shrines are way better than others mm-hmm like way better than others and in the squats you cannot use any shortcuts and still get all three
Starting point is 00:22:29 shrines is there a way to get three in the squats yeah absolutely because the third one that takes the that requires the side door I couldn't figure out how to get back to that once you move too far forward yes because you absolutely cannot take any shortcuts through the squats you have to go the long way but what I mean so the first yeah go ahead the first one is you you go the normal path you don't use the door on the left to shortcut it you go all the way up the stairs all the way around jump through yeah and then you you pass by a shrine that is in a kind of decrepit room before you climb up something that's the
Starting point is 00:23:09 first one the second one is where you fight the two security guys with the tattoos oh they're the one they're the ones who give you the key it's in the room with them it's in the room with them I miss is why you can't take the shortcut okay I miss that one yeah okay right because if you take the shortcut you skip that room and you but you got a different one no because there is one you hold up hold up when you take the shortcut at in the lobby right mm-hmm there is a statue that you can counter as you're moving through that shortcut area yes and you only get two total for that exactly but I didn't know there was
Starting point is 00:23:49 one in the tattoo room okay yeah so but basically if you want if you take the shortcut you only get two yeah if you don't take the shortcut and do the whole level okay you get three awesome and you know about the top I know there is a taunt and it seems to aggro the opponents so taunts build up your score your score multiplier okay right so the the trick is the trick is for squats is you get to the very first guy in the stage and taunt him until you get the five times multiplier then you roll the whole stage the long way old boy all way and yeah the old boy hallway the two goons the fat guy the whole the the
Starting point is 00:24:37 raid room yeah etc yeah and then you end up with a g if you did it really excellently you have the ability to get two of the final score upgrade which is parrying does more structure damage to opponents okay okay that is the best skill oh yeah okay no question once you get it to number three it's the difference between like a parry will take off like 25 percent of somebody's structure okay as opposed to like five or ten percent so my with I never so without trying them all out I was gunning for weapon durability since it requires the lowest age right useless okay and enemies in later stages carry
Starting point is 00:25:29 so many weapons that after fights there's like three or four weapons on the ground and then I tried a remixing that and I did a run through the squats with weapons damage okay weapon damage does help but it doesn't help you on the bosses because most of the bosses you don't have a weapon to fight them most of the time yeah yeah so like if I had to tell you like the absolute mandatory skills it's all three of the score ones oh okay okay and then more structure the the 60 year old one yeah the very first skill more structure because that helps the most with the bosses and then the remaining three can be to taste so here's
Starting point is 00:26:13 a question that would be my recommend okay well the thing is is well two things one the the structure one for example like I real the better I got at fighting Sean the less that mattered right because and now I'm feeling like I now I dance around him like Sean's nothing but the so I realized I was like okay I increasing my structure might not be as advantageous as putting it into let's say like meter or something right but then the other question is like does having level three meter early on in help you know just cool moves okay so but I have I have really bad news for you and the news is that the shrine upgrades are
Starting point is 00:27:09 horribly balanced horribly balanced okay so the the increase meter moves they take they take experience and you have to buy the move and most of them require a weapon for about 90 it for almost every boss fight other than Sean you're not gonna have a weapon and the bosses are much tougher than the stages they live in mm-hmm okay the the structure thing is the same we're gaining a health on on takedowns I thought that was gonna be the best skill but it doesn't give a lot more it's like a like you don't even get double when it's level three yeah mm-hmm like it doesn't give that much okay so like I found that you know I
Starting point is 00:28:02 gouge the I gouge move is probably the best move I do the sweep constantly so the reason why I recommend the I gouge move is because let's take Sean right a boss that you're familiar with and I'm sure you fought him on stream right if you have the second score upgrade where you get more focus when you dodge moves or parry moves right you're gonna get the ability to I gouge or sweep constantly right if you dodge him get that and get I gouge you can charge up the back fist and hit him with the full-powered back fist then you do the knockdown back forward square which causes the stagger yeah then you do crooked leg which is
Starting point is 00:28:48 the sweep and then they're on the ground and you can pick them up and get the hit in like you would with the sweep anyway already doing that via a different sequence okay so I'm doing the reason I recommend I gouge is because against bosses that you have trouble getting in on it's free yeah the sweep is free as well but what I do is a same thing so you I do a I do the knockdown sequence so like heavy heavy delay heavy you get the roundhouse in whenever they're right right yeah take that knockdown pick them up and then yeah back forward palm right they stagger backwards and then running sweep right which I've permanently
Starting point is 00:29:29 unlocked which is then another free knockdown pick them back up right spend the meter at that point if you want and you have a nice sequence and then usually after the third the second or so they're third they're breaking out of it but like in that moment when you pick them back up at least with Sean I noticed you and other enemies you have time for the charged strike mm-hmm yeah so you depends depends on the enemy basically each each larger enemy or boss is gonna give you less time and more guaranteed mm-hmm sorry you need to go for more guaranteed stuff the weirdest thing is Sean is like
Starting point is 00:30:14 he might be like the hardest boss interesting he was I had hard at first but then I just learned it I just fucking learned all of it so for me maybe it's because I can't react to his sweep okay so I and like I thought it may be a hundred times now I can't react to it like I tried over and over and over I can but it's like I just kind of went nothing else matters see him do the start of that animation because it's different mm-hmm right the start of the sweep animation is different and it's like like do a mental spike on that as if you were reacting to something in a fighting game you know what I mean like
Starting point is 00:31:00 just like you have to recognize that animation what sucks is in phase 3 when he starts backing off right oh dude it sucks shit that's why I like the eye gouge because it's it locks him down down yeah because you'll see these moments where like you'll you'll jump the sweep anyway but you don't get a reward for it you know mm-hmm what I ended up doing on that the only way I got around it is I just I blocked the first hit of every combo and then react because yeah every other hit other than that sweep is high yeah so um except well there's some side ones where you want to like where he does the vertical you know
Starting point is 00:31:38 sweet yeah those those are actually high okay the game had the game you'll feel look at your character actually physically go left right yeah but but strikes are actually only higher low okay I'm inputting side when it happens you know yeah so when so at first I was blocking the shoulder strike and then reacting to the second hit of the string which is is also a very I mean other action games do that like you'll do that in a souls game you know what I mean like block the first hit of their combo parry the second but then after learning how to react to the sweep I learned how to react to the shoulder block coming also
Starting point is 00:32:24 when he does the full-on kill it poke you know that's the fastest one to react to so it's just like just be ready to dodge whatever the fuck is coming and when he is when he approaches you know so for the future stages for the first squats you have to go the long way to get all the all the time three okay for the club you can do every shortcut and still get all three you can skip most of the club and still get all three yeah because once you loop back around you have the the backdoor access point anyway yeah the last one's right in front of the boss exactly and then the second one is in the white room that you have to
Starting point is 00:33:06 go have to go through the workout room and then the first ones on the dance floor yeah yeah yeah the third one third stage you can skip about 90% of the total stage and still get all three interesting the fourth one you have to kind of do it all but if you're going for high score if you're going for score to unlock well that's the thing you don't need to go for high scores if you get all three high score ones in the club and the squats okay okay okay right because you keep it you put them out first I basically I ran the squats and clubs so many times to have perfect runs of those yeah okay to work off of on the
Starting point is 00:33:45 and the final stage once you unlock the shortcuts genuinely don't care hope just ignore the shrines to get the one that's in front of the boss because the final stage is long and the shortcut cuts it down 95% okay the shortcut is basically just walk to the boss I mean so what's interesting is that like by doing the runs and the game is really smartly designed in that in this way too like the skill tree and the shrines being two separate things to invest in on your character one required progression and the other requiring subsequent runs it's like you each run that you do to improve what you're doing you find ways
Starting point is 00:34:29 to bank those points even in skills you don't care about as long as you're working towards a permanent unlock it's worth it you know and I know that from roguelites is like the moment you see something really expensive but it's a permanent unlock absolutely zone in on it don't even bother oh yeah no I before I started taking my like four real runs on the third stage I had permanently unlocked maybe 90% of the total move yeah okay okay there's a couple that are losers there's a couple moves that are just like pointless because you can't interrupt people at certain levels but it's pretty good the most important thing
Starting point is 00:35:07 I could possibly tell you and this is totally vital if you let's say beat the squats at 20 right mm-hmm make sure that's the run that you got all three shrines and you're happy with your upgrades yes I heard because when you beat a level at 20 it locks you can't overwrite it with a new run I got a message about this on a while while I was playing that yeah there's a bug that can be patched currently it's not a bug as much as a design decision but it seems like an oversight but what it is is in terms of all the things you can do to score highly age is the highest priority so if you're age 20 and you do a
Starting point is 00:35:49 shitty run it's going to prioritize that over a better run at any higher age well yeah because I mean you beat it at rank 20 yeah you beat it age 20 you don't need help so you can be fucked over for the subsequent ages on your next levels yeah do you know how to get the true ending well like it's really simple I'm also here's the thing is I've inadvertently caught a detail about the game that I didn't want to know but it whatever this is our jobs it happens so it's a it's premature in my in my gameplay but I've become aware of the fact that you can spare the boss's lives somehow yeah I don't know anything about
Starting point is 00:36:37 that spare spare all of them I don't know what that entails but I that's it you're not you're not gonna figure it out naturally yeah okay well fine fine you can practice it on the first guy it's break his posture until you get to the part where you can do the you know the the kill and then don't okay and then break it again okay and then you get a little button on the screen that says spare okay the important thing and I tested this myself you don't need to do it in one run you can like spare like the boss of level three and then start the run over from the beginning and you'll still have the the completion of you
Starting point is 00:37:23 spared that one okay well yeah so that was kind of like what I was assuming was the case is like going pacifist quote-unquote you know then our game is like stupid excellent yeah flaws though I can name one no multiple actually multiple there's a couple flaws camera fucks around real bad sometimes depends camera will occasionally go insane and kill you and another one is well there's certainly like the balancing of the things you buy like you said it's like there's some of them are incomparable for like looking at that skill tree like the ability to use your environment to kick and knock down
Starting point is 00:38:12 enemies is best ability in the game it's unbelievable that it's even in the same list as other things you know it is so why it's literally it's like it's an entire environmental system that is not there by default it's crazy to think that that is you know comparable but my biggest issue is the training mode is not enough that lab needs more we need the ability I for I forgot it was there yeah I and the camera you also get some weird camera shit in the lab too as someone who loves labbing I took it to to the training mode to figure out the systems and I'm always super happy to see the void in anything you know but I
Starting point is 00:39:00 want more options for putting in a weapon in the enemy's hand or like what type of enemy I'm fighting like there's they should there should be the ability to just you know do what the void does and pick a different enemy turn them on or off and then practice against them at least once you've encountered them right so Devil May Cry 5 will it will be like hey you've now fought against this type of enemy you can go back to the training room and and work on that which becomes like hyper essential for some of the harder ones I feel that that's exactly what this game needs put a weapon in their hands load in different
Starting point is 00:39:41 enemies and load in more than one because the skill of defending against the group is also something you can practice the game I imagine they could have done that the game feels like they just want you to run the stages over and over it is I had to that I I ended up labbing with like I if I kill off a room and there's one guy left who I want to work on I'll let them do their stuff and I'll just spend time dodging and parrying that to learn the moveset I'll treat the stage like the lab if that's what it takes you know yeah so cameras number one for me like occasionally when you do something the camera will just get
Starting point is 00:40:24 itself stuck behind a wall and you're staring at the wall what you're getting beat down and then you fucking die number two is I had a maybe I'm unlucky but I had a bad habit of kicking people under the floor oh no like like doing the sprinting attacks and clipping them right through the fucking ground all the way under the ground and having to restart it okay but that only happened about six or seven times over about 20 hours okay yeah they're also more lines of taunt please yeah you know like at least two or three but yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and assume that like that that age 20 clear thing is the one
Starting point is 00:41:16 that needs the most attention right now yeah no I need I want the ability to do I want to try out new skills and make a new run because even if I started all the way over from squats and got halfway through the instant I die it goes well nope back to the the run you made on you know last Thursday because that's the one you got 20 on and it is this is I don't envy the testing on this game because it is a super unconventional complex progression system you know the momentum you carry going forward into each level is based on what you did in the last level and then the tree is independent of all that so but you've
Starting point is 00:41:55 got three layers of progression interacting with each other and you need to make sure that your permanent unlock stay while you've remixed your your score based on you know your shrines and yeah that remixing process exact is it's not permanent so that's the stuff that I find would be really hard to test I imagine also I I 100% it's all the the like the detective board you don't get anything oh yeah okay like you get an achievement per stage but like I thought I'd be like looking over it and be like oh no they're all they're all just little there's it's just a little collectible details there's no like big mystery to
Starting point is 00:42:40 figure it out mm-hmm okay shout outs to punching someone being the fourth dialogue option yes you know that's always great especially if you do it fast enough and they don't have taken off guard you just instantly go into the takedown because they're like what what just happened yeah I like that and yeah no all shout outs to subsequent runs revealing to you where some hidden weapons are in the rooms that you might not have noticed the first time there are hidden weapons all over the place that are just out of sight do you know you wouldn't okay there's a there's a trick with the knife there's a knife
Starting point is 00:43:36 weapon that you can get in the third stage onwards I picked it up where did I see the knife I've got somewhere I saw the knife somewhere yeah okay so do you know that you can just instantly kill people with the knife oh my god really throw so no it's the the charged back fist so you know you charge the back fist you get one swipes hand lower yeah yeah yeah yeah if you do that with the knife he just stabs him in there or she just stabs him in the in the chest they just die oh my god okay but it uses up the knife okay but what it means is that there are there are times in which you go into an area and you're like you know
Starting point is 00:44:16 there's the obvious yeah the heavy mm-hmm I gouge stab stab done what about gone what about if you use the upgrade keep it use the weapon till it's broken it doesn't matter okay that breaks it the the use a weapon until it's broken what that does is suck shit compared to what it it says it does the descriptions they're enough definitely so when get extra durability on shit that would break when you throw it no it's the bat turns into a bottle for one hit the staff turns into a bat and then disintegrates and the knife you can just throw once it's broken like it's literally like one or two extra hits and most of them are
Starting point is 00:45:06 thrown items okay okay um yeah no game is excellent and I've only played the first two levels of it a lot you know but yeah it's one of those games that is so absolutely excellent top-to-bottom it looks great it sounds great it feels great it's a blast it's smart it's interesting you know like it's it's a plus that in other years I would have been able to say this might be the game of the year already except it's February of 2022 and it's coming out smartly two weeks before Elden Ring something that so you you talk to a lot of PR people right in this line of work when you talk to people about codes and whatnot this
Starting point is 00:46:07 is the first time I've ever in my career been talking to people and they will straight up go oh yeah dude got to get out of the way Elden Ring lol also sifu is a you know it's not it's a game that's short right this is a short tight experience it's not meant yeah I'm prolong completely done with it now it's not meant to prolong over a super long period of time yeah unless you want to get the the hardest achievement which has beat the game under 25 oh yeah okay which I am I think my my lowest is like 45 or 46 I would assume that would have been like do a perfect run completely essentially that is considered a perfect
Starting point is 00:46:54 run yeah 25 well yeah because 25 is one death per stage okay right okay um what was I gonna say the there's something about it ah shit I don't know something else I was gonna point out about it that's really good but yeah I I really I hope that like you know I love to see when a dev team can you know take some potential and realize it into something fucking sick like this and and that it blows them up you know it elevates the profile this in particular I hope that you know maybe a year from now we see like seafood like two new stages DLC update well they're all they're already
Starting point is 00:47:48 putting out an update in like the near near future did they I haven't seen it okay so it is going to be more accessibility options like closed captioning stuff and that kind of thing and they're adding an easy and a hard mode oh okay I don't know what the fuck the hard mode is going to be I hope it's not like you take more it is from deal less it is very likely just that okay the game seems like too too deliberately tuned like there's so many almost every encounter has dudes like walking out and talking shit like I don't think you can just add five more dudes and then then something else too is like realizing
Starting point is 00:48:38 like what areas of a room have interactable like surfaces I didn't realize that like literally the first room you walk into in the squats you can crawl up the wall yeah and because I'm just looking around I was like oh there's two little spaces there that looks like something I can oh shit you totally can you know or what was the other one in the trial of dexterity I know trial of whatever the first trial yeah you can not I'm up the size of the wall not only climb up the wall where there's the two broken wall areas you can do a jump across yeah I done that encounter maybe 30 40 times before I figured that I
Starting point is 00:49:25 thought I was just fighting on the lower stage exclusively yeah no like there's I've broken to do that fight efficiently I've broken it up into two segments like ambush the the dudes on the right on the first room run back up the wall and then take on the rest you know yeah anyway it just it just feels excellent and satisfying fucking yeah seafood you know good game good game excellent good game good good good game very very combat intensive if you're someone that likes you know the getting your ass beat and then getting back up and trying to fucking learn the pattern and improve on it then by all means this is this is
Starting point is 00:50:12 this is for you check it out yeah it absolutely has the the incredible like total mastery emotion where like the easiest one is like old boy hallway where the beginning goes from like oh man I made it to like these dudes are a joke yeah there's a flow and you can keep it going and that sort of like enemy to enemy seamlessness and keeping an eye on like evading incoming shit while you're dealing with the one in front of you as well as strategic use of your iframes on takedowns I'll tell you what I'll tell you who the most hated enemy in the entire game is for me the blonde girl with a bob cut in the first big room
Starting point is 00:50:59 the club kickers no no the blonde with the the the bob hair the first character you see going into the the big club room in the club because if you don't take her out immediately she'll go way off camera and throw bottles at you the whole fight from off camera the for oh okay the first room in the club right yeah the first I don't even know that because I always take her out first regardless yeah well now I do I just she's just the first person in my line of sight I like to interesting I didn't know she does that and then the guy that's well dressed is always gonna be a little harder than the rest of that that yeah
Starting point is 00:51:41 and whatever yeah you just you learn to memorize that run oh I don't know you probably figured this out already but did you know that if you suspect a character is gonna become a secret badass like you know when you go to yeah yeah yeah and they do the fancy animation yeah you suspect that they're gonna do that because you've killed most of the people in the room and nobody has done it yet yeah just just beat them down with regular punches they won't transition into the the stronger version if you don't do a takedown on them yeah if you don't do the takedown on it doesn't happen interesting I didn't know
Starting point is 00:52:13 that so you can get these situations where you're like one of these people in this room always gonna get a rager tougher version yeah so don't use takedowns on a them to beat them all down okay because I was gonna say strategic use of your iframes on takedowns for healing and for avoiding what's going around you is pretty useful and that ends up more or less replacing what was stances in absolver because you have to pay attention to four orientations of like which way you were facing in that game and while still keeping all that defensive shit in your mind you know and in this case it's like
Starting point is 00:52:49 okay you're not gonna worry about your stance anymore just focus on the group and if three dudes are fucking swinging hard at you you're not gonna parry all of those just get the fuck out you know use your big run sprint jump over the table run away be Jackie Chan it doesn't matter you know this game kind of makes me feel bad for absolver that absolver because like I knew absolver had a multiplayer component before it came out but like I kind of expected absolver to basically be seafood but also there's multiplayer also multiplayer okay okay and when I started up absolver I played it for like an hour and I was
Starting point is 00:53:27 like what the fucking hell is this and it was like seafood is what I wanted yeah it's absolver is no narrative fight world you know and learning learning skills involves seeing them in the wild and defeating your enemy or learning to counter them you know but anyway um fucking sick okay well we I know I said we had to move but taking the time to talk about this this incredible game is worked at the time certainly I cannot wait to jump back in and yeah I'll keep that shit in mind it's bothering me there's one last thing I was holding on that I wanted to say that some fucking I'm stuck on but I remember it's gone
Starting point is 00:54:11 isn't it yeah well did you go dude or check I went with a guy okay I want that beard so I like the beard shag of getting older looks super rad but I went punch girl in the end cuz I was like I think that's cool too you know so like okay you know what I actually do have a problem with the game like a real problem if you're doing excellently and you stay in your 20s your character looks like shit compared to the character in their 30s and 40s yeah that the getting more ragged as you go is a fun idea and you know I actually so I don't mind it but it is a thing that when I first heard about the aging mechanic I misinterpreted
Starting point is 00:54:52 it completely I thought it was every time you fail to take your revenge you have to go back and train and come back when you're older and that the game was about someone spending their life you know going through magic amulet yeah yeah yeah so like the idea of like remember me from ten years ago well look at me now is kind of a cool thing but it's not actually that you know yeah it also gets you a great moment when a boss kills you like literally 18 19 25 years in a row and just starts go dude I can literally just do this all day yeah stop it yeah no it's magic magic amulet shit instead but it's fine hell yeah
Starting point is 00:55:40 okay other stuff I guess I'll take it I only have like one other thing I suppose and go ahead have fun okay let me take a sip over here so very briefly this week they did a open beta for brawlverse and that was the game that showed up at the game awards that had an art style that looked like goofy sort of looking you know triangle shaped mr. incredible style characters and it was then battle royal rumble remember the podcast joke we made what the fuck is this better remember battle royal rumble no I'm thinking of brawl I'm looking at brawlverse wait what did I say you said brawl verse I'm sorry rumble verse rumble verse oh my
Starting point is 00:56:45 oh bad rumble verse sorry rumble verse is the correct title of the game we made a joke a while ago about back on the old show about the fusing of player unknowns battlegrounds except it's wrestling and then right this is the wrestling exactly it's the wrestling battle royale so battle royale rumble and then like you have to take out your your opponents until there's one standing and the ring encloses and as you get out of the ring slowly you know you have to have one person left and then we had pinfalls and Irish whips and all kinds of goofy shit in that right so someone made that game and that was
Starting point is 00:57:34 that was that was the bit now of course it's not that it's not the kind of idea that is that is immune to parallel thinking or whatever so all dumb jokes aside like iron galaxy coming up with this and going forward is like yeah I believe that because it's a pretty that's definitely a concept that could work so that art style initially put me off when I saw it and I didn't know what I was looking at and it still does I'm not down with the art style I think it's the biggest thing that is probably going to impede its its launch with some people that are like I just don't like the way these characters look but the
Starting point is 00:58:11 gameplay is super fucking solid it's really fun and you're not going to the art style is gonna do what it does and I know the last time we talked about it yeah you did you felt the same way like it just it's not it wasn't yeah I'm looking at footage right now and I'm torn because while it's visually ugly yeah the stuff that's happening is really cool so let me break it down here's what happens you launch in a out of a cannon into a giant battle royale city of which a giant ring that is like wrestling ring ropes enclose on you like a battle royale if you're out of the ring for ten seconds you hear a ref count
Starting point is 00:58:58 down from ten and then you're eliminated right as the as it encloses you land and you have of you have a basic combo a basic great like so you do like you do like a three-hit combo and that causes a knockdown you have triangle which is a grab that automatically does like a like a German suplex type of thing then you've got a block an evasive roll a jump and yeah and then and then like an elbow drop when you're when you're attacking in the air right mm-hmm okay so now first thing to note is if you'd climb up a building and grab somebody and do a suplex off of the building the height you're doing it
Starting point is 00:59:44 from adds damage modifiers that hurt okay if you see good someone running on the street and you jump off of a skyscraper an elbow drop them from the top of the skyscraper it becomes a massive explosion AOE thing that does way more damage so the height you do things from spectacularly adds more to what you you're to your impact right to you find boxes like you wouldn't in battle royale like apex style gate things where it's like oh there's a box that's gold that one has some some rares in it or there's a purple that's a rare or whatever and each of these boxes contains either health items upgrades
Starting point is 01:00:25 for your stats of which you can have a maximum of 10 you can choose to either upgrade your strength your stamina and I think your speed mm-hmm as as freely you can you can be like all glass can and all strength nothing else or you can do right like each one but you have 10 total and then you also find moves you will find a move that is your r1 on your l1 and these are where you find a sure you can you find a hundred-hand slap you find a an SPD right and some of them you find like a charged sure you can that has like extra explosion and iframes on it it's like a rare sure you can or you'll find a poison mist you
Starting point is 01:01:13 know and there's a bunch of special moves that you find in these crates and they and then you can trade them out if you come across another one right super kick you want to do a shot Michaels bam send them flying off the building they fall to the ground from far away take extra damage or if you recover in mid air you can climb on buildings like Hulk ultimate destruction so that you can traverse the whole map it's not just about crawling up a staircase to get to the top of a building literally climb it Hulk style you have everyone can jump anywhere and do anything it's it's you have tons tons of control in your
Starting point is 01:01:50 movement then of course you have access to like yeah like some of the super badass moves is Zuna drops of course you have all that fun stuff and then you have a super which builds up when you either fill your bar to 100 by fighting or by collecting stars and you do that super the defaults I believe is just a giant SPD that is like not just the SPD but like the toss up and catch in the air you know style fucking whatever super insane damage on that or if you don't spend that super bar and you die with it it acts like TJ combo and it's a resurrection so you get a second breath you got a last breath you know this
Starting point is 01:02:44 is iron galaxy they designed killer instinct season 2 and up they know what the fuck they're doing of course you're gonna see shit in there all of that comes together into a fucking fun experience where you find somebody and you play you fight it out with them you knock them to the ground and then they have the option to either do a wake-up attack they can wake up by rolling away from you and if you read that hard you can chase them down and do it a grab as soon as they recover you know and when you kill them they drop all their items you pick them up and then you find the next person it's a battle royale but
Starting point is 01:03:19 you're fucking duking it out in a fun combat system and you find a better move or you find more rare moves by killing people or by you know doing all the battle royale things you would like traversing areas that are higher risk high reward and then you try to just build out your character to survive as the ring closes in it's fucking great man I invented this game it was like I've been watching footage the whole time even talking and listening you I'm like this is literally the idea we came up with the idea we came up on the podcast it's not the type of idea that only we could come up with certainly when the
Starting point is 01:04:03 timer is finishing up it says ring and closing and it has a picture of a wrestling ring or does again I would say that anybody who plays fighting games and knows how they work well someone like Keats you know certainly would be able to go like hey you know what's cool fighting games you know what else is pretty popular battle royales what if though you know so anyway that's that's the report is that the game is fucking fun man and it's it's something that I'm definitely gonna spend time on because it's addictive I was first told by my friend Esteban from hold back to block shoutouts to the channel the no
Starting point is 01:04:51 clip documentaries and such that like he's like I planned to do a bunch of work today and then I got on this beta and then my day evaporated and I was like yeah okay you know and then I went and just tried it and it was only up for like two hours there's a very short open beta but man I felt it right away like it took a couple seconds to get used to like even so there's games that have like what I call phone hud layouts where like the main menu is like yeah it's like a bunch of floating windows that are meant to just be touched on a phone and clicked on maybe but I'm just I'm not used to that kind of thing I'm just
Starting point is 01:05:26 like I give me a list of options here but it took a second to get to figure that out went to a character creator you know and I was like I don't like this art style I made an ugly character but it's fine I'll figure it out Luke but it was a cool whatever in the end I made it I made a lucha above lucha girl in a tux so I'm like yeah that's fine we'll work with that I like that aesthetic we'll work around this work around this and then you just get into the game and then the tips are there and being like okay fucking fight people and survive and last the longest and find good moves and the moves you find are like really cool
Starting point is 01:05:59 like like useful moves some of which are extra effective when you like you fake someone out by charging it up longer and then as they come towards you like you expect like oh they get it they start blocking and then you go like I waited for you to stop blocking and then I blew your shit up you know or you land an elbow drop from the top of the fucking Eiffel Tower onto two people fighting and they just that they just melt you know what I mean that shit is so when is this supposed to actually come out let's take a look I don't know I don't know because when I was when I was looking at their website they're like
Starting point is 01:06:39 sign up for early access we'll let you know and I'm like February 12th yeah no that's that's that's just that's the beta that wasn't that wasn't the real thing yeah that's let's not accurate huh we've announced that we are deciding not to launch it on February 15 I saw I just saw yeah early reports are saying it was to be released on the 15th and now they just updated that the first I do release will be February 12 a new release date has not been given oh no okay somebody failed compliance whatever work on it tighten it up that's fine because I was ready to hop into this
Starting point is 01:07:34 right now after seeing this footage and hearing you sell it well it's not it's the beta is closed yeah no give it to me though sure I want to do the suplex man these characters are ugly as shit it's the thing it's the it's the fucking it's the deflate it's the tire deflate it's the crook in my fucking when are they the stitch in my side you know what are they gonna make like a fucking like like can we get more care battle royales that are character action games right then fill it with all the weeb shit that we would want to see yeah also what there's one special that's called the wrecked shot and uh-huh they knock you into the
Starting point is 01:08:22 air into the air spin with their arms out and then do a giant soccer bicycle kick uh-huh and it's a jack shot yeah so there's one of the taunts is your arm clips all the way through your body backwards and then spins forward and does a thumbs up like the referee in that wwe 19 most man it's an it's like one of the unlockable one of the taunts you assign is the fucking weird wwe bug where your elbow just glitches out it's fucking it's great it's it's really great um hell I mean look I at this point it's it's the game is built the way it is so the art style is what it is certainly I would I would only say like like add
Starting point is 01:09:17 more body types and then clothing over time that will allow for other style characters to I have a question about body types in that game does your characters body type affect them at all other than their visuals not that I've noticed not that okay because I want it because I see there are some dudes that are just like spider-verse kingpin looking dudes yes there are so there are so there's uh I think there's six body types and it's pretty much like um spider-verse kingpin um Mr. Incredible uh or um I don't know Frozone no maybe a little thick oh yeah but you know what I mean human being ish and then and then that's
Starting point is 01:10:07 then that's what you get um guy and girl you know so yeah um we'll see we'll see but but I'm telling you right now gameplay fucking you know like yeah it was it was solid for that those those those couple games we played I'm gonna need to see you know uh uh how it all looks over time and servers and all that jazz but the other thing is that this is uh epic right like this is I believe they're they're publishing or it's yeah that's when I went to the early sign up I said I want to play it on the console yeah yeah yeah exactly so that's the other thing to consider certainly um but uh I mean the game just like seafood that I played on a console yep and you know what I'll even go as far as to say that um what this does and what
Starting point is 01:11:00 I'm getting out of this is what I was hoping for from Ninjala okay I see what you mean this is doing more of what I wanted when I saw Ninjala the first time yeah um that's it so I just I can't wait to get more on this man like I can't wait to see fortnite's melee edition that'll be coming out next week oh god fucking watch you spider-man with the katana sword but um if you want to see uh our time with it that video is going to come out this week uh as well so get into fighting games rumble verse um is going to be coming out uh yeah I think we got in probably a total of like 10 matches maybe or so um great also um I didn't get to do it because we were just learning the ropes but there's like there's totally like the uh the first thing you see when you get in is there's
Starting point is 01:12:03 like I think you can like squat up and do like a team of four and you know um yeah you can you can queue up with a group or whatever but in a game like this like solo queue can't be that bad because you're fucking you're here to beat everybody anyways you know what I mean like it's not it's not an apex three three v three situation oh I've got I've gotten something to talk about with that actually yeah in just a minute so no that anyway that's that that's pretty much that um so if you want to check out uh the channel over on willy versus uh we twitch and then we youtube we do we do it all for you it's all for you um you can check out sifu you can check out rumble verse coming uh more guilty gear strive of course and uh bloodborne continues uh that game's
Starting point is 01:12:52 fucking great and I love the things they're having fun with there's some there's some fun complete uh changes to uh expectations that they're having fun with and and god bless them um uh those are very cool um god did I still can't remember that seafood thing huh yeah that's gone um did I talk about everhood last week yeah yeah okay all right so that you had this very bizarre everhood so it's pretty cool except for the that was the emotion I got off of you yeah so this is the game that's that's gonna make a whole lot of people that are hyper into it super like you know upset if they hear something they don't like about it and that's what it is but the truth is that there's some very cool things in it but also some fucked up things about the
Starting point is 01:13:53 story that I find not great and uh I do in the LP like we we have a big discussion I think me and Reggie sit down after we beat it on that initial run and talk for about half an hour about like the things going on with the story in this game um and I think that um that is like it's it's it's a long thing there's a whole bunch to it and I feel like that covers most of it if you think that I'm someone that like just gassed myself up and created a version of the game and then ignored the narrative for what they were trying to do and such I implore you to listen to that and then see if I'm still if you think I'm still coming at this in bad faith certainly but uh here's what I'll tell you if I can summarize in short is the gameplay is
Starting point is 01:14:45 fucking phenomenal in this game it's super good um the music is awesome um but there are there are some there are some design decisions that are a little bit like uh there there there there's some stuff that I find a bit I guess obnoxious is is a one way of describing it but it it's like for example there's an there's a there's a there's a joke hallway in the game that says this hallway goes on forever you don't want to go down there right but um if you choose to walk down it it leads to an ending it takes four hours of walking to get there okay yeah so yeah if you're willing to do that you're willing to do a lot of wild shit with how you design your game and um in this particular case uh there's a whole thing about the twist of it and if you're gonna play everhood
Starting point is 01:15:44 I don't and you don't I don't want to and you haven't played it yet or whatever I don't necessarily want to spoil these twists so um you know I mean I guess like tune out if you right now if you don't want to hear anything about that um but like god we have so much to cover I'm gonna try to just move to this very quickly uh there is a a a core aspect to the game which is that um initially you are playing defensively and dodging things um and then eventually you regain uh the ability you regain your arm which is what you're seeking when you play because you're you're you're red gino and then you regain your arm and then that arm gives you the ability to kill and cool um the world is such that like it reminds you enough of Undertale that you're like well I
Starting point is 01:16:33 should probably be a pacifist and not kill people because that's probably bad and then the game kind of goes uh aha but like um being a pacifist in this situation is actually not the obvious uh uh good choice because there's more happening to the in this setting that is trying to imply that you can you can kill things and still uh and that can be the right choice right um so the the core message the game is kind of getting at is that uh essentially death is not something that you have to be afraid of it's okay to to get comfortable with it and to kind of embrace it um have you have you seen uh the Midnight Gospel with Duncan Trussell no okay and Pendental Ward it's very good it's a it's a really great short animated series and um it is uh basically
Starting point is 01:17:25 about people on drugs tripping and also come into conclusions about life and it's pretty it's pretty solid uh are you telling me that the moral of everhood is genocide is good actually yes um but the thing well I that wasn't even really a serious question well I was kind of being facetious well you're getting an answer uh because the deal that that it's going for against spoilers is that uh the people in this world are uh immortal beings and some of them have and they and and like existing forever is a torture right and the idea uh over time is that like even memories are being lost and like all kinds of fucked up things are happening right so some people you encounter are like oh god please kill me right this existence is terrible right um and other people you encounter are like
Starting point is 01:18:25 leave me alone don't touch me and the game more or less has a has a pathway that leads you through like by put by fighting against it you're like bad for kind of like letting everyone continue to suffer in this way and that you're supposed to embrace the idea that like um no you're doing them a mercy right but the thing is is that in order to they the the the idea is that you're supposed to look at it and realize that at some point these are all wounded deers on the side of the road who you're putting out of their misery instead of um actually uh uh murdering them but the problem is and from my framing that the moment you decide to take someone's life that doesn't want that life to be taken you are a murderer and i cannot yeah i will die on that hill go
Starting point is 01:19:19 no bro put that gun down i cannot and will not ever ethically compromise on that because that's not your decision to make right so the message that death is not that scary and we should become a comfort uh acquainted with it so that when the time comes we don't fight against it and there's also literally a a a a buddhist theme in it like he shows up in the game um it is not a message that i think is is uh uh something it's a message i think people should be aware of right become comfortable with your mortality and contemplate it if you fear it don't fear it just be aware that it's inevitable this is a good message the problem is when you are that message is a lot more quiet than the sound of stifling someone out that doesn't want to go you don't get to decide
Starting point is 01:20:12 you are not the arbiter of life and death but the game then treats you like that's the right thing but then also like you'll i'm i'm shaving off time here but that's the corp complaint right so ever hood posits the idea that james sunderland did nothing wrong this is why it's so good that i played silent hill two right before this the parallel is unbelievable it's so on point the amazing thing about silent hill two god bless that the timing of that is that it's the same type of dilemma right but here's the deal james one understands that complexity and it's and it's and it's presented in a way where the person well step one is he's already done it and the journey you are on is about his guilt right it's already done and he
Starting point is 01:21:23 just feels like a piece of shit over it like a human would to the person he did it to was also someone who was like oh god i don't want to die but also please help me right so the person he did it to his wife is the person who also was like no somewhere inside me i know that i want him to do this but also the complexity of fearing death is ugly bruce brutal reality that is never going to be clean so that so when uh she fights back against it to some degree it's understandable because that's that's what human beings do it's never it's not a clean thing um so in whereas in this case you are you have not done the thing yet and you're kind of being gaslit into thinking that the thing is right and that you should not necessarily feel guilty but you are going to
Starting point is 01:22:25 and then it has lines that address that but if you choose to not do it the game kind of gives you an ending that more or less goes okay well um you fought back you chose not to kill anybody here's a super boss credits role nothing happens right now if you all i would and what i kind of come to the conclusion on is like if the point if you're someone who's looking at this and going no dude they're suffering they're forgetting it what they're what their lives are like their memories are fucked up look at all the horrible things they're going through some of them have gone through these dark dark things and it's it's still a mercy for you to come in and do this right what could have helped there is if you decide to stay hardline pacifist and then you go back in
Starting point is 01:23:11 you hit that credits and then you go back in um show the thing that turns the world from a group of people who don't want you to murder them into a group of people who are clearly wounded deers on the side of the road oh man if you show me a way of making that leap and you you massage that journey you make it so that the framing changes and then you feel more on board with that narrative and don't just put in a line at the end that says hey man i you know what it turns out after you killed me i didn't realize that there was some stuff that i really needed you to do and thank you for doing that go ahead i have a question teach i think i know the answer to what the jump is the jump is well i know better yeah yeah and that's an uncomfortable message yes it is extremely
Starting point is 01:24:11 authoritarian and i don't fuck with it at all i don't have an i know what's best for grandma i know she says she doesn't want to go to the home but you smell you do not decide that's the problem i had and that is the most uncomfortable takeaway with everything it's doing in addition to subverting your expectations of what the genocide run and pacifist runs are supposed to be because that's the other thing it's doing um and like um it just and the there's a point where characters are like there's some of them that are like having these moments that you start to pop up towards the end to be like hey you killed me and and then there's there's anyway there's a there's a bunch of other stuff that happens too where like it turns out that you're not the killer there's some another
Starting point is 01:25:02 character and it's on them but whatever none of that matters in the end it's it's just this messaging but there's moments where the characters that are that were killed then have these these of the ability to kind of like talk beyond the grave and do a bit of that like you know hey well maybe it was good that you killed me stuff and um the other thing so silent hill one was the first thing that like created a a thought in my mind about that's a fucking bullshit cop out so so so here's the thing that's so stupid so here i hate that and here's what's insanely fucked up about it and this is getting real now do you remember the documentary i just talked about yeah one of the most fucked up things that happens in that is the murderer looking to frame like filming a scene
Starting point is 01:25:48 where the people that he killed go thank you for killing me i'm in heaven now uh you deserve a medal for what you did it's a thing that actually goes through the mind of someone who's completely a fucking super you know if they if they were here right now they would tell me i did the right thing it literally you get to and that just happened in a thing and then i'm watching it being recreated in this thing that's kind of trying to bring you towards the same ethical conclusions so it was super fucked to see that right i'm like i don't like you going and then of course there's the other part where some of the what's happening in the game too is like once you start the murder path like there's like things where like oh the music goes away the text turns red you're
Starting point is 01:26:31 it's it's spooky it's it's bad you're doing the dark thing but it's the thing we want you to do but it's the dark thing well woolly sometimes you need to do the bad thing to serve the greater good thing and then in the end a bunch of people apologize to you and go i know it must have been hard i'm sorry you had to go through that i know i'm sorry i really appreciate you erin but in the end it was the good thing and i'm just like i can't i can't get on board with this at all from that from that point of view um that being said the fucking music rocks and the gameplay is great and it is absolutely still worth playing to do this amazing journey of like deflecting uh uh uh and and and dodging and all those super bosses and all that stuff that like
Starting point is 01:27:24 pulls the most out of you is worth it you know it feels like there's gonna be like a fucking twink with long silver hair that tells you you did nothing wrong at the end well it's it's not so much a twink with long silver hair um it's it's a it's a frog and uh it's it's it's a it's it's frog with a banjo really yeah really yeah straight up you did okay um but also there's a bit of like like don't worry why you're doing this it'll you it's for a good reason you'll find out later and so you don't so what i told you is a reveal and not necessarily a like here's from the get go this is why you're doing it it's a there's a a point at which if you're going down this murderous path you don't know why you're doing it but you're just being
Starting point is 01:28:15 ushered forward to the next murder you know i have to say it's it's a kind of unfair stereotype after undertale came out that was like indie rpg that's about depression and murder and tells you you're a bad person or whatever because there actually aren't that many of those it's actually much more common they're just have a theme um this sounds like that fake game but real though this sounds like the it's the undertale clone that's it's not an undertale clone but it's the you know what i mean right like um but no that's that's the deal that basically is that um there is a this is the game where there's a solar guy and with a banjo that fights you in his underwear will you do a ddr game and the thing and it doesn't yes yes exactly that's the one okay good and it
Starting point is 01:29:13 doesn't like the thing is just that it assumes you're either on board with their viewpoint of of like what the right thing to do in the situation is or that you are close enough that you'll feel bad about it but you'll walk over by the end and if you're someone who fundamentally disagrees from the jump as to what you what the right thing to do is here um then it feels like it does it just does nothing to address that side of it you know the oh yeah cuz like you're you're you're describing like well the people who have immortality like it sucks yeah but you're immortal though you'll get over it but but in the end you have like there is like no but you are the arbiter that decides that you know they like yes they they suffer they suffer and it's up to you to put them
Starting point is 01:30:00 out of their misery and that way the world can reset and we can all reincarnate as well because there's also a concept of like you know people you have a die and become gasters and stuff you you can you if you live forever you can work out you can work out your problems um um um it's fine um uh god shit uh the other thing that would have been acceptable as far as like trying to navigate the pathway to something um you know come like something that feels right would have been one to either show me that the people who are running from me terrified or fighting back and not wanting to die are wounded deers show me that pathway or if you don't do that the other thing was let those who are telling you please kill me my suffering is terrible
Starting point is 01:30:53 please end it oh god it hurts oh god it hurts like then help those people who choose yeah sure and leave the ones alone who want to be left alone i don't know man maybe maybe i'm just incompatible with this kind of game but like i'm watching the trailer and it's on silent in the background here and there's the part where it's like hi indie music ha right uh and then it just zooms in with like white on red text on a black background like would you sacrifice your humanity to receive immortality and it's all like scary bold i'm just like yeah oh yeah you well this is this is like that this is previously treaded ground that's like oh man maybe uh maybe this game's uh incompatible with a lot of people's existing beliefs like overtly because like everything
Starting point is 01:31:39 you're describing i'm like i don't understand just they're gonna live forever though leave them alone so that's it like you either show show how bad it gets or um do something to to negotiate or massage that point so that i can i can hear you out on it or i guess like let those who want to die die and those who want to live live and they are the ones who choose their outcome right um like silent hill too if um if james just chose on his own to fucking grab the pillow with handle that's the whole crux of it is that he doesn't know if he did he's not 100 sure why what the actual moment was was it the oh i'm horrible and pain yada yada or was it i'm sick of this right regardless of the outcome and the actual physical reality his problem is the fear that
Starting point is 01:32:41 i was just like no sick of this so i'm not like i'm doing it for the best i i read that i read that um stronger than that was um she desired this but also fears it and i'm doing it because she she wants it but part of me wants it also wants it and the part of me that wants it too i fucking hate that i feel that that's my read on it is oh my god i'm a monster i'm feeling relief at what i'm doing that that's my read on james you know um but that's a very different game if she never i don't remember a tenet of buddhism being like go around and murder people so no it's but the what's introduced here is a concept that's more about again embracing the end when it's inevitable and allowing the next phase to come allowing the cycle to oh and if you're not going to embrace it
Starting point is 01:33:47 all embrace it for you this is this is go to hell this is what i don't like and i will not accept you know um so that's what it is is there's a there's a um a retroactive like posthumous feeling of comfort for doing the bad thing but it doesn't take away the fact that people even immortal even if you know that there is a propensity for suffering still deserve their autonomy and you are not the authority or the arbiter of death that chooses when they have to go they decide i am i am though yeah um and i just i have a red arm but i cannot stress how awesome it is playing through those fucking boss fights though like it really is a good time um and it it makes me sweat and like i i fucking god i i some of them were just like oh some of them were
Starting point is 01:34:55 brutal also the eye searing like um quality of of the there's there's a there's a a warning for flashing lights and they're not kidding it gets ridiculous with the flashing lights um take it super seriously uh but this is this is what it is right i guess so that that's that's that's the discussion more or less and um you know i think that like a lot of people that were yelling at me and sending me angry messages on various you know medias and such um were upset because the second to last session when i start to realize what's going on i just kind of laughed and like as it was sinking in because i was like oh my god are they actually doing this and then like i was just like oh love this gameplay boo you know and then like um there are a bunch of people that you know
Starting point is 01:35:51 kind of came off of that going like woolly's doing the thing where he's created a version of the game in his head and he's now angry that the one that he's playing has not become that and fuck that i like this game and i don't know i assume that you usually commit a a game in your mind that is that's not going to look at you and go genocide is good actually and the game has overwhelmingly positive reviews for understandable reasons on on so i know that this is not a popular opinion here i i realize that but what all i'm getting at is that like you know if you think i just hastily jumped to some dumb a dumb conclusion and that it was not based on what was happening and me having serious problems with it then let's have a discussion about that i'll talk to you
Starting point is 01:36:34 about the exact point where this whole journey loses me and why i mean that makes me immensely uncomfortable for the rest of the path you know the way you're describing this is in any way accurate as somebody in the chat just pointed out that the core message of this game is bordering on simultaneous to uh the villainous alien motivation of the marker from dead space that makes you kill yourself so you can become a blob because it's all about that next phase man yeah i i don't know i feel like there's potential for a deeply personal story about someone like here's the other thing too um like on a person the irony of course is that i actually felt very similarly to how you're describing about like transistor okay um there's a like where i got to the end and it just had
Starting point is 01:37:30 this weird like i don't like what i think it's trying to tell me okay okay um i see i see what you mean i think the um the other thing as well was that was going through my mind was just about like you know a lot of there's been a lot of loss over the last two years and people uh i've i've spoken to and and and such have you know um dealt with this idea of like how comfortable are people yeah sorry it looked like you were interjecting no i wasn't okay so the idea of how comfortable um people are with the concept of finality and death is actually a important subject right and like being not the person who's like no no fuck that like it is is there's something that is is i don't know like like there it can be torturous um at the same time there's a part of me that is
Starting point is 01:38:33 super down and loves the words rage rage against the dying of the light do not go gentle into that good night and my and and my condition is do not go gentle into that good night which is being enforced upon you by someone else if it is not and if it is it if it is it is a natural thing if it is you know it is time and it has it is just um it's occurring as the way life does then there is a there is a grace to the comfort of of understanding and being familiar with moving on but if someone about all that shit but if someone is like if i'm about to die you should put me in a robot but if someone is bringing it to you rage rage against the dying of the light you know i like i can i can hold these two concepts in both hands um so it just it just
Starting point is 01:39:30 read as as as like to someone who was looking to address this story and feel comfort from this message that underlying thing was louder but um but it it it wasn't to me you know all right we have to move on you know what i'll say though sifu had a good message and that is revenge feels it's fucking cool as shit it's fucking sick you see how i oh man you see that little bop on the head i got john look a bow um you can check out see what i do uh you can check out sifu rumbleverse blood born uh and uh everhood on the willy versus uh my throat sorry yeah and also we are going to be taking a look uh this week uh at uh yeah we're gonna check out kof and um i'm also gonna do a little bit of research into it first but uh there is a kick starter
Starting point is 01:40:37 for an indie fighting game called drag her which is based on uh ruPaul's drag race and uh i think there's only one character in it so i'm gonna see how much i we can do but i'm gonna take a look at that as well possibly this week and uh i'm gonna probably call in punch mom on the assist since she knows more about drag race than uh i do so yeah uh look forward to that where you go fast in a line right uh yeah with the big wheels at the back of the car and the parachutes at the end so check that out goes rah rah rah and then and then the loser of the in the in the big car gets their wig snatched yep that's willy versus all right so this is what oh goodbye this is one of those fun days where you said we have to hurry and then you talked for an hour and 48 minutes
Starting point is 01:41:33 i apologize i'm sorry i didn't realize that the everhood discussion didn't happen i thought it did and then i was reminded midway through that it didn't happen and i went fuck i was planning to just shoot past it because i'm sitting here like i got like four games they're gonna talk about i i'm i'm sorry it just their stuff and and um you know don't dodge the ever the everhood discussion coward okay i won't but also the there's an entire nintendo direct a bunch of platinum news and some other shit going on so you know who cares about those things hey let me tell you okay so i'm gonna i did so luckily enough for uh me and you and everyone out there uh my thoughts on the stuff i played this week aren't nearly as deep as the
Starting point is 01:42:27 ones you had about uh everhood though i mean they're not as deep as our thoughts on seafo in general uh so in order play ko f15 over the weekend here or there um i like the roster i don't know how i feel about the new guys they're all weirdos and shun e looks like a fucking idiot he's a shun e whatever he's a shun e that's the that's the word and that kid with the pillow i i think he's old i hate him men tenkin his gimmick is sleeping i hate him yeah um not quite a shenwu so i'll be honest and it's one of those things that i don't know if it's like embarrassing to to admit it's like i was so much more willing to give this game a chance just because it looks so much better than 14 visually like it looks like a full
Starting point is 01:43:20 generational upgrade over 15 and that's not to say it looks really good i'm saying 14 looked really bad and i still very much miss the sprites and i'm not gonna put and i'm not gonna put tons of time into this because i fighting games that i feel like i've the ship has sailed on me on this one but of the time that i spent with ko f for 15 15 uh it feels good to play i think it looks a lot the roster is overall nice i think it looks i think it's probably gonna be good it looks a lot better uh there's a couple of animations that are that look a little uh odd and they're mainly just trying to do 3d versions of things that worked like uh visually in 2d where it's a little awkward um and i hope that whatever visual style they go with later um marries itself to uh an art
Starting point is 01:44:19 director's like vision a bit more because simply rendering the characters in 3d is one way to translate your game and the other way is to pick an artist and and go with that art style and like for all the stuff about the the weird hands and the street fighter 4 ken faces and stuff um or five rather um they do go with an art style that looks like ackee man's art and then the ink lines and the stuff they're doing is like it is an art choice it is a there's a a bold art choice happening outside of just uh converting to 3d um i will say so overall looks a lot better and feels good though there is a single detail in it that visually looks really bad and it's a really important detail and it's uh the particle effects and color of all the fire in the game
Starting point is 01:45:29 looks terrible and it looks terrible in a really really specific way that is going to hurt you the more video games you play because they are straight up the unreal engine default combustion effects yes being colored the different colors and it's the colors that i believe this is just a gut feeling are standard with unreal because when you play on real engine games you see certain blues and oranges and i don't know that show up all the time no no those ones i don't know if it's the defaults but i do know that it is a standardized combustion effect that goes all the way back to when i was making stuff in 3d studio max right um you have a way of creating particles and fire and things that is uh either like like at early early 3d you could you could create a shape and
Starting point is 01:46:30 then choose to make it like a flame like a bonfire or make it resemble an explosion but the explosion look was this kind of lava orangy thing yes that um doesn't paste well on top of fighting in order to look like combustion you know the i know i'm nitpicking like a single graphical effect off of new fighting game no but i know exactly what you're talking about i know what you're talking about to those of you who aren't familiar enough or don't see it if you have played a lot of unreal engine games it is the equivalent this might be an even deeper poll and i'm trying to use it to bridge the gap this is the visual equivalent of watching the baba duke you ever seen the baba duke uh no okay in the climax of the film where
Starting point is 01:47:22 the baba duke attacks the mom in the room the baba duke uses the public domain goat scream monster noise that is used as far back as diablo one okay or further and it's just like oh god it's it's the visual effect equivalent of that it is it is stock yeah and and and and there's there's the i know exactly what you mean um and there's uh there's a bit of that happening in samurai showdown as well it's something that can be done better um and i think like if for an example of like how you can see a really like not everything is flying crazy with particles and have particle heavy right but for something that is that's a that's a different comparison look at the way for example like soul caliber handles particles fire and explosions and uh and you'll see like um it's
Starting point is 01:48:22 much more i mean they're they have blades to trace out the shapes of the fire but like it is much more precise in the way it's it's it's like done on each move and it doesn't feel as much of a like i like a stock omnidirectional combustion effect in 3d you know um yeah it is it is something that is this is not the first time we've seen it unfortunately it's it's just it's an aesthetic thing they're going with um so it's like it's this thing of like what i was like wow this looks really great and i grabbed k and did like his little swirl in front of him and did the kick and i was like ah i mean to be fair 12 and 13 also look like they had pasted explosions but they lit the sprites as well so there was this kind of weird effect of like
Starting point is 01:49:08 okay that giant crazy arochi nagi flame looks like it's a different gif entirely from the rest of the particles from the rest of the sprites but then the sprites are being lit by it so it it blends in a little bit you know but yeah um um yeah things like rock Howard's wings and such i you know you can you can see so there's that i played that uh let's see uh played sifu we talked about sifu i gave lost arc a try ah that's things popping off a lot of people playing that the the korean free-to-play diablo style mmo uh and i gave it a shot and it has an incredibly strong first impression with super detailed fancy cutscenes and uh like a diablo character that has like a full eight hotbar of like very fancy like flashy action game moves
Starting point is 01:50:08 like there's a a gunslinger that has like rainstorm and all sorts of fancy cool ass shit like that and then you're like wow this looks like it could be really cool and then you start to play it and the the the overwhelming feeling of korean mmo juice starts to drip onto you hmm from the from the get go literally the first thing that happens in the game is you pick a character class and it gives you a extremely long cutscene that describes an entire story arc for your character before you get to control them including a villain and a final boss and all sorts of shit and then you load into the game at level 10 and immediately before you even get to play as the class you picked you pick the upgraded version of that class and it jumped
Starting point is 01:51:14 to level 10 something that i could not understand at all until i found out that the first 10 levels of the game were wholesale removed entirely for streamlining purposes oh wow okay huh and then you start to play it and it has advertised controller support which is quote-unquote technically true but it's controller support in that it is emulating a mouse like so you right analog stick just becomes a cursor mouse oh boy and when you aim when you go to attack people the a digital or sorry a mouse cursor shows up on your targets you've got to aim with this and it and it is it's i've never played a game that feels like it's controller support is using the steam steam controller back end to jury rig mouse controls onto a controller
Starting point is 01:52:15 and then you start to play it and it's just like it's it's really flashy and way worse than path of exile in every way like it doesn't feel as good it doesn't look as good it doesn't control as good the menus are all terrible i was going to say you're coming on to this right off of the other crpg kick yeah i assume that the reason why path of exile had their big sponsored push was because this was coming out in a couple weeks and now after playing it i'm like man do they not have anything to worry about at all i gotta say there's something about the like the moxie though of like cutting the first 10 levels out because if you're a free-to-play game and you realize how important the onboarding
Starting point is 01:53:08 process is for getting people hooked right away and the first 10 levels just suck and i can understand the desire to be like fuck that cut right to the fun stuff so that people get into this right away yeah but instead you have this baffling reality where you go i want to play a warrior and then it goes what type of warrior do you want to play i'm like the one i just picked okay it becomes a folder category yeah okay okay yeah i mean it's not it like not impressed by it like it here's here's how popular this thing is though like reggie came in going like hey yo you hear about lost dark and i'm like you don't ask me about mmo's what you know go play it like that's free you don't lose anything other than time and maybe a little bit of bandwidth but
Starting point is 01:53:57 yeah no like just i don't i don't know how to describe it but like in a mouse click game the menus and the the movement of your character and the control of your stuff is absolutely vital and it doesn't feel as good as path of exile and people are mentioning that it is now one of the top games on steam and that it's very popular and i'm like yeah and i'm probably gonna sound like a huge snob but like it's really flashy and it's really easy on the eyes and there's a lot of people out there that don't care about the menus being good or the controls feeling good so i realized something midway through when uh reggie was telling me about it or asking about it but i didn't know what game he was describing because for probably months now however long lost arc has
Starting point is 01:55:00 been discussed my brain just auto corrected whenever someone said it it replaced a lost arc with lost soul aside i don't know what that is that's the one guy made a character action game with a guy that looks kind of like noctis with all the shards of crystal black glass game and i really just confused the two for a long time um if you google lost soul aside you'll know exactly what i'm talking about it shows up on twitter as a bunch of a character action combo gifts anyway well did you actually ever play even one second of black desert uh yes approximately yes yeah that do you remember that feeling of uh okay once you started to like move your character and have to click on things the the and then the it's better than that okay definitely better than black deserts
Starting point is 01:56:04 but like i don't know what is going on but all game like i have now played black desert blade and soul terra and this and all of them have the exact same lightweight weirdly unclear un stylized menu weird movement shit like they all feel like that like it's it's like it's a hyper specific genre where you could say it's like platinum action games but instead it's actually a wide genre mm-hmm it's bizarre yeah well so i i tweeted about um that other one with the really weird name god there's one of them that has a really unusual weird name i forgot what it's called and there's a lot yeah there was a punch girl in it and i was like oh okay and then it was like um hey tell why people are in the chat are calling it k jank it should just be lower case
Starting point is 01:57:08 jank with a capital k sure um but it was uh uh anyway it was a game where there was like a there's like a punch girl at the end of the trailer and i was like oh this is looking like some hot action combat stuff and then it was like yeah no woolly hold on wait stop this is a genre of games that have this really impressive giffable combat but one feels bad and two uh or two has the really grindy waste of waste of time uh economy you you called those games trap games the last time we talked about okay right that's what yeah okay okay they're trap games yeah found out about that um found out about that surprise surprised by it i don't what the fuck was this dumb thing called anyway whatever um it's sad because like they make for great twitter like gifts they make for great
Starting point is 01:58:09 by this game this mobile game ads is what they make great so yeah unfortunately yeah i was bq there i was i was like looking at that i was like oh that'd be could be cool and then i fucked around with it was like no it's not what is cool i mentioned it briefly last week that i had a a hold of total warhammer 3 um why the fuck is it called project barbeque sorry i because the fuck is um and uh but i couldn't talk much about it now all embargo stuff is out i played about 40 hours of it over the past couple weeks um one i'm really bad at total warhammer 3 um it is it is a very complex game much like its prequels it's fairly difficult i don't know what i'm doing but uh i did dabble with the second game yes it's a it's an improved
Starting point is 01:59:10 version of that it feels really good if you want more details you can go check out mandalore's review he puts out an hour and 10 minute review on it um it's a little buggy every now and then you'll go click on uh something and your unit will go crazy and freak out and the ai doesn't seem to know how to deal with walls at all pathing yeah just pathing can get real nuts um and uh i discovered a fairly massive bug this morning that i drove me crazy so you know how in some games they'll be like set your resolution to you know 4k but then use the resolution modifier percentage thing okay that says but only render it at 66 percent if you want 1440p or 50 percent if you want 1080p uh i discovered today that that graphics option is completely broken like 100 completely broken in that if you use
Starting point is 02:00:13 that feature at all and set it to a resolution equivalent the game will play will run like 20 30 worse than the equivalent resolution oh so i was running it at 4k but then i kicked the resolution slider down to 66 or 67 which would be 1440p and would run it like 40 or 50 and then i just set my resolution to 1440p and it was running at 80 and 90 so don't use that option it is broken just change your real resolution um i have a question ask me your question and this is coming from deep inside the soul um ask it away why is the official name of the game not total warhammer 3 but in fact total war warhammer 3 uh because creative assembly legal department and i know warhammer's legal department they're separate brands i i know
Starting point is 02:01:18 so uh before i want to say before total warhammer 3 a 2 came out yeah they did like a round table q and a with like the the the leads and they they had like the literal arm on the table and they're like listen mm-hmm we know mm-hmm you can call it whatever you want everyone's gonna know what game you're talking about mm-hmm but you cannot fuck for us it is total war warhammer 3 or what have you um total hammer war war that has absolutely been a long time thing of just this is so silly most people just call it fucking warhammer and then the number mm-hmm which is wild because it's so much more popular than all the other warhammer games that it's like the deep it's oh yeah i played warhammer 2 oh do you mean no i mean the creative
Starting point is 02:02:19 assembly total war game but it's but it's that it's a combination of two separate brands that both have war in them it's like if the dbz budakai series was just called dbz one and dbz two and dbz three which it should have been so if there were let's say capcom teamed up with uh tecmo to create sure an onimusha warriors game right what should that game be called it's if you don't if you don't call it onimusou you're doing it wrong how did you how did you think that up so quickly i was looking for any example of a thing that had mu in it to connect the two together for two companies to put their brands together if you don't call it onimusou you've already fucked up so this is why i'm like anyway anyway
Starting point is 02:03:25 but yeah no i played a lot of it uh the game is great aside from some graphical shenanigans all the additions are really nice though there are some things that are very buggy my favorite faction in warhammer uh nergal the disease boys are unfortunately for me personally by far the weirdest and most complicated faction to use so the the faction i really want to play as really bad is super hard to get your head around which sucks for me because i can barely handle like a normal human army shoutouts to that c viper mentality though there is definitely like this game's gonna be around for a while uh willy have you ever heard of the mortal empires campaign no so they always planned the the total warhammer
Starting point is 02:04:19 games to be a trilogy and as such they implemented something called mortal empires and the idea is is that you have your regular campaign and in three it's like you got to get to the chaos realms and help a bear out or whatever um in mortal empires it's more of a classical like domination style victory uh but whatever faction and specific general you pick is going to have a specific objective like oh go capture that or get a certain amount of space or survive x amount of turns what have you what have you uh the thing with mortal empires is is that for warhammer 3 it's all eight of the factions that are currently in the game on any of the dlc factions that they add in the future for total warhammer 3 uh and they'll be placed on a unique map and any of the races
Starting point is 02:05:08 for any of the games that you own hmm so it's reading your your like pre your saiyans or your purchase history your oh your ownership is it is it tied to your like your account your shared account okay okay yeah so as of right now uh like i think there's like 400 bucks worth of warhammer dlc because it's like there's the game the game has like five or six races and then you have do you want the wood elves do you want the fucking do you want the the pirate vampires do you want the tomb kings etc and in a couple months probably two to five months they're gonna put out the combined map which is going to be the globe which will include every faction that has ever existed in this series
Starting point is 02:06:06 okay because i was about to say do people feel fucked over by like knowing that there are lots of races that are not available to them in the game yeah because the the games all come with certain races like the the only way to play is the empires in warhammer one unless you own warhammer one at which point you can play them in the moral empires campaign uh so uh with the way the game is like a little undercooked right now uh there are to absolutely be no harm in waiting for that campaign to come out and see if they've fixed some of these like uh there's some ui issues there's some graphical issues there's a couple pathing issues mandalore mentioned something about it seems like the cavalry charge stuff is not being calculated correctly so you'll have cavalry
Starting point is 02:06:58 hit like a unit from the back and then the cavalry will melt which is not how that's supposed to go okay um but yeah there's you're not in a rush to fucking get this it's going to be like supported and actively added to for like three years i'm really enjoying my time with it though but i suck that's my main problem oh i suck shit at it how like how many back locked races are there are you talking about here okay hold on let me give me a second so in the current game right now right the total warhammer three that exists right now you have uh undivided chaos and then you have corn silenish
Starting point is 02:07:57 cinch and nergal which are the four chaos races you have kizlev which is warhammer russia then you have cafe which is warhammer china and then you have the ogres right those are the eight that you get in the box right now you play with that's the campaign if you had god playable factions god i need a list here i'm seeing 69 in total okay so introduced in total war one is dwarves green skins the empire vampire counts warriors of chaos beastman britonia wood elves in norsica in warhammer two you have dark elves high elves lizard people scaven tomb kings and the vampire coast uh and then in three you have cafe kizlev corn nergal silenish cinch ogre kingdoms and demons however uh each of those races will have a different type of army depending on the amount of
Starting point is 02:08:57 what's called a legendary lord it's basically a general so like the elves have like six different generals and they all started different points on the map and they all have different mechanics associated with their campaign like there's one orc unit that is a cook and his whole thing is getting food to put in a pot for a buff fucking machine okay so you're not and that's unique to just him so if you just buy the game and you don't have any of the older ones so you don't have access to all those races you're still drowning in races oh dude i willy i spent 35 hours on a kizlev campaign that i failed before getting halfway through oh my god okay okay this is this is this is the digital warhammer equivalent of building your model train set in your fucking
Starting point is 02:09:52 basement here's the next question how does the a game like this and to some degree let's say um let's say like league of legends right where there's like over 150 yeah characters how do they recommend or like suggest one learn or feel get a feel for who they like with a list that big in what's the recommended one of one of the easiest ways so the best thing about warhammer three and i mean this without irony i i'm not even joking the absolute best thing about warhammer three is that it is the first game in the series to have a real tutorial okay and in the real tutorial it walks you through a very small like small scale campaign with the kizlev faction that has its own units and its own landmass and it has story elements and like babies your ass through okay
Starting point is 02:10:54 yeah once you that that's literally how i was able to get into it i've bounced off this series both prior games couldn't get into it because i never got to the point where i felt like i knew what i was doing this tutorial genuinely helps as for how to get good at it no sorry how to figure out who you like uh there's a like a on the title when you go to pick your race there's like a fighting game screen oh yeah has eight races oh no i know i um and it has very detailed descriptions of what type of ideas because our i'm yeah i because i'm just i'm curious about like any game in any genre where the first choice a player has to make is from over a hundred yeah and i'm curious about like what are the most successful ways of like making that not
Starting point is 02:11:49 seem so daunting well um hate to use this example because it's so cliche on this podcast ask the subreddit is not a is not a great answer yeah it's not however it's the second answer the second answer is ask weirdos who already play the first answer well you see woolly it's just like fighting games you find the race that looks cool on the box and then you play as them until you decide that it sucks shit and then you pick the second coolest i feel like um there could be a whole like design class theory about like again when you when you hit the number of over a hundred to pick from you know um how much to show without overwhelming in terms of like highlighting someone and seeing this is what they're about this is how cool they look this is what this race kind of
Starting point is 02:12:51 focuses on and then even just like almost like um you know like when overwatch you highlight and you just see like here's their one move two move alt you know like yeah bang bang boom for the two examples that you've used here are um league of legends and this so in league of legends uh you're given the art of all the characters first and then when you click on them you get to see what their moves are right a couple of their moves and it also describes their role and that's what you have to go on uh in warhammer it's very similar you see their art you click on them you get to see their their style and you can also look at some of their units um honestly now that we're talking about it and i made the joke of like it's like fighting games no actually fighting games should be way
Starting point is 02:13:45 more like this there should be somewhere in street fighter or guilty gear where you can click on a character and it shows you a splash page with little videos of what their fucking moves look like and describes their overall play style yep uh overwatch uh like i said like there is that little like over um overwatch but over like view that is the three moves you know there's the two abilities of the alt and you just go okay i sure i can piece that together like there'd be a lot more people who both did and did not pick milia and chip if there was a little video that showed this is what their character actually does and it's fucking spam around like a psycho now the move list showing you a little video in strive is a step up um yeah it is and
Starting point is 02:14:41 there's always but but there's always better we can do but like yeah that that's definitely uh something that they could benefit from but i'm i'm the the basis of my thought on this one is mainly about like a hundred to choose from in anything is is is daunting um well the so here's the way that it works for war hammer the like the this series anyway it's been hey let's take war hammer two for example did you buy war hammer two on day of release well do you want to play as the high elves the dark elves the lizards or the rats and that's it just those four and then the mortal empires campaign will come out two three four months later but originally at the very start you had a smaller choice it's it's more limited and they have extraordinarily well-defined roles right one
Starting point is 02:15:34 is all straight lines one is swarm one is artillery one is powerful units but small groups etc okay so yeah uh that game's good it's a little messy i'm expecting a day one patch though i can't get in contact with anybody at the devs to ask if there is one uh but as it is right now it's good but it needs a little more time in the oven the the creative assembly games are really weird they release like crpgs in that it's out and it'll be done in 18 months it's not quite early access but it's let's start making money now there's a bunch of bugs that you're that are still there and uh all the factions aren't there and the marquee game mode isn't there yeah i i just i'm still deciding how to feel about that i guess it's case by case because
Starting point is 02:16:41 um i enjoy getting a taste of darkest dungeon two um but i definitely now that i'm done with it i'm just like well i i'm done with it um it's and one like kept held me in for as for like fucking months because of the the the gruel you know it's it's one of those things that like i mean you've worked in in testing you've worked in game release right the game's biggest bug right now by far that in other games would be you know a serious problem is that enemies attacking your cities can't figure out how to path correctly that past walls so you just missile them down like assholes and it's a bug that is explicitly in your favor affecting the ballads so it's not the end of the world you're not losing fights because of it
Starting point is 02:17:48 in fact you're trouncing fights you probably shouldn't be able to win with it yeah i get a piecemeal for some games for some genres works but works good um but i just i guess like if you know what it is if it's the type of game where like playing it early will get it out of your system and kill some of the fire about wanting to return to it by the time it's done then it's probably a bad idea oh no the people who play these fucking games mm-hmm they it like it's it's like a it's like a fighting game or mmo oh yeah no no i i i i level of of the dedication i'm aware of so stupid like that i mean the entire total war franchise is like like it's one of those things like you talk to people and they're like yeah i've never beaten
Starting point is 02:18:49 anything but two of the rat campaigns best game ever just like okay uh uh good it's good game i'm enjoying it i'm playing a lot of it because i'm not playing elden ring and i'm mad about that but what am i gonna do um by the way hey heads up to anybody who doesn't want to get spoiled on elden ring uh retail copies are getting photographed in stores so uh it is it is literally a matter of hours if not days sorry days of not hours before that shit starts to pop off and that's all i did with my week uh if you want to check out more stuff i'm going to be taking it easy this week you go down to twitch.tv slash pat stairs at i'm going to be doing some pre-recorded uh pillar streams i'm doing pillars of eternity too uh but i'm doing them l
Starting point is 02:19:43 i'm doing the opposite of what you do on your channel i'm pre-recording lps and then streaming the videos weird okay yeah uh it's because it makes a completely different video particularly with something really really really really slow like a crpg um i put up a i played a episode of pillars two the other day and spent 90 minutes in the character creator good which i feel like i would have felt like stressed to go faster if it was live yeah i know that that invisible fucking pressure clock um but no i approve of spending time in the character creator um um let them wind about it if they do it's genuinely really weird going back to that format because like my voice completely changes and how like it's i don't know how to describe it
Starting point is 02:20:45 it's it's no completely different dude there's like how how awesome is it when you're doing something like that is more like not progression but it's it's stopping to enjoy the smell the flowers and you're enjoying yourself and then a bunch of people are posting snore emotes like what a what you know how how great does that feel right oh i don't know i'm not familiar with that yeah so you know it's uh it's it's very different it's very different anyway that's that's what's gonna be uh for me this week uh and on friday i'll be streaming horizon because horizon coming out you know willy this is a total aside i feel so bad for uh gorilla games who make the horizon mm-hmm because the horizon forbidden west is a ps exclusive that comes out
Starting point is 02:21:43 uh seven days before the elden ring mm-hmm which is of a similar genre except it's higher profile it's gonna take more than seven days to beat it right um do you remember what game came out five days after horizon one not fucking uh seki roe or dark no it was breath of the wild oh boy okay yeah so that's two for two where games within its own genre that are just higher profile than itself come out and it's like the horizon one was good the horizon two i've been told is good yeah so but i have people on my timeline going who gives a shit it is i'm gonna be playing elden ring this is the publisher's job in my opinion publishers there's a whole lot of stuff that you rightfully can go what what do you do publisher um and one of those
Starting point is 02:22:43 things is this you the publisher should be looking at that fucking calendar and picking optimal space to launch in and clearing around other things that are going to be a direct problem or a direct um um like syphon against the audience that's going to have to spend money on your game or another game that's very similar that they want to play you know so uh i believe in both cases horizon set its date and stuck to it and the games in question came later were delayed to immediately after them okay okay and i'm like what could you do then damn sucks okay anyway before we get into the rest of the podcast i gotta take a piss and so does this dog me too so i'll be right back huge huge huge big pisses
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Starting point is 02:35:15 too many stories not enough time so we're gonna try to figure out how to make this work it's a ludicrous don't worry about it just start just start reading them okay uh one JP Kellams has retranslated the full quote um from the platinum interview last week and that was incorrectly translated apparently the wording implying that they were gonna stop making or at the very least decrease priority in the games that they got famous for making and um it created some drama and all that aside uh JP Kellams former platinum games uh employee who used to do their translations before stepped in and said hey uh this is how I would have translated it based on what I read have you seen it yes okay so it's more or less the same uh wording but
Starting point is 02:36:13 with a couple of subtle details that change the implications for example yeah it's like we want to make alive service games in addition to those tight-ass action games and it's like yeah that's a minor change instead of as opposed to right so um uh all the the first stuff about almost leaking something about project gg that's all fine we're at a stage where we want to try new things um we want to um speaking broadly about game development in the future unlike up to this point it'll be a key to create games that people can fall in love with and play with for a longer longer amount of time we want to of course keep making and keep close to our hearts smaller games full of ideas like solcresta and titles in the vein of bayonetta that feature fully realized
Starting point is 02:36:58 one off stages that you can enjoy uh playing through until a game over but we think the types that we're creating for the future i think it'll be something different from these sorts of games how the market changes over the next five years itch will be an absolute must yeah yeah yeah so anyway some clarification on that now here's the thing about it too is admittedly is that like um uh japanese can be a very precise and imprecise language when it wants to be and when it comes to like i guess interviews for upcoming things in pr expect more imprecision than precision you know expect things in the veins of um please look forward to it i have a message to relay i just think that these statements like okay so we got the interview and
Starting point is 02:37:48 in the interview made it look like they want a transitional live service games and then we get a clarification of the interview that makes it no no no we just want to make live service games and uh we think that's going to be a really good future for platinum and then like literally a day after that retranslation uh the fucking ceo is like may it be cool if someone bought us yeah so that's the other part of this the second story here being that uh inaba also says they'd be open to acquisition offers by another company as long as it gets to maintain its freedom um and despite what might be despite the idea that like after scale bound uh you would assume there possibly might be some bad blood some harsh hard feelings about uh the abandonment of that
Starting point is 02:38:39 project uh the the the story right after that is they have expressed an interest in revisiting scale bound um if they could have a proper conversation with microsoft over the cancelled titles so i think these are all related stories you know plat i love platinum games um i have this feeling that they're the video game equivalent of gill the the fucking real estate agent or at old gill's door like the company always feels like a single press release away from going completely bankrupt yeah we don't know what the coffers are like but it doesn't sound like they're confident in their ability to like maintain the current course is the is the uh the overall vibe i mentioned that they said boy it sure would be lit if someone bought us to which someone in our
Starting point is 02:39:32 chat replied they've always said that yeah and i'm like yeah when your company is always talking about how sick it would be to get bought it means they're fucking broke the other thing is of course is that like i mean at least to those are to those paying attention in our little niche corner with this stuff what they get with their names and everything like whoever does that will just win out on um like you'll get a company in house that'll just make fucking quality shit of whatever ip you hand to them but it also means that we might be denied um you know stuff that belongs to like metal gear rising belongs to uh codon oh yeah we're definitely gonna get another one of those well yeah well yeah that's we're gonna get real denied that future
Starting point is 02:40:26 game not not that not rising too because that logo was some bullshit um but a hypothetical game that some brand would want to hand off to platinum to make a cool thing out of in you know if it was uh on a on a discussion table at some point you know um they get you know they're getting tossed around sega should just buy them squeenix had to go sega had to go you know nintendo had to go everybody's every their guns for hire everybody's i don't know i i have to say if i was a armchair ceo and i was looking at platinum games you'd have to be nuts to buy platinum games every single person that works there has a long history of making critical darlings that don't sell for shit so why you're gonna buy them so you can give them a big budget so they can make critical
Starting point is 02:41:17 darlings don't sell for shit like yeah what what's the word for um um there's a word for what i'm thinking of here where it's like it's like a vanity like a vanity per vanity project yeah yeah you know like i guess that that's that's the status that gets relegated to 100 or a prestige game well look i you have to wonder like what is nintendo looking for when they announce bayonetta 3 you know and did they get that they're looking for kimia to stop calling their office every day he had a statement too where he's like uh hey if you played the first two bayonettas it'll make you enjoy bayonetta 3 more and like that's the most indirect way of just kind of being like hey this story is gonna probably bank on it being the third in a trilogy as opposed to just
Starting point is 02:42:16 jumping in and figuring it out well this is a bit outside your personal wheelhouse and taste but i don't know if you remember the marketing campaign for mass effect 3 but there were interview after interview after interview where people were standing up in front of a camera going mass effect 3 is the best and most perfect time to start playing mass effect and then they would then they would play a trailer that would go the end of the decade spanning trilogy and you'd be like yeah no why it it's shut up it's so dumb that kimia has to even say something like this but it's true right anytime something comes out the question that a lot of people want to know is do i have to bother with the first ones or can i just jump in and like yeah and kimia's not
Starting point is 02:43:05 heading that off at the pass you know he can't say like yeah you can watch all the cutscenes on youtube in like three hours right or we've put in a fucking zone of the enders delores 20 minute movie to spare you the the time in trouble you know um anyway oh yeah somebody points out do you remember witcher 3 changed its box art and it's and it's fucking title card witcher it was originally called witcher 3 the wild hunt wild hunt and then that's what i know it is then it became then like and it was like a witcher and the giant three in in like a bold text same as witcher the wild hunt but then it became witcher the wild hunt and there was like three slashes behind the logo the three lines yeah the to hide the fact that it was the third game
Starting point is 02:44:03 god it's like it's like that thing i mean me and my friends in high school used to laugh at this but it's like movie franchises that get embarrassed of their numbers and oh yeah and cannot start putting words there instead fast enough you know horror games horror movies are the worst there are horror franchises that are like into their like dozens yeah and and they just start getting like like halloween and and fucking friday yeah yeah yeah okay but watch this though this is why i'm built different check out this self report when you put the title of the game front up and it's in the thumbnail and people see the part number and that part number is too high instantly intimidated no click right straight up you want to play your your fucking you want
Starting point is 02:44:57 to play your game by seeing a part number that's too intimidating like it's already a deflector from oh i have to commit to everything before this i was talking about it actually applies i was talking about uh a rum ring born and there was this stupid meme that was going on this like playing 100 hours to get to the good part and then it's like uh like shame on people who give up before they get there and i'm like that's the stupidest fucking thing ever like playing through 100 hours of anything to get to the good parts like stupid and you shouldn't do it unless it's this one game that i like um and i got a person that responded me like who has 100 hours to play on games and it's it's an argument i've heard a lot from a lot of people and it's like you can buy a game and
Starting point is 02:45:42 play it over five years you can watch a thing over six months like you don't like you don't there's no time limit on something you actually own unless it's like a live thing or whatever like you could read a chapter of a manga that you like every three months if you felt like it yeah you're not going to be up to date but there's no problem in not being up to date but but the the the the reason why the movies are afraid and why the and the why i'm talking about this in the context of youtube as well is because you need a an adoption rate that's fast enough for it to be a successful thing and if people are intimidated away by the prior commitment um but you can like basically trick them into thinking they're going to see the first friday the 13th movie you know then uh
Starting point is 02:46:42 then it's fine it'll work out you know so yeah no it's it's a it's a whole thing um i mean to some degree like uh i i think that you add like i've also started i mean like i in this in this note in terms of lps like i've started naming every every episode one because it helps you identify what the fuck part that was and what's going on in it uniquely and it stands out um and like there is and there is like that part of it where it's like okay well if i'm not interested in this lp but i am interested in specifically tuning into here the dana cast versus j jona jamison then i i can watch this episode you know so there still is a single serving value added by adding that extra detail to it but um if you just see the same thumbnail and it says part 11 on it that's not
Starting point is 02:47:37 going to give you any information so you know it's a game that gets played in this world too but it is true that like as things go up higher it it you know there's a shame that gets associated with the higher number and marketing teams certainly would want to hide that with like the witcher three yeah um anyway that's going on witcher three by the way is probably the best example of using this this trick for good because i really like what you're wanting to and cannot possibly recommend them to anyone at this point uh i would literally recommend to anyone who wants to play witcher three which you should it's a really good game uh to literally just look up what happens in one and two at the same time if a franchise is is made up of no numbers and just subtitles that every
Starting point is 02:48:29 single person starting the franchise will ask where should i start like it hey shout out to final fantasy for making this both the simplest and most confusing version of this ever where do i start confusing confusing once like yeah you get into sub sequels and um also like i guess just talk to somebody is the answer really i don't really i'm telling you right now we're six months away from like is it okay to start at final fantasy 16 or do i have to go back and catch up i mean i unironically had a variation of that conversation a couple months ago you know what when i was talking to like for you no i was talking to punch mom about uh
Starting point is 02:49:24 about starting to play a an ff game because she should be playing the first one you know so yeah uh all right other stuff going on um the nintendo direct there's there's a little bunch of things not everything is they had a mouthful of news sure did so yeah there was fire emblem warriors the second one i i uh that got the biggest blank stare for me i didn't even realize that the first one came out and yeah it was not well liked like zelda's was i see okay that might yeah well i wasn't paying attention um missed missed missed that one so i didn't i didn't i didn't catch it um yeah i did i did a little skip my video is a skip through and i want to make sure like people that know the deal are tuning into knowing the deal so advance
Starting point is 02:50:18 was one and two reboot camp yay those are good games um no man sky coming to switch all right dude the the re announcement of of like all the kingdom hearts games coming to the switch in cloud mode was the funniest thing in the world as it coincided with my stream shitting itself and oh yeah all over nice and like god you know what happens when you play king of kingdom hearts on the switch cloud shit what it it boots you after 180 seconds of inactivity that is annoying i don't think there are more than i i think like literally 99 of all cut scenes in that game that are voiced are longer than 180 seconds well the switch will tell you by dimming the screen while watching a cutscene that hey you have to keep the fucking stick wiggled to not dim
Starting point is 02:51:26 out you know so that's already a weird switchism um man yeah no no good um all right uh marius strikers battle league um the felt was fine i have no interest but yeah the marry the only thing i point out was saying is that like the mario strikers artwork in the original was fucking awesome and here they're doing the same effect with a filter on the 3d and it doesn't have the same energy it's it's the it's not the same thing like they definitely lost some of the the the fire um splatoon 3 showed off some stuff um there's uh they showed off the co-op mode that i i didn't recognize because i didn't spend any time with splatoon 2 uh how embarrassing um front mission first and second holy fucking shit out of nowhere that's wild i actually pogged i saw this only
Starting point is 02:52:26 imagine like front mission one front mission first getting getting made it's like oh that's a good sign that's exciting and then they right away announced two and it's like holy fuck three probably like that's and then you then then you you skip four and then you go right to five logical conclusion because when i saw that thing that was like wanzers at the ready i was like uh wanzers are the next friend so mission what it says a lot because front mission has been dead and then they made that game where they spit on its corpse called left alive i don't know if you remember that i remember when i came out yeah but it's been dead for so long that when i see the word my initial it's not just it's not disappointment it's like maybe they'll do something good like it's been
Starting point is 02:53:19 that long since it's been dead and you know what's you know what maybe doing something good is going back and remaking the old ones that were good well those two games never came out in english so fucking so this is good for everybody um yeah i've i've god it's it's one of those things are just like i've never been so impressed with such like a brief uh uh uh you know dalliance with a game like interesting a little quick stop in and just in oozing quality in with front mission three it was incredible like i fucking couldn't believe that so um as i said on that thing i'm like that's one of those like dream lps where you know it's just going to be like a billion parts but god damn the fucking thing is so good those i actually beat both campaigns in
Starting point is 02:54:12 front mission three and i can't believe i had that much time to spare as a kid huh yeah like i'm thinking of an episode that's just this week we browse the internet you know like it just i don't even know how that would go but man um so yeah that's really exciting actual poggers as you said um and then i was interrupted by reggie gasping for uh disney speedstorm and and and uh fucking monsters ink cart and i'm just like ooh yeah yeah this is yep this is what it is you know every once in a while you just reggie's reggie's uh good old reliable iron normie powers come shine through come and shine i mean you need one of those around somewhere you know but it's hilarious because he'll still come in on the same energy and be and be like
Starting point is 02:55:13 yo harry potter is super normie shit and everyone will pop at that and then right into like into just straight into like ah whatever what was that oh disney cart i'm like okay all right you do need i do i suppose you need some of that um then the wee version of star wars force unleashed which uh uh was good memories because he was also on the project and that was that was fun to watch dude i'm watching that and i'm like it looks like way way worse than i thought it would and then there's like a single line of dialogue where they're like ported from the original wee version yeah and i'm i'm like yeah there's a different version that was made for the wee exactly but like why why why port that version so i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and guess that like
Starting point is 02:56:05 that was the nintendo version that there you know and like it's like that was a different game and the other ones got didn't they get something a couple years ago i don't know the other the other versions got something a couple years ago or whatever so like this one with the wee moat stuff was like nintendo exclusive so if they're interested in bringing this franchise forward they're gonna want it be to be the one that was specific to their console you know um yeah so then they shut off uh sd gunnam battle alliance we got to see a sd big zam yay on that uh and then fucking chrono cross the radical dreamers edition all right so i don't care for chrono cross this is well known this is document however one of the things i care
Starting point is 02:57:05 the least about chrono cross is it's one of the only playstation one games i can think of in which i actually was annoyed by its frame rate and this predates me knowing what frame rate was okay uh so having new releases of that game and like a pc version cool also despite my dislike of chrono cross the fact that they are actually translating and putting out radical dreamers is the craziest goddamn thing ever that is so so insane so yeah for the longest while for anyone who doesn't know radical dreamers was a fucking text game that came out in between cross and trigger that was for the satellite view this weird tv it was a it was a super famicom add-on that relied on downloading its content um via satellite and like it was it was only for that it was mainly
Starting point is 02:58:06 third party supported and like uh and it was you know same same writer director behind the the other chrono games and it was the introduction of you know the characters of cross so um it just a lot of what that text adventure did served as the basis of the skeleton for what cross became because kid was in it uh surge was in it and then there was uh well what was supposed to be guile is actually yeah magill or whatever right so yeah um but um it is it is it is fucking crazy they're going through all that now obviously i talked about cross like you know with the mobile game the other day and we've been i've been yucking it up and all that shit um so like real talk like all kayfabe aside um a bunch of the shit in chrono cross's story is complete nonsense compared
Starting point is 02:59:03 to trigger oh yeah and oh yeah it's very unclear compared to a easily understandable trigger and overall uh i would say that the the contributions of cross weaken the canon of chrono trigger i i i am i am not i'm not i don't have any illusions about that uh i that's that's a truth i'm i'm full on on on board that i just think that there's some cool shit that i have some memories of that's like oh man remember that remember fucking battle music with nine eight time signature remember uh uh glenn and garai and dario and all that stuff you know it was like yeah that stuff was kind of cool i i tell you what if they're remastering the music if they if they literally like clean up that fucking dissonant uh violin uh breakdown in the first 10 seconds of the battle
Starting point is 03:00:12 theme if they literally do that no i will i will rate the game four points higher than i did as a child it's staying nine eight time signature battle themes dude like this game is buck wild with it and they're doing it on purpose um now the things uh uh you know what else is interesting and hey if you're interested in playing chrono cross and you've never done so and uh spoilers i'm gonna talk about spoilers for this super old thing but there is one other there's something about it too that i'm like yeah that's interesting to think about in the context of the entire chrono trigger timeline is the idea of um what if uh the world from 2300 uh that no longer gets to exist because you save it became its own thing you know like that's a cool idea that's a cool idea is like
Starting point is 03:01:19 you've corrected the timeline you you took care of lavos now this future imperfect that existed has nowhere else to go what happens to that world is a fun idea to introduce so that's one of the things that it's like oh yeah no like that's that's something that cross has going for it you know um it just it just also most of the music genuinely most of the music is excellent it is um it's just the track you hear the most often in a jrpg with random battles is one of the shittiest battle tracks i've ever heard in my life hard to disagree but it's not the track you hear the most actually i would say the track you hear the most is uh probably literally just because like a bunch of the music is just literally chrono trigger music you know the victory battle
Starting point is 03:02:09 theme like it's it's the chrono trigger battle like like victory theme and like that shit you're hearing all the time is great as well you know um but the but it's memorable because of how weird it is with the i think you say memorable i think um some of the other stuff is like the fact that they've had the ambition to create a game where there are 45 fucking party members that can join up is insane that's insane yeah that's crazy who could do that definitely not the entire sweet coding series well right and but here's the problem now is how much time are you gonna get to spend with any of these characters and how many about four minutes and how many of the like yo check this this dude ate a mushroom and his head is now a
Starting point is 03:03:02 mushroom he is joining your party so that you can yeah no uh yeah the chrono cross like it says look at all these party members yeah okay here's the party members that matter yeah guile glenn kid and harrell well though guile was supposed to matter but he doesn't matter anymore okay fine glenn kid and harrell and of those three really only kid matters hmm hold on a minute hold on a minute um yeah no no they don't matter like you want to be like hey karsh was in there and so what was that what was that dude's name um uh the the the fucking um whatever the general of the of the the dragoons wow yeah they mattered so much fargo the pirate was pretty cool but they
Starting point is 03:04:03 didn't matter they didn't matter no no no a bunch of that shit was irrelevant but there's some there's some people you're like oh i remember that also cool that's a i'll give both a shout out and a diss to chrono cross for attempting something and then failing utterly at it they wanted every single character in the game to have a different accent yeah because it was prior to the invention of voice acting yeah they had to do it all through punctuation and man was that not effective at all what you're talking about chat don't channel chat chat like i specifically remember Irene is supposed to have a greek accent and they're using like punctuation i have literally never seen again in my life um the are you thinking of um yeah oh yeah yeah yeah the the mermaid the mermaid yeah
Starting point is 03:05:00 with the umlauts there's umlauts over everything she says um fucking and there there's like like you know i we speak french so we're we're familiar with at least one language is goofy little you know chapeau seco flex and the xanthe gu and the the fucking the little five but like you can't just do that with 10 15 different languages nobody's gonna know no one person's gonna know what these accents are supposed to be uh uh lucia was like i'm assuming you're going for like russian lady here but some of it is not coming across as like some of it is though some of your zats are turning into dats and yeah it was it was like a filter run over the text for your party members that was that was weird excuse me but so chrono cross remaster good for the people that like it incredible that radical
Starting point is 03:05:53 like genuinely golf claps crazy the radical dreamers translation but more importantly than itself is that it is another uh brick in the wall that is the verification of that invidia leak from about six months ago oh on the list of things that it was it was there on the list mm-hmm and that list contains lots and lots and lots of good shit of note to square enix in particular there's a funnel fancy tactics remaster on that leak list and an ff9 remake on there that's pretty that's pretty interesting there's also hey there's a capcom part of that list let's see if this is a shocking leak or as the evil four remake street fighter six gasp dragon's dogma and a new monster hunter
Starting point is 03:06:55 well oh oh my god i cannot believe it i what i am undone um no i uh uh uh taken eight oh my god really so here's the thing um just going back to cross though for a bit is like if as like i fully as i'm like please understand that like anyone picking this up that is like you know chrono trigger was cool it's like there is this is not anywhere near as good and also um there's some really dumb fucking party member like that fucking literal uh uh um all of our alien that hangs out with you starchy oh you want the ultimate you want the absolute you want the most confusing party member in chrono cross um i'll tell you i remember it's god damn name i remember
Starting point is 03:07:53 it's so vividly it's posh you the posh all the dog the doggy the pale fucking purple doggy yeah yeah why it's so goddamn weird uh because posh all the the pink like fat shih tzu is apparently an archetype that the devs of that game love because that character shows up almost exactly the same in xeno gears as a tiny little pink and white mascot character called chuchu huh how about that and that's not weirder to you than skelly the clown skeleton who you put together by finding his bones piece by piece no okay nope listen all right well again woolly remember i live in my house therefore skeletons there's a fucking skeleton right there in view behind me yeah yeah uh that shit was wild i also like the idea of slowly putting together a party member
Starting point is 03:08:52 that's fun in this game where as soon as you talk to somebody and a portrait pops up you're like okay well when do you join you know you find a kid it's like yeah you're gonna join it's like not only that his mom gets a portrait well um anyway just just it's like set your expectations to like fucking wacky with the narrative in this thing and like also um we are possibly not legally allowed to super call this chrono trigger too so we're just gonna keep it legally distinct but also be really obvious about it and go and lean into it super heavy at points but then keep some distance and like yeah that's that's uh uh uh that's a feeling where you're like you're probably not gonna see that a trigger to name exist at some point but never i want it but but i was gonna say
Starting point is 03:09:54 that like as someone who is an appreciator of cross for it's it's it's it's wild shit um despite knowing the dumb i do feel for someone like you who's like fuck this game this game ruined my life because there was that era when the ds because there was an era when the ds game came out and if you hated chrono cross boy were you mad with the changes because that was cementing that the thing you loved was not not only was cross not going anywhere but it was creeping backwards because one they added all the shallow lavo stuff it back into into trigger and two they added finding baby kid at the end as a cutscene so now cross stuff is happening in the first game you liked so i should mention that would repair out for anybody that was that was i should i should
Starting point is 03:10:53 mention to be genuinely fair to chrono cross um i was doomed in terms of like my first and second and last impressions of that game in that it was absolutely advertised as the big sequel to chrono trigger and man that was not what they should have done because it is it is barely tangentially related to chrono trigger and if you're a huge ct mark all the stuff they actually do with the ct stuff is tell you yeah you know how you save the world yeah everyone got boots stomped into dirt and would they pissed on them and you're like oh no no no so so i i gotta i gotta say it is not barely tangentially related because the back half of it starts to dial it up and the finale is entirely reliant on chrono trigger yeah but i'm saying like what i'm like most of at what's
Starting point is 03:11:56 actually in that game is not actually related to ct you know no no no it ends up like near the end being like oh this was all because this was all because of this yeah yeah yeah yeah but um like and and when you do start getting you're like finally i get to find out what happened to my favorite characters yeah no it's it's like the it's it's like what a like a like a vindictive creator would do that he's sick of an old game but also if you're somebody who doesn't necessarily know um trigger and you're just playing cross alone for the first time you'll be confused as shit well at first you'll be like okay this is its own thing because the first be against 80% of it is all that and then when it starts coming tying back in you'll be like i don't know about
Starting point is 03:12:46 this but okay maybe it has to do with whatever they do they do have the little ghosts that explain stuff but um the final your big drop on like the uh like oh my god it turned out that it was shala and if someone has now they're like someone who's never played it is like who it was it was shala from that one timeline you didn't fix and then it's okay you know and then you split and now we get into guilty gear mode because we got to start worrying about the the jackos and the arias so there's all that and then there's the fact that i famously hate the battle theme which is like a downer because it's a battle thing you hear all the time um and then to like what essentially sealed the deal for me in terms of like my bad first like first run at that game uh was that um it's one
Starting point is 03:13:41 of those fun little games where there's a really asinine uh requirement to get the real ending you have to cast a bunch of spells in a certain way and like fill up that that colored board into certain colors you got to use the element yeah you got to use the the elements then use the chrono cross yeah and and if you do anything other than that you the game just straight up ends and shows you a video of a japanese lady sitting in a chair for the entirety of the credits and though she's also standing on the train tracks and looking at shibuya crossing and you're like 10 years old and you're like what the fuck was that this game is wild bro cross is a trip you have to lead into it it's the only way
Starting point is 03:14:35 the only way is to lead into it she's there's a there's a there's a why he's coming down to glare at me i'm doing kerro cross a service more than i ever have there is a cosplayer that's that you haven't been listening to me at all not really yeah okay i've been going to be fair this is how i attain my bad opinions about it there is a because i had a really bad time with it as a child don't never forget the blonde cosplayer in the wig standing around japan being the being the like you know the hey remember kid oh and also big like you know kids the big um um tomboy you know style character and then like hey yo what if like luka was like hey yo cut out that tomboy shit become a pretty girl already and then she kids like oh okay
Starting point is 03:15:29 you're like i don't remember that at all okay well there's like one of the one of the final messages is like a letter that she's like hey you'll become a like stop being a tomboy become a become a pretty girl and then she's like i'm i'm kid i'm tough and then like the last last last shot is like she's wearing a pretty dress and she has a bow in her hair she's decided to accept that look it's it's her and i tried really hard to like that game i fucking i even beat the i forgot what the name was but it was like glenn with the sword i want to say it was um his brother this the super boss yeah yeah uh there's um um uh uh darai and uh yeah and no gary and um anyway whatever yeah you get one of two unironic uncinical pieces of ct fan service in the entire game
Starting point is 03:16:23 masa and mune yeah the other one is when you're in the weird future area and you go regen your health but you're still hungry yeah and i was like and i was like yeah oh there's a there's a there's a couple of different fan service things i mean the the fucking um you have uncinical ones uncinical fan service yeah what would you just hand me a star fruit yeah does this mean that our hearts will be linked forever um and then uh mechanically as well like it's not light world dark world but world one world two is a thing that is not as interesting as like eras and shit you know but anyway that's it would have been more interesting if they were more different sure but it was a playstation one game with pre-runner backgrounds so they couldn't be
Starting point is 03:17:19 insanely expensive yeah also like the disc switch is fucking at the 90 mark so like get ready for cutscenes and music you know um yeah wow star fruit tastes like shit oh also remember the um remember the um um the the dino uh dino not dino tights um the azaleas people yeah yeah the the thing where it's like um uh that that alternate reality where dinosaurs were going to inherit the earth if not for reptites thank you dinosaurs were going to inherit the earth if not for lavos being the fucking meteor that crashed um like so all reality they actually continue to exist and they evolve and evolve over time until eventually reptites become these giant grand fucking creatures
Starting point is 03:18:23 that are dragons and that's why you're seeing dragons exist and you know they look like fantasy dragons but really you're just taking um azaleas people and the reptites and future forwarding their evolutionary process you're like yeah whatever that's stupid i see it no i see it i see it all right chrono cross is coming and we're you can't avoid it uh how'd you feel about how'd you feel about um like swapping from surge to fucking links for like the entire back half of the game best part of the game stop being surge you want to be links it's by it's by far the most interesting and coolest part of the entire game you think it's gonna last like one dungeon or
Starting point is 03:19:20 something and it just no it's so it's like like a third of the total run time you recreate your party like on the opposite end yeah you you spend so much time as links oh no yeah wonder page likes it so much oh but why does he look like a links though i don't remember oh it's because surge is afraid of cats so because when um the panther attacked him when he was a child uh he he exactly he had a fear of of cats and then his father who uh was also exposed to the frozen flame becomes uh to he turns into links faced being you remember and then fucking chrono trigger it was like hey dudes what are you gonna do let's go back in time and shut up i'm not i'm not done and then the computer fate takes over your father's new frozen flamified
Starting point is 03:20:26 lynxed version and that's the that's the the person who's piloting the body you know what the fucking chrono cross is chrono cross is the asshole that watches back to the future one and two with you and goes actually you know that would mean he wouldn't be able to do that because of the timelines and you know i'm like you can't and you're like shut up i just want to see doc brown hold the thing with the lightning you fucking asshole you can't recap that shit or any of the stuff with fate and not you have to laugh at it it's the only way forward you have to just embrace that shit man you know and i say this as like someone who fucking thinks chrono trigger is one of the best games ever made you know anyways um it is it'd be would it be um
Starting point is 03:21:25 you know it's not glenn the frog it's just another glenn but dude that's the weirdest one by far but he's just some guy but he he's he's a swordsman and he inherits the the iron handser and then he can succeed it in double blade and then you can x cut you can't tell me you don't get a little tingle when you get a double tech or a triple tech go and chrono cross is like they took all the shittiest and most cringe parts of funnel fancy nine and combined it with the worst chrono trigger fanfiction of all time x cut except for that part that part's cool and then z z because you all three can do it bop bop bop i know well that's there's so much news let's i know the chrono cross though dude i could just i could just anyway i shouldn't stream that and so people just get mad every day
Starting point is 03:22:28 uh fine i can't stall for any well no we already talked about curbie we can why are you fucking stalling curbie is next but we we already talked about curbie so we it's gross moving on it's done um then there was a baseball and then there was portal um and then there was live alive which i was like oh i've heard that name before and i've seen it on the list of snes rom's complete collection first out laughing at the portal thing by the way that game is those games are unironically like 40 cents and they're going to be sold again for like 60 dollars gg um but yeah the uh live alive is one of those ones where it's like oh yeah okay kind of remember hearing
Starting point is 03:23:33 about this is that how you pronounce it i couldn't figure it out when i was watching it i think it's live alive i don't think it's live alive i think i think it's at least whatever i've heard it referred to which is literally i think only by like one or two people um it's been i think it's been live alive but yeah um you you you then kind of go like oh wait hold on this is a a game of pedigree that um then went on to like you know it was it was never fucking came out and then it influenced all this stuff and the creator fucking took that influence into chrono trigger and then into um uh i mean parisite eve and and and shit right so um yeah it's got some pedigree there it kind of reminds me of like how people talk about um uh terra nigma you know where it's just like yo this
Starting point is 03:24:24 fucking game that you know didn't didn't fucking it didn't it didn't blow up but like those who know from back in the day or like yeah that thing get given it love is cool so um yeah it sounds pretty dope um and the the the descriptions of what you do and how the game kind of works is um pretty rad and i've also gotten people kind of someone's written wrote up a pretty like detailed thing of like yo this you really like this game you should you should probably consider this when it drops um i i also see i think it's interesting seeing people adopt the um uh octopath slash triangle strategy style sprite lighting what's that called hd2d uh yeah i mean i don't know what to call it um like triangle strategy has a name like people people use it
Starting point is 03:25:15 it's like a visual style name hd2d okay uh i think it's like it's different it's a little it's with um triangle strategy because that's bringing voxels into the picture which are not necessarily always like gonna be what the game has but uh yeah it it's it's it's uh it's it's a style that i think is like yeah not bad i like i like that i wouldn't want to see like everything turn into that and i wouldn't want to see like every old game that i like turn into that i wouldn't want to see that's trigger turn into that i bet i bet they're gonna do that for tactics hmm um how was um the psp port of tactics looks exactly the same oh they didn't add anything or redo any no they added crippling slowdown oh god oh no okay do you
Starting point is 03:26:12 remember that no okay so there's a math error in the visual effects calculation that causes every single special effect in every battle animation to run at literally five percent speed so it was like hey here's your incredible new translation and the absolute shittiest graphics we could manage instantly inferior oh that sucks yeah so now the best way to play the game is either you hack a psp copy that has the bug fixed or you inject the translation uh from the psp port into the playstation one version of the game not the first time translation bullshit has happened that way um yeah okay that's that's unfortunate uh the best version of final fantasy tactics is the i think unlisted ios version so yeah i could use a god damn re-release with slightly printed up shit
Starting point is 03:27:19 fuck me i had an example of another game in a similar situation that i just completely lost all right whatever anyway um that is happy oh no that's what i was gonna say i was gonna say uh the the if the best way to current to currently uh run chrono crosses if you're seeing a fucking high up rest emulator that like has it in in super crisp um you know upscaled uh rendering you can you can see like what those models look like without any uh bloodborne psx filtering or dithering or dropped on top of it exactly yeah i thought you were gonna say that the best way to play with chrono cross is to reach in your toilet and grab it and mash it between your fingers no and be sure to read radical dreamers first to get the full the full connect well that's that
Starting point is 03:28:15 yeah um that felt super good to say at what point because it's poopy at what point do like objects just come flying at you from off camera you know uh she's not downstairs right now so it's good uh nintendo switch sports uh sure they there's no more boxing but they're sword fighting now um almost thought they got rid of me's for a second but then they showed off the me's yeah sure uh taiko no tatsujin triangle strategy cop heads coming out uh metroid dread they added uh dread mode difficulty and boss rush that's a pretty cool update can't shake a stick at that the only thing is um basically like i think i i so when i when i when the trailer came out and i said like damn the update i wanted was a um
Starting point is 03:29:25 a a a devil trigger right i think people kind of misunderstood what i meant by that hitchhiker modded the game so that you can wear the last suit anywhere and that's all i mean is an ability to use the the last ah there we go all right it's objects um um all all i mean is um yeah the the the the fucking uh the the thing that hitchhiker was doing mm-hmm so that would be cool you can you can that that triangle strategy uh coming out is actually really like they put out that demo the new demo that it's like hey dude here's the first like two hours of the game your save will carry over i love it when they do that it's good it's real good not enough games
Starting point is 03:30:24 do that and i'll tell you exactly well because of yakuza 6 uh well that's yes that is absolutely one really really glaring example uh and the second being uh literally it's just it's an easier product to make it's an easier thing to test it's it it's like the moment your demo creates saves it's a different category of software it's a yeah i bet that's a nightmare yeah if you don't have any saving at all you don't have to worry about a ton of shit um so uh yeah all right then you got to see um clonoa one and two that's pretty cool shout outs to to clonoa it's it's i have to admit clonoa is cool yeah i never i i only found i found out about clonoa with napko x capcom i i i did not know about clonoa before that but i was like oh it's a fun
Starting point is 03:31:29 mascot that's that's you know right on so that's that's nice that clonoa lives um and then um earth bound and earthbound beginnings um yep it's those games not mother three it's getting funnier every time it's getting funnier every time i'd rather give you earthbound zero than mother three yeah yeah and i and i was asking the universe about like you know um why they think that is or what's what's up because i just again i've never heard so many wildly variant divisive opinions and things like like i don't like it's it's weird in that like some people are like mother threes to one of the greatest games i've ever played and other people are like like it's dated as fuck and other people are like um you know maybe but meh and i'm just like oh man i was always under
Starting point is 03:32:36 the impression the reason why they won't uh they didn't localize it then was because of the bad sales of magical star sign i think that's confirmed okay uh but the reason why they won't bring it over now is they're in this weird situation where they left it alone for so long and now everybody who really wanted to play it literally made their own high quality translation which they can't get rid of like nintendo can't scrub it and so now if they were to do it themselves and they would have to redo it themselves they're competing with the free version of the game that's been out for like i don't know like nine ten years and they have to compete with that translation as well yeah like it's a fucking they they put themselves in a stupid awful situation
Starting point is 03:33:21 yeah um yeah anyway so i know i i i remain curious because uh earthbound is a fucking beloved franchise and certainly it you know did enough to inspire uh like toby fox and stuff so i'm like yeah what's this nest dude about cracks the bat hit uh well when he dies after the game he turns into sands oh yeah then he joins the mafia is that a theory no it's a fan fiction okay i live in a clown house mario kart 8 deluxe it's mario kart 8 deluxe and then yeah i guess i guess mario karts nine is a little far away because they're putting out like more than the entirety of the existing games amount of tracks as dlc yeah if it's all about the legacy stuff sure um and then zeno blade three it's hey i'm i'm ashamed that i didn't call it sooner with the british accents
Starting point is 03:34:36 you know listen i knew i felt like i knew it right away because the the flute was that uh metallic red and neon green that that must be in every zeno zeno game um but um um uh i'm reminded of i'm reminded of a tweet by a friend of mine named nep you know nep um who put out uh that zeno blade two is maybe the only game she had ever stopped playing because she just could not stand the look of the main character made her want to throw up okay and i have to tell you seeing the main characters of zeno blade three and have them being like good on your eyeballs compared to the absolute train wreck that is the main character of zeno blade like literally i'm so much more excited for this game specifically for this only reason
Starting point is 03:35:43 like it could be a way worse game than zeno blade chronicles to don't even care don't even care oh i just i just took a look yeah you forgot huh oh yeah oh god just the worst okay but hold on though hold on before you before you you you oh you fucking you dump on the zeno blade chronicles to uh uh protagonist here what about luso clemens the final fantasy tactics advanced protagonist two protagonist so the difference with luso clemens is that uh the defensiveness of his design doesn't actually come across all that clearly because it's a three quarters isometric sprite game you're not actually looking it's hidden and luso in cutscenes all the time every time you're running with fucking rex you're staring at his insane weird
Starting point is 03:36:51 grieves over bike shorts chaps look and it's and then the so ugly like the and he's like uh he's a single color from top to bottom like every like god it's so ugly oh boy um yeah in my head zeno blade is um a giant rope a giant mecca with a forest growing on it and an open field windows desktop and kids with british accents and a sword in the ground on that that desktop yeah yeah i have a i have an animated wallpaper that that cycles through that because it's fucking owns um yeah i remember also seeing the the sword girl designs and
Starting point is 03:37:50 those being a little okay it's not not super i forget what they're even called but mithra and pithra no that's wrong the ones that made it into this pair and mithra yeah i was like yeah yeah yeah no a little a little much a little much with all i think the bet i think the the most that could be said about uh paprika and molly is that uh they they prove they are the what proves the rule about zeno blade's character zo blade twos character designs in which when you add more clothes and less skin to every character on the roster they look cooler is that like you know the you know the versions in smash that had like that they were like covered up a little bit more and the designs actually looked more interesting
Starting point is 03:38:51 and i think the the mithra one was like very popular okay because i'm looking at like everyone seems to be fucking creaming over nia so i just looked at them up and i'm like oh this is like a cat girl in a full ball yeah it's a welsh cat girl i see okay okay also uh i know they got to be british in real like real british and that's cool and all but um i don't know about there's a lot of people who probably played zeno blade chronicles to listening to this and if you played it in english um it can't be overstated how important voice acting can be to uh your characters and they're theming and uh in the very first moment that rex tries to be a hero and runs towards a bad man with his sword he he goes and it's like like the character is
Starting point is 03:40:00 ruined from that day on from that moment onwards like i can't i can't you know what i will go and find it okay well i'll tell you this i just looked up uh wow it's an morag morag is awesome this is a fucking hell of a design the game oh my god it was such an easy that's powerful that is fucking strong good shit hell yeah found it literally found the exact clip oh god this is okay yeah here we go yeah this is from very early in the game you will you can either listen to it yourself in private it's five seconds or you can play it for
Starting point is 03:40:53 the play it for the the chat it's literally the first time ever i don't have volume control over this so i'm scared to click on it okay and play it on your phone if you want is it worse you need to hear can it oh it's can it can it possibly be worse than than Gundam seed yeah no no it can't that's yeah that's not that's not as bad that's that's it's not as bad but it's like it's not as bad right it's it's like the character is ruined
Starting point is 03:41:56 after that moment like already you've been staring at their horrible ugly design for like an hour an hour and a half and you're like oh cool they got the cool sword they're gonna do something oh oh no anyway um yeah there's a there's a they showed off the three and then that's gonna happen so yeah good good good good direct i like the front mission news i like you know i really appreciate that team i love zeno gears it's one of my favorite games of all time but i have to say their track record could be better zeno zeno gears great game every zeno saga game is terrible
Starting point is 03:42:48 zeno blade one great game zeno blade two bad zeno blade chronicles what was it called the zeno blade chronicles x yeah suck shit the expansion thing for zeno blade chronicles too apparently very good mecha transformation oh flying stuff though oh anyway um um i gotta say though like i i refuse any i'm just letting it put out there anyone who tries to tell me that zeno blade chronicles two is good i will just post a picture of rex at you um did they is there ever like a stated kind of like why gears was like never kind of fully
Starting point is 03:43:46 returned to in any way square owns it so okay yeah you're just doing the zeno without the it's the chrono crossing yes okay zeno saga was supposed to be like now we got a new publisher we can do whatever we want and the answer was that they shouldn't have been allowed to we can use the word zeno and and not get in trouble for it because i mean that's not copyrighted exactly yeah okay so use the word zeno have an item that's important be a metallic red with neon green highlights and that i mean that's pretty much it okay um some other stuff happened uh let's get through it um there's a capcom countdown clock it's gonna go off in about five days no one knows what could
Starting point is 03:44:45 it be what could it be no one knows do you know i checked the source of the page and i saw no details so i guess we'll just never know anyway in unrelated news uh some new details about Resident Evil 4 remake came out yeah what about it apparently a decent of the portion a decent portion of the game uh takes place at night now um it's inspired more so by the re4 betas so it's going to be a bit scarier it's scary yeah sky side characters will have big roles and uh Ada's campaign will be expanded yep possible early 2022 reveal but who knows possible
Starting point is 03:45:46 i think what good timing that they waited until the Resident Evil 4 HD project was completely finished before thinking about unveiling the remake i think um i at least remember conversations about how like the fact that it was daytime was like kind of interesting because it was like unexpected at the time well also um daytime and nighttime have gameplay effects in Resident Evil 4 okay so if it's if morgan the game takes place at night that means there'll be more uh enemies that can turn into plagues uh plagues happens more frequently at night okay well no they die from light remember they're like vampires that's why flash grenades kill them okay okay
Starting point is 03:46:37 um and uh five as well i remember started at daytime going through uh the the village and stuff like that so yeah all right well there you go capcom uh other things wolf among us to drop the trailer it's wolf among us looks looks like it's gonna be good i'm excited for wolf among us return to glass him him the glassing chronicles as somebody who has no history with that game people seem really thrilled and good for them it's one of the best of telltale's ever done it's i can't believe like oh there's the good ones and then there's the bad ones and um when you talk about
Starting point is 03:47:34 you know the good ones you talk about walking dead season one you talk about um the borderlands tales from the borderlands you talk about wolf among us solid shit uh what else is going on then it was announced that you may have caught wind of of this apparently uh something known as the shin japan heroes universe has just been announced which involves the crossover of ava godzilla ultraman and kamen rider and uh a really sick poster in the making a really sick poster and uh the implication of the website is that this is probably more than just a branding thing because i know that sometimes things get announced just as branding groups but uh they're describing this as a um a miracle project is the word that
Starting point is 03:48:50 is used uh that is uh involving the four theatrical releases leading up to something of shin godzilla shin avangelion theatrical version shin ultraman and shin kamen rider of which hideaki ano has uh inserted himself all over this shit because uh why wouldn't he so on the one hand this is coolest shit on the other hand page when she saw this poster the same time i did when you retweeted it had a really good question which is is ava unit one a hero when you get popular enough yes shinji and ava unit one are heroes of japan because that no doesn't matter you you recognize them they're big heroes what i don't know man when i already got a taste of this in usj when they did the ava godzilla
Starting point is 03:49:59 crossover and it already was like framing uh a shinji and the kids as a bunch of heroes that are fighting godzilla to save japan so it's just it's it's the kind of it's the same ava it's the shinji and the ava not from ava but that show up in material like that crossover or super robot wars where it's like you're still a hero you're just gonna be mopey in the cockpit sometimes but you're gonna fight to save the day and japan is proud of you crossover shinji is not the same as shinji like you got that this is like straight up you know and depending on which super robot game super robot wargame it is there might be a fiery hot-blooded hero to be like stop moping fucking get your shit together kid you know so uh yeah more information to be discovered
Starting point is 03:51:03 uh in 2023 i suppose once shin kamen rider is released uh but the classification of this as a miracle project seems like it's probably a big deal i want to see godzilla get knocked out by a rider kick i want to see all i want stop it we've already done this no we haven't in my head i've already done it what yeah you've done it for you by yourself i did i did i in my head i i already did it and and and fucking fucking kamen rider is uh riding up the back of of godzilla or runs up the back as godzilla charges the beam and jumps off right above into a rider kick that's amplified by ultraman and and and shinji is there to like hold the enemy in place and then the rider kick is is fucking juiced up and then it's just crazy yeah yeah you you you suck at this okay like
Starting point is 03:52:12 okay here's what it is kamen rider is okay shinji runs up does the things with all the artillery and then stabs the enemy and then and then it goes evo goes berserk and then arms freak out and then it starts going crazy and it starts pulling the enemy and ripping it apart and holding it open and then as that's happening the others are are you get you get the kamen rider running up the back of godzilla charging up a rider kick so that he jumps off in midair and then the energy that godzilla shoots amplifies that rider kick same for ultraman doing the beam and then that combination going into the character that you think would be the least helpful because he's just a small human and these are giant monsters but it turns out he's got this amplified super extra kick juice
Starting point is 03:52:59 makes the fucking kick explosion super fucking hard and awesome no no no no no okay so unit one they're all fighting the thing and unit one gets its fucking cable cut and runs out of juice and then ultraman holds up unit one and then godzilla does the beam attack into the port to turn it back on and supercharge it there you go and then he runs and ultraman gives him the leg up so he can do a huge jump so he gets way above the guy and then he takes the lance and unit one throws the lance as hard as he can and on the tiny tip of the lance you zoom in common rider doing the pose yep and then right before it hits he does the rider kick with the velocity of the lance and it explodes and you see common rider in the foreground and he does the pose and then all
Starting point is 03:54:04 of them do the pose behind the monster and then the thing explodes between them mm-hmm there you go there you go we've already done this in my brain shut up in my brain that was hype as fuck and whatever they come up with will be much better than either of these or not and then it's already and then you're just gonna be disappointed then you're just disappointed yeah yeah essentially though the core of it being uh do a triple tech or quadruple tech attack involving all of your iconic things combining into some new rad form to uh destroy the fuck out of some poor monster of the week like whatever they're fighting fuck that like whatever the fuck that thing is i think that
Starting point is 03:55:03 most important the more the the thing that we're thinking of is that common rider being a man a man person has to be turned into a projectile yes right that that's just the most obvious one because the moment you click on the comments of this announcement and you see people going what the fuck is common rider gonna do it's like exactly exactly that your expectation is why that pop-off becomes so big because alternatively the tiny little man doing the cool thing powered by the giants alternatively you can have shinji have a panic attack and then common rider just pulls the plug and grabs him by a scruff and tosses him and now common riders piloting unit one oh i thought they were gonna have to cheer him up and then maybe fucking god's go baby gojira
Starting point is 03:55:55 shows up to do a little dance and shinji can can stare at it and get so confused that he stops being depressed um and then in the meantime and then common rider an ultraman can fucking do the backflips into the inizuma kick but here's the problem this is not godzilla it's shin godzilla so it's gonna stand there and drop weird creatures and melt and bug the fuck out and scream not not a hero now and just murder the world because shin godzilla is not godzilla you know so so unfortunately you gotta update you gotta update the thought process here all right and fanfic saved and closed and then they kiss four-way kiss okay well common rider's wearing his helmet so he's fine um ultraman's wearing his helmet so he's fine oh my god shut up page you're too
Starting point is 03:57:10 late before the delay actually hit people watching it at home not live i just got a discord thing that goes when does shinji and common rider kiss just pop up on my fucking screen well godzilla already kissed by barf mouth lasering in the western version so laser barf mouth oh yeah i did that's kind of a kiss it's like a german kiss i'm sure this is that's the most that's the vilest joke i think i've ever made ever on this podcast i think they call it the baby bird challenge oh yeah right anyways um a couple other things uh one futurama is coming back again that's crazy this is the most resurrections i think a franchise
Starting point is 03:58:24 has ever had and guess what much like well things that get routinely resurrected this one's falling apart because it doesn't have joe demaggio as bender in it so who fucking cares i did not see that wow wow okay um because here's the thing is i remember when for futurama got resurrected as movies and then it got resurrected as like a proper two season thing but the to me i still the last episode i saw was the last episode of the original run um the devil's hands are idle play things i remember because it ends with fry getting the devil's hands and then he plays a flute song for lila to to to woo her and that was like the that was the note it ended on um i do not know what happened in wait did i watch bender's big score i might have but it was so long ago and so many resurrections
Starting point is 03:59:34 ago that it's like i guess they just still really want to make this thing but unlike simpsons which has like too much life uh futurama can't seem to you know get sustainability but i didn't hear about that with the casting so not everyone is returning nope huh and the weirdest part is when they did the announcement they're like we'd be open to having john demaggio return and john demaggio was like i would also like to come back which makes it sound like they never spoke to him hmm so who cares uh did you watch the the re the revival i never even i i never even watched the original futurama oh really it was it was good it was a really good no my my problem is that it never lived up to the funniest joke they ever made which is i believe
Starting point is 04:00:35 in the second episode um so in the second episode when they go to the moon they they show like a they show like a clip of the honeymooners they go jackie gleason always the consummate stargazer and it shows a clip of the honeymooners it goes yeah one of these days out yeah yeah yeah bam zoom straight to the moon yeah yeah yeah and like that's that's like i think my favorite joke maybe ever okay well and every time i watched the whole first season of futurama and the whole time i'm like man that moon joke was great i can't wait to and they never topped for me so i was okay well okay there's a there's a thing here and that is that i've i've known you for quite a while and i know that you are particularly fond of the honeymooners yeah
Starting point is 04:01:31 anything related to that so that is a specific pat cut that hits you that might not hit anyone who who doesn't know uh old tv um so it's if your trauma is fucking great like that that's it there are there are like there are jokes that get made like without even people like without even laughing go like yes noo snoo you know what i mean like that stuff is like yes it's good it's part of the culture at this point it's it's it's it's a bunch of satbrat against it you know um the coffee episode like it there's a you know slurm um there's there's some shit that's just like it oh no i think futurama is great i'm just saying i never religiously watched it because i watched the whole first season and was like oh man can't wait till they get a good as episode as that second episode
Starting point is 04:02:29 and then ever to me anyway did they were good but i felt disappointed at the end of every episode i think two weeks ago on this podcast you said without a laugh either like yeah when you make this game with blackjacket hookers right like it's so in the culture at this point that like it the jokes are living on in the way that the simpsons get bits lived on you know um anyway i don't know what noted ended off on with the last two seasons but um that's not having the full cast is yeah oh hey dude i know we got some more podcasts left uh i just drank this whole thing i gotta go to the bathroom again all right so i'll be back in a second okay but bye for now all right uh not a ton left but just a few uh things actually i mean two stories really one
Starting point is 04:03:26 Lord of the Rings the war for Rohirrim an anime has been announced set for 2024 um i got some wild shit and i'm reminded of Warner Brothers when they used to make all the Lord of the Rings games where it was just like yo we we we got the license to make Lord of the Rings things let's let's fucking use it um there's a Lord of the Rings anime coming alongside the rings of power which just got a teaser trailer for the new show that's gonna start and uh yeah i think it's quite clear i remember they this was the the the show was announced some time ago but i think it's quite clear it's like in the power vacuum for fantasy left behind by Game of Thrones uh comes Lord of the Rings but also Game of Thrones the the Targaryen years uh
Starting point is 04:04:35 we'll see i just i'm wondering if they're gonna make based on i mean the trailer looks like it's a bunch of stuff happening i wonder if they're going to try to make um high fantasy token stuff be or resemble Game of Thrones-ish stuff because of how popular that take on fantasy was where you add a little bit of like grit and resentment for your genre to the thing you know what is the Lord of the Rings TV show adapting uh the second age so is that the summer alien no that's the first age then what the fuck is the second age my understanding is that the second age is a number of there's another book and a couple of side uh chapters in a collection of some of the short stories so um after summer alien there's some other books that were written
Starting point is 04:05:37 that character that basically key they have glimpses of events and then there's like a timeline and i think this is based on that so it's nowhere near as fleshed out as um age one and age three so it's up to the writers and the showrunners probably cool that worked out great for Game of Thrones yeah so that's that's the question is like all right are you going to try to take the energy that like you know Game of Thrones had or are you going to try to keep it more Tolkien-esque original high fantasy um something that is uh it's minor but it is it is I felt this watching it was the trailer and the screenshots they released um it's a really subtle thing but but stuff that is modern tends to or modern age a lot of the time tends to be high contrast
Starting point is 04:06:41 you know um like there's a feeling that you get uh that makes something feel a little more middle ages old and timey when it's slightly desaturated and the old Lord of the Rings movies and the Hobbit to some degree have that yes there's desaturation happening and uh it feels like the um the trailer doesn't have any of that so it feels a it feels more it feels more modern than it should in a way it's a very very subtle detail on color grading but um it was it was something that I've like kind of was slightly taken aback by and and when I took a look at that trailer uh but how much of it is off the cuff and how much of it is based on source material couldn't tell you sounds like shit
Starting point is 04:07:43 I hope for the best I suppose um yeah it seemed I also don't know uh it's that uh the second age was like again like anything that was how come the dwarves don't got beards on them uh dwarf lady yeah she probably should yeah it's weird and then anime I have nothing good to say here okay um I'm like I can't I can't think of a fucking property that like needs to be an anime less than Lord of the Rings yeah I think the will like I said I'm reminded of the video games because I think the willingness to stretch the brand out um further than it needs to go is something what Warner has displayed you know I think Lord
Starting point is 04:09:02 of the Rings as a brand is something that should be narrowly confined to adaptations of direct source material also um we might be heading for the where oh you're already in the realm of diminishing returns in that like as a cinematic franchise like each thing after the original thing gets worse and worse yeah so the hobbit was already pointless but let's stretch it out even further though if here's the one thing though it doesn't it's it's it's weird because like I don't it doesn't even have to be good it just has to be better than the Targaryen years which are going to be its direct competitor for fantasy type shit man that concept sucks which is the other show that's coming race above the bottom that's it that's pretty much it you
Starting point is 04:10:10 know I it's it's weird because like every couple of years somebody gets the Lord of the Rings license for various things and it's like it's a really cumbersome license right like it's not a broadly applicable world or anything like that it's like the stuff in Lord of the Rings happened and then I guess there's some other stuff around the sides but like nothing about the the universe is interesting outside of the events that actually happen in the hobbits and little rings have you tried to read the cimmerleon I have not have you read even one page of that fucking garbage um the word fetishism thing though is kind of funny like I I I do like appreciate that that kind of person existed and then that's like this is what came out of them you know um but here's where's
Starting point is 04:11:08 what's up though like whatever lord I don't know who's going first right but whatever Lord of the Rings drops is going to do it's it's it's fantasy thing and it's going to have some action scenes and there will find ways to work in some leggy moments without leggy right um and you're going to be like oh man that that that elf did the cool archery on the horse and he took out the bad guy with a massive flip and then Game of Thrones is going to start and frame one is just going to be a titty full frame yeah one singular titty lit by fire and it's going to hold that shot maybe nine seconds and then it's going to cut away to another titty and it's going to be like damn Game of Thrones just won and then it's going to have a voiceover and it's like I don't know why
Starting point is 04:12:06 I logged looking at these these are my sister's bosoms and that's it and then it's over you know two whole titty lit by fire let's take some letters hey if you want to send a letter and send a castle super beast mail gmail.com that's castle super beast mail at gmail.com uh yeah well might might look a little something like this uh here's one coming in from uh sieve who says dear teachers who should get one till it's done since math genanigans brought up academics and learning the two things I wished I learned from my 10 years of education are how
Starting point is 04:13:03 to figure out what I was doing what I like doing and how to make money out of it what do you wish your education life taught you I wish that uh I mean I did figure this out eventually but uh it took a couple years I wish that I knew that at least as early as the mid aughts you could learn a lot of the shit you needed to uh enter almost any field by just reading what was online documentation for a lot of things are online learning how to fucking improve in all kinds of fields trades and stuff like that you can just read it on the internet without signing up for a ridiculous technical class that's going to cost you uh $15,000 or so which I didn't ultimately sign up for because I was advised against it by someone who was like yeah I just wasted my money
Starting point is 04:14:06 but yeah I wish I learned that you could learn shit on your own by just having the access to the resources and the work ethic to to grind at it uh any technical or job based tasks I've ever ever had to learn in my entire life I did better teaching myself how to do it with the resources you just described so in hindsight uh I wish my high school had more than a single semester of one year of home ec I wish there was more uh I wish shop class wasn't about how to solder fucking semiconductors and was about how to do shit you might actually need to do around your fucking house around the house like life skills generalized life skills would have been so much more important than almost all of the math that I learned all the physics that I learned
Starting point is 04:15:01 all of the chemistry that I learned now I didn't do any soldering in high school but I did learn how to solder when I started doing making arcade sticks and that that would well yeah certainly but dude I was in grade eight I mean taught how to fucking solder together semiconductors and I'm like human beings don't do this most of the time this is a job for robots or repair men but we're starting here why are we starting at this why aren't I building a shelf well wood shop wood shop for is what I what I ended up doing and wood shop did also come in handy for the arcade sticking for the case but um yeah yeah I meant circuit boards whatever but like still seriously either way um yeah and I I mean I think I'm a fan of like any any curriculums where you start
Starting point is 04:15:56 electives earlier you know now have a pathway for people who uh aren't sure what they want yet to explore and have a pathway for people who are sure to start improving so I have to say my favorite class uh in terms of its abject uselessness uh in my whole life was uh in grade 10 grade 10 was it great it might have been grade eight I had a mandatory class and you only got taught it on one year and it was only for uh you know half the year and it was typing huh yeah we had typing and it was typing on typewriters oh no we did it on old computers nope it was typewriters and set your home keys and my teacher was then you have to do this and like meanwhile children in the computer lab are like hey how's it going yeah we have
Starting point is 04:16:59 that stupid typing class now right and then she like do your home key and we're doing like no your hand your fingers are off the home keys like bitch I learned to type faster than your than every exam you have to throw up me in grade four looking up strategy guides on fucking how to god four no five grade five on how to look up and how to do things in soccer frontier well you're gonna regret it the next time you have to replace a ribbon and don't know how I I got to see something that will never happen again this very specific thing of an entire class of children being completely right about something and arguing with an adult who just stamps their foot and it just escalating further and further and further
Starting point is 04:17:57 and it's why are we being graded on typing mistakes you just delete them well you can't delete them on the typewriter to which every child in the class goes these are the only typewriters in the building we see you using a computer in the teacher's lounge what is the fucking point of the like that your school is fucking crazy I don't know what that is we had shit computers but they were still computers with a dumb little oh no we had computers who spent a computer lab there was just also a typing class that's fucking yeah it was it was insane it was that's crazy it was like this grand lesson for all the children that the world is bullshit everything is stupid I remember to uh like the first computers we had were just like the turtle game turning it and
Starting point is 04:18:58 drawing the lines and shit you know like really old floppy disk shit uh and by the time we were graduating I think I mentioned it before but like when me and my friends were shooting film projects and short and make putting together short films and shit like the the school board literally was like oh this is awesome we want to turn this into a film program that we can teach people with which is like thanks for you know like doing this on my way out cheers you know that's great the level of like yeah there's the slow to adapt thing with with a lot of these curriculums and programs has always been a problem I remember I have kids in the computer class having to help the teacher open their own documents yeah there you go exactly no but I do
Starting point is 04:19:48 have a friend who teaches who like um was part of like a pilot program that was you know teaching kids the introduction to programming um and and uh introduction to stuff that like was like if you if you're interested in games then like you can kind of like look into this this possible career thing and you know like I think like like the introductory programming stuff is like super solid like that's a great uh uh thing that you can start like baba is you style problem solving is something really handy that you can introduce at younger levels I still you know well we grew up in a really really specific time that will never happen again well hopefully not because the internet where everything I learned and how to do anything in elementary school was completely wrong by the
Starting point is 04:20:39 time I went to high school yes yes and then that happened again when I went to seijep and university where when I finished high school every single thing I learned in high school was wrong in the six months it took me to go to seijep no we're fucked because we are the gradient age we are the gradient era where literally we grew up without internet and like had outside sticks and fucking bikes to to to kill time with and then also internet came in and it and exploded during our childhoods and became the monster it is at the peak end of it so we saw both sides of it grade nine I think it was the grade nine where I had to write my exams in cursive because you have to know how to write cursive it's vital only to I think it was the next year that that just disappeared
Starting point is 04:21:34 like yeah no no like cursive disappeared from my school in that one year and then in grade 11 I was typing everything to submit on a computer and now and it's like oh cool glad I blew nine years of schooling learning this awful writing technique that no one uses and now friends that I have that teach are like yeah so every classroom is handing out iPads and teaching on a smart screen blackboard behind them and that's school school now is iPads and smart blackboards smart boards or whatever you know it's it's crazy it's a complete fucking 180 from the static state it wasn't up until the nineties ended essentially we just cut we just caught the tail end of it um all right we got one here from did you put a name down let's go with
Starting point is 04:22:45 joe cool hey there fighting green and mmo orange ff7 are regarding the plate drop and why they think it fails it doesn't have as much impact for one simple reason you get to go back in the original the area is locked away for obvious reasons in the remake you go back immediately and the area is continually shown that it's supposed to be in the impact zone but the damage isn't that bad hmm yeah I think I think the implication of what you don't see comes across as really dire I'd have to go back and like compare the moments exactly but uh I'm I'm I can accept that hypothesis sure uh yeah because when you when you wanted to go back you couldn't it was just a wall of a wall
Starting point is 04:23:46 of debris yeah I was like you know everyone's pancakes that's that man mm-hmm and you're left to your inferences about how bad it is in there and if you really want to think about it uh you're lucky if you got pancaked right what if you didn't and you're in there you know you're dead yes except in a way or you somehow got knocked 10 levels deep into the secret alternate expanded universe or deep ground all right and um yeah last one here uh Jennifer says dear punch girl enthusiast and bitchy redhead Somalia this isn't as much a question as much as a small bit of insight watching your
Starting point is 04:24:45 recordings of the last nintendo direct uh I was surprised you guys weren't familiar with live alive considering how much you like chrono trigger the easiest comparison to their connection is how pat points out re4 gave us dmc when ct blew up live alive remained in the shadows it's a square rpg that came out a year before and loss of its concepts carried over to ct you play through time but you don't time travel you select different time periods to enter um and playing through all of them leads to uh uh ones that lead to different endings characters are placed on a grid like battle where you move uh in la l i don't know what la l means um live alive oh okay right yes of course i was thinking of like a battle system anyway
Starting point is 04:25:38 some scenarios have elaborate tech based skills and allow you to enter the grid space music is done by yoko shimamura and each time period is designed aesthetically by a different artist including those of the manga profession so um square took what they learned and their artistic collaboration ideas and carried them over to chrono trigger uh yeah there's others out there that can give better breakdowns and similarities in the details but i hope you give it a chance um who knows between this getting a 2dhd remake and chrono trigger remaster or chronocross remaster maybe uh trigger will get a 2dhd remake to fill out the trilogy um yeah like i said i that's cool to know i i just wasn't informed on the history i i don't think we need to see like the lighting
Starting point is 04:26:25 treatment of um the 2dhd stuff but perhaps the pixel remaster treatment which is what the ff stuff's been doing i saw when i was looking into the the the six remaster i did see like the comparisons of like same pixel artist of back then touching up and improving the sprites across the board is like yeah that is the least like memory corrupting improvement you can do um as opposed to dropping a blur filter on the whole thing and calling it a day you know mm-hmm uh cool good with that i want more hd 2d games i hope that's what f have tactics is it would be nice and i hope that also exists it would be about how about i start there
Starting point is 04:27:19 um i want more ports that are not just not necessarily a remaster but just kind of like how i was playing silent hill and it was like oh this still has a crisp look that can hold up like you know the things that bloodborne psx is appreciating where you just like you can still enjoy a low poly model you know like rendered crisply um and yeah you're right woolly they should just make more games with character models and art design that's so good that it stands up modernly 20 years later of something that the silent hill two and three are uniquely excellent at for some reason you should just make good graphics and stay good forever make good graphics that stay good forever what's the problem i don't know how the character models in
Starting point is 04:28:19 silent hill three look that good it makes no sense i've seen screenshots of it where like you're a girl right yeah yeah yeah it does it it i don't know i don't know you know but anyway all of that is is just like embrace embrace the age and and the fact that people playing this you know are probably still going to be okay with the the these types of models instead of a uh a fuck like fucking with the fucking with the fog and fucking with the lighting and fuck like goddamn judgment i judge eyes judgment couldn't couldn't go one generation half skip later yeah it couldn't make it two years later without some weird shit happening to like the lighting and stuff you know like uh it's just it's that type of environment you know like come on man
Starting point is 04:29:16 all right anyways um it's no hope there's some hope but but i got nothing yeah me either all right it's been a long one folks leave us along by

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