Castle Super Beast - CSB 229: Complete Glorbo Saturation (feat. Vinny Vinesauce)

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

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[♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Hey, alright, there we go. We are now live and I have just re-exed. I've re-exed the tweet. No, the X, the ViniX. You've re-exed your X. Good X, bro. Good X. I give a sick X. I also Xed your X. Thanks, dog. I feel like there's so many things to say, but I think like the fact that every single person scrambled to just point out

That this is the most divorced thing that's ever has happened in the history of the goddamn world I mean I have I there's something there's something to be appreciated about like the like hey remember when PayPal was supposed to be called X No, okay, well I PayPal was supposed to be called X? No? Okay. Well, I do. Here's here's X now. Yeah. Hey, Vinnie, what's going on? Appreciate you pulling out. Thanks, man. It's always a pleasure to be in the presence of you and Pat. So thanks for having me. Dude, I'll be honest. I'm really glad to have you here. I'm so nervous because the last time you were on this podcast, you made me look like the stupidest idiot in the world and I'm just sitting around going, oh God, I hope that

doesn't happen again. I really don't remember that. I relayed the story. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's just that memory was totally gone until Willie reminded me, but I think you're gonna do great, Pat. I'm worried I'm gonna look like an idiot, like my alien looks right now. I don't wanna look like that, and really I don't like that thing.

Why? Why? What we need to happen is we need you to pull out of the pocket some sort of incredible phenomenon that has been a cultural sweep that we've been completely in the dark on for years and like to have a moment of you've never heard of PUBG is essentially where what we're referring to. I don't know what else you've got that we don't know about, but we dodge the biggest bullet possible and that Vinnie was not here when we sat around going,

what the fuck is Gary's mod? Is that the model viewer? Oh boy. How about Skibbity Toilet? Are you aware of Skibbity Toilet? I'm not a vet. I don't know about Skibbity Toilet. No.

Okay, I got one for you. This isn't years old, but it's new and it's important in the culture at the moment. Is it? Not really, but I'll tell you what it is. It's speaking of GMOD, so it's half-life characters in toilets that get like 80 million to 100 million views on platforms. It's like little like shorts of like say the G-man with a distorted face popping out of a toilet shooting things with laser eyes. Okay, I'm seeing it. And okay, okay.

It got so huge. I just did a segment on this last week and it was like very bizarre. And basically whenever a new one's posted, it'll get like a hundred million in like a day So that's how big it is, but it's still going back to old half-life assets weirdly enough Wow, give it a toilet. I don't the auto complete on Google was instantaneous with that one. I yeah, okay Okay, like I just looked it up on the internet and the first result I got was a YouTube video with a YouTube man face going Don't watch Skimmy toilets Yeah, so I was I was gonna say that if not if not Skimmy toilet

perhaps Vity would be the first person That was on Glorbo. Are you, are you aware of Glorbo? Yeah, yeah. Are you aware of Glorbo? Is that World of Warcraft? Yeah.

Yes, it is. Excitement for Glorbo. I don't play World of Warcraft anymore. It's been 15 years or so, maybe a little more than that, but my last one was, what's the second? Burning Cr... Wait, what was the second? It was burning first expansion I stopped after that. So that's how long ago we're going back here, but I'm aware of Glorbo

And I think it's awesome. Yeah, shit, Glorbo. Yeah, I'm very excited for Glorbo Y'all are just getting turned on to Glorbo now now everybody's all hyped for Glorbo But you weren't hyped for Glorbo then. What's up? Where were you? Where were you at? When global needed you, huh? When global needed you the most. Yeah. I love global.

Good shit. Always good shit. Damn. Alright, so for anybody who's not in on the joke, because we tend to do that and just move away. People on the World of Warcraft subreddit invented a fake feature called Glorbo and made a huge thread about how everyone excited for Glorbo. So excited for Glorbo.

So that websites that just use AI to just scrape subreddits for news articles, just auto-posted, complete nonsense articles about a fake feature that's not real. Oh, yeah, and it did exactly that. And it was like, it's so obvious that it was AI. And yeah, it's amazing. I mean, that could be happening across the entire internet at this point. Yes. Like the morebo is a microcosm. It's the best. Like it's one of it's a great like story of the times happening right in the middle of the strike right now. Just to show

you like the level of like how just instantaneous and garbage the product can be that AI is going to put out when it has its crawlers just grabbing anything going through the world of warcraft subreddit looking for the word excited, and finding as many exclamation marks as possible, filling in generic photos, like the level of like non-polish is astonishing. I feel like bad journalism, and in particular bad video game journalism,

was uniquely poised to be ruined by this exact thing, because one of the things that we've been complaining about for like 10 years is like, here's the news article. And the news article is just the press release that Blizzard sent out. It's like, that's all it is. So yeah, why not just have a robot scrape for articles? I just complete glorbo saturation. Yeah, why not just have a robot scrape for articles? Just complete glorbo saturation.

Yeah, man. Oh my God. I should mention wonderful. I should, I should mention that for me, I was doing like streams where I was showcasing. And this is like a year, two years, three years ago, like various AI things, whether they be like terrible, like deformed, strange marios, or like aliens, or like even just stories that ended up not making any sense. Yeah, you used that AI story generator robot thing to go down that nightmare rabbit hole,

right? Yeah, and I did before it turned into a huge conversation, and I couldn't really even foresee, because it was so bad. Like the AI was funny, it was terrible, and now they're using it to try to cut out the middleman and save money like an extra couple thousand dollars on hiring someone to do the thing. And it's like, oh, it's a real issue, But for the time, I was just writing stories about Mario doing things with the teletobbies and Mario would turn pink and die.

And that was enough for me. But yeah, I had no idea it was going to become what it did. It's the whole thing. It's a bunch of people who have not a slight people who can't fathom creating anything that's actually interesting. Being mad that other people can create things interesting It's like that's not fair. I should be able to do that I have money and looking at like the worst generated garbage and going yeah, that's good enough, right?

Yeah, and the ability to essentially like liquid paper over a performance if you need to change something or you know liquid paper over a performance if you need to change something or do an ADR or anything like that. Or perhaps you need to, you can start with that and maybe at some point you need to edit a kiss. Maybe these two people shouldn't be kissing in this market. Maybe we can change that through the magic of generating it or whatever the fuck you could expect, you know. Um, yeah. The, the, the level of like, like, for, it's the story that was like, okay, so they went out and like, cut all the trees down, uh, uh, right outside where the pickets were going to be just to make it. Oh, yeah.

Like, you're like, holy fuck, that's like super villain level. Like, there's some things that happen these days where you're like if you wrote this into a movie People would criticize it for being too on the nose Yeah, no you you're right. They also so they also like illegally closed down part of that sidewalk and a bunch of the the picketers got hit by cars Oh my god, because then they had to pick it on the curb. Jesus. All this stuff, it's just, there's this weird mental archetype

that is the worst guy that was in your finance class in university. Like I have recently started following what might be the most depressing, X account I have ever seen, which is called coin fessions, which is just anonymous confessions about how people have ruined their lives

of crypto and NFTs. And one that stands out to me is one that's from a game developer was like, we really believed that NFT crypto games were the future, but we looked at the market and they were all terrible scams and were like we need to make a real game. And they spent like the whole team's life savings and they're proud of it, but the people they're marketing to don't care about it and they just keep asking about the token price and the buy-in

Remember all that shit of like imagine yeah you're wasting your labor by playing a game you should be earning And it's like oh yeah, that was a huge thing, dude. I yeah, I know I I remember Years ago there was a someone I was talking to that basically had a like a website startup And they were interested in like making games to like Basically just offer to play through browser games and one of the things that were there talking to me about was like Oh, would you like to like design like a fighting game and something like this for this? And I was like, I don't know if this type of setup is the best for you know like anyway

But the basically there was a discussion about like what a browser fighting game could be with the limitations of that. And we've seen a couple of examples of that being all right, like there's a game called Tough Love Arena that works really well through browser. But it became very quick and apparent through a couple of conversations that it was like, yeah, I don't care what the fuck you make. The point is to just, it's just to get the attention, traffic, you know, driven through here.

And like, if it barely worked, it didn't matter. So much as it was just one of many games that you could get people's eyes to take a look at, you know. And they don't know or give a fuck about like, anyway, whatever, it's all, yeah, I kind of lost what I was saying in the middle of that But just use the AI and the Wully in so he can fill in the rest of this podcast with gibberish There you go. There you go. I did it with a I did it with a my own fucking Vtuber and I'm I'm I might do it again Who knows we'll see you got to beat

him to the punch. Is your Vtuber called Glorbo? My Vtuber is not called Glorbo but it should have been the SEO would have been wonderful. I have somebody asked me what my worries were of an AI taking over and like like doing what I'm doing better than I could do and I'm thinking and like that question came after me going on an Extendent tangent about me secretly breastfeeding rats under my shirt Like I don't think the AI is gonna be on the level for a while to think of that stupid stupid shit up that stupid stupid shit. Yeah. You know, it's funny. Here's a little and actually kind of, I don't know if there's a joke or not, but I'm

going to tell you someone on the Vine Sauce subreddit a couple days ago or maybe yesterday posted an obviously AI video of me with an AI voice saying, I'd like to say you rest in peace to Joel Varg Skelethor. It was nice knowing you, you know, it's really sad. He's dead and it was so clearly AI. My mouth moving was AI. Someone makes a post today. I'm really sad that Joel is dead.

How did he die? And like it seemed like a serious post. So the point I'm trying to make is, if even if it looks terrible and sounds terrible, it's so kind of fool some people. So, if they were serious, and if those people post about it, then someone else reading that is going to go, oh, I guess that happened, what the fuck in before you know what it's rolling.

There was a really great X thread a couple about a year ago that like show, it showed the Pope in that puffer coat. Remember that one? I remember that and I was this lady talking about listen you're not smart because you saw the puffer coat Pope and went that looks fake as fuck I don't think that's real right because if you look at it like if you really look at it for like a second yeah no it no, it's got the flaws. It doesn't look real. It's got issues, right? She said that the real concern is that most people didn't even really look at it at all.

They didn't even have the thought that they might be seeing something that was bullshit and just completely absorbed it totally uncritically Yeah, right right right so well, and I had a thing that is kind of similar to What you're describing Vinnie in which there was like a really old story in which I told in which I got a guy to sell me Street Fighter early, and then like over a year or two years later, he got fired for stealing from the store, and down the great fine it went until I can't believe Pat forced that guy to sell him Street Fighter and got him fired. What a dick. Yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah, and a million games of broken telephone on that, for sure.

That happened to me just the past, I mean, I don't want to go too much into it because it's become a bit of a rabbit hole. But one of a clip that was posted by a bot, right? So I didn't even post it, but it was me muting the volume on a voice in a game that was annoying. Oh, as I would. It was fine. There wasn't it. Yeah, it was.

And the telephone game got really annoying to the point where people started ascribing things to me like he hates this game or he hates women or whatever. And it's like listen. I muted the game. I muted the voice. And then later I said the game is awesome. But the telephone game, especially when it gets re-exed that many times. The game of telephone gets baby.

Let's go. The game of telephone is played so so intensely and there's a lot of bad faith people there too that just want to drive engagement. And it turns into a clown show. And so if you watch my full clip, I have more to say about it. But yeah, I mean, that's always going to happen, especially when something catches on and hits like a weird little like zeitgeist moment. That high on life game, you know, look 10 times worse. And I was offered a key for that. I just straight up refused because of how annoying it looked. So it's like, you know, there are definitely things that I could do to try to explain myself. But after a while, like, it's just no one's going to even hear that. So the damage is done, so to

speak. But, you know, and I want to tell people, viewfinder is actually an awesome game. So that's all the reason why. That's all the reason why. Recently, the, the, the, the bit about not, people not even critically looking at something and thinking for a second that they need to consider whether it's real or not is interesting because it's why I think what Matt Stone and Tray Parker were doing with Sassy Justice, if you remember that, they had basically, okay, so South Park Guys made a company called Deep Voodoo, which is all about

like Deep Fake technology and they used it to make this show called Sassy Justice with a bunch of deep fakes of Mark Zuckerberg with a Southern accent, selling you, I forgot what like lawnmowers or something. And then it has like Trump as just a guy with a weird accent as well. And like their faces are like clearly what you recognize, but their sound voice and behavior is completely not that.

And it's like, it's for comedy, but it's like if you see it, it might give you pause if you're not used to this. Like your parents might see and go, what the fuck am I looking at? Oh, right. And that little moment of, wait, why is he, huh, he doesn't sound.

And it's like, yeah, we can do this now almost, you know? And it makes you aware of how fucked and how close we are to that. And then I mentioned it a couple weeks ago, but there was a recent Kendrick Lamar album where one of the tracks they used that same company to like have face morphing and he turned into a bunch of different people in it, but that particular show that they put out, and I think it was just on adult swim or whatever, like it has a purpose of like being funny, but also catching anyone who doesn't know that we're here,

that up to speed and letting you know, no, no, no, no, we're here now. You cannot tell. You know, shit. Yeah, it's a weird, it's a weird, scary time. And also people are going to make their decisions on the first thing that they see. First impressions are extremely important. And some people don't have the time. I mean, there's also, I have some sympathy because some people just don't have time. They're busy working like two jobs,

you know, they have families like I understand why some of this stuff gets perpetuated and why it's so difficult to be a discerning like human being when life's already complicated enough and you have no time to actually like, you know, spend on that particular thing and then it turns into, well, that's how I feel about it. I don't care. Yeah. It's pretty easy for us to set around as professional media consumers and go, well, obviously, that's fake. Yeah. And that's right. When you don't have time,

you turn to X and you scroll through the top X's to see what's, what everyone's talking about that day. You keep it. That's right. What people are talking about right now is their Kingdom Hearts names because the we're all part of organization 13 now. Shit where was that? Yeah yeah someone someone excuse me someone X that me. Oh yeah X is more than just one letter it's a symbol the Greek symbol for Chi or X blade, which will be formed when Ventus, a being of no darkness, fights Vanitas, a being made of darkness, and opens the door to the power of Kingdom Hearts. This is just hard content to the wood. You let him cook. Hold on, you know. Hold up.

Oh, that's so wonderful. What a great timeline we live in, huh? Oh, yeah, the best. It's so real great. I mean, I just, I woke up this morning planning to fucking come talk about like some street fighter and other random bullshit. Oh, man. You never know. I never know where it's gonna roll.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, where are you gonna say Pat? I was like, this is a really good, because sometimes we have guests on the podcast that like aren't super into fighting games and like so it's difficult to talk about Street Fighter. Today is a day where everyone from every skill level

can understand the big story. Get out Street Fighter. Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, just to just to touch on it and go, because there's come other stuff I do want to get into, but Rashida is a new character that just dropped and the two fighter six has been going great so far and a big wild move was that they announced that a downloadable character that's not in the game until yesterday is going to be a legal at EVO, which is coming up in about two weeks from now. The big finals for the big fighting

game tournament of the year, so to speak. And usually that's not enough time. Like one week, that is balance the character. Yeah, for everyone to get used to it, because you've been practicing on playing on a version of the game that's been a certain way. And then, you know, the closer to the tournament that they get released, the more it's level random, kind of unknown. And it's like, you know, introducing a complete,

yeah, like unknown variable. But they kind of just, Capcom said, I have fuck it, let it rock. Yeah, that's cool, man. It's exciting. And it is an exciting thing for the viewer to be just like, yeah, we don't know what the fuck's gonna happen. Let's see if Rashid blows up, you know, like all the people we expected to win and stuff. And like, so that kind of like hype and wild response has been

what people have been talking about recently. And then yesterday, when the character dropped, they found basically an infinite, like unstoppable bug within. Oh, no. Within like five minutes, like instantly. And like any of the counter play that you think you might apply to it can be counter played upon. So like literally just breaks the game open. Yeah, no, he throws out his level two. And if you block it, it just goes infinitely and you eventually die.

He can push you. And I saw people going, oh, but you can parry. It's like, yeah, but he can throw you and then you still get mixed up. Like, oh, you can drive reverse it. Yeah, but then he can block that and still mix you. Well, it's just fucked. And like, they're going to have to probably do something about that. But this whole, like, the excitement of a brand new unknown factor, like, this is what could happen, you know, when you just unleash it into the world. Oh, it's great. You let a chipmunk into the fucking house and you're factor, like this is what could happen, you know, when you just unleash it into the world.

Oh, it's great. You let a chipmunk into the fucking house, and you're like, right, let's see what happens, guys, you know? Like, yeah. But anyway, that's, I'm, that's so, it's so busted looking, I'm sure they're gonna address it. So I'm not that worried. Do you think, when you say address,

do you mean make the character like illegal for the tournament or potentially just patch the character? I see a patch. They're gonna patch it. Because I think they want people to buy the character so they're gonna leave that as a legal thing instead of banning them because it's like, yeah, there's a big financial incentive

to push people to. Yeah, they've already said they're gonna patch it. And so, there you go. Yeah, when they found that fucked up option select a while ago, they said within a day, I know we see it and then it was like mostly fixed within like a day or two. A lot of stuff takes time to get around to if it's like minor or like mild, but if it's like major like these things are, it's like, okay, no, all systems get on that immediately. So yeah, I'm excited. My, my street my street I listen I don't play a lot of fighting

is we might have talked about this at too many games will but my fighting game history is pretty limited I played a lot of soul caliber and some mortal combat but like the Street Fighter 6 looked so good I had to buy it now I've only streamed it like a couple times, but it is like a phenomenal video game. And of course, what do I do as a streamer is make a fucked up looking character. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we all, we all. That's just, you're a Pee. You're a Prodynberg, you must. Mm-hmm. So yeah, I mean, I don't really have much to say other than game is good, glad you're enjoying it. And make the weirdest freaks you can. This system enables it and rewards you for it.

Yeah. The longer you lose the further you can reach, you know, like all of that is crazy physics. Yeah. Yeah, I made golem and he doesn't have a lot of reach. Yeah, that's where that cut scene. I was watching a cut scene. Somebody sent me and it was gollum talking to Jerry, like what is happening until I then I heard you laughing

like quietly in the background. Pat, I like how much of my content has been force fed into your life. Oh yeah, do it all the time. Like against your will. Like I, I, I, I vividly remember like just, I, I, I, I, it's not you, it was Joel, but I was playing something with aliens

and people just kept spamming fucking Ufo Porto at me non-stop. Yep, that's Joel. To the point where I had to stop and be like, what, what the fuck are you saying to me? What does this mean? Yeah. Vinnie, your content is being force fed

into David Hader haters life, okay? Like it's it's yeah, it's becoming aware So my audience knows that story. I don't know if you want to go into it for a minute But I don't know that they do here. Okay, so I'll mention real quick Me and Wilgot a chance to hang out at Okay, so I'll mention real quick, me and Wilgott a chance to hang out at too many games with I patch wolf. We had a really good series of conversations like pretty much the whole weekend. It was just great. And David Hader was there. And essentially he was doing his thing. He's really extroverted. He gets just he gets so many fans that come up to him and he gives them what they want. He gives them the snake thing and it's great

That was sounded weird Hearing it back in my head gives them the snake thing does not sound weird. We're gonna move on everyone does it So I see David in the the room where the the the tuber folk are to hang out, you know like the waiting room and the the tuber folk are to hang out, you know, like the waiting room. And he's like, he introduced himself to me. I'm like, David, I have to say I'm that Vinny guy who is introduced that horrible thing into your life. And he knew exactly what it was. I was like, I just want to apologize.

Someone paid him on cameo to say, ah, Vinny, I heard that you have a meme where riding wants to squeeze snakes hog. And he does this whole thing. And now he's incorporating it into his life, the squeeze my hog meme, and he like yelled it at me. And then like he recorded a video with me and then me and I patch wolf are hanging out. David is, you know, hanging out. He's having a couple drinks

and he's like, Vinny, squeeze my hog. Like crazy. Like from another table, like just out loud, bringing it like constantly. Like what a, what a champ of a dude. Like he's, I saw that you described it as like, he knows exactly what he means to people and like he gives them that and it's like yeah that's a really good way to describe it.

He gets energy from social interactions whereas I kind of don't know him right no no thanks and he also gets energy from the face you make when he yells squeezed by hog. Oh see no that I understand understand that I understand perfectly. Yeah. Yeah. We all know that feeling of course. Yeah. Um, yeah. So I guess just to go on like weeks or whatever's been going on recently, anything you've been watching, playing, checking out that's of note. Yeah, I watched a drone show that, uh, there is fry from Futurama. There was like a drone show the other day. Did you see that? I, I didn't see, I didn't see that. How, how did that go?

I just watched like a clip of it, but I was, and now anytime I see anything drone related, like, like in the sky, a nice show, I'm like, woolly. They don't know yet. They don't know yet. They don't know. We just talked about it. That's all I'll say. We had a long conversation about it.

Yeah. Okay. Are you abandoning kites for drones? No, no. But now I suppose we have to discuss it. Because this was for me. This was, and I shared it. and I shared it and I shared it it was a conversation we had but I guess now it's out here so we're going fine I'm sorry well

I it's okay um I knew this day would come someday and that's that day is today I suppose right but uh I I love kiting obviously and it's just it's one of those things where I still do But more importantly, I just there was a there was just a thought as to like what what is something Okay if I ever fucking was just out of this game and Gone yeah, and YouTube shut down and everything. You've retired from public life.

I feel that there are things that are currently possible but not being fully, that the potential of the technology and the places we can go is not being fully realized. And quite frankly, I've been keeping my eye on drone shows and the way those things paint in the sky from when they were really basic to now when they're really advanced.

And I'm like, these things, no one's paying attention to them, but these things are fucking amazing. And you can do unbelievable things and we're just scratching the surface of it and like I would super go hard into Art in the sky via drone And I just think that it's it's a field that requires a lot of attention and To take it to the next level it would require a lot of dedication and time and, you know,

engineering and ingenuity. But I just, I don't have that kind of time and I don't have the ability to set that up in my life. But in an alternate reality, I go a million and 10% into that direction. And I believe the end of the conversation was, well, if ever you don't hear from me, Vinny, look at the skies. That's where you will be. Yeah, look to the skies. Yeah.

Well, I've been looking and apparently yesterday at San Diego Comic-Con, there was a Futurama promotion and they did a bunch of Futurama art in the sky. So that's why this came up. Apologies for giving that away, but yeah, I forgot, sorry. That's okay, that's okay. You know, it's a good bit. It's my dream, but it's also a good bit.

I feel like I'm speaking to that. I feel like by speaking to that sacrifice my dream for the bit. I feel like by speaking that into the air, we are now one 15 minute period away from finding out that all drone operators have been replaced by AI. I mean, certainly. Certainly. But the reality of it is that like,

one of the biggest problems is that like, the sound is too loud, we can't get over that. But I just think that there's so much potential there. And like, the fact that I, when I first saw it, I'll post a video of like, it was like a very basic, I think it was just like a Pac-Man or something simple, whatever. And it was like, is anyone else seeing, like the potential behind just the idea that this is a coordinated thing,

not just turning lights on in a pixelated form, but like a fully three-dimensional thing. I sent you that dragon the other day. Like, it's getting there and no one's super paying attention except for like at like new years. They'll be like, oh wow. Look what this country did. That's crazy.

And it's essentially digital fireworks are happening. It's more importantly than digital fireworks. It's that it's reusable fireworks. Yeah. And the potential to like set up a shop and have a thing where you're like, okay, we can do this big scale for a celebration or we can do a small scale for like a wedding or like a party somewhere, you know, and as long as you can work out that's the noise part of it, you can just have these awesome things and it's not going to be as like, because I mean,

obviously, Fourth of July is huge in the States and everything like that Yeah, like the the ability to coordinate this and make it like not as like smoke filled and crazy and nuts with the everything But I love fireworks. I fucking love this. I want to I talked about it before like I wanted to be a pyrotechnician for a while in my life Like that was a real thing But just the fact that you can, yeah, reuse it and then go further, take a step beyond. Like I'm fucking, it's the cool thing, man. And not scare the shit out of animals.

Yeah, that's a big one. You know, it's funny, because like I'm looking at, so Vinny just posted in the little discord chat we have, he posted the Futurama show that he's describing. And it's really cool, I skim through it. And I don't know if it says more about my personality or maybe the state of the drones but like that's really cool. That's really impressive. But to me that's not as violently impressive as a 1,000-tall-foot-fucking-sphere that just turns in

with giant goddamn eyeball that looks at you while you're golfing. Yes, yes, especially while you're golfing. And there's that you're horrible putt. Like I love the sphere. I love it. So it is both an eighth wonder of the world and the Cyberpunk nightmare here, now for us. I'm looking forward to seeing that in Vegas for EVO and I'm gonna get up close and I wanna see if I can get close enough to see the annoyed disappointed golfers. Out of the greed.

It's one of those things where I look at it and I go, you know when people are like, oh, we're living in a Distopia and then you think of all the dystopia fiction that you've encountered over your life like blade runner Like shit's cool in blade runner. It's run down an awful, but aesthetically. It's really cool Socks and his lame. It's like the TV dinner version of dystopia Except for that big scare. Yeah.

Also, there will be more. Yeah. And the thing is, the importance of the context is that the Las Vegas skyline is not only ever changing, but it's always been a nightmare. Yeah. Like the fucking the old days of the casino era, like stripped are long gone.

There's all kinds of garish, weird, horrible buildings popping up in nightmare casinos like year to year. So like what the fuck is just one more huge, weird orb that stares at you or turns into a planet and does all kinds of other creepy shit? I have sour on. You know what? It's funny that you mentioned garish things in Vegas because in New York City, the skyline

is all kinds of fucked up by just like these tall, skinny penthouse buildings like near Central Park. And there's like the character of the skyline. And it sounds weird, but to someone who grew up, you know, I mean, there's a romanticized version of the skyline that was like so iconic and merchandise in like postcards. And you look at it now, and it's like kind of just a jagged hellscape. And a lot of these tall, skinny buildings have like, you know, 26 condos in them. And that's it. Yeah. So I brought this up when I went to New York years ago last time. Um, is it maybe, which one was it 432 Park?

Yep, that's the one. 432 Park Avenue. This fucking horrible looking thing, because we went to, um, we went to, uh, the Empire State Building and we're looking out and I just remember looking and seeing this This ugly colored weird skinny thing. I'm like, what the fuck is that? Oh, yeah, I hate that building I just googled it. Yeah, and everyone that was like from from there basically was just like oh god that thing They're like yeah people are just they're building up because they can they can they've got the that one spot plot plot of land

So why not go as high as possible and make their mark, you know, it's lunch more Yeah, and I saw the plans for The the you or the curve whatever the fuck they want to build one that curves at the top into a second building now And it's similarly skinny and ugly and just fucking hey, I've got a lot yeah I'm looking at that awful architecture I got a question which would you prefer I've seen the New York issue of like some of these neighborhoods are getting like two hours of sunlight a day Because of the skyscraper encroachment and that's the like ff7 fucking pizza in the sky made me a fest or fucking pizza in the sky made manifest or the situation in which look we made a gigantic artsy building that just happens to reflect the sun in such a way that causes a fucking laser beam of death to sweep across the city like that

fucking thing out of London yeah like I'm I'm big on the laser I'm a big fan of the fucking your car got melted by the fucking menu life building or whatever the fuck it is. Yeah, I'm all for corporate sponsored laser. Like yeah, that'll be fun. And then like they could have it focus into like a little like rate, like a dish. And that focuses back into the sky and advertises on the moon. Oh, that's for that. Oh, like that. I just, I feel like, like Spider-Man needs to be swinging off of art deco buildings or Batman needs to be posing on top of those. Not these weird fucking shitty Lego ones.

Yeah. Anyway. Well, yeah, I mean that's that's You know and again talking about Final Fantasy 7 just to segue real quick like I love that style right so Blade Runner I mentioned real quick is my favorite movie and it's not because the movie is like narratively amazing It can be if you really dig into it, but I love the way it looks. Yeah. And I like the way New York City looks at night when it's raining as well. Like it could look kind of cool. But yeah, I mean, there's, there's something about that

final fantasy seven, like dystopia feel that I really like. And you get to a point where, you know, and this is gonna be a complete 180 away from what we were just talking about but Let me ask you guys a question. Do you prefer that style of final fantasy or do you prefer like Castles like towns. There's a conversation. I've been having since I've been playing 16 So where are you standing in regards to the aesthetic of like a final fantasy game? Is this a place where we have to live IRL or Setting okay, okay To me, I think I think like cyberpunk and steam punk and things like that

I think they're they're more interesting. We've seen a lot of different versions of them recently. And I pick that generally, just because there's, again, I feel like there's a lot of themes you can explore with it. There's a lot of visual things you can do that are. of visual things you can do that are. Like, I like how in that type of setting, the oppression of like how big the buildings can be,

where the slums are and that type of thing. Yeah, that's a feeling, right, that you get. Yeah. Like in a sort of traditional setting, that might be there for like one area or so, but like it's not, it's not at all really a major point of the setting. A lot of the time there will be like, well in 16 you can see the way what was it? I'm just walking up to it, but the the castle on the hill on top of the with the big magic mind is still

yeah. Yeah. So you can see that as like a sort of like, oh, this is a place that is better than you, you plebian, stay in your filth, you know? Yeah. But I do appreciate the like grime on the ground of like having, you know, the way you could have a midgar sort of set up and then right next to that are immediately sometimes right up against it.

The contrast of the super rich and the class fucking disparities is something you can play with visually, you know. And also from a story element too, that's what makes Final Fantasy VII I think so rich for people like to this day. Like there's something about that and like it's saying something without like completely saying it sometimes by just showing you what it does, like that whole thing. I really like that setting. I mean, I like swords and castles. I like what they're doing with 16 because where you're at right now, well, is my favorite part of the game

thus far. I'm like not far from where you are. I'm a little bit past it. But like seeing, you know, they're doing a thing where they're showing like how people are being treated versus the people in the castle. So yeah, it's really interesting shit. And I like when Final Fantasy does that because there's something, you know, that's something that we see like as someone who lives in New York City. I mean, it's Staten Island, but we also have that massive disparity between, here's the hill with all the mansions, and then here's the spots where there's really like low income, and then you go into Manhattan,

and it's the same thing. Down the block, there will be super rich, and then down the block from that, there's some like super low income shit, and it's just like, that is a really interesting, that's why New York City, I think, also has a lot of character, and there's a lot of, people do tend to band together when there's a problem,

but there's also a lot of crazy shit that that like does. So I like that setting in a fantasy game, I think it's interesting to explore But anyway, I'm kind of wearing those. No, no, no, no that I got to say like I'm trying to think because like I don't think I agree with either of you guys in terms of my personal preference 16 is definitely really interesting because you have like, you know, the evil-y setting right in the past Patactics and tactics advances and vagrant story, right? And 16 is even regressed from that. Like 16 is, despite the presence of icons and gigantic,

you know, magic Godzilla's, it's like the lowest level of technology ever on display in a final fantasy game. To the point where people can't even light fires like a standard cooking fire without some form of magical equivalent and the tech was there but it's just but now it's gone like you know like the the the bellows is like oh what the fuck is that um 16 is really consistent about that.

And that's really cool. Personally, I think FF7's like pseudo modernism, or like, I don't wanna call it steampunk. I wanna call it oil punk, if that makes any more sense, cause I view more as like an oil analog. But like, I really like that. I don't like is near modern, near post-modern futurism, which I would define as like parts of eight or 13. Right? See?

Like the far futurism, Final Fantasy, I feel it's too much. And so if I had to pick like any of the particular styles, I would go with something that I would only see described in 6 and 14, which I'm going to call regional futurism, in which a low level of medieval technology approaching something you'd see in evil east or sixteen and the cultural styles therein with technological advancement being like left to a single nation. Such as like the ff6's empire all of that yeah that's my favorite incredibly similar empire so I like when I mean it goes without saying but when when the setting is as alive as

characters can be you know um you're talking about how New York uh uh has that that kind of contrast in Montreal here there's a street called Lackadzee and Lackadzee And Lackadze divides TMR, town of Mount Royal, which is gated giant shrubs, beautiful houses, and ParkX, Park Extension, where kids are playing in the trash bags in front of the projects that the buildings are fucking collecting garbage from. And like you drive down the road and you see it in your same light of vision on both sides.

And like when you kind of have that type of thing existing, it says something when you see that in a setting and when someone really shows you that. If you were to take the cars out front on one side and you see the exhaust of their, the gas tank going back into the muffler, you're like, oh, that's looper, right? Looper is like that future setting that's like, oh, you can see how we get to this place from here.

Like just fast forward a couple of horrible decades and we're right there. Yeah. I like when you, you know know that all that stuff happening, Meezons send in the background or whatever is calling to your attention as much as the setting is. As much as the characters are. Yeah, for sure. I guess I'm thinking of like even when it goes overboard like with like,

so I haven't played Cyberpunk, but I played a, but I watched the Edge Runners. I said played, there you go, there's a membrane. But watch this watching Edge Runners and seeing said, played, there you go, there's a membrane. But watch this, watching Edge Runners and seeing like, yeah, even how that is is, you know, you get on a subway and you just, the main character going to school and back. It's like you're, yeah, Blade Runner inundated with ad space, lights, sounds, noise,

noise becomes the gray because it's so overwhelming, you know. if you can use that to like add a detail to the story, that otherwise would kind of just be like taken for granted, then it's a much more interesting setting. It's a better way to go, you know. Yeah. Having played Cyberpunk, I like the setting, but I also, there's something about it that repulses me because of that like extreme amount of ad space. And I do see New York City becoming more that. And yeah, it's just

like Times Square is a nightmare. Anyone that visits, they're like, should I go to Times Square? I'm like, please never do that. It's, it's fuck so. Let's go to the big ads, Vinny. Yeah, I'd rather a neon sign for Atari as opposed to like a big hell screen, you know? Okay. And it's just like blaring in my face. And the screen doesn't have to, like the screen is the beginning of it

because really the next level is the projector light onto the building across the street, you know, shining into where someone's living, like roasters fucking chicken coming through the window, you know, shining into where someone's living, like roasters fucking chicken coming through the window, you know, like that's like light sky writing and all that, you know, you could just go to all the fucking hell permutations you want to with it. But, and it's fun to visit.

I'm glad I don't quite live in the city. Like I live in more of a, it's more suburban, but I will also say we do get all the light pollution. So as someone that likes to look up at the stars and the sky once in a while like that kind of sucks So I have to like drive two hours upstate to maybe get a little bit of a Why don't you just ask will it to make you some fake night sky with drones? I can I with drones. I can I can I can put things together who needs real stars we can have better stars that also sell you Coca-Cola. Don't make fun of my secret dreams.

Well they're for me. They're to make me cats out of the bag unfortunately but you know what I won't make fun of them. I will say I love that idea of how great would it be to walk through Manhattan and have a drone come up to you and project a Coca-Cola ad directly into your face. Oh, I love it. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah. Give it a second. Where the money is. I mean, like the other cool thing that people are doing with drones is they're doing like essentially F zero races. I don't know if you've seen those, but they've set up like warehouses as race court race tracks and they have like rings of light that they have to fly through

at high speeds. And I did see that. Yeah, you can basically do F zero slash wipe out. That was a lot of the mini games in fucking judgment. George judge eyes, whatever you want to call that game, where you were doing drone races instead of like go kart races. Oh, wow, okay. It's neat. It's always fun to see one of those videos of a guy is like zooming through a warehouse and going check out

this cool trick where I do a backflip. And then he clips like part of the roof and then his $1,000 drone explodes in a million pieces. It's like cool trick bro. Okay, so there's a couple things I did this week that I would like to jump on. Oh before we continue I just should make a mention because we've been doing it for an hour. I had a different location currently. Page and I have temporarily located to be close to her care team because baby is

any minute now. So I'm using a different microphone. I'm using a different webcam. And that'll be continuing for until baby is here. So just to let you guys know. There you go. If I'm the guest while this happens, until baby is here. So just to let you guys know. There you go. If I'm the guest while this happens,

that's gonna be two major events in your life, Pat. Club G and baby. Please don't send my wife into labor right this second Vinny. No, no, no, I won't, I won't. But you know what, show her some Skibbity toilet and it could happen. Yeah, yeah, okay. Oh, I'm not doing this.

It's so wool. Yeah, what's up, Woolie? What do you got? I don't know. I, a, a, a vision of, of a nightmare where Vinnie turns around holding a swaddled baby and then the face turns over and it's an alien. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I'm so sorry for that vision for both of you.

Well, anyways. I went to, so the Fantasia Film Festival was happening this week in town and I went to go check out some movies and the first one I watched was Shin Common Rider, directed by Hideyaki Anno of Ava fame. Is it good? It was fun. The main thing to know about it is like, one, Anno is still extremely obsessed with the same subject matter of Ava. And you can tell that when you're watching Shin Godzilla and you can hear the literal music from Ava and you can see all the bureaucracy and the bullshit and the government inefficiency

like falling apart, all of that stuff is happening, so you can feel his citizen there. And then his whole human instrumentality shit is still thoroughly alive and kicking things. Really? He just injects that shit hard into common writer. Still. Still, right?

Really? I can't believe it's and it's kind of wild because it's telling the story essentially like and like almost like a more manga driven version of the original series about you know the the first about itchigo the first common writer and it's interesting because it's like it's the way the movie kind of comes together is almost like a cool it's almost like a summary movie for a show that never happened. Okay. Okay. Going through like the bosses and dealing with shocker and then you know taking out like all

the the different threats and so on. It feels like you're you're watching a death and rebirth of a show that you've never seen, you know? And it's like, and all the things to about it were just like this show, this is aggressively not trying to be like a new take whatsoever. Like there was a apparently an anecdote was like the art team redesigned the suit,

you know, Hongo's Comrader outfit for this new world, this new futuristic take on it. And then he kinda went, okay, make a few tweaks, maybe make it a little bit more, just dial it a little back a little bit. then he gave them such like bare bones feed back on stuff but he was just like, no, not quite what I'm looking for. Try again, that eventually they just realized all he wanted was the original suit with a couple extra lines on it and it's like, why didn't you just tell us that's what

and he's like, oh, I figured you'd get there eventually. Yeah, why didn't you get there by yourself? Yeah. Wanted you to get there by yourself. Yeah, why did you to get there by yourself? Just like literally none of this reworking, redesigned modern shit just take the god damn thing it used to be and add a lighter to call it a day, you know. And it opens on the teaser that was shown off before the movie came out where like he jumps into action, he does all the flips like you'd expect, you know, and then when he hits the, um, the fucking grunts of the week, uh, you're hearing 70 sound effects, but their bones and heads

are cracking open and exploding into massive pink mist blood like fucking and it's just like oh God what what the fuck and it's like yeah like let's take that but make it also the horror of anno you know and and and really drive home that point and like he's like if you punched all the blood out of someone insane and then but then you're still hearing the, like, again, the retro sounds of the 70s and stuff, you know. It was a lot of fun, man.

And yeah, there's some proper, I guess, like existential horror shit, you know, there's some proper questioning of the nature of the soul of man and the nature of the afterlife and the nature of what humanity's happiness should be, you know, and like all of that in the span of like one fucking common writer, you know, and he's still asking those questions, but now he just wants a dude doing writer kicks off a motorcycle to answer them. And the answer is writer kicks, of course. Yeah a dude doing writer kicks off a motorcycle to answer them. And the answer is writer kicks, of course. Yeah. How many writer kicks are in this movie?

Oh, there's a good couple. There's a writer kick. There's a writer kick that leds so hard that a pod impact into the ground from the sky. The boot has to be pulled out of the corpse. Oh, I like it. Monster. Yeah. You know, um, so Oh, I like it. I like it. Yeah. Like, you know, so yeah, it was a lot of fun.

There's some super goofy shit, of course, that is just like, you know, there's some goofy shit that has like not no explanation, but like, okay, I'm just my, turn my brain off and accept, you know, the dumb part of this, but it's, that's, that's par for the course, to some degree. It's also kind of wild because the special effects and CG they're using aggressively, it's aggressively like, like, goofy, um, um, goofy, uh, movie CG is looking Goofy movie CG is looking worse than the way the show looks now. The show CG has gotten the show CG in the most recent series has gotten like amazing and like really really top-notch shit and the movies look like worse. It's weird. That's really weird because like Evangelion films were like the nicest looking movies.

Well, they were so the nicest looking movies. Like they were so, so well put together. I mean, the budget's gonna make a difference, I suppose. But yeah, at the end of the day, just yeah, a lot of fun. And again, telling a new story and putting some unexpected twists and working in some stuff as well. For if you're a fan and you know that old shit, like there's like

down to the way the bushes are cut in the background of some shots. It's like insanely identical because he's like living his childhood like you're I can see Anno like behind the monitor looking at the shot they're filming and then like rolling his eyes into his head to remember his childhood and then coming back to the present and being like, yes, it's perfect. You know, so that's cool. And that joins the, I guess, quadrilogy. That is the rebuild movies. Shin, Godzilla, Shin Ultra Band and now Shin Common Rider.

So that was fun. And then I wasn't planning to, but I happened to just, I happened to have an extra ticket, and I was like, okay, the movie that was airing right after that was the first slam dunk. This is the basketball anime,

as created by one Takah hiko uno away. They're the same creator as vagabond. I haven't ever gone into slam dunk, but I've always seen it from a distance. Like, yeah, that's that that's that basketball. Did slam dunk finish or did it get stuck in that same limbo that vagabond did? I'm pretty sure it finished.

Yeah, it's a, you know, basketball did its thing. So I watched that. It was a, yeah, and um Reggie and men we were checking it out. I Am Shocked I am shocked and like I was like Like I couldn't I at a at a loss for words How fucking incredible this movie is

the first slam dunk is Unbelievably awesome and I've never seen a red anything slam dunk related ever. It's fucking great Like I you're going in. I'm like all I know is vagabond guys my fav He did some great fucking samarise Sten and philosophy story telling he loves basketball. What do you got for me? And I got so much more than I ever expected the animation is Actually like it's some of the best I've ever seen for like a CG movie now like it's 3D and it's

um it's capturing his style which I've always said forever I don't want to ever see Vagabond adapted to anything because they just they would you'd lose too much in the process um this has single-handedly convinced me otherwise. They could absolutely do it. And the detail they have in some shots of just like Okinawa streets, the beach, plain, just the, you know, plain hoops on an island somewhere. And like the amount of just unbelievably gorgeous attention to detail.

And it's written and directed by the same guy again. Like it absolutely is possible. The tech is there. They could make it happen. Wait, this is CG. This trailer I'm looking at. CG. The movie is 3D and it looks unbelievable.

Oh shit. Yeah, the budget they had for it, I don't know. Whatever they're doing, it's fucking working. The way the story is told, I didn't know whatever they're doing. It's fucking working. The way the story is told it's I didn't know any like it just it focuses on One of the characters on the team Riyota who's basically the point guard. He's the small guy and you're kind of just Following him and his family and what they're going through as he's like, you know as they're playing one game It's it's the the course as they're playing one game.

It's the course of the movie is one game of ball and then his backstory at the same time. And like the way it goes about that and like from something that you know, nothing about these characters, like it gives you, it gives you more than enough of like a full fledged, like just picture of everything. It's just a perfect sports movie type of delivery of like, why you're gonna care about all these characters. The struggles they go through and the shit that they present and how they do it is like,

it's very real and I feel so stupid because I'm like, one of the things I love the most about Vagabond is how it treats sub-dude scenes. It has moments of profound emotional awareness that are delivered in very muted ways. And the same guy that can do that can totally do it over here, replace your samar eyes with basketball, but I can still tell you an unbelievably compelling story. And it does a really good job with that, you know, and it was very satisfying and grounded with how it approaches a lot of that stuff. And like

the way it makes basketball like a fun like an insanely fun thing to watch, it like I have no problems with the sports anime when like I shield 21 is a football anime where they're like they're basically have superpowers like the main character can see the lines and stop time and roll through the block. There's another dude who can run right through you and become a ghost, you know, like whatever. Of course.

That's crazy and fun and everyone's glowing. But in this, it's just insanely realistic. But what makes it interesting is just the composition of the frame, the impact of the moments, and the places that they decide to pause everything and the key frames, so to speak, just making a real game of basketball look fucking compelling, you know. I, yeah, I just, I, it's just, it was so good. I don't know what else to say, you know, And I found out after the fact that like the story told in the movie is not even like, it's not even about the main character of the series. Like the main character of the actual series is a, is a, is a, is a, a, a

different player on the team. It's, uh, yeah, the, the power forward on the team is actually who the story is about. And this is just a side character that like is one of the main guys that then they just put in this role and I had no idea, you know, I can't recommend this thing enough whether you give a fuck about basketball or not, just so so fucking good. And yeah, I feel stupid for not like giving this the time of day sooner because it's like he's done. Should I love already? Why wouldn't another subject matter be equally as fucking awesome when handled by him? You know?

So I obviously didn't see this movie, but I did check out the trailer same as Vinny did when you were talking. And like it is CG. I can tell that but like I think we're finally hitting the point where like That just looks really good enough to do like a whole goddamn animated movie from Japan like you're probably the Uzumaki Chronicles and not Uzumaki the the Junjiito Chronicles or whatever was how fucking hideous that shit was look we just have to go back to Berserk 2016 man like right you know but then you look at the Uzamaki preview that they just released it looks great

It's very obviously like 3d models, but it looks great Yeah I again, it's not like it's not everything needs to be adapted into another medium. And I'm like, I'm happy with vagabond using the maximum of what it's, of what manga can do to tell its story. But if, but this just convinced me that if they did want to, they could. It doesn't need to exist. It doesn't validate it anymore.

It doesn't give it any more meaning. But if they need, if they wanted to, they could. It doesn't need to exist. It doesn't validate it anymore. It doesn't give it any more meaning. But if they need, if they wanted to, they could. The way you have, there's moments that that he's really masterful about in when you read his stories is when you'll turn a page, you will get a spread where a character will be like 10% of the spreads of the composition and then the rest is just a glorious moment, a background with so much detail you can zoom in for fucking hours staring at every blade of grass. Or sometimes it's just like white space if it's just going into their mind and things like that.

There are moments they have in this movie where that kind of happens on the court. And they do it In yeah in 3d is I guess the best way I could describe it, you know, and I remember I was reading about how he A lot of the the way he told the story and drew the characters is that like the best moments of In basketball are oftentimes depicted on best moments of in basketball are oftentimes depicted on trading cards. So he would take the poses from the players on trading cards and use those as reference for the manga, you know, and like they take that and then like take it to the next level

in 3D when it's animated and have like these hard key frame stop moments to emphasize something right before like a crossover happens or like a layup or just catching a rebound has never been so fucking impactful, you know. I'm just, I can go on forever about it, but all I have never mind that, just I highly, highly recommend the first slam dunk and I'm gonna go fucking check out slam dunk man. I want to be clear here because it's a really unclear title. You're not talking about the first of the slam dunk movies. No. The movie is literally called the first slam dunk. It's 2022. And because I had that confusion when I typed in slam dunk

movie into YouTube and actually, so it's actually called the first slam dunk. Yeah. So that's, will I like it if I've only ever seen one anime in my life before? Is that true? That is not entirely true. But like I've seen three or four. Yeah. Like I mean to be perfectly honest

it's like what I love about it is that it reminds me of so there's a another director called Satoshi Khan who's he's got a there's a movie called Perfect Blue that he made. It's very very I heard about that one. Really good because it was a live action movie that just got animated instead of being live action. They use the medium to do a bunch of awesome things, but it didn't have to be that. It's just a compelling story. And Slam Dunk is exactly that. This could have been a live action story.

It's like using the medium to do awesome things, but it doesn't have to be anime. There's nothing quintessentially anime about it. Sports anime as a category is a vibe, you know, overall, but so are sports movies, right? Any, you know, remember the Titans, bad news bears, type story. You're familiar with how those things go.

So, oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm not a sports guy either, but I've watched a number of those movies and found things to enjoy, because there's like a story that makes me invested, even if I don't really know the sport that well. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. And here there's little moments where because it's a movie you can tell that like

oh if I were reading this or if I were watching the show they would stop to talk about the foot position of when the center puts his foot outside so that he can turn for a layup or to catch a rebound and the characters notice that his foot is on the outside like that that could be a whole explanation moment in an anime or so. But here they just call attention to it. The character notices it and you the viewer go, oh, that's significant, okay.

And then we move from there, you know. And again, the game is told through, again, the lives of the characters, and then they go back and they show you enough that you get the deal, you know, and it's just great. It's just really well done. Yeah. Yeah, the first time done. Cool. Um, anyway, so that's that's pretty much all I wanted to to gab on about. So, uh, going to be, uh, doing, uh, I'm continuing to play FF 16 right now. Uh, um, yeah.

Pickman or no pardon me? You're gonna play Pikmin four or no? Uh, probably not. I haven't played any of the Pikmin games. So not likely not gotcha So pickman's coming out and I've had so many people ask me because I get apparently pickman is like way more popular than I thought it was Yeah, I thought it was like a relatively niche Nintendo property because I know it's not Mario or Zelda, right? But people are crazy about those pickman

because I know it's not Mario or Zelda, right? But people are crazy about those Pikmin. Mmm, it's a great series. I will tell you, oh sorry, Pac-go-Hat. Oh no, you go ahead. I can keep my thoughts. It just essentially, it's just a fantastic series and the new one is great. That's all I want to say. So, I see that and I understand that.

And so, I think I had, I think every stream last week, I had like at least five or six people ask, oh, no, no Pikmin 4. And I eventually just sat down and was like, none of you want to see me play the Pikmin 4. And upon extra hassling, I was like, listen, I'm becoming a dad, I'm trying to become a more mature, reasonable adult. I look at the Pikmin and I see that it is a well-made game that people like and has things in it that people enjoy. But if you ask me about my feelings about Pikmin, I see that and go,

that looks like a stupid game for idiots, and I hate me from it's like, like when I saw it the first time, I went look at this trash. Like, you talked about like first impressions earlier, Finnie. saw it the first time I went look at this trash. Like, you talked about like first impressions earlier, Vinnie. Yeah, I hear you. I cannot get past my first impression of

look at this stupid little space sky and the stupid little his bugs. Seed man's like I hate him. The bug seeds. And I remember he was announced for Smash Brothers, I was like, eh! You're gonna see him a whole lot more, right? Yeah, yeah.

So I'm pretty sure I will not be playing on that pickman for. I'm pretty sure I would dig pickman if I got into it. I just never happened to get into it. I never happened to sit out and play it, but I'm pretty sure it'd be fun. It's the, I can see the appeal. So I won't go on about it too much,

but I will say that I had a similar first impression, Pat, like we're pickman one. Yeah, on the GameCube, I was like, this is stupid. Like why is Nintendo not releasing good games and they're releasing baby games with stupid alien weird fellows? And then, and then I tried Pikmin 2 because it was getting like rave reviews and I had, again, it's not one of those AAA series from Nintendo that is, it's AAA quality, but

yeah, people don't know about it as much as they know about like Amario or Zelda or even a Metroid but it has a very loyal and dedicated and passionate fan base so I played Pikmin 2 took me a little while and I got it because it really kind of just starts to make sense and then it's like oh this is a lot of fun I want more of those little bastards. Anyway, played three, really enjoyed that, and now I'm playing four, and it is as good as it's ever been. So I totally understand, and I think the better conversation

is, yeah, first impressions like, man, Pat, I've been in your shoes so many times for so many different things, and I'm gonna be honest with you, and we'll maybe, this is something that you may not enjoy hearing but a lot of anime Had that effect on me. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no this is great, but yeah, sorry go ahead pack Right, don't don't move past that first impression of anime You're right. Oh, I see it's mostly a wash like most of it You're not say anime was a mistake. It's nothing but trash. So oh my god Oh my god. Oh my god. Like, and no, like it extends, it extends past into one of those, it becomes one of those genre

distinctions where there are people that don't like a particular medium or genre. And then you go, and then you just, you discover people start talking about a singular work outside of that genre So like like Akira, right people were talking about Akira like a movie when it came out They weren't talking about oh man this new anime and the theater is cool. No real humans were talking about the movie Akira, the movie theaters Right. Yeah, so so to be honest, I think I'm coming from a place where back in my college days, I was super in, and I was watching things that were anime

because I thought anything anime was gonna be good just because it happened to be anime. Oh man, and that's what it was. And I remember when I was like keeping up with like seasons of new releases and stuff, and it was just, it was exhausting and not great. I was not even, I just didn't know. Nowadays, I feel like,

anime or not, it's just a medium. That's not the thing that, like, it's not that it's anime, it's that. It's a particular story that I like, as I would like a movie or a show or whatever else. It's a particular thing. And whenever I recommend something, I'm gonna recommend like, you know, particular story that I like as I would like a movie or a show or whatever else. It's a particular thing. Whenever I recommend something, I'm going to recommend like, you know, I'm not going to

say like, oh, go through this season of shit. Or what? There's a show. There's like, my favorite show is Legend of the Galactic Heroes, right? That's a really great space opera. And if there's a great live action thing or a great book or something else that's covering that, it's like, I just treat them as different mediums, but ultimately the story and how compelling that is is what just ends out.

You know, it's just a way to tell a story. Yeah. It's funny that you were talking about first impressions because like when you were here last time and I was so embarrassed about PUBG and the Dead Cells, right? That was not the singular thing, but that started this weird journey for me where I was gonna look at things that I like initially swore off and then decided to like dive into them to some degree to at least see if I was completely full of shit because like famously enough like I hated demon souls when I played demon souls I gave demon souls for separate attempts across like a year and a half and only on attempt four

did it like Clunk into place and so that led to something like I played pub G after you mentioned it on the podcast and Really enjoyed it and then that led to like all the way to like, oh, you know what? Maybe I'll try a league of legends Which I enjoyed until the part where I was being ranked up against human beings and then I was like no wait This is exactly what I knew it was going to be Which is the nightmare that is other humans. So that's why I make the distinct,

I make this big to do of like, no, Pikmin IV looks like it's the fourth game in a well-like series that is clearly manufactured with care. It's just like, the biggest thing I have trouble moving past is the aesthetic. Like anything that I'm dealing with, if I'm like just repulsed by the aesthetic, it probably doesn't have much of a shot. I've been there too.

I've been there too, and I'll tell you what, the aesthetic of something can also be a draw. So I'm like, oh, that looks great. Yeah, I'm going to try that. And then I'm disappointed. I had, so well, the same way for anime, you know, like where you were like, okay, I really like this. It has to be good. I'm going to check it out. And you were exhausted, right? Mm-hmm. This is going to be a weird non-sequitre to a degree, but classic rock in my late teens, early 20s, like, because I was into rock music, like, from the 90s, and then I was like, oh, man, Pink Floyd, you know, Zeppelin, and all these, like, classic rock bands, Queen.

And you're hearing all the best stuff. Yeah. And that's like its own weird, like, kind of subculture of, like, there's so much lore and stuff to learn about and concerts and live stuff, and then there's bootlegs, and then there's albums that were released, but not overseas, you know. So I was getting really into that world whereas some of my friends were getting into other things or even that in me. But just because it is classic rock does not mean it is good. Usually the good stuff rises to the surface, that's what we remember 40, 50 years later. And then I'm listening to stuff that, you know, like I tried Steely Dan, I don't like it. I don't like

Yacht Rock, whatever that is, whatever you want to. Some songs, sure. But like just because it is described alongside the bands I liked, I found that I was getting like overwhelmed by how much stuff was not appealing to my my sensibilities. I can appreciate some of that stuff now, but remember, there was so much stuff being played in the 70s, in 80s and 60s that just ended up being forgotten about.

And sometimes for the best and sometimes not, but a lot of that stuff ended up just being dreck that was just like, we wanna be the Beatles or the Monkeys, so we're an even worse version of a worse version of the Beatles. So that stuff, yeah, you dig into that because it is also classic, does not mean it is good. There's a real like Boomer privilege

of like them describing like, man, back in the 70s, 60s and 70s and 80s all that music was so goddamn incredible you this new shit sucks and it's like okay well the only music that survived that era is the music that was good enough for people to give a fuck about and actually keep on analog media. Yeah, I was about to say that like for a lot of folks that are you know, I guess in our age, it's like if you're going back to your parents collection, your parents kept the shit that was good and they probably didn't hold on to the Dreck, you know what I mean unless they

were hoarders or so. So a lot of that survives because like the the selection of everyone as you as time goes on will make the the cream rice to the top so to speak, you know. the selection of everyone as you best time goes on will make the cream rice to the top, so to speak. Yeah, and there will be a nostalgic rose colored goggle glasses, whatever, rosy feeling for all the stuff that is good in a specific genre, whether it be anime, a video game,

whether it be like, oh, Sega Genesis, this is the best because these are the games I grew up with, and I love Super Nintendo. I had that, but now, like, if I go and play a Genesis game now as an adult, I'm gonna play the best of the best. And then I'll be like, oh, I understand why you felt nostalgia for this, because it was awesome. Yeah, there's like so many Genesis games

that show up in these collections. It's like the same like 25 to 30. Yeah, it's because like dude, they were like a shocking amount of terrible fucking Genesis and Super Nintendo games. They were so bad. You bet they were. I rented most of them.

Right. It's very important to like hit that point in your life when you understand that like you're not, you don't have to be dedicated to the entire genre that is anime, you don't have to be dedicated towards the super Nintendo as a whole and everything represents, you don't have to be dedicated to every single, you know, like, release if you're into dubstep or whatever, like, you can literally, like, specifically go like, I'm into this specific thing, you know, you can have a discerning taste

and not be represented and offended if someone's like, oh, I don't, if the entire broad, the entire broad genre of something is like not appealing to somebody, but there are like things that stand out that are appealing in that. Like those things should be lifted up on their own merits. And like it's been always weird whenever someone has been

like past their 30s holding onto our defending. Like we knew a guy that was like the Sony PlayStation brand was his life. Yeah, PlayStation. And the guy I worked with. So two people like that actually. Yeah, no, there was a guy I knew at college. His name was PlayStation Sam.

Yeah, PlayStation Sam was my brother. He's like, and they would take offense to you saying anything about the brand. It's a crazy way to be. It's still happens. It's still happens. I just got a PS5 and I had people that were upset with me because I was a trader

by getting a PS5. And in the same sense, well, to whoever other brand, but I will say in the same sentence though, I also shit on Sony a little bit. I like, why do I have to have this? Cause they bought exclusives, like, you know, my PC is fine, but then I'm like, oh, this is a cool console, I just don't need it.

And that was enough to upset people as well. So I mean, there's really, yeah, people devote themselves to like a whole fucking brand. And it's like, yeah, I was talking to my wife in the car, my wife, Peach Saliva, whom I love, love her. She's not here right now, sorry. But I miss her. We were talking to the car, and I was like, people,

the average person Demands religion they need an altar to worship at and If that altar is not going to be like filled by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ You know the fucking green Bay Packers or Sony or the iPod will supply as well. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

And you know, there is a serious, like we don't even know what we're doing on this planet, kind of thing. And it's just, it really easy to find comfort in the things that you grew up with or the things that gave you that like understanding of the world around you. And when you hit that formative age, like someone was like, we were talking about, like, because I've been streaming for like 13 years,

and people were like, well, what's the best era of vinesauce or whatever? And I'm like, I don't know, the one that you grew up listening to or watching. Oh, no, and that's not the right answer. The answer is right now. It's never been better. Thanks, man.

I take it. You can throw as much of yourself into the sonic hole and there will always be more than you need to fill your cup. You know, that is an ever flowing pour. Sure. For you. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Sure, for you. Yeah, absolutely.

So, yeah. Well, in any case, yeah, just wanted to give a quick, as we switch over here, give a quick heads up, yeah, schedule wise this week if you're checking out on Woolly Versus, gonna be continuing FF16. We also watched some viewer matches. So Don Pedro X of the 6 Axis podcast, shoutouts, wanted me to check out some of his cami matches. So we did, me and Reggie reviewed some of his Street Fighter 6 stuff, gave some advice at the Platinum level he's at, and we're going to be doing that. So if you have some, if you want some tips,

you know, we're not like fucking god tier players, but we can maybe give you some advice if you're struggling in your ranks. If you can submit those to me, I don't know, like through X, you can X them at me. X me your, your, your, your, your CFN tag and I'll go and give it to him. Exactly. And we'll probably, we'll be taking a look at some of your matches in the future and giving some advice. Also shout-outs to Sir Meow Music. I jumped on the tournament that he had for a please stop talking. He has a pound some thugs, had a bracket, participated in that, did a round robin, overall had a good time, went undefeated in the round Robin and then lost in grand finals to Salami. So that's how that goes. But you know, it was a great time.

Had some great games with everybody and shout out to those folks over there. Yeah, it's an any opportunity to get some street fighter. So this week as well, we're going to be doing another look at double dragon on Friday. So, yeah, stay tuned for that. And thank you, everybody, as well. The arcade sticks, the snack box, micros for get into fighting games and for woolly versus are now sold out. So congratulations. Congratulations. Thank you guys for copying those. That happened way quicker than I expected. In fact, I had one more raffle ready to go, so I'll still have that at some point quickly

soon because that's the only way to get it now if you win the raffle. But yeah, they've completely cleared out and ahead of Evo. That's really cool because obviously that's a big fucking important fighting game time coming up. So thank you guys. That's me. Hey, I got a question for Vinnie right before we move on. I guess we should go with Vinnie. So you've been playing 16, right? And you just got your third icon, right?

Yeah. And so I had this overwhelming feeling when I got the third icon. Does it feel like once you get the third one and your slots are full that you have this emotional feeling, particularly with where the story is where you're like, now the game is has started. Like, yeah, you know what? I will say that is where I saved last week when I was playing it. So I'm pretty much just at the beginning there, but it does feel like it's trying to find its footing and give you the whole overview of what this world is.

And I didn't fully appreciate what was happening in the story or the world until I think that complete first act arc of, you know, get then to get that third icon and everything. So I really like where the story's headed now because I'm invested. I'm like super invested. It still doesn't people like, well,

you know, there's like various points I've heard. Well now it feels like a final fantasy. Honestly, yes and no. Yes and no. I don't care. It's a good game. That's all I feel about it. What else was. Oh, right. I was also going to ask, Hey, Vinnie, what's your personal history with the Devil May Cry series? DMC 2 is best game. All right. Is that is that it? Is that it? The whole thing?

Cause I know that. Yeah. Did are you aware of that meme? Oh, I watched that God damn stream did. I'm a big big fan of having the timer run in the background and just Yeah, um, okay, here's my actual history with the series. I played a demo of DMC one. I bought DMC three. I have it on the PS2 um, I then played that and then the most recent Devil May Cry I loved. And then when they re-released three on the Switch, I played that. Now DMC 2 is a meme,

you know, obviously, because someone came into my chat and was like, no, Vinny, this is the best game in the cities. So I did play it and I had the timer. as soon as I hit that two-hour mark I was done. So that's my history. I didn't play anyone I didn't mention just now. Okay, so the reason I ask is because me and Muley have been talking about 16 for weeks now, right? Yeah. And the problem is that William and I are coming at it from a perspective of people who get every character action game that comes out and beat them on every difficulty.

Right? Okay. And so like when I beat 16 last week and I've been like running complaints about like basically sleep walking through the whole game. That's what I've heard from a number of people. And like what is your experience been with that as somebody who is not a freak for this genre? Yeah, so I played all the Bayonetta games as well and enjoyed them.

I had a lot of fun with Bayonetta too in particular, but I enjoy the genre. I am not the best at the genre, but I do end up clicking with the games and I can do what I need to do. This game is still a little easy. I think I died one time so far. So yeah, it's not a very difficult game and the mechanics are not overly deep. There's enough of them to keep me engaged and I'm enjoying the combat, but I also can see where you're coming from. And I think for someone like me,

I'm okay with it generally. Like it's not killing me, that it's easy, but another option for someone like you would be great for someone who knows their shit. There was something, I caught a clip of Willie's stream that you did a couple days ago, Willie. And you like latched on to, like, as I made this whole, I've been, I've been talking for weeks

in the long short of it. I'm like, Clive gets so much shit that's so good. Like, he gets the best stuff. And Willie finally encountered one of them is he got the, the limit break system, the, the double trigger equivalent. Oh, yeah, I love that. I watched him go down the list and read, if you have this turned on,

you can't die. You can't die. That's really strong. That's really, really good. Yeah, and there's options to make the game easier. Like they give you those pendants from the very beginning of the game. You get devil trigger that you cannot die, but yet they don't give you options to make the game more challenging for people who actually know the genre well. So I find that to be a little bit strange. Though, Pat, I will say that I was hearing though to some degree that like the bits with like missing a phase and stuff on the bosses and some of the explosion builds were like if you build around like an optimized thing, which some people were saying like you kinda,

I guess like crafted a min maxed super optimal, you know, situation there that like that usually wouldn't happen if you were just kind of like going at it. I guess so like. So like optimized or willing to. So you know way, you know. I have finally discovered the exact problem that led like the exact mental issue that

led to that gameplay decision, right? So yeah, no, I I I change. Change workshop to crazy build. No, no, they helped,, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I you're running a raid experience, every single part of your damage phase is, okay, everyone's two-minute timer. You're gonna plan so that all eight people's biggest buttons all hit like usability simultaneously, so that you have everybody use their damage up button, everybody use their critical strike up button, everybody use their damage debuff button,

simultaneously, and blow every single resource you can within like a 22nd window, just one massive burst every two minutes. And that's what the stagger system is in 16. When you get them staggered, save every single thing you have to just burst as hard as you can. And I'm so used to that in 14. And I saw the stagger system in this and I go well, I'll just do that and guess what? That's really really good in this system

Okay, too good. Yeah, wait too good. They they should have I Don't know. I don't know what you would I would change, but it's I don't know I Think you know Yeah, I think, um, um, well, I'll probably just end up grabbing whatever, like, abilities, I think, like, there's a lot of cool shit. Yeah, and like, I'm just going to prioritize that more than, you know, um, anything else as I go. And I imagine that should be fine. But, yeah, there's still a whole lot of game ahead of it. Oh, there sure is.

We're both at, actually. Yeah, we're both in the same generally area. You guys both got like 70% to go. And I've been playing once a week, and I think I'm probably going to end up finishing that game in like four months. So yeah, that's just what's going to happen. It took me two months of several like four hour to six hour sessions of tears of the kingdom and it was just two months of you know three or four times a week. It was crazy. So, that's gonna be me with fucking Baldur's Gate in a fucking week's time,

where I'm, I'm mathing out how long I'm expected to take and I'm looking at like the first of January as my expected intake. Dear God. Hope you're doing side quests off camera, Vee. What for Final Fantasy? Yeah, I would, I would. I'm going to avoid all except the ones with the plus.

That's what right on the chat. Yeah, that's a great idea, Vinnie. Yeah, I've done a couple story ones. Like there's it where you're at right now, well, I'm going to say I don't, did you get to the castle yet? Not yet, but I did some of the ones on the road to more that were allowed.

How about that? Oh, hey, I'm the one the ones on the road to more that were about that. How about that? How about that? Obviously there's no accounting for taste and anyone can feel free to disagree with me. The two side quests right outside the entrance to more are the two best side quests in the entire game. Don't want to miss those. Those are good ones.

Those are good. Short. They never want to miss those. Yeah those are good ones. Those are good. They never get that good again. Oh man man. I'll give a I'll give a I'll give a fucking like a like a golf clap for the other side quest in the town right before more where the two guards challenge you to a fight. Oh yeah. Yeah. You combo them into oblivion and they can't move and like they're stuck in the air being auto-convoked having their like oh pretty good barks happen while they're suspended in midair and that's basically where you realize that the game follows the yak is a logic of like of like cutscene or rather side quest murder into plot like,

oh, don't tell anyone about this. That was embarrassing. Yeah, you eviscerated their skeletons. What are we talking about? Yeah. Yeah. What else have you been up to, Vinny? Aside from 16? Yeah, a lot of Zelda.

I mean, there was the viewfinder is actually a good game. I'm going to continue that. I was playing my friendly neighborhood, which is the, it's like a resident evil game, but on Sesame Street. With puppets. Oh. Yeah. Okay. And Arlo does a voice in it and it is a phenomenally silly game. I wouldn't say it's the best game ever, but it loosely follows the resident evil vibe. And you know, there's like safe rooms. There's the, you know, limited ammo and yet you're just killing puppets. The puppets get a little annoying after a while, but the game doesn't try to be like

after a while, but the game doesn't try to be like Gartan of Bandban. You know, you guys know about that, right? No. I don't. Oh, no. There's more. All right. I'm looking at it. I'm seeing Ernie from from Sesame Street, basically, on the thumbs for this. Similar. Yeah. Gartan and Bandban? Gartan of Bandban. Like, Kindergarten, apparently, 10 and band-band a garden of band band like kinder garden apparently is garden band band. It's one of those You know, it's basically baby thing for baby equal scary. Oh, yeah, I'm like huggy wuggy You know, huggy wuggy. Yeah, tell a tummy. He's tried to eat your balls got it

Right children's entertainment, but horror right? Okay. Yeah. So this doesn't try to be that 100%. This tries to be more silly, but it's an okay game. I like it. So I've been playing those and that's about it. You know, if I think of anything else, I'd let you know, but at the moment, yeah, I mean, I'm still hung over from Zelda. And, uh, man, the engineering degree required. That, yeah. That feeling of like streaming some absolutely massive gargantuan thing. And like, when I beat FF16, I just like kinda sat there

and like stared at OBS and was like, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. And it's this weird, not resentment. I don't know what to call it, but it happens to me every time I finish like a long running series that takes like either a dedicated batch of weeks or like multiple months in which I'm like, I really enjoyed myself.

No, I don't wanna see this shit again for a while. I don't even wanna look at it. Same, because I like variety. That's why I do what I do. And truthfully, like long, I would prefer shorter games in general, but like once in a while, an Elden Ring or a Zelda comes around and I have to dig into it.

And I'm cool with that. But like starting Final Fantasy 16, right, actually Doring Zelda was maybe a little bit of a mistake because too much. And I'll tell you what, it's one of my rules of thumb as a streamer is finish really crazily long game, do a bunch of one-offs or short games for like a couple weeks just to like feel

like a human and then maybe like you know figure out another longer game later. I'm literally doing that right now. I finished 16 and I'm not going to be playing Baldur's Gate for like five months. So like what am I doing? I'm like looking at like one-offs for for bullshit for open for two Yeah, I always have suggestions by the way Pat if you need me. Oh, you know what? I should I should hit you up for that because I know he up once in a while Yeah, I look at your channel. I have the overwhelming feeling of oh it's Zelda or what the fuck? Right is this that's this? That's my ammo.

The recent period has been a one of turmoil for me with like long game commitments and trying to figure out how to get them done in time. I've just like to play 16, I put FF9 on pause, right? And I very rarely put something on pause. Usually I try to hit credits on just about everything I can for better and for worse. But I think yeah, with the amount of stuff that's coming out and with the amount of things

that are worth taking a look at, even if it's in brief. Oh yeah. I'm just gonna start doing that again, but there was a period of time where I did some quick looks that I wasn't too happy with the results of how those turned out. So I was like, eh, maybe I need to figure out how to just,

you know, make better picks on something stuff. But yeah, me too. And then sometimes you end up picking a game because your audience wants you to check it out. And then I don't wanna not like the game because. And then I don't want to not like the game because I, and I don't want to play for like four or five hours and then be like, all right, well, I'm good. Like I never enjoy that.

It's happened a couple times for sure, but unless I'm like, okay, guys, this is going to be a one-time stream just to check it out. You know, if I'm like ready to check out a big game and then I do and then I don't like it, that doesn't feel good for like anyone involved. Right. So I try not to. I'm like ready to check out a big game and then I do and then I don't like it. That doesn't feel good for anyone involved, so I try not to.

I was tricked by my audience into streaming Kenshi. And that was one of the most miserable experiences I've ever had on camera. one of the most miserable experiences I've ever had on camera. And like, I was like an hour and a half in, and I had the wild disconnect of being like, oh my God, I wanna just turn this shit off and go to bed. Oh my God. And then I look over into the chat,

and chat is like losing their minds. They're like, whoa, can't you? Yeah. I don't know what the fuck is happening. This is awful. I resent everyone who suggested this to me. Yeah, I feel that. No, I do.

I remember I did a series of one offs at a point. Like there was, there was a series of one-off set of points. And like there was, I got, I got, it was, there was a concentration of negative feedback on how things went. And definitely some of that warranted on how I handled it. But I remember there was a discussion where essentially a number of people were weighing in and the sentiment was kind of like,

well, who are these four? Because if it's for people that are into the thing, but you're only looking at it in brief, and it's a longer thing that only gets started way down hours from where you stop here, what's the point of even diving into begin with at all? And I was thinking about that. I was like, hmm, that's a fair point, right?

If you're not even gonna scratch the, like less than the surface on something, and then the scratch ends up being something that is like, and this wasn't that great for, or entertaining for anybody that even into this, why bother? I think 16's a really good example of that, because if you did like three hours of 16,

that can take like two sittings to like really get going. Yeah, Jerma only did one stream of it and so people were like I'm happy you're doing this Vinnie because Jerma you know didn't and it's like well you know obviously he's got a lot of stuff going on in his life I get why he wouldn't want to dig into a 40-50 hour game if it's not clicking that happened to me with death stranding I did not click with that game I tried three times a but anyway yeah I can I can I can imagine it's a particular thing you know yeah for particular I enjoyed it but like you have to be into that I think what kind of brought me back around recently especially is just okay, if I'm overwhelmingly curious and interested

in this subject matter, I'm going to take a look at it regardless for myself, because I just want to know what the fuck is going to go on with this new armored core game. I want to know what the fuck is going to be happening with Baldur's Gate. I want to, and like, that's it. I'm jumping in out of my own volition, and I'll play until, you know, I'm satisfied, you know, but like that, that's after a couple of years of dodging it, I'm kind of back to this point, I think, you know. I feel you. Well, one quick question as a follow up.

Final Fantasy IX is my, in my top 10, it's one of my favorite games of all time. It's good. My favorite Final Fantasy, where'd you get? I got to So we cleared what would be the first disc Okay, and then we went to That town

Where I forgot the name of the town. Let me let me put it back together. A couple things we're going on. Be it tricks, temp sort of joined for a second, and then Bermesia happened. We went past that. Yeah, that's blackface town is where I stopped. Blackface Village with the cool music. Yeah, that's where we stopped. Love it. The important thing is that you got to that fucking town where they force you to fucking play a tetra master tournament. Yeah, we know. Yeah, we'll be we'll figure that out in time, I suppose, but

the The it's funny because like we stopped right in the black mage town where we're like like oh look It's a I want to find out more about VV and then um put it on pause and then I walked into the field in ff16 and there's the scarecrows and you see and you have VV up on the cross and I'm like I'm sorry K. I'm sorry. Good timing. Yeah. Yeah. Um okay. Pat anything uh going on. Not that. I did some stuff. So the first of which I got sent a free code to play Remnant 2. So technically all my opinions on that game are sponsored.

I really liked the first Remnant game. It was like, hey, what if you had a third person shooter that was just Dark Souls with like old-style Diablo levels? And Remnant 2 is, what if you had a much better third person shooter that was just Dark Souls with old-style, procedurally generated Diablo levels? Like it is one of the most like, hey, you remember that first game? Yeah, this is the second game, so it's better.

Kind of game. What if X was Dark Souls, but not in the derivative way? Yeah, no, actually, like it works really, really well. It is a solid feeling shooter. It is a fun dungeon crawler. Like I did a dungeon this morning. Would that included invisible paths to cross a bridge and finding illusory walls and walls in the floor to continue on?

With good shooting. Okay, story? Like it's fine? It's interesting, but it's fine. My root, if I had to give a one sentence review, is that when I'm playing Remnant 2, I get a bunch of those good chemicals. Like, the dope it means, and the endorphins. Yeah, that very relaxing, I'm playing a video game,

and my brain is swimming in all that good chemical soup. Like, I like it Like it is extremely not like coming off of the 516 which is like bombastic and exciting. Like I'm just like chilling playing this game just relaxing. You made me particularly interested in this whereas no other form of advertising has and you're not even trying to advertise. It's just solid. Cool. It's got a good loop. Yeah it has a really good loop. It has a really really great loop and it feels good and it's fixed a lot of the problems that the first game did. The most interesting thing is like,

so usually you'd get like a Diablo-like game in which like, okay, the levels are randomly generated but you're gonna go to the forest then you're gonna go to the desert then you're gonna go to whatever Zone 3 and Zone 4 are. When I started it up, I had people in chat telling me that they were surprised because I wasn't starting in the starting area. And I then looked into it and all of the game zones are thrown at you in a random order.

And each one of those zones has a, I think, three or four different storylines with different areas that you go to. So despite me starting in the like, like, forest world, the fact that I'm actually trudging through the forest instead of old ruins or underground is unique to this run. And it goes all the way to the point of when you go to the bonfire equivalent and you mouse over the planet or the dimension or whatever you want to call it. It asks you if you want to re-roll your campaign and try for a different story or a different set of zones for that area. It's really interesting. hashtag, hashtag, hashtag sponsored. That's right. Influous. Thank you for the free video game.

I got the game for free. So keep that in mind. I also decided that since I'm like, I'm like flushed with a weird spot on my schedule, then I was going to start to play like older games. And I figured since I'm so excited for Baldur's Gate 3, that I would go back and show people the experience of what it is like to play Baldur's

Gate 1. So I loaded up the enhanced edition and took an hour and a half to create a character because I would go to run my stats and then go no, back out and go to this guy's guide on Gamefax because nobody knows how to make advanced Dungeons & Dragons character anymore. Okay, cool. Now enable the cheek console and hack in boots of haste to you. Yada yada. But then got going and really enjoyed myself, but I was hit with one of those things that is like becoming more upsetting as I'm going on.

Just a quick question. Vinnie, how old are you? 38. You're 38? Okay, I'm 37. I believe well, he is 36. No 37. You're 37. Oh, but your birthday is after mine in the same year. Right. Okay. So you're in November, right? Does that fucking damn it? I remember my mom's birthday and my wife's birthday. Those are the ones that matter. So here's the thing. I was playing Baldur's Gate 1 and Chat was going, wow, look how old it is. And I made the mistake of asking how old were you kids when the Baldur's Gate came out and I started to get negative numbers. Yeah. Like not like I was two, like negative five. And I realized

that when I'm playing a game from like the late 90s, so Baldur's Gate came out around the same time as like Okorina of Time and Metal Gear Solid, right? That like this feels to these people, like it did when my dad showed me black and white movies. Yeah. And especially like, then go back to NES games because I Was playing NES I was playing Mario Brothers 1 and 2 in the first Zelda when I was 3 or 4 I didn't know what the fuck I was doing but like I remember a little bit of the 80s a tiny little bit

Yeah, it's like fuck man. That's ancient at this point It's just it just hit me right in the chest that like I remember watching black and white movies with my dad. He's like, yeah, these were coming out when I was a kid. You know, they're cool, right? I'm like, yeah, they're cool. Wow, they don't have color.

And I'm playing pixel games that came out on a PC in 98. And I'm going to see, look, isn't it crazy? There's voice acting and they're like no It's not at the same time though. We've talked about this like anything released in 1998 is just automatically go did you know Like that is pretty calm man. What a great year that was a year. We do this bit every this year is shaping up This year is in fact shaping this year's going forward right absolutely Mm-hmm, but 98 every every three four years. We have an episode where we just go man

1998 though Yeah, it's a recurring bit That's just and and we were like since we're all around the same age that was even better because I got Final Fantasy 7 in 1998 was when I got Final Fantasy 7 that was when I got my PlayStation so Combined that with all the N64 stuff and it was just NPC that was also my PC year where I was getting half-life and team Forchers Classic and like you know I don't know if TFC was out yet at that time but I mean that was just such a huge year for me as a 13-year-old really putting myself into these worlds and like kind of maturing with the games as they matured

and like Aukaryne of Time is perfectly emblematic of that especially like Link's journey and then like the more mature storylines of Metal Gear Solid. And that's why it's so bizarre to me that David Hader looks at me and's like, Vinny! Right. And then he goes,

Oh! Yeah. Did that just mute the hog noise? No, no, we got it. We picked up the hog. We picked up the hog. Okay, guys. We got it.

I look back in like 98 was like, oh my God. I remember having this thought of like, holy shit, video games are the coolest thing. How are there people at my school that do not play video games? They shit it all. This is the bleeding edge and it really was. But like also like as like a young person, like 1998 has like special significance,

because that's when I got my first job, which was bootlegging Starcraft CDs. Right. That's when I took my first step into becoming a man and making my own money by making 150 copies of Starcraft for every one of my high school, because I convinced my dad we needed a CD burner for music.

That is wonderful. That is so fucking funny. And I'm just, I'm thinking back too because it's like no matter where you turned you were always overwhelmed. There was never any way to keep up with everything but we all kind of did because we were renting games, right? Yeah. We sure were. I mean, right? Yeah, we sure were.

I mean, you're not, okay, we were renting cartridges. You know. Okay, this is gonna be a weird poll. We'll leave. Do you remember that old man at the micro-play? Oh, fuck yeah, Dave. Yes, absolutely. Okay, wait, the specific name, no, I mean,

the one where I used to live. You remember you ran in? There was a angry old man at the microplay that fucking hated everyone who went in when we went into those KOF games and the PS2 bargain bin. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, that one. Yeah, that was your one. I didn't know your story as much, but yeah, but you saw there was like a pissy off I didn't know your story as much, but yeah. But you saw there was like a pissy off looking old man. So the reason he looked at that, is that guy watched me rent like 250 PlayStation 1 and PS2 games, go home and then come back two hours later

from like 1998 to like fucking 2006. 1998 to like fucking 2006 Like it's so wild because there was a video store called Oz that was in La Valle when I was growing up and They were the only place that rented PC games out. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, well exactly right renting a PC like Never heard of that. Well, thank you now I have yeah Very long man, it did not last it lasted very long and they gave real fucks. Yes Oh at the place you must have yeah Os was all about it and they were like yeah go nuts

Absolutely here you go like they knew and everyone knew and they were the only yeah, go nuts, absolutely. Here you go, like they knew and everyone knew and there was the only place in town doing it, but like any PC game you wanted to rent, you could rent it. And everything that that means, you know, like it was insane that they got away with that. Yeah. Oh, what a time. There you go.

There we go. Do the segment again. 1998. But like, so I'm doing Baldur's Gate 1 and I get, I got like two questions that I really need to go into. Here on the podcast, I sit on that stream, I sit on my, my ex, I said it, my, I'll say it here. I keep getting beat because everyone's excited for Baldur's Gate 3. They're like, do I have enough time to beat the first and second games before August? No!

No, you don't! No! You don't! Shut up! Don't even ask that! That's stupid to ask! And then the other thing is like, do you think it'll be a direct sequel? No!

They're not gonna make a mandatory direct sequel to games that came out before you were born! Right. Yeah. I listen, I only played Dark Alliance on the PS2. That's a good game. Oh, Dark Alliance 1 and 2, which was basically just 3D Diablo on the PlayStation.

It was way better than those. I enjoyed it. I didn't know that I had any right to be. Any right to be? right to be. Yeah, absolutely. I think I saw screen shots of those and like thought that's what main line Baldur's Gate was or something and really popular and I think I got confused as to what Baldur's Gate was because of the cutting those those games. Yeah, and they're being more de-app, then being more de-applo-like, which then inevitably led to at least four instances

of Pat losing his shit screaming at me for think, for whenever I thought Diablo and Baldur's Gate overlap for whatever. Every single time I brought up Pillars of Attorney on this podcast will he go, so that's like Diablo, right? No! No! I think I saw those PlayStation games, yeah. Okay.

Tell everyone what's going on on your schedule and then... I don't know. I'll see you at the twitch.tv slash pat stares at and there'll be videos of me on it and I'll say hello. And also tonight, if you're watching this podcast live that'd be July 24th, I'm gonna be over at twitch.tv slash Peach saliva around 6 p.m. Pacific and the wife and I are gonna play LA and war.

That's for my own channel, I don't know. Unless. Unless. Yeah, no. Hey, I just want to point out, this period of time is a nightmare. It sucks. Okay.

Yeah, I can imagine. There's like a four week span that it could be like any minute or not, or any minute or not. Yeah. Not. Yeah. We usually do some halfway through plugs, Vinnie, so anything you want to plug

right now? No. All right. Great. Thanks, though. I appreciate it. No problem. Starrot that creepy ass alien.

And be thankful that I didn't choose the other picture. Yeah. I know. I don't like that. Um, I'll do, I'll do one plug and I'll just say that I hope everyone's doing okay out there and take time to relax when things get tough. That's my plug.

That's so good. Okay. Well, I'll plug the bad red vox. Check them out. Thanks, man. All right. Thank youb we'll be back alrighty I just got jump scared by Finney's fucking alien

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We definitely exited out there. Oh, by the way, I've been Glorbing so hard. As of five minutes ago, we're no longer tweeting. They are now going to be called Zeats. Zeats? No, I mean fake that was fake You're lying you're lying check the comments pat I feel like Walter white in that one meme image where he's in a car check the comments

lies lies not real bad no way no no no no So here okay, so this is a great situation Because this happens to me every now and then we're all see something and I get fooled because it's fake. And now I'm now settling into I don't even care that it's fake. It's stupid enough that I'll believe it. Welcome to you, man. I like that. It's the where the rest of North America has been over the last couple years. That's a good call back to earlier. But you know, what Pat, for you, I'm gonna zete right now. Yeah, thanks buddy. I love you. There you go. There you go. Yeah, no. We did, we, we, we x'd it up and x'd out. X is in fact going to give it to you.

we X didn't X did up and X it out X is in fact going to give it to you. Oh, getting gorded. How about that? We're all gorded. All right. No, we touched on that already. So how about this? Right. You know how you know what was cool about 1998? All those games that came out. That's right. It was awesome. Was that if you got any of those games, you might still have them, uh, specifically. And, um, at no point would, I don't know, let's say Ubisoft Ubisoft come to your house and, uh, grab all your games and throw them out the window violently. Um, and then slap you in the face, kick you in the balls, and leave.

It's such a nice company, so it's so cool and nice. What do we got? So apparently after a period of inactivity, it is confirmed that your Ubisoft account can be suspended and then permanently deleted, taking your entire game library with it. Anything you've purchased will be lost forever. This was confirmed by Ubisoft on on X under the in the comments. Basically yeah, showing that it doesn't matter what

kind of library you've built up if they give you a warning on your account and you don't answer within 30 days. fuck you in the money you've spent. Each shit. There then was 30 days. So not 30 days of inactivity. A period of inactivity for an extended period of time. I think there's a number like maybe like years. I think it was like there's something like maybe four years or something like that.

And if you get an email from them warning you that within 30 days they're going to delete your account, you have to go use it within that period. Otherwise they will delete them after the notice. The status of whether or not you've purchased something doesn't affect it in any way. And some clarification was given, and this was there saying hypothetically, there could be a regulation where the general data protection regulation in the EU has laws about having to not hold on to user data after a certain amount of time. So part of this can be in response to them trying to get around

Violating those laws at the end of the day the fact that you can spend money on a service and then over time They can take that away from you simply for not using it is fucking portion. It's ridiculous Yeah, it's insanely garbage and needs to change whether it's their policy or the GDPR daily garbage and needs to change whether it's their policy or the GDPR. It's insane. And like it's just another thing as we always talk about like the the data preservation and digital, you know, libraries that are becoming more and more ubiquitous like fuck off with this. Why would I ever want to buy something through your store now knowing that I can come back to it later and just have it taken from me, especially if it's like, oh, buying DLC, if it's a game that you, that is particularly asking you

for, you know, a commitment to it or anything like that, that is insane. You know, well, ownership is not worth it. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because I was just having a conversation about the movie stuff, like TV shows being removed from streaming services and movies being removed from streaming services. And it's like, that doesn't even seem so bad compared to this. Like the fact that this is so egregious that it makes that look okay is mind numbing to me. It really causes this intense feeling. It's like, okay, so this is about you play specifically.

This is about, it will be soft to count. It will be soft to count, which is for you play, right? So that's like five, that'd be a part. Orders of magnitude, like the worst of all those services already. Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's terrible. And it's like the only time I ever had a game on that is when I got a free game for a video card

or some shit like that, or you'd buy it on steam and then be like, well, yeah, but we have to start up the fucking you play to fucking do it. And I'm just thinking, if I own a game on steam, but then it links into the Uplay account, are they gonna delete it off my fucking Uplay account?

I can not about that. And then, but I'll have the game on Steam and it'll go to connect to the Uplay account and it'll tell me to fuck myself. Okay, I'm looking at an update to the story that's saying that this is only accounts that have no games on them as of four hours ago. Uh-huh.

Is it a back pedal or what does that mean? So the initial tweet thread, excuse me, the initial X thread was what were they confirmed, Ubisoft confirmed directly that they would be deleting your account after 30 days after warning you. So they have that. Now this article is saying, as I'm looking at it, accounts that include purchase PC games will not be eligible for deletion as the update to the story comes in now. Yeah.

Okay. All right. There you go. So that is at the very least not them robbing you blind for your purchase. So that's that's a way better than I thought. Uh, uh, yeah. But also, well, to kind of springboard on what we were talking about earlier, that first impression, that initial shock of that story is so bad that that's already probably hurt their, you know, their stocks. Like, you know, like, that's just one of those things that's just going to get spread around. And even if there

is some clarification, it's not going to matter because people already have made up their mind. And you be soft. Let's be honest, it says not really one that many people over lately. They've definitely done as much as they could to erode a lot of good will. And I mean, just say the least what good will, right? Like it's that shit's been gone. I feel like for a decade. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, okay, so backpedal or nothing burger, I don't know. I'm trying to scan the article as we read here, but the idea that, of course, yeah, we're it.

Like the fact that on a regular basis, there are stories about your like digital ownership exact, like being treated like fucking garbage. I don't like we reported on so many variations of this. Anything with cloud ownership, anything with Stadia or Luna all of that weird shit where like you've purchased a game, but all you get is the metadata. Once the service goes down or once anything, it was the entire Amazon services thing that ended up with people losing anything they purchased within a couple hour window and like no, no, my fuzz on that.

There's a million little things like this. So it's not surprising when you hear this kind of thing because I know that we're going in this direction, right? They don't hate it when something you bought digitally has to be re-bought a generation later, you know? They don't hate it when backwards compatibility doesn't become a thing. It's completely the way things have been going and it's a trend that's fucking anti-consumer is shit.

It sucks. And those anti-consumer trends just keep coming. And also, like again, the streaming services, let's not forget about how much money people spend, you know, in a year on all these different services. And it's like, you know, let's talk about the Nintendo, like virtual console versus what we have now, where we don't know how long that's gonna be around for.

And we've already dumped hundreds of dollars into it. So yeah, I mean, it's just, it's, it's tricky and just to add to what you said before, just as a general sentiment, I'm also big on preservation, whether it be finding a way to do that digitally. If, you know, there's no other way to do so, of course, and or keeping physical media. And I do collect vinyl. And I'm not like crazy about listening to the music on vinyl. Sometimes I do for the ritual of it. But it is nice to have a physical thing that I purchased from an artist I really appreciate. So good to have that in case it's removed. Dude, Neil Young took his music off Spotify. He had his reasons. I understand them. But like, that's one of my favorite artists.

By the time it was taken off, I had like five Neil Young records, and those are my favorites. So now I make it a point to just listen to those, and that's an okay way to do it. Absolutely. I mean, the collection behind me is like the physical, my favorite soundtracks that like were released in a digital era. Like I never thought that this would be an opportunity to get them physically and I'm super happy that that's a possibility now. I also love the fact that the packaging and casing are just an amazing artwork like size and great for presentation and things like that. But yeah, I love that shit. Yeah, it's a fun thing that I'm really happy it came back around. I just kind of like I know that shit. Yeah, it's a fun thing that I'm really happy it came back around I just kind of

Like I know that my shelf space has gotten more limited. I'm being much more selective about anything physical that I do hold on to You know, I was very resistant to digital For many years and like I've now given way because you kind of have to especially if you're trying many things We play in stream on. Yeah, I mean, we have to. I made the decision when I moved a while ago, and I was looking at the fucking multiple bookcases of 360 games that I was dealing with. I'm like, I can't just keep doing this.

Like, it's not feasible. It's not feasible, yeah. So, yes, I do own a record player. It's dancers and it's great. But the, yeah, the fact that just like every subsequent generation is just going to be more and more like, you don't own this game, you don't own this data, you don't own any of that, you know. Buy it a second time, buy it a third time, right?

Or... Or... Or, you know, or... Have your friend lend it to you. Buy it a second time buy it a third time right like or with that man or you know or Have your friend lend it to you Remember that was speaking of events that like I mean we're going all over the place here But um, do you remember that conference where Sony just was like and this is how you Yes, you know play games from your friends

on a Sony console, I'm probably butchering it, and the guy just hands the game to another person, just as a response to Microsoft. I don't think that was probably like one of those moments that actually Microsoft has still probably not recovered from. No, we talked about this a little while ago, where I was talking about an interview with Spencer, where he described that everything about that

was the most disastrous thing that could ever have it in Microsoft, because as a result, everybody built their digital libraries on PlayStation, and no one's ever gonna move off those digital libraries ever. And at the time, the Xbox 360 was basically winning the generation, you know, and they were the default console that everyone was on. And so when they were looking at the Xbox One, they basically like brought out this digital

ownership shit and immediately turned everyone the fuck off. And like that dunk was like so obvious it was not planned by sodium and any way shape or form, but as a result of that, yeah, that hurt there. It was, yeah, 2013 is when that happened and they never recovered from that. Crazy. Two, two gents later, you know. Yeah. Um, and even, yeah, the backtrack didn't go, uh, uh, uh, didn't spread as wide as the

initial story did certainly. And that's just how that happens, isn't it? Mm-hmm. go uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh down that fucking sucks. I don't know if you saw this at any point, but Pat, I don't know if you remember I was talking about it. It's the Overwatch. I played Gundam Evolution. I can't believe it's shutting down so quickly. Thank you, darling. It came out in late, it came out last September and it's a better Overwatch 2 than Overwatch 2. It fucking, it sucks that this is happening. like like it was such a good game But I don't I don't think I don't think that's true. I think it was a cool game But like it felt really paid a win And the all the monetization shit on the colors for those Gundams were ridiculous

They they split they split the cosmetic shit up a bunch, but pay to win in what way? Because the suits you had, you mean just mean like the unlocking of the... I mean, the unlocking of more suits. Okay, because the biggest problem I remember was like ranked just never worked, so everyone had to play casual for a lot of time. Oh, God, that that true also and that

fucking sucked. But the game when it was running when it was actually being played and you could use your units and play properly it was so much fun. I had so much fun with it man. Did it even get a year? No, it came out last September. Jesus Christ. You know, it bums me out because the potential as well to unleash a bunch of cool other suits with like different play styles, because I'm always interested in like, you know, like the melee character and an FPS type thing. And I like seeing how you go about that.

And this game had like, you know, instances of that that were really fun. Overall, you know, I had a bunch of fun with that. And I tapped out, somewhere made overwatched seasons. And this was the first time coming back to, yeah, a team shooter like that, and that I had fun with it. I mean, whatever, not talking about Battle Royale. But bummer and sucks.

That's just another game that's a flash in the pen less than a year. And either you either saw it or you didn't and it's gone. It's behind the nut. And for the people that like it, it's, yeah, there's a lot of games that have just died. Like you can't even play them anymore. You can't even play them. You know, we're talking about preservation and like a bunch of games

like that had an online component or just functionally dead Like world of Warcraft and Final Fantasy 14 and FF 11 They're probably not going anywhere, but like I don't know if you can still play a game of fucking Monday night combat I game rule yeah any game that's just like an online environment is gonna be obviously like Yeah, any game that's just like an online environment is gonna be obviously like often time limited But at least if you go back old enough to certain generations There's people that have like worked hoops to like run private servers So that you can still get a game running period you can still touch the thing, you know? Um, oh

Oh, oh, Robbvers, Robbvers just happened. Oh, yeah, Robbvers for sure, you know and We we I went went in on that in on that game and everything about it. But like, yeah, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it

just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, it just, just, it just. I mean, they figured it out with Titanfall too. And God bless, you know, they got some cool shit going over there. But it just sucks that like, it's like for you can get a point where a game will just be like, oh, yeah, that is effectively a title screen to a future generations. You know, you can watch videos of it on YouTube that existed for a couple of months and you can try, you know, like, maybe, yeah, hitting a login screen, but like that's about it.

I remember when it goes down, it's down for good. I remember, and I feel bad because I can't remember the person's name, and I can't remember the games they're talking about, but it was a game developer that I believe worked on like the system side that described that despite despite working for 10 years in the business and shipping multiple games, nothing they have ever worked on is actually playable.

Oh. Hmm. She's nice. And imagine that. And also, that's also terrible for a CV or a resume purpose. Yeah. Because you're like, Really?

What did you do? Oh, well, I did the system on this game you can't see and can't check out yourself and can't look at. Yes, and that's the thing, like this is huge for when you're in the industry, your resume, like a lot of studios, it depends on the size of the studio and what your rights are and when you sign on.

But major projects, you are not able to show your work off unless it's public. So if you have project that you say you've sign on, but major projects, you are not able to show your work off unless it's public. So if you have project that you say you've worked on, but it's just like untitled project for this three or four year stint or whatever, like you're still under NDA, you can't really give any description of it, that's not gonna super help you except for like,

you know, implying that like, oh, you were a part of a larger thing, but overall, like, if you're trying to get hired and you're resume is like anything that Amazon has bought, any studio that Amazon has bought over the last decade, for example. Like, you're fucking, you never even get that, like, the feeling of just like, oh, God, it's finally done, yay. That, that relief, you know, that ability to like enjoy

something that you've, you've, that ability to like enjoy something that you've touched going public. Like it's fucking horses. Yeah. Now to be fair, there is an upside. There is a real upside to this. Are you, are you, are either if you familiar with what's known as the circuit city trick?

No, what's that? So the circuit city trick is the first time I remember hearing about it and other people may have other names So circuit city went bankrupt, right? And circuit city no longer exists, right? So if you were applying for a job within like the six month period of circuit city going bankrupt You could just be like yeah, I was a manager at Circuit City at this location.

Oh my God. Yeah. And there's no one to call and the fucking thing doesn't exist anymore. And there's no way to verify. You can do that for Twitter right now. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

And you can do it for games that you didn't work on. And you just say you worked for a third party company that was not in the credits. Mm-hmm. Right. Because I know, Wolley, you've worked on like a hundred games that you're not in the credits for. I've worked on fucking hundreds of games that I'm not in the credits for. Like, it's insane. When I made that, when I sat down and looked at the list, it's like, yep, the shame of telling everyone that you hired a QA company is undefeated, you know? Yeah.

The thing is, I worked on the wild star. Yeah, that was a systems engineer on the wild star, yeah, totally. Now, here's the thing, if you're playing this gambit, you better fucking have a follow through right if you do a Fast serve you better be able to play at the net because the when you two weeks in are looking around like What do I do? What do I what is that what and then a to what like fake it? Tell you make it fake it. Tell you making some roles you can do that in a producer role

You can fake the fuck out of that you can walk around the office and go hey what you're working on and then they'll give you an update you go that's cool hey what you're working on oh that's cool and then go back to your boss and be like yeah so I spoke to A about working on A and like you know he's getting along with that I gave him some good ideas about it and I even was bringing in some of the ideas from B and what he's working on over there and I really think these two they're going for there. These are some good features, you know So that's what my day was spent on with you know what you could do right you could just like

Walk around and then go take a shit and then come back to your boss and say yeah Jennifer's really got the voices going real good and just just make up the whole fucking thing and see how far you get Yeah, we're gonna circle back around to that. Oh, fuck. We're gonna circle back, and we're gonna work on seeing if we can just accentuate and accentuate the synergy. The synergy's important, right?

We got a ground swell, we got some momentum going, we want to keep that momentum, we want to, uh, yeah, you know, just, uh, it's, it's just say nothing for an entire email and spend your entire afternoon doing that for a while and before you know it, bam, head producer. Yeah. Just just say words that are not in the Bible. Um, also another thing I was going to say was you, you, you see, uh, catch me if you can, the Spielberg movie about the famous liar Frank Abagnel

It's come forward recently that a lot of the stuff in that script Which was based on his book was also lies So he was such a con man. He was such a con man that he conned Most of his life into a book that eventually Spielberg directed as a film. That's also a con, which was also a con, which either makes him the biggest liar or like the most successful liar or what's the difference. So absolute insanity.

We run a segment called Hustler Scam that is the purest hustle. That's good. God bless. That's good. It works for him. What's funny is that I remember hearing a story about bits of that narrative that they were going to include the movie, but had to cut due to being absurd. Right. And that feeds into that. But the one that was specific was they wanted to showcase his earliest scam, which was standing dressed up as a security guard outside the

safety deposit box of a bank, with a sign that says deposit box closed, give to the security guard. And supposedly, they're like this is ridiculous, but people they filmed it in a real bank and People started to show up and start to give Leonardo a caprio Jesus yeah, it's like you've heard Here about the idea of you know those like reflective vests Like the construction workers, where I've heard this before. Yeah, where it's just keep one on you

and you can like walk with intent pretty much anywhere. I would say if you wish to double that, carry around a walkie talkie. So, I remember, I was like, a ladder, a ladder is in a ladder. Okay, I didn't hit anything. I didn't know-hmm. Okay, okay, ladder. I didn't hit anything.

I didn't know about the ladder one. That's interesting. Who's gonna stop you? For what reason? They don't have the, like, yeah, of course the manager has a work come to do. YouTube channel that just said, hey, how many places can we walk into

the need security clearance? If it's just two guys carrying a ladder. And the answer is every single place they try. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A clipboard and B dirty as well. Sure, absolutely. Like make sure you got some scuff. You've been working hard.

Yeah, I mean, there's that great one with the, there's two guys that printed out and added for McDonald's with them on it. And they just hung it in a McDonald's with them just sitting there eating burgers. And it was just graphic designed in a very generic McDonald's with them on it and they just hung it in a McDonald's with them just sitting there eating burgers and it was just graphic designed in a very generic McDonald's ass way and it stays there for years and nobody ever noticed or thought for a second About it because one day someone just brought it in and hung it and it looked like it belonged, you know You know there was a recent one where I forget what field it was.

It might have been like a like in a school or maybe a hospital where someone had a picture of Killian Murphy printed out, the guy who's playing Oppenheimer, and they had it up for six years alongside photos of other like famous physicists or doctors. I'm getting the story. I'm butchering it, but only only when the movie Oppenheimer got traction Did someone notice oh that's an actor? So yeah, you can do I used to in my college. I used to print out fake flyers for like events that weren't real because I don't know I was dumbass, but one of them was bring your pet to school day and

Yeah, I didn't I don't think it worked worked but I just wanted to let you know about that. Wow okay so chaos chaos then. It was a little chaos but it was nothing harmful chaos it was just like fun you know what I mean? Have you seen this bird stuff like that? Oh man yeah nice. If you want to. If you wanna dive deep into like old psychiatry nerd shit of the ultimate version of this, you can check out the wildly unethical experiments of Stanley Milgram on obedience. Ah, the Milgrams.

Yeah, well, Milgram, I've heard that name hang on there. Where they just have a guy in a lab coat tell you to shock that absolute fuck out of somebody and you'd be You've seen it. I'm honest. Yep, and yeah, that shit's crazy That's combined with something I discovered one year at Halloween Which is you can just go buy a lab coat Mm-hmm You can I just walked into the McGill University book store and bought a lab coat and then walked out wearing a lab coat

On Halloween day, but I kept it for a while. I could have done crimes I just thought it's not good And I believe I think in France like it's like the law that you have to have a high vis vest in your like it's like the law that you have to have a high viz vest in your car trunk or something like that. So, there's places where it's like everyone has one anyway, but yeah, incredible. That's the interesting stuff. Confidence. It's just the key to everything.

That's true. A couple other things going on. So I remember the ads for Earth Bounds back in the day that were the scratch and sniff to smell a gross thing ads. Do you remember those? And yes, I do remember the promo magazine. Well, let's let's fucking turn the beat back. The first ever pizza-cented Xbox controller. Oh my god. For the Ninja Turtles movie coming out. Oh my god. And the photos for the promotion include shots

of people sniffing controllers. That's his. Yeah. So does it make your hands smell like pizza? Of course it does. Oh my god. That is incredible. Because really, how better to let everyone in your vicinity know that you're a gamer than

to make sure that your controller permanently smells like pizza? So I don't know where to stand on this. On the one hand, I just find it repulsive and disgusting on its face. On the other hand, I feel like upset that like, Halo didn't get this shit out of the way first with their their Doritos promotion. The limited edition Doritos and Mountain Dew unfortunately did not come with the smell of gun powder. That's what it should have been.

It should have been the smell of Doritos with drops of Mountain Dew on it. On the controller itself, I don't disagree. Also, like I buy new controllers when they start to feel disgusting and greasy because I'm a freak and I care about that. The idea of buying a controller that smells like someone pre-greased it, so reputnant. I'm just Sent-based marketing of any kind whatsoever is just always the worst and will never ever ever be a thing But it'll certainly serve to get us to fucking call it talk about it because that's the purpose of serving At the end of the day, you know, so God bless Ninja Turtles now everyone's a paying attention, but yeah I'm just like, I remember that Scratch and Sniff ad in particular for Earthbound and like how it went down

is like, I think it was like one of the most infamous game ads. Like it's on the list of like most of them because it's like, it was like, Scratch for the smell of boogers. Scratch for the smell of gym sock. Yeah, that one was effective. I think, so we're all old men here, and we can remember, I think I'm sure I've talked about this

before, but the period of the mid 90s is when like, a bunch of high powered ad men just had no idea how to sell video games at all. And so every ad was like, what are you fucking stupid and gay? Bimeral combat. No, of course. That's pretty much it. Yeah. He's sitting in his fucking office, yelling and going like, we need to have a picture of a nerd rejecting a hot woman to play his games and being yelling be gone thought essentially before that was a thing. Right. That also gross out humor. Like one of the things I do on my stream against my

better judgment is check out old ads like commercials. So I do that once every, I don't know, maybe once a month, once a little bit more than that, but basically I divide them into I hate them. I hate them. Um, and but essentially I played, you know, I'm watching these commercials and I'm like, remembering, oh, wow, the 90s, the gross out humor, especially from like 93 to 99, just like puke and boogers and like quick cuts and lots of slime watching this man in flake and eat himself to death will surely make me want to buy Yoshi's Island. I have that commercial. Oh, yeah, that one that one is a classic and that's also based on Monty Python, but yeah, disgusting. Just gross. So yeah, that was a very specific time.

Oh my brain. My brain just auto completed a memory that I haven't thought about in years. Do you remember that voice recorder that like one of the big selling points was to keep your sister from getting laid by pretending that the parents were home early. The fuck yeah. No, no, the talk boy from the home alone. Home alone? The home alone talk boy.

Like, oh my god. One of the bit, one of the kids I'm where home early. Yeah, and the new sister would be like trying to kiss her boyfriend and they'd go, oh no! And then the kid would be on the fucking staircase going, ah, my sister's never gonna get laid. Yeah, that's it. Like gross out sister, um, um, marketing was a massive part of the 90s, whether it's like making your own bugs,

it's making slime to throw on top of her or whatever they get. All the way down to you will be a virgin forever. You will remain chased. What's the most recent out of touch of those that you can think of that is this style? Because the one that I think of because it was way too late. It was 2011, 2010, was your mom will hate Dead Space 2. Oh yeah, that's a famous one where they show the graphic, like, eye piercing scenes and like, all the gore.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. And it's like this game is only purchasable by adults, man. You said it earlier, but the mobile game ads now that are a. Just lies for the thing that it's not even remotely resembling at all what the game would be or whatever or are just like things that annoy you or like like there's shit I've seen where it's just like ancient three kingdoms type story and oh no which wife should I marry and then or like Like become wife get pregnant and then the baby came out darker. Uh-oh It did what happened and then do you dump your wife or like it's always crazy fucking scenarios

And you're just like what the shit is happening? And it's like the fact that you even stopped you're just like, what the shit is happening? And it's like the fact that you even stopped to look and think about it for a second means they got you, you know? Yeah, so that's been, okay, I actually had to appoint someone to vet my commercials for me. I'm not even kidding, I pay someone now,

they're good lad, they help me go through the commercials and they put them together. And at one point, I had to say to them, please be stricter with the mobile game ads because there was one. Now, usually they involve puke, farts, diarrhea. There's a lot of that. And then the game is unrelated or woman ugly doesn't get husband or, you know, man ugly. It's a lot of that shit. But the one that really, for me, there was a one guy, one jar reference. Wow.

That was in a mobile game ad, swear to God. Oh, you look at that. Oh, that's not what I'm saying. I'll get you a clip at some point. But then the one that made me rethink what I was doing with my life and actually had to say, listen, we need to take a closer look at these mobile game ads before I show them was it activated like trip to phobia, right?

So it was like foot fungus, like scrape off the fungus on the foot. I know that one. But it was lots of circles and it was gross and pussy and it was really disturbing. And then the game is unrelated or the game doesn't even exist. Hey, listen, listen. Yeah, listen, listen. Yeah, listen, listen.

I want to apologize because when I'm scrolling through TikTok and I see like a doctor being like, okay, this dude's got the foot diabetes. Let's cut his foot open. I watch that whole thing. So I'm feeding into whatever all-companium these people are taking the data from. Yeah.

That is like people wanna see people's feet cut apart. But that's also been bled into like the, when you come across some shitty like auto-generated Google AdSense sites and things, where like they're just like, show you a picture of something creepy and weird, and that'll get your attention, whatever the fuck it is. It has to vaguely resemble a body part

with something weird happening to it, or a face with too many lines on it, or a woman with five eyes, or you know what I mean? Like literally, we don't know, just look over here. It's the love of God by it. Right, right, right, right. It's like, it reeks of desperation.

Actually, this ties into one more thing. I played a game last night. This is the name of the game. I want to get it right. It's on steam. Yeah. It's made by the Katamari. I think they did the remakes. D3, but okay. I want to read the name of the game. It's called. Yeah, you want those games right. So here you go. Now let's see you clear them. And it's the games from the commercials of the mobile games and like the key you lift the like the key and then the lava. There's the you click on the buildings with the numbers. There's a car mini game. Anyway, it's just those plus unlockables. So they make the games that it's actually not that everyone's lying about Yeah, the games that everyone's lying about in one game I played it for about 35 minutes that was enough for me

But I will say I enjoyed that the games were actually really well thought out puzzles Like okay, I was shocked. I enjoyed it. You know, that scratches an itch, I think. That scratches an itch of just like, fuck you for lying to me. Even if the game is not that great, that's what I was interested in. You know what? Exactly that. You know what absolutely kills me is the form of advertising. I don't know if you guys would have encountered it

because I waste my time when I, before I go to bed, scrolling through TikTok endlessly because I need more memes faster. And it's a form of like not quite mobile game ad because it's filter advertising and it is people with going, hey, use this thing to, you can't make two triangles with five lines

and it's some dumb shit is living room. You're like a challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't, it's impossible. And it's always like the most dumb shit, easiest thing in the world to solve, just for you to go, I could solve that in two seconds. That was literally, I talked about that on the stream last night because some of the puzzles

I did really poorly on and people were like Vinnie you're doing the ad thing where you're playing bad so that we want to buy the game. Oh my god. So yeah. Fuck this guy I could do it like it's I mean it's that any eight year old will be like lured in by that but also us and everyone else. Yeah, of course. Yeah, so that's a real form of advertising

and it's very frustrating. So in conclusion, you know what, since controllers keep it up, actually, keep it going. Good, that's a good direction. You know what, yeah, you know what, all right, fine. Better than foot fungus. Turned around on it.

And yeah, last couple of here not again not not much but uh real quick they showed a shot of what venom is looking like in spider-man 2 and you know what that's venom no notes this feels almost pointless it's like there he is that's what it is nothing is the most venom looking venom I've ever seen which is satisfying because it's not some it's it's I'm is. It's the most, it's the most, man, I'm looking venom. I've ever seen. Which is satisfying because it's not some, it's, it's, I'm like, yeah, that's fine. That's venom. That's what I, that's what I'd like. That's good.

No notes. Like I said, there was the combat pack they showed off for MK1, which is a got home lender, Quanche, Omni-Man, He's Maker, or Mac and Takeda, some are affectionately calling it the racism combat pack. Oh my gosh. So yeah, they've done Robocop Terminator, they've done Rambo, they've done Aliens Predator, they've done all the horror things

and all the crossover things so all right Let's get let's get the anti-superman Dude it's going. Yeah, that is like what TV shows did Ed Boone watch over the past two years? Yes, yeah exactly that yeah, and MK's big enough that they can just be like yeah like we want that and they're like sure You know, it's almost based on name alone too, yeah. I like, obviously, I did not watch the boys and I haven't read or watched Invincible, so I'm not the target audience.

I find it really strange how there are like two not Superman evil Superman in your DLC roster. That is such a violent overlap. But that's no, but that's the point though, because people have been drawing fan art of like home lander versus Omni Man for because those are both in the zeitgeist right now, and in the same way that they bring in Robocop

and Terminator in the same season, or Alien and Predator in the same way that they bring in Robocop and Terminator in the same season or alien and predator in the same MK. Like, they're doing that through their game. It's deliberate. I mean, it's just a matter of, yeah, I mean, that's going to build a little bit of hype, even if these characters aren't particularly well known by everybody. Like, the boys ended up being a pretty huge show. But then you have to think about like how do you, I guess they do it with Superman and like plenty of the games. But, you know, when you watch the shows and you see these like super overpowered like gods, you

know, and then they're fighting like, I don't know, what's his name, Nick Cage? No, Johnny Cage. And then it's like really like Nick Cage can beat. Well, you know what? Nick Cage may as well be in it. He's in dead by daylight. Get him in Mortal Kombat. Fuck it. No, but he's the brother of Johnny Cage.

Screw it. I just have levels mean nothing, right? No, it's for fun. You're gonna hit with the laser and the home lander's gonna hit you with the laser and yeah, you should melt, but you don't. And it's Mortal Kombat. I think. Every time I do a super, you should melt, but you don't and it's mortal. Clay, I think. Yeah.

Every time I do a super, you should be dead, you know? Like, I think what's really important is that like, uh, injustice was like insanely broken. It was like the most nether realm style of broken game ever with just all those items. Shit. And like even Superman in that game was broken, right? It would be really funny if like they tried really hard and like MK 1 1 1 was like hey, this is like a good fighting game And then home lander comes out and is just injustice Superman and

just ruins That fucking game with his injustice nonsense Every it's the kind of game though where everyone's going to be kind of insane and busted to some degree. It's leaning in that direction already. So they seem to just be embracing it. If he's on it's he's cheap as fuck. It'll be par for the course because the the stuff that they're currently doing

with Ken she, for example, is just like good luck. Yeah, unfair and who gives a fuck seems to be the way they're playing it fast and loose. It's cool. Last but not least, the Tekken 8 closed beta. And didn't get a chance to get in there, but I'd like to. Still waiting on a character that I'm excited about about maybe someone new or maybe Steve, but just you know, Leroy is in there. So that's that's all right.

But the only thing to report, I guess, is just we've been waiting to hear about what's going on with the net code. So Tekken 7 was a very good fighting game, but it suffered from having really rough online play. Well, that's because this rollback was three. It's rollback is three. Exactly. There's a bit of a meme where the director of the series

just kind of said, Tekken is three in response to like, what kind of net code is the game running? And unfortunately, it seems like Tekken eight might still be three, perhaps maybe even 4. Whatever the fuck that means. Well, no, actually, what that means is people have been running into problems on the Tekken 8 close beta this weekend, because it seems to be suffering from some of the same issues as 7 did. Now, they said they brought in another studio, they brought in Erika to help them with that stuff. And right now it looks like it runs the net code way better than seven, but way worse than Street Fighter 6 is essentially where it's landing.

People that have had Wi-Fi matches are, of course, unplayable. They're just garbage. Yeah, I want to point out, by the way, in my new space, the temporary space, I'm not using my usual internet connection. I'm using a Wi-Fi five internet connection to do all my stuff. And I'm playing Street Fighter matches as normal. I'm putting it in no problems. Yep, that game is doing a lot of heavy lifting on on bad connections. and that's the magic of it. That's what matters the most, right? There's a whole long explanation for all this, but to actually answer sort of what tech in

is three even means, the short version of it is this. When the game is waiting for you to send, when I'm connected to you, and I'm waiting for your game to send me data, the first three frames are going to be delay-based, so I'm going to wait for your input and then play out the action according to what to send me data. The first three frames are going to be delay based. So I'm going to wait for your input and then play out the action according to what you send me. The next three frames are rollback frames that can reference a synced perfect state and go backwards if anything is off sync. But then everything from frames seven and onward goes back to being delay based. So the short version of this is

um if you have a good connection with someone you're gonna have a normal delay based game but it'll it'll run and if you have a like okay connection it will affect you that's where the rollback zone is so to speak and anything that's a bad connection gets worse. The thing that Street Fighter makes happen in a lot of cases is people who you have bad connections with end up being very playable games that feel good and you can actually connect around the world, and it broadens the player base of people you can fight, and all these good things that come from that. This is just the first closed beta, but right now, there's tons of matches of people getting awful results with Tekken 8 and the freezing. And every time you see the game kind of pauses and hiccup and then wait for someone to get data to start moving again,

that tells you that they're still relying on delay-based input instead of rollback, you know. It says a lot to me how much Street Fighter I'm playing because I was like out of fighting games and then I'm like Oh all of it all of that not playing fighting games was just frustration about me getting bad matches That was like all that was a hundred percent of it and I really like Tekken a lot I think Tekken's great and I'm excited to continue to not play Tekken at all because I am so done with this. Fingers crossed, it's the first test in that they're gonna learn from it and do something,

but it's annoying that out of the gate, it seems to be repeating some of the same problems. Now, I went like, yeah, Vitty, don't even worry about the numbers of all that bullshit I just said there. At the end of the day. I kind of get it a little bit. Okay. Yeah at the end of the day. It's just one of these things where It's fighting games used to be about going to the arcade popping in 50 cents and you know, hitting some buttons, right? Yeah, and then you know some people got to play together on the same couch and that's how I grew up but like now And then, you know, some people got to play together on the same couch, and that's how I grew up.

But like now, playing online on the internet is the way that it's the only way to survive, you know? And for just the longest time, the genre has been lagging because like the offline experience has always been the highest priority. Of course, yeah. So there was just late to the party

on getting the online experience better. And the short version is that, like, the guys who run EVO, the big tournament, like 10 plus years ago, they invented a really good way to make fighting games work online. But big companies don't like paying attention to smaller little contributions. They kind of want to do it themselves, especially if it's like a Japanese company that has a very stringent way of doing things. So people have been yelling, people like us have been yelling for years. There's a solution, just listen to this thing that these people have made over here. It's been working forever, but the bigger the company, the more they want to turn their

nose away from it. So it's just been this frustrating thing, you know. It went that thing you're talking about. That's not rollback, is it? That's rollback, exactly. That is. Okay, because, you know, okay, because I have only a little bit of knowledge when I was playing Smash, which I know it's not a strict fighting game necessarily, and I'm fine with that,

but I liked playing that online, but it just felt like shit most of the time. Yeah. And then that's when I learned, my audience was telling me about how to understand these things. So I kind of got what you were saying a bit. Right. It's exactly that. And Nintendo was like the king of like not giving a shit about your online matches because they literally had a system in Smash where if you disconnect from someone, the CPU takes over, you know, like it was so insane, like how little they gave a fuck about any of that. I'm still remembering the worst experience I had

with Smash Ultimate's netcode was not playing random matches. It was when we were all, I was in a group playing with friends that had decent internet connections and we were having a good time. And then a different friend came in. And because of the way spectating in that system worked, when my friend came in, And because of the way spectating in that system worked, when my friend came in, everyone got to enjoy like a full second extra of delay on all of their

matches. And it was like, oh, like it incentivize this weird system of like, Hey man, I'll play solo matches with you later. But for now, get the fuck out of here. Right, right, exactly. Because you even being in this room is screwing up our matches. That's sad. Yes. And there's always terrible. That point too, where like, even if you, like, though everyone who has a switch is playing

it wirelessly because that's what you fucking have to do, you gotta go out of your way to get a wired connection going and who the fuck's gonna bother with that, you know? Built to fail Shame anyway, let's take some letters If you want to send in a letter send it to castle super beast male at gmail.com. That's castle super beast male at gmail.com Alright, we got one coming in from Ben who says, hello, William Pat, background. I love campaign driven control team NPC style of game where,

for example, rainbow six and rainbow six one and rainbow six two, where, okay, hold on a second, the sentence fell apart. Let me try this out. Hahaha! I loved the campaign driven, control a team of NPCs, game style of Rainbow Six One and Two, which I don't find as common a game type now as I wish in the shooting genre.

When Siege and I got it, pre-ordered immediately without thinking about the changes that were occurring with the series. When it was released, I was disappointed that it became an online multiplayer team kind of game. Has the series of games ever evolved in a way that killed your enjoyment of it completely but became more popular and you were called a fool whenever you were complaining about

wanting it to return to an inferior old style? Shining Force. Every single shining game that comes out, there's a bunch of people in the comments of the YouTube trailer that goes, I wish they still made these in the strategy RPGs. And then all the new shining fans who are hate new RPG, whatever, just yell at them and it's a pile of shit. Apex Legends obviously is the one that comes up all the time. Yeah, it's a Titanfall 2 Yeah, but the thing is is I don't hate Apex Legends because it was a battle royale

I hate it I hate the fact that they abandoned the coolest parts of Titanfall And if you want to use the robots and the wall running and all that cool shit in a battle royale Apex could have been the greatest thing ever right the Titanfalls like like gameplay elements that we love in Something like a battle royale setting would have been unbelievable if I think I think they actually talked about like why that's not in it and So I might be pulling this out of my ass, but I remember an interview in which they described

that a version of Apex Legends had the Titanfall movement in it, but it made it so that like, people who couldn't do that shit had no chance on this earth of getting to the end of the game. So that's the big big big. It created like a skill Delta that was just like infinite. Right. Yeah, so then we get now we get this and this is the better timeline clearly.

This is the one that we should be on. I guess my answer, I don't really have a good answer. I mean, I really miss real-time strategy games that doesn't answer the question. And I know there's some being worked on at the moment, like stuff like Starcraft and Warcraft 3, you know. But I think there's always going to be some indie game that tries to do that. And I think the former devs of those games are making a new one. So that's interesting for me. Is there not a not Starcraft game being made right now? I believe so. I think it was showing off at some event and I was looking at it and going, Oh my God, that's just literally not starcraft.

I think that's still being made. So that's, you know, something in that genre, though, I mean, here's one that I don't agree with, but I've heard it said, and I've actually spoken to people about this exact thing is Zelda, like the style of open-world Zelda versus, you know, a green of time style, which then you could argue, well, what about 2D Zelda? So there's like three types of Zelda games for if you add in Zelda 2, which I personally like, but a lot don't. But I mean, for me, I'm enjoying the open world Zelda, but I'm ready for like, if Nintendo wants to go back

and forth between, here's an open world. Okay. Now, here's one like, Ocarina or Link to the Past, you know, every couple of years we rotate. I'd be cool with that. Like, I like all styles. I like all the styles. I'm in a similar place, but like boy I sure could go for a late 90 style pre rendered background Resident Evil game Sure, I'd play those games just stopped being made entirely After rafi came out. I enjoyed that a link between worlds came out in an era of, you know, proper 3D Zelda's, right?

And that was a nice little place to go. Like that one. And of course, you know, tears of the Kingdom too, it's like, well, this is the current engine they're working on. Like, this is the place that they have the most resources currently allocated, you know. But if it does become part of a, yeah, a formula that they can revisit in different ways, that'd be fun.

I never really considered that like, they'd switch off and come back to open world, you know, because I kind of felt like that's sort of just adapting what games do these days as they just, they expand, they get bigger and that becomes a permanent change, you know. On a plus side, fucking what do you call it? Balmers get one and two came out,

and then EA put out Dragon Age Origins, which was like kinda similar. Like, oh wow, these games are cool, and then they put out every game after that, and went, oh cool, we'll never get a game like that, shit, ever again, as far as long as we live and it took like over 15 years and switching developers to get a third Baldur skate game that was like actually somewhat similar Okay, let's take one over here from

No name given. Dear orbiting Pat and Labbing Woolly. So... TLDR, what are some of the instances of the public having a negative stance on a media or game that you had the opposite opinion on? So for context, I've been playing ExoPrimal, and I found it to be more fun than most people give it credit for. This triggered a lot of forgotten memories of me renting a very well-forgotten game called Brink. Oh my god. Oh my god. Remember the 360 from a red box? And to keep it short, Brink was a parkour first-person

shooter with classes. It died on arrival. Not a lot of people played it or remembered it existed. But I was very young at the time, and my bar for quality was nowhere near what it is now. So I enjoyed it a lot. And when I returned it, I bought a used copy from GameStop. When I went to the counter, the clerk stopped me and said, you know this game sucks, right? And I looked at it in the eyes and said, yeah, I know. I may have played it for another month or two before the Xbox One came out. So when have you had a contradictory opinion on media that hit like that? So specifically a couple of infamous, One of you had a contradictory opinion on media that hit like that.

So specifically a couple of infamous, a positive contradictory opinion, right? It's like saying something popular sucks. Like what? Of course. That has a reason. That's your brain. Yes. Just to mention exo-primal, I will say that I'm like the demo that I played of it didn't didn't

Do anything for me, but like I was given like an artificially poor opinion of that game by having Capcom Email me like four times asking me if I wanted to cover it which like screamed desperate desperate. Um, let me think. I have light. So the ones, there's always, there's the ones that are all lore for me at this point. But like to dissect the other emipologist bit, the going back to when that was around the story in other M.S. garbage, but I always liked that the combat that Team Ninja changed up in a way they added things like the counter attack and how the melee oriented stuff in that on top of Metroid felt.

I was like, oh, I liked that those decisions are being made. So, I overall appreciated that aspect of the game. And then thankfully Metroid Dread used some of those notes and gave Samus the parry later on in Metroid Dread. So the things that I liked about other M are now proper inside the real, you know, entry systems. I don't know with the opinion I'm about to say is even unpopular. Right. So that like I haven't kept up because it's been decades Counter-strike 1.6 and Dave defeat 1.3 are like 10 times better than CS source and DOD source like I remember playing CS 1.6 and fucking day to feet 1.3 and then the source

versions came out and I was like overwhelmed with like oh these are terrible these are awful versions of these good games always that extremely popular there are people that I think like some of the newer stuff with Counter Strike but yeah 1.6 is pretty well revered at this point. Yeah. Has anything like that Vinny? Oh my god. What's up?

Well, do you have anything like that? Yeah, I do actually. I was going to there's a couple so I'm going to wrap it fire. I love Zelda 2. I play it once a year. I do the randomizer. The game is bullshit, but I love it. I was gonna say Metroid Prime Federation Force.

Well, I didn't finish that game. Damn, what a pull. I didn't like it that much because I was just kind of bored by it, but I played it on the same day that the first No Man Sky happened. In fact, I streamed both at the same time as a joke. It was terrible. God, that's loose. It's loose that day.

Holy fuck. That was not, but the original No Man Sky drop made me feel a lot better about Federation Force and I ended up playing good six or seven hours of it. And I was like, this isn't completely terrible. If that released after a proper Metroid game, it would have been just a forgotten, like, oh, it's fine, but it turned into a shichou.

There's also, I guess, here's one more, Durgif Cerberus Final Fantasy VII. Oh my God. Now, talk to himus Final Fantasy 7. Oh my god. No. Talk to him. Talk to him. Let's go. I don't love the game, but I remember hearing how terrible it was, so I streamed it for

the funnies, and there were things I liked about it. I like it. I can remember. It's the Valentine. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. I can only remember two things from that game out of that whole game. One for a third person shooter the immediate feeling of me shooting the gun being like, uh,

was bad was bad. And the other thing was that like Lucretia was like a pitiful figure in FF7. And like the story they gave her in that game makes me wish like more bad things happened to her because she is so stupid, she is so stupid. Oh, I don't even remember, that's the thing. I don't even remember it. Like I watched Cyborg bully her off the internet. I'm like Vincent Valentine is a character design

that can just bully its way through. like no matter what game it's in Yeah, even if the character has no character. It's just Yeah, yeah exactly. It's like spawn, you know like like like Todd McFarlane back in the day Like you just you just draw that with the fucking the red and the hair and the He's doing it. He's just, look, just look at him and appreciate the way he looks. And that's it, that's all people.

I think there's a real appeal to cool fan-pire man in a cloak, and then you're like, what does he need? And then you just draw a cool pistol in his hand. You're like, done. I nailed it. He was always a party member for me. Yeah, man. Like, and that's like, it's the same thing that made like, Tri-Gun appealing with Vash the Stampede,

just like, it's a sketch of a dude with a gun and a red cloak in the shadows, you know? Perfect. It's the same exact aesthetic, which is why people lose their minds when you have like a robot, and then you make the robot a little beat up, and then you make the robot wear a coat or a cloak,

or a scarf. Put a clothes on it, scarf. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do it. That'll do it. Okay, two more that come to mind as well. Our, Okay, two more that come to mind as well are Bionic Commando the 3d one

Like despite overall being like especially in the in the likes of of rearmed existing being essentially just a why the fuck did that this ever happen project I look at it and I appreciate the fact that it's it's proof of concept that a swinging 3D Bionic Commando game can happen. It's just if the character and story weren't fucking a Dwifarm, you know, if it was actually handled in a way that was well done. The swinging and the ability to play in death from above and just shoot and like that style of game can't work. And that I know it works because the multiplayer was a ton of fun. And swinging through the air and sniping people in mid-air is the hottest shit ever. So, feel like Bonacomando 2009 is a really, it's like the perfect game if you want to talk about how expectations can

ruin something for you. If that, if BioCom 2009 was the exact same game it is now, like identical, but it had no story. It had no cutscenes at all. And it was not made by Capcom. It was just some game you found on Steam. That would be like a cult classic. He would be like, did you hear about Biog, all the swinging in that game, so cool.

Random discovery. But because it came out by Capcom in their golden 360 era, and the story was so aggressively fucking awful, like it's consigned to the six out of 10 bargain bin forever. And we know what that name should mean, right? A bionic commando game should be a lot of fun. And you got a fun one right next to it. Yeah, that's it though. That's it. Like, that game sticks in my mind even now. I don't know when I started to do it, but over the past couple of months, whenever I get stuck on a boss,

I will, like, just manifest the phrase, wow, this guy looks pretty tough, I guess I'll just have to fuck it. And then no one knows what the fuck I'm talking about, because that makes no sense. And then I have to explain, well, in BioComcom 2009 when you lose to the worm boss three times for some reason Steve Bloom tells you to fuck it And then I don't know why I've done that so funny Thank you response to Steve Bloom and goes what what why Yeah, yeah, yeah What? Why? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, actually, uh, Steve Bloom is the guy who's saying, what? Why? And the voice actor is the, the lead singer of, uh, Oh, do I have it back? Do I

have it? Yeah, because the leads, yeah, the, the Spencer is voiced by the lead singer of that, of whatever band it was. Faith, no more or something. I don't I don't remember Oh Mike Patton was it I think so I think so something like that yeah so find this huh oh no no no no you're right super Joe says I guess you're gonna have to fuck it and then yeah red Spencer goes what yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right you're right you're right you're right other way around sorry Sorry He's telling him on the comms to do that. You're a great. It's battling. It's fucking weird. And yeah, it was Mike Patton for some weird reason My patent had a stint in which he had a growly voice and he wanted to be in video games, which is why he voiced the darkness in the darkness one and two I darkness in the darkness one and two. Hmm. I can't words.

I also feel this way about Mirazedge Catalyst where... Oh, shut up. Mirazedge, that game's sucks. Mirazedge is the better game. But what I'm saying is the Catalyst with the open world idea, I don't think open world is a completely garbage concept for Mirazedge. I think it can work. It just needs to be a well-designed open world.

You know? That it needs to be an open world that like is fucking awesome and fun and well built and you know, tons of places and things to do and so on. But yeah, the, I remember that plot. I played Catalyst and then I was like,

maybe I'm remembering it wrong. And then reinstalled Mirazette one and replayed the first two levels and was like, no, I'm not remembering it wrong. This game from 2008 is way better. It's the strength of the map. That's what it comes down to, you know? It's your parkouring through it.

So the stage needs to have character and be built well and open world games, you know, it's, it's, you're parkouring through it. So like the stage needs to have character and be built well in open world games, you know, there's a lot of dry, nothing ones. And the ones that stand out, you know, when everyone played Breath of the Wild, they're like, holy shit, this is an a fun open world, you know, set up. Like, like, you have to, they, you have to approach it like that, you know? It would have happened. Also, if you asked me which I thought would make for a better designed area in a video game, like a building made entirely out of color glass or a building made out of freshly painted concrete,

I would be shocked to tell you right now that the painted concrete actually looks way better. The mirror's edge as I do me. Still go to that. The first game looks better visually than the second game. It's funny. I've never played Mirazeg. But if you showed me a screenshot, I've watched it, you know, play it a couple times. If you showed me a screenshot of that game, would know it's mirrors edge and that is it's shocking as

Thank I could lower peace with a space between each letter Yeah, yeah, all right last one over here Get cat friend No, what okay? Jess broken asks Get cat's friend. No, what? Okay, Jess. Oh, good. Asks. Dare, woolly versus in Patrick Boivin, the animator.

Fuck, oh, what is he? Skeet, skeet, skeet is one of the elements of hip hop, quote, unquote, could woolly please explain these words to my uncultured, Swedish ears. That's just one question. Okay, all right here. Look, all right. I'll set the picture real quick.

The year is 1973. This is a word in the Bronx. All right, Sophia, tell your story. DJ Cool Herk is at a party and everyone is break dancing, but they want to break they want to dance for longer But the instrumental section of the music is not lasting long enough So he physically cuts the records up and makes the break part last longer so that they can dance for longer Right so right there he starts scratching and the b-boy start b-boying Now

Blondie the girl girl from Call Me, you remember that song? Call Me! Walks up and grabs the mic, and she starts freestyling, right, with Rapture, and before you know it, she's the first rapper of all time, right? Blondie!

And Debbie Harry. And then, right, you got your rap, you got your MCN, she you got your emcee in she's the the first the first rapper of all time you got your your your scratchin you got your b-boyin and then outside everyone that witnesses this event is so fucking blown away by it that they paint a mural and then they graph that shit on the walls and those are the elements of hip hop coming together right there right Right? You got

your four elements, but then nowadays we got skaten, the skaten. Now that's one of the really important elements of hip hop. You see, back in the day, you had them squares up in the, you know, up in their wall street, towers looking down, and they didn't believe that it could make it from the windows all the way to the wall, right? But a couple of cats on the streets thought otherwise, they thought they could get it all the way from the window to the wall, and then,

they started working on that shit fast forward a couple generations that's hip hop will they tell you was all of that nonsense I believe them that's hip hop no what's ski? It's when you're on your skateboard and you grab the bumper of a car and then you go really fast. Skeet, ski, ski is a little different though. Skeet, ski, shooting is different than ski, ski, ski, yes? Mm-mm.

Well, maybe not. The important part is that they proved that it can make it all the way across the room. It can make it everywhere, everywhere motherfucker. All of it. Hell yeah. The four and now five elements of hip hop. There you go. Talk to your local end pass dealer.

See what we can do for you. That's not real. Don't walk up to a black person and ask them if they're your end pass dealer. Talk to your local. Talk to your, and we can get you get you face going we can get you we can got you all hooked up with everything you need to know just recite the story of hip hop as told just there accurately and you get yourself in free actually I don't know I feel like if somebody

told that story for Bayonum as you just told that some people would think that's really funny. I mean, because it's so off-bait. Only one way to find out. There are. You can go out there and find the people who will absolutely co-sign Blondie as the first rapper of all time. That's out there. I'm just saying. It's actually kind of mind blowing. Vinnie, I just want to point out we didn't go through this period

last time you were here because this pre that predated Woolie's shit. Don't don't don't believe don't listen to him. Don't don't don't take any advice from Wooley. I think if any of us had more trustworthy advice to give on subjects of the culture, you would have to listen to someone of the culture that can deliver these facts. But here's the thing. There's a difference between expected knowledgeability and trustworthiness. Hang on, I can fix this, hang on, hang on. Was Blondie the first rapper? Harry didn't invent this nor ever claim to,

but she was probably one of the first to bring rap singing into a more mainstream rock song, Rapture in 1980. See? See? A whole lot of people say that Blondie was the first rapper, therefore, say the bloody was the first rapper therefore Bloody is the first rapper. Oh, is this like how Elvis invented rock and roll? There it is. Oh, okay, okay. We're learning history There it is. There's the final puzzle piece

mental that is I There it is, there's the final puzzle piece. Mental, that is. I gotta watch that Elvis fucking movie. I saw that clop or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like,

or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is like, or Tom Hanks is I mean, that's a whole conversation, but you know what? You can watch my okay, find a four minute compilation on YouTube of the, the best Elvis movie moments and you'll be good. You know what?

I told, I watched the ending. I watched the ending on someone's over the shoulder on a plane. And I told everyone about it. Or he gets out of the car. Yeah, that is the back way to watch a movie that you're not interested enough to actually go and watch Is over someone's shoulder on a plane? It is the all the respect a movie you don't actually want to watch deserves. I saw everything I needed to know and read those subtitles. It was grand. He flew to heaven and that's how he died.

Yeah. All right. Vinnie, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks Vinnie. You've been fantastic as always. Oh, love you buddy. Hey, real quick, I just want to say yes. Thank you so much for having me. Pat, thank you for rating my channel as much as you do. I know our overlap time is you stream earlier than I do, but you should know I appreciate you so much. Oh thanks man. You're great. We got to do more stuff together. Good luck. I always know that like my audience will be thrilled to show up in your stream. So like, it's a no. Oh absolutely. And vice versa for you. Like seriously, anytime I see you live, if I can, I will do the raid. So I appreciate you. Every time you raid me I'm like fucking it up finishing

my shitting my pants. That's okay I shit my pants for a living don't worry about it. No no I appreciate you Pat thank you so much for everything and and we'll listen man you know us getting a chance to hang out at TMG this year was like you're one of the realest dudes and I appreciate everything we got a chance to hang out at TMG this year was like you're one of the realest dudes and I appreciate everything we got a chance to hang out we got a chance to talk about metal gear about life and everything in between so it was awesome yeah absolutely thank you so much and thank you for having me so maybe we'll we'll get together again sometime.

And maybe I'll tell you about the next big meme in six years. Thank you for helping us. I'll let you out to New York. Please do, for sure. All right, and all of you people have a good week or whatever. Bye, everyone. Bye, everyone. one.