Castle Super Beast - CSB 243: A Link Between Wombs

Starting point is 00:00:00 МУЗЫКАЛЬНАЯ ЗАСТАВКА Yeah, I don't know if I'm hot or cold. Are you sucks? Are you lukewarm? No, right now I'm a little cold, but I put on my flannel and then it's warm. It's bullshit. Damn, that's it, that's all I got. So we installed some air conditioning here that is also winter heating and

Starting point is 00:01:10 You can it's it's you know, you have to have baseboard heaters in Quebec But like these things are cool because you can ride the line between like blasting hot air or cold air at you And yeah, but here's the thing, it's not the heat's fault. It's me. It is you. Okay. Yeah, are you experiencing manopause? I might be.

Starting point is 00:01:37 Oh boy. I'm going through a wide variety of mental and biological and chemical changes in my man brain hot flashes. The other day the baby was crying and I looked at page and biological and chemical changes in my man brain, hot flashes. The other day the baby was crying and I looked at page and then I started crying and she's like, what's going on? I'm like, my little baby, she's my little baby. And she was like, they're there, Pat. She was like, patting me on the back as I'm trying to comfort the baby.

Starting point is 00:02:01 But oh, it was, oh, it was a whole chemical. It was one whole chemical. I would like to nominate hot flashes as the coolest word for something that's totally not cool. Oh, yeah. That is probably the number one coolest name for something where when you find out

Starting point is 00:02:19 what it actually is, it's not at all. And that's number one with a bullet. It's called getting the vapors. I think you gotta hold back on how sick so you name some things sometimes, find something way laimor. In any case. So what's up, Wally?

Starting point is 00:02:44 What's up this week? Speaking of nominations, what are we, what he what's up this week speaking of nominations? What are we what are we what are we doing here? What's going on? Oh, I fucking we woke up and the baby came over and we all watched The goddamn game awards nominations and this is following up last week a couple days ago that fucking gold and joystick shit and boy Let me tell you, award season in video games has never been better. I hate it. It's never been better. I know.

Starting point is 00:03:09 Did you, everyone loves it? I hate it. I hate everything about it. Wally, you would love the fucking golden joysticks. You would have fucking loved it. Train wreck is too kind. Did you watch the, the, the Konami press conference, the famous one of, like way back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:31 Did you watch the Sega anniversary screen? It's stream that had that fucking weird buzzing noise going on. I remember. I remember right up there. Oh, right up there, dude. See, it's just that like with game announcement shows and stuff like especially back that there was always Yeah, those those are the the industry memes that would define a generation But you can remember how much I hated like like like top 10 lists and shit like that. Oh, yeah, you hated that shit And so like the game awards is just the ultimate. It's the ultimate. I would sure is. Fucking trash. And it's like, okay, so I'll, I'll, we'll catch the wind of like whether seafood was a fighting game. I suppose they're not. But dude, what I've caught with ice

Starting point is 00:04:13 of pee is up for RPG of the year. Nice. What I've caught window, if I guess is, um, uh, Baldur's sweep, high-fi sweep, and fuckstar field. Okay, so do you wanna talk about the Game Awards nominations, or do you wanna talk about the Golden Joysticks first, because those are two wildly different topics. Okay, so I know next to nothing about the Golden Joysticks. All right, let's start there. Scratch that. I know nothing. Okay, the Golden Joysticks. All right, let's start there. Let's start there. I know nothing.

Starting point is 00:04:45 Okay, so Troy Baker comes out. The Golden Joysticks is supposed to be like the Golden Globes, because all the devs are in attendance and it's a smaller scale show, but it's still fan voted. So I don't actually see the actual difference between the two. And it took place in the UK. So step one, step one, Troy Baker up on the stage, big glass of wine in his hand, telling us,

Starting point is 00:05:15 reading off the prompter, I'm not going to try and win you over with comedy and dad jokes. This is, we're going to have a classy show. He then proceeds to read Maybe the shittiest batch of jokes I've ever heard at an award show and he knows it Because he starts to go like like a third of the way through where he's a little more buzzed He starts to say I did not write these jokes out loud with his starts to say, I did not write these jokes. How loud with his mouth. Like the phrase I did not write these jokes.

Starting point is 00:05:48 Classic. And then he gets to the two thirds part in which he's so mad that he is looking at the producer who wrote the jokes who was off camera and saying Jordan, Jordan. I didn't write these jokes. So Jordan wrote these jokes. Is that? Now that is a late night bit that works. When you read it and the late night host is as shocked

Starting point is 00:06:17 as the audiences and goes, wow, and tosses the card or whatever. Here's the part. That's a classic bit. Here's the part where you know it's real. Page picked up on this when we're watching it. He would do it and then he would read the announcement and then he was so pissed off that he was like pushing

Starting point is 00:06:34 off the podium as he walked off. Like, like he was, he was, he was a seething. Okay, so on top of that, his microphone wasn't on when he got up on stage. Classically. They had a microphone attached to a podium. Then they turned the microphone up, but then realized that there was no actual mic

Starting point is 00:06:57 for any of the direct feed. So when they would play like Japanese developers accepting an award from abroad, what they would do is you would just hear the stage noise through the podium microphone as people were watching. But then they figured out how to cut to the direct feed. And the direct feed for every single video with loop after 10 seconds and restart.

Starting point is 00:07:23 So all the Japanese awards, like everyone who won the award in Japan, you didn't know what they said because their video was just looping with no translation. Oh no. Um, the microphone started to feed back into each other at the end of the 16 percent. Okay. Um, the cameraman kept cutting to like the podium while it was empty and then cutting to like the stage area when there was no one there.

Starting point is 00:07:56 Troy came out and started to talk about how millennials don't know what magazines are because I guess he's too old to understand that millennials had magazines. The picture I'm getting is of Troy with like Wyno Tone, like with pit, with purple lips, not quite, but not quite. Wow, okay.

Starting point is 00:08:15 My personal favorite is they had like one indie dev that wanted their trailer to be shown. And when they went to cut to it Troy walked off and instead of cutting to the direct feed, or even the wide shot, they cut into a closeup at an angle of the podium. So all you could see was like the bottom left one-third of the trailer for the whole trailer.

Starting point is 00:08:40 Like you couldn't even see the name of the game at the end of it. Okay, so podium Chen getting a lot of push. But here's here's what here. So this was all incredible. This was all amazing, right? What really, really kicked it up to the next level was the crowd of developers talking over other developers Acceptance speeches. Oh, no. Oh, that's so rude.

Starting point is 00:09:11 Damn. So like so like Tri has to come out at some point and actively Chush the crowd and at one point even points to a table and goes, hey, what table are you guys? Nine, nine, you guys are clapping having a great time. Good for you guys. Good noise. All the rest of you. Bad noise. Oh boy. Bad noise. And it hit the fucking climax. As Neil Newborn, the guy who plays Astari in Baldur's Gate 3, the guy who he runs a performance capture company,

Starting point is 00:09:51 he also played some characters in Detroit. He comes up and he's giving his speech where he's talking about how Astari and is a survivor of abuse, and so is he, and that's why the character means so much to him. And as he is saying these words, the crowd is so loud. Just, and drunk that you can't hear him. And then you hear someone closer to the microphone, go,

Starting point is 00:10:16 shh, shh, shh, shh. Oh. Where's Chris Judge when you need him? It dude. Oh, fuck. So, Paige and Dad Asuna have teamed up and they have a super cut that Paige is gonna be checking out on her stream in the near future of the Troy Baker moments.

Starting point is 00:10:43 Of the crowd work. Oh yeah, oh yeah, somebody points out, you also got a really fun thing where at about the 60, 70% mark that would cut to the crowd and you could see people getting up from their tables and getting ready to leave. Yeah, okay.

Starting point is 00:10:57 And walking out, how long was the show? The show was 90 minutes. Fuck. Oh yeah, so Troy, The show was 90 minutes. Fuck. Oh, yeah. So Troy, at one point, came up and his bow tie was almost all the way off his fucking lapel. And it was like that for like four trips up to the podium. And then he was like, so how long has this bow tie been off? And people look at him like a half hour. And he's like's like great. Thanks guys. Thanks and take sip of his wine

Starting point is 00:11:29 What do you mean I can't take off my sweater again? Damn Train right disaster like come oh my god like right up there right up there With with the Konami show of your and that sa- Sega. It's been a couple of years since it's been like just even on a technical level, an absolute fucking clusterfuck. That's, yeah, it's been a while since we've had one of those. Okay. And Baldur's K-3 won every single award that it was up for at that event. And Baldur's K-3 won every single award that it was up for at that event.

Starting point is 00:12:08 Which, good for them, they deserve it. But maybe this is my own head cannon, but I feel like you could feel like annoyance. Because there are a bunch of teams there that had like a lot of people there. They didn't win nothing. I imagine a- I imagine a- I imagine a- But I imagine it's like the Golden Globes or so were like the big thing. That's the favorite. No, it's fan voted. So I thought it was gonna be developer voted.

Starting point is 00:12:31 It wasn't, it was fan voted. Oh, I didn't even get to the categories. So they started off being like, hey guys, some games are ineligible for some categories because they came out being like, hey guys, some games aren't eligible for some categories because they came out to recently, right? That makes sense, people didn't get to them, right? So for best narrative, we got what Al and Wake and Spider-Man 2 up.

Starting point is 00:12:56 But then when you get to the PlayStation game, Spider-Man 2 is disqualified because it's too new. Wait, what? You see, this is bad. This is the shit that I just, I hate. Like, what are those arbitrary metrics? No one could figure out something that came out two seconds ago, now valid, no longer valid.

Starting point is 00:13:17 Yeah, no, it was, but it wasn't. Also, don't worry about it. So, yeah, no, it's incredible. Also, yes, streamers choice, but every single person, hey, I wanna know, we got a live audience right now and we'll, you're here, I would like to know if this is petty and shitty of me, and I'm an asshole, or if this is like a legitimate confusion,

Starting point is 00:13:42 because this is two times in my life that I found this out. They go to the streamer's choice awards for the biggest streamers of this year. And I look at them and I go, I don't know who these people are. And that's fine. You don't know a lot of people in the industry, right? But then you start Googling a couple of them and you're like,

Starting point is 00:14:00 I have more people in my fucking show right now than some of these folks do ever. So what the fuck, what the fuck metric is this? Like let's take Vinny for example. Vinny's huge, Vinny's incredible. Vinny Vinesauce, one of the best streamers ever been ever, right? I've never seen anybody on any of these awards

Starting point is 00:14:20 that is better or more popular than Vinny ever. Looks ever Ironman, she got nominated for the TGA's. But like, I do, I don't get it. I know. I have no idea how it works. I've stopped trying to understand. I know that like the last time I tried to was when there was the fucking Quebec streamer bus stop ads. Which was, so that's the first time that happened.

Starting point is 00:14:50 That's, yeah. And the last time I tried to understand where, because I remember you and me standing in a bus stop looking at a guy who has like 6,000 subs on YouTube in 2015 or 16 or whatever it was. And just go, where's my bus stop ad? Come back. Yeah, and I think, again, I still don't understand,

Starting point is 00:15:13 you know, and maybe you just gotta know the right person or whatever the, whatever the, whatever the favorite cases and such. But no, there are, there are absolutely giant people. Yeah, Maximilian's out there with like a humongous follow-up. It's weird. I don't know. All I can really tell is that like from, I guess like in some cases talking and meeting

Starting point is 00:15:33 with some of the folks, there's a weird thing where the people that watch our stuff have an insanely high like retention rate compared to other. Everyone listening to this podcast is better than people who listen to other podcasts. So it's weird because, yeah, despite the fact that my fucking sub-numbers were capped out practically on YouTube with everything, the algorithm's doing. It also has a overall larger percentage of people checking out things and sticking around on a regular basis than others with larger pops do,

Starting point is 00:16:13 which is, I don't understand how and why that works, but I mean, I think it's just holdover, right? Ultimately, but yeah, it's unclear, it's unclear. I know that channels that are massive and dedicated towards one subject matter or one game or one thing will often have like a pretty inflated initial appearance and then when there's not a lot to talk about

Starting point is 00:16:42 with the one given subject, things kind of drop off in a way. And then there's other times where it's like, people are there for the subject as opposed to the personality. So I don't know. I don't know, but 100% consistency on the most of the names they get dropped,

Starting point is 00:16:57 I don't recognize certain way. It blows me away. So now we can move on to the game awards. And the game awards, now we can just get mad at categories like we do every year because they're the worst they're the fucking worst. Um, hey man, it, well, this has been a really great game year, right? This has been like astonishing, right? Yeah. So would you say that in the entirety of the game awards, you should see maybe more than like 12 games. That would be a good idea for the...

Starting point is 00:17:25 It is like, dude, Alan Wake and Baldur's Gate 3 are like up for eight awards each. And like, it's just, it's the same games in every single category. It's... So the ongoing game category, I don't know if that was there when that was invented. It has, yeah, it's been there.

Starting point is 00:17:48 Okay. That feels like a good way to just be like, here's all the things the games that never stop and put the whole thing on the side. But maybe I'm out of touch with the eSports. But the best eSports category this year is the same games that it was in last year, and I think the last year before that. And it's like esports seems like a really stagnant category

Starting point is 00:18:21 if it's the same ones over and over and over. if it's the same ones over and over and over. Is there a sort of like, do you have to apply and then go through a series of qualifiers to be even considered? Is it one of those things where like, you might end up on this list if you just filled out the forms, you know? Like, I know.

Starting point is 00:18:42 Okay. I will say that this, they're like, Chris Wolfhardt on Twitter really nailed it, which is like they feel bad for Microsoft because it would be nice. So sorry, I feel this is an upper game of the year. And that means that Microsoft has not had a game of the year nominee at the game awards ever.

Starting point is 00:19:08 Like ever. Oh, ever? Like, not once. And it's like, oh, I guess, but like, what would it be then, you know, hello, the gears of war, gears of war, or hello, and those years back in the day, they could have fucking back in the day swept it. I guess the question is what came out at the time, right? This is a raging bull situation, you know.

Starting point is 00:19:34 Also, maybe I'm out of it. I'm playing Super Mario Wonder. I think you've played Super Mario Wonder also. Yeah. It's for like five categories and I'm like, uh, it's an awesome Mario game. It's very good. It's up for like five categories and I'm like, it's an awesome Mario game, it's very good. It's very good. Like, yeah, I don't know, man.

Starting point is 00:19:51 Video game awards have never been worse and I'm here for it. Wolley and I are having opposite reactions to the same thing. Well, I think it's the same reaction actually. But I think it's the same reaction in opposite ways, all of us. Okay, yeah, it's the same reaction, but the emotional content of that reaction is in opposition. Sometimes I don't feel like smelling the dumpster fire. Sometimes the whip is trash.

Starting point is 00:20:24 Sometimes the whip is too strong. So we talked about it back in January or maybe it was February. I'm not sure when you got to it. High-Fi Rush is absolutely being snubbed because it came out in January. And it's not, it didn't cost a shit, $1,000,000. Like, High-fi rush should absolutely be

Starting point is 00:20:47 in the game of the year contention. It is still, like, oh my God, it's so incredible. So it didn't even win best audio at the Golden Joysticks because FF16 won it because of fan voting. You know, for as much as I think the game critics and their ivory tower are a bunch of out of touch freaks, I think that's still a better solution than pure fan voting. So I'm looking here, a high five got what?

Starting point is 00:21:20 It got art direction, it got score and music and audio design. Yeah, which it this is at game awards at Gold Joysticks. It lost audio, which was only one category to 16. Okay. And accessibility. Yeah, fair. Okay. The only person who should do the top 10 is me. Also, you have good taste too. But I feel like every year the VGA's is really,

Starting point is 00:21:48 it is the same 10 games just over and over again. Like it does. It feels like that constantly. Like, I don't get it. Like, game, maybe I'm crazy. I don't know. But you shouldn't, like the only thing that you have control with,

Starting point is 00:22:04 if you're gonna fan vote it or critical vote it. So the only thing that you have control with, if you're going to have fan voted or critical voted. So the only thing the organizer has control with is what is essentially the seeding, the nominations, right? Go, okay, well, I want, we can nominate this, we can nominate that. And they have to be reasonable, right? But you shouldn't stack up the way the nominations work in a way that one thing can win like five categories in a row for what is essentially the same award. Yeah, it's like I know that there's like plausible deniability if it's like, well, hi, Fire Rush is a great game and it does have sound as it's main thing. So that's going to be it's going to come back in that category. And if there's a game that is firing on all cylinders and is exceptional in multiple different ways, you can understand that.

Starting point is 00:22:52 But like, when it looks, when you just scroll down the list and it ultimately feels like you have picked your 10, and this is the only things we're gonna really call out. There might be like one or two little occasional exceptions showing up here and there. It doesn't really feel like much of a choice, you know? Also, there's a, there's, there's race and see bias, which I think everybody at course stands, but if you don't, race and see bias is the thing that's closer

Starting point is 00:23:16 to the time you make the decision is more forefront in your mind. But like, I feel like this year, more than any other year ever, like budget bias is, is like out of control quadruple way of like stuff like Stuff like high-fi rush like dredge dredge is incredible Dredge should be up for a bunch of awards. It's amazing, but it's you know, it's not you know

Starting point is 00:23:42 The most big budget triple- A action game that everybody played. It got, it's in for debut indie and... Hi, if I rushes up for debut indie? No, a dredge. And I think that's it. I remember one of the games on that list is not the debut indie for that studio. It's just extra funny. I think it's cocoon. Okay. They released games before. Yeah. Um, you know what?

Starting point is 00:24:14 I'm going to have my own game of the year awards. And the only person who's going to vote for them is me. Pizza tower is also debut indeed. Yeah. Um, Pizza towers also debut indeed. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Again, I just, I like rather than try to sift into the waters and see if you can understand what you're looking at here. I just, I'm just like, I, all of this, all of this shit just, it just plugs me. You know, anyway. so when's the actual show then? December 7th. God, that's coming up pretty soon.

Starting point is 00:24:50 Okay. Oh, I was just informed. Two of the debut indie nominations had were also nominated for Best Indie, which means one of them will automatically win debut. Yeah, Okay, oh, scroll. Yeah, I don't know. And then I feel like there's always like I remember how like things would get with Oscars back in the day How it was like if if this gets picked over here, then is this second one over here gonna to actually be like a

Starting point is 00:25:26 consolation prize slash, you know, we're not going to give you all the things. We'll let you get two or three tops and then make sure it's anyway, whatever. It's a fucking mess. Sure, I suppose tuning into the actual award show is necessary. Well, if you watch the actual award show, you might get to see the chick razor hydro bot. Oh, fuck. Or bloodborne. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:25:53 What about silk song? What are the odds of that? Paige said that to me this morning, and I was like, fuck, just shut up. I can't, you know, it's unbelievable that silk song was in that that highlight reel of like games that will all come out one year from now. And then team cherry had to come out on Twitter and be like, by the way, it's not going to come out one year after that that sizzle, very sorry. Mm-hmm. And it's like, holy shit. Is that game even real?

Starting point is 00:26:28 I, it's, it's, it's a team that works like too hard for their own good. And like, this is, I guess, just what happens when you, when you, I bet it's been done for years. Done according to like, St. Metrix or... Yeah, St. Metrix. Cherry Metrix. Because, you know, it was again,

Starting point is 00:26:50 it was also going to be free DLC. Like, the whole thing is nuts. Yeah, and, you know, there's certainly a story to be told about the work ethic there and the way they view content creation and the way they view, creation and the way they view the finish line. But I doubt it's a matter of bug cleanup. I suspect it's probably just like things like feature creep

Starting point is 00:27:17 and just wanting that polish to be. No, you don't. I'm a question. Maybe they're being attacked by locusts and snakes at all times. And that's why developer, because they are from Australia, or rather they are in Australia. You know, who knows? A giant spider has destroyed the hard drive with the latest build on it.

Starting point is 00:27:39 You know, it's a bit of an aside. I think, so video game genres are awful. We can all agree that they're awful. They don't make any sense. They're contradictory. No one can agree on them, right? Action adventure game. Yeah, action terrible, right?

Starting point is 00:27:55 But I think we can all agree that the RPG genre for award purposes is the worst genre description of all time. Like, like, you know how Seafood was rated as a fighting game. Yeah. That was ridiculous. Yeah. Every single year for every batch of awards, the RPG category includes games that are very obviously not RPGs to like anyone new with a brain. Yeah, so like I feel like the category should just be renamed best game with level up numbers. It's like, it's so ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:28:35 Is it, is it anything beyond the concept of this game has level up numbers in it? Like that seems to be a, is an RPG? Does that mean armored core is an RPG? Or else like it's ridiculous. It's silly When you hit things in battle Fantasia damage numbers pop off that's what that means battle Fantasia's an RPG Hard confirm All right, what's going on? Oh Hard confirmed.

Starting point is 00:29:04 All right, so what's going on? What's going on with me? Well, last night the baby fell asleep at around seven o'clock and I looked over at the wife and I said, we have time to watch one thing before baby wake back up and then we got a handle baby and then we got to do the nightly ritual. So we watched an episode of that Pluto, yeah, which was one hour long,

Starting point is 00:29:32 really weird, still very strange way to put out an episode of a anime. Wow, that is something else. That is incredible. Yeah. And one episode, one volume of the manga. Wow, that is something else. That is incredible. Yeah. And one episode, one volume of the manga. Yeah, and I was sitting there and I was watching it

Starting point is 00:29:50 and I was watching it and I was like, oh man, oh God, I don't know who any of these people are. Who is that? I should pull out my phone and look, no, no. And I didn't. And you know what, I got to that end of that episode, woolly. And I was like, that was a good episode.

Starting point is 00:30:10 I figured it out. Nice. Nice. Good, good, good. Yeah. Yeah, what's really strange and people who played Lies of P and watched Pluto? There is a character from Lies of P that is in Pluto down to the pose

Starting point is 00:30:33 Okay Like like like like and the eye coming out and oh Oh, interesting like that like it is exactly the same and I'm like, this is interesting. Like it is exactly the same. And I'm like, this must be pulling from the same source material. Uh, you'd be surprised actually, but the, so there's a brow like, huh? They're like, well for me, when I saw a brow, I was like, oh, it's the King of Riddles.

Starting point is 00:31:04 Okay, okay. And I'm like, oh, it's the King of Riddles. Okay. And I'm like, it's exactly the same. I mean, that's a cool. The destroyed character that just talks from a body that can't move is always a cool archetype. I like that. But yeah, no, incredible. And, um, boy, this just feels like monster in the future.

Starting point is 00:31:29 Like the Ursula was style is so overwhelmingly his. Mm-hmm. If that makes any sense, um, that it's, it's, it's incredible. I love it. It's great. Oh, it. It's great. Oh, I see.

Starting point is 00:31:47 Okay. Lies of P, yay. Lies of P referencing the manga. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be a big sense, for sure. Cause I sat down thinking I was gonna watch a robot murder mystery, but instead we spent the vast majority of the first episode being like, can a sad robot play the piano?

Starting point is 00:32:09 Piano! Right? And the answer is maybe, maybe a sad robot can play the piano. Number two, baby. I told you, it's just like, and it's almost again, it's like, did, did, I press skip episode? What happened here? No, this is the story that matters. Fantastic. Yeah, I think it's a fun debut to that world that takes its time to deliver this side and this story.

Starting point is 00:32:38 And then you're like, meanwhile, here's your fucking, here's your Bruce Willis, here's your, here's your Decker, you know. I think, I think they really went, you know, you're entering into what is to most people like for me, a new setting, right? And robots are everywhere and people are co-existing happily with the robots and Then they do a really good job of not like because it would be so easy To just show a bunch of people at a protest going robots bad like I don't know Detroit Right or have the robots be at the fucking back of the bus or whatever the fuck

Starting point is 00:33:21 Right and just be the most hacks shit ever. Yeah But instead all you really like all this is like there's a guy who is a back at the bus or whatever the fuck, and just be the most hack shit ever. Yep. But instead all you really, like all those areas, like there's a guy who is a robot's rights activist, that that's a thing at all. And, hey, this is the dead cop robot, and he's just garbage. You're just gonna throw his fucking corpse in the trash.

Starting point is 00:33:43 Right? Cause who gives a fuck? It's scrap. And it's like, oh, it sucks. Yeah, sucks to be a robot in Asterovoid's future. I love the idea of a classroom with Asimov as the teacher and then like a bunch of students in the, you know, like Yoko Tarou and Erasawa and all these people just in the classroom. And then David Cage in the, you know, like Yoko Taro and, and Risa went all these people just in the classroom, and then David Cage in the corner with the DUNCE cap on, facing the wall. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Pluto is incredible, excited, excited to get back to it.

Starting point is 00:34:28 Not what I thought I was sitting down to watch. In fact, I would say it's like the complete opposite of what I thought I was going to sit down to watch. But I'm good for it. Very exciting. I love it. It is amazing. Oh, no, I'll just get like, is it?

Starting point is 00:34:46 No, I'll just get like, yeah, you've, again, it's having seen monster, you already have a flavor for the way his stories are told and stuff. And like, is it just a very like kind of like, refreshingly like simple way to go about things? Like it feels as if, again, like this is a, this is animation being used To tell this story, but you could almost feel like he wanted like a live action

Starting point is 00:35:12 Yeah, I remember that was my takeaway when I finished watching monster Was that my there's absolutely nothing in the way of adaptation. He is writing a manga panel as if it was the storyboard for a directed film. Super good. Let's see. What else I do? I rebeat Alan Wake 1 in preparation for Alan Wake 2. Really fun game that really just has one gimmick and that gimmick is my name's Alan Rueck and I'm a writer and you find little pages. Though it did remind me of something that it's always fun to see people who don't know where I played the DLCs, which is the signal and the writer,

Starting point is 00:36:03 which came much later. They came months after the original game, and I forget how much they cost. I won't say they cost like 10 bucks, but I can't remember. Somebody could fact check me. And I sat down and I'm like, you know, I remember the signal being incredibly disappointing because it came out months and months later and I beat it in about 70 minutes. So then we streamed the signal and I beat it in exactly 70 minutes. And I was like,

Starting point is 00:36:36 oh, and then I played the writer, which was better in which I beat in like an hour and 20 minutes. And the price that DLC was $7. So it would have been 10 for Canadians. And people were like, is this what DLC was like back in the olden days? It's like, yeah, Billy, back in that early 360 era,

Starting point is 00:37:04 DLC was like the shittiest fucking prospect. It was like, here's 10 bucks for half of a level six months later in those olden days, but not to your days beyond, right? Because my first understanding and comparison point for DLC is brute warsal Wars expansion pack idea. That's right. Wasn't DLC. I know. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:29 Same thing. Right. Alerts. Obviously. Right. It's not. It's an expansion pack. It's it's it's it's the DLC starts at the Xbox 360.

Starting point is 00:37:37 But the seventh generation. No, I that might my the the the the feeling at the time was like, okay, you need mech warrior to install in order to install Ghostbear's legacy. Right. I might be the feeling at the time was like, okay, you need McWore, you're too installed in order to install Ghostbear's Legacy, right? You need Starcraft II to get Brewer's and or come in and get the Red Alert. But yeah, no, man, that shit was assed back in the day. It's trash, embarrassing.

Starting point is 00:38:00 That being said. Yeah, I always want to really good. This is a good game, I like it. I also have a clarity, sorry, what's that? I saw a meme, but I couldn't click on it. It was like Alan Wake on Eric Andre or something. Oh, you know what it is? So Alan Wake too has segments

Starting point is 00:38:20 in which he is trapped in a nightmare talk show. Okay. And they have literally just Photoshop cut him out. segments in which he is trapped in a nightmare talk show. Okay. And they have just, they've literally just Photoshop cut him out and just placed him next to Eric. Going nightmare, nightmare, nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. Okay. But, so I have clarity on the situation with Alan Wake and

Starting point is 00:38:47 Quantum break and all that shit. Remedy owns Alan Wake. Remedy owns control. Remedy does not own next pain. And Remedy does not own quantum break. and Remedy does not own Quantum Break. Oh, they don't own Quantum Break. No, Microsoft owns Quantum Break. Hmm.

Starting point is 00:39:12 So when you're going into Alan Wake 2, there's stuff that they can reference for real and then there's stuff they can, ah, maybe, come. But of those two, do you know who Max Payne is? Will, are you familiar with the character that is Max Payne? As in the character of the books that he's writing. Yeah, then you're good. Yeah, okay. Right, so yeah, all that, and like,

Starting point is 00:39:44 I've spoken to some people who have played the games, all of them. And it's like, do you know what the federal bureau of control is? So in order to, if so, you're good. In order to actually like make this work, it would have to be like a three way super deal with Microsoft on board as well as take two or yeah, it would not rock star, whatever, I don't know. Yeah, they're kind of worth it. But yeah, I'll make one good. I'm gonna play American Nightmare this week, which is an Xbox live arcade game.

Starting point is 00:40:20 Concept, I will have to re-explain to parts of the audience, which is ex-plaw. Better than ex-plaw. Remember, remember, oh, what ex-plaw game is it gonna be this week? Because for some reason it was fun to not know the release dates of shit. Is it going to be isometric for player character running around with, or is it gonna be super turbo? Yeah. Which is just how like everything that just like it looks, what the fuck was it called?

Starting point is 00:40:50 Is it just gonna be a fusion frenzy type, you know? Yeah. I also got a sponsor stream, like money sponsored. So keep that in mind as I talk about a gang. For like a dragon guide and the man who erased his name. Um, surprised to get a sponsorship for a game I was obviously going to play anyway, but hey, oh, thanks. There you go.

Starting point is 00:41:14 Um, that's a weird fucking game. That's a weird fucking game. Um, it is, it is not a full like a dragon game. It is a significantly reduced price because it is about half the length. Like the eye, there's 24 substories instead of 100. There's five chapters instead of 12. Is there any part of it that is attempting to be sold to anyone who doesn't know what's currently going on in that storyline? So not only is it not doing that, it is banking on you having played games from 15 years

Starting point is 00:42:04 ago for emotional punches. is banking on you having played games from 15 years ago for emotional punches. Okay. Okay, because, okay, I'll give you a really good example. You go to the Colosseum and part, oh, no, I gotta go to the Colosseum and fight dudes because of the drama. And you walk in and they're going,

Starting point is 00:42:20 this, this, this three part battle will be a historical rendition of famous events in Yakuza history. And the fight is you and a bunch of goons versus fake Kieru who re-enacts the intro to the first game where he goes, if you want to die, step the fuck up. Okay. And then the follow up fight is against the villain of Yakuza 2, where you also have to fight the tigers. And Kieru's like, that's not how that fight went, dude.

Starting point is 00:42:58 Come on. A bunch of the sub stories are dealing with characters from like 10 plus years ago. And like it, it really wants you. It's like a, Hey, it's like a greatest hits almost. Right. And I, I'm assuming, but maybe I'm wrong here and that the gameplay is also a, like, here's how we return to like not dragging quest combat, but like action

Starting point is 00:43:23 combat. Yeah. The, the, the, the, the combat like action combat. Yeah, the combat is... I think that's the next level that they would... The combat is really interesting in that you have Yakuza style, which is the style that care you has. It's the fucking, one hand up, one hand down. The same shit as always.

Starting point is 00:43:40 You also have Agent Style, which he learned when erasing his name Agent style is Okay, so you know how these games have always existed in what I'm gonna call pseudo reality Like they look like they're in the real world, but they're obviously not This game has fully transformed into pop-I, or like one piece cartoon shit. Okay, I mean, that feels like what I've seen. So, I'll give you the Spikes with fists. Well, no, no, no, no, Kieru has a watch on his wrist

Starting point is 00:44:22 that shoots out energy web lines that throw people around the environment. And he puts his hand up to his ear to summon his faithful drone hornet. And when you summon a hornet, you're actually summoning up to like 40 hornets. So the entire screen becomes filled with with with consumer drones that are just attacking enemies. You're lighting your cigarettes to throw them

Starting point is 00:44:51 as cigarette bombs. But my personal favorite, the one that has fully left reality is that Kieru gets jet boots. And he puts up his dukes and starts sliding around like like shadow the hedgehog Okay, like reality has gone is gone. It's the cut scene. We mentioned has breached into gameplay. Yeah, no, it's it's It is It is absolutely fucking Gonzo shit Absolutely fucking Gonzo shit.

Starting point is 00:45:28 But the, one of the most interesting things about the story, I don't know if you've heard anything about infinite wealth, but there's some story developments that are gonna be happening with Kiryu in infinite wealth. And so infinite wealth was being made, and then they were gonna make Guide N DLC for seven. And they were like, noideN DLC for seven. And they were like, no, let's spin it off into its whole game.

Starting point is 00:45:47 So Guide, Manu race's name is absolutely designed as a lead in to infinite wealth with Ichibon and Kieru. Right, right, right. And as a result, over and over and over in cutscenes, Kieru's like, man, I'm really annoyed that everyone is stopping me from smoking. I love cigarettes. I need to go buy more cigarettes.

Starting point is 00:46:17 I need to give gifts of cigarettes to my friends. I have new heat moves associated with loving, delicious, delicious cigarettes. Mm. So like he's always smoked historically, but like you're coming out of cutscenes and it's carrying you in a corner, smoking his cigarettes.

Starting point is 00:46:42 It's carrying you wanting to get somewhere so he can get to somewhere he can use cigarettes. It's care you wanting to get somewhere so he can get to somewhere he can use cigarettes. And he's just like, God, I love cigarettes so much. They're so delicious. Do you think Negoshi has something to say about the way the world is going? No, actually, Negoshi's gone. Oh, I didn't know.

Starting point is 00:47:03 Okay. No, it's, it's a, it's, I love cigarettes. I just, okay, I love my, I love my, I love my smokes. And I sure hope there's no reason why I'll be downgraded in power to being a regular party member one game from now. I see. The weirdest part by far far, out of like a dragon guide end, is that I thought it took place like before or after seven. It's taking place simultaneously.

Starting point is 00:47:38 Oh, yeah, it's not like prequel to... No, like the exact second simultaneously. So like when you get into a big fight right next to the Yokohama homeless encampment and cure you needs to wash the blow off his face and you're like, sorry, noble homeless. I don't mean to take up your wash basin. I just got beat up.

Starting point is 00:48:00 And they're like, that's weird. Lots of guys are getting beat up. There's a guy like that tent right now recovering from a gunshot wound. Oh, don't go over there though. Over there though, you'll wake him up. Oh shit. Oh shit. Okay. Okay. Like like like like exactly exactly which means I'm going to assume that we're gonna have the boss fight in reverse. Huh. Well, also you get to use assets and not fucking cash. Yeah, you get to cash.

Starting point is 00:48:33 Well, you go back to Sutton Bore again so you're doing the Osaka map, but you always write in that tent over there. That's great. Yeah, dude, it's ridiculous. Nice. Yeah, it's fun. It's a. It's it's a little bite-sized Like a dragon game. I really like it. It is

Starting point is 00:48:53 It is a little slow in the middle. I've noticed I I've hit the point of the story in which they've kind of run out of the actual plot to do so they're hitting me with Yo, you got to get really good at the Colosseum and you got a fucking, you got to find out who's behind it. So you got, you know, that kind of bit that's always in the middle of them. So for being in the middle, so I don't have a ton of experience. Cause like I said, I, you know, zero is the most I've played and then three through testing. But when you're playing zero, you're switching back and forth between characters and like that is filling time and you know doing different plot things or so. In the average

Starting point is 00:49:35 other yak is a game, you're just curious. The whole thing. Most of it. So in one, two and three,'re just carrying you. In four, you have four playable characters. They go from one to four. Oh, fuck, okay. In five, you have four. In six, you're back to one. Okay. And then in zero, you have two.

Starting point is 00:50:01 Wait, you're five and five? I can't even remember. But yeah, no, they did at some point, they were like, no, let's mix it up, have a lot of characters. Yeah, yeah. So here, you're just like, we're doing what Kira you was up to and during this time frame, yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:16 I will say, oh yeah, Haruka, I forgot. I used to play as Haruka in five. I literally completely forgot about that. One thing that I will say, so the game's big side thing is the Colosseum. Like, is the fighting Colosseum? That's in every game. But the difference here is that you're recruiting boys

Starting point is 00:50:37 for your hell team rumble, so you're having big group fights. Good name. But every guy that you recruit is playable. Okay. In that mode. In that mode. Yeah. Yeah. And just for funzies, they finally let you customize the way Kierryu looks. So I have him in a hideous purple snake skin suit with the fucking 3D glasses from his rapper karaoke video. That sounds incredible. He looks like such a piece of shit. Trip.

Starting point is 00:51:13 Um. Such a piece of shit. Yeah, it's fun, man. It's a fun, it's a fun like a dragon game. Cool, cool. I like it. Yeah, I like the idea that they're like, they can go back to, hey, we didn't forget how to do action combat as well. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:33 That's dope. What else? What else? Did I fucking lose fucking wing? I'm like Pluto, Gaiden, Golden Joystick. That's pretty much it. Oh, I forgot to mention. Mike, Pluto, Guyden, Golden Joystick. That's pretty much it. Oh, I forgot to mention, very quick.

Starting point is 00:51:51 Two weeks ago, me and Paige watched the last airbender which she had never seen before. The live action. The oh yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. And so it says a lot that my wife Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, okay, and So it says a lot that my wife who loves shitty movies love shitty movies

Starting point is 00:52:14 Just afterwards was like wow that was a piece of shit and Yeah, it was all the conversation that we had about it. I mean, I'm like I don't know what kind of hatred or anger you had to take out that day. So to unleash that shit. What this was was that we constantly argue about what the worst movie is, but we have never seen each other's worst movies.

Starting point is 00:52:43 Hmm, okay. So every now and then this escalates to the point where we go, all right, we're doing it, we're sitting down, we're gonna see which movies the worst. I mean, I told you about the legendary fucking cheesecake movie night from years ago, but that I'm sure has been surpassed by now. But I did a marathon of Moriah Carey's glitter.

Starting point is 00:53:11 Madonna swept away. Bruce Willis is Hudson Hawk and Awful is what it is. Just got Awful. And some people be like, no, I remember being fun in my childhood. It's fucking garbage. And we capped it off from Justin Tekeli an American Idol movie. Oh man. And that was all in one night.

Starting point is 00:53:35 And it was back when you had to go to the video store to ret shit and we went to the video store. And as we put them down on the counter, the person like beeping them out was like making faces and then by the third we're like, I see what's going on here. We're like, yeah. Yeah, no, you're watching trash from good luck.

Starting point is 00:53:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, let's see. Oh yeah, the only other thing that I have to talk about is that I've made the decision to stop playing Baldur's Gate 3 on stream. Whoa! It's too big. Act 3?

Starting point is 00:54:10 It's too big. I did a lot of soul searching and a lot of shitting with people and I'm like, how much more Baldur's Gate 3 is there? Uh-huh. How much more Baldur's Gate 3 is there? Uh huh. And the answer is, almost as much as I've done so far. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Like, like 40%. And it's all very good.

Starting point is 00:54:36 It's all very good. But the main thing is that, so I have not played that game on streaming in four weeks. OK. And what was happening is something new would happen thing is that so I have not played that game on streaming for weeks. Okay. And what was happening is something new would happen or some interesting thing would come to my attention and I would go, you know, I could just move Baldur's Gate. I'll just get to that next week.

Starting point is 00:54:56 And I did that four weeks in a row and was like, like, like I'm sitting there sitting there looking at my schedule and about to put it on and I'm like, I give like a sigh. You know that you know most of the exact feeling I'm describing and what you're not describing is I wanna fucking play this game and I wanna know what's happening next. So, like, dude, I went and ran some math. There's math here.

Starting point is 00:55:28 And the math was I'm like, after I'd made the decision, I'm like, let's go and look at the pillars of eternity LP that I did really early in my channel. And let's see how many streams that was and how long it took. And the answer was, it was 17 streams at 79.5 hours. And I did pillars of attorney, and I did both of its DLCs, and I read every single line of dialogue in that game. Then I went over and looked at my Baldur's Gate 3 playlist, which was 16 videos and 79.5 hours with 40% of the game to go.

Starting point is 00:56:10 Okay. And I'm like, I can't. Sometimes. Maintain excitement through February. Sometimes you're allowed to say, me though. Sometimes you're allowed to say me though. Sometimes you're allowed to say that. I'm gonna start over. That's where I'm at actually.

Starting point is 00:56:30 Like I'm gonna shelve it for months. And then I'm gonna start the fuck over. Like. Interesting. Interesting. I mean, huh. Um, oh, sorry, what's second? Durabo.

Starting point is 00:56:53 Excuse me, right? So you know what the absolute, like, second that I had it in my gut, that was like, uh-oh, for the future of that game on my channel? I'm like, well, I swapped in a starring into the party at the end of my last stream that I did. So before I do the next session, I need to go into the camp and I need to, you know, go into the stash and get the equipment that I want from them. Maybe respect them because I haven't used them in a while

Starting point is 00:57:25 and they changed some things and patches. And every time I sat down to do that, I went, oh. Oh. You know what, I'll just do that tomorrow. And I did that for like 25 days in a row. Okay, okay. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:45 So I mean, something that I enjoyed doing that like I tested out was in Elden Ring, the catch-up sessions, right? And it's not the perfect solution for every type of game, especially something as discussion and narrative heavy as this, but the ability to come back in and at the beginning of each session, I would just have a clip of a couple moments

Starting point is 00:58:10 that mattered in the PlayStation clips that I recorded to just be like, here's what you missed in the off time. Now that totally works for Elden Ring. Cause yeah, Elden Ring has a lot of chill down time. And it's not about dialogue, it's about just finding things and moving through the world. Yeah, so yeah, no, it's like, man, if an Elden Ring, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:58:39 Elden Ring kept my attention, like my excitement, like, ah, like for the vast majority of it. I only started to like lose steam in my heart for Elden Ring. Once I had entered the second half of like the fucking hills of the giants in the ice area, I skipped two of the micro dungeons at the end to get to the, the, the, the, the Pharma Zulla. Yeah, right. And that was it. And I'm seeing someone to the, the, it, you know.

Starting point is 00:59:26 But it's the type of thing that I would do again for certain games, you know, especially ones where like games like this, I feel it's tricky because yeah, I'm sure talking to a lot of people you must have consulted and had a bunch of different takes on it. The version of a bunch of people who had beaten the game to get a, like, okay, how much is left? How much is left? How much is left?

Starting point is 00:59:50 And then I ran the math and it was like, at least 10 more streams. And I'm like, I don't have the excitement for 10 more streams in my guts. So for me, I think the way I would probably, like the only solution I could come up with that I would consider would be like having, like, playing off screen, jumping back on screen, and then basically almost having somebody who's already gone there to tell you you should

Starting point is 01:00:18 stop right here and start the next stream here, you know. So like the moments that are the best ones, you can still do live while. Yeah, so I considered variations of that. I'm like, what if I just did like a highlight thing, like like the way you did Eldon Ring and then I'm like, no, because audience participation in the choices is like a narrative choices is like a large proportion you right? Okay fair enough. And then the other thing is like Like the the the Baldur's Gate 3 is the most intense dude. No, did you know underneath that barrel is 45 more hours of content? Like like hey, did you know if you jumped down this unnamed hole,

Starting point is 01:01:07 you'll find an incredible side quest with a bunch of murderous fish people? I mean, I jumped down a hole and found the spiders. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, absolutely. Okay, fair enough. I just worked shopped it and just couldn't figure out a way and I'm just like looking at the schedule and I'm looking at like,

Starting point is 01:01:29 I'm seeing you and Paige play, Slay the Princess. And I'm like, God, I wish I had spots in my week to play Slay the Princess, right? I'm seeing Paige Hop on Class of 09, which you might want to take a look at, that's just crazy. I'm seeing Alan Wake that I want to dive into. I see fucking, I want to do a one-off stream of that star ocean game that I have never had

Starting point is 01:01:54 time to fill it, put in my schedule. Like this just, ah, and then I look at Baldur's Gate 3 on my schedule, and go, it's, it's, I remember, oh my God, this is gonna be an incredibly weirdly dated reference. I remember a million years ago, watching the Rosie O'Donnell show with my mom. Okay, and she had, I forget who she had on the show, it doesn't matter, but she was saying, here's the tip to lose weight.

Starting point is 01:02:27 When you're eating your food and you look at your plate and sigh, stop eating. And Rosie went, I don't think that's going to work because that doesn't happen to me. Ha ha. Waka waka. And I kind of actually remember that and feel not about food, but like if I'm playing a game and when I go to sit down to play it, I sigh and go, all right, here we go, fine. Maybe that's, maybe I'm not having the fun with it that I should be.

Starting point is 01:03:01 FYI that advice is terrible, that is stupid, that doesn't work because that's not universal, and what you should do is slow down so that your body gets the 15 units it takes for your brain signals to receive it to your full. Anyways, yeah. It's terrible advice. Don't listen to Rose. That's a lot of for advice.

Starting point is 01:03:17 That feeling, that feeling though. Yeah, and here's the thing. I have that, so I have that inversions of like, like, oh, will you versus is becoming the Forever RPG channel. You know, when it's like, I'm trying to like race to the finish of certain things. And you know, again, enter up 9 to do 16. It was super worth it. I enjoyed it. And it was great. But it does go past that eight week,

Starting point is 01:03:41 eight week, we give a fuck window, you know. After about that period of time, no fucks are given anymore. But I'm like, yeah, it's, again, it's the best you can do with what you got. And I think opening that space up has allowed for other little things like thirsty suitors and some other shit I checked out, you know. So it's not a perfect solution, but I feel like I really should say. The fucking game is that like, I've played big RPGs on my channel. I've played CRPGs on my channel. Baldur's Gate 3 is so, like I expected it to be a really big game. I don't think I could have possibly reasonably expected it to be as large as it is.

Starting point is 01:04:24 It is so much larger than the other one. reasonably expected it to be as large as it is. It is so much larger than anything I have played on the channel. I checked the Mass Effect trilogy thing that a UNI did. And it's like, that was like 30 streams of mine. But I think BG3 might be like as large or larger, despite being one game instead of three. It is, it is. Yeah, well, it's the game that's meant to be consumed

Starting point is 01:05:01 in the way that you consume like a game like FF 14 almost. Like it's meant to be you Every day you get a couple hours in at night and you just push and push and push There was um, but there's infinite time you can dump in here, you know, there was a really incredible There was a really incredible comment in the thread that I was reading in which a gentleman was saying that in the time since Baldur's Gate 3 came out and he's been playing that and also playing D&D with his pals. He has gone through a full one to 10 campaign with his friends by meeting like that the fuck down. Yeah, and exactly and and I mean I I you know don't put any limits or markers on What I want to do with the short play games because I don't want to owe anybody anything

Starting point is 01:05:58 It's it's you know I play what I can and we see what we get to but in my brain act one is a nice marker you know? But I know that the co-op version of this is even more stunted as well. Like you're doing, you're having this problem, giving it your all on your own with a super long stream, you know? Like I think the funniest thing is

Starting point is 01:06:19 like Act One is incredibly long. Act One is like easily a full game. And then you get to Act Two and Act one is like easily a full game. And then you get to act two, and act two is like really short by comparison. You're like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm getting a feel for this. And then you get to act three, and you're like, okay, so it's gonna be like, what, like act two, and there's like,

Starting point is 01:06:35 nah, it's probably bigger than act one. I'm like, what? Okami three is the biggest one. Okami three is the biggest one. That can't, no, that that's no you can't do that Yeah, man, that's not allowed Hey, man, the rules are not for streamers the rules are like we are we we we have to make do with what we get But it it is not designed for this in mind

Starting point is 01:07:03 Nor should it be Fair enough that's a heavy decision, but I get it And of course the longer or two you want to wrap up what happens in the story You know it's gonna suck to be able to be like oh yeah, I know so much about it, but you're You can't get to that finishing line. So it's all you're almost more vulnerable to getting spoiled because you understand a most context. Oh, I've already been spoiled a bunch of details. I would have had to have beaten the game like three months ago or like in September to have avoided it.

Starting point is 01:07:39 Just the amount of people talking about Baldur's Gate 3 in the circles that I look at with my eyes has made huge proportions of it unavoidable. And the game's so damn big, it doesn't even really matter at the end of the day, but, you know. Okay. matter at the end of the day, but, you know, okay. You want to see all my stuff this week, though, go down to twitch.tv slash past airs at apologies to everybody who was very much enjoying that BG3 playthrough. I

Starting point is 01:08:23 really appreciate everybody being like, wow, Pat, your thing was great. Very sad. But there was a really funny interaction that I saw where people who had not played the game and were just watching my LP were like, I'm so depressed, which I appreciate that in a way. But the people who have beaten the game are like, yeah, like that's the reaction. I'm like, hey, I don't think I can stream all of Act 3. And then I talk to people who beat it, and they're like, no, I got it. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:53 Yeah. Damn. Like, it's a really, it's a really, really funny dichotomy. Except for the one psycho in the chat right now who's beating the game nine times. I see you, shut up, stop bringing that up's up with you this week? All right, so a couple things. Yeah, so might as well jump into the big one from the start. And hey, feelings, right? Yeah, feelings. How about how about how about other people are having feelings? Other people have had feelings.

Starting point is 01:09:50 Certainly. You know what's funny. All right. Yeah, somebody asked me last week, hey, are you guys ever going to talk about this? And I'm like, I'm never fucking going to talk about it. I'm gonna shit. Okay. Uh, no, I think I think I should because, you know, let me just put I should, because, you know,

Starting point is 01:10:06 let me just put up the barrier, the Kekke Genkai. You just need to feel your own feelings, bro. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Look, man, I don't need to get into any wars with anyone online. I don't want to thank you for taking this hit for me. You're a hero.

Starting point is 01:10:24 That's okay. No matter what you're about to say you're a hero To me deliberately disengage with with a lot of social media as much as I can to improve my quality of life And it's been working. However, I did finish attack on Titan Damn heroes on, oh boy. I, I so appreciate you doing this for us. You didn't have to do it. And maybe that was wrong of you to do. But I did.

Starting point is 01:11:02 I did. Hey, before we continue, I need to stop you. Because I don't have nearly as much to say. I think the way they have scheduled and released this show is maybe the worst I have ever seen. I think any other way the show could have been like released years long breaks, like filler, even would have been better than me looking at the phrase get ready for the final chapter part two Yeah

Starting point is 01:11:33 Part four part the part four of third art. Okay Boy every I'm sure people are gearing the fuck up, but, but, but just, but here's what like that division fucking sucks, and it's such a hype killer, and like the context, uh, especially was for me. because I've mentioned it from time to time. But I've deliberately not brought up attack on Titan throughout the course of the podcast that much on the channel that much. We talk about it a lot. Because I've been sick in the season one days, in the early days, and then it hit a point where I was like, oh my God, this is fucking amazing.

Starting point is 01:12:20 I love this so much. I don't want to, and I don't even want to risk engaging with anybody on this. Yeah, right? Follow me in my front. As long as it'll take. I've been gushing. Me and Punch Mom have been having tons of discussions

Starting point is 01:12:35 about this and going in and gushing with other people we know that are into it and just keeping that away from all of this to enjoy it for what it is because it's so fucking, it's so good, right? And there was, you know, there'd be things where people like, I hate when it got political. I'm like, no, I loved when it got political. And I'm like, oh, I hate what it's like, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 01:12:53 I'm way like like it, it, it, it, it, well, no, because the thing is that the, the show of a success, oh, you love a success, shit. No, because it goes, it goes from Shonen in season one right off the bat and it slowly graduates into a sanan show, right? And like that trickle, that very gradual thing where it ages up into that happens starting with like, yeah, there's a season of government and politics

Starting point is 01:13:25 and discussions and boardrooms and things like that that I saw some people giving shit to where I was just like, to me, I'm like, I love it so much. And I think I came back in to a couple of times we kind of came back into just go, man, the basement is so worth it, you know? As one of those bits.

Starting point is 01:13:44 So I guess seeing how they divided everything up and how it took so long and how it was so fucking cut and you cut the Swiss cheese bits into the final bit and then you take the final bit and you cut it. It's like, God damn it, man. This is excruciating. Because and the thing is that what was coming out was still so fucking high quality.

Starting point is 01:14:03 And the budget and the amazing quality animation and the music and the work and the production was all getting so, so fucking high that I'm like, I get it. They're taking their time, right? To make this thing as detailed as they possibly can. And it's fucking gorgeous. Like you can see that they're really did spare

Starting point is 01:14:24 no expense towards the end there I guess once I think as yeah map I took over right and then like they really got to a point where They kind of we're just gonna do is whatever we can to It's gonna take as long as it takes to make this look as pretty and as and sound as good as it does And they're gonna also add details to things and flesh things out in a way that is just I don't know, I just I love the lot of that. So I felt like impatient, but I am also like I get it taking their time with this and they don't want to rush it because of a rushed shittier version of this finale goes down.

Starting point is 01:15:02 It's going to be even worse, which well again, there's some comparison points to make. So that being said, I suppose I'm going to talk about Attack on Titans finale here. And if you don't want to hear about that or you're dodging those spoilers, I guess now it would be the time to tune out. Right? So hold on while I dramatically remove my headphones, only to put them right back on. So like right off the bat, I have to say that my feeling on the ending is super mixed and there's some shit that I loved and there's some shit that I hate.

Starting point is 01:15:55 And I remember right around the time when I started hearing about how the manga was wrapping up and how angry people were about that, that I was like, okay, I need to just go cold, dark, I need to not Catch any of that because I right around that time when the manga dropped and everyone was really upset about how it ended I caught that it was there were angry, but I didn't know why I was in the middle of like loving everything about this show and I still love so much about it and thoroughly enjoyed the attention to detail on a lot of things and how very few things are like planted in such a way where it means nothing and they go back and the way they're fucking, the way time is fucked within this was a very satisfying one I found.

Starting point is 01:16:41 Like when you're gonna do a time traveling story and fuck around with things like that. Here, I think there was maximal, holy shit moments of building out these characters that I thought was awesome. The way things wrap up in the anime is something where I look at how basically I'm like, Armin is unbelievable as a character, so good, and everything about how he plays through that ending with like what he's got, the cards he's dealt, plays out in a way that I'm like, damn, I really feel for you and I and I feel for everyone that has to put up with Aaron shit because I can't

Starting point is 01:17:33 believe how much of an asshole this fucker is. Aaron is it's an interesting version of events where you see Aaron as like the same thing that you apply to Star Lord where you're like Hey, remember that impatience from Guardians 2. Well here it is in endgame It's a little bit of that where it's like that same fucker. That's like oh, I'm just I'm I'm Through the I'm just I'm irrational. I'm just Bullheaded and I'm stubborn and I truly believe in the extremes extremes, and I will not take no for an answer, but then also it's from what I can understand, like Aaron's transition from being a problem to the problem.

Starting point is 01:18:13 Yeah, it's kind of insane, right? And I have no problem with a character becoming an asshole, revealing themselves to just not be able to fucking deal with it. Whatever reasons they get, I have no problem with that kind of thing happening ultimately. But what bothers me the most, I think, is just that the events unfolding, the way, again, the things the characters are doing, everything there checks out, it makes sense, we gotta go shut him down, we gotta go stop him, all that is there, Aaron's fucking lost and he's doing all this shit. But the ultimate conclusion is so depressing and hopeless and just feels bad and kind

Starting point is 01:19:03 of just cynical about things in a way that I'm like, oh man, that sucks for these characters that deserve better and fought, sacrificed and suffered for so much. And like, you know, obviously real life is not always a happy conclusion and not a happy ending. Certainly, you can tell stories like that if that's the ultimate point, if that's the ultimate purpose, I guess. But I just kind of like, this wasn't a case of like hitting the finale of berserk and like being like, oh, that made me feel bad.

Starting point is 01:19:40 Therefore, I hate it. Perseo of the anime. For, you know, when we think back to, you know, I remember having that argument with people where they're like, oh, this story sucks because it made me feel bad. It's not necessarily that. This is a story that is all about human suffering, and it's all about the similar discussions we've had about, like at what point do the tables turn and where should we consider vengeance complete and where should you, you know, what is righteous anger, you know, in murdering civilians and yadda yadda. And you're just kind of like, the thing with the thing

Starting point is 01:20:12 ultimately is just like, you're left at this point where you're like, okay, so no matter what happens here, like you're left with 20% of the population and a world where conflict still exists because of course it does because you're left with 20% of the population and a world where conflict still exists because of course it does because you're in the server. So to me, and if you were to, and Aaron were to have been successful in theory, there would have been more peace

Starting point is 01:20:35 by killing even more people is like, you know, it's really fun. That's fun. I'm gonna build a swallow. I don't know if this was on stream on one, like on my show, or if it was on the podcast last week, but I talked about how the themes

Starting point is 01:20:54 in the Leica Dragon games are occasionally off the chain insane, in which the theme of Yakuza 2, the whole question of that game is, should we have exterminated all of the foreigners, was letting some of them get away a mistake? And the game like struggles with it, like it really struggles. It does eventually say, no, that was wrong. But like it really goes back and forth on it. And so, and that's nuts.

Starting point is 01:21:35 And for Attack on Titan to have like this, like an incredibly similar takeaway. Like for me, I have not watched it. I've only gotten the cliff notes. But the idea that all of this shit happened Like, for me, I have not watched it. I've only gotten the cliff snouts. But the idea that all of this shit happened and you didn't even make anything better? It's like there's still war.

Starting point is 01:21:53 Are you kidding me? I mean, and again, it's not that you can fix people. You know what I mean? Like that doesn't have to be your take away certainly. But I guess I do just kind of wonder like, um, yeah, I guess I always, and this is a, you know, I say all this knowing I'm like, look, man, I'm sure there's the version of this where I'm like not being media literate enough or if someone is like, I disagree because you're not taking a certain angle into

Starting point is 01:22:20 account here. But just just in terms of how I felt, I was like, yeah, I just, I love the characters and I felt for them and everything they were going through and I felt that the more I got to see them hit a point of ultimate exhaustion, just the more I was bleeding for that. There's a moment where Armin is just yelling at himself on the ground. That is so fucking heavy and real and just good because he's just describing how much he hates himself for not being able to do anything at the moment at this point, this crucial time.

Starting point is 01:22:56 And it's like one of the best scenes in the entire fucking, like it's unbelievable. There's these moments that go down where when They want to like make someone feel so human my like my favorite scene, you know before this was like the the Reiner moment Back in the Reiner reveal back in like season two or three or so where like he just forgets What's side he's on and what's going on and it's just like it's such a human thing It's so fucking incredible and like this this story really shines at these moments, you know

Starting point is 01:23:30 And then for Aaron to be this this like just insane fuck up of a dumbass who self-admit that he's a dumbass And then gets confused with it and stuff and and I kind of went back and I remember too that like I was trying to understand I was like, but ultimately, like, there's so much of that ending that I thought was awesome as well, but I just, I kind of am like, is your ultimate take away of things like, of the people suck, were horrible and as long as we exist, war is gonna exist and we're gonna be shitty,

Starting point is 01:24:01 conflict all of that, you can't get over it. Oh man, they took out the fucking thank you for mass murderer line. But is there, is there going to be, before I lose my train of thought? But is there going to be a point of view that the creator has that is, again, just are you optimistic about how things go?

Starting point is 01:24:17 Or are you pessimistic about how things are gonna go? You know, I suppose. And what I remember hearing was that like the manga originally had that discussion between Aaron and Armin, the wave veger, without a lot, and there was a lot that was missing where when Armin was like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? And he just kind of, and apparently he just kind of goes, I don't know. And like that I can absolutely understand being like that is not a satisfying answer for a show that has had answers to everything so far and like incredibly satisfying ones at that, you know. And I think the anime like shows you a lot of that in them kind of visiting these places and having these moments of trying to, you know,

Starting point is 01:25:10 having a connection between these characters, but ultimately, it didn't feel, I think, well, the feeling people were describing in the mango is that it was almost like Armin was writing off the atrocities that Aaron was committing, whereas the feeling I got from what they did here and then the expanded dialogue in those moments felt like it was like Armin was kind of mourning his friendship with a friend that's lost. And I think that's the right way to play that. I think it's more appropriate to kind of look at it like, damn, there's no coming back for you and that fucking sucks. And this is just me feeling that out, you know, and I much prefer that kind of Take on it versus like no, maybe we can still which Mikasa has but yeah

Starting point is 01:25:57 I have a stupid question Because I'm not familiar with the the back half of attack on Titan because I'm not familiar with the the back half of attack on Titan. Aaron gets the ability to jump forward as himself in time and influence himself and influence his dad and do all sorts of zany shit. Does that mean that with the full control over like the ability to influence huge proportions of events over timelines, that this solution was still somehow the best solution he could come up with. So it kind of, you don't get clear, clear answers, but it does seem to kind of, it seems like what they're hinting at is almost like a a doctor strange looking into all the parallel universe

Starting point is 01:26:45 His type of thing where he's like no matter what I did this always happened and he even has a moment where he kind of underlines that like I even remember because the future in the past are all the same and appointing is like my head's all fucked up He's like I even remember influencing Deena to go after my mom, right? Like and that's the most fucked thing ever because it's like that's why I'm a father isn't it? That's that's why we're here and that's all and like and but like Bertolt needs to exist in order to Create the timeline so that arm and can get you just not do that. So that's the thing is like that part is not that part is kind of like

Starting point is 01:27:22 It seems like it feels as if the way he's describing things, you're like, oh, he kept seeing things stuck being the way they are and no matter what he changed, it always made that outcome, right? He looking at it, he's like, this is the best solution, I can see, but I also can't see anything else changing. So he's like, almost describing it, like I tried and there's nothing else I can do. But and then he's also like, but how do things end up this way? He has a whole moment of going like,

Starting point is 01:27:48 I guess I'm, I'm I just an idiot. I think the end things are this way because I just suck, right? I know. I need more clarity on this because there's, I'm having a lot of trouble. Can he change things in the past, yes or no? It's he can change things in the past and he can make things in the past and the future happen kind of, like he can make simultaneous things happen. But I think what he was saying is that with whatever changes he made, the outcome that they reach at the end

Starting point is 01:28:30 was always the same one. That's I think what. So why do you take the shittiest possible? I can't, I can't, I'm not in the position to. No, no, I'm not asking like you, Wolly, why did it? But it's like I'm having trouble with like, like this is a kind of like time mechanic question that the story can split on in which I'm like,

Starting point is 01:28:55 I find it deeply and satisfying for the answer to giving a character wide-ranging time control powers to be like, I guess he's just stupid. I think the, yeah, closed loop, right? I guess is the term there. It would be that this period of time, like from the moment from the access he has to the paths and everything that he's influencing there through your mirror, he can fuck around with what's happening inside of this, but like the end state that occurs afterwards is one that he doesn't seem

Starting point is 01:29:34 to be able to get to improve. So regardless of whether or not he decided to go to the bakery or school somehow, events would occur regardless. You know, like, like on the macro level, they were always going to end up really bad in the first place. Again, I, I, I, that's the interpretation. Like, is the kind of thing where, where he can't change himself influencing his dad

Starting point is 01:30:02 because he was the events that lead to him being able to influence his dad would require him to have gone in time to influence his dad. And therefore, if he had not gone in back in time to influence his dad, he would not have the power now to influence his dad. I mean, we're the loop. It's a loop. Okay. Then that's really funny that a character is given the most wide-ranging ability conceivable

Starting point is 01:30:31 in order to hand himself freedom and yet still is trapped. That's really funny. Now I now understand a fucking fortnight joke from a couple weeks ago. Okay. In which somebody had a screenshot of Aaron Yeager skin in Fortnite being free, saying it's hilarious that Fortnite is the only time mentioned in which Aaron ever gets to be free. the only time mentioned in which Aaron ever gets to be free. And so, like, you know, there's that whole bit where it's not 100% clear, but then beyond that as well, like if you take Aaron for the fucking piece shit that he is and

Starting point is 01:31:27 um, then you're like, uh, what in terms of things being kind of like, are you hopeful or, or, or you more cynical, I guess, about how things are going to go to out, play out. And like when it plays out, and you get the, the tree and you get me kassa, and then you get the, the time, the future and it plays out. And then it's like, and then, you know, the nuclear apocalypse and everything gets wiped because conflict is conflict, and there's still Nazis over here, and there's still people over here. And then we ultimately fast forward to one of obliteration, and then time is cyclical.

Starting point is 01:31:58 We are pretty much looking at it. I have the idea that the, the, the, like, well, it was faded to happen. That sucks. It's yeah, I feel and it's not even, and again, even if you choose to save like faded or not faded, it's just like the, again, I felt like it was a hopeless, just kind of cynical depressing way to play it, you know.

Starting point is 01:32:25 The other aspect, and the thing is, is trying to understand some of that as well. Like again, I'm sure there's parts that I'm not considering or not remembering or missing. So I apologize for anyone who can go better there into that. But to just jump off that point, Something else I think was that like, Ymir is kind of this catalyst that like had, like is just the ultimate victim. And it's like, oh, she deserves her freedom more than anyone else. And then like, when she's granted it,

Starting point is 01:33:02 it's like the idea that, oh no, you're super fucked. Like you never, you never had a chance to even be a normal person, a normal child. Like I fully understand that. And I like, it's such a tragic character. Like she has the fucking worst and then plays out that hatred in this fucked up way. And I think, I just think that like the way they kind of go with like what's her deal with like sticking to this vow and everything. And I think all they really, I think I just, I think it's okay that like they were getting at this fucked up form of love. But I just think the the way it was worded

Starting point is 01:33:42 probably needed to be better handled or translated because it's like it was ultimately love for the most evil person ever that kept her doing all of this and locked her in and she needed to see, I guess, somebody else who was willing to kill the person they loved who was also horrible to, you know, like I guess, is that's kind of the idea. But if I kind of, I just feel like that's a part where I think I get what they're going for, but I just think the language didn't really fully convey that idea of like this is a Stockholm syndrome trauma broken child

Starting point is 01:34:18 that never had a chance. And like they kind of hinted at it's like, oh, it was out of love, but you've been living a nightmare. But I think, yeah, I just fully explaining that aspect of how fucked up her relationship is and the fact that she needed, they do say she needed a connection, right? And it's almost like the abused victim

Starting point is 01:34:41 that it's like, tries to reach out to anyone like including the abuser for some acknowledgement that they exist as opposed to somebody who in just solitary confinement, right, is going to like put everything they can on having this connection. Like, you know, I feel like that's kind of unstated but like, you know, it's the way to make sense

Starting point is 01:35:03 of that type of relationship. I just want to point out that I may be incorrect, but the Stockholm syndrome is not in the DSM. It's not a real thing. It's something invented by the media. I see. To explain how the Stockholm police massively fucked up and it costages out. Okay. Is there a term for the fainter-

Starting point is 01:35:28 For a helplessness. Learned helplessness is what people usually mean. Okay, when like a captain, when somebody who's like, Captain of a fucking basement somewhere. You're captain a situation that's so bad for so long and any attempt to fix the situation is met with such an extreme reaction

Starting point is 01:35:45 that you cease attempting to fix it. That being said, the presence of like adoration or love for your direct abuser as a result of this is that there's a whole, you could write a book on this whole thing. The definition of just stock home is... Okay, yeah, it's blunt. Right, okay.

Starting point is 01:36:15 So I think that like, if that's what they were going for, learned helplessness, like they touch on it too lightly and like could have like, you know, I guess fully made sure that like you don't miss, you leave, they could have, you want to make sure there's no room for misinterpretation here, you know, that like, that the love quote unquote that she's feeling is some sort of pure honest, you know, like true connection with her heart to the king. Like brainwashing is a fucking thing, but it's hard. It's a whole thing.

Starting point is 01:36:52 I, maybe I'm stuck on this, but like, and I can understand like a nihilistic story or like a, like a, a, a, a, a doomer view of the world, but like having characters either be faded or unable to escape from causality loops means all of their actions are amoral because they had to happen, which means there's no story.

Starting point is 01:37:17 It's just a sequence of events. I feel like that's a huge big mistake. So I feel like what Aaron was trying to go for was one where my actions are faded, but I will give you the freedom to choose what you want to do while I'm going to be stuck in this path, but yeah, it feels, again, like it is not 100% clear, like what had to happen and what was anyone's choice, if any of it was really. Like even in fucking Greek myth, when the tragedy is caused by your hero's fatal flaw, which is an appropriate comparison here, because Aaron's got a fatal flaw. You can argue with the

Starting point is 01:38:11 fates. Like you can, you can get a hold of a fate in Greece and be like, fuck you bitch, change it. For most of the story, it felt like Aaron's personality from the jump, I'll kill all my enemies, Tata Kai, if we kill everyone across there, then will we be free? It felt like those are meant to be the moments that are setting up the fact that when the final moment comes, I'm going to just rumble everything. I'm going to let you stop me and you can try to. I'm like negative freedom versus positive freedom almost.

Starting point is 01:38:45 Like I'm gonna, like if you're taking away my freedom, then I'll kill you as like often like the thing. So it feels as if that was what they were kind of setting up. But that last conversation really confuses what dominoes were unavoidable and which ones worked. It definitely does. I mean, watching like 10 domino's fall over in a row is not the most exciting thing in the world

Starting point is 01:39:10 no matter how flashy and well animated those Domino's are. There was some stuff that was like super sick. There is, there is a tie, I enjoy that like, Zeke is this horrible person is like who's all who's talking about enjoying the small things in life and baseball and shit is broken to a point where like he like loses all that and then basically has a there's a scene where Armin kind of reminds him of what's up and what he kind of is going for a quote-unquote it's not even like a redemption moment,

Starting point is 01:39:45 but it's like, it's like, is this gonna be a redemption moment because he doesn't deserve that. And he pops out and has a little bit of a like, oh, look at that, huh. You know, it's like, it's almost like a moment of like, yeah, he's like, there's a, even though I've killed so many people,

Starting point is 01:40:00 look at that sunset, isn't that interesting? Anyways, and then Levi shows up and just does what he does. And it's like, no, that's correct, this fucker needs to go. Like, and this needs to happen anyway. But you don't really get to have that full like, and now you're on the good guy side moment, you know? Hey, I have a, I have a really important question that I, I kind of already know the answer to, but I need to have it confirmed. I would forgive every single problem or annoyance I had with this whole series if you told me right now that that dinosaur titan that we saw in the ending of like the season two is in the show somewhere.

Starting point is 01:40:42 I think it's not. I don't think we ever actually see it. But I remember that part with the beast Titan in the middle and all the other animal Titans. I think the grasshopper and Tyronosaurus Titan are in fact confirmed to not be there because there's a moment where all the previous generations of like Titan shifters show up on on Aaron's back and there's and you can get to see what each of them were and what they would have been and stuff and so like that's the perfect opportunity. And through that you get to see a couple of different incarnations of beast and it's interesting but yeah that fucker never shows up. There is, so there's some, I can see how this is a device of one here, but like with Falco, I'm like, I thought like what would Falco show up?

Starting point is 01:41:38 I was like, that's on the nose, but I'm fine with it because there's one, this character's name is Falco, two, there's a scene way back when the Marliens are discussing the eradication of the LDN people and how they need to switch over to weapons of war. And one of them kinda looks up at the sky and goes, huh, we don't have any flying Titans, do we? And then anyway, and then they just kind of move on with the conversation.

Starting point is 01:42:06 And then that pops up in a moment where like the final thing you're seeing here is the literal embodiment of the wings of freedom on their backs that they carry through as the motif, you know, throughout the show. So I thought that was pretty alright. I Remember to as well the Okay, Falco a Zeke Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck what was it? Shit Oh shit. Oh, um, with the, I guess just like, yeah, the, the, the, I mean, the fact that

Starting point is 01:42:52 the rumbling is, is played out for you in such a way where like, they fully know how horrendous this whole thing is, um, you know, there's, like, there's a, a, a straight up like, uh, Shindler's list reference, I feel that goes down at one point, you know, um, and like the, the overall thought experiment for this whole show being, I, I, I didn't know until like, until, I mean, obviously you can't find out until later, but the whole thought experiment for the show being what if the Madagascar plan went into effect is an interesting place to start.

Starting point is 01:43:34 And I, and it is way delayed, but getting around to that idea as like this is potential. Look, by the time you see Zeppelin's and shit you're already going like all right, you know, I get what we're going for here. I'm in the arm bands and all that, but like the parallels are not just like, hey, look, these are pseudo-nazies and things. It's like, no, no, no, literally the Nazi plan to use Madagascar as the last place to send them all was a real thing, you know.

Starting point is 01:44:06 If you haven't heard of it, you can look this up. There's real history. It's called the Madagascar Plan and there was a point when it was a very important step where it basically when it was there the first couple steps were you know crystal knocked and then Jude and her house and all that, and then shipping them everywhere. And then there was a point before the final solution where they were like, what if we just sent them automatic ask our and made that the place where all the Jewish people go from

Starting point is 01:44:35 that one. And it was important because mentally, even though the step didn't occur, it allowed them to get closer to the final solution mentally without, like, without actually, you know, by tiptoeing up to it, so to speak. And it's a real fucked up thing. You can go look up the history of that to find out more. But that was... Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:00 I... The further we get into this, the more I'm hung up on Aaron's stupid time travel shit in which I'm hearing in my head going Anime Hitler had to do it There was no other way said Fate and God and or or like what the fuck message is this? More peace could have been obtained if the last 20 actually went, you know? Yeah, I just, that's the thing, I just don't, I just, it's, it's like you,

Starting point is 01:45:37 it's just bunch of dominoes. The, the, the part, like the story of the tragic human condition does not, it doesn't have to be this hopeless cynical nihilistic thing. I don't even need a half-tooling or ethically or as a takeaway. I'm just saying from a narrative perspective, having none of your characters actually have any agency

Starting point is 01:46:04 whatsoever is boring. And so the problem is done. And so the problem is done. And reach the end of your story and be like, ha ha, I tricked you. You thought they were making decisions, but actually they were going down their predetermined paths. And that's the part that I'm like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:46:23 If everything was meant to be that. That's the part, I think there might be some of it, I think there might be that some of it was, oh, able to be influenced, but some of it was not. But again, it's not explained well enough. I don't know that the intention was this was all pointless, but if that conclusion is correct, then it does in fact mean that the Domino's were unstoppable from the jump, and there's nothing anyone could do, including Aaron himself.

Starting point is 01:46:56 It's boring, man. And that is ultimately, again, a hopeless way to go. If that's, if that's, like, if we assume, just for the second right now, that like, oh yeah, Aaron tried like a million different combinations or whatever, and he couldn't find any better solutions. And I guess some of it kind of had to be this way.

Starting point is 01:47:23 Then any discussion about any characters motivations or any characters emotional state or like that scene you were just describing with Zeke and Levi, it's like, well, I mean, that's what was gonna happen. That's how it was always gonna happen and they had no choice. Yeah, so I will say that this doesn't, to me at least,

Starting point is 01:47:44 feel like it doesn't feel like the game of Thrones level train wreck that is like we the creators are like checked out of this world and trying to get nothing's ever going to come. Like it doesn't feel like that and I don't think that that comparison is apt here because like yeah, that is a like we can't get to these credits fast enough. We have Star Wars movies to make, right? Love of bad. Ha ha, bitches!

Starting point is 01:48:11 And enjoy making that Star Wars movie, D-E-N-D! Ha! How to go, right? And I think that this is just a case of almost like the creator like either not knowing how to stick the landing or having a view of the world that is just diametrically opposed to my own in some ways, but I'm not, again, I'm not sure. And I wish, like, I feel like we need to see more to get what you're going for. But if I'm reading the text for what it is, it does feel like to fight, to fight,

Starting point is 01:48:49 tatakai, tatakai. Yeah. Why? You know? And I say this, like, because we're focusing on this part of it. And I'm like, and I, but I'm also just like, there's so much I loved, man.

Starting point is 01:49:03 And I could, I could gush on the moment. Oh, there's some good shit even when I enjoyed. I fucking love so much of this show. It's so good. Some of the, like, like some of the, not just the twists, but just like again, like the, you know, the fucking, even the moment, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

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Starting point is 01:49:40 but it's like, you know, Armin feels the way he feels, but how much of that is influenced by who Bertolt was and how he felt about Annie, is that going to make me less of me? And if so, you know, does that matter in the end? And then also the part where it's like, who do we choose to revive? And did we make the right choice? And the, you know, and to the end, he let, you know, like, Erwin, just like, I don't matter, I'm dying, but keep fighting. Like that meant, like everything about those moments is like, oh, like I can't describe how much we were into this, you know, along the way. And I still, to this point, here's how good I think it

Starting point is 01:50:22 is. I would still recommend Attack on Titan, and I still will, because so much of it is fucking incredible. So, hey, let me ask you, let's do a, let's do a, a breakdown. I'm not the kind of person that'll like hit this type of, like, conclusion and feel like, therefore the entire journey up to this point is not worth it. I'm not worth it.

Starting point is 01:50:45 I'm not that person. I still think I would recommend this to people, and I still will, because there's so much to love. But, so, there's a discussion you gotta have when you hit this point, you know? I've described, I don't know if you, I can never remember if you've seen it, but I talk about battle, starke, alactica a lot. I haven't seen it, but you talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:51:04 Right at the finish line. Like right, like, term turbo fumble on the finish line. It's astonishing, it's crazy. And it's so good. Right up until there. Do you feel that like attack on Titan is like, like where is it sit on you? If like it's great? It's great. It's great It's great and then it kind of fumbles a little bit. I know that it's a little confusing or unsatisfying. I know that I know that a lot of people are They if mega readers the vibe I got was that like the the last couple of chapters were just a downhill thing and I and I

Starting point is 01:51:42 I'm not there. I feel like yeah I've seen people say that the anime and the manga endings are actually like somewhat different. Because more of an editing choice, but they are different. Yeah, and I think editing as well as like enhancing things for time, taking the time, like expanding on things that weren't expanded on, you know, even the the someone who's describing how like when you see see Aaron and Armin going to visit different places and having this conversation while looking at lava and looking at the sea and stuff, like it totally changes things versus having it, like, just go quickly and it's kind of rushed

Starting point is 01:52:21 in the manga and you don't really fully get to take in the pacing of it of like this sad final moment, you know, and ultimately the one where it's like, um, yeah, and so apparently the anime like handles that better and such and to, to, to, to me to answer your question. Um, I like, I feel like I love, I think it's super strong and everything going down is great. Up until I think Aaron's motivation conversation, the followed by the Ymir, like language, so to speak. I mean like the most, I think the most vitriolic response is Ymir like inverting her like ideation. Ymir?

Starting point is 01:53:14 The king the fuck they're over. Ymir like like like I still like I think Ymir could have been done better, but I don't think they did the, they did again, there's a better point to be made there, right? But the three points are Aaron's motivation, Yamir's motivation, and then once they're dead and gone, and we see Mikasa's play out with the tree

Starting point is 01:53:42 and everything and the end of it, the Futurama will ask city build up into the apocalypse and then the cycle ultimately repeats. Those are the things that I'm like from that point on, I'm like, oh man, that's where it just hurts, you know? And I would say that like, prior to that, I'm very on board with it and like, things going down are pretty cool up to that point. So essentially, I mean, for what it's worth

Starting point is 01:54:18 going into this final 90 minutes, I was still as excited as fuck and it was around the halfway point where I started to like Have these questions and go like oh we're running out of time. How are we gonna? You know address some of this and then you kind of really see like again a a the most heartbreaking scene of just like You know people on a cliff side back between the rumbling and death and like, it's just this insanely fucking brutal scene.

Starting point is 01:54:49 And you kind of call it, and then it gets called right there, and you're wondering like, wow, what is the toll of this conflict gonna be? And at no point in my brain do I ever think 80%. You know? But it's like, oh, but then that number had to be run down to such a point where even if there's retaliation, it couldn't be meaningful, therefore the paradigms continue to exist in the LDS.

Starting point is 01:55:12 You're like, okay, all right. So then we're gonna just, yeah, genocide good, right? Not quite, but like, what, you know, so yeah, that's what it is. It's that last half of that last episode, you know? I don't know where Battle Star Galactic happens, but like, is it like, it's the last episode? It's the very last episode, okay. It's like the very last episode. Yeah, then I would say, I would say same thing here.

Starting point is 01:55:37 But like the last episode here is an extra long. So I'd say the last half of the last episode, yeah. And then the thing is too is like, I within these moments within these these points we're just we're talking about too. There's these things where you're like, here is here is a writer like basically almost trying to like almost embodying likeing, like, the, like, he-lose, the hero that killed the full Titan,

Starting point is 01:56:10 you know, back in the day, or whatever, the fake hero. Riner has this, this incredible arc, and, you know, that is all happening, but then when you see, what the fuck is it called? Hallucigenia, I believe. The creature, right, that is ultimately the real, like the fucking point, the thing that's discovered. Like, it also just kind of cuts away

Starting point is 01:56:37 without an answer as to what happened and where. We see them stopping it, and then we go back to Aaron, but then we don't really know what the fuck happens with Hulusi Genia. So like, there's another honest question there, but right up until that moment, Reiner is incredible. He's so good, you know, and the rest of the crew is there and they're all so good and there's this amazing moment, you know, with Connie and, and, you know, as they're like the, as the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the gas is surrounding them and they're like,

Starting point is 01:57:06 God damn it. You know, all this suffering and this is how we go out, huh? You know, like everything about everyone in that group that is not Aaron is so fucking just, you just feel for them. You mentioned something that I kind of want to have one follow up question for. And I know I'm sorry, I know it deals with the time stuff, but you mentioned Aaron's motivation, which is freedom and to destroy all of his enemies. I assume that's his reasoning, right? But like he gets to that motivation when his mom dies, but he killed his mom. So that's the fuck is his motivation?

Starting point is 01:57:46 So that's that's that's the that's the thing was Talking about this with punch mom a bit and going back on what is he stupid? He's like, I mean yes, right? Yes. The answer is yes confirmed, but um that part like I I wasn't sure if it was like because he says he doesn't know enough times there, where it's like, is it that this was happening and then like he goes back in and underlines it,

Starting point is 01:58:15 it's already in the script, but he underlines it because he knows that it needs to avoid Bertolt in order for that timeline to continue to play out the way it does, or is it that it never would have played out that way and he's the one that made it happen, right? Again, everything up until that point seems to indicate that his personality type, his stubbornness, his way of viewing the world is the reason why things play out the way they do. Is that, is the title of Titan just anti-nuke? Is that the, is that the average?

Starting point is 01:58:48 I'm a result of the story is that people should, individuals should not have wide ranging and annihilating power. Reppens of mass destruction are bad. Yeah. That's a tired fucking theme. That's, that's, that's absolute. absolutely but then again nukes are necessary to Okay, no shit, but nukes are also necessary to save the world at the end of the day

Starting point is 01:59:15 Yeah, um that is that is that is one take on it, but I think no I think that's that's um One element isolated would is a reductive aspect, but more than anything, it's just the genocide, right? Or is it like that people like Aaron should not have? When someone who cannot, like, at all, take into account, like, when someone who cannot take into account any subtleties of a situation or someone like that who's just like no, they're the enemy and that's it. There's no black, it's black and white. That is absolutely the worst kind of person to have this to give the R2. But then now hold on because Zeke's version of it is like in the passive sense it's like well no let's just sterilize ourselves right which is again another form of genocide you know and um um it's yeah it's it's it's more about the the question

Starting point is 02:00:22 of you know when the power switches hands where do you stop you know that's that about the question of, when the power switches hands, where do you stop? That's their bigger point that they're trying to go for. I feel bad because, you know what? I feel bad and also not bad. I'm ambivalent. I'm of two conflicting emotions. Because on the one hand, I wanna give every creator like the benefit of the doubt for the themes on their story

Starting point is 02:00:49 Particularly on a story that I have not personally finished. I don't think that's pretty I don't think that's fair Right for me to judge a story that's unfinished on the other hand I can't undo the brick through the window that is the panel of arm and saying thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake. Like I can't undo it in my mind. So I haven't seen that, but I'll show it to you. It's in my DMs right now. Okay. But I, I, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 02:01:28 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 02:01:36 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Starting point is 02:01:44 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Just, just. Yeah, that's insane. That's awful. Just, that's awful. And that's not, that's not, I think the weirdest thing about it is when I talk about, not a mis-translation, okay. People go, all that was a bad translation to which people go, no, it wasn't, it was legit.

Starting point is 02:02:03 Yeah, that is that is very That's not the vibe I got but like when Fuck what was I gonna say right before that? Yeah, there's a lot but but um the a lot, but the final note of that conversation ends up being like, I guess we'll see each other in hell, right, for the work of us. We've committed, you know, and like, that's like, yeah, yeah, that's okay, you know, sure,

Starting point is 02:02:40 but I, yeah, I don't, I do feel that the difference though is that like Nikasa was like up until that last possible minute Just like no, but maybe no, but maybe there's a way and it's just like it really does it like everyone else has already accepted it And she just and they almost have to like be like hey, you know what you come with us to do the other plan Don't think about it too hard because she just can't get brought to that point. You know? And that's... Yo, that sucks. What you just described with Mekasa.

Starting point is 02:03:17 Yeah. That sucks so bad. It's... It's... And it's... You know that you're like, I wanna feel for like the, the, the, the part where your heart is breaking here,

Starting point is 02:03:30 but like you have to hit cold reality way before we get to this point. I did, I did see a clip from the anime where Aaron is like crying and talking about McCost. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like he's so wretched. It's pathetic. It's, and like, like,

Starting point is 02:03:51 what, Armin, like, stares at him, like, what the fuck just happened? And it's his moment because, and it's the thing is because it's like, he never acknowledges her. He never acknowledges it. He doesn't, and then when you're like, oh, you're bullshit,

Starting point is 02:04:02 and you don't really believe in that, you clearly care, right? And it's just a moment're like, oh, you're bullshit and you don't really believe in that, you clearly care, right? And it's just a moment of like, oh, God, of course I care, but I just suck, you know? And it's, yeah, it's like, it does answer the question in a way that reveals him, you know? I think him not, I think you need some version of that, right? You need some version of, dude, how do you actually feel here?

Starting point is 02:04:27 You know, and that was, I think, needed. But like, it's just underlining the fact that he's like, yeah man, I do suck. You know? Like, Aaron, Aaron is interesting in a way, like from a meta narrative perspective. Like, I'm sure you've seen like people unironically posting like Patrick Bateman fucking shit and go what a sigma like he's the villain of that movie you do psychos and Aaron is like kind of like that in which he's a he's a he's a shown in protagonist he turns in a big thing But like over like he is always shown to be like a pathetic loser in

Starting point is 02:05:03 always shown to be like a pathetic loser. In no matter how big an adult and strong he gets, he's still like the dumbest, stupidest, shittiest loser ever. And the problem. And that's cool. And then there's the almost a bit where like everyone who hits that conclusion early on in this final part is like, okay, okay, okay, can we talk? Can we talk?

Starting point is 02:05:43 There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to talk about this. And it's like, yeah, in fact, we kind of do talk, but it doesn't matter. Because even if you guys fail, I'm still gonna carry through with this, because that's the way things are going. And again, all the indicators are, because that's the way I see the world. But then it's like, but part of it was forced. But yeah, but anyway, that's, again, the biggest problem, right?

Starting point is 02:06:01 The biggest problem here. I, yeah, I still, fucking, there's so much in this that I fucking find incredible in love and there's so many characters that are, um, handled so well, and then, you know, then getting done dirty, you know, but it is a finish line thing. And I, yeah, I'm glad I suppose that I kept this one to myself up until finishing it, because it maximized the enjoyment along the way. And I do also see that some people were like looking at that manga closer as a, like,

Starting point is 02:06:42 what if, is this setting up for a sequel type of thing and I did not get that vibe at all? Like, so I saw like, oh, they had the audacity to set up for like the next bit or whatever and it's like, no, that really felt like a time is a loop bit that did not feel like a, we're planning for more. But I, you know, I could always be proven wrong

Starting point is 02:07:03 when they announced something else but it didn't feel that way to me. I didn't interpret that way. What with time being a flat circle, I think it's almost appropriate for me to want to circle back to something that we talked about at the very beginning. So like, my perception of this story

Starting point is 02:07:17 is always going to be tainted now because of the overwhelming negative reception and argument about its ending that's been going on for multiple years now. Like when did the manga end? I feel like two years ago. I mean, it ended while the, all I know is it ended while the like,

Starting point is 02:07:37 the final parts were still airing, right? Because I remember when I saw that, and I was like, oh fuck, okay, time to, 2021, 2020, yeah, okay, time to 2021, 2020. Yeah, two years ago. If the fucking final season hadn't come out in like 10 different parts, this fucking discourse wouldn't have gotten to restart over and over and over and over again every time the final season came out it would have run its course and then the final season would come out and then you'd watch

Starting point is 02:08:13 the final season but instead like every single time I've seen the words attack on Titan come up in like fucking two years people start arguing about arm and thanking fucking Aaron from the genocide and it's because it's so intense over and over. They should not have described the final. They should not have used the word final when they did. That was in that was final season part two is is like clowns. They should not have said the word final like quite simply because the fact that it takes them time to make something that is so like like beautiful and well done and technically incredible or whatever is like yeah sure right but but like it was like we're dividing the last slice of the pizza into half and then into putting out and then into quarters and then into fifths and

Starting point is 02:09:09 That use of the word final was the was the absolute setup for failure of their They're putting out god damn fucking parts of an anime labeled like you how you or I would label an edit of a video sure sure final final again, final part three, for real final this time. The final season, part three act two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:09:36 Don't do that, don't do that. Just make it and then call it when you call it. Unless they thought they would have been done sooner and then the changes they were making required more arguing behind the scenes for what to edit in addition to the technical, you know. But yeah, that's it, that's it ultimately. And I mean, I don't know.

Starting point is 02:10:01 That I have questions. I don't know that the creator has answered them. I don't know if they're ever going to, or maybe I just never look too deep into it. And I haven't gone on a deep dive. So anything I'm misinterpreting, reading wrong here, not getting subtext of, or all of that shit.

Starting point is 02:10:22 I'm just giving you what I felt to watch it with Punch Mom and the initial thoughts on the matter. So I can definitely stand to hear what other more point by point breakdowns might have to say. But that's- Oh my God. I just looked into the chat just now and saw the phrase Scott Pilgrim arguments Our next week and I'm like oh man. Hey, well, did you know that Scott's not supposed to be a good person? God, yeah, oh man, you know, he's supposed to be like a dirt bag. Did you know that? that

Starting point is 02:11:10 One of my favorite anime's man. This is one of my favorite anime's, you know like it it was The yeah the glowing journey week to week was anyway all right That's it. That's it. Hey, I got to take a bathroom break. Let's do it. Right. I just want to say to um, that I will get Aaron did nothing wrong. Aaron did nothing wrong. In fact, he did everything right. No, I will be bumping this soundtrack for the rest of time. Like, it is one of the most fire OSTs ever. Ever. It is insane how fucking good this thing is man. Like I, and the, the, the, the, even just lyrically and like the feeling you get from every one of them, from the original theme to, you know, Sasageo and the rumbling, even the fucking season three or four

Starting point is 02:12:22 boyfriend music, boyfriend music with Yoshi- with Yoshiki or whatever like all of it I love the soundtrack top to bottom. It's unbelievable Goddamn is that just like Five stars passing grade all across the board incredible Some of the best opes ever in anything. Yeah All right. Click word for my sponsors. This week,

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Starting point is 02:24:11 are getting like super thick because of the baby. Can you believe that? You're muted? Well, I'm like lifting weights. If what? Did you hit a muted? I have fucking mute button. Hello? I am muted. What the? But, but I'm coming through. What? Oh, was it my headphones? Oh, I'm sorry, hold on a second. Did my headphones die?

Starting point is 02:24:38 Holy! Hello? Yeah, give me, sorry, the headphone did for some weird reason in the middle there. Yeah, that's why you gotta get right, Con, man. Alright, we're back. It didn't make a noise to indicate that it disconnected either. Alright. Oh, well, yes, I was saying, yeah, I wasn't done with the, I was just saying that like my arms are gonna get real big is holding this baby.

Starting point is 02:25:12 I'm like doing reps literally all day. Yes. Get, get swole. You lift the baby up over your head and you feel your triceps going. This baby's getting fat. Yeah, you can like, get some like leg work going with your knee bumps and your squats and your yeah, use it like use the baby like a kettlebell. Yeah, that's called going up the stairs while holding a baby in your knees. Fuck there you go. Because you're old

Starting point is 02:25:38 and you're old piece of baby kettlebell. So yes, I also so something else this week, I watched Killers of the Flower Moon. Have you heard of this movie? I heard... God, who wasn't it Scorsese? Who the fuck was it? There was some fucking... There was some fucking movie channel or fucking company that like replied to a photo of Robert De Niro in that movie as you know he had to do it to him. Who the fuck was that? I can't remember. Oh god that's fucking, is it's that is fucked

Starting point is 02:26:26 That is fuck it was paramount it was the No, are you fucking kidding me? I'm super for real All right well right? Well look, um, cause of the flower mood Scorsese 3 and a half hours, it's a, it's a bigon, um, yeah, dinner only, oh, and, and a number of others that, um, uh, are doing it. It is, um, it is a fucking good movie. Uh, it is obviously like, again, Scorsese is doing what he does, but in particular, I'm thinking of how he is, I think he said in the interview, maybe it's like after the Irishman, or I forget where, maybe, but I feel like he talks somewhere about how like when you've got when you're up there in

Starting point is 02:27:26 years and you've only got a few movies left in you you got to pick what you're gonna do very carefully you know you got to pick and choose if you have a lot of stories you want to tell which other ones that matter and when you see this you walk out of there going like, yeah, actually, I get why this is one of the stories that needed to be told. This is... Hey, before we go any further, I am well aware that Scorsese makes good movies, but is it as good as the most recent Marvel film? Well, I haven't seen the Marvels, so I don't know,

Starting point is 02:28:07 but I'm hearing good things about it, so we'll have to see how they stack up to each other. We'll have to see. It's hard to say right now. Jury's out. I will say this. They, in terms of just like real, and this is like the, the wheelhouse that I pre, I very, very, very much love.

Starting point is 02:28:32 Real shit that happened that you've never fucking heard about. Real insane fucked up shit that went down that you might have kind of heard about, but you don't fully know the deal. This is way up there on the list of like, wait, what? What went down in the 1920s? Just like you want to talk about like continuing the theme of discussing genocide, right? Yeah, this is just... You know what, you're right. When I sit here and I sit, I would like to continue discussing the theme of genocide. That is a phrase that exits my mouth. Every other day, we're discovering something new and harrowing about Native American history here,

Starting point is 02:29:21 up in Canada, especially. And there's a lot of that shit that is Down in the States that like we've heard about but this story I've never fucking heard about and I'll you know, I'm not gonna spoil I suppose but it's a history so at the same time like fucking what but it's just like It's the story of a the Osage tribe of natives in the 1920s were basically a, there was a brief period in time where they were, I think historically the richest people in America I think historically the richest people in America because there was oil on their land.

Starting point is 02:30:10 And... Damn it. Yeah. We somehow... Shit. We let him keep 1% Somehow that 1% had a bunch of oil on it. Son of a bitch. This is bullshit.

Starting point is 02:30:21 I thought we were just giving them some fields turns out There was oil Under the ground damn it. Well, how will we rectify this situation perhaps with a long straw to drink up a milkshake? drainage boy drainage no It's it's in fact Yeah, this this insane moment in history that I've never fucking heard of, where yeah, they became the richest, they became like the owners of this insanely large, I think like close to 700 acre, you know, a plot of what at the time was going to be the thing that defined

Starting point is 02:31:10 like literally all countries, borders and international relations for the next 100 years. Give or take. Oops. So what happens then? Well, you've got 1920s America in the middle of doing what it does. And, you know, natives being treated like garbage, but when you have something like that of extreme value and interest, The way America then interacts with you is predictable, but fucking just just brutal, insane.

Starting point is 02:31:54 What do you mean? I mean like we we obviously want to get in there, but legally there's only so much we can do. But what if we just push past that point, right? What if we do things like say, all right, you guys are super rich. And that's cool. And you are, um, you're able to live, live up that wealth to a degree, but yeah, you can't really just spend it the way you want to. So how about we put in place, uh,

Starting point is 02:32:23 a system where you got to go talk to one of us if you want to spend your money and we have to approve its usage because you know you're incompetent, you can't actually make your decisions. In fact, you have to declare that you're incompetent and then whatever you want to spend your money on, we're going to be the ones to decide how you spend that money, you know. And then money. And then in the more like on a system level, you've got that top side. And then on the ground level, you've got people just rolling in off the train, being like, how do I get a piece of this pie, right? And the thing that they had instituted was basically the, what the discovery of this oil,

Starting point is 02:33:05 they then, and this is not covered in them in the movie per se, but it's just the history of what happened prior to the movie starting. There was a member of the tribe that was, that set up a system so that if you're a full-blooded member of the tribe, you get dividends on all the money, the oil, and any mineral rights underneath the ground are valued to, simply being there. So if you remember, you're covered, you're taken care of, that's all there is to it. And you can sell the land to people, but you put the anything under the ground, the mineral and oil rights are only to be held by members unless you marry in or transfer the rights via other. Okay, well I'm gonna stop you for a second.

Starting point is 02:34:07 What the fuck is the movie about? What the fuck is the movie actually about? What is the back of the box synopsis of the movie? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm well aware of the historical significance and time period you're describing. But what the fuck is the movie about? Leonardo DiCaprio moved into O.C. territory

Starting point is 02:34:29 and is basically brought in by Robert De Niro to is brought in by Robert De Niro and he's amongst the group of white dudes that are coming in trying to marry into this oil money and the OSA tribe is here and while they have access to this money they are being wiped out through a series of murders that occur that are that go from like Like as first there. It's like suspicious and then all the way through to just brazen

Starting point is 02:35:10 Out and out murder and a bunch of these things happened in the 90s that were not they're just not investigated in some cases Just hand-waved ruled a suicide whatever and essentially a slow extermination of the tribe was occurring and No one was doing anything about it. So Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro are the evil white man's and trying to steal those natives as oils. And it goes as far as like literally like marrying into the family and showing you the degree to which like that nefariousness. Ah, stealing it with their penises. Can, can, like, took place.

Starting point is 02:35:50 The level that it took place that was one that was like. Is that theft by penis? Uh, yeah, it is, but, I mean, it doesn't have to stay that loose, you know. There's more than enough examples of theft by theft to go off of that was happening at the time. Yeah, sorry, I just tried to, I was trying to just explain the setting in context

Starting point is 02:36:16 because I know. Yeah, no, I understand, but I was like getting so much big picture that I couldn't see the little picture. Okay, I also am not sure what level of specificity to get into. I don't know how much you wanna know before you go sit down to watch it.

Starting point is 02:36:29 Well like Pluto, I would be like Pluto was about a series of robot-based serial murderers in the Astro Boy universe. All right. Yeah, I also went in pretty cold. Like I think I saw like the first trailer and it was just like a tone trailer, so I didn't even know what and all was about.

Starting point is 02:36:52 And yeah, anyway, so yeah, that's kind of it. It's incredible, it's very, very, very, very, very fucking good. And it's, did you see the theory? Yes, I did. It's three and a half hours long, right? It is. Did you bring a piss bottle?

Starting point is 02:37:09 I did not. I feel like, I feel like we've entered into a universe in which like filmmakers, like movies used to have fucking intermissions and they only used to be two hours long sitting now for 3.5 square seizie I mean he can hold it all day because his bladder is old but like that's ridiculous um I've done three and a half I've done four and a half for yeah but I don't want to know no I

Starting point is 02:37:43 for yeah, but I don't want to know. No, no, I There's a there is an actual in movie kind of like intermission moment so to speak You know, it's it's it's it's kind of interesting like it's it is It's up. There's a scene where they kind of it's it's literally introduced as the intermission so to speak and it's like a here we're gonna catch you up to a couple things that are like part of the history of what happened here that we're not gonna be showing you on film you could get up and run to the bathroom I suppose here but the details do matter so how much of an intermission is it really even though they they call it that right yeah I don't know I don't mind a long movie I don't know what to tell How much of an intermission is it really even though they call it that, right?

Starting point is 02:38:29 Yeah, I don't know. I don't mind a long movie. I don't know what to tell you. But I know that, you know, I can hold it. I was all right. I wasn't drinking a big gulp when I went to go see it. I think the main thing for me is like the combination of the setting that is most willing to offer you a big gulp combined with hold it for the longest period you reasonably would have to. Yeah. It's so stupid. I don't mind long movies.

Starting point is 02:38:56 I don't know what to say though. Like, I get that it's falling out of favor. I get that, you know, it's hard if you've got to make it to the bathroom and you can't pause it and shit like I get a lot of that. I understand all of that. I also just don't mind a full meditation on an on a subject matter. I like listen. I also like long movies and I'll binge TV shows But I don't like the feeling of having to watch something with my bladder full of piss. It's fair enough. I mean, I don't get off on it. Well, all I'd say is, I guess, like for me, I'll check the running time of a movie in advance.

Starting point is 02:39:31 And like, if it feels like it's beyond that threshold, maybe watch it at home or, you know, consider like, yeah, that might be a problem if you go to the theater, you know. But generally for me, like, I don't mind it. so I'm down to just go in for the full meditation on stuff. Um, particularly if it's, again, if it's a subject matter that like, you, that needs it, then fucking, by all means do it. And in this case, I think it does, you know, I think the three and a half. Oh no, I don't have a problem with the movie being any particular length, but it's, I don't know, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:11 The idea of having to look up on a website, one of the good times to go pissed. Oh no, that sucks. I would say, but I'd say like, yeah, check the running time. And then I guess plan accordingly for like, if you even want to bother catching it in a theater situation versus like

Starting point is 02:40:26 catching it on stream, you know Yeah, but that aside It's yeah, it's just it's it's it's fucking wild and again It's it's kind of incredible that this is this type of thing happened and No one really knew anything about it. So, you know, I guess he decided, okay, like this, it's based on a book, you know, and he's like, all right, like let's spend as much time and money and everything as we need, like bringing this, this story to light. And yeah, they, they, yeah, they do a pretty fucking incredible job of that.

Starting point is 02:41:06 It's just kind of wild to look at this world in the 20s where a bunch of, cause it's taking place on Reservation Land in Oklahoma. And you're seeing all these outsiders kind of coming in and are being like subservient almost in like Like oh, whatever you guys need oh sage tribe will do you know And they're just kind of setting up shop around while the wolves close in you know and like

Starting point is 02:41:39 To the point where you're seeing like white people learning and speaking the language and stuff and it's just like like yeah, it's nuts. It's just a nuts story that actually fucking happens. So go see it. Very good. And beyond that, that's a Pretty much it so Games wise we tried out thirsty suitors and I saw yeah Trying to win over your South Asian. Yeah, that was such a good bit and I'm like oh man That's just yeah like my mother is incredibly predictable. Apparently that is not a universal experience. Oh, so the movie by the way is called Killers of the Flower Moon is the name of the movie just as a closer right there. Thirsty suitors is a Tony Hawk cross SMT cross Scott Pilgrim, cross Anna Perna vibes game. And it's really all in just the setting in the writing.

Starting point is 02:42:49 Like, you know, the skating is very basic, simple, like, simplified Tony Hawk, the RPG, and simplified RPG, the cooking is Owen Dan-esque. It's nothing, you know, super complex in terms of the gameplay elements. But the writing is very funny. And you're kind of going through this wild fictional setting of Nokia phones and progress, like as the way Reggie put it, like people are like a very accepting and chill community that's down with like queer kids being around and being themselves, but also like we have

Starting point is 02:43:33 old ass folks and headphones and walkmins and tape decks and shit going on. It's like, what? That's a nice thing. What universe is this? You know, it's super like, oh, but yeah, anyway, no, like you, you, you have a, uh, uh, you're, uh, an early, your first boss fight is against your third grade, uh, boy, ex-boyfriend. And he's been pining for you ever since. And you handle that accordingly, you know, and all the issues that come with it.

Starting point is 02:44:07 And of course, part of their delusion is that you go into their mind palace to see the way they see themselves and then you have a verbal boss battle with them. And, you know, it's got all that like little just like indie game flair to it. And again, some of the things that you see in Siren R Wild Hearts with the colors and visuals and just exaggerated style of handling relationships. Not to mention in the Scott Pilgrim sense, you have a League of Eagle evil X's, but you yourself are also a very horrible person. So, uh, goody goody toos shoes. Yeah, we're gonna fucking ride this one out. But like playing

Starting point is 02:44:47 it, I had fun and then it was good enough that I was like, Hey, Yo Punch Mom, you should check this out and then I went back through it with her again after the fact. So, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's definitely charming. Charming is the word worth a peak, excuse me. Took a look at that, took a look at, what was it? Mario, and yeah, like I said earlier, good ass Mario game. Animations looking better than they ever have. Not much to say. Well, why are you playing that game in Japanese? Mario? I switched it to Quebec Wall. What the fuck are you talking about? Okay, because I was sitting in my chat and I some people started running in going, weep, woolly is changing the languages on Mario. Yeah, your fucking chat is being your chat. We switched from

Starting point is 02:45:47 English to Japanese to to to to to Quebec, Wah to French Parisian to fucking German They have a Quebec Wah and French Parisian like variation. They have French Canada and French Europe. Yeah And then we ended on German at some point like what the fuck the fuck are they talking? Shit the fuck up got anyway, whatever. It was hilarious. You could have the flower talking all kinds of languages. It was great. We, uh, uh, yeah. So we did that, uh, FF9 continues. And Grand Blue Fantasy versus Rising played a bit more of that. And I played some more because the beta continued up until today. And, um, that that I now that I've they've addressed it a lot of the issues they had last time. The Thro Tech windows were way too big before they've been fixed and I'm a real black real back is a thing. It sacrifices the frame rating or in the lobbies at some points,

Starting point is 02:46:40 but it's also because the lobbies are these massive worlds you can climb. They're crazy. There's also a fall guys mode, or it's just fall guys mode, with the little avatar that you run around the lobby with. Goofy shit. Overall, it's, and they took some systems out that they added at the end of the last Grand Blues. So like, yeah, balance things out into a better place system wise. Added a whole bunch to it that I think is very interesting where there's like two levels of ex moves now. There's like, there's a light medium version of any of any move like a far more or whatever. There's a like ex version that is like the biggest and best, but it's gonna put you in a cooldown state for longer.

Starting point is 02:47:21 And then there's a even better than that version that costs super meter to use instead of cool down. You know, but you have to choose which versions you wanna micromanage as you play and stuff. And it's an interesting system to put in place. A lot to think about with that, plus a guard break mechanic and some other things there. But while all that is there and I think like builds off of the initial game in a really good way,

Starting point is 02:47:48 I do have to say that now that I've gotten a chance to play this and then into DNF duel, which is just batchit crazy with its characters, designs, and balancing, I kind of prefer the wildness and extreme nature of DNF duel to this like slower pace. And I say this as someone who loves, I love the, again, the slower pace in a lot of cases. Samurai Shodans were my flavorful of the games ever. But the direct analog with DNF duel here is that in this case is just like, I feel like that game

Starting point is 02:48:18 has more fun with it while being a bit more extreme. I was picking up a new character. I learned how to play Lance a lot in the first game of this game. I was playing as Seekfried And by the end of the beta last night I was like, okay, I got the game plan together And I think he he feels like a really fun character But um overall there's a lot of stuff in movement moments where I kind of wish I could just kind of just yolo a bit and marvel it up You know, which DNF embraces, but that game gets wild and bullshit when it when it it It lets everyone be insanely cheap hard, you know, and this game feels a little more reserved about it

Starting point is 02:48:53 Feels like a real video game a little bit a little bit I suppose There's another thing to which is this is just kind of I guess the world in the setting. It's being faithful to it but there's a little bit of a, like, same face problem where a lot of the characters are, like, you know, sore guy and so, girl. And there's a couple variations, but a lot of the ones that show up are like, it's, it's so, girl, but she's got a different stance and slightly different attitude, but, you know, they kind of, there's no real silhouette change, there's not a ton stance, slightly different attitude, but you know, they kind of, there's no real silhouette change, there's not a ton of silhouette changing aggressively.

Starting point is 02:49:28 And I think part of that is because again, these are gacha characters that are, you know, you're going to roll for and spend your money on and they've got to be appealing. So it is a thing that they're the same. Eness is kind of intentional, I suppose, you know, but it does feel like even in like DNF where again to make up comparison, those are all playable made characters that are evolutions of the same original source class, they end up being wildly variant in their exaggerated styles, you know, by comparison here, you have, it's okay. But I would say it's like, I guess the limit of like, how samey I would like a couple of these,

Starting point is 02:50:09 like, sword girls and sword guys to be, you know? They're still very wild, fucking unique characters and, and L'Oain and L'Adeva and, you know, fucking God, what's his name? Slutboy. That's not helpful. That could be any.

Starting point is 02:50:28 No, they know the one. Not Beliel, but Blyel, yeah. It's kind of, it's kind of fucking, those extreme versions of these characters and Vassarag, of course represent the the unique cast members is not to mention the little fucking potatoes that jump around and fly up. They are potatoes. The potatoes are there too, but uh, yeah, though no

Starting point is 02:50:59 Belial or Belial is like like Turbo manhore His wind quotes are all just like, yo we gonna pork or what? I'm getting pork up over here like all of these things are just like so me you want me to top or bottom how we doing this? Oh that guy what the app? Oh he's all over it. It like no matter what is going on. I remember him. He's fucking like getting like walking into the battle,

Starting point is 02:51:29 like squeezing, squeezing it, trying to get the blood flowing, you know? It's crazy. But yeah, that's kind of what I'm left with. There's a like, I'm like, I'll play a, I'll pick it up and I'll be playing, you know, on a release in the fact that all weekend I had maybe like two bad rollback matches, one of which with someone from the UK, but

Starting point is 02:51:54 then the second time I played them, it was fine. So you know, felt all right, felt all right. But in terms of just like moment to moment fun, like, yeah, I ended up, DNF won me over, you know, the, the, the batch shit stuff in that. And Crusader in particular was just like so much fun, you know, and I haven't, I haven't, I feel like, yeah, I haven't felt that way about this cast just yet, you know, there's nothing that's grabbing me. But in any case, it's pretty much me.

Starting point is 02:52:27 So the schedule all post still deciding what but check it out, woolly versus on Twitch and on YouTube. We got to we got to move on. What's new in the world this week? Nothing. Okay, all right, there is nothing happened. I actually can't think of anything. I'm sure you're gonna say something, and I'll be like, oh, of course.

Starting point is 02:52:57 Rainer! Has joined Tekken 8. Oh, you mean the absolute ultimate legitimate proof that Hey Hachi, Ms. Shima is fucking dead? Super duper triple dead. And like he's actually dead. And, and, and, Herado was not lying.

Starting point is 02:53:17 There are at least 18 or 19 illegitimate children out there in the world. Yeah. All world. Yeah. All right. Listen. Right now she looks cool. Is absolutely. Yes, she is a Disney Pixar rebellious teen

Starting point is 02:53:35 coded character in appearance. Yes, she is the shadow of the hedgehog to Asuka. And I don't care, she's cute and it's awesome. She's just, oh, so, you know, so me and Paige before I went to bed last night, the tech and thing popped up when I was trying to figure out where to go for Pluto and I clicked on the tech and, and Paige looked up at her phone and went,

Starting point is 02:53:59 oh, woolly bait and then looked back down or. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I almost feel like, you know, we would go like, oh, why didn't Asuka get more of like a push? It's almost like, yeah, you know what? Let's try that again. It's what it feels like we're seeing here. For sure, for sure, it's all of that.

Starting point is 02:54:18 But I do, within the woolly bait, I can acknowledge that, yes, Disney Pixar presents your rebellious purple hair, Macomory from Pacific Rim, coded character, like absolutely, I see it, it's there. And I would love for them to be like, this is the vision we always had for Hay on it. I did, you know, but like, who am I,

Starting point is 02:54:43 I'm not gonna fucking, I'm not doubting Bayonetta's designer, Mary Shimizaki. I'm, yo, it is what it is. We are creature, we are born into this world. We are members of society. I think that's what I'm going to talk to. I think that's a really incredible moment for massive tech and dweebs. I think that's what I'm going to talk to. I think that's a really incredible moment for Who am I to not eat? Who am I to reject this plate? I think that I think that

Starting point is 02:55:06 trailer has a really incredible moment for massive Tekken dweebs in that. Kazooja looks at her and goes, who the fuck are you? Yeah. Yeah. And the character responds with, oh, you'll find out soon enough. Door yeah. Then cuts to her doing an electric with Godfist. And I'm like, oh, yeah. I know exactly who the fuck that is. Well, that answers that shit. Hilarious. Hilarious. No, it is blatant.

Starting point is 02:55:36 It is there is no mince and words. It is very clear. The bait has been set. And I looked at the hook and I saw it and I grabbed the hook and I saw it and I grabbed the hook and I put it in my mouth and I went gave it a tug for security and all right all right reel it in let's go um yeah so she the the story uh uh blog on uh the PlayStation blog described that like in the story mode there's gonna be more to it but she has like two personalities or there's something going on with the duality there and

Starting point is 02:56:09 of course you know you see the silhouette of fucking heihachi ass hatred when she summons the the the eclipse and goes full behalat in her super so but it's if it's not that, if it's not fucking expected demon shit again, then it's just, hey, Hatchee's saltiness transfers over through his seed. It's like, hey, Hatchee, you can pay every single eldritch being you fuck with just passes right through your dick, through you.

Starting point is 02:56:40 It doesn't want none of the thing to do with you at all. Go straight to the kids. Yeah. I mean, fuck, man, if we're dealing with illegitimate, hey, have a machine of kids, like I'll take her design over Lars, a million times, you know. You know what, Laura, it's just his hair. Yeah, it's just his hair. It is, but, fuck, you know. So that was, that's nice. She uses Tidow as well as a Vichima style

Starting point is 02:57:10 Marshall arts and we also got a little bit more info on Victor Chivalier who we talked about a bit last time, but I guess now we know so he's Ravens boss and He's got various lovers around the world and he's a penny pitcher. He's French, so. Yeah, no. Yeah, man.

Starting point is 02:57:32 No, I think, I think Mary is a very, very, like, if you like this type of character design, you're all in and if you don't, then you're all the five out. I think she looks cool. I like the cheese purple. I like that too. I'm a big fan of that color. I enjoy it quite a bit. And I think they definitely probably

Starting point is 02:57:58 is a cutting room floor design where they have her hair or something about her kind of referencing Hey Hatchee a bit more. I'm sure there was a twin spiked, you know. I'm sure there was a version of her with big hair and then there were like this looks like shit. Yeah. And then yeah, and then Shimizaki was like,

Starting point is 02:58:15 no, look, here you go. Let the lines on the jacket evoke the hair if you need to. No, you know what they can do? They can have her angel devil fucking Lightning show up behind her back and then she bends down and the camera has the two lines from the the streaks behind her Go behind her head and create the they hachi But that happens in her super already when she does her super I didn't even see that and then when I when I the the eclipse joke I was making was because in the middle of her super, she punches you. The whole street goes dark.

Starting point is 02:58:47 The sky turns red. The fucking blood moon appears. And then you see the demon shape silhouette appear and it's, they hatchy horns coming out of her. I didn't even realize. Yeah. It's, it's towards the end. Oh, well, then they did it.

Starting point is 02:59:03 Yeah, no, they definitely did it. It's clear And I think that's a final roster, right? That's the launch roster. So Those are the three newcomers Cool character always a fit. I would really like it if seconds that could improve. I would love it if more new characters showed up. But yeah, I've never heard of Tito actually up until... I've also never heard of it. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:59:36 So that's, I guess... I was watching her before she started doing like, hey, hotchi shit, I was like, I don't recognize this shit at all. I've never seen it in a movie and it's all. I've never seen it in a movie. And it's not never seen on the streets. And it's not a full replacement, Hey Hachi either, right? Because she has her own style as well. Same thing, so Kuma's not going to be a full replacement,

Starting point is 02:59:54 because Kuma's Kuma, you know, so it feels like he is. Hey, Hey Hachi is for real, actually dead. And will they commit to tell the arcade cabinets have been out for 16 weeks and then wow he's alive. That's how they do the back on Tech and five and it was great. Well, they find a way to get his move list into the game, you know, in some way, shape or form, right? You know, okay. Well, we've had a small variation of this conversation and I'm going to make it really, really short on my end. I think that's cool that we have the new kid that's kind of like hey Hachi

Starting point is 03:00:30 Um, and I know they killed hey Hachi at the end of the last game. Uh, I don't care About storyline affecting the roster in fighting games. I Don't care. I don't give a shit. Rougal's dead? Who gives a fuck? I would rather play as Rougal than Adel Hyde or what it like. Hey, Hatchee's ghost. I mean, you have a Jack 7. I don't give a shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can, there's a million ways to do it. You could have combat data, you know, transferred over. There's a million ways to do it. You could have combat data, you know, transfer it over. There's a million ways to do it. You can just have a fucking jack ass robot get up and do it. But, um, yeah, I guess we'll see.

Starting point is 03:01:15 Um, all right. I just saw somebody say, play a Sephidia stupid daughter with her moveset, but it's worse. Yeah, that's sucked. I mean, all these caliber kids, and I just care about mine. The one that no one gave a fuck about. Yeah, it was completely unique. The wolf stand. He could do a horizontal and a vertical.

Starting point is 03:01:37 It was great. You had a wolf stand. The... Um, the, the, so the Sega's did a bunch of interviews. We talked about last week, but we sure did. But it seems like we're not done because there was more to say. There's more. There's more of Sega. The quote this week is, Sega, rather Sonic Frontiers performed really well overseas in America, but not that well domestically by comparison.

Starting point is 03:02:16 And we're trying to figure out what happened. If there's something that legend of Zelda, Tears of the Kingdom or Armored Course 6 have, that Sonic Frontiers doesn't have, we want to know. What? What? What is it about Tears of the Kingdom and Armored Corps 6?

Starting point is 03:02:43 That we don't got what? What is the what are the kids what we thought it had everything? I don't know how to even Sonic frontiers was like what I played if it was fucking great. It was great. Why would you ask this question? It was also a highly limited budget Sonic game. That was not trying to be high speed robot action or engineering. Oh my god dude that that mega game they're making is gonna fucking bankrupt them. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. What this this feels like they got a bunch of kids in front of the fucking, the fucking Nielsen ratings fucking dial and going,

Starting point is 03:03:27 so you should Sonic be in a robot and make the ultra hand? It just sucks, what do you kids want? It sucks because it's like you guys picked a direction, committed to it, and made a good thing. And just like, do your thing, you're doing a good thing. I don't think, like, pick, do your thing. You're doing a good thing. I don't think, like, Frontiers was praised by like a ton of people and like, I don't think anyone has an issue

Starting point is 03:03:52 with Sonic going in that direction and playing like that kind of game, you know? But like to then just kind of be like, oh no, like, we gotta figure out what the FromSoft fans. You need everyone needs to, so where can I write in? I mean, I think they're talking to Japan on this question. I don't know that they care. Okay. Anyone who can hear me and knows how to talk to Sega tell them that it's because in both games, you can make a really cool robot. That's what Sonic game needs. It needs Sonic to get into a really big cool robot. That's what that's the only thing both of those games have.

Starting point is 03:04:29 We need to be able to like switch out parts and customize our Sonic for energy overload. You know, man, I'm repeating myself a lot today, but I actually do have a real answer. I have a genuinely real answer. today, but I actually do have a real answer. I have a genuinely real answer. Zelda tears the kingdom and armored core six are made by development teams that are allowed the freedom to iterate and improve on their existing designs and what works in their last game over a period of decades. Sonic team seems obsessed with completely reinventing the same game every single fucking time and not learning anything from the last time.

Starting point is 03:05:13 Zelda is a pretty hand cuffed franchise, though. Like, that is true, but admittedly, Breath of the Wild was like one of the first departures in a really meaningful way. Yeah, and that was after they made the same game 14 times in a row. So, you know, that is the comparison franchise here, right? And now we are in the New Zelda franchise era in which we will see 10 different variations of Breath of the Wild one after another. Um, I hope not, but yeah, the next game will prove me right or wrong.

Starting point is 03:05:55 If the next game is, is, uh, uh, beers over the fiefdom and the new mechanic is fucking. You're allowed to, you're allowed to mature as mask. You're allowed to mature as mask. of the fiefdom and the new mechanic is fucking... You're allowed a... You're allowed a majorer's mask. You're allowed a majorer's mask. You're allowed. You're allowed. Um...

Starting point is 03:06:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, but that's it. That's it. Like, Sonic is a fucking premiere mascot franchise that has gone through like... eras of like complete flops for almost whatever like multiple games in a row. And then two different fan bases and then like the classic style where they were fucking up for a while and then the new style which they were fucking up for a while and then spot equality here and there but ultimately like...

Starting point is 03:06:41 Like every time they were starting to get really good at one of the ways they liked to make a Sonic game, they would go totally different type of Sonic game. And this one sucks. So, so, so all that to say that I feel like it at least I mean, again, from what I've played of frontiers, which is like that first island, I think they got something cool going there. But like, you can't compare fucking armor core. But in any case, again, it does feel like this is a much pointed question for like in sale

Starting point is 03:07:14 for sales in Japan is what they want to figure out. Well, I mean, we have somebody in the chat saying that the headline of the article misrepresented. Yeah, Sonic Team actually wanted to say they want to reach the level of quality those games and not have not that they don't understand why they're popular let's get sonic is so the full quote is uh... what is it lacking what failed to resonate with them

Starting point is 03:07:36 uh... what did we miss when thinking of ways to appeal to players if there's something that the legend of zelda tears of the kingdom or armored course six have that sonic frontiers doesn't have, we want to know. They should let you get sonic pregnant. Because armored core and Zelda won't be able to compete with that. Put the official stamp of approval on dreams collection. Mm hmm. Nintendo will never let you get Link pregnant. I mean not unless we fight. They won't. No, they won't. They won't let you get Link pregnant. You can try. Okay. Well hold on. It won't go through. Well hold on a minute now

Starting point is 03:08:19 because what what about a live action link? I'm sure someone's gonna try and get live action link pregnant. I'm gonna tell you right now. You never know. You never know. Live acts, a lot of things are possible in live action. The rules change. If they're, hey, listen, listen.

Starting point is 03:08:44 If the casting director is doing their job correctly, when casting for the Legend of Zelda movie, they will cast someone that someone tried to get pregnant. There you go. Live action, prego link. I heard this news, they're announcing a Legends of Zelda live action film. And you know, it makes sense considering the success of Mario that Nintendo would follow up, you know, with the next huge thing. I just, the one thing I feel is like, I know it didn't seem like it was likely,

Starting point is 03:09:28 but I kind of helped a hope that when we eventually got to this point, I would, if we're gonna do a Zelda movie, I would have wanted it to look like an animated, like even 3D, but Miyazaki-esque looking- I was literally about to say it should have been more ghibli than- Right. It's of course A-Z. Exactly.

Starting point is 03:09:52 I would like- Okay, what if a 3D, high-out Miyazaki movie, like, existed, is what I would have hoped to see. And that- Oh my god. That ghibli Zelda movie is probably not going to happen. Because, you know, live action immediately means you got to, you know, you got to get gore-ons and make up. So, fuck, you know. Yeah. Again, they're going to spend enough money on this and it'll probably end up being

Starting point is 03:10:28 something. I don't know if I'm down with Chris Pratt as Garfield, Mario, and Link. I think kind of like we're, you know, we're looking at the current avatar, new live action thing that's coming and it's like, I see this as probably a, like, they're gonna spend so much money to make sure that like, it's not gonna piss everybody off. They're gonna spend the money to go through the iterations until it's like, just, just, just right, but you're never gonna get that booklet-fucking-art version of things that it could

Starting point is 03:11:00 have been, you know? I know a 2D animated thing would never happen. I'm like my brain doesn't even buy into that dream world. It's just not practical, but you could do 3D and you could make it to that kind of like, yeah, that kind of gibbly style, you know. Anyways, we'll see, but I I foresee the absolute most gnashing of teeth about any video game casting of all time with links casting I

Starting point is 03:11:37 For see I For see no person they could ever cast that would make Anyone happy see no person they could ever cast that would make anyone happy. Like, I spider, my Tom Spider-Man. Tom Spider-Man. Yeah. Yeah. For a lifetime. But I wish we were just dealing with a world where it's like it was just voice acting

Starting point is 03:12:15 to deal with. If Kiana Reeves can be howl, you know, you can, I thought you were going to say if Kiana Reeves could do it. And I'm like, I, maybe. Kiana Reeves was, I believe he was Howell in Howell's Moving Castle. Um, you know, so. Yeah, that was not a good role for him. I'm gonna tell you right now.

Starting point is 03:12:37 It's not, it's not the best. Wait, Christian Bale, did I get that wrong? Sorry. Did I get that wrong? It was Christian Bale. Hey, guess what, that was also not the best. Honestly, I just saw someone say the chat and I think they're right.

Starting point is 03:12:59 Link should be played by a girl. Link, we should be on Peter Pan rules on this one. You could, I could see it. Or you could also just get like the guy, Viral's voice actor, who is also, isn't he like a old fat Japanese guy? I'm sure he's still working. You know, you hear him ever? You want to just put him in the costume and just have him go, eh! Yeah, you know what? You know what?

Starting point is 03:13:31 They should do that. Right? They very much should do that. I should be like the new movie. Nobuyuki he- Yeah. Fucking just get him in there Anyway, not much else to say they just announced that they're working on it. So that's it um

Starting point is 03:13:55 In the meantime Over at capcom if we're talking Sega Nintendo capcom Capcom if we're talking Sega Nintendo Capcom. Oh, what's Capcom up to big hand-ringing big big hand-ringing and sweaty points? Because the mods to their PC games can relate to reputational damage and Thing and mods that are offensive to public order and morals are Bad they're cheating and mods that are offensive to public order and morals are bad. They're cheating. So it's really funny that everyone hopped on this and was like, but people make cool mods or things.

Starting point is 03:14:33 And it's like they're talking about that fucking idiot who had their new chunley mod show up on a fucking. That's what that is. That's obviously what they're talking about. That is the prime focus that makes it that that's very clear why this comes up. But they then did elaborate though, further on like that's the most obvious thing that they would have been salty about

Starting point is 03:14:56 and understandably because it's a tournament that's whatever being shown off in Yadda, but then they go on to elaborate that like, no, no, it's not just that. It's also that malicious mods can cause an additional workload for the devs because some of mods cause performance issues or can result in players losing saved data to which I know exactly what that's reference.

Starting point is 03:15:18 What is that reference? They're referencing having to patch Street Fighter 5 because of the net code, the, the home brew net code fix. That, the home brew net code fixed required development time to disable it. Oh, Jesus Christ. And they don't want to have to do that. Okay, okay, because I was like, anyone who's modding something, there's an obvious kind of buyer beware on the label, which is like, yeah, make a fucking backup And if you fuck up your install and something goes wrong, you better know how to undo that shit because you're fucking with the guts

Starting point is 03:15:55 But it's the fix that everyone installed when rollback didn't fucking work Right That's hilarious. How about you make it work from the jump guys? Yeah. Which they did. But fuck man, that's dumb. And here's the thing. If you want to, as far as the obvious, like, issue here

Starting point is 03:16:13 with the, the, the, the, uh, uh, uh, uh, what was it? The morals and public order. And so, dude, what is up with Japanese companies to saying the fucking moral order shit it's so weird look every other fucking PC replay that gets uploaded is not besides nude mods and shit is a bunch of just sick ass costumes and outfits and cosmetics that the characters have on how about you take fucking less than a year to get around to one

Starting point is 03:16:45 question. Wully, Wully. Listen. One, I know. Outfit. I know. Come here. We all saw the Jamie Dress costume that's coming down the pipe where Jamie's got his chest

Starting point is 03:17:00 out and everybody loves it. And I know we showed that to you, but we're not willing to sell it to you apparently ever. So don't you dare download a completely different costume of Zengif wearing a suit. I mean, I mean, like, I saw like, I think, um, uh, Vesper arcade shoutouts, they, you know, they, they fighting game news. And I think they were describing that like, while five launched way worse, the amount of costumes and cosmetic stuff they had by this story. It was, of course, really low.

Starting point is 03:17:35 But that they had by this point was much higher. And there's a lot of stuff coming out that is cosmetic, but it's all focused on the avatar side of things. But the regular alt costume stuff has gotten like shit all, you know? So I have a sneaking suspicion. This is based off of nothing. I don't know anything.

Starting point is 03:17:57 I don't know anybody inside. I have a sneaking suspicion. Part of the delay on those costumes is they can't agree on what to charge for them. Maybe, because those Ninja Turtle fucking things were like fucking 60 dollars. That was so ridiculous. And you know, and like the thought that it was like,

Starting point is 03:18:16 oh, is this just based on the licensing thing and it's like, no, because there's some like samurai stuff and other stuff they came out with. That's also pretty expensive, you know, for the drive tickets and stuff. So not necessarily. But I think it's like, people are always gonna mod cool shit

Starting point is 03:18:34 onto the PC version of the game as soon as they figure out how to. And as soon as you can do model swaps or so on, that's just gonna happen. But if you give people at least like like more costumes in the default game I think it's somewhat of an incentive to feel like maybe I don't have to go mod fucking you know whatever like captain commando industry fighter five because he's there, you know

Starting point is 03:18:58 Here's a good guy. Tell me that like nergigante blanca me that like... Nurgit Gante Blanca. You know? Are you guys telling me that like the mod that makes Jerry's phone a rat is offensive to the public? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. There's a lot of fun, there's a lot of fun goofy shit and it's like you should, you're never going to be able to stop that.

Starting point is 03:19:20 But if you could at least have the game itself have that much fun then, or have some thing to offer people because it's taken a long time to get to these costume threes man. Anyway I'm almost 40 years old and I remember as recent as like the year 2000 companies going you stop fucking with our games and that was like a year or two after fucking counter strike came out and Set the world on fire for being a mod like There was the whole period of Ubisoft Ruining every single game they put out for like 10 years with anti-piracy shit like it it's

Starting point is 03:20:07 It's so tired. Stop, stop, no, not you, oh, it's so painful and embarrassing. Again, if not for that nudely, new chunk thing, they probably wouldn't even be being discussed at this point, you know. But that was a high profile, what? But yeah, when you scroll, like if you just go over to like Reddit or whatever, you look at a high profile what? But yeah, when you scroll like if you when you just go over to like reddit or whatever You look at a bunch of replays or if you go to like a lot of the YouTube replay channels

Starting point is 03:20:31 They've got all kinds of wild outfits fucking popping off and then in the thumbnails and shit too as well and people go Wait, what how do I get that and then so on and so forth? So hey wait a second. Hey wait a second wait a second Fuck off, Capcom. The only reason Street Fighter is good now is because you stole a bunch of ideas from people making bullshit knockoffs of Street Fighter two. Like fucking air hurricane kicks

Starting point is 03:21:01 and fucking fake fire rainbow edition in the increased speed for fucking rainbow edition. Okay, it's okay when you steal it, but it's not okay when people do it in the first place. They stole it back. They stole it back because those, they weren't getting paid on those boards. They had to, they had to steal back the speed. It's a fucking bullshit. Hey, we're gonna make an entire video game franchise with like 4500 games that is an obvious rip off of Astro Boy. No, it's different. It's different.

Starting point is 03:21:38 I think at the end of the day, you have to imply, like, like, foot, foot porn is not offensive to public morals and decency, but straight up titties out is, right? That's the way that works. You can get all up on the sweaty gutter-juiced jury foot. You can watch the sweat trickle down between the toes as detail. I know what's on with fighting game players lately toes as detail the spot on the fighting game players lately, but like the foot the foot players the foot clan if it were, mm-hmm seem like wildly empowered lately like they they they've

Starting point is 03:22:14 fucking crawled out from the fucking shadows. I saw Grant the only the only thing I saw from Grand Blue Fantasy Vers. over the past week was people me versus shit posting foot clubs That was the only fucking screenshot I saw Just the default fucking World world tour fighter with the Wojack with the nose giant snoofe Inhaling the fucking the stink lines. God dammit. All right.

Starting point is 03:22:57 Anyway, so there's a street fighter has opened up their fucking cage and let them out with jury and it's not okay. up their fucking cage and let them out with jury and it's not okay. It's just it's just it's a bit it's a bit the time to start talking about public morals. It's a bit late. It's a lot. Yeah, when you put a foot fetish character in your fucking game, mother fuckers are They're Kate. They're scraping it on. But here we are. Alright. Some things got announced.

Starting point is 03:23:33 Some stuff worth checking out. In particular, this one that looks cool, there's a game called raw metal. Demo just dropped. Looks like I'm going to say Seafood meets the surge. You appear to be a robot walking through a exoplanet mining facility and you can do side dodges sweep like seafood style combat and and boss fights and customizing your robot and all kinds of shit that looks pretty dope. That does look like Seafood. Looks pretty good. But robots. Yeah. Playable demo out. Yeah, right now, so I'm going to check that out.

Starting point is 03:24:18 Probably this week actually. We'll see how long it is I'm not too sure. But yeah, check it out. We'll see how long it is I'm not too sure. But yeah, check it out. There was also a Kickstarter that dropped for Maoriachi Legends. And this thing just has gorgeous animation up front and then like combat focused, Batcher and Venia gameplay elements seems to be the tagline.

Starting point is 03:24:45 Again, as a Kickstarter, you know, the support with your own due diligence, though it seems to be like it's already hit its goal, so seems fine. But the animation certainly pulled me in right off the bat, like there's just incredible hand-drawn stuff and then in-game as well. Looks dope, looks like a

Starting point is 03:25:07 Almost almost as if a more Gritty serious take on something like guacamole, you know So check that out as well. Did you see... Did you see Zack Snyder's Dune? We have Dune at home. I'm sorry. What? What? Zack Snyder said, I want to make Dune.

Starting point is 03:25:43 Shut up, Zack! writer said I want to make Dune shut up Zach and so Netflix Rebel Moon part one a child of fire has released a trailer you can check out and I mean it it seems like Zack Snyder is really really like he's he's trying to do it you know maybe even his Star Wars whatever you whatever you want to you want to call it it is full of Snyderism I don't know how like this is movies make a lot of money, because like, man's never made a good movie. Why? Like, I don't get it. I, I, what did we say?

Starting point is 03:26:36 What was a sucker punch? Just, that could have been four music videos with nothing in between them, and that would have been fine. Just embrace the visuals, stop, don't even try to make sense of it and that would have been fine. Yeah. Did he stole parts of that movie? Oh, you mean Final Fantasy XIII? The train, the train scene? Yeah, he stole it. It's crazy. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:27:09 scene. Yeah, he stole it. It's crazy. Yeah. 300 was, you know, and applying his style to Frank Miller, you know, and getting what you get out of that. And then, of course, Sin City is like, when you don't have to do a Snyder version of it, but you can still take Frank Miller work and get some cool shit by, you know, although he got it, went wild with the slowed out and the, all the sniderism effects, but it was also, I think 300 was like, no one was really used to the sniderisms. Kind of like, um, you know, Shaman, but after a boat before it got played out, I feel like 300 aged like really badly. I have not seen it since the day it came out I bet I bet that movie's dog shit now I don't know I just I think it just

Starting point is 03:27:52 probably Again, it works in a bubble when there's nothing else to compare it to that like you're like oh, yeah Okay, but then when you start seeing it like in everything else he does you start to see the tricks and kind of like a David Cage bit, you're like, okay, we're on. We're gonna do the music video inside of the movie and we're gonna play the literal themes of the literal lyrics of what's happening because that's that's subtext. Fuck the cowards. Yeah, I bet I liked 300 a lot more considering it came out in 2006 back when I was day drinking between classes.

Starting point is 03:28:38 Yeah, we will see, but you know, when I see this kind of setting, it's like, all right, well, at least he's these like the trailer has a moment where it says like no there are no heroes or so and it's like right You're basically saying capes shit behind me Like it just it just fucking like spotlights that mo, you know like oh boy woof woof our bark Anyways, alright boy wolf wolf arth bark anyways alright there's there's it's not even there was a thing that that I Hey man David Lynch couldn't do it but fuck me I can do it David Lynch sucks wall where's that's a direct quote from Zack Snyder that I just invented. There you go.

Starting point is 03:29:25 Um, while we're... Hey, this is an asshole thing to say, but I'm gonna say it. The fact that he's name is Zack makes me take him so much less seriously. I just said seriously, goddammit. Fuck. I'm gonna give up on that whole tangent. I ruined it. That sounds like a good idea. Um, yeah. There's another one here that's, I was gonna bring up, but it's not, there's nothing to it. Project Sigma was this, this Titanfall at home. You can, you can go watch it. Yeah, there's not much it

Starting point is 03:30:06 Is it wrong? I hear you say project sigma and I'm just I started to giggle because I thought Like it's the more sigma has been completely ruined for me. Oh, absolutely. It's complete. Oh, it's it's It's in the dirt. I mean we do need to find out why they are more attractive than alpha males I don't know if we will see why there's only one way to find out why they are more attractive than alpha males. I don't know if we have the wills. Yeah, that's why. There's only one way to find out, and that's by tuning into the Anthony Spade channel. Tune in for your daily red pill. Rawr.

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Starting point is 03:31:08 Castle super beast you can send in an email send it in and have it be brief and we'll read it and it'll be a good email and everyone will have a great time. All right. We got one coming in from Captain Invictus who says, hey there, yeah no, and scrim bloven. I can do that. Do you ever have any sort of eccentricities with honoring something? Not sure if that's the right word, but when I watch an LP of a game I haven't played and I really enjoy it, I'll go and buy that game on steam if I can, as a thank you to the dev for making a game that was on stream that I greatly enjoyed, even though I know that I'll likely never play it myself.

Starting point is 03:31:42 Barely have time of these days, often watching LPs during down time that's at work. Do you have any sort of mental itch like this for something that's an unnecessary make good or compensation for something you appreciate? Yeah, when the PS2 came out, I pirated absolutely everything and I only bought the games that were good. And that's how I got in a persona because I pirated Persona 4 and played it for about three,

Starting point is 03:32:03 four hours and was like, holy shit. And then I went to my local EB games and bought P3 and P4 on the spot. I don't know if this really applies, but like the way, I guess the like Dordash and like kind of Uber Eats delivery system stuff works is like you kinda, it has a preemptive tip thing when you go to apply, when you go to order. Yeah. And like there's cases I've had of like mother fuckers,

Starting point is 03:32:40 like stealing my shit or like, I've had my shit stolen. And all kinds of weird stuff and like the idea of like that person gets to steal that on top or just be shitty about the drop off and on top of getting like a tip preemptively sucks. So I'm like you have to like go in and put it to zero initially, which I feel like some people after they deliver might be like, Oh no, like what happened, but I, anytime someone, I hope you enjoy your piss, or well, that, that obviously after that, once it's in, you then do

Starting point is 03:33:17 the rating review. And then on that point, I overcompensate and tip very generously. Okay, so that's great for the guy. I hope you enjoy your piss. I don't think it's it. It it it's not it's only until after the delivery anyways, like when they show you what what they see it's like, it's it's upon receipt and closing of the deal that like all of that goes through anyways. But it's just the way it enters is you can essentially get locked into tipping someone who fucking steals your shit

Starting point is 03:33:47 and or is an asshole and or is amongst some of the awful experiences I've had. So for me when I was doing that a lot, I would, so you just go, I would always pre-tip the tip amount. And then when, if and when the guy stole my food, I would contact support and I'd be like, what's the problem with your order? And I wouldn't be like, I didn't receive it, I'd be like, he stole it. So I can, I saw his car never come within 15 blocks of my house and then marked delivery

Starting point is 03:34:19 completed. Yes. And then he sent me a text message that said, mm, hungry, I'm numb, numb, numb, numb. So that, yeah, that's usually what happens. And then they go, like, all right, whatever he's the refund or yet, yeah, that, but, uh, yeah, I, I, but that that preemptive, I don't know if that, if that comes back or not, as part of the, the thing.

Starting point is 03:34:46 No, actually the actual reality currently is that your order gets associated with, there's no tip on this order, so they leave it to the dead last on the priority chain. Well, in any case, my point is mainly that doing it in that order, I have been extremely generous with the tip, but just doing it on delivery, as opposed to preemptively, which is, so that's pretty much the closest thing I guess. I mean, this is kind of tipping, but the less somebody talks to me when I'm at a restaurant, the more I tip them. I always tip them the minimum, which to me is like usually 20%. And then if they don't talk to me, unless I flag them down, then they're probably

Starting point is 03:35:27 going to get more, because I like the part where you don't talk to me. Yeah, I mean, as the meme went, it's like Uber driver, dot, dot, dot, me, dot, dot, dot, five stars. You know, so all right, we got one coming in. All right, we got one coming in. From Biggie, dear block button and drive impact, given that RGG studio was, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Starting point is 03:35:57 Am I block button or you block button? I want to be drive impact. I don't, I don't, but I don't really block. That'll block much, if ever, really say, also hate blocking. I just want to, I don't, but I don't really block. I don't block much, if ever, really. Say, also hate blocking. I just wanna, I don't know. Well, you can have it then, I'll be blog. Um, given that RGG studio was the people that made the recent remaster of VF5,

Starting point is 03:36:20 what would you think if they made a new Virtua Fighter from the ground up, possibly adding a bunch of yet as a character to the roster? Yeah, yeah, that's never gonna happen. But, um, there's like a, you play fighting Vipers 2 and Sonic the Fighters in Yakuza, sorry, like a Dragon Guiden right now, and they're easily the best versions of those games that I've ever existed. So I think that like Eventually a new virtual fighter is going to happen. I just think it is gonna take a while It'll be fucking possibly years. Yeah, they need to think up an innovative new way to make sure it doesn't sell any copies and I could see it as well being like

Starting point is 03:37:00 Brought it like I could see it being a we're gonna take whatever staff was around for the last re-release stages did, plus some of the RGG team that are available, because clearly they, you know, keep including it in a way that, like, they're close to the franchise. But I just think this is gonna be years before you get to see this. But at some point, in your long life, you know, God's willing, you're gonna hear the word virtue fighter again. Eyes are fully glazing over, as you say, virtue fighter. The pain is too deep.

Starting point is 03:37:34 Yeah. I can't bear myself to feel. It's like, it's just, it's one of those things where, like I've been using this answer recently a bunch, but it's it's the real like look life is long, man You know it might you might it might be fucking 15 years before you hear the name again, but at some point you're gonna hear it again Yeah All right, here's one coming in from Andy. He says, boy, oh, so I'll try to keep it short.

Starting point is 03:38:06 A lot of games use some form of diagetic storytelling like books, emails, audio logs, etc. I only think on rare occasion they've been done well, like MGS 5's long form logs or controls classified documents. All other games and their worlds often feel half baked and stuffing bookshelves or computers and things like that. It's really bad in like a lot of games. Taking time to read them feels like a chore and often breaks the flow of gameplay. I realize they're not mandatory, but sometimes it feels the developers are just checking a box on a list of content rather than doing something creative.

Starting point is 03:38:41 How do you feel about delivering stories this way? And do you feel about delivering stories this way? And do you? So my first thing that I will say is that MGS 5's like audio tapes are terrible. They're absurd. Like so many of them are so important to the overall context of the story. And like there's no good version. Like listening to them as you are doing the regular gameplay makes it harder to hear guards in your vicinity, but then sitting there and just listening to fucking tapes for hours is God awful. I like the idea of being able to listen to the logs while you play so it doesn't slow you down, but when audio is mandatory for those sections, it makes it rough.

Starting point is 03:39:26 So if there was a, if there was a way to play through a segment of the game where you didn't have to pay attention that much to the sound, that would be the perfect chance to listen to things like that. I like. So I'm just five, like people are pointing out in chat. Like you should have been able to watch. Cause ofher Miller and Kotalker invent the chemical burger. Like that should not have been an audio log. You should have watched them in the kitchen inventing the chemical burger.

Starting point is 03:39:55 Um, I think Bioshock one was my first experience with like audio. One of the worst ever in this respect. Terrible. I don't know if there was any before that that I experienced. I can't think of any. I think the biggest part of it is like,

Starting point is 03:40:16 does this shit even make sense within its own context? Like in Bioshock, one and two, and infinite, like why are you writing down your work order in like a record player and then leaving it on your office it's like 10 pounds it's like what why and so I can find it and the thing is too is like some of the some of the examples of like that I can think of as well or shit that I actually really liked like the backstory and logs in doom and doom eternal are awesome expanded content for those worlds but you either have to stand at a statue or read through the

Starting point is 03:40:57 codex on the pause screen to get to it you know. So I'm okay with finding better ways to deliver that lore in game. I don't mind the idea of like multitasking while we're learning about the past, but just make sure that it's not distracting from the task at hand and I'd be super fine with that. So we got that asked in the chat pointing out that in the last of us, the hospital audio logs are being recorded within seconds of care. I see you arrived there. They're like walking out of frame, immediately grabbing a fucking tape recorder and speaking

Starting point is 03:41:36 to it. It's happening right now. Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. I think there's, I think there's a really core problem with the concept of audio logs and that is people don't dictate into cassette tapes very much. People don't like the average audio log should be a notepad that says groceries and then has four items and then like half a word. The Gears of the Four Walk and Talk is also a pace killer though. Like, that was also a load screen.

Starting point is 03:42:10 It was a loading screen. It was a secret loading screen and yeah, and you felt it. Like yes, at the time when all you had were cutting to a black piece of art to show you something in the next level loads, sure. But here, you still fucking felt what was going on there.

Starting point is 03:42:27 You're not that clever. You know what's Metroid Elevator? You must really strange is that despite ostensibly it being exactly the same thing in human revolution and mankind divided, breaking into people's email addresses and reading their fucking emails feels completely different. Right.

Starting point is 03:42:43 Because they're all written like a real email that you would find. It makes sense that they would actually write it in most cases and you had to go get it. You had to, you were, you were, you were sneaking in hacker password or some shit to get it. That's a good example.

Starting point is 03:42:58 Yeah, I'd say so for sure. Yeah, I, I just, you played Boshok one, right? Yeah, you were just talking about it. Yeah. Okay. Do you remember how like The big twist in that game is is really cool, but I recently replayed it like last year most people forget that right before the big cool twist, they actually do some embarrassing hack shit, like one room before it. Like one room before would you kindly, you get like a gigantic room with a bunch of photos of you and a bunch of arrows pointing to an audio log with a big in-blood on the wall going

Starting point is 03:43:47 would you kindly? Oh yeah actually I do remember that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's fucking it's a heck shit but for some reason everyone forgets it because the actual core of the twist is good but like the actual implementation of it is terrible. It spoils it before you get to the room where the thing is revealed. I think it was just something that wasn't really done and it were expected at the time. I think that's what it is, yeah. Because I feel like I read that and didn't fully understand the context of that what I saw it like I think the I know who doesn't need

Starting point is 03:44:31 Bucking audio logs is fucking jaws a major you sure No, anyways, though. I think I think MGS 5 would have been fine if the context didn't interrupt your actual gameplay in a way that was detrimental. Also I will say there's another problem with MGS 5's cassette tapes. There's no, maybe I'm wrong. Hey, I'm going to put my hands up. If somebody tells me I'm wrong, I'll admit it. I don't think there's a way when you're sneaking around to quickly pause the tape.

Starting point is 03:45:08 No, I don't think you can. I think it was like, yeah. Okay, because that was a massive problem for me when I tried to play the game. I think you had to reload it fast forward to the part and then unpause, yeah. Okay, because every single, like, because I live, you know, I'm living with my girlfriend,

Starting point is 03:45:23 now wife, you know, there's a cat doing stuff. Now I have a baby. Sometimes I have to pause the game and stand up and go do something. And I would pause and the fucking tape would keep playing. And I'd be like, oh, fuck, oh, oh, and they're like 15 minutes long, it sucked. It kind of killed my desire.

Starting point is 03:45:48 I've still never played MGS5 for more than the first or second mission. Because of this. Interesting. I ended up just sitting on the pause screen like whatever I wanted to listen to any of them, but I also played it off screen. Yeah, dude, that also sucks.

Starting point is 03:46:01 Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just sat there and listening to fucking audio tapes for hours. I just sat there and, yeah, you know, what I was gonna say. Oh, yes. So the, the walk-in talk slash codec discussion, et cetera, while you move and play in a way that's not detrimental, I think, God of War. Right? Walking around with Atreas. You haven't played Ragnaron? No, no, but I'm talking about the the first one. You know, the moments in between downtime where you have little conversations and then

Starting point is 03:46:38 you just move on to the next bit. All the way up to the finale, right? Is just like in transition between battles, we're having a little conversation. And I think that, like, I feel like those words. So you're right, forgot of War 2018, for Ragnarok, you are so wrong, because holy shit, dude. I'm talking about that one. There are like massive hour to hour long sequences of what are essentially walkin' talks.

Starting point is 03:47:04 Okay. And it's like, oh, yeah. I'm not good. Yeah. I'm talking about the first one. Yeah. I like they put in the new game plus and they let you play with all the weapons early. And I'm like, that fucking sounds awesome. And then I remember that you got to play as a different character than Kratos in that game. And when I'm never, ever ever ever ever gonna replay that game ever again Terrible terrible All right

Starting point is 03:47:36 That'll do Um Is this what we're going with down here that you sent me? Is that what we're going with? Oh yeah, no, no, I don't know about that. I just saw that and I was like, I, I, I recoiled from the fucking screen when I saw Zenith post the phrase a link between Wounds. Physically recoiled when I saw that in our earlier conversation. Perfect.

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