Castle Super Beast - CSB324: Wuwa Goonlikes: Don’t Skong My Rog

Starting point is 00:00:00 ["Sailor Moon Theme"] Yo, yo, what's up? Hey, Wully. How are you doing, man? A little tired, but let's try to make it happen. It's one of those weeks where there's three topics but those three topics explode into about 30 to 40 subtopics each. I took a day off yesterday. The first day in how long? That was 30 days. That's insanity? There was a lot going on. That's crazy. That's insanity. There was a lot going on. That's crazy

Starting point is 00:01:09 Wow goddamn, how are you feeling? Right now I feel pretty good. I'm a little sleepy, but that has nothing to do with any of that that has to do with the boy Going dead at 610 Right, you could have gone another three days and da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da, The other day and my wife told me I couldn't go to work the next day and I was like, okay It was forbidden That's you know, I feel pretty bad. Yeah finished. I finished. I think was Eliza P stream I think it was and she was like you look terrible and I'm like I feel terrible and then she's like no more

Starting point is 00:02:00 No more streaming now good on good on page. That's that's great. That's awesome Yeah, I I Back in it today with you Right back in let's go. I mean I don't even know how to how to You know you go about it like you're like yeah, no 30 days go And I'm just like cool, and I'm like you know it's almost like you're like yeah Look the veins are not even showing like that's I'm just like cool, and I'm like you know it's almost like you're like yeah look the veins are not even Showing like that's I can just get right in there

Starting point is 00:02:28 You know what I get you know who I'm gonna blame the bell lame. I'm gonna blame a single individual mm-hmm for Starting to feel the tinge of a burnout mm-hmm that person's day nine mm-hmm the PC gaming show What this year's PC gaming show was like the worst show? Okay, multiple years, so the thing is is these shows also like the when I look at the video after the fact to catch up and I look at Sony's and I Go, okay. this is about 55 minutes

Starting point is 00:03:06 Let's see what's going on and I see the Xbox one and it's an hour and a half and you're like, okay And then I go and I look at fucking Jeff Keely's and I see three some odd hours and I'm like, what are we doing over? Okay, so the Key this the keely's were less than that. Yes, the extra was fluff. Yeah. But what you're forgetting, so that'll tone it down. But what you're forgetting is the 30 minimum minute pre and post, which is mandatory, totally mandatory.

Starting point is 00:03:41 John Ralphio coming in to pitch some funny Out worlds is John Ralphio Sonic the Hedgehog Yeah, that's weird Yeah, and and and you were gonna come in to do some like half an hour of post show skits You know to really pad it out there, but yeah, what's going on a PC because to be perfectly honest? I'm like I don't have time for this and I and I don't care. I'm not even gonna pretend. I'll just let you take some There were like there was an ultra kill trailer, okay, which is a game that's technically out I care about ultra kill That's cool. That's good and There were I

Starting point is 00:04:20 You know, I tend to exaggerate Genuinely, like I tend to My number game is really bad. I think there must have been at least 25 different building games where you're doing a factorio or satisfactory thing on a grid of various types. It might not be quite as high as 25, but it was a wildly, wildly disproportionate amount of the stuff they showed there. It looks like what the kids are calling, thank you Jsue993, factory slop. Ah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.

Starting point is 00:04:58 And hey, you know what? Before we go on, there's a great thread. There's a great thread on our subreddit about how much people hate the term friend slop, which I had never heard of until I saw that. I never heard that either. And friend slop is slop that you have to play with your friends. And this was a couple days ago, I heard the term Perry slop referring to expedition 33. Okay. Okay. Now, now, according to now, Guna out there has, has, uh, announced that we are officially entering the era of tag slop. Tag slop. That's right. Tag slop is now where we're going with fighting games.

Starting point is 00:05:41 Right. And like I was, I was initially a little, I was initially a little like on the fence about slop use until I was browsing on that internet and I saw a friend of the show, One Hattuck, post an edited screenshot of that dipshit from Sonic Adventure, saying I've combined the word slop and the word slop together to create a new word I call slop slop. Yeah, okay. Sonic 06, sorry. Okay, okay.

Starting point is 00:06:16 And now I've turned all the way around. We're in the slop era. I think calling things slop is hilarious. So I mean, as someone who has officially attached my brand to the word to slop with slop streaming, you know, make no mistake, I stand behind and support it entirely. As I was, you know, skipping through take to see what was going on. I definitely like, I had my own mental coined word as I was just going, seeing all these trailers or whatever. And every once in a while something would pop up

Starting point is 00:06:53 with what I could call a quirk slop. Yeah. Right? And you know, you see like, oh, quirky, quirky game slop, right? What's going on over here? Yeah, wholesome slop. We're being weird, we're being ooh, you know? Something, what was it?

Starting point is 00:07:07 It's first person quirky weird stuff's happening. It's super, yeah. So no, you know, that is, that much is clear. And also during- Let's push it. I think, I think the, was it the Sony one or the, no, it was the Summer Games Fest one where I think we were watching some, were watching woo-wah mm-hmm a trailer for woo-wah and I'm like what is this a fucking goon like you know I the

Starting point is 00:07:37 fact that video games have such terrible genre definitions and naming conventions it's starting to turn around though it's's paying off. It's around. Yeah Yeah, yeah, we wrote it out long enough and now this shit's starting to come back. Yeah, a hundred percent We might be on the upswing People know what that is, of course a wood the ring waves like horny waifu based, pop your money in for minimal actual depth and content, but enjoy the aesthetics and get a boner. 100% Wu Wugun likes. Yeah, I'm in there.

Starting point is 00:08:14 I know what you mean. Video games are so fucking stupid. And boy, what a great week for the highs and lows of video games. Hmm. Yeah, I mean, look, this is one of those fill your plate up buffet style news weeks. So this would be a great week for us to have no games to talk about. But unfortunately that is not the case. God forbid a fucking new console Okay, so on the console launch I actually have so little to say

Starting point is 00:08:58 Because I have not done anything with it because I was not planning to get one and then a Sponsorship offer came in and I went alright fine, so then I was planning to just do I I'm like all for what? Well type it type it type it to pet. I want to know Okay, is it Mario? I mean, I'm not gonna say out loud, but no no that's why I say the types Oh, that's the wrong person That's oh dude here we go. Oh, that's so fucking funny. Love love that fun. Mm-hmm I Was not planning. Okay. Okay. I was not planning to get to get one for a while You know, I was just like whenever that something would strike me as needed or whatever

Starting point is 00:09:39 but then You know there was like a yeah. Okay. This is a thing So it's like all right Let me just try to go see if I can get one and then it was like, yeah, okay, this is a thing. So I was like, all right, let me just try to go to see if I can get one. And then it was like, okay, well, can you confirm these dates and these dates and whatever? And I was like, I can't because I don't know if I'll get one.

Starting point is 00:09:52 So we'll have to see how that looks. And I literally walked out and there was two people in front of me and that was because we all walked in at the same time and there was completely zero difficulty whatsoever and I was like, huh, this is the quietest launch I've ever seen, gee, I wonder fucking why you know, I I have a couple of

Starting point is 00:10:10 Thoughts about that So first of all, I want to give a shout out to Canada computers for running out of stock and then taking my money upfront And then just having shit all and then I asked them a refund and they just refunded me So hey, that was a net neutral okay experience. Canada computers has been pretty solid in my experience over here. They just ran out and they didn't have the allotment they thought they had. Nice. I want to give Amazon a shout out because they own us but also aside from that I won the little lottery and I ordered one and they sent it and I have it now

Starting point is 00:10:46 Okay, came in a box and my delivery driver didn't steal it. Okay. I didn't get a controller I thought that was those were gone immediately. So okay. So here's a fun one. Here's a fun one boo Best Buy I got a controller from Best Buy and The difference between having that shipped to me via Best Buy versus having it shipped to me via Amazon? World of difference. I got the controller, I got a switch and a controller and the camera from Amazon. You know what that came in? A

Starting point is 00:11:18 generic-ass Amazon box. I got the fucking Best Buy controller and it came with special anti-tamper tape that I have never seen in my life that might as well scream limited item please steal. Advertising on the fucking doorstep. Oh man, yeah. No, you got to strip the packaging off at this point. Now my mailman's cool. She's a cool lady. She likes the baby. I wave to her. It's a whole fucking thing, right? So I'm not too worried about it. But no!

Starting point is 00:11:50 Don't do that! Yeah, I mean, it depends on where you live and what's up. I have friends that are literally doors facing a main street with no. Oh, that's cooked. And there's no distance whatsoever. You're just stepping by the bakery, and then, hey, look, front front door and then the kouchtard

Starting point is 00:12:07 So, you know If you're Nintendo switch to the the main thing is one it's pretty expensive It's more expensive than usual that that doesn't that that helps for trying to get a day one unit But the other thing is that because of them them their economic uncertainties Nintendo like they there are so many fucking units. There are so many fucking units out there. Just to be safe. Like, scalpers are fucking fucked on this one.

Starting point is 00:12:39 Like, there's every Costco, I have spoken to anybody who's gone to a Costco recently, they're like, yeah, there's a pallet I have spoken to anybody who's gone to a Costco recently, they're like, yeah, there's a pallet with like hundreds of the fucking things just sitting in the middle of the floor. Anticipating a potential crazy rush because of tariffs and all that stuff, for sure, no doubt. It was just insane to me when I walked out of there and I was holding the box and I was holding two physical games and I had a bill that said a thousand dollars

Starting point is 00:13:07 on it. That is a type of sticker shock. Yeah. And I'm like, we're going to talk about that later. Yeah. And I'm just like, well, fuck it. We're going to talk about it right now. Well, it's just, it's just real simple because I'm just like, yeah, I, I, you know, this

Starting point is 00:13:20 is something that is a business expense and I can, we have the benefit of being able to claim that not everybody certainly most people do not but looking at that say a thousand fucking plus dollars is Psychotic to me walking out of the shop so I remember talking about and I guess we'll talk about this piece of news because at Microsoft is doing a Xbox handheld with Asus. Ah, the rogue ally.

Starting point is 00:13:47 Yeah, but the Xbox version. And I remember talking, remember when they said that the next Xbox console would be like the biggest, bestest slash probably most expensive Xbox that's ever existed? No, but sure. They did. It was like a direct quote. They were working on the strongest ever, blah sure. They did. It was like a direct quote. They were working on the strongest ever blah blah blah. And then all this terror shit happened and the Nintendo and I was like,

Starting point is 00:14:11 man, I don't think anyone has the fucking stomach for fucking 1200 USD Xbox. Right. And so I guess they agreed because here comes an eight to nine hundred dollar USD Xbox pocket that was announced maybe at the worst possible date imaginable. The like the day after the switch is doing like PS2 numbers. I'm in just just the like what the why did you wait? Uh, I'm sure- Also it's huge, have you seen it? It's like the size of a fucking keyboard. It's enormous. So because the- because the- the ad for it, the- the release- the reveal was in virtual fucking float green space,

Starting point is 00:14:57 it was impossible to actually tell the size of it. You can see, um, fucking, uh, Phil hold one, I think, at one point, and it's enormous. It looks like the size of a full-size keyboard. I feel like the Switch 2 is enormous compared to the Switch, but like... It is, it's a little bigger. But now we're in... It's about the same weight! Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:20 But we're in Steam Deck territory now, where that's the size, like massive sort of tablet-sized console is where we're in Steam Deck territory now. We're like, that's the size. Like massive sort of tablet sized console is where we're at. I think the Switch too, because it's about the same weight as the Switch, but it's larger. I find it actually easier to hold. Hmm. I prefer the smaller screens in general, I think, for my portables in this case. But regardless though- Is the Switch a portable? It's supposed to be.

Starting point is 00:15:46 Because to me portable has always meant I put my DS light in my pocket. Yeah, but the whole point to me of these things is still supposed to be you take it with you on the go elsewhere. No, no, no. Well now, I feel like now the idea is less of you whip it out on the bus and more of a I'm bringing with me on vacation, you know.

Starting point is 00:16:08 No, man, there's there. I've discovered the ultimate use case for the portable switch system. And that is I want to play Age of Calamity at a decent framerate, which is incredible, by the way. Wow, that game was like annihilated by its own technical issues that games great I can't believe they let it release like that But I don't want to fry my infants toddler brain with dopamine Mm-hmm all right kid yeah with your blocks all right I'm gonna play with my toy up here where you can't see it yeah, where you know can't see That's a particular use case for you and your family that is excellent and works out but I'm just going off actually gonna be a fairly popular use case amongst like anybody with a child I mean okay but don't look at it Billy it'll fuck your brain up daddy's brain is already ruined there's no hope okay the continuity of thought in Nintendo handheld consoles

Starting point is 00:17:06 has been you have your Game Boy in your pocket, you got your Game Boy Advance in your pocket, you got your DS in your pocket, you whip out the thing, you play wherever. That's always been the idea. Switch being a little bit bigger was like, ah, we're committing to a bigger screen. And we're replacing the handheld and home console idea

Starting point is 00:17:23 by putting them all together in one. But now you're getting a like, it's portable. It's not necessarily for you to hold in your pocket per se, but you can force it in that situation if you want. Now the screens are big enough that it's like, yeah, you're not really supposed to put a steam deck in your pocket or so. It's a tablet exactly. But I guess the idea is because we've found spaces to walk around or have tablets, you know, maybe like, I don't know, bring it with you to whatever. Your messenger bag on your bicycle as you go to your social media job and hopefully don't get hit by a car. I think the, I guess the end point is the old handhelds were

Starting point is 00:18:01 meant to be used in transit and then this is meant to be used at the destination that you arrive at. The other thing is the old handhelds were also meant to be used hidden in your pocket in elementary school. That was very easy to do so, yes. Like the Game Boy, it was a brick, but it was a brick you could hide

Starting point is 00:18:20 in your fucking eight-year-old pocket. Okay. And play fuckingans under your desk Yeah, so so it's a really slick system. It's nice to play games at real framerates mm-hmm tears of the Kingdom feels tears of the Kingdom's HD upgrade whatever feels like I'm committing a crime according to Nintendo playing that game at like a locked 4k 60 feels like I'm committing a crime according to Nintendo. Playing that game at like a locked 4k60 feels like it actually just makes me resentful that

Starting point is 00:18:53 they didn't just wait on that game. It's ridiculous. Yeah, so I guess I wonder like what the, you know, like how far can you go with size until it's like, well, what is this, what is this use case for? You know, like I guess you can- That's what she said. A half a laptop, I mean, shit, you know, sure, yep. I think that Xbox one is going to be uniquely terrible

Starting point is 00:19:22 for a lot of reasons. And the number one of which is the my favorite feature about that Xbox thing is it has real controller handles on the sides ensuring you will never be able to get it into any flat bag or surface ever. No you need a case that that whatever that case comes with or whatever you get yeah 100% and I guess it's the game pass box slash you can get Steam shit going on it so yeah there you go but those itches are already scratched by other devices So I kind of like I don't know what this is for

Starting point is 00:19:52 I'm also wondering at one point the generation proper is going to just go here is a fucking PC tower This is your new console. There's a sticker on it that says I mean, you know Xbox there with an eyeball on it. It's halfway there. It really is... That's most of the way there. And as you can see, I use it for its designated purpose, which is a sponsored prop item for Persona 5 Royale.

Starting point is 00:20:21 The Devil May Cry 5 demo machine. But anyways, whatever. all this to say so yeah, there's a bunch of shit with the new console out this week. I Booted it up. I installed some stuff and that was and transferred my saves and that's all I did. I have not Done anything with it. I barely did much at all actually Spike getting new console. I have this thing That I have to do which is called be an adult and have responsibilities and shit. Yeah. So I played it for like a couple hours last night. The games that have switch

Starting point is 00:20:54 upgrades, switch two upgrades, they feel criminal, they feel like ridiculous, it's unreal. I tried out a bunch of the Xenoblade games. I tried out Age of Calamity. I tried out Metroid Dread and Astral Chain. And even if the game does not have a patch or upgrade or whatever, it's just the same ass game, it's going to hit whatever frame rate cap it had. Okay. 100% of the time. The whole time.

Starting point is 00:21:23 If it had dynamic resolution, it would be at the highest dynamic resolution time, the whole time. If it had dynamic resolution, it will be at the highest dynamic resolution it allowed the whole time. So docked but not docked, you know? Even undocked, yeah. Okay. There's no more slowdown on any Switch One game that I played. Oh yeah. I remember playing Xenoblade 2 and just turning the camera and it would be like, and then

Starting point is 00:21:44 like, oh, this doesn't feel good at all. That is to say anything, the way anything ran docked on Switch one now runs that way undocked on Switch two. The question is, are there noticeable differences between running a Switch two game docked and undocked? I don't know. Okay. I didn't try Mario Kart on docked, but considering we're like Mario Kart is like 4k 60 on docked and 1080p 60 on

Starting point is 00:22:15 Undocked like that's a way easier jump That's like six times as much processing power so so it's probably gonna be just completely fine. Okay So yeah, you can't worry about it But it's really nice to have a Nintendo games Look and run well And I know that Nintendo games like Nintendo has been really super serious about like hitting their their targets So like when they said hey the game is gonna run at 60 FPS on whatever be it Metroid or you know? Odyssey or whatever it fucking hits it

Starting point is 00:22:49 Right mm-hmm, and so now they're gonna. Be like hey Donkey Kong's gonna be 4k 60 or whatever the fuck It's like great awesome fantastic if you're really insane you can turn the system resolution down to 1080 and run shit like Mario Kart at 120 Which is nuts down to 1080 and run shit like Mario Kart at 120, which is nuts. I'm not gonna though. Yeah, and I guess I just don't see situations where anything that's not exclusive, I don't know why I'd necessarily go grab

Starting point is 00:23:20 the Switch version particularly. So you can play it on the bus. So hey, I might re-buy 13 Sentinels on the Switch, you know why? Wow, okay. Because I'm more likely to have a Switch hooked up than a PlayStation. Huh. Okay. Or Unicorn Overlord or something like that.

Starting point is 00:23:39 Because I know it's never going to come to PC. Yeah, I guess I just... it's a different use case entirely. Hades 2 I might grab on the Switch too, depending on how it runs. Okay. I was tempted to get Street Fighter until I saw that people were talking about that it looks really bad.

Starting point is 00:23:58 Oh yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. I wanna go see that, like that fucking calorie mode or whatever I'm just like what eh anyway um oh and I have used the pro controller a lot. It's really quite excellent It's a fantastic fucking controller It is the the the triggers are my favorite triggers in that there But this is not a this is not this old one, but they're buttons and you know what yes That's what I want for my trigger. I want a fucking button. I don't give a shit about ooh. It's like pulling a gun

Starting point is 00:24:29 I don't give a fuck Or a single shit or at least a little switch in the back that gives you the option to toggle between You know the depth on the impact or so And the battery lasts forever so yeah super good super cool piece of kit Super solid everything Everything I've played on it runs and looks great. It gives me a great excuse to go back and play a ton of Switch 1 games that I didn't get around to. I also noticed this time around, I think I've completely let go of the... When it was like,

Starting point is 00:24:59 oh, I'm grabbing it, it's like, oh, do you want to get a little protective like screen thing or case? I was like no No, it's not gonna need that, you know, that's those days are gone adult I take care of my things and this will spend most of its time docked anyway So it is docked in a place the baby can't reach Right now the plot to it. It's official. We no longer need the plastic screen protector. It's well There is a plastic screen protector on it. Like, by default. Oh. Don't remove it.

Starting point is 00:25:31 Oh, interesting. There is one there. OK, cool. Yeah, there's one on there right now. Good to know. All right. But yeah, I've crossed that threshold in my life, I think. OK, so yeah, let's get moving with stuff,

Starting point is 00:25:43 because there's a lot, for sure. Also, the dock is better. better it's not as tight so it's not going to scratch the screen. I don't like the rounded part the top of the like there's like a bezel and then like the top part is curved and I don't like how that sits as much because of the way I like the previous ones kind of. It's for the fans and shit. Yeah the previous one was flatter and it kind of like it tucked in nicer to where I have it set up Yeah, I'm hiding mine behind the television so like that doesn't affect me at all because it's literally hidden from sight. Okay Yeah, again. I have I have a weird use case where I'm fitting it into the shelf of stuff Okay, it's like when the PS5 came out

Starting point is 00:26:20 I'm like how am I supposed to stack my Xbox on this curved piece of shit? But the answer is you have to move your whole setup around the PS5 like in the PS5 came out and like how am I supposed to stack my Xbox on this curved piece of shit? But the answer is you have to move your whole setup around the PS5 like if the PS5 determines how life around it will go You know that feels deliberate to it does Alright, let's start. Wully. What did you do look at play or experience within your week of life? Okay, this past one one second second let me just there we go woo a goon like has been entered the first thing I'll say is I went back to do the epilogue so to speak of cyberpunk we just went back to watch some of the extra endings and some of the stuff I didn't see and some of the

Starting point is 00:27:00 stuff I missed and the cyberpunk endings are fucking great. Very cool. I like the, there's a theming to them that has like, there's a tarot card theme and then there's a, and there's a particular song. The mission name is the name of a famous song, and like different endings all lead to different song tracks.

Starting point is 00:27:25 Don't fear the reaper, you know, or, shit, I forgot the one we got. But anyway, there's some cool stuff like that that's interesting. The way things kind of pan out, looking at the greater context and sort of started seeing some of those other endings, like yeah, there's some real fun extra going on with a lot of the characters and relationships

Starting point is 00:27:50 you have. And in particular, there's a sec, there's a part of the game where you get calls while the credits are rolling. So you have the, you have your ending and then you have all your, all your contacts and people that you know, or met calling into chat with you. Also, they're in a really small window, and it's in real time, so they look amazing. Their frame rate and lighting is so perfect. It's the best, they look the best they've ever looked because they're just being rendered in a tiny little vid window, you know?

Starting point is 00:28:18 But all that to say that the, there's a bunch of really cool ones and some phenomenal character, I guess, like acting moments and some monologues where they really just fully embrace... Sprite finish line. So your diehard man monologue kind of thing, you have a bunch of those coming off of some of these characters depending on how things play out, you know? Very, very phenomenal performances from the cast in those endings.

Starting point is 00:28:50 And in particular, you can def, like we went and did the Phantom Liberty ending, so to speak, not the ending to the DLC, but the ending that came out with the DLC. And it's insane how much extra gets put into that. You just kind of see this as the like, OK, you're coming back to the game after two years, or however long it's been, and you're

Starting point is 00:29:12 going to get a massive reward with so much extra context. And it's absurd the quality difference, of course, between what they did on launch and then what they got to with the end of Family. Witcher 3 had that also. Right, right. So at the end of Blood and Wine, you would get an ending that took place like decades after your main game ending.

Starting point is 00:29:39 And just be like, well, here's what the fuck happened to Geralt. Here's basically the rest of his life. Yep. And so, you know, similar things happen where you just you see way more than just a couple conversations, you know, like there's a lot extra fleshed out there. And yeah, if if that baseline quality is what can be expected going into the next project. Is it Orion? Or, anyway, whatever the next Cyberpunk project name was, that's gonna be a phenomenal starting point, for sure. So. There's a really interesting quote, I'm gonna butcher it, this is a paraphrase from CD Projekt,

Starting point is 00:30:21 where they basically said, yeah, we were kinda huffing our own farts after Witcher 3, which is why Cyberpunk came out like it did. Like, they kind of like left their best practices by the wayside and had a little bit of that Bioware magic going on, because dude, we made the best RPG ever, man. Oh, fuck, yeah, we can't, and you know,

Starting point is 00:30:42 and they're like, we are definitely aware of that after cyberpunk Okay, because that's it's so funny because there's a distinct feeling I'm having where I'm like While we while I was super impressed with Citadel as like the best part of that Mass Effect experience like I definitely am like walking away now going like Well, I don't know if everything they do from this point forward is going to be Citadel afterwards. And certainly it isn't and wasn't. And you're like, no, no, no. That's everyone pushing their hardest to deliver the best they can in that context. That doesn't mean it's going to be the new threshold bar. Whereas I could see Phantom Liberty and this type of conclusion being the bar they go for for Cyberpunk going forward.

Starting point is 00:31:30 Yeah, I have played all of the Witcher games to completion, except for the card one. And I played a bunch of Cyberpunk and it's like, for CD Projekt, they have not done anything to dissuade me from telling anyone who's interested in those games to wait until the first big patch after the game's expansion comes out. That's quite a few. Like for Witcher 1 and 2 it was called Enhanced Edition, for Witcher 3 it's like oh Blood and Wines out? Okay wait one more patch and then jump in.

Starting point is 00:32:07 Ignore everything in between, wait for an expansion, and then the roundup afterwards. Same thing with Alcat. Which we have a lot to talk about with Alcat today later. Okay, so there was that. We started Expedition 33 with Region controls and we have selected French. Expedition 33 with Reggie on controls and we have selected French much to the To the joy of some and to the dismay of others and I ultimately left that up to Reggie's the final say and you know all I can say to that is we've been having a super blast with it and watching it With new game plus eyes. I'm getting I have to I've been

Starting point is 00:32:46 Go back to do it because like I see I'll be in a reddit thread But did you notice this shit and I'll be like no, I'm getting hit I'm getting hit with it as we're going and I'm trying to not be too annoying about it while while he's playing but like There's a couple moments. Haha, and you're like That happens that's super duper happens right you see shit where you're like Context right that that the end you and like, you know that thing where you go, oh, I don't know what I'm looking at yet, but eventually I'll understand it better as the- There's like a really specific cut scene

Starting point is 00:33:16 at the end of act one that makes no fucking sense at all when you see it, and I can't wait to get back to it. Yeah, it's just, it's incredible to see shit where you're like, oh, this was not at all the thing where you go, you'll see this later, but you'll get it. It's like, no, no, no, we never go back. It's wild. So it's fun for the for the it's clearly made for the read the redo. And not to mention as well, even little things where so global, the little flower boss that you fight right away. Like you see that bit where like my L is like reaching out to like connect and is like something about you, you know, and

Starting point is 00:33:50 then you're like, Oh, I wonder if that'll ever come back up. No, we will never be explicitly stated even once in the entire game. But replaying it, I'm like, Oh, motherfucker, that's just SQA body. She just recognizes the shape of SQA, you know, so it's like damn that's cool. Right? Anyway, no, no This is the that's a it's a super non moment. This is not huge spoilers or anything I don't it's just a little moment for from like a Luckily the first boss wanted to go back in new game. Plus they literally put out a patch this morning. I'm not guys All right. I what I just described, I don't think was a no. You're good. It's an ignore them. Don't look at them. First boss. Talk to me about

Starting point is 00:34:32 the moment. All right. Yeah. All right. The patch this morning for Expedition 33. Have you seen it? I have not. Oh, I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy for you I put up a screenshot with a name blanked out on it. You can now refight that guy That's great the one right at the end that's that guy And they've made story mode way a million times easier Perry window and dodge windows on story mode are now increased by 40% Okay, and damage reduced by up to 50% because story mode was still too hard like for people that like can't Perry for shit Challenge modifiers act 3 onward at a flag checkpoint in act three on words which includes a new game plus

Starting point is 00:35:26 players can now limit max damage to 9999 100 000 or 1 million or multiply enemy hp by times two times five times ten times 20 times 50 or times 100. Which is the exact specific things I was talking about, I think like last week or the week before, because there was a mod out that was like enemy HP a hundred times. Okay. And I was like, that's ridiculous. I remember people were playing that,

Starting point is 00:35:58 like the day the game came out, I'm like, why would you need a hundred times enemy health? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, maybe you could go for a hundred times enemy health Okay Yeah, that's sick. I'm glad that they're still Updating shit and that what we wanted could be patched back in you know for like they They also a difficulty that mode could get patched in for all you know that'd be great You know that you know that sword right at the end? They have now fixed the cataclysmic memory leak problem that happens when you equip that sword.

Starting point is 00:36:37 I don't think I know about that one. So the final sword that you get? Yeah. Every battle you get into, like, eats up like 20% of your RAM. My stream dropped to like sub 30 frames after going through a dungeon with it. Okay. Okay. It was ridiculous. It was so busted. Sorry to go back. The smaller things bothering me. I just kind of want to quickly say, I guess.

Starting point is 00:37:07 It's like a shit on the floor. Clean it up and forget it ever happened. Yeah, it's just because it's something that comes up with me and people being like, I'm too stupid about spoilers or whatever. No, but Wooly, you didn't even spoil anything because you're obviously talking about SKA's statue in the middle of the Lumiere that you can then rename after Sophie All I just want to say I was just gonna say cuz like This part of this came up when you're going into like hunter hunter people before and I was and people like thought I was

Starting point is 00:37:36 Getting mad about something and I'm just kind of like I'm as far as that goes. I have nothing else to say about anything Related I don't care anymore. It's totally Throws coins I'm stupid. I'm just no longer going to have the conversation or get like it's fine If anyone says anything that hits me in stop spoiler slopping. It's okay. I I'm not gonna get mad about anything spoiler related I'm not gonna make it an issue. It's totally fine guys All right, there was the the that was really cool. I wanted to say that For the there's a definitely expect a number of people that are that are you know, like yeah I had the French stuff bothers me. So I'm not gonna be checking it out because of the the language thing I was really hype and then that was disappointing and And I understand that French would bother people. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, just totally flat.

Starting point is 00:38:32 But all that all that to say that, you know, talking to Reggie about especially, I'm just like, Look, this is what this is a very special weird exception where there's a super French game that happens to overlap with us in the language we speak and it's something that could just be again a little bit more interesting of a playthrough versus the other countless English ones out there. I would like to make a single a very simple statement there. I actually do not speak the language they are speaking It is different it is different genuinely Like there's I don't know if you ever found it

Starting point is 00:39:10 But there's like a part of the game where there's like French language even in English There's just French language poetry playing in the background With no subtitles. Yeah. Yeah, there's that one area and Like was it mean I'm like I don't fucking know I like literal I literally could not tell you I could I could read it I could tell you But my ear can't do it if for me it depends from moment to moment But there's definitely like yeah But things like that like like that look like level of poetry where we're getting artistic or like listening to some of the lyrics

Starting point is 00:39:43 You're you're like ooh Singing makes it extra difficult to parse. You know when I read the lyrics on fucking Spotify. Oh But like I can't do it by ear But but all that to say that Yeah in going with this I think you know it's it'll it'll probably be the only frog la as we say, a LP of the game or so. And, you know, to the more sort of extreme views of like, like, oh, this is tanking the the LPs, you know, whatever audience or so like that, that doesn't matter to me. That's okay. I would rather this be something that is a special thing.

Starting point is 00:40:23 And I want to specifically I'm like, yo, Reggie, I want you to experience and see this shit. And see you, you, you call this integrity towards your work that I really respect. And over here, I'm like, how many fucking clown dicks can I paint on my forehead if someone donates $5? I bet it's more than one. I mean, look, the call was I'm so happy within one session that it was right because For one besides like, you know all the the bits that we're getting into, you know culturally and stuff

Starting point is 00:40:54 there's a there's a funny element of just like Twice now we've ran like an hour overtime and yeah, that's how's yeah, and I'm like, hey Reggie You know, it's like quarter to nine. And he's like, huh, what? You know, and it's especially fun to just see that like locked in like, oh man, can we, oh, geez. Okay. I guess we can end now. And I'm like, oh, we can keep going a bit. You know, it's fine. I got, you know, I got stuff to do after, but like we can let it run. But it's just funny because like we were enjoying cyberpunk, but there's a definitely a grind that gets You kind of get kind of tired of it after a certain point

Starting point is 00:41:32 And so there is a like, okay, we did a bunch of missions, you know The the the dialogue and the stood this the the notes we picked up tallest about how fucked up Night City is But for the most part, there's a grind that you kind of hit of a pattern That's the same kind of thing. So this is really nice and refreshing to see that energy there. When I was getting to the end of 33 on my stream, I started to describe it as real metaphor hours because I looked back, I decided to look back over my metrics and like, how many metaphor streams did I do? And the answer was, I did twice as many as you would expect

Starting point is 00:42:12 because I would stream it from four to nine, put the baby to bed, and then stream from 10 to two. You're like, I want some more. Like three, four days a week for like two, three weeks. So that started to happen near the end of Expedition 33. It was like, well, everyone's asleep. Time to go back to it. See, that's the thing, right?

Starting point is 00:42:31 You're not streaming on your schedule. You're playing the game and hitting the live button. You know? Yeah. Yes, yes. You're going, all right, let me play and let, oh, I'm live. All right. You know, that's the difference.

Starting point is 00:42:44 It's totally, it's a different thing but also just going back through and like, you know within an hour of This of starting this this game like something that doesn't happen too often is I don't get got I don't get got that much these days when I'm playing games and Yo, we're playing that intro and my eyes are watering, dude. I'm getting it. My chest is tightening up. I have so much feeling for these characters.

Starting point is 00:43:19 And I'm like, oh, this new game plus is gonna fucking be such a trip because I'm already invested man. Well, they why are you crying? Tell you I Just watched dear Zachary don't worry about it. I just I was just watching on my phone down here. It's fine. It's fine It's great so yeah, like that's that's off to a Um, it's great. So yeah, like that's that's off to a

Starting point is 00:43:49 rollicking great start so far and you know, he's he's thoroughly enjoying it and you know He's parrying and he's he's throwing himself first Into the deep end by trying to parry before even trying to dodge and I'm like, ooh, I like that moxie I get you fucked up in the streets on that Or I started to do that and then I got to flying waters and then that became like untenable for a little while and then I would dodge to time it and then it was when I was fighting the Bourginae yeah, he bores you know I was like no I'm just never gonna dodge ever again the only time I'm gonna start dodging is When I'm trying to parry a like a ten hit and I fuck one of the hits up

Starting point is 00:44:24 I'm not gonna get the counter-attack anyway exactly exactly and if you have something to parry a ten hit and I fuck one of the hits up. Because then I'm not going to get the counter attack anyway. Exactly, exactly. And if you have something to give you AP then you're fine. So that's the moment. But I just like watching the hubris, you know? So yeah, Expedition 33 has begun and this is one of those ones where I'm just like, even for little things like the musical bits and the intro and things like that, I'm like, okay, Min, you go, you take this and from this track, from this second to the second,

Starting point is 00:44:47 we're using this. And then for here, it's got to be these great moments. So that LP has begun. And yeah, beyond that, real quick, had a fun weekend. Freddie Loco, AKA Son of M, my friend from MTLSF over here, came over. CVS2, competitive player from back in the day. We popped on some Capcom versus SNK2. We played, we had a great time pressing buttons.

Starting point is 00:45:12 And for the first time, I tried playing that on a controller. And oh, man, it's so weird because I definitely have that cutoff point where I'm like, from this year forward, this is where I started playing pad more. And this is where I start and everything back is stick based and my brain wants a stick. But I said, I know exactly what you mean. Let me just try, you know? And I was, and I was doing it. I was doing it and I was like, okay, let me, I don't want to go back in a race and rewrite memories, but like playing bat, playing the older game on it. It did work

Starting point is 00:45:45 And yeah, it's just it's fun to be able to just go back and pop that in Fuck the remixed music though. I'd sound like I like the idea of having remixed like or arranged soundtracks for re-releases I don't care for it, but I'm like on paper on paper. I Sure, but fuck me. That's not what my brain wants to hear. I would like to give a shout out however to The first upload of the remixed version of true love you're making Just use the video for Friday night fisticuffs. Right right basically right yeah I was like ah that's cute basically No, and and and I mean the reality of it. I can, the idea of like, jumping on, so my consistency

Starting point is 00:46:31 back in the day, as much as I'm like, I played so much of this game with the stick before, I'm like, yeah, but I could never consistently get a fucking pretzel motion going. But I can do- Oh yeah, it's crazy, because like, I'm like, oh, I played so much of this. I can do more accurate shit on my head. I played so much more Third Strike than I have played Street Fighter 6 I am so much better at Street Fighter 6 than I ever was at that time There you go, right like all my memories. It is night and fucking day

Starting point is 00:46:57 Yeah, our memories are strong, but we were weak Yeah, we were so bad Do you remember? Oh God was this like 2000 but we were weak. Oh, yeah. We were so bad. Do you remember? Oh, God, was this like 2006, 2007, where we were at your place playing Third Strike and we were talking about how much we hated the medium button. And you told me that your buddy actually explained to you

Starting point is 00:47:23 that the medium button actually stop stop stop I was like that's fucking stupid. You can't expose us like this, dude Stop it Pat they can't know I look back on that and I'm like oh my god that okay, no scrubs Okay, the level guys my god. Here's how scrub here's how scrub, here's how scrub we were. Like you don't even understand. So I grew up with me and my brother and we only had lights and heavies and it's like Yeah mediums are there I guess. Do I want it to be fast or do I want it to be strong? Strong! That's it! That's right! Yeah that's exactly it!

Starting point is 00:47:59 And like to the end to this day my brother literally never presses anything besides the heavy buttons, mind you. Like, there's no concept of doing anything but the most damaging big hit. Your brother is real for that! Right? He does not care. There are only two buttons in these games. And so the idea of being like, what do you want this in between for? It's like, you don't understand anything at that point. And yes, shoutouts Kingsley. He's the guy that showed me the world of how these games can be fucking,

Starting point is 00:48:29 you can play them and get better at them and what it takes and why. And he was like, dude, it's not just about speed and damage. I'm like, fuck you, it's not. And then he fucking beat my ass enough times to be like, no, sometimes it's- Oh, I guess I should listen to you. Yeah, sometimes it's about range.

Starting point is 00:48:46 Sometimes it's about priority. All these things. Back then, yeah, we were just like, no, fast or strong, only. No give ball, only throw. So I think the funniest thing to me is that, like, I feel a lot of that that I think we would have gotten over that a lot faster if we hadn't played a bunch of SNK games.

Starting point is 00:49:13 Oh, yeah. Which agrees with us. Yeah, they basically lock you into the fore, and I'm like, great. I love that this is all face buttons. No problem, you know? So yes, it is definitely hilarious now to just go back to that.

Starting point is 00:49:24 Or like, even when Marvel 2 came out And they're like yeah, the mediums are in there, but they're hidden behind the light button, so don't worry about it You know you're like okay, right um But it's such scrub shit nowadays to when you're thinking about it, but hey at the same time this we're in a pre fucking Evil moment you know a world we're in a word like there's so much that that was not understood at that point all this I'm a guy in the chat Fetragon says When play styles were molded by your locals and that is a time that is gone

Starting point is 00:49:57 Yeah, like people play used to play a certain way Well, and you've got it certain things even the word locals is too far ahead in tech We're talking basements and if you wanted to get nuts you go down to that local arcade if you wanted to get nuts But we're talking basements guys. I can't remember if it was IGN or if it was one up But when Street Fighter 4 was in the review process one of the reviews said that everyone in the office was obsessed with it except for the fact that fights between Individuals not in-game were starting to escalate and almost come to blows Over whether or not you should be allowed to do tick throws throws throws. It's always throws

Starting point is 00:50:40 You can't block a throw right? That's cheap shit unblockable moves are cheap it's that simple you know and like the idea that someone would come around and explain to you that yes rock-paper-scissors is for a reason there's a balance to the idea that things need to have a counterplay to them is that's crazy that's insane it's like no no there's blocking and there's attacking. Fuck off, you know? It's hilarious. So yeah, that was great. Going back to CVS and then, you know, they have the balance patch that's like already in it, the EO GameCube thing that they threw on

Starting point is 00:51:18 that you have to play that version online. And it's just kind of wild because they took out a bunch of bugs, they took out like old unfair stuff that happened in the original Capcom versus SNK to roll canceling for example But they left in the fact that like K groove was just so insanely strong You know that was intentional it was designed right and so like the bugs that came around the glitches that everyone used Kind of helped balance the game out a bit by making other grooves more strong in different ways. And then by fixing them, you just go back to lopsiding the balance. It's hilarious, you know?

Starting point is 00:51:55 But still, fucking beautiful game. Love going back to that and pressing buttons, having fun. So thanks to Freddy for coming on with that. And then, yeah, jumping on Elena, looking at the Street Fighter 6 new season. I want to say something about Elena. You can feel that, like, I don't know how they build characters if it's the same people every time, but the people that built Elena fucking love Elena.

Starting point is 00:52:20 Oh. Like, there's some love put into this fucking character Oh, yeah, and and I think that it's simply the same again the the same care that goes into making my and Terry You know and all these latest DLCs where they just look phenomenal and are lovingly crafted. She has all of that the You know her little like our honor on her character select screen She's like playing you know the bed in bow doing a little like cap select screen, she's like playing the bed and bow, doing a little cap wearer traditional thing, and then goes into the merengue.

Starting point is 00:52:50 It's great. And nevermind that haircut, costume three is now here, and her costume three with the overalls is incredible. And two is phenomenal, two's perfect. Something about, yo, girls and overalls, that's a power level that's, you know, we don't talk about that enough. That's its own fucking feats.

Starting point is 00:53:10 I think we talk about that exactly enough as we need to. I love it, it's good shit. So yeah, the, Elena's got stuff and she's, it's hard to say where she's gonna wind up in terms of how strong she is as a character but I don't care that's not even what I'm talking about I'm talking about like I am so much happier with the way Elena plays in Street Fighter 6 than I ever was in anyone from Third Strike showing up in four or five mm-hmm because like the core like hey you know what third strike has a lot of really good ass target combos

Starting point is 00:53:48 You know what Elena has for a lot of her core off times really good fucking target combos tons. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, just just don't be caught autopiloting them because you'll whiff a button and get killed you know, but yeah, she has a lot of those She has a good just yeah, definitely a good amount of pressure to keep things going. And they also deliberately kind of designed her in a way where they didn't do the DLC being top tier thing, right? So the last couple of characters from Akuma to Bison to Mai, I mean, Terry, not so much, but still pretty strong

Starting point is 00:54:22 in some ways, they didn't do the like, the latest DLC is gonna be the god of the game. She's not that by any stretch. You know, she's a good normal character. And they did things that, you know, to the system as a whole where it's like, okay, so if you wanna throw a loop with her,

Starting point is 00:54:39 you can do it, you just have to be perfect on your timing and you have to spend a drive rush to get in there. Oh, really, how do you throw a loop with her? You drive rush in, and you do it within one frame. You throw it within one frame. You have to be very precise. A throw loop that needs a drive rush is not a fucking throw loop.

Starting point is 00:54:55 It costs a resource. I play fucking bison. I just walk forward. That's it. That's it, right? And I wish they made that universal. It'd be nice if it was like, no, no, no. It's going to take you precision if you want to do this, but it is there. Anyway, and then some they made that universal. It'd be nice if it was like, no, no, no. It's gonna take you precision if you wanna do this,

Starting point is 00:55:05 but it is there. Anyway, and then some of the other balance changes and stuff are wild and crazy and fun. You know, all like- Ryu gets to be number one. Yeah, they shot Menno and they handed the gun. They put the gun in Ryu's mailbox. It is really interesting to me because I remember,

Starting point is 00:55:23 I remember talking to somebody a long time ago and it was a mandate by Warner Brothers that Superman and Batman had to be top tier in Injustice 1. They had to be, if not the best characters, up there. I thought that was hilarious, but Superman and Batman, they're on the box. It's funny that we're now in Street Fighter 6 land in which Capcom's like, No, Ryu, it's the man- it's Ryu time now! Yeah, look, we get, like, I don't want to have a whole segment going into the, you know,

Starting point is 00:55:55 balance changes for Street Fighter 6, but I'll just- It's crazy! But it's just hilarious, because Ryu, like, because the idea that Ken is stronger and better overall, there's definitely that internal like no, it's You must be the boy, you know, and he always takes a minute to get there, right? They always have that thing where they it takes them a while. They they they're slow to To buff him up. But now yeah, he's he's got a Super fireball that is fucking instantaneous and can catch you like blinking

Starting point is 00:56:25 If you fucking look out you look away for a second doing any action, you're dead. So good stuff. That'll be fun to see how it shifts out. Did you miss a jab? Here comes a super-die. Die. Bang. Bionic arm in the form of a fireball.

Starting point is 00:56:40 Yeah, good stuff over there. So yeah, that's pretty much the deal. And then we'll get into the you know Other news with Street Fighter 6 and stuff like in the actual proper segment This week we're going to do some more Expedition 33 over on wooly versus YouTube and on Twitter I can't believe it and then on Friday

Starting point is 00:57:02 You and I and On Friday, you and I and Gene and friends are gonna be jumping on Switch to Mario Kart World. So Paige is the only one who is maybe not confirmed because we still gotta get a hold of the babysitter. But it's definitely gonna be the boys, at the very least. So we'll check that out and that'll be my first time actually playing the Switch. I think that the onus is on Gene to stomp us because he's had the Switch longer and Mario Kart longer. So if he doesn't, we should shame him. I also can't remember the last time I played a Mario Kart game, mind you. That's great.

Starting point is 00:57:39 That's awesome. Yep. Have you played a Mario Kart? I have. Yeah, you're good. Period. It's the same fucking game. Uh, okay. It's the same game. So, me and Wully are gonna be streaming that on our own channels, obviously.

Starting point is 00:57:53 Yeah, and then on Saturday as well, I'm gonna be on a game show. Jabroni Mike from the Vini, from the Vinesauce world is gonna be having... That's my streamer and I'm gonna be on that with two other VTubers. I'm gonna be the FleshTuber on stream. So we'll see how that goes. Disgusting. Yep. From the moment I knew the whatever, the weakness of my flesh, I was disgusted or whatever the quote is and aspire to the beauty of the machine Something I'm not gonna get the Vtuber rig out that shit's too complicated and I'm on a new environment

Starting point is 00:58:32 And I don't know what the fuck's gonna happen or go wrong And what kind of imagine if people see me a Vtuber rig and then come like oh that guy Let's go see more of him, and you're just see this Like that is false advertising right so anyway yeah I'm gonna be on that's my streamer shoutouts to Jiboni that's fun stuff yeah that's that's pretty much me all right let's see what did I do oh that's right me and page fucking scorched our bodies and throats to death, streaming fucking 17 hours of Deltarune back to back over two days.

Starting point is 00:59:11 And you got to the end of chapter three? Four. Oh, both of them, damn, okay. How long did each one go for? Eight and a half and then eight and a half. Oh yeah yeah the same for all of them you'd say yeah, okay? The old the only thing we did not do is Beat the super boss of chapter 3 we beat the super boss of chapter 4 How's Delta Rune going um?

Starting point is 00:59:43 So Toby took a little bit of a longer time to put out these chapters because it's a two-chapter deal. And a couple things right off the bat. Toby has a team of people now helping him make the Deltarune's. This is insanely clear right away that this is more than a one-man show. The scale and scope and variety of gameplay and narrative tricks going on is eclipses One is Eclipse's the second chapter of Deltarune. Chapter three and four are a undertale to Deltarune jump in complexity. narrative stuff, the fucking plot starts now. Goofy adventures continue, but there's some fucking meat on what is occurring. Okay. And there's plenty to dig into and piece out and obsess over and dig into the game's files and whatnot.

Starting point is 01:01:12 Also, chapter four has a sequel to the Snowgrave route, if you continue your chapter two Snowgrave route, which has now been named the Weird Root. Okay, so wait, two things. One. What is snowgrave? I don't remember, yeah. Okay, so Chapter One of Deltarune

Starting point is 01:01:34 is horribly linear intentionally. Like it is almost mocking you in its linearity and how you can't make any decisions that matter. In Chapter Two of Deltare, which is now five years old So I'm going to talk about it a little there is a genocide root style Path you can take through it which significantly changes the content the boss. Oh, right. Yes the characters Yeah, I did nicknamed snow grave. Okay. Yeah, I did do that If you continue that snow grave okay. Yeah, I did do that If you continue that snow grave file

Starting point is 01:02:07 Through on to chapter 4 you get to take part in what's called the weird route Which I guess was always snow graves name. Okay, internally and Pardon me, Asnees. Is it tight? It's... It's very divergent from the normal route. It is very different. So shout-outs, by the way, to Toby for putting up that little reminder page, which is like,

Starting point is 01:02:39 hey, it's been years since Deltarune's chapter one and two. If you need a quick reminder on how the act and forgiveness system worked and stuff, this is how it works, this is how the action and the characters do stuff. That was really good to just read through and go like, oh yeah, I remember. And on top of that, sorry. No, you just talked about going through the files earlier,

Starting point is 01:02:58 and I'm like, what about if you're on a Switch version or something like that? Digging through the files to find hidden dialogue from characters that may or may not technically exist is for the PC players only. Yeah, yeah, okay. There is even at least one interaction in the game where if you manually edit the game's files to disable its own profanity filter

Starting point is 01:03:27 There is a cutscene available for you to bypass the fact that you tried to bypass the profanity filter Fucking Toby man, damn, okay Did you switch platforms or did you continue your save? Nah, we stayed on PC Okay Yeah, the Deltarune 3 and 4 is incredible. It's fantastic. It hits like a much wider variety of emotional beats than Undertale did.

Starting point is 01:03:59 In particular, to those of you who have finished it, there's like a little story that one of the characters tells you about playing a piano that is... It hits. It hits really, really, really, really hard. It's the kind of thing where it makes me sad because it's one of those very painful childhood memories and you look at the writing of it and you're like, nobody can write this unless they know what they're talking about.

Starting point is 01:04:31 Been through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it makes me sad for Toby. Because the things were not super great, I guess, because there's a lot of real emotion in this. There's certain works's certain, sometimes you work, certain works that exudes heavily. Berserk, you feel like Mura went through some shit

Starting point is 01:04:54 in order to get that out of him, you know? I mean, I think the all-time most famous for weeaboos is the world's greatest story about how I didn't really get along with my dad, called Neon Genesis Evangelion. I have never in my life seen a story that was so obviously about how the writer did not get along with their dad as a child. Because holy fucking shit, dude.

Starting point is 01:05:23 And was awkward with girls, also. Now this is a weird thing where these different routes existing, you know, obviously makes, being divergent as well makes anyone that wants to play and complete things curious. Undertale obviously played with the notion of trying to be a completionist gamer, and each run was part of an overall canon that connects

Starting point is 01:05:46 right yeah the weird route is doing okay for how do I talk around this all right I know how to talk around it okay well they do you remember the ending of chapter one of under of Delta room that's the stinger to the chapter one with the birdcage. That idea is expanded on massively in a bunch of really, really, really interesting ways in terms of controls, mechanics, and narrative in ways that are also different between the two routes. Okay. I guess all I really am wondering is it like, do you even go do the run and then jump back in to see what an alternate version might look like?

Starting point is 01:06:36 Or is it like, yo, do your PC save and then jump over to your Switch or something? No, you save file one for normal good ass shit and you save file three for goofy weirdo nonsense. Pick a different slot and call it that. Yeah, yeah, okay, gotcha. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna scrape every file off this PC and I'm going to go back and do chapter 1, 2, 3, and 4 again. Because one, I missed the chapter 3 Super Boss and we continued to chapter 4, we just

Starting point is 01:07:10 didn't have time. And also, there's some interactions, there's some egg-based secrets, there's some scenes, there's some dialogue choices that we want to have that like pristine fucking perfect you know file for going into chapter 5 and also I want to have all them cleared out so I can have a nice clean save file number three for snowgrave and weird shit and what would probably continue onwards so the only other thing I'm wondering there is there's a way for you to start three and four without any previous save, and it just lets you do a- Yeah, it just defaults to the normal happy-go-lucky normie delta rune. Yeah, you don't get to Mass Effect, choice, choose anything quickly through that run.

Starting point is 01:07:56 No, no you do not. Okay. Cool. That's exciting. There's a lot going on with it. It is much- So the morning that me and Paige took the baby to the park and he was playing in the park and we were sitting around going like, man, what the fuck took Toby so long? It's a Deltarune. It's like a fucking Super Nintendo

Starting point is 01:08:17 game. What could... I know him and his team are working super hard, but like, well, and then we went home and played it and we're like, Oh, okay. This shit looks like it took a while. Are there any, you know, new feelings that arise having played this back to back with Clare Obscure? No. Okay. It's, it's, it's, it's pretty fantastic. And Perry skills do not transfer over into bullet hell skills.

Starting point is 01:08:56 Oh, I'll say the difficulty gradient of chapter three and four of, of Deltarune, despite the fact that they're like their new games, it's like a new game on Steam and you buy it, blah blah blah, is Deltarune is being built on the assumption that one day is built for the player that sits down to play chapter one, two, three, four, five, six, and seven over the course of a month, because reloading into chapter three and four of Delta Rune it assumes that you fucking beat Spanton and Jevil fucking last week. Fresh. It is a very, very serious upgrade in mechanical difficulty.

Starting point is 01:09:37 Okay. I mean, like I said, I think that like the releasing the game piecemeal according to what you can do as a team and such is, I support that, that's great. If it takes you time to get the next piece out, then so be it, right? And in the end, it'll all be one piece, but having these predictable length pieces,

Starting point is 01:10:02 as adults certainly for us, helps to know, okay, I'm going to sit down for the next eight hours. That, I really- Not when there's two in a row. That was rough. That was brutal. But I do like this idea.

Starting point is 01:10:15 And then we're going to go into six and then into seven, and then we know that'll be the deal. Cool. All right. One thing I will note I Think we talked about last week. I was like hey can Toby make a game that full screen borderless windows itself like a normal video game? And you were like no Toby wants the got a mess You got to be able to mess with the window for for narrative purposes

Starting point is 01:10:42 Hey, guess what? Yeah full screen in Deltarune now gives you a standard proper borderless windowed mode that works perfectly. How about that? Okay. And then, and here's my favorite part, and then I found out that Toby and the gang didn't do that. That is a game maker upgrade that happened like a month ago, totally unrelated.

Starting point is 01:11:01 It's just the platform. It's just the engine that they're using. Nice, yeah. To include that. That's great. The one point that I will say, boo, Toby, bad. The demo saves used a different prefix as the main game. So a huge amount of people want to go load their saves

Starting point is 01:11:24 and delta in chapter three on Steam, which is a different app, was like, well, you don't have any save games. And people had to either rename their save games from the demo or transfer them directly into the folder. Or what I had to do was I had to go back to Chapter one and two and reload the old saves, which looked like they had disappeared so they got the new prefix it's all right the demo for three the demo for one and two which is what all used to exist only right but they're free supposed to be

Starting point is 01:11:59 able to transfer your your saves into three and four sorry I'm confused by the word demo because they're free games. Okay well they're labeled as demo. Chapter one and two have been demos of Deltarune this whole time. Okay okay I just thought of them as yeah. Yeah no, Toby says hey you guys want to try the Deltarune demo? It's chapter one. And it's been like that for seven years. Okay all right all right. So that was the share seven years. Okay. All right. All right So that that was the the shareware whatever right the save file transfer shit sucked and and was busted for tons of people and

Starting point is 01:12:33 a huge amount of people just said fuck it and just Deleted the demo and just replayed the whole fucking thing one two three four damn shit, okay Fuck I hope I can go find mine Shit, okay. Fuck, I hope I can go find mine. It was extra frustrating because I mean page replayed Deltarune on this PC specifically to avoid this problem because the demo didn't have cloud saves. Now it has cloud saves.

Starting point is 01:12:57 Now it's a regular normal Steam game for 32.99. But if you have your saves, you just have to rename them and you can solve the problem. Or transfer them or reload. It's, I don don't fucking know man. I fixed it. Okay Okay, I fixed it Very good game very interesting mean page will definitely be streaming the snowgrave and weird routes at some point during this next year The game ends with the year of release of the next chapter. Oh, they tell you when. Okay. Like the final post credit stinger is it is coming in this

Starting point is 01:13:32 year. Okay. And it is not five years from now. Okay. Good game. Very good game. Yeah. Every other question I would have is something I'd like. No, let's just find out. Let's just find out. So. Cool. OK, here's one. Here's one.

Starting point is 01:13:51 Yeah. Yeah, ask your questions. I'll dance around if I need to. Yeah, OK, OK. Is there a new Megalovania in town? The song or the camera? The song. The song.

Starting point is 01:14:03 Is there a new like, that is going to be the song no Okay, no, it's generally excellent, but there's no track. That's like Shit okay, the music is just excellent overall Cuz there's yeah, there's but there's those moments where you hit those and you're like cuz like any any way you might feel bad About that genocide run you hear the music and you're like, nah, but I don't feel that bad. Don't listen to this track help you with the I Will tell if they're the other half of your question that is unspoken is that?

Starting point is 01:14:42 Deltarune one of the chapter super bosses, is the first thing in the game to approach that level of dedication. It's the only one I didn't beat. And it's like, I'm going to need to sit down and get some coffee and fucking grind it out because it is the kind of encounter that I went at it and I'm like, you must be joking that you are asking this of me, which is a very familiar feeling for those of us who went through Undertale Genocide. Yes. They know who they're talking to and what you might have already accomplished based on that exact criteria. Your resume says, this is what you've done. And you're like,

Starting point is 01:15:24 okay, cool. Good. We've prepared a dish for you. I'm assuming so. Your resume says this is what you've done and you're like, okay cool good We've prepared a dish for you. I'm assuming so there's a real like fuck off. Nah, man. You fuck fuck you And the games like nah fuck you. Well, it's it's I'm thinking of moments moments where you're playing and you go Okay, this is a cinematic bullshit thing and then it's not Whatever that happens in a game where you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. You lose on purpose and then, wait, what do you mean that's a real game over? That is always a fucking great thing in an RPG. Yeah, so, you know, let's see it.

Starting point is 01:15:58 Let's see where they go with this one. Cool, all right. I also played a bunch of the Lies of P DLC, Lies of P Overture. Available now. So it would have been a shame that that leaked out the morning of. That Xbox screwed up and put up a trailer or whatever. Whole lot of leaky faucets out there these days. Whole lot of leaky faucets. So you did not play Lies of P, yes?

Starting point is 01:16:26 No. Not yet. So Lies of P is fantastic. It is the best non-From Software Souls game by Countrymodel. I don't know, man. I saw a trailer for Mortal Shell 2. Okay, that Mortal Shell 2 trailer looked like alright, but then at the end you're like, oh, Mortal Shell, that was pretty... Hey, it has... well, we'll get there, we'll get there. Yeah, we'll get there.

Starting point is 01:16:46 It's got some fun stuff. Lies of P Overture is... It's the old hunters. That's exactly what it is. Okay. It is accessible from chapter nine of 12. So, about 70% mark of Lies of P, you can just go to the DLC.

Starting point is 01:17:04 It is an outrageous increase in difficulty it is it is crazy how much harder it is than the base game has tons of cool new weapons cool enemies great bosses etc Not much to say. It is a really fantastic, super hard bonus DLC if you want to keep going in Lies of P. I will say two things. One, they have mitigated the New Game Plus problem for these DLCs because the more is difficult enough that if you're going in at new game plus one or two They're like they have added a normal and easy mode to the game I was about to ask if there's a turn on T Yeah, you're rolling in on like new game plus, and you're just like form fucking smoked. Yeah

Starting point is 01:18:00 It's not that much easier. It's just numerical Okay, but it can help take the edge off is it not it's not an actual difficulty setting It's like an item or something like that. It's not a setting. Okay. Okay. Yeah straight up When you load up the game and go hit continue they go what what what difficulty do you want to play on? And you can change it at any time So if you're playing a new game plus and at any time. So if you're playing a new game plus and you go into that. Oh no, you can also just use it on your regular new game.

Starting point is 01:18:28 Like I'm playing on regular new game and I didn't turn it down. But like, if I turned it down to like medium, it would be as hard as the final level in the game. Like. Is it also so like in the sense that you could do new game plus plus plus and have these absolutely okay, so you can walk into a

Starting point is 01:18:49 Ridiculous already difficultly I'm going to the DLC at new game plus five and yeah killing me and like a hit-and-a-half Go fuck yourself. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah One thing the second major boss in Chapter 2. Okay, so Lies of P, base game, had the best multi-enemy fight in Souls history. It was a fight against an enemy group called the Black Rabbit Brotherhood and you are fighting Was it three or four? So I think it's like four people simultaneously for human sized people simultaneously Okay, and it is incredible like the watch it is it is fantastic Okay, there are no problems in that boss fight

Starting point is 01:19:43 Yeah, and the reason why is because you are fighting a primary fighter, and then they call in the other members as assists. And then the person does one string and jumps away, and then when the person you're fighting gets to a low health they'll tag in, and now you're fighting a different boss. Oh cool. Okay fun. It is a Great fucking fight. It is it is fucking fantastic So we did obviously see you know from softs like they have their annoying ad bosses

Starting point is 01:20:19 And then they have the like work figuring it out with the fucking sentinels Yeah, and then an awful fight that right we're figuring it out with the fucking Sentinels. Yeah, god awful fight, that's terrible. You get that type of shit, but then you get your fucking, your Watchers, right, later on, where you're like, oh that's cool, you know, that works out. But it's a different thing entirely. In this case, it stays 1v1. Yeah, primarily.

Starting point is 01:20:45 Okay. It'll go to 2v1 for like 10, 15 seconds and then they'll be like, aha, and they'll jump back out, right? And the DLC Overture has another duo fight. It's 2v1 and it is without a question the best 2v1 Boss fight in like action game history. It is absolutely unbelievable It is

Starting point is 01:21:17 Unqualified it is the only 2v1 boss fight I have ever played in which despite you're using the Dark Souls style lock on camera, never had a problem knowing exactly where both of them were. I never had trouble figuring out who was attacking from where, how to defend. It is incredible and it's really simple. It is a fight against a human opponent that is piloting a puppet, so it is like fighting a stand battle, but there is a gigantic blue string going from the hand to the puppet.

Starting point is 01:21:54 Ay, that's good. And when she attacks, or when it switches to her as the main fighter, the strand glows blue, and when it switches to the puppet as the main fighter the strand glows red, okay, so You're fighting either of them, and you see the strand glow different color, and you switch your lock on astral chain And now you're fighting the other one Cool, you're trying to do damage to the main to the to the pilot Cool. And you're trying to do damage to the main, to the pilot, but then turns red and all of a sudden you have to switch

Starting point is 01:22:35 directions because the puppet is flying around and attacking you. Nice. That's pretty cool. It is fighting the main character from Astral Chain basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean look, we affect- And it's awesome. We affectionately remember Orange Steam and Smog at this point, you know, and the right of passage that has become, but also standing next to that broken pillar and using it to jank out the collision. Well, the thing about Ornstein and smoke that you have to look back on is like Ornstein and smoke are slow as fuck. That's a long goddamn time ago. That's almost 15 years ago. But you're learning to pan the camera in such a way to keep them, you know, in your sights and stuff.

Starting point is 01:23:07 But yeah, that's cool. Okay. Oh yeah, no, Eliza P. Overture so far so good. It is great. No, I mean, so I really, everything I hear about it is so fantastic and really cool sounding and I really want to jump in. I just am looking at this like I don't want, like I can jump in by myself on my own time off screen but I'm like I think this would be cool to play on stream at some point. You're completely right. I'm kind of just waiting for that possibility of sorts but because it is excellent. Yeah the vibes aren't quite as immaculate as Bloodborne but it also uses a better control scheme and runs at 4k at 120 FPS and

Starting point is 01:23:46 Has a million quality of life features such as running on your computer so like The game parts of lies of p are much better than blood-borne And it is like just a little bit behind it in terms of vibe Okay Excellent it is excellent although is it's on consoles too though, right? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But like, I mean, everything runs great compared to fucking Bloodborne, man. Bloodborne's like, chugging, man.

Starting point is 01:24:17 That's the fucking point, you know. Yeah. Okay. Hell yeah. And that is and what was the sequel coming the sequel to lies of p yeah who the fuck knows oh am i did i not okay they announced over a chair i thought there was also a lies of p2 that got confirmed at some point maybe not can okay the ending of lies of p tells you they're gonna make a fucking sequel but it wasn't a good thing of liesa P looks you in your fucking eyeball and goes hey what if we do the fucking sequel right but yeah no the DLC was the only thing that's confirmed confirmed okay yeah alright cool um what else yeah that was that's that was it for for Pat aside from I would like to let you guys know about the child's new favorite word, which

Starting point is 01:25:10 I accidentally taught him and has become a hilarious staple. Let's go. Too bad. too bad oh no oh too bad yeah I wanted more milk yeah I was like you can't have more milk and he was like you know he flapped his arms like right and stomped his foot a little bit I'm like sorry buddy that's too bad.

Starting point is 01:25:45 And then he looked at me and I saw the fucking neuron connect in his eye and then he went, too bad! And just runs around now saying it. And whenever I'm like, don't do that, he'll be like, too bad! Yeah, that'll def, yep, you gave, that's a weapon. 100%, Oh no. Dude, it's so cute.

Starting point is 01:26:07 And I'm specifically thinking of it in the Deltarune way too, like sliding off camera. Too bad! Absolutely. 100%. God, what was it? Earthbound. Earthbound, you know? Like, hey, oh, I heard you too- like, oh Like oh like cuz my favorite food and that was like souvlaki and it's like oh, I heard you want some souvlaki to porky Well too bad None for you

Starting point is 01:26:36 That's great, that's great Nice oh And you know what? This is a very tiny detail because I don't think we'll talk about again But I played a little bit of Elena and I think she's a great character in Street Fighter 6 And like what we're talking about earlier was like man I'm so much better at Street Fighter 6 than I ever was at third strike Because I loaded up with Elena and like in training mode waiting for a match

Starting point is 01:26:58 I was like and I did drive rush into short low short jab jab And I did drive rush into short, low short, jab jab, rhino kick. I'm like, okay, that works. And I'm like, dude, I remember I literally never got a hang of doing shorts into jabs in third strike, even though they're really important. They're really, really, really, really fucking important. I was never able to do it.

Starting point is 01:27:23 So this is, I had this exact moment and I had it this week too, because like it's a, well, and a couple, not long ago we talked about third strike where I was like, Oh my God, only the best players in the world can do these Kara grabs and amazing Mercodo combos. I could never. And then you do them and you go, Oh my God, like I am that good now. I actually can do them and so for granted there is an input buffer that helps There is right but playing Capcom vs SNK 2 role canceling where you have to input the two lights and then you do a role and then immediately do a move Afterwards felt so hard to do as a kid

Starting point is 01:27:58 It's impossible only the best in the world can do this consistently and now I'm like, oh I can get this one every couple tries I'm there, oh, I can get this one every couple tries. I'm there, you know, but you just, the difference between then and now is insane, yeah. You're absolutely on that level. And not only that, but like, again, the thought of, at least getting familiar with it on stick or on controller and so on, like, I've played enough now

Starting point is 01:28:21 that I've just, I can do things within short windows of time, but I was never thinking about fighting games in that way back in the past, you know? You created this super high tower in the sky that was not at all that unachievable. Yeah. It's a really funny feeling to look back and see. This week, if you want to go down to twitch.tv slash Pat stares at I'm back to normal hours on Thursday though that might change actually I might have to move things around but Friday I'm definitely gonna be streaming of wolves Reggie Jean and hopefully page

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Starting point is 01:29:38 nephew to get You hook up the switch to do game chat oh Getting this what you want you want to teach my dad how to use fucking discord man Well, okay, so for my for the for the old folks in my family It's just FaceTime or whatsapp video messaging that That ship sailed 55 million years ago in my house. They don't have.

Starting point is 01:30:07 No, I need the teenager to set that up for them. Yeah, well, my mom figured out, she figured out the FaceTime and WhatsApp video button. So, you know, that'll do. And to be perfectly honest, what you're describing, there is a bit here where it's like, okay, if you have a generally West Indian family or a lot of or just a lot of a lot of that oh yeah a lot of

Starting point is 01:30:30 other a lot of folks from that a lot of families from not North America are hyperfluid in WhatsApp so you're describing a very specific issue for a specific group. You know, we're out like yeah, WhatsApp is out here heavy lifting a bunch of countries up, you know, it is how it is. But sure, sure. All around the world, chiming in, there we go. Alright, let's take some words from our sponsors. Our beloved sponsor. Yeah. All right, this week the podcast is sponsored by, let me make sure I got this all lined up. You're taking a minute, are you? Boot.dev, shout outs to Boot.dev.

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Starting point is 01:44:22 Okay, you get to roll? No, it's time to piss. All right, let's piss. Then we roll. Also before we go, shout out to the dumbass in chat who typed in the phrase enter the gun-tion, which Not bad. Killed my ass during the middle of that ad read. Not bad. It is a gun-tion. This is true. Time for piss. Piss lop. Be right back. Before we start, Woolie, I would like to say that you don't get, I genuinely mean this, there's no irony or sarcasm.

Starting point is 01:44:52 You don't get enough credit for the weeks in which we do this stupid nonsense, and then you just pull out whatever fucking massive list of nonsense we have to go through topic by topic. I did it like once it's hard There's a lot. Thank you. I appreciate it There is there's quite a few things and

Starting point is 01:45:16 To be perfectly honest the the the shows that took place Aside from that there were other things. I don't know that dude there as place aside from that there were other things I don't know that dude there as you know there was an entire day of shows that I didn't cover mm-hmm and maybe I should have phrased it slightly differently than I phrased it because someone was like Pat are you gonna cover like women-led games or Latin American games and I just I'll give a shit about that cozy games You don't care you don't give a shit What the fuck dude

Starting point is 01:46:03 Yeah clip it there you go mm-hmm. Oh run with that What are you an executive at Ubisoft? Oh? Do a handstand? Wow, wow we wah All right look. It's an old story. We've covered a million versions of it All there is to say is that hey look as the Ubisoft We always talk about them, and then there's always at some point where we go. Oh, yeah You just make sure you don't get fucking groped or harassed or some other crazy shit bad in their court case right now

Starting point is 01:46:34 And then it's the news exactly and at some point It's just like you know what every time and you're like yeah You just review the story and then you hear you're like, oh yeah to recap people getting tied to chairs woman forced to do handstands People getting their faces farted in you know, I not not appropriate workplace. Yeah. Yeah behavior You know, it's not okay to do a million levels of like like sexual harassment levels one through nine Like sexual harassment's levels one through nine, all of the above, you know, so.

Starting point is 01:47:06 I think one of the things that really elevates a sexual harassment trial like this is when parts of it are like just harassment. Do you know, like? Isolated, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like, there doesn't even appear to be a sexual angle here other than the fact that the people doing it are just massive pieces of shit Yeah So we always kind of do this as well and we've been because we've been talking about it for a while and we kind of

Starting point is 01:47:35 Have this ongoing like one long ridiculous story in our brains over the years It is easy to kind of forget some people are hearing it for the first time and enough people are chapped typing all caps What so real quick just it'll be soft is in the same lawsuit It is easy to kind of forget some people are hearing it for the first time and enough people are typing all caps what. So real quick, just Ubisoft is in the same lawsuit they've had for a while now where a bunch of execs are being sued for sexual harassment of staff and leaving a woman terrified and a bunch of other shit in French court. And they just kind of summed up the highlights of the stuff that went on over the course of the hearings.

Starting point is 01:48:06 And you know, they talk about women being tied to chairs, forced to do handstands, you know, subjected to comments about their bodies, you know, sexist homophobic jokes, drawing penises and sticking them to computers, farting in people's faces, scribbled on scribbling on them with pens, shoulder massages that were unasked for out of nowhere playing porn classic that's a classic playing porn out in the in the office in the open cracking whips near people's heads you know what are you supposed to fuck like some real fucking stupid shit telling people you're gonna straighten them out by taking them next door And and giving them a proper you know sex fucking

Starting point is 01:48:50 like I just I What do you fucking yeah? What is that a set? I was such a good way to phrase that I think that actually really added something to it Yes, a proper sex fucking yes,, that's it. Well, because it's like, da da ba da da da na. That's sex fucking, right? That's what I was thinking. That's kind of what I was thinking. And I'm also combining with the shit that happened in the office

Starting point is 01:49:20 I worked at. Or, you know, so. Whew. Anyways, all you know, so. Whew, you know, anyways. All that to, yeah, to, you know, it just, it goes on and on. You can go take a look at the Guardian article about it and see what the fuck is going on, but, you know, it's crazy shit when we talk about

Starting point is 01:49:39 the sexual harassment at Ubisoft. And then there's the personal stuff from people that told me directly about shit that went on. Oh yeah, that's crazy. You know, and all the Catholic Church level of like, okay, well we'll just pick them up and put them on this department. What if we sent them to Singapore? So, you know, just so you know that's happening at the same time. Alright, what else happened? I hope you didn't buy a Switch and get your receipt stapled to the box.

Starting point is 01:50:03 Unbelievable. The absolute stupidity of this story that is- I hope you didn't buy a switch and get your receipt stapled to the box unbelievable The the absolute stupidity of the story that I gotta tell you there is a real like real silver lining of that story Which is like it was so fucking stupid and so outrageous that it got picked up by like real ass fucking news websites Mm-hmm, which means like cuz yeah cause like you'd go to a GameStop and some dipshit would fuck on your disc or whatever and what's your recourse? Is it nothing? Yeah. And with each console launch, I would say a lot of new sites are primed to find out that like, oh, dead pixels are shipping in one out of 10, you know, or something is fucked up about it right out of the gates and in this case

Starting point is 01:50:45 It's like no It's GameStop and or Best Buy's that are stapling the receipt through the box and the screen So close to the surface of the box and because of the way it's packed that they're putting scratches two points right into the fucking thing and so people are getting their damage percent wag of my finger to Nintendo used What the fuck? Why is the screen so close to the fucking thing. And so people are getting their damage. Now I'm getting a 1% wag of my finger to Nintendo. What the fuck? Why is the screen so close to the fucking exterior of the box? That's actually strange.

Starting point is 01:51:10 I mean, or have it face down or something. I mean, admittedly, you can do better than that for sure. But don't staple into my product, asshole. Don't staple into the box at all! Fuck off, don't destroy my shit. Well, you know, like, what if you're somebody that's like stop today said they were gonna send out replacements to everybody who got fucked on yeah and and like I did see people saying that like certain locations in the day were like oh yeah our bad sorry

Starting point is 01:51:35 you know but what a dumb fucking reason to just yeah anyway um I like the whole like I guess having it on the box to prove that this is a purchased one or whatever like Are there not can you not fucking tape it? Can you not you know anyway? Put it in the bag Why do you have to staple it all just put it in the fucking bag? shit's dumb dumbass Okey-doke so we've got the state of play we've got the Xbox game showcase and then we've got the summer games festival You know what hey, you know what let's just not talk about the PC gaming show at all sounds good I

Starting point is 01:52:19 Didn't it was not included there All right Let's do Sony say to play which by the way was like by far the best one to watch like not even close like No, okay difference so state of play went down and Yeah, there were a bunch of things that popped up there. I'm not sure like

Starting point is 01:52:41 What you care about more than others besides the obvious ones, but... I care about some things. Astrobot controller? Cool. I was wondering if that would happen. Hey, they're making the actual controller. That's cool. Astrobot's a cool thing. Yep, Baby Steps is coming along. Looks like it's gonna be funny. Is that a lot of that now? Uh-huh. And I'm like, the dialogue in's almost sounds like flight of the Concords is I don't like I don't like

Starting point is 01:53:07 That the gross ginger pajama man shares so much of my body type proportions That's that's too close to me. I don't like it. I mean he's pretty bottom-heavy But you know, I think it's I think it's uh, it's not that bad Blood stained the scarlet engagement Looks like I tell you man go one full co-op on that hole. I Felt like such an asshole because I was a hundred percent certain that was a Castlevania game. Mm-hmm And I was like, oh looks like bloodstained. I guess they're gonna do bloodstained Jonathan Charlotte bloodstained came up and I was like Yeah, okay, okay you saw them okay, yeah, yeah, I mean um, so after Berkeley steam

Starting point is 01:54:01 There there's there's no Castlevania full- 2D that's been like, yay, right? Nope. Okay. Well, I mean- Where's the Castlevania dread? That's what I would- Castlevania dread? That's what Mercury Steam took from me.

Starting point is 01:54:21 Inside of Vampire Survivors. Yeah, I guess it is. I guess it is. I guess it is Okay, so yeah, yeah, there's there's I mean hey shout outs to co-op shit happening again though Oh, yeah, and also bloodstained did have a patch that fixed the last fucked up pass that they put out so that's nice Oh something happened. Yeah a while ago. Okay, there was Karen Yeah, a while ago. Okay. There was Cairn. Not much to say on that.

Starting point is 01:54:48 Digimon story, Time Stranger. Oh, cool! Digimon continues to be a franchise. There was a nice little dialogue in that trailer that was like, What? You don't know anything about the Digiverse? Person who's never played a Digimon game in their life? I think that it's like like cool that there's a... they're doing their own thing and that exists and it's not a

Starting point is 01:55:12 franchise that's in the like Pokemon comparison realm, you know kind of thing. It's like it's clearly its own bit that's doing well and they got games and regular sequels and series coming out of that So that's dope Okay, Final Fantasy tactics the Ivalice Chronicles so this this is So first of all, it's by creative business unit three, which is the ff14 gang and the ff16 I saw that logo as soon as I saw that logo. I'm like

Starting point is 01:55:47 I saw that logo, I'm like, I'm like, oh, this is an FFT remaster slash remake that we have known about forever, like crazy forever. And I kept wondering like, hey, why is it taking so long to, oh, this is so much more ambitious than I thought it was going to be. Okay. So over the years, right? As someone who I admittedly, I played, I started Tactics. I never got super far in. I kind of stopped and then I restarted again.

Starting point is 01:56:10 And then there was the re-release, there was the PSP version. And over- There's never been a definitive version of Final Fantasy Tactics. And then Tactics Advance I put some more time into when I was carrying that in my pocket on the go on the bus. But over the years, everyone has always told me that this is is basically so a lot of people have said that this is their favorite

Starting point is 01:56:28 Right this a lot of people fancy a lot of people I remember people pointing out particularly like yeah I'll pick tactics over seven for example back in the day I'm a tactics over seven right now, and there's always been a caveat with like it's never been a perfect release There's always been something to it. Oh every version of the game is fucked up every single for even the original and Every time you hear about the details where you're like, oh the artwork here is like, you know doing cool new things Or they're they're respecting this or that I'm looking at this going now that looks cool Can anyone who knows this game inside out? Tell me why what's wrong. is there any problem with it so far

Starting point is 01:57:08 oh no oh what's happening they they're using AI upscaling sets can you turn it off no so it's the same thing that's happening with Front Mission 3. If you look at the portraits, you can really eyeball it. Is this a deal breaker? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I see somebody who already in the chat goes not buying. I am not talking about generative AI. I am talking about AI upscaling,

Starting point is 01:57:49 which is the same thing that Wooly used in the FF9 Mogri mod, for example, and I used in the Resident Evil 2 and 3 pre-rendered background upgrades. The thing SNK uses on their sprites when they do these re-releases of classic KOF, and it just blurs them up. It is a way to clean up old assets now. It's stupid as fuck

Starting point is 01:58:08 It doesn't look doesn't look great I know for a fact that with bravely default and this that they fucking have the old assets They literally have them they just did this because it's faster That being said There's two versions of the game you can play. You can play super classic, like it's a PlayStation 1 game with the old translation, or you can play the new version that has story changes, gameplay changes, and it has some filtering on it.

Starting point is 01:58:37 Personally, I'm actually really happy with the way the new version of the game looks. There's some minor artifacting on some of the portraits, but overall they've cleaned it up a little, but it still maintains that PlayStation one look. It's not smeared out to Vaseline like a bunch of SNK games were. Yeah, that that's the PS2. So the original AI upscaling was that like, yeah, 94 rebound style, like, oh, this is just making it look worse. Right.

Starting point is 01:59:05 And I thought they had come to a pretty perfect solution with the pixel remasters, at least when I played like FF6 and stuff, where it was like, we went back to the original pixel artist and they made new sprites that fit into the integrity of what it used to look like. But with the modern with modern tech, we can do much more with them and make them look amazing. And I thought that was the solution to this type of game. So what you want, when you buy the Final Fantasy Tactics

Starting point is 01:59:33 remaster, which is crazy that they're calling it a remaster because it's much more ambitious, you have two options. One of which is the PlayStation 1 version of the game with the PSP translation which is the version that you would recommend people to mod. Like you would recommend people to mod the PSP translation into the PlayStation 1 ROM and run it on PlayStation 1 emulator. That's the way you would recommend it.

Starting point is 02:00:01 Okay. Yeah, I just I remember when the PSP version came out, you know, back in the day with all, there was always caveats to like, this but that, and that but that, you know. So that is like the former peak. Great. Or, you can play the new version, which is cleaned up, and it says they have gameplay changes as well as new scenes and scenarios. So more? So does War of the Lions-

Starting point is 02:00:23 And full voice acting for the whole fucking game That's huge Not no minor AI upscaling flaw Is gonna compare to the fact that they have full that's great voice acting for the entire game Yeah, okay. Okay That's humongous Do you know if the translation applies to the war of the lions original included version as well the

Starting point is 02:00:55 Translation or the voice acting the translation the translation on both is the war of the lions version Okay, the good the good. Okay, okay translation. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right It's not like and Ben star is there also. Oh, he's every star will be playing dice of dark, which is great That's a great role for him. That motherfucker is everywhere. God damn Also, they have a bunch of ff14 actors playing characters in Final Fantasy tactics including I think one Who already played an ff tactics character in ff14 actors playing characters in Final Fantasy tactics including I think one Who already played an FF tactics character in FF 14? Okay Well because of the the Iveliss

Starting point is 02:01:33 crossover stuff So I is it just a vibe that like if there's a Final Fantasy project that gets announced like Ben star We'll kick a door down and just fucking hijack the bike Are inspired by Final Fantasy like fucking Claire obscure. He's there Incredible that's that's fun stuff cool. All right. Well, yeah, this is this has been one of those that yeah I'm like, okay, give me give me the give me the the dirt on it You know what's gonna be the issue and I hope you can turn that off at the very least, you know, nothing wrong with some old sprites these days, if they're crisp enough. No matter what, you're gonna end up playing

Starting point is 02:02:11 the fucking, the new version, because it has the voice acting scenes, and the gameplay rebalances, and yada yada yada. Well, like, I eyeballed the portraits myself. It is minor. Like know I know I everyone would prefer and it is better to have the old proper artwork scanned in correctly like that that is obvious and clear mm-hmm or get them we are talking about like to to see like this kind of thing and be but oh whatever F with all of this other shit is so fucking ridiculous

Starting point is 02:02:48 And it is getting more and more frustrating when I see People in the chat going. I hate AI shit. I'm like the it is so generative AI aka the plagiarism machine is not the same as something like DLSS or AI upscaling. It is not. And what I, but I completely different technologies that have similar names. But I've been hating on both for a while. I've been hating on the sprite blur effect that re-releases of games get because I don't like that look, you know, and going into like some of these, um, these old Capcom collections,

Starting point is 02:03:24 for example, I'm like turning that shit off aggressively everywhere. Yeah, especially when, again, Pixel Remaster, they went back and they got the Pixel Artist, you know, you could do that again. There's nothing stopping you guys, you know? But at least again, just at the bare minimum, have an option, right? Don't force it is the hope. So there you go. That's the big answer. They have the the two versions if you're if you're a purist you can always go play the purist version which is definitely what people have been

Starting point is 02:03:51 asking for and then the enhanced version is way way more than anyone was asking for okay so they also showed off ghost of Yote. So cool. Yep coming along Yeah, I'm down. You know, let's see what's let's see what's up with that Hiragami, I think it was that kind of colorful platformer with the paper Which would call it origami folding theme we got to see the io 007 project and We got to see it 35 times over this weekend, but not a single iota of gameplay

Starting point is 02:04:40 All like I mean as much as io is like the right studio for a bond absolutely game It makes perfect sense given the hitman. You know a series and everything That face is so Nathan Drake ish. Absolutely it is. Yeah, and I was like, that's that's not a bond vibe. It looks like James Bond jr. Man, yeah, he does. He really does you know, so I was like I that that seems that seems a little off but Let's see, you know in the meantime Le Chiffre and hanging out with 47. So, I was doing their thing. Luminous Arise, what if we made Tetris. Yo Luminous, woo!

Starting point is 02:05:15 What if Tetris Effect, except we did it to the other puzzle games though. The game that invented what if your puzzle game looked like a music video and had just fucking chill ass vibes. and you know it's it's a music like like that's music engine enhance are all like yeah fuck it we can we know what we are we grab some dance music and some EDM and we put some laser lights on top your puzzle game and make the blocks pretty go that's it that's all done that's a that's a job that can last a century. Just going back to great puzzle games and making them fucking rave-ified.

Starting point is 02:05:48 You know? Yeah. Good stuff. And then you got Marvel Toucon. Toucon. Toe? Toucon. I'm going Toucon. I got to... So how long is it gonna take for you know what I'm so stupid I I could type this in Marvel toke on

Starting point is 02:06:12 Give me an image mm-hmm. No one has photoshopped the characters smoking fat blunts yet. I am so So disappointed give it a second give it a second. It's coming Okay, so this Do we do we like? Do do you do you care for a? Start a short little Absolutely, let's go. I little walk through this for days. Okay. Well, I have this for days. Okay. Well, I have stopped watching a lot of these award shows as for the most part, the negative vibes of what goes up and feels bad when you're, you're

Starting point is 02:06:53 mostly watching. I don't give a fuck about any of these things. Yeah. Right. So that's, that's kind of the deal. Um, so we are also playing expedition 33 at the time and I was like, yeah, let me, let me play this fucking amazing game and Reggie was locked in, we were having a great time with it, so what happens is you get that announcement that like, oh shit's popping off during the award show, something else is happening. And this has happened before too.

Starting point is 02:07:20 I forgot what the other time, you know, this occurred was with a different trailer, but for the most part, that's just- I remember, yeah, I remember us talking about this, but I don't remember what it was. That's it. We're just doing that. Whenever that pops up and I see something's going on, we're like, okay, cool. The thought is, I'll check this out afterwards or so.

Starting point is 02:07:38 I'm not going to switch the show over right now and drop everything I'm doing because I cared about being focused on the thing and I know that I guess being a proper Twitch React streamer means like jumping into the award show the whole time and stuff but I enjoy staying focused on the thing we're on as we go about it. That's just my general. Just stream 10 times more often.

Starting point is 02:08:06 That is a solution. But all that to say that, so getting to the end of the stream, we had already heard about what the game was and that it was happening. And I had gotten proper messages. Everyone let me know and everything. So going into it, we pop it up and take a look and instead of the, you know,

Starting point is 02:08:31 holy shit, I'm watching this at the same time as everyone else and saw it and didn't see it coming out of nowhere, we got the, oh yes, it's what we've been told the whole day. It's a wildly different context. It is. And so we end up being like, oh shit, cool, look at that, right?

Starting point is 02:08:46 And that ends up being what we watch and that goes up. And then folks that are going through, Max is screaming and, you know, Sajam is screaming, Tasty Steve's, and then they go over to see what the Marvel guy, Marvel screaming hype man has to say. I had a nice pug. Aww.

Starting point is 02:09:06 Now they're open for Ghost. And instead you get that, right? And so then confusion occurs and you go, why isn't Marvel hype man super excited about crazy fighting game thing that looks amazing and showing that same level of energy? You're supposed to be the guy that's doing the that. And instead you seem to be disappointed and hate it and then you're looking for something to go what could possibly explain it? And then you you go at the end he talks about Capcom versus Capcom therefore he must hate all this because he actually just cares only about Capcom and

Starting point is 02:09:33 then a bunch of people and so a bunch of people then do the thing you know and to, I guess it's a bummer because I guess this is the sickest looking, hypest fighting game fucking thing that has probably ever happened. Arxys is continuing to make the peak of what is incredible visually that no one else can really catch up with. With Dragon Ball they did it. This is on that level as well. But when you're getting the we already know about it and we're going oh, yeah, okay after the full streaming You know day Reaction to things it just doesn't look or sound or feel the same as somebody going through it with everybody live during the show

Starting point is 02:10:22 Right. So all this to say that like we kind of go and see everybody that is posting about it, like giving us a ton of shit over the way we reacted and not popping off enough, et cetera. And you know, that's a bummer. We both get pretty collectively bummed about the vibe shift there, because it's like this is an amazing looking thing,

Starting point is 02:10:41 but the energy has become associated with it, to the point where this entire time now as we've been going Through the discussion and people were basically waiting to shit on me about like oh you fucking CapCut, etc But the game is incredible looking the context of that is what it was, you know Can I jump in on here over? Sure, man Cuz I this this this became like large enough that like I ended up talking about this scenario During the lies of p-stream I did like two days ago So first of all, I want to say I I don't know I don't know what planet this comes from because like

Starting point is 02:11:18 Willie you are not a born hater You're not you're not a born hater. You're one of those like reasonable people. Or at least you try to be reasonable. I'm a fucking born hater. I was fucking hating on things coming out the womb and seeing people shit on you for hating. And I'm like, Ooh, I'm excited. And then I go watched it. I like this is fucking I wanted, I wanted hate. I wanted, I wanted like tantrum. I wanted like baby shit You got done the other thing Was that I was like I don't know why anyone's ever gonna like bother trying to bust your balls in the interim prior to the podcast Cuz like that's my literal job

Starting point is 02:11:59 It's to bust your balls over sure But like what you got was us. And now, you didn't even throw a tantrum. Like, what am I supposed to bust your fucking balls over? You got us at 9 PM after we already knew what was coming, watching a thing and going, oh shit, yeah, that's pretty fucking cool, you know? And that's kind of it.

Starting point is 02:12:20 That's kind of it. But I think it's especially without that, you're kind of looking for and you're assuming that everybody's watching the show live and you're looking for that excitement and you don't see it here on the screaming Marvel guy, then you go, well, something must be wrong. Right? That seems to be the conclusion, I think, for the most part. And three, I got to say, it really showcases like an absolutely insane difference in our personalities because

Starting point is 02:12:48 I had a very similar thread about me because I rolled my eyes and didn't give a shit about Code Vein and a bunch of other anime games that had been shown off at one of these things. And there was a big old thread that was like, man, Patton's chatter's so negative. Oh, they got everything slopped and they don't give a fuck. It was highly similar. And instead of being like, ah, bummer, the next show that I loaded up, I went on this completely insane tirade

Starting point is 02:13:20 about how everyone on the subreddit's pussy bleeds too much and how they need to just nut up and play their goon games And then after I finished the stream the Xbox one there was a fucking thread calling crybaby pussy thread as yeah That's request as for the cause. I wasn't excited for fucking call of duty black ops 7 right right right? And you know and I had like it's the kind of thing where so this has Happened before where I've I've ignored an award show or a trailer show watched the thing after the stream and then it went up and it was not as excited a reaction for a thing that people were Wanted and people went why is he so bummed out in low energy and got mad at me for it

Starting point is 02:14:00 I forgot what it was but it was it was yeah, it was a thing right and um No, and yeah, and I just like, the, uh, the conclusion, because like what Reg and I were just talking about, we were just like, this fucking sucks, because this thing is super cool, and that association is lame. But there's a takeaway that is like, you know It would be so much easier if I just fucking faked it if I just completely If I just went off and what It's going down! It's going down! That's fucking crazy bro! Wait a second, will we? It's now! It's now!

Starting point is 02:14:49 If we just faked it, it would be so much easier. who plays jump scare games they find off of steam and then pog in tears and fear in the in the in the thumbnail that is free money in the bank because that was free money that you know what the funniest thing about shit storm was is is Shitstorm was this really incredible breakdown of why that entire cottage industry was complete nonsense. Because Matt and I played like over eight or nine years, we played like 150 fucking spooky games of various levels of quality and spookiness. And you, so here's the thing, I'm a massive fucking pussy

Starting point is 02:15:46 when it comes to scary games. Like I'm easily startled. I'm a fucking bitch. And you could watch from Shitstorm 1 to whatever as the same exact type of scares would just hit less and less and less and less and less. And by the time we get to the fucking last shitstorm that we did, there's like, oh yeah, he's in the bathroom.

Starting point is 02:16:14 Whoa, bathroom. Like, like there's only so much you can, you can fucking bring out of your fucking heart. And like, ironically, like all bit fucking aside, if I was watching live and it wasn't nine p.m. I probably would have absolutely popped. We would have. We absolutely would have had all that. But I just feel that for my own sanity, that is that is the jackpot on a roll of losses across every one of these shows that is like you never know when that magic moment's gonna happen and it would be cool if we knew but Because you got to go through hours of fucking whatever and we've you know taking the opposite solutions

Starting point is 02:16:56 primer my solution is Gotta watch every single one every single time. Yeah, I guess I guess that is that is a solution And and do you know you makes me think about that? Is the near automata reveal at the Square Enix thing. Yes, with Liam. When Liam lost his goddamn mind. I remember, I remember that. And it's the only one we didn't cover

Starting point is 02:17:16 for that entire period. I remember that moment too. And like, yeah, that was a moment of like, yo, that was a huge thing. And that could have absolutely, that was a lost moment. 100%. Right. Um, I guess it's just like the net positive of like capturing those moments for the games

Starting point is 02:17:32 we care about the most. Like Devil May Cry 5 is incredible. That was such a cool thing to capture. Right. I, that's not lost on me, but like what doesn't necessarily translate, I suppose on an off stream is the 95% of the shit that you don't give a goddamn fuck about? And then somebody puts, why do they even like video games? Oh, it seems like they hate them.

Starting point is 02:17:53 The death that I feel after hours of all of that, just negativity being, it sucks. It makes me feel bad. I don't enjoy it. Yeah, so you take your watch slop. It makes me feel bad. I don't enjoy it Watch slop it makes me fucking enjoy this job less and I'm like I I don't want to subject myself to that I want to care about the things I do so that's my defense against the dark arts Alright, so we've decided I'm gonna keep watching all of them and you will start faking it That'll do this that'll do just start thinking yeah yeah start making it they think it to you make it is super important um look this thing so

Starting point is 02:18:30 here's the other funny part too is that there was a leak list from some time ago with a bunch of shit on it that sounded impossible but on that on that list was the return of Ingrid you know so so I guess it wasn't that insane after all right? and You know all this to say that like This fucking looks like the best looking fighting game shit. It is ever it looks Unbelievably high it's super sick. I did it looks like a fantasy of what a fighting game would be for us.

Starting point is 02:19:06 And they knew what to show and how to show it and they knew to do a little like there's a launcher, there's an air combo, there's a mix up. Supreme confidence. Right? There's and everyone's screaming in Japanese as well and the artists like everything, the themes, it's doing it. So yeah, like system is down our system works is a Arc System Works

Starting point is 02:19:28 4v4 tag game that is overtly Japanese and has your Marvel characters Design it looks like it's the hero aka guy Yes, that's that's the I see those those connections, but they are explicitly designed acted Etc as if they were like sentai or common writers right right right it is just like each So there's been like oh my god. I talked about Marvel rivals for weeks because I was like man that Chinese anime Right shit on my right right is the fucking best Chinese anime shit on Marvel characters is the fucking best! It works really well, and I think they can see that. Back in the day, the Marvel manga verse was a thing where a lot of this kind of

Starting point is 02:20:13 what if we re-imagine them in a much more Japanese aesthetic from years ago, and they're leaning as heavy as possible into that. Which strikes me as, it's that same instinct that says, hey, Arxys, as they said in the description, you guys do what you do really well, don't try to do our thing, do your thing. Do your thing the best you can do it. And they did. They completely, yeah, better than Mangaverse did, for sure. They're leaning into the things that they put into their Guilty Gear work, and the things they put into Dragon Ball,

Starting point is 02:20:48 and being faithful with the, clearly there's a roster that needs to show off the face of Marvel, but also with enough originality to the design that you're like, oh yo, fuck, it's fucking Doom, Doom looks sick, he sounds sick, he's doing crazy shit. But also, hey, here's Kamala Khan, Ms. Marvel. So let's, hey, you know what? Let's just throw it out there right now.

Starting point is 02:21:11 Stretchy character. The hardest possible design in 3D. Right there, face roster. Yep. The craziest part about that leak list I was mentioning is that like it's mentioned ArcSys Marvel game and Marvel 4 still existing which is crazy. I'm like why right um That feels like someone got confused This clearly is the future of Marvel hyper fighting there does not need to be any sort of Marvel for Whatever for me with this existing like I'm looking at this and like all right

Starting point is 02:21:50 We we we like I thought 3v3 was like the theoretical upper maximum for a human beings Fucking like attention span and they're like no no one more more and they show clips of all eight Fucking characters on screen doing assists simultaneously Psychotic Jesus Christ, but here's the part that like I immediately I so what I mentioned I'm like you and a couple other people who have not like clicked as hard on the like tag versus games Yeah, but I don't play an Arc System Works game. Yes like tag versus games. Yeah, but I don't know how to play an Arc System Works game. Yes, but like I've heard from many people

Starting point is 02:22:27 that like too much going on on screen with too many assist characters is hard to follow and I get confused and it's too fast. So I don't get into those games as much. It's much easier to follow two characters moving slower. And so I go leaning all the way in to say, fuck you, the whole gang is on screen at once is so like Yeah, I guess you keep up or die

Starting point is 02:22:51 And then they're like listen listen pat yeah, yeah, yeah, who has trouble maintaining multiple sets of characters at the same time what if You just played one character With three assists, like you were playing that version of Skullgirls that Pat would play with Big Band. Oh, it's called King of Fighters 2001. Believe it or not.

Starting point is 02:23:15 Yeah, you could pick one character and three assists and just ignore them. I guess that's what I'm gonna fucking play for like a while on this fucking game. And that simplifies the amount that a player has to learn and allows them to just keep it simple and just go like, okay, I'm gonna stick with the one character. However-

Starting point is 02:23:30 And I saw Rufalmonger talking about it and it's like, oh, how would that system work? Oh, really easily. It's a one life bar game. Yep. And the soul- When you tag in, you literally see the Tokan soul going from the old character to the new character.

Starting point is 02:23:43 The fighting soul moves from one to another, fighting soul smooths from one to another exactly So you just keep the soul in one character the whole time and they all have Lifebar does that mean if I hit a bread and butter like the generic ass bread and butter one two three And it was super on four characters. That's the end. That's just the end of the fucking match right there I don't know how many touches it's gonna take to kill you I don't know you can keep getting demolished You know but the only thing is while that solves your problem with like keeping it simple with one character not getting overwhelmed with the amount on in your cans

Starting point is 02:24:19 My opponent's just crawling in with a camera You still have to block this mix-up son You still have to block this mix-up, son! This Doom left right is coming for your ass! And you better get motivated, white boy! Because I don't care if you're tagging or not! You're gonna get fucking mixed! Then shmixed! A character one busting into character two area.

Starting point is 02:24:39 Into a ground bounce with characters three and four on both sides of the ground bounce like make no mistake like skull girls you can just play a single character but your opponent will be doing crazy shit and filling the screen up and you better know how to block you know so that's that's the deal is like all right trade-offs trade-offs No, I won't. I refuse. I will. At the moment someone tags out, I'm quitting.

Starting point is 02:25:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I think it's a very interesting solution there. And I also imagine that the way that you have that slowdown and the soul transfers over is like, okay, this is the most visible you've seen a character switch happen. That's the important one. Hit that one now. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:25:33 Old Marvel games, they jump in and you see the little arrow and you're going. In 2XKO, you get the little handshake. But this is like, no, no, no. There's eight people standing on screen doing crazy shit from from Ironman into Star Lord go right So yeah, that's incredible. They also are like Doing the other thing too. It's an arcsis game But you see those launchers and stuff and you're like they're doing arcsis not guilty gear full-on

Starting point is 02:26:02 They're going there state There's's the transitions as they go from stage to stage and area to area. But you're seeing some of those Dragon Ball style air combos as well, full on Marvel style combos. You know, like they're doing, they're taking enough cues clearly from the Marvel versus Capcom bones of these characters

Starting point is 02:26:18 and gonna go their own way with it. Showing off that like the the you're gonna see eight characters every match. Jesus Christ. We talk about how a single one V one fighter allows you to get used to characters at a slower pace. Three V three you see six every time. Hunter Hunter has that issue because you're going to start seeing those characters too often to XKO same thing. And then yes, the big bit is they're revealing in one match more characters than the entire to XKO amount. That's fucking that's a problem. I would like to say I in an ideal world, I would like to say that I don't want to build

Starting point is 02:27:01 something up by necessarily putting something else down. And the reason I would like to say that is that I fucking love doing that. Yes, yes, yes. Like this, that, 2XKO what the fuck are you doing, what the shit. Now that is so, this looks so stupid. I will say that I feel the, like, there's, whatever, there's warranted, like, clear fucking, like, this should be a bigger roster over the amount of time this game has been made,

Starting point is 02:27:36 for sure, it's a humongous problem. Well, they're gonna show eight characters in one day, you know the roster's gonna be more than fucking 10? I feel like the, there's, I don't think, I'm seeing people that are like, you're dead on arrival, fuck that, it's over. I disagree with that, I don't think so. I would like to say that 2X KO'ed

Starting point is 02:27:59 and 2X KO'ed are really fucking funny. I just, whatever you can make work. I think the the free is probably going to be a pretty good thing for that game. Is in time. I think that's a pretty good thing for that game. And I also think that, like, they have the ability to get a move on, start getting these characters out there and Filling out that roster, you know because you're completely right. However

Starting point is 02:28:31 The free is incredibly appealing however, is it quite as appealing as Ironman saying do you want to learn how to do a fucking infinite? So many knees and this is where we get to we are it is cool to have things I Am as an enjoyer of things. It's cool that things exist, you know There's a I would say like to XKO definitely and and Marvel Tokan are in the, like, higher budget looking, uh, tag fighter realm. And then we get to the lower looking, like, Hunter, Nenpact,

Starting point is 02:29:11 and, uh, we'll get to Invincible Versus as well. And completing this era... We sure will! ...this era of tag slop, you know? Uh, but, uh, one thing is clear, is that in the absence of Marvel versus Capcom, a bunch of people all had the same idea Which is yo, I could fucking the fuck that space. Yeah, we can get inside that space and they did you know

Starting point is 02:29:33 And more than anything don't leave Arxis An unattended throne for too long listen listen. They'll fucking go for it. Okay, Odysseus He's never coming home. Okay, I don't give a shit I could fucking shoot this bullshit through those fucking axe handles. Watch me go. I got Iron Man to help me Yeah, so that's it I think the the like the momentum of just like the game looking sounding Being and just having everything incredible about it right out the gates from reveal to like there's no question mark about Any aspect of it yet so far right like if you know for some reason like we I can't I don't know what it would be

Starting point is 02:30:15 Right, maybe there's something where it's like, oh wait Those eight characters are eight of twelve and then it takes a really long time for more to come or so who knows what? What the future holds but but this is how you fucking reveal a game and like immediately, you know, take the throne, so to speak. I think as well that, you know, as I mentioned in that, that the, in the, when I was watching it, it's like, okay, cool.

Starting point is 02:30:39 Capcom doesn't need to do anything with this anymore. You can go off and make your own game, you know? The, it, game, you know, um the it Anyway, I like I feel like Capcom versus Capcom I'm like if bringing that up ever again at this point is probably just a fucking it's now now it's now it's a fucking You know negative so it's like whatever there's no point even revisiting at this point Oh, I think Street Fighter is like almost become Capcom versus Capcom at this point. Also, I think Street Fighter has like almost become Capcom versus Capcom.

Starting point is 02:31:11 In terms of getting characters in, right? But you know, we still like a bunch of these, we still want to be able to be like, hey, put these Devil May Cry characters in a game. Hey, you know, Gene from God Hand, it'd be fun to exist somewhere. Can I say something wildly controversial? As somebody who does not actually really like Marvel Comics. Mm-hmm. I would take Common Rider Captain America over like most of the Capcom roster. Sick. But that's because I love Common Rider. Mm-hmm. That has nothing to do with Captain America.

Starting point is 02:31:43 I mean, the fact that they're also giving it the, like, anime over the top edge is a particularly fun flavor for us ginormous weeaboo assholes. Also, there's no pretending that, like, seeing Kamala Khan in anime girl format with that, like, chibi face and eyes and stuff, and I and I'm like yeah that looks way better than a weird injustice realistic version of her would have looked. Also I would like to say that fucking Dr. Doom super being he pulls out a pistol and fucking shoots you. My name is Starlord remember it. It's so fucking normal and low stakes. Dude I mean the the memes at this point where we've already got the footage Overlapped with cutting into the suit so that Iron Man can go Jarvis. How many times has he blocked this mix-up? You know?

Starting point is 02:32:42 It's like zero out of the last four, sir. Okay. Add a fourth vector to it. We're going to go overhead and we're still going to go, we're going to go four way mix up, crouching low, crouching short. Okay. Do it again. You know, it's great. Like he's getting Jarvis is giving him frame data

Starting point is 02:32:56 or whatever. It absolutely writes itself. We have the momentum and what needs to happen as we've seen in all these cases is like, great, keep a roster going with a lot of fun picks that folks want to see behind it. Get some fun picks in there too. But the key to any tag fighter, any tag slop is going to be the size of that roster right I we saw it with Dragon Ball they they came out swinging with a massive Dragon Ball

Starting point is 02:33:30 roster and granted Dragon Ball characters fairly similar right that Dragon Ball characters kind of do the similar things perhaps one or two Goku's? However, since this has like Sony backing. I I. This game is bleeding money out its pores. It looks so fucking unbelievable and immaculate, and it got the biggest push from the state of play. I foresee at least 20. I yeah, I hope because ArcSys has clearly got the chops. They just need the ability and the, you know, the free strip of road to run as far as possible with it.

Starting point is 02:34:12 If they're feeding out characters to them, the way Rivals is going and they can look at Rivals. Nothing. Come on. No, no. Okay, okay, okay. Not that, okay, not that pace because fighting games don't release characters at that pace, but to say there is a regular stream

Starting point is 02:34:29 of characters showing up every couple months, there's a regular amount of cosmetics and costumes and fun stuff going on with the game. Everyone's seeing this and it's fresh and it's brand new and it's got all that hype behind it. If they keep that feeling going as well, like this is awesome. This absolutely can, you know, take know take as we said take that throne and fucking

Starting point is 02:34:49 before we get in before we even talk about like you know the size of the roster the roster they decided to show off for their trailer of eight is crazy strong it is it is a really fucking good first line on the character select. You've got the faces of Marvel. You've got the X-Men are important too. And we've got the Marvel versus Capcom characters that people remember and love and think are cool. Foot Dive.

Starting point is 02:35:22 But also because Foot Dive is coming to the movie theater soon. Right? Don't forget, there's a tie in there too. Right? We have the single most popular character in the world that has ever been, Spider-Man. And you know, look, I don't know how many people went to go see the Marvels, but yeah, Kamala Khan can be the freak pick. That's fine. But also, it's not the movie version. It's the one everyone wanted.

Starting point is 02:35:49 She's out there stretching and having fun. Absolutely. The hope is that they do the thing that the artists did back in the day, flipping through the characters and going, all right, so when you have the infinite days where they're like, you have to push the movie things back. Fuck that. The before that in the Marvel versus Capcom days where they're like, what the fucks capes, capes, capes, capes, Schumacher, you know, that's a weird one. Who's in this fucking trailer, by the way, there's, there's little, there's little background. There's part of the stage. There's homages, yeah. There's a bunch of little cameo things that people are catching.

Starting point is 02:36:29 In that interview when they said, yeah, we're going to have the faces of the company, we're going to have characters that are in there for like, they've never been playable before, and then we're going to have some just variety picks for fun. I'm like, great, that's what you want to do, you know, if a season has five characters in them, you know, two of them being like flagships, two of them being, you know, beloved B-tier and then C being what? Why? Howard the Duck, you know, then I think you have a decent a decent recipe as well, but I think you have a decent recipe as well. But I think to not feel the problems people have felt with roster stuff on these games,

Starting point is 02:37:12 I'm going to say they got to start with like 20. With four characters, with four characters a piece per team each game and how quickly we're going to get used to seeing them, they got to start with minimum 20. Yeah. Hey, listen, hey, do you hear, hey, if you had a tag game, you should probably have fucking minimum 20 characters, can you, oh, I hope so, I hope so. And, you know, hopefully they don't hit too samey, you know?

Starting point is 02:37:37 But anyway. You know, I'm actually gonna change what I'm saying. I think the minimum, I think it needs to be divisible by eight. I think, I think. Okay, okay, okay okay okay okay okay you're yeah yeah however many are on screen multiplied by a particular number right okay I see you so 2x ko like the bare minimum I would have expected ever would have been 12 right yeah you know what I

Starting point is 02:38:06 agree with people in chat no Thor beta ray bill instead just get the fucking horse out there yeah and have an alternate costume for him be Thor um alternate costume is actually what's her name Jane beta ray bill alt Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, do hope that the, you know, whatever long winded explanation for what's up, you know, add some context for anybody. But the clear, I think, like the fact that that was the last trailer of the show means they knew what they were doing. And they knew that's the fucking closer, right? closer right like I'm watching this trailer while we're talking and it's like there's a there's like a spark in my heart which is like Spider-Man in this fucking thing like he is closer to the emissary of hell than has ever been

Starting point is 02:39:16 and he's ever been spider-man the emissary of hell wow he really did start he might get a big fucking circle spider-man started common writer it's is the first Kamen Rider. Wow, he really did start, he really did start. It's a big fucking circle. Spider-Man started Kamen Rider, it's true. And instead of doing a spider sting, he does a big fucking backwards slow down Spidey senses dodge, which looks awesome. So you're like, all right, this is also gonna be

Starting point is 02:39:42 not the move list you're used to. We're gonna have some some different takes on it, you know Good shit Yeah, arcsis man. I mean literally just absolutely crushing the game right now and There are some

Starting point is 02:40:00 FGC heads that are like do-mers on strive that are kind of like down on that game that are that you know don't like the direction That's not doesn't cease to exist when Marvel versus Capcom comes out But uh yeah the ability for this team to now like have you know this be one of their one of their flagships is Super duper great for those realized. It's the new ghost rider Robbie. Yes, because he's driving a car Yeah, they that was that came up in the little afterwards thing as well. I think yeah, man they um They have the that whole old platinum guns for hire thing arxis is Fully guns for hire has become hey do you want a prima? Guns for hire has become hey do you want a prima premier licensed fighting game go to go to Arc System Works? And do you want it to look the best of the genre where we're putting it in then yeah?

Starting point is 02:40:50 We got you are let okay. Let's just say let's just say the game fucking Plays like shit. That's a piece of fuck right right up until the second that it comes out It's gonna show real good It's Arc System Works right? So marketing dickheads are gonna be like oh who gives a shit if it's oh fuck look at it it's pretty. Yeah I mean you know this is one for the the fucking steam spy number comparison crew to start following going like oh this game's how many live players on this after this many weeks will

Starting point is 02:41:28 Because it says Marvel on the fucking thing. That's the hope that's the hope it's it's it's not it's not a free-to-play But you know what I bet dude I bet Because they this this is in the mix for a while this this trailer looks like these characters look super clean and the you know I bet they're working on this and they're like Hope people still care about those Marvel characters, and then they look at what's going on with Marvel rivals And they just are fucking punching the air But the important part is to recognize as well that, you know, like people that, like basically fighting games

Starting point is 02:42:10 would ask you for a big chunk of your time for an indeterminate period of time. And there are people that are down for that. People, you know, and then there's a group of people that are like, I wanna buy this or play this the same way I play other games, which is for a month of my attention And then i'm planning to move on and you got to do something to keep my attention Otherwise, it's gravitating back to whatever else is going on, you know

Starting point is 02:42:38 Um, if they're aware of that and go into this game plan You know keeping in mind that the drift is real, right? Some will lock in and be like, I enjoy fucking playing this, and I'm down for just play this for a long time. But for the most part, keeping a wave of content that keeps people interested is the only way to, you know,

Starting point is 02:42:59 keep a wider audience interested in a fighting game after that couple of months period. So here's the thing. You know what I think this game is gonna be? I think this is gonna be a two button fighting game. Pfft, Evil Zone, how dare you? How dare you? No, I think it's gonna be light and heavy

Starting point is 02:43:21 and tag, tag, tag, dust. A tag for each character? Yeah. Seems like a waste of a button or three. Well, it's either tag or assist. Because remember, everybody needs an assist button. ABC, A1, A2, A3. But yeah, I think it's going to be closer to DBZ in terms of control than it is gonna be strive I

Starting point is 02:43:50 Could see that um I hope that I think three assist buttons is pretty nutty I'm also thinking I think fucking 4v4 Yeah, it is. I'm also thinking about a controller. You know what I'm kind of wondering like, hmm, does that work nicely on a controller? If you have, I guess you kind of force one of the assists onto the shoulders. What they could do is like hold R1 and hit button on space to tag or assist. It'd be like assist button, assist or tag and then like the fourth button would be like snap back. Hmm. Yeah, I think pressing like forward plus assist or tag, and then the fourth button would be snap back.

Starting point is 02:44:26 Yeah, I think pressing forward plus assist or back plus assist is probably gonna be too specific for a lot of people. So yeah, I'm not too sure yet. We'll see, we'll see. But looks fucking incredible. Also, one of the trends with some of these tag slops as we're going is the motion controls

Starting point is 02:44:43 are kind of being discarded. and I hope this keeps them. I hope this doesn't discard them, you know, they haven't done a game like that yet. Oh no, it has motions. Beautiful. They describe it has motions, but I believe it also has modern mode. Of course. Yeah, you have some equivalent. Yeah, that's mandatory at this point for sure. Okay, we still got some more to go through, but that's fuckin' Tokon. Too many games sounding like Tekken out there, man.

Starting point is 02:45:13 There's Tekken, there's Tokon, there's Teppen, there's Pokken. Well, I mean, get in the fuckin' face of whoever invented Japanese. Like, get in their face and be like, your words sound too samey well I mean For a fighting game like it you could you could you could you know you could?

Starting point is 02:45:32 Go a little bit more different in the way it sounds but Marble fighting souls sounds pretty cool. I like that All right ninja guidance rage-bound, little more of that. Cool. That's the totality of my thoughts on it. Yeah, it looks good. Yeah, it's the Ninja Gaiden is back as a series and hey, you know, new platinum helping out Team Ninja.

Starting point is 02:46:01 Team Ninja seemed like they were doing good shit on their own, but let's see what's up. And this kind of platformer, you know, amazing sprite work looking thing as well. That's dope. Neo 3 is a pretty cool game to drop. Hey, they're making Neo 3 into the fucking game that I have been asking for for like the whole time this series has existed. What was specifically? Also has much larger open levels like a Dark Souls game rather than the super linear ones

Starting point is 02:46:27 that the New York games have. Instead of the stages, open it up. They have the auto equip from Stranger of Paradise. Lovely. The thing that I used to get through the entirety of Stranger of Paradise. Was that character a custom character? That was that? Yeah, it was. the was that a okay?

Starting point is 02:46:46 Cuz yeah, that's I was going through kind of quickly But I wasn't sure if the if that was a you know neo 2 style make your own or if it was a You're playing as a dude You can also you can also do Auto-equip two different weight classes So you can do I would would, you can be like, auto equip the heaviest, most offensive shit, I don't give a fuck.

Starting point is 02:47:09 Or you can be like, auto equip everything up until like 50% weight. The final version of Nioh 3 in the future might become the most quality of life game in existence, surpassing, I don't know, Baldur's Gate 3. I don't know like I feel like it might Just just riding that train from neo one all the way up in terms of just quality of life improvements It might become the most incredible

Starting point is 02:47:37 What they do with those games? Then we saw a trailer for pragmata which got announced a while ago, but now a little bit more And that trailer weirded me the fuck out really bad Yeah, little girl on your shoulders as you as you shoot. I mean no weirded me the fuck out is that that looks like my child Like a lot. Oh like a lot because we haven't cut his hair yet cuz we're emotional I See well does your child have analytical fucking robo powers and is basically waiting to

Starting point is 02:48:17 Help you Laser blasts a in a Mega Man way or Astro Boy kind of way. I don't know too too bad Wait for the girl to say too bad Yeah Hey new new Capcom franchise cool. Let's see what's up. Yeah, you're gonna do third person shoot a gun in a Capcom game, okay? Great, they're trying you know hey look dinosaur fucking killing yeah, nobody gave a gosh Okay, don't even talk to me. Can it's who got me Yeah, it's pretty good. Actually. That's pretty good. I played a bunch of that. It's really good

Starting point is 02:48:52 They're they're like like capcom's doing new IPs respect respect the effort. There's also onamusha. That's not new nope Miyamoto Musashi of course and then hey look at the end. They're like it's big wasn't they didn't it wasn't Miyamoto Musashi, of course, and then, hey, look, at the end, they're like, it's... It wasn't Sasaki Kojiro, it was Sasaki... Ganryu, they said, which is the school style that he's learning and teaching. There's this really strange thing that happens with games that take place in a certain Japanese historical period where they'll mention a name and people in my chat will be like, oh shit, I'm like, aha, yeah, loo boo.

Starting point is 02:49:29 I'm like, I don't fucking know. And the thing is, it's like you see that dude and you're like, oh, that's the Musashi must have his Kojiro. And you're like, he's in the trailer being all like, ehh, Musashi, bah, being a little foppish asshole. And you're like- He's being Goh Gondantes from fucking, what's it, Onwisher 2. But you're just like, Musashi was the asshole in real life.

Starting point is 02:49:56 He showed up three days late with a fucking oar. He's a cheating son of a bitch. Fuck that. Don't put that on him because of the history books! You know? Like, Kojiro showed up for it! Musashi was all, ehhh, fucking, you know? Like, what a dick! And no, we get to shit on his name now for Onimusha purposes.

Starting point is 02:50:16 Oh, what an asshole. He's the best. Yeah, if you can't, yeah, like, if you're dead then you suck game over losing means you shouldn't have tried Onimusha and then we saw what was there okay Romeo is a dead man I mean talk about the fastest ever this is a grasshopper game without the logo showing up. It was really funny. It was really, really, really funny.

Starting point is 02:50:50 Because I've been talking a lot about, we have a lot more games coming out from different regions of the world. And so you'll see a game like Stellar Blade, right? And you'll be like, I bet a fucking Koreans made that because that plastic lady's ass is huge and like sure enough it's the Nikkei gang right or you'll be like ah is this like a Chinese anime aesthetic or like oh this feels like Western Europe right or then there's like

Starting point is 02:51:14 Ukrainian stuff right but then there's fuck the region let's go down to like singular individuals and like we watch like fucking 10 seconds of this thing or a suit of 51 Seconds dude, I mean the dude gets his face clawed and then like he runs over and goes I'm gonna save you and you're like, oh, yeah. Okay. All right done. All right, and done Yeah, that that looks it looks like it's from the same universe as like Killer is Dead almost, you know? But I mean, it's its own wild shit, clearly. Then we saw Sea of Remnants, Silent Hill F.

Starting point is 02:52:01 Looks good. Looks cool. Looks cool. Looks scary. Looks cool. Looks cool. Looks scary. Coming out September. Yeah. I, I, I, the, the particular bit where like she's walking past like the kind of fucked up students that are like frozen and like they're talking to you and you know, saying

Starting point is 02:52:19 like, oh, they're jealous or so. And like, I think she was like pulling the like knives out of one at some point or so. I think she was pulling the knives out of one at some point or so. And I was like, oh, are you helping people that are then going to become the monsters to try to kill you? But you're an asshole if you leave them the state. And then, yeah, Thief VR. In association with Eidos Montreal. Hey, how about that? Tides of Tomorrow, yeah, okay, that was Sony. But they showed Project Defiant, which is an arcade stick.

Starting point is 02:53:01 And it took them- They showed that arcade stick earlier, and I was like, that's fucking weird. Sony doesn't put out any fucking fighting game well it took them long enough but they bought evo right like Sony and Poke main are you know basically jumped in there so you're like well yeah it makes sense that you would do this eventually and that's nice I'm looking at the stick and I'm like that fine I don't really I don't even play on stick anymore, right? And then they're like, Ooh, it's a wireless stick.

Starting point is 02:53:28 If that's a good wireless stick, we're fucking talking now. And so the question and you can get wires in and out, which is, it's pretty particularly convenient. That's a game changer. The hope is when you see the little rise in the faceplate, I'm hoping that you can swap buttons out and put in some parts that you want to customize. I don't recognize the shape of those buttons, and if they're not Sanwa, I don't know that I want to fuck with them. I've gotten pretty...

Starting point is 02:53:59 What if they're better than Sanwa? I mean, they're not. Your alternatives are limited. You've've got American style competition push buttons If you're feeling weird and frisky you can go with some crowns out there But I wouldn't fuck with any like Horis are also out there And they've there you know but a lot of buttons that are like the sticks that feel good feel good because they've got a JLF In them and sad well buttons. That's the so apparently mark man helped on this so hey excellent All right, so it's gonna be good good good good good

Starting point is 02:54:27 Mark man wouldn't put his fucking name on a piece of shit. That's that's that's a great fucking cosine the only thing now is I'm just like Sony you clearly like these games and you've been willing to flagship Street Fighter as a thing for the console and you know like, like with the last time around, and again, buying part of Evo and all this bit. Why the fuck do you refuse to just put a disconnect all Bluetooth devices option in the settings? I don't know why it would take them two seconds in the software to do that, and they just don't. Now shut up.

Starting point is 02:55:00 That's the number one thing that could help everyone. Now quiet now. In this community, but they fucking won't do it. Desync all, please. But yeah, let's see how this stick looks. Wireless is something that needed to happen a while ago for sure, because there have been wireless sticks in the past and they've had lag and bullshit that just made it non-non-starter.

Starting point is 02:55:18 Okay, we have to move on. Let's go X gotta take a quick break cuz dogs hiding over by the door Which means it's piss time for him big pisses big piss piss lop to Ready That dog didn't piss he just sprinted to the house because he was actually a fat little pig so I fed him ball It's actually pig slop I fed him. It's actually pig slop. Okay. Do we, do we, do we, we dive it,

Starting point is 02:55:54 we drive it so hard into the ground that we break new ground and crack it open, revealing all kinds of slop that was never before seen. Oh, slop internal. Slop eternal. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right. Also I got a Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Oh All right Also, I got a muffin. Oh, by the way, I don't have I canceled D&D this week So we don't actually have the hard out we usually do Okay, well my brain does so, you know, let's let's keep it going Xbox game showcase Let's keep it going. Xbox Game Showcase.

Starting point is 02:56:26 The big flagship being the Outer Worlds 2. And... There's been a lot of time on it. There's something kind of weird tonally. I'm sure there's a word for this, and maybe you can help me, because I feel like your background and education. For obsidian, I have a little bit more understanding. Yeah, no, there's a word for this and maybe you can help me because I feel like your background and education. Oh, well, for obsidian, I have a little bit more understanding.

Starting point is 02:56:47 Yeah, no, there's that. But then also on a socio-political level, something about the game being like we're ribbing capitalism while expressly participating in this very forthcoming way. The Deadpool trailer kind of hit that joke a little bit before, but in this one, it's like, you're not Disco Elysium. What's your angle here? Because the bad guy says it a bunch. And it's dissonant.

Starting point is 02:57:21 It's a dissonant moment, I think, that hits in this trailer for Outer Worlds 2. I don't know. All capitalism can subsume all critiques of capitalism within capitalism. It's the Squid Games situation. Of course, yes, yes. Also, the game costs $80. No, we've quoted Joyce a billion times, you know, but it's like, um, the, the, when the, when the criticism particularly rings, especially hollow, it's just extra like,

Starting point is 02:57:50 Outer Worlds one had some serious issues with it's like, it's, it wanted to be super insightful in its critique of like a political system, but that critique was that it sucked and didn't actually go into depth at all. What have it sucked even worse? It was not actually that interesting. A couple bits were really funny. Moon Man is hilarious. Okay. The disco route, as we mentioned, is the full-on, we're engaging with the material and I don't care whether or not you've read theory, what the fuck do you know about dialectical materialism, right? And then there's...

Starting point is 02:58:30 I don't know fucking shit, man. I don't know a goddamn thing. Yeah. Well, you know, there are points in history when two things that are conflicting must meet up and the solution to that is where we move forward. And it goes on. But then there's the cyberpunk way, which is you fucking get a, again, you play Chase with this fluff words for the bourgeoisie and taking down, you know, marching in the name of freedom and equality and everything. And it turns out to just be this fucking absolute

Starting point is 02:59:04 slop. Slop is the origins of this fake movement. And it becomes one of the funniest hilarious like dress downs. One of the core critiques of cyberpunk and disco is like, yeah we can all sit around and fucking jerk ourselves off to theory all day and worry about the minutia of details, but dumb shits like Johnny out there are fucking doing dumb shit and doing things. And they don't know shit from ass.

Starting point is 02:59:40 Believing in it, yeah, yeah, it's fantastic. So you get the version over here. Yeah, you know, that's that. They showed High on Life 2. Five, wow. Mm-hmm. A Plague Tales legacy resonance. Hey, rats.

Starting point is 03:00:02 Mm-hmm. There were no rats in that trailer. There were no rats in that trailer. There were no rats in that trailer. That was so crazy. There was not a single rat in that. When it said a plague tale, I was like, the rat story? That is so, dude, it is so nuts. I can't think of a single game I've ever seen in which it had like a market absence of its

Starting point is 03:00:22 singular defining factor. That was a Transformers trailer its singular defining factor. That was a Transformers trailer with no robots whatsoever. It's baffling. But then you see the Minotaur at the end and you're like, ah, what is a Minotaur if not a big rat? Big? I don't fucking know. I don't know.

Starting point is 03:00:42 But that game will have rats. There will be rats in that fucking game We talked about the rogue ally What a fucking Did they put out gonna cost nine hundred fucking dollars did they put out a spec sheet I know okay, but I mean you ballpark it Curious where it falls a steam deck beefier than a steam deck for the problem like for the price What do you what do you you know? What are you doing? Yeah

Starting point is 03:01:08 Okay, I have Kind of I'm surprised it took this long for this game to exist But super meat boy 3d kind of does give me a little like oh finally we're doing it. Yeah I I really like me super meat boy Blood of the Dawnwalker. That is by former CD Projekt devs who are making a smaller scale Witcher game, but don't have the Witcher license, so it's vampires. We do it ourselves.

Starting point is 03:01:39 I expect that game to be ambitious and massively fucked up. game to be ambitious and massively fucked up. Oh, all the hallmarks without the team size to run it into a better state later on. Oh, it'll be in a better state later on for sure. But later on is a broad time period. Ninja Gaiden 4 we touched on already. Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. Sure. Sure. Beast of Reincarnation. Was that the Game Freak game? That is the Game Freak game. Yeah. True to Game Freak, they showed off a trailer with this fucking framerate going single digits.

Starting point is 03:02:22 Like legitimately unbelievable. fucking stop that what a strange company that I can that I no longer recognize from its origins you know oh the little poke up the Pokemon guys is just yeah we're not there and to be for the they they they were around before that. But still. I thought this was Wild Hearts when I fucking started looking at it. I really did too. I thought it was Wild Hearts.

Starting point is 03:02:50 It looked a lot like Wild Hearts. Yeah. It's so wild. Sure. Go Game Freak. Let your Game Freak frag fly. You do you. Break out from the chains of your Pokemon oppression? Put them back on in 18 months Clockwork revolution

Starting point is 03:03:16 That game looks really interesting So I guess the aesthetic was happening right in between seeing the outerer World stuff and then what's the Russian one? Tom McCart. Yeah. So I was like, oh, there's a, it kind of does a little bit of a blur there, but I didn't spend too much time on it. Well, what caught your interest? Clockwork Revolution looks like what I thought Outer Worlds was going to be.

Starting point is 03:03:40 Oh. It is very much that style of game But the trailer that they put out and the breakdown of its various systems was genuinely impressive and more than anything I talked a lot about Like they showed off an Outer Worlds trailer and I was like why the fuck it in this gigantic fucking RPG where you're scrounging and talking for most of the time Do you not see any fucking dialogue prompts in the goddamn fucking trailer? It's like, it's stupid. And then sure enough, this showed off a bunch of dialogue mechanics in the trailer and they showed off their primary hook is that you

Starting point is 03:04:14 can go back and change your decisions whenever the fuck you want to and just see what the fuck it would do. So we used to complain about like bullshot trailers that were just all lies all pre-rendered There's nothing here. You're looking at at all It's you might have to wait about that by the way that's that's so yes But like you might as well have just released a logo and a date because whatever yeah, right And then elder scrolls six or seven trailer or whatever the fuck seven years old today And then we got like okay, it's still pre-rendered

Starting point is 03:04:44 But now the camera is panning behind to make it seem like a... Oh, anthem, anthem, my dear. And you're like, you fucking jackoffs, you assholes, right? Now I feel like there's enough trailers that take place all in-engine, and it'll sometimes tell you, hey, this is all in-engine. But if you don't ever get to see like a HUD at any point or anything resembling what the actual flow of play looks like, it might as well just be a pre-rendered trailer. You know?

Starting point is 03:05:10 Like the visual fidelity part, like we're enough generations past that where we're not like, oh, look at the fluid and the cloth dynamics. It's like, whatever. How do you play the thing? Is a question I have a lot of the time. And there's a lot of trailers that are still kind of like, don't worry about it, you'll find out soon,

Starting point is 03:05:28 but just look at the pretty. Look at the theme and hear the breathy vocals and call it a day. The Clockwork Revolution trailer has a bit that basically breaks down how you get into character creation, and shows off a little bit about that, which is way more granular than I would ever expect for something like this. And it looks really interesting. There was a pretty cool looking steampunk robot shaped golden thing.

Starting point is 03:05:53 Oh yeah, they got good puppets in there. That was like, okay, okay, good design. Alright, there was, what was there? Grounded 2. The obsidian, apparently Grounded 1 did did really well so good for them. Well Chronos the new dawn I don't know what that is it was the big horror survival thing and it I I don't really know but wow I'm looking at it. I still kind of survived the nest

Starting point is 03:06:24 This is the the blooper And they got the vagina helmet Sure, sure. Sure. Yeah, it's the blooper of a pussy helmet. Yeah, got it elder scrolls online Mm-hmm Aphelion the the climbing game What else no ghost at Ghosts at the Grand. Age of Mythology retold.

Starting point is 03:06:47 Moodang, Two Hearts. I guess a Korean soldier man. Like the action game seems like. Yeah. Pretty visually. See what else is going on, but pretty to look at. Planet of Lana 2, Fallout 76, Solo leveling, Arise Overdrive, the four player co-op solo leveling game. That's really funny.

Starting point is 03:07:14 That is, yeah, is it? Is it? Then Nemo, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, three plus four. Okay, okay, Doomguy, sure, have fun. That's a good pick. Ninja Turtles, that I can't believe that didn't already happen. And I can't believe. Also, excellent pick, yeah, absolutely. I kind of go, I can't believe the Ninja Turtles didn't make their own skateboarding game, you know,

Starting point is 03:07:38 almost, like that's a pick that should have happened back in the day, really. Okay, and then at fate's end, this caught my fucking attention. The 2D seemed like you're a 1v1, 1-in character. There's a lot of swords getting pulled out of heads and or backs places. Interesting moments where you do an action thing

Starting point is 03:08:04 and then you see a bunch of cards pop up and you pick a move. It just looked fucking sick. Spiritfarer devs, yeah, parrying going on. I don't know what I was looking at, but I threw that up on the wishlist immediately. It looks dope as hell. I can't tell if it's action or turns or both,

Starting point is 03:08:23 but I was very, very, I thought that looked super sick. Gears of War reloaded. Yeah, hey, stop re-releasing the first one and re-release the second and third one. I mean, I like how the first thing you see in the trailer is just General Ram just going, bah! Like that moment is like, I'm like, yeah, that is Gears of War one, right?

Starting point is 03:08:43 It's that moment, that, I'm like, yeah, that is Gears of War 1, right? It's that moment. That's the takeaway. And yeah, nowadays too, do you ever go back and watch the reveals or trailers for things when they, like years past when it's come out? Absolutely. I recently went back and watched some Bioshock Infinite trailers because people were making fun of it and I've just laughed and laughed and laughed. Isn't it interesting to go see the trailers where the first 30 seconds are meant for you to not know what you're looking at? Yeah. So persona for revival persona for re-slop four, re-slop.

Starting point is 03:09:25 Yeah, re-slop. We re-slop it. Re-slopping out here. Re-slop. The first bits are just moving through in ABBA, but you don't know it's in ABBA and you're like, look at this classroom, look at these streets. You know, and then... Well, here's the problem with that.

Starting point is 03:09:38 The problem with that is that, like, you don't get very far into there before you recognize it You'd like you like the the floodplain is from an uncommon angle, but like once you see the classroom You're like I don't have fucking classroom. I It took the piano. I heard the piano when I went ah You know Classroom that's where mr. Moroka tells you that everyone in this class is a whore And I'll still take that over kamashita So hey, yeah protect you from you know

Starting point is 03:10:17 fellow students Impugning on your on your dignity. Mm-hmm Fucking teachers in that series, Jesus. Was that literal, sarcastic, or metaphorical? Yes. Actually, well, no, I think I remember we talked about this, but it was like, they actually overplayed their hand because it never gets worse than that first fucking

Starting point is 03:10:46 Castle like that. Yeah, no, they actually Wanted to start strong You you started way too strong like I don't give a fuck about like I didn't call I didn't call an ambulance Yeah, number two and you're like that's Man Yeah. Number two and you're like that's... Come on man. All right. So P-Far revival is coming back and yeah. Hey wasn't that trailer like the most Yuri Lowenthal made us fucking release something

Starting point is 03:11:14 because this shit doesn't look ready at all? I... You would expect to hear a voice or two, you know? It's just like, no, just confirming its existence. And officially too, they put out the tweet where they're just like, yeah, hey, we're excited to let you know a thing. And like, yeah, they have nothing really to show,

Starting point is 03:11:34 you know, yet so far. The leaked clip of Persona 3 Reload that came out over a year before its announcement looked more final than the real trailer we saw of Persona 4 Revival on Sunday. Now, to be completely fair, Metaphor is insanely massive. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:11:57 And I don't know when they started working on this, but like, re-that and and p3 reload Dropped not too long before they've been busy with humongous projects. That's true So to be fair persona 4 is a much much larger project in scope than persona 3 is Because the TV dungeon is an order of magnitude more complex than Tartarus. And we're building off of that to be even bigger. So this is a gargantuan undertaking

Starting point is 03:12:32 off of two pretty humongous gargantuan undertakings that they're working on. So I'm like, they're busy over there, you know, realistic. I don't know, by the way, did you, I don't know if we talked about this, but have you looked at the shit for Raido Kusanoha versus the Mysterious Armies remaster? Not a ton.

Starting point is 03:12:53 So this is something that just really flew over my head because they did not do a good job showing it off. So it's got full voice acting. That's cool. Would have helped. Right? It has all the changes from 2's battle system in 1. Also cool. Going backwards. Would have helped. But they didn't, like the old backgrounds were like shitty and bad looking. So the entire game has been remade in full 3D. It's not pre-rendered. The entirety of every area is in full 3D. So this is not a re-release.

Starting point is 03:13:32 This is not a re-release or a remaster. This is a complete remake of the game. It's a full-blown remake that they are calling a remaster here. I have time-stamped a clip to send you. Why? I don't know You should be very forthcoming about when something is a humongous remake undertaking look at the shit. I just sent you It'll fuck up the sound on the thing if I turn your sound off The problem is when you click play in the thing and it doesn't okay. Well, whatever it doesn't work But I'll fucking 3d. Okay

Starting point is 03:14:10 Yeah, that's like a bigger fucking deal than I would have Conceived of advertise that tell people that's crazy Is it maybe is it like something where they're like? Oh, well if we want to call it a remake we would Change so much more about the game play. I think they have an internal definition of remake and remaster that is different from every other company. They're like, we need new content. We need new things.

Starting point is 03:14:35 It does have new content. Then I guess it's just not crossing the threshold for them, you know? But yeah, if you're re-fucking making every environment and you're able to move through them in full 3D, then absolutely. Also, random battles don't work the same anymore. You don't get random battled and just walking through bullshit. Mm-hmm, because no, definitely while we were playing

Starting point is 03:14:54 through one, LP-ing it, everyone was saying that the game gets a lot better in two, you know? Much better, it's crazy. Mm-hmm. I would describe Rydo 1 as the game with the single most oppressive random battles of any game I've ever played We we had a time we had an inescapable There's literally not a single screen in the entire game. You can get away It's fucking crazy. Mm-hmm. It's like overall like it's that

Starting point is 03:15:21 There's that cool element of being like oh you're fighting alongside your demon buddies in action instead of the turn-based style. But yeah, I didn't get to play the improvements. So sick. Once again, sometimes, hey, sometimes I time it just right. Sometimes. Other times you time it just wrong. Just wrong.

Starting point is 03:15:40 Cyberpunk is coming back with yeah and then they showed off invincible versus man oh boy that throne was vacant for too long man I thought it was another realm game because it looks stiff it looks like it the way they fly and hold, they hold pose for the camera, like Netherrealm, Injustice-style characters. You hear the fight, and you see the gore. The fight, I was like, oh, that's Injustice.

Starting point is 03:16:15 I was 100% certain. It's super weird, it's super weird, because it feels very, very Netherrealm, but it's actually double helix. Yeah, it's actually killer instinct. And they didn't advertise that in the trailer. They just said Xbox right? They just said it it's an Xbox game, but it's the KI team from the from season one You know and so this is something that like a number of folks have already knew about and got their hands on and so Like yeah, there's a whole system in place there and rip rip, you know, of tech and commentary fame is, is

Starting point is 03:16:47 battle designing it as well. The the the decision to like, okay, there's that there's that part of it. There's the you're looking at kind of the action. I'm like, okay, there's there's just tag combos, three v three sits going. Invincible is rad as hell. It's awesome. It's a game that or it's a world that I think, yeah, would suit well for a game. It could have been, it didn't have to be a fighting game necessarily. It could have been a number of other genres, but there definitely are some like things that come to mind here where I go, okay, the KI team is sick and they've made fun games and I

Starting point is 03:17:26 super like how things play and I like the fun of how that game turned out. I mean, even though it switched hands and became Iron Galaxy afterwards and such, KI was a lot of fun. Here you're looking at a lot of characters that are very, they fly and or don't fly, but they kind of just punch and beat you up in a brawler kind of ways and I think of the rest of the cast and there's a few people that might be different, but there is a kind of 80 Goku's Problem where I don't know Significantly worse than that. So I'm not big on invincible. My my main exposure to it has been TikTok clips at random. There are five Superman

Starting point is 03:18:10 in this trailer. One of them is a superwoman. So hold on, before, so when we talk about Goku and Superman like there's the 40 Goku's that's true Can in can Johnny invincible sorry can mark invincible do a spirit bomb? No, can he do anything other than fly and punch and kick as Far as seasons one to three are concerned no that seems seasons one to three are concerned, no. That seems insanely limiting for a huge proportion of your cast. It's very worrying, right? Now here's the other thing.

Starting point is 03:18:53 There is a lot of, when you go through Invincible, there are a lot of costumes that you can see Invincible wearing under different- Oh yeah, all the alternate guys. Under different contexts. I don't know if they're gonna necessarily turn those into different completely playable characters. They could if they wanted to say,

Starting point is 03:19:12 well, this one's attitude is perhaps a little different when he looks like this, but to just keep it, keep it in general, there's enough of a flying brawler issue without going into alternates per se, but once you include them, it's like, oh boy, oh boy, actually just like- Are there like 10 characters that are just Mark? I mean, yeah, if they wanted to, they could. I'm talking about from a character moveset perspective. They could do that if they wanted to. I hope they don't, if they wanted to they could I'm talking about from a character move set perspective They could do that if they wanted to I hope they don't but they then there's other the Seth Rogen weirdo That Allen Allen the alien island the alien yes, there are there are so many different and cat wharf

Starting point is 03:19:58 so hoping that they don't hoping that they don't take the multicolored ninja Multi-shadow bait type of thing from back in the day Yeah, unique powers are not necessarily a thing that goes on that goes too heavy here so a lot of the regular Guardians of the globe and team team Team team and you know support etc characters are kind of just like generic Not generic, but like they're super powered dudes and super powered guys and gals

Starting point is 03:20:29 Because I know that I know that the Eve girl. She's basically green lantern, but pink yeah She's pink lantern and I know that the the guy you see in the trailer He can throw things that explode and I know there's a little girl that turns into a monster. You know there's a robot yeah and Yeah, there's the there's a little girl that turns into a monster. You know, there's a robot. Yeah. And there's the, what's her name? The Duplicate. Duplicate and Multi-Paul. That's a cool idea for a character. And Multi-Paul is also on the table as well.

Starting point is 03:20:54 But when I, oh, that's really fucking funny. That's really funny. It's great. It's great. But when I see clips of Invincible, it is two guys that look like Superman flying and punching each other through the audience. Yeah. So this is where the the Mauler twins can come in and be pretty original if they play together. This is where Cecil can come in

Starting point is 03:21:15 and be interesting as well. Oh, the Goggins. The Goggins. Goggins can come in and potentially be, I mean, one, like he's a human being, but still, like, I don't know, find a way, you know, find a fucking Lex Luther-ish solution. There's, this is the thing, it's like, it's not a death sentence for like lore for reasons, but it means that you have to be extremely creative about your move list, and you have to go extra hard to make them original, and the trailer is not showing much besides brawling super punches.

Starting point is 03:21:49 Okay, I have an idea for a character that Double Helix has... No, they didn't do that. That was Iron Galaxy that did that. Because they did season one of KI, these guys. Because I'm like, okay, there's a, I don't know his name, but there's a black guy wearing a suit with a gigantic brain. Oh, yes. He does portals. Yes, you have, he's one of the villains, Alster.

Starting point is 03:22:15 Okay, anyway, point being, they should have that guy play like Garganos from KI, where he opens up portals and all those Mark dudes beat you through the portals like fists and then you can have that entire fucking cast do that. They should have been in this trailer if they were going to do that. There are some characters that can be super fun kits for fighting games, absolutely, right? Or even just by limitation of kind of like, like, like there's a little, there's a little kid, invincible kind of kid. That's like, you know, Oh him struggling to do stuff could be kind of fun in the way he hits you.

Starting point is 03:22:53 And, and, you know, you can find, yeah, you can find ways, right. So, and then you've, you can also just through sheer size, volume, and energy, fucking, god damn it, Conquest is another character who's just a big fucking brawler that can be awesome. What's his powers? He's punching and kicking, but the thought is-

Starting point is 03:23:20 Does he fly? He does. The thought is, if you go back to, almost like almost like what arxist did with Dragon Ball Right like you're like the same gray outfit as the rest of them. He does If you that doesn't help man that part doesn't help for shit So what I would do if I were trying my hardest to make these characters stand out from each other because his size stands out But there's still what you all those things you just said you would go through the panels you go through the moments in the show what's up something something and then there is all those

Starting point is 03:23:54 things that you just said yes there's every there's every there you know but like what you know right but essentially like back when you're looking at the trailers for the Dragon Ball characters in DBFZ, you're like, oh, Arxys went frame by frame, panel by panel, and made sure that everything someone did had was a moment that existed, right? Trunks going change the future, bam, right? All these little movements that are like,

Starting point is 03:24:18 oh, they did this attack in this place in this moment. Absolutely, 100%. So that's where you take a flying, punching Superman style Superman and go, actually what he did was grab you more and slam you into a bunch of things. So he's a grappler. He's not actually gonna be a punch kicking man.

Starting point is 03:24:35 Or you find all the things that are more accurate to like, yeah, what their moves are and you try to create some uniqueness there. But just at a glance when you're watching the trailer, it has costume Sammy Brawler feeling and that's not helping, right? I think that having three characters that are flying Superman with,

Starting point is 03:24:57 that have nothing but punching and kicking at super strength that are wearing the same outfit was maybe a god awful start to showing that off. Like, there's an invincible that doesn't wear goggles who has such a fucking sick attitude that I'm like down to see just like this version of a character that's just much more like battle thirsty, you know, but much more like like just hungry for the fight. I you could do stuff with that. But is there not like a version of this game that has 25 characters

Starting point is 03:25:30 and it's like 12 marks and a bunch of Viltrumites and like the worst case scenario? The worst, the worst timeline that Angstrom opens up a portal to is what you're describing. And like that's that's kind of the bit. And then there's another level to this where you're like, they also like the game looks fine, but it certainly is not coming off of Marvel Fighting Souls token levels of that's that's that's crazy. Right. I feel really bad because I'm sure double helix are're working their ass off, and this is gonna be quality game, but they lost out on

Starting point is 03:26:12 the price is right showdown Take her pass like that is just it happened Within days is crazy because everyone everyone thought they're coming for the Marvel throne right everyone thought Within days is crazy because everyone everyone thought they're coming for the Marvel throne right everyone thought Only one can really take it, but they you're gonna. You know what they got they got two dollars on the fucking starting round of You bet one dollar and someone says to go fuck yourself And that's crazy just they'll you'll never see hate in someone's fucking eyes. Oh, that's salt Yeah, yeah, bet one dollar on the third turn. And you know that, like, here's the thing,

Starting point is 03:26:50 Hunter x Hunter still looks less than that, though, right? Like, Hunter x Hunter looks like the most budget of all of these things coming through. Oh, of course, because it is, it's Hunter x Hunter, man. But what I will say is that, like, if the game is fun enough while being humble about what they're aiming for, I'm hoping for good things for Double Helix

Starting point is 03:27:14 because Battle for the Grid, the Power Ranger fighting game comes to mind. That game had a very small budget and it is not visually impressive. It is not doing a whole lot besides having sick ass gameplay. But it's fun. It's fun as fuck, right? They, Clockwork got in there with the team

Starting point is 03:27:35 and they just went ham and said, all we have is how fun the team fighting can be. And they did a good job with that. That it's been a great game ever since. I've heard good things about that Power Rangers game. Yep. Yep. You've got a limited time.

Starting point is 03:27:48 You've got a limited budget. But you've got some basics. Polish it the fuck up and make it fun to play. And so if this feels like fun to play regardless, then cool. And some people that got hands-on are, you know, Max and Justin folks are talking and saying that, like, yeah, it feels fun and that there's some good stuff going on with what Double Helix is doing.

Starting point is 03:28:06 So it also has like, there's no motions. It's got a modern mode only kind of color button scheme and there's combo breakers in the form of like tag interruptions and stuff. Yeah, I just think that like, the fun of the game is basically, it's only shot to being, you know, like, to standing out amongst all these tag games coming out. But the roster being all supermen. Can I put in?

Starting point is 03:28:41 It's a dragon that it's like we make fun of. Yeah, because I was going to say like we would laugh at the Goku's but like laugh at the Goku's but at the end of the day like You know There are who's been around since like 1985 and has done many things But there are go any types of things the Goku can do But I think at the end of the day in Dragon Ball the Goku count was in the single digits. It was. If we enter double digits on

Starting point is 03:29:09 invincible, fuck man, fuck. Don't do it guys. Fighting games have come out for a while. We've been seeing fighting games in one stripe or another. 91. We're coming up on 30 years, right? No, we're past 30 years. We're coming up on 40 years of fighting games. I might be crazy. Maybe I'm not tied in, but I have played a couple of fighting games and I have talked to you about them for a while. And we're talking about Tokon and 2XKO and

Starting point is 03:29:45 this and that and it's like I feel like at the end of the day over and over and over every year every decade like the first and last question about a new fighting game is who's in it almost every single time we watched Capcom kill themselves With Street Fighter 3 going everybody's new and just the total violent backlash to that and Like the discussion about every single one of these games between us, but I see it elsewhere It starts and ends with the roster It's your doom is in the new fucking Marvel game. Oh shit. I love doom

Starting point is 03:30:31 For a ton of people it is a toy box with some toys in it Okay, I don't know shit. Why are put talking about spawn over and over I Don't know What does spawn have to do with the discussion? We're having right now. I don't know. What does Spawn have to do with the discussion we're having right now? I don't know. But anyway, you need to have fun toys in that toy box, man. Image Comics? Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 03:30:56 Invincible is Image Comics. Image Comics, yes. Spawn is from Image Comics. He's in the comics. Spawn is in Invincible. Oh, well then I've only watched the show I don't know about okay Well, then they they should fucking put spawn in this fucking game that would be that would be one way to do it That would do it. Yeah

Starting point is 03:31:17 There is a there is a not spider-man character. That's not actually spider-man Like unless some crazy shit happens happens beyond what I know about, there is a clearly, this is our own version world of the character, unless you guys are talking about something else. But yeah, they could hypothetically do that too. Ah, okay, in the comics, it was... All right, it was different in the comics. All right, got it.

Starting point is 03:31:52 Anyway, this looks to be one of the biggest problems with the game. Hey, when is Riot gonna fucking give a release date to 2xKO with all these fucking games coming out? Hopefully by EVO. I would, if I was working on 2xKO, I would want my game to come out before all of my direct competitors did after I got a 10 fucking year head start. I think, yeah, I think the move would be to do that and to also just be like, yo, here's the characters. Cause there's already soft confirmations for, you know,

Starting point is 03:32:33 characters that have shown up in like background sketches or screens of videos that they've had by and stuff, you know? So there's unannounced bits. And I kind of think like the, the, the, the, the, the, the leak that happens where Capcom has all the guest where they have their full game roster come out pre-emptively that actually turns out to be a good thing where everyone's like okay cool we know how many are we know the full group we know everybody in

Starting point is 03:32:58 advance and it's all there they kind of need one of those you know I have an idea for 2x ko so one of the big benefits to 2x ko is it's gonna be free right what if they made it freer and you get a five dollar gift card for League of Legends when you download it. That'll get everybody to download it. That's more free than free. I thought you were going to say you get a premium costume after a certain amount of. No, they pay you. Ah, they pay you in riot fun bucks. It's a yeah, it's like I said, man, there is, this is a do or die moment that they have a chance here

Starting point is 03:33:53 and it's got to be, it's got to be just getting that roster up to stuff. Because if the roster size doubles, right, in a fucking insane, like, it's never going to happen. But I'm just I'm talking. I'm just saying, like if there was a game, there was a reality where there was a much bigger roster size to this game, you know, you would be looking at this going, OK, well, it'll be free. There'll be some stuff going on and it'll have League of Legends people

Starting point is 03:34:19 like happy with their guessing which characters are going to show up kind of thing. But, you know, when you and it certainly again, it looks like the game that is most visually impressive compared to the others we're talking about. But yeah, when Marvel Tokat is around the corner and just absolutely stands to serve everything that people are hoping for with this, the only specifics you kind of have left are like, okay, League of Legends, specific fans that want to see that, you know, come through. But if we don't see some news about like, just like a speed up in like our characters

Starting point is 03:34:55 or some sort of, you know, some sort of announcement for what's coming, it's going to be, it's going to be fucking rough, man. Bro, I have, I have like the stupidest thought in my mind right now. I have this image of like the 2XKO character announcement waiting room with everyone screaming about Marvel Tohkon outside and invincible and people going,

Starting point is 03:35:19 oh man, the final character reveal for fucking 2XKO better be the fucking best character ever and it's just fucking fucking talon just sitting on a bench sweating his fucking ass off Just the single most sauceless. Oh my god generic bitch in fucking legal edge blade and Cape men Just oh fuck. Oh I was going to say Garen except we know it's not Garen so alright. It's so it's so world to do it's a world it's so wild. It's a world buddy. It's a world. It's so wild to just look at this world where you're like, okay, there's like suddenly a ton of these games and like,

Starting point is 03:36:12 this one has the looks, this one has the gameplay, this one doesn't cost anybody. Does that really like, oh fuck, I don't want that to be the fucking selling point, shit, man! And you're like, it's definitely just like, oh this, where are we, this is strange, you know? I'm not a doomer on 2XKO, but I think, but I wanna see it turn around.

Starting point is 03:36:44 I'm sure it'll stick around long enough to get a larger roster. I just think it like, dude, it should be out fucking today. Yeah. Like today. No, it took too long. It's taken too long, 100%. I'm just, I'm not doomer on the entire idea

Starting point is 03:37:00 of a League of Legends based fighting game and the fun that the game is. Like, Wully, you love your wife, right? You adore your wife. She's a wonderful lady, right? She's all right. And is. Like, Wully, you love your wife, right? You adore your wife. She's a wonderful lady, right? She's all right. And she's like, Wully, I've gone to the grocery store, I've gotten gourmet shit,

Starting point is 03:37:10 I'm gonna make the fucking best fucking meal ever. And she spends nine and a half hours in the kitchen and gives you sloppy joes. You're like, you're not gonna neanderthal out, right? But you're gonna be like, really? I mean, to be fair, I've had some fucking primo sloppy Joes. But I got a mean sloppy Joe. But I get what you're getting at, yes, yes.

Starting point is 03:37:36 And this is crucial, it's fun to doomer. Yeah, dude, hey, listen. This is crucial. This is non-shit. You know I want to push back against something. You know, people are like, oh, it's better to like lift things up than shut up. It's fucking fun as shit to tear things down. It's hilarious. No, things makes you feel good inside. Okay. It sucks. Well, I literally spent a bit of this podcast earlier describing that like at some point I die inside with all of the negative like I just I rather rocked out

Starting point is 03:38:15 We're different people it's it'd be how it is that's just too bad damn that That word's gonna fucking come back to haunt so fuck dude like I was like chasing after him I'm like I need to change your diaper and he was going too bad and like running me ragged through the kitchen the thing is I guess at the at the end of it though like when I'm looking at it and going like okay here's a here's the weird problem with like this tag fighter like here's a like hunter hunter with the buttons and this with the Superman and that with the roster and so on like There is a I never would have imagined a like I can't hold all these tag fighters

Starting point is 03:38:56 And then you're gonna be like, you know what? I don't need to hold this one But but one of these fucking games is gonna die a horrible fucking death in ignomy and it's not gonna be Marvel token It's not um the licensed fighter like caveat is sort of like this thing where a Licensed game. It's like okay hunter hunter, this could have come out back on the PS2 or it could have come out now. That will go back to wherever it came from and maybe there'll be some other random Hunter Hunter game.

Starting point is 03:39:33 It's like, you know, there's Bleach, there's Dragon Ball, there's Shonen Jump things, like you might, you'll see it, whatever. It's just, it's an attempt that goes onto that list more than it stands out as a like. Hell yeah, brother, I'm going to fight for you. Let's go. And now you have night and then you have this. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 03:39:51 Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's it. You know, as I let myself become the plays blue cross tag of this generation. But that's that's that's if the games have issues that are like, if the game is not fun to play at the end of the day, no matter which one we're talking about, that's going to be the legacy of it. I'm convinced that fighting game fans at some point don't care if their game is fun to play?

Starting point is 03:40:25 I like fighting games. I don't know if you know this about me, Paul. I'm aware of that. But I do enjoy them. And I enjoy when they exist. And I enjoy when I can go and play them. And when they're healthy and there's a lot of them going around, that is cool. Once upon a time, it wasn't always a zero-sum situation.

Starting point is 03:40:47 You know, the one being around did not mean that the other had to die. So there can be more than one fighting game. Well, we're in the attention economy here. But this is what's changed. And to support something over time, and to come back and be like, I'm going to get that DLC or I'm going to keep talking about it or whatever the case is.

Starting point is 03:41:09 Yes. The, the attention economy has, has made it a different thing now. Right. You're asking people to stay in your camp after that initial purchase. You know, it's a, it's a different situation and you got gotta do more. Did we even talk about the Street Fighter DLC characters? The leaks were real. I was still going down the Xbox list. What was that during the Sony thing? Uh... Well, yeah, they announced Alex, Sagat, Ingrid, and um...

Starting point is 03:41:47 Oh, what is that Xbox? And Viper. Summer Games Fest? Those designs all look great. It was at the... yes, it's in my list on the Summer Games Fest stuff, yeah. Oh, okay. I like what I'm seeing the the style is pretty sick I have again this team knows what the fuck they're doing. So if we're jumping ahead, you know, then I'll just say that I

Starting point is 03:42:12 Wish the goth looked more different from his five incarnation You know, he looks I was kind of hoping for like a bigger change up over time He's got these kind of rags on that, you know Kind of look a little like he he didn in five and a little bit of that, like it was like one of Ryu's early prototypes as well from six that they kind of went with. He looks skinny, he looks a little bit thinner. There was an angle where it looked like the scar

Starting point is 03:42:36 was fading away, so some people were thinking that was lower. But if you see from other shots, no, it's still there. And he's aged, so he's got a little bit of that grizzled beard and mustache and beard and stuff. But yeah, I just kind of wanted him to look a little more different costume-wise. I do think perhaps the cloak feeling is appropriate for him, the kind of tattered warrior vibe.

Starting point is 03:43:05 But new bison in a cloak steals that thunder a little bit. Absolutely. So what is left for Sagat? You see him doing tiger shots with the black and white stripes on, or the black and yellow stripes on them. I think that's a really cool detail. Very cool detail, for sure. Because it's like a tiger, you see.

Starting point is 03:43:23 Yeah. That's crazy. And I hope that we follow down the pathway of him basically becoming a hero. You know, like he's a good guy. Revenge was his deal and he was on a quest for it but there's these great moments of him growing over the years that uh I wanna see them lean into, you know? Um Viper just uh so I've seen her get photoshopped into a bunch of scenarios, one of which was like standing next to some dude I didn't recognize and I was like, wait a minute, that's a One

Starting point is 03:43:50 Piece cop. That's one of the officers with the shoulder pads and stuff. Admiral. Oh, Adam Sandler? Adam Sandler from One Piece? From One Piece? Yeah. Sure. Yes, and? I don't know what you want me to... There's an Admiral in Goddamn One Piece. It looks just like Adam Sandler. I see. Okay. So yeah, she looks like an Admiral. Yeah. And one piece it looks just like Adam Sandler. I see okay, so yeah, she looks like an admiral and yeah

Starting point is 03:44:31 She looks sick. I really like her design from before this is this is fucking great, too Good energy, and I can't wait to see what drive rush fierce faint fierce looks like When she has all these double taps and insane execution requirement. They're not gonna do the same thing They're gonna change her up a lot I'm glad that C viper is Going down the trend of the coolest way to wear your coat is to not put your arms through the sleeves shoulders Shoulders, baby. It's so sick Only badass is where jackets over the shoulders. It's such a good look. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking kanji and just, you know, you got that. It gives you that extra bulk and it's not a cape,

Starting point is 03:45:12 you know? It's great. And then her next costume can just be she put the jacket on. Then we got Ingrid, who is... Looks very different. I think that Nakayama and the Street Fighter directing team can save Ingrid. I think it can be done. You can do anything. Anything is possible. Her origins suck and I don't like her and I feel like she doesn't feel like she... I also don't like her.

Starting point is 03:45:42 Yeah. And I've seen a lot of... I've seen people coming back around going why all the Ingrid hate I don't you know discourse will yeah, and I've engaged in some of that discourse and And I'd like to say that Guy who hates negativity and hates that people hate Ingrid for no good reason you type of guy are doing more to make people hate Ingrid

Starting point is 03:46:08 than anything that anyone could ever encounter is. Because this devil's advocate, it's been 20 years, why do you still hate this fucker? Get over it. It is the most polarizing shit. Oh my God. I mean, you could just say, I like Ingrid, but I guess that there's a different way. No, they won't admit it They'll never admit it. No, I'm just I'm just I just hate on negativity man Mm-hmm. Well, I don't know about the whole for no reason thing and I don't know if people are describing 13 youtuber opinion situation where people like nobody played Ingrid. I played Ingrid. Yeah, well, it was long No, no, no, no, no, Your starting statement was that I hated her even though

Starting point is 03:46:47 I didn't play her. I played her in both the games she was in. She sucked. I've given my reasons many a time over the years. I think her style of combat doesn't fit into the world. It feels like it doesn't belong. It feels much more, again, it's a magical girl type of send up, but you can do that in ways that would fit better with Street Fighter. I think her design is not that interesting compared to the other, if you want school girls. I actually dig her design. I like her color palette, but that's it. She's doing Athena type stuff for sure, but like you can do, there's other school girls

Starting point is 03:47:21 that in the rival schools and Street Fighter universes. She looks like a KOF XI reject character. That fit great and make more sense. And then you have the unfortunate mistranslation of her inclusion that made her seem like she was the goddess of psycho power so that everyone was like, oh god, she's also the strongest canonical lore character. And it's a mistranslation. It's not true. but it doesn't matter

Starting point is 03:47:45 because she still is the thing behind Pandora's Box. And she's the strongest canonical deity in the world. So you're like, oh, this character that we don't like that sucks also is like the god of this universe or whatever that sucks. And then yeah, she also was full flagshiped in there's three, there's her, there was Rook and there's DD two through other characters

Starting point is 03:48:04 that looked way cooler that should have existed elsewhere she got picked to be saved from Capcom fighting all-stars so it feels bad that she was the worst of the three to pick out and then she got debuted in a bad game which is Capcom fighting all-stars which again you know like that's the game she's in. There's no reason to ever like go to bat for this character from a historical perspective other than you really like her design and maybe her moveset Perhaps, you know, but all the other things going on just were like bad inclusion bad use bad bad game bad alternatives Bad all of those things and then at the bare bare simple at the raw basics when I first saw her

Starting point is 03:48:38 I was just like this doesn't fit well with this world This doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that a Street Fighter character should look like. Hold on a second. Hi, buddy. Hi. Apparently, Paige just turned on the stream and he just pointed at the screen and yelled, DAAAHH! Hey, buddy.

Starting point is 03:48:54 I love you. Too bad. Too bad. Hey, hey, you like old Ingrid? Wait, no, Paige, turn the stream off. Turn the stream off right now It'll just repeat anything. We say you can't you can't watch the podcast anymore Why you why you still hate ingrid too bad?

Starting point is 03:49:19 Yeah quick teach him a slur I would never So I'm too bad right now Yeah, quick teach him a slur. No. I would never. So, um. He's going too bad right now. Yeah. In there. So I think that Ingrid can absolutely be salvaged, and we'll just have to see what they do. But her design already looks better.

Starting point is 03:49:41 I hope that her moves and moveset and buttons look and are cooler. And I'd love it if it turned out that she was not the goddess of this world all along. She was just fucking crazy. She's a liar. She's a liar. And in her brain, she thought she was the goddess, but she was absolutely just hallucinating and living in her own reality and just tripping balls on magic dust. I think that there is one specific group of Street Fighter fans that should see Ingrid

Starting point is 03:50:18 on this poster and get super mad, and that is Rose and Monat fans. Ah. Cause. That's the spot? That's the slot? Magic woman spot. Dude, if Ingrid is a Chunie, oh my God, that would be so sick. She just believes, she's a middle school fucking ADHD girl. That's just like no I got magical powers though behold power of the moon

Starting point is 03:50:50 She doesn't have nothing. Oh That'd be so sick that'd be good. Yeah, oh, I can't wait. Please do please do And then hey guess what fucking Kenny Omega as Alex as Kenny Omega Guess what? Fucking Kenny Omega as Alex as Kenny Omega. He just he's like, yep, that's my dude. I got to say something about this this reveal that makes me really sad, like really sad. And that is that Alex is the last one. He's coming at the end.

Starting point is 03:51:20 He's going to be summer of 20. Oh no winter 26. Have you seen the have you seen the also behind the Ingrid questionings, right? You get the like, why Alex again? Why is Alex getting this treatment? Why is a lot of, I've seen some people going like, I don't get what's so special about Alex. And it's like, he's awesome. He's super cool.

Starting point is 03:51:43 We like him. He's great. We support Alex over here. We are Alex Stans. Right? Do it for Tom. I love Alex. Even though Tom was like, you don't have to do it. Do it for Tom anyway.

Starting point is 03:51:52 Yeah, see that's hilarious. Right? But beyond that, the whole like, but why though? It's like, because Alex represents Third Strike at Street Fighter III as the protagonist of that era. So Ryu is the protagonist of the franchise, but every series has its main character, so to speak. Alex is that.

Starting point is 03:52:14 Rashid is the Street Fighter V poster protagonist. Yeah, he totally has his name. Abel was the poster protagonist of Street Fighter IV, but Abel fucking sucks and everybody hates him, so they're goodbye Abel. Luke. Released by Manon, like directly. Luke is the protagonist for Street Fighter VI.

Starting point is 03:52:32 That's why he's all over, that's why he's the main thing. But then Alex Lee started shitposting, and now we love him. Right, so the reason for these posters, characters representing the franchise they're coming from, is because that's what they are, that's the priority they get. Right. Alex represents that franchise. Right. Also, not only that does he represent the Street Fighter 3 generation, but he also is his move set is a representation of the entire series because he has motion

Starting point is 03:53:00 inputs. He has charge inputs, and 360, and grapple inputs, right? He's all of the above, he's all of Street Fighter come together in one character, which is like represent, like what that symbolizes too is also something that's cool. So like I think that's what they're going for, and they're like, yeah, we wanna bring some Street Fighter

Starting point is 03:53:19 three in, we're bringing in Alex, that makes sense. He rules. Can Able be saved? I don't know but fucks men know I Don't zishin like it's over. I don't care to find out I don't Yeah, so, you know, we'll see he's coming in but I am with the jacket cool I've always wanted him to have the jacket. He's the face markings going on the hat like sure buddy why not man you know so be it but I've always liked him with the bomber jacket so that's cool and I guess you know this is where I'm supposed to say like Makoto fans on suicide watch such as myself but you know this is a fine season. Nothing wrong with that.

Starting point is 03:54:05 I would actually love if we saw another Rival Schools guest. I think that'd be really fun. You know, next summer. The roster for Street Fighter VI is really good. Like, I, like, yeah, I'm a die-hard Third Strike fan. I'd love to see Makoto, but like, Elena just came out like three days ago. She's fucking awesome. I

Starting point is 03:54:30 Don't have it within my heart to legitimately complain all I can hate complain all day like that Powers my shit up. But like you know, come on This is a great roster and if I could if I could hail Mary, you know, the, the, the football down the field, I would love to see. That's what you do. A lot of folks expect the four Kings to make their return and I would expect Vaughn, Klawe, Vega to make his return. Oh, at this point?

Starting point is 03:54:57 Oh yeah, absolutely. But God damn it. How sick would it be if it was fallen Balrog, which was the fucked up version of him in Cannon Spike that was like ugly and all disheveled that his beauty has failed him. Like Fallen Balrog from Cannon Spike coming back as Vega unhinged, he lost it, he doesn't have the sparkle anymore, you know? I would love to see some change with his character if he came back It'd be great To claws I've never seen this character to claws hair all disheveled darker

Starting point is 03:55:37 Fucked up just Freeman from Gero. Yeah, it's not too bad. Not too far from Freeman. Actually, it is kind of just Freeman But yeah to claws extra violent and extra violent, and he couldn't handle being scarred and damaged and his beauty being taken away from him. Gothen up. Okay, so beyond that... Beyond that, I would love to see Claw look older and be having a mental breakdown about it. It'd be great. It'd be great.

Starting point is 03:56:13 Yeah. And this game has not been shy about getting like, they're like, oh, let's get Cammie doing shit from the Street Fighter animated movie. They're getting references in there that nobody expected to see. So I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Pull in something interesting. Because Vega just being, he's cool, but there is not much to him beyond him hating Cami

Starting point is 03:56:32 and having that beauty obsession bit. There is not a ton going on with him over the years. And Udon had some fun stuff, but I would love to see a big departure for him. Because the characters either, like Sagat has his arc, Balrog fucking finds Ed and has his arc Bison is going through his weird arc you know find something for this dude fuck him up he's he's been pretty for too long I would love to play his fucking boxer in

Starting point is 03:57:00 Street Fighter 6 I fucking love to play his boxer in SF6 dude. Would you take it over dudders? No no no let's not say stupid shit. Let's not get violent. What are you fucking stupid? No. Okay just checking. But I'm just saying aww I really like boxer. Mm-hmm Yeah, all right so beyond Street Fighter if I want if they put Dudley into Street Fighter 6 I want the Rose to be a core part of his kit It's actually just a move. Yeah, I want it to be a real move and I want it to be like a part of his Setup gameplay make it a fucking super. And if it hits you, some crazy shit happens. He hits you with a car. And Mr. Gotch crashes a helicopter into you.

Starting point is 03:57:50 Yeah, no, he throws a rose at you. Like, K throws his glasses and it blinds you a little bit. And then it just cuts to Gotch just running you over with a car. And that's the level 3. And while you get ran over, he has a quick spot of tea. Yeah, sure, there quick spot of tea. Yeah, sure, there it is, yeah. Tea break, crumpets.

Starting point is 03:58:09 Absolutely. Lovely. All right, beyond that, what did we see? Keeper, Call of Duty blops. Caught blops. That trailer. One more thing, it's Call of Duty, bitch. It was funny because it was like

Starting point is 03:58:28 a cinematic story kind of trailer. So like you get excited for something fantasy or you know something. Is this prey? Is this a series of some kind of, yeah what is going on here? Like it's called, oh yeah it's called Cod Blobs. You don't get

Starting point is 03:58:44 to take that slot. I mean you can take any's calling me. You're like, ah, it's calling me. Ah, it's the cod blops. You don't get to take that slot. I mean, you can take any slot you want. You get the cloud, but like you shouldn't. You should know better than to take the one more thing slot. Stop blopsing me, man. Summer Games Fest. How about that Requiem? Resident Evil 9.

Starting point is 03:59:02 Re-9 queim. So re-9 queim. I want to give a massive shout out to Capcom for punking our asses the hardest they've ever been punked by making an announcement of, hey guys, Resident Evil games are on sale. and then later on being like hey we really want to talk to you about the new Resident Evil game but you're just gonna have to wait and then showing a goddamn trailer for the game like 20 minutes later after you bought it. So like for a huge proportion of that trailer I was like what is this whereas usually I would I would peg the Resident Evil sorry the re engine models within like a second Yeah, there were there were no secret umbrella logos on any files

Starting point is 03:59:51 Nothing on the newspaper or the TV or the the the screen or whatever gave it away And I'm still I'm still like yeah, I would have preferred if they took my title idea, you know, yeah Resident Evil S-I-X, and then the I-X is highlighted, and Resident Evil 6, 9. Yeah. But, yeah, so, Nuked Raccoon City, and post-outbreak? Fuckin'-

Starting point is 04:00:19 Well, post everything. So, Resident Evil tends to take place in year of release, give or take one year. So, canonically, the Arclay Mountain incident happened in 1996, and the Raccoon City incident took place in September of 98. And this game is taking place in like, I think it's 2026. It's been like 30 fucking years. Yeah. And you see the crater, you know? You see the clear dust area and then the city around it.

Starting point is 04:00:54 Yeah. And so like, it's interesting because it seems like as someone who's like, you know, again, I haven't played all of them, this felt like it was less about sort of let's set up a setting or let's set up a threat that's going to be something new that's a different type of horror per se. And this is just seemed to be like all continuity, all narrative going back into this world. Am I reading that correctly? As a massive mark for this series' terrible story, there's a couple threads that are combining here that now make sense in hindsight. So the first thing is they say, oh, Grace Ashcroft. And as soon as they said Ashcroft, I'm like, oh, this is Resident Evil, because Alyssa

Starting point is 04:01:42 Ashcroft is the reporter, blonde reporter in the red suit that is one of the characters in Resident Evil Outbreak and File 2, who then escapes Raccoon City and writes a series of articles on disappearances in the Louisiana Bayou that you can read about in Resident Evil 7, which is weird because they say that Grace's mom died in the hotel. The hotel they describe is the third level of outbreak, the hotel that's on fire. So it's possible that her mom went back there for whatever reason. So far you're answering my question with deep lore. At the end of Resident Evil, I'm not sure if it's Outbreak or Fallout 2, but at the

Starting point is 04:02:32 end of one of them, you fight the T. Thanatos on a highway, and that's the highway they show at the beginning of the trailer, so that would be the end of outbreak. And at the end of one of them, they imply that there are still signs of life within Raccoon City. And that's why in later games and in subsequent novelizations, it's been established that the Marine Corps and the United States Special Forces have a cordon around the entirety of reckoned city because every now and then a zombie or like a dog wanders out of the wreckage and they shoot them okay because fuck that right so something still build a fucking wall rosé around that shit obviously and on top of that one of the design ideas that was supposed to be available in resident evil 1.5 but never happened was the end of that game was

Starting point is 04:03:28 supposed to be you taking the tram from the lab in Resident Evil 2 to escape and it would bring you into the mountains and drop you off at the lab from RE1 that had been exploded and burned down and then the final part of that game would be you exploring Resident Evil 1 post destruction. So that seems to be the core idea of what we're doing here is we're going to be exploring the areas from 1, 2, and 3 post destruction but stuff will still be alive. The monster at the end of the trailer is probably Lisa Trevor from Remake, who is still alive because she's unkillable. I have a feeling it's going to be an open

Starting point is 04:04:14 world game. I have a feeling it is going to be a freeform, like, explore the city at your leisure kind of game. Very, very interesting, very strange. Because yeah, I guess what I feel like, you know, I saw was like six was a big, everybody together, you know, like, sund off celebration every moment. Yeah, see that's the mistake they made. Right? Resident Evil isn't about the characters,

Starting point is 04:04:39 it's about the location, and it's about Recon City. And then seven was just like, yo, who knows, new, like, who knows what's going on, doesn't matter. New threat, it's a bunch of creepy old farmer scary house things going on. And then, oh, by the way, here's some folks, some shit's going down that connects back to the things you already knew.

Starting point is 04:05:00 And then Villagers was like, werewolves! Right, and then yeah, here's a here's a crazy new villain Here's a lady and she's big and woo and new setting new horror whatever and then oh, yeah I guess there's some stuff that connects back to the stuff, but but but but but we're showing you a new thing And then this time around it's just like no no no this is just like wrapping up lore and doing connected so one of the reasons that I think that RE9 is going to be very like greatest hits and include elements of Resident Evil 1.5 is because when you play through Village and you have been a massive freak and dug through every piece of information about all these games

Starting point is 04:05:40 as you can, you get a really strong suspicion that Resident Evil Village is based off of Resident Evil 4's Hookman version. There is a lot in Village that just screams these were the ideas behind Hookman and you lie look at RE9 and I go oh these could be the ideas behind 1.5 so do you think rebooted do you think that um this is a Metal Gear Solid 4 for the Resident Evil franchise by like if you're talking about revisiting all these locations after you know that kind of so many years I Think we're gonna see in an open world setting an excuse to to revisit like nearly every single major location That's ever been in all of the first three games

Starting point is 04:06:37 And it's yet everything you're talking about and everything we're seeing is just like all lore connecting right? so I'm kind of wondering like what is is Is it just like this is for those who are all the way in you know? Also, if you want to if you want to have a gigantic wide open, so this is my assumption If you want to have a gigantic wide open explorable space Raccoon City is like the fucking prime for that Hmm because people know Raccoon City everybody knows some part of Raccoon City just by osmosis are we gonna find

Starting point is 04:07:13 the reason to hop on a boat and head over to Africa or hit South America or or Europe rather no we're not gonna travel okay, I don't think so, Lord. No, we're not going to travel? Okay. No, I don't think so. That's a cool premise. That's a cool idea, certainly. But yeah, I guess that's the only thing is I just, I'm like, oh wow, yeah, this appears to just be like piecing together bits and pieces of lore.

Starting point is 04:07:40 And there was no like, hey, new theme, new genre of like, you know, a horror or new type of like, quirky villain threat, you know? Okay, so there is a quirky villain threat. Grace Ashford did not fall asleep and wake up upside down with bullshit biohazard shit plugged in or in a spooky mansion by accident. No it's probably... Alright, I'm gonna...

Starting point is 04:08:14 Okay, fuck it. The villain of this game is probably going to be Wesker. No not that one, the other one. Because we're dealing with a blonde woman that she's probably going to want to try and steal her body. Don't worry about it. And I bet you that at the halfway mark of this game, you will lose control of her and you will gain control of a recurring Resident Evil character who will come in to say it has to be somebody who went to Raccoon City so it's gonna be Claire or Leon but Claire already did that in Revelation so it'd probably be Leon and that would be like in Code Veronica X. Does the odd number even number like

Starting point is 04:08:59 Redfield thing matter anymore? No it doesn doesn't okay. No, what matters is Leon is more important. Oh, yeah. Yeah Leon is more popular Leon over Chris Leon is Leon Leon Leon is the popular one re2 re2 re4 mm-hmm like He's the man Damn that's uh, I can see it because those are the most popular games for sure. I think that is way less of a Hail Mary than like me saying that Alexia, Alexia, sorry,

Starting point is 04:09:38 Alex Wesker is going to be the villain. There's my shot. It is just kind of funny because like those reasons for Leon being like over is just because of like, well, the quality of the game season and then he's in the three best games in the fucking franchise. But the guy who's there from the beginning that has the seniority, it's like seniority is not enough to give you top billing. Chris has looked like a completely different person in every single game he has ever appeared in, which is fucking weird.

Starting point is 04:10:10 And also, Chris was a main character in Resident Evil 8. So it's unlikely for him to go back to back. He's also hanging out in Guile's stage, no matter what the game says. No matter what it says. That's him. That's him. It absolutely is extremely possible that Guile and Chris know each other and hung out. It's too deliberate. There's no way they didn't fucking make that to be Chris and then at the last second just fucking-

Starting point is 04:10:39 Well, you know Chris is a fucking Air Force pilot, right? Yeah, yeah. No. So there's a dude that looks exactly like him standing there and then they cowered it out and said When you go in world tour, no, you're not actually talking to Chris. It's like shut up Fuck off. You know what it is. You know what you wanted everyone to think Yeah, pardon me All right, then we saw my hey Capcom. Thank you for announcing this game like seven months before it comes out

Starting point is 04:11:05 Cool I like that it months before it comes out. Cool. I like that. It's nice when it comes out in February. It's nice when things get announced and then happen. Also, February. That fucking rogue ally footage showing you silkksong playing on it. What a bunch of motherfuckers. Oh, you know what you're doing. You know what you're doing.

Starting point is 04:11:35 What a fucking dirty move. They skonged everybody on the ally. Fucking rog skong. Get skonged up oh the other thing the other thing by the way is that um well checking to make sure yeah so Resident Evil games release in

Starting point is 04:12:01 q1 don't skong my rod bro um always resident evil games nearly exclusively one two three four five all came out in January February or March consistently huh okay you know there was a you know what was the first fucking resident evil game to not come out in q1 that's right fucking for evil six six shit one there was a while when like late February right wow this is really consistent late February was Street Fighter month for a second for them but then they stay I guess switch that outcome likes q1 they just they do one in general they seem to you know um and now monster hunter right yep all right let's let's keep it going lies of p

Starting point is 04:12:51 overture available today dying light the beast who gives a shit Wu Tang rise of the deceiver what's let's see what's going on there. I don't know. I'll keep my eye on that. Yeah. There could be some, there's room for more Wu-Tang. That's fine. For a second, I was like, did they get the album that Martin Shkreli had and then release it as a game or so? And it's like, no, that's not what's happening. But yeah, let's lean all the fucking way in with that. There was also a TV show that came out and I haven't seen much of it except that it hyper exaggerates their origins by like pretending to be

Starting point is 04:13:38 like almost like a documentary and then like the RZA is getting into like ninja fights on Staten Island and shit you're like I Believe so I believe there were some shinobi battles that were required on the way to Wu-Tang becoming a clan you know a little little little bit of embellishment Oni musha way Sword, Game of Thrones, War for Westeros, Arc Raider, Hitman, all that. Oh man, that Westeros thing, man.

Starting point is 04:14:12 Oh, it's so late. Game of Thrones. I don't know why Kit Harington just didn't have a little girl sneak up on that monster and stab it with a knife. It would have been so much easier. No, the stinger that is like, girl sneak up on that monster and stab it with a knife. It would have been so much easier. No the stinger that is like don't show me the Night King.

Starting point is 04:14:30 That's the worst memory I can associate with this show. That's the bad. There's things you could do to make us think of the good. That's not it. Scott Pilgrim EX. See that shit? Basically like- It's the goofiest fucking thing in the world. It's the first Scott Pilgrim game to ever exist basically like the goofiest fucking thing in the world It's the first Scott Pilgrim game to ever exist that has nothing to do with the evil exes

Starting point is 04:14:51 It's um so it's the only ex yes That's exactly that's really funny like it's like just in case you didn't see what they're doing there um So there's there's enough going on where people looking at the details, it seems to be like, oh, the do-over of that beat-em-up that got disappeared, but it's actually, it seems like a sequel to Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. So it seems to actually be like a canon further entry in the timeline. Yeah, fun stuff. And I like that name a lot, you know? That's a cool way to play it.

Starting point is 04:15:28 And obviously I like that Paul Robertson and Anna Manigucci are now quite essentially part of Scott Pilgrim alongside- I mean, at the end of the day, we're gonna get an Anna Manigucci album out of this. So all right. Every time. Good, great.

Starting point is 04:15:44 Every time. And then yeah mortal shell 2 right so you know that's a souls like that came and did its thing and you know they showed off this that and it looks yeah it looks pretty and looks like it's doing cool shit I'm expected to be a much better game than the first it has a mechanic that I still haven't seen used elsewhere that is really original and cool to it, which is the shield by getting, you know, rocked up, get rocked up anytime you want during any animation. You can turn it into a quick shield parry moment, you know, that's a fun ability that on its own can lead to some cool stuff and defensive options. But that fucking first game just got so boring towards the end. It got insanely fucking bland.

Starting point is 04:16:35 So you know, fix all that and let's get hard again. Let's harden up. Death Stranding 2. Hey look, it's Neil and Lucy. I think instead of doing that, they should have had Norman Reedus. I saw a recent interview with Norman Reedus in which he described working with Kojima and he's the greatest genius he's ever seen.

Starting point is 04:17:02 He's like, I don't understand anything. Yeah, he describes like, okay, so I'm acting and then Kojima tells me's the greatest genius he's ever seen. He's like, I don't understand anything. Yeah, he describes like, okay, so I'm acting and then Kojima tells me to pick up a baby doll and then cry and I go, what am I crying about? And then he just started talking for like 15 minutes and I had no idea what any of it meant. Absolute genius. And everyone's like, yeah, no, do it, go ahead, do it.

Starting point is 04:17:22 And then while I'm crying, he goes, look, a whale. There's a whale. To think that we get that amazing performance out of Die Hard Man without anyone understanding what the fuck they were being asked to do is extra incredible. There's something really special that no one acting in those games has an idea of what their characters are doing or thinking.

Starting point is 04:17:44 in those games has an idea of what their characters are doing or thinking. Like Mads Mads was at that show there showing up for the chifra and he still probably doesn't understand any part of what the role that he played in it. And he was incredible. There's a real genuine strangeness to the idea that you or I know more about Strangeness to the idea that you or I know more about what's going on Man yeah, so we'll see we'll see what this fucking solid snakeman Going into the offices and and it also that trailer very felt so God, of course it felt Kojimaima because what was it? I don't know. We don't have any context, but it was two characters having a dialogue.

Starting point is 04:18:31 And then they had a big emotional moment at the end. And that's all that matters. Oh, no. They had an emotional moment. And Kojima is like, hmm. Yes. Yeah. Right. He did this, right? Right at the end. He got very excited because look at the emotions, you know? Ah, shit. It's, it's, it's, um. You know what?

Starting point is 04:18:56 I won't put that on him. I was about to, I was about to cage him up a little bit, but I won't. No, I don't do that. I won't do that. I won't do that. Hey, yo, check out Stranger Than Heaven is the name of the RGG 1940s edition, Project Century.

Starting point is 04:19:19 Yeah, so here's the thing. I went back and double checked this because I felt like an insane person. Stranger Than Heaven is also the name of the game called Project Century that takes place in 1915. Oh, okay. What? So we're... There's gonna be two time periods that just both happen to take place, dead ass in the dead center of both World Wars.

Starting point is 04:19:44 Huh. Okay, because the setting from the first look looked really old. So 1950 makes more sense. Yeah, it looked like the Taisho era. Because it is. Right. But hitting the 40s up is like significantly different. And that makes a bit more sense for a little bit like people thriving and all the signs and you know. So what's the third time period going to be in Project Century?

Starting point is 04:20:08 I guess it would be the turn of the century. Nah, 1543. They already did Yakuza in the 80s. So what the 70s or the 90s? Could be. No, actually it should be the 60s. So the question that I have,'s not it's not even that right but like they they you know Jumping into the all the funky jazz music and stuff is like a fun bit and like the title reveal is might as well have just

Starting point is 04:20:33 been Tank playing in the background. Yo, Kano style Is the energy of walking around Japan in the 40s gonna be kind of? Energy of walking around Japan in the 40s gonna be kind of crazy as a bunch of soldiers are like Yo, do it for the Emperor super hard. Oh, I bet I'll be awesome as shit, dude while you're running around Detective smoking man on the Americans so bad That's gonna be crazy energy and is real real and is real real

Starting point is 04:21:10 RGG studio real guy gotoku going to then have goofy ass side missions Hanging out with the Imperial Army With their so I somebody in chat just linked and I am looking at us still screenshot from the trailer There will be five time periods. Oh Wow, okay, we got 1915 which we've seen 1943 which we've seen still screenshot from the trailer. There will be five time periods. Oh wow. Okay. We got 1915, which we've seen, 1943, which we've seen, 1929, which we haven't seen, and two others after 1943. I mean, dude, like, just, like, what type of wild people and characters are you gonna meet in the middle of the fucking war and? You're gonna have to hear that guitar, but do you do?

Starting point is 04:21:53 Side quest music as you get up to shenanigans with fucking Yeah, crazy scary people There's gonna be a side quest in which you're talking to like a discharged soldier Who is sad because he didn't kill himself because he didn't do enough crimes on the Koreans and his and his commanding officer Got rid of him. I mean it's gonna be theme of sad I mean, I you know, we're not in that like World War We're not in that Godzilla minus one territory where it's like a little bit after and you get that amazing main character from that that you get.

Starting point is 04:22:30 You're looking at the gung-ho maximum fucking jingoism level of it. I think there's going to be a really genuinely, think they're they're gonna touch on a lot of this because They're gonna have a time period in this game which you play as an ostensibly Japanese man with bright blue eyes in 1943 right Americans like secret America is a focus of the trailer Yeah, they don't know why they have blue eyes, which is kind of a fucking big deal in this time and place I will say this man like um Only a Japanese studio could do this time period You you couldn't have anywhere else or anyone else take this on. I don't want to fucking touch it

Starting point is 04:23:20 Know what I mean like yeah Yeah, there's gonna be a headline that we see in six to 18 months We're just gonna see well. Just pull it off the docket, and we're gonna put it here um Stranger than heaven has been banned from sale in Korea Man yeah, no um from sale in Korea. Oh man. Yeah. No. Um there is a there is a very limited range of uh uh studios that that would be able

Starting point is 04:23:55 to tackle this type of setting. Um uh you know, you wouldn't hand sinners to Quantic Dream. Why would you hand this to anyone else, or anywhere else for that matter? Hey guys, Ubisoft's new Assassin's Creed game's gonna come out. It's gonna be built by the French team, and it's gonna take place in 1940s Dresden Germany yeah oh yeah let's do it yeah yeah you're gonna be working for the Templars on this one mmm crazy you know the history's books were a little bit biased.

Starting point is 04:24:49 Oh, we got to finish this postcast up. Yeah, we do. All right. I don't know if you have anything to say about Wild Gate or Toa and the Guardians of the Sacred Trees are Sonic Racing with Joker and Ichiban in it. Yeah. And Minecraft. Sonic Racing with Joker and Ichiban in it. Yeah. And Minecraft Steve. That's good. Yeah.

Starting point is 04:25:08 LEGO, mysterious, Chronicle, yeah, we're good, we're good. Yeah. We did it. We did it. Miku is also there too. Yeah, Miku's there, that's good. All right. You can send your letters in.

Starting point is 04:25:23 Yeah, I gotta get the fuck out of here. I gotta be blonde. All right. gotta get the fuck out of here. I gotta be blonde. Alright, it's very late. Fuck it. Goodbye everybody. Fuck your letters. Bye.

Starting point is 04:25:32 There you go.

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