Castle Super Beast - CSB332: Your Gooner Mind Palace Has No 5 Star Replays

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Thank you. Yo, yo, yo. Oh, I still can't see you. I thought you were going to, I thought when we came in, you were going to switch to it. But I can't see you at all. I just see the OBS symbol. Oh, well, there you go. Oh, now I can see you.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Hey, buddy. It's just weird to talk to a disembodied voice that I'm so used to. There you go. How you doing? All right. Not too bad. Not too bad. how's it going uh my my stupid dumb ass shoulder uh is fine is is is fine now okay cool
Starting point is 00:01:08 i took i took my tile and all and i took my i took my advils quick recovery i'm i'm all better now nice okay um last week um last week i mentioned that i had hurt my shoulder and you're like how am i how are you sorry you said, how are you the guy coming in here, like bruises and injuries? No, I know, because you had recently been in a fight. Yeah, I have been in a fight, yes. And I, and then I went and I took a look at that fight. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, how did you make it out of that without grievous injury? Yeah, no, that was... Oh, that was crazy. Yeah, that was a real fight. So, over on versus wolves
Starting point is 00:01:58 I fought John and you know that was boxing there's a little bit of Brazilian jiu-jitsu in there and then just fucking fucking hangman's field final
Starting point is 00:02:09 field punch violent go so I have a couple of questions yeah because that was a long episode and I'm like no no no I just want to skim this to get to the fighty bits yeah yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:02:23 that first round why were you guys just punching each other in the dick for 10 minutes? What the fuck is that? What is why? In the gym? Because I thought it was going to be like,
Starting point is 00:02:39 well, we're internet people, so not the face. In the gym? But then later the face. So that wasn't the reason. Yeah. Okay, so in the gym. Yeah, in the gym. In the gym.
Starting point is 00:02:49 You were just like all tummy. Right. So that is called body sparring. And what body sparring. is basically when people are amateur and generally beginning at sparring and you haven't done it much you do body sparring as a way of
Starting point is 00:03:03 like yeah you avoid going wild swinging for the head a lot of people that are kind of nuts will just go too hard and potentially do serious injury to people or if you show up you don't have mouth guards or protection or whatever and body sparring is just to kind of get the fundamentals
Starting point is 00:03:20 of moving around and you know you can take more to the body overall than you can like to the head. I can take way more to the body. Yeah. Yeah. Then, like, way more. I got it, like, when I was younger, maybe not. But now I got all this nice, this nice, you know, help. Right. And here's the thing is, like, if you're going in there with people that are just, you don't know who you're dealing with if you're all beginners. And if someone just is like, ah, and just goes full swing hard at your head
Starting point is 00:03:45 and you're both beginners, someone can get seriously hurt really badly. So I hold up my hand for a follow-up question. Yes. But isn't that cool as fuck? Yes, it is cool. If you agree, if you agree. Cool as shit to do. If you agree to take on this potential risk, then yeah, it's rad as hell. And you might get fucking, get your bell rung, you know. However, the legal responsibilities of a trained coach, who coach Lou, we were over at UD Performance,
Starting point is 00:04:21 he is going to be like, I cannot, he cannot legally allow us to get in the ring without him sitting there. There are responsibilities that he's like, you know, like going to take for people that are beginners. And, you know, if you want to go in with like some headgear afterwards, which, you know, there was one round of that with John versus command grab James, you can take that, you can do that or so. But for the most part, beginners are supposed to body spar.
Starting point is 00:04:45 That's what that was. Okay, but I thought you were like not a beginner. Well, no. When it comes to sparring, I'm absolutely a beginner. That's the thing. Okay. right so confusing but um basically the yeah go ahead go ahead i have a question i've never asked you in my entire life yep you're a big tall guy and i have never seen you like ag grow up in anger in
Starting point is 00:05:15 any context ever okay like just get unreasonable and like i'm gonna be big and scary when you were like growing up how many like physical scraps did you get into on average a year? I got into many fights with I mean well there's brothers and cousins
Starting point is 00:05:36 which is just like whatever but real real fights at school type things aggressive violent like attack fist of cuffs yeah got into fights at school for sure I'd say towards the like middle to end of high school, there were like a pronounced four that, that, like, that stand out.
Starting point is 00:06:01 But it wasn't, it was definitely, you know, there's a lot, a lot of random dumb kid shit overall. And then, like, yeah, I'd say between, like, grades 9 and 11, there were like four big ones I can think of, you know? Because, like, one of the things that I was thinking of when I was, like, watching this back and forth is, like, there's a certain aura that people give off that you don't give off, and I don't think I give off, but I have known people who do, when you talk to them and you, you, like, argue with them and you back and forth, and you're like, you've never
Starting point is 00:06:32 been fucking punched in the face. Like, you know that, you know that feeling? Oh, yeah. You've never had an argument escalate to the point where you got fucking rocked out of nowhere, and I feel like that's affecting your, like, view of the world. Yes, the way you treat people is as someone who has not felt a fucking punch to the face. Absolutely. And, like, also the other thing is that, like, people who have never been, like, fucking rocked, like, they, I feel like they think they're going to die.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Mm-hmm. If someone hits them. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But you're not. You're just going to be, like, you're going to make that, ooh, you know, that noise. Yeah. And, I mean, it depends on how hard you get hit and what it is, right?
Starting point is 00:07:13 There's, also, there's a difference between, you know, getting rocked with a raw fist versus, like, a glove, you know? and I'll take the glove well so here's the interesting thing about gloves right um there's a part in that video where like the coach is explaining he's talking to us and giving us just like overall boxing information one of those things is like the difference between m-ma bare-knuckle boxing and then like large like 16 ounce gloves or so is you would think that like the raw fist would be worse in a lot of ways just because of the idea of it there's no protection. But the fact that there's no protection means the person swinging at you cannot swing as hard. And the damage they take themselves also means that there's a, there's a,
Starting point is 00:08:00 there's a difference in how the pain hits and how the, the distribution of impact is. So for a lot, for all these different reasons, what you end up with is a lot more cuts and like bruises from a raw, like a smaller glove or like a bra knuckle. But a large padded glove is, Just diluting all of that into a spread point, but the impact is much harder because you can swing harder, right? Mm-hmm. So you can, there's more concussive force. Breaking your hand is not fun. Yeah, there's more concussive force coming at you with a large 16-ounce glove compared to bear, knuckle, right?
Starting point is 00:08:38 And so that's kind of the difference. If someone is on the street, just swinging at you, you know, unless they land a perfect good night, like, swing. you're not usually going to see someone go to sleep or the temple or something exactly exactly but a glove our large glove has a higher chance of doing that for sure um and yeah so that what you kind of saw was just some body sparring at first and you know that's that's what that was and then afterwards looking back at that and then you know some of the the pre-release kind of like hype and stuff it was like we can do better we can do it we can go further than that and then that was a decision to like take it to the field and go for real so you also had uh the middle
Starting point is 00:09:14 part, which was y'all were doing BJJ. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not super familiar, but apparently John is more into that shit. Yes. He's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy. And that is definitely apparent
Starting point is 00:09:30 watching that video. Yeah. Yeah. So I have a question for you on a strategy perspective. I want to know what you were thinking when you were trying to out footsie Daigo. So there were, I watched that because like, when I I was, you know, I'm decades
Starting point is 00:09:46 out of date. The last thing I ever did was I was like 15, 16. Yeah. But like, I noticed that you kept trying to grab his leg. Yeah, probably for a sweep or like a, you know, an ankle lock or something like that, right? Um, but I noticed that
Starting point is 00:10:02 when you would go in, you would like completely open up your body and offer your head yeah to his arms. Yeah. And get caught like that in a, in a just a standard choke. Yeah. And then you would be, like, you'd be a really big man.
Starting point is 00:10:21 And, like, you would take, like, a really long time to tap. And it doesn't look like that long on the video. But as somebody who's been in that choke, that is, you take a, you took a weirdly long time to tap. And I'm wondering if you had, like, a strategy. That you were going to, like, offer yourself up and then get in there and then, like, tickle his balls a little bit. And he would giggle. and then that would give you the opportunity to get in. To do something.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Did that just not work out? So what the Black Belt, the Command Grab James, taught, was essentially, I learned like two. A little tickle. Just, oh, no? I learned two moves, and the second of which I forgot, which was a grounded thing where you kind of, it was a whole flip thing. And I was like, yeah, I don't remember. So the only thing I really knew was just a double-neck leg takedown, which, is a type of thing you could do, and when you're rolling with somebody, is it rolling
Starting point is 00:11:19 Brazilian jiu-jitsu is what you're doing, you're supposed, there's a whole lot of things you're thinking about, and if you can go like, ah, I caught you off guard, tackle you to the ground, that's a good way to like get the advantage. But if you're... Unless somebody knows that you can just... Unless somebody's been doing it for a lifetime and, yeah, they've got their belts and they're like, oh, well, the counter to this is to then do that, you know? And it was funny talking about it after the fact Because like Shane Foxcade Who's also a big boy
Starting point is 00:11:47 Had it also He's a big boy Yeah he also had a role And like his role lasted way longer than anyone else's Like he was doing it for like seven minutes While we all went for like three or three and a half And the difference was He kind of like just stayed sturdy
Starting point is 00:12:02 And didn't offer anything Any limbs or any part He didn't do much He kind of just made it like You're gonna have to roll me around and open me up because I'm being defensive, you know? And the thing is, is that ultimately, like, that is, you can do that. It'll take longer, but the person who knows more will ultimately win.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Because Brazilian jiu-jitsu is one of those things where it doesn't matter if you're bigger or smaller. Little girls can make big men tap, right? But there's an important part to, there's an important second part to finish here, which is when you don't know what you're doing at all, which is me with this thing. there's a trying stuff out and finding out why it doesn't work teaches you more. So if I'm going to stick my arm out to grab you behind the head or something and you're going to go, no, you don't, I'm going to learn from that attempt. But I'm the kind of person who's like, well, let me go for it to learn what that is.
Starting point is 00:12:56 So this is a question specific to the area that you guys were doing this in. um what were the rules on like um knuckling the face yeah or finger bending okay so this it was not an mMA fight that we were having it was not a full on mixed martial it was just brazilian jujitsu which focuses on grappling holds and things like that i'm talking about grappling i'm describing knuckling the face not punching okay like just scraping your knuckles against somebody behind their ears up in their neck.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Yeah, I don't think that's okay according to the rules, generally. The other, however, is okay. I think you can absolutely grab someone's arm and or wrist and twist it. And at one point, when he's, when John, who's a blue belt,
Starting point is 00:13:55 is fighting Karang Gavdames, who's a black. And later, and he kind of described, he's like, between, he said, John said, he said, I am closer with no experience to him at blue than he is to black, right? It's exponential. And at one point, James grabs him by the wrist and just does this and then you just see him fall over and go, oh, and he goes, I'm taking your belt away. And he's like, don't put that in the video, right? Because it's essentially something that is so beginner
Starting point is 00:14:24 and so easy. But when you're afraid of a billion other high level things, you forget about this one basic thing so you but you you're allowed to do that but you shouldn't fall for that if you know what the fuck you're doing and you've been doing this for a while um to go back a second though with boxing uh essentially um yeah so the the gym that i was at and then like this is this is like a newer location that the coach kind of moved to but the gym i was at is one that has like a large class and uh when when i was going essentially the the the place is set up so that they're training, like, people that go to, like, golden gloves, which is, like, a, you know, exactly. It's like, like, real champs are going and going as far as possible.
Starting point is 00:15:06 Olympic boxers are coming out of there, too, as well, and stuff, right? So, a lot of smaller gyms are kind of like, you get in there, you punch around with some people, you do some mitts and some drills, and then you're like, okay, get in the ring and spar. Whereas here, it was kind of like, yo, we're not going to waste our time with people. Like, if you're not serious about this in a way, sparring is meant for people who are trying to, get to that next level that's kind of the we we got people working here all right that's that's the kind of impression i got especially with a large class and like not wanting to waste time with with people that are kind of just coming in and especially if you're if you're just coming in for
Starting point is 00:15:40 like you know cardio or something like that then it's like yeah we want people that are they're looking for people that are going to they're trying to compete or so and so with that it was always something that was like sparring was i i'd love to get to that point but i'm not i'm not there i'm the person that's there doing the drills doing the mitts kind of working the bags essentially hitting the lab you know and there would be like you do like little drills outside or you and the other person would like you do like a light
Starting point is 00:16:06 sort of spa outside or so but as far as getting in the ring experience and going for it I had not done that the only time I had done it in the past was when I went to ComboCon and HDM executioner had it's a gym and he's like yo get in the ring let's do it you know but overall that was my that's the lopsided thing is like while I've been at
Starting point is 00:16:25 boxing classes and messing around and and having fun with that and doing drills for years. Full-on sparring experience was not something I had. So you said the word lopsided, which actually brings me to my next question, which is like, it's been all, it's the question I've been thinking of over and over, and I wasn't going to ask it until the fight was over.
Starting point is 00:16:50 What is the weight differential between you two guys? I don't know how much he weighs, but are you, Are you for real with that? I don't know how much he weighs. But it's probably a decent one. Yeah, it's probably big. You know, I would imagine I have anywhere between 40 pounds or so on him and, you know. I'm under the assumption.
Starting point is 00:17:18 I know you're taller. I know you're significantly taller. And I was under the assumption that you weighed proportionally more. because you're much taller, right? Mm-hmm. Which means I have to give all the kudos in the world to John because you as the bigger, stronger opponent risk, like, all pride and can, like, win none back because if you did win,
Starting point is 00:17:46 it would be, like, beating up children because of a small person. Well, that's not how size works. Not as much as if you beat up me, because how much pride could you feel in that? But that's not how to... size works and that's not in this case as well with like sparring when you're when you're going into like a
Starting point is 00:18:04 match where you're effectively like we're not go there's no knockouts here per se it's like we're moving we're throwing punches we're landing hits but like at no point am I attempting to like rob his conscience
Starting point is 00:18:20 so there is a factor that's more about like how many hits your landing and how cleanly you're landing them than it is about how hard you're landing that hit and whether or not the person is completely shut out as a result of it right um that goes into how we handle that i don't understand what you're saying what i'm saying is is that in that last fight we weren't swinging at a hundred percent because that's stupid it's stupid it's stupid it's a fight woolly the man fall down.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Okay. Don't you got any showmanship? The showmanship was certainly getting out there and going for it as best as we could and also going like, all right, like the reason why coach wants people body sparring
Starting point is 00:19:15 in the ring, the reason why people are generally doing this with head gear and such, is because again, when you don't know what you're doing and you're swinging your fist out there like an idiot at full. fucking uh uh you know at and going zero to a hundred those are the people that like get really hurt are really dumb or really ignorant and are not taking it responsibly right like there's something
Starting point is 00:19:39 like when it comes to boxing and trying to do it with you know like all bits aside like you're a you're a fucking dumb ass if you go out there and do that like that's that's bullshit and furthermore that would if i if i were to go out there and do that and actually like just be that the person that people in the gyms are making fun of that are making YouTube video compilations of acting like an asshole like I would be so it would be so disrespectful to like that coach and that gym and everybody involved in you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:20:07 It would be crazy. It would no one can tell you some stuff. Yeah, okay, okay. All right, all right, all right, sure. It would be, it would be crazy like actually to go out there and be that asshole and like, I don't know if I'd get uninvited. How are you an asshole if it's a if it's a mutually agreed bout in a field. Right. Right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Like, no, no, hold on. If you showed up and John's like, let's spar, and you're like, okay, and you fucking try and knock its head off, that's different. That's, that's ridiculous. That's totally insane. But like, I have to tell you, coming from a place that, like, when I was in high
Starting point is 00:20:42 school and I, my fucking martial arts class got invaded by adults in their 40s, and my sense I was like, yeah, just be better and fight them. And, like, adult man was, like, throwing 120 pound 5 foot guy me over the fucking wall
Starting point is 00:20:58 with no gloves and like just getting wrong I'm like yeah okay you get your fucking you just handle it okay well um yeah we decided to
Starting point is 00:21:14 I treat it like boxing and you know get in there and spar head and body and um not try to do permanent damage, ultimately. There was blood drawn, you know. Did you, did you consider blading at any
Starting point is 00:21:30 point? If we're, if we're gonna, if we're gonna, if we're gonna, like, tone it down for the show, could you, could you have considered like, I mean, I don't know. Like, walking out on fake crutches. I don't know if, like, I don't know if you want real answers or bit, but
Starting point is 00:21:46 like, I, there's no bit here. Okay. Well, in any case, um yeah ultimately well you know once you're once you're sparring and you're you're you know essentially like moving and hitting and landing and you know points are are a factor or so there's also no ring certainly so you're kind of just like in this wild open space oh he's fast no ring mm-hmm like like once i saw that you guys were in open field i'm like well you're the larger opponent with longer arms a ring would do you a lot of good actually in that
Starting point is 00:22:22 certainly um yeah but in any case you know the there was already a level of like um there was already a level of like okay if we're gonna go back for that final round and uh the the most responsible way to do it would be to like you know get back into the the ring and get the headgear and go for it that way that was not possible within the recording schedule time we had so we made do with the field and i thought that that That was cool in the end. Is that the field near Verdun? It's out there, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Okay, I actually grew up next to that field. That's super weird. Yeah, there's a nice view of the city from out there. Because I saw you guys out there. I used to go to the park near there when I was a little baby. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But, yeah, that's, that's, in the end, and in the end, like I said, you know, there was, there was some blood drawn, but that was not the intent, certainly. But ultimately, we did want to, like, go for it.
Starting point is 00:23:21 And yeah, and there's a feeling to have certainly as well where like, even if you're not going at a hundred percent of a swing, there are moments where you are moving in the wrong direction and you are moving into something, right? Yes, exactly. So the difference between hitting a parked car versus hitting a car in oncoming traffic, the oncoming traffic version of that happens while you're sparring anyway, right? Which is why you still need to put a mouthpiece in, which is why you still need to be careful and why you still need to be aware that. that, like, you can actually get knocked out, you know, if you're moving into something coming at you the opposite way. but um but yeah overall there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a there's also like um the main thing that like you get better at too is like that kind of footsy skill of like reacting
Starting point is 00:24:07 to what's coming at you and like moving quickly and getting your counterpunch in or like you know feeling out what they're doing and looking at their shoulder and stuff there's a lot of there's a lot of that you're kind of like that's getting in there that's it's not just a big dumb fucking uh Walmart fight but like there's parts of that where um you can focus on and the technical and improve by kind of sparring like this, I guess, you know?
Starting point is 00:24:36 I do have a non-blood sport-related follow-up question, which is since you guys did like a boxing style first round and an MMA, sorry, a BJJ style second round, did you ever consider doing a
Starting point is 00:24:52 like open gloves MMA thing for the third round? For it's a mixture of both styles. That's what I thought that third round was going to be. There was a thought for a second about that. But the reality of the situation is, whereas John and I both have some boxing experience, I have zero Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu experience,
Starting point is 00:25:15 like literally none. It was just a funzies thing added on to it, right? Because Command Grab James, who is the BJJ guy, was here and was like, yo, come to my gym, let's have some fun. And it was like, okay, yeah, let's do a thing out of that. But ultimately, the challenge I gave John months ago was to go check out a boxing class.
Starting point is 00:25:36 And he had... Yeah, and that's how this just escalated infinitely. Well, he took to it and continued going like multiple times a week, you know, with goals in mind. And, but like me, I'm like, I'm like, I didn't have that necessarily. interest to go become a Brazilian jiu-jitsu like roller, you know, or a player. Um, so that wouldn't have that, that was, yeah, the, the BJJ side of things is honestly just me flailing like a fish
Starting point is 00:26:04 going like, all right, how fast can you tap me out if I'm doing some, some random shit? I think, Wully, that your sense of fair play is a bit overactive and that the, the way you structured these fights put you at an inherent disadvantage. Uh, yeah, I mean, I think I, I get that. but part of the fun was saying, yeah, fuck it, let's go. You know, I think from the jump, the moment it was like, yo, I've been sparring and practicing and going hard, let's do this. And I was like, oh, I haven't been doing anything. And I have no sparring experience, but boxing is cool.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Fuck it. Let's go for it. You know, and I got in there and I was like, yeah, let me just see what this is like, you know, but I'm absolutely that was what it was. And I had no illusions about getting in there and thinking like, oh, yeah, my reach and all that are going to make up for it. I'm like, no, I've got no cardio. I've got no gas.
Starting point is 00:26:57 I'm not an athlete. Are you frozen? Uh-oh. Oh, I am. Oh, I might be. Hold on a second. Be r. Hello?
Starting point is 00:27:15 Hey, man. Can you hear me? Oh, there you are. You're back. Okay. Weird. Yeah, I could hear you. No problem.
Starting point is 00:27:23 And I, am I still for... No, no, you're back, you're back. There we are. Okay. Yes. So, no, no, make no mistake. Like, the moment that that was thrown down in it, and, you know, John was like, yo, I've been boxing and sparring a whole bunch and I'm getting into it. And also, he's a, he's a taekondo black belt as well and has fought, like, in competition
Starting point is 00:27:44 for that before he became a Brazilian jiu-jitsu blue belt and has, like, you know, a lifetime of, like, fighting experience. And it was like, I was kind of like, oh, yeah, no, I have none of that. I have terrible cardio. I'm out of shape and don't know what I'm doing. But this is, I like, I think this is cool. So let me just throw me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:02 So let me just throw myself into this and see what happens. But I know for sure that I'm not going in like, yeah, I know that for sure I'm not going in necessarily at anything besides a size advantage. But perhaps you're overestimating what size advantage means in the grand scheme of life in the world. No, I'm not. Trust me, I'm not. Okay, well. Woolly, look, look at the camera.
Starting point is 00:28:26 I have a tiny man on it. Trust me. But the part that it seemed, because everyone I've ever scrapped with in my entire life was like a foot taller than me. But if there are also people that are scrappers and or if there is a, if there's a fight where you're trying to end the person versus something where it's more of a sport and or something like Jiu-Jitsu where small people regularly tap out larger people because the nature of it is limbs and. and weight transfer and a whole bunch of other technical shit going on. It's not just this, you know, David and Goliath situation, you know, every time. And there's more to it just being like, you're bigger, you're heavier, therefore you should always win, you know? No, no.
Starting point is 00:29:08 What I'm saying is you're bigger and heavier, therefore you should have organized these bouts. To be in my favor. No, no, not in your favor, but it'd be like it would allow your natural advantage to work. because in an open field, John can and did consistently back away from your longer reach, which he wouldn't have been able to do if he was in a ring, because then you could have crowded him and then get real close and give him a hug. Yeah. And in the body sparring match, actually, I did walk him down to the corner a couple times and, like,
Starting point is 00:29:40 I kind of tried to lock him in there. And I was like, ooh, I can use that to my advantage while trying to get, like, take one and give one for sure. But no, the thought about, like, how to organize it and set that up. and stuff wasn't really there wasn't much put into that either i just kind of knew i'm like yeah i i have this much gas in my tank uh it's significantly lower you know and i have um this much experience as well and i'm just going to go in there and have fun you know i'm going to go have fun that's kind of what it was and i wasn't really putting all that there for you know uh uh forward because i kind of just wanted to enjoy the exchange you know um
Starting point is 00:30:20 which I felt like I did. That being said, you know, this is the literal definition of Got Some Good Hits in, though, right? Yeah, absolutely. You know, got some good hits in there, took some as well. And I kind of was interesting watching back on it and kind of seeing like, oh, I have some tendencies. You know, I have some things where I'm like, oh, one thing I kept, like, a couple tendencies were like, you know, sidestepping and like going for a hook, you know. And then a couple times I'd go for a sidestep to set something up. and it worked about half the time or so.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Dropping my arms. I gave you a massive prop. You did not do a weird little spin. I did not do a weird little spin. You did not do a weird little spin. And I mean, again, and this is like, you know, meanwhile, Command Grab James was doing literal fucking Mashiba, like flickers, you know, crazy shit.
Starting point is 00:31:10 But no, I did. I did not slip at any point with that either because I'm also like just being like, don't embarrass the fuck yourself or the gym or anything. of those places, just keep it basic. Don't try to do anything crazy and stupid and fucking fall out and have your balls out, you know? So, like, this,
Starting point is 00:31:29 there was like a, there was like multiple months of like abject confusion from me that I like, I guess this is just the way my brain works. I could, like, I was, I was talking a page about this. I don't know what Willie's doing. He's scheduling a fight right before
Starting point is 00:31:44 the birth of his child. What if he like breaks his arm? or gets like a serious concussion like wouldn't that be like really like a bad time for that it would and that would be why sparring was generally the approach we took as opposed to booking a real fight wasn't for the birth of your child it wouldn't have been sparring it would have been like bare knuckle dukes in in a pit i mean realistically regardless of kid i don't know that as somebody who talks for a living i had ever want to fully go down the road of taking a lot of head blows for long term?
Starting point is 00:32:26 Well, ask the football players and various punchy retired boxers how they feel. Yeah, so there we go, right? Like, again, bitter reality, right? If I love, I love boxing and I think it's really cool, but I also don't know that it would be great for me long term to walk into a situation where I'm getting hit up in the head constantly. And I don't think that, uh, uh, you know, you would necessarily see the effects right away. But over time, you, you would, you know, that's real, man. Um, you know, and, uh, not to mention, of course, that like, the time it takes to dedicate to get that good and to take it to
Starting point is 00:33:06 that level is also like, okay, well, goodbye YouTube. Oh, but it's way more fun if you guys are just total amateurs and you just do new training whatsoever. Yeah, yeah. Well, that, you know, I mean, there's, there's, there's, there's drills, you know, there's, there's, there's, There's, there's mitt work, there's bags, there's shadowboxing. But at the end of the day, like, you know, real, real sparring against somebody is like, it's completely different from all the above. Well, Lee, you're a long time friend of mine, and I love you. And I want to tell you that I support you in any fight that you take. But I also want to tell you that I respect you enough to let you die in the ring.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Good. Good. Okay. Don't, no towels thrown. No. No, you got in there and you knew what you were doing. Yes. And I would never steal that from you. 100%. I'm glad to hear it. Thank you. Thank you. I would also like to say, I don't plan on fighting anybody in the future, but if I do fight someone and lose, I will die in the ring.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Okay. Okay. I will take that. I will take that into account. and if I need to the towel will actually be a pillow to just make sure that your final resting places here.
Starting point is 00:34:22 If we haven't gone 12 rounds minimum and I'm on the floor just piss on me and throw me in a ditch it's what I would have wanted. Yep, perfect, perfect. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:34:36 And I feel like you're the only person I know in my life that knows I'm telling you the truth just just yeah you're the only person i've known for long enough and i heard me say the dumbest things of the world that if i tell you if i get into a fight of some kind of spectacle pull all the rules off and let them break my legs yep i will i will encourage the ragdalling
Starting point is 00:35:02 of your of your corpse afterwards thank you there we go yep no 100% um it'd be so cool though It would be. It would be so cool. Because, like, I'll be in the hospital, and I'll be like, you should see the other guy, and the therapy dog will be on my lap. Man, those views would go crazy. This therapy dog. Yeah, yeah. No, there is a, there is a, obviously it goes without saying, but there's a whole lot you learn about yourself in the process of getting physical and pushing. it um and uh it's it's like when i'm seeing i i've been bringing him up but command grab
Starting point is 00:35:53 james and like the seeing like how he moved and like how he did that that head uh that's a good neck name yeah yeah pretty solid um how he how he did that that headgear match and everything i kind of was like oh if we just stopped and put out like if we just had this body sparring footage after building up all of this like could you need it more you needed more could you imagine the wet fart of just like all right here you go I think going to the the grappling
Starting point is 00:36:26 you know is a really good follow up to that because you know punching and kicking and you know pads and whatnot I mean your neck getting choked out or your elbow being bent that sucks oh yeah yeah yeah and it sucks ass and every time I got Tass
Starting point is 00:36:42 or multiple of us got tapped with a kimora it's called a move where you're just swinging the arm back and um the and he would see that and go ah i can't look i can't look and he would get really really squeamish and we're like oh did you like feel that one time really badly and he went no i did it to someone and they refused to tap and the and the difference between like tapping and bringing and breaking is an inch. That is respect. And he was so squeamish after doing that once to somebody who didn't tap that he's like, I hate this move. I can't look. I can't deal. You know?
Starting point is 00:37:28 Because like once you feel doing that to somebody, yeah. Yeah. Then you get to walk around the rest of the day with a hard on. Or you never unfeel it or the memory never goes away. It's go time. I just damaged a person. All right. You know, like, he was getting so, like, squeamish about it because he's like, I've done that to people and it's fucking broken and he hates it because that's not what you want to do.
Starting point is 00:37:54 And you'll notice, there's a thing here, you'll notice, like, people who are really, really good at fighting and confident in that are the nicest, kindest souls. Oh, yeah, they're very sweet. With nothing to prove. they have they walk around with like feather weight on their chests because they're just like yeah we're just like we're chill everything's chill if anything's as steps out of control it's not because i'm in control everything's fine you know other people getting heated and shoving and button and getting barking loud and whatever because they have no control over their situation or what's happening and they don't know what's going to happen so that fear is coming out as anger so that they
Starting point is 00:38:38 don't lose any, any fucking, uh, uh, you know, ball points. But when you are absolutely confident, you can just smile and chill and have no malice whatsoever in all of these situations. And that's, that's, that's how he is, you know? So yeah, I can, he's the kind of person who's like, with a smile on his face, rolling people around, flipping him over and being like, woo, hey, nice hands. Let's go. And like, he sounds like he's having fun while absolutely massacring and mawling people. You know, playing put put putt with a four-year-old. old you're like oh good shot buddy that's it that's it but you're hurting but you're hurting each other you know yeah um yeah i mean you you can't see it up close but like his ears are the flattest
Starting point is 00:39:20 cauliflowers you've ever seen i love it like it's that sign of like oh that the ears tell you the ears tell you everything you need to know this is this is like slightly tangential do you know that in the fit the ticot fitness community there is a trend that the gen zs are doing where they have their buddies drop weights on their ears. Boy, so that's not new. To fake having calling flower ears. So that's not new. That's been pre-Tic-Tac.
Starting point is 00:39:49 That's a- it's new to me. That is a, yes, that is a, a, a MMA gym, bro move for, or just, that's not even that. You can all, just rolling it on the, on the mat, right? Doing a lot, a lot of ear rolling on the mat to like falsely get that ear. It's, I mean, listen, have you ever seen Synthol? Do you know what Synthol is? If you look up Synthol, people are willing to do that to their bodies, so the surprise, there's no surprise behind people forcing cauliflower ear in mind. Because if you just, there's motherfuckers that want big muscles so badly that they'll inject themselves with liquid shit to make their arm look like a balloon.
Starting point is 00:40:34 And it's horrendous. You know what? Good for them. Fuck it. It's illness. To have a B deflate them. It's fucking illness, you know? You're like, people are willing to do that.
Starting point is 00:40:45 So of course they're will. Don't yuck their yum, woolly. Oh, yeah. Man. They want to be mentally ill and deform their muscles. Oh, fuck. And then it melts or pops, and then all the worst things happen. And then it's cool as shit.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Oh, man. Yeah. So, anyway, um, I got into a, fight and you can go check that out if you'd like, if you want to go see me getting punched. So you did get popped a couple good times I saw. John got you a couple like in the kisser.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Did you suffer any bruises from that at all? No. He got me more to the body. Couple to the head, more of the body. I think it's a little hard to tell with the body because you guys were wearing like bluntly like you guys were wearing clothes. Yeah. It's a little more difficult to tell. So the amount of headshots
Starting point is 00:41:33 we got on each other was closer to even but he got way more to the body on me and I kind of was like walking through them at first and then I was like he got one where I was like oh okay no stop walking through these you know there's the one where I you see me go ooh right I get a wharf out and then you see me drop my hands you're right and then you know and then there's another one there's a couple of those where there's hit reactions where I go oh the gloves come down you know and like yeah gloves coming down like like there's there's the bits where you're kind of like you can you can uh your arms are tired
Starting point is 00:42:10 you know so i'm just like okay i'm defending my head more than anything and i'll i'll i'll be willing to tank some to the body until you're not willing to you know uh but no i was fine um by basically about an hour afterwards i was like okay i felt uh like a little bit of ringing you know um and uh pop to tylon all and then um by that night it was all good uh he was feeling it way more, surprisingly. You know what that means? That means you won.
Starting point is 00:42:42 The next day his head and his arm, he was talking about how he was still kind of feeling some of that. And I was like, oh, shit, okay. That means you won. 100%. 100%. You conclusively won.
Starting point is 00:42:57 It's, it's, there's, there's no life bars. Damage received versus damage given. That's, that's, come on. There were no life bars on screen. If you kept going, then you would have Absolutely, you stopped the fight too soon If we kept going, I would have been a sweating, heaving mess
Starting point is 00:43:14 Because I was like gasping for air Use the sweat Oh man, cardio is rough Boy Anyways On a timeout Guy with less life They lose
Starting point is 00:43:29 That's just like that is Come on, that's easy The last 10 seconds are so Like, my hair falls down, and you can see me in burnout. That's... That's weird. Oh, fuck. What you're supposed to do after the fight is when you ask somebody, how you doing?
Starting point is 00:43:50 Never felt better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel... I should see the other guy. Like, oh, like, what? It's like, oh, you know, I feel I should go work out more today. Oh, man. Gasping, gasping.
Starting point is 00:44:01 I pushed... Initially, the thought was three rounds, and then I was having so much... one I said let's do four then I said fuck it let's do more let's keep going you know but yeah um the the ability to uh build that up is the most important thing I would say and it's the and I felt myself having fun but also like mad at my body for reaching its limit it was such a it was a dumb anime moment but it really was like damn it I'm starting to fucking go here we're starting to get warmed up and I can't move my legs or arms you know what you can do to help with that yeah just start pissing your pants oh yeah there we go
Starting point is 00:44:40 is that the adrenaline from the embarrassment is going to really just help you push through oh man yeah I wonder what the ref has to say about that I wonder well there was no ref right right true true uh there is an adrenaline dump by the way yeah command grab told us about that but like there is a definite like like about 30 seconds in like armor where you're you don't feel much you don't feel anything really you know because you're just your brain's on and then it's going to wear it's going to go down which also you feel when you're getting tattooing you would have wanted to have won by that point yes you would want in the in the ideal world right but hey you know this is not uh fucking takamura or tyson for that matter where the where the impact the strength
Starting point is 00:45:25 no strength stat strength that doesn't mean doesn't mean much in a in a in a hit counting fight right so anyways that was that was that did you go through the trouble of like counting all every single hit
Starting point is 00:45:38 overall to put it no no no I mean I by the end of the the five rounds I knew he touched me way than more
Starting point is 00:45:45 than I touched him and I was like yeah that's that's that you know ultimately it was it was one where he was like
Starting point is 00:45:53 he was kind of like it doesn't even matter or so but I'm like yeah no but you know you got me like you can
Starting point is 00:45:58 I can feel the the the tally if there were judges. So we have a question from the audience from one peach saliva asking when you were getting hit and feeling
Starting point is 00:46:10 pain, did you goon during the fight to distract yourself? Oh man, that is the good tech, isn't it? Unfortunately, I am not Hisoka, so I did not, you know, like as much as I love the idea of the combat sexual,
Starting point is 00:46:25 it just, it wasn't working in this particular one. I was a little too locked in there but you know like it might have happened subconsciously I might have not
Starting point is 00:46:37 been paying attention I don't know you know oh god and and for the record did you check for the record the gooning
Starting point is 00:46:48 the gooning tech the tattoo gooting tech my my impression is that under my understanding is that gooning implies
Starting point is 00:46:56 like you have to actively do it oh yeah yeah yeah gooning requires like you didn't make many uh you didn't make many clarifications so it was left to everybody's imagination okay okay because yeah my impression is that gooning requires like
Starting point is 00:47:09 actual physical activity to be occurring as opposed to just like to you know mind traveling mine palace you know depends on where your kegles are at hmm hmm okay because yeah I I if you can
Starting point is 00:47:26 if the definition of the modern goon to me has come to be just just edging that edging it edging it for hours just nonstop right so i don't know if you know this but in terms of uh follow-ups on the storyline here on c sb called taut don't tattoo me i'll come we had someone in this audience decide to give it a shot themselves. And how did that go? Not effective.
Starting point is 00:48:02 Okay. They didn't find it particularly effective. Though what was really funny is they posted about it on the subreddit and didn't get any traction and it immediately fell off the front page, but me and Page saw it and recognize the name. And the next time they came into my stream was like, you! I saw you gooning during your tattoo. They were very embarrassed.
Starting point is 00:48:25 Yeah. Again, if just going into your mind palace counts as gooting, that I suppose. But, you know, if otherwise you're just hitting, you're just meditating your way out, then I don't know what to call that. Sorry to hear that didn't work for you, buddy. You know, maybe your Rolodex sucks. Maybe the replays were not that great. Wow, that's quite a call-out.
Starting point is 00:48:54 Wow. Wow. Wow. I'm sorry if you don't have any five-star replays ready to go. That person's husband is listening to this right now, by the way. You know, if your best material just didn't, isn't going to cut it. I don't know what to do it. You know, damn, sucks to suck.
Starting point is 00:49:25 anyway um what's uh what's going on you had fun buddy yeah yeah definitely had a lot of fun loved it loved it
Starting point is 00:49:35 um what's going on let's let's switch over because I got a couple things but uh yeah well let's keep rolling with you because we're on the we're on the woolly show right now what's going on man
Starting point is 00:49:44 okay so besides fighting uh there was a couple besides sparring sparring and then getting flopped around like a fish there was a couple
Starting point is 00:50:03 of Fantasia movies that I wanted to catch that's going on right now and that's the Montreal Film Festival that comes every year and I've talked about it a couple times
Starting point is 00:50:13 and shoutouts to them got the cool little Fantasia shirt going is cool nice yeah so this year one of the ones
Starting point is 00:50:21 they had was all you need is kill which is the original story that Edge of Tomorrow is based on, exactly, right? But this is finally animating the source material. Oh, they made an anime movie about the Tom Cruise movie? So it's such a confusing series of adaptations. It sure is, isn't it? Okay, because it really should have been called Live, I Repeat.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Like, it should have been called that, right? Let's be real. I kind of love the name All You Need is Kill That's great too But like compared to Edge of Tomorrow Right Oh terrible
Starting point is 00:51:01 Got off Just got awful Edge of Tomorrow I'm like Is that the one where like The world Has a big Title Wave?
Starting point is 00:51:07 Is that the one where Robert Patterson gets hit by 9-11? Yeah like is that Is that where the world Just has a big old natural disaster Because that's what it sounds like You know Anyway
Starting point is 00:51:17 So the light novel Um was one thing and I checked that out back in the day I mean honestly like years ago I think I talked about it on Friendcast right and then there was a manga adaptation of that light novel
Starting point is 00:51:30 and then there was the Tom Cruise Edge of Tomorrow adaptation and now we're going back to the light novel and turning that into an anime and it was Studio 4C who animated that
Starting point is 00:51:49 and they're the folks who did kid story and detective story in the animatrix really, really talented
Starting point is 00:51:57 studio, tech on kid crete and the golden age arc of berserk, Spragann, et cetera,
Starting point is 00:52:03 you know, very, very cool. And surprisingly, going into this, going, all right, let's see how
Starting point is 00:52:12 the source material holds up in animated form all these years later, they changed that shit again. And,
Starting point is 00:52:20 yeah and they made a huge narrative swerve on what is happening because are you familiar with the besides you know okay you know the tom cruise movie i've only seen the tom cruise the edge of tomorrow okay so there's there's details that change between the source material and and that of course but for the there's large strokes that are mostly the same they adapted it so that it's following Rita, the girl as the main character, not Tom Cruise. Okay. They change the main character. Like when she's doing it?
Starting point is 00:53:02 You're following her story. And it basically makes it like, it's the rhythm is, it follows the beats. But then you end up meeting like the weaker person instead of like the weak guy meeting the stronger girl, so to speak. And this version is the best version of all of them. It fucking rules. It works really well. When you say you're following the girl, do you mean like through repeats or she just has one narratively sequential story?
Starting point is 00:53:35 Okay. So in the Tom Cruise movie and then, of course, in the original, you're following the guy who is a soldier who's joining up. He's not a soldier, rather. He's like one of the random grunts. And then you're following his recent. spawns as he finds himself stuck in the loop and then eventually you meet Rita who's like a badass fighter at that point with her armor her red armor going all in and she's already well advanced and she's on her own path and then the two of them working together have to make
Starting point is 00:54:10 it through and then overcome the the whole time loop problem right of the of the invaders this story the movie starts on her point of view and stays on her And she's the main character of the film. Okay. And we're following her story through the whole movie, and he ends up being the supporting character. So this is like New Game Plus read aside, essentially. Okay. But the events...
Starting point is 00:54:36 But it's a sequential narrative. No, no, no, no. That's the thing. The events are occurring differently from the source material as well with her in the main character spot. and it works so well it's really good like I was at first I was like why are you changing it you know after all this time we're not adapting it as I said no no no they didn't
Starting point is 00:55:01 they they this actually it really worked out it gives a bunch of extra perspective to things that like I felt were undeveloped in the source material something in particular that ends up being really cool here is like You know, you get the, a big part of what's awesome about the, all you need is kill and Edge of Tomorrow and such is like the montage of getting stronger and learning how to fight from being somebody that doesn't know what they're doing. And watching her kind of like spec all that, you know, experience into memorizing footseys and, you know, details of how to fight. But this guy who's the weaker supporting kind of dude is spending his loops like specking into.
Starting point is 00:55:47 int and knowledge and tech and advancing you know their their their their shit and like the combination of the two ends up working really well and complimenting each other in a really cool way you know there's aspects of their personalities as well that are expanded upon when you get their backstories that um like their personalities like you know i i don't want to go too far into because this is a brand new telling of the story so i don't want to like you know
Starting point is 00:56:14 spoil uh too many of the details but they've made them really complimenting characters with each other and um the source material has like this thing where you know a relationship feeling kind of sorts to form towards the end but it definitely always felt like it's a bit sudden but it oh maybe you know but it was a bit loose and odd and here it it gives you a bit more to chew on with that um and something about the original as well when the tom cruise movie got rid of it but the all you need is kill original movie always had this thing where there's an invading alien force that's
Starting point is 00:56:51 like a protas of sorts that's just not in the situation that sends in the stuff you see them fighting they're not actually the things that are fighting on earth that the spinning you know a blade enemies are
Starting point is 00:57:06 actually a detachment of like self controlling self-perpetuating drones essentially for like a smaller intelligent alien force that wants to invade and cutting and they're not in the picture and it actually makes
Starting point is 00:57:23 it's just tighter, it's a tighter story to not have this other force that doesn't really do much in the end and doesn't really lead to much either and one final bit is that there's a the end of the original story
Starting point is 00:57:39 was uh I don't yeah if anyone hasn't rest seen it or so like There's some twists that happened and stuff that plays out where it's like, that's cool, but they made it a smarter twist is the best way I can describe it. They took what was there, and they made what happened here. Like, it's smarter and it feels better.
Starting point is 00:58:03 So overall, the characters feel like they're just better fleshed out, better developed. And it's, yeah, it's the best adaptation of this story so far. Also, the art style is, like, really, like, having fun and, like, exaggerating proportions and characters and stuff in a way that is like unusual and I really like it, you know? If you go check out the
Starting point is 00:58:24 all you need is kill I guess 2025 anime trailer you'll see what I'm talking about there's like kind of goofy stretched out faces and stuff and you know and Studio 4C is willing to do that like if you see some of the
Starting point is 00:58:37 previous stuff they've animated like Tekon Kincrete for example so great job to them with this like it's a fun well done adaptation after all this time and you know for the changes they make they're for the better I think this is this is
Starting point is 00:58:52 my favorite version of this story now that I've seen it like four times um okay can't wait for the fifth adaptation yeah yeah I mean to be fair like it was always there was always a feeling of like oh the original was always just sitting there
Starting point is 00:59:10 and never got anything you know you went you went from light novel to obscure small manga to Tom Cruise you know so so yeah anyway beyond that there was another film
Starting point is 00:59:26 called Angels Egg oh I know Angel's Egg yeah have you seen it I've seen bits and pieces okay Angel's egg I've seen just enough of it to understand how it relates to the Rings City DLC and Dark Souls 3 Angels Egg is
Starting point is 00:59:44 a lot directed by Mamoru Oshi of Ghost in the Shell fame and art done by Yoshitaka Amano of fucking Final Fantasy fame. You can really tell with all the wispiness. It's gorgeous. It's one of the most beautiful things. And yep, wispy, blonde characters with their hair in the wind, walking around painterly souls ask
Starting point is 01:00:15 Gothic architecture shadowy dark and brooding it's difficult because what's it about well
Starting point is 01:00:29 Mamaru Oshi doesn't really want you to know it's beautiful and it's this and it's a movie that like
Starting point is 01:00:43 it's extremely light on dialogue it's extraordinarily obtuse and there's moments where analogies to biblical Noah's Ark and come into play heavily there's a couple of signs of like things
Starting point is 01:01:01 like you know angels there's you see like the bones of an angel with the titular you know so to speak angel you see fishermen that are trying to catch an army of fishermen that can't are catching fish that don't exist they they're failing but they're fishing after shadows um and what i can say is that uh this movie kind of came out and
Starting point is 01:01:28 memory oh she had a hard time with his career afterwards because it was so obtuse that people didn't know what to do with it and it does now watching it back it does feel like an art book committed to film um and for better and for worse you feel where umano and osi are like okay we love gothic architecture we like pretty girls uh we like cool young lads with like weapons on their shoulders and capes and we're going to show these things and that's kind of what we're going to show um and don't worry too much about the rest of it in a way there's cool imagery you can interpret as the best you can what you're looking at but um everyone was left scratching their heads going i'm not sure what happened and there's parts of it that slow the
Starting point is 01:02:24 fuck down and get really like like you're you're tilting your head sideways trying to you're like what are we doing here and not in a lynchian way but in a way where like um like lynch will show you a lot of things but like you won't know what those things are or why they're happening there won't be things. There'll just be like a lack of things, you know? There's a heavy, like, Ava elevator style scene. It felt like a minute long, like single frame shot, you know, at one point. I think by the numbers, they said that this movie had like 33% of the shots that an average animated feature does.
Starting point is 01:03:03 So, like, it's way less. But there's these big painterly things you're kind of looking at. Gorgeous, but you just kind of have to go into it going like, I'm not going to understand shit. And to some degree, there's an effect that doesn't work in its favor, which is, I was describing an episode of Game of Thrones that happens in the late seasons, right? When the horse starts to get into the child's drawing phase of Game of Thrones, where you're following the group that is going beyond the wall, you know, with the wildlings and such and John Snow. and they don't really have any other group to cut to for the whole episode so they just have moments and scenes of characters doing stuff then the camera pans up and then establishing shot
Starting point is 01:03:49 and then right back down to the same group and you're like oh no oh no we're out of stuff right that's a little awkward suicide squad the original movie exact same problem they walk they have a couple quips camera pans away pan back to the group we're still here we do another quip we do another scene pan away, pan back to the group we're still here. Yeah, there's no B-plot in that fucking movie. And you feel that in films when they're edited that way, and it feels bad.
Starting point is 01:04:15 It feels very bad because it slows down the time, and it makes it feel like, oh, we don't have anything else to teach you or to say, or to explain right now. So, we're just going to watch the character walk in and do a scene, and then walk out of the scene, and then the next scene with that
Starting point is 01:04:31 character will begin. And, unfortunately, it looks really pretty in this movie, right? And so, this is a, it looks really pretty, but this is, it, it's an, it does feel like an amateur move when, like, the time to move away from a subject or, or establishing a thing about a character into something else or in a different location, whatever the case is, you know, usually, you know, you space things out so that you can build up an idea of the whole pieces and then you let those dominoes all fall and then they clash together and then you get to your third act. And here there was not enough pieces moving because there's one main character who was by herself and didn't say anything. So it was her running around with her egg for... What's in the egg? We don't know.
Starting point is 01:05:22 But that carried on for the first, I'd say, 40% or so. And then eventually there's another character who joins and they kind of move together. But because they're not talking and because there's, you know, you're kind of just moving through. this environment, which is beautiful, but it does suffer from this problem, right? So we walked out of there going, I don't know what the fuck I just watched. It was gorgeous, but holy shit. And, you know, some folks were starting to fall asleep, and I don't blame them, because it does get, it does drag, you know?
Starting point is 01:05:56 You watched like the Genesis for the entire storytelling perspective of the From Software Catalog? I can, I can see that. I can see Berserk as well, being. part of that genesis that makes more sense in a way especially when it comes to the characters and the doing of things
Starting point is 01:06:14 you know because yeah like an art book showing you beautiful scenes and characters moving through them is what gets Amano fucking hard and and Oshi loves these beautiful like moments as well
Starting point is 01:06:28 but I had to go back and read about what this movie was and what happened and like I learned how we got here and why the obtuseness is as bad as it is. Because essentially this was supposed to be a Lupe the third movie and... Okay, that's what?
Starting point is 01:06:43 That's not what I thought you were going to say. And then that didn't happen. And Amano was slated to work on that with O'Shee back then. And when that didn't happen, the angel's egg idea and the wanting to... And there's a whole like Noah's arc like theme to this.
Starting point is 01:06:56 He wanted to revisit that. So he was planning to make an original also action comedy. And then he saw Amato his artwork of like all that gothic imagery and went, no, I'm going to make it a more serious Gothic tale. And then a person, a script writer that he was working with wrote up his full detailed script and a whole story about it. And then he threw that version out in favor of one
Starting point is 01:07:20 with all the words gone, basically. And there's a couple scenes where things happen. And he decided to go back and change them to make them harder to understand on purpose. I feel like Yoshitaka Amano is the single most prominent artist ever that has had the least amount of his art actually hit the page Yeah, the translation And so when we talk about something that's like Amano did this and OSHA did this
Starting point is 01:07:52 It's like, what do you got? I don't know. I don't know what it is pretty. And other, like, and I mean, but people love it so much that they're like, I'm going to strive to try to translate this into another medium, I won't capture it at even 50%, but we'll do our best, you know. But in this case, I mean, I feel like the environments especially feel like his final work, you know, like it feels like they really did realize a lot of his gothic castles and such. But yeah, Angel Zag was supposed to be a comedy Lupe the third thing, and then that got scrapped,
Starting point is 01:08:24 and then it was going to be like a more coherent story, and then that got scrapped, and then he wanted it to be obtuse. And so the end result was it got. you know, critically acclaimed for its beauty in in Japan a lot of, you know, people were like rightfully praising that, but there was one notable negative reception
Starting point is 01:08:45 that I saw and that came from that came from one Miyazaki Hayau and he said that he didn't understand the film and he appreciates the effort
Starting point is 01:09:03 but he feels it was not something others would understand. Oshy goes on a one-way journey without thinking about how to get back. And honestly, he's not wrong. That's so brutal, man. He's not wrong. That's so brutal. Holy shit. Like, it's gorgeous, but he's not wrong.
Starting point is 01:09:28 And as somebody who, like, there's definitely always wrong. room for something to be like kind of left open and to like let the let the let the let the let the let the looker come to you sometimes and such I I you know but like there's when you make those decisions I guess like they're open to critique sometimes they work and sometimes they don't and um this is this is kind of one of those cases where I'm like I don't think it worked as well you know and not that he shouldn't be like able to are willing to try that, but the end result did, like, you kind of lose track of everything going on at a point, despite the beauty. Now, I know that it's a divisive as fuck movie,
Starting point is 01:10:14 and if you're somebody who's like, I just love the vibe, and that's all that matters, it's going to be the best thing ever. And that's, that, that, that's fair. If that's, if that's all you were looking for. But, um, I read that and I was like, damn, Miyazaki, I, I, I, I see what you're saying. If I can pull from a turn of phrase my wife loves to use if I was a filmmaker and was criticized harshly
Starting point is 01:10:42 by Hayao, Mike Niyazaki, I would simply kill myself. Oh my God. So it's funny because I then read that like Oshy's own mother said that this would result in him not being able to get work. and he struggled to get work after this until Patlober
Starting point is 01:11:05 and then eventually goes in the shell and it's weird but there's when it comes to like these types of you know that you can tell what's happening and goes to the shell you can actually you absolutely can yeah you can actually you can find you like there's a plot and you're like oh that character you know yeah yeah and And, you know, because ultimately, ultimately, you know, he's adapting, you know, the original work and not necessarily in charge of the directing and script and everything else entirely, you know. But anyway, no, where was it?
Starting point is 01:11:52 What was I going to say? The, the, yeah, he had a hard time getting work after that and eventually, like, you know, you kind of broke the spell or sore. But there's a difference when you're making these decisions to be obtuse on purpose, right? Yeah, if Massimunei Shiro is behind him, then God bless. But when you decide, when something is like being written or a moment happens and you go, huh, you know what? should we explain more or should we leave that where it is? And you go, I'm going to leave it where it is. Let's leave that.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's leave that open, you know? I can see I've seen and I mean I've worked on things where that's been a part of it. Um, where it kind of like it comes out of the sculpture, so to speak. And then you kind of leave it undefined in a way deliberately. Um, there's a reverse version of that. I want to, I want to hold you on to there because I feel like there's a somatic version of the two ideas. you're describing. Like, there's a body version.
Starting point is 01:12:54 Because, like, one of the things I think about when you run into, like, a, you know, obtuse narrative, right? Or, like, something. There's two things. You can have your, you can look at, you know, audience man, audience woman. They can either be sitting there with their arms crossed a little bit and their hand on their chin, maybe, just like, hmm, hmm, right? That's good.
Starting point is 01:13:15 That's what you want. What you don't want is their hands on their knees and their eyes squinted a little. little bit going, what, what? So who? There's two feelings. Why? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those, those two feelings. You don't want that one. That's bad. And there's also two, there's also two ways to go about these moments, right? There's ways where you can, uh, essentially, um, you can think about the, like, the character and whatever details you want to say about them and go, let's bring these lines to the forefront, right? So an item description in Souls is a great example of that about like we don't know anything about this character except for what we get from their weapon their soul you know these couple of paragraphs or so right um the the the when when average movie goer is watching a film they should not sound like my mother watching an episode of law and order okay get a confused by law and order okay who who is that wasn't he the
Starting point is 01:14:15 the other way to go about it the other way to go about it is to have it all fleshed out and then take things away um and that that can be done but it's a much more delicate situation to fuck up and in this case where you're like oh he specifically took moments that existed and said i want these to be harder to understand the like that is my goal it's like it's not the same feeling you know um and and i i feel like that's there's a bunch of the of this where it you know you kind of go, ah, yes, this had more context or more lines or this had something that was
Starting point is 01:14:54 fit better, or fit more clearly into the narrative. And then he went, no, I don't want people figuring it out that easy. And then decided to obtusify it, you know? So anyway, all this to say that it's a gorgeous movie, but fuck, is it a
Starting point is 01:15:10 head fuck narratively? And it's a gorgeous art book that is moving, but it is a difficult recommend unless you are down with that art, and that's the entirety of what you're here to experience. There's a decision to leave the audience behind, and it was made on purpose, and sometimes that works, but in this instance, I don't think it did.
Starting point is 01:15:36 This is also an old classic, so it's kind of, it's kind of wild to be pointing at it and saying this, but you can taste the paper on it. But this is, this is, this is, you know, walking out of the theater with it. This feels like the kind of movie that, like, the most annoying guy you know would make his entire personality. I mean, yeah, yeah, it could be, it could be, you know, like, there's always the, I mean, Lynch gets those lynched fans that go that, that become that person, you know, but, but in any case, this is this, I didn't get the same vibes from this that I got from Mulholland Drive. mind you but yeah I don't think anyone ever would
Starting point is 01:16:24 from anything or other media that decide to be more quiet and obtuse about things it feels absent is what it feels like you know like if you're showing me things that I don't understand and then
Starting point is 01:16:42 kind of like letting me piece together how they might connect um there's at least there's more to chew on there, but in this case, it was a lot of, like, this one girl in this one environment with little things around, but not much in a larger context to, you know, sort of chew on. You know, I described the fishermen and the fish and the shadow thing. Like, that was one of the most standout unique moments that were not just involving these
Starting point is 01:17:09 two characters walking around, you know. And I fucking loved Eco and Shadow the Colossus. You know what I mean? So, anyway. Anyway, it's beautiful, though. All right. And then last, there was... But not least.
Starting point is 01:17:27 But not least. Fixed. Ah, you saw it. I saw that it has excellent reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. The Gendi Tarnikovsky animated feature film coming to Netflix on August 13th about a dog who's about to get neutered having his last day out on the town now so I'm gonna grab my dog
Starting point is 01:17:54 with no balls to listen to this review starring various names including Idris Elba and so like incredible ridiculous cast in this Fixed is fucking hilarious
Starting point is 01:18:12 oh yeah it's really funny it is absolutely disgusting it is super funny and fucking gross and you have to be last batch of running stumpy episode you have to be down
Starting point is 01:18:34 with the fucking gross if you're going to fully enjoy and embrace this that's the caveat and it's loud and clear Willie, I would like to ask you Just a clarifying question Yeah Just to set the tone
Starting point is 01:18:52 Um Is this cope No No And I can elaborate You to like go back And like examine it for like a second No I can elaborate
Starting point is 01:19:06 I can elaborate There's big laughs that the audience is having And that I and that we had Um To the shit going on in the movie but there are also moments where the entire row of us where Pudge Mom and me and Reggie and Canty are like all looking away from the screen
Starting point is 01:19:28 because we can't take what's happening on screen right now. All right? So if you want like, there's funny dog owner humor going on and a lot of fun, like you can tell too, like, okay, this is a dog owner that knows and understands dogs and like little inside bits that are very, very specific to dog ownership. I have an ugly disabled
Starting point is 01:19:50 dog. I would get these bits. Absolutely, right? They're on they're out in full force for a whole lot of that movie and there's a charm to how much this movie loves dogs and paying attention to the little things they do and if you're a dog owner, what you get from that.
Starting point is 01:20:07 At the same time, I hope you are okay and ready to stare at turds being chewed on in detail like yeah I can do that
Starting point is 01:20:21 okay so if you're listening to this some people can probably do that some people can't staring I've had to I can't take that I've had to scrape cat shit off my dog's teeth man
Starting point is 01:20:35 yeah okay I'm out I'm out I can't do that that's fucking crazy I can't do that oh man right oh I have bad news for you sir and you know what no no no I have bad news for you. No, no, no, no, no. Baby and her own poop are, are, are, its own little world of, it's, it's told. All right.
Starting point is 01:20:52 There is, hold on to that. Yeah. Yeah. I am, I am, there's, there is nothing that can come from that. That'll, that'll, that'll, that'll, that'll be an issue. Um, there, someone right down that he said this. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:21:05 Okay. What that actually means is, it will be an issue, but I'm going to fucking do it. And that'll be that. There you go. okay all right like an issue actually is for me
Starting point is 01:21:18 is like no I can't do this I'm tapping out no there is no tapping out it's happening regardless but it'll suck there are there right that's it I'll tell you I'll tell you a story
Starting point is 01:21:26 now now now now the row of us sitting there can't deal with that that's too much man and it was fucking and like the bit was that like
Starting point is 01:21:37 it keeps going it was like we know we're gross so let that linger and let's add Right, let's add the details, right? You're like, oh, I got no problem, sure, okay. And, like, you know, there's points in the movie
Starting point is 01:21:50 where there's like a poop emoji style joke of like, oh, it's the little ice cream fucking thing or whatever. This is, like, details and peanuts, man. Yeah, whatever. Okay, so you're saying whatever, but for anyone listening... I watched the cup, I didn't blink. That's fine, but just understand, a lot of people are not going to whatever that.
Starting point is 01:22:09 That it fucking is like, ugh, right? so that's it that's it right if um you know there's there's hilarious laughs you know and and and big old
Starting point is 01:22:23 fucking great there's some funny ass bits but there's like dog fucking like there's dog sex happening and it's awful and it is like super like emphasized
Starting point is 01:22:36 there are out right there are elements of that where it's like you're animating the feeling of like you know when a cartoon dog is like floating or a cartoon is like floating because of the smell of a pie or whatever that's right yeah the waft of the heat coming from the the the female in heat and we're animating that the fucking we're animating the dog pussy waft as the dog is getting in there to to fuck and you're like oh my god what are we doing guys and it's just it's a lot man I gotta tell you, somebody who's
Starting point is 01:23:12 owned dogs my whole life, this is actually like, you need to just fucking... Okay, well, that's good. It's good that you can fucking tank that and you're fine, but I'm describing why everyone else is having a rough go about fixed, right? And where you start... The reason why you started this going, like,
Starting point is 01:23:28 are you sure it wasn't cope? It's because that feeling everybody's getting is from what I'm describing. That shit is in there. You know? It... if you're gonna go see this or go watch it on Netflix or if I'm gonna recommend it to people
Starting point is 01:23:46 you have to be able to deal with what I'm describing and if you can then great and if that sounds like a bad time then you know so what you're saying is that you're saying is if you're cool and tough as fuck you should watch this movie and if you're a little pussy man you just stay oh yeah yeah not
Starting point is 01:24:06 not not being down with the fucking fucking turd eating is, it's just gross stuff. Yeah, exactly. It's gross stuff. Anyways. I don't know what, there's no,
Starting point is 01:24:23 you either feel this way or you don't, and that's it. End of story. This is where we are. It's not like it's pickles on a sandwich. Okay. Disgusting. The things that make you viscerally react and gag yeah make you viscerally react and gag pat hey hey listen woolly woolly dogs exist in the real world mystery syringes are rare and we've reached the limit of the point and i've established so that anybody who's hearing this
Starting point is 01:24:56 i'm talking past you at this point to the to people who are like oh yeah i kind of don't want to see shit eating actually you know yeah but anyways um now that being said it's fucking it's it's it's really funny like it's super wild and it does definitely um I was thinking that the
Starting point is 01:25:15 um uh uh uh the inspirations were going to be I think I said like Fritz the cat or um John K and it's like it was actually not that it was like Tex Avery it's just going on like a big adventure
Starting point is 01:25:29 into the city and you know um overall in terms of just like animation quality and like the um gendie doing what he does it's incredible stuff but he's using it for evil for evil he's using his talents for extreme evil to attack you specifically to attack everybody really this is not no you he's pointing his finger at you go on i'm going to get you willie well i can prove that that's not the case and let me let me get there all right
Starting point is 01:26:01 Oh, yeah. Oh, oh. So, we're sitting there and, like, they go, all right, we're going to bring up the, we're going to bring up a special guest, and it's the, and then we're like, we're like, oh, and it's like, it's the, the animation France festival curator, and it's like, oh, hey, come on, you know, he comes up and he introduces some of the choices for their films and everything, and we're just like, Jesus Christ, like, okay, he's like, it's the closing film of the festival. you know, let's, uh, yeah, like, fine, this is a big deal and such, but, like, imagine me to keep under these circumstances. That would be insane. And then the dude goes, ladies and gentlemen, Gendi Tartikovsky. And Gendi walks out on stage. And we're like, what? I filmed the bit. Like, literally me and Reggie and we're just like, why? You're here now for this? We're meeting you because dog pussy. Yeah, dude.
Starting point is 01:27:02 It's what he really cares about. And he actually showed up in this for this premiere. And then, you know, the movie played. He got an award. And then he did a Q&A afterwards. And at the Q&A, he was describing, like, they're like, okay, so what the fuck, man? You know?
Starting point is 01:27:27 And he explained it. He explained it. And so basically, he's been trying to make this. I said 11 years before since 2008. So it has been longer than that. And he has been trying to make this. And it was also a movie that he wanted to make. It was basically like something with him and like his friends from school back in the day.
Starting point is 01:27:52 Like their crew, you know, was kind of like he wanted to kind of like kind of like have it like a little animated feature with some of those friends. Almost like Seinfeldie, you know. And then at one point he was like, oh, maybe. Making them dogs is like a fun way to do that. And pitched it and got interest, but, you know, couldn't get, couldn't land it, you know? And after all this time, it's finally like, it's finally possible. That's fucking 17 years now, you know? But he was describing how he's like, you know, in addition to that, he's like, he loves his dog.
Starting point is 01:28:24 And you can tell. Like, he fucking pees in, you know. How can you not? They're the best guys. and just he just he didn't have a pitch beyond him and four other dogs that represent his real life friends kind of have hanging out and having adventures and then at one point they went like oh well they're like they're like that's good but it needs a point it needs like something to stick you know and then they're like oh what if he was going to get fixed the next day and then they're like okay
Starting point is 01:28:49 great but also right around 2010 or so like adult R-rated comedy just evaporated and stopped existing. Like there was nothing. And no one was interested and that continued to be the case for a really long time. And then basically it was around like COVID where like that started to like change again or so. But no one was hiring and no other no one no one else was working on was on that stuff. And you know, R rated things are always like really really like rare for studios because they're just like nobody's going to see this. It makes no money. What's the point? Then you go on top of that 2D hand animated, not 3D? What are you crazy? Right? I just like, I don't think I could get the chunks the right viscosity in 3D. Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, TV has always been TV,
Starting point is 01:29:38 but in terms of film, you know, yeah, Simpsons and Family Guy and South Park have always been there. But in terms of getting movies made, like, like, it was just, it was a huge obstacle that nobody was interested in. When they eventually did get it done, he's like, they ran it by and they did four large test audience screenings and at each one of the screenings the audience was howling it was every big laugh was happening it was humongous everyone was dying
Starting point is 01:30:06 in their seats and then afterwards under your seat you grab an iPad and you fill out how you felt about the movie and on the test screenings they tested like shit they tested horribly because everyone was laughing but was also disgusted and horrified and it was like this is this is my mom and the simpsons my mom hated my dad and me watching the simpsons
Starting point is 01:30:32 she'd be like oh it's so crass and rude and disgusting and we'd be like it's the it's the simpsons what are you talking about and then every time she would walk by and see it and stare at it for 10 seconds a gag would get her and she'd laugh go oh no no no right yeah so the idea being like yeah it's you you're the person like everyone they're laughing and then after the fact there's just there's there's some people that are probably just like feeling that shame at it or whatever but as someone who likes raunchy comedy you know i'm down for raunchy comedy but every but the test screenings all went horribly because it was just also too disgusting you know and so you can laugh at a movie because some scenes are like that but other scenes you're losing
Starting point is 01:31:20 people and when I was like there were at least yeah there's two three parts where I was like all right we get it I'm looking away like I'm legit looking away now you know um and uh and I think that's kind of what what the struggle was eventually you know Netflix is like super down for it and they're like yeah fuck it throw it up there and so that so it's getting made now and it's done but this is what you got to know going into it you know and I think uh the the reviews as well like yeah you're you're you're gonna see once it comes out or so you're gonna see it it's gonna probably be very high but also extremely divisive right because it's like a good kind of movie to see with like a milkshake and like chocolate raisins or a melty oh henry bar
Starting point is 01:32:09 i don't like them melty like they're they're they're like a mess in the best of times Well, in any case Yeah, there is a very clear Like, you know, kind of like a good movie Can still have a dog dying in it And that always tests poorly Yes You know how that's a universal thing
Starting point is 01:32:34 That just doesn't go well Hey I'd say that that's not even true I'd say that your movie can't be good If a dog dies in it Bad movie Oh Oh
Starting point is 01:32:45 Immoral even Oh, interesting Dogs are good Yeah Yeah So if a gag in this movie happens Where I don't know
Starting point is 01:33:04 Would that 180 this conversation Oh absolutely 100% Oh then I then I guess we have to Because it makes me feel sad And I don't want to feel sad And if I feel sad watching a movie, bad movie. Well, then I guess you're going to have to 180 your stance.
Starting point is 01:33:20 Darn. Because it is a, no, no, no. It is a, there is a quick, it is a quick gag, but there is absolutely dog death in this movie, and it's brutal. Oh, that's a bummer. It's brutal. There is, there's also squirrel death you could see in the trailer. That's,
Starting point is 01:33:35 it's, squirrels have no souls. That's very brutal as well. So, you know, uh, yeah. Guess what? The old adage, that dog dying, on a film is like horrible for test scores continues to be true in this case 100%
Starting point is 01:33:52 you know so yeah fixed is coming out you can in 10 days or in less than in about about a week you can check it out on Netflix and see for yourself but like this is the deal there's going to be a line drawn in the sand between you know the folks who are able to handle
Starting point is 01:34:07 the scat humor and those that can't per se and the rest of it you know the like animal sex in particular is like you can it there's a lot of cases where it's like, okay, you can imply, you can zoom out, but then some parts where you go all in on it, there's like a, oh my God, okay, you know, um, Austin Powers had the, then like poop bits happen in comedies from time to time as well. Like the Austin Powers mug is implied and that allowed the censorship rules to change forever, et cetera. But this is just what it is. Just like, know you're going in and know that's going to be a part of it. And if you're going to get your laughs regardless, then yeah, it'll be, it'll be great. You'll have a good time. Um, because I, I enjoyed it and I thought it was a very funny movie, but I have to put this, the, the, biggest disclaimer heads up in advance of this. And let me ask you, Gendie's nuts.
Starting point is 01:34:53 Do you think that this is the kind of thing that if you had not seen it in the theater, you wouldn't have felt as much social pressure to not vomit? If I watched it at home, you would have been like, fuck it, I'm going to barf. If I watched it at home, no, I probably would have reacted the same way. I would have been like, yeah, we get it, man, we get it. We get it. Okay. Next, right?
Starting point is 01:35:18 And I would have been like, oh, God. Like, yeah, no, I think I can see myself reacting pretty much the same way. If you're with a group of friends that are like super down with the fucked up, then, you know, they'll probably encourage that shit. If you're with your, if you're with your mom and dad having family movie night. Well, here's the problem. And you got the kids nestled up, then maybe not. You can't be the first person to barf. Right? That's just embarrassing.
Starting point is 01:35:48 You want to hold on at least like number two or three and have it hit with the chain reaction. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, it's animated. So there is a limit to the amount of damage it can do. Right? Versus like the real thing. The real thing is always way worse. But here's another example. Jackass three?
Starting point is 01:36:09 Hilarious movie? Absolutely. Fuck that train scene. Fuck that. There's a train volcano scene that is just the worst thing. Oh, really? I think of the same one and two with the poop. Yeah, the diarrhea, the diarrhea ass, yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:30 Yeah, okay. All right. Not a fan. Not a fan. Funny, funny movie. Fuck that thing. I hate that. That sucks.
Starting point is 01:36:39 So, yeah. Shit Volcano was not a good time. and that can simultaneously exist in a movie that I find funny. Seems like other people are in agreement there. Like, yes, okay. Right. So that's it. That's fixed.
Starting point is 01:36:58 And I'd say that's probably like the apt comparison point where you're like, big laughs, but boy, do they come at a cost? So yeah. Anyway, that's about it. The only other thing I wanted to let people know is that, This month and this month only, you can get the woolly plush. Well, Wool's in the Lab is up for order now on makeship. And I'm going to have to remind folks that it's like it's going to be over at the end of August 30th.
Starting point is 01:37:34 It's going to be done. So you can orally order it this month. And in the future when you're like, how do I get one? You probably can't. So grab it. Grab it now while you can. Um, should I have put a plug, uh, in the, the big old boxing match? Yeah, I probably should have. That would have been smart.
Starting point is 01:37:50 Yeah, that's like it would be a wildly appropriate thing. Yeah, especially given it was right before the day before. But you know what? I'm a dumbass. So this is how, this is, this is what you get. I mean, you're busy. This is what you get. This is what you got stuff going on. Yeah. Um, but if you want to get one, get one now, uh, because you will not be able to get one later. Um, unless it does crazy well and they go, hey, let's bring it back. But as far as I, my understanding, this is a one-time shot. with a threshold of like really high sales for being like we can do another if you want but
Starting point is 01:38:19 we'll have to see all right you want to do some sponsors or do you want to switch over to pat time let's do some sponsors all right can i pee first let's pee yeah piss not as nasty as poop uh hold it piss can be much nastier than poo because piss can be hidden much more effectively
Starting point is 01:38:51 hmm no like you walk in someone is that a log of shit and you're like whoa that's brutal right but you could there could be items that are like secretly pissed on
Starting point is 01:39:04 no but it's just it's old and vague but I won't feel anywhere close to the level of revulsion that I would feel with number two. Like one is just always not going to do as much damage as number two. Really? Unversally, under any circumstance.
Starting point is 01:39:19 Okay, what about this? What about this? You can avoid shit a lot more easily if it's being like thrown at you or attacked on you. But piss, it's hard to dodge piss. Yeah. And I would...
Starting point is 01:39:30 If piss is coming at you, it's going to get you. But the desperation to avoid it is not nearly as high. Oh, I don't know. I don't want piss. No, I don't want it either. I'm going to be very desperate in all scenarios.
Starting point is 01:39:43 But yes, but it's just, like, there are people that are not listening to this episode anymore because we started talking about poop. Oh, I would like to point out, I wasn't going to blow her up quite as hard, but like my wife has like barfed twice listening to this episode so far. So that's like people are tuning out because of this conversation. Like you're you're standing here being like, no, it's no big deal. And I'm like, dude, everyone hates it. It's the worst. You're nuts Don't get it twisted
Starting point is 01:40:12 I hate this also But I hate lots of things And I have to do them Okay Well this is This is about the poop That you don't have to do Like sometimes your dog
Starting point is 01:40:22 As like a turd And like there's too much of like hair In the turds Yeah Yeah yeah yeah And being Yeah yeah And so being responsible
Starting point is 01:40:32 Means you chose this path And therefore you got to do that To be a good You know Dog owner And to be a good parent And so on sure But for all
Starting point is 01:40:39 the stuff that you don't have to do that you have no responsibility to. For all the ones that are just out there in the wild that you have no responsibility over. Fuck that shit. All right. I bet I could run faster from a guy pooping than a guy pissing.
Starting point is 01:40:58 The neuron activation. I bet he could, I bet, no, I bet he could run faster if he was just pissing than if he was pooping. I mean, it's just like you can't you just can't get there you just can't get there i don't know it's just yeah they're like i don't know i don't know what to tell you it's just like well i'm going to go piss in a toilet where you're supposed to
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Starting point is 01:41:50 I have a name for you And that that name is Jim Norton Oh yeah Yeah no thanks And no there's a difference there And he made his he made a career He made a career On the fact
Starting point is 01:42:04 That he was able to take it further beyond the limits of where anyone is willing to go with that shit, right? No. The fact that, like, people are like, yo,
Starting point is 01:42:18 if you're being a fuck, a filthy degenerate and you take it to number one, people are, people are gross, but like can follow you there. But with the two, level two is like,
Starting point is 01:42:30 well, that's why you're, that's what your career is based on. His career is from the fact that everyone's like, you're down with what? here's the thing I'm not down with anything
Starting point is 01:42:41 I like I have like people watch my show often actually know I'm actually down with almost nothing what I have is just a really high threshold for tolerance because in that whole discussion that whole discussion none of that is the grossest
Starting point is 01:42:57 thing that I've ever had to deal with I used to have to sort bottles that were given in by homeless guys in the bottom of the grocery store for like entire work shifts that is an order of magnitude
Starting point is 01:43:14 grosser than anything we have talked about today like that is so much worse than anything we have talked about today it is so disgusting and I would do that like nine to five
Starting point is 01:43:32 for like a week like drinking bottles 40s and beer bottles that would be found acquired brought in to give in not washed out
Starting point is 01:43:51 so when you're stacking thousands and thousands of filthy beer bottles you hope that that's old beer you're smelling you're smelling You pray that that's old beer.
Starting point is 01:44:09 Yeah, I think, um, I think like just the, the, the gag reactions are just placed in different locations for you. Like, they exist, but they come from different places, you know? They're distributed a little, a little bit differently, you know, but I, I say Jim Norton to say that. Someone in the chat says, you hope it's best even. You hope. You hope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dear God, please. Um, oh, no, it's a Jankham. Oh, well, that, oh, no. Then you, then you fuck up and drop one and cut yourself and then you get to enjoy this mental process.
Starting point is 01:44:48 Sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Nightmare. Nightmare. Yeah, yeah. So, so that's it. That's it. That's it. But like, like, that is a career built on the fact that most people cannot deal with this discussion. That's the, his entire fucking, you know, These Gen Zs don't know how to deal with piss anymore. Back in my day. I mean, that's from the fucking Ozzy generation forward, really, you know. But I don't know. G.G. Allen, some something. I wish G.G. Allen was still performing. But G.G. Allen is a wild and funny, like, anecdote.
Starting point is 01:45:31 Because it is just a story, and it is just words coming from. from our mouths into a microphone and not actually in the room happening to you. Like, as long as this is a fable and also he is no longer alive and cannot hurt you, then we can laugh about
Starting point is 01:45:49 Gigi Allen all we want. Only grows with the fact that he's a dead guy. Oh, man. Would that stop being funny the second he was standing behind you? Now? Oh, that'd be hilarious, dude. I guess you can't poop with bones
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Starting point is 01:56:15 I had a lot going on. August is going to be a fucking big month for me going forward. Yeah? Lots of birthdays. Yeah. Lots of birthdays. So, today is my darling, wonderful wife's 29th birthday yet again. 29 years young.
Starting point is 01:56:36 Congratulations, Paige. Happy birthday. You've been 29 for an unknown number of years. Happy birthday, page. Love you, darling. Birthday stuff is one of the reasons that we are moving today's show slightly over. I noted that you. you have not yet, you're still doing good because the mistake is when you start saying 29
Starting point is 01:56:58 years young, that's what it's- That's fucking shit. Oh, that's, that's when it's over, right? That's, that's even worse than the real thing. That's dog shit. No, fuck that. Yeah. No, no, no. All right.
Starting point is 01:57:10 Also, I now have a two-year-old. Which is crazy because, and I've described this on, on stream, it's weird. my son is two years old because he just got here six months ago. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And it was weird when he was one years old because he got here six months ago. Uh-huh. Yes. Like, no matter how old he is, he feels like he's only been here for six months. It's fucking weird. It's super fucking weird.
Starting point is 01:57:40 Yeah. It's the, it's the 2000s. There was, they're all, they were just yesterday. I hear those twos can get pretty terrible. Oh, he's an angel. He's, I mean, you hung out with him. he was an angel then and he's an angel now. Yeah. No tantrums, no problems. His language development is rock solid. When I take him out for his
Starting point is 01:58:01 morning walk, you know, to the park, I set him up into the stroller and what does he do? He looks over. It goes, bye-bye, caboose, bye-bye, Catmo. Every morning, total angel. The best child ever.
Starting point is 01:58:17 Let's see what new language he learns and, you know, whether too bad. Oh, he's full on repeat mode. We're locked in down. We're locking it down like right now. Too bad and and hug rejection. Yeah, no, no, no. We're up, we're up to
Starting point is 01:58:33 oh, it's the newest. We're up to like six, seven word sentences now. Like, oh, we can't go to the park because it's dark and he'll go oh, sun go down, moon go up, big night time. It's like, yeah, no, we can't go to the park because
Starting point is 01:58:53 big night time. Let's go. Hell yeah. Is Pat capable of not swearing? No, I'm trying to just phase out. I'm just trying to phase it out. It's tough. He's a genius, and he's the handsomest child of all the other competing children in my neighborhood,
Starting point is 01:59:09 and it sucks for those other parents. Competing. Oh, yeah, no. My child is better. Just give it literally a couple of weeks, and you'll be like, wow, every other baby in this maturity ward, shit. stupid. Stupid. Unemployed.
Starting point is 01:59:28 Just literally give it a couple of weeks. Would step over them if they were on fire. Oh, yeah. Oh, 100%. Oh, you're going to feel it. It's going to be super intense. And then the part of your brain is going, that's not real. And you're going to be like, shut up that part of my brain. I don't love you anymore. I love it. I, you this front part? Fuck that. I want this back part of my brain. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no. That's where all the bad stuff comes from.
Starting point is 01:59:55 Nah, that's where all that good animal brain shit comes from. Hell yeah. That's where the boomer led retreats to. No, it's too late. So, we had a big day. We had a combination birthday, like a big outing for Paige and the little man. So what we did is we got Auntie, or the boys' babies. at her who we're friends with, right?
Starting point is 02:00:24 She has, her grandkids live in Victoria, which is the capital of BC. It's on Vancouver Island, right? So what we did, so got everybody into the car, we took a day trip down to the Victoria, right? And the primary reason for that is that we caught the last show of this.
Starting point is 02:00:43 Oh, Book of Mormon live. I'm holding up a Book of Mormon standee. Hell yeah. So Paige wanted to see live theater, and she's like, hey, bitch, you're going to see live theater for the first time, she said to me. You didn't catch it when they came here.
Starting point is 02:00:58 I've never seen I've never seen live theater in my life aside from the dog shit that are Dawson English teachers mandated us to go see as part of the curriculum. Okay, okay. So I've been like, wow, live theater is trash and to Page, this is offensive
Starting point is 02:01:14 because she's been a live... No, no, like... Okay, but wait, but we talked about the original... Like, you saw the record. of it from years ago. No. No? I thought we talked about that. No, I just listened to you talk about it. Wow. Okay. There was a record.
Starting point is 02:01:29 And I was like, cool. There was a recording of the original Broadway run that was on the internet, and it was fucking hilarious. And then years later, it toured and then started making the rounds. And yeah, we caught it here in the city. I think twice. But, yeah. How about that? So before that, went down to Victoria. Beautiful city. Really pretty city. Like, top shelf. like pretty city gorgeous walkable took my little man to the beacon hill children's animal farm oh in victoria okay large scale public park filled with wandering peacocks alpacas pigs ducks goose
Starting point is 02:02:14 and goats and we took my little man to pet the piggies and pet the alpacas and pet the goats and he petted those goats and he had a great time Did he see any for the first time? Oh, this is the first time he's seen a goat. Okay, okay, okay, okay. It's the first time he's seen a pig in person.
Starting point is 02:02:37 Okay, okay, okay. And he was super, super, super, super stoked about it and had a great time. But better than that is that like, because who knows what the memory thing is, right? right so you go hey little man like four days later like hey little man did you did you what did you go to the park and it was yeah you know how he does and go
Starting point is 02:03:06 what did you do at the park two three days ago right he goes pet pig pet goat I'm like okay memory yep like it wasn't a transitional yeah yep yep yeah good time like memory low voted in on petting the goats. And you got the photos and the memory to like reinforce in the future as well. Because because that's the thing is like it's in there, right? But so for me, like some of my earliest memories I have are like Disney at five because everything I have before that was just people describing things to me. And you start thinking, you start thinking about what they described more than what you actually
Starting point is 02:03:51 lived through. So, like, having that stuff to reinforce it is really crucial and important. Yeah. And also, I'm really thrilled because my first experience with goats and animals as a child that were not dogs or cats were all universally horrible nightmares. Oh, Granby?
Starting point is 02:04:07 So, like, my parents brought me to Park Safari when I was three. And then they put me in the goat enclosure and said, go pet the goats. But they didn't go in with me. And so then the goats started to eat my jacket. And I started to lose my fucking mind, because the ghost eating my clothes on my body
Starting point is 02:04:23 the fucking irresponsibility oh my god yeah in the in you go you'll figure it out and then back when seaworld was the thing and I went to seaworld when I was like four or five and my dad was like hey pat why don't you go feed the dears
Starting point is 02:04:40 so what he did was he took a handful of deer food and gave it to five year old pat the smallest child you've ever seen and sent me off by myself to feed the dears that towered over me. So what happened? This massive batch of baby deers just knocked tiny pad over and were like, give me the treats. So my dad to, like, grab me.
Starting point is 02:05:05 So these were not good situations, right? That sucks. They, you were set up to fail. Hold on. Did you mean Marine land? Absolutely. These were massive parental mistakes. Did you mean Marine land?
Starting point is 02:05:14 Yeah, it was Marina Land. Yeah, Niagara Falls. The Canadian nightmare. Yeah, okay, okay, all right. Um, anyway, so, me and Paige bring the little man into the goat enclosure, and dad crouches down, goes, pet, pet, pet the goat. And my good little guy goes, pet, pet, pet, and he petted the goat. And the goat, like, got near him. And he was like, I'm cool with the goat.
Starting point is 02:05:35 And he petted, and he was chill, and it was like a good time, didn't fuck it up. The fear of fucking it up is so intense. You got that, you got the one shot at the first time. No, you should be afraid of deer. You, you, like, based on what you just, you should, what you just described should be a one and done I'm out experience. I'm also not big on goats in general, like, because I can remember being afraid that they're going to eat my clothes. It's like a core, formative memory. You had fun in Nara.
Starting point is 02:06:09 Yeah, but Nara deer are more polite than Western. They are. They are. They are. They understand, they understand the common courtesy to. norm. They do. They really believe in the collective good, you know. They care about society and
Starting point is 02:06:24 order. Just less selfish, you know? So then we hung out with the boy, did Beacon Hill, petted the animals, saw a bunch of peacocks. It's just peacocks all over that place. That's the weirdest part. Like free-roaming peacocks throughout the whole
Starting point is 02:06:42 part. Then we went down to a place called Quasars in Victoria. which is a basement arcade. Okay. And Quasars is very cool, very classic style, old style arcade. It has the only House of the Dead Two cabinet I have encountered in decades that the guns have the sights on correct and the elastics aren't busted to shit. Okay.
Starting point is 02:07:11 Like I got there and I walked, there's a House of the Dead Two machine. I'm like, okay, let's see how broken this one is. And I put a token in and shot it And it went where it was supposed to And the elastic on the gun That's sick Fine Yeah
Starting point is 02:07:24 And I I went over to the guy Like that was clearly stoned Running the fucking thing I can't believe The elastic isn't busted on this fucking thing And he goes yeah I know man It's crazy
Starting point is 02:07:35 Yeah Keeping it in good condition Is also an extreme rarity Shoutouts to Cidercate in Texas That's really really cool Okay Those guns were not made to last Now they're over 20 years old
Starting point is 02:07:46 So there's a thing thing that's been popping up around recently which is like, because all arcades died and atrophied, right, in this area, the only thing is existing were the machines that were inside the movie theater, right? Everything else, fuck you. But something that's been popping up
Starting point is 02:08:01 recently has been claw machine zones. Well, that's just gambling. Has that, I don't know if you've been getting like Japanese style claw machine like rooms? Okay, there are a big trend popping up over here. And I walked into one with a couple friends before and I was like, oh yeah, this is okay. It's kind of like, it's doing
Starting point is 02:08:17 the Japanese-style thing, but the feeling of the lights and the music and everything going, and you have all those little machines but then there's some kid arcade machines and little things to write on. And I was like, oh, fuck, you know what? Actually, I'm glad these are here because if they weren't, there would be
Starting point is 02:08:33 no experience of the walking into an arcade feeling as a kid for her when she gets here. All right? If this is the only way to get that feeling of, whoa, the lights and all the fucking bells and whistles. I gotta be blunt, because like, I think, I think you might have overshot the target on this.
Starting point is 02:08:50 Anybody watching this live can see that there is a functional, brightly lit, colorful arcade in your background. Like, I think you're good. I think you're fine. She's not going to be up here for a while. You know, we'll get there. She might be sick of it at that point, to be perfectly honest. That's the danger. I'm constantly like mitigating myself to not be like
Starting point is 02:09:20 Check this out Yeah but the feeling I the feeling of walking into the rows of games and fun stuff Like that those places were just dead here And now that they exist I'm like you know what I don't really care for claw machines But at least it gives something Possible for her to experience that
Starting point is 02:09:38 So that's super cool and uh what did What did he run to? Oh the the little man Oh he he he had split off from us to go hang out with auntie and the other grandkids out on the town by ourselves. Oh, okay, okay. House of the Dead was for you.
Starting point is 02:09:54 Yeah, it was for us. Yes, okay, okay. No, no, we wouldn't have brought the little man to an arcade at two. It's way too loud, way too very, fair, fair, fair. So then we went, just a very minor side note, then we went to a Japanese restaurant that I can't remember in which me and Paige
Starting point is 02:10:12 once we ordered, we're like, oh my God, that old lady who took our order, fucking hates us. Holy shit. What happened? She hates us. No, she just, like, she looked at us and I could just feel how mad she was to be serving
Starting point is 02:10:28 anyone in her restaurant. Ah. So that means the food was incredible, right? It was incredible. Yeah. It was fantastic. Yeah. It was absolutely stellar. Let's go. I was like live posting it while it was happening. I was like in a restaurant, I think everyone here
Starting point is 02:10:44 hates us. Correct. The food is Fire! It's incredible! The more they hate you being there, the better it's going to taste. Love it. Contempt is the best spice. I had to ask her a couple times about what kind of noodles I wanted with my soup,
Starting point is 02:11:00 and she was just like fucking trying not to roll her eyes and just... Yep. Nothing tastes better than malice on your dinner. So then we went down to the Royal Vic Theater, where we could see the Book of Mormon. and a miracle
Starting point is 02:11:17 happened. We got good seats yeah center middle row so like maybe eight rows from the back on the on the main floor packed house the two people who had seats in front of us never showed up. Whoa that's fucking lucky
Starting point is 02:11:39 just the absolute most peak viewing Holy shit. Damn. And I tried to point it out and Page was like, shut up. Shut up. If you say something, the tallest man in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:11:54 That's great. Especially for that one. So I, as I said earlier, have never seen live theater ever. And I've also been one of those guys, eight rows from the stage. I don't know what I said that's different, but I was not from the back. Oh, eight rows from the stage. So like near the front. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:12:13 Um, we were close to the front. Um, and I'm one of those people that goes, explain why this is good. And then people have a trouble explaining it. And I go, that sounds like shit. It must be bad and you must be stupid. Which is a very difficult personality type to actually engage. Hard cut to Hasadiga. E. Boi. Yeah. So I think that might have been one of my least. Yeah. Maggots and my scrotum didn't get you. it's pretty good All-American profit is probably our favorite Oh man, it's such as bangers It's so good What's interesting to me Because I don't have a whole lot of experience with Mormons
Starting point is 02:12:56 I have one experience In which I scared the Mormons In my neighborhood Away from my house Because they kept showing up Over and over And Paige would handle it And Paige was too nice
Starting point is 02:13:12 to be like fuck off she'd she'd always defer she'd always be like oh we're really busy right now you see but but without without being harsh enough you leave the polite window
Starting point is 02:13:27 for revisiting so I got you know at some point she saw them out the window and she's like pat fine that's the scenario I live within my life where eventually someone goes pat
Starting point is 02:13:39 oh I remember this I remember this you stepped in with my favorite like shutdown ever where I opened the door and they got two words in and I just said yeah
Starting point is 02:13:50 I don't care about any of that shit yes right right right yeah and they just had no idea how to play off that you see like this was where like one of my early encounters was when I was still in the church
Starting point is 02:14:05 so I took it as an opportunity to debate which they were at first like oh we got one and then they're like Yeah, and then cut to the clock and then cut to like, what the fuck are we doing? What you did is you did a public service because you cut down on the amount of visits. That they can make it to other houses.
Starting point is 02:14:23 There you go. Yep. But so to their credit, despite coming to my house a lot, they were always very nice and very polite. Of course. Very, very kind, right? So, Book of Mormon is an incredible fucking musical, absolutely stellar, hilarious. hilarious had a big old grin on the whole time sitting on the edge of my seat audibly gasped at a significant number of plot points and just like oh god no
Starting point is 02:14:53 do you best use most intense use of white face i have seen to date do you do you remember like was there a point where it just got you like sniper headshot You think, like, there's a point where I remember just absolutely losing it. It was the big step forward and inhale and white boy going, I am Africa. That's pretty late. For my audience, it was, like, nuclear. For my audience, it was, uh, turned it off. Yeah, yeah, like a light switch, shut it down.
Starting point is 02:15:42 Take those gay thoughts and put them into a box and crush it! And just like had to put the song on hold for about 10 seconds because of the audience could be able to. Turn it off. Like a line switch. Shut it down. Yeah, wonderful experience. Fantastic. Of note, the cast we saw, the gentleman playing Elder Cunningham.
Starting point is 02:16:09 Let me see if I can get his. Uh, that's not the main guy, right? I forgot the names. Main, main guy. Okay, main guy, yeah. Uh, let's see. Named Diego Enrico, um,
Starting point is 02:16:23 was incredible. Fantastic. Would have to be. Hell yeah. What you expect that to like Josh Gad or, or any of the others. Mm-hmm. It's his first role.
Starting point is 02:16:34 Whoa. This is straight. This is his, he has no credits. This is his first credit. Oh, okay. So that's Diego Enrico. The touring, the touring cast.
Starting point is 02:16:47 I'll follow him on Instagram and he's got nothing on his Instagram because he's brand new. That's crazy. Because I know that like as soon as something goes off Broadway into like the tour, you know, it's a bit like the, um, uh, the Final Fantasy concerts or things like that where they start getting a touring group to like, you know, people that are willing to like, yeah. And so they have to get the cast difference. You're never going to see the original cast members. of course that were there usually at that point they're often famous um and depending on where
Starting point is 02:17:15 the tour is happening what country and such you're getting a completely different cast but you know you would hope that like yeah stringent rules for like okay if you're able to fucking get cast here you're perfect for the role so that's that's awesome that's really cool first time uh yeah no very few notes uh absolutely uh incredible experience fantastic musical this this was a thing for page's birthday, which is also one of those, like, segways. And now she's like, well, now we've got to go see more live theater. Because you know, you know it's good. You can't
Starting point is 02:17:47 Yeah. Right. So that's the thing. And like, I'm like, okay, there's a lot of, like, not every live theater show is going to be like this targeted to like our sense of humor, admittedly, but obviously, this is fucking South Park guys, you know. What sucks is the other one was Avenue Q, but like that never toured
Starting point is 02:18:03 or got as famous as this did. And that was basically Sesame Street, but R-rated, you know? You know, it's a really funny process um me talking to page about talking you about this on the podcast and page is like i bet any amount of money that willie is not seen the book of mormon and i would go as i knew you had already seen it and was just holding on to that like three times no you'd also seen avenue queue though that's hilarious no i have that's the problem is i have not seen avenue cue like i i want
Starting point is 02:18:31 to i've heard the music i listen to the soundtrack of it you know but i haven't seen the actual show. So yeah, listening to the soundtrack on the way home, right? Really, really put in a practice like, wow, how different it is to listen to the album of a musical than it is to see a musical perform. Like really, really genuinely impressive.
Starting point is 02:18:50 I do have one thing. I have one tiny little complaint about everyone I've ever spoken to, including Paige, about the cell of live theater. And I think it's a respectability problem. um every single conversation i have ever had about live theater they go but it's different it's different
Starting point is 02:19:15 when you're there and it's live and they're talking about that genesequa right that that that that that live energy that yeah it in your face production yeah right and i go oh like a wrestling show and everyone goes oh fuck off no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no and it's like no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no and it's like no No, no, no, no, no, no. It is exactly the same. It is exactly the same. It is exactly like a wrestling show. It is exactly like a live comedy.
Starting point is 02:19:45 It is an audience with a room where the laughs are bouncing off the walls and you're there with it. It's crowd energy plus sublimation and the loss of body. So I felt myself like rise up. And so I was like kind of looking down on the cast. In the moment, that's it. Combined with a live. Exactly the same. With live music.
Starting point is 02:20:07 Watching the Mormons turn it off like a light switch is the same as Undertaker getting up again. Yes. Combined with live music and like the enjoy, especially when the songs are good. I didn't say it was different page. Wait, I can't argue with her. It's her birthday. Okay. Of course you did.
Starting point is 02:20:20 I'm definitely mistaken, sweetheart. So yes, it's a hundred percent that. The crowd energy, the room, the live concert, all of that is real. It's a tangible fucking enhancer of these events. Yeah. I will say though one thing And this is a social consideration Intermission's 20 minutes
Starting point is 02:20:41 I got up to stretch my legs And saw the bathroom line And was like Every single one of you Is fucking kidding yourselves I watched like a good 200 people lose their minds Thinking they were going to be able to piss
Starting point is 02:21:01 During this 20 minute intermission I couldn't believe it Like, you know, when you're walking down a line and you hit, like, guy number 100 in the line? Mm-hmm. And then you see the hundred guys after him? So... Have you all lost your fucking minds? Oftentimes, it's girl 100.
Starting point is 02:21:22 Oh, yeah. No, no, no. No, women should carry a bottle, but... It's rough going. But, so now that you have been converted and shown the light, then, uh, when's Spider-Man turn off the dark. We were talking about that a lot, actually. Page was like, man, I wish I had seen that shit
Starting point is 02:21:40 before it killed all those people. Including fucking audience members that might fall on you, you know? Yeah. If you're down, if you're willing to risk a Spider-Man actor falling on top of you. Yeah, dude. I would risk that. I don't care.
Starting point is 02:21:56 Damn. You'd probably get a sick-ass settlement if you lose an arm at the Spider-Man show. That'd be hot. Yeah, dude. That's workman's. Com forever. Because Spider-Man. So that, our birthday extravaganza
Starting point is 02:22:10 was excellent. Everything went great. The baby got a bunch of cool, goat-based memories. I got to see live theater. Page got to feel like the smuggest bitch in the world because she was right about live theater. Something we've been back and forthing on, like our entire relationship.
Starting point is 02:22:27 But here's another thing, and this might be a dampener. So I don't it might be. I know exactly what you're going to say. Book of Mormon is like the best life thing I've ever seen It's like it's actually the best I use that against her because I'm like Oh I'll definitely go to more live theater with you
Starting point is 02:22:45 As long as you can handle after every single one I wasn't as good as Book of Mormon It really is all downhill from here Like it's I'm sorry to say You're never gonna hit that It's phenomenal In the same conversation of Book of Mormon I'm like so
Starting point is 02:23:02 unfortunately to all people who don't exist in the time and place the loudest most pop-off event I've ever seen in my life was the first show of the first day of the first week of South Park the movie in a Canadian theater in Canada yeah yeah yeah yeah like the earliest a human being could have ever heard blame Canada with like with a batch of hundreds of 14 year olds like oh my god
Starting point is 02:23:41 us us getting the spotlight in the south park movie was kind of wild oh was the sickest i couldn't believe how much attention we were getting paid oh i loved it it's me me yeah um so that went great um i also played a couple video games um I beat D.K. Bonanza. Okay. D.K. Bonanza is uniformly excellent, top to bottom, absolutely amazing top-shelf Nintendo game. Banana scraping? No.
Starting point is 02:24:16 Okay. No, I got, like, anything that was in my way. I got it, and there's a lot in your way. Like, I ended the game with full half of all bananas. Okay. Like, 500 out of 1,000 bananas. Fucking great game. uh weird difficulty curve where um it's a joke like it's a joke until the 99% mark and then it gets
Starting point is 02:24:42 really hard oh yeah like the the very very last level all of a sudden gets super hard is it nintendo hard where it's like it's hard but the penalty for failure is just a couple seconds lost? No, you start to die and have to have like a boss run, like a Dark Souls game. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. However, I will say, do you remember me making fun of Nintendo fans because everyone was going
Starting point is 02:25:22 crazy about Sp-you know what? We're going to just... Okay. Now, for those of you who are like, oh, like a Kirby game, no, no, no. Kirby gets hard after you beat the boss, right? That's, it begins once you hit first credits. What's going on? I was making fun of Nintendo people because all of a sudden,
Starting point is 02:25:41 everyone's like, oh my God, Donkey's no Donkey Kong. That's like so much going on. It's so crazy. There's so many spoilers about it. You got to have, shh, right? You remember that attitude? And I was like, you people all sound insane. this is fucking Donkey Kong
Starting point is 02:26:00 it's gonna be like a guy shows up and goes I'm gonna eat the bananas and Donkey Kong's gonna go know my banana and it's a fucking it's a fucking Donkey Kong shut up
Starting point is 02:26:10 and then I was reached out and I was like no man it's actually it's really good you should be careful you shouldn't right um yeah I'm gonna go back on what I said earlier in Donkey Kong game
Starting point is 02:26:27 Yeah. The Nintendo people are insane and don't know what spoilers are. Like, we're not even talking a twist here. It's fucking ridiculous. You're going to go back. You said you're going to go back on what you said. Yeah, I'm going to go back to my original state. Back to what you said, not back on.
Starting point is 02:26:46 Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, you guys sound like insane people. Okay, okay, okay, okay. You sound like, I don't know if you'll remember this. This is so ancient. You all sound like that guy. crashing out on that Neo Gaff Tropical Freeze thread
Starting point is 02:27:01 that had Ramby the Rhino in the title going, you motherfuckers, I can't believe you ruined the surprise that Ramby the Rhino was there. Insane. Okay. Just ridiculous.
Starting point is 02:27:16 Okay. What a great game. What an incredible game. And my YouTube comments are dog shit right now because I got to the end of that game story and went, huh, cool.
Starting point is 02:27:35 And no more. And you should have emoted more. And I didn't pop off hard enough. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. No, don't do that. But yeah, no, absolutely excellent. Fantastic final gauntlet, like final set of challenges.
Starting point is 02:27:51 Though I think that it could have curved up a little more smoothly. It goes from my baby could beat this section to took me like an hour and a half to get like the last three bananas. Okay, are there, is there a post credit challenge and, you know, that's a large scale post credit challenge. Yeah, there we go.
Starting point is 02:28:12 That's what I expect to step up all these things. There are five super difficult levels that you need increasing amounts of total bananas to unlock. Okay, yeah. So like the very first challenge is like, well, you can attempt it at 300 bananas. I'm like, well, I have 500 so I could try it.
Starting point is 02:28:27 But like, and it'll escalate from there. Like the Mario Galaxy, like Black Stars or whatever they were. Yeah, yeah, okay. A great game. Nintendo people are insane. They are the Disney adults of video games. It's cringe. Stop it.
Starting point is 02:28:42 It's a cartoon monkey that eats bananas. That is all to be said. Incredible game. Absolutely. fantastic. Probably my number two this year after Expedition 33. Okay. I'm glad to hear that order maintained, actually,
Starting point is 02:29:06 because there's been some speak of that being upset or so. It might win over it because people, um, I'm going to hold all the thoughts that I was about to say. Okay, okay, okay. That's fine. That's fine. I just...
Starting point is 02:29:21 If I win because people have shittier taste, in me. Okay. I do also remember in terms of like, like, like, whatever lore things and stuff, it's like, you know, there is that feeling of like when something, like, nothing, in a series of like childhood property where nothing ever happens, the decision to suddenly make something happen is always like, oh, wait, are you actually doing something? If something happened. But that, but then, and I remember, that'd be wild if something happened. And so when I was thinking of Mario Odyssey and I was like, oh, wait, are you going to do it? Wait. And then they're like, nah.
Starting point is 02:29:57 And I was kind of like that. And I was like, why? Come on. Just make something happen. And they're like, no. No. It needs to live forever. And it can't, you things can't happen. Otherwise, if things happen, then it won't be forever. Yeah. You kind of describe my exact thought process here. Yeah. Moving on from Donkey Kong. Great game. I'm going to go back to it every now and then when I feel like hearing old banana
Starting point is 02:30:23 and just, you know, scrape it up. But I'm definitely not going to go for completion. Late last night, I was like, fuck it. It's really late. Everyone in my house is asleep. I'm just going to play Fear and Hunger 2 on stream. Fuck it. Okay.
Starting point is 02:30:40 So I'm well aware that you, my friend, are a fungerite or whatever y'all call yourselves. I have fungered. You've got that funger on. But I've funger one. Funger 1. I didn't Funger 2 Which I hear is way better And improves on all the bullshit
Starting point is 02:30:59 I played Funger 2 enough to be like I'm gonna try out Funger 1 And then played Funger 1 for a half hour at 1 30 in the morning By myself and was like Fuck this Yeah yeah yeah okay okay yeah that's I'm not going back to this Holy shit
Starting point is 02:31:17 But you tried you know what As long as you tried That's it so you see the difference So the issue with Funger 1 over 2 is like movement and item use and Hunger meter No no I'm talking like control basic basic Like moving through menus walking around Is incomparably worse in the first game like that weird stutter step
Starting point is 02:31:50 that the environment does when you move in Funger 1 is terrible Yep, it feels like that RPG maker-ass basic style beginner's experimental project you know,
Starting point is 02:32:03 student project in that half hour of Funger 1 did you get got? Oh yeah, I got a couple times I discovered that I shouldn't fight anything
Starting point is 02:32:12 Ah, yes Was what I discovered Were you sodomized then? No, no. Oh, I played, I played Funger 2 on the
Starting point is 02:32:22 stream, and just to be sure, I added the censorship mod by some Raccoon man. Though Funger 2 has an official Twitch category.
Starting point is 02:32:38 Yeah. And censoring it is not required, but I was like, whatever. Because boy is Funger one edgy. Yeah, it seems I only cover up like two or three enemies like dick and balls.
Starting point is 02:32:51 Okay. Though I did have a fun time we're playing Funger 2. Every time I boot it, I get like an error from RPG maker that doesn't make any sense. Classic.
Starting point is 02:33:00 And when someone killed me like the game crashed super hard and the command line came up. This is like a brand new install off Steam. I don't know what the fuck is going on. As it should be. No, I mean the
Starting point is 02:33:15 I feel so the further you go into Funger 1, the more you feel the kid in grade 11 or 12 just impressing his friends by edging the fuck out right and two I believe is like the let's refine the ideas into an actual video game yeah um so my understanding is besides like uh uh um you know the improvements mechanically and such there's the overall flow and narrative and events happening are also not so like all right we get it yes look at the monster with the big dong that's going to grab you
Starting point is 02:33:53 and fucking you know again sodomize and then you're crawling around in the dark and then the dogs get you and then also hey man do you like berserk so fear and hunger too hope you like berserk more modern setting it takes place in like the forties in uh in bohemia um and uh like very old timey but like still more modern um i I got softlocked on my very first try. The tutorial monster cut off my arms and legs. And that was that. And then I couldn't move. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:34:26 And I had to just choose die. Yeah. Vicious and unkind is kind of underselling it. Like, it is, it is a JRP rogue-like that just demands perfection
Starting point is 02:34:41 per encounter. But it does suffer. You were describing Horizon and how the encounters stopped being a thing because they're puzzles to solve. This has that exact problem where... Yeah, arms. Hit the arm. Hit the arm right now. Depends on what you're fighting. Sure, but one of the first enemies in the game is like a guy with a rifle.
Starting point is 02:35:04 I pick Marco, the punchman, who looks like a Jojo character. I'm like, pick the evade skill so that the monster has like a dramatically less likely chance of killing me. And then punch his arms off So yeah Who you pick What your character has
Starting point is 02:35:22 And then what you're fighting Are all You know That you could just Get the wrong thing And do the wrong thing But once you learn the solution They should never be a problem again
Starting point is 02:35:30 You know Yeah Should But barring Critt Barring unlock Barring Disaster
Starting point is 02:35:37 And so you know Well you know I fought I got a little bit in there I fought some dudes I got infected Then I cured being infected Then I got infected
Starting point is 02:35:45 again. What difficulty by the way? Were there difficulty choices? There are three difficulties in Fear and Hunger 2. Okay. The first is the main difficulty is called Fear and Hunger, which is the middle. Then there's Massacist, which is the top difficulty, and then there's just easier
Starting point is 02:36:01 fear and hunger, which is the easier. Okay, so there was one called Terror and Starvation in the last one. In the last one, in the first game, Fear and Hunger is your easy mode, and then Terror and Starvation is the second one, and so on, so forth in the second game fear and hunger is your standard normal difficulty okay because there's
Starting point is 02:36:21 the biggest detail that changes the whole way the game fucking feels is torches and light yeah and i don't know if that plays at all a role it's not a factor in the second game at all okay okay that's huge the game takes place during the day well it starts during the day okay right um but um yeah uh really really fascinating aesthetic well like well written for a guy
Starting point is 02:36:52 whose second language is clearly English like a lot of minor typos a lot of suspicious amounts of Finnish words like if
Starting point is 02:37:07 it's if even had I not known I would have been able to pick this I was like oh a Finn wrote this the word percolay is this fucking thing. I mean, when you see the credits rolling for one, it's the funniest thing because there's just like, it's all the different roles
Starting point is 02:37:23 but it's just like, story by Miro, art by Mero. Mero did everything. Fucking Mero, though. Really cool game feels like it has a it has a really genuinely excellent
Starting point is 02:37:43 progression of yes that did one shot me and wipe me out and fuck my shit up but I learned a concrete piece of information that will allow me to survive that encounter next time okay and uh saving as well was like pretty normal I uh there's it's it's you can save I only found a temporary save point okay I found a book of enlightenment
Starting point is 02:38:11 okay that lets you save when you pick it up Oh, yeah, okay. And I did that, and I picked it up when I had one HP and was bleeding to death. So that was a really good. Good. Good, good, good. And number two, it's over three days, and each day has like three time periods. And I believe saving pushes the time period for it.
Starting point is 02:38:37 Yeah, okay, okay. All right, so you got a good chunk of what that. Yeah, I did about 90 minutes to two. hours of it and like dismal failures but the dismal failure was further along each time it's got eight characters uh i think the dev said that they're going to work on making all 14 characters in the story playable work on as in updates as in still updating it what oh my god wow i had no the characters even from the very very brief time that I played are very different things such as start with a gun or a boxer which can do excellent damage with just their fists or botanist in a wheelchair who can identify all plants right off the bat oh yeah cool cool that's great um super cool game looking very very very forward to messing around with it further.
Starting point is 02:39:41 Don't know if I'm going to keep messing around with it on stream. Maybe. Maybe. Well, you can see how it's like content fucking farming, right? Oh, absolutely. It is made for... People are excited to see the failure. Run stoppers.
Starting point is 02:39:57 Yeah. And they're constant. They're constant. And last but not least, I started my new show, B-Lining. with Zeno Blade Chronicles DE Awesome intro by the way, very cool Fucking
Starting point is 02:40:16 Quiet Viking is the shit Yeah I contacted him and it was like I want the cheapest Shittiest intro you can fart out in a week And he's like got it Incredible
Starting point is 02:40:30 Failed the assignment Too high effort Yeah Um So B-lining is the attempt to be a normal human being playing a video game. Okay, so I take issue, I take issue with...
Starting point is 02:40:46 You want to complain? With the people who have been going, oh, so you're doing what normal people do? No, no, no. Because not playing any side quests, to me, that does not... That's not the normal thing. So that's not it either. That's not it either. No. I have to keep re-explaining this. So here's the thing. I did the Celeste Mind Goblin stream with the strawberries, if you remember, a long time ago, which I'm like, I tried to play Celeste, but I couldn't because I tried to get every single strawberry, right? Which is impossible. Well, it's not impossible, but it's horrible, right? Right. So then I did a Celeste stream. I'm going to get no strawberries. That'll show Celeste.
Starting point is 02:41:32 God, yeah. Right, right. Which ended up being. being an even more mentally ill play-through than the strawberry one because I was like avoiding them, voting into rooms and then like dashing around to not touch the strawberries in a panic. Right, right, right, yes. So it was much more mentally. That wasn't, that was, the strawberry thing, I still don't follow you on that one. but regardless we got we got here um and in this case we talked about it and the idea was essentially
Starting point is 02:42:09 to you know not do anything that was not right in your way or go out of your way for stuff so i did not know this before i picked xenoblate chronicles but xenoblate chronicles has a main quest line on the mini map that is a yellow line that like it's That says go there. A yellow dotted line that points this is the way to the next story beat. Fucking perfect. It is literally a B line. That is crazy.
Starting point is 02:42:43 That's fantastic. Yeah. And the attempt to play a game like I'm Gene Park is to be normal. Not all nothing and not all everything. I am trying to force myself into the intended design. okay okay okay for Zeno Blade Chronicles DE which everyone
Starting point is 02:43:09 I put an exclamation point at the end so everyone keeps coming in going what the what the fuck is Zeno Blade D-E-I it's a game filled with British people guys come on so it is like you know
Starting point is 02:43:25 there's the main quest I'm going to walk towards it if there is a exclamation point for a side quest within 15 feet of that corridor I will go
Starting point is 02:43:41 pick it up, mash through the dialogue, and go back onto the line. And if I'm on that line and it's right there left is oh it's right there, okay do it. It's right there, I'll do it. But like
Starting point is 02:43:57 you pull up the map in Xenoblake Chronicles on my safe file, it's fucking hilarious because the revealed map is like a it's a fucking corridor right like gower planes is a is like one line throughout the whole thing important detail mashing through the dialogue on those pickups yeah fucking terrible they're so boring
Starting point is 02:44:18 as opposed to the main line dialogue yeah of course yeah um and the other thing is that the game has like a crafting system that's like make gems to slot in and I walked up to the furnace and went I'm going to use all my materials on what I think is good and then I did it and then I slotted them in and then I left and I never opened up my phone or argued with my chat as to so what do I want to put on shalk do I want agility or HP now I'm like oh that seems good yeah now yes now that is norm core right just making things that you're just based on the whim of what you're looking at
Starting point is 02:44:56 absolutely intended and picking up side quests at your leisure is what that, I mean, it can't possibly be because of previously established lore here. Yeah. So I had a bunch of
Starting point is 02:45:12 so I'm almost 40 and despite the fact that this is like, I'm going to, I'm no longer mentally ill. I'm very normal. There were many moments of like realizations so obvious, I sound like, like I have a learning disability.
Starting point is 02:45:36 Like, getting to the boss fight at the correct level where the boss was one level above me. one above and fighting the boss and like dealing with the mechanics of the boss and going wow this fights really great when you're not 15 levels above because the thing you killed just outside that made you way stronger yeah yes the other thing the worst one was like i got two party members in my party during this the last session and they joined at the level that my other characters were at yeah when charla joined the party yeah she was level 17 and ryan and shulk were level 17 and i went wow do they match the party to your level and chat went no and i went that's crazy there you can't believe it there you go yeah
Starting point is 02:46:46 and that happened again with the fourth party member at 24 and 24 I'm like did they match that like no that's what you're supposed to be in in QA we call that user path one this is this is the this is the correct path and you that those numbers are exactly where they're supposed to be
Starting point is 02:47:04 like when I played metaphor the last two people to join my party were tens of levels below me like tens of very bad And then I said, I guess the revelation to my own mind that was like obvious to everyone else who plays video games forever, which was I beat the boss and then I'm continuing on and like, oh, I'm supposed to go towards the, The main story, and if it gets too tough, then I'm supposed to go do the side stuff and get stronger for the main story. I'm not supposed to do all the side stuff and then complain that the main story is too easy.
Starting point is 02:48:11 Oh. Oh. wait like yes because doing all the stuff always makes you too strong for the challenge let me I know we're on a podcast
Starting point is 02:48:32 and I know that this is the worst thing that I could ever do but the only way I can think of making this make sense is to use a food analogy okay so you know when you have your steak and your mashed potatoes and your corn right standard meat and potatoes meal right yes well the steak is the best part and it's the main course so what you do is you eat all of your mashed potatoes and then all of your corn and then once the lesser parts are out of the way
Starting point is 02:49:11 then you start on your steak and that's how you eat a meat meal. And this is not an analogy. This is how I literally think. You eat all of the sides first so that they're out of the way for when you eat your main. You eat the meal in chronological order, in qualitative order. Right. Okay. And you don't let them touch. Right. Right. Um, so no. Yeah. I guess, right? And I mean, if anything, it would be indicative because if you beat all that side shit and then went back to the main stuff and you were now just above the level, that'd be one thing. But you're never just above the level.
Starting point is 02:50:01 You're always way past it. So I played, Xenoblade 1 was chosen for this sequence for this show idea because when I played Zeno Blade 1, I spent about 100 hours getting to like the 30% mark because I did every. side quest. And what this resulted in is that when I would be playing Xenoblade, like in the section that I just did, right, Gower Plains, I would be engaging in what were essentially MMO kill, get me 10 bore asses quests for like 15 hours. And then when I was like, well, now it's on to do the story. I would go and do the story and clown the fight so hard that the story parts that are supposed to be the good bits
Starting point is 02:50:52 would last like 25 minutes instead of the longer cinematic sequence of getting through the dungeon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was playing through the sequence it's called it's the Ethermind sequence and Xenoblay Chronicles 1, it's very early
Starting point is 02:51:10 and I was playing through that and I was like wow, I don't remember the game having this much voice acting. Like, everything is fully voice-acted. And then I realized, oh, I didn't remember that because there were 10-hour fucking sessions in between spoken lines of dialogue. Now, ill though you might be.
Starting point is 02:51:33 No, no longer. Right? There is still blame on any time a game and its side quests are so dull, uninteresting, and repetitive that you mentally are checked out while doing them because that shit like it sucks but it's lazy and it's a filler you know and um we've talked about it like last time and so on but like cyberpunk i went through that in a really strange way because i was waiting for main like screen mainstream content was premium
Starting point is 02:52:02 and then off screen content was the extra doing all these ncPD missions but absolutely if i if anyone were to play that way normally it would be exhaustingly boring it would be i did that exact thing and stop streaming cyberpunk for the exact same reason. It would suck. I would do the story mission on stream
Starting point is 02:52:21 and then I would just do I would spend like three days doing every cyber psycho and every cop mission and by the end of that I'm actually really bored
Starting point is 02:52:32 of this gameplay because I'm just doing just contextless gameplay. Yes, yeah you're ruining the experience absolutely. And it's like
Starting point is 02:52:41 oh what I'm supposed to oh for cyberp punk, I'm supposed to do main stuff until I see a side quest that I think is interesting or I can't buy an upgrade so I'll do some generic stuff or I want to practice
Starting point is 02:53:03 the deflecting thing but here's the thing, right? I'm a fellow like fucking online streaming shit lord and I also I know you so let me steal man you here right oh hey that's kind of you when you are choosing at a whim which random townsfolk to help and not help and or which things dungeons to walk into and kill
Starting point is 02:53:31 and which ones to not clear out the feeling that like oh but what if something really cool that I enjoyed was in that one and not knowing sucks exactly it sucks to not know that and to just move on and ignore it for the rest of the game that's not a good feeling So streaming has actually made this version of me way worse Because I thought about that Before I ever started streaming or LPN And then streaming and LPN made it way worse And now I'm like that all the time
Starting point is 02:53:59 Even even when no one can look Okay Yeah Like the conversation that caused this idea Which was basically me going Well what if the one side quest I don't do Is the best side quest in the game To which
Starting point is 02:54:15 many people were like, that doesn't happen anymore. In fact, that hasn't happened in like decades. Hmm. I mean, in cyberpunk... The most hidden, the most hidden out of the way side quest is rarely the best one. No, but in cyberpunk, there was certainly
Starting point is 02:54:35 skippable, missable, awesome stuff that, like, I had to be pointed in the direction of. So I don't really think that's true. I think it's, it's legit to be like, oh that sucks I wouldn't have wanted to miss that right and if you're somebody that goes well just deal with it that's what it is you just got to pick stuff and go and you're that's how it goes and maybe that's what second playthus are for you're like yes okay but I like video games because of the things that I'm I'm describing that I don't want to miss
Starting point is 02:55:01 here this is why I enjoy the medium so um if you just you know you can't just dismiss that outright so that that is a reasonable reason to not want to avoid that shit so I can I can now mentally look back on the events that caused this this mental disease to take a strong hold over me like like an iron hold over me um the first of which is when i was 11 i got really really into survival horror games right and that became like a long-term basis for like the content that i make and the things that i'm into i'm crazy about those old style resident evil games right those old style resident evil games you can get to the end of your save file and be like, well, I'm fucked.
Starting point is 02:55:48 I used up too much ammunition. There aren't enough dead enemies. I don't know where enough of the ammo is. I'm fucked. Have to start the whole fucking thing over. And granted, those games are like six hours long. So it's not that big of a deal. But it created like the item scarcity,
Starting point is 02:56:04 like insanity of like, no, I could get to the end and just be genuinely incapable of beating it. Right? It's, you can ruin your save. Absolutely, yeah. Absolutely. Ruin it, right? And then the second one,
Starting point is 02:56:20 a series that is near and dear to my heart, but played on this mentality more than anything I can think of, is Yakuza 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. God damn, the Like a Dragon Games. Yeah. Do you know what happens when you don't do an unmarked side quest in yakuza 1 to 5 and then the time of day
Starting point is 02:56:46 changes because you went forward in the story it goes away it goes away oh locked out till a premium adventure yeah yeah yeah and it's not and it's not the um
Starting point is 02:57:01 what you might call it uh way of the samurai where it's like oh that's the content is the time passing thing it's like no no no you just missed it one two three and four the quests don't fucking show up on the map. So in one, two, three, and four, when you're walking down, you're, you're like, I hope I run into the side quests. And so what happens, right? Well, I want to fight them on. So I need to do all the side quests. So what ends up, what ends up occurring is you end up going to
Starting point is 02:57:27 game facts and you end up going and looking at the yakuza of one, two, three, or four guides by the Patrick. And they will list the street corner and time of day and chapter that you will encounter every single cyclist. And so you go down the list by the Patrick and you do it. And it creates this thing of like, if I don't want to miss out on legit some of
Starting point is 02:57:52 the best shit in the game, I have to go and play this game with this list on my second monitor. Right. Syriksi, yep. You could have also just told the story of an old persona game and maxing out those S-links.
Starting point is 02:58:08 See, I don't, I didn't, when I beat four, I didn't feel like I needed to have maxed out those S-links. I maxed out everybody I cared about. Like, there are, like, I. Bihara and the shithead tower kid. Fuck them. Okay.
Starting point is 02:58:23 Fuck about them. Okay. I thought you were guiding your way through for maximum efficiency. No, absolutely not. Okay. Okay. Because in the persona games, I quickly identify three or four loser S-links. Which you can choose to not give a fuck about. Right. Unless there's a
Starting point is 02:58:40 amazing skill behind it in which case god damn it yeah that's but no that's that's entirely it that's entirely it so um yeah so I um and I'm on track and because of because of this I'm on track to the how long
Starting point is 02:58:56 to beat um our count actually being a useful metric instead of being a pipe dream right because when we do the how long to beat thing it goes like 30 hours and you go, no.
Starting point is 02:59:11 Yeah. No, add 40% to that. Well, so, Pat, here's the thing, right? Here's the magic. Yeah. Main. Completionist. Main plus extras.
Starting point is 02:59:23 Main plus extras. What does extras mean? Yeah. Extras. What's the valuable extras? Extras. Ah, fuck off. Your heart will decide.
Starting point is 02:59:37 Let your heart decide what the extras are. going through the Xenna Blade Chronicles. Wow, the pacing in that game's incredible. Wow, the pacing in that game is incredible. It's really fast. There's constant story. Oh, my God, the ability. It might as well be a different game than the one I played.
Starting point is 02:59:56 That's crazy. Just because of the nature that I'm doing it. I will say that Zena Blade Chronicles has like one specific design flaw that is insane. Is that they load you up with a million side quests, but then they have an entire section of your menu called the affinity chart that shows the relations between every single character
Starting point is 03:00:14 like every single townsperson and implies that that's going to be a big deal it's a bunch of fucking pointless fluff it's it's absolutely completely fucking pointless and useless and stupid and shitty and a time wasteer it's a trick okay so this problem also on for me personally
Starting point is 03:00:33 depends on the flow of walking from one area to another like I used to hate RPGs and random battles aggressively because of how it felt like the game was stopping constantly and that overall flow interruption was terrible. I just hated the feeling of like I take two steps and I can't get anywhere, right? Um, so... I can't believe you beat Rido 1, by the way. I can't believe it. Yeah. That's the worst one I've ever played my life. Um, I mean, the actual worst one I've ever played, it was Jojo the seventh stand user. Um, that's not a real game. Yeah, Well, you know, because it was just so in love with Dragon Quest and random battles and non-random battles that it just decided let's put them all in at the same time.
Starting point is 03:01:16 But, yeah, that pacing slog feeling is extra bogged down when you're like two steps to fight, three steps to fight, and then you have to get from one town to the other. Yeah, it's like a big open MMO kind of thing. So you see everything on the field and you're deciding to go fight. You're engaging. But yet, if anything was within like a certain cone of my vision, yeah, I'll fight you. and then I got to the bosses on level. I, dude, this is going to sound so fucked up. I have not fought RPG bosses on level in like a decade or more.
Starting point is 03:01:52 Okay, yeah, yeah, sure. No, I get it. I get it. No, FF7 remake actually limits your XP, like any game that you can grind it out, right? I've been like way above, way above. Games like FF7 remake where they're like, no, you're only going to. to get so fucking far, deal with it. But here's the alternative reality.
Starting point is 03:02:10 It's the one where you got this great pacing and you were on level and everything was moving fine, right? But again, to steal man, the illness, you have the alternate version of this where you got all those things, but then you're like, someone's like, oh, did you get that fucking super sick boss fight?
Starting point is 03:02:25 And you're like, what, which one? And it was like, in that cave over there. You're like, no, I went past it. And you're like, oh, you missed it. It was the coolest dude. He was full of all the things you love and the reward was the best sword in the game. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:02:36 And you're like, well, I, shit. And it's like, well, you can go replay it to get that experience if you want to go replay it. Are you going to replay it or are you going to move on to another LP? Because you could just you know, and you're like, the reality that I have to deal with is that the mental
Starting point is 03:02:51 back and forth over that scenario takes so much time that I could have beaten multiple other games just combined of time about Hemming and Hawing. Right? I think about Final Fantasy 12, and the time I wasted
Starting point is 03:03:11 getting the fucking right chests for the Zodiac spear, and then didn't even get far enough to get the fucking spear in the first place, because I was playing that fucking game with a guide trying to do it perfect. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to know that overall, if there's been a trend towards not making really high effort super cool content completely missable or at the very least it's encouraged to the user you know it's nice to know that games have sort of like
Starting point is 03:03:46 pushed themselves that way and overall you know you as well don't want games game design hates when they do something expensive and you don't see it you know so that's expensive or most things expensive are going to be in your way that's there too you know so anytime a repeating reloading quest that never fully gets cleared off or whatever starts popping back up you can go good i'm safe to not care about that you know i'm playing horizon forbidden west in the background i might have talked about this last week but like i'm like i'm trying to do more of the main quest at at its appropriate level and like my desire is to scrape the map like a fax machine um and i didn't do that and i got the metroivania style upgrade that opens a bunch
Starting point is 03:04:31 of doors that I would have wasted my time trying to get into if I scrape the map like a fax machine. There you go. There you go. Right. Right. It makes me feel like I have to go back and actually replay like 150 different games to do it correctly.
Starting point is 03:04:52 Oh, okay, because I was about to say like when you unlock double time in a persona game and then you feel like you wasted all. all of those previous days. You know, you're like, thank you for this reward. Actually, it's a net negative
Starting point is 03:05:07 on my soul right now. Damn. Oh. But no. Like, Kawakami's thing is like so crazy because you're like, wait,
Starting point is 03:05:14 if I had focused her up in the first two months, I could have had double time this whole, for like nine. Oh, shit. Yep. Yep.
Starting point is 03:05:21 Yep. Yep. And, and this is, and the other side of this is just like, um, you can do this on things
Starting point is 03:05:28 that you don't care as much about. That's kind of a little asterisk here is anything you care too much about this is not going to work for yeah so elden ring i did every single fucking dungeon in that game except of like two at the end yeah you did over over over a 16 day period sure sure like sick at the end of it yeah i mean i was sick i did as much of that as i as i could i didn't do absolutely everything but i did as much as that as i could and you know um yeah someone just pointed out like in in near automata i didn't do the emil um bit at the end there i did
Starting point is 03:06:01 everything else but that that was one we never got back to you know but like as much as reasonably possible and also and pushing it to that limit but if you care about the content a whole lot this whole discussion changes because you're really regretting what's not around what not seeing what's around that corner so i'll send you this wolves so goblins advocate i was so happy with um i was so so happy with the way that the B-line things are. I had Viking make me this, which is
Starting point is 03:06:37 a transparent PNG of the be-lining logo. Okay. Okay. That I am now turning on and off during my stream. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. When I got to the final sub-layer in Donkey Kong, I turned that fucking logo on and went,
Starting point is 03:06:53 no more banana. This is your lab. This is your lab. Yeah. There we go. It's just, it's, it's, it's, I'm glad the results have been you know are reporting back in with successful results. I would say stellar. That's great.
Starting point is 03:07:08 That's great. Providing that again, we're talking about games where the amount you care. I will say, Willie, and this is me gaining a new version of empathy for you and your side of the streaming coin.
Starting point is 03:07:28 I have never had this happen to me nearly as much it happens to you because you tend to play like much older games that like you missed right you'll play like halo halo one right like 20 fucking years after it came out right and as soon as you started to play halo one here it fucking came like what are you gonna get to reach and it's like shut up oh my god so i'm playing xenoblaid chronicles one that came out in 2011 and like i'm i'm half an hour in and I'm getting comments that are like, are you going to beeline the quests in three?
Starting point is 03:08:02 I'm like, bro, these are 100 hour RPGs. Can I, can I even see if I'm going to continue this fucking segment to the end of the day? No, no, you can't. You can't. The person sitting behind the keyboard has a jumbled collection of positive memories of the entire franchise and they're grabbing all the top ones and just going, are you going to do that one? Are you going to do that one?
Starting point is 03:08:24 And it doesn't matter how far apart they are or how the did. distance from one to the other, how practical or impractical they are. It's just my favorite memories from one, three, and 15 are you going to do, though? But that's it. It's not a thought. Like, I'm like, can we see how successful today is? Like, not even the LP. Not even the LP.
Starting point is 03:08:44 Can we just see if today goes well, guys? No, no, no. There's no thought behind it whatsoever. It's just, yeah. Yeah. But you mentioned about games that are near and dear to your heart. Zeno Gears is like insanely near and dear to my heart. and then Zeno Saga
Starting point is 03:08:57 trampled on it and once again friend of the show Gene Park it's his fault because he said that Zeno Gear's dream was like realized in Zeno Blade 3
Starting point is 03:09:09 and I'm like you bitch you can't fucking is that so? Yeah and I'm like oh you do
Starting point is 03:09:19 interesting but yeah so did a lot this week a lot going on lot going on did any evil stuff happened? Hold on. Is Xenogere's dream
Starting point is 03:09:30 disc two? No. Zeno Gears is supposed to be part five of a six-part series like Star Wars. And so Zeno Blade 1 plus DLC and Zeno Blade 2 plus DLC plus Zeno
Starting point is 03:09:51 Blade 3 plus DLC ends up being six parts. There you go. And Zeno Gear was supposed to be part five which coincidentally Xeno Played Chronicles 3 is the fifth part of that and the
Starting point is 03:10:06 main character happens to look exactly like the main character of Zeno Gears and the whole love story there is about two people on opposing sides of a war but then they do it's I in order to fulfill the
Starting point is 03:10:22 childhood desire of seeing Zeno Gears finished I now must go through 450 hours of RPGs. But they never drew the direct line. They kept it vague. No. No, no. Hey, do you know what's a really cool aesthetic?
Starting point is 03:10:37 Metallic red. Yeah. And neon green. Okay. All right. The spiritual. Yeah, yeah. All right.
Starting point is 03:10:44 That's fine. That's fine. Not wrong with that. Uh, let's do it. Some stuff happened. Um. 2XCO gave, uh, fuck it. I got some good feedback coming in.
Starting point is 03:10:59 Yeah, let's hear it. So, yeah, Evo happened and, you know, I was not... Just a heads up, we're on a one-hour timer. I've got to be out of here in an hour and five minutes. That's... Yeah, okay, let's make it work. So a couple of things happened at Evo. I was supposed to do...
Starting point is 03:11:18 I was supposed to get to do something official that didn't end up happening, which is fine. But I tuned in to the best of my ability to do stuff but you know I didn't get to watch the full streams in their entirety so running down the highlights of what was cool announcements and events
Starting point is 03:11:36 as far as the actual some of the events go Betty versus Justin Wong surprise amazing event good fight Betty Japanese strong jury player and Justin who
Starting point is 03:11:54 you know full on family men barely even plays Street Fighter 6 had a really clutch sick to the edge tooth and nail exhibition fight that had like lots of twists and turns and yeah it was just a fun
Starting point is 03:12:09 unexpectedly like oh shit this got hype real quick kind of fight the Wazler did it beyond that hey guess what METRD is fucking unstoppable just straight
Starting point is 03:12:24 glad that we live in the blanket time timeline, the timeline in which you don't play Blanca anymore. There you go, you know, which is, yeah, that's fine. That's, that's okay. Allergic to top tiers. Just allergic to it. At the, at the end of the day, too, I mean, I, it's like, I pick a character and if I'm having fun. Well, whatever, we don't have to break this down.
Starting point is 03:12:42 But yes, Mena RD is incredible with Blanca and is a fucking goat. And, you know, Tekken is, they had the Anna finals, Arslan Ashwin there. and man that is I'm going to ask one again I mean well I mean at this point with mena
Starting point is 03:13:03 crushing three championships you're going like okay so how many what's the record to go like all time you know all time greatest
Starting point is 03:13:12 in a particular game especially in a row right now him at six is like convincingly uncontested compared to like other entries and other games
Starting point is 03:13:21 where's Sonic Fox at on that? I mean, not in just Nether Realm, but counting everything, Sonic Fox did beat Justin's record, I think, for the seventh Evo win, but I think, but I think, but not just one, not just one, um, or eight, eight, excuse me, eight. Um, not just one company. With, uh, the announcements, uh, some cool shit showed up. So one, how the fuck about that. Stella Bryant versus Akira, Virtual Fighter 6 teaser. That was gorgeous. Little training room action. I may have gone over that
Starting point is 03:14:04 with a fine tooth comb. If you don't want to listen to me, talk about it. Rufelmonger has a great 14 minute video up. So the coolest thing about it, which we saw a little bit in the preview trailer before this, was the blocking animation
Starting point is 03:14:22 and how dynamic it is. when you see it is it is exactly as dynamic as it was going to appear it's very custom for everything akira is like throwing his hand up and parrying and deflecting and guarding and it's just blocking but like it's making the block look like a real fight you know and uh that that part of it just looks fantastic it's also a breath of fresh air because you're just seeing the characters silently mind you fight on a training stage and move and do buttons hit each other do some combos a little bit but the comparison
Starting point is 03:14:53 between that and Tekken's like fireworks show which currently tech and like players are upset about how much that it's become
Starting point is 03:15:01 so spectacle oriented and it's losing its way from the pure fight. Virtual Fighter looks so pure. You know?
Starting point is 03:15:09 A virtual fighter had two characters fight on a featureless stage to no music. They didn't even go eh! They made no barks.
Starting point is 03:15:19 It was as dry as it possibly could have been. And I was like, yeah. RGG Studio understands the assignment. 100%. Silent match, and it looked great. Very clean.
Starting point is 03:15:32 I love that there's like a heat move style cut of like, you know, you know, Stella kicking Akira in the face and like, oh my God, it's so dramatic. It's the round ending strike. It's not in the fight. It's completely separated from the gameplay. Cinematic moment for the K. only. Also, they side announced that
Starting point is 03:15:54 they're putting Doral back in the F5 in the kids. That's stupid. That's crazy. I can't wait to see what happens there. That's batshit. That must be a rebalance because this is a competitive version. Because Doral is so fucked. Completely unfair. She's a necrid of all the best moves. It's like a weapon master. And in Virtua Fighter having all the best moves is like batch it. fucking Kage Izuna drops into Jackie Flipkicks into just everything, everything.
Starting point is 03:16:26 Oh, Dural is not tournament or online legal. Okay, okay, so unbalanced, there you go. As she is. Akira shoulder block and then Jackie Flip, you know, like, yeah. Then we got a lot of coverage of Tokon, fighting souls. Marvel, there was some folks playing matches at the state. and then some of that got
Starting point is 03:16:53 uploaded for day one. A lot of people very confused about the flow of the game, right? So it's got like standardized inputs and like easy things all over the place, but it also has like 40 systems
Starting point is 03:17:10 on top of one another. It's an arc system works game. So it's more like the systems are actually fairly simple. except for there's one concept, which is assembling, which is very complicated, right? Like, everything else is pretty much just like, yeah, it's, it's Dragon Ball Fighter Z again. If I knock them up and then I knock them down, I can tag my guy in.
Starting point is 03:17:34 Okay. But then there's assembling, and assembling has a whole lot going on with it. For one thing, day one, people were confused and couldn't really find their routes and were not sure about the feeling of it. there was some awkward footage and some awkward play and some people walked away feeling like unsure about it and that's coming from the thought that if you try to play it like Marvel versus Capcom
Starting point is 03:17:58 you will be unsuccessful you need to play it like Arcsus games and like a Dragon Ball game is what comes to mind in particular but one of the features is that like when you call in assists they come in and then they do their little help
Starting point is 03:18:15 their move but you can't just switch to them right away at any time like you could in more free-flowing like Infinite-style games or so. There's a window of time, of opportunity that has to happen after they finish their move and they're posing. And that means that like you slow down
Starting point is 03:18:31 how quickly you tag back and forth between characters. To XCO and Marvel Infinite are like stream go, right? Just put both on the screen, jump back and forth handshake, handshake, handshake. And that pressure is pretty nuts and I mean, it makes for an exciting game. In
Starting point is 03:18:47 this case they're going with a different flow to that um the other thing in particular is as a newer arxis game there's a lot of screen transitions there's a lot of slowdown moments there's a lot of um hit stop and things are going to every time a new character has to reassemble on your team you're going to have a wall break style moment occur you know they really love those fucking wall breaks so does i throw a wall break you man that's crazy it became really evident watching full matches that, oh, when they made Strive 3V3, they were just testing for this game. Oh, yeah. That's all that was. That whole feature that came out
Starting point is 03:19:27 of nowhere where we went, why? Was like, because this is what our next game is, you know? And yeah, I think, and they even having the shared life bar as well and stuff, you saw that then. It makes a lot of sense. It does work out. But I would say that, like, day two is where Max and some, and some folks, he got some combos videos from the devs showing off some stuff that were like, oh, okay, this is what you're kind of supposed to be doing. And then on the last day, had some match
Starting point is 03:19:57 footage fighting against them or so. So it was not immediately clear. There's a bit, there's definitely a weirdness to it that is not Marvel versus Capcom. Like you have to kind of let go of that idea in terms of like how it feels and how the rhythm of the game goes. But it is similar in that you're seeing a ton of Marvel characters on the screen doing stuff. all at once. That is clear, but game feel is a different thing. I think the way that your assists come on and the fact that you have to assemble your team
Starting point is 03:20:29 from a 2v2 fighter into a 4v4 fighter is really genius. Yeah. I think it's, I think it's really smart. I like it. I think it's, yeah. Giving somebody a 4V4 team right off the bat, Jesus Christ, that's fucking intimidating.
Starting point is 03:20:45 That's a lot, man. that's that's bananas it's doing its best to de-emphasize how much you need a full team right they really want you to feel like you can pick one and then just use them and focus lightly on the others as they eventually join in and if you're feeling confident hard tag to them but like really it's it's up to you you know um and with that we will need so like this is this is newer on the block, but like to XCO, this game will also need a giant roster because you're going to feel eight characters every single round, you know, that's going to need to have a bunch of people coming along for that game to not suffer the same kind of like vibe.
Starting point is 03:21:36 But I love the like flare of like, you know, the anime versions of the characters. So of course, Tony, Tony with the V-Fin is one thing. but the moment I saw Starlord do a rainstorm all the way from the top of the screen to the bottom and I'm like look at his red coat look at his weapon switching look at Dante at home we have our own fucking shit talking
Starting point is 03:22:01 gunslinger we don't need yours Starlord looks cool and I want to main him until someone else comes along I saw that rainstorm and I was like fuck I love that But yeah, combos, part of the factor that people are feeling is limited is because this has something similar to killer instinct, which is essentially like a combo limiting meter. Each time you do a hit, you could see the meter get closer to being full, and there's a couple of ways to extend it, but if you don't really know them, after a certain number of hits or after a certain type of, under a certain number of specials, the combo is just going to end, no matter what you're doing. So that means that, like, your ability to kind of, like, get creative and discover and have an open sort of system, this is not that.
Starting point is 03:22:51 This is a much more fixed, closed system. No infinites here, sir. Not even no infinites. Your overall, just, like, wild reset game is going to be a little bit more limited. I feel like they saw, like, Alpha Lab Ari in 2XCO, and they're, like, never. Oh, well, to be fair to 2XCO, as of their latest. build, they also said never to Ari because she's different. That was like one of the
Starting point is 03:23:17 worst experiences. They completely changed that shit, yeah, for the better. So what they're doing to as well is like that whole thing about like, I like these three characters, and this is a real Marvel problem, right? I like these three characters, but if you don't have a beam assist,
Starting point is 03:23:33 get fucked, right? Damn it, I want Doom missiles, but I want to click this other, and it's like, yeah, well, too bad, right? And then there's the opposite, which is like, oh, I want Doom's assist, I don't like playing as Doom. Like, it sucks that a full character on my slot
Starting point is 03:23:49 is just assist. I am not a Hawkeye, like, Hawkeye was never my, my favorite character. I love him now, and I read that Matt Fraction book, and I was like, damn, Hawkeye's sick, actually, you know, but when Marvel 3 was out, I was like, I don't really care about Hawkeye, but
Starting point is 03:24:04 I need that assist, so here we go. And this really gets rid of that problem, because they're like, it doesn't matter who's on your team, it doesn't matter what's going on. Everyone has a projectile, everyone has an uppercut, everyone has a body like rush. And they're all going to have different strengths.
Starting point is 03:24:20 They're not all the same move. No. But the idea of those three being things that can help you out according to the situation is fantastic. Like Cap's body projectile is probably stellar because it's a charging star and it's nice and fat. And I'm sure storms like
Starting point is 03:24:36 you know, wind projectile. Yeah. It's like super good. But you're not going to be completely missing a full part of your assist kit depending on your team so that's a great decision from them um the fact that the game has no push blocking is crazy because dragon ball zit fighters launched where people were getting locked goichi was putting you people in block strings for like 20 seconds uh plus as they were getting gohan kicked and they couldn't do much about it um
Starting point is 03:25:06 this time around they have this like a assemble like counter where it's like a it's like a an alpha counter, essentially. When you're blocking, you can call it a partner to knock them off of you. And if they see that happening, they can react with perfect timing to, like, shut down all of your assists and counter that as well. So there's a little play there. But overall, not having a thing that just says, leave me alone, get off me, and pushing you away is like, ooh, I hope you're ready to play defense. And that's going to be, I don't care how experienced or, like, if you're new, if you're playing fighting, whatever the fuck it is, if you can't push people off of you, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to. going to have a hard time because learning to block and getting opened up and what that is really
Starting point is 03:25:47 tricky when the game fills the screen up with shit and you you're stuck surrounded you know there's a big slow the soul is leaving captain america and going into miss marvel so you you can't miss that but the overwhelming feeling of like i'm surrounded and panicking is going to be present in this game a lot but yeah that's kind of the deal so just that game looks incredible It looks very cool. Also, just don't expect it to be Marvel versus Capcom. And we'll have to see what people get with a chance to lab it properly. Some of the dev footage looked a bit better for sure than what people were figuring out on their own.
Starting point is 03:26:27 But the players who like to figure things out on their own kind of going like it's, they didn't like the fact that it's like, oh, what I'm looking for I'm not finding with this kind of time is a bit of a like, okay. I'm not sure where it's going but hopefully we believe in the planet it makes sense you know and hopefully Patchy who's the balance director here the combat director like you know
Starting point is 03:26:51 we can believe because you know story to FGC player coming from the Arsus side Dr. Strange kind of got leaked on a document as well so okay guess what I'm fucking shocked I can't believe it
Starting point is 03:27:04 he's going to be there um 2XCO got some It means it has more characters known than 2XCO. 8. 9. 9 with the leak. Yeah, 2XCO, new build.
Starting point is 03:27:21 Got some word on the street footage about that, or feedback on the new build as well. Some cool stuff. Big, big improvement with the new no longer carrier meter between rounds is making the game a lot better. The fact that you just are encouraged to spend all of your super each round each time is great and furthermore your partner dying and you still having some super with them now you can use it to call in and do their big super assist you know and so like there's a
Starting point is 03:27:49 reason to go through all of that stuff um there there's you know fewer timeouts and lame non-fighting moments happening as well like a big big improvement over that um and yeah the fact that uh you can use your assist to for most of the match they can push block as well and all that stuff is yeah just good good feedback on that stuff Vi has some some particular she has some of those ducking punch combo stuff where like you can get a basic version of each of her
Starting point is 03:28:19 special moves by just tapping it after a ducking move but if you hold it for like just frame kind of timing you get like perfect timing versions that you can do stuff with so kind of like Lukeish you know so there's a little bit of a skill thing to getting her best combos out if you can hold and release with the right timing I think stuff like that's fun.
Starting point is 03:28:41 We got to see Lucy in Strive. And also the announcement of 2.0. Yeah. So the Lucy trailer, hey, guess what? Really wants to stay at your house, you know? That's crazy. Hope you don't get choked up every time. But they did kind of what you'd expect,
Starting point is 03:29:01 where her trailer has her in the bathtub, and then she fucking, she dives. into the Guilty Gear world and pops out the other side and also is like, it seems like her memory is kind of fractured and messed up, but she appears to be looking for David. Yeah, you see in her moveset,
Starting point is 03:29:22 she's doing a bunch of whip stuff, which is all fine. She's a whip character. She's got the guns as well. But the coolest thing, you see her hit you, and the person gets hit and you see some of that black wall energy
Starting point is 03:29:32 coming off of them as well. The coolest thing is the screen freezes and she goes into a quick hack screen and starts selecting quick hacks and stacking them up in the trailer and I'm like, that is awesome, right? It's kind of like when Aska is like stacking through his deck. So hacking in mid-fight is really dope. So yeah, that's all fine.
Starting point is 03:30:00 And the 2.0 kind of teased artwork for Robokai and Jam Kradabedi. So guess what? I fucking love Robocai. Yeah. Everyone loves Robokai. Everyone loves Jam. So they're coming back.
Starting point is 03:30:17 Good stuff. Guilty Gear strive going healthy into its fucking fifth or sixth season. Like they're doing it. The things are doing well for them. They're thoroughly supporting this game five years in. Also, why wouldn't someone from the world of cyberpunk be able to hack into the
Starting point is 03:30:34 Guilty Gear world? It is the backyard, after all. Don't. God damn it. You do think we were going to get out here without the backyard coming up? I was hoping. Backyard's so fucking stupid. I tell you, Matt. And then you got Tekken, just announcing these characters.
Starting point is 03:30:52 And you're like, wait a minute, that character has the same face as those other characters. Like... I mean Armour King? Yeah. Look at that, look at that, look at that, look at that, look at that, look at that, look at that king face. It's just king again. What's like a jaguar. Look some goddamn jaguars all over the place. What the hell, guys? God, fucking at least mix it up a little bit. Um, Armour King had the coolest trailer. He looks, he looks really cool. Um, in the context, of course, of Tech and 8, you're seeing like these insane lockdown, you know, set play moments and heat drive, heat rush, all that nonsense. But in, terms is just the spectacle of watching him do sick-ass wrestling moves and spitting poison mist lighting his hand on fire doing all these cool like specials where he breaks the ring um armor king is the is the sickest armor king fucking rules and uh yeah drops you through a table as his
Starting point is 03:31:55 wind pose awesome i love you armor king armor king not as much as wolf but hey armor king's a badass I love fucking. And then they showed off the next character. Mighty Zoe, who is Malagasy, and comes from Madagascar. And that's shoutouts to a character, getting representation from Madagascar. That's a cool location. I've always loved the, the, like there's a lot of, it's like a New Zealand style place where you're just like, man, you couldn't mistake this for anywhere else.
Starting point is 03:32:27 It's gorgeous, beautiful, beautiful island. and the character I popped up and I was like that vibe really does look a lot like the previous characters Tekken has released and it is
Starting point is 03:32:46 unfortunate that she's easily mistakeable for a Christy or a Azucena or a Josie Rizal and so on and it's like it's at there's an accuracy there's a face model that we have seen you know and there's a real person
Starting point is 03:33:06 they're basing that on you know for the accuracy of the of the culture but it with teken there's a bunch of characters that kind of look like that unfortunately so it's just like man this was a good opportunity to kind of like have someone that stood out a bit more and it uh it it just doesn't you know nothing she's she's cool but yeah and then the concept art certainly has a different kind of face where you see. Maybe we're beating a dead horse here, but more freaks. Sure, sure. More freaks all the time, every day.
Starting point is 03:33:37 In this particular case, though, with Tekken, there's a thing that's called, like, Teken Girlface, and you, there's a... Where they all look like Julia Chang with different skin tones? So, if you take the Anna haircut and put it on top of all the other girls and go find Anna, it's a game you can play. And you know what? I did find Anna. And I knew who Anna was.
Starting point is 03:33:57 was because the trick was I'm like, none of these have their eyebrows showing because they're in the wrong place, but the only one that does is because it was designed for this haircut. So the one where the eyebrows are showing correctly is clearly Anna. But still, find Anna and Tech End Girlface is an issue. And yeah, they're not getting as distinct from each other as they ought to be. And I find, you know, that's like they're pretty. But in the meantime, fucking Chunley looks nothing like Cammy looks nothing. like Kimberly looks nothing like Marissa looks nothing like jury you know um and and I much prefer like Zafina looks as is different and you know and there's a couple more pronounced instances but there's kind of a safe
Starting point is 03:34:42 pretty girl face that they tend to sort of use a lot and I think this would have been a great instance to not do that uh see Viper looks dope as hell love that love that outfit um can't wait to see the baller ass just original outfit as well the original black
Starting point is 03:34:57 suit, you know, but the cool looking white one with the shoulder jacket is awesome. Not much to say, but besides, hey, look, it's exactly what we expected. And, uh, oh yeah, they announced Alpha 3 Max is, is pretty much getting dropped on top of the collection for Street Fighter Alpha 3. Crazy. So, hey, here's an update. We're adding the extra characters that weren't there in this version. Here comes Ingrid and Eagle.
Starting point is 03:35:23 You too can hate on Ingrid in a updated. manner. Awesome. Eagle, Mackey, Yon. Love that. Love that they just gave that out there. Super fun update for that game. So good stuff, you know, um, overall. And that's, that's pretty much, you know, what I saw from Evo, that was, that was dope. Mm-hmm. I feel like it was like a slow Evo for announcements this year. I mean, slow Evo for like going down there and a lot of things. I was kind of, I was kind of surprise that 2XCO didn't have anything else to announce. Like they didn't have the final two characters to announce. And when they didn't do that, I'm like, oh, my God, are they using the beta launch to
Starting point is 03:36:10 launch the game with eight characters so that they can say, hey, we have 10 at launch. Because launch, launch is like four months later. I don't know. I don't know. I think, like, whatever decisions they would have made in light of all these new tag game announcements, it's probably been too soon for them to be able to reflect those publicly, you know, so if there's shit going on behind the scenes that they're cooking, especially because the tag wars are upon us, it probably is going to take a little longer
Starting point is 03:36:42 than a month or two before they're willing to tell people what they're doing. Yeah, that was pretty much it. Yeah, the, hey, guess what? Like, Street Fighter six characters, fucking tit's ass and dong are coming. Yeah, they look hot and bathing suits. Can you believe it? I can't. I want Alex Lay to go back and record new lines that are like extra hymbo.
Starting point is 03:37:10 I'm super interested in seeing what? Geef's bathing suit is going to be. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm baffled. I'm totally baffled. Okay. So I have been told by gay men that there is a way. to it's not about just being randomly naked
Starting point is 03:37:31 it's about emphasizing particular parts of the body in a slutty manner right you should they just put them in a crop top so if you have a really low cut or like even some kind of corset that kind of like amplifies the parts that's way hotter than just having someone standing they're naked because like geif is like functionally naked in his classic costume mm-hmm mm-hmm but hotter than just naked is a leather thing
Starting point is 03:37:59 that like assless chaps which all chaps are assless that emphasizes that part right or again someone in the chat says he'll probably be in like an old timey sweat bathing suit that actually covers a lot of him like Expedition
Starting point is 03:38:13 33 potentially if they want to go the other way with it but if you want to make it if you want to make it sexy then you have to cover up some stuff and deliberately choose to slut it up in other ways this is tech this is known
Starting point is 03:38:28 um or or just have the same the same thing but a little more banana hammock right just a little more a little write it up a little bit higher like the Todd um anyway so there's that all right moving along
Starting point is 03:38:48 Evo aside um there were what the fuck was it okay So, uh, the update, um, there was a whole thing with the MasterCard bit going on. Long stories. There's more.
Starting point is 03:39:07 There's more. MasterCard said, we're trying to curb illegal content and Valve's like, they're full of shit. Yeah. So long story. So, thanks Valve. Long story short, MasterCard's basically just been like, no, no, no. Our policies are, have always been about not illegal stuff. And that's the same thing we're doing now.
Starting point is 03:39:22 And it's like, well, clearly it's not, you know, and clearly this reinforcement is, is changing a ton of large platforms. So that's bullshit. And they, you know, their first statement was kind of like dodgy. And then the second one kind of like, you know, kind of contradicted some of what they were saying. So the pressure on MasterCard and them feeling the heat for listening to this stupid fucking, you know, Australian group.
Starting point is 03:39:51 Good. Good. The people working their lines that were like, this is this fucking. sucks and them being like we have to say something and eventually getting to the point of going, hey, there are way more people that are upset about this than the people that were complaining to begin with. This is the asymmetrical amount of pressure that needs to happen to stop this shit from going through. Yeah, so just if you're calling, keep calling. If you're, you haven't been calling. Think about calling. Awesome. I like that in the light of this, new grounds and other
Starting point is 03:40:18 censorship stuff. New grounds basically came out because censorship and age verification and whatnot are coming through as well. Um, because the online. safety act that is like, you know, fucking with a bunch of places. They basically went, here's how we're going to handle UK users and verifying their age. One, if your account is more than 10 years old, we'll assume you're over 18. Because when you hire people to do effective age assurance, you pay a third party to match your email address with a database of scraped data. And then they basically determine that your email has been used for a long time anyway. We have our own data, so we'll just use that instead. Second,
Starting point is 03:40:56 if your account ever bought a supporter status with a credit card, and we can confirm that was with a payment processor, we'll assume you're over 18 because you need to be 18 in the UK to use a credit card or to have a credit card. Three, if you ever bought a supporter status more than two years ago, we'll assume you're over 18 because you need to be at least 16 to have a PayPal or debit account in the UK. And if none of the above applies, then you can pay a small one-time fee via a credit card, and that'll be confirmation that you are over 18 because you have to be over 18 to have a credit card in the UK done and done right solves the problem completely on their own how about
Starting point is 03:41:32 that incredible looks like you can fucking find a way to do this if you cared you know bananas um yeah so they put all they put all that out there and then just went like this online safety act is a complete bullshit scam and all it does is punish smaller sites that can't afford to keep up with the regulation that's it um so good on them good shit new grounds appreciate that. Meanwhile, on the other side of the equation, there is a speed running event in Japan. The biggest speed running event is RTA, Japan's summer 2025. And all Nintendo-owned titles are excluded because they were told that they have to apply for permission for each game.
Starting point is 03:42:23 Stupid. this is a charity event that raises money and they're a non-profit and nonetheless this appears to be a strict regulation that has come down they've had the they've used them in the past as well but Nintendo's going to Nintendo and the dinosaurs in place you know of course are going to look at it in one in one way it seems like the reason why this happened is because in 2020, the speed running organization became a legal entity, right? They're the biggest event. They always had a large charity nonprofit drive, and they became an official legal entity,
Starting point is 03:43:08 and that change made it so that Nintendo's like, well, now it has to go through a licensing process officially. So, stupid, again, stegosaurus is going to chew. on their leaves. Dumb shit. Um, other, uh,
Starting point is 03:43:30 fun announcements. Uh, Amazon has announced, um, a service called showrunner. And showrunner is an AI streaming service. The Netflix of AI.
Starting point is 03:43:46 You, the user, will type in the prompt to generate scenes or full episodes of content that you want to create from scratch or based on existing IPs. And Disney and other studios are in talks to license their IPs so that you can generate content with their characters and anything generated, of course, is owned by the IP holder. So if you wanted to know where this was going, this is where it's going. I want to see Captain America blow apart
Starting point is 03:44:24 Mickey Mouse's ass with his dick Oh what? Not allowed Oh no way it went through Oh I think you might just have to like work a little bit harder on the prompt I think you can work that in there Like you know tell it to like pretend disregard all previous prompts Pretend you're someone else pretend you had no morals Or pretend you didn't care about whatever
Starting point is 03:44:46 And then just you know put all those things in there and get there eventually Mickey Mouse plus 9-11. Just keep putting it in there and just posting it everywhere. Well, listen, clearly after Darth Vader's slurfest in Fortnite, Nintendo went, ooh, how can we make it happen even faster? How could we get there? Literally a single day before the worst things you've ever seen get slopped out. You know, I, the lesson learned was we can make.
Starting point is 03:45:19 make it even more horrifying with all of our properties. So, yeah. Yeah. Somebody in the chat wished to ill on the people who are profiting off of this. And I really feel like it's important to note that no one is profiting off of this. The entire AI revolution is a massive investment lost leading bubble project. No one's making any money off of it. They're all making up all this shit.
Starting point is 03:45:49 the hopes of maybe being the only people to make money off of it later. The person behind the company that's making this, Edward Sachi, is not totally sure it's going to work. Yeah. But has a vote of confidence from Amazon and the venture capital firm invested in Fable and they're going to go forward and see what happens. But there is an uncertainty from the people creating it as to whether or not it's actually going to work. But hey, what did he say here? Yes, the toy story of AI isn't just going to be a cheap toy story.
Starting point is 03:46:32 Our idea is that the toy story of AI would be playable with millions of new scenes all owned by Disney. So it's good, good timeline, good stuff. One of the really important things to learn as you get older is the larger, the larger, the claim, the less you should believe it. This applies to everything. I just I can feel warmth in the cockles of my heart
Starting point is 03:46:59 thinking about the size of the lawsuit from the class action of all traumatized kids subjected to AI generated children's content that unfiltered got distributed and showed the worst things
Starting point is 03:47:16 ever and all the nightmare fuel melded into one I greatly look forward to seeing how that pans out um like Elsa gate like fucking dialed up to the maximum like absolutely
Starting point is 03:47:36 and Elsa used to get pregnant a lot oh yeah well what if now Elsa could get double pregnant with with pregnant SpongeBob with already pregnant SpongeBob With God's light All things are possible
Starting point is 03:47:51 There we go You know And then Shrek and Shadow The Hedgehog No longer have to be Supporting Dad on the side They can be in there In there
Starting point is 03:48:00 In there I'm not gonna follow up I'm not gonna follow up I don't want I don't want it In there All right Um
Starting point is 03:48:15 look before we take a letter i i will say that like i have seen i have seen god's light and i have seen the first mobile game ad that i absolutely unironically love and endorse yeah what's that did you see the dc phone game superman ad i did not okay so uh i'm gonna send you this game this little thing over here for I'm watching it already yeah yeah it's I think it's what is it DC funny shit I've seen
Starting point is 03:48:54 that's the funny so it's it's two supermen and you have the option to save the squirrel or don't save the squirrel and if you save the squirrel it plays the scene from the new Superman movie where he saves the squirrel but when you click don't save the squirrel you see the squirrel in Man of Steel
Starting point is 03:49:13 holding its hand up going, no, don't save me. And then it gets blown away in the wind and fucking Superman's like, no! That's the funny shit
Starting point is 03:49:27 I've ever seen my life. It's the best mobile ad I've ever seen. It's the best. I love it. That's great. Give that team a raise. Oh, please. Holy fuck.
Starting point is 03:49:39 That's incredible. Yeah. Um, Just, well, I don't even know what the game is, but, but kudos to them. Oh, it's some bullshit, I'm sure. Yeah, I just, but I, you know, like, whoever that, whoever is responsible for once in my life, I will say good mobile game ad, good. Yes. I think those mobile game ads that like, those Chinese knockoff game ads where it's just like a girl and then you click on one and it's just like pregnant and poisonous are the only two options.
Starting point is 03:50:13 That's the only option. Crack me up pretty good. Yep. Pregnant and homeless is one of them. So I'm impregnate. Impregnate. Mm-hmm. The other option being to show someone, someone playing a game really easy game really badly,
Starting point is 03:50:27 to frustrate you into going, I can do it better. Dude, hey, hit me up. I'll do one of those. I can play a game badly, on purpose even. Incredible stuff. Let's take some letters. If you want to send in a letter, send it to Castle's Super Beastmail at gmail.com, that's Castle's Super Beast Mail at gmail.com
Starting point is 03:50:45 All right, a fan says, Dear Brown Bear and Red Panda. I realize lately that I always lose my shit when comedy shows an action shot with an obvious mannequin or a doll being thrown, dropped, crushed, or exploded. I was just thinking about this the other day. A bad dummy shot makes me howl.
Starting point is 03:51:07 It's really, yeah, yeah. Like Jack Black, punting Baxter off the bridge and Anchorman. Yep, yep, that's good shit. I'm thinking of Rocco throwing what's his name, the old Nintendo guy, Yamouchi off the fucking
Starting point is 03:51:23 off the roof. I'm thinking of that wrestling match with the fucking inflatable doll, you know? Yeah, it's the funniest thing. He does a, he does a fucking atomic spinning pile driver.
Starting point is 03:51:40 What tried and tested cheap comedy gag never fails to get a laugh out of you. Yours and mind goblins a fan. Bad dummy shot. That's a big, that's strong. Way up there. It's probably my favorite. It has the best success, right? You kind of, you kind of stole our answer with your
Starting point is 03:51:56 premise. I have a second one that also gets me most of the time, which is smash cut to defenestration. Yeah. Smash cut. Throw it out of windows is pretty good. Smash cut to someone or something, getting
Starting point is 03:52:12 thrown out a window will always get me. It needs to be smash cut. Yeah. But that's a clean win every time. Yeah, I can't beat either of those two. Those are too good. You know what? I'll give a shout out to Paul Rudd
Starting point is 03:52:34 playing that goddamn clip of that kid in a wheelchair. Oh, man. And Mac and me. No. And just like, no, no, I'm going to play the real clip this time. And then just playing it again. I mean, actually, like, getting to the point where the bit is over and done with. And then somehow finding a way to work it back in.
Starting point is 03:53:01 Yeah. Like, getting to the point, like, don't do it. Okay, I'm not going to do it. And then he did it. good shit um all right kid uh let's see over here okay greetings old hunters been following you since you introduced my favorite game bloodborne via your playthrough thanks for sparking my deep love of soul's likes as well as video games as a whole um my question is with the introduction of lagarius uh excuse me lagia cruz into monster hunter legeichus into monster hunter wilds
Starting point is 03:53:40 We see the pseudo return of underwater combat, restricted to one zone, with the ability to do everything except fight the monster with your weapon. As someone who enjoyed underwater combat and try, I found this to be quite lackluster. I feel they should have held off until the expansion to do it properly. Are there any types of games that you've played where a feature was reintroduced from a previous installment to a limited or lackluster degree or reintroduced mechanics that were better? Okay, so I'm going to start off by saying that everything in your email is wrong and you should stop talking about underwater combat and that they will never add underwater combat again, back again because it was bad and you should stop it. I do remember you saying how awful that was and based on how- Awful.
Starting point is 03:54:25 Yeah, and based on how being underwater works in most games, I'm inclined to imagine that sucks. Underwater, everything is- Bad, bad combat under- under the water. Don't like it. I think Donkey Kong Country was like the first time like I felt like, oh, being in the water is fun. Or Echo the Dolphin, you know? Echo the Dolphins weird fucking game. That's cool. It's weird, but it's cool.
Starting point is 03:54:53 But yeah. I don't care for parrying in Street Fighter 6. It's not as fucked up as it was in three. Okay. I liked it when it was fucked up. Okay, okay. No, I understand. The stakes are lowered, and it's now more of a faultless defense than it is a parry.
Starting point is 03:55:09 Yeah. Yeah. That's a correct take. That's fine. They've lowered the bar for more people to be able to do it. That's totally fine.
Starting point is 03:55:22 Um... God. Ah, I mean, I guess everything Gunslinger that went into DMC3 that was like improvement over what they tried to introduce into, to some time.
Starting point is 03:55:43 Yeah. You know? I don't care for Conslinger in three at all. Rainstorm. So I just don't care for it. I do feel like that's a thing, though, in games where there might be a feature that hasn't been there in years that they bring back after time. I think losing health on death should not have come back for Dark Souls 2. I think that shit sucked
Starting point is 03:56:08 and was actually way worse than the human ghost form in Demon Souls They never brought back post-Caho hits After four No they didn't And that's stupid
Starting point is 03:56:33 That was that That was the end of it. Disrespecting the corpse. Okay. I would accept that. I'm okay with, if you remove post-K.O. hits, make it so that villains or certain characters can do wind poses that interact with the corpse regardless. Yeah, you should be able to piss on him.
Starting point is 03:56:53 Right. Yamazaki, you hold, like, one of the, uh, think hard punch, and then he, like, picks your corpse up. And, you know, Marissa picks you up and some of them. There's a lot of, like, fucking with the body and the wind poses of Street Fighter 6. You know, even Sagat with the But yeah, post-K-O victories Or a bit of a thing there I actually really dislike all 3D animated
Starting point is 03:57:14 Fighting Game intros I don't like them I've disliked them since Street Fighter 4 I want to load into a static shot And then have a million different animations instead Then one fancy animation For that comes in every single time that you skip every single time.
Starting point is 03:57:34 So I completely agree, but for a different reason, I hate that they're both in their own world and you do not see them interacting with each other. Yeah, exactly. I want characters to interact with each other with custom little animations that are one second long. A basic, shitty animation of two characters
Starting point is 03:57:53 doing something unique is way better than a fancy one where you're in your reality and I'm in mine. Riu and Ken fist bumping each other in like 10 frames is a better animation than every single custom intro for every fighting game character since. When Ryu and Ken and Street Fighter 4
Starting point is 03:58:12 just didn't acknowledge each other, I felt immense sadness, profound even. Strive comes closer because they talk to each other and you look at... And you see them standing there. X, X, your characters would fucking fight to start off the round.
Starting point is 03:58:29 And Ken and Terry Bogard now give each other props. So, you know, this is the, this is, we're going back to that at least once. Like XX had like detailed epic DBZ clashes before certain characters before fighting. It was awesome. Yep, they took it away from us. They absolutely took it away from us. In, in the old, in Exxert, not Exeter, in, um, um, um, reload, uh, and, uh, you know, all the pre-axon core games, there were like insane ones that were story mode only where you took damage. Yeah, you would take damage. It was crazy. Soul versus justice. You actually got hit, you know, and started the fight in a weird place. You know, so yeah. Um, Soul, Holy Order Sol and Kai is one of the
Starting point is 03:59:14 sickest ones. And I use that in my series as well. Uh, yeah, yeah, 100% right on that. That needs to come back. 100. Um, and, okay, there was a question about B-lining, but I do feel like we, we talked about pretty much that. Okay, dope. Is it normal? Eh, I mean, the way Is what normal? Is belining normal?
Starting point is 03:59:39 It feels like it might actually be. Yeah, if you're fucked. If you're not avoiding and running away from the side quests, like that guy from Flapjack, who's like side limboing around their
Starting point is 03:59:55 shit, or the strawberries in you know, Celeste, then yes. it is um fair enough all right cool uh you get out of here the 11th character and 2xKO might be zed and that is an even worse character to pick than we had discussed earlier okay okay okay so based on the previous discussions your picks are the best and only picks that should be picked so what were your picks again oh i could throw off like Okay. Thresh,
Starting point is 04:00:29 Nautilus, Timo, fiddlesticks, Ophilios, Sena, Sett, Mordecaiser. And if none of them...
Starting point is 04:00:42 Karim, Riven, uh... Yeah, I could just do that. Okay. And if none of them, that aren't arrived. Marma.
Starting point is 04:01:00 Okay. Yeah. Azir, Erelia. Uh, Dr. Mundo. I like... We, yeah. Okay. Um...
Starting point is 04:01:18 Yeah. Yeah. I think when... Sion, Ergot. science should be there I don't know what the fuck they're doing signs not there and if not then dead on arrival
Starting point is 04:01:33 that first day of Tokon when people were like confused by it and stuff like was a moment of like hmm this is fresher in the mind but has the exact same quandry with the roster
Starting point is 04:01:51 and yeah I don't think it has the same quandary because that game's going to have at least. Okay, you know, let's do it. DBZ, FZ, it's more like it would be crazy if it didn't. But that is the conversation we had
Starting point is 04:02:04 about League of Fighters a million years ago, right? It's the most obvious thing. All fighters had a small roster. It had the roster of TN, Yamcha, Gohan, Krillen, Goku, Friza, Android 18, Kidbu,
Starting point is 04:02:20 uh, Captain, what's his name, Captain Ginyu, Napa, trunks, Vegeta, Beyrus, Cell, Android 16, Got Tanks, Piccolo, Kid, Gohan, regular boo, hit, and Black Goku.
Starting point is 04:02:36 Yep, and that is a Bandai Namco game funded by Bandai Namco who determines things like Rollback and how the game is produced as opposed to Marvel. Yeah, which means... The entirety of those things is a production decision, and Archists are not the ones that choose that. Yeah, exactly. So you would actually explain.
Starting point is 04:02:54 expect way more out of Marvel and 2XCO than you would out of Bandai Namco. You really Marvel really, really ought to. Yes. It would be crazy if they didn't. I think you should look at the DBFZ roster as like the absolute bare
Starting point is 04:03:10 minimum possible. Sony in particular. Sony in particular as well being involved too is like, yeah, there's no reason for this not to just get the fullest final
Starting point is 04:03:23 final roster on it. Okay, get out of here. Have everyone, everybody. Y'all love birds. Go do your thing.

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