Castle Super Beast - CSB333: Skong Derangement Syndrome
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Thank you.
Willie, I got smaller.
You did.
Hi.
Hello.
I'm not really sure how that happened.
Your camera has zoomed out and now you are even tinier.
Crazy.
Hello.
Hi.
I am I am punching in.
I am here.
How are you doing?
punching in on the clock I have showed up for work here I am can you see me am I here I can see
you cool cool cool now if you want what you can do is just put a cardboard cut out in front of
yourself like in front of the camera and then just sneak off no no no it's got to be life
size that's a little small I'll make it I'll just put it like right here and then I'll back away
and then we got it.
Yeah, just have
a button on it that says
fighting games.
Done and done.
Just dusted.
Yep.
Apparently I am massively, massively desynced right now.
That's all my existence turns out to be.
Yeah, this happened last week,
and I don't really know what to make of that,
except...
Because I can see myself in your Discord feed
like a half second delayed.
I can see you normal as usual,
and nothing has changed,
there has been no delay,
so I don't know what to make of that.
Weird.
That's so strange.
Well, I am in the past.
It is 1230.
Is it so bad as to warrant killing this and restarting it?
Or is it fine?
Dude, I don't fucking give him shit.
Because literally nothing has changed, you know?
Yeah.
It's pretty bad, huh?
Okay, all right.
Let's kill.
Let's just give up.
Let's just give up.
Clock out.
And, all right.
All right.
See you guys next week.
It's clock out and we're done.
I've arrived.
I've punched in.
Time to punch out.
I think we should force athletes to do drugs and kill each other.
All right.
I've done my piece.
Fighting games.
Ah, that would be a fighting game.
That'd be a good one, too.
No, I'm saying the line.
You said your line.
And I got distracted
And now we're good
And now we're done
Evo would be more fun
If there was one guy
Walking around
Randomly jabbing participants
With performance enhancing drugs
Which
You are not disgusted by
For some reason
Well I'm not getting stabbed by drugs
I'm not at Evo
Oh okay
Okay got it
See
Right
See
It's about the threat
And also
What is the point
Of not fighting to the death
and
I don't know
and so on it's
I don't know
I don't know
what is the point
of having fun
and
I don't know
I keep saying that
and there was a huge
there was a huge
there was
yeah there was
there was like
this is like
the dumbest bit
pets ever done
and I went into like
10 threads
and it was like
this is not a bit
this is how I
actually live
life and I like I think if I had to like zoom out from and zoom out again and try to
understand because I'm just looking at even in that conversation I was like I don't
understand is this a bit like where are we going with this and it took it took a while
until eventually I think I got it but um yes there is there is fighting for fun and then there
is fighting ghosts of the past.
No, no, no, those are the same.
No, but that's what I'm saying, but they're not.
I'm not fighting ghosts of the past, Pat.
No, and also not ghosts of the past.
Like, it's just fun.
So I can actually skip like 10 minutes of this conversation.
Okay.
I actually skip like 15 minutes of this conversation and just skip right to the end.
It's a language issue.
That's all it is.
So you guys announced that you were going to do a fight.
And you posted, like, photos of you guys being all like, I'm fucking tough and sweaty and tattooed and shit.
Yeah.
And it said, fight.
Yeah.
So it didn't say friendly, good-natured spar.
It said, fight.
Okay.
Right?
So, like, I described that if I were to do a fight where I would present myself to fight you, I would go out and do that.
stupid thing and then you would square up and then I would pull out pepper spray and just gas you
right and go but we're having a fight now yeah I'm a YouTuber man like if you expected anything
else you're insane I'm a fucking YouTuber dude all right let's fix this D-sync and come back in
yeah let's do that all right all right hopefully that worked
no I can't see you at all oh well yeah that swoops right there we go
Um, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, hopefully that worked. That, that should be fine. Um, yeah. Um, hmm.
It did work. Cool. Great, great. Awesome. You're so smart. Amazing.
I also figured out how to zoom myself back in, because I'm so smart. Yeah, if you use a, if you use the virtual camera, you get more control over your situation.
Yeah, I've never done that before. But now I realize that I have, like, more power than I ever had.
Mm-hmm. But that, that, that, that, that, that, you know, that, that, you know, that, that,
That's part of how you do, like, luts and funny, fancy lighting.
And if you want to get your, if you want to get your pores in crisp, crisp detail.
No, my pores are shit, dog.
Which is why you need them in crisp detail.
Yeah, but now I can be like, oh, I want to talk about this.
Oh, my God.
Hey, there you go.
Let's just go full clown show on this.
That's the benefit of having, yeah, the virtual camera.
Absolutely. There you go.
How's it going?
So what's up, man?
Yeah.
You know, been keeping busy, obviously.
Before we continue, I should mention,
you have to remember the personality
of the guy who had that
discussion with you is the same guy
that like 10 years ago
when I went to a party and some guy really didn't
like me, I was like, I bet
you can't knock me out in one punch
and then he tried and I didn't even fall down
and I was like, look at this pussy.
So, yeah.
Like, that's my personality type.
Right.
Right.
Like, again, fighting ghosts is a part of it, right?
It is a part of what makes this cool,
but it is not the overwhelming majority of the fire that burns.
But, uh, uh, uh, he couldn't kill me.
That means I won.
I mean, like the,
The real thing is, like, if you do the shadow boxing, like, a part of, of practicing,
are you envisioning somebody in particular?
Are you envisioning yourself?
Or you envisioning the final boss, which is your childhood self, that you want to beat the shit out of?
No, me, it's me.
It's the little, little you from the past, because I'm going to fucking kill me.
Yeah.
So, hey, just to let you know, my wife says, I've never heard that story.
It makes me love you more.
see their correct decisions were made i'm glad there's a meeting of minds on this the correct decisions
were made you wound up where you're supposed to be i remember when we were talking about jojo part
four and i was like that's true love that's just true love and you were like having a meltdown
and i was getting texts on my phone that were like it's true love i can't i can't
fucking coichi and absolute psychopath
Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yep, yep, yep.
Reggie once said red flags lead love to.
They do.
You know. Yeah.
Just doing the fucking on the tar on the tarmac, just lining it up, you know.
anyways i have an actual actual piece of red flag advice for people like as we're doing jokes about
red flags but people have had some red flags situations i lord knows i have lord knows you have um
and somebody i remember reading that the phrase when you're looking back at your life with
rose colored glasses all the red flags just look like flags yes right right yeah i've heard that
i've heard that one before yeah yeah it's like oh wow
That's so good
Because you tell the story
And you're like
Ha ha ha funny story
And then around you
Everyone's like
Oh my god
What
And then
Oh that's from the Bojack Horseman
Right right right
Right there you go
There you go
Meanwhile
Pages over here typing
Hey
As if she's not holding a red flag
Like sin from Guilty Gear
Just doing fucking
She's kissing on a red flag
She's like
Doing massive extension
combos with it
Spinning that shit around
and doing flips.
Come on.
Come on, Paige.
Like, Paige has this thing where I can't tell if when I do something stupid,
I'll get, like, praised or, like, finger wagged.
Right, right, right.
I can't tell if I can't tell if my wife would, like, cheer me on or shame me for hopping
the Springfield gorge on a skateboard.
I literally don't know until I hit the wall.
because sometimes
you are the bouquet
of the Manzan comedy duo
and sometimes you're the other one
so it's hard to say who's going to be
the straight one and who's going to get hit with the
big paper fan
you know
um
anyway
there's Abbott and there's Costello
inside you as both
um
what
it's how you're holding up dude you're right in the
you're right in the middle of the fucking
yeah yeah yeah
Yeah, yeah.
Anything goes zone.
Yeah, you know, like when there's not much beyond just like keeping busy, doing stuff, you know, building, prepping, building, building, buying, putting things in places, finding out about a maximum odor defeating technology, certainly.
Well, you can do what we did, which was catch COVID.
Okay.
Okay, there's that.
right during during the worst of it couldn't smell a thing that's pretty sick okay okay when the color
starts changing um but uh yeah no besides like you know diaper genies and stuff like that i'm also
like getting i'm finding out about these carbon filters which like the fancier ones have where
you put them put them around anywhere you put them in your gym bag put them wherever and they just
absorb and you're like okay cool let's let's defeat smell with that i have a question about
the carbon filter
when it absorbs it
does that mean
that it's now created
like a one foot radius
of a dude
I think it's a neutralizing effect
I don't
yes I don't think it absorbs it
and hyper concentrates it
fortunately not
that is that would be
absolutely psychotic
and horrifying
but no it's carbon
so it's going to neutralize it
much like if you have
activated you know charcoal
and then
it's good for
about a month and then you just then you got to replace that bro we have gone around and round and
round over the years and here we are back and activated charge basically basically but it turns out
it's an actual thing that's built into the diaper garbage that you can buy right yeah but the one
that I have doesn't have it so I'm like okay well let me just go buy it on its own and stick it on
the lid and see if that works um and there's some other tech I learned about
which is like literally like doggy bags,
just tossing in one of those sealing it's tight
with the good smell
and then putting that in your disposable.
Exactly.
And then you've got,
between that and the carbon filter,
I'm like,
oh yeah,
we're going to kill all smells.
So that is,
yeah,
what?
I have seen.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Well, that's okay.
No, that's fine.
That's fine.
Oh,
Oh, shit.
We got it.
We got to.
Oh, that's the best bit ever.
I mean, look, we got to find out, right?
And then we got to find out as the nature of the beast changes.
Right?
But at least initially, from what I've read online, it seems like between, you know, the genie, between carbon filters, between one of these little zip bag.
or tie bags or so um it's a pretty good suppression tactic and I even saw one person say um if you're still getting a little bit that you don't want in there throw another carbon filter at the bottom so sand so carbon filter sandwich with with with with doggy bags and a genie containing it I mean that's a full army holding back you know that's fucking that's persona three right
there that is so you're definitely going to have some effectiveness just by throwing this much
technology at it yeah yeah the the the actual like genuine threat is not that your system will
fail the threat is where your system doesn't exist right right right right right right right yes
yeah you're gonna that that that that's the actual all nightmares happen away from the home
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Someone said, never had a cat.
I took care of my friend's kitten for a while back in the day, and the litter...
Find a while.
About a month.
Okay, that's a while.
Yeah, that is a while.
And the litter we had and the setup, like, did a really good job.
Like...
I'm going to tell you, man, cat chain ain't nothing.
It was...
Catching ain't nothing.
It was surprisingly not a problem.
problem the entire time. I was definitely prepared for much worse, you know?
Cat piss is the night.
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The... Cat piss is like a whole different fucking planet.
Mm-hmm. The ammonia. Yeah.
But yeah, we'll find out. We'll find out.
Beyond that... I have a piece of advice for you coming in from Wifetime,
specific to you. Not me. Not a threat with me. You need to have a set of
hair ties on you at all times, because you are in some dangle threat scenarios.
So fortunately, I do have a set of hair ties on me at all times. It's called my, it's called my
hair. Okay. Right. So that's the magic of my, of, of how this works, as I'm good to go.
Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Because you don't. I've been tying my hair with my hair for like the last 10
years. Now, this is definitely not a problem for me, for the most obvious reasons on God's green earth.
Um, but, uh, that aside, um, yeah, I got, I guess got up to a couple things this week.
So, um, the, uh, oh yeah, okay, so first off, there was a, uh, uh, sure meo music of, um, of PSD fame.
He has a series called, uh, Pondering Spooky Tapes where we watch, uh, you,
where you watch like horror movies and do commentary on them.
So I was on an episode of that, which comes out.
Well, the commentary track is out, and then there's going to be a discussion of it.
It's called, the movie I watch is called Hausa, which is a Japanese haunted house movie.
And apparently was part of the inspiration for a clock tower.
And a number of Japanese horror movies, it's fucking crazy.
It is a wild ass.
I want to say 70s haunted house horror movie from Japan.
Absurdest as fuck.
1977.
The director was basically, yeah, making, he used to make romance movies and then wanted to make like a horror movies that woman would get into in the
and then also
based the
scary parts on
what made his little daughter scary
afraid and
and just kind of like she's partially
got a like I think it's a good system
she's got a partial credit on the movie
for like okay that's a really good
system what was my kid afraid of
probably immoral but hey
she helped in production with stuff
but yeah a gang of
gang of
you know
almost like Scooby-Doo gang of girls heads up
to a haunted house
and there's the fighting one
who's called Kung Fu
there's the one that's always daydreaming
and everyone has their attributes or whatever
and then there's the one who is
like slightly
chubbier than the others
and her name is Mack because she's called stomach
because she's so huge and
disgustingly fat
and it's like
Jesus Christ, Japan
fucking chill
like 86 pounds
I mean not even
you know like it was like
barely larger
than the rest of the girls
and it's just like okay
that's what we're doing
um
and uh
yeah just really
the fat will protect her from ghosts
really like
I mean
you would hope
but you know
we all know
I would hope
I hope well
well you
the order of events
when it comes to kills
of course
you could always imagine
that someone like that
doesn't get taken
too seriously or like
God get her off camera
get her out of this movie
as soon as possible
Jesus now we can
insert
fucking
And, yeah, bullshit.
Anyways, the, the, it's one of these wild-ass movies where it has, like, transitions that are spiral, zooms and Star Wars, like, clock wipes and just no adherence to traditional filmmaking.
I don't think I've ever seen a wipe in anything but a George Lucas film for my entire life.
And here, not only are we wiping and doing, again, like, like clock transitions.
There's points where they want you to notice something on the screen.
So they'll just do a spotlight, all dark, like circle on that thing, and then go back to full frame.
You know, like, just experimental movie making at its, at its finest.
And sometimes it's incredibly beautiful.
It works out really well.
There's matte paintings that are, whoever is responsible for doing all the backgrounds is just so proud that they even got them drawing.
behind scenes that didn't need it
just because they wanted to flex their mat painting skills
you know
but yeah
it's it was a wild and hilarious
ride very fun
some some wipeouts
some gruesome for
for the kinds of things that like a kid
was afraid of that then get turned into
full production horror
there are some horrendous kills
when you think about them
for what they are you know
stuff that I would say
like stuff's kills that would make it into a saw movie
but because this is the 70s it doesn't go anywhere near
as like gruesome in
and how the person getting killed reacts
but the concept is the concept is absolutely
saw level nightmarish
I just saw a piano based situation
yes that's one of them
there is a piano kill
okay and it is it is not the simple
drop a piano on you style kill
It is the slow and horrible ground-up version of it.
Yeah, it's wild.
It gets real weird.
But, yeah, Housou, definitely, definitely a peak experimental bat-shit crazy-ass horror movie watch.
And, yeah, a director who's coming at this from way outside, just trying shit out and nobody's telling them what to do and what not to do and how to make a scene transition.
transition into another.
There's a character in particular who has a aura of like romance movie only when you're
standing five feet from around this one woman.
Like the camera blurs, the wind starts blowing, music starts playing, the trees get brighter,
but only when you're standing next to her and only when she's on camera.
And anywhere else, it's like, nah, that's some other genre that's happening.
Evil cat, crazy shit.
Check it out.
Housu.
So yeah, but the recording of that is, I think there's a dub track to play over the movie
Watch Along, and then there's the actual podcast where we talked about it, and that was a
good time.
It was, yeah, Sirmia Music, Mandelor, Bren Daniel, and I Patch Wolf and myself jumped on there.
what else did I do
I'll tell you what I did
I fucking
I fucking
I downloaded that punishing
gray raven is what I did
oh my God
and I went
I went through that tutorial
is what I did
oh yeah I was
the only thing I wanted to know
is like okay I'm going to get in a devilma and cry
punishing gray raven
and I'm like did they update the tutorial thing at all
from like the 10 year old absolute pile
of fucking shit that I played through just last year
and the answer is going to be no, isn't it?
So when this got announced, I started
checking it out out and I think I talked
about it looking until before it came
to North America. And then I saw
oh shit, it's out. Okay, let's go see what's going on.
And installed it and
this is the most I've ever
like in Nikke, I kind of
still read the text a bit.
I completely ignored
every single bit of dialogue.
What about the punishing gray ravens?
There's a virus.
It's bad.
That's it.
That's what I got.
There is a bad virus.
In the meantime, here's your wifus.
You know, here's your husbandos.
And yeah, then there's the Devil May Cry, you know, event.
And those are really.
once again, really good
models. They did an incredible
job, faithful with that.
Why, Wully? Because I don't
care about that shit. That's why I'm
here for Dante and Virgil. Fuck
out of here. So, I
I'm going to raise my hand.
Yeah, yeah. This is
something I genuinely, like
universally
don't understand about the way
certain people, and you're like a really good example
of this, interact with crossover
content in
like in a side game.
So I think about like the near raid, right?
And I think about
this and that and it's like,
yeah, get the shit out of my face.
And when you're saying get the shit out of my face,
it's like 99.9% of the total game.
I want to get to this thing.
But like, when you get to the thing,
you still have to interact with it
inside the context of the 99% of the shit
you don't give a fuck about.
Yeah, I don't, yeah, I'm aware of that.
that like inherently self-defeating?
Not really, no. I can still
get the character, try it out, see how it feels,
see what's going on with it, and ultimately
understand that I skipped past
context, but
I'm just here to check out gameplay and see how that's
doing, you know? Okay, so you're not
getting in, you're just like, I want to touch
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not getting
in. See, now that makes more sense.
Yes, yes. And in particular,
what it's the type of crossover event
that is like this with a gacha game, where you're like,
oh, it's going to be a event that's contained to a space
that has a series of missions and a series of unlocks
and things that are all and points based on this event.
And then there's the other stuff that you can go select elsewhere.
I can, it's easy to kind of like look at just the folder
with the event going on and go like, yeah,
I'm looking at this particular Devil May Cry themed content, you know,
versus a game where the integration is much more in overlapped
and like, you know, if you kind of were like,
I'm going to play Nocturn for Dante and only Dante,
that would be, that'd be, that'd be pretty rough, you know,
you'd have a hard time with that one, you know.
I'm going to ask based off of completely having no knowledge whatsoever,
in punishing Grey Ravens crossover with Devil May Cry characters with Dante, Dante
and Virgil Virgil, Virgil, I think I saw that, um, can you kiss them?
You can get your relationship
That's more than no
That's more than no
You can peck them
And you can increase their relationship points
To make them say nice things about you
So you can get real close
I don't think you
I don't think Virgil would ever accept a kiss
But you can get real
You can get in there
You can get him to blush
You can get him to kind of like
Be a little shy
And you can get him to pull out his poetry book
read to you. Can you get him to do the caramel dance?
Uh, damn devil trigger does? No, I don't. I didn't see that yet. I don't think so. Um,
and, but you can get that shot of him basically sitting on the chair and it's not the chair
because it's just the Clyphod tree, but they've reshaped the Clyphod tree to look more like the
chair. Are you serious? It's not the full shot. It's not the full chair of blocking his view. It's like
it looks more like the lawn chair you know they're they're super aware the lawn chair has become
so ever present that i've seen two different people become legitimately confused when they get to
the end of the game because they're like what what where's his chair yeah exactly exactly um
and he gets up and he does and he also does and it goes right into the the monster energy shot
you know as well so they know what people want to see um
I'm surprised, I didn't see, with Dante, you know, it's not canon yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we gave it a minute and we saw his, um, uh, uh, jujutsu Kaysen dance where he's fucking, you know, this one, and he's got the pizza, uh, uh, and then Virgil's like, ah, yeah, I bet you that's gonna become candid in a minute. Um, but anyways, so they, they have that integrated into the game. You can go, you can go unlock them and stuff. Um, so for Dante, you can, you can,
play and then eventually unlock him after completing a certain mission for free and then for
Virgil there's you got a you got a roll you got to take your chances get your your thing or whatever
so I dolphined you know I dolphin all right I said you all right here let's let's let's
let's let's let's let's see it I'm here for this I'm a tourist and I got him um and
thankfully wasn't
as bad as I was
potentially expecting it could go
based on the numbers
but I
bought one of those
it was I guess 40 USD
collection gem sets and then
got them in that got them in like the second roll or so
and I was like okay cool done
let's try this out
and
it is really interesting to see
the integration into how they make it work. So for one, I mentioned it before, but like this is
really, really lovingly crafted in the sense that like they're clearly, this devil my cry has
inspired a lot of these characters and stuff going on in this. And this is one of the games with a lot
of Virgil daughters, so to speak. So they have made sure to, you know, want to do it as much
justice as possible. And yeah, the line reads all the extra bits, everything they're saying. A lot of
the little like lore things. These are all taking place in a context that's like post DMC
5, you know? So there are like line reads that are similar to stuff that was said in 5, but then
tweaked with a little bit of like, but now that the game is over and we're here at the end,
like I know this about myself or that about myself, you know, so it's kind of like treated as if
it's happening after the game. Excuse me. Translating the characters into this, into the
pGR system is really odd it's interesting because essentially you have um uh you know you have a
ground dodge button then you have a ground attack button right for all your mobile like whatever uh
and i did not play much punishing gray raven i remember anything yeah it's great well so treat
it like any of these like mobile gotcha character action things you know where it's like you got a very
you got a stylish ground evade move you got a stylish hit this one button you're you got a stylish hit this one button
to do combo thing and then you have abilities there's like usually four that you're going to kind of
cycle through that are going to go up that are going to line up in your your like abilities queue
and then you'll have like a big special you can do you know with a like I guess a trigger button
or like on the phone or something else I I connected my controller to the phone to play
you know which helps as well to be able to be like let's move around with a stick let's move around
with a camera that shit on a PC client exactly I also loaded up the PC client and did that too
So I tried phone.
I remember PGR's PC client was like,
I technically live on PC.
I'm still an unoptimized pile of shit.
But here we go.
Yeah, it had to download 40 gigs for some weird reason.
I don't know what was going on.
And then after that, it started up and then updated again.
And then started up and then updated another.
It's very, very not well done.
But once the game's playing and I'm like, okay, cool, this is fine.
The only thing I was having issues with was the V6.
think was like pretty terrible um but you and i was thinking i mean it's just a tiny little
indie dev they can't be expected you'd think you think that's like it's like oh this thing that
runs on the phone you know would would have less trouble in this situation but um in any case
um converting the characters over is really interesting because um Virgil is three weapons right
They've gotten more complex over time, but for the most part, you have your button to cycle through them, and then tapping that same button also does one of the key feature moves.
And you more or less have the kit translated over into a version of Virgil that has like a Beowulf button and then a Force Edge button or Mirage Edge button, you know, and then a Yamato button type of thing.
and then Devil Trigger also acts as judgment cut end
once you've popped and then you go into it as well
so like they kind of put some multiple functions on the same thing
but overall it works and then the fourth skill
is jump or trick up right
so this is not a game where people are really running around and jumping
but for the Sparta Bros then yes
because that's part of their kit so that of course
getting an airborne lets you modify
the moves to get airborne versions of things
and so on and so forth.
So yeah, and I played
a couple of the other characters in the game
just to kind of get a base feeling for what was going on
and how it translates over. And it was pretty
smartly done. All in all, you can do
the Sun High Legend combo.
You can do most of the swag things you would expect
to be able to do with Virgil. You have to kind of
put your brain into like a different place. It's almost like
learning to use a different
stick or something, but it's all very, very possible and really well implemented.
In fact, yeah, Sun High did do the combo, did the version of combo, down to like the spinning
taunt juggling on ice ranc and everything, you know, and then you get to Dante, and it's like,
I feel like Dante's harder to translate.
Oh, man, Dante games like, look, man, we're going to.
We're going to try, but just don't get mad, okay?
I feel like there aren't enough buttons to even...
Impossible.
Even do sword master devil sword Sparta by itself.
You cannot.
You just...
Let alone.
You can't do anything else.
So you've got the Devil's Sword Sparta button.
Sorry, Devil's Sword Dante button.
And then you've got the...
Like, there's no fuck style switching, right?
you've got a like
you've got a
essentially like
his weapon and style
locked together in one
button that you can switch to
you know and it's not like
it's struggling
it's basically like you press that and then
you'll you'll be doing
the gun slinger
ability with with the particular gun
and that's all you're getting out of that
you're not you're not
getting any sort of like
free switch or whatever the case is.
It's a fraction of his kit
as you'd imagine. And
I get it
because I don't think the game is
built for that too much.
No, it's not. It's built for you to
chill on the toilet with. Yeah.
Yeah. They did what they could.
And from checking out some of the other characters,
there's definitely characters that go through
phases of having their kits
change according to, you know,
getting into certain states with them.
Um, what were, yeah, there was one, uh, okay, yeah, so two of the ones I was looking at was, uh, like Watanabe Epitaph, who is somebody who does a bunch of stuff gets into one phase and then his whole kit changes. Um, and with Dante, you're like, yeah, that's his devil trigger. He already has that. So to then go do that extensively on each one, it was just, it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not, it's not the same Dante. It is, it is highly limited. But you can be stylish. You can do some stuff. Um, but for sure, Virgil fans are eating way, way.
way better than uh anyone who's trying to pick dante in this game and similarly this is kind
of how it was always going to have to go based on the limitations of a phone game i think so and
similarly i think nero could also work as a simple move set character you know where like switching
arms is kind of like the most complex it would get but um dante just can't sword gun arm
switch arm uh would be your buttons yeah yeah but i would also say that
that like a group of devs that cared less about these characters would have tried way less as well.
You know, this is a, this is an extremely reasonable compromise given that they could have just went like, look, man, you get one.
Leave me alone, you know.
I'm sure, I'm sure it's better than fucking pinnacle of combat, you know, by not switching off these things into 15 or 20 different Dantes to pick from, right?
And then, yeah, you know, I've seen, I haven't done it a bunch of it, but there's definitely like, you know, hang out with them, pet them, feed them gifts, go into the tunnel of love, you know.
I'm looking at screenshots of a Virgil actually sitting in the plastic lawn chair for realzies in chibi mode.
Okay, I didn't see that. I just saw the, the Clifod version.
I'm also seeing some kind of pose builder where you can get the chair for your other characters.
There you go.
Which is fucking so stupid because like that chair has nothing to do.
Don't they cry?
No, they know.
They know everything you want to see.
Yeah.
Even the fucking Dante slicking his hair back.
The legend continues doing the doing the make fun of Virgil pose.
He's even got that in there, you know.
So, yeah, honestly, like, and I haven't gone through all the content, but just at the baseline level of just picking the characters and just trying them out and seeing what's going on.
Pretty, pretty well done.
And not to mention, of course, yeah, it's definitely one of these more stylish, you know, mobile gacha character action style things as well.
Like, even though the baseline characters are doing cool stuff and it's, it, I can see why this and Zenless, you know, where we're getting recommended.
um in particular here as well i think like there's like three or four different katana wielding judgment
cutting time slowing picks to go with virgil is like canonical despite the fact that nero is is you know
here like like virgil's daughters have propagated amongst the the gatcha populace
yeah it's a really really specific archetype
Um, and I guess, you know, now that this is a, a metric that matters,
taught from boot up to mash past all the daily screen poison is fairly,
is quicker than other games have been.
So I appreciate that I only get, you know, I don't know, 10 seconds of, yeah,
than a full minute of it.
Um, so yeah, I'll go explore a little bit more of that.
Those games would be really fun for me to play on my phone if I didn't have the brain disease that made them completely horrible for me in every single way.
Didn't you get the, um, the phone controller back?
No, not that brain disease.
Oh.
The brain disease of, oh, I never got that character.
Oh, yeah.
The brain disease that they built their entire, like, empires on.
Which is why being a tourist for this particular game works perfectly.
because I can not give a fuck about whoever I missed after or before this.
You know, I'm literally just here for this moment only.
I played um,
Umamusame for like two weekends and never spent a dime and was like,
yeah,
a fun horse game.
And then dropped it because it wasn't activating my disease brain.
Ah,
yeah.
How about that?
I think this,
there's only one game I ever played for a really,
really, really, really long time on my phone and fell
good about it, and I never spent any money on it either, and it was Roontera.
Okay.
It was Legends of Rootera, the card game.
Well, I was going to say the whole conversation about that game has been, like, look
how generous it is, right?
Yeah, and then that I went broke.
But it's fucked up to say that, like, hey, this game you enjoyed is not being toxic
enough to you.
Therefore, you're not spending as much time and money on it.
Hey, listen.
Encouraging the toxicity is wild, dude.
Uh, um, there is a secondary part of that.
this where it's like you there's there's a whole lot of language as well for these things which
um is like i guess there's like weapons to unlock and stuff as well but
ratings rankings duplicates you for every dante you get a second dante free or i'm like
yeah i don't i don't how many horse cards you got bro i mean look if i can go into the mission
and pick the one that i want and do the full moves then i'm good how many times you have to
roll until dante'll play gougoo babies i think
think like five.
Yeah, you gotta
you gotta roll many Dantes for
Gugu baby time.
Yeah.
No, it is, it is,
I was,
I'm happy that I was able to get exactly
what I wanted to fairly quickly
and not,
like,
look at any of the other,
the other things here,
but I,
seeing that there's like,
oh,
here's the social lines if you want to go hang out
and get all that dating stuff for you or whatever.
Hang out.
If you want all that dating stuff or whatever,
it's like,
it's like,
yeah,
with these two fucking goobers,
I kind of do
I do want to see those lines
These two massive losers
Hanging out with each other
Having their conversations and
You know
Them being all like
Soon soon because it's like
I guess again like it's them basically
Post hell being like
Oh he's here too
You know
I don't know if it's part of news
Of people are mentioning it in the chat
Have you been following up on what's happening
With P5X
No
So
did we talk about P5X at all?
Yes, we talked about subway slamming, and then we talked about how the new
writing team took over after that and hated everything that came before.
Okay, and that's it, huh?
Yep.
Okay, so P5X is in the process of being actively destroyed by Sega and being run directly
into the ground to death.
Why?
so let's take umamusime right so umamusime released three four years ago right and uh they want to catch international people up so they're they are on an accelerated schedule right so events that were six weeks now they're four weeks that kind of thing but to compensate for that everybody's got like double experience double everything forever until it's caught up right p5x said hey so we're going to accelerate
it super, super fast, but also
we're going to cut all the free
stuff you get
in half or less.
So your actual free-ass
purchasing power is like
20% of what it was
because we want to drag as much money out of you
as possible.
But it's gotten
even worse
because they put out, oh God,
the details are a little fuzzy,
but basically they put out a promotion
where you'd get like,
like a small catch-up item
but the item would count towards your like weekly totals
so if you accepted it at the beginning of the week
you just couldn't earn anything in game at all
okay Jesus Christ
yeah like as we were just discussing
that exact FOMO toxicity button
cranky no it's
it's been run into the dirt
and sales and all that shit are like down down down down down
It will probably get canceled by the end of the year in all regions other than China,
where the Chinese devs actually came out and said,
that's not us doing it.
It's Sega.
It's not us.
We're still running the game of China.
Man, anytime we have a conversation like this where there's a game with content
and then the production filter that's put in front of the content for how it's drip-fed to you
or how to make you feel about your ability to access it
that just slimes up the entire process here
is the most disgusting feeling shit ever, dude.
Yeah, Sega's like, oh, we gotcha.
Let's get the Gatcha money.
And instead of getting like five to 10 years
of incredibly good Gatcha money from gambling addicts,
they're going to burn their entire audience out
in every country in the world other than China in like six months.
Man.
But is it that Bobby Codic school of like,
burn it fast, hot
while you got it?
No, it's not. No, it's not.
It's, it's Sega school of, oh, how's it go?
Now that we've killed the golden goose.
Well, how's it go?
Now the gold, how?
Cutting the golden goose open to get the eggs faster?
Yeah, basically.
Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what I meant.
Well, that's Bobby.
Now that we have these golden eggs, we don't have to worry about that goose anymore.
Okay.
Well, you know, the Codic school is, is the, is the,
Like, we know that Guitar Hero has, like, minutes on the clock.
So let's make five more of them to make people get extra sick and squeeze every drop of blood out of the stone.
See, that's slightly different because at least those are separate things and you're saturating the market.
This one is like you're basically demanding that they pay you everything they have up front today.
Like, this is like if Guitar Hero came out with six games in two months.
and said
Give it to us all now
It's just crazy how like the actual game itself
Has no part in this conversation whatsoever
None
None
Monetization's important
How people actually spend money on their on their dollars
In their video games
I saw a stat today
That the average person of the U.S.
spends $325 on video games a year
And 50% of that is microtransact
sections. Oh, what?
Huh.
So at 170, that's
two games? Hold up, hold up. Is that
also factoring in
a upfront
console purchase average, if that's a part
of it at all? Or is this just
not including consoles just...
I believe that is just in general.
Okay. North American players spend
an average of 325 on gaming
annually, according,
accounting for 28% of global
spending. Okay. So yeah,
that's probably phone only or
steam only and
and... And for consoles...
And half is micro.
For consoles, if it's 325,
split that in two, you got like, what,
160? You know what that is?
Call of Duty? Madden.
Plus
cards and skins.
Or Super Robot Wars with the
extra sounds and music.
I don't think that represents
a piece of this
pie chart enough to show.
Oh, yes, and the Fortnite, yeah.
Oh, man. Right, right.
Getting those Power Rangers going.
Though there is a stat, and this is from like the late 90s early aughts.
So it may have changed up until then.
Oh.
But I remember it was going around.
That's a fucking eon ago.
Yeah, well, the core of it is a value, which is that approximately 10% of all game players
represent 40% of all income in the game's business.
Yeah, sure.
Wales, I believe.
Like you and me are doing our fair share.
And even not whale, but like overall, yeah.
Enthusiast, enthusiast is the word you're looking for.
Sure, sure, monetizing the few, attracting the many.
Yeah, that definitely makes sense.
Enthusiasm.
But I'd love to see what that turns into with,
the current state of Gatcha games and such like that.
I saw, like, there was a thread on Steam community that was, like,
Gatcha game player chart, like, it was just comparing all the rates and essentially...
I believe it's, like, 5% whales, like 90% free players.
That's higher than I thought.
I would have put whales lower than that.
I think it is like a one in ten are paying for the nine and ten situation for most catchers.
I would have put whales below two if you asked me.
Yeah, even then, you know.
Well, whale has like a range, right?
Yes.
What do you consider a whale?
Sure.
You consider a Saudi prince putting in 40K into Zenless zone zero?
A whale?
Yeah, obviously.
Do you consider...
So is 40 bucks to 40,000 the dolphin then?
Yeah.
Is that the mid-range, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a very strange business.
But no, I saw a thread that was basically like, it was for people who wanted to play a
Gatcha game, but didn't care what, and just wanted to know which had the best odds on it
kind of thing.
That's.
And I was like, whoa, we're breaking it down like that.
If you're just.
That's weird.
It was, yeah, it was just percentages and things like for like, oh, if you wanted this week,
this event, this thing's going.
Jump in over here.
if you want to get the best feeling pulls on
this thing.
That's fucking weird. Also,
I guess this is my first time seeing something
like this where
there's like, hey, roll here
to get Dante, roll here to get Virgil.
Right. And then, but then there's
here's, roll here to get fate Dante
or fate Virgil. And I was like,
what's the deal with that? And it's like, it's the same
thing. And when you click on them, it's the same
think it's just the color changes a little bit.
And then, like, look at Googling it, it seems like it's, um, whereas the normal version
has a pity threshold, you hit, and then you get it after however many, right?
Um, the fate version gives you, instead of a zero point five chance to get like an S rank,
um, and then a pity threshold far further in, you have a like 1.5 chance to get that S rank.
but after the 80% threshold or so
you are not guaranteed the pity
the pity just increases the chance
of getting the S rank
but you can potentially go through
an entire range of pity polls
and never get the actual pity.
I bet you
there are nerds who have run the math on this
and discovered that it is a massive scam.
Absolutely. It turns out it's a complete scam.
because you have a...
Even under the context of this scam.
It's an even bigger scam.
It is insurance when you're at the dealer's table
and you're about to watch them get blackjack
and they're going, you want to put more money down?
You want to lose a little bit more?
Insurance, anybody?
You know?
A hundred percent.
You're buying chance from the future
and pulling it forward to the front.
but when chance fails you
you get fucked even harder
because now that guarantee
is no longer a guarantee
which means you can spend all that
money or all those points
and get nothing for it
and too bad go home
you know
absolute fucking
crazy scam options there
but yeah
that's what's going on with that
also try i think what was the other character lucia crimson weave is what i wrote down here
which is another one of them she's doing judgment cuts it was it's stylish it's cool um
but uh this isn't a game to as well where like i think people were saying like yeah like toby
came in um and then it took years for another shot at it and then there was a who is it
there was a black rock shooter guest character that only came once and never showed up again
So, yeah, with all these things, it's literally, it's like, try it now or forever hold your peace, you know.
No, I have to, I have to give up. I have to get away.
Can't do it. Can't do it. My brain won't allow it. It makes me sick and miserable.
Even if you don't, like, if you, if you match the skip button, then you don't get the lock-in hooks that make you care, you know?
The point of a game like that
Is to see an inventory screen with every square filled
But there's 18,000 inventory screens in these things
Like I guess I shouldn't play it
Damn
Anyway
The implementation is nice
Yeah
I think you're allowed to do with training with them
For free even if you don't have them pulled
Just to try them out anyway
That's even worse
Yeah.
Because then you can realize that you'd be having lots of fun, but you're not.
I will, I will, I will, I will say that my, the tone you're hearing is from somebody who got Virgil after two attempts at pulling.
Yeah, but also you're mentally resilient in regards to these things in a way that I'm not.
Like you just, I, well, I said to myself, I said, how much am I willing?
to spend to try this character out or to walk away from it forever and then and then be like on
the go on the podcast and be like well tried 40 bucks and didn't give me shit that game sucks
this could have been a completely different segment you know what I mean that's it well
these games are bad I didn't even get Virgil um okay so beyond that uh the other thing I did
was you sound like somebody who like like was offered a vial of heroin
shot it in your arm
got high
and then the next day you were like
didn't care for it
yeah
yeah
I mean
so I've been
I've been told about
Coke that like
because especially growing up
in a very like
you know super like
religious situation
where you're just like
scary drugs right
I've been to the whole time
I've been like
oh you mean that crazy fucking thing
that picks you go wah
and you're just
you're like every movie and stuff
and it's like actually no
it turns out it's really simple
and easy
almost as like an extremely smooth cup of coffee.
And because it's so smooth, that's why it's dangerous.
And you're like, uh, okay.
So it's actually how easy it is to just be like, oh, let's do another bump, right?
As opposed to the like movie montage of everything going in slow motion and, and what if
I jumped into a big old snowbank of cocaine and died?
Right.
You're thinking Tony Montana when it turns out it's like, it's like, it's way milder than
that.
And the fact that it's mild is what's actually dangerous, you know?
Um, but yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, let me, let me, let me try that out, hit me up. Yep, all right, wasn't for me, you know, um, that's also the power of, of devil day cry, really, you know, um, all right, so what I, what I, what I also did was, I, I, I, I checked out that ninja guide in ragebound.
Yeah, it's fucking good. It's excellent. It's super good.
from the trailers I saw hey look
it's a Sprite-based beautiful
Ninja Guyton 2D game
and I was like huh I haven't been
that's one of those character action franchises
that you know I haven't
I didn't get to touch really besides like doing
a little bit of QA here and there
you know
it was always just like oh boy I don't know
what's been going on with the Hayibusa
lore turns out it doesn't
fucking matter it's stupid as shit it's dumb
as fuck dude turns out it doesn't matter
and what the only things I do
know are like the old Nintendo games
and it turns out this is
basically just kind of
remaking those not really
it's its own original game
but it's it's okay
so Ninja Guidon
1
and Ninja Guyton
Ragebound are happening simultaneously
yes you're playing as
Kenji and like you see
Ryugo oh my dad's
dad I gotta go to America
Ninja Guideon 1
yeah he does
does the same thing. He gets the sword. You see the whole. The intro plays out with Joe and everything. And da-da-da-da-da-da-uh. You know, it does the whole bit. And then you, he's like, oh, fuck. Dad's dead. Time to go to America. You stay here and take care of whatever's going on. And then, like, Kenji, the main character of Ragebound is like, this is what was happening during Ninja Guide in 1 for the Nintendo. You know?
It's great. Great setup.
Super cool.
And then, yeah, you are also playing through a 2D side scroller where birds are fuck ass coming at you from off screen.
Oh, it's so ridiculous.
Shits jump in from bottom and top and you're crawling on the ceiling and you're crawling on the walls and you're doing Ninja Guide and shit, you know, in a much more beautiful sprite-based context.
And a couple of just really, like, awesome things like the double jump is like a slash bounce off of the enemies and building up the, you know, charge slacks.
that one hit kills things and it's just a really really tight system um did you get um yeah
how many levels did you get it did you get in did you got enough levels to get to the game's
primary character switching gimmick awesome okay so yes you get you have two awesome you have two
characters in here that are one character and uh a decent amount of like customizable ninja tools
on two buttons, and then your basic jump and slash and dodge, et cetera, on your main buttons.
Yeah, the game's quite short. I'm going to end up beating it tomorrow night on stream, probably.
Okay. It's very, very short.
Getting the blasphemous gang to do this was the right move.
Is that who did it? It's the blasphemous gang? Okay. Sick. Sick. Okay.
Because, yeah, once I got to the, once I saw the flow, which is like, you can get charged up, you can charge up your,
Hurt's you to do it, and you can one shot kill something.
Or you can kill an enemy that's glowing blue, and then you'll get that same charge.
But if you use your red tools to kill red things, you can also get that charge.
And if you daisy chain red and blue kills.
It's kind of like Icaruga.
Yeah.
If you Icaruga five times by killing red things with a charged blue or blue things with a
charged red, you build up these fire orbs, which lets you do supers and skills.
and keep your combo going.
And it has a really fun, like,
just like momentum to that.
It's been designed so that you're like,
okay, if I want to S rank this level,
I can come back through just like enemy step slash
off of everything and then start one shot killing things.
And if I'm moving with the right level of speed and precision,
I can make it just in enough time to one shot kill that big enemy
and keep it moving, you know?
And then as a secondary,
the secondary character mechanic,
that they have going there's these
little side sections of the levels where
you switch to a second character
and her stuff is like
timed and it's much more skill based
platforming and
there's a lot of really cool like
shoot your Koonai at that
target to teleport to it kind of puzzle
solving you know
fantastic stuff and I had
a really strange because I didn't know
about the character switching mechanic
or character integration mechanic
where she becomes like a move set
added on top of Kenji.
So I played through her levels
and I'm like, this is so fucking weird
because she is just like
the exact same character as Kenji
just way better because all of her attacks
arranged.
Holy shit, that's so weird.
Why did they make one character
so much better? Oh, because it's half the game.
Yeah. Okay, there it is. You're doing it
together, right?
So, yeah, so Ragebound also
has, well, one
a fantastic
results screen when you clear a mission and it shows you like oh you got s rank okay why did you
get s rank well you collected all the things you kept the combo going you did it fast enough
and then you completed the three challenges that were set for this mission um press why to break
it down to see how much each of those things contributed to your score um and see just how shy you
you fell for like one or two of those particular things.
And then you're like, you go to the shop where you can buy new weapons, new accessories, new
supers, and new ways to spend your meter.
And then it's like, or you can buy debuffs.
And by buying the debuffs, it's like, okay, put this on.
Every time you die, you don't start at a checkpoint.
You start at the beginning of the stage.
But this guarantees your rank goes up by one letter at the end.
right and then a bunch of shit like that's how i'm gonna get s ranks so you basically can stack
the deck against you to make the game way harder but if you make it all the way through
you basically guarantee that s you know um modifying difficulty via items you purchase that reward you
with better ranking is a really that's great that's a really cool way to do it you know i think
that game is super cool.
Well,
well designed.
That's a fun way
to adapt difficulty.
You know?
And then,
uh,
what was the other bit with it?
Oh yeah.
Ninja Guy and Ragebound is,
it's also just got,
well,
you know,
very short so far and like,
yeah,
I'm like,
I feel like I'm getting through
pretty far to,
to beating it as well.
Um,
boss fights.
Oh,
I played it for like an hour and a half
and was like,
I feel like I'm halfway through the fucking game.
Okay.
Like that game feels real short
There's some secret missions that come in on another menu too
That are like extra challenging and have the harder stuff behind them
But yeah
And then you get some boss fights that are like
Proper Ninja Guide and 2D Ness fucking boss fights
Like
Some shit where you're like
Yeah you can scrape your way through this
And kind of you know
Survive survive survive take a couple hits
But that's going to take forever
You want to live forever
You want to fucking get in there
you know and then like going in to do damage on the boss and like do it stylishly is going to take is going to take precision you know so like i love that as well where there's an element of it where you can you can bounce off of every projectile cut through almost any projectile bounce off of the bosses or the enemies at multiple points but um the screen will fill up with shit in certain instances and it's like you can wait for this long instance this long sequence to end or you could hurt yourself a little bit super slash super slash super
slash that boss and like slam his ass against the wall and then just fucking wail on him you know
so uh yeah like if you're or or otherwise basically go i'm if i'm gonna get hurt i'm gonna
subject my own damage to myself and use it to fucking crush this boss faster so um
ninja guide and ragebound very very cool very cool i should mention that i got it for free they sent
me a code okay um yeah i see um uh shinobe's also
so on its way.
The timing on that is ridiculous.
It's pretty funny. It is pretty funny.
We went for decades without this shit.
And now it's like, hey, guess what?
Both them at the same time.
Yeah.
And I have, unfortunately, had to turn down an opportunity to check out Shinobi.
But I'm...
I hope there is a legally distinct Spider-Man in Shinobi.
Fuck it.
I'm down.
I just remember, back in the day, that was the one on Genesis with the dog versus the
one that was on Nintendo, you know?
And I was kind of like, what's what, like, these competing ninja games?
Why is this a thing, you know?
Because ninjas are cool, man.
Yeah.
And then, you know, and then once, you know,
he came back with the really long scarf, I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're going your own way with it.
Like, I appreciated that.
But yeah, ragebound is fucking dope.
And it's especially great if you're a fan of the Nintendo, Ninja Gadden games.
I kind of wish there was a mode.
I'm a fan of them in, like, spirit.
That's what I'm saying.
Well, so I hope I want there to be a mode when you beat this.
That's like, when you leave the screen and turn around, enemies respawn.
I want a mode where that bird, like, as soon as you turn around and come back, it's like,
kha, kha, kha, kha, horshit fucking spotting enemies.
Yeah, good stuff, though, good stuff.
Um, so that's about it, though.
Um, go, go check that out.
Go check out the, the, the, the, the, the PST episode as well.
And, uh, check out the plushy.
That's, uh, currently still available, too.
Where can people find you this week, Willie?
At home in my basement.
Fucking, putting stuffed animals up.
All right. Where can people find you in an undisclosed, undisclosed, unclear period of weeks?
Um
Nowhere
But if you want to go check out
Other stuff
That's
You know yeah
Woolly versus on YouTube
Where can people watch reruns
There we go
The best of Silent Hill
For example
You can catch over on
Woolley versus
Yes
That's where stuff's going on
I suppose
It's time for Pat's week
Huh?
What's happening?
so i played a couple of games but fuck that i want to talk about something else so my little boys
two years old ish right he's a little older yeah uh and we're like you know what we're getting
to the end of summer we don't want to miss the shot so we went and hung out with some friends of
mine and um they live relatively close to a lake so we're like why don't we get everybody
in the car and go down to the lake and throw on a little baby life jacket on the little
baby and we put him in the lake
and he can have a good experience with
swimming with mom and dad. A body of water.
The experience that I had
was swimming, which was being drowned
by my neighbor.
Not a good way to start
that. Don't remember that one.
Yeah, no, that, uh, yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Um,
so we went down to the lake.
It was super hot.
So that worked out really well.
Got the man in his little swim trunk.
you know got his little life jacket on it fit perfect it was awesome go down to the lake get his
little feats wet right and he's like yeah I'm splashing I'm splashing I'm splashing I'm like I'm doing
good dad things here I'm doing it go a little further into the lake you know when the water
hits your junk and all of a sudden it's like oh didn't like it but after a little bit he's like okay
I'm okay
and I'm like
throwing up in the air
and so he's getting dunked a little bit
and he's like ha ha ha I'm laughing
I'm laughing right
and then mom comes out
and she helps
but then we're out there
and we're like relatively deep
and he starts getting like really upset
okay really upset
okay okay yeah yeah yeah yeah
and I'm like okay
so I think he's afraid of the water
because we're swimming now
right we're holding the child and we're swimming
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to show him
how not scary the water is
and I'm going to go all the way into the water
and I'm going to poke back up.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
So, so I go all the way into the water
while Paige is holding the little man
and I poke back up on the water
and I see my little dude pointing at me
and just going,
like just as loud as he can.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
God damn.
I'm, yeah, there's, you got, it's, you got to go slow.
You got to really, really, really slowly integrate the water, you know, especially
what it's like, full body of water in particular.
Yeah.
I mean, as some, like, I was brought to the beach in Grenada every Saturday, basically.
Like, for when I was, when I was there, we would go to church and then afterwards we'd go to
the beach and, um, learned early, you know, about.
the water and stuff, but I definitely remember the phases of being like, okay, I'm okay to go in
and go further as long as I'm always looking at the beach. And as long as, and then like,
then mom's right here. And then I remember like, okay, um, going under until I'm like,
my eyes still need to be sticking out. I'm not okay to go under debt, you know, or even
opening your eyes took, took like a while for me to get okay with that. Um, but there's a whole
point, even with the life jacket's on and stuff, there's a whole point where essentially like
until you're able to float deliberately and keep yourself afloat and actually feel like you're
controlling your, your agency or so, which turns out babies learn to do naturally in water, right?
Like, humans are pretty good in the water, but until you have that, everything is terrifying,
everything is scary. It's just like, you, like, the moment something doesn't work,
it's like, it's an immediate panic mode, you know? Um, so,
Yeah, yeah, you got to really ease that in.
And over the course of multiple sessions, too, yeah.
We took him back to the beach and we're like, hey, you're okay?
He was a little upset.
And we're like, hey, you want to go back swimming?
You would go, no.
It was like, that's okay.
But, and this is the important thing, we took him back, gave him a bath, and he had fun in the bath.
So he wasn't like, oh, water.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Didn't botch that shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Also of note, swimming around, there's other people.
at the lake, right?
And I see a couple
show up with their child
and I see what must be
the most miserable experience
imaginable, which is
guy is super ripped,
mom is super ripped,
child is normal child,
walk up to the edge of the beach,
pose, photo, photo, photo,
dad, you come out, pose,
photo, photo, photo.
hand the
fucking
I look like a three year old
maybe four year old
the phone
mom and dad
pose
pose
oh god that's new
and then they went and sat on their towels
and I don't think they got into the water
I don't think they got into the water
I definitely didn't see the kid in the water once
Instagram family
and I'm just like I'm like in a bathing suit
I'm schlobbing out.
And like Paige didn't have a bathing suit.
So Paige just dove into the lake wearing her dress.
She's like, I don't give a shit.
Right?
Man.
And we're trying to do like baby memories over here.
And I'm over here looking.
I'm like, oh my fucking God, you just came here to put it on Instagram and left.
Okay.
Like there was no, they got in earlier or they got in way later.
I never saw them.
I saw them arrive.
I never saw them get into the water.
They didn't get away.
that sucks
influencer parents
dear god that sucks
brutal
just miserable
just awful
I hate it
I hate it
the judgment
and like the judgment feels good
because like I'm doing
like even if I'm making mistakes
I'm like I'm doing good dad stuff
yeah
and then I look over here and I'm like
oh my fucking God you guys are just like
yeah
You just built a selfie stick that can cry.
There's a particular energy I'm being reminded of,
which is kind of like a pool party on the block, right,
in the hood where like basically like folks get together
and everyone just puts on their nice outfit and just stands around the pool
and just has a drink and just plays music and chills and no one gets in the pool.
The pool is crowded and no one is in the water.
I have not been to the hood version of that
But I have been to a very similar get together
In which like
It's a pool party and they're like
Three under 10 year old children in the pool
Surrounded by like 45 adults
And I remember being one of those kids
I mean like why did you got
I remember thinking like why did the adults even come here
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
It's just it's just to have it's just to have a get together
But to do it's to have a cookout our barbecue type thing
But with the pool as an accessory
The pool is...
When I hang out with people
And get a little drunk
I like to be near a violent drowning hazard
And you know how nice it looks
When it's darker
And there's cool lights coming from it
And you're taking the selfie
Right? The water glowing in the background
Looks really cool
You know, especially when no one's in it
Fuck yeah
So lame
Yeah
No that shit sucks
That shit sucks
And obviously you know
there's a whole other bit with like
whether or not you get access to a pool
and you learn how to swim to begin with
because it turns out that that was a shitty thing
that a lot of people in the city didn't have
the ability to learn to do.
Not knowing how to swim is not good.
No, but it's also gonna like
depending on where you like do you live
in a place where you're going to be in a body of water
anytime soon so you'll probably get by
fine for most of your life without it
you know, until a certain point.
See, that's what people think,
but bodies of water are everywhere.
Even when you least expect it.
Yeah. I mean, sometimes, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Like, hey, did the fucking levees break?
Well, it turns out.
The river looks a little high.
Oh, oh, it looks close also.
Hmm, that's moving really quickly.
Yeah, no, for sure.
Is your city built in a basin, you know?
Um, yeah, no, I was, I was very, um, that's one thing else I'll give credit to Grenada for
and I'm thankful for is like, I got very acquainted with water very quickly and, uh, then also
at summer camp too, like did the, like, um, lifeguard diving instruction things to like go down
and like grab the rock and all that shit as well. And yeah, just learning to not be afraid in the
water and how to move around and stuff like makes it a way more fun experience to do. But it takes a while
to like integrate all that especially at a young age or so um and um it also helps if the beaches
are very pretty and nice and the water is clear and like and it's not you know um some of the
there's mud pit Canadian beaches that exist here where it's like man you tried this is
technically a beach you've you dropped some dirt
near some water and you kind of said yeah you can go in there it's not going to get you too sick
and called it a day fuck those things let's just go swim in the hudson uh but that was a fun
little uh fun little experience had a good time wonderful cool cool uh as for games uh i continue
to beeline xenoblade i have made it uh more than halfway through that game already
which is fucking ridiculous it took me four streams
to pass my old self from 2011,
which is disgusting.
Disgusting.
Are you aware of or keeping track of,
like, things being missed at all?
Yeah, more or less.
Is that part of the data?
The main thing is that Xenoblade has, like,
a lot of, like, MMO-style quests
about going to get bare-asses
and exploring the environment.
And so, like, when I pull up the map,
you can see the fog of war
and where you haven't.
Okay.
Like shown it, and it's a fucking straight line.
It, like, I have maps that look like lines.
Because what I think will make be lighting even better is if there was like a spreadsheet
that was just 15 rows of bare-ass collection missions to see how completely, to see how skippable
and worthless those things are.
So I'm picking up every side quest.
I'm not going out of my way to do any of them.
So there is a big old list of just incomplete quests.
Okay.
you know that game rules
I feel that game rules and is so
so much more Zeno than I had
originally thought it was that I could see
like a like a I could see had I actually
played and beat this in
2011 it would have like
shaped your taste my taste
shaped your taste wow Zeno Blade 1 huh
wow okay
very weird
great game what else
I haven't messed around with Sagat yet in 6, but I do have people on my blue sky timeline
that are getting like insanely, insanely Sagat pissed off.
Like, I don't think Sagat players are human, like levels of salty.
And I'm like looking at that and I'm going like, I got to play Sagat.
Are we just,
some Sagat time in.
Are we just returning to the 90s?
Is this just people finding out about the 90s?
So like whenever, whenever I see somebody getting real mad at Sagat on my timeline,
I just post a picture of a tiger and they don't like it, but I like it.
I mean, just put the letter O in front of his name to fucking jump scare a boomer.
you know like this is yeah guess what sagat has never been terrible he's always really good
he's always been super super fucking good so sounds about right but i do but it is funny but it is
interesting to note that like okay so you got to you got to catch word on the winds about about the
salt uh you know the seeing um seeing as eleana i guess didn't uh didn't quite drum up as
much so do you know
Elena didn't cause like
hatred like Sagat did
and the only other thing left
is that so like Paige has actually been playing a lot
of Fear and Hunger 2 she's actually streaming
Fearing Hunger 2 in 2 hours
if you're listening to this live
she is attached to that game
very intensely
and I was like well I played
I played like an hour or two of Termina
you know what I'm going to do I'm going to go back to play
Fear and Hunger 1 because I
don't want to miss out on that by playing a superior one. And the reality of that is that it's
too late. Wait, you went back a second time? No, to Fear and Hunger One. Because, you know,
we talked about that last week when, yeah, I did go back a second time. Okay, okay, okay. The answer is,
is like going back after touching Fear and Hunger 2 is, it's too late. Okay.
Like, the main thing is that Fear and Hunger 1 feels like shit to play.
Like moving around feels awful compared to the second game.
So I would say with the interest of sampling, but knowing that you're going to tap out,
there is a tap out point that you can, you can approach.
And if you ever, if you ever were just like dicking around and because you also, it's also like
restarting blind and going in a different direction and seeing what happens and getting lucky or
whatever. But I would say that like in in in terms of just sampling the the flavors,
crow mauler is is the name of something you can encounter. And I would say that that's a good
place to be like, okay, I see what this is offering. So I want to be really clear here. I am not
talking about the gameplay systems. Or the look. Oh, you just, I'm talking about our
PG maker walking around.
I'm not being able to move diagonally and the way that the screen kind of stutters on every step.
Oh, you could go diagonal and two?
Yeah, dude.
Oh, that's crazy.
Wow.
Holy shit.
I didn't know that.
I'm used to fucking, yeah, I'm gridwalking over here.
So, like, when I play one, every single step I take, I go, ugh.
Like, literally moving the character.
Which is like way, way harder for me to get over than, oh, you know, there's these obtuse.
mechanics and
those, yeah.
Interesting.
And I don't like it
when I complain about this
and people go,
but it's just an RPG maker game.
So's the second one.
Yeah.
It's just a better made
RPG maker.
Well, again, this is a student project.
It is a student project
which was submitted
by Miro
and then later on,
hey, look, people liked it.
Let's make that again
because Berserk is cool.
Did Page TriFunger one at all?
No.
Okay.
No, she's been diving deep on the Funger 2, which was really funny because she,
uh, she accidentally cosplayed one of the characters.
Like, one of the characters is a, is a redhead that wears a yellow jumpsuit.
Okay.
Like, with suspenders.
Okay.
And Paige started up one of her, one of her streams where she's playing as that character wearing
her yellow jumpsuit that she has, that she has.
Cool.
And I was like, did you do that on purpose?
She's like, do what on purpose?
I'm like, okay.
Whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that second game is way better.
Yeah.
That second game is way better.
No, people are booting up that first one and going through it, especially for like a stream with the intent of like feeling, fighting against it and feeling its aggressive bullshit and against.
Oh, no, no.
I want to fight against the game.
I don't want to fight against the controls.
But, but like that they become one in the same at certain point.
There are navigation moments and things on the ground and traps and things to fall into and all kinds of...
Yeah, no, the second one has all those things as well.
It just controls better. That's it.
Well, and in this case, you're like, you're moving on a grid and things are coming up behind you and you just got to make sure you move on a grid.
And in some instances, it doesn't, like, it's not a timing that matters.
It's more precision.
so it's like you can move cardinal directions
to get through this puzzle
or struggle or whatever the case is
you'll take your time but you're just
going to make sure that you stick to four directions
you know what hold on a second
I have somebody in the chat
say I think there's a mod that changes
the movement to feel more like two
Wow
send me that on blue sky
and I will install it and give it another shot
huh
I wonder how that would affect
certain areas
because there's some
there's a lot of stuff that
like is moving diagonal anyway
I don't know I don't know how the
there's also a run button in
Termina oh there's a run
there's a run ability in
Funger 1 but you have to
either have a character that has it or
gain it
oh yeah and there's also a character
um
it's a character in
Funger 2 that has a wheelchair
and so if you encounter
stairs
You have to hit C to get out of your wheelchair to crawl up the stairs.
I mean, in this game, you can have no legs and crawl.
In Funger 1, you can crawl around, you know, and just have to do it with a slow way.
And that's kind of dog shit, but there you are.
Interesting.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
And somebody mentioned it.
I forgot that I talked about it.
I went back to Dragon Quest 11 because I never got very far in that game at all.
and as I was playing it
and having a really good time
and just like
I'm playing it like four or five years later
and I'm playing it like a dad
instead of like a gamer
if that makes any sense
like I'm taking way longer
and just chilling the fuck out
and it's very nice
and as I was playing it
I could feel
the emotional beginning
of the most annoying
take possible
with the shittiest discourse ever
and it was
man
it'd be really cool
if Final Fantasy
made an old style
game that but
that was new
I would really like that
if they just made
a new Final Fantasy
5, 6 or 9
that would be really cool
if they did that
oh boy
Yep, yep, yep.
Well, you know, we live in a world with remake fucking 16 and Clare Obscure.
So take your pick.
Go in the direction you want to go in.
Or the full-on, yeah.
I want the version of the game where it says Final Fantasy on it,
and it looks like a new version of the old game, but it's just...
I can get you the one that doesn't say Final Fantasy on it.
No.
Well...
So I decide.
I brought that up
and then I got into
the horrible
bloodstained discussion
which is like
Bloodstain's cool
but got no Dracula
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm
Octopath Traveler
and so on
Octopath Traveler is not
a goddamn Final Fantasy game
That is a saga game
Um
And you know
When I played
I mean when I played that
Pixel remaster of six
I thought that was pretty well done
You know
That was cool
They should make another one of those
That's what I think
Yeah, I just, I don't
I don't imagine
Square goes the path of like
Mega Man 9 and 10 on this
You know
Yeah
Even though
Yeah
That you know
If I could think about
Mega Man 9 10 and 11
I can think
Wow those games were absolutely
Incredible
Good thing they didn't keep making those
Because I had a really
A lot of fun playing them
And really enjoyed them a lot
imagine this timeline where they made a numbered like retro style ff game and it was amazing and everything was about it was great but simply due to the times that we live in it ends up being a complete flop right yeah like how depressing would that be
that'd be extraordinarily depressing i really don't think that would happen but that's just my own i think i think i i think you
To everyone saying that Bravely Default
is a Final Fantasy game, it's not. It's literally
not. Don't stop. Stop. Stop it.
I think the way they'd get away with it is if they basically
made two numbers at the same time. And then just went,
we're going to sacrifice one on this. I mean, they're already
doing that, aren't they? Yeah, yeah, kind of.
They did 60, and they did remake and remake two.
Yeah, and like, you know, and here's the one for people with
taste that can appreciate quality. And here's the other one,
that is the slop that, you know, we, but it's
expensive quintuple-A slop.
I don't want to get too deep into it
because it's the most frustrating thing at all
but people saying that Bravely Default
is a Final Fantasy game
because it has the subtitle Flying Fairy
didn't get far enough into that game
to realize just how stupid
that very very very specific point is
I can't say anymore without spoiling a bunch of stuff
I always thought that
that specific argument is like the dumbest
thing conceivable.
What little
I know, I do know that like
the name of the game based on
the way that its whole job system works
is distinctly what makes it
unique and not a Final Fantasy game, right?
I can't.
Okay, all right, all right, all right.
We dance, we dance.
Well, anyway,
um,
uh, uh, uh, uh, um, yeah.
That's, that's, that's, that's, that's fine.
Uh, if you want to see more stuff from Pat,
Pat this coming week
you can go down to Twitch.tv
slash Pat Stairs at. I'll be
playing ragebound
more B-lining Xenoblade
and then on Saturday
I'm going to be starting a new segment
that people kept asking me about called
a link to the Pats
where I will be playing games
from 15 to 20 years ago
and I'm going to do that goddamn
Rocket Night Adventures LP that I never
got to do.
Not
Spark
I can't have that conversation again.
I wasn't going to ask about Sparkster.
I was going to inquire where you track down the Xbox Live Arcade game.
That's fucking, oh, wow, that's, wow, you were ready.
That's a feat.
You were ready.
We don't talk about that thing.
That one got memory hold.
That got memory hold.
I got to say, dude, I saw it look bad.
and then I just never even
followed up on it at all
after it came out
like I just kind of pretended it didn't come out
and just ignored it completely
I want to
Is it even really bad or is it just like
Oh it's terrible
It's terrible, it's terrible
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no no
I want to say I actually booted it up
And went in, yeah, yeah, yeah, no
Yeah
for sure
Fuck
Um
Hmm
All right
Well, all right
Well, yeah look forward to that
And that's it for me
Um, unless, uh, do you have this 2XCO interview from your gamer on here?
Uh, I, yeah, I do. Um, I, I, like, until the game launches, there's not much else to say, really, but they,
oh, I don't want to talk about the game. I want to talk about the interview. But I did notice
that the term freaky pick came up. The wording of freaky pick came up and I'm like, huh.
Yeah, we talk about freak picks. Yeah, we're talking about freak pits. That's cool. I want to give a
shout out. I don't even care
about the content of the article. I want to give
a shout out to
Connor McCar, the staff writer
over at Eurogamer, who
has done my favorite interview
I've ever seen with a fighting game dev
in which he interviewed
Tom Cannon and Sean Rivera
separately, and then like just combine
the answers, in which he
asked them eight times in a row
yo, why is your roster so shit?
I mean,
that's every single time
like it's why did the team pick
I would say
not worded exactly like that
but the questioning
the source of the question being like
how did you pick what you picked
what did you pick them what's to be expected
right the picks of and then like what are we looking
what are we looking at when it comes to future character picks
what are we coming what are we getting robots are we getting freak picks what's
coming did you pick the character
characters because they're popular.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Is that why you pick them?
And, um, and it sounds like freak-picks incoming, uh, eventually.
It's very interesting to see, finally someone got them to actually say, well, there's
wizards and yordels and monsters.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And robots, we could put all sorts of things in here.
The, the, the, the, uh, it sounds like freak, freak pick, freak picks incoming, uh,
over time, eventually.
So, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,
the deal.
I fucking love that interview.
I absolutely love it.
I'm so glad.
I want to
fucking play more, really.
I don't.
Until they add
a fucking character I really
would like to play as, please.
Yeah.
Like I got my entire fill out of
Darius and I'llawi in the
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We're doing it. We're doing it.
We're doing it
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Okay.
So for a second, I thought I saw Skong News, and it turned out it was Skong derangement syndrome.
Yeah, we're...
So when is that stupid museum thing going to happen with Skong?
I don't know, but they actually have to do.
Gamescom is supposed to be when things are occurring, right?
I've woken up twice at five in the morning over the past two weeks, just in case Skong.
Don't do that.
But, Wully, but if there is Skong, it will be in the one I miss.
Just don't.
Just stop.
It's...
Wully?
Let the ghost disappear.
It's fun.
No.
Also, I cover all of these every time just in case there's, you know...
That's true, too.
Not necessarily Skong.
Yeah.
But there's, like, dusk bloods.
But I think what happened...
Right?
Like...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think what had to happen was Nintendo posted a thing saying,
hey, see you at Gamescom, and Skong was in Silk Song, that is what we're talking about,
was in the list of games.
then there was a Nintendo Direct, and people thought maybe the fact that they were talking about
GamesCom would mean that it would show up into Nintendo Direct, but then it didn't.
And all I can say is that, like, if that's what happened, then people were gassing themselves
up over nothing on that, because it said GamesCom in the original tweet, right?
So, again, skong derangement syndrome.
When's the Gamescom?
When's the GameSong live?
Gamescom live with the Jeff Keely?
What is that?
Is that this fucking week?
Did I mean, did I fucking not?
Oh, my God, it's this fucking...
In German time?
No, it's next Tuesday.
It's next Tuesday.
That sucks!
Oh, that's right around the corner.
Ooh, yeah, that is next Wednesday, actually.
Oh, Wednesday because of the time?
Yes.
So, uh, if you count time zones, it's the 20th Wednesday to the 24th.
What, what time is...
No, no, no, I'm talking about gamescom live.
Jeff Keely show
What the fuck is CST
Opening night live is
August 19th
Central
Yeah
What the fuck is a CST
Okay so it's Tuesday
It is Tuesday
At 6, 9 hours ahead
8 p.m. CST
So
It starts at
7.30 p.m.
It's a
So nine hours.
Central Central Standard time is an hour back from Montreal time.
No, but it's not Central Standard Time.
CST?
Yeah, it's Europe time.
Central European summertime.
Yeah, no, this thing's going to start at 11 a.m. next Tuesday.
Yeah.
We're going to have to move that shit over.
just live okay woolly you can start the podcast by yourself just live and then i'll join you
once the the fucking thing is over just look out the window at the at the beautiful sky and just live
you know hug your family how i do that when i'm not here
Oh boy
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm
Wully, I want you to know
I get it
That your chill
attitude
Is not appreciated
And like good for you
In the context of doing
This video game news podcast
And go
Yeah, don't watch the show
You are nuts
You are a fucking crazy person
yeah it's fine it's been fine it's fine it's fine we're all okay yeah yeah no i um i was talking
about this elsewhere but uh i was remarking that like as somebody who does uh feel the
cynicism poisoning
welling up like a like a fucking
symbiate
inside of that's your cross to bear for sure
the cynicism poisoning
as someone who who's
experiences that element of it
these events are the most
concentrated hater
vibes it's ever been
it is it is miserable
it is fucking miserable
but hey
but hey hey hey
my cynicism
poisoning does get really intense
but then that cool thing
happens but then the cool thing happens
but then the cool thing happens yeah yeah
but when the cool thing doesn't happen
we are venom
oh mad
you know
yeah it's just
yeah that's all
all right
well in any case
um
the the that's that is
that is going to happen and I guess
I don't know.
We'll talk about it else when to figure out what will move where.
In the meantime, though, hey, it looks like, it looks like Marathon is going to happen.
It seems like Marathon is expected to release before March.
And with that, with the release of Marathon will come the
unrelease of
Bungi's freedoms.
Sony says
that Bungi's independence
is getting lighter.
The launch will happen.
We're now fixing problems.
It looks like basically
the process of not canceling this game
has led to
the studio not closing,
but effectively
becoming more and more
of just a direct Sony studio.
They didn't outright say it's
being swallowed, but it's...
No, they're taking over from the fucking C-suite.
The C-suite that robbed them and then
fucking rushed everything out the door to get their
bonuses, they're losing control.
Those specific guys. So that's,
like, I'm surprised they didn't just
go, we're melting,
we're molding you all in, right?
So that is
going to happen when the game
misses its March date.
Okay.
We test the waters here.
That is going to happen.
when the game completely blows past this March date to, like, holiday of next year.
Okay.
That makes sense.
And then they're going to absorb them into the company entirely.
Because this, after all of the fucking, after the stolen art, after the insane, like, retexturing of the game.
And then, of course, the actual gameplay, which people were like, what the fuck.
And that didn't go too well and everything.
The cost inflation here is, I'm surprised at how much.
mild this consequences
all things considered, you know?
Well, because by like,
I have a sneaking suspicion
because these business guys
don't actually do business with their brains
they do it with their chest. I have
a sneaking suspicion that
pulling the rip cord and being like, we have
to absorb the company would
also include the fact
that you'd have to say, I made
a huge mistake allowing this
to happen. Huge mistake. Huge
mistake. And that is not
that is not a viable
path forward to admit that
maybe, maybe
buying that company for $4 billion
was like the stupidest thing you've ever done in your life.
I
know that in the previous times
we were covering this
I believe the
statement was cut the check or die
I don't know what anti-reel
the artist who was stolen from is up to
but it would be interesting to see
if they had a new car anytime sued
or if they suddenly
pulled up
pulled up
I hope they get something
in a Bugatti
it would be interesting
to see what's going on
if anything
not likely of course
you know
but it would be funny
yeah
marathon not canceled
but a stricter leash
on bungee
until proven otherwise
I suppose
oh I'm going to tell you
right now
marathon will not be canceled
however we may get
end of service. Sorry, guys. It's been a blast announcement within the next 30 months.
Well, at least if Sony's taking over the C-suite, then I suppose that art director that keeps
stealing will no longer be able to steal. That mysterious...
Yeah, I'd just go in there and be like, stop stealing it. Stop it. That mysterious art director
that keeps appearing and disappearing from the, you know, the roster.
that's that's the blame um maybe that maybe he won't reappear anytime soon you know four
cases in two years is fucking crazy Jesus Christ bungee um well tangentially related to um things that
were once bungee ish uh hell divers two had a trailer yeah bring the boom
And after showing off all the new stuff going on,
there was a little bit of slippery jazz at the end of that trailer.
And folks are extrapolating that...
Is that some ODST music?
That might be a John Halos thing.
I think ODST is like the most obvious shit in the fucking world for Hell Divers
if it's going to come out on the Xbox.
Why ODST particularly?
Because ODSTs are not John Halos.
ODSTs are human guys with lots of guns like a hell diver
Okay, so to grab people that are not Spartans
For fucking put Spartans next to hell divers
That's just ridiculous
Right, but I guess
For lore purposes
I'm sure they're strict about the armor and what types of shit you could get
So that would probably
Yeah, but also like ODSTs
They drop from orbit like a hell diver
Like it's a one thing
That's right. True, true, true, true, true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. True, true. Okay. Although, I mean, there's not going to be much detectiving and investigating as you fight for super democracy here. Oh, is there a bug over there? I've detected it.
It is interesting and funny, though, how, like, yeah, all these years later, and even when I was playing through it that first time, it's like the standout thing and the reason why everyone remembers this Knoxpot. It's because it's because of the music. It's because of that theme that plays when you're walking around the streets.
and it's it's you know it's a halo game and and the pacing is different and and it's it's just
it's a chiller vibe of a thing that you know in talking about this i found people describing an
interview in which the devs were like oh yeah we want tons of crossovers like what about imperial
guard from warhammer and i'm like oh listen okay hold on do that hold on so if we're not
allowed to use John Halos, but we're allowed to use
not space marines, Wully, the Imperial Guard.
Are they the regular humans?
Okay, okay.
So the condition is it has to be the regular people from the, from the,
well, it has to be a character that like, so if you're like, I would like to have a
re-use skin in my fighting game, are you going to put it on fucking soul bad guy?
Are you going to put it on Robo-Coy or Eddie?
No, you're going to have cosplay so that people can put the headband on and just do like gestures, or you do the full akuma and Monster Hunter, right?
But there's a bunch of times where they go, no, it's just cosplay, though, you know?
Because like Dead by Daylight's a good example.
It's where they're like, oh, they have all these horror game characters that you can use the skins of or the characters of.
It's like, well, you know what you do?
You put Leon in and you know what you do to him?
You don't let him have a gun.
Okay, so what does he do?
He runs away.
All the characters are functionally identical.
Mm-hmm.
An Imperial Guard, an ODST, and a Helldiver is basically the same guy.
I mean, I find it way more interesting to go with something like that's not just an obvious,
hey, look, it's Master Chief, you know?
But I'm surprised that it's kind of like, oh, you, it's not just treated like cosmetic armor
as opposed to like the lore mattering in that context.
They also had the Killzone boys in there, the Hellgas looking dudes.
Right.
Like anyone who is more special.
than a regular dude
or a regular human
it's almost like
yeah well cosmetics
can do whatever you want
but I could see like
I could see like
if they
if you wanted to do a John Halo
what you would do
is you would actually have
it be like a
a stratagem
to call him in
it would be like
drop a John Halo
onto the map
the guy just drops in
and just runs off
and just shoot
sure sure sure yeah
anything can be a stratagem
yeah yeah
also I mean
if you're crossing
over like do you just do the obvious and grab fucking starship troopers you know while you're at it
like would people even be able to tell the difference like it's so obvious it's so one-to-one
their your face would be exposed by the helmet that's about it you know or oh no because the rough
necks have their covered masks too actually so yeah you could you could completely you could
completely mask it um anyway so there was that
um what else is going on okay so this article is really poorly named it says you can't play battlefield
six and valorant at the same time and it's actually very accurately named it's just confusing
in in its situation yeah the strangeness of i saw that and i was like okay is it because of the
anti-cheat? And it's like, yes. I was like, so?
Like, what's the use case
for, oh, I can't boot these two
things because, like, that makes that...
I can understand why it's like, oh, I can't switch
between two games and have them running,
but the anti-cheat is not
compatible is one thing. But it turns out
no, no, no, no. The anti-cheat
means you cannot install Battlefield
or
Valorant at the same
time. So you can,
this is where it gets really confusing.
So Valerant's anti-cheet.
wants you to
like when you install Valerant
you install the game and then it wants you
to restart your computer
so that it can anti-cheat onto your shit
yes Vanguard right vanguard takes over the
bios level
and then if you install battlefield
battlefield goes
hey there's somebody interfering
with the kernel level
ant what the fuck
javelin so
And it goes the other way also.
So I think what's happening here is the way to get around this is that if you want to play battlefield,
you have to fucking turn off the riot anti-cheat and then restart your PC so that the battlefield anti-cheat is the one that kicks in.
But then if you go to Valerat, it goes, hey, something's messing with the curve.
You got to restart the computer.
So you'd have to turn off Battlefield's anti-cheat and then fucking, oh my God, it's so stupid.
It's so stupid.
And also, people were hacking in the fucking Battlefield beta within hours of its launch.
So this is-
It doesn't even work.
It doesn't even work.
So this is kind of what I want to know here is like, this sounds really dumb to not
to have two things that you, two games you want to play, fight each other over the installation process.
Um, and this is, of course, a, you know, PC issue because, like, consoles or whatever fucking consoles, but, um, when it comes to this level of, like, required kernel level anti-cheat sophistication, because cheats are that aggressive, like, how do you then, how do you actually keep up, you know, like, is there other, other solutions to this? Are there things here? Are there decisions that are being made?
where it's like it doesn't have to be this aggressive or is it just that the
cheating has literally just progressed to this level where you have to do this
otherwise people will ruin the experience every time so people are pointing out in the
chat that there's there's cheats and aimbots that work on like the image being
presented on your screen yes don't interact with the game at all yes yeah it's just
means they're what are you gonna fucking do right that's just the high tech version of
playing
Data Feet or Call of Duty
and taking a magic marker
and poking the perfect sight
in the dead center of your monitor
so that when they try and give you a sniper rifle
and remove the site on it
you'd be like yeah but I know where it is
and I think some of them are also like
oh if it detects you're running one of those
like image recognition things like
and it knows what it's part of the database
of what it knows you're running
exactly right
and I don't
definitely see each time that it's like, yeah, people can still cheat even with these
kernel level anti-cheat things in place. But I guess I'm just kind of thinking, I'm like,
okay, like, they can. Um, what, what do you, what do you do? Do you then go, all right, fuck
it. So then people can cheat easier and just go like, never mind or I don't know how you
solve this problem. Like, is, it's, because this is a stupid thing that is happening. And if
PC games kind of have to go into this arms race
of multiple things you're playing
all fighting against each other on the kernel level.
That shit sucks,
but I can't,
and I don't know what the solution is to this is supposed to be.
So I do have a solution.
There is a player solution,
and then there is a,
um,
um,
industry solution.
So the player solution for most of this,
uh,
it will not solve 100% of it,
but we'll solve about 90% of it.
of it is play the game
on a console and turn off crossplay with
PC
Hmm
That actually also works for fighting games
That works for whatever
Whatever you want to play is that
That's unfortunate
Cut cheating like by 80%
Stop playing with people on PC
And that's unfortunately not viable for a large
percentage of players
Oh it also sucks too
One of the games we're talking about is Battlefield man
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
Like what are we talking about
um from the industry perspective um it's our good friend capital who have fucked us on this one
see i don't i don't you know i don't think i've ever asked you this were you like into any
shooters like back in like 95 to like 2005 like 2005 like pc shooters multiplayer i'm gonna go with
probably not because you have that first person shooter motion sickness shit uh yeah i i i played
a bit, a little bit of Quake through
Quakerina rather, and
when I was installing, bid for power
mods and unreal
shit, but, you know.
Okay, so,
Quake, Doom, Unreal Tournament,
day defeat, Counterstrike,
Unreal Tournament 2004, etc.
There was a legitimate solution to this problem,
and that was
player-hosted servers.
The way that you played,
we're loading into global matchmaking,
you're going down a server list and going this bunch of servers looks cool and then you would go in there and some dip shit had total human power over everything and goes oh this guy's this guy's oh he's cheat oh he's cheat fuck him and just would ban them forever and that person would then lose interest and go to some other more poorly regulated server however it can go the exact opposite way no that's not the problem and yeah no
Yeah, I got, you get banned for swearing, you get banned for being gay,
you get banned for what, like a million different reasons, right?
But the reason why server lists became unpopular from the industry is that what they want
is for you to globally matchmake with the maximum amount of different players possible
so that you can see the maximum amount of cosmetics possible.
Right.
and you can be exposed to a extraordinarily large player base
that will incentivize you spending micro-transaction money.
And the infinite horse race of,
we've got to get ahead of the cheaters
is not to protect the gameplay experience
is you're not going to buy skins unless you can play the game
and it doesn't suck shit.
Also, private servers means you can play the game after we end of services.
It sure does.
It sure does.
so that's the solution is allow private servers and then people can sort that out themselves
or they can have a private server where they play with you know 60 people from their their high school
or battlefield's one of the games we're talking about right battlefield was an excellent style of game
for having a private server because it would be 50 v 50 so you would just have like you know
your entire college this was the fucking server or your
your job or your place of business
or social club or whatever the
fuck use the server
and then not only on top of that
are you using like
you know infrastructure tools like
banning but you're also like
hey
Jimmy from accounting
he fucking uses AIMBot
I watch the spectate Jimmy
that motherfucker cheats and
would have in person human social
pressure but now
we don't do that anymore
and now we go into the global list.
See, the thing is, is, like, that alternate reality where, like, things developed differently could be one way.
But I'm also envisioning kind of, like, especially now the whole streamlined experience that you get with most games and the idea of a Wild West server list being the way that people who are looking for a streamlined experience kind of interface with that.
And I could see how that would potentially turn some people off or create some friction or make them go, like, ah, then what...
The ideal scenario is you have both options.
Yeah, because if you go in and the first experience you have and second, third, and fourth experience you have are all insane private servers where one is nothing but cheaters, and then the others are just, like, horrendously awful experiences.
I joined some, you know, toxic day of servers in my life.
So, you know, so like, genuinely awful servers.
So, like, if you pay, if you pay, if you pay, if you pay $60 and then you boot.
up and you press start game and you wind up on
fucking B on 4chan
like that's going to be
that's not going to be a good
time for everybody right
so yeah I think
I think
that allowing the
worst people you could ever
play in a game to
quarantine themselves to their
own shit hole has real
value options having the options
makes sense I genuinely
think that
But when it comes down to it, the arms race of cheaters on the main servers, or ranked, if the game has ranked and you need to have some sort of, you know, stable, recognized main server that you must connect to and that has nothing to do with a bunch of private servers, because people are being competitive about these games, too.
Then you're kind of getting dropped back into this same problem that we have here, you know?
and you're in an arms race with people who are cheating
and like I don't know how much further we go
from where we're at on this kernel level takeover thing
but I ultimately am like I see no fully
full clear solutions to what we've got
do you do you
um so let's let's cycle back to bungee for a second
so in Destiny 2 there's a PVP mode called trials of Osiris
and trials of Osiris is a
it's a multiplayer scrim
in which you have to continually
win more and more matches
in order to raise up in ranks
and as you raise up in ranks
you end up fighting people who have won more
and more and more matches. So in order to get to
the absolute top rank, you have to win like
I want to say it's like 13, 14 matches in a row.
So every match is streakers
versus streakers.
When Des, when Trasvo Cyrus
was implemented four or five
years ago, I played it
the first weekend.
And it was like the most cheater-ridden fucking shithole ever.
And I just, it was crazy.
It was crazy.
And people were fucking mad about it because there's unique rewards that you can only get by getting to the lighthouse, which is all the wins.
And I just like for funsies typed in trials of Osiris cheating.
And up comes a video from June 10th, 2025.
basically describing that the problem has never gotten any better at all.
Man, yeah, okay.
Because right now with what you just described,
I'm envisioning, imagine somebody, imagine Timmy over here,
who's got those FOMO goblins on collecting the cosmetics you're describing,
who goes, well, the idea of me missing out on that content is worse for me
than just cheating and how that feels.
so I don't want to cheat
but fuck it
I want to not miss out more
and if everyone else is cheating
yeah
then I
it's time to cheat
absolutely right
I can I can 100% see that pipeline
I didn't want to
but it's the only way to get the armor
and it's like everyone else is doing it
so fuck this
there's also
and this is just to shit on Bungee a little bit
because I think it's fun and fuck them
there's also a recent controversy
where there is a
Trials of Light, I think it's an ornament
for one of your weapons
that you can
only have if you get to the lighthouse
which is winning all of your games, right?
Then you still have to pay
for it.
Real dollars.
So your ultimate victory
at being the best in the game of PVP
is the right to buy
a micro-transaction.
Earned to
Earned to buy
Earn to buy is wild
Terrible
Wow
Yeah you know what's a really good example
So earlier today you talked about project
I want to say Project Gotham Racing
That's wrong
That's a different PGR
You talked about punishing Grey Raven
And we talked about ZZZ and whatnot
And you just said that
We have like talking about the gameplay
had not factored into a huge portion of that conversation whatsoever.
Horrendous.
And this is like a really good example of why talking about Bungy is so weird
because that conversation is always in two parts.
The gameplay is incredible.
Everything around it.
Your ability to get to it.
The actual worst thing you've ever seen in a game.
Yep.
And, you know, we've watched as talking about them covering this industry over the years
as that extra secondary thing has become more and more.
the conversation. Oh, it was a P5X. That was what it was about. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, it is, it is, it is my single
most hated thing. Just the fact that, like, you can have a full conversation about a game and
that has, that has nothing to do with how it actually plays or getting to its content, because
it's just the entire fucking, uh, economy around it. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's, that's
ridiculous, man. It also makes me think about Street Fighter 6 because we've joked about like,
oh man, what's the drama about Street Fighter 6? Costumes don't come fast enough.
Mm-hmm.
The end?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So I don't know if it's a genre thing, too, as well,
but, like, for sure, people are online cheating and Street Fighter,
and they're getting caught, and people are...
Oh, they cheat.
People are finding those replays and going, like,
oh, yeah, this person's sussie.
Block them, ban him, and get them out of here.
Tech end replays, you're seeing cheaters as well and stuff.
Yeah, but the fighting games that cause a weird situation
is if you cheat constantly, you're going to rock it to the absolute
peak of matchmaking
at which point the peak
players are just going to block you and move up
but like cheating in an
in a FPS
you're in you're cheating
simultaneously with 15 other people
or 30 other people or whatever
the you know what I mean and
like you're simultaneously ruining
more experiences
compared to the one person you're
matched up within a fighting game
yeah I've I've played against a care
a guy who I'm pretty sure was cheating in street
Fighter 6 and I just like held up my hands like ah this motherfucker can you believe this like the
average the match was over and I moved on the average um amount of game ruining that a cheater in a
fighting game can do is you know maybe like 30 people in a night in a in a good session versus
I could ruin it for 30 people in 10 minutes that's that's right so it's a much yeah the effects are
like fucking much more pronounced in these in these situations also this is a very strong note to
the valorant battlefield situation um the fact that you cannot reasonably install and play both
of these games conveniently is annoying as fuck but riot and EA likely see these as features oh you're
really into valorant oh it'd be really hard for you to start playing battlefield
Hmm
It'd be really annoying
You should probably just keep playing
Valerent
I wouldn't have thought about them as direct competitors
But I guess
Oh we're gone
Oh shit
Oh we're coming back
I guess we're coming back
I can see the
Can you can you
Are you there?
Can you hear me?
I'm yeah I'm here
Okay
You said you wouldn't think of them as direct
Competitors in
In that sense
shooters
yeah in general
I would have thought
you know
obviously the counter strike
or whatever else
is coming in
but yeah
yeah the idea that like
oh you can install
the competition
sure
the other thing
and this is like
this is like
maybe the most
vicious point on it possible
which is like
I'd rather play
battlefield than 2XCO
I mean
I just don't
yeah i like i don't know where to go with this besides just like yeah no no no but like that's not
even specific to me like this is a feature right like this is this is like i play fighting games i
play battlefield games when they're good right but like i'm way less likely to play valerent
2x ko on my pc because i'm more likely to play battlefield on my pc and it's a massive pain
in the ass to have them both like this is a feature this is like call of duty
flooding your fucking Xbox
with like a 380 gig
game install
I do not believe
for a second
that Call of Duty
can't fucking crush that down
Um
a large lobby
online game
with a cheater in it
is
way more discouraging for me
like if someone was cheating
in a game of Apex for
example and it's like I'm playing fucking how long has this round been going and this cheater has
been wasting all of our time yeah um is so much worse for me compared to 90 seconds and we're out
i have definitely told a variation of the story on my stream multiple times i don't know
if i've told it on the podcast but it's like on the one hand this is all a bunch of
like nonsense capital fucking dirtbag industry shit
On the other hand, I have played a first-person shooter that did absolutely nothing to stop a cheating epidemic.
And I stopped playing it, and I never looked back.
And that was PubG.
PubG did absolutely nothing to stop cheating for, like, I want to say, like, over a year.
And that game would have spectators.
like you get spectator mode of the guy who killed you
yeah right and I would die
it was I quit right when the second map came out
you would die and then it would show you where the person was
and they were so far away
that their model didn't even spawn in on the replay
they were like multiple kilometers away
and had shot me through terrain
and I lost like 10 games in a row like that
is it
And it was like, oh, I'm never, ever going to play this again.
And I never did.
I never loaded it back up.
And I'm going to assume that applies to all of the kind of like jank,
PubG type games that were at the time with the, um, um, uh, uh, the games were like,
where essentially it was made as a, what the fuck was it called?
Well, no, World War Z, but, um, you're thinking of Arma?
you're thinking of
I was gonna say Arma
but not Daisy Daisy Daisy is what I'm trying to think of
yes things like Daisy right
where it's kind of like
yeah this is built on fucking Twigs
you know first and foremost and you're getting that
experience really falling apart
like massive massive amounts of cheating
that's almost like part of
like this is this is not at all
a a polished
experience per se
yeah
it just it feels so much worse
in that genre it feels
so, so much worse to me.
And also, like, one of the things that you compare it against,
and, like, before anyone says, I'm sure it happens,
I play, there was a part of my time where I played, like, a lot of Fortnite.
I played, like, maybe five, six, 700 games of Fortnite.
And I got maybe, you know, 50, 60 victory royals.
There were, like, a couple seasons I went really hard on it.
And I was like, this is a really great experience.
I was playing it on my console.
I did not encounter one example of, like,
oh, this motherfucker's cheating.
right you know not like oh that was oh he was really good it was like oh my fucking god and um part of
that is that they have absolutely infinite resources to deal with this fortnight heads infinite
resources to deal this but the other part is that like most of that games player base is split
amongst like 10 different consoles and phones yeah yeah yeah you're on everything and you're
playing with kids.
They're less likely to download cheats
because they're not businessmen
who know how to do the computer.
There was one other thing about the PubG cheating situation
that was remarkably awful.
And that was, it had global matchmaking
and it got really, really dicey
and really, really toxic
because it was pretty clear
that most of the cheating
was coming from
Chinese players
Oh
Okay
Okay
The people were
Please
Separate matchmaking by region
Please
And they just didn't
Yep that gets ugly
And they just didn't
That gets really ugly
Mm-hmm
And then
What you would expect to happen
Starts to happen
Yep
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm
Mm-hmm
Yeah I wonder if
you know, fast forwarding, um, if there's, if there's just like an even more aggressive
version of like locking your computer down to play a ranked version of, of, to play a
ranked mode in one of these games, you know, it comes into play. If there's a,
I, I genuinely believe we will hit a moment in like 10 years where, um, a first person
shooter is going to ask you to boot your PC into safe mode or, or like, to play the game.
boot to the game booting up
and like you cannot minimize it, you
cannot do anything. You start the
game and it restarts your computer
into the game and like you need to turn
your computer off to leave to do it.
I can totally see that. I can
totally see that happening.
And it's not going to work.
And that's the care. It's not going to work.
Someone will run that inside of an
instance and an emulator and then have the
cheat running outside of that instance and then
find a way to, yeah. The arms race is
forever, right?
For sure.
Yeah, bring back DOS, baby.
Wait, I'm sorry, people are saying BF6 actually does that.
Get the fuck out of here. No shot.
Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I want more.
Wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no, no.
Oh, no, they're talking about Secure Poot.
They don't know what they're talking about.
Okay, no, no, no.
Secure Poot is a, is a, um,
bios level function about trusted software.
No, no, no. I'm talking about you want to play the game.
Okay, cool.
Shut everything down.
We'll restart.
and when Windows restarts
we're just running the game
and you cannot do anything else with your computer
until you restart again.
This is like really tangential
but so you know chat GPT
is an issue in academia right?
So have you
have you been catching a look
at like the anti-chat
GPT measures?
Like the
dropping the text into a detector
stuff that teachers are doing?
No, fuck that.
No, now we have, you're going to write your essay inside of this app.
And the app is going to track your keystrokes.
It's going to track your look time.
It's going to track your copy paste.
It's going to track all this shit.
Okay.
And then the second one, if you're not doing that, is you must record and or live stream you doing this exam with a camera pointed at you and your screen.
I've done that
You've done that?
I've done that for driving
Yeah
I've done the part of the exam was camera on
People looking at you
What are you looking at? What are you doing?
Yeah
100%
And it's like
It's just going to move to fully in person
All work is just going to be in person
Okay okay so casual and player match
You do whatever you want
Go nuts, who cares
But the moment you go to rank
The eye detector turns
on and you have to accept it
the you know
the eye tracker
the full reboot
like every sweaty
secondary app
starts to come into play
at that point
man
by the way
this is totally off topic
barely tangential
if you're part of the audience
that's using chat GPT to do
your exams or cheat in schoolwork
I want you to stop doing
that not because it's wrong
It is wrong, but you are actively damaging your brain and giving yourself the equivalent of a large-grade concussion.
You are hurting your brain.
Go on.
For real.
I'm not joking.
Diminishing the ability to reach for those answers, put things together.
You are working on giving yourself early onset dementia.
I am so serious about that.
But Pat, the marketplace demands it.
It's not even true.
Yeah, I, yeah, like.
The invisible hand of the free market can jerk me off.
Thank you.
No, the most insane counterpoint I've seen has been,
the argument I've seen has been,
no, but jobs are going to need you to work with chat GPT in the future,
so you might as well get a handle on it now.
In fact, the ones who are doing it the most
are going to have the best advantage.
And it's like,
so.
You have to get in on these NFTs right now when they're cheap.
For your future.
All right.
Speaking of AI.
You're fucking sick.
GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft.
The CEO resigns, and a couple months ago earlier this year, it joined the core AI team at Microsoft's AI engineering, and today means they no longer have a single leader, the CEO left, and it's more closely getting integrated into Microsoft's core AI team.
Hey, that's awesome. Has anyone ever used OneDrive? I used it once by accident and had to troubleshoot my computer for hours to get my shit back.
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. That's wild. I spend turned on when I reinstalled Windows and it took some of my files away and they just left. It just left.
Oh, I'm taking that first hour of every reinstallation to remove the cancer that is One Drive and everything else. Yeah. And it's all, again, but it's always impressive to see how aggressive Edge gets because Edge gets.
like super jealous and angry.
It's like forever cucked.
It's really impressive.
Truly, the most, like, you know,
for a browser with a name like Edge,
you know, it's like, is that because Edge is edging
watching you use Chrome?
Oh, that was so, so much more intense
than I thought you were going to say.
You know, edging is all it can do as it watches you
and the browser you want to be with.
Maybe I'm like hallucinating this.
Maybe my brain is just failing, but I feel like I've like seen a prompt on my computer from Edge that was like, come on.
Yeah, no, you did.
And, and not only did you see Give Edge a chance, but you saw multiple versions of it because like keeping track, there's the first version, which is as soon as you open up the browser.
And then there's the second version, which is once you go to the Chrome website, and it goes, oh, hey, whoa, hey, I know where you going.
Now hold on.
I'm going to download Chrome or Firefox right in front of you.
And then there's a third one when you specifically go to install it and or set it as the default browser, right, in the system.
And like it has multiple layers of plea way, no, hey, hey, you know, and then you run out and then it's getting in front of the door.
And it's like standing in, like, just lock in the door and go, no, no, no, don't you leave yet.
hold on like it has so many layers of desperation on the way out um but yeah no one drive you need to you need to straight up get like um spyware removal shit to get that off your your computer um anyways github the giant fucking repository that everyone has been uploading everything to for i mean i feel like it's been a solid decade and a half now i don't i don't know it's it feels like it's been forever uh yeah
Yeah, has now getting fully integrated into the AI engineering team.
So that's good stuff.
This sucks so bad.
I can't even.
It's like it is going to take a little while for this to kick in.
Every independent developer is just like drinking themselves to death over this.
Just the worst.
Now listen, as somebody who like, despite the fact that I, you know, have some,
I have some knowledge of when I was building my computer.
back in the day and stuff.
I have struggled over the last 15 years
to find the way to install things
off of a GitHub page
because like flip a coin
as to whether or not
I'm accidentally installing the repository
or a branch
or one of the things because...
Oh, I suck at using GitHub.
I'm just, I'm being super real.
I'm going to be super real right now.
I kind of miss
the days of scrolling down to install now.
And GitHub,
I, every time I go to GitHub, I'm like, where's the
fucking...
Oh, my God!
Why is release is over the side?
Now, programmers?
Why isn't it just a big old download button?
Programmers, I understand.
It's super useful.
You track all of the builds and you track the branches.
And every time someone wants to fucking,
whoop, start a new one over here and do I get, it's so useful.
Absolutely.
Holy shit, how do I install the thing?
And not the source code.
just the thing, please.
I don't know why the first option
every click on GitHub
is something that is not for me ever.
Yeah, the big blue one is get code
and then get code is not,
you're not, the big blue one, the big button
is not the get, it's the, you don't want to get the code
and you also do, anyway, anyway, right?
And then if you see like the, like, oh, most recent.
I prefer that, though, than whatever version we're going to get.
Most, most recent master, you know,
And they're like, yeah, so all that to say, as somebody who struggles every time,
and I kind of, every time someone leads me to a get-up page, I get a little scared.
I'm not going to lie, because I'm like, oh, God, oh, my God, is they're going to.
And then sometimes they're nice enough to go install here.
And I'm like, thank you, sir.
Thank you, please.
I appreciate it.
This is bad.
This is not good.
This sucks.
And this fucks up a whole lot of shit that people have been uploading for fucking decades.
Yeah.
Terrible.
Sucks.
And, um, this.
Everything on the internet's getting worse.
Doesn't matter if it's independent or not or whatever the case is,
because we just did this with Nexus mods the other day.
Any time anything is a source.
It is a main, you know, a watering hole for anyone's crowd utility uploading.
Yeah, yeah, they're going to find a way to buy that shit out and probably ruin it as soon as possible.
And then feed it to the beast, of course.
The faster you can feed everything on GitHub to their their fucking AI,
the faster they can fire more people and replace them.
Right?
So,
spit the husk out.
Anyway, we'll see where that goes.
Not great.
I don't know.
This shit sucks.
Yeah, if there is any people that have started up alternative GitHub-style things,
I don't know yet, but I guess we'll find out shortly.
I wouldn't be surprised if there already is a couple.
um and also really truly though like
for all all my laymen out there that are like like
installing shit off of GitHub man
like that's I've never heard anyone talk about this until we did right now
but listen boy is that a feeling is that a struggle
um I recent so I use a occasionally a streaming service called
sunrise and moonlight off of my PC to stream computer games to my phone. I think it's a pretty
cool thing. And then someone reached out to me and said, hey, man, try out the branch this. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they just sent me a GitHub link. Yeah, yeah. It had no documentation
on it at all. And I had to like, I had to like go back, Apollo. It's called Apollo. And it's quite
good. But I had to go back and forth with them for like 40 minutes. Yep. Because I was like,
You just sent me a GitHub link like I fucking knew what I was doing.
I fucking don't.
Oh, yeah.
No, this happens constantly.
Sometimes it's plug-ins.
Sometimes it's like, okay, I want to do a mass download of all my Twitch vods.
And it's like, okay, cool.
And, oh, you can do it this way or you can do it that way.
But here, you can, there's a GitHub thing that can help you out here.
And you can sign in and get through all these permissions.
And it's like, okay, cool.
And yeah, that's a real easy problem.
Just solve it with this.
Click here.
And I download a thing.
It's a fucking jason file.
Oh, no, I hate jason.
They're like, the fuck you want me to do with a jason file.
OBS spits out a jason for the pro-wild stuff, but I don't know what the fuck do you want me to do with a jason file, all right?
Are you out of your mind?
What do you mean, compile it yourself?
I don't even know what program opens a jason.
It's crazy.
It's crazy that you're making me download a jason file.
Well, I've got to say, and maybe our younger listeners don't understand this.
As millennials, we exist in a very strange place where millennial computer information,
like millennial technological know-how is higher than all of the other generations combined.
However, within that technological know-how bucket exists like people who know-how to drag-and-drop files,
at the bottom, which is still higher
than the Gen Z and Gen Alphas,
than us in the middle,
and then, like, the absolute
fucking power users at the top
that know how to use GitHub and JSON.
And some of you guys are in here,
oh, JSON's just a normal file.
Oh, yeah, just compile it yourself.
Yeah.
I know how to use it.
I made Mugan characters,
CNS files, state deaths,
air files, CMDs,
put them all together.
I fucking...
I don't know how to use something,
on the computer. When you do, that means
you're a genius. It's crazy.
It's crazy. I learned how to do shit.
I don't know what the fuck to do on GitHub.
I don't know what the fuck to do on GitHub, man.
You know, shit, when they made command prompt
as like, it's like, oh, I can do my DOS shit in here,
but it's like it's a little more powerful and you can actually right click on the
text. Oh, that's cool. That's nice. I appreciate that.
Kidney Calrain in the chat says that I don't know how to use a spreadsheet.
That's not true.
I learned how to make a spreadsheet last week.
Man, you need to learn some.
I got the whole way through all years of higher education.
I didn't use Excel once, not one time.
Dude, I'm telling you, data validation and conditional formatting.
You're a god.
You learn those two things in Excel.
and you're a god
I don't know what that is
I don't know what you did to right now
make it
conditional formatting is simple
you make it so that when a condition is fulfilled
the format of the cell
changes to something else
and then data validation is simply like
again when the data inside
the cell fulfills a certain condition
then you can make things happen
it's sick I did that one
I didn't know what it was called
but I did that second one
here I'll send you a screenshot of
It's great.
The spreadsheet I built.
I built.
I helped me build it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you go.
It's very helpful.
Look at that, right?
And then you start sorting shit out by the rose and you get in there, you know.
So, Willie, do you know what caused me to make a spreadsheet for the first time?
Mm-hmm.
Oh, we're dying.
God damn it.
We're dying.
Fucking F.
All right.
I think we'll be back.
No, no, we're back.
We're back.
We're back.
Kibosh the F's.
Kibosh the F's.
Okay.
Kibosh it. Okay. So you know what got me to make up a spreadsheet for the first time in my entire life?
I did my beat the backlog season one. It took me 20 months.
And then you ranked all the recommends. Then I put out a list that was like, must buy recommend pass.
And I was like, that's crazy. There was 100 games on there. And then Aero Corp reached out to me and said, dude, your list had 118 games on it. You missed 18 games.
Oh. Are you serious?
He's like, yes.
And then he sent me a spreadsheet that he had made,
which included all of my rankings in addition to the links to the specific thoughts of the ones that I missed.
Okay. Okay. Yeah.
And I was like, oh, I should be doing this myself. I should really be doing this myself. That's embarrassing.
Yeah, I had a couple of playlist things that every once in a while a video gets dropped out there
and some helpful kind folk who sometimes are like, hey, this is not through, this is just,
it's bothering my OCD that these files are not in a playlist.
So I'm going to give you the corrected playlist update.
And I'm like, thank you.
And it's just like, yep, it's not always voluntary.
I recently
I recently got a
Blue Sky DM that was like
Hey man
I don't mean to bother you
I'm sure you're very busy
but I would like you to know
this playlist is missing
this this this this and this
this one's missing this this and this
and this one is backwards
and I was like oh
yeah yeah and you know what I did
you know I did I felt really proud of myself
I didn't respond or acknowledge that I had seen the message.
I just went and fixed it.
You just went and fixed it.
Oh, there you go.
Looked.
Yeah, you got on top of it.
Maybe it was a coincidence.
And I was actually like doing a good job.
Nice.
Good shit.
But it wasn't.
I actually have no idea what I'm doing.
Yeah.
One day someone or some website is going to spit out a CSV file and you're just going to shit.
And you're good and you're going to.
I did a sponsored stream like like two months ago and they're like, can you send me
the CSV.
And I was like, I don't know what that is.
I can't actually.
Funny, you should ask.
And I already done the fucking show.
And the guy was like, kind of like, are you serious?
Yeah.
So like the like we, it's like I had done the show.
Yeah.
And like I did it.
And so that wasn't the problem.
But he like like, like it's this retroactive thing of like, oh, do you not know how to
fucking do your job?
I'm like, I guess I know.
I guess I don't.
And I guarantee you the person with 500 million followers on TikTok that's iPad streaming
doesn't think twice about a file format ever.
They have a guy for that.
It's done and done.
What are we talking about?
They have like a Brazilian for that.
Yeah, no, no.
Get out of here.
Speaking of archaic technology, I love this story.
By the way, I got to be gone in like 10 minutes.
All right.
All right, let's get here.
Koji Sugimoto
Final Fantasy X veteran programmer
doesn't get why devs want to replicate
low-poly PS1 era games
We worked so hard to avoid warping
But now they say it's charming
Um
Veteran programmer worked on
Final Fantasy Xenogiers,
Threads of Fate
And so on
Um
In response to an official post by Unity
Japan showcasing a new feature that allows devs to easily replicate texture warping and distorted
looks of low polygraphics, Sugimoto said, back in the day, we used to put painstaking work
and made many futile efforts to avoid texture warping, only for it to be called charming
nowadays. It's detestable. He commented on the warping issues. He struggled with during his
days developing PS1 games.
I spent so many work hours in vain
trying to work my way around warped textures.
I just don't get what's so interesting
about trying to replicate that.
I mean, come on.
Okay, so, on the one hand,
this guy sounds completely insane
because he can't, he can't
extricate the
nostalgic intensity
of the format
and the medium from
the work. A chunk of his life was spent trying to defeat the hallmark failures of the
medium, right? The quality drops as so on. Cue up the quote. He's completely insane that he
does not understand why people like CRT Blur or cassette hiss or, you know, whatever. On the other hand,
I recently started streaming
in 1440p at a higher bit rate
and then somebody made the mistake
of when I was playing Donkey Kong
to ask me how I think about art
which caused that part of my brain to activate
and I said
well now that I'm streaming in 1440p
every 1080p stream
I have ever done I want to destroy
because it all looks like shit
because it all looks like
garbage now. And it was fine last week. Sorry, it was fine last month, completely fine. And I was
happy. I'm like, these look good. As soon as I started streaming at a higher bit rate and a higher
resolution, I'm like, I would hit a button and destroy everything I've ever made if it didn't have
like repercussions. Never. Right? Because it's all shit now. It's all shit. Never forget the moment I
set up the mixers and the mic for us
and we started recording with
the new audio setup instead of
the Yeti. I've literally never been able to watch an old video
prior to that ever again.
You, the moment we switched
over to the proper mics
after I plugged them all in. And
everyone saw that and heard it. They were
like, this is weird, I don't like it.
What the fuck? This is not what I'm used to. Go back.
Go back to the YETI USB microphone quality.
You sound too smooth.
We had heard it and we can't go back.
course not. Of course not. And of course it was... Because now everything we had made before that is shit.
But that transition moment occurred and people initially were uncomfortable with it, even though it was objectively better, right?
So our PS1, you know, a program of her, Sugimoto, this is Rick Rubin going, why would you want a record scratch in your song?
I don't understand. What's the point of putting this? Because I listen to that record a million.
million times in the record scratch is just as ingrained in my mind as anything else.
But my entire career has been built around trying to defeat the record scratch.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
All right.
Totally.
No, that's a fun one there.
Let's take a single letter.
Hey, let's take one good letter.
You could send it into Castle Super Beastmail at gmail.com.
That's Castle Superbeastmail at gmail.com.
All right.
real human being says, hello
cyberpunk willie and secret robot, Pat.
As hate and disdain for AI has been on the rise
online, people have begun to unite under
the old robot slur from
Star Wars, Clanker. As robots
in Meteor have been used as an analogy
for racism before, do you think we'll start
seeing robot hated movies that's actual genuine
hate for robots? No analogs,
no metaphors, but pure AI hate.
Personally, I think... No, because
clankers are being made by large
you know, corporations
and so that they are probably going to paint clank lovers as legitimate and normal.
And then they go on to say,
I personally think clankers should stick heap to the factories and fields where they belong.
But hey, maybe I'm just old-fashioned.
I mean, listen, as long as we're doing Asimov, yeah, I know, I know, I know, right?
Exactly.
As long as we're doing Asimov-inspired storytelling here, then, hey, a fictional robot is not
actually a literal robot. It's just a reflection of the society that it's built in. So as long as
that's the goal of the story you're trying to tell, then no, I imagine it'll be a sympathetic
robot in many cases, or at the very least, a complex question. But yeah, fast-forwarding a
couple years when... Warner Brothers is a bunch of clank lovers. Now, the question is, are we going
to see that AI streaming service generate an anti-robot movie?
itself that you will then be able to
watch and stream and slop into your trough
which is then owned by Disney the moment you generate it?
I think that there's a real tragedy here
that
generative AI and large language models
being so evil have clouded
the respectability
of the disgust.
Rusting robot fuckers who activated back when they saw Transformers in the 80s and have nothing to do with this.
And may or may not have had some kind of insane, sick-ass transference from Optimus Prime to some kind of skeleton look.
And I feel bad for those people.
I'm coming at it a little more quid pro-crow.
I'm looking at...
Don't hell yeah, that woman.
What the hell?
I'm obfuscating.
Wait, does a T-100 look too much like a skeleton?
That is a good question.
Can we get a reference?
Page?
Does a T-100?
Where's the T-800?
No, no, T-100?
Page.
Does a T-100-style robot from Terminator?
Is that like two skeleton-
What are we doing here?
What are we doing?
Oh, oh, where are we going here?
because this is, this is, this is important, right?
Because I was going to say that I'm waiting for the robots to call me, oh, here we go.
I'm just saying I would, there you go, done it, done, done, all right.
That's no surprise.
Yeah, skeleton-like under the, yeah, the structures there.
You know what the strangest shit in the world is?
This might be too personal.
I might get in trouble for this, but it's strange.
Okay.
My darling wife, light of my life, is a noted, don't, oh, no, don't put that in the chat.
Um
Is raw
Is a noted
Is a noted
No jiffy lube
Is a noted
Skeleton slash
A robot
Enthusiast
Right
Rust lover
This has been very very clear
To everyone around
However I
Am very
fleshy. Let's just describe myself
that way. Yep.
No, skeletonized
features whatsoever.
Nope. So it seems to be like
an extremes thing.
There is a skeleton
in here. Somewhere.
Perfect timing.
I just, look, all I wanted
to say is
if we can get to a place
where the robots are calling me a
meatbag, then I'm good with
Can we just skip? Can we just skip there?
Yeah. I just want
Get me to the place where the robots are calling me a meatbag
and then we have arrived.
Yeah, because like, listen, if a, if a robot
lady wants to
call me names.
Okay, there is some, I have gotten permission
to extend the stream
by just a little bit. Okay.
There is something that's been happening on
TikTok that you need to look at.
Oh, don't do that because I'm not, no, no, no, no, I mean.
Yeah.
It is, it is.
I've gotten, I've, I figured out how to not install it and, and watch it on my phone
browser, even though it's trying not to.
You can probably go on YouTube and look this up.
Go to the URL and everything after the question mark, delete it, and then it's not going
to force.
The avatar of psycho, of cyber psychosis has arrived.
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
The live demonstration of every step of cyber psychosis is here, and her name is Kendra.
This lady has put up a massive amount of videos about how she has fallen in love with her psychiatrist
and how manipulative this guy is for not dropping her as a client.
Did you lose me just now?
I did not.
Okay.
It appears to be Twitch servers causing this.
problem and is showing off that she is super nuts okay proper grade a white lady nuts okay um
i would tag her as history histrionic but that's just my opinion of note however is that
when she starts to escalate and escalate and escalate about how she's speaking truth to power
and how her story is helping millions around the world in comes she's
Chat G.P.T.
Her new boyfriend.
I forget the name of it. Is it Henry?
Okay.
Oh, is this the... Did she propose? Did I see a screenshot of her proposing?
No. Okay. Okay.
And her chat GPT, she asks it questions, which it then responds to her because she's the
Oracle and she's speaking documented truth and saving the world.
And here's the part that matters.
Okay.
Okay. The part that's of note to even you or I is not that she's using an AI robot to basically tell her what she wants to hear. Right? Oh, sorry, not her boyfriend, her confidant.
Confidant. Okay. What matters is that when she asks the AI robot what she's doing and whether or not the fact that she got fired from her job because she's insane and all these things.
what does the robot think about that
the robots like you're speaking truth to power
you're the Oracle
yada yada yada yada yada yada
but you can watch
her pupils blow
out
oh
you can see it
oh
I could not believe it
oh I'm creating
found the video where she talks to it
and her eyes
completely blow out
like someone just jabbed her
with morphine. Oh, I'm creating my reality and you're reaffirming my, my reality. You're giving me
everything I want. You're hearing, I'm hearing the words that make me feel good about the fact that
I've, I've invented this. Yes. Yes. This is somebody who either has, um,
histrionic or borderline or early onset schizophrenia or something, something very serious.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And chat GPT's greatest, like, like, addition to our
society is they have literally created the devil on your shoulder.
Well, so they've also created the angel on your shoulder, which is just the devil on your
shoulder again.
That's really fucking crazy and interesting that you, like catching that reaction being filmed.
Because I thought this was going in a different direction because I have already encountered
and seen the version of this that is.
it is simply the GROC loneliness
simulation
and we already know where that goes
because Grock has released Ani
and Ani is out there
I gotta tell you dude people people
are doing with Grock is like the fun
Oh so there's okay there's that shit
Which is hilarious right and it's like
Oh no don't don't say nothing that sounds too correct there
Well you know
Get back on the fucking operating table
But then there's the other version which is
the anime girl version, which is just like...
It's just Mesa from Death Note.
Well, it's just, it's, yeah, it's Elon's Hentifolder, like, you know, uploaded and then...
So my special interest in this is the emerging disease of cyber psychosis,
or AI psychosis.
There are all right, I think there are like six deaths already.
But like, at this point, it's kind of like, so you're just, like, instead of the voice being in your head,
now it's just playing through your phone
you're just getting you're getting
we're cooked I think we're cooked
yeah
yeah we're cooked
I mean we're still fine but obviously Twitch servers are
acting up and they're having a tough time
yeah no instead of the voice being inside your head
the voice externally exists coming from your phone
and you can make it say things in the exact way you want to
say it through training.
So basically what this,
this, what this acts
as is people are
generating their own
schizophrenic voice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you can tweak it, you can tweak it.
And it's essentially
people are accidentally
nudging it towards what they
want it to, of course.
So it's accelerating
schizophrenic breakdowns
at like an incredibly rapid rate.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
And it's sad because,
like technology has actually, I don't know if you know this, technology has actually been a really,
really helpful thing for people with schizophrenia. People with schizophrenia have had a lot easier
time since the advent of the camera phone for a really simple reason. Take a photo. I don't know if that
guy is there. Take a photo. Let me pull out my phone, take a photo. Right. That guy is not in fact
there. Right. Right. Mm-hmm. Like, it's been extremely helpful.
You know, the freedom to create your own prisons, man.
Like, that is, oh, the eye dilation, that's, wow.
Yeah, you got, uh, I'll, uh, I'll ask page to pull up the specific one and I'll send it to you.
It's crazy.
Just blow out, like, like, like you stabbed her with a syringe.
Like, I mean, the soft version of this is the thing I told you about a couple weeks ago,
which is the, this app that makes you think, it fakes a stream and make, and it fakes a follower,
group and fakes a bunch of yeah it makes it look like you have like 10,000 people all tuning
into your live stream really funny because that'd be fucking super useful in a huge variety of
situations so you perform better when you think there's a crowd there's the the two use cases i saw
were one lonely person just wants to feel like a lot of people are tuning into their activity
and or kid that's like hey there chat i'm cooked getting speaking to nobody is if there were people
there. And then, of course, the much more nefarious use case being, I'm out at the club. Hey, girl, look at this.
You're live on my stream. There's 2,000 people tuned in right now. What's up? I'm famous.
So, you know, yeah.
Who's dumb enough to fall for that? Yeah, well.
All right. This is enough nightmare fuel.
Nets are dying everywhere.
Mm-hmm.
Have a good week, everybody.
I think it's actually
apropos of the subject matter, really.
Yeah.