Castle Super Beast - CSB342: Maybe The Religious Trauma Wasn't 100% The Cause Of All Your Issues feat. Edmund McMillen

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

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After Music Mewa-hawned Mopo-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-h-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! All right. This is the weirdest first impression I think we've ever had to make. Nice to meet you, Wully. How are you?

My name is Patrick. Yeah. Hey, Ed. Welcome to Castle Superbeast. Appreciate you being on for a juggalo episode that we're apparently... It's Captain Spalding, bro. It's a juggalo. I figured it out on a glance.

It's not a juggalo at all. Recognizing what it is doesn't explain why it is. Oh, it's for money. There's that, yes. That's good enough. Yes. Speaking of For Money, by the way, hey, what's going on? Ed, you are somebody who's made a lot of video games, and I'm happy to have you on.

Thanks for for jumping on with us. I heard this is the place to be. So I'm here. Yeah. No, I do appreciate the level of like, hey, kids, who the fuck should I talk to? I have a game coming out and just the line people on who do you, what do I? And then they're like these ones and you're like that one. You're like, yeah, okay.

You know, so cheers. Appreciate that. Let me bump your volume a little bit actually. just to get you a little bit louder. Sorry. I can pull this closer to my face too. All right. Is that any better?

I get louder. Yeah. Yeah, I expect it. Yeah, no. So that's, that's, you know, as good a way as any to link up over here. But I guess I'd like to say that right before that when messaging you, I saw right above that was when you're like, hey, do you want to try out Bumbo? And I don't know if you know, but that game is the game I've spent the most time on of

anything you've played. I've got at least 97 hours on that. Bumbo is the shit. I love it. I didn't know there was 97 hours in the game. Yeah. Like, for some reason. He has a tendency to just extract every single iota of value out of whatever he loves.

Well, I lock in on some things. And, you know, like, Isaac is the shit. Super Meat Boy is a lot of fun. Really love those. Those are great. Lots of fun. But I love Bumbo specifically for post-stream, one arm, clicking the mouse, dragging things around, brain off. And I do appreciate that because it's not actively, because it's turn-based, or it's a puzzle game, essentially, I can do it as lazily and as slowly and as brainlessly as possible.

That was super sick. Much appreciated. Well, Mugenics is right up your alley then. It's literally the cross-section between Bumbo and the Binding of Isaac. Yeah. The breakdown of that I saw was basically, well, I mean, we'll definitely get into that a good bit more later. But the tactical RPG right off the bat is like, okay, eyebrow raised, that's pretty interesting. I'm by default down with that.

But I'm also curious, like, there's a couple of things about that where I'm like, Like, some of the tactical RPGs that I've gotten into the hardest are ones with perfect information, like into the breach or fights in tight spaces, tactical breach wizards. Games where, like, the enemies have attacks that you can see coming because they're basically like puzzle games. I don't know if this is that necessarily. Like, do you know what the enemies are doing each turn? Or is it like based on? I mean, they have AI. They have things that they want to do.

and then you have a bunch of information. I mean, it's not like Isaac where there's anything hidden information-wise from you. Like, there's tool tips for literally everything. Okay. And every keyword has a tool tip. And every enemy has a tool tip. And all their stats, their HP, the damage they do, the, you can even, like, right-click on them. And it shows their, where they can move and attack, like the range and everything else like that.

Everything is there. It's very, the standards of tactical turn-based strategy game, is there. And then it goes far, far beyond anything I've experienced. I guess before, like, kind of jumping into it a bit more, we should probably, I guess, yeah, set up, like, so you've been around this block for a minute. You've started with Flash games a bazillion years ago.

And then I guess, like, I think for me, Super Meat Boy, and then Super Meat Boy, was like the first time I had seen your work online and like noticed you know what was up um and then uh we played you and pat you and i played the binding of isaac back on uh best friends and a bunch of binding of isaac after yeah and well that the episode we did when we lped that was one where i got i got i got i didn't know what what it was or much about it at all i just knew i just saw it recognize the sprites online and people who've been using them and like Bible thump and stuff, you know, but I didn't know any of the story involved or any. So the intro

that played there, people have described it as me getting hit with a flashbang of like PTSD because I had an extremely strict religious upbringing, which like freaked the shit out of me. And eventually I got out of there, but not without scars from it. And so that like moment of mom saying Yes, Lord, speaking to Lord and talking about Abraham and that entire thing. That was all just like, oh, my God, I didn't expect us to get this real this quickly and was kind of terrifying. In a goofy little flash game with these cute animations, exactly. So I'm like, has someone else been through this? Are we understanding?

Are we having the same understanding here about just like scripture being quoted at you in a hostile manner from childhood? I think a lot. I mean, I think a lot of people could relate. I thought I was writing about stuff that was quite unique. And I thought there's no way. The people will just think it's strange, you know. But there's a lot of people out there. And yeah, no, I grew up, I grew up with the duality of, so half of the family,

the family that I lived with mostly were Catholic. And I saw I was, I went to catechism for seven years and all that stuff. And then the other side of my family were all born again. recovering addicts who got really into Jesus like really as hard as you can it's basically the new heroin yes that that's how you that's how you get off the drugs yeah yeah yeah you replace one with the other a hundred it is a better better replacement yeah and and those are the most those are the most extreme ones because they're like i couldn't hold it together without this replacing my addiction so you need that too and they push it that hard it's why yeah yeah yeah and so yeah i had the

fire and brimstone come from that end and then I had the kind of like comforting but disturbing ritualistic aspects of Catholicism at my core and that kind of built me into what I am. Are you are you holding on to any any of that guilt? I mean I've been told I am I feel I feel a great deal of guilt and they always say it's Catholic guilt but I'd like to I'd like to think I'm just a human being who can feel feelings, but maybe, I don't know. Oh, man. I just, yeah, I'm, like, there's just these little, these moments that I have of, like, what kind of did it for me as a kid was, there'd always be these moments because I was basically

raised, Seventh-day Adventist, which is a particular offshoot of, like, Millerites, which were the people who believed that, like, there was a specific calendar date in the 17th hundreds when they knew when the world was going to end so they sold off all their possessions and you know and then it obviously didn't happen and then the great disappointment and so there's this whole thing about them being particularly like we crunched the numbers on the bible and were extra dogmatic about it you know um and so what that kind of led to was a number of people would come through our church and like a pastor would be on tour and he'd be like okay this is the pastor who specifically um here to talk about why drums are evil and

music with drums are bad because it syncopates with your heartbeat. And anything that is that's syncopating with your heartbeat is pagan. And it's like, you know, the dark music from the other continents that we don't listen to. That's that evil summoning music. And I'm sitting there as a kid in grade seven with my drum set going, so I'm not supposed to play along with the gospel songs at church, which is the really fun thing for me to do. And this is a bad idea and it's like yes this one person on tour came and said it's a bad idea and then they'd leave but a couple people would be like oh drums are bad and then some would be like no they're fine and i'd be like wait well which is it which one's going to lead to me burning forever like don't make

any mistakes by the way yeah so that that's that's like little things like that are just i'm like oh shit this isaac intro is fucking wild you know yeah i mean i yeah i can um i can relate i mean it wasn't I again like the the more hardcore side was my you know weekend weekend dad um okay and uh so it wasn't all it wasn't constant but whenever i had to go on family trips it was kind of a nightmare and um everything that i liked was the devil yeah everything it didn't matter what it was everything that i liked was the devil which as a kid makes you like kind of identify with that which kind of was like, okay, well, I guess I'm a bad kid and I'm evil and I like all these things that are bad. You know, you just have this kind of like cloud looming over you and keeping you in

the dark. But I had some weird fucking interactions. Like my, the McMillan side, they, a few of them were like, what's the word? They went to like the Fiji Islands and like converted people and stuff. Oh, wow. Evangelizing. Okay. Yeah. They did mission. My dad, my dad, um, ended up being like a pastor. Um, okay. He's not anymore. He currently, uh, is retired from that. But, um, yeah, so it was pretty crazy.

And there was a couple situations. I remember when I brought my like magic cards or whatever to Thanksgiving, I think it was, it might have been a D&D book or something. And then I, and my, my uncle, uh, Butch, uh, pulled me aside and was like, it was the weirdest conversation. He looked right in the eyes and he's like, you know, you couldn't kill me if you wanted to. And I was like, what? And he's like, you wouldn't, even if you tried to kill me right now, you wouldn't be able to.

And I was like, okay. I don't know where this is going. And then he like pulls out the D&D book or whatever. And he's like, I've got the angels protecting me. So no matter what spells you cast and whatever else, like, you wouldn't be able to. And I'm like, I didn't, dude, I don't. And I think I tried to explain, like, how the game works. he wasn't he wasn't happening yeah yeah oh man no it so our so the thing is my house was it was that house you would go visit where they're all strict like mine was that one where i had cousins that would come over that were like what do you mean like i can't talk about my comic book or you know whatever we're whatever gamer show um i mean when there was a game that came out called diablo are you out of your

mind you're telling me I should play this. Are you crazy? It's got an actual pentagram on the back, you know? But did you gravitate towards it? Were you like, ooh? I like, you know, railroad pornography where you're like, ooh, what's what is that on the ground over there? Absolutely. I wanted to know, but I was a good boy who was very much not into the idea of burning after I died. So I went, no, I'm not going to. And I was, I should have started worshipping the devil. I've held on to that. I've held on to that. for too long. You should have done it.

I stuck by it and I really believed and was like, no, I want to be good and I don't want to play these devil games, which, yeah, my mom would call them devil games, doom. And my friends would be like, no, no, no, explain to your mom that you're killing the demons, it's okay, you know? And it's like, that's not the way it works. It's the depiction at all is a problem. So, yeah, that's crazy. Oh, man.

Like, what I always wonder, too, is, you know, I don't know how. it is for you but like as time goes on there's always this sense of urgency is like things are going to come to an end you know like they'd meet up and then I remember how many countless weekends after church I spent in the back of a car as everyone is talking about how you know everything's going to end soon the times are coming end times are coming you know you better be right with the Lord and so that whole thing was like well now we fast forwarded like 35 years and I've been like 10 raptures man so what happens to the person who was like looking at the clock every day after that time, you know? Like, have you seen any of that

at all with like some of these folks that are you're kind of just like, well, we're still here and life is moving. So what now? I mean, most of them have died off. They never saw it. But I used to hear that. I remember being a kid and overhearing my mom and my grandma having conversations about the end times. I mean, they would talk about it. Like, like they were trying not to scare us. yeah but so it was like real serious shit like they're really like they're like well did you see the the hand the hand gesture the guy made you know you know what that means end of time end of times are coming and i'm like what the fuck what are you talking about and then she's like well there's this thing called revelations in the bible you should read it and i read it and it was like this

is crazy but this is like the coolest shit like this is really cool This is the ultimate The way it pops off is awesome Well as I remember being like Can't I just like Well when when the giant beast rises from the oceans Can I just repent then? Like what's the problem?

No no take back sees Yeah Like once you show me proof I'm gonna be like okay I get it sorry And I mean like it's like It's the rat as shit as long as we're Enjoying it through the lens of anime

You know as long as like, like, Evangelion is like interpreting beasts and demons and angels in this cool, which shit, you're like, that's dope as fuck when you're, you're looking at it from a distance, you know,

and, um, every, every, every RPG that uses Christian mythology as like a mystical background, you know, but, yeah,

I mean, it is. I mean, it's current, current mythology. Like, yeah, it's,

it's, it's a very modern mythological storytelling, which is cool because it works in our, our, in this age, you know, makes sense to what we know. Not like Greek mythology or Egyptian mythology. We know what the sun is. We know the sun's not a god. Right. Do you? Maybe. We have to have we been inside of it. It's not, open that up and see. Were you there? Um, yeah, unless, no, but the, the, the, the thing is, it's like, that's, that's all fine and dandy. But then for me, I have those, I have the, I have the,

The moment for me was the end times are coming talk eventually became a, I discovered that some of my family had purchased land far outside the city to be a escape for when things got too hot. When the end times prophecy meant it was time to move away from the cities, which is what it says, you know, when John the revelator wrote about that. And they got that planned and they had a whole plan for we're going to leave. And they didn't tell me about it. You didn't have it like as a vacation, a vacation little area you can go to? Yeah, a little bit, you know? And I just, yeah, I was, I was apparently not invited, but a couple other families, you know, put them, put the money together. And they bought the plans for this place to escape to.

And I'm like, oh, I'm out. That's it. We're done. Like, this is cooked. This is, there's no coming back from that. Drum music, dog. Yeah, I'm, I would have, I would have, I would have drummer Boyd led the demons right up to the escape, you know, that's the problem. So anyways, anyways, all of this to say, um, that was like that, that, that, that hit me. That hit me hard, you know. Um, yeah, I feel like Pat, you managed to escape, uh, all of that baggage. Well, so I, I had a, I had a, uh, a Protestant mom and a lapsed Catholic dad. So, the lapsed Catholic dad. So, the lapsed Catholic. dad was just like, the boy can go to church

if he wants, and then I went to church a couple times, and I was like, really bored. And I was like, I want to play video games on Sundays. And my dad was like, well, boy is smoking. But my brother and sister, their mom makes them go to Mass.

Hmm. And that's it. Like, I had Christmas Mass. Okay. Okay. Yeah, it's interesting because I'm like, you eventually are like, I think, well, at least from me, you come to a a detente, you know, with everything. And you're like, all right, you guys are the way you're going to be. And that's it. We're family. That's fine. We have an understanding of where we are at

in life and stuff. And as I have my daughter now, who, you know, just arrived, you know, there's definitely a part of this, which is like, okay, I have to sit down, you know, some of my very beloved family and kind of go we're not going to like have her fall asleep with a Bible in the crib every night actually that's we're going to not do that one that's new yeah yeah that's going to be fun that'll be fun it wasn't it wasn't too crazy on my end there was a because my mom still is mildly catholic and my dad's quite religious still but um my kids my oldest who's now 10. When she was about seven, she was like, I want to go to church. And I'm like, what? Whoa. You want to go to church? She's like, yeah. And I said, okay. And she's like, what's it like?

And it looks cool, but it's really boring. And she goes, I want to go. And she lasted all of like five or six minutes. And then her mom, her grandma took her out. And that was the end of it. The greatest hits reel of your local church looks really good. Like, it's got singing and dancing and, and, and, and, like, contemplation and enlightenment, but then, like, it's a lot of, it's a lot of sitting and talking. It's so boring. A lot of it. Oh, yeah. I mean, especially, like, at a black church where we're popping off, the music is going, and, like, your whole, you go, you got the tambourines in the choir, although tambourines is a type of drum. So, some people might have a issue with the, you know, but, no, that's a ton of fun. And could you imagine, like, a couple hundred years ago when you would go down to your local. small town, you know, give your confession. And then later when you heard a sermon, it was like

the sermon was exactly about the thing you were confessing. It was crazy. It was like it's almost as if like it read your mind and the book had an answer for everything. That must have been a huge pop off. That must have been incredible to be like, wow. I don't know, Willie. I think even back in the day, people were like, did that motherfucker make a write a whole sermon about me getting drunk over time? What the fuck? I just told him that yesterday. In contrast. In contrast. at that and now he's staring at me from the pulpit talking about the demon in the bottle

yeah it's fine just throw an indulgence at it right just pay that off and you can you can drink all you want yeah all right let me ask you there's Edmund there's clearly like Isaac had like a

we're just talking about a religious backing right like historically um eugenics is about a bunch of cat freaks? I guess. Like, where is that coming from? I mean, Mugenics is coming from, like, originally when it was conceived, like, ages ago.

Like, what is it, like, 12 or 13 years ago when I made the prototype? It was kind of like almost a gag based off of a thing, in joke that whenever I would start a new project, my wife before we had kids had to buy a new cat. Like, I needed to release the, uh, the bomb. The bomb's about to explode. I cannot do another, you know, year long project. Here's a cat. And then she diffuses. Okay. For that about time. How many times you get up to? We got four. We had four cats. Um, and then she wanted, she wanted all these like kind of exotic weird cats. And she went deep on that. And I thought like how. twistedly awful, you know, the cat breeding, actually, the reality of cat breeding was, like she would get sphinx cats, so hairless cats. And there's like, there's like freaky variations of these. You got like odd-eyed ones that have like one blue eye, one brown eye. You got bambinos that have like half-sized legs like dachshunds.

You've got all these weird. Little freaks. There's like a brindle-y ones that have like stunted hair. So it's not, it's like really, really short and like tight. like really it's like this they they have like a carpety feel to them um a lot we had we had one of those and uh it kind of like just i thought it was interesting because it was this morally questionable thing that peace so many people did and having pets in general i thought was interesting and then hoarding you know i collect a lot of stuff we collect a lot of stuff

that's that's what that's what i'm talking about did you know that that that knows on that dog can only go up so high. If it went up a little higher, that's illegal. The nose cannot go higher than the middle of the eyes. So this thing, you probably don't know, this thing is a mutant homeless piece of shit with crippled arms. And it's horribly overbred that's a rescue. So this thing is like the peak of what you're talking about.

This is the worst created dog of all. So I don't know Which is why he hangs out in his bag If we see him walking around a bit later Right like the front legs Kind of drag around and the back legs are up So there's always that booty in the air Like pushes along

Which is why his name is Caboose He's the sweetest guy But no he's a horrible freak mutant And I love horrible freak mutants And that's like kind of what it's about And then I put that project down for quite a while It got canceled.

Wow. Like a year and a half into development. Phraising. Yeah. And it was reborn. It was reborn later. And at that point in time, I had had a kid and my perspective on the whole theme changed a bit. And it became more about genetics and legacy and the things you pass down to your offspring.

and all that stuff. It just became more real, I guess. And I just started writing from that perspective. So, I mean, you know, off the top, there's like, yeah, it's a cool, it's a turn-based rogue-like tactical RPG. So, you know, you're seeing the grid and, you know, the things you like to see if you're playing a game with different, you know, different synergy and classes and things like that. But what I heard that was pretty sick about it.

I don't know if, Pat, did you catch the, the feature with disorders? I have not. I'm looking at, I'm actually looking at Ed play it right now. So as it's roguelike with, and there's randomized like cats and stuff, there's disorders that your cats can get. Right? And like, you were describing in the no clip that like you could have cats that you could have cats that get like ADHD and it affects gameplay or autism or cancer and like that's not a disorder it's not it's not I mean you're not born with it but the other ones are are inborn disorders but

they're it we call them disorders there's a pool of things that negative negative things that could happen but every negative has a silver lining you can kind of draft around um like I I I uh I passed a kidney stone last week, which was the worst pain I've ever been in my life. Oh, fuck. Comically. Yeah. Thank you. Why are you here?

That's crazy. Well, the day after I was, well, the day after I was very drugged. But the day after that, I was fine. And it's like, the only thing that looms is like the idea that I have two kidneys. And so the other one could have something rattling around that just gets. Oh, my God. dislodged and and no it was um it was it was it was a pain i would wish on no one it was uh laughably awful but at that it's one of those things where you're going in and it's not like you're dying

right like they just like you i went to the emergency room and i'm like i'm quite sure i have this kidney stone situation here because this is such a specific pain they sit you down they give you drugs that don't work because this is some different like a spinal tap would have worked like It's like birth pain. And then after six hours, I passed the stone and I went home. And that's it. But you can get kidney stones in meugenics. Okay.

And what it does is it randomly fires a rock out of your ass. Yeah. Yeah. The positive gameplay element. If you're always angling your ass towards an enemy, there's a chance that when that happens, it just fires the rock out at the enemy. And you're good to go. You just got to make sure you're not angling it at your own guy.

Is the projectile strong? Does it do good damage? Is it all right? Yeah, it does five damage. It's a rock. I mean, it leaves a rock behind and you can interact with the rock. You can hit the rock around. Hey, let me ask you, I've got a, you can't see him now.

He's at the house, but I've got a dumpster cat who's disabled as well. Do you have any wobble cat disorder on there? Yeah, wobble cats in there. Fuck yet. Yep. I think we hit all of our bases. I'm sure there'll be more that pop up out. to release that we can add in later but we got a tremendous number and once once i finally like

took the plunge because there was some hesitation of you know putting real disorders in and the first thing i did was put in the disorders me and my kids have so it's like well i can talk about these things but then once i posted those people like why don't you put this in why don't you put this in like we want representation like give us give us more cover all the bases and i was like okay well let's do this and um i think i think it's working out pretty good I really like it. Like, it's a really cool aspect of the game that feels honest and fun and funny and interesting and not disparaging or negative or whatever.

And like each one as each one for whatever it causes, each thing has a gameplay positive bonus that you can work into your build in some way. Yeah. Yeah, that's sick. That's, that's fun. I'm kind of going through now and just making sure, like, this thing. is a gambling addict is the positive is the

is the con too much of a con and then we go back and forth on that I'm arguing numbers right now it was like the last thing last night it's like gambling addiction if your cat is born a gambling addict they have a 33% chance of failing but when

whenever but also a 33 person no like a 66% chance of critting every single time or something along those lines so there's like a double oh that's objectively better on paper yeah that's yeah that's and that's the argument right but it feels bad it feels it feels bad when when when you're only seeing those misses because those misses are putting you in danger so if you're going out and right in confronting something and hitting it and then you miss it and it doesn't die it's going to turn around to hit you yeah so it's like

the numbers are correct but it still feels bad um and i was arguing saying like like like let's raise the damage the crit does. But I think in the end we just settle on the fact that sometimes things can feel a little bit bad, but you can still draft around it. That honestly reminds me of Expedition 33, where the roulette gambling picto

is only available to people who don't understand gambling. Do you remember by Wally? Oh, by asking you the questions about gambling. Yeah, they ask you the question and they get it correctly, they won't give it to you. Because if you do understand gambling, you look at the roulette and you realize it's like a statistical

number increase. It's just a straight up upgrade. But if you get it wrong, then you get the gambling. They're like, yeah, here you go. You're perfect for gambling. Get addicted. Um, when you balance stuff like that, Ed, like, is it kind of like you just go off of a vague feeling and then I guess playtesters give you a bit more data, but, um, do you look at any sort of like metric on full release and then go back and tweak according to that? No, I've never really worked that way. I don't want to crunch numbers because then you can just do it for fucking ever. and then it kind of becomes a little water down.

Okay. But I have a good feel for things, and usually I can pull the audience and say, like, which of these, what are the worst items, and I can, like, balance those or whatever else. But I'm a big fan of kind of just throwing stuff at the wall, getting a feel for it, and me and Tyler together, since we know this game so well, we've been working on it for six years. So we know the game really well. we know you know how to balance things specifically and once they're balanced enough we're fine with it the only downside is this game like is a lot deeper than Isaac the combinations are kind

of infinite for a human being like if you could imagine like Isaac has 700 items right 700 items so um eugenics has about 900 items but it also has 1,200 abilities and all of these things interact and they combo and it goes infinite to the point where every time I play I'm finding combinations I'm finding insane interactions that weren't thought of

we were just building them out in a way where they could all speak to one another naturally kind of like the original Isaac like the original Isaac had a lot of synergies that weren't programmed they just worked so that was the follow up I guess

was just like yeah like if you're not like tweaking according to that then is the idea that every once in a while a couple of these things will just be insanely busted and that's the point but you got lucky so it's it's not even so much of luck it's also just keeping your eyes open and knowing what works because you're being not only you you're drafting your um your abilities this time it's not one item you get so you're going to be drafting four abilities every time you level up um specifically like passives and actives you'll get that multiple times, but you're also basically drafting

items too in shops and stuff that you find. And the cool thing about this game is the stuff that you come home with you get to keep in your storage as long as your storage is big enough to keep those things. And then you can actually build around the things in your storage. Like if you brought up autism. So autism

it lowers charisma, raises intelligence. The abilities that your cat is born with, you're more efficient at... Yeah, you're like, ah! the abilities that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're born with you're quite good at you're very efficient at you're very good at everything else is difficult so

that's represented in the spells that you are born with the ones that you pop out as a kitten with cost two mana less and all the other spells you gain from then on cost more mana um there's a there's an, an item called the two of spades. And it's, you wear it around your neck. And it says, whenever you cast a spell that costs two or less manna, double cast it. So it double cast those spells. If your cat has autism, the chances of it lowering the spell to two are much higher than

the other cats. And which makes it, there's just, you can build around, like I said, like 900 unique items, 1,200 abilities. Like, you can build around these and you can have all these aha moments. where you're like, wait a minute, this spell that cost four, now costs two. And I can double cast it, and double casting it would yield more mana to this other character than they would, you know, it's like a net gain passing the mana on, that sort of stuff. And double casting all the time.

There you go. So it's like you can, it goes way, way, way, way deep. Okay. Let me ask it. This sounds complicated. This sounds like in, like an enormous amount of like in-game. documentation because like will he was asking you about perfect information yeah like it's got tool tips it has explanations one of the weirder things i i that popped up on my steam just a few weeks

ago was that you finally added item descriptions to isaic yeah was was working on this level of like text complexity for meugenics responsible for going back and just going and and giving the item descriptions to isaac i would say some somewhat yes um this was something that i've been wanting to do for many years i wanted to do it for release um on repentance but we did not have the time to do that and it kept kind of getting push push pushed um and then it was like the conclusion was always like well there's already a mod that does this that was kind of always the conclusion and i was like well what about the people on console and what about you know the people who don't use mods and what about you know like all this stuff

It just pained me deeply to the idea of everybody who plays Isaac unless you're like this giant brained monster has their phone open on a website to double check what items combination what's ideal like every item, whatever else. It's like, ah, that's like bad design. Well, I had the opposite situation. I just played it and I would be like, I don't know.

That's fine. And that's fine. And a lot of people, like, that's how I thought people would play the game. That's why I didn't put the item descriptions. Like, I wanted you to just fly by the seat of your pants, just accept what was given to you and make it work. I thought that was the more interesting design. But I realize that much like kind of Mugenics is there's different players who like to play different ways. And it turns out a majority of Isaac players really want that information.

So it is an option now. You can have that if you want, but you don't have to have it if you don't want it. So the other thing that makes sense to me, too, is if the style of game is meant for you to trip across and, like, fuck up and pick something you shouldn't have or learn the hard way, if you ever see it again, you will have that memory or so, but that is, um, uh, uh, it's reminiscent of, so the part of this, I heard that you guys were, um, someone inspired by kingdom death monster, right? Um, and that's, I, I love that board game. Like, I have a way too much money downstairs in, in miniatures with that. stuff. Okay. Okay, yo, I got the delivery for a box from them, like, a couple months ago, and I'm like, I bought this 10 years ago. What are you doing? It's insane. That's what happens when we, like, when we were dumped all of our money into it back then, now they owe us, like, so much. There's another one coming, too. There's, the thing that I've been looking forward to is I just wanted, they had this book. It was a book that you're supposed to be able to,

like, customize, like, shorter, shorter runs and, like, like, different, different ways to do expansions and stuff, and that's all it was supposed to be, but now it's turning into this, like, giant $200 value megabox that they're going to put out next year or something. Yeah, I, it's, like, I had to go to my old address to get the delivery because one of the, because the little, like, guts figure basically showed up there, you know, anyway, it's batch it, but, um, but this is, that's an example of a game, uh, where you're supposed to go out and die, like you're, you're supposed to have whoever you pick up, like barely struggle to survive and those who can make it out, you know, are going to be like

a lot better next time around. But essentially not knowing is, is part of the appeal and the difficulty, you know? For sure. And I don't want people to think that Mugenics, it's not really like that. Okay. But we, it's not harsh like that. We don't want you to like just get fucked up and die. And the way the things progress, like once you've gone on a run with with your cats and they come back home, those cats are retired. You can use them to defend your house. house um and and that sort of stuff but other than that it's just breeding okay you can't take them back out so it's not like kingdom death yeah uh it's not like kingdom death where it's like you you incrementally if this guy survives then it gets up up up yeah it was inspired by there's some aspects of kingdom

death that i really like that i tried to pull from i played a lot of like i play a lot of board games period i played more board games than i do video games and um we also were playing a lot of d and Dungeon Crawl Classics, and I love those. I love tables. There's lots of tables in this game, too. So lots of, like, random roles and stuff like that. Because the other thing, because I also think of, like, I play, I have, hey, unsurprisingly, a lot of hours in Darkest Dungeon and Darkest Dungeon, too.

I love, love those games. And those are ones where it's like, you don't get one run, you get a couple, but like, if you start pushing it after that, like, you know, good luck. Some of these diseases are going to build up and make it impossible. you know and the stress and such but um here i guess so the the idea is you just you keep those traits and then pass it on as you breed the next generation each time like the the whole breeding aspect of the game is quite deep um and there's recessive genes and you can you can breed in disorders you can breed in traits like let's say you go out and you have this

ability like wind gust or whatever else it's really cool you come back home your guys all maxed out and you you breed that ability into a kitten so every kitten is born with one starter ability right sometimes more depending on how comfortable the room that they're born in is how much stimulation it has and everything else which is something you work on in the long game you buy furniture you fill your house up the furniture has a bunch of attributes sounds more complicated than than it actually is but you're just throwing furniture in a room to make your cats comfortable so they breed and they inherit the cool things that their parents

have. So let's say the cat's born with gust. That's a mage spell. And let's say you decide to class it as a fighter. Now you've got a multi-classed cat with a mage starter and you can build around that.

Like the mid to late game you start pushing into this where you're trying to do that and your cats are always being born. Your kittens always will have abilities of their parents. Okay. And and you're like, oh, shit, I'm going to, I know that I know these archetypes well enough to know that if I have this ability that summons a shitload of leeches, and I put that on a hunter, the hunter has a bunch of boons and passives that like enhance your familiars, then I can draft around this, you know, that sort of stuff. Okay. You get a little bit more control as time goes on for a little further. I wish I could hear the word

Recessive Gene without my brain just exploding into a shitty bunch of metal gear You too, right? As soon as he said it I just heard Liquid Snake going, brother! And it's like, yeah, okay, thank you, Kojima. It's just, it's done. I can't talk about genes ever without fucking Yeah, okay.

I have a potentially annoying but nonetheless pertinent question about this game that I think, Pat, you might be with me on this here. Okay. Is controller support a thing for this mouse-based game that is pretty much mouse-centric? Control support's being added next month.

That's what Tyler is begrudgingly doing. Let's go. I'm so annoying about this. It's not practical, but it's just, okay, so we are holdovers. Do you play on Steam deck? No, it's not that. I don't play on Steam deck. Just a big baby, and I'm not good at a mouse and keyboard.

Just a big baby. So we're holdovers from an old generation because we grew up playing console games with controllers. So when we started less playing and stuff, we didn't do it from a computer on our desk looking at the camera. We did it on a couch with the camera pointed at the TV in the living room. So everything we played was like, yeah, the computer and keyboard are way over there. I don't know. I got a controller to play my video game. So that's kind of turned into, I hope this game supports controllers, even though times have moved into a very keyboard.

W-A-S-D-focused mouse-and-keyboard thing, you know? Now, I will say, Wully, as I've gotten older, my back is rock-solid, my back is super good. However, using a mouse and keyboard for more than an hour or two does give me some RSI. So now I have an old man-baby reason to, like, beg for controller support on everything. Okay.

Yes, on controller support, of course. We have to do it either way to port to console, and we want to do full Steam Deck support. But I will say, like, I would say half of our testers play like a lot a lot of our testers that are active right now are playing on deck steam deck and they do like the virtual

little cursor and that works really well I wish they came out with a second steam controller that first one was a piece of shit but like the steam deck's controls are excellent and there's a touchscreen there too if you don't want any of that either

right so it has you covered in a lot of different ways yeah um sick okay uh yeah i know that like so far a lot of the footage and everything that's been shown off you always have that like this is just like the first chapter or so shit goes crazy and it's massive and insane um this is like i guess just in terms of sheer content like you've described it as like how much bigger than isaac um i mean it's definitely bigger i would say it's bigger I wouldn't say it's as big as, man, I don't even know anymore, though.

Maybe it is as big as repentance. I would say it's a little smaller than Isaac and all the DLCs. I would say it's a little bit smaller than that. But it's hard to, it's hard to say. I think you'll get, I think Isaac has more hours because it has so many more characters in the end. There's a shit ton now. So a lot of people that are going for like 100% percent.

completion it may take longer to to 100% Isaac but I don't know I mean I'm so I am my current save I was just finishing up a run when this started and I was losing but I'm I'm doing one of the final runs of the game and then there's a quest at the end once I do that quest the game will have ended story-wise and I'm at I'll probably be at like 250 hours for the story. Okay. I don't know what that means is trying to, like, go back in 100% the game. I don't even know.

I have no clue. But it is a deep sprawling game, even just story-wise. It has three acts, and we've only really spoiled stuff from the first. As it should. Someone popped the question up earlier. What are the positive gameplay aspects of cancer? Oh, yeah. you mutate you slowly die but you mutate like crazy the mutations are like a key aspect of the game too

that i haven't really shown much in in my let's place but uh so essentially every piece of the cat the cats look like the way they do in game because they're built in a specific way that lets me modularly use every piece of the cat like kind of like a little puppet um so you can mutate a cat's eyes, head, eyebrows, mouth, body, front legs, back legs, tail, textures, and each of those things has like 150 to 200 variations of mutations. So you could have like a spring tail, which makes it so if people hit you, they bounce off of you and shoot across the screen. You could have like web toes, which makes it so you don't get, you can walk on water without

issue you can get horns which literally give you thorns and like let you ram into things that sort of stuff and what cancer can do is just give you a ton of these combined okay yeah you just you just go in but it's killing your cats so like you're trying to at the end of each chapter there's three chapters in a run and at the end of each chapter you get the option to continue forward or check out go home like cut your losses so you could farm the first chapter of an area, try to get as many mutations as you possibly can, bring them home, then try to breed those mutations in. You might get some bad ones, but you try to breathe those out, braid the good ones in, and do some fun breeding with those. But yeah,

that's the design for cancer. Okay. I'm thinking of cyborg justice on the Genesis from back in the day. You know, getting like the tank legs, pulling off the pneumatic legs and sticking those on to replace your tank legs and get a super jump out of that yeah okay um you can you can get tires for legs i haven't had those recently i have water balloon legs right now uh pat we get hit it makes water underneath you sick pat we got to talk to a friend jean park uh about about his mutating abilities about his level of mutation yes exactly um incredible uh okay I also saw too there's a basically like as you do your inbreeding long enough you get your family tree where you see the the arrows just pointing back upwards to each other and fucking just all that like oh no I don't like that this is not a straight linear hierarchy tree there shouldn't be arrows going in circles back upwards you don't you don't want to inbreed Inbreed will yield mutations that you don't want.

They can be pretty bad. Oh, fuck. I had a cat with a tail, so it was an inbred tail, and the tail was so fat that it could not take its first turn. Like, it couldn't move. It was just, like, stuck immobilized because its tail is so fat. Not the greatest, but it did buff, it did buff its constitution. So there was like a, I was able to breed it into a bunch of hunters that were just staying back

and just they didn't need to move first round. Okay. So they'll just take the Constitution bonus and just fire it out. The more we talk about this, the more I realize that I have to get Paige my wife to take a look at this because she had a barn cat situation when she was growing up and like everything you're describing was basically occurring maybe 100 feet from her house in that barn. Also, I think like the idea of every, we're all all. thinking about our disabilities and weird shit we got going on and going, okay, but what is the stats on that, though? What, where did the buff go? Those points got taken away here, but what did they get added to, you know? Yeah. It's a, it's a, that is the reality of, um,

honestly, it's the reality of a parent. Like, you're going to, in the coming years, tell me, speak to me. Let's go. In the coming years, you're going to look and you're going to be like, you're going to realize that maybe the trauma that you experienced religiously wasn't 100% the cause of all your issues

and that maybe and that may be something that you were born with maybe maybe something you were born with may have been making not only making you feel how you feel, but also your parents felt that way,

which is why they ended up going this direction. So I've got a bunch of, I've got an endless amount of really poor, barely functional people in my family. And I was like, why is everybody in my family so poor? Why is like, it goes poorer as it goes further out, right? I was like, oh, well, they're just all, you know, drug addicts, right?

So they're all drunks. but there's a reason and I found that out now there's a reason why they were all having such a hard time socially in social situations

they couldn't keep jobs they couldn't do these things and then they self-medicated it's because there were something inherently wrong with them all and all of those things got passed down and funneled into me

and now they're in my kids and I've got to help them realize that this world does not necessarily function in a way for people who aren't just regular old people. And they have to find their strengths

and they have to double down on their strengths in order to persevere in this world that doesn't cater to people who don't function as well as everybody else. Makes you think. That's all the time we have for today. I got to go. I got to get the fuck out of here.

That's crazy. You can't hit me with that. That's... Oh, that's been my life for the past five years when I'm like, I'm like seeing, I'm seeing these things. The craziest thing for me was when my oldest daughter started to have stomach problems and have phobias of leaving the house because she felt like she was going to get sick when that was my life as a kid. And I'm like, I always thought this was because I was so petrified to go anywhere because of what was happening at home. You know what I mean? nurture like exactly and then like she's got a two parents she's got a perfect life she has

the financial stability she has the same thing that i never spoke to her about and she's talking to me in the same way that i talked to my mom when i was little i'm just like my head's exploding who could have who could have first seen this uh okay genetics are strong man Okay, you go, okay, that's, that's cool. Oh, fuck, okay, all right. Um, yeah, yeah, you just, that's a crit. That's a crit. That's deep.

That's bad. Yeah, you're good. You knew that. Um, well, no, but I definitely blame a lot of shit on, on nurture. I am I am I am I currently build a house blaming nurture you know I I feel you I'm not trying to take away from that but there is a perspective there that kind of realizes that the nurture may have been caused by nature that's all I'm saying it's like I'm comes first and I'm not even necessarily giving throwing sympathy and to anyone who wronged me in

the past you know what I mean I'm not giving them an excuse or anything else but I'm at least understanding which is helpful so at some point I'm grabbing my my daughter and saying it's inescapable you are destined you may you may grab your daughter and you say listen we are mutants and we've got these special powers and you you need to learn how to use these special powers and you show her how to use those special powers and that's and then you hope for the best okay well we'll start hey i got i got a deliberate smile from her this week you know oh yeah so i'll take that week seven so we're just you know jesus right i'll start There. I'll start with that.

And then we'll get to the meat and potatoes at a later date. I got to tell you, my toddler is like rock solid, resilient, like a million times tougher than I was. I walked out with this shit and he just pointed at me and went purple dad. Wow. Like nothing. Taked it. Completely tanked it. I remember when my dad shaved his mustache and my entire household just completely fell apart.

and all we all just lost our fucking minds. All this stupid clown shit and purple hair is like, whatever, purple dad. Yay. Like literally purple dad clap. Yay. And he's give a fuck. And not even aware of the idea that like, oh, this is for other people that they're, that are seeing this conceptually.

That's an idea that has not yet entered the equation, you know? It's like, oh, yeah, that looks different now. Okay. Okay. uh shit well let's that that's that's that's that's that's that's that from his mother for sure that's not that that pat as a child would have lost his shit if he saw a clown at two years old i hate them um i i look forward to uh what other horrifying realities meugenics will have in store uh getting through that and and taking back taking whatever lessons i can dad, you know, from this game into parenting, I suppose. I don't know if that's what you're trying to get. There's no less.

Mugenics is a mirror. That's all I can do. That's all I can do. It's just a mirror. It's there to see that life, I personally think, life is about adapting to the situation and persevering. And that's really what Mugenics is about. You're going to have setbacks.

You're going to have hardships. You're going to overcome those. and if you don't, the next generation will. Like, it's just where we're at. Right on. Okay. Coming out in February? Yeah, February 10th. Let's go.

And then if it's, I'm going to assume, if it's like other things you've worked on, shit will continue to just get, exactly. It'll always have an update button every time you look at it in Steam and a bunch of new shit will just continuously pop into it forever. I mean, you're not, lion. Like, I enjoy... Y'all can't stop. I have enjoyed

this project so much. It feels very much like Isaac. There's no doubt in my mind that there's going to be a few DLCs come in after this. It is infinitely expandable. It feels very magic the gathering, so it's very easy to make a new expansion for it. And I will be doing that

with Tyler, for sure. Hell yeah. All right. Let's jump around a little bit. So that's Mugenics, everybody. How was your week? What have you been up to? Nothing.

No, I dyed my hair this fucking shade of purple. Boy, that takes a while when you get rid of hair. Professionally, sitting down with a... I went and called a very nice lady who is a talented professional. And I sat down and took like an hour and a half to bleach of this shit, at which point I looked like discount gnome Hulk Hogan. I took a photo of that. It's not good.

You see, you could, you could run the bit from last time with the whole, oh, you forgot to put your makeup on this week. Yeah, no. Right. No, it's, no, I'm tired. Okay. I don't want to. Okay. And then, uh, we, we went with this shade of purple because specifically I didn't want to run into a, it looks like purple thing to me on stream, but everyone keeps telling me it's blue situation.

Oh, your GameCube colored beard. I see what you're saying. We're definitely, like, not indigo, like, purple, purple. Because that's what the audience wanted. That's what they literally asked for. And I knew it was going to be something special when the lady's washing my hair and just going, oh, my God, it's so fucking purple. It came out so fucking purple.

Like, those are direct quotes. Wow. Ed, do you have any opinions on the Indigo GameCube and whether or not it's closer to blue or purple? It's closer to blue. Hmm. Interesting. I had one. Okay. I would definitely say it was closer to blue.

Let me look it up. Okay. I want to look again. It's dead center. It was built to cause this argument. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, if you, okay, okay, okay, this is fuck. Because there are two pictures as the results, and they fluctuate from blue to purple. Depending on the light.

What is indigo, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you look indigo game cube, And there's two results on the, uh, on the top. And the first one's purple and the second one's blue. Sometimes JPEGs have different artifacting and such as well, you know. It's, if you, if you Google it, you can see like, these shits are. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay.

I, we, we've litigated. And this is a closed case, but we, I was just curious as a new person was sitting here with what they thought. I will re-litigate one part of this argument. Yeah. I would like to relitigate it because I think. about it all the time. It's my go-to example of this scenario where you brought up, oh man, I'm so

sick of arguing about whether or not the GameCube is purple. And then I said, Ed, it is purple. And then you went, oh, I'm so sick of it. But you brought it up. It was you. Notice that I did it again this time.

I hate it. So I dyed this shit out. And then I exited the hairdresser at like fucking 3.30 p.m. into a major city directly next to a bus stop where like a hundred people were waiting

for the fucking bus. Yeah, they were. And got to have like everybody's grandma and high school kid just turn to see me simultaneously and just get hit with just a blast of judgment. Just a

fucking shitstorm eyes. The question is, have you run into anyone that you recognize, you know? I have run into people at a restaurant that I go to often. I have run into my neighbors. Okay. And I've run into people at like the play place that we take the baby to.

And it has been a long-term explanation every single fucking time. Lost the bet. Sucks. Just hold up the lost the bet sign. I'm currently telling everyone that I lost a bet that I could beat you in Street Fighter. That is why I've gone with it. Fine. It is the fastest way to explain it.

Fine. Yeah. Oh, it's rough. But then I, so the worst part actually isn't like going out and being like, I'm a weirdo. The worst part is that I wake up in the morning and every single day, I'm like, what? Oh, right, right.

I did that. Because like I forget. Every single day I forget. Okay. That I did this. So, um, just for some weird backstory, but, the funny part is that this whole series of dyes and clown face paint and all that stuff has been part of Pat's sub-tember one of which was to shave in the mutton chops which was

originally just a full beard. That was the first one. That's the new. But when the mutton chops came in, everyone kind of looked at it and went, wait, what the fuck? That actually works really well for you. I was just going to say, it doesn't look bad. Yeah, that's not a punishment at all.

The cloud shit and the purple, that's not really working so good. Well, although Paige did a really good job with this Captain Spalding makeup this week. The eyebrows are serving words that YouTube don't want me to say, but yes, they are serving, indeed. I kind of miss my old head. I miss my old head now. I want it back now. I have 27 days to go. How long is the removal process?

Oh, for the, for the makeup. Yeah. It's a five-minute shower. Oh, nice. Okay. It comes right off. Okay. That's why after.

to drink my drink with a straw because if I don't, the lips will come right off. But then we don't get our smeared clown mascara dripping email version. Put your dick away. But that's what I need, though. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.

I know. This is not for you. For them. The way you say that, you say that in a way that it implies it's for other people. Yeah, I don't know. Um, I, uh, I also, I beat Lisa the Painful this week. Oh shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, which is, uh, excellent.

Mm-hmm. Weirdly, incredibly similar to Last of Us. Hmm. Like, they came out, like, right around the same time and, like, very weird. I think it's much more successful in its, in its themes than Last of Us is. I think it has the best shitty soundtrack of any game I've ever heard in my life. Farting tubas. Um, I think the first, I play,

the definitive edition. I think the version of Work Harder with the Shenmu sound effect is better than the replacement, but I understand why they did that. It is the only game I have ever played in my entire life that I got to the end and went, wow, what a perfect ending. I really am actually kind of mad that there exist a sequel slash DLC at all. I don't know what is in it, but the ending to Lisa is so perfect that I'm like, oh, they should have just, left it there, really, genuinely. Okay. The Joyful is going to have to sell me really

bad. Unfortunately, I played it too long ago to remember the specifics of the point. Yeah, but I remember really enjoying the Joyful, and I liked it and thought it was a good addition, but I don't remember what they undid to

do it. Oh, okay, okay, that. It has a slight believe open to interpretation ending that that's, that's your, I believe that's your ending that you got though. I don't think that's the only one so I didn't get that. I don't recall what you're describing

there, so yeah, interesting. I did a lot of drugs in that game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a different route. Um, of course, you knew about this already, but you ran into your cameo in the game, of course. I did. I ran into me and Matt, and then I was instructed that if I were to help me and Matt that we would blow up an entire

fucking town and ruin a huge portion of the game because we're untrustworthy shitheads with dynamite, which does fit our personality in 2014. Was it 2014? Oh my God, that's so long ago. 2014. Okay. Yeah.

I also fought I think Danny and Sterling as boss fights and kick their asses. There's a bunch of us sprinkled all over the place. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. So, okay. Yeah, this is an interesting thing you're describing where the ending that you got makes it so that you don't want more game, whereas the ending I got made it so that more made sense.

I will have to go and look up the variations later. And that's almost one of those like, okay, well, you got a pick. Did you ride out of their out of, this is Ocelot and Merrill, right? Like, what are you choosing to go forward with? They both survived. Shut up with that coward shit. Yeah. That's stupid.

we had room on the on the back of the snowmobile for everybody ridiculous um okay sick are you gonna touch joyful yes yes i'm playing joyful this week um i also bought battlefield downloaded battlefield got into battlefield once then when i tried to load it steam got locked into a permanent update is unreleased dc freak bug that i could not solve within an hour so i refunded battlefield so that's my battlefield review is that I launched it once and then it refused to launch ever again. Good game.

Shit. All right. Great, great game. I also played some 2XCO of note is that we discussed, we were playing together, I discussed the creation of the, from Janoru on the blue sky, the creation of the killer whale term.

Yes. Being people who spend a shidze billion dollars on skins, but then are actually good at the game. And I remember explaining that to you as we were in duos and you were like, man, that's great. And then we went into versus and you then loaded in with the $140 skin and then beat the shit out of me. And I'm like, oh, no wonder you liked the term killer whale, Mr. Porpoise. Call me Shamu. Yeah. And like, I am blown away. You loaded up 2XKO and what yeah I'll buy it all yeah give me give me now yeah I know it's one of those I like I said before I'm like this is a this is a free fighting game that I am going to play a lot of well it's

it depends on what you what your feelings are towards how much you want to go in or whatever but I was like yeah no I'm down to give this I'm down to uh get what I want in this game and I'm specifically going to focus on the characters I like playing you know um but that uh that in general is has been, I'm looking at the, uh, the stuff where I'm like, oh yeah,

you get the, the rotating, uh, two week thing for the other skins and stuff. And essentially I'm like, okay, I see stuff that is going to be for the characters I care about. I don't really feel the need to collect as much.

Um, that's not a part of it. In rivals, I kind of did feel a little bit at what I was like, I said, I wanted that Marvel versus Capcom venom skin or so. But yeah, in this case,

I'm kind of just like happy to lock in. on the characters I like and stick with them. I'm being told in chat that I've actually shortened the shop rotation to a single week. That's good. Which, that's interesting. That's good. Do I have anything else that I want to say about that game? No, I guess not.

It's fun. Yeah. And that's pretty much it for me. Instead of playing Battlefield, I just hit more matches in 2XCO. Which I think I'm bad at. I might actually be shit at that game. So you've had, again, a long history of, like, fighting game knowledge in terms of streetfighter and, like, games like that. And, like, there is another reflex, which is the Marvel versus Capcom faster-paced, team-based thing.

And there are, yeah, habits and stuff that you build up over time in this separate genre. It's the difference between getting good at, I don't know, like a Counter-Strike style. realistic shooter versus going fucking nuts in quake, you know, or unreal or so. It's just, it's two different types of things. The fundamentals carry over, but learning how to aim is always going to be learning how to aim. But, uh, yeah, I still don't know how to use that tag shit. So it's so weird. But that's what it is.

I wish Juggernaut was good enough that I could just use that, but it's terrible. I, yeah, I think, well, we'll have to see. I think it's, I think it's, I think it's going to be character specific, you know, I've, uh, the ability to, to engage with the tag system and or not based on whether you want to, sounds like a cool idea, but only some characters are going to be good enough to be able to support having one or the other. Um, yeah, uh, Absalom. Right. That's another thing that, uh, oh, I did play that. Uh, that is, uh, beat them up rogue like. It's excellent. Uh, it's by Dot Emu guys. It's by those streets or age four guys. It's fantastic.

It's, it's one of those weird games that we talk about on here where I'm like, I don't know what to say about it. It feels good. It looks great. It sounds fantastic. It's great. Okay. I was sponsored to play it, though. So take my words with a grain of salt because I received monetary compensation for playing it. Yep. But I was going to cover it anyway. So it's a hashtag sponsored opinions. Yes. Yeah. There we go. Take, take your. Guys, mind if I run to the bathroom real quick. Absolutely. Yeah. Sure thing. I'll mute my, uh, mic. Okay.

Would that be pretty much it on your end? That would be it. You can check out me streaming this week. I'm going to do Lisa the Joyful, and I'm going to be doing, I'm going to start Kronos, the new dawn over at Twitch. dot TV slash Pat Stairsat and YouTube.com slash Pat Stairs at. People are asking me to talk about Silent Hill. Okay, fine.

I got two more of the endings, and they're fucking great. They're fucking great. And people who are not playing through that game multiple times and are just looking up the endings, like every person I've talked to other than me, are missing out. Okay. I literally spoke to somebody yesterday. It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I beat it.

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2X.O, yeah, we played not much else to talk about beyond. You're really good at 2X.K. You should feel very proud and big. I like tag Marvel Style Fighters. It's very fun. So 2XKO is the League of Legends fighting game, Ed, that just, that just came out. And we love our fighting games over here.

That's our big backbone genre. Yes, we are. We're not going to be going into the discussions on frame data, even though, you know, that's a nightmare for a lot of our listeners, actually. But, no, it's, yeah, I've been, I've been definitely enjoying and getting in there and getting a couple matches. And it's just, it's scratching the itch because right now is nighttime baby bottle duty. and I need something I can dive into and then throw away and run back to deal with the sudden...

Yeah, bro, it's how I hit Master Ranking in Street Fighter. It's like, hey, you know what I have time for? I have time for two minutes. Yes, yes. So that's it. Like, this is what is working now. And anything that's a little more involved or in depth, like I want to get into Death Stranding, too.

I want to see what's going on over there. Oh, this is the worst time of your life. possibly get into Death Stranding 2. Because Destranding 2 is all about trucking and time being spent, building roads and reconnecting the average sit-down time of Death Stranding 2 is like

40 minutes. Yeah. You don't have uninterrupted 40-minute periods of time. That's not happening. Ed, was your first months of baby stuff? Like, did you find ways to efficiently

juggle time? And diaper changing? There's a lot. I mean, we had a pretty amazing infants that just they got their needs met and they were nursed for a very long period of time. So exclusively. So they were like very happy with everything and they were fine. So I did have time to still do some stuff. It was like the kids didn't get hard until three.

Then they got exponentially hard. Oh. I've been smooth sailing. and I was told I was going to hit terrible twos and my man is just still a perfect angel and I've then been informed that oh well then you're looking for the terrible threes and I'm like

maybe you'll be fine. Not my perfect child. My child is perfect. Yeah, we never know what's going to happen. But threes, for us threes are for both of them or when they were like I can run at full speed

and I like running away from you and I will run into traffic. Oh, that's the fun one. Yeah. Okay. There's a lot of running after them and a lot of like, I'll take the phone and I'll throw it down the hill.

I'll, you know, that sort of stuff. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the thing is like I'm, we're currently, like, I know that you can get like, I get random attributes on baby.

One of them might be a climber, you know? Yeah. Eliming, hitting, spitting, biting. And so I've already done, I've already done, uh, some of the, you know, major childproofing in the house and stuff preemptively, but like, you know, we learned the whole trick of like, no, get down on the ground and crawl like a baby and look at everything that might be around and see what you can pull onto yourself and destroy yourself with, you know, you know, maybe. Um, you could. And that's, be, be wary of, of corners, wooden corners of tables. They're always at the high. height that they are when they're walking. Both of my kids have giant heads. And they like to, they're like lopsided and they just keep knocking their heads and everything.

Our youngest, I just had bruise head constantly. And even like sliced her head open on the side there. So, yeah. Yeah. So I've got the bookshelf with all my games and, you know, old console stuff all on it on display. And I'm like, well, you know, that's nice and sturdy. And you're like, but what if someone from dead?

down here just started climbing it and, you know, the heavier books and consoles are at the bottom, but then they get up to my little metal gear figure up here and that's really light and this whole thing just starts tilting like, ah, you know, so I'm like, I guess I have to get into anchoring all my bookshelves now, you know, and I have a feeling you're going to be on it though. I mean, unless you're just like letting your kid do whatever they're doing and not paying any attention at all for an extended periods of time, you're fine. We would like rope them in. we got these like weird little almost like plastic large tetracy type pieces they look like hashtags and they would like fit together and make like a baby gate and we would just baby gate off

like a large portion of the living room okay and she would just graze in that area right in front of the TV while we were relaxing and all eyes were on she's got out we know the large free roam cage system yeah yeah I think that's where we're going to need for sure I'm I'm kind though I'm looking around at this like arcade laser light I I want to go up there studio thing I have behind me and go no no

stimulation chamber no no no hyper stimulation chamber for you just yet and it's like I'm sure there will be I want nothing more in life than to get in there and climb up your your thing and Willie this is like you know what is your obsession with my forbidden cave of mystery

like shit yeah so you know halfway up the the the berserk just to see what the virgil's doing and then oh we've got a a neck dive you know into problems i'm like yeah we're gonna we're gonna be on top of it but the idea of like you look away for a half second you know is like that's that's the one that i'm aware of and still kind of just noticing um we put we put her in the bouncer for like one second where you just kind of you have her in like a little like bouncing seat thing and they go like hey this is fine but you know if they start falling asleep you want to make sure that their heads are not tilted forward that's bad and I'm like yeah we're going to keep that eye and I remember

I like I turned my head and I said something you know to my wife and it was like in that time frame it's just like oh she got herself right into that position it was an it was just a jerk into that and I was like that's how fast it is you know so I'm already just doing all the visual calculus like you know preemptive you know is is every is our thing say enough or the quarter is safe enough i don't know we'll we'll figure it out this this may be one of the mutant powers i was talking about sorry no sorry talking at the same time i was saying um maybe this is one of those mutant powers i was talking about when you um i can hyper focus on things you can hyper focus on the protection of your young yes okay okay it's not a downside i know it's

considered neurotic and i understand i'm i uh first kid slapped with a baby monitor underneath her to so the check the heartbeat and everything right yeah yeah yeah yeah i had a little of a heart monitor sock on my yeah yeah yeah so it was a nerve-racking experience we don't use we have the sock we don't use it but it's there and it pretty much everyone went like you can put this on and you know depends on whether you think it'll add to or reduce your stress and anxiety what kind of person are you you know massively reduced our house yes stress so um no I think there's definitely a little bit of that and there's that part of it too where it's just like, okay, I'm going to definitely expect to watch you face plant and just pop back up.

Oh, dude, it's the funniest thing. And you're like, we're cool? And you're like, and then hopefully get like a, ah! And you're like, all right, yeah, we're cool. You know? It's the funniest thing watching you fall down. It's hilarious. So anyway, I'm queuing up my future gaming decisions based on what I can do while.

splitting my eyeballs in multiple directions. Oh yeah, I do have one last thing to say about 2XCO before we leave. Oh, which is, uh, because we talked about how leagues, sorry, riots monetization for Roon Terra like tanked that game because it never made a dime. It was a massive fucking failure. They gave, they gave away a lot to people. They gave people a whole lot. And then we talked about how like the costumes are like a massive fucking ripoff in 2XCO. But the game's free. So, uh, uh, uh, judging by the amount of people. people I fight that have bought that fucking $140 C-A-D skin pack, that game's got a bright fucking future, because it's like 30% of all players are rocking one of those skins.

People really like Arcane. Yeah, I should probably watch it. It's good. It's a good show. But yes. So just a quick bit, Silk Song. I didn't do a ton. I'm pushing a little further in.

Did you check out Hollow Night and Silk Song at all, Ed? I played Hollow Night a little bit. I know everybody loves it and I know it's considered like right up there for Metroidvania's but I'm not a big Metroidvania fan. Okay.

It just didn't. I think maybe if I had more time to really get into it, I probably would have gotten past the initial little hill. But I mean, it looks amazing and I'm all for that type of unique world. building. I like the character design and everything else like that, but I have not played

Silk Song. Gotcha. The main issue that I can see for Hollow Night as somebody who doesn't is not like a big Metroid crazy person is that like Hollow Night and Silk Song are like, hey, do you love Metroid or Castlevania? Do you wish it was like eight to ten times longer than those games? And I say yes, absolutely. I also really like the way Laura's delivered in as well, just, you know, besides the little, like, you know, in-scene, like, tablets and, and objects you pick up and stuff, the, the idea of a Castlevania or Metro game with, like, little settlements, you know, is like, like, little areas of respite where people are around and you can talk to them and, you know, kind of get deeper into what's going on.

They do more, like, world building than story, yeah. I definitely, yeah, yeah, and they... Yeah, I like to, I think that's more appropriate in games in general. I think it's the way to, it really shines brighter in a video game to make a world that not necessarily tells a story, but gives you an idea of the setting that you're experiencing than a, you know, a traditional game where you like string it together with cutscenes. Yeah. Um, I think, uh, Silk Song does a pretty good job of that because again, you're, you know, you're platforming through this, you know, big Metroid map and it's massive. But like, you're working your way essentially from the outskirts of,

you know a kind of desolate area into like this grand citadel on the hill and then you're kind of getting to see what life is like for people you know on the way getting closer and closer to this point and and uh meeting you know kind of fun characters along the way and overall having a nice um yeah a nice balance between like that was a like and i get to to say souls like is like i guess the appropriate thing here but ultimately like oh that was a cool boss what was their deal oh that was their deal oh shit that's pretty sick okay you know yeah Um, but, um, I had the, I was talking last week, um, Pat about the first sinner and yeah, so I did that fight and beat it. And I think that's my most satisfying single fight in the game so far. It's the second best fight in the game. So your, your taste is on point. I really like it not, yeah, there's a lot of the game that doesn't resemble this, but this is a moment that feels like, um, everything that you've learned about fighting the hard bosses and all, your movement skills and abilities are being tested in this one boss fight where essentially

the best way I can describe it at is basically there's a boss fight in this game that feels as if you are watching a fight out of like Dragon Ball Z where things are just flying all over the place and zips and whatnot but you are doing it manually against a boss that is moving and teleporting around the screen and filling it up with all kinds of things you have to react to aggressively and you have to use your movement abilities at this point in the game you have quite a few of them to, you know, essentially do the ridiculous over-the-top anime fight moment, you know? Yeah.

And it can be a game that these skills are really useful for slower-paced moments, for platforming, or for things like this. And, you know, like, it's nice that you, it has a full breadth of what you can do with your abilities in it. So it was a great exam, you know, of your ability to navigate, quickly recognize where threats are coming from, and then also recognize where the teleport is going to be and, you know, get some damage in and have a high-paced fight. It was very, very cool.

I love that part of it. And, yeah, I guess, Pat, I just want to ask you, like, the thing you get for beating that fight, uh, kind of sucks. I don't know how I'm supposed to really use that effectively. It's Rune Rage. I used it twice and was like, oh, it actually sucks. So is it? So I looked it up a bit and it seems like it's a skill that just lets you cast a spell that has

random circles appear on screen. and if the enemies are in those circles they'll get tons of damage a lot of damage but you don't know where the circles will appear no it's totally unreliable and i'm seeing people describe it as like the circles tend to be where the enemy was and there is a bit of intelligence to it it's not completely random but i i don't know how to make use of it you know i don't okay go back to cross stitch okay yeah i'm just that's out i just want the thing that makes everything around me explode for a couple seconds. And I think that's what I'll do.

Yeah, yeah. So, all right, cool. Yeah, just going to keep going on with that. And for anyone who's been, you know, checking out over on the Woolly versus Main Channel, I've been away on the, you know, dad leave for quite a bit, but we have started resuming our streams. And, you know, I started my first stream back this week yesterday. So I'm going to put out a video to kind of explain some of the changes coming to the

channel a bit more, but essentially every week we're going to be doing more chill streams, just kind of hanging out with everybody talking, shooting the shit. We played some Wardle and, you know, Street Fight Turtle and Scandal, which, I don't know if you know anything about Scrandall,

Ed or Pat, but... It's on the list. There's a website where they show you photos of two different meals you can buy in Europe, usually, at a football game or soccer game and it's Scran is the word for food you buy out watching a

footy match essentially they show you like the meal that you buy at the stadium and they show you the price and they go which do you think more people would have chosen or clicked on based on the food the quality of it and the price and a lot of it is gross looking weird flat burgers with no toppings or this kind of decent looking fry with like cheese sprinkled on it and not much effort but it's only two quid you know and then you got to pick what you think people went for more um that's interesting yeah it it so your first instinct is to be like oh well just pick the more delicious item every single time yeah but then it's like but price but price yeah but then it's like no no no no this is this that amazing looking hot dog costs like 13

pounds you know and and this is in like norway or whatever it shows you the flag so you see the country it's coming from. So you're like, ugh, you can't just go on the quality, you know. Scandal's fun. It's fun. And it's also a wild, there's some dissonance that occurs where you're like, sometimes you're like, wait, what is wrong with people? That is a very delicious looking bowl of chili. Why would you turn that down? And it's like, nah, people are going for this weird half-pogo hot dog round thing with mustard on it that's kind of gray because apparently that's a delicate and we're just like what the fuck is happening why would you want to I don't know but it's a great website to go to

when you want to feel like everyone in the whole fucking world is stupid about food opinions yeah um there's also evil mode where you click it and then so evil mode makes it so that the food photos that pop up are sometimes inverted in color or blurry or gray. And then you're like, well, you can't use how delicious the bread looks to determine

whether this is a good hot dog or not. That is even though. I don't like that. You got to use the, you got to like invert the colors in your brain or in some cases it's just a blur, but you're like, oh,

that blur is showing some ribs that look pretty tasty though. But it's, you can't see the price. You're not too sure. Well, just emulating what my wife sees when she goes to eat something

without her glasses on. just that bad yeah um and and uh at one point like there was there was like there's like a hot like british pie or whatever um but it was the kind where like it didn't look too appetizing but like i'm like no but it probably tastes good i i kind of get the idea of that and uh reggie my co-host goes on a whole thing just talking about there's there are foods you're not supposed to look at you're just supposed to buy into and enjoy turned out I can't, I can't. You have to look at food before you eat it.

I can't, I can't be just, no, yeah, anyway, there's a place here in Montreal called O'Noire, Ed, where it's a restaurant that is all in darkness, and the waiters that work there are all blind, and so essentially it's like emulating like a blind experience, and you are brought to your table and, like, they bring you your menu and everything. it has to just be done verbally and then you get to eat in the dark. And you eat your eyes. Yeah. I haven't tried it, but... And then they probably just bring out microwaved old McDonald's to you. Well, you can't see it, so...

You can't see. Yeah. Because the first bite is with the eyes. I mean, plating is a whole thing. And who gives a fuck about plating if you can't see the fancy swirl of, you know, creme brulee. Anyway, so all this to say, yeah, we're back to streaming and, you know, I'll be posting the schedule up on my, my socials, but we'll be doing another chill stream next week. Mondays usually is what we're looking at and then more of the schedule into the future after that.

But it's going to be depending on how much baby needs more stuff. So I am currently just evident flowing according to the needs of diaper, diaper changing. Um, gotten really fast at that, by the way. I got the shit down to a science. I told you, I told you you were going to get super good at it. It's sick. I'm like, like, start the timer and just get that like second layer going, scrape, pop, blah, pop, pop, pop, toss, go.

It's, it's working out. You get really good at a bunch of stuff. Um, also, I know it's completely random, but the fact that, that, uh, my wife is the one who got all the blowouts and I haven't had a single one. I feel like it's a skill issue, you know? I'm kind of just currently. riding that out and go like yeah no it's just hey can somebody clip this and send it to me so i can send it to his wife it's just it's all in the wrist you know and babes you're just yeah she i don't know what it is

but it's seems like it's your problem you know it's just something about and cooked you've sealed your fucking fate i have had i have had nary a blowout so far uh damn um anyways uh anyways uh not much else to it really but yeah we'll leave versus on Twitch and YouTube we're streaming in both locations now so tune in if you want to see a little bit more bro I was I was talking to Bricky yesterday

and I was telling him about multi-streaming he's like yeah I've been doing it for a while and I was like he's like what are you using I go oh I'm using this and he goes ah that thing sucks you should use this other solution and then he went to go stream and his shit completely broke and fell apart and he had to contact me and be like never mind all that shit I said

you just you just keep doing this thing you're doing it's you got it yeah just behind the scenes do the do as many tests as possible until you're sick of it and then rest assured once you go live for the first time it'll all stop working anyways it'll break every time every single fucking time um the so i used to work in in qa and i used to do like um you know quality assurance for games and stuff and compliance in particular. So a big thing was going from the like late PS2 era into like Xbox and then 360 and so on. Just kind of watching as like, oh, we now have things like day one patches that can exist to fix issues and just how much like the dev process went, fuck it, ship it, we'll fix

it later and just hope nobody finds it on the release build. Like horrible. save destroying bugs and it's like yeah they won't find it just push the patch it'll be okay you know um practice i had one of those super people i had one of those yeah one save erasing yeah yeah yeah and we had a patch it and we did okay and uh only only a handful yeah but yeah we we we fixed it no it happens it happens i mean the beauty of steam like people get on my ass because the most common thing people ask me is why isn't the latest update for Isaac on console

and as you probably know like it's a it costs money to do that and we can't just be like hey Sony we're updating the game it's like no you have to get approval and it has to go through lot check and all the stuff has to be checked and maybe it will fail you know and then you've got to fix shit right and that all costs money and takes time so

you don't want to take something that is a work in progress and then just be like well the people want it so let's put it let's get it going until you find all the things that are wrong with it yeah it's really nice to be able to do that like that's why i focus my development on pc exclusively initially um because the games i tend to make are stupidly complicated and can go wrong in very specific ways that are a one and a million chance which still happen and there's no way to find those things out until somebody reports them So it's nice that Steam lets you just, you're responsible for your game. Go on the fly.

Yeah, yeah. They are looser with it, for sure. The hardware manufacturer guidelines change according to just each console. And so I remember, yeah, so, you know, whether it's Sony TRCs or Xbox TCRs and all that stuff, the Nintendo was always really wild with their lot check stuff because they would find a bunch of issues that were all like, you cannot release until you fix these but they would hide shit from the devs until the second

pass so the first pass they'd be like we found 30 things that you cannot release the game with but really we found 40 and there's 10 here that we're going to hold back until the next build and see if you just do your job and find it properly and it's like why don't

you help us and work together and let us know what you found and they're like nah and by the the way, that's like, like, there's the UK office versus NOA versus NOJ is a whole other thing, you know, but like the fact that they're like, we found bugs we're going to sit on like little choice morsels to release at you later is crazy. But that was a big part of it too, you know? Um, yeah, we had all kinds of horror stories with around, around submission time.

You have like the worst, sorry, you have the second worst like bug field of anyone I've ever encountered the worst has to be page the both like as soon as you guys touch anything it just flies apart you know she destroyed she broke our baseboard heaters in the house two days ago doing what like oh it's getting cold there's a knob we should turn the heaters on so she goes to turn it on and then i came to stream and then she's like oh my god the house is so cold i've been messing with the heat all day just turning it on up and down and i'm like they're not on she's like what do you mean they're on like you didn't check to see if you were even turning them on like no Yeah, no wonder it's cold

The house is totally uneaten Somehow she tripped the breaker I don't know how she did it She tripped the fuse I had to pull the views box out And be like You somehow Trip the fuse on the break

I don't know what the fuck you doing If you know if that's like She should have gone into QA like I did then You know Turn that into an ability And use it to report bugs It's super handy Yeah

No the um the i'm remembering like to so when it comes to like non super serious game breaking issues though like there's always that kind of like okay this is like a b class issue that's like it gets in the way it's kind of it's not a huge issue but like if you kind of um have a game with thousands of moving parts and things like that you have to kind of just let it go a bit you know um kind of like old fallout right and things like that i feel like one of the most complicated testing times we had uh back in the was scribblnots. You had...

Oh, yeah, I bet. We had to do quality assurance on scribble knots, man. And you're like, think of how many words across multiple languages and making sure that the solutions to these problems can be solved in a billion different way. You just have to... You just give up. Like, we're like, we're going to do the best. We can.

But accept that as a player, you're going to run into some wild shit here and just roll with it, you know? it's kind of a lost jam that game was a unique it's it's like the concept of it is like higher than I think the DS is capable of pulling off

at the time you know like it's something that yeah like you to manually be like a dictionary is how you play the game actually you know or for there to be things where it's like oh this is a word and I know it is but the game doesn't recognize it is a bad feeling as well so

yeah but as an idea I'm like I think that's really cool, but it's just like, I don't know if the resources were there at the time to actually live up to the idea. The rigging in Mugenics is very similar to Scribble Nuts, a rigging. Right. The puppet kind of vector, yeah, animation. Yeah, in order to make humanoids that can look a billion different ways easily, you have to have that kind of ragdoll set up wherever. They're all pieces that can be reconfigured. Yeah.

I'm always really impressed with Super Robot Wars is like the, they also do that. It's like a, you know, the Japanese tactical RPG franchise where they get a bunch of different anime mecca. And they do that every limb, every piece of the robot is like a different, you know, individual asset. And they find ways to kind of go from that sort of animation into traditional sprite animation and back very seamlessly. Yeah, it's always something really cool when, when, you know, you see that style get like, a really, like, detailed new, you know, evolution of it. I think, what was it? Vanillaware as well has, like, a really cool use of that sort of style with, like,

certain things, like limbs being kind of independent from each other. And it blends really well together. It doesn't always look like it is that, but they do it too, you know? Yeah. All right. Well, not much else to it then. Um, I did want to, I didn't talk about it earlier with me, Genics, but I did want to ask as well, like you, I saw that magic, Magic the Gathering played an influence and part of it too as well. Um, oh yeah. You big on, it's, it's, I've been, I played magic since it started. I mean, since revised. Okay. My, my, my, uh, my story is, I was, I was, I was at the boys club with, um, a friend of mine on this summer of like 93 or 94. I can't remember which, which it was. And he's like, this, just, just new. game came out. It's called Magic the Gathering, and I was watching people play it. This guy

played a Keldon warlord, and he was like, yeah, when he comes into play, his power and toughness are equal to the number of creatures you have. And I was just like, this is the greatest thing ever. And I was like, let's go get starters. And we went and they were just unboxing the revised starters. And those starters were, I think, 799 maybe. And they had a bunch of like alpha, beta, legends, like all the original stuff, which was about the same price a little bit more because it was older. And I was like, I'll just get a starter. Like, there's more cards in this revised starter.

So I passed on all these hyper-valuble cards and just got the least valuable things. And then, like, dual lands, which are like the only thing that are good in the revised edition, they're worth hundreds of dollars now. They were worth like $2.50, and you could trade them for a pack of cards.

Okay. And I did that. That's where I started. I've been playing for forever, though. Did... You decided for Jaws in the office to come to Magic the Gathering? I'm excited for Jaws, the card, the one card.

I play a format called Cube, a specifically powered cube, which is a customized format where you build a set with access to all the strongest cards ever printed, and then you draft that set, so it's random every single time. It's really, really, really fun. And they put it on MTGO, which is not Arena, but Magic the Gathering online. It's just like sub-magic online thing. I highly recommend it if you play magic. But Jaws, the uniquely designed Jaws is considered a cubable card.

It's strong enough to go into cubes. And I know some people are against universes beyond, but I think it's goofy and it works in the cube. So it's going in. Are you, do you find yourself more of a Timmy, Johnny, or Spike? I can never remember what those are. Timmy just wants the big, the big cool splashy fud thing. Johnny wants to lab and be a mad scientist.

And Spike just wants to optimize and win the meta by any means necessary. You know, you're in it for the experimentation to win no matter what or just to have fun, even if it doesn't win. I guess I'm more in it for the experimentation. I tend to lean towards drafting interesting archetypes and trying to do cool things. um as opposed to always trying to win um which uh but yeah the overlap literally is there with meogenics because that you we find that there are like similar art people that were like like my my uh my nephew is all about the chaos the memes like he's a meme kid um he will cringe if he hears me say that about but but he's he's in it for the lulls um and uh he will

find something about the game and break it and then be like okay well i'm going to collect all the shotguns that i can find and i'm going to like go infinite with these shotguns then i'm going to go and kill whatever the final boss with uh all my cats equipped fully with shotguns just because it's funny right right it works too it's pretty strong but uh the fact that he went there and like farmed these shotguns and kept them until the final boss is just very funny and we've got other people like the guy I used to work with Florian I guess I still kind of work with him I made Isaac with him originally and he's been testing the game and he was one of the people that kind of discovered we put a lot of things in the game just because it's interesting you want

these things to happen so like when you when you roll the day there it does a sim and the cats that like each other will start mating and then maybe they're successful the cats that don't like each other. If a cat tries to mate with another cat doesn't want that or the cat's gay or whatever else, the cat will push the other cat away and reject the cat, the cat will feel bad, et cetera, et cetera. But there's also a chance that cats that don't like each other or aggressive cats will fight other cats. And then that rolls a whole sim of like, well, who won the fight? If so, how badly did the other one get beaten? And it can result in death. So you could have these aggressive cats or cats that you have to keep separated because they keep fighting. And it's

going to end in death, but we wanted there to be kind of like a uniqueness to this and having an aggressive cat beat another cat in a fight. They're rewarded with a small stat bonus. And Florian was like, well, why wouldn't I just make a room full of poop and dead cats that make all the cats angry? And I'll just keep putting them in there and taking the cats that are winning the fights on adventures. And I'm like, oh, all right. Right. Right. I mean, I guess if that's what you are wanting to do, then that's what you want to do. So someone, so I saw someone say just a bit earlier, they're like, oh, if I'm, if my Isaac, if I can see Isaac in my run, I'm restarting right away, right?

Like, and there's like a thought there where you're like, oh, yeah, there's points to this where if you just want to win and you just want to have a super busted build, you're going to look for the right random things to occur right off the battery, you're just going to restart. Do you find that, does that apply here at all? Or is it just a like, whatever you get? roll with it no matter what. No, since it's like a locked in world, like, you can't just keep rerolling it.

Like, you've got to go on an adventure if you want to find stuff. Okay. And you can then, like I said, you can pull out like mid run and be like, well, I don't want to fuck with, I got a bunch of shotguns, right? I want to, I don't, like, I might not survive. Let's turn around and head home just so I can cash in my shotguns. You can, you can play like that if you want. Like, people always ask about difficulty and whatever else.

And the game allows you to play how you. to play how you want to play. If you feel like you're losing runs, you can pull out of runs. Okay. But usually the risk reward gets the best of people and they want to go for it. Even when they know their cats are just destroyed,

they're barely hanging on, they're limping their way through. They have a bunch of disorders. They're like, well, I'm only a, you know, one chapter away from finishing it, getting some check marks, unlocking some content. I'm going to go for it and then they die

and they lose all the stuff that they went for. All the stuff that's with them, all their cats, they're all dead permanently no coming back so there is a game over state at which you must like or is there always going to be some new cat never a game over there's always a new cat because your house your house is always there okay yeah so the the parents of the cats you brought out are still there in the house right okay okay all all the mpcs over time and they unlock a bunch of extra content you upgrade your house you add levels to it at an attic you know expand your house out you

expand your storage um you make friends with all these different people and they give you different abilities basically and uh that stays there the items never go anywhere like those are always there whatever cats remain in the house remain in the house and um even if you your cat started starving and killing each other and they all died the next day four cats come to mourn the loss of your cats right right right right and it and it keeps going to It's, it's, um, yeah, the permanence is there, but it's not as harsh as you might assume. Okay. Okay.

Um, so, yeah, just before we take a couple letters and get out of here, um, I, uh, so, Pat, I, I was just curious, do you, do you have thoughts about, um, Mechazangeef? Did you see that? Mecca Zangeeve not only looks incredible, but he, um, also in going along with the fact that everybody else is getting bathing suit uh looks he looks like he is naked it is the and that the the the tights are painted on the robot version of zankeef looks naked what a brilliant move so okay in street fighters in street fighter six everyone is getting these costumes of like here's your sexy beach outfit whatever you know like here's your

summer wear but zangif the big russian wrestler is already wearing like a superhero. Yeah, he can't get sexier than that. Yeah, so what does he get instead? A giant Mecca Zankeef robot outfit. Who looks more naked?

With sound effects in a special theme song that is like the speed metal pile driver, you know? It's good stuff. Brilliant idea. Good stuff there.

Also, shoutouts to the game Dragon Ball Fighters, which resurrected from the dead to announce they're putting another Goku into it. Another Goku. This is a game that has some 20 or so playable gokues

and the audacity to put one more in there. I love it. I think it's like, yeah, fuck you, we're doing it anyway. Needs more goos. Outlasting two Mortal Kombat games at that, by the way. Yeah, well, I mean, those games last like the weekend that you saw all the fatalities

in them. Yeah, and they got the money and ran. They did their thing. And then also they announced an Avatar, the last Airbender fighting game, which... I'm so glad to see that game get uncanceled. It's nice that it exists, and people's work is not going to nothing. It's a 2D fighting game that looks pretty cool. I respect the fact that sprites are being used and not just kind of going for the cell-shaded 3D model look. And, you know, from the description, there is a movement button that is a part of how things are going to work.

And I like... It makes sense with Avatar. Yeah. It's like you have all these characters that can use their elements to fight each other. You know, air bending should move differently

from water bending should move differently from Earth. And that seems to be a core part of what's going on with it, which is super sick as well. So happy that this obvious kids franchise that should have been a fighting game a million years ago

is getting to be that now and that this work is not getting canceled and getting brought back and salvaged in some way, shape or form. You know? Good stuff. They're making an airband an airbender magic the gathering set next year oh yeah oh that makes sense they're crossing over with

everybody oh yeah I mean fancy thing was crazy lucrative it was crazy money every single one they do even if it's a bomb is not a bomb like it makes like the last one they did was spider man and everyone universally hated it and they still made shit loads of money okay yeah people still are opening up packs to get rare cards you know what I mean like the lesson from this thing that everyone hated is do it more yeah they're gonna do it until it doesn't until it's not alive like it's gonna happen I mean even

yeah because like I don't play Magic the Gathering like at all but like I've like when there's the street fighter cards that you know were a part of and I got like someone gave me like those were the first yeah those were the first

where they're like people were going crazy they were like fuck you we're gonna destroy we're gonna sue magic because they're making these unique cards that aren't magic

and then they're like okay okay what we'll do is in the future we'll reprint those cards as real magic cards and everybody's like Like, yay, and then they're like, oh, by the way, every set in the future is going to be this. And everybody's just like, yay.

Yeah, forget about that whole thing. But I think it's, I think like magic every year, maybe five sets come out. And I think three of the five sets are universes beyond. So they're not going to be magic IPs. I mean, Fortnite has been sitting here pulling in every pop culture franchise for years. And like, it's just, like, obviously Magic the Gathering is something that could. it's what every like like funco pops you know fortnight it's just a thing that

that is happening right now where it's like listen man I saw my I saw my two year old son pick up a dinosaur and a car and he went kiss kiss and like that's all this is that's all it is that innate human nature

they're friends and then they kissed it's like what if I was playing fucking Fortnite and Darth Vader and the K-pop demon hunters were there Oh I'm not I'm not gonna lie like when Isaac got in Fortnite and it was finally announced

and someone showed me a video of them playing as Butthead with Isaac on their back I had this kind of like pretty crazy moment where I was like like it sounds weird but like Beavis and Butthead was one

of the things that made me who I am. And now my character that I made is on this character's back. And it's like, even though it's this whole other world, it's this twisted sub-existence in Fortnite, it's still, like, way crazy. Like, that's crazy. That's nuts. Like, how crazy is that? Yeah.

No, when I saw, you know, I saw people, describing like oh yeah my my nephew says oh it's chun lee from fortnight and you're just like oh no fine that's fine we can live in this world that's okay nope yep yep they they know who she is they know but it's fine yep oh boy all right let's think a couple letters here oh before that i have a single piece of news i would like to add mm-hmm uh square inix has announced a new DeCidia game. Oh! It looks like shit.

Oh. So take that emotion you just had and shove it up your ears. Oh. Is there a word that can describe, is there a new duodecimus? Duelerum. Okay. We have new words. Good, good.

Jewelorim. Okay. It's a 3V3 gacha moba game. Ah, okay, okay. Okay, okay, okay. Where they all hang out in Japan and have contemporary outfits that you will be able to roll on. Okay. I appreciate the naming conventions that sound like Dr. House MD should be telling you about them from a hospital bed, you know?

Yeah. Okay. So I just want to get that out there. Duly noted. Yeah. Du-o-dom noted. Du-o-de-o-decimally noted. Yeah.

All right. All right. Let's take one over here from a user who doesn't matter, brackets, chemo force says, Dear Dad, Dad, R5 RAM cards, dads. Which curse with USB ports are you afflicted with most aggressively? Only goes in on the second attempt, fourth, sixth. only when you can see the port visibly only when you get on your back

or using a specific hand by the way, congrats for fulfilling Punch Dad Status and Pat for Secondary Anniversary of Dad Stairs at Status. Much love. Thank you very much. I can't get a USB-A-type port in unless I'm looking at it. So the classic, like you have to, the three rotations

on a type of USB-A until it works I have finally defeated that by putting when you're not looking putting my finger on the top and feeling where the solid part is yeah you would think

that would fucking work no yeah gotta look at it so that's that's one bit my absolute grievance forever like fuck them to the end of the earth is the USB type Bs with the little extra nubs

that are meant to break after like two uses the tiny micros that have the minis minis rather yeah mini type B that piece of shit that that garbage era needs to fucking die forever. Thank God it's finally behind us. Those are the worst.

I have one piece of equipment in my house that still uses it. Number two. One's my salt shaker. Wow. Okay. And one is the Yeti microphone. My mouse, my computer mice, all use it. It sucks. And it's ridiculous that we're finally, like the USBC existing and being like, it doesn't matter which way you plug it in. It works. It's fine. It's like a breath of fresh air, thank you but also fuck you why did we have this from the jump that's crazy this is it is wild how many bad forms of usb existed page has an old iphone and so she's currently fighting the

nightmare that is every single plug in the house charges with usbc except for her phone lightning for one yeah yeah it's like i think thank i think it was the australian or our british governments that basically forced them to be like stop fucking proprietary ports on your phones now make it USB or you can't release it here and they went fine and now it's universal but the proprietary port bullshit was their bread and butter

for decades you know EU in general yeah EU I'm happy with that I mean that that's a gambit that works man when Sony was like we're going to have our Bluetooth our Blu-ray and there's going to be

HD DVD and we're going to have a format war the winner of the format war just makes bank from 8-track you know DVD CDs HD DVDs Laserdisks all that stuff all those format wars you know To the point where

I just going back to QA and compliance and stuff it'd be like Did you insert your memory card Fuck you this is not a memory card It's a memory stick duo Registered trademark copyright And if you say anything But that get your game

the fuck off of my platform you know, says Sony PSP. Okay. Yeah, that, that would be the one. I don't know.

Do you have port problems, Ed? Just the one, the Yeti microphone one that you mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Yes, that one. Um, also the, the, I still have a gripe over the weemote. The original weemote, Nunchuk plug, you're looking at it like, this is a USB plug and they just added some extra

bumps to the top of it. And they don't want people sticking or side loading things in. So I understand it, but you're looking like, you're like, I know exactly what this is. You just, you just added a little thing, you know, which is not the first time because obviously you take a Famicom cartridge and then you shave off the sides of the plastic on your Nintendo and it works fine. It's just they made the actual cartridge loader physically not fit, you know. Anyway.

All right. We got one from Tito. Hey, gang. Just listen to a random old episode where Pat was describing the Outer Worlds as the game that would be talked about for decades and would replace New Vegas as top of the genre. What other examples?

That seems hyperbolic even for me. What other games post-nut clarity, have you experienced? Mine would be the entirety of the fable series. I think the easy one on this for me is, for us, is mighty number nine. You know, the Mega Man replacement that will

surely live on and be the inheritor of the torch. Did that not, that didn't, I guess I didn't hear anybody talk about about it. No, it's not. No, the, you know, yeah, but Red Ash, though. Red Ash, that's going to be, look forward to that one. I don't know if any comes straight to mind

I can think of a game that I was like super excited for slash I knew it was going to be the hotness and then like footage started to come out of its release and I was like oh I'm going to call Amazon and have them not even bring the copy to my fucking house and a lot of people

had the same reaction it was a shooter from Bethesda called Brink the blue one it was also red it was also red okay um and just like oh my god

the the marketing guys on that did such a good job they did such a good job I was so excited for it and then they finally like reviewers were putting out like un un like unedited footage and it was like oh

this looks like shit dude oh my god how did they how did they gussy this up for the preview so good um i'll also say another one one that affected you and it's something to be very wary of during any preview anything which is like hey man if you go somewhere and the guys running the event are really nice to you and build you up and sit you down in front of primo ass computers in nice chairs and kind of kiss your ass a little bit and then make you play two rounds of their new multiplayer game evolve

Boy, that game seems like it kicks ass And as long as they don't let you play a third or fourth or fifth round And they send you off and they go, thanks, guys, you're great. You know, the doctors that get invited to the conferences for OxyContin Have really nice steak dinners. Those steaks are incredible. The cut is so juicy. It's wild.

And Capcom's like, hey, you know what you guys need to do? You need to come hang out and learn about the new Capcom games in motherfucking Hawaii. Who wants to hang out in Hawaii? I think my favorite one ever. My favorite one ever was when Brian Epberg at GameSpot

back in like 2007 was like for the Forza review period. They flew everybody out to Germany and then they were like play forza. Oh, let's let's drive real cars. Drive cars around on the Nürbergring and then play Forza again

and see how awesome. it is. And I was just, I remember reading it's like, this is the most fucking corrupt ass shit I have ever fucking read. Why not just suck the food critics dick under the table? You know, it's the same thing to be considered for an Oscar as well? Yes. I didn't know until, and neither did the indie game in the movie people. So they got a, they got nominated for a bunch of awards and won some awards and whatever else. And they're like, we're going to try to be considered. We're going to be, we're trying to be considered for an Oscar. and they were like what the first requirement they heard is it has to release in theaters a certain number of theaters and they

sure to achieve that and then it got down to it like okay well where's your dinner where's the dinner that you're hosting for a hundred people for your consideration right yeah yeah it's just like oh these these palms my palm is so dry right now very draw palms it's crazy how dry these pobs are, can you it's like what are you going to do? Oh man. I had one experience when I was young that humbled me

and I was a rabid supporter of Super Nintendo. I still am. Obviously, it's the better console of those two back then. Let's go. When Mortal Kombat came out on Nintendo,

I was so into like I remember counting down the days it was and this was before the internet right yeah I didn't have a bunch of information about what was going on there and I remember I went to the one place that that you could pre-order it and I remember the day I got it brought it home and then I'm like where's the blood yeah where are the fatalities yeah and I'm just like what and I'm trying to convince myself that this is somehow better I'm trying to do the fighting without all that fluff. Yeah, I still had one.

My one argument was like, Raiden's fatality, was he like fries you and you become like a skull that spins around and falls. And I'm like, there, there's, this is what makes it okay. And then I remember visiting my cousins who had it on Sega,

which had all of the blood. Yeah. And it was like thick, drippy blood. And I'm just like, God, damn it. Why did this have to happen to me? Okay. So you had to have advanced copier tactics, right? So for me, that was a like, okay, but Street Fighter, you have to press select to get your kick buttons on Genesis because the controller doesn't have enough buttons. So fuck you. And that was my grade six, like, shut, you know, like, I'm gonna, I'm not, we're not gonna have this argument thing. But yeah, my, there's so much of like being a Nintendo kid that was ridiculous copium. I followed that through to like, um, and 64 when, uh, I'm like waiting for, I'm like, these,

fighting games are going to be incredible. And by that point, all of the, like, Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat and every other franchise was just properly on PlayStation and just moved on. And I'm like, no, but it's always been Nintendo. It's going to be the thing, though. And then it's like, nah, you get Mace the Dark Age. How about that? You get dual heroes and these, you know, and like the cope was wild.

But I'm like, but we got Golden Eye, though, you know? You do. You do got Golden Eye. Oh, man. really good I think after the fact you could game genie and color the sweat red

I remember doing that and going wow this is not that's sad the state of putting in the right code to get a little bit of yeah I wanted it so bad like I wanted it

like Mortal Kombat in the arcade at that age when I was little was like a surreal experience seeing Goro like just just the like the model of Goro and like not ever seeing him even people even get to him but just seeing and all in Mortal Kombat too all the rumors in the arcade before the internet where it was like all this unconfirmed shit that people made up and some of it was true yeah like you you know you could turn him into a baby and then kill the baby and I'm like that's stupid there's no way that could happen and then there was a way to do it and it was just like seeing somebody do it in real life I'm like what is going on and then of course that confirmed everything infinite potential of video games. So they would take, they would take rumors people had and make the rumors real the next time

around. That was their development cycle, you know? Also that arcade machine, by the way, they cranked the volume up way above every other machine standard volume. Makes sense. And like that was a way of winning your attention. So when you heard, like the, the, the Shao Khan, it's shaking your chest as a child, you know.

And all I did was enter my name, Thrill House. you know like yeah um no that shit was ridiculous i uh i also i feel like the censorship on nintendo and and other consoles like shaped so much of the console war generation after because like that that's why conquer's bad fur day came into existence was because everyone was like no there's too many kitty games on nintendo they're not serious and then you all from that to seeing like game the game facts top 10 lists of most serious games Final Fantasy had to switch off of Nintendo to PlayStation because it's a more

serious console. They released that Conquer game for the GBA and it was cutesy and normal. And so people bought Conkers Bad Furday expecting that because that game already existed. So weird. Fucking weird. It took a really long time to get Isaac

on a Nintendo console. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was a lot of a lot of rejection and then it just took kind of people being phased out like in the upper areas to like finally get somebody to say okay it was just it took years it took years and years of constantly repitching and then them coming to me and being like well you change anything and I'm like no like the things that you're having an issue with are the core of the game so poop and dead babies are going to be an issue on a Nintendo console are they the issues were religious stuff.

Oh. Yes. There was actually... Right back to the beginning of the show. There we go. There was controversy. Like, the binding of Isaac when it released in Germany

was one of the first game that got an M rated, an M rating or an adult rating, whatever it is over there, because of blasphemy. And it was such a thing that people talked about that they changed the rating board

over there because of this argument of like, well, what's blasphemous for you is not blasphemous for somebody else? So you can't have this as part of this. Like, and it bled into, you know, Nintendo. Like, Nintendo had a lot of issues with the religious themes in the game. Even Magic the Gathering has issues with religious themes in it. Like, they removed all of the classic fire and brimstone type D&D darkness that was in there originally.

They totally whitewashed it all out, got rid of it completely, and they never touch on it again. They don't go there at all. Like, they had a whole, they had a whole, um, expansion called The Dark which was all about like like a Christian what's the word not revolution

the Crusades Crusades okay yeah it was like it painted this picture of these religious there was literally zealots and stuff like this that you would be playing as and that was way too spicy and they pulled back on that so I have

a theory and I've brought this up before on the show but I have a theory that the reason why there's so much Sonic the Hedgehog and Christian fan art linked together. And when you go on devian art and over the years, the link between Sonic fan art and Christianity is humongous is because I think when you have a restricted household that's not going to allow you to play magic or Diablo, Sonic is the coolest thing that you're safely allowed to experience because he's not he's like bart but safer than bart yeah he's not too rude yeah he's not too rude but he's still cool and he goes really

fast and that's good enough that makes everything hot i can never see it like a parent being like oh i don't like what sonic the hedgehog said that's it that's it you know and i think that and then like oh he's got a shadow a darker version of him and then knuckles is a and And it's like, I think it's just, it's the edgiest you're allowed to get in a Christian household without breaking the rules. That's it. Anyway, all right. Leggy tales. Yes, exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. Last one. From title Ungiven, dear Patpaw and Dreadfather. During your last stream, you mentioned, um, yes, in Ghost of Yote, using the blood from the sword to cross your names off the enemies that wrongs you on a list is really sick.

What are some other instances of revenge and fictions or games that got you? I love in the Book of Grudges in Warhammer, dwarves would write the names of those that have wronged them in sacred books inked in their own blood. Yeah, dwarves carrying around just the big old book of grudges.

It's super fucking huge. That's sick. The first thing that honestly comes to mind for me is the complete opposite is the lack of significance, I'm thinking of John Wick one. John Wick. John Wick won. Yeah, right? Where it's like, you don't get anything special. Bang. It's done. Like, sometimes... Spends 70 minutes of a 90-minute runtime chasing

to kill one guy, and when he catches up to him, he just shoots him once, turns around, and leaves. And that's it. You're not special, you know? I kind of love that. You don't deserve anything higher than that. It's a great way to wrap it. I don't know Any cool Any cool revenge lore Ed?

In real life? No No No No I can't talk about those things All right Yeah

My favorite revenge story is probably Carrie, the movie Carrie Oh shit, okay You've watched that Yeah I haven't You should watch it I haven't

But I know It's about religious trauma Yeah Yeah, it's through osmosis culturally, I know the events that occur, and it's a formative experience for cinema. It is a very good movie, a very good horror film. And, yeah, one of the best revenge stories. I heard there's a remake, too, that just didn't quite land it. Don't do it.

Don't do it. Yeah, okay. Let's just go with the 70s. All right, well, that's all that. Pure version. Guess what? The remake wasn't good. How about that?

Wow. Shocker. uh old boy uh fuck daddy was your mind um i can't it's a spike lee joint old boy is a spike lee joint now i can't i can't perch it all right uh that'll do thank you so much ed appreciate you jumping on um yeah thank you for having me yeah and uh again let's let's let's plug me meogenics coming out uh next year in february

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Because those are the kind of games I like. Yeah, I highly recommend it for people with ADHD and autism. I make games for those people. So if you're one of those people are somewhere in between, this will scratch all of those itches of collecting and obsessively getting information. Man, you really loved Bumbo a lot, huh, Willie? Bumbo was really cool.

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