Castle Super Beast - CSB343: The Olds Gaslit Us Into Early Rise Culture

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm ALEEN SULLIVANI-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. Yo. Hello. Hello. How are you today? All right. So, uh, I guess my question is, is who chooses which clown? Is it your choice of clown?
Starting point is 00:00:48 It's page. Page. Page is the clowns. Okay. Because Paige is doing the clown. So, like, she chooses the clown. Okay. Okay. Because you mentioned
Starting point is 00:01:01 We're looking at The face paint on Pat this week is art Art from Terrifier Could Skate right over into Juggalo territory You know No man But it
Starting point is 00:01:16 You keep set You say that every week Every week I'm like no Juggalo stuff is hyper-specific But the black and white Of it It's not angular It's got a lot of
Starting point is 00:01:26 It's got a lot of, like, rounded edges. Yeah, yeah, juggaloes go more angular. They definitely do. They definitely do. But the high contrast, black and white simplicity of it gets close. It doesn't work. It gets closer until I do a creepy smile. And then it, then it, then it, then it, then it, then it absolutely, like, falls right in.
Starting point is 00:01:47 I mean, you just, I, you stick a bottle of fago in your hand. And I think any clown makeup becomes juggalo makeup, really, you know, like, anyway, that's fine. You, every week, you are exposing your lack of knowledge and care for the dark carnival. I will have you know. Every single week. I know, I know, I know a good bit about Famolay, but I also know that you're a white boy in cloud makeup. What am I supposed to do with that? Like, it is what it is, you know?
Starting point is 00:02:17 Yeah. That being said, once again, the, yeah, no, I, I, I, I, I, come. commendable job to to page for the the the detail uh being put in there i can see some of the um the gap in between the um in between the uh uh what you may call it the chops is is filling in a little bit a little bit it's getting it's getting strategic he was trying to figure out a way to do it around the chops and then she was like fuck it i'm just going to paint right over the chops paint right over fair enough
Starting point is 00:02:59 how's it going it's going it's all right it's that good cold weather so I got this dog in the bag again because now if it's hot weather if I hold him in the bag
Starting point is 00:03:11 like he gets too hot I get sweaty but now that it's cold and I turn the heat off in here I got my little goblin in my bag now yeah it's it's that deceptive like
Starting point is 00:03:24 It's that deceptive weather of, like, we went outside with the kid and, like, overwarm dressed her. And then it was like, oh, it's actually quite nicer than this. And yeah, I did that a million times. Like, oh, I better, better really bundle them up because it's cold. Get home. Sweaty baby. No, no. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Again, the whole, the whole, the whole temperature thing is quite surprising to discover that it's like, actually, they, they chill in the cold a lot easier than they do in the heat. Oh, dude, last night, like, the dude was like, Paige's like, oh, he's cold. So she put like a blanket on him and he would wake up and go, no, no, no blang! And she, that happened like over and over. And it's like, okay, man, no blanket. Jesus. Jesus, okay. Of all the things that create like a discrepancy between the older generations and I feel like us is one of the big ones is older generations baby blanket warm, go.
Starting point is 00:04:23 right? And it feels like everyone dealt with just really cold babies all the time. And that was a huge warning or a huge dangerous thing. But now when you look everything up, everything says, yeah, keep the baby between 20, you know, 20, 21 degrees Celsius is totally fine. And, you know, you can watch them handle, like, colder temperature a lot better than they can handle. Like, the increase towards heat will make them more uncomfortable and they'll start crying out of nowhere way faster, you know? Yeah, because they're regular people. Because the increase towards heat makes me start crying faster than the increase towards cold. Right. So, yeah, that's always something to figure out. It's not just a maybe that got bigger. And so are you. There you go.
Starting point is 00:05:14 That's the name of the segment. We talked about exactly that yesterday on men's birthday stream. there are adults and you look at them congratulations on starting phone streaming uh yes
Starting point is 00:05:31 yes that is I didn't have the guts to do that myself so I think it's really cool that you went ahead and just went for it turns out that's a thing
Starting point is 00:05:39 yeah um on the back end when you when you create a scheduled stream it tells you which service is like oh what it's connected to so when you preload it anyway whatever long story short if you make it on your phone it has to be on your phone if you make it on your desktop then it has to be on your desk like in hindsight
Starting point is 00:06:00 that actually makes perfect sense right uh well the problem is on there's another back end to it where you're looking at scheduled streams and it seem and like when you connect with obes it can show you every upcoming scheduled stream yeah and then you go to click on them and they don't fucking work. And so I just immediately, I immediately gave up on that right away. So it would make, it would make more sense is if you could, what would make more sense is if you could schedule something and then use it, you know? But yeah, there's, there's specifics to this that we're figuring out here. Either way, all good. It is kind of interesting, though, in, I noticed how like pretty much every social media app when you click the live button they want you like to have as little as
Starting point is 00:06:48 possible time to prepare before you go live on your phone they like i have accidentally hit the live button on my ticot when i'm thumbing through it's crazy like it's a single button press from you want to show everyone your balls in the inside of your house and the front of your house like no no snapchat instagram fucking tic talk youtube every one of these things and like anything that added it later. I'm sure Facebook has as now as well. It's like you click the camera button and it immediately pulls the camera
Starting point is 00:07:20 up and you have one more swipe and you're on your hot. Hot mics. I have OBS set up so that when I hit the start streaming button, it goes are you sure you want to start streaming? It's so stupid. It's so stupid and dangerous, but it's like I'm sure there's a metric someone got
Starting point is 00:07:36 somewhere that it's like if we show people and force them to be this close to doing it already, they don't back down and it encourages more content um but yes you just immediately docks your start doxing yourself right away um in fact i think i saw which platform it might have been it might have been like tic talks where it was like if you want to do like a practice thing to just make sure your your camera's okay or to figure out how the screen filter or whatever works you have like 20 seconds and then it goes okay now we're going live is that okay and like it you have to keep
Starting point is 00:08:12 saying, no, keep me offline while I figure out how to use it. That's just great. And there's a countdown timer saying, all right, all right. You've labbed enough. Now, go, go, go. You know, like, hurry up. Get the data out there. Let us get the info.
Starting point is 00:08:25 We're trying to docks you. What are you taking so long for? Fuck off. I hate it. It's awful. Everything's awful. I don't like it either. I didn't have much of a week beyond, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:37 You know, just sat around, did that little chill stream and chatted with everybody. and um you know we all creep further towards our inevitable uh tombstone but uh some of us creep a little further than others you know and uh min's always been way older than us oh okay i thought i thought you were going to tell me you're you're like dead oh yeah this is from i'm from beyond the grave and podcasting oh yeah no min's old min's old yeah but uh you know keeping it sharp game dressed in his you know, sharp sweater and tie and everything, which actually just contributes to the age,
Starting point is 00:09:15 actually. Yeah. But, you know, good times. And, yeah, just jumped on,
Starting point is 00:09:24 did a little bit of local, uh, chained together, which, uh, I had always been curious, you know, um,
Starting point is 00:09:33 and I remember like, yeah, that came up. We talked about it here. And, oh, yeah, that one.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. now the funny thing about that is it's clearly meant for shenanigans online foibles and stream nonsense oh that is that is an actual friend slop it's yeah and like you can there's so little there's nothing there's no content outside of climb the objects and go you know it's it's like bennett foddy had the the the little uh uh snippets of him giving you advice or whatever that you're to deal with and here it's like there's a voice talking and the little devil that appears but it's it's nothing it's absolutely nothing it's just it is fun it um it is just yelling at your friends what sucks is is that it feels like it was i don't know if the origin if the if it's this way online but locally it is it's got a couch split screen and it seems to not really give a fuck about
Starting point is 00:10:33 the fact that it has that feature nor have it optimized in any way shape or form um consistent crashes beating the first level, consistent. Reproduced. That's weird. Reproduced crash like four or five times on stream beating the first level. If you all, if all three cameras are looking up while you climb that first ladder to the, to the next loading zone, the game crashes 100% of the time. That's crazy. Me and Page played it for hours, had no issues.
Starting point is 00:11:07 If you look, if you don't both look up, if you both. if you both look straight ahead and it doesn't have to load the sky then it doesn't crash and I switched to do that well yeah exactly yeah and then I switched over to direct X mode as well to see if that helped and the performance
Starting point is 00:11:24 got better but it's still reproduced the crash as well can I ask you I don't know if this is a rude question but I've been wondering this for a while because you you are a talented QA slash tester slash bugman right
Starting point is 00:11:38 have you ever have you ever considered playing a video game like a normal person would and then it would not fly to pieces yep no my mistake was playing the game that wants you to climb and tilting the camera up so I could see the threats
Starting point is 00:11:57 that were coming how insanely abnormal of me you know and then the other people I admit actually that like it's a longstanding thing that players don't look up so yeah Actually, that is kind of out of the order. It's just like, for a game that's also so simple, because it's just objects loaded in,
Starting point is 00:12:18 and they're the most low, like, asset flippy, Unreal store-ass objects dropped into place. The characters are, like, nothing, nothing about this game is trying very hard. It's super basic. It's got the chain physics going. And I can see that the game needs to be simple because chain physics can get complicated.
Starting point is 00:12:38 And the calculations can be dense, but it also has no collision on like 90% of the objects you walk by, you know, every once in a while it does. And that's really cool. But if you walk between a pole, it doesn't, the chain doesn't pull, you know? And so we're like, oh, so it's keeping itself light on the resources that it would need if you had to like to actually twist the chain around the pole because that is when the calculations get expensive and processing power shoots the way the fuck up. So no. wonder this thing looks like like dog shit you know but um uh it was yeah it's friend slop but like i can still i think you expect too much of the friend's law no no no no no i can create i have a critique that i think i can levy um legitimately which is uh when it comes to like the traversal and stuff like that like it is definitely like okay everybody don't fuck each other up let's work together to solve to to make it through but the kind of puzzles that i would want more of the first one happens um when you get to the pole uh you get outside of the like at the second swimming area in hell and you get to a pole where the solution is you both have
Starting point is 00:13:53 to drop off and skate and like slide down on your chain on even sides and let the physics drag you down and that's the first thing in the game that uses the chain as a solution to a puzzle which i thought was awesome and everything else before that was just platforming with being tethered. And I was kind of like, oh, this game should do more with the chain as the solution or as part of what's going
Starting point is 00:14:18 on, you know? I remember... Well, maybe it does. I don't know. I'd certainly didn't beat it. Yeah. You'd have to go, you'd have to go further to see. But like, I would, I feel as if, um, this is a game that, you know, if it were being made by
Starting point is 00:14:35 um, uh, shit, uh, fat ass. Um, uh, for us? Yeah, I forgot the company name. Oh, the,
Starting point is 00:14:43 the, the, it takes two split fiction gang. Yes. That, I don't remember the name of the company. Okay, well,
Starting point is 00:14:47 there we go. Them, if it were made by them, if it were made, you know, by, I don't know, Nintendo or even like,
Starting point is 00:14:56 um, the, the astrobot folks or so. Hayes light is the gang. Hayes light. Um, you'd be, you'd be seeing a feature where it's like, they introduced this kind of co-op thing.
Starting point is 00:15:06 And then the chain would become a big part of the gameplay of the gameplay. Well, this game costs $5. Yeah. They had puzzles in there that were that did it. I just thought they should do more of that. Like, when you're placing the objects and you're choosing how to solve the puzzles and climb, the fun ones are the ones that, like, use the mechanics of the game. That's all, it's a very simple observation.
Starting point is 00:15:30 There's a bunch that are kind of like precision jumps. I feel like you walked into a gas station and picked up a Snickers bar and you're critiquing it like it's not like a dessert from your local restaurant I mean it's just trash to put in your mouth to go I know but then
Starting point is 00:15:50 we talk about vampire survivors and how sick it is to go through this basic thing and then how it turns out to be awesome and I just vampire survivors is fucking different beast for less money than this one you know
Starting point is 00:16:04 um yeah vampire survivors is Primo Slop Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Is it truly demanding to just go like, hey, that puzzle that used the chain, do more of that. That was great. I think you compared it to a Nintendo game is the moment that I was like, I think he's lost his mind. Okay, well, the point of bringing that up is just to give an example of like, hey, if you have two characters attached with a chain between them, like, I feel like if a different company took a stab at it, you'd see these types of like, oh, we're working together to do a bunch of things and you'd see a more of what I'm talking about. It doesn't have to go as far as being that polished.
Starting point is 00:16:39 It doesn't have to be that intense or in depth or even entertaining, but it should be like a little more about the chain and a little less about like it's a single player thing and then occasionally. I think the use of the word should here is carrying a lot of weight. I don't know what to say. You know, it sure was slop, but I feel like I feel like the slop term, like it has different angles to this. Sometimes slop. Oh, yeah, you can slop a hundred different ways. So sometimes, sometimes the slop is, is derogatory and sometimes it's complimentary, you know.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Dude, sometimes you just want a big old pile of spaghetti spaghetti sauce and just throw a bunch of cheese on it and mash it into a fucking paste. It's like a fucking paste. Like unrecognizable as food and put it in a bucket. Right? But that's, you know, I'm not going to sit here and be like, that was gourmet, the slum, you know what I'm saying? I would say that like vampire survivors and Ballotro are like slop in the Oh that's I you can't in a Belitro into this in a complimentary way no no that's not fair at all I don't know way it's just you're insane it's just it's it's it's to me that's addiction slop it's like
Starting point is 00:17:56 You're your you're complete you are insane you're you're wait what okay we're I don't know I don't know what what what what what what is What is it supposed to mean? What is it supposed to mean? What is it supposed to mean? What is the usage of the term supposed to be? Slop to me? Well, it came from AI Slop. Like that was its original term in this. But Slop to me means quickly made, sometimes poorly made around an idea for cheap. Like literally like somebody in the chat said the term friend gruel earlier, which I think is also kind of perfect. But, like, Bellatro is like an exquisitely designed, like, super detailed, bespoke, like, custom thing. When, when we're talking about, like, slop, like, chain together, like, we're talking store-bought assets, low efforts. Okay. And I think that chain together actually, like, made, like, a pretty interesting thing out of its slop origins. Okay. And I think it's, like, worth its $5.
Starting point is 00:19:00 But, like, like, Vampire Survivors is all custom shit, right? Yeah. for example okay no I'll take that that's probably that's a better definition than what I was thinking I don't know I kind of just looked at it as a vague word for like simple like basic it's just trying to do one thing and it's not really trying to do much else but even if it's doing it in a very like effective way it's kind of like yeah you know what this is it's it's all that little thing we're like oh you you flip the you flip the cards around and then it it triggers that little like, ooh, reflex in you?
Starting point is 00:19:35 I was like, yeah, it's, it's, that's kind of how I was, I was, I was using it in my brain. Like in my mind, slop is like, well, did they cook here or did they just heat it up? Mm-hmm. They just warm it up. Yeah. If the, if the whole point is that it's like, it's low effort, then sure, uh, then I was not using it in that way. Um, I was just using it as a thing for like, I get, like, simple, but what's the, what's the more so the word? like not particularly
Starting point is 00:20:04 elaborate it's just like it's doing one thing it's one very basic thing right the fact that vampire survivors is a bunch of like old looking sprites and has barely any input to it but then it turns out to be this like that's the best part yeah so but that but you know what I mean it's like deceptively simple but you kind of just you buy in on the basis of the idea that it's just like
Starting point is 00:20:24 you don't doing much here it's not asking much of you right so if that's that's kind of I guess that that's what the feeling is is to me I was like It's not asking much of you. You just sit back and go, uh, right? Yeah, man. And, like, the effort of the thing was less about, that was less definitional to, like, um,
Starting point is 00:20:44 the term slop to me as opposed to me sitting there with my gut and a mouse just doing this. That to me was like, yeah, that's a slop kind of feeling. This is the gesture. So you, Slop is on the other side of the screen. Slop is on the other side, a little bit. Yeah. I'm slopping.
Starting point is 00:21:03 You know? Are you slopping? I'm sitting here slopping. You know, that's the feeling I got from it, you know? Okay. So I need to stop us right now. I know some people that like, just fucking ate the term slop so much.
Starting point is 00:21:17 I know. I know because it's the overuse. I fucking love the term slop. It's really great. I think it's so fun to say and also useful. Yeah. So I think if it's, look,
Starting point is 00:21:28 whenever it's something that's like, you're just, your brain is just veging out. and it's and it's just a simple thing I kind of was just like that so so all this to say then um yeah um I think you could do low effort asset flip fucking stuff and slap it together um
Starting point is 00:21:48 but you could slap it together in ways that I guess is a little like a little more interesting do you remember there was like an entire YouTube genre that predates the phrase slop that was other YouTubers that were not us playing all those weird hacked together multiplayer games on GMod that we didn't understand
Starting point is 00:22:09 Oh, where you see a HUD that looks like everything's happening at the same time. That was like an entire like 5 to 10 slop era And then that has been superseded by your phasmodias and your lethal companies and whatnot.
Starting point is 00:22:25 That being said, I think phasmo and lethal company and probably abiotic factor, but I haven't seen as much of it. And that and Valheim and all that shit is like orders of magnitude more interesting and better put together than fucking trouble and terrorist town.
Starting point is 00:22:44 And by using the name itself, I have now painted a big ass bullseye on my clown face as people are now going to flood. Dude, I love trouble in terrorist town. I was five. Right. Um, Oh, there it is!
Starting point is 00:23:01 Yeah, it's kind of like... I see you! It kind of... This kind of reminds me of when you talk about like Friday Night Funkin. Yeah. And it's like, there is a, there's a loyal, religious following
Starting point is 00:23:15 to that game. That's quite simple. It's like, yeah, I was young and it's the first time I ever played a rhythm game. It's my... That's your DDR. I think that there's like a genuine like euphoric joy
Starting point is 00:23:30 in both finding out that that thing you were crazy about sucked because sometimes when you go back to a thing you were obsessed with as a child and you go back to it as like almost a 40 year old man and you're like nope it was great I was right
Starting point is 00:23:51 just as good as it was in the 90s holy shit this album or movie or game or whatever is incredible I had amazing taste I'm currently experiencing that right now as I have I have been revisiting the boondocks
Starting point is 00:24:11 the old show yeah and it's like I was definitely walking I was walking into that going like oh man how's this going to go and I was like oh shit no wait this is really funny like this was formative shit definitely at least a bunch of it that's like, yep, that didn't age well, but it is, it is, uh, uh, mostly still
Starting point is 00:24:33 hilarious, you know, for all the memories. Um, but, uh, all this to say, and yes, we, we, we don't talk about the last season. Um, I don't know anything about it. There was a season four that didn't involve Aaron Magruder and, and that was that. Fuck that. And that was that. Fuck that shit. Yeah. Um, um, but, Uh, uh, uh, um, yeah, and, and, you know, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's all kinds of bits there to where you're just like, um, hey, how homophobic can black culture be like way back, like way back in the day all up to current. Oh yeah. Oh, you. Oh, me. Way back in the day.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Oh, as opposed to today. As opposed to right today. Let's take a little trip down memory lane, shall we? Woo. Yep. All right. Well, I didn't even have to call my uncle on that one. you know like I can just just watch it watch it right in front of your eyes you know so
Starting point is 00:25:31 shit like that you're like yeah that's there that's been there that's not that's not gonna be uh uh that's not gonna feel any different um but nonetheless uh uh yeah going back to some of that and and being validated yeah sure it is nice but all this to say um that uh i think what the word that i saw pop up there which feels like descriptive is streamer bait you know streamer bait is incredibly descriptive yeah stuff that is like this is great for not because of what the game is but because it's you in the corner screaming getting mad at what's happening on screen and yeah and i i would like to to before we even talk about that i think there's a bunch of streamer bait games that are like excellent like they're not my thing
Starting point is 00:26:22 but, like, my Discord pals have had, like, a blast for years playing phasmophobia. Yeah, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think phasmophobia is a really well-done game. That's the one that I always think of, right? Yes. Um, I'm, like, it's also, like, perfectly engineered for you on camera to shit your pants and go, ah, you know, and whatnot. But those are great examples, because phasmophobia is also, like, um, it's, it's very, it's very basic. I don't, I didn't, I didn't do all of it. So, but I feel.
Starting point is 00:26:52 It feels like not the highest effort, like low to mid effort, right? So if I'm comparing it to like kind of like with Chait Together and stuff like that, you're seeing this. I think like Among Us is a really fun concept for a game that's really great for that type of thing. Oh, that's how you pronounce it. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. I think.
Starting point is 00:27:10 I haven't said Among Us in like multiple years. I think one of my favorites was keep talking and no one explodes, you know, just because these are all games that involve really. on things that require you to like leave the game you know we should play peak um peak is the new the new streamer bait friend slop of the of the year but it's uh it's excellent wait the title of the game is the title of the game is peak it's it's a rogue like where you climb a mountain with your friends okay okay it's they literally call it p it is of a very significant higher build quality okay then the chains together you you were describing gotcha I'm throwing my hat in the ring.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Hey, we should play peak. It's that kind of game. Okay. Yeah, so that's, that's, that's, uh, uh, um, where is I even going? I lost my chain of thought. Streamer bait. You're talking about streamer bait.
Starting point is 00:28:06 Streamer bait, yeah, larger over arching category for, for a bunch of this stuff. And, um, uh, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, um, Blah. I was trying to say sorry. My fucking brain is off. I was just trying to talk about the uniqueness of like whatever the thing is in like those games I mentioned where you're disarming the bomb or doing this or that or whatever. Like the faster you identify that and lean into it and do cool things with that, I think the more successful and I think ultimately the better the game. No matter what the budget is, no matter how fucking basic bitch over the weekend, it was.
Starting point is 00:28:52 made at a at a game jam ass quality game it doesn't matter it can be fucking solid you know I feel like the the key is to to implement some kind of push to force people to interact in a really really specific way so like when I think about like lethal company and I think about how like it's got like very discreet goals right but like lethal companies like piece de resistance like its absolute incredible aspect that made it
Starting point is 00:29:28 a clip farm is the way that your proximity voice chat fades away and echoes in the distance is hilarious by itself a million percent
Starting point is 00:29:41 right proxy voice chat is the whole star of that game like the specifics of like the quality and like the distance and the echo and then the cut off
Starting point is 00:29:49 when somebody gets killed like in It's hilarious. And, yeah, and I guess the, um, the stuff. Oh, he also does that. Oh, okay. Oh, does it? Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:30:05 Interesting. Um, but yeah, no, I, I, there's, I kind of had that feeling so while playing this, you know. And then the other feeling I had, which was just watching it crash all the time was just like, yeah. I was like, oh, man, I, I just, I feel so sad that, like, the couch is. an afterthought, you know. I never expected the couch, the co-op couch game or co-op couch mode to be the priority ever again, you know, times have changed and the genres have changed and people are now
Starting point is 00:30:39 growing up playing different things and playing most of the games that they're playing, they're playing with a screen and table and mouse and keyboard right in front of them. So that has just gone, you know, by the way of the past. but you just kind of wanted to be like an offering as opposed to just like the most bare bones afterthought, you know, um, Min was always like the biggest advocate for that. That was always like anytime a couch game, a couch co-op game popped up. He'd be like, yo, check this out. This is, this exists or that exists. And it kind of felt like people had to like fight for their releases and like, you know, if you were still into playing games like that, cool every once in a while,
Starting point is 00:31:15 something would arise and kind of re-spark it a little bit. But it's, it's super, dying and well the loss of couch I think like if you wanted to point to like a single thing I don't think it's even online play I think online play is like a secondary symptom of like the death of couch co-op like the number one
Starting point is 00:31:34 reason I think couch co-op is dead or is almost dead is that people aren't having as large families anymore the number one place for couch co-op is with your siblings I mean is I also think though that people just get used to certain thing, right? So like, if people playing games means, well, this a game is me logging into
Starting point is 00:31:56 my account and I'm staring at a screen where I'm going to go online and then I could jump on Discord and this is what video games are to me, then people over a generation just kind of copy that trend no matter what the genre is. And then now you run into the problem where you're like, hey, we should play a game like 2XCO off the couch and log in together because duos, right? And it's like, no. That is the... Because each person needs an account and then you have to... If I would point at even one thing into XCO that I think needs to change the fastest, it is insane. You cannot play duos from the same seat. But that's what I'm getting at, right? And same thing for just like a lot of these games where it's like, oh, we can
Starting point is 00:32:35 do this, but you know, the split screen thing, it's like, no, you have to log into your own account from your own computer. But also it's hard. The screen is like just legitimately harder. It takes work. And yes. And admittedly, the more sophisticated the game and the more that's going on with it, the worst that's going to perform the harder. going to be on your system. Chained together. Right. Or like a Helldiver style game, you know, or so, where it would be, if that were released
Starting point is 00:32:59 back in a day, like, that'd be, like, granted that it would be a, you know, split-screen type of game. But, yeah, I just, I understand the difficulties. It's like, one, there's the performance, right? Two, there's the account system, you know. And then if you have, like, people going online and sharing an account and multiple people are on the controller, what's allowed and not. allowed and you know you're getting into this whole thing where it's like it's just simpler to do
Starting point is 00:33:25 what we've always done which is one person one game one controller etc um i mean i'll even say that when it comes to testing in qa the moment a game is multiplayer it multiplies the complexity of testing quite a bit it increases the cost it does a whole lot more um if you're playing on console testing multiple controllers connecting and which takes over where and so on and so forth there's a whole lot to it, you know. But I miss it. I think it was cool. And I wish more games were willing to just be like, yeah, fuck it. You just go on with you and a ghost account of you, which is a friend next to you. And just prioritizing the idea that like, sometimes you're going to have people in the same room that can play together online. That'd be fun. You know, Nintendo games having like,
Starting point is 00:34:11 um, um, uh, what was it? It was Mario Kart, right? Where it was like, okay, cool. Yeah, we were to do that like that's great that's great um i feel like they're they're committed to that idea but i want more of this from i guess just random multiplayer releases for things that are not that complex you know you know what i would like this is a feature that i'm i've never heard anyone but me ever to having described using this feature in my entire life i think i'm the only person who has ever brought this up to to me like in my vicinity right um you know what i I thought was fucking awesome
Starting point is 00:34:49 when you played a turn base JRPG but you could play with multiple controllers and set different characters
Starting point is 00:34:55 to different players. I think being able to pick to play two player Final Fantasy six was awesome.
Starting point is 00:35:03 Even it was extremely limited it fucking ruled. I thought that was the coolest thing and then I played it in
Starting point is 00:35:12 Symphonia and I had a really bad experience with multiplayer Symphonia. Tales ruins things again.
Starting point is 00:35:17 Thanks, Tails. I wanted, I really wanted that mode to rule. And it didn't even, it was such an, it wasn't like, okay. So Devil May Cry 3, second controller plug-in, plug-in is like, it's the most afterthought afterthought. Oh, sure is. It probably, it was almost illegal by their guideline standards, but they let it happen, right? I bet you people making the game didn't even know that that was a feature at some point.
Starting point is 00:35:46 I bet you some of the team didn't know that shipped. It's crazy. But Symphonia, the main problem was that, like, they made you able to control another party member, but the camera gave no shits. And the camera would, and if you're a second player, you would just run off camera constantly. And you had to fight your way back on to where the main player was. And it felt almost unplayable. like it's i was like i want this to be good i want to believe but it wasn't fun it sucked and i was really salty about that like metaphor and persona yeah no this that shit's locked
Starting point is 00:36:26 just give the let player two control the fucking other character like fuck it can't hurt why not well it would take more work but like i think it would be cool yeah um or you know and even little little those little afterthought moversus modes you know um i always talked about like having a little a specialty collection of those because Zone of the Enders afterthought versus mode
Starting point is 00:36:50 I appreciate it right unintentional unintentional uh versus modes I mean there was a fisticuffs or two I did like that for fun because Mega Man 7 had a versus mode
Starting point is 00:36:59 for no reason just because Xenegers had a goddamn versus mode for no reason exactly I had like 50 characters like really really no reason we did a we did a fisticuffs
Starting point is 00:37:10 on that too you know like yeah I love that shit I think that's dope as hell and doesn't feel like that happens too often anymore. You know, like, yeah, you know what? This is a single player game we're selling you, but fuck it. You might have a friend that comes over one day.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Go for it. Plug in a second controller, see what happens, you know? That was nice. I did appreciate that. Metroid Prime 2 multiplayer. Yeah, no one asked for it, but there it was. Why did no one ask for it? It had its problems, you know?
Starting point is 00:37:41 but that was one of the luckily it was attached to like the best Metroid Prime game so like who cares if it's bad yeah debatable but that was that was one of our early hangouts was Prime 2 multiplayer
Starting point is 00:37:58 and I feel like that also was an era when like multiplayer was getting forced into things that didn't even need it but that was more like bio shock multiplayer right or last of us multiplayer whereas like that that had its purpose as an anti used games uh thing keep keep finding a reason to to to to pop this in after the story mo's done
Starting point is 00:38:24 way off on a tangent here the last of us multiplayer was like a million times better than it should have been like the last of us multiplayer was just as good as the last of us single player it was absolutely fucking incredible. And then they didn't include it in the remaster because they didn't want it to compete with the Last of Us two multiplayer that they were planning. And then their live service shit fucked up and then they
Starting point is 00:38:53 canceled that. So now there's no fucking way to play fucking Last of Us multiplayer which sucks. It's legit like the most fun thing naughty dog ever fucking made. Yeah, yeah, I never even I never tried it, you know, but. It's fucking great.
Starting point is 00:39:10 And I'm reminded of the Metal Gear multiplayer modes that, like, came and went as these extras, too, that were very disposable with every one of those Metal Gear releases, spent a big chunk of time doing QA on Tomb Raider reboot multiplayer, which I don't know how many of you remembered that that game had a multiplayer mode. I remember that. It did, you know. I mainly remember that because I was like, what the fuck is there is a multiplayer, and you went, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:40 You know, it was a, yeah, this weird era of like, you got to stick one in there, whether it needs it or not, you know? Anyway, anyway, that you can feel how disposable it is when they do exactly what you just described and, like, completely remove it from existence. A Mass Effect 3 multiplayer was, like, accidentally incredible, and then they never included it. Oh, my God, I forgot that one had it, too. Holy shit. Yes.
Starting point is 00:40:07 And a bunch of those. missions in the single player were just multiplayer and I was like what is with these missions? Why are they so weird compared to the rest of the single player game? They're just solo versions of the multiplayer. Oh fuck yeah
Starting point is 00:40:22 because like that multiplayer wasn't perfect but it did it did pay out on the one thing that I think is Mass Effect's biggest weakness was like hey can I play as a fucking Krogan or Turin or Salarian or Asari please can I play as anybody that's not commander
Starting point is 00:40:38 Shepard? Is that possible? Yeah. Anyways. I tell you what I don't miss. I do not miss the Dead Space 2 multiplayer. That thing was a pile of shit. Oh, I guess I'll find out eventually, you know? No, you won't.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Wait, was three the one that had multiplayer, like, story? Yes. Yeah, okay. Okay. The Dead Space Two multiplayer? is dead and gone like it no longer exists
Starting point is 00:41:12 oh like you don't even get to fucking no server it or some shit no that shit's done gone anyway anyway long live the couch you know Assassin's Creed multiplayer
Starting point is 00:41:28 oh god I did I did play some of that so yeah we all got really into it and the game out with brother and the Brotherhood multiplayer was excellent. It was, it was like, I spent more time playing the game, the Brotherhood's multiplayer that is the main game. I 100%ed the main game. Sneaking up on people in multiplayer and getting them in the crowd was sick.
Starting point is 00:41:53 That felt great. And then every single version of that multiplayer they ever made after that was way worse. And then they were like, oh, nobody likes this anymore. And it's like, yeah, because you ruined it. It's way shittier now. Yeah, I don't even. I didn't even know that I did that I tried it beyond that that initial one but I just remember I remember the hiding not it was a hiding seed yeah whatever the the like sneaking up on people in the crowd and and and like using um the blending in to actually fool people it worked it worked out quite well
Starting point is 00:42:27 it succeeded at parts of that that that games fantasy that the main game couldn't do because you were like a special boy yeah um Um, anyway, I, uh, like I said, long live the couch, long live fucking StarCraft 64. No one asked for it, but you did it anyway, you know, unnecessary couch co-op. As a, creates a little, a little warmth in my heart. I, uh, I got to Silk Song Act 3. Oh, oh, hey, I love, I love. I love the feeling you have entering into Silk Song Act 3. I think it's very rare that a game just hits you with the specific emotion of,
Starting point is 00:43:23 I don't know what to call it and I don't want to spoil it, but it's a very big emotion that's very specific and very few games do. hmm um so i guess uh to uh to i die yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a there's a there's a conflicted feeling yes that occurs um the thing i want to talk about i guess go with with act three and i guess what i what i have to relinquish here is We've talked many times about how games are released no longer in a vacuum, being on the internet and being connected to the community. The hive is part of the release. The hive mind is part of our existence now.
Starting point is 00:44:20 And thus it is expected that, like, you can never truly get stuck. You can always just go get answers online, you know? That's right. Unless you're really strong. Unless you're like, unless your heart is ironed. Well, so it's interesting because like at the, there's things in this where I kind of went, all right, look, I just, I don't have the time. I just want it.
Starting point is 00:44:44 What are the secret requirements to figure this thing out, you know? And there's simpler than I would have thought. So I beat act two and was greeted with, um, my, my, my credits, you know, and was like, oh oh this is not straightforward there is more to this there are things i have to discover and do and such and um and once upon a time you know you can like i feel like everyone can go oh back in the day this would have been you would have and then someone would have found something else and then there would have been a whole thing about wait what right back in the day you would have gone to school and be like dude i beat silk song and then someone
Starting point is 00:45:33 some other kid who had the game a week before you would say what did you think about the new fight in the bell beast arena and you went huh sure he goes yeah when you when you get to act three and you went what sure right and then you would have the discussion and bring out notes and and a whole fucking thing and you would feel insane and sometimes that would happen to you decades years later. Sometimes you would just miss it and somebody would mention the inverted castle. Inverting Castle discussion, sure.
Starting point is 00:46:09 And you would be like, what the fuck's the inverted castle? Right. Sometimes there's that. And then sometimes there's like, yeah, there's this type of thing, you know? And I, it's interesting to live in a world where games are made with the hypothetical past release in mind, but also as. a part of a connected online current future, you know?
Starting point is 00:46:34 So you're looking at this and going oh, it's not a straightforward walk into Act 3. You have to go discover how to get to it, how to access it. And you have to be interacting with nearly everything the game has to offer. And you would not
Starting point is 00:46:50 have even known there was an Act 3 if not for there being the internet to put that out there. You could have suspected because there are two and shit doesn't usually follow a two-act structure. Also, there's a bunch of stuff you have on your person that doesn't do anything. Do anything.
Starting point is 00:47:08 You know? Yeah. But, but, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's fine to, you know, that, um, what, what is, like, what is, like, what is no internet. I want to make this, as if it something that you play, you know, on your own in a cabin in the woods offline. And it's fine to make a game that is like, no, no, no, you're going to be talking about this with everybody online, and there will be no secrets because people will discover it together. Because there are games that go, like, I'm going to make it so that the secrets are hard enough that even the collective internet together, working together, can't solve it, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:50 right away. And, you know, so, yeah, in my case, I was, like, looking at it going, oh, okay, huh. And there were definitely a couple parts where I kind of went, okay, so what's the deal here? And I kind of went, what wall did I not slash? What ceiling did I not jump into? Do I have to go crawl through every zone to kind of do that again? I'm like, I don't really want to do that. And sure enough, there were like a couple of walls I didn't slash and a couple of ceilings I didn't jump into that were.
Starting point is 00:48:25 A couple fleas you didn't grab. that were needed for critical progress, you know? And so when I went to go kind of look those up, I was like, yeah, okay, I don't feel bad about just grabbing that information. But what I did see in the process of doing that, and also there are times, too, where, like, I'm progressing and I pick up like three tools back to back. And I'm like, okay, what's the skinny on this? Because you can go experiment with a tool for a while to get the feel of it and whether you're
Starting point is 00:48:54 not, you want to roll with it. but I'm like I feel like I've got a I'm going to be moving forward at a at a faster pace right now I've got to pick one of these and kind of go with it let's see what the discussion is on how this is used and you know the give me some of those numbers you know um and what I kind of discovered was like a number of people that were like I were basically like hey I want to inch forward from where I am in Silk Song but I don't want to know too much can you can people spoiler free stick me in the point me in the right direction you know and uh i i i mean i don't know how much this happened with like elden ring or so but like it felt like a very particular thing in this game where they're like okay i'm holding this object and i kind of have an idea of what it might be for but don't give me the full thing just kind of point me in the right directionish so i can pare down the feeling of do i have to scrape all the way from bone bottom to the fucking citadel and hit every wall or can we just cut some time here you know um yeah and yeah no i i i i did that and i was like okay this is
Starting point is 00:50:02 this is sufficient for me um the the the like last couple things you're like the last couple things you're doing an act too by the way also like involved like getting some tools that are like like i said like you're like this is an incredible tool i don't know how long i'm going to have this for a while actually oh okay it certainly felt like not real not much longer it felt like this is a great yeah you know so I can tell you something
Starting point is 00:50:32 about act three act three is literally exactly as long as you wanted to be um the act three adds uh like like I want to say like 60% of act three's content is like completely optional to the point where it doesn't even count for the completion okay so
Starting point is 00:50:49 I mean it's like Expedition 33 Act three almost right like yeah take your victory lap and do your thing you know not quite that word not quite victory lap but take your lap not quite not quite take your lap yeah
Starting point is 00:51:05 and and it also seems to be up to you you know like as an as an expedition as well and stuff we're just like all right what do you what do you want what do you want out of this you know there's an entire zone that I just didn't have to do and didn't even count for completion in act three
Starting point is 00:51:21 doesn't even have the fucking so thing on the shit. Well, what I'm curious about, because you know, like, the beginning of it seems to be like, hey, you've got to get places the slow way for a second. And then they
Starting point is 00:51:37 immediately give a box. And it's like, no, never mind, you know? No, no. It feels like, some version of the game was like, no, do it the hard way. And then they've like actually had people do it and they're like, this sucks. This is too mean. Well, and so what it has me wondering is like, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:51:52 is it truly just like, if I choose to go right to the dot do I can I end things right now or is it like yeah okay because I'm like it feels like it would be a bit errands to run it feels like it would be a bit much to be like all right whenever you want here you are um which again in expedition's case you can do but it makes sense given how things play out and here it fills a little more like uh I hope there's yeah I hope that you flesh this a little more and I tell you what critically we're talking about Act 3, and I think I know a way to talk about this without a spoiler.
Starting point is 00:52:29 I don't, I, I have not cheered and fist pumped like actually yelled out loud at a game as hard as I did in a long time when I heard that public domain 45 year old dog slash
Starting point is 00:52:45 goat snarl stock sound effect. Yeah, that was pretty good. Like it's, it's, It's this incredible moment with, like, a sound effect I've been hearing for decades. Yeah, that was pretty good. I liked that.
Starting point is 00:53:07 So, yeah, but it is just kind of interesting to reflect on this feeling of, like, truly, there, like, there is no offline cabin in the woods gaming, you know? like that is that is a hypothetical that you don't have to consider and it's okay i guess it's okay i just i i i don't i i'm attached to the idea of the things that i'm that i grew up with so part of me always likes the idea of a game that is self-contained offline and requires no external input you know yeah um so i think but it's just not the reality anymore, I suppose, you know? I think Silk Song did this on purpose, and I think they had a very interesting way of going about it
Starting point is 00:53:55 because I think there's kind of like an impetus for that, but the knowledge that like no secret can ever stay hidden for more than like four or five days. Right. Unless it's implausibly hidden. So instead, what they did is they just made every one of those secrets hard as fuck. Do you want to get the ruin explosion from First Center?
Starting point is 00:54:18 Fucking go do it, pussy. do it yeah yeah yeah you want it yeah okay fine look up where it is and then you have to do it but also like did you hit the wall in the corner of the room in the worst area of the game that you hate being in yes i did you know okay well then you found it you know and and if you didn't then you know um not to mention like mitigation for the worst areas only comes after you no longer have to deal with the worst areas as always as always you know you've suffered through it congrats now you know adam from a various suit um yeah yeah yeah so so it's it's uh i'm kind of gonna just you know go back and and see that there there's also a very clear feeling of like oh
Starting point is 00:55:12 the challenge that is ending, that is ending act to is very cool but fucking tidley winks compared to the real fights that the game has for you. Well, I have I have, I have good
Starting point is 00:55:28 news for you, sir. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, well, it's obvious. It's quite obvious. The four mandatory fights that await you are motherfuckers. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure, you know, that much that much is clear. Like this is a
Starting point is 00:55:46 cinematic battle that you're experiencing for plot purposes and then there's some real shit. But so far so good, very cool. And I do... It has me definitely going like, I've been
Starting point is 00:56:03 kind of passively going through it taking in the lore as it goes. But now I'm kind of like, ah shit, I kind of want to go brush back up on Hollow Night, you know? Nah, just watch Mossbeg videos. Watch. Mossbag.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Is that a channel that summarizes? Yes, sir. It's the Vati of, uh, of Holo Night. Nice. Okay. Yeah. He'll give you way more than, then you're going to pull out. Perfect. Because it seems, no, it's all there for sure. And I'm just kind of like, yeah, fuck. I, it's, it's, it's been too long.
Starting point is 00:56:41 It's too distant to memory. Some of the stuff that I want to remember is not there anymore. You know, someone in the chat brings up a class in Remnant 2, that kind of Diablo-like shooter, kind of Solzzy. It's a class called the Archon. And they describe how they don't know how you're supposed to get the engineer naturally because the engineer class was data mined out of the game. And that data mining revealed an absolutely absurdly obtuse series of stuff. steps to unlock engineer that you could never, ever, ever figure out on your own because they had no internal logic.
Starting point is 00:57:22 And the answer to how were you supposed to find that naturally? The answer is it was supposed to be data mined out of the game because it's the, the Arcon class. Oh, my God. Okay. Intentionally. So, yeah, gaster shit. Yes.
Starting point is 00:57:40 Yeah. I made this because. data miners exist so now this too is part of the game yes yeah sure man you know because the arc on can go in between
Starting point is 00:57:54 the bounds of reality so in order to get it you need to do it yeah or look at a YouTube video that shows you dokey dokey literature club you know here here we are it's it man I should go back to Remnant too that game is awesome that game's great
Starting point is 00:58:10 that is great that is the premier Diablo slop shooter. Let me tell you. Yeah, I think I think that's, that is, I think that's cool, but it's kind of like,
Starting point is 00:58:25 you know that not every, not every game is going to play with those rules, right? So like, if you're playing a board game and the board game is like, by the way, like there's a card hidden inside the box, rip it open and get it, you know,
Starting point is 00:58:35 or part of this game is like, actually, if you cheat and steal and nobody notices, then that's legal. That's okay. that's every board game yeah sure right yeah every game has those that's monopoly in every game um no there's there's something there's something uh about that where it's like if from the outset you kind of know where the boundaries are and and if you tell me that like the boundaries are
Starting point is 00:59:01 your fucking desktop and and the folders on it then i go okay cool got it i will take that into consideration going forward and you know and then other times it's like not called for but um then you watch as the game gets ported and then you have to figure out what a console is going to do with a game that wants you to data mine something or go digging through its files um i don't know if you saw uh like so dokey dokey literature club uh i don't know if you've you've uh seen anything about Do you know anything about that or? I do. That seems like a game that was ruined by its own popularity.
Starting point is 00:59:41 It's still pretty good. It's still pretty cool. I'm well aware. However, I bet I would have, I would have played it and enjoyed it a lot more and be more interested in it. Had I been the target audience of its face. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:59:56 Rather than being the target audience of its turn. It's turn. Okay. I see what you mean. Um, I think it pretty much lands the same way that like, uh, Slay the princess, you know, uh, uh, kind of does in, in that like, uh, knowing, having people
Starting point is 01:00:14 tell you about the turn doesn't detract from, you know, the fun of how it's executed. I, I will say that, um, I unfortunately heard about frog fractions, um, in its, in more or less entirety before I got to it. Um, which then led to a sequence of events of just like grabbing people and being like, you got to play fucking frog fractions. which which hit the peak where I was like paid you guys from frog fractions she's like but I hate math I'm like don't worry about it although wasn't giant bomb basically the ones that yes it was giant bomb pushed frog fractions to become their their podcast religiously at the time so I knew all about it I think most I think that's where a lot of
Starting point is 01:00:53 people kind of caught caught on to that but when they ported dokey dokey literature club to switch it was like the game had to be within a desktop browser inside the game and it was like it's an elegant solution but it's unfortunate like there's no other way you could do this and not break fucking guidelines but it just does detract nonetheless it's an elegant solution that detracts from
Starting point is 01:01:26 what the game is and unfortunately I can see the same problem with inscription I don't know how that is going to look ported per se but you don't get the freedom to play outside the boundaries on any other on console releases of things, you know? Yeah. Anywho, this week, yeah, just the chill stream this Monday, got some other stuff going on. So, yeah, I will.
Starting point is 01:02:00 What is your new schedule? Well, my new schedule. Oh, sick. My audacity just crashed. Ah, fuck. All right. Start it back up. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Let me export this. Because there is some. All right. That sucks. Should we be our date? Yeah. No, I got this. 21 October.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Yeah. This part will be shit and lost. Okay. Boop. I don't know why that happened. Oh, that sucks. Sorry, dude. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:02:33 We can. Make two. Let's just not say anything funny or interesting in the stopped time. Okay. Do you want to sync it up? Yeah, we can do that too. As long as we don't make anyone miss anything that might be funny or interesting. Waka, Waka.
Starting point is 01:02:50 All right. Five, four, three, two, one, sink. Yay. Hawk. Hey, we're back. I'm a clown. The schedule is basically a combination of feeling it out according to baby needs, which are... Is that vibes?
Starting point is 01:03:19 Is that what you're describing? Yes, yes. Baby needs are vibes that shift every day. And depending on how much I'm needed or not needed, I will add and take away from the schedule. as we feel it out. The goal is to eventually, you know, um, resume. But things are changing from day to day. So, um, and, and on top of that, too, like I'm still, uh, you know, setting up and recording other stuff. So, um, for this week, uh, yeah, it's just going to be that Monday I mentioned. And then today, uh, and then I'll let you guys know what the plan is for next week as well. Um, but, uh, Willie Versus on my
Starting point is 01:04:03 socials to see the schedule dokey what up all right so I have beaten every ending in Silent Hill F I have wrung every single piece of
Starting point is 01:04:20 information content gameplay narrative that you can get out of Silent Hill F at a combined total of 40.5 hours have you let it digest yes that was earlier last week okay um that game is absolutely incredible it is easily the best game in like 20 years for that franchise mm-hmm um my current ranking is
Starting point is 01:04:53 two one f three two one f three wow Wow, that's really good. Okay. Yeah, it's, it's, and then four. And then every fucking thing they made after that. Two remake and two are sitting in the same place? No, two remake is, is excellent, but it's also like a, it's also kind of,
Starting point is 01:05:22 two remake doesn't need to exist in a world that the second game would be readily available. Like, if you could just get. Silent Hill 2 classic like on your PC normal style to remake wouldn't need to exist at all as it is it's very good it's absolutely great
Starting point is 01:05:44 but it just it feels like interesting kind of unnecessary I didn't hear this negative turn on it the last I heard was all positives when we were speaking about it oh absolutely part of that was like shock that it was good right and that it was like well put together
Starting point is 01:06:00 yeah it was it was praises before so yeah um but it also does still run like shit and that will never be fixed um and um it is a little too long but that's not a big problem uh f has that problem as well um uh but yeah f absolutely fits um excellently in good company right it is a it is a great silent hell game and i guess it also gets extra points for being a new story as opposed to remake, reboot, report, etc. It is not near, so, okay. So, one of the big complaints about Silent Hill F
Starting point is 01:06:44 is that it has nothing to do with Silent Hill. It takes place in Japan in the 1960s, which predates all the events of Silent Hill. That is from people that need the main character of every game to be the same. and have the same weapons and be in the same location and don't know what themes are and don't know what motifs are, et cetera.
Starting point is 01:07:07 Sihil F is like not nearly as much of a new story as it appears. It very, very, very, very solidly fits in with the type of narrative that one, two, and three are. Okay. Um, and, um,
Starting point is 01:07:28 like, I'll just, get some, I'll get some, like, complaints out of the way first. I like the combat and I got good at the combat. The combat is not great. It is a survival horror game that does not have great combat. It has, like, interesting combat. And if you get really good at it, it can be a lot of fun.
Starting point is 01:07:50 When I did my first session playing through the game, a lot of enemies have like a, like an attack where they'll kind of VHS out. and you if you hit heart attack you'll counter them and you'll knock their ass over and then they're basically done for and I was going through it and I was like I bet whether or not you like this combat is basically dependent on whether or not
Starting point is 01:08:12 you can react to this every single time so you and I I can parry something convincingly and convincingly like consistently like 16 frames and like maybe I can get something consistently in like 10 frames if I start to really, really practice at it, right?
Starting point is 01:08:32 The peri window here, it feels like it's 28 to 30 something frames. Like half a second. Yeah. The M.E's ruined Metroid dread for some people. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's slow enough that like the average person should be able to get them some of the time. Some people won't be able to get them any of the time.
Starting point is 01:08:51 And some people like me can get them every single time. And I'm sure you would be able to get them every single time. and that like dramatically changes the scope of the game's combat focus it has three combat levels one is story one is hard and one is lost in the fog i am absolutely convinced that everyone who complained about this game's combat like every single person that complained about it should have been playing it on story where the game takes it a lot easier on you but didn't want to play the baby ass story difficulty for children so they put it on hard, which is hard. Like, it's pretty hard. So combat sucks is a very load-bearing term. Yes. Is it, and I've also heard about how really strong your protagonist is and how she's shadow steps and counters and all that shit.
Starting point is 01:09:43 So I'm kind of thinking then that it's, it's, the problem with it is that it's tedious. It is, so it is tedious. There are not enough enemy types. There are two standard enemies. that are fairly similar there is a medium enemy there is an utility enemy and there is a a large annoying like spawner and and like a big brute and like that's it that's that's it like it's it's like five or six total for like the whole game outside of bosses uh you end up getting really really really really good at fighting them if you're good at the countering because their tails are always going to be
Starting point is 01:10:22 the same right and you perfect dodging them generates your stamina so if you're perfect dodging them then basically you you learn to just tear them the fuck apart um and that goes right into um the game's structure so first time through you will always get ending let's call it ending one right ending one is mandatory you cannot avoid it it is the the definitive ending to your first play through upon playing it a second time you are you have unlocked the ability to do a couple things the are there which will get you ending two or three or UFO and then upon completing two or three and going into new game plus plus you have the ability to do extra conditions to unlock ending four
Starting point is 01:11:10 which is the final ending or you would call it the true ending um the reason why you have to do these in this order is because they follow from each other naturally story elements that are present in one are required to understand story elements that are present in two and three and story elements that are present in two and three are required to understand what's going on in ending four like it is absolutely a definitive clean line of understanding what ends up happening is that you hit the 70% mark of the game and there is a a large encounter that takes place inside uh hinoko's house he no there's like the fields and the school and then your house the house and everything after that changes depending what route you are on cut scenes puzzles etc and then they all lead up to their own finale confrontation in a in a genuine way the big finale ending four changes that section of the game by far the most but is also trading on the expectation of knowledge of everything that you could have possibly gotten including note and dialogue that you can only get
Starting point is 01:12:26 in multiple playthroughs. Like you'll get like Rinko's Diary and then in New Game Plus you'll get Rinko's Diary pages 3, 4, 5, 6. And then in New Game Plus Plus you get Rinko's Diary pages 7, 8, 9, 10. Okay. And it's just the full documentation
Starting point is 01:12:40 is only available after multiple playthroughs. A lot of people are saying like a visual novel. I don't think U.R.I. would be able to speak. Oh, yes. Very much like a visual novel because it's written by Ryu Kishi 07, who's the guy who did Heragashi and Uman Echo. Great.
Starting point is 01:12:54 both games that require multiple playthroughs. So this is familiar to you if you play visual novels, yeah. It is definitely his thing. It's like the closest thing that I could compare it to that somebody might understand and know would be like 999. Yeah. Well, I was bringing up Uchikoshi every time as a frame of reference because that's what I, that whenever a game is like you beat it multiple times to canonically push the story further
Starting point is 01:13:18 that I go straight to Uchikoshi stuff. It's not quite the format because the 999 stuff. the Uchikoshi thing has like much wilder tangents um but uh on your new game plus runs you get the ability to get so there's one of the things that is not very talked about in the gameplay is that you can get charms that are like accessories for Hineko and some of them are really simple they're like more health or more sanity or um when you pick up health items you'll heal a little bit when you pick them up right these little modifiers right? As you start
Starting point is 01:13:56 going through new game plus runs and start getting more and more and more and more of them you start to change the way the game functions on like a basic level so you start getting ones like when you do counter hits you heal when or
Starting point is 01:14:12 counters are automatically performed by Hinako when she sees the counter flash but it takes sanity which like dramatically changes the way the game works or any weapon the one that carried me through multiple
Starting point is 01:14:28 runs was any weapon you have equipped will heal other weapons when it kills an enemy so I combine that with like weapons at maximum durability do twice as much damage and I just swapped through weapon every time that I and like
Starting point is 01:14:43 so the gameplay starts to change and become streamlined and become way more actioning. Yeah well that last one you're describing if you're if you're just managing your sanity you're neutralizing all threats basically yeah basically um and the the charm the charm like load out that i had at the end of the game and ending four or turned the henico into a freak turn them into a dark souls character a level of of like um of complexity and the thing that it's it's like i there are a lot of people
Starting point is 01:15:17 that were commenting on it there are a lot of people that i've spoken to online and there i went and read a bunch of reviews, including Jeans. Gene went way above and beyond and did absolutely everything and then was in a bunch of my streams and watching my LP. And he had a therapist also beat the game
Starting point is 01:15:33 multiple times to talk about for his review. You should definitely check it out. And the general gist of what I am seeing in terms of engaging with this game is that people who are not in love with the combat beat the game the first time. And they go, I really don't want to play it
Starting point is 01:15:51 four more times. and look up the ending sequences on YouTube and go, oh, cool. And that is an extremely large simplification of what that game is going for because every cutscene from like the 70% mark changes. Item placements, enemy placements, and like puzzle solutions change to thematically fit the ending you're going for. I also went and took a look at ending compilation stuff on YouTube and discovered that almost all of them are just the final boss and final cutscene.
Starting point is 01:16:31 Like they don't actually include any of the... So you are missing out on the guts. And I'm taking it that like the changes in subtlety and tone are very important for the themes being discussed. So let's take the very first scene in the game where you hang out with your friends. friends in front of a candy store. Hinoko hangs out with three of her friends and then the sign of hill shit starts, right? On New Game, I'm like, oh, Craig, oh, I wonder what's going on.
Starting point is 01:17:01 On New Game Plus, I'm like, I think I know what's going on. On New Game Plus Plus, I definitely know what's going on, but I also understand how what I didn't see and didn't realize what was going on last time is affecting other parts of the game that I didn't put together and so on. so forth because even scenes that are like some scenes change on on different runs like certain dialogues will be different or certain camera angles will be different or some events will just play out completely differently but actually just seeing it again with knowledge that you got from before recontextualizes it multiple times over okay and um there is the stopping
Starting point is 01:17:48 point that is like the reason why people are not crazy about the combat i would like to stop here uh at the 60s after the house sequence there is a like like an hour of combat there's like a straight up hour of like arena combat that sucks that uh is super long and super hard and lasts forever and is really boring and sucks yeah you were talking about this yeah that thing filters you write the fuck out and it seems to be a deliberate choice because of that vibe so the first time I was like man this sucks this is really hard and then the second and third times was like I just I really don't want to fucking do this this is so boring
Starting point is 01:18:29 I know how to do this and by the fourth time I was like this shit can't even slow me down like I am flying through these fucks no problem I've got it down to like 15 minutes from an hour and that is how you are supposed to feel because that is how Hina Coe is starting to feel
Starting point is 01:18:54 in each particular run. Like it is very thematically appropriate. Is there any other Silent Hill game that does anything like this? No. Like I would say that a full playthrough of Silent Hill F is 40 hours. That's fucking huge compared to the others
Starting point is 01:19:12 because Silent Hill 1 or 2 or 3 it's like you get to the end and you're like oh what did your action shape and what ending did you get and then you go on your way okay um so i have a question that is a swerve i suppose i don't know if you had other points that were like yeah go for it so um ultimately like silent hill is one before i played them silent hill was the series i remember being the most uh linked to the discussion about you're not supposed to really be good at fighting that's not what these games are about it's about the narrative the story it's about the character and how he feels and the horror of it and it's about you being um overwhelmed by the threats
Starting point is 01:19:59 and not necessarily being able to fight them off whereas in other video games you could yeah they said that in the interviews leading up to silent hill one and then silent hill one came out and they gave you the fucking pickax and the shotgun and you're like blowing these motherfuckers away But also it turns out that you're a game, hey, guess what? You're a gamer in a video game and you have things that are able to fight enemies. So you're going to use them and figure out what the limitations are and exploit those, right?
Starting point is 01:20:25 That's no matter what it is, no matter how bad your controls are, you're going to find a way to defensively fight back unless it completely takes away your defensive options, right? Right. It says run only or shattered memories, right? Where it's like, no, no, no. The mechanic here is hide in a locker, right? Yeah. Uh, so when a game series goes through this type of identity shift, where it still gives you the other parts of what it was like, you know, mainly about, but it also goes, hey, Final Fantasy fans, there's fucking S rank combo, there's S rank now, right? You can do stylish combat. Um, and it's not done. poorly, it's something that you enjoy, but it's not part of the identity of the franchise.
Starting point is 01:21:19 How do you feel about like what Silent Hill ought to be versus kind of like this combat getting introduced and being something that the protagonist is capable of swagging and going crazy on? And do you feel that that detracts, even if it's fun or not? So the, I think, I think every discussion that we need to have about, survival horror combat over the ages has to also be approached with the knowledge that the people making those first couple of games were almost never good at making good combat and that the I'm putting it and I'm making the character play bad on purpose was insane cope and we know that that's insane cope
Starting point is 01:22:03 because when RE4 came out they're like hey no we figured out how to make the greatest action game of all time so fuck it that's what I thought like that's what I I was, tank controls were introduced to me as no, it's supposed to be hard to avoid a zombie. No, tank controls being weird is an excuse so that you can have the highest quality graphics that you've ever seen in your entire life on a PlayStation 1
Starting point is 01:22:24 and we're willing to build the entire game around those control limitations because we want the backgrounds to look really, really, really fucking nice. Yeah, I mean, you can play alone in the dark and fucking that other game with the boy and girl in Paris were like that. Although, FF7 had you running around on pre-rendered backgrounds without
Starting point is 01:22:40 tank controls, right? so well in ff 7 you don't have like you don't have like what I would discover like I describe as violent camera shifts like if you had 2D controls like you have this happened and like the games that support them now it's like the fucking character's position will like invert oh oh yeah like sometimes they had to work a long time to figure out like how how much magnetization on your fucking controls do you need to not die instantly when this happened. Devil may cry for walking down a hallway and then Nero 180s
Starting point is 01:23:14 as the camera cuts to run back the other way because you're holding one direction. That's actually a difficult thing. So for F, so Silent Hill F, the F stands for women. I think I've said this every time it has come up. Yes. It is
Starting point is 01:23:32 F for women. It's also F for Fox. It's F for 5. It's F for a lot of it. It's Forte. It's a lot It's F for a lot of stuff actually but Hinako starting off
Starting point is 01:23:51 as like a capable young woman and turning it into an absolute freak beast monster demolisher is absolutely part of the game's thematic approach. Her personal empowerment
Starting point is 01:24:08 and your a personal empowerment as the player is absolutely vital because when it builds up to the final encounter, it says you are empowered, you can do this, and then you totally can and you fucking crush it with the pipe beast, Hinoch, you have built. Okay. So in this context, the game wants you to be a beast in combat and destroy your, your trauma. And it gives you the tools to do so. And therefore it's appropriate because it's narratively appropriate.
Starting point is 01:24:44 Hinako is so strong is something I said the very first time I fought an enemy. And every time I got to the end of the game, I said it again. And I said it for like more intense and more varied reasons. Heena co is so strong. And I say that about the combat. But then that also reflects inside the. basically this game is like ludo narrative harmony to the nth degree like sook song actually also has a really good ludo narrative harmony when you get to the fucking bench in the fucking citadel and it's like you got to pay to sit here yeah yeah yeah that's great that's great yeah i love that like f's repeated journey through the same shit and getting more and more frustrated with it until it doesn't bother you anymore is supposed to represent
Starting point is 01:25:39 represent a lot of Hino-Co's internal life and internal struggle. I was explaining this to Page, who has not seen the game at all, and she's like, yeah, that sounds about right. I'm like, what do you mean? And she's like, for women. Right. Okay. And so to that end, you're down with a game and its identity or like its relationship
Starting point is 01:26:04 with combat changing as that becomes plot appropriate. Absolutely. I think the number one responsibility of any series is to be good and that the trappings of that series are like nice, but they're not like vitally important. Like I was so wrong about Resident Evil 4. Like, I think this predates me being on the internet. Yeah, it does because it would be 2004, right? I was like, Resident Evil 4's biggest hater in the universe. I was like, they took my favorite franchise and they fucked. ruined it and they made it this
Starting point is 01:26:41 fuck they made it this deep horror experience and they fucking shit it up into a fucking game for normies shoot the guy uh and then I played it and I'm like I've never been more wrong about how something was going to turn out
Starting point is 01:26:56 holy shit R4 is incredible I replayed it before the remake and was like yeah still the best crazy now does this feel different when
Starting point is 01:27:11 for no given reason a character is just incredible at combat but it doesn't fit in necessarily right? I think James is way too good at combat in Sinaihill 2 remake. Okay. That being said, I got to the end of that game. You ever do an LP and you realize that like your personal experience with the game is like so far
Starting point is 01:27:35 outside the norm that it makes you like a weirdo? But I was going to get a little close to this with FF16 because when I brought it up just now, I saw a number of right off the bat people going, what a piece. Combat sucked. Hated that. It was bad, et cetera. And I'm like, you know the funny part is? I'm like, I'm remembering that combat fondly in the sense that the fact that it was character actiony at all made me care more about this Final Fantasy game than the average one where I don't get to do paris. launchers, air combos, et cetera, and so on, even in the fact that it's like it's not perfect combat and you kind of delete every enemy once you learn how to do the cycle, the rotation, you know,
Starting point is 01:28:19 but some of those DLC, the iconoclasm fight and some of the, that DLC stuff at its peak, I was kind of like, yeah, I'm thinking more about this game when I'm playing it and wanting to come back to it than I am other games that don't ask me for the things from the genre that I enjoy personally. But I know
Starting point is 01:28:35 that's super woolly coded. So my take on Seahill 2 is very similar. It's like kind of the opposite, but it's like, I got to the end of Seahill 2. I'm like, man, James is like really way too strong. And like the melee combat is like way too effective. And then I was informed that I was like the only person people were watching that was like finishing the game with like literally hundreds of handgun rounds. And an inventory that is completely full of health items because other people they had watched had struggled and finished the game with like actually nothing. but I just used the pipe and the dodge move
Starting point is 01:29:09 like the whole game on any normal enemy and just trounce that shit and was like okay my opinion that James is too strong might be related to the fact that I got really good at that dodge like a lot of games between you and me if the character has a powerful dodge
Starting point is 01:29:27 that activates within like 40 frames you're untouchable that whole difficulty scales fucked up eye frames hmm Hmm. Hmm. Okay. Um, yeah, okay. Because I, I'm sure there are other franchises where this applies, and I'm going to FF, because that's what's recent in my brain. But it's always been Silent Hill as the leader of the discussion of like, no, no, you're supposed to suck. It's supposed to be scary and hard. You're not supposed to be able to fight against your trauma in this way. Right away, because in Silent Hill, one is the scariest of all of them by far. silent health one is the scariest silent hell game by like an order of magnitude it's way scarier than all the other ones hmm okay like that sewer area with the mole monsters and it's
Starting point is 01:30:19 like just pitch black and they don't give you a map oh that's spooky yeah it's also um well you know what actually no i'm anything get any game can be designed to be anything like you can make a, uh, if the, the, I forgot the creator behind this, but the, um, um, Uminako writer, um, Rirukishi 07 decided to, uh, make this not as combat focused and more, uh, yeah, just, I guess about the, about the, about the, but more about the, the story and less about that aspect of it. Um, I, I'm like, there was that previous little Silent Hill project, uh, the, the, the first person game that just came out. Um, short message.
Starting point is 01:31:05 It has no combat at all, right? Yeah, okay. So I was going to say, you just had an example recently of a game that's like, oh, this is also what I, you know, Silent Hill's identity is supposed to be, quote, unquote, which is like, it's all that and the combat is not part of it. That game's not very good. By comparison, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Okay. So I wouldn't be surprised if this franchise then from here on out just like is like, no, there will be elaborate combat, but it'll be part of. why of what's going on maybe this seems like the type of the so the game is like kind of laser focused on what it wants to get to at the end of the day um and everything kind of like builds towards that uh in a really really impressive way um i this game was originally supposed to take place in the united states oh um which is completely insane with how like like aggressively japanese it is yeah but the whole um setting appeal is that
Starting point is 01:32:03 Like, it's going to a different place. And Konami was like, we would like you to place it, not in the U.S. Yeah. And so they went, okay, we'll do it Japan. I'm like, oh, fucking okay. So I'm very much looking forward to Neo Bards and Ryukishi 07 doing this. Okay, and every other Sirend Hill game was in America. Like, why would you do that?
Starting point is 01:32:22 Like, that setting is an interesting change for the franchise. Okay. Well, anyway, yeah, sure. I would, if Expedition 33 had not come out this year, this would like be the easiest game of the year like thing i in almost any year uh it is hold on and this is post silk song as well oh yeah no silk song's not game of the year okay okay
Starting point is 01:32:44 silk song's absolutely fantastic silk song also has like massive flaws like huge flaws okay um and hollow night wasn't the game of the year it came out either but it i fucking love it um and no uh uh silks uh what do you call it um And Expedition has this. Delta Ruin discussion and Death Stranding discussion has moved on. Oh, I didn't think Death Stranding was going to be Game of the Year by the time I was like a third of the way through it. Okay.
Starting point is 01:33:17 Okay. Interesting. I'm, like, I still want to go and get my hands on all of that. But I'm definitely feeling like Expedition for me is my favorite experience I've had this year so far. And that continues to be the case. Yeah. especially given the unexpected nature of it out of nowhere and how cool and similar but different it did how it did things i i i'm going to give that a lot of praise over stuff that is similar to experiences i've had before i think um but wow f right there in second place it's it's um it's absolutely fantastic i think that game is is incredible and um this this is not like i don't usually say this this is not you like i'm usually willing to talk to
Starting point is 01:34:10 people about a lot of games for under a lot of context um i don't want to hear an opinion from somebody who did not actually get to that game's last ending themselves don't talk to me like like legitimately like um i went and checked tons of the reviews most of the people talking about this, et cetera, have not actually beaten the game at all? Okay. They should shut up. So what you're going to need to do, folks? They don't know what they're talking about.
Starting point is 01:34:41 You need to take a screenshot of the achievement you got for completing the final real ending and then post your opinion. And if it says that you're one of the 33% or so that got there, whatever the percentage is, because it's always depressingly low. It's always real low. Every time you look down the Chevo percentage on a game. And it's like, how many people got to the 50% mark? Like 25?
Starting point is 01:35:06 Okay, cool. For this game, it's real, real. Let me see. I actually have the game open right now. Okay, if you are the 7.1% of people who have actually beaten the game. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. We can talk.
Starting point is 01:35:24 7%. Yeah, all right. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. And I mean, to be fair, like, you're selling a product. to everybody like you're not going to expect everyone to fucking just reasonably there's a whole lot of people that are like I'm playing a video game I'm done that's good you know oh that's fine but I don't
Starting point is 01:35:42 want to hear critique critique like on a game that they didn't actually play and then there comes the whole thing of like well how can what I have to I have to eat my whole meal before saying it's bad I'm like no of course not but I don't feel like talking to you about it if I love the meal if you didn't even try the fries or etc blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah um yeah no i think i think like like i'll put it to you in the clearest possible terms how seriously are you going to take the opinion of somebody who says to you yeah so i started playing as nine s and i was like fuck that and i was good enough for me there ending a only and then you got a yeah like how like how much do you actually want to talk to them about near automata
Starting point is 01:36:29 We have not played the same. We've not had the same experience. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that game's incredible. More than anything, I'm just like, because you were praying, because you were talking about the stuff of two remake that was really good last time, but this is a really high praise to throw it up there in top three alongside the classics with like, you know, new Konami kind of
Starting point is 01:36:59 Going and getting outside talent to try something. It's so much better than I thought it was going to be. Like I was like, I was like, well, maybe it'll be good. It's, it's incredible. It's incredible. It's super good. How would you feel if they then announced Silent Hill F2 instead of like a completely different thing? So they, so I don't know if you saw, but like,
Starting point is 01:37:29 townfall teaser. It has the same F in it. Oh, the forte, yeah? Yeah, the town, the logo for townfall has the same F. It has the forte for townfall. Um, and, um, I would say that I played through Silent Hill F2 and three, I know, but you know how shitty sequel brain fucking companies think. I think if that was going to be the reality, then they wouldn't have had all their games be unnumbered and have subtitles, right? They would, they would have done Silent Hill 5, 6. They have not done numbers since 4.
Starting point is 01:38:12 They haven't done numbers in decades. Secret, secret numbers. Yeah, no, the internal documentation on the games definitely has numbers. Technically, neither has Resident Evil, you know. Resident Evil's gotten super complicated, super complicated. yeah okay sick right on uh i also played a chronos the other blooper survival horror game uh did i talk about this last week i don't think no is that that's their own ip that is their own ip um it is hey guys do you like dead space and i said i do like dead space um and they're like well
Starting point is 01:38:48 we have a dead space like for you that takes place in uh far future poland in which some horrible bio curse has annihilated everybody in Poland and you are playing a weirdo Samus who is emotionally stunted stealing people's souls via time travel
Starting point is 01:39:10 and shooting goo beasts it's really cool dead space like it's really really really cool it is a great horror feeling of just constantly going what the fuck is going on in this fucking game like what what what who are you
Starting point is 01:39:26 who is that what is that how does that work what year is this oh oh the strand game yeah yeah well kind of strand okay that we saw the trailer we saw the trailer at the reveal and it looked like a strand game yes yes yes
Starting point is 01:39:42 yeah okay this one super fucking strange everything about it is a strange it's also extremely serious survival horror game no difficulty options and upon defeating the game's first boss I was left with one bullet
Starting point is 01:39:57 me okay I was left with one bullet okay okay the game demands you properly use every exclusive barrel and choke point and etc that you could possibly have um its main enemy
Starting point is 01:40:15 mechanic is enemies never permanently die ever so if you you know shoot zombie man and knock it down with bullets, it will stay unmoving forever. It will never get back up. But if a second zombie arrives, it can eat it to upgrade itself to the next tier of enemy. Cool, cool. I was mistakenly thinking of hell for us. Hell is us. So this runs into a very strange problem in which in a massive melee
Starting point is 01:40:48 of like 10 guys, you're like, oh, I'm shooting, I'm, you know, I'm killing this guy, killed this guy, killed this guy and then you look over and one guy is doing the weird tentacle transformation that means he's going to run over
Starting point is 01:41:01 and eat a dead body and become twice as strong and regenerate all his health so then you have to wonder are you going to use your one time use only burn the ground to evaporate all the corpses
Starting point is 01:41:12 or are you going to try and kill that guy before he reaches the dead body or are you just going to give up and have to deal with it and they stack on each other like they have like I have seen at least five different upgrades from guy who dies in one hit to upgrade to upgrade to upgrade to upgrade to boss and it's all just based on managing the the enemies at all times so the burn the corpses to deal with the problem thing I will say that having had this experience with signalis I almost never used my temporary limited fire resort to deal like like I feel like I'm somebody who was like nope just learn how to run around it
Starting point is 01:41:59 just learn how to do it the most inexpensive way possible do not use your limited resources when you have your feet so it's really interesting what they do is they give you uh like you get like you have like a flare you can shoot to the ground and it will burn everything in like 20 feet like around you it'll kill every corpse and it'll do double damage to enemies right it's really really really fucking strong you get one and you'll find dispensers that will like just give you like hey restock up on on your on your flare right but you can carry one so like they're functionally infinite you can just go back to the save point get one okay okay that's different yeah carry one at any given time right right that's different okay fair enough yeah because they've built
Starting point is 01:42:44 like the when you get locked into a room and a bunch of monsters attack you they built it of like, no, you have the one, you have to make your decision as to when to use this one extremely powerful item. Okay. So far, Blueber, Bluebird, Bluebird. It runs really well. It plays really well. It's extremely interesting.
Starting point is 01:43:07 It is so difficult I stop streaming it. Oh, wow. Okay. It is so difficult that I, actually stopped streaming it and was like I am too stressed out to stream this I am having a very sweaty time here
Starting point is 01:43:25 I need to I would like to play something a little more relaxed don't let them merge is a pretty good trailer stinger line so I guess so this is the thing the feeling of you walk into a room and see a bunch of small grunts
Starting point is 01:43:44 and no no so here here's what broke me you want to hear you eventually upgrade your gun to have a little indicator that shows you when you pointed it what enemies are actually dead and which ones are asleep right okay
Starting point is 01:43:58 so you you walk in so I walk into a room and some fucking shit ass factory and I start pointing at the floor and there are like 10 enemies that are sleeping in here and I have not enough ammunition for them and so I'm like
Starting point is 01:44:13 okay I'll try it and I for like the first time in years i just straight up completely ran out of ammunition okay and i'm like am i going to have to kill like half of these guys and then backtrack like the 10 minutes to the safe point and then restock my ammunition in it and i eventually did that and i'm like this is asking a lot this is asking a lot of me do you have a melee option that's reasonable no it sucks the melee option sucks Oh, okay. No boo.
Starting point is 01:44:52 So that game's great, but I wanted to take a break and do something a little more easy. So I said, you know what? People have been blowing smoke up my ass about that Digimon Time Stranger demo. Oh, Digimon. Yeah, yeah. And I don't remember nothing about Digimon other than the movie
Starting point is 01:45:08 and the fact that Angel Woman was there and there was a little cute little guy called Padamon. He turned into Angamon. Yeah. And that was cool as shit. And the song, right? No, Bancho Leoman, Igresil, all that stuff. So I hopped on to, I hopped on to the demo and got to the end of the demo and then went, oh, I got to buy this shit right now and fucking keep going.
Starting point is 01:45:36 That Digimon, so first of all, the stories, the title is very strange. Digimon story time stranger. There's no colon, there's no comma, there's no nothing. It's just Digimon Story Time Stranger. That game fucking rules, man. Mm-hmm. That game came out of... So we talk about this, like this feels like a long-lost PS2 game or some shit like that.
Starting point is 01:45:58 Digimon Story Time Stranger is actually, I shit you not, a fucking PS3 game that fell through a time portal. And I mean that both, like, thematically, the way it looks, the way it plays the way it sounds. But actually, it's been stuck in Dev hell for years and years and years and years. years. It is actually like a PS3 Vita game that just got kicked down the road year after year after year after year after year.
Starting point is 01:46:27 In mechanics? No, no, like it was literally supposed to release like that. Oh, literally. Okay. Okay. Like when I'm not being metaphorical. I mean, it is actually a PS3 game. Okay. That just fell through a portal and is now here. Okay. It is
Starting point is 01:46:43 what if we combined? What if we made a Digimon game that was just a Shimugami Tense game. What if we just made it? What if we made it take place in modern day Tokyo? What if we had it be about preventing global thermonuclear war with Digimon
Starting point is 01:47:00 and have like a straight up SMT style apocalypse? Yeah. I was going to say, did you play a cyber sleuth? I played a little bit, not a whole lot. Okay, because what you're, people were describing similar of that about why that was so good too.
Starting point is 01:47:16 so okay um um um but uh it is a extremely well put together visually appealing interesting uh great music uh classic jr pg uh which uses the digimon evolution system which i was not familiar with at all because i i know Pokemon i know SMT yeah the weirdest part about them is that they go up and down. They don't stay. So I didn't understand that at all. I did not understand that at all. So,
Starting point is 01:47:50 yeah, so Pokemon is like a linear L evolution. Maybe there's a trade evolution. SMT, you're mashing them together and making them kiss and using them as fuel for a bigger one.
Starting point is 01:48:00 Digimon is like, well, did you get your strength high enough? Well, you can turn into the strength version that leads from this Digimon. It's not a tree. It's a web.
Starting point is 01:48:09 Yeah, you don't have to commit. It's just an install for the, so I, I was originally like really overwhelmed, like really, really, really overwhelmed because you'll go to Digivolve and you'll be looking at your cute little padamont
Starting point is 01:48:21 and there's like a fucking list of five and it's like, well, do you have the stats or rank or this or this for this one? And I'm like, I don't fucking know. I don't know which one I fucking want. It's, um, it's common writer. Yeah. That's all it is.
Starting point is 01:48:34 It's common writer forms. Yeah. And then I find out that the game, one of the games like meta upgrades is decrease the stats required. and that also bonus stats acquired from any given thing remain forever. So I can play as Padamon and level them up to Angamon. And then when Anjima gets the bonus stats, I can level them back down to Patamon and then level it back up.
Starting point is 01:48:59 And go back and forth, back and forth, etc. It's super, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it is a little more complicated than those other ones. but it is nice to have a different style of monster evolution that isn't simple enough that it's for babies and doesn't like use up the things that you have. Like one of the things that I actually kind of got sick of after all these years doing persona and SMT fusions is like doing this thing where you're like,
Starting point is 01:49:31 well, I want the two fusions of these guys, but I want to keep those two off. No, you're going to lose what you had. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the free-forming allowing you to do that Or the other bit too is like I want my cool fucking giant walking tank to also go back to being my cute little buddy
Starting point is 01:49:51 You know Also it bears mentioning that Digimon was Everybody who watches this knows this But to me, I was reminded that Digimon is the Powell world of the 90s What if your Pikachu evolved to have fucking guns on his arms, dog. Or what if it became a hot
Starting point is 01:50:15 fucking BDSM leather lady? Yeah. Or became a sick-ass bad show. Yeah, absolutely. With the tattered fucking cloth. I love it. That's great.
Starting point is 01:50:26 That's super cool. I also discovered... I was able to... So, no, just like, reminders that, you know, being friends with Josh means you're exposed to us. all of it and you've and you get to you get to kind of go like okay okay okay yes yes tell me about that one though what's that one about um that game's just really cool uh it's also like
Starting point is 01:50:53 it also has has given me a type of deja vu i've never felt in the game before it might be the strangest experience like internally i've ever had in a game um so the game uh takes place in Shinjuku in modern day Tokyo and then there's some events that bring you to Kabuki Cho because oh Digimon activity in Kabuki Chow and then they're like you should go down to the theater district in Kabuki Chow
Starting point is 01:51:16 and then I'm like I go to that area and I'm like oh why does this area feel so weird and then I realize that I'm fighting a boss fight against a war graem on in the theater square next to the club Sega and the bowling alley that Kiryu
Starting point is 01:51:33 goes to all the time. Oh yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. It's the same place that I've never been to for real, but it's still the same place, and it's super strange. Yeah, I mean, whatever, all the different games that take place in fake Japan or real Japan, you mean you're going to see that neighborhood and know exactly what you're doing or where you're going. And like in Dishamon, there's like a weird fake club Sega. like it's a generic arcade instead of the real one it's it's incredibly strange um acubus strip same thing i haven't i haven't played that one so yeah i was uh back in the day i was seriously
Starting point is 01:52:17 considering uh a cyber sleuth LP um and research into that kind of yielded that the LP would probably hit like 80 hours or so and i so this one's a beefy boy this one's like a 60 to 100 um and so i originally only planned on playing the demo and uh the the people that convinced me to continue forward in at least playing it for a little while we'll see what happens is let me say this carefully i was not prepared for the level of people in my or probably our audience that are really specially interested in digimon to a very extreme way. I did not expect the level of absolute Digimon level fanaticism that I would see flying by in my chat.
Starting point is 01:53:14 Like I have not seen in like a long time about anything. Just like. Oh, did you? Did you think? Just absolute like freakassity. Oh, you thought Josh was an isolated case? I did not think that. Okay.
Starting point is 01:53:32 I did not expect that, like, when I would start the stream, that like 20 guys with Digimon tattooed on their foreheads, we're going to show up to, like, crowd around. So there's a number of, a number of folks that get sufficiently pissed off at Pokemon, go down Digimon alley and never look back. You know, there's a, there's a, fuck this bullshit. I hate the direction that's going in or whatever the case is. and you're like, ah, I'm on this train now. And then when there's good games coming out that are like, you know, stuff that you can, you have energy, you have a place to put all that energy, then, yeah, people get very excited about it. They have strong opinions.
Starting point is 01:54:14 Also, to be very open and honest about my reasons for playing this game, I will admit, and I admitted it when I streamed it, that part of me thinks that ZA looks like shit and would like a comparison point of a similar monster taming game to let me know if ZA in fact does look like shit to which I can announce
Starting point is 01:54:41 yeah it does what the fuck do a gooder game ZA I don't know if you saw Gene's review of Pokemon ZA I didn't but I saw people posting the stuff about like the city is one big model
Starting point is 01:54:57 and all that's that's a that's a mistake that's actually a that's fake news okay um but uh the jeans review was like i'll paraphrase here but it was like um i'm glad i lived long enough to play this game it's not very good uh it's it's the it's the Pokemon game that we've been waiting for but it's just not doing it okay well you could always go the other direction and and check out the pal farm I could uh I super impressed with time stranger it's so cool it's it's it's so cool um there's so much of it that's that's like so interesting um that that is a game that really wants you to fight bosses at your peak because um every turn you're your your digamaster or whatever you can just
Starting point is 01:55:52 um use items you can use an item per digimon turn every time for free um and outside of random battles if you stay still for a couple seconds you'll just regenerate all your health and SP to maximum okay and if you if you get a sneak attack against any enemy that's a little too weak
Starting point is 01:56:15 just auto kill it like they don't want the fluff they want you to fucking get in there and just fuck on them um so at any point does this game have like like so Digimon Tamers
Starting point is 01:56:30 they had DigiVices and that they do these cool like animation poses with all the things and it was glowing and all those poses were cool and I was like do they do those do they do the DigiVice poses I'm gonna send you a photo because I remember that that was one of the first things again when Josh is throwing everything my way
Starting point is 01:56:52 and I'm like yep yep yep hey what's that they're doing some cool henshin shit and uh and they're doing you I'm going to send you a, I'm sending you a picture. Okay. So you describe cool henshinch and shit. So the main character of this game,
Starting point is 01:57:06 they are common writer characters. Well, there you go. There is, like you are wearing a green jacket and you have a red scarf on. And the female character you can play as is like skin tight latex and a tiny hat. That's ridiculous. You are just a common writer. But also, Wully, your digit, whatever the fuck phone.
Starting point is 01:57:24 Yeah. They also do a cool henchant. into the thing eternity of a gun yeah oh yeah okay there you go there you go yeah like it is common rider to the nth degree motherfuckers and tamers doing
Starting point is 01:57:38 spinning like hadoken charging motions with their with their digit vices it is it is explicitly common writer yeah that show was cool I liked it um I like it and it's just really cool I think it's really cool
Starting point is 01:57:57 and have also yet to get to the digital verse at all which I think is going to be very interesting also weird whoever did the localized casting for like the voices was having a laugh because like there's some kind of fuck-ass Digimon that looks like a
Starting point is 01:58:18 like a gray alien with a big brain and tentacles and has like a little ray gun and whoever the fuck cast the English voice actor for them was like sound like roger from american dad oh wow okay because it's really funny when you have a boss fight against roger from american dad it's fucking weird nice oh yeah just him on just a fucking cabin rider yeah okay um the only yeah the only yeah the only thing was uh i just it was just the length that was that was that was it you know and this this is a this is a beefy one too so
Starting point is 01:58:52 there's a beefy one but uh uh i did not know that i had a pocket of digital freaks hanging out around. So as long as they're happy, I'm happy. Also, this Digimon thing seems kind of cool. I don't know. Some cool Digimon's with big boobs in there. I don't know. I like that it starts by from Pokemon spite, but.
Starting point is 01:59:15 It did. Yeah. Let's be honest. There you go. Because like I did this thing where I went on social media and I was like, it was like an honest question, but I guess it was inflammatory, which is like, why does Pokemon Zia look like a fake a Pokemon game, like a knockoff Pokemon game, but it's like the real one.
Starting point is 01:59:32 And the answer is because like Nintendo doesn't give them shit for resources, or Game Freak doesn't give them shit for resources. So I'm as I'm sitting out here on the outside watching Pokemon stuff happen and I've always said for years, I'm like, oh, I want
Starting point is 01:59:46 that game where you can look up. And I've described that in a simplest way, right? And then I'm seeing these Guyana games that are coming out and I'm like, okay but not that's not what i meant well it is what i meant but you know za just looks like the like Pokemon's like mobile knockoff yeah like i'm like what i really mean is like good like it's really big and cool you know like if you if you erased my memory right now and said
Starting point is 02:00:17 that this is the new Pokemon ripoff game pow world and then showed me za i'd be like oh wow that does look like a ripoff doesn't it So, you know. Yeah. Okay. But that's been it for me this week. Digimon's great. Kronos is pretty good.
Starting point is 02:00:34 Too hard for me right now. Apparently, apparently the part that I stopped out was like by far the hardest part in the game. So maybe I'll go back to it. Silent Hill F is one of the best games of the year and one of the best Silent Hill games. And if you talk to me about it, but you didn't beat all the endings, I don't want to talk to you. And that's pretty much it. If you want to see more stuff over at Twitch.com slash Pat Stairs at
Starting point is 02:01:00 and YouTube.com slash Pat Stairs at I'm streaming all the time this week. Oh, quick silk song bit. Yeah. So Crests. Last thing I got was witch. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:14 That's a good one. You know you get a fucking fancy ending if you beat the game with the pre-witch curse. Interesting. Okay. It sucks. Yeah. You don't have the last one, do you?
Starting point is 02:01:27 No. Do you want me to tell you where it is? Is that, that's an act two thing that you could have done? No, it's an act three thing. It's an actory thing. Okay. You can get it right now. What are you?
Starting point is 02:01:41 Yeah. Because like the witch one is kind of like, oh, you're going to get this. Okay, got it. You're going to get this because you don't want to be annoyed anymore, which I'm like, oh, I remember Hollow Knight having a moment like this where I'm like, what the fuck? This is super annoying. This item in my inventory needs to go
Starting point is 02:02:03 ASAP. So yeah, you're at the point of the game where you could look up crest locations if you need to. Yep. Yeah. The last crest is the one that I used for the entirety of Act 3 and never pulled off. And it is my favorite. And I wish I could have beat the whole game with it
Starting point is 02:02:19 because it is awesome. Cool. Because I'm like, as much as I like the one I just got, I'm like, that's cool. That move sets all right, but it's not taking away from, you know, my trusty favorite. And every time I go back and get upgrades and those upgrades end up beefing
Starting point is 02:02:34 the one that I don't want to use. I'm like, I don't care if you make Hunter better. I don't give a shit. Can you stop upgrading Hunter? No, the upgrade. The Hunter is the one that gets all the upgrades. Oh, God. Damn it. That's so annoying. Hunter Good, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:50 But this week, I'm going to be checking out Tormented Souls 2. That's going to be a dev sent me a code for that very looking forward to that uh friday blind leading the blind comes back me and page are going to go i'm going to put that blindfold back on and go back to r2 and we're going to totally beat it uh and then on saturday speaking of friend slop on saturday i'm going to be playing a power wash simulator too nice with uh with friend of the show bricky nice that should be i don't know if you've done those but that looks that game i have not i have not power wash Do you feel like you'll be satisfied?
Starting point is 02:03:27 I don't know. Does it? Because I look at it and I'm like, yeah, that's scratch a bunch of itches. That looks like that, yeah, I think so. I haven't done it yet. I can't. I can't. But Bricky was like, it's played power wash.
Starting point is 02:03:40 I'm like, okay. He's like, it's just an excuse to shoot the shit while you clean a bunch of bullshit. I'm like, okay, Bricky, that sounds great. Do you get enjoyment from watching videos of power washing? I get enjoyment of watching anything being cleaned well. Oh. Then you're good. Yeah, you're good.
Starting point is 02:03:55 I was watching um, shoe repair videos last night to fall asleep. There you go. Yep. You're solid. Yeah. All right.
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Starting point is 02:18:52 He left a message that was I mean pretty pretty Itagaki-esque just being like What was it? I still hate Tekken.
Starting point is 02:19:06 The flame of my life is about to go out. The fact that this message has been posted means that my time has finally come. I'm no longer in this world. My life was a continuous battle, which I kept winning. I caused a lot of trouble for others too. I take pride in having fought to the end. Having followed my convictions. I have no regrets, but I'm deeply sorry I could not deliver new works to my fans.
Starting point is 02:19:29 I'm sorry, so it goes. Tominobu Itagaki. uh yeah and um as depicted you know in in a bunch of these photos in memoriam holding a katana yeah because again just you know all these stories of him holding a katana and a bottle of tequila is how he greets journalists being like do you like japanese swords and they're like what the fuck are we doing here that then you're like about ninjas yeah um No, that was nuts. That's him to the end.
Starting point is 02:20:09 And it's kind of crazy, too, with the timing because Harada was, you know, he tweeted out like, damn, we were supposed to go for one more drink. And he recently described all the, what was happening behind the scenes. Over the years, you know, Idaqaki talking about how much he hates Tekken as a franchise. And the five worst games are Tekken 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. But then in the background, like they would actually, you know, they knew each other and there was an understanding that they both kind of, Herada and Didagaki kind of were like, there were going to be these rock star wearing the shades indoors style developers, you know, they didn't just want to be like the geeky software guy. So they put up, they kind of had created these characters. And they also had these weird, this weird relationship where like they were competing. but it was really just Itigaki trying to like talk mad petty shit. So, you know, Harada described how he one day just got a cold invitation to come see the latest project. And in an empty room, they popped on DOA2 and he played it.
Starting point is 02:21:17 And they gave him like less than 10 minutes to play the game and then took it away. And Idaqi's like, so? Doesn't it blow your mind? Isn't it the coolest shit ever? He's like, I barely got a chance to see what was going on. but what I did see was pretty impressive, you know? And he's just being that insane, dude. The other thing I saw popping up was the god of war director.
Starting point is 02:21:49 Where was that? Bruno Velasquez was talking about it. When we were making God of War III, Idaqaki came to visit Santa Monica. and we wanted to impress him with something cool and tantalizing so we showed him the Gorgon enemy and the first thing he said was oh it'd be cool if she could wrap herself around Cratos and squeeze him as part of her attacks
Starting point is 02:22:11 and they showed him that like yeah we thought the same thing as well and we did that and so when they showed him the Gorgon squeezing Cratos he just started grinning and he had his shades on and he was just smiling and laughing at that so they're like okay so he knows exactly what he's looking for yeah and I think to one of the quotes
Starting point is 02:22:32 from over the years that was always just completely bat shit was asking him about dead or alive balance in fighting games to which he says
Starting point is 02:22:49 I don't believe the way for fighting games to survive is through competitiveness dead or alive one two three and four were made as mere entertainment, not competition. I declared that a professional wrestler could never beat a ninja, and dead or alive never tried to balance that strength of the characters.
Starting point is 02:23:06 I thought it was perfectly acceptable to use weak characters to defeat strong ones, even if it was entertaining, because it was worthwhile to do so. We still think that way. That's why DOA6 is the worst. Half-baked is a game is what that is. Yeah. So just no fucks about balance or whatever. It's like, that's a ninja.
Starting point is 02:23:24 no one should be able to beat Ryu Hayibusa shut up who cares you know stupid I don't like that no but he believed in it therefore if you say it with enough conviction it becomes based right that's the rule even if you're wrong if you say it with your full chest um yeah not all roses of course you know all that there's been all kinds of shit over the years as we've covered him but uh you know rest in peace
Starting point is 02:23:53 and that was a really sudden one he was 58 which is pretty young and I don't think he anyone knew what was going on with him health-wise so it seems like it was another kind of like out of nowhere a situation that like was pre he had a pre-written message that someone posted on his behalf
Starting point is 02:24:13 you know and that was that um also it seems like the the timing of that too is like Ninja Guyton for you know is like right there and it sounds like people are also like super enjoying that and think it's dope as hell
Starting point is 02:24:29 so um you know even though he's no it's not his direction necessarily and stuff it seems like those franchises live on um yep
Starting point is 02:24:43 that's that's about that that that sucks does there any news about what like how he passed or why No, no, I think it's You know, just family Keeping it private for now
Starting point is 02:24:58 But it was just a Whatever it was, he knew it was going to happen Because like again, he pre-wrote and told everybody That was close to him what the deal was So Um Yeah I, I, I, you kind of
Starting point is 02:25:18 This is one of those times where it's like, I think one of those guys Russian mobster tombstones is appropriate. It would not be culturally on point at all, but damn. Oh, for, it wouldn't. Just a samurai sword and tequila, like, etched into the marble. You know, holding both of just like, you like video games with the shades on, you know? I don't know, man.
Starting point is 02:25:44 Yeah. Feels like he wanted to, he became the person. He became the character. and then it stopped being a character, you know? Anyway. What else is going on? There was a... There was a supposedly an Adam Driver, Ben Solo, Star Wars movie
Starting point is 02:26:17 that was going to be directed by Stephen Soderberg. Okay. And when was this supposed to take? place. So it was supposed to take place after episode nine. And it's really weird reading about this because, okay, so Adam Driver liked it. He said he liked playing Kylo and was down to do more. The studio liked it. And the getting, the weird part about this is like they present, the whole thing is they had everyone there. They had the script and seen as Steven Soderberg like legit thought it was a good idea and was down to do it. And I'm like, that's not someone I would expect to get on a
Starting point is 02:26:56 Star Wars movie. So already I'm like, huh, because that's a director that would take on you and mad, like, you know, projects that you would, you'd imagine he'd be like, I'm above this type of franchise, you know, surprisingly. And it was supposed to be called the hunt for Ben Solo. Lucasfilm and everyone else loved it. They understood the angle and why they were doing it. Um, but then they took it to Bob Eiger and they said no, because they simply didn't see how Ben Solo could be alive. And that was that stupid. Are you fucking stupid? So I'm like, okay. The same fucking movie that said somehow Palpatine returned. Let's like, I'm now, wow, really drawn a fucking line on the stand there, huh, bitches? Oh, wow. Um, yeah, I, I also,
Starting point is 02:27:47 if you're gonna fucking throw every rule in the garbage and just slop it the fuck up, then at least do some fun slop. You could also tell a story that takes place at different times in different ways. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't mean you can't do something there. And I would say that like
Starting point is 02:28:04 Adam Driver and Kylo Ren and all that were, he did a good job in his role and I, that was one of the things, that was one of the parts of the new trilogy that I thought actually was like nailing it with this new fucking dorky, not Vader
Starting point is 02:28:21 clone type type dude you know like i thought that that was great and i loved how oh kailo is my favorite part of all the three yeah i loved how like he was just not vader he was this like he was not dorky kid he he wanted to be him so bad i love that like vader could throw temper tantrums and be this intimidating dude but like the temper tantrums you're watching kailo throw are like actual toddler losing his mind getting mad and petty you know um and for Furthermore, I like that like the First Order is like this kind of pathetic, shitty
Starting point is 02:28:57 group of essentially neo-Nazis. You know what I mean? Trying to hearken back to some shit that they're Yeah, and they had a thousand death stars. We're all Star Destroyers. You know, the fact that whatever, the fact that they're super lame makes that work.
Starting point is 02:29:14 That movie is so bad. I think I think that like of all that kerfuffling about like, Last Jedi really got everyone tired and didn't spend nearly enough time hating on just
Starting point is 02:29:27 how God awful that I can't remember the fucking name of it Rise of Skywalker. Rise of Skywalker. I think I think that is like kind of an absolute top shelf franchise ruining piece of shit to just completely
Starting point is 02:29:43 ruin the stakes of like literally anything else that could ever happen. Oh yeah villains come back to life. Yeah, whatever. How many how many death stars? They got a thousand death stars. Whoa! Shut the fuck up. What a piece of shit.
Starting point is 02:29:57 We just had this discussion, you know, going over it with Reggie. But it's just like I, like, it just, when you look back on this and you go, oh, yeah, Force Awakens felt like people were cautiously optimistic, but like there's some trepidation over like where this could go. The potential's there. They played it safe, but we don't know. Maybe something can happen. and then you get the next two movies that are just fighting against each other and are too cowardly to commit to anything
Starting point is 02:30:27 and every move that follows the last one is just we were too afraid so we backed down and and try to go back to something that everything would be safe with it just fucking and Willie I got a hey I got a great idea you ready? I'm gonna
Starting point is 02:30:44 I'm gonna okay listen I'm gonna take a billion dollar bet and have no place Yeah. Yeah. No plan. Well, so that's so weird. It's like you hear about the what these background things are like, oh, we're going to give D&D, um, a trilogy of their own. Right? You're like, what? But then, dude. Okay. So here's my favorite part because I, that thought connected as you said it. Okay. So hey, why did D&D get fired from the Star Wars project? Oh, because they fucked up their game of Thrones thing. How'd they fuck up their game of Thrones thing? Oh, because they had no plan. All right. Right. So we don't want to get the guys with no plan. What we want to do is have no plan and just get a bunch of guys and them also have no plan. And we'll just see what happens. Like the dumbest part, it's like I think even if you got like not JJ Abrams or whatever, like if you got the same person in charge of seven, eight and nine, at least you'd have consistency and not like three movies fighting each other. Well, because it was like, hey, you know, George didn't, you know, there were different directors on each of the Star Wars movies. And that's made them so good.
Starting point is 02:31:54 Yeah, George was there, man. Like, he didn't direct Empire, but he was like there on the set working on the fucking movie. Just, you know, when the last minutes of one movie immediately are just fighting against the opening of the next, it's like, what the fuck are we doing? anyway um thank god i watched that fortnight video so i could find out what was going on so apparently you know um all that all that cowardice and fear for what episode nine was going to be and so on like was just the same idea same bob higer style shit so at this point you're almost like well why not just make a fucking kailoran movie just you know like why why not like anyway um i the the seeing seeing like someone like Steven Soderberg
Starting point is 02:32:45 attached to it is like interesting to me because I'm like huh what were you going to do here that was going to be unexpected or different because I don't think you'd get him for a bog standard you know movie or something like solo or whatever like
Starting point is 02:33:01 something that wasn't trying something interesting I doubt he'd bother showing up for it so in any case there's that one I'm deeply, deeply tired of covering giant mega corp gaming industry new shit. Yeah, but this is the economy now. We can't make any money.
Starting point is 02:33:29 So let's just fire everyone and merge. It's not fun anymore. It's not, it's just not fun. Oh, yeah, I was really fun at the beginning. Yeah, you know, yeah. So I want off this ride, but whatever. Warner Brothers is signaling that it's up for sale Oh yeah you mean the the best deal ever that we made
Starting point is 02:33:49 Oh it's going to be so good and then they ruined everything about their own companies And now they're broke again and they're like please buy us Well the fun like this is a please bias but the the the part about the details here is Where about those signals us up for sale for and has received interest from quote-to-quote multiple parties And you know so this is like please please mega merge please do the super buyout three years right it just happened
Starting point is 02:34:11 it just happened um but but here they're like they're even telling you they're like hey look guys we're open to different strategic options it doesn't have to be a big corporate buyout you can do a split and spin right so you can you can buy us and split us into pieces and spinoffs like NBC did
Starting point is 02:34:31 or you can do a transaction for the entire company or you can do separate transactions for different businesses or discovery global business You don't have to buy the full service. I can just give you a quick andy in the pocket lot. I can wear this. I can wear whatever you want. I can put on these.
Starting point is 02:34:47 I got these pumps. I definitely ran this company right into the dirt. Like, wow. Do you want the garter on or off? How do you want this? You know, like wherever you need it back. I can come to you or you can come to me. Do you want me to make eye contact or absolutely no eye contact?
Starting point is 02:35:04 It's all good. Whatever you need. I'm that. it's it's wild to see the one way proposal immediately followed by and here's the options how you can have me fuck it's crazy yeah um it's it we we've entered into a form of capitalism in which there are some companies that have lost any ability to create value at all and so they're literally just playing musical chairs with each other's money? Yeah, well, essentially,
Starting point is 02:35:42 this is the only way for them to create value with their shareholders. By pitching that it's all on the table, no loads refused. All holes open. I saw someone, I saw somebody describe what's happening to Warner Brothers Discovery as them lighting everything in the company
Starting point is 02:36:05 on fire to keep warm and now the fire is dying down like we've burned everything we own and now we are left with nothing shit how do we oh fuck we just need to find more stuff to burn when there's nothing left to burn you must set yourself on fire
Starting point is 02:36:25 um other fun stuff uh hey you know how we talk about how cool cool the internet of things is. No. One of my absolute favorite internet of things stories this week. So I don't know if you heard, but Amazon Web Services had a huge outage yesterday.
Starting point is 02:36:53 It went down. And a lot of bad things happened, right? A lot of people lost their apes, for example. Apes went away. Oh, man. Not my apes. Yep. If you went to go look at pictures of your ape,
Starting point is 02:37:07 You might have been greeted with some image not displayed. Sorry, AWS is down. But if you happen to have one of them big honking smart beds, and then the Amazon Web Services outage occurs while you're, I don't know, using the heating on your smart bed, then you might have experienced a bed that was stuck in overheating mode that would not turn off because no connection to the server means you cannot control the bed or do anything with it. If you were on a bed that was, for example, tilted upwards at an angle,
Starting point is 02:37:59 you could not return that bed to normal position because it locked itself in whatever state it was in. in as soon as the servers went down some people had beds that they described as bricked yeah because a bed can get bricked now yeah so
Starting point is 02:38:20 this is something that I mean we're we're tech people right we're gaming people right Willie we're in that ecosystem and there appears to be two types of those people there's people like you and me who I don't want my fucking fridge
Starting point is 02:38:39 to connect to shit. I want my fridge to plug into the wall and make my fucking food cold. And then there's like early adopters, people that I would describe as like just absolutely obsessed with the cult of the technologically new who are so obsessed with living in the future
Starting point is 02:39:00 that they make sure that every single thing they get is an absolute ready to break piece of fucking shit. well and the thing is is that you've you've always have a company that's willing to serve that person exactly what they're looking for if it has a shiny screen on it and some buttons and some noises and uh 10 out of 10 times it's dog shit that doesn't work oh whoa yeah is it get your juice press right yeah exactly get your fucking flat juice press that has no actual fruits going into it to squeeze your juiceero you know i have a dumb bed it's a duh it's a bed that has covers um like the idea and that's the thing is like the idea that you would have this type of bed or this type of thing uh option available and not immediately have a single like physical like thing you turn and it just makes the bed drop back to normal why would you do that it's it's crazy why would you have that though a fail safe The beds, the bed's going to, but it'll never fail.
Starting point is 02:40:05 It'll never fail, right? The servers will never go down. There should never be a problem. Yeah. And like, the cheaper, the thing is to make in a lot of cases, the more you save by taking away options from people. So, you know, you see this in like, like, um, low end laptops where they come really affordable, but they're like absolutely bloated to shit with garbageware.
Starting point is 02:40:29 It's bloatware, et cetera. Um, runs like garbage. crap, there's buttons, there's add buttons on the laptop. Oh, cool. That's great. That's cool. That's so awesome. All right. Let me know when you have it up and running.
Starting point is 02:40:50 Okay. Hold on. Holden. At least I caught it fast this time. Gotta not be entertaining. I'm trying not to be entertaining Wow, this is great This is awesome that this happened three times today
Starting point is 02:41:11 That's super good I like that All right, I'm recording It's Sonic the Hedgehog He's running Count it down Five, four, three Three, two, one
Starting point is 02:41:24 Sink Great, woo So yeah, there you go um folks uh if you're buying a smart bed um don't you probably want to get a dumb bed or or you know get yourself a bed that will not lock your you in a upright position while also overheating you um when your internet goes down or when worse a web service goes down right because that's the type of thing where it's like oh if the connection in your house fails it probably has something to be like oh no connection found whatever but when your connection to the internet is is fine but the
Starting point is 02:42:04 other end server is failing it's probably getting an error message that it's not ready for where it's like well hold on a minute the bed company servers are still up therefore things are fine so what's going on what's wrong there's something else further that's hitting a cycle that we don't know what to do um as your bed tries to ping the servers so yeah uh good stuff um love love is it it's internet it's it's um internet of things right well what was the internet what was there's an actual account or just people having screenshots of like their toaster updating its firmware yeah um don't care for it horrible pretty bad all right uh beyond that uh what's going on there was a
Starting point is 02:42:59 Oh, quick PSA. If you're out there and somebody is offering to sell you an autographed copy of a near automata thing signed by Yoko Taro, be wary that the autograph is potentially fake. There's a lot of those reselling and he put out a PSA to go, people are faking my autograph on things. And I can tell because I always put little secret codes to make sure that it's real that only I would recognize. and I got a hey I got a real special relic here I got a piece of the true cross
Starting point is 02:43:35 I got it straight from the Jesus do you want it well if it's straight from the Jesus it's a true cross it's just a little piece it's definitely not a toothpick I found on the ground okay but what if Jesus was on Twitter being like hey don't buy that do you really know if that's really Jesus
Starting point is 02:43:56 Are you sure? I'm right here. Would I lie to you? Um, maybe I'm old fashioned, genuinely. Maybe I'm an old fashioned piece of shit. Um, I don't think an autograph that you don't personally fucking get counts for shit.
Starting point is 02:44:18 I think it is simply a nice thing to collect or have if you yourself want the item. I think if you're doing it for reselling purposes or so, then, uh, yeah, that's, that's probably the wrong reason to go collect something like that. But, um, I, shit that I have like that is like, because I, I, I like having a dice gay Ishiwitari signed guilty gear vinyl for me that I will not be giving to anyone else. Did he sign it for you? Yes. Sick. Isn't that sick as fuck?
Starting point is 02:44:55 It's really cool. It's for you? It is for me. Yeah. Anyways. Beyond that, new art of... Someone in the chat asks, well, what if they're dead?
Starting point is 02:45:12 Then you're shot at getting their autograph is over. Take it. Like, the autograph is not about getting a rare item that you can have and no one else can have, unless you're an asshole, the point is getting a special connection between a place, person, or thing that you really care about, direct from it or them. Yeah, but you see, the baseball card like business directly goes against this idea. So, you know, that's the thing, right?
Starting point is 02:45:45 Anyways, anyways, they teased a new art of fighting game, as they said they would, and it just, the largest, loudest why? like from anyone everyone really I just I don't even think Art of Fighting fans want more art of fighting I just don't know what the point is but there it is
Starting point is 02:46:08 I was under the impression that Art of Fighting fans were actually just forcibly transformed into King of Fighter's fans is correct the thing you liked became another thing and you went yeah alright you know that's fine
Starting point is 02:46:23 like this is pretty fun I'm okay with that like that is that is exactly the case um uh nonetheless uh there's some some new shit stern over at quantic dream they've announced uh in addition to working on uh the star wars game that is totally still happening and absolutely we promise a new multiplayer free-to-play game called spellcasters chronicles a hero-based third person action game with deck building and real time strategy. I don't want to call
Starting point is 02:47:00 it a moba. It is it is I said a hero based third person action game with deck building and real time strategy what the fuck part of those words do you not understand you stupid bitch you stupid fucking bitch
Starting point is 02:47:16 you stupid horse shut the fuck up it looks a lot like deadlock stop saying that word it's a fucking mober what is mober of a band word in this game industry? Oh, you don't want to be lumped in with your mober cousins? That is not what we called it. There are minions, there are buildings to construct, and there are spellcasters.
Starting point is 02:47:36 Shut the fuck up. It's a fucking mover. Anyway, we'll see. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's certainly is entering into the genre. And, uh, good luck, Quantic Dream. Um, it's, it's really fascinating. Because, right? Like some money away from the riots like we can't get away from this moba shit fucking fast enough we need we need something else and Valves like we're putts in away at our own fucking shit whatever and then here comes quantum dream late to the party. Just just the knowledge that you know they're there they're right here in Montreal now you know.
Starting point is 02:48:23 Yeah. Just uh I don't know. It just, it feels, it feels, it feels heavy on the soul, you know, it feels that there's just, there's something in town and, and walking by that building, you kind of stare at it wondering what the fuck's going to come out of there. What, what form of, of kidney pain am I going to feel in the future from what's being cooked up in that building right over there? Oh, we got a great, uh, quote from Dad Asana in the chat about Battleborn.
Starting point is 02:48:55 do you remember that battleborn is hobby grade co-op campaign genre blended multi-mode competitive esports meta growth choice plus epic battleborne heroes do you remember that i remember that i mean what a sell what a sell take my take my investment dollars right now that covers everything that covers all things um i'll tell you one thing that like, hey, you, you, you take a stab at this genre and you, you, you do so to fund um, whatever your, your needs are in the background. You can clearly tell what a project is like, yeah, this is what we put out to make the money to do the other things that are totally still happening. I feel like, um, this is too far out of their wheelhouse. Well, it's a new
Starting point is 02:49:55 studio so it could be in the wheelhouse of the new studio but who knows it's been watching footage it doesn't look bad yeah the thing is is just we're like i don't know what the cage effect is on this studio anymore i don't know what percentage what amount it's been years i don't think he does either it's been so long that who the fuck knows you know whether any percentage of this remains David Caged or not. I guess we'll find out, but one thing is the studio still exists. They're working on what they've announced there. And I don't know.
Starting point is 02:50:42 Let's let's see if a farting dick and balls will make its way into the sprays in the game. Hey, listen, I know it's wrong to judge a book by its cover. I know that's not useful. and in fact incorrect to do but I would like to point out that the title of this game is fucking god awful
Starting point is 02:51:02 Spell casters Chronicles yeah so first of all it's not Spell Caster Chronicles it's Spell Casters Chronicles which I feel is awkward but also having your multiplayer game have the word chronicles in the title just makes it seem like
Starting point is 02:51:18 like shit completely forgettable yeah yeah okay you know yeah could be um it obviously will ever ever beat dongate ever uh we i think so but the name i've forgotten the ones that have beaten it already so that's the problem what hey what's the name of that fucking not starcraft game no no the game that's not starcraft that's made by the blizzard people but it's not starcraft that that fucking thing oh because any can anyone
Starting point is 02:51:54 is it called storm gate you fuck off storm there's no storm gate no way I think that might actually be called storm gate storm gate yeah it's called storm gate this this bit is eternal it's just the eternal what is up with the word gate in the title of your game man look chronicles doesn't have to be bad but like it doesn't it also doesn't have to be it's fine
Starting point is 02:52:18 It's fine. All I was going to say is that when I look at this trailer so far and stuff, it just looks like Quantic Dream trying to become a different company. Yeah. I think they're in the process of, you know, trying to leave the identity behind and become something different. But what's the level of toxicity I can expect in Stormgate Chronicles? Well, if it's anything. It's not the name the game. It's Smellcasters Chronicles. Well, well, if the level of toxicity in the air while it was being made has anything to do with how the soup tastes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:52:51 Oh, that's good. I like that. All right. That's fine. Let's take some letters. Hey, if you want to send in a letter, you can send it to Castle's Super Beastmail at Gmail.com. That's Castle's Super Beastmail at Gmail.com.
Starting point is 02:53:04 I mean, sure, we could talk about the fact that Xbox dev kits are now getting more expensive, but it's like, yeah, throw another log on the dumpster, you know? Well, like, what do we, cozy up? How many stories do we need here? oh i love every xbox story every single xbox story is um there was there's a different one today that was even funnier which was uh the the head of xbox i forget her name uh was like uh the next xbox is going to be like a uh curate a highly curated experience which is like oh so it's not going to play all my fucking xbox games
Starting point is 02:53:44 also that that handheld is like an outrageous piece of shit you know that that that wrong ally I didn't see chips with fucking teams on the fucking thing sweet and I watched I watched fucking Dan Reichert getting a fucking boot loop
Starting point is 02:54:02 where it just broke and all his Windows recovery options broke on boot and the thing just bricked itself yeah I feel like we're going from this is an Xbox to the only place to get one is to order it directly from the Microsoft store yeah and that's a good that's
Starting point is 02:54:18 so good for video game. Also, I'm pretty sure that the reason Audacity is doing this shit to me today is because I have failed to install the new Windows update. So that's awesome. Probably going to have to wipe this whole fucking computer.
Starting point is 02:54:34 How fucking dare you. You will use one drive. You will use one drive. And use one drive. Castle Superbeast mail at gmail.com that's the place to send a mail like this one DSG says hey Willie OS and Pat Buntu I recently switched to Linux due to Microsoft
Starting point is 02:54:59 being Microsoft when I decided How appropriate of a fucking email right this second When deciding to choose the distro I was reminded of the Forever War regarding Linux Still what are the Forever Wars that have been waged currently being waged and could be waged once everyone listening to this is dead uh yes thanks in regards to sg uh i think the forever war
Starting point is 02:55:23 that'll be raging forever beyond our lifetime is coke and pepsi is just internal i recently went to a restaurant and i asked for a diet coke and she was like great and then uh they brought it to me and it was in a glass and i took a sip and i was like hmm this is fucking diet me you said it like that did you yeah no yeah i did i did i said it to page like that across the table and She was like, oh, gross. So I feel like, you know, when you see the split between the different corpse and, like, the food companies and all the things they own and subsidiary brands and so on, like, Coke and Pepsi is, it's so deep rooted that, like, it spills out into other rivalries and makes them more rivals. Like, I feel like Coke and Pepsi is why McDonald's and Burger King are more at each other's throats. It's a factor.
Starting point is 02:56:13 Right? Like McDonald's versus Burger King Yeah sure they're their burger rivals But there's also like Wendy's and all these other fast food joints in the mix But like those two particular head going off on each other Is a part of the Coke and Pepsi war You know it's a forever war There's a forever war that I can I can sum up as a tweet
Starting point is 02:56:36 I saw posted by what must have been a New Yorker Which was Hey did you fuck up your dinner? Don't worry about it it. Just call it Chicago style and serve it as is. Oh, are we talking about garbage plates? I don't know. No, that's just a general purpose. Like, whatever, like New York and Chicago, fighting over their own food styles.
Starting point is 02:57:01 Okay, okay. It's going to be long after the dissolution of the United States and humans in general. Okay, okay. The fucking frog creatures that inhabit the earth will find the tombs of New York and Chicago pizza and fight a war over it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they're like the, um, the, the entire, the war between, uh, uh, Greek food and, uh, Turkish food and the similarities and the things that overlap will,
Starting point is 02:57:29 like, have an actual body count forever. Like, that shit is. And, and it's because it's so deeply tied in like an actual, like, you know, uh, uh, there's a period of time where when they were like conquered and like oppressed and people were like trying to find their own culture within being oppressed by another culture they're like this is our food but it's borrowing parts of other things it's crazy how deep that shit goes but um and then don't even talk about like the albanian part of that mix either and how they all like fucking the the Balkans war goes crazy um have you ever do you are
Starting point is 02:58:04 you aware of the Rochester garbage plate familiar I want you to Google the word garbage plate. And that is the Should I put the word Rochester on that? No, just put garbage plate. That is the, that is the specialty food. That's a specialty dish. Of course. Yep. That's a specialty dish that you
Starting point is 02:58:24 get Rochester style. You know what I'll tell you? I'm going to say the meanest possible thing that I can think of. So the garbage plates in American dish, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Created in Rochester. This looks like British food. that's fucking brutal that's crazy
Starting point is 02:58:43 this looks like something that's crazy British people invented oh my god wow them's fighting words look at the look don't just look at the description there though
Starting point is 02:58:52 go to the images you gotta go to the images because a pile of fucking shit yes because if you look at one picture you're going to go oh that's a good no that's not a garbage plate
Starting point is 02:59:01 oh it's a piece of shit a garbage plate is anything we have on a put together on a plate What is this, the 1918 equivalent of a fucking struggle meal? Just, hey, ask, ask me a question. What, ask me, ask me for some food. What do you, what do you got on there?
Starting point is 02:59:18 Yep, we got it. Hey, I'd like to call out Gen C. Call out the whole generation. Good luck. I have seen many videos describing, this is my college struggle meal. This is my long week struggle meal or whatever. Okay, and then I will watch it, and then they turn on a stove, and I'm like, fuck you. That's not struggle enough.
Starting point is 02:59:47 A struggle meal involves just putting a bunch of fucking ingredients in a bowl and just pretending it's fucking food. The struggle meal is girl dinner. It's not food. If you have an ingredient list for your girl dinner, that's bullshit. A struggle meal is a spoon, a jar of peanut butter, and like expired yogurt. Um, is struggle meal, are we talking about just like poor college food? Yeah. Yeah, this is what I, this is my struggle meal I ate during college.
Starting point is 03:00:26 And if it's anything but the ramen packets with no water, I, you're, you're a liar. So you have a hot plate for your struggle meal? Liar. Because you're cooking. That's a meal. because I had I certainly had a stove in my place and I know others that did
Starting point is 03:00:43 but the problem was affording the ingredients and or the preparation of the ingredients was often difficult so yeah basic rime in packets would last and you'd
Starting point is 03:01:01 find a way to cut up some hot dogs or I found a place that had the cheapest beef I could get was little slices made for soup and I was like well that's my that's my beef you know so I don't know I feel like having access to a stove
Starting point is 03:01:19 doesn't necessarily stop you from having a struggle meal I will I would like to segue this into something I will appreciate as a struggle meal I have recently been informed of a new subreddit Last week, I believe, I think it was Kate Bush's ex-husband that posted it.
Starting point is 03:01:41 But might be the funniest subreddit I have ever seen in my life. And it is kitchen cells. And it is, it is, it is, it is like. That's a funny word. I like that. It is, um, dudes just screaming about how shit their life is and a picture of the dinner they're eating right now. Oh, okay, okay. Might be the funniest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life.
Starting point is 03:02:11 Okay. Genuine, like, genuinely, might be the funniest thing I've ever seen. So, there were times when we were getting our chef boy R.D cans, and, like, that was just, that was dinner. Yeah. And every cook them? No. Good. Straight out of the camera.
Starting point is 03:02:32 Good. Yeah, I like this. This is good. Yeah. that was me and my brother just that was dinner you know we would that was that was how we did it um and
Starting point is 03:02:41 like if we were if shit was popping off that week we got one of them chunky soups you know and it was like oh that's a bigger can with like more meat and stuff in there and it was like oh fuck what are we celebrating yeah you know um I don't know I'm assuming I feel like that should count because it's just yeah right right from the can yeah
Starting point is 03:03:05 A can of soup? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's struggle. Okay. Okay. Um, so yeah, that's a forever war. Uh, I would say,
Starting point is 03:03:18 um, wouldn't? Mass Brothers players and the law. Do you know which one? I'm going to say perhaps Wizards of the Coast and games workshop or
Starting point is 03:03:47 whatever. Like, am I no, no, not like Warhammer and versus in D&D stuff or no. I would say Sonic Fox and literally every other person who plays Warner Brothers fighting. games until they die
Starting point is 03:04:08 Aska versus Ray is a forever war that is so perfect because it's it's like it's just it might as well be ketchup and mustard like it's just two extremes personality type sure right sure yeah what are you looking for you know what my favorite thing is the there was a that fortune post that was like Ray
Starting point is 03:04:33 versus Oscar and they start arguing and someone of these like, you motherfuckers have been doing this for 20 years. That was 10 years ago. That was 10 years ago. Yes. And the correct answer is still Massado. Anyway.
Starting point is 03:04:48 Look how smart I am. I refuse to answer. I don't engage. I'm so much better than this argument. Yeah. Exactly. Enlightened Misato fans. You want ketchup or mustard with your hot dog. I brought my own barbecue sauce. Oh, look at you. Yes. I brought, I brought
Starting point is 03:05:04 truffle mayo actually fuck off comes with my own penguin oh man um all right I'm gonna you know I got I have I have one I have one that will speak near and dear to your heart
Starting point is 03:05:22 a war that is built in to the human psyche I think it might be the single most core difference between humans of all ages races, races, creeds, genders etc. And that is between morning people and night owls because morning people
Starting point is 03:05:39 think they are better than night owls but it's that is it but this is pure like this feels like you're just born with this is all nature like like that's that's why it's so fucking nefarious I mean I feel like school like college cultivated the nocturnal part of me to like be to lock it in you know
Starting point is 03:06:01 but even prior to that I'm like no I just I'm more alert during the night. I just, I have no say in the matter. I've always been this way. I mean, I get up at 7 a.m. every single day now. I am a morning person now, but I'm not a morning person. I'm a morning person in the same way that a bear chasing me turns me into a marathon runner. I do it because I fucking have to. That is the schedule God provided for me. The reason why they think they're better is because our culture has developed one of like hard work is associated with waking up at the crack of dawn and going and helping with the farming shit and it's a responsible thing to get up early and to not sleep in be sleeping in his lazy you know what you
Starting point is 03:06:41 know what causes that you know what the what the biological reason for that is old people who control society start waking up at fucking four in the morning and falling asleep at three four p.m. So every single fucking structure in our lives is built around that's not a conspiracy. That's real. Teenagers, wake up naturally 10-11 teenagers are built to stay up late but the school system is like get up at 6 a.m. and drag your ass down there because I don't care if you don't understand first period that's crazy. You can't call it classes at fucking 8 a.m. Yeah, did you remember a single fucking thing? No, it's like a secret. That's wild. The olds go to bed and early. Therefore,
Starting point is 03:07:28 society must shift earlier. Yeah, because they're in positions of hierarchical power. Yeah, you know what? Sure, that's bullshit. I'll believe it. I'll take that. You remember being in high school and you remember being in high school and you had to drag your fucking comatose ass to class only to see your 70 year old fucking English teacher
Starting point is 03:07:49 going, I don't know why everyone's so tired. Open up your books for Shakespeare at 15 a.m. Hey, come on. Be energized. you're fucking insane! You're nuts! No, it became quite clear that, like, hey, I'm going to be able to crush this assignment
Starting point is 03:08:06 overnight, but right now I cannot think this entire class is pointless to me. Here, I'm getting my attendance points, but what, this is completely useless, you know, but it makes you you, but yes, the feeling of like you're a responsible person that has showed up early at the crack as on. You're just so much better than other people
Starting point is 03:08:23 because you woke up early? Oh my God. So that's where that feeling comes from. shit I got to do today, and it's not even 10 p.m., it's not even 10 a.m. I got a whole day's worth of shit done. Granted, I'm going to fall asleep at 8.30 because I'm tired, because I got up at the shit-ass cracking dog. I'm getting, dude, I got up at 6.30 with the toddler the other day, and I brought him downstairs, and he said, it's dark outside.
Starting point is 03:08:51 I went, yeah, buddy. That's when you decided to get up. It's dark outside And he went Oh And I went Let's get you some milk I remember
Starting point is 03:09:09 When I would have days back in In college that were like You go into the downstairs basement room To work on your renders And you don't come out You go in while it's dark outside in the morning And you come out when it's dark outside at night And you just never see the daylight
Starting point is 03:09:25 I also had that period of my life And let me tell you that That's not good for you No, that was bad You know, I look back And I remember I remember saying at the time Fuck this, I'm an adult now It doesn't affect me for shit
Starting point is 03:09:43 And now I look back and I'm like Oh no, that was very bad for me And like now I'm at the point in my life And like you know dude That Shadow the Hedgehog meme I think it's shadow that just like don't trust anything you feel
Starting point is 03:10:01 about your life after 9 p.m. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Like seriously? Like seriously. Just don't. If there is no sun in the sky, your opinion
Starting point is 03:10:17 about your own shit means nothing. Means nothing. Wait for the sun to come out. I like I don't like the whole like I think I think I'm I I per I do my best work at night but you do I can tell you I've worked with you
Starting point is 03:10:38 you absolutely do your best work at night but I I and I don't have there's no like seasonal affectation disorder or anything like that's that's a degree of scale not a degree of existence but there is something about like coming out of the bunker classroom and the only day I see is when I'm going to buy my lunch at the calf and going back down to the bunker that fucks with your head
Starting point is 03:11:04 in a way that I still don't understand. Yeah. All right. That'll do her. I mean shit, speaking of which I'm like looking outside right now. oh you don't want to hear something funny you want to hear something really funny because me and page are transplants to british columbia right uh it rains like 200 fucking days a year and it's cloudy more days than that um so the the cloudy slash slightly rainy season has a befallen us and me and page now free from our fear of skin damage and having to wear sunglasses literally every single day are walking the baby just fucking whistling just fucking yeah oh it's cold we're everyone around us is miserable. People who have lived here their whole life
Starting point is 03:11:53 fucking miserable. I was at a restaurant and guys were just like a group of four or five guys were just like, oh, the fucking raining seasons here. This is such fucking bullshit. I can't believe it. Oh, I'm like, oh, wow, really? This weather's great. And I got the dirtiest looks I've
Starting point is 03:12:10 gotten from strangers in like my entire life. Yeah. It is interesting. I am watching as we like, we did a baby's first night drive and she's just like what the fuck is happening outside the window
Starting point is 03:12:26 oh yeah yeah yeah yeah like just are we in a portal do we do are we in hell is reality still real like she's so confused by the state of existence outside the car at night time so like she's a little young but my toddler's been in full swing for this
Starting point is 03:12:44 for like over a year and it's like it cracks me up when I actually think about what's happening they fall asleep at random places and random times, right? But like the child's life is that of never knowing where the fuck you're going to wake up at all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:12:58 Like, am I in the car? Now I'm at the beach. Am I at the beach? Now I'm at home. Is dad holding me? Where's mom? Just like, just constantly teleporting all the time. But also, what are places? These are just shapes that I
Starting point is 03:13:15 recognize or don't, you know, to begin with. So, anyway. All right. Take it easy. Have a good week, everybody.

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