Castle Super Beast - CSB380: Get Into Bowling Games feat. The Specs! @Diaphone_, @Zane_FGC, @_Zyzx_, @Frodan, @DeathyDL

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

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Yo, yo, yo. It is a special episode, y'all. We are joined by the Spex. What's good? In five. In five, baby. Hey, everybody. Pleased to meet you.

Hello. Hello. What's good? Diaphone. Can you hear us? Are you live? We're live. Nope.

You're muted. He's wave. He's waving, talking, but not. He's muted. He's deaf and he's not here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, I'm here. I'm sorry. There is.

What's good? What's good? Okay, all right. Yes, now that we're in the final position, I can attempt to put the name tags in place. Oh, oh, you're going to do this now? I will. Wait, you're not, wait, you're not diaphone? Damn, all right.

It was just, it was a little tricky based on layout before, but we're okay. What's good, everybody? We are joined by, we're joined by the, the specters. We're joined by Zane. We're joined by Diaphone. We're joined by Frodan. We're joined by Dethy. We're joined by Zizzix.

And me and Pat are here too. What's up, everybody? I'm here too, I guess. Oh, oh, no. My team didn't win. Hey, that's why you're here with puppies. They're bad. Aw.

It was, and it was a solid showing for the beginning part of that. The y'all were in second place for most of the run. For a bit. Yeah. And then it just fell the fuck apart right there at the end. Shout out to the last day. Last became second. Second became last.

So. No, that was crazy. During group stages, though. I thought your thresholds popping off. Oh, thank you.

I appreciate it. I thought that too. I should have just tried harder. Oh, well. So this is moving on for me losing onto you guys winning. Congratulations. Thank you.

Thank you. Next and five. Yeah. Thank you. Six and five. So this is going to be a complete shit show of a giant chat. But fuck it. We'll just let it roll.

The plan is to just more or less actually, not just talk about 2XCO the whole episode in case anyone is showing up and doing the like fighting game snore emote, which has become a bit of a thing with our chat. But I don't have enough hourglasses for that, bro. Yes. Okay. So there used to be a bit where we'd be like when fighting games starts,

getting discussed, Pat would bust out the hourglass, and then to counter that, I started busting out my Mortal Kombat hourglass for when he started talking about Final Fantasy 14. So, you know, the conversation is on a timer, basically,

before we got to get back to other shit. Okay, okay. But this is actually, like, not expressly a fighting game podcast. It's just it's fucking whatever. It's a... He promises, guys. It's not. It's not. It is, it is an extension of it is after it's basically doing more of the best friend cast from back in the day but it just so happens

that we we both care about them so they come up a bunch what do you want me to say in any case um it's a pleasure to guys to have you guys all here i know that the uh uh this is not obviously the weekend immediately after the slay jam slam but evo got in the way a lot of other things happened as well so it's been a little bit of time but nonetheless appreciate you all taking the time I actually wanted to as well, I guess, just get a brief introduction to you guys in general from your origin. And, you know, especially because we're coming at this, not just from a, there's the FGC side, but then we've got deadlock players. We've got TFT players in here and things like that. So I want to kind of cover all of that for anyone who's unfamiliar with you guys.

Why don't we take it away? And I guess starting with Dethy, top corner. Yeah. So you want to just the background of what I do, I guess? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Okay. So, hey, everyone, I'm Dethy. If you don't know me. I'm a educational deadlock content creator slash top player. So I played competitive for some time, but I've decided to basically mostly focus on education. I would say that, you know, if we compare to people here, my content style would not be too dissimilar to someone like Fodan or Diaphone just for

deadlock. So, you know, mostly focusing on, you know, like keeping the community updated with any news, updates, breaking down the updates, coaching people. So I've done a lot of coaching. I've coached over 500 people individually. Oh, shit. Many more in an academy. So I've coached like probably thousands of people total. And, yeah, Deadlock is Valve's game that they're working on right now. It's kind of been played this. So, you know, definitely check it out. It's very, very popular, despite not being released. So excited for the future. I, yeah, I saw that like pretty much first result with your name when when looking you up, you got, you got deathy, deadlock, tier list.

And then, and the, and the deathy tier meta as well. So, I guess that is a regular thing. Are you putting out the gospel on what the state of the game is on a regular basis? Is that coming from you? Yeah, so I have, yeah, I mean, I have a website that, you know, I keep updated kind of with a rough tier list. but as you guys know from tier lists like I kind of think that tier list or whatever

but it's one of those things where everybody always wants tier list you know what I mean but I feel like in games that are balanced and I think Deadlock is a good balanced game generally speaking it's like you can play whatever you want and you'll be fine but yeah I do I do kind of keep it updated okay yeah I just I went back after talking to you to this

like look at the Vod of when I checked it out and yeah again I looking through the cast I played seven and, you know, it was like, yeah, this seems cool. And then I went and looked and I saw that, like, that's considered someone that's pretty, pretty high up there in general. Well, right now, but like back then, not necessarily. Like, basically every patch it changes a lot, right? That's one thing that's different from, like, fighting games.

Like, you, I mean, in fighting games, as far as I understand it, it changes sometimes. But, like, in fighting games, some characters will be, like, top of S tier for, like, forever, basically. But in Deadlock, like, a character will never stay top of S tier for longer than, like, a few months. usually. Okay. Yeah. And... Oh, it's definitely not like the stranglehold like Chunley and Yun had on third strike from the beginning of time to the end of time.

Yeah. No, and the other bit too is we were going to do something fun and like because Dethy is also in Montreal was going to come over and we were going to record from the couch and we were all set up for that. And then the city decided today would be a yellow sky tornado day.

I'm sorry? Is she tornado? I didn't know tornadoes go to that high up. That's crazy. Tornado warning. I've never seen a tornado in my life. Like I, I've, I've had maybe one tornado warning in my entire life. So this is like, this is a very unusual event for Montreal.

Exactly. Hopefully there's not actually a tornado. And like, we just, but I, I message Willie. And I was like, hey, you know, I don't think I'm going to come over today. Because like, I'm just going to play it safe, you know. Yeah. More than fair. Again.

Bro, I moved at the right time. Jesus Christ. And also the sky is yellow, so whatever that means, you know. But either way, like, yeah, if anything cuts out and, like, two of us drop the fuck out of this call, you know what's up. Yep. That's going to have to rework the podcast if that happens. Jesus. Figure it out.

There he goes. Literally, into the background, roof rips off and everything. Oh, my God. Yeah, but that'd be so cool, man. Most people are, like, like, three seconds. like um yeah but no we're definitely we're gonna get you over here and you're gonna find a controller for your tastes because uh again be it be it a stick or or or leverless or whatever the hell i got i have weird mixbox hybrids i have a graveyard of arcade sticks in front of me that you

can't see over here so we'll find something for you don't you worry thank you uh yo diaphone what's good let the people know what's going on yo is good everyone hey uh i go by diaphone I play every funny game. And I try to play at a very high level. And I try to make content for it. So I have a YouTube channel where I try to help people get into fighting games and also learn to play fighting games from beginner rank to even like intermediate advance.

And I also try to compete in fighting games. And my favorite fighting games are usually the new fighting games that are coming out. So 2XEO obviously being a bit new. I play that a lot. And then we have Avatar and Tokon coming out. I'll be super invested into those. and also see my Twitch so hey everyone and thanks for having me on the podcast

and Spexin 5. Hell yeah. Spexin 5. Pleased to meet you, Diaphone. Yeah. Likewise. I feel like you definitely, I know you got to show off some of the

avatar characters as well with the character matches and everything like that. Do you have, do you, I know that you kind of played Street Fighter originally, but do you find yourself being gravitated more towards just games that are cracked and more anime and more like insane intense like hyper

hyper fighting more so yeah I think so I mean if I had the list like my favorite fighting games of all time like Ultimate Marvel would be there for example like crazier games like that like guilty gear even Granblue even Granblue is not really that crazy

of a game but I like the aesthetic a lot but Avatar especially like to me it's like every funny game has their own unique player right like even as like Street Fire 6 it kind of just scratches a different it right? Like Street Fire 6 the thing that appeals to me

is like I really feel like I'm playing the player right where in the game like 2XCOO it can kind of feel like you're just playing a one player game

sometimes where you just have to hit your combos and then hit the bullshit oki that comes after the combo where it's like Street Fire

it feels like I'm like playing my games and we're constantly interacting I kind of like all aspects but Avatar especially like I do

really like the fast pace movement and the fact that like you're constantly returned to neutral It's just like, I like refreshing takes on fighting games. I think Avatar kind of hits that.

Hell yeah. No, it's nice that it's very cool that it is like as high, I guess high APM as it is. And it's one V1 still, you know? Yeah, exactly. You don't see that that often these days at all. It's funny too because like what you're describing, like I love that. That shit is like crack. But at the same time, one of my favorite fighting games is Samurai Showdown.

Because for the exact opposite reason, because of you feel the player out. in that like it's, but it's slow, it's deliberate. And every single button you press, you got to put a ring on it. It's a commitment top to bottom. Big damage. Yeah. But, Willie, you got, you got fucking trolled by guys with disconnected controllers. I was thinking they were just being patient.

There was, like it's a bit too patient. Because they were. So because they were downbacking. If they were both standing neutral, I think we would have detected something was wrong sooner. But they were down backing. We're at Frosty Foster. stinks and there's a match in top eight we're doing commentary and like they're playing they're playing

it out laming it out and then after a certain moment we're like oh man detention this is crazy and then we wait and it's like wait i think a controller's not working what the fuck you know but it's you couldn't even tell because there were other matches in that same top eight that were like actually having these crazy stare downs you know but yes that is that is a samurai showdown problem in particular because it feels like everything is a a honda mirror match almost you know. I love it though. You gotta have room for all, like, you gotta have room for that at the same time as the insane high APM fighters too, you know? Um, well, I will say that, uh, you know, like your videos are fucking sick and I'm absolutely a regular, uh, consumer of your content. I like, uh, how you dive in. And I like the fact that again, nice and early to XCO as well, like, you pulled out the Violaou and I'm like, I'm watching this content. I want to see what you got going. You're making that team work, you know. A theme stick.

Hell yeah. Frodan, what's going on? Say what's up. Introduce yourself. What's up? My name is Frodan. I am a TFT content creator. I'm like the diaphone of TFT maybe, kind of.

No? More like the deathy of TXT. Diaphone is he the U of TFT? Or yeah, are they the U? exactly. I'm the death of fighting game, so I mean. Okay. So I'm the diaphone of the Dethy of TFT.

Defty does like a bunch of cheerless stuff and he does a lot of coverage of tournaments like he's always doing like a watch party. I'm doing something similar for TFT. I just finished the TFT World Championships, for example, this past weekend. And the week before that was regional. So it was like Evo, it was like,

St. Jam, Slam into Evo into regionals into the world. So it's been a really busy a couple weeks. I'm also about to head out to EWC, because EWC, TFT is, I have to fly out tomorrow. So it's actually a really good time. Oh shit. Okay. Good timing on the podcast.

I was like, I'm in the middle of packing. My wife's trying to pack for me. But I told her that we'll just buy clothes in Paris. So it's all good. We don't have to pack too much. Well, again, between that back-to-back busyness into the next thing, thank you for taking the time. Just hitting the pocket in between there.

Appreciate it. Not for sure. Anything for my boys, my specs. So yeah, I love fighting games. I actually play a lot of fighting games as my, it's like my second most common game genre that I play. So I've always like attended fighting games. tournaments, you know, I started off playing some really, one of my oldest fighting games that

I played growing up that I really loved was like this underground Naruto 3D fighting games. It's like Naruto Tekken. Oh. Called, uh, no, I get to, it's like it's called GNT or like, Ketka To Ninja Tyson. Yeah. Oh yeah. We played that in college. We skipped our classes to play that on game.

Yeah. Yeah, I fucking went hard showing off those games. Hell yeah. Yes, yes. Uh, so that game, I actually, if you go back on YouTube was my first ever, FG tournaments. You could actually search it like from 15 years ago. It's like me playing. Let's go. So I entered those tournaments.

I entered some smash tournaments and I always had attended Evo on the side while I was doing other stuff because people know me from like from Heartstone. They know me from Starcraft and other games that I've done over the past 10 to 15 years. But I always went to Evo and fighting game tournaments. And I actually met my wife at Evo in 2019. Oh, awesome. Fighting games is a really special place in my heart.

So even though it's not like my main squeeze. it's like my secret like second like second passion and I love playing a funny game so I was it was I always signed up for the stage jam slam I actually won a stage jam with Diaphone also where we played street fighter hell yeah in front of a Japanese crowd

that was actually one of my gaming highlights like ever like one of my favorite gaming moments like ever so yeah I love fighting games it's a really special genre to me so I'm happy to be here thanks for having super sick thank you funny thing about the the Gekto Ninja Tyson the Naruto games So part of the reason why those are so good

Is because they were made by aiding And that company went on to make Like help with Marvel 3 And with Tatsunoko versus Capcom And a bunch of other like Like solid fighters Like aiding has been in the background You know with a major fighting games as well

So like the bones are all there Sick hell yeah No I actually make so much of that I didn't know that So that's actually how I Brodan if you mind me asking In case there are people I'm going to take the bullet on this for being the out of touch old man. In case there are people in our audience, including me,

who are looking at footage of TFT on your channel and going, I don't know what that is. Team fight tactics. What is TFT? Exactly. So TFT, the best way I can describe it is if you can, I personally view it as like a tower defense meets fantasy sports. So a lot of times when you're playing like fantasy football,

football, fancy basketball, fancy baseball, whatever sport you follow. You basically like take a roster and then you let them perform and then based on their performance each week or each day or each game, you kind of make adjustments. And you combine that with like a tower defense element where like in tower defense you have like a buy round and then after the round starts, you play like balloons or plans for zombies, things like that. Units just come across your board and you have to like kill all the units and make sure you survive. Okay, okay. those elements where you're kind of managing

the buy in battle round and then you're managing like a roster and your roster is like League of Legends Champions. So you're managing a Counterstrike Team. Like in my in my heart you're the coach of a Counter Strike Team. Okay. Thank you. Except it's League of Legends champions. Got it. And it's a it's like

Battle Royale. So it's like the last player whose roster can survive. So you're always playing like an eight man bracket tournament every single time you queue up for 30 minutes and then the last person standing after 30 minutes is the winner. All right. Thank you very. much. You've helped me become less out of touch. Yeah. I mainly know it as the other game that pops up on the Friends List Riot Launcher thing that I see people playing. You know, like when it's

not to XCO, I see TFT pop up a bunch. Yeah. You got to be careful, man, because it's like, it's, it takes forever to understand TFT, but then once you learn, you get hyper addicted. So I, I would be very careful dipping your toes into it unless you're prepared for your world to be absorbed by TFT because it's got the one. more game syndrome by like, you're just going to keep you in a key. How long is your average game? What's up? How long is the average game?

30 minutes, but if you lose very quickly, not that I ever lose, but, you know, for all the other people in chat, it's like 20 minutes if you lose. Okay, no, that's totally. Yeah. Yeah, so as I have not played League of Legends. I don't have a whole lot of Mova experience.

And a lot of what I do know is I have a, this fear based on Pat over the years telling me about like when you get stuck in a game with somebody who decides to be toxic and awful or throw the match and you're stuck for 45 minutes. And I'm like, oh my God. Oh my God. Fighting games where you are the winner, you decide how you win and lose and it's over in, you know, 90 seconds or whatever. I can't believe you're locking an hour of my time away. That's insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not like League Legends at all. In fact, the reason why I think TFT took off is because it's very different. League of Legends is like team oriented. You get very frustrated. And then TFT is all about yourself. You're playing against seven other players by yourself. You blame the luck of the game. You blame your own player skill.

So it's a lot of like elements of fighting games that I think has crossover. One of my, one of my favorite things about TFT is that because it's like a game where there's a lot of probability and math and like luck and variance, people assume that it's not a lot of agency. and they think it's like the exact opposite spectrum of fighting games. Because fighting games, everyone thinks that the better player like always wins in fighting games. That's the reputation that they have, which is not always true.

I mean, look at the Evo top eight for Street Fighter. I feel like that was like kind of crazy. But it's a really funny dynamic because they're like, you play TFT and you also play fighting games. Like one's like all luck and one's all skill. But I think they're actually very closely related even though people have a different assumption of it. Yeah, not to mention that there's like, there's a million variables and things that go into the results of like a big event like that, including like the seating and just how somebody woke up that day,

you know? Like it's not a constant of the best player is always going to be the one that wins. It's that's a, I don't think anything works that way. Cool. Yo, Pat, why don't you say what's up and introduce yourself as well? Oh, hey, I'm Pat from Castle Super Beast and also the Pat Stairsad channel. I play a bunch of stuff including

like occasional fighting games A lot of MMO content lately Now that I've been adopted by a gang of V-tubers This is caboose Oh, hello caboose He's doing his best Fallen asleep And lately

What's that? Caboos thinks we're boring No, Caboos Caboos falls asleep every time I pick him up Because it's his favorite place in the world Because he's a sweet guy Oh And as for lately, Christ, I've been playing a lot of 14, but that's because I got adopted by a bunch of V-tubers.

I played PAL World this week, which is, well, have you hopped on 1.0 Powerl any of you guys? I have not. Yeah, I just kind of was messing around. I made like, I started to make a second or third base with one of the betas, but haven't really been keeping an eye with what's going on with 1.0 in that. I haven't played it in over two years, so I couldn't tell you what was new or what was different. but I can tell you that like the evil in my heart comes out the instant I start assigning like adorable animals to tasks. And like I just started to lose my temper and like scream at them for eating food that I didn't give them. Okay.

And that they're not building fast enough. Adorable animals or people because you could also capture people in poker balls. I forgot you could absorb people into polka balls. It's psychotic. Sorry. Powell balls. Sure. The standing.

Legally distinct. Yes. Okay. I can't believe you can still throw the ball and catch them after all that lawsuit shit. Yeah. So is this kind of like today's age, pick me in a way putting it. You do this. You do that.

Why are you doing this? Why are you doing that? Well, it's it's complicated because their personalities are more distinct. But also like I, you know, I'm sending some cat teave, some cat pal out to mine rock. for long enough and he got hungry and got sick and instead of doing anything about that, I just replaced him and shamed

him because he's a piece of shit. He needs to work harder. The game's trailer basically showed you making sweatshops with Pokemon in them. So they practically encourage it. It's, you know, it's unspoken, but it's overt. Do you guys think they did that

specifically because of the lawsuits? No, no, that was there. That was the first thing. Day one. Absolutely. first thing they ever showed was like a little a bunch of little cute like Pokemon looking things in like a, like a factory building like bullets for a sweatshop. Yeah, they're building like machine guns on an assembly line. So I'm like the very first farm upgrade you got is a plantation. Right. Right. Like it is extraordinarily overt in like the fantasy of just kicking a bunch of pals into the dirt. Shit is nuts. Um, we're going to come back around to, to the, the games

what's going on, just doing the little intro round. Okay. As for myself, hi, I am Woolly. Willie versus. Pleased to meet you, Willie. Hello, nice to meet you. How's it going, man? What's up? What's good? Yeah, I am, I do podcasts, I do let's plays. I am for, I used to be part of the best friends group back in the day and, oh, that was a long time ago. Who even cares about that old stupid show? I know, right? I know, but surprisingly the ones who should show up on like the on the Spotify comments or a TikTok that are like oh my god they're still alive holy shit i haven't seen them you know bro i think the worst one by far is a guy showing up to your show or you're streaming like oh man hey i remember you whatever happened to you i'm like i've been

working every day non-stop for like 15 years where you been no break at all nothing stopped it's been here the whole time um but um in the meantime though, yeah, like I've basically been doing let's plays of, you know, old classic stuff, whatever random shit, sometimes something new, but whatever strikes the fancy. And then, yeah, I'll do fighting game stuff on the weekends with the show getting to fighting games as well.

I used to do, like, I used to be like a T.O. and do, basically organize the Montreal FGC back in the days of Street Fighter 4 in the 09 days and such. And that's kind of like where my backer fighting game background was and then kind of more or less parlayed that into dick jokes on YouTube and farting around in front of a microphone and haven't looked back since so awesome uh all right yo zane what's good hello hello i am i am zane fgc uh that's kind of a couple of funny

new names over the years between the joker the cyborg and of course most recently my nickname of some reason has been diaphone and i'm sure exactly not sure exactly I know where that started, but I've been called diphone a lot of recently. It's really weird. Like you were, so before I was, before I was actually a pro bowler before, before getting into a lot of, really? Oh, shit. Let's go.

Yep. Prior to the pandemic, I was, I was getting into pro bowling, pro bowling a few tournaments, most recently before then, both the U.S. Open. That was a lot of fun. And then I got, oh. Then, of course, I got locked to, locked. in so then I was so like okay time to start taking my online classes and I'm doing nothing the rest of the day playing video games anyway so let's start streaming so that's kind of why I started

doing this got a guy into fighting games from from league with the with a little game called alternate Marvel versus Capcom 3 yeah let's go and and very quickly get very quickly get got into the whole uh well playing playing the games full of the full of the craziness and typically playing the weird, bizarre, and very underplayed characters across the games I've played between Dragon Ball Fighter, Dragon Ball Fighters, Grand Blue Rising, and I hope to be doing the same potentially with, of course, Avatar, Avatar and Marvel Tokon coming out soon. Where, at least so far, the games I've played have been a top player, and I hope to continue to do so with those. I've got YouTube channels as well. Again, continuing on with the whole, I'm also Diaphone, apparently, making guides helping people learn. learn either the game or specific characters.

And yeah, I appreciate, I appreciate you having me. And if you head over to the leaderboards of any of those games and take a look, you'll probably see Zane's name somewhere up top there. Just chill it. I am the definition of a net play warrior before I got into the whole competing thing. My first ever FGC tournaments was until 2022. So technically have only been competing for around four and a half-ish years so far. So far, my first ever offline, like most people, when they go their first offline,

it's like, I'm going to go to this local that's like five minutes from my house. No, my first offline was the U.S. regional finals in France. Okay. So that was definitely something to say that was a nice, nice, small, easy introduction to. Yeah. Into the FGC as a whole. Yeah. Okay.

So, I mean, being goaded and fighting games and all that, whatever. Yo, I have questions about bowling. Like, real talk. Because on this. Yeah, that's actually crazy. Yeah, that's super sick. Yeah. So there's a joke with my family that I don't know how to not take things seriously.

So like I play, I was second team, junior team USA volleyball. getting from we got we got for unfortunately my team got fourth at the junior Olympics in my 14th losing to freaking Hawaii that kind of that kind of stuff got on to bowling won six junior tour titles

and then then got into entering some regional and a few pro tournaments and play league I play league of legends for 11 years peaking at Grand Master at my boy Kenan into the game former number six Canon N.A so I would love to see him in the game. Wow okay

And clearly when I got into fighting games, and nothing changed from that point and just kept playing, kept getting at it pretty much. So like, okay, I remember, like, for a long time, having only bold, like, with friends randomly at the, you know, the whatever neighborhood spot type of thing. I had a, I have a very naive understanding of, like, the technical aspects of it.

And I had always just kind of thought about it as, like, it would be, like, kind of like darts or even, say, pool, where it is a trajectory calculation and your muscle memory can always deliver a consistent perfect result. But I believe, Pat, I think you were the one that explained to me that like the way that the lanes and the oiling of them are done make it so that there is a skill to detecting what's changing over time and compensating for it. Is this, is this real? Is this at all? Is this complete bullshit? That is 100% real.

So it goes a step further than that on top of that. Air conditions, like air conditions, how hot the bowling gallery is as compared to like word. So because like everything involving bowling involves, yes, involves the one, the type of lanes, although most of it is synthetic now. It used to be wood and things used to be a lot more complicated then. But not so much anymore. But it's primarily the oil.

that's on the lane. So like what you typically bowl on is what's known as a typical house shot, which basically just means that the further outside the lane you go, the less oil there is. So if you throw the ball with any kind of spin, the more outside it goes, the more it hooks. Basically it means you miss right, the ball will hook more. And then if you miss left, the less it'll hook.

So that makes things really simple. You miss left, it won't hook as much. You miss right, it'll hook more. It makes things really easy. With professional bowling, so the ratio typically for the typical house shot is one to five. So five being the most, that's basically what, how much more oil there is. The typical non-professional shot is typically like one to two and a half, one to two. And then the biggest tournament, the U.S. Open is one to one. Meaning the amount of oil from one side of the lane to the

other is completely the same. So there's a, so you have to worry, so you have to focus on that. You have to focus on the length of the pattern. Patterns range between between around 32 feet and 52 feet, which and the amount of feet between the star of the lane and the headpin is like 54 feet and the title tight lane itself is only 60. So I have to worry about that. The amount of oil. And then of course, how much oil is taken off between bowling shots? Because of course, you throw a ball down the lane,

it picks up oil. And then when you pick up oil, that certain spots get dried out. Some bowling balls pick up more oil than others. Holy shit. The oil more. So it's like, so like one thing that's really popular right now in professional bowling is urethane and those are really good at pushing the oil so that means that like let's say on a 32 foot pattern if everyone's playing the same part of the lane that part of the lane there's certain parts that might end up having like 36 38 feet okay while the parts to the left and right of it are still the same okay so you have to also focus on

who is playing what and then you're also taking account is how much spin the person has because rib rates can also affect how much the ball changes and then that's not even getting to the whole oh yeah This bowling ball is made to not hook. This one's made to hook a little bit. This one's made to hook really early. This one's made to hook. Guys, learning frame data is easy.

Like, oh, yeah, frame data is much as much easier, it's easy. Holy shit. Frame data is much, as much easier compared to bowling ball and because of it.

I didn't know what that involved. That's incredible. Yeah. Yeah, the benefit of fighting games is like if every, like let's just take two examples. to our scale, for example, everyone's jab is like either six or seven frames, right?

Sure. But if you take, but if you take a bullet, like entry, like a mid-level bowling ball from every single company, this one might have a solid, a solid reactive,

this one might be a hybrid, this one might be a pearl. There might be an asymmetrical core. There might be a symmetrical core. Can you? And that's just all mid-level stuff, let alone, let alone high-end stuff. So there are different blowing balls

for different lane types, different amounts of oil, that's et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Can you walk up to like a lane and just kind of go and call secure and call the manager over to be like, hey, yo, this shit is trash. What are you doing? No, no, but you can definitely tell if the lane has not been been oiled anytime soon when you throw the ball

and you throw the ball to the right and then two feet later, it's in the left gutter. Okay, okay. I have had that happen. I'm like, okay, this lane has not seen. oil in a long time. Okay. I promise you I will have more bowling questions

later. This is super interesting. By all means. All right. Hey yo, Gary. What's good, nigga? Hello. I'm over thinking about like bowling balls and shit, dude. I'm like, is there

is there a cheer list of like between the weighted balls? Like, oh man. I'll have some questions later too. Who's the aure of bowling bowls? are you bowling balls and most of the r a bowlers more so than more so than bowling balls

right the guy who says a lot of people have their a lot of people have their preference on what on what on which company bull and balls they prefer the guy who says who do you think you are I am I'm gonna assume

I quote that he went all the time fucking go to you yeah so he uses storm bowling balls that was from the 20 I think 14 U.S. Open

I didn't get a chance to watch that in person, but that's, I did, in person though, and the video is still on YouTube, you can watch that same person glare at me on TV. Wow. Wow. Oh, really? I was 16 years old at the time.

Yo, Diaphone coming into the chat with the bowling ball tier lists as well. Oh my God. I'm watching that later. Yeah, yeah. And the dude on the thumbnail is like clasping his hands together. Like, getting rid of. in the rank. There's 40,000 views. There's 40,000 people that are looking which bowling balls to get.

Holy shit. Damn. Okay. Everyone loves tierless. It doesn't matter if you're a game, if you're a gamer or if you're a bowl or if you're a bowler. I'm sure I'm sure somewhere someone's got. Oh yeah. These are the best basketballs where you can buy. For sure.

Everyone loves tierless no matter what. That's just how it. If the tier list internet had existed 30 years ago, I would have seen my dad deep diving for weeks and weeks about what fucking driver to get that would help his golf game. And like your dad, you're not a good golfer. The driver's not going to help you. But like, but no, Pat, look, I got the really big driver with the big head. It's going to, oh, I'm going to get like 300 yards.

Yeah. But now just based on that thumbnail, I want to make like a kite tier list with me just like this, ranking kites and telling everybody about the different kinds and when. Okay, but Wally, how would you rank a kite? Like, because, like, is whimsy the most important part of the kite? Wimsy is the most important part. Yeah, that's my thought. How good is it at frolicing?

Can you, you know? Do you feel a joy in your heart to what it soars? That's S-tier, all right? We'll get to the technicals later. Okay, yo, Gary, Zizix, like, what is up? What up? The intro, please. My name is Zy-Y-Zex underscore, aka Zizes.

Hey, Zizzix. I've been called Zizks. I mean, Zizes. I call it Ziz. I call it. There's a lot of ways I've been called, but you can just call me Gary. I've been streaming for about, I think,

about 20 years, actually. I started on Justin TV. Wendy! Yes. Yeah, I was on ground for Justin TV before people were getting paid to play video games. Let's go!

Where people were streaming, like, MXC, like they were streaming just whole ass TV shows. Like, yeah, I started way back when, just kept doing it as a hobby and then kind of led into me going to fighting game stuff. I started smash for fighting games first. My first real far away into pro games were cod. Actually, I was a codhead.

I did game battles for what at war. I think her team was top, like 50, I think, or some like that. We were going to go pro, but my team lead was like, I'm too high. I can't go. to the meat, so we just did. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, dude.

I was like, I was like 14 and 15 at the time. So I was like, all right, well, I mean, that guy was kind of my ticket, so I guess we're not going. Then after that, I got into Marvel 2. I was like, ooh, this game's kind of cool. It's kind of neat. Okay, okay. Like, I liked this a lot.

I sucked, but I liked it a lot. Arcades? Um, jump. Uh, no. Uh, the, the, the, the, What was it the bar? Backbone? It was the 360 version.

Okay. The Marvel 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. Yeah, so, I started going to arcades until like, I don't know, until it was like 24, I think. 32 now. But did that, I played Marvel 2 online for a while, played Thurstrike. That's when I really got serious about it.

My friend Gog was Be Best Alex on PS3, just period, just straight out. so like having to beat him like I really understood like frame data frame traps like all that you know all the normal fgc lingo stuff that's where I really started and then I played a little game called alternate Marr versus Catcom 3 and that's where like the content side like really started like started doing commentary um my friend uh lythero through maris catcom 3 that little story went as at the time my friend Iron Justice um He was looking for a team. He was like, I want to play Phoenix Wright, but his character is fucking ass. What do I do? I'm like, okay, let me look at the character select real quick. Okay, we're going to pick Phoenix Wright. All right, obviously, because he want to play the character.

Let's see, we need like a get off me assist. We don't want to use a DP. We want something, like, weird. Let's pick Cap, Charging Star. Apparently just autocorrects if you cross it up. So he'll chase you down. Like, you know, like, it's a good, like, tech chase assist. And then Dr. Strange.

because of the orb. So basically we get Maya extra 200K house so it's really, really cheap. So trained him a while, made a whole team, beat Lee when he showed up or Lee or Light Thoreau.

He's like, how do you know how to fight against Phoenix Wright because I was this whole gimmick at the time. I was like, I specifically made a team to beat Phoenix Wright. He's like, oh, okay, well fuck. And then from that point on, a bunch of content stuff,

me and Lee started doing, immediately and Harvey started doing shenanigans. And, well, here I am right now Willie I need to ask you something Yes sir Do you remember

A couple I think it was around 20 I'll say 2016, 2017 Evo Do you remember In maybe 2018 I don't exactly remember

The time Do you remember a black person Walking up to you And be like Hey Willie I'm a big fan You my nigger bro Doesn't want to let you

know that. Do you remember this? That has happened multiple times, so I'm not 100 on that specific. That's fair. Yeah. That's fair. The one time I walked up to, you look kind of mad. I don't know if you just lost a match. You're retired.

Oh, no, he looks like that when people come up to him. That's just the way you look. So if you that's, go ahead. Uh-huh. Oh, so at the time, I was like, oh, it was a big fan of the super best friends at the time. Oh, hell. Thank you.

A matter of fact, all three of you were the reason why it even started like content in general. Yo, get the fuck out. Seriously? Dead ass. I'm not even joking. Did this not come up during the slam? I specifically did not bring it up.

I specifically didn't break it up. What? Do we fair? I said the same thing to a size six at evil. I was like, I was like a big fan of you, but I've been watching you since long before it started competing. Was not going to say that during the slam, though. Same energy. Same energy.

Literally, literally same energy. Yeah, all right, cool. No, and I'm not bringing up the fact that, like, again, I have multiple diaphone tutorials downloaded in my fucking YouTube history. Like, it's like, I'm not bringing that up. It's fine. Don't worry about it. That's pretty sick. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah. So the whole reason, like, you know, like, all you guys. like watch you when I was like when I was a kid. Uh-huh. Like I have to say like 17. Yeah, I don't like hearing it either. Okay. I've heard it moving before.

Like, I've been watching six dollars in high school or high school, high school. And it just like reverbs in my head. I'm like, I'm getting fucking old. I'm going to turn to dust and like hopefully 50 to 60 years from now. All right. So it was a lock from the jump then, straight up. Yeah, yeah. I mean, chances are if you ran into me at Evo and said,

what's up. Yeah, you could have definitely caught me walking out of a pools that I didn't, that I drowned in. You know what I mean? There's been definitely moments of people coming to say what's up. And I'm like, oh, God damn it. Just let me hate myself for a couple more minutes. But what's up? Hey, how's it going? And you might see me just like, I'm smiling and I'll take the picture, but I'm just in my brain thinking about it. Not in his eyes. His eyes are off in the distance. Why did I go for the tech? I got on the plane. I flew all the way from Canada to Vegas. And I went, I tried to protect the throw and I got my ship blowed up and now I got to get back on the plane. Why?

You know? So, I could tell at the time, but I was like clearly something's off and it's okay. I'm all right with it. Like, like, but I was like, oh, I gotta tell him. I was like, I got to bring it up. Like not, I'm not doing it during the fucking, uh, say Jamslam. I'm not doing that, but definitely during the podcast. I'm like, yeah, this will be. That was smart. That would put a lot of pressure. It's like, Willie, you're his hero. You got a, you got, you can't let him down. Didn't say that. Didn't say that, bro.

Either way. Either way. As Isaacs, the hard dress is just said, and it was at that moment Isaacs decided he'd make it his life's goal to carry you in a video game and lighten. Yes.

Scary. You did such a great job. Yeah. Really feel like a big man. I mean, I mean, like, to be perfectly honest, like, you guys fucking did ridiculously insane.

I played out of your minds the whole way through. We've been over this. We've, you know, we've covered it. But like, it was insane. saying how much you guys went in.

And like, even with Deathy, just talking about, like, the amount of matches you had in the first 10 days of ever playing the game, that's so nuts. That does not happen, you know? I have to say, I was in this strange. Was that sorry? I said, I definitely went grind mode. Mm-hmm.

I was in this strange position where I saw Woolley and you guys were all so strong. You were all crazy, crazy, scary strong. But I know Willie the best and I'm like Well he's actually better than what he's doing right now. So even if I lose and you guys all win, I get to hold over Willie. You know, your team is so good.

But then you got way better on the last day. No, he locked in. No, no, and I couldn't hold that over with you. It was bullshit. Oh,

well, no. That being, that being said, I mean, I do know that having played like a billion years with you and stuff, dude, like all the fundamentals of,

the shit that you've got in there, especially now that you're willing to lab, now that you're willing to jump in, you know, when you've got people to not disappoint, um, that's a good as reason as any, right? It's like, it's the, are you talking to me? Yeah, yeah, I'm saying, no, I'm not fucking willing to laugh. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, right? You know, when you're like, I've got someone to protect now, right? I feel like, when the, the protagonist says that shit, you're like, okay, I have a team that I want to, I want to, not, like, uh, I want to support and I don't want to disappoint. So let's, let's go. So let's. go in and start checking out some combos in the lab.

But I'm like, yes, that's a good reason to do so. You know, anyway. That wasn't the reason. Oh. The reason is that there was cash on the line, man. Money. Money. You're fucking crazy.

Yeah, but yeah, but Pablo, and Pablo's like, our team did not sweep all the, all the extra, extra, extra things. So we're not getting as much. We got to win this. because we need our money. For dollars on the table, yeah,

practice. Fuck that. Real shit. Real shit. Fair. And then there's, then there's Dethy who in 10 days

has probably played more games at 2XCO than some people have who've been playing since the game launched. Yeah, that was crazy. And just,

yo, Froda and your Seta like doing shit with the brand new character. Everyone went the Threshway and then you went with Sennah and were absolutely fucking mopping up.

It was incredible. Oh, thanks. It was funny because I didn't think I was going to play Senup because when I first, I actually played in a previous slam and I played Warwick.

So, but the thing is, yeah, yeah, I was a board as well. It did not go well, though. Last time, we were dead last in the group stages. I mean, I think Diaphone playing that slam too. And I was on team Void with

DeBuzz, Void, um, Raidts, and Bogor. And I think we won three matches the entirety of group stage we went like three and like what however many games they were there's like 45 games something like that

we were so we were so bad so we were like dead dead last and the main reason why and I can talk about it too the last slam was the Timo launch patch and it was absolutely miserable Timo was the most broken character in the game by far and every team

had Timo some teams even had multiple Timos and they had to take turns swapping off like oh in this That was my team. Yeah, yeah. Me and Shumi both played Timo, so we had to pick who was going to be Timo and whatever match we were going to play.

It was so bad. It was so bad. And then every match was just hot stuff, hot stuff, right? Like there's five slingshots and camping and every match timed out. It was so miserable. It was awesome.

It was incredible. It was fantastic. Warwick struggles against team, unless you're Gary, Warwick struggles against Timo, like good Timos. And I was new, right?

I was like, I had, I didn't even play my single placement match. prior to signing up with the slam. And they put me in C2 and I was going against Timos and I was getting completely smashed. So I said this event, no matter what,

I have to play a character that's good against Timo. And I really liked, I really like Thresh, but too many people were playing Thresh. And I played some Sena. And it was not looking good at first. I think my matches with Dethy were going pretty bad. But Diaphone said,

don't worry, no matter what you do, you have to lock in. And I said, you know what? I think Senna's a really sick character. and also I think Raytheform is just super nasty. So I said, you know, I'm going to lock in Senna and really put in the work. And I'm glad that my coached Diaphone believed in me.

And also, Zane helped lab out all the tech because he actually spent an afternoon with Senna. So from there, the rest was history. Hell yeah. All I do is tell you to spam back assist twice and S1 with Rayform. I got to work. Yeah. Hell yeah. So I guess just like moving on from that luck.

How was, uh, how was your? Evo for those of you who went, that got to make it out. How'd that go? Let's start with a different thing. Who went to Evo? I mean, I think me, Zane and Zizix, because I actually saw Zizek's at Evo

and I'm like, oh shit, what's up? And we talked is cool seeing each other IRL and I was like, we got to get Ebo photo. And then Zane was walking around, but Zane was busy. We never got to have everyone together. Yeah, no, no. Like, I was hanging at Resort World every like, day after Evo.

Like so, I was like, if they show up, it's, it's drinking picture time. But I was there. I got, I got a little. Thanks to the invite, by the way. Okay. Okay. I just assumed. I just assumed everyone knew Resort World was like the spot because like every time I showed up,

it was just like hell of niggins just like lined up for drinks. Like we're paying for like $25 drinks like and shit. Like that's, let me're real. That's where you find Japanese players. just like fucking down in, down in bottles as well. It was true. No, it was true. Like, people were sitting down, like, paying for old bottles.

Like, look, next year, like, what if we don't go to a resort world? We just go to a normal bar, pay for, like, $6 drinks, $5 drinks. So, like, you know, if, you know, all of spectres are there, I'm just saying, that'd be kind of chill. Like, or just show up in Vegas in general. Like, Vegas. Yeah, well, you're in Vegas in general. Exactly. Like, yeah.

Yeah, I'm literally right here. Right there. Yeah, I'm a Vegas boy. So like just any time of the year besides summer, because summer is ass. Any other seasons fantastic in Vegas, like you should roll up for sure. Okay. Yeah, I got to, yeah. Yeah, I got to meet Zylax and our justice.

So they watched some of my games when I was playing on stream. And then Diaphone was sitting on the couch up on the last day. And as chat told me to sit down the front row and stare at the camera. So I sat down in front of this kind of in front row and stare at the camera until K-7. pointed out where Tyvone's like, Zane, what's Zane? Look at the Zane in the camera. Oh.

I think I just Kare Daimbo in his own stream. Yeah. But no, overall, I think the fact that they went right into revealing Lux and Samira, that's pretty sick for

Thresh and Senna just dropping. Like, it feels like the momentum of like, okay, we're filling out this roster. We want to hit you know, 20 characters or so as soon as possible that, like, I was not expecting the next two, like, right away. That was pretty smart. They're farther away, though, right?

Like, one of them is, like, full trailer in fall, which means it's definitely much further away. Yeah. We kind of figure as much, though, because I think about it, like, Sunna and Thresh at this point have been out for, what, five weeks, something like that. And we're talking about there's two more characters left for, left for this year. when of course they were built them both with Lux and Samira. So we think about there's another five months or so left of the year.

So I'm assuming that we're probably going to get, my guess is we're going to get Lux probably end of August to around earliest September. And then Samira's probably going to be late November to early December, would be my rough guess at least. Of course, knowing Riot Lux is going to come out the week before Evo France or something like that. That just seems like what they keep doing. They seem to love releasing giant patches.

or new characters right before their major events. I see. Well, it is exciting. Yeah. Not for the players. Everyone else. Yeah, but there are only so many players compared to how many viewers, right? I'm,

yeah, I saw, I saw, like, his tweet by Leffin, like, right beforehand, and he was kind of, like,

very unhappy about... Mm, Leffin was unhappy. Yeah, right? Wow. It's quite out of character. Quite out of character, but...

I was going to say, if you don't know, then, his default emotion is unhaven. is unhappy, so, you know. But I was, like, surprised because I feel like a lot of, like, I guess I was surprised because I thought people would be really excited, but it turns out, like, I'm not sure, is the sentiment amongst pros, like, they don't want that kind of stuff before tournaments?

Like, they don't, they're not happy that thrush and send it dropped. So we're okay. So I think for them, I can't speak for every top player, of course, I can only speak for, speak for myself. But for the most part, we're okay with, like, new characters coming out. But the fact that a new character comes out a week and a half, two weeks, before a big tournament. And normally these characters come with balance changes.

So put the two on top of each other. We might potentially have to either, oh crap, my character just got, just got hella nerfed. And I have to learn a new character or a new team in two weeks. Oh, at the same time, oh, if Senna and Thresh, if either of them end up being good, if someone picks them up, I have to learn how to fight

what they do and fight against them in two weeks. And depending on how far you're flying, you might have even less time than that because you might be flying a week before to get used to the massive time zone change. I think I remember that Leffen traveled to a ride office

to try out some new characters but the flight time was so long that by the time he got home the characters were out. Man. Like he didn't gain anything by going all the way out there. There was a whole thing. That's a whole thing for a while. I'm not sure

of you guys, not sure how many you guys saw the whole band the testers thing that went around for a little while. Basically, a bunch of two SKO pros, I wish I was one of them. Got invited out to write HQ, try some of the new stuff,

as well as they got a teaser of what the nerves and bust were going to be for the upcoming patch. So there was a massive thing going around ban the testers. They have an unfair advantage. They're trying to dieful and so it's all for ban.

They get to be on the face of the year. They get two. They get too much advantage. Super, Super new knew that the nerves were coming. That's why he changed. That's why he changed teams. They got to see Kaelin early, so they got to know.

So they knew exactly what was going on. They should not be allowed to play. So the, and left end's counterpoint was that, was that, yes, they got to do that. But if you count in the fact that some of them were flying out, some of them were flying out days before it actually happened. and then they only got to spend like a couple hours or however much time or an hour or however much time it was on the new stuff

that of anything they technically got negative time because of the fact that they got to see all the new stuff early but they lost out a lot of practice they didn't really get to learn anything anything crazy and the only advantage that I ever really saw pretty much was the fact that Supernoon changed teams

like two weeks and advanced because of it I was like the only thing I'd saw from it I feel like, you know, I definitely understand the, like, having, the lack of prep time sucks and that feeling being a negative, you know, going into like a big event and stuff. But there's definitely that part of me that's like, man, like, as insane as team fight was, it does suck that it just goes to stop. It just stops existing immediately. And it's, that's the kind of thing where I'm looking at it.

Like, there's got, like, I wish that it didn't get, like, nerfed into oblivion personally. Yeah, I'm someone who's like, I wish that there was a thing here to make it be, you know, still part of the equation and something interesting. thing an new to the game, but just not like it's in, it's too much, and now it's just gone and it's not talked about. Well, you know? Let's see them finally Nerf freestyle from the absolute

unmitigated best style in the game before like we bluff up some of the other ones because like if they all get toned down to some point of reasonableness then okay fine. But it like it's, I was playing double down and I was playing two ex assist because

I don't have the brain for freestyle. And then I switched to freestyle. Even though I don't fully understand freestyle, it's better. I was better with it right away. It was like kind of frustrating. I actually don't like it in its core concept. Well,

you force the opponent, your opponent to react to more things and to like, you have to mean. Yeah, but I have to think of more things. I don't want to do that. I want to brain dead my way through the fucking match. Yeah,

if you want, if you want to think about this way, like, what's the most broken thing in 2SKO? Active tag. What does freestyle let you do? Active attack twice. It's like, it's just a given that doing so is just going to make it be the best option.

Because the other thing I was, I'm curious about to see is just like, okay, so are we going to get this type of like the Thresh Power Drop where you're like, okay, this character comes in and just dominates. Is there going to be something like that where is Lux going to come in and dominate and then Samira as well? Like merely the fact seeing that tweet where I forgot who wrote it, but it was just like, Marlon Pye, tell me that you're designing Samira and my life is. yours, you know? And Marlon Pines like, uh, you know, I'm a big fan of the new character being really good. I remember when Street Fighter 5

Alex came out and he was fine and I was like, oh man, come on. No, no, dude, young in fucking arcade edition, man, going on. No, I said, I said good. I didn't say like that. Just. And then they buffed them.

Yeah. He needed it. Gary. He had it. He needed it. He had trouble getting in on the opponent. Yeah. So they buffed them. So, I mean, just anyway, this was a, for anyone who does a know, just like, contextually, they added a Yun to Street Fighter 4.

And it's a character that had everything that all the best characters in the game had. And I think the best encapsulation in, like, a fighting game context of, like, a term that's been used recently is car crash neutral. This character has a giant car crash neutral. Yeah. I never heard of that. Wait, I never heard of that. It was part of the discourse online.

And Yun had a move where he lunges across the screen. It was an X lunch punch. So you spent meter. And it was not only safe. He was plus. It was his advantage if you blocked it. And if he landed it, he could go straight into his ultra. So there was just no downside to just throwing it out.

And it's an unreactable, like, speed that it flies at you at. And you're like, well, why are we? been playing the game at this point. What are we doing here? You know? Well, you're playing the games so that the young player can have a great day. Well, yes.

And they also, and again, and that was the, I feel like that might have been the moment where Capcom was kind of like, uh, if you sell them the thing that they win with, they will buy the winning character. Like, this is like, you know, a Yu-Gi-o or Magic the Gathering style philosophy to it, you know? Um, anyway, I'm, I'm, the fact that Samira is going to be a. like Dante style character in the game is already like super sick and cool. I'm just wondering if it's going to be a massive, every time a new character gets added,

they get added to the top of the stack is what I'm wondering we're going to be seeing here. I'm so fucking scared. I'm so scared. Death they can probably say when it comes to deadlock with what the, what their new characters are, but at least so far with, but like finding games there definitely is that. More people know more people tend to focus.

on that than the other way around, of course, because no one pays, no one, no one remembers the characters that arrived into the game and did absolutely nothing, but everyone always remembers the characters that came to the game and destroyed everyone. Dragon Bowl fighters, Gtogh, Gtogu, and Labcoe 21, for example,

Tekken, Tekon, it was Lear. Second, it was Leroy. Luke and Street Fighter 5. Everyone always remembers those characters, but if we remember, if we remember in 2S. Chaos so far, Caitlin came out and she was terrible. Senna came out right now

and unless you're Frodan and most people all say that she's pretty bad that she's that she's running the worst in the game right now. You're picking Sennah and no one else having picked Sena made you a lot scarier than I think you would have another way. Because you were like I'd be doing my you know the matches through and it's like oh fuck the only it's the only set I've played in a week is the one I have to beat. I don't know what the fuck any of this does.

Um, deathy. Yeah, so basically, all is game. Sorry, run the, broke, sorry,

I'm not real work, sorry. It was just the, basically, it was going to, is that Lux and Samir could come out and they could end up being completely busted. I think Samir has probably got a high likelihood of that, because of the fact that so many people are hyped for it. They're probably going to make sure that she's good,

because if she's bad, people are going to get pissed off. But you never, you never really know because the character could come out and be Sena or the character could come out and be Thresh. And we're literally seeing that right now because they came out the same time. and they're so different. Yeah, a new character that's half cooked does feel bad.

I'm curious in Deadlock, does it do new releases tend to come out and just head straight to the top? I mean, it's not just really a Deadlock thing, it's more of a Mova thing. I'm actually kind of surprised that you guys are saying that in fighting games, like there's plenty of times where new characters aren't really that good. Because in MoBas, new characters tend to be like OP. Like almost always a new character releases,

and they're usually just like completely broken. There are exceptions to this, but it also just makes sense from a... So obviously with MoBas, patches tend to be more frequent than fighting games. So, like, if a character is completely broken, like, Deadlock is in development right now. And so they've been releasing, they've released the last two batches. They've been six characters at once dropping. So just think about that, right? Like, the game has 38 heroes now, but, like, you know, six months ago, the game had 32 heroes.

So you go from 32 to 38, you're adding essentially, like, 20% more heroes in one pass. obviously it's going to be a complete, you know, shit show. But also like when you're adding a new character to a game, you want people to play the character. And when the character is new in any type of game, whether it's fighting games, whether it's mobas, whether it's shooters, whatever it is, people are going to be bad at the character if it's new, right? And so the character being kind of like on the stronger side is usually a safe bet from a developer perspective because like, okay, people are not going to be very good at him. You want people to play the new character so that you can see kind of how it fits in the game. But obviously, for that to work, you have to be willing to balance the character quickly if it's too strong. Which mobos usually do, like, for example, Deadlock will release a character, and the day later, they'll already nerve them, like, within a day. Yeah, so that's the thing is...

With fighting games, like, I guess, like, too many patches too quickly, without letting it things settle, tend to illicit, like, a negative response from most of the players, you know? Like, people do want to have that time for the dust to settle, because we're also talking about coming from arcades where

a release would drop and then like in some cases they'd update it in a you know a year's time or two but in other cases it would just sit there for a decade and you're like that's the version that's the game ST is ST you know yeah I have a couple thoughts on this by the way I think there's two big differences one deadlock's not for console right no no yes so I'm I understand is like getting pushing patches to console take some time so it's really hard to do like those really quick adjustments you'd see in like PC only games And also, fighting game characters are way hard to solve. It actually blows my mind that you say you can patch the character a day after they come out because they're really Ope. Because in fighting games, you can have the most broke character. Like Mai, for example, on Street Fire 6, you guys all know Ma's like ridiculous. She still is ridiculous even though she's got nerfed. When that character first came out, a lot of people thought she was bad.

And it took like actually like a good amount of time, maybe like a month before people started to realize like, okay, this character is like actually really good. good. So I think it's like a combination of just patches take longer because they're cross-system and then it's hard to solve a fighting game character for whatever reason. Would fighting games be certain characters that are there are hard to solve. Sorry about that Pat

but like there's been a history of like certain characters that like for example, they're opi when they're released but when they're released people think they're bad in mobas as well like in deadlock an example for those of you that know that lock would be Dorman or Dorman on release he was like really kind of Opie but people didn't even like consider all the things that you could do because he's a very high-scale cap character uh whereas like a very like easy character um you know like if you release a very easy

character that's very strong then those are usually the ones that get nerfed right away but i think that some of that happens and like you're right that in fighting games i mean one of the examples from non-fighting games is like counterstrike right for those of you that know the counterstrike scene there was um what was that gun called was it the aug or something like there was a gun that was like basically broken for like eight years plus and then eventually people are like wait like and it was kind of like nobody bought this gun and eventually people started buying it

it's like oh wait this is actually OP so sometimes things take years but also sometimes it takes one day you're gonna say Pat would fighting games be better served by allowing your opponent to ban a character of their choice oh like smash banning stages no like MOPAS like no I don't want to deal with character bands

I thought Twixtuil was gonna do that It's like, okay, League of Legend, like, right? And then you go from, you know, Mova to fighting game. I was like, bro, I want to fight thrush. Ban that motherfucker, bro. Get them out of here. Like, as somebody who, like, I take one character. I stay as a specialist on that and I just maimed them the whole time through.

That would be a nightmare. I would hate that. I play characters because I really enjoy them. And, like, taking away that fun in this type of genre, at least, that would drive me crazy. I'd fucking hate it so much. And then just saying, as someone who plays. league for 11 years, I could learn how, I could learn how to play 10 champions before I completely master one champion in 2SKO.

So it's not like, oh yeah, oh yeah, this champion is really easy, really easy to just go ahead and pick up this third, pick up this third champion, learn all the synergies with either of the other champions you're already playing, but get ready with the fuse, with the tags, with the mix of, do all that because any of them could get banned. and then the person has to do that as well and then yeah it's just going to get it's just not as easy

to pick up with fighting games compared to something something like a MoBA where you only have like four moves and something like auto attacks Froda and how's your experience been with TFT and like this type and this type of thing introducing new characters and where they land and it's like how strong they are on release

yeah TFT is kind of crazy because it's a new every few months they do a new set and it would be the equivalent of like let's say 2XCO or Tocon or whatever

bring back maybe two or three of the same fighting game characters but then they bring back an entire new roster and they have different abilities and different things TFT reinvent itself every three to four months the game's really cool the game's fundamental shared rules

the game's core mechanics stay the same but like but like so imagine two SKO is like imagine the 10 original characters. Imagine basically those characters all poof and 10 new ones take their place. Gotcha. Okay. Huh. Okay. Huh. And you were saying... Yeah, so

it's like learning a new game every single four months. It's what makes it really... And then they also bounce patch every two weeks. Like one thing that's really interesting about the culture around fighting games. Holy shit. Very often. And if they do bounce patch, it's like one of those things where

they... Like, they complain about it a lot because it changes too much. So it's really fascinating that like the culture around fighting games and but Riot wants to balance pack pretty often but then instead of figuring out how to beat a

character or a matchup they like complain about it and they want a balance patch. So versus like in the past other I'm used to fighting games that just don't patch forever. Like I look at just treat com and street fighter they like it's like the same patch for like how long now is Iephone? How long has Street Fighter been the same meta? Oh God

too long. Too long. I mean, it's basically, it's very similar even as just season one, like, if you just think about all the changes, like, compared to other games like 2XCO that have nerfed like Echo and Yaso like 10 times, like, like, even like JPs barely change. Like, it's like the equivalent of like one two XCO patch.

I wouldn't be surprised. Sorry, good. Okay. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'll say it's a completely different experience. But that's why I appreciate fighting games because I feel like sometimes I can learn a character pick it.

And then I put it down for like, a few months and come back and it feels like I still got some of that Muslim memory. Just need to do a couple of warm-up laps. But like you talk- Yeah, like I've been playing grapplers since 1991. So at the end of the day, at the end of the day, like I'm going to get

close. I'm going to do the fucking command grab and fucking whatever. And then you're going to touch your nose when you land it. Yeah. I would stop, stop pointing that out please. I wish I was like that. I wish I was like I'm the I played the big grappler character. So when this new game comes out, I just look for the big

grappler player and that's who I play. I wish I just turn your brain right. I'm going to fuck off. I wish I had that. I mean, so yeah, like Frodoin, when you mention like every two weeks as like being the norm there or like yeah, Diaphone, your example of like it literally being something that gets patched the next day,

depending on the genre, I guess the player expectation for how often a game is going to get touched is like you can directly kind of calculate how upset they'll be and the frequency. And I imagine that Riot is probably going, okay, we know that the FGC is used to this type of frequency, but they're used to a more frequent one. They're used to, um, riot is used to updating things more often. I would imagine in this case, they're kind of going, if the anger outweighs the, you know, the, um, the benefits of letting it rock, then we'll just

snuff it out faster. So team fight as an example, that was a very fast, just kill it. It's done because people were super upset across the board and it was a very, very vocal thing. compared to like, um, some of the other like issues that people complain about where it's like, people are mad, but they're not like, I'm boycotting the game until this gets fixed mad,

you know? Yeah. I also think that like to SK was like really in a unique position, um, because they are a fighting game and fighting games are pretty niche. And they had laid off a bunch of staff, right, um,

at the launch of the game. And that kind of created a lot of lack of confidence from like the outsider's perspective. For sure. But Riot also has like this giant ego. I'm a riot game. I'm a full-time riot games prisoner. That's like the joke amongst my, my stream, that I play all the riot games.

But it's interesting with like 2XK in particular because they're so used to like commercial-wide success at like an industry wide level that I wonder like if they even can nerve Ari. Because Ari is like clearly one of the big gooner baits. Like they're selling full party skins. And then they're like, oh my God, it's not doing great. Let's sell a second Ari skin. That's a third RRI skin. And they're like, you know, fuck it. Let's just put Caitlin half naked as well

and do a second variation for her. And so it's like, you know, can they even nerf these characters, man? Because it's bad for business. Yeah, I mean, they can only nerve that character once they put a larger target for gooning. Lux is coming. It's all right. Lux is coming. She'll sell the skin so Ari can be nerds.

God. Yeah. No, it's, it is absolutely tied to it. Like the cosmetic sellers and all that super matter, especially when you're a free-to-play business model. Like, there's no question here. And this is the, it's not the first free-to-play fighting game,

but it's the first, like, I feel like sort of serious attempt in a way. I'd say that it's the first one that actually matters. Because, you know, before this, you have like tech and revolution, which, okay, sure. Multi-versus, okay, sure. And, you know,

and there was killer instinct. And KI had, there was a paid mode, but it had a free, mode and Grand Blue also has a free mode and a paid mode, you know? So they didn't have to rely on the free to play economy as much. It was a secondary feature of their game, whereas 2X is like, this is the only thing, you know? Yeah. Okay. Cool. All right, all right. Interesting. Yeah, personally for me, I'm, I, I, coming from the, again, that arcade era of just like,

yeah, look, Chun Lee is never going to get touched in third strike. So just fucking deal with it. Like, this is your life. Accept it. If you want to continue playing this game, learn to realize that, you know, you're going to get Crouching Medium kicked into fucking, your ass getting blown up. It is what it is. But I would not mind, like, the patch that comes alongside the new character

for me feels like a decent frequency. I don't know that I personally like it being touched like every month or so. I know that, like, again, I'm not too sure about like with Mortal Kombat, but like the few people I knew that were kind of into that were kind of describing how most of the top players of MK were just like super mad that it was being, the game would never settle.

They'd never let it sit. They'd go, they'd go a couple weeks and they'd touch it again. And again, in a fighting game's case, it takes a lot longer to crack open, you know, and solve these characters.

So I'm going to take a slightly different like, path on this. Personally, like I am, I am not a pro, right, fighting game player. I am a,

a casual fighting game player who is okay sometimes, right? So bear that in mind with this opinion. But like I, like my primary baby is like FF14. And there's nothing more frustrating than when the expansion comes out and they've reworked your job to be shit or something that you really don't enjoy. And it's a patch that you're like unhappy with. And you get to the interview portion of whenever the next time they run into the devs. And you're like, hey, are you going to fix this?

And they're like maybe in like two and a half years. Years. And you're like, what the fuck, man? Yeah, years. They're like, well, we don't have the resources allocated for a full rework of that job within the current timeline of the expansion. So maybe. And then if you can play it hard enough, you'll get like emergency buffs.

Yeah. But that's all metric space. That's all like, oh, people have dropped these classes. People don't play them anymore. And it's like, fuck. That's a PVE. That's a PVE experience. That shit's crazy.

There's no reason for that, right? It's not competitive. It's a PVEE cooperative experience. So it, and you're having to deal with the social ramifications of being that job that maybe you don't like to play anymore. But oh, it's the one you have leveled and geared and it's a whole different society.

Right. But like, I, like I would rather have too many changes than not enough changes. Right? Because like, sitting around knowing like, oh,

there's going to be a street fighter balance patch. I hope they changed the thing. Oh, JP, fucking whatever. I don't even care anymore. Like fucking JP still. Still. Still. I think the genre is ultimately what determines that.

Because, yeah, what you're describing when your expectation is you're logging on with friends to go, you know, play together and such. There's no, that taking forever sucks. And as you said, you're already invested experience-wise and everything with your characters that have been built up. It's a different thing versus like adjusting the rules on the chess board, you know? So I can maybe touch on this. and a little bit from other genres I've played. So I've like 2,000 hours on Path of Exile as well

and one thing that you're describing that is I'm a bit of a try hard, I like the try hard games but no no it's like I have some experience of Path of Exile as like okay I feel where you're going I have it yeah okay so you know what you're describing is at the end of the day

when you're playing like a PVE game and you are invested in like something um they can't really balance it very often right because like otherwise it leads to a ton of frustration. Like if you're playing a POE league and you have your build and you got your character to like level 95 and then they just nerve your skill, it's like, okay, well, what did I just spend 100 hours like gearing up my character for?

So obviously they can't do like balance in the league. You know, they have to do it in between leagues, which makes it so, okay, big balance patches happen every league, which is going to be every three to four months. And in fighting games, kind of similarly, you've got, most people have a main, okay? Like they've got their character that they play and that's like that's who they stick with no matter what, right? Like, I was playing Darius and like, even if Darius got buffed or nerfed, I probably would have kept playing Darius.

Whereas in other genres, that's not really the case. You know, like, for example, in Mobas, people sometimes, well, there'll be one tricks that just play one character, right? And people have, like, kind of a comfort pool. But most people kind of like, you know, Zane said earlier, like, they'll rotate between different characters. And in Team Fight Tactics, every single game, you change the, like, composition that you're going to play, right?

you adapt to whatever is necessary. So even if TFT changes everything, the game mechanics are still the same, so it's not a big deal. And then MoBas, well, okay, one of your characters got nerved, the other one got buffed, you're kind of still chilling.

So I feel like the culture of balance changes is basically dependent on like how players approach those games. And I feel like for fighting games, it's one of those things where it's just like, you just got to kind of deal with it. And I kind of appreciate that kind of more old school thing because it's true that back in the day, like when we played games,

like you played, I don't know, like you played a smash on your GameCube, like that game was not getting patched. That's it. No. You were dealing. The game is the game.

Deal with it. And in a way, you know, part of me kind of misses that. Of course, we have a lot of things that are, we have it better in many ways with, you know,

regular patches, keeping games fresh and allowing us to spend thousands and thousands of hours in a game without getting bored, which was harder to do back then. But, you know, it's kind of cool to just be, like, hey, here's a problem in front of you. You can have 10 years to fix it to

solve it. And like we saw even with Smash, even without patches or anything, like over the 10, 15 years lifespan and even with fighting games just the same, right? Like the meta evolves even with no patches over years, right? Yeah. I feel, I guess I just kind of, one of the things that comes down to, because as you're describing,

having a genre where you're used to playing multiple characters and such, I also feel the moments where I'm like, there are times where I like a character. I like a character. playing as a character more than I like the game itself. And it's almost like I would rather drop this than switch, you know. I'm not huge on Tek-N.

I don't play a ton, but I fucking love Steve Fox. And I love playing Steve Fox more than I love the entire game of Tek-en. You know? So that's like where if you, whatever he's going to go through, whatever you're adjusting, okay, I got to deal with it. But if I were, if I were forced to go and play another character or so, I'm like, well, I don't really even want to play that much anymore. you know. Yeah, that was also me

with me with Gran Blue. Like, like, I've been playing Grimnear pretty much for almost the entirety of the time the game's been out. And every time a new character, because I'm like, oh, this character was cool. Maybe I'll try them. I try them. Like, nah, not as good. And so I just kept playing Grimnear and then eventually

at last year's Evo, they've, they nerfed him. I don't, I don't want to say really hard, but they changed him fundamentally, I guess, in it matters. Okay. He used to be very combo-heavy corner-to-corner combos into crazy Oki.

That was his thing pretty much, right? Okay. And they removed that. So now he has a lariat that's safe on block that myself and every Grimeneer all spams. And people get pissed off about it. It used to be unsafe, but it also used to wall-bounce, so it doesn't do that anymore. And then they changed how his tornado works. So now he no longer gets any of the fun Oki used to do.

So I'm like, huh, Grimeneer is not that much fun anymore. and then when I try anyone else I'm like you know what I think I actually just didn't like this game I think I just liked Grimnear Okay oh man I'm gonna That's a brutal reckoning I'm I definitely am gonna come back to Granbo and take a look at that at some point

And I gotta hit you up Zane And see if you can show show the ropes a bit Let's change gears a little bit Like Just want to talk about what everyone's been checking out What you've been playing what's going on recently Gary what you've been up to Anything you've been particularly covering

over on your side. Escape from Tarkov. Oh, really? Tarkov. I... That is insane. Fuck you love Tarkov, dude. So you're a degenerate. You're a monster.

Correct. Like, I remember my friend a long time ago is like, hey, you should play this game with me. I'm like, okay. And then it was Tarkov. Like, wait, this is kind of hard. And then he quit. Yeah.

And I'm like, you stayed behind? Left you with the wolves. Yep. Now I'm like, you know what? I think I'm going to grow up with the wolves, dude. Like, so. I brought you out here and now I fucking left you. That's crazy.

Yeah, it left me in the win. I was like, well, I'm a student of the game. So I watch some content creators that supply good enough information to me, get a good fill of the game. Pesely, it's good for just general game knowledge and how to quest and stuff like that. It's okay, escape from Tarkov is an MMO. Is that the right term? Yes.

I thought it was. Whoa. So, so, okay. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, okay, no, no, no, cook, cook, hold on, hold on, let me talk, let me talk. Okay, so you quest, you jump into a match, and you don't have to PVP. You can literally just avoid, and I've been in situations where I'm like, hey man, I'm just hit a quest, like, we can fight if you want to, but I really don't.

don't want to. And he's muffled because he's like on the second floor. Yeah, man, I'm good. You just go that way and I'm just going to do my thing over here. I'm like, all right, man, see you later. And like, please don't see me the back of the head. I'll full bad. And so there's questing. There's PVE, there's PVP, PVEVP. You can team up with your friends.

Yeah, PVEVP at the same time. So it's environment and players at the same time. there is a party finder as well no one uses it I think I'm going to start using it to see if people shoot me at the spawn because you'd be really funny if you party up how do you judge

what's the vibe yeah you can't yeah you still trust in this humanity which we've all lost at this point I go in and I roll charisma and I see if they shoot me in the back in the head or not okay okay vibe check just see what's up

yeah yeah like there's there's like There's raid bosses. There's, um, there's, like, opportunity, uh, situations where, like, an air drop will come in and basically, like, hey, if you want PVP, weo-wheel, come over here and, like, come fight for the loot. Um, there is, uh, I'm trying to think of some other things. Um, there's a whole storyline now. You can actually escape from Tarkov. For about nine years, you could not escape from Tarkov.

This year, they dropped the 1.0. you can now escape Tarkov there's a whole narrative It's kind of It's kind of like Stalker The way you talk to like vendors and stuff like that Like there's a

You can't like walk up to them yet They're gonna make that way You actually walk into the vendor But like vendors have like this whole like MPC like they turn around like Ah hello comrade And they talk you like bunch of like dialogue And stuff like that

But yeah I've been people playing that for about, I think I got it around 2018, I think. The game around that time was very like cod. The movement was very like, you get 80 corners and stuff like that. Now it's more like more methodical. You have to think about how you're going to push like a building, like especially if, you know, if you're not like the 1%, because the 1% are still playing cod, but everyone else is still playing Tarkov.

So there's like the, go on. I'm just sorry, I was just kind of, I'm thinking about how in previous weeks, Pat was discussing how the difference between Marathon and Arc Raiders and how like people go in expecting agro in one versus kind of. The level of humanity on display at baseline is different per game. And Tarkov has the sickest, nasty as creep. Yeah. So I'm like, where is that on the chart of just, you go fuck yourself. I'm pulling the trigger, you know. Tarkov is shoot first.

ask questions later. I'm not even joking. If I swing a corner and I see a dude, I'm already shooting. I'm not talking to you. Like, it would have to be a situation of like, we both hear each other and I void first. Usually I'm the first person to VoIP. I'm like, hey man,

you want to fight? Or is this parlay, bro? Like, what you want? He's like, let's just PVP. I'm like, all right. Then, like, I'll throw like a grenade to like, signal the fight or somebody's that. Marathon is, um, there's always, um, it's either the, the, the, the, the one v1 mode or the, I think they're trying to do like a 2V2 or 2V2 or 2V2 mode and 3 stack mode. In 3 stack, you just shoot people on site. I'm gonna be a row. There's no, it's still kind of like no talk we fight. And the, uh,

the single player, or the, the one player mode, um, or the, um, uh, no stack, just, you know, like, by yourself, people be yapping at each other in Marathon. Like, I, I've caught myself having full conversations like just with other people like hey what are you doing oh I'm doing this okay well I'm gonna go this way I haven't played arc Raiders before I saw is yeah first shoot shoot later like it depends it's fucking weird

in Arcader so I played a little bit of it and the main thing is that when you start your you're funneled into like the pussy care bear lobby where everyone is is like friends and hugs each other and helps you get gear. And it's like, it feels like fucking questing and wow in like 2005. And then you shoot a bunch of people and you get kicked into the absolute degenerate psycho layer. We kill you.

We kill you lobby. Okay. Got it. Like is there, I want to know like, is there a layer for I pretend to be your friend and then backstab you? Yes. Like, yes.

No, that's every layer. Are you one of those? Are you one of those, Gary? I am a mixture. I am a melting pot of tech, okay? I don't just stick to one thing. I adapt to a certain situation that I'm in. There's this one situation where I'm talking to this guy outside.

So I'm a three-stack. They don't know I'm a three-stack, by the way. So I'm sitting here a gap, and just, hey, what are you doing out there? Oh, you know, I'm just looking for some, like, quest things. Like, I need this. He's, like, level five, so he's looking for, like, base stuff. Because you can have, like, your own, like, secret base in the game. So, yeah, I'm looking for this.

I'm looking for that. I'm like, I ran outside. I talked him for a sec, and then I run back inside. I dropped him some stuff. He's like, hey, thanks, man. You have a good one. You too. And then his mic cuts off midway because my friend sniped him because he needed a kill quest.

Like at the same time. And he's like, I got him. I'm like, yeah. I was streaming and I had all these wonderfully positive interactions. I was like, wow, this is incredible. This is like everyone's friendly. I'm on voice with every single person I've encountered and they're all just chill guys. but I was streaming it.

So about two hours in, I'm like, all right. And I just started like shooting people in the back of the head while they were like looting. Just to do it. I didn't even want their stuff. And then I didn't want the loot. Yeah, no, I just wanted to feel something. And then like, you know, I got pushed down into the lobbies with the psychos. And I was like, oh, yeah, this is a different experience.

If I just chill on this for a little while, I'll go back to hanging out with chill people. And that happened. And it was like, oh, what a great experience. experience. I can just cater it to my own level of personalized bloodlust. You get what you put in. So if you start killing people, it's like, well, I should just... Yeah, you be the change

you want to see in the world, but like negative. Although the last time we talked Tarkov on this show, I remember it was because the, I just, I remember learning about how the cheating culture in that game is fucking insane and the side lean where people that are

cheating will do the side lean to communicate with each other. I'm cheating and you're cheating and we can see our models doing this, let's fucking... Wait, really? Yeah. So it's a very... It's like reverse teabagging, but only for cheaters. So basically peeking around corners is a

rare move that you don't do. It's very situational. So if someone does it, it's got to be for a particular reason. And people who are cheating can see every other players on the map where they are and what position they're in. And so when the game starts like, that's ridiculous. So two people

who are both cheating and can see each other will do a lean from left to right and they both communicate to each other. I'm cheating, you're cheating, let's fuck over everybody else and not fuck with each other. So the reason why it happens in the first place, so there's a thing

called scabbing. So scabbing is like, I'm broke as fuck, I don't got nothing in my stash. I need to make some money, but I'm not going to run my main character. So you run your scav, which there's other AI scab, but they don't shoot you. So the way you could tell if another scab was a player,

you lean left right and that's how you can tell now in the most not most recent patch but I don't think it's like around 2020 if you lean at a play AI scab they'll just lean back they'll literally like snap you'd be like 100 yards away and they'll look at you like

from like a distance yeah yeah so that's the whole that's the reason why just need to lean culture in the first point so they translate it from oh I'm a scab to oh I'm a cheater yeah I see you through like five buildings I just, you've just created a fake guy in my head who hears that Tarkov has lean culture and gets really disappointed. There was at one point the hacking thing was so bad.

It wasn't just, hey, I can see you through the wall. Hey, I can tell what level you are. So I know how much you're going to be. Hey, I can see how many hours you have in the game as well. At one point, there's this thing called a gamma, a gamma container or a container, right? Alpha container, which is like, hey, this stuff in my alpha container, you cannot touch. This stuff, I'm looking for mine and have one of my room. You have one in your room?

He keeps one in IRA, you know, just in case. I get attacked. Yeah, yeah. So imagine this is like a container for your most valuable things, right? A hacker can just be like, oh, what you got? Out of your bag. It's gone. Out of your ass.

It's gone. That is, like, that is a fundamental disrespect on, like a core mechanism. Oh, my God. Of the whole,

the whole appeal. Yeah, like, it's gone now, but at some point, it's like, oh, I'm fighting a hacker and they just take the bullets

out of your magazine. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, you're not fighting me anymore. God damn. Drop your guns or I'll kill you. Like,

like, I'm like, all right, man, you got me, you got me, you got me, you just get naked,

like, drop all your shud for us, like, right, Let me go, bro. Let me go. No, I just, I saw this incredible video about, like, the Tarkov cheater culture and how, like, they just, they're playing their own layer of the game separate from everyone. They have their own, you know, they communicate differently.

And, like, someone kind of was infiltrating and pretending to be one and more or less, like, getting to meet the people and their mannerisms and kind of figure out, like, what type of people there were. And one of my favorite things I remember we covered a while ago was, like, someone basically found a forum where people would buy their cheats. This wasn't just Tarkoff. This was like other stuff in general. And like when people would get banned in massive bandwaves, but they had paid for expensive like shit, they would come back to that forum to like mauled about getting kicked off and shit and just being like, this is some bullshit.

I was just using my brother's account. I just wanted to know what it felt like to win for once. And just it was beautiful like Shadenfreude to just hear the cheaters complaining that their money was fucking took, you know, from these massive server bands. you know, like the, I don't know about the cheater thing now, but at the time it really hurt the game. Because, you know, obviously people don't want to get cheated on.

You know, I mean, I remember when, um, I remember what PubG's cheating problem was so bad for a year. Like I had, I was playing PubG regularly. And I died every single night that I would log in. I would get killed by a guy clipping me through the fucking map. And I did that for like two weeks. I'm like, okay, well, I'm never going to come back to this.

And then I came back six months later. And same thing happened on the very first match I was back. I'm like, okay, I'm done with. this. I'm never coming back. Nothing's changed. Willie, I got to feed this thing. Yes. So I just wander away? Sure. Yeah. We still have the sponsor break to do you. You have enough guests. But that's fine.

Yeah, you can wander away and we'll cover it. That's all good. And I'll take that opportunity. Yeah, go ahead. Go feed the dog. Go feed the dog. Diaphone. What have you been up to? What have you been playing recently? What's going on with you? I've been playing recently. So I'm kind of in the Avatar preparation phase. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I am actually not playing funny games off stream. I'm playing metaphor refontasio.

Oh. I give myself one like JRP a year to kind of play just to kind of DJ and grind. Last year's Expedition 33. Banger. Metaphor rephantasio. Not quite as good as Expedition 33, but it's like it's good enough. It caught my interest. I love the style of the game.

I actually really like the combat too. I think there's a lot of depth to it. I'm almost at the end. Okay. I'm at like, the way the game works is like a calendar system. So I know the final day the game ends. Yeah. I'm like eight days away from that.

So, okay. Hopefully we beat that this week. But I'm like 50 hours deep already. You're, you're, it's the real final day. You're aware of the real final day. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, sick. I assume so.

I already went to. the second final day, if that makes sense. Right, yes. Okay, okay. That note, I really enjoyed that. Yes, I'm glad I played it before Expedition 33 because, like, Clarebskir is just a fucking absolute banger. It's a better game for sure. But I really like metaphor as a, like, the persona team kind of stepping out of what they usually do and trying something different.

And it took, it took a kind of a while to get there, but I feel, I really like what it had to say about, like, fantasy, society, you know, And to some degree, there's a, I feel like, you know, to talk around, not getting into any spoilers, obviously. Something into the persona games, I love them, but they always do have something where, like, a lot of the time, it's like, hey, face the darkness inside yourself, and then you can improve and at all, and overall, society is fine. The problem is with you, you know? and they kind of start to lean in P5 towards the idea of like, okay, sometimes society is annoying and bad too, but ultimately you have to be like a part of it.

And that is true. But like when the system is all fucked up, I feel like metaphor is basically them going, no, here's an example of a fictional world. It's not the Japan or the world we live in, but in this fictional world we can talk about like sometimes the problem is literally just the politics we live in, the world we live in,

the society we have. Like they're taking swings that they usually wouldn't in a persona game. And I felt that was pretty bossy. I liked it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I like the story a lot.

Again, stylistically, the game is so cool. I think the only issue I have of the game is it's just, it's a slow game. Like the pacing is just so much, I don't want to call it filler, but I mean, let's be real. It's kind of filler. Like, I, the story's so cool. I just want to like keep doing story stuff. Are you? And you have to, like, really like, min max your time and like, you know, get invested in the cycle.

quest and that sort of thing. But other than that, like, it's, it's a good game. Yeah. Are you, are you a fan of Berserk by any chance?

I've never seen it. I've heard really good things. Okay. Well, let me tell you right now, uh, you, you,

you, you, you have experienced a part of it because Louis is just a character from Berserk, like lifted and dropped, you know? Um, what's your,

what are your archetypes looking like? Oh, I'm, I'm at the, I've unlocked the, the, the final archetypes, right?

but I will say my party The thing is you can't even say the party about spoilers No, no, yeah, but the classes, I guess, you know Yeah, the way I see that, like I'll talk about the MVP's is you obviously just invest everything into the MC, right? So the MC is the go. He's like my healer, but I just put every single stat point into magic, which I don't know if it's actually the right play, like looking back,

but he already has his magic like almost max out, which is kind of cool. So I've been playing him as a mage. and then uh high high high hegenberg i only not to say her the i'm gonna say i'llkenberg yeah yeah like she's she's my goat so i just have her tank everything and everyone else is like just dps pretty much okay yeah yeah no i feel like you can't really build a bad character in the sense that you the you get a lot of outs with the archetypes and and the the evolution you as long like there's always more room to grind up more archetypes if need be your mistakes are made

I will say the fourth character you get is just the best one. Statistically move-wise, stats, everything. They break the game in a bunch of ways that are kind of unhealthy at the end of the game. That's funny because I flush that character, ASAP. Oh, yes. That's why I'm at least used. When you get to their final archetype, they have a move that was not properly thought out and like fundamentally breaks a huge amount of the game's encounters.

Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I have to imagine there's like tons of ways to break the game. I always play these games with like no, how do I say? Like, no guides or anything. Like I just want to go in raw and like figure out my own strats. I would say right now my MVP though is the last person you get. Their final archetype. Oh, yeah.

That's my note right there. Well, that is the most like brain. like brain dead just like I would like to hit this button and fucking men like that's all I want to do yeah um there's essentially again talking around it you know a character that gets multiple classes in their character right like take your pick um I found as well uh one last thing on it I found that the the story and hanging out with the friends and all that again compared to the persona games and stuff um the story with the thief uh with Heismay is my favorite

side character story in any of those games. I felt it was a phenomenal just mature like take on shit that high school students don't go through because you got to live some fucking life to go through that shit. You know, I really, really liked it.

It was just good straight. I had that storyline was really upsetting to me for a number of reasons but like I I had just like my my dog had just passed away and I had a new child So like the combination of those two events in that storyline were really rough Really rough

It felt like you're playing again a take your your high school problems and high school characters Working those those out and whatnot and then here's a bowjack horseman episode Dropped into the middle of the fucking party you know It was it's nuts so yeah that's cool you got some good shit coming hell yeah Dethy what have you been up to what have you been playing Well, you know, I pretty much always play deadlock. So that hasn't changed as far as deadlock. I mean, deadlock's still pretty fun right now.

It's just it's been almost. It's closing on six months since the last major update. So there's two types of updates. There's balance patches, which we get. We get balanced patches roughly. There's no schedule. Valve kind of do whatever the hell they want. They're kind of a very unique company.

They don't have, you know, like, for example, for it, I was like, oh, TFT gets patches every two weeks. There's a schedule, et cetera. With Valve, it's like, who knows what? when a patch is going to come. Who knows what's going to happen. And also the game has been, for those of you that are unfamiliar, like, the game has been playable for two years and three months almost. And you can't even spend any money on the game. Like you literally, there's no cosmetics. There's, like you cannot give them money. Like, if you want to give them

money, you literally can't. Yeah, it's like the ultimate loss leader right now. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I don't think it's leading anything, but it's definitely losing them. I mean, I don't want to know how much money they're spent on it. But they have a lot of money printers, you know, so they're not, definitely we're not going to pity them, right? They're printing money from other things, so they don't need to worry about it. So it's truly a passion project. But, you know, the thing about Mobas is like we said, there's so many characters, right? So when I'm bored, I just play other characters.

So for the deadlock people in the chat, you know, I've been playing a little bit more Mina and Apollo and just, you know, just playing other. I have over, I think I have like 23 heroes that I have over 50 games on. So I like to just play a bunch of different stuff. Ish. Okay. But you shang sung, as we see. say you just play anybody here well you know i've got to my main guy who's uh who's kind of lash that guy's uh that guy's kind of my go-to like basically no matter what patch i'll always play lash

but other than that i kind of gravitate depending on the patch like i do change characters a lot based on what's good uh but lash is i'll always come back to uh to lash who funny fact for all of you guys that aren't familiar with deadlock is every character has like a backstory kind of lore and lash's backstory is just uh like it's one line and it's one line and it just says Jacob Lash is an asshole. And that's literally an entire backstory. So that's hilarious. But other than that,

I've also been playing, I got back into old tool ruinscape like a day ago. I want to play more fighting games. Like, I want to learn street fighter and stuff. But like I was talking before the podcast is when I learned 2XCO, I learned on keyboard because it's what was familiar. And I basically got like,

like my fingers were really numb. And I googled the symptoms. It was basically like one to one carpal tunnel. So like, yeah, that's our. RSI for sure. Yeah, index thumb and middle finger all got really numb for like weeks. And now I would say I'm almost fully recovered. But I'm kind of like, okay, maybe I need something a little more ergonomic.

Maybe keyboard wasn't the play. So I need it. Let me ask you. As somebody, like I've had like a longstanding like threat of RSI symptoms whenever I play anything with a mouse and keyboard for any length of time. Right. Like for me, the tipping point was like back when I played Guild Wars 2 when it came out. I developed like, like, paralytic level numbness in my right arm from the way you use the mouse.

And I was like, okay, well, I just got to quit this game entirely. And Deadlock is a game that I look at. And I'm asking you because you're the expert on this room that everything about that game is fucking cool. Everything about it is incredible, except for the fact that I have a genuine fear that if I were to play it currently with mouse and keyboard, I would injure myself and, like, harm my ability to, like, live my life. Is there any hope for controller support coming to that game ever? There's already a controller support. You can already play it with a controller right now. Is it viable?

Yeah. Well, okay, so viable is, it kind of depends, right? So the game doesn't really have like aim assist. So the reality is if you play with the controller, you'll be like, you'll be fairly limited as far as like, you know, how good you can actually get at the game. Like a controller player is never going to be a top player, right? Like, for example, completely different game, Apex Legends. In Apex Legends, a lot of people would argue controllers in advantage. in a game like Deadlock,

it's very obviously a disadvantage. Titanfall as well, actually. They go hard on that. Yeah, it snaps you to people like nobody's business. Deadlock doesn't really have that. So at the end of the day, it's a very significant disadvantage because it's also a very fast-paced game. Like, people are moving all around the place.

But if you play a character that doesn't really require a lot of aiming, like there's basically there's Graves that auto-aims already. Graves literally has auto-aim. It's like Moira, basically, in Overwatch, for those of you that are familiar. So you could play that. You play like Mo and Crill. Like so I did a Deadlock slam similar to the Sejam slam and you guys will be invited to the next one which will happen whenever the next update drops.

Oh, thank you. Cool. Yeah, of course. But what was I going to say? Yeah. In that slam, I had FDX. I was the coach and FDX was on my team. I was coaching him and he was like completely brand new.

Never played Deadlock at all. And I put him on this character called Moe and Krill. It's basically the Darius of Deadlock. where it's like super simple, you can get guaranteed value, that would be a controller character for sure. Okay. So there's definitely hope

for you to be able to enjoy Deadlock and there's also like they've added other game mode. So like for example, now you have Street Brawl. So before there was just the regular 6V6 game mode. Now there's Street Brawl, which is a 4V4 game mode that's like for fun and you basically get like random items

that you choose and all that stuff is much less serious. So for people to enjoy that, without feeling like, you know, you're throwing something important for your teammates. Like that would be a perfect game mode for you to just enjoy with the controller on your couch, chilling. Okay. Yeah, because I'm right in that same boat with Pat.

Like, I like couch and controller, you know, that's just been my comfort. And I, as someone who grew up with, you know, consoles and everything like that, I kind of skipped past the sitting at your desk PC gaming phase. Like, I just kind of stayed on the couch the whole time. And that led to, to my detriment, I don't have mouth. and keyboard skills, you know, like I'm really just not as comfortable with that. So I always kind of look for like, is there a solution here? And even when I was playing Overwatch, like, I'm like, okay, I'll play Reinhart, you know, I'll kind of not be dealing with people that are doing like hit scan and things like that.

Sure, yeah. So one thing I'm curious about with Deadlock is because the game's been, it's not officially out, like you said, there's no money on it, but it's been for this long. Obviously, there's no official tournament scenes or anything like that going. Is there... There are tournaments, but I guess. So that's what I was going to ask is like, what are people doing unofficially? Like, how is that sort of seen looking with the game?

Because I don't really much. Yeah. So basically, I mean, obviously, so there's some sponsors. So there's, I would say the bigger. Okay, so there's always like the game is really big and like Eastern Europe as well. Like, you know, Russia, Ukraine, et cetera, like countries in that area. Like, they really love the game. So there's always tournaments in that region happening.

And usually they're kind of like the, you know, one-win, like betting platform tournament, blah, blah, blah, you know what I mean? Like insert betting platform tournament. As far as like everywhere else, right now, the most major organizer would be Deadlocked Night Shift. And they have like a weekly kind of like show match event where, you know, both regions play for a couple hours and the top teams from both regions. But it stays within the region.

And then every once in a while, every couple of months, all host a big tournament with Deathslam Events, which is a company that I co-founded. And we basically, we do like big tournaments. So, for example, in May we had a $10,000 tournament. So, you know, we still managed. We got, we got a sponsor for that. So we managed to, you know, host like a big tournament. The tournament scene is you.

Yeah, yeah, basically. It's me and Deadlock Nightshift. And some other small, but it's very grassroots, right? Deadlock Night Shift is definitely way bigger. Like, they're way more consistent. But every once in a while all host tournaments as well. So does it feel kind of like, you know, like a waiting room for when Valve decides to enter and start doing stuff officially? Do you feel like there's a...

Well, Valve is never going to do like, again, so the thing about Valve is that Valve, like, they like to stay in their wheelhouse. They don't really like to take control of things too much. So very, very likely that like when the tournament scene, like when the game comes out and there's a real e-sports, they'll kind of just let people do what they want. Okay. It'll probably be more like PGL, ESL, like all these big companies, right, coming in and doing that. and Valve maybe they'll do something like with Dota where they did the international in Dota, which was kind of like the big Dota tournament every year.

But even nowadays like Valve outsources that as well. So who knows if they even want to get back into it. And you know, they don't really do like franchising or all of these like all of these other companies. Like they like to be very close with the e-sports. Like Valve is usually very, very like far away from it. But it is a waiting room for just like when the game becomes official and there's money, right? all the organizations are going to come in, all the big things.

And like, you know, I'm not going to hope to to compete with them at that point, right? Okay. Kind of sounds like Nintendo and how hands off they are with their shit. Okay. Yeah. All right. Looking at, okay.

Yeah. So, Frodan, what have you been up to? What's your recent gaming and or watching experience? mostly TFT still just because man loves his TFT all the time TFT is like a game Got them coach at it of course

It's not like it's not like a game you just play a little bit You like no life it It's like a lifestyle Okay okay I was literally waiting for you to finish What you were going to say and say it's a lifestyle Worry obviously

One does not simply like dip your Your hand into the cookie jar and then you stop reaching. It's like dopamine filled. It's a lot of addiction. But it's really fun and rewarding. But I would say that also the new stats coming up.

So like for me, a lot of the games I've been playing on the side are just like Riot related. So I actually still kept playing 2XCO. Believe or not. Okay.

Because my buddy, my buddy Ray, who also played in the slam, wanted to get to Masters with Thresh. and I actually don't really like playing to as Kio by myself. I think like as a solo game, it's just not quite enjoyable. But I love playing duos.

I'm on the same way to play the game. Same here, actually. My buddy wanted to play a match. So I actually been grinding. I'm almost the masters. I'm like Diamond 370 or something. I just have to play my last few games. So I've actually just been grinding.

This is so, sorry. This is so cool and crazy that it's like a number of people are like, yeah, I like this fighting game specifically when I can play with my friends, which has been just not an option in any thing that has been offered seriously, and now it actually is a thing. And, you know, the ability to just jump online with the homies is what I've been saying, other games need to push, whether it's like booting to a screen that lets you, like, grab them in and stuff. So having multiple of you guys prefer duos. Gamers don't have friends, Willie.

Well, you have people that you sucker in to your Discord calls regardless, that you trap with you. So that's cool. That's interesting. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So mainly that and I also play Riot's card game which is like Riftbound. So that card that game is also

really fun to play and I don't know it. I just enjoy playing card games a lot because people know me from card games mostly. I used to play Riot's card game back when they supported it. Should we just assume should we just assume if Riot makes it you play it?

Yeah, and I think like, you know, strategically, everyone's like, oh, you're like a Riot games influencer. You just play all their games. You'll still all their stuff. And I'm like, you're not wrong. But also, I don't know, I just like grinding hardcore games. And I think Riot tends to make hardcore games. So, you know, it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so funny. We were on the same team, right? We were duo together. And I'm like the same, but with Valve. Like, I've played every Valve game, basically. So it's kind of like the yen and Yang. People like to compare Riot and Valve all the time. So that's just, I just thought I'd point out of just funny coincidence. Is riffbound I literally I'm just Okay wait no actually as soon as I Think that's a physical card game I just I just recognize this logo actually I have seen this pop up yeah okay Is it physical and digital or is it is it just physical?

It's mainly physical there are ways you can play digital But I just like physical card games I think it has a lot of elements to the FGC In that it's like you have to go in person, you have to face a person across from the table, and you actually build like a much deeper respect for the competitor that you're going up against

because there's like the actual bond that happens. So I think that there's like an element of the fighting game community that is represented in TCGs that it's like really good to go out to events. And I just think it's like really special because TFT all happens digitally. It's like every, TFT grew up during COVID. So we never actually built up a community. It released in 2017, and when Torments first started happening in 2018, COVID happened the year after. And I think that took a lot away from the community.

Okay. And I think that ultimately, like short, short-circuited, like, people just, like, going to events. And I feel like that TGG is a really good way to balance it out, so I can go out to events and then, you know, kind of like get a, good experience like meeting it with people because sometimes it gets really lonely just sitting in a room. Yeah. Well, that's that's the cool thing with just, you know, I, the, the, obviously fighting games, it's like you have the ability to play online now and if we finally have a world where like online is pretty solid in a lot of cases, rollback is real. But I'm always somebody that's like getting out there sitting next to somebody and playing in person is just a

different thing that, you know, it's a different version of the experience and it adds up to, I would say like playing online by yourself is like a third of the enjoyment you can get out of fighting games you know playing and being live with other people that makes up the rest of it. It's fucking great. Very cool. Okay.

Zane, how are you doing? What's you been up to? Not too much but most part just waiting on Avatar and Tokon of course. So either playing two XCO outside of that Conn, I'm a big fan of card game.

games. Okay. Real life-wise, I play Magic the Gathering, Weishorts, and a bit of Uguo. Why, Shorts, damn, you're a giga grinder. Wisehorts is like, I mean, it's just like every IP in the card game type of thing. Pretty much.

As long as they're not a show, as long as they're not shown in, there's a deck for it pretty much. It's Mugin. Okay, Bukit for card games. Okay, okay. Okay. Got it, got it.

That's what that one, that was, that one's, That one's much more niche, but the place where I went to, where I went to school and the underground between classes, there's a large group of us that played Yu-Gio, but also a smaller group of us that played Weiss. So that's how I learned to the game and then got, then got into that one. And then my friend recently got me, got me back into magic again, because he got me to try it. And I hated it because my luck in it is terrible.

So, so like, so like, so basically, if those of guys who don't know anything about magic, basically the way you play cards is you need to play lands first and you play one land to turn. My luck with my luck with magic is that you start with seven cards and I will draw six out of my seven cards as lands or six of my seven cards as creatures. So I either have all the lands but can't play any cards or all the creatures and no lands to play them. And that was very miserable for me playing in the game. I'm trying to look up wise shorts and I can't.

spell it correctly what what what I don't know what does W E I S S C H W A R T T-S space S C H W A R T-R T-T-Mortz okay okay yeah like a cane move yeah all right cool yeah got it yes yes yeah so that yeah so that yeah so that for the real life stuff online outside more more car more car more car games of course Hars the I'm Hirstone played that on not for years a little bit of T and the T F F T F T F T F T F T F T F T F T F T F T and here and there. As you put it, I played it like nonstop for like two months and then haven't touched it,

then didn't touch it for months after that because it's either play it nonstop or not at all. There's like no in between. No life for not at all. God damn. Okay. And then I also speed run Sonic Adventure too. Hell yeah.

Let's go. Yes, sir. Let's go. Hey, all right. Yeah, so pretty much it's either all the fighting games or the most or the absolute least I can possibly do with my hands

while playing the game pretty much to avoid hurting myself in any way pretty much such why card games is always the go-to. It goes from mashing buttons, non-stop and fighting games to just click drag weights. Click drag weights and that's pretty much it. So that literally basically taking car games and using that as a rest quote-unquote

for to avoid any form of injuries for my hands. Do you have any Shadow the Hedgehog speed run tack by any chance? I did I did I did I did learn to speed run shadow generations. Okay. But not Shadow the Hedgehog. Unfortunately, no, I don't know how to speed run with Shadow with a gun. My apologies.

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and now back to our regularly scheduled program. All right, one second. Hey, everybody, coming back in. Coming back in. Hello. What's up? Oh, you definitely don't want us on live with this conversation. That's fine.

That's fine. We are in. Hey. All right. We're having one of those conversations that you can only have with other content creators, which are few and far between because, like, everyone you know in your life and your friend circle is just like, doesn't quite understand it because it's such a unique, weird thing.

It is. So I'm very lucky in that my wife is Peach Saliva. So she is also a long-term content creator, like longer than me technically for streaming. So like as soon as soon as one of us finishes streaming, we just immediately have a little pow-wow and be like, man, you know what's bullshit about streaming? This guy or this bullshit or whatever, whatever, what have you. Right, right. No, it's nice that you could make instant friends when people have that same. They know the deal.

They know the woes. And yes, for me, in my case, my wife is completely unimpressed and uninterested in all of this bullshit. Same. You're going to do your little show today, Willing? You're going to do your show with your friends? Could not be less impressed or fucking just not even the slightest hint of a fuck to give, which is dope.

That's great. I love it. So that's... That has its own value. It really does. It really does. I have to, you know, beg her to do Delta Rune streams whenever we get a chance. if possible.

So it's like... And you're behind on those. Very much so. Okay. Well, just to jump back in a little bit, yeah, we're only got a little bit left here. We're going to be wrapping up shortly. I'll jump in with my weekpad a little bit.

Yeah, go for it. Yeah, so for anyone... I only have a minor thing to add at the end of yours, honestly. Sure thing. So, yeah, for this one... week, myself personally, we started Let's Playing Dark Souls 2 over on the channel. And that's, I've already played through it, but Reggie's playing through it for the first time. That one's been a long time coming. And it's a nice kind of final, you know, kizmit moment. It's for a lot of

people, they are basically remarking that Pat guiding my hips through Dark Souls 2 was one of the first times. That's a long time ago. Indeed. And so I'm like doing that now, you know, leading him through and everything's going. And I'm just getting hit with like, yeah, Majula is amazing. I put the DS2 lighting engine as well on. So, you know, it just looks a lot nicer. And like, I'm getting this like even more nostalgic version than the version I actually played because it looks better.

It has a more dynamic lighting. It looks better than even your memory of it back in the day. Exactly. It's kind of nuts. That's quite nice. But that's the fun of coming to like a game like a Souls game after years and years is the fans of the community have made some crazy shit. shit and tons and tons of support and things you can go check out.

So it was nice to kind of to just jump back in there. And then also it's like, okay, so I don't know if you guys know Dark Souls to it all, but like, you know, we went on the hard path, so to speak, towards Hayes Tower of Flame. And one of the things Pat, I was basically keeping in mind was, okay, if Reggie's going to go towards the hard path, there will be a struggle. You will learn about the life reduction when you die and all that shit. But there's a ring you can get that will mitigate all that life reduction. And it's right there.

We know where it is. So it's worth pushing into the difficulty to just try and get it. And as we get to that point where his life is halved and everything up to that point was a struggle. And you get around that corner where I'm like, all right, there's that chest where you get the ring. And there's a motherfucking hide knight on top of it sitting in front of it. Oh, yeah. It's not free anymore. No.

And I was like, oh, this is the update. version of the game. This is the scholar of the first sin version where they've put in a whole bunch of fuck you additions all over the place and just scattered shit out, you know, and I'm kind of realizing like even though it's been a while since my memories of the game, my memories might be kind of cooked and fucking worthless here because I played through a bunch of in preparation like a couple years back, but I don't have it baked in at all for like shit like that at these ambushes that are going to happen, you know? So, Wully, I think you might be fucked on this because I went through both of them and the changes to the scholar

version are big enough to throw you but not big enough to be like someone would reach out and be like can you believe they change this thing so it it it it floats in that realm of like is this different or did I forget well that works out because for people that have kind of been like hey, you know, some people are like, they want more backseeding from me and some people want less. Well, there's only so much you can even do, honestly. I'm trying to keep you as hands off as possible with his experience, but this is just one of those things where, all right, then we're both thrown into the weeds and we'll just

discover it together. That's it. We played through Eldon Ring not knowing what the fuck was around the corner, and that was nuts, you know, so. Anyway, just fun to return back to that. I also, I saw that young ladies don't play fighting games debuted this week. I didn't watch yet, but I hear it's... Is anyone in here?

I watched it. I've seen clips. I've seen clips. I've seen clips. I want to watch it. The second episode came out today. I still need to watch that. I watched last week, though.

Okay. I saw someone putting comparisons up of like the live action version. And holy shit, the live action doesn't sell the dynamic like moments of the manga and what anime can do here. Like, I just, it just felt really weird. You're watching the... Oh, shocker. The live action didn't do it. Oh, shocker.

The craziest thing I've heard today. Oh, my Lord. Netflix adaptation almost with it. But no, I want to dive in there. We were talking last week, too, about the fact that it's really weird how every version of this from the manga to the live action to now this anime, it has used a different street fighter because it's got to be more and more current. So four, five, and now six.

And every future adaptation is going to have to use whatever the current game is and then rewrite the story. script so that what they're saying makes sense. Just a little bit. You know? Very strange. And yeah, beyond that, I'm happy for Jojo Fridays to come back soon. So, Steel Ball Run. Wait, Jojo Fridays. Hell yeah. I don't know if anyone here is a fan of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, but... I've seen all the seasons? Yeah, the latest season, Steel Ball Run is my favorite. It's the

fucking best. When is it coming out? So they put the first episode out already. It's on Netflix. and it was a like 45 minutes long right yeah it was a too big it's a big it's a big boy it was a big it was a big big big beefy episode and then they had a big break where they're effectively were like we don't know when the next one will be and everyone was like well why the fuck would you tease us like this and not even know when you're doing it again you know and then they eventually came and put the trailer out and said all right it's coming back for the next 11 episodes every Friday jojo's going to be coming out and for anyone who was watching jojo while it was releasing week to week

Having Jojo Fridays was just super fun because everyone got to the same part at the same time and kind of had that little water cooler internet talk about each part, you know? So I miss that and I'm glad they're finally fucking doing it again. Okay, yeah, that's pretty... Wait, when is that? That's September? Fuck. Yeah, the 20... Well, you can't be like I'm excited for the return and then be like, I don't know what it is.

Sorry, sorry, no, it was... I want to know. I believe it was the 25th. 24th. And yeah, it's going to be phases, stages two and three. Yeah, exactly. That's pretty much going down as well.

We'll do all our plugs and wrap it up. But yeah, we're going to be finishing off Phoenix Wright on the channel as well, playing more FF. Playing more FF14 with Pat. That's tomorrow, yeah? That's going to be tomorrow. Exactly. And I mean, Phoenix Wright, too.

we're pretty much I feel like we're right at the finish line of that game all I can say is just like everyone was talking about how the second to last case was dog shit the worst that series ever had and then the last case is amazing and I'm like okay impress me and now that we're about to wrap it up I'm like the last case of Phoenix Wright 2 is fucking incredible it's it's super good genuinely incredible on like a number of different points I'm more than anything it's a it's a different thing yes that's it this format of being a lawyer while the thing you're doing it, the context of how you navigate what being a lawyer is and what that means. They're mixing it up in a really interesting way I didn't expect. I'm fucking loving it so far. So you said you had one more bit you wanted to add with your week, Pat. I did. So for the rest of my week, I'm going to be playing another session of 14 with Hina, Ecto, and Mint on Thursday. I'm playing 14 with you tomorrow. And I'm also going back

to Powell World and Grand Blue Fantasy relink, endless ragner. Rock, which is too long of a title. Jesus Christ. That is insane. Okay. It's way too long. It's way fucking too long. But I knew a lot of people that were way into specifically relink as the game that

like platinum got kicked off of. But I only messed around with it very briefly. But now that I've gotten more time into it, it's so fucking weird what that game actually is. Like it is turning. Zenless Zone Zero into Monster Hunter. Like, okay. Sometimes it's monster hunter. Yeah.

It's two different games. One of which it's an action game variation of what they, it feels like the fantasy of what Grand Blue Fantasy was supposed to be made by a guy who's absolutely obsessed with FF14 to the point where I recognize some of the marks on the floor. Oh yeah. Like in terms of mechanics. Whoa. Okay.

Combined with Monster Hunter with all of the addictive Gatcha technology design that Gatcha people learned over the decades. So for example, you'll be like, oh, I would like to do a, you know, a boss fight with my three friends. And you'll load in. And the first thing that you see is there is a set of extra conditions to go from C, B, A, s s plus s plus plus S plus S plus S plus

S plus plus so clearing it and not dying is not enough it's clearing it in under the timer with all of these conditions to get the best possible rewards and say you get to the end of that encounter and you did not get your best possible rewards

you only got a pathetic S plus well you hit square to repeat it and it turns the mission into the repetitive version which skips the opening, auto opens the chests,

and repeats forever until you turn it off. Wow. They have streamlined the FOMO. They know exactly who wants to DGEN and they have a mode for that. It's like I'm going to grind this thing out until I get what I want and I'm going to hit

the button that will just roll it over and over and over until I get it. Okay. Man. It's great. It's really, really, really. really great. I again, my impression from playing that that one time was just

like the pace that you get characters at was fucking sick. Like you go half an hour, maybe 20 minutes, and you get another character to start playing as. And I don't know if that pace keeps up obviously, but by the end of three hours, I had like a giant roster going. And I was like, yeah, that's cool.

Unique and fun to play, you know? But yeah, that's going to be over to Twitch.tv.tv.com slash Pat Stairs at. Okay. This week I'm streaming at 7 p.m. Pacific now. I'm streaming much later. Yeah. I'm going to be announcing some scheduling changes as well to you guys because once daycare is going to get started, we're going to be moving things around on my schedule.

You're going to daycare? Yes, I'm going to daycare. So I'm going to have to change. Oh my goodness. I'm so glad someone will be able to take care of you during those morning hours. It's very important that I get my nappy times. It's true. It's true. Bro, you joke, but man, I can go for a nap sometimes.

I'm super down for quiet music nappy time. Anyway, no, just last couple of things here as we're just kind of going to be wrapping up soon. Yeah, just anything you guys are looking forward to, you know, FGC or otherwise in general coming up. I'm personally just looking at these Yasmin trailers for Street Fighter that we've seen. The footage of her looks incredible. I'm happy that everybody that was very down on a new character existing because it wasn't someone they recognized is immediately just falling in love with a brand new one because you got to give them a chance to love them.

Well, see, they set that up by giving us a character nobody wanted that they did recognize. It's just like, you know that they've been slam dunk so far with the rest of the original characters of Street Fighter 6. Just give these guys a minute, you know? And I think we just saw a look at her critical art. And she's doing like Akuma, fucking. world ending level. It's like, what is this character?

And why did she have so much power? What that shit's nuts. Have you seen it? Just do yourself a favor and don't listen to her own to her. Oh God, the theme song. As long as you don't listen to her theme, she's awesome. Just do yourself a favor, skip that and then enjoy. I was their assumption that that was like the low life theme.

Like that wasn't like her actual whole theme song. It's just like a horse playing a piano all the whole time. The whack part is when you're about to die only. Therefore, if you're playing perfectly, you should be fine, right? Yeah. Yeah. Just don't get hit. You'll never have to be.

Five hundred six. His music has been pretty lacking overall, I got to say. I replaced all of it with like Alpha III stuff as soon as I possibly go. Yeah. Third strike in there. There's some highs. There's a couple of highs. Fet for Ren.

You know, the Paris theme is really good. Yeah, I know, that one's pretty good. I like that one. But the custom theme song for sure is going in there. And I'm, I'm even pulling in some of the other, um, stuff from like alter whatever it's like

Violent Ken's theme I think from Ultra final Nintendo mix or so There's some there's some shit in there But yeah No just I everything else though Music aside with Yasmin I think looks dope as hell Um Yeah Gary anything that you're kind of

Got eyes on that you're looking forward to That's uh coming up Tocon beta Yeah That's like I was going through What is that I file it like filing 1.8 3rd?

Yeah, it's like, it's like, I think it's a 25th, I think, because like Avatar releases a day before. I didn't need to figure out what day it is. But it's a day after Avatar releases, which is fucked up. Yeah. That feels targeted,

like the Overwatch, like BattleBorn targeted. I was in the room with my homie, Jeff, and we were watching the announcement for Tokon. I was like, hey, this day after Avatar. He's like, I thought. Like shit.

He literally went shit. And then he found out it was a day before. It's like, okay. So it's not too bad. I mean, it still sucks. Well, that was said during the last beta too. And we saw how that turned out.

So let's not look. So we won't, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Yeah. I think Avatar is coming in at like one, the game is $30. It's just a more affordable price point for a lot of people. It's a different thing.

You know, I think it's, you're not, you're not, you don't got to worry about too many lunches in this type of thing. I want to get my Kyoshi hours in there as soon as possible personally. Yeah, besides some people being Avatar fans, I think a lot of people were just excited for the fact that we're getting a new 1v1 anime game.

Right? So it's like, we got Minstable Versus. We got 2XCO. We're getting Marvel Toecons. Like, all right, we're getting all these anime games. They're all tag fighters. Can we please get a 1B1 game? So an avatar is kind of fitting that role.

So even though they're coming around the same time, I think it's got a good chance. It feels good, too. like I got to play the AX Like I'm came like I told us like seeing this game on Twitter Does not do it justice Because like every time I see on Twitter It's like it's like it's in 30 And it's like you know

Like the frame rate eats up whatever like sauce the game like It kind of has like visually Like playing it in front of me like AX is like no this This feels good and it's grimy Like it's kind of like slimy affectionate Like there's some bullshit like He showed me oh Suka has a reverse dive kick I'm like, why?

Why is he has the same side? You cross up and you dive kick back to in front of them. I'm like, wait. Top 5H. Just armor nonstop. It does it all, you know. Yeah, Qatar Flow doing left, right. Top 5H along with saying a platform so you can't roll.

Zucco having dive kick cancels. Yeah. Do, Gary, have you scoped out a Tokon team at all? Are you feeling anybody just based on the footage? Hulk? Insert other characters. I genuinely don't know what else I'm going to play. I saw Hulk.

I was like, ooh, Broly function. Give me that. I'm playing that. Guys, I got to take a second. I got to help wife with groceries. I'll be back in time. No worries. For sure, for sure.

I saw, I saw Blade and I'm like, okay, blade magic and we'll fill in the rest, you know? See, I was thinking Hulk Blade. magic and then I'm like, I'm like, oh, I'm done. Oh, wait, there's a fourth slot. There's a fourth slot. Yeah, a function to fill. And it's either Starlord or Ghost Rider or or Deadpool, like, because I love Deadpool and

in Marvel rivals. Like, Diophone, who you feel in in Tokon right now. Oh, it's, it's tough. You know, I, I want to play someone that really broken. I think I suffered enough and too scared, not playing enough broke champs and broke teams. So I, I want to make sure for more. Marbleauly. We're playing some...

Yeah, I mean, if I allow, you can really say that team was that strong, like, in fair... No, but you were saying someone broke and I'm like, I'll have been broken. No, the whole team's gonna be,

no, the whole... The whole team needs to be broken. Yeah, yeah, okay. Okay, you're gonna pick... You're gonna pick one, two, three, and four, guys. You're gonna pick one, two, so I saw Supernoon

on Twitter today, so he's definitely playing Spider-Man, so you know that character's probably top one. So I guess Spider-Man's on the team. after that, I'm not really sure. That plays all the broken stuff usually. He does, and he always says

every other character besides the character he plays is like super broke, but his team's fine. Timo is completely fine. The down player. Yeah, Timo's completely fine, but allow you to Zerr-Teno.

Yeah, Timo only has two winning matchups. I love down playing. I love down playing in my show. Yeah, and somehow his character's never get nerfed too. He's just, he's just blessed. I don't know.

But anyways, So I think Spider-Man looks really strong. We'll both look strong. So maybe one of them. But I also, I'm going to try the characters that look cool first. So like magic I think is cool, danger is cool. Shuri, like, and then some of the new champ like Green Goblin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Like there's so many villains. There's so many cool designs. I just got to play around like half the cast. What is Carnage's move list going to be like, you know? I really. Yeah, carnage looks sick too. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. Zane, are you looking at any, any, any, anyone in that yet? I got a list of six right now And the plan is to make a team out of those six I got, I got some Storm of course, because it seems like if there's a wind character in the game, I just got to play them.

That just seems to be a rule now. It sounds really cool. Storm, Storm, Sherry Black Panther. Almost the entirety of the Knights of Doom, freaking Magneto Green Goblin Carnage. Yeah. Green Gobel looks sick as hell. And then everyone's freaking out over Blade

during the last announcement. But I'm like, what about Loki? Like, I see Loki. I see Loki. Summending a clone doing it to doing it to doing a teleport. Some summoning like four orbs of fire on both sides of the person. I was like, this character looks like he's got some sauce attached to him. Yeah, I feel like you would, I would, I imagine you would just wait to see who has the most air mobility.

And then you just lock in on that. So the mobility is always a, it's like, I've got like a criteria and a matter speaking of does look more. Mobility is always number one. Mix-ups is number two, and then set play is number three. Those are the three things I look for. I look for most.

And Storm has basically all the above, hence what she's probably like almost a guarantee to be on the team. Black Panther, I've been told about the crazy movement and mix-ups of Black Panther. I'm looking forward to getting to try that during the beta.

Green Goblin and the, with the, sending his glider off screen. Puppet character. Yeah. Yeah. Gary, you're about to say?

I was going to say, like, I go off a completely different mentality when I pick up characters. Like, so, for example, when I played Killer Instinct,

the new one, the new one, uh, for the first time. Uh, I was playing, I think I played, when the game dropped,

I think Ultramar of Catcon 3, like was like a year out, like so far. And I'm like, I tried it. I was like, ooh, um,

I'm real, this game's kind of ass, like, whatever, right? And then they drop Sender. I'm like, hello, like, hello. Like, what we got, we got beast cannons? Like, give me that. I'm all in. I love, I love characters that have, like, beast canons. Like, and Skowgirls, I'll play Beowulf and, you know, Warwick, you know?

Yeah, yeah, he's got some beast can and stuff like that as well. So I'll go off rule of cool. That's it. Like, for me. Yeah. Like I love, I love Rule of Cool. Like when I saw Broly, dude, like, like, Ju-Chu, I'm like, hey, like, badass, like, all right.

Yeah. No, 100% same, but hard all the way. Like, I'm like, I was playing Guilty Gear Strive no matter what, but Nagor Ryuki, yo, what? Like, you made, you, you, you, yo, black vampire fucking sick ass, like, mechanic of the blood thing. Everything about that is just, I love everything about it. I'm like, yeah, I'm locking into this more than the game itself.

So, rule of cool all the way. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Neil Maynir, like, I love Leo. Like, yeah. And I also love charged characters, too, which is a dying breed, uh, as well. They're going away. They're going away. Uh, Froda. Going away. Anything you're looking forward to? Anything coming up that you're kind of scoping out?

Yeah, I'll be traveling to Paris tomorrow, uh, for EWC. And I'll be there for like 10, 11 days doing some stuff. So, uh, and, um, my wife's coming with me, our five year anniversary, our five year anniversary. Congrats. Congrats. Congrats. Awesome. Thank you. And so it'll be fun. We're going to probably go to Denmark and a couple other places. And then when I get back, the TFT set releases. So it's good timing. Okay.

Are you getting some days to kind of like, you know, yeah, take off and just enjoy the ride out there? Yeah. I think I'll be taking some days to like go see some friends and like, I have a lot of buddies in Europe that I don't really get to see because I actually lived in Europe for a couple years of my life. Oh, cool. And so it was like a really good experience. I made a lot of friends, but I haven't seen them in a really long time. so it'll be really nice. What country?

I lived in Germany. In Germany. I lived in Berlin, but I was traveling around so many different places. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. It should be a good time. Hell yeah. Now, I've got a question for you, Frodan. Is it your first time in France or Paris?

No, I actually went there last year for the TFT Open. And then last year for EWC as well, because our boot camp for our TFT team was in Paris. Why do you ask? I've just, you know, I've been to Paris a lot and obviously I'm French Canadian, so I have a bit of a French heritage. And I got to just put you on to the Jean-Boubarre sandwich. If you've never had it, it's basically ham and butter on a baguette. Have you ever had that?

No, no. What? You got to have it. You got to have it. You must have it. Okay. You got to have it. I'm telling you.

It's delicious. It's the words for our ham and butter sandwich, basically. Yeah. It's just ham it's literally ham butter and on a bag of bread. it's amazing. Oh, that sounds lovely. Ham and butter on a baguette. Why do you create something

fancy ass words, man? It's just those are regular words. I mean, a good baguette. There's the French version. A good baguette, admittedly, is like, okay, it, it... In Paris, you're hard to find bad baguettes.

Like, you know. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm down. I feel like I got to make the trek at some point and then use my weird Quebec-O French to see if... They're not going to like. that, Willie.

I can't like that. I hear not, but I'll try anyway. Depends on which ones. I don't think it's as bad nowadays, but yeah. Dethy, what, what are you looking forward to? Anything going on with you? Oh, looking forward to,

I mean, right now, I'm just, you know, whenever the next deadlock patch comes out, but with deadlock, you never know whenever it's going to come out. Like, it could literally come out like next week and it could come out in two months. Like, we truly have no idea.

So I'm looking forward to that, but basically until then, I'm kind of in mode like, chill a little bit more. playing a little bit more old school ruinscape and just focusing on my my personal life you know my my fitness my my nutrition just kind of like I feel like I always have to grind something in life right now so right now I'm grinding my personal life grind your wrist protection as well grind your right it was just the keyboard okay like my wrist my hands I play video games for a living like you know easily eight plus hours a day

and my hands have always been fine and I've always taken good care of them but I don't know what it is the keyboard with 2XCO, that definitely was not doing it. So I want to play more fighting games. Like I'd love to learn street fighter. Street Fighter, I think, would actually appeal to me a lot. Street Fighter and Tekken, so if he was trying to sell me on Tekken a little bit, because of the movement aspect. In Deadlock, I

love movement, and I play a lot of movement characters. And I've always loved, like, movement. So I played TF2 competitively. That's kind of like my background, like, where I came from. And I played, for those of you that know, Team Fortress 2, I played Soldier, and I loved, like, rocket jumping. That was like a huge. huge thing that I love. I've also played some quake.

But overall, like, I think 2XCO was a lot of fun, but I don't really like playing it alone, and I think I'd love the, like, more traditional, like, one-v-one fighters a bit more. Okay. Well, yo, couch is right over there when it's not tornado yellow sky season outside. We'll figure this out, you know? We'll get it done. All right.

Sure. We're going to just close out here. Take a letter from the, audience over here. May it a good one because we got a lot of answers incoming. Okay, this one is called

LARP tubing is baffling me. Good day Super LARP friends. Yomi here. There's a new trend among Gen Z that I found through Jesse Cox called LARP tubing and it's not people making content playing D&D in the woods or anything. This is people larping as YouTubers

from the mid-2010s. Channels such as Larp Puty Pie, LARPlier, LARP theory, have been popping up and these are people recreating the journey of these YouTube careers, playing the same games, having the same reactions, matching their mannerisms, etc. When I told my D&D group about this, we all had the same reaction, confusion. I don't see the value in this other than maybe recreating these people before some of them went on to be monsters or did something shitty, perhaps.

So it's not for me, but it does feel very bizarre. How do y'all feel about this? And how would you react to someone making a LARP parody of best friends or anything like that? I feel like I've dodged a bullet that that wasn't included in your description. Yeah. It's already happened for my group. What is this? Yeah.

Yeah. So there's a guy on TikTok. I don't know what his exact tag is. But I keep getting tagged. Like someone tagged is like, Gary. someone's warping as the shenanagoons and I'm like badass I really don't care honestly like as like I mean obviously it's not me so honestly god if that's when they won't to spend their time on by all means like fucking do it um I'm pretty sure they're also like white so they came and say

niggas so you're not really larping actually in the first same like or that's a whole other road to go. Right? That's on them, bro. Like, um, no, my, my initial reaction,

that shit's crazy. Like, I feel like, okay, homageing things feels like that's totally fine. I've seen there, there's been homage channels and, and things like that as well.

There's something really cool from back in the day was like, um, multilingual homage channels where they'd be like, it's the same kind of set up, but like in doing it in Spanish or doing it in French or doing it in another language and kind of reaching a different audience in that way. There were two Russian guys that did like a bunch of our, re4 videos exactly like his translation that's cool um doing the same reactions and trying to recreate

the exact moments that sounds fucking nuts though that sounds weird i don't know like i feel like you don't have to you can do something in homage but you don't have to fake the performance of what you're reacting to or trying to make the same jokes happen you know what i mean like i don't know maybe i'm just not fully getting the context here but i don't get a i don't get a lot of things i don't there's a lot of things I don't get. I don't get like R peeing or larping like on its base form but this I really

extra don't get it all. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. It sounds as weird as you've described it Yomi. I'll leave it at that I suppose. And one last one here. Dear Ingrid Explorer and Lauren Joyer,

Dear Ingrid, Lauren Joyer, and Apologist respectively. This is from Rob. writing in to tell you a first-hand experience of seeing the latest Street Fighter 6 marketing pushes actually working. I'm a casual enjoyer of Ludwig's content, but someone from the FGC that I didn't particularly care about at the Evo show match. The results made me go back and watch it. A coworker of mine is more of a big Ludwig fan, and we talked about it after the match. He then asks how into SF6 I am. He asks because he was inspired to buy a copy from that show match, and not only that, but he said he wants to learn now because he's going to main Tifa, someone he's loved as a long time

FF7 fan. He has no interest in fighting games until these two things came together. So overall, I'm happy a co-workers interested in getting into Street Fighter, but man, it's crazy to see the marketing actually doing its job in real time. Well, I mean, I think Wully you yourself is like a really good example of that. Like I remember

the Punishing Grey Raven, like Dante thing happened. Yeah. And like, that didn't get you into punishing Grey Raven, but you did download the fucking app and buy the character, which is a huge step from nothing. Yeah. No, 100% it worked. And as somebody who's like, guest characters have been something I've always been like, if it's cool, if it fits, then that's dope. I like original more so. But I can't lie that like something that is keeping or these games massive. And Street Fighter 6 is doing incredibly well in Japan especially. And it's at the peak with everything. And Tifa dropping is going to be another nuke for that. It's, it's healthy for the game. It helps. I think that's dope. I'm glad to see that working out.

yeah I mean that's that's pretty much my take on it I don't know I just don't want to get to the sole caliber guest character's place of like okay

yeah here comes Yoda you know or even you know or even Is there a game that's getting like What about Nolbo and Oh God Exactly Yeah

I love to watch Diaphone Cooking up to show match Ronaldo, man. Ronaldo versus Metzzy, man. Yeah. No. No, Ferry and Bokke and Tekken. Guilty Gear's drive is getting another character.

Yeah. Trude Nigan and Tekon 7. Yeah. I remember, I don't know what Evo it was, but like when they faked the snake for Tekin. Oh, that was in the state. Yeah. I was in.

I was so early. I'm playing Tekon. I mean, you got me. Just call in and do like it. It was an ego promo, but they just used it at the wrong fucking time. Like, you can't do that. I was so ready to play Tekken, bro. Like, I'm like, Snake and Tekin makes sense to me.

Like, there's already people that shoot guns in the game anyway. No, they're in. Like, all right. Like, I think they learned to not fuck around with the trailer presentation by having someone come out and be like, all right, everybody, look over here. Yeah. Um, okay. I don't know.

As a couple years ago, like, the old producer for my street fair across Tek and came on stage and then like teased, and then I teased the game and then ran off stage. Yeah, oh yeah, that shit is well, God, right. So weird. I think that's why Harada quit, so he didn't have to make that fucking game. All right, all right. He heard that Tifa was going to be in Street Fighter, so he didn't want to be there when everyone got pissed.

That tech and didn't get Tifa. Yeah, yeah. No, that's about it. All right, yo, thanks so much, everybody. Please let the listeners know where they can tune into more and where they can find you guys. taking it from the top, Deathy.

Yeah. You can find me on YouTube. I'm just Deathy on there. I got lucky. I got the original Dehty. No extra letters anything. Oh, that's pretty great. Good for you.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. On Twitch, I'm Deathy, D.L. It does not stand for down low. It stands for Deadlock. So, yeah, that's where you can find me. Okay.

Diaphone. Yeah. So you can find me at Diaphone underscore on YouTube and Twitch. Actually, I think they both link on YouTube, but either way, I'll be grinding Avatar and Tokon. So if you want to see that, come check me up. Cool. You know, do some, do some Kyoshi shit. I want to see, I want to see what's going on with that character.

Rodan, how's it going? It's going all right. I stream over at twitch.tv slash Frodan. But if you ever are interested in trying out TFT, I made a website that will help you get into it. It's called TFT Academy. So it's one of those things. it's one of those things where like you don't have to follow my channel you have to watch it but if you ever hear about TFT ever again

just check out TFT Academy I think it's like one of the best sites you can use to learn the game and uh and immediately plug in and get results like I promise if you use it um you'll climb infinite ranks so and that's the website that I uh I mainly used for my content and update stuff awesome actually did use it funnily enough uh Zane boom there you go testimonial I didn't even pay him Zane where can people find you I am I and Zane FGC on both Twitch and YouTube.

And right now just grinding the heck to S-K-O. And of course, we'll be adding Tokon and Avatar to that. No Kiyoshe. Sorry, but Sahir and Ozai, fingers crossed. We'll see when we actually get to see those characters. Hell yeah.

And Zy-6. You can find me on Twitter at underscore Z-S-X underscore by YouTube. You can look up Zy-6-U-S-U-S-U-S-U-S-U-S-U-S-U-S-U-S-W. And then my Twitch is Twitch. B slash the OSX underscore.

We're probably going to be playing Deadlock or Marvel rivals. Deadlock, like tonight. Like, sometimes tonight. Yeah, I didn't, okay, so I got my child was like, oh, level 10, I'll play deadlock. And then I will play

deadlock. And then they're like, level 13. I'm like, okay. So I think at some point, I'm just going to do a week of like deadlock and then just see what happens. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't have, like, a particular goal. but I've been playing what's this guy's name

I'm literally I have it up right now Abrams right now not Abrams actually Vinator I've been I've been playing I like the old I like clicking on Drew's heads

and they explode so I don't have a lot of aura yes I think for every time I get to kill I'm going to read a passage from the Bible Let's go baby That's pretty good

Yeah yeah yeah He's basically like a priest he's basically like a like a murderous priest yes like I was that happened sometime tonight I was doing that in DNF dual with the priest as well while doing combos so that's fucking hell yeah that's perfect

um pat what's going on this week I mentioned it earlier but this week uh tomorrow I'm playing F 14 with you on Thursday I'm playing FF 14 with Hina Ecto Hina and Ecto only Friday's Power World Saturday

is Grand Blue Fent oh my what's the fucking title Grand Blue Fantasy Relink versus Endless Shrimp, whatever the fuck The next thing Yeah And then on Sunday I'll be going back to Power World

And that's it That's all going to be starting at Mostly 7 p.m. Pacific Yeah And going into the ass end of the night My end, Willie Willie versus on Twitch and YouTube FF 14 tomorrow

Dark Souls after that And this Saturday I think actually gonna take a break going to do some family stuff. But also want to just remind anybody who didn't get their hands on it. We got a new shirt that we announced last week. You could go check out the Castle Super Beast legacy shirt. It is literally a shirt made out of all the titles of every episode that we have had up until this point.

And there's a logo in negative space around it. You can go over to Orchid8.com slash collection slash Castle Superbeast and you can get it. And look, some of those titles are not fit for proper dinner conversation. Hey, listen. But if you're, if you're a real CSB fan, you'll send us a photo of you wearing this shirt in the airport. In public. The text is gray on black and it's a nice quality shirt. So if they have to get close enough to talk to you, then you can explain the context, you know?

So there you go. That's my, that's my push. Yo, Spex, thank you so much for joining us and for jumping on. Everybody, take care. Peace out. Spex and Five, baby. Say it, Pat. Say it, Pat.

Say it, Pat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go.