Castle Super Beast - SBFC 014: Escalate Immediately to Gun Violence

Episode Date: November 12, 2013

Special episode you guys! This week the friendcast welcomes FilthieRich from Double Helix onto the show to get into some Killer Instinct Hype! After discussing the next generation of gaming that starts this week, we talk about the PSN Eula, the early Xbox One shipments from Target.Got a question for us? Send it to: [e-mail]

What if it's- No. What if it's Banderas? Would you do anything with Banderas? No, it's Spidey Gaben. Come on, you guys. Oh, the only Gaben ribs you the right way. You know, I'm not going to wait to tell that story. Some dude fucked an Oculus Rift? Yeah. The fuck? No, he didn't fuck an Oculus Rift. He fucked a robotic contraption while wearing an Oculus Rift.

That's way less sexy. Yeah, because he's at like a trade show and they're like, here, test the thing. And it's unclear as to whether or not the guy's dick is in the machine. It doesn't look like it. It looks like it's just strapped to his waist and he's testing it. Yeah. But we don't have a good enough glimpse. No, it's a robotic dick holder.

Alright. Connected to a PC. Yeah. Probably by a USB. There we go. And that measures your dick thrusts. Nice. And then there is the Oculus Rift, which he is wearing, to get the full 360 degree 3D experience

of virtual girl or whatever the fuck. Some anime girl. It's an anime girl. And it's being broadcast on a TV in front of him and people are walking by him and can see the screen. Giving thumbs up. And can see him fucking this robot, which is like in several pieces. But to him it's the real girl.

Yeah, to him it's the real 2D girl. Liam is an advocate of this virtual reality future that we're heading towards. What the fuck, man? What the 3D? I'm out. No. I always thought we were going to get the sex robots before we got to virtual sex. Well, that's what we're testing it.

It really is the other way around. No, we're testing this. We're testing the way it works first. And it's a lot cheaper to make it this way. We're queuing it right now. The only thing that game lacks is a DMC style meter at the... Saber! Sensational!

Godlike! Only that face you're making. It's like you want it. He's thinking about it. Everybody, welcome to episode 14. No, it's 15. 14. 16.

Like years old. Like the virtual girl. It's like my birthday that I can never remember. 14th day of the 14th month. Only wants to have sex with the boss when he's 14. You can do that in Oculus Rift. I can't even explain how anti I want that. That is so...

Sorry, not zero. I mean like standard vario suit. Like the boss and any type of sexuality just make me like... But she had a baby though. That's sexy. Yeah, I know. And I don't like thinking about it. It's like mom having sex.

You don't want to think about that. I think about you're thinking about it right now. You're parents having sex. No, they don't do that. You don't want to think about it. You don't want to think about it. You don't want to think about it. You don't want to think about it.

You don't want to think about it. But parents having sex. No, they don't do that. No, that's not something that happens... You just... You came out like a Murdo Dragon? Yeah. Pretty much just fucking...

This is one bad Jogo. Gentlemen, what has been happening in your lives? Uh, what did I do? Me, Liam, and you, cause you were busy on Thursday. But we saw the Thorz. The Thorz, we saw him busy on Thursday? You said some guys are coming too. Oh yeah, sure.

I was busy. I forgot that you paid. I don't know what days are anymore. So, Dark Worlds. Dark World. Thor and Link. All right. Thor and Link?

Yeah. Dark World team up. Let's go. I'm not getting it right. No rule. Whatever. Never mind. I thought you were...

He's doing a really bad offence. I thought you were just fucking up Loki's name. Speaking of which, the movie should have been called Loki, Dark World. Well, I heard that they rewrote lines specifically for him, and he went and looked over the script and went, nah, needs more Loki over here. Just, I want one more. Admittedly, every scene Loki was in was awesome. Oh, but he's got to be in the movie.

We can't get a new guy. It's too... Oh, jeez. Yeah, pretty much. Hiddleston, right? Tom Hiddleston. Hiddleston, like, basically has turned himself into Loki in real life. There's a picture of him hanging out of the SUV going, yeah!

He's dressed up as Loki. Or he's reading books to kids. He's super into it, and I love the idea that he's going to steal the show and everything from now on. Yeah, pretty much. But I was going to say, like, you take Thor, who's pretty much, like, let's say Superman. He's a weird alien. He's super powerful.

And he's a good guy. And he lives two lives, and he's got a woman-human, like... A woman-human. One of my top five genders. Yes, next. Woman-human, and I'm like, why... Woman first, human later. Ah, exactly.

Yeah. You're nailing it. It's just, at the end of Man of Steel, which Pat, I believe you still have not watched. Yeah, fuck that. I'm jealous of you. Fuck that. I'm so jealous. I'm super jealous.

You had nothing going on. You had tons of innocent people getting killed. Well, just like Superman would have loved. There's nothing was going on. Things were going on. But nothing was going on in terms of, like, what were the stakes? We're not sure yet. Like...

Oh, no, I have to save Metropolis. Oh, I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. So we're watching a final battle that... Zach was going on. That's what's what. Yeah, Zach's matters.

Zach was... We're watching a final battle that had a lot of shit going on, and a lot of different tones. But I was like, this is entertaining the shit out of me. Well, what really surprised me? Well, I shouldn't have been surprised, but I kind of forget that Thor... It never really took itself seriously from part one. No. The second one is especially...

It's almost as comedic as it is action-packed. Well, it's as comedic, but I feel like the story's way less interesting for the second one. Really? Because all the previous stuff is like grim-dark. Yeah. Yeah. But that's like the first ten minutes of the movie. No, the last ten minutes of the movie.

Both, I guess. But the whole middle, the ice cream of this proverbial sandwich. It's really just goofy hijinks. Yeah. That's weird. Cat dittings. Because... Yeah, cat dittings.

You know, privacy is the fact that I think comics are dumb. But every time I ever saw something about Thor that I went, that's pretty good. It was always the goofiest bullshit. It would be like that time Thor got a creamsicle. Like he saved New York and some guy gave him a creamsicle. That's great. I love that goofy shit. So, taking Thor away from ultra serious comic book.

Like, what's... Nolan-isms. Right. Taking Thor away from that seems like the smartest thing they could possibly do. Like, not even a spoiler, but just... Dude, he walks into like a three and a half and hangs Mjolnir on a coat right now. Yeah. With silence going on and he does it kind of awkwardly.

He just hangs the hammer up like, what? Meow meow. Meow meow. Yeah. Other than that, I played a bunch more Phoenix Wright. How many cases you win now? Three. Who's going?

Okay, well... No spoilers, please. No spoilers, but let me just say this. Is that like... I know that voice. Is that Athena is, again, like without even trying, you always... Capcom's always able to make something. Now I might be controversial in saying this.

A better protagonist than Maya Fey. Why? I hate Maya Fey. She's the worst... She's the worst. She's the worst. I'm super happy to do it. She's the worst sidekick character ever.

Right now, I want to say it's Athena. Athena, Trucy, Kay Faraday, Pearl, then Maya. I would put Kay as second over Trucy. Fair enough. But most of that's the same. The problem with Maya is that her character exists to be stupid. And it's that Japanese trope character of I'm a lazy ass, but I'll still come out in the end. And the only thing she ever did was she turned into other characters that were more useful than her.

And she would say something really, really stupid. Like, why don't you just fill it with hot dogs? And Phoenix would go, that's the secret to the case. I haven't seen the other sidekicks, but I really don't like her. Yeah, nobody likes her. She's not great. And her design is boring. The design's kind of boring.

No, I haven't experienced Pearl. Oh, you can get the Pearl. Okay. Pearl's okay, I guess. Pearl's great, yeah. And I played a bunch of the Angry Video Game Nerd Adventures game. And that game is actually super funny. There's all those indie games that we all know that the ones that are like, hey, remember these?

This does super well at taking the most NES hard, but still keeping it all consistent that it doesn't constantly change the rules. Does it just have levels from the games that you play? Almost. There's one world called Asphaltvania. Okay. And then there's one world called Beat in and Eat It, which is just the world of Atari porn games. And the final boss is Custer from Custer's Revenge.

And he's shooting Giz on you. Of course he is. So that was what I did. I played Custer's Revenge long. It's always a good week when you play Custer's Revenge. Dude, all I've been playing all week is State of Decay. It came out on PC, it's fucking amazing. What inspired you to...

Oh, it came out on PC. It came out on PC. State of Decay is a XBLA game that cost 20 bucks. It came out last year. And everyone started to go nuts about it. Oh my god, this is the greatest. And then I would look at reviews and said... And you didn't fart in its general direction.

No, I looked at the reviews and they all said the same thing. Wow, this game's amazing. Boys, it fucked up and broken. It buggy as hell. The frame rate's awful. There's clipping and tearing. All the horrible indie standbys, I guess. And at the end of all of those was like,

wait for the PC release that they've confirmed is coming next year. So I actually waited. There was a game I wanted to play and this time I actually waited. And goddamn am I happy because the console version, it's like 20 frames a second and it tears all the time. And it's like... It's the PC version. I can make it okay.

It's okay. And this is basically the fetishistic zombie survival game in which you are giving a huge open map a la Grand Theft Auto and you scavenge for supplies and build up a base and get survivors. Word on the street is that it plays you as much as you play it. I'm thinking like... You turn the game off and it keeps playing. You turn the game off and when you go back it says

wait for three days or whatever because you weren't doing... Your character wasn't doing anything to help out in three days. This is what happened. This guy's dead. This place is infested. This guy's got the plague. Like right now, right before I signed off and came here, I was playing it and one of my dudes got the plague.

Just the plague? The black fever they call it. But whatever. The zombie disease. Oh, okay. Correct. And... I feel like there was a zombie disease and there was a plague.

He catches the zombie disease and I say, hey man, if he doesn't get any better, you're going to have to deal with him. Yeah. And I turn it off and I'm thinking about every time that I'm not playing that game, there's the likelihood that I could go back to my game and he is already gone. Yeah. Is there a limit to the number of slots of shit that could happen to you in this game or does it just tally up over a year?

So all the... Yeah, there is. It stops after about a week. And it generates it based on events as to where you left the game. If you left the game completely fucked up and everyone's on the verge of death and there's infestations everywhere, you can come back and it'll be even more fucked up. But if you leave it cleaned out and everybody's nice and stocked and happy, you'll come back and say, oh, we used ten bullets to stop the thing.

Okay, but it's not like you turned it on six months later and you have zero items. The maximum downside is like three days, I think. And if you leave it in a perfect enough state, like the best place you can leave the world, you can come back and you'll have more supplies. I was going to ask that. Because people will have gone out in your clean world and gotten them. Despite you not doing anything. Yeah.

Okay. It is such a weird non AAA game in that all the characters have permadeath. You will eventually unlock new playable characters. But if they die, they're dead. And if they all die, you're done. Yeah. Resources do not respawn. The game has a finite level.

You go to a house and resources will randomly generate when you go in there. And if you take all of them, that house is now dry forever. You will never get anything else from that house. So the crux of the narrative is you start in a little small town and it's not too bad. And then you start to run out of resources. And you have to move to a bigger, much more dangerous area. It's great. It is everything that I wanted.

What do we talk about that these games are coming out way too fast? These good games are coming out way too fast? And what's the game that's still not out? Daisy. This is helping me get over the fact that Daisy is not out. Yeah. Because it was in development before Daisy, I believe. And it's so Daisy that it's nuts that you look at it and you're like, they muster it.

No, it was before. So this is distinctly not crawling around and shanking things. This is shooting. It's both. Melee. Because now that you've played Last of Us. It is a considerably jankier Last of Us with the same mix. The basic way that encounters are created is a big open world and zombies will populate wherever, right?

Sometimes they get into big groups and everything's governed by a sound meaner. Everything you do makes sound. Running makes sound. Sprinting makes tons of sound. Gunshots ping your entire map. All gunfire has to be headshots or else it doesn't count. And melee weapons, sometimes they'll kill with a random swing. But usually you have to knock them down and do a finisher on them.

So it gives you the actual scenario that I feel like every zombie game has failed where one zombie trivial, two zombies, five zombies run. There's no in between. You either have to pull the gun out and take all five out, which could ping the entire map. And it's just this big open sandbox. Everything in it works how your brain thinks that zombie fantasy survival scenario would work. I think what you're trying to say is it has immaculate design. I would say yes.

It's very mechanics focused and has great design. What's the phrase all of them people like to use, emergent gameplay? Moment to moment. It's filled with bad shit. It's filled with moments where I'm driving a truck. I run over a horde of zombies. I did not pay attention how fucked up my truck is. My truck is now on fire.

There are three or four of them grabbing onto the truck. I bail, get past the truck sprinting. Truck explodes, takes out half of them. Their default movement speed is faster than your jog but not faster than your sprint. But your stamina is extremely limited. So I see a car like 200 feet away and end up into a mad dash where when I run out of stamina I'm running around to take headshots of the guys who have gotten too close before I can make it to the car and eventually get out of there.

And how much of that sick sequence was QTEs or cutscenes? No, it was nothing. Exactly. It's because I said I can run these fuckers over and I totally could. That's great. And how much of that is sandbox and how much of it is like there's actually like a little bit of a story happening. There's a really small amount of the story. It's kind of like GTA in the fact that the story missions only exist to teach you about a new concept.

So I just did a story mission that's like, hey, our current home is really small. Maybe you want to go out and look for a bigger place. And once you do it, you can then move your group to other larger locations. Or when you meet a new character, she's like, I used to be in the military. That's her story. Yeah. Or you'll get a radio call. It's like, hey, there's people trapped in this house and you go save them and they stay there.

And that teaches you that you can get neighbors and you have to get their trust up like you're playing Civ. It's fucking, there's so many mechanics and they all work together really, really well. The only thing that doesn't work really, really well is running around, shooting guns, doing melee, technical performance, the game of the game. It's been improved on the PC, but you're not, it doesn't play like Last of Us. It doesn't play like Resident Evil. It plays like a kind of janky freedom fighters. Like Cold Fear. Yeah.

It should have been a D3 game kind of thing. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. But more than anything, it feels like we couldn't get a publisher to help us. So that's why it's Microsoft published. And we made this great thing. And it's indie as hell. Yeah.

Okay. I love it. If you have a decent PC, you should check it out. But if not, it'll be just as busted as before. They're kind of come out with DLC that's just pure sandbox, that's random start, difficulty selected, and just go and play the game infinitely. And when the map is dry, you go to the same map, but harder. Okay. That's a good idea.

Nice. Liam, what's going on with you? Not much. I played a whole buttload of Phoenix, right? I'm on Trials and Tribulations now. Boy, the ending of two was super good. Otherwise, like, didn't do a whole lot this weekend. But I went to Future Shop and Best Buy.

Oh, okay. Oh, yes. Your Odyssey. Yeah. If anyone didn't hear in Canada, which is really far away from here. Yeah, you had to drive for days. No, yeah, it was crazy. It was worth it, though.

It was worth it. All $100 of gas money. Yeah. They had an offer. You could trade in any Wii U, PS3, 360, 3DS, or Vita game. Any video game. Pretty much any video game, except for the Wii. And you get a free copy of Assassin's Creed 4, Call of Duty, Ghost, or Battlefield 4 on

the, on current gen. Yeah. Now, to a lot of people that's just like, oh, I don't want this, like, casual streamline. Yeah, yeah, well, shut up, whatever. It's free money. So I went at like 7.45 in the morning, pulled out my folded chair, and practiced for the PS4 launch by waiting to get a free copy of the game. Yes.

How are you practicing for the PS4 launch? These things take work. When you're telling me that somebody, you know a person who knows a person, and that's how you're getting your PS4. I did, but that didn't pan out. Oh, shit. Because we're not allowed to just walk into the back of the store. Oh, shit.

Anyway. So you got to fight the plebs. Yeah. So I did like five hours of aggregate waiting at three different stores. Got three games at the end of the day. Should have got a three-hour train. James Odyssey. Oh, it was, it was a lot of fun.

What's your score? What's the take? My score? Yeah. Uh, 700. No. No. No.

Not scores. It's like scores in Heist, you shit. At the end of the day, I swapped in Mortal Kombat, Warhawk, Disgaea 3, Hate Disgaea. And I ended up. Especially 3. Especially 3. And I ended up with Killzone and a fully paid off pre-order for Assassin's Creed 4 on PS4.

So a really good score in the end. I ended the tour. I didn't, I didn't do the tour, but I just went out around like two hours after you did. Yeah. Apparently. I was second in line. Yeah, you were second in line. I went in around nine o'clock.

Uh, two hours in the cold. Yeah. Up hill both ways. Oh yeah. And your feet fell off. Oh yeah. Um, but I traded in my KOF 12 second copy for a good old Assassin's Creed. You should have given them both out of the video.

Now these are current gen versions, right? Yeah. So how'd you get Killzone? You then sold them back. You sold them back. There's trade up offers at different stores. That's genius. So like if you pre-order watchdogs at EV Games, you get 30% more credit.

So you're gaming the system part. Oh yes. The Liam and a couple other dudes we know are just, they're part of the, the trading hustle. Right. God is trying to break in on that so far. Yeah. He's mad, he's mad that Liam cheated the system. I'm sorry I cheated the system.

Because what they do, they go in, they find the most garbage bargain bin games. And they'll, they'll look at two games and whichever one is the most garbage, they'll choose that one. Yeah. Get the, the duffel bag, go in, trade them in, do these types of deals, then go back to EB. Yeah. And do the $10 trade-up.

Yeah. Their special trade-ups. Yeah, exactly. Man. I, I find this, this huge trade in promotion super interesting because it makes me think that retail is afraid of digital. I, I think there's a lot of different dimensions to this one. I think they just want to get rid of the stock that they don't want to sell.

They'd rather sell. But some of those are the biggest sellers of this holiday season. Yeah. Well, rather sell to you on the new assistance. On, on the one hand, you're right. Some of them are the biggest sellers. On the other hand, these ones are tracking way under the previous entries in all three series.

Yeah. Ghosts ain't doing so good. And also at, at the same time, yes, Next Gen's coming out. I'm sure they have really high tracking numbers for, for those iterations. Mm-hmm. And like. Oh. It's a gamble for them basically doing this instead of the 50% off on day one.

Speaking of weird tracking numbers for the Next Gen versions, did you see that the UK Call of Duty Ghosts numbers came out? Oh, those are funny. Yeah. The UK Call of Duty Ghosts says 64% were bought on 360, 32% on PS3. Yes. And this is the kicker. 3% on PS4, which is not out yet for three weeks.

3% on PS4. And then less than 1% are Wii U and PC retail combined. Yeah. So the Wii U has been outsold by the PS4 in a game that's not out. Damn. That, like, that paints the picture. You told me last week the UK's weird. The UK's bizarre.

The UK hates Nintendo, apparently. And loves Batman. Yeah. Sure. But anyway. All right. Yeah. That was other than that.

Like, I don't know if you saw any, like, any crazy tales in line, but I mean, when I was, because when I was online, I saw this girl holding a copy of Afrosamurai. Yeah. You mentioned this. Yeah. And I was looking at it. I was like, hmm. I don't, it's a nice, I'm just curious because I've never seen the game.

You're Afrosamurai. I'm curious. Yeah. And then I was like, fuck it, whatever. Because I brought, like, my, my extra tourney copies of vanilla, vanilla Marvel, and then KF12, whatever. And then dude behind me in line just straight up goes, yo, Afrosamurai. Like, I will take that off your hands here.

Take Chromehounds. Like, I will trade that up. And just like, yeah, okay, whatever. You know, like who cares? Yeah. You know, so I can only assume other people came out and found other games. Oh man. From other, from people not knowing what they were trading games.

Chromehounds is a perfect trading game. Because that game doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. And, and, and my, my friend that worked today. Neither does Afrosamurai really. I don't know anything about it. And my friend that worked today was telling me, he was like, yo, some, some person just was in line and they dropped their bag and like some games fell out.

And one of the games that fell out was Devil May Cry Collection. No. And some dude from like 20 spots away just marched over and went, I will take that off your hands. Like, you know, like, no, what are you doing? That's great. That's great. What are you doing?

Yeah, I saw a guy with like Eternal Sonata, which isn't great, but I'm like, is that the worst game? And then there was a guy with big bumping on the other hand. And I'm like, that's the perfect game to trade. Eternal Sonata or Star Ocean 4. Yeah. Eternal Sonata. Yeah.

Easy. What was the fucking shitty one I saw? No, what I would have traded in. I would have traded in the Eye of Judgment if it wasn't some fucking attached to all the cardboard I bought for it. You're weird, dude. I know. I like card games.

That's weird. I know. No, but yeah, people who like card games are nerds. It's true. I like the idea of going to one of these events, though, coming away with more swag than you went in. Yeah, definitely. There's something wrong with the system.

The system has failed the retailer. The retailers are just like, wait, aren't they scratching their heads in the EB? Aren't they supposed to be nickel and diamond us? Yeah. Well, this is our comeuppance here. I guess. Would you guys like to spend $3 to protect your disc? No.

No. No. There you go. Problem solved. I'm sorry. I can't wait to go into EB and get my PS4 and buy nothing. Right. Exactly.

You're getting all digital, right? But it's like the console launch experience is, you know, you're going to get the console because you're in line, right? But it's always, can I get another controller? Am I going to be able to get the games in my far enough in line? But now, just go in. It's like, no, give me the PS4. Yeah.

Were you guys around for that, like, hey, let's let me demo this disc cleaning doctor for you. That thing was grumping too. That thing was great for PS1 and PS2 games. Sure. But like forcing a demo in front of you when you're trying to buy a game. Like, fuck off. See here, here's the deal with that.

That was EB games that used to do that, right? So what I would do is I knew that they, I knew there were guys that would always give that demo. So I would go in and like buy some pieces of shit, some used pieces of shit that I could return and have like a busted game with me. And then, hey, man, you want to see this demo? Yeah. Yeah, I do.

Hey, I actually have like a fucked up game with me right here. How convenient. Could you use it on this? Yeah. And they like buff out like Zone of the Enders 2 or whatever. You want to talk about gaming the system on Liam? Look at this fucking game. Yeah.

I'm not stealing the product. The old EB games trade-in thing of you could return any used game within 14 days for any reason. That was too good. I ended up playing like half the PS2 library on $100 for that. Yeah. No, that was amazing. And it's people like me that means you can't return those games anymore.

Yeah, absolutely. The fucking, it was great while it lasted. Rude for everybody. Yeah. Just speaking of that idea, you're going to go on and pick up a PS4. I am. When the 3DS came out, I had a 3DS early. And so I was there waiting in line, playing my 3DS.

And everyone was like waiting. In front of the people. In front of the people waiting in line. And they were all peeking over my shoulder. That's horrible. Don't do that. And I was playing Tongue Fancy. And I get in and like everyone runs ahead.

And I'm just like, I just need a copy of Street Fighter. And the guy's like, wait in line. And I'm like, no, they're getting caught. Why would you go that morning? I just got Street Fighter. And I got Street Fighter. And I left. Why would you go that morning?

And people were just glaring at me. Because I wanted Street Fighter. Sure. Yeah. I ended up playing like 200 hours of Street Fighter on that thing. Like the same friend this morning, I was telling you about like it sort of, well, there's the line obviously. But what he did is he went the night before and made a pre-order.

Yeah. On the game. And then walked in. Because people who were not in line for game exchange. Well, he helped put on that in the end. At the second store. But at the first store, he went up to the pre-order booth. Not the trade-in booth.

He's like, yeah, I want a copy of Ghosts or whatever. And they're like, okay. And he's like, for purchase or trade-in. He's like, trade-in, trade-in. And the guy's like, okay, you're clever. All right. You know what? Fuck it.

Come with me. But stand over there. And then I'll go deal with this. And he actually got away with it. Geez. You know? So like, yeah, it pays. It pays.

Game in the system. How was my weekend, you ask? I did. But how was it? I... Was it super great? It was actually pretty cool. Did a lot.

I finally beat Pokemon standing in line. You did? Yeah. Kudos. You did it. 350 on my decks. Now you beat it. You mean you beat the Elite Four in the champ?

Exactly. Not really beat, beat, beat. You didn't beat it until you get all 718, man. Exactly. No, but my... Yeah, fuck that. My final clock was 62 hours there. So yeah, at that.

I also watched Life of Pi. Have you seen Life of Pi? Is that the thing with the tiger? That's the thing with the tiger. Yeah, I'm going to see it. Didn't the VFX studio that made that movie go bankrupt like right afterwards? Immediately. It went bankrupt while they were accepting the award.

Oh, yeah. That's... Yeah. Yeah. It feels good. Man, there was this thing that was really mad because Ang Lee didn't thank them when 90% of the movie was made by them. Yes.

Because there was nothing. There was nothing. There's no spoilers. It's probably not a real tiger. It's probably a CG tiger. The best CG tiger ever. Actually the best. Yeah.

The end of the credits, the last last thing is this film was made and employed over 25,000 people with over 600,000 man hours. So why aren't they in the credits? So yeah, I mean they are, but it's like it's just... They should have worked for Ubisoft. They would have gone to the credits for sure. Yeah, you know what? We make fun of Ubisoft a lot because those credits are abysmal horrible wrecks.

But no credits. But at least everybody gets to be in them. Well, they're actually now the staff of Resident Evil 7. That's basically the plan, you know. Yay! 25,000 people working out. Zombie Tigers! Yeah.

That means we're going to RE Outbreak 3! No, no, it's just in the zoo. Yeah, that was in the Outbreak series. Yo, shit, it's true. There was a zombie zoo. The elephant. Yeah, it was a boss. You could say there was a zombie.

You couldn't beat it. You had to run from it. Where's my elephant? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, no, but I did that. And this weekend, I fucking marathoned JoJo Part 5. Vento Oreo. You mean Golden Wind.

The Golden Wind, exactly. But Vento Oreo sounds better. Yeah, it does. Vento Oreo. Sounds like you got a big vent for Oreos. Is that Latin? No, it's Italian. It's Italian, okay.

Because Giorno... Yeah, it's Italian. Yeah, it's Italian. Yeah, okay. It's Italian. And who is the new JoJo? That's fucking Dio's kid. Like, who's his mom?

Dio? That's all I care about. Some woman. I'm upset by this. And they gave a little bit of context for it, but it was kind of moral. I'm kind of upset that Dio would have a kid with a lady. Dio is... They dress a little bit.

I'm not going to have a kid because they don't want anyone usurping me. It actually straight up says no. To Dio, women are tools and food. He kills so many chicks in phantom blood. But this woman was a little bit craftier. She got the dick. She snuck it off of him. No, but man, oh man.

If I had to sum it up in two words... You're a freezer condom trick. That's the one. If I had to sum it up in two words, it's unapologetically fabulous. Is it because of the man cleavage? Oh man, you got the man boob window going on. You've got like posing to the hardest, like sparkles that are actually in the world. Not just for effects.

And in sparkles. That's my favorite kind of sparkles. When you see the shot of sparkles and you put sparkles. And then you see a shot of someone else's perspective of that character. And the sparkles have retained their location in 3D space. And you're like, wait, what? Those are real? Eagle Eye readers can see that there's shadows on the ground from the sparkles. They have mass.

Do any of you guys watch Kamen Rider Kabuto? No. Bits. Okay, the third Kamen Rider in that show. He's a hairstylist and he does a JoJo style transformation to the Kamen Rider. And at one point he's doing it in a room and some character walks up. And there's huge pink lights shooting out from underneath the door. And he goes, what? It's the best.

No, and so, yeah, this thing is nuts. And again, not even really a spoiler, but just awesome action shit. It's obviously being Dio's kid. He does the mara, mara, mara, mara, mara, mara. You know, like, damu damu damu damu damu. Nice. He nailed it. When he says it fast, he goes, mara, mara, mara, mara.

Yeah, it's text, guy. And so, like, there's a really fucking amazing, like, payoff moment where he's doing it to this despicable... Wait, have you finished it? Finished it. Wow. Yeah. That's nuts. Is he gonna warn everyone for spoilers before you go right into it?

No, this is not really a spoiler. Does he beat the bad guy? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not gonna say. That's not a spoiler. But no, but there's this really great damu damu damu damu that goes, like, for, like, two pages long. Yeah.

And then, like, he builds it up to the point where he just lets Lusa... REEEEEEE Great. And it's, like, wow. I can't wait to see that animated in ten years. Yeah, sure. No. But, like, the idea of, like, his genetics told him to say,

REEE Yeah, you have to. It was such your birthright. What was Dad like? He was a horrible asshole monster. But he did this cool Renoing. Make sure you are happy with him. He once said goodbye to someone.

Yeah. I definitely recommend it. It gets even wackier and crazier. Like, four was the point where Araki just went, Fuck it, literally ghosts slash aliens are now here. No rules. And from there on, there's no turning back. So JoJo's getting great, and I'm gonna start Stone Ocean tomorrow.

That was me. That was what I did. Okay. Congrats. Thank you. Nothing about us. What's just happened in the world, guys? Nothing about us.

Shit. Here comes game news. Hey, Pat, what happened to four days? Next gen! Whoa! Not to four days! Three days, technically. Yeah, well now, three days.

Congrats viewers. You're in the future. We are so, oh, Liam and I are so excited. We're so excited. How excited are you? Well, Banderas though. Remember last gen when leaning over and biting your hand? Like, mmm, Antonio Banderas?

Remember last gen when no one was excited about anything? Yeah. Well, now this time, there is excitement. There are some things to be excited about. Now, curb your enthusiasm, though. Matt, how do you feel about the coming generation? I'm cautiously, like, negative about it. Cautiously unoptimistic.

Just because, like, I, throughout our various dealings with some publishers and developers, I've heard some things, and I just have this general, like, idea of, like, things could get really bad for everyone in terms of, like... It's really easy to be cynical when you're being forced to buy a console you don't want for a game that you do. The thing is, is I think this generation, I'm excited because we're going to be seeing, at the very least, the rise of Kickstarter amazingness. And Indies are everywhere now.

That shit's legit. I think this generation, towards the end particularly, bigger Indies are going to start making the B games we miss. Yes. They're going to start making the Cow, the Kangaroos, and the Lost Kingdoms of Old. But good. Except for Lost Kingdoms was good. Couldn't you have picked better examples?

Did you have to drop? Lost Kingdoms is like drum software. Shut up. Couldn't you have said, like, Psyops and... Or Knights Contract. Psyops and Knights Contract of Old. I'm sure you guys read the wave of comments going, fucking play Psyops. No.

I played that game and I was like a baby. I couldn't beat it. It was hard for some reason. There was a lot of it. I have been dumb. I don't think it was the game's fault. It was really good though. But yeah, Indie guys are going to get there this year.

I'm really excited about that. I was also going to say the last couple of years, I don't know how many developers closed down all of them. Yeah, and they're all Indie studios now. And so, I don't know. I'm just excited for... Things are going to skyrocket in price. Whatever.

I disagree. I disagree. I think the free-to-play market will cause things to go down in price. I'm a predictable shmub, but like... Our fighting games are coming. I'm excited for these two fighting games, man. Because it's like the Avengers. The rebirth happens.

Yes. And now we're in the continuance of birth, right? Like we had... They screwed that up. No, it's not. The rebirth happened and they established themselves. Now we get the placenta of fighting games. They've established that they know how to play.

And now, the delicious fighting placenta. So squishy. Wow. I can't even follow that. I was wondering if that would knock you off your train and it did. Yep. No. Fighting game placenta.

I'm just picturing plugging in Mad Cat's arcade sticks to placenta. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And then Bridget rises out of it. Yes. But like in all seriousness, yeah. Indie games and the triple list of triple A's because like Final Fantasy 15 and like Ground Zero's look amazing.

S-class. S-S-S-class. And Phantom Pain being miracle class. Yeah. I'm finally glad that like developers are talking about 1080p in 60 frames a second. And their mistakes of last gen. Like it means that for at least the next three, four years, I won't have to upgrade my PC. Yeah.

I can have my console games if it's weird. I can have my PC games if I want. But you're not going to run into a situation where, oh wow, this console game looks like shit. Yeah. You have to play it on PC. No, things should run good. So for a while.

Yeah. Rolling with that in terms of the way things look, Mark Rubin. Mark Rubin. Oh. Right. Oh, Marky. You sent me this article. I did send you this article.

Conducted by Metro. Which is a newspaper. Not a gaming journalist or gaming website or YouTube personality or nothing. It is a newspaper. And it was probably the most like part-hitting. It is the most enlightening interview about the new consoles we have received so far. Lightening by virtue of being like. Of omission.

Sure. But like in virtue of being like non-nice. Yeah. With the guy when they sat down to interview him and putting them into awkward situations. There were moments. Which is not really great when you're trying to continue to do interviews. But he's a newspaper. He doesn't care.

Yeah. But it came to the moment of like, yo, what's the deal? What's the deal between these two consoles? Is one better? And Mark Rubin is stone silent. Can't talk about nothing. And that's the worst. Can you not talk about nothing because you don't know?

Or because people are telling you not to. I can't talk about that either. Right. So you're not allowed to. Thank you for this fantastic interview. So you're not allowed to talk about the new consoles you're working on? No. This has been enlightening.

That's ridiculous. So what did you have for lunch, I guess? No, it was just kind of funny because like it then says PR guy number two in the room. The old Gil. Simpson character. The old Gil pipes up and goes, oh, geez, oh, gosh. We really aren't ready to talk about that right now. Yeah.

Usually when interviews get conducted, you pre-approve things. I don't know how that happens. I'm not good at interviews. I guess not. Lots of star nervous laughter star moments in there. It's pretty gross. Yeah. I mean, you understand the guy, you know, it's part of the job.

His boss signed an NDA with Microsoft and or Sony. It seems more likely that it's Microsoft to not talk about the relative power of the machines. Or make comparisons. And he is being sent down to do the interview. And we're hearing from developers around on the internet that the relative power of the machines is clear and everyone knows. Yeah. And the fact that no one's allowed to talk about it is fucked up and stupid.

And the fact that no gaming journals are asking is fucked up and stupid. Well, but the other half of like, even if they ask the industry is like, as much as it looks like there's shit all over the place, it's super tightly controlled. Yeah, I know. Great and awful ways. But you should still ask. Oh, for sure. Because Mark Rubin not saying anything and in fact, letting loose that he can't say anything

says a lot about the current climate of the industry. But like, we have been getting answers. Half the ass have been no and half the ass have been sit farther away from your TV. Yeah. Like, there's a brick wall that we just can't surpass and I think it's bullshit. I don't understand what Albert Pinello, what's he at Microsoft? Senior devices manager? I don't know what that dude is doing.

He will go out and say, no man, come on. Do you know what he could tell the difference between 720 and 1080? No. Yeah. And then Microsoft will put out like Forza trailers going, man, 1080p Forza is the sickest. You're like, what? Adverbate him. Can't you just pick one?

You look less dumb. What do you guys think about the fact that Stephen Elop came out and said he's considering possibly selling the business and killing off Bing? So, back from this guy, right? Yeah, you're talking about where he's from. He's the guy who Pyle drove Nokia. Yeah, he killed Nokia. Yeah.

And then Microsoft bought Nokia and now Steve's got a promotion. So, well, he's one of the... Too spooky. Too spooky. He's one of the four candidates. The ghost of Nokia. Outside the window. He's one of the four.

Wrapping at Max Chamber Door. He's one of the four kings of Shadowlit. No. He's one of the four candidates to take over Microsoft, basically. Yeah. And then what he said, I believe, is I want to shut down Bing. Because Bing don't make no money. And I will consider looking at getting rid of Xbox.

And it's the most useless thing on my dashboard, on my 360. I can't believe this thing is still here. Go away. I'm going to the games. Yeah. And let's use it as a phrase so it's like you don't Google it, you bing it. Yeah. Terrible.

So dumb. He didn't say he was going to get rid of the Xbox brand. He said like sell it. Sell it. Sell it off to somebody who wants it. I didn't say shut. Why would you ever shut that down? No, you sell it.

It has value. You're still getting rid of it. But that news combined with the economic news of, so when, well, when Mattrick left, Xbox got folded into their devices category along with Windows Phone and all sorts of other stuff. Yes. So the numbers are coming out that Xbox is taking a huge loss this year, which isn't special.

It's the new consoles coming out, research and development, manufacturing. Well, considering they have three million units that were expensive to make and they weren't allowed to sell them. Of course, they're suffering a $2 billion deficit. It's just natural. What's nervous is that they get folded into this new division so that those losses can be hidden by, by Android royalties. So that it looks like the devices division is not losing money.

They're just breaking it. And that says to me that you're hiding it because you expect those losses to continue. If the brand did go up for sale, like who the fuck would buy it? Who would be it? Okay. Apple. No, I disagree. I just think it would be funny.

Panasonic would just like make it come back and like fill it in. I think like the three candidates that come to mind are Apple who wouldn't do it because they'd have to trash everything so it fits with their, so it works with their marketplace. They'd have to restart everything. Google who would have to restart everything too because they would want it to be an Android box and Samsung who is the only one who I think is viable. Sure. I'll do, I'll buy you.

Samsung would make the most sense because the other two are former competitors that have diverged so far. And Samsung's got a buttload of money right now because they're successful in phones. They're successful in TV. They're stealing all of Sony's money in all their other markets. Yeah. And Google wouldn't know what to do with it. Well, gaming comes.

You know, adventure they would know what to do. They would just want it to be on Android and so they'd have to trash everything and restart. So it would be a waste for them. You know. Samsung does feel like that would be the most nonsense. Samsung's the one I lean towards. And they don't have the money for it. Otherwise, I...

I agree. I should mention that Microsoft came out saying that this is total nonsense and not true and that shareholders should not start freaking out. Yeah. But we're in ridiculous speculation dream work. Oh, yeah. This is super speculation. Don't go telling people this and saying this fact.

But I can see, I can see, you know, around a water cooler. Some of these guys are going, what if we just fucking sold Xbox? Yeah. What would that do for our bottom line? I don't know. Be good. I got it. Crescent numbers.

Yeah. Like, I don't know. I don't feel like you should sell Xbox, especially not right now. Is there a single thing Microsoft has been like a success? Office. Office will never stop being a success. Android. Well...

Android royalty money was a 360, of course. Exactly. But that's eight years old. That's exactly it. That's old management. 360 was only successful for the last three years of its existence. But it ended up becoming the default console. In North America.

Well, in North America it ended up being the default, but right now you look at it, Microsoft lost all their mindshare from Xbox. They trashed that. Their brand value. Overall, it was not profitable in the long run. Did he just actually use the word mindshare? He used it. Why wouldn't you?

That's the absolute right word. I'm technically... I'm sorry you hate words more. No, I just think the bombcast would be proud. Yeah. Well, that's a good word. It was not profitable in the... It would have been if not for Red Ring.

It would have been if not for Red Ring. They squandered everything away, so sure, Xbox 360 was big for them, but at the same time, now that you look back at it, sure, Windows XP was big for them. That's super right, though. Windows 8, Windows Phone, they just bought back $900 million worth of Surface One stock that retailers wouldn't keep. And there's only so many systems they can make where we hope to be profitable by the end of the life cycle.

There's only so many where they have to actually think maybe we should sell this to them. You know what? I bet you they got a bunch left in them. Sure. Because they're rich. Yeah, of course. But real talk is this guy saying that possibly selling... That's such a ridiculous...

That's crazy, but it'll never ever. But it doesn't give you a lot of faith in the continued... It will probably happen next week. It doesn't give you a lot of faith in the continued existence of Xbox long-term when their CEO quit, the guy above him quit. Everyone's quitting. Some of the other news that was going on today was people making articles about... Or at least people seeing the...

Journalists. Journalists. Air quotes here. Journalists reading the PS3 EULA. Oh, PS4 EULA. A PS4 EULA. Rather. I saw that.

Let's let Wally open it for us. Because we have the same opinion on this. The two headlines are one, Sony may monitor and record PSN voice and text communications. And then it was followed by Sony to disallow resell or renting of PlayStation games after initially supporting it. Yes. And these are both based on the fact that the EULA and user license agreement was updated. And they introduced a couple of new statements.

The first one being that they reserve the right to monitor and, I guess, whatever. All your information including messages and communications on PSN. And the second piece being you do not have ownership. You buy licenses and you cannot resell, rent or otherwise. Without express permission. And if they decide to take your licenses away from you. Fuck you. Yeah.

They reserve the right to. What is your take here? That sounds scary, right? It does. That bit about the licenses there at the end where you don't own your games and blah blah blah. News flash, it's been that way forever. I believe since 2002. For a long time you have not owned the games.

We are in such times now that those standard things people now over and like, when did this happen? Freak out. Whoa. It starts in a post Edward Snowden world. There's two parts to that. One is those exact phrases, those exact lines have been in every consumer electronic thing you buy that has had content in it for the past like 10, 15 years.

They all have it. They're all exactly the same. The 360 has the same line. So does the PS3 and the Pina. Steam has the line in it. Steam recently changed it. The second thing is the end user license agreements are not default legally binding. Europe throws them out all the time.

The US is a little nicer to them. Canada's not. But just because you said that you don't own it in the license agreement does not mean that a court will agree with that. Well, until it's raised to that level. Until it's raised. Yeah, exactly. Obviously I think the hope here though is that whether or not it's been there the whole

time, the hope is they suddenly don't start using this. Because no matter what, even if it's been there, this on its own in an isolated environment is not great for the consumer. So we would hope they don't suddenly start to exercise these. Exactly. There is a long history of Microsoft and Sony filing patents and putting legal loopholes in there. I knew exactly.

McDonald's. No, that's not the patent. I'm thinking. I was going to give you the bicycle kit. The bicycle kit went so good. Filing patents and putting legal loopholes in things that look really scary. Sorry, Pat. I was wondering.

Sony has two amazing patents that they filed. One of them was for a stupid ad thing. The new ads. In the middle of your game, it would cut you off with an ad. And like in the infographic, there's a guy who stands up from his couch, raises his arms, and yells McDonald's before getting back to the game. I love that one. The other one was for like a PlayStation Move beta where this guy had these little orbs

strapped to his feet and arms and head. And like, you know how PlayStation Move works, right? It's motion controls. There's a soccer game on his TV. And the guy on the screen is doing a bicycle kick. And he's in his living room doing a bicycle kick. Like, ugh. That sucks.

Because when he said it, I thought he meant Liu Kang. No. I thought he had the controller game going woo. No. Every person who ever wants to play soccer games has to do it. I need the jackass skit where like Knoxville does it and just goes through a glass table behind the frame. Yeah.

Anyway. Anyway, there's a long history of these two companies putting in legal hulu polls and language that's scary and could be abused horribly. Yeah. And then they never, ever use it. Back in 2005, people were freaking out because the PS3 had a patent filed for it that would sign retail discs. Oh, I remember that one.

And would disallow used game playing on the PS3. And they never included that, obviously. This is the same controversy. They filed a patent for how to do it. And then they said, let's never fucking do that. That's it. Yeah. We know how to do it.

So until somebody actually does something, nothing to worry about. I have to say though, me feeling uneasy with the next generation and this news coincidence, I don't know. But that's, this has been going on for like a second. Now, this news is coming out. Oh. Now, now you're even, now you're justified. Little prophetic on this news.

You guys are in jail and I'm here just chilling and we'll see. Nostradomat. Yeah. If I was the anti-Nostradomats, I'd be Pachter. Yeah, actually. If Pachter said this is going to happen, then we don't have to worry. If you go back to Pachter's like a bonus round, the first time he showed up back in like 2005, he predicts how the generation will go.

That time, he is right. Right. He can call the really long game. That he puts a grain in the can. But weak to weak guesses are usually wrong. Everyone, I think you should buy fucking cell. But like also like guessing anything on a week to week basis these days is like guessing who's going to win EVO. Like, you can't do it.

I bet you can't do it. You can't do it. A fighting game player will win EVO. The best fighting game player will win EVO. Not always because they can't afford to make it out. No, the second best fighting game. Yeah, I know. Infiltration using Hakan.

I don't know. Did he just get blown up? Didn't he just get blown up with Hakan the other night? Everyone's getting blown up. You can't guess it. It's a mark of a good fighting game. No. Don't get Hakan blown up.

He's only going to get better. Don't worry. You guys catch though the target clerical error that ended up shipping a bunch. The best clerical error sent out like 150 Xboxes. And like dudes just wake up one morning and go boo. How happy would you be? Well, here's how happy you would be. You would be so happy that you would say,

Hey, everybody, I got an Xbox One. Look, oh, I'm fucking banned. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's two sides to that. The one side is like shit wasn't propped on Xbox. They weren't ready for it. The other side is thank God they only banned them till launch. And furthermore, I think the part where people like specifically publishers started getting nervous

was when he started showing prices. He's confirming prices and these guys are like, Oh, we didn't lock that down yet. Yeah. So to be clear, God gets his Xbox One in the mail super early like three days ago. Puts up tons of videos. This is look at this. Look at this.

He's confirming Call of Duty costs this. Battlefields this big in size. And he's just an innocent guy. Like he's got it. And then he gets banned. A bunch of those tweets is how much he loves it. Yeah. And it's really sad because his videos showing off the UI are the best videos

about the Xbox One I've seen. Yes. They are way, way better and more interesting than anything Microsoft has put out. I think what we were saying earlier, I'm not sure if it was you, but like that stuff has done the most positive. Oh, absolutely. And then right when that positive PR was in a nice upswing, Oh, hey guys, I'm banned.

Major Nelson confirmed that it's only a temporary ban until the 22nd. And they did offer him the trip to go out to the Xbox launch event. Which is tremendously nice of them. They're shipping them out to the launch event. But this also reveals that they can remotely brick your console. They've always been banned from Xbox Live. 3DS can do that. Brick.

3DS can do that. It's not bricks. What happened was, here's what happened. He gets banned and says, oh, I'm banned. I'm just going to play Call of Duty offline. Right? And then the next day he says, I can't play Call of Duty offline. What the fuck?

I can't do anything on this console. And you interpreted that as them bricking it. No. The anti-DRM patch is not live. And his 24 hours ran out. Oh, yeah. Because he cannot connect to live. Oh, man.

And so this shed a little light on how horrible the DRM was going to be because he can't even get into the settings. They won't let him do anything without connecting the internet. It's scary. I like the idea, though, that he can look at the console. He can look at the console. I like the idea, though, that he's now a little bit of a celebrity. Oh, yeah, in a little sense.

That might even bring him out on stage. That being said, this dude won in every metric. He got the console early, no problem. Target sent everyone who got it early 100 bucks in gift cards saying, we're sorry we sent it to you early. I don't understand what the fuck Target is doing. But okay, great. He's getting the trip to the thing.

Everybody knows this dude's Twitter thing now. He got lots of new people. He won. He's got a YouTube channel more successful than we do. The big loser here is Target, who's probably going to get slammed with fines for sending those things three weeks early. We'll get slammed with some. I wish I had pre-ordered a PS4 from Target.

And lived in a specific zone in America. Yeah, but the number trips the wrong thing. I'm not sure if this came from him, but this made me really happy. I saw a screen cap and it was like the screen that shows you all the games, all launch games, and who's playing them and how many. And like five for Dead Rising, like three for Rise, and then 112 playing Killer Angels. I love these Bones well. That's a developer slash preview environment.

I love that like Twitch style demonstration of just who's playing what and how many people. It's cool. It's great. No, no, that's what I was like. I'm sure you click on it and then you get to all the live streams. Yeah, no, that UI like. It's the Twitch presentation, which is really cool.

It looks really cool and I am baffled why we're seeing it from a leak. Yeah. Instead of like the X-Box One UI. Look at it. It's shiny. It looks decent. And at this point it's like. New management.

We haven't seen the PS4 UI either. What I was also just going to say, you're right, you're right. What I was going to say is, you know, a lot of people defend it and say, oh, it's not ready. It's not ready. No, it's ready. It has to be ready. No, it's not ready.

But look, it's ready and it looks good. Yeah. It's there. That being said, there were clearly parts that were not ready. Oh yeah, for sure. And if like Microsoft's in a fucked up situation. If they ban him, they get bad publicity. If they let him find all the fucked up broken parts of X-Box Live.

Dig in and reveal prices. Right? Yeah. Like that's bad too. So you can't ban him and you give him free stuff. Because for the sake of the publishers, man, like, oh, those poor fucking publishers and developers. Yeah, I'm not.

No, no, you said publishers. You can't take it back. No take back scenes. Yeah. Um, this episode we're actually going to do things a little bit different. Oh. A little bit interesting. It's all.

We're mixing it up. Oh my God. So, uh, listen to this one. They decided to make your Google Plus. Oh, fuck. No, that's not true. Oh God, a fucking. Did you see that post where it's like, founder or co-founder of YouTube makes first comment

in eight years. And the comment is why the fuck do I need Google Plus to make a comment. And here's why, guy, because you fucking sold the company to Google. I believe is the first ranked comment. It's there. It's theirs now, idiot. If you didn't want to do it, then you shouldn't have taken that big fat house full of money. But I don't blame you.

Gold house. Yeah. For all the amazing things Google does, because they're fucking great, this Google Plus shit, it's the worst. It's the worst. Just drop it. You gotta write it out. Here's the thing.

I admit defeat so early. I know, but I wish they would just drop it. So there's two things to this Google Plus thing. One, it feels horrible and I had to. It ended up creating like a dozen fake new accounts for me that I had to spend days deleting. Oh, sure. It was awful. But like the comments are readable now.

I can read them. And because I don't have a Google Plus account, I can't comment anymore, which stops me from commenting. So it's win-win. So it's win-win. Okay. All right. I have to comment because I was trying to reply to something from Maximilian. I don't know how anymore.

The way he used to do it was like, you click this, you send. Max is just like, fine fucker, don't I? What? Switch to email. Things are just getting destroyed. I don't know if it's email address and I can't contact him and ask him about it. Max reaching out into the wind. Make a video.

Yeah. And Max- Hey Max, we should hook up sometime. Yeah. And Max has his back turned. He's walking into the distance hair blowing. And I'm like- You're chasing after him.

I'm holding my hand out. Yeah. But what is different about this podcast, Willie? This podcast is different and interesting because we have a special guest coming up on the fighting game segment. A very special guest. Yep. Is it Ryu? No.

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And you can help out the show because helping out the show is a really nice thing to do, guys. It certainly is. We feel like you guys and you guys are special to us when you help us out. And jeez, you're laying it on a little bit. And lay it on thicker. Why don't you just go out back and put on a dress and start batting your eyelashes? Shake that moneymaker away.

I'm just doing what I learned from watching you. And it's letter time. It's letter time. It is letter time. It's time for letters, you guys. We're breaking them out early. We're breaking them? We're breaking them out early.

Okay, because I don't want to brick letters. I was breaking them. So it sounded like breaking them. Okay. I'm breaking them out early. Hey guys, if you want us to brick on your letters, send them to superbestfriendcastatgmail.com. Where should they send those letters so that we can brick on them? You should send them to superbestfriendcastatgmail.com.

And when we do brick on them, you won't hear anything. It'll be silent. If you send us bad questions, we'll brick your computer. Yeah, that's a new Google Plus feature. Manuel. Manuel. Manuel. All romantic.

Ass. Sure, it's not just Manny. No, we're all swooning. No, and you're thinking about Banderis. Yeah. Oh, Banderis. How beautiful. Liam and I, before we go anywhere, Liam and I really hope that Sony puts out an official

video that includes Antonio Banderis in some way or gets him at the launch event to do a thing. Yes, I so hope so. Antonio Banderis gives away the first PlayStation 4. The only way that would be possible is that Antonio Banderis really liked that movie he was in. Assassin's? Assassin's is pretty good.

No, it is pretty good. But let's say he didn't like it. He's like, I'm not going to do that. It started as a gaff thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. As far as we know. Oh, yeah.

I think it's only a gaff thing. Yeah, but people take the gifts and put them elsewhere. But then there's also an alternate version of the one where he's really angry and he's waiting because he's trying to do a sniping mission. That also from Assassin's? Also from Assassin's and that's what you use when you don't want to wait anymore. Well, there's a million of them. There's one where he's trying to snipe the guy coming out of the bank.

Sorry, man. And it's all pixelated because it's in 720p. And so that's when he starts getting pissed off in first place. For the one that I was like years old. I like the one where he opens up the laptop and sees the picture of him doing this thing. And then sits down and does it. But what's Manuel's question? Manuel asks, hey, everyone.

Well, what? Hey, Woolly, this is too... Okay, why am I... No, read the whole thing. Read it. Hey, Woolly, this is to everyone. T.O.O. If you could make one game from a series just cease to exist.

In order to erase the damage it did to the series, what would it be? Metal Gear Solid 3 so Woolly wouldn't have good memories. No. Thank you for hitting no. That was horrible. That hit me before I finished. Good. Physical violence was necessary.

It's time to escalate immediately to gun violence. Erase a game, huh? I have the most obvious one. And I'm going to get it out there so that you guys can have it. So that I don't have to say it? Exactly. Please, guys, Devil May Cry 2, cease to exist. Oh, that's a good one.

Just a nebula of nothing. Read the question again. He says, get rid of something that damaged the brand forever. It did not. Oh, yeah, it did. So no one bought Devil May Cry's after it. That's not what that means. No, it worked their sales super badly.

It's the one dark point of the series. And if it was gone, the series would be almost flawless. Final Fantasy X, get rid of it. What? That's one of the good ones. That's when it stopped. No, FF-10-2 is when it stopped. No, FF-10-2.

Yeah, that's the moment. Man, violence is coming from your house. You say so. 10 is good. 10-2 is like, what? 10 is good if you don't look and close your ears. But if you just play on the controller, it's fine. If what?

No, let's take it off. Ignore the rails. Just say 13. 13's fine. Because everyone can agree on 13. Sure, 13. That's what ruins Final Fantasy. I like a lot about 13, but I can never tell anyone to go play it.

Like, boy. That's the most backhanded shit. I've ever heard my life. Resident Evil 6, I'll be like, I like a lot of things about it. You can jump into Mercs and have fun. I love this girl very much, but I'd never tell anyone else she was pretty. Final Fantasy XIII, I like it in a lot of ways, but don't go near it. Can I point out that by saying 13, you're endorsing all the bravest?

No, the brand is already damaged. So Devil May Cry has been done with, and I feel it would be damaging to just say Devil May Cry again. Yeah. It's really hard to describe. Anti-matter. Just fucking implode on itself. Resident Evil 5. Not 6.

5. That's a surprise to me. Because 5 was when it was really obvious that they shouldn't be making these anymore, because it's not as good as any of them. You got rid of all the people that made it good. Yeah, and 6 was just the extension of all of 5's problems. If 5 didn't exist, 6 would not exist as it is now. But if 6 existed in the way Matt said the other day, which was three pieces of content

separate from each other that you bought in the season, that would have been fucking sick. Man, I could say Resident Evil Zero, Resident Evil CVX. Like all the bad Resident Evil games fucked Resident Evil. Assassin's Creed 3. Assassin's Creed 3 is pretty good for this question. For this question. Yeah. Because it's so bad.

That's the one you pick? Yes. You got revelations. 3. Because Pirating was already going to be a game before Assassin's Creed 3. That's what you're thinking. Yeah, Pirating was never not going to be a thing. No, the thing to me is just the fact that like, revelations is where you're like,

I am so done with this gameplay. And I finished it. Yeah. Me too. Me too. We all did. 3. But how many of us finished 3?

Just you. Just you. Okay. Because to me it was like, at least it's not more of the same. Yeah, no, it exactly was more of the same. But it was worse. The setting was false. The setting was worse.

Like, all I'm saying is, if I had to pick one to remove. Yeah. Right? Not to defend. You know what? The one Assassin's Creed you're supposed to remove is Assassin's Creed 1. Yeah. Oh, sadly.

Poor Assassin's Creed. What about you, man? Is it Madoka? No. Castlevania Lords of Shadow. Oh. You want to get rid of the most successful Castlevania of all time. Yes.

It's not without its problems. It's got problems. I'm not a fan of how it doesn't really bring anything new to the table for starters. It's basically just God of War. But also, it kind of doesn't even really do anything with the Castlevania license. It's kind of just like, look at this mythology stuff. Let me just say, if you got rid of that game, you'd get no more Castlevania forever. Okay.

I actually, you know what? I actually don't believe that. I think it would take a while. Don't get me wrong. Where's Ega? But I don't think that. He's still a janitor. A janitor.

No. Ega's probably working on something. Because he did publish, he did put out Lead Meets, which was a connect game. Okay. One of the best connect games there is. Which is actually a compliment for that one. But anyway, I just didn't like Lords of Shadows very much. And I feel like Mirror of Fate was really uninspired.

And bad. And bad. But to say that they damaged the brand when they did anything but is kind of weird. Well, the only thing I want to say to that end, because I did, that was the thing keeping me from saying it, was they only damaged the brand to the people who really liked the Japanese ones. So on the one hand, it's fine in that sense. On the other hand, a lot of people really did.

I'm going to be nuts, but actually if I could get rid of any Castlevania, it'd be Symphony of Night. Ooh. Are you? So cute. Are you crazy? I won't choke you so hard. Are you insane?

In front of your anima. Are you like, are you having like a game of chicken with me? Well, we can see who says no dumber thing. Now watch the navigating of the guns. Saw the truth. Get the guns. Not because I dislike it, not because it's bad, because it delegated Castlevania forever. Into something awesome.

So, oh right. I forgot. One to five garbage. I never said that. I'm not saying that either. Remember, Street Fighter starts at alpha three gold. Double up. Why would you pick alpha three gold?

That's the point he's making. That's the point I'm making. It became something different, but that something different was amazing. No, it didn't become something different. It was something wrong with us before. It did not become something different. It became Metroid. It's not something...

Something different from what it was. It's Metroid. No, but when you say something different, it's not actually different. It's just Metroid. And Castlevania I is fucking awesome. It's amazing. The first Castlevania... And I was really hoping that Lords of Shadow was going to be like Castlevania I.

But when did you think that? Liam a really balls hard action game with good mechanics. And Liam, I'm not going to take that away from you, but I'm going to say that's Symphony of the Thights. No, I thought you meant it was going to be like a two year... No, but I thought... It is better. But I think Castlevania, the first one, is nuts. And if you don't think that Castlevania starts at the first Castlevania, there is something...

Which is the best Castlevania that's not Symphony of the Night. Oh, thank you. Okay, alright. It's just... It's just I fucking... God damn, my pillow. It's just in Woolly fucking HATES Castlevania. It's just in Pat's Liar.

Pat the Liar. Pat the Liar. That's bullshit. It's just like Metroid. I really do. That's why you're so good at it. But what I mean to say is that, not because of the games problems, but Konami just did that weird thing. Where they're like, okay, all these go on handhelds, then forever, and then now we just do these bad console ones.

And then it just kind of got like this linchpin game that sort of made everything go off the rails. For sure, but I feel like it's just one of those things where you wait another 10 years and it'll fix itself up. Yeah, maybe. Anyway. Good question though, yeah. Yeah. Scott asks, uh... Is this Scott Hall?

No. Where's the beer? Could it be? His name is not... Wait, is Scott Hall dead? No. Oh, okay. Wait for the Kickstarter to...

Keep waiting, Scott Hall though. To resurrect Scott Hall. Yeah. That's where they're basically going with you. Yo, did you... This has nothing to do with anything. You see that dude with the robot heart? What?

Yeah! He's doing it with a continuous flow device instead of a heart. He's got no heartbeat. It just hums. Oh! And he's been living with it since 2011. When? Like, why...

Why did you learn about it now? Because I saw an article today. It's like, let's check in with the guy with the robot heart. That's radical. I still ask for this. Uh, Scott wants to know... It's coming. Do you feel that you've gotten better at games because of your show, or will us fans be able to laugh at your terrible shortcomings for years to come?

Have we gotten better in general? At games as a result of... As a result of the show? No. Because you don't have time to play games long enough to get good at them. I feel like I've gotten better at more genres because now that I work from home, I can... Don't have to go to... Quote, quote, go to work anymore so I can play until 7 in the morning.

So I'm better at games that I used to be bad at, but I'm definitely not better at games that I used to be good at. Right. I'm probably a little worse now. And the act of talking while playing those games kills my skill level. I don't know. I think everyone. I think in recent history I'm better at games. Sorry, Liam.

I was talking over you. What were you saying? I was going to say, I think in recent history I'm doing pretty good in that regard. Like, I don't think I've watched anything. Yeah, but you don't play as much stuff for the show as we do. No, and I was going to say that, but I don't do half of it. I was going to say that when we have a bad game that we're playing poorly, then you feel depressed about it and then you don't want to do it again for a little while. Because everyone's going to laugh at you.

They're all going to laugh at you. They're all going to laugh at you. No! No! They're all going to laugh at you. But when I was younger, I don't think I would have ever had the patience for something like Demon's Souls. Yeah. But now, now I totally have the patience for the Souls series.

Sure. So the show is terrible. The show is averaging us out into nothing. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. And one more from Parker. He wants to know, what's the scariest shit you've ever experienced playing a game for babies? What? What's the scariest shit you've ever experienced playing a game for like kids?

What's the most unintentionally scary thing? I've got a good one. Holy shit. I don't play games for babies. I'm sorry. We already did this question. I said Redeads. No.

Yeah! This is a different question. This is a different question. This is a different question. This is a different question. Well then I'm going to say Redeads and the Clock Tower Man from Majora's Mask. Also Majora's Mask. That's the hard question.

Skull Kid. Zelda has so many things. I don't think that's ever happened to me because when I was like a kid and still playing baby games I played fucking survival horror games. No, but now like if there's something we play or like we're playing a Kirby game and they're like there's this one enemy that's like that's fucking weird. I don't know. Oh yeah, I don't count on that.

You can't think of anything scary. I can think of stuff that's not video games. I remember some Burton Ernie sketch that scared the shit out of me. Yeah, there was an episode of Pingu that terrified me. Ren and Stimpy. Have you watched it? Yeah. I don't know.

Ren and Stimpy's not a game but if it was. There are games. But if Ren and Stimpy was a game, then it would be Ren and Stimpy. As far as games? I don't feel like I finished strong on that question. Can I get a new question where I sound cool? No, we're out of questions. Dude.

And we're out of time. Oh, I don't play baby games. Alright, let's move on into the fighting game news. So, really briefly and quickly, news is Yoshinori Ono is up to something. This week. We don't know what it is. What's the other weird fighting game thing that happened directly related to Street Fighter and the PlayStation 4?

You mean Hadouken Caps? Hadouken Caps? Hadouken Caps? What are Hadouken Caps? What are Hadouken Caps? Hadouken Caps is, I'm going to take a really crazy, I don't know where I guess here, but I bet you Sony is bankrolling an Ultra Street Fighter 4 port to the PS4. Yeah, probably.

I would imagine. That's the hashtag for the players is one they've been using when they've used their specialty, like, developer that does weird bullshit to get ports. Right. Yeah. So, that's probably what it is. What was the last one? But did the owner say that there's like no resources for HD ports?

No, he said no resources for a sequel. A sequel. Yeah. And if Sony would bankroll like, you know, publishing or fucking whatever. If you don't have resources for a port, what the fuck are you doing? And then it's a win for Sony because they get to say Street Fighter's exclusive to PlayStation, which in that weird bullshit language where it's kind of true, but it's not really true, but it's also on PC.

Yeah. Console exclusive. Generationally exclusive or something weird. I hate those like specific ideas. I was like, but it's on everything. Yeah. It's not the fucking 3DS for fuck's sake. But beyond that news, Ono is going to be at the PS4 launch event and no one knows why.

I know why. For anyone who's uninformed, that's on Thursday at 11 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. That takes place in New York at the grand like PS4 launch event. They're saying that there's going to be news. They're going to announce what the first thing is already. What is it? The Last of Us Story DLC. They're going to show off there.

Cool. They said they're going to show off new games for 2014. Well, like, Kideo Kojima's there on Fighting Topics. Ono's there. Ono's there because Deep Down is the thing that Ono gets to pump. And Deep Down's a PS4 exclusive. Deep Down, but also the Street Fighter. Yeah.

He'll be doing both. He'll be doing both. Yeah. He'll be there to say, hey, look at Deep Down. And then he'll say, also, Street Fighter. I hope he's going to rock his new jury costume. Yeah. It'd be so good.

I want to see him rock a Herata costume. That's meta. Yeah. That's really meta. And then come out and announce Tekken Cross Street Fighter. Oh, no. And then Herata comes out of the crowd to go, we canceled that. Don't tell them that.

Ono announces that Deep Down is double free. We pay you to play it. Yeah. Sure. Who knows, honestly? No. It's too hard to guess. Who knows?

Only Ono knows. It's got to be. Ono knows? Ono knows what it is. It's got to be Street Fighter related. Street Fighter. Just character at the launch event. What are we supposed to get the fifth character?

What are we supposed to get? I remember on the podcast. They said there was going to be a new announcement next week. And a new announcement ended up being double focuses. Oh, also double ulcers. Sorry. And a little bit of news on the third feature. That's supposed to be game changing.

Yeah. Hashtag game changer. Hashtag game changer. Guys, you fuckers. Never. We'll never stop. It was something that I started to do. It was something that was not planned for, but the dev team just threw it in.

And they were like, what would happen if we put this in? And then everyone loved it. That double confirmed. That sounds like a bridge. Yeah. What if the guy went, ah, after getting hit in Blocks Town for a while. Oh, this is fun. Yeah.

Like throwing last minute changes into fighting games. That's how we should not develop it. You know what? I think fighting games should totally be developed like that. I think fighting game systems should be developed fast and loose. Okay. Because we're going to get her visions anyway. So make the first motion.

So make the first one just wait. We just put that in. Start with rainbow edition. I was going to say make rainbow edition every time. Pat. That's how Marvel versus Capcom 2 is made. Exactly. And then people love Marvel too.

Fast and loose is like, it doesn't even cut it. That's why I love CVS 2. Because like, put it in. What? All of it. Okay. It'll balance itself. Make a game that'll break my system, but then back it off a little bit.

Back it off totally. Like when you started up your game systems like, I don't know. I like the idea of like a team saying we had a really good core vision for this product. And then Jimmy changed something at the last second and we threw that vision out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Filthy Rich. Yeah. Of Killer Instinct. And Double Helix. And Double Helix.

Yeah. And he used to work as the community manager at Namco Bandai for the Tekken and Soul Calder and tons of stuff. And now he's resident badass over at Double Helix. Does that guy like fighting games? Yo, he likes fighting games a lot. He gets paid to like them. So yeah, let's get Filthy on the line and see what's going on with him.

Alright guys, so we've got a special episode today. Very special. Yes. We're joined by none other than Filthy Rich of Double Helix. Yo, what's going on fellas? What is up? Chill man. One more week and then I get to body everybody online.

Oh my god. The day is finally coming. Yes, I get to make everybody sad. Right. Can I just say like right off the bat, how jealous I am of Max for living out within driving distance of you guys and pretty much getting every build? He lived so pretty far away, but he makes the hike. Dude, he's one of those guys who just makes kick ass content and what better way to kind

of get content. And like he responds through his content with his peep. So people like yo, I want to see comment, like no commentary. I want to see matches and like we do our best to try to supply that. Honestly, if you guys did the same, hit me up. I'll do the same thing. No problem. No doubt.

No, like Matt's been posting like all the in the raw things on my wall and like, yeah, I just love watching the full straight matches. Yeah. We're talking about Killer Instinct by the way guys. He calls me up and he's like, hey, you know, Rich, I need some matches of like Oregon and Glacier. So I'm like, well, you need to get your ass over here so I can beat you up with. It's cool man.

And reading all the responses like I tune into his videos just as much as anybody else would. So it's cool to see people be receptive the way that they are. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Actually, you know what? While we're talking about like you guys playing your sets and stuff.

Something I was thinking about was Matt and I like we've had a little bit of a history with D James, the creator of the game weapon Lord and he's helping out on the staff of KI a little bit. I'm to understand. So we had, we had Dave Winstead who was here on our hand. So Dave Winstead did a bunch of stuff, not only for weapon Lord, but for Street Fighter Hyper. Right.

And I think I could be wrong. I think it's CE Street Fighter scene. Right. And of course, Ken Law. And Super Street Fighter as well. And of course, yes. Right. The man himself.

Drill. The drill. What is his nickname as the drill? Really? The drill? Well, I think he worked on a lot of stuff with that. We can, you know, so. Right.

Right. Right. Like that, that design, like I think along with like Super Street Fighter, I mean, dude, don't get, I play a lot of candy because it's pretty easy to win with her nowadays. Yeah. That's very true. Tell you, tell that to Henry. Anyway.

So straight up, who's, who's bodying everyone in the office right now? What's it look like? Like who is the best in the double helix from Microsoft offices? Let's see. It would be between David V. Yeah. John Bautista, myself and Mike Willett. Right.

So like we go, we go heads up. So what I do is I let them play first so that they get tired and then I come into the room and just body everybody. That's the best way to do it. Yeah. I let them like, I let them exhaust all their tech and absorb as much as possible. And I just do like the complete opposite and I get lucky. But everybody's like on a good day, the way like everybody has their own style of play.

So Dave V is all about like setups and trying to bank off of like counter breakers. So he'll be like in your face, just doing the same old thing over and over again. But he's like, if I were to play him in poker, like he beat the crap out of me because like he's got really good greens. John has a, an insane runaway game to the part like you're dashing and then you're getting hit for like no reason because you're just getting frustrated in this style. I kind of like to do the yellow mode. I go all in all the time.

Nice. And just, I just play off of a lot of reactions. No respect. Just do it. No respect. Listen. I use like the no, no respect, like almost rather than playing a tournament style, it's like two out of three.

I play like it's like a one match game. So like arcade, very arcadey style. Just go back like one, one new trick every match and then we'll let, he's footsies man. Like, I don't know. Like I didn't realize old people still have a footsies game. Yeah. But like, it's just ridiculous. Yeah.

Yeah. If, if no respect is a thing, I know we're really close to launch, but is it too late to put in the announcer just going, no respect in the middle of a match or something? Oh, I wouldn't, I would never say it's never too late. Like the studio that we have, like the sound studios in house and it could be one of those things where we just go in and record it and implement the game. It's all a matter of like, is this going to screw the game or not? Right, right.

Do you have, do you actually have the announcer like on call and just like bring him in anytime you need anything? He's in house. Nice. Whoa, that's awesome. Nice. So like, it's going to be one of the mysteries. You'll find out who it is once the game actually comes out.

But like, yeah, obviously we got Chris Sutherland from the OG games, but then the other guy who's kind of like the default guy is in house. Right. Sick. That, that reminds me of something though, is that really early on when the game was like kind of first announced, like, can you confirm whether like, because I remember seeing people saying, man, there should be a God like combo like announcement. Was that like always in the cards?

Cause then it was like, I think at E3 when that showed up, like someone did a God like combo. Yeah. Yeah. Like, was that something that was always planned like, oh, the upper echelon of combos were going to be called God like, or is that one of those fan feedback things that you guys took into consideration? I don't even think God like was in the E3 build.

Like that was something that came after. Wow. I believe that that got implemented at Evo. And like, you were just trying to think like, hey, how do we fit in well, especially if it's going to be with like FGC guys. Yeah. And like these guys completely understand it and like, what better way to kind of introduce this to somebody who's never been in fighting games.

So to answer your question, like, was it in, was it in like the original schedule? Probably not. But it was just one of those things where like we did some fan feedback on like suggestions from fans. Like the first thing that I did was like, you know, what do you guys want to hear for combo call outs? Right. And I was like going back to the old stuff, like, oh, I want to hear it like quad basic

or they want to hear some other crazy random stuff. Like we took suggestions and actually implemented based off of like, like an agreement here in-house and also with people over at Microsoft so that, you know, they can't say filthy combo. Like we didn't want to do anything. It was like too offensive or just completely out the door. But yeah, God like was almost kind of like this is fan, this is fan driven and we just had to put it in game. Like the one thing I wanted really bad that didn't make it was seven golden letters.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Seven golden letters, man. Like that's something I've wanted to see the game and it's attached to like a lot of like I'm watching Marvel streams. I'm hearing dudes pop off with that and I would love to see it kind of like embedded into a game. So I think that would have a better chance than saying like he got peed on our Kelly, you know.

Oh, like three. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, okay. Just to kind of, I guess, you know, formalize a little bit for some of the people who aren't aware. You want to just give us some of your background with the FGC and like kind of who is filthy rich? Matt's mystery.

This is an idiot Filipino guy who plays a lot of fighting games. FGC, I've been playing, I grew up in the arcade so I had the luxury of being able to go back and forth from New York and the Philippines. And one of the early adventures that my parents took on was to run arcades out in Manila, Philippines. So my father was basically like a GM over there. My mom did like a lot of stuff in the fence. So every weekend or every day that I would cut school, I'd run to the arcade because it was

one of the few places that adopted. Do you remember the Street Fighter 2, like eight, eight man arcade games? Yeah, do you mean the tournament edition one like that? There were probably all linked to each other and you randomly kind of got matched. With someone else? Yeah, yeah. With somebody else within those eight years. So we had that system in there but then we just completely ripped off like the network

thing and it was just people playing like bland. So this was the one arcade that had like 16 arcades and it all started out with like me playing Street Fighter hardcore. So playing all like the fighting games, like every evolution of like Street Fighter and then eventually started to get into like the competitive space playing like games like Alpha 2, Alpha 1 and the Tekken series. Of course. So I started playing competitively and actually won my first world championship in Alpha 2

and then simultaneously with Tekken 3 at the same time. So but that was like, that was taking place in Asia and I wanted to do a lot of things because when I was in the States, none of my friends played video games the way that I did. So I was branching off to play a lot of casual games. But then I found out that the tournament scene was actually getting pretty big over here. And not only for fighting games but for others as well. So I could get it in games like play. I remember back in the day I won this huge tournament for Funko Land.

If you guys ever remember that? For Ray Tracer. Funko Land. I've heard the name but I'm not familiar with it. I don't think we had it. Funko Land in New York what it was was it's kind of like what you'd see like in a game stop. So like major retailer for games but they're really proactive about the like their buyback

and all those games. So they had tournaments at that place too. Okay. I would play anything that just had like a tournament label behind it. So like all the blockbuster tournaments, all the Funko Land tournaments, all the local arcade tournaments have started to join in that. But then started to get really big once you know these evils and these fighting game tournaments started to house like everything.

Like it wasn't just a Street Fighter 2 tournament. Like you can go and compete in all those. And one thing took you know one thing led to another next to you know I'm like at Evo like 2006 and 2007 like on main stage for Top 8 for like Tekken 5 and Tekken Dark Resurrection. And yeah man I just I didn't stop. I did not stop from that point on. I started to grow interest in you know wanting to play these games and trying to hop in like what can I do to kind of not just get paid but help in like the development process.

So started to invest in the time and try to apply for like any and every major video game out there. Nice. Next thing you know I get hired over here at DH and I get to work on a game that's just like I'm so closely attached to. Well that was my next question. Yeah. I was like what is that like?

Or like I'm working on this thing I played forever. Okay. Well you know let's go back like way back when so K.I. just came out and I think it was like around like 94-95. Yeah. There's this place in New York. I've seen New York called Lake George. Right.

Right. For some reason like I always went to my went out there with my family because like it was a way for me to be like the little pyro that I was and have fun at Star Camp. That's really weird because I used to go out there with my family when I was a kid. That place is boring. Oh man. What was that? I couldn't hear that one.

I used to go out to Lake George myself. The place was boring as hell. Okay. So all right. So listen to this. You know in Lake George how they have that one strip where there's four arcades back to back right? Dude I was three years old.

That was so. So basically the way that it worked because I went there as often as I did was that you know arcade one was like the scrubs like the doos and you know the parents who took their kids and they just shoved in quarters and then it just progressively gets better in terms of like skill and how you play. Yeah. And like right next to this basically what are they called the headshot right next to a headshot like the most famous headshot over there like this one place had K.I.

So I'd be over there playing Street Fighter with all the local homies and next thing you know like K.I. Is there and I eventually hopped on and somebody taught me the OG arcade combo which is like you know slick, slack, hard kick and then like hard kick. Yeah. That's how you have ultra. Was this was this the more hardcore arcade where dudes are blowing smoke in your face and this is where you're smoking inside the arcade.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Doos got their dogs inside the arcade barking at people and everybody's getting hype and like you know this is the one every arcade machine had like at least four to five quarters for people who wanted to call next. Right.

What happened was I ended up staying at this arcade and the owner was so cool that he they just kept the arcade open for as long as people played which is something you never see anyone. Yeah. It was four o'clock in the morning that I actually went back to camp next thing you know there's like cops everywhere bro. Apparently my parents thought I got kidnapped but I was like nope. I was actually just I learned how to do it and put it with Cinder and I just couldn't

do it. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean like it has this time and you know all the things that I did just to get the when it came out to console and to get the black cartridge and the t-shirt and that stuff just followed it like very heavily and then it kind of just like it fell off and I was like where the hell did K.I. go and like I didn't hear about it for like however long it took to make this one.

Yeah. And I was at Nampo and these guys hit me up I was in L.A. and I got invited to the studio and they just they introduced that they're going to be working on this fighting game and for some reason I had in the back of my head I'm like it's going to be a K.I. Yeah. I don't know what the hell it was but it was like they said that this game is huge that hasn't been around for a while and I'm like it ain't weapon Lord it ain't the sheet or it's not like you know a bloody roar.

Sorry is this Microsoft contacting you. No it was actually the studio so the studio I guess was working directly with Microsoft because their attention was to. Right because that would be weird if Microsoft's like yeah we're bringing back to Shinden like there's not a lot of people that would be parading in the streets. They're like oh my god blow up the building to Shinden's Cove. But yeah they told me K.I. is on board the next thing you know on my follow-up they let me know about the other title which is Strider.

I'm like dude I got a hot phone now. Yeah. Like the development of my career but like what they said was that they wanted to open doors so that I can extend my understanding and like games to help out with the development side of things. So to work directly with the guys who design and put everything together and programmers and all the guys kind of like make the games that we play. I was like dude I don't give a shit how much you pay me I just want to hop on board so.

That's it. No honestly like we've been obsessed with K.I. for pretty much ever and like fans of the game know that any opportunity we can to like sneak in some old K.I. music. Into any video. Any videos we make you know we do it. Like it's pretty much a staple at this point. Well if you guys need high quality versions of that music video. Yo.

Yo. My explosion. What. Yo. I hope you guys have a great. You guys are awesome. Thank you man. Okay so to get into what's going on with K.I. specifically reintroduction of the game.

Matt and I we made a little video about it. We did our first impressions of it just last week. We got our hands on. It's everything we dreamed of. It's fucking great. Honestly the first thing I think I want to talk about that's interesting is like the direction that you guys went with in terms of character content distribution and like what do you guys feel is like or sorry do you feel this is the direction fighting games

should go in? Is this something sort of experimental? So what was the mentality behind going with this multi tiered method? The way we just we want people to play fighting games bro and you know fighting games is such a hard genre to jump into so like what do we have to do? Like we got to recognize that there are these kind of like these borders or these you know that that sense of intimidation knowing that there's a lot that's that needs to get put into a fighting game for you to enjoy in its entirety.

So like how do we do that? That's just going to be simple where let you sign online get the damn game that you play every move that's available. If you like it go get more content and that content is just as straightforward as another character and if you want to take it to the next level let it be the aesthetics of the character the what you could put on how you can dress them up. But we just need to kind of like open up the floodgates so that you can experience the fighting game and like it complements the way that the game was built around which is kind

of like there isn't this high level of execution that's required for people to play in order to do cool shit. Well as soon as you hop in you know I was watching you guys play in that video like the first 30 seconds like you're doing combos and you're dropping the string after a light auto double but then I see like within 20 seconds that you're already doing it then you're doing an ender then you're doing a follow-up to the ender which is kind of exactly what we want it's like this open availability of the system to be easily accessible which is like yeah don't get me wrong you can do stuff when you when you mash buttons but if you take five

extra seconds to realize what you did bam you're good so like okay the system is there but then you have like okay well how the hell do I get my hands on it and it just goes back to side on line get the game and download it and play Jago which is kind of like our foundation character you know you guys you guys hit the nail on him you like there's the shoulder right like he's got a wicket traverses him from like left to right or right to left he's got a fireball and there's nothing that changes between like the combo system besides like the character specific traits so like our approach was you let more people play this game you let it you know get grace with the opportunity for all the things that the hardware

to do which is like you can stream directly like people on your show who are probably watching are like the same guys who like tune into like fighting games shows and you know it's not only that but like our openness with what we've been doing with community like having that open line of communication with them like we hope that that helps as well because we know for sure that there are going to be a lot of questions you know not only about like the content like how people are going to play the game like on the 22nd like we're not going to stop like that's basically day one for us and we need to keep that thing going so yeah yeah it's a combination of a whole bunch of different things but the bottom line

is like that accessibility that we need open to people and the price point that we have which is free hopefully kind of lets you explore that. Well that's just it man I mean like I think that something that we we've discussed a lot ourselves on and off the air like fighting games in general we get so much mail about people going how do I break in how do I get started you know Willie like what kind of stick should I buy all these things and it's kind of like there's different levels of commitment based on you know what your personal interest is so if someone has that exact comfort level tailored to them that's probably the best way to get people interested and hopefully they

can feel a little bit of that crack sprinkle in what they play you know. Exactly so it could be one of those things where like you know what I got to try Jaguar this is just an example but you know what maybe I've been seeing a lot of hype and I've been playing against a lot of Cedera's and like there's that level of interest I think that the price point to be able to get the next card I don't know the exact price off the top of my head but it's going to be minimal to the point where like if you want all characters it gets what it's 20 bucks but you know let that kind of be like a test but it's like oh my gosh keep that body by Cedera I want to hop into her and experience everything that I have with Jago but with this character

like it's there like there's no okay in order for me to play her I have to buy the whole pack screw that man like if you if you're a character specialist and you want to invest 100% of your time and divide that between three different characters in hopes of like finding the ranks on the line and stuff like that that's there like it's an option so like the way that it is that multiple options for all different types of players depending on the commitment of those players I uh sorry no go ahead Matt I was just going to say because I was talking to this with the guys like earlier is that when Tekken Tag 2 came out like I think we all bought it and I looked at the roster

and I went oh oh oh man okay um but when Tekken 5 came out for the record I didn't but I also didn't but go on man so man speak for yourself so me too me too that's why I said I looked at it and went ah because unlike you guys I have lots of stuff to do in videos to make so I don't have enough time to devote to all these characters when Tekken 5 came out I didn't have as much going on so I could like spend my time doing whatever you were trash in Tekken 5 though not very good but like as like when I was thinking about how Killer Instinct has done

is just like you know six characters at launch learn those six you have like you know as much time as you want and then the other characters will get put in eventually and when they do you already have a really solid base and you don't feel overwhelmed by 55 characters most of them all playing a lot alike Tekken and a little dude it's um well one thing though filthy like just to kind of maybe confirm because I remember hearing that um you guys like originally there's you know you have Jago that's available is there any truth to the possibility that you might be rotating the available character

this is something that I'm really pushing for because that would be sick man when it's been officially announced whether it's been like officially announced or not but the way that I see it is that it's pretty simple um sometimes just you just need that taste you just set it perfectly where you just need to sprinkle just a little bit and I think that that's a good way to kind of give people an opportunity to try out different characters because like you might not like the 2-in-1 Shoto style character which

you might prefer like somebody more abstract like somebody like Galatius or like an airborne character like Sedira and that could kind of like change how you feel about that game and if we have an opportunity to do that like close to release dude I'm gonna push as hard as I can because did I recognize that people will play the game and I'm also gonna recognize the people that might be trying out for the first time and I think that that's that's an amazing way to take um like our vision like which is kind of like to CKI to be this platform

rather than just like a free to play game where you know we could really start right on the right foot like as soon as we come out the gates and a rotating character dude that's such a badass idea yeah man you know what I mean and I just think it's really really cool and I would love to push for it

I think too that like you since you're you're probably gonna see a lot of um the three character being played online with a rotation going people might start seeing matchups and they might start seeing oh wait there's a little bit more going on here as a fighting game you know yeah you introduced that concept yeah man push for that for sure

I mean really well don't give you I think um the way that it works right now is that Jago he's our first like our main balance character and it's a good way for you to kind of not have to you know explode your brain and try to absorb not only the character and the matches and also the system but it's a good way for you to understand foundation

I think it's a character that many can relate to a majority can relate to so yeah Jago's a very relatable person it's a good start but he's down to earth yeah

as soon as we get up to call it be like guys let's rotate the characters yeah yeah yeah um okay so I want to kind of get into now just in terms of some of the systems going on you said a bit earlier that um it's friendly to beginners to sort of get the basics of like what a combo phrase if you want to call it that is like um

so I kind of wanted to just go like if you can introduce like what the basics of you know executing like a combo system is in the in general for the game is like and then um the abstract of that being like how you can go from just the sort of the match basic level to the metagame of like combo breakers counter breakers shadow counters and how that all takes the system and makes it really deep actually okay cool below

just to start off what we wanted was we wanted the game to be heavily revolved around the combo system and within that combo system isn't it isn't going to be to the point where like the offensive character takes full control until the combo is done uh what we want is that uh and this is done through combo breakers is that even though you're getting comboed and you're getting hit we want you to have as a defensive player an option an out or something something that you can do

and that's basically rewarded if number one if you can read the reactions if you can tell on animations or if you just know the person sitting next to you well enough and the way that we do is that the combo system is very simple like from the get go like there's a flow chart if you could draw a flow chart um which is something that we'll probably do on the forums like it's it's all rebound it's all revolved around like this a simple flow which is an opener which then leads to

uh an auto double and then you can do a linker and then you have an option of doing another auto double or an ender and the way that it works is that each one of those like it trickles down into branches so like after auto doubles you can always do a linker or an ender and then ender always ends a combo but after an opener you can do an auto double manual or a linker and to put it simply like a basic a very basic thing that you could tell a friend to do is like press a button do a special move press a button and then press a special move so the way that you can kind of like make the most out of your damage is

using the right buttons at the right time and always ending your combo so to put it simply light moves um they do the least amount of damage compared to heavies but the thing is heavies are easily readable compared to light moves so like light moves will come out very fast so if you mess up a breaker it's you're gonna have a harder chance to break it especially if you move the complete opposite for heavies um while we're talking about the combos like it almost seems like you can keep on doing those things infinitely except for the one thing that we have which is like kind of like an infinite prevention bar

which is called the knockdown value basically every hit that you do within combo builds towards a bar that is viewed right under your combo counter so like how many hits you have and kv for sure yeah your kv basically once this surpasses 100 and the next hit after it causes a blowout so your combo like does this 360 spin and knee knocks down and that's basically at the end of the combo what you want to do strategically is build that combo up as much as possible because that builds up damage and then you use

your combo ender and like this is displayed like every character has a unique ender and each one of those enders also have unique properties so depending on how you play and what type of game do you like to play um like it all is all based on you but that's basically the flow so you're opener and then all your filler is an ender and that's basically in that time like your opponent can do breakers but um they have to be really selective in what they do so like that's basically like the most basic way

and sort of like the way the I guess the tennis game of reads would be someone's doing a pretty easy to do a pretty easy to replicate string on you you go for a combo breaker they start getting used to the fact that you're breaking those combos and then they change their timing up they change their buttons up or if they're feeling really good they do a counter breaker in which they catch your combo break attempt yes well the way that I see so like

all of you guys like watch tournaments and stuff like that so imagine this I think I'd rather get kind of like geeky on this part kind of a little bit more um so imagine this to be I would see this game doing really well in like a three out of five so imagine like the first round is like you both get a read on each other's combos like what combos are you doing are you going for like high damage up or are you going for like quick combos what that'll do is like enable the other or both players to get an understanding of like where do I fit my breakers so like you know what like Matt keeps on doing

like heavy wing kicks like always like for some reason like subconsciously he always goes for heavies and like you know wooly I've been watching your matches like you always go for lights so what what you'd want to do to is like almost let the person know like I recognize your hits so combo breakers start to come into the play now the mind starts to come into the play because it's like third set final set between you two guys and you're like you know what you always break my lights so I'm going to do mediums until I do that one light throw my counter breaker and boom my mind

your mind just exploded because I played it off really well because you were waiting for that one light the entire time and because I locked you up that's four seconds that you cannot contest in damage output which will almost like ultimately result in like 30 to 50% damage so like it just comes it just it's insane at that point because once that first counter breaker comes into play between two people who were playing in the long set it gets to the point where like you start to rethink when you want to break when you want to counter break because like that's you know

a lot of damage is basically reserved from those things and then you guys just start to play like a totally different game you start to do stuff that you're not used to doing or you have to result in or you have to kind of like jump into your plan B so I think that that's like the beauty of it where like each match and the flow of the match is going to be dependent on the players and like how well you guys know each other and like I think it's really exciting especially if it's like two strangers go against each other like tournament finals but you've never played up until that one of the best feelings in fighting games in general and like if I

can communicate this to some of the listeners is just like when you are baiting someone with what looks like bad habits and then on that third time when they go I'm going to punish your bad habits you go oh no I knew this this was all according to plan I'm in your head that's that feeling is just it's it's you're on cloud nine you can't replicate it it's the best thing that's and that's why you go back to the next tournament to just get more and more of that yeah and the same thing could be said which is like okay so imagine on wake up when we get to great you know

look at look at soul cop it has to be easy reference since you guys played a bunch of it like I'll wake up every time he text rolls you go for the low so it's like first hit you with a low you didn't get hit so it's like a hard back down then he gets up they hit him with low again then it's like am I going to mix it up for the third hit but then you go for the low again and it's like it's like oh my god I'm in your head yeah we relive that experience rather than like on an oaky basis and we do it on the frame like that instance happens every few seconds in Ki and it's kind of like we really want

to put a lot of stress on the brain for people who want to take it to that level and it's gratifying dude like yeah it's down to the poor we're like I'll openly admit that for me nearly a counter is more fulfilling than doing like 150 hit ultra problem yeah yeah yeah for sure when we played at the at the Microsoft kiosk like and we didn't get it on camera but I was playing a match with Liam and I was like trying to explain the counter breakers and when it actually happened and like I was like okay I think he's going to try to break

now and when he used it I was like oh my god this is the most like it's like it's the same feeling as doing a really good parry but the game is like really congratulating me and making it way more hype in that way like to the point where you weren't just explaining it you weren't just happy but we were yelling in the store and you know we noticed this and that's why like we found it so important to bring something like that to an event like evil because you know that's a mind state of like competitive player right

I'm not only beating you in the match up but let me beat you as a player so that in a long set like I'm guaranteeing my own win and like you'll see revisions if you look at like how the counter breaker system was called out at Evo and like how it's evolved to now like the voiceover like screams and it's just as loud as it is as a double ultra and it's like counter breaker and like screen explodes, baby's born and that's like a huge combo

and the thing is too as well just as you're like I think when you're talking about like those three crouching light kicks like to me that third crouching light kick is a statement too that's a I don't respect you statement. I don't respect you just like my style. How many DPs can you land on in a row? The system is nice because it's inviting to a lot of creative players and like the guys who just want to get in your brain like you don't need to be an amazing fighting game player you just need to be a very smart player

and I'm really happy that you guys are baking this for tournament viability as much as possible. Yeah absolutely honestly there's so much that could go wrong with the Ki remake you know if you just don't have the right people on staff. There's so much that can go wrong with every project and to see everything come so perfectly together not just as a game but as something aimed at a very specific core niche audience like that's a really beautiful thing to see. Yeah

and to see that you guys care about it so much in that sense too. So would you guys like if the community could kind of like see how it is and how it's like you know we'll work you know usually the hours are like people coming around nine and then they'll stay around like nine or ten but you know six o'clock on dinner time like we all order food right so food comes in while we have food and plates full of like whatever it is like we sit in our room like where we do all our scrums and we just play casual games bro and like even now it's the same exact

from you know today it's like one week up until release and compared to like my first day here you hear screams you're like oh my god you just got blowed up like you're so free like that happens like that still happens and it's not only that but like dude you know we're coming out the gates and like we're really humble and you know like we're surrounded by what we believe are just like games that have just like blow our minds like you know I love tag too and like I think that they're amazing things that you know we we've learned from like Marvel and other games Street Fighter

and you know what I mean we're not coming out like we were the next big bad guys but like dude we just want a game that people can enjoy that's basically my ammo for coming on here I'm like you know what I think that there are a lot of amazing games that we're playing but there's always one thing right it's like damn like I wish it had one thing like what if so like our whole thing is like let's just open our ears and listen to fans of the game and people who want to see a game do well and kind of like open a floor to it and like our motto is basically like community fed developer bread like it's funny I will never point out the specifics but

there's so much stuff that you will see in our forums and if you watch the evolution of the game from like E3 up until now you're like damn awesome dude like you slick bastard okay I mean I don't know and just on terms of like presentation too like I don't know if this was a fan suggestion or like it was planned from the get go but the rematch screen where you move the bar and it creates a note of the K.I. theme every time you move is brilliant that shit is awesome dude

so like producer like Mike and a lot of the music guys I think that was just something that was they just plugged in but it's such a nice touch man I don't think the team understood like how much of an awesome like Easter egg that is for a lot of the fans and like dude why the hell are we not making like videos just to call it this awesome piece like so from that point like we noticed the response from people over at Evo we've added a ton more like Easter eggs in the game Max did a long series on you know the music

of the game and how it's progressive with the action happening on screen and things like that and these are all things that like me and Liam would be like walking and just talking about how cool it would be if a game reacted musically to what was going on and suddenly there's a game reacting musically to everything we punch and it's great like yeah do you guys know how it works too like the intricacy behind that part we're not 100% sure but we kind of basically there are multiple progressions throughout the stage and like the music

every hit and every special move interacts with kind of a build up that builds up the music so they're kind of like different riffs and then once you max out that riff it moves on to like the second stage of it and this applies to an aggressive state and also an idle state so as much as the music can build up to like this crazy where you know earlier you heard like acoustic guitars and then when you get up to like the fourth level of it if you're like metal guitar it's kind of like dark riffs you know what I mean? Rather than like an acoustic verse like almost like

you slap the distortion button on and that applies to the same way that it would react in an idle state when you guys start to attack like the more idle the music gets maxed in this amazing video where he did it on a several stage which got me in a lot of trouble because I sneakily told him about it but like there's a booster right there of tooth and claw I remember this video about that oh shit man I got a call on Monday like what the hell you do

tell people about this break what I argued back was that the response from the community on something like that because I think it's just you know there are certain things that fans have always wanted but it's a measure of balance of what could be and what can't because like we have to have we got to pay respect and homage to the OG stuff but we also kind of we got to move forward and try to evolve so that the geniuses who are playing the games today are constantly like taken care of so like this is cool

like that type of stuff and I think it's a really cool piece like there's some guys who just like love music and like it's what drives them to kind of play different games dude you know so like I play I play guilty here like I love the soundtrack and like I get hype and I do combos and usually I play games like other games I get headphones on with my music and I feel like there's some games out there that just like help accentuate the awesomeness of that title through the music and like our sound guy it's one dude and he works directly with like Mick Mick Gordon who's a freaking new musical genius bro and it's cool to see

it play with the blue stuff. Yeah dude I mean like the honestly the outro of this show is one of the K.I.P. is the select the character select screen yeah and you guys are ever in California but I will promise to put you in the studio where we do all the sound mixing and you guys could do like the two pass first show cause I was just thinking back like we used to cut to an airplane yeah yeah yeah right now when can we make this happen

oh man like we used to do fighter pedia the other fighting game show and the outro to that was Tusk's theme from K.I.2 speaking of which I was gonna ask though like out of all the characters in the K.I. universe of like all like the ones that aren't in the game right now is there a character that you feel has like something really unique to offer like if you guys got to work on them as a character you think wow that character would be really unique if we did this with them cause

already you have like you know rush down and grapplers and like air combo characters but is there one that like you guys like haven't considered yet or something where you're just like man it'd be cool if we could do that with that character um you know what if it's the question is basically like what character would like be attached to is that basically what you're trying to more not I wouldn't say like I'd say more like not like oh who's gonna be coming out but like who's the character you liked from back in the day you know that like for like for me I think every

person in here like they'll all answer differently I feel like you know um jump out he's somebody either say like like Glacis or Sidira Mike loves his wolf and um you know David like he's a character that loves Jago um me it's it's funny you say that because the character that I've always wanted and you know that I that I felt like needed to jump in this full bar and I think that there's a lot of great things that we're gonna be able to do with this character with the tech that we have in house and our engine that are just going to make you know for me I I love

bad guys and I love guys who just like are either can be looked at as boss characters no matter how good they are in a tier list I will figure out how to play those characters the two characters that I could that I would say kind of like the category for the question that you're asking is like full board Sidira because like number one Sidira like an original character like what could the team do from a creative standpoint to introduce to such a strong IP that has such a strong following with a very concentrated cast like we we put into consideration like you know what it's only

going to be it's a really concentrated cast but we're bringing somebody new which means that somebody that somebody loved being not make it to the original roster so we and like for us like those I feel like we embedded a lot of responsibility into our entire team to make sure that we can do not only like the IP right but the fans right because we never want to have a character that's just going to be left there that's going to be almost as invaluable as like something like like random select buttons so

we we took it we've some bounds you know like the first aerial character I've always wanted to see like a character that can make the transition of combo heavy stuff like very combo oriented but the transition from ground to air then air to ground is something that I've always wanted to kind of like see and I think that yes Sidira really shows that off and like she's original so she's kind of like she got this tied to us like this our first original character and I think that's basically it like that's she's a one

folder I might end up leaking stuff that well I was going to say like do you guys internally have a tier list and if so our unannounced characters on top because I hope they are you know we've never really it's it's cool to build the characters like super buff and then kind of analyze it like play by play day by day our matches and you know how they play out and you know our testing is actually pretty

pretty brutal like we'll play a hundred matches with this character but we'll also have constant on hands like super top secret play testers that come in and give us evaluations and like you know we don't greet them with like chocolate cakes and awesome coffee and potato chips and soda and all that well like we just need to be really honest with us because this depicts like you know a lot of our decision making not only that but like a lot of the hands on events that we take out to you know consumer events like we go to

there's a local arcade that we have over here super arcade that we try to kind of like visit and we try to go like as many as like fighting game tournaments as possible so it's our tier list is it's pretty cool you know there were we work with a and like you know we bump heads I'm not going to lie man I bump heads with a lot of people and it's like it's really dependent on the play style but what's nice is that it all falls back on how the person or that player really understands the

like the mechanics and the system of the game so earlier just to be specific there are a lot of people who are saying that like Glacius was a 73 fight and I push back really hard I'll be like well it all depends on how you do this and this and this I don't want to blabber too much on this one like I'll gladly top matchups off camera but yeah I know for sure yeah so I mean you know we do a lot of research and we make sure that we play the matches up what's nice is that with the concentrated cast we can really do a lot of research

on that so like a constant review like frame data and how everything is and how everything is but then also like the different variables that the player would have and like I basically take on their responsibility of wearing each one of the heads so play like a dude, play like a pro play like somebody who constantly burns meter, play like somebody who rushes down or play like somebody who turtles and dude I get paid for that so it's a good thing man I have no problem doing that. What's the balance philosophy then

because one thing that as fighting games are back now we've been seeing like the resurgence and it's a genre that's in each of the different titles have been handling things in different ways and what I'm really curious about is are you basically looking at it from a point of view where you're gonna release the game let it soak, see what happens, come back in, make a tweak or so or are you guys gonna be really hands on, patching constantly to balance it and keep it flowing like what's the game plan there

the game plan is gonna be pretty simple, let's have the game that you play resonate for a few months or even years before we start to make any game breaking changes because I think the beauty in fighting games is the amount of time it takes for things to really marinate. I know that a lot of you know a lot of the tech is shared through YouTube or through social media or just like people are happy to share their tech more so than it was back in like the 90s or early 2000s where you only saw crazy stuff that you know or you only saw

crazy stuff like if you're like within the Illuminati of like fight FGC Save that shit for the nationals. Yeah, save that. But the way our philosophy is basically like you know what they're the base of the system enables a lot of creativity and openness to like how people want to do or show off their game style or their play style and the way that we see there's no right way there's no right or wrong way to kind of win and if we start to change one thing whether it's like one frame

you know whether it's like oh this is minus five we're gonna change it to like minus four like that is huge because that one thing affects every other character and times like we need to see the skin kind of evolve in the hands of like the best and the worst players so like our goal is to be able to update constantly with kind of like the modes a lot of the things that people want to see you know a lot of the requests in there hopefully like we'll be able to do with updates but not change like the core mechanics and like the functionality with characters and how they perform the game

we want to open like more doors so that people can absorb KI and its entirety not only just for like the mechanics but just like for some other fun stuff that we could do so like our interaction is gonna be constant like we're gonna be jumping in playing games with people like everybody in the dev side is gonna be with people in like Xbox and then we're gonna constantly jump in and answer questions and fill people in on forums so cool so I'm not gonna turn the game on one day download a patch and basically you have to find that my frame traps are gone I want that man at least I'll know what's coming in advance

because I mean like I don't want people to have the game that they love and then next thing you know turn it on be like what the hell happened to my character like people devote so much time and effort to want a character to change one thing like that that's drastic enough now I mean we're gonna do our best if there's something game breaking if somebody finds a crash hell yeah you know what I mean we're gonna jump in and fix that but not something that's going to like completely take away from like our messaging which is we want this game to be tournament viable

in order for our game to be tournament viable it needs to be something that everybody can come into and everyone have an understanding of how that game works if one guy is playing it likes one being like one point one and another's playing like one point two okay but to be honest if we do changes what we're gonna do is open that line of communication where at least we can discuss with the community like we're thinking about doing this like J. Lewis for our ball is you know minus we're thinking about changing it to minus seven please share your thoughts yeah okay

because I mean as somebody who has played characters in fighting games that have three one frame links in a row like the bleeding on my fingers to get that down consistently like if that goes away I just freak out I break shit so yeah no because you put all that time right that's it in the lab you're practicing whether you're plinking or double tapping to get every single one of those one frame links and to land that at like 80 to 90 percent percentage like why would we want to take that away to think if you did and how many more people would be doing it too

like that we're considered of that alright we uh we got I got one last thing I just I just I want to know please please tell me that you guys have like a custom arcade cab set up in the office that you play on yeah we do yes yes great it's the same as that cab that you probably saw E3 if you guys were there but it's like the red it bodies the shape of like a new mix cabinet okay yeah so but what's cool is that

uh like it has an extension of it which just adds like another one or two feet I think it's like one and a half so it makes it a little taller so it's very similar to like the American style cabinets but it just has instead of like a half joystick and half buttons it has like all the sonar parts it would fit in my living room yeah we'll sit down alright we're not your living room uh just one last question if I can just get one in real quick about K.I. still um what are your plans for Killer Instinct going forward

do you plan on having it kind of like a platform like say League of Legends or the like where it's just a game that continues on for many many years or do you plan on maybe actually releasing a K.I. too somewhere down the line I mean I think both things are in high consideration like our first primary objective is to treat K.I. as a platform our communication is going to be open and people will know more about the game you know not these like crazy patch updates or anything like that but just uh continue on with like more seasons like right now people

are recognizing that like what it is that people aren't familiar with the terminology right like fighting in like season what the hell it's very abstract and just continuously build off the foundation that we have which is like let's say if we do add more cartridges we don't want to change the system that you got used to or spent like a year getting used to we just want to add more characters so you can play around with that character within the system and met with K.I. and like our support will constantly be here for as long as like our fans and our partners over at Microsoft continue to support us

because like you know we we love this and like I don't think we ever want to stop like this game is too much to us no I totally agree nice nice thanks a bunch yeah well 50 man uh that was really informative again awesome awesome time on the show dude really enjoying it thanks for having me man thanks for being here yeah are we gonna see a tuba's friends play K.I. more than that perhaps more than that maybe I'm dusting off my N64 and Super Nintendo leading up to K.I.'s launch

maybe yeah yeah for somebody who's in community I'm really appreciative of all the work that you guys do like there's no less than nothing like that and you guys got you know and also following also fans and you know we hope to continue to do more stuff like don't let the 20 do don't let the 22nd be the day we're like alright I don't need to hit them up anymore like hit us up man you guys are always invited at our studio and we could just like I wish we lived closer to that we gotta make a woolly skin bro a woolly skin oh my god yeah

we can get that we can make it work yeah get the Matt freaking up in here school beanie up in here oh he's so good as a thunder accessory please no save a wolf wait till you see our thunder accessories your mind you're gonna blow your brains out yeah so really really a third last question I think I asked this in the Microsoft stream and I'm not sure if they're applied to because the stream that moves way too fast all the questions but are we gonna see

classic character costumes before launch depends on how awesome I can make this trailer well that's something just to keep the build up and the excitement for fans right at 22nd whether it's something that comes out immediately after or around the same time I think we just have to play our cards right then we don't want to just like put it all out there like we're gonna slowly see stuff and I think that accessories has

a heavy attachment to a lot of the people who are you know the OG fans and maybe even for some of the dudes to see like how could they recreate for the new so like no no no exactly yet but will it come out damn right hopefully right on man well yeah once again you know shout out to Max for I guess hooking us up with the front down there Max really made this work pretty much yeah Max million like love you man good stuff and filthy

always a pleasure always a pleasure we will definitely be talking in the near future man peace thanks very much thank you very much so that was a whole lot of killer instinct yeah a lot of it yeah yeah guys what's killer instinct it's fighting you wouldn't like it it's the new hotness it's the most popular thing on the xbox one that's what it is that's accurate that's true that is absolutely this I cannot deny so Matt what is going on

on the channel going on the channel is that me and Pat are taking a look at gonna keep it a secret but yeah a game we talked about during this podcast I'm gonna tell you which one we're gonna play a quick little look at a game we'll probably take another look at it sounds like it deserves another look it probably deserves a second another look keep him under toes keep him guessing um and we have some beat them up episodes yeah beat up are gonna go at least one this week for sure they're coming and of course

until it's done the beyond two souls drain will not stop the sadness trilogy despite the game trying to stop itself oh this is a day late but we just put up my favorite part yesterday oh yeah part six is my favorite part is it yeah you remember is it it's where I do the thing oh yeah right yeah stick around so if you haven't seen yesterday's episode you should probably

check it out or not it's not great see you guys next week take it easy bye music music music music

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