Castle Super Beast - SBFC 015: How Hath God Blighted Pat This Week?

Episode Date: November 19, 2013

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🎵 Ah! Snow stop it! My home at SRK! Do you remember when Nintendorks was actually a fan? It was that actually! I literally called someone that within the past week. Is it me?

No. It was DG. Okay. Because you had Nintendorks, you had crap... No, no, no. Nintendrone. Nintendrone is the longest and most... That's still applicable because that is accurate to an actual type of person that exists.

Yeah, totally. Like the people who adore Nintendo as if it were a religion. Yeah, yeah. Every time you say, hey, I don't like the new Zelda or something, it's like you took their newborn infant and punched it in the face. So the word now is X-boners. X-bone. X-boners.

But... X-boned? What was it for? No, the X-boners. It's like a sports team. Yeah. And what was it for the last Xbox? X-Bots.

X-Bots. X-Bots. For both of them? Yeah. I bet we'll run back to X-Bots. Yeah. Because it's just... It's quicker to type.

It's so... It's quicker to type and it's safer. It's so uninventive. Man, it's so uninventive. It's so uninventive. And it won't get... It has so many ponies rhymes. It's perfect.

So many ponies. It's so silly sounding though. X-Bot won't get eaten by like safe search or anything. Like you won't get auto-sensor. Sure. Yeah. You know, Bing will censor the shit out of that. Bing won't let you say X-Bots anymore because it brings up all these negative results.

What happens? I made that up, Liam! Also, Bing's not going to be around. So Liam, Liam, Sony ponies isn't good enough. You'd prefer the alternative? I didn't. You'd prefer the other thing that people are saying? Sony ponies?

Then I can say... P.S. TOOLS! SONIGERS! It's basically what the internet's doing with that. No! That's a real word. What the fuck? Sony ponies is just really silly.

That's all I think. Like... You know what's better? We need more vitriol. Are you? Are you? Yes. We need more...

There's not enough hatred in this word. You're saying it's better to have words that make you feel deeply uncomfortable than words that you go, oh that's silly. The point I'm just trying to make is when you're trying to yell at someone on the internet, calling someone a Sony pony just makes you look silly. But guess what? You're getting upset! You're getting mad!

But I'm not even the one being targeted. I know you're not. I'm just looking and saying... But you are a Sony pony! Imagine if you get called with your Zelda shirt, you fucking Sony Pony, no! Don't make fun of my feelings! Now you know why they want to hate me because hate's all the world's even seen lately. Yeah.

Like, what about back then with older consoles? Imagine someone being called like a wet Jaguar back. I remember in my school, they said if you have a PlayStation why don't you just call it your play with yourself station. That's so long to say! Yeah, that's the problem. That's way too long. It's got to be snappy.

You got to marketing for a moment. Like N sucks T4. I just made that up just now! It's fast. Like it's terrible but it's fast. I guarantee you, there's no flow. No, come on. The Sega sucks shit?

I don't know. Yeah, that's great. That's what you call it. No, the name's bad enough. It really is. The 3DO is enough of a shit name. Awful. And then there's the Neo Geo.

Yeah, she can't really think of it. Which is the Neo Geo. Man! It had Mark of the Wolves, man. No, but no one ever hated, no one, I can't remember any time ever where somebody was going, you know what? Fuck the Neo Geo! Fuck people who like the Neo Geo.

It was always like, I can't afford a Neo Geo slash you're crazy to have bought one. Can I come to your house? There's not enough people to own the machine to even give them a name. Yeah, they're not a group, it's just four people. The Invisibles. Yeah. The Council. Honestly, you have to take out time-shares with your friends to get a Neo Geo.

Oh, for sure. Fuckin' ridiculous. $600 system, buy the arcade cartridges, and if you happen to also have an arcade machine, you can run those too. By all means. If you have an even more expensive piece of hardware. Yeah. You have this one friend that gathers all your friends up in it, like a chalet and the

mounts. Okay guys, it's the Neo Geo. If we all pool our money together, I can play Last Blade. Meanwhile, people were emulating Neo Geo games before the Neo Geo came out. Like, in the 80s, man. SNK still doesn't know that. They still haven't bought it. That's why they still have the Neo Geos on the market.

Yeah. It is still on the market. The emulator was, like Neo-Rage X was sitting and waiting for the Neo Geo to come out, because it already had the code ready to play its games. There you go. Welcome to episode 15 of the podcast. Enough about old consoles. The eighth generation is upon us.

Let's talk, well, it was technically upon us like last year when the Wii U came out. No. Yeah. By your, me, and Liam's logic it was. Yeah. Oh, it started at the 3DS. It's a generation. Yeah.

Well, I had 111 days. Let's see. It's like 1000. Okay, look, do you want to count the starting console, or when everybody's in the race? And it's even. I agree with that. And it's even weirder, because there's the two different forms of generation, which is power and time.

Yeah. And the Wii, ever since Nintendo started with the Wii, the whole conversation's gotten really dumb, because people, there's a topic on Neo Geo right now. What's your favorite next generation game? What's it look like or something? And people are posting pictures of Pikmin 3. Sure. And people are getting fucking so pissed off.

Honestly. Who gives a shit anymore? I don't care anymore. I'm saying that like until all consoles are in the race running, it's the pace car going around the track. No. And then you're waiting for... The pace car's the PC.

Yeah. Fine. Fine. Because it never stops running the pace. I'll take that. I'll take that. Yeah. No, right?

And it's going around the track. And then when the last guy gets his engine rolling, then you get your rolling started then. Well, to me, just because they didn't start accelerating doesn't mean the race isn't already going. When the Dreamcast came out, nothing started. Because the PS2 came out, that's when that started. And then the Dreamcast hit a wall and burst into flames.

Because the car was so heavy, because it was so top heavy, because its car was so unwieldy, like the controller. I'm going to try. The Dreamcast thought there was a shortcut through the stands. Yeah. And it hit the wall and burst into flames. There was mustard everywhere. And it flung its driver into the crowd who would go on to watch the race from the side

lines. And our kid games flew out of its wreckage. Yeah. Everyone got them. And they were awesome. For a little while. For a year, a little while. But the eighth generation is a bonus.

But the important thing is that the PS4 is out. And next week, the Xbox will be out. And we can finally stop talking about next gen, like it's some bullshit fairytale far away. It's here. Starts saying games are out. It's current gen. Liam and I have PS4s.

We have games. We have played games on them. This is real. It works. It has happened. Oh my god. Yeah. You both get back to your places and they're gone.

That's not funny. Fuck. I don't mean they're stolen. Like it just never came out. I have seen them. No. No. We were playing it today and I think they're not out.

Oh. Oh wait, that's because all there is is current gen games. What? You could argue that definition. There's Battlefield, which is- Oh, crossover generation. It's confusing because it's current gen game, like it came out on the old stuff. But then the stuff that's on the PS4 and the three, not 360, god damn it.

God damn it. God damn it. The fucking names of these systems of the Xbox One is the PC version, which is next. It's not any better. It's not any better. Do a Strangia Pro with the timing when we went to a friend's birthday party this weekend. She had a copy of Gun for the 360. That's right, she did.

That's a good one. I was looking at that. And a CRT TV. Yeah. That's someone who's really happy. We're not happy. Is this real? Is this event occurring?

Am I looking at a camera? Everyone had a copy of Gun in their house at some point. I had several. Willingly or unwillingly. Yeah, either. So since Liam and I are going to gush about that shit forever. Willing. What have you been doing past week?

Take the floor. Well, quite a bit. I've been continuing through Stone Ocean, which is JoJo part six. Six. Yes, JoJo part six. You're reading it. How do I know that and you don't know that? You're reading it.

It's confusing. It's confusing. There's a lot of fucking volumes, man. It's in the 60s. So many volumes. Wow. But yeah, no. You can clearly see that Araki needed to take a break from the fabulousness.

So he went the complete opposite. Because he went too far in part five. This is the prison, I believe. This is the prison, the girl's prison. The girl's prison. Which is still fabulous. In the complete opposite way. And the main character is JoTara Kujo's daughter, Jolene.

So she's super tough, like hardcore. Is this the first female in the JoJo line that doesn't just faint? Yes. Lisa Lisa in part two does stuff for a little bit. Yes. Lisa Lisa does stuff. Mariah does stuff as well. There's a couple of fighting characters.

In part three, there's a couple of throwaway lady stand users. Yeah, but that's not what I'm really like. But what's really awesome about Jolene is you look at her and you go, oh look, it's jury. Yeah. Like 100%. Yeah. Down to the spider weave patterns on her shirt and everything.

Because I saw some failure in her jury. Way before. I saw some fan in her jury last week and I was like, wow, jury is actually super awesome. Like I kind of forgot. She's a great designer. It's almost weird how Capcom's version of Jury's design is the worst one. Like Jury's official art is the worst. Compared to every single alternate rendition.

Her design on paper is fantastic. And it's just like just tweak a couple things like the length of her hair or like the how many things are on her arm or something. And the character just, boom, nails it. I love the idea that JoJo has been influencing fighting game character design since forever. It's since its inception before fighting games. Exactly. And like that continues to this day.

JoJo is fighting games. Yeah. Vita means life. It's too bad. I didn't know where to go with that. I didn't say shit. It would be great if JoJo had more than one only good fighting game. Also this week, wonderful 101.

What do you say? How far? I fucking, you fucking beat it. I fucking, I drew that last symbol. Okay, so that last stroke of that last symbol. So hard spoilers to the heavens. So hard spoilers here for everybody. No.

The game hasn't been out long enough. I'm not going to spoil anything. But you didn't. No, he didn't. But you're not going to spoil anything? No, Matt didn't. Okay, cause for a second when he said the very end. No, I'm no one saying, Matt's going to, no one's saying anything.

Hold on, Liam, stop. Okay. We are not spoiling anything. Good. Well, cause you were going there. No, I was just saying the last thing that I did, the last symbol. Yeah. The last line.

The last wonderliner you drew. I just, my arm just kept going. Yeah, forever. Tears in my eyes. And so would you agree with me that this is something I told you after the podcast a couple of weeks ago or whatever, when you first started playing it, when I said to you that everything about wonderful 101 reads like Kamiya is right there with us in terms of what he is watching and what he is playing.

He has been sitting next to us. Absolutely. For the last five years. We will say, man, I wish a game did this because that would be the greatest thing ever. And then Kamiya just does it. Like this is the first time that like we've seen his, not only his brilliance of like the stuff that he's making up on his own, but his brilliance in terms of things that he's influenced by.

Yeah. And I never knew that. And when you see that, how he takes it and twists it a little bit and puts a spin on it and it becomes even better. And is the last Wonder Liner just a bottle of Windex? Yes. Sure. Because I can't think of a greater Kamiya influence.

It's a G2 bottle of Gatorade. Kamiya really likes supermarkets, you guys. You dropped supermarkets. Well, fuck. It's not even a spoiler. End of the first stage. Yeah. Like you go to a super market, right?

The Wonder Market. The Wonder Market. Yeah, exactly. I know, man. It feels like such bliss to find out that someone that is like cutting edge in the industry. And influential in the right way of like doing crazy new shit. Loves. Not likes.

Loves. The thing that you love. The same shit that we love. Not one thing. Not two things. Not a ton of things that we love. And it now starts to make a lot like retroactively. Our insane love of platinum starts to make a lot more sense to us.

Yeah. Because we've never been able to 100% articulate. Put your finger on it. Just why you ran into it. When you were in line in something, you ran into a guy who was talking mad shit about Revengeance. Right? And you couldn't even.

It started. It's an endless concept. Yeah. How do you even broach how wrong you are about calling Revengeance a piece of shit? Right. Where do I begin? You know? Also with how technically flawless of course Afro Samurai is.

Yeah. That influential IP. Which was what the guy was holding in his hand. Yeah. But yeah. It's the whole package. And I, after beating Revengeance, I would never, it never even crossed my mind that there would be a possibility that it was not my game of the year.

Right. Yeah. Right. Like that, I would have laughed in your face. Okay. Well both me and Will already pretty much called it. Did you not see how he could dig? I did.

I know. And now it's actually like, like I'm not trying to spoil this year's game of the year deliberations. But now it's actual discussion in my brain. Yeah. What I was saying, I mean it's too late now, but what I was saying at the time was I fucking wish I had a webcam set up or something. I told you.

You were recording me. Yeah. Because dude the noises I was making involuntarily. Some of them. Manly? Many of them not. No. Yeah.

Many of them is this noise. Can I ask, did that start at like 8C? No, 5C. 5C. 5C. 5C. No. But I mean, you know you've been telling me it's huge and it's long and you can't sit

down for a long time. Did you go 8C to the end? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we're ready.

It's right. We are getting a little long. So what's the end of this? Is if you have a Wii U. The thinking about getting one. If you have a Wii U, you owe it to yourself to get wonderful 101. That's game-on. That's unqualified recommendation.

Yes. If you already own the console, you need it. If you don't, you should act like. You should consider. If there was ever a game that I say buy a system for one game. Yeah. I would now say that this game is worth it. Now it's not worth it to everybody.

But if you're the kind of person who can internally justify that to yourself. Fucking go for it. If you've ever liked Baio or Devil May Cry or any of that stuff, you need to get in there. If you like performing actions with a character. Yeah. You might want to consider it. Character actions, maybe? Yeah.

I don't know. A strong word. And give it a chance to warm up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a bit of a slow start. Give it a chance to warm up. It doesn't compare to like anything else in the world.

Yeah. Like in terms of what we're saying. Yeah. It actually has a slow start. So one quick question. So was the ending better than Bayonetta? Holy shit dude. So yes.

Holy shit. I'm glad you thought so too. Yeah, no, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No. And the thing is, since I was like last amongst you guys, I had all the hype already set up for me. And you're like.

You can't pause. Exactly. I was scuffing. This trickled down. It was him. And then he said there's no way. It's the best thing he ever said. And then I came back and said, Liam's totally right.

And you said, shut up. You undersold it. And I said, how? And I fucking sat there with my arms crossed going, what? What? And then I was just like, oh my god. Why would you set me up for this discipline? Oh my god.

That's pretty much right. Yeah, I baited him how this went down. And honestly, beyond that, hey, fucking Kill La Kill's going. It's great again. It's great. It's doing its thing. Yeah. It's the second.

Yeah. Is it still great? Yes. Check the box. Is Obama still president? Yes. Have we introduced ban shows into this week's episode? Yes.

Yes. I'm the best one. Oh dude. It was amazing. Like. You think that would have been sooner? But yeah, like. But like.

Remember how? Such a good way. Yes. And like, it's not, I'm not going to spoil anything. But I'm just saying the person that the ban show like is as a character. It is so clear. Yeah. My love.

Yeah. Ten sizes that day. God, yes. I learned the true meaning of anime that day. Hell yeah. And then immediately after watching it, I watched Eight Mile again. Just because I felt like watching it. What?

What a weird man. I see the correlation. I just felt like watching Eight Mile again. Okay. Particularly because at work, the guy that sits next to me keeps doing like the rat battles from it just while he's working. And I'm like, fuck, that was actually pretty good. So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to watch Eight Mile.

I mean, yeah, if you think of like, what are the great rap battles in cinematic history? Eight Mile has got to be in the top 35, right? Pretty much. That was my week. What about you, Matt? I didn't actually get time to play many games except for Ace Attorney. Pat, did you beat Case 2? No, I'm still what I am.

That's fine. But what I was going to say is that they do a neat thing. And I told Liam a little bit about this. So when you finish a case and whoever you are gets it, all the puzzle pieces are doing they do the coolest animation ever. Where like, you just try to visualize how the character's thinking. I'm not going to go into it. It's super cool and super hype.

So if every case has that, I'm still not done Case 3, but every case is that. And if they up. Is it like, is it like basically like the Eureka moment visually represented? Yes, yes. Can I ask you, you just, you're talking about you finished Case 2, right? Yeah. Is Case 2, because I've like, from what I played, I played a little bit of Case 2, all of Case 1 obviously.

I already felt like this is a dramatic improvement over Apollo Justice. Yes. Is Case 2 better than all of Apollo Justice? You said you played a little bit of Case 2? Yeah. Because Case 2 started to drag. I was like, okay. Yeah, you told me that.

Because I know who the killer is. It happens in every game. There's two or three cases where I figured out the crime. Because you showed me in the cutscene. Yeah. And I know enough to get them, but there will be twists that will stop me in the way. And there's always that little like hour of like just frustration. Just point at the guy.

Prove I wasn't there. Yeah, fuck you. I wouldn't say it's like better than all of Apollo Justice, but the case dragged until you get to the last day of court where I went, holy shit. And then they said something that turned the whole case upside down as per the turnabout way. Turnabout is fair play. Pretty much.

And so I played that. But what I mostly did, I was like, we went to a party. Me and Pat had drank the absinthe. I pissed off a friend of the host really bad. Violence almost took place. Really? Yeah. We'll get to you later.

We played, of course. Was this one of the elder dork girls? No. No. We'll get to you. There's no real story other than don't mock PhD students for the fact that they've been in school forever. Words to live by.

Because they freak out. Words to live by. Okay. But we played a good round of apples to apples. Everyone, if you like board games, you don't know apples to apples. Yeah. It's the greatest. It's a really good game.

Well, it's not the greatest. That's the game. And cards get standing. Thank you. So apples is the best thing you can buy in stores. Cards against humanity, if you go up online and buy that, it's just the better version. I believe it's exclusive to Amazon or some shit. No, there's a Kickstarter.

How is that not in stores yet? Because they keep selling out. And they're afraid to put it where children can get it. Are they? It's the board game that will ruin lives. There's even an online version, too. Oh, I'm sure. It's an online clone.

But you can jump online in a room of people and just play cards against humanity. That sounds scary. Yeah. But in a good way. Because there's still a fix of trends. It can only get so bad. Yeah, it can get pretty fucking bad. There was a card that was like a subject that was things only TotalBiscuit would talk about.

So they have updated cards. Right. Go on. I've watched a bunch of movies with The Misses. Oh. Life of Pyre. Yeah. Richard Parker.

Richard Parker. The Hobbit. Because you haven't seen The Hobbit yet. And Desolation of Smog is actually like, we get to see the dragon? Do we get to see the dragon now? Yes. Do we see the dragon? We're going to see the dragon.

Did you watch it in normal, non-3D? So we watched it at my girlfriend's parents' house. We were there that weekend. She does not live there. Her parents' house where she lived in the last 10 years is a pink castle. It is a castle. Nice. And I said, where is your third upstairs?

Where is your fifth basement? Because I lived in a shoebox. Where does Princess Bubblegum do her science experiments? In the third basement. Like, you know, gigantic rumpus room. All these rear rooms I've never heard of before. Oh, were you checking behind paintings for seconds? They were, there was a chest with Harry Potter goblets and Harry Potter swords and like,

Hufflepuff things. I'm like, this place is great. Your girlfriend's parents sound like huge dorks. No, they're super cool because they're like, well, I didn't meet them, but whatever. It's fine. And we watched The Hobbit and then we finished off the weekend by watching one, the great, like better than Life of Pi, more epic than The Hobbit. We watched a little movie called Punisher Warzone.

Sounds promising. So the floor is yours, man. So I will go into it, but Pam, you were talking about it not too long ago. Yeah, like two weeks ago and we were tackling on the street. Yeah. I'm like, there's a part in Punisher Warzone. You see three motherfuckers doing stupid parkour shit and the last guy jumps and then like, within the camera shot, a rocket just hits the guy and the guy vanishes off the celluloid.

He doesn't explode. He just goes away. Nothing. I think it's also worth mentioning he looks like me. Yeah. That was no. McGinty's not the one that gets exploded. Oh, that's true.

McGinty gets thrown onto a fence and then Punisher jumps, stomps on him like, Alex. Wow. But yeah, I go, shut up, shut up. Here comes the part and she goes, what? What? It goes, shut up. And it happens, she goes, ah! Oh yeah, we had a good laugh at that.

Go Warzone. In a movie that is trying to take itself the most seriously of anything ever in terms of graphic violence. That happened. No, I mean in terms of like actual effects. Yeah, okay, okay. Like dudes heads getting cut off, getting shot, getting Gibbs. Having a dude literally disappear off the soundstage as the laziest way you could have handled

it is just like the cherry on top. It's amazing. The punishment Sunday. Between that and like just punching through a kid's face. Yeah. Because that's a guy that's trying to crack. Yeah. So he's theorized that his skull cavity was just like.

He just grabs a kid, pushes him against the door frame. And punches him and his head explodes. And he punches him through the face. The fist just never stops. Can I borrow this? Yeah. I'm watching with you. Let's watch it right now.

Let's watch it right now. Well, he turned off the vodka. I want to watch this though now. Yeah. So that was me. Oh, and Pat, before you say what you were up to, I got to thank you because just as you brought up Kamen Rider Kabuto the other day, I was like, fuck, I need to start watching this again.

Yeah, man. You never finished Kabuto. So I'm back on. It's the only Kamen Rider TV show I could get into. Apparently it's the most classic one. Yeah, yeah. And I fucking loved it. No, I'm back on Kamen Rider.

The Warmu Desk, man. They're dicks. Yeah. Stupid worms. And anyone who does a Kamen point is just. That's the whole thing. Liam, stop playing with the fucking cat. The cat's going to jump up on the laptop and cause porn to blare over these motherfuckers.

Oh, according to plan. Okay. So Liam, what did you and I do this week? PlayStation 4. PlayStation 4. Oh my God. So I actually have a really good launch story. You first.

PS Quadruple Ballin. PS Quadruple Ballin. Quadruple Ballin. Quadruple Ballin. Quadruple? Hey, we got a pixel. That sounds like a, that sounds like a Dairy Queen thing. Yeah.

That's what I had when I was in line. Or a sex act. Or a sex act, yeah. So I go down to the local GameStop, BB Game, fucking whatever, right? In order to pick up my PlayStation Quadruple Ballin, as it were called. I get there at like 7 in the morning. There's tons of people. It's all pre-orders, but it's still like hundreds of people in front of you in the line.

You're going to have to wait. Like once it opens, you're going to be in line for like another hour. And I'm standing there with a friend of mine who has joined me because I'll be bored. I'm just, oh, this sucks. This is the worst. Up until the store actually opens. And Douchebag McBusinessman, wearing like a tie and shit to the premiere because he's the manager, stands up and says, hey, do any of you guys have a platinum card?

And the crowd goes, well, I don't know. Never even heard of that. What is that? I do. I don't know what the fuck that is. Like a credit card? No, it's their new edge card. It's the platinum card.

You mean the edge card that I don't use? Okay, so here's the deal, though. These fucking cards, man. People with platinum cards get to skip the line. Okay? To be fair, this is a really good idea. So I am nearing new levels of scumbags. So I'm standing there going, fuck, this is bullshit.

Because people like relatively near us, like people behind us, are filtering out of line to get into a way shorter line in order to get out of there in like 10 minutes. You go, fuck, this is bullshit. And my friend says, is this the card? And he pulls a platinum card out of his wallet. And I pulled it up and it's like, is this the thing? And he goes, yeah. And I go, great.

And then I walk by Duke and I walk by Linda. And I hear other people in the background going, I didn't know we're there, yelling at me, going, fuck you, Pat. As I coast past them in line to buy it like 10th in line. So if you go from 18... Is this card for launches? It's for everything. It's for everything.

They started doing it when like... When they saw that they could do it. When games like Call of Duty started to come out and you'd go to buy it. And there'd be like 300 people in front of you. So it's when you go to the amusement park. Yeah. They'll put you in the priority line. More stuff than that, but yeah.

So I got my PS4. I went home. It's not broken. Those reports are gravely exaggerated. So the options selected PS4 that you double bought. I double bought. I have the Amazon one sitting in its box right now. Back story.

So Pat's crazy as you all know. Now to catch you up on this, Pat put down two pre-orders. Yeah. To make sure that when he bought one, if there was the 0.2% chance. Well, I didn't know what the chance was. And then eventually it was known that it was 0.4% chance. Excuse me. Excuse me.

0.4% chance that he hit one of those... Defective HDMI hands. Those dud ones that he option selects to buy two. Yeah. And whichever one works he keeps. And then either discards with the other one. Either return one. Or give it to a friend.

Or give it to a friend if it works. And then everything is gone swimmingly. My PS4 works. I bought tons of launch games. Not much to say. Other than most of them are pretty good. Yeah. Especially for launch games.

Like Assassin's Creed IV is a good Assassin's Creed game. Killzone's pretty good. Apparently Need for Speed's awesome, but I haven't gotten it yet. Battlefield's a busted, fucked up, broken mess. It's unbelievable that the game shipped in this condition. Every time I go to the main menu, it crashes and corrupts my save games. How are you finding the PSDM? The PSDM?

The PlayStation Dynamic Menu. That's fine. I like it. It's a menu. It's super snappy. After... It looks like the Xbox One's gonna be the same way. Yeah.

And it's just like after having to deal with dashboards that were never, ever, ever intended to do what we were doing with them. Right. We're finally getting dashboards that fucking make sense. And can do stuff. I can't wait for them to all be redesigned in like a year. Like probably my favorite thing about the PlayStation 4's dashboard is that in there's a bar for notifications. And it's notifications as to somebody sent you a message, somebody sent you an invite. But it also says while the system was off, we patched the game.

Yeah. And it tells you. And if you hit options on a game in your library, you can go to update history and repatch notes. Yeah. Which is actually really, really welcome. Yeah. So Matt, if you haven't seen it, just as a heads up, it's basically they took the big line of shit on a PlayStation. Oh, I was looking...

Okay. Yeah. Exactly. They just divided it into shit that matters and shit that doesn't. Yeah. And that's your true role. And kudos to Crunchyroll for getting to be one of the primary apps on the new system. Which I didn't know anime was big again.

Well... But it actually is. Imagine you look at the selection of apps and the popular ones are what? Netflix? There's four. There are four apps. Wait, exactly. There's NHL, obviously. NHL, Crackle, Netflix, and Crunchyroll.

Crackle, Netflix, and Crunchyroll. And they must be the most popular. I guess. Why wouldn't they? Except for YouTube, I guess. Yeah. YouTube support on being their best. I like the system.

I like the games. I'm eager to play more of in the future. Yeah. It's good. I download... Oh, so yeah. Here's where I should mention. I had all my games digitally and got home on day one and made the assumption that I'm

not going to be able to play any of my games. Because the network is just going to be completely fucking broken. Nope. After like two hours, I had all my games downloaded. And within 20 minutes, you could play one of them. Yeah. And the play as you download feature totally works. It just works.

And it just works great. Why don't we just like piggyback onto that, Liam? I had a pre-order that I sold to a friend because I realized that, hey, I love the midnight wait launches. Because you enjoy them. I like that like fun camaraderie that everyone gets. Here's the deal though. You go through one or two and then you've had enough.

Wait, so you went in the morning, but you went at midnight? Yeah. I had a pre-order that was guaranteed. So wait, you slept there? I didn't sleep, but yeah. He stood up on his feet like a man. Yeah. Liam enjoys the lineup.

Yeah. I don't like the lineup. He likes the community experience. We were all talking about stuff that we're all like-minded people excited for one thing. Everyone's getting all hyped up. You're on nerds. Sure. Sure.

We're all nerds. I just think they remember when I was waiting outside in line for a Wii. There was like a palpable energy. Yeah. Everyone was really hyped about the future of motion controls and shit. And that ended up being like a really sad reflection of the future. But I mean, the line was still kind of fun to be there. Yeah.

Well, I mean, when I was in Burlington for the Wii launch at Walmart. Oh. Even there. Oh, that's dark. Even in the dreariest setting. I hate Burlington. Oh yeah, you should. Shout outs to Burlington.

You suck. And they handed out the numbers. Once everyone had their number, they said, okay, I know no one's going to jump in front of me. They all jumped off. Yeah. We all just like grouped together and someone put up a tarp. And we sat around and some girls pulled out Advent Children. Yeah.

And we watched Advent Children. Great. Sorry to hear that. Yeah, well, you know. No, shut up. Anyway, yeah, that was really fun. That went really well. I sold my actual free order to a coworker.

Yeah. Got home with the PS4. Did you make a profit on it? No. Oh. No. Anyway, got home with the PS4. Stunningly, the network was up.

Weird. Like, I can't believe they didn't just get hammered to shit. I mean, it did go up and down throughout the day, but I downloaded my stuff super quick and everything worked. I've been playing Knack a lot. I think Knack's really fun. I think it got reviewed pretty critically, pretty harshly. Yeah.

Yeah. See, that's by everyone. See, here's the thing, Leanne, is that you are a very positive individual. I am. And you often give the benefit of the doubt, but you're also not crazy or stupid. So when you say I love Knack or I'm really liking Knack and I look at the reviews and I go, okay, these are now equal in good guy I know versus review culture. And then I look at videos and I'm not seeing it.

Well, I mean, some of the things that, you know, I can just point out in the reviews where it's like, do you think this game merits a three, where a zero is nothing, a one is completely possible. A zero means not playing. Zero means the game didn't boot. That's big. Currently, that'll be a four is a zero. Because you can't play it.

What's a review? What's a review for the PS4 version or the PC version? They just add up the PS4 to the end of existing reviews. Yeah. Have they actually given it good reviews? Yeah, it's the highest rated game on this park. Because in order to... I thought that was Resolcombe.

No, that's like the third. No, but Resolcombe is the best game on this floor. Best exclusive and highest exclusive. You had to play Battlefield 4 at a fucking review event, I think at DICE, that was all LAN connected. Yeah. So you enjoyed it? So it worked.

Yeah. Instead of it not working. That's smart. It is. I think it's really good and I think, you know, you have to kind of listen to what Mark Sturdy said when he was making it, which is, please play it on hard. He's making it for everyone, but he catered the difficulties to all the different crowds. Right.

And he said, I know hard is for those people like us. And he says, normal is for everyone and easy is for the fucking babies who can't play shit. Or for the reviewers who have to finish NAC in 20 minutes. Tell me a story slash I have a review to write. Yeah. It should be the name of a difficulty. Because on easy and normal, I jumped in for a minute just to see and you can just run forward and mash and you take hits like nothing.

And on hard, you take like two hits and you got to get the spacing down on everything. Like it's really fun. I haven't played NAC, so I'm not trying to defend it. But NAC does seem like the kind of game that especially on launch would get fucked by the review cycle. Oh my God. Yeah. Because people have to review like six games for one day and they have three days to do

it. I'm not particularly excited. Yeah. I was gonna say, I'm not trying to dump on a bit. It's like if it was yours, like should I play Assassin's Creed 4, Battlefield or Kill's On My Time? Or should I give this like what looks like to me a review or a baby game? But I have to say that needs to exist in that lineup because look at the games you just

said. Yeah. There's going to be somebody that doesn't want to play those kinds of games. You like Matt. Yes. Don't get me wrong. But wait, which games are we talking about? We're talking about Assassin's Creed.

If someone goes, yeah, next gen is here, I don't want to shoot things and I don't care about being a pirate. Yeah. What else have you got for me? I enjoy... I want... And need for speed-ups. I want...

No, someone's like, I want adventure. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's their go-to. Wait next year for Fallout 4. No, my most played game is on the PS4 right now, NAC, Super Motherload and Contrast. Is it really called Super Motherload? It's a remake of a Flash game called Motherload. Not really.

Like L-O-D-E. L-O-A-D. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Like Mining, like you hit a Motherload. Yeah. And in fact, it is a Mining game and it came way before Minecraft or any of that.

And I really liked it when I was younger. So this remake is super good. Contrast is buggy as shit, but it was really fun. Rezo Gun's just awesome. Rezo Gun's fucking amazing. We'll get to that. It's just great. We are going to...

That's a different topic? Yeah. Okay. Killzone's really good looking. I like the open levels. Killzone exists as the game that if you have the good TV and you bought the new system, if you are willing to pay the money to get the game, then you go, check that out. Yeah.

And people go, ooh, it's check that out game. Yeah. You got to have that every generation. Yeah. I might have bought it on launch if Killzone was a completely different IP, but it was the same tech. Yeah. Yeah.

If it wasn't. I find the universe incredibly generic and kind of boring. I don't think it's not, but anyway. Which is when I looked at it, I was like, wow, that looks pretty good. Which is a shame because this is the one that has like really actually good art design. Because I'm like... It's not a brown shooter. No.

It's super carnal. It's like you're in a forest with God rays, isn't Killzone in the rain and mud and never anything else? No. No. No. I mean the other two. Yeah.

Two was totally that. Yeah. I think you're also proportionally thinking of resistance. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Which they all meld together. Yeah. Yeah.

Killzone actually is pretty well written for the first game. It is. The problem is that the universe is pretty neat. Yeah. The problem is the story and the universe are well written. The games are not. Yeah. Oh, the third game is just a fucking nose dive.

The synopsis that you get at the beginning of the next game that's talking about the last game. Super well written. Right. But the actual game. Yeah. So yeah. PS4 is really fun.

That was the highlight of my week. I like it. This will be interesting. Next week we can like both sides of the thing. Yeah. I'm still not sure if you're getting one yet. Maybe are you getting an Xbox one? That's the plan.

The thing I'm most interested in seeing is I was amazed that Sony's network didn't just die on day one. I'm super interested to see if the Xbox One's infrastructure can handle the load, especially since like it's, it used to be all DRM'd up and it's all weird. Spoiler alert considering how much, how many fewer people are going to be buying the damn fake man. Yeah. So right off the bat before we leave PS4, dude, PS4 sold a million units in a day.

That's crazy. That is nuts. Anyone who doesn't know, that's the world record of all time. Yeah. PS4 speculated this all that much. PS2 I think is number two and it sold 500,000 in two days. Oh, you mean in days. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. PS2, yeah. Not surprising at all. The industry has just grown to this size now. Totally. I'm hearing from people and outlets, they're on shelves. You can go buy one probably.

Yeah. I think that like this represents the market growth. No, I actually just agree with you. I think had there been three million Wii's available on day one, they would have sold all three million. Totally. I totally agree with them. It's not about that.

It's about the stock. And also. And Sony had the stock. It's also doing a pent up desire of people to get new consoles. Yeah. Gadgets. People have had gadgets. People have had gadgets.

It's been so long. Blue balls. Yeah. For a long fucking time when it comes to video game systems. And that's why there's a disproportionately high amount of people on the PC now. Because people like me, who I didn't used to be a PC gamer, I said, I can't do with these fucking frame rates. Through my money at New Egg and got the shiny.

But you know what though? What? Banderas didn't show up. Banderas didn't show up. Only in the studio. So the launch is a failure. I would say so. Because you guys had me believe in it and I was disappointed.

Maybe in the future. Maybe in the future. I don't think so. Probably even less chance. Yoshida did the thing though. He did it. Yeah. So now the meme is dead.

But he didn't do it right. He put his hand on his forehead. Someone edited the gift so he puts it to his mouth. Oh, that's awesome. And also Eric or whoever it was who got the first PS4 and he went and did it. Yeah, he did it. This is awful. But man, he did it.

And then Jack Trent and Andrew House just look confused. That's really awkward. Did he do it on stage or something? They handed him the signed PS4 and he did it like an awkward look. I'm doing it. And it was awesome and it was funny. He didn't do it quite right. But it was the spirit of it.

What are the odds that the first guy on camera is going to do it? Incredibly good because he's the first guy. You know what? Yeah, you're right. So yeah, no. And Sony's been coming out with a couple of the announcements and just talking to the press as the launch is going on. For one thing, expect fewer price drops on the PS4.

Why is that? Because it already was price dropped from day one. It was price dropped nine months ago when we didn't know it existed from 500 down to 400. So wait a long time. And if anything, I think that just means expect more bundles with other games and content instead of price drops. Also, this has been a thing with me and purchases of large devices like this for a long time

in which the math I do in my head is I'm going to want to buy something really, really bad before this thing drops in price. I know this. I know this for me because I'm crazy and need things. Other people take a little bit longer. But when Sony comes out and says, you're going to be waiting a long time for a fucking price drop, it's suddenly pushing you. It's like, anytime is good to buy it.

Maybe you should buy it right now. I spoke with this guy at work before I bought it. He was like, you're going to buy one at launch? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, wait till it's cheaper. And I'm like, no, this was before Sony announced the thing. And I was like, no, it's not going to drop until ages. And he's like, watch, it's going to drop in eight months.

It's going to be at what is wrong with you? Even the most pessimistic. You can eye out the people who don't know what they're talking about. But considering the last couple of launches, the last couple of pieces of hardware, you can have a pretty good launch. But unless the momentum keeps up and unless some catastrophes happen or whatever, any company can go. No, we don't expect price drops.

Yeah, but compare it as a good example. The fucking Wii U still hasn't had a price drop. And it's a disaster. And it needs a price drop. The 3DS had a huge price drop. And it seemed like it helped. And it's been helping. Yeah.

And that's the weird exception. I agree that, yeah, like the week one stuff is all. But you can feel that the hype is way bigger for PS4 than it was for any of these flop ones. Sure. Sure. But I'm just saying like how many price drops did the PS3 have? And that's the problem is people remember that the PS3 and 360 had tons of price drops,

but they don't realize how long that was actually spread out in time. Let alone like the 3DS, which is like the good example of like six months. The 360 has been around for eight years now. Yeah. Yes, it's had like five price drops. It's been around for fucking eight years. Those price drops were like two, three years apart and some across multiple skews. Yeah.

And three units entirely. Yeah. No, that's it. I mean, something that I miss from way back in the day was I remember when buying a console meant you're guaranteed to get a game with it. Well, the bundle was guaranteed. Well, the Donkey Kong Country Super Nintendo bundle, I could not have been more happy. The Xbox One and PS4 are a lot closer to that now than we've ever been before.

For sure. Because you get, if you have PlayStation Plus already, you get Resogun. Yeah. If you don't, there's 30 days of PlayStation Plus in the box, so you get Resogun. Yes. If that runs out, there's $10 of PlayStation dollars in the box. Yeah. So you get three quarters of the way to Resogun.

And then Killer Instinct is fucking free on the Xbox One. So even if you're broke and you just got it, there's something to play. Yeah. And that's where I was going was I liked the idea that we're slowly finally kind of getting back to that. Yeah. I mean, Wii Sports was the first, the best game on the win. Big win, right?

Wii Sports is like, I have a feeling to half of the people who bought a Wii. Wii Sports is the Wii. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like there was no separation. And I honestly believe Wii Sports is the best launch game of all time. But like, I got, I got sad when I bought you. You said fucking, you said that zombie you like the last week.

Yeah. I was wrong when I said that. I was completely wrong. No, he means like it's a launch game that was complete and it just sold the console. And it was relevant the entire life of the system. It's the best motion controlled game on the system. It's the most fun. I love Wii Sports.

And I hate motion. I disagree. I don't think it's the best controlled, but it's very good. Yeah. I think it was enough to sell you on the promise. It's one of the most important games of the past 10 years. I would say that much. And the more you come trashed it.

Right outside babysitting. You contrast it with Nintendo Land and you realize how amazing Wii Sports is. I was sad when I bought my GameCube and there was nothing else in there. Totally lame. It's lame. I mean, I bought a copy of Waverace with it. I love Waverace Bluestone, but yeah, it didn't come with a pack. When like the handhelds, like the Vita, did the Vita come with something installed?

Yeah, it sucked. What was it? It had the little fuck. Little Deviance? No. Little Deviance was for the people who bought the first edition. Yeah, I bought that. It came with, I can't remember what it is because everyone plays it for five minutes and hides

it in a folder. Yeah. Welcome Park. The 3DS had that kind of fun face raider thing. They're pretty equivalent. Yeah. There's those little things. PlayStation 4 wasn't what the fuck it's called.

The Playroom. Which doesn't work without the camera. Yeah. Apparently it worked on by Double Fine, which is pretty cool. So I'm never going to play it. Yeah? Yeah. You're right.

Game should come in the system. Yeah. But you'd see it on the price tag, so it's never going to happen. Well, Metroid Prime Hunter's first hunt was still like my favorite for that. It came with the DS? Yeah. I can't remember that. I fucking hate it back there.

Did you buy a DS FAT? Yeah, I did. A silver one at launch? Yes. It came with Metroid Prime Hunter's first hunt. I guess I don't remember that. Those Hunter designs were so fucking stupid. They were so bad.

Except for all of them. Oh, fuck. They're fine. So PS4 launch was great. Looking forward to the X-Bone launch. Unfortunately. Well, not unfortunately. It's more just like, it's understandable in a way, but still it's like Sony comes out.

Yoshida specifically is like... Let's see how Yoshida, President of Warblade Studios. Yes. They are looking at shutting down mid-sized studios. Really? Yes. I did not see this. This was an article that came out last week.

Because the examples were the guys that made Wipeout. Right. Psygnosis got slammed. Yes. And there's another one. I forget which one. Psygnosis, the Kings of Boxer. Well, Liverpool as they were, Studio Liverpool.

But there's one other... Ah, fuck. What games did they make? It's a question. It's a PS3 game. Well, yeah. I like that. Sure.

But it's more telling of like a larger problem where if you're a mid-sized studio specifically with around 40 to 50 employees, you can't stay at that size and prosper. You need to cut down or grow. You have to slide one way or the other. The other company was Big Big. They made Little Deviants and previously... Yes, yes. Yeah.

So basically it's just like studios that would make the kinds of games that we want more of, unfortunately, are going to be suffering for a long time. See, it's really weird because we're using terms like large and small. Like Silent Hill 2 was made by like 11 people. And that was a large team at the time. Right. The smallest team now is one guy, rare. Three guys, also extremely rare, but usually about 15 people.

Yeah. Right? That's the small team. Yeah, that's indeed. And that's bigger than it used to be at the largest. So I feel like what it means is that 40 to 60 people working on a game was never sustainable ever. Like it either had to be gigantic and this enormous, ridiculous spectacle or it had

to be a regular game. Well, it was, no. There's a model that exists where they can continue to make a profit where they make a bunch of indie games, but they have to pump them out. So crazy. Like double fine. Because the average place that tries to make a bunch of indie games that has 50 employees is like, great, you made a great game.

People love it, but now you can't feed anybody. It works for you. I think the only company that's managing that is double fine. I tend to really disagree. I think it's entirely subjective. I think you look at a 40, 50 man team. They made Journey. They're rich.

They're broke. They're broke as shit. Not after they made Journey. They went fuck. The studio went fucking bankrupt. But they made a shitload of money on it. Yeah. They got it broke.

No, but please listen to what I'm saying instead of just yelling. They got funded and they made it and they made a fucking profitable game. It's about the end result. He's right. Especially when you got people back there. Journey was like, fuck, we're right. We freaked out. But Journey was like a mercenary piece.

The Walking Dead as well. Yeah, it wasn't like if they didn't make Journey. Sony said, you know, I think they had a three game contract with Sony and Sony said, we're going to give you this money. Make games. Yeah. Do thing. And they fucking ran it to pass the zero dollars to make Journey.

But they made the game-est game. But they still got paid making it. Yes. But that's the impression I get. That's Genova. Yeah. That's what he does. Totally.

He maxes out his limiters. I think- And the game is awesome. The 40 to 50 man team, I think, just doesn't work when you're just making Homefront. Yeah. You know, when you're just making frontline fuels of war. Or Resident Evil 6. Well, I'm going to-

Well, I'd say like Grasshopper. You know what I mean? Like a company like that. Well, that's because they're making a game without wide appeal. And they have to hit both. They have to get the wide appeal. And the interesting, like Journey did, like the Walking Dead did, you know? Like, it's entirely subjective, I think.

I don't think you can look and say, mid-tier companies need to go, period. Okay, that's what he's saying. Okay, well- And I don't agree with that. Okay. If that is actually what he's saying. I think mid-tier companies with mid-tier games, basically. Well, no, exactly.

Exactly. It's kind of what is happening. I think for Studio Liverpool, it was like, okay, they're making- That was kind of weird and random that they closed down. Because everyone loves that The Last Couple of White Bouts. I agree with everyone loves The Last Couple of White Bouts. But The Last Couple of White Bouts didn't sell so much. And they've also got Polyphony Digital,

makers of one of the most prolific racers ever. And they've got Evolution Studios, who at the time was making Motor Storm and is now making Drive Club. Yeah. Do we need a third? Like, does Sony need a third racing one? Yeah, but I want one to be in the future. Exactly.

Not that I don't want White Bout. Not that I'm happy. I'm so sad that they're gone. But there was a calculated reason that they didn't need one. I totally agree with you. It sucks that the middle is gone. It does. That being said, we are coming from an era in which the small was also gone.

Yeah. And the small came back. Given, I think, by the end of this generation, the small will have grown to- The middle again? No, but the small will have grown in terms of numbers to be the most. Like, there are the most games that are made by small teams. The mid will be made entirely out of small developers that grew

and the huge behemoth mega publishers. I bet a couple of them are going to go crazy bankrupt, and some will continue on. Well, I- I was going to say is that out of all of us, I think I go into stores and I look for weird dumb bullshit. You do? Hell yeah, you do.

And one thing I've noticed is that PS2 GameCube Xbox, there is so much bullshit you never knew even existed. You pick up the box and go, what the fuck is this? Here, cashier, give me this. And on, well- Ninja bread man. No, no. We're jumping the gun there.

Escape from Bug Island. Well, what I was going to say is that- Also, no. Is that we PS3 and 360, except for the Wii because, you know, games could be made cheaper. But on PS3 360, there's way less. There's still some. There's way less.

Like Morphex and Infernal Hells, whatever. Totally. Or the most things that pop in my head, like, how did this get released? Yeah. And like, these are the types of things that's like, they're not AA, they're not AAA, they're not indie, they're right in the middle,

we're going to see less in the middle. And that's the weird spot where it was like, they really needed digital to be where it is today. Totally. At that time. And once digital got there, mostly because of Steam, you saw this enormous explosion of really small games. And you saw Papers, Please, you saw Cart Life,

you saw Braid and Fez, and- Super Maze and Wagon and Veteran. Super Maze and Wagon and Veteran, the Super Meat Boy, and Binding of Isaac and Lone Survivor. Like, this enormous explosion of small games. Big trip, everything. Yeah. Everything.

And now Sony's getting to that Steam level of stuff and Microsoft's just going to be following like- It's going to get there. But we basically reset the entire industry. As a final note to Yoshida, as much as I love you, look at your highest rated PS4 exclusive. I don't like the idea that Platinum has to become anything besides Platinum. In scale or size, I want them to exist forever as what they are.

Platinum is an exception. It is. The reason Platinum is an exception is Platinum knows how to stretch a dollar. Like, fucking crazy. Every single thing that you could find about Team Fox, whatever the fuck, Koji Productions, talking about Platinum, was we can't believe how fast they got this game up and running. It was nuts.

So they have an extremely high level of talent, and they have a fan base that adores them. And they apparently, Inaba manages the talkiest motherfucker ever, that he constantly manages to find money, despite no of the games that were making any money. So they're an exception. I have a feeling that they're going to be around for a long time, but they're always going to be on the verge of going away.

I feel like they are the epitome of, do you want a vanity project? Does any company want a vanity project? And if Platinum makes you a game, that is the vanityest project you can get. You feel good about it. Well, when you say they're always going to be on the verge of whatever, it's like Metal Gear Revengeance did not sell as well as a standard Metal Gear title. But it sold pretty well. It sold pretty well, but it didn't sell up to the level.

But, more importantly than that, is Koji Pro loved them. Kojima loved working with them. Loved them, and it had a generally high review average. As high as a character action game can achieve in this industry. Where no one knows what it is. Where no one knows what it is. I'd like to think that if a company were to apply to my Nintendo, or if you could believe a Capcom, if those rumors are true,

or on Microsoft for Mysterious Expone Jogo, if they were impressed with them, and if the game isn't a huge disaster, it's like they can at least get interested. They can make a Metal Gear Revengeance too. When the business aspect comes out of it, and these guys busted it out like crazy, they hit all their deadlines, they exceeded expectations. They didn't go over budget.

Even if it didn't blow up, they are a reliable source of work in the future. They're a pinch-hitter. They may not always knock out a part, but you know they're not going to get struck out. And you know they're going to put their heart into it. Can I just point out that we are an amazing pinch-hitter at Platinum Circle Jerks? Boy, I just realized how crazy we went on top of it. We go really badly. The honest truth is when you think of a company like Nintendo,

it goes, hey guys, go make Bayo 2, go nuts, and while you're at it, make something for us. And then they go, alright, we'll make art, but we can do whatever we want, and Nintendo's like, yeah, whatever you want. And they fucking make that? Wonderful. They make a masterpiece. You're like, holy shit, you guys are sticking around?

Simultaneously, the game that totally feels like it's a Nintendo game. Yeah. It's a shame that it bombed. Bayo totally feels like a second game. But the point is that them being a mid-sized studio, it totally feels like a second game. Sounds like a Capcom game. Second game.

Not just because you put a Space Harrier sequence. You remember the part where there's a Space Harrier sequence? An Out Run music plays? If we don't get Kamiya making a Star Fox game by the end of this generation, he already made a Star Fox game. Yes, he did. Alright. Yeah, okay.

Moving along. Yeah. No, that's it. Exactly. Could you just do the date thing? Wally, Wally. We gotta get to it. We gotta move along.

I know. Stay tuned for the next episode where we only talk about platinum. They're too proud, but if they ever made a Kickstarter, how much of your fucking wallet would I give the thousands of dollars? How much can you legally give? I'm not a person who even believes in giving a Kickstarter more than like a hundred bucks. I thought, I made fun of you guys relentlessly for the money you spent on Kickstarter. If platinum fucking put up a Kickstarter, I would give them thousands of dollars,

without even thinking about it. And if they said we need this to live, I would put more. I'd mortgage my thousands of dollars. Well, basically, it's like, Kamiya needs kidneys. How many? Five. Just, I'll get them. Every two weeks, I'll deduct from my paycheck this amount.

And it will make me feel better. To be fair, did we think that Inafune would do a Kickstarter? Probably not. No. No? But once he was on his own, it was like, it became a possibility. Yeah. Well, I think platinum Kickstarter would be really expensive.

If Kamiya left platinum on his own, it would become our new secret fantasy that we would talk about every week, so I guess it wouldn't be so... We talked about it just now. Yeah. So, it's not a secret. Like, we would fucking hit that top mark so hard and go have dinner with Kamiya. If you're listening, please make a Kickstarter. Moving along, what'd you guys think of the Nintendo Direct?

It was fine. I didn't catch it. Last Wednesday, they had a little Nintendo Direct. It was focused on 3DS stuff. There was some Wii U stuff. It really shouldn't have been. It really should have been focused on the system that isn't crushing it like the 3DS is. It's getting increasingly weird that they keep focusing on 3DS when the Wii U desperately

needs their attention. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but it is more important to get the games that are on the slate immediately to succeed than it is to advertise once. It's better to double down on what's working than to... Exactly. Sorry, what I just mean is that having a Nintendo Direct focus on the system that is the best selling system in the US for the last like six months or whatever and like... What?

Not quite, but whatever. Well, it's been... The last month. The last Pokemon came out. Well, what, 435,000 sold in the Xbox 360 like a lowly 100 something or whatever. It just feels weird. I think they just kind of looked at their schedule when what's coming out. Like between worlds.

Let's talk about this shit. But don't you think that's why it makes sense? We just sold a half a million units in a month. We need to show all these people Zelda. Depends how many more people they think are out there. But also like what Wii U games are coming out now. Just give me an X trailer. Just give me another X trailer.

Exactly. 2014 is devoted to Kirby. 3D World and Link between worlds coming out on the same day. And Mario Party. And Mario Party. Yeah. Well, because it's Black Friday. Just get as many titles as you can on the shelf.

Okay, so my takeaway from the Nintendo Direct. Well, takeaway and favorite part. Let's go. They're both the same thing. Yeah. Oh, I think I know what you're going to say. Rosalina! Yeah, Rosalina.

Yeah, it was cool. That was just spoilers. Turn the beat back! Rosalina character action game. I was relatively bored with most of the Nintendo Direct, though Rosalina is totally cool. The one thing that I took away and was genuinely like, yeah, is it appears they are finally taking steps to unify a goddamn account system by at least linking the 3DS and Wii U. And you will have to do this if you want to use the stores from now on.

Yeah, I have expected Reggie to be like this. What's for you, Pat? Now, there is a horrible, horrible downside to this, which I recently discovered. Part of the process of linking your accounts together means that if, say, you live in the UK and you bought a United States 3DS and you have a balance on it, when you link it to your European Wii U account, the balance will be deleted. Why is that horrible for you? It's not horrible for me, it's horrible for people who happen to have different region

accounts. But at the same time, that kind of makes sense, because it's like you're kind of working around Nintendo's system, why would it work with Nintendo's system? It's still crappy. No, it sucks for the percentage of legitimate users, for the guys who live in Canada and set their place to Edmonton to get the lowest tax, well fuck you. What, you can do that? You can totally do that.

What? It's like how people lie on the screen. No, but I'm like, this explains things. It's like how people lie about the states they say, I'm from California, totally, so they don't get sales tax. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, so fuck you guys. I'm not saying this is a dramatic tragedy, I'm saying the fact that they're doing it

so slowly and after the fact is going to cause some growing pains. Yeah. There are going to be some problems along the way that are fucked up. You know, you'd think it would be easier to just have a matching folder account. You know what? Yeah, they have it. It's called Club Nintendo, which is why this is all so confusing. I already have my Nintendo games linked to my Club Nintendo account.

I'm not a Club Nintendo member, but like... Neither am I out there now. It's free and they send you shittier gifts every year. Yeah, totally. That was the one that fucking blew my mind. It was the amazing little mini NES style Game Boy Micro from years back. Oh, three years ago, yeah. They already have a setting in the eShop that says, connect it to your Club Nintendo account

so that your purchases are logged with your Club Nintendo account. I think we talked about it's not too long ago that they're all doing this and they're all just going to set it up for re-model. I guess, I hope so. They relaunch the system. There's the new shop. There's the new system. Yeah.

I really like... It's fucking weird. I really like seeing... I'm doing a factor because it's never going to happen. I really like seeing Bravely Default getting shown off. Yeah, they got tons of that. I'm getting rehyped for that. That got a lot of coverage.

And it deserving me so... It should be their publisher, Nick, because Square refused to. This is anti-operation rainfall now. They're actively bringing us RPGs that other people won't bring out. Operation Sunshine. Yeah, totally. I'm glad we're getting a special edition for that. Not as good as Europe's, but whatever.

Bravely Default for the sequel is the first arcade. Yeah, but the best bit to me was the Pikmin 3 DLC because I can't get enough of that game. You really love that Pikmin 3 DLC. I love Pikmin 3. To be fair, that stage inside someone's house during Christmas was fucking high. The stage designs that they're using for the new DLC are designs from the second Pikmin in particular. You can really see the resemblances. And even the first one where they have nature environments, but there's black and you can't really see much.

That almost emulates the shitty draw distance of the GameCube. But if you played the Pikmin obsessively like I have, you can kind of see it and you're like, whoa, that's really good. That's better than just new stuff. And not only Pikmin DLC, there's also going to be Ace Attorney DLC. Oh, wow. Which we knew. Like really weirdly soon.

This was known Khaleesi, but the Pikmin DLC to me really didn't like that. Is it known how much Ace Attorney DLC there's going to be? That one, six bucks. No, how many DLCs there are going to be? Probably just that one. Because in Japan, only that one. And the super Japanese one that we're never getting came out. To be fair, I will play it forever if you keep playing DLCs.

Totally. Like Ace Attorney is the perfect series for episodic. Yes. I really hope Ace Attorney gets another game right away. Bring out an Ace Attorney case every three months and buy it. Now that DLC is starting to happen on Nintendo consoles, I just wish you could go back to first party games from before. Just add some more boxers to punch out.

You know what I mean? Wow, that's the best example. What is the absolute best example? Just do it, you know? The thing that I want to have DLC is Smash. But Lord knows it's not going to have DLC. No, it's not. Which is a bummer.

Not character DLC. But that's not how Sakurai makes his game. And also, I know, but I would combine Smash content forever. Was there any DLC for Kid Icarus? No. Yes. No, that wasn't. There was that weird card bullshit in Japan.

That's not DLC, those are cards. Yeah, but it was done. They're AR cards. But there is a certain romantic idealism to Smash Brothers being a complete package. And look how much shit is in here. No, I agree. I love the purity of a Nintendo game that you can pick up 20 years down the line, and it's going to be the same game as it always was,

and it's going to be amazing. But I would keep buying content for Smash. For sure, and a lot of people would subscribe, pretty much, to Smash Brothers if they could. But Smash Brothers Elite. You mean I can get a zero suit for every character? Yeah. But you know, like Sakurai's the kind of guy in the lunch line,

he takes your plate and he fucking just shoves too much. Sakurai. Sakurai, Kamiya, Harada are the three people in the Japanese games business that I feel most exemplified that mentality of, fuck, DLC. They're admin. We're going to mail DLC and then we're just going to put it in the game. Well, Miyamoto also feels that way. He does?

Okay, cool. And I really admire that. Wait, because why would we put more in when the game was perfect? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I wish more games could be like that. And like, Miyamoto, like, he's like, do you have any DLC ideas for Super Mario Galaxy? Like, no?

Okay. Look at everything in Super Mario Galaxy. And then like, he goes home and thinks about that, and he's like, I do have some ideas. In fact, I have so many fucking ideas that here's Super Mario Galaxy 2. Well, I hear the cutting room floor was deeper than any person could stand. Totally. Okay.

It'd be great for Smash, there's anti-DLC where they'll take away Toon Link. I want to hide away. I'll pay 50 cents so that people who have Toon Link aren't allowed to join my online game. Why is it that I like Toon Link so much in Wind Waker, but I hate him and everything else? Because he's a waste of a slot. That sounds true. The problem with Smash and the wasted slots,

the clone characters are terrible. But we know they're not wasted because they're less effort, but it just feels like a waste. It feels like a waste. Because we're not thinking in terms of actual effort. We think of there are 40 slots. It's like, if his character select box was smaller, then you'd feel a bit better.

Yeah, they have the size hidden behind the link kind of. You know, you'd feel better. Like, no one gets mad about Sheik and Zelda. Yeah. Share a box. Do you guys draw the line at Ganondorf, or is Ganondorf the worst thing? No, Ganondorf needs to exist.

What I think they should do, they just keep making him more and more different. I think his brawl iteration is great, except that he's the worst character. He should be Wind Waker Ganon. I think that's cool, but he's my favorite character because of the way he plays, so I have to consider it.

You already have Captain Falcon. I would rather have a new character. Wind Waker Ganon with the punch. He needs more than the punch, he needs the side, he needs the grab, the choke. No, but you know, it's like, Wind Waker Ganon's the cool one, but me and all the Ganon fans are like,

we need the Ganon the way he is, so there's no happiness. Sure, but the point of the story is he'll never make anyone happy. Yeah, exactly. So, Kamiya, keep making games, and we're all hatred and saccharized. Yeah, no, that's it.

It's like, hey, look, Marth's in the game. Yeah, I know. Whatever. Yeah, I know, right? Who's next? Who's next? Please show me Simon Belmont. Only for trailers. They're only going to show the trailers.

Yeah, Simon Belmont. Whatever. Show me Alucard. Show me fucking Red. I want Snake. Wonder Red is totally going to be in this thing. Totally. I'm going to nods right here.

Or Platinum Robo. Pat's usually the one that gets the most angry, but if it turns out Smash does not have little Mac, but Toon Link is in it, I will flip my shit on this podcast. Little Mac. He's ridiculous. Little Mac had the, you know, he had the assist trophy,

and you were like, yay, Little Mac should be in the fucking game. Yes. Not only that, if that was it, if there was no punch out for the Wii, I'd be like, yes, chances. Punch out for the Wii sold over a million copies. And it was great.

And it was like a really awesome punch out. And he was reintroduced and he has more going on now. So how about you ditch fucking ice climbers who nobody use a fuck about? I know. Tournament players. Fuck them. Smash is not for tournament players.

It's for people like me who play casual. Ditch Lucas. Ditch. Like there's characters. Ditch. Ditch Ness. Why Ness? Why Ness?

No. No, because Lucas is a lot more fun to play than Ness. I think he's one. But like there's one of those two to ditch before you, you know, and like Wolf can kind of fuck off. Ditch Marth. Who wants to fuck? The Pokemon trainer has to be there because they got to push Pokemon.

Take out Marth, put in Chrom. Yo, I would be so bummed if Marth's alt costume isn't spoilers Lucina. Yeah. I would be so. Because we've already seen male Wii fit trainers. I could easily see them removing Ike and putting in Chrom. Yeah, I think they're going to do that, in fact. Ike was in bra, right?

Yeah. And it'd be a weird pull, but I said it last time, just Wolf Link and Midna on his back. Yeah. Swap Wolf for that. Go. Go. Uh, did you guys?

Yes. You did? Me too. Me too. All of us. What did you think of it Pat? It was hot. Not as hot as you.

Burned a little more than I thought it was. So I was in line about half an hour ahead of time. Right. And there was this guy. How long are you going to keep this on? I kind of, I was like, hold up. Wait, what? I started listening for real.

I'm like, where is this fake narrative going to go? Uh, VGX. VGX. VGX. The newly christened VGAs. Oh, fuck off. Is it VGA, video games, Xtreme, Expo? Is Tak Fuji the fucking headmaster?

No, you can't make jokes about Tak Fuji. Why? He has cancer now. Shit. That sucks. I love Tak Fuji. You know what type? We all love Tak Fuji.

What? It's terrible. I know. We're all thinking it. I wasn't thinking it. That's terrible. Holy, what's up with this normal word show? Can I call this episode extreme cancer?

I don't know. What's up with this bullshit we don't care about? Game of the year. What? The nominees are... BioShock Infinite. No. GTA V.

No. Super Mario 3D World. What is the game that's not out yet? We don't know. Game Raider. Bro. And The Last of Us. Yes.

I feel like there are way better games. I feel like there are tons of way better games. Oh, I don't know. Like PlatinumGames? Oh, hey. Like there are two PlatinumGames? No, he told me about this. Revengeance got its premiere trailer at the VGA.

That doesn't mean at the same time that it has a show for them. It should have been nominated. I think I'm so bummed that Revengeance is neither in best soundtrack where three of the four songs are licensed. One by Eminem, one by...what's his face? The Chuni crossover? The Chuni-Bio crossover? Kendrick Lamar. One by Kendrick Lamar.

Like there's licensed music and Revengeance doesn't make it in there? Oh man, there should not...best soundtrack should automatically have two sections. One for licensed and one for marriage license. Having them combined and then giving most of the category to licensed music is fucking disgusting. Like Saints, Rogan... Wait, why do we care about the integrity of this piece of shit? Yeah, that's true. Well, because Dark Souls 2 got announced.

They had people fucking teabagging developers on the fucking thing last time. Because gaming award shows are... Who gives a shit? Exactly. Who gives a shit about award shows? We just watch them for the reviews. We're gonna have an award show, it's gonna be great. Yeah.

And the award for everything goes to Platinum Forever. Can we put our thing on Spike? Do they accept this caliber? They accept Jeff Keely's stuff, shit. Aw, come on, I like Jeff. He's the guy that created this thing. Sure. But he created it with a good intention.

It feels like it ran away from him. It became a horrible monster on its own. He didn't stick the landing. We'll create a Keely statue of Doritos in Mountain Dew. Oh man. And then they'll totally give us them. That sounds delicious. Hey, do you guys like Doritos?

Actually, I don't. McDonald's. McDonald's, okay. Studio of the Year. Irrational Games. This is the weird guy. Fucking Boo. What did Irrational even do?

What did Irrational even make? Bioshock. Bioshock. This is gonna be the fucking studios that made the nominations for Game of the Year. It's the Fulbright Company. They made Gone Home. Gone Home's a good game. But I pretty hard...

How does that make them a studio of the year? This category is bullshit. The best studio should be the studio that put out the best games. So best studios should be Game of the Year. Didn't I also make sure I'll win it at some point? It did at some point. I'd also want it for... Not for that.

But like, whatever. For DX. No, no, they want studio of the year. I even posted some VGA's. No, not a VGA's. But they want it somewhere. That's a more legit thing. Yeah, no, it wasn't the Doritocracy Awards.

Space World. What's the fourth one? Naughty Dog. Fuck off. Naughty Dogs. Yeah, they're good. It's three of the four games that are also in the goddamn game. But didn't you just say that they should be the ones in the running for Game of the Year?

Yeah, it makes the whole thing move. Yeah, it makes the category fucking stupid. Of course, of course it does. It's pretty much... Unless the category is what studios have the best working conditions and wages. So what are the nominees for best Japanese Game of the Year? Because Lord knows they're all collected into one thing. The award for best Nippon goes to...

No. The Vita. How many spots did mine get in there? It was. Brownist, Shooter, Battlefield, Bioshock, Ghosts, and Metro last night. Does it actually say that? No. Okay.

What was that category for? Best Shooter. Well, who gives a shit? I know. I know. You just... My point was, as soon as I was done with that category, everything else on this list is the same games I've just sent. I was gonna say...

Going right down. Even RPGs. There's only two things where I look at them and it's like, okay, which is best Nintendo game. We're wonderful one-on-one snuck in, but probably because there were only four Nintendo games placed. RPGs. Made by Nintendo? Yeah, what's RPGs? RPGs?

RPGs. Because best Sony game and best Xbox game are fucking third parties all the way. Okay, look. What's the RPG list? RPGs are Realm Reborn, Fire Emblem, Nino Cooney, and Pokemon XY. Pokemon XY. Pokemon XY beat out SMT-4. Oh shit, SMT-4 isn't in there.

Yep. Even I know that should be in there. That's fucked up. Yeah. And I- Wait, when did the fucking Golden come out? Two years ago. Two years ago.

Shit, I can't remember nothing. Golden should win every year. Best fighting game. Didn't Golden win? Oh god, oh god. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the best fighting game? Injustice?

Tekken Revolution? Oh! Killer Instinct? Yeah. Shills! Maybe. Paid. It's not out.

It's not out. How can you get paid by a game that's free? And Dive Kick? Dive Kick. Oh, that's up there? Dive Kick got, oh god. Shit. And it's up against a bunch of shit.

Man, nice. That beat out Aquapazza for a spot. And nothing else here is worth naming. So, on to the next piece of news. Well, there's one. Oh, Troy Baker? The Troy Baker Award? No, I was going to say Best Boy.

Because Troy Baker is in the Troy Baker Award. Wait, is it actually called the Troy Baker Award? Best Voice Actor. Okay, because Johnny Baum used to do the Northies. Okay. So, like, when you say the Troy Baker Award, like, did they fucking rip off Johnny Baum? Troy Baker is up for half of the nominations for Best Voice Actor. And Troy Baker, where as Nolan Norr should get it in the statue.

Absolutely. And they should impersonate each other. Is the statue that you went in the VGX is just a bag of Doritos? Like a golden bag of Doritos? No, it's a giant dick. Is it a surfboard? Oh, it's a surfboard. Well, I want to say I'm happy that Tarroway made it into handhelds.

Because nothing ever penetrates that Nintendo zone. Usually not. And I'm happy to see one make it. Yeah, Tarroway got fucking even noticed that it existed by the VGX. Yeah. Someone farted in its general direction. Although, to that end, it really shows like... Atlas never gets any goddamn love.

But you know when they will get love? Oh, yeah. Next week's fucking podcast. Or this week's. When they announce Captain 2? This week's? Well, next week's. But there's a little bit of love in this week's podcast.

There is a little bit of love. But next week's we're just going to... Yeah, but this week is important. Yeah, this week is the foreplay. Yeah. Next week you got Captain 1 and 1. And it's not the foreplay. The Atlas took its bra off.

Oh. And you were looking through the window. Yeah. Because... I like how this is going. Because what people did is they people have been scanning, you know, a teaser website. Yeah. That's when the bushes getting sweaty.

I mean the bushes. No, but there's the Atlas teaser website. Atlas knows you're looking. She's kind of a dancer. She loves it. She loves it. Sorry. I saw.

I saw things. Atlas has a teaser website that says 1124 APM. Yeah. Everyone assumes it will be Persona. People have been watching the website like Hawks. Someone finally got the registry. The registry recently changed. That website is going to be Persona5.jp.

Yeah. Oh, that's confirmed. Oh, that's confirmed. Unless they bought the site to trick us. Yeah, it's confirmed. Like it's going to turn into Persona5.jp. It's going to be Game of Thrones 2. Okay.

So we know what it is. We just have to wait until they leave the room and we can climb in through the window. Yeah. Yeah. I mean come out of the house. I mean whatever. Invite us in. Invite us in.

Yeah. Next week. Yeah, that game and another one. Persona5 was happening. Throw pebbles at the window. Yeah. I don't know. I got a hype one next week too.

Oh. I'm really, you guys know I'm super excited for Freedom Wars. Oh, shit. Next week they're showing off the gameplay on the 21st for Freedom Wars. I also am excited, but not excited enough to say anything. No, that's the one. That's good. So what were you going to talk about Persona?

No. Oh, we'll get there. What? We'll get there. Okay. It's probably in fighting game news. It's about my crack addiction. We don't talk about that.

I just didn't talk about that. I think I'm ready to talk about it. I don't have an addiction to crack. Not yet. The first stage is not. I'm not famous enough. Yo, guys. Not yet.

Not yet. Yo, guys. ResilGun looks pretty dope. ResilGun looks pretty fucking dope. It's pretty dope. I'm a little weirded out. You've put it into the news category. Yeah, I don't.

So where's this going? Well, no. It was just like straight up. It just, it looks really cool. It is. I was checking. As pushmups are on console launches. Exactly.

I just wanted to take the moment to say, I enjoy that we can christen every generation with a really hype shmup. Yeah. Geometry Wars. You said nanostrace. Nanostrace. Super Stardust HD. And now fucking ResilGun.

I hope this trend continues forever. Well, it's not going to. Well, it's not going to. Because it's like within launch window. I want to say or remember hearing about one. The Xbox One. Does it have a shmup? Nanostrace is the one I think of.

Yes. It's called Crimson Dragon. It's different. It's kind of almost. If they do, then we don't know. If you're going to christen the idea of next gen shmup, it being defined by lots of shiny particles everywhere, then killer instinct would fill this role. You can shoot fireballs.

There you go. Yeah. Also happy that our shmup god friend managed to get sixth. Don't do that. He's not there anymore. Okay. He's not really high. He got really high.

On the leaderboard. Yeah. And Europe. Exactly. Whatever. He's not there anymore. It's moving. That's a specific number though.

Sure. And like, dude just killed it as usual. Yeah, he flattened it. He's crazy. He's great at shmups. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. ResilGun's amazing. I was playing it at work briefly because I brought my PS4 out there.

You're nuts by doing that, by the way. I had a lot of fun. Keep this fucker brings consoles to places. Oh, why? Anyway, there was one of these consoles right there. Multiple. Which one of these three? Which one of these three?

There was a guy looking over my shoulder as I finished the level and he saw the section that is basically ResilGun.gif. Yeah, yeah. It's the end of level two. ResilGun.gif. It's the end of level two. And he saw that and he was just like, wow. Like, we should use foxels more often.

Foxels are radical guys. Yeah. And then in the coming of Creative Johnny, Geometry Wars got closed down. It's Bizarre Creation. It totally did. Activision killed it. Microsoft is gonna money it back though because it's one of the few licenses that people associate with the X-Tex.

Activision still has the IP. But Microsoft will money it back. You have to wonder if it was like, it was like half gameplay, half music. Which genre? Geometry Wars. Geometry Wars, yeah. What was the achievement in that game for not shooting? Pacifist.

That's the only thing that could be called. Yes. It was fucking insanely difficult. It was awesome. And it was so good when he finally mailed it. It was so good. Icaruga had Dot Eater. Dot Eater.

Yeah. And in Geometry Wars 2 you had Smile. Yeah. Which was complete the challenge section in a way that creates a happy face. Ridiculous. Like fucking nuts. It was great. Yeah, ResilGun has like beautiful level using only boosts.

Don't shoot anything. You got boost power. You got boost power. Exactly. I don't, I know, before you just shut it down, have you seen the limited edition White Uya? Yeah, I did. Damn it. I didn't get a chance to shut you down yet.

It's 130 bucks. How much does the regular Uya cost? A regular Uya cost 100 bucks. That's bullshit. That it's 30 bucks more for just the color. No. It's double the storage space. Yeah.

It's stuff, yeah. But it's still the Uya, right? It's an Uya. It's pretty, it's white. It's partially like looking like a Dreamcast in a way. It's kind of nice. It's pretty nice. Fade is now sealed.

It also has an abysmal controller. That lets you customize. Yeah, four pad honeys. Or that, yeah, that too. But no, and they're basically going for not last ditch, but like they're trying to rally the game. Hey man. As much as we make fun of the Wii U, the Uya is like out in the parking lot crying compared

to the Wii U. At least the Wii U games were inside E3. Sure. At least the Wii U was like allowed into the party. In their defense, they do still have a ton of money left. And you have to think though that like this. That they took from everyone. You have to think they did.

They got a bunch of grants after that and companies were like, oh, people do want this. Like there is demand. Now that they're offering that deal where it's like pony up some cash and we'll double it for you. Yeah. You have to think some shits in the works, right? That got super dirty. It got really scammy, but there's some actual good stuff that came there.

But like it was not a well thought out plan. It was well thought out, but fuck did they get fucked on something. I don't know. I have an Uya. There's like six or seven good games. Yeah, I kickstarted it. There's like six or seven legit good games on it that I really like. I kickstarted the Uya the day it was announced.

And then by the end of the day went, what the fuck am I doing? And canceled it. Wow. No, I like it. I think it's fun. It's obviously it needs more software and better hardware, but like it's nifty. Yeah. That's usually problems with consoles.

Sure. But it's nifty. Like for sure. It was a good gadget purchase for a hundred bucks. And at least it's a cheap thing. Does it have emulators? I was told it has emulators and we could just use it to like emulate like N64 games which are tough to record.

Uh, I haven't tried it N64. Yeah, it works just fine. If you felt like breaking the law, which you shouldn't have. We've never broken the law. Never, never. Never. I'm not mean. Remember when I brought my NES to your place last week?

What? Remember when I brought. Hey, Willie, what else is in the news? Is it also not- Something that never occurred to me, actually. Which is? Decidia? There's gonna be a new decidia.

No, not even that. What? Decidia? You have decidia. And Theatrhythm? Ah. Uh, were made to introduce Final Fantasy to a new generation of fans. And I was like, hold on a minute.

What's the deal here? I remember reading that slightly differently. I remember when I read it, it was teenagers like Decidia and Theatrhythm, way more than recent numbered games. A lot, a lot of people, a lot of Japanese kids never even played the numbered games. Yeah, you know why? Because those young kids grew up in a time when the numbered games were fucking shit. Yeah.

You and their kids? Yeah. Well, but I mean, look at it. They were kids when 12 came out, then 13 came out, and this was the time they would have got a console, right? Yeah. And then what? You're gonna play 13 and 13, too.

And they weren't playing 14, because only people with good computers could play 14, and kids don't have good computers. Like, the last, the last great Final Fantasy game that had a number at the end of it that no one could argue about was 9. That came out on fucking PS1. Although I think most people acknowledge 10 and 12 are good at playing because it's the best one. The article that, that particularly interests me is, when you ask kids and their teams about

their favorite Final Fantasy titles, Desidia and Final Fantasy Type Zero are more popular than the main numbered series. Guess what? And then I just see Liam sitting in the crowd like, like Ralph Wiggum, where you can zoom in on the exact moment that his heart breaks. My heart is breaking, but, but Sony might bring it. Sony keeps saying they want to do it. They keep using the name Type Zero.

They keep saying crazy shit, like they want to bring that Shenmue. Do it. What the fuck? They said it. No, they said it. They're saying insane shit. But like Type Zero is the one where it's like, that's actually a really fucking good game.

Yeah, there have been hints, I forget. It's not just, alright, like, it is a really good game, not like Famitsu 39, like no, no, it is a real game. Again, a lot of kids are like, that's their FF, like the one they know. There have been hints coming out of that Sony, like third party weird fucking things. Like, Mercenary Studio, we're gonna get it, we're gonna get it, we're gonna get it for the players that we rule playing game fans might have something to look forward to in the near future.

The next year. Which could fucking mean anything. Finally, Captain Rainbow. It could mean fucking Persona 5, and they're just piggybacking off the title. Captain Rainbow on the Vita, sure, but more profitable than the Wii version. If that Sony third party thing, like, actually brings back fucking Shenmue, like every, every fantasy is now real. Right?

A company would do that. A company would be insane to lose that much money. I don't really want Shenmue to come back. Like, Wuli, you and I were just talking the other day about laughing at the Shenmue online trailer. Yeah! I don't want it to come back. I liked Shenmue, and I'm still saying fuck it.

You like that it, like, it got out of the game and to, what if it, what was it, 13 games long? Yeah. What if it was Yakuza 6, Shenmue? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cause it's just like, I like it, but I like it even better dead. Why?

You don't want to find out what happened after the second one? Cause no! Did you play the second one? It's not great! It's alright. It's good until the point. What an amazing franchise. It's weird.

Anyway. At least the Dreamcast set us farm song. Fucking Kowloon. Um, did you, uh, yeah, actually not. Maybe you guys saw it. You want to tell everybody a bit about, uh, that random as fuck Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor game? Yeah.

That came out of nowhere. The fuck is that? Didn't it come the fuck out of nowhere? What am I looking at? Hey, man. Everyone, do you want to play Lord of the Rings Dark Souls? Cause that's what we're making. And it looks awesome.

Yeah. Maybe? Yeah. That world has the kind of tone that UK could work. You're a ranger, you're in Mordor only, and you're being possessed by a ringwraith. And you're bringing Witsima to sword. You're bringing that fucking broken ass sword that the guy used to stab a sword in the dick. Yes, the king of the kings blade.

No, you have to admire the burning vigor spirit of whoever owns- A Warner Brothers. Who's making this? Warner Brothers. Yeah. Monolith. Monolith is making this? Like American monolith.

But like Warner and the people taking care of the LOTR like game franchise thing, refusing to go down. Yeah. They will not be forgotten. They will not die. Do you know why that is? Do you know why that is? Cause they look back at the PSG GameCube era where those co-op.

Those games were awesome. That were awesome. The two towers and the tournaments. Yeah, exactly. Those games were fucking awesome. So amazing. Like all three of them or whatever. And people love them.

Yeah. And everyone loves them. And then after that, just nothing. They just fucked the franchise. War for the North. War for the North. War for the North. And the RTS is totally bombed.

Yeah. Conquest. The only like arguably good one in there is like the Third Age. Well, they realize that it's a- I said Third Age, I like the Third. I like the two. They realize it is a franchise like fucking Star Wars. And they are squandering it just like Star Wars is squandering it.

I am so excited by this new Lord of the Ring game announcement. Like and I love that it came out of nowhere. No leaks, no nothing. Like I love that. That's great. And the next, there were leaks and we knew Mad Max was coming. This game and it's going to sound a little hyperbolic, but this game is like yeah, next gen.

It like next gen is here, but next gen is coming. Yeah. Don't get crazy because I remember seeing in the thread on NeoGaff for someone saying, I'm looking at the screenshots, they're not saying what version is from because it's for the 360 PS3 as well. Yeah. They're like right now, like that's what it looks like, then it's probably that version or it doesn't look great.

Yes. Don't forget your hype is ethereal right now. You're looking at concept art. Yeah. But the concept is brilliant. Sure. The idea sounds cool. It's at least pretty cool.

I like though how it's kind of like they're making it way cooler than the Lord of the Rings action. Yeah. Totally. Video game. But isn't that the same route that Force Unleashed tried to go down? Totally. Make it cooler than it's sourced.

The idea of you take this overly manicured source material and you go fucking super weird with it in a direction that you would never think a company would allow. Yeah. Yeah. Rolling into some FGC news, let's just go through this pretty quickly. The most obvious one being, hey, the third feature for Ultra is finally now. Oh, is it? Shit, how do I fucking miss this?

You guys missed this. How do I miss it? You're working good. Why didn't you call me? Nice. You were fucking reading. I have a lot of stuff to do. There's a system that just launched.

We're playing the Assassin's Creed. It's not guard break. Well, fuck everything. Why don't you guys take some last guesses? Just, oh sure. Don't tell me it is delayed wake up. It's totally delayed wake up. Well, fuck Street Fighter 4 then.

I don't care anymore. Because it's delayed wake up or because it's like guard break? Really? Because Red Ultra is in five new characters. I hate delayed wake up. I hate it. What about depending on what the last character is? What's the last character?

No, let's say the last character is a character you love. Delayed wake up? Is it Dante? Yes. Delayed wake up? Yes, it is. Wake up is the answer to bullshit unblockables and candy. I guess.

I never liked delayed wake up. Stronger oki is necessary. Didn't we talk about how guard break would make it more offensive? Yes. How is this game more offensive now? But you know what? Someone pointed something out and I'm like, it's true. We're kind of idiots.

If you're paying attention to what's happening at the high level at the very least, offense is everything. And Gen and Akuma and Fae and everyone in your face is wrecking shit offensively. And they do need the ability to not completely throw the defense game into the spin dryer, but just add something that's to stop their strongest, most unavoidable steps. But for everyone that's not the highest level. For people that are average players, for you, you don't care about delay wake up. It doesn't change anything for you.

Because you're not concept. I don't know. But guard break makes sense to me. But I know, because when's the last time you threw some bunny, did two crouching shorts and then a jump in for the perfect time? I did that once by a mistake of yours. I don't know. If I'm not, I'd say an average player now.

I used to be above average, I hope. But I'm not mad because, oh, I'm not high level. I like guard crush. I know. I agree. I hate delayed wake up. Yeah, I don't like delayed wake up either. I think it's lame.

That's my problem. Okay. Is that it's fucking lame. Again, I think it's a necessity at the way the game is being played now. There's too much, like, brute memorization that's unavoidable, where you can straight up do throws into cross-ups that are, the person has no idea what's going to happen themselves. I'm doing the move to you and I don't know which side it's going to land on.

This point is Street Fighter IV's life cycle. What do you think is more important? Catering, who's playing it, or doing something to get maybe other people that have stopped playing it. Yeah, you're right. It's catering to the people who's playing it. I think the fact that this is a third option that wasn't even going to be there from day one, that they just decided to throw in. Suddenly create some negativity where there would have been none

if you guys didn't know there was a third option to begin with. I just got my hopes up. Exactly. Imagine if there was no third thing. No. Then this discussion never happens. But, like, don't get us wrong, we're all going to buy Ultra on day one. Totally, right?

Absolutely. Which makes this conversation through. It's like that extra feature that you guys accidentally threw in. What a bummer. Like, fuck. No, it's like it's fine, but I've never been a fan. I thought it was going to be a guard guard. Anyway.

I'm like, tune Lincoln it. I'm like, it really is one of my fun setups. On the PC, someone totally put tune Lincoln it. Yeah. Fuck. The piece of fighting game music Smash Brothers, you see that Galaxy stage? Yeah. The gravity affects the match.

I love that. The gravity affects the match. That's so good. That's such a genius idea. That's great. Like, I'm like, how did this not happen before? Well, because it wasn't around before. It wasn't out yet.

Yeah. Yeah. Dur. And last thing to say on fighting games, Matt, we can just, like, it's five minutes to just talk about, you know, KI reviews looking pretty good so far. Have you seen the lineup? Based on the fact that there's not, we can't play anyone right now because of review code right now.

Yeah. Willie, what's that money you're counting right there? It's a lot of money. Oh, yeah. It's just subtle. Exploding action. Now I'm getting killer instinct. It's great.

I love it. 11 on 10. I think we were all mean and all of us were playing Dragon's Crown when Liam showed us Bear Thunder. Yeah. What Shadow Jago looked like and how crazy the customization was. It looks cool. It's sick.

All that is like, if they add more of that DLC, like, whatever, like painting on it. I wish I cared more about the style. But it means straight up, like, Event Humps posted a little thing and it's like the words in from a bunch of these places, IGN 8.4 on 10, 8 on 10, 4 on 5, 0XM 7. Like, it's pretty decent. Scoring very good. That being said, reviews for a game that's fucking free don't really matter. Also a fighting game by the gaming press.

Right. And more importantly, how many of those points are paid, right? Everyone's a fucking shill, right? All of them, clearly. On the flip side, this is a fighting game getting, I think it's got like, what, a 75 Metacritic right now? Yeah. Getting a 75 Metacritic with nothing outside of training and versus.

Yeah. Well, there's more stuff than that, but sure. But not much. There's no story. It doesn't have a technical single player suite. Which, considering, since Street Fighter IV's main, oh, fuck this game by game reviewers, was, I don't look, these cutscenes are not as good. Yes!

Thank you for remembering that bullshit. You've removed the single player and it gets better. Oh my God, guys. Fucking hypocrites that don't know shit about fighters. No, it's great. Kill Instinct totally deserves it. To be fair, those cutscenes too far from were terrible. I know.

And they're ripe with material. Liam, you got to link me, to remember to link me to that picture of whatever, Jago handing you money. Jago handing you money? Yeah. I got to find that one again. Got to find that shit. If anyone has that picture of Jago handing woolly money, please send it to us.

Post it in the thing. Yeah. Really quickly, since I mentioned Shadow Jago, so we've been, like, Microsoft's been very secret about what Shadow Jago was. Just a little pre-order thing that you get when you get Xbox Live. Okay. And it was me figuring out that, like, yeah, it's basically evil Jago with different VO, different effects on his moves.

And for launch, he'll be most, like, the same as Jago. But during the first season of content, they're going to change him up to be a different character. Cool. Awesome. Which is pretty neat. Is that, like, part of that, like, day one package thing? Yeah. Okay.

I think that's a neat thing, the day one package. Yeah, I like that idea. Plus, he looks like Skeletor, so. Yeah. But, like, you think Spinal Wood? I eat your way away to not getting an Xbox One going to your houses and beating you at Killer Instinct. Also.

Sure. Them fighting words. They're literally fighting words. By the way, just for the people who have no idea or whatever, we're totally just addressing the bullshit. No, Willie, come on. Come on. Some people don't know.

Some people don't know. Check won't clear. Try and clear the air. Okay. Microsoft's listening to this podcast right now. They're going to mention it. They're going to mention it. Cancel payment.

Okay. So shut your mouth. Yeah, shut your mouth. Filthy just deleted you from his podcast. And just move on. Move on to the emails. Right before the emails. Whatchamacallit.

Here's your little bit. Here's a little of this one for you. It's for me. Anime movie news. Persona 3, the movie. Yeah. The trailer. That's what he was getting at.

Yeah. When he talked about Atlas before. Yeah. That's it. Okay. Yeah. The trailer looks good. The anime for 4 was good.

This is going to be the fucking same thing. But for 3 and a movie form. That's it. For 2 movies. Hopefully they end it with a Persona 5 trailer. Yeah. Can you imagine the hype of the audience? Yeah.

Because the trailer will come out. Let's say the end of Persona 3 movie will have the P5 trailer. The P5 website goes live that night. So there's no in between where people are going to the theater to record the trailer. Unless they go there expecting that. It's just people coming out and going, oh my god, there was a fucking trailer for it. At the end of Fatal Fury the Motion Picture one of the most underrated anime movies of all time.

Yeah. That shit's great. At the end of the movie finishes it says Fatal Fury special in stores now. Please buy. Rad. Please buy. Nice. It is letter time.

What is it? Why? It is in fact letter time. Letters. But we don't read letters. Nope. We have electronic mails. Yep.

We have Microsoft picking all our letters for us. They do. This week is Microsoft sponsored. There was no ad because it's secret. Yeah. Um. If you have a letter and you would like to send it to us so we'll read it on the air. Where should they send it?

You could send that to, fuck. Thank you. Awesome. At gmail.com. Yes. One more time. What's that again? Me?

It's super best friendcast at gmail.com. And if you do we'll read it on the air and it might sound a little something like this. I was going to say if you do, if you're not down with that something. We need a really old time vinyl record player and it would sound like this. And he puts some mood music on. Yeah. He's on into it. That would require work.

So fuck that. Get some candles too. Yeah. I've been asked, hey guys, can I have your friend codes and put them on X, Y? No. No. This will extend to everything ever. That's similar in question.

And this isn't just you by the way Ivan. This is thousands of people. Moving along. Just as an aside, I had someone try to add me to Xbox Live. I don't know how you got my name. Magic. You're a stranger. I don't know you.

I did not reply to his thing. And then two days later he said fuck you, the least you could do is answer. No, I'm sorry. You're a stranger. You're actually a stranger. You are a stranger. There's a reason Nintendo gives me safe from you. My parents told me not to talk to strangers.

Yes, stranger danger. Unless they're hot. You're also one of thousands. I'm sorry. Yeah. But aren't you stoked? Wow, you guys sound like such fucking asshole primandanas. No, but I was about to say on the X bone you can have infinite followers.

Yeah. So get hyped for that. Infinite followers. And on PS4 I can set PSN that even if you see my name you can't add me. Yeah. Sure. If someone tries to add you but you don't add them back they can just follow you. Yeah, that sounds safe.

Yeah. That's what's going on. What is following and tail. They get to see your activities. It's like Twitter. It's like the Twitter. That's kind of like being thrown in your face. Like look I'm playing this game.

No, it's like Matt Gauss and Ivan. Yeah. Matt beat the tutorial in Crimson Dragon. Brandon wants to know Yozai Batsu. Matt threw out Crimson Dragon. They programmed that one in. Sorry. Yozai Batsu, what was your favorite cartoon?

Oh, wow. Is that the end of that sentence? I simplified it. Can we assume it's growing up? Yeah. Let's narrow it to growing up. I obviously am going to, can I exclude reboot or do I have to just say reboot? Yeah.

No, you have to say reboot. I don't have to say reboot. No, he said reboot. But if I'm going to exclude reboot then I'd want to just throw something interesting out there. I'd say Exo Squad is the fucking shit. Shit. I was going to say Exo Squad.

Exo Squad, if you were going to say Exo Squad. Oh my God. Exo Squad was fucking unbelievable. Yes. I'm going to go out and say Gargoyles. You should. Yeah. That was my favorite.

Very worthy. Yes. Street Fighter, the animated cartoon. Oh, go to hell. Go to hell. How about you go to hell? How about if you realize if that wasn't for that, we would not be here. Yeah, but shut up.

Go on, boss. And it was on at the time. Thanks, chief. Yeah, there you go. Shit. I'll see you in hell. Street Fighter cartoon, if that didn't exist, none of us would be here. Well, the cat would.

Fair enough. No, probably not. No, actually. Yeah. We might be in my apartment. Yeah, you would. Anyway, you don't know what we're talking about. Do I?

You don't. No, you don't. That's true. Matt would be, you'd be sad somewhere in an art gallery. Plank ticket. Not working. Not working. Not getting paid.

As a real, like, actual growing up thing, it's like, I'd probably just regular old G.I. Joe and transform. Hmm. Okay. Can't beat the Americas. Way to be surface guy. Pat. What?

I said exo squad, dude. Oh, you're going to see that? Yeah. That's what's fucking cool. Okay. Okay. All right. You remember when we, when you guys helped me move into my place?

Get all those toys. I had all the fucking exo squads and you guys would just, oh my God, you have the fucking exo squad. Your JT Marsh was in good condition. They're all in great condition. They're in the same box untouched. Yeah. Okay.

As a note, my friend has all the street shark. You know what? Fuck it. It's great. You're right. X-Men Fox Kid Spider-Man. X-Men was fucking radical. X-Men and exo squad.

Yeah. Oh, I liked X. Yeah. I liked that Spider-Man opening a lot. There's a question here, but I don't know how to, I don't think it's possible to ask it without it just blasting into spoiler territory. What? What spoilers for what?

Matt asks, hey best friends, what's your favorite video game heel turn? Yeah. Right? What's your favorite heel turn? Dark Souls, when you join the Dark Wraith Covenant and you find out what's been going on. Can you just define heel turn for me? I've never heard the phrase.

Good turn, bad. Oh, okay. When a good guy becomes a bad guy. Okay. And not vice versa? No. No. Okay.

Turning towards being a heel. Yeah. Which is a bad guy. Oh. Mad spoilers for Baton Kitos. Okay. No one cares. Where?

Where are you worried for a minute and then I stopped being worried. Where the main character is one of the last bosses. That's good. That's awesome. Amazing. You're playing through the game and you're actually this like a fairy or sprite and like you have this main guy and then you fight him. Can I, can I change my answer slightly?

It's Dark Souls one when either you join the Dark Wraith Covenant and find out what's been going on or beat the game and link the flame. Yeah. The best heel turn of all time. I'm having a hard time with this one. Oh. Mine is like when you finish the game it doesn't turn out to be like that but when the boss turns and says I'm working for the USSR now, now of course when you finish it you know

it's not as easy as all that. Yeah I guess. But the fact that because I didn't know anything about Mellgrissal 3 at all I never, I like I watched the initial trailer but when that happened I was just like wait, what? And that's early. That's early in that. It's like the first thing that happens in that game. No I'm having a hard time grabbing one so I'm going to go with one in recent memory

that I had fun with, Kid Icarus. There's a pretty good one in that that I'm not going to spoil but it's the one I'm thinking of. It's fun. It's fun. Oh man that was a good one. It's not the best but it's fun. Yeah.

I really like some Phoenix Wright game where Phoenix is like it was me all along. There is a Phoenix Wright game that has an amazing heel turn and it's one of the best cases in the entire series and it's case 2-4. I mean Phoenix though. Matt Omgard. Right? Matt Omgard. Say the name.

Dude I said the case. You don't have to say the name. Everyone's finished with it though. That game is kind of old. It's like 10 years old. Exactly. I've been 10 years old. It's a GBA game.

It's a GBA game but if it's Phoenix himself it's like I actually did go on like boy that. Okay. Again just this one's a quick like. Ask it then. Yeah. Oivind. I'm saying that wrong. Oivind.

I'm saying that wrong because it's an oh what the slash through them through them. Oh. Nice. That sounds like Swedish or something. Yeah. It's pronounced ka-ja. Thank you. Sorry.

Oivind. Do you remember the first game you've ever played? Yeah. The very first. Yep. Duck Hunt. Duck Hunt? Duck Hunt?

Yeah. Easy. I mean it's pretty much was but like just to make it more interesting that because it's Duck Hunt for me. It was the first game. Yeah. Yeah. If you went to game two for me it'd be Super Mario's one.

Okay. Yeah. Exactly. No actually I'd Cobra Triangle it would be game two. Thank you. Yeah. It was because for me it was either honestly Cobra Triangle, Duck Hunt or Dragon Warrior and I want to see Dragon Warrior because that had the most time on it so it has more

of an imprint. Yeah. But the first one was probably Duck Hunt? Probably Duck Hunt. Wow. It's Matt. I'm really trying to think it was either Jungle Hunt or Adventure on the Atari 2600. Wow old man.

You're fucking senior. No not really because we got a 2600 when the NES was out. Wow poor man. Whatever. I grew up like not I know you guys grew up in mansions or whatever. I did not. Oh apparently. Well they grew up in Grenada.

Apparently because I'm poor. I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over the sound of your hips grinding. Yeah. Actually I was just thinking there might be a different one. Runnin' on your mom. I don't know that's my hits. You know how you have like a few like black and white memories from when you were a fucking like baby.

Yeah. And you have a few that you distinctly remember. Yeah. I have one and of course you can't remember if it was actually real or if it was a dream or anything. I remember it was real. But I was sitting on my dad's knee at like I don't know where and we were looking down and I may or may not have been playing a Pac-Man arcade table kind of thing.

Yeah. I don't know if I was playing it or not. I'm sorry. But I vividly remember that. I thought you were going to say so I was on my dad's knee and I was plain shadow. No. Hey what's up. No I was playing that Pac-Man.

What's the name of him. I remember that. That used the zapper that was you shooting cowboys. Oh. Hogan's Alley. No. Yeah. It would be Hogan's Alley.

Hogan's Alley. There's there's the ones that you're shooting. No. It was like a quick draw. It was like a quick draw. I know what Hogan's Alley was but it was like a quick it was a gun smoke or something. Shit. That was not gun smoke.

Okay. I'm thinking of it. Gun. But yeah. Shit ton of Hogan's Alley like in terms of first first games like it started my love affair with light guns that would end when light gun games fucking died. Yeah. Fuck.

Fucking Cobra Triangle man. It's a good guy. Isometric camera. Oh my god. And last awesome question. Is it awesome? I'd say so. It's pretty good.

That was a good question. Coming into us from Franklin. Franklin asks you know what actually I have to be real. Fuck his actual question. He has a PS and his PS is way better than the question. Okay. Guys can we get a segment called How Have God Blighted Pat This Week. How Have God Blighted Pat This Week.

Oh yeah. Oh so let's jump right into it. Rolling right into it. How Have God Blighted Pat. How Have God Blighted Pat. Oh Ubisoft Blighted You. No there's actually been some actual blights on my life. This week.

A little too serious. A little too serious. This week. What are the questions this week. What about the ants. The ants. I never had any ants. No there's tons of them.

But that counts. So ant guys coming to my house is the fucking worst. To spray for ants. My apartment building got ants and I didn't get ants but my neighbors got ants. So then the ant guys said we gotta come in your house and move all your shit and wake you up and if I'm not there they would totally rob me. So I had to wake up early in the morning and it was terrible. But they came on the first day and were really nice.

So it ended up not being that bad. But they were in my house. I didn't like it. So it was an almost blighting. Yeah. But it didn't really go into full blighting mode. So is this going to be a regular thing now. I'm going to try it out.

Let's go for it. There's always something. We'll see what's going on. There's always something. Your life's been a pretty series of events so far. It's a lot of ups and downs. I got a PS4. That's weird blood in that thing.

In the PS4? Oh man. Like you know it is back and forth. Like skirting around serious issues and giving moments like hints of details is better than saying it. Oh god. This week guys is also a little bit special. We talked a bit about wrestling with pixels.

The wrestling encyclopedia kickstarter. It's about two weeks ago, three weeks ago. Yeah. And it's a super high kickstarter that we immediately saw God excited about because one of the guys behind it is from a show we love, Botcha Mania. Botcha Mania. And the other guy behind it has been in games journalism for six years. His name's Audi and he is going to, he agreed to be on the show to talk a bit about the

wrestling project, the book. And we can talk about all the dumb wrestling games we played during Russell Mania I think. Exactly. Because we're still super hype on that and the Fandango theme is still rolling in our heads. It's in the back. It's in the back but it's there. So let's see if we can get him on the phone.

So yeah, let's welcome Audi Sorley to the podcast. What is up Audi? Not much. Thanks for having me. No, I was going to say no problem but you were saying something too at the same time. Go ahead. I was just going to say that like, yeah, I'm not sure what time it is over there on your end but thanks for getting up at an ungodly hour to do this.

Thanks. Appreciate it. It's like 1.8. Okay. Damn. Still, that's great. Cool. So, Audi, you're the guy that is effectively behind one of the hypest kickstarters that

we're super excited about right now. Wrestling with Pixels, the world tour of wrestling games. Yeah, so we spoke about this on the podcast maybe two or three weeks ago and considering that on our channel we just did a full month of wrestling games. An exhaustive retrospective, I'd say. I had no idea, like, I don't know, I don't really watch YouTube that much. I didn't know who you guys were before this, I'm so sorry, but now you're my best friend. Yay.

That is the name of the show. It should have been one month ago then. It's fine, you know, we barely watch our shit. Yeah. It's mostly terrible, don't worry about it. But you didn't miss much. We did go over some of the worst things we remember playing as kids and some of the hypest things ever, so it became a topic on all of our videos constantly bringing up

wrestling games, bringing up all kinds of old dumb wrestling memories, and we can definitely attribute that to someone that you're working with behind a show called Botchimania, Matthew. So when we found out that him and you guys had this project planned together and it was basically a book all about wrestling games and their history, it was really awesome and exciting. Do you want to just kind of tell us about how the project came together? Oh, sure. Yeah.

Like so I've been working with the game publication for like six years probably, and during that time I just did a lot of interviews with people either, sometimes I would be sent to do the HQ interviews about WWE 12 and those kinds of games. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, I know. It's terrible. It's painful. Not as bad as the Lucha game, though, that was the worst memory I had.

Oh, really? Really? Because, well, what was I to eat three and it was awesome, they put the ring up the head of parka there and you know, there was a lot of wrestling going on, but when we were presented the game, we had to sit in this little, I think they had watched the wrestling of shadows, which this book is actually named after, which is like this Bret Hart documentary and Bret Hart used to go into something called the Dungeon, which was just this damp basement with like a small mat on it.

So we were like, you know, we're sent into this little damp basement place with no air conditioning or anything, which is sweaty, lots of Mexican's just standing there, it's like, we have a great game for you and it's like, it wasn't. Are you telling me that you played the Luchador game in a like recreation of Stu Hart's Dungeon? I don't think the developers knew much about wrestling because I asked them some questions and I got some confusing answers. I think they just kind of got a license and was like, okay, well, we'll try. That was pretty much it.

That game felt like we'll try and we didn't do it very well. So yeah, because we played that one on our roughly like month full title. It was a Lucha Libre Heroes Del Ring, I believe, yeah, it was a triple A game from Mexico. Yeah. I think it was even developed by Mexicans. That would explain the accuracy it looked like it had in terms of like painful accuracy. Yeah. The game was a little weird, but we kind of thought it was okay.

Like this, it was just too slow. Yeah, it was a slow. But I remember though, in the contrast of the other games we were playing at the time, it had some really impressive random moments. Yeah, it did. Some of the custom intros for like your guys and some of the details and like how you could run around and grapple were a bit more in-depth than some of the other things we played. But it's just kind of interesting and random that like this game would just kind of pop

up out of Mexico. Yeah. But as you were saying about how the whole Kickstarter came about. Oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, I used to interview people either doing wrestling games or had been part of wrestling games. So that if I met people and you had worked on wrestling games, so it was kind of just after an interview be like, hey, you worked on WWF Royal Rumble, didn't you? They were like, why would you ask me that question?

Just kind of leave the room, but sometimes they would kind of answer a few questions and like, yeah, I did work on that game and they told me all of them had like crazy stories, especially people that worked on the WCW games always told me the crazy shit. And eventually I just had many years piled up with these different stories that no one has ever heard. Right. So initially I just thought I would do an article about it for you to destructoid or hardcore gaming or some place.

And I started doing that. I started writing an article and it just it was way too big. It just never stopped. So I actually canceled the whole thing. I just like no one wants to read this shit. And I always kind of kept back to the idea of just why it was kind of like these stories are really funny because they're just crazy and it would never happen to anything else. Like it's only wrestling that could generate these insane things.

So eventually I just figured maybe a book, maybe I could do a book. And I asked Matthew, who's a good friend of mine outside of the WCW shit. Wow, cool. And we met in London and I asked him, you know, would you want to be part of something like that? And he was like, sure. So can you write? Like, no.

Okay. Totally awesome. Was it his stipulation that you was a his stipulation that you call it botched productions? I think we just needed a name and we couldn't come up with anything. So yeah, botched productions are just kind of, we didn't want to just call it botched. Right. Because Matthew, you know, for a good reason was like, what if this fails? And I was like, that's a good chance.

Don't call botch mania. Okay. Right. That makes sense. Yeah. So yeah. Genius logo, by the way. Genius logo, by the way, just rotating the wall.

I didn't do that. I know who the poor staff who did that is not getting credited. So I don't know his name. Pretty good. So yeah, no, just to kind of like talk about, I guess, some wrestling game history a bit. Like, well, actually, no, I'm kind of curious first before I even get into that. What, how did you get in touch with actual wrestlers though? Because I know you said you were doing game journalism.

How'd you start getting in touch with like guys like Mick Foley and stuff like that? Some of it was through Matthew because, you know, he's kind of the wrestling guy. Matthew has a lot of connections. Exactly. And also just I, we go to the US twice a year. And I'm still fairly into wrestling. And I don't watch it as much, but I still like it. And I still kind of pay attention to it.

Right. Okay. Yeah. That was my follow-up question is do you watch it now? I try to sometimes, I watch a lot of Japanese wrestling if I can. Like when I have time, I usually try to keep up with the Japanese wrestling side. But yeah, so I went to the US, I went to wrestling shows sometimes. And when I started doing the article that I was talking about,

I wanted wrestlers' opinions and also stories because they are always involved in promotion or motion capturing and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. So the first guy I talked to was AJ Styles, who wrestles for shit, TNA. And that was an amazing interview. He was really cool and had played games his whole life and it collected wrestling games. So he was perfect. And from him, I just got in touch with like Daimdahl's page and other people like that.

Cool. Nice, nice. Okay, okay. I want to know in your opinion, like straight up, what is the weirdest and wackiest, most ridiculous wrestling game you've ever come across? There's a lot of them. Like from Japan, there's so many. But I think the weirdest one is one that was created in 1991, I think.

In 1992, which is based on FMW, which is a Japanese hardcore wrestling company. And it's not a wrestling game per se, it's actually a fighting game, like one-on-one. And you control Onida, who owns that company. And it's just you fight some most military people. It's not a wrestling game. It's just you play as a wrestler fighting sumo wrestlers. Oh, okay. That's neat.

Sure. But that's like an obscure one, because FMW wasn't the biggest company, but wrestling was so big during that time in Japan that even the smallest of companies could have a super Nintendo game. Right. And also that it's not a wrestling game either, but WWE made this twisted metal style game. Yeah. Crush our baby. Hell yeah.

It's not obscure, but it's the dumbest shit I ever put into my console. Yeah, we know. We played it during our series. It was such a good video though. It was so dumb. It's just I don't, I have some stories about that that will be in the book and how they came up with the idea is just insane. Like Vince McMahon owns the world, and that's the only way to like create entertainment for everybody. Matt was actually telling us a bit earlier about a game that you remember.

We talked about this earlier. I was mentioning about Queen of Queens. Yes. And like to me that like of everything I knew that was like, man, that's a weird game. Like why would this even be created? Can you describe it for anyone that like is not like familiar with it? Yeah, so Queen of Queens was a full motion video wrestling game made for the PCFX. Yeah.

Only released in Japan based on I think old Japan women or Gaia women. It's one of those Japanese women's wrestling companies, but you can't really control it because it's just these video clips put together and I don't know. Actually, for that game, I tried to contact Ajakong, which is like the fattest wrestler in the game, because I wanted like to have her interview about creating a game. I'm sorry, man. You're breaking up a little bit. Can you repeat? Can you repeat who you were trying to contact? Ajakong.

Ajakong. Yes. Yeah. Okay. That interview might happen. I have the contact I need to get a hold of her, but I don't know her schedule will allow me. So I hope to go to Japan in April to do the rest of the Japanese interviews. Her schedule of eating children.

Yes. Man, that is a knockout combination of like FMV women's wrestler game. Can't control it. On what console? The PCFX. Like what? Nice. Which was a console based on full motion video.

That was kind of its game. That was its entire thing. Shane Beden has an owns one. Of course he does. Man. Okay. Now, when it comes down to wrestling games, like mechanically, what series or what like, I guess, developer, would you say nails down the most like authentic sort of feel of a wrestling game? Or if you want to say like, what's just the most fun?

That's two different questions, but I think the ones that captured the most was formerly known as Human, which is the Fire Pro wrestling series. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And those guys, like most of those guys are now part of Spike or Spike Chunsoft in Japan. And I mean, Fire Pro is obviously the most like the deepest wrestling experience you can have in video game form. Because when we played it, we had no idea what we're doing.

We're kind of like, I'm sure there's some stuff here, but we don't know how to do it. But we're idiots. No, I felt like we were just apologizing when we played it because profusely apologizing because we're like, we are embarrassing the legacy right now. Yeah. Like it's all time invest. Yeah. Just once you get the timing down, you kind of break the game because you just do every move whenever you want. But it's a fun game.

And you know, the thing about Fire Pro is that you can actually edit the AI logic so you can make it sort of do stuff the way you want it to do that things like in sequences and all that. Wow. Because we... Simulator. Okay. Because like we were just going through the menus and getting so lost. Alright, we started and played a bit. But then after we were done, a fan went and made like a custom video of like some of us and our characters in the game and just showed us some of the stuff you could do.

And it's ridiculous. Dudes were doing like rolling like crazy hyper combos and things that looked like they were out of fighting games in Fist of the North Star. And then that's when we felt like really bad how we didn't do Fire Pro like any justice in our video. Whatsoever, yeah. Cool. And just in terms of like Fun Factor then. Fun Factor, I mean I would have to say A.K.A.I. with the WZW and WWF games during the late 90s. Nice.

Because anyone could pick those games up. That was the magic of those games was that the controls were so simple that like anyone could pick up the controller and understand it because it wasn't convoluted and wasn't complicated at all. Each button had a very specific thing you had to do and holding it longer made it stronger. Which is really simple and everyone could do it. So you had like four player. That was the great thing about it was that even if no one in your house had ever watched wrestling or played wrestling, you could just give them a controller. They would understand that pretty much on their own. And you would have four players doing fairly good.

So you had like competitive matches with your mom if you wanted to. Yeah, yeah, no man. I kind of threw that question out there really hoping that's what you'd say because yeah we all agree here. You would have kept changing the question until he had said A.K.A.I. games. Because no, honestly when we played, I believe it was WWB13 and every counter button was the same button. Like you could counter grabs or attacks or anything the opponent was doing with the same button. And I was like by not dividing it into two you take away any kind of rock paper scissors. Yeah.

And the A.K.A.I. games were so solid I think just going into Def Jam at that point. You could feel it even when they departed from the wrestling formula. Did you ever get to play the Japanese one that never came out here? Virtual pro wrestling. I have both of them. I mean those games were just fantastic. Simply because the people who made those games like A.K.A.I. Those guys that formed that company were formerly with human doing fire pro games.

And they broke off into a different company that was specifically meant to make wrestling games. That was their sole purpose was to make wrestling games. So they started with the WCW versus the World on PlayStation and then worked their way up to the N64. Right. And I interviewed the guys who founded that company, Yoshida. And they had a lot of stuff. Those are probably the longest interviews I did for this book already. And now we'll do more because now we have the money to do it.

And they talk a lot about how they got into doing these wrestling games. But also what happened since they're not doing it anymore. Because a lot of backstabbing and a lot of stuff happened at the end. Which meant that they don't make wrestling games anymore sadly. Backstabbing. I hope with this book, actually with this book that I kind of rekindled something. Because I do remember when I sat there and talked to them. That they kind of like, we would like to do it again sometime.

But it would have to be with people that we kind of trust. Did you notice that they had tiny flames in their eyes? Like when they thought about it and they're starting to get pumped up maybe? And their fighting spirit came alive. Yeah, exactly. I'm just like, are there stories of developers putting cookies in other developers' beds? Like he said backstabbing and like, what? Did some of the developers run each other over with cars?

Or blow up their homes? Or cook their dog and serve it to them? Oh, like Mr. Fuji. I mean the backstabbing that happened then was simply contractual stuff with WWE and EA and things like that. Yeah, that's less interesting. I'm just imagining like the head programmer driving off with a coffin tied to his truck. No, no, no. There's two programmers and they're both programming against each other.

Then a ref runs in and says, this one wins. And then the other one goes, no, no. And he starts miming in the air like the next company he's going to jump ship to. Because he got screwed over. The screwed job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, I'm just trying to catch, keep up with the reference and I'm getting lost, man.

Sorry. I did my best. So Audi, Audi, we have an idea that we've been throwing around here between us about like what if there was a wrestling game where instead of the goal being to pan the opponent or win, the goal is to sell as much as possible. Like half of the buttons on your controller would be about different ways to sell getting a hit. Like hold your back. Take a chair shot. Right.

I'm like, oh shit, pull up the blade. Cut, cut, cut. Go, go, go. Like, do you think that could have any viable audience whatsoever? It's actually interesting that you mentioned that now because we were just talking about Akii doing wrestling games. And one of the ideas they talked to me about if they continued to do wrestling games was that they wanted like realistic fan reaction so that you couldn't just go into a match and win it by beating them down and panning it as fast as you could. You had to build a match and you had to build excitement and so they would make a point system based on that. They did that in revenge.

A little bit you had points after the match. Yeah, yeah. They wanted like to have its own mode so that you came like a popular wrestler doing like, as you said, good selling, great match building. So we could have seen that from those guys if they continued. So I do think that you can do that. I do think that that's actually a good idea. Maybe not as strictly about selling as you make it. But about making it interesting for fans, like that the audience have to react to a great match and building it.

You know, because today when you play those WWE games, it's impossible to build a match because no one is selling. They just get up and it's just, you know, it's too arcade-y. But I just, I feel like we were not hitting a certain wrestling plateau until you can play as Shawn Michaels and pop back up after like you get specialed and like walk around. You time it too, you time it too late and you sell too hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You backflip over yourself when you get stuttered like, oh my god. Yeah. So like press A to receive hit better.

Yes. Alternate L and R to gorilla walk harder. Yeah, it's something like that. Oh, okay. Now with the Kickstarter, beyond the book, there's of course the DVD, the podcast, the art book, some of the other stuff that's going on there. Do you want to talk a bit about what's going into those? Yeah, sure. I mean, the DVD should be very interesting for you guys and your fans because you guys are part of it.

So we're trying to do something together to do, you know, something wrestling oriented. Right. It'd be fun because I'm coming to Montreal in a couple months to see guys and stuff. So is there any way you can bring Queen of Queens with you? Yes, I think actually. So yes, I can do that. Okay, because that would be sad. Yeah, so but the DVD would mostly be because I'm filming all these interviews that I'm doing now.

So that's because I want to document everything we do and give it to the fans so they can watch it because this is a topic that those wrestlers don't talk about a lot. And also the developers themselves have a lot of interesting stories. And I'm so because I hadn't watched these interviews that these wrestlers usually do until last year when I started researching. They do these shoot interviews is called where they sit in front of a camera for like four hours talking about their career. Right. It's so fucking boring. So when I was doing interviews about video games, I saw a little bit of a different look to them. I haven't talked about this before.

It's kind of interesting. It's kind of a part of my career. We haven't really gotten out there. So they're kind of happy to talk about some heels. So I'm putting those on the DVD so that the fans can watch them and kind of, you know, see how they react to those memories. Yeah, there's something awesome about just here. I want to hear Booker T talk about what he feels about his face being represented in such weird ways over the years until they finally nailed it in one game. Yeah.

I don't understand that shit because when you mentioned him, like every single wrestling game that he has been part of, he's been used as like this graphical benchmark. Yeah. Booker T looks so lifelike. I've seen that since the N64 games. It's like, who fucked hairs? No, the real test is how. I never cared. I like Stevie Ray better anyway.

The real test has always been how bad Triple H's hair looks. Okay, so what we were doing during the wrestling month was we were grading each game by Triple H's intro. Does he come out with the crazy spastic lights? Does his hair have volume to it? Does his hair look like shit? And I don't mean like bad like shit. I mean, his hair looks like shit. So it should look accurately like shit.

And most importantly... What was the spit like when he spits the water? On the ring, yeah. I can't remember which one was the best in my memory. I think for us, like one of the tops was like one of the later SmackDown games on the PS2. SmackDown vs. Raw as well. 2007? No, 2007.

And WWE Day of Reckoning 2 on the GameCube. That's a very good game actually. Day of Reckoning was very good. Yeah, it was. Yeah, and he spits and then there's a little bit of extra water at the end. Yeah, exactly. One of the animators got a little bit like messy because it says everything about the game that it's detail oriented. I'm still holding out for my big Viking throne.

Yeah. One day maybe. Never. No. Cool. And Addy, if you can just leave us with, I guess, a little teaser or a little interesting bit of something that you think might entice people to check out the book. A story or something like that. Any kind of anecdote?

Yeah, sure. I mean, I think for most people the most interesting part is the late 90s with WWE and WWF both having kind of great wrestling games out there. If you do remember that at WCW had certain games that weren't so great in the end. One which was called Backstage Assault. Oh yeah! And I interviewed the guy who designed Backstage Assault. And I always thought that EA sort of had, you know, the blame to remove the ring from that game. But he didn't.

And he told me very interesting stories coming out of WCW's leadership who was very hands on getting this game the way it is. And WCW in there with them was very happy with the game because they didn't think that wrestling sold anymore because their games hadn't been selling very well since Mayhem. Was he telling you these stories while he was chain smoking? He told me actually, his name is Rich Reagan. He told me that before we started the interview he was like, I just wanted to know that WCW Backstage Assault is the worst memory I have in the video game industry. So his story is probably the best I have in the book so far. And I'll put all of it in there because it's probably the craziest one. And I don't...

Sorry, can you repeat the last like five seconds? We keep... Hello? We think you're kind of breaking up, man. I think we're losing you. Am I not here? Oh, no, there you are. You're back. It was what's weird. It was one of the worst memories he had in the industry.

All I said after that was that it was the worst memory he has. So that's the best story that I have in the book, I think, because it's just so crazy. And no other video game developer probably has any story like that. I think about half of the video that we recorded when we played it was just Pat and I making noises. Like why? We were just going... Like getting stuck in quarters. I believe it was one of you hit each other with like...

And there was a slide whistle. He hit me in the balls and it was like... And then the camera changes to top-top views. Just like befuddlement. Like not even... Okay, yeah, no, I need to know more. I totally was... Awesome.

All right, well, Addy, man, thanks for coming on the show. Thanks a lot, man. Thanks for having me. Definitely appreciate it for those who haven't checked it out again. We want to let you guys know to Pimp Wrestling with Pixels, the world tour of wrestling games on Kickstarter now. You guys hit your goal. Congratulations. Yeah, thanks so much.

That is awesome. It's a lot of thanks to you because I remember when you joined us, we had a big push. So people definitely are excited to see you guys on board. Yeah, you're very welcome. I love that you still got nine days to go. There's still time, everyone. There's still some time. Yeah, we can make this even better. We're on board. We hope you guys are on board. Check it out.

And yeah, hopefully we will... Hear from you soon. In the near future. We'll find out who the Queen of Queens is. Oh, yes. We'll bring Queen of Queens in a few months. All right, thanks a lot, Addy. No problem.

Take care, man. You too. And we're back. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah. I enjoy the wrestling. I enjoy also wrestling.

I enjoy Tristratus. I enjoy... I enjoy... You did not enjoy Tristratus. I enjoy... You wish you enjoyed Tristratus. No, I enjoy Tristratus. I look at her and I get enjoyed sometimes.

You get enjoyed. You get enjoyed. I'm sure. Get enjoyed. Hey, guys, I'm getting enjoyed. Tristratus versus AsiaCon. Who is? AsiaCon.

All of us. All of us. We win. God, she would eat her. Yeah. She would probably try it. It would be a meal. Met.

What's happening on the Met Watch? Bee and Puppycat made its Kickstarter. Yay. So good job. So here's the call. But who's the person? Well, the creator of Bee and Puppycat. Remember, she's the girl that sings the Adventure Time theme.

She drew a bunch of stuff. And drew... I think she created... I think she did most of the designs. She created Fiona and Kate. But I think she also created Finn and Jake. A John, maybe? I don't know.

I know she was an art person. She did a lot on Adventure Time. But it made her school super happy because I was kind of worried. Not a great stalker, if you don't remember her name, though. No, not super great. I'll take it this week, then. When Matt and I went... You screwed this up.

When Matt and I went to that birthday party, we had a baby that was named Fiona Marceline. What? What? You can snog the baby. I'm not going to stalk her. Are you serious? The parents say that.

And Matt and I are sitting there going... In our heads, like, is that after Adventure Time? Or is that just the craziest coincidence ever? Because you don't want to be that guy, right? You named your baby after Fiona and Marceline? And have them go, what? And she answered, well, yes, because those are two strong, great female characters. And I was like, that's a good answer.

That baby's going places. This is not a good start. Natasha Allegri. Natasha. It was, I knew it was an N name. That's so Russian sounding. Yeah. That sounds so hot.

Also, I like how, on the Kickstarter, they've got her with the Puppycat laser doing the same thing as Mighty No. 9, just busting through the stretch goals. That's pretty cool. It's the same thing as, like, shoveling, shoveling through the stretch goals. There's always got to have that fucking thing. That's exactly it. Like, the little stretch goal graphic, you know? Like, that's a little fun part of Kickstarter's that have been coming up.

If anyone's making a Kickstarter, pro tip. Good graphics. What's coming up on the channel? Good graphics. Uh, the channel this week is that we're continuing. Sadness. We're going to go to Africa. Okay.

Pat's going to go to Africa and record his trip in Africa. That sounds great. I've seen enough vice documentaries to know how this one ends. We'll have a few more one-offs this week. And we're going to be starting this Sunday, the 24th. This is the Sunday. The first episode for... I thought the 24th was Friday because that's the Xbox thing.

No, that's the 27th. I don't know what... Anyway, we'll be doing the first episode for Machinima and it's going to be a game we talked about today on the podcast. It's going to be on the system that we talked about today on the podcast. So there's that to look forward to in return of two snacks animations. It'll be fantastic. Bar. Also, some of us have been kicking in old school for a little bit.

Yeah. There might be some fun. There might be some fun. There's me dominating in Tetris Attack. Way to just throw it out there. It's up right now. Oh, I put it up yesterday. You stupid idiot.

I put it up yesterday. Yeah. No, I got blasted. I got trounced. Nice. I'm so garbage. I love the game, but I'm super garbage because I spent all my time, as you know this, on normal Tetris DS and stuff like that. So Tetris is dead.

Like, fuck. But anyway. I'm shocked you didn't practice Tetris Attack for life. Honestly, it's been years and I was like, man... We should all play a game, like, right after this, if we have time. While we're watching Punisher, the revives. We're watching Punisher Warzone. Picture and picture.

Yeah. Okay, we gotta go watch Punisher Warzone. Bye. Xbox One Punisher. Not yet. Friday you can try that. Damn it, it won't work. Continue.

Bye.