Castle Super Beast - SBFC 034: Sploosh it back to Life

Episode Date: April 1, 2014

Special episode! We start with the essentials of game news, add a dash of Infamous, Titanfall, JRPGS, and Capcom, and then follows through with strong finish: The long awaited Kill la Kill spoilercast... is here!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You didn't need followed by pudding is a reference to Pink Floyd. It's also Godlike. Do you? Were you alive? You said it was. That's true you did. All I know is turn this on me after I made a Godlike joke off camera.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Was it really Godlike? All I know is that I'm sitting here and I'm finishing on my pudding and you go, that's really funny. And I go, what? And you start getting all butthurt. Remember that time when your beard was pudding? Yeah, and I had pudding in my beard. Yeah, your beard was totally made of pudding.
Starting point is 00:00:48 I know. And when I tried to explain what Pink Floyd was, Liam looked at me blank-faced. And then he said it was really foolish. And then he said he used some of your muescraft. Isn't that that song with the walrus in it? Nice. Remember that song with the walrus in it? It was fucking great.
Starting point is 00:01:04 You mean Jamie Heinemann? The remix was better, yeah. Yeah, Jamie Heinemann. That's the one. Your twin brother. Featuring Redhead girl that I was remembering. Garry Byron. Garry's bride is so hot.
Starting point is 00:01:16 I watched a lot of Mythbusters a lot. Probably to see the myths, right? No. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Godlike. I wanted to see myself get blasted by robots. Did you know who Joan Baez was before Metal Gear?
Starting point is 00:01:33 No. Okay. No, I didn't. I don't give it a good think for you, too. Okay. I don't know who that is now. Yeah. That's not fair.
Starting point is 00:01:43 It's not fair. That's fine. Is that the singer of the song? A better question to ask is, do you know who either Sutherland was before Metal Gear? Because some people are like, who? Who's that guy who played Salt Snake on TV? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:57 And for 24 hours straight. Did you guys catch the part where like when he's choking out a person and he goes, don't fight it? Yeah. That's totally a reference to 24 where there's a ton of moments where he's choking people out going, don't fight it. Also, I mentioned this to Cap. The guy that plays Skullface was an actor that was on a million episodes of 24.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Oh, wow. Someone got so good a job. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go in your way into this one. Hey, you want to be a guy called Skullface? Hell yeah, I do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:27 Sure. You get to be a straight dick for the whole game. Yeah. And then after the game too, you get to be more of a dick. Especially after the game. Guys, welcome to episode 34. Hey, we're here. Hey, we're here.
Starting point is 00:02:42 We're going to be starting off with some weird stuff this week. Are you sick of us yet? No. Good. What? I'm asking the viewers. The listener. The listener.
Starting point is 00:02:53 Ah. You were the listeners. Yeah, you're right. You're right. So that was me opening some weird Kiwi bullshit that our Kiwi friend sent us. What's it called? It's called Lemon Peora. L&P.
Starting point is 00:03:05 L&P. L&P. Earlier when... Oh my God. This smells like Mr. Clean. Fucking smell this. Let me see. I'll smell it.
Starting point is 00:03:13 I'll smell anything. You could clean a wall with it. Yeah, it smells like pine saw or some shit. It's fucking detergent. There's no way that's not detergent. I don't care. So earlier, I lost my fucking shit. Yeah, that's flavor country.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Yeah. Well, it was like how much sugars in that and you're like, oh, the label's upside down. Because I was drinking... On this fucking New Zealand drink. So you shut up, though. Like what? How's that go down? Give me a sip of that.
Starting point is 00:03:40 That tastes like lemon, a lemon pie. Pine salt. Pine salt. It doesn't taste like detergent. No, it tastes like lemon pie. Okay. Yeah, lemon pie, totally. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:50 It's like a large form. Yeah, and a little bit of deck. It has no aftertaste at all. No, it's good. Yeah. That's good. It's pretty good. That's not bad.
Starting point is 00:03:59 The smell is way more intense than the flavor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, pass it around. Here's your drink. Yeah, a little drink. It's an energy drink? No, we just got confused when we looked at the bottle or the label because I guess in
Starting point is 00:04:11 New Zealand and so the calories, they have energy for kilojoules. Also, it contains 150% of your daily sugar intake. Yeah. It's basically an energy drink. It's okay. So I'm about to lose a toe. Yeah. When you ask how much sugar is in it and this is from New Zealand, it's all of New Zealand
Starting point is 00:04:30 sugar. Yeah. That's pretty good. But like I can, it's all, like it's already coming, like getting on top of me. What's that called again? L and P, which is lemon peyora, good lemon-ish stuff. That's remarkable. It says lemon-ish.
Starting point is 00:04:45 It does say lemon-ish. Well, that's all right. That taste was all right. I'll keep that shit way the fuck away from me. So thanks Kiwis that sent us in to us. I appreciate it. This is country-time lemonade mix. There's never been anything closer to a new lemon in it.
Starting point is 00:04:58 I swear. Oh, I can't finish that. That's too strong. That's too much. And besides, you need to make some room for us to test out some of this Lanchester Mead that was also sent to us. Not from Makiwi. No, but by some folks in the UK, right?
Starting point is 00:05:12 Yep. I don't remember from where exactly. From some folks in the UK in the past. No, from the medieval age. Because Liam's underage and Matt's not willing to drink, Holy and I will be partaking. Yeah, watch you guys get sloshed. Just give me a big go. No, give me some.
Starting point is 00:05:29 You want to get in there. Yeah. I want to get in there. All right. You're in there. It'd be funny if you guys got sloshed in there. Oh, that smells fantastic. Mead is really good.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Now, the thing about Mead is that it's not like a strong alcoholic flavor. It's light. Even though it is strong alcoholically. Yes. It's almost like the really sweet like Jewish kind of wines. Yeah. You can fool yourself into thinking it's like juice and it's not. But it's old school.
Starting point is 00:05:55 It's what they used to drink back in the day under like the king's and baron's systems. Yeah. It'd be great to see you guys get drunk and your work get better. Yeah. Welcome to the super best drunk cast. That's some tasty Mead. Oh, that's some good stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:08 We're having like room temperature, which you said was the room temperature? Room temperature is how you preserve it. Because they didn't have fridges back then. That makes sense. It might have ice boxes. Mmm. That's tasty. I think that thousands of people had to die to bring across the desert.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Hey, rich people need their cold drinks. Yeah. This is pretty tasty. Oh, man. Again, very light on the flavor. Mead has a default flavor that's really good and when you mix it with other types of fruits, it gets even better. It's good.
Starting point is 00:06:35 This is some good sippy stuff. I like it. Thanks for the Mead. Thank you very much. Excellent. Some Chester Mead. So what's been happening this week, everybody? Are you sloshed already?
Starting point is 00:06:43 No. Look at the size of him. Of course he is. I know, right? And how long? A week. Shove it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:52 How was your week going, gentlemen? Good week. I finished some anime this week. Yeah, you did. Killer kills the obvious one, but I think we're not going to talk about that. That's not true. We're going to talk about it. No.
Starting point is 00:07:04 This week or next week? Is that going to be this week? It's going to be the very end of the podcast. Too many people have fucking mentioned it and come up with it and like, fuck you guys, but do the spoiler cast. Without the section. We'll do the spoiler cast this episode. We should do it right at the end.
Starting point is 00:07:17 So when we're done, we'll just leave. It was good. It was good. We'll talk about it later. Sam Flamended too. Sam Raif Flamenco ended. Boy, that show was a trip. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Someone on the Two Best Friends Reddit put it really great where he was like, I can see the end of the train tracks and the guy at the helm isn't fucking turning. And then the next post was like, yeah, he doesn't give a shit and he's going to keep going off those tracks for the rest of the show. And it's a glorious, glorious mess of like, yeah, it's a fucking mess over each other. Does gravity pull the train down or does it float into the sky? It floats. It goes both ways.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Yeah. So it gets to the end and I talked about it when I was watching it and I was like, I don't know. Like my enjoyment hinges on the ending pretty much exclusively and it ended and I don't hate it. Okay. I'm glad I watched it. It was a really fun show.
Starting point is 00:08:05 I'm thinking of like that rock band two intro where you're jumping from vehicle to vehicle and it's like, are they going to land on anything or are they just going to die? Yeah. But they land. They totally land. Yeah. This show is just nuts and it keeps changing plot threads super quickly. It starts as a Sentai thing and it just goes up from there.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Okay. It's super, super fun. Some other anime ended this week, but I'm sure you guys don't want to hear about them. Wizard Barristers ended this week. Wizard Barristers ended. And everything's ending this week because everything started in October. Yes. This is the end of the season pretty much.
Starting point is 00:08:36 So Wizard Barristers got really disappointing around the middle. But you plowed through it. Really? Because I was like disappointed halfway through the first episodes. I know, but we just wanted to... We've established we have different tastes. Yeah. Anyway, the end of it was all right.
Starting point is 00:08:52 It wasn't as good as I'd hoped and like I'm going to watch some of his other stuff now because I really like the character design. Well, I was going to say, and now craving for more, you're going to check out Mesofort 2. I love his character design. For the character design. Yeah. For the...
Starting point is 00:09:05 I don't know. There's no porn in Wizard Barristers. There's porn in the other ones. I didn't know. Mesofort is over 10 years old. Why are you suddenly always talking about it now? Because the character designs. But because you got turned on to them.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Yeah. Yeah. Because I watched Wizard Barristers. It's by the same... Yeah. Yeah. And like his main character looks... They look identical.
Starting point is 00:09:28 They look very, very similar. They have the same type of face. And Wendell keeps mentioning Mesofort. Mesofort? That's not even a joke. See, Mesofort, if it didn't have that graphic sex scene, it would have been pretty good. But it's so graphic and so unnecessary. Because if you're...
Starting point is 00:09:42 It's really... Like, it's horrifying. I watched Kite the Exile. And I hear it's unnecessary. Oh, yeah. It's unnecessary because of the context of the story. It's straight up like, hey, you know what we should do? Let's just put porn in here.
Starting point is 00:09:55 Yeah. Yeah. Because you couldn't get it funded otherwise. Maybe. So Kite the Exile was the only other one that he did character design for on Country Roll. So I watched that one. And then I'm like, oh, this was a sequel.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Oh, whoops. And now I have to go back and watch those. But that one didn't have graphic sex. So... Then again, it was on Country Roll. So it was... If there was, it was censored, I guess. So...
Starting point is 00:10:15 It's such a trip to me because Mesofort and Kite are things that you saw in an AMV at some point in your life. You know what? I'm sure I have. Like, can we use it all now? It goes, what the... Yeah, with an ice cube. Was it like AMV L0?
Starting point is 00:10:27 Yeah. With an ice cube? No, it's not. Because back then, it was hard to get that uncensored version. Yeah, true that. But everyone that saw these cool girls with guns flipping around, shooting people's heads off, they were like, what the fuck does that do? They do look cool.
Starting point is 00:10:40 They do look cool. And I do agree with the character design, because that was pretty great. Yeah. So all the anime is ending this week? A lot of them. Some of them are double long, and they go on for 25, so I was like, kill it, kill it. You know why that is? Because next week, something is starting.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Next week, JoJo's gonna be back. Oh. Just JoJo. Yeah, but April 4th, JoJo's gonna be back. Yeah. Stardust Crusaders. They're clearing the way. They're ending it so that they can have everyone...
Starting point is 00:11:06 Even Kill the Kill that had Jotaro in it, decided to end like two episodes early before... Because everyone making these things wants to watch JoJo. I heard earlier today from someone who I trust on this, but I don't know how cromulent it is. Apparently the last episode of Kill the Kill was finished under six hours before. Yes. I saw a guy's Twitter going, we just finished the episode, and it was like the morning of... They tweeted that.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Which is amazing. That's unbelievable. The most amazing thing. But that also gets me even more hype for the eventual OAV, and then compilation movie that will happen, because this means there's no way they were happy with it. They worked literally through the night for this. It's a good and a bad thing, I guess. I just hope it sells.
Starting point is 00:11:54 It's regular. It doesn't matter how much they liked it, if the money's not there, the money's not there. So I'm going to buy a bunch of figures, but fuck Anaplex prices. Fuck Anaplex. Bullshit. And Anaplex. I'd also like to see reception in Japan in terms of numbers, people watching and that
Starting point is 00:12:08 type of thing. Because I was fucking shocked on my ass to find out that no one watched Shampoo and no one liked it. No. I'm not shocked about that at all. It was really poorly received in Japan, and I can't fucking believe that. Because it's not bebop. That's different.
Starting point is 00:12:26 And it's like a little not as good as bebop. But it also came out in an era when anime had changed into something more crowd appealing. Yeah, because Lee was growing up. Cuter. Yeah, that's always been there. It's always been there. But it wasn't as... Just the finances have been getting harder, so they've got to do more.
Starting point is 00:12:44 Plus the hip hop. But it wasn't as mainstream. The hip hop mix, I feel, was way cooler to North American. I feel like you're totally right. I feel like it really appealed here more, too. Yeah. I mean, you occasionally get references to hip hop things in Japan. Like, I think the Gantz intro is the biggest one.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Yeah, no, for sure. But an entire show has been around the concept. Oh, you know what had hip hop? Fucking bomb ahead. Bomb ahead. Yeah. Tanger Tanger. Tanger Tanger.
Starting point is 00:13:11 It's that scene where Woolly dances. Exactly. I don't know about that. Yeah, it's Woolly Makahara. Because I'm a big black guy with a Japanese last name. That makes sense. It happens. Okinawa's a weird place.
Starting point is 00:13:23 The only game I really touched for any significant time this week, other than my homework for Matt, which is a game I'm going to play and we're going to play at some point, was Ground Zeroes. Because there's still stuff to do. There's always still stuff to do. What are you at now? You said seven hours last time.
Starting point is 00:13:39 I met, like, oh, in terms of hours? Yeah. I'm at, like, 12. Shit. And I have, like, 76%. What's your percentage? It's pretty high. But it's getting hard.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Because I'm doing the hard S-Ranks. Yeah. And, like, destroy it. Destroy the shit. The air thing, the hard S-Ranks is awesome. Because once they know that you're there, the whole pattern changes. It's so hard.
Starting point is 00:14:01 I'm surprised that after this many hours, I'm still finding Easter eggs. It's metal gear, so it should be expected. But for some reason, I thought this would have less. It feels so dense. Well, I'm still going to go ahead and, like, assume that the Kojima tradition of every single member of the dev team has to put it in Easter egg.
Starting point is 00:14:20 And because it's only, like, a base that's maybe half a kilometer by half a kilometer wide, it's, like, it's all in there. One of the coolest ones that I found, other than, like, a ton of shit in deja vu that I won't spoil for you, because I know you're going to play that, was when you finish the mission where you save a certain character,
Starting point is 00:14:40 and he appears on the title screen with you. If you go to the chapter select, and you're just on the mission select, and you wait long enough, he'll reach his handover and spin them. That's what I was asking you about last time when I brought it up was, when, if you stick around,
Starting point is 00:14:54 did you see the thing that he does? Which is, okay, that's it. Yeah, you go through, but even if you don't wait, even if you're selected, he will randomly do it. He will randomly fuck with your thing, you know? I happened to be checking a text,
Starting point is 00:15:05 and I was like, what the fuck is this? What are you doing to my game? Stop that. That's like three layers of little, like, we can do this. We know we can do this too! Are you going for the 100%? Yeah, if I can do those S-tranks, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Did you get the last tape? The last cassette tape? Not a Chico tape? Not a... Oh, oh, oh. The last one? The Z-tape? The Z-tape.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Ooh, the Z-tape. Is it the tape from the VIP? No. No. If I said the Z-tape, you would know. You get it for beating all the missions on hard. No, I didn't get it. Did you already tell you what it is?
Starting point is 00:15:41 It's second runner music. It's beyond the bounds. Oh, yes! Okay, I know that's in it. I knew that was in it. That's super cool. I didn't get it. There's so much shit.
Starting point is 00:15:50 This game is really fun. You can find tapes that you set the music when your helicopter arrives. Or you can just play it for a chance. Yeah, but you can have the helicopter coming down and you're running to save the person with beyond the bounds playing. I'm constantly playing it with Tara's theme. Okay. Constantly.
Starting point is 00:16:04 It's such a good song. It works. I like Flight of the Valkyries. No, they're all good. But I'm not going to play that while I'm running around the base. So, Jim is saying, if you do this, people are going to hear your copter coming and fuck with you. Like, when they first showed the demo for Ground Zeroes,
Starting point is 00:16:17 quite awesome. They were like, if you put this assault, like, it's for fun and jokes. But if you put it, guards are like, what the fuck? It's like running to the game itself. Big Boss is like, Morpho, turn that shit off! Like, they run to the position faster than if you didn't put a song. Or something like that. This is Morpho.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Check out these fat beats, Big Boss. Fuck you, Morpho. I don't understand. Why can't I play any up? I want to listen to that when I'm saving people with it. Because it brought music rights. Plus, what was popular in 85? 74.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Oh, God. Fungmaster Flash. I think of the nine years where five should be taken. Probably. The only other game I touched really at all, other than A Bit of Deception, was Loof Drowsers, which is on Vita and PS3. It's by Vlambeer, the guys who made Ridiculous Fishing, Super Crate Box, like, all those little games.
Starting point is 00:17:08 They're good, though. You should play it. But usually when someone says, the guy's that made, and I'm like, okay. Super Crate Box, come on. No. Damn it. They got props for the name. It's really fun.
Starting point is 00:17:19 You play as an airplane that you customize, and it's a 2D, just quick action game, where you go around just blasting shit. And it feels super neat, because you accelerate and you choose one to stop accelerating. So you'll blast yourself through the sky, stop accelerating, and spin around in the air. Oh, I remember that game. You showed it to me. Yes. It's awesome.
Starting point is 00:17:37 It's a really, really fun game. I think it's their best game yet. And boy, I hope they just keep going up from here. Ridiculous Fishing was really great, too. Okay. Okay. Carl. Matt.
Starting point is 00:17:49 What are you doing, Matt? I did a bunch of crap, but as both of you guys saw, or all of you for both of you guys, we have now, Wait, who are you thinking of? You and half of Liam. Which half? We now have a giant marble-like table. Yes.
Starting point is 00:18:07 So in the HQ. So we're going to be able to finally, very soon, do a big live action dumb video for you guys. It's going to be dumb. I noticed that you're still missing the chandelier. You don't have a chandelier, but there's two lights above it, so it's fine. Is it fine? It's fine.
Starting point is 00:18:26 The chandelier is built into the ceiling. Next to the skylight. You've got a skylight. That's nuts. It's got a skylight. That means a guy can break in here. Not really. This accent's getting away from me.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Built a shitload more of IKEA furniture while watching IT Crowd, which I'd already watched all over. Apparently there's one extra episode they added in a fourth season. Well, I don't know about that, but have you seen the North American version? No. I hear about the train wreck that is the American version of the IT Crowd. It is basically a sentence by sentence recreation of the first episode of IT Crowd. Which wasn't the best episode at all.
Starting point is 00:19:16 It's got Joel McGuess's face as... Joel McHale. Joel McHale. Oh, are you serious? Oh, yeah. It is... The guy that got drugged with Jeff Kealy on TV. Yeah, it's super funny.
Starting point is 00:19:25 It is a glorious train wreck, and if you're a fan of IT Crowd, you've got to watch it. So they were just going for the office, really? Yeah. Oh, and they fucked it up. The American office is fine. It's not as... Yeah, it's totally fine. I sadly only know the British one, but I mean, I love the British one to death.
Starting point is 00:19:40 The American one's got so much giffable shit. Like, you see that on the internet all over. No. God, no. Yeah. No. God, no. No.
Starting point is 00:19:51 I see Ricky Gervais doing the dance and point. Of course. Of course. I also, I told Niamh about this. I watched an anime. I watched such a mouthful. Avengers Confidential Black Widow and Punisher. I heard that's terrible.
Starting point is 00:20:09 That's what I heard too. So you did your homework. Yeah, I watched this thing. The first 10 minutes, I go, okay, all right. It seems pretty good. And then after that 10 minutes, I'm like, oh, Jesus. Well, everyone described to me what you feel Black Widow is like in the Avengers movie, like her personality.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Nothing. Just throw out some words. She's supposed to be, she's supposed to be like smooth confidence. Tough. You said nothing. Tough. What do you think she is like in the anime? Don't say damsel.
Starting point is 00:20:40 She wants to sleep with everyone. She wants to sleep with everyone. Ding, ding, ding. She's super sarcastic and she falls in love with anyone at any given note. Her whole thing is that she makes you think that she's falling for you and then shoots your dick off. That's what Black Widow means. In the glorious land of Nipon, she falls in love with some fuck bird scientist and shield.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Okay. Now, I do have to say that the Black Widow of the comics is way more in line with what you just said than the movie. But the anime is based on the movies. Tony Stark is movie Tony Stark. What voices, Frank? Voices. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:23 We watched that awful Iron Man one a few months ago. Remember Iron Man Rise of Technovore? We all fell asleep. Oh my God. I was going to say no, I didn't. But the punisher was played by Daryl in Walking Dead. Yeah, that's fine. And he was fine in that.
Starting point is 00:21:40 They have some other voice actor. He does a fine job. And the animation on this thing is fantastic. It looks like Ninja Scroll. Male character designs. Everyone looks like Ninja Scroll. The punisher looks like Genma. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:53 Like Genma. Disney money. Yeah, Disney money. So the thing looks great. And the action is pretty good. Punisher killing people looks great. But the whole thing just fucking breaks down the dialogue. The punisher keeps saying, oh, you let all those innocent people die.
Starting point is 00:22:08 The innocent people died. Oh, you were doing this. Punisher doesn't care. Punisher cares. But as long as he gets to murder the bad guys. As long as he gets to murder the bad guys. And it's toned down in violence. And like they said, the black widow just falls in love with this guy who looks like Wonder Red.
Starting point is 00:22:27 He looks like Wonder Red. Okay. He's a scientist. Does he mean Will as opposed to Wonder Red? No. He looks like Wonder Red in full costume. Oh, what? Sick.
Starting point is 00:22:36 That's his costume. It looks like it looks very Sentai-ish. That's really cool. He works for this mysterious organization called Leviathan. Yeah. And he's like, I wanted, I didn't think I was worthy of your love, Natasha. She's like, how did you think I would ever not love you? Like he's some fucking scientist.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Who the fuck cares? Like I don't understand. SHIELD is a ginormous organization. Why would black widow out of every single worker be? Like they don't explain this stuff. And the punisher is just there. All of a sudden the Avengers are just thrown in at the last second. And the main villain is revealed in the last five minutes.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Some Rando fucking. RPG style. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You were telling me how like it was really shit that the Avengers were like, the only reason they were there was to salvage its sales. The only reason the Avengers were there was to put Avengers in the title. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Because Black Widow and Punisher is not enough to sell DVDs. Or if it wasn't, why the fuck did you make this thing? Yeah. The things with the Punisher visually and anime, like how they did them, it looks cool. I'd watch a little fight. Was it White Glove Punisher? No. It was kind of like.
Starting point is 00:23:42 I saw the trailer but I don't remember. It was kind of Punisher Warzone Punisher. Like the flak jacket and like sleeves, no gloves. All right. All right. It was like, the Punisher stuff was okay, but like the rest it was just so anime. Right. I didn't like it.
Starting point is 00:23:57 In terms of games, the only thing I was really, I was actually just playing a shitload of The Amazing Spider-Man. Well, sorry. Just before you move on. Sorry. So this puts like the Marvel Mangaverse at like. I haven't watched Blade. Zero for ten.
Starting point is 00:24:10 I haven't watched Blade. The Wolverine series is okay. The X-Men series is okay. What was the really bad one? The Iron Man one. Iron Man one. It's awful. Despite looking the hypest and trailer fight.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Yeah. But the, I haven't watched the Blade one. I have to assume. Like you fucking, then you should watch Hero Man. It's written by Stan Lee. It's written by bones written by Stan Lee. Sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:37 I was just going to say I was playing through Amazing Spider-Man to finish it because the new one's coming out. I kind of want a point of reference to say, how did you do? Because if you all remember Spider-Man one, the one based on the first Sam Raimi movie, terrible. Offright fucking garbage. Spider-Man two, huge leap in improvement. And I want to see if that could possibly hold true for this.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Whereas like, now that you have an engine and you have a thing, can you do well with the time and money Activision has allotted to you? Bruce Campbell playing a part in that at all. Amazing Spider-Man the game? No, no, no, no. And, oh wait, wait, sorry. Full different trilogy. Super fucked up there.
Starting point is 00:25:17 Never mind. You mean, you specifically mean the Amazing Spider-Man games? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Like based on the Andrew Garfield. Yeah, yeah. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:25:27 Sorry. But Bruce Campbell has a big, not a big role, but he's the extreme blimp guy. Oh, he gets a big part. In the game, yeah. In the game he's like, hey Spider-Man come up here and he's the guy that gives you challenges to go around third rings. And he gets all his dumb sarcastic Bruce Campbell. Because I was going to say like, it's kind of a tradition at this point.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Yeah, absolutely. To get him in there somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's always usually a narrator. A narrator, yeah. I was just just thinking about it because I know there's a Spider-Man game sale going on on PSN and it just struck me. Would you rather the Spider-Man games be made by Sony, seeing as they own like the movie
Starting point is 00:26:03 rights? Well Sony what? No, just like the first party because they own the movie rights and everything. What studio? It doesn't matter. Sony doesn't. No, it doesn't matter. But I'm saying would you rather that Ben Beanox is what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Do you mean like Santa Monica or do you mean like just other than Beanox? No, but I honestly think Beanox is doing okay. It's just, I think the problem is Activision. Activision is get another one out. Well, I'm saying would you rather just Sony be in charge of it? No, because then I could say it'd be even more strongly tied to movie release dates. Yeah, whereas this isn't, this is like a few. Yeah, we've got to get some synergy between the movie people and the audience.
Starting point is 00:26:41 Like this is a few weeks off of the movie. I don't know, but I think the problem with the Spider-Man things is Activision is always not giving you a lot of money and not, you know. It's almost like Codex wants to, you know, make a sequel every year for every frame. It's almost like that. Interesting. Well, I'll take the fun out of video games. Out of making video games.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Yeah, but his quote said the fun out of. Out of making video games. Out of making video games. Ah, shucks. Yeah. It looks so much more embarrassing the other way. Yeah, don't trust those rock band guys. They're trying to rip off guitar here, right?
Starting point is 00:27:17 That's my favorite. Oh, that's the best. How about you, Ola? Yeah, what do you do, man? My week was pretty much split right down the middle between two games. Two games. I want to offer a further elaboration. Four ground zeroes.
Starting point is 00:27:32 No, on Titanfall. Oh, good. Oh. You got ripped open for that one. Well, I know. The only thing I saw is that someone said the weapon's wrong. I counted the weapons wrong. I said I said like 11 and there's totally more than one.
Starting point is 00:27:44 There's like 24 or something. Yeah, there's 23. Yeah, and I totally was just whatever, riffing it off. Were they unlockable or you just didn't count it wrong? No, I was looking at, because they show you all of them and I counted wrong. Sure. I wouldn't quite call it ripped open. Good job, idiot.
Starting point is 00:28:01 I totally played a bit more and dismissed a big part of what is making that game fun, which is just the parkour system. What? I thought that would be the part you didn't mention it last week. I didn't mention it last week, but like it's really, really advanced and different from what's out there. Now, don't just start moving faster the more you do it. Okay, when you run, you are moving at a fraction of the speed you're wall running at.
Starting point is 00:28:34 The fastest action you can do in the game is wall run. Okay. Furthermore, you can do advanced crazy tactics like wall run, turn around and run the other way, double jump back onto the wall to mix your directions up or hold the aim button to stop on the wall. Like, so if someone's running after you chasing you into a room, you wall jump up above the ceiling, Spider-Man style and point at the door. And the moment they run in the door, bam.
Starting point is 00:29:01 That's a lot of movement. It's really, really cool. When you get the hang of it, it makes the fun, like, it shoots it through the roof. Just moving around on foot feels really good. And that doesn't make you nauseous. I'm not having a hard time with it. I'm getting, I'm getting, yeah. That's something that most fighters to clip into.
Starting point is 00:29:23 But in general, that combined with like, you know, just playing a bit more, getting a better hangover things and seeing some of the more advanced tactics and stuff, learning things to understand, I'm really, really enjoying the gameplay a lot more than I was last week. You see, that's the thing. I feel like when it's a multiplayer thing, you can easily miss stuff or is it their single player gives you a time to just mess around? Well, because what it effectively is, is like I said, what I said about it is in terms of like, everything outside of the gameplay is really bare bones and that remains true, right?
Starting point is 00:29:54 Sure. But what you need to look at this type of thing as is like a fighting game that's bare bones. Right. Where the core, all the work they put in is when the match begins, you know, and that part is really well thought out because there's many, many instances of, instances of little rock, paper, scissors moments happening. When you, when you rodeo someone and you wait to see if they get out or not, that's a whole little mind game.
Starting point is 00:30:18 And you can do things like call your Titan to drop on them the moment they get out and things like that. Or you can like, they have these amazing moments where when someone's about to blow up in their Titan, they eject and go flying into the air. Yeah. If you're in your Titan, you can, you can call an eject system out as well and you both go flying like a mile above the map and have an air battle. I didn't hear about that.
Starting point is 00:30:39 That's pretty good. It's so fucking cool. Um, and you both have a double jump. So whoever uses it first will have the advantage until the other guy uses his. Like, so everything's great moments. You are creating a really weird position for me because everything you're saying makes me way, way more interested in it. But since my options are to play it on the PC with origin and the fact that my setup
Starting point is 00:31:02 doesn't really allow mouse and keyboard for first person shooters online means, oh, I get to do all this crazy shit with a controller against the mouse and keyboard people and you're making it like less likely for me to go in even though I'm more interested. If you're playing the 360 version exists. Does it? I mean, yeah. It keeps getting put. Dude, it's going to come out just because.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Yeah, but I know faith in what it's going to be after all these delays. But yeah, even if you could get past the origin wall, like you'd have to be fighting guys and people. It's like how you're not going to get good. You know, just what type of. Yeah. Tell that to the quick players on the dreamcast against the PC players. Get good.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Dreamcast was that the dreamcast had a mouse and keyboard attachment. And the PC didn't. No. You could play quick three arena on the dreamcast and the dreamcast also had a mouse and keyboard attachment, which would not split games when you play quick three. So you had dreamcast controllers that don't even have a second analog stick versus guys with a keyboard. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Right. I like unreal a lot. PS3 was out on PS3. I grabbed my mouse and keyboard and it was a fucking joke. Oh, what a joke. Boy, was that fun. But yeah, so Titanfall a lot better. Fantastic.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Really fun. And the other thing I did with my week was. Did it live up to the hype? The thing I'm about to talk about. Titanfall. Oh, I've seen it. I have seen Titanfall. It has arrived.
Starting point is 00:32:40 And yes, it's quite fun. I would recommend it. It's good. The other thing I did with my week was continue the adventures in Drangleic. Yeah. With Woolworth. Dark Souls 2. Dark Souls 2.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Woolworth. Yeah, he named it Woolworth. Named it. Yes. And me and Liam were shocked when we went over to your place. I wasn't. You were shocked. Well, because he told me that he wasn't going to play it for a while.
Starting point is 00:33:08 And I just, I got in. I got in. You're way in there now. Well, I was surprised when you told me that like, oh, I took the path that most people don't take because they backtrack at a point and go back to the tower. You took the. Like, I don't look up anything on the internet for souls. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:33:25 I did the same thing. Yeah. So is it really most people don't take it? Because all three of us took that. I made it. I guess. Because I ended, like my character ended up, I took out the first boss and I got back to that point on my replay through in like 25 minutes time.
Starting point is 00:33:39 Yeah, sure. You know, whatever. And then went on to the pursuer and then just like, that's where I had my first fuck you dark souls moment. Yeah. You know, trying to run for that ballista and it didn't work out great, but beat him and then just kept going onwards till I hit the point where you said I, I went into the below.
Starting point is 00:33:58 That you've fought the ruins sentinels like super early way earlier than most everybody fights the ruins sentinels super early because Liam, you're right. Everyone goes on that path. Yeah. And then the root sentinels are super tough. They're super brutal. And most people were, I mean, it feels like back down and say, well, I'll try the other area and the other area is much easier by comparison.
Starting point is 00:34:18 That should be the name of the DLC for that game. Right. The Dark Souls 2 is the back down. I don't think Dark Souls 2 is going to have DLC. The Dark Souls 1 DLC was an area that was cut for time and development and then they put it back in. Maybe they'll put the lighting back in. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:34 I'd like for them to do that. But, uh, but yeah, no, um, I, I managed to get through those sentinels. Uh, They're super cool. Yeah. I, I died to them twice hard and then popped my effigy called in a guy, he, he helped me take out one. He dropped dead and then I, I got through that.
Starting point is 00:34:50 So I'm having a blast right now. You are having a blast. I'm having a blast. It's good. Like take me asking random questions about like systems as me having a blast. Before the podcast set up, like me and William Burritos and he's like, how does equip load work? Like exactly.
Starting point is 00:35:08 Like, you know, like, you know, there's a lot in there. Yep. And I'm, and I'm starting to feel what people were talking about in terms of like, um, yes, you get, uh, easy, like, you get, you get an easier time by having projectiles, but that fucking steeps up way hard on you because you can't kill things anymore. You run out of spells and you don't get another catalyst for a long as you're, you're in a very interesting position because, uh, Liam, how far did you get into Dark Souls 2? Uh, I beat the Lost Center.
Starting point is 00:35:37 I got a bit further than that. So you're about halfway or a third, actually. Uh, I, I, I, I, I beat it and I, I kind of feel that it's a little weaker than Dark Souls 1. I can already feel that. Oh, everyone already said that. I know. But hold on.
Starting point is 00:35:51 I'm talking in regards to Woolly. I think it's, it's probably the worst of the Souls game, which means it's the best one to start on. It's also the easiest, uh, but it also means that you're in a really nice position and you can cut your teeth on this new one that's out right now and you can get that community. And then when you say, I want to go play the old stuff, those games are quote unquote solved, like every, every secret is known, every mechanic has been dissected. You can just go back and your enjoyment will not be lessened by time.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Plus, plus Woolly loves bosses and I think we already talked about this. Dark Souls 2 has like the weakest bosses. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Any order you wanted and you would get like all, like 95% of the enjoyment. When you say, no, when you say the weakest bosses, do you mean in terms of like overall package?
Starting point is 00:36:39 Like the whole thing. Design game. Because I want to, I want to. I think the pursuer is the coolest thing. You're right. You're right. Wait till you see the penetrator. Oh.
Starting point is 00:36:48 I'm not even joking. You're, you're about that. You're right. In that the pursuer is kick ass. That's really cool. But the gaping dragon is a billion times more kick ass than the pursuer. You're sure? Neato.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Neato. Neato. It's real fucking Neato. Okay. The, you know, the demon's astrea. He doesn't know about Sif. He loves Sif. Sif?
Starting point is 00:37:10 You know about Sif? What is that? It's the great gray wolf Sif. It's a giant wolf. The fight two of the greatsword and it's mouth. What? It's super cool. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Oh. Okay. So yeah. You have like a nice, and in the, in the Dark Souls 1 DLC there's a guy named Artorius and he's basically guts. Artorius. Okay. He's literally guts.
Starting point is 00:37:32 He's literally guts in the berserk armor and the cover of Dark Souls' DLC is an homage piece of art of the very first shot of guts in the berserk armor. Okay. Like you have, you have like a huge, huge amount of stuff in front of you. You don't have to wait. It's just there for you. And so far my spec is looking all right. You're doing fine.
Starting point is 00:37:53 You'll have an easier time with the spec you're using now in the older games. Okay. Oh boy will you. Okay. So I'd suggest actually not like toning it, like going for, for Demon's Souls it'll be a joke. Yeah. So like str-go purr on less, more faith, less ints if you want to keep that, that, that
Starting point is 00:38:13 nice range. Because in Dark, well I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm doing no faith. I'm going like battle mage basically. No, no, no. But I mean in, in, in demons like ints, like an int build with magic was like way easier than a melee build. Okay. Cause the game was balanced around a melee build.
Starting point is 00:38:29 I see. Okay. Yeah. Um, so I'm going to not gap on as much about it as you do, but I'm in there, I'm sold and I'll give a vacation. I don't care what time of day it is. If you're like, I need to know what this stat means. Just give me a text.
Starting point is 00:38:43 There's a select button. Yeah. But sometimes that's not enough. Or sometimes I was thinking you're going to say sometimes it lies to you. Cause I'm like, I'm reading these things like, but it's that true though. Sometimes it lies. Is that even true? That's what's so good about it though.
Starting point is 00:38:59 No, but that's it man. Um, the dishonesty mixed in there is what makes it so. Cause you've got to rely on the community. Yeah. Yeah. Or yourself. Or yourself. But you're not slim.
Starting point is 00:39:10 When we were at your place, Liam says he's never left a message. He's never summoned a human player. Yeah. I'm totally, that's, I'm having so much fun doing that. I played this game with nobody. I did demons totally co-op with my roommate and it was super fun. And then after that, uh, for dark and for dark two, haven't left a message, haven't summoned a person.
Starting point is 00:39:30 As soon as I learned how to do gestures, I was like, yeah, you get summoned to help people. No. Well, I don't touch the multiplayer, but I love it. But the rat thing's really cool though. I tried that. I tried that. Well, I just tried a bit cause I'm like, oh, what is this new covenant that everyone's
Starting point is 00:39:44 saying is so cool cause rat guys are dead. The rat covenant is fucking killer. I think I'm going to change my covenant to the bell keepers. The bell keepers. The constant PVP all the time and you get, you get, you lose nothing by losing when you invade as a bell keeper. And the rat one is even cooler. The rat one is you hang out in an area and you set up traps and then dudes get summoned
Starting point is 00:40:05 into your world and you fight them. Cool. And if you put on the ring that makes you look like a white phantom, they think that you're there to help you and then you stab them in the back. You get to be the biggest asshole. But if no one summoned, if you didn't summon someone to help you, why would they help you? Because you act like you're going to help more, you bow, you wave, and then you move in front of them.
Starting point is 00:40:31 And that's all it takes and then they move in front of you and yeah, it's over. Yeah, this game. Dark Souls really is scumbag tactics are the only way to win. I found some more. Can you kick a dude off a cliff? Go for it. Yeah. Can I find the right angle where that enemy can't walk through that door?
Starting point is 00:40:52 Stick? Yeah. Use it. Great. And it's even better when it's against other people. And there's no voice, so all you just have to imagine is someone rolling around for a little bit. Oh, it's so fucking good.
Starting point is 00:41:05 How's your week, man? Dude, I beat Infamous and that final boss fucking sucks. I know, I... It sucks! Is it my imagination is every... I always hear... Maybe I'm wrong. Is it the Infamous final boss?
Starting point is 00:41:17 Terrible? Yes. Because I remember someone... I didn't play the second one, but the first one. Yes. Absolutely. I remember you yelling, gammering on about some Infamous final boss that you hated one time.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Okay, so I have no idea what they are, but I would hope just based on the premise... They are other super powered dudes. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. So how does that suck? So here's the worst part. I'm going to spoil a little bit of the Infamous ending sequence.
Starting point is 00:41:40 For seconds. For seconds. In the first game, it's a terrible boss fight. It's like, there's a super powered guy, there's lots of little tiny guys around it, and it sucked. In the second one, you fight a big giant dude, like on a war fight, and it sucks. And in the third one, you fight round two against a similarly super powered boss, and it ends up being the idea of like, I'm going to fight this boss, and then I'll get their
Starting point is 00:42:07 power, and then I'll use their power against them and beat them. And the problem is that the power is built up through the whole game as being the best power. It's so good. Like, this character, even though they don't have the rogue steel power thing, is so much better than you because they have this power. And then you get this power, and it sucks. It's so shitty to use.
Starting point is 00:42:27 I think it was only built up in that way, in terms of plot. Sure. It's the crux of the plot. You have characters going, that's the best power in the game. Like literally, like one of the audio logs you find out, it's like, the audio logs straight up says like, when we were figuring out a power. Or we could give to all the troops, it was obvious that we'd use this one, because it's so good.
Starting point is 00:42:50 They said it was the ideal one, because why would you use glass? And you get it, and it's this dumb thing, it's like you get the first one, and like, now I can shoot, and you get the second one, and now I can jump, and then you can only use it in post game, and it's just lame. It's super lame. Like the second and third powers are easily way better. Third one's really fun. And you don't get to use them in the final boss fight.
Starting point is 00:43:13 The final boss just sucks though, it's not particular. And what Liam was talking about, like Rear's head really badly, the karma thing, that I went all good, I get to the ending, and they have a fucking good like chapter marker, and a bad chapter marker, and I walked into the bad chapter marker, and it says you need evil karma to continue. Yeah. So you have to go back and grind four levels of good just to get out. Which would take hours.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Which would take so many hours. And does that take away the opposite, your evil? Yeah. So then why not just make it choose the one that you're completely out of? You'd think by the third game they would get this right. Well, I mean, that sounds like a bug fix. I felt this way about Infamous since the first one. They're all like that.
Starting point is 00:43:55 They're all good, but that's it. They're all strong sevens. Yeah, I'm pretty happy with it. I'd say seven and a half or eight, and I'm really glad I played it, but it's like they are egregious flaws, and the jumping's floaty, and it all feels a bit... I like the jumping. It feels good, but it's floaty nonetheless. It's not snappy and quick, like say a vanquish or something.
Starting point is 00:44:17 And it's less sticky in this one. Oh, thank God. It does feel sticky, Joe. There's always the prototype comparison. Yeah. You have held a lot faster in this one. This one snatched a lot of ideas from the prototype one. They also had a terrible, do you remember that final boss final, the aircraft carrier?
Starting point is 00:44:31 Awful. Fucking terrorist. And so probably the most disappointing thing about Infamous's final boss is that the penultimate final boss against the same character using the same powers is way better. It's way, way better. It's way more interesting. It's way more fun. The game should have ended there.
Starting point is 00:44:52 And then they're like, do two more missions. Like, okay. So it's like fighting Virgil first, and then a stupid big monster. Yeah. Yeah. DMC Mundus. Arkham. Arkham, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:08 So, if you did Infamous, it's okay. It's good. I'm glad it came out. I know I sound like a broken record, but have any of you guys done Zephepa yet? No. Sorry, it's not out yet? No, it's not out yet. I did the first episode.
Starting point is 00:45:20 It's broken. Sorry. Okay. It's not broken anymore. You just need to go on the website. Oh, it was broken when I did it. Solve the ARG. I'm never going to go back.
Starting point is 00:45:28 You have to finish a mission, then solve an ARG that goes with it, then you get the next mission. Then you go back and forth. But a part of it's not already. The first mission. Yeah. And you're like, no, you don't get any more. And I'm never going to go back now.
Starting point is 00:45:40 No. My interest is waning, unfortunately. It's like a total, like, please don't sell this, like, thing, and it's like, I beat the game in a weekend. I would have been happier if the paper thing was a $10 TLC. I don't know about that. But I would fucking get to play it. Sure.
Starting point is 00:45:58 And not wait six weeks. Aside from that, I played a bunch of Ground Zeroes. Ground Zeroes is awesome. Yes. But you know what's not awesome? What? Skull Face? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:08 So bad. I told you guys, right? He's good. But he's evil. Like, this villain is so fucking cartoony when you see him, and then you turns out when you get more information, he's probably the most evil fucker in the Metal Gear universe. Absolutely. Like, it reminds me, I went to Game Facts to check for, like, the XOF patch locations,
Starting point is 00:46:25 and I saw a fucking topic on Game Facts that said, has Kojima gone too far with Skull Face? And I'm thinking there, it's like, wow, I'm really thinking hard about a Game Facts fucking topic. Yeah. Like, because it's totally a valid question. Answer. Yeah, Facts has become weird. Like, I used to go there a lot.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Yes. Yes, it has. But it's become weird in that it is constantly parroting NeoGaff now. Yeah. In a bad way. What do you mean? Where it's just like, oh, like sales thread, oh, X, and all these people have no fucking clue what they're talking about on Game Facts.
Starting point is 00:46:58 The answer to that question, has Kojima gone too far? No war has gone too far. Oh. Because it has. And that's what we're doing. Seriously, though, Skull Face is the absolute, like, was one of my, like, oh, that's not a fucker. Because Volgen is a piece of shit, because he just doesn't give a fuck.
Starting point is 00:47:19 He's just chaotic. Like, he's also, he's a sadistic, rapist, torturing, murderous asshole. Yeah, he's chaotic evil. Yeah, totally. He's chaotic evil, for sure. But Skull Face is like, he's that kind of. He's neutral evil. He's evil.
Starting point is 00:47:35 I'm the same character. Exactly. He's neutral evil in the sense that it's like, whereas you could just look at Volgen and go, what a fucking cartoon villain. Right? Skull Face, who's also a cartoon villain, is doing it just for clear ends. And it's like, oh my god, you have no limits. No, no limits.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Do you know what just realized? I think, I mean, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first Metal Gear villain in a long time where it's like, this is a fucking villain. I mean, Volgen was a villain, but it's not like he came in and then he left. Okay, there was like, yes, I know what you mean, but it's like in terms of like a character that's present and not just like a politician on a Kodak. Yeah. Or Ocelot, who wasn't really a villain at all.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who you end up liking. Well, as we lost all our old villains, so now we need a new, clear, very justified antagonist. Like Solidus, too, also was like, oh, he's the villain, oh wait, maybe, hmm, yeah. The problem was actually the arm shot was pretty evil, though. Yeah. Yeah. The problem whatever it was is that we're never going to see, though, that a snake eater
Starting point is 00:48:43 style thing again, where with the exception of Volgen, the lines are so blurred and you're like. Are we not? Well, no, but what I mean is the whole thing with the whole thing with the boss and her philosophy of there is no true enemy, there's just the times and the times reflect what is good and what is bad. And if you move and shift with the times, then, yeah, exactly, we don't, we won't necessarily see that anymore.
Starting point is 00:49:09 There's never been anything as a timeless, absolute enemy. Yes, exactly. And that's a great philosophy and especially when you feel it through the gameplay. Fucking snake eater. The Phantom Pain has real time gameplay, so there's time, time, time. You're trying too hard. You're trying too hard. You're trying too hard.
Starting point is 00:49:25 So great. No, I don't know. But I hope so. Yeah. Maybe. Any, I think we talked about this a little bit, but who the fuck is Skull Face? Uh, nobody. I change my, I completely recant every theory I've had in the past.
Starting point is 00:49:39 In the first week. You're like, it's Galvez. But Skull Face is. I don't think it's Galvez. I said knowing me. Skull Face is new and no one and awesome. Yeah. Skull Face is someone.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Hey, Skull Face, because he says I, I, me and him go, go away a long ways back. No, I'd be like Kojima is like Skull Face is an old character. Yes. Really? So this is what, this is what I'm going to say. Skull Face is no one that's shown up in the solid series. That's, yeah. He's probably a character from the Metal Gear series.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Maybe. You could. I was thinking his voice. Oh no. His voice shouldn't really matter, but like, I think we said, you know, one of us, you said Galvez baby. But I'm wrong about that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:13 I know. Yeah. I was thinking of also Cunningham. Do you remember Cunningham and Portable Ops? Yeah. He's a black guy. Yeah. Was it Portable Ops?
Starting point is 00:50:21 Retcon though? Yeah. Portable Ops is gone. Also the attitude is straight up gone. The attitude is way too different. But not, not Frank. Yeah. Frank is important.
Starting point is 00:50:29 Frank is still a part of that. So weird. But Retcon, a whole game except for this one cutscene. Well, because they, you know, are exactly alive again. That's true. They did. Also. And he appears in Ground Zeroes.
Starting point is 00:50:40 Also the meeting of Miller. But yeah. But regardless. Yeah. I don't even think Cunningham though, because the attitude is just way too different, way different for you. It's, it's gotta be a character that is not gonna be so much worse. We'll find out and go like, oh.
Starting point is 00:50:50 That's dumb. Yeah. It's Huey. It's probably Huey or something. No, it's a Ghost Babel character. It's Blackheart's Viper. It says you already know that can't be true. I know it can't be true.
Starting point is 00:51:02 Time Carinox. Oh shut up. Ghost Babel never existed and it takes place in the future. And it doesn't exist also. Yeah. It should be somebody from Acid. Oh. Dude.
Starting point is 00:51:15 Acid also doesn't exist. It's an alternate timeline. Well like the guy from Toronto. There's totally a guy from Ontario on Acid. It's Superham. Who? Acid's its own thing too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:27 Yeah. It's his own thing. But yeah. I played Ground Zeroes and Ground Zeroes is awesome. Yeah. It's fucking great. I think we all agree. Me and Matt played Left Behind and like they're relatively applicable in terms of like.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Stealth. Stealth gameplay. And it's like pricing 15 versus 30 I think. But like there's a lot more in Ground Zeroes. Yeah. What's the called one you like the guy has the exclamation mark and it slows down again? Reflex mode. Reflex mode.
Starting point is 00:51:54 Reflex mode killer. I love it. It makes the game super. Turn it off. Turn it off. Yeah. Yeah. You lose points if you're not.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Yeah. What you use items in DMC. No. I know. Exactly. I realized that. I'm not going to turn it off because like I still screw up even with reflex mode. Oh really?
Starting point is 00:52:10 Yeah. Pat. Because I'm running. When reflex mode kicks in like there's a wall between me and the guy. Pat did this thing multiple times when I was at his place and he was playing where he wanted to shoot a guy so he would walk closer to them to get reflex to kick in so he could aim better. Oh no.
Starting point is 00:52:28 No. Shut up though. No. Just be like wait around the corner turn around and they go oh there's just I'll put you to sleep. Ground Zeroes is totally great. I rescind my length complaints. Has anyone actually did the cool leap into a crawl and it be cool?
Starting point is 00:52:44 Yeah. Yeah. Because I never found an opportunity where it looked cool. It looked like the first trailer demonstration. No for me the coolest use of it is when you get seen or you're about to the guy's like what is that and then you dive to the side and you stand in the bushes like. The coolest use of it for me and this was I had this in the stream unfortunately it was not recorded.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Yeah. I shot a rocket launch at me and I don't know. Perfect. So cool. Nice. Also that music as you're doing the final escape with the POW on your shoulder. Yeah. Like that is dramatic.
Starting point is 00:53:17 Real good. The chopper's coming down. That feels important. Yeah. Can't wait for the Phantom Pain. I'm really, really, really excited for the Phantom Pain. They played us like a goddamn fiddle. No.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Phantom Pain. Both of them played like an instrument. The only thing that brings me out of Phantom Pain is that it's really clear that the Robert Atkin Downs did I want to say like 95% of all the voice acting in fucking enough Phantom Pain in Ground Zeroes. Yeah. He does like half the guards, he does like a bunch of different characters in different accents but it's clearly just him.
Starting point is 00:53:53 Kiefer barely talks. Instead like Miller gets half the like more than half the line. He's a Kodak character. Yeah. But all the time. I was like, ah. Well, I mean wait for actual scenes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:06 And the new flow of gameplay of spotting and then infiltrating. Yes. It's good. Super good. It's good. So good. It's good. Totally works.
Starting point is 00:54:18 What else do I do in my week? The only thing is that I'm going to shill my Twitter account because I got a Twitter account. Our old Twitter account used to be angry as pep but then I was like I can't use this. I need my own. So I just switched it around. So that's not. What's yours? I'm confused.
Starting point is 00:54:34 2BF Liam. 2BF Liam is Liam's angriest pat is mine and now the new show account is 2BF official. Finally. And I'm on there and I'm doing tweets. Oh god. I don't know. I don't know how. Dude, I don't know how it works.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Like I'm like people are trying to explain to me like here's how you do this. And I do it and it doesn't work and I just tweet to no one and it's like congratulations. You are now old. I guess I'm an old guy. Whenever you, I think the cut off point is like your parents don't know what a Facebook is. Yeah. What a new piece of technology.
Starting point is 00:55:11 So when once comes and you look at it and you go I joked. No. And Twitter is also like. So if you guys want to see me get old and fight technology you can follow me at at angriest pat. It's really sad. Just because you said that I during my weekend I was like I need DVD cases to hold all the DVDs.
Starting point is 00:55:31 I told this to me and I was like that's really sad. So I go into like a place, a future shop and I go do you have any DVD cases? And they're like like for movies. I'm like well like it's a book with plastics inside to put in loose things and he goes I who physical he goes art our tablet cases are over here sir and went no I mean it's like to hold CDs for data or games and he goes we haven't sold those years and I was like oh my god I'm sold. That's depressing.
Starting point is 00:56:00 It sucks. So then I went to like an office store and they had like a 64 slip one. But they still didn't know what they were. No I just found it. Remember when you walked into a future shop and CDs cost more than DVDs? Yeah. Yeah. It was some weird licensing thing.
Starting point is 00:56:14 It was surreal. I just thought it was weird. And it sucked because you were using CDs all the time for things not PlayStation 1 games. I thought it was just like demand went down because DVDs were in and no it was some weird licensing thing. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking weird.
Starting point is 00:56:32 I remember those days you'd walk in by like that spindle of 200 DVDs and you're like boy I hope no one knows what I'm going to use this for. Everyone knows. Damn it. Mixed tapes. Mixed tapes. Do you mean mixed tapes? Why do you say tapes though?
Starting point is 00:56:47 They're mixed tapes. No shut up man. No. Like I got a whole bunch of burnt Kamen Rider just sitting there on the spools. Is it Kabuto? It's Kabuto. I think I got that from the same guy you got it from. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:00 A bunch of them. After we supported the official release, obviously. Of course. I still have like 50 CDs that the Black Goku sent me. The Black Goku. The tons of anime like Mezzo Forte. Yeah. Oh Liam you should.
Starting point is 00:57:13 Give me the Mezzo Forte. No. Give it to him. No I got to watch that later. Oh god and then re-burning it into formats that will work on my consoles. Oh no. But anyway. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Dark times. What's new in the video game industry this week? It's an industry. Has it been a week already? Yes. It feels like and it feels like so much has happened. It feels like an eternity. For starters Phil Spencer took over.
Starting point is 00:57:40 Took over Microsoft. Phil Spencer's the new head of Xbox. Which is good. That's good. He liked video games by the way. He can talk some shit. This morning I was like he's such a disingenuous guy and he's just like Call of Duty 4 is a Call of Duty 4 is all the time.
Starting point is 00:57:54 And then. So he'll be a great fit. And then I got super proven wrong and he really just likes games a lot. So he's super genuine. Wasn't Phil Spencer the guy that went on GAF? I was going to say coincidentally all the leaks. That was Penelope. Penelope.
Starting point is 00:58:11 I was going to say coincidentally all the leaks on GAF have doubled since the announcement. The only thing I got to say about Phil Spencer is like I find it really funny every time he's on stage he's always wearing the Token Indie Company shirt every time. And Shahid Kamal who's like him but for Sony at one point made a joke of it by wearing a shirt that said Token Indie Company on it because he was like Phil Spencer is such a shit. That's too inside though. It's super meta.
Starting point is 00:58:39 That's too inside. And it's way too deep. I think you're right though. Like I'm sure he actually does enjoy games and I think that's what Microsoft is trying to do. They put the head guy and make him say we love games. But games forget about that TV show even though we're still probably doing that. But is that going to stop like Elop from selling the division to Samsung?
Starting point is 00:59:00 Yeah. No. I mean. But it will stop them from putting execs on stage. They said that their next show will have no execs on stage. You know what? That's probably a good idea because the past I want to say four years. And then like wow you got a bunch of puppet robots up on stage this year didn't you?
Starting point is 00:59:22 I can't believe they ever let Mattrick on a fucking stage. He's so weird. Why does he always look like he's melting? Because he is. Because he is. Shit. The Xbox keeps him alive. The power of the cloud keeps him alive.
Starting point is 00:59:33 It's truly a catalyst. And Phil Spencer is a decent talker. The all in one catalyst for keeping your body together. The only thing I always felt about Microsoft. And I've always felt about them like this since the Xbox first came out. Back in 2004. It's very abundantly clear that their 99% of their focus is big sellers in America obviously. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Yeah. Whatever. And they always have the niches Japanese titles. And I feel like their thing is like oh yeah Japan makes games and they just throw some money that way and they don't even care. They don't even look in that direction. Honestly. They let the trailers run with no audio.
Starting point is 01:00:13 And then in 2003, Mist Walker was such a put money over here and let it do its thing. And who's the fat now? Who's the fat now? Who's the fat now? Who's the fat now? The swary is it fat now. The original Xbox had tons of from software games exclusively. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:31 Right. And tons of other weird obscure bullshit from Japan. And the 360. Second ones don't count. Way less so. The 360 had Mist Walker stuff. It had like lots of earth defense tools. Super Dragon Lost Odyssey.
Starting point is 01:00:41 It had some stuff but it goes down each time and that's why we're all surprised at why you can try it anymore. Well one of the biggest bummers for me, because a lot of people don't know this, they're like I looked it up today just to get an accurate number because I wanted to make sure. There's about 60 something Xbox 360 exclusive titles in Japan only. Sure. Some of those were extremely highly. 60?
Starting point is 01:01:02 Yeah. That's way higher than I think. Yeah exactly. How many of your cashmuffs? Because there's probably a... 57. Anyway and a lot of them are really good like Steins Gate and stuff but Microsoft Japan never even fucking lifted a finger to push these anywhere and it's like.
Starting point is 01:01:17 No. Because they know it's futile. But it's like. Why they make them? Why they get them? Well Microsoft didn't pay for them. They were made exclusively for the 360. Yeah I know but if they're not going to be willing to push them then why are you going
Starting point is 01:01:30 after them? Put in the fucking effort. They're too busy paying for Zaz's hair kite. I have a similar problem that's not having to do with Japan but when Pinello got in there was a quote that was going around. I don't remember if it was from Pinello or somebody lower but it's the same quote they say every two years. We are really dedicated towards the PC as a gaming space and we're going to do a really
Starting point is 01:01:51 good job moving forward and they always like whenever somebody comes up this is like so oh so Killer Instinct's going to come to the PC they go ahhh oh is Halo going to come ahhh like they're never going to fucking put any of their first parties shit on PC. Those two actually just yeah that's exactly what happened. Like you're going to you're going to you're going to you want to push Microsoft to the PC how about you put your fucking games on it. Well get a couch. I have a couch.
Starting point is 01:02:20 I play PC games on the couch. Get a couch mostly everyone else. You don't port your system sellers. You don't port your system sellers. Then they should shut the fuck up. It's bad for business. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:30 Every time they say that I get super pissed. Because they don't do anything. They never do anything. In fact now they're doing less. They're actively anti-doing stuff by letting games through windows lapse and not actually helping anyone get it done. No no no they're not letting things just to cancel them. Like fuck.
Starting point is 01:02:45 Like why is games through for windows not kill like why is it decomposing and not killed. Exactly. It's going to die soon. No but they're letting it lapse and they're not helping any developers get their games off of it. Yeah. Which sucks. Which sucks.
Starting point is 01:03:01 The reason I bring up this like disingenuity I always feel towards it is because like right after Phil Spencer was appointed he made the comment of like Shenmue 3 is a big title we always hear get thrown around that people want and I feel like that was so on the nose in its disingenuity. Like you would never green light Shenmue 3. Well why are you even saying that because you want to get a system seller. Like why are you even saying that because you want people to get an Xbox because maybe Shenmue 3.
Starting point is 01:03:33 But that's what I'm saying. Darkstalkers is not dead. Yeah I know it. But that's different. It's just going to get it. Capcom. But like wishful thinking maybe I have enough clout to pull this off. No I don't.
Starting point is 01:03:44 But I just mean Microsoft always does this. It's like oh look we got Panzergun but we don't give a shit about it. We got Yakuza we don't actually ah Yakuza we got Shenmue but we don't actually give a shit about it. And they do this every fucking time and it's like fuck. Stick with it. Support your games and your developers and the developers that make exclusive ship for you even in Japan support them fucking help them out.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Let Rare make a game. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know Rare to make a game. New Rare. Stop making games. Yeah I don't know about New Rare man. Oh no.
Starting point is 01:04:16 They did good by getting Iron Galaxy though. Yeah. That was something. Yeah we'll talk about that later. Totally. Well since you're setting it up I suppose we might as well go right in the Lang Zone everybody. The Lang Zone has expanded.
Starting point is 01:04:30 It's safe. It's girth is expanding. It's warm and tall in there. The troops pushed forth and conquered new territory and now Killer Instinct is part of the Lang Zone. Fantastic. That is the best possible case scenario. Yeah Iron Galaxy is very quickly becoming like the western fighting game.
Starting point is 01:04:51 Exactly. So to tell the story. Killer Instinct as we covered a couple times the development is being passed off because Double Helix got bought by Amazon. We're all scratching our heads about that but Microsoft said we have someone else lined up and we were taking our guesses. The two front runners we had were Iron Galaxy and Lab Zero because they're the two western fighting game companies.
Starting point is 01:05:22 It's funny that Netherrealm is just a good one. Well no because Netherrealm is owned by Warner Brothers. I know but they didn't even get drawn up at all. Well because they're owned by Warner Brothers. But in the conversation of western fighting games. Well because I think someone played the games and went okay but yeah so they pulled in Iron Galaxy. Now Lab Zero is way too busy with Skullgirls I can't even imagine them being able to handle
Starting point is 01:05:46 this right now. And they're way smaller than Iron Galaxy. But Iron Galaxy is totally they got dive kick out there and they've been working on tons of cap comports. Yeah they did dirt strike and Marvel Origins and Darkstalkers. They know a thing or two about handling a fighting game with previous assets existing. But we kind of talked about this last time is that if we're thinking like oh could it be Iron Galaxy is that like they don't have the actual experience so far.
Starting point is 01:06:15 So right what we said was they haven't been proven as far as a brand new from scratch thing goes. But this is a nice in between. But they totally ported a ton of fighters it is solid and you have to imagine that since killing that code since killing some runs on an engine that all these assets would pass to them. Well the common denominator here is that all the fighting games they worked on before and Killer Instinct are being handed off from another group.
Starting point is 01:06:44 So they can totally handle that. I feel like this is a really nice in between from doing straight port jobs into now taking over full development of a larger title like maybe in the span of this generation we can see Iron Galaxy is like straight up like we're making the fucking fighting game. Maybe man this is this is the push they know yeah Liam's right we're going to hit they're going to make Street Fighter 6 after five tanks for gem sales. Whatever the case may be like this is going to be the push and like if Microsoft says yeah that can't I think that all right here you guys go do something yeah you know or
Starting point is 01:07:16 maybe it'll be turn fighters uncaged into a real fighter I don't know like whatever that'd be the fucking Dave Lang maybe giant and bald but I seem to trust him I think he's going to do a job and you know who else I trust motherfucking Keats yeah Keats is still there motherfucking Keats is on the job Keats is the combat director on Killer Instinct yeah yo I am so happy there's no reason to not have faith yeah I sent him the biggest fucking congratulations today on Keats at E3 last year we're both in power like I don't know about this Killer Instinct thing I was a little bit more positive but I was still like I don't know and Keats was like I love it I think it's great it's really interesting
Starting point is 01:07:58 and we'll go play more later and then I'm like I have to be grudgingly like shut my mouth because Keats knows more than me because he's smart and you saw that I posted a quote from Keats saying I got your back everyone I've been crazy since day one yeah but more important than anything is that now we're going to have a lot more streams in which we get to see Dave Lang blown up yeah yeah like that's the most important thing that's the crux of the story that'd be really great because Microsoft does those Thursday night streams and they were like every two weeks yeah they still do that's what they showed all that new Fulgore stuff last week yeah but now Keats and Dave Lang get to handle that that'd be so sick
Starting point is 01:08:38 oh man I can't wait I can't wait I'm so good yeah no that that is excellent fucking news I'm super hyped for yeah season two wherever that goes from when I eventually get an expo and then K.I. I need to shut my mouth and just go and do it do it I just have to and you'll have you'll have like more than enough like I'll get blown up like real hard as you should fun game though well as you deserve to I don't get to I don't deserve to get blown up you deserve to get blown up for ignoring it right now you deserve it then anyway speaking of things in the future that we were looking forward to we have confirmation gentlemen I can't believe it we have confirmation yeah the last Guardian release date quarter one twenty
Starting point is 01:09:25 fifties final no way where did this come from so there was a Sony financial document that went out basically and it had all the you know quarterly releases and stuff it had all the you know the usual suspects yeah order you know shadow the beast 2015 yeah but this one was fucking smack Q1 2015 and no one noticed it until today this is because it came out today I feel like no probably people all saw it like there's no way they're gonna hit that yeah we're gonna get to the day before and they're like ah fuck it's cancel but no specifically today with the announcement please be excited right now and everything in the future oh my god so who's gonna die the kid or the griffin necrados yeah yeah the griffin the
Starting point is 01:10:13 griffin I think it is the griffin to the griffin looks like it's dying already it's got a lot of shit it's true yeah it's been so long it's like now the griffin is a woman and now she has big tits and now she has a chain sword and now she's Noriko now she's Noriko please enjoy heavenly sword too what happened it's a G movie we thought we could streamline it because the way it is vision was a little complex gray wait a way to turn this back for a minute and that's what happens yeah no really exciting um other bits of exciting news exciting exciting yeah you see doubtful about the excitement potential well hey you guys you guys like candy crush saga no you're not fans of candy crush saga those guys are
Starting point is 01:11:01 dicks I don't know how many condescending looks I've given to people on the metro playing candy crush saga hey did you know you're subhuman because of the game you enjoy I know and I hate myself for doing it but I look at him and I'm like fuck they can't see your looks so I went to the I went to the kitchen I grabbed a beer and I came back and my girlfriend was playing candy crush oh no actually we had to have a talk now um but yeah you don't like candy crush well how would you like it with some new microtransactions I wouldn't so what ushered this in I still don't well it seems like they're offering the option to buy stocks in candy crush saga finally there's a microtransaction like in king.com like in a company because king.com
Starting point is 01:11:54 became an IPO yeah just last yeah and that apparently is not working out too well in their favor oh fuck everything are they getting sued too I don't know so here's how we save it in the game you have the quick buy share button right there that's disgusting while you play you can buy stock if you is there a follow-up is there a follow-up like questionnaire where you get to vote in the stock shit no that's your that's your prerogative your vote your vote is also how many stars you give the game in five stars let's promote him to see you and if you give it more stars they give you more fake candy crush money oh fucking.com I know they're the worst you know it's not the worst what that candy awesome new documentary about kudoraki yes oh yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:12:47 I saw some of that right yeah fucking touching we sat and watched that here that shit is powerful man it was moved like honestly it's about uh kudoraki and history of the playstation of course yeah basically from from right before right before the pitch to Nintendo to now like isn't modern or is it like a couple years later like oh nine yeah like pretty much because kudoraki hasn't done shit in five years so like they can end it anywhere around that's true but but but it covers the the important bits of his life and his place honestly like it's a shame because it's like it's kind of uh like an indie darling in a way you know what I mean you can tell they didn't have the budget that they wanted it's not gonna get an oscar anywhere but I am super
Starting point is 01:13:36 impressed but I could see it I could see it at the golden globes okay maybe golden globes if if if the academy cared about games yeah you know just but like I agree with you but like the attention to detail really shines through in a lot of the scenes they really they really nailed uh yamaochi yamaochi they killed it on him they're there you see you're like damn he's got the shade he's back from the dead so this is uh uh kudoraki's way I think kudoraki's way is the name of the film yeah okay um you guys should definitely check that out if you get the chance if you're all interested in ken kudoraki like the man the myth the legend as they say uh but this is a more serious look in his life yeah it's it's there's there was some hard time it's a bit dry frankly there were some
Starting point is 01:14:20 hard times that you have like just a link to it right there's totally a link yes exactly so you want to check that out bring your tissues because it's a tear tear tissue um yeah I'd love to see more I want to see more of that of course for different people in the industry I want to see cernies I want to see uh shamus blackleys I want to see you all anew yeah I want to see all new philifish would be very interesting very interesting if we did we already got it really oh yeah we did all the indie movie yeah yeah that's true you're right remember my sister watched the indie movie and it's like I don't know who this phil guy is but he seems like a dick I don't like you got that from watching the movie I thought that was supposed to paint him in a favorable way guess what I thought
Starting point is 01:14:59 that was like the inside joke oh he's a straight dick joke on it you look around the right places here you can totally I swear if I ever see phil on the fucking street I'm gonna lie as much as I need to lie to get him into this room and then reach and then reach so we can talk many axes oh okay we just have a nice little bit yeah no I mean I've been in a room at like one of the um the local indie beat ups and he's been around and yeah okay but anyway um Polaris gate Polaris gate it's fucking confusing you're a pro that's all I read the article it's happening as we it's it's happening back and forth as we speak uh I'll give you the link so you can put in the description because this is a super super long article that went up today on indie static so what's Polaris
Starting point is 01:15:48 Polaris is a big uh network youtube company like machinima like machinima and I believe they just got bought by Disney yeah they're also yeah they're also involved with maker I think which is I'm not but it's it's it's mainly Polaris and they were gonna get together and make a reality show with a bunch of indie devs uh and some youtube people what was the original plan the original plan was to do a game jam which is basically get developers in a room you jazz are fun you you you have them make a game in a day yeah or at some amount of time they are fun Matt how could that possibly go wrong does it sound like a fucking amazing idea and so along the way like the the scope gets broadened and more money comes in all right let's turn this into like a four day
Starting point is 01:16:31 recording shoot for reality tv this is uh written by a guy over at indie static called uh Jared Rosen sorry you forgot to mention the original pitch was a game jam but they were gonna have let's players okay right yes I'm I it just happened and I I read the art so I'm gonna get some details wrong but I hope I get most of them right but if not check the article that we're gonna post by Jared Rosen over at indie static yeah that's pretty pretty chromium yeah so these guys were these guys were sold let's players and game jam we're gonna we're gonna do a lot of people the names that pop out to me immediately are John Tron was there yeah uh Zoe Quinn who made depression quest uh I remember in the article it mentions that the guy who made nidhog was
Starting point is 01:17:11 like one of the judges on one of the and so it goes to get the dick that should have been the fucking reality show and they they they basically next on get the dick it goes from someone got it it goes from pure game jam to like uh you know there's challenges and you know reality tv show and still fun and there's some troubles with contracts and indie people are sensitive and corporate people are not and that kind of smooths itself out until some douchebag from pepsi well because hold on wait comes in they weren't allowed to digitally uh some of the weird contract stuff was like you can't like digitally promote anything right like this and for indie people that's like how you promote your original people yeah and it's all sorts of weird stuff and it's like if you
Starting point is 01:18:02 breach the contract we could see you and then it mostly gets smoothed out right and you know everybody's fine begrudgingly uh but then uh some guy named matty from pepsi uh who's running the mountain dew side of the promotion comes in and it's basically just a huge dick he is a total suit he is sorry before you continue when you say kept saying the word indie yeah then you say mountain dew yes you think at that point someone would have said no well because the the escalation here was you go into the thing looking for the game jam right and then it's yeah it turns into reality tv show yeah but that's fine and then the and then the the uh the doritos uh no mountain dew mountain dew sorry then the mountain dew guys get involved and and very specifically a pepsi
Starting point is 01:18:46 slash mountain dew guy gets involved yeah and as this article paints him he sounds like a total suit this is the kind of person that goes up to people and says hey man when you're on camera can you not drink anything but water or mountain dew hey you know when you're drinking the mountain dew can you hold it like this of the logo is visible hey man you don't really smile as much as we need you to smile when you're drinking mountain dew on camera uh hey contestant could you hide your tattoos yeah hey other contestant can you remove your pins that may have other companies on right total suit ass suit yeah and this causes drama man and long story short like the the the end of it is that this dude is is trying to reality tv the shit out of these
Starting point is 01:19:39 people so what's the incident that went down uh there is uh supposedly or allegedly uh a minor dispute over the team that has john tron and uh zoe quinn on it and over the game that they're making and say we're gonna talk about this in the hallway and hash it out at which point cameras get all up in their face like right we need yeah yeah this is tv yeah we can fucking turn this we can we can turn this into a fucking fight and it can be the end of the episode thing and because of these reality tv contracts do you have to sign shit like you sign away the right against willful representation for the creation of drama and uh zoe quinn went through a bunch of shit because of depression quests and so they try and plant the anguish no no john
Starting point is 01:20:25 tron no get stop and to the point where both of them yeah the dude's in an office begging john tron to be a dick on our cause of fuss which falls apart give me something give me yeah give me something for this and then later goes on to do stuff like we some of the team there was a i forget her name but they're one of the team members is somebody used to work putting satellites into space okay and the dude goes up to her and asks her is like do you think your team has an advantage because you're a pretty girl and what if he asked the other team from naughty dog uh no no no no she's a green lou i do no and what if you ask the opposite team it asks all male teams like hey the other team has girls you think they're at a disadvantage and it's like these are all
Starting point is 01:21:08 super indie people these are youtube people that even if they're big they're indie and just what and they just trying to start shit and they all get in they all just well we know the reasons yeah they all get in gamer fuel for shit reasons they all get in they all talk to them do sponsorship has become so it's become a joke that it's become a fucking round into meta something was sponsored by mountain dew i would want to go oh really i don't let him just to see what would happen to me i'm like how do you not get up and run from the room when you see because to me it's like okay i expect a certain level okay yeah okay so you're just like i want to know where this goes hey there's been a mountain dew wants to sponsor this podcast let me take that man dude just pour it on my face
Starting point is 01:21:50 and smile smile get big but uh and so long story short and there's this article super long i really suggest everybody listening to this who cares read it because i'm i'm skipping details i'm getting slight things wrong but basically like everyone gets together and says wow this is bullshit everybody walks everybody walks and that shit's never gonna come out now and how much in the hole we talking like 400 grand burn gone like in the hole yeah so jared uh rosen puts up this article as he was part of it and he worked as as like a journalist or guy on the scene he was giving his account yeah and he gives this huge awesome article and like it's like any and he's like here's where every here's where each specific party went wrong this was like these people aren't
Starting point is 01:22:40 at fault it's like it's this big combination so i read that on twitter getting into the metro on the way over here when i got out of the metro that dude was fired okay and then when i got to when we went to get burritos yeah the dude was rehired again so by the time this podcast goes up tomorrow he could be dead he could be dead he could be the ceo of pepsi for whole you know but that's what a fucking mess and it's so weird because like everyone like a bunch of parties made mistakes but it's so rare that you could see a big big big thing and straight up say it was that guy like it was it was this person to me one of the worst parts of this is game jams are fun game jams are a blast and everyone i would have loved to watch this everyone i could almost guarantee
Starting point is 01:23:32 you without knowing a thing about this that everyone involved probably thought the same thing so kudos and just showed up for going game jams are fun yeah kudos to the the the production staff who apparently did all their job just fine kudos to all the developers kudos to all the youtube folks and not kudos to suits yeah see here's what i find interesting is that when you're can you yell at her while you drink this dude can you make this drama cry if you're if you're a regular everyday joe and you're going i'm going to be on big brother and you know that you're getting into a reality thing and there's 17 000 seasons of big brother right and you know what you're getting into you sign a thing but when you're like jon tron or like a like a code or a programmer and you're
Starting point is 01:24:18 told that this is going to be a game jam you're like okay i'm still on board this is going to be a thing that now there's going to be the lr like you can see now you're putting in you're doing your thing and then suddenly the sky's in your face you're you're doing the thing and you're in and you've signed the contract and now a dude's getting in your face then you don't know like i think the whole walkout thing is like that's only kind of natural at that point because you're like what the fuck is going on i'm just gonna fucking leave because i don't this wasn't what i would i signed and a parent it's a shame because without him being the dick that he was everything probably would have went right off fairly even even the evolution from games i'm into four-day reality
Starting point is 01:24:55 so thanks you really need to watch and i'm sure everyone there was kind of like yeah that's still it's still cool but it's five realities like uh and you know the guy you know and i'm not talking like we know maddie the guy but you know that you know the guy because we have all met him because that guy doesn't understand why the concept itself is interesting by default yeah and needs to spice it up with temptation island oh like to know no pants island yeah no pants island sure so that's my favorite thanks pepsi for ruining a cool thing and thanks bountain dew for sponsoring it well pepsi is mountain dew like anything with jam at the end is always fun or jam what a def jam strawberry strawberry jam is really what a what a fucking shit storm
Starting point is 01:25:44 leon can i get you another pepsi or perhaps a mountain dew yes you can man i need that to get me a mountain dew i need that to quench my thirst that was the sony one though i know that's where the narrative breaks down with the advert gaming dude the fucking mcdonald's oh it's the bad oh it's the bad i forgot about it so you got good news in there i got some good news for you hit me away how about that shit's depressing how about squaring x refocusing on jrpgs and corgan holy shit are you serious yes because they haven't done that in years are you serious i'm dead serious no this is serious for real matzuta the guy who took over for wada is basically he did an interview with uh nike and he sat down and said well we looked at the numbers
Starting point is 01:26:30 and we were surprised and uh we think that bravely default showed us something so bravely if you make a good game people who like the way the way the way that they looked at it and interpreted the data was um they were designing bravely default for a japanese audience and we're surprised to see that it was actually widely accepted globally outside of japan hey do you think bravely default would have been as successful in the west if like final fantasy wasn't garbage and then people kind of transferred over no of course not you know what i mean no like if it took final fantasy dying to make it so successful that's kind of what i meant because bravely defaults final fantasy and then and then he says uh conversely in 2013 and you know other times a focus on developing a game specifically
Starting point is 01:27:25 with a global interest in mind resulted in no one liking it yes so fucking i'm were we not all talking about this in 2005 or earlier when we met each other in college like i distinctly remember these discussions not you Liam you were baby you're dead you're dead what i didn't say dead like guess what if you're building a canoe don't listen everybody that comes by and tells you how to make your canoe make the canoe you want to make or it's gonna fucking sink so it took the longest it took the longest broken telephone to make its way up there but it finally made it well like eight nine ten years and he's basically saying we're relooking at things and we want to focus more on core games we want to refocus on jrpgs good uh in in case you guys don't follow sales um we
Starting point is 01:28:16 do not npd numbers uh for february uh bravely to bravely default outsold lightning returns no shit and as much as as much as that's like a no shit to us that's a surprising figure that final fantasy would get outsold by consider heating square enix rpg yeah no you're right my center like marketing budget on both games my brain goes no shit yeah but like or my heart actually goes no shit but my brain is actually kind of shocked because like the level of i don't want to say stature or knowledge or it means that tons of people like way more people knew about final fantasy than bravely default but most of most of them didn't care sorry whereas the people that knew about bravely default a bunch of those people actually cared did you mean american or japanese
Starting point is 01:29:05 or what north american only wow although i believe in japan bravely default outsold lightning returns as well i should think so just because 3ds and you know what they probably look at yeah the money chart on that and go fuck because one's a cheaply made or relatively cheaply made 3d 3ds game and the other's a fucking pseudo big budget which fucking console on the other hand is made by triace so sure you know it's like poor triace get them out of there and again like i said before though consider that marketing budget and then rub your eyes and look at it again guess what you can no matter how much money you put behind lightning returns the people that don't want it aren't gonna fucking want it man i i'm really interested to see how well the ff 10 and 10 to remastered sold
Starting point is 01:29:54 compared to like better than lightning returns i bought it no i bought it no shit yeah i'm i'm pretty much 100 sure when you look at the ntd numbers this month it will when you look at that data you have to come away with a conclusion like where we clearly did something back in the day that we're not doing now i gotta say though there's no other conclusion to jump bravely default got a really good push on nintendo direct sure yeah because nintendo published it yeah and nintendo gives a shit about the games made exclusively for them could they better as opposed to certain other first party yep that i will not name you name earlier do what this well you got you always blown away or the games that are not exclusive to nintendo that happen to be there anyway yeah
Starting point is 01:30:39 unfortunately it's great it's supposed to be kicking themselves are not publishing all by themselves they would have made made way more money made more money well they did it to mitigate risk maybe they should have had nintendo published lightning returns but there's your good news you could have made lightning a thwomp and it would have been a better game so numura is going to come out with uh 15 and numura is pretty good track record wise 15 is going to sell it so 15 is probably going to be pretty good and whatever they got the other guys we're going hopefully it'll be well not white just like the good old days but you know there's something by the time it comes out they're going to blast us with 60 minutes of excellent looking
Starting point is 01:31:18 footage over time yeah and there's going to be some hands on they're going to be like it's all fun it's not lightning yeah it's not 13 and everyone's going to be like it's not 13 yeah and then i can buy it like seven years ago and it's on ps4 and xbone and people want next gen games so let me see seven years ago i knew girls that were splooshing when they looked at the first trailer of final fantasy versus 13 you and i was splooshing and then when it was rebranded as final fantasy 15 they re-sploosh like it was a trickle yeah but then the the fucking torrent came back again like that that that sploosh is still there yeah people want to sploosh good good the fire hydrant became Niagara Falls it's no surprise the chick's like final fantasy like it's got a really really
Starting point is 01:32:04 good like like lady attachment rage or i don't know how to the fucking place it's a dry husk it needs the sploosh yeah yeah we need the fucking reanimate final fantasy don't like goku putting his hands up for the spirit bomb we need all the female final fantasy's hands to sploosh it back to life give me your power everyone even if you don't believe well anyway um i went too far in a few places it might have gone too far has pat gone too far yes game the answer is yes a summary of your life yeah uh there was one loud ass sonic boom breaking sploosh that was heard across the entire island of montreal and that was the sound of matt splooshing this week as jerry the predator was announced for call of duty okay so i'm gonna buy
Starting point is 01:32:57 call of duty but i that's fucking tweeted that to me and i'm looking at it's like you're way fuck off and you know this isn't real and you know what i gotta be real i gotta be real the after shocks were coming from my place yeah all right so a trailer went out yesterday showing it a bit more detail like showing the entire deal with the model and it shows with the model and the model looks fucking excellent that's a predator it looks like a predator but it's still i would say i assume it's the same thing as the last dlc where whoever gets the thing gets to be the special gets to be the special guy which is a little disappointing but also try just to see what you're gonna buy fucking ghosts just for that one mode you there's several things i know that you
Starting point is 01:33:42 would buy just that one thing you liked was in it yeah if we're not the fucking shut up we're not gonna front we're making videos we're making videos that's gonna be the shortest video i don't share we're doing it video yeah if if uh kirya kizama was announced for ghost you'd fucking buy it that's true come on maybe maybe the localize is fine if i do i don't get why they're doing this though because the michael mayer's thing that's not like there's a new movie there's not like there's a new predator movie all of duty does what it wants it just does it because it wants it i guess i but it's it's it's cool but it's also weird in a way it's like the developer just say we want predator we want michael mayer yes i think that's exactly what happened yeah i feel like the audience
Starting point is 01:34:29 they consistently target with the dlc um because we've kind of established that when they release call duty game 60 plus percent of their sales are the kids i feel like the the audience are targeting with the dlc is consistently the adults sure yeah consistently no kids know the fuck michael mayer's they think and they think he used to play austin power i barely know who michael mayer says i bet you they wanted xenomorphs too but legally couldn't yeah yeah so there's fox interacting i don't know i bet you wait fox owns predators it makes no sense no but i'm but we've got aliens licensed games so it's all sorts of weird sega owns well no sega doesn't sega only owns a second i have a surprise to that maybe i think for now yeah okay yeah yeah but that's a hell of a surprise
Starting point is 01:35:12 man yeah really cool for sure yeah and they shut off the little trailer and the sound effect i just wish it wasn't in fucking ghosts yeah any other one like i like you guys have like woolly i don't know if you even ever got in the call of duty nope matt i i tested uh three did you ever get a call i played the first model warfare i played a little bit of multi call of duty four call of duty four like i i got i went in and got out like a bunch of times on on several games and like everything i see of goats man this is the worst one you hear this is the worst one in a long time but apparently that those dlc packs are really cool yeah but the fucking maps are still garbage yeah no for sure we're gonna have to see though what that mode is it is a jungle it's not a concrete
Starting point is 01:35:58 jungle it's an actual jungle we're gonna have to see what that actual mode is though um and that reminds me by the way when you're talking about like the you one person gets to be the predator and you work your way up through killstreaks or whatever um that's one thing about titanfall that's really genius in that is that like it's a timer until you get your titan and everyone gets everyone gets a titan but if you're sick you get it first yeah they basically they condensed kill streaks into a kill streak that everyone would want right and so what you have is you have a system where all your fun extra modes where you're not a soldier guy yeah are not locked behind a kill streak that you might not get right um not to say that i like things becoming casualized i don't
Starting point is 01:36:38 want to put it in that frame but when you have fucking mechs in a game yeah you gotta have everybody enjoying the titanfall design decisions have like this really clear focus on let's try and bridge the gap between the 360 no scopers and your mom yeah let's make it so that not eliminate it let's try and squeeze the tears a little bit like i don't follow shooters a lot but i've read a lot about titanfall it's abundantly clear that it is it is definitely bridging the gap as much as it can making it easier for new people to get in everyone seems to be playing it there and it's got that whatchamagun that the smart gun the smart gun three headshots if you wait long enough exactly like but you guys still wait long yeah and guess what and guess what like after day two try using it you
Starting point is 01:37:24 get wrecked no of course there's a few guys that are like experts with it like the guys that play dan really well in tournament yeah but for the most part smart gun you still help if you're new do i wish the predator was announced for titanfall yes i do do i wish the predator was announced for that crazy wolfenstein game even sure do i wish the fucking predator was the fucking character instead of the crappy yes does matt wish predator was included in x yes like obviously yes like there's every other game ever you mean x the jrpg or x the math term i mean x the band song okay song predator stands for x like what the fuck yeah exactly uh yeah like you know it's it's i really i hate saying that yes the carrot you have dangled is enough for me to drop probably 160 dollars
Starting point is 01:38:17 that was no not 60 still curious carrot i will chew on this carrot i will nipple upon your carrot 60 it'll be 45 bucks for the game and 50 your dog leaves totally right it will be 60 hey i support the predators support the predators smart about it they're barely around these days they don't they don't maybe if we support it they'll add scorpion death god dlc well i was saying the scorpion death god has now been brought into next gen yeah i'm sure are you ready if your ghost video is the most popular ghost video on the internet they might do i doubt that you guys gotta get really hard you guys gotta try really hard though okay really hard we'll see what we can do get them 70 million views you know who's pretty hype and seven ohs me pretty hype uh zuckerberg
Starting point is 01:39:02 is hyped for oculus and vr future yeah man yeah we gotta talk about i'm not super happy about it but i think that backlash was maybe a little premature maybe here's the thing right i mean death threats yeah a little bit because that's i think the follow-up is what i want to talk about a bit more than the initial acquisition so oculus the company that made the rift yes uh is you know and is making the rift because it's still not out yes uh has been acquired by facebook yeah uh this was the most confusing fucking news of the week because everyone's like but we thought amazon buying double helix was weird even weirder because it's because it just kind of was like wait so really no one in video games was taking this seriously no and car mac was like well what what
Starting point is 01:39:50 what you know um zuckerberg pointed his finger and said i want that he said i wanted i don't think nobody in video games was taking it seriously i just like because evidently sony evidently yeah you're right you're right i mean like i just think nobody wanted to cough up that much money sure right you know but you know uh facebook went i believe facebook said i believe in the future of vr because my wallet yes and they then you know it has implications that are like totally um going to be they're happening in the future like it or not yeah and it's just like it's a gamble on the way it's gonna work and it's a gamble on what's gonna take off um yeah exactly it's kind of like hey this could really be the biggest thing ever let's buy it just in case it is so the follow-up
Starting point is 01:40:37 of course uh was negative backlash from a lot of people um some the most extreme examples of course being uh death threats people on the oculus team getting death threats not to just to them to their family members and and people are going like what the fuck they don't know anything about oculus like like john johnny programmer on the oculus rift goes i didn't sign the deal yeah no exactly and i was just my fault yeah so like a lot of people probably and certainly do have legitimate reasons to not be happy with facebook um but it's kind of nuts when it goes to that extreme level uh and how is this thing that nothing bad has happened yet it might not happen at all results and in fact nothing has happened my fault tangible guy who works in the mail room says yeah now um and the
Starting point is 01:41:29 interest now what i find is interesting is uh car max spoke up about yeah it sounds good right and he was basically just like the like what do you think about the the acquisition and and so on and so forth and he's like look i don't know anything about facebook i i have no idea um i sat down with zuckerberg and we had a meeting technology we had a meeting we talked about technology that's probably the nerdiest meeting of all time but probably still cool and ten days part of that conversation was like hey zuckerberg what you want to put facebook in the fucking space facebook yeah that's thinking and it can't breathe that's that's like that's what you could say is your status woolly likes this um no it was it was really weird and and he said
Starting point is 01:42:17 yeah that we talk tech for like a bit and ten days later facebook just bought the company yeah just like he's like okay sure um and oh yeah i forgot you can just do that when you want yeah yeah um and he said he also spoke about like in general he's like he's not a fan of companies that are built up specifically waiting to be acquired that sucks that's not the way you handle a business and that's not what Oculus is you know in his opinion this sort of happened this way um but it's totally bullshit that companies are doing that as a means of getting out there to be fair to everybody who freaked out like i think one of the worst quotes to come out of this was like facebook's looking at integrating vr into facebook's interface they're facing like are you fucking
Starting point is 01:43:03 serious like you bought it like it gives the impression you bought this ambitious vr company so that you can browse facebook and but like that was super just the facebook pr guy like but obviously cash in on wherever it goes but what i think it means is that like facebook has a lot of money guys they do they can probably push oculus pretty hard what's the last major acquisition we've heard of for facebook um what's that no instagram was a big one what i think they bought what's up as well yeah i don't know what these things they bought a lot of companies um just said instagram i don't know what it is though okay uh and so the and then he goes on to to say that like um uh when you look at a company like valve they were pushing the steams type of setup sorry i
Starting point is 01:43:52 just want a pin interest by platinum so far they're making like recipes and shit and they're super extreme and delicious yeah here's how you can save money here you can make a red hot cake or any of those yeah any of those items yeah exactly like oh i don't like a red hot cake oh sorry interrupt no karmak was saying that um when you look when you look at valve right you see that they were working on the prototype ideas for steam years in advance yep and everyone was shitting on them going you guys are out of your fucking mind yo when steam came out i fucking hated it yeah i play i played day the feat and i was furious when i had to move from the w on servers to the fucking steam servers for sure um everyone thought they were nuts basically and they they had
Starting point is 01:44:42 the vision they steam rolled forward with it oh and they got it done and now they are unquestionably the leaders in that space right um dude i think the last time i saw like a rough estimate is that steam and valve owned 70 ish percent of the entire pc market well that there was no pc platform and then one existed right yeah so um and karmak is like i really respect him for that vr is not like that at all no there will not be any sort of slow you guys are crazy conversion thing whatever no vr has to get like i put it on and like yes yeah so yeah no he says it's uh the term where the fuck what is it it's conversion upon experience like the moment you put them on you go oh oh my god this is this is it we're here remember remember uh when the ds light came out
Starting point is 01:45:42 and there were nintendo dudes and ladies in the fucking uh movie theater and you'd walk up it's like hey you want to play a ds light it's better yeah yeah and we played it we're like it's way better yeah it's way better lady get your tits out of the way i'm trying to play blanko two out of there two years from now we're gonna see that with oculus in the same spot in the same movie theater yeah i know i think i couldn't get them out of the way liam well sir let's say two of us vr's the 3ds was strapped to her chest the 3ds to the girl i couldn't do anything god damn it tell that to the judge nintendo stop strapping your hardware to hot chicks i thought it was the other way around it's weird it's weird stop strapping nintendo nintendo strapping girls
Starting point is 01:46:27 to heart yeah because what is the focal point of interest the 3ds clearly please don't do that get your estrogen off my 3ds um yeah so karmic all i play bayonetta karmic is like the experience of vr is obviously too powerful it makes conflicts on contact um so basically the and he says the involvement of titans is inevitable so the only questions are who how deeply they're who are they're gonna partner with and how deeply and with who so vr is gonna happen it's gonna make everybody like immediately sold on the is also really just gotta wait on it smart for facebook because do you guys remember myspace no yeah exactly facebook knows that facebook isn't gonna be fucking facebook forever so every time they see the new shit they're like hey you know
Starting point is 01:47:18 what we should do let's just buy it yeah maybe let's just buy it so that we'll always own the new shit yeah well that's that's how you stay relevant yeah i mean it's also important to note that oculus a few weeks ago was like hey we've run out of parts and we can't get new parts about that we can't meet exactly exactly now they have a fucking money yeah what what we thought was lose lose could be win-win but it's probably win-lose um my biggest spot of ire for this whole story though is is the entitlement bullshit where there's actually people on the internet who are like where's my cut of the two billion no see that it comes from people that don't know what kickstarter is but more than that it's like fuck like you should know the kickstarter is not an investment you are not a part owner
Starting point is 01:48:07 you are not a part omer it is is closer to a form of patronage and the kickstarter for oculus rift was only for that original version of oculus rift that came out for the second one these are the same people that are like what the fuck this mighty number nine looks like garbage give me my money back this is test footage right on the screen yeah those are the types of people that complain about no like but there's a fucking ton for this no they're just loud yeah maybe so maybe so it's hard to differentiate on anonymous image boards they should like if we were out in a crowded place and i was mad about something you'd probably think there were more people that were mad about you're right exactly i was gonna say for mighty number nine they should have just made an alternate
Starting point is 01:48:47 trailer that's just yeah i found a tunie in matt's couch there you go give it to matt nice no what's a tunie are american viewers wow what a hero stealing hey i fucking found it in my house everything in here i own it probably fell out of my pants we'll see yeah i bet anyway it's a tunie it is it's two dollars you can count good job you can buy a mountain dew with that yeah i could all in one dew platform delicious delicious mountain dew um did you know if you want that in doritos you can make energy cereal we call it the keely oh man that reminds me i tried it once it was the worst right up by jared about the fucking uh the the game jam thing was that one of the prize the prizes was a dew pack and no one knew or ever figured out what it feels like that
Starting point is 01:49:48 feels like your prizes are this or whatever's in this mystery box the box the box uh i was gonna say like if you had a second trailer for mighty number nine that was just face cam of in a food oh that would have been what those people needed to see um but yeah for oculus like let's let's give him a minute like literally a minute but a minute is in in company terms it's like a year and a half but i mean like let's wait and see what fucking happens there'll be plenty of time to bitch later when they fuck up exactly if and when they fuck up yeah they're allowed to not turn a profit for the next two fiscal years then we'll see what's up i suppose maybe like five depends and i mean let's be real like facebook wouldn't have bought them if they hadn't had the kickstarter succeed anyway
Starting point is 01:50:38 true sir like also they wouldn't have bought them if they didn't probably fanatically believe in the idea yeah exactly and like you don't you don't spend two billion dollars out of less fields to make your your fucking social media platform because because what's up and uh instagram are all within social we don't we don't know that for sure zuckerberg may just be insane you know what there's every chance he's clinically insane because we just talked about how they're like hey what's this new thing could it be bigger than i just buy it they could not have any faith in the idea they just wanted to own it as long as you could go either it's well possible we've seen the social network we know hey if it fails and we own it oh well if it fails and we don't own it
Starting point is 01:51:23 fuck good if it doesn't fail and we don't own it yeah yeah shit yeah well yeah morpheus is still there the morpheus is still there they'll be i bet there's gonna be a lot of these headsets once they catch on well do you see that thing about microsoft bought like 150 million dollars worth of ar stuff i did see that sony announced their vr thing yeah man you gotta get your your move ar we've you gotta get your ps move hey look we got a thing like for it to happen so immediately after sony's announcement like whoops uh buy what do we got ar is that like to buy it google glass what are you guys doing nothing no get out of my face microsoft yeah those fucking screwgled ads were the line it sucks oh those were terrible the only thing is is if this turns out to like
Starting point is 01:52:13 basically be hey look oculus rift now does not equal video games like as long as it runs on a pc it'll you know it'll work anything that no but pc will always equal video games yeah sure but i mean if the video game wants it to yeah and i hope that it continues to be that way because what the fuck it would suck if it didn't yeah you know um yeah and i look forward to my crippling migraines as a result of the vr revolution because you're never gonna jack out no i just assume the instant that i put like an oculus or a morpheus on my head i will immediately have a virtual boy level migraine but you'll take the burn because that's this is what you've been waiting for no you don't take migraine burn i know i know you just you just sit there and die trust me i'm well i'll buy
Starting point is 01:53:07 you an ivy so you never have to leave yay but he needs a catheter just like sword art just like sword art exactly and fuck me right there's always a character like even in the south park episode of world of warcraft there's always the one you know what is it such a cool fantasy to not do anything and waste away in real life with a vr headset on your head no no ignore that world is what i mean anyway uh capcom announces that they've reduced their profit expectations by half yes so the quote is that capcom says we're proud to announce that our profit expectations of 6.8 billion yen have now been reduced to 3.3 billion for them this is accurate to our current reality as opposed to others oh man that's such a good way to phrase it right oh reality caught up
Starting point is 01:54:01 with us zuda rapid changes in restructuring we're building a sound base for earnings in the future fortunately the losses were just the mobile divisions and monster hunter frontier so they didn't matter so the more important core profits remain unaffected but let's all remember that all the money they made off or a relatively huge proportion of the money they made off monster hunter four went straight into the two products you just mentioned it's important to know that monster hunter frontier is the shit one that's super super super no no it is on every platform and pc and it's shit and it's region locked to hell and it's not good but don't worry about hitbox is the size of cities but as we all know in in traditional business that the money you lose in the mobile
Starting point is 01:54:47 development is not as important as the money you lose in the games because that money smells funny when you lose the poor money it's worth more if it's from the truly smooth millions of yen that you literally put out a press release less than six months ago saying that you were going to invest into that exact thing yeah that's a loss i wonder if they actually like within that period of time put any product out because like that would be my my wonder there but like these actually come like straight up because if not they're gonna last two press releases that had the word fucking monster hunter in them hey monster hunter four did really well let's put this money in a mobile hey mobile fucking kicked our ass we lost tons of money like fucking good job cap well what i mean
Starting point is 01:55:29 is if they haven't put the products out yet then it's just like some shit going down sure but you know i still wish they didn't do i feel like the main cat if you could say that there's a main catcom executive like a guy that's always right around the cap call with the oh no he's got like a black briefcase right and he's always drinking mr cap the calm and he's going around going on i have to do some business oh it's just going on mobile business business he's having lunches and he's walking around everyone sees him and then someone he leaves his briefcase for a second someone opens it up and there's just shredded newspaper i feel like that's how calcom is run right now i think you're right yeah there's a big black dildo in there well i don't know this might explain newspaper
Starting point is 01:56:08 as we segue into fighting games this might explain uh ono's new announcement oh ono says we are not against removing de capre from ultra street fighter wait do you mean just straight up removing the character no she don't have no sense look they're the game's still being rebalanced combo fiend hasn't said anything yet but the game is being rebalanced still and they're not against completely removing the character so this is so it'll all be for nothing no this is kind of like what you don't like de capre well you don't have to have a fifth character if you don't want to think calcom is leaving the door open or closed i guess in this case well everyone has to like de capre yeah we don't get her that's everyone give de capre your energy this is a brilliant move
Starting point is 01:56:51 i think they know exactly what they're doing yeah this type of announcement i think now we like i think they're being huge asshole trolls that's what i think they're doing hey man we are not against taking out ken well they want to see the ground swall around de capre yeah i know they mindshare is not good enough she'll be in the digital locker forever using our synergy opportunities i'm impressed thank you i'm proud of you liam you you worked all of them in there you worked them in there you didn't say engagement you didn't say mindshare he did he didn't say mindshare he didn't he did engagement is a really gross engagement it's the worst engagement rate can't be measured until she's released you didn't say uh you didn't say the word
Starting point is 01:57:32 monetization you didn't say the word whale because you just buy ultra yeah no but if there's no but if you're truly if we're sticking if we're sticking with the hotspot originals he got all foreign yeah no that's right um and finally the character and finally in other news uh in miscellaneous misk misk in that box my fucking my fucking announcement of the week personally is you're pregnant yay it's better for drinking that me yeah um and i'm expecting on december 28th 2015 you know what comes out that date your baby episode seven star wars yay maybe not a reason to care i don't know that will only that will only cast unknowns jay brim's brilliantly i like this only be casting unknowns or rather he didn't announce this this was someone working
Starting point is 01:58:23 with him on the inside but basically said his plan is to only cast unknowns for them that's great i've been saying this because years any knowns will make us all mad yes i like madly portman i didn't want to see her there yeah you're right you're right madly portman didn't really have that much no but i just i don't want to see stars there i did like it makes because the original star wars he became stars wasn't even a thing yet he had american graffiti and that was it harrison ford wasn't even supposed to be in the movie he showed up to like fix some lights or some things from our camel yeah you don't know about that Harrison Ford got pulled on set as like some like uh production guy and they were like whoa that guy's hot let's let's have him audition
Starting point is 01:59:07 any audition they're like well i'll give it to this guy he's hot yeah so you know it's totally uh the winning move when you need to like pick up from the ashes yeah you know because star wars continued afterwards with those and those movies really the clone wars things and stuff the clone wars show was good well wait because there's multiple clone wars things the good clone wars show was good because now it's all confusing wait the cg one or the hand there are three things named clone wars the flash there's the one that was made by the power pop girls and samurai jack there was the movie that was 3d and then there was the tv show afterwards that was also i went to the premiere of that movie with a bunch of other star wars nerds and it was one of the worst movies
Starting point is 01:59:53 i ever saw you know like isoka what's wrong with us oh my god isoka what are you saying isoka it's that's it's a bad thing when she was the best part of the movie that's no she's no i don't mean ask i mean isoka the rest of the day to save a fucking baby fucking job of the are you she was the worst part anyway they just saved a baby job of the hut remember in the hand animated one when they made like retroactively fixed general greaves his character yes remember that gif of this clone trooper just wrecking shit yeah that made me like first person shooters for a minute there just guns throw it away guns throw it away guns are you so good ah anyway that being said well like you know it's a cool move but like i don't want big stars but i wouldn't like a person
Starting point is 02:00:44 here then oh he's done that that's good i'd like having that point of reference i don't even like that jackson i like no i like fresh people that have talent dude but if i say you want to see this action movie okay it's by the maker of the raid then you go oh okay i just mean i know what you mean but i rather the raid where you go in and go i don't know anything about anyone with anything reading these subtitles and i fucking walk out with my mind blown sure but i much more much point of reference that yeah that guys are some people like lightning that was insane to him what else is going on in movie news matt um everyone saw i believe that we all saw the new ninja turtle trailer i didn't the internet agrees though it was spectacular
Starting point is 02:01:32 i'm hearing it was pretty good a tour de force really i'm hearing that everyone really positively when i saw it i said wow i don't need the old ones the pie just need this i i i said you know tmnt won the the one in 1989 it's all right secret of the secret of the snooze right so i mean megan fox really showed her acting chops as april o'neill also that one guy from the start of uh the bank heist of dart tonight who is shredder just oh the acting mate oh wait is it is it the the guy that works at the bank yeah the guy with the shotgun you don't know who you're messing with yeah the guy that's not asian yeah he plays a great shredder oh wow that's pretty awesome okay and i this is grab me worthy oh shit shit they got me and i i was i was actually like really worried
Starting point is 02:02:22 because like they're going to cg right and i was i was really worried like the puppets not the puppets but the suits like they really look good but they totally won me over with the cg especially michael angelo yeah his eyes look fucking great great awesome played with grapes also said he thinks it looks fantastic and he totally did not vomit when he saw them yeah great that was doing his many guns in the air yeah yeah and celebration that is that's great news i was worried but i'm i'm reassured uh there's a like it was trailer week i i passed it to you but i'm maybe to you too but the new trailer for edge of tomorrow oh yeah that looks fucking really sick actually yeah aka all you need is kill that that fuck the Beatles i have to get tickets to that that's
Starting point is 02:03:08 that premieres the day before i go to japan oh and if i go to japan without seeing it all two weeks i'm gonna be like i wonder if in japan it will be called all you need of course i will oh that's a good question it's just japan loves the fuck out of tom cruise that's why tom cruise has all i did and loves tom cruise yeah interesting last samurai was fucking spruce city over there from all ages the old spruce yeah uh mount fuji was like yo i can't keep up tsunami oh jeez but the x-men x-men days of the future passed the second trailer i kind of didn't like it as much i'm not sure about the sentinel designs i didn't watch it it was kind of i love the first teaser the teaser was like oh shit there's a shit series shit's going down
Starting point is 02:03:53 but the second trailer i'm like there's something off it feels weird i couldn't put my thing how's the dink did they show him off they showed the dink the dink only has a couple of lines but he comes in and i'm still like i'm pretty high for the victim because he's hype okay and that he's like you know a good actor but like the character he plays is trash yeah design the sentinels who we all know from the cartoon because he was always running around the cartoon going i can't put this fucking brain into this computer right shouldn't be such a cool name considering it's just like he's racist too he's racist against mutants it's all these trailers and i'd made a post about the facebook but the hercules trailer i had a little fun with that i thought it was kind of neat is that
Starting point is 02:04:36 a wwe movie you know the rock has stopped the dwayne johnson is now an actor i don't like about the hercules trailer and it is dwayne johnson yeah okay no i was confused i saw the poster and i was like oh it's a wwe movie but no the only thing that bothered me about the hercules trailer is that they like they had there's the least tension ever of that lion fight because they show a shot of him like a lion jumping at him and like then they cut to a shot of him wearing the lion's hat and you're like i hope it's like that in the movie okay trailer companies are the worst we've known this for a while they don't care because the type of person who would get upset by the spoiler will go see it anyway damn it well i guess type of person who will not might not one of hercules's hercules's
Starting point is 02:05:24 i don't know one of his feats was killing the lion so he's always affected with a lion man so if you know anything about the character you should kind of know that but either way he kills a high judge you know that yeah no way but no totally though trailers is the movie gonna end with hercules his wife poisoning the shit out of him after he accidentally blows some kids head off of the rock i thought you'd say with a shotgun no he throws like a rock down a hill at some point it blows a kid's head off finally the hero we need kevin sorbo didn't do that yeah he did i don't care what people say kevin's shut up about the rainy verse okay yeah i know people i know people have a like a fondness of it but it's terrible all of it was bad hey the only good thing was bruce campbell
Starting point is 02:06:12 as uh uh he played a god who did aries the guy you don't not play aries i don't know aries had the most specific facial hair ever are you just gonna completely ignore drive are you just gonna completely ignore it sorry young hercules oh my god i didn't know what you were doing there yes young hercules was played by ryan gossley yes back on y tv that's also part of the rain oh my god that was so terrible oh that was ryan gosseling man that ever saw the zina where it was in the modern day and there were all people waiting in a waiting room yeah well wasn't that the first crossover ever zeno uh was up there zina excerpt you i'm pretty sure it was the first one they couldn't bone because they destroy the earth yeah it's tough did you guys ever see hercules and zina that was a weird
Starting point is 02:07:02 movie i had that game no it was an animated movie no but every game though there's a game that goes fighting game what yeah yeah there's a zina fighting game no hercules and zina based on yeah yeah yeah once the sim bad game gonna come out yo when sim bad yo when sim bad really no sim bad is coming up after we take a word from our sponsors yo if you guys lived back in the ages of the red coats and the blue coats i wouldn't have a toilet and the founding of america and all that good there's no toilets back then in the history books it just said the ages of the people that wore red coats and yes the founding of the founding of america yeah i'm interested when you have the balls the co honus to to pretend to be british no because
Starting point is 02:07:58 i didn't have a toilet that he's got better things so you just straight up be like i'm fighting for my toilet no it would be all scratched off with the hay that you need because of the toilet oh then you look at the hay you're like what's this assassin doing here well that's yo that assassin is probably helping the culper ring turn the tide of the war because back in the day we all know that the culper ring helped george washington in that minor disagreement yeah there's a very small slight little you know arguments really you know between the avalanche and america and stuff and there's a now there's a show about it on amc called turn turn in specific it's got the agents that are the first spies the first spy ring in america going undercover doing all that espionage
Starting point is 02:08:51 and shit clandestine now what i think with accents you want to turn your you got to turn your old timey american accent into old timey british that shit's tough actors can't do that correctly today we can't yeah we can do it for like three seconds so wait so these dudes in turn my i think they're better than that shut up you australians they've got to go method to their method they have to play i'm a method actor pretending to be a method actor under the threat of death yes exactly the only way they can make it that far it's the only way freedom will survive turn his airing april 6th at nine eight central on amc amc is a good network tune in for all your crazy old red coat blue coat spy shenanigans and if you're british you can watch us too just don't take it so hard you guys were
Starting point is 02:09:42 dicks back in the day yeah yo what if you walked up in there with a purple coat what happened what happened what happened anarchy is what yo purple rain starts to play yeah it's rain yeah it's rain from mortal calm that would be so confusing yeah he'd be like hey guys and everyone's like no look like a red guy in me a red coat and a blue coat are all really pissed and they're having this epic stare down then purple coat just walks in hey what's happening he walks right out of the other side of america like no he's done enough of music plays it's perfect so guys tune in to turn on amc on april 6th and thank you amc for sponsoring the best friendcast thanks a lot i have to thank you this letter time has been interrupted by some breaking news breaking news breaking news breaking
Starting point is 02:10:38 i like how i did that last week because we're giving me dirty looks but now it's cool breaking news our correspondent over in japan liam can update us on the latest happenings over at capcom liam what's going on hey you want to vote on depressing mega man games well now you can yeah calm is apparently opening a poll so you can vote on which mega man game gets released on the 3ds virtual console sooner does mega man 2 3 4 5 extreme or extreme 2 woolly what order would you put those in 2 3 4 5 extreme and extreme 2 ah pat it's same order there's no other choice what what would you like why would you entertain another order i could see someone saying 3 2 4 5 extreme extreme yes right there's no occasional like like i wouldn't be upset by that that's the only order that is
Starting point is 02:11:32 that's gonna be the one watch extreme win because it has zero in it everyone doesn't know and they're just like zero why is extreme one better than extreme two would know woolly would know no actually so then why the why is your opinion because it why is extreme two even in it extreme is just a weird not x game but sort of x the only important thing is the two comes out first and three comes out second and then i don't give a shit or whatever because because there's the occasional people that are like no threes better than two because they played three first i know a couple a couple of those guys those people are not they're kind of weird they're kind of subhuman but you know what hey three is a great game so fine that music fucking killer but really two two and then three
Starting point is 02:12:16 and then three and then do whatever the fuck you want yeah and then get out of my face but probably four five six extreme extreme three has a better box start than two oh that's a compelling argument for that's true box it's true it's compelling argument for the virtual console good thing i'll never have to look at it ever what are boxes games don't come in boxes they come out of a digital store now no they come out of the locker um since we're talking about the virtual console which happens once every 34 episodes um what do you guys think of the gameboy advance virtual console coming out in what three days what's on us that looks sick because they launch golden sun in advance that's a good lineup um fusion that's a good lineup sorry is that what i want to
Starting point is 02:13:01 is this for you for you wow fucking finally yeah superstar sagas confirmed to be coming the australian's ratings board rated castlevania area of sorrow which is so high because it's like one of my favorites gba has is the handheld with the most games that i wanted to play not on a hand i don't really don't want to sound like a dumb no for sure but you know my record but it's like do all the games that i got on the gba on for ambassadorship for the 3ds transfer over to the we you then i don't care that that gba and the ones that you don't play yes the ones that i don't play congratulations you've just made that announcement even more sour because it's not zero one zero two zero three zx and zx add oh shit yeah fuck that's retarded zx and zx adventure on
Starting point is 02:13:51 the ds also uh woolly you're right woolly zero one two three capcom supporting the virtual console on the we you and the 3ds so hard i'd be surprised if they never come to it woolly also all the instruction booklets are reprinted as software metroid fusion when you download you get the entire they scan them all in that's really good yeah i like that because that's when instruction booklets were awesome and matt you're right i don't play those games and i don't care and i'm routinely shocked at nintendo's ability to make me care less but hey when pinnaby wings of adventure comes out you're gonna download that one that's a pat favorite don't eat on to the next topic well just now my brain is racing because gba was like that was another astro boy huge console
Starting point is 02:14:35 astro boy the lost vikings asks you want to play pocky with becky yeah there's stuff there uh legend of kage too well we can ignore that one forever and ever but yeah man gba that's that's a fucking gold mine of i can't wait for years of you wanting a game to come out and it not coming out yeah or it coming out for the platform you don't want it to come out i'll continue to be excited for mother three to get announced wow now that the gba is back mother three's coming liam you're young so you have several more years of this foolish hope no i've already played this shit out on earthbound came out so yeah earthbound came out i know you said that would happen it's letter time it's letter time it's letter time sorry for the news
Starting point is 02:15:24 pro opting your letters let's read some letters if you want to complain about mother three not coming out you can please don't send it here i don't know how the reception was i just know i i played it i hear nothing but great things about it hey man it lives up to the name is what i want to send it's got these saddest 16 bit thing i've ever seen right it's so fucking sad you guys wanted to send us an email tears he said it's super best friendcast at gmail.com where should those complaints go i know no no just the it's super best friendcast at gmail.com yeah and then we'll we'll sort through the complaints and read by questions matt ask me where the complaints go where the complaints go though they go to twitter.com slash patrick i don't know what your
Starting point is 02:16:18 fucking thing is angriest pat at twitter.com none of those actually that's fine please don't angriest pat at twitter takes your complaints please make me popular that you're super jealous man that was so bad i went on and like within the i i plugged our twitter's with the fucking official twitter pat took the official 2vf account and made it his own yeah and made a new account for 2vf yeah and then was super bitter that it had less followers than i did yeah i i i talked to lima on facebook ironically not through twitter i was like i'm super mad you have like 80 more followers than i have what a hero i beat you now though i'm sure yeah congrats on stealing with 2vf i i stole i made that i can steal a deck if i want i know and don't know why you named it that
Starting point is 02:17:12 because then you would have ever had this problem you're totally right that was dumb i don't know how twitter works i'm working on it how many facebook followers you got though i don't it's like under 60 zack has roasted oh you have no followers hashtag game changer yeah what are the letters this week we're gonna start out with one coming in from fred hey fred hey i love your music mr durst fred uh really makes me feel fred wants to know um what tim he heard us talking about tim rogers when i mentioned it before what tim rogers review is your favorite and most memorable oh my god by far well first of all have you guys read any tim rogers reviews that come to mind tim rogers the fucking hunter s thompton hunter s thompson of the game that's quite a pedigree
Starting point is 02:18:03 except but in the most ironic bullshit way because he's the worst hipster ass writer ever it's amazing the best it goes full circle it's so bad it's good um if you can track it down i don't know i imagine it's still up but just google tim rogers catamari damacy uh but whatever but the he's all over the place but you specifically need the one from insert credit uh you wrote a catamari damacy review on insert credit it's this long ass thing these two long pages where he's just going on and on about longer than two no it's just these it's this two it's two pages that just keep going oh yeah they're not they're not like paragraphs and fucking and like you fucking you have him talking about if you come to his house you can stay in japan and you can just you here's things
Starting point is 02:18:48 that you'll experience in our house and by the way you might happen to see catamari and then he just casually starts mentioning the game but not really and then he's fucking rambling all over it's amazing it's it's a master it's kafka-esque it's fucking it's an andy warhol piece in the worst way and it wraps around it's great oh my god and then at the end he goes i hated the music but here's a playlist i would have used and he makes sure to use all these bands that you've never heard of in the most hipster ass way except for mcebel maddo you keep going back to music because that's the only reference you have i like muses i think they're super cool but it's dude the catamari damacy muse is that that dumb music will he listens to that's the one oh you know the one he would always
Starting point is 02:19:29 always always always make us pick when we played rock band yeah but you enjoyed it yeah you still made me do it though you like to stare at i don't like enjoying this dark people make me do it i wanted to choose it myself shane shane says man uh hey guys long time listener first time uh writer in her um i was wondering if pat would be willing to say something for my ringtone because i want the hypest ringtone known to me oh yeah sure that works i'll do that well depends on what the fuck it is okay in your best tour guide nixon voice say your phone's ringing check to see if it's the devil okay your phone is ringing check to see if it's the devil that was really good not bad that was really good there you go shane no problem you're gonna figure out i will never do that again
Starting point is 02:20:21 ever yeah you kind of made a bad precedent a lot so please please that that goes double for all of us yeah you ever said shane you were smart you got in you're the one guy yeah but everyone else can use that one just enjoy it jesse asks uh what trailers blew your mind as a child as a child what yeah game trailers that blew your mind as a child game trailer how old do we have to be movies before we stop being children you know i'm gonna well that's the thing is because i have one and it's it's like okay the specific one he writes is um uh if you could go back in time to your short pants jr. yourself because pick a trailer from a video game um what would it be because when i was a kid there weren't no james i know my first one i know my first one okay
Starting point is 02:21:18 occurring of time the will of thou will thou suck or will it have that epic fucking like coden like music or whatever yeah and i remember watching that in a quick time yes window and my high school and i was freaking out oh my god and up until then i kind of didn't even know that the game existed i'd seen the screenshots of the 64 dd version and that's the last time i'd seen it so when i saw that trailer it blew my mind uh for me it was not when i was a short pants but i was a medium pants uh probably i guess what 2002 you know whatever many years ago um there was that japanese live action commercial for akuma joe devur me kraitsu yeah with the fucking dante that breaks through the glass window and just goes nuts and does a rainstorm and does air gun combos
Starting point is 02:22:07 on nothing uh and then lands down and it's super good i i don't remember the exact year came out i think was 2000 but i remember jumping through some stupid ass hoops and i remember game spot that year had like this god awful fucking uh like app that would go on your desktop so you could look videos it was fucking terrible but i took the time on 56k to download a fucking 3 320 by 240 version of the sons of liberty e3 reveal trailer oh and it blew my fucking mind apart back when we back when the good song was there and then i was before we knew what and then like i remember the the lead up to the wait because opm kept saying yo and our next issue we're gonna have the fucking trailer on a disc so you can watch on tv i was losing my shit and then fuck so good i'm so sad
Starting point is 02:23:03 that song turned out to be like a rip off that kojima was embarrassed to you can't remove it from my brain because it's such a good song yeah uh for me i guess it would be smash bros melee oh yeah all right smash melee that was really that was fucking awesome dude uh i lost my shit over that one yeah also because i got a full motion videos for nintendo games it was a new thing yeah exactly uh another one around that time period that i also like went nuts over because i love the series was castlevania circle of the moon because i didn't have an n64 so castlevania to me fell off the map it completely fell off the map and i was like oh fuck it's dead which it is now um and when i saw circle of the moon i was just like oh my god i love this game and now it's an rpg two holy
Starting point is 02:23:50 shit because i didn't have a ps1 either i had a genesis in an nes problem in a gameboy um any game gear yeah is there a second one that i can say no when did delma cry 3 come out oh my god well that doesn't yeah yeah and fuck that's fine that totally counts because i was in high school just playing the fucking song because then taking it over i saw the original dmc that was that was fucking game trailers trailer of the year for 2004 oh my god i remember that last part of the trailer where it's going through each move and you're seeing the screen transitions break into blocks uh and not only is the trailer godlike but it's like they fixed it yeah they fixed it twilight princess fucking blew my mind yeah that initially three trailers we're we're rapidly
Starting point is 02:24:37 catching we're we're catching yeah to the current area i know i know i know fucking phantom pain trailer like phantom pain trailer i remember that when i was a kid i i don't remember if i no stop i was joking no but phantom pain made me feel like the the the fucking e3 2000 trailer i come back that nine minute phantom pain trailer is the best trailer in a long time yeah well i don't know if you remember when we were at work when that drops yeah and stopped working it was like shut down everything put my headphones on everyone go away full screen on my eyes have like i'm putting my hands up as blinders like a horse to see nothing you know it's like i'm looking at you and you're got your headphones on and there's people on fire your bosses screaming after you
Starting point is 02:25:24 behind you but there's complete silence and you're just like you know when matt and i already three because of the the shit hotel internet we couldn't get to see it really like we saw the the short version kind of and so we kept hearing it in the background as we're walking around the floor and then we we we you know waltz out right in front of the konami thing and it's this giant tv is oh i'm just we're just gonna stand here for a little bit and watch it and i don't remember what the fuck you did you you went off to go do something and i stuck around a little bit longer because i want to see it from the beginning and i noticed that when the trailer would end everyone would start to move and the instant that the trailer started to come back on like all the foot
Starting point is 02:26:07 traffic within the vision cone of the tv would start to slow down and stop and everyone would just look at it like kajima's trailer skills are better than his game making skills where's the kill man it was such a not disappointing oh i know because you know when you see a game that looks amazing and the trailer just kind of like all right like fuck this trailer did not let down um the sons of liberty trailer you say that and i'm totally thinking you know what's exactly like that trailer in pacing and in everything the fucking zone of the enders to trailer you know why right because it was made by kajima like a year later yes exactly it is identical in almost every way high speed robot action just as great on a moosh of three trailer on yeah well inch slash
Starting point is 02:26:52 that's almost cheating that's cheating it's just the awesome intro because that's like a sick graph like yeah yeah you want to win the cg fight yeah gotta level up our guys from fucking doing mocap horses what do we do well here's genre now there you go um brian says hey guys uh hey brian just wanted to know uh what you would choose if you could choose anybody to have a guest on the show a dream guest so well first off i kind of just wanted to bring it out there because we haven't had a guest in a while yeah um after we had the guests uh that we did last time didn't get a ton of great feedback from that so i've been kind of not setting that up as much we gotta do that that's that skype recording stuff that slow beef talks yeah that was an awesome for making it a clear
Starting point is 02:27:38 conversation as well really good um but like in general you know we can probably have people on under certain circumstances i think a dream guest if we can work well with them you know sure um dream guest i don't want to say someone's huge from the industry i want to say hit a gacky but it says but then that we gotta have him in the room no but the problem is that i feel like that just turns into like uh interview with the big guy i want i'd like a chill out type of thing well then the obvious choice is max oh well i was max or like jon tron i'd love to just have them sit here on that extra couch my ultimate dream and steal our job my ultimate dream guest would be james james ralph obviously james would be great too james ralph would be awesome but yeah no basically
Starting point is 02:28:24 another youtuber that's right up there and totally understands what the deal is and can talk games with us and shoot the shit now if you had to pick a game person although matt used to have a big industry person yeah who's your dream i'm kind of thinking i'm kind of thinking yeah me too because this is a finicky question but can i get wada in here it has to be live though right not like well well if it's a dream yeah then they're sitting in that couch they're sitting right there please i i was just kind of thinking of like stuff we've been hyped about recently and towards the future and like i know it's like yeah a big huge person but the types of things that he makes i'd really like to like sort of pick the brain of guillermo del toro that'd be fun that'd be fun because like yeah you know
Starting point is 02:29:05 you should just go nuts on you know specific word versus godzilla happening exactly tell me now but but again though the only problem is is that then you lose the sort of like just hanging out by it you know if i had to pick a dream remember a hanging out guy i might pick spooky oh yeah well i'd all be so starstruck but he's spooky now but like like he's spooky is a really chill guy to hang out with because when he's come up for monthly alternates like back when we were running events like you'd catch up with us and like i'd be really terrified because there's like 80 phrases that he can say that matt and i will just lose our shit okay um resolution everywhere no man spooky spookies is a totally chill guy and like he's got great stories you know who i would
Starting point is 02:29:48 love to have on this podcast stamper and then you just be asking him to be a parrot dance for us dance no we don't care what you have to say do the voice i want to see if stamper is stamper all the time yeah because that's like a life i don't know how a human can we get benny on the podcast yes yes liam's right get benny on the get will he out have benny be the emcee for the podcast he can learn how to run the mic yeah no he can he can do a lot of things he can do a lot of things he can do backflips and shit i i support will he out benny in benny always beats me in the staring contest we argue he's really good we although we fucking cheat see cheats like shit yeah that staring contest is bullshit rigged the dog fucking blinks but it's but it never goes
Starting point is 02:30:35 up you need a link to that you need a link to that little final staring contest with benny can't be hard to find just benny staring contest on max's channel there you go uh maxima you'll never win same channel i always forget miles miles uh nine twenty three that's right uh we got one coming in from chris and tansy uh they wrote at the side bat super proposal hey super best friends my team and i have cleared up our schedules for spring to summer and before work kicks off again we've narrowed our gdds down to three possible game projects to work on oh this is a lot of pressure which of these do you want to see the most one don't take this as as our as law this is just our input what yeah i don't because if we pick one it sucks then i'm like oh it wasn't my fault i'm
Starting point is 02:31:19 assuming they wrote this knowing well that this is just a random fucking i hope so uh one virtual on plus gurin lagann bullet points are first one bullet points are multiplayer multiple mechs and virtual on type engine yeah that's pretty solid second one is squad based plus attack on titan single player seamless squad commands based on star wars republic commando yes inspired by raid on the air tank shelter you are nothing without your squad your squad is your weapon that's pretty good three dark souls plus adaptive ai single player game logs your strengths weaknesses favorite weapon reactions assessment and so on so the left or dead director plus dark souls and then by the time you make it to the boss the boss reviews your fact sheet and plays
Starting point is 02:32:08 against you based on it um for example no normal patterns uh and has if you use ranged bow attacks it'll rush you in for close combat if you run it with a sway hinder it tends to zone you out does it um say anything about their team size or anything uh doesn't say what their team size is but those are the three projects because the third one is is substantially harder to make good you're right gameplays you as much as you play i i think i think the first one is the one you should go for unless your team is huge yeah the first one is by far the most realistic one and also can totally be the most hype one easily if your designs are good but then the first one has the hardest time balancing because you're now getting into combative oh for sure i'm assuming
Starting point is 02:32:54 that someone who knows what virtual on is kind of knows what they're doing uh whereas for whereas for the souls one like you need yeah you're right extremely fine line between frustration and difficulty and if you toe that on the wrong side nobody will ever want to play your game like unless it was like a roguelike and then you'd have just like a roguelike like that would have like a boss that would learn from you and then you're ready to see uh i gotta say maybe this is unexpected but the second one sounds the most appealing to me because i think of uh fucking freedom fighters with like spider-man controls and i like pants are the only reason i'm not voting on the second one is because there's not enough information like who are the antagonists what are we fighting
Starting point is 02:33:38 i think you're overthinking this am i am i i think you are i think just going on basic raw premise of what they say right the one sheet if you would well the the virtual on one is the one that i have the best idea as a whole as to what it is and i think that one's the the easiest one to make super hype and super fun and the one that i would want to play the most yeah it's probably the most attainable and at the very arts really good and at the very minimum they can probably accomplish two mechs in a stage just make sure your art is fucking awesome because art is like huge and make sure that like you know they the two balance well off of each other oh naturally yeah i yeah if you're making a multiplayer game please balance it because fucking otherwise just
Starting point is 02:34:19 knit hog it you know just knit hog it same character i agree with him like the first idea is like the most realistic probably yeah if you have a good marriage of art and design probably can be most easily made and it sounds fun yeah the rest sounds really really really ambitious and the second one especially with like details are kind of sparse on our side where again we don't you're not fighting titans i assume that being well you know what are you fighting yeah not that it's not a cool idea i don't like this understanding they're all cool ideas really really really loved freedom fighters and dragon stop us okay but tell us why because of that that feeling of you as your main character and your your gang of actually competent ai
Starting point is 02:35:02 partners going up against like a large scale threat of that nature like i that i'd want that when they say when they say um and the realism be damned when they say you are your you're nothing without your squad your squad is your weapon yeah that's a sentence that i really like because um this is going to be a weird poll but magna karta that is a weird poll has you playing as a three people not one and that's an awesome idea and when you also go back to syndicate on on the the original bullfrog game or commandos the original pc game like i love games like that where it's like you have a dedicated team you are not a guy that's sick so would you say would you say two no i'm gonna say one still oh you're gonna say one i'm still gonna say one because for two like depending
Starting point is 02:35:47 on what the antagonist and the level design is like it changes radically sure instantly but i'm just way more interested in that core concept no i'm sure i guess you and i would assume that if he says like plus gir and ligand then it would be like uh super robots yeah be hyper taking logic to the correct exactly um that being said guys you have some solid ideas yeah the third one we can all agree it sounds like the most outlandishly difficult by an enormous margin yeah because you risk making people not like it without getting an incredibly good balance like from soft has some practice on like making that kind of practice on that kind of game not the ai part but like they designed the final boss of dark souls one kind of alongside that philosophy and botched it and they
Starting point is 02:36:33 know what they're like they're what they're doing making those games they fucked up the final boss of dark one and dark two holy shit the only reason you're okay with it is because it's the final boss yeah i'm gonna move on to another question that's actually kind of right thanks for the question uh chris and uh chris and ko yeah um i'm gonna move on to another one that's actually uh make a hideout kind of similar but uh it's rodney saying uh a danger field yeah rodney wants to know i'm getting no respect he's a programmer and he's talking about possibly like making and designing his own character action game type thing yes and he's saying like uh what do you think are the key crucial components like what would what would you make a character action type b and that that type
Starting point is 02:37:15 of thing like he's generally he's generally he's asking general questions on like what your type of character action fantasy would be um the thing is is as far as what sorry uh as far as uh he's an animator and out of work game designer and he's he's like working on private projects and stuff like that okay um so and and the thing about this i'm bringing this up because a couple of versions of this have come up in terms of like what would be your dream character action game stuff like that yeah liam you and i have talked about we talked about multiple game ideas including character action one so we're not really going to go into full detail on stuff that could maybe one day be a thing because we have some cool ideas for games so we're not just going to spill
Starting point is 02:37:52 those out there but um i think we all covered in previous podcasts what makes character action hype yeah but no one's going to go through all those exact uh matt and i did fun time character action that's a primer but basic for me i would say the most important things that's a control like a dream has to run well because inputs matter so control is of supreme importance in when your character is in an empty box with no enemies you still have to have fun just running around with the character movement in general has to feel really it has to have a level of difficulty that encourages deep assessment of your mechanics and encourages the player to actually get better yes to that end yeah it has a character action like strong character action is all around the
Starting point is 02:38:37 concept of mastery and well it is the evolution of the old nes hall where you take something you have to practice like the character or the specific weapons or like none of those really matter just like the fact that i have to really you have to make the player get get really in the mechanics like and it kind of sucks because it means that you can't design it for casuals you can't because then you get dmc they'll make rye which is totally fine on its own but it's really weak as a character action game yeah and and the uh better not everyone does it but the better one's definitely grade you then to show you like oh yeah you get it you're doing it better though yeah and well you can do better and like when that grading system doesn't make any sense like in
Starting point is 02:39:23 dmc unfortunately it's like well what's yeah you're you're you're taking the right idea but you're doing the wrong thing with it yeah uh some some other like important concepts that i feel like some games don't grasp correctly it like in just hack and slashes uh is canceling and so there's the obvious bit of canceling where it's like oh i'm doing x move i can cancel into y move etc but some very simple things that some games botch that make them feel really jank is when you do a move there should almost always be a point where you can just walk to cancel the remainder of the animation yeah and when you're doing a sword slash and you have to wait for the character to bring their sword back like in a game i'm playing right now uh that's not fun and i don't mean
Starting point is 02:40:05 like dark souls where you want to make it like about trepidation it's an animation priority but like if you're trying to make a fast paced game unless the character's doing a ridiculous huge thing let them cancel out of unnecessary frames i'm gonna i'm gonna tag team onto that and say taking that same philosophy and applying it to defensive mechanisms yeah just like if there's ever anything unnecessary for a player to go through don't make them go through it so i will just easily also be extremely careful about what you do allow like say to jump cancel naturally because not everything yeah not everything but like but like things like having the option to like dodge everything easily is one thing but if you have like a sick parry that's high skill
Starting point is 02:40:47 high reward yeah you know um which time it comes out when you fucking nail it on like stuff like that also matters as well there there should be very few moves that leave your character standing for a few seconds then again we don't make only this no no so we could be doing a lot and we know what we don't like yeah sure but pour salt on it um so just copy marlo yeah but honestly like the like i hate to cop out but the platinum playbook is an amazing i was i was like wondering whether or not i should say it but it's like devil may cry one three four band at a particular metal gear rising revengeance and wonderful 101 are your and god hand are a bit of ninja guidance and yeah ninja guidance uh one of ninja guidance black and ninja guidance two not just black yeah sure
Starting point is 02:41:39 ninja guidance black like if you have the time and you want to research it like those are the good ones those are the character like that's the good stuff i probably forgot why it's in marlo marlo um you know someone asked i'm just gonna roll it in here i live that like uh which one hurt you guys souls more um dmc2 or dmc dmc2 for like right and it's like yeah the gulf in quality is exactly is like the ages because dmc2 is like they actually fuck the series up dmc is clearly a different thing yeah and and like still faith yeah dmc don't make right they did what they wanted to do yeah whereas in dmc2 they failed on every level and when you and you when you strip away like the shitty like um aesthetic parts of of of both of them yeah right and you're just left with core
Starting point is 02:42:29 gameplay dmc i have fun with dmc dmc has more going on for it than dmc fucking two does yeah you can't deny that you shoot the demon tank yeah like the dmc's problem is it's it's it's how easy it is yeah and dmc2's problem is it doesn't fucking work um anyway it's actually just raw bad yes whereas dmc again is totally competent and good just i just don't like it as much as the other action goes like dmc is like a really good demonstration of basic character action like how it should work just make it hyper them yeah better than that uh arry asks sub gents uh i know that the majority of you fly boys are poster enthusiasts what's the best way to put up a poster on your wall use the blue stuff uh will you frame it first of all if you can go for the
Starting point is 02:43:17 frames then that's the go for the that's the big baller route big diggie around but if you're not a big diggie if you appreciate your posters you frame use that painter then you tack though shitty hot apartments will ruin your posters yeah because the tack the tack hole uh in the place i used to live only created a permanent stain on the back that started to grease through to the front uh so tack is not a great idea what the fuck am i supposed to do um honestly if okay uh one thing that's that that works is if you take uh some masking tape and you put it on the back of just double-sided no that's because the double-sided will roll off this is a little bit more complicated but it'll keep your poster pristine and it'll also keep it stuck to the wall you put a flat piece of
Starting point is 02:44:05 masking tape facing down on the back of your poster okay so the sticky side is it's attached okay then you get a double-sided piece of tape that goes on the wall and your double-sided tape attaches to the masking okay so the damage all goes on to the masking tape but you get the adhesiveness of the double-sided tape that's how you keep your your posters in good condition and when you need to pull it off you pull off the masking you devastate the masking tape and your actual poster is in fine condition yeah let's protest there you go life hacks i'm not going to take my posters down to redo them nope but just f fyi can i have back on line that you never put out yes okay because these guys want them you've had over two years you never the one one broke at
Starting point is 02:44:48 some point you broke the poster no it was the wall scroll it broke uh i haven't asked do you guys play mobile games sorry i haven't no we don't know i played league for like probably an aggregate total of like 40 hours oh wow um it's fun but i just it just wasn't for me uh a good game but when i play mobas i feel like killing myself i hate it it's not a not a great recommendation from us i wish i wish i had the traits that like mobas appeal to like it's like team game like right away i'm like no fuck it yeah i have a hard time like that's my primary like problem that's why we like fighting games so much yeah if i lost it's because of me not even sometimes because of the opponent it's because i lost uh broke broke apocalypse asks well actually he mentions first of all
Starting point is 02:45:39 just kind of a little a little bit of him talking about shogo mobile armor division which is fucking sick it's this mega game knows on pc where you switch between first person shooting mode and mecha mode and oh my god it's it's old and awkward but it's awesome i'm glad he's talking about it but his question is are there any games that you dread being announced games where upon announcement it's guaranteed to fail yeah yeah yeah free to play the world ends with you too on ios sure that's the one that is the straw that will break the candle for me and that is the one that will finally fucking kill me i was i was thinking about i know already got announced what was i know yours it's nausea oh yeah it's literally like my fucking nightmare
Starting point is 02:46:25 game and it exists i feel like there's a pattern here i i think another mega man not for devices that people want to play it on a web a web zone another one like another one yeah capcom officially bringing the mega man game to zonar cross over to the next mega man fuck i'd be on a console or a handle or something i'd be baffled if it wasn't but you're right that would die of death that would be the one that would make mighty number nine we are uh we're gonna do one from you woolly oh sorry um dreaded announcements yeah yeah oh mirrors edge two be not exactly what you want well mirrors edge two being canceled which is getting more likely by the day when it's done when it's done where is final fantasy 15 we haven't seen it since game three the same time we saw
Starting point is 02:47:23 a fucking mirrors edge to free to play with guns mirrors edge multiplayer mode with like fucking battle arenas guns yeah yeah guess what that's gonna happen mirrors edge three guns shooting it's like that bam bam bam um okay we're gonna do adam asking okay so you guys know the game mary fuck kill well i'm familiar yeah let's do oh i'm always confused by this game can somebody clear this up does this mean that you'd marry them but never have sex with them ever yes no i think you know i think you know i think it's i think it's all in there but it's just like you know the partner for life um mistress yeah and die well mistress mistress once yeah yeah sure yeah um okay so he's like let's play own work for and burn down this is great i like this okay this uh adam
Starting point is 02:48:18 you're a fucking genius so the first set is homework for birthday so good so good the first quest the first set is yay quantic dream and data design interactive the who whose data designer ninja breadman ninja burn down ninja breadman yeah i'm staying here yeah burn down data design absolutely is not the worst in this bunch i want to only and i want to work for quantic dream yeah exactly yeah yeah that's exactly it's quantic dream only doesn't seem like a fun place to work at i'll think you know what getting to see fucking oh what's his name david kate god my brain is bad lately it's pretty getting to see david cage and his natural habitat like totally or just which is which is which is in an oxygen tent or just nude or just barking loud enough to like fucking maybe
Starting point is 02:49:07 make a difference yeah meanwhile oh it seems like a nicer guy than that that he bark across the studio you you bark at him or you bark at him to make a yeah i look there you're like i want to change a bunch of shit at ea but if you do you can get some great shit out of there right like i'd run that company into the ground for sure but i'd be happy to do it second set there's a second set second platinum grasshopper atlas okay uh um yeah yeah yeah okay okay so so to me at least it is uh own atlas work for platinum burn grass yeah you're right totally i agree because grasshopper totally got dissolved into gunko no but i have no title no oh really it's just gungo i'm pretty sure they just got dissolved damn either way i know more many either way even if they weren't yeah i would
Starting point is 02:50:00 burn burn burn grasshopper i'm i'm not burning grasshopper because they're my favorite so who are you gonna burn he's gonna burn atlas you motherfucker i'll kill you i cannot like a thing and prefer some no you can't you're allowed actually i can't no but i work like matt likes matt likes grasshopper more than atlas stop not liking the thing that i like oh adam that was a fantastic question that was really good every time i hear something like this i was thinking that little comic with the angel uh the guy says i don't like thing yeah and an angel comes down and just goes a little piece of paper and it just says okay okay and then and then it goes it's no it then it flies back up into the sky it's the best part oh man um but yeah now that's a great question because uh i do have
Starting point is 02:50:47 to say that we did go quite a few of like hey zibatsu play mary fuck kill with each other and it's like or we can do something fun or the fun um and this one that's tough because this one is from jake hard jk asks us that's not our knees how well okay jk asks us that's pretty good asks how well does triggers works hold up to the plinket character test and i believe from this question we're going to transition into the kill the kill spoiler cast uh it is the plinket uh so if i remember correctly the plinket character test is describe a character without referencing their appearance or profession or physical traits well i i said appearance sorry sorry sorry name physical appearance or job describe their character types so the the the use in uh his
Starting point is 02:51:46 episode one review is that you would describe say see through p.o a hand solo and prissy and you know neurotic and you try and describe queen amadala and you're like uh and stoic episode stoic that's the one old trilogy characters versus new trilogy characters you have such strong words and emotions when you talk about um on solo on solo or any of the old guys but the new ones you're like because he's a jedi they were all jedi so they're weird monks yeah so i certainly think like the main cast totally stands up to that mako ryuko says he said trigger by the trigger so we're gonna go in as we're gonna put gurren in here oh right that doesn't then can we count little witch academia sure that's actually trigger sure he said trigger well we can't count gurren then
Starting point is 02:52:36 but it was made by most of the same people yeah i'm i feel like that's what he's talking about it's triggered i feel like he's just talking about kill a kill because half the people don't hear while this question while okay here the immediate followed up line is while this question was made with kill a kill in mind i don't want to limit it to that show all right okay it's a little witch well you can cover that on your own talk about it because it's a kill a kill question well chances are he's talking about kill a kill exactly but like uh mako again like the whole let's just put the the the hammer down the rest of the podcast is gonna be fucking full on kill the kill spoilers if you don't want kill the kill spoilers goodbye everybody yeah i'll see you guys
Starting point is 02:53:17 later yeah well oh really yeah matt didn't mess go over here put my headphones on because i'm not oh shit no that's what i when i said that i was looking at matt to kind of give him the don't lose your way all right so let's let's start it should we time this so the viewers know when to come back no they're not gonna come back it's the end of the podcast well we've got more segments after this what do we have what's up next on the channel yeah we'll do that ourselves oh we're gonna go bankrupt next week don't worry about it our mind share is going all right so kill a kill has ended and we can finally talk about some stuff in a second because matt's still getting so um for the plinket character test like i don't think it's necessary to go down each
Starting point is 02:54:03 no just pick one individually that succeeds at it no because i think i think they succeed overall i think it's important to go over the characters who don't succeed at it and that's very few the elite four uh my pick was gonna be gamma gory no gamma gory okay when i i mean i mean jack azeria i mean jack azeria holds up really yeah she's loyal okay she's trustworthy she's always there for the people she's snyd you're right um um fussy prissy prissy yeah right sarcastic yeah she's okay you're totally right you're totally right absolutely a character right damn damn they all hold up to it like i think the only character i think sanya gama like is yeah he's great you know like you can pull some words from there uh arrogant uh flashy showing confidence
Starting point is 02:54:55 dedicated yeah uh um gamma gory stoic i i think unstoppable bigger than you know that's i know no fuck it bigger thing so i think most interesting about this is you look at all these characters and like i think like most of the characters do pretty good like likes to hold maru doesn't really no because she's nothing because she's nothing she's fabric but i think like she's not even a person in the end and i think it's the saddest thing and i it's my biggest problem kill the kill is the only character that matters that fails this test is yuko you think so yuko sucks compared to the rest of the cast but i think she still holds up no i disagree i think she passes really i think she passes because she's stupid she dumb
Starting point is 02:55:43 whoa whoa i think headstrong is the word you're looking for uh like um um emotional emotional uh arrogant sure um i guess but like but like she and the thing is she's vengeful she has a lot of she has a lot of vengeful she has a lot of words in common with um no i wouldn't even say vengeful because halfway through the first part of the season the vengeance just falls by the wayside like she has she has the first couple of words in common in zatsuki but then uh she gets undisciplined or satsuki gets a disciplined yeah she gets like i i guess noble versus i guess when i say that it's just like red only blue only yeah gray well now we're saying get to fucking tv we get to episode like 19 2021 and i'm like boy i hope that they kill ryuko and that satsuki
Starting point is 02:56:31 becomes the new main character after that ryuko becomes understanding i but i still don't you know i'm blinded by the fact that i like virtual so much more than you don't have to like your i know i'm thinking things still and i've been there before but but um okay uh sadistic cheerful prissy uh which i already said for jex rae but there's yeah it's like it's fine it's not actually explicit uh manic annoying yeah impatient yeah fucking newy is such a god damn everyone got fucking trolled so hard because by the fact that she kills herself yeah i i dude i told you like in the last couple episodes every time i come back going why are they bleeding her out so slow yeah why is she not a stain on the bottom of ryuko and so here's the deal and it's like no
Starting point is 02:57:27 there goes her arms first the the rest and it's slow the reason she just takes herself out and you never get that so here's the deal the reason why it comes off the reason why she goes so slow is so that you can have two action sequences in which the op plays okay that's why yeah okay but fucking um uh ragio just like you know sacrifice yourself and i'm like god damn it you don't get the satisfaction no seeing her crumple into a ball no not at all fail no you don't get to feel that joy nope in fact she succeeds in her final moment i can't oh god eat shit i know i know so what a successful character so that last episode it like that last three episodes it's like it's there are so many direct homages going on that i'm having like it's particularly in the finals
Starting point is 02:58:18 i'm having a lot trouble keeping up with how much stuff they are referencing they are referencing all over the place very clearly we have literally gone back to space literally i'm like i think it goes to space i know but like everything worth watching it was right in that it ended with x cut but then it didn't yes yes hey well that that was obvious from episode one i know but it was a really nice setup with the two of them coming in and then doubling back over on three yeah it was way better oh we have like dragon ball z being like dude like like straight up yo rikus goku now granted that's the trope in like every power up sure we have the gurren uh guttie of i will just combine every hero in the series so uh i didn't have faith in ragio showing up as a second um what's it
Starting point is 02:59:12 second arc as the anti-spiral character as the anti-spiral and convincing me that you're a good enough villain because satsuki's been such a good one up to that point yeah and uh they find really good reasons almost skull face like yes to make you go for fucking hate this character it started it started off i remember the first time it happened me and you had an argument over whether or not it was implied or just like innuendo innuendo and as the fucking show goes on like there's no innuendo here that is like dark it's bad that character is evil yes one of my favorite like but i but i i mean i still think it's going for innuendo in all its places but the it's so strong that your emotions are the same where it's like this girl she needs to go yeah she bad well
Starting point is 03:00:01 one of my favorite little stupid scenes that was already deep in when she was established as bad was when she fucking kicked satsuki off the life fiber watch him uh as she as soon as she touched it yeah remember that that's super nothing they were she kicks her off and stands back on her handkerchief like no your feet how dare your feet disgrace this thing it's fucking evil literally evil the worst destroyer of worlds yeah no she's the fucking silver surfer i was so amazed with how the show like initially you're like oh look at all this fan service and stuff and whatever and by the i don't even see it because it doesn't even matter by the end they are all completely naked literally by the end they literally all become griffith in the in the
Starting point is 03:00:43 fucking where there's yes there's like we're not the characters we naked but we're gonna remove their genitals because it doesn't matter and that was one of the big themes of the show obviously was like dealing with that where at the beginning ryuko could not even handle that she was wearing it and then you don't even see you know by the end of it who cares by the end of it she was taking it off yeah yeah yeah underwear and by the very end of it they're all completely completely naked and there's like there's no longer fan service is just not even you don't even see it you don't feel that anymore at the beginning of the show it's like yeah they're playing it up but then they totally phase that out and that really goes in a parallel with that whole metaphor like
Starting point is 03:01:22 like i like one of the strongest moments of that happening for me at least was when satsuki was hiled up sharpening that fucking toenail and she's naked and you're like okay there she is and she's got no clothes on because ragi was a fucking crazy creep you see nothing and then she breaks free and does her crazy sick toenail combos um but she's running around the the school completely naked and it's like you don't even see it because you're just like oh what's next yeah where she go like in none of that matter yeah establishment of scale is one of the most important things to telling a compelling story on that level yes and like very few things do that right i think another thing that did that perfectly was wonderful 101 yeah um and it's so hard to make that establishment
Starting point is 03:02:04 of scale and from minute one in kill a kill where gamma gory's flinging the guy around that they established scale right there but only built up and this also means that you don't have to be a story about ending the universe for you to be still really fantastic as a journey from beginning to end you could you can you doesn't always have to be the end all be all in this case it was the world but it still was like significantly less large in scope from like gurren but it doesn't matter because you're watching the character arc go through and it's building up properly and it was fine oh man that catch that catch that's that's that's that's my favorite scene of the whole series so is when they catch riko that's my second favorite my favorite and it's my favorite and my
Starting point is 03:02:47 third favorite are the same scene and when we talked about kill a kill episode one all these podcasts ago i vividly remember describing i knew that this show was going to be special when that kid runs down the stairs and gamma gory is a single yeah he is a single animation frame falling by the window laughing and in the crux of the middle of the episode we're gonna do it they have the same shot and he has the same laugh now now it's this yes but yeah there's one thing there's one thing that i was surprised by was that like because i saw them doing like what what liam called fake fight scenes throughout the show we're basically like i'd like to talk about that well yeah and i will i'll let you um but i was like i was gonna say that because you see moments where
Starting point is 03:03:37 they're saving money here they're saving money there i'm expecting like a massive massive blowout of money towards the end assuming this is popular and yeah and you did see quite a few that opening shot with all the kids running the last episode the last episode you saw you saw it it was like they spent the money and yet but they still didn't have enough to do everything they wanted to do so i i brought this up to everyone who's been asking me so like i've been having a hard time defining this because i've never really seen anyone talk about it but i know a lot of people are kind of bothered by it so like i've been calling it's the two forms well i've been calling it fake fight scenes right yeah which i my definitions of it are when a character is fighting
Starting point is 03:04:14 the camera or when a character is represented as less than themselves in a fight now describe that last one because that's exactly so when the two characters are two stars in the sky that are clashing against each other that's a fake fight yeah that and by fake fight i don't mean there's nothing going on i mean there that's clearly a budget can i add one to you to that yeah because i'd love that because there's i believe there's a third one and we saw a little bit and kill a kill and it was really disappointing because dbz pioneered it and it's we're gonna have the two characters stand next to each other we're gonna make 30 frames of them flailing at each other like the clashes and they just flail for a while and they're gonna flail and this is now a dialogue
Starting point is 03:04:55 scene yeah that is the fucking worst and it happens right at the end yeah there's money everywhere and then you still see it totally in the final panel like the final ultimate showdown i'm gonna still see that i'm gonna throw in another one which is uh newie just breaking the world and doing photoshop copy pastes and flip around i like that actually that was one of the most intensely charming money-saving things it's like nobody's done it hey look i'm a south park character in your 3d world yeah i'm a flatlander to ed i thought that was pretty cool but yeah i could see how people could not like that uh but i i really feel like fake fighting especially in an anime with the um the the moxie this one had yeah the gumption that it had is is really a clear indicator
Starting point is 03:05:39 of where the money wasn't sure and i can't hold that against trigger they simply didn't have the money clearly but i'm 100% sure that if you ask them they would replace 80% of those fake fight scenes with real fights hopefully we'll see that maybe we'll see it maybe we'll see that being said like uh the the series said buy all the kill kill the series obviously it has flaws like i think ryuko even if you disagree with me i think she's like an overall weaker character than in then some of the her direct contemporary supporting mac goes a better character than ryuko i like her more uh uh but like they went to all the places that i wanted them to go including they they went to the straight reverse hero antagonist thing i fucking love brainwashed uh
Starting point is 03:06:27 ryuko yeah no and that that was really frustrating to me because i thought that satsuki was more interesting as the protagonist than ryuko was way more interesting as the antagonist was great that was really cool um and just and just as we sort of roll out here just just darting out cool shit um the the the fucking nudist beach guys being more or less irrelevant until the elite for join and make them relevant yeah so sick great fucking great fucking inamuna comes out of an alien wear pc yeah yeah um um and uh god what's his name um uh yori yori's the king the fucking bed yori out of nowhere yori is the stitching that holds it all together man he's the newy for the good guys absolutely and you don't really get that how important that is until the final where
Starting point is 03:07:17 you're like oh my god hey we went from nothing to fucking god tier in like an hour yeah thanks yori yori's the guy uh yeah uh the breaking up of i forgot its name but satsuki's blade into the back side back that's that and then i'd like and then the unintended perfect effect of now you can scissor yeah you know that was really fun yes um i kind of on a different tangent but just like two of my favorite things that it did really well well was flashbacks it was one of them yes because me and you talked about this it didn't just go like hey we're gonna draw the characters and put like a little filter over them no we're gonna put a really heavy filter well no well besides the filter different color palette entirely yeah extremely limited different aspect
Starting point is 03:08:00 ratio which is my favorite part different aspect ratio which was amazing like it's back in the time before white screen so it's not in white screen and and leading up to also fake memories and fake flashbacks yeah leading up to my second big favorite little thing was costumes different fucking costumes and the flashbacks they look totally different because guess what they're younger and they look totally different but there's like fucking over a hundred costumes me and Liam talked about this show it's like nuts you had costumes like take emigre he went through like seven entirely character designs and every time you got a new one you were happy with it yeah it's like you know everyone no one's ever happy with a redesign every time facebook fucking changes everybody flips
Starting point is 03:08:43 their shit and these are characters that you really like and every single time they change really yes um for the elite four in particular in the last two episodes they got their final costume and they only had it for a grand total of maybe eight minutes yeah and then it was gone but it's so memorable because they're all great and just to think that they sat some artists down and said we need you to draw a hundred and twenty memorable great costumes yeah from from mako's travel kit all the way up to fucking nothing and like little fucking and they all have just you go on the bike doing akira shit and they all have to have like very recognizable varied and simple color palette yeah i like how they didn't have fucking they didn't have to go with libera me from hell they just
Starting point is 03:09:30 dropped don't lose your way yeah again and again and again and then you had that final one with the dual transformation and it's such a clean drop yeah the music stops and it fucking kicks in the dual transformation i remember the first time i came up i paused it and i'm like is this a higher quality video you're like this is so clean yeah you know it helps me to speak letterbox well exactly that was definitely the thing that tricked me into it that was in general um you guys really like blooming cranes uh for me it's uh curio curio got killed the satsuki they're all great man they're not damn um my only bummer about the i think it's soundtrack is overall superior to gurans yeah no i totally agree totally agree um my only bummer with the ost was about episode 18
Starting point is 03:10:17 they played a song that wasn't in the ost that i spent 40 bucks on yep and then later on they played another one that wasn't in that ost so i am you know what i'm looking forward to cd number guess what i bet when that ost came out those songs didn't exist it's my most helium are you a cowboy bebop fan who isn't well because if you were then this is nothing because cowboy bebop was the same thing except it happened nine times way worse i only owned one cowboy bebop cd and i don't care to collect the rest because the seatbelts and yoko kano didn't stop making music and there were nine osts is that guy dead or something no yoko kano is alive are you sure because where she at she's in a tube man they're gonna defrosht her for the next project that's what i'm saying
Starting point is 03:11:03 she did ragnarok online too oh really well but but anyway fantastic would watch again yeah great sure there was a there was a moment on the day that uh the the final episode came out where i was doing other stuff but every time i had any moment of downtime i'm like i'm gonna go to that part where the music kicks in yeah watch that watch that sequence again where gamaguri turns in the lord genome and becomes a gunman yeah i can't believe i can't believe they actually like what if i can face it everything well that's but i also can't believe that they fucking had um the the second to last episode after the credits important shit happens and it's like if you missed it too bad yeah right one of those things that like i could feel the budget
Starting point is 03:11:50 get away from them is like a if you didn't see that part and but even then when the final episode started playing i thought i'd miss something yeah because they jump like several minutes into the future but they showed it to you in the in the credits of the last one but it's still there's still the jump yeah yeah uh last thing i'm gonna say is last thing in the show uh freeze frame that when she turns around look at the back of that jacket yeah yeah yeah you're seeing she had that jacket before but you get a nice clean look at what is a very obviously heavily modified digran logo of course so uh last thing i'm gonna say is that uh otp is clearly riko and mako and i swear to god if you say gamaguri mako i'm gonna stab you i want gamaguri mako i want you i'm
Starting point is 03:12:31 standing no no i i really i want gamaguri mako but they've pushed it too hard they're holding hands on a bench and they're making out like i don't have hands with you fuck but but but but it becomes xatski as well because it becomes a fun time for everybody so and you know what fucking it's a giant cuddle puddle everyone together at the end there's literally a tiny little puddle everyone and everyone they clearly all you're pairing are real so it was one of those things where i really want to see an interview about this uh because we we now know that they were they were like fighting the deadline up until the time it came out and i really want to know if they did stuff like bring back mako in the suit because of fan feedback i want to i want to i want to see
Starting point is 03:13:14 it's like did they make it so ambiguous and open up all these romantic threads at the end just so that people would argue yeah yeah you can i feel like it because i really feel like you know like sometimes when they hear how things are doing it's like yeah let's push the popularity of them you know um i just gotta say i really fucking hope we get a game there's so many mediocre anime games that for mediocre anime i don't care if it's shit i don't care if namco's d team you're not gonna get it i want to buy it you're not gonna get it but there's so many shit anime here okay because i was gonna say i if something yeah never the ones you want if something good came out before gurren got it to do i'd be really angry wait you you want gurren to come back now to get a game
Starting point is 03:13:53 yes a bit late but but hey man like the full metal games came out years after yeah that's true they were terrible they weren't great but someone woke up and tried it same thing for shampoo and fucking cowboy peepop was how long later like come on i just want someone to do it fucking anyone maybe that maybe maybe like like the attack on titan guy just a fan on on a fucking unity fine like wet build totally yeah yeah i just want that yeah in my blood now um waiting on my um fucking well either gamagori or um any of the elite for regalia costumes as my statue on my desk i'm i'm waiting for satsuki with her sword in front of her like that yeah that's the one satsuki up on the tower that is the on top of that hasn't been i i want macos two star yeah that's of course
Starting point is 03:14:47 all of it all of it but you're totally right i go to must one is even if it's like like it has to come out before the ryuko one even if it's to miniature scale but the honoji and then satsuki on top like and you gotta have a little like light led that you can turn on that fucking glow so you get the aura um last thing uh boy did you listen to the soundtrack some of the lyrics and some of those songs are terrible well specifically suck your blood suck your blood oh my god those lyrics are almost offensive thanks to bad they are like there you go that's that's literally rape culture not everyone can be megaro it's fucking terrible uh what was the song on the gird soundtrack like tits are a man's soul or something like that i can't remember it's been a while there's one
Starting point is 03:15:31 called gird had with you electrical like something but uh yeah like half of them are like fuck the sky with your dick we we can't go much longer so i think we got it all out of our system there kill a kill was really good 11 on 10 would buy again i'd give it a nine out of 10 give it again give it a chance to buy it again too like when it does come here for the monies but did you see anaplex's dvds 80 fucking dollars for two of course like madoka fuck everything like if you like kill a kill buy the well they were coming up on the channel buy it if you like kill a kill get crunchy roll watch kill a kill on crunchy roll and then wait for something that's not a rip off anything that puts money in their pocket uh up on the channel we've got more nuzlocs sorry for the
Starting point is 03:16:16 pause man is coming back uh triumphant return to the right man i think i might have a good idea what's coming on the channel myself yeah what's going on the channel man uh me and leo will be taking a look at one for sure for sure maybe two games one of them is a connect game yeah amazing like spend over 70 on unfortunately oh no i am sorry um uh maybe me and leo might be there might be there might be uh either in the next week or two getting close to yakuza yeah finishing yeah uh yakuza will be back this week after our our trip abroad back to uh last of us uh you choose will come back nuzlocs coming back right uh or it's it's came back it's like yesterday i think we can safely say that like in the plans are pretty much like let's plays that include every combination of us for
Starting point is 03:17:09 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's we got we got some special stuff cooking also some special stuff that i'm really excited about special sauce no msg i'm really really excited about but it's not getting your knee it's not going to be this week so yep not this friday but next friday after me and leo will also make the long ingest gestation killer instinct video now that all of season one when it's all together all together there you go check cashed yep it didn't bounce so there you go god if only soon you're going to be able to get your check straight from lang yeah sign their giant technology checks side from the lang zone oh dave lang you know if you get all the fucking steam badges on fucking dive kick and all that
Starting point is 03:18:03 shit you can just get dave lang's fucking face as an art that's awesome guy i can't wait to see what he brings to ki dave lang is a playable character let's do it lang after god like combo laying combo wouldn't that be me to drop combo yeah american combo see you guys next week bye

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