Castle Super Beast - SBFC 037: The Man-Train Needs to be Tightly Knit

Episode Date: April 22, 2014

We try out Boss Coffee and take the Haribo challenge! We also discuss quitting Naughty Dog employees, development hell, and an amazing looking game called HOVER. Email us at superbestfriendcast at gmail dot com.

Why, why do you know so much about Encino Man? I was forced to watch it in class a couple of times, drinks. Because Encino Man, an ad for, is on the back of every fucking comic book. It was. You're right. You're right. I know about it, because I was forced to watch it in class when substitute teachers were being like, what is that?

This is way more interesting than, like, why does man know about it, like, why would the school force you to watch Encino Man, because the teacher was lazy and just wanted Pauly Shore in our heads. They wanted to spice Pauly Shore. I thought you were talking about your history class, like, hey kids, you're going to learn history, talking about you. Brendan Frazier and Pauly Shore are going to teach you about how the world was made. We kept watching Dante's peak in geography, and it's like, okay, but like, that seems

like even more of a reach. The only one that I can think of of note in the whole trip through school is that, like, snow day, but we're stuck here, so watch whatever until we can send you home. So we saw Chevy Chase's Christmas Vacation, no, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. God, my brain still autocompletes that. But none of the teachers had actually seen it, so when the chick starts getting naked on the pool, they were sitting at the back, and we're in, like, fifth grade, and there's this mad dash to get in front of TV.

So class today, we're going to be watching Porky's, you know? What, like? No. No, and we actually... It's awesome to me. And that was not the end of my Pauly Shore elementary school experience. What else? Because we had another class with another sub that played Bayadot.

Oh, fuck, I knew it was going to be Bayadot. You fucking watched Bayadot in class. It was... How was Bayadot, buddy? It was enriching. It was an experience. I bet it was. You learned to love life so much more.

You know, it was bullshit. You'd get, like, they'd show you a movie, but it wouldn't, it'd be way longer than the period they had to film, and they would never come back to it ever again. So I only saw, like, the first hour of Waterworld for a good long time. And that's the bad hour. Even that's more than you need to see. Oh, it's way too more. Way too more.

Just start watching. Way too much. It's the best. You're in drinking fun. It's not your destination, it's your destiny. I was just talking to Matt about this the other day. Why didn't Kevin Costner make a whole bunch of movies in a row that were exactly the same? If it ain't broke.

If it ain't broke. Like, Dancers of the World and Waterworld and The Postman were all pretty much the exact same movie. In different settings. Just do what you're getting paid for. But they turned bad, like, right away. Like, right away they became too deep. Remember that time in Waterworld where Roxy Richter from Scott Pilgrim had the map written

on her back? Why do you have to bring Scott Pilgrim into this? Because Roxy Richter was the girl with the map on her back in Waterworld. That's a smart idea. You could get anything and you had to fucking... Don't drag Brian Leo Malley into Waterworld. He didn't cast the lady. Don't drag Edward Norton.

Not Edward Norton. Edward Collins. Snowden. Whatever. Fucking... What are you saying? What are you talking about? The director of Scott Pilgrim that's awesome.

Edward Wright. Edgar Wright. Sorry. It took us a little while. Don't drag Edgar Wright's name through the mud. I can remember it. Since I was the only one that did, yeah. Wully, we're clearly not on top of our game.

Nope. We need to be pepped up. We do need to be pepped up. Welcome to episode 37 of the podcast. So, luckily, we are going to be... Some nice fans sent us in some boss coffee. Straight from Japan. We had a cool Japanese fan that wrote and delivered a whole bunch of cool treats and whatever

and included some coffee. That's boss coffee. There are a bunch of these and only me and Wully are going to drink these so they'll be here next week. Yep. I'm drinking the Suntory, I guess, boss is the boss of them all blend of boss coffee. Well, there's a bunch of extra on there but you can't read it. You can't read it.

You can't read it. Let's see. I got the boss gran aroma. A new experience in coffee. The gran aroma. Coffee in a can makes me think of Shenmue every time, all the time. It makes me think of Yakuza because these exact things are sponsored in Yakuza. There are scenes in which characters are drinking these.

They have a lot of products in there. They're doing that bullshit with a logo spacing out and they're just doing the... Oh! Oh! This coffee is so good in my mouth. There's some tech programmed into the engine that makes the logo auto-face the view. There's a lot of time to can turns. Alright, so I'm going to pop this gran aroma.

Let's see what it's like. I don't even like coffee so this will be an interesting experience. That's a good way to go into coffee. I don't like it, but... This is actually not bad. It smells like coffee. Yep. And it tastes like coffee without the bitter edge on it.

So they've softened it. Really? Can I have a sip of that? They put a bunch of sugar in it. They've softened it down. They've absolutely softened it the fuck down. Wow, that's good. Yeah.

Alright. I can actually drink it here. Here, wooly, have my gran aroma. Here, let me try it with... Oh, just swapping. This is a weird spot between milk tea and coffee. Yeah, try this one. Where it gets comfortable.

Just indirect kisses all over the place. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, this is way milder. Yeah. Yo, this one's sick. That one's got more flavor. Wow, boss coffee. Boss coffee?

The only way to go. Doing it pretty good. I like the boss coffee. Didn't even get sponsored by boss coffee. I was just going to say... Oh, man. Boss coffee. If we tell them that we're a zybotsy, they might listen to the air.

Oh, yeah. Do you want this back? Yeah, leverage. These are good. I don't know if that's a good idea. I don't think the idea of an energy drink-style coffee situation where we're drinking it constantly for money is a good idea. Hell, I don't even know if it's a great idea for one episode, but we'll see where this

goes. I can already feel it. Yeah. Would you like to raise the stakes, however? Gentlemen. Gentlemen, I'm proposing something. This has been sitting here on the table since you walked in. Oh!

Man, you have not noticed it. Stop. But these are Haribo gummy bears. Those are weird. The sugar-free ones. These are... Are they sugar-free? Wasn't it just the sugar-free ones that do the thing?

I'm pretty sure it was just the sugar-free ones that do the thing. I don't know. Wait, it says... It says super. They're super. But Haribo gummy bears... Oh, I have a legacy on the internet that you may or may not be aware of. I've heard a little bit about it.

I am not. Amazon Review for Haribo gummy bears. You will read some of the funniest fucking tales from the toilet that men are writing on the bowl as they're dumping the hardest ass they've ever dumped in their life. Their butt explodes. So why do you have it? A fan sent us these in the mail. This podcast occasionally goes to three and a half hours.

Yeah. Okay. I'm going to advise against a situation in which we have diuretic coffee from a foreign land topped off with butt-exploders. Violent ruptures of uranus. Well, that reaction may occur within the sound of this microphone. Too late because it's already open. I'm not eating it.

You can't eat it. I'll take a few, but I'm pretty sure it's only the sugar-free ones that do anything. Let's gamble. I'm gonna gamble. Okay. I counted. Split it. Actually, I think this will give the podcast a real shot in the arm.

It's been looking. Right. A little bit of pep. So there are exactly nine of these. Who's got the balls in their dick? I'll take five. To go in. The balls in my dick?

Yeah. The balls in your dick. Who's got them? No. My tummy already hurts. Oh, no. Totally. I'll go.

So we're going 50-50 on this Liam. I'll take five, yeah. All right. Here we go. You guys are idiots. Let's do it. Let's see where this takes us. Dude, I hope my bum goes nuts.

We're like sending and testing and drink testing to straight up. Let's just poison ourselves on camera and see how long we can do the work. Again, I bet that's the sugar-free one. Next week, just take a bunch of cinnamon. Just throw it in your face. Yeah. Yeah. Did you one shot them all?

Yeah. Okay. You're right, man. That's what we'll do. Next week, we'll do an audio cinnamon challenge. Yeah. The Harry Bogambit is on. I want to see how long it takes before anything, if anything, that's happened.

I suspect about an hour, maybe two... Well, you're... Hopefully five is enough. Before the end of the five. There are so many dumb decisions that have been made here. So many. The first big decision is to do it. The second one is to do it at a time in which you're drinking coffee.

And the third one is to do it. I don't wash it down with some boss coffee. The third one is to do it in which, if the worst case scenario occurs, there is one bathroom and two of you. Yeah. Yep. But before we got here, Willie was like, oh, why don't I have all that beer and coffee and watermelon?

Which means it's like you'll use your house, you'll get to the bathroom, and so then you have to start yelling at Liam not to take a dump out your window. But it's open already. Exactly. It's right there. And it's three stories. Nobody will ever figure out it was us. This is how men podcast, all right?

No. No. This is... No. It's a real man podcasting right now. High stakes. No. Literally high tension podcasts.

No. It's not children podcasts. Okay? Oh, yeah. You think it's how men do it? It's no. This is how children do it. This is our podcast from the show.

You can't do it. Dare you. You fucking idiot. The Harry bow gambit is on. I don't do shit your pants. I know. I didn't know that you almost do that like a month ago. I maybe almost did that a month ago, but crisis was averted.

But he didn't know that might have happened, whereas he is in... We got to do something that we might have willingly taking it in. Was there a just frame incident? Was there a moment where you were a few frames away? It was a moment where I just pulled it back. It was a moment where I was, I made it to the public restroom and it was in the situation of like if all of these stalls are taken, it's game over. Because I have 45 seconds and it's like, I'm walking into the bathroom and like honestly

considering like, oh, so this is how you find shit in a urinal. Like that's how this is how it happened. It's also, if it does become game over, it's that situation in life where you go down to city hall and you just resign from being a person. Because that's that it's not inevitable, but like you've got a plan, right? Do you have a friend that can be the guy? Yo, so here's the problem. The problem was this one emergency dial.

This problem happened when I was on my way here to do the podcast. And Matt was with me at the time. I was like, Matt, my stomach's bad. You excuse me for a second and I wander off. So if I had called and said I can't come to the podcast, everyone would have known. All of the listeners would have known. You can't trust us. My life would be over.

So luckily, luckily nothing happened and everything was fine. Well, there are no stories. No stories. That we know of. It's like that's how dire it is. If there's a situation in which the story in which nothing happens is still a story. Yeah. Yeah.

And this fucking group over here, all of us, all us shit lords are so hungry for any new material we can get our hands on. Mind at all, right? We've resorted to creating new stuff out of nowhere. Dude posts on my Facebook wall. Fuck you, Woolly. You ate my chili and patched up. Oh, that was so good.

This is the new lore. We're going to work this into something. Why'd you eat that guy's chili? Because Matt's girlfriend made it for me and it was tasty. But why was it that way? How was it? Oh my God. Yes, it happened.

Matt's girlfriend made it for you. How did you eat that guy's chili? She made a bunch of chili. I have lots of extra chili. She then tells her coworker that Woolly knows, hey, I made a bunch of chili. Do you want me to bring some? Yeah. Woolly shows up, eats all the chili and then she has no chili to bring and then she goes

I have no chili. And the guy goes, what the fuck, Woolly, why'd you eat all my chili? And you write that on my wall and I just posted the Spider-Man 3. So good. Oh, God damn it. It wasn't his chili to begin with. It wasn't really. It was chili being prepared communally and I happened to meet her first.

Just try and tell that to the chili theft artists. It's hard at work right now. It's not an easy living. Nobody buys chili these days from chili theft artists. It's true. No, I meant like people drawing. Drawing. Oh, good.

Drawing it. Oh, like artists, does it not feed? Yes, in artists. Ah. Like people who make art. Ah. Yeah. Come on, Liam.

Come on. Please get to it. You said theft artists. I'm like, that's like a picture. We got two hours and 45 minutes podcast to go. Come on. Matt. Yeah.

The real Matt. Yes. How's it going? Pretty good. How's your week? Well, how was my last two weeks, really? Since I wasn't here, but you found a very nice replacement to take my spot. I was busy with some family matters, but not the car wins low type.

Ah, shit. Like I was going to take a sip and then say it, but it was too late. It was way too late. As soon as I said family matters, I better cut everyone off at the past to get to family matters. I saw two films over the last two weeks. One, which was the Grand Budapest Hotel, which is by our friend, Wes Anderson. Ah, our personal friend.

Yes. Old high school buddy. Yeah. You like Life Aquatic with Steve Zizzo. Yeah, I saw Life Aquatic. We love Fantastic Mr. Fox. Sure. Go see Grand Budapest Hotel.

It's the exact same film that he always likes to make. Okay. It was pretty fucking hilarious. I love Ray Fiennes and we all like Ray Fiennes in Bruges, right? Bruges. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of the way he screams and swears. But in this, he's like this really amazing concierge at the Grand Budapest Hotel and

he constantly goes into prose and poems in critical moments of life and he's hanging off the edge of a cliff and this assassin that's played by William Defoe. Nice. Who constantly cracks his knuckles and never says anything and he's hanging off the edge. I can see this. He's hanging off the edge. He goes, oh, if life is to give me but a fleeting chance, I would just and then his friend who's been behind the killer knocks the killer off the cliff and he goes, oh shit, you got him

in the middle of his poem. It was and there's a scene where William Defoe throws. Oh, geez. What's the actor's name? Jurassic Park guy, Malcolm. Steve Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum.

He's talking to Malcolm and he's like, no, no deal. I'm not making a deal with you. And Malcolm and William Defoe happens to be stroking his cat like you do. Yeah, stroking his cat and he throws it out the window all of a sudden. The cat. And then he goes, did you just throw my cat out and he looks outside the window and there's just this red spot. Oh no.

Yeah. So it was really charming and funny and like it goes in all these crazy directions. Everyone's in it. Between, okay. Well, I noticed you were listing off like names. But that's, that's, that's Wes Anderson, right? Yeah. So between the movies you listed and I'm going to throw on as well the Royal Tenant Bombs.

Which is it more like? It's a mix of Royal Tenant Bombs because there's so many kooky weird characters and they all they're looking for money. But it's a lot like Fantastic Mr. Fox as well. Like the, like an Owen brother is in it. George Clooney has a role. Bill Murray is in it. I know.

He has to be. The girl that played Hannah and Hannah, she's got a great little role in it too. Like everyone's in it. Where's Bill Murray's Oscar? Not in his house. It should be. He should retroactively win one for Groundhog Day. Yeah.

Absolutely. He's, he's, he's gone off the indie cliff now, man. Groundhog Day is so awesome. I also saw Oculus. I'm not sure. Not The Rift. I know, I know the name of the film, but I don't want anything about it. It's called Oculus.

I don't replace TVs. It did, it did not. Maybe in a few decades. The Zuckerberg was like, oh shit, that's the one I wanted. Fuck. Why didn't you guys tell me? Because you yelling at us. It was a really good movie that had, that had no one really in it.

Just a little random horror movie. And it's about this mirror. Oh, that one. That's, that's from Scotland. And everyone that's ever owned it has died. This is just one. Straight up old time, he cursed items. This is one where under his breath, Pat was like, fuck.

They always get me. In the movie theater that you freaked out about. Oh, yeah. But you knew, we both knew the jump scare is coming. I've already been sitting there and I'm like, jump scare in four, three, two, one. And we both knew. Jump. Wait, wait, every time.

God, is this the one that we saw? What was the last movie we saw? The Raid. No, no, no. It wasn't Before the Raid. Oh shit. Because there was one with a mirror before the raid. There were two horror movies we saw before the raid.

But this one's about this cursed mirror that this brother and sister have in their family. Their father and their mother slowly go nuts. Then the movie just goes jumps forward and then they're like, we have to destroy that mirror. They both went to the same asylums and they got halfway houses. Mirror troubles. And they go back and the girl, she got on her feet faster than the brother. And she's like, I've set everything up to destroy the mirror. But you can't just destroy the mirror.

If you try to destroy it, the mirror's influence just makes you not destroy it. You always find some way. And nature finds a way. Like that sponge from Goosebumps. Exactly. And she sets up all this stuff to try to destroy it. And she goes, we have to be hydrated because the mirror also makes you forget to hydrate. And there's all that stuff.

That's so hard. That's so much sad of Goosebumps. Because she's tracked the history of the mirror. And people that try to have showdowns with the mirror die by locking themselves in rooms and never getting out. Because it changes reality around you. So it makes you think you're drinking water and you're actually drinking a thing of nails. That's not good. That's fucked up.

So it makes you think. So in the movie. So you want to have like, you want to be sloshing around. You want to drink so much water. So there's all this stuff. But it was actually peak. The mirror has an area of influence and it's making things die. Like plants.

And they have plants every couple of seasons to see where the influence is. So the entire movie is the one showdowns. And then there's just jumping back in the past to show you what happened to the van. I got to ask it. It was a really clever and smart. Yes. It was an awesome movie. The ending out could have gone another way.

I would have liked it. But it was really good. It was really good. That sounds really neat. So is it the type of movie that we're going to see a Silent Hill influence the game by in the future? No. Silent Hill The Mirror. Silent Hill's gone.

Yeah. Plus Silent Hill The Room was already kind of that. But that's what I mean. That's where I was going with that. Just play Book of Memories and cry. That shit is gone. They already did the mirror thing in zero. Yeah.

That's an interesting premise though. Yeah. It reminded me of like an 80's movie in that sense. As long as it's scary because of the situation and not because of the jump. Yeah. There wasn't really any jumps. It was like there's jumps in the past where it's like the father's going nuts. But like it's jumps and it's horror.

It's like the girl going like we have to also eat and she's eating an apple and she looks and it's a bulb. Oh shit. And her mouth is like all cut up. And then she starts freaking out and her brother runs in and goes what? And then she looks and she had nothing in her hand. She's like what the fuck? That's a mirror.

Dude that's awesome. That's a dick. That's a dick. And then my grandmother asked me like why but I would have liked some story. Why was the mirror so evil? And I'm like no. The cursed items background doesn't matter. No.

No. It doesn't matter but I said they did explain. I said it's from Scotland. It's from an old manner. And more importantly they're banking that part six would be where the explanation comes in. Yeah. Because we know how horror movies work.

Was that your week Matt? That's how horror movies work now. I did lots of other stuff at Hookers. So I read a horror manga called Portis. It's about a cursed item as well. What's up with the curse this week? That's why I'm taking this. Is this podcast cursed?

Possibly if you listen to it backwards. No this podcast is not cursed. It might be in about an hour's time. We'll see. We'll see exactly. I read this manga called Portis. It's a standalone manga about a cursed video game called Portis. Okay.

I wrote it off as Woolly can attest because I told them I got scared reading it on the Metro in the morning. People around. Cool. That's good. It was right at the beginning and I'm not great with horror stuff anyway. It was really scary. You big baby.

But about a third to a half way through. Yeah they tough guy like that is. I'm not. I'm not a big short tough guy like him. It just trips all over everything and just botches everything. So like you just said they should never explain the backstory. Well that's the key thing that happens. Why is it evil?

You know what's way more satisfying than a bad explanation? I don't know. It's just so evil. Let's just keep seeing it do evil things. So like they go into the explanation. It becomes such like a bland Japanese horror movie where it's like oh it was cursed because a man in a backwater town in the country went and killed everyone and the kid who he killed was so anguished.

It is. Oh my god. The curse explanation and in a lot of cases the fantasy or sci-fi explanation for bad thing is never as interesting as the one you came up with in your head. Well the only like decent example I can really think of in recent memory is probably American Horror Story where a lot of fucked up shit happens but then they slowly explain what's going on and the explanation is actually as interesting as you'd hope it would be. Sure.

That's so easy to fuck that up. Yeah very easy. That's what happens. When the whole crux of the thing is one book, one house, one mirror. See I think it can work if you made the story and that's part of the story as you were writing it but if you write your story and the cursed item is a contrivance. Yes. And then you later go back it's like we need more stuff.

It's not a contrivance anymore and what's the reason. You better have the best stand explanation ever. Yeah exactly. But yeah and like the cursed item did the generic thing of just like psychologically haunting the person and they would see stuff around them. But it was still really scary. And were there Sadako types running around? No.

Well not quite. It was a little boy but he didn't appear and run around and anything. You'd see visions of like a floating circular head and like some really freaky stuff. I showed you the art was really detailed and nice. Yeah yeah yeah. He's always here. Because usually the scariest thing in Japan is a girl with really long hair and white ropes.

Yeah. That's what ghosts look like 90% of the time out east. The scariest thing in Japan is a game made in America. Oh snap. But yeah the first third of it was really good. Man that thing botched it up. Otherwise this week I played a lot of Soul Sacrifice because Delta's coming out next month and I wanted to remember.

Is that a transfer? There's a transfer but it's not a super like one to one direct thing. You keep tons of stuff and I'm not. But it's bonuses it's not like you get to keep your character. You get like massive experience bonuses depending on how far your character was. So it's really good transfer but not like one to one. I'm excited for that game so I'm playing through that. I went up to the countryside for Easter and I saw my family.

I haven't seen them since Christmas. Happy Easter everybody. Yeah happy Easter everyone. Festival of orgies and rabbit humping. I thought it was Esther. Esther or Yostar. Bunny's fuck like. Bunny's.

And you should too. Then take shits on the floor. Oh wait no that's also when Jesus was. Damn it. We walked ourselves into a corner. There's that too. They all happened on the same day. It's a coincidence really.

Yeah and I didn't do a whole lot while I was there but I did get to play some more J-Stars and boy that game just grinds to a halt. The music doesn't save it? There's only so many times. So don't you know Sadame can only bring it back so many times. Exactly like there's like 24 really great songs in that game. There's only so many times that those can be the saving grace of a game. Yeah okay.

Yeah so I can't really recommend that game. For the 70 Japanese dollars they're selling it for. Wonderful. Please wait for the localization and sale where it's $10. Yeah. It's not great. That's probably it. It means the localization will never happen.

It might. Just because there's so many characters. Oh yeah just they copyright like Ultimate Something Superstars. Whatever. And it's like what other game would that be and they just did JoJo as well. So maybe. Maybe that rights fiasco is getting easier. Well now that you've got cross boring and.

Okay let's. Which cross. People don't know what you mean when you say cross boring. Now that you've got project cross zone. Because that could have been cross Tekken. You're right. You're right. But cross Tekken is just cross Tekken.

You're right. We say cross Tekken. Exactly. So no you got project cross zone. You've got. JoJo. JoJo's All Star Battle as well. And you've got Tatsunoko versus Capcom that got localized here.

That was yeah. It's like you go whoa these crazy impossible casts are suddenly they're finding a way. Well because guess what it's actually not that absurd. Like you just write some emails and people will be like yeah we want to we want to. Do you want some money. It already exists. And I mean like anime is booming here. So like whatever.

Yeah. Cool. Not bad. Yeah. And the last thing I did in the country. I mentioned it to Matt earlier. Would you kill anything. No.

Not this time. It was Easter. We were busy eating things. Matt we killed. Matt we killed at one point. I gave my brother a couple odd Xbox games. Oh yeah. One of the games I gave him was Vanquish.

Yeah. And I was like I don't have a copy of Call of Duty or Battlefield to give you because you know he's a 13 year old boy. That's what they're into these days. But I'm like Vanquish is the best shooter that came out this generation. Yeah. Opinions. He's like what is this dumb robot shit.

So he played the tutorial and he's like man this tutorial sucks and I'm like it sucks. And he played the game and he's like wow this is really fun. And I'm like yeah. And he's like I want to tell my friends about this. Yeah. I was like yeah do that. You're doing good work. You're doing good work.

And I was just like man man I hope none of them want to play multiplayer because then it's over. Because that's the first place it goes. Exactly. You're like awesome. Okay jump online. Yeah. Vanquish with multiplayer would be unplayable but boy would I love to watch it.

But you know we said Max Payne multiplayer is was it would be impossible. Guess what. It sucks. Yeah. It sucks. Yeah. And it sucks. I'd rather have the perfect single player alone.

But like were you confirmed to do more marketing for Vanquish than Sega did. Were you guys like me where back in the day you were trying to think of how to make bullet time work in a multiplayer environment. Yeah. Of course. But it's like there's a point you get to where you realize you're better off thinking of anything else. Well that's to me that's when I came up with the time stop bubble.

Like the area of effect. And then you factor in netcode and hit detection and go fuck off sacrifice everything. Because you think of like the matrix online and you go oh my god that sounds terrible. Because you you go can you actually slow down a server to dodge a bullet. I am I am aware of two games that use time shenanigans like that that are multiplayer online games. One is Eve online with the time dilation stuff when huge battles happen where time slows down in zones in which there are tons of people.

But that's just a stop gap to get enough servers up so that Eve doesn't just die. And the second one is a killing floor which is a arena based survival wave based thing left for death. And they basically just ran like on the server the server just randomly prox bullet time for 10 seconds. And since it's all players versus AI like it's co-op like it's all of a sudden bam okay bullet time go do good do good and take as many headshots as you possibly can. I hope you're not running down a staircase yeah yeah yeah I'm sure there's games out

there that like we don't we don't know that probably have solutions for this of course yeah stranglehold try to have multiplayer I can't remember I don't remember either. Because the holy grail of that is that like the one player could do it while the other players do not. And then you have stuff like dragons crown and like D&D where one player is being a shit yeah well like I said if you have the bubble where it's like if you're within my area then we are slow but everyone else is like the only way I could think it could happen in something like a shooter it would have to use a controller and the aiming speed would

have to be locked to a certain like turn speed so that when you say you pop bullet time my aim speed drops by 90% so even if I can see you there I cannot physically turn and shoot you in time while you move at regular speed. I think stranglehold tried to do something like that and I'd never heard of it because I guess it didn't work very well. Or like that server wide I like that server wide thing random slowdown if there was like a map where it's like a certain area of the map you all know this is the area where this happens that it doesn't end up being like a power that is player controlled it's map

controlled or whatever but anyway yeah you're weak. So Matt you watched good things did you watch bad things Liam you read a thing about a cursed video game. Oh is this where we're going? I did both of those and I watched a bad thing. I watched a bad thing in its entirely watched all 25 episodes and then went why why did I watch all of it it was terrible it was so awful do don't do to watch log horizon. Oh okay okay thank you thank you Matt thank you because I also want to say don't watch

log I don't want to thank you Pat. The reason why you're responding this way is because okay log horizon is the other MMO trapped in an MMO. In recent times. So me and Liam in recent days I think was last podcast we bitched about Sword Art online turning to the utter garbage so people said you know what you should do you should watch the other one. I brought it up to you Liam a while ago because I remember I said I saw someone saying like

fucking best friends will never talk about really good shit like log horizon. What happened with me I was like so what's the deal with this show? I struggled to get through the first episode and then struggled to get through the second episode. First of all the first 10 minutes of this show is some of the most embarrassing tropey garbage I've ever seen and the OP is this awful Japanese rapper singing the dumbest crap it is so bad it's bad it is so bad and I go okay I was warned that the first episode is god awful I will watch the second and the second is not quite as god awful but it's

not marginally better either. Then the first arc is terrible and I'm like okay maybe the second and I just ended up watching the whole thing waiting for it to get good and I've never seen so many episodes wasted on nothing on nothing nothing happens in that show. The premise is the whole we got trapped in an MMO you don't die when you die you just respawn and NPCs have personalities sure but it's like the primary antagonist for 25 episodes is that they're bored they're just bored they don't know what to do with their time so like the whole first season is like why don't we build an economy like I don't give a shit

there are no stakes there's a huge huge huge why don't they want to escape the MMO the end of the first season the main character literally says I could probably figure out a way to get leave but it's fun here so then so then so then well they've made it less boring before complete dismissal but fuck before complete dismissal no no complete dismissal but I'm just saying like um therefore a story like that would rely on the strength of interpersonal character relationships right right right so they're fine they're okay at best okay they're okay at best but not worth carrying the entire no god in the first episode they reveal the main character has glasses and he does the stupid I push up my glasses thing so often

that it becomes a joke and and the second late characters actively mock him for doing it and because it happens so often and the secondary male characters huge fucking pervert interesting and then in the first episode there's a girl who willingly takes a potion to assume a more like a form could be a physical form and she becomes like a stupid lolly whatever girl okay and it's come on they spend four episodes on a huge fight scene and treat it as if it has huge personal stakes when the worst that will happen is they will respawn and then they add stakes in and only lasts for 11 minutes before being hand waved away it is it is so bad when is it so generally gonna catch an anime where someone is doing the glasses thing and everyone's like

dude just fix your fucking glasses like if they fit right that won't happen maybe it's already happened I don't know if you have good fitting glasses because cool guys love to do it yeah if you want to watch a good anime go watch captain earth it's a cool new mecha show about mechas and don't watch log horizon jesus i would log horizon i would rather watch the first arc of sword art twice than watch that shit again and sword art's terrible and well this comes with the caveat that you guys that both of you are really into the trapped in an mmo i can't wait till it happens super hard yeah it's the whole reason i was able to get through sword art go read a shitty book called kilobyte it's better sword art is aggressively awful but

i was so in love with the concept yeah that every time the plot wasn't happening i could get it up but this crap doesn't even oh and that's and that's the thing that i was again discussing with you Liam is that i think right um this i don't want to call it a genre but this sub-genre sub-genre like it's not inherently interesting to me so like i need a lot more than just the premise and it's the premise that makes it good though unfortunately that's and that's all there is like no but i mean sorry i mean not just the premise of that but the premise of the show specifically where like in sword art you die and it's like oh we gotta it there's they they lay out the objective and the writers are so mistakes the writers are so aware of their own bastardization of the premise

that in the first episode a guy says in these kinds of stories don't you usually die in the game and die in real life guess not oh well and then they walk off camera and you're like fuck hand wave well i mean you know that that could be them trying to be doing something to try to do something different but if it ends up not working and even worse than that fucking show still managed to like trigger that crack addiction that i've been fighting since wow came out and i'm now uh resubbed to Final Fantasy 14 and played all weekend your your realm has been reborn yes the realm of your of your loins i i'm glad we got to talk about log arising i'm i'm back in ff 14 there you go and i well that gaff guild's pretty doesn't even matter if you're i was gonna

say like are you enjoying it but it doesn't matter i i am that question is irrelevant i'm enjoying it a lot but i'm fully aware that it's like just fulfilling this debt like i have an hour why not just throw it away and and 14 is not bad at all it's good so that's the problem yeah all i've tried a bunch of mmo since wow came out and i've always quit immediately because they're all kind of awful like guild wars had problems and terror was embarrassing uh but 14 is actually like really really good like there's nothing wrong with it at all they fixed it so there's there's there's no like i can't like with terror i could see the pedophile shit driving me away and it did ha and with guild wars like the the the weird mechanic changes drove me but this one i'm not

sitting there getting in and going like oh this is one i'm gonna quit like i can't see it ahead of me it's just fun when the addiction meets like some awful part of the experience it's just really well put together and i'm like oh shit shit everything's good like from the presentation to to the gameplay everything's just good yo Liam can we like go to korea and just play that fucking ridiculous game played in Seoul with the best character creator ever black black sand and then the best gameplay ever please don't be a disappointment i think it's black sand like that's what's really frustrating it's like you look at uh that would you would play the black sand blades black sand like you mentioned that it's like that's korean mmo and it you look at it like

it looks like it plays super well yeah right but it's likely rife with other problems that exactly uh that's been this weird issue with all the different countries style the korean ones now play like action games and they play like decent action and i really liked uh what's that fucking one that's just dungeon raids and it's an action game through and through i don't remember ah fuck but like that's what why i play taric's play with controller it plays like an action game the japanese ones are all party based and now there's only 14 dude i tried and then the western ones are all free to play i tried playing onigiri which is a japanese uh mmorpg uh oh my god is the blandest most nothing like super shit jrpg i've played in a long time i mean mmorpg that i've played

in a long time it's just super weird it's like every country or region has the one thing that they're good at and you look at it like can't you can't one of you get it just steal the the the thing from the other games or form a company of the best of all of you can't can't like i hope that's what titan is just wait i hope that's just like wow stole everything just wait for canadian mmo's man they're so they've stilled it fuck well you yeah hey how was your week well thanks for asking guys we're getting i was winding down i was winding down well i had to hate on mmo's are ruining my life again yeah cool fuck log please consult a doctor if you're still thinking about log horizon after a day uh doctor will prescribe you more so i have no like what's your week

well i'll just be grateful it was like well no really but there's a couple things that's worth covering one um walk like an egyptian who saw it coming i didn't i didn't and i feel stupid jojo's ending is walk like an egyptian that's so great it's so perfect and now we look dumb because last week we were like oh no it wasn't in this episode of course it's not you don't know where they're going yet but now you know and now we know and they did it and they had the jojo man train shot it was so dynamic there's there's there's two man train shots right there's that one and there's the full one and then there's the first one yeah the full one has yet is icky in the second man train no no because he's not a man he's a big egg then you need the vertical yeah but well he's a male dog

isn't he yeah he can do it but the man train needs to be tightly knit it needs to be very tightly knit fair enough um love that those visuals on the ending um beautiful yeah fucking just jojo going hard nothing else to say there yeah um you know what else is going hard game of thrones it's really good that's that's all that's it more followed up emotions of like holy shit holy shit things are happening um it's just just to say that like the last episode of beast name you see the title of it um uh the i don't remember but it was the breaker of chains the breaker of chains yes yes no uh this season is like a season of eventful things and it's really cool to see like pace moving although i said on my twitter is why i put one like little comment saying why does the editor feel the need

to cut to sam at all and people said sully sam does some things you like sam probably no no like sam because uh tyrian squire is kind of the sam character and he's way better no here's why because they have you read the books i haven't there's probably a payoff there so someone said he does stuff later and the other thing is i've been talking to somebody who's uh who knows what has been added and what's been changed and stuff and like the stuff that they're changing and the stuff they're adding in really seamless works well makes sense you know um except for the hbo mandated things well sure right you gotta have some tna in there and now but now you've got to you gotta have some t and d all over the place at the same time my game of thrones going hard love it um

um also this week uh this weekend in particular or last weekend i should say uh someone just messaged me and was like yo um maximillion is streaming k i he's doing one of his room things and he mentioned you on the stream and to be down to play some games if you're down and i'm like to get my ass beat in front of everybody let's let's go did you watch one like uh was it wednesday night this week no no no it was this weekend it was literally like two days ago oh yeah i watched it all man yeah um i bet max feels real confident challenging us yeah no but it was because somebody somebody took my name and then like subscribed and started like a woolly name and i went yo fuck that i'm here too and i said i'm the real woolly you know and then it was like and then a

baby needs attention and then a third woolly showed up and it was like okay but we all subscribed so it's here sportacus we're helping him out and stuff it was fun and i was like shit let me let me boot up like my the game and my console and i was like oh crap i need to download this xbox update because i haven't turned it on in so long oh no and i'm just supposed to do that automatically well now it does this update i feel like every single piece of hardware that does that i run into the same thing yeah where i like oh just does automatically and then because you buy it brand new yeah and then you don't turn it on for walk because you're waiting for stuff and it's like you have four updates to go the Wii U one was the worst that was awful i think the ps4 is the

only one that did it out of the box i think so which is great but but you definitely had this like now it'll do it in the background but until but before now sitting there waiting so i'm looking at it i'm watching the stream like come on come on come on and then i load up ki and it's like you have a 6.8 gig download i'm like ah that full gore yeah because i just haven't touched it in a while so you know what it just didn't happen i was loading up the game the entire you were describing what PlayStation 3 owners have been dealing with for years yeah but i was on a clock because i was like let me see if i can just get in and get exactly and i couldn't dude there are times matt came over to record and i mean let's pop this shit in it's like 48 minutes to download it's like

we're not recording this shit yeah pretty much um you know so but but that was that was a cool thing shout outs to max's stream for like doing a little um i guess get make he makes lobbies and then people fight each other and he commentates over them and then occasionally gets a few matches in right and then makes another lobby and like it's just a fun little show okay we see see now it was a good time for max to put this challenge out there because he got to see friday night fisticuffs no and just be like yeah yep yep they're ass yeah there was a comment on the vanilla episode that said man i wish i was good street fighter like these guys and i was just like no like because not only are we not good at street fighter but like this is a street fighter that

we haven't played in years and there's rust on top of us not every episode of fisticuffs will come with with your established rust and for somebody to watch that footage and go like man i wish i was good at fighting like actually you let it out of the bag though oh you're blushing furiously beyond that uh i also spent some time this week uh just jumping back on the cabin rider going through where i left off i'm still we're still working on cabuto still cabuto yeah because i stopped yeah like five years ago because um i was like because at work there was a friend of ours that's like a guitar player and he's like super yeah so i showed him cabin rider sabaki and he like flipped his shit dude i had a conversation with him about this kind of stuff like a week ago

it is nuts he has like an encyclopedic knowledge and he does not strike me is that no at all so it was really surprising and i was like okay you like this stuff you like power rangers let me show you what cabin rider is and like and i showed him sabaki with the guitar and all the cool shit he was like okay i need to learn about what japan has been doing with this thing that i like you know um then i would just went home and i was like fuck i need i need to keep i need to keep going i need to keep a pace you know so i jump back i'm gonna get ahead of me yeah you know um so i'm going through that as well cabuto is just such a perfect mix of cabin rider and weird drama like super asian drama like j-drama j-drama k-drama they take like a five so break to have a cooking fight

in that show there's cooking fights like every couple of episodes there's like a huge stretch where like nobody turns into a cabin rider no worms showing up cooking let's just turn into fucking gto drama version gto is so good in every gto is so good in every version okay i on crunchy roll i noticed that um um gto uh shanghai is it sure or one of them's up there or gto something i think it's that prequel where he's a biker no no no no no no no this is live action okay and this is this is live action with him is it like the 2012 like the recent ish one it must be because it's it's a current run on crunchy roll and i was like i haven't heard of this does anyone know if it's good i didn't because i was gonna watch jojo oh okay i'm like i will find

out later but i want to watch start us crusaders radio i want to stand proud yeah um and the last thing was um stand proud again i don't know yeah no well uh just like play some dark souls and uh like i kind of was you know trying to show my girlfriend some games and she was getting into them and stuff and um like she was getting kind of like she was having a really hard time playing tomb raider for example she's like oh no the guys are rushing me down and i can't handle all the stuff going on and she's watching this you want to protect her probably i think um that comes with playing too but yeah and she was just getting nervous of what was happening and it was just funny because uh she's watching dark souls and was kind of like hey so this game seems a bit more quiet

and you know like it's slower pay yeah do you think this is the kind of thing that and i was like i i i answer is maybe just let her play it i don't want to be the guy is it maybe yeah yeah is it slower pays but but like this is like like that is a video game wall with no explanation and she really needs guiding kind of things so guide her yeah well that would that would be an incident instead of leaving her to her own devices i suppose but i just i was kind of looking at the harm and letting her try i just to me i looked at it and i went i i hate being that guy but i just don't think you're possibly ready for this if you haven't made it through any third person games ever because my girlfriend was like yo i want to play toky then and i'm like yeah play

toky then and we played toky then okay and it's just like yeah my fives all around i guess i guess maybe a lot of plans dark so maybe but i'm just like like maybe you just need to grasp third person camera movement a bit first and the the you know games that won't you don't even know a third person camera movement yeah no shut up i mean i mean like if you've never gone through any of these types of no i get you you need some kind of primer maybe this is not the best thing to break your teeth on i don't know that's all i don't know maybe we started on nes hard i guess whatever anyway you were a fetus i was i playing nes games i still grew up with an nes pretty impressive i'm surprised i wasn't expecting you guys to be like fuck it throw everyone in the deep end like

it's not even really the deep end it's there there's like there are certain attributes of your modern game that can be just as difficult or more difficult than the parts and dark souls than you find um troubling like dual analog control trips up a lot of new players and the overall speed of most current games is super fast but but what i'm trying to establish is the difference between someone who like is not as experienced or like not uh a frequent player of this stuff versus someone who is new to games you know what i mean like the only there's a huge the only difference between the only variable for something like the soul series is whether or not somebody can bang their head against something until the wall breaks right and that that has no

bearing on how long you've been playing games or how familiar you are with games it's just like do you have patience i i guess man but like i like i paused it to look at my my stat screen or the like you're looking at the level up screen and then just this graph of numbers comes up and i'm like her eyes would just glaze over yeah but you don't even look at that graph of numbers i don't look at that graph i look at the ones that are relevant to my magic just just when when when she pulls that up and she's like whoa it's a lot of numbers bill yeah ignore that you only need like only need these four no i think you're giving bad advice i think it's not a good to game to break your teeth i don't know because at the same time like twitter is kind of an uninteresting game

but and a terrible like 90 percent of western shifu leh games are just uninteresting so she's interesting right i disagree and i think that like the part that she got up to which was like around shantytown right um she was enjoying what was happening but just couldn't handle the the gauntlet of combat that that showed up shantytown's really like unfun like gauntlet i didn't know that so like so like she would basically hit the breaking point of every battle by the time it was done and at this point it was like okay this is now three times as long of a battle and you couldn't i can't handle it man this this discussion really makes me hate tomb raider now sure because like i i'm not a big fan of the new tomb raider i think it does a lot of things fucked up

but when you're talking about the new tomb raider and every single moment that you discussed was about the combat yeah and i'm like but that's the uh fuck like no in any case i'm usually talking about the puzzles or the exploration yeah um but no i'm just i'm just picturing like again someone brand new at games trying to beat the loss center and it's like no man you're just afraid she'll do it easier even better than me which is better than you guys she'll show you up and she'll only use a crossbow oh god i just watched a 50 on the way over here i watched a 50 minute review by a guy named uh yeah matthew mitosis something like that on youtube on why dark souls 2 is not as good as the other ones just like he's great you know irish he sounds like he's gonna i don't recall i watch

but just basically and he also did a bio shock one about a review that's like fucking exhaustive breakdown of every single thing truly and oh man but the thing like i've been seeing like but besides you guys opinions there's i've been catching more people kind of feeling like yeah that we kissed one in the series and such but this is all no i'm not dismissing whatever i'm saying this is always just be like that this is all the perfect angsty look away um but this is all relative to the same series itself and not like yeah so established so he spends 50 plus minutes dumping on dark souls 2 for every flaw and but you have to go back and look at like one of the very first things he says is that i would way rather play dark souls 2 than

almost everything else that currently exists on the market right right right but compared to its immediate predecessor it's just not all that it's like when street fighter 2 came out all those really shitty fighting game clones came out a lot afterwards it's like you know and then you went from hyper fighting to super and you're like oh super is not hyper fighting but it's better than that well yeah over there literally right like before we started recording we were dumping on super yeah because it's a bad version of street fighter but within the versions that we have within that era i'd still rather play super than anything else perfect same thing for i think i think why is it you or is it liam they're like yo shut up about mario sunshine it's good

mario sunshine is good i have i have it's terrible mario but but compared to every other mascot platform especially the mascot platformers that came out in that time yeah even the era of vex how much you like how the kangaroo and scaler shut up let me go get you ninja bread man yeah yeah so all this really is not even a game what this means for you is that you have like the world is at your feet yeah i don't know this exactly because you'll go through dark 2 and you're like that was awesome i but i just only gets better from here but i just need to always verify with with the people that are saying these negative things because i'm enjoying the game yeah like like you're really only just comparing the rest of the series the game is a nine the way i just the way i described it

is that the game is a nine in a world in which most great games are eights and the the prequels were elevens okay okay to me the game is a nine in a world where a tomb raider is a six okay you know like yeah we're pretty much saying the same thing yeah it's tomb raiders a great game i'd give it all like a five did you see all the rpg elements it's because it's kind of like you know something i noticed like walking through like evil for example yeah it's like there's different games happening in different corners right and the clicks are all together so you've got like your anime fighter crowd you got your anime fighters and specifically the blazeball guys and the guilty gear guys and you know they stay away and you've got the mortal combat guys and like as you walk around the one

thing you notice is besides the hype everyone really the parts of the game they don't like they dump on them hard yeah hard because they're the best equipped to jump and the thing is is that so you're you're dumping out of love like because you're like i'm super into the scene it's a it's a given that we all care about this to therefore when i say that this is shit yeah i'm really saying with the baseline of we all love this thing probably the best example of that for the souls series is the the matthew brings up in his video he says the the fight against the great gray wolf syph in dark souls one is one of the best boss fights ever it's amazing the fight against the royal rat authority in dark souls two is the same boss fight but worse in every way it's exactly the

same just worse and you can point here here here here the size of the enemies the scale the arena the mechanics everything i had very little trouble making it through that but it's not the trouble authority not the royal rat vanguard okay also it's not the trouble that's the point all right it's the fact that this exact idea was executed better yeah prior and and it's the same it's it's it dark souls two is is made by from software's b team like and their b team is better than almost everybody else's a team but it's still clearly the b team and i just hope that their a team is working on demon souls i would love for their a team to be working on demons or something new to make something original like nothing would depress me more than to hear that like me a zaki

got kicked back to make an armored core expansion well before you even got kicked up to making metal wolf two yeah sure is it possible and i'm just throwing this in like as my brain's just juggling ideas because from softwares made a ton of shit is it possible to make a game like dark souls in its execution that's not high fantasy a hot yeah totally sure but there's a there's a really specific place that that genre comes from and it comes from me a zaki as a kid reading english fantasy novels but his english was not great so he was never able to get all of the details so he would make shit up to fill the blocks and that's the the the core design element behind everything the souls there's there's a game by from software called like the the shadow tower the dark tower

or something and it is that it is fantasy but there are guns in that game and like you can shoot the wings off of harpies and shit and like yeah totally interesting uh they can do it because i'm just like you know the setting of a bunch of big horrible mindless monsters standing around waiting for you want to grow them you want to you you want cybersouls but you but i don't think you i don't really know why would a big thing just be standing there waiting to be aggro do you know i like it would i think you can do it would have to be in like the post post apocalypse yeah yeah yeah like smt does it really well thematically like dds and stuff c3 and 4 basically yeah or basically dark souls but in an rpg form like tonally as well let's see what um below ends up being like

i i got i didn't saw some footage of that after we talked about it last week your character is so small yes yeah no when i said the environment is the main character i know but like this is the ultimate example of that makes me really upset because i everything about it draws me in and then i see something like that i go deal breaker like how i can't stand beautiful joe because of the baby punches oh like tiny ass character on the screen i just don't care anymore shouldn't you relate to that i have that's why man no to me like the because the reason is we want to show you this world sure it's super acceptable i i get it and i'll still i'll still like take a look i didn't give it a shot i was fucking metroid vanias man that's why we love this

part of why we love your character and metroid vania is huge what i like about metroid vanias is the degree of control like sure yeah but i like a big part of like uh my enjoyment is always that the room you're in is a character sure yes not always i feel like you go into the clock tower for the first time and like you get the background the music everything going and you it's just wide open sprawling area and you're just a little sprite on the screen it's like this woolly this is this is a nitpicky thing that i am the person who in every jrpg up until like the fuck in 2006 i would bitch and scream and moan when your weapon didn't change when you equipped it yeah the visual okay like these kinds of character oriented things drive me insane

sure i mean you know and yes it's totally a big baby complaint because i'm like being a big baby i i i enjoy when i see nice big detailed sprites but again if there's a good reason for it you know anyway um what's new in the world man uh well let's start off with uh probably the biggest typist announcement maybe for liam if he caught it maybe you're out of town i possibly did final fantasy agito announced you know this game got announced like three months as a free to play game you know this game got announced like three months ago for ios so let's you already really let's in japan let's back up let's back up to second this news hit today apparently no the trailer the the the announcement the release date and stuff yeah oh and it's coming to the west as well

that's why lily's bringing it up let's back up just a little bit there was this thing called fabula nova cristalis in fabula nova cristalis ff 13 ff 13 versus or versus 13 and final fantasy 13 agito agito 13 agito was it were announced yeah 13 versus disappeared forever and resurfaced as 15 13 became 13 13 2 and lightning returns yeah and agito agito became type zero and then a different game was then also named agito which is the one we are talking about exactly which then got turned into a cell phone game that is free to play there's always a cell phone oh okay so it's what an amazing business so the agito that is announced here is not type zero no for anyone who doesn't know type zero is fucking excellent so it is a it is the best final fantasy sure you

regularly bother people i would i would say i know i would do on a level on a level nobody understands i would say that 14 is the only thing that even is like can argue there with it yeah and that's a genre argument but it like so we're not going to get the original agito which is type zero because square annex hates us give it time uh and they're like no english speakers go die no one owns a psp speculation speculation yeah bcc bcc sure i'm making that's a time man that's how i feel you want to make a bet sure what what year is is type zero coming out you want to say before the end of 2015 how about no more bets no but work out the current bet what are the don't we have two current beds i think the ps02 ps02 is the only one okay um i'm gonna win that

so but anyway so so type zero is a fantastic wonderful game that will come to america on a blue moon eventually okay hopefully i don't and then agito is the like tablet free to play mobile game that bastardizes it oh great we're gonna get that one real soon we're gonna get that one real soon yeah um and like this game from like the art direction to everything just totally shits on it the the free to play different battle system and everything uh and it just takes away from all the greatness that was the original i don't know about the story maybe that'll be something because they at least have writers at square annex is it this to me is it is it the same i i'm under the impression it's the same setting okay uh one of us rub the salt even deeper one of the things that

gets me the most about is i saw some screenshot comparisons where you see like an environment and you see creatures clearly designed for that environment right in type zero yeah and like it's beautiful and there's nice filters and everything looks artistic sure and in this one it's just like look it's the same setting with a different creature that looks totally out of place we ripped it from uh the other thing the level designer just shoved them together in a in a fit hey it's a free to play game who gives a shit um boy am i maximum unhyped for this game maximum maximum unhyped the meter what does that mean how's that manifest the meter is full empty oh boy and i saw this this morning and it said final fantasy agito come into

and uh oh no the article said type zero come into whatever because it's like yeah i just described no one knows what this game is and i was like yeah and i clicked through it and i'm like oh you meant ag oh okay well fuck me then not the same subscribe from this website forever thank you good day sir you know at least when you go to neo gaff and somebody does that they're doing it on purpose to troll you exactly when the website fucks up there's a fuck up oh your type zero is my before crisis man oh totally you know what we for actually forgot to bring up as we're discovering square um which this week uh the funnest hit man game came out in those last years we're gonna get some shit for this one did you plan um hit man go hit man go yeah is now when i hear that my brain

thinks card game it's so guess what it's an ios game that's a pure puzzle game and it's hit man and i know i wish i see i wish the listener could hear my face right i see your face i have this shitty i have this little smirk and i'm just nodding one one eyebrow slightly raised right yep okay so here's the deal though hit man go it's a puzzle game and it's basically like yeah and it's set up in the in the way that like imagine if you're pulling out a board game yeah setting up pieces and you're moving hit man each turn sure you have to hit kill enemies and get to your your mark so metal gear acid but with hit man it's no no because there's no rpg elements no nothing it's a puzzle pure puzzle okay okay but the idea of grid and you're moving on it you can keep that part of it

not a bad game and in fact it's quite good yeah i played it a bunch it's okay it just has very little to do with hit man well no it actually has a lot to do with it because it doesn't play like a hit man game but the theme is totally correct you are it's the perfect spin on age of 47 you're moving through the environment getting through the guards and and assassinating your mark sure and then getting your briefcase and escape whatever this but it's just it's just a way of like i guess re this game's relative quality i don't know like we didn't have like stung less if absolution wasn't just like well i mean you remember i o had their thing recently where they were like okay we know we fucked up absolution you fucked it up so you know if no if absolution was better and did better than

this would have not have been a sour you're right um but that being said salty dude and like i you look at this new the announcement for it comes out and i see the original like footage and like yeah trailer and stuff i'm like this is an interesting possible thing but you know what liam and i looked at the atb trailer and said hey maybe this is a thing and then right so this time around the amount of like goodwill lost based on atb this has got to be like unrivaled unreasonable amount so so with no reasonable amount and so with those and with those expectations where they are surprise surprise it turns out this is actually it's good pretty good one one of that so video game businesses if you want a game that people would ignore

on in other circumstances make sure to drive expectations through the floor well what i want to say actually was really weird because this should never have even been a thing so one of the things where i was like oh maybe this will be a thing is where i got into this ios store and i saw that it wasn't free yeah that was one of the first five bucks okay that's not okay that's not 20 there's no microtransaction grind everywhere anyway you can skip you can choose to skip ahead way far in the game by paying or you can just progress to it and there's no shit where it's like oh like if you are no energy meter no and i saw play and it's and i think this is a fan of the older hitman games like you know i saw the thing where there's like a blood money pack of

levels level set that redes some some old levels in this puzzle style and i went oh you mentioned you mentioned that and i'm like thinking about like how absolution was like kind of fucked up and i'm thinking backs like i when i see you and i love hitman would you say yeah leon you love hitman i've played only like the recent ones and okay so the old ones so i think you like hitman but i love the theme of like classy infiltration and get out sure but i'm talking in like series history so well you love hitman i love hitman when you think about it like half or more of all hitman games are awful like hitman one is like it's got some playable by modern standards experiment well it's got some levels that are that are rough i would say half of the levels in that game are just

fucked up like just super super fun but when hitman is on point though hitman two it's super amazing that's uh silent assassin right yeah i played that hitman two super awesome hitman three oh my god fuck contracts hitman four blood money amazing yeah yeah but it's like like i feel like even i did this when absolution came out and was just kind of okay it was fine like it was fine like somehow it being okay was worse than if it had been terrible right modern expectations like that's five games with two good ones and yet i still think in my head that i love hitman because because you do though because at the end of the day if one came out and was like looking pretty solid you'd be like yeah here's my money when it man's good it's so good

that's what i'm saying when it's on point it's fucking on point when was the last time it was good uh blood money blood money like seven years ago okay there's i mean now hitmen go so it came out it came out like 2007 2004 as we've been discussing for five minutes i don't know you don't know for good reason but anyway um yeah no um surprising like fun from the hitman game can we take a second to talk about spinoffs if that's okay yeah what spinoffs you want to discuss no just like general like i think the way to yeah but you need you need an example okay hitmen go i think the way to do a spinoff is nail the theme and that and do it totally and as long as it's a good game and the theme is dead right yeah and you're not trying to like change the the whole direction of the series

on i will i will agree with you 100 under one condition that the spinoff doesn't exist in a place in which it actively threatens the old gay old game to not exist as long as it doesn't like veer the whole series off and it stays a spin off and i don't want to say like keep it it has to stay pure but it's like respect the genre you're going into yeah you know and in the case of like this one it's like yeah this is pure puzzle uh kingdom hearts chain of memories wait actually that's mainline it's mainline is that a good game though um it's a mainline spinoff all of the fucking uh dancing all night and the dancing all night persona persona q's a spinoff yeah a spinoff that i'm really i don't but dancing all night you're sure nothing about q entices me

and there are some parts about it that make me actively like oh god your room's falling apart don't drop my sticks there are parts about that persona q that i look at it goes no yeah no but dancing all night you're sure about yeah well dancing all night at very least doesn't shit on characters yeah you haven't played it yet you're right but i can you but in q you can tell just from the trailer um it's like someone should be standing there's everywhere else for all of eternity shouldn't if if you watch if you watch this uh for star wars episode 10 or whatever that took play or whatever yeah star wars episode seven right that's the new one that's coming yeah yeah and it's like hey here's darth vader you'd be like wait wait what what yeah shouldn't darth vader

not be there god i want an f zero spinoff so bad you had one yeah smash bros no for real though it would don't we all don't we all spin off yeah just hey because there's lore man only when it comes out by gp legend on the we you i guess like if there's there's a way to put money into f zero just do it okay yeah mm-hmm there is not a way to put money in it gp legend it's a perfectly moving along moving right along uh the dog the naughty dog is thinning out what the fuck is going on it's losing weight the dog i had so many message me just an hour ago or however when i was on my way here just going a lot of people leaving dot naughty dog yeah well yeah and not like nobody's um like high level staff yeah so in this in this case nat wells uh the art director

for last of us uh left to join um the guys that did unfinished swan um sparrows sparrows something sparrow yeah so amy henig their primary writer uh nat wells who was the art director on last of us yep and another and another i forgot to do his name but like uh the he enjoyed it for director yeah it was just like left and a voice actor i think just was like they recast me or drachma drachma that's it drachma no no he's the one who's there still all right and everyone's like oh it's him i'm bad with these things like it's not him what the fuck is going on in that studio maybe that all your high level like super high level staff are going i'm out of here maybe something maybe nothing exactly right maybe they just are taking career opportunities it's like all of them

at the same time i see well no but what better time localized in your kitchen when you're riding high on the biggest thing i see i see two possibilities here they're riding high and the next thing they see they go or maybe i don't want to be here forever yeah now it'd be a really good time after uncharted three and last of us to go job hunting or they're rock stars and people are like yo how people are actively like hey you we need we need the last of us over here maybe like who knows we'll let you make what you're right but i think i think that's it it's like maybe something is up i can see i can see a meeting in which uh who the fuck's running ea now i don't even remember i uh uh pasta ronnie but what i can tell you where no no oh yeah he's gone you're right he's super

good anyway but they're just like is he i'm yeah no he's that was like a year i was like a while a long while ago we burned through the bio-ware doctors we need somebody in here knows what they're doing yeah get amy henig just get her i don't care um meanwhile like as we're talking about exodus is exodai exodai um the uh the music guy behind every halo game tweets i got fired for no reason for no reason like i don't know who knows who knows because that one that one's straight because he got fired so that one's really weird you don't want to renew his contract because he's asking too much but who knows something and he said he just he tweeted i got fired for no reason and then later uh the story updated with the official word from uh bungee which we're very confident with

destiny going forward despite the lack of it basically basically it was about that voice basically it was 200 words of man the music in destiny is gonna be so great by the way we're not working with this guy anymore and we left as friends don't the music destiny is gonna be great it's gonna be his music though i just want to say because there was a lot of people doing this and you were all laugh worthy all the people saying is destiny all right like the music guy left like yes it's all right well the music guy got fired but like yes it's all right the music's not going to stop it from shipping as as as storm of ruin you know i don't think it's i don't think it's in a concept of life is destiny not going to let no it's just people who are like the music he's

seriously yeah god oh because those those are the people that are just like yeah hey let the music halo is like a very important part of this and they're right about that that the music is a big part of it but it's just like those are the people who every time someone leaves they say what the fuck is going on at just hire and really it's not a conspiracy just hire just for kids or jeremy soul and you're done just for kids of god sure or one of our coffman you know sure everyone out there i know you have around that will just do they're around hey i need a like it's sold they just said hey we need the music for this fucking mmo for guild wars two make it and do it for the whole mmo yeah you know it's a soundtrack i know you haven't listened to darksiders too what by kid

i listen i listen to roughly half of that sound and it's fantastic progression bugs stop my playthrough ah well do shame on those so fuck everyone who tested that game yep i see him me i still have the um the uh jesper kids like assassin's creed one enter the animus track the 11 minute theme of like the bells ringing in shaman awesome um when you want it but it's like yeah don't go crying like conspiracies things are half blowing up behind the scenes if nothing's actually happening that being said unless you see signs of it such as amazing spider-man two for the x-bone getting canceled on um indefinitely postponed that one's really close to release this is that coming out this month or next month well no like in a week and a half oh it's coming out like so it's coming

out now and um they're like you know what the x-bone version guys you're just okay it's not coming so and i know a little bit about game development matt you know a little about game development so do you guys we know a lot about game development a whole of a lot of development what the fuck can possibly happen well we have a pretty good answer because everybody like every there are probably a lot of listeners that don't understand um like uh compliance and stuff like that but every time you see a game get randomly delayed for a week or two weeks or a month it's like they failed their certification they fucked up they didn't cross their t on something yeah so microsoft or sony and nintendo push it back yeah and say re-certify this yes that happens but

fucking canceling the game this is entirely indefinitely postponing or canceling this close to release and i struggle to come up with also there's a statement that came out afterwards saying we're working with microsoft to see if it's still happening right and then a part of that is that someone asked i think major nelson or someone what's the deal and they go that's a publisher issue we have nothing to do with it and it absolutely is yeah but but they're working with microsoft so pat you're going well what can possibly like crash bug that you can't fix like that that that certification failure that you described this would have to be a list of them multiple in a row right that it's like this would take six months to fix well basically that would

require restructuring the engine or something deep drastic deep in the code so also also probably a really unstable build oh sure yeah that probably just ties right into it i'm just gonna but but that doesn't that like that slows you down it doesn't hold you back so i'm gonna last minute i'm gonna make up an issue for like exemplar things and you tell me if this is like not this specific one because we don't know this game but this could cause like this a little problem said you write your your um your save game a certain way it's like this goes in this folder this goes in that folder and that's your save game that's rock that's your bedrock right and then you get all the way to the end and because of the cloud integration was saved microsoft said oh yeah you

can't do that you gotta you gotta change it to be like this that's a possible but then they're like but every single mission in the game has been tested to saving to this location yes you i can't just change it we have to retest the whole thing no exactly so uh that's and that's an example that totally has happened on games i've worked on where uh you get to the finish line and it's like your save structure is fundamentally busted you need to change the way the player saves his progress that's the problem is and this is something i think i can talk about we've talked about this before like like testers ship a bunch of games a year developers ship one game every two years so these mistakes aren't and nearly as obvious to them until they don't see these whereas

like we see them all the time in front of our face we have a thing is that every time the time it's our job is shown they've been showed they've showed the ps3 the 360 and the ps4 version every single version was never shown right and the other thing is that i saw some people in gaff saying microsoft has a if it doesn't show up on like the same day as the other versions it's not showing up you have a day-in-date clause the feature parody clause also yeah so one of the theories is it's not going to make it fuck it maybe re-release it with all the dlc or an extra mission or an extra mission or something maybe when european extreme yeah exactly or you know like being like we don't know what the fuck's happening that's the reasonable one it could do it could be

way crazier than that it could be like we made the game on this now put it into the port program oh no it doesn't work it doesn't port over it could shit it could be absolutely i don't i don't for a second think the bean ox is that incompetent no of course but like but but could be any you know but but it's it's not always like oh shit it crashes at boot yeah it's like it gets sometimes it's things that are just insidious way way deeper and way that being said it's still gonna look very good for anybody no it doesn't know i don't mean the game looks bad i mean like this situation makes no one look good no it doesn't you know bean ox looks incompetent despite whatever the problem actually is or whether it's probably a super legitimate problem and microsoft console looks

suspiciously like bad when this stuff happens and and and and microsoft both saying the opposite thing well no i mean microsoft says you have to ask the publisher about this and activision's like we're trying to make it work with them you know like the major nelson should know he's not allowed but it's not just really not his job what he should really say is i don't know yeah i know exactly yeah and you know like the the honest truth is is if he's being straight um everything is a publisher issue because your entire game is a publisher yeah you made it not what they wanted so weird so i bet there's a lot of hannery and going on at various different offices and let's go down and find out oh um so weird i are we gonna see more of that and then and then speak and then continuing

uh not with any level of consistency yeah but i can feel like we've got for the next year we got like three more of those no and not and i don't mean on the xbox either just like in general because the era of putting stuff out on five skews is clearly not working out one try ten skews for some companies like but there's no there's no predictable way to do that like at all like that's a complete guess this this next example of guessing three okay this next example of shit on fire in the development studio um it's not on fire it's not on fire where there's no need for any speculation because we have it in depth written up by jeff kealy got the receipts is the titanfall uh last hours of titanfall that was interesting did you did you listen we have no money we have to do this

and so in a year uh i i read i read the the highlight notes right that i pointed out um jeff kealy put together a sort of like behind the scenes documentary look at like what was happening within respawn while titanfall is being developed yeah and actually oh man journalists so so if i can remember like tell me if any of these are wrong because you're more familiar it's like brand new studio like setting up the studio yep like lack of money and having that like beg for more money which is a long standing issue with a lot of developers it's just like when they start uh we went over budget um ask for more money ask for more money now do we have the money i don't know where is it um uh new system brand new system changing from an old engine that was supposed

to be multi-plat for different systems there's a couple steps before that that you're even missing oh really so one of the other ones was huge internal conflict all the way throughout the awesome and that's yeah that's one of the big cruxes um but the other thing was the new console thing there was an interesting twist to how that went down if you didn't catch it i did not where they first went to sony and sony was like it's too early we're not talking with anyone but we'll help you make it into a vita game and they turned around and left right so i bet they did the three big so the three the three uh most interesting tidbits that's like gill is in that office with a vita oh come on come on we'll pay for it moves around old sony's door um no the the

three most interesting tidbits maybe you would have had single player with development like that what the hell was the internal conflict about uh well you can guess it you can guess it um active activision suing them because the dudes the the hedges studio left yeah they walked right so that led to um people were basically everyone's got fire extinguishers under their desks because like in the middle of working on the game at any time a google alert would pop up and go you're being summoned into the lawyer room go to the lawyer room and when you go in the lawyer room you're there for the rest of the day oh yeah so like possibly into the next day as well to the point where lawyers don't sleep quote unquote unquote half the studio was in legal battles nice during

the entire development process that makes a short development time way shorter literally half you know not no more than half because lost time is not equivalent to no time that's true it's actually like losing half a bunch of work in the middle is way more disruptive than just not coming in the word the next day yeah no it's true um it was rough man yeah that shit going on um there was that bit about yes they proposed uh not titanfall but the project they were working on initially was called r1 which is totally a code name for titanfall but like but like it was before they knew what titanfall was gonna be of course we're gonna make a sci-fi shooter of course but i mean it's the same game like no it actually wasn't that's what that's what i'm saying is like r1 went to xbox one and

then just became titanfall like it's the same game like it just was a different thing at conception sort of but it really was not the same game though that's the thing is like r1 was um it was like they're like we want to start a new project we have these ideas and we're throwing them all down on the table and people started working on it right yeah and then the concept for what titanfall would become was like a whole separate discussion that that like morphed and then dropped on top of r1 and turned it into this thing so like uh basically r1 was like yeah there were being pictures of you the thing like you covered and eventually that fell through it didn't work out they got titanfall out of it um and one of the coolest little tidbits about uh

some of the designs on how they made the titans was they didn't have the money as a new studio to even like have to get the computers and like rendering software altogether to mock up like mech designs fuck so they fucking started kit bashing they started grabbing model kits plastic model kits and merging pieces together that's like like they should come up with concepts that's the coolest ever because people that's like miyamoto swimming on his desk to illustrate how you should swim Mario right that's that's kajima blocking out the mgs1 levels in lego like the like that's the olden day because you know kit kit bashing is like a super old school thing that like dudes who are way into like model kits and stuff do just for fun and they're like okay grab the arm from this

and put the legs from that together yeah that looks but they're but they're not mecha to the point where they made a game about it but let's let's remember despite the designs literally being hashed together from mecha parts they're not mecha they're tight they're tight they're tight boy some of those old titan designs aren't great either but hey that's not what they shipped with this pretty cool and no but they shipped with this great that game like i hear all of that and the thing that i take away from that is that that game got fucked by its place in the release schedule that game should have come out in fall but it can't because ea is publishing it and there will be a different ea shooter of some kind this fall it'll probably be metal of honor and they don't want them to

compete i mean there definitely could have been a lot of better circumstances about its release sounds like it just needed more time in the oven um time in the oven is that's the key that's the key one and that's why like i think and a bunch of people uh believe that one time of all two happens it's that's going to be the good fantastic game yeah you know because the ground man one of mega man two the groundwork here i work on the groundwork here is totally fine we're just missing concepts awesome nuts and bolts you know hopefully it's not exclusive this time um well yeah by that time it'll be two to one it's not actually exclusive because it's on the pc too uh you know what i mean i want to say one of the most uh in uh what's what i'm looking for uh the illegitimate

ads i've seen recently was at future shop i saw yeah misleading i guess um was there was a titan fall ad and it said exclusively on xbox one and pc and i'm like are you joking like are you that version is are you fucking serious where's the 360 like no shut up though like are you serious just don't even pretend it doesn't exist don't look at him i know it's it's the relative that comes to the table and you just don't make eye contact it's very interesting to me that that like push did not stop even after the 360 version came out yeah like no marketing at zero and blue point fucking killed it and he did wizardry on that version yeah because it looks great marched out into the desert and left to die the fucking 360 version has the same maps and runs at 46 frames a

second but you know what blue point got their money so it's fine yeah that's all they care about exactly we'll do it i want to castle vid cons about it i want to see like you know the 360 being abandoned that'd be great um head scratcher of the week of the week arcsis now blood rain yeah what finally arc system working on a franchise people care about people care about the rcx blood rain is always care about plays blue blood rain what people care about blood rain what is the shift um counter strike um what what i just want to say blood rain not confirmed it looks a lot like blood rain and probably is but we do not have a 100 percent this is blood rain we will find out tomorrow because it's a countdown i mean today no tomorrow

i i always correct not in japan today no tomorrow okay well find out i forgot what today you was probably would yeah uh no i mean i forgot i hilariously forgot what today is today is day oh even i knew that i completely forgot are you fucking kidding me are you serious yeah yeah happy birthday i'm 28 you're 40 years old oh why you do this yeah 28 you bastard you're over now you're from boston i i'm old now it's been 40 it's been four years since you've been at the peak of your gaming skill is that on here your birthday no the fucking no article matt and i aren't talking about i'll get there so some reason 24 your gaming will only yeah so some researchers basically they did some stats you you're terrible and they wanted to look at

reaction time okay over multitasking sure so the best way to do it is have competitive starcraft players and graph them over their ages and there is a obvious difference as you get older to 24 in terms of reaction time and then as soon as you pass over 24 the chart just starts to fall like no right away i brought this up a while ago but this was actually done with just fighting game players a long as time ago yeah um and in the early 2000s looking at japanese players and looking at american players and everyone else at the peak of their game we pretty much nailed down that you are at your best at 19 at 19 and everything after that is garbage so the hilarious thing is is that your brain only really stops growing into its adult state at 25 so by the time you're an adult

it's too late of course you have already started down the path to being an old person and that just goes to show you that like vae back when he was in his uh godlike base compared back when he was in his wife beater do you understand how sick that power level what is at his peak lame you're 22 right not yet okay so you haven't felt it yet you guys are both older than me i believe you you too matt woolly but a little bit i think you you've totally we played character action games you've totally felt it haven't you god oh god it's so obvious it is so obvious on on back when we were in college you were playing don't make cry three go back and play it now you can feel yourself being old three to four i felt it god damn it you know like the i felt it for the first

time in revengeance and it was just like yeah especially because in revengeance the parry thing is so like reactive yeah and like i can see it and i didn't do it fast enough and it's oh it feels bad it feels bad i don't like it yeah i'm old you know old and those those those one frame links are getting a lot harder to do uh yeah i you know i feel like if i put myself to it back when we were in street fighter college i could have done it and it's just gone now i can't even learn to do it now there used to be a gamer here now it's just log horizon you feel it too don't yeah so now i've switched over to slow s m m o's and and or dark souls where you can take enjoy your like 70 millisecond lag played dark souls sitting on a rocking chair you know i can

see that yeah plagues probably doing it right now yeah yeah well not yet on friday but no fuck off by the way it's blood rain i don't care what anyone says look at her read the text it says something about her staring into your you know what it's probably blood rain if there was if there was there's ton for blades on her arm i mentioned it to matt and all i have to say to that is good on you majesco uh that if there was a company that could actually do a interesting game with like a redheaded like nazi vampire lady with an awful name it would be arksis yeah because that character already exists in their fighting days um the resilience of the ip holder is like just go at this point if they will not let it die and like wow wow probably they're bigger because there's

because there's something there i will leave vampires are hot right now but it's kind of like it's kind of like um how the guy who owns the warriors is just he won't let it go you know what it means some brands some brands just won't die because they're like we paid for this money the difference here is that when i when you say the warriors like i think everyone around and most of the people listening go yeah warriors that movie is fucking awesome where is when you hear blood rain you're like blood rain fuck um when i hear that when i hear the word hover i go as a scene hover can i just ask was this because matt mentioned it earlier was this the one i showed you like this is the one we saw a while ago yeah okay yeah and the reason why it's news today

is because the kickstarter exactly i was out of town and i was like is this the same game like my internet's nothing like everybody um continue to listen to this podcast and open up another browser window and check out hover uh click the link in this description or go to the kickstarter whatever this is everything me yes it is you want to describe it um furry characters yeah a bunch of no no it's it's take take the visuals of jet of jetground radio take the music of it as well and make it third person and first person mix it with mirrors edge and then open world city map yeah with like eight ten playable characters something that you recruit to your crew yeah through

stylish trick missions and then you go on real serious missions to take down the man take down the right colors future city rails to grind on like oh my god oh my god this is everything i need it's everything i need and then you see the big black bullet point third or first person switch on the fly yeah fuck you man i need this what's it coming out on every what's it coming out on fucking everything every console then we use a stretch goal and they straight up said we have to make the game over from scratch more or less now because we can't port it like we can't everything else we so it's the furthest stretch goal but um we are planning to put this on everything we are getting the guy who did the music in jetground radio as a stretch goal as well um oh my god

everything is lining up perfectly i just really hope that the um the story and presentation of that is really good because jetground radio has like a style that some people have tried to imitate but it's really goofy but it's also like it's got a certain like japanese sense it's super hard to imitate yeah and like a lot of people almost feel a lot of designers in north america almost feel as though that's parody but it's not it's just a really weird feel and it's it's really hard to imitate um one of the other games that got it down was the world ends with you yeah they got that in a way yeah absolutely um i wouldn't say it's the same style but it's like a cousin it has it has yeah it has a relation and in this case the character design so far i'm looking at that

cast like yeah that's the robot i want to play that's the cool girl i want to use like they've got a really wide what what's that face okay well you're you will you want to play the robot you want to use the girl it cracks me up well whatever i was just using different words to make dialogue interesting sorry the english language works that way but anyway there's a giant like character board of like look at all these fucking characters we've designed and uh if we hit our goals we're going to make all of them playable stats that change with each one like oh oh just give it in my face what are you doing you're rubbing your face you are doing everything you can to shit your pants on this podcast speaking of which still no signs of that still no signs of oh no um it'd be great if

we could get one of those uh like um japanese stomach rumbling noises oh oh oh oh oh i feel one being edited in right now the samurai shampoo hunger noise that's pretty good that um yeah check out hover um also uh rumors going around uh this was a bit earlier but i guess like we didn't get to cover it here ubi art prince of persia might be a thing it might be the best thing ever prince persia seems like it would be perfect for that new really fancy 2d and considering where pop zero went with it like just introducing more artist hopefully it's gorgeous hopefully it is not a gorgeous pile of shit like pop zero is oh it's fun no it's not it's not fun it's terrible it is but anyway it's awesome for the first hour then when you realize you're gonna do that first hour 10 more

times you're like it's great yeah i like i like the value of the ending afterwards i like the fact that uh the ubi art engine is actually getting all this play yeah on it's it only they've only put out two games on it before well right there's the remand stuff that exists there's the rayman stuff there's child of light well but what i'm saying child of light is like we don't have we don't we haven't seen how that's gone gone yet right child like comes out like a week it does and we'll see how it goes but i'm saying they have faith in this already and they're like more like an assumption it's cheap and it's it's beautiful and it has a distinct like look to it that well actually i think it doesn't have a distinct look to it and i think that's what the advantage is in what way well valiant

hearts looks tremendously different from either of the other three games oh yeah i know i see what you mean no i think i think the versatility relative to the cost of making anything versus unreal three which looks always to me the unique or the distinctness is the fact that hand-drawn art becomes the asset you're using in the game that's the strongest thing with it you know um you don't have he's one of them artist guys you don't have to you don't have to do the the wind waker thing where you're like i want to finally design a game where link looks like his artwork you can just you can just draw him yeah and he is now your character yeah have you seen a lot of the old uh demo stuff for that engine i haven't actually you should go look at it there's

this one with this knight and this giant like woman coming out of a lake and it's beautiful and you'll wish it was a game where it never will be it is the best engine porn ever i love engine porn it's awesome and you'll never get it um um samaritan he never gets samaritan samaritan engine porn man the only engine porn i can ever think of that actually came out was the keras of war 2 me q that me q actually we actually use that exact thing in a game pretty much uh but all other engine porns you know they're always demos that don't exist um well there was well there was that there there was that uh question about like um would you like to see agnes philosophy as a thing yeah realized into a title yeah sure so there's some engine porn that could go somewhere maybe

i yeah so that's all pre-rendered so no it was no it wasn't the whole point of that it just the demonstration that was my pride the first one was pre-rendered the second one was real time and i remember being disappointed because like i understand the distinction but i was like but i already saw this though so yeah i fooled myself okay either way you're totally right it was it was not the second one was totally real time yeah um and actually i want to say the first one wasn't pre-rendered they gave they put out the specs for it and it was it's an absurd machine but it's not like a pixar animation the second one was a place as loud as this the second one was a ps4 okay yeah i still look good uh yeah in fact that the second one was was to show that we're

running this on current gender hardware exactly we're like mystery box down uh it's in it's where's that shit should have been out like four months ago okay well they showed off a lot of gameplay there's a lot of gameplay you can go watch i know the beta is catching it sitting on it and he's warming it up yep the beta got pushed back to the end of summer uh and they said we can't wait for you to see it because there's a surprise thing that you don't know about that's a really big aspect of this game that we had to work on harder it's probably the monetization there's something obviously that they're holding back this you can play as gyle considering how little we know about one song plays the entire time you play game looks really good i wanted to be that the dungeon

crawling is one aspect and then there's a shot there's the trailer shot of them dungeon crawling and it comes to the end and here's like a you know a cave opening and he walks out and is like actually it's just dragon's dogma too that's just what it is it's recheck you all the letters the letters is what made me think they have to be related oh yeah right why would you say it's not deep down it's an awkward name very awkward so why would you go with that yeah if dragon's dogma is no less awkward exactly no it's less awkward but it states its purpose and says yo dragons well deep down that way when it was announced no i still no no i still don't like it okay no i told you it still sucks i don't like boring fantasy names you know but what are you

gonna do like the reckoning yeah amalur kingdoms of all the reckoning is gotta be like the worst title in the past oh it's our sub-fair um i was like the fact that they put reckoning at the end of it was just like resonance resonance of fate i'm always gonna be butthurt about that end of eternity end of eternity such a better name infinite undiscovery yeah releasing a game as project sylphied white knight chronicle that one's a weird one folks souls folks souls is one of the ones where i'm like that can only fly in japan and it did yeah yeah you can't say folk was a good title it's fine but you can't say folks souls well demon in english souls in english conversation demon souls is one of the worst too because nobody actually says the

real title of that game everyone says the title of that game is demons souls it's in the possessive fuck that demon soul yeah geez and we're english speakers like imagine how shitty that must be if you're speaking japanese and you have to make that dumb distinction but the point is they don't because they just leave the end of the word open they leave the end of the word no everybody says des if you type it des you uh and hey there's peace at last between at least between candy swipe and candy crush oh okay just did they kill the little guy yeah well um if they did then like they reanimated his corpse and got it to say that we have come to an agreement and it is and um we have been able to work out our differences whatever and also i have discovered that and i don't know

if this was him being forced to say it or whatever in the settlement but he said i have also discovered that um their name was was planned before i came up with my name so despite the fact that's that's my product feels so legally it feels like legal was pushed into the interview he then drove off in a maserati yeah right in a in a um durango who knows who knows but no he's so in a canyon there so much for one of these settlements to come up and then just he pulls out a second piece of paper and he says i have been instructed as part of this agreement to read this i am dumb and my butt smells and i like to smell my own butt thank you so that that imagine if you like somebody suit us yeah well you could pass all your money or

go read this or you have to change your name to pat matt william lame yeah no it's like and then they plant they plant a guy in the front of the press conference like custom question how much does your butt smell it smells a lot there are stink lines around my butt oh you got the stink lines and everything so that's one peaceful resolution quoted quotes to king that was of trouble that was a vicious battle behind the scenes there's no peace to that well i mean fuck like the fact that he had to say in his statement that oh look hey uh my game came out first but they did have their name whatever lawyers are hyper scum um but that does scum all over yeah and now and now we tune

into part four where the guys that made cut the rope are getting involved that i mentioned that last week but i don't remember who brought the lawsuit the guys who made cut the rope yeah had taken up the cause and said we're big fuck these guys because they're suing them because candy is a really big important item in our game it's a key item it is the crux and cut the rope is a huge yeah be old yeah relatively speaking yeah that was one of the first twos i want to get away with this although it is worth noting that uh king did um what is it uh they did cancel the filing for candy yes you know in the end so good because they couldn't deal yeah the literal hit to their stocks yeah well it's because they wanted to have the monopoly and then they get the monopoly and they're

like yeah and then they're like wow a lot of lawsuits hitting us right now oh the stock is bad is probably despite the monopoly because of all these lawsuits and and they filed for the trademark i don't know if it went through ever because of the shit storm that followed but they filed for it so yeah it i don't think it ever actually got enforced you know they were they did the filing and then they started sending out the letters blowback was a little too strong yeah it was a little too egregious um how many lawyers got fired i i really hope a lot no tons of lawyers got hired uh lots of money in the lawyer industry around king they're lining up out the door more lawsuit chasing ambulances king's the real money yeah yeah um so that's the equivalent of like hey king

why don't you step into the street oh no he's in an ambulance yeah exactly better get in with you lawyers please queue here you know i mean it's really if when you think about it it's it's it's actually great timing because like the industry needed like a villain oh yeah they needed a dark night a target and here it is activisions calm down for a while excuse me so we need a new villain now that they bought themselves yeah they bought themselves how cool was that yeah well we talked about that i know it's like Darth Maul and the emperor right the one time you're a vader the one the one time yeah sorry you're like you know what you go big triple a company yeah saving yourself from fight the man the bigger man is is is that to get the little amazing hero yeah well they they

say there was genome in the antispirals right totally totally like yeah bobby codic is not lord gino he could be i could see a developer that takes his head and puts it in a super computer and tell me how to take the fun out of making video i've invented a planet where all fun is removed from the games because i have to save you because if we have fun we all get destroyed exactly that's an algae that's really well the guys above me are gonna come down and make it worse for you so i have to remove the fun so that we can show them a profit oh fuck but i'm like lord genome codic actually succeeded this is a great narrative it's working and i worked up the fun out of call of duty and i wish i could name four generals from activision to like but those those are so mender and those would

be those would be guitar hero and call of duty guitar hero call of duty starcraft and wow and skyland okay wow uh yeah well you had removed one of those is the one that survived no skylanders is cathedral terror you know it's a great analogy it's been there all along why does this work so well this is so stupid activision lag and but you're totally right we needed a new villain and boy did we get one gurren vision with no face condition it's king not king dot com it's just king dot com like i remember when activision was being evil bobby codic's dumb mug shot popped up right away with the guitar hero guitar and no the one where he's just sitting in his office being a scumbag he's got his arms up yeah and you're and you're just like oh my god fuck this fucking business man

holy shit but king dot com smartly did not do that now i still think of king dot com i don't think fuck there's no name no there's no god yeah but at the same time you do that as a move so that you can kill him yeah and like ricketello exactly and he's the sacrificial lamb by ricketello so there's a pro and a con to doing that you know good job running your the company into the ground um despite getting the score was less evented ground running speaking of unprecedented ground running oh who's excited for a potential director's cut to sucker pun i am really happy really with your segue on this really best ones you've ever done because boy is that some ground running and it is unprecedented really that back you all right fuck you anyway anyway i'm not sure about

liam but the three of us and another friend or two we all were went into sucker punch going i hope this is good it looked cool and trailers i guess stunned at how bad it was like unwatchable that girl had a short skirt like like we were sitting in the theater watching with our food and we all just went into like a guard break animation like oh my god it's so bad and then and then like nowadays when zack snider gets credited it never says from the director of sucker punch no three i was such a huge disaster like and my sam alone you gotta hide that yeah yeah and the fact that zack snider like has the gall to say like yeah there's like the real version i love the super uncut so the studio made me leave all the good bits on the good no there's no same my theory on how

you quote unquote save sucker punch like removing 95 percent removing everything that's not one of the sequences yes one one of the music videos and put the music videos out as music videos and just go i'm a music video director from even the one that they stole from final fantasy 13 even though he used to be one yeah i'm going back to it and here are my four videos that is that is the that i'm that is one of the only movies i can ever think of in my life that we're sitting there and we're watching that and we're watching the sequence and i go this is stolen this entire sequence you know what i feel that stolen is not even a strong enough it like you need like clones okay people that don't know what we're talking about because smart people didn't go see sucker punch

but go track it's the train sequence they're fighting on a train right yep against robots or some shit and they infiltrate from the back right so it is it is that one and it is also the final fantasy 13 like intro sequence where you first where they are fighting on a train lighting jumping into the train it is lifted it is unapologetic it's blatantly copying control c control it is unbelievable and i thought i was nuts when i saw like i must be imagining it it can't be as egregious as i think it is like the only other example i can think of is uh the some of the resident evil movies steal scenes from the games which makes it which is totally fair now the thing is is that i feel that from the way zack talks about that movie um to him it's just all homage and

so he's okay with the idea of like yeah i know you know where this came from yeah because you look at like the first uh one where you had the samurai girl and it's like yeah that's a blood the last vampire character right fighting against a giant hell gas general type but with the like how far can you go samurai it's a straight right when you take the premise and then shoot your own scene fine but he just took the scene just took it and the premise so so here we have it basically being put out there that what you saw was the studio's edit the studio's cut and they made me do you see kingdom of heaven yeah so how that was coming out of it really happens to me all the time yeah we're on the same level scott nine basically he gets extra like internal justification

because that happened to him on watchmen where the the studio said you're not putting out a four-hour movie at your they said you're not putting out a four-hour movie and you're not putting a giant fucking squid in it i don't care yeah so sorry um correct me if i'm wrong i don't follow movies super carefully or directors or anything he did do man of steel right he yes no he didn't direct it he didn't direct it he produced it okay well regardless he touched heavily and that makes me believe him even less yeah well his fingers turn it into a snyder movie he made uh he made um 300 that first one was all right it was like the only difference the only difference between him directing and in producing is that you don't get the actual musical lyrics yeah dropped

into the movie to explain emotions as they're actually when like you hear 99 love balloons come in and then you hear the lyrics come in yeah and you're just like what are you doing or what are you doing and adria invades office where like literally everybody wants to rule the world just playing in the background and it's not the instrumental it's the whole track fucking like no in that case it was instrumental but it's still like no i'm still halloween tell don't show tell don't show i'm still mad over the the the love balloon one because it feels like you're in the theater and like zack drives up and winds his window down and leans his hand out with some nuts and greens and at your face and goes huh come on come on you know the song you know you like it you

like this song it makes you feel like you're sitting in a theater with a bunch of gray 35 year olds who don't know anything say gray 35 as in they're like gray amorphous blonde yes okay and they just don't know anything they thought you meant like getting old hey guys can you tell that this character is feeling sad no all right we'll listen to the words about how sad she is right now drop big old anime tear on her anyway uh with that being said may that never come to light it's gonna come to light it's gonna come to light it's gonna come to light why is there who wants to get cancelled for the xbox one in the last second what grounds well is there for sucker punch directors cut i bet there's a lot of 14 year old boys that love that movie i'm willing to think it was one of those things

that became a really like something that sold well on dvd and blu-ray at 10 bucks probably maybe there's like an evil zone style fan base that's out there totally absolutely you're gonna have to deal with right it's like i mean we were all kids once kids like oh the hot girls got sword it's like that's probably all it takes for a certain audience i can't remember being that dumb but i'm pretty sure i was at one point kiddie pool shallow yeah i'm sure on the visuals alone it's probably sold a lot of dvds and blu-rays like because it's been 10 bucks forever i feel you know what fuck it i used to say i had my theory originally was like make it for music videos i'm changing that again sucker punch would have been amazing as an art book

right nothing but an art book yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna stand by that statement uh with that being said let's take a word from our sponsors yo did you guys ever actually end up finishing off misfits of course not uh i stopped watching because it got really really complicated but great show yeah uh british superhero show punks do you remember i don't remember you don't remember that's one of those shows you're like you should watch this and i said yeah like a bunch of other things and then just like well here's the thing right there's this whole other land across the ocean called england no no they have no i refuse they have programs sometimes that are just like hours and are also good and worth checking out so they don't have tv shows they have programs

programs on the telly yes okay on the telly but it doesn't necessarily have to be on the telly because if you've got we do plus who loo plus can do that who loo plus can do that oh my god you don't need a telly you can use your consoles you could use your phones you can use anything some of those will require a television though might might but it's not a prerequisite for everything i'm pretty sure the console would still require a tv some of them but not all of them no not the ones that already have screens exactly so oh did you say phone got your phone there's a call up for nokia get it going so yeah um misfits in particular a really cool show that i ended up finishing off and like it's one that i'd recommend because it's a british version of heroes i'm gonna say so it's

fancy there but all the main characters are like gumbags they're all scumbag they're asbo's they're anti-social behavior kids they get sent to like uh the that new community community service for being shit right right so they and turns out they've got powers now right so you've got like this this group of so is it a bunch of chavs with superpowers yes yes not some of them are chavs yes i'd premise right okay okay and you can come back on this and you can check it out on hulu plus if you uh head on down now to huluplus.com slash super you can uh get a free two week trial uh to check out whatever shows you want from here or from the england across the pond you might say exactly um that place even exists it does and and much less than they've got some cool shows there

too it's like what i figured the queen of destroyed england by now but i guess they're still making programs yeah she grew 50 feet tall and decided to destroy her own kingdom oh yes that should be a show i hope they'd get it on hulu plus the the regular uh um no but if you take a look at the regular list of stuff they've got a they've got a ton of stuff for you to check out and um the sign up is $7.99 a month but once again if you head on down to huluplus.com slash super you can get yourself that two week trial free to see what you like and get it on demand to you two weeks is a lot of binge time for a trial you can just you can just bunker down and just like i'm gonna feed it into the eyeballs like man i really don't know about this trial but i bet i could get through a lot

of shit in two weeks i don't think there's any series bar coronation street yeah that you couldn't get through in two weeks probably not so head on down huluplus.com slash super and try it today thanks a lot for sponsoring the show hulu plus we really appreciate it thanks a lot it's letter time what it's it's letter time speak up a little i'm glad i'm here for a letter time because my tummy's going nuts on me because we noticed yeah i think i'm feeling better though i'm feeling better for letters you got all the you got all the evil out all the haribo got me bears you got the poison out oh it's that fucking mirror movie oh there you go when we ended up with the mirror sippy sippy on the water if you want to send letters in where would you send them liam

uh super best friendcast at gmail.com that's right it's super best friendcast at gmail.com to send your letters in it's true if they're good we'll read them all your e-letters well directly we'll read them regardless but yeah i mean on the air i mean on the air but we'll tell sometimes you probably even read a bad letter or two for funsies so you never know i got sent a really good letter just as an aside it said yeah my name is dylan and i'm 13 years old and i know that seems young but i think i still get most of your jokes anyway the teacher asked us who inspires us the most and i think it's probably you guys also uh tell my stupid friend jacob that he's a liar jacob also the other thing he asked was is it cold up here because it's cold down there

because it's cold down here it's getting better it's not so bad now it is awesome it was a really sweet like sincere letter it was great thanks dylan that sounds really sincere jacob you know who's not sincere jacob because he lies you just stop it and i'm telling you that yeah king of lies good work dylan uh i can't not hear dylan that way anymore there you go uh corridan asks if we can water down salty liam because every time he gets into a fight with salty pat it's like mommy and daddy or pat and i talked about we like me and hit like was it after the podcast after the podcast yeah exactly where it's basically we discussed like liam's blind optimism really pisses off my blind negativity which of course

sit back around the other way cynicism yeah uh and uh we were thinking about having like a long term bet of like optimism versus cynicism but that's not fair because optimism's better to have but cynicism is usually right yeah but yeah we will we will try and tone it down and one of the ones we will try and avoid the personal insults in the future that would be nice the mega man one got a bit extreme because obviously i was getting really close to actually hitting it but what i was gonna say was obviously off camera we've been talking about mega man for us since we knew each other uh two weeks ago i want to say i'm being an idiot because i remember you guys arguing a lot of this bickering extends to off camera oh yeah we immediately jumped to 11 it's because we've

already brought it up so yeah so here's the deal we have a really nice civil conversation about it where we disagree yeah exactly for like two hours then we start the podcast the topic comes up and i say the strongest worded statement i can say on the topic and liam does the same and then we both get all pissy yeah so apologies and we go by each other ice cream afterwards we do there you go i hate that feeling when mommy and dad are finally me too it's really awkward although i'm not your parents kids but we could be no no no we can't i take that back we both had looser years uh tony starks tony starks uh sends in a question saying hey zibatsu i have a question um i love you liam uh pat i remember you saying uh when you went on a during a nintendo reveal or something that

the presenter um had a game that was running in 1080p and and the uh it was asked about whether the game was running in 1080p and the guy said he had no idea um how do you differentiate i remember this yeah how do you differentiate between a game running in 720p 30 fps and 720p 60 versus 1080p 30 and 1080p 60 because they all look the same to me yeah you look at it with your eyeballs well that's and you can just count the pixels it's basically like i i i talked to i i've seen a lot of these comments and i've talked to a bunch of them it's like how do you tell the nervous between this and this and my initial reaction to that is you look at it in blind thought yeah but that's not helpful so for 30 30 frames per second versus 60 frames per second is like

does it look super duper smooth then it's 60 frames per second and it's really hard to have this discussion on the internet in terms of how everyone's everyone's first go to is like we'll look at a youtube video but youtube videos aren't in 60 frames a second i know a really good example of 60 frames per second is on me and my friends all rented sega soccer slam and went why is that's a cool game yeah can you think of a download 60 frames but we didn't know what 60 frames was can you think of a demo on like the 360 or ps3 wipeout hd wipeout hd is a demo i'm 99 okay well then or just go load up a web and look up like a thing that says like 60 frames the second game see if you can find a demo just look at it like bayonetta on the 360 is a good

example now now sorry i think the key thing is when you're accustomed to 60 fps games or you like have a certain affinity for that and then you just go to a 30 fps thing you instantly notice yeah but for me it's not even that like i can i feel very confident that ever i can get your frame rate correct within five to seven frames wherever it is and the other and the lower it goes the more exact so like when castlevania um lord's shadow came out like i looked at it i was like that is 23 frames a second and that's the ballpark exactly that is exactly what that is that is low and another thing is you just you might just never like because it's a brain and i thing you just might never be able to now to me though like the way the the the the more difficult side of

this is how do you get somebody to know notice the difference between 720 and 1080p and have a look at them side by side uh really truly the easiest the easiest thing to do is what's it called stair casing hair stepping uh yeah where you look at yeah i know basically the the way to tell it the easiest way to do it is to find an old-ass pc game that your pc can run in both and find a long straight object like stairs is the best uh and it's the more you the higher the resolution the less jaggy and shitty it looks on the edges yeah it's it's yeah that's the easiest way to tell but when you're running it on it when you're looking at a console on your tv that's oh for sure in whatever yeah um it does get a bit harder but yeah at eight feet it gets way hard well i was gonna say if

they've got 720 and a a it starts to look good too like like rise looks great so so i think like um yeah but i know but it looks great yeah it's not 900 to 1080 so it's much more but that's what i'm saying like no so to an untrained eye like you might not be able to just see your console in 720 versus 1080 yeah notice the difference i wouldn't even say it's an easy thing at all like it's not it's an acquired thing if that well i mean well now like i think you and i just buy from through work can stare at 720 versus 1080 i yeah but we're zero point one exactly i can you catch it immediately the way i would the way i would put it is say there is a song that you like that has a relatively complex orchestration of different instruments right the first time you listen to that song you

just hear the cacophony right you just hear song you listen to that song enough times you can pick out every single different instrument yes and once you do you will never not be able to do that and it starts to extend to other music and it will start to send other music when i played fucking first person shooters in high school and i was playing day of the feet every single night with a monitor three inches from my face yeah i got a real good look at 1080 pixels yeah right um but no and so that's totally it but frames per second or is way more obvious way more noticeable uh you can you can definitely frames per second is the kind of thing that it's easier to feel than it is to see because you can you can

it's really hard now because there are so few games well actually in the next gen it's getting a lot better but there in the last gen there were very few games that ran at 60 one of my favorite things that i noticed at work is when someone who's not so super into this goes from one skew of a game to another skew and is like whoa what happened what happened yeah yeah yeah yeah they they see it and they're like i don't know what happened but it's better yeah better yeah okay i know the example on the 360 the bioshock one demo still exists correct i don't know man okay in the box the bioshock one demo lets you lock the frame rate because yeah it usually hovers around 50 frames a second but you can get screen tearing so you can choose to lock it at 30 so what you do is you go

into that bioshock one demo and you can lock it to 30 so you lock it to 30 and you don't get the screen tearing anymore but the frame rate drops like 20 frames so by going in flipping that back and forth and seeing how it looks seeing how it feels you can tell just take a lot of screen tearing i would never ever ever advise anyone to actively look for these differences because once you see them you will never not see them yeah screen tearing i saw the very first game i saw i had screen tearing with jack two on the ps2 it has atrocious screen tearing and screen tearing is so ugly and some people don't see it and they are so lucky they are so lucky screen tearing is the absolute worst there's a little bit of an ignorance is bliss there's totally an ignorance i totally think so yeah

because if someone that doesn't into this stuff and they play a lot of games with screen tearing they'll start to think that's how games are that's just the norm exactly probably the the best casual example that i could see for the frame rate one is when people that would only play like military first person shooters would go man call of duty just controls better it's just way smoother way faster than battlefield it's running a double the frame rate it is twice as responsive it's strange how when you go back to like your 16 and 8 bit equivalents of this where there's slowdown on the screen we feel good about slowdown yeah we enjoy it i've used the phrase break it like a super nintendo game break it um and you go back to the playstation 1 and n64 era and fuck those

games run at garbage frame 14 fps everywhere wow we always use the shining example of armored armadillo as like the best feeling slowdown ever as ocarina of time is one of the ones where you're like woof woof i i don't remember this that has moments where the slowdown makes it cool but in general yeah on playstation 1 there's an awesome awesome game called silent bomber that i think runs at 60 frames and it was it's awesome all that games read um don't look forward it'll ruin your life see mckelvey uh says if you could turn any landmark into a human embodiment would you want to do it and would you hang out would you kick it would you kick it with mount everest i'd kick it with a statue of liberty she seems cool i kick it with mount rushmore mount rushmore as one person

those guys would have a lot more to say you know what i'm gonna remove my voice a boat and think of something better because picking a statue seems plain i just want to play around i just want to play around with hachiko oh i was gonna say negoya gundum damn it dammit dammit no we're it's not a real warm we're picking things that are things okay okay okay we should yeah we have to anthropomorphize things that are slightly more abstract landmark a landmark okay the aurora borealis as a person would be sick not a landmark well fine eat shit woolly okay uh man this question really went all over oh man the space needle i'd like to hang out the the arc de triomphe that'd be cool you know who's a shitbag that's not invited to anything what the

big o you're right oh the olympic stadium oh fuck that thing yeah not the big o because he's overweight and in debt because nobody wants sorry sorry fine the big o the anime is awesome and amazing and we were not talking about that i'm at the montreal olympic stadium because that's what we all call it that pile of shit it's the worst no we just caught the pile it's all monster truck rally though one time was good who invited him that guy's a cunt um get out of here you have finished piece of shit the olympics it's it continually approaches finished and then like goes back they're never gonna finish it no the whole top part of that fucking tower it's never going to turn into a swimming pool i think tower of pieces all weird and creepy hey guys getting

all close to you standing way too close to your face hey hey yeah you'd be a weirdo i got nothing that's that's that's all the coliseum's probably a pretty cool guy i wish i knew more the coliseum would be like yo i've seen some shit the coliseum would be a huge bro ptsp he's the original hbo he's the tightest pullo basically yeah or like the grand canyon is just like this giant cowboy that'd be sick that'd be awesome it's pretty good anyway thanks mcelfie uh we got one from uh morgan and his email is uh something we tried to push but we forgot about called now that's pre-alpha oh yeah we totally dropped that yeah so um i was wondering what do you think the hardest struggle that an indie developer has to get past is other than um other

than having money to and have other than having money to eat uh getting seen i would say yeah two things and that's getting development anywhere off the ground because people will flake the fuck out if they don't know how hard it is to make a game right out of money i don't mean that i mean when you get when you get the young guy who just graduated from x-place and you're like he's a programmer he knows what he's gonna do yes we're gonna do it we're gonna do it the fuck out oh wait by by through experience we are speaking the reliable programmer is the hardest thing i see a programmer reliable programmer oh like 45 percent of the time that's always the problem that's all yep and and the pro the projects that do end up at not even working out but just

seeing the light of day are usually the programmer is the guy who started it and he's got an artist buddy yeah if you're starting from zero that's one of the hardest things now does the game exist i would say the hardest thing is getting exposure does anyone know about your game no i i that's the that's one of the hardest things but it's easier now than say five years oh yeah absolutely totally um yeah one of those two issues i'd say yeah totally and then third is money depending on your what you're making yeah of course but he said besides money because because money is obviously the biggest surprise like yeah um good question though yeah uh ryan wants to know if there are any games that you guys played with your parents or siblings on a regular basis

streets and it's an lpa hockey 93 i play with my dad all time yeah siblings is obvious for me i told the story about street fighter and black people that's how we work yeah but um for parents yoshi's island played with my mom and fuck my brother is cheating ass and fucking street fighter you're never gonna never let it go bullshit he would tell me he's four years older than me and he would tell me the wrong special inputs so he could beat me more easily never let me i've played streets of rage with my dad all the time uh did you play with him or did you play and force him to watch no with him absolutely okay yeah he played his plays always you want to hear how hard i never let it go like three years ago at christmas it's like hey man let's play some

street fighter and i kicked the fucking shit out of him it felt really big i was like yeah yeah you suck and he's like it's yeah i've never played it yeah you suck jeez really pathetic the other one i guess is uh my cousin and i we both really like handhelds and we always used to play like a handheld game quote in quote like at the same time together over summer vacation so like fire emblem was a big one that we played and sacred stones as well even though they don't have much in the way of interconnectivity just playing it simultaneously and like the chronicles of did your guy die or not yeah it was a super fun experience there was like there was a time when i used to like go over to my cousin's place and do arts and crafts and make little things

after watching the original arts and crafts yeah we'd watch like take part in some of those like craft shows and then make stuff and uh for a while we played mario paint and had fun just doing all that stuff with the house yeah exactly yes totally and there was and then there's a point it was specifically when uh my cousin i think she turned 14 or 15 and it was just like not interested in any of that shit anymore time to be cool and i got super buffed out and i was like you don't want to make stuff you don't want to play and no it's like no i was like okay i'll just go play it for a moment and then fuck that and then it lost his appeal that moment immediately immediately in 94 me and my sister would always try to co-op donkey kong country and maybe that's where some of

the the impended uh what's the word impetitus the impetus of best friends is that we would always scream at each other whenever the other one would die since that co-op was i died whoops now you're now you're dead too and we don't and like she would die in a pit i'm like oh and like back then my 13 year old mind would just go oh i try surviving and she'd be like no you try surviving or whatever you sound just like that sounds just like yeah yeah no that with that that amount of force in my voice and my mom was actually good enough to to play like dr mario and tetris and like original like pacman really much oh man and then i would get my mad at my mom whenever she'd lose and would you be better mom and then that kind of scared her off like yeah you become a different person

that reminds me that i used to play tetris with my sister and that stopped real early i bet because she is fucking kick ass to tetris she beat tetris on the nest nice she hit a thousand lines and then just went uh i had to play her someday yeah played this shit out of tetris ds so yeah she's old now so that's not gonna happen yeah she's way past 24 it's it's not nearly so far back it's only eight years but like um i was still living at home at the time and i played uh we sports a lot with my family uh my dad would often stay up way past when i decided to go to sleep drinking with his friends playing bowling yeah and i'd get up in the morning and it was just left on and you know whatever but like that was like a really fun experience i at one point woke up and my dad had bowled a perfect

game and i didn't even know i didn't even know that he knew how to turn it on did you get super butter because you couldn't beat that score i could never come close to that shit um sorry i was gonna say a neat little thing was like after i said my parents stop playing video stop playing video games or wasting your time it'll you'll never get any back to anything video game yeah suck it yeah face parents the first qa place i worked at had a slogan that was your parents were wrong that's wrong that's charming but uh remember there's all those old mini games on new super mario brothers like the first one on the ds yeah there's a little section of mini games absolutely because i remember when i first got that like the week i had that ds in that game

i showed my parents the mini games and my dad and mom were like oh my god this is so much fun i told me mario 64 no mario new super mario brothers ds had like four mini okay no i don't know why does all the remember all luigi's card games no i just i remember the slingshot one that's mario 64 a new super mario brothers had them too they both had it yeah absolutely anyway when i passed my parents they're like oh my god i'm totally doing this i'm playing a game my mind is blown i'm the blue ocean yeah and at that time i was like oh my god wow what a great strategy there's gonna get everyone back just follow through with it just follow through with it anyway thanks obama thanks obama erin wants to know uh i love your show erin thanks erin besides uh the awesomeness of

zack uh if you could have any animal as a pet what would it be and why any animal as a pet yeah is this the fantasy world in which there are no problems resulting from this pet because that's two very different answers okay so you can pick an animal that exists in this time frame in this world um but if i say a tiger am i gonna run into tiger related issues no the difficulty of owning the animal is waived okay okay okay uh a giraffe i want a i want a leiger dude they're cool okay leigers are fucking big leigers would dominate the entire i want to ride around on it yeah okay yeah i can see that that's sick i want like a Siberian husky oh cool i want an arctic prince oh like a big dog because the i know someone that owned like i know a guy in my in my old working

qa that had a dog sled team wow he had them and owned all of them and they're like they're the you cannot handle one most people can't handle one i've got 12 and they wreck everything and their fur is just fuck right so he's like but i love them so much and i was like i wish i could just have one because it's just fucking gorgeous but it's just like but the payoff is just for that like couple hours that you go out sledding yeah and the rest of the time it's just fuck wrecking shit and cleaning up fur oh i got another one uh you don't you don't want to go first no i was gonna say mine is absolutely a peregrine falcon um what are you gonna do with that i want to be a falconer i want to have it fucking you can actually be a falconer you know i want to be you just want

to be neckeruru i can have my mama i can have my you want to be the snl character the falcon the falconer yeah yeah no i want the peregrine falcon as the fastest fucking bird besides the swift that when it's diving but peregrine falcon has just the ultimate hawk thing that perches and is badass and can fly out yes totally a pet shop oh did you tell him what you got in there was a really cool um little thing called um uh it was like a my little pet shop um like it was like my little pet shop toy it's the packaging and inside of it was pet shop from juju it's really well done um but yeah i want that falcon i could point it a thing and it just goes and gets it i don't think that's how that animal works no but also like this is fantasy

there's no problem i guess you said the logistics shut up but like i meant to the problems you're riding a liger okay you seriously shut up those those things that are not allowed anywhere near nature if i had to pick a realistic scenario i would want a new fee dog um there's a little like it's a newfoundland newfoundland dog yeah they're they're cool they're poofy um there's a little like species of deer or gazelle or something shut up with your deer dude they're like can i tiny they're like too many tall and they're anything is good and they're called dick dicks dik dik dik they're fucking adorable dick and dick yes wow dude they're so huge they're they're totally a thing i'd love to have one if that's legal is that street legal no no but the problem

doesn't exist in this fantasy world oh yay a realistic animal is just i want a puggle yeah i really want to i like a welsh corgi yeah i will score you too i i'd love to i i almost got a hedgehog but the mother ate all the babies yeah i may have told this story i guess they weren't fast enough oh poor babies well we're not gonna top that what's the next question that's fucking dark and dude i was disappointed oh to say the least yeah so are the babies uh zack uh zack zacka or zasha it's hard to say cool either um both of these are cool says if you could do any job that did not involve gaming any job what would it be zasha from melbourne be an astronaut i couldn't answer this question when i was three years old

and i sure as hell can't answer it now okay well it's like saying i want to be an adventurer that's fun well i i'd say like um well because maybe if you said specifically like i guess like spaceship engineer whatever i need to be to get to the space because there's a lot of stuff to do i just want to get into space no matter what i've never heard you say this you're totally right let's go to space thank you would you be one of the mario i hope you both find a marker that's not a job no that's that's but that's a thing no what like they're gonna the proposition to send people no to send people to mars forever and to live there forever that's a raw deal man i won't be because there's still people and things that i love on earth and they say don't do and they say

don't do this if there's still people and things you love on earth but you gotta find really i just want to go to the moon man that's good enough but like the type of people even just in space yeah fuck it that's good enough low earth orbit's good enough the type of people you have to find for that mission it's like awesome because you have to be the perfect specimen you have to be mentally stable super like captain america solid snake but you have to have zero attachments to anything on this planet yeah or at the very least love space that much i'm pretty sure that doesn't exist it's it they have seven billion people there's probably a couple hundred that they're interviewing right now and they'll be doing something next they'll find one they're gonna toss them and then

they're gonna be like oh right remember that part where we asked them if they were cool with being in space forever and they said they totally were yeah they were lying because they're going crazy destroying the space they didn't know you saw gravity fuck that i'm not going to space my it's a little bit go to space a little bit yeah like not excluding the ones that i'm currently trying to accomplish uh dream job would be which is jiggaloo yeah makes it you know working on it uh condom which ones are you currently trying to accomplish that aren't gaming related that oh not gaming related yeah exactly i was like which like yeah i know the ones i want uh they're all because we're all doing like you and i are doing gaming related exactly uh uh besides that stuff

i want to be the guy that tests out vacation packages for different i said like like secret shopper chocolate tester no they literally like the oprah did a thing on this it's like the person whose job is to try out the vacation package and see if it's good enough fuck anyone that has that job yeah i don't know because imagine like because you imagine you had you had a family and everything but five days a week you got to be out of town oh no but still well it's not it's more like i feel like it's not no but it's not like it's more like there are a there's a stretch of time okay that you've got to do this for and then you come back home can you bring your family no probably not shit maybe people who take vacations in packages to our families i always really wanted to be a

voice actor and then i realized how hard it actually is it sucks this is hard it's the worst i can't keep writing out my barney impression forever wow you've been doing good so far it's a tough one pretty good it's pretty good i thought you meant barney the dinosaur for some reason no i don't know i don't know i don't know oh first someone um a name that cannot be pronounced because it's s h d w r n r that's schwerner schwerner we're sorry we're asked all about your name schwerer um it's actually just commenting on something that we brought up a while ago which is uh silently in walking day yes yeah if people sent me that yes play through is weird if you play lee silently it's really interesting because you get to see what type of person he is um he was he's

like in a lot of situations he ends up not coming off as shitty but just as a bad leader yeah because he's indecisive and in uh there's some really good moments that happen which don't make any decisions and i showed leon one like is it specific yeah there's a great one because the game is gonna have to pick for you to do something yeah yeah and silently is a different person from like dick lee and dick lee and family and exactly and silently uh it's that for example when you're in season one and you are uh jumping and you have to jump and hit um omid off of the bridge right right to land on the thing if you don't pick anything when omid goes oh man this looks scary fucking omid pushes you interesting and he pushes lee first and you go lee goes oh and then omid

still falls off and he still jumps and fucks up oh in the end nothing changes but it's funny yeah that's pretty good yeah he like he has a really good line like he looks and goes like oh man this is the scariest thing ever isn't it and lee's just like uh isn't he like and lee means like nothing's scarier than that though whoop that's even dumber the fact that he pushes you and then it's such a putz that he falls like i imagine in real life i'm going to be good have a nice trip and then he falls like it's the equivalent of the dude that kicks your ankle so that you fall you lift your foot up and he and he falls yeah yeah um one from ben coming in hey ben hey ben see you see you um i was wondering how much time you guys uh have well oh rather considering how much time

you guys spend editing and publishing videos per weekends and such recording uh how much time does that leave for you to play personal games for fun not a lot not as much as you would think not a lot it's a problem we're all having yeah and when you do it you're like i can't keep doing this i gotta do the other thing yeah then you don't enjoy it as much as you feel guilty yeah you feel guilty uh this past weekend is the first time in a while that i for ff14 i just said yeah fuck it bye weekend gotta make up for and then like late last night i like did work yeah before i went to bed so no i played i played trials uh fusion for an hour and i was like oh fuck it yeah no and that's why i always like i break i break my my games up into like natural

progression sessions like dark souls it's like okay beat the boss and now i turn it off even if i want to keep playing right you know because i know what that one more one more one more feels like so yeah since i got tales of a zilia which are tales expert is like this is the best one in a while i'm going to try to make that a long-term project here and do stuff play in there yeah i've been doing it the totally unhealthy way i'm not breaking it up at all i'm just binging in huge huge chunks i'm like i don't have anything to do today fuck it yeah it's going now i i do the least of any work for the channel and even me it's like oh you do the most in other ways well we don't talk about those ones like what with our dicks no oh there was a little bit of subtlety going on

there who realized that you ruined it mean where he does the thing with our dicks yeah that's fine yeah the nothing but like me and woolly have like 50 hour weeks like barring the channel uh you know well yeah okay i mean cat well you know including the channel it's like no that's why i said barring the channel we have 50 hour weeks yeah bar like as as in work outside of yeah absolutely you already have limited time i recently tried to figure out how many hours of uh of work i do a week and i couldn't figure it out it's different every week yeah it's somewhere between 20 and 100 hours um it changes a lot but i mean based on like taking the 40 to 50 hour work week somewhere between zero and all the hours yeah no seriously it's sometime between it's some part between a minor part time

job when everything goes smooth and when it doesn't it's literally every day all day uh i calculated a minimum of like weekly channel like just work is a minimum of 25 hours sure uh in a given including going to record i recording going to record and editing everything recording can be more of like a wash sometimes you spend like an hour talking before and after we do anything yeah so like it's it's like like matt has mentioned it a lot where it's hard to keep track of your time i've i've been like the last couple times matt has come to my place i've set up all the gear beforehand and we still talk for an hour before we start recording yeah it's the it's the foreplay to recording yeah you have to build up to it if we had an office we would do all that from nine to

ten in the morning we go to the office and bullshit around it's just like we did in school uh and we'll take one more from adam jensen uh i thought it was adam i never asked for this email he apparently did miss him what genre would you have disappear in order to blow up another genre oh oh oh when you say oh you sacrifice one to destroy one didn't elaborate going to assume this means sacrifice one genre destroy a genre and vampire its power yeah into something else i'm going to say something that's going to paint a target on my back oh i would replace first person shooters with first person adventure games okay sure and first person first person adventure that's pretty niche that's pretty describe any game because if you want 20 more elder scrolls

i disagree with you uh metroid crime and portal okay okay i will kill um creepy sex dojin games yep uh to blow up fighting games i feel this is a very easy decision yeah okay i guess there is no loss to humanity here porn games oh fuck it all really just standing out on a live here just fuck zoned just make zoned moments zones animations still grown can animate skull girl's character but it's not it's being a lot of zones content is just animations don't forget all you know what you know what i love about this i say creepy dojin sex game or whatever and everyone's fine but i say all porn games and everyone goes whoa so clearly there's there's a fan i'm rid of like there's creepy but when it's not creepy don't get rid of not creepy because there's nothing

creepy whatever man porn will continue to exist if i destroy porn games i would also say like porn games but i think they want you to sacrifice a genre that you like that is a legitimate genre and not something like it's not some weird ass fringe thing that's easy to throw away yeah um fine so i would probably sacrifice first person shooters and i would use that to blow up uh four x games because they need something what four x games four x games are doing just fine man no they need to be bigger man they're fucking tiny there's sieve and there's gal sieve it needs to be bigger than that that's as much as it contains not good enough gal sieve's not good enough for you i want more um you're crazy no they need something similarly i would i would uh i would like to

not maybe not just completely blow up but like i'd sacrifice part of rts to get um sacrifice part part of rts to get turn based you can't do part that's cheap enough fine i'd sacrifice rtss to get turn based here's don't know can you go sub genre can you say like heavy micro based but then but then you get very little i'm trying to find a way to push stealth games i didn't get to mine i didn't mind eliminate all sim sports games eliminate anything that has a manager in the world i think i think you have to say sports not just no it's because arcade sports games are completely different but there are subgenre i don't i disagree but that's what i think i want all racers to go versus i want all arcade but what i mean by that is is when you say sports that

includes sega soccer slam but it also includes fifa i think those are two different genres now those are subgenres under i don't know i think you're i think you're splitting hairs there i think that nba street volume two has more in common with a fucking action game that it has to do with basketball anyway i still think there's something i didn't get to what i wanted to put it into put it in then i want to put it into in-depth beat them ups like sen goku 3 and a vp okay when i i didn't want to just say beat them ups because some are basic but to four beat them ups to get it to a new level of like i also want to say beat them ups but i have so little faith in people delivering on beat them ups nowadays like probably hard like scott pilgrim was such a disappointment

i'd sacrifice rhythm games for schmups wow you sacrifice what for rhythm games for schmups really now to be fair rhythm games themselves aren't really much of a thing anymore there's like occasionally i'd love i'd love to see awesome would you go back in time when rock band and guitar hero and then eliminate that for schmups i feel like me yeah that's that's the tough one right um so no then i guess not if you take it that's okay woolly rock band was a lot of fun ikaruga is a lot of fun i can't make them fight each other mix them i'd get rid of sports games for adventure games though as a pretty general rule like rid of all sports what kind of adventure is in like traditional adventure games i don't care adventure

don't stick me don't give me uncharted that's a shooter no no no adventure games but like because because an adventure game an adventure game can be a point of click dude it doesn't matter give it a fucking role to explore i don't want to hallway with guns anymore is what i'm saying okay but you have to pick a genre that's not dude i don't i'll take a point and click i'll take an oblivion i'll take anything that oblivion's not an adventure it's an rpg it's an rpg it's a western okay well i'll take point and click i'll take puzzle whatever sub things fit in that i'll dump the entire moba genre without a second thought because fuck mobas although i understand people like them i think that's like a just a subgenre of rts though no mobas are totally

there's like seven mobas that are like relevant yeah and they're all bigger than everything else come on like i think under rts like uh but i'll toss those to get uh like western first person rpg's like new vegas or skyrim that aren't total garbage because boy there are a lot of those that are total garbage yeah i mean western rpg's is one that needs a shot in the arm like i think like like a bit of a pseudo common denominator to a lot of our examples has been we want old arcade games to come back yeah but um i think you mean good games we want good yeah well you know but uh can we sacrifice bad for good but but i somehow use magic to bring back to know what's good can i somehow use the magic to bring back the light gun shooter despite it the technology not working

with a came back in the form of gunslinger strato so no one was listening what about the gun con that come they came with time crisis four for the ps3 i think it used like a life bar i think i asked you this before you said no there's all of them have been like motion sensing or i i think that one had like a uh sensor bar style yeah i think it's like it's never going to be the same as looking at the reflection off the crt but but but we definitely are in agreement that there's way more interesting things you can do with first person besides shooting i am i'd like to see that more if you guys really got certainly but i mean like as a focus yeah like if you guys ever gotten like way into the first person shooting multiplayer like golden i a little bit yeah no but i mean i

mean like this year next year the next year the next year of like the new game no the new game oh there's a key to that one like like the avp the avp multiplayer i played for three months with rocky and another friend okay like that a lot but never because like you you say that there's a lot of interesting stuff that you could do with like first person shooter multiplayer and i played like half of all the shooters that came out in less generation boy are you right like boy am i tired of that exact game and i got worse after call of duty four because everyone just made call of duty four with their own skin on well before we even hit the modern warfare era when we were all doing the world war two or two fucking shooter like oh my like we forget how that was now because it seems

like it was worse because it was so many places that and there were so many other clones that there are so many clones of just fucking don't get me wrong i love storming the beaches of normandy but not for the like the brown shooters i just i just looked over beside me here and like i just saw uncharted uncharted two uncharted three tomb raider on my stack all right there in your stack of games those are the same game that is the order that i would put them in in terms of my interest and like golden abyss uncharted one two three tomb raider the order of your interest should be uncharted order of your interest should be uncharted two of where it came out and i was like oh and uncharted two was amazing and better than the first but like better than the third and better

than the third it says something when that order was chronological yeah well and what i was gonna say is the new mega had golden abyss been right there between two and three that would have been accurate still like yeah but like i'm really fed up of third person linear shooter that with uninteresting setting i mean and it was fine in 2007 but like we had a really really four we had a really interesting uh discussion the other day about how uh back in the day uh the default genre was the platformer yeah and then it more and merged and more sorry into the first person shooter what i wouldn't even say first versus shooter i'd say i'd say open world open world gta game then first person shooter i hope yeah a lot of people tried i mean i mean

yeah 25 to life no it's it's debatable as to whether that became the default game that people make when they say make video game but what i'd like to know is like do you see there being a possible future where no new genre takes over no or is it all the benefits to first person are enormous i i what i was what i was gonna say is that like it's i feel like first person's too strong that it'll ever get replaced but we're gonna see we can see it go from 70 to 40 percent of the market things are things like destiny come along that blur the lines the elder scroll series where it's first person but there's more happening it's not a shooter yeah yeah totally but it's like the benefit of the first but like from a development standpoint and also from like people like games that are in

first person the one that's like really been like kind of trudging along for me is the ubisoft open world game where it's like they've made 14 times let's make an open world game let's pattern the story missions around and let's fill her out the middle of the world to be fair they can't they have to keep making it so people stuff generates generates city block that theme and to be fair we got really excited about that uh far cry for that was oh and i'm gonna play watchdogs and the division assassin's creed brotherhood was the first one to do that and every single game ubisoft has made since then is that game again well two two even it's interesting because yeah my brotherhood brotherhood was the one that had the the the strongholds sure but i mean and now

every single ubisoft game has you beat the stronghold then you climb the tower every single one no just like like one was the definitive start of the ub open world thing sure it's interesting because even before the gameplay itself got tiring the um the the story is what disappointed me first in terms of i'm sad that we're sticking with etio and not moving on to new guy in every number but then they moved on to new guy not i'm sorry not in every number in every in every version oh no this new guy's worse like i'm like even if it became like uh like annual not annualized but you like do you get a new ac game every two years i was really hoping every game would be a totally different setting you know now shut up enjoy color but then they realized we can't make a new setting

every year too expensive too hard you know right under the there's there's logistics that i understand like imagine how it sounds like you could be forgot one every two three years and it'd be a fantastic probably almost really consistent quality then they wouldn't make as much money and it's not as profitable i mean you know but the promise felt good at the time of like you can go i totally agree i i really hope sorry i really hope gta five would have turned some heads into that you can make way more money in one shot but that's that's the gta way yeah yeah well nothing's ever gonna be gta no but like someone would try like if like if they after assassin's creed two they waited gta is the weirdest because you see called duty blew up and everyone went nuts and tried to copy

it and gta blew up with four and five and nobody's trying to copy it i wonder if they're same throw and even then yeah colors out a completely different look i'm looking at it and i'm wondering if they're ever going to do something like vice city ever again or are they eventually or are they just going to keep it modern day but find new ways to tell the story until there's a problem and they don't get fundamentally better every time like vice city needed to happen because they couldn't actually change anything and it had to come out like a year and a half later yeah and also the thing with vice city is like let's take the three cities that you were in the original gta let's do that i'm sure they started that they're like hey you're in miami why don't we just make it like a

throwback like yeah do whatever you want i wish at least and this is never gonna happen but i wish at least you'd be soft would alternate years with watchdogs and assassin's creed well maybe we'll see but now we're getting two assassin's creeds and a watch assassin's creed is now the new prince of persia and watchdogs will become the new there's enough employees to handle both being worked on simultaneously so they're not going to do that see that thing where uvsoft is probably the largest game publisher right now yeah some like some like 10 000 employees yeah really yeah yeah because all those studios are the 92 when you beat the game and you're sitting in the credits for 45 minutes to an hour 45 minutes you did but like even just the Montreal studio is fucking ginormous yeah and it's

like not even the quantity building is nice on the inside yeah i know but like that neighborhood the uvsoft like area i was with people drinking i saw it i was like that looks like a pile of shit threw your beer at it yeah so maybe maybe i did what are we throwing on the watch this week what is on the watch what the fuck comes out this week demon's gaze uh there's good jrpg for the vda that i'm looking forward to something holy shit i don't know well just on the watch i was just like oh dark souls 2pc version comes out i'll definitely be looking at it yeah i was i mentioned a little before but like if anyone is interested now is the and you haven't played before like play trials fusion because it's real good it's real good it's a great like sort of you know

like it's not like it's uh you have to go back and i'm gonna miss the story no like play trials fusion trials so fucked up like i was like dumping on that game was like man i've beaten every single track at no false gold first try this game's too easy and then soon as soon as i said that i hit a track that not only could i not know fault and not go on the first try that i struggled to even complete for over an hour nice uh yeah for me demon gaze said jrpg on the vda by experience and we don't get games by experience fucking ever in north america so i'm quite looking forward to that because the quality is apparently really high like it's just a straight up good game and i'm really burned by conception too which i bet you are no no which is on your dick which is terrible

shocker it no no but i mean i looked at it and i said okay this is gonna be a seven it's a four the game about knocking up girls no but i mean i can i can put no but i can put aside the story and say okay whatever the gameplay is gonna be fine it's terrible yeah it's the mini game for getting them pregnant there's no mini game oh well just clearly it's terrible now no no but like it's terrible like i can't believe that even got fucking like fuck i'm uh terrible i'm gonna put the watch on hover as you could have guessed i was i was thinking of saying that as well uh Jesus christ man just right out of my brain it also really shows the difference between when you have a kick starter that like isn't doing well and they had nothing to show like unfortunately uh called county

by running yeah and they like i think it might be over but they're they're they're it's not gonna versus something that has so much content already and a very realistic goal how much was it i don't even know i haven't looked at it yet um i'd have to pull up but but and just the fact that you've got gameplay right away the gameplay looks great you know like for me jet set radio is like a dormant fanaticism inside of me that i don't bring it up a ton it doesn't come up a ton but like when something related to it pops up i fucking i lose my shit i lose it i love it so much did you watch those like recent 20 minute deconstructions of naganuma's music in it like finding out where all his samples come from and stuff what awesome it's so shaking again i need to know because i had a

giant conversation about super brother with a guy at work one time just because it was like oh yeah you got to see that band live not knowing what the game was at the time and then later i was like wait hold on i sat through a concert that had a bunch of jet set radio music performed live in front of me before i knew and now i'm like i hate myself for not knowing not having no what they were you know i mean it was a really funny conversation um man who the fuck am i kidding i'm just gonna be watching meters build yeah there you go dear 14 realm reborn um what is coming up on the channel gentlemen uh let's see uh the what did we put up anything today i don't think we actually did i'm oh let's let's talk about that yeah so on saturday shit yeah really and i

it's 9 30 p.m both of us go shit well my thing was i looked at what's your thing i looked at 7 30 and i said okay video didn't go up yet i'm sure man pad have got it because specific time yeah yeah but if we hit 9 30 and nothing goes up i'm gonna throw up a nuzlocke okay so i'm hanging out with people and i it's a friend says to me you didn't put up anything that and oh fuck you're right i didn't so i go to the facebook's like okay nobody put up nothing i'm gonna put up yeah because of 37 at 30 what no five seconds later you do what you just did and put up nuzlocke um 18 18 and then we both post them to the facebook to only immediately reload the page and go oh shit we're morons i was i was out having a meal out all the way in laval because also that

earlier that day i had to go see a baby for a friend that was the baby the baby was a little baby was breathtaking it was like unfortunately it was a very cute baby but anyway i'm in the car and i get all i get i get pat on the phone i'm like what is this oh whatever i'm not answering it and then when he started doing the text and i'm looking at them i'm like what the fuck's going on and i see both of you going oh no i did it oh i did it i just write your both grind yeah which well everyone got a double treat that so if nothing's going up if we didn't put up anything else today i mean yesterday then yeah because it is finished as of now as of yeah as of now as of now because it went up yesterday man as of today uh there will be more nuzlocke obviously

yes uh friday night fisticuffs will happen on friday i think the new playthrough might be starting this play through might be good might be good wait why are we even maybe koi we took a vote on it no but those who really won yeah everyone those views are public we can't look at it votes but we can still veto yeah cherrymandering we could still we could still veto yeah i think we might have one or two quick looks at something so quick looks so quick looks coming so yeah new play through end of an old play through continuation of a continuing play through friday night fisticuffs which i hope people like people seem like people seem to like it a lot i like doing it so i'm glad people like it busy enough i do have to say that um to those of you who are like

not used to the clicking clicking sound of sticks oh it's loud but that is what fighting game sounds like yeah like if you listen to a stream a tournament things like that that's that's just an authentic sound and we could stand and talk a little louder sometimes but you can't get rid of that to be clear could we click the sticks and then take that out no no no it's because it's true it's and all over the but and that is the sound of fighting games and to be perfectly clear we want the fighting game audience like i know that's happening it's weird but that's what we're going for i know that that sound makes me comfortable yeah so it's me to sleep so for example if i watch like one of max's killer instinct videos if you were to somehow magically remove the button taps

i would feel just really bored half the game audio is i would just feel really bored it's like the arcade stick because chatter is just it's especially if you're watching someone really good knows what they're doing and you see them doing some cool thing when you hear those clicking buttons you're like yeah like and you can halt that you did it and you hear the confidence and non-mashing single in there i don't think we got to it quite yet but there's gonna be some times where you just hear yeah like oh that's nobody's desperate listening to a video where sanford kelly's playing without it you're missing half the mind oh man yeah because he's mashing buttons that don't do anything to put people on new york scumbag players dude will do dirtbag shit big

ass gestures that do nothing i was just about to mention you remember when you were playing fighters on sticks and you got to the point where you could feel the person's super coming out yes not because of their character's movement yeah you can literally hear the fourth directional input start you're like far ball coming i hear the roll yeah eventually we'll get into maybe playing a game or two that's an older system that sticks aren't compatible but not yeah we're gonna go for the easy stuff first um i do that all the time at the local place when i'm playing a con uh you think i'm gonna wake up grab like that well it's gonna sound like yeah you roll it and do the motion like five frames before it would actually work and a friend of mine got me super fucking good

where he did a raging demon input but with like empty buttons and i jumped back yes and then he inputted it while i was in the air exactly well here's both the honest deal is like doing the crazy like scumbag thing all the time it's hilarious it's my games but when you play uh a piano input character like honda or blank or whatever you have to do that yeah if i don't do face you will know every time there's electricity surprise electricity you're going back to what i said i mean there's you can't play stick on evil zones so when we yeah to friday as it as it deserves to be yeah um yeah man so like last week at the at the outro like again i got another question about like oh what's the song you guys are using kushi's ride i used giving kushanata a ride from akami

my favorite track on all fucking 50 of those it's the series yeah that is my favorite akami song i love it and i'm like it is buried so deep that you would never ever ever find that's why some people because it doesn't sound exactly like it belongs it's a bit different yeah so what's your music are you gonna use this week we'll have to find out see you guys later bye