Castle Super Beast - SBFC 081: Platinum Games have been bought out by Platinum Games

Episode Date: February 24, 2015

We'd like to welcome special guest Guy Cihi of Silent Hill 2 fame to the show this week! Pat tries his best to keep his composure. I'd say he did a good job.

I'm saying Birdman is about 60 year old white man. It's hard. Birdman also is really highly reviewed by everybody. No, you're right. No, you're right. Would I have given it to Lego Movie? Of course. That's the actual best movie.

The actual best movie this year. I would have given it to Lego Movie. But I'm like, fuck even talking about it. The Oscars every year have some stupid level of disappointment where they just don't understand animation. They just don't get how it works or what kind of animation. No, but animated movies for the longest time, it's like animation is a special category for baby films.

What? You know when we watched Kamen Rider and the whole time we're saying this is a dumb show for babies? Yeah. We were being the Oscars. And it's just like why even bother following, like who cares, they're not going to be stupid about it almost all the time. Plague just sent me, just before this, we started Plague just sent me an article from an animation

site that's basically like, here's a bunch of quotes from a number of an anonymous academy and I saw that about why they voted for animation, for certain, why they voted for what they voted for animation. And the best part is where they're like, I didn't even finish watching this movie. But this one had a dog in it, so that's a sure winner for me. And when they fucking, hey, hey, hey, to be fair, dogs are cool. And when they said, they said like, oh, the one guy was like, oh yeah, Lego Movie should have been in there instead of these two fucking Chinese things.

And he was talking about a Japanese movie and a fucking French one. It's just like, like, these are the members of the academy. These are the guys voting. No wonder Birdman won. Fuck it. So here's what you do. Here's what you do when you need to know about movie reviews. Just, just go fuck yourself.

Except for my top 10 movie reviews, which is coming out soon. Great. Hey, you want to try outrageous shit. Hey, you know what the Golden Globes are for? Me neither. Yeah. They inform the Oscars. What the fuck does that mean?

No, no, what the Golden Globes do is to make a guy or girl feel better when they don't win the Oscar. And well, here's this thing. You can melt them down in the apocalyptic future. Yeah. You can use them. That'd be worth bottoming off. And a wooden statue.

Oh, it's an Oscar. Did you guys hear that the Emmys just said that comedies over 29 minutes long have to be put in the same category as drama? What comedy are 29 minutes long? It's basically a rule change to say, fuck you, Orange is the new black. Like it exists purely so that Orange is the new black can't get an Emmy. You want to talk outrageous shit. I don't even give a fuck about that show.

I don't even give a fuck. But it's like, who cares about awards? Here's my award. Is that the TV industry sticking it to Netflix? Here's my thumbs up. Is that what that is? I'm giving a thumbs up. Also thanks.

Two thumbs up. Three thumbs up. That's right. And make no mistake, we love Guardians of the Galaxy. I do. But these guys are going like, I voted Guardians of the Galaxy here because it had to get something. I support giving us something. Even if the category doesn't apply or they don't agree with the category itself.

That's cinematography. Sound editing and things like that. Well, that's why most of those categories exist. Sure, just give it something. There's some awards where you go, oh yes, of course, and it's like, let's say Birdman won nothing. Everything it does win is cinematography and it'll win it every fucking time. Yes.

So those are those categories where you're like, you know what, someone had their head screwed on straight for that. And cinematographers are usually the ones that do that. You're right. Cinematographers are very like, they look at something and they go, yes, that's the thing. Motherfuckers with CCS after their name. Yeah. That's how it is.

You want that in front of your name. Oh my God. I would kill. Fuck MD. Just. Fuck Just Squire. Why not all three? Just get down and lie.

No one's going to back your background. Just get a business card and put whatever the fuck you want. When's the last time someone's asked you for your degree? Are you really an Esquire? Yeah. Who was asking? There was a kid that fucking followed around a hedge gynecologist at a hospital for a month. Yeah.

And he just faked being a student that was learning and he was there for a month and no one knew. No one checked. No. I'm just looking around. It's for my training. That's what I'm here for. Yeah.

The doctors are like, yeah, sure, whatever. They're in and out rotating doors. You can steal anyone's identity. Get me the winch. As long as you're cool enough. Fuck you. If you really believe in yourself. You can steal Sandra Bullock's identity.

You can steal anyone's identity if you try hard. Is that a movie? Yeah. Is that hackers? What is that? That's hackers. Yeah. I don't fucking know.

Yeah. That's hackers. Okay. It's the net. I know. It's the net. Is that like the cell? No.

It's the net. It stands for the internet. How it's evil and it's steal your identity. And that's specifically for a movie for dads and moms to go, oh no. Get my kids off these internet. Is that the one where the car turns off because the hacker hacked into the car on the fridge? Oh, that's hackers. That's different.

Hackers is the most dedication and money I've seen put into nonsense. No. All of the whole movie is set up for one pun. It's all set up for a fucking bit at the end. He hacked it. Do you remember what I'm talking about? No. The two characters are Crash Over Ride and Acid Burn.

And when they're a couple together at the end, it's Crash and Burn. That's the whole point of the fucking movie. I gotta watch hackers. That sounds terrible. It's the best movie OS of all time. Of all time. Nothing will ever beat it. Wait, OS?

Movie OS? What about Swordfish? Swordfish? There's a lot more men? All that shit? They pale. Really? They do not hold up.

Hackers is unquestionably the best. That sounds like a movie night. Movie OS night? Yeah. Yeah, that's not bad. That's not bad. And you can take the one scene from late for your job hours. Where he goes hack all IPs simultaneously.

Yeah. Hack the internet, Alfred. Which one, sir? All of them. It's a fire sale. Everyone. Everything must go. This is episode 81 of the franchise.

That was a long preamble. No, amen. This is a movie podcast now. You guys like movies? No? Okay, great. I love them. Did you guys do that thing where you take the audio from Mortal Kombat Armageddon and

you play it over the fight scene? Because I did and it was great. Over the fight scene? It's like in Star Wars Episode 1. In Star Wars Episode 1. Oh, you edited it? Like you just played it? Show it together and see how it turns out.

It's even better than you expect. I was just kind of expecting someone on the Tumblr pages to grab our audio and overlay it with the dual of the face track. I know it's there, but it's there. Probably. Yeah, that was great. And continuing to give back to the community years later. It's a saved fighting game.

MK Armageddon is special because that's what gets you on the SRK front page. And it did! No, wait. What? And they've pieced it all together. That article? You didn't see that? Are you serious?

Yeah? Yeah, MK Armageddon is what gets Friday Night Fist to Cups on the SRK front page. Are you serious? Like I said earlier. Like I said earlier, anime games now banned because they're the anti-hype. They get us nothing. Bad American fighting games forever. Ever.

Okay, so the thing is... They pieced everything together. Remember you were saying how no one's pieced everything together? No one's pieced best friends play by repeating it. Do they figure it out? It is entire succinct summary of everything. That's awesome. It was awesome.

Because Scrublords, the classic Scrublords, used to end up on SRK front page all the time. But after we disappeared from that, and we went because of the tournament, we quit the game. Dude, this thing is full, including the Daigo fight. This is the whole story. This is your legacy? Everything. Yes!

Yes! It's all for this movie. And all the comments are about how we suck and have Scrub matches. Hold on. Was the article written by Ian to the Max? No, by Lance Hood. Okay. Because usually Ian to the Max is the guy that takes care of it.

Fucking people talking about Scrub. He could never solve it. He could never call that Armageddon matches. I know, right? The show is called Scrublords, fuckers! I'm fucking ecstatic that that's the movie. That's amazing. It's all coming together, man.

I need to get the info out there, though. Do the info thing. This is a special episode, man. This is a special episode. What? It's a special episode. Wow. Because a bit later on, we're going to be joined by Mr. James Sunderland himself, Guy

Seath. Oh. He's going to be a Silent Hill two-fing. Phyllis the White. We're going to have him on the show later. Yep. So, keep your ears peered, peeled, for the Pat Boners. They'll be coming.

It might take a magnified glass, but we're going to have that later on in the show. I got nothing like for Tour of Lila. What is that? Space? If you're an astronaut, then you might need a magnifying glass, because it's like the Great Wall of China. Is that what I got? What is this?

An erection for ants? Yeah. There you go. You guys, you guys see that shit where there was a NASA feed of, like, of Earth? You guys are astronauts. International space stations. And, like, some weird shape was on the horizon, and then the feed cut. Did you get it?

Yeah. You know what it was? It was Megatron. You had a crime, I think you want to say? No. Now it brings me comfort. There's Transformers on the Dark Side of the Moon for that shit. Oh, yeah, sure.

Wait, does that mean Orson Welles is going to reanimate and fuck him? You talked about him a long ago. Dangle a hamburger over the fucking grave. A.G.N. said there was an interview with Orson Welles right before he died, where he's like, I had to talk to a toy. He was so confused about what he was there to report. All he knew was that he had to talk for a toy. That was what he took away as playing Unicron with the great celestial beads of all time.

Fuck that guy. I'm still not convinced that- Wait, what? You said to fuck you to Orson Welles? So this trivial bullshit is dead? I'm still not convinced. Does he have any other merits? He's so smart. How come he's dead?

Well, hey. I think that happens to everybody. In theory, I think Leonard Nimoy was digitally inserted into the original Star Trek remake because his fucking brittle bones, and his tongue through his gum teeth to Kirk in that movie, he's so fucking dead. You fuck off. You don't talk shit about the Seaman Bilbo Master, okay? That song is amazing.

That song is amazing. It's fucking amazing. I am not Spock. Oh wait, yes I am. I'm totally Spock fucking Psych. Now I'm gonna go slap some kids. You didn't get that two weeks ago and you don't get it now. Zachary Quinto's in some fucking show that's getting taken over from Australia where he

bitch slapped some kid at a fucking birthday party. Oh my god, you're talking about the slap. I'm talking about the slap. Hold on a minute. Stop, stop. Shut the podcast down. You're the one that's running it. Me?

Who talked about that? I don't know. Was it me and Liam we're talking about hitting kids? I didn't piece it together, but now that I know, team slap or team no slap? Team slap. Team slap. Team slap. I think if a kid...

Slap him. Slap man. Slap man. I think if kids throw baseball bats around, you should be allowed to drop, kick them into shark infested water. Okay, so there's a trailer for this new show on ABC or NBC. Who gives a shit? And it is a star-studded cast.

Everyone's in it. Everyone's in it. Everyone's in it. And it starts up and it's like this family reunion. Hey, my brother in law is 40. Yeah, congratulations. And you're kind of not too sure, but you're just like, okay, it's kind of like a feel-good thing.

And then... And then little Jimmy. Yeah. Then eventually they're having dinner outside or lunch or whatever. Yeah. And then like little Jimmy kid is out in the back playing with the other kids and he starts swinging a bat around like really violently. Like at the kids.

Right? And then the parents are at the table like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, Jimmy, what are you doing? Stop, put that bat down. Put the bat down. So let's be clear. His parents go, hey, stop that. Right?

And then they go back to their dinner. And then the kid doesn't put the bat down. So then... And then Spock stands up and goes, hey, whoa, whoa, and he walks down there and he goes, what's wrong with you? Who is Spock in relation to the child? Uncle or some chill? Uncle.

Uncle. Yeah, so there's two families. There's Spock family and then there's other family. Yeah. And then Spock father gets up and goes over to the kid. And takes the baseball bat away. And goes and he goes, you listen when adults talk to you. This is dangerous.

And then little Jimmy kid fucking kicks Zachary as hard as he can in the chin. That hurts. Right? And he just goes, bam, he kicks him and then he does exactly, Spock grabs him and smacks him. He goes, what's wrong with you? Cabal. And then fucking like the piano hits.

Followed by... Cut to non-Spock family being like, what the fuck just happened? You put your hands on our child? We're going to tell you again. Are you sure he's an uncle? Or a stranger? They're the same family sitting at the table. At worst, he's like uncle in law.

Okay. Right? But they're sitting together. Because team slap, if you're a stranger, if you're in the family, then team slap. Because you don't slap other people's children. It seemed to be family. I'm going to call family. I think it's family.

You can... I'm pretty sure it's family. And then the whole fucking rest of the trailer just descends into law court room scenes. Is this a comedy? No. It seems to be a fucking drama. No. And like the mom and dad are walking out and the mom goes, that little brat deserved

it. And then... That seems like a comedy. A wedge is driven through the family and people go team slap. And then Zachary Quinto walking out of a courthouse like they don't want to go, I'm going to destroy them. Destroy them. This is not serious.

And it's like... And then they just fade in the fucking title, the slap. It is a serious, serious... This sounds like Saturday Night Live. This is a serious drama that is being Americanized from the original Australian version, which makes this story even more confusing. That's amazing. Because I thought Australians taught their kids to be strong for the wilderness by engaging

in kumite with real weapons. Ardua escaped the super prison, but like... But no, this is... And it seems like they're gearing this up to be another like lost in terms of escalation of men. No. Stop. I don't believe that.

It is one of the most absurd concepts ever. Now, also it being called the slap and it be going around that physical interaction is not... No, here's the deal. I would like it better if it was called like the Tiger Driver and then it's Zachary Quinto fucking doing the... Here's the deal. Here's the deal.

I did a little bit of research. I did a little bit of research and it causes some ugly truths to come out. Yeah, and it's like the primary story thread isn't even about the fucking slap. It's about like the dad having sex with like a 15 year old neighbor. Wow, that slap just let loose a lot of bats in the fucking attic. This family was always poison, but the slap rung the dust and cobwebs out. It was the straw that broke the campfire. It's like the scenario that they start with in which kid is attacking other kids with

a bat. Yeah. It's like it's too much. Team slap. It's too much. You have to. The kid had to be like annoying or as shit and then when the slap happened you'd be like well that's overkill.

That's overkill. But... And it wasn't even just the initial action, it's the complete ignoring of the hey, you're being fucking nuts. Hey Wally, let me ask you. Then the kick as fuck you, you shouldn't have told me to not swing the bat at that kid. Wally, let me ask you.

How is that kid going to be an acceptable Lord Humongous underling? Yeah. I was going heavy on the Australia thing, but okay, same universe. Brisbane's a rough place, man. It's okay. You mean Brisbane? Brisbane. You're right.

Hey, I've been informed by people that it's the Thames. The Thames? The Thames. It's Brisbane. It's... So, look forward to our future videos that have to deal with England in which we call it the Thames. I purposely call out people that are in England saying you guys are precious, but you're

saying it wrong. They're adorable. Come on. It's written right there. With the tea and the landing, with the tea and the mopeds. You taught us how to speak this way. Yeah. Let me teach you again.

I think that we can make fun of the British accent because I put a U in color. Yeah. God, every time that... Every time... Every time I'm wrong. Every time the auto correct tells me you see that red squiggle and I'm like, no, color is spelled with a U. Color, neighbor. You know what I don't like?

Armor. I don't like center R-E. I will always spell it center T-E-R. You don't like... You don't like center? No. I don't like it. That's the one I don't like. That's fine.

It doesn't feel right. That's on the fringe edge of spelling. Armor. Awesome. I love when spelling becomes political. Yeah. The weirdest fucking cyclical irony was working in localization. Yeah.

Where you're working with Americans where localization is spelled differently from localization. Yeah. That's pretty deep in there. I'm like, I'm fucking like, the loop here is breaking me. You're holding papers and you're like, how did this happen? Did you misspell the name of your own department devoted to spelling? It depends on where the clients are. We have to localize the word localize.

Yeah. Yeah. This is amazing. This is the best. This is confusing. Let's talk about a week. Liam, you're up. Yeah.

Liam, what's up? What's up? I had a week. I got my new 3DS finally. It showed up the night of last podcast. Yeah. So fuck that. So now I've had like a bunch of hands on time with the vanilla new 3DS and the new 3DS XL.

Yeah. You're the person to know now. Yeah. Well, I still think it sucks and they should have sold both here. Anyone who thinks that we got the short end of the stick because the XL is the worst version is wrong. Even I agree with this. And I was the biggest oneer of the regular one.

Some people would say crying baby. You would say that. Most people would. And some people would call you a stupid asshole. Or they would call you a crying man baby. Well, these are not mutually exclusive. There's no disagreement. We both agree.

So what's the deal? Why? So I mean the face plates are cool and all and the Xenoblade face. Oh, that's the one. Amazing. And I am going to import that. Leave it to Nintendo to region lock plastic. At the end of the day, like I find the XL.

I have tiny baby hands and it fits my hands perfectly. Yeah. I just think it's the better one overall. And I mean, it's not that much of a loss. They should have still done it, but. Dude, the screens are better. Like the color and the contrast in that is actually considerable. As long as you get one that works.

As long as you get one that works. Which Pat will be talking about later. I'll just tell it now. Just tell it now. I finally have one that works after four attempts to get a working new 3DS. I had the Monster Hunter one with five death pixels. And these aren't crazy attempts. These are like he opens it at the store and the merchant is like, oh yeah.

I had the second Monster Hunter one with had a straight up broken circle pad out of the box. Then I go to the game zone and I try and get a red one. And that one has a dead pixel dead center. And then I finally got a black one and it finally works. And I finally get to enjoy it. But that's beyond bad luck. Oh boy. That's a personal failure rate of 75%.

Or the black one is just the superior model. Actually, there is actual evidence for that because when I spoke to the guys at EB, they were telling me that everybody, every time they had Monster Hunter ones or Majora's ones, people came back. Those are the faultiest ones. Those are the faultiest. Oh, the Majora ones still? Yeah.

Which is the most bullshit ever. Oh my god, the Xenoblade faceplate is going to be amazing. Yeah, I knew it. I was looking for it. Totally fucked. And the red and black ones, every time they got a shipment in, there'd be at least one person to come back with it, one defective. But the red and black ones seem to be way less defective than the special edition rare ones.

Yeah, apparently. Because actually, the black one, just because it's been along, like the regular 3DS is all before this, there was never a black option or was there? That's been a long time. There was. I don't know why. Wasn't there one at launch? It was black and blue?

Was there? The original 3DS. The original 3DS. Yeah, but that was ages ago. Because I remember you had your black one on the table. No, you had your black one on the table. And I was looking at it. We all had our black ones on the table.

Yeah, and I was like, it's been so long since I've seen a black console like 3DS. It's been a hot minute, yeah. The original 3DS is like, it's the DS fat. Like, it's the worst handheld ever. Well, because the DSi, when it came out with, not the DSi, the DS light when it came out with the white and the black one. Oh, so good. It was the sexiest fucking thing.

And then like, yeah, and then they just got rid of that whole thing. Dude, if you had a console that was the DS light exterior with like a Vita interior, where the whole thing is just that fucking shiny. Be some sick shit. Like, oh, why don't they come back? It's called the shield. It's called the shield. Welcome to the discussion.

Liam and I have, for an hour, every time he comes to record my house. It puts us off recording so quickly. I'm not, that is not an exaggeration. Because I don't care too much for the back of the Vita. Sure. I don't, you know, it's not. Nobody looks at the back. But the outside, how could the DS light and the interior of the back.

It's true. Just the vice-sexiness. Why don't you just do it? Yeah, because money. Because money. I know. I know. So yeah, what have you been planning?

I've played Majora's Mask. Majora's Mask is fucking stellar. And the improvements are great with the second stick and stuff. Yeah. Dude, that second stick is way better than I thought it was. I appreciate the fucking stumbling block, dude. It don't feel weird because it was me too. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. It wakes me up with a text message going, where the fuck is the Goron song? Where is it? Goron's Lullaby. Where the fuck is it? And I was just like, oh my god, yeah. I remember. I remember.

That's a fucking, that's a problem and a half. Yeah. And I just like, I'm pretty sure it's in there. Liam's like, oh my god, I'm an idiot. Of course it's there. And he's like, yeah. No, everyone forgets. All right.

Don't tell, don't. I'm not saying that. Of course not. I want to get just as stuck. I looked in my, I think I was talking about, I have a French strategy guide for the game. I looked in it and it just omits parts of the game. And it just, like, snow head is almost entirely skipped. I'm like, what am I supposed to do?

No, but that is, it's like, whatever. I don't want to spoil for people. Yeah, of course. I'm not going to say it. But it's so fucking like, ugh. Yeah. You know, I am a dumb person kind of thing. It's definitely the, I mean, like, you know, everyone already knew this, but it's definitely

the trickiest Zelda without a doubt. It requires the most, um, attentiveness, I suppose. You can pay attention. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, I think it's without a doubt the hardest one too. So, like, barring the originals and stuff in terms of sheer difficulty. I think Zelda 1 is probably the hardest by far.

But that's like... Now Zelda 2 is pretty hard. Yeah, in terms of the modern ones, I think it's the hardest one. If we blind LP'd it, it would be catastrophic. Yeah. Well also, not paying attention to the camera on your shoulder pointing at the 3DS. Yeah. But we should be able to play it because we've done it before.

Oh no, I know. But I'm just saying the whole thing of like, alright, when in time am I supposed to go find this thing? Alright, now rewind. Oh no, I have to redo the whole dungeon. How would actually young Link even be able to, like, kayfabe? He's a child. He probably doesn't understand how he gets his tunic on every day. He's a child, but he's lived another life.

Like, most people, most adults couldn't do the task management that he does. That's why he's the hero of time. He's the hero of time, I suppose. He does those sick flips. When you live in the land of bartering, like, anything knows. Yeah. Back in the day, merchant economics were more complex and more easily understood by people because it was like, I got this goat!

You want a bottle? I want the bottle. Yeah, okay. You know they added another bottle to this game? Oh, did they? Yeah, because they're so heart and well, tricky to find in all the 3DS Zelda games, they said let's put another one in. Let's just make it a bit easier on it.

Good, more bottles. Yeah. Are you seeing how fucked the people of Clock Town are? I always do, but yeah. They're so fucking weird. Well, when faced with imminent doom, you kind of let it all hang out. Yeah. Sure.

No, but the characters are out there, like the hand in the toilet. Really out there. Yeah, for sure. If you've never played Link's Awakening, by the way, you really should. Oh, no, I have. Okay, because it's the originator. And I love that hand in the toilet thing and Skyward Sword. Yeah, I forgot about that.

But no, definitely. And what's his face, who dances on the giant rocks and stuff? Like, the cast is really out there. It's fucking weirdos. Top to bottom? The dog racing girl. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay.

That says everything I need to know. Exactly. The only thing that bothers me, and it's such a minor nitpick, but it's just, you obviously at this point, if you've played Smash Brothers, you've seen the four big red things. Yeah. Right? I hate the design of those fucking jokes.

They're weird design. I really don't like them. They're not amazing, but whatever. I think they fit. They show up so little. I understand them. But by description, I expect four Agano-style motherfuckers to come out. No, you expect that if you're playing Twilight Princess,

but from Majora's Mask, they fit in perfectly. You know what I mean? Just don't... Just give them heads, man. No, no, no, they gotta be weird. Dude, you want, like, annoyances? You know what parts of this game I've seen? I've seen the Deku shrubbed stuff, and the final boss in ending.

Yeah. Fuck. Because I went over to a friend of mine's house, and he said, hey, check this shit out. I'm gonna throw the fierce dating link mask on. I'm like, oh, this is cool. What's this? So it's the ending of the new Zelda.

Like, oh, well... Thanks, man. Did you see the Zone that you get it in? Nope. Okay, well then... Good. You're still okay. Good.

That Zone is like... That's a spoiler now. Yes, it is. It's... It's kind of bummed that I know that one. Does that house Twilight Princess guy turns into a skeleton? No. No.

That's, like, total speculation. Ah, your speculation. You're a big speculatory speculator. It's probably, like, my favorite set piece place in all of Zelda. It's pretty amazing, for sure. Anyway. Otherwise, I played through the order. Me and Pat played through the order.

We got an early copy of it, so we had a chance. We would have needed an early copy to play through it in a time allotted. Nope. We've already gotten most of the punchier side of this argument out of the way. Yeah, it wasn't, because I wasn't looking forward to hearing it for a third time. No, so what we've been doing is when we can see these arguments coming like a full week in advance at this point. So we just get the meme parts out of the way first.

The name calling. And where I tell you you're crazy and you tell me I'm an asshole. Yeah. And then we get huff and puff. And we blow ourselves up. That's right. So what do you fucking think of the order? Just plain.

I think it is a good game. Yeah. I do not think it is great. I don't, like, if I had to give it an arbitrary number score, I'd give it, like, a seven on ten. Seven on ten? And you are not making a comment on its market value. No, that's a different thing. And I will go on to say...

We'll have that discussion right afterwards. Sure, sure. But without even talking about the value of the game or anything, which is not great, I think the game is good. I think the gunplay is surprisingly competent and fun. And, like, the way the acceleration handles and stuff. Yes, I agree. It's completely.

The gunplay is really spot on. I think the story is at its average. There's not much special or amazing going on. The setting is, like, actually pretty interesting with the way the knights are and stuff. I don't want to spoil it on, you know, day two of the game being out. Yeah, whatever. Or Friday. Friday.

Everyone's already beaten it, man. It's true. But the setting is actually pretty interesting. Man, go fuck yourself wearing that t-shirt in my house. Go fuck yourself. What shirt? Oh, he's wearing a biker mice shirt. Good shit.

I was waiting for the podcast video to do a thing. Is that why you wanted to do the podcast at Woolies today? It is not. It is not. There's no other fucker. All right, so leave it. And the entire thing. What a railroad.

I don't care. I can't control it. The entirety of the audio-visual presentation is like ten on ten, eleven on ten. Eleven on ten. It's the best looking video game that exists ever. I also think, like, this game is the new standard that any game claiming to be cinematic should be helped to. Sure. And I think that in that regard, this game succeeds more than any game has ever succeeded.

Yeah. Like, Quantum Dream, eat your hearts out. Yeah, absolutely. If this game kicks ass. The heart you lack. Now, I'm going to have to disagree with you on a couple points. Not all that much. Absolutely.

Where you say the story is all right. It's all right. I say the story is terrible. Like, really, really terrible. And for reasons that don't really apply to you, Liam, because I'm the kind of person that I want to guess the twist. Yeah, of course. Everyone who's watching our LPs, they know I'm always trying to guess the twist.

I'm talking bullshit. That's the biggest amount of fun that I have with the story. Yeah. Is that when I guess it and then I'm wrong. That's awesome. And then I'm like, yes. You took me for a ride. Yeah.

This game has the most obvious, most cliche twists I have seen in a game in ages. There are moments, you know that moment where, let's use Amazing Spider-Man 2 for an example. You know when Gwen Stacy says to Peter, so can you come to Paris with me? And he says yes. Yeah. Well, she might as well just get decapitated right now. Okay, that happens in the order. I don't think it's quite as bad as that because it's not Spider-Man.

Yeah. But that moment totally happens. Everything about the final, I want to say half of the game. I was playing through with my girlfriend yesterday because she's wanting to play through it. It's about a third of the game. Everything? But a big chunk. Teasrafts.

Let's say 40%. Let's say generously 40%. Yeah, 40% sounds half. You see the whole game in front of you. The whole thing. You're like, that guy is the bad guy. That guy, I'm going to be mad at. He might betray you.

I have to go here. I have to do this. This is, you know, the build up of the last 40% is to the big reveal. And then the big reveal happens and you go, yeah, I know. And then what's even worse than that, in my opinion, is that the game for, it's a short game. But it's more than that. It feels like there were two chapters that were cut out. Like it feels like, like it.

Do you mean at the end? Yeah. Yeah. I feel it's not as bad as the example I'm going to use. So don't think it's nearly as bad as this. But the example, it is, it feels like Soul Reaver. It feels like Soul Reaver one in which you defeat a boss and then they jump through a portal and then the credits start to roll and you go, what?

The better comparison is it feels like Halo 2 where you beat a guy and you go, what? That ended half an hour early. Yeah. And then they cut to what I personally consider a really, really brash sequel tease. That said, the sequel sounds hella more interesting than the sequel sounds really interesting. But this game feels like a prologue. This game feels like it should have been a comic book before the game came out. Now having only touched that initial demo, like the only thing I had for the both of you were just questions about mechanics.

Yeah. The most interesting things to me were two things in particular. Leveling up your weapons. Making sure that, well, one, I hope that every gun is as interesting as this ignition gun. So there's the guns and then there's the science weapons. Yeah. They're called. There are five science weapons and there's one that's fixed to a specific level at a very specific location.

Literally go to the spot, pick it up, do a sequence, put it down. So there's four science guns for the game. Okay. And I was hoping it was a game of all interesting guns. The Thermite rifle, the one that everyone's seen, is the fucking standout by far. And the Tesla cannon goes right up there. The Tesla cannon's number two, but the Thermite rifle's easily the coolest. It's the most interesting.

Because it works differently. But you get to... I want Mega Man weapons, man. You've already seen the coolest one and you get to use them very infrequently. Like Liam found them more in the game than I did. You can get them a bit more, especially if you like, hey, I killed this guy. I'm just going to pick it up on this corpse. Oh, but you can miss them.

But for me, the only time... Yeah, there's some sections where you'll come in with a rifle and you might kill a guy who has one and just walk past it, but you can just take it from him. The way I played through the game and I didn't rush and I just missed it, but I got to use that Thermite rifle once. Which was the section that they handed it to you. Which is the section that they literally put it in your hand. And then you fought a bunch of them.

Yeah. And then you told me, and then they take it away. I never figured out a way to get to the places that... Like, I would kill them too early and they would be inaccessible. Right. For me to actually pick the weapon. I know, like, from watching my girlfriend, there's at least a couple where you kill them and if you actually put your mind to it, you can get it.

No problem. I totally missed it. Regardless. The Lichen thing being Lichen Fights. No. Lichen Fights are the worst part of the game. Really? Do you mean the regular enemy Lichen Fights?

Okay, I'll break it down. The regular enemy Lichen Fights. I asked Willy if he had played Dead Space 2 and he hadn't. But I'm still going to use the example because it's the perfect example. They're like the Raptor enemies. The Raptor enemies you first encounter in the church in Chapter 7 or 8 of Dead Space 2. That is the Lichen fight. Except the Dead Space 2 version is way better in every way.

So they charge at you and you have a prompt to dodge them. Okay. And they run back. Lots of pillars and crates in the area around you. And those fights are repeated and they are exactly the same every time. Although fortunately there's only three of them. Yeah. And you only fight a total of nine?

Nine. The entire game? No, no, wait, wait, wait. You fight ten. Ten total. You fight two and then the one gets away, then you fight three, then you fight three, then there's the two bosses. Yeah.

So eight regular ones and then two big ones. Are the bosses like cool boss fights? The first boss fight is awesome. And it is a really cool like modern Resident Evil 4 knife fight QTE cutscene. Okay. And then the final boss fight is that again exactly with no changes. So there are some changes in that they throw a few more interactables in there. Sure.

But it's very similar. And it is the same. I say like 70% the same. Better than Mordor. Way better than Mordor, yeah. But it's still the final boss is a quick time event. Okay. And it's not even the final boss you want to fight.

Now as far as value goes. As far as value goes, this is one of the worst I have ever seen. Like, you know. Ground Zero's shit's all over this. Well I think it's important to say Ground Zero's was good value from day one. Yeah. Like actually doing all the content in that game. Do you know why?

Because you can find more content in Ground Zero's. Yeah. You can look around. You can let alone the faith end games. The way Mordor is made is like the only thing is that maybe Pat can play it again. No. I don't want to. No.

No. I mean the only way is that maybe you can play it again to find the Thermite weapons a bit more because you missed them. The only replay value is trophies. Do you care about trophies? The game doesn't even save your collectibles. Is there a nightmare difficulty? There's a hard difficulty.

There's a hard. Okay. But I wouldn't recommend it. Yeah. There's no reason for it to be hard. And so like on value. The normal difficulty is like difficult enough as it is. Yeah.

Like it's well balanced. Yeah. Normal difficulty is fine. You actually die pretty easy in that game. Yeah. On like on the value judgment it's like it's more complex than just saying. So I beat it. I timed it.

Yeah. Because everyone said seven to eight hours. I said seven to eight. But nobody had a timer. But nobody had a timer. Like no. I'm going to time it. Yeah.

Five hours and 45 minutes. The exact same length as that quote unquote speed run YouTube let's play. And but that's not the whole story. And the cutscene like breakdowns or whatever those were not reliable. The game does two things with this one. It constantly gives you small cutscenes. Yeah. It constantly every time you transition an area every time it's like here's the 30 second

cutscene where guys talk on the radio or something like that to walk you into the next day. And that breaks up the pace I think really poorly like all the time like I'm the kind of person I want full uninterrupted control for an hour. Yeah. And and this is that maybe twice. Yeah. For 40 minutes.

And the other thing is that like the cutscenes is maybe what an hour total two hours 10 two hours 10 total of the five of the six hour game of however yeah but that doesn't include the long sequence you're remembering years of war when you had to load in a stage and you do the walk and talk. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of walk. There are a lot of sequences that are designed to be tense because you're in a catacomb or

something you're like you know lantern and like I'm exploring it I'm looking around. 1886. But you can't move any faster and once I realized what these sections were you can't get through them any faster either and those form a not insignificant chunk of the game either. I don't think it's super significant. I think that's maybe half an hour at best. But half an hour of this game sure is like 15 percent of the whole game sure the value proposition is so bad it's so bad like what do mean you agree like twenty dollars twenty

dollars or less is like but even then I'm like I don't think it's worth playing. I would say if you would say it is well I would say if you're interested in video games as a medium I think it's well worth playing because it's it's unique and it's interesting in that sense because no other game has done this as well as this is impressive. The comparison that I was I was asking you guys about that you both seem to agree with is this is the PS4 version of Rise. Yeah I agree with that. The problem is that this isn't the launch anymore.

I think I think that it plays a lot better than and I have problems with the gameplay I think the the fucking areas that you fight in are hilariously small sure but Rise like was launch was a launch it was launch launch day one and and while the setting for the order is appreciated I think that like the just like this game shoots better than Rise plays. Yeah. For sure. Yeah but Rise has more than one color and it has the multiplayer and it has but no I

just mean like even if Rise is worse you mean literally the color palette the fact that there's red and blue and and yellow on the and green on the screen when you play Rise like dude this is this is the this is the most photorealistic immaculate perfect image quality amazing looking game ever and it is it is a gray slab. So most of the time when I think gray slab games I think kills on two yeah that's a great slab which is the grayest slab I can think of right now it was kind of on the back of the box that was a mark that was that was and that's why they turned close on three and it will blue slab yeah exactly but yeah this is what I was going to say for the order

because like again I was you know I was watching it last night I was thinking about because you you told me I was thinking about that statement and like the colors are very accurate though you know what I mean yes like they didn't go out of their way to gray it down no it's like they chose like it should they chose the setting they said okay it's it's England right it's London 1880s it's the 1880s and it's raining all the time and there's lots of smoke yeah therefore the natural lighting conditions would lead it to look like downtrodden huge amount of there's no desaturated filter it's actually just the way the setting yeah it's not it's not the visuals it's the setting it's like when people say that Russia is bleak

yeah kind of thing sure well and the environments do get colored up when you go to like richer more upscale places and as that was you know get your great your ego it looks like a great thing of whatever yeah because you don't go anywhere else you stay you go to a forest I'd say in the second arc of the game you go to more colorful the docks is the best looking location right you don't get over like rise you go to tons of different environments you go on like there's not a single place in in in the order that looks as visually interesting on a like like design level as the the barbarian night forest so when you think about the game visually it all kind of bleeds together I was gonna say I think there's one character

that's kind of a spoiler so character yeah that's a spoiler that's a spoiler he was talking about locations oh sure wait no just finish the sentence there's one character that oh well I thought you just said there was one more visually interesting character and rise the barbarian no no I just meant the character of the oh the character no there's there are two really good characters in this game really great yeah and they are like given not enough time on the screen at all like you get to the end and the character does something you go you know what man you're all right I like you character and then you never see them again I just want to jump in really quickly on the value statements because someone asked me like hey how come this how come you guys

love this game then and the game you mentioned was a game I think we're all familiar it's called vanquish that's right yeah vanquish is that you can complete it in maybe four hours if you suck yeah vanquish is short in one hour if you're great the problem with vanquish you can complete it again and again and again no not even that's not a fair statement that applies to any game as long as you have the drive so no but what will the difference is that you can complete that game with a different set of weapons and that is a more valid there is an there is an incentive to replay and I'm as well as do the challenge I'm gonna break down the challenge mode is like something that was so tough that I like who who got really deep into the godlike schmuck pat yes that's the one guy I know

but here's here's the real reason why vanquish compares this vanquish is millhouse playing bone storm of the tv blowing your hair back every second and just going oh my god I'm playing the fucking most video game video wow and when I when I was getting when I started to see the story fault like kind of fall apart for me vanquish is terrible no I'm talking about the order yeah but when that started to happen to me I was getting really bored of the order like I almost didn't finish the game despite how short it was I was gonna say I think they're two similar games in that regard and I think depending on your your intrinsic values you're gonna like one more than the other because I know a lot of people didn't like vanquish because they just didn't get it I

like robots and it's like hey if you do like this style of gameplay you're gonna love vanquish for that and hey if you just want cinematic storytelling you're gonna prefer the order yeah but but really the replay value I agree with you because I'm in the field where I've replayed vanquish multiple times absolutely it's intrinsic value yeah because there's no in-game reward yeah because it's just we think the game is better it's intrinsic value yeah okay you are right there and I mean and for me personally I have the same thing with the bearer's edge yeah I enjoyed that's another good example more than the average consumer and that game's like fuck four hours long five hours long about four yeah but there'd be times where you and I will he would treat it I don't know if you did

also Liam where you treat it like res HD where you're just like man I don't I don't what I feel like doing this afternoon I'm gonna fly through bearer's edge I can't like yeah I played it the once I did all challenge things but yeah that sewer run by a good three I don't even think like that I just go I want to just beat the whole game again right now okay no I'm like fucked up that fence pause restart yeah also that's why mirrors edge was designed to be played like that yeah whereas like the order it's designed to watch an okay movie and it shoots some things yeah me me and Liam are on the very extreme ends of the spectrum where I think I think the story is really bad like I think it's cliche to the point of thinking the viewer is stupid uh yeah yeah I know

that far but no but yeah but that's why I say it's extreme yeah and you say the story is what all right all right it's it's no worse than like a movie plot yeah yeah see the whole thing so but what I say here is that like take into account like if you've heard me and Liam argue in the past like that's the total variance the variance here is between the on the story is like what between four and six out of ten and seven and my four and seven right yeah usually we say zero and ten yeah exactly but here like it's in the middle this is a middling game yeah what stopped them from putting in um uh mercenaries you know mode kind of similar or something I I want to say like their their abject well either money or their abject desire to keep the game every every universe

really every interview they ever did and things into it also I know but I mean I think they actually just didn't because they want to keep our universe like really like on point okay they don't just want to have you video game they don't want to do that I don't think they design the game to have little value also oh no also I I would say there's too much game in this game I would also say there's not enough enemy types in the game to do that well there's there's five there are five enemies and then there's the lichens well I threw that word out there for a here's a second thing on the main main mercenaries and resi for like that same amount of enemy right yeah but you can do so much more to those enemies yeah in order you know uh and you have a lot more player like there's a

lot of little things about the order that really annoyed me like there's a cutscene early on where you use the alternate fire on your main rifle which is that air burst air burst to knock a guy out do that alternate fire is terrible it is I found it really useful against what because for well whenever the shotgunners would come down the hall I'd be like yeah fuck off okay air burst them and okay well that it's just it's just so interesting because I bring up that question I've heard that that comment before though yeah every time I try people say that every time I try to use it I bring up that question thinking specifically about how game design positions are offered to people that have the ability to create content where there are no new assets that's a skill no of course and it's

a desirable skill of course so it's just weird you know saying to pat jokingly is that maybe the game is like this because reddy at dawn doesn't know how to make their own game because every game they've made prior to this has been a sequel or a something else in another studio's universe and okami daxter on the psp all the god of war games and maybe it's like what do we do we don't know for the first one for their first one me like just and and like he joked about that and I think that's a little reductionist yeah like there's there's actually an element to like I don't think these guys actually know how to start a story I know that I know that there's clearly a lot of thought put into the universe into the continuance of their story and you're saying visually this is a bar

now uh yeah yeah I do pc games don't touch it the fact that like an 80 person team made this is bananas this game it's the best looking game there is like and and to the people that are going to come at me when I said pc games can't touch this yeah yes they can in the screenshot thread but actually playing it yeah exactly they do not just on the image quality alone you just said 80 people well that's what worries me why were the 80 people more concerned with making it the best looking thing graphically where it should have had 120 people and that well that makes more of a game I I said a crazy thing one time I said what on this thing I've known for that I said on this podcast you shouldn't make games about drugs and I got blasted by all three of you and commenters because

people should be allowed to make whatever kind of games they want okay and I came to realize that that's something I agree with and I was wrong there and I'd like to say I think they should be allowed to make whatever game they want yeah and if the guys who made journey were allowed to make journey which has the almost the exact same dollar to our value yeah I don't see why these guys you know what you're totally right but if they design the game they want they shouldn't then say stop talking shit about so that's that's another so that's a whole that's a whole other technically news but fuck it let's roll it rolled into this and I don't really have much to say about it other than if you got out and they say before when the length stuff was coming out ready at dawn

sent people out to talk to the press and the statements came back that the internet is the new place for bullies because they're talking about our game yeah and our our game is a hundred dollar stake and what would you rather have a shitty twenty dollar ten stakes or whatever have some fucking self-respect yeah now that for you and your company and your game to fucking stand there and take your lumps who who was this person I said it was a developer was it just a pure guy that works for it it was a guy who works at rad I'm not sure I'm not sure what his position was he wasn't the guy in charge because that's rue whatever his name is um but yeah it depends on what his developer of course yeah if it was like main designer I'm like oh that's bad

but if it's like Paul yeah hey man if your vision disagrees with the consumer reality fucking great good you can never stick into your guns but fucking stick you put the thing out you stand there and you take it and to get out in front before the game comes out and say to do damage control yeah is embarrassing I mean like that was really me and you were in total agreement that was really dumb position pretty much says that it's like variable price points is something that everyone says is a good idea but no one wants to actually do it it's a tough one though isn't it the boldest thing ever because like to do that when I come home with a game and I say this game was $40 and my friend says oh it's a bargain game like it's hard to break that perception

because the order is not a bargain game you know it's a bargain game it's a hard place it's a hard place to even broach as a publisher I feel as well but that just goes to show you how bad it is that we're instead like we haven't instilled definitely definitely for fucking quality but it's but it's a scary thing isn't it yeah no the only one that's not so black and white I think the only major company that kind of does it and even then they don't go enough it's like Nintendo kind of does they try a little bit Captain Toad is $40 and like Captain Toad should probably be $30 or something like that but it's better than $60 it's better than $60 but still they could do it even more there's also the the mega releases where they go like oh this game is like of all half like well no like

um $120 like Future Shop is selling fucking whatever for a half price on day one what oh lost planet two transformers dead space um but that's that's their decision that's their decision that they're taking that loss that that's the that's the retailer yeah seeing the market reality way before the developer publisher does in that we ordered this many uh oh uh oh those were publisher incentives no those were those are retail especially in Canada those are we are not going to be able to clear this off the shelves you're too much you and I work to the Future Shop guy one time at a company we worked at and he told me that was a loss leader thing so yeah no that was uh it's it's either it's either loss leading or we have to get these off the shelves but I

feel like going down to a $40 bargain price it's something that that company should do but I don't think it's so black and white as just doing it because the market perception where people say oh it's a bargain oh it's a shit game that's what it says it's really hard to drop and the thing sweary leading the pack and the thing that leaving on my choice yeah I imagine if the order did have sort of sort of drug of well it does the black water yeah has drugs but imagine there's a sticker on the order that says 1999 friend price friend friend yeah like just like nart employee and and this is a big problem because Liam and I were talking about like okay what if the order was exactly the same exactly the same but it was $30 but if it was $30 that meant it would have had

to head of a smaller budget which means that it would have lost its one unbelievable shining bullet point which this is the best looking game of all time and at that price point without that bullet point what's the point of even making the game yeah because you suddenly made an average average perfectly average game okay what about you released it for $20 on PSN and it looks maybe a little bit worse but it's the same length and it's the same it's designed the same way would that have helped the situation all these things well I think it was intended I think when they green-lit it was intended to be a system seller right so I think they they want to say ultimate reality would that you like do you think anyone would be up in arms about like the value proposition or no I don't

think so because I don't think anyone would be talking about it because they released uh they released Murasaki baby for $14 and that game is a very similar thing where it's a very bad value proposition but it's very good at what it does and but it's also because of the same fucked up so I don't I think it would have either gotten lucky and gotten a journey like reception or it would have gotten unlucky and gotten a Murasaki baby like because the thought of bargain prices applies to downloadable games as well for everyone is unfortunately including us when you think of a downloadable game still scoff at $20 for a downloadable yeah well axiom verge today was announced to be $20 and people are like that's $10 too expensive axiom verge looks cool it looks

amazing game of the year 25 hey hey everybody yeah like everyone wants to get the best deal and everybody needs to try and fight for the best deal but nobody wants to turn into the god damn ios store yeah yeah so I don't know I I think it's a good game on the whole I think it's a bad game worth playing once it's at $20 I think the one thing we can agree on is it's probably worth playing if you're interested in the medium like I want to see how cinematic games could be or if you just want to show that you want to show off the shine yeah yeah me and Liam fall on the opposite sides of the middle of the scale yeah but what we can agree on unequivocally is that you should not pull paid 60 to 80 dollars for this game yeah but every console needs the the shiny

too but like hey son why do you spend this much money and this is the motherfucking shunt this is one of the shiniest that's ever been yeah Liam did you do anything else this week uh wow then we got this out of the way now and it was friendly that went all better than anyone expected that was people that was here you did camaraderie did it that was not our hands let's go get a drink right now because I was thinking of not showing up today just because I didn't like this conversation we get it out of the way before the podcast no that's why it was fine um I don't think I did anything else really just gonna silently inject venom into his sleep it's fine you know it's okay I didn't do anything else significantly this week but I again uh sat

and contemplated the last page of saga volume four again uh and that was pretty much it because yeah yeah did you did you read that between the last podcast or now did you know and you forgot just you know I I just forgot to mention it but I read that right that last page I never I didn't talk to you about I think I texted you right when I read it Matt and I was just like oh my god that's back because you're like yeah and we can't even talk about it we can't talk about it kissing nothing it's a good book we can say don't read saga you're reading it and you're flipping those pages like this is a good volume it's continuing an escalator and you get the last page god damn it just goes to 13 it was all a dream after all do you remember Liam saying

how the start of volume four was kind of like yeah it's it's all right yeah and I kind of was like yeah it's all right it's it's kind of going in a different way than I thought but like it's still good and then but that last thing going okay this is what they're leading up to this this revelations event yeah and the freak out that I had when they introduced like second girl that's the hottest thing ever they introduced third girl that's equally on that level in terms of just this is not the norm wait which girl the brand yes yes yeah this is not the norm in terms of comic book character designs and this is fucking 12 on 10 I can't get over it it's so good you know the cats girl too yes yeah like the majority female cast best character in the entire story the best

line cat no hands down moving on you should read this comic I know you think comics are for losers Pat but no I just say that I know you just get away from it sure I think music's for losers too but I listen to music yeah Matt did you have a week uh Ikea trip you saw some of it when you guys came over uh just got a bunch of you pay you always go second or first eat my shit mixing it up to I want to hear about Ikea I'm genuinely interested in this did you get a homestor aqua did you get a did you get a little cup to hold your balls your question they're all death metal or their own louts in the thing you bought uh no because Pat men get things and they build with your hands I know this is a foreign concept to you and you're you're lost about where hammers are sold

but when you have a piece of furniture I build stuff yeah you have not I built my bookcases that were where were they from Canadian time okay anyway uh so I chose to go to Ikea to get bookcases to hold my games all right can I ask you now did you go by yourself or did you go I don't drive a car okay so you carry your relationship still intact yes okay no no we're very good at Ikea because we hate everyone at Ikea 30 rock fucking presented this and it's the super truth man because at Ikea it's like if you're not a family you are considered shit tier yeah there's parking there's there's there's handicap parking which is great yeah but then there's fuck you family parking oh yeah fuck that people you can go to Ikea to watch the couples break up people with kids should be forced

to park in the middle of the road that's what I fucking did in the car in the Ikea parking spot is that you literally are a lion in the savannah dude and you're following people that are walking two cars and you what the fuck are going what's wrong and we're driving like oh shit no oh no he's picking something out of the car and then he's gonna fuck that guy did you have did you have the windows down when you drove into the parking lot no it's cold okay oh that's true but uh in the summer or something roll down the windows because you drive into the parking lot and if you listen hard enough you can hear good walk jeez it's ready so so when you walk into the Ikea uh how much of your mental mental when you when you when you when you're walking around in the Ikea and you're

reading these these descriptions how much of your mental acuity and resolve are you expending on a percentage level to not just Swedish chefing the whole okay if you haven't been there there's a gigantic cafeteria where there's guys in chef costume yeah and it's pretty hard to not laugh at the table that's called boring but there's a fucking dot on the oh it's really tough you are but but it's just work work work just to fast forward it we built all our stuff but the thing that I'm sure woolly will like me to reiterate is that we're also there to get uh the mrs a proper table so that you can do all do all the girly preparations in the morning which is put on makeup doing hair and yeah so I get to match place I noticed a few things moved around and there's

a new little corner set up it's clear where you've got like the you know the chair the the mirror and then all the makeup ready to docking bay and I was like oh there's some new installments going on over here man what's going on and I'm like this is called the battle stations that's such a good word any ladies like let us know is that a real thing because apparently it's like you know people on tumblr whenever there's makeup blogs and all that but I want to know is that like a widespread thing because it'd be awesome if that was localized in the city because it turned her friends would say it and I have a theory that if I wish guys had something that cool yeah battle stations man cave yeah you put a bunch of those together and you get a war room people say man

cave like it's a cool thing it's not it's it's your basement it's gross yeah the idea of having one talk about the same man cave here plank it calm down yeah okay I'm saying like the idea of having to splorch sound effect in here blop blop if you've got if you've got the house years of love if you've got the house and then you've got to have the separate man cave where all your man things go just make sure you put your balls down there as well yeah it's because it says that I can't take them out of this room on the 3ds really quickly I kept playing a zio drifter it's still really good it's really tough that game actually I died a couple times but it's one of

those games that's really fair when you die it's like oh okay I'll just I mean like dark souls yeah like like mutant mods as well right where it's like very cut and dry very fair in that it is but it's even tougher than mutant mods because it's it's and it's a game that does not tell you what to do which is great and it's got one of the weirdest equip screens ever where it's like you have to look at like hieroglyphics like space hieroglyphics what how does it oh this is how I upgrade my gun I have an extra point and I put it and it's like it's hard that's pretty interesting it's really really interesting and I play I told me I played a lot of rage of the gladiator on my 3ds because I never I had it on my old 3ds and I played the first it's a punch out game yeah it's

you're gladiator you're defeating opponents after opponents and it's a fun little game but I was telling Liam that the fucking voice acting is the most woeful like 1998 like you're fighting no but do sense she goes do you like my hair and I go continue and there's no that's my quip and then every time you knock the guy down get a knock knock down he goes oh I will marry you and I'm like is this it and all of the things are like that there's like a manticore style monster that has like a lion head and like not a manticore that works and two snakes and he talks to the snakes and one's a coward and the other and he's like yeah go attack him and then the county snakes like I don't wanna and then the like what are they from the Bronx and then the lines like are you

and I'm like what the fuck characters are these it's so weird that's right that's old man game design it really is not it reminds me of like an old pc game like died by the sword and even even dumber than that this was it was made for uh we wear originally so I guess it was on quite the budget yeah then it got an iOS what you're describing honestly sounds like a like a 1995 pc yeah it's still it's still really well put together the actual finding is fine uh okay so there was a new zeo drifter candidate to possibly be uh frog fractions too no it's not that obscure still not yet still not yet frog fractions too will be a shortly a browser game I'm excited for whoever makes the first fake frog factions too yeah that gets a lot of that fucking meta I know

on twitter I saw that you're not yeah on twitter I saw last night jubilee takahata a couple other people and they're all talking about something called fast lane and I go that was a shitty fox tv show hold on a minute cares about this what are they talking about it hold on a minute what fast lane was the shit it was bad it was a bad fast and the furious rip off but it was a tv water down fox it was really bad so I was really confused and apparently wwe just stopped the elimination chamber pay-per-view or they stopped the pay-per-view and they came out with a brand new one called wwe fast lane are there cars involved it's the one before rustle mania now okay rustle mania sorry and you see Matthew you see all these people going wow this is absolutely

shit but bill bellamy though how does it work he was in fast lane shut up how does it work because elimination chambers cool but I don't know if fast lane has anything I tried to research it and all all that I found out is that they have cars zooming sound effects on the graphics wow that's the only difference zoom zoom and sting showed up again and he did nothing and right now our main event for rustle mania is daniel bryan versus roman reigns just switch out boutista and now it's roman reigns remember how that went how we wanted roman reigns to win the last one yeah the last last one there's been a bit of a sea change since we only only wanted him to win at the time because like look at the other guy it's it's it's it roman reigns with the raucous is stand no the raucous

just washed his hands of that he's not showing i'm going back to gi joe where i'm i'm going back to stuff that i like to dive in my scrooge money god like it's it's just they don't get it and the best thing to say about is that osw reviews and i was talking about them in a second but they go vinceman man says you people don't like what you think you like we need to tell you what you like did he actually fucking say i don't know because he repeating this quote in a vince man voice would like you don't like what you think you like you like roman reigns oh messy yeah right and and he did not really say that yeah i know he did he said he did when they did like some other obscure thing unless you put him over a barrel like cm punk did and and then the last

thing leading into that osw reviews finally start reviewing the attitude era yo as a as a as a as a segment no no like these are the most important parts of the attitude okay because i'm like that's like saying let's review the 70s no well that's what they were thumbs down our our 100 days they reviewed all of the 80s they would review every pay per view of the 80s almost click here to read our 1200 word review of the 70s and then they did then they did ecw then they did the david arkett saga in wcw when he won the world title wow and now they're like let's move on to the attitude these guys are in there they're in there so they review the attitude era and one of the things they start with they go is like what was weird about this show where the the crowd was

insane there they were hyped up for everything and they go the crowd was happy the crowd liked what was going on that's the main difference and they go this match against edgen christian and the the the hearty boys everyone went nuts for it it's like i'm not used to this i'm not used to the crowd booing who's in the ring the the faces i'm not used to them booing roman reigns and booing when daniel brine loses i'm not used to people enjoying russians it was so weird and also the the best thing which you much like is they count down what's the frizz level on kane and they go frizz they have a little graphic this is level 20 percent and kane's like classic kane that we all love right oh this just cut like so deep 20 percent frizz and then when he's had a long

match and he's on the top of the rope and he's gonna do the kane dive off the rope and do it and he's got this gigantic poof and there's like frizz level maximum max it's so crazy you know it's so on point and i i didn't even finish the review of this one pay review yet because it's like two hours long but like it's such good stuff it's like everyone just going this was the renaissance yeah there are a lot of people that every time we talk about the attitude error they come like hey you guys are idiots you're fucking the pg eras the the the new shit you guys just like dumb gimmicky characters but and you know what they might even be right they might be right but there is one thing you can't deny is that the back in the attitude

era you didn't have to worry about the crowd leaving 100% miserable yeah after every single night you didn't have to have digitally removed crowd booze and and piped in crowd chants on your because the crowd liked the show and now it feels like the crowd goes because they've liked the show for too long to stop there's something to be said about people enjoying media yeah back in the day before the attitude era my mom thoroughly enjoyed the wholesome pure wrestling right that came before it every one of my family loved 90s early 90s wrestling exactly it was it was an event it was a thing that we did it's that dumb cartoon shit with hulk hogan and dusty and then when the attitude era like rolled around and my brother started getting into it we realized

our mom hated the shit that was happening because it gets real and we loved it more because your mom's a fucking narc yeah and the other thing that your mom loves stevie williams the only thing that you have to worry about in terms of advertised the attitude era is like oh here's another little quick stridex pads add and now it's hawking the network every three seconds and saying how it's half off please buy it 9999 not you you're not you you're not good enough and just advertising every few seconds like a russell coming on coming on to do a segment and he's holding a can of mountain due to the camera i'm sure pat with with the brand shot yeah oh the brand shots but i can't wait until the contracts get to the point where it's like he has to be drinking it while he's saying while he's

doing his promo he's got to talk through the liquid you have to pay attention to what t-shirt they're wearing on off the record with michael and sponsored by the keg yes you got to pay attention that's where the spots come in that's literally one of the most canadian things he's ever talked about when i talk about the fucking frieza arc in the raccoons why don't we Jesus all right that was my cool uh pat what's going on i didn't do much you played the order motherfucker yeah why don't you talk about the order i talked about the order i played the order i went back to balder's gate two and all i have to say there is something i talked to lima about boy if you make a big rpg spend the money spend the time to make your quest blog not a list of objectives but to actually

describe the events that have occurred like it is a person writing in a journal make your journal a journal because i quit that game for like two months and i went back 36 hours in and if that game did not have a quest log that told me what happened at every single point in every single quest i would be fucked i would be unable to return i would not know who bodi was i would not know why there's vampires like i forgot too many details and you look like because look at skyrim it says go to the college and talk to blank that's the whole description yeah it's like why why am i doing that again uh oh i'm doing that because this guy has the spell i need to uncurse my friend here great okay now i remember liam and i the video went up last night life is

strange does that exact same thing and it's like adventure games is obviously a bit different reminder of what's going on but she writes everything that happens in her journal every decision that you've made so let's say you do take a break yeah and you go back you can look at everything you know that mgs one man i know chapter yeah i know that writing a quest log that has detailed descriptions of the quest at each stage cost money cost time cost writing time especially but it makes a big difference it means that it's the difference between when you go back to an rpg and you go i like it enough that i'm gonna restart it because i'm halfway through or oh i'll just pick this back up and and play it like i remember that's what happened yeah it's it's a big difference

and the only other thing i've done all week is play monster hunter i'm up to a hundred hours now here and they're sick and i'm it's really i get it's good i got a tetsu cover a high rank 15 minute break every 45 minutes no i am not stop telling me that nintendo that's actually where that like for monster hunter specific there's a there's a slash screen when you start the game this is hey good hunters take a rest every now and then that's cute but it's got little cats in the shape and it doesn't tell you when you go save the game like that's actually yeah that put that in there yeah absolutely yeah yeah i can link between worlds i want to be now shut up skyward sword is the worst dude because it's flies like hey you should take a break master hey your battery is dead master

hey master oh yeah that's all right that's that's that's dude i ran into the dumbest problem ever with the monster hunter thing and no one else is going to encounter this problem because it's exclusive to people that got review copies which is they put out the dlc the hey new players you get the the starter pack dlc and part of that is the ability to make the mario or luigi cat costumes yeah palikos but they suck compared to what my guys are wearing oh they suck ass so there's no use i'm never going to make an equip them and you can't do aesthetic transfers where you know like they are literally half the strength of the gear i have on my palico now so for a new player that's awesome and but for some likes for somebody that got all the way there before the game even

came like ah i feel stupid i feel dumb oh well they played you that's totally worth it that's the step that i think would like finalize dark souls fashion souls like element is if they let you transfer stats onto the aesthetic of your choice guild wars two does a lot of uh reckoning does it guild wars two does it and it's the smartest thing they did with their with their free to play stuff yeah it's like that game does not have free to play hooks like that integrate at all like it's that cash shop is separate but there is an item that's very rare but you can buy it all it does is you say man i really like how this armor set looks just transfer it onto the way better armor set that you're using now also um the option sorry yeah to uh turn off your helmet if you just want

to see your character's face but still have the stats of wearing a helmet yeah mm-hmm you know that was another option then pretty much every other hunting game series has split like stats and visuals yeah so you could just dress up like what the fuck ever and and that has nothing to do with your stats and it'll be like you equip like accessories or something to raise your how that's done um i'm too much problem because i don't think any of the armor sets are ever as varied or as cool as the monster hunter ones i think in like god eater uh and in freedom wars especially you can do some cool stuff with the character editing especially in freedom wars yeah but you're putting on shirts yeah clothing clothing man i'm super down with no i want i want my helmet to look like

a samurai armor with a mustache made out of a giant you want from clothing treats that samurai armor clothing treats me into thinking resonance of fate was good yeah that game is good it's too hard it's just too hard and too long it's good for the first 20 hours hey your eyes glaze over you can't even take it it's too much yeah but the combat's fun calm that's great hey you know the costume that looks like it's from monster hunter but it's not that one ninja guide in costume that riya hayabusa had that had like like like spiky dragon scale helmet and stuff that totally that looks like a monster hunter goes do we have that on the docket the thing news about triace yes yeah okay cool well we can let that sit yeah let's let's sit for a second all right what about you willie

what you do uh not much uh i admittedly no i i watched the new bill burr special that's a funny motherfucker what's called bill burr bill burr oh god it's on netflix just i'll watch this yeah because i like bill burr he's fucking great um that's a good podcast too funny if you like him uh i watch boyhood and absolutely fucking love that movie god damn is it good it took 12 years to make i eat so good did you have it did you have any moments where you're like i had that so much like well it was super rich because watching it with the girlfriend like uh i was obviously paying attention to the video game cues to see how the time was progressing yeah and say that 2006 yeah here's the week there you know or like you know he's playing on the original xbox order now he's playing

on the fucking um clamshell yeah after the week you can see that after the week you can see that he's done with video games but but um uh my girlfriend was noticing like oh my god uh the sister is wearing those ripped jeans with the line pattern on the i remember that year you know and and and she noticed um the harry potter stuff in particular that harry potter stuff is the only thing where i'm like it it's it's like the they knew harry potter was so hot blood prince that we have to get that in the movie because yeah who doesn't know every kid yeah it took 12 years to make it did and and it was fucking worth it because that could have been a problem if the game movie sucked i have i'm getting a problem with boyhood because i haven't seen it yet but but the the the

the proponents or the people that love this movie are making me never want to go see it sure because the statement hold on a minute the statement of oh my god it took 12 years to make that's amazing is making me dislike the movie i don't know anything about it right except for what you guys have told me it's literally just about a kid's childhood yeah i know and i know but and you mentioned earlier you know what i i mean i know what you mean i know what you mean and i think as well like you mentioned earlier um that uh red letter media this fucking hates it they fucking hate it and i i don't know why i need to find out it's it's it's literally the same reason but to another extreme because they're a movie review place yeah and so i imagine they get inundated

and they're just tired of it there's just the same thing i'm going through on a macro scale and i think that's hilarious i think people hating things that everyone likes is awesome but uh no it's just just everyone like oh man it's a single worst reason to hate anything it also but i didn't talk to woolly about it because he does that all the time but about what oh man this is popular i can't like it okay anyway i need to dye my hair because people with normal hair colors are lame they are you just wish you had hair and everyone's white no i don't wish i had hair i wish i had more consistent hair if i if my hair was thinning uniformly that'd be fine even if the same amount of hair was consistent but the fact that it's not thinning uniformly the fact that the

back part just decided to leave that's the problem hey man flaunt it if you got it just because i have it in copious amounts and decide to make it let's let's let's let's really focus for a second sure the thing the thing with boyhood is that like richard linkletter does not go this took me 12 years to make everyone shouted from the hills it's like everyone that actually made the movie doesn't try to make a big deal out of it they just go this is a really personal project and it was really cool and that's that's it's these people that are like sorry these people that are dying something stuck in my throat uh the it's these people and then people that also hate the movie even though they might not even seen it that go oh yeah 12 years

to make a herd above a little thin white like no that's all that's it the fact that it took 12 years to make is one of the worst bragging points i suppose it's a it's a great piece of trivia it's not a 12 years to make it's a movie that they took 12 years exactly to say it to say it took 12 years to make means nothing like that's the punchline of their review of it that it's like that's the thing you know they actually just also don't like the movie okay fun but that's the thing you say that at the beginning once and then you just watch the movie and then it's a good movie the reason why red letter hates it is because richard linkletter was not successful and now that he is then that they now hate him well they're they're they mean from what i gather they just to be cool

i really liked you back when you were doing days to confuse from what i could gather of their half in the bag was that they think the story is boring and the kids a terrible actor i thought the kid was a fantastic actor i thought the kid was being himself on camera oh you so you mean he wasn't acting yeah pretty much i think it was fine i think that's i haven't seen it i'm not even like defending their point of view but that just seems to be where they're coming from and you know what there's something interesting to be said there because of course there's the moments of like oh my god look how much he's aged as the time goes on but like yeah that's there but it's not the major point and what's more interesting what what i found more interesting was uh the adults

over time actually seeing people go from mid 20s to like cool guy into yeah i have a mini van yeah like oh no that's so much more interesting not the mini van or see it like young hot mom turn into just mom because your doctor mom no that's your story growing up into a young adult but then you see adults growing into shitty more adults i don't think they're shittier they're actually when they're younger the adults they make way shittier decisions well that's how life and to me that's way more interesting because you you see like the facelines you go you're now you're not a mom not a mom not a mom mom mom super mom also the hardcore soccer van it depends if she's wearing mom jeans that too that too um put on your mom jeans it's it's it's just that's an interest that's a more

interesting thing than the kids themselves even you know what yeah you're probably right i just i don't care about the story whatever i don't care about people growing up yeah i think people shouldn't grow up i think we should come out of a tube at 18 all right well anyway it was a pretty good movie and i liked it um and lastly um and if you come out of the tube early Zachary Quinto should slap you keep going right that's not a bad that's a good plan just to get you on the right track right away yeah and Quantic Dream just stole that yeah come on i saved that crazy thing that i said it's fine i saved it Liam's the one who says crazy things on the podcast they'll make things about pats if i kick Zachary Quinto i deserve a slap that's what i said are you

not way larger than Zachary Quinto it's hard to tell by a massive movie step yeah but he can do a Vulcan nerve pinch no he can't if he could have done that he wouldn't have to have a stupid fist fight with con at the end of into darkness but then he did it then he did the Vulcan nerve pinch i don't remember that because i was so mad well says Aurora says we need him a lot you idiot stop using your Vulcan rage fucking which he had Spock getting into a goddamn giant action movie fist fight on a taxi as the crux of your style i always i always give into darkness a pass because the Klingons look like predators now i didn't notice i was too busy staring into Benedict Cumberpatch's nostrils no benadryl his name is benadryl now sure oh fuck i went i lost it but

there's a picture of a truck with a company name yeah yeah it's two words just b and c and like isn't that that guy benadryl anyway and i fucking finished off people i'm done i'm done i'm out finished no you didn't i'm done no you didn't you have to wait till i uh go home and send you the link and the the link starts with page one is Takamura doing an ad for an energy drink um yeah that is that last fight i don't know it's it's it's all over the place everything but everything i got animation wise rising rising okay everything don't check series three done all i gotta say is instant as i as you expected instantly in my top five anime of all time yeah just my you know insult and now your hype for that sam of sam or a massive a fight everything i want to know

and secondly like oh my god the last two punches in that series i can't like oh can you put more speed lines oh but like but like every time they slow down a punch for dramatic effect like they speed it right back up at the right moment yeah yeah and in this case they keep it slow the whole time but it's fucking excruciating and and the the screen is shaking so hard during it um that's something special it's a fest of iron man yeah that's something special what sucks for me is that i hadn't seen that last episode yet and i got it spoiled for me through animated gif fuck and i there was no context welcome to the ego experience no the only the only thing i was looking out for was like the stop posting moment and then i saw it and it was a great and you're

like wait a second there's way more to go yeah yeah there's a lot more to this thing um but you know there's just those moments i told you last time about like the sendo sliding on the ground smash like the the second one version of that was uh fucking takamura losing it and like going into unconscious mode yeah and then like going to eat fucking brian hawk like he's i'm gonna eat you now and then like ding ding ding no no no and also the moment where david eagle goes to talk to brian hawk and he's the only what's up when you go to takamura and he's just like koma toes he's screaming and knocking over booze and just get out of my house demon eagle just all the shit i love and it and it doesn't hurt that like you fucking go into that last intro with the demon demsy roll

glowing shadow eye into the darkness you know as much as as the logo comes out as much as i appreciated that i think that the ending of rising like the the the ending uh the credit sequence is the best thing i've ever seen in anime just the song combined with the running it's a great like then you get the the climax of the song it's like figure out who every single person on the screen is right now yeah like um that's the guy from the first ebos first pro match and that's his girlfriend and then that's brian hawks in the back of this anime yeah and like look at those scumbags looking all happy now and we hadn't talked about last time but uh ioki's look away look away look away god damn that's the best fucking thing that no one knows what it is and it's

like the takamura tries it it's like what the fuck yeah no that ifo's ifo's just uh fucking perfect um i'm curious about how the dub is just just like i heard it's okay but the only thing i could find was a youtube version of it that had the audio sped up so they all sound like chipmunks so i don't know what it's i have it because i have the entire first series just the fighting on dvd but i i lent it to rocky so yes i'm gonna watch uh but uh it's all right it's it's renamed fighting spirit yeah yeah that i know about yeah what are you gonna call it i mean at the end of the day it's just a name fighting the first step it's weird it doesn't you know it doesn't quite at the end of the day it carries just the name you know like the voice acting is fine it's probably

not great though that on that note that that um uh super cut of uh why the kill the kill dub is the greatest thing oh yeah yeah it makes me want to watch it i'm thinking about it like thinking about it i don't know it's pulling me like specifically um um uh god wow i'm an idiot uh her best friend macko macko fucking nails it in that that first clip maddie medicine she's trying to catch the bus like i'm like yeah okay i'm almost dead what is the what is the osaka guy's name oh my god that is the best dub i've heard in years just like dorky fucking gangster white boy the yeah the osaka doing with the teeth yeah the fucking english dub for him is the best thing i've ever acted it's the best dub i've ever seen it's better than the original like like the rest of the cast

in the english dub is you can whatever osaka's a merchant town you see this video just reasons why you need to watch the kill the kill dub i think okay i think that's like that fucking carry he's the last half of that and the other thing the end and typical to this video is like oh you know who's dub i hate in this ryuko just like just like the actual yeah show yeah ryuko is the least interesting character in this show just like uh gurren logon um common as voice acting is like because it's never going to be what you want of course everyone else in the the the gurren logon dubber is fine and in fact they should have for the gurren logon bloom being learon is great amazing for the gurren logon dub what they should have done is just dub everybody but coming out

and just leave it just leave it alone if i google this thing and i just comes up on the to be out to his friend's reddit as the first result that's awesome that's awesome good job the loop is consumed i mean like i'm trapped while nothing's ever gonna be golden boy but like that dude golden boy close it's be fair golden boy is an anomaly it was during a time where all dubs are bad it just worked better as english but it's not just it's not just good it's better than the original well it's better than the original it's also better than the original chromarty is better as a dub you find so yeah i agree i'd agree but again these are very specific reasons specific animes there is no hey play goddess ps4 yeah yeah he's fighting with hdmi

there's no fighting with that he can't figure out his switcher he's asking me right now how the hdmi splitter works but i can't wait for me we should i want i want to commend excel side as well for it's dub because it did a fucking good job getting that main girl um but anyway uh yeah some news news the world not yet oh what's up yet first we got to talk to someone special oh we're doing that right now yeah okay we should do that let's do that hey everyone uh so i just want to welcome to the program once again because i messed up the recording initially uh guys see uh of silent hill too fame welcome to the hello everyone uh thank you very much hello pat uh for going on the show yeah thanks for having me uh again i was doing this before but i'll apologize again that we missed

your message and in fact the the way i found out about this was somebody contacted me saying hey did you know the kai see he was trying to contact you i said no you said no and then you said i think i have to throw i think i have to throw up i think i've screwed up oh you guys are going to hold you and very very thankful for you being here oh no you guys are famous i'm sure you know i had to get through six layers of uh you know security to get to you it's a good thing i had that all area pass or they never would let me talk to you for you to say because me and pat have been saying your name like the last couple of weeks i'm a doing maybe ten times a day maybe ten times a day when we were recording our silent hill to lp and uh like all the all the various you know sort of like

stories about how you you landed that job and you know what you're doing now so like like pat said like it's really awesome like we think you're famous yeah right so yeah well that's perfect we got a great thing going here so i gotta you know i you know how i you know how i know you're famous how because my my my youngest daughter knows you guys really she watches your videos that's the best that is the best awesome that's cool that's dad recognition if you're a father you understand you know and when you turn to your kids and you say things and they're like yeah whatever dad and then one day you say something and they're like oh their eyes change i know those guys so i'm very happy to be with you yeah thank you for here uh let's get into it i have one big

question and it's uh uh god you've basically popped up like hugely in the past couple of weeks because you went and did the uh live stream with fungo uh over for uh the silent hill too let's play um and i was not aware of this up until recently but is it like in fact the case that you have not played the game until just now that's correct really you you went this this whole time without without what is that like now to come back to this thing yeah most like me included think is one of the best classics of the medium that you were clearly a huge part of this late like this this foreign of the future well you want the short answer or the long answer whichever whichever you prefer yeah okay playing it for the first time you know i've seen the cut

scenes put together fun uh fun go put together a movie version of it so i've seen that uh but i had never played the game and obviously uh the game is really different than i imagined and the my impressions from having played it are uh are many but let me first say i was amazed at how we just pretty much avoided the monsters and uh creatures that we encountered and and in fact my first instinct was well i have to dispatch with this thing but but uh we went around them in the for the most part and struck me i jeez this game isn't violent at all actually the violence is in my head it's not in the game and that that was uh a real kind of a veil that i walked through when i realized oh these horror suspense games

are all in your head that that's really neat i mean they create this environment but each one of us is seeing it in our own way like for example that scene with uh toward the end where james is in this great room with two of these pyramid heads right right spears and how you choose to address that or how you choose to interpret what's taking place there each of us has our own uh darkness or fear or concern i saw someone write in a comment about his the gameplay because as you know i was watching i was like a i was like a uh what do you call that second seat on one of those fighter jets in the back seat he he was he was flying and i'm just watching but uh i kind of started getting the feeling like oh uh if i had my hands on the

controls i'd be doing this a little differently and uh then someone wrote in and said you know that you can just run around the perimeter of the room until they kill themselves they will eventually uh kill themselves yeah you don't even have to shoot at them and i thought i thought wow there's so many different ways to approach this um and they're coming from the player not from the game so when you've got a game i think that that offers so much uh in terms of the detail in each room and the things that you can explore or not explore or the the monsters that you can engage or just run around then uh really becomes the player's experience for it and that's why it perhaps it's lasted so long and it continues to have you know famous guys like you want to talk to

guys like me i think that is one this is this is a very weird surreal experience for me because guy obviously when i'm hearing you speak i'm basically hearing james talk to me and we had just played the game and we just finished it off and having your that particular explicit perspective is almost like i don't want to see predestined or something but that echoes like a core theme of that work of the decision or not to engage in violence and especially considering the time like you guys all remember resident evil like resident evil was overtly violent it was the night of the living dead it was shoot things to bits there's no other solution but to fight and yes yes and that's what that's exactly what i mean is that yeah you don't have to do that

if you don't want to but if you want to you can get it out yeah one also was similarly like that like combat was the be all and all solution and two because of its like themes about like whether or not you should commit violence in the first place like yeah all the boss fights or near like nearly all the boss fights can be defeated with no action whatsoever except for the ones that are explicitly violent towards other characters wow like against eddie for like eddie and uh and the abstract daddy are explicit forces of violence towards either the player or a different character and they have to be dealt with violence but all of james's stuff is should he even and to have the character slash actor mimic that in terms of the game i'm just blowing my

mind here it's really like though pat that doesn't that does sort of mirrors the choices that they made with the later series as well to like make combat something that yeah not that adept at in three what they did is that if you engaged in enough combat you would get an ending that would say that you're a monster basically okay and in shattered memories you really just you can consider memories there's no combat that's a lot yeah there you go yeah something me and pat have have talked about a lot during any playthrough we've done a silent hell is that like and this is the first time i saw a like silent hell 2 uh from start to finish i had played like maybe two hours of it when i came out and i saw maybe the middle two hours like years after that

but something we've talked about how some silent hell games just do away with that so much that there's you play as a military army guy in one of them and he has combination attacks with knives and guns and there's 50 weapons in the game yeah and he has all these maneuverability and like silent hell 2 and and even more so shattered memories when there's you can't even attack an enemy you can only avoid them and those just dispel like a combat altogether and it was like you're what you're saying how silent hell in general is is more psychological it's more about what the player thinks and how they need to how they want to approach something rather than how maybe some of the other silent hell games force you to do things in a certain way like yeah silent hell

homecoming learn something you learn about yourself uh when you go through that another uh interesting part was for for many people i've heard maybe you guys can verify this maybe that the scariest part of the game is when you first see pyramid head through those bars and actually you you don't even fight yeah it's just standing there and so okay there's my observation of wow this is nothing like i imagined it in that way in that sense and and and yet uh fungo is just you know ballings through town we're booking and i actually was kind of uh almost unable to keep up with a lot of stuff that was going by because we had agreed to do a kind of a speed play and his initial estimate was that it would take two hours and i'm afraid that's about right in in one sense

that um he felt under pressure to you get the time done because he was maybe concerned about my time availability because i it was sunday morning for me and i you know i've got children and my wife so i i said okay look i'm going to go do this i went to the office and then uh dav came by and we were having a great time but i did have something to do in the afternoon and i had told him that so i think he felt like oh i've got to get this done because guys got stuff to do and that made it uh seem like he skipped over some things or maybe wasn't uh able to let me explore things that people and so there was a little frustrating in that sense but not at the at the moment i understood like one got one eye on the clock while we're playing

this uh and we did great i really enjoyed it i i mean to make the short story is it's less uh beat and kill monsters than i thought and it certainly bears uh it it deserves more time so i probably your i've heard that you did the live play and of course i sent you the well wishes for that yeah we did yes your how long did you guys take uh we took as we took as long as we needed it the total episode count comes in at what 17 17 18 18 and those are roughly half hour bits each and so it's about nine and a half hours and we did the extra scenario that james isn't featured in the one where you play as uh mary yeah uh yeah no we we like there are long bits of that playthrough in which i am standing around talking that's that's great about

various development things or or what have you and the the moment that you particularly latched onto that uh you asked if a lot of people find this to be the scariest part of the game is pyramid head standing through the bars uh i think you're right about that because that is a moment in which uh it's not a cutscene it's not you know it's just it's just there and it's not overtly threatening because he's far away he cannot actually reach you it is just this feeling of what what it dread what is that what is that what is that that's i asked what i thought and and that's really interesting that you you're totally powerless where you just but but again you're not being attacked yeah it's it's a pregnant moment it's it's the feeling that a lot of the earlier games

had dead on in which the the the the most poignant moments were these scenes in which you would walk into a room and you could not process the events that were occurring you would spend 10 seconds 15 seconds going i can't quite wrap my head around this and then they lost that as time went on as eventually pyramid head turns into a mask um like you mentioned how how like interested you were that violence was not always the solution and how shooting and killing was not always the goal but later on they turn uh pyramid head into a literal generic boogie man to the point of calling do you mean the the post team silent group yeah in which they literally call him boogie man well you know i mean on the one hand it's it's sad it's like well it is what it is on the

other hand they're they're a business and and they probably were hurting for money as the shift towards casual games and free games was taking place and consoles were dying and they're still shrinking i mean uh not not quite but you do have something there and that that team silent mostly seemed to get kicked out in the mobile divisions after four the most interesting thing you ever told me pat about silan ill too was the fact that pyramid head and a lot of the and every enemy that appears in silan ill is for james is specific to james because of james who he is as a person yeah and uh then thinking about how they use him in later sequels for other people just because he's a recognizable scary thing and he's popular it just doesn't really make sense at

all no because the writing at the time was specific to james well you know as i've said before pyramid head when i first conjured him and met him was uh taciturn and reticent and somewhat secretive but once he got a taste of fame there was no putting him back in the box and he wouldn't even listen to me i think guy doesn't even take my calls now i have to talk through his agent and there's something that you mentioned a couple times is that how the silan ill too is different than what you thought uh what what what did you originally like especially when you're actually recording the voice for james was there an idea in your head about what the game like was looking like because nowadays voice acting is very different where they try to to show the

voice actors everything they try to see them concept art images they give them as much background on in some cases they're live being mo capped into scenes sometimes the actors simultaneously themselves mo motion capture uh the character but back then like you know two thousand nineteen nine nine two thousand one and all that i think you know you didn't get that much detail a voice actor would just be brought into the booth do their lines and they don't get much out of the experience so like when you when you were recording the voice what was the thought of what the game was looking like in your head nothing i i'll tell you that you know looking at it and listening to what you felt is just said and thinking back on it imagine there's a time

before sales okay so the ships are setting out onto the water and there's all these people rowing and then one day a piece of cloth they're traveling with happens to get stuck up on the this thing in front and suddenly it catches the wind and it moves the boat it's like a few people on the back of the ship look around like hey what happened the ship ship lurched and they look forward and the someone gets this great idea let's put sails on this thing it'll make it so they develop the knowledge of sailing like let the wind carry it well at some point and maybe it was people coming to it with a fresh perspective started thinking let's let the actors have some input on this let's get them like create part of the process so that and so we'll let them see more

of what they're doing or we'll let the same person who does the voice do the mocap and that way we'll get a much uh more visceral and real uh performance right will engage the the players more so you know it can be said that going to hollywood was oh kind of appealing to a mass market or taking games that maybe didn't deserve that big budget because they put a big name on it it now is a big budget but the story's not that good instead of that bringing in really talented actors like they're doing now with the games these people know what to expect or know what uh to demand they're highly trained and professional and they've got huge uh pride in their work they take pride in their work they're basically celebrities now it's a natural evolution and and it's funny i'll tell you

the reason that i did the job was that i had been studying virtual reality uh you may know that i incubate and uh back venture businesses i did not know that and that's what i was doing at the time i had had a big publishing company that i had just sold and i was incubating and venturing new businesses and one of the areas that i was interested in because i saw it as an an unstoppable path that we're on was virtual reality so i was aware that they were these role play type games and playstation 2 had come out and now was it becoming a mass market uh let's say experience and i thought oh i need to learn more about this how this works and and try and see if there's a way to play in this game so when my daughter asked to go to the interview i

thought oh there's a great opportunity for me to see this on the inside how this actually goes down um i was uh pretty disappointed frankly i helped how primitive and how not you know team silence work they didn't come we didn't sit down and have some beers and talk about it and or and really get into all of their their deep thoughts on it they they they did their own thing they're quite secretive and and it's it's unfortunate that the mentality in those days maybe it's different now was that the talent are uh maybe a necessary aspect but not an integral aspect of the production process where whereas you get you throw me in a room and i'm sorry that's not going to happen and i think especially with monica there uh she felt the same way i did she um i don't i can't

speak for her but i do know that as we started going we had more to say about how things were going to be done than they were may perhaps comfortable with and and i don't mean that team silent guys because there there were some other people involved in the scheduling who thought that they were somehow maybe creative people but they uh i thought there was a lot more that could be done and some people see it in the performances and obviously we're still talking about this game is almost 15 years later and uh so so something clicked something worked i know that monica and and myself and and probably davis well and jackie and donna we all put a lot more into it than they might have expected um in monica's in my case both of us had trained as actors

at college and university and acted on stages before and then we had stopped we were doing something else so suddenly to get an acting gig after many years was a rush and to get out there and she was very good as you know and i i wanted to show off too so we were showing off for each other and doing our best it went like way beyond what was expected or what was asked that uh because we were just so into it and it was a great part they were great parts that is really interesting especially good like that you're so are you are you describing basically that when you would come into the studio it was uh a very standard like here's the script read it read it kind of scenario uh initially at least we you know we did most of the work on the mocap

okay you guys were mocaps there were two stages we went to uh one was the the laser cap uh i forget the name for it now but they put ping pong balls on the and the other was mag uh where you were in a room with magnetic sensors it was in a big harness of wires with wires going to all the key points on your body and so if you've gotten close contact with another player everyone's at a different frequency so that you can separate whose arm is where and so forth and and that that was a very expensive studio so we didn't go there as that often the reason i bring it up is because even till this day Silent Hill 2 and i believe three but i'm not sure i know Silent Hill 2 in particular is nearly unique for like you guys

were cast correctly and then they just you are the character like anyone who's seen a picture of you knows that you are James like James is you uh i asked i asked sato uh years later or not no that's not actually years later i'm sorry i asked sato just as we were rapping getting getting near the rap because that's when i finally heard that there had been about 80 or 90 guys had come to audition for james i said well when i got the part it was like oh yeah yeah yeah that's me i'm the man and and then but you know you get involved in something in that little rush of hubris wears off and you're yeah you realize wow this is serious and these these other people are really professional i think donna was a little miffed at me when i first started out because i i didn't

uh memorize my lines for the shoot that day i thought well we're gonna do the lines in the studio later but on the mocap we we did the lines and so that's why going to the going to the stage was where we did the performance and that's where we because the two actors were uh together it it's kind of took off and we started accelerating our our bond with these characters but back to the audition and and your comment sato said because you were like the character the way we imagined him you you just happened to line up with their internal exactly you were the you're you're you're very much like the exactly the way we imagined him and so i thought that was cool and that that allowed that kind of gave me license to to take it the way i wanted to go with it and i think

it's it was great this in particular for uh monica who plays mary and maria my god what a amazing performance you know i did a like a comedy rendition of her part have you seen that no i have no which which part specific go on go on my youtube channel and you'll see there's it was two years ago holiday video that i did for fans and and at the end of it as a kind of easter egg we switched parts so i took i took k i take maria's part and play it because i had always felt like wow james is somewhat wooden and disassociated from his surface feelings and just projecting a kind of uh very now you get it you know the way james is not just the other the other character and and sato explained it to me said look james

doesn't really give much emotion or express very much that james is defined by the characters around him they they have the rich emotions and i'm like well damn can't you give me some better lines i mean i need a little more uh to get excited about no no that comes from the other characters no no god you gotta be weird you gotta be i wanted to be but so i couldn't and and so then later i in the holiday video i thought i was always jealous of their great lines and i was so rich like those lines that she has in the jail cell with james playing yeah right so i did that part it's pretty funny you might like i will i'm gonna have to check that out because that is the kind of goofy alternate universe outtake thing that i adore god and and dav shawfully comes in and he

plays uh james and he did a great job okay oh wow dav dav played eddie i got i gotta i gotta take a look at this guy i gotta ask you do you have any new projects is there anything you want to plug on the show well thank you for asking i i normally don't but this time i do i figure i figure i saw something somewhere and like well hey the timing lines up we got the interview guest right well what do you do you say hey you want to plug your movie you want to plug your thing so what do you got man i've got uh a a role i'm going to be a main character in a in a in a new game that's coming out called for forgotten memories by cycles interactive oh wow that's really that's really have you heard about it uh yeah i've actually contacted the developers of that game because

that game's been in development for like a little while now and we do every uh every october we do a series called uh it's called the uh scariness like marathon uh with matt and pat and um uh the thing about that is that we play 31 games and we usually put in a silent hill in a resident evil and it's special attention special attention but forgotten memories when we were playing silent hill too just recently i talked to pat saying wow this game looks really good uh forgotten memories and it looks very silent hillish like the imagery and you play as this really interesting female character and i was like well when's that game coming out i think it's been two years now that you've tried to contact the guys yeah and and just recently they said i are your

emails slipped through the cracks sorry but yeah hopefully it's coming out like very very soon on ios uh on the apple store and and it's just really cool that you're also in that the confluence of events here is really it's exciting i i think when i when i first heard from them and they were fans of silent hill and silent hill two in particular they grew up with it and when now they own a game company so they uh they've got a team it's an independent but these guys are industry vets they all worked at other game companies before they they got together i think the first one is going to come out in april so it's pretty soon now okay so you if you go online you'll be able to find someone doing a a play playthrough of it like a a commentator someone like yourselves

who reviews new games so they've got some beta versions out there people are trying when i first saw it um honestly my impression was oh my gosh this is silent hill two they but the mannequins don't move that's an endorsement right that is an endorsement and it's got flashlights and you're running around in the dark and the walls are dirty and wait a minute there's a toilet that's are you kidding me and so i'm like well they're asking me to do this and it's so much like silent hill and of course so am i that i thought hmm uh i better ask you know silent hill two and silent hill fans in general are are pretty valuable they're they're very powerful in their opinions and if they you could say that yeah yeah i mean they they forced konami to put the original actors

back in the hd this is a fans unfortunately they couldn't make them fix it yeah so uh so i thought i better check with the fan with my hardcore fans because i'm not easy to find it's that i don't do games but i have a very hardcore dedicated i call them the real fans of silent hill and so i thought i better check with them before i accept this gig before they go crazy about you yeah i mean they'll be all they'll turn on me right okay i'll just run this by them i put the trailer up and then i i asked them what do you think it would be disrespectful to the to the original program to do something that's like this and some people didn't even understand why i was asking well you know you're a voice actor what it's that's what you do just do it and and other

people like no no no no it's uh it's it looks pretty good and you you need to we want to hear you again yeah i can imagine the idea of somebody obsessed so that's that's coming and the first one that's you'll see in april is has it has got the lead actress in it so what they've kind of done is put together two and three if you will and and there's a female protagonist and uh and my characters the main male part and they're their partners they're they're detectives and they're a team she's younger and very vital and aggressive and he's a little older and somewhat protective and uh a little more traditional if you will in their approach to this problem they're facing that's why she's gone ahead okay this is to this asylum looking for a missing child and uh

the the character i play is going to come in in the second game he may have some cameo in the first part he's going to come in in the second game to go looking for her so it it's almost as if laura had grown up we did the leave ending laura had grown up she's now a police detective and i'm concerned about her but at the same time she's very independent and so the i think according to what these guys have worked out and and and women they've got women involved because it's it's a very uh male female roles gender uh stereotypes psychology where people will uh question a lot of things about themselves and hopefully uh find new things out about themselves as they play through this these the series of games so i'm excited about it and uh

unlike my first experience so many years ago that the the programmers and director and creative guys are very excited to have input and very open and uh willing to take input from me so i thought wow what a difference a decade makes now now the industry welcomes the involvement of the talent because they know it's going to fill those sales and and also they were fans of you to begin with because they they they grew up plain silent hill too which is awesome so i was already excited about this yeah and now getting the the the the the link here has okay yes cemented is that spiritual successor the an act word you'd say i'm sorry would you say it's a spiritual successor to silent hill too very much and not only that you know like this the first game really was cathartic for me it helped

me understand and get through and and get out of me uh a lot of pain that i felt from my difficult first marriage now i have three daughters three daughters and a wife actually i have an ex-wife too but i've got three daughters and a wife they're all strong uh women because they're all connected to me and there's no doubt that i have my kind of fixed patriarchal man uh man's mentality as i look at them i know that i raised them i held them as babies and now they need to be independent free and i'm struggling to be a father who empowers them who doesn't patronize them and they're and yet at the same time they're using feminine charms and wiles and guile to manipulate me that's just the way the world works right and and and this game is all about that it's about that

tension and and people uh and women and women trying to i'm not trying women expressing themselves and men growing and and i tell you what if it does if this game does for me what the first one did uh i'll be a much better father and husband after it's over so yeah i'm kind of excited i thought well what a strange thing that uh after all these years and and it's all connected to that first game i'll be playing another role that's perfectly fits with my mind my mindset where it is right now uh so that's forgotten memories right let's yeah forgotten memories i'm also working on another game uh because i have a company that does software uh educational software that we've met we've been doing that for a long time and it's universities and companies

multinational companies buy it for training uh and teaching their students and their employees but it was it's kind of like work right you have to do it for the grade or you have to do it for your annual review yeah but i've i've always dreamed that maybe we could make the learning process like play and yeah you're talking about uh gamification exactly gamification so you know me i started researching all of the academic articles on it written by phd researchers at various universities instead of playing some games so now i actually understand the mechanics of dopamine production in the brain and how games become addictive by uncertainty which is fascinating because it's antithetical with education where hey this is right and those are wrong i reward you

for the right answer and i give you a bad grade for the wrong answer yeah what what you're describing is that the skinner box works better if there's a chance that a failure uh yes but it's well i mean i haven't got too much time i've got to get my daughter off to school yeah no that's okay well but it's a great subject in any case we're working on it really hard and we and i got so far down in the the rabbit hole yeah all this know-how and then like screw that it's we started writing the story of the game and it's uh i've i've been posting it on my uh facebook page in like increments just to see how people would react to it right and so far people kind of like it so i think oh okay good they've been throwing out let me let me see if i can find it they've been throwing out

examples of games that it reminds them of okay from the they're from the past so i thought oh well that's uh we're going the right direction anyway all right that that's that's awesome it's there's a we got you at the right time to hear about some ongoing projects that's that's really cool thank you and i feel like i'm having a kind of burst right now of well it seems like a activity yeah yeah it's wonderful like you said uh suddenly i'm uh in the news uh on these various sites people have sent me a couple of links of people who've who've picked up this story and i i'm very grateful for that i i need all the publicity i can get well we were glad to give you just a little bit more and we're thank you so much fellas you guys are really uh legends in

your own time i like that i like that that's that's a good we need more guests to call us legends on this show uh guy thank you so much for coming on um incredibly appreciate yeah uh it is where can people find you get in touch says follow your projects things like that you mentioned your youtube channel what's uh what's your address for that uh the name is gc navigator gc navigator all one word okay uh the gc and the n are capitalized i don't know if that matters oh it doesn't yeah that's because youtube has a good search engine unlike apples so and even if you spell it correctly you cannot find the app even sometimes you put in the exact right word and still they're showing you other apps in the search right how does that happen anyway can we find you on the twitter

no i don't uh do that one but i do i've got a facebook page for me that i'll be using and i have been using more for the my work as a voice actor and a regular actor and then i've got the youtube channel so if you can find me on facebook at guy see he and like my page and you then you'll follow whatever i'm up to i'll be posting more about this new game coming including images and the guys have told me they're going to redo the main character's visual to look more like me yeah i'm stoked there you go i'm stoked so thanks for asking about that and uh i wish you guys all the best of luck i will definitely plug you in any any chance i get we appreciate that that's cool thanks a lot man very good luck to you in all your endeavors it's been great having you on the

show yeah pats pats been holding it in but like he's having some fanboy trauma i'm at it's a little bit i don't get like this is one of his favorite games of all time and he's been pretty professional about this i've been i've been holding it back but yeah pats a really huge fan so this has been an awesome experience thank you so much man my pleasure thanks for having me guys so uh matt pat uh liam and woolly thank you very much like like man pat easy to because you've been saying it for the last couple of days contact has been very good memory mr sunderland all right fellas have a great uh afternoon all you care thanks so much bye bye bye bye that one pretty good i i was afraid we were gonna screw it up yeah i was gonna screw up i was yeah such a soothing voice that i

like i wish i had a cup of hot cocoa god guys see he reminds me of my dad's best friend oh yeah no like like there's definitely like some nice ASMR tones to the deepness of his voice there it's pretty good pretty it's so smooth it's like it's like a smooth poor of his voice he's listening right now and he's like yeah he's like mouthing out words to himself like really oh yeah i don't know it comes out of his mouth we've got him right at the perfect time to just talk about the new projects the phrase i like that i made up but i like it the confluence of events sure just all all roads lead here no like when you have a flu that's confluenza confluenza oh that's a good one that's when fate makes you sick yeah no that's when you shake a greasy guy's hand at a convention

no yeah that's the word before mag flu all i didn't get i got it before which is weird yeah no that's that's the smart thing yeah get sick before you go to the con then you're the problem you're not the antibodies you can't get more sick that's you can totally get more sick it's not awesome just start licking the doorknobs your lady pups is nice and ready with the purel so yeah start licking the doorknobs and mashing stuff onto the doorknobs use your imagination no all right uh what that now let's get it to some news okay did somebody get in trouble for mashing things in doorknobs uh no i think we can we can start out with uh the what i thought was most interesting the castled game footage of dead son yeah weeks and we get to see okay i want to

i want to give a big fucking thumbs up shout out to the sorcery that is mama we're buying holy shit how that guy's a champ every time how does he do he did this exact same thing for uh sequels to eternal darkness they never he just lags digs and digs and digs until it happens he goes under the fucking stone in the earth so he roots through developer's garbage yeah probably it's been known for a while now that legacy of kane uh noz goth was actually just a multiplayer mode extracted from dead son a big full player experience single player experience kind of uh because basically noz goth was like totally retooled when they shipped it out to the new guys it was yeah because i'm saying noz goth wasn't the exact no it originally was the multiplayer mode of this game

and then the single player got canceled and then they sent it to new people and then they redid it uh but nobody ever really got like a good grasp of what dead son was supposed to be and boy now there's a mouthful out there boy there's a mouthful and 32 minutes of footage that you can check out and how it's how where did this build come from lose lose hand and this shows off a ton of shit too boy does it go it walks you through a lot there was there they were gonna bring back the spectral world from soul reaver one they had flight they like the character design like you're that black guy with a white face pain it will your uh in a vampire body yeah the most interesting thing to me i found it was just that that setting the setup of like the character well the setting

is is like blood omen happened and kane fucked the world up and then soul reaver happened super super far in the future where everything is just boned right yeah and then we went on a bunch of games and there was time travel involved and then the problem not solved and so instead humanity slowly went working its way instead of soul reaver one where everything is a destroyed hellscape now we have just the the advance of what blood omen was supposed to be and okay now it's vampires and humans in their cities and stuff like that and i really really enjoy because they had this idea before uh in the story this this is an event that happened in the past of soul reaver okay vampires what do we do let's pollute the crap out of the planet to block the sun let's smoke

stuff the shit out of the earth really good at matrix so that sunlight never hits the floor and vampires can just walk around humans are the ai and they're the fucking humans great idea yeah and and and and as somebody who is familiar with this this is a perfect place to set the game after defiance and as a result people are worshiping the sun that they can't see awesome yeah um also dead sun dead sun also the fact that uh vampire murders you and your family and eats your souls but your soul is fucking special and you're like no i'm taking over the body of this vampire that consumed me and i forced him out of his own body that's pretty fucking bad that's really interesting yeah and then that vampire is talking to you like all right well that's pretty right

here's what's going on i guess you know what you could have that one this is you give me yeah it was a pretty interesting setup there um i think the combat reminded me a lot of nozgoth actually and um was a bit bland unfinished work unfinished work you say yeah you know that's it but i could the way the flying was happening and the way the wall climbing and running the foundation all looks like i'm like yeah that's that and that's what that multiplayer could have been something yeah definitely it also sucks that it was it was being made by climax as well which is like they mean shattered memories and they're making uh assassin's creed china and it's like this is a developer that's like pretty talented it's like they haven't actually

gotten like their own big title yet yeah like even like for god were they the people who made sign on hill zero first or were they the people that came on after it shit itself to fix it sign on hill zero sign the origins yeah or back when i was sign on hill zero they're like they're the name on the box when it shipped so yeah because because the development on that game shit the bed super super hard early and then something changed and they completely redid the whole game i think they're and then or origins came out okay but i i'm mixed on them because they also fucking made um something that i don't like uh but they made shattered memories they made shattered memories and they're gonna be working on china but there's a 2d thing they made uh what

was it 2d there's a 2d they did rocket rocket night they made the rocket that would make the shitty fucking 360 why does everyone go to climax to resurrect their ip i don't know but that doesn't and that's what doesn't give me faith in their 2d stuff or at least 2d plain stuff sure but you're also you're also saying hey english company makes something as good as this classic 16 bit platformer that only konami could make and you get 12 and you get four times the budget i think they probably got less it's impossible looking at rocket never talk turtles in time fucking turned out oh that's that's a sour one now that now spiritually put that rocket rocket night is way better than the turtles in time remake it barely man you know you know we and we fight every day as to a what rocket

night game is which and v which is better but we are in 100 agreement that that new rocket night that's a bummer that game get what polled no no you can get it that game is a sinking feeling that is a feel bad and it's and it's especially just confusing when you're like the thing that you needed to just copy was there and they made it go back to this three times just go back to this genesis game and see the speed that the character moves how high they jump that's how long you have to charge it grab the controller and and if you even if you don't want to figure that stuff out just just map it just map it over you know just steal the values out of the engine just do whatever you see that that's why that's why i know but that's why climax leaves me feeling kind of funny

you know shattered memories yeah fucking well here's the deal shattered memories is a good game on its own right that is a silent hill game is exactly the same thing as what happened with rocket okay because shattered memories is nothing like silent hill they did a trivia game or something for the video they did that smart as with what's his face his voice like famous british actor that was actually pretty solid but like yeah they've definitely had their share of hits and misses so you know we who knows but i mean this at least the legacy of kane dead son was looking like it could have been a thing could have been a thing i would rather this game come out and be mediocre than get a god damn free to play a fucking multiplayer game so would i and i don't care how

many times the god damn pr manager tells me to calm down when i'm yelling at him i'm sorry guy i don't i know it's your job to take my shit no one cares about nosga but like based on what i've read from hundreds and hundreds of thief fans i don't agree with your statement there what i'd rather the game come out and be mediocre i'm just saying for me okay sure because then they could make a sequel to it but nosgoth is nothing but nosgoth is not a good game not no well okay it's a good game and even mama robotnik said the plot was good like nobody like what are you gonna fight pat does this this does now here's my question is does the knowledge and footage of this dead son's leak twist the knife or no i already knew this game existed i always knew what it was about

some more information but seeing the footage is a curiosity okay um but the knife was like as soon as i saw the the mama robotnik's chart like two years ago which is here's all the legacy of cane games that have been in development with the big canceled sign on all the ones that have been canceled which is like 40 percent of all legacy of cane games that series had trouble like that was as hard as the knife can ever be fucking twisted okay because there's certain things a certain series that like i and my gut can't handle seeing the concept art or information when it gets leaked and you know the the the strider game before we knew about the new strider that uh that news that that what well there's the new strider that was being worked on but

before that there was the concept art that was uh made by um uh so grin grin yeah grin and i was like wait you were considering bringing strider so really you know what you're saying is that look good the last week if it had been you instead of me that got sent new chrono resurrection footage that that would have just been the worst day ever i can't somebody sent me i can't on i had never seen it before what are you talking about it was it was chrono waking up and walking around and then going to the bridge and having a punch of random battles wait yeah in chrono resurrection you have this somebody i don't even wear where i know he lost it already it's gone now i saw it and then threw up everywhere it's it's swirling around and

believe you verse now everyone's like where that was the fan project right yeah the most amazing fan project that that was the best idea that was the fan project that taught us all to shut up just shut up yeah stop it and that was like 10 years ago yeah and we keep saying shut up and more and more people are announcing things people are asking like sega for permission on stuff no just shut up just shut up and do it shut up speaking of akira tori amma they're fucking making budo 10 again yeah you mean budo 10 right budo 10 is that a real word because i hate that word i don't know what's up with that word but whatever i hear it's i'm i it makes me angry it's not budo 10 it's extreme budo 10 ultimate budo 10 my arc system works i'm sure it'll be well balanced with

100 character cats i bet you it's like genchi candidate that it's an amalgamated word yeah you know like five or six words put together to mean super crazy tournament something about the word budo 10 i don't know what it is but it sets me is it as bad as eighth grade bangkai or whatever eighth gate bangkai yeah that is they're not okay and here's the rub they're bringing back budo 10 they're throwing in a hundred plus characters into this shit it's hyperactive it's crazy it's all over the top and it's fucking arksis what that's what i just said yeah but the bit where they lose me is the hundred character cast no matter who's making it like that there's a lot of dragonball demands that amount oh no i know but like i don't know what you're saying but you do

you know how budo 10 plays you have the punch kick punch punch button sure got the fireball button you've got the dash and then you've got the fucking like uh whatever else so what you're saying this doesn't ultimately matter let's know arksis can keep up their streak of like anime fighting games i was gonna say let's hope it gets localized you know yeah well that's not an ous yes what's it on three yes that's uh fuck well why i why does ben dynamco localize zeno verse but not something no i think it will get localized to be clear but they haven't but they haven't there's what do you mean they haven't there was a recent dragon ball game in the 3ds like a year or two ago and they didn't localize that but i think it played weird i think i think all the 3ds dragon balls the games

have been localized i think there's two of them already yeah but none of them have been localized that's what i mean this sucks but i don't know why they wouldn't yeah like especially when this is just a fighting game and an arksis arksis taken i want to know we know like that'd be weird that'd be weird it'd be a waste not a waste of money but it's like dragon balls the fucking american anime franchise they should bring back hyper dimension is this gonna have new frieza or final battle 22 yes it's new frieza on this i can't guarantee you he's no but it's new is the new you guys see the details today about new frieza yeah yeah no did you know that if frieza 100 trained for four months he could defeat modern goku in the blink

of an eye seems legit that's canon that seems legit um and then people just post the animated gif of gohan vaporizing him with a single punch or they can post animated gifs of cops using connect to learn how to beat down you skipped this last week yeah so i'm bringing it back good that shit's funny that is so outrageous shit i wish we could get on you know who's still buying connects like give us the give us the what you mean who's still struggling to sell connects well there's there's apparently we always know who's apparently let's just get down the brass they're developing some software that police officers can use in training a third party company no it's not police force yeah yeah uh and they want to they want to sell this to the police to

use it for uh how to handle situations conflict resolution as such as the ones that have recently been plaguing the states in terms of violence and overreacting and things so so they should just release software for the connect that just uses the voice commands and not physical beats so this only uses both you have links to this in the in the thing right so people can go go watch this my favorite my absolute favorite you have the the bit with the guy with the baton and he's beating a black man yeah there's an animated gif of a video game teaching a cop how to beat a black and the black guys recoiling like yeah get off me but that's not my favorite one even the guy getting tasered into the water yes that's pretty hilarious oh that was my favorite that I thought that was the

top but that's not my favorite one all right the best one is the car stop in which the guy pulls the gun and it gives you a shot of the police officer straight on with his gun out and he starts to mouth drop the weapon and on the w he starts pulling the trigger like you can watch the video so drop your wet you can you can watch the animated gif like that dude is firing before the command is uttered like this is what the video game will teach the police fortunately this man is not a police officer but he may as well be great if they're like here's the footage of the game and it's just fighter within it just helps guy like seriously looks like like a dvd quality oh yeah this is that cop that shot before

fucking finishing his sentence triple s he fucking s ranked it suck just rock they should just give cops virtual cop they need to have the car because you're a lethal enforcer because you know because in virtual cop you get extra points for shooting the gun yeah then space extraction it's harder to shoot someone's gun hand when they have no gun you can do it if you think hard enough about it though yeah i guess just use the just if you're mad enough about anything you can see a gun anywhere yeah um well we there's things that we should get mad about at least some of us how about that try ace buyout so i was in such a good mood i had gotten my new perfect 3ds i put the screen protectors on in one try no bubbles no dust and then the first thing i saw

when i went on twitter was the try ace is dead well they're not dead they are dead they're dead to him they're zombies now they're not dead they're zombies they're undead so i put up a fucking twitter post that was just like yeah i got a new 3ds hey what a great day what bad oh god try no so now try ace has made a lot of garbage games and they've been garbage first since stars and three so but nepro japan came in and had the fucking bite to the next price fantasia i don't know no that was image epoch oh okay right image epoch yeah yeah it's a good company you know yeah no the uh nepro japan stepped in bottom and nepro japan's a mobile game company and tries are going to do mobile shit it seems like try ace like they were on a string of like

less successful games they did lightning returns and they did uh they helped on it no they did it they did it they made it entirely they made lightning rounds shut up well rumor has it it was going to be a new valkyrie profile game oh yeah you'll tell me this that's oh my god the valkyrie profile just oh i get the structure of lightning returns i can see it and if that game was exactly the same but just a valkyrie profile it'd be a way better game yeah yeah pretty much um and and their other one the other one they just did was uh fantasy star nova which was like not very good and also wasn't really a hit sales wise so why is that funny it wasn't good like it was all right but that's the problem was it was all right you know it's try ace is also in

my mind guilty of the worst one or the other yeah the worst example of not retconning something i've ever seen for star ocean for star ocean and that they had that plot twist at the end of star ocean oh and then oh so if you know you know and if you don't you can look it up but what's important is that star ocean four was not only bad it actively did not retcon that which um worst of all time worst of all time worst of all time yeah all time it is up there with it was all a dream after all it's the woat this is one of those like things where i go into a thread and i see people saying like and nothing changes in my life and i kind of have to think like yeah yeah it's it's a sad truth like because when i it's sad news exactly i'd rather maybe making console or handheld games

any day of the week when i see try ace and you know gets bought by mobile all the only the visceral like oh no reaction is literally the the cry of i really like star ocean two right like that's it like that's the whole baton kaitos was good i didn't play it okay it was really good i just really that's the only one that's my only link to try us at all it's not i really like star ocean believe in you and then i pop in buying kairos and i was like no he's always wrong it's not great it is great i'm you just love it because his cards they should have had great guys i'm gonna fight fight this is amazing i love the fmv they should have had that option at the beginning of star ocean three like metal gear solid or i like star ocean one i like star ocean two every game

should have that so if they made a fifth one it would go i like star ocean one i like star ocean two yes that's correct okay yeah i like nappy time with edgy oh get out of here limo uh you'll be really great the worst never news it says platinum bought by platinum and they're just standing there they've got two peas now how awesome would that be can the others be like yeah fuck you we did it heads on their hips big old smiles because you have the press conference you call everybody yeah and they're like okay our new our new owners are they're like a fucking just like uh curtain opens and they all just are standing there i can see that the headlines now sega sega hires platinum platinum for four

game contracts platinum platinum double platinum platinum squared pure platinum pure platinum double black oh my god that's so good um it was us fuckers uh uh liam you need to start praying to ono you need to start praying to ono because if he has his way and if the stars align street fighter five for the vita might be a thing i saw that i'm i'm happy he's been saying he wanted to do four on the vita for a while but stars weren't aligning on one but maybe this time around that sony bucks are on their side and bison bucks and sony bucks i have been i know they i think i i've read this i think if you speak yeah i think if revelations two does like all right on the vita i think they'll give it a stab honestly but it's monster hunter going to happen that's the question

isn't it will the vita exists in time for monster hunter five there's no reason for it to disappear anytime soon yeah because like monster hunter frontiers on there i played it but like frontiers no one who does no one who doesn't lay monster hunter understands why everyone just freaks out at frontier frontiers not good no it's the it's bad monster but no i i don't know i i think it's i think it's possible yeah totally in a world where revelations two is somehow making it pronounced revelatons and i support uh like diki ports of fighting games to handhelds even if you can't play them full on properly because you can practice your friend wait why can't you play them full on properly because your baby buttons is a controller man controls poorly

you can't dude you're not from the man who has his own controller set up for a ps2 pad i can play either way it's but like but it doesn't it it's not it's not they should put out a usb adapter he was forced to use a controller without a usb adapter that lets you plug your arcade stick into a vita how how many like how many top players play on 360 pads yeah dude like marvel players learned how to practice marvel yeah on the fucking thing on the veto it's a four button game exactly yeah like i support it i'm all aboard for that shit i think that news about like how you can release like a street fighter game on a handheld like 3ds and then we find out years later it's sold like 20 million copies for some reason more fighting games i think it only sold so well because it

was a launch title it was a launch title it's probably really cheap after a while it dropped like a rock but uh i don't know i hope it happens you're like the street fighter movie and fucking that have kept capcom alive for the last decade yeah i'm not sure they were telling the podcast but we were told about the capcom exact that's like you can talk shit about the street fighter movie it made us a zillion billion dollars every year you get paid every year for that i believe that i'm like that's all syndication you make that deal i make that deal i'd make that deal before breakfast every time um other other hype things in the works uh the rumors the rumor mill's you're gonna say nothing the rumor mill's trending and it says chasing after a zazzle

ml for those rumors predator and dylan slash a dylan costume of a bitch might be in pushing too many pencils huh anyone who thinks it's actually sure it's gonna be carl but no it's gonna be jacks with a car exactly it has to be because but predator is going to be in this game and is and is fucking taunt better be now we got a stew cooking now we got a stew cooking uh i've maxed in a video for his predator thing it's like the predator fits so well in the variation style because you one long range style one claw style one spear style like or whatever there's a million all of the the special effects that are in mortal combat like x could just be brought over the predator invisibility cano's eye laser it's all the stack is there it's also he fits that art style

literally perfectly i just hope if it is carl weathers that his alt is an arrested development costume yeah really no no it should be a happy gilmore costume oh yeah chubbs chubbs this is a fight and he's got the gators on both arms yeah yeah he's gonna fake it if i can't um and the other bit is that this is not even so much a rumor as it is just like this is likely because fucking taunt mcfarlane himself said it netherrealm has the rights to use spawn whenever they want no but the stinger is is that that ed brun doesn't know that wait what you might have been joking ed brun trolls ed brun lies which is straight up like someone goes hey did you know taunt mcfarlane said that he goes oh that's cool i didn't know wow well yeah but to be fairly they got a

free license to use like spawn has like taunt mcfarlane has for years been all lots of spawn stuff in the works bringing them back for the last decade yeah and now he's like he's saying it again we're there's some stuff it's in the works this what this means the immortal combat zelda tecan and soul caliber are all technically the same universe is correct but like as much as spawn has nothing going on he still fits mortal combat super well totally he's a hell spawn he could be like fucking smoking with scorpion down and then his wind pose will have jaunlin was ammo behind him and then i can never play this game but like that being said like just backing up the slides like in fact the clock it's just like it's it's such an easy gig like just do it's just an easy

do it my only problem is that if like let's say spawn is going to be in it that means four of your season pass slots of the four characters you get are not mortal combat characters that's a little much you see what they're doing though right like with katana you're getting like one of her styles is just jade so yeah i bet you that's not gonna be the only version of here's a character put into someone else's style yeah like if they put noob smoke back in you can have noob smoke and noob smoke yeah um that no but i i i don't know a noob smoke is alive in this time a producer for mortal combat confirm that there's no console exclusive characters because sweet tooth and full gore will be in the throne around this is like yesterday are there console exclusive characters

no yeah period yeah exactly yeah good and it's a good exactly fuck that shit you know even if you can get some cool cool pulls there it's just kind of a waste it gets forgotten yeah it gets forgotten every time halo man um halo man from dead or alive okay so i know obviously you and i know man i don't know if you guys know you know but if i say we're in the bunker ghost girl yeah we're doing word association yeah i think i think cassette tapes i i think uh new killer i think character yeah but wow what is your style what do you think uh sadako teleport pat you've seen the video you're just cheating you're just a full shade motherfucker i'll give you an example you didn't at you you did i did not lie i was toying with let me give you an example when not i not i think i

was like when i said it's a warrior ghost girl i think of unites naginata remember no did you oh but pat confirmed for not playing wonderful one oh one it's a no bonajah's ambition anyway when i think when i think no warrior ghost girl i think transparent samurai girl and that's where man's moulin maybe but the fact that when we say ghost girl i mean j-horam sadako yeah and like no the honest thing is i i would always say sadako i never expected that never in a million years for a fighting game that's nuts that's talking about that's that's uh zappa zappa from guilty gear from guilty yeah thank you but yeah okay but i i it's exactly that for ki especially i was not i wouldn't expect it from the western game spirit of a warrior exactly i didn't think dead like

random geisha for example it just it's like i wouldn't have thought somebody felt something those genre based for and and not like a more wider maybe maybe it's because i'm not that familiar with killer instinct but this seems totally unsurprising either way she looks fucking awesome yeah the first thing i said to matt when i saw it like cannot wait to see your teleports i cannot wait there's gonna be the most interesting teleports they have to have they have to go heavy on that the effects yeah and cassette shit once you tell him she's gonna teleport out of your your fucking kate your meters or your life bar like she's gonna come from places that make no sense like shit's gonna be fucked that being said her name is probably just gonna be japanese girl name

probably because it's like what you're gonna call her yeah sure like you meet or something you know just like something probably kiyaku himi ko himi ko is hitomi it's all up in she's gonna be jennifer uh oh no it's gonna be buffy marianne jennifer buffy buffy busty st clare uh and then that's her name right there and the other first lady of killer instinct rip tore rip tore you see that alt costume damn did i ever have his best most time transformer dino botch it's basically it's basically if dino bot got a trans metal exactly and i'm hype vexed that that's not the default it should be the default it's so much better you can make it you can make it your of course but it's it's just so much better than the original yeah well no the original is good

it's just that's that is always like the like i think that balrog's costume number two in a four should be his default going yeah yeah right like every time every time it's the same conversation yes nobody can hear me like double taking it on that one but yeah what shut up shut up you shut up no 100% you know um he likes it cami with the jacket and the fucking yeah the fox here you know so wasn't foxy anyway it's like foxy boxing good stuff good stuff um also the agonist final trailer is pretty sick i can see max's fingerprints all over that yeah because it's so narratively driven it's a really cool trailer and then yeah that his ultra is the the people's elbow yes ultra and there is some fucking people's elbow super cool um yeah man did a good job

going man you know and so like fighting games are all interesting and shit meanwhile we can't even keep track of all the shit going wrong with dead or alive five can't even get to one last round that that game just doesn't run right the xbox one version i when i was in the i was in the outboots i was in the gap i was in the gap topic and when people were coming home with it and just people at like i've been playing for two hours and it crashed eight times how does this get through okay and you think that's bad look at the fucking namco uh tecmo koei twitter account yeah i was spamming the earth spamming 30 support messages go to the team ninja go to the team ninja twitter you guys and scroll down to february 18th and just look at what they post on february 30

i like this did the urge to just retweet all of them like i really want it all of them boil down to when you get to the main menu don't press a because it'll delete your save file it has to download the costume pack yeah you know the one okay you remember everybody remember the fisticuffs we did in which dead or alive we couldn't get into the game because of the costume stuff yeah this is this exact problem ported to a new corner to a new console on a way larger and worse scale and the game constantly crashes uh if you go to the only on xbox only on xbox you can play i have the playstation rovers and it's completely fine yeah i grabbed a free one i didn't see any problem you go to you go to the character's left screen you pick um um hayate and uh the new girl

in the hood yeah phase four phase four and on the same team and you just know the game says no you can't no to crash or no you just can't get into a fight it won't let you go forward damn nope how does that get through these characters don't like each other you guys know testing hey there's so many variables you miss stuff every game is buggy nowadays i know but you know what here's how it got through here's how it got through the first like three or four rolling submissions were all fucking fails and eventually they got them in at the letter where it's like this passes the rules to the letter they fluked it and but it doesn't mean the thing works it just means it doesn't break these guidelines you know maybe some money was

exchanged i doubt it technically it's a little bit more rough but but like it used to be the case that you could pay a fee if you promise to fix it by the time it came out and and you know what but you get just not levied against you if you do that it's not yeah i know but it used to be possible but now it's getting worse and worse that that's just the backlash is worse no i yeah i just it becomes less and less likely here's something that happens every yeah i did that to every single time a game gets ported i'm i will make this generalization because it's true uh the team of people testing that will be like okay this is being dropped on a new console uh we got to make sure it works just fucking load up the old one and just do what that did yeah just keep going back there

to figure out what your reference point was how did we do this before and when and when the way you did it before it was also broken oh god that's totally what's happened yeah i have to find a solution to that guess what that's that's actually totally like class 360 version is also fucked up so you just keep going back to the well and on top of it you get half if you're lucky the testing team yeah it's a port yeah yeah even though it's the two systems you know even though it's a really big job it's on pc as well isn't it uh the pc version got delayed by three months but it's still coming and then the online will be delayed another three months but it's still coming like they're still maybe it's dude it's at least been in the work someone's been testing we will see if

that if one that game comes out and goes on sale if it will qualify in our estimates as having been released yeah well like that's that's what i mean regardless their team is spread like thinly to make this the cheapest for our programming and the guy's seen all these problems and he turns to someone goes should we keep going and then the guy's like yes hey just keep going hey if you don't do this code we'll put you on bladestorm bladestorm what really sucks is that it marrs like it marrs yeah don't worry you can test that uh it marrs like oh bladestorm nightmare yeah okay yes i got it marrs is the best dead or alive game like yeah easily with all these fucking issues and did not even let's say everything

worked perfectly dead or alive five is still like disgusting with just its amount of poorly like categorized that's not all it's disgusting this was this was the first week that i didn't look through all the products released on psn because there were 40 pages i'm not even kidding after going through like 20 pages i just stopped i know the number i know the number but i don't think you guys do you exhaustively research it's 400 plus isn't it if you want to buy all the cost oh you mean in dollars i don't know how much does it cost over a thousand without duplicates without duplicates there's a fee there's the season pass yeah i don't i don't is is this taking the cheapest route or just there's the season pass for it how much do you think the season

pass for dead or alive five last round more than the fucking base game let's no let's let's hear some some estimates i want to hear some guesses 300 bucks 15 bucks you say 300 i say i say 29 dollars it is 92 dollars if you want every single costume because you're getting like 20 costumes for character like you're getting like 380 costumes what what other fighting game can you think of that has that it's like and like the worst part is it's like i it might be 93 but i know it's 92 point oh my god seven something like it's not even it's not even a flat number because the season pass is they literally just tallied it all up hey man it's optional current and then broke it all yeah it's enough to oh no we gotta get the catalogs no no here's here's the problem i downloaded

the game and the catalogs come with the catalogs like the least of your problem the problem is that when you go through the costumes the downloaded costumes they're not at the end say you have 30 costumes for kasumi you have the 10 that you can unlock then you have the 10 you can buy then you have a couple more that you can unlock then you have a couple more that you can buy and they've mixed and matched it and so that you will if they just been implemented you will always always always always have to move past these download costumes you know what this sounds like though this sounds like you're gonna be playing something at pats and you're gonna be playing something for a fucking video and it's gonna say all bunny costumes now downloaded no see here's the thing that as part of

the last that doesn't even happen as part of the last round uh you know it comes with some of the old dlc so all the bunny costumes are unlocked and in the game right now so are all the gray i thought that was $19 so are all the christmas ones you're the ones that art is the lingerie set and the my playtime set where that one was selling little kids no worries patch shame comes in the box fuck this it's and you know what else is like makes like oh i was listening to the bomb cast last week and it got brought up and i didn't realize it but playing dead or alive five makes me sad because i'm playing as jackie and pie and all these characters from sega who just slashed the shit out of all of their development including their fucking arcade development are we ever

going to see a virtual fighter game is dead or alive five creepy little girl game gonna be the last you imagine is great shut up totally wait isn't there a new virtual fighter like remix revision it's uh it's another it's another version it's not there's no balance changes there's no it's just just cosmetic shift for the arcade great um speaking of sega uh yeah apparently yuji naka uh struggled more than he ever has in making rodea the sky soldier the new game that i'm shocking uh no no he's not working on it woolly it's finished it's been finished for ages yeah oh really okay so the timeline is he works on rodea the sky soldier yeah he finishes rodea the sky soldier game disappears from everyone's site uh then over a year later rodea the sky

soldier announced for we you in 3ds everyone rejoices and then like a month later new info comes out rodea the sky soldier for we you in 3ds are the same game and they're an entirely different game from the we game that yuji naka made and the we you version of the game ships with the we disc in the box and it's an entirely different game what the fuck happened what is going on what the fuck is this nobody knows what happened well now you're getting two games for the price of one and you have to play one by loading the own develop it probe probe probe probe and they made let's tap and ivy the kiwi i love i yeah ivy the kiwi yeah but like what who's putting this at it's cat o kawa games yeah but niss uh niss america but cat o kawa is the one who did all

the stuff the fuck leads a company to make that kind of decision and no one knows if the game is good that's the biggest thing because it's not out till april looks like video game yeah like it looks like it looks like nobody even knows if it's good like why was why was the we version can't but it can't be bad because then why would anyone pick it up and then decide to release it yeah there's some like crazy offensive shit in this that is just too either way the director is like a brand new guy like because yeah the wii version is different this is so is this is this and the disc for the for the wii original is in the box it's not a wii version of the wii version is this at the is this the tail end of some sordid internal sega blackmail plot against yuji naka i do like

because i mean like that means they printed them and had them sitting there i don't know not maybe but either way but what he said was he was like over the course of the the nine years he's worked at probe no game has struggled more than rotea like i'm completely unshaken because every step of the way he had to fight over every decision rotea's struggle is nothing short of divine i am so glad that we've got a localization announcement before it's even out in japan yeah that's always not even pointing out the fact how come the o in rotea is exactly like the o in sonic when when sawn the word like when sawn the hedgehog's logo is like that it's the exact same good question that's the kind of one that's on a slight angle that's the kind of o that yuji naka

likes maybe he just likes the you know if you fold the american dollar bill in a certain way you get the you get like an illuminati yeah exactly nicholas gauge comes in bam the stonecutters offer you to join exactly i wish stonecutters seem read um yeah i guess you're just staring at a screen did you did you guys follow the nipponichi thing because they announced the dangarama okay yeah tell me what are the biggest announcements ever that was so it was it was five skews and it was this guy of five which is pretty big for them it was new dangarama which dangarama is a bit of a hit what's that called ultra dangan rampa another episode ultra despair girls ultra despair girl which is that a third person shooter game that goes between the first and the second but it's

pretty good i like those words it's great but it spoils both games yeah play it's like metal yourself three play it play it exactly and then don't even look at anything for this no don't even look at it his character spoilers yeah culprits are showing up yeah people who may or may not should be dead or should be alive you know and then the three skews of rodea we you 3ds same game biggest announcement ever for them that's huge i don't know well put no it is for them that's no the biggest announcement ever would have been like the sky is six well yeah but i mean like for for nipponichi software that's a that's a big slate against i guess i guess the biggest announcement ever is nipponichi announces they bought capcom like technically that was in some in some horrible

gambling accident they ended up with capcom nipponichi announces it's gained bought by platinum platinum i okay i want that headline to exist gambling accident results in something positive like i don't know what but gambling accident is a premise i like gambling accident results in project nightcry making its funding yeah that's that shit that shit looked doomed congrats to those guys they pulled it through at the last like 2048 hours that was a high number man that was a high number mass a hero ito gets to eat okay he was gonna anyway yeah he was i'm pretty sure he was still shipping the game i know yeah there was still gonna come from ios i just love messing hero ito and i want him to get more work of course yeah unlike keiji inafune he would not have died

if this didn't make it yeah i know he wouldn't have faded away as the 30 days went on he was getting uh more and more transparent until on the last day they could barely see him in the company he was back to the future ring yeah yeah exactly um although uh also new new shit new trailer for dragon's dogma online looks fucking amazing oh my god i was quite surprised it looks you never played the first one or just just the first uh like first look demo it's monster hunter for people that hate monster hunter that's what dragon's dogman with what was that demo packed in r6 r6 yeah r6 and with a really really japanese cast of character no it was the other way around dragon's dogma came with an r6 demo yeah oh that's why and the demo was uh free for dragon's dog but

you could download it and and make your hair yeah that looks like medieval daunte yeah okay yeah it's the same guy it's the same guys who made double my cry yeah no i'm but i'm like i'm looking at the guy i'm like that's fucking daunte with a sword yeah well but you know now announce it for the west we know it's trademarked in the west just get it over with all the lip syncing is clearly not japanese yeah i know that's really funny like they're putting out a japanese trailer for a game that's quote unquote japan only and there's japanese dialogue over what is clearly english lip syncing i think they gotta stop just saying like we have no plans for this in the west when it's like yes you do you trade like i know you have plans for this you're a liar you you're obviously

are you telling you you're gonna make a ps4 and pc skew for japan and all marketing has a plan he doesn't want anyone to fuck it up i agree with you and i i i above anyone here always say i hope they didn't fuck their marketing campaign because of leaks and stuff yeah but god damn it don't say lie we have no plan say no comment no comment is better than that and and on the flip side on the other side of the equation when there are actually no plans don't say there are no plans because we've just established that that statement is always a lie one way or another just say we're not making one right now see is it that you guys are wrong in this because paul marquine wants he wants to tell you that there are no plans so then he can surprise i know

then he gets you and he gets it and instead he surprises us by the time we don't care anymore paul marketing says that phantom dust is not cancelled it's not it's not cancelled yeah but darkside game studio has not shut down they've parted ways with microsoft yeah that fucking headline on neogaf what's his face you get so sensational that was like sensationalist bullshit all the way you should go read just cancelled fuck you yeah you should go write for paul you gotta look at higher dinners yeah yeah studio shuts down game cancelled turns into uh game not cancelled studio does not shut down they just separated way to go that's a little good talk around that story saying doom 4 is cancelled and then then like the test that goes no it isn't

they're like oh what happy fifth on an interview yeah happy fifth birthday vida oh my god that way we never talked about that you never talked about it all this time yeah mic fey on kotaku i think he's the editor at kotaku he wrote no totellos the totellos you're right you're right um on the vita's third birthday he wrote happy fifth birthday playstation vida and in the in the quote-unquote article he wrote fifth or five multiple times and he wrote the th after the word fifth yeah no it's the kind of thing where like you know all newspapers have obituaries pre-written for famous people yeah so they'll be able to print them i feel like they have these birthday messages written in advance and they printed the wrong one or something oh what kind of mistake is that like

you couldn't google it no well when you're when you're a slow bro now he's like a fucking fast bro dude oh yeah you're right yeah no when you're too busy reporting on kim jong il's haircut yeah you've got no time for you but it's their culture hold on they're reporting on the haircut of a skeleton that's correct go kim jong il yeah i saw some guy be like i'm sorry now that it's kim jong il his game relevant now i saw some guy somewhere be like man does anybody around here miss that skeleton shit like yeah i do yeah of course skeletons are great first story about a haircut on a skeleton is way more interesting there's gonna be skeletons for you buddy coming soon it's true actually yes i know actually there's a little bit of skeleton in all of us yeah

he's always propping you up even when you don't want him to damn it i just want to stay here like a mid out of rubber always be like i was luffy some some motherfuckers are always trying to sell darkest dungeon illegally on the windows game oh my god so here's the background i have the okay while i skate okay i have a thing i want to say when there's two things because one is that the the the core of it is the darkest dungeon the early access game that we did a video on is currently being sold for 399 in the official windows store this is not uh uh like a extra whatever side store this is microsoft's official pc store platform and darkest dungeon is being illegally sold there by fucking someone too it's being sold by a guy who has a pirated copy of windows

because the screenshot on the windows store says please activate your windows the okay i had a third one here how does this get through that answers that question is that microsoft is so desperate to get people on the store get things on the store that they have been sending people out to universities to tech universities and telling students hey guys fucking make anything put fucking anything on the store we need apps we need apps so this is this is the same store in which you can spend five dollars to learn how to download vlc so the audacity of this um indian man to steal the game and do all this and not even copy the descriptions from the steam store and instead write his poor english version of what it is and and clearly like microsoft game store like verification

method is they get to you on msn messenger and go hey man is it you yeah he's a gap yeah i know it's me well okay all right are you serious now to be honest like i i've used the the game store a little bit on my girlfriend's like surface that she got given from microsoft what because it can't get my my girlfriend's mom she went to a convention for business people that's what she does they just give those away giving surface because no one alive it's fucking entertainment 720 but in real life when was this it was in a surface pro or service pro to a surface pro went back when they were like new shit because you remember they had to buy back almost all their surface pro stock had to buy it back from retailers damn so they could send out the surface pro to they want to send the surface

pro to out retail and retail said we still have like 90 percent of the surface pros you sent us sitting on ourselves we're not going to stock shit unless you buy back millions of these tablets i've used the store before and like i've gone through it there are so many like dreck clone games and shit that i honestly feel like the people in the char the curators are just not there's like the way they're not games people there's no human being involved no i think it's way worse if there's if there's anyone it's a 30 year old woman who doesn't know anything about electronics so i can upload a full neogeo rom set with neo rage at the store i i think it upload them individually here's the thing the microsoft store has been languishing to an extreme

that we've never seen of any store since the games for windows live store and it's a situation in which they're like okay when we pull this quality bar down the numbers go up how far can we pull it down okay just remove the bar oh and and just wait until the number hits the same number as the apple app store and then we'll start to work on changing the thing's image or some shit like that they are so far behind the only thing that can turn it around at this point is hollow lens being successful like that there is no way they will ever catch like oh you remember all the in quantity anyway you remember all that shit where new all and all these pc people were terrified because microsoft is going to monopolize the pc with their own internal store well you

don't have to fucking worry about that shit anymore failed as hard as it could it's failed as hard as it possibly could and poor dudes on twitter like does anyone know anyone at the microsoft game store does anyone have a contact no no all right i'll just wait just to run by a guy in a bunker there's only there's only one upside to this story and that at least this illegally sold version is being illegally sold on the windows game store of which there are few copies likely to be so the dent in the sales is probably less than zero because the story will let people know about tarkis but it's like probably but that but that's and watch that red hook actually did this yeah it was that it was that as a marketing plan all along there's a work like if the guy that put

this on any sales they get there is good for them too if the guy that puts us up there gets a sandwich out of that deal apparently the tastiest sandwich ever this is whoever is in charge of this but not like but their job isn't only this you know like the person high enough that this falls underneath their purview but their job isn't windows app store person they should be fucking ashamed of how that shit turned out i'll never forget when i was setting up the podcast and like and all the channels that we're going through yeah i gotta send it itunes and stuff like that yeah it's on leveson it's on itunes it's on stitcher um and how do i get it on zune let me look this up uh okay email tom at zune.com he told me this story yeah and he will email you back and go all right great i got

your email you're now on the zoom store you're now on the zoom podcast thing and by the way if you email tom at zoom now you'll probably get a mailer daemon request by the way you can't hear it but i am like manically shaking my head as woolly describes this because this is some cartoon shit beyond zune i don't know no one of us have nobody in the world has a zune to check at the start of the podcast there was like at least one guy that said thank you so much all i have is zune we're talking about a goddamn music item electronic device that they decided that they were gonna sell with the primary advertised color being shit brown you remember that how could you know what a zune looks like its color is shit out of your ass brown yeah i mean that's where the entire design came

out of they text her simple did it's cool um uh yeah does uh anyone anyone care about about eight hour desert limo achievements i don't even know what desert is desert bus uh round about has an achievement round about sick where you play desert limo which is i guess another mode of the game uh for eight hours to get your achievement that's good shit that's good stuff that's good stuff right there now you see like desert bus was a troll game invented to troll and to actually lock an achievement behind it and it's kind of no this is sticking it to the achievement man this is this is what a zune looks like yeah that's shit brown yeah um it is it's like the uh stanley parable achievement i was about to say this is stanley parable in it where it's just like no

fuck you you're not getting this yes testing that must have been fun they didn't have to just didn't they didn't even they said it worked i don't know they probably tested it but they put it on a frame skip and hold till the yeah you guys see the uh the nintendo academy awards what no nintendo had their own specific uh oh i mean twitter stuff is this where they award their own games everything yeah well no no it's um the burdo award for best movie with the word bird in it goes to bird man and shit like that man whenever they're trying to be funny on twitter they're the worst it's you remember the cranky kong thing on twitter yeah i'm imagining bill trinian coming up with these gags that's that's what i what what nintendo should well what else is he gonna do in

the hole that they stuck him in he takes the bayo costume puts it on what they should nintendo america should do is just reprint bad me verse post posts yes i just put that every day that nintendo would make so much money if they started printing books they they should they should start posting people's angry message board things about them like i had this moment like i'm trying to get it out but i'm having trouble i had this moment where i i went to get food with pat at this restaurant okay and above the urinal was this conversation going on the wall and i read it and it read exactly like me verse and i was like damn and the next time you go to that restaurant i'm never gonna go to that restaurant bathroom well all that me verse post he has a guy talking about pornhub no that

really famous one that sounds awesome i've seen other places it's just this guy and it's just got this little random little regular looking me as his avatar it's always this every time i go to pornhub i masturbate so hard and that's all the beaver's post is did we have this guy's a hero now he has no style he has no grace this kong has chlamydia hello man just i just want i just want nintendo twitter updates disparaging people using the terms shit tender we appeal and the 3d shit 3d me and Liam we're losing our minds over this before the podcast started for you is like i can see how childish you're being but when you say 3d shit you literally gave up trying to think of a joke in halfway through you look no it's just shit it's a joke that only works in print well

yeah as soon as you say it you realize it's the stupidest thing in the world uh i'm gonna start calling it back this is so funny and lastly but not leastly revenge by death is this ring a bell mad vaguely fatal fury one has been remade as a beat-em-up avenge by death and uh this is pretty cool uh someone basically put it through the final fight ringer i played i played this i played the first two levels and there's a line where that geese howard says to no one he's in an empty room and up until then all the cutscenes have been terry and joe and andy and tongue for talk we gotta take down geese he's really evil and as you go on as you defeat bosses that appear in fatal fury one like duck king richard mire they join your group

right that sounds right and we go we will fight geese we're tired of geese's tyranny and upon the second level no one likes geese howard upon the second level there's a cutscene of geese going i hear there are rumors that three stupid kids are trying to challenge me in regards to terry joe and andy and when i saw that i just lost my shit so this is the fucking cutout that the guy made right neo geo revenge by death south town a place where ambition and desires thrive only the strong survive tomorrow while the dreams of the weak torn apart and left for dead this is the town's only law so how is that not real the entire game is filled with this and it feels so authentic to how fatal fury special was written with all its stupid end quotes and in victory like things

it's it's fucking perfect the actual game's like not that bad like it's pretty good but the fact that geese is just in this room like this gigantic empty throne going i hear there are three stupid kids yeah there are three like 20 year old dudes and an old guy that's not three kids and duck king and duck king and richard mire um how old is duck king it's not he's duck age probably actually like 50 yeah duck king's like the 60 year old man that tricked everyone with air dye and started his own club yeah to hit on chicks i get it because ducks because uh i the loop i fully support taking sprites from games that are not beat them ups and turning them yeah sure one of the first the natural one is the first beat them up goonies you beat is just uh asuka from tournament fighters

yes he just shows up fucking sure that works more the sprites just work but they actually look good like it fits they picked the right ones drop in one second somebody's coming out the door give him more hair dye the hair dye shipper is here he ships hair dye to and fro and by to and fro i mean to out willies fro hair joke it's letter time it's letter time if you want to send a letter send it to a mailbox to somebody else but if you want to send an email send it to super best friendcast at gmail.com if you want to ask us about how how we magically teleported from you hearing a buzz in this podcast to letter time you can send it to super best friendcast gmail.com you gotta do a pretty thorough job there you gotta do it twice you have to do it always yeah but you took such a long time

to get to the second one okay once more all together super best friendcast at gmail.com because i realized that i came back and continued but they're all they're gonna hear is the buzz of the thing and then a hard cut to letter time yeah it's one it's it's one the aliens came in and replaced all of us with human cyborg like copy variants they can't know the secret no shit we're all gumbees now oh stop talking about gumby you're right every time you say it gumby is great and eddie murphy is gumby is the best real quick you guys y'all want to know you don't know about eddie murphy is gumby no i have no idea what is it you need to go to youtube right now i look at that right after this what does gmail want to know patently and why do you hate nino cooney we don't oh it's i don't hate it

i know this gmail yeah wait that gmail yeah he he messaged me and said you guys play real cooney and then no not the gmail and then and then i brought it up and i said hey you what do you think of nino cooney and we both kind of went uh that's good but i didn't get i got into it for the whimsy and not the the battle system and everyone loves the start of that and then halfway through that game just says double down and start grinding like a motherfucker yeah no it's it's a perfectly good game it's just not what i thought it turned into a different game halfway through that i didn't like all right that's it too much random battles thanks for the suggestion though uh scotivus wants to know matt how would you feel about homemade chocolate given to your

a significant other on valentine's day is that like more is it due to butter original and a lot less like corporate i think that's i think that's super sweet like even if it's bad chocolate even if you make it poorly you made it you you put your hands into it and you you made something that excuses the the corporate chili no i was excusing like like it's it's you know if you buy chocolate it's fine but like you're making the chocolate is like pretty nice i wouldn't even do that i know exactly you're looking at me like what the fuck face no okay no i'm just pointing at matt just pointing at this guy wow this guy loving people you know what the best look at him filibustering this answer you know what the you know what the you know the best part of uh of valentine's day

in easter is is that when you go to the grocery store and buy a big thing of chocolate no one looks at you yeah for enough they don't even think about it that said my girlfriend made me chocolate and it was the sweetest thing they were little pink hearts she makes lots of good stuff she's great she gave us those uh those uh alcohol those alcohols that she made yeah mash says uh if you were to open a themed restaurant or shopping center toy store etc what would it be uncle mo's uh why next question yeah uncle mo's i'd make a hairdresser place called uppercuts and put it next to a bar all right oh god no one's gonna beat the suggestion this guy wrote in with that's amazing there's no that's amazing i don't even care about your answers that was so good to give

that one i would need at least 20 minutes of barbershop called uppercuts done next question and then you get a call every time that a guy has sick new styles and you should come down and try them out yeah that's big doc styles right there that's unbelievable hey that's so good how does the person who wrote that email expect us to come up with anything nearly that good in like five yeah i know it's a show off email it's a show off anyone sending something in please send back your answer so that we can come up with a better one if yours is that's so good if yours is the best we're not gonna try answer your own email with the best answer damn it it's more like i had such a cool idea would you have any better than my know like what that's true go open that place brad wants to know

all right there hello gentlemen my friends obsessed fan of blaze with guilty gear both right i asked if he was interested in the upcoming mortal combat game and he scoffed and said games god no air dashes so fuck that game that's uh well yeah he's he's right it has no air dash it's even a street fire he's being narrow minded and have you ever refused to play a game that lacked a specific mechanic based on that reason i there's no there's different reasons to play different games if he loved if he's like way in air dashes and the movement that you get in the air in arxist games then no he's not gonna probably like the air combat in those games is horrible well i don't know the relative but yes he is narrow minded if that's gonna be the eliminator

like that that's a deal breaker i know i don't have an air I know i've looked at like footage of at least i can i can think of three beat-em-ups and completely wrote them off for not having grappling mechanics i love a good parry yeah but i'm not gonna i'm not gonna stop playing a game if i realize it doesn't here's what you do that of course get get mkx and have your friend come over and play a couple matches break his blaze and then at least you he'll be able to have hands on time and be like this sucks because yeah then a second reason that you think is just as stupid or if you beat the shit out of him he won't even be able to come back properly Joseph is trying to get his friends to try the new killer instinct but uh they say that him that the releasing of the dlc

characters and seasons is a scam so he won't support that is the that is awesome that is awesome ignorance to the point of hilarity yeah killer instinct is possibly the best free to play model ever ever um yes he has no problem with doa five what then then kill your friend no don't kill your friend don't kill your friend it's a similar honestly it's the same distribution method for extra characters it's you pay you pay for x character as much as doa five does have 400 ship bag scum costumes the characters are just like five dollars yeah but koa koa koa um koa wish yeah you wish your god is okay king of instinct uh is probably the best fighting game model out there right now dude and their characters are coming out that way because they're making them

what they're coming out as fast as the pizza's coming out of the oven it's hot i still think ign's original article and like miss yeah communication still fucks over the game to a lot my dad still thinks the xbox one is online only still i can't see doesn't give a shit i can't remember the last time i was so perpetually excited about piece by piece releases of shit ongoing over time because they could have just kept all the season to hush hush until bam here it is yeah in your face eight new unbelievable whatever you guys not have cared that much because it's it's it's the weight for a character yeah the preview of the character then the character comes out and in the character trailer hey look there's a little bit of a taste

of the next character and you're getting your hands on within weeks from the announcement yeah it's it's great the pace is banana is weird but it's so great to have the feeling of oh my god there's the new thing you just showed me and now i can touch it right now like yeah i love that oh it's awesome that being said it's like well it's a good model it's like i don't want every fighting game to be like that i would want like 50 characters sometimes i would hate the world where every game did this like now skull girls the other instinct are doing it the idea fighter can do it too and no one else the idea of like looking at like five games that i'm playing right now and thinking that i will still have to follow their content in six months time and every game i would have to follow

for ages is something i would hate intimidating but like for no like considering ki is the only one doing it right now it's doing it so good yeah and i mean and you know skull girls is doing it too although when you think about like it's so much slower i don't even think it's the same i don't even feel like it's the same kind of model it's different yeah um um yeah you're right our galaxy is to tell tale as skull as as lab zero is to valve with the timing of episodic releases you've not even close to yeah i know i know i just wanted to get that in where is my half-life three game i know i know you're spending a lot of time beating fools asses on video game championship wrestling by the way fuck toad fuck toad time fuck toad uh

austin wants to know if we're all cable cutters yeah yeah next question i didn't when i moved out i didn't even try to still subscribe to cable tv oh no yeah no definitely what when i know i austin because internet exists when i moved out like i didn't even bother setting up a cable i've never had a cable ever i didn't there was no cable for me to cut yeah okay bernard wants to know your ogie multi-hit or single-hit i don't know what that is your final attack your final attack desperation moves secret hidden single head single hit single hit single hit single hit no scaling don't tell me what the move is just single multiple multi multi you get interesting audio stuff going around the way really i'm not really single hit you only get the one yeah but it's so what it's

but it's you get that sound effect just right but i prefer the build up to the climax no no i like i like no i like the build up so there's a build up so the one that the one that's in my head right now is uh rio's neo max from kof 13 where it's just the single smith the punch and it's it's yells and it echoes echoes echoes echoes and then you get the the long kata and then the wind the loudest crash ever it's a crack and it just yeah it's a crack it's not a crack and it's so good yeah um yeah no and the galactic phantom also of course and every every grapple every big grapple jump a potemkin buster you know like big ball um jakel wants to know how we've managed to uh dodge the nintendo orbital strike on zibatsu headquarters by using green greens this long

i don't know because machinima lets us use video game music freely and openly as much as i think i don't even think that's it i think it's just such a tiny cut i think i think it needs to be seven seconds or longer something like that but video game our thing is seven seconds long every time we use oh then it has to be ten or something like you go back to like when i was making like fighter pedia like every track i use for everything is just video game music because that seems to be covered and concerned okay well it depends sometimes like a lot of platinum games won't let you use the music because they are with license with license people that's that said i didn't read the list for epic yarn i guess i should have looked for it but i don't know if i'm yarn is even on the list it might be

it might be i don't think it is i don't know i honestly don't all of her wants to know what your favorite episode of gameside or cx was oh good question oh my god that's a that's a tough one i don't mind i don't mind battle toads because i've never seen any you only you only saw battle toads do we be battle toads oh my god that's such a good question what's the uh what's the the the the rpg with the princess and the the the kingdom something kingdom the the grappling hook girl what the japanese like me whatever oh yeah uh fucking umihara cow i say that one's really good that's not the one you're thinking of but that's the one i'm thinking of the thing you have the the pumpkin or whatever princess eggplant princess or something like that oh um tomato tomato something

something yeah i know that one princess tomato i don't know man this is a this is a really hard question fucking hard question i see that there's because there's like a lot of episodes too you see that japanese tomato robot um no but i saw the rubik's cube solver uh in the meantime if you do the three of us pick what our favorite hajime noipo intro was from michael intro second one second one burning demsy rolling the burning flames the music is the best yeah and you know the music's the best because they don't stop using that track for the rest of the series yeah that's the second one um easy leo's wondering what our favorite weapon nickname is for example jesse from uh they're all the old rifle in mass effect two or the justifier as the nickname for a gun i got

one that was the actual name there there are multiple guns that have this designation sometimes it's a nickname sometimes it's the actual name of the gun i don't give a shit it's the peacemaker yes the peacemaker is the best yeah no that's a hard one i appreciate the spiritual reincarnations of massimune and muramasa yeah sure uh jeez red queen red queen red queen um i'm busy working on the last i'm also i'm also gonna give uh give an honorable mention to the bfg sure well you're thinking of princess tomato and the salad kingdom thank you that's the one that sounds raunchy like why is that why is it's why is that hit my ear like the filthiest shit in the world it's it's a really good episode okay uh i really love the out of this world uh and um mystery of atlantis

episodes uh but i think my favorite one's clock tower really clock tower i really like that one flashback was really good too when he did that and uh prince of persia as well prince of persia and the golden axe one's kind of funny but it's it drags on a bit yeah it's just like old man yeah it's just so fucking hard you can't do the last section like that game is fucked hard yeah kyle's got one that uh it's kind of interesting it's not a game that you like each of us were individually a fan of but you knew that the rest of us wouldn't like until you introduced a certain mechanic what mechanic would we need individually to to sell us on the game well he needs parrying he needs will he need some sort of cool defensive maneuver yeah it doesn't need to be parrying

it doesn't need to be that it can be an instant dodge that leads to slow down it can be you know just but you you you fucking wet your panties over high skill requirement there's a word mechanics defensive mechanism yeah that's what i just said you just but for woolly it can also be like multi-hit attacks where the where the game the frames skip between hits you know what i mean pauses between hits oh hit stop yeah hit stop yeah a good like dtr Liam needs it to be on the feta Liam needs to be on the feta no no Liam needs cards Liam needs cards yeah if you if you no matter what the genre is you introduce a card version you like it more you could do you can introduce cards and any anything anything yeah anything can be replaced with cards yeah that's

no you can even just add them on top of something else anything that's what i'm i'm gonna say for loom i don't know what from that i don't know what matt likes none of us know what matt like i don't know better you know matt matt needs they've been together longer predators a fucking a good old dumb reference a good old throwback to some stupid old shit that only he knows or you know or you know what no but something from an era of stupid shit you're not wrong i think like a good example is just like you know uh mrs uh explosion man whatever okay game they should have made a second one because it was kind of a flash in the back that they had the balls to say the explosion man no but the fact that there's like or one of the best predator references ever

is when the first boss blows up and she goes what the hell are you and he goes what the hell are you and then the boss opens up a fucking ball and she goes yeah she runs away and also she was the one that goes uh can't mess with us god jesus saw my necklace really really is right if you have a good but it can't carry the game if the game is shit yeah that for you it's a hook where you're like okay i'm gonna look at it i'll look at it a bit more uh pat you need pat needs i don't know i have broader needs broader tastes no but what i need the ability to cheat in a game oh that's one of two things will bring pat in like just like fucking entry level references to the dsm and basic psych topics yeah it's not that much anymore the farther i get away from school the

lets i remember back in the day that's all you were all yeah but i'm i can't remember you know because the anime you're fucking i can't even remember um i was gonna say that or just the fucking most microman maxing bullshit yeah just like zoom in on those numbers and make more numbers i'm kind of shocked you those numbers online i don't like even online i can't stand to sky this guy yeah so so i like that like for me i would say like stupid dialogue branching they can go forever like give give me the thing that woolly flips his shit out over is the 11 dialogue choices of what can change the nature of a man like every time i said like that whole concept's why i got into like why mass effect grabbed me when i first saw it when i saw the

dialogue we were like oh my god look at this interesting thing they're doing the dialogue and that's before i they ran it into the ground and it became the most boring thing you could possibly do with dialogue to the point where if you see a dialogue wheel in another game you now i just go but i'd rather a list i want to go back to the list yeah the list is good how do we combine all these things that's that's the real idea uh kingdom hearts chain of memories you know what you know it's got dumb references to old disney you know oh doesn't have a cool defensive mechanic of course it does you dash around you have a cool catch and pat i can't believe you pulled that out so fast i do like kingdom hearts but i can't stand the card

shit but that's not that's the best i hate the card i can't believe he pulled that out so fast i was gonna say ff 14 because of triple triad but there's no old reference in there and triple triad's not the right kind of card game either but no dumb old western things i want a card game where you there's progression and stuff okay triple triads like i don't want to play old maid you know to a kingdom no he just nail hearts ff kingdom hearts is all of those things i can't wait to see what the ff they do to kingdom hearts 3 to try and catch people up on 15 years of bullshit retcon the movie among every console that ever existed yakuza the movie well you laugh but shamu can be amazing i said shenmu oh i think it's shamu shenmu i heard shamu i don't know shenmu the movie you

know yakuza the movie is like six hours long now uh yes because i watched it for work does it yeah you're right you did does it include black panther and shit or well no i'm just not even i'm for five and for zero like what's that going to be up to now but i mean like it doesn't even no black panther does not matter like black panther and ishin are not canon to the yakuza they're not no she black panther is like canon but it doesn't matter it's negligible okay like the the only thing in black panther that matters the only thing in black panther that matters is the only thing in black panther 2 they they bring up the fact they mentioned that like why are you guys all beat up this little every year this dude comes around with a gray suit and we send all the gang members

against him as a hazing process and that's why he cure you fight so many random battles because he is being used as hazing for gangs that's so cool it's the best i never knew that yeah english is always also a way to get me on board a bit you love it like i won't get on board but i'll be trotting to catch up to the fucking when i was in japan every piece of english you'll be running next to the train just looking over like kamikawa uh yeah yeah yeah no i i i can't get over that fucking kingdom hearts dude okay hold anyway you'll live uh i might you might not this might be the end what's coming up and what are we watching well i mentioned previously that uh liam and i are starting uh life is strange yep that's already up at this rate yeah the first episode

are people telling me there's two's out already no it's supposed to be out early march so that's actually people have been asking me why haven't i played this because i want to wait till they're all out in case it shits itself yeah uh our new show is which we teased last week jude tazley is coming out later today today tuesday tuesday i review world premiere yeah premiere uh i hope you guys like it yeah because it could very well be the worst that's the thing you know it's a good show idea when it's super high risk you don't know yeah it's high risk this is the highest risk and it's high risk for you i guess it's about almost yeah i guess um you know what and let me fuck it let's just ask the public about the new thing from today uh what would you guys think

let us know oh yeah you want to know about this yeah well yeah what would you guys think about uh us doing a monthly just here's a runoff of the games of note the games are no coming out this month just because it's something that we find there it's not really easy to like they do it on game trailers but it doesn't cover enough like it's not granular enough also all it is is a b-roll of footage with the text of the game yeah and us going like hey that looks cool and just just sort of to let you know what's going on because i remember when uh our friend shmup godpat used to uh write up he tally the list and the entire list of the of the releases of the month and send it out to his friends and we'd be like this is the most useful fucking email and no we wouldn't do it i stopped

doing it and said can you do it for a bit i went yeah it's easy and it was incredibly hard and no we aren't even going to look at steam yeah but i know i i've i've seen people like not necessarily to us saying stuff like where do you even find out that games are coming out and it's like yeah you have to get the book follow you have to know for fuck's sake i learned yesterday yesterday that blood born and type zero in eternity are all coming out within 10 days of one another yeah what the fuck so i think i think you know some people would appreciate like a centralized just like here's what's going on yeah this is this is a video on the channel if you guys think that's super dumb it's mainly willy's idea so sure i because if you think it's super smart i came up with it yeah

oh yeah right if we're talking about the game and most likely means that at least one of us is interested in it so it also feeds it'll see the people going what's cool what's good what do you like yeah that's this is this is a kind of curated tool like the things that we are interested in yeah probably we're not going to talk about farming simulator 2015 i might i might never see never seen ever 360 no tell yeah that video is the best that video is the best uh what are we what are you guys looking at for two this week bio hazard revelations to me too i'm also gonna be playing more mozahar and i'll start major's mask i promise uh a cool person uh no what what just i'm just disputing they're fighting oh okay a cool person with uh an extra major's mask console got

in touch and i'm gonna buy it off of them you for a for a reasonable price for a reasonable markup no for a reasonable price oh i should yeah yes you should rip them off you should give them some tickets for our next podcast absolutely i hope it has a defect we can get a studio audience that would be dude i would love nothing more oh i think you do not have to be sick i would love nothing more honestly then people can throw tomatoes at us you that make for good audio mm-hmm ah well that's stuff whenever you want that's that's squirt mayo and pat don't oh you motherfucker you do it wait a minute you fucking bastards are getting so on my shit because i hate mayonnaise mayonnaise is disgusting and if you like mayonnaise that's fine but the fact that it is that your voice

is currently being turned down the volume is dropping that it is a de facto burger condiment is fucking horseshit the fact that i have to go to every fucking person going they go very near you don't poison my fucking dick ah Hey you you you