Castle Super Beast - SBFC 102: You'll Never Be Ready For DOG CON

Episode Date: July 21, 2015

We're back from Screw Attack Game Convention, and we now have opinions about Texas.  

And not one cowboy had the entire time. I didn't see one. Neither did the airport or the readings. Did you see four of those? Oh yeah. But they were just a little away from where you guys were. I saw a lot. I didn't see a single one.

But that doesn't matter. Airport hats are tourist hats. They might have been people going down to Calgary Stampede. Well here's the thing though. I've seen more in New York than I've seen in actual Texas. The only ones that were seen by any of us were in the airport. I think it's because when Texans leave Texas, that's when they put the hat out. I was just going to say, you think it's like how you're supposed to wear a Canadian pin

on your bag when you go to other countries to know that? That's to protect. So that people don't like. So that people give you homes to sleep in. And meals at night. I think while you're in Texas, you don't wear your cowboy hat because it's implied. It's a joke that everyone's in on. Also, it's possible you were in one of the cities that is not cowboy hat focused.

Are you suggesting that everyone's implied to be wearing your cowboy hat? I'm saying that if you were in Dallas, Texas. The absence of a cowboy hat is the implication of the presence of one. I said early on that if I go to Texas, I want everyone to be a character from Punch Out. And if they're not, then be gone. Be out. Your cowboy status is absolute. Here's the thing.

Go and stay go. We all have to realize that maybe that's not realistic. You're not going to get Punch Out characters, but you are probably going to get everyone this from King of the Hill. But we didn't get that. I didn't get that either. Hank doesn't wear a cowboy hat in King of the Hill. His boss does sometimes. Bob Strickland does wear a cowboy hat often.

The second thing about Texas is that it's ruled by two people. Sundowner, because he just shoots hot waves of air and he stands out as familiar. The angry son from Mario 3. Holy shit. Just grinning down on you. So the son is physically larger in Texas? Yes. It was hot and it was dry and the wind was hot.

There are no hot winds. Shot the hot wind at us. There were points where we felt attacks, but we actually felt them. You'd walk out and you'd get attacked. And what's weird is that when we came back here, I was attacked by wet, hot air. And I was like, give me a fucking break. You're walking outside and you're like, Adam, let me use the goddamn various suits. I think like a hot dry version of the Atwater wind tunnel.

I'm describing Magmore caverns. Okay, there you go. But there's moisture in the Magmore. There's a bit of moisture. That's foam dry. It's not as dry as Vegas was, but it's a little way drier than anything we get at. Than anything has a right to be. The cool thing about dry heat is that once you duck into the shade,

you're instantly back to normal. The heat doesn't follow you like bullshit humidity. When I got home last night, I got inside and it's like, okay, it's cooler now, but it's humid. I prefer the dry heat to the humid heat. This is the lesson. At least you don't get dry heat, butt ass. Canada's moist, man. To be fair, to be fair to Canada, we live on a fucking island.

Exactly, all of Canada is an island. But when you're not on the island, and you're either in the Rockies, the Plains... Like, you want to go... You want to get dry. You can go out west. You can go to California. Get the fucking Calgary and you dry all day. With minus 60 winters. With all the temperature talk out of the way,

the observation was made by my fiancé how the fuck was Bocano no eruption wearing flannel. He was wearing flannel? Over a T-shirt. And he was dry. There's fashion over eruption, my friends. You've got to represent your hipster trend no matter what the weather says. It was amazing. When I actually looked at it, I was like, how is he doing it? It's crazy.

When I used to get home in the winter with my chucks and it'd be soaked and my socks were soaked through, it was like, yeah, I earned it. You earned it. I wanted my shoes. You earned that credit that no one cares about. Someone did. He did. At some point, at least one person said,

you earned shoes or what have you. And that was worth it. No, but yeah, that's Dallas, Texas. It is a very, very dry hot place. But when screwtack game convention is happening, there's some cool stuff going on. Yes, definitely. Before we get into all that, what did you do while we were gone? Oh, really?

Yeah, absolutely. What you finally got fixed for PC users? So, every bug. Not everyone, but enough. The vast majority of busted quests, like, within an hour of playing it, I walked up to a Bandit camp and all the Bandits simultaneously exploded and I got the checkmark for it. So, everything went to the right. So, they may not have fixed the bug in which they explode, but they fixed the bug where

that gets wiped off the mat, where you get an experience. Unless you're on the consoles. If you're on the consoles, it fucked the frame rate up even more than it was before instead of fixing it, which is a huge fucking bug. Yo, that game's amazing. And the new movement is like, anyone actually touched that game at all at any point, right? I did, but I never booted it up. Shit, okay.

I played it for like an hour. Okay, so, Geralt or Jerry the Horse. Jerry the Horse. So, I'm on the Jerry the Horse band-legged now, because when I think back to how he used to control, he used to control like Jerry the Horse. Yeah. He had a more, like, you know, Assassin's Creed has a lot of inertia on your character. Yeah.

Like, maybe a third of a second's worth of inertia pushing forward. Give a big long stop animation. Yeah. Jerry had, like, four times that. Like, a full second of, I'm not gonna fucking move. Okay, now I'm gonna go into a sprint. It's like he has wheels on his feet, but no brakes. Yeah.

And his turning radius was also like, oh god, it was bad. It was like tank controls. Yeah, it was like tank controls, but unresponsive tank controls. Yeah. They finally just said fuck it, and like, now he just moves instantly, and you can do mini-circles, like, running around. So that's fixed. That's great.

That game's amazing. Holy shit. I hear it. And it fucking flies when you, like, I had gotten 15 hours in, and within, like, an afternoon, I already got all the way back up to where I was, because what I found out is that, say there's a quest in which you need to go find a guy who's missing. Go talk to the guy, and he's like, my brother, he was in the bath, he's missing all I'm so sad.

Ignore that. Get that up. Just go to where his brother is, and walk in and say hi. And he'll say, oh, cool, can you tell my brother that you found me, and then go to town, and immediately do the quest without all the in-between shit in the middle. Yeah. So it fucking flies. It goes super fast.

It's awesome. I played too much FF14, and got a shiny new sword. Who cares? How much is too much? Because that's a sign that you understand. Not as much as Monster Hunter. Oh, okay. Like, probably the worst moment was like me and the other guys who raid in that group

played for like six hours and beat a boss a bunch of times to get the weapons. Right. And it took six hours, and I came away from that thinking, like, not like, oh, that was a fucking waste of time for a big shiny sword. I came away from it thinking, like, wow, that was a lot faster if I had to make that in Monster Hunter. Yes, it was so. Like, fuck.

Like, there's shit I had to spend like 20 hours to make a pair of shoes. And it's not worth it. So worth it. Um, so there's that. I also, I've got back in a mod in New Vegas just to mod it. Yeah, we know that. We know. Oh, yeah.

We're aware. Everyone knows. Yeah, because people just look at, like, my steam playing. Hundreds of people became instantly aware. Yeah. That's weird. That's fucking weird. Yeah.

But, like, not even to play it. Like, just to, like, get, just to poke at it with mods and like get lures. Which is the worst anti-game ever. Don't pick at it. It's terrible. And I also watched the first two episodes of Dragon Ball Super. Which has anyone else got that? No.

Dude, it's great. It's Dragon Ball. It's fucking great. It's just Dragon Ball. There's only one problem with it. It's weird, because that was like 15 years ago. And in the show, it's like, uh, six months later. Yeah, that must be weird.

Like, and also, apparently, the movie with the Beerus, like, Battle of Gods. Apparently, that's, like, in the middle of this. I think, yeah, the two movies. Those two movies are actually part of the canon. It's Battle of Gods and Resurrection F. But, like, if Battle of Gods, like, later... Yeah, they're gonna be... Because Beerus is, like, introduced in episode one.

Yeah. And it's like, but I already saw him... Okay, fine. I believe the erotic Awakening of F. Okay, that's, that's... It's fucking great. You remember, like, 15 years ago, when Trunks and Vegeta had a little scrap? And, uh, he said, if you can be, if you can hit me, I'll take you to the amusement park.

And then Trunks touched him. Yeah, I saw that picture. And he just punches Trunks full in the fucking face. And he starts to cry. And he starts to cry. I'll take you. So they go to the amusement park. We have finally gotten there.

That's it. He took fucking Trunks to the amusement park in episode two. And there are all these amazing shots of Vegeta in, like, those little child trains with his arms just... Not having any... Not having it. Dude, it's the best! It's the best! I'm slight.

I can't believe how... Who wins between Goku and, and Goku and some men? Vegeta! Yeah. But even, but even before those things, uh, they always had those little Toriyama art things of, like, in between chapters, them in little cute cars anyway. Yeah, of course. Even though Vegeta wasn't having it.

So, now it's super Ken. Well, what a consistent not having it. Yeah. He knows what he likes and he knows what he doesn't. Uh, the only other thing to say about Super is, holy fuck, I hate the Japanese voice acting. I hate it so much. Well, certain characters are like, I can't hear it. Vegeta is fine.

Yeah, Vegeta is fine. Goku is fine. Perkul is great because it's the same guy as Joseph Jostoff. Everyone else is... I don't even hear it because it's Dragon Ball. Everyone else is terrible. I can't, like, I don't hear it. It's just, that's all I've heard from my entire life.

Oh, you never watch The Dubs? I watch both. Oh, okay. But I've seen so much of both that I just, like, I don't even know how to comment on it. Like, uh, Gohan and Videl's voices, like, assessment. Well, I remember back in the day when I was watching, like, the Saiyan saga dubbed and then a friend from high school brought over a battle versus metal cooler movie with me not knowing that that was a thing. Right. And I heard the Japanese voice acting and I said, who ruined this?

Who decided to take the words? Why did they ruin this American cartoon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I want to make it super clear, like, Goku's not my problem. I think Goku's voice is great. I think Vegeta's is great. I think a lot of the main characters are fine. All the tertiary ones, like, King Kai sounds like shit.

Okay, there's a reason for that, though. The reason why King Kai doesn't sound great is because it's the same guy from the old thing, except now that guy is in his 80s. Yeah. And, like, they're just getting into it. It sounds like shit. But the thing is, it's out of respect type of thing. So you hire a new actor. They don't do that.

He's retired. Kill him. They kill him. They don't do that. And get a new actor. How many grandmas have they gone through? Dragon Ball. At least two.

Dragon Ball is not going to upset the balance of keeping Saiyan around. Yeah, probably. Gohan and Videl, this is like, oh, fuck. The reason why Videl's voice bothers me so much is because the tone and the sound of that voice, compared to the dub, it completely changes what her character is. So in the dub, she was, like, spunky and also, like, the partner of a great Saiyan man. And, like, that kind of, like, almost Makoto-esque thing in English. Yeah. In Japanese, it is, like, she is now full on, like, housewife, like, obedient, like, demure, like Japanese voice actors.

And it's just, like, no, that's fucking lame. That was the whole reason. Don't settle down. That's not what you wanted. Lame as fuck. I mean, like, Chichi is, like, you know, a housewife, but she beats the shit out of you. Dude, Chichi's the best. She's abusive.

You gotta do your homework on Chichi. We'll kick my ass. Whatever, husband. Make some fucking money. Oh, you did? Okay, fuck off to space or whatever. And it's like, and it's like, Chichi is, like, the most, like... She gets the money bags in her eyes.

She's a gold digger, but for her children. She is the most, like, hard-edge, like, racial, Asian, stereotypical mom ever. Ever. She wants all that cash so that her kids can get good tools. Yeah, exactly. Hey, pianos ain't cheap. Ugh. Ugh.

I don't get that marriage. She used to be a Viking. But she was, like, marrying you. Oh, shit. She doesn't get the marriage either. What? Do they? How did they make kids?

They don't understand marriage. All she does is yell all day, and all he wants to do is to push the contest. If you want, there's lots of fan art online to show you how they make kids. Like, there is a top-gun level of homoerotic relationship between Vegeta and Goku, and nothing between Goku and his own wife. No. There's not that much. He's had it done.

He's had it done. I'll do more sweaty push-ups than you. Yeah, but separately. Before that, it wasn't Piccolo, and before that, it was with fucking Yamcha. Yeah. That's how that goes, man. Also, I don't get any marriages in D.B.Z. Why does Bulma put up with Vegeta's bullshit?

None of them really makes sense. Is he just super hot? I don't remember. Of course they are. They're super married. When did that happen? In the time zone. Yeah.

That's why I never saw it. Yeah. And Krillin and... They're all married. Krillin and 18. No, no. I know Krillin and 18, but I just missed the episode where they actually said, because woman all the time, not wife.

Yeah. Krillin and 18 are the only, like, they're happily married, and they're like, oh, this would have been a giant cast of characters, and then one time had to pass. We need children. They started pairing them up. Yeah. Right? It's Mortal Kombat.

Yeah. Now, Hercules, like, stuck with Boo. Hercules the best. Yeah. Probably enough, I sat next to, or Willie and I sat next to the English voice actor for Mr. Satan Slash Hercules at a panel over the weekend, which was weird. He swore a lot. Yeah.

He didn't have a voice or anything. Mr. Satan would swear a lot. He would swear a lot, yeah. I guess, like, when I think about it, Videl and Gohan is probably the most normal, understandable relationship. Yeah. They're teenagers, and they're like... But otherwise, you can just have a bunch of kids, like, fucking, oh, yeah, hey, you've

got to find some girl to be Jotaro's wife. Who is it? Off camera? Don't worry about it. Let's just take this part. Yeah. You know what I wouldn't mind? It's a dolphin.

A series that cuts out... Pretty much. Took you a minute. Took you a minute. I wouldn't mind a series that cuts out the boring fighting, and just shows us the at-home stuff only. Yeah, that'd be nice. Like, the days of D-Lives.

Yeah, no, just created a new, like, Kenshiro-style badass, but it's like, after his adventure is over, he's got to go settle down. I wanted a J-drama, but with DBZ characters. You think it's awkward for Android 18 and Krillin considering she killed him in an alternate time? No, the answer is yes. If you say, do you think it's awkward if Krillin and 18, the answer is always yes. Yeah.

That's true. Anyway, well, I guess if we're doing a non-SGC-related stuff, we should just do our exclusive thing. Yeah, well, I'll mention that on the way to when I read through Matt Fraction. Matt Fraction's Hawkeye book, and it was recommended for good reason. It's a damn good book. Matt Fraction's a good writer. Does it have a lot of numbers in it? I'm sorry.

It's a really interesting, it's an interesting take on Hawkeye, a normal guy, living in- What was that cool thing about his dog? There's a chapter where his dog is the main character, and it doesn't think with words, it thinks with icons. Of course. And it's the dog basically observing the story around him. That's awesome. It's really fun.

I borrowed that when you're done. Absolutely. Yeah, you can totally take that. It's really, really solid. And just to nail home how interesting it is when you see these recommended one-offs and things like that, there's an included issue at the end of, what's her name, the girl Hawkeye. That's part of Young Avengers.

I forgot her name. I forgot her name as well. But they hang out throughout the entire make of the book, and then they include an issue of just a normal thing of Young Avengers, where she goes off and is part of that team for a bit. And you read it, and you're like, okay, this is just a normal comic book. And not only is the art just normal comic book, less interesting kind of style there, but you can just see when it's like this is written by not somebody who had an idea.

It's just like- Jesus Christ. How have you turned on Sir? I'm trying to turn my phone on a silent, and it's yelling at me in response. Much like fighting games, you pause the podcast so you are ejected. You lose that random. I lose that random. I think what happened is it thought, well, they said, okay, Google.

Yeah, maybe. No, but anyway, I'm sorry, it's just like the stuff that I often recommend for people to check out and whatnot, the stuff that we always hear to check out as well, are like, this guy did a run for six issues, and it's collected in this trade. Go check it out. And if you grab something randomly off the shelf at any given time, it's going to be a mess, usually possibly a mess, especially if it's like a writer that was just kind of given this character to do something with, and it wasn't a person.

Versus a writer that says, I want to do this guy. So it's an interesting contrast with just like, oh, wow, okay, this is a not great read. And this is what I remember a lot of random comments I used to grab back in the day being. But nowadays, if you decide to kind of be selective with your choice and just pick up dedicated products, that's not a bad way to do stories. This is current Batman, and someone said, this writer and this artist, read that. No. It's been really good so far.

And it just, I know, and I feel, you know, if I take that shit for this, I'm sure, but I feel like the selective reading is a solid way to go through and get the best quality stories out, because there's definitely a lot of like- Well, because you don't subject yourself to the mediocre stuff. The mediocre stuff. It's not terrible. It's not knowing. It's really just nothing special at all.

Sometimes like the nature of like anything is that most of it will not be good for any medium content, item, food, et cetera. And like more than the art style and the events, I think the tone shift is one that like really words you out, because Hawkeye goes from, you know, in most of the book being like the normal kind of like, oh jeez, I don't have powers, what the fuck, how do I do this type of guy? Right? This looks bad.

What am I doing? I'm talking like a superhero, talking like an Avenger with bold in his text bubbles, you know what I mean? And being like, this is what the future, and it's just like, I would much rather read the quirky adventures of Hawke-Dude. Hawkeye the Shlub? Yeah, or Hawke-Guy, because people are not saying his name properly. They call him Hawkeye?

There's a guy that calls him Hawkeye, and he's like, no, Hawkeye. Yeah, that's what I said, Hawkeye. That's so solid, because it cuts to the core. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It cuts to the core of the character, like you're just whatever, you're just guy, right? Isn't that a DC character? Hawkman. Yeah, whatever.

Well, you asked the question, I answered it, I don't know what you wanted. I don't know what I wanted either. That dog that you mentioned, it's like when he gets the dog, like there's a name tag on it too, and he looks at it and is like, oh, what's the dog's name? Hawkeye's super not a DC character. Hawkeye? You think it was Green Arrow? No, the hot thing in Hawke-Man, it's got a mace.

Hawke-Man. I didn't hear what you said, sorry, I thought you were talking to me. Hawkeye's a Marvel character. No, that's what I... And he asked, doesn't DC have a guy that is hot of their own? And it's like, no, it's Hawke-Man. No, that's Hawke-Man. He lives on Hawke-Man.

That's the whole point. Birdman. Harvey Birdman. Yes. You say Hannah Barbera character though, right? Uh, so the... Something like that. What's your name?

Uh... Dog. What's the name tag? The dog, he finds it, he looks at the name tag, and the name is Arrow, and he goes, I'll get something there. So it's really fun. Yeah. It should be missile.

Yeah, you just see fucking his face. Who's writing this? That's pretty funny. That's it, you know. So... Oh, okay. Well, jumping off the back of that, I had time to read, you know, with our flight to the Texas.

I also read Thor, Goddess of Thunder, which is written by one of my favorite writers, Jason Aaron, who did that really incredible run on Punisher and stuff, and this is the one where it's like, female Thor out of nowhere, who is it? Okay, that's what I was just going to ask you, who is female? In that volume, it doesn't say. It's a spoiler. Oh, I wouldn't expect that to be page one. Because a lot of it is, she's like, I can't let anyone know who I am right now.

I don't even know if I can do this. Not even Thor himself, you know. So right now, she's just being Thor. She's just being a damn awesome Thor. Because most of the time, people see her, they go, oh, where do you like Lady Thunderstrike, or Spider-Man says, are you Thorita? And she's like, no, I'm actually Thor. And everyone's like, why?

Because Thor is not worthy to hold the hammer anymore. Now, this is the mysterious thing. Nick Fury, at some point, whispered something into Thor's ear. And that made him unworthy. And that made him unworthy. And that's another mystery that's not solved. That's weird. That's what Nick Fury has.

Yeah, yeah. He's got information. So a lot of people are like, I want to tell you something, and you will lose your superpower. A lot of people ask Thor what did Nick Fury tells you, and he goes, I don't want to talk about it. So it's a really, really good comic. I really enjoyed it. And at the end, there's this really funny moment where Thor is like, who the fuck is this new Thor? And he kind of accepts her, like, yo, you're totally worthy.

And he just writes a little list to himself of possible names. He's like, is it my mom? Is it Lady Sim? And at the very end, Loki? It's pretty funny. Thor is actually like, the one person that was kind of weird is that in the movies, Anthony Hopkins as Odin is kind of like, you know, a little gruff here and there, a little like pissy here and there. And this, he's kind of like, oh god, he's just a villain in this thing.

And every time he come up, I'm like, oh, fuck off. Well, remember that Odin is neutral. Oh, and this is not. He's super negative. He doesn't give a shit about anything. Well, not giving a shit about anything seems pretty neutral. Well, give a shit about anything like, let them die, even though I promised I'd save them. Yeah, that's neutral.

No, it's not, because you made a promise. If you made a promise, that's not neutral. Keeping promises is good. Yes. Yes, it is good. But breaking promises is not. Well, what if you just forgot, though? He did it.

He literally had it for the longest time ever. I really want to borrow it from you, actually. I had meant to read it in the plane. If you broke it in self-interest. Yeah. So this is an Odin that you can look at and be like, okay, maybe Loki's not so insane. Yeah, Loki's not even shown in the comics. I don't know what this comic book version.

I've never read a Thor comic before. I've read one or two issues when I was a kid, but this I really enjoyed. Even if you look at Anthony Hopkins in the movies and going like, yeah, okay, you're like a fatherly figure. But everyone did it on everyone with everything. But everyone else in the comic book is some approximation to the movies, where I'm like, Oh, this is how gods do. You know, and Ben Odin was like the one sort of thing where I was like, oh, he's kind

of a meanie asshole, meanie zucchini. Get the fuck off with his paws. The other thing I read was the second volume of All New Ghost Rider, which has a completely different artist. You saw the art of All New Ghost Rider. I did. I think now it's just called Ghost Rider, but the second volume is a different artist where the art is like graffiti, where everyone has these exaggerated proportions.

Cool stuff. I didn't like it as much, but it was still a solid comic. I really like it's weird that it's it's a story about the new Ghost Rider and his love for like his slightly disabled brother. And he's just like everything for him. All the money I get from racing, put it to him, give him comic books, give him chili dogs, whatever he wants, and the kids super hyped all the time. And then kids in the neighborhood that saw Ghost Rider fight in the first volume, no

one can decide whether he's the robot racer or skeleton driver. They don't know which one it is. No, he's a robot. No, he's a skeleton idiot. Is he like cheating because he can just race as fast as he want because he's like unbreakable. No, he's using an advantage, but he can't. He's not doing things that are super human. No one's really getting there.

You're like, damn it. Does it matter if he crashes? No, it does matter. Oh, okay. Like if he if he dies, he dies. Okay. So wait, when he's super tough, when he's not in Ghost Rider form, he's just a regular guy.

It's kind of unclear. Only as strong as Nick Cage punches and he has like band-aids and shit when he takes a beating. But if he gets a beating in Ghost Rider form, then I guess they draw him like Nick Cage. No, no, he's very different. But Nick Cage actually shows up. Yes. He's not taking corners like Karras and shooting his chains out to help him turn.

No, he's not. He's not doing that. When he's fighting, he does it like that. So what you're saying is that you can use your superhero advantages and it's fair as long as you don't get caught. No. Don't use them. But he's still super human in other respects.

And I didn't finish it yet, but people are asking, are you reading Marvel Now She-Hulk? And yes, I am. Marvel Now She-Hulk is amazing. I haven't finished reading it, but it's so funny. It's so weird. It feels like a comic strip in an extended form and not like every panel is like a funny little self-contained joke almost. It's really hilarious and like it's such a weird take on there.

Do you remember that line I said there's this woman that She-Hulk meets early on that's like, She-Hulk goes, thanks for letting me rent out this office space. I really need it for my new practice. And she goes, ah, yeah, we have lots of superhero types here. She's like, really? It's like, yeah. Isn't the insurance here skyrocketing? It's like, yeah, well, after the M event, which Scarlet Witch, you know.

Oh, you're reading the book that I talked about a couple months ago. Yeah. The one that a comic book girl 19. Yeah. Okay. Because I'm like, this rings a bell. Yes. Yeah.

And she goes, well, I used to be a mutant like, you know, Storm and she goes, yeah. Well, I was kind of like drizzle. Yeah. I just had the most basic weather powers, but now I don't have them anymore. So I know how tough it is having powers and not being able to get an apartment. So this place is all supers. That's such a great like low level concern. Yeah, I know.

I know. But that's why it's great because all this comic is is low level concerns. Yeah. That's what I was talking about. Like her client is Dr. Doom's bratty kid. Yeah. Yeah. I just got to that part.

Fuck this. Yeah. I don't want to take over your stupid country. This reminds me. So the Punisher is coming onto the Daredevil, right? Everyone has been talking about Jessica Jones for like a year and I have no idea who that character is. Super tough.

So I decided to look it up. Curious fire. That that character is awesome. Superhero that became was not good at it and decided to start up like a private eye. That's the best. Like most underrated and like will probably be popular once people like once the cinematic stuff comes out. Yeah.

The Luke Cage iron fist and like all that. The defenders. Yeah. Levels. Street levels. Yeah. No. I want to go.

It's super cool. Street levels. Great. Let's go lower than street level. Let's go more. Let's go sewer level heroes. Like the story of the warlocks that tried to be heroes. They tried to save Christmas.

But fuck it up so bad every time they have to run back to the sewers. Like there's a moment in the fucking warlock. He goes on his normal dude and beats up a bunch of like like thug types for completely unrelated reasons for them being thugs. Eventually the cops come in and stop him. They're just like guys I'm an Avenger. Come on. Like what the fuck are you like I'm Hawkeye.

Like what? Are you iron fist? Is he iron fist? You know it's like no. Get in the fucking car. Right. And the last real rule of things is that we all, me, William, and William saw it. We saw Ant-Man.

Ant-Man's great. Go see Ant-Man. Is that out for normal people? Yeah. Right now? The last 45 minutes is probably the greatest 45 minutes in Marvel movies in general. I don't think people are going to watch this because everyone thinks it's not good. There was a guy who tweeted me and said the trailer looked poopy.

Guess what? The trailer is kind of poopy. It didn't do a good job. And people are actually just like... Like poopy butt. But the movie's fantastic. I told Liam's second lowest opening of a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie. And what was it above?

Incredible Hulk with Edward Norton. Like wow. Like it's super painful that no one's talking about it because no one's got to see it. But it's like this is... There's two reasons. Liam's right. The trailer is poopy. And the second thing is it's Ant-Man.

It's not Iron Man. It's not half. After seeing it, I want to read Ant-Man. Because it's warm. Oh yeah. Plus Edgar Wright's writing is in there. Yeah. So feel it.

There's some strong jokes. So he gets small and he punches dudes. No he gets small and then big and punches dudes. Oh okay. And I feel that it's my favorite part of Phase 2. Yeah. And it's like when you put that up to Guardians, you put that up to catch cool stuff. Oh wow.

It's fucking Guardians. This is amazing. Dude, it's good but no one's given it a chance. They just threw it there. Really? I'll give it a chance. You better. I will.

Yeah it was pretty good. That's why God's alone on PS4. For people actually asking what you didn't really say, the game is like to me like a seven. Like a hard seven. It's a much more competent earth defense force. Because a lot of people are like some reviews are just like broken. I'm like what?

It's just broken two out of ten or whatever. They played that game for like 19 minutes. It didn't look broken at all. One thing it is and it's buggy. Yeah. It's not buggy. Like fucking Batman Arkham Knight on PC is worse. Which is why it's a worse experience.

That's okay. You just set the bar for that like the lowest anyone could possibly set it. Yeah but that's still got like you know. Which is why I was commenting that it's like when someone reviews a Godzilla game it goes this is slow and clunky and I'm just thinking like Godzilla is supposed to be. Yeah. Maybe they just. I'd give it like as a game like seven as like just Godzilla fan service.

Like I'd give it like an eight or a nine just because it's got so much shit. That's absurd. I played a bunch more of it. I'm going to play because I still never got to Jet Jaguar. Liam found me the Jet Jaguar trailer where he's just doing a point. Yeah. That hit. It's great.

He just points at you. It's like K's thumbs down. Yeah. Yeah. I was on the internet who played for like 20 something hours and you never saw Bio Lanty. And that's his one kaiju that's left. So like yeah people are playing it a lot and missing one because of the random. RNG.

You know. It's your friend. So that's all my exclusive non fucking SGC stuff. I also like I forgot to mention but like because we all did and I'll come out later. I watched a bunch of I watched Top 8 of Evo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But that's later. Yeah. Anything? Yeah. On the plane I read the first two volumes of Rat Queens. The comic that was mentioned last night. Say rat or rag? Rat.

Okay. Queens. It's a it's about a small I guess guild of group of mercenaries. And D&D band. Okay. Effectively an all female D&D party. Okay. Okay.

Where the characters are kind of written to break tropes like. This is a book. This is a comic book. To break traditions rather. It's two volumes of a comic book. Okay. Yeah. Like one of the characters is an atheist cleric.

Okay. You know that kind of stuff right. Where she's questioning her beliefs right. Yeah. You lose your powers in D&D if you do that. Except here she does it and everyone's like but how. Yeah. But how exactly.

So that's what's cool. That's a really interesting concept in D&D. Yeah. They do it. They do address that specifically actually pretty early on. Yeah. I really felt like the first book kind of wasn't that good. It doesn't get to the plot like the whole first trade.

There's no core plot in it. No. The first trade is a lot of just establishing characters and jokes. Yeah. And most of the character establishments is just like oh I'm a girl. Let's have sex. Let's have drugs. And that's it.

Yeah. But that's like the whole party. Except for the cleric girl. And like I didn't feel like they were very special. They were just like yeah I'm a party. And I was like oh. But I think that's fine. I mean if you read like.

Sounds like Long Hurrah. Well if you read or Transmetropolitan is a good example of like let's just be debaucherous. But then again eventually gets a radical plot. I really need to read that. But it's actually like genius in the way it sort of handles it. Well. In this case I kind of felt that it was like it was just establishing the characters for what it was.

And it was establishing the fact that I think the tone of the story is going to like. No. I was going to say it was fine. But then it gets to the first character arc. And the first character arc is good. And I think the character arcs that are starting up are going to be good. And they like tease the main character's character arc. Which I'm really excited about.

Because it looks really really cool. Yeah. The Mrs. Reddit. When you passed it to her. She really enjoyed it. Yeah. No. It's really enjoyable.

One thing I really didn't like. I showed it to you. There's some crazy variations in the quality of the art. Like the art never gets amazing. The artist is solid. He's good enough to get published and stuff. But there are bits where he is clearly skimping and not like not taking a second look at his art.

And maybe his editor is not picking up the slack either. Because there are some. I don't think it's she. But. Oh. Either way. The artist. I'm pretty sure it's guys.

Who write it. Honestly. Unless you use the problem. But sometimes an anchor will change for a few pages. And that'll actually wreck things. No. No. But in the sample that he showed me was like.

I showed you a few. Yeah. One page. Like of. Characters lost details. Lost details on her like her costume. There was like missing straps. And like.

She has a corset. Right. And it's got this big obvious like string thing holding the middle together like a corset right. And the lace or whatever it's called you know. And there's a shot that's fairly close up in the next panel on the same page where the those. It's just missing.

And the corsets there. There's only two things. And it's not a low. Okay. And it's not a low detail thing. Like when a character is in the distance. And they don't draw. She was right up close.

And this happens. Only two things you're about to skimp on. In drawing. You can skimp on Spider-Man's webbing on his. On his. On his costume. And chains. They don't have to be perfect.

They can be sloppy. I don't care. Those are the two things. Those are the two things. I didn't know that this is a pain in the fucking ass. And like fucking webbing is always going to get the worst. Yeah. Oh for sure.

And a character with complex lines all over their entire fucking body. And there's a bit later where. That's why Scarlet Spider was designed like that. Yeah. The drop. Just get your sharpie out. And there's a bit later where the artist has really sloppy line work too. And that's like that's a total faux pas if you're doing comics.

Like especially when it looks vastly different from how it looked two pages before. Slop it up. Like the art quality is really, really all over the place. Although the colorist did a pretty solid one. Oh yeah. The colors are fine. Yeah. No colors are fine.

Especially like when like the more magical things start happening more frequently. Yeah. A lot of spells being cast. I thought they did a really good job with that. Yeah. No for sure. It does look really good. Just the line work.

It was like sloppy. That's all. And the other thing I started reading was I started reading Armada by Ernest Klein. He did Ready Player One of course. Yeah. And one of the things that I think a lot of people might have been hesitant about in Ready Player One is the amount of like, hey look at this nerd culture. And it's not just 80s culture like some people will point out.

It's nerd culture. You know, if you think of the final battle in that, well I'm not going to spoil it, but the final battle, the things that are fighting in that battle. He's pretty clearly talking about nerd culture the whole way through the book. Very rich, unapologetically. Yeah, exactly. And it was to a point where I was kind of like eh in Ready Player One. But the quality of the plot and the universe was good enough that I was like, yeah, this

is a really fun read. The first chapter in Armada must have like 15 or 16 different bits of pop culture labeled and named in the first chapter. There you go. The first like 20 pages and it's like, oh my god, are you really going to do this again? Are you doing it again? In the first chapter, two characters argue about what's the better legendary weapon, Sting or Mjolnir.

And the main character, the main character has- You feel real? It's Mjolnir for sure. And the main character has that same thought like the main character would in Ready Player One where he's like, well personally, I would have said Excalibur from the movie Excalibur. Oh fuck off! I'm on top! And it's like, is this the same character as Wade?

Because he's not fat, but a lot of the other stuff is similar and there's a tough guy in his high school class and he goes to bring the tough guy down a peg and oh it turns out he'd want to fight with the tough guy a year before because he's so much better. So he's a super nerd and he's also a winner and he just doesn't have a good family life, but he can overcome it. And it's only been one chapter, so I'm going to read more. Yeah, are you saying it feels like self-insert pornography? It feels like a total retread so far.

With the exception of The World, which just seems to be regular old Oregon, it seems like a retread. When I was discussing Ready Player One, the problem I had with it, if you recall, is the fact that they went over the top with just these pop culture arguments and references where it was like, this is artist insert Wikipedia articles. And a lot of them were not even necessarily good obscure, it was just like entry level knowledge. Entry level knowledge being treated as if it's like, whoa, how did he know that?

No, exactly. You know those bits where Ernest Klein would write a list of stuff? The first chapter, there's a list of musicians like ZZ Top and Ozzy Osbourne and stuff. Actually, there's two different references to Ozzy Osbourne in the first chapter. That one gets better when it gets moving and focuses on its own world. When the plot gets going, it's really fun, Ready Player One. Because then it's just telling you about the world itself and creating its own lore and not relying on our pop culture.

So I'm going to keep reading it. I hope it gets to the bit where the own world comes into its own, but right now it feels like a bit of a retread. Again, only read the first chapter so far, but I'm keen. And the other thing, I'm playing God of War II. Fuck, the set pieces in that game are fantastic. Did I? Well, the reason I asked is because last week you came in here and held up a copy of God

of War III Remastered. Yeah, for when I finished two. Oh, okay. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to finish two, and then I'm going to do three, and then I'm going to do those first part. Two is probably the best of those games. Maybe.

I said to him, my only problem, literally my only problem with two is the amount of fucking burying Greek heroes. Almost every single boss is a Greek hero that's like, oh, geez, Kratos, you're so cool. I liked when you were listing them off. And then you just kill them. I liked when you were listing them off, and your girlfriend who knows that shit like back to front was just systematically pointing out how they're all assholes. You do know that all these Greek heroes like threw their wives into dungeons or whatever.

And you're like, don't correct me. Oh yeah, no, but it didn't matter. And I was like, no, but don't correct me. It's made my school taught me that they're heroes, whether or not I weren't means, man. They're Greek heroes, which means something different. But I'm having a lot of fun with it. They can't afford it. They can't afford to be here.

The Vita port's really good. Surprisingly, it runs better than the first one. I guess they just put more attention to it. The second game did run better than the first one. Oh yeah, on PS2. Here even? Yeah, because that's why they were able to get that weird, not quite HD mode on PS2. Yeah, I remember that.

Anyway, I'm really enjoying it, so I'm excited to get onto three. I feel like all three of those games have a really fucked up problem, and that is the first level is the best part of every single one of those games. The opening? Yeah, the Hydra fight, and the Colossus fight, and the fight with Neptune, or Slash Beside. All three of those are like the best parts of those games. I found the beginning with, what's this face with the fire? Prometheus.

The beginning with Prometheus, after the opening, was a bit slow, but then it's been picking up a lot. I just got the Golden Fleece, so I'm a little ways in, maybe halfway or something. But yeah, I'm really enjoying it. And my Whispering Willows save file just gave up the ghost and said, fuck you, corrupted. So I'm going to have to replay that game. Which one? Oh, it's an indie game.

Oh, that sucks man. I want to mention it now. Did you play any game that may or may not have involved a Velociraptor? Yeah. Okay. I want to say anything about it? No, we'll play that close to our hearts. Okay.

I saw him play a silly, silly game. It was silly. Yeah, we'll probably look at that or something. Okay, let's sing a quick word from our sponsors, and then we'll be back with SGC Talk. Okay. Today's episode is brought to us once again by the good ol' boys at Casper Mattresses. The good ol' boys. Yeah.

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Dog con. Dog con. Dog con. Dog con. Dog con. Dog con's the best. Was the dog con next door? No.

We went to SGC. You're at SGC. So at SGC we... Don't tell me about dog con. What the fuck is going on? We can't tell anybody about dog con. Oh no. It's one of those.

Dog con's way cool. We'll never find out what this joke is. No one's prepared for dog con. Ah shit. Yeah, we had our panel. That one. Good. Good people like to have some little footballs at the start.

Yeah, so like 30 minutes into the panel we all get a little quiet. Like we all stop talking for some reason. Okay, hold on. Hold on. So let me piece this out, right? You tell me what you think happened. No, I want to start with the first bit. Okay, go ahead.

There's something that happened right before. So 30 minutes into the panel we all get a little bit quiet and we start hearing the dulcet. That's it? Well, okay. Good luck guessing that one. So what really happened, we went and set up and as we usually do on our panels, we have the things going off my laptop to the projector.

Yeah. So. Any bets on what? What do you think could have possibly happened live on stage? With Woolie's computer being used. With my computer plugged in. Oh. To present.

That's too big of a party. I don't play these games with zero information. After about 30 minutes we heard the sultry tones of Ultra David. Oh, you motherfucker. We all realized that the Evo stream had been playing in the background the whole time and that was that dull noise we were hearing, was the Evo stream playing. I would rather listen to Ultra David than us to be there. Everyone loved that.

One team came on and was like, oh, shit, okay. So Woolie closed it and made sure his internet was all secure and we were all good to keep going. Was that intentional and did you just happen to leave it on? It just happened to leave it on. Guess what? A tab was left on. And then about 10 minutes later it was, we were ruined again by the pop-up notification

Angriest Pat is now playing Fallout New Vegas. That's how. Okay. That's how. As everyone, hundreds of people simultaneously exploding. It's great. In laughter at that. That's pretty fucking good.

I remember people had been able, they knew my Steam ID or whatever. So they knew when we would be playing Dark Souls, for example. And I assumed that's why I got so many Twitter messages about me playing New Vegas. That's way better. That's way better. The timing was impeccable. Yeah, exactly. It was a good spot.

Yeah. We also, during the panel, we premiered like a little snippet of a video for an upcoming event. And unlike Bethesda, you guys will only have to wait like about two weeks to see what exactly happened. What? But you're still not good enough. Only two weeks.

Yeah, but you're good enough to shoot. No, Matt. We don't do this. Are we still not announcing? Are we still holding off? Keep kicking. Yeah. Yeah.

Why are we like this? I don't understand. I don't. At one point we spoke with somebody in the business and they're like, why don't you announce anything? What? It surprises me. How are people supposed to know it?

You know what? I'll one-up it. You people will know in like five days because I'm going to put out an announcement trailer if that's okay. Oh, that's all right, I guess. It's currently 4.30 on July 20th. That got a raucous reception and I was really happy for it. Well, you worked really, really hard on it.

Which clip did you show? From an indie game that we played. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So fuck that. The first night that we got there, we got on a bus to head over to like a special VIP party.

VIP party at the national video game. I don't know if it's the national one. It's what it said. Really? We got to enjoy a trip that eventually turned off onto a dirt road. Nice. To actual darkness. Darkness.

No. No street lights on the road. Nothing but fields and farm. And there's a part of you inside that is just thinking, there's a possibility here. This is where we're just going to go to a ditch and just all get lined up and shot. Or isn't that because we started driving by grain silos. Oh, no. And I go, okay.

So is Jeepers Creepers going to happen on this bus? Is Leatherface going to stay? You've got to hide tons of bodies in there. Now the bus driver? Yeah. It's weird because like on the bus, I was completely unfazed by it. I was just looking out and I was like, this is nice. And then after I got out and everyone was like, it's like a horror movie.

And I'm like, oh, because I'm just used to that. But like, oh, it's true. No. If there was a streetlight, then I would have been like, yeah, okay, we're out in the sticks. But there was no streetlights. Eventually the SGC guy was, I could see him arguing with the bus driver and frantically waving their phones around. So after like, nice, this, this was Uber estimated, this would be an eight minute ride.

And as soon as we got out of the hotel with some friends like Bocano interruption, some other people, we were like, oh, an eight minute ride. But then they said, hey, VIPs get on this bus. We're a wolf free ride. And then after 20 minutes of these dirt road killing fields that were going on, you eventually came up to the front of the bus and said, okay, now we're on our way. And they went back the way they came back to the same store as we saw. And it was literally eight minutes away, but we took this detour.

That's not even a detour, man. We got there and we met up with lots of people over the course of the weekend. Shout outs to new friends and old, uh, Mega 64, like, cool or cool guys. They're great. You know, then, then they were glad that you were able to confirm that for everyone. Yes, they're aware of our existence. Yeah, well, we always knew that Rocco was at least Rocco was cool because he helped talk mad shit about you that year on like no notice at all.

Yeah, just just the walk by. You Rocco, we need you to talk mess about a guy. Cool. Who named gate. Got it. Got it. Yeah, now, now like, now like our, our, our girth is hitting their mild peripherals type of things.

Yeah, they can see some of the rolls. You want to restripe you. That's some of the rolls. That's uncomfortable only phrase. Um, I, I got to, uh, have a nice talk with Jim Sterling and I got to finally unload the fact that, uh, the vanquishing, you know, no, no, no, no, no, he. Why didn't you talk about Kid Icarus uprising? Not even pressing details that need it to be covered.

Yeah. So it's like that he posted my dumb face on destructoid. Oh, yeah. The Marvel story went out. Did he recognize you? Uh, yeah, he said, oh, yeah, I kind of remember that story. And I was like, yeah, you know, and whatnot. And that kind of made this rounds.

And from there, we just got into actual proper video game discussion. He's a fucking cool guy. He's super just show down to hang out. He's like, he's like, he was like, he got into the costume to go to his panel and stuff. And he was just kind of feeling a little bit of jitters, a little bit nervous and whatnot. And, uh, it was Takahata myself, Gaijin Goomba, and a couple other people, you know, just kind of chatting and like, and, and, uh, we kind of said a few things to Jim and we're talking about, and he's like, pull up a chair and sit down.

You know, like he's like an interesting conversation and like just kind of sat around for a while. And that was really cool. Uh, we got to talk to John St. John. I got, yeah, I, John St. John. And I also got to talk to me and Liam got to talk to Paul Aedians, the vice president of Gearbox, because I didn't know that he also does the voice of Claptrap. So, so we talked to them for a while. John St. John is probably one of the most approachable, like good nature.

Like, Hey, yeah, anything you want. Like, sure. How many lines of dialogue did you record for best? Well, I don't know, but I got to record some lines of dialogue for something else. John St. John feels like your favorite uncle. Oh, yeah. He's super chill, man. Like, and when we, um, like when we first initially met him, was that like at that party thing?

And then later on throughout the weekend, that's, I saw him like two, three more times. What's the most amazing thing about it? The fact that every time you saw me, he's like, Oh, hey, Willie, how's it going, man? Remember, I'm like, whoa, wait, I'm not, no, you, I don't fucking remember your name. That's appreciative. It's really hard to do that when you meet 40 new people in a single. Exactly. So like, I'm fucking floored by that dude is super awesome.

Also general big ups to the SGC VIP room, which was just for us to hang back really nice room with game setups, a streaming station, lots of food available all times, like cool as well, like temperature wise, and just people come in by to talk to. Yeah. And that's, that's, we ran in. That's where we ran into a mega 64 and they, they, we, we did something with them and that was really fun. And just the much Macaulay too, like while we're talking about John, the roast, the

roast of John St. John was quite an event. Refreshingly crass. Just so harsh and brutal and everything that I love about comedy. And Takahata got in there. He got it. He was. Takahata. I wouldn't say he was actually the star of the show.

It's still John St. John, but he, but he was the showstopper. He delivered the bomb of them, not the bomb, but he delivered the joke of the night, in my opinion, and like followed it up with a legend killer pose. Yeah. He already beautiful. It was great. I, I, I, after he started doing it, I was, I was just full of my own pleasure.

I was pointing at him going, cause like I drank something, but I was like, oh, look, he's doing it. I look at Rooling. Rooling. He's like, oh, he's like, he's like, he's like, so John St. John's had three marriages. He's been through three and like, I don't know about you, but when you put that together, it's like John St.

John has had more failed relationships with women than Gamergate. Oh, and then like everyone, girls, guys, doesn't matter. Everyone starts bowing to Takahata and he's doing the legend killer pose. That, that's what that type of night was where everyone's like, this is all in jest. We're just having a good time. That's what a roast is. It is politically incorrect.

And of course, a man wearing a eight foot tall fat boo costume made exclusively of balloons, just literally like to paraphrase a great man, yucking it up more than anyone has ever yucked it up before, just literally going back and forth in his seat and getting up at dancing at random times in the corner where, where Craig literally shoved him in there. It will stay there. Don't ruin this. I was crazy.

I'm surprised he even acknowledged it, but he was there. But beyond that, cause I could, it was right next to me. Like I couldn't, I couldn't look away. I had to confront it. Yeah, you exactly. And no, all in all, like, I think, I think it was streams too. Yeah. Because at one point, the gearbox, the headguards are just like, dude, you have a career in

this industry and people know and respect you. Why are you putting yourself in like on the crosshairs like this, associating yourself with this on stream, no less, where everyone can go and watch and see a horrible things you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's cause he's, he seems like he's actually legit, really good friends with John St.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Um, um, the Takahata got called androgynous more than a couple of times. All in all, and he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, just working it. Yeah. Um, so that's, you know, those dudes. And we also got to meet the completionist, like, finally, after meeting like a couple of people, uh, that work with him and stuff at different cons.

Like, yeah, yeah, he's been there at this one. So that's cool too. And then there's our buddies that we've met before that we spent most of the time with, but the body hop, Bocano eruptions, scribble, scrabble, you know, the usuals were pretty accommodating and did a good job. Like, of taking our dumb requests and driving us around Texas. Yeah, exactly. They have driver's license.

They're adults. Also Nick from team four star that brought us this delicious super cool meat for our little like barbecue. Yeah. We hosted our hotel had an amazing pool and barbecue area. So this is the first time we've hosted a thing. Usually we're the tag alongs and we're like, yo, motherfuckers, uh, uh, Lanny's bringing barbecue.

We're going to have food. We had our organizer, uh, uh, extraordinaire helping us get all the food that we need plates and everything. And yeah, rate, uh, uh, Todd from rated S games. Right. Really cool dude. Yeah. He's great.

I like my guy a lot. I want to hang out with him. Yeah. We played, we played some Splatoon. Satch. Of course that's Satch and Shane from digital gaming. Uh, mega hamster leap was there and when, and when the discussion turns to how does one save sonic, the table gets quiet.

Yeah. Because now we enter serious discussion mode. Shane from digital gaming as drunk as he was, he goes, the thing with sonic team is that they might have a good idea and then they fucking stopped doing it and then they make a shitty idea. Why? Why does this keep happening? I'm like, cause there's no time.

He says, cause, cause there's no time. Like, like, uh, the topic came up, Liam. Like the camera went into like Danganronpa court case. Yeah. I get you. Circling around. You know, exactly. Like make your argument and then people point out the fallacies.

Like it was, it was, and then it continued later on. So you saw it by throwing him right in the garbage and forgetting he ever existed. That's not, that's like just sidestepping the argument entirely and walking into the pool. That's like, that's like saving Lenny at the end of, of mice and men. I saved him. No, that's not what's supposed to happen. Long as it happens. Did he deserve it?

With the rabbits? Yeah. Rabbits. Who knows? Who knows? That was justice back then. But anyway, um, I gotta give also a shout out to the, the cons planning was a very small, like it was just like an L shaped.

The layout, you mean? Yeah, the layout, like it was an L shaped like hallway with a bunch of rooms kind of connecting from there. Yeah, in the bottom of a hotel. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it did what it, it, it used its space efficiently and really, really well because it did something that I would do if I was planning on a con, which is there's a section of the con where the games like arcade as it were just is the hallway.

The hallways were rather wide. So it was a really good use of space. It just leads right into the space and walking through to get from one panel to another. Not, not a, not a feather in the cap of, uh, magfest, but a good selection of arcade games and smartly the only way it should be all on free play. Yeah. Not just third strike, but new generation if you want it. What?

Right. I've never played new generation. So, edge, last play two. Yeah, last play two. Some SNK shooter we didn't know. Uh, AVP arcade. Uh, Mad Beast. Mad Beast.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, uh, a lot, a good selection of arcades. That one button fighting game? Street Fighter? No, no, no, we'll get to that one. Yeah. No, that, even that had two. But, uh, it did.

It did have two. And then like aside from that, a darkened room with a lot of fighting games set up and, uh, and, uh, like rhythm games. It was, yeah, it was a big concept site. Well, they had an MKX cab. They had a killer instinct cab. And they had a Street Fighter IV cab. So like proper good shit right next to the Golden Tee.

And that's that much love to Golden Tee. Always out there. Always at every arcade. He can't be stopped. Apparently those games are still being made. I don't know. All I know is the screen burning on Golden Tee machines is a little strong. Yeah.

But, but no, my weekend was spent sidestepping from like those three cabs next to each other, just one to the other, to the other and back most of the time. And, uh, our autograph session, when, when we, we did it. We did it. But the organizers said we survived. You're not going to be able to do this. You're not going to be able to see every single person. And we've thankfully did.

Well, because the room is deceptively small. There's a back room. There's two rooms connected to each other. The corner where the line kept going. And we didn't know it was there. You can't see the end of it. Exactly. Yeah.

Lots, lots of generous fans. You've got lots of fun care packages. Yeah. I can't obviously remember everyone's name, but a guy gave us like a whole pack of awesome birth, like birthday cake, filled cream, chips, ahoy, lots of cookies. And the standout winner, I told Willie this before, uh, when he came in here, that the caramel popcorn captain crunch is amazing.

Oh, that's weird. It's, it's super good because it tastes like. It's comforting to hear that. It tastes like kicks, but with like a, a strong hint of caramel towards the end. It's not too sugary, not too gross. It's like, wow, I could definitely eat this. That's good. The other captain crunch that we had, like the sprinkle donuts was like a bit too much for me.

But this one was like, and Willie was like, I don't believe you. That has to be super sugary. I'm like, no, it's delightful. I, I, I, I will read that. Does your nutritionist listen to the podcast? Sorry? Does your nutritionist listen to the podcast? I can have, I can have a half cup as long as he's under the calories, man.

He can have that half cup as long as he doesn't eat a single thing, the entire rest of the day. Also, uh, the creator of dengan wrestling came to the signing. Yeah, man. That was really, that was a huge pleasure to get to meet him. Yeah, he did wrestling is strange. Yeah, the guy that made the wrestling is strange video. Oh my God.

That was not cool. Um, um, so a fan gave me a sell of Blanka from the street fighter cartoon. Yep. That was super cool. And we got, it was great. It all exists? Yeah. Yeah, I'll think this somewhere.

I think, oh, I just figured they just bullshitted it onto the page. And we got a great little, um, Zubaz alpaca. Yeah. That's super cool. Like a real alpaca? Whoa. Yep. Real alpaca.

And someone brought us a dog to sign. That's correct. We didn't sign it. We didn't sign it. Very cute dog. It was a very cute dog. What kind of dog? It was like, uh, it was like a mix.

It was like a... Boston Terrier looking kind of. It was a neat dog. Yeah. That was a dog that was owned by a staff member. So we saw him all the time. And then we saw that other dog. Then we saw that other dog.

Yeah. Dog, cunt, dog, cunt, dog, cunt, dog, cunt. The cutest bulldog. But yeah, tons of people came to the signing. It was, it was crazy. It was, there was so many people. We had to eventually cut off pictures. And then we had to go to ultra lightning round.

Like there were so many people. But it was like a real pleasure. We got like so many other gifts and stuff. It was really, really nice. And people are like starting to get wise to the fact that it's like after the picture cut off usually happens. It's usually just because the room needs to be cleared for the next thing.

Yeah. So we go outside and then like... Take all the pictures and the whole thing back playing. Take all the pictures. It's nice to hang around. Yeah. It's why we're here, man. You know, totally.

So that was cool. That was, that was a good time. I really enjoy the fact that it was a lot of, a lot of new faces too. Because you know, people are just like, Oh man, I was hoping you guys would come down to Texas at some point. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like there's like, it's like an area we've never been that far south. So it's fun to meet some of those people. There's this infinite area. Some names I recognize from, like the comments and from... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was neat. Right in Facebook and stuff as well. So very cool there. I don't know. The thing about covers is... More or less. Well, unless we want to talk about the first two. Oh, well, it's just dude, the staples.

It's just too funny. There's very little to say, but we fucking now it's all about Cartoon Network and First 48. What do we get down to? Yeah. As you stated, this time we got to watch the episodes where it was like,

okay, look, we have no... What would you describe the crime scene in this episode of First 48? Now, before we get to this, because I'm sorry this is going to be a little long, but it's too solid, right? It's too good. We came in and we're talking about the First 48.

Like the first day I go, man, the one of the best episodes of First 48 I ever saw is when they find this crazy guy who looks like he's from a rap rock group. Like he looks like he's from crazy town and they find him shivering naked, covered in blood, two blocks away from the crime scene under someone's porch. With a trail.

With a trail. Like eating. And then Willy goes, yeah, yeah, that sounds funny. And then I go downstairs and they have like a nice little gym. I do a little workout on the gym and I see that episode of First 48 playing on little TV screens.

I'm like, oh shit. And I finish up and I go to Willy. Willy's in bed like watching First 48 with a blanket on him. And I'm like, is this the one that I was telling you about? Is this the one with the crazy guy who's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we start watching it and yeah. And it's just, it's the episodes where there's no mystery to solve because it's such a dumb and obvious crime.

It's such a slam dunk. Why do you have your friend's blood on your fists? So it gets to the point where you have to shift two crimes in because both of them were just like, okay, sir, we found you pretty much standing two blocks from the crime scene, a line of blood connecting you. You were seen on camera. A security guard saw you run off.

And Ray Kwan's like, I don't know how it happened. I don't know. Sir, we were caught ripping your friend's torso and drinking his blood. I don't know how that happened. I don't know how that happened. I don't know if it happened to anyone else. Got to look like me.

The crime scene will be described as Bloodborne-esque where he splashes friends' blood all over the house. Who got ripped in half? Tyrone? No, I didn't. Tyrone? Tyrone's dad? No.

What the hell? What? I saw him the last week. Yeah, yeah. Where did you see him, sir? Last week. Oh, really? Because you have his, we con-swabbed your knuckles

and you have all your friends' blood. What? What? He goes, well, I never hurt my friend Alonzo, man. I never hurt him and never fight him. Well, then what happened? Because you clearly beat him to death. OK, so I was fighting you super hard.

He just ran away in, though. Yeah. I just, you know, so I was beating this shit out of him, right? But that's my boy, man. I would never touch my boy. But, sir, he had bottle wounds, like broken bottles. Look, OK, I saw a lot of the romps in his apartment.

And I started hitting all the buttons. Some French lasers came out, right? That's my boy. And it was like to the point where the splatter was impractical, like you had to kill him, pick his body up, and shake it. It was a real ass murder. Yeah.

Like, sir. Why were you found doing a gato-style heaven walk on the body, splattering the blood as far and as wide as you can? Sir, when we found you, you were doing a knife-licking and boss animation. So this is called the first two. Yeah.

Because they solved it in the first two fucking hours. Sir, why did a fog gate appear behind me when we entered the room? Could you please explain? I ain't never seen no fog gate. Nowhere. It just went from, who's dead? My buddy Alonzo to, yeah, a fucking merchant.

That's my dude, though. I've never heard him. Dad in New York at the police station, they're just sitting there waiting. A bonfire has been kindled. Well, well, I can't get enough. I can't get enough. But when there's an episode that sucks, it sucks.

But when it's good, it's good. When it's good, it's good. There's some episodes that are just boring. And when it's dumb, it's best. And I remember hearing those. There's another show, and I thought it was Forensic Files that's also worth watching. But it's not.

That was boring. Oh, no. It was, um, it was, um... Scared shit list. No, no, no. I know what you're talking about, but it was just a generic title. Like, you thought it was the first 48 or something like it.

No, it was actually Forensics. It was just Forensics. Oh, there was another name to the other show. So nothing cool or interesting. We also saw the active warehouse. Yeah. We also saw the ad for, uh, Beyond Scared Straight, which takes little kids, like eight years old,

that have problems and throw them in prison. And they had this promo for their next one, where it's like this whitest white kid with a stupid, like, mop-top, like, haircut. And he's looking old mean, and he's looking at, like, all the security guards. He's like, whatever, meh. And then they show these quick cuts of them doing other stuff,

like a big white guy yelling at him, like a big security guard. Then they show a door. And in the door, there's a little window, and this really black guy looks to the door, and it cuts to a shot of the kid going, ah, and I was like, whoa, that's a little much. This sequel, this sequel to Scared Straight,

Beyond Scared Straight. It takes eight-year-olds, hand them a bar of soap, and usher them in. It's you. That's what's going on. Just show them to the ground. Yeah, I'm shaking my head quietly. If you cannot hear that.

American TV, American TV is the best. American TV is nuts. Yeah. It feels like you're in a fucking cartoon. I also had to avoid any time we went on Cartoon Network, and Steven Universe popped up. We go, no, we can't watch it. We're not on the channel.

We're not on the channel. They're watching it properly. They can't watch it. There are spoilers, man. It's great. Yeah, all those shows, like Adventure Time, and Steven Universe, and you'd be like, oh, it's a goofy little happy thing.

And then you never know. A couple seasons in, you're like, no, there's a huge plot here. It is so, they are all so casually watchable. But if you actually start watching them, you're like, no. I don't know about Steven Universe, but AT has a goddamn multiverse theory and alternate timelines and all sorts of crazy shit.

And I imagine Steven Universe is somewhat similar in terms of like, no, stuff happens. In terms of gravitas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so. Yeah, solid weekend, hot, but solid, like me. The pool was really nice. We had a pool at the hotel. It was a super nice pool.

We got really wet, didn't we? We got drenched together. Yeah, those fun underwater activities. We rubbed our bellies on each other. There you go. There it is. We're looking for it. I was like, no, it needs one more.

It needs one more. Right over the edge. There it goes. Those floaties barely fit on there. Wow. I don't even know what that's supposed to do. That was the last one. That one, I don't even, wow, okay.

So, yeah. That didn't seem uncomfortable. It's a huge joke, but we were just using chairs as floaties at one point. Yeah, we were just, yeah, they were seen on chairs at the bottom of it. You guys drunk swimming. No, no, no, that's dangerous.

We were the least drunk. At that time. So, you know, I spent a lot of time at the fighting games area playing those fighting games and it was really kind of depressing and sad. And it was just kind of, you know, and like a lot of people were kind of walking by asking questions and stuff.

And, you know, talking about fighting games with people and just kind of realizing that it's like, everyone is shit at fighting games. Well, if they were good, they're out of evo. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, if anyone in here was good, you're like, that's it. It's not even like realization. That's why you just walk in nowhere.

Especially in Texas, because Nevada is like, in that part of the U.S. It's not an absurd distance. Like it is like kind of here. Yeah. So evo happened this weekend and goddamn. Plague like divo. I'm so away.

Who, who missed Killer Instinct? Because that was fucking best. Yeah. So, uh, Matt, you said you didn't watch the finals yet. I didn't watch the finals. I knew what's well. I know we won't spoil. We're under sports like taping rules.

But I will say that the circumstances that occurred within the last set were redonkulous. They were fantastic. I caught them. The last set of grand finals? Grand finals for Ultra. I managed to catch them. I got them just in time.

Oh, we're skipping Ultra now. Well, I'm talking about, oh, okay. Well, there's a lot. I thought we were still talking about K.I. And I was like, yeah, it was really good. I guess you didn't, you didn't have a game. You didn't separate that. Yeah.

You didn't say a different game. So did I, did I say Killer Instinct? You said Killer Instinct? No, I didn't say Killer Instinct. You started with Killer Instinct. And then started talking about it doesn't matter, doesn't matter. So we got confused.

I just want to say the fucking Japanese player before we get off Killer Instinct, the Japanese player, we're going to go into all those things. But Ultra since- I'm already talking about K.I. But I'm saying we're not going to talk about Ultra after this because it's spoilers. Because he hasn't seen it yet.

So the last set in Ultra was crazy because a fucking stick got unplugged in the final, final set. Did it result in a thing? Yes. Okay. And it was fucking crazy. And that never happened.

Because I watched it. Of all the times. I could not believe it. And like, I'm like just like the level of composure that they had. Yeah. Under those circumstances. Crazy.

So this was a moment that when I saw it, I couldn't believe it because it has been so long since I've seen this happen on stream that I could not remember what the rules were. Oh, geez. No, because it used to be a more extreme version. Yeah, you win the set. You win the set.

It still is that. No, you win the round. Now it's doing the round. Is it really? Yes. Because I had read from somewhere that it was nice that he didn't take the whole set. No, it wasn't a matter of taking it.

What it turned into was you win the round at most majors that count. Years ago, it used to be the sets done. Yeah, like back when I originally learned that rule, that if that had happened, like my brain, when I saw it, it was like games over. Like he won.

And I'm like, and everyone's arguing, and there's rafts and shit. Like, wait, what is the discussion about? And it's like, no, you only get the round now. And so like he took it, and the discussion was about, okay, one guy needs to replace a stick, and the other guy needs to get just enough life to be ahead, and then not get any more.

For the time out. It was really nice of him to do that, and not just kill him. Well, he's not allowed to. But most people just do. No, but he would lose. No, but like in pools and stuff, most people just do.

No, but at evil. No, I know you're not supposed to, but I mean, some people do that. No, they don't. The judge will not let you. He would have lost it. I saw that on one of the streams. You're totally not allowed to take a round

by just killing the guy. You have to let the timer run. Because then you start with like the exercise. No, I know. Just I saw it happen on one of the streams. If it's late. Then that was a mistake on that. If it's like a winning round,

then it doesn't matter. Oh, okay. If it's the last one that's like round over, and then you're in the back to nothing, then who cares? If it's in the middle, you can't. It is a damn shame. You've only caught the grand finals,

because as great as those grand finals were, and like as a culmination to like the night, the losers finals is the greatest street fighter matches I've ever seen in my life. Bar none. Well, I'm absolutely going to go back and watch them first. I just didn't have time because we had to complain.

No, no, but it's like I got to watch top eight without knowing any of the winners. Yeah, of course. So it's a shame. It is the longest set ever. I think you could show that set to a beginner, and like they would understand. They would learn how stuff works.

And I don't mean that in high-pervelling. I mean that losers final set is like 45 minutes long. Wow, okay. It is absurd. Okay. And it is because of healing. Yeah, okay. Okay.

It is the, it is the scummiest, time outiest, bullshit series of five matches ever. And it's amazing. The whole top eight was super fun. Nemo's Rolento looks like he's from Marvel. He's unsightly. Like he never stops. It's crazy.

That's what I'm about to turn into in this video. That top eight is unbelievable. I am excited to just go back and watch all the I. I matches because of those matches of good jury player making it to the top eight seriously. Yeah. That's, I love that. I love that, like the one guy that just plays that character

that shouldn't be here, but he knows the matchups that well. It's just generally always whenever it's a character you almost never see. Yeah, it's like, oh no, I don't know the jury matchup. Like because why would I know the jury matchup? Yeah, yeah. Um, so good. But okay, but outside of ultra.

Yeah, every game had some shenanigans associated with it. Guilty gear. Right. Yeah. So guilty gear had that excellent like ridiculous moment where it had this happen all the time. But not in grand finals. Never in grand finals on the deciding round

where the two players are playing one of them. One of them was already up around second round. Thought tying it up one one. Thought the game was over and got up to celebrate. He was already cheering. He was already cheering. And the other player was sitting there and then round three starts and he just decimates combos into a play and like training them.

I love how relentless it was. Like it was like a 70% opening comp. Max damage and max damage. Exactly. Four seconds rather. Yeah. Like wow. And if you look at that and go like, oh no, we got Rob.

Like no, he didn't. He completely fucked up. Yeah. He mentally guard broke himself. Like it's shitty. But that's yeah. And I drew a comparison for like earlier in like, I think it was Eva 2010 when Jay won one round on Daigo during a really long set

where he was getting like bodied really hard. Yeah. And he got up and like used the crowds pipe for that one round. But then he got back in and sprinted back to them into the station. He knew what he was doing. He wasn't a mistake. But it was just like that for me, whatever this happens. Because I feel like it happens to everybody at a tournament at some point.

But it happens to me sometimes too. It's like you play that one really long attempts round. And you go, oh man, good games. Right. And for me, we've done it on Fist of Cards. Yeah. So I turn over to the guy and hold my hand out for the handshake. And you see that he's doing nothing.

And then I go, oh shit. And grab the controller. So thankfully sportsmanship saves you. However, they're not at evil finals. Not at evil finals, man. And then all you just get is the image of his hands. It is his head and his hands. Just I it's no one to blame but yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. Um, not like this, you know. No. You got like this. You got the KIs to come back in the century with. But oh, there's two things.

God is deserved. That come back where it was a Conrad player fighting. A Saber Wolf. My God. And like with literally the magic pixel of life. Zero visible life on the health card for folks. Brings it back all the way on a full life. The Saber Wolf guy took his ball, put it on the ground.

And said, I'm not fighting anymore. And you know what? And I'm like, then you deserve this loss. Yeah. Because every whatever that happens, dude, it's like that happened in Marvel a couple of years ago. Like it never works out. It almost never works.

Right away. Yeah. Eskilon. This isn't crossed. And James Chen. We're talking about how Tokito kept almost losing his sets because he would get two in and then play smart and calm down. And then people would run it all the way back on him.

Yeah. All the way to the end of the set. Exactly. Exactly. But this was new level because this was the Saber Wolf player saying, I could probably kill you, but I'll let you regain all your both your meters. I'm letting you build meter in the corner.

And then just didn't hit him. It was like he was playing Phoenix. Yeah. It was like that. Yeah. Or it's like, all right, now it's time for me to just hold down. Back. And it was even chip damage.

I don't know what he was thinking. But I don't know what he was thinking. He was thinking he was better than him. Yeah. And it's like, why would you think that? He can't. He can't. He can't.

Golden emblazoned out of your chest. Ever on the chest. There's no way he could come back. So why should I even bother fall? No. Crazy, man. And you see the, you see the keys turning. And then he chokes in the resets because why,

how could this happen? Yeah. The Japanese cinder doing never before seeing combos was the fucking best. Don't be like, look like a fucking bug. You are, you are a Japanese player of an Xbox one exclusive fighting game. And you are fucking killing it.

Yeah, yeah. Some of no sparring partners. So what he thinks he does is that Pat, you know, like Cinder has that theory, he lobs a little far around you. That's correct. And he can blow it up. His fingers.

He, he flip kicks whoever he was fighting. It was a fulgur or something. Anyway. He gets them into a situation where they're launched. Yeah. And it's still in the air. And it's able to like launch them and keep launching the things and it keeps the guy in the air that he has a

million of them on him. Yeah. That does sound like a bug. The only reason it's working is because he's blowing him up so high off screen that it's keeping him up. That's like the old, like it wouldn't normally work because you wouldn't juggle him that high. But if you juggle him extra high, it starts to work.

And then you snap your fingers as soon as you hit the ground and it double bounces. That's like a goddamn killer sting, one like idol combo. Right, right, right. It was really cool. Yeah, you're watching and we were like, we want this guy to win because he's cool.

Because he's doing amazing. You know, outside Japanese guy get into this game. He's playing Cinder who wasn't even using the tournament at all. And it's the crowd-pleasing tack. Yeah. And then everyone just won and win. And we were kind of disappointed when he lost. Because cool shit never wins.

Cool shit never wins. It always is. It's all trusty, dependable. Yeah. That's why I mean, except for that one time. That's why the term the people's champ exists. What? Because people love you and the way you fight.

What you never win. Except that one time. For Ultra in which the finals was guile, guile. Yeah, that was a good one. There was an EVO or tournament that, it must have been 2008 or nine. That was a Montreal tournament. That was Nemesis when...

Yeah, I was excited that night. That was Rebello fought Dominion. Yeah, Dominion. And that was the Grand Finals. And that was here in Montreal. Fuck. And it was fucking brutal. Fuck.

It was brutal. I'd rather have that goddamn E Honda sit-in-the-corner match than guile, guile. That goes so lame that it gets my gag. It's because it's a samurai match. You weigh in with one strike to determine who's the winner. It's fucking crazy. Um, so there's that. K.I. had also fucking the fact that Thunder gets a placement there.

It just makes me happy. Well, he's good. You know what I mean? Good character. Like, that's awesome. He can do it. What other games? I'm trying to think.

Apparently, the Catherine tournament was super hyped. Of course. They're always amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna have to sponsored by Atlas. Everyone already gets way hyped out of their brains, just because what the fuck is going on? What timeline did we go down to get here? I'm gonna have to go track that.

Do you have any idea how long the Catherine tournament is? A couple of years. Okay, I'll have to go fucking get that. It's significantly shorter than the Catherine tournament. Because I remember when that was a goofy side stream like a year or two ago. Yeah. It's still a side stream. Yeah, it's still a side stream.

No, sure, but being officially sponsored by Atlas and having the time to work on that, and because it's so fast. It's so fast. Also, fucking spooky, man. Doing the ultimate release this year was beautiful. After the whole tourney, after the credits rolled and everything, he grabbed the mic and went, all right, guys, thanks for watching the stream.

Time to set you all free. But he put the Riccio clip on the big screen for the audience to watch, and then played the direct feed from the clip up until the last second when he lets the crowd kick in, and everybody screams, yeah, we're all free now. That's really awesome, yeah. He knows, he knows, yeah. Good for you, Spooky.

So, yeah, that's for the things that were happening during an at-evo. Well, I mean, I mean, I mean, Smash Brothers was played too, unless you. Which, which, which, which. I really didn't like how after Grand Finals, Hungrybox threw his medal into the crowd. He won second place. I really didn't like that. He tossed it to the crowd.

Yeah, he lost to Armada. He just kind of, he just kind of tossed it up. It was, it was kind of. No, he just kind of lobbed it. It was hard to read, but it was like, come on, guys. Well, Smash Brothers have no respect for fighting games. Clearly. But like, and I was kind of like, oh, don't do that.

You played so, like, you both played so good. Next year, they should not give the medals. So, like, we'll blame Hungrybox. You're fucking threw your medal into the crowd. Like, the fiance of the runner up in Ultra, like, breaking down in tears, was like, the thing that brings that player back to reality, kind of, because she was just crying a little bit.

It was like, aw, man. But as a player, when you get second, you're like, yo, like, yeah, you did it. No, for sure, but it's the ceremony. It's during the ceremony. You know, when they have the camera going up, the thing is like, don't just throw it. Like, that's kind of disrespectful.

It is, it is. It's shitting on everybody else who got second place in every other event. It might seem like, hey, toss my hat into the crowd. Yeah, like, it looked like he intended it as like a joking, friendly gesture, but it was like, man. It's the kind of thing where you go, ha, ha, it's cool,

right? And everybody was like, no. Not really. Not, no. Throw your golden stick into the audience. Yeah, exactly. Apparently, the fucking Marvel winner got his shit taken. That sucks.

And you know it's gone for real, because they found the empty bag in the bathroom. Yeah, that's fucking garbage. You know, every year, EVO gets the biggest it's ever been, and it lets in more people, but with that comes more scumbags. Fighting games remain dirty. So the robbery list,

so the robbery list is Atlas's Vita Dev Kit. Which is useless apparently. Axis's table, their plastic table, and all those Marvel winnings on his laptop, which is fucking brutal. The same motherfucker. Or group of motherfuckers. Because a table seems kind of hard to lift solo.

They took it. The table. How'd they get the table? I don't know. I'm kind of impressed. Maybe it was Bubba and Devon. Maybe it was Bubba and Devon. But like with Neo's shit going to the shade,

it's like, all right. Well, I think the time for like security. Yes. Yeah. I thought you were gonna say, I thought you were gonna say, I think the time for fighting games is over now. You're looking at that EVO crowd on stream. There's a lot of grimy looking motherfuckers in that crowd.

And there is security that keeps people from rushing the stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not enough. But like they really show up for day three. Well, now they need to have someone walk each winner back to the hotel room to make sure the money makes it or something. Alternatively, they should not give them cash at all. Don't let them leave.

Make them walk you to the hotel room. Yeah, because I've like. Thousands of dollars. I've been at majors where like sticks go missing. Yeah. I've been at majors where fucking random shit. Can I ask like a dumb question that I'm sure there's a good answer for, but it baffles me.

Why didn't I know it's not ceremony or cool? Why do not why do they not just wire them the money? Why is the money ever physically able to be held in any way? I do not know. Okay. I don't know if the money I don't know if the money that he lost was his winnings or if it was from my bets and money matches. I feel like it was probably from money matches.

Okay. Because for Evo, it's not in an envelope right away. Yes. That's for certain. Okay. Okay. Thank you. That's that's what I wanted to know.

Yeah. At least at least it's not the winnings then. No. Okay. That that that Evo doesn't operate that. No. No, we're we're talking about dirty money then. Most other tournaments though, it's straight up because that's what people

handed you when they walked. You know what I mean? I'd rather take it a week later through my bank account than have a guy rob me at night. You're not wrong. And you know what I've like I've been party to discussions about that type of thing as well where like they're they've had things where people would go like I want my money now. Yeah. Right.

Don't fuck around. And like we're I'm not even talking about people that like are in a fighting games or people that went to Evo to go to Evo. But like there are people that live in Vegas and know there's going to be a lot of money walking around because it's fucking Vegas at any major. And there's people that people know. Yeah, I know. Someone is going to walk.

I know. But I imagine I imagine there are more people ready to heist cash off of unwilling tourists in Vegas more than other parts of the world. But anyway, but of course it's always they're always willing to burgle. But like thankfully not yet rob. Yeah, you know. Well, maybe next year they should just ditch Smash 4 because clearly that's the culprit. It's the new tournament.

It's clearly there. Was it Smash 4? It was Smash. So of course all of those guys were stealing the tables. So I heard that Bill Triton lost to his buy. Yeah, he had a buy. But then he lost anyway. Oh, I don't know.

Well, he thinks he threw the match. I know he threw his bet. Yeah, for fun. So other things that happened. What? Yeah, there's not just fighting game stuff. There's also fighting game video game stuff. Well, first off, Jamie Lee Curtis shows up like a boss and proves that she's not a basic bitch.

Yep. And she kicked the best. And she came out with her husband who is the dude from Spinal Tap. And he played. I didn't know that. He was Cosplay Doctor Dr. Meep. Which is really inside. There's a pole.

Was he lying down on the floor the whole weekend? He was nuts. He was screwing around his ass. Showing up with her family all in cosplay. Kudos on you. You talk the talk, you walk the talk. I wonder if she heard that it was getting around. It's like, well, I don't want to get mobbed the entire weekend or something.

Yeah. Lots of fighting game fans love Jamie Lee Curtis' work. Yeah. Have you seen Freaky Fridays? I have not. Well, it's not, well, she, um... I've heard good things. Yeah.

Fantastic. It wasn't just that though, but like being in Vegas walking around. In general. In general, yeah. Yeah, that's true too. So that's cool. She tweeted out so late though that it's like, I'm sure a lot of people at the con never even had a chance to know. Never even had a chance.

Well, you know, Mr. Wizard and the Cannons like, got... Oh, for sure. They talked to her. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So that was cool. Um... I like it.

I like how Evo's big celebrity moment isn't like a cool MMA guy or like a really hip actor. It's Jamie Lee Curtis. Well, the fucker, prior to this, we had that guy that won American Idol. Yeah. Who? There's an American Idol winner that entered Smash a couple of years ago. Okay. I don't know his name.

I don't know where it came from. Exactly. That's why that's not a celebrity. In America they know and care. I guess so. No. Anyway, um... You want to get some news?

Yeah. And now we got announcements. We got announcements. So like... You're starting with the Evo announcement? That's... Well... Yeah, that's the one.

Let's start off with Rising Thunder. Rising Thunder. Rising Thunder. That was a cool, interesting little trailer that Liam showed me because we were at the con. The trailer came out and Matt was in the bathroom. I was like, Matt, get out of the bathroom. There's a trailer. You want to see it?

So I come and rush in and I watch the trailer. Dangling from ass. Exactly. Because I... You know, it's Evo. I was like, I thought it was the Street Fighter V character or something. So I watched the trailer and I was like, wow, that looks really neat. And yeah, that looks really cool.

And then I think, do you remember me telling you this? And I go, I wonder if this is the game that Seth Killion is working on? Yeah, you said that on the spot. So the first thing I thought of when I saw this trailer associated with Eskil's name is fucking thank god, finally! Finally! We know what Eskil's been working on. It's been years.

And what was also cool that I didn't... All I watched was the trailer Liam showed me. It was like, okay, robot fighting game. It's got cool effects on it. Looks like they're doing a thing. There was no other info to be clear. Yeah. And Radiant Games didn't ring a bell.

But now that the actual news is out and it's one, I'm like, oh, that's what it fucking was. Radiant Games are the guys that made Stonehearth, which is fucking Tom Cannon. And that's the guy that they made that pixel-based game. I remember that pixel-based game that they were making and whatnot. And then there was rumors that they were working on a fighter, but... And low and behold, exactly. It was super under wraps. Game looks really cool.

So here we go. We got this. And it looks like man... Apparently they showed this game off to a bunch of press like two weeks ago, and it's just all been under NDA. So now it's just information. That's good, that's good. EGP03, well, for starters, the guys behind this, the Cannon Brothers,

who are also the guys behind EVO, are also the guys behind... Are also the guys behind GGPO. So it only makes sense. Yeah. He programmed it because there was nothing good at all. The Cannon Bros have done a few things for fighting games. Yeah, just a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, you know? So yeah, so this game is built from the ground up to use the new GGPO,

which is, it sounds like looking to have a seamless, almost local experience. They warp the other player to your character. Type of thing going on from day one, because everyone hates shitty online. So it's the Cannon... Right now, we're having the Cannons versus Capcom's engineers in terms of, like, who can make the better rollback netcode. Who can emulate the Cannon Brothers tech to begin with? Yeah.

The Cannon Brothers? But more exciting than that stuff is the system discussion, because this... I did not see any of this. Tell me, hit me. Finally getting to the game that bridges the gap, man. Between inaccessible, want to get new people into the genre of fighting games, execution level. And they sit down and go, here are the reasons why people can't get into fighting games.

Here are the reasons why fighting games are awesome. Has footsies. Are you talking about Street Fighter 5? No. Because that was their whole panel. No. It was about that concept. Not even that.

I mean stripping it bare down. Even more. Get rid of execution. Because we talk about dive kick. And we talk about senior footsies and Smash. And it makes people who can't do fighting games understand fighting games. You get into the meta right away. So here you have a game like that, but where's the games that we just listed?

Well, except for Smash. Except for Smash. Usually have a simplified gameplay as a result. Here the depth is still all there, but you can do it from moment one. No execution barriers. Oh, here's what you got. You're going to have your six button. It's a six button game.

Light, medium, hard attack, three special move buttons. Oh, each button. Wait. So six buttons, but there's no punches and kicks. Three buttons are normals. Yeah. Just like the other three buttons are special moves. Like Marvel or Tatsunoko.

Yeah. You have a light attack, a hard attack, and a medium attack. That's it. And then you've got the three special move buttons. So explain the difference between three buttons. So each one just does the special move. Just does the special move. Furthermore, in addition, like a leak, they have a cool down.

And that's what stops you from spamming the move. Okay. Because a one button special move, what's the stop? What's the stop? Yeah, so you replace execution with a cool down. Cool down on visibility. Okay. Until it's refreshed and you use it.

Okay. Right. So just this simple thing. And that makes sense because there are robots that have to cool down. Exactly. So right away what happens is they're like, we introduced this to people. That are not only brand new to fighting games with people who have played them, but are just total scrubs.

People that are like really good at games and whatnot. They ran the gamut. They ran, they did the tests and they found the same results. Everyone after a couple matches within your warm-up period. Within an hour, right? Everyone is playing mind games with each other. Because you're capable of doing that. Because you can actually feel the spacing.

Yeah. Why it matters. And you can use that fireball to actually create a pressure tool. And not just feel good about the fact that you pulled it off at all. This is really goofy in regards to the Capcom panel for SF5. Talking about these exact goals. But without the trade. And V-Trigger and V-Skill being their attempt to do this exact thing.

But this thing went farther. And beat them to the, like, kind of stole their lunch. Because it's an original thing. It can do its own thing. Exactly. Like Street Fighter 5. If they took away quarter circles. I freak out.

And said to do a tat, so you just hold. So I don't think it's fair to even compare. I mean, they're both aiming at the same thing which everyone acknowledges. Everyone acknowledges that execution barrier is a problem in fighting games. Because the reward for doing it is like, okay, congratulations. Now you're playing the game at a normal level. Yeah. I'm not like trying to, like, so much compare it as like,

Okay, because you called it a winner. Well, in this. See you in Thunder. In the stealing launch, actually. But in terms of this concept. But I guess my main feeling is like, everybody gets it. You gotta get those barriers down. This game is exciting.

They have to go down. Rising Thunder is exciting because it's the missing link. Yeah. And like every fighting game that has the things that introduce you to these concepts and whatnot. Often will still have things like execution as a barrier. And then if you go before Rising Thunder again, you get dive kicks in your footsies where it's like, it's so simplistic. It's still really fun.

But it doesn't have to be much of a fighting game, you know. So this is right in that middle zone where you're like, you can get people. A fighter has needed to exist in this spot for ages. Also, it's going to be like free to play. Yeah. So that's going to introduce it to a lot of people and then why not. And initially, when I looked at the trailer, I was like, you know, these robots and I was like, yeah, they're all right.

They're okay. I'm like, I'm not really excited by them. But then in the previews, especially the Destructoid article, which is the most in-depth one I saw about it. When you saw the screenshots, I got a better look at the robots. I was like, actually, these are pretty cool. I like considering since we played like fucking Rise 2 and Rockham Soccer or whatever, they're super generic. I was like, no, these have just enough flair that they look neat. And they're not as weird or that people would be like, I don't even understand what I'm looking at.

I totally of that. I like them because they look like power quest models. Yeah. Upgraded for the current day. It's apt. It's pretty accurate. So also Rising Thunder is just a fucking awesome name. And now that we know that.

They better not change it. Now that we know it's Tom Cannon, we know that that's deliberately put as that. It's exactly what you think it is. So yeah, in the South Killing interview, it also seems to describe that like people started getting into my games and whatnot, because there's elements of the game that are like certain moves have telegraphed startups on them. And like, I know it wasn't made clear, but there's things where you can like fake people out, it seems. That's super useful.

And there's something where there's a character that has an invisible like shield. Power that like they drop a bomb and when they stand within this area, you can't see them. Right. And they have things where it's like on the screen of the player who is fighting the opponent, they're completely gone. On the player's side, they're looked like more like Predator or Reptile, where it's kind of around here. Nice.

You know, so it's going to be like two screen. It's going to be a two screen. What happens in local then? Well, you get system link or what have you. That's the question. That's the biggest question I had. I guess they should just turn totally invisible, but otherwise it's worthless. Yeah, yeah, because I think I think that's what it'll have to be.

It'll have to take the maximum like version of that ability. You better get used to it. Exactly. Something just clicked into place to me. Remember when you came in, we started talking about this and I saw this destructive article and I read something. I was like, what are you serious? There said the default controller for this game should be the keyboard.

And it's pretty optimal to play it with the keyboard. Why are they stupid? I went that stupid. What the hell? I don't even get it. That's never been done. And then since I didn't read the entire thing, because it was in the future long article, you're saying that it's six buttons and that's why the execution is gone.

So it totally makes sense why you could use it on a keyboard. Because you don't have to do down forward, quarter circles back on the keyboard. You just have to do up, down, forward, back and maybe up forward. Because your special moves are more like abilities in an MMO. And then you could, I'm sure you can play it on a stick if you like. You could totally numpad and WASD this. That also lowers the execution. You go up the street part of five and then we've been asked a million times,

oh, what stick do I get? Sticks? I don't know. Where? I was at, there was a moment like this. That's the thing that excurses my people. People are just like, what stick should I buy? It's like you should buy a TE2 if you care enough to spend the money.

And I don't, though, will then don't buy a stick. Then use your controller. The most complex thing you will likely, like the most complex thing you'll have to do directionally in this game might be a forward dash. Yeah. You know what I mean? Perhaps, yeah.

Otherwise, there's no... I did doze and quake on WASD, so it's fucking fine. So kudos to these geniuses. You know, this is what we've been waiting for. And you know for damn well, sure, it's going to be balanced. Six characters out the gate south so far. And the only thing I can like... Open beta at some points.

Yeah, it's kind of knocked on. The other thing I can kind of knock on, but I'm sure it's just early, is that the one stage it seems to have is just the most boring nothing ever seen. I just hope that they're not all going to be like, flat, uninteresting things. There were seven different desert stages and nothing but. So that's like, because backgrounds are out,

not like I said, backgrounds are important. Or a big deal to me. I was telling Liam, it's like, actually whenever I go by like, if Spooky uploads like 15 Street Fighter videos, and I just see training states, training states, training states, and I actually get bored of looking at...

Can I, can I... They need to stop. They need to fucking stop. They need to make some kind of rule that you cannot pick fucking training stage for fucking six out of the eight fucking match sets in top eight. But you're wrong, like. Liam, you want to feel this one?

But you're wrong. Like, all of the stages are good, with the possible exception of how volcanic rim used to be. Because there's no visibility issues. Wait, what are you talking about? And knock, slam it home. Take this, I don't want this, I don't want this, I don't want this, I don't want this.

And furthermore, it doesn't make a difference, I don't know what you're getting at. No, no. It's because the visibility... It's because the visibility and the measurements. ...at a tournament. Who gives a fuck? I do.

It's fucking so visually boring. Money is on the line. I'm a tournament player. Wait, no, Pat's saying he wants other stages. Yes, but I'm saying at a tournament, one character, one people... Isn't it shitty how they still play hockey on rinks? Where's...

Why don't we jazz it up with a nice little rainbow colored rink? I want to see the Filipino rink. Go to the volcanic rim stage in the hockey rink. They can give us some spectac... No, dude, it's optimal. This is so that the players with so much money on the line and years of practice and training can play in an optimal setting where they can be their best and not ever have a distraction

in the background and actually cost them something. When you're playing casuals, sure, have fun, go nuts. But if that matters to you and you actually are distracted by things, or you think that you see clearer on that training stage as most players do, then you pick that training stage, right? I don't like watching it. And the same thing for... Sorry, it's the training stage.

It's the Cambodia boat. It's very muted. It's gray. It's very easy to see. Those was where the other two matches were played. And when that was finally picked, I went, oh, thank God, it's a visual variety. What you feel, I hear you, but it's completely superficial

and it is completely irrelevant for players that need to prioritize visibility. But it's for... It's Evo and the tournaments are for the spectators. They are not for the players. But the players on stage are playing for themselves. The spectacle of the event is put on by organizers. And I think that the organizers...

The organizers don't choose what the stage of the match is going to be. The players do. And they're playing for their purposes. They should fucking force them. And there's no rational argument. There's no reason that the player plays for themselves. How come this isn't an issue on other fighting games? Because I'm the spectator.

I'm the reason he's there. No one's playing on the training stage at MKX exclusively. No one's playing in the one stage on... Kailor Instinct has to train at MKX. Because MKX has a stage match. No, it does. But they can turn them off if they want. But the fact that they're there,

and same thing for Injustice, where there's actual stages that affect the matchup, means you can't do just the new zone. By that logic, if there was a version of these characters that had no art on them, and they were just like crash test dummies with sparkle effects, then it would mean nothing to just use those for... No, that's silly.

Because you actually respond to where the art starts and stops as far as spacing those for moves. I don't know. I kind of agree with that. Cosmetics are cool. And I know you were saying... For Street Fighter V, my biggest disappointment of Street Fighter V so far is that we saw a screenshot of the exact same fucking training stage.

And I'm going to have to look at 10 more years of fucking garbage visuals. For that EVO part of this, you said like that's your thing with stages and stages matter. And stages do matter. I was going to say that for me... I think that was bad. I have that feeling. I have that feeling on year one of a fighting game.

But at this point in Ultra, especially, I don't even see them. Right? I pick the new ones that I want, that I haven't seen as much when I'm playing Casuals for fun, because I want to see these more often. I'm used to seeing the other ones. But when you're at fucking the World Finals...

No! No! It is? No! It's up to the player to maximize his experience. Here's the thing. It would not be nearly as bad if the stage that everyone picked was that boat stage.

Because at least it's a fucking stage, instead of a fucking lined cube. That's a stage everyone. No, I mean it's a place. I know you don't like it, but like... Like Final Destination or fucking Battlefield have art in them. There's a stage there.

People think... It looks like they're fucking playing in a test environment. Yeah, well they are. I hear it. It's perfect. There you go. It's the fucking worst. Super lame.

I'm sorry that that... And the fact that that's the default fucking stage that the cursor starts on is infuriating. So would you have them enforce stage selection outside of the player's hands? Absolutely. Every single... Why?

Why is that so funny? What if they get Volcanic Rim? What if they get Volcanic Rim? They're playing as red characters. What if they not fix Volcanic Rim to be... No, they're still... They've made... There's still a bias against it.

Is there? Yes. Oh, absolutely. That's why we're still talking about it, because there's still a bias against it. Volcanic Rim is still not so... If you pick... If you play in tournament right now,

even though they fixed quote unquote Volcanic Rim, it's still the least visible stage to see your characters on. And if you pick it in tournament, especially at Evo, I guarantee you your opponent will say, stop this match, pick another stage. So why is it the stage has to be training stage or the boat level,

but everyone can pick their fucking bullshit costumes that are huge and visually distracting? Like when you play it against Daigo, again, you use that fucking costume. Why is that okay? Again, it's so that you can have your optimal experience. Ultimately, you might even... Not for the other...

Not for the other player. You were just talking about how it's for visibility. Yeah, and the Hakon off-color 12 thing that we used to be in the game, that's some weird shit that it feels like that went under the radar. It feels like no one caught that. Many setups don't even have the costumes purchased.

If I see it there, I'm going to go for it. But when it comes to the players picking, doing what they can to win, and they want maximum visibility, I absolutely support that. And I don't think that should be out of their hands. Do guilty-gear players complain that they don't have a boring shitty stage to look at?

No, but when people pick the stage that they're going to play their best on... Why is this such a problem in Street Fighter only? It's not a problem. It's not a problem in Street Fighter at all. You just don't like watching it. It's just... No, no, no.

He's not referring to why is the training stage a problem. He's referring to why is it only a problem if you play on stage A or stage B instead of the training stage only in Street Fighter. It's not only in Street Fighter. I've never heard of this anywhere. I've seen any tournament where this was not localized. Like does Killer and Snake not use multiple stages?

Of course. And does Persona does guilty-gear? Of course. And then why is it... Well, the entire Street Fighter tournament didn't take place on the training stage. It's just some players prefer that one. Prefer that one.

And in all of those other games, there are the preferred neutral stages for people that want to clear it, have clear visibility. I've never heard of it outside of Street Fighter. Guess what? It exists in every fighter. And it should be banned at all. But it's just not everyone bothers doing it.

Though I will point out that, yeah, Cross-Tec can have the same thing where everyone picked the training stage. That training stage is a little more... At least it had some art on the walls. Yeah, but you can't just say that. Like everyone picked it. They did have art on the walls.

Yeah, but now you're saying it's okay if you like it. No, I already said it wouldn't be so infuriating if it wasn't like a test grid. And forcing cosmetics based on reasons I don't like it are not a reason to make the rules in a competitive thing change. I'm sorry. It doesn't change.

Also, Pat, I just want to point out that, in fact, the cursor starts on random. It does start on a training stage, yeah. It's totally cool. I miss understanding this. Because you always pick training stages. No, because whenever they cut back to the feed, it's always on a training stage.

It's totally cool for cosmetics to be cosmetics and stuff. And the fact that we want to see interesting things is totally there. But when there happens to be an even a modicum of a strategic reason, all cosmetic things go off. It's way more valid, yeah. Because it has a reason now. If there was none, then it would be like, yeah, absolutely.

Do whatever. But as soon as that exists, or as soon as the game has interactables, you know what I mean? I don't know if you wanted to do it. Well, interactables are the... There was a top player. But it's like, sorry to cut you off, Liam, but it's just... But interactables, obviously, but this is a less obvious

version of the exact same thing. There was a top player who tweeted that the dinosaurs distracted him in the Dino Crisis stage. Yeah, dinosaurs are distracted. And it's like, that's perfectly valid, you know? No, absolutely, dude. And everyone has different preferences. Well, I would say like, man up, and get good.

They're cross-tech. He's the best. Well, apparently not, because a dinosaur in the background fucks him up. He just doesn't like it that much. We'll play the video game. But playing at the level they play at when your brain is training to react, to freeze, you have, you...

Dude, I'm sorry, but if you have any idea how hard this is, everyone... So what you're saying is that the game should ship with no stages, except for the trustee. I don't know. That's not what he's saying. You're completely adjusting his argument. That was too much.

Let me ask you, let's see. Okay, no, you knew that was too much. And you're smiling. I'm getting frustrated. More importantly, the fact that... I can see that you're silent and thinking about this, because you know that we're right. Let me ask you a question.

If training stage and volcanic rim were not an ultra right now, yeah, what would the solution be? Would the scene die? Would the solution be... Well, people would just pick other stages. The solution would be pick Cambodia instead. Okay, so... And if Cambodia was not there, pick the other stage

with the most visitors. Under the bridge. Every game where you guys are just saying that you don't know about this in other games, it exists. They pick the state with the most visitors. I guess that's why I come back to what I said about SF5, where that is easily my most hated thing about SF5, is that that stage even exists.

Because now I have to fucking look at that. No, I hear you. Shit. And it's a fucking 10 more years. But it's unfortunate, but it's a cosmetic reason that doesn't trump strategic reasons. I wish SF5's training stage could look as good as Crosstechens, because Crosstechens looks amazing.

But, like, I mean, it's there, and people are gonna pick it. I know that those training stages were moodlet wilderness. Yeah, exactly. I'm of the opinion that if these tournaments were for money and not being streamed or have any spectators, you would be completely right. But since they are for spectators, you should at least do something.

They're not. They're not for spectators? They're for the players. Then they shouldn't stream it. That's like asking boxers to taunt each other in the ring. Furthermore, they should. No, Pat. They didn't stream it.

They did not stream Evo every year. Back when it was Battle by the Bay, you had to be there to watch it. Good. It's not for the audience. It's not for the spectacle. It's for the players that go there, dude. And now...

So where does the money come from? Now, the money comes from the players that go to participate. The money's from everyone that pays the money to enter, play, lose, or win, and get it from everyone else that enters. So is this for the players who are playing? Like, the sponsors have a lot of to get. You watching is... You, hold on.

You watching is a side thing that happens to occur. Then I will ask about the Capcom Pro Tour Championship. Yeah. Okay. Is that the same way? Is what the same way? It's for esports.

It's for making esports. Is the Capcom Pro Tour Championship, like the event that Capcom will hold for their attorney, is that also for just the players or also for spectators? No. Now, the Capcom Pro Tour is the first Capcom-sponsored actual official tournament after years of being a community-run thing. But is that for spectators or the players?

It's for the players, but the Capcom purpose of doing it... So Capcom's putting money in... The Capcom purpose of doing it is to promote the game. It's mostly for the brand is what it's for. It's to promote the game. It's to have their own tournament that they control every aspect. But it's a mutually beneficial thing that also supports the community that's been keeping it alive on their own for years

by helping them out too. So there are no events that are actually for spectators. When it comes to fighting games and when it comes to tournaments, the idea of a tournament is that it's not for spectators. So boxing tournaments are for spectators. Football games are not for spectators. None of these are for spectators. None of them.

Not anyone can walk up hockey games are not for spectators. Pat, Pat, Pat, Pat... You can't grab... The tournament would happen. Like obviously the marketing wouldn't be there and the fanfare wouldn't be there, but people would still compete either way. And here's the difference.

People... The presence of many people just allow them to broadcast it to everyone and allow it to be on that level. It allows that level of fanfare to exist. But people would compete anyway. So if there was no spectators, but why don't you have that complaint for hockey? Can you grab a couple of your buddies and go join the NFL? Or go join the NBA or go join the NHL?

I cannot. Can you grab a couple of your buddies and go join EVO? I suppose I can. There you go. If it's an open tournament that people, anyone at any time can go join, then it's absolutely for the player. Because there's no restriction on who can join it. But to be in a league that is owned by someone that is a business,

there's a completely different MO there. You also need to be a physically fed person and not like us. Yeah, that's true. Certainly. But the idea of these sports that you're describing are these are televised owned businesses that not anyone can join. But a tournament like EVO can still be joined by anyone that walks in off the street. That's true.

And that's the major difference here. And tell me that you can understand that. I got it. All right. I think then they should. There's no. There's no. No, no.

I think then they should do that. They should let people walk off the street. No, they should create like a proper league then. Oh, well, yeah. They're trying. Yes, they're trying. But why don't you complain about hockey always being in a white rink? Because it's not made out of polygons and you can't just like...

Dude, they resurface them and re-change all the colors every year. They could change it. They could change it any year. Why don't you want tennis courts to be bright neon pink? Do you complain when you see a tennis tournament that's on clay? Because it could be different. Different tournaments run it on different colors. Does the color of the racket being used in the game bother you?

Like, you shoot it like... But if hockey was played in a cubic test grid, yes, I would complain. Okay, well... If, if, sir, if like racket ball has an actual problem. No, you wouldn't. I don't think you would. Ultimately, it's very... To me, it's very obvious why that's less important than the things that affect the match. And especially when it's made for the player themselves to join and do the best they can.

There's no question about the priority there. But you happen to be a spectator. You want to see cool stuff. There's no problem with that. Just don't think that what you're doing is more important than the person that's there on stage playing. Let's move on. Absolutely.

Okay. So, I'll admit that you're right. But you hate him. But I hate that. I hate that. And that, I'm kind of totally okay with it. Because that's the big impact. So, I have now resigned myself to, at best...

This fucking sucks. Being the person in the crowd to actively boo every single time you had a training stage. Yeah, and that's fun. That's more than fine. That's what I expected. Okay, fine. I'm sorry that we had to argue that long for me to get there. I kind of started it. It's okay.

Because I mean, you can see it as you break down the points one by one. Just sucks. Really quickly, do you have that little bit of killer instinct news? No, actually. I just want to mention briefly. New merchandise killer instinct, these are now my amiibos. Oh, yeah. That will collect every single one of them.

Yep. Fucking awesome little tenon statues with little dioramas with a changeable... You can put the fucking hype beam in. So awesome. I'm going to buy all of them. I'm really excited for them. I don't care. I don't care.

I want a little... I don't care how much it costs. I want a little pull strip on the back of thunder that goes poop-a-peep-a-poop-a-poop. I'm not going to print that shirt. Yeah, you do. Yeah, I was telling you I'm going to print this shirt. And like you were saying like make it all comic sales. All comic sales.

No cap. This is poop-a-peep-a. And you walk around, killer instinct. They'll get it. Everyone's going to get it. And also Shadow Jago's move set seems really awesome. Surging is his EX and Shadow Jago's special trait is that he can EX all of his moves so you say if you want to surge it, it does this.

Yeah. And they're like, he lets them teleport around the... Like he lets them... He does his dive kick. He's just a fucking boss character. Which is called dark stalking. His dive kick is called that. And if you surge it, if you hit and the opponent blocks,

Surging it will let you teleport behind. It's the fucking core. Sharing is caring apparently. Yeah, I can't wait for Shadow Jago. So this clearly means that Shadow Jago is going to have 50% health. Yeah, he'll be at the Akuma. And I don't want them to stretch that to a full set. He's going to be in the set.

Oh, set? Yeah. Don't stretch that 50% bar to the full one. I actually just started with 50%. And like... Let him know. And like Liam mentioned, like it's apparently his instinct, all Keats would say about it is sharing is caring.

Which people have meant that Shadow Jago will share your shadow meter or he'll... I don't know, something crazy. Keats, you're rude. So like after getting in... I had a sparring partner this weekend in KI. This dude that like played a really mean Maya. And like we got some good sets. And like the controllers, they play...

I mean, literal controller, John, because both controllers on the setup were third party garbage. Nice. One of the sticks at the Street Fighter 4 setup was the standard edition and it had no bottom. So it would just slide around. So it would just slide around. Yeah, exactly. Eventually we pulled up chairs and just sat there because it was stupid.

The right choice. But at the KI thing, you know, like controllers aside, like when I finally got a proper controller and had got some good sets with this guy, it was like very much back and forth, really tight. I got to learn a lot of the changes, a lot of the crazy new breakable stuff and whatnot. Everyone at maximum can do insane shit. So the fact that you're telling me all this madness that he does,

I'm not even batting an eye at that. Because it's like, you know what, the game from between season one and season two has already become slightly more hyper. Yeah. They injected it with like a little bit of Marvel in there, all the air game and airbreakers and all that shit. Yeah. The recaptures that were recaptures before and like fighting Hisako and like just,

it's a wrecker that you can make a straight hit, a low or an overhead. Yeah. Each hit each time. It's crazy. Like, fuck you, you know. So anyway. Of all the new characters in season two, I still think like Hisako is like the most. As somebody on the outside, I have to totally agree.

Just interesting and a cool design and, but not overly complicated, but really complicated. Yeah. New as in, as in not including like old characters. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Like, well, the new,

Between her and Ariya, I think. New characters like made for this game. I think I just, I don't like Ariya's face. I like everything else. You already said it looks to me like Astar the robot. Yeah. Oh, okay. I can put my arm back on you.

Well, take, take, take, take a look at Rektro. From fun at danger, right? Yeah. Rektro makes her look like a creepy little, cute Astar. I don't like when my, like even transformers that have like two soft features, like a black arachnian. Yeah.

Is her a little like pouty lips? I'm like, don't give her Angelina Jolie lips. Is that what the robot pouty lips don't do it for you? Don't do it. You want your square metal lips. Yeah, you need the ones that claim. I want the fucking, the weight, the clean, but what's her name from the Jetsons?

The robot from the Jetsons. Oh, you want that sexy name? The Cones, the Nun, not the Nun. Not the Nun. The Nun, the Nun. The Nun, the Nun. The Nun, the Nun. The Nun, the Nun.

The Nun, the Nun. I want Rosie Mouth on every show. You just want a rectangle. That's what you need. So yeah, that was the K.I. news. I'm so fucking salt. Oh my God. Sorry.

It's okay. I'm still so fucking. Shake it off. Shake it off. I hate you. I hate you so much. Anyway, we got a lot of new Street Fighter information, the most exciting piece being the reveal of the character that was teased.

Mikali. Mikali. He's going to devour our hour. Looks really cool. Apparently people from Brazil can't talk very good. Yeah. So according to Capcom. He's not from Brazil.

He's from parts I know. Okay. Well, I assumed he was from Brazil because his stage is ultimate warrior. They showed him off at the... Because he's got Aztec shit going on. It's not in the forums. We don't know. Well, Nikali means battle on Aztec.

That is confirmed. So you know this character is made by Capcom. That's the right name. You know this character is made by Capcom when there are like translation things or the most basic rudimentary old-fashioned things ever. It could have been warrior or hunter or... Or battle or like battle man. You didn't have to do too much digging on L4T.

Yeah, no, no, no, no. So what else is there to say besides... Gullib's awesome. Once everyone gets there, hey look, it's Wili's slash Black Attacku slash Kedi jokes out of their system. Even though the character's white. We can start talking. And those aren't dreads.

We can start talking here. Yeah, that is a very astute observation. I went and looked at it over and over when people were saying that. They're not dreadlocks. Because they look like from a distance you go, oh dreads, but they're not dreads. They're braids. And that's how he can turn Super Saiyan.

Because he just takes the strings off or whatever. The difference between braids and dreads is dreads are locked in that to their position forever. Yeah, they're fucked. And braids are actually like an afro. They are malleable. Twisted into rope pack. Yeah, yeah.

So you can undo that. You can undo that. And he does when he pops his trigger and goes all Asura's wrath on your ass. That's pretty cool, man. So this motherfucker. His command throw looks amazing. Looks like a samurai showdown character.

This motherfucker is going to either have really shitty buttons or really bad life. Because his tool set is stupid. He's Wolverine. He's right off the way. He's skilled with the fucking Seismos thing. He's got a Seismos slam like Viper. We don't know if it's full area of effect or if it's targeted.

It is targeted. But he still has it. The dust kicks up under the people's foot. It is the V skill. And you hold back for close. And you hold forward for far. And it's set areas. Yeah.

OK. But still, he has that at the press of a button. Right. Seismos at the press of a button is crazy. And he has it combo after you knock someone out of your footsie range. Yeah. So that's cool too.

He's got a dive kick. We don't need to explain why those are good. A dive kick that he could cleanly combo into. OK, let's explain why those are good. Dive kicks and games are really good. Because it's a move that lets you change your jump trajectory. And in most fighting games, when someone starts to jump, it makes your brain go, react to this.

Do a counter thing. This is kind of how it jumps in. And then you're in the middle of reacting. And no, now it's something different. Now it's something on it. Now you're open to get ultra. Yeah. Dive kick.

He's got a dragon punch. It might be not a good one because of the way the startup. But he's still got one. So we'll see. But we'll see. We'll see. He's got what appears to be either a saber, tooth like claw, or berserker barrage.

As forward, that moves a good distance. It's a wall carry. Yeah. It's a technical wall carry. He does a short one early, and it's not so bad. But the long one is like, whoa. Lay the fuck over. He's got command grab.

Command grab looks so cool. Which when you EX it becomes a wall bounce to follow ups. Like he's got that stomp move. He looks like a boss. He takes you to the wall. How is he not a boss? He might be the boss. He's at least like the Goro, like the guy before.

Yeah. He has Robotnik eyes. And his design is this awesome variant. I don't think he's boss enough when you think of Street Fighter by the way. No, he's still close. But he's not quite there. Yeah.

But he's not quite there. Exactly. We got Ultimate Cars. We got Super Saiyan God. We got Yori. We got like all these visual elements combined. No one cares. Like he looks great.

He is more visually interesting than any of the new Street Fighter 4 characters. What about Viper? I include Viper. I'm more... He feels like a world warrior. I much prefer him to all of them. It's like including Hakon, who I love.

What if Blanka fell into a different part of the jungle? Yeah. That's what I'm doing. And I'm looking at people theory crafting already. It's like, well Gil and Yurion got their powers in a lab. Right? What if, like you look at Gil and Yurion's like intros where they do shit like Nikali.

What if they got it in a lab after they took it out of this guy? Yeah, maybe. Because he looks, like the moment that he bursts, he looks like Gil at the very beginning of his intro. Yeah. No, I think we're going to see some artwork of him on a Mayan temple somewhere. Or like... There's art of him in front of a mansion.

Which is not, it's not an ancient temple. It's like a mansion house. Interesting. So he might be super rich. I just hope he gets an alternate voice pack DLC. So that when he does his V trigger, he goes, Because that for some, when Miamat watched it on the plane, for some reason that was what I was thinking of.

Yeah, exactly. Or ancient ogres. Man, ancient ogre really gets it the worst. Oh yeah, ogre also in this guy's design. All the stuff that I like in my fighters. And also like, he's a giant super muscle man that doesn't look like shit like a bunch of the Street Fighter 4 characters. He's not wearing a thong.

No, but no, I didn't say it's Street Fighter 3. I mean like, I mean the proportions of Street Fighter 4 characters with their big muscles, we never liked it. But this guy, he's perfect cars. Like, he looks great. And you can see why he got green light, because the hair moving all over the place. Oh yeah.

The most visually interesting thing. Yeah, he looks really good for sure. Like, I remember Kani during her intro, her braid ends up over her arm. Yeah. So it's going to fly the instits of that. So like, scream is going to look stupid. Yeah.

I can't wait. So that's fun stuff. They also, with that the day before, announced the content's post launch details. Oh, and they are doing the things that we've discussed for years. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're doing it.

So you've got your only disc you'll ever need to buy will be the disc itself that you, the first one. Or your digital download on yourself. There will never be an update disc for this game. Oh, there will never be a mandatory update disc for this game. They will likely put out a season two, season three eventually. But there will never be a mandatory. This is the one platform.

It's a platform. It's a thing of rock band. And if they do make that final all content disc, that will just be like, this is for tournament organizers. Yeah, absolutely. But again, again, regardless, you will only ever have to buy one to be competitive. All balance changes, all system updates

will just come over patches for free forever. That's it. So you got that. You've got your fight money and you've got your zen. Yep. I wish a lot of people think it was Bison Dollars. I'm happier with Zenny because they haven't used their Capcom. Now, to be fair, Bison is on that coin.

Yeah, exactly. So they do not. I think it's implied that they're Bison Dollars. Right up to the last minute on the presentation, they were arguing this. Well, they were like, can we get Raul on the coin? Can we do it? Like, no.

So you got and fight money is the money you get for fighting. Zenny is your premium, which is your real cash money. Yep. And that's like, oh, well, that sounds like the free to play type garbage shit we don't like on the phones. No, because everything you can buy with one, you can buy with the other with no exceptions. So you can literally spend.

But if you're not good enough to get fight money, Zero, or you don't play enough. Or you don't play enough, then you can use the real money. Or if you just want the character right. Like to put it, I think to put it really well, it's the same as it's always been, except you have to buy less discs and you can get the DLC for free sometimes. But you play.

You can win things by playing. That's the right message. But like, exactly. That's the right message. The Lawrence thing had a bad message that fucked up its launch. Yeah. The right message is yeah. No, IGN had a bad message.

No, at the beginning Microsoft didn't dissent. This is. You're right that IGN fucked them over hard. But this is the exact same business model as League of Legends. Yeah. It is literally the same. And we were saying one or the other, that or Dota. That or Dota.

Whatever. Fuck it. Do one. And here it is. It's like you're going to get 16 characters a lot. Except for you need to buy. You need to buy the game. You need to buy the game.

Yeah. You're going to get 16 characters at launch. And every character that comes after that's going to be free for the entire platform again. And you just use the money you earn by playing the game to get everything. So even if you don't play a ton, you will probably get some free stuff. And if not, you'll probably get friends with someone that's really good. And you never because they're debating possibly having money matches. Yeah.

Where you could fight to, for fight money. Um, oh really? Yeah. Thanks, Lit. For money, for fight money, not for that. There is some legal. No, no, no. Fight money.

Not presenting. Then that's fine. There's no legal scruples. That's good. Because it's not gambling. Because it's fake currency. It's salted bucks. Um, I forgot what it was going to say.

Because that's so fucking awesome. Yeah. That's so great. Yeah. Just if like, say you don't play that often and you like Street Fighter, but and you pick one of your mains of the original 16. Yeah. Like because we had the problem of say you wanted to play Ryu.

And that's the only character you ever wanted to play as a Street Fighter. And you weren't that big. But you played regularly and maybe you'd go to your local tourney, right? You'd come back after a year and be like, oh, I got to buy Super. Regardless that you just want to play Ryu. Oh, I got to buy Arcade. Oh, I got to buy Ultra, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And to a lot of people that kick them out.

Because I don't want to spend the hundred dollars to get up to date or whatever. Here, if you want to play as Ryu when you bought the original game, play Ryu for fucking forever. Until the end of time. And you'll even get a few free ones on the way. And you'll get or you'll earn the fight money that you can give Ryu a hat. So when we were we were in the middle of a Team Four Star. Killer Anx thing.

Yeah, yeah. We were in the middle of a Team Four Star conference when this news was coming. And it was a drip feeding from a gaff thread that Liam was refreshing. Yeah. And we initially had a discussion because I was frowning because a key piece of information was missing from this equation, which was characters are going to be coming afterwards. And they're going to be purchasable individually. And I'm like, motherfuckers, don't do the blaze blue.

Don't do. Don't do the piecemeal. You're going to fuck up your thing. And then the last key piece of information was, but also you can get the fight bucks and everything's going to be free. It's like, oh, that just clears the air completely. That that fog goes away because you bought the game. And now the rest of your content is just coming to you.

Yeah, it's the fucking best. So that's great. That is great. That is inviting. And that is going to be really good. I hope they fucking go nuts with the like it would be smart if they went nuts with the cosmetics. Yeah.

Because what the other the League of Legends and Dota do, it's not just your hat or your costume. It's not just that. It's your announcer. It's your entire UI and how the life bars and all that shit looks. It's stages. It's fucking. Dude, they're going to put everything in there.

They're going to put the title like the user icons and titles that you get in your like everything. And I will gladly subsidize a thousand of you never buying a thing. Like like in 2020 when Budman pops back on the game after not touching it since the launch and he has to go through that insane content update that he's going to have to do. Oh, yeah. Like an MMO like 40 gigs. Where have you been?

Fucker. But then you press start and like it's a whole new game. But it's the same shit. Yeah. And you just get it. Yeah. That's going to be a great feeling. It's going to be fucking great.

You know. It's going to be great. So good, good job ono and crew. Termin organizers will have to start updating their consoles way in advance at some point. And I feel like I feel like there's going to be some cut. Well, I guess it would be the Zenny would be like just unlock everything right away. Yeah. Set up this tournament ready.

Capcom would have bought them all anyway. Capcom will just like if for everything on their circuit will just be like. Oh, if you're in, if you're in with the boys and you'll get. No, Willie, Willie's talking about fucking ghetto ass side shit. Yeah, I'm talking about like, um, I forgot the, what's the name of this shitty tournament that came up with early? Ah, whatever. No, they would buy all the characters anyway.

So fuck it. Tony's East Coast battle break down. Yeah, like it doesn't even make a difference because even if the battle money hadn't been like whatever would just buy it all anyway. So there are no negatives. Just now it'll be nice because you'll get some free ones along the way. Absolutely no negatives to this in any way whatsoever. And for me and for a lot of people that are going to play be playing most of their games online.

If they're going to go with this business model, boy, they must be super serious about that net code. Because all this just dies if that online is not perfect. Please develop the child that Dudley, that Balrog found into a protégé boxer. A dirty protégé boxer with powers. Who keeps around because he realizes that her powers earn him money. And her only difference is her rush punches have two attacks instead of one. That's what I want. And she feels conflicted about dirty boxing.

So that she can lose and say no bad. No, she doesn't know bad. My fight money and then it'll all come back. Be accurate. Yeah. Uh, I remember there was a comment. Please develop a character for this game. I saw there was a comment in here and I forget where it was.

I think it was on Gaff where it was just like Balrog should not be in the game or sorry. Boxer should be in the game and boxer should be the only character in the game that can lose fight money by losing matches. Oh, come on. No, that's good. But it's quite like, fuck you boxer players. But still, but he has a way to take it away from what like he takes. He takes 22 after the match.

He takes 20% extra on wins, but on losses. He loses some. He loses some. That's a 20%. And was there another fighting game thing? The tremor. Tremor. That's what I was looking for.

Okay. So there's also Tekken 7, but yeah. We got tremor in the house. Was there another bad character? No, they put up, they, they, because Harada. Because of the, the, the fucking projects, whatever costumes. Because Harada loves Idolmaster. And he's finally getting his chance to put Idolmaster costumes on all the characters.

The only thing that bugs me is in the trailer, but what bugs me is in the trailer, they show Paul in Haruka's costume and I'm like, yes, I want this, but it says like Paul is not actually, it does suck girls get to dress up like Idolmaster. I'm still glad they're in there. Cause the name of the whole costumes bullshit of the highest order. Because I bought Yoshimitsu wearing that dumb fucking shirt that Harada wore. Yoshifuck that Kuma. I want everyone to have one for sure.

Cause the Namco products are great. Everyone should have one. It's a bit of a bummer, but I'm still happy. Tremor. Tremor. Tremor is like. He's a rock ninja. Way to run, way to run that character back.

I forgot that it's like he's black dragon. He's not Lin Kuei. He's not a ninja. He's just a, well, he's a ninja, but he's a ninja that works for black dragon, which is like, you're not, you're not used to that. You used to all ninjas either being this or that. And it's like a third group. I'm calling it from them.

Like the three styles are going to be like obsidian. Not obsidian. Just the names of it. Like, like, yeah, it's going to be rock names. Molten. I'd use unbreakable, but I'm pretty sure that's already out there. And granite, molten crystal. And it looks, it looks like Jade.

Crystal. I don't know. It seems like earth or moss. He's an earth bender. And then he's a fire bender. He's also a lava bender. Yeah. He seems pretty cool, but almost kind of expected.

Like his movesets, like, yeah. He takes rocks at you. That's the rock guy. Yeah, he's the rock guy. His fatalities are fucking sick. They're good. They're good stuff. No, he looks cool.

Q the Tremor X agonist fatter. Yeah. Agonist is cooler though. It's my OTP. Yeah, agonist does rock guy way better. Agonist is fucking awesome. Something, something, something rock hard. Yeah.

Rock hard. The end. It really seems like what they did was here are the mortal combat characters we will be making for our DLC. And we know we can make these. So everyone record lines a dialogue, but we don't know if we're going to get Jason or Predator. So no one do anything.

It does sound like that. We don't want to record lines that we might not use. But it does make sense. But we know you can use it. Like this is a way more off chance, but like maybe like also like don't defame our characters or something like that. Yeah, that's possible.

Slash don't put ourselves in a situation where there might be a lawsuit. But then again, your characters are getting slashed and killed and blown up. What did they do with Freddy Krueger and Kratos? They didn't have anything. They didn't. Yeah, they just didn't.

Yeah, those didn't exist. Pretty sure people didn't talk to them. So there was no, there was absolutely no dialogue there. Yeah. No. No. Yeah, that solves the problem. Like don't like what if, you know,

something the bullshit happens behind the scenes and the new owners of the Predator license that get out of this game. Vox management changes. You know. So that's, that's a thing. Fighting games were big. They were.

It's an exciting time. Based on the questions we got this week, you really believe it. Hey, do you want to answer all those questions in one go? We will when we get to them. I guess so. Okay. Yeah, all right, really easy.

There's a lot. So, mate, you know what's fucking weird now that you think about it? And what's that? The, the Eraser Gun missions in Deja Vu and Ground Zeroes and the wiping away of the Kojima directed games. Or the non-directed game logo stay. But you know that whole thing that we went through and whatnot.

So yeah, it was just, it was observed that it's like, wait, now that the dust has quote unquote settled. No, dude, this guy's late. Yeah. That's all it is. That was, that was pointed out like within one second of the Kojima name troubles. But okay, but like, I, okay.

Right after it happened, the first thing I said was you can erase the markings, but the memories will always remain. Yeah, it's like, yeah. Do you think then that that was put in? I think it's very possible that it was intentional. I think it's very likely. The boat was rocking.

Yes. It was very, very possible. Because that doesn't even sound crazy. And I also think that maybe why he is physically in Ground Zeroes as a character can't take that shit out. Impossible. That one's dismissible as a trend because he was also in Peace Walker.

I would be totally unsurprised if he is actually a fucking awesome. I'm just having a Kaiser so same a little bit, dropping the cup because I'm thinking back and going, oh my God, before the controversy, we already knew. He already knew. And what are the games that you can delete? Or you scan Metal Gear Arcade, huh?

Guess that's nothing special. It's the Canon, the Canon games are the good ones. He either knew that he was fucked or he knew that whatever he was going to do to the project would get him fucked. Or because we still don't know what he did, quote unquote. Did Acid stay or go? Acid stayed.

Acid's all bullshit. And it was all the Canon. Even the stuff that he directed, it was really just one through five plus Peace Walker. Yeah. I believe you. The Pops, Peace Walker, and the original games. I don't, yeah, I can't remember if those ones vanished.

They were there. No Metal Gear was, I just watched. Yeah, okay, yeah, sure. But yeah. I was just, I just had a weird like, oh God. No, definitely. I think it's very liable that that might be on purpose. He was trying to tell us something.

Very possible. Very possible. And if it was, very cool. Very, very cool. Yeah, tasteful. Definitely. Before I forget, I want to also say, I don't know how long I can do this without it getting annoying.

Batman, Arkham's, whatever, it's night, still not on sale. And it's probably only going to be on sale, like in the coming winter. They said that they're releasing a midway patch, apparently. Oh, that's good. So there's going to be, not all of the issues are addressed. But they're going to cover some of that. That's good.

The only thing that's a bummer about that, the Deja Vu and Jame Vu missions is, I can't remember. Are they on disc? Because I know one of them's not on disc for the other version. I think, I think that's how it is. Deja Vu's not on disc for PS4 and. Vice versa. I'm pretty sure that's how it is.

Is the base one on disc, though? The base one is. It is? Okay, so they will never be lost to time. That's good. Yes. Can't undo it. Well, I'm not presuming that they would undo it,

but I just mean in 40 years when PS5 is down. Unless Konami releases a patch that deletes them. So if you buy both discs, then you're fine forever and ever. And like, what's doing it on a live, what do you call it? Live setting. So yeah. So we're getting, we got a few more, not many, but a few more details about the Atlas X Vanillaware

things that were whispered about. One of them was really rock solid. Didn't that just get confirmed like two hours ago? Yeah. So two things were announced. One, Odin Sphere Remastered is coming. Well, it's not. I mean, it's got a name.

What's it called? It's got a really cool name. Odin Sphere. No, it's not remastered. It's got a really cool name. Odin Sphere walk around again. In a circle please. But you don't have to anymore.

Shut up. They confirm that you don't have to anymore. And there's new environments. The article I read said, this is an adventure that not many people ended. Okay. It is so they knew. The title is Odin Sphere Leif Dressier. Yeah, that's a terrible name.

It's probably some Norse shit. It is Norse shit. New enemies, new maps. Alchemy system will be redone. Thank God. You can teleport. But you don't need to redo areas. Don't have to replay stages.

You can teleport. And fighting system has been readjusted. Is the boss rush at the end gone? Who knows? That's the only one. Who knows? The one that matters the most is that. No.

I think the one that matters the most is Muramasa-like combat. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Make it faster. Yeah, make it faster. This looks like a whole rehaul game. I way prefer to Odin Sphere's look to Muramasa. To other games?

Yeah, yeah, me too. Odin Sphere has the best. It looks really fantastic. When you play up to... Yeah, but it's shitty to play. Well, hopefully they're going to fix that. When you play up to Ragnarok, call me over and we'll... No, of course.

Wooly, did you beat it? Ragnarok? Fuck no. Because you put the time in. Like, I remember telling you where I got stuck, which is I was playing as Velvet, and I hit the Dragon Boss and couldn't beat it. And then you continued long past that.

And I was like, how much farther past that are you? And you were like 15 hours. Like, how? How is there that much? It takes like 40, 50 hours to beat that. It's insane. And then you hit Ragnarok and you're like, no. Well, you hit Ragnarok and the game didn't tell you

that you're about to get fucked. Yeah. Because there's no warning. To go over it one more time, the end of the game is a situation where you have to go back and use all the characters that you've switched between throughout the story in a boss rush, but you have to use them as you left them.

And with the gear that they had. With the gear they had at the boss you last fought. Yeah. So you have no opportunity to go back and collect and do... Or make them stronger. Or even get life back to prepare for this boss. You go in with them as they were, and if you restart Ragnarok,

because that's where the save is? Yeah. It's an absurdly difficult situation. You're just nuts. So it is the equivalent of multiple characters being stuck in post-halo-grenade quicksaves. Yeah. I have, I forgot the guy's the character's name,

but the little rabbit guy with the sword. Yeah. The prince. The prince. Yeah. Correct. I had, my save with him has one healing apple left. Yes, you're fucked.

And I have to go fight eight bosses. Yeah. It's just the dumbest design choice. No, hopefully he'll fix that, because they said they want to address balancing issues. Like, maybe we fucked that up. Maybe. Either way, I'm really excited,

because just saying that the combat's going to be better, the game's going to be faster and smoother. No need to do all the areas again. New areas. But the reason why, to me, that ending change is the most important one is because it's a progression blocker that's not an A-class bug.

No, sure. It's design-based. It's a B-class progression blocker where it's like, you could if you just did it. No, definitely. I hear you. What? I wish the look on your face could be transcribed in audio,

because you're getting kind of bug-eyed and talking about that shit. Oh, man, I tried. And I still have that. That's what that look means. It's that you really actually, for some reason, saw that and said, yeah, maybe I can do it. Because I, and the fact that I still love George Kami Tami

and Vanilla Ware. Yeah. Yeah, because they're the best. Speaks volumes based on how much, like, by all I have in my gut for that ending. Yeah. Or lack thereof. Yeah.

Anyway. And the other announcement is another project that is unannounced. And they just teased with some digital imagery. It's very future-y. Coming in September. Details coming in September. So that's at TGS, then.

It would have to be, I guess. Yeah, exactly. That'd be something weird. Because the last thing they showed was that art of Greek girls, the three girls, and it was promotional art on the website. Oh, yeah, that was... That was just their, like, happy New Year.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did the work. They did the work. It was very cool. And, like, it's like, that could be a thing. Yeah. People were just like, well, Greek is a thing. And they could go.

Yeah, they did a bunch of sci-fi ones, too. Like, a couple years back. Oh, love a sci-fi. But they're doing it. Atlas Vanilla Ware game. Well, they're doing it. That's what we're getting. It's really just Vanilla Ware, though.

Atlas doesn't relate. Oh. Well, when they first teased the story, it was like, Atlas Cross Vanilla Ware mystery project. And now... Yeah, but it's the same situation for Odin Sphere. Yeah. Like, Atlas owns Odin Sphere,

so it also qualifies for the Atlas X Odin Sphere. I guess so. You know, like, is it? Even if it's just Vanilla Ware, the path that they've been on of improving how their games actually play has been dramatic and fast. It's going to be Vanilla Ware, like, on the ones and twos.

On the wheels of steel while Atlas is putting it out. So, yeah, sure. That's expected. We have a... Why'd you just look at me weird? I thought you put your hand up to say something. No, I'm doing this. I'm doing my hand out.

It's like, what do we have? We have the announced Kickstarter for a fan-launched Zelda animated series. Oh, no, wait. No, we don't. No, we don't. It's dead now. Wait, where'd it go, though?

It's gone. But where'd it go? That's never mind. But wait, where was it? It shut down. But who shut it down? They see some assistive it. Oh, okay.

Really? Why's that? Because you announced it. Well, let's go over the... Let's go over the name of the... It's a Kickstarter, you kind of. Let's go over the words I just said again. Fans announced...

I didn't even get to see it. ...the Zelda animated series. You could... Thank you. Is it still on Kickstarter? You have to go to the guy's YouTube page, but you can go watch it. All right, what's that?

So, here's how you actually do this. We have a Kickstarter for an animated project. Give us money, because we can't tell you what. So, yeah, I don't think that would work much better. I don't think it would. These guys get a little bit more leeway for one simple reason. They put out and created a full episode of this show

on their own prior, and this Kickstarter was to get more money to do episodes two and three, and possibly a movie. And so, the YouTube channel was out and put this... And this was up for two years, and they had no problem.

And they themselves on the Kickstarter remarked that they're like, we've done a lot so far and haven't gotten a message yet, so we're just gonna keep going with it. And it simply wasn't on the radar. They needed to put the Kickstarter out and then say, hey, you may remember us

from such short films as the Zelda thing that we made. We would really like some money for Kickstarter in order to make a very, very similar piece of work that we can't talk about exactly what it is right now and have video footage of them live-action physically nudging each other and going, ah, ah, in length costumes. Yeah.

That's literally actually what they should have done. Yes. Because you can't cease and desist it because they're not explicitly saying that they're gonna do that. When I saw this headline that was like fan-launched as all the animated series is on now on Kickstarter, I'm like, no, it's not.

And then it was going to edit, and now update, no, it's not. I had a similar feeling over the weekend when I saw footage of the Resident Evil 2 reborn gameplay footage. Oh, fuck that thread title. Just, I was wronged. But fuck.

Can we create a nice succinct? We, maybe we need some fan help on this. Go on. We need a nice succinct, like, by the way, I'm like, quotable statement. I'm not, no, no, no. You and me, you need a song that has a little

bomb deeper vibe going on in the lyrics. We just don't announce your thing. I wanna, if you're gonna remake it, don't tell us about it because if we know about it, then it's gone. I wanna say I appreciate all of our viewers and listeners because every time I see one of these stories pop up on our Reddit or whatever,

half of them are just like, it's gone now. Yeah. Like, everyone gets it because we brought it to their attention or they knew beforehand, but if we did bring it to their attention, now they were aware and now they've seen at least one happen for real since that was brought up

and everyone's internalized it now. I feel like we need to film a PSA. Catch a slogan. We need a slogan and we need to sit down and film a PSA. And just put it out there. Fucking go find every Krona Resurrection style game from Unlight.

From Krona Resurrection and Bid for Power and go forward and die. Did you enjoy playing these games and just have that, like, a Simpsons-style text crawl where it's just so fast if you can't read it? Can't catch it, yeah. That's, and you might be interested in video game. Like, as fuck.

Every time. Don't tell us. Every time. I don't even know. Every fucking time. The people have to fight the temptation to, look, we're doing the cool thing. Well, that's what you want.

That's the ego. We're cool now, right? Get the, and the ego argument is the least forgivable. Get your ego when it's out. You had no reason to whip your dick out. Let go your ego. You just did it. Let go your ego.

The second argument is the financial one. And that's more legit, but still not good enough. And the most legit one is the manpower argument. I think that was the most understandable one. The Metal Gear one, where he couldn't keep it going. I need guys to help me make it. But even then, Recruiting Secret. Recruiting Secret.

You know what I mean? If you can. Through PMs only. Or like, like, like, bullshit videos like you just said. Yeah. Heavily implied, but it's more the same. Man, I'd really love to make a live action Zelda thing. Sorry, a cartoon Zelda thing one day.

Boy, I sure would like to do that. Is there anyone else that might want to do that one day? How cool would that be? Anyway, so on another related. I'm looking at it. Oh, 1 in 100? I don't know. I mean, I'm a really talented animator.

I have some cool stuff in my studio. Do you like Zelda? Do you? I don't know. Call this number. How about this Kickstarter? It would really be cool to work with somebody who likes Zelda as much as me.

You should come over to my house. We can play Zelda sometime. Yeah. All right, we can't miss this. That's not legally shady at all. And I don't mean that sarcastically. It came out that way, but no. Now, you're in the clear as long as you don't actually say it.

Other Kickstarter news. The Red Ash has just hit about 50% on both campaigns. Crawling, right now, kicktracking to actually making it. They should. I think they'll do it. Moving at a much slower pace. I think they'll do it because the last day is always spiking up. And they currently have a campaign to vote for the mayor of the town.

And it's like one of three girls or like one of three girls and then a fourth, like 10 year old. Who has a really good handle on how finances work, which I thought was really funny, actually. Like she's the most on point mayor, but she's like 10 years old. If you say so. Here's a picture of a wagon in front of a horse. Yeah, so that's there and whatnot.

It's a bummer. I wish it was tracking better. Like I understand why it's not. I'm not going to fault anyone for not, but I wish it was doing it better. I think it looks really cool. Until that game is out, I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist. Okay.

Because no. Did you guys see the unused Crash Bandicoot 90s cartoon intro? No. You are missing. The problem is that it's just like Crash Bandicoot. Is an unused cartoon. So this Booyah Grandma Booyah. They made this.

They made this actually for the game, but just never used it. But it's so fucking spot on. Yeah. Right. Because it was made at the time. And not just like with the DHS lines and shit. Yeah. But it's a parody though.

Like it was made as a parody of that stuff. Right. Okay. Not used. And now it's public. No one in the 90s was that self aware. But that's what's crazy about it. If you watch it and it's fucking dumb and just the perfect intro.

And like there's an actual episode quote unquote with it is pretty much just Doctor or whatever his name is. Doctor Cortex. Oh, Cortex. Yeah. Or is I Doctor Forgettable? Getting kicked off the discipline. I don't know.

You were playing. Yes. Because I played Crash Bandicoot 90s. He's clearly more famous than Dr. Muto. I don't know. So like the intro ends. Is he the guy from M.D.K.? The intro?

I don't know. The intro ends. From Dr. Muto or whatever anyway. The intro ends. There's like a five second gag and that's it. Good. Does like do it. It's funny.

The 90s were a horrible point. Go watch it. Yeah, you heard me. Fucking sucks. But as usual it seems like Splatfest is destined to happen while we're out of town. Well, yeah. Didn't miss much. Splatfest to roller coasters versus waterslides.

I think waterslides won. Roller coasters won. Well, roller coasters won. Okay, yeah. I agree. And in Europe, wasn't it? You're going to take off your shirt on a roller coaster. Nobody can see the thing.

If you want to ride it correctly that time, you do it by not taking your shirt off. Hey, no one got their head kicked off at a waterslide. Lots of people got eaten by piranhas. At waterslides? Yeah. What? In the movie Piranha N.T.D. Wow.

I'm talking about a real thing that happened. No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm talking about. Do you hear about that? Someone's head came off. So, okay, you know, you know those, I told this story like two years ago on an LP, but you know those hanging roller coasters that have your feet dangle? Yeah.

So some kid, well, 15 or whatever, just jumped behind the don't fucking come back here signs at a roller coaster thing. And the people passed over and one of some ladies foot hit him on the up and kicked his head off. That's awesome. And broke the shit out of her foot. Four foot. Yeah. No, roller coaster.

Do you understand how much force is required? Dude, roller coaster. A roller coaster is worth a foot. For a foot, yeah. To do it? Yeah. God, that's fucking awesome. It's, well, it sucks that that kid died, obviously, but like.

Sure, but he went to the place he wasn't supposed to. Those, those signs are for real. That's a brutality. It's a brutality. Yeah, it is. Those at a amusement park, the sciences don't come back here and machinery and whatever. It's bad. Don't do that.

It's not going to be romantic. That's crazy. It's nuts. Thank you, Liam. You were summing it up. You did it. That's a great story. I just, I'm just looking it up and it's like, well, it's fucking awesome.

I got to watch this video now. There's no video of this. I know it's. It would be too metal. Yeah. Condolences to the family whose kid got their head kicked off. Dang. All right, let's take some letters.

All right, it's letter time. His name was Turok. Yeah. And then he got, then he had Shadow Man put on his braids. That's not it. Wait, fuck, what is it? It was. What, no, what is it?

It's Turok on the gravestone. No, it's Turok. Name your baby Turok. No, it's Turok. Name your baby Turok. And put Shadow Man on your gravestone. And get a Taco Bell tattoo. I am aware of acclaims.

No, it doesn't say, you don't just say right. It's somewhere in the gravestone, Shadow Man. It has to be like an epitaph. It's an ad for Shadow Man. It's just go buy Shadow Man out now for the Dreamcast? Pretty much. That's awesome. Why did that contest fail?

If there are other contests of this varying level of disgustingness that we don't know about, send your information about that to superbestfriendcast at gmail.com. So if you also, if you named your baby Turok, please send an email to superbestfriendcast. No, super best friendcast. That's probably a different podcast. This motherfucker had to climb two separate six foot fences

to get under that ride. That's crazy. Well, now they can have a more descriptive sign. Man, Turok went out doing what he loved. All right, so Willie, what do we got email wise this week? We really wanted to break those rules. Before we started the podcast, you mentioned that there is a certain type of email

that has come in on us. So we got one coming in from... Every one ever. Star.star and the subject is fighting games. Everyone asks, hey best friends, big fans. Straight up, how many of these are there that you got? Like a hundred? They all start with, I'm your number one fan.

I just scrolled. Yeah, it's that, eh? Okay. What is it? How do I get into fighting games? How do I get into fighting games? It's always happening and fighting games are cool. When you pointed this out to me,

I started to cackle and laugh because every single year, it's the same. Every single year. So let's do it. All right, you should buy a fighting game that's good. You should play with an arcade stick with buttons. No, canva's are really good, but nowadays you can get a bit of cat stick too.

Guess what? They're probably all fine. Don't get a razor one though. Now a door should probably fine. Because they failed on stage at Evo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now, at this point, everyone is using Saddle Parts and Mori button.

Make sure it's, they're expensive. A good arcade stick is pricey. It's like 200 bucks. I would say buy whichever fighting game you think looks good and then play it first and see if you actually like it. And then if you hit the point where you're playing it, you're like, I want to play good.

I want to be, I want to have a stick. But then make it so good. At that point, you should also make sure that you have a lot of spare time. Yeah. Also, you need to, you know, put in the time. Rising Thunder, we were describing earlier, is going to be a nice little bridge game

that has like solid reasons for you to go possibly check that out before some others, if you just like the genre and want to get in. Ultimately, it's going to, what's sorry, it's just what's going to come down to holding your interest is the thing that you think is cool. Yeah, exactly. Like pick something you like,

but also see if you can borrow a stick before you buy it. Oh, absolutely. Like it is a heavy investment. And if you don't like it, it's a huge waste of money. And some people play on pads and they're really, and like pads are fine. I had the experience. And sticks are going to be weird for the first 10 years.

So I had the experience that sticks were weird for me for like a month. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I can't, oh, fuck. And then I finally, I hit this, this splash point and was like, oh, I'm never going back. I think it takes about two weeks. I feel like it takes about two weeks of consistent play.

Probably, yeah. And that consistent play is fucking infuriating because you're dropping on your shit. You're looking to buy an arcade stick, are you? Oh, yeah. Oh, there's a ton of great fighting games. The Slava Guardian. Out right now.

The only thing I would say about Rising Thunder is like, if you're serious about getting into fighting games, I don't know. Obviously, I haven't played it, but I'm worried it might teach people bad lessons. Yeah, it's possible. Like a bad habits, rather, is what I meant. A best case scenario is that it shows them

the layer of fun that was locked away. Yeah, no, definitely. And then they go, oh, wait, all the other ones had this too? Variations, I think. No, that's what you would hope for. So if you're totally fresh and have never touched one, think about picking up dive kick for like 10 bucks because that's the lowest basis form.

And if you don't like that, then that kind of competitive... I think dive kicks at its best when you understand fighting games, though, not when you don't know anything. I think Ultra is the one to get right now. I really do. I don't think so. I get where you're coming from. Yeah, Ultra's cool.

I guess we're off from players right now. Well, if you're a new player in Ultra and you jump online, you're not going to win. No, it's not for you. You're actually never going to win. It's too late. It's just too late. That's literally like, I want to get into sports.

We'll throw you into the NFL right now. Yeah. And you know what? There are exceptions to the rule, but those are the people that would hear us saying it's too late and go, yeah, fuck you guys and just be that good anyway. And then show up next year. Good.

Brutal slothate was a 0-9er. That rule was a 0-9er. Yeah, lots of dude. I think if you're actually starting, like starting, it's like maybe like MKX. And if you don't like MKX, you're probably not going to win. When it comes to like actual legit fighters, I don't even want to say a title

because it's like what looks cool to you. All say it's the game that you're going to like. All say titles. It's the game that you don't actually like, but you've stuck when you tried it out because it was supposed to be open. Of course. Beginner friendly, you're going to drop it.

Well, that's what I said at first. Pick whatever game. Pick whatever game. There's like 30 that are active right now. Yeah, drill fight. There's a fighting fighter. And there's Persona Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Marvel, fucking Guilty Gear.

Persona, Marvel's dead. Don't play Marvel. Marvel's done. And if you're not sure what looks cool to you, go look at the trailers for the games and see if there's any characters. Go look at matches. Keep your interest.

Yeah, or like you said, don't mention titles, but fundamentally if you're beginning, just get a copy of Virtual Fighter 4 and you should be good. You should be good. And yes, Smash Bros. is an option. Smash Bros. is an option. Any of them.

Any of them. Possibly with the exception of the first is a little basic. No, it has the most tax. Just please understand. The first is insane. Please understand. You've got to watch combos in the first one. Every step of the way will be a wall

now that you're joining it after everyone else. You're joining it not only at the period of after the heyday of the 90s. You are joining it in a period in which the people from that area are still here. And you're guaranteed to get your worst. And there's the new generation that jumped in back in like 2009.

And you're getting in six years after that explosion. It's going to be rough. Like unfortunately the next best place to start is in spring. Yes, so if you're unsure, if you look at it and you're like, I don't know, but like the SF5 hype is what's causing you to consider this. Get in day one with Street Fighter 5.

And that's a new game. It'll be as close to even as it will ever be. As for the people that are already in but stuck or hitting a wall or just uncertain about where to go or what to do, it honestly is just a matter of playing more and learning how to fight specific characters more. But also use online resources to help you.

Because there's the thing that you're looking for and the thing that beginners are looking for that everyone's looking for is this intangible thing that is, it's a feeling you get where when you're fighting this character, you know what to do and what you should be doing

because you expect this to happen. You know what to look for, exactly. Right? So like... I know that back in the old days that when me and Mooli were playing Balrog versus Blanka that he's going to fucking rainbow roll my shit off

if I jump in on him when he's waking up. I think honestly just take every character, go into training, find what their best normals are and just like when you're playing them just try to remember that and of course you're not just going to play one round. Well not every character but the character you want to use. No, no, so that when you're playing against other characters

Oh yeah. You'll see the opponent do the sweep and you'll be like, oh yeah, that was a really good move. Yeah, okay. Yeah, exactly. For the people that are already playing, yes. Yeah, that's what he just said, so. You got to know everybody's normals

if you want to be really good. You have to know everybody's everything. The specials are easier to remember. It's the normals that really get you. Yeah, that's it. Jerry's jumping back strong is fucking awesome. Everyone remembers what T-Hawk's dive looks like but no one remembers what T-Hawk's jumping medium kick looks like.

Honestly, I honestly don't know what his jumping medium kick looks like. I don't think I have ever hit that button and I played T-Hawk for a little while. And you know what? That means it probably wasn't a threat to you. Yeah, probably. But when it becomes a problem, uh-oh.

You will start learning that. Why is that medium kick working my shit? Why is it so ambiguous but only on Adon or whatever? Yeah. So that's why you watch those EVO finals and the characters did three things for the entire final set.

Yeah, hard kick. They had two, they each had a kick button they pressed and then alternated with a certain special move. And that was because that was a rock, paper, scissors happening and anything else they would have done is super punishable. Yeah. You know? Adon standing roundhouse, that long forward kick

that he does for most of that finals match is fucking amazing. And you need to know about it. I had friends that I would play that aren't very good at Street Fighter 4 and when the super came out and I would just pick Adon and just stand roundhouse all the way to Double Perfects

and they would go, oh, this game sucks. It's like, dude. Yeah. And I'm just, I don't, I'm not even moving. Just don't get hit by the standing roundhouse. And if you're not hearing this because you're not listening and then you're... How I do combo.

I'm gonna hear from you a bit later on, then goddamn it. But see you next year. I want to believe that most of the people listening to this will become good if not necessarily skilled but competent and like open players in the future. But a couple of you are pieces of shit. And you'll never be good. And you are going to Flochart Ken

even though you know better. On your deathbed. So Flochart Ken is not a problem because yeah, they're new, a lot of those players and they don't know any better. But it's the people that know better and don't give a fuck. They just think that they can Flochart Ken harder.

Yeah. But also you might just never be a good player. Yeah, it's possible. So in summary, download Virtua Fighter V Final Showdown. It's a fucking amazing game and it's only $15. And you'll win. And you know, like Max puts out the past two videos that are like how I get good at fighting games

and he very, very politely tells you that. And he's wrong because he's bad. He beat me consistently in Thirstrike. Yeah, but I crushed him at Killer Instance. Oh, did you? No you didn't. I didn't. It was like launch.

He was really good. He puts out two videos that are like how to get good at fighting games and he very politely tells people that it's very late, it's very hard and whatnot. We're going to be straight shooters with you and tell you you're going to lose all your first matches, all of them.

For like the first thousand moves to the salt. The first thousand. You'll lose. You'll lose hot for months. And it all started against someone that's shittier than you. We all started playing fighters when we were children and all of us had a sibling or somebody,

a friend that we knew that was way, oh you didn't? Oh you didn't start playing fighters when you were a kid? Well I played Soul Calibur II and Smash. No, Smash was my name as well. But I didn't have, I was older. Yeah, but I mean everyone. I'm an O9er for 2D fighting games.

I played Smash. When you came up there was the person you know, a lot of us, it was their brother, that was better than you at whatever. Like it may not have been your brother, Woolly, but you knew somebody who. I'd be my brother in Smash. Okay, but he was the brother.

You knew somebody who consistently beat you. You know why though? Why? Because he only pressed hard punch. Yeah, you told me that. You told me that. You mapped the medium punches to the shoulders. And in the new online world,

people that have been playing longer than you, up to a point, are better than you, period. So working past that oh fuck I lost, I'm bummed out shit, you have to get past that. That would be my number one piece of advice. You have to be able to lose and have fun. Yeah. But and again, like we mentioned before,

when SF5 comes out, you'll have a much better chance of being able to get in. If you're having a hard time now, bide your time, you might come around. Because until you're winning, and you know why you're winning, sometimes you win and you don't know why. It's very SSI.

That really wasn't the actual win. They lost, you didn't win. That's they lost, you didn't win. You didn't lose. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that's it. Fighting games are great. Someone asked an actual question that I was like,

oh, this is something we never did answer. But Goop asks, as a big fan of fighting games, we want to ask about learning the interest. Goop? Interest sees Goop. G-O, dash, O-P, goop. I goop. There's a dash there.

Oh. Goop, oop. I like the dash. The dash be silent. Oh, okay. Basically, they're asking about where did you learn combo strings and juggling to the fullest extent. Did you learn themselves?

Was there some kind of method you used? Yes, sir. To be perfectly honest, when you mess around a character and you figure some stuff out, like when I grabbed Kodokon, the first thing I figured out was he could do that launch, punch, punch, throw thing. But absolutely jump on shore.

You can dock Kodokos. See what people are saying. Go into a thread and see a combo. And go, yeah, that's the finish. There's a couple methods. Number one is you're just in training mode and fucking around and find it. Fly a lap time.

Yeah. There's you go to the fighting game website of this particular game's community and go to either the section or forum. The forum or the combo list. You'll see a bunch of combos. Go try them. If you can't do it consistently,

try the less hard one. What I did for... I thought I could do that one consistent. What I found helped me a lot in Skullgirls when I was picking up Big Band, which I can play to a casual degree now, is that I typed in Big Band Skullgirls tutorial into YouTube.

And videos came up with visual representations of the entire combo with the timing. If the fighting game isn't pretty fighter, you'll most likely put in guy and tutorial. Someone would have made it. And that earlier you made the joke about Virtua Fighter V Final Showdown. That game's awesome.

That game has the best online resource to learn that game I have ever seen. It's by a guy called AdandyEXDLC, I think. And it is a video entitled How To Play Virtua Fighter V Final Showdown. And it is a three-hour video. Oh, it's all low punches. In which he breaks down every single system

and mechanic in the entire game. Like the low punch system. From low punch to throw breaks all the way through. That video made me like go... Well, do you remember that time we played for? Sure, the time we played for. Yeah, but for people that can't do that three-hour video, there's usually an eight to 11-minute video

that just says for how to do this combo. These buttons are better than the other ones. And here's the mentality you should be in while you're fighting. Yeah, that was more for the formal question. But also, yeah, if you're just in training, like the game just came out. If there's a move that puts the character in any sort of vulnerable state,

try throwing out another move. Maybe it'll hit. And then just try throwing out a bit tighter. And some games, like Melee has probably the most open combo system in most fighting games, period. With all the movement all over? Yeah, exactly. So in those games, it's a lot easier to figure out

what can hit and what can't hit. But in some games, like Street Fighter IV, it's trickier to figure out how to lengthen stuff. Well, it's the difference between doing a shuriken because you think you hope you might land it, or doing it because you saw him jump. Don't do it if he's not clearly going to get hit. Like Street Fighter V is a great example of that

because we saw an early footage right away E3, people were doing jump ends and then doing like reuse, I think, was medium punch. Yeah. And then you could tell right away that the guy is reeling for forever after that medium punch. You look at it like, you could probably put another medium punch in there

and you totally can. It's like, you could probably put a sweep at the end of that set. You totally can. And with that, I enabled the filter that says if you have fighting games in your subject, into the trash it goes. For a little while at least.

No, no, no. Jason wants to know, should I watch Berserk if I know the ending? Oh, the ending? Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not the ending. The ending is the worst part.

Nobody knows the ending. That's actually not the ending. It's the best part. Yeah, it should be me as well. Everything outside of the ending is the best part. Yeah, sure. Watch Berserk and if you like it, even though you know the ending.

It might actually make it better for you. Go and go, yeah, because you're like, why would the, I don't get it. Well, how do you get from here to there? That seems extreme. Yeah, but like a lot of people have a negative reaction to the ending when they don't know the ending. So maybe if you know it,

it's that you already have the baggage. And if you watch Berserk and really like it, there is this manga that has the continuing adventures of guts. Yeah. And if ever you just- And just boat. And if ever you just feel like it's too much work to keep reading it, there's 10 Idol master games.

It's a lot. There's too much in my head. Matt, what's the opinion on the movie Predators? I think it's good. I'm not bothered by it or blown away by it, says Adam Fallout. Adam Fallout, you would be right, because I'm blown away by it

because it's way better than I thought it was going to be. Yeah. Low expectations were at full effect. Well, not low expectations, because Robin Rodriguez and all that. But yeah, I can see people saying that. I'd say that's completely correct. I agree.

It was fine. Schwarzenegger just recently had a quote where he's like, all Predator movies that did not have me in it were very unsatisfying to everybody. Like that's a very blanket statement, and it's mostly true. I guess he's counting AVP as well. Okay, here's the problem.

I know it's terrible. I love Predator 2. No, no, Predator 2 is only good, because it's the same writers as Predator 1. I love it. It's just an actually uninteresting premise. There are so much goofy, crazy shit in that movie. The only other real problem, Predator 2,

is that it's not especially very violent. Hey guys, my name is Hanan. I've got a small Predator figure collection. I'm having a problem with them falling and losing pieces. Any tips for keeping members falling? I assume he means he has most of the NECA ones, which are very prone to falling, because they have so many weird weight points.

Like some guys are heavier tops. Their joints are completely different. But you can get online very, very easily. A little black diorama bases. They're just a little black circle and a little peg. And almost all those Predators should have a hole in their feet, because that's what Predators have. And you can prop them up pretty easily with that.

They're like a pack of 10 for like 5 bucks. If you want to go ultimate, you could probably find some kind of hardening epoxy that you could spray on them. As long as you never want them to move ever again. Yeah, you can make your own base. Or you can put Velcro on each of the parts. Yeah.

That doesn't work. That's a way better idea. It's not. I love you have sandbagged the end of every single one of our answers. Is it even going to emails? It works. I'm not being sarcastic. I love it.

Caleb, I love the chattel. La di adiata. Literally. La di adiata. I like it. I'm really tired today. This one amuses me because of how Caleb thinks that these are equivalent things that should be compared.

I like it. Pick one to make a reality. One, a shonen anime about fighting games with light references to FGC, but mainly focused on techniques and fundamentals, as the main protagonist, main character fights. Protagonist. To becoming the best. Two.

That exists a million times over. Probably. Of a fighting game? Oh, actual fighting game? Fighting game. So like Street Fighter V though. He said FGC. FGC fighting game.

FGC. So let me read that again. Why don't you just get to number two? Shonen anime about fighting games with references to the FGC, focused on techniques and fundamentals in the journal. Langness understood that. He means like real life. Like that manga.

He means like Sehan. How about a guy play fighting a lot of people. Yeah, okay. Real people and fighting games. Sorry, my bad. Two, a Metal Gear Revengeance movie done in the style of Advent Children. Three, a live action adaptation of Death Note written and directed by Vince Gilligan, aka creator of Bricklebad.

It has a definitive end with nothing post out. Do you see the comedy in this question? That's a great cut off there. I unfortunately do not see the comedy because I don't mind it. And plus there already exists live action Death Note things. This is like, how are these three things supposed to be like? I think he's going, these are things that we like. I think this is, these are things that he likes that he might.

Death Note is a little man. I don't want an Advent Children style revenge. Fuckin' I do. Cause I do. No, why would you not? The game already does enough of that honestly. But I wouldn't mind seeing more of it because it's never going to exist in any other form. I don't want it to happen.

I don't want him right and staring at a cell phone, spinning into the water. I think he means. Okay, I was unsold, you have now sold me. I think he just means that he uses CG animation. I don't think any of you guys care about Death Note enough to form an opinion. I don't even know it. I had to ask you like, not you Liam. So not all us guys.

So don't let nobody. You could just change the people in places and it becomes a different story. Half of us care about Death Note, half of us don't. Exactly. What's a Death Note? I think Death Note's like, like fucked the way it is. Like, you could never fix it cause it's already been done. I just think like the thing that does, like cause post L it just falls apart.

Okay. I just feel like it's such a hard, I don't even need to know what that is. It's such a hard, obvious choice that one cause that doesn't exist yet and that'd be cool. And the other two kind of already exist and it's like, eh. I just don't want it cause I always know it won't be canon. What does that mean, canon to the real FGC? No, the L one. Oh, talking about Death Note, sorry.

Yeah, I don't want it cause I know it'll always be canon. Oh, I would love the canon FGC anime. Anime? We already got that. How does that canon? How can that even be canon? Get the cannons involved. There you go.

Have it. Fuck yeah, fuck. Well, that's fucking when you're shut up, Charles Barkley, shut up and Jen Biden. You beat me to it. You hit new game. That's why I'm pissed. Cause you're starting the way, there's no fucking way to go. The first thing it says in the morning of this game is canon.

I fucking, I chose it. Shut up. What's coming up? Uh, what's coming up? Hattiful boyfriends out on Tuesday. No, what's coming up? I know this is the wrong section. Hattiful boyfriends out on Tuesday with more content.

What are we looking forward to? Hattiful boyfriend out on Tuesday with more content. Journey to S4 is out. Not with the new content. What's the new content? New birds. Oh, cool. Um, Journey to S4.

Did you start your game? I'm waiting until tomorrow. Okay. Yeah. This is a very important question in the beginning of the game, and I want you to tell me what you choose. Okay. Yeah, I will.

Journey to S4 is coming out tomorrow, and I'm really excited for that because I love that game. And the big patch that enables more shit in Heaven's Word is also out tonight. So I'm excited for the new stuff that'll be out tomorrow. Con Bravo's coming up this weekend. Yeah, yeah. Totally. So we're leaving on Friday.

I need to buy new luggage because my old luggage is broken. And looking forward to seeing some friends. Yep. We're going to do it all the time. I'm, uh, well, not so much what's coming out, but if you guys haven't seen it, and if you're interested in the samurai cops, please go watch OSW Reviews.

Amazing breakdown of samurai. They, they tell you... You call them out to do that? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Good. They tell you why his hair changes. What?

Yep. You're off to watch it. It's not a secret of the Irish to just know that. No, no, they researched it. They researched it. You already know this, but you forgot. I do? Yeah.

Oh. Well, you go watch it and find out again. It's a good video, though. It takes them again for the first time. There's some stuff you will not have noticed in there, for sure. People's gender changes. Oh, yeah, okay. Sorry, not gender.

People's race actually changes between cuts. Yeah, it's like, you know, yeah. I started getting tired of that of the, if you haven't seen it, it's new to you. So I'm not going with the serial line. But if you, but if you haven't seen it, it is new to you. But taste them again. Was that ABC that fucking did that promotion?

We ran, I don't know. NBC. That got stuck in my brain real hard. And there's more Fantasia movies for us to go on. Yeah, a lot more. There's a couple. But what's coming out for these people? Nothing.

We have nothing. Oh, there's an Astro Boy. Astro Boy continues. The mighty Adam. That's sorry. That's the thing. That game will never end. Like fucking right to hell is pretty much

you have like one more part to go. I think it's actually tonight. Well, congrats. You guys did it. It may be tomorrow. It may be tomorrow. No, it's Wednesday. It's Wednesday.

Well, I mean, that's tomorrow. But I guess, yeah, a new LP will start this week. So we'll see what that is when we get to it. Your LP will be played this week. It'll go up. It doesn't have to start this week. It has to start. I hope so.

It has to start this week. Get it forward to it for a little more. We're a little dry. We're going to have quite an adventure. Parched. Yeah, okay. Also, I know I'm really looking forward to it. Are you really looking forward to it?

Yeah, exactly. Because Street Fighter 5 Beta starts this week. So I know you guys aren't as into it, but I remember that it's happened. So did you get my message about that, Woolly? Because I know you were originally disappointed because the timing with Conrad didn't work out. It was like, oh, no, Street Fighter.

But it will still be available on Monday and Tuesday. Yeah. So next week it just keeps going. I thought it ended on Sunday. Yeah, it ends on the 28th. I was wrong about that. It ends on the Tuesday. So next week's podcast will be very interesting to listen to.

Will it? Yeah, I'm going to assume Street Fighter 5 will just be on in the background the whole time. No, we'll record it. No, we're all adults here. We'll record it and do our jobs. Three of us are adults here. And then after that, my phone is turning off

and my battery's coming out. Of your iPhone for the next 48 hours. Yeah, something like that. We'll have enough feedback by that. Yeah, probably. Because you better fucking believe a console is going to Hamilton. Yeah, all right, that'll be it then.

Was this a good podcast? I think it was. It was very fighting focused, which is nice. Yeah, I like fighting it. On a scale of one to five, how satisfied were you with this podcast? Zero being not at all and five being fairly satisfied. Fairly satisfied?

It's five? Then I would say five. I'm fairly satisfied. Good, we did great then. If there's any podcast that's allowed to be more fighting game focused, it's the one after Evo. Yeah, yeah, I'm very sure.

Or possibly depending on the dates during Evo. Now enjoy this music that has nothing to do with Evo. What is it?