Castle Super Beast - SBFC 104: The DBZ Fanfiction Revue

Episode Date: August 4, 2015

In which we discuss our Horseporn.com subscriptions, and impending VR integration. Happy Birthday Friendcast!...

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Starting point is 00:02:42 You press start and you get an achievement called Mr. Ed. There you go. And you're stuck. No, the achievement is they put peanut butter behind his gums. In case you didn't know. That's how they did it. That's how they did it. That's how they did it.
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Starting point is 00:05:03 There's a siren and it's like yourhorseporn.com order is here. Mr. Patrick Boivé. We don't go. Come get your horse because the drone can't leave until you open your door. It's looking at me. Like I like the idea of the parcel. It's like saying like books for children but it's just a horse nick wrapped in a packing paper. It's flopping around and doing the crinkle noise.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please authenticate by filleting the... Oh come on, you went too far. Did I? That was beyond the realm of believability. Did I? Yeah. Really?
Starting point is 00:05:43 Yeah. Welcome to the anniversary episode. The anniversary. This is our second anniversary. Is it? Yeah, it's 104. 104. Yeah, I guess so.
Starting point is 00:05:54 That's fit. Yeah. 52. 52. 52. 52. That's 104. I'm Liam.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Hey, Willie, how you doing? I'm Willie. Unfortunately, Matt had fucking crazy wedding shit that happened. Yeah. That is the most legitimate reason. And to be fair, like I've been anticipating. Yeah, absolutely. As we get closer to zero day, shit's gonna be going there.
Starting point is 00:06:18 And it was the worst variant of the voicemail was on the wrong phone. Yeah, yeah. Why would you check that phone? And then the voicemail's like, yo, shit's real, get over here. Yeah. It's not that legitimate reason to be absent ever. And what time are they open? The same time we record our podcast.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Exactly. Yeah. Also, careful with that cord. That'd be bad if you... Oh, is there a cord down there? Yeah, that's shit. That's the make the podcast go cord. Oh, I don't wanna unplug the podcast cable.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Don't do that. Don't do that. If we lose that horse horn dot com thing. You should just export right now. Just make sure. Let's just ship this this week. That was good. I like it.
Starting point is 00:07:00 No, man. We gotta do the second year's anniversary justice somehow. Wow, it's crazy. It's been two years. I don't know if the viewer can feel it, but I'm doing a really shitty little dance. So it's pretty shit. Dude, I don't dance. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:15 That's as much as you can. I didn't even think of that. It was like a hundred. Yeah, that's the milestone. I also did not even think of it until... Good catch. Here we are. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:23 One member down. We're supposed to be kings. We're the princes of the universe. 48 years left. Yeah. Until we can kill ourselves. I mean, next year's three year anniversary we'll have one member. And that, oh no, doll.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Yeah, exactly. No, it'll be that fucking, the fucking talk to yourself podcast. Like, well, after the three of them died in that plane crash, this podcast been tough. I had no choice. This has been a rough year of podcasting. It's weird, but interesting because the podcast is the only thing we do that you can track this kind of progress. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Everything else we do just falls into the void of time and we just prefer not to say that. Videos! How many of those? A lot? Like, 1600 or some shit? A lot. There's a lot. We made a lot of videos.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Some of them are gone. You pointed out the FNF anniversary the other day and it's like, those aren't numbered. No, they're not. We don't think about that. Exactly. Well, we have been doing them for like a year. You know what? Yeah, the only other thing with a number on it is Mystery Box, but that, like...
Starting point is 00:08:24 That's no consistent schedule. Mystery Box might as well be a fucking random number generator as far as dates go. Exactly. So what we actually have here is... I want to say, Willie, when we were doing the Mystery Box stuff, I think you were the one who decided to have the foresight of having it be three digits. You have to have three digits. Yeah, me and Willie were both yelling like that.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Yeah, it was you guys. And yeah, and I was like, that seems good. And Matt was like, no, there's not going to be over. Yeah, there is. Yeah, there is. I remember the first ones went up and they were just numbered like one, two, three, four, five, and it was like... That has, like, at least 200 pieces of shit left.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Yeah. Dude, we all have some. Sitting in his house. We all have some. There's one right there that Liam picked out on. That's a good one. Yeah, I don't like it. That's okay.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Anyone who's had to batch rename a bunch of mugen sprites in a folder to the right numbers knows the deal. That's a... Willie, we can't all relate to that experience. All right. That is... All right, all right. Anyone that's had to batch rename their dojins because the numbers on the first ten pages
Starting point is 00:09:29 don't have zeros. Yeah, that's... Why would they? Why? Can people relate to that? It's fucked up. It's fucked up when they do that. Can people relate to that?
Starting point is 00:09:37 You open it up in C-Display and it's like, no, it's the set gross. Where is the setup? Exactly. Did I switch it up? Yeah, you nailed it. You nailed it. I mean, I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, camera.
Starting point is 00:09:47 And we're on the nail. All right. No, I've had... Dude, I had... One of my exes, I gave her a CD that had all of Gern-Loggin on it, right? Oh, no. Did it go like one-on-one? Because I had acquired these Gern-Loggin episodes via various nefarious means from different
Starting point is 00:10:05 places, one to seven, and nine through 27 were MKVs, eight was an AVI, and she threw it into a DVD player, and the very first episode she saw was episode eight. What a weird entry point. And then I'm talking to her and she's like, I don't know, it was confusing. I didn't see what the big deal was after watching episode whatever when so and so. Whatever. And I'm like, what? And she's like, oh, I just threw it, and then it's like, oh, this isn't going to last.
Starting point is 00:10:41 The worst. The worst. This isn't going to last. Not great. Oh. Yeah. Oh, and it didn't. There you go.
Starting point is 00:10:49 But that's your fault for not double-checking your... Yeah, you know what? It's my fault for having fucking faith that someone could handle files properly. No. Well, I've run into similar problems, and I've told, like, you've got to double-check the fucking plan. You've got to the point where, like, when I was telling people, like, here's how you run this game with mods, or here's how to do whatever, it's like, I can't trust anyone
Starting point is 00:11:10 to do it correctly. Here's how you do this. No, I'll just do it myself. So, like, the last time I told a friend of mine to run, like, New Vegas with mods, like, I made a whole fucking ten-folder set with text files in every single folder. Dude. Saying, fucking do this, do this, do this, do this, do this, do this. Just fucking put a batch file in there, and, like, have them run.
Starting point is 00:11:27 I don't know how that... I don't know what that is. So, I just... It'll do the work for you. You could learn in an afternoon. It'll use... It'll use... Is it a virus?
Starting point is 00:11:35 Yes. It could be a virus. Okay, well... Yes. Uh-oh. Because the last command there is... A horseporn.com. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:43 And then horseporn.com. What? No. The leechy drive has to be afterwards. You... You... You... You horseporn.com and add that to startup folder.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You reinstall the horseporn OS. The BIOS. So, that is as soon as you power on the computer. Yeah. It's just Winnie's and Nade's, that's true.
Starting point is 00:12:00 So, instead of your fucking, like, pop screen where it tells you what drives you have connected. It's just a big old horse stick. Press F2. The ultimate force. The ultimate force. What the fucking... Ah... It delete during BIOS to...
Starting point is 00:12:14 To go to the options. Yeah. You get to options in its fan speed and wobble way. The little ask you horse stick goes straight when you go to the settings. Um... Alright. Oh, we're never gonna get off this. Weeks.
Starting point is 00:12:27 No. Oh, weeks? Okay, who wants to go? Who wants to start? I'll take it again. This dynamic is so weird with just the three of us. I know it's bizarre. Because we're not fighting anymore.
Starting point is 00:12:36 It's unsettling because you've just been playing with, like, a packing knife and I'm worried. Oh, no. I bought... I'm worried that Matt's presence is causing you to think you can just wheel the package. No, no, no, no. It's because look, look, look. I got this one and I recently got, like, these two also. Pat's...
Starting point is 00:12:55 That is walking around showing us his knife collection. So this one just flips open like that, like scary? Yeah. Those are all the packing knives. Like, actual knives lying around the apartment. Yeah, and then this one has, like, a weird, like, circle thing. Yeah. I just like collecting box cutters.
Starting point is 00:13:11 They're neat, I guess. Well, it's because I used to work at a grocery store, right? So I had the unpacked boxes all fucking day. So I appreciated... You know, they gave you that fucking shitty box cutter just made out of plastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go to the store, you get a mass scrapper and you're like, oh, that's really nice. And then I got this appreciation for box cutters.
Starting point is 00:13:27 I just love them. It just happens. We just play... I got the switch blades that we got in the mail bag with the little flashlight. Yeah, I remember those. We'll play around with them. Switch blades? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Not like foldouts? Well, okay, one's a foldout and one is like a fucking switch. Because switch blades, you don't let... You don't tell people you have that. Yeah, well, that's actually super legal. Switch blades are not legal anywhere. Are they legal for, like, owning at home or...? A blade that purely retracts and is spring-loaded to come out?
Starting point is 00:13:59 No, that's not what it is. That's not what it is. So do you mean you have a butterfly knife? Yeah, a butterfly knife. That's why I'm at foldout. That box cutter, I hit a thing and it folds out. But the ones that extend? Those are super illegal.
Starting point is 00:14:12 That's like knuckle duster illegal. There's no place outside of that Filipino town where that crazy judge... Unless you're pre-Otter Mafia, too. Unless you're pre-Otter Mafia. Well, that was a journalist thing. That was the fucking best. They sent that out to journals and then the journals go, You fucking idiots, we're all...
Starting point is 00:14:33 By opening these boxes, we're all liable. We're all liable. Committed crime. Yes. I had a fucking friend in high school. We went on our class trip to New York. He tried to buy a knuckle duster belt buckle. In fact, he did buy it.
Starting point is 00:14:48 And then you'd have to go across the border. As we were going back across the border, the border patrol who came in the bus, the school bus, saw it and he was like, What are you doing with that? And I was like, what? And yeah, it got fucking confiscated. Fucking idiot.
Starting point is 00:15:03 I know that guy. That story makes sense now. He was also the kid who bought a bunch of lighters. That guy. My first impression of that guy was the ultimate and it was walking into a room and sitting down and talking to Willie and Matt and some of our other friends about dumb comic book shit.
Starting point is 00:15:21 And then a sad person comes into the room, hoists a laptop above his head like a golden thing. He says, yo, I just stole this laptop. Who wants to buy it off me? That type of guy. That's a good story. Who is that? That's so-and-so.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Lock that first impression in. That's the dark past. Ignore that person forever in life. Forever and ever and ever. Hey, we should hang out. No, we shouldn't. How was your weekend? Yeah, how was your weekend? That was pretty good.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Matt's not here, unfortunately, so nobody will bounce off this unless Pat watched it, but I finished Steven Universe and finally all caught up with it. Oh, you caught up with Steven? Well, you didn't finish it. No, but I'm all caught up. There's nothing left to watch for now. Isn't the second season not done?
Starting point is 00:16:09 Yeah. But I'm all caught up. And it comes out at whatever schedule it does, so I don't know. And does it do that thing like Adventure Time does, where it'll just stop in the middle of the season for months? I don't fucking know. Because Adventure Time does that. I only just got to the end, so I haven't gone to the end.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Oh, you just started and went... Yeah, exactly. So you don't even know. I don't even know. How many files did you watch? How many files did I watch? It was probably... What?
Starting point is 00:16:35 What? What? Oh, yeah. What is this box? It's probably 33 episodes, so probably somewhere around 66. Like they're half episodes, you know what I mean? Yeah. Are they doing the All That Man thing?
Starting point is 00:16:47 Yeah, exactly. It's a pretty good story. Everything that's 11... I feel like TV shows in the West have finally figured out the fucking anime thing. Because it's tight. The writing is tighter. Of episode length to quality. Because, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:01 No, and last time... It helps. Last time we brought this up, we brought up Metalopolis and they're... Yeah. 22 episodes? 22 episodes? Some people don't like that. Some people got mad at us for talking about it.
Starting point is 00:17:12 It ruined that show. Like when you're shorter, you get a tighter plot. Yeah. You get a tighter... The less filler. Taller jokes and everything is just... Yeah. Steven Universe is really good.
Starting point is 00:17:21 I really recommend it to you guys. It's just like... I don't think I've ever seen... I've been thinking about it. I don't think I've ever seen a show that is like so all audiences. I don't want to call it a kid's show because it's not really just a kid's show. Well, it's a kid's show in the same way that regular show and Adventure Time and Uncle Grant... Yeah, no, exactly.
Starting point is 00:17:39 It's for kids, but then it's... It does the Pixar thing, right? You know, I'm just going to say, yeah, it's a kid's show, but we're all on Tanzu here that I don't mean for children. I mean, like it's all ages. Kids will like it. Kids will like it, whatever. I don't think I've seen... It's child accessible.
Starting point is 00:17:52 I don't think I've seen a show so child accessible and yet with so much depth of character. Okay. I'm really surprised. It goes places, it's really fun. You guys should watch it before the next convention. I... Because artist alleys are just Steven Universe spoilers now. I've been thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:18:07 All over the place. And I saw Matt post on his Twitter like, this is my favorite Gemfusion. And I go, that looks pretty cool. It is pretty cool. I was like, I don't want that. It's really cool. It's a really cool, really, really fun show. The peer pressure wall eventually is going to crack away.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Yeah, no, for sure. Because I haven't felt a pressure like this in a long time. I have to agree. And the thing with me is that because I'm pissy and defensive, like last week I was unreasonably upset over something you said when it was adventure time. That? But it was the tone. It was the dismissive tone.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Because I was like, oh, it's so much better than adventure time. Well, no. I want to punch you in the face. Well, because I was being an asshole parroting Matt's thing that he said the week before. Like that's... No, exactly. You know it. You know that.
Starting point is 00:18:58 No, it's different strokes, right? But like, no, I like it more. I think it's fantastic. I was actually just discussing it yesterday with a girlfriend on the possibility of like starting to watch that. Oh, she'd love it. Because, well, we'll get into it, but go ahead. Okay, well, she'd love it.
Starting point is 00:19:11 It was a good show. I went to see God with... Wow! How is he? I went to see the Fatal Frame movie. I was thinking of the Japanese name. Me and Matt and my girlfriend went to see it because it was showing at the film festival this week. I was really reluctant.
Starting point is 00:19:27 He had a spare ticket, had to go to someone. My girlfriend was already going. Oh, you're bad at this shit. But I was reluctant because I'm terrified of scary movies. It is the least scary, scary movie I've ever seen. Like fun? I was not scared single time. That's weird because Fatal Frame is horrifying.
Starting point is 00:19:44 I know. The movie was super well directed. It was super well shot. It was really pretty. It sounded great. The actors and actresses were all good. Everything was good, except it was not scary whatsoever at all. It just wasn't.
Starting point is 00:19:58 There was bits where it got halfway tense, but it would back it off before it actually went all the way. So it's the kind of thing where they tried to build up drama and then back it off so by the end you'd be like, ah, but it didn't. Well, because it's not a failure. That's not a failure. I'm not actually marking that as a negative or anything. It was still really fun watching. It wasn't trying to scare you. It's a spooky movie, but it wasn't like, ah, real monsters in your face.
Starting point is 00:20:20 I like that show. It was a funny show. No, I know. I like the guy with the eyeballs in the armrest. He's definitely the girl with the weird thing in it. And it was good. It was really enjoyable until the last, like, 15 minutes where the film just completely shits the bed. And we were all talking about it after just how terrible what it did.
Starting point is 00:20:41 So like, it built up. Since Max's not here, you should just spoil the movie. Yeah, it was a big, it was a big... Well, someone's got to do it, right? It was a big, like... Oh man! Oh! Everyone complaining about that is so right and on the ball!
Starting point is 00:20:56 And every time I try, it's like... Every time! I stick my hand up, but the crash happens. And I look at him and I do like, what are you doing? And then we get the snappy, snarky response. Every time! Because after the chance, half the time, he starts describing something that I'm interested in, and then he just tells me what the ending is.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Ah! Alright, I hope his wedding stuff's going well. Dude, you should watch Ava. His robot is his mom! That's real. That happened to me. That happened to me. Yeah, I'm pointing at you.
Starting point is 00:21:28 I'm talking to the microphone. That's fucked up. Someone actually did that to Woolly. It's not a good way to recommend that show at all, like... While functionally accurate. This is part of the... Like, it's going through the whole who-done-it thing, and like, why are people dying and shit. And then you get to the end and you're somewhat satisfied with your conclusion.
Starting point is 00:21:48 You're like, yeah, okay, wrap it up. And then it goes like, a scene too far. And this other character steps out from the shadows and says, It was me. No. It was me. Austin. No.
Starting point is 00:22:01 And then that character explains... Hold on. ...the specific motives. I have a question. Is this a ghost movie? Uh, they're... Well, it's Fatal Frame, so there are ghosts in it. So that, if it's a supernatural ghost movie,
Starting point is 00:22:15 the idea that an individual is even able to step out and go, it was me, that's fucking battling. Yeah, no, exactly. And then you see this contrived little short explanation as to why it's her. And then it gets even more contrived as the explanation involves the main character forgetting everything that happened with her in the past. We all, you know, we all did grow up at the same orphanage. No.
Starting point is 00:22:39 You know what? The twist is they were twins. That's the trope, right? Yeah. And, you know what? I don't even... Don't watch this movie. It's not worth your time.
Starting point is 00:22:49 But you get to the end and it just, the villain who came out basically, basically had the two girls in front of the water and say, Okay, which one's going? Who's going? And then one of them volunteers and she's like, Well, up you go, into the water. And that's it. That is a theory.
Starting point is 00:23:03 And the other sister just forgot everything happened. So that is a combination of multiple Fatal Frame plots. It is. Yeah, I know, I know. And, like, that's awful. It's awful. That's horrendous. And Zeta removes the crux of both of the source stories of that.
Starting point is 00:23:21 It just fucks the whole thing up. It was a really entertaining movie, but the ending just fucks the whole thing. The water thing in one, I think it's one. It's like, then it's a sacrifice. And then the twin thing in two is that one of them has to kill the other. Yeah. So by making it that set up, it's robbed. And I can tell that from just your description.
Starting point is 00:23:40 Oh, that's bad. It doesn't work. Damn. Yeah, I saw those. I finally caught up with a couple shows. So I'm all the way caught up with Gate, which is really fun. I hear it gets to generic schlock later. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:53 I'm not caught up yet. I'm still behind on Gate. Okay, but did you get to Rory, at least? No, I'm on episode three. Okay, because Rory's the fucking best character. She's fucking sick. Is it one of those moments where the character shows up and you're like, man, the show before this character sucks?
Starting point is 00:24:07 Wait, is Rory one of the people from the other world? From the other world? Yeah, exactly. No, she's fucking awesome. And I watched a little bit of a show called Rock on Yusha, which I stopped to actually catch up on. What? It's like the typical fantasy set up of, oh, there's a big dark king.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Every couple hundred years, he comes back and then the heroes get little marks on their hands. Is this a brave show? Yusha means hero. Okay. Yeah. And then the characters get their tattoos from the gods. And it's like, oh, I'm a hero. So I'm still early and there's just the two hero characters.
Starting point is 00:24:40 But it's nice to just sit down once in a while and watch it. Is it well done despite it's like... Yeah, it's well animated and it's nice and it's fun to watch. Sometimes designs and the world designs and the character designs are really good. Sometimes you just want a peanut butter sandwich. Sometimes you just want a peanut butter sandwich. And someone's like, man, you want some jam? You're like, nah, I want more peanut butter.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Exactly. So I'm watching that and that's really fun. So not much to say on that. I'm not going to talk about anime anymore right now because there's a game I want to talk about for reals. What? Because on Tuesday, I don't know if you know, Pat. What?
Starting point is 00:25:11 There was a game called Lost Dimension that came out. That sounds familiar but it's not doing it. It's a tactical RPG kind of like, do you know future tactics on the PS2 or Gamecube? No. Or Valkyria Chronicles I guess. There you go. That I know. Okay, well it's like a tactical RPG like that.
Starting point is 00:25:26 And the setting is you have these like 13, or these 12. Is it 12 or 11? There's a lot of characters. This isn't really... You have a large cast of characters and they're all like psychics and shit. And they get shoved in this tower because they have to go stop this power at the top of the tower. Fair enough. And it's a tactical RPG where you're climbing up the tower and it's really fun to shoot.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Is it a free movement or a grizz? A free movement. Okay, no ring. And the gimmick is that every floor there will be a trader and you have to figure out who the trader is and then effectively vote them off the island. Okay. And so you're going through the floors voting off the traders and just going through the plot and stuff. And like I was really surprised because when I played the Japanese demo I didn't actually enjoy it.
Starting point is 00:26:03 Does that mean as you climb the tower you have less characters? Yeah. Okay. Eventually you get paired down to six characters. Oh, that's cool. Right now I'm actually saved at the final boss. So I'm there. I'm done.
Starting point is 00:26:13 I haven't played a JRPG this fast in a little while. And like I'm really torn on this game because it's super good, but it's got like a smattering of flaws that like... Enough that are combining into this kind of like... Like, well, no, I like it. It's still a... No, I don't mean like a whole game. Yeah. Just like, oh, this game's great.
Starting point is 00:26:30 But... Exactly, yeah. And like one of the main ones is the characters don't talk to each other. And I don't mean that literally, but I mean that in the sense that the main character talks to all the characters and you get your S-links and whatever. But the other characters don't talk to each other. Presumably because they couldn't possibly account for all the combinations. But it makes you feel like, am I just the nexus of the universe? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:57 But you never really see direct tension or amicability or anything between two characters. Exactly. You see the little numbers that say they're getting along or not. No. But you don't actually see them getting along. I feel like ever since like the early PS3 360 generation and we saw stuff like Mass Effect, it's like just give us one fucking conversation that you walk into the room and people are talking without you. Yeah. Just give me something.
Starting point is 00:27:22 No, that's what this game... I think that's its biggest flaw is the characters end up feeling shallow because you're the only point of interaction with them. Well, you're the hero. Yeah, exactly. And it would have been too much work. It would have been a lot, but it would have been nice if they could have got a couple in there where it's like, oh, you got to this floor? Do you have these guys around? Then sure, we'll make them talk or something.
Starting point is 00:27:41 But it didn't do that. Otherwise, the game feels really good and as you eliminate the characters, you get a crystallized form of their powers. And you can slot that into the other characters and they get their powers as well. So like you could have like your magic character who doesn't have a lot of movement and then give them the materia from the girl who can fly. And then she can fucking fly over the map with her magic and stuff. You're talking about different combinations. Does that mean that the Trader is random? Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:08 The Trader. So the first Trader... How's that determined? Like is there hints? I don't know. There are hints. No, I mean like how would you find out who the Trader is? You have to, like when you finish missions, you get little snippets of dialogue and stuff and you have to kind of feel out who it is.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Is this like a video game version of Guess Who? A little bit. A little bit. And then you have to use the main characters, his power, which is the ability to go into someone's mind. That seems useful for this. But you can only do it, I think, 10 times in the whole game or something. And they're doled out per floor, right? You don't get 10 from the get-go, you get like 2.
Starting point is 00:28:42 That's so absurdly limited. Yeah, it's really limited. So you have to be careful. And they try to pull a fast one on you at the end. It's got some fun stuff going on. It's like there's so many little flaws... Lost kingdoms? Lost dimensions.
Starting point is 00:28:55 There's so many little flaws and like the characters aren't deep and stuff, but I can't help but recommend this game. So it's really fun to play. God, we were talking about this in a video earlier. It's like this is really great, 4 out of 5. I was struggling and I'm settled on 7.75. Yeah, okay. Because I can't decide if it's an 8. That's a weak edge, by the way.
Starting point is 00:29:15 It's a 7.75, would they recommend thumbs up next? No, we should have a number system that also includes the thumbs up or thumbs down. Yeah. Like this is a 9 thumbs down. I don't recommend it, you. Yeah, exactly. No, I hear you. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:29:29 That's what Ground Zero's gets. Yeah. I'm playing it on the Vita. Really? You're playing it on the Vita? Well, I was just going to say on the PS3 there are no performance issues. It runs really well. Like I checked out some videos.
Starting point is 00:29:40 On the Vita there's some frame rate issues when all the characters are doing shit, but since it's an RPG it doesn't really matter. Yeah. I hear the PS3 version's great, so yeah, go check that shit out if you want an RPG. It's a good game. Lost dimensions. Sorry, I rambled on for a little bit. That's out.
Starting point is 00:29:54 But I'm really enjoying that game. Yeah, exactly. Good stuff. What about you? What are you even doing? Is that your whole game? I'll settle on that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Yeah. Because I usually jump off you sometimes. No, my week isn't done. Yeah, no, you're right. You're right. No, I'll settle. I spent a lot of time doing things I can't talk about due to upcoming... Whoa, yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunate. Yeah. Your subscription has been renewed. That's always fun. You know. But...
Starting point is 00:30:21 Oh no, I get the five-year option. Take it off the front of the horse. Auto-renewal. Why would I have auto-renewal for five years? Oh, it's such a good deal. Just abandon the card. Just abandon it. Then if the chargeback goes through them, they ban your account.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Couldn't have that. No. No, so yeah. Playing stuff I can't really talk about. As far as other things go, yeah, I have Fattation Movies as well. Yeah. We went to see Turbo Kid. It's not Turbo Kid.
Starting point is 00:30:54 Turbo Kid was built as... We didn't really get to talk about it, but I think we're kind of on the same page. Yeah, Turbo Kid was more or less... The trailer for this thing is really cool, and it was more or less built as Mad Max Jr. in a way. Mad Max Jr. in the 90s. In the... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:11 With 90s culture. With 90s culture. Yeah, exactly. But 80s music. Yeah. We kind of just feel like this sort of 20 years is good. That's a good choice for your movie. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Because 90s, man. And it has, you know, it's moments of charm where you kind of have like the main characters idolizing this hero, and like he has a cool retro costume, and there's some really good kills. Yeah. There's some really good kills. There's some really, really fun ones. Would you say some goofy like, hi, god, I'm like Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Starting point is 00:31:46 No, we're talking... We're like, that's some vicious ass murder. We're talking like, dude hooked up to a chair with part of his intestines. I'm done. Hooked up to an exercise belt with a guy on the bike. I was already done, and now I'm double done. Elaborate. Right?
Starting point is 00:32:04 There's some good ass kills. The fucking guy gets cut in half, and the top half of his body is on a guy's head. And the guy's like, nobody move, because you can't fucking see, because there's a body on his head. Oh, that guy was a winner. Like the mad world level of shenanigans. Yeah, yeah. There's great groups there to...
Starting point is 00:32:19 Not quite. Not quite. But it's still really, really, really funny in that way. Outside of those good ass kills and occasional moments. Oh no. Not much. Not much. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:32:32 And it's... It's like the kind of movie that exists in a better state in its own trailer. Yes. Yes. As a theoretical, like extended trailer. Like Kung Fury? Yeah. I haven't seen Kung Fury, but I assume that movie can't live up to its own trailer.
Starting point is 00:32:46 An extended trailer, or extended look at this thing in a short form would have been way better than the actual full flushed out release. I feel like it was so far up its own ass of, like, you remember the 90s culture that it forgot to be an entertaining movie. Also, 90s culture is terrible. Admittedly, like you buy into that with your ticket, right? Yes. You know what you're getting there.
Starting point is 00:33:11 But yeah, it just felt short as far as like being a movie goes. And you know, like there's some points where you can kind of go, well, that's fine because that was meant to be funny instead of believable. But for the most part, you're like, ah, this could have been done a lot better than this. Like if you cut it down to all the good bits, you have maybe like 10 minutes of footage. The villain was cool though. Yeah. He was alright.
Starting point is 00:33:32 I'd still, you know, I'd still say like, if you happen to cross it, right, maybe check it out for the fun. Turbo kid? Maybe. Yeah. Is this where the one guy, the kid, like, looks like he turns into Mega Man? Exactly. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:33:43 He's wearing a red thing, looks like Mega Man. He's riding, and everyone's riding on bicycles, right? So yeah, I liked that everyone was riding on bicycles. That was nice. Yeah. So there's that. That was fun. Also, that week, I went to go see a cop car, which was pretty cool, a cop car, Kevin Bacon,
Starting point is 00:34:01 and a bunch of kids. And if you go check out the trailer for the movie, the basis of the premises, a bunch of kids find a cop car out in the desert, and they're like fucking taking this car and like they get in the car and they start driving it around. And then Kevin Bacon was like, where the fuck's my car? And then the kids look in the back seat in the trunk of the car and there's dead body. Of course there is. So I was like, oh, shit, what happened, right?
Starting point is 00:34:26 Oh, it's Cleveland. There you go. Yeah. And so, no, fun movie, definitely recommended, really, really solid. The trailer for the movie kind of, it sets it up to be something that it ends up not being entirely good. But it's still a really cool. You're still talented, Mr. Ripley?
Starting point is 00:34:43 No. Fucking ultimate in trailer fakeouts. That movie is dramatically improved by you thinking it's a different movie. Okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, but no, I absolutely recommend it if you get your hands on it. I mean, these are indie releases, so it's like, I don't really know how they're going to be distributed.
Starting point is 00:35:01 When you get them, if you get them. That's it. In most cases, fanstations, things will be like, you'll see it here and then we're going to get a publisher after this festival and then we're going to find our way to your homes next year. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Copcar, Kevin Macon, solid. Also want to go see the animated adaptation of Khalil Gibran's The Prophet, which is based
Starting point is 00:35:22 on a super awesome book that I highly recommend. That's really, really good. It's called The Prophet. Okay. Khalil Gibran. Sure. Yeah, but it's like, could be something different. It's fucking just, it's just like, just well written and like, it's, okay, remember
Starting point is 00:35:40 that episode of The Boondocks when they're like, believe me, this is a good jumping off because I got to, to bring it to, to bring it to all of it. There's that episode of The Boondocks where it's all about the, the airmen and like grandpa's dead friend. Yeah. Right. And they go to his funeral and at the funeral, like grandpa, grandad's like, like, boy, say something deep.
Starting point is 00:36:03 And he's like, God, do I have to, he's like, I said say something deep and then he goes up to it and he says something deep. That quote that he says is from this book. Okay. All right. Right. And it's a fucking, it's a great quote. It's one of my favorites.
Starting point is 00:36:17 It's, it's a, it's from on pain. So anyway, this is an adaptation of that with Salma Hayek and, and what's his name taken? What's his name? He's the voice of one of the main guys on it as well, directed by the guy that directed the line. You went taken. Like the man, not, not, not fucking like Schindler's List. I know.
Starting point is 00:36:43 I know. Not even Star Wars. That's what it means today. Fuck. I'm sure that other people relate to not saying that. They're not Schindler's List, man. And how many more people understand if I say taken? Fuck.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I did. So that's exactly it. Culture is horrible. It's fucking, that's where we're at. But anyway. Burn it all down. It's, yeah. And ultimately it's one of these movies where like they adapt this really good story into
Starting point is 00:37:13 what amounts to like something that has, I guess, 25% of what the original source material had. Because it's, there's just too much. There's just too much and there's not enough time. The basic premise of the story is that there's a guy that's a political prisoner because he lives in this country and he's locked up because his ideas are like rebellious and like poetic and like the government just doesn't like that shit. Too much for the shit-ass government.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Too much for the people. Yeah. And then eventually they're going to like quote unquote release him and on his way down to being quote unquote released he has conversations with people that are like, oh my god, you're getting out. Cool. You got any advice about this, about that, right? And so he has different things he says about like on love, on marriage, on work, on pain.
Starting point is 00:37:58 And it's broken up into these little like, like they're not poems but they're just like stanzas. So this is like half book, half movie, half like philosophical treaties. Half collection of philosophical treaties, exactly. And each one of his breakdowns on these different subjects is genius. It's fucking great. But the movie can only afford to put in like five of like 20 of them. And so my favorite ones are not there.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Are you excited for the second, third and fourth movie? Yeah, exactly. And they're in back again. Revenge of the stanza. And it also kind of like, it makes it, you know, child accessible is the word we just used, right? It does that as well to the story a little bit. And you're like, all right, I can, like there's no way, like it's this or this thing doesn't
Starting point is 00:38:41 get made. Okay. You know, type of things. I understand. But it's still like it, the source material just goes like half in the bag. Just go, yeah, just go back to the source material, you know, less than half honestly. Okay. Because what was cool though is that each time he goes into one of those, those diatribes,
Starting point is 00:38:56 the animation switches and they go and get a guest animator to do a short based on the thing he's talking about, including like Bill Plimpton and some really cool guys that do imagine things with it. So, you know, ultimately, like if you know the source material, check it out. If you don't read it first, then go. Yeah. Okay. I guess.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Significantly better. And if you're not sold on it, watch it and then go find the book if it's sold yet. I guess, you know, because like the best parts of the book are just nowhere in this. Well, in that case, I would say definitely watch the movie first because you get to watch the movie and if you really like it, you get to go, oh, the best parts aren't even in that. Unless it spoils the ending or something. Yeah, but it doesn't sound like the ending actually. No, it doesn't.
Starting point is 00:39:38 No, it doesn't. It doesn't matter at all. Like, you know. Okay. I guess the ending right now probably. Yeah. Well, I just did air quotes. I did air quotes about quote unquote release.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Exactly. The ending doesn't matter. The actual story in between each of these pieces doesn't matter. It's just a loosely held together thing. No, that's what it sounds like for sure. A collection of pieces about it. It's like an anime that just has its plot there for tits and action. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:01 Except now it's smart talks. Khalil Qibran wanted to talk about life and he made a thinly veiled story to go in between the pieces on the line. I tricked you morons. There's no story here. Barely, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:12 So there was that. And then I guess the last thing I'll mention is I watched the Kill the Kill dub, finished off with the girlfriend yesterday and are you the only one? Are you the only one who watched the dub? Liam, you watched the dub? No, I didn't watch the dub. I watched like one episode and I was like, that's all right. It's inoffensive and by the end I'm like, yeah, this is fun.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Okay. It's totally fun. It doesn't have the girl in lock and problem. You turn it on and hear a character speak and you go, fuck this. No. And turn it off. And that's surprisingly it doesn't because like the main cast all are pretty one to one with the pitch and intonation of their voices.
Starting point is 00:40:46 So even if the delivery for certain characters is not as strong, they sound almost like the Japanese actors were trying to speak English. Because they got them so close. That's how I would want it. Yeah. That's how I would want it. So they prioritized them sounding alike to the Japanese voice actors, then to talent. Well, because tempo in this, in something hot-blooded, tempo is more important than
Starting point is 00:41:10 accuracy. Yeah. And so what ends up happening is the characters who do, who are the best acted, like just kill it, which are Mako, Nanon. Nanon is really cool. Nanon, Mako. I can see a pair. I can see that character type translating to Americans very easily.
Starting point is 00:41:27 And the fucking the Osaka King there. Oh, how are they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zenny. Zenny, Zenny. Whatever is fucking Takara. Takara. Takara.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Thank you. Heal it. All in all, totally watchable though. And that also led to me finally watching the extra episodes you're talking about. Oh, yeah. But you know what, dude? You know what? Like, I watched it and I was like, okay, once.
Starting point is 00:41:53 So yeah, I guess I won't spoil it in case like you haven't gotten around to it. I completely forgot it existed. It starts going and then you're kind of like, wait, what are you doing? Why is this happening? You don't need to do this. And then like, when they do explain why it's happening and what the little extra adventure is about, you kind of go, oh, yeah, right. Like it's a loose end that I didn't feel like I needed.
Starting point is 00:42:18 I didn't know. But it's just a little side adventure, but it's it's attack of the reused animation. Oh, no. But but like the explanation for the loose end is like fair enough that is a loose end if you have to go find one. Yeah, it's it's the kind of loose end that I'd rather just be left. You can forget about it. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:42:36 You can forget about it. I don't know. I don't think I was that strong. After the finale, like I hate when something it brings it down a little bit and that admittedly admittedly like it is nowhere near as strong as that you can't surpass that. But I kind of look at it. If you look at it as just like an epilogue, as it were, yeah, it's it's I thought I thought like at the time, which was so shortly after the ending, it was just like, it felt the
Starting point is 00:42:57 problem. The problem is that maybe this far after, I don't know, but like when I watched it with time, I was like, oh, problem with that is a kill a kill has an epilogue and it's and it's credits. So and there's no speech. So and it's a perfect denouement. And yeah, well, and so this actually enhances that a little bit. Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Got a little bit. It makes that like is the actual epilogue canonically determined. It's not even about that. I don't care anymore. Yeah. Well, and you can have this debate back and forth, although it's interesting because I immediately presented that to my girlfriend and started going like, all right, so this is what the internet is arguing.
Starting point is 00:43:39 There's two OTPs here. Is she over option number three and not even option number three, but like, it's funny because it's like, if you think about it, the one that people like, which is the the Mako X Matoi, yeah, option is the one where Matoi, you can't even say like, that's the one people like because everyone likes the other one too. Like, I like that one. I'm all about the game. You're like, oh, it's great.
Starting point is 00:44:12 It's great emotions. But the Mako X Matoi option, the one thing about it that I never that she pointed out that I never thought of is the fact that in that situation, Matoi would probably be a really shitty partner. Oh, yeah. He probably terrible abusive at just getting it or hanging out or being totally super cool when any shape or form. So it's like, if you want to go for this, also acknowledge that you're condemning Mako
Starting point is 00:44:35 to not being as happy as she could be. She's good for the task she was creating for her. But like, I feel like the envelope, like, shing for kill a kill, like, I feel like if it's like you finish Crisis Core and you watch the credits and then you get a bit with Cloud where he's like, my best friend Zach died and I'm finally ready to begin my adventure. Final Fantasy VII. That almost happened. You know, that's kind of how I feel about it.
Starting point is 00:45:01 Did you watch the post-credits? Oh boy, did I. That? It's almost. Almost. But there's no speech. But that's what I'm saying. Like, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Like, when I'm looking at the kill a kill one and it's like, let's fight clones of ourselves, it's like, oh, what a shitty fucking trope idea. That first part, yeah. But like I said, it's, it. I get it. No, I get it. Yeah. It's like, it could have been, if it was just that and then rushed to the end, fuck that.
Starting point is 00:45:26 Yeah. But the little, the little explanations are like, ah, right, I don't remember, right. Unless you get a, you get a cool flashback scene that I thought was cool, where you see. Oh, it's nifty for sure. Yeah. You see some characters wearing like different looks from like their Lalli Lubello days. Yeah. There's some stuff in there.
Starting point is 00:45:45 So that was fun. Did you get to see the Attack on Titan movie? Or? That's tomorrow. Oh, that's tomorrow. Okay. I thought it was that week. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:54 That is tomorrow. So if you're listening to this on the day that this podcast usually comes out, there's a possibility that Woolly might be miserable right now. So check Twitter and you'll find out. I do. I'm excited to hear. Yeah. Because I have no words.
Starting point is 00:46:05 We're excited to go, but we know what to expect. All I want to know is the crowd noise on the one moment. On the moment. As to whether or not it's cheers, gasps, squeeze, or booze. I hope it's booze. I hope it's booze. And food being thrown. I'm not, I'm expecting, ugh, you know, dog famous arrow, just ugh.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Yeah, exactly. Ever since you said that last week, that's just like long, but even more disgusted than that. Yeah. Just ugh. The bile is coming up. Exactly. Look at that dog type.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Ugh. Ugh. That's awful. I heard they cut Levi from the movie too. That is absurd. Are you kidding me? I'm pretty sure Levi got cut for the movie as well. Action star slash fan girl favorite.
Starting point is 00:47:02 Holy shit. I'm pretty sure he was cut because they didn't have to get a European-looking actor for him. Wow. No way. I'm pretty sure. Oh, I'm excited. Let me just make sure of that, but like.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Oh. I'm excited. Between the kiss and that, like. Oh, that's character in the show. What we're looking for is we're looking for some CG moments. Dude, the CG looks terrible. Japanese live action movie. We're looking for some CG moments and we're looking for some 3D maneuver gearing.
Starting point is 00:47:35 People may not know this, but part of the reason why anime is so big in Japan is that the fucking Japanese for real movie industry is broke compared to Hollywood. Yeah. Their resources are shit. Dude, look at any Kamen Rider show and look at the monster of the week. No, but those are really different. It's like, oh, you opened up Poser. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:57 No, Levi's not enough. Oh my God. Wow, dude, that's more upsetting than the kiss. That's really bad. That's way more upsetting. You fucking ruined my night. They had thought to maybe change Levi's name to a Japanese one so that he would fit with the cast, but they opted to just cut him.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Because why go hire somebody? Why cast somebody? The entire. The fucking Japanese film industry. I don't think I've seen more than five Japanese films that I actually think are fantastic. In this particular case, it's extra aggressive because the Attack on Titan, in your Shonen, you have your lower cast and your upper cast. The upper cast is above the main characters and just they stand over there and they look
Starting point is 00:48:41 cool and then the main character goes, oh, there's a problem and then a lightning bolt happens and then the upper cast comes and saves them. Attack on Titan probably has the widest gulf between those two groups in terms of interesting. Every character above them in the ranking is fucking awesome and half of the loser group are losers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Man. And to cut those cut.
Starting point is 00:49:09 To remove any one of those pieces. They cut Hachi or what's her name again? Sorry? What's her name again? I don't know. The girl in the back. The last girl, yeah. I only know that Levi was cut.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Like you said is the most interesting part of the story. They cut Levi for not looking European enough in acting form. Like where the fuck does Erwin go? I don't think that's... Dude, I don't know. I'm not even thinking of that. Just bleach Gax's hair again. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:32 He can do it. Just give him a fucking prosthetic nose. Well, let's just pretend. Gax will do it but you can't put the movie in cinemas. Let's just pretend that the blonde characters are just Japanese people with bleached hair. Yeah. Call it a day. Like we always do.
Starting point is 00:49:46 Right. So that's that. Well, you know what? I will report back next week. I really want to know. No, you're going to report back tomorrow night on Facebook. Goddamn. Fuck.
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Starting point is 00:54:05 just confuses me. So we're not going to do my week at all? We're not going to do Pat's week. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so used to going last. I'm so, and I was looking at the, and I was looking at the time. You're ready.
Starting point is 00:54:19 You're working yourself up to it. I'm looking at it. And you do the, you do the little finger thing. So let's move on. I'm like, okay. Well, no, it's honestly because we're at like around the 50 minute mark, which is usually around the time when we start growing up. Yeah, but it's fine.
Starting point is 00:54:33 Dude, sorry. Let's just go on loose. I played, I played some games. I played a shitload of Rising Thunder, which I'm shocked that neither of you talked about. Well, you are playing it. I'm not. I, like, I'd like to play it. No, it's because William and I were talking about it and playing it before the podcast.
Starting point is 00:54:46 I also assumed you were going to bring it up. Dude, that game is for real. That game is something special. Yep. And Plague likes it. Plague got into it. That's odd. He sucks.
Starting point is 00:54:59 And he is connection so bad that he can barely do anything, but he actually like gets fighting games. Right. And Plague is fucking terrible. I don't know if you've talked to Plague about playing. Oh, yeah. He is fucking terrible. So good.
Starting point is 00:55:13 That's what I want. So here's the part where like, so people have heard us going like, this game is cool. This game is great. Right. And a lot of people are like, I don't believe you. Yeah. It's the response that we're getting. It's an hour and so we need to bring the discussion that we had prior to recording that to the
Starting point is 00:55:30 podcast, which is what are the hindrances from making this the next big thing? People don't like robots because there's the people that don't like robots straight up that just can't get into robots. Robots are dumb. Can't get into the look. Fucking people. The people that just don't think there's enough assets or characters yet is another thing. Well, they are unlimited.
Starting point is 00:55:51 I think one of the major things. Obviously this will sort itself out is like, we just don't know the feature set for the final build. That's your big thing for sure. Yeah. Yeah. There's stuff like one of the modes we're going to get. There's stuff like local that I will not be happy if it's not available.
Starting point is 00:56:08 Just taking a consensus of the comments though. Yeah. It's definitely those two things. And then a third one, which is it just looks stale to some people. They just think the game just looks dry. It's not flashing on. It's not enough going on, not pumped enough, you know. It's better than flashy.
Starting point is 00:56:26 It's solid. And that, unfortunately, I wish, dude, solid doesn't sell. I wish I could make it sell with just solid. But it can't. But it doesn't work. And it fucking sucks. Or we'd all be playing Virtua Fighter. We'd all be, there'd be 800.
Starting point is 00:56:40 I'd play Virtua Fighter. Yeah, I don't think so. But you say that. Yeah. No. That is a fantastic analogy. If solid sold, right? And Virtua Fighter would be the biggest thing ever.
Starting point is 00:56:57 That would be the biggest thing ever. Also, we wouldn't have to be the evangelists for character action. Because everybody would be in that. Every character action would be Call of Duty, you understand. But the problem is that solid doesn't sell. So like, I'm looking at this like, okay, what other type of sell do we have for this? And there isn't really much. If you're not seeing it, then unfortunately you just gotta touch.
Starting point is 00:57:21 So the solution to one and three are the game has to come out. Because when the game comes out, it's going to be funded purely through cosmetics. Well, and also people can play it. Yes. Because I see people asking for codes. No, but I'm talking about robots and flash. Those two problems. Oh, sorry.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Since it's going to be funded through cosmetics only, there will be, even if you don't like robots, one of those costumes or colors is going to be the robot that you like. Yes. Like, I'm looking, we broke it down while looking at that roster. Every single one of those robots, you just change the colors a little bit. And it's that robot from that. Or is that fucking, fucking Edge is already going on. This is my Power Quest sequel, if it never happened.
Starting point is 00:58:04 I've already said that. But here's the thing, is like, more people look at a game like Secular Instinct, because obviously that's based on something they remembered or whatnot. Just like, I really want to play this, but I don't have the console for it. So fuck it, right? But Rising Thunder will be completely free. There's that. There's that.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Now, here's my theory, right? If Rising Thunder came out and had the cast of Overwatch, then we'd have the guaranteed new hit. Yeah, because people go, I like Gun Guy. People are easier to relate to. Right? You'd see all the characters in the fixes. Like straight up, I also think that the character design message that they have in Rising Thunder did not get across.
Starting point is 00:58:42 I think a lot of people don't even know that they're giant mechs. I don't even know if they're giant. They are. Are they giant? Yeah. They're not building-sized. But they're huge mechs. Are they 14 meters tall?
Starting point is 00:58:53 They're piloted. They're not people-sized. There's a person in them. Okay. I think that they haven't been able to get that across. I think they're kind of like Voltaum-sized. You could look at the grass on the ground and the fucking ship. All they need is just another stage.
Starting point is 00:59:10 With a city in the back. In which it becomes more aggressive that there's a Ferris wheel right next to one of them. Something that you can't ignore. There's definitely budget and technical reasons why they went with the robots. I mean, you talked about this a lot. With robots, you get clean lines. You get smooth, rounded, clean lines. On a PC game that has to scale like crazy, you can go up and down all over.
Starting point is 00:59:34 At the highest end, it looks super high-res, and you can get high-res textures. But at the low end, the game will run. Those are easier models to make. Robots are always easier. They don't animate as hard. Exactly. That looks a little robotic. People can catch fucking Vlad's animation.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Yeah, it's great. It looks amazing. People will catch the Janken in He-Man Ken's hair from Street Fighter IV. Within two seconds. Within two seconds, despite everything else looking fine. It's a harder thing to do for sure. But budget and technical reasons aside, it's like, yeah, you can't sell solid. Unless you touch it.
Starting point is 01:00:08 But even then, if you don't know what to look for, if you're just being told it's solid, that doesn't mean anything to you. I still think it's too early to speak, because when it launches, it's going to matter. You know what I mean? Right now, they're still only at maximum 2,000 people playing. Absolutely. Sign up for a fucking code. Codes are going out.
Starting point is 01:00:27 It's awesome. I didn't expect that reception in the comments from when we put it up, where it was going to be almost 50-50. I was expecting mostly interest, and the half and half was like, ooh. We've talked about this a lot, but not in a context which you were able to apply to this. We've talked about a conversation that links into this, but you didn't think to link them. It's the people who think they like fighting games, but don't actually like fighting games. That's who you're running into. People who care about fighting games and like to play fighting games, but go, it's too hard,
Starting point is 01:01:02 or I'm too shit, or the execution. Oh, no. No. And they get pushed out. Those people are looking at this and going, wow, that looks really good. Or people that just love fighting games, like they love it. But the people who think they like fighting games, the people who just get into Marvel and want to do their combo.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Your cousin who picked up a copy of Super Street Fighter IV. Exactly. Those people go, well, it looks boring. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. And that's what you're seeing. What robot-based fighting game series continued? Never.
Starting point is 01:01:35 None ever. Ever, ever, ever. I know that's not a grammatically correct way to answer that, but yes it is. It is grammatically whatever. Never. Yeah. Never. Rising the Robot series.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Yeah. Spiborgs. I heard there's a real Steel 2. Spiborgs 2. Who knows? Nobody told me. Push it. That skill hates it.
Starting point is 01:01:56 No, you're right. You're right. And the robots don't sell. It just, and it just, it's a little bit painful. Even Zoe, if you had to count that. Well, fucking Pacific Rim, thank God for China. I know. Thank God for China.
Starting point is 01:02:08 But it just kind of hurts because, like, you know that the pieces are all there for this to be fantastic, but. No, the game's awesome. Totally. And you know what? Hey, look, Super Robot Wars is self-sustaining at this point. It's not a big seller at all. It doesn't know, it never sells more than it did.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Yeah. But that's a perpetual motion vision. It's enough. It's enough. It's enough to keep making these budget ass games. You know, they know who they're selling to by name. Yeah. You know?
Starting point is 01:02:36 Hey, Jimmy Sand. What's up? You mean robots? Hiroshi, we noticed you didn't resume your subscription to Super Robot Wars. Oh no, it's the new protagonist. We noticed you already have a horsecock.org subscription. I can't. So we can offer you a 50% deal.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Oh, horsecock.org? That's that fucking Rhymel site. Yeah, exactly. That's bullshit. They need to, they need to. They don't have the 4K zoom-ins. That's what I need. They don't have the girth to get in.
Starting point is 01:02:59 Or the logo, the HP logo. But... So it doesn't have the JP mark, anyway. I think the best thing I can say about Rising Thunder is that when Woolly came in here, I was playing a match against fucking Chell. I think it was. And Talos. Chell and Talos was playing against those people.
Starting point is 01:03:15 And Woolly looks at me and he goes just to low, medium, into cold drill. Just do it. It's safe. You can play your footsie game. And my response was, no! I got a press button. I don't want to play it like that. I want to play Rust Down Net.
Starting point is 01:03:33 And then I got blown up right in front of them. And then that continued all the way until when Liam walked in and walked in as I got blown up in the same way again. And it's, I am getting so into it that I'm becoming a scrub. And then it's like, I don't care. You just want to see your pretty attacks come out. I just want to play my character. How I want to play my character.
Starting point is 01:03:54 I want to do my style. And I haven't felt like that long time. Games fucking awesome. Yeah. Because you know, there's just some questions that came in about some stuff that we'll answer a bit later. But I really, really, really look forward to this being like a widespread thing on release and seeing how far it'll go.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Because I have no, I have no, like, I feel that the FGC is just going to accept it. And I feel like that's what they already have. You know, I feel like that's going to be like fine. And I don't know how much like quote unquote influence that'll push, you know. Well, if any game ever had the ability to force its influence anywhere, it would be this one. I suppose so. Because of Canon and fucking S-Kill.
Starting point is 01:04:40 It's like, if you want to play in the SF5 tournament, you have to enter. And maybe if we get a couple more videos where dudes are 7000% mad. Dude, this fucking 17 minute long video. It's 19. 19 is the funniest thing. All he's going to do, all he's going to do is fireball on sweet. See, look there it was. Zoning, they call it zoning.
Starting point is 01:05:08 How can you know what's going to happen? And then still get hit by him. This is an amazing video where a guy is getting salt because he got blown up by a guy that beat him the night before. That he beat the night before. That he beat the night before. And it goes on where he loses two matches and then he just quits the game. It's like four seconds of the game.
Starting point is 01:05:24 Yeah, quits the game and then spends the next 17 minutes just ranting about how cheap it is and about how people are doing something. I'm going to play this fucking game until they bounce. But what makes it fascinating is that it's not like the normal like this is cheap, this is cheap kind of argument. It's a guy who actually knows FGC terms and knows like things enough. He should be better than this. He knows the terms but he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
Starting point is 01:05:47 You're aware enough to sound like you know better but you doubt so you just get super salt. Well and then halfway through the video he uninstalls the game live and then like for the last quarter he's playing World of Warcraft and still ranting about Rising Thunder. Like you get raised there at the desktop for like 10 minutes and then he just goes and uninstalls it and I'm like this is delicious, this is so good. It's really good. It's exquisite.
Starting point is 01:06:09 Really strong video. So a huge back down on that. He deleted his Twitter. Oh yeah and everything like that. But thank you to whoever you are on V who recorded that. The guy who fought him recorded it. Yeah he made the thread on V and he was like what do you guys think of this video? That was the best.
Starting point is 01:06:23 This is the best. Yes. Live salt. I love it. So that is always fun and that does wonders for selling the game. Oh yeah. In my opinion. For sure.
Starting point is 01:06:34 So Rising Thunder is great. Oh sorry. I was just going to say yeah when the inevitable console version comes out it will help it a lot. Absolutely. Because guess what? Free fighting game. Well there are.
Starting point is 01:06:46 Yeah. There already going to have the PS4s at the tournaments for Street Fighter. Yeah. Free fighting game. Yeah. Everybody you want free fighting game? Yeah. Sure.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Exactly. One that you can play too. Yeah. So. We'll not play it. I think given time it's only going to get more popular but it's only going to start once the releases actually happen. Open beta.
Starting point is 01:07:02 Prior to release. You know whatever. Once the releases. Whatever the widespread. Yeah. You can do it. Not private alpha. But like it won't catch fire unless I feel like there's like some kind of major aesthetic.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Wait. Not overhaul but. Wait for the costume. Change or inclusion. Wait. Wait for more stages. Wait for more stages. It just needs popular people playing it on Twitch.
Starting point is 01:07:23 That's all it needs. Yeah. It's fucking sad. But that's all it needs. Yeah. Shitty. Or is it? You think because this is the.
Starting point is 01:07:31 Politics. Do you think that can get past the initial first reaction stale bread kind of thing? Yeah. Yeah. No clue exactly. Yes. Because I was so shocked by that perception. Worked for five nights at Freddy's.
Starting point is 01:07:42 Oh. That was actually nice. That's a good game. Five nights is cool. That's a good game. Game is cool. Kudos making all those other ones also. Like fucking good for you.
Starting point is 01:07:50 Yeah. We talked about that. Absolutely. Congrats to that guy. He's fucking cool. It's not a story but like he came out and just. I have five four years to milk this. Get the pumps.
Starting point is 01:07:59 I made my 40s. Really? Yeah. He's like make your just do your thing. Yeah. Be successful. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 01:08:09 Yeah. Did you see that fucking not it wasn't a game theorist but like whatever that channel is with like MatPat or whatever. Not us but there's a guy. There's a different. Who's nicknamed MatPat. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:21 Wow. He made this like like lore theory video about five nights and he gets so into it and serious and he's so fucking wrong about everything. It's the funniest thing to see go down. And then what's his name the maker of five nights. He posts in the comments and says well you're not really right about some of this stuff like after MatPat called him out by name and said you're wrong in your own game. He says you're not really right and that fucking deletes the comment.
Starting point is 01:08:46 Oh no. And it's like. Oh no. That's fucking tremendous asshole. Don't do that. That's not cool. Yeah. It was terrible.
Starting point is 01:08:54 I watched that video and the whole thing I was just scoffing like. And if Namco Bandai fucking sent us a letter going you idiots are fucking morons for that JoJo video. I would have framed it on the wall so you could see it in the background. Oh yeah. There you go. Oh we were so wrong. So speaking of you being wrong.
Starting point is 01:09:10 No I've been playing a lot of Witcher 3 but not nearly as much as I want because that game is hard to like start. It's hard to sit down and start that game because there's no like you know there's filler and like open world like there's oh I'm gonna go to this point and do that. That's filler. But there's no quests or person you can ever talk to ever that is not a gigantic involved process. Yeah there's nothing that's just fluff.
Starting point is 01:09:34 Like it has a thing where you'll do a story quest for a person and then that line will continue for five more quests. Even though you're done. Even though you're done and you can continue and you'll all do one of these and like one of those is like a full 90 minutes and like a full it would be a level in a game and like you end it and then they're like well okay now we got the now we got the fucking thing so let's do this now that we have the thing we needed to do this. Let's do this.
Starting point is 01:10:03 Go on yeah. And it's like you sit down and if you want to actually get something done it's like your whole day. You can't play a little bit. It's so crazy. It's so good and this is a it's a game design effect that I don't know how you could recreate because it only works because the prior games did this. Like you it's the kind of thing you'd have to hear about people tell you that the game
Starting point is 01:10:22 is like this but in most in most games you would pay it no mind. But because you know that the CD Projekt does this in their game that it matters. There's a side quest that ends with you clear out a fucking like evil mages lab that was researching plague shift. And then the person that you did the job for asks you oh did you burn the place down because that place is evil. It'd be really bad if someone got those notes you know actually like no I just I killed the ghost I didn't think to burn it down like okay then they drug you and you fall asleep
Starting point is 01:10:55 and you wake up and you go oh shit because the tower is right over there. And my stomach just fell because in any other game you would run and stop them and whatever but you already know but in the Witcher series like there's the possibility that you get there and the shit's gone and because you did that quest at all something really bad is going to happen later. And then you get there in time and you can mitigate that scenario if you choose correctly and then you get those notes and you read them and you go this would have been really bad for my game if this had this happened it is it is a it is a letter that says here's
Starting point is 01:11:35 it like here's a make a cure for the plague and that's the character tries to sell to you and then you read it and it's not that it's like here's how you would make a bio weapon of like the bubonic plague and the consequences they were going to go try and pitch the cure at a Monarch that's fighting a war and just kill a whole and the reason why I like that hit my stomach so hard is because I've heard that the Witcher 3 actually has like 16 endings and like a full third of them are bad like everyone's dead good good the main quest is a fucking wreck failure you lose and that could have been a trigger it could have been and and it's like all this sense and it's heavy and I did that I never
Starting point is 01:12:18 felt attention I haven't played the game since that quest because now I don't know what's going to it's that game is astounding it's fucking awesome plates meffa 14 not much to say about that if you log in and you were kicked out of the free company we kicked you out because we needed to build a new house and demolish your old room your private room was in the way well basically you can't they fucked up with the house stuff you can't unstable someone's chocobo for them you can't destroy their room and you can't demolish the land unless all the rooms are destroyed and all the chocobos are gone so the only solution yeah you have to remove them from the free company wow that's really poor ever since
Starting point is 01:12:59 like we gave them a full four days yeah but people don't log in no every week for sure they're people logging in go what I was on vacation how come I got kids to chocobo was stable it just signed back up sorry about that guys I watched that seems like a real oversight I watched a show sorry for going on but I actually did a lot of stuff that's fine this is making up for those weeks that I just went I'm addicted to I did death yeah I watched the worst show on television bird up is that the best show on television it's the best show on television so good so after hearing woolly and Liam and Matt's stories about the Eric Andre show I said fuck this I'm watching Eric Andre show yo that's the
Starting point is 01:13:40 Tom Green show part dude all over again that is black version black version and not black American version because Tom Green was Canadian yeah he was doing most of his stuff in like Toronto yeah yeah dark side dark side edition straight up reincarnation of the Tom Green show and I feel bad for people that got soured on Tom Green like woolly because Freddie got finger Freddie got finger it's not the Tom Green show that's all I got Eric Andre is the fucking Tom Green show of just bits that are scary yeah okay nonsense it is edible though Tom Green is the rest Tom Green is the man that invented random internet comedy and then the Tom Green show and Eric Andre it's great but then you look at random internet
Starting point is 01:14:26 comedy you want to fucking throw up all of yourself because it gets all wrong because no one knows how to do it except for these guys yeah the Eric Andre show is the fucking funniest like most work put into something but Hannibal though yeah by the way Hannibal seller show is fucking god awful it's it's I'm hearing the worst things ever I've never I haven't watched it I've watched him only in guest star girls he shows up on that other show the two girls I forget what it's called but same thing supporting Hannibal's aces just fucking aces every say he walks on Andre show is like the rawest garbage you can absolutely but it's amazing so it'll only work on adult swim at night yeah I think we
Starting point is 01:15:09 were trying to sell Pat on the basis that their usage of the green screen is what was the line that we said it was to call it next level would be to do it into so I was looking for it I finally found the clip where they unfit unfurl the green screen behind him and there's the set and they segue into the next and he's in the set yeah yeah like did you saw that now I've watched it all isn't it amazing I watched we've had green screens for years and I've never seen anyone use it like you see episode one of season three you know why he changes his hair no look like Cat Williams and they fucking throw a picture cat and it's the last time that ever comes up and you look at him now and he's back to
Starting point is 01:15:53 his hair dude you know what the season four gimmick is he is no longer gonna shower or wear a body deodorant or trim his nails and he took a fucking screen grab of his nails they're fucking like four inches out oh my god dude this like like we dream of being able to imagine green screen tech yeah on this level yeah makes me look up makes me want to buy a green screen yeah like an agreement so Eric Andre we have tried it's impossible to explain why you just and like in the midst of just like this is like this is exhausting this hurts I'm watching too much at a time I am like I watched I was that Chris rock yes I watched I watched them in three sittings one season which is unusual and I was tired well me and you and
Starting point is 01:16:45 Taco are watching the first bird-up episode yeah and we were just like that picture we have the towel the worst show on TV you have to watch it thumbs up I also the last thing I did my week and I talked about a little bit on Twitter last night is I fell down the deepest darkest I'm bored hole ever and I just said yeah I just said fuck it I heard about this I'm just gonna start reading DBZ fanfiction I'm gonna read tons and easy fan fiction and then you did what was the catalyst I was bored well no but no but that's not enough something had to bring it to the forefront of your I had been I had seen like this particular thing like thrown at me on Twitter like twice and said fuck it I'm not doing anything with my it is it reminds me of I think I might
Starting point is 01:17:44 have told you about this what happened like three months ago where I was just like you know what I'm gonna watch a bunch of Final Fantasy vs. 13 AMVs yeah yeah there are too numb a lot that use the same sunny minute pool of footage that existed before it is hilarious probably 14,000 probably the weirdest takeaway from this is that it is so good that I would actually recommend it to you guys was it the which one was it so okay so it's a it's a it's a time mashup of all like just let's Matt let's crush down Dragon Ball DBZ and parts of GT in a one timeline and let's say that Goku was not the hero it was Chi Chi but it focuses on Gohan okay like you don't remember kid gohan like like pretty like like pre-post raddits go home a little piccolo go yeah piccolo gohan
Starting point is 01:18:40 so Chi Chi's dead okay and go and Goku's like the same deadbeat Goku that he's always been right and we're doing fan okay okay I spent so much time okay thinking about this okay get my fucking okay get your piece out okay and it's gohan in the fucking Saiyan saga and he has to do the shit and instead of piccolo training him it's piccolo Krillin and Roshi and Tien and piccolo had been combined into one character and it's post-nail combination wait was nail the first one so the nail nail so much thought put in the nail is on planet Namek okay so and the shows pacing is really what sorry the fan fiction spacing is really weird because like you like you're like this is come on this is fucking Saiyan saga do do the same stuff but instead it's all like weird not great
Starting point is 01:19:43 Sam and shit in the beginning with Videl and yeah yeah and kid Videl cuz they met earlier now cuz fuck it cuz fuck it cuz fan fiction his fan fiction shut up and instead of like adult and like they're gonna get married it's like all little childlike like romance like oh that's cute and it just goes on and on and on and it's like it's like the other fighting fucking cybermen so you as monsters of the week so you one giant one it was about 68 parts really big okay not multiple no it was one giant one alright I got linked to this and I saw you get you get you get you get fucking the TN Piccolo character can see the future and that seems really overpowered hold on is this is TN Piccolo character actually TN Piccolo yeah it's both no it's just both characters
Starting point is 01:20:34 had just been combined into Piccolo so they've just fused yeah basically okay um is there a brand new character that everyone loves that's the coolest guy ever so everyone like just has to pay attention to when they're around no no it's literally just like Gohan Gohan Piccolo slash TN Krillin and Roshi the writing was really good okay it was really like it was weird because you saw all these sides of these characters in which like oh wow Piccolo is actually like really emotional and vulnerable and then Krillin has Piccolo like like problems letting like I was I was going to the same place as Woolly where I was worried that like Robert the lost saying Prince would appear the truth totally totally original character do not steal to whom
Starting point is 01:21:24 Virginia would totally see and honestly like the first like five hours of reading it no like two three hours of reading it was really bad like it was really rough and I didn't like I don't this gets good first two to three hours are bad and and then and then it starts to pick up as they start this to focus in more on just recreating like the DBZ storyline with more stuff so then when once the sands actually show up it starts to really pick up and you have piccolo and go on versus page one sentence one yeah you just have to pretend that it's just a different world no no it's the same world but all these weird things where people are dead or alive and things are happy it's just mismatched you just have to pretend it's just not the same yeah is this like
Starting point is 01:22:09 written like Maya mortal where it's fucking garb gibberish garbage no no it's it's it's well written okay um and like it and where's mr. Satan where's mr. Satan mr. Satan's kind of like a they're the devil's mom is actually here's with mr. Satan and they're like they're just like lame parents they're not like they're not heroes they're just there's so much thought but it is so Goku just does nothing Goku's Goku's just a deadbeat like imagine Goku's character with no powers imagine Goku was Chichi right just hang around just being a shit runs a car wash and then they they they zoom in on the the Saiyan saga but now it's the Saiyan saga but with fusions early so imagine if instead of like Goku and Piccolo fighting Raditz it was Goku and Piccolo fused
Starting point is 01:23:00 together fighting Raditz and it keeps going going the biggest problem is that whenever whenever this whenever this fanfiction ssj six brilliant whenever whenever this fanfiction tries to get off of like recreating the DBZ story and go to its own little side stories even though it can be sweet and now and then I it's like no go back to the story go back to the story I would call it like a like a like a anti-bebop it sounds like you just want to watch Dragon Ball Z it sounds like you just want to watch super okay so you know you know cowboy bebop most of the plot is not the plot okay that this is not as good as cowboy bebop okay no okay most of most of the thing is not the plot yeah James yeah but the plot's really good but it's not even as good as the high James and
Starting point is 01:23:46 anti-bebop would be like most of the plot is is is high James but the plot's what matters this is what this fanfiction is um and probably future yeah probably uh and and the biggest problem is that like I want to know about the Saiyans I want to know about Frieza but because it's young kid go on whenever kid go on asks for anything and says like hey what's the deal with Frieza the older characters just go like nah shut up shut up don't don't talk about it and drags on and on and on it's like just tell the kid about the Saiyans I can't understand if he wants us to take him seriously I can't understand I can't read him I can't read him right now this is a wall this is so bizarre all that I cannot surmount I don't know what to do and probably the the most annoying thing
Starting point is 01:24:33 about the whole thing is that kid go on as characters not nearly as strong as a as a developed character in this fan fiction as the rest of them and that I dislike his portrayal as like a like a six-year-old like fat kid with a star on his shirt can you tell me what the username of the writer was uh Rebecca sugar can you tell me what the name of the story wait wait are you serious yeah are you serious it was Rebecca it was Rebecca sugar are you fucking serious I'm totally serious what does that mean probably great then what does that mean she did Steven Universe oh you fucking is it actually Rebecca sugar yes the creator of Steven Universe it's probably fantastic that it's probably pretty good wait seriously what's the story called Steven Universe is it just is it just
Starting point is 01:25:19 Steven Universe in sheep clothing no I'm talking about I watched all of Steven Universe oh my god okay and I wanted to see how long I could drag oh no I just down this path I got I got some of it with some of it so last night on Twitter was the test run to see how far I had to go when you said the piccolo thing I was like well that's just garnet yeah and then you were saying some things I was like yeah but then I was like no I can't even I wanted to see at a certain point I wasn't even listening to you so I was this relying on Liam catching on because there's to be here okay so everything that I just said is just Steven Universe okay that shows great is it better than Adventure Time no yes it is there we go confirm no here's the thing they both
Starting point is 01:26:06 have the same thing going on or the anti-bop thing where both of them will you've watched it most of Adventure Time or not all of it right yeah Adventure Time when it goes for its continuity is the it's the best like it goes to the the wildest fucking ways it's fucking great Steven Universe like that when it goes to continuity continuity is just a retelling of Dragon Ball with with new animation and new characters and it's awesome it's fucking great but whereas Adventure Time is really strong and it's off in its quote-unquote filler episodes I feel like most of the Steven Universe episodes that don't have to do with the emotions of the characters or their relationship states or any of that when it's literally just hijinks I think those episodes are terrible
Starting point is 01:26:46 because Steven doesn't ask anything so there's so there are 50 episodes in which Steven is going what's the deal with the gems and they go shut up kid and you go no what you fuck just say it but there's no Mushroom Samba no no no what would you call Steven Universe's Mushroom Samba the fuck the Mushroom Samba the totally separated episode that stands totally on its own it has nothing to do with anything I don't think there is no if they're or Piero or you know they're like there might be but I can't think of one on my head I think that Steven is easily the weakest character in that entire show and it's a bummer that he's the main character because he's just too young remember when Finn was super young but it was okay because it was goofy adventures well the first
Starting point is 01:27:37 YouTube video of them just sliding around I mean like season one season two Finn right we're super young yeah but it's all really goofball shit like oh no the mountains crying yeah right what if what if that never went away and they tried to do the continuity with that Finn with that version of Finn again like the Finn that doesn't like why so yeah so the thing is and I can see why like personally I think Adventure Time edges it out but this the thing is fantastic and has the potential to be better than Adventure Time and I think the reason why a lot of people think it's better than Adventure Time is that it got farther in less time so it got like it's too see it's not even two seasonals I also I find all the all the gems characters to be way more compelling as well
Starting point is 01:28:17 yeah because it's a character driven show there's I find them all there's enough episodes of this thing out there that that now it's it's found it's stride right yes yeah and the stride in general is DBZ but entertaining on average yes absolutely okay the show's biggest problem is like the first five episodes are shitty they suck everything prior to Tiger Millionaire I don't think the first everything because Tiger Millionaire is great Tiger Millionaire is awesome ultimate heal everything before that is like okay and then that happens and you're like that is a is a high jinx that was awesome now I saw someone link to me to an article that's like reasons why you should appreciate Steven Universe if you're not watching it type of thing and it was a list of homages and things
Starting point is 01:29:02 that how it's like this thing is full of send ups to things that you like right so send ups aside yeah still there's tons oh no this is this is not ready player one no no no it's it they're subtle and I didn't notice a lot of they're very subtle so don't worry about that no it's actually really good it's it's more dedicated to its continuity than Adventure Time is yeah and that's something that frustrates me about adventure adventure time adventure time yet four episodes a season in which they go to the the multiverse and adventure time takes like seasons to get to the plot and that kind of goes adventure time has one plot episode at the end season finale of season two yeah which is the lich and then it's a full season before they get back to the lich yeah and then in
Starting point is 01:29:47 season five they have like 10 episodes that are continuity and and that's when advent and that's when you've built up the characters for like in Steven Universe the plot starts at like the eighth episode yeah so up to there it's just cartoon show hijinks and then it plot starts so so probably the best sandwich in between Teen Titans so probably it's sandwiched in between Teen Titans I guess so yeah so the best example is that a lot of people didn't stick with adventure time to see it become its continuity based too long to get there because it took like five years way too long where well I well I love the old no no sure sure so like when I say that woolly will get this and some and people have watched all of that like Ice King is the most tragic figure ever yeah it's
Starting point is 01:30:28 yes yeah but you had to know Ice King for years to get there whereas Steven Universe you go by the end of season one like Garnet's the best Garnet Garnet's the best she's fucking awesome but then you're like oh they're all the best yeah I really like probably my favorite thing is that I hated like Pearl I hated Pearl really you hate it I hate it that neurotic prissy fucking character in anything I hate it just like you yeah I know uh but but then you get farther in and you see that character is like like horrible so here's like like like broken like fucked up horrible she is busted and then I then I like that character because they're more busted your character is more like here's that Eric Andre USB I want you to put more things on what you mean the season package
Starting point is 01:31:16 put the fan fiction on put the fan fiction on the thing and then it's really good it's really really fantastic yeah and to the people worried I was gonna shit on your character no I'm not they're they're all good in their own way except for Steven well my my curiosity direct question to you was how did you get past the art style because I know that you hate that I have never seen a show that its background art was so good and its character art was so bad the art is not bad it's a style I know whatever you hate that style okay so how did you get past that because when you get to second one of the title card the title card is gorgeous okay like I'll fucking no no don't don't do it copying the shit yes but the title the title card looks like of the fucking like a pastel version
Starting point is 01:32:06 of the of the safe room in transistor but it looks amazing you weren't repulsed I was totally repulsed by the characters and then I got over it and then I learned to live with it and now I'm like yeah okay I like it well enough the problem is is that the coolest looking characters in the show are very rarely in the show because they are either fusions or villains that get kicked out after one episode okay like there's a villain called Jasper who I think is really cool gone not dead just gone I feel like I feel like like if you were into the gendy stuff then you could probably appreciate I don't even know what that is that's that's uh uh fucking clone wars and that's samurai jack and that's that art style I like that art style so samurai jack is on like the ultimate level
Starting point is 01:32:54 right right like we're in agreement the samurai jacks at the top it's pretty great right like samurai jack and then reboots below it I think you're talking about just that stuff because I mean if you want to talk power pop and you want to talk dexter's laugh yeah no samurai jack is like top top top ultra tier right Steven universe starts to scrape at its feet on some episodes I feel like on a basic level it's like I hate Steven's like so fucking much oh I love Steven I think it's great like I think what he is is great I first I hate that I absolutely hate that absolute the very first time I saw a single moment of that show and I saw the character there's a commercial was on for for an adult swim yeah and I went uh Scott Pilgrim what no no because I just saw I
Starting point is 01:33:38 saw him with a star on his shirt and it was called Steven universe I was like what is that like a sort of Scott Pilgrim thing what was happening there yeah and then it seems like it's something completely different it's not but I just that the first thought I had from seeing the design was that Scott Scott Pilgrim is hey you like video games come read our video game hold on do you like video games and obscure Toronto's subculture for hipster dirt bed yeah I do yeah yeah Brian Leo Malley is the earnest client of comic books that's where I stand on that not not as nowhere near nowhere near as bad I don't know he labels stuff in pictures nowhere this is this is a morph ball from metroid you know it would do this it's not I know heavy heads like there there there is an episode
Starting point is 01:34:23 in which Steven Steven occasionally changes how he looks due to various occasionally every single one of those I would rather have the main character especially um uh the the one with Connie you're going into like borderlines like you're saying too much well I've already seen moments where he fuses with his Indian girlfriend there but I've seen that where they become one person that character and that character should be the fucking star of the show yeah you know I've seen all kinds of like moments not this fucking stupid child that doesn't know what's going on the whole point is that that's what he is like that that whole song and people and people and there's more than enough gifts of the cool moments and stuff so I feel like it's like yeah I'm gonna you know I'm gonna see
Starting point is 01:35:06 from what from one probably the most shocking thing is from the way people talked about it I really expected there to be way more music yeah there's like four or five because people said like oh this is why the music dropped out of adventure time because all the music went to here it's like there's like there's like five or six songs there's like five or six songs tops and like like adventure time has way more more consistently it's like if you're good like and all those musical moments are great like do the more often like the quote-unquote rap this is fights that thing's great yeah it was it just wasn't rap but it was just like no shut up the tip off it's rd did you watch that I saw that I saw that that's the climax of the first season I'm sorry no it's just why would you watch spoilers
Starting point is 01:35:50 because somebody said woolly would like this because it's a rap fight and I'm like and I watched it and I was like oh you mean an r&b fight it's not really rap yeah they were like what is this dumb shit that's yeah I mean I didn't say that I was like that was cool but this is rd people don't send spoilers to people you mean rap and battle yeah r&b yeah there you go that's what I don't know I think it's important that Steven is the way Steven is in the show or it just doesn't work like throw three years on him if you put a character in the show who knew what was going on no he doesn't place like it was an episode where he is older for a bit yes yeah it's a playground I saw that I don't I don't mean like age him to be an adult and I don't mean to have the character
Starting point is 01:36:37 know everything because then the audience can't figure out yeah make the character slightly older so that when when they're in a fucking like space graveyard with corpses everywhere and he goes hey what's up with that they don't go shut up kid and then the episode ends and you learn nothing hmm yeah I mine you're not supposed to realize it yet but I know what it is yeah but that's because you got spoilers no it's not because I can see here's the biggest problem with me starting this and is is that opinions are already stacked you know what I mean yeah well you like it you'll like it it's gonna be impossible to really I'm gonna stick in the mud I'm gonna stick in the mud stubborn asshole and I hate Steven and I came in being pissed off like when I started watching
Starting point is 01:37:24 you know see this is better than I bet your time right and I came away from it thinking it's great so don't worry too much about that it's hard to not like yeah and I can already see just based on the character design that they're going for something different because everybody doesn't look super cool character designs are great you know like everyone looks a little bit like different or odd in some ways pudgy main character pudgy girl kind of thin weird girl with the hair in the back and then like it's like it's already going for no they're all over normal super bishi cast so you know that's already different no it's it's it really it's a good job you should watch it really breaks a lot of like tropes tropes absolutely yeah yeah it's
Starting point is 01:38:00 crazy how many it does and then that that you get credit for breaking tropes doesn't help because yeah I really don't like tropes yeah Rebecca sugar did a good job they're great tropes I unless they're the ones you like unless they're the tropes I like yeah exactly there's some tropes so it's like and I'm coming only red od that can stand I'm coming off too strong with the Stephen stuff I'm just frustrated because the plot is the best part of that show and Stephen's ignorance actively stops more plot from happening I don't think it's Stephen's ignorance really well okay it's more it's more the fact that they have to ship a show for kids well it's like in so every other episode has to be a hijinks episode in the mirror episode 90% of that episode is hijinks
Starting point is 01:38:45 and then two minutes of plot at the end it's like because Stephen's an idiot and doesn't know what's going on and because no one will tell him what's going on and then the episode ends when instead it's like no that's the coolest character in the show but you just got a lot of plot like anywhere near as bad as Boruto but that's exactly what like that's the first thing really that made me hate everything about Naruto oh I thought you meant Boruto because you were reading it no I mean no I mean Naruto like the first thing that like even when I was still invested was the fact that the main character is just like I don't get it and literally everyone else does and like you the viewer does but the story still progresses at the speed of his thought okay so you have laggy
Starting point is 01:39:28 dumb moments where you're like we already know this is not more like dumping on that in Steven universe but it is explaining one thing a lot of people have asked me over and over and over why do I hate the third Evangelion movie so much and it's because of this it's because it's this replicated on Shinji for a whole movie in which everyone knows what's going on except for the character that you're following I can't handle that I can't have no patience for that go faster it's not nearly as it can't be because those are the worst examples in the world he just listed the two worst examples in the world yeah it can't be worse no of course 90 minute movie in which you learn nothing that movie sucks I can't the animation is amazing that maybe sucks which is why when a
Starting point is 01:40:14 character is ahead of the curb it's it's beyond satisfying it's like oh give it to me the entire cast except for Steven is ahead yeah absolutely and when you get glimpses of that you're like damn you know what you would like you know what you would like sword art online okay whatever because because he was ahead of the curve yeah exactly because he got in early that's no that's the big part of the joy of being the first season that he's so ahead of the curve that he solves the plot early but like that is like that yeah that's what he already knows what he has to do for minute one yeah things that I enjoyed about when I was reading Death Note things that I enjoyed when I was reading Full Metal Alchemist where that you know like those characters are like yeah they're your
Starting point is 01:40:55 main characters but they're not just fucking I don't yeah yeah that's not I don't feel like that describes once it's an audience thing where it's like I want the character to realize things faster than me so that I can enjoy it instead of the reveal happening and the kid goes oh yeah and I go and I go no shit if you think Epo's gonna be one of those characters and then he's not and it's really sad you know but that's a sports anime thing as well we're just like I don't know anything about the sport teach me everything you know but we'll see it's good show we'll see but opinions are loaded so you won't not like it that's not that's not what I'm worried about exactly I'm just I'm just it's you know it's anytime something is like the like the external peer pressure as it were and not
Starting point is 01:41:40 hey all I ever said was go watch it it's better I'm talking about the internet peer pressure oh it's strong so fucking heavy honestly you're like probably the last thing I want to say about it is that the comparisons to adventure time are now shown now that I know are fucking absurd these are not even in the same genre like not even close like they're different adventure time is fucking like magical like fucking 1010 and this is dragon ball okay this is the it's the most overt dragon ball thing I have ever seen I mean if if if like people coming to planet but I mean like dragon ball is something else you know if aliens come to earth I'm so in an equal sands basically like okay here's how much I'm not gonna say what it is sure
Starting point is 01:42:34 here's how dragon ball it is a plot point happens and I go wait a second if that character's so and so and that's character so and so then this is going to happen and I call that 30 episodes before it happened and then it happened exactly how I thought it was gonna happen because it was just dragon ball and that's not a problem that's awesome okay I like dragon ball I haven't been watching super is it good did it stay good you were watching super I'm seeing I'm seeing we're gonna go see resurrection we're all gonna go to you're all gonna go see resurrection effects we'll see Frieza only had to try what he had a new form what he just didn't try he didn't use it why didn't he try he couldn't think he needed it but in dbz movie 13 go on vaporizes him with a
Starting point is 01:43:16 single punch no he could have went gold he just oh that wasn't canon he didn't feel like it jenemba doesn't count you're in a bad day didn't work all right when he came back as a robot you're shipping you come back as a robot yeah that's the rule even his dad yeah even his dad metal cooler though he didn't think he needed it all right so we waste a lot of time on that what's the store you want to talk about you can just handle the resident evil to shit just go oh it's awesome it's okay so Liam may have been right about something which was when I was like they're never gonna do it they're never ever ever gonna do it they were as evil to if they're gonna do it and then Liam's like like no fax approach to my no fax approach was now they're gonna do it and we were at this
Starting point is 01:43:54 annoying impasse until uh on the capcom facebook page for isn't evil yeah they said well what would you like to see hey guys if we we made like resident evil to again like a remake would anyone care would you what would you guys would you want that yeah like what would you want about it would you want it like like oh I don't know yeah and then um people like uh matt and I and uh everybody on the internet just spoke spam this yeah attack this with your social media and they did uh and then one day later uh response came out like wow I did wow people really look people really wow we wow he's actually evil too that's really people care that's crazy not not code Veronica I'm gonna go talk to my boss he I talked to him and he said hey if you want to do this you might be able to do
Starting point is 01:44:48 it like could you do it if you make happy people yeah and then it was like maybe and then the next day after that we get a fucking like photo of a design doc cover that is just straight up resident evil to rebirth which is the original name of a remake and underneath the lines on that it says take five on it which makes me think that they've act like people within that company have actively been trying to get this done project project being proposed so um and then they said I'm pitching this to my boss hopefully likes it it's bizarre to see like a photograph of the paper so like like you never get that far like a project proposal you never know about project proposal and here like and here's the takeaway being that they just didn't know I guess and no
Starting point is 01:45:42 I don't know here's here's my thing I don't think that's a real project proposal there's no way that Capcom goes yeah fucking tease people with this shit show them the fucking would be fucking do that I think that Capcom saw the ff7 insanity and I think that this got this producer which is I forget his name but he was that he was the head on the remake HD project and he pushed for that project and that became the biggest selling downloadable fucking title ever maybe he's pulling an ono I think this guy's pulling an ono and that he's wanted to do this for years and social pressure and this is and I think that shit was approved way before we saw it and it was I think this is part of the lead up and we're gonna see something and whether it's real or not is not
Starting point is 01:46:29 something or TGS whether it's real or not is not something we can identify but assuming it's real never look I can't name another instance of ever hearing about a project being pitched ever like ever ever why would you do that right that doesn't make me a legend as shit no I don't think anyone's over Capcom stoned up so Capcom's the company where if you work there and you're in like the if you're in good standing you can blackmail the company so there's a couple things you can take away from this when you realize that this guy helped push and make reasonable remake HD and one is that they put more work into that than they needed to yeah it's amazing they put way more work into it in particular they decided okay for the rooms that have real-time lighting
Starting point is 01:47:17 because the FMVs are too old let's completely remake these levels in 3d so we can have so ready lighting look just as good as the pre-rendered backgrounds but they can be in 3d and we can do the lighting yeah and they didn't have to do that but they did and it feels like one of the reasons that particular producer may have pushed for them to do that is so they would know how to do that possibly for re2 dude like and also the other thing is that remake that unreal fucking engine remake thing has been going around and it has not been destroyed yeah there are full playthroughs of that we spoke about it recently and like Capcom's always been really good with fan projects actually like um
Starting point is 01:47:58 what was the one street fighter cross mega man and that one they just straight up picked up and then like i can't think of one that they can't right now mega man corrupt x corrupted i i i think that if ever there was the chance for this to actually happen the stars are aligning for right now i just hope that the remake plays completely like resident evil 4 i'm seeing people saying that and i want those people i'm gonna be polite about this to go away okay what you actually mean is fuck off and die me no no i'm trying to be necessarily trying to be polite here i if i can you know who one of those people was i can't roll i'm gonna throw right under the fucking bus max starts talking to me about on twitter when this blew up and
Starting point is 01:48:48 was who what's going on and the one of the first things out of his head is like oh man this should make that play like r4 why would you say that i go no max i i hope i hope this place and i i i saw him for two minutes he's like yeah you're probably right they should do it the old way because the old way is cheaper the old way is way cheaper like well depends if you want to go like really high fidelity pre-rendered it's not fucking you want to do that have to be in a lock like lost nightmares but in reverse that's way more expensive yeah i don't want then don't do it then do not cheaper yeah well if then if they do that if they may make it like a fucking r e for remake no then i that's a big triple a giant really like that's not all you can't slide that
Starting point is 01:49:29 into the calendar the people like me and that it's not a resume that have been screaming for this and the people that bomb that facebook page that's not what that group wants man like that no and also that appears to actually not be what that market wants judging by the sales of remake hd people actually want that old style of people want both pre-rendered yes people want both because revelations too also did fantastic and that can we can we please get another one of those old ones it'd be really good yeah well it'd be interesting because you know like revelations is a its own franchise now absolutely it'd be interesting if there was a like another r e that was just an old style but new games done that way that'd be you know it's a style that's not being used so
Starting point is 01:50:13 and uh the thing the thing about this is that if we don't see it like soon like gamescom or tgs which means it's all it would this is all sham it's been in development you don't see it soon we're not going to see it for a while because r e 2 is a big fucking game yeah well this will this will that maybe that's why zero is happening so that there's that type of game in between well now that we're like two full generations removed from the last version of r e 2 which is the game cube one which not even a lot of people have access to and it's on that closet and to top it off both xbox one and ps4 don't have any way to play resident evil 2 yeah now it's super warranted to get to an emesis back but that that's a that's a big fucking game that i don't know that like for
Starting point is 01:50:53 sure like compared to remake it needs a lot more money because that that zapping system that i always talk about it's fucking alive that is four resident evil games like they reuse about 70% of the environments but that's four full of those classic games instead of just two like they usually do if they made a brand new game in the old style would you be okay with calvin cove would you be okay with the novel yeah it's right next to your head would you be okay with 3d controls or would you want to put them in as an option okay i thought if they had both honesty they should they should put them in as an option but those controls like they don't work very well in those backgrounds like a lot of people like them and that's fine but when the camera changes and your character
Starting point is 01:51:37 goes yeah the wrong way like it screws you up yeah and on top of that like those controls break the balance because those controls let you maneuver in ways that you're not supposed to be able to there's no real reason not to have both folks at the end of the day it's a single player game and you want to make it how you enjoy it the game should be balanced around tank but then add the 2d controls in there as well 3d yeah actually no in in the terminology inside a hill 2 they call tank controls 3d because it's your character's perspective in a 3d space yeah and 2d is your character's perspective as if it was a 2d plane yeah i see yeah give them the 2d controls if they want and have them have a couple one scene transition foibles and that makes the game way easier like
Starting point is 01:52:21 being able to run like but at the end of the day it's a single player game yeah so sure so play the way but just balance the the rooms and stuff around the tank controls absolutely yeah it doesn't bother me at all there go i will i will even go blaspheming and say take out save there's some fucking ink ribbons mm-hmm just come on like that's the one just let me save it a typewriter that's the penalized people in their rankings at the end of the game for saving too much and leave that part in but like the part where people can't find more saves is is like at actually really sucks yeah no i really so we've all been there i i don't have that problem anymore because i know where every increment is yeah exactly but for a new player like you get to a point sometimes
Starting point is 01:53:02 you're in a bad place it's like and you get past something he's like i can't save the game it happened to be the first time i played Resident Evil and it was not a fun place to be in well Liam you're not ever talking about how in uh in like bayo and dmc you have like we always talk about oh man yeah this these both characters are super hard this stage is super hard and like you just completely ignore and forget about items and 100 completely trivialize the stages and make it so that anyone can get through it so that's how people beat these games is fucking better the best way to beat it on non-stop infinite climax is to like just jam yellow lollipops down in throat yeah but he's fucking invincible but we just completely like act as if they're not in the game yeah because you
Starting point is 01:53:43 don't play with them i don't know what i just do you know what they look like what does the rocket what does wonderful 101 what does i don't know what does it look like when you open a meal and you eat one we don't know why never use one that's baby shit for babies that's exactly that's exactly the same and it's self-imposed dumb shit yeah that's like well that's what we're used to the differences in re it's save games and you have to find you don't have to find save points that's what i'm saying to find the ability to save your game which is like self-imposed difficulty that's made easy for you to self-impose absolutely yeah either way it's us being stickler assholes versus people being stickler which is better in the end is to let us be the dumbasses yeah exactly
Starting point is 01:54:28 let us be punishing everybody and you get to use the items if you want them because you're you should play it it's a single player game fuck yeah enjoy it the way you want it absolutely i am taking this news poorly about the remake poorly i've been why so poor i've been playing re2 in my mind a little too often like and now i'm at the point again where it's like i'm going somewhere on the bus instead of playing mobile games instead of reading facebook's like i'll go through leon a in my head let me just think about the way there buddy i'm just doing rising thunder combos in my head yeah okay you know if you get an invidia shield you can just play it anywhere no it's better in my head because it goes faster because i'm not limited by game time you know you
Starting point is 01:55:13 already have a vita and you can just play it anyway no you don't understand do you know how fast you can go through that game if you're not bound by time and space you get one of those little alienware computers and one of them canadian tire power watt adapters you can have it anywhere you're not you'll need a monitor too you don't understand but you can have it anywhere i don't understand no i understand they have to do that zapping system i will freak a freak out so uh next time one of us shows up late to like a recording session yeah we got to send out a company email to shame them that's right because we already do that we've been that literally happens every single time we've been we've been taught the off by facebook yeah yeah that's like okay so uh pat you were
Starting point is 01:56:02 five minutes late you gotta take out matt's garbage forever wow uh this summit somebody broke this down in a perfect way in which there was a quote that leon you put out a while ago when we're talking about uh the kajima thing and you were right when you said it and he was like pat you can't just prove that they hate him yeah there's no like logic that they hate him this stuff's pretty flavorant now yeah it's not even they hate kajima konami hates everyone that works for them it seems like they wanted everyone out aggressively this is what i'm saying like right like you can look at this okay we gotta back up we have to back up because here's the story the story is that according to nikkei they did an internal report and many bad
Starting point is 01:56:50 things are happening over at konami many dads specifically to the former the team formerly noticed kajima productions which is now internal production team eight yeah and uh they're to be to be clear these bad things are are better for their bottom line like this is not a company that's going up in flames they are going to make more money this way but i should have just but but i human beings yeah no exactly we we think they are bad no just i think some people are under the impression that konami is gonna shut down business robot love this yeah exactly yeah and ultimately these are things where i'm like i as you know we're familiar with some corporate culture i heard about this this corporate culture attitude is when we want people out yeah we can't
Starting point is 01:57:33 find we can't just fire so what have they been doing they've been okay so in general the the corporate culture shifted in 2010 was which is when they started doing the mobiles thing internally even though we publicly started hearing about it later than that that's when they released dragon collection which made a killing and yeah that was a really popular game that's what made them change everything that's what changed their entire idea so uh what's been happening is employees that leave the office string lunch break are monitored with time cards when they return late they have their names announced throughout the company for being late there's cameras in the office to monitor the movements of everybody so they don't socialize too much no one has a permanent email address that can
Starting point is 01:58:16 be contacted they rotate they're on the random strength random string rotating emails that change every couple months so that you can't talk to people from other companies because they might poach it internally uh you the people employees can only contact each other through the internal messaging system yeah the internet uh there's no external access there's no extra net except for people that work in pr or that have jobs literally outside access um some developers that are that aren't seen as useful are reassigned duties such as security guards cleaning staff at fitness clubs or roles in the patchy slot factories this includes producers who worked on big titles and in 2013 there was a report about a guy who went from being a dev to working in a patchy slot
Starting point is 01:59:03 factory and was severely depressed as a result so i saw a slow beef retweet uh something that was konami is literally sending people to the pachinko mine yes i like i feel like this is a fitness factory which they own a shit ton of like it's very clear that yeah they just want out of video games and like they have no good like i don't know how that works in japan but i guess they have no good recourse to just get rid of people so they have to just do this asshole so let's just shoot it all from all day exactly i mean you know how this goes it's like when you when you get hired in a japanese company it's often for life and it's what it's supposed to be anyway the corporate culture is not one like here in north america where you jump around every couple of years it's
Starting point is 01:59:48 kind of be like that soon but it's not there yet well that's especially with an old company like konami well for strong economies i mean it makes sense for your market to look like yeah diffuse but the way things are now is you are you're an employee of this company so yeah they send you to the mines you go to the mines and you go oh fuck this i quit and so yeah like after an employee announced that he was looking to leave konami to start a new job uh konami monitored his social media uh and and uh everyone that clicked like on his status they started specifically uh looking at those people and reshuffled them within the company as well that's wonderful based on who clicked like yes i like that song so like like you look at it wow they just they want out so
Starting point is 02:00:32 fucking aggressively they want these people gone yeah and there's no there's no like hidden way to do it so it's just overt just shit all over them and there's there's one there's especially this is applying to specifically these guys and not everyone else there's part of this that doesn't get brought up because it's like not as overtly evil say say you're a janitor at a fucking health club right and you're you're doing okay you make a decent living you're not at the top of your game but you're doing okay yeah right then the producer of fucking whatever gets kicked down to your job as a punishment what does that feel like yeah when your job is seen as so worthless that it's being used as a punitive measure against people they can't fire maybe things work the other way around
Starting point is 02:01:19 maybe i can get that step up it's just a designer it's gonna be and i can design games with erotic violence it's uh yeah it's crazy but and it sucks but you know it'll all be over soon so yep it's gonna it's gonna come to its end so everyone play Metal Gear Solid Solid everyone play the new castle i love that trailer i think it no i think the cg's fucking awesome and so like hidden there in that in that report is that um what's what was the blow up between Kojima and Konami and it apparently is the cost of mgs5 is too high which is utterly straight up unshocking just like it was 80 million and then and then he delayed it like have you played ground zeroes the money's in there you can feel the dollars it's coming through the controller and increasing up your hands you can
Starting point is 02:02:09 feel the dollars that are not on the disc yeah exactly um so for them so now like Konami looks extra evil it's like all this like over like you couldn't there's there was no non-evil way to do any of this not when you're vindictive not you get next story because i'm not gonna top that so it appears that there's likely gonna be an ff12 hd remaster which is so based on a slip-up i want to point out that there are two slip-ups in this slip-up one is the slip-up that anything was said at all the others the language used was bad the word remake was used yep that's not the right word yeah no he corrected well he's a musician you know musicians you know they're they're not they don't know the nomenclature to that degree they're basically so it's not his job to know the
Starting point is 02:03:01 difference between a remake and a remaster yeah because to him it's like well i remade the music so the story is that at an ff distant world's concert um uh what's his name one of the guys Arne Roth who was a producer and music director that uh that worked on Final Fantasy stuff basically said um at the concert there's things that we're working on there's some exciting stuff coming out and he basically mentioned that one of those things includes an ff12 remake and the the everyone in the audience audibly gassed yeah the crowd didn't really know what are you serious you know and like people just weren't ready yeah um because like that's not how you expect to find out about that type of thing they uh teased and talked about it a little bit how 12 seemed like it was going to
Starting point is 02:03:47 be the next one to get the treatment so if this is the way we hear is the way we hear that's that's the way brok right and if they want to really ratchet up the remaster on this they're going to completely remove poochie the sky pirate from the game uh so like fuck vaughn he he read don't don't forget to fuck panello too fuck panello too isn't it just fuck everyone who's not uh the other four five characters are fine they're fine they're all part of the plot okay even rex is better even especially rex uh no but the so yeah he ran it back and said no no no didn't mean to say remake bad language whoops uh you know remaster but he didn't say the word remaster but he did not he just de-confirmed he just de-confirmed his remakes yeah exactly so yeah sounds like yeah like it
Starting point is 02:04:37 was already it already seemed to be in the cards and now it's like yeah okay inferring inferring i hope uh i hope virtuos is doing the port again because they did a bang up job with 10 and 10 to they did a really super super job with that so i hope probably the the best thing about this news is not even for the japanese audiences for the western audience because we never got legally yes the ff12 zodiac edition which is a dramatic improvement on that game because they changed the job system it has a fucking emulation style fast forward feature on it so you don't have to watch the slow mmo combat that's like that that's a quick and it does it by a spring skipping that's like your your characters just are fucking like spring skipping like it's an emulator it's crazy
Starting point is 02:05:18 in the game yeah it's not it's l1 there's a lot of really cool stuff in there so i really hope that well again i hope virtuos does it and i hope that it comes out good yep uh so there's that i'll give that game another shot yeah we've got some other rpg news we've got a bunch of rpg news actually rg's are cool we've got um the unveiling of exist archive the other side of the sky which is being made by tri ace and spike chunsoft so it's made by tri ace and spike is the publisher okay it's the same thing as like the like atlas x vanilla where thing we're just vanilla where's making it that's the artist the artist who did uh love plus who left konami quite a few months ago so we finally know what uh he is up to oh is that who those portraits
Starting point is 02:06:02 are are by yes yes screenshots of it so yeah we did love plus before if you remember that camp yeah um yeah i don't look too close because this might just be valkyrie profile three but game looks fucking awesome yeah it's just valkyrie profile you want it yeah you want a valkyrie profile game that's not by square annex there you go valkyrie profile not wait no not valkyrie profile but this thing this thing this thing that looks exactly like valkyrie profile exist archive i'm i'm really keen and spikes games i mean they seem to make an effort to get them localized so yeah here's hoping here's hoping uh they also again more rpg news grandia 2 hd uh coming to good ol games dot com so that's a good place for that game that's it's i would not that's a good ass game but that's
Starting point is 02:06:47 interesting and they're the ps2 version of that game it's all fucked up like it's i think the dream cast one of the best one yeah it is but the ps2 version is like super fucked up so good i didn't even know it was on ps2 i thought it was just yeah it's like low times and stuff we're just are fucking absurd they're like four times as long i always thought it was dream cast exclusive just just like what snk did a little while ago remember snk's survey what games would you want to see from us in the future the word garo just fucking killed it yeah um i can't wait for that but um gung ho did a similar one a little while ago and yeah grandia 2 was the one that killed it so it's a good game just respond to that's a fucking classic jrpg in the tropia sense yeah
Starting point is 02:07:27 definitely have you seen the fire in that game oh my god the fire animation is amazing it's pretty good i mean i'm assuming it's strong yeah i'm assuming a bunch of this stuff is you know like on the eve of games calm we're just getting a couple things announcements coming out early well some of the japanese ones like exist archive it's like that's just a coincidence yeah of course but like they're also they're also slowing slowly leading up to tgs and stuff because tgs is in september that's true too that's true too uh we've got the confirmation that that are alive extreme three is being worked on yeah they're bringing it back but only in asia yeah i i feel like that line literally means nothing and it's just producer talk because it can mean because tecmo
Starting point is 02:08:09 koie has localized every single one of their games for years it can mean one of like nine things and the first thing that jumps to mind is this particular version of this game like this one is going to be a free to play like piece of shit and then a different named version of this game will come to the west yeah honestly like if it's on consoles i don't believe it for a minute or the game goes so far that it can only be sold in asia it makes the word venus look like a church you can actually do more in the west than you can in japan not with those characters when it comes to ratings up no actually oh really yeah you can actually do more in the west so you could go further here but i don't know how you go further than the venus how i don't fucking know don't do it uh on
Starting point is 02:08:54 that like i yeah are you ready are you ready for infinite bikinis yeah can't wait um is that the games you're playing the vega trailer on your tv right now yes it was that's the first time you're seeing that no no i saw it okay it was the first thing i saw when i woke up okay when did you wake up i woke up at like two o'clock okay three five fuck y'all they confirmed claw claw's back and the coolest thing about tanner and claw the confusion like fuck we can't have a single fucking game no where the confusion's gone bite a ball right now boxer it's now guaranteed to be on this roster just like it's so keen it's a set in so stone thing now but can't do claw so anyway i just want to say because you just opened this and it's ended here look at the
Starting point is 02:09:43 fucking texture quality on his cuff yeah so that's fucking well well this is where i'm going is the thing that i wanted is confirmed which is his alt costume where he wears the big shirt is now it's now a fancy fall yeah beautiful done you still got his nice pecs in the in the tattoo but you lose nothing with this costume other than like his shoulders i don't really love they go but it looks good to him yeah his his canon hair color is now blonde also yeah that's no longer it's flip flopped all over depending on the game well because brown in street fighter two with an alpha and then it's brown in some street fighter four colors and blonde and others yeah yeah but now it's blonde and it looks and it looks like he's died and it's the anime's fault yeah but
Starting point is 02:10:27 you know that's all over so no his his fucking v skill is he puts the claw away and it looks like his trigger is that he tracks over to you but no the trigger is the rose the rose and it's and it is a tracking super fast projectile that comes from anywhere and if it hits you he does like follow up yeah he does the the the shoot through your body okay and then he can follow it up so the deal with the i looked over the footage a bunch of times with the claw out he plays like classic vega so classic claw yeah with the claw gone his uh his uh his his wall dive no longer knocks down he gets access to a different role because there's no claw yeah he has a kick at the end yeah they're having more fun it's like yeah okay because you because depending on the game
Starting point is 02:11:13 you're playing like does does his dive knocked down or not no that depends oh yeah but in this one you pick it yeah also like making it something where you might want to intentionally have it off like like the taunt that throws it off type of thing yeah like if you can do clearly that's the inspiration yeah well you make it like a gen type thing where it's like wait i want it off for different options that's cool because my sweep in this version or my like maybe i need this particular move right maybe all his normals are the same with the claw on but when he's got the claw off his crouching fierce is like a really good anti-air that's the most interesting thing about his character let's use it yeah that's what you want to say yeah so yeah that's fine that's cool there you go um
Starting point is 02:11:56 so there's another one down yeah uh yeah i mean i wouldn't have minded like even more changes and just subtle design changes it's street fighter man yeah like it's still vega so he's still kind of like even these amounts even like putting a shirt on is like a massive oh it's huge no i get that but i'm thinking just like maybe like uh something else with the mask like a more elaborate pattern on the edges you know just a little minor dumb things that's like his single most defining characteristic i know and like that's kind of a shame isn't it you can't change the vegas like he still looks like vega and that's the problem but he's cool i love vega i know i'm really happy no i what i want is more of vegas personality yeah in his character like that this is a character
Starting point is 02:12:41 that almost more than anybody else i didn't expect to see again in this game i never thought i would i wouldn't i wouldn't either i thought dolson would show up for fucking vega that being said though vega vega claw is the most unique like fighter in terms of his moveset and that there's no other characters in fighting games that clone that yeah vegas all over the place and nobody dares nobody nobody's to clone that because you can't yeah it's too unique he's so cool but yeah but he's just fake looks right he's so cool but he's just really just like yeah it's weird yeah if vega didn't exist and this is a new character we'd be blown our pants off yeah of course of course yeah it's this i i'm not i don't play him you know it's not my style but god damn
Starting point is 02:13:31 i'm happy to get to play him again because he's always been a character i like to mess around with and hopefully this new version is maybe i maybe i'll main him i don't know he's cool you're not gonna make me just knock off all he'll be a pocket he'll put him in my pocket uh so we got some other announcements we've wow metal gear online three has been delayed by a shit ton damn okay we got a sick ass trailer for the super hot beta it's super hot it's fucking fire sick ass sick and uh it doesn't quite work it has to be super hot super hot collection time super hot like all the little extra text that plays yeah uh yeah i just like everyone can't wait what is there to say go watch this it's super hot really cool um just say that a bunch more times well there's they show
Starting point is 02:14:21 off a bunch of levels where it's less of like a puzzle corridor and more like you're in a shooter environment yeah and dudes are coming and spawning and you have to like take them as they come and then some play with the bat as well which is which is really sick because i didn't see that in some of the earlier things uh that's going on there is the announcement that uh oh iconoclasts is coming to steam and sony systems in 2016 which one is that that's the game that was made by the guy that made noi to love to okay yeah okay and that dude makes games yep and he makes money some of the most video game ass games and he needs money there was a bit years ago where he wrote a thing about how his family was fucking starving because he couldn't because nobody was buying his games
Starting point is 02:15:10 but they're so good he made legend of princess he played that game it's fucking superb go play all his games they're all great legend of princess is free i think he did it on his own yeah starving pixels it this guy's awesome now he's got like some published early he's working with or something i don't know i didn't even think the day really i'm pretty angry too you guys want to get food after this podcast no uh maybe no i don't know might have might not have time i'm really excited that like it's coming back you know it's just gonna have a big splash on release we don't are alone in my bathroom good stuff it deserves the spotlight the the out the demo beta whatever there's been a playable build of this game available for years and it's never and it was never
Starting point is 02:15:49 it's fantastic can we just use that purposely put out a demo on that term for every single everything ever is instead of saying beta demo whatever playable build yeah because it's way more honest yeah yeah but yeah go go play that if you're curious it's a fucking awesome metroid like game really his art style is is pretty solid he's good yeah he does really detail pixel art yeah it's very cool uh we got um that announcement we've got the one about uh gunjack which is another game taking place with mine jack taking place within the eve universe it's a sequel to it's a sequel to uh i got so ccp is putting out another eve universe spinoff game like dust uh 504 i bet it'll be quite not good like that one also well this one is uh specifically for
Starting point is 02:16:41 of the a vr headset and a a certain vr headset so it's like it might be exclusive is this is this a this is an eve valkyrie because there's also eve valkyrie which is for vr headsets no this this is uh for the samsung gear vr platform okay because valkyrie is exclusive to morpheus oh my god on ps4 and exclusive it's exactly vive on scheme oh Jesus christ it's exactly what i was afraid of we're gonna have exclusives dependent on different headsets well the most thing doesn't matter because there's only one console headset so it's default good job making when it's exclusive on pc to a headset that's fuck good job making me never want to get into this shit ever idiot so what we got we got the vive we got the samsung we got the oculus and the morpheus we already have
Starting point is 02:17:29 for morpheus i honestly think we can tick it off because it's on like you have no other choice yes you know what i mean yes but it's but it is a vr platform but it doesn't lock anything to it except for games made by sony right that are gonna be on it like like at the end of the day it's not making deals with p i don't think maybe they will if they're dude they're gonna be exclusive deals we don't know we don't know we don't know yet you're right you don't know yet they could you know so right now but right now we have four to choose from that are all gonna be rolling out soon and more are coming the idea that well and there's already a gear vr gear vr is pretty cool and google card would exist can we just can we just do something here can we just solve no key just
Starting point is 02:18:05 announce one or some shit too so can we get can we get like a like a a consumer advocacy group kind of situation where uh you slap john carmax face on the ones that he was involved with and that's the one you can box yeah yeah like instead of a nintendo seal of quality it's like john carmax fucking nerd face and you're like that's the one i'm gonna buy this guy knows how to build a rocket i trust him because honestly like it feels like unless they're being compensated by the the the company it's a terrible idea to make it exclusive yeah well um i know oculus with their with their facebook money uh went and funded a a bunch of games i think they confirmed there's like a dozen games or something they funded including that insomniac one okay i don't remember the name but
Starting point is 02:18:52 you remember insomniac's making an exclusive for oculus but the idea there was a lot of backlash to it and they were like well we funded the whole thing like yeah and worst like we single-handedly made the headset market like the idea the idea though that this already niche thing that it's i mean when it comes public we'll see how it's received but right now it's gonna be a fucking fragment of video game yeah exactly video game market to divide that further into smaller pies like stop this is a scenario it's the pc one that's fucked up and i maintain that because the ps4 one who cares it's that's the only option there's no other choice right there's no fragmentation possible right but on the pc where you're seeing them like eat at each other it's like man this is
Starting point is 02:19:37 a scenario in which like game theory comes in the to to fucking like prisoners dilemma kind of shit starts to happen or it's like okay i'm gonna do what's best for my company of course best for my company is to fucking put out the rival set and crush the competition right and that's what everyone does but in the in the scenario if everyone does that it causes a failure for all of them yeah what they should be doing is saying i'm gonna do not just what's good for me but what's good for me and my competitors because we need this industry to exist my platform yeah is the term the industry doesn't exist yet well they're they're all they're all willing to walk into this room with a knife on the chance that they come out alone you know i mean like yeah yeah fuck y'all
Starting point is 02:20:29 are working together it is if they do there's a lot of money in it for them but if they don't you should all be working to unify fucking development resources so shit can get ported and then fight on feature sets or fucking whatever start carving up the land before like the molten has even set the island do you want to see a fucking race to the bottom on vr technology no fuck there's already cheap chinese headsets coming out and everyone's considering like committing to a one but we already don't know like i just i read that that um that the the the test uh what is it the test review uh previews about the weave and about how the weave blows every other headset out of the water and how it's going to be like the big serious step that yeah this is the game i want
Starting point is 02:21:18 going to be on it we don't like you know what that's not a worry i want to have i already know i already know i'm gonna get the morpheus and probably only the morpheus because the only one that i don't have to fucking think about because i don't have to fucking care there's a standard to worry about what the fuck my pc has and i have to fucking worry about support i'll just fucking plug that thing into my playstation and go oh there's a vr game out cool oh that was cool no i i remember reading a hands-on thing i think it was a gamescom last year so almost a full year ago the guy who who tried morpheus and vive and uh oculus yeah and he was basically like yeah they're all good like whatever like there's there's slight differences but like
Starting point is 02:22:05 he was kind of like whatever okay i don't know i mean is that a reliable yeah who knows what he tried he tried you tried though like no i tried morpheus and it was i tried oculus and it was pretty good i only tried one oculus as well and it worked just fine so it's like oh you didn't get so that's plus one he said he said that was the worst of the bunch and and i'm like well that's fine so all right he's i think what he said was it was like a seven point five versus an eight versus an eight point five there there's the problem is that if you if you the thing is this if you do commit to the morpheus you're gonna be yeah you don't have to think about it but you won't have access to all that 3d virtual horsepower all right then and that's an industry that's a big
Starting point is 02:22:46 ready and rearing to go no did you see that i probably talked about this on holless before when we talked about vr but did you see the video of people watching porn in vr no it's awesome so somebody so what you do you know i've been oral audio works where you put two microphones where the where your ears would be yeah and then that creates a 3d effect yes you do the same thing with cameras that you throw onto a american or a person's eyes and what they did is they were they fucked in some porn people recorded a fucking porn shoot with that and then threw it into an oculus how did that go and then you it's one of those safer work things where everything's blurred out and you're looking at the people's reactions and most people's reactions are fucking
Starting point is 02:23:23 like shoot back into their chair like uh like like like body horror because get me away from this because it turns out most people don't want to actually be in their pornography they want that nice clean wall in between them where it's like okay it's gross over there and i can dig it but no it's gross and because it activates your your baby in the box there's a you know there's a sense called proprioception which vr plays on and it's your perception of things being close to your body and that shit fucks with it super hard in a very personal way which most i'm going to gather most people aren't going to be able to handle it's going to be too much so we're we're i'm super excited to see the world of like on the john bomb cast jeff talked about this a lot of not just with
Starting point is 02:24:16 porn but with like you know stuff like track mania or roller coaster shit i want to see like how what's the most extreme vr experience you can do that will like make you shit your pants or throw up all over yourself you're not going to get down or just or just or just it's going to be some like or like walk away in like a fucking cold sweat with heart palpitations you're going to get that off of a sketchy rar on a directory site that's not english yeah with a zip file or a rar file that's just symbols i was going to say people who are checking out the kitchen demo were saying it was like super fucked shit and it was awesome yeah like you see cam footage of people playing it and they're just terrified yeah that's a half the capcom demo and bypasses all your mental
Starting point is 02:25:01 defenses for media by making it think that things are actually within your your your body vicinity it's crazy porn's gonna be horrible it's gonna be horrible what a booming industry oh but yeah you know what it's gonna be it's like oh god that was the worst put me back in auto renew yeah yeah oh that was terrible i can't believe it sir what your your the headsets back on yes shut up um so we got that uh apparently it seems like ukulele by real world ukulele is not being fucking love that ukulele is not being published by team 17 in a move that i couldn't have predicted who's that nobody could have they made the worms worms guys okay oh yeah and it's not and not for physical release copies either the digital version is is now being published by okay yeah
Starting point is 02:25:53 they're just helping them out that seems fine good assist set from what they're from what their backer update came out to say it basically amounts to uh we don't want to worry about the stuff that's not making the game yeah that's all the stuff that's business end and the things that i have to do with hand it off to jimmy and say jimmy fucking do it that's fine so no uh they did a few like publishing of other games recently that seems fine yeah you know what doesn't seem fine fucking red ash what to be honest i'm like i think it came out i'm kind of tired of talking about it a little because now we're gonna get the game and it's not even gonna cost anyone's money i guess it's just so here's so like because my it came from my perception right it came from my
Starting point is 02:26:35 perception of when red ash got out i go what are you doing mighty number nine isn't even out yet and the phrase cart before the horse i think was very applicable to that and then halfway through the kickstarter it's like oh you just found a publisher couldn't you have waited two weeks and just found a publisher so they found a publisher and what ended up happening is the all the money that was put in so far was then going towards stretch goals that's fine it was pushed forward uh what happened is as soon as that was it was it was yeah exactly right what ended up happening was the moment that that announcement went they like uh four thousand dollars got pulled out of it because a bunch of people went that's
Starting point is 02:27:18 not where my money was people just don't want that yeah right if i had backed it i would have gone well oh i don't need to back it anymore and i would have pulled my money on too so yeah or like toned down my pledge to like just the the code for the games so no and and so you go look at it and uh it the it's the one day on the kick track that is in the negatives because that announcement came people went what all right this is so fucking weird it's a very strange timing type of thing just try and harder before putting the kickstarter out so now that it's wrapped what we have is the anime is funded um yay uh and the game is funded by fuse but not on the stretch goals that they're yeah none of those stretch so we're just gonna be getting that initial pitch which is great
Starting point is 02:28:03 which is basically uh as if they had made the exact amount they're looking for yeah no extra yeah um so we're gonna get the game and we're gonna get it uh whenever it comes out eventually yeah so it's gonna be the full calcannon incident which is like the first big major several episodes or something yeah exactly yeah so it was just it was a bit strange because and originally uh there's there's like rumors about how like um mighty number nine got delayed which it didn't which yeah it was complete fabrication and it was and people were kind of linking the two stories together yeah and thinking that like oh they were kind of yeah but believe we talked about it earlier but it's like concepts they don't have anything to do with the development side they just come up with the their production
Starting point is 02:28:48 and management and the reason why they were so assy to like get on to this thing was because they had nothing else to do their their hands were empty you know they they clearly have a second team that's not working on recor like yeah while uh you know the other business is being handled and whatnot but i you know at the end it still comes down to public perception and if the public perception i'm i'm well aware that like parts of my public perception are like somewhat inaccurate and in some cases like not entirely fair but i still can't shake that like feeling there like well if a writer writes a story and then it then their game goes to development and then the writers don't work in the game anymore and i know it's not fair and i know it's hypocritical because i backed
Starting point is 02:29:31 wasteland and um uh torment torment yeah which is the exact same fucking thing yeah what's up but jordan wiseman what's jordan no it's not it's brian fargo fargo is much better at just explaining that concept and made it okay in my head and well yeah they actually go on they bothered to explain and no one from concept bothered and it made me feel weird well i can't shake it clearly it wasn't just you because it wasn't gonna make it otherwise yeah you know no for sure and like i won't fight that they put it up at the worst possible time ever they put it up on if i'm not mistaken the fourth of july which is already like bad timing in the first place it just so happens that it was anime expo and that was the reason why they put it up but like so mad and of course they are my supposed
Starting point is 02:30:22 to kill me when i glue my hands off and of course like you know i've had the chance to see mighty number nine in person looks good everyone says it's fun everyone says it's actually really fun to play so like i'm not feeling that but like i i guess i see why people weren't keen like because it feels like these guys make this thing let that thing come into my hands but i'm i'm happy that it's happening and and exactly what you said like two weeks ago you said i'll play it when it's out when it's out yeah i've sworn off everything i'm just gonna play it when it's out it's the same thing that happens when like the the developers of rust you know that game yeah like they're they're working on that and then like some of that team says we're gonna start a new thing and people go shut the
Starting point is 02:30:59 fuck up and finish rust they go well we'll know it's different people that yeah do do a different thing but like shut up finish rust it's an alpha fuck off like you can't the nature of working on multiple projects like no matter how right you are people are gonna feel like people like me who know better yeah the odd gentleman and the homestuck game versus uh king's quest you know like that happens all the time um do it the uh shit was like i said yeah matt and i were like fucking laughing at this this this is a joke we made up where it's like keiji now has the power to start fading out at will so it's just like hey can you go get me a coffee oh i feel like i'm gonna be fading out if you don't get me that cup oh i was like no no no okay okay okay okay here's your coffee
Starting point is 02:31:52 can you take out my trash please and can you go feed my pet i might not last if oh oh and just at will just fucking abusing it and turning i want that to be taken to a logical extreme in which it irashi can turn into bats and and and every variant of every kickstart yeah i know yeah he's always been able to yeah that's why we're a hack because it's a hat that can steal it half-life three is literally not out because dude's making what Gabe is making actual crowbars yeah half-life three is the reality it is real one person will be picked as Gordon Freeman and they will have the time of their life nobody else that's no that person's already been picked it's the guy over at CERN and it's all big ARG yeah maybe but uh i don't know it's a shame because
Starting point is 02:32:44 like kickstarter is like the best thing that happened to video games in years it's a pretty damn good one and it's always it's always a bummer to see a big kickstarter that could have done better under different circumstances like you know if they had come at this with like some early video to show off and stuff instead of coming at it like so early and like i understand that you know according to them and they put out that demo as well the playable builds yeah well i mean i understand that according to them you know the schedules had to line up really precisely first what was it five c is yeah five c and them like yeah that does seem like a tricky balance but like you know if this had come half a year later with an early video of something and no anime i think
Starting point is 02:33:25 they might have been fine like kickstarter management has become a science an art and a science like bunny hop and you can see the good ones that Shenmue video just a little bit ago where he breaks down the the fucking company that ran it called awesome japan and they did it terrible and then how they fuck it like Shenmue managed to work through their own fucking shitty kickstarter but like super unclear and weird misquoted and if and putting out interviews were important information only exists in a single japanese magazine if Shenmue 3's kickstarter had been managed by the same guys who did the bloodstain kickstarter it would have hit 10 million like that yeah the bloodstain kickstarter i think was the best managed video pretty good starter ever
Starting point is 02:34:06 pretty good and that's why it got the i think i think uh i think i think eternity is probably like it's up there it's up there too well i feel like there's a misconception where some people kind of look at it and feel that kick starters are riskless venture right i and and super risky and it's the riskiest is throwing your money in the trash and hoping that it's not for the person not for the investors i mean for the people that are pitching it right and like something where if kg for example thinks that he's like from now on because of money number nine i can just go to kickstarter with stuff no it's like you have to realize that you're taking out goodwill there's a cost and goodwill exactly it's an invisible ethereal not quite clear not
Starting point is 02:34:50 tangible cost but it's super real it's super there and now we're seeing it hardcore turn into bucks and and and right and if there's a formula here that somebody could probably nail down where it's existing goodwill equals dollars and those dollars get subtracted out of the next goodwill attempt if those dollars don't materialize into a product by the time that next attempt like i think if the product comes out and it's as good as everyone expects all the goodwill instantly replenishes to a hundred and then has a 1.2 multiplier on it yeah but it's gotta be as good as everyone expects right yacht club yeah right kind of yacht club is like done and fucking done and everyone's on board with whatever the fuck they got a platinum put out a kickstarter yeah sure yeah you have
Starting point is 02:35:38 infinite goodwill right how did you guys get the backer tier for playable character because we're idiots don't even joke seven million dollars don't even joke how many mortgages but yeah none of us own a house matter i bet you got what i asked you're gonna mortgage the equity on my kidneys um no it's that's exactly it the bank technically owns my organization and and it's fine though my god zack and playable in mad world three yeah uh my favorite story this is the nvidia shield recall for you want to guess what the reasons are wait wait the shield is the portable one the tablet tablet the shield nvidia shield tablet i'm gonna okay i called i did not hear this story i'm gonna go my honest did you know the thing
Starting point is 02:36:34 he knows the reason okay so i'm the only one who can get the right i'm gonna go with battery exploding issues ding ding every fucking time there's a recall it's because the batteries are exploding literally has a chance a solid chance of burning your house down yeah if not it will light on fire maybe battery explosions in portable devices aren't just like aha they are physically dangerous they can fuck you up they can burn the shit out of you yeah my dad i get my dad my old phone i got my new phone right and he says oh man this battery's going good like well why do you think i got a new phone the whole battery's dead and it's all just by a new battery on on amazon and he goes oh pat i got this new battery for my phone last forever it's great now you'll see my folks
Starting point is 02:37:28 last week this is so i had my phone in my uh my breast pocket and i was like that's weird it's heating up and it heated up and it heated up and burned him and he fucking takes it out and it's scalding hot fuck and he fucking turns it off and immediately takes the battery out and fucking throws it right in the fucking trash yeah and throws and puts the trash out because like he's that and then the trash is on fire but like that thing had some internal time error that causes heat to build up and the the the materials that these batteries are made out of can't take it deal very poorly past heated past a certain amount yeah and will either burst into flames or depending on the construction of that battery just straight up explode like a bomb you are lucky if you get burned
Starting point is 02:38:18 by this or yeah because of the three scenarios that's the least yeah it's like a like a shotgun shell going off in your fucking tablet man so somewhat yeah not a big one like a baby like bird shot the shotgun shell just you can burn dude bird shot so if you are when you fuck up your balls you're one of the eight people that bought the shield tablet you need to pay attention bring it back and these devices are always the worst they're always the worst because it's always a laptop a tablet or a phone right because those are the three phone and laptop has these things pointed at your genitals and your tablet hasn't pointed at your face or in your bag yeah all please if you're fucking bad all your shit burns i can't i can't think of an
Starting point is 02:39:06 instance where this happened with like portable video game consoles xbox original had a wiring issue portable ones though oh yeah portable like because we see it happen with phones and tablets and like the only thing i can ever think of is the original xbox had a wiring problem on some models in which that power adapter which personally yeah the story where it's like blank like handheld console gotten for christmas murdered a child is like you can't recover no there's no ready i've said it before and i'll say it again there will be no horrific child recall item ever as bad as that fucking spaghetti eating doll for little girls oh yeah remember that yeah can't disturb the difference between air and spaghetti little fucking doll for like you know six to ten year old girl yeah
Starting point is 02:39:53 oh you feed the you feed the spaghetti or whatever and this fucking this motor in this thing was so strong that if it grabbed like a little girl a little girl's hair it would just go and go and go until it tore all of that bunch right out and the new story ended with like dozens of fathers on christmas morning had the only way to stop this would be to decapitate the doll in order to like to break down either the mechanism remove the battery from the doll it's like christmas morning and uh the dog daddy the dog's eating me it's fucking small soldier's shit like how how how oh so harry potter vibrating broon that was strong i know how i know some of them are just are way more straightforward like the uh the gas container underneath this pneumatic office chair
Starting point is 02:40:52 just blew the fuck up and that was terrifying and you just because how many offices have these chairs i hate sitting all of chairs now because i'm thinking about it i'm like how much would it hurt if that just plunged right up my butt if you sit out an office chair a lot a lot if you sit out an office chair at work and you hear it go it's got one of those pneumatic pumps in it and that thing that shit rolls up can detonate and blow your ass off and it blew off this guy in china's ass it blew up it blew up his ass through his ass into his stomach yeah and he fucking died immediately you imagine how much that would hurt probably you sit on office chairs all the time it's terrifying that's why in my office my office chairs were client yeah that story scared the
Starting point is 02:41:37 shit out of me man oh yeah i can't do i i sit on my chair at home and i'm like it's a one in a billion chance i'm tempting fate right now but that one in a billion chance is very scary yeah um and there's a little bit of xbox news one if you get gears ultimate you can uh you're queued up to download gears one through four really good deal on the 360 suddenly that terrible deal becomes an amazing it was what a 40 dollar title gears i think it was was it no i thought it was full price i think it's is it i thought it was maybe i think i'm crazy but you get gears of one remake yeah it instantly becomes good value now gears of what gears of work collection so that game now is now gears of one remaster plus those other ones so the the the only bummer into this and it's not a
Starting point is 02:42:24 bummer because it's the absence of a positive is that the pc version of that game now looks super shitty yeah that's true yeah enough so you can really do that the pc version of that game now looks like because you could bundle what gears two with double i don't know at best is gears two available no no no just one just one just one so you could bundle the original gears one like it's like and that's right it's a 40 dollar and that's like for your ex that's like salt in the wound because it's like well we can't we can't give you the best capability because we never gave them to you in the first place if you buy on pc then if you get an x-bone you have these codes yeah i guess so you know at best but yeah i saw i saw a thing it's like we're gonna start we're gonna have a
Starting point is 02:43:04 feature because of windows 10 where you can port or you can stream your pc games to your xbox why why would you ever do that i mean if you want to sit on your couch there might be a game or two that might be practical applications if you're not you're not not everyone has their pc if you're not with the pc plugged into a giant tv if you have not if that's not a computer setup yeah if you have a desktop computer in your corner of your room and then your console plugged into your tv over there like you own a one-room apartment pat there's no other setup for you if you are when i get when i get a larger apartment i will have the same look if you're i'm sure you're like a family man really and you have standard you yeah but that's what i'm saying
Starting point is 02:43:46 families shouldn't play video games get out all right then that solves that every time oh the we u game pad's great because my wife won't let me use the tv it was divorcer bam problem solved play place will tune or whatever what's on that system all right let's go i'm just like how long can we let can we let it run no we'll run itself out he knows he knows i'm sure this will come back at me and then of course you got i can't wait oh i can feel it oh oh god here it is yeah oh no Phil Spencer just comes straight out coming in saying like yeah we don't really want to buy third-party exclusives fucking good we'd rather make them so is it because you're getting blown up
Starting point is 02:44:25 on them or what i feel like Tomb Raider might have something to do with the statement maybe maybe who knows well i mean that's been the general sentiment towards microsoft for a long time is fucking start making games i remember ranting about like it's exact thing like a year ago years ago like we've spoken about this a lot ever since that i know it was one tomb raider happened i said instead of buying tomb raider how about you fucking make a game every time yeah well miss walker was a step in the right direction there was a step in the wrong direction you know and bought miss walker and sony discovered the perfect weird middle ground in which i'm not sure what to say about it where they say well we're making street fighters are you
Starting point is 02:45:03 yes are you we're paying for it yes like um are you paying to get it are you paying for i mean say what you say what you say what you know about like the first the quality of the first-party products at sony at least they're making yes like fuck and it like that's the problem with microsoft is i want i want more games from them because it like competition's good because then you get more games sony guy but they're not doing it and yes so it's like a street fighter four and street fighter five like a first-party game they go ah you know like no it's hey street fighter five is coming out you go okay well they won that perception battle at least because like everyone got mad about tomb raider because it was so fucking flagrant and also that
Starting point is 02:45:44 game was being made for those other flat four i'm never i'm never well and now they reconfirmed it's coming out in ps4 on winter 2016 and and also also my favorite part about this is they they say okay here's when it's gonna come out for xbox this holiday it's gonna come out for pc the following spring and then ps4 we're gonna make sure that's like fucking next year at one year just fuck those guys and it's like man couldn't like i almost wish the pc and ps4 versions came out simultaneously because at least it wouldn't be so like nakedly anti-competitor but i'll never forget about the things that like people just don't understand like bayonetta 2 and how that was received when it was like nintendo's actually making this game yeah well and paying for well paying for development of
Starting point is 02:46:26 this game yeah exactly and it's not buying it it's an exclusive they're actually they're making it and presumably that's what sf5 and that wasn't understood at all by a lot of people so we got no here's no shit really there's a difference there is a difference you don't need to explain it to woolly there's a there's a difference and it's the you're giving people credit and a lot of those people understood just fine shut up i don't know what you fucking give me that's that's what a lot of that is no i think a lot of people didn't even like a lot of people know a lot of people were sure you gotta check out the youtube comments no people are late i am missing out i'm gonna continue missing out thank you a lot of the comments were like more along the lines of
Starting point is 02:47:05 port it to the other consoles you hacks yeah like like that's a misunderstanding of what's the of the situation oh you guys you know oh you internet people i love you but no it's good like guess what you should if you're running a console you should make more first party games absolutely every or this goes for everyone including nintendo or uh like for more second party games whatever the hell it is that you pay the second party make it second party well that's that fake marketing name that nintendo made up well well yeah because i would say like any like all that shit that nintendo did with all those american companies yeah second party you know yeah but whatever like the there's there's there needs to be a name for that like i bet scale bound is they went to
Starting point is 02:47:46 platinum said hey you want to make a game for us they're like well we don't have the money it's like here's the money okay that's fine it's a first party game just like if it's funded or produced the whole thing if it requires that company to exist i think it's a first party game yeah i think that like first yeah to me first party means internal at this yeah that's that's what i wouldn't happen without it but it's still not internal team i know but it wouldn't happen without it i yeah i i'm on the same thing with you is like is it in the building is a party yeah is it with their money out of the building then a second party is it down the street and you don't talk to me rename the company to like location sony's nintendo well like what about what about legends all the twilight
Starting point is 02:48:30 princess first or third party give me an answer what you made that it doesn't doesn't matter nintendo nintendo made that first or third party first party what about legends all the oracle of seasons capcom first or third party like third party you think legends all the oracle of seasons third party call me minish cap is straight up it made by capcom i know all the all three had all the all three so if you have to get the fall on one side of it i'd say no it's it's it's it's weird because it's zelda but it's still third party i think if it if it takes if it requires one company how real workers party but it requires nintendo you know what i mean like but it's a third party nah it's it's it's in the building in the building or in a building with the name of
Starting point is 02:49:18 the company honestly these are all meaningless guys they're meaningless like i respect what you're saying i hope you respect what i'm saying yeah they both make sense and it doesn't matter it's like what what yeah like what briefcase is the money inside of like this like it's the same money this whole thing could have been avoided if microsoft had gotten to square idus earlier like way earlier like before the game was announced like have it be announced as a fucking xbox one exclusive then people wouldn't have had that weird worry instead of canceling the version instead of seeming like they paid dude i never i probably would have never agreed to it if it was like actually make it for just us like that would have unless the money it was big enough you can
Starting point is 02:49:56 make it for later but like the problem the whole image thing was that the game was announced before the exclusivity and the way that they they're like we're not talking about platforms right now but it was implied to right so it looks like they stole it yeah yeah so it's like we'll just get there earlier uh steal it steal away way earlier but just just make it just don't get costy you have to look into the future and know what you want it's all perception yes resident evil seven microsoft you better already gotten it it's it's probably too late now if they haven't already well they haven't announced it so it's not too late people it's not too late until the day they have people already think that microsoft money had it a game that hasn't been
Starting point is 02:50:35 announced yeah that's how crazy this thing has gotten out if you're looking to steal things then games tomorrow's gonna be nuts if you're looking to steal things from the future you can send the letter to superbestfriendcast at gmail.com what was that at email address super best friend cast at horsecock.com yeah and if you go to horsecock.com and use promo code bully and you'll get a free month subscription to horsecock fully gets a free month subscription to horsecock you scratch back and scratch yours there you go so i'm opening it over on rio yeah exactly a horse it's of course it exists do it horsecock i'm gonna do it pat's do it hit enter i'm gonna do it what is it enter what are we looking at it's not an incognito tab that is
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Starting point is 02:52:09 don't make a fan site to this podcast on horse cock.com i don't know i think it's a good idea if someone bought it and just redirected it no no no that's that's that's that's the new place we're gonna host the podcast we can put that on our business cards oh that's beautiful it makes everyone scared to go to our website yeah this is really important this really podcast i was doing sure at horse cock dot com what about dot au dot au what about what about dot pizza okay so we got one coming in from bernard and he wants to know if we think that a western company will ever be able to make a good character action game yeah eventually well vigil almost yeah vigil came really really close vigil almost the fucking guy who designed that combat's really
Starting point is 02:52:59 good at rising thunder because apparently he bodied the shit out of me on stream i believe it like dude like i went the first or second day and people were going me on towards like yo the guy who did dark ciders to combat just kicked your ass what like when i was working on dark ciders to all the development documents all the moves in that game were lifted from fighting games that's the one do it like snk stuff like he knew i believe the ninja theory could do it with the right fucking like focus helm you know what i mean with someone pointing them where they need to go yeah i think they can do it they can do it they're the closest i think yeah and i love as much as we shit all over dmc that's a solid game but you take the title off of
Starting point is 02:53:39 it you take title off it i would love that game it's fucking solid yeah the baggage no uh gunfire games now all the x vigil who went to cry tech who went to now gunfire games they're making a game for uh for vr platforms right now that is definitely not character action but it's a third person action hey for fuck's sake this this this question could have been renamed just like three or four years ago could americans ever make a good fighting game right exactly now well that's the answer that's the crux of what i kind of i really hope that the gunfire come back around because at thq they were gonna work on a game called crawler that was even more character action even less exploration but it got completely in it i never saw any of it it never went to i bet lab zero
Starting point is 02:54:20 could make a fucking kick ass character action kid 2d1 yeah yeah but like we shall wake exists yeah but uh dishwasher's pretty close if but if you want to see uh pick up a copy of darksiders two and just look at the combat like the combat's there the rest of the rest of the game's not all there but okay um good question though yeah fun fun fun question good question so we got one coming in from uh alex and he just wants to know um if one killer instinct character should have a spinoff game what should it be should be a saber wolf wait wait fuck too late damn it should be a horror game with hisako as the villain i i thought about that the other day i was thinking about a killer instinct movie with hisako just showing up halfway as like a
Starting point is 02:55:10 fucking jump spin no no hisako is a horror game where hisako is the villain and your character has character action style sensibilities but she's able to just eat it and counter you bummer this is a question matt would like i know yeah there's there's so i feel like kanra aghanos like aghanos is the one that compels me the most because they have the biggest story between them yeah yeah like i'm thinking of an aghanos game where you start it with your full set and as yeah you get degraded and regraded exactly i could see i could see like spinal getting some game i i don't like it'd be like medieval i don't know why but the one that's flashing the most in my head is tj combo but i don't i don't know what that'd be i don't know what i want i just like tj
Starting point is 02:55:54 combo right i just want to see more of him it'd be a lot of dating sim life simulator where he's a washed up action star but i don't know like i think i think sidira could have something going on like she has enough of a mysterious backstory that like there could be anything there i feel like that's a total cop out sorry when your reasoning is like well they're mysterious and i don't know but like whatever she got a cool action game whatever like it doesn't all of them are cop outs like fuck off they're all in one's a skeleton yeah like you said nothing and i said nothing but mine's a cop out fuck off the dumb skeleton yeah no i don't know let's let's let's let's i feel like you're calling it a cop cop out just a deflect from yours maybe yeah maybe you're maybe uh you're
Starting point is 02:56:33 starting to get wise to my schemes so shut up maybe the cat is wise to the mouse's game yeah exactly wait wouldn't it be the uh no all right it's uh what's the next question high guns anyway plants yeah that shit was cool it was cool great they fucking deserved the next question try guns overrated i think it it's not rated at all no one rates it i thought you were gonna say it's underrated at which point i was gonna find like something to throw at you no no i'm gonna say it seems extreme it's like no one has no it's not overrated a lot no one has opinions about try good it's like saying that's like saying samurai Champloo is overrated like what yeah exactly like people go what's samurai Champloo is that that's shitty debop like no it's actually great
Starting point is 02:57:24 but yeah this is shitty people um hey people in pat uh oh so that's good okay i like it this one's this one's it's got some meat to it so here we go i want to send a response to recent discussions about new players getting into fighting games and talks about inputs and rising thunder yeah um i found your discussion somewhat one sided with consideration as to why motions still exist in fighting games today it's disappointing because a lot of new players don't understand why motions exist and come to resent them and call for the removal um first of all srks are too good to be instantaneous imagine how powerful it would be if it were just a button i have so many i feel like i'm waiting to get talked about this so i'm gonna go through it and then i'm gonna say what i always
Starting point is 02:58:04 use the catcom versus a k2 easy operation game as the most absurd example of this taking a win extreme uh looking further into motions the difference between guiles and reuse motions there's some interesting stuff when it comes to the difference between a flask it can assure you specifically the mental hurdle of executing one move versus the other it's harder to explain but you feel for yourself how basically all guile has to do to if guile all had to do blah if all guile had if all had guile had to do was press up and kick compared to reuse srk which requires you to move side to down to down middle to yeah let's ignore the motions of the lenient cnsf4 the latter requires a lot more mental commitment than the former flash kicks are better
Starting point is 02:58:41 than sure use yes they are uh thus adding uh another dimension to the ability to react to a jump in versus predicting one um and uh he goes on he believes it adds significantly to the game and and goes on about that whole type of setup and the end guess what you're right the reason why certain motions exist and why certain ones don't he's totally right and totally right and a sonic boon kicks the shit out of the fire but the spirit of what he's saying is about how charge characters have to commit to a charge and that works into their play style when you could fight them a certain way and break their charge uh whereas motion characters don't have to worry about that and i think to be clear we like rising thunder and the way it is but we're
Starting point is 02:59:22 not saying that street fighter six should not have inputs exactly we're not saying every game like we're not saying guile should be able to press a button and get a sonic boom i like my that game exists and it's busted yeah and it's called cap because it's too because it's right at the bottom of this he says seven twenty instantly it's horrible exactly at the bottom of this he's like i could talk about grapplers in the 360 motions and stuff but i don't enjoy people who say or who are saying why don't all fighters do this or that kind of talk yeah and that's not at all what we're saying if you look at rising across that's all we meant you look at rising thunder and that's a perfect example talos has a 360 style command grab which is a button now if you
Starting point is 02:59:59 gave that to zangief that would be horrific you'd be god you'd be godlike you'd be unstoppable and that's why that command throw that talos does doesn't even do that much more damage than a regular throw yeah because it's so good in its properties plus it has follow ups plus it has follow ups so like yeah i want well and same with cell who has an uppercut on with a button yeah the idea i want my motions the idea that that this game exists without them is just we're fair we're happy to see it because there's so many people fighting games as a genre have a problem in them works that most people almost 90 percent of them if not more don't see the part that makes them fun they don't see the game they never get the controls they never get to the fun part right
Starting point is 03:00:43 the the challenge of playing the game ends up being trying to do the moves yeah here using them in a context here here's how mine reads my mentality would hit it it's like do you have more control over a manual car than an automatic car absolutely yeah you can do all sorts of stuff and a lot of people particularly europeans there's more manual cars out there love driving their fucking manual cars and doing the stick shift and something like that and that would be us with classic fighting games and inputs but some people are fucking freaked out by those cars and can't handle it and just get in the like if my mom tried to fucking drive stick yeah she would not get out of the fucking driver yeah there's no way it's an achievement to get out of the and it's just this
Starting point is 03:01:24 clutch and and like that sucks because there's joy in driving and people like driving but to the people who are given only a manual car and said learn this before you even get on the road no that sucks and those people can't drive and it's more about here's an automatic for you and it's more exactly and it's more about allowing people to even know that this part of the game exists and then people can say oh this automatic there's one brand of toshiba or whatever toshiba they make tv's what hundai fuck it is automatic oh i get it taking turns and power sliding that's a lot of fun but if the person never even gets in a car to begin with because they're terrified then they might never ever see exactly that or even know about it existing so that's why and then after
Starting point is 03:02:10 they spend a year driving automatic they might go like oh i want to try like an american muscle car and and learn stick no i love fighters too much to ever want to recall like that honestly this analogy is better than i thought it would be because i'm saying learn stick learn how to drive sticks that works yeah right exactly but i nailed it i finally got a good analogy but no like uh like i don't remember his name dude uh yeah you're totally right and and yeah we're not saying yeah all games should switch to that oh god that'd be horrific and and and and like to re-emphasize uh yes you there is absolutely a mentality shift in playing charge characters versus a multi-character yeah yeah for sure um one of the most i love playing charge one of the most blatant ones same here one
Starting point is 03:02:52 of the most blatant ones is the difference between a bison's ultra 2 when they went from super to uh arcade edition oh it went from being a motion to a charge yeah because when bison's ultra 2 was a motion it was it was the scariest thing in the world he could just walk forward and if you pressed the button he'd ultra punch yeah right but what do you have to charge it it means he has to commit mentally to this and then or it's a complicated air-to-air setup and it changes the way he's approaching that match because he can't do it on reaction that's why he has to predict you're going to do it and counter you that's why nash and sf5 is so fucking weird because he's throwing sonic booms in the motion yeah and they weren't weird they're all slow they're not for the classic
Starting point is 03:03:37 right and the other and the reason why sonic booms and headokens are different the difference between the two is that sonic booms recover almost immediately and you can throw fierce punch after that shit because they take a bit to charge and do if you threw them out like headokens you'd have you'd throw them up instantly like you want to like an example from alpha it's like uh armika has the butt bounce yeah there's she has armor she has a punch and kick version and the punch version starts instantly but has recovery the kick version and the kick version has startup but no recovery yeah it's like that if that mentality is split between two different characters you get a charge and a motion character and in Rising Thunder it just so happens that they balanced
Starting point is 03:04:17 everyone about the like you look at alex alex doesn't have a 360 except for his super and he's faster and he has better normals but his throw doesn't do as much damage because why would it it's not as complicated it can't come out as easy because he's as hard because he's meant to be a a hybrid yeah character with and it's like and this is taking the whole cast down to that level it's like guess what you can still have a great deep game even with this yeah and the fact that charge characters that often do high damage but again can be fought by crossing them up breaking their charge and so on and so forth they're really it balances things out so it's taken into account you're totally right but don't worry about it our motions are going away and there we don't want
Starting point is 03:04:59 we don't want them to go away we just want automatic cars to exist for people that want us to try that out absolutely I think if the whole like next wave of fighting games was announced without motions we need to be angry I'd be scared yeah scared yeah it's true I'd be like oh no you know what that said that said I do see people like vehemently pushing back against the no motions thing calling it like like a complete casualization like Seth wants to ruin fighting games and stuff just like David Cyril and I get where you're coming from but you're insane like and I I can kind of empathize with some of that it's like I hate Talos in Rising Thunder I hate him so much because I don't want my fucking one button throw I want to do my motion yeah I don't even like guilty
Starting point is 03:05:43 gear throws being half circles I don't like no I want my 360 I want to hit my 360 god damn it you you want that character from my arm does 360s all day you're asking where you're doing 720s and friend as many as you can 1080s do multiple 720s you get a bonus yeah I'll set that up I'll set up a 3 720 setup fuck okay uh I was uh Silas wants to know if you often don't complete games that are not LP related and if so why because there's too many sorry do I do I do I do we play our free time complete yeah um okay uh question so there's there's two kinds of games there's the game that you play because it's good and there's the game that you play because you have a spark yeah for it and the games that you're playing because oh this game's
Starting point is 03:06:38 awesome I heard it's really good I'll put some time into it I don't finish almost any of those but the games that I go oh man yeah oh that's coming out like those ones I finish almost every single one like um this year I'm trying to beat 52 games in a year oh you're on that shit I do it every year um last year I did 54 I was really happy yeah you and fucking shmuck god pat so he goes for 100 he goes for 100 now um the I was trying to thought I'm at 20 I'm at 28 already so I'm like you're on track because I'm about on track because it's just a bit past halfway through the year exactly or eighth uh yeah I'm close to the you feel like you're not a gamer if you don't complete that it just helps me actually finish my games to have a goal okay because it's like
Starting point is 03:07:25 because otherwise they just amass on the shelf but it's like when I look at how many games I bought this year I bought triple that amount that amount or like quick I don't even know and I don't know and you know like time stops for no man waits for no almost almost go into the future and guess what more games will be almost every single week I buy a game almost every whether it be a digital game whether it be a $10 game whether it be a disc almost every single week because I need to I need to know for myself because it's what I like but also like but also for the channel now that I'm doing this like I did this before the channel but like now there's a second the second push for it I just can't beat every game I don't beat every fucking Neptunia game that comes out those games
Starting point is 03:08:05 are awful no I love them I finished two there are 10 those games are awful yeah like I do not like I can't I can't possibly to me but but then I get to games like ground zeroes where I played like 37 hours of it I have an amazing replay to send to you because I did a cool thing in ground zeroes but I'm probably the least completion of anyone because I gravitate towards absorption games I'm going to use that term that's a free absorption games where in the past fucking 12 months I I'm playing Witcher an MMO and Monster Hunter and that's it actually that's within the past five months yeah like those games killed 30 games each yeah I have x hours per week of time that can be spent on a given game and it just if I do I give it my best I try
Starting point is 03:09:01 and if it happens to be within the time frame that I'm allotted then it'll happen but sometimes it doesn't and are you guys like that where you have a very clear denotation of I should play this and I need to play this oh yeah because like there's all this here great things about this this is really awesome and you throwing it this is great and then you just kind of fall off but and there's that and then there's the games it's like you are compelled to like oh I need to do it there's games the problem is that the ones oftentimes the ones for me that are like I need to get back to this are the ones where getting into a session is like a slow start because if you lose the momentum I'm having that that's the witch you ever get back to Xenoblade yeah last story yeah I mean
Starting point is 03:09:49 dude I'm I'm need more stomach slabs I feel like I feel like I thought about front mission three more than I played it at this point yeah but I still put in a bunch of hours of that but it's long see that that's good so long and I'm trying perfect example of your playing it because it's awesome not because you need to play it like I sold you on that game and you're like this game is awesome I should play it you didn't come into it where you saw it like oh my god this fucking I need to beat it now and just ignore other stuff because the moment is is when something else comes up that's cool and you're like I should play that and you go fuck that game I'm playing this one so that's why I always always will be someone that doesn't get mad when a game comes out and it's short
Starting point is 03:10:36 except for it depends depends because like the things I heard about the order are like there's a point where it's too short for right there but if but if we're talking about five six hours and like it doesn't have to be a bad and I'm expecting and it's and I didn't expect that much more from it then I'm always going to be okay with that because I'm like it fits into my life because we're adults and we have disposable income and responsibilities now so I don't I don't hate that I know for sure now back when I was fucking 15 and was the fucking shut in and had my rpg fuck you mirrors and my cd burner like let's go yeah but those days are gone yeah no I hear you man I you know I and I there was a point in that fucking era the ps1 n64 era where if you were on
Starting point is 03:11:26 point and you had methods you could play everything yeah all of it now you can't now it's totally impossible too many games to play nowadays too many there's too many good ones to play yeah too many games that are worth your time and that that I hate that like idea that games today are worse no like there's more good games than I ever have because people are worse it's it's it's it's taking the examples of good shit it's uh it's something called yeah it's called the diffusion of of like media culture idea channel did something about this it's it's why leave it to beaver is like what you think of of the 50s and how like there's all the family and happy days and stuff like that for the 60s but then you hit the 70s and that starts to fall apart why because there
Starting point is 03:12:07 were more tv shows there was not the one good show three networks so when you look back to 86 there's like well there's Final Fantasy and there's Mario there's Mega Man and stuff like that and everyone can go yeah man those were the games you go to 1995 you can still kind of get that you know that 2008 hundreds of games I don't know Bioshock came up you you've played as much game you've played as just as many games as I have as much put as many hours into it but we have not overlapped you know what I mean like not you but I'm saying there's people out there yeah with no overlap with me and what and some games are getting longer and more filled like mmo's didn't exist in the fucking 80s those games are time vampires look at monster hunter there's another
Starting point is 03:12:53 monster hunter coming like soon x or whatever yeah cross cross excuse me because Japan don't know Japanese I'm sorry how are you yeah I don't know it's it's impossible to finish every game like like no it's possible to finish every game you buy but that means you're like stop buying games that means you are de facto sacrificing playing a variety of games unless you have no job and no obligations like even 2bf which does not consume like a 60 hour work week or some bullshit like it does one shit fucks up it's still yeah when shit fucks up it gets a lot worse but like even even with a job that like is can be perceived as relatively light like it's there's still too many fucking games to even hope to play everything especially for people like us that like follow the
Starting point is 03:13:37 industry yeah actually too much it's where you hit a point where like I need to touch this I don't need to beat it I don't need to even to get halfway but I need to know what this game is and if it's good enough I won't be able to stop yeah but if it isn't well the the core of this and it's not just us it's not people in our position it's anybody who's over the like the age of 25 is having this problem to an extent that if they love games you have to let your bat a backlog go you have to have to logger it you have to kill it you have to murder it do you remember the end of titanic with old lady throws the fucking thing and you have to do that with that you have to give up do you know what I did last year when I was rearranging my my whole fucking apartment
Starting point is 03:14:16 I I took like three quarters of my games off my shelf and I put them in boxes that I wrote super backlog on and I put those in the closet right I don't want to get rid of tsugunai atonement for the ps2 yeah I just don't want to play it for the next 30 years okay seriously so so like so what I my mind for me those games aren't like they're in my room they're not in the library they're sitting in my room but on your xbox but that doesn't they ain't going yeah that doesn't mean anything okay you see I got these shelves with video games on you see how they're organized to console yeah less see that top shelf over there that's a milage of bullshit yeah that's what the actual intentional backlog is and even that I haven't touched him like a year yeah trauma team
Starting point is 03:14:58 fuck you you haven't played trauma so that game is awesome yeah I know I need to get back to it at some point no way I know I called hospital yeah so I just anyway I'm just I'm never ever like you know you know what's the trauma team what brown chia it's true did you know that did you know that no it's the same this is it's her okay she's fucking man all right well yeah no so I I just I'm not going to change my habits on that I'm just not going to feel bad about it yeah yeah no you shouldn't feel bad about it ask you a question will it's totally suffer from everything yeah are you trying to like go for like a more mature thing you're like one of my dad's shirts oh no I have no I had somewhere to be because like it's freaking me out yeah I had someone because
Starting point is 03:15:40 it's working this is this is my job interview shirt because you look like like like you're dadding it up right now he's got to go to a job then it works yes exactly no and there there's there's your brown chia right there oh wow there you're right no it's just called hospital that's crazy it's yeah no I'm going to see I'm going to have a business meeting after this I see you know that'll do business no it's actually my financial advisor no you have to do that so you shouldn't have burned all that money it was a bad idea it's like I was hot you bought how many harlock figures this quarter can I recommend that you unsubscribe from horse porn.com it might be a good idea as your advisor these are like it's you're doing five year subscriptions sir
Starting point is 03:16:25 you send in your your credit card records and that's great why does this repeat so often you have multiple subscriptions multiple five years so could you could you not cut it down well what sometimes sometimes the login it doesn't I have to go to my backup login I need to I need to buy all the typoed logins so that even when I'm at my horniest and least cognitive I can still log in even when I face or all the keyboard because I'm too drunk you can still make it in hey man I'm just because you bought all the titles I want to support what they do I just believe in that industry or in a case and it believes in me sir it says here you gave $10,000 to the Kickstarter for the horse porn.com add on to the autoblow too what's coming out uh Russell Mania continues
Starting point is 03:17:20 Russell Mania does autoblow the autoblow winnie and nuzzle pack oh wow you went that oh my jugular there it is there what's coming up um re3 continues Game of Thrones and Resident Evil is going on now because of the uh Russell Fest that's happening uh because of Russell Fest Star Fox has pushed off a little bit it is still going but it is I when is it starting up the schedule is getting stretched because of Russell today ultimately you know we we are the three playthroughs that we do at a time yeah we'll continue just alongside Russell Mania yeah because Russell Mania takes the top spot every day so they just get pushed yeah they get stretched so Star Fox is going to go on then just stretch it out and then after Game of Thrones ends a lot
Starting point is 03:18:08 of people are asking Life is Strange is going to begin immediately and it's going to go I know it's not going at like this right now but it's going to go Rezzy, Star Fox, Life is Strange, Rezzy, Star Fox is Strange. I feel like those but those have been releasing like in tandem with each other they have it's always been back to back for us you know I guess they have similar like milestones and shit because I guess on paper your objectives like a month about it and they all kind of managed to hit it so I guess they just lines up but I think this is by far the shortest Game of Thrones episode I hear so did you get four episodes the four episodes long or is it three episodes long three three oh that's short yeah exactly short dang loose ends you know so that's that's that's
Starting point is 03:18:48 what's going on there Russell Mania we'll keep going we have lots of amazing intros oh that's what what are you watching that's a webm that got posted on our reddit of like Rising Thunder glitching the fuck out during a cross-up that's a cool bug that's some bugs yeah I wonder if that's online related um shitty connection required anyway look what happens like it's he just gets touched by the ground he's like oh that's weird anyway it's gonna pretty much be the status quo for a little while yeah um and I mean do you like what you're getting good because you're getting it you're getting it and uh you know when the when things naturally phase out
Starting point is 03:19:24 things will phase in yeah exactly that's that's it I I I feel like as we go through different like eras of playthroughs or whatever you want to call it like kind of coming waves well they come in waves because a lot of the time they tend to end and start up at the same time yeah so yeah that's totally unintentional unintentional I will pick games of wildly varying lengths and then they will all end within a week and we have that meeting where we're like exactly like we all we all had we all had arguments and suggestions about what everyone's gonna do and now all of them are on the table simultaneously and we have to fucking fight over I remember back to back meetings where we went we need to do shorter playthroughs and then we went we need a
Starting point is 03:20:07 really long place back to back meetings those where we'd go we need to do shorter playthroughs like back to the punch and then we need a really long one to hold it down yeah and it's just like there's yeah this this fucking yeah I didn't sign up yeah I know everyone this is garbage you literally signed up for this when you got when you got a from soft game on the slide everyone can breathe easy for a little bit more yeah exactly yeah that's what I can that's what I fucking boil down to right it's like oh oh this we don't know what we're guys do something long all right let's do it brick glass in case of yeah exactly why do you think already three is going on right now actually that's like the first 10 minutes of that that episode where we're like
Starting point is 03:20:50 ah we didn't know what we're gonna do fuck it there's more wrestling evil inside hill games in that tank you know you didn't actually have to break the glass right we just open oh no it's fun it's fun to break the glass all right that's what's coming out and what are you looking forward to attack on Titan live action yeah the anti Levi edition I hope there's a really cool remix of one of the songs in there I'm really looking forward to actually we fucked up we are gonna have another video this week it's gonna be of course Microsoft games column oh yeah we do that yeah well that's that's uh we're recording that tomorrow so that's gonna be a third video tomorrow it's gonna have to be try well whatever tomorrow the day depends how long that video
Starting point is 03:21:33 we're gonna get back to you yeah we're gonna we're gonna I'm looking forward to dinner I'm super hungry yeah yeah I'm looking forward to what I'm gonna have but I'm gonna wander out and forward for food um I just I got some leftover I completely finished Steven universe and uh Eric Andre show so my ability to just go fuck it yeah I'm gonna hit the next button is gone so I'm gonna need to find something new to watch did you watch will jack to yet no oh jack to am solved done that will last me like tonight 20 minutes yeah you know my fucking media absorption that's what Netflix wants from you um what are you okay I noticed you watched all of Sons of Anarchy in a single day what are you okay which are which are three continues to be super
Starting point is 03:22:18 good at ff 14 I'll continue to fail at rating oh that rate sucks in his heart oh god and Matt will be back next week hopefully uh slightly more married than last slightly more getting getting more married over time the ring is forming on his finger oh that's gross how it happens yeah it's like uh is he even gonna wear a ring I don't even know that's a wedding band oh wedding man yeah do you have a choice depends I am under the impression I would I would love to wear wedding that it looked really nice I assume everybody has their because you get to get to be all like you get to be like someone with an apple watch you just walk around like that on the street right you know what you know what he's gonna get to do when he's fucking for real married he's wearing
Starting point is 03:23:07 the band we're gonna be like oh I'm gonna I was out with my girlfriend he goes yeah that's how quaint if I'm wearing this shirt though it don't matter no exactly you're killing it fucking business all right we'll see you guys for real like you look great why thank you later guys you you you

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