Castle Super Beast - SBFC 116: NBA 2K16: GHOSTS ARE INVOLVED

Episode Date: October 27, 2015

Fun facts: 25% of us will spend next week getting hitched. 50% of us spent the whole week playing Street Fighter V. 75% of us agree on what the NX is going to be, and 100% of us aren't ready for spook...y basketball ghosts.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I guess the fact that we worked at the studio that predicted the future political climate of our country. I guess that answers something. Answer some questions, doesn't it? So what you're saying is that we're going to be, soon we're going to be shooting American immigrants that are illegally crossing the Canadian border? Soon I'm actually going to have a bionic arm. Soon, Saref is going to Detroit to fix it from its horrible, horrible Detroitness.
Starting point is 00:00:40 The Habs are going to go on to win multiple playoffs in a row and the Red Wings are going to be in the dirt forever. And of course the Olympic Stadium is a mecca giant that the entire world aspires to be. Somehow that would be less expensive than it is right now. You've got to ride that funicular down to the bullshit. Dude, we're going there. CBC was saying they have to sell a bunch of their buildings and Justin wants to give money to the CBC.
Starting point is 00:01:04 So he's just going to give them the Olympic Stadium. Wow, no one knows. Literally no one knows what we're talking about. He's the most Canadian. If the CBC moves into the Olympic Stadium at the top of that funicular, it's time to hold people accountable and start asking some dark questions like what do you guys do when you get there? Do you have a time machine?
Starting point is 00:01:26 The moment that happens. I mean, it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there. Thank you. So let's connect the dots here. We worked for us for the next Iros Montreal, D.S.X. And Justin Trudeau is prime minister. Which made some suspicious claims about the future. The weirdest thing about that is like the guy wasn't even like running back then.
Starting point is 00:01:49 That was out of like fucking nowhere. It was a guess. It was a guess that like he'd want the throne someday. It was the guess that Joffrey would come back to take his claim. A lot of Americans don't know this, but our prime minister sits on a throne. He does. Yeah. Like Leon.
Starting point is 00:02:06 He gets a little scepter. That's why we're still part of the Commonwealth. Yeah, this is a fact. And even more insight to what we're talking about. You read all the emails on certain computer screens in the Montreal level of the revolution. You'll see a lot of like the minutiae of what by D.S. Montreal is thinking at the time or unwanted the world to be crafty. The writers for all the PC logs like really put a lot of work into that.
Starting point is 00:02:31 It's crazy how much detail there is just on random PCs that you never have to touch. Still really bummed out. We never got to go to the plateau. Like that. That was supposed to be like early. I remember reading like they're supposed to be four levels. Montreal was supposed to be a place and upper. Upper Hangshot.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Upper Hangshot. Yeah. And like, oh man, go down to the plateau and like punch robots that are riding their fixed gear bicycles. Yeah. So, welcome to episode 116 of the Super Best Friendcast. 116. What's our...
Starting point is 00:03:02 I feel like there's an old lady that that's... What's our super interesting 116 fact? That's a generic fact. We didn't do last week either. We skipped a lot of them. 115. Ever since 110. I've been doing it every week.
Starting point is 00:03:16 I thought we didn't do it last week. Last week was the only one. Oh, okay. Because one count is a lot of them, Liam. I remember all or being this, but maybe that's just me thinking. Ever since you've made it your mission to ask me in like two, three, stop that thing. Because you wanted to make it a thing, because now that I have answers for you, you stopped that thing.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Yeah, exactly. Why? Did you know that? I never wanted answers in the first attempt. You created a monster. I just came to your concert to complain. This is your give-it. Did you know that 115 is divisible by five?
Starting point is 00:03:45 There we go. That's last week's. What do you actually have? 115 is the number of the chemical that causes the zombie outbreak in Call of Duty. That's cool. Wow. What? Which Call of Duty?
Starting point is 00:03:57 In the Call of Duty zombie shit. Element 115 is the number. Oh. And as far as 116 goes, 116 is the record for the number of wins in a single season of MLB baseball by the Chicago Cubs. That's a lot. What? 116 wins by who?
Starting point is 00:04:12 The Cubs. The Cubs. The record for the number of wins by the Cubs in 1906. Okay, I was like, that can't be. That's when they played five games today. And the Seattle Mariners in 2001. Wow. They play a lot of games of baseball in a season.
Starting point is 00:04:24 What the hell? The power is crazy. Because the Canadians are about to get like their ninth or tenth game won in a row. That's going to be a world record. Six before a loss was the original record, yeah. And now they're like nine, and that's going to be a new record. No, baseball is a hundred. A baseball pitcher will like play a game and then throw out his arm or whatever and then
Starting point is 00:04:45 rest for 40 games before coming back. Yeah, yeah. That's true. It sounds like years. The reason why there's so many baseball games is because it's so easy to play baseball. There's, well, they play a lot of games and so you can play as much as you want to watch. I'll put it, you're not, you're not, how about this? You're not as tired at the end of a baseball game than you are at the end of any other
Starting point is 00:05:07 season. No, because you spent the end, you spent the end. We're just drawing lines. Yeah. Some mega stars in baseball had people run for them. Some mega stars in baseball have people bat for them. That's true. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Pinch hitting is the ultimate cowardice. There's nothing worse. I thought it was soccer. No, no, no, no, no, this is, this is one concentrated thing where soccer is just a cowardice. Okay, I'll go all over. Like, I'm bad at baseball. Someone played the baseball for me. Give me my money.
Starting point is 00:05:37 I'll do the other bit. That shit is outrageous. Damn. So you just want pictures shitting up the plate? Yeah. That's actually exactly what I want. And as a bit of a side fact, it's also the number of pages Joseph Smith commanded with that were the lost pages from the Book of Mormon, the Golden Plates and all that shit
Starting point is 00:05:59 with the, what is it, the Angel Morona? It was 116. The All-American Angel? Yeah, the All-American Angel. Yeah. Yeah. That was 166. That was something.
Starting point is 00:06:09 There was 116 lost pages. Pat, did you ever see that Book of Mormon? I was about to say, did I ever see the Angel? Like, no, no, I have not seen the Book of Mormon. You should make the effort if you can. If there's some digitized version out there, some digi-book script, I don't know, look over it. That would be crazy.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Well, the thing is, like, I first saw it, like, years ago before I had a chance to actually, like, go see it live. Yeah. Because it was like, someone just, like, cammed it and threw it up the slide. Yeah, I remember you mentioning that. And that's where I saw it, and it was fucking amazing. It's fantastic. You know, I was just like, okay, I need to, like, see this lot.
Starting point is 00:06:42 You saw it in New York, right? Or no? No, I saw it here. No, he saw it here. He came to town. Yeah. I saw it here too. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:06:50 And I think you were the one that told me it was up originally. So I'm surprised you didn't actually go watch it. No, I saw it in the Metro. I saw it in the Metro. It was me. Dude, I don't know. Huh. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Not the live show here. Oh, the video. The actual way back in the day because it was off of Lou. So, whatever anyway. Oh. Curious. So, yeah. That's us.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Um, let's, let's go around, I guess. Matt, how's your week, man? Uh, geez. Not busy. Not busy at all. Relaxing. Just very relaxing. Oh, fuck.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Anyway. Italian movie night. So, me and the three Italian commandos, Ralph, Clark, and Leona, Rocky, Tino, and David, we all got together to, I don't know. And we all got together to look at the giant screen and, yeah. Um, but yeah, we had a, we had a movie night because if you recall back at the, the bachelor party and as you've seen, the movie projector screen is still at my apartment. Well, now it's gone.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Yeah. But we're like, hey, the, the other guys were like, hey, let's, let's make one more usage of that. So Rocky came over and we, we all got over there. So selection of movies now. Tell me what you think. When you say Italian movies, my brain and my videos. Italian movies, but they, they were all Italian movie night and they just wanted, because
Starting point is 00:08:11 I want to hear Italian Spider-Man is what I want to hear. I wish no, but, uh, this was, um, uh, hard target. John Woo's first American movie with the Van Damme. Oh, you've got murdered is the, the thing of, cause people constantly get killed and Van Damme looks at him and he goes, huh. I think he's been murdered and he's got a whole blown in the back of his head. Yeah. Lance Henriksen plays the evil villain who chews up the scenery.
Starting point is 00:08:42 I didn't know this. I didn't know. He's a really good villain. No, he's, he's, he's a, it's, it's a, the most dangerous game sort of thing where they, they hunt people and then they chose the wrong man to hunt chance laboe. Get out. Yeah. So when other French people in the bayou, this takes place in, you know, Louisiana,
Starting point is 00:09:02 they go a chance and he's like, what? How many, how many wu tropes did you, did you count? How many wu tropes? A dove in every scene, even that early on every shot, slow motion, all over riding on top of a motor, like it's crazy cycles through the doves on fire, dual wielding, um, there was that. Doves are dual wielding. Of course.
Starting point is 00:09:31 I haven't seen Graboids one, which no one had, there had seen except for me. And I'm like, I haven't seen Graboids, like what's Graboids and I go nothing. I made that up. It's called tremors. Yeah. Oh, I see. That's not fair. I know.
Starting point is 00:09:45 That's, that was my, my trap. That's really tough. Anyway, uh, there was that and then you see the movie Xenomorph, there is a movie called Xenomorph. There is the movie about Xenomorph. Uh, there's, there was that, there was, um, uh, geez, I'm drawing a blank, drawing a blank. Um, anyway, I slept in that, the movie, drawing a blank story and starring that guy with the
Starting point is 00:10:06 face. Or is that just a monster in the movie? There was one we watched at the start and I was like, holy shit, no one's ever seen this. That's crazy. Oh God, I forgot. Robocop. Yeah, what about Robocop?
Starting point is 00:10:15 Almost no one there had seen Rob, one person had seen Robocop when they were young. These people are garbage. That's illegal. Right? Robocop is the best, most symmetrical movie ever. Well, well, I, I'm not counting Rocky, Rocky, of course, seeing Robocop, but he goes, this is the part. This is the part.
Starting point is 00:10:29 So, out of the four guys not counting Rocky or you or the one other guy who saw it, most of you didn't see it. Yeah. It's what you're telling me. Yeah. I don't understand the math here. Uh, so one guy hadn't seen it, but that's more than like five. He was a really big guy.
Starting point is 00:10:48 He's combined no knowledge of it was anyway, uh, you guys all might have something to say about, but we had our, like, it's just, it's part of your curriculum. It should be, but, um, you know, uh, we, uh, we had our, uh, wedding rehearsal dinner at the island of Aganos, which I believe that's what the Greek restaurant was called. That's what it was called. It was the, it was the Ildepelos, but fuck that. Panos. It's fucking the island of Aganos and, uh, that was a little rough at the start.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Willie and Willie didn't quite get there when it got really rough, but like, hey, this is the area. We'll be sitting all 18 of you. Oh, okay. 18 seats. Cool. And then they move us into some other back room, which is one long ass table with everyone, like no room there.
Starting point is 00:11:36 And I just start going like, what the fuck? I didn't appreciate our golem waiter rolling up to give us our soup plates and then throwing stone bats at us for a while, but it was good. It was good. Yeah. It was really good. It was really. Soup was a little salty.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Soup was a little salty. It was a little salty. Did you have lentils or your cream chicken? I liked my cream of chicken. I liked my cream of chicken. I had to have the bread to soften it up a little bit. Exactly. So that really, really went well.
Starting point is 00:12:04 I hope you all enjoyed it. What did you have for dessert, Willie? Uh, what did I have for dessert? You had a fucking... I had... Oh, God! There was baklava. There was a chocolate thing.
Starting point is 00:12:14 And then there was a weird Greek thing. Galactic tornado. Galactic tornado. Galactic tornado. Galactic tornado. It was a super crazy space name for a Greek dish. It was delicious. So the Greek girl that was there looked at it and go, I don't even know how to say this.
Starting point is 00:12:29 And her last name is crazy. I can pronounce Greek things, but I don't know what they mean. When I took the class, that's all I learned was how to read that alphabet, and I have no idea what I'm saying. Gyro. Yeah, gyro. You want a fucking gyro now? I would like a gyro.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Um, I hope you guys all enjoyed your baby toys. This is great. Dude, that was amazing. That was great. That was great. Well, the girls, well, the bridal party got, you know, expected lady things. From the bride, yeah. From the bride, I gave you guys baby toys.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Like, everyone pulls out the things, I wasn't expecting, I didn't know the gifts were part of a thing. I didn't know that. That was pretty cool, but no, exactly, like everyone's, you know, getting their like adult presents out and we pull out these fucking art books and toys in a bag and PSN cards are just like, and Rocky's sitting there eating the rest of his dinner with a lightsaber in his lap. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Yeah. Specifically the first one. Kylo Ren's. Yeah. No, a Forced Awakens. Sorry, Forced Awakens. Yeah. Kylo Ren's, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:31 But those were fun to get, and of course I had to ask at least Willie and Liam, significant others, like, does he have this, because I knew you didn't have a Sigma, but I wasn't sure. I was like, I thought I saw it somewhere. No. I put my shit when I opened up the candy package expecting candy and it was filled with curly whirlies. Oh, someone told me that.
Starting point is 00:13:49 I was like, what wizard knew. Yeah. That was good. That was good. You killed it. You killed the gift can. So yeah, thank you. That was fun.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Artbook of Satoshi Kan? Yo. I was like, I'll get them. They're not making those anymore. No. Well, the can. Those Satoshi Kan ones. Just what we knew.
Starting point is 00:14:06 Yeah. I was like, even if he has this, I'll take it. Each one has one of his bones grafted into them. Do you have that gift I gave you? Yeah. Do you have any pieces of the one true con? I went on Cranky's stream last night to stream some co-op zombies, ate my neighbors, which was way, way tougher game than I remembered.
Starting point is 00:14:28 And we were bad at it. That's a good stream. Yeah. It was a good stream. But then we switched to Lakeview Cabin Collection. Cranky was like, I don't know, horror. Too scary. Too spooky.
Starting point is 00:14:40 Too scary. It was pretty hilarious. And I love all this stream. I'm like, Cranky, if you want this and you need to do that, you have to have sex in the game. Yeah. And then he's like, can I not? I don't know about that.
Starting point is 00:14:52 And everyone's like, fucking fuck Cranky! Cranky, fuck! Take off your cure or whatever. Take off your, your, your, your, your, your, your, Kegurumi. Whatever. You guys will do it. Kegura Sen. And then we finished off some Texas attack that of course resulted in Cranky besting me.
Starting point is 00:15:09 I got one round off him, but he's still really on point on that. I have never in any video game went from being so confident to being so shit after meeting other people with you and then Cranky, and everyone else that I subsequently meet just puts me lower and lower on the rung of Tetris attack scale. You weren't there. And I'm like, god damn it. I used to like identify with this game as something that meant something to me. You weren't there the first magfest.
Starting point is 00:15:35 You were doing something else at the card. You never meant anything to me. I went to the Pokemon puzzle league tournament, which is, you know, essentially just saying the game. And I saw that play. I didn't play anybody because I looked at it. I saw what was going on and I left because I couldn't handle the fucking, the screens never stopped because combo is high level puzzle games.
Starting point is 00:15:56 It's like, it's, it's absurd. It's great. You have to cry out. And my ceiling, my mental ceiling for the skill at this game was like the kids at the community center I used to, I used to play with back in the day and watching them just like combo. And I was like, that's crazy. Then eventually I get to the point that's approaching that and I feel good about myself.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Yeah. It's like not idiot. It's nice to, it's nice to be a basement. It's nice to be a basement. It's basement king. Yeah. Man, small pond. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Yeah. Fuck. I, I got a time to actually play some games. Oddly enough. What? Yeah. After you and I took a look at Fatal Frame made in black water, I played it for about another hour or so.
Starting point is 00:16:34 How wet are you? Got the, I'm always, the, the answer is soppy. I'm going with sopping. I really want to play that game. I bought, I bought the full version after getting the little trial thingy and that kind of works pretty well, but I assumed I bought, I had downloaded the full version. Now you get like half, right? And I'm like, it's a better way to do it, but it didn't take too long.
Starting point is 00:16:56 But I, you know, that guy's got pretty rough reviews and I'm not at a point where I can say yet, but I can assume that I think the most roughest part of it was like it's gets really repetitive and you're doing the same thing over and over, which I can understand but I think this is also that the Fatal Frame hasn't come out in America in 10, 15 years since Fatal Frame 3. Long time ago. Yeah. On the PS2.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Well, no actually. Spirit camera. Really? Come on. Yeah. Let's not count a spirit camera. Fatal Frame 3, you know, the PS2. Really?
Starting point is 00:17:28 So how has it been something that's been talked about every year since then? Because Fatal Frame 4 was amazing and everyone saw it come out in Japan and then Fatal Frame and Deep Crimson Butterfly was amazing and everyone saw it come out in Europe even closer and then the movies were like three movies that came out and I feel like it's been like a spirit camera. It's been in the discussion world for years. Isn't Region Locking great? Right.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Well, I remember it was one of the obvious ones when the Wii U's like concept was shown where it was like, yeah, Fatal Frame, that makes too much sense. Guess what? So people have been talking about it recently, I know, like even before this one was announced. Yeah. So I kept playing that for a bit and I really like it up until this point, like the mechanics like are really involved and they make sense. How's the combat?
Starting point is 00:18:14 Well, when we were doing the video, it was kind of difficult to sort of like, all right now, like because when you're recording a video, it's a bit different, but once I stopped doing that, like, and then I was playing like off camera for myself, like I got used to it really, really easily. And the one thing though is if you played Fatal Frame 4, you're familiar with the Wii and Pat knows this really well and this constantly happened where they have that mechanic where you hold down a button and you reach to get an item and a ghost usually pops up. Oh no, silly ghost.
Starting point is 00:18:41 When I say usually, I mean, the one time it teaches you about it and every subsequent at least like a dozen or more items, never a ghost pops up, we go, come on, come on, come on. It never happens. That's great. Just during this time. The game looks great and the voice acting was pretty solid. If not a bit odd.
Starting point is 00:19:01 How were the graphics? Because from some screens, they looked just quite fantastic. Character models are super high poly environments are not quite as good, but they make up for that because it's super dark. And there were some really good scary moments. Do you remember that one where, yeah, we had this one where like it was kind of a situation that you're all right, I've done this before, then a twist kind of, and you're just like, oh, okay, that's cool.
Starting point is 00:19:28 I can never, you can never rest really. I really want to play it, but I've no space on my Wii U and I don't want to buy a hard drive. So delete something on your Wii U. Maybe I'll move to Europe. Maybe that's the cheapest solution. Why not delete something on your Wii U? Because the only thing I have is patches and DLC from Nintendo and that fills up enough
Starting point is 00:19:48 space that I can. Dude, that's me with the fucking Vita TV, man. Yeah, we just had that happen. Every time I want, I'm like, do you want to look at this JPEG? Delete a game. I'll give you an answer. Persona's got a goat. You can buy a new memory card.
Starting point is 00:20:01 You can buy a new memory card, I guess so. Yeah, here's my advice. As someone who's done that, here's my advice, don't do that. The prices are absurd for this one. Oh, they're high, for sure, but like, live with your annoyance. I'll view my JPEG elsewhere. Yeah, speaking of the Vita, Liam's already kind of pre-smiling that I've been actually using it because I downloaded Prince of Persia at the Forgotten Sands, which was a brand
Starting point is 00:20:28 new Prince of Persia game I did not know existed. So because we were talking about it the other week, I downloaded it as well. And that game, go ahead. So the thing with the Forgotten Sands trilogy is that the 360 game is completely different from the Wii game, the DS game is completely different from all those, and the PSP game is a straight up 2.5D left to right Prince of Persia game, but with cool sands of time style, mechanics, and story, it's a really good marriage of both styles. It's what you wanted, Assassin's Creed Chronicles, trying it to be minus the assassinations.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And this is the one that nobody really paid any attention to, so what's it exactly called? The Forgotten Sands for the PSP, because the 360 version, that was the one they pushed where we can have 50 enemies on screen, mobs, like Dynasty Warriors, and that game's good too. It's fine. It's super easy. It's super easy, only in the last hour where you get all your combined powers and then you actually have to do some actual skill-based platforming.
Starting point is 00:21:32 Are you Jake Gyllenhaal? They do this weird thing where they modeled the Prince and the Forgotten Sands a little after the war within style, but also sands of time, so he's not really Jake Gyllenhaal. He's got like normal clothes, but he's still got like the weird eye shadow thing going on. This actor's definitely not Jake Gyllenhaal. It's Yuri Lowenthal for the Forgotten Sands. So I'm really enjoying that, I'm almost done it actually. I finished it last night, it's super salt.
Starting point is 00:22:00 It's only like four hours long about, it's really tight, and it has a really good difficulty curve. I don't know if you've gotten there, but it starts getting pretty tough towards the end. The last levels are hard. And the last two things I played really quickly, I told Liam, I got Pursuit Force on the PSP, and the only thing I'll say about Pursuit Force is that it's a crazy vehicle jumping to things. Jump on top of that car.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Yeah, but you know, the meter that governs a lot of actions, now in most games that we play that have some type of meter governing cool actions, what's it usually called? Focus. Focus or style. Style. Yeah. Style meter. Boost.
Starting point is 00:22:38 This is called the Justice Meter. The Justice Meter. Nice. And you have to fill up the Justice Meter, and then you go into a Berserker Justice Mode, and you just do more damage. For justice. For justice. And I'm like, all right, Pursuit Force, I will not delete you.
Starting point is 00:22:52 Let the rage of the NYPD guide you. Guide you. And I booted up. I feel like James Small's hand is guiding that choice. It seems like he was a part of the development. I feel like he was somewhere involved. He padded someone on the butt to keep going. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:09 The last thing I played, not much to say about it, is Adventure Time, Finn and Jake investigations. Oh no. I can tell just from the tone of your voice. Lay it on. Another PSP game. All right. Because there's a lot of PSP push. This is the PS3 game.
Starting point is 00:23:22 An Xbox One, PS4 game, and not much to say about it other than it's not funny at all. The writing is not done by writers of the show. Lightly now. I noticed that you didn't come on and grab your friends. I did not bring anyone over to look at this, because the mechanics of the game are sound. Just walk over there and investigate this as an adventure game, but then I want more flavor text out of this item that we're looking at. This crazy item.
Starting point is 00:23:51 There's a skull and a wall. Jake, what do you have to say? Oh, yeah. All right. Press it again. Look at that. And then you go over to an oven and then you say, Finn, what is this? And he goes, ah, I shouldn't touch that.
Starting point is 00:24:03 That's hot. All right. Isn't it telling when the best looking Adventure Time game type thing we saw was that thing that wasn't an Adventure Time game? It was just Jake and Finn guest starring in what was like an iPad game of some kind. We saw it at PAX upstairs. The Zelda one was pretty good. We didn't know what exactly it was.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Adventure the... Explore the dungeon because I didn't know. No, no, no. The Nameless Kingdom. The Nameless Kingdom. It's the best Adventure Time game so far that I've played personally. Even that one, like the writing's not by... It's clearly not by the core team, but there's some sensible chocolate for that.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Writing is better than this. Another one or two bad games, and it's going to be like SpongeBob status. Also, Finn and Jake Investigations has Batman Arkham Combat. Shut up. No. Does it work well at least? Not really. No.
Starting point is 00:24:52 But it has it. It has it. You get into battle mode, and it says keep doing combos left and right, and then unleash your super attacks. Unleash the rage of the NYPD. Unleash the rage of John DiBeggio. Is your power... Did you get super power?
Starting point is 00:25:06 Did you hit people with your like-like sweater? Jake rolls into a big ball and just spins his fists. So just take an established thing that works and just put the IP on top of it. Why are we going to get the bad Rick and Morty game? Adventure Time Moosa. What are we going to get our bad Rick and Morty game? That feels like a bad Rick and Morty game would actually be good. It feels like they'd rather be parts of other games.
Starting point is 00:25:37 They'd rather guest star where they shouldn't be, than actually make their own game. Can we just get people to mod the Telltale back to the future game with just Rick and Morty voice calls? Just get them in there. Yeah. Hey, did you guys know that it was the 30th anniversary of Back to the Future? No, I never ever... Did you know about that?
Starting point is 00:25:53 The marketing push of that was insane. The 30th anniversary of Back to the Future. Totally unavoidable. And I was like, is this really that big a deal? I guess it is. It's a beautiful morning. We were talking over each other, but I was going to say I love Back to the Future. Very near and dear to my heart, stop pushing this so hard.
Starting point is 00:26:11 No. It got gross. You know what? You know what? Got gross? Back to the Future 3. Yeah, you're not even wrong. That was like 25 years ago.
Starting point is 00:26:19 That's still a great movie to prepare for. At the same time, at the same time, it's like you had a year or eight to like prepare. Yeah. Everyone knew it was kind of coming up. Kimmel did the thing with it. He had them come out on stage and do the bit. Yeah, a little. And that's all you really need.
Starting point is 00:26:34 That's all you really need. It was more than that. No, it certainly was. It was. Still up and around. Anyway. I can't. You used to...
Starting point is 00:26:42 No. No, you can't. You stomping around? Above my room? No, no, no, Larry. It's the Parkinson's. I can't. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:26:50 That bit is too... Yeah, it sounds very cohesive. Oh, it's not. Well, you're doing it a great... You're doing a great job. Oh, hey man. I want Larry David. If it's good enough for Larry David, then it's good enough for us.
Starting point is 00:26:58 I want Larry David to become a character and work in Morty. It really is. Yeah. You don't know. Anyway, that was me. That was a good week. All right. Pat, anything...
Starting point is 00:27:14 You got any Parkinson's jokes to drop on us this week? No, I had mine. Okay. Let's see. I played Street Fighter V, but I guess we'll leave that to a little more group discussion. Sure. I played on Liam's recommendation. Feel free to jump in at any time on this one.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Assassin's Creed Syndicate. Which is actually pretty good. It's really good. It's brilliant. I'm taking a while. I walked into you guys talking, and then I heard Liam say, Syndicate's pretty good. And I was like, okay, wait, pause. What does this mean?
Starting point is 00:27:46 Does he mean the Bullfrog game that, yes, is really good? Or the modern remake? Starbreeze. Starbreeze. Why would that be any good? Is it that one? Never in my mind would it have occurred. No.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Assassin's Creed Syndicate. No. Assassin's Creed Syndicate. Because we were so far removed last week from even thinking about this game. It's really smart what they did, because they kept having problems with protagonists sucking. And who beat Black Flag in here? I know. You did?
Starting point is 00:28:15 What's the name of the character in Black Flag? The main word? The main word. The main word. I had trouble. Even I knew that. And we're Kenway, dude. That's not no.
Starting point is 00:28:25 I forget the guy in Assassin's Creed III. But I talked about Kenway. No. No. I didn't hate them Kenway. I didn't hate them. I couldn't remember hate them. I remembered him.
Starting point is 00:28:36 I felt like since Ezio, they haven't really had a good old tag. Edward's fine. Any game, any Assassin's Creed game that you beat, it's like you've spent so many hours with this thing, you're going to remember. So I don't know, I completely forgot his name. But anyway, point is, these two characters, the Fry Twins. Evie and Jacob. They made a really smart decision by making one really bad, annoying character so that
Starting point is 00:28:58 the other character looks awesome in comparison. They play off each other. Jacob's not annoying. Jacob sucks. He's a total meathead. He's great. I can't stand him. But I like that.
Starting point is 00:29:08 I have played the entire game as Evie so far. Well, you've played two chapters of eight, right? No, three. Three? Okay, yeah. And the only time I've ever played as him is the missions that forced me to play as him. He's so stupid.
Starting point is 00:29:21 He is stupid. So dumb. But yeah, no. That doesn't make him bad. He's cool. He's a hoodie. He's part of the order. He's like, we get to the new town and he's like, we're going to make a gang called the
Starting point is 00:29:33 Rooks. And Evie's like... You're an idiot. What? Stop. And then he just does it anyway. And he's just got a gang. That being said, Evie does feel more like the main character.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Evie's great. Like the assassin. Evie could carry the game, but I prefer having two characters to play off each other. She even gives her more classic assassin clothes as well. Initially, definitely. So why is the formula not bogging you down? Well, for one thing, that grappling hook is absurd. Grappling hook's amazing.
Starting point is 00:30:01 You know when you want to go to a sink point and it takes 30 seconds to a minute to get up there? Yeah. It takes five seconds now. Okay. So I showed Matt... I couldn't believe it. Like, hey, here's Big Ben.
Starting point is 00:30:14 And I hit L1 and she hits the top of Big Ben in 10 seconds. I spent the rest of my day picking the jaw off the floor. The best bit about it is they don't just like zip to the top. They like scale it and they bounce off certain points. They like repel. It looks great. It looks really good. And then you get to the top of Big Ben and you're like, I want to go over there and then
Starting point is 00:30:34 you point at a ledge and you zip over there. So the entire climbing is now not a thing. It's still a thing. It's like, I want to go in that window. But if you're fleeing from somebody, you don't ever really have to like climb a surface and get away from them. You can just... Could you avoid equipping or getting the grab?
Starting point is 00:30:53 No, it's spilt in. Are there sound clips of dead yellow? SSE? No. When you run by? There's new ones. Yeah. There's new ones.
Starting point is 00:31:04 And they're character specific to Evie and Jacob and they'll say different things depending on who's doing shit. So I don't know. Look at that bed. It's just in Unity. So Liam, let me know if they... Jog on, mate. Jog on.
Starting point is 00:31:14 But there's a lot more like side activities that are like kill everybody silently in a stealthy way. Yeah. And now the game actually has a stealth button and stealth mechanics. In Unity, that was where they introduced all the stealth mechanics and stuff and they worked great. Well, I feel like light matter yet. No, but it's baby stealth.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Assassin's Creed is always good at baby stealth because like... Because after Thief and now Metal Gear and stuff, it's like you've had different entries into the stealth genre that you might... Yeah. And it's always like you go back to Assassin's Creed and you go, oh yeah, it doesn't matter. It's baby stealth. Well, here's the thing though is now it's like the combat's like Batman kind of thing, right? But now the stealth is like Batman because after you jump off a roof and kill a guy,
Starting point is 00:31:54 you hit L1 and go right back to the top of the roof and scope out where the rest of the guys are like just like going back up under the gargoyles kind of thing. Yeah, okay. Is the trade off, I guess, that they can shoot you more frequently if they see you? No, some characters can shoot you. Pretty much everyone has a gun in this game. But some of them... Like almost every enemy can shoot you.
Starting point is 00:32:12 There's like the rifle type character that is actually the lookout that will actually just see you and shoot you. And then the other characters use them as like, oh, you're in combat, but that person's four feet away from you. Just outside that ring around you where fights happen. Yeah. There's a certain point in history where the Arkham Slash Assassin-style group battle of you killing like a surrounded group...surrounded by like 12 guys, you kill them all with melee.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Now. Doesn't work because dudes have smaller, faster guns. Luckily, in this era, the assassins have gained spider sense and have the ability to dodge bullets. Well, what it is is like they see them pull the gun out and you get a triangle prompt and hit triangle. Dodge the bullet. Dodge and counter with your own.
Starting point is 00:32:54 So sometimes you don't...sometimes I don't counter with, but like when you're running, they will straight up like headset bullets and it's like, okay, whatever, they can just dodge bullets now. Like it seems crazy, but it makes it fun because it was never fun in the Assassin's Creed games to be running away and just get hit for a time. Assassin's Creed 3 had that cool body shield mechanic, but most of the time it's suck. So you're going to get the experience of going straight from a black flag to this without unity.
Starting point is 00:33:24 I played maybe an hour or two of the video. Okay. Because I was going to say like, yeah, there's got to be a mechanic. Unity felt bad to touch. Like the controls and the frame rate and the general feel was just like, yeah, this game runs really well. It doesn't run quite as good as black flag, but it looks a lot better than black flag. And it'll drop maybe once an hour when I'm playing and it's when I come down off a roof
Starting point is 00:33:51 into the middle of a street with lots of carriages and stuff like that. Yeah. Like it plays better than any of the old good games played on 360. I don't understand this franchise. Well, they saw the backlash for Unity and they addressed everything really well. But is this now the pace? Is it Windows now or just? Windows?
Starting point is 00:34:14 Oh, every other version? Maybe. Who knows? You got rogue last year or something. What happens? Right now, like the mission design is actually much better. I haven't had a single tail mission, for example. Yeah, I've had like one, but that's it.
Starting point is 00:34:28 I really hope there's a level where you talk to a guy named like Dr. Jekyll and you're like, hey, drink this. So you... Yeah. That'll be... What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm sorry, I didn't know.
Starting point is 00:34:41 I did a mission that was the Fleet Street investigation. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. They're like, it's really fun, actually. But I know that every assassin has shaped the modern art. And you go around with Arthur Conan Doyle and like you see all of his fake book origins and Karl Marx is there and he does stuff too. Like in no other franchise do you have the statement, I thought I was getting out of
Starting point is 00:35:04 the game, but you keep pulling me back in like literally every other game. Again, Liam, I'll defer to you on this because you played Unity for real. The combat is way improved. Like I don't use the same basic button layout as Unity, which is dodge, guard, break and attack. But the changes they've made in which like the way that guys go into near death states when their health is low and you can get upgrades to put multiple guys in your death states, you can finally actually control if you do double or multi kills by getting
Starting point is 00:35:34 multiple guys into near death states next to each other and they're hitting them. Also the introduction of like, how do I put this? Wall combos is my favorite thing in the combat. It's purely a visual change. But if you're beating some guys ass right next to a wall lamp or no, no, no, no, no. You're beating their ass next to a wall. What your character will do is grab them by the shoulder and turn them towards the wall and push them.
Starting point is 00:36:03 So they kind of like their shoulders at the wall and they kind of and they're like, oh, and then you will start to combo them and your combos will be bouncing them off the wall. Unique set of animations for beating their ass to the wall and the kill animations against the wall are the longest and meanest I have ever seen. They say that every year. No, like you have a sword cane like Evie will knock them out and then back up like six feet from the wall and throw knives at them and pin them to the wall and then go back
Starting point is 00:36:36 and start kicking their ass when they're into the wall. It's like 10 seconds long. The speed of the combat and the three weapons, which are like fists, cane and kukri like a short knife are fantastic. It has a totally different feel. There's no long swords, no spears. If I was going to make a recommendation to people, I would tell them that let like let play Evie with her cane and play Jacob with his fists to make them feel more different.
Starting point is 00:37:05 I switched Evie to a kukri because it's just I switch between the kukri and the staff depending on which one is stronger at the time. But I'm never going to give her the fists. I think the three weapons should be like a copy of FIFA, a flake bar and a beer, a flake bar. Just a crumbles and someone's like, wait, let me get some of this flakey right now. Wait, I need to attack with that still. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:28 And a Manchester U. A Manchester U. While I remember disparaging the shit out of it like years ago when it was first floated, my grimy ass Victorian England is actually a pretty good setting because it's horrible. It's the worst place that ever was in all of history. I remember years ago we had said like, oh, it was when the order was coming out. So mechanics aside, now you have what I need, which is Assassin's Creed plot, Assassin's Creed like story set.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Assassin's Star goes shit. What did I tell you? You asked me about the future thing. I asked you who you are playing in the future is and Liam went, I don't know. And I played it and I'm like, oh, oh, they want to run away from that hard. Well, because now Unity onwards and actually including Liberation was the first one that did it. You just play as a guy enjoying the absurd, or just a guy enjoying the absurd or whatever
Starting point is 00:38:23 system. So what is the real world element of Unity? Who gives a shit? But what is it actually? You're playing the video game. Is there any first person moments at all or is it just Unity? That was only in four. That was really only in four and it was terrible and everything since the first game in the
Starting point is 00:38:40 future has been terrible. Is there a boot sequence? Yeah, there's a boot sequence. They start up the Abstergo Entertainment System and then the Assassins hack it and you're like, stop. I don't want the guys on the screen anymore. You're working for us now and your character ostensibly says, okay, they don't speak. Dude, like when they started hacking it, I was like, don't do this.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Well, is it the same guys? It's Sean and what's Erebekah? Sean Hastings and Rebekah Crane are now the main characters of Assassin's Creed. And they're in there and they're bombing stuff and they're diving off buildings. It's so pointless and stupid if they had just made Assassin's Creed from the start. Here are time periods, go, compelling story within that time period. I never had a problem with Becca. I think she's fine.
Starting point is 00:39:27 She's great. She's the best character. But yeah. Call of Duty doesn't matter, right? Every year it's a different story. It doesn't really matter. And in this, it's just because of the future shit, you can't, no, but what I mean is that you can't continue Desmond anymore because it's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Desmond's dead. Yeah. That's what I'm meaning. In four, I don't know if you remember this, but that did have a subplot in the modern world about Minerva and Minerva continues to exist. Yes. And the fact that they keep doing these VR, Sam, like, look, the modern era still exists. No, it's still there.
Starting point is 00:40:02 They clearly intend to go back to that one day, but also it seems clear that that plan is not actually on paper. They just want to leave it open. Because syndicate's the worst with it. You get a 30 second cutscene maybe. I've liked the game for like 10 hours. I still haven't seen a second cutscene. Because I know the answer is it doesn't matter, but I still, it's like, it's so weird to release
Starting point is 00:40:29 a game that just has nothing. It's there, but it's less present than ever. Which is great. Yeah. Okay. I just like, what was the point at all? The hinge of your franchise. It was the hinge of the franchise.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Remember when Kristen Bell spoiled the whole thing? Yeah. I brought that up. I always bring that up. I never let that go. Do you remember before she spoiled the whole thing, someone else spoiled the whole thing? No. I didn't know about that until I read her.
Starting point is 00:40:57 The day that game was announced at E30, a guy on the floor giving the demo just told someone that it was all like in the matrix and the future stuff. And people went, what? That's crazy. And then like, you never saw it again and it got swept out into the rug until Kristen Bell did it. Until Kristen Bell did it. But like day one, that game was spoiled.
Starting point is 00:41:20 Yeah. I guess I like, I understand that it was like poorly executed over the years. What? It would still be super weird to just completely pretend it never happened. I don't even think Rogue, I think Rogue is the same thing. It's got like 30 seconds. I really liked how Ford did it, honestly. I like the stupid gimmick of being a beta tester for a video game.
Starting point is 00:41:40 I like that it's already weird that you're saying that it's worth checking back in until the franchise. If you, if you, like I view Assassin's Creed as like my AAA junk food and I like to run around the map and collect the things. You like to check the boxes? I like to check the boxes. I want to see my, your character level's up now, which is totally superfluous. Like, like, oh, there's a skill tree and you can kind of like, which ones you get first,
Starting point is 00:42:06 but you're going to get them all. So the two characters have different skills, but they, the different skills, there's only three out of like 28 that are different and they're all the way at the end of the trees and the way the trees work is it costs more level up points the farther down you go. So they're not going to be different for me because I like to keep them the same because they would do both the same things. Like at the very end of the game, Eevee will be able to turn invisible and Jacob will be slightly better.
Starting point is 00:42:30 I'm at memory whatever five and they're capped out. Oh, really? So not the end of the game. So does that just replace like getting better weapons and staying? No, you still have to stop the gear honestly. You have the improved gear system from you from Unity where like it's just a lot more detailed and you can honestly individual piece of gear. I really just like that much improved that that gear that that inventory screen.
Starting point is 00:42:53 is so complicated. Okay, but how do I craft bombs though? Tell me more about crafting bombs. No, there is you can upgrade your bombs. Yeah, you can upgrade them, but it's just you bought a different bomb. If you if you feel like talking about in Revelation, I know I remember if I'm talking about Assassin's Creed bomb craft, if you have that bomb orations to play that kind of game, you generate those boxes and run around open world, then this is one that when you get it, you'll be happy
Starting point is 00:43:24 with it because it's going to do what you want. It's not setting the world on fire and it's not saving the franchise, but it's good. I think skipping one regardless of how how good or bad it is, it always refreshes you a little bit. Now that it's not saving the franchise, but it is no, it just sold the worst of anything but it ties with Black Friday. The fact that you're telling people, including us and anyone listening to this, that they should probably play Syndicate is saving the franchise.
Starting point is 00:43:54 There's a difference between like a blank and endorsement of like Brotherhood, where I was like everyone should go play Brotherhood, that game's amazing, and me saying if you like Assassin's Creed games and still have one in the tank, this one's a good one. I think there's a difference. I like this one better than Brotherhood. I really like it better. I bet I can get there. I would never because I love Brotherhood's multiplayer.
Starting point is 00:44:13 I need to unlock more fighty missions. I don't get to fight enough as of right now because the groups that roam the streets are three guys and like you kill three guys in one second. Go to Westminster where the level nine enemies are. I don't think I have one left in the tank, but if you're saying, I don't think I do, but if you're saying I do. I have more faith in you than you do. I cared a lot about Assassin's Creed the most about Assassin's Creed.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Probably the biggest weirdo bummer is like now that the overarching story longer matters, feel free to skip one or two at any time because, and Liam, you said something really interesting. You said that every game gets to have one new movement option. Yeah, I was thinking about it and it's like, you know, the core formula is like it's climbing and assassinating, right? And I feel like, I feel like somewhere there's a paper, some sort of mandate out there that's like, okay, when you get to make an Assassin's Creed game, you get to break a couple of those
Starting point is 00:45:14 a little bit, but not too much. And it's like the game after this is in a tough position where it has to be able to match up to what the grappling hook had. And I'm thinking about it and like Unity and Brotherhood, yeah, Unity and Brotherhood had the parachute and that let you skip the whole going down section. And Revelation 10's game lets you skip the going up. The ziplines, which works like the grappling game. If you had a game that had the hook and had the grapple hook and had the parachute, you
Starting point is 00:45:44 would just entirely skip the movement. How about, it would be just cause, so there must be some sort of mandate somewhere in Ubisoft that's like, you get to break an element of it. And Black Flag didn't have any of those, but instead most of your movement in that game was on a boat. How about the next game you just play as equipment? Or just a bladed parachute that can shoot ziplines. Honestly, most of the time I feel like that's what the game is.
Starting point is 00:46:13 I'm a knife attached to a grappling hook. Aside from a cutscene and you know. Please report in when Final Boss Andros D'Borgia shows up. And for an epic, for an epic, for an epic, I have heard that this game's ending in Final Boss is like the worst. I heard the last boss is bad too. I thought the first boss, and it was fine, Unity has the best mid-game boss. I remember you telling us about that.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Or like the best Assassin's Creed boss halfway through the game. But you say that, but when I think about it. I'm never going to play it, so skip forward two minutes if you don't want to hear this. You fight the guy who trained your character all through his life, and you fight him on the side of, fuck what's that building in France, anyway. You fight him on the side of this gorgeous church. Notre Dame. Notre Dame.
Starting point is 00:47:05 You fight him on the side of that, and it's raining, and the cameras pulled that back at a cinematic angle. So it's side view? No, like up, it looks really good. And it's got the bullshit graphics that Unity has that they actually had to cut back for Syndicate. Oh yeah, it's very clear. Syndicate's a worse looking game than Unity.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Okay. Clearly. But it runs well. It runs great. So no problems there. So it's an evanescence music video battle. Yeah, that's why Brotherhood was better looking. It ran like shit, and Revelations didn't look like they had better, it's art, and it's
Starting point is 00:47:39 aesthetic, and it's town were shit here, but it ran way better to me. Yeah, all I played was Syndicate, so I'll pass it on to Lee, and you can move into whatever you want. Yeah, one last thing on Syndicate. I played Unity a lot, and one of the things I hated about Unity, it was a very vocal complaint that a lot of people had. The British accents. No.
Starting point is 00:47:57 It was the social chests and shit. Oh yeah. In Unity, there was a huge multiplayer suite in Unity. A lot of missions, you could play four player co-op, and it was actually really fun. I hate co-op, but it's actually really good. Multiplayer is completely removed, and for the social shit, they've paired it down very well. So in Unity, there were these chests where you had to be connected to the Assassin's
Starting point is 00:48:19 Creed Initiates program on Ubisoft, and you leveled up in that program by playing a variety of Assassin's Creed games. So in Unity, you'd be able to open the level one chest, and you'd eventually level three chest. But you did a level nine chest, and how do you open a level nine chest? You beat two other Assassin's Creed games, like, fuck that. In Black Flag, the social chests were... Oh, those existed in Black Flag?
Starting point is 00:48:42 But they were literally just chests that would appear when you were connected to the internet. Yeah, that's what it was. If you found one, it would ping on people and your friends. Oh, that's fine. That's funny. And they were whales you could hunt, and special boats you could crash. Oh, that's cool.
Starting point is 00:48:56 Like, sometimes they were tough boats, but you could fuck them up. Man, those shark and whale fights were awesome. And in Unity, the other ones, they had like a mobile game, and there were these chests in the game. Sorry, those super boats were bullshit, though. I'd be all... Because they would fucking... They would turn, like, Dark Souls bosses.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Those super boats were SNK bosses in boat form, because they didn't follow the rules of the boat combat. Why does that boat have an over-tracking... They would straight up cheat. They would make turns and speeds that were impossible. They would shoot from distances in which you could barely see them. They would kill you on one ram. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:49:37 It had tracking overheads. Yeah. They literally would turn on the spot. They would stop moving and rotate towards you. How did this boat cross me up? I remember there was one that had, like, a border that the border would, like, change direction to follow your boat. Wow.
Starting point is 00:49:53 That was super nuts. Beat all of them. Congrats. That was awesome. It's good for your Assassin's Creed Initiates level, which you don't have to worry about anymore. Yeah, because since I beat all of the Black Flag stuff, I will, by the end of Unity, have enough special Assassin's Creed points to get, like, a CEO's shirt.
Starting point is 00:50:11 I really wish they would release Rogue on PS4 and PS5 and Xbox One, and just make it run better. It doesn't even have to look great to make it run even better. Just make the movie for all the games you didn't play. Just make a movie. The other one was they had, like, a mobile game thing that was a generic mobile game. It was kind of fun at the beginning, but towards the end it became the grind, you know. And that was connected to Unity as well, and there were chests you could only open if you
Starting point is 00:50:35 done certain things in the mobile game. And that was Dreck, and they've just completely chopped those out completely, and now there's just very rarely you'll get notified, like, hey, a Helix thing has appeared on the map, and it'll say you have six hours to go collect it if you want. And then if you collect it, it pings out to people and your friends? Well, you collect it, and what it is, is it's the free-to-play box that you normally have to pay money for. You get a couple free ones, and then all your friends get paid to get one as well.
Starting point is 00:51:01 So it looks like they're using this, and I don't know if they've rolled it out completely, but I saw a bunch of stories for all the new social marketing groups they have set up. So they've got the Assassin's Creed Brotherhood Forum thing, where you join and you get your initiate points, and all that stuff you're talking about. I'm pretty sure all that thing's, everything's been pretty much trashed. It feels like it's all been rolled into the club. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:24 Yeah. Okay, because there was an announcement for this new forum thing a couple weeks ago, and then they, yeah. The club encompasses two-point levels, and it's also stretching Uplay, and it's the console version of Uplay rebranded, and they've just rolled up a bunch of shit. Yeah. And it incorporates two-point system, one, which is your Uplay points that you get from specific achievements, and the second one is what appears to be your initiate points,
Starting point is 00:51:48 which is a much larger achievement thing for specific series. So I currently have- You've done this much in Assassin's Creed games. Like Assassin's Creed has Black Flag, Unity, and Syndicate popped in with. And China. And each game only gives, like, 3,500 per or something. I don't remember. What's the aggregate?
Starting point is 00:52:12 But what about my Erudito coin? To get, like, a Tio costume in Syndicate, you need 7,200 points, which is more than any one game has. Damn. So... I don't think so. Yeah. Well, I think you can just spend Uplay points.
Starting point is 00:52:27 Yeah, no, but I mean, to get it just for free without spending any points, you need to have beaten at least one Assassin's Creed game, and then Syndicate. That's so stupid. I'd say it would be like a skeleton in a costume, because it's so basic. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Just one final point on Assassin's Creed. The reason why I think it's such a shame all the story stuff is just kind of jettisoned
Starting point is 00:52:49 is remember how excited you were when you were about to learn the truth. In Assassin's Creed 2. Remember that? Remember the truth? I don't remember everything about everything. And that's just like, fuck all that now, that's all we had in the tank. And the action. But it was the most exciting thing ever, to let the truth, and then it was just-
Starting point is 00:53:10 And the truth was actually pretty interesting. I don't know how well you remember it, but that was great and true, and it was amazing in Brotherhood, and it all fell apart in Revelations when you got to finally meet Subject 16. And he talks, and he blurs you. And he talks, and you're just like, oh, I don't want it. Go back to me not knowing. Then the whole yearly annual thing just ruins any chance of a story ever appearing again, I think, unless they're working towards a big mega one like Pataloo.
Starting point is 00:53:39 Well, it's just because they pulled a heat style middle of the movie ending, where it's like, and this is the end of Desmond's story, or would be, except now we go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, you know, it's only ever going to appear in a core Ubisoft Montreal game, because it always- It's what Syndicate's made primarily about Ubisoft Quebec, is that right? Yeah, exactly. Which, other than that, is the developer of Forgotten Sands.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Yes, it is. No, they're consistent, across years. I'm sure it's looking back on it, too. Like, AC3 was the one that was evolutionary, and then AC4 wasn't. It was just a side thing, and the Rogue was just a side thing. And then Unity was really evolutionary, busted, but revolutionary. And then Syndicate's just another side thing built up. Assassin's Creed has gone from the great new hope for video games to please wait for the
Starting point is 00:54:25 reviews. It might be an idea. Yeah, it goes a good year, but it might be a bad one. Like, I feel towards Assassin's Creed how some people might feel towards sports games. Yeah, I agree. Is Madden good this year? Do you see it, like, NBA Live sold, like, 8,000 units? Yeah, that's what it is.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Did you hear the breakdown of the NBA Live story mode written by Spike Lee? I didn't. But I've always been curious. No, but I'm just thinking back to when- It's a Spike Lee joint. It's a Spike Lee joint, you know? Because I've been curious since I heard it was Spike Lee. It sounds like the worst thing that has happened.
Starting point is 00:55:05 Gotta get started on that full LP. Well, you did say it was a Spike Lee joint. Dude, so there's not much else to say. I think the last week or two weeks ago, the Giant Beast cast, they just broke down the whole thing. Alex started. Oh, man, that story mode. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:24 I don't know. You're making- Tell me about it. Don't just say, oh man. Guess what? You're an up-and-coming basketball player, and you know, your coach is a good guy, and your sister's overbearing, but you have this friend, man. This friend, Vince, man.
Starting point is 00:55:38 He's trouble. He's from the old days. Vince is going to get you into trouble. Do you see Rosario Dust as boobs? Ever know. And everyone's telling you, man, you got to get off Vince, man. He's got bad trouble. And then-
Starting point is 00:55:50 Bad trouble. And then, whoa. Okay, so- Okay. I don't want to spoil the ending. I know, I know. This is a bad or good- It's the worst thing ever.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Okay, so there's a movie called He Got Game. He already did this. It existed. Ghosts are involved. Oh! We got him. Look at that. Hold the phone.
Starting point is 00:56:09 All right. That's a real video. Fuck it. I'll probably just tell you. So, eventually, eventually, the main character says to Vince. He's like, man, is his name Vince? I don't know. I think it is.
Starting point is 00:56:23 And it's, man, I got to cut you off, man. I got like, you know, you mess up my future for my game and my basketball and my family. My family. Vince being the dirtbag that he is. He's like, I'm going to blackmail you because you accidentally, this guy attacked you when you were six and you pushed him down the stairs and he died. I had to clean it up, man. I had to clean it up for you so you wouldn't fuck up your life.
Starting point is 00:56:46 But now you try to cut me off. I'll fucking, I'll fucking get you. And then your character's like, oh no, what am I going to do? And then Vince just miraculously dies on a car crash like immediately after that. Thank you, Jesus. Because they can't have a combat engine in the NBA. So then you and your sister are just, are just joshing around being like, man, isn't it crazy how that stuff happened, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:57:10 By the way, it's all just terribly written apparently. Just add that in. It's crazy, man. Vince is dead. Oh man. Oh wow, that's life, man. That's, that's, that's for real. That's the game.
Starting point is 00:57:21 And then they leave and then Vince comes out on the court and like all white and he's a ghost from heaven. And he takes out a piece of paper and reads this huge monologue about how the game story was really about him and his life choices and how he got here. And all like, oh fuck. Wait, is this the new Assassin's Creed? Yeah, yeah. I highly, I highly, the way Alex Navarro describes it.
Starting point is 00:57:44 White people. It's like this black people. Like that. See black guys, they drive a car like this. The way, the way Navarro describes it is like a, like a shitty place. Spike Lee wrote 30 years ago that never got off the ground. Amazing. Lots of long monologues.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Everything has to be a weird story about how men, I was a kid and I had a friend. He was like, just. If you sew a Spike Lee joint. Like. All right. Was Inside Man a Spike Lee? No, it was, but it wasn't. Because Inside Man is directed by Spike Lee, but it's about Clive Owen.
Starting point is 00:58:20 And it's a good movie. See, but not everything is a joint though. Yeah. No, of course not. 25 hours. Right. So this is, that's NBA live. I believe that's the new.
Starting point is 00:58:29 NBA live rogue, I believe. I'm sure I made some mistakes at some point in there, but the important thing is ghosts. All right. That's amazing. Oh, and then you become a basketball player by your parents house and then the career mode continues. You just don't get, you just, you don't get messages from D-Mob anymore, but the story continues.
Starting point is 00:58:48 On your sidekick. Yeah. I have a lot of memories. Liam. I played like 10 hours of Tales of Zestiria. Oh, I haven't even started. Is it, is it Zestria? I keep reading it.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Zestria. Zestria. I say Zestria. There's an I. There's an I in there. Can we get the slot machine to choose what the next Tales of Game's name is going to be? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Just. Boliferu. Yeah. Boleria. Like venereal disease. Tales of Malaria. If I saw Tales of Bolio. If I saw Tales of Boletaria.
Starting point is 00:59:17 I would play Tales of Boletaria. Would you not, Liam? Of course. Namco Bandai didn't ruin my life. Fucking Polio. Tales of Toxoplasmosis. Stop. I barely played any Tales games.
Starting point is 00:59:25 And the last one I played was Hearts R, which was, it was really generic, but it was fine. It was good. Like I liked it. No. No. That was a Tales game. Zestiria is fucking bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:35 What the fuck went wrong with this game? It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like.
Starting point is 00:59:43 It's like. Fuck went wrong with this game. It's like. The current one. I've only played four or five Tales games, but what the hell happened? Is it one of the situations where you start to play and you're like right away, like what the hell? Dude, until you get your fifth party member, there's no rational reason for any conflict within the party. Nice.
Starting point is 01:00:05 And there's a bit of stupid bullshit character drama just to make the two main characters fight. How do you screw up Tales writing? The worse? No, because it's exactly like Assassin's Creed. Is this a good year? It's the same thing. It's good years. It's the Assassin's Creed of Japan.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Because Symphonia. Strike formula. Muso. It's like good year back here in Japan. Symphonia and Abyss. Symphonia and Abyss, fine, completely good for the time that they came out. And then there's this one that I hate with a passion, which is Legendia, which is on the PS2. And it's a 2D thing.
Starting point is 01:00:40 And the shame of this game is that its character designer is a guy that, like Jesus, designed, did the illustrations for Samurai Champloo. Okay, yeah. The design of that, right? Because Mugen and Jin are in that game with different hair colors. And they look good and it's the worst cast of any JRPG I've ever seen where they hate each other. That's for no reason. No one gets along, but there's no reason for them not to get along.
Starting point is 01:01:07 I don't like you. Right. I finished that game because I felt compelled to because I might want to see these idiots suffer. And then the 360 one. Vesperia. Vesperia is considered good. Well, they had a huge budget because Microsoft was like just make whatever.
Starting point is 01:01:24 And there's a character named after you. You're low in thought. So that's a good one. And after that, the other couple. It was Zilean. I didn't play those. Zilean, I didn't play those. All of those could be shit for all of them.
Starting point is 01:01:34 Zilean too. Exactly. Yeah, I'm playing it. And it's like, I was really excited for it. So like, oh, I'll give it a go. It's open world. It's a bit different this time. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:01:43 They're like, they're really pushing it with open world. It's the same level design as any tales game. Except, you know how normally you get to the world map and you're just a giant representation of this character? Instead of that, just the map is to scale with you. Effectively. Like it's, it doesn't have any of the traits of an open world game. Like there's, you can't just go there and do like a side mission or something.
Starting point is 01:02:04 It's still effectively just hallways and the world is still a dungeon. And there's tons of, oh man. The other thing I heard good about is that its combat is pretty good. The combat's boring, I find. Even the like exciting mechanic where you like merge with certain characters is like, it's not satisfying, I find. And it's a shame because I like the idea of the plot with the, oh fuck, what's it called? Sounds very memorable.
Starting point is 01:02:29 Zestria. Zestria. Zestria. Is that an object? No. Do they give it a name? Not so far. Is it ever a thing that exists in any Tales of Destiny?
Starting point is 01:02:39 Tales of Hearts was like, is really close to what's a thing in the game. There's a thing. Destiny is a thing. Do you find out what a Legendia is, ever? Legendia is just the name of the client though. Yes. But I'm really not enjoying the game. I looked it up apparently.
Starting point is 01:02:54 I'm like a fifth of the way through the game. Time to start. And that was why I said, let me try Assassin's Creed because it can't get worse from here. So thank God I played that game. So you had a good set up. Yeah, a good set up, exactly. So you just ate junk food all week. And yeah, I plowed through the Forgotten Sand, which was like bargain caviar.
Starting point is 01:03:13 Bargain caviar. Bargain caviar. I like that. It was good. Exactly, exactly. That game's good. I think you'd like it, Willie. It's super solid.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Again, it's like Assassin's Creed Chronicles minus the Assassin bit. The combat is also not great, but it's not bad. The combat's got a lot of cool stuff going on. Did you know you can jump on the wall and do like Vega die across the stage? No, I just unlocked that. This Prince of Persia lets you select your moves and level them up and you just need to get like some extra things. It's not digital though, right? Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 01:03:43 On Vita. Yeah. Good. I also downloaded Revelations. And Rival Swords, I bet. No, I did not. Revelations is just, for Willie, you don't know, it's just warrior within with extra levels. Sure.
Starting point is 01:03:57 It's more. Revelations plus. Anyway, I digress. But that's it. I'm still playing Corpse Party, but I'm only like halfway through, so nothing new to say. Don't say it. There's bits where monsters chase you and like the frame rate hiccups give you more time to think about where you need to go. So it's kind of handy.
Starting point is 01:04:18 Don't really get what I'm about to say because I knew it was coming. It's pretty funny. Say it anyway. Come on. No, it's time. What about you, Wolvesman? So actually, I'm going to start my week with a little PSA. What?
Starting point is 01:04:34 If you are downloading this on iTunes or if you don't see the iTunes version, it's because there's some weird things going on in Apple and they're taking longer than usual to update their podcast listings. So we have no control over that. This happened last week, right? This happened last week and it made me go through two variations of the podcast. We're had to edit out what I thought might have been copyrighted. The song at the end. The beginning of the song might have been recognized or something would have been a problem.
Starting point is 01:05:02 So I edited that and then tried again. And no, it was just them being so... So it's on their end. Yeah. Okay. Blame Tim Cook. Yeah, it got up eventually, but it took half a week for it to get up there. It's not great.
Starting point is 01:05:17 Yeah, not great. It happens to every podcast now and then. And it hurts the people like hurting it right away. No, it hurts that. So that sucks. No, I finished off True Detective Season 1 finally, which means I finished off the series. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As far as I can tell.
Starting point is 01:05:35 Pizza Man never wrote anything again. Why would you put a sequel on an ending like that? Why? Well, the sequel is totally separate. Totally separate. Thank God. Enable it. Thank God.
Starting point is 01:05:49 And that means that since Season 2 is bad and you don't have to watch it, if Season 3 is good, there's no problem. There's no problem. Perfect. Perfect. All right. So it could be like the docs, basically. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Right now, I'm still in my head over the amount of literary references and crazy shit they get into over the course of their show. A lot of very subtle HP Lovecraft hints. The Yellow King is HP Lovecraft. Exactly. Carcosa. I wish they pushed it even harder. Not a lot, but I wish it was a little bit more.
Starting point is 01:06:24 A little bit more. And I think anything is to be honest, like going back now, because I avoided all discussion while it was happening, of course, but during the course of the show, before anyone knew what the ending was, people were all thinking it was going in that direction. I was on message boards diving deep into nonsense theories. We're waiting for like the fucking hard swerve on the steering wheel into the unknowable horror. And it only skirts the edges of the beach. Which is perfect.
Starting point is 01:06:53 It's perfect. It's fantastic. Because it might be there. It's unclear as to whether or not that was there. But I do think there should have been a nine-episode season instead of an eight-episode season, just to give more time. I thought it was time. It was eight.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Was it early eight? Eight. It was time to the closing of the case. Yeah, they blow through that case. Yeah, because there's a reveal, and then it's like, then they go from reveal to fucking wrap it up, wrap that shit up, we gotta go in less than an hour. There's like five episodes of set up and half an episode of closing. And the set up is all like, you're way more on the edge of your seat for the set up than
Starting point is 01:07:35 you are for the closing moments. Because, again, you're expecting the horror. Well, the mystery is always more interesting than the reveal. Yes, exactly. And there's the one moment of what the fuck was that about that happens in that finale that I was really, I'm glad they chose to show you that. Because it's probably one of the most interesting things about any of the characters in the show.
Starting point is 01:08:02 Is that weird moment of, this doesn't look real? Yeah. If you go back, there's more of those than you probably thought. Oh, I did. And I did find them. Yeah. And then I went back to go to find all the hidden things that you didn't pay attention to. Oh my God, it's late.
Starting point is 01:08:17 The birds are the best ones. The birds is fantastic. And just the names of some of the people that work in different buildings as well are clues towards them. Yeah, good stuff. So, goddamn, that's a fucking solid show. Going on on a limb recommending True Detective is a good show, says Willie. Like, the second season.
Starting point is 01:08:36 Controversial statements. Right. The second season has none of that. Like, there's no going back. It's just dry cop who got it. As far as I know, I watched two episodes and I was like, this seems alright, but I didn't continue it. And then as the season rolled on, I see people going, and I remember, I told you a few podcasts
Starting point is 01:08:54 ago, there's this article that says True Detective season two. What went wrong? Who to blame? Right. Like, it was vile. And it's, here's who to blame. Fukunaga wasn't there. Done.
Starting point is 01:09:06 Okay. I need to give special shout outs to the video on the Yellow King theory, which discusses one of the, you know, believable things, putting things together, is if you go back and look at the footage, you can see a man in a Yellow King outfit standing right here in the background. I said that. With the crown and scepter. He's probably the Yellow King.
Starting point is 01:09:32 I forgot what exactly that was, but I think that video went up, like, simultaneous to the final episode airing. So people were just running to accept, oh, just tell me what it is. There were clips from the final episode in that. And like, the best. Here at the police station. There's a man in a Yellow King outfit. Just walking in the background.
Starting point is 01:09:54 In the background. Could this man be the Yellow King? And, of course, what the fuck did I do? Alright, let's get into it. Alright, so Street Fighter 5 Beta. That was all week, every week. I want to get, I didn't get a chance to play it when this happened, but I want to give big ups to whoever at Capcom decided to hit the switch last day.
Starting point is 01:10:17 Turn on every character. All the warriors, except Geeth and Laura. Fair. All the warriors. They're probably not finished. That beta was a ride. And what a crazy roller coaster of emotions. It was really fun.
Starting point is 01:10:32 And like, when I was done, when I had my session and then I stopped for a bit, you then jump on the streams and see what people are twitching. So I think the best part of that beta was the weird expectations going in. Because I went in. It's like, well, this beta has to be better than the last beta, right? Because if it's not, right? It went up like a day early for most of the day. But you couldn't get any matches.
Starting point is 01:10:58 And I was like, that's fine, right? You know, it's up early. This is the pre-test. And then it went up. Still couldn't get any matches that very first day. And I was like, oh. The early day. I played, no, no, the first day proper.
Starting point is 01:11:11 Zero matches. And I was like, oh, that's weird. Maybe it's my NAT settings. I played training mode and everybody was available. Go check out Max's stream. And Max basically has his feet up. And he's like, yeah, so talk to somebody at Capcom. And this is as good as it's going to get.
Starting point is 01:11:28 Maybe one match every four hours. And before that had happened, I told you I saw an article in Destructoid where Destructoid pulled something from a Capcom place. It's not going to get any better than that. Yeah, it's like, well, something's bad. And this is what you're going to get the whole weekend. I was like, oh, boy, that's disappointing. So I got on that day one night and I was having a match every 10 minutes or so.
Starting point is 01:11:51 That's lucky. That's freakish. Nobody else was having that experience. It wasn't that bad for me. And then I woke up on the second day and all of a sudden it's like, they fixed it. It's totally fine. Getting constant matches. So it was the reveal of the SFV server Twitter was where you wanted to be all weekend.
Starting point is 01:12:08 It's always that way. You want to be refreshing that to see what they're saying and what's going on. Where the poor's the party at. Party over here. So, yeah. And then the also the cool reveal where you can plug in a second controller to do playbook training mode with a partner. And bullshit, bullshit.
Starting point is 01:12:25 Put the light bars on and actually have a little weird versus mode. Exactly. Weird versus mode. So, Pat, expectations and results. Okay. On what particular aspect? Do you want to go categories here? Just general.
Starting point is 01:12:38 I'm going general and then I'm going to get into characters. Gains good. Shocker. Gains super good. Karen's buttons feel broken in their goodness. We were talking about this. Her standing medium kick is probably the best medium kick ever. When you say like, oh, a character has an answer to everything.
Starting point is 01:12:56 Like I tweeted out, her buttons have the answer to life, the universe and everything. It's the best. She has nothing but answers. Like her fucking normals are so good. Her feature is not that great. Her eight box is accurate to her model. Yeah. What it seems to be.
Starting point is 01:13:12 Her bad normals and good normals is like Nakali, his jab. The fist part of his jab goes through the opponent. It's the worst. Yeah. Armika, it's taken me a lot of time to get used to the fact that throws are not instant in this game. So, hold on. Before getting into character specifics, like I'm talking system generally.
Starting point is 01:13:30 Oh, okay. A lot of that stuff. Netcode is already better than fours. Right. Clearly. Yes. And you know they're using rollback because when I'm playing a bad match from Australia, boy, oh boy, that's a teleporting cast.
Starting point is 01:13:44 So, rollbacks are hilarious in that they're the way to go. Liam or Matt, did you guys get any time in? I opted not to play it. Oh, really? I was playing other stuff. Okay. So, there was just to figure out. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Just like. Like, when beta is like, I could have gotten into the Doom multiplayer beta, but I'm like, because I bought Wolfenstein, but I was like, I'll play it when it comes out. That's how I feel about Doom. It's demo, a demo is where I'll try to get in, but like a beta, I'm just like, I don't know. No, that's fine. I needed it in my blood, so.
Starting point is 01:14:16 I just wanted to finish other stuff. I really wanted to. I needed to get hands on time with Karen. So, yeah, the system changes. Absolutely. It's fun. It's solid. Definitely not anywhere near as slow as when you're looking at that first footage
Starting point is 01:14:29 and worrying about what it's going to be. No, it's faster. It's definitely faster. The one thing, though, is I got to say, like Desk is on point. He put out a video. That video's the best. And it's so fucking true. How do combos in SF5?
Starting point is 01:14:41 How to do combo. Yeah. And basically, he does a combo, and then he does the masher version, where you just do the same thing, except you input every button eight times, and it works just as quickly. And then he does the palm wiggle variant. One hand. One hand.
Starting point is 01:14:56 Upside down. Using a geef action finger to press the button. Using a toy. So, links are totally, totally easy. There's only one input in the whole data that I had trouble with doing consistently, and that was Karen's instance. Just frame, just frame upper. So the just frame, and the thing is, here's why.
Starting point is 01:15:14 Because it's tech and style, where if you're doing, Karen can do a stronger version of her dashing upper, that if you plink it, it works instantly raw, right, from neutral. But if you do it in a combo, you can't plink. You have to actually do it, and then pause, and then do the thing for like pause, quote unquote. It's hard. I had a really hard time doing it consistently. It's just different timing, but you can learn it if you learn the two different timings
Starting point is 01:15:42 you need. I guess. In any case. That might be why it was screwing me up. So, but the idea of like, oh, did I hit confirm, yes, the rest of this combo is guaranteed. So like, I'm not good at link execution. I'm just not good at it. I've never been good at it in any game.
Starting point is 01:15:59 So like videos are coming out of like, yo, here's a here's a reset combo with Mika with using your V trigger that does 100% stun. Is that that very first video that came out with the crossover? And I looked at that's like, that does look too complicated. But like, you know, you got to hit your links, like got in five minutes. It was so easy. Thanks are really easy. They're so cool.
Starting point is 01:16:22 Well, I remember there are hacks asking, asking combo fiend had a combo specific things. He said, I'll just do this, this, this, and I went in and it took me two tries, like, because it's not the fact that they, that it's, there's nothing at one frame links is only this to only two and above, but it's the fact that there's, there's tons of room. There's a link, but there's a link buffer system that lets you go one above or one below the frames you need to be on the one, everything in de facto becomes three. The moment that I knew was when a guy jumped in on me with Karen and did the cross up and then a low medium punch into a standing medium punch into her, her kicks.
Starting point is 01:16:57 And I had never seen that. And I had not thought of that in training because I'd only been using her low medium kit. And I was like, Oh, that seems really useful. That combos and I can do stuff. And I did it on my first jump in in a match after seeing it once. So there's an emphasis never have that has that ever happened and there's an emphasis on making things have more frames in general in this game.
Starting point is 01:17:22 Throws are all really long and slow. It hurts me. Right. You, you, you have your five frame throws coming out and things like that. And you have command throws that are like eight. The command throws are eight frames long. You're not landing that on anybody in the middle of an exchange. You are pulling that out as like you got in their head and they were panicking and not
Starting point is 01:17:42 pressing buttons. I need to switch my mentality from street fighter classic throws where a throw will just eat your normals to a virtual fighter throw in which a strike will be, well, well, it's not nothing. Normal's beat throws. They're supposed to. That's the rock, paper, scissor. No, shut up.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Yeah. That's the same thing to pat the other day. That's the rock, paper, scissors. That's how that match. I want to super dolls. But special characters will have invincible throws, ables, EX, buttery, you know, like they give stuff. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:18:10 There's certain characters that have the ability to just power through it. And in this game, they've completely removed that so far. It looks like. Maybe. With the beta, at least, it's characters. We'll have to have something a little more than Mika because he'll be an ultra-raveller. But Mika cannot power through normals with third throws at all. And in general, in this.
Starting point is 01:18:27 Which is why she has good normals. Which is why she has really, really good normals. Invincibility is scarce as fuck in the game in general. No more invincible. It feels like king of fighters sometimes. No more when you're getting jabbed out of things. Yeah. No more invincible back dash.
Starting point is 01:18:38 And like usually in four and in third strike, you think of someone flashing yellow and then that just blowing through anything. And in this case, no, you flash yellow and then get hit out of it constantly. The only thing I would add is like it appears to be relatively common. Not complaint, but no observation. Jabs are really good. It depends on who's jab. Like Kami's jab.
Starting point is 01:19:00 It depends on who's jab. But yeah. Jabs are meant to be. Have you played cross-tackin? Kami's jab is the best. Now the thing is that a lot of the time, because you know, people often have one cancelable normal or so, and then they have like a really good frame advantage light attack. With the jabs, jabs are really good.
Starting point is 01:19:17 Standing jabs are often better than crouching jabs, which is like. That's crazy. But it's because you're taking a bit more risk. Yeah. It makes more sense. It should be like that. So it's like in terms of the history of fighting, like that's super nuts. And yeah, all in all, you know, as far as characters go, like I looked in, I stopped
Starting point is 01:19:35 him and I'm like, okay, Nikali's probably where I'm going to end up. Really? Still? Because you said that like day one, and I was like, fuck you, you liar. I did. Day one, I said, day one, I said Bison. No, no, no, day one of this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:49 Because like, I was like, fuck you, Karen's not available yet. The instant Karen in that box, you're going to go to her. Yeah. I did. And no, I'm still going to probably stick with Nikali. Because like all the dumb fucking, oh, well, he picks the last box, jokes aside, I honestly always pick a guy who I think looks cool. He looks really cool.
Starting point is 01:20:05 And then whether they're good or they suck is up to fate, you know? So some games roll the dice in the right where it's like CVS 2, I get Cammie, Blanka, and Sagaht. And it's like, oops, whoops, it turns out that's the fucking team. And in other games, it doesn't happen. Well, now it's unclear about who the final boss is because of that dinner fight. Now we'll talk about that in a minute. Yeah, we'll talk about that in a minute too.
Starting point is 01:20:26 Absolutely. That'll be our first news story. Yeah. The final boss. I just, you know what I mean? And in other times, you get like a Kotal Kron or a Blanka when you're headed for the middle. I feel like we've said this in two separate points throughout this conversation, but I feel like it bears mentioning the Link leniency and the very good, even at this early stage
Starting point is 01:20:46 netcode, I never felt scared of dropping my combos online, not once. Yeah. Yeah. Like it works. They're doing it. They have a little bit to go, but they're doing it. The combos, considering it's not out till spring. Like the progress, they're like 90% there.
Starting point is 01:21:06 The combos I've dropped have been the combos I've gotten rolled back out of. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cause they can see so bad that they weren't even on the ground. Yes. And bad rollback fights are unlike bad old netcode lag fights, bad rollback fights are
Starting point is 01:21:22 unplayable. They're magic. Yeah. Because there's two fights happening. And the best bad rollback moment is playing third strike and seeing like Ryu do a goddamn hard shoryuken and then you jump and he's on the ground because he never left the ground. Yeah. Or doing a combo and then you get a drop in the middle of the combo, but while you were
Starting point is 01:21:48 beating the guy up, he was Ken and mashing fierce DP. So you get eaten. And I changed my mind to the new, it's in third strike online edition is when you're playing footsies and you'll throw out like a Elena's like medium kick and you'll win. And no you didn't! And it'll roll back that final footsie hit and you'll just break, you'll go, what, what? So the thing with the Kali is, and I called it on the trailer by the way, so I see a body projectile, an uppercut, a command grab and a dive kick and it's like these are the tools
Starting point is 01:22:27 you give somebody who you don't intend to give any buttons to. And his normals are all shit. Are there any good ones? Yes. Low-medium kick is okay. They're not all shit, but they're all shit in a casual set. Like you can use his standing hard kick to crush counter and you get some fat fucking business kicks on people and it feels good.
Starting point is 01:22:49 That's a good one. And when you get it in the air they do like a little floating spin which lets you go into whatever you want. I think the Kali's like standing punches are the worst I've ever seen in a Street Fighter. They're the stubbiest little T-Rex swings and imagine if the T-Rex's claws don't have a hitbox. Don't even have a hitbox on them, yeah. So you can see him going into his rage mode and like he swings his jab out and there's
Starting point is 01:23:14 all this magic energy on the end of his jab that does nothing. That's great. It's a fucking joke, right? And so like it took all weekend for me to figure out what's the game plan. How? You just jump in all the time. And like I figured it out after like okay I was playing for a while, struggling, watching some streams and then I was watching footage of Aliyun, God bless fucking Aliyun.
Starting point is 01:23:37 That's great. The best. This fucking champ. He's number, he's got to number, he's number one. Yeah. Oh really? Really? He took ranking spots to him.
Starting point is 01:23:46 Wow congrats to him. Number one. That's sick. Like 56 points. Hold on. I want to point that out as a special consideration that is great. The ranking system in this game is great. It's fantastic.
Starting point is 01:23:59 It just tells you this is your ranking. I got to 8,900. That's good. Yeah. It tells you where you are, what your number is, and then you have another level which is like experience, which is like how many battles you fought and like and it's so interesting because like there are clearly two different things that are like. One thing is just like yeah, how much you've played and the other is how good you are and
Starting point is 01:24:22 you'll see somebody and go like oh shit level 32 and then you get into the fight and he's like rank 5 digits. 25,000. And you're just like oh my god. You've been grinding it out. But like it had the effect that like because VP was always super confusing to me. It was. But now it's like what is my ranking?
Starting point is 01:24:42 What is that person's ranking? Yeah. Ro. The two numbers they have are literally the ones you want the most. And then the leak points determines where you fall on the ranking list basically. So thankfully. I just want to point that out because it's so good. Yes.
Starting point is 01:24:58 Thankfully I like spent most of my time in the comfortable 1,000 to 2,000 range. Oh really? You got way way farther up there than me at the whole time. In the Gonzo sphere? The Gonzo sphere. What is that even? Where you're stuck playing Hanzo Gonzo only. Oh yeah that was day one.
Starting point is 01:25:16 Day one. Me and Hanzo Gonzo just had endless back-to-back matches and there was no one else I could get into a fight with. Maybe that's why I was getting into those fights pretty quickly. Yeah. You too just happened to gel. We were on the same. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:29 Crazy. So that ranking. Of all people to get matched with. The same shard. That's great. That ranking system will improve dramatically with one more piece of information and that's total players. Yes.
Starting point is 01:25:39 Of course yeah. When you see like you know I say I got to like 9,000. That's not great. That's not bad. But if I'm 9,000 of 280,000. Yeah. Yeah exactly. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:25:53 Yeah. No now Max on Max got in under a thousand so like get on him for that as well. But no watching that footage of Aliyun and seeing how he dealt with how he used the Cali and how you figure this match out. Is he maning the Cali? It looks like he's maning the Cali right now until we don't know. For the beta. Of course yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:11 You know Hanzo Gonzo is playing him as well and yeah you just understand oh your buttons are shit therefore you will lose at footsies almost all the time therefore don't play footsies with the Cali. It makes sense. Yeah. It's straight up like you don't even engage. You jump in do a couple hits jump out not jump sorry dash in dash out and you're spending most of the game at mid range where you're going to DP any jumps they do and dash through
Starting point is 01:26:37 any fireballs. Right yeah his dash just beats fireballs. And if it's a character without those then you're looking to crush a critical a crush counter hit you know and that's how you get your wins in and like before adopting that strategy I was like my win rate was like I don't know I guess I'd win four out of five games or so and then putting that into place took me through the rest of the game no problem. Mika is terrifying. Super scary.
Starting point is 01:27:07 She's so good. And in her face if you treat her like a grappler and she is and you back out the only thing she has is her drop kick at a certain point and she becomes way less scary but if you decide to try and take her head on don't you're probably going to fucking don't don't play Mika's game because she wants you there. Yeah and when you get cornered by her that's your dad. The whole match is a work. Like this game the damage it's it feels like super turbo like it's the scariest core game
Starting point is 01:27:37 I've ever played because you're in the corner you're dead. So Geith is a grappler that excels like with you close to him on the stage on the field and Hugo wanted you in the corner Mika gets both of these things and Nadeshko for the mix up is or extra combos or like any number of things Nadeshko is like you only get one around you get one but it's super good and you make it work you can use it to make it yourself sit. I was watching I forget who it was but guy would like here's all the cool shit you can do with V trigger and it's the it's the hit confirm button for shit noobs because like
Starting point is 01:28:12 you you you throw out a punch and cancel it and you intend to be a great did you hit yes do anything you want did you not back dash and and there are also people are using it like they used OK so in SF for they gave to God angry scar after super yeah and what it lets him do is is he uses two bars of meter to get a stronger Tiger uppercut the main advantage of using it wasn't the stronger Tiger uppercut it was pausing the game temporarily to see what you're doing and reacting to it yeah so people are popping V trigger when you're in the air just to get a cleaner uppercut on and the other thing is like Nikali in particular is V trigger is amazing because you can hide his charge in it yes sending
Starting point is 01:28:51 with bison as well so someone on Twitter was like yeah I was talking about that's like on Nikali V triggers underwhelming compared to everyone else's and it's like as like aesthetically he's got the cool hair and his but in his improvements it's like yeah it gives him very subtle not obvious improvements he's it forever but he keeps it forever and it gives him and it gives me a let's it lets it you let's you combo off of jab he let's use meter game right no he only thing he loses is his ability to do our alpha counter oh only yes I thought I thought his meter game was hamper that's that must have been how it was when we played it maybe but they must change it right now he just that's the only
Starting point is 01:29:25 disadvantage okay yeah and yeah and so like so once you get his game plan in I'm like alright I felt comfortable that was all good because they're Rashid is the most slept on character I've ever seen in the first I played as Rashid crazy I played as Rashid for a couple matches and immediately like there were moments I'm like I look at the screen I look down my sticks like I don't know what I am doing what I am doing and then I fought a couple Rashid's that were just doing little whirlwinds and being shitty and then I fought one guy and he's whooped me harder than anyone else in the beta I couldn't like I felt like a Naruto character were like I can't see him where is he on the screen is the most like
Starting point is 01:30:12 you grab him and you don't know what you're doing so you just go I'm now fuck it but if you put in work it is unbelievable is it like a con or like really good a con like it's like a con player tornado is better than a goose reflector it goes the whole screen and it stays there and it's just like you're not jumping and it also lets him get a cross up from the wrong corner yeah um so so I tweeted out like a just a ridiculous re-dizzy combo that he has and shit where you throw out not even the normal tornado throw that out cancel it into his v skill roll jump neutral and end up crossing up the guy right in front of his face for no reason and the fact that he's got two wall jumps they didn't you didn't
Starting point is 01:30:57 this wasn't obvious go back to four he's got he's got the jump that's a normal wall jump that every other fighting game character has then he has the one where he jumps off the wall and dive kicks at you and that crosses you up if you're yeah like yeah fucking crazy bonkers you can't you can't read this guy I still think the scariest character by far was vega vega is no longer roll still busted no they're all unsafe oh all you can jab at the end of all of okay because the way it was when me and pat played a packs even the heavy I got a punch for the block string on him yeah it was not it was unbeatable but he's terrifying like the good players that I was seeing and I was watching flows tutorial
Starting point is 01:31:37 video with him like I was watching flows stream it's funny because these the tutorial videos are up there and getting posted but that's stream started with guys how do I gain V skill sure how do I get me hours later like here's all the cool stuff what is this dude yeah like just it's just hit using the claw change to hit confirm into goofy stuff video those just called terrifying vega yeah it's crazy vega vega is he seems scarier than he is but right now with the nerfs and stuff that you know I've dropped him down you can fight back against him that's good but you just have to you have to spend a lot of time not pressing but he is easily the best he has ever been that much as maybe maybe ST unless you are the versions
Starting point is 01:32:24 where he can wall where you can climb the fence or whatever from the world warrior shit you know but yeah I know that that's and everyone else is as they were that's a good ass beta and it's kind of sad that's like on and now we're done until next year until the games out you know because you see feel like you're starting to learn a couple of matches like on day minus 180 so this isn't cabcom's fault right this is just the way games get made yeah but the way we live now and the way games come out and the way you play games like and I've seen other people echo this and they're wrong but I can understand why they would think this like it would have felt totally natural for this beta to not have ended and
Starting point is 01:33:05 then like we're going to keep working on the game add characters until the games released in February or whatever like this felt like early access like shot at it and then I then there's the like I wasn't playing the last day because I was like I'll just play next week like I actually hit my mom yeah yeah yeah yeah because it like it will rise in thunder rise in thunder spring last month breaking news unfinished game feels like early access game yeah no no that's not what I mean they don't mean in terms of polish no that's what you said in terms of accessibility mentally I feel like as as fucking hype as I got when they unveiled the original roster from beta one it was almost like a mistake because it's
Starting point is 01:33:46 like oh fuck it just got real mm-hmm when I go to the character select screen and there's eight choices that's too many I'm like this girl girl this feels real now you could release this game I'm not exactly at my head stops going from all beta to like no I'm playing it so now it's gone five is out yeah and now it's not anymore that's what happened they took it away it was out for one day people are people are working on hacking the PC version so apparently so give it give it a minute and you'll be able to download a version of it next week did you where you can just play versus did you guys see the that that modded video of a guy doing all the supers in training mode from a from a default far away camera
Starting point is 01:34:26 with no camera shifts oh no I'm getting to see what all the that's always cool and four and three for five of them your kids Dudley's teleporting all over the place they're all the best the best is Charlie sorry Nash same thing where like the instant he hits a super this giant black cube shows up in the middle of the screen yeah because they don't actually dark in the whole darkness they just put a dark cube and and shut up you shout out to everybody who undermines our knowledge of TMS plot guide yeah because we're talking about Cody's rocks and yeah I want to like how nerdy are you guys like dudes I wanted to retweet max about this but I knew it would get buried so I figured I'd like throw it
Starting point is 01:35:11 out here because we were talking about like somebody asked me and maybe you was in the same tweet like so who's strong who's you always talk about Charlie and Cody is being like weirdo freaks like which one's stronger and mean you had some difference of opinions is like I think Cody's better but you're right because Charlie tries Charlie would totally win it's not my opinion and I'm quoting the guy I'm quoting if Cody tried he would be number one and the example that I used is Cody picks up a pile of dirt and rocks and just tosses it and makes it a real red and it beats fireballs and sonic booms and exactly that's crazy Cody's power potential is unrivaled and the reason he doesn't give a reason I want
Starting point is 01:35:56 to call Max is that he's like he just he just comes in on that change man I always hated that Cody's up there with like gods and demons that's done like screw you like yeah I was at that what did he go to jail on purpose yes yes he did he can break out whatever we fall on opposite ends of the spectrum man like he has a wind pose where he takes the handcuffs softs rotate his wrists and put them back on remember Max Cody was deaf I had somebody tweet at me and it was this idea that is so amazing and I'm so in love with it that I need to put it back out there and it's one of Cody comes in SF5 it's definitely a possibility in the future and his V trigger is just he takes the cuffs on and keeps all of his normals
Starting point is 01:36:45 exactly the same without handcuffs but all the handcuffs just come off and there's no bam there's no click if he should be out of prison by then he has an animation where he puts it back on and it leaves him vulnerable that's awesome like that's so good no no he has an animation where he puts it back on but he has full super armor yeah it's all great life and then he looks up at you as what like Cody's get your hits and get your hits and what Cody is the shit the final five characters are crazy they're all guy in hangar and I need crazier than anybody guy is like right below the mutants and demons are you bush in Ryu is the street fighter equivalent of the sith there can only be to a master and a student
Starting point is 01:37:47 and you've got to kill your master what I mean is that there's no lore behind Cody or behind a guy or a hangar that make them anything really special Cody's the only one that has it bush in Ryu is supposed to be able to defeat Psycho power but there's not been any sort of well it's like bush in Ryu practitioners are revered as gods amongst the street fighter the ninja clans like geckies are shit tier the bookies clan is like normal and then the the guy ninjas are the fucking serious shit yeah because there's only two and hangar was the mayor you well yeah that'll make him he's suplexed a shark exactly because remember in the fucking udon comics Ryu needs to tap into the darkest recesses of satsunohado
Starting point is 01:38:33 to even beat Cody and Cody's not even looking at him when that happens it's the same way he beats sagat yeah yeah it's exactly cheating Ryu's cheater Ryu the cheater Ryu from day one yeah Ryu has cheated to win two of his biggest fights ever no three all three first one the sagat yeah Cody and the end of street fighter two fight against bison he cheats by having a kuma murder bison for you never replaced him with mr. that's crazy I guess sagat was giving him a helping hand and Ryu took that sure you like what I learned when I learned that sagat's character is so much better because like I was a good guy well he wasn't a good guy but he was an honorable fighter and I respected your fight you know like he killed
Starting point is 01:39:24 Dan's dad but he did it honorably yeah he didn't go out and murdered him and he challenged him and he fought to the death but like after that sick disfiguring sucker punch he's like okay wow yeah fuck this yeah gonna go genocide some tigers and it's especially it that so that's like idea and like plot type of thing get better if you know like vagabond in a way because though a lot of vagabond struggle is like honor in fighting and is there a point to it versus scrap dirty poke him in the eyes and shit on his feet also in the comic when I got learned stuff from Dalsim and he's like Ryu I can destroy you super easily no problem that would not be fair you need to learn shit from this crazy man I can beat you I always really liked
Starting point is 01:40:22 the Udon comics taking Dalsim and elevating him all the way to the top with the other God characters he doesn't try either he's part of Dalsim is possibly depending your interpretation like above everyone else because Bison's up there and Bison's afraid of Dalsim yeah yeah he's because he's mentally it's people who are mental strength or have extra combat ability imagine if Dalsim waves goodbye to her little baby here Ryu and he's like bye I guess I guess you learned okay and then you just hear like like a scuffling walk up and he looks up and Cody's there to learn from Dalsim shut the book down shut the book down it's over and Dalsim's like no man get out yeah like you see what do you mean you have handcuffs on take them up no Dalsim's
Starting point is 01:41:08 like what you can do what with rocks I can't do that with rocks Cody and Cody and Marvel versus Capcom Galactus shows up it's Galactus turns around and walks off his face Galactus wants nothing to do with it no that human has a knife now get the fuck out of here yeah it's like okay maybe I can take him Cody picks up the knife walk fuck this you saved the earth exactly
Starting point is 01:41:33 Thanos has the infinity gaula and he sees Cody pick up the knife he's like oh I don't mmm that knife is though mmm it's it's range is so good sure sure I have the power of reality but this dude's got he's too real like I'm just waiting for like the eventual like breakdown of like actually the deal with Cody is that he has time powers yeah because his his stop his turn around stop combo is impossible in reality yeah he doesn't anyway yes we all the turn 180 degrees and and like his jabs don't actually retract mm-hmm so like what is Cody was the mouth Cody's actually traveling
Starting point is 01:42:15 through time while he's beating your ass after every hit connect he just time so there's no cool down okay time travels back to halfway through the punch and throws it again this is my design so we've got that's where that leads us into the data mining and everyone data mining people have pulled all kinds of crazy shit out of the Street Fighter 5 PC build and my net shit though this is less data mining and more just looking at file names and opening it and opening it up in notepad data minus notepad the greatest hacker of our time so this story has been updating like 10 times since on the way over here it got changed twice yeah so because
Starting point is 01:42:54 so people people were forgot about the naming conventions of people are correcting Balrog bison so by the time you guys hear this tomorrow if you listen to the podcast as soon as it goes up it may be different but this is what we got as of now we'll be hit us there's F A N is the letters in the name of a new character yeah T U T is also the letters in the name of a new character DSM is applying Dalsum is going to show up yeah and these these are entries in the games story illustration folder yes that would that means that these characters will have some kind of story mode place in a larger story mode like a like a you know Tekken has its endings and the trousers like that I haven't looked at it since it's been
Starting point is 01:43:40 updated but has there been a T O M no damn no T O M these are very very likely yeah to be playable characters or in the initial release or at least one of them might be a boss that's in the story mode and again this is incorrectly bolding out BLR for Balrog not noticing that is Japanese because Vega isn't there and Vega is Japanese bison yeah and bison is Japanese like one of the new datamined things so therefore Balrog is Vega no Vega is there but I mean I mean as bison he is as dictator he is so the files look the files have Vega and Balrog and both of those characters whichever versions of their name like Vega is in the game and other Vegas in the game and Balrog is in the game it's very confusing other Balrog is not but
Starting point is 01:44:31 but sir but bison is not listed boxers Mike bison the boxing guy my fight money is not on this list yes which is a bummer to me because he's the only he's within so there are more lines of code that are remaking reference to character models for Yuri in and Alex good Alex we saw there's more and jury and the boogie but the poly count on them and the desk go as well the poly count on them is high enough 80 to 100,000 triangles to match the normal characters like fight which Alex in the background is not that well also these characters don't just have an incredibly high poly counts that blow the background characters out of water they also have full bone rigging which the background characters I don't even know that you don't even have and like I think
Starting point is 01:45:20 Tut has like 300 and something bones or something which is yeah way more than anything normal so it's possible that it's like a monster freak or or a training dummy yeah training dummy but like these characters don't have story mode things but they might be models that are in the story mode or they might be DLC characters or they might be both season one yeah I think we're looking at season one also of course Zen nowhere to be found on that list I think the Zen I think was fan or Nikali yeah exactly I think it's one of those could be Zen would be a weird name to give Nikali but like it's the opposite I need to chill out starting to lean towards Tut being a tutorial character I think so yeah I think so and it's tall yeah there it is no I'd be fine with that
Starting point is 01:46:08 never get tall at least they'll be in yeah at least they'll be in they're treading thin ground without a license license rights for fucking Javan oh if they put Tom in there like forgot about they got Karen and they've never yeah all of their like panicky lawsuit moves have never actually resulted in yeah they're just doing it out of good panicky lawsuit moves then I guess but yeah we're probably looking at this that's a good that's a good series of picks for season one Alex you're in Jureen Ibuki that's good those are the people like those characters I like them too do people like Ibuki I hear she's pretty popular I like her in the comics I don't like Ibuki but I know that people do like everyone everyone likes Ibuki no one likes playing no one likes
Starting point is 01:46:57 playing as Ibuki but everyone likes Ibuki but I want her casual street clothes that'll be you can buy for sure for sure high school regular high school girl like regular high school Eleanor is like I'm excited to see Jerry with a new costume give her old costume give the job like Yuri like it out like after seeing Rashid and getting bodied by Rashid you can just put Yuri in you can you don't have to change Aegis reflector here's what I want you can just do it I want Yuri in but he keeps the suit on the suit pants well really V triggers when the suit comes off he gets naked for the V trigger like of course I like that pitiful scum no like his torso should be bare but like the suit pants with the belt I think no no you should have a suit
Starting point is 01:47:51 briefcase reflector comes out he's the joke character of the game business Yuri and glasses and like hunches over if he does have a suit it should be more open suit like not like not really all right and Liam's right if he does have a full suit then the V trigger should burst that thing right on suit with suit but it's not buttoned up with the shirt and the tie open well welcome to fashion that would be much better that'd be cool no I want I want to dress up perfectly like you should be like is I like if I like him with the suit on better than the shirt off like if he's in a full suit then something needs to burst that shit off yeah yeah like this dick like if he's not in a full suit then it's fine he can stay
Starting point is 01:48:33 like that first through his pants the old days of like crush I don't think anyone will be sad but a hint of hammock is gone because the reason I would the reason for Gill and Seth all looking the way they do is because owner was always talking about how he wants the last boss to look like an Adonis like a fighter you mean like McCauley exactly and you know what you've done it we've had naked man boss for a while now so we can go somewhere else I'm done with naked man boss I kind of like the naked man boss we've had four of them I know we're gonna like them would you rather Ingrid no I wish one of the leakers would have faked it and put Ingrid in oh god that's where I have to go verify the files by self yeah I turn into a data miner okay how do
Starting point is 01:49:28 I do this just start deleting yeah no here's the problem they said anyone anyone willing to do that would have put Ingrid and then they would have not been able to help themselves and they would put skullomania in it and then you would have looked at and gone yeah that's bullshit well skullomania is gonna mean oh don't combo fiend told us in person we spoke to combo fiend and one of the first questions we asked like so when skullomania we know he's coming and he laughs and he's like I'm like no really when and he's like yeah I know they paid for Karen to get back in they're not gonna pay for more Erika who knows it would be cheaper to hire the mob to kill Erika I think I think if you buy Erika dinner he'll probably like be open to the we can't get
Starting point is 01:50:14 skullomania can we get can we get movement rider in there yeah yeah buy him dinner in a show and you got all the rights to all those characters no give it give him the fucking Irish Shoto got Alan Alan's Alan Schneider promised them you'll make fighting later too and then don't how about that um lost even me on fighting layer is the fighting game with just the ex characters in it that didn't that was a thing which we're playing next week I think right or it wasn't a thing what was the 3ds one that was fighting I don't know I thought that was a sad Jesus Christ I'll go fighting layer is confusing it's a lot of things it's nothing I don't know for sure but I think I believe that was their game that was going to be all the yeah this conversation isn't even worth it
Starting point is 01:50:59 why did I start it yeah you know what is worth it no fighting yeah exactly they did a tech demo for 3ds as well yeah what is worth of willy what is worth it is bread and fucking Williams is becoming a wrestler finally the thing he was always born to be sired if you will right to the wrestling universe probably listening to this podcast near steps away from me finally catching up and getting an NFL position he leaves to go further into no that's like that fucking shit gag is the gag is I'm always chasing behind Brennan because he's a he's a professional football player doing it all in real life like a lot of binoculars to look up the mountain but it was only a cardboard standee and there was and he was up there doing the Randy Orton pose the legend fucking shit
Starting point is 01:51:49 where you guys you assholes are like oh man guitar hero one so awesome oh man guitar hero two so awesome and I'm like maybe I'll get into this guitar hero stuff and I buy guitar hero three and then you go you guys you fucking guitar hero it's a fucking worth rock man and I'm going to America by rock man what are you doing this idiot he bugged the target yeah never forgave you so my favorite part my favorite part about the story is the part where the same week that this got announced a couple days earlier it was an asset he was he was signed to the Patriots training camp yeah and that you had like a lot of people were like yeah great black doing that yes that's correct and great black come back it's gonna happen we're gonna do it and then Brennan just like nah fuck
Starting point is 01:52:35 that I'm gonna I'm joining Booker T's wrestling camp we're doing it real we're doing it right and if you are listening all the best to you I hope you do well in your endeavors I hope you don't get pigeonholed into a football theme you can do if that if that happened in wrestling everyone would be football man yeah we're just putting it out there time power time power you know you'll whisper his ear have you heard of the concept of stands just see where it's going and he knows more than he does yeah this fucker knows man he besides like tweeting wrong they talk about him like oh he's more for you's more appropriate because he's been a big fan of wrestling for years and he likes me so I'm like yeah but y'all aren't talking about his persona LPs talking about his deep
Starting point is 01:53:25 animus shit where's that reference his amazing Russell mania and show you're not talking about where's that fucking showing up on TMZ huh anyway I really hope that works out I couldn't cheer a person harder if that happens and he's been asked I'm sure like like in some of the other interviews like what's your gimmick what's your final move what's your special and stuff like that and like I'd sound like workshop in this it's what like though I saw two years like he had he listed a couple in some of the interviews but it looks like he's now like open to suggestions is what he said so it could be anything because time time powers is good how can you stop the other wrestlers in the rain that's a good power right stands also good yeah a little bit further down personas
Starting point is 01:54:13 still still in there still good still in there no you're shaman shaman also alter egos if you want to get into a scribe that's not talking about that's not talking about the the uh fuck I don't know alters they're called alters yeah she's a shell bullet shell bullet the altar that's not okay okay you're starting to lose it okay ready you come to the ring you're dressed normally but then you put on a power suit and you can only rustle in it for two minutes before you die so you have to finish finish it this is free this is all free you're gonna get a new nemesis gonna be the spider crab gonna get a new guy if Mexican wrestler could go a spider crab right yeah yeah definitely anyway lots of money yeah what's ready you know what could there be a
Starting point is 01:55:02 parallel universe gimmick yes you could be there you could be the Brennan Williams from the parallel universe and we keep swapping back and forth yeah yeah that could you might as well just do the multiple personality gimmick at the time your bread and as a kid times better uh how about the how about the crystal gem gimmick where I'm actually fused I'm two separate entities that became Brennan Williams yeah but like occasionally there's moments where the ring goes dark and then when the lights come back on there's two guys in the ring going oh no you'd have to you'd have to be obsidian yeah yeah that's the only way all right uh speaking of places where money is at wow we're not at we're not at there's money at wrestling there's there's money
Starting point is 01:55:54 in microtransactions this guitar hero we're getting into we're getting into payday there's two this week there's two so I'm pretty sure the crux of the payday story seems to be what they said they'd never do micro okay they're doing now hold on the one I in all fairness a guy who left the company said we'll never do micro transaction and also in the opposite it does look terrible you're right in the opposite fairness the statement that that guy who left the company made was very unambiguous yeah no for us we will never do micro transactions and shame on you for implying that we will yeah no shame on the company for doing it but it was a different guy like a creative director or something he was he was high up but I don't know it was just like it was the guy who
Starting point is 01:56:45 gets in the interviews payday is a bank robbie game and now they have a free-to-play currency because you will get safe drops and well it's like crates and keys and instead of crates and keys it's safe some drills and that's pretty much it and that's it's as standard as you can expect the only main differences is that the earlier statement by that was like 100% unambiguous and they put out the ps3 version of payday 2 it was all fucked up 3 not 4 ps3 yeah okay it was all fucked up and when asked like hey how come it's all fucked up when are you gonna fix it someone I thought that was the Xbox one version they were talking about balance ps3 I think regardless they put out a fucked up version yeah and when people said hey you put out fucked up version the the reply from the
Starting point is 01:57:31 development team was you should just play it on PC you fucks not sure about that last bit that was a very loose paraphrasing but it was yeah go play they have not done well to enamor themselves to their fan base in the recent times and they recently had an AM in the AM am I tried it at which point they ignored every question yeah it was just marketing from what I can tell you I was a damage control AMA that was basically like yeah we're not changing anything but this is an AMA so you can ask me and I'll tell you that no we're not gonna change it yeah it was piece of advice time your controversies because people are still talking about investing MB coins in the MB Dow Jones and then taking out mutual funds on their their MB markets for their FOB yeah of
Starting point is 01:58:17 course the payday is like standard microtransaction what's your what's your mortgage at real life games now so the I want to say we can chase has now takes MB coins where is that better than bitcoins or worse this exchange on that they're getting better they're gonna be better in a few months time so the payday stuff is standard microtransaction evil but that guitar here or shit is is just it defies believe you know a guitar here oh well sorry Matt I was gonna say really quickly it's like I'd have much more of an opinion on this payday stuff if like I didn't try payday multiple times and just be flabbergasted at everything and how it works it's so one of those things like try jump in the left for dead to now yeah kind of like I just whatever I started
Starting point is 01:59:09 up I'm like I oh I can't start this now you're dead the bank yeah so I've seen more cosplay that I've seen gameplay and there's all that Halloween cool how am I any stuff I'm like I wish I could get in there but it's just so advanced for a little baby brain it's an easy game please like not not for me you just go in you break in and you break out please explain this guitar so so Willie how does a guitar hero game work you play a guitar hero game you get the game you get a bunch of songs on it and you unlock the songs as you go through and if it was one of the later games you go to the store and you buy the game the songs want a piece no fuck you so this game you buy it and you get you get your song list but you don't get to pick which
Starting point is 01:59:48 songs you play there's a thing in the game I believe it's called guitar hero TV or so alive like that I believe it's the name of the game guitar hero life anyway but you go on that and you just see what songs are on and you get to play those songs or you can pay to play what songs you want with premium currency so they're really generous with the premium currency so once every six songs you can pick a song but that's bullshit wait hold on hold on it's like a rotating radio playlists okay so guitar heroes two through six and 74 songs to 93 songs well forget the number right and anyone has 42 and micro transactions yeah okay hold on fork out a hundred quid for the game you can't play the songs you want there's no way to permanently unlock
Starting point is 02:00:45 a song no matter how badly you want unfettered access to your favorite tunes a 10 pack of plays will cost you oh my god that's what I'm saying how much will a 10 pack will cost you 250 and you can buy unlimited plays for 24 hours for six bucks yeah like a karaoke holy shit so it's the worst of all very all time so like I said they're very they're very generous with giving you the free to play currency in game but that's still horseshit anytime you see the song playing sections songs you might I believe a song you want to play if to spend a form of in game currency so there's a $60 game known as guitar here alive it has forty two songs on it which is less than every other even cares I'm just going it's all only being sold a hundred dollar bundle because not the old
Starting point is 02:01:32 instruments work the selection can be found elsewhere on top of this previous controllers will not work with the game a new controller costs 40 bucks so it's a hundred bucks to get into the entry level there's a series a service known as guitar hero TV which is a radio station type channel that deals songs out with purchases of the game can hop into play whenever a song is being streamed players cannot own any song from the service and they can't select the song from the service they can only play it when it's being streamed via the radio thing there's a karaoke system where you rent songs to play using play tokens you earn play tokens by leveling up in games like what do I have to take out a mortgage to play a fucking video game scoring top three on
Starting point is 02:02:11 the on the radio service or paying the tokens and you earn plays so sorry I can't play guitar here with you I have to contact my lawyer first if 250 for 10 tokens and that lets you yeah play in like $6 if they wanted to do this live song thing then the game should be free like just the base game like yeah the base game this exactly like this sounds like something where the game is 100% free and you just go buy your guitar and your instrument is like and you go I only 60 bucks the perception because you don't have it on a disc in your house would make it feel because then it's like at least it's like you're jumping on to like a service type thing that is like anyone can look at it and go I want to play this song and occasionally this is the free
Starting point is 02:03:01 song of the hour or whatever but this thing you pay for it's like a karaoke structure almost holy like that's gross it's like it's one of the worst you know what this is this feels like insurance for the inevitable we're gonna kill the rhythm game genre again on purpose before it gets to those and crashes we're gonna milk it all out while you're having those party nights with your friends and then not and then forget it forever I'm just glad the rhythm game game is more alive so I guess like these games aren't taken off every time you invite friends 20 bucks 30 out of your pocket so that that meeting concludes right and then they used to be the three evil suit men get up and walk into the next meeting room and sit down and go okay we're almost done
Starting point is 02:03:51 killing Call of Duty what's gonna replace the biggest game in the world okay people come on you got three years to think up a new biggest game in the world before we milk this one of dirt and then they get up and leave those people do that and then they walk over to the burning meeting room where they're like how's the sales of Tony Hawk 5 getting 5 stars on a song in the past required how many plays 100 right depends on depends on your on the higher on the expert difficulty on your scale 50 I don't know like a lot a lot of plays and fucking you'll never get good at this like even if you're buying you'll never even if you're doing the $6 every day just to learn how to play this one song what the how much money is that in the end when you're you
Starting point is 02:04:36 shouldn't be you're playing it whatever songs on the 42 songs that it comes with can you play those whenever you want like that's not clear it says I'm just kind of shrugged and looked in another direction because I assume you can and that's why part of this thing so bad they only release the game with like to half the soundtrack usually just just go by DJ max not DJ max super beat Zonic by the DJ max guys which has heavy day from guilty gear and soon and just be yes I was gonna say it's getting guilty gear and blaze move yeah exactly so just be happy with that um so yeah there's the 42 songs on it are the songs that you don't have to unlock these are just play those 42 those are the 42 you can play whenever you want okay thank god for that and then it's everything
Starting point is 02:05:25 and again that's half of so yeah it's half of this that's the guitar hero to yeah so so if the DLC thing didn't exist at all this would be half as good of a value as guitar hero to in the first place and with the DLC stuff it's the worst value ever if the game was free this would be gross but acceptable it would be acceptable I'll go buy a $70 guitar and you can but the inability with the inability to buy a song the fact that you rent songs oh the inability you still have to rent a song yeah like you don't get to the song and finish it in the free bit and then it says do you want to play again or yet buy the song permanently for $2 you can't play again yeah you know it should play again wow all right I'm yeah so there's that time your controversy payday team just just just make
Starting point is 02:06:24 sure that the activision's doing something so that you're bad babe you're blown out by their bad baby fair really does one way way worse than the other so there's the big story that is going around is Red Flies Darth Maul game might live again yeah we were just talking about this not too long ago the footage of that game back in the day like what five years ago it looked awesome pretty good all right I wasn't even done it was just a prototype no I always thought I always thought we'll say no wooly slightly sweats cuz it's fucking shirtless Darth Maul right and like when you look at the footage of it and the fact that they're like they didn't give us a story they just said it's about Darth Maul so we started making our own story up yeah and they started coming up with
Starting point is 02:07:10 some cool shit it was like yeah that's cool man and like they want to they want to polish this up to show it to EA to give like drum up some interest and they're I can think the quote says we're confident we have something that's real that's gonna wow them yeah the and I looking at the concept art for some of the other Darth's that were gonna be in the game like they had some talent in there on the poster I saw I saw Talon with that yeah the timeline doesn't make a ton of sense doesn't matter you know that art for talent it looks really good right yeah you know why why because they fucking stole it oh shit that's a figure that was released of Talon yeah oh shit and they took a picture of it and they flipped it and they photoshopped it a little bit but that
Starting point is 02:07:53 is just stolen that's awesome really like nasty shit I guess it's I like redfly but don't don't do that oh man I guess it's like to be fair it's like it's a pitch for no exactly like that art that art would have gone any further it would have been a huge one yeah it's got all these it's got it's got Darth Cron and Darth Crate and what's his brother's name again I don't know savage oppressed there you go the yellow guy so super cool I really hope that the yellow guy when is Darth Ghostface killer Darth Darth Redmond Darth method Darth Jay-Z but I really hope something comes of that even if it's a little downloadable super little action game I hope they do it I like redfly but none of their games have been like actually great they've all been
Starting point is 02:08:57 always thought the first mushroom man game is mushroom is the best game and it's and it's good so yeah I mean like there's a certain level of like you know tingling my pants just seeing Darth Maul running around yeah of course and they said it's not like a force unleashed kind of combat systems are gonna go with but from where I could see of it and like it looked all right it didn't like it was like it was gonna cool enough that you're like I'm in a weird place with this because every game is always gonna be like the shadow Jedi outcast yeah and you're like play Rogue Squadron that's it well keep saying that is so good do you have the sickest lightsaber fights known to the existence of no but the tutorial is to blow up the Death Star out being
Starting point is 02:09:38 on foot with a lightsaber is always cooler than being in a ship all but you didn't play I played a bit of it's the experience and then you go do the run in the second Death Star with the Millennium Falcon it's always cooler tight it barely fits that's a difference of opinion that's a difference of opinion it's kind of like it's like it's like on the tier of Star Wars gameplay you've got pod racing then you've got the ship space battles then you've got lightsaber lightsaber duels are actually the worst of those and they're at the bottom of the list and then you just put Jedi outcast and Jedi Academy at the actual top because all the lightsaber duels except for power battles and Jedi outcast and Academy they're all terrible yeah I just
Starting point is 02:10:25 meant cool yeah cool and yeah laser swords in the original trilogy there are no cool fights maybe except the last one that's not even that cool but if you like drool inducing prequel fighting with lightsabers yeah that no I like that I outcast raver twists with glow sticks that I outcast fighting would look really stupid if you saw it from the side on yeah it's a lot of horizontal wipes and then jumps to nowhere and then horizontal swipes again I like the brutality of the game and it feels really good to play but it looks like shit oh yeah have you guys said it's a fucking 2,000-hour pc brogue squadron looks perfect today you ever see the I like I like the cheat sheet for winning lightsaber fights yeah yeah you were you were
Starting point is 02:11:14 explaining oh my god it's the fucking best it's just like here's all the moves that would actually win a lightsaber battle some of them are really dumb some of them are really dumb but there's some good ones in particular the I'm disarmed you pull your sword out to kill me and I push your lightsaber into your face and the best of all time my favorite you take a swing the guy puts up his sword to parry it turn your lightsaber off yeah pass his blade and turn it back on but then there's yeah but the guy defeats himself because he put he posts one and he's like yeah this is a cool one I remember which move it was and then the next move under it is the counter how to beat it and it's like yeah well guess what if you just keep inventing stupid things
Starting point is 02:11:59 like like guess what you have telekinetic powers with a with a with a flame that's the joke is you're reading them and as you go further down you're seeing counters to all right well here's the thing well there's a Star Wars explanation was so in the Jedi's don't actually have fast reflexes they see one or two seconds into the future it's the sharing game so you would see them turn it off and then you would turn yours off and no one would fight you would both move it to touch and then they both turn on and convince the other guy that you don't need to fight and then when he turns his back just stab you can't do that you can't do that to force it to people yeah well people with strong wills doesn't matter because Palpatine was controlling that's why you couldn't
Starting point is 02:12:40 do it to Graham off Tarkin because he was all just old man was a badass it's like he knew what he want like man that's the best part of that movie where Vader's this fucking devil creature over there being a monster and off Tarkin's just a dude in a suit and he's like Vader shut up there's like oh god how fucking cool how fucking cool would it be as episode seven comes out and at the end Moses just cuts right through the cross garden goes that thing is pointless why did you decide it that way that was shit what if that happens in the home and play now what happens in the first scene you're right the forest scene is right away I somehow don't think a concept artist designed a slight saver specifically to fail what if what if what if the end like the movie's
Starting point is 02:13:24 going real good and at the end of the movie Moses gets in a fight with three or four of the nights of rent and they just have a 45 minute fist fight inside a blank cube of a room raids a good movie okay okay all right no wouldn't that be much better than whatever I planned I was I was looking for the attack the block reference I didn't get it right right there right actors okay they're the red movie what country is the raiden oh god indonesia indonesia I thought it was Malaysia I keep getting it wrong I think it's Malaysia I keep getting it and I know that there's one guy out there that's telling us that we keep getting it wrong isn't it the city with the super mayor city I don't know that would seem appropriate yeah that wasn't isn't that one in
Starting point is 02:14:12 South America no no those are East Southeast Asia for sure was it the super mayor Davao city not the Philippines yeah maybe raids not in the Philippines no it's not stop stop this is terrible so what I want to be in the Philippines that's your act all I know is that Davao is in the Philippines yeah and the raider is in I'm gonna go with Malaysia wait they're like we're spending so much time Indonesia fuck always get it wrong always what was it indonesia the important thing is that apparently Southeast Asia is filled with badasses yeah that's what I take away from this fine okay so I just give yourself a mnemonic like Indonesia in don't fuck with them because they're bad asses terrible I don't know we got a new fighting game alerts and this is the kind
Starting point is 02:15:07 of game where it's like okay the name has me paying attention to fight a game cerebral yeah there it is so ready for scrub lords of this shit I don't know this is in the word I just don't know it's a being being called a love letter to Marvel vs. Capcom to oh wow the team of people working on it includes the director of Marvel vs. Capcom includes the art director and lead animator from harmonics disney and 30 studios American yeah yeah not Japanese you couldn't tell us we roll yeah but what I'm here from they can talk about engineer from Crytek and vigil uh to mellow the uh what yeah okay to mellow from fucking the chrono giga album and read only memories the cyberpunk adventure okay I've used his music in the car that's quite a weird
Starting point is 02:16:07 pull on this game the engineer from Crytek and vigil sounds funny to me because he's from vigil and then they all went to Crytek when they got bought out but they all left immediately so yes he was at Crytek but only count his vigil experience okay yeah they got to Crytek and they're like how realistic of a plant can you make in our engine okay we're out of here but if you had vigil you at least worked on some type of combat melee based so is there any screens or anything right now we just have some sprites basically um it's crisis man the other people yeah yes yeah I think so like holy shit there's a guy from zillow another guy from crisis man I don't know those companies so is there any sort of fighting games to rework because I I know it's horror slash like kind of
Starting point is 02:16:55 themed the main character seems to be like an evil witch looking girl I like kind of is this 2d it's 2d I saw this and this game looks weird it looks like it's like it there it looks like they're going for another marvel that which is super buff buff angry witch girl yeah this is weird and when he says witch girl he doesn't mean like tiny waifu he means like green huge nose witch oh yeah wicked witch of the west that's super buff yeah it's weird um so here's a sprite lamb that's a fighting game character yeah okay yeah so is there like any sort of crowdfunding for this no no no right now it's just the introduction that this is being made and we don't know and they will ask for crowdfunding there'll be more details in the future but just put it on your
Starting point is 02:17:36 alert okay cerebral might be a thing um I like to mellow so I support I also like to I like I support that I kind of triggered an album it's amazing yeah you never see giga play counter kind of trigger uh you got sony announcing that they're not making any first party vita games anymore ouch it's it's it's it's funny that like everyone's reporting on this because it's like this was known like e3 2014 they said this exact thing so why did it hit the news cycle because it's just straight out negative vita articles get clicks I guess I don't think they do it actually really bothers me because it's like we got this reported in 2014 and we got it reported now and at tgs you see like 60 games shown off for the vita and nobody talks about any of it
Starting point is 02:18:21 well because they're all japanese games you but still it's still frustrating so I mean now it's like first party american no no besides well to a lot there hasn't been any first party games since e3 2014 where they first it's it's a pretty simple situation where to a lot of people that don't care about those niche japanese games the the the repeated like what no we're not making first party games means that like well there's never gonna be another game yeah people associate no of course that first party stuff is getting ported up to ps4 right now basically I think that's all been done well it's all it's all like they're all past that already yeah exactly like like they're still putting money into stuff like third party production and I know those guys are
Starting point is 02:19:01 working on vita games and like there are still aspects of sony where they're still putting millions of dollars doing this but like you're just gonna have that weird life that some systems have where it's like it's off the market and it's dead and look after like it'll stop being sold on shelves and games will still come out for it for three more years yeah definitely like it's going to be well like a like a dreamcast scenario mm-hmm yeah it's just a bummer because like next year is going to be its best year for games and like everyone's like oh it's already close death and it's like no my best year my best moments in life happened after I died yeah well rumors of its death are greatly exaggerated so Matt sent me a link to a trailer and I watched it and then I just replied
Starting point is 02:19:45 what is this afrosamurai bullshit it looks really cool oh I know what this is furry fury fury how do you pronounce that f u r i fury fury so this thing looks like afrosamurai guess why because the art director is the fucking same guy that he was saying afrosamurai and tron mixed with um like like kind of killer seven me kind of ground not killer seven but um shut up killer's dead killer's dead looking kind of visuals uh yeah I don't know what to make of this but it looks kind of cool cool looking we'll have to see where the gameplay goes but it might at it's got some shmup stuff yeah like it might like at worst be like a kind of yaiba type of like just nothing or it might be an actual one at worst because it's a guy with a sword running around
Starting point is 02:20:34 slashing it so that can go any way these days true yeah but that's why we're even reporting on it because it's a game about a guy with a sword that's rare which happens rare I don't know we don't count on on games with planes yeah we don't take that rogue squadron and then like a character that looks like you realize like half the pilots have swords on them yeah that's true and you've like they brought back like that teddy character good r2d2 kuma kuma and it's like oh it looks like it's just another version of that so his deal seems to be putting cute like kanye west bear heads on samurai I'm mad that I'm not trapping you more to play revenge of kuma with me I talked about it you should it's fallen on the way man you told me where the trap was before I stepped I know
Starting point is 02:21:20 you said watch out for those twigs and then I said okay thanks and I stepped over I'm actively disappointed that you're not playing revenge of kuma together we'll do it we'll do it you can't warn me about the trap I'll try to be nice now you got me thinking about star wars shit again what are we going to get a star wars game that has a slug thrower in it shut up there might be an update to persona for arena ultimax there there already was but we in the arcade yeah and so it looks like that's what we're waiting for we're waiting for that but but it's it looks like they they might be updating that too yeah so like well that you know that's why we've been waiting for it on exactly we know there's a new version coming we're gonna show away for the cabinet yeah yeah
Starting point is 02:22:01 well no I think we'll look at it sooner that's why you know when when you when you can tell us that blaze moves not gonna have another update then we'll do that one too yeah yeah they fucking had the audacity to come out and say chrono fantasma was the final version then they made seven others they did that with guilty gear too accent core dash or whatever was like this is the last version for real no for real though and snake eaters the final metal gear like the fucking no but yeah just don't say it don't say it when it's a lie from second one yeah you never know I prefer the ambiguous answer of maybe you know maybe well I went back to read up on the galawide incident and just and how'd that go oh ghost babel is so good with blaze now go look at the cell phone game
Starting point is 02:22:49 yeah there's one because you'll be you'll be impressed with blaze blue in philanthropy before mgs2 fuck you what's it called it your solid the cell phone yeah it's there somewhere it takes place in philanthropy yeah damn okay uh we got we got um lots of dark souls three footage uh popping up yeah looks like dark souls looks like dark souls can't look good let's what can you say um there's also really soured my I'm disappointed they didn't talk more about that dark souls three footage my crazy moment that just got made it looks good yeah I know but this is like almost every time we mentioned dark souls style you for a disappointment we didn't talk more about our souls too is a fantastic game but I feel mad at it because it's not ds1 it no that it like if
Starting point is 02:23:35 if ds2 didn't happen then when this news would come out I would be devouring this shit frame by frame yeah and checking vaudey and enb and spies channels every single day to see hear their thoughts on this the look of this weapon but now I played it at 93 packs I was like yeah that game's pretty good I'll wait for it to come out I think I think the dark souls like kind of fan base and the from and from software in a weird place where it is a good year it doesn't matter no it doesn't even matter anymore because even if it is a good year they're the it's always the peak will always have something to hate on about it yeah there'll always be a really like a good set of reasons for that like do people are going to be shitting on whatever the latest
Starting point is 02:24:19 you do the opposite of assassin's creed where they start putting tons of cut scenes and you learn the truth that's probably gonna happen the true nature of like the flame is actually one of the one of the big things in dark souls 3 and a guy just takes off a helmet 20 minutes ago that was a crazy video game that could be a real thing so you start playing dark souls 3 and it asks you a question did you like i like demon souls i like dark souls i like bloodborne the souls give me a weird place because there aren't that there aren't that many games king's deal king's deal but we're already at that point in a series in which every single game that comes out someone's going to come up and say what it wasn't as good as dark souls one no and then that person is going to turn around and
Starting point is 02:25:07 someone's going to look at him is like what are you talking about it's all way better dark souls one and then those two will fight forever because that's the thing is now i'm in a place where i like demons better but i prefer to play bloodborne than any of yeah it's a weird like it feels so weird to me as the as the outsider that's just because i all i can see is all four of these games have tons of people talking shit about them yes and the two that are all wrong the games are all amazing so they're i'm assuming and they're the worst one and i'm assuming that the other two are also great yeah but the worst thing about is talking mad shit about them it's my this is my thing the worst thing about it is like a lot of people like you know demons is still my favorite
Starting point is 02:25:51 but like going back to them is hard to go back even dark one is harder to go dark one has some stuff like like the games age really really poorly you know what this reminds me of this going back you're gonna have a worse experience this this reminds me of shin megami tensei fans and and talking about smt one smt two nocturne and four nocturne is probably the worst one it's my favorite because i played it and i was able to play it and beat it because i had all the convenience stuff and it was a little easier there are people that swear by nocturne like crazy what about dds there are people that swear by that as well and and there are people that's like this one this one this one this one like all the old games the past 20 years those are the best ones
Starting point is 02:26:37 you can't go back and play them now they're too old the the especially the way atlas improves their mechanics and makes it like more convenient like you can't go back to nocturne you can't go back to randomly choosing skills on your demons there's only one game you got to play because you don't because you don't have to play as fucking teenagers you get to play as cool guys you don't get to play as children plays fucking soldiers you're talking about strange strange journey is the best one strange journey is impossible it's the best one have you beaten it yes wow it's amazing and i want to fucking clap for you and demikids light wasn't bad liam you took the stage and then everyone was like yeah you just kept going i'm clapping for you
Starting point is 02:27:20 because like i gave strange journey a shot and it's so good quickly back in my face before you lose everybody this is the urge to bring up demikids demikids is not okay i want to ask you something and give me a straight answer am i crazy or is strange journey way harder than some of the other one it's really hard you just have to you just have to be attentive and it's it's tough it is tough and there are bits where you're you'll get into a fight because and you'll be like oh my god these guys are going to do 80 percent of my health because i found like s 74 is balanced to be perfect motherfucker go get your neutral and s 74 is easy go get your neutral and i don't want to play it harder no that's fair that's fair i'll say it again it's easy go get your neutral and i'm still
Starting point is 02:28:03 going i'm still salt that the game stole my neutral ending away from me it'd be like it'd be like if a new game came out and you had an item that you could use and they give you like a buff until you die and what it does it it revives you on the spot with full health like that's the difficulty gap between like smt4 and the other ones i don't know i'm saying syndicate's fine but man it all comes down to ac1 no-hud i i think that's the only ac to game worth playing i threw myself a strange journey for a full evening and got literally nowhere i was so frustrated it's it's tough so i thought that we were at the bottom of the pt depression like oh no david cage scale ah but you found the second chamber but now i realize that no head mass now we're not yet at the level of
Starting point is 02:28:51 wrecked where you're putting your hands on your heads like david cage is like odds um you were also supposed to win things by playing you know uh jingy ito was the fucking was quite a stinger but uh now we just we have uh gearmo coming out and going yeah man uh apparently some of the stuff they came up with is starting to resent you del Toro a little bit here i'll quote i'll quote him we had a great experience in the great and great sessions with hundreds upon hundreds of designs some of the stuff we were designing for silent hills i've seen in games that came afterwards like last of us which makes me think we were not wrong we're going in the right direction the thing with kojima and silent hills is that i thought we'd really do a really remarkable game and go for the
Starting point is 02:29:33 jugular we're hoping to create some sort of panic with the devices we were used talking about and it's a shame it's not happening when you ask how things operate it makes no fucking sense at all that this game is not happening it makes no fucking sense at all now the story is kind of old but we didn't really get to talk about last time hey hey hey billy i know you've always really wanted a puppy and we had the best puppy ever the cutest puppy ever but he did he did back flips on command he'd he'd bring he'd steal toys for you from the store he did your homework just statistically seeking he was so well right it was so soft that every time you pet him you would cry he's dead now billy we broke his neck and put him in the bag and tossed him in the river
Starting point is 02:30:17 but then we told you stories about him for weeks afterwards months it's almost a year now and every once in a while we go fetch some bones and just show them to you over a year we just hold we hold the bag out and just point at it and remind you that of the bag the only real one that dog's name was konami the only reason i think that deltor keeps doing this is because he wants someone's mind to be changed but it won't be the people are something the people whose minds he needs to change don't read what he's saying yeah he can't speak the language he's saying it in yeah like i know like the line that he said where it doesn't make sense like you know obviously we'll never know 100% but you can extrapolate that pretty well too yeah they were really just done making console
Starting point is 02:31:06 games period because if if he would go far enough to say it just doesn't make sense then they must have really just been like yeah no more console games well that fo that fob stuff in the insurance thing really feels like yeah we don't really care about the long-term damage we might do to this brand just just get the money now just we're never gonna come back to these people so it doesn't matter i guess the better way he could understand that is imagine he was making a movie and then the company goes yeah we're gonna stop making movies for now and just make refrigerators and he'd be like what where's all my money to make the rest of my movie in this refrigerator you can make a refrigerator if you want but you can use these three kinds of cool yeah extra special
Starting point is 02:31:47 shout out to the photos of the kojima leaving party followed up by konami announced that kojima still works for konami no he's not left we don't know where these baseless rumors are coming from he's going on an extended vacation and having fucking wolf of wall street parties this is the most blatant live ever seen in the industry ever he's going up to live at the uncle your uncle's place what about those mountains over there that you can climb like what about that line no there's photo evidence of the man that is going away party i know this is literally i forget maybe it was plague that even made this joke to me but like somebody said it's like your father's going out for cigarettes yeah sure sure yeah he's coming back right he's totally coming back yeah and no your dog went
Starting point is 02:32:35 up to live what you're all good for in the world of press releases and your and your and your and your and your wife and your mom is just crying in the kitchen a year later you're like a kojima's coming back right like that totally totally he's just out there works here so works here in a world of twitter and press releases there's no such thing as an absolute lie like you're like eventually someone's gonna say something where it's like no i don't work there three or four days after like an article came out like extenuating like this is when his non-compete clause runs out and like is it really that cynical that they're they believe that japanese companies will fall for this and not try and scoop him up asap like aren't there photos of
Starting point is 02:33:22 him hanging out with sony dudes they're allowed to talk they're allowed to even start working on stuff just he can't do anything publicly can't get paid also nothing yeah exactly i just i love every bit of those things following each other yeah no there's a photo of him with mark sony like so it's like it's crazy hey guys pull the lover pull the lover pull the lover um we've got the uh oh yeah the first we you emulator now exists yeah last week yeah it's crazy it's cool that's crazy you could play uh any s remix at five frames which sounds terrible but that's amazing yeah it's amazing because it lets you be the level super easy yeah it's well it's a current gen emulator like that's already like well you gotta get some usage out of it yeah
Starting point is 02:34:10 depending on your definition of current gen emulator it's no gva emulator but it's in there i mean correct me if i'm wrong but they're still working on ps3 aren't they yeah that's never gonna happen yeah okay yeah but i mean like the we was was hack was like emulatable day zero gamecube was gba negative days the emulator came out before the gba they knew that they knew that uh you know how to emulate the we right so all they need to know is how to emulate the duct tape yeah how do you emulate three we's at the same time yeah it's really impressive though i like legit i can't wait until that works super good because like i hate how the we use hardware is so limited i can't pick up a second gamepad in the future if my gamepad breaks i'm fucked now call nintendo
Starting point is 02:34:58 how am i gonna play fiddle frame in the future when my u breaks and there's no way to repair it for some absurd fee yeah or not yeah or they'll be like no it's too late i don't i don't advocate piracy but like emulation needs to exist i have a second we use gamepad and i couldn't well did you see that for me to get it did you see that some archivists figure out a way to just get the pkg file for pt out of a playstation yeah that file exists and when a playstation four emulator eventually occurs pt will exist they should put that on a usb stick and give it to the smithsonian yes so they can make sure that no one else needs it there's also a remake project called uh i think it's punity um that's for pc that you can like just just just just do just do the
Starting point is 02:35:47 whole thing do it uh liam tell us about near uh uh near is a really good game came out a few years ago so there's a book that talks they'll do the fishing sorry do you mean the new one uh so we have the it was an it was an interview with uh sorry sorry there was a recent interview wasn't there was there not yeah and they pretty much confirmed that yeah platinum's pretty much doing the whole thing yeah i'm surprised there was ever any doubt that's what i assumed it would be like when platinum's logo showed up at the beginning it was like well yeah platinum's all the heavy lifting you know why though because at least for me it's seeing how their names are attached to so many projects you kind of go do they have that many people yeah they do we never they do they do and i guess so and
Starting point is 02:36:33 they and they because you always seem that it's like it's a little bit of help here and there from a small team but it's like no every time scale bound all of uh did i get that right yes good okay uh right now right now it'd be scale bound star fox and and star fox and and i guess and at the time there was transformers when we were first talking about this and transform so that just sounds like way more on their plate than we're used to because they get so much money like like their games don't sell but everybody wants to give them money for vanity projects that's the other reason why best of many projects like and transformers and probably under time yeah so platinum's making it and um well if if kei-che okabe delivers a soundtrack as good as his soundtracks usually are
Starting point is 02:37:21 which is say they're amazing so he did he did moonlit wilderness and tecan uh he did your soundtrack he um if yoko taro delivers like that's right clean it up clean it up well that's all you needed to say if yoko taro delivers a story and and writing as oh my god here and if platinum delivers really the the quality and polish you expect from them this will be the best game ever made of all time so so what you're saying is that there is a god and he's like near so what you're saying all the people listen to your soundtrack man in your soundtrack so what you're saying is if all the people give their eight out of ten efforts it'll be one of the best games ever yeah exactly
Starting point is 02:38:13 exactly um i fucking can't wait i can't like i'm still kind of like shocked that it even and something's got to go wrong vanity project something's got to go wrong i don't even think so because whatever goes wrong with platinum games oh oh i know i know konami cancels it somehow well like they cancel on them is there a word for b1 vanity oh sorry it's right like for beyond ego because there's ego projects yeah this is an ego project wasteful masturbatory projects every david cage game ever because there's a i feel like there's a moment where someone from that's not what vanity means vanity means you're doing it to look good yeah david cage games don't really make you look good after the fact yeah you know what i mean i thought i feel like eventually
Starting point is 02:38:59 we're gonna get a situation where square annex employees are gonna stand up on stage like so we're doing near two we're doing the remake shut up it's not it's not two by the way yeah okay well we're doing a second year game it's it can't really the ff7 remake now it's just shut up for a little bit yeah just we're doing it it's what you wanted square annex's output is dumb good right now i like they are so it has no place in this podcast but that new patch that they're gonna put out for 14 is like one of the best i heard mmo patches i've ever seen i heard you mentioned it one time it's crazy it makes no logical business business logic sense if that makes any sense that platinum is not making money on their like sales but it's still so high in demand behind the seat
Starting point is 02:39:43 because like under budget and probably on time well because because developers like they get royal to use sure but like at the end of the day it's the publisher who's who's stiffened the actual money you know i mean so they don't actually get hurt like no they're they're contracted revenge they're doing their jobs yeah revengeance came in under budget in like under a year yeah from the start it's magical under budget was that ever confirmed anyone i assume they always come in under budget because because one thing i see a lot of people say about platinum is they're they're cheap and it's like no they probably cost the exact same as everyone else i remember they just consistently deliver a higher quality well like if if you're being paid hourly hourly wages on time or under
Starting point is 02:40:25 time is under budget right no for sure but like i see a lot of people say that but there's never been any i remember in the interview with sorry when you look at revengeance or mighty number and i'm mighty over nine revengeance and wonderful 101 you look at those games you see how they're designed and like you don't feel like as much money as being wasted like a call of duty where a actor was contracted and then there's this huge cutscene that you needed 5 000 people to make for sure i i think that's the only i'm sure but like 20 programmers still cost 20 programs there was an interview with kidney like a kajima where he it felt like they don't have a sign that they got a hotdog man twirling around with a friend it says bargain programmer i don't like
Starting point is 02:41:08 don't know or the the the the the yes the anime i don't remember the specific wording and it may have just me been like seeing things that aren't there yeah but i i remember there being an interview with kajima where he talked about wanting to work with them again or it was implied that they excelled at every aspect of production implying that they all oiled machine that like every demand that the publisher would have they actually exceeded in every way that's right now it includes time and money yeah well yeah a smooth budget is undeniably cheap but like i see people saying like they are inexpensive to hire and it's like i think there's a difference no i think that the only way they'd be inexpensive to hire is because they work way faster than other developers they turn they turn feature
Starting point is 02:41:53 creep into new weapons yeah every time it's like it can we have a new feature yeah but can we make a new weapon out of that instead dude transformers weapons set we're like by the end of the game you get like uh sound waves thing that stuns enemies and you get the grapple and you're like what yeah why are these cool features yeah i got tutorials for it like what the hell went on that i thought tweeted like i thought you lied about the hammer you never ever lied the hammer's too good i never got the grapple hook i didn't get it either i didn't get it just imagine d from always sunny just outside the platinum offices waving around with the airman just look he's doing it airman good time come on in to get your parking platinum prices i know a lot of a lot of on near
Starting point is 02:42:36 like a lot of people are worried that they have to play the first game and stuff i don't think you'll have to play the first game i don't know it is not near to and they've been very clear it's not and i think you would say like god forbid you have to suffer through no no near something well that's what i'm saying because even if you have to drinking guard this is not weird no drinking guard there's some suffering drink don't play drinking guard don't uh but like play near despite like even if you don't that guy wants to bang his sister that's you don't need it but play near what are you and one of the drinking guards that's the whole oh and drinking card i think you're saying in near she's got a flower in her eye and that makes no that different one different one
Starting point is 02:43:13 that makes me a co no i think it's drinking guard too where the guy's like man i really gotta fuck my sister i forgot about drinking guard too and you're like whoa that's on my agenda today i can't wow this is in sword art that's that's an american character in a jenny's city yeah yeah oh because she's so attractive i can't believe she's this cute oh i thought that was the whole point of this journey uh i want to give a shout out to muscle temple a kickstarter for pro wrestling comics oh yeah it's being put together by a whole bunch of cool people and uh if you like the sound of that then you need to jump on it who's working on it uh it's at eight out of 20k that's not what he asked you it's got 14 days to go double not what he asked you and the list of people includes
Starting point is 02:44:01 david smith of metal oculops adventure time and king star king that's a good tyler retchinson from we draw comics and die homer uh we've got a lot of people we've got nathan bowman from mad magazine uh we've got zack gorman from rick and morty and over in the garden wall and costume quests oh shit uh a lot of stuff going on here muscle temple adventures dot com this is a fucking rustling comment from nickalodian san jane craig and frank gibson from be a puppy cat um that's all the shows and then like a whole bunch of other people i didn't list there i'm sorry uh oh jimmy chang i know that guy he's cool secret animal uh and some oh yeah it's just wrestling comics and it's all like different art styles and like go look at the the images they put up
Starting point is 02:44:48 you've got uh fucking rusev as a clock with his arms pointing to the crush crush crush a clock thing and stuff it just looks like a fun little uh graphic novel oh my god look at that bear show pet that bear fight like bear oh that's good oh that's good bear there's a bear wrestling trunk if you want a cool wrestling comment check that out wasn't the art style expected from that bear didn't expect pencils it's the new day showing up like uh wb cartoon oh that's cool so yeah looks fun uh muscle temple so only a k of 20 though yeah they got 14 days to go so it's doable it's doable a little gray america what she used to be uh nx dev kits are shipping out and the rumor for free the rumor about the shipped nx dev kits is that the console handheld hybrid is likely cool
Starting point is 02:45:35 but the real question is is it a console handheld hybrid or is it a console mobile hybrid i will i will just kill myself me me and lian heading myself if it's a tablet really i don't like i will live stream we will watch we will watch that press conference we can put that on the channel yeah exactly here's a live from liam's rooftop he's gonna strike his murder he's gonna strangle himself with the with a bunch of we remote straps yeah no uh uh real talk i was talking with pat the other we had a really long conversation about this if so you know this is heavily speculation territory there's no fact to this you know the kits came out that's fact uh and and there's some sort of two people messing around with the console and then there are two pieces of this device there are
Starting point is 02:46:23 some people who have pointed out that it's possible that the handheld bit is a touch device purely with no buttons like you know i have thoughts or something i would be so so unhappy we're not there's not going to be another vita there's not going to be a follow-up to the vita the vita is still going to be alive until 2018 or 19 yeah there's not going to be another vita until we invent um touch screens that can give you like a push-up like tactile feedback that's actually even then and even then they're shaped like a rectangle so well that that tech has been invented it's not where you want it to be oh really the nintendo doesn't pay and they don't get a good argument and a rectangle is shitty here yeah um like real talk that'll be the only handheld on the
Starting point is 02:47:05 market and so handhelds are dead if that's a handheld that you didn't want to buy but you got it like your new console yeah if if they have the audacity to ship one without like without buttons let alone without two sticks without buttons you're gonna get you're gonna get your 360p tablet and you're gonna like it and it's gonna be resistive yeah but bad resistive because they won't pay for good resistive because nintendo they won't pay for capacitive and they won't even spring for good like i've never felt this concern because i love nintendo i genuinely like i love nintendo and i love handhelds but there's always been a second option so even though i'm not a huge fan of the 3ds like do i do i want a more comfortable console that now that there's not gonna be a vita 2 this
Starting point is 02:47:52 better like this is the only option now they're asking themselves do we want to potentially bleed money in this for another generation or like is it is the risk of because like putting a second product out because i'd be sad if it was a tablet it was just an old touch device even if i had the most haptic septic whatever the fuck you're gonna say in a bunch of dumb words i care about i still you still don't want to play it i still i don't want to play 2d mario i i feel like i'll be really stupid if they don't and all their investors are pressuring them and i really hope that i feel like i should point out how correct matt is as we've all had a recent experience with haptic feedback that was unsatisfactory yeah to say the one thing so i gave that controller to lima
Starting point is 02:48:36 i don't wear it is you don't want it back no i mean i gave it to you and then i'm back i was gonna say yeah but you brought it to people so that they could see it right yeah it's in my place come on so the future of opens up his controller freak show come see the freak yeah i know that we're not like yeah that fucking ps0 gamecube controller right yeah i'm not that one so i know that we're not anywhere near a future where you put your hand on the virtual d-pad and you feel a real d-pad yeah but if we're anywhere near the level you can feel a couple of bumps i'm ready for that i don't seem that acceptable it is very expensive i still don't seem that acceptable because then you've got buttons on top of the game screen yeah yeah yeah so here's what i and then and then you have to cut
Starting point is 02:49:20 it down in size yeah and at that point why didn't you just have fucking butt here's ears like i all right i refuse now that's hardline stance lim that's a doom and gloom snare animal almost all out you particularly but everyone's gonna be sad i don't think that's likely i don't think it's likely either because they want to keep monster hunter so let's put now's the last time before we have any technical details whatsoever yeah that we can have totally raw guesses what's the resolution of the screen leon 480 minimum okay well a's gotta be 480 they're not gonna do another fucking 360 screen dude no they definitely not 360 it was it was 240 uh 240 jesus christ but i i i'm gonna excel just makes
Starting point is 02:50:09 me think it's bigger for some reason but i'm gonna say 720 all right he says 720 you guys say 480 i say 480 plus yeah 480 plus i'm gonna say between 400 and 480 i 480 would be too obvious and normal it's going to be some busted ass 421 resolution that's what i think all right buttons yes or no uh yes i think i think we're gonna get like uh uh the the vita layout so okay two sticks there you can't commit to fucking fart smarts fart fart phones exactly sorry what was that even close to being i was gonna say you can't commit to a smartphone layout but you guys can't commit to a fart phone layout yeah you gotta get your buttons in there yeah yeah that's what i'm saying maybe they'll be detachable like the only yeah maybe possibly um i'd say buns but it's gonna be weird
Starting point is 02:51:06 okay i'm gonna i'm gonna say it'll be almost a full controller layout with one very significant like missing piece like a second analog stick the second analog stick is on the first analog which which you will go how it's double how did they miss it because i what i what i'm imagining is 64 i'm imagining that we you again except you have a portable version of the game and it's smaller i i thought about it before that's exactly what i'm expecting and like one of the things that i'm thinking they might take a swing at and this is a complete guess because there's nothing going towards this is that the handheld device will be a like like i'm holding my iphone up like a phone that has just a thing that you snap it into with all the buttons and it's got you know
Starting point is 02:51:51 nintendo build quality so it ultimately doesn't matter it has a touch state a pure touch state and it also has a controller yeah exactly and that would be a future i'd be i'd be totally okay with because as long as that dedicated setup is perfect it's fine i have a couple more questions for for the of course your proof yeah how many screens does this thing have one one name says one that says one yeah yeah i also say one but you can use them and i'll say we're done we're done with one but you can use them in tandem for certain games yeah certainly like like but let's be real like the gimmick ran its course we saw some cool uses of it but not as many as we expected to like flip the genre okay or anything it's it's one screen the ds did it all the 3ds ruined it by
Starting point is 02:52:30 having a 3d screen so don't use the bottom screen anymore here comes the next one does this thing have 3d no no no i actually i i'm on that as well i don't think oh as a techno yeah and the last one doesn't have a touch screen and if so what kind of touch screen like capacity capacity it would have to be passed again they're gonna have absolutely the capacity is good enough now that it's fine with multi touch it used to be with the ds that's why they used resistive but now i know someone out there is willing to do this catalog that there's still please throw it up somewhere on the reddit or whatever there's still backwards compatibility which is of course no nope and no way region locking which is of course yes yeah i know i like what do you mean no backwards compatibility i i'm seeing
Starting point is 02:53:14 no backwards compatibility and region locking why would you say that because i trust them no backwards compatibility for like 3ds games and we u games no i absolutely will have it oh okay that's that's on a one screen device sure how exactly i don't know i'm not trying to be facetious i okay because backwards compatibility like downloadable gba games and stuff sure sure sure but like okay i i i think it has to it has to at least emulate something uh it was yeah like older with the 3ds and we you if you really wanted to in this handheld part of it had a screen you could emulate we u games are you and you could emulate 3ds games badly is virtual console backwards compatibility no just just 3ds and we you okay in this case okay i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna be cynical maybe i need to think more
Starting point is 02:54:00 about it but i just i'm expecting the last two systems had it no backwards compatibility and region locking here i don't think they'll be region locking i i genuinely hope there's no reason why is because a lot of before he passed started saying stuff like i don't know about this we're gonna try to look at this and all we have but then atlas japan did their stuff because they like region then all we have to go on is that the new guy that got a point it said i'm gonna try my best to yeah do whatever so that's if there wasn't that then i'd be like sure things like this is such a maker break console for them it's like such maker i feel like they're gonna they're gonna i think they're gonna put the wall right no it's new uh there's one last question for this that i want
Starting point is 02:54:41 on the table so we all get to we'll see how good our guesses are in the future how powerful is the consoles tech going to be compared to the two current consoles i'm gonna say like the handheld will be like around the level of the vita probably i'm gonna say vita minus 20 you're probably gonna be able to get equivalent if not slightly better visuals because of the low screen resolution yeah but yeah and for the console probably somewhere around xbox one i agree with that level um which is to just say slightly below slightly below ps4 maybe slightly below the xbox but comparable i'm expect to get the price point i feel like i expect like a psp coming out of nintendo man because still haven't gotten there because i i feel like they're because nintendo's always willing
Starting point is 02:55:34 to fucking save money on on on hardware and shit like that and then just work magic with their software is with their software exactly and they always do that and you see the the thing that detect them once like oh that's really pretty okay it's cool it's fine it has to it has to be as good as the xbox one or slightly worse because they need ports i don't i think i think they're they're dying i think we're getting a psp i think we're getting a psp for the handheld for the handheld i think that's for the handheld yeah for the handheld for the console the 3ds resolution aside was more powerful than a psp the console the console is going to approach yeah like the courage end you know it'll be it'll be no expectations for the it'll be 2017 or 2018 and
Starting point is 02:56:17 we'll be like oh maybe this new con no maybe this new handheld maybe as strong as the bsb because guess what guess what if they if they if they fucking uh if they sandbag the handheld people are still gonna just have it as that extra visual ui menu for the game they're playing on the tv so they probably won't care oh you know what i forgot there was one last question please go on let's get some price oh okay so it's all like 400 and let's use american dollars for convenience too optimistic but like yeah 399 199 what do they always what's 199 just a handheld it's usually 250 maybe even without the buttons is it 399 than the magic we have seen that 399 is the magic point that's that's two generations in a row yeah there's two magic points one is 200 bucks
Starting point is 02:57:10 and the other is 400 bucks gamecube is like 250 to 399 buy yourself a hard drive for extra shit yeah no it's gonna come with it no no i mean i mean like optional he needs extra optional more expensive skew with better hard drive okay because i because yeah the nintendo is gonna fix the heart they better i think i think the one skew solution has like kind of hurt them over the years and they had two for the weekend uh for yeah you're right there's a 616 you're right you're right yeah and the we you suffered as a result of those two skews two skews lower skew at 399 uh yeah i see 399 is one of the prices i think we all agree with that okay somebody tabulate all those guesses and have them ready for us when this thing gets properly announced i want to i want to
Starting point is 02:57:54 be i want to be wrong i want us to all be completely wrong there's i want this thing to cost 700 dollars yeah and it's like an xbox it's like an xbox handheld and it's region locked and and it's backwards compatible with n64 there it is not the game cube cartridges only cartridges so it's cartridge i think it might actually have cartridges it has games and a watch yeah at the same watch it be all digital the cell phone is going to be the primary component and the console will be the add-on i i don't think side talking i don't think they're ready to get rid of retail because nintendo does so well at like in holidays and stuff at retail but um yeah digital is coming okay we got a closer and closer to the digital present okay we got it we got a roll we
Starting point is 02:58:43 got a roll thank you for indulging me guys yeah sure welcome so then that means we're gonna fast forward right past resident evil vr good good um because they capcom is fully the two resident evil guys just said good okay just like uh fuck all y'all japanese guilty gear voters i hate you dizzy one yeah the revelator vote that she's three years old her tits are hanging out of course of course you know what's the greater tragedy of it rigid didn't take and didn't get it no the greater tragedy is that don't don't will not be at evil that's true no i guess so that's the greater tragedy and listened and hates dong dong did you see jams underwear though oh shut up that's the worst uh did you willy no um jams underwear is colored differently per costume of course
Starting point is 02:59:28 but every day of the week it changes uh design disney is the greatest so you want to see stripey ones come back on wednesday what a hero you want to see polka dot ones come back on tuesday it's fanservice to the next level i'm really glad that someone's brave enough to do this i hope that it takes i hope that fails compliance for some reason you know what i mean i hope you're on double passes it and they get extra money from yeah wow you passed so good dude someone was on panty duty checking a checklist to make sure that every day of the clock was right of course um deo's new form in jojo eye of heaven how the fuck did deo get to heaven i really here's the part so here's the part where this only gets awesome if you've read part six
Starting point is 03:00:22 and i can't say anymore but it ties in at events of part six to events of part three so far and it's like what if things went his way and it's fucking cool okay that yeah all right i haven't read part six but i know enough about part six that he just all clicked in my head what if it what if things went his way what if things went his way and then six happened and then in the okay yeah there it is what if the world joined the fantastic four the stand is called the world over heaven and they'd be the fantastic one plus four uh we're gonna skip past the uh the smash four streak tournament guy that got beat is he still the greatest he's the champion of all time or ever i he won 74 tournaments in a row he has to be the greatest it's not that there's no competition
Starting point is 03:01:14 in this shit game no it doesn't matter he's still one the dead or alive extreme three trailer looks pretty impressive skin looks amazing i don't know what else to say just get some good characters exceed we'll release remember just take that just take that as tech demo footage for doa six sure like that's always one of that of course it's the war gods to doa um you we've got a little king story senran kagurai shinobi versus and zenidu next are you just saying a bunch of words in a row yeah i am finally on the platform they were always meant to be and will flourish a little king story i'll play great on pc though yeah i would actually i hope it's the original version not that fucking yeah start your gary's edgy edgelord version it is the we version good the only one
Starting point is 03:02:01 that uh exceed has any i hate that version i try to make it it's a shame because it's a better game it is i prefer the art from the original it's weird that they're doing snowy versus because it's a previous game we've got the uh daredevil season two cocktail trailer oh yeah punisher's the villain yeah and it's and the entire show is about him right like you you if you know the character if you know the character he played a walking dead it's so perfect oh yeah he was also i was shaming it up she is frank you told me about this before you told me about this before but this actor is also in sicario which i mentioned that i that watch yeah and he was like crooked cia agent and also kind of tough but whatever he's a great actor so this is a fucking scumbag this season is gonna be
Starting point is 03:02:45 weird because like we're all rooting for punisher yeah like no one wants no one wants that to win you know what he's got i don't know the actor's name but he's got that thing where you don't see the whites of his eyes you see mostly just dark what the punisher actor yeah john barron ball and it's just like god damn you look evil but here's the thing uh netflix daredevil is like my most liked daredevil because it's so good yeah it's the best one but i uh i want i want i can't wait for are you crying yeah i can't wait for the episode seven or eight where they they one of them incapacitates the other and they get to have their moral argument yeah in which case daredevil's like no you have to be a good person and punisher's response is fuck you i'm gonna shoot everyone
Starting point is 03:03:36 or when they start mixing storylines or mixing comic book references and have daredevil with a gun taped to his head i'm sorry shooting you brian wildly going i'm so sorry that'd be good uh that'd be good we've got the um are you sure you didn't spend your youth crying and reading punisher comics we've got the all caps announcement that legendary and warner brothers pictures announced the cinematic franchise uniting godzilla and other iconic giant monsters i slightly called this i slightly called this where you brought this story up really a few weeks ago and you're like i don't know what's gonna and i was like oh man the godzilla kaiju cinematic universe thinking well that'll never happen and they'll never get out of this legal mumbo jumbo
Starting point is 03:04:24 and no we did and it's the kaiju cinematic universe here's the bullet points kong skull island confirmed for 2017 godzilla 2017 godzilla 2 for 2018 and godzilla versus kong for 2020 like someone someone looked in my brain and said what are you thinking about what you got in there let's make it reality and flesh go watch that movie and then get out of theaters and vote for kanya west what missing 2020 2020 2020 west you're running for president oh oh i'll pay attention america yeah we talked about this off podcast not on but like in case you missed it go watch mike ross and uh taffo kids talking about smash brothers oh it's good it's a good interview uh this came out it came out last week but it's a really really fun time
Starting point is 03:05:11 describes how uh smash players are a bunch of babies how could you forget kanya was going to run for president after that hellish day we spent in an airport it's true where all we watched was was us news and it was the funniest thing ever united states is a crazy place insane if you want to uh tell us about how the ballots will be rigged for kanya send your letter to super best friendcast at gmail.com what was that was the best friendcast at gmail.com these voting machines just won't let me vote for anyone but my twisted dark fantasy it turns all the candidates into their first the first letter of their last name and easy all right wow wrong wrong room wow all right rap music i'm sorry i try black people joke and you're doing rap music that's not of 1998 to 2004
Starting point is 03:06:04 that's when i stopped the game yeah you were in the game for a while man yeah that little juncture oh horribly what's your console theme at the moment console mine's devil may cry for uh for a ps4 it's uh a journey all right on ps4 it's default because i like it the best it's just the default one nice on ps3 it's finland wants to know on ps3 it's corn love which is the best theme by far right it's uh on ps3 it's double dragging neon on ps4 it's godzilla on xbox one it's hasako and my 3ds if you count that is metalgear solid three oh yeah i might make yes i have the pickman one yeah um yeah there you go dmc i just i need that well what's on your ps4 or your xbox one like what's your background on my back on my my xbox one that's what i count as a thing sorry it's on
Starting point is 03:06:55 my xbone it's just uh thunder on my ps4 it's the it's yeah dmc4 theme where it's like you got virtual staring at you you scroll up and you get to see near on don't turn the couch lost those guys they're hanging out look at those guys hang out oh they're never come they never do that uh if you guys okay shoryuko wants to know if you guys could go back uh to an alternate time where a game that you've already played the final version of from the past where you could get a chance to play the beta for it what would it really what's mine seven sons final fight seven but but but but that's not um what that's a cancelled game no but it got to beta it got to beta but i think the question is the question is more just like a game that came out a game that
Starting point is 03:07:40 came out the beta for a game that came out that's my closest metric i guess yeah i see for me it's good like i know it's not even out yet but like lily bergamot i'd want to see what that was before it became i think that's way more wasn't even attempted yeah then it got changed and then concept trailer i'd be curious to see gameplay of what that was before it became let it die i want to see that first no more heroes when it was just called heroes oh yeah that's what that's another one yeah and a different art style uh i i think i'm or the 360 no more i think i that was a good one and like you said that and you tugged at my heartstrings but i think maybe gladiator ad what wait what gladiator oh yeah yeah uh tournament of legends the original gladiator
Starting point is 03:08:27 ad that was dusty and sepia tone and that's fucking gory and shit that's a good one man that i like that one a lot because that definitely was one game that existed at some point yeah it probably wouldn't have been as memorable because nope me and woolly couldn't go tournament of legends no that came out to perfect like it probably wouldn't have been a good thing to play at all matt you had woolly answer for you so you should answer for me i'd um resident evil 1.5 there it is man yeah that's a piece of cake it's and that's the most complete of all of the ones we've talked about so i'd love to try the hook man demo would you prefer that oh hook man demo yeah well that's very limited would you prefer that to the um this scrapped re3 that wasn't devil may cry the
Starting point is 03:09:10 other re4 re4 that yeah the other re4 that turned into devil may prototype he means hook man hook man okay uh but yeah i don't know there was hook man there was the devil may cry one which like i think that's do you look at those games hard enough like oh you can see it well you can really see it no so like the devil may cries pretty close to that prototype it feels that's my guess but yeah already 1.5 like the whole game is completely different and almost done it like 90% done yeah that's crazy uh it wasn't good apparently right the macame and camea didn't like it okay we don't know if it wasn't any good okay all all you know is that both of them and the whole team apparently was behind them to like nah let's fuck it and scrap it okay and capcom let them get away
Starting point is 03:09:59 with it so they must have felt that was the right decision it's still an interesting one to play seems it got so far for sure yeah maybe i'll get to yeah depending how that work goes really really quickly i know it's like not really in the thing but at least we all know i would really love to have played it didn't you know have a finished game but son of the dragon for the wea which was the black and white Dracula based action game made by renegade kid well then project hammer right project hammer no that's okay so we've talked about cancel games in the past well no but that's what i'm saying i wrote this question up because i didn't i didn't want canceled games i was saying betas for things yeah we answered the question we answered it we answered it and then some we got
Starting point is 03:10:39 yeah we got extra credit all right lastly from tyler uh bagels toasted or untoasted a toasted toasted shit except there's one exception yeah what's that i think uh when you get them you know fresh when you get them super fresh and you stand outside a fresh bagel doesn't need to be toasted because it just was it was just made yeah and that's not toasted it's not crispy but it's soft and worn in the right way though but and goo 95 percent of bagels are in a state in which they need to be toasted yeah yeah unless it's unless you got them right out of the oven within 10 minutes yeah give it give it 50 and most people but that's like but that's like saying bananas peeled or unpeeled the seeds you know what i mean like of course you'd always want it right out of the oven
Starting point is 03:11:19 i love this i love these banana seeds they're the shit yeah oh you waited too long it became a banana when you when it's not fresh though yeah i toast toasted toasted for sure you want it hot however it's supposed to be yeah except for steamed i'm not big on hot food steamed bagels steamed bagels that's probably not a good fun cheer for food yeah just throw a hot dog in the middle of it while you're steaming that's not that bad perfect that sounds delicious poor fred that his dad would boil fruit what and it's just like what the flight i don't know to get rid of the impurity spoiled fruit does it kill the bugs i don't know why i just never heard of that i think it's like a health thing no it's not he thought it was a health thing
Starting point is 03:12:03 and he would eat huge you see boy i'm sorry but i saw this i saw this story today i saw the story today on the facebook whatever story things it just says there's this brand of vegetarian like no meat products that has a ton of meat in it that has a ton of meat and traces of human meat what what get the fuck vegetarians shit you've been eating people you've been eating your people and me and people get right this obviously bears mentioning like don't even look at what's in army yeah no for sure but i don't see those stories the dolphin makes it there's a four percent acceptable amount of rat tails in your food or yeah raccoon legs yeah bill's character don't worry about it vegetarians would have it coming for years what's coming up uh channel
Starting point is 03:12:56 we got a special special halloween themed fisticuffs coming up for you what persona for a read it's crazy and persona for that it was halloween at some point it's scary in there they dressed up that's very scary where's her costume oh she's show show is a little halloween kid that's crazy it's got this we're not doing ultimate well he's just kidding we're actually dressing up in costumes to play place yeah there will be no camera so you won't see us yeah but we'll feel it in spirit feel the ruffles of the costumes uh i guess everything continues uh shit storm will end this week i think finishes this week dagans is gonna wrap up this week 24 is the last episode under tails taking a break for a minute yeah because uh well life is
Starting point is 03:13:44 strange is not this week but it's uh it's the it's like saturday or monday it's it's late it's on its way exactly sunday i'm by the by the end of the by the next podcast the shit storm will be over and a new thing that is tertiary related to the storm will start it you can never start an lp out of the shit storm we've done that multiple times oh well bog islands the shit our schedule is pretty jacked so i don't know when it'll come but i hope that uh well matt and i robbed the bank recently yeah i watched it proceeds i saw need to be some dumb shit uh i guess that's it then so tomorrow tuesday is uh paris games week uh sony's conference so we had microsoft at games com previously this is the same like tier of press yeah watch it if you want cool press conference
Starting point is 03:14:36 okay yeah that makes sense there's always fun to watch matt you're looking at it for anything this week i have nothing coming this weekend okay there's nothing happening no no no no that's cool did something happening for you personally i'm your personal life yes we have the um like that's cool sports spinoff river city ransom game i forget what that one's called sports yes that was on the docket nice fucking skipped it that is sorry the ps3 version of river city river city super sports challenge all star special by arc system works yes is getting localized and coming out this week on ps3 sport sports looks cool if it's river city looks really like sports in river city would like kunio kunio sports yeah exactly cool it's good um that comes out this week wwe2k16 no there is
Starting point is 03:15:20 then therefore there's nothing worth anything coming out that's what i thought there was there was something i'm looking forward to just going through hours and hours of people's beta footage to just you're gonna do it it's all there it's all out of date there's nothing else there's nothing else all that tech is worthless shoutouts to yeah darksiders to definitive edition which is coming out oh that's that's the thing that's the thing that's coming out today i think it's friday actually no shut up the 27th like unless they moved it back everything's coming out on friday either way it's coming out this week it's by gunfire games who are a lot of the original guys uh at relic not relic sorry at vigil who uh who made the game those guys are great because they've done a lot of
Starting point is 03:16:04 really cool stuff to improve this that there's rebalances and bug fixes and things and it looks a bit better like they actually they redid the lighting higher resolution texture because they have all the old stuff because they're the same guys okay that's what i was it doesn't often happen that the original team gets to do the hd like remix version that's what i was looking forward to because i have nothing else going on nothing else going on nothing going on this week are you gonna be playing tits s c hit trails in the sky uh no like which had its miracle release date i don't i i got like a couple hours on that first one and it's just not for me and that's it bums me out uh november 7th we're going to be at geekfest which is a montreal convention
Starting point is 03:16:55 that's happening somewhere in montreal should be on november 7th yeah uh max obviously not going to be around for that so i'm going to the moon of the honeys well that's it sounds like a very sexy place that sounds like a that sounds like a hot ass place i have my fingers crossed it will be yeah no you're just going to the movie moon that's where you're going that's after nothing happens that's dope that's a good one too i don't even mind that so yeah uh we'll be there uh we'll be doing a thing and uh you can find us men say hello yeah oh uh i guess because people are gonna ask people always ask every time even though i mentioned it before yes we are gonna do a let's watch a paris games week yeah so because i know people are gonna ask that yeah
Starting point is 03:17:42 yeah we're gonna do it all right sounds good yeah it's good that's a podcast all right i gotta set my uh video camera cool all right well team break right so nothing happening no because we don't want to touch it to his hands because it's weird nothing's gonna happen oh and fucking no no just i'm looking forward to more reveals of indivisible characters because they're all really cool so far common writer please thank you very much please go donate to indivisible so so so
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