Castle Super Beast - SBFC 147: The Unluckiest Game in the History of Games

Episode Date: May 31, 2016

We're back from Momocon, and we got lots to cover! Also, Platinum TMNT is out, cringey commercials are in, and someone loses control of their life to Overwatch crates....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This episode is brought to you by Lootcrate, the monthly subscription box that's mailed straight to your door with lots of the good stuff that you like because you listen to this podcast. You have until the 19th at 9 p.m. Pacific to subscribe and get in on this month's crate, so head on down to lootcrate.com slash super and enter promo code super to save three bucks on your new subscription today. Any of you guys familiar with billiards pool or snooker? I am somewhat familiar and that every time I wanted to play pool with my dad
Starting point is 00:00:47 he'd be like okay let's play pool and then he would kick my fucking shit and take your money come out of it losing money every time you wouldn't believe and then I'd be like you're lucky I didn't play you for money and like oh I don't because next week you better bone up on your billiards because it's going to be your dad's like easy money right like like were you were you sucking on your little like sus as your dad's like break out Lucille Jeffrey no and he's got all mangled fingers and shit now to industrial accidents and he still kicks my ass I think we all have a little familiarity with snooker why do you
Starting point is 00:01:21 bring it up well that would be because if you've ever had the pleasure of witnessing a perfect game of snooker that's called a maximum break a break every ball is sunk into the correct on the on the pitch and then the sea subsequent balls are all in in perfect sequence right this maximum break gives you 147 points and is that's crazy as a 1 4 see now you're coming up with good facts that's a really good one this that's what I want to hear on shit also that's a good one if you pretend to say it in Japanese like a cabin writer it sounds maximum break yeah that's great that's that's probably one of the most
Starting point is 00:02:05 interesting thing about pool I've ever heard or snooker for that man yeah I think the most interesting thing about pools how drunk those British guys get during their trick shot competitions yeah and there's always always who die in the world tour yeah I always get disappointed whenever I see this one ps2 game when we go to like you know whatever mom and pop places or cons and it's just Detroit Street hustler and I was like oh my god this is going to be it's really just it's just pull like hustle Kings on PSN that's another one it's not I never realized until we used to have a place called the the center
Starting point is 00:02:39 deloiser which is the leisure center back near where I used to live and it was a community center go there play games that's where I first witnessed the birth of my Tetris attack love by getting beasted on and it's where I saw like the cool kids learning the gamble we're doing all their hustle exactly right and once you became an amateur pool hustler you'd step up to the snooker table where like these 16 year olds were and I wouldn't stand a fucking chance and like all meet like me and my friends who'd think like yeah we're good enough to pull we can step up you didn't realize that the main difference is not the size of
Starting point is 00:03:10 the table or the ball or even the cues how you use your stick it's that the corner of the pockets are not tethered are tapered off they're not as a light allow the ball in yeah they're sharp corners yeah which means you'll bounce right the fuck off shy of a perfect shot yeah what do you have like like three millimeters of clearance or some stupid shit not more than that but it's tight yeah not it is stupid that game is hard used to bullseye swamp rats back home this can be so hard yeah you should try spinning the ball that's a good trick there you go yeah oh what are you guys up to okay how many people the entire
Starting point is 00:03:49 week is just overwatch I wish it was I had a video I had a video I had a video failed to upload without noticing because I was playing overwatch the latest Zelda just didn't go up on the website because I was playing overwatch I fixed it this morning that is that is the most honest of all of our fuck ups we have ever made just like I thought because I thought it finished I was and then it didn't I was and overwatch probably killed your upload to yeah isn't it just a pure video game experience it is fun yeah it is it is the simplest like pure like I was I was explaining to my girlfriend like well what's the big deal
Starting point is 00:04:28 it's like well it's a six-on-six multiplayer shooter with like five maps I don't know a bunch of characters she goes like TF2 I'm like yeah but with wife but in this one you get to buy 310 boxes yes that's accurate it will in that conversation that I that I had with the girlfriend like we I then followed it up with okay no wait but look at the hero gallery and then it was like oh yeah the exact same thing happened the exact I'm so glad in the Conan Clueless Gamer where he had Peter Dinklage and Lena Headley from from Game of Thrones that they looked at the hero gallery first yeah just cuz it's a good yeah I'm here to
Starting point is 00:05:04 show exactly get hype over characters you didn't know existed hands those shows up and she's like it's Jason Momoa and it's like yeah a little bit a little bit and really get that at first okay okay game is so good so so so god damn good how how good how much of your life lost good how well what's the what's the box count the box 110 billion dollars spent we could we could look at my still didn't go at my house so we could look at my fucking emails on the on the TV and just see like the long like the entire entire page of blizzard updates where it's like hey well thanks for purchasing your watch boxes what I'm the most
Starting point is 00:05:46 interested in finding out right now is does the first email say thanks for purchasing one box and then does it say thanks for purchasing 10 no this is a 50 here's the way the final evil says thanks Moby dick so so most of this damage occurred while I was talking to cranky on discord along with my my raid buddies and the like the whole night we're playing overwatch I'm like man I really want to buy 50 boxes I really just want to say fuck it and just buy 50 boxes and everyone's like Pat don't buy 50 boxes cranky's like listen Pat Pat Pat yes cranky don't buy 50 boxes buy 24 boxes and then you'll be done forever and
Starting point is 00:06:29 I go okay thanks and then I bought 24 boxes and I was like man that was a lot of fun I want to buy 50 and then another guy in my raid group goes I just bought 50 boxes and then I bought 50 boxes and that was a lot of fun but that's not the problem that's not the part where you did it five more the problem isn't that that's like that's fine whatever I had a lot of fun doing it the problem was when I went to bed and the very first thing I thought of the next morning was boxes I want to open 50 wow and at 9 21 a.m. I came over to this couch sat down and opened 200 more boxes so what's your playtime in the
Starting point is 00:07:13 unboxing versus the shooter unboxing total must be like an hour tops do you have like because you start clicking it faster do you have them all or not I have everything that I want okay okay so I bought 50 boxes that's there I straight up I'm like yep let's go and I'll tell you what the seal breaking was the problem for me so here's the funny thing is because here's the things are you doing it with you're using your mouse and keyboard so you just yes I am playing if you play with the controller doesn't have a fucking rumble it rumbles as it opens up goes so the extra layer sprinkle the extra sprinkles right there
Starting point is 00:07:56 for you so did you get what did you do anything particular I got I opened it up and like three in I got my fucking chocking girl Guren like and the red one the black one the right black good the red the right the green like and Reinhardt and I was like I'm that's all I wanted yeah I'm done so you didn't open any of the others no I opened them but I was like who cares here's here's the main thing was I I built up a lot of points over the demo and I got enough to get my green thing and I had extras but I was like I want to go again yeah and I and then I just I was like I'll buy a 50 and I'll get the money to buy it and then
Starting point is 00:08:33 I just got it in the role so I was like well I have nothing else here that I care about so so for me it's like I originally didn't care about almost anything for any of the characters other than like the two or three that I play and then like as you play more games I'm like oh actually I really like to play as Lucio oh I really like to play as Farrah is it is not Lucio I think it's Lucio I don't know anyway anyway no one knows I will really like to play as you really okay I really like to play as Joker at I really like to play as right you know etc etc and then you hit a point where you're like I'm happy with
Starting point is 00:09:05 anything that I fucking get okay and then there's the danger okay and so when you open that many boxes you you get to stare at that animation enough times and you get to see all the bullshit little visual like tricks they're using to fuck with you so gold is the epic one gold is always the expensive skins right for about 10 frames before the box explodes you see all the discs are gold inside the box before they fly out right right and when they do fly up you see the color trail you see the color trails but then they land in inaccurate positions a hundred percent you often think oh my god I get two gold and then oh you lands you get
Starting point is 00:09:45 your result but the simple act of that tease every time every time sprinkle yeah and the dark path is when you you're you you opened up 150 boxes and now you don't even want skins to drop because you already have so many skins now you just want like duplicate icons and poses to drop more money so that you can just buy the May skin so you like oh yeah I mean for me it's a lot simpler because I only really care about Reinhart and Zarya yeah I you will care about more characters over time and the nature of it is and the problem that started is the natural opening of like 24 boxes over the course of the thing you get I got
Starting point is 00:10:28 like a like the the black and the blue sorry the red and white skin for Pharah right the really good one and I go well I never play Pharah but I guess I should try her out try your skin out yeah okay and then I'm like oh I really like Pharah and then I got like the Dick Tracy skin for McCree I'm like oh and it's it's oh it's a dark path whatever I'm sitting on lots of currency now for whenever they add more skins I kind of I feel that even more I think of I forget the last time we talked about it might have been KI when we were talking about the KI skins but it's just like if your thing is you've got the whole game there and
Starting point is 00:11:01 you're just selling cosmetics because that's what you're gonna do and we like those cosmetics yeah I will do it yeah I'm in I have no problem a cosmetic prostitute no problem with that and I am really happy with my Reinhart looking like I feel good I am really happy with all of I would do it again I don't feel bad I don't care I'll fight anyone yeah the game is pretty good I guess to the game when you're not opening boxes is pretty good when you're not opening boxes so who you playing as right now I can I can like Liam's eyes are just like well like I've got nothing to say like I opened up Lucio's hockey outfit and I
Starting point is 00:11:39 was like this is good I like this one's like one of the best the entire day you enjoy do you enjoy support or do you like going yeah cementure is my favorite the teleporters are so useful yeah and I love I love finding all the little narrow like crannies to jam the teleport are the turrets in I can't believe how much damage they do if you get hit by all seven really good dude if you get hit by all seven you're fucking dead you're fucking dead in an instant yeah I like playing as her a lot Mercy's Mercy's way too fun her flight ability is amazing as long as you've got a team who's kind of like aware of that you can get away from
Starting point is 00:12:14 anything yeah somebody always has to be above you have been we're just like in a little far enough yeah she pairs really well like junk rat I find have you guys tried the ridiculous arcade mode at all yeah it's a fucking mess it's like I looked at the rules and I said no you know I have no dude it's so goofball it's Marvel and I'm like this is stupid some characters get super nerfed by the increased damage like Genji becomes worthless well and likewise certain characters sword takes like five hits to kill people so I'm walking with right heart and I'm like I have 4,000 points worth of shield damage what come
Starting point is 00:12:48 the fuck at me bro there aren't even bosses in this game and you found the boss that's there they just didn't know that they're bosses yeah the bashing salt is so real it is it's so real the counters are real too no but I mean like every game every gift every oh yeah and I know they're hilarious it's like it's hilarious it's kind of weird cuz like there's no hero that I have like particular trouble with because you just pick a counter but video of the bastion sitting on the moving platform that's going really fast and he just does that the whole game and just straight up oh you meet your critical
Starting point is 00:13:28 video unbelievable that was great I fucking love you really want to piss people off put Torbjorn sturt bastion and Reinhardt on the payload on the same okay yeah yeah so no you know it's put some metrics turrets on the back but symmetric teleporter under them on the payload oh my god so strong you just have Reinhardt defend the teleporter that's all you do yeah like so it's so part of the part of the adventure this week I mean we're gonna get into stuff in detail but we were walking through momocon matinee and like just on this the topic for that matter and like I got those glowy green shades that I
Starting point is 00:14:10 picked up at the dealer's room that someone made for woolly they're like one point a black man with dreads will want these and I'll wait until he shows up oh there he is he's right there it's right it's like the last blade to swords maker it's like he died putting his soul into these shades yeah and Matt had of course the skull beanie that turns into the mask and like a punisher shirt so we're just walking down across the skybridge and like a girl stops and goes hey and we're like oh hey yeah like let's say hi to the fan he's like are you guys overwatch and we look at each other like yes we are so lazy
Starting point is 00:14:54 overwatch cosplay welcome to the ghetto overwatch by accident yeah now you can say it's by accident but if someone in it like actually means it it could be very strong super turn into that and that's how we opened up yeah that's good good gag still stuff on the overwatch train if I'm not sure if you guys saw but like I wrote a tweet because I was just walking down the hallways and Matt Mercer comes running down the hallway holding a holding his like carry on like he's going to make his flight and I hope he I hope he made it because it was probably at high noon this this this okay Matt Mercer is the
Starting point is 00:15:35 voice of McCree sorry yeah no I got that okay well he thought it was funny Matt Mercer oh what a Takahata thing Takahata was very angry at this pun he was like fuck you fuck you shut up shut up shut up shut up and and I don't think that's a pun that well whatever joke dad joke dad yeah that's a dad joke and then below Matt Mercer was like haha good one and I was like yeah whatever I'm patronizing because I'm not even gonna like your tweet yeah no he liked it oh good he didn't really like it though in his heart no he's a nice guy follow and unfollow yeah yeah that was my my overwatch experience because I didn't
Starting point is 00:16:12 bother to boot up the game because I was too busy torturing myself with TMNT by platinum have you did you play multiplayer at all no it did not if you're gonna go back to that game which I played it I doubt I played it all the way that game gets significantly better even just playing with randoms it is it is seriously a lot better just playing with random okay so just don't even do that switchoff single player maybe play the first and second mission to get the gist of why the single player is not worth your time it's a lot better with randoms it's still probably their worst game so but it is night and day I'll
Starting point is 00:16:50 agree that it's by far I think platinum is weakest game I've I've ever experienced I never played you know infinite space and they barely really made it when I did search for online people on other ps4 version I found no one that's odd okay well I yeah this is in the middle of the afternoon and on launch but when you launch your game on overwatch day maybe not a lot of my people might be playing perhaps yeah my free company is empty right now as it is just like just hanging a sign on the door it's like overwatch time but I don't know it's at the overwatch spray I did the first like two major missions like
Starting point is 00:17:31 the bebop one I did the second one and then I was I putzed around in the in the empty overworld for a little bit more and I was like okay I know I'm gonna do something else so I did and it really sucks because if you guys remember I was bitching and moaning about how bad I wanted this game I wanted the trailers I want to see it now now now and now it's just like this heaping well you got to have the exact same like pre-release reaction to two games one was doom one was this yeah and then you got the completely ass and X ends of the spectrum on both one in one the single players fantastic multiplayer is all
Starting point is 00:18:09 right sure yes if you I it's not for me but I'm sure it's good and then there's doom complete well there's the complete opposite on the Ninja Turtles well I like I like the way you put it when you're like it's like you're looking at this game and then for a second you're like how should I judge this should it be judged as a platinum game or as a Ninja Turtles game because it's like a bar movie game it's like a button masher beat them up and it's a little bit of platinum but it's neither really like I find the problem with Ninja Turtles games every time is their hamstrung because they got to be four player co-op
Starting point is 00:18:42 or else it's got to have some but I'd rather it be single player and be a better game and just it's all that's always what hamstrings the new Ninja Turtles games is they got to be multiplayer one that's different is TMNT on the GBA remember we played that yeah only single player yeah and it's an incredible Ninja Turtle game but people are like but what's weird about that game is that there's all this extra space in the bottom part of the screen where a second turtle I think there's system link I don't remember but like that game was was like one of the best TMNT games yeah I mean if you look at
Starting point is 00:19:15 how Transformers just like you they're a team but you switched off as you got to their chapters that could work for Turtles too no I would have really preferred had they just gone the single player route but it's hard to say whether they were you know so impassioned about doing it multiplayer or whether that was maybe something they had to do or maybe they wanted to try something a little bit different from the usual yeah but I also think like outside of the comfort zone I also think like fans would abjectly refuse a Turtles game that wasn't multiplayer you know and I think that's a bummer
Starting point is 00:19:45 I think maybe that's just me but like all I'm seeing no you're completely right I totally agree I think talked about this a little bit before but out of the shadows the old XBLA PSN game yeah not the new movie not the new movie was it had a big single-player mode that you can play in single-player and then you could have an on one online buddy join you or you have that additional arcade mode that we played where it puts all four Turtles that's a lot of work I admittedly yeah you're making two different games basically making two different games but like Platinum works fast like on yeah maybe the mantra was
Starting point is 00:20:22 not to waste time with that stuff on paper the idea of like controlling a turtle like Dante and d-pad switching styles to switch Turtles and combo crazy go combo crazy sounds like a wacky fun idea but if you don't have enough time you know and I don't know if every damage is every damage I don't know if every boss is a damage sponge yeah they all are even Karai who's just a strong girl like she's not a giant rhino or anything she's a very strong woman but that's all human because that would be awesome if it was just Karai then why not for that boss which more to a Platinum kind of character action style
Starting point is 00:21:03 and not the blood why not mix it up yeah actually be better I'd rather have bullet sponges damage sponges then Platinum boss then yeah the fact that there's no missions where you can play as solo as a turtle like they kind of have to keep the enemy health high because when you have four good players online bosses just wouldn't stand a chance if they had regular health they would like vanish in a fucking instant yeah I mean I think that's the balance I said I don't think it's good I don't like how they're damaged sponges but with four players it's hard sorry my cut but I don't see how they could have
Starting point is 00:21:38 balanced it otherwise for four players without the enemies just vanishing instantly if they had you know regular character action attributes you know that's why putting all your turtles in a one basket into one mode and it completely relies on this balance the entire way through is like that's why like ultimately maybe making two sort of modes or two things like might have been the better choice because if this one thing falls apart like the rest of it kind of falls apart if you're playing in single player you're playing with players yeah very good certainly if they would have like I mean if they would
Starting point is 00:22:11 have went and made like single player missions as well where you get to pick whichever turtle you want that would have been those missions would probably be just fine actually but like they'd also like really contrast with the multiplayer objectives that usually require you to have multiple turtles you know three turtles have to protect the other guy doing something else or like that's most of the mission like Donna just doing his hands for 30 seconds doing something to the bombs yeah so the quick chat that you and I had Liam about this game before like we kind of were talking about the idea of platinum
Starting point is 00:22:42 continuing to make these like these license license properties exactly and Cora and Transformers were better than this game is apparently good you know they're certainly not like on the level of the platinum originals but I think Transformers gets there like up there with anarchy like with that okay yeah that sounds fair but what I'm but what we basically looked at we said what was different here it was that Ninja Turtles was coinciding with a movie release date yeah and it was time to come out with June 8th right I think that and the multi-cora was done at the time that that game came out and optimum the
Starting point is 00:23:22 and the prime wars was happening as a Transformers that was like but that's a year-long Transformers is like constantly beginning and ending yeah so both of those games were licensed properties that had no specific cutoff points to hit unlike unlike Ninja Turtles and that's definitely seems like it had to hit the movie date otherwise so crazy coincidence I still find it so confusing that the other Turtles game was yeah out of the shadows to be released for the first movie yeah the second movie is called out of the shadows let's just snatch that name as a good one you want to call it out of the shadows too because out of
Starting point is 00:23:57 the shadows didn't get it yeah we had in that same conversation we had a little who's on first moment you know of like out of the shadows yeah no out of the shadows anyway I remember that yeah but yeah that's it so it's like if they're if they're gonna continue to work with Activision hopefully they're not getting stuck with things that have to come out on this movie's cutoff date I definitely think like yeah the date combined with the whoever it was who really wanted to do the multiplayer I think that was the problem because I really think you could strip this game of its multiplayer and and sort of redesign the levels a little
Starting point is 00:24:27 bit wasn't Platinum's idea you'd be fine to charge $60 for a game that you can beat in two hours I mean yeah sure like that I'm just saying that you know actually it's funny because we we saw those people saying two hours but I can test that you can't beat this game in two hours if you're playing on normal you didn't say what difficult no I played through on normal and you're not beating this game in two hours like what would you ballpark it at completion on average like four plus like the same ballpark is Cora and transfer shorter than Transformers that one was a bit longer but same ballpark is Cora not
Starting point is 00:24:57 that it makes a huge difference between two and four but yeah like proportionally it sure does right proportionally yeah Cora was Cora was 20 bucks Transformers was 50 or 40 on last gen and Turtles was 60 or 50 on last gen and now the next movie game will be even worse and will cost a hundred yeah gotta be a licensed people care about fast enough furious that I would play fast and furious GI Joe versus Rambo now that's no I Joe Transformers honestly I would want them to do Transformers again yeah yeah yeah why isn't Prime Wars like ongoing or something it's like phase two and yes a year long of it no
Starting point is 00:25:38 beast machines all Beast Wars would be great that would be a really real quickly aside from Turtles I watched the first episode of Preacher on from AMC I bought the season pass to watch it I'm a big fan so is so is Willie of Preacher the comic book series it's one of the greats that article the article's sorry to cut you know I was just like article you sent me said this is gonna be your favorite new show here's why is that the case it's it's one of the most interesting things because I know that I know that at least the the first couple arcs of comic very well and this completely throws a lot of things out
Starting point is 00:26:13 the window not drastically like not big points but this character will be introduced in this completely different way this character has this added back story but the characters themselves remain true to whatever and and the acting on this thing is phenomenal but this first episode is weird it has a weird pace it has weird editing and has this weird sense of humor because it's made by by Seth Rogen and his partner Evan Goldberg that that made like super bad and everything right preacher itself is weird it's weird but this is like weird or I'm like I is this what am I supposed to laugh because there are some
Starting point is 00:26:52 parts that laugh in the first three seconds there's something so horrifying but so sudden that I laugh went oh okay so as it goes on I started okay way I'm kind of getting into it I kind of see this is getting interesting and it does things in a really really neat way so if you know the comic it's like I think people would like this but there's enough different that you can be like surprised at stuff okay so I'm really interested to watch the rest of it and like the acting like I said was really good the guy that plays Jesse is the dude that plays Howard Stark the old Howard Stark from from like the early
Starting point is 00:27:27 Captain America movies and all that do you think that the fact that people just experienced the purple man is gonna take away from the series a little bit you asked me this a little while ago and my answer is kind of the same where I'm like I think Jesse's the the word of God is way more powerful and cooler than the purple man and wait what what does it do it it lets it makes a person absolutely do whatever but it has no range it is it is well it will happen it doesn't wear off yeah it's not really a spoiler but the basic premise of preacher that you going in is that the power of the guy has is the ability to say a thing and make
Starting point is 00:28:07 it so that's why he's called preacher not not it's not he was a preacher beforehand well it makes I mean it makes sense yes of course I actually didn't know that until recently and when I heard that I was like oh that's the hero it all makes sense yeah yeah it's a really good what is he supposed to fucking fight it's a really good comic so I really enjoyed that what yeah what possible problem I don't know Pat maybe you should have read the preacher comics I gave you three years ago I gave those back to you right yeah you did okay the forces of heaven and hell and everything in between okay yeah I also got four
Starting point is 00:28:45 episodes down of lucha underground I won't go on and on but there's something being kept in the basement in a cage no one knows what it is I bet it's a wrestler it's we it's unclear I don't think so it might be an eldritch thing or am I not I bet that eldritch thing will take the form of a wrestler in that thing in a cage is not the same as the man called cage no the man called cage is completely a bloke named cage a different guy so the man called cage I'm this is still season one season one's quite old now but just let you guys know the man called cage says I have a new move it's called the weapon X and he
Starting point is 00:29:26 didn't get to show it off and he's like next week the weapon X exclusively just hyping up DLC for this show it's so good it's so good and there is a promo for a guy that's returning I'm not gonna say because we want to know but they show the promo and I just marked out at his promo and his promo is against the the promoter Dario okay but the promo has camera shots and special effects who paid for the promo Dario did his own his own much slinging ad it's amazing and like the last kind of thing it is I put some time into a gargoss I think he's really really awesome because I never really liked Aria as a boss because she
Starting point is 00:30:13 was weird and unbalanced and I very difficult to use and dark and gargoss is just do you remember what he's classified as a boss character he has classified as a long range poking character zoning zoning with close range grapples and has air superiority yeah that's great I really love his like dimension punches or whatever they are portal punch yeah they're really cool and like his last yeah this last aura or aura where it gets everyone bounces in between all the different punches and then gets slammed on the ground and then you can do his grapple and then do a million things from it like
Starting point is 00:30:51 he's so versatile and when I was watching the stream where Keats kind of unveiled them I was like okay that's pretty cool and I was kind of turning away and they're like also you can summon guys yeah attack quickly have different AI behaviors the game and put minions in it okay I'm hacking the game yeah I just slams I put the minions in here we go and the minions are so fun just cuz they're so basic and it's kind of a goofy thing there are really nice to I love their design yeah they're really they're like they're like cute they're kind of cute in there yeah they remind me of like Disney demons but
Starting point is 00:31:22 when you use that full strength like they're a problem they're vicious yeah yeah yeah so I had really fun and you know going a little bit whoa okay technical difficulties on this podcast fucking power just went out my apartment we're back though it's fine I called my landlady and she's like oh I don't know about that and she's like oh no he's he's on to it he's on to it turn the power shut off the auto bloke yeah shut off our auto bloke it's fine can't keep siphoning his power yeah no it takes a lot it takes the entire grid to power everyone's auto boy he met as you were saying as I was saying going a bit on
Starting point is 00:31:59 the overwatch talk yeah just settle down and just buy a couple of Gargoyle accessories like and ones I probably could have grinded for but I saw you got your beautiful Hisako finally oh yeah I did I finally got my love congrats that's like the first max level of anything I've ever done so I bought a couple of Gargoyle accessories just to get me started and it that's one of those purchases where I'm like okay no I'm get this one that's it I can't go nuts I can't go further but yeah it's an investment that your girlfriend's phone was under the ass pillow you provided she couldn't find it this morning so I'm
Starting point is 00:32:35 glad you found it in your ass you put it there it was under the ass pillow it's okay I didn't plant any bombs on it you should be fine little baby bombs I could have though it was in a danger zone it could have got real all right there you go the Gargoyle that's what you get for doing a mistake yeah the Gargoyle final color 10 is the sickest shit I haven't seen it yeah it's black and green it's but it's actually the best but it's cool do you know what looks like Liam it looks like that final costume in No More Heroes 2 the black and green like cyberpunk yeah I remember that one the boss of War Gods does it look like a
Starting point is 00:33:22 razor product it does I really don't like razor it does look like a razor product motherfucker you almost ruined it for hardcore gamers like us so yeah there you go um goddamn okay okay well I'm gonna I'm gonna take it you should turn I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about Ninja Turtles again I'm gonna bring it right back because I did play it for I don't know somewhere between like five and six hours I played a bit past the end of the game just to replay like one of the early missions that's actually like the most enjoyable mission the first one because the city's just fun to traverse unlike like the tower
Starting point is 00:33:57 going up and down the building not the buildings the city from street level to rooftop was cool yeah it's enjoyable that the level with Karai is like not nearly as fun where you have to like fly between buildings and stuff it's kind of slow and just plotting as opposed to grinding on rails and wall running and stuff that game so like transformers still even though it was a licensed one it still had like relatively like deep move set right yeah go into it and you could do a lot turtles is way shallower in terms of the move set and all the turtles are relatively the same like in terms of their in terms of their actual
Starting point is 00:34:34 combos the tax they're all pretty much the same except for a few of their ability so you're not gonna believe this one guys I won't you'll never believe what I hate that stupid restaurant fuck super best friends hates it what what patches wants to give out what happened why is there a sudden jump in okay remember when I kind of screamed a little bit because our pet my power went out of my house like do it again about three minutes and 20 seconds into that recording when Liam was talking about turtles again power went out again so that's why the jump is about and that's when we're like well we obviously cannot
Starting point is 00:35:17 record at my house because the goddamn power keeps going out of random so we're five hours and 15 kilometers over yeah and now we're in Willie's place and we're gonna continue the podcast from here for it's like nothing probably 600 it's it's totally seamless totally seamless don't do not pay attention to the podcast behind the curtain totally party if you were here two minutes ago you'll recall that Liam was talking about the Ninja Turtles and how its combat is much shallower than say everything else so transformers and even in Korra like once you got all your all four of your groups of powers you
Starting point is 00:35:57 had quite a depth to what you could do in Ninja Turtles there's there's very little in that in terms of that depth but it's replaced with a huge breadth of stuff at any time you can fire like infinite projectiles you can use all the turtles special move yeah you have all their special moves no like funny inputs required you have like four solid defensive options at all times and your regular combos etc but they're always available to you there's nothing particularly complex about it and I think that it definitely suits a more pickup and play play style and I think for like a multiplayer game it kind of
Starting point is 00:36:34 makes sense to go for a more plain control style but it yeah I heard a huge butt coming when you were saying that but yeah it still doesn't address the problems it's a good it's a good design but it doesn't fix the the the glaring problems which is honestly mainly the bosses as far as I'm concerned it's a weird thing Korra and and transformers or franchises that also should not require a lot of input and like heavy input execution like whatever but they had it and like turtles like yay excuse younger and like but still I found like the parry like the go into your shell yeah parry thing to be harder than
Starting point is 00:37:10 revenge yes to reliably use the parry is not super reliable in this game basically when you hold one of the shoulder buttons you spin in your shell for a brief amount of time and you can hold it until the gauge runs out I one of the only platinum games where you can actually just block outright and if you get hit in that state you just like clash away and nothing happens to you but when you release it if something hits you when you're pulling out of your shell you'll parry and that timing is sounding you can't trust a parry well who can you trust we'll see what you what you can trust about it as as long as you
Starting point is 00:37:46 don't release way too early you'll just block the hit it is generous but it's just awkward but what you should try to do or rely on is it has a another mechanic with a similar input window as which time where if you if you press the guard slash dodge button right before an enemy swings three things in one button yeah it's sick it's actually like really cool but dodge or if you're holding it block if you're and if you release it you get a parry okay so when almost too much complication when compared to just the combos it is it is quite complex but they're all kind of good for their own thing when you do the
Starting point is 00:38:25 dodge thing what happens is you swing 180 degrees behind the enemy like in no more heroes when Travis slides around them and it's that same kind of thing and you can either just go into a combo now that the enemy is facing the other way or right when you do it if you press circle you'll hop on top of their head and start beating at their head and and they'll just like be struggling to get you off so all your buddies can attack no and they get a buff to their attack when you're doing with tight gameplay one defense button could be a cool thing yeah I could see that being interesting yeah and in the context of this game
Starting point is 00:38:55 those things make sense because like you want the block because the hits are like like especially the bosses swing really wide and they tend to hit everyone at once so having a block there is actually really good the guard slash or the guard the dodge slash like climb on on top really works out because it lets you buff every other player and their attacks and it also keeps them safe because they can't attack while you're on top of them and the parry is just a parry if you think you're good are you good enough you probably aren't it's hard to time it it's really hard to time it I always think this is one of those things where
Starting point is 00:39:27 they're trying to satisfy basic Ninja Turtle fans that just want to pick up and play thing also trying to satisfy a bit of Platinum fans usually when you do that you don't quite satisfy either I think I think you can validate it though like pressing the button to get a dodge is fair enough right and then holding the button to get a guard it's fair enough right so why not add an extra command when you release it doesn't take up your time I just mean in general the general gameplay when you land it on every character in boss do they all stagger yeah absolutely every every hit except project I don't know what it does to
Starting point is 00:40:00 projectiles but every hit a little stagger them if you manage to that's not like the the parry being a release is so weird in my head like is it as awkward as it sounds it's it is awkward but again the fortunate thing is that if you do it wrong you just guard that's it like well once you explain it like they have all three functions on the button then I'm thinking about it like startup frames active frames recovery yeah it's like three functions with three it's worth bearing in mind that the the getting out of guard doesn't interrupt you in any way and you could just immediately cancel it into attacks okay like it's not a
Starting point is 00:40:34 it's not like in Revengeance where Raiden will just go like you won't miss anything you know so it's it's kind of actually like pretty innocuous but it does especially in the tutorial where it's like now do the parry you're like this feels really weird to do with no like experience of how the game works but and the mission structure is pretty fun but the bosses and all the sewer levels are just yeah I didn't get to the sewer level but I saw a lot of people say like it's terrible yeah the the little chunk of Manhattan's really enjoyable just little buildings with grinding rails all over the place fun kind of felt like a
Starting point is 00:41:10 Tony Hawk yeah a little bit with the speed you're moving at yeah Karah's skyscrapers at least has its own thing going on even though it's not the most enjoyable but the sewers are nothing there's there's water that goes through and if it's going fast enough it pulls you along but that's not particularly enjoyable and you end up fighting a lot of enemies being pushed against invisible walls alongside them oh that sounds great and like the bet the worst bit about it is the camera holds up fine and it doesn't impede your control so it's actually not an issue but it just feels stupid I didn't do a
Starting point is 00:41:42 problem where my when I was in single player I know this is like a different set of problems is that my AI turtles would sometimes run so far ahead and kill foot soldiers before I got there yeah and sometimes not like the fact that you don't have control over them why couldn't be be where like you command them you can you can command them to specific things like you can get them to stay near you or go all out that's it yeah and there's another one that makes them go all out but not use their skills so they'll save them so you can save them for a boss fight or something like that but that's in the command that it's
Starting point is 00:42:18 in an overly complicated command menu that's like mostly for multiplayer so you can tell people non-verbally where to go what to do remember when the IGN footage came out and I think at that time I was only one had seen it I was like the AI is so messy and so busy with so many things rate like two different radial wheels coming up and again this is the UI yeah it is because if it's for a kid-friendly pick-up-and-play sort of thing that's like the exact opposite of what you'd want you want something a little like even even me that like you know like played Revengeance multiple times I was just like this is this this
Starting point is 00:42:53 makes it look more complicated than it is not did the UI is shit it's really Platinum's never been bad at UI I always find the UI design quite elegant they're basic with it they don't really try to do too much most of the time they keep it functional hey does it work great yeah done this UI is way messy like Matt's totally right on that I completely agree so one thing we were concerned about early on too was the a number of environment sets like how many were there I think like I think like five or six okay which there's nine missions so it's not so bad sewer is the one that you see the most unfortunately and it's
Starting point is 00:43:29 kind of shitty you're telling me that the worst level is the one you see the most often which is three times great so awesome it's not a lot but you do see it the most like the audience to be fair that's probably why it's so shitty is what you see the most to be to be fair when I think of Transformers all I'm thinking of is the city yeah Cybertronian looking architecture and the space portal and like that's it city yeah it's a it's a similar level of like stages like for Transformers it makes well it's weird because like in Korra there's a progression of you know there's a handful of different areas similar looking
Starting point is 00:44:04 environments but they're different yeah and they're actually different going the ice place in the town and the one the spirit world are all completely different from each other but like for example when you think of an old TMNT beat them up you constantly move from like city street to sewers to like on the sea yeah go in a building or like tourism time where you go into like different time periods this game is kind of the same thing but it I don't know because you're in New York it is called Mewinson Manhattan yeah when I look at the lineup of levels and like one of the older Konami ones like it's a pretty
Starting point is 00:44:40 similar kind of thing like in the Konami ones you do a lot of buildings and they're all just kind of buildings but I don't know there's something about this like I don't know they just come off as blanded might just have to do with the game not feeling amazing on the whole and it feels good moment to moment but then the bosses and some of the side missions just put a brick wall in your way and the other thing in general is that like I told I said earlier that the character models and everything has this nice like really good look to him and has this good amount of platinum style but it comes the environments like
Starting point is 00:45:11 everything doesn't look amazing but it still runs the arts solid yeah no bit you know I mean like every like revenge it looks better yeah right but like the fact that it still runs at 30 even on PC is like I all I meant that like yeah it has to you know support the co-op and stuff like that but if you're playing in single-player I don't get it why for that at least mode I don't know I don't like it might be that it was just like some weird unlocked mid-40s that they had it as they said but on PC there's no excuse no exactly I have to force that on PC like they should have done it but even like if I'm not mistaken the
Starting point is 00:45:53 Revengeance port still has like notable flaws it does but like those notable flaws are livable it's no dark souls one yeah right it's like I was reading a guy recently who said he was like falling through world and the Ray stuff going right in that is rare I have not seen any of that and I like looked up like yeah I played a good bit of it on at when I worked at Eidos I played on the PC there the great general gist is like there's a there's a few weird resolution things and it doesn't go at up to like 144 hertz how was Transformers on PC I'm not yeah I didn't touch it I went through PC no problem the only goofy
Starting point is 00:46:37 Revengeance gif I've seen is Jetstream Sam doing a weird hokey walk with his leg sticking oh yeah but I haven't seen any like falling out of world I haven't seen a video I read that on a forum when I think of the last thing I think of is shit like falling through the world that's chasing dead that's strange well I'm wonderful on a one terrible I look at that fucking your game at launch had through and then close that window and I'm never gonna watch this again sounds about I was terrified oh wait hold on a second hold on I think I feel a power outage coming on I was about to say better stick an ad in there to cover the
Starting point is 00:47:12 dead time what do we got over here I don't know I can't read it looks like a box to me a crate but wait is it is it a crate okay that you this changes check this out check this out Shabamzo power oh it's power I can't read it upside down I thought it said tremors I was excited you want to grab a weight everywhere all times there's a series coming well until then we got the power box guys okay so what now we're playing well that's a good start that's a good god damn we've got an infinity gauntlet of an oven mitt yeah okay that's a good start I can attest that the powers of mind reality and so on so forth actually quite work because we use this the other day
Starting point is 00:48:00 there you go at our home we made some tasty treats oh you received one to your door and I made sure that it cannot burn your hand because Thanos would not have it that way no and when you fuck up on your little matte balls you can go reality and just like reset what you've done yeah and I should or you just go back in time time time would work too there's a lot of options really that glove is stupid why would you put soul involved get soul involved with your cooking I don't think that because you soul food soul food that was yes on point literally what's called so obvious I don't recognize that ball that you're more it's a dragon ball you don't recognize team four stars logo oh it's because I can't count so we've got a team four star logo is literally the four
Starting point is 00:48:43 star dragon how much did they pay right look at this look at this talk about how to get in there we've got a t-shirt it's on a shirt what kind of power is involved with this t-shirt warcraft that looks like it can work I turn it around probably know what do you got that is work that is warcraft for sure that is the upcoming film warcraft silhouette based warcraft shirt is that character full of power let me let me see that's probably the guy who dies in warcraft one and thralls that okay they should make a warcraft game for them they should they really should I bet it would be very successful or like a heart stone I don't know some type of it almost yeah right there it's so easy that one's free guys and we've got a qfig of dahulk and and that's great
Starting point is 00:49:34 portion of woolly's heart yeah it's put back into place also notice he's wearing the little avengers shorts that are made to expand on it when everything's he's actually uniform to how's the dong unlike all the other shorts he wears they just tear right off exactly hey hulk we're tired of seeing your dick fall out you're so sure he's like no but hulk liked it and that moment has been replicated in that figure and of course guidebook to power unstoppable unrelenting and unbeatable get power well uh it's too late for power it's way too late this one's gone it's too late for if woolly's holding the crate and we're doing this you really miss the boat on it but if you get if you obtain a lot of power right and then you use that power to create a society that is almost
Starting point is 00:50:23 perfect all along but secretly you've got some creepy shit underneath that what would you call madden town well yep that's pretty close but what would you historically call grenade okay well the roman empire an empire what would what would you dynasty how to rise that some kind of utopia dystopia something's wrong with this hey oh you did it you landed it the theme for next month is dystopia so if you want to see i would bet someone five dollars that a blade runner thing is in that box yeah i could see that we can confirm you're gonna see some robocop you're gonna see some terminator you're gonna see some matrix you're gonna see by robocop at Detroit that's the perfect city well not in the future uh future it's flawed by a shock
Starting point is 00:51:16 the far off future of 2005 and more so like they got some good dystopias in there already for sure yeah and uh we don't know what the rest is gonna be so once again in the original give me two seconds 20 or was it 2010 whatever it is i have the poster and i stare at it all the time but i forget anyway that is the theme for next month so if you want to get in on that you got to head on now to lootcrate.com slash super use that promo code super save three bucks on your new subscription and get in before the 19th and 19th to get your dystopia box okay if you say so overlord of the dystopias well i mean look if there's one thing you got to get going to have a perfect society it's got to be a torture order torture child on a box somewhere they'll come with like like an ant
Starting point is 00:52:07 colony and like those sea monkeys so you can create your own dystopias yeah underwater dystopias they're the best kind what you got pre cons for the time period of robocop i have some very unclear ah i have everything ranging from 88 to 2044 it's five the answers will come in next month's box okay good we covered it it's been 14 years all right and we're resuming the pod i'm dead again yeah so like i don't know it's it's definitely their worst game like i'm not even gonna contest anyone on that because it's not and it's easy to say that because like the the studio is like what nine years old yeah they're low they're low bar is like mad world anarchy reigns in kora and i love those i love those two games but i think i think the asterisk we put on um or get platinum
Starting point is 00:53:08 to develop a thing is with time and money yeah with time and money of course like after you have to like you wouldn't get from software to to make a thing in six months because it could just be a crapshoot like this everyone should always have time and money yeah like like but now we have to specify that i saw people online cheering that like now platinum fans can't just say make platinum make it no like no that's you're wrong that's not gonna stop yeah no way like i'll i'll i'll gladly say that like after this after the third act of vision game like there is blame to put on both sides kind of here in terms of like yeah platinum you're not good enough to do this amount with this amount of time and budget i was gonna say like even besides that like the design is bad
Starting point is 00:53:54 in some way the design the design is bad i really feel i said this before i this feels like a sequel to it the first tmnt game that platinum did not develop that you're already familiar with features like i really feel like just maybe a two player split screen option and like just a single player thing and with really great platinum combat and then move into more of a big co-op thing it seemed like the more natural choice but who knows honestly i really just wish they could patch it to remove the other three turtles on screen to normalize the both help boss health bars and adjust all the missions to not be multiplayer centric if it helps you if this helps allay or deepen your fear uh as as far as i can recall tmnt out of the shadows is on the consoles and
Starting point is 00:54:44 especially on pc no sorry on the pc and 360 but the worst version was the ps3 version i believe they never ever got patched nice because that game had way more bugs yeah were you mentioning that yeah i was able to complete some missions on the 360 and i know for a fact that the ps3 port unfortunately is even worse so active vision does not pay for that stuff any company universally with time and money like you get your good product that is not true silver dollar with time and money that is not you get a good product majesco's never made a good game their god damn life no they've never made a good game but they time and money they published some good ones yeah they published uh double dragon neon but they're square annex never made a good game
Starting point is 00:55:29 game never man zeno gears never happened square annex would make that brash sure time and money sure brash final fantasy 10 though did you ever rewatch that unseen 64 video by liam robertson about brash i remember you telling me about it dude you would love that video because it's just dumb rock star hollywood executives they're on the ground floor you tested some shit i and i got brash had good emails though now it didn't i got to read the emails it was great fair enough um what else played a bit of sly cooper 2 actually that i i just finished the first one last year hd collection from way back yeah exactly and i i've been wanting to go through them because i've actually i don't for some reason i've always wanted to play sly 4 i don't know so i'm just going through them you
Starting point is 00:56:19 can't you need to catch up on the story yeah the first one was really enjoyable really good 3d platformer that i totally wrote off because i was a huge nintendo fanboy i i had a playstation i totally missed it it's like super so yeah and i did the same thing you did i i bought the hd collection and played about halfway through the first one i was like this is really good yeah and then kind of fell off the second one like they change up the structure a bunch and it it you go each chapter is a small open world hub and it's a small hub it's not like a huge fucking italy in like Assassin's Creed 2 or some shit sorry i'm kind of stunned at the idea that there was a time when you ignored sony really that one in i was a huge nintendo fanboy up until last year
Starting point is 00:57:02 up until the vita came out but streets honestly are you for real what's your timeline i'm when i was really random consoles i really ran in times when i was a kid um my cousins across the road had an nes and i went over all the time and i played nes there uh we got a genesis right after that uh at some point i had natari 2600 i think that was just before the genesis uh my grandpa had that and we just we just took it hey grandpa yeah and uh and then i got a gameboy color at some point in there see see it so i was playing a bunch of junk all over the place totally missed n64 and ps1 just gone and then i got and then i got a gamecube when that happened christ yeah i know i rented paper mario a bunch that's why i like it so much you didn't play
Starting point is 00:57:51 like a fucking 90 of the ps1 catalog not when it happened okay cool i've gone back to a lot of it but like fuck i'll i'll really quickly i'll go i had a gamecube when it came out to 2004 and i still had it but then i bought a ps2 for middle gear solid 3 and i was like the playstation 2 is the greatest system of all time i'm drowning in games over here and cannot be beat right and then i hated the xbox and everything i stood for for whatever amount of years because i had a dumb friend i'd always had one was like the xbox is the best i was like shut up the gamecube is the best or the playstation 2 is the best and then like now my favorite consoles ever of all time is the playstation one the xbox one because now i think their catalogs are so interesting that console is
Starting point is 00:58:40 amazing totally true yeah in hindsight there's so many weird underrated classics on that fucking dreamcast of the west um oh but uh and then like yeah no i was a huge nintendo fanboy through the like gba uh we love the gs i was i was in love with nintendo and i bought a ps3 in 2007 because i needed virtual fighter five yes i didn't even i'd never played another virtual fighter but something about virtual fighter five just looked like the best thing at the time you're completely right yeah wasn't the 360 version better did it come out it wasn't considerably later came out like over a year but it had online it had online and it was a newer revision which made everyone had a ps3 copy it didn't get that easy for good reason i got the
Starting point is 00:59:28 ps3 it never got virtual fighter five what i know weird huh i don't understand this i was a kid i could only afford the ps3 i know i rented virtual fighter five four times in a row and i was like yeah okay now uh but like and i got a psp a year after that because i got a good deal in the Darth Vader one but like i was still a real like nintendo warrior and like the 3ds i thought i the 3ds i got one like two weeks early from a friend who worked in a store who just stole it from the store for me because i was like dude i need to get one i need to get wow he didn't actually like crime basic we put a dsi in the 3ds box and he put that back in the lock up no that's a crime but he was i know statute of limitations is off on that you can't talk that down that's a fucking cry so we had a 3ds
Starting point is 01:00:16 i mean i bought it i paid for it you know and it was my dsi in the box and it was reserved for him because he was the manager anyway but um but like i got a 3ds two weeks ahead of time and i was the guy on the forum posting early videos and pictures of like yo look at all these ubisoft games that they're selling at a time shut down game zone street date breaker leon yeah absolutely um and like it really wasn't until the vita came out where i was like wait okay okay wait that i can really see the flaws with the 3ds they're really noticeable this time and then you started to slowly pull your head out of your ass well it was pretty quick right into the other like stuff like orifice his own mouth my own mouth how do you do your head and i don't i'm gonna
Starting point is 01:01:04 this pasture into this slightly more malnourished pasture i thought the psps honey you would have suckled you in no i mean i like the psps there's the screen difference on that when you get that after owning nintendo hand no the psb is terrible just to hold it no but just the screen turning on for that first time and being so shiny yeah is like my my friend oh my god nintendo get my friend did not a psp at launch i borrowed it play out the psb sucks compared to regular ds light just in terms of like its general library and just holding it and the ds light is still not great to hold it i think i think the psp can stand pretty much toe to toe with the ds now like because remember it got continued to exist games for like five years after the ds as well
Starting point is 01:01:53 like summer night five just came out this year for the psp i think i think that the ds lights like everything outside of the screen was way nicer but the screen on the psp can we continue this this topic for a little bit about our rampant fanboyism in our youth yeah because like i remember when i was a kid i had a sega genesis and i was the worst i think you told this to us briefly i was the worst person about that because it was the better it was the better machine sucks because shut up oh there you go like that level they don't have is what dude and then i got a saturn and then i got a playstation one because the saturn died where you crushed my soul did you ever have to preach like vector man to people no vector man sucks x-man 2 is way better but um he's right
Starting point is 01:02:41 i'm super right who's gonna argue that no one because x-man 2 is great um and then i remember i remember the day that i stopped doing that that i stopped being like a huge shitty fanboy and it was the day that i went over to my friend mark's house and he was playing ocarina of time and i was like you're like oh can i borrow your n64 you can play all these final fantasies and we and we swapped and for me it was when i walked over to a guy's house and he had middle gear solid on his playstation and i was like i need to borrow a friend's playstation i think my timeline is a lot simpler in fact there was a short film that came out i tweeted it out uh it was about uh i forgot what it's called but it's about being player 2 and basically it's like
Starting point is 01:03:26 yeah you're talking non-stop about this really i they're never running up once you talked about all over your twitter and over the weekend you're telling people about i was always player green and fuck because someone asked to someone's because that that fan that came up and it was like who what i'm saying is that i've been around you where you've been talking about player one two three and four lately so the whole pretty defensive about how much you're talking about this so the whole thing was like uh we just followed the nintendo timeline and that was pretty much what i did and like until what point and i had an older brother so like it was always multiplayer you know that's kind of how it was or i was watching him play a lot of the time and uh we followed that up and would
Starting point is 01:04:04 argue against like sega people and whatnot but it was i we would never say things like oh this exclusive doesn't matter because it'd be like oh shit i did i don't know what that game's about i never played it yeah i don't know how would you know right but i would yell at people and go like fuck you your stupid version of street fighters garbage go press select to kick ass yeah right um the Aladdin one was always the most intense and one there's always the sparkster one which is still a uh well the main the main problem with that is that most people who own super nintendo like don't know what the genesis people are talking about because they're not as smart so then after that yeah because people that say fuck you mega man x is bad are really smart yeah no i i said that in public
Starting point is 01:04:45 and then like at a later date was like oh no that game's awesome i was just jealous you know and then like but e-swat and we were mario karting it up i don't even know what that is yeah i don't know what that is this is sega arcade port to genesis that came out it's all right was there any you want to talk about jack and the forever man it's kind of like mega man x kind of was anything like similar to mario kart that what do you mean and on the genesis at the time uh there's an ubisoft kart racer called street racer that was on both consoles not that i not that i played not that i played to mario kart okay because like i remember the like one time when i was like i was playing cyborg justice and my all my friends genesis that game is all bad ass oh man i'm now i'm kind of jealous
Starting point is 01:05:28 now i'm jealous you know and that's one of those games that the the shitty sound chip really actually aids the soundtrack because he's so crunchy it's like but then i think i think i'm a multi-player metal warriors to get it out of my system right you know i think the multiplayer game i played the most as a kid was uh was probably combat on the 26 combat the original come you want to talk good matchups with the Atari 26 combat is fucking sick that game still holds up the only time ever got jealous was specifically sonic 2 not sonic 1 the second one whatever yeah sonic yeah no i had a genesis and i was like sonic one whatever no i think the first time like we broke out of just the nintendo line was when the dream cast came well for a lot for a lot of families games was just
Starting point is 01:06:12 get the nintendo nintendo my mom called my mother exactly still calls it a nintendo yeah so it's so ubiquitous exactly and then when um and it wasn't it was in playstations it was when the dream cast came along and we saw the like really like 1999 2000 yeah yeah we saw those because we used to buy madden every year as well so we saw he saw that it was like holy shit madden and then madden and then they're like oh by the way all the capcom arcade games are coming and i was like fuck everything that's the one you want yeah screaming into an e gm because code veronica was going to come out oh yeah all capcom like was pimping the dream like so hard like every single one of these games has been on the playstation and now the new 3d one that i've wanted for years he's got him that's all
Starting point is 01:06:57 fuck and my and like my my secondary dream after mainframe was go work for capcom at the time so i'm like oh my god you'll get there one day buddy yeah don't worry willy soon but uh gotta kill combo fiend you know and then from that it just that that's when i kind of just went into the i will always buy the nintendo console and then as soon as a game comes out that'll make me get the other thing shadow the colossus makes sense yeah done yeah yeah three five or five done uh what was it for i don't even remember what it was never but what did you buy a playstation 3 for a playstation 3 was just for journey i believe it was journey it wasn't mgs4 it was borrowed no i borrowed i borrowed it oh you borrowed you borrowed the real rock the real rock i borrowed it from rocky and then he
Starting point is 01:07:39 looks at me and says man i can't believe i beat it i'm gonna give it back to rocky tomorrow and i look at him and go you have to give it back to him tomorrow when yeah he says like in the evening is like can i just stay here and just beat the whole game and he said uh and i went to bed and pat just stayed up and played through it yeah so that was exactly it no it wasn't mgs4 it was it was journey that got me for me for me i think like the only the point where i started not being such a crazy nintendo like fanboy kind of because i was still really young at the time was it was uh resident evil 5 mgs4 and street fighter 4 where i was like okay because i never had street fighter as a kid uh that didn't exist to me at all wow yeah well because think about it so yeah if i was it
Starting point is 01:08:27 if i didn't know arcades to go if i didn't play street fighter 2 i sure as fuck wasn't playing street fighter 3 right so like that kind of went over my head completely you know like after school there was two things too that helped with uh like me and my friends was like besides the arcade we had the video store that would let you play whatever game for half an hour for two shut up like at the store right yeah at the micro play oh yeah i didn't have a micro plane here man that's good stuff over two so that's when it was like okay go preview everything and that's when i first saw devil may cry even as a kid two bucks is affordable like that's when i used for i first saw my r64 i first saw sonic it was so fucking next oh my god like that will make cries the first
Starting point is 01:09:11 game i ever rented for my playstation 2 that i just bought well like the first may actually paying money job i ever got that's what i used it to buy a playstation 2 and i rented devil may cry that night because i didn't have enough money left over to buy it devil may cry demo came with something i think and was it code Veronica x and i doubt it i don't know but it's just fuck yeah i remember being more of a fanboy for fighting games oh for sure in general and being where i was like tech in fucking sucks virtual fighter for life wait i can't wait what you said that yeah you i hated tech in up until tech in three yeah then i played tech in three in an arcade it was like virtual fighter sucks that what you did at the time that was a total inverse of their
Starting point is 01:09:58 quality at that point yeah yeah so because because virtual fighter three just come out and then four came out for both and inverted it again yeah like i i don't really love it but i love soul i hated street fighter alpha for whatever reason i was like whatever killer instant ultimate mortal combat three primal rage get out of here superior american day i hate you and all the bands you like your time is over but then i played street fighter alpha two and i was like whoa get out of your mortal god but it didn't matter i remember because this is the one of the things we bonded over matt was the fact that whole owning an n64 man we got nothing you none of those for fighting game you had you had to you had to put it place a crown upon which shit fighting game you had
Starting point is 01:10:47 whatever you could fucking get deadly arts i'll take it fighters that fighters actually like flying freak flying dragon i guess i'll take it no it had to be exclusive flying dragon like but no but yeah no but i'm saying bye bye yeah no but we just we settled for whatever the fuck we could and then i'd go to my friend's house play street fighter alpha or like tomba gets super salty at it and then and then go back home and tomba's great it is yeah it's just really specific it's not great oh really when we played on physicals if we didn't none of us had a great time no that's to ball we're thinking of tomba no no it's not great all of this was for sly cooper yeah so i just completely missed sly i never thought anything of it and i was like oh it's that not
Starting point is 01:11:37 nintendo why'd you miss sly because i didn't give a shit about okay all right um but yeah fuck sly two is like super good and i'm really keen to keep going forward with the series and the characters are really like well written as well i'm surprised i didn't think anything i don't know i i kind of expected even going back to them that they'd be like whatever forgettable sevens or something but they're super solid and they've aged really well i got a really weird period where they put out three different mascot plan yeah i was just thinking to myself and i've ignored all of them none of them never touched the sly cooper game jack and daxter ratchet and clank they were all high quality never even successful and none of them ever hit like mario did ever not
Starting point is 01:12:23 even close they're good like ratchet's ongoing like plank one ratchet's ongoing so that one did it fucking awesome those games are great and sly is good and jack one and jack two are really great combat racing's really good yeah but like but it wasn't the kind of game that you'd go out and be like fuck i gotta get my hands on clearly not for us anyway yeah like play stations mario 64 and they always just fell like 10 short but if you had everyone but there's nine of them and it's funny because you look back on these games and the reviews were great the sales were like really respectable like they were bad the mario game at the time or even the sonic game at the time you didn't really think about those games yeah well exactly i was playing fucking mario sunshine
Starting point is 01:13:10 and i was like this is fucking amazing because it was so it was fantastic it was it was sunshine was fun i don't care what sunshine it's not as good as 64 i don't like it as much no it's really good so you're saying it's the worst mario game which is a lot of good mario games i mean it'll it's it's it's you know in a weird place yeah it's a weird place it's in a weird place but it's in a place where it was fun one mario game which you say is worse than sarah is missing what main mario game that was developed by nintendo what do you say is worse than mario sunshine because i wouldn't count mario is missing any of those cd is super mario bros too no are you crazy that doesn't count i didn't like that one very no no it counts but i well no then
Starting point is 01:13:54 i love that game if you believe so personal preference is all yeah i never really liked the land games i never played them i gave them i gave them solid efforts and i never enjoyed did you play the second one uh probably for about an hour okay because the second one's worth going back to because it's really short it's super short you'll blast through it in an afternoon and it's like a huge improvement over the first super mario land that was like practically archaic you know i bet you if i played mario sunshine today it's probably pretty good it's really good but it was not probably bar like like when it came out even i remember it was like oh this isn't as amazing as 64 was it's kind of feels restricted and stuff but the only argument i
Starting point is 01:14:37 i'm just saying there's fun in there considering i never played it i have i have to admit that like here's people shit on it or whatever it's like it has to be the most unfavorable act to follow ever ever yeah like i mean galaxies like you know no i mean but like how are you supposed to follow mario 64 64 yeah oh following 64 yeah yeah yeah it was it was exactly come on super hard what do you do please look forward to our full lp of mario unless you make the best game ever again you're not like it's kind of interesting because they went from like a castle with magic teleporters to like let's make a full-fledged island you know more or less so it's like the inverse of wind waker where wind waker comes after ocarina of time but i still think wind waker is like unique and
Starting point is 01:15:21 fun and like just is good or whatever whereas mario sunshine is kind of the same thing just with one added gimmick and that's where you already pisses all over everything pretty much blood in a couple other minor things anyway so besides like who anyway because we're gonna roll yeah and the only other thing we're doing the only other thing i'm gonna uh mention even is they put out a new demo for uh toki den two uh so they put out the vita one and they updated the ps4 one to be at like feature parody i see like update parody uh it's like a huge improvement over the first demo really in the whole way tell me well one of the one of the issues with the ps4 one was its frame rate was all over the place and um and now on the ps4 the frame rates like really respectable all
Starting point is 01:16:01 over no problems anywhere good and on the vita surprisingly even though the ps4 one was initially all over the place the vita's frame rates really good uh for good like they genuinely did it assets i imagine oh yeah okay good because that's that who cares like it's like it's a performance that matters yeah no totally uh good they surprisingly are making the open world totally work on the vita keep fighting monster hunter everybody keep fighting it you're gonna only make it stronger and everyone wins pretty much exactly like like what's the negative here you get two great games instead yeah or actually more yeah more than two they they made the the claw work a little bit better on the ps4 because it had some like targeting issues where you'd aim at something but you'd
Starting point is 01:16:37 like it tags something else instead but they improved it a bit and i was really surprised because on the vita i think it's you'll hate it you would hate it and i'd never recommend it to you i'm got a big smile on the face but i think it's actually better on the vita version because you just touch and it just it it grabs that thing right away i can see the argument for that but i absolutely can't know exactly on ps4 you have to hold a button and aim it well because for me right you know what happens when i touch my vita screen you have to clean it i touch it and then i clean it i have to clean it i have to clean it but uh i have to clean it now because i'm thinking about it yeah no i get i get you on that too i clean the screen all the time but uh basically yeah it's
Starting point is 01:17:14 the either you aim on the ps4 version or you just tap so i think it's better but yeah who knows uh it's like like well that the game you're right that is an objectively better way to control this just faster it is faster yeah so i wonder if they would actually alter it very slightly maybe i think the games are compatible like i think you can so they know so probably so they should then balance around the slower uh ps4 version and just have the vita people have a slightly easier time yeah exactly it's not as uh crucial as in freedom wars anyway it's the primary exactly and this it's really a secondary mechanic and they added like some cool stuff to it like bosses will have this this move or they'll have a big tell with a red aura and if you get them with
Starting point is 01:17:56 it on that your character just yanks them to the ground and smashes them into the floor and gives you a good stun opportunity but uh yeah just uh really good improvements considering in japan it's coming out in july i think but here it's not announced yet i mean it'll it will because it's tecmo but you know it's like if they were in direct competition with like monster hunter x yeah like it's it's more ambitious than monster hunter x's oh the open world is really impressive and like i played around a bit more in the open world and like you look at the map and there are exclamation marks and you go to them and there's a guy there who's like hey yo my tree's corrupted go and you go to the tree and you do your like uncorruption thing and then like a big oni comes out of it
Starting point is 01:18:38 and you you do a big fight there it sounds like a genuine and you go back to it's a fucking open world game of the hunting genre yeah which i hope everyone steals it's no definitely i think that monster hunter should fucking do this every monster hunter wasn't stuck in the fucking ps2 era for the past 20 years or whatever it'd be really nice if a single game could top dinosaur hunting but unfortunately they never will no it's it's really just not possible we'll look at there one day but that day is far away yeah and you didn't play dinosaur hunting dinosaur hunting it's the most incredible hunting game ever is really take the photos no no it's like Liam played it it's it's like a an american hunting game but for dinosaurs and it's made in japan but it plays
Starting point is 01:19:19 like a japanese game yeah so it's neat but it's not great actually no shut up it's great oh man but i don't know between between neo and uh tokidentu tecmo koi is like super stepping up their game yeah just as a little thing man i got two secret dino games for you two secret dino games i bet i own one of them okay okay yeah they're like in high school people would say anyone that likes a playstation they're like enjoy your play with yourself station and everyone would go oh and enjoy your n 60 bore oh the biggest burns and when the truth of the matter is yo your parents got you a thing you had no choice in the matter you like your social class was decided for you done and done and the rich kids
Starting point is 01:20:15 were above it all because they had everything yep i knew a rich fuck that had like every console at the time he didn't have a saturn though because why and i love sega so much and saturn has some good games of even i will be like why the saturn is cool it's just it ended just too soon to get a decent american it's worse than the genesis and worse than the dream cast in japan uh i don't know if when you were there you ever looked but the saturn library in japan is fucking yeah yeah yeah it is yeah the saturn like the saturn has like 50 wrestling games in japan and like it's like yeah it's like down there with w u for sure in regards to like no american one anyway yeah fucking i'm keeping this in this is interesting i was pissing i know the saturn also like could do 2d games way better than the
Starting point is 01:21:06 places yeah did you guys it was just because of the sprites and like and the and the fact that like you could look at 2d being handled better on a side-by-side comparison with a lot of the playstation stuff it was plain to see plus it had final fight revenge the greatest game well bang did you guys see the really cool digital foundry video that they put up this morning that was on the uh on the saturn it was on the quake port to the saturn oh yeah i saw that yeah uh they put that up this morning and they said they might do more retro ones if there's a quake port for the no there was going to be okay are you sure i i thought so okay unless like unless i've asked for the ti 83 calculator unless i remember playing i remember playing and beating quick
Starting point is 01:21:48 got a port to the on a playstation playstation 1 and n64 that was a ghetto ass experience i remember looking at trailers for resident yeah quake on the sega saturn is out it exists it does i can buy it on amazon right now in a complete form wow i was so excited by the footage at the time i still want to play it it looks the looks really cool ghetto sprites are awesome hey hey remember last week when we talked about heretic and hexon yeah because i just went on steam and i bought that the entire heretic and hexon like did you did you know uh using that like quake thing on the we on the homebrew channel oh yeah you can play heretic oh i didn't know you could play heretic with the point of controls everything quake port ever it's amazing did you
Starting point is 01:22:32 guys play the quake port on i did it's amazing because it uses the because it uses the pointer and everything if it's fucking the boss's console it's not official it's uh it's a fan thing oh yeah really the port of quakes of the we is not official i don't know quakes on fucking calculators so quakes in your browser yeah quakes everywhere um but uh saturn was sad yeah and it's it's just a shame you went past like a good machine you went into um tokyo then and then and that that was fast and i went to went to my cousin's wedding very nice wedding but that's that's pretty much congratulations to your cousin everyone every time we brought it up everyone thought you were getting married because we would say we would say Liam's gone to a wedding yeah and people
Starting point is 01:23:16 automatically think you're marrying like a pillow or something of course of course we would have said his wedding yeah that's usually what occurs that's a humorous anecdote yeah it is i guess i'll go um so okay without woolly without out of my house i'll leave hey don't don't shit in my chair funny jokes uh so someday we'll have them outside of uh like momo con stuff which uh we will talk about there's the uh i guess well one i want to give shout outs to she really henry for winning the canadian nationals yes which is fucking nuts tournament motherfucker did it his good stuff his stupid one round matches well in the finals they corrected did they correct it for every once it went to the regionals and then the canadian
Starting point is 01:24:01 finals okay cool it they they made it because i only heard the news but i didn't know it got fixed so i was like yeah he won this shit tournament thing ever okay but uh are you sure you didn't play mario at the end of the national yeah so the i told you guys about the rules of like the the pools right and like when it got to the nationals it was they were held at the in toronto at a giant cineplex odion theater and uh yeah man dude won it and got his uh his 10k prize pot so you're pretty good at getting beat down says no one on twitter yeah every time i go to the fucking movies this still play that fucking stupid trailer and i'm just like put in my face my hands like don't be the street fighter trailer oh um i see the the physical
Starting point is 01:24:39 ads on the walls for that yeah the big poster when i'm pissing in the fucking uh uh bathrooms of that theater they're like blue the street fighter tournament it's gonna go down a week ago yeah and i'm like did you not take these ads down now you got movies to advertise when i went to see uh what fucking x-men well i want to go see x-men i knew what movie you saw there was a fucking trailer in the pre-show for x-men yeah i thought so fucking ad the pre-show bit oh my god star wars and there was four ads for star wars i'm cool with it because they interviewed my friends and quoted them oh you know what like they got storm out in front of the movie going hey lots of people work to make this movie so don't steal it please like i'm sitting in the cinema i want to steal it
Starting point is 01:25:30 now fuck you you gave me the lust to steal it premature no like pirates don't have to look at your stupid actor they'll also probably cut that part out yeah that's what i'm at that's what i'm at so yeah no uh and speaking of movies uh i i went and i watched that movie high rise that i was telling you guys about last time so this was something that i decided to watch just based on seeing the poster for it alone because the poster looked super interesting and i was like you know what i've never heard of this i don't know why uh it just kind of feels like i came out of nowhere but starring tom hiddleston um we talked about this briefly that yeah and well because you gave me some insight into why this type of thing might exist because i read about this and um i fucking
Starting point is 01:26:12 went out i'm gonna let me show you guys the poster so you can kind of see yeah i'm not i'm really wanting to see the poster because it feels like it's this is what it is and i was like that's fucking cool i like that kind of 70s aesthetic with that's a cool poster right what's going on here it's a movie about tom hiddleston living in a high rise where you live there and the the the bourgeois are on the top and the the scum are on the bottom you never get to leave those scum and then it's all out war do you ever get to leave or no uh it seems like you can if you have a job or so okay but then it's unclear once the movie started the movie sucked it was a huge waste of time cool and it's just those two sentences kind of made me feel like okay how is
Starting point is 01:26:52 this going to be exactly and that's the fucking bummer is that you go into it and it's like your it's the first half of it is shot so nice like that poster it's so clean and they do all these amazing building shots aesthetic things because you know you can play with all these like external uh shots of the building and just very artful amazing like a high concept for that hitchcock movie where the guys looking across the the the back alley towards the the the the apartments in front of them i don't know the one you're talking about but rear window yeah i'm thinking a rear one but you have lots of night lots of artsy shots in that way and then when you're showing off all the rich apartments and all the the the fact that this guy yeah the
Starting point is 01:27:29 fact that sky has a hedge maze and horses it's just architecture for only went down the list of how much bourgeoisie shit they have on the top floor like motherfuckers being their powdered wigs having like areas potty wait what year you know that's not just because we want to do it okay yeah and the whole thing is like that's not bourgeoisie man that's like straight up royalty that's like and when they're used and they're having parties so elaborate that they're using all the power on the floor for the whole building yeah like like the grocery stores on the 15th and everything below it just loses the building pat lives in so it just you know it just gets fucking like i guess it is i guess so it gets weirder and weirder from there also starring um um uh secretary girl from
Starting point is 01:28:13 mad men not um not hendrix but i don't care the intern girl yeah sure but you know and it was just passed yeah and and it was just like it ended up just losing the plot it just became random and almost shot and i kind of like we're trying to be artsy and like show you how people go become mad and the director became mad right the shots start me stop making sense all right i'm done but it's just like you're mad you're you have no message anymore and it was a huge waste of time and so i was like mad in your message just eventually was i bad was i wrong for venturing out of the realm of recommendations holy just going into the dark hiddleston is a huge actor now and everyone likes him how did i miss this one will he might say it's because sometimes europe will just throw money
Starting point is 01:29:02 at big huge hollywood actors and say we're going to distribute this movie big time in europe yeah and you're not going to hear about it because this is mostly for a europe market right but you know you can get on vod you can get it wherever they get that and we get ice cube movies so it's a good trade off and that's why you don't hear about it because a lot of the time american distributors will look at this movie that was made in europe and and written by european or made them like this isn't for us we're not going to pick this up but mostly because a it sucks or b it's just like a weird thing there's a weird deal or whatever so no i so i reached out and i got burnt into the abyss and then that was it and i'm like all right back to the list of recommend solid
Starting point is 01:29:45 recommendations for me yeah it's because when you talk about your horror movies man like we're we're discussing this earlier it's like how do you know when there's so much out there that this random one is gonna you have to get a recommendation you can't go in a poster because usually on going blinding is gonna work on netflix or xbox or psn video there'll be amazing horror movie posters there'll be stuff that looks like samurai cop that looks like turbo kid and you'll be like fuck yeah and then i'm like no i can't trust the poster but then you'll remember like it only costs like two thousand dollars to make an amazing poster these days but even the trailer for high rise still had me interested so woolly what you're saying is that it's not it's not about
Starting point is 01:30:26 censoring the net it's about creating context so that you don't get lost in the coming flood of information yeah it's about getting a care about reality in your life make it you need curation of some kind but then how are we gonna simulate solid snake well when the time came it was so right in mgs2 we are all just talking about that every year didn't even know how right he was yeah i know he was so right yeah so it's not like a 63 on rotten tomatoes and a 45 audience score so okay snow piercer by the way has a 95 yep just fucks just not snow piercer two or three mind you there's a movie oh yeah okay now we have to go read three right dude we i really we have to go read it yeah okay there's a film called lobster that has
Starting point is 01:31:20 Colin Farrell in it and he plays a mutated lobster man and it has a 99 percent of rotten tomatoes and it's a weird european film that no one's ever heard of great just put now i should watch it put how much they paid him on the poster just so we know so speaking of curation and recommendations and not venturing outside of the safety box you watch Naruto i started and completed ridiculous fishing oh cool on both plane rides what do you think of it what a good ass game just fantastic fucking what a good ass mobile game yeah uh very not much else to say about what else are you gonna say that part where you went into space was pretty good um their their role when they made the game told to me verbally was we wanted to make the best mobile game okay and i love i love how
Starting point is 01:32:08 like you have a ton to do after you beat it yeah it's super cool like that and i'm gonna keep playing the the games like i've done really i saw the credits yeah the games are really decent sized chunk of content and it's got it's got a lot like there's a lot to it no and i i you know like i definitely had the person next to me on both both rides like like what the fuck is this tilting what do you it's asshole doing and then like eventually kind of walk clearly watching over my shoulder during some of the deeper runs and stuff yeah controls are fantastic so fun so good not much else there i should play that too it's dude it's so good play it on your phone rather than your tablet if you can yes absolutely because you'll be tilting because it'll be a bit more cumbersome
Starting point is 01:32:48 because the way the way that you you move the the the the line back and forth is to to move your phone like this so it'll be more cumbersome so like on your tablet maybe you'll be able to make it work but also like shooting specific things in the out of the air when you need precision yeah might be a bit harder tablet for hearthstone phone for ridiculous fishing um tablet probably makes some super hacks super hexagon easier if i think about it i bet it's easier to see yeah uh yeah and you know that's pretty much it but outside of like con related stuff so um momo con then happened this weekend the con of momo's and not a single peach girl cosplay fuck that another day of me being disappointed no one remembers i love peach wait another day what do you mean another
Starting point is 01:33:38 weekend yeah the day is compared sick burn all right moving on so every day matt gets up and just turns his head left and right there's no peach girl cosplayers and he rests his head back down and screams that his life is wasted it was just put some lipstick on a peach so the first thing i will i want to report is as usual arrive in the hotel room turn on that cartu network never let it go yeah right the whole time it's probably still now go just shut up willy everything you're gonna say shut up tell them about that bit in clarence that's where i'm going right now okay good because basically my whole thing with watching tv in the states is turn on art on cartu network you see some cool ass shit and you're in this time around i saw this really awesome um teen titans
Starting point is 01:34:22 random clip where where uh cyborg is like going through an 80s metal video riding on a bike that becomes a pegasus that becomes like a a fucking wolf yeah well it's amazing and i was like yeah it's blood dragon a music video we we need this in our lives and so and the whole time i every time we'd go down there the only thing that bugged me all the time is clarence because i'd be like i never got into clarence i never liked when it was on and i never really laughed at it but i i didn't really see a ton it would just be like okay now i can switch to forensic files or whatever and then come back to this one's clarence is done but i finally this weekend got sold on it when there was a so random part in this episode where uh do you remember clarence the one with
Starting point is 01:35:06 the weirdly weird art style yeah okay so this he's hanging out with this kid that's like a like this way younger than him and he's like super obsessed with like secretive nym and red wall and those kinds of show those are great right little mouse and animal adventures i love those as a kid so so like he so clarence is hanging out with him he's like okay whatever we'll order pizza and do our thing and the kid's super weird and like he's trying to like see it through his eyes he's trying to enact out like these little stories in his head and stuff so it like it hits a point where like he clarence can't find him and he's like he looks he looks he's like are you in this room over here and he's like peeking in and like you see like and then basically the kid is in like
Starting point is 01:35:47 the garage and like he's with his animal friends and like you see like a like a lizard that's like singing with a cape like a full duke outfit and i'm a little squirrel that's got like a little motherly like a hood and stuff and like and all these like little like disney animals having this amazing musical adventure and they're and clarence just looking in on it and they're like they're rejoicing because they're like juggling sausages and tomatoes and a feast for all of us our children will die in tonight you know and they're dancing on like the cheese that's being cut and rolled and stuff you know and like the kids don't like you the kids like amongst them too and having fun and then clarence is like what the fuck's going on in here kind of thing and he opens the door and you
Starting point is 01:36:25 just see the kid in his diapers rolling in a pizza and bats and squirrels and actual bugs just freaking out and roll is that they're like an owl there's a pigeon and like a couple of insects and they're all just rotting on his body and like flickering and hitting the walls and freaking out and clarence's like oh my god oh my god no like and then like later on uh like when like clarence like like goes to bed and he's like you can't do that it's not cool get these fucking animals out of my house you know whatever and like and he gets they all go to bed and then the kid sneaks down and then they get into this whole like uh burn the witch kind of musical moment kind of thing and so he's like yeah we have to attack clarence we have to stop him he's the the guy and so they go
Starting point is 01:37:11 they have this amazing mounted like march where they're flying on the pigeon back and then they're all soldiering up to clarence's room with their little um sewing needles and stuff and then like and like as the song comes to a crescendo they're all like and they're like attack and then again cuts to real life and it's just a kid dumping a box of creatures on clarence's bed and one of them is a worm that crawls into his hair and he's like chipmunks are everywhere fucking died i died it was so strong i have a db i'm in i have a db the first two seasons of clarence and there's some episodes they're like they're fine and there's some that fucking hit the ball so hard there's one where there's like boys and girls and they're protecting a giant rock and because the rock has is the biggest
Starting point is 01:37:59 thing that they can climb on and when they're done fighting all day they're like okay my mom says i gotta come home now all right see you tomorrow we'll be back and they all just go home with their moms it gets the it's one of the purest like like adventure time is pure kid fun like steven here versus but clarence has really written as they are actually written as they are and their adventures are not real they're dumb kid adventures i remember thinking that was one of the better ones we saw in cartoon network consistently plus has a really great intro everyone's just shouting and yelling and i still don't like uncle grandpa still don't like it i love uncle grandpa he's amazing you just like it because he showed up on steven he really brings down steven no i like the
Starting point is 01:38:46 things that specifically uncle grandpa did i don't the best the best thing to ever say to kids is hey kids don't be afraid to be super weird if someone had told me no that's a good one if someone had told me that when i was super weird i would not be here today that's a good i don't like it but i won't turn it off i i like i can't get past the fact that uncle grandpa implies some kind of nightmarish incest scenario that's the one that yeah yeah i can't forget about that oh that's our good uncle grandpa we don't talk about grandpa steve like jesus christ there's also a really good homage to on back in what shut up in clearance no in robot chicken oh in the hundredth episode i'll believe that where he goes up the stairs and he kills everyone from the first season
Starting point is 01:39:36 in one camera shot and it's amazing so there's some good shit and i'm so like ah american tv i fucking miss it man yeah and then you turn on the news you're like oh american tv and every other commercials like hey do you need pills or a lawyer because we got both did your pills need you a lawyer did they hurt you did you i want like i want to watch american tv and see an ad for pills and then see an ad that is a lawyer saying have you taken these pills yeah because and then see another lawyer who's like yo are you with this lawyer did you not that's bullshit and the last one is another thing of pills for people who are you stressed about lawyers have you lost your home and most of your belongings do fraudulent lawsuits then come on down to store them barn or whatever
Starting point is 01:40:23 the fuck where you can just store all your fucking shit man those those storage places are depressing and they're everywhere they're everywhere except for that cool black guy on the internet with his storage commercials uh wait which one i forgot what it's called uh big ass good ass storage good ass storage and good ass barbecue full massage big ass yeah oh what the what the fuck's that guy's name he's great probably like steve or something but yeah yeah those are solid pizza steve jones good ass barbecue and foot massage that's it there you go so you know love this guy momocon was it was pretty much the same experience this this year around uh you know all in all good fun like we were wondering if this time around if we were going to have any like panel upset moments
Starting point is 01:41:08 especially after we've clearly indicated that our language is strong yeah yeah and did that fucking bear attack you the bear no the bear got fucking he tried to come in kept him out seriously he got bounced out of our panel he tried again he was there this year wow and someone tweeted the picture like look who's here right and then like it got to updated with someone putting the i asked because i saw that go go go go go go go go go go i'm shocked that he was even there like so there was two you gotta keep up your hustle they multiplied right uh and so the staff bounced him out he got bounced out of our panel i hope he got kicked out of the convention so because like that shit was really not next year i was explaining that next year there will be an open rule that if you
Starting point is 01:41:52 wear this bear costume it's open season and staff will turn the other way well i'm i'm reasonable i'm like if it's my panel time and you come into my stage this is my world you are part of my show you've entered my world you've entered my domain now you wrestle for daddy oh yeah basically that's it no rules don't pick me up bro yeah don't stun gunhead but me bro that was the worst so um so there should have pushed him off we did all that come on that's i should have told him to do a pose and then pushed him off the stage on the second event uh we broke his neck we did the live sleeping break his bones quickly we uh on the on the sleeping dogs crime just set him on fire no no no oh okay we didn't have anyone come and try to to push the momo con website twitter thing
Starting point is 01:42:46 while being warned about swearing but we did have a guy walk by with a little signboard telling us hey guys watch the language and we're like no well that was because you guys wound up doing it in like the game area not a panel room because it said noise bleed literally everyone in this entire convention space can hear you because we were in the big gaming area that's not a panel room yeah yeah there was no walls and we were pushing rose buds really hard uh not me hey you can't just this is so well he's like pointing pointing at children walking by hey you want to know about rose buds ask your mom about that timer but hole fell out so the one thing is that i'll recall that oh my god sleeping dogs is good yeah that's really it's so much fun it's really really well and yeah
Starting point is 01:43:38 that that that particular sleeping dogs uh crime time was was pretty good lots of fun there and our panel really really good and a lot of people calling me out saying of course you you forced your wife to cosplay as pun pun kill chant i did not she did that of her own accord she did that on her own fucking accord no one will ever believe you and will that cost feel will that costume be used in the future perhaps on my birthday night maybe maybe but that's neither here nor there that's neither here nor there but i that that was that was just generally really fun like like that like when he brought that up i was like dude like when people saw like what my girlfriend looked like because of the japan video they're like oh of course will he would date someone that looks like that i'm like
Starting point is 01:44:23 her hair was long when i met her i had nothing to do with that and then you forced her to cut it and recently and recently she's like i'm thinking about dying it and i'm like i'm not influencing anything you do your own thing everyone's gonna think i'm beating you that's what you say it's short all right yeah damn it i'm not saying anything's gonna happen i'm just saying something could happen oh look at zaria what why what did we do what what was really fun actually which which at first you were a little hesitant about but i think we could probably go forward with is having an autograph signing at if you if you have two events yeah have an autograph signing after both yeah because we thought like and then who will come up for a second one yeah we were
Starting point is 01:45:05 worried about like it'll be so embarrassing and it will look like virgin superstar yeah that the second sitting at an empty table but the the second autograph signing was just as filled as the first because people who can't make it it makes sense a lot of people for whatever time so that was a good idea so lots of lots of great fans came up to us and stuff there was an 8-bit guy yeah with his purlers the same guy that made the the pat uh bowser and the me yoshi oh those were really big i remember that yeah that guy gave me a uh tracer purler which now i love gave woolly amazing ornstein and a really nice reboot logo purler and me a punisher logo purler yeah man what what's a pearl oh it's like that little bowser thing um the beat art okay that's what that's
Starting point is 01:45:50 called yeah they're called purlers it's uh gave us those we're like whoa you're the guy yeah man that's awesome thank you so much yeah that's me uh so we got we got dude that delivered the friends of free cats oh nice right with the customizing letters from the side i couldn't really see it yeah you can change it out he gave us a p a w n m and uh and uh and uh yeah everything you need all of it so we got those going um of course we also have these little tasters japanese watermelon gummies do you want to try one i'll try one see what they're like there you go individually wrapped because japan wastes wrapping paper uh and hates the environment and i love them for it uh woolly i sorry uh liam do you remember the guy that we're like we're trying to find peaches all last year
Starting point is 01:46:38 yeah and then a guy came with a box of peaches for us uh he showed up again this year and i'm really sorry i forget his name but like he gave us this time like i'm really sorry i don't have anything to give you but i'm gonna give you this box of s'mores cupcakes i made myself which i was like yeah no we'll totally take them we put them in our fridge and i'm relieving we're like oh well i gotta taste at least one and it's probably the most divine fucking thing ever because the bottom part of the cupcake was graham cracker and the top part was like moist fucking cupcake and then with cream in the middle it's like the best cupcake i've had a long time it was super good we uh there was a comic guy that came by and gave us some good stuff and uh besides a whole bunch of guen guen
Starting point is 01:47:22 gueniverse covers and variations so he gave me the um the two issues of black punisher getting oh when he gets turned black when he gets black and when luke cage has to has to comfort him has to train him in the ways of black so that's a good time the the the the the guen universe variants were just different comics and just here's a weird cover with guen stacey bean whatever she hawk is the one i got i took the one where guen is venom you want to order name is spider think about it guenum guenum oh actually that's that's awful it's amazing i love it yeah yeah guenum good old scary guenum wait wait think about it no let it no it's terrible i got i got no the cover has nothing to do with the comic it's just a variant
Starting point is 01:48:16 cover right yeah awesome japan good gummies japan and pat throw another gummy at me okay open your mouth don't hit the microphone so there's also these wine gummies if you want to try this wow that's they actually hit the microphone oh i tried um thanks pat yeah and and and don't do them like reasons throw them in the trash when you when you're done there please oh thank you thank you for bringing that up and so you know uh that was a good time pat we all found doom guy a little figure of doom guy exactly like the game okay that's why i bought him yes you did he's a little doom guy now and i fist bumped them is it a doom like 2016 piece of rapture cool awesome the the same people that ran the cabinets came back and so i got to play some jupy that got attacked yeah yeah got to play
Starting point is 01:48:59 bone eater those guys are good right are you serious i really want to play that and uh bone eater and a couple of other rhythm games i forget the one that looks kind of like super beat sonic but it's not and you have the two dj max technica the two fevers are on the side fne and uh there's endless like it and what's what is it it is a touchscreen circle um and the buttons are coming out from the middle out to the edge outer rim kind of like the washing machine kind of like persona uh dancing all night and then you have two custom fever buttons on the on the sides for a spinning fever and then a everything fever not a hundred okay well anyway we tried that that was kind of fun um of course three five or five was there and i spent most of my time just doing
Starting point is 01:49:41 casuals and and that was still playing the collie right now yeah yeah i'm sticking with it and um the one thing i will say is like again like last time as well the weakness of momo con is right next to that you look over at the console desert yeah and it's like all you see is endless monitors with nothing plugged into them yeah expecting b y o c's and a lot of the times when there is a console it's not connected to the internet you can't sign in there's no controller in sight or there's like uh call of duty and that's the only game completely inadequate console setups yeah nothing going on the same last smash was the only thing that had their shit together there well smash had like something easy to break or are approaching cults now they're so well
Starting point is 01:50:25 you guess what a gamecube has a handle on it it does it has made to be very smash had something crazy and it's visible so like a five thousand dollar turning pot yeah they had the smash dot gg guys that came out smash kids have a lot of money to throw around that was that was cool um and uh yeah we got also like i stuck my head into the rave but like it's the same problem yeah anime rave exactly every rave is gonna have the same problem where like i just don't like the music it's not what i want out of that kind of event unfortunately so one of its strengths of course is like even the crowd where it's like hey look at all these 16 year olds dancing to their favorite anime songs you know i did have my glowing glasses so it was a good excuse to wear them
Starting point is 01:51:05 i heard you never took them off all weekend even over dinner and are planning to wear them to every funeral wedding you should see me in the shower it's it's a risky shower but i'm glad you don't up to it test it i have shit on you probably more than anyone you've ever known in your entire life yeah but that photo you put up with yourself with the glasses on looks pretty god damn cool yeah like you do it you fuck take the cop it works it totally works and then it also kind of like the cosplay group was like all right lucio fuck you you have no choice now yeah like oh you gotta wear you gotta wear a hot shirt unfortunately kenny will always beat you because he's a slimmer build yeah and he like he already started his his head but he's asking you for your glasses yeah
Starting point is 01:51:57 he already started but he's going for the hot 21 yeah but his head looks like lucio like he's like he's the right tone yeah right everything uh i think normal constant generally talking about is like just like a lot of cosplay centric events a lot of good stuff that undine cosplay girl that's a fan that's probably the coolest i love she had the yellow fishy contact lenses and everything yeah it was a point um some real funny characters we ran into funny funny motherfuckers like hey dude uh ken ken ken you have a minute no we're sorry we're we're filled with like all the the presents and stuff from from our autograph session and we're literally going just back to our room really quickly gotta rush we have we have to go back to something else and he
Starting point is 01:52:47 goes yeah yeah okay okay and it was a very strange moment where the guys like hey can we stop our picture like sorry we can't but we're doing our signing and stuff and it's like okay just come on yeah he's like all right yeah i'm we're like he kind of was waiting around like i was like we're like is that okay is that cool he's like yeah no that's fine and then he like had more to say so we're like okay and he's like sorry guys i hit the mic oh hey woolly stay free and then walks away and i'm like okay okay so you you can pull that off just running by me and then keep running no you botched it by existing in the space but you can't do that after the whole thing in but before that so the only the only thing that would have been weirder is if he didn't move leave so that so yeah like
Starting point is 01:53:33 that just evolved with matt and i over the weekend and then to like hey man love your stuff suck my dick fuck you i love your shit pretty much that's pretty much how we treated bunny last time yeah well we treated bunny worse is he still like a whiny bitch when you call him a whiny bitch and we didn't call him that i wouldn't but we got we did get to go to and see the bunny hole yeah we went deep deep into the bunny hole it's actually quite nice it's quite nice asshole yes it's his apartment it's his apartment he was out of very spacious okay wow um all those machinko machines are at my thing off what you just said is that we're having the the nice autograph signing and then this elderly uh black lady i'd say like maybe in her 50s or
Starting point is 01:54:20 something comes up and takes one of our prints and says can you please sign this yeah and and i and i it's a little bit closer to me so i go sure and she takes it pulls it away and she goes no only woolly woolly's like okay and i go okay she signs it does not say thank you does not say anything then then then huffs away and i go i thought i made some strides with the african community i don't have half of your employees are black you know and then right prior that like four black like the girls were like super high for both of us and they're and they didn't get the newsletter i guess so that's the thing that's why i'm like i'm like that matt you you don't realize that like the sms hasn't gone out yet i guess i guess so it's buddy is buddy behind this we talked to the
Starting point is 01:55:13 atlanta natives and tell them i was not cool what's going on anyway yes and then he's emailing everyone saying matt is not a real rasta he won't buy your mixtape no and of course that that evolves into uh matt being huge with the indian girl community and like and like but no woolly only matt what have you done for indian girls lately i don't oh no shut up anyway anyway um shout outs to total biscuit because he took us to a nice dinner place we got to eat some good old brazilian style it's so crazy until you drop like type of like put the paddle up to say please no more yeah that's what i did for uh my birthday yeah it was one of those places system is weird you have to tell them go away yeah so it was a really great moment where
Starting point is 01:56:06 we're talking about rustling and i didn't know that woolly told me like yeah i know he's super into rustling or whatever got back in got back in super hard and then woolly kind of goes oh yeah it's just like when matt destroyed that guy's career on twitter and told us was like what and then we're like well okay alex riley did a thing where he thought and he goes and told us go that was you that destroyed alex riley and i was like push push push rage and i'm like yeah and he goes oh i hate alex riley good good show good show and he was just so overjoyed that he's like it was you guys i'm actually sitting with the legends that destroyed alex riley's are like i might be over shooting out of his mouth a little bit a little bit a little bit selling it hard but
Starting point is 01:56:56 what i do what i do want to take away um from that that lovely dinner with him and uh his lovely wife jenna yeah was that uh we were able to i feel like we were able to sell them and push lucha underground as a concept a little bit i spent introducing the medallions and the belts and such and and similarly they were able to turn us on to the fact that the edge and christian show gets way better after episode three what that show had some fucking potential apparently if you stick around after episode they find their stride they find their stride exactly they figure it out and they have some good ass bits that keep on coming okay i would really including getting the likes of superstar virgil to appear and do a bit i would love to watch that so now i want to watch
Starting point is 01:57:47 when we saw the first one it was just disappointing but you could tell there was the idea was there the power was there but they didn't know how to access it like some like like slightly slower build up as like the erica andre show it should have been no i but it wasn't okay but it could but there was something the first episode just wasn't that good yeah like at all it wasn't like funny not good it was just not that good there were bits like they got shockmaster to come in and test running through walls again wow yeah no i know right actor or wrestler weird tugboat tugboat seems like it would be hard to fuck up right that's why it was disappointing must must have been too long without their their onscreen chemistry like ninja turtles i can't
Starting point is 01:58:27 believe they fucked it up again should have been you know i think we can we can safely say that like when it comes to atlanta cuisine we've done it yeah i think we hit up little five points and did all the places order savage pizza and vortex burger yeah we've when it comes to the cuisine of this entire area we've eaten at five you know what was back okay but if you come to montreal and you do uh schwarz's um let's say um um what should we call it um the chicken place um um on reichel no on reichel that's the one you like um uh they're always whatever the one that lit on fire portuguese chicken exactly yeah you do that you do uh a good patine and you do like bonkeys yeah you know what i mean i'd say you go down to the sea what about blackstrap you hit a blackstrap
Starting point is 01:59:16 what about all the good places at the old port like there's like five places you hit the lolos and you hit barbie right and then you done it and then you can say no there's more than that no you're done but you're pretty much good you're done anyway liam do you know what they had legal seafoods remember oh yeah i do i do as opposed to what shark dick that's the name of a restaurant by the way legal most americans i bet it's probably really well no do recall i want to i want to touch on one thing if if you will uh if you will allow me one of the things that i bought while there is that they have this old godzilla comic book series some marvel from 1977 that you're holding in your hands right now and in the really interesting about these 70s comics there'll be ads
Starting point is 02:00:02 right in the middle of the comic they'll just break it up and sometimes you can see that there's these little just one page panels to get over other superheroes in case you're not really aware spider-man would you like me to read you this one page read us an excerpt yes woody would also really like to know this because it's called spider-man and madame web oh and the original version of madame web is sexy hot girl an orange leotard with red web patterned hair let's go so city in panic web had accused of tangling the harbor in his web spider-man's here just saying alone going everyone thinks i'm to blame i'm tired of running from the cops but i must get through and save the harbor madame web says i love spider-man but he rejected me me madame web
Starting point is 02:00:55 so my revenge i'll make everyone blame him for tangling up the harbor spider-man my only love come with me and let's run away spider-man swings down and says madame webbed that love crazy fiend well spider-man says what if i give you a whole bunch of delicious hostess twinkies cakes instead would you clear the harbor and my good name oh golden sponge cake cream filling spilling out either end oh for that i'd clear up the ocean the world anything for you spoter man first i love spider-man then hostess twinkies cakes what a tangled web you're coming with us madame webb says a black cop as he stuffed his face with a hostess twinkie spider-man in the top corner waving goodbye saying she is such a loyal admirer of me have a good time in jail cut to a bunch of children
Starting point is 02:02:07 going yay spider-man yay for twinkies cakes you get a big delight in every bite of hostess twinkies cakes man and scene man i read a lot of comics from that era that my cousins had and they do that shit all the time where it's a fucking legit going and they shove them in with a brand and they get a one page comic of that shit i feel like you both over the course of the flight like five or six different things i showed only an ad where there's just a son and and his father shooting people uh with a gun or like every all the heroes lined up looking at something and daredevil saying let me see it says this straight up what they're looking at a giant magazine that stan lee's pimping out
Starting point is 02:03:00 i tweet a picture of this and mad murdoch's going let me see you can't see really it of all the fucking heroes they could have picked this thorn was right there it's amazing man mad we're not we're not as far from that as you might think in x-men apocalypse there may be the most blatant coca cola brand shot i have ever seen uh don't tell me because i want to see it but it but like it's not dude it is like hold on a moment it is like 15 seconds because we've lived we've lived through so a transforming coca cola vid no it dude it's it's how long oh yeah well that is the most i skipped that one it is a naked like the first one well then i just like you know you know it was a mountain dew machine you know the flat square angle shot of somebody drinking a coke
Starting point is 02:03:53 in the brand yes it's that for like 10 full seconds with nothing okay followed by the phrase welcome to the 80s yeah okay like it's it's so unless there's something else you want to add about momocon we can go on we can go on x-men apocalypse is not very good how bad is it on the scale i heard solid seven i think that a seven on ten is not very good it is exactly a seven on ten there is a couple problems you know outclick silver had that cool scene in the last movie they try to replicate would you like to replicate the exact same scene exactly the same completely exactly the same and then get him out of the movie because he would solve too many problems no they leave him in the movie and he just doesn't solve any of the problems
Starting point is 02:04:42 because problem but he could because he has to go talk to a character instead okay there is a scenario in which everyone is fighting apocalypse and instead of fighting apocalypse he's i'm going to go talk to somebody while everyone else is fighting apocalypse but like the biggest problem with the movie has to do with like did you see any of the other x-men movies yes do you know anything about apocalypse i do yeah i saw him at the end of that one i heard that he is not the rocks on the eternal no he sure isn't but the big problem is you go into the movie you're like gee i wonder how they're gonna get rid of apocalypse in this movie oh right yeah it's that it's the thing i knew about before i even walked in that they're like it's it's like how did like i wouldn't even call it a
Starting point is 02:05:25 fucking spoiler there's two characters in this movie that can just deal with apocalypse one's the cool way and one's the lame way and they go for the lame one even though they set up the cool the problem is that my my major experience with apocalypse is when cable and bishop were fighting it yeah and all they had were guns yeah and for me it's age of apocalypse the comics but also just episode one yeah where of the x-men cartoon that's what i mean that's what i'm wrestling and the writings not that great like there's a there's a point where a character falls unconscious and the line go what's wrong with them are they dead no it's their energy they're completely drained and like you couldn't just say they're exhausted and they passed out because it sounds so yeah but
Starting point is 02:06:16 the scene they're in it's really i i heard that the most of the movie is alright and then the last act is like the worst well most of the movie is nothing that's the that's the biggest problem that most of the movie is the setup for the final confrontation and when i say most of the movie i mean like 90 minutes of the film are are just set up i caught in bummer because it's like fucking x-men yeah so other thing is i caught a dude coming out of the not coming out of the theater but he's walking through the cotton he's like hey well i'm like hey what's up he's like i just saw it yeah i'm like hey break it down and he said i got to kill myself he said solid seven on ten and he said better than uh first class but weaker than future he's crazy how can it be better than first
Starting point is 02:06:53 class but weaker than future paths like for me that doesn't line up yeah because first class better than first class way ahead oh i like future past better than first class well this is this is worse than not by much but all right same here uh and and the the movie's biggest flaw is that it's so obsessed with the setup because like oh apocalypse is so invincible we can't have anyone fight him that like they're there isn't even like a single like actual real knockdown drag out fuck god damn it i know exactly what you mean no higher movie shit like that's the one fucking thing i hate when it's like this guy is such an untouchable badass we're not even they're not even gonna try and then we're gonna come up with the weak stupid way of dealing with the
Starting point is 02:07:35 situation we're trying to dramatize apocalypse in general you shouldn't even be able to be like but it's not even that like there's the part where it's like hey we're gonna have the x-men fight the angels right like that bit of like so you've seen it in straight like beast fighting cylock or uh archangel and nightcrawler fighting like each of those gets maybe 120 seconds tops and then they all end in draws and then of course they do and then they they all just kind of go away when people start to fight apocalypse and it is the it is every think of every scene and every superhero or magic or fantasy thing in which everyone is fighting sell you remember when they were fighting all fighting sell it once everyone takes a crack at it yeah and then the
Starting point is 02:08:30 one guy does the one thing and they're like oh he hurts so he hurts a little bit and then that other one guy does the other thing and now the problem that's the fight the fight with apocalypse is the fight with sell where no one can do anything and everyone just uselessly does their stupid shit at him like useless babies so and then then then the then the problems get solved and in the blink of an eye so nice cool so not only is uh civil war a reference point for bvs yeah but it's also a reference point for this with similar scenes where lots of heroes are fighting each okay is it worse than x-men 3 no like people are allowed to lose that's a fight like it doesn't matter if everyone wins that fight beast doesn't have to win beast shouldn't even be in the
Starting point is 02:09:17 fucking fight but that's what i'm saying like who cares if beast loses that fight as long as he doesn't die yeah and and then well in civil war like ant man eats shit every day you see people go down like nah you weren't good enough yeah it's it's like you get to an okay so there's gonna be some minor spoilers here for the next go ahead three minutes this movie you you're aware of the phrase ludonair dissonance that everybody uses to talk about uncharted this has it in a movie which i've never felt it in a movie before because it doesn't yeah but it's the worst i've ever seen for anything the events that take place in this thing involve the potential destruction of the earth yeah that's fine that process gets like halfway started what you see like eight cities turn into dust
Starting point is 02:10:11 by the end of this movie but then someone changes their mind and has a change of heart and then walks out of the ending going well we're old pals again and everyone just ignores that person killed like a billion people oh wow like like someone in this roster i bet you can guess who kills like a billion people on screen and when and when they and when they change their mind and switch teams everyone's like well you finally found your way we're friends again and they just never talk about it and it it is so unbelievable that's that i walked out of the theater looking at everyone that i saw the movie was like is everyone just going to ignore the fact that that guy just killed a billion people like a glaring i'm not exaggerating they show they show
Starting point is 02:11:06 sydney and every landmark in sydney being ground into cities a big city they show san francisco and chicago and parts of new york and all the all these and and just just being ground into dirt like en masse and cars with people in them you can see being lifted off into fucking hundreds of feet in the air and falling down and like i get it like a redemptive moment but there's no redemptive moment for killing like it's like creating a holocaust on that scale yeah okay i don't care that you you you got over your your your pathos are fucking whatever here's here's a thing is i i talked about this a bit before it's like hey man you like punishment not not i like punisher like hitler becomes an x-men all is absolved fuck that is exactly what happens sorry
Starting point is 02:11:55 man i just i like punisher but i love spider-man and i love x-men yeah because i spent so much on my youth with x-men and stuff and the thing with apocalypse is that apocalypse is so fucking powerful and so stupid that he shouldn't even get his plan going yeah they should stop his plan but you can't do that for a movie the plan has to get somewhere for the but the cartoon and most comics most come not all the gauge of apocalypse you fucking won right it's it's called the raising of the stakes raising of the stakes you can't like what you're describing can't happen and that makes me interested just to see and guess and guess what apocalypse is properly overpowered in this movie good like this dude he basically lets them win like like he shows off a power set in the early
Starting point is 02:12:51 movie that could kill every single person in the x-men universe in one second without any toughness at all and basically and and sabonair man and then then like in the fights that he has with the here like like jobbers like civilians that he just doesn't like will just turn into dust instantaneously but mutants that are trying to murder him he'll like oh i'll bind you you're i'll bind your feet so that you can't so girl i'll punch you so x-men weird mcgeddon it's it's i i feel like they're so used to writing magneto and other characters of that ilk that they take a character that's uber fucking powerful almost like superman levels and they're like they wrote him based on what they just want him to do and not what he can actually do which
Starting point is 02:13:44 is win the movie and minute one the the other problem is it's continuing first class and uh future pasts obsession with jennifer lorence well that's because he's cat by by pushing and he has to have not anymore but yeah he is such a fucking minor character in everything every cat every scene the jennifer lorence is in is written ass backwards in which she is the hero she is the main character and i saw her she is i saw her doing the motivational speech like in like in days of future past like i want to fucking die every time we get it mocking jay we get it this is not that serious the other thing is that in the first three x-men movies she uh like natasha uh whatever remains same as was just used as a crutch because her power was so useful in a movie
Starting point is 02:14:36 context yeah i could be anyone so that was always like that's cheap but whatever makes sense you're making a movie a character that could be anyone is super useful and whatever and past that past the three movies her like her importance should be lessened i heard that storm is actually quite good in this storm is great that's cool because it's about fucking time storm is the other version of that problem from the older movies though yeah the actor starts out doing the role yeah but but that's what happens with the criminal line for most w reviews how the berry storm has been the lisa simpson of the x-men oh my god where she's there but come on yeah no one's really quoting her except for the one really bad quote from x-men one i miss sabertooth when sabertooth gonna come back
Starting point is 02:15:27 god he want he you owe him a scream i oh well i you know i mean it's it's a it's good that the new trilogy is cyclops all right the old trilogy is cyclops all right in quality cyclops is fantastic whoa cool i really i really like look as good as superman's what's that his i beams look like they look a lot better actually but uh well here's the deal what they do with cyclops it's really simple think about sexy thoughts to make his go off if if cyclops is like 16 years old all of a sudden that he's a like a dumbass jock bro idiot meathead yeah okay fine interesting of course okay but like and and he's not opposite wolverine yeah so automatically he's not his lame yeah did you do anything else this week uh are you prepared to collect more birds overwatch and i'm prepared
Starting point is 02:16:20 to collect more birds next week sick but i mean you know yeah are you gonna have to print a new shirt now yes okay yeah yes there will be a new bird that's an outdated shirt quite soon yeah i bought it and it came in the mail and like within a week of me wearing it for the first time a new bird was announced making the shirt worthless damn it there you go you should go see x-men because now i'm more you know i want to go to talk to someone about that thing in the ending i'm curious about that because like i love fucking apocalypse this stupid dude he doesn't have a big dumb a on his bell buckle no i want to see i want to see i love apocalypse is big and he gets huge at one point in the movie but it's a shitty cop out and it's not what you want damn it that sounds great
Starting point is 02:17:04 i want to see alivia munn stunt double yeah she's super cool yeah and did most of the work they cut all the line the jubilee scenes out of that movie oh yeah i forgot that jubilee looks super cool in this movie she has like six lines oh okay fuck and with that she should have been in dead pool and not yeah totally but i would have rather jubilee but it worked out can we take a second to talk about some comic book news that i'm sure you've all seen uh you mean captain america i mean captain america do we really need to we address this on the panel but i guess not i i need to say my two cents because we we did it we did already talk about this is why i don't read superhero comics okay this this thing is the is the ultimate culmination just like death of superman is
Starting point is 02:17:55 of why i don't read superhero comics so so this is the worst thing ever so yes yes all right here's the thing pat yeah congratulations you played yourself i played myself you read three pages in an imager album no i didn't i will i saw a single panel i didn't even read the whole that's even worse and and and and it was and it's issue one of this run that's happening this is the type of thing that goes down that oftentimes almost always doesn't actually mean anything oh so it's even worse it's meant to get the rise of it's not even worse you just need the whole context of the series it's the giga gimmick of the to make you go oh like no woolly like in that snow the worst part no no it's like girl Thor or i should say Thor Thor as she actually is it's the same thing
Starting point is 02:18:46 yes that's the worst the fuck is that i hate that but then you read the series and you're like wait no that's not when you thought it was no no that's exactly what i'm talking about that's the worst thing about superhero comics is that these stories have to go for so long that they have to just change every element of the character and kill them for fucking flash and garbage in order to draw in eyeballs yeah well i will say i will say that welcome to all media no not all media that like what when when media she gets shared by multiple writers you're gonna see these kinds of yeah then don't do that but what i can't say to anyone who is on the side of this is issue one are you saying this is the first issue of captain america and this is issue one of a brand new series yes so it's in its own
Starting point is 02:19:39 continuity that's playing no it's 616 but it's also playing off of the last storyline that just basically set up there's this place called like paradise hill and it's basically where the long story short because we can go on but the cap that's there is an basically an altered reality cap that's not gonna probably likely not gonna turn out to be the real cap in a way oh i'm so interested same cap it's cap but like with his bat his past changed because of another person's powers and we'll see where that goes from there because it's the starting issue and and the writer is usually decent but we don't know where this is gonna go but don't get played by an integer album out of context no i'm not getting played you just don't agree with the thing that i
Starting point is 02:20:23 hate to the listener to the listener don't get riled up so by the marvel there's a right like no woolly hold on hold on hold on hold on one second i have it's very quick you hate the attention grab which is a different thing there's a very about it this is very very quick ed brew breaker who's the guy that basically created the winter soldier storyline hasn't hasn't uh uh uh wrote a captain america story in a couple years now but he is like the captain america writer and lots of people coming on him on twitter saying what the fuck why would you do this and he's like first of all idiots i haven't written cap in a couple years it's not me you're yelling at the young person second of all i know that writer he's very good maybe wait to see what he's gonna do
Starting point is 02:21:07 past issue one maybe wait to see when you watch a really good tv show and they have a stinger at the end that makes you go oh shit either negative or positive whatever maybe wait until issue two see what he does with it it might be worse it might be better it might still be at neutral and me as myself i think it's hilarious i think it's funny to get all these funny things out of that i was gonna say that oh no that's all things aside that's the dankest it's it's a net positive dankest means the entire front page of the reddit because i was like i read the issue also and i thought that was i did too like that's a pretty ballsy and like kind of badass reveal and i hope they go the right way with it now my major thing which i think it sucks one way or another
Starting point is 02:21:56 is that by the end of whatever the storyline is it's either going to be you were hydra and that sucks or you weren't and that's it this entire story is pointless yeah but in terms of and i do agree that as an intention grabbing thing it's like yeah what else could you do that's crazy and weird and we'll get that that'll grab some headlines well that certainly but again i really find it weird to be and we were a little bit wrong like apparently all that dc unit you know like rebirth stuff was actually was revealed to be a lot to be wrong about con that's when they're nonsense especially when they're not even really out yet those are at the very start or whatever it is but like you know lots of writers do stuff like this sometimes well now i'm the writer now i can do
Starting point is 02:22:44 whatever uh whatever i want and whether it's good or it's bad or it's neutral i i always find at the end like the clone saga in spider-man was without a doubt terrible but there's storylines after it that are good so at the end of the day this can like be looked at look down upon when it's finished are they being good or bad or or whatever it was nothing at the end of the day don't knock neil gayman's run on strong guy until you tried it okay this joke is so specific for us because because pat and Liam do not know who strong guy is i don't even know who neil guy i only know who neil gayman is don't know don't knock allen moore's wonder man run until you've actually sat he was he was faking it for 70 years that being said like i think literally yeah saying literally
Starting point is 02:23:35 kill them all peter yes i'm actually glad someone did it after like we had talked about it it's actually cool that way superman was a clone of adolf hitler the whole time here's what i'll say reset the clock because six months from now where there's going to be another controversy that hits the internet when a comic book decides to do something to do something interesting and you're going to see it in an mger album and then everyone's going to go they're doing what and then we'll reset the clock but you're still not wrong in that this is another attention grabbing let's kill superman i can't believe how dismissive you are of it's more just it's more like i'm not getting riled up seriously when you're saying it's the worst thing ever to happen to captain america no
Starting point is 02:24:17 that's not what you said what about when he turned into a werewolf for 12 issues and he was called cap cap wolf who's who's where that's worse the outrage that account what cap you're gonna say that it's awesome isn't it at least be consistent you're not gonna say he was actually a wolf the whole time for 70 years maybe i don't remember he was a wolf as soon as the guy with the powers changed his backstory and his past so that he became a there's way worse stuff let me let me tone it down and try and get like be more reasonable and try to get my point actually across because i'm being so like pissy that like it's not it's like when i see this panel all i can think of is not i want to read it or i wonder what that's about the first thought that hits my brain is i wonder how long it
Starting point is 02:25:03 will take them to run this back or this is like just the this is going to get run back and it's just a naked attention grab that actually will mean nothing in the long run and when the first thing that i ever think about your story is how much it doesn't matter that story sucks and it's terrible it's the soap opera issue when you have your long running infinite tail like just it is the soap opera issue i can i can understand and like that's why i don't read like the like your your your average like superhero comic or any really because like how could i ever ever get invested in something where nothing matters at all ever it's that and how there's no finality in others i mean we're running back at the discussion we've had multiple times but it's
Starting point is 02:25:50 it's that what matters is what's contained in those six issues that are done by this person and it's not that the the closure is what the end of that so when you start that run do you just pretend that captain america is a new character no no you just know i want to see from his origins i really like steven king i would like to read steven king's run on whatever character not steven king or whoever i want to see that interpretation if that's the one you like then that's the one you hold to your heart and that's the one that then you say that you like if you don't like that one then see this guy's interpretation of it if you like that character enough like say cap is kind of bland and the other reason why i think this gets so blown out of proportion is that captain america
Starting point is 02:26:31 has literally in his entire life even during the height of world war two never been this popular and with the advent of the internet you can't uh this is blown way amount of proportion then when captain america was a disgusting lizard man for like a couple of months or a werewolf or a whatever answer a bit of your question though like this it's very similar to watching a tv show where things go back to the status quo episode of the simpsons you don't really think about their full backstory every episode you just think about the fact that they're a family or scrubs or something or they're working at a hospital you know the default state and so you open up the new run with the default state of this is the character's backstory and how he came to be a hero and then
Starting point is 02:27:09 you just go kind of go from there you know like and then at the end of the run that's where you just go all right no that was a story if you really like dardo simpsons is actually a really apt yeah comparison i think i think it's a terrible one because the simpsons isn't a narrative based television show it's a comedy but they reference things that happened in the past and sure but you're not watching simpsons for like ripping air snowball dead forever is snowball dead to is snowball two dead forever yeah totally that's sure or in future rama you'll have new characters show up and become part of the cast but they're part of the default that that state at that point it's like if you like dardo the really like the the the moveset of matt murdoch like let's let's
Starting point is 02:27:47 say he's a fighting game character do you want to see him in a gritty like cinematic universe then watch the show do you would you rather be him be in a go lucky fun guy that doesn't have that many problems in his life read this guy's particular run if you want him to be really gritty and on over the top then read frank miller because that's all you'll get from frank so it's just one of those things where it just depends on what you feel and you and you know like i will always champion things like gravity falls where there's a start beginning and an end for sure that's the best type of medium okay it's the best type of package for a gift for a story but there's still good stories that don't have let me let me let me change the the the scope of this then like and maybe this is
Starting point is 02:28:34 my core misunderstanding like how many different rewrites of fan fiction can you read about the same character before getting bored what's it's not i mean it's it's no longer fan fiction you know what i mean as long as it's not the creator it absolutely i'll tell you what if i was by monthly's of like a given character for like years and years and years i'd get so that's like saying final fantasy sevens fan fiction like what the hell i'd have to because it's not the original writer of final fantasy it's true they're all completely separate self-contained stories with no continuity nonetheless like there's no nonetheless that's like that okay well it's like saying to city is fan fiction it is it's not canon it is you said it was canon fiction oh you're you mean
Starting point is 02:29:18 spiritually unlike related to the first writer but it's not saying crisis core is fan fiction and more or less is but it's not anyway this is this is that you're anyway that point it doesn't matter because the the gist of what you're saying though about the whole thing about getting bored i'd say that does apply and i would say that i personally that if you're getting bored what's less boring than steve rogers going hell hydra yeah i personally would say that like i can enjoy things by diving into something interesting occasionally as opposed to following every issue you know like if i was out trying to buy every every book every x-men book every single month or whatever the case it reminds me when i when i when i look some people do that and those guys
Starting point is 02:30:03 reminds me and i looked up like civil god bless the original civil war in in regards to the movie and i was just like because i didn't know how the distribution worked right because i don't buy comics and i looked up and it was like okay well civil war is happening in these 18 or 19 yeah okay okay perfect yeah that's a good okay and i'm looking at this and like how the fuck am i supposed to follow the story of civil war yeah so i'll tell you exactly what i did because i was buying those as they came out right that seems like they're a new crazy when it happened when civil war was happening i went to the comic shop and bought my singles and it was very simple you'd walk over to the row and you'd see all the civil war comics have a very distinct cover where okay they're actually
Starting point is 02:30:45 denoted denoted exactly it has a it has the half of it is white and then the top half is the picture and then civil war in the white frame on beneath it and then you'll see like this is another character another specific um um side story that's taking place during this timeline like and so therefore it'll it'll have that same graphic design style to indicate that it's happening in this timeline and and things that our reference tier might show up in the main line are you interested in what the punisher was doing in civil war well here's just one issue of what the punisher was doing if you don't care about it you don't need to read it but it was just an interesting side story so i saw side quest i saw all of those with that same half and half cover and i just picked up the
Starting point is 02:31:26 ones that said civil war one two three four five six okay and that was enough for me and i think you didn't go for the full fucking spread because that seemed like complete i didn't need it and same thing with planet hulk it was like i you don't need that was a similar thing if there's a big lead up to planet hulk and then there's the big finale out in world war hulk but there's so much side shit that you don't need but it's like just read the main one and you're good enough from there okay so here that's okay well see i i admit that i'm unreasonable i get too upset about this but like now you feel like you're missing details no now we're into the real reason why this drives me crazy i can't deal with a story like that you can't just you can't just ignore those things no you
Starting point is 02:32:09 need the whole continuous proper complete story right but like the other story is on the other that's why they're so good for people who are into that because you get such a breath of stuff you know it's it's the two sides of the same coin i can definitely say that that would be a unique problem to uh you and that you could go forever just going on those little boxes that say see issue blank for backstory what the sky's talking about absolutely you can change that i i like legitimately cannot go to tv tropes i can't do it because if i do like you know the wikipedia problem like oh boy wiki death yeah i need to know uh we haven't started the news okay what's new what's news let's try to do it in a reasonable time frame and give it all justice ibuki's cool
Starting point is 02:32:59 she looks great really never gonna play her i'm really happy with the design compromise totally yeah it's great kind of an interesting design definitely let's go with her student and it makes sense because i'll keep her being a ninja to being a ninja in third strike and but now she's still a student yeah it makes perfect sense uh a bit shitty that she's not hitting in may that she's coming with the july story update uh oh that was that was just confirmed uh wait shot in may or like then who's coming on june her with the story update because you said July oh did i pardon me pardon me and it got a lot more dire coming out with the story update it's unclear if someone else will also come out i put on her because it's they're they they're supposed to
Starting point is 02:33:43 someone because it was a combo breaker that somebody forgot to remove the scheduling off use they said one a month and it was supposed to be a character well not just the end of the month not just the video they they put out charts they put out a bunch of stuff but then is a second character coming out unclear that's weird yeah that means they're falling behind in that case so as far as the what the trailer shows us um the limited kunai but you can spend it all at one stuff is interesting that's a little bit of benchy bank shishigami going on there it would be strong too if you could like you can reliably confirm into that kind of thing yeah that's not the real scary shit though the real scary shit is her float that air dash cross up and the bomb yeah
Starting point is 02:34:29 because right away the bomb just like nadeshko or um syrax yeah right yeah it's a lot of syrax compresses and you look at that and it's just like okay block string into bomb dash through the guy what side is the on bomb blows up take your free reset i i believe this is you only you only get like one though because it's your tree trigger that's why i said like nadeshko but it's so good i believe this is called shenanigans she i'm calling her a trap queen yeah she's back and it seems like vortex ain't gonna work anymore because we've got quick cook ups yeah but fuck it no that type of shaking they gave her standing vortex and and her and she's got a a chun li style dash diagonal above your head for crossing and she does naruto moves with a float
Starting point is 02:35:15 to mix it up when she needs to so likes naruto yo he's got options he's got tons of options um yeah super looks amazing her her her her like palm fist grab thing is just turning more and more into a resengan yeah that's clear every day uh so right on with that i can break the ball now so sorry i'm jumping ahead but since it's still on a fighting game related thing i have i have the docket okay but fatal fury yeah yeah okay just make sure yes we're there we're going through it we're going through it so second was the gargoyle trailer that we i mean we talked a little about gargoyle earlier so there was a trailer for gargoyle but but uh the trailer is not the trailer is one of the weaker ones i thought it's one of the weak ones not sure because there's so much to
Starting point is 02:35:55 show off of gargoyle that they didn't have time to put it in or they just didn't show it i found his song didn't have as much impact as i find very few of the season three songs have as much yeah the riff in gargoyle's thing which is already an omen's theme omen's theme has gargoyle's guitar rift in it and that's fucking incredible but until i hear like the actual music which i haven't been able to like play like yeah it's not as impactful his wind pose is boss it is a godlike wind pose it is fucking boss pretty good i liked i thought i felt that the best wind pose in the game was spinels but that fucking takes it yeah full gore is pretty close behind too yeah uh then we have the team fiddle fury trailer for the king of fighters yes and it definitely uh it shows off
Starting point is 02:36:46 the new stage and this this is in time with the 36 character build uh was just dropped so we got to see some of the new ultras or whatever the super desperation moves terry's is the fucking coolest like i love it i love uh uh uh joes as well why does andy still look like shit like compared to joe and terry their models are just better andy has not improved since we made i think he looks slightly worse andy has less uh accessories and things on him that make him a character so he's like long hairedman i feel like it's so you just kind of see the the model for what it is raw and naked i feel like the front of his hair is really one of the problems like it looks really poor it's not like a six or seven head like yeah he looks like otherwise looks good the terry's desperation
Starting point is 02:37:40 move is like the best coolest angle i've ever seen on anything terry's ever done yeah totally the shot got me hyped actually the shot in the trailer too of like the the background in the beginning looked good and i felt like when i pan down to the four not the foreground but the closer this the of people standing in the background got the more i was like oh no just show us that background with no one there it looks like a real it's a real bout stage it definitely does it looks like big bear stage in real about either real bout or big bear stage some of the trucks are so there there's that uh and then we have another fighting game uh related trailer and this one's from digital uh from devolver we have their new game absolver uh by slow clap a para studio and this
Starting point is 02:38:21 looks like a fighting game but the person the camera on it is uh kind of like where hellblades camera is i was gonna say i didn't make it online this was a big online multiplayer it's an online combat game i saw online fighting game quite a bit it seems like there's there's definitely a lot of customization going on with your character but you're going to build your character up i see you guys like like like like stabbling through your phones to get to it but what it is yeah i saw it before i just want to yeah so you you create your it seems like you create your character customize their looks and their moveset and then take them online i'm not sure if you agree but the way i think this looks like it looks like it plays like strength of the sword ultimate where
Starting point is 02:38:58 you basically run from fight to fight and you have a little bit of free reign to go to the next area that's what i get from it the pacing of the side steps and some of the kicks and attacks and movements back and forth is also reminiscent of uh chivalry so it's like i was gonna say i thought some of the animations in the trailer did you just say chivalry in terms of chivalry medieval combat i did if i had dog ears they'd be perking up right now i did say that so we'll see where this goes only we'll see where that well we don't know can i hit a button in the trailer and have a guy just choose your combat pick your weapon yeah so yeah can i hit a button and have some guys scream his ass to death about agatha possibly it's possible i hope not i really like the look of the
Starting point is 02:39:46 characters yeah i was gonna say is like it looks like like i don't know like red steel two or wack food or something like that i like the idea of devolver having a lineup of games that are like ruiner absorber and so on and so forth yeah devolver all stars yeah get backers by devolvers yeah so that's that's uh that's what's going on way out of nowhere it looks like the most high budget maybe aside from shadow warrior game that that devolver has um yeah uh and and again i love the name slow clap studios yeah slow clap studio is a good name um we have got the follow-up to last week's story in that uh now blizzard's basically trying to crack down on the overwatch porn fuck that
Starting point is 02:40:36 i thought the usa was free boycott blizzcon i will now the one the one thing i can't say here that like like makes it make sense is no only going after the people that ripped models but those are the best videos they're not they're not going after the hand-drawn art so it seems like they're they really don't want people to google and then just have some kids see some shit and go why would they render that um i find it really weird that they're going after this stuff for overwatch and they never did for any of their other properties i think and i think this is because it's the most because they hit critical mass yeah and it is definitely 100 percent you that you can google any character from overwatch in the first result
Starting point is 02:41:30 and if you're safe so safe search filters off you're gonna see i have i have had maybe six people bring this story up to me what since it happened going here what do you think of this and every single time i just said the same thing and that's good luck yeah it's not gonna walk in you can good luck remember when ken levin asked people not to make porn of elizabeth yeah and then people how i mean so well yeah and i i started a few yeah i was the voice actor i really do think they're just they're just trying to get their image search just just bad form all around well it doesn't even matter because it never works and make it legit you know like free free i understand what you're trying to do but you ain't gonna do it you ain't gonna do it in fact you fighting
Starting point is 02:42:15 against it only makes it stronger yeah it gains bigger yeah it's kind of sad really kind of sad how sad oh wow this is a oh oh sad as an anime fan i love how the ceo of indy creates comes out that's the doc and is just like what the the docket isn't the trailer who can the trailer the docket is the fact that the worst thing about that guy called is like unforgivable it's like the gameplay is fine yeah but then they make it look bad but yeah but the actual con like the voice over it goes from passable when he's explaining mechanics to like what the fuck are you i refer to it as bone eater cringe where it goes past your bone level to the core of your marrow the worst bit is the last trailer was in the same kind of style yeah but it didn't blow up because
Starting point is 02:43:12 it wasn't as overt and they just went further with my favorite my favorite thing is i watched this with a friend of mine no no i showed this to you first it was like you know i have well you said i haven't seen the trailer yet i'm like you need to watch this trailer oh god yeah i showed it i showed something okay sure but you looked at it and you literally made a couple of noises like um let's just record our video for the day but isn't like like cry like an anime fan on prom night is the line right yeah isn't there an anime of this coming out something no it's a some cartoon isn't aren't they trying to get anime fans in thank god you know actually thank jesus christ the lord and savior for brennan williams the great black attack yeah for tweeting out don't worry anime fans
Starting point is 02:43:59 i'll take you all to prom oh that's a that's a i was glad this trailer exists just for that that's the bit of the trailer that like kind of confuses me the most because like i think the trailer is bad don't get me wrong i think the trailer is absolutely bad but you sure because you know the trailer is bad the trailer is bad but like it's a launch that joke is solid and if we would have if we would have made that joke independently of this people would it would have been a good i think it's a solid joke and another property not this one yeah in a different context but that i'm just surprised so many people are like really like like fake offended by it you know but isn't there an actual anime for this thing coming out it's a cartoon but is there is there much of a
Starting point is 02:44:40 difference i mean that's not japanese which you know it's not japanese isn't red ash getting one i don't know something is getting so i thought what i'm just saying like i thought it was actually a solid joke the trailer was fucking awful but i thought that was a good gag like i just i didn't think it was funny i don't know but i think i think and again and again i'll stand by if if this trailer didn't exist and we had made that joke i think we all think that was a good joke that joke in that context i don't think but we wouldn't have said anime fan no no you know what i mean i don't think i would have said blaze blue as we talk about joke exactly we would have been even better i don't like weebs or something i don't think that joke would have been made in regards to
Starting point is 02:45:20 like a property that people were like already furious that it hadn't come out yet and were like there are people there are people that like back to this with money and are in some form of annoyance or like yeah mild anger that then feel like the game just spat on them and i would not begrudge them for being so no i'm just saying i think that that was a solid gag like i know a lot of people don't i think the trailer was awful i'm not saying the trailer was good the first thing about the gag i think the gag in its context is god awful yeah the first thing that said no absolutely i got to the airport and like i brought it out and like that was like it's like the trailer was made just in case there were any stragglers that didn't hate the game already they had to really just get
Starting point is 02:46:04 you all on over i have like two little points is that maybe aside from just a bit of the sidescrolling action when they're like you can dash all over your dick dash dash dash when it shows those explosions the game looks like the shittiest piece of crap it looks bad when it has those shots of those explosions where the camera is turning and everyone's just taking random textures of pizza and putting it over and there's very discernible difference i'm like why would you choose those shots like it makes the game look bad those shots about how apparently there's still like 13,000 people that haven't picked a console for i haven't yeah the console select so they extended a little bit or whatnot oh i have multiple emails that originally needed respect my last point sorry
Starting point is 02:46:48 really quickly willy is that like the captain america of fucking hell hydra thing is amazing because now he says i pre-ordered mighty number nine in lieu of hell hydra which i laugh my ass off when i saw so that that inti creates ceo going urus and i in his tweet yeah that part was amazing is like like i because that just i'm like that's amazing and it's just like i feel it in the pit of my gut that it's like this game it just can't get out the door without more controversy yeah so at this point something more pile more on it's got to be like the unluckiest game that has come to completion of video games that's a really good like distinction in the history of video games more unlucky but they never got finished ever actually got to the out the door like aside from
Starting point is 02:47:38 everything i'm sure it inti creates or whoever would not have okayed this trailer if they had a say in it because clearly they were unhappy with it and clearly this was uploaded to deep silvers youtube like that's where it originated from and like clearly someone over there just didn't get the memo that maybe you shouldn't do this maybe just maybe not do it like this maybe maybe we're past 1999 style commercials for this type of shit and this i feel like that's what they thought this was awesome type of voice and shit doesn't work who thinks that's cool who looks at the product with that voice over and it's sold on that yeah and even when it was at the height of its stupid popularity it was still kind of stupid it was still lame then like that works
Starting point is 02:48:25 for strafe it feels like they got out like oh they like not if you're being ironic it works no it feels like they like like like not paul marketing but like granddad marketing and they're like all right sell this product yeah you know and he's like oh we'll do it the way we did in my day boys you know get out the toad no it's it's just perplexing urban dictionary for the latest lingo i literally ignore it and then use lingo from 1996 are you ready to get turnt it doesn't make any fucking sense how how they thought this trailer was adequate it's just fucking ridiculous so there's i really like that point this game cannot get a break in terms all right oh it can't but the combo keeps going because lockout you couldn't break it mega man animated series announced
Starting point is 02:49:15 and now there's more details i'm looking at this mighty number nine survey like desperate thing in my email there's no link to the real survey oh you might have to check the one that came before yeah you might have to roll back one i think it's actually just directing you to the previous one because a lot of people didn't put their thing in okay okay so so so all we saw prior to this was the announcement that there's going to be a mega man animated series and then that little piece of weird art right and then that got photoshopped to high at hell and high water so that's all fine and dandy but then we got the descriptions of what's going to be happening in the story uh being put together by densu entertainment and we know that it's going to be focusing on acky light a
Starting point is 02:49:55 regular everyday kid who happens to be a schoolboy robot kind of reminds me of the on comics and they're in their approach to things however there's a tiny robot we do have confirmation that new characters like mega mini will make their debut lives inside mega man mega mini is a little mega mini mega man that lives inside his head and uh is going to be influencing his decisions and he'll be it's his little buddy in his head oh and rush is also i have no problem i have no problem with a little support character but you can make that cooler than zero cool and upon closer inspection because you clearly didn't look last time everyone saw the art right you saw this art pat right you saw the weird mega man art he looks a little weird but what you didn't do was zoom in on his head
Starting point is 02:50:43 because you didn't catch that mega mega mini right there coming out of his front light thing it looks stupid there's mega mini looks really stupid so that's the animated mega mass series are they putting this out just to make mighty number lot nine look even dumber now no it's just like hey it should make it look better no because it's like hey nerds you were stupid forever caring about mega man life and the worst part to me is there's if they just use the normal everyday boring mega man art there's no reason to change him no one would have had anything to say but yeah all right let's see it happen god damn decide it's been it's the same shit we've seen for 25 30 years now literally 30th anniversary anyway you know what have an intro with that mega man have
Starting point is 02:51:30 like the little intro like the little minute 30 intro show all the new characters just cut to footage of x4 cut scenes that's the actual show i'll watch it uh okay and then that's did you cash out your damage or is there more combos well we we we've we've reset so like we we broke it out of the combo and you did a backflip and we're starting a new one because there's more adaptations okay sure so the next adaptation we're going into is mirror's edge because everyone demanded it we're getting a live action mirror's edge show and i don't know what to think or feel because parkour is cool but i feel like the story has like not enough thin of a story should have been sketch comedy to support all this way should have been a short film yeah embers should have been embers
Starting point is 02:52:24 straight to dvd it and you're fine i thought ea was done with this like let's make tv shows and comic books and movies out of our things literally like yeah but quantum break just happened no but all right all right we're not done combo continues we've got confirmation of live action jojo rumored yeah yeah yeah rumored i must say other than don't do this this is a terrible idea i can't wait for the pig licking your ass scene all right do this this needs to happen read my favorite thing about non-hollywood adaptations of stuff is they're super easy to forget about and ignore oh that's my favorite thing about them when they're amazing never but is this you'll never forget about them you're right it's but when they're terrible you'll never
Starting point is 02:53:14 remember it's never happened this will make for a couple funny animated guests that you see in like 11 years yeah what the fuck is that it's like oh it was that live action jojo is this rumor even based on a hollywood adaptation it's not hollywood japan oh okay there you go you know like did you see the cutie honey live action i did okay well yeah he probably would have actually i would have i love cutie honey did you see the gacha man live action i did not that's not really either of those things happened doesn't cutie honey is a real that that was not happening she's a cutie and a honey uh and then finally together at last then we've got the confirmation our this is confirmed not a rumor that the full metal alchemist live action film is in the works for 2017 continuing on an email
Starting point is 02:53:57 is that hollywood or is that as japan as japan so you're so right in that it's so easy to forget about just plow past so if you want to send us an email that's a super best friend we're not done yet oh okay because like you said continuing on to like the last one we're not done yet okay last bad news so you want to you want to talk a little bit about the fact everyone's like oh thank god it's this made with japanese actors even though that's also wrong because alphonse and edward l rick are the most european motherfucker arian looking they are that literally finish off the not brotherhood version tell that the fucking attack on titan with amongst the nazis they are literally hang out with nazis they are literally arian germans yeah like yeah like again the attack on titan movie
Starting point is 02:54:41 like yeah if they were if they were a caucasian actors i'd also be like this also feels weird which is another reason why you should not do this maybe you should just not do this maybe that's a better idea i don't even know if but japan wouldn't make a japanese movie with not japanese actors in it as the main because that's stupid that's weird even if they're not supposed to be the exact same thing it's like an interesting role i've actually said it's stupid just stick to your anime is japan do what you're good at find english speaking i'm in japanese speaking like western kids and fucking do it oh yeah all 12 well they'll get the job they won't lose oh no scottie what if you are the drowning now scottie with the baby rain oh god yeah yeah oh no jsonny is dead
Starting point is 02:55:37 we've got the pulse that uh no man's second no man's sky has been delayed shocking and that death threats were made did you see the no man's sky subreddit dude the top thread was like the vilest oh no will he give me your thing about this what is the point of no man's sky it's the most peaceful story about doing exploring and discovering things in a nice way where you barely have to fight it all the the top thread fucking kill that guy the top thread on the subreddit is delay debacle and what we do from here oh wow it's a month and a half delay how about you sit on your ass and play another great game there there are people so i don't know if you know but uh jason schreyer i believe was the one who originally leaked that this game was getting delayed right
Starting point is 02:56:30 there are people on the subreddit and on the internet who are convinced that because jason schreyer leaked it they panicked and delayed the game oh god this yeah that doesn't make any sense that journalists manufactured it there's the other one where there were uh there were game stops getting uh like dates uh that were like two days after the release date yeah and there are people saying oh well the delay was the delay that jason schreyer heard about was meant to be two days but because of the leak they panicked and pushed it back an extra month it's not a real thing that happened anyway i think that the whole death threat that against it's like if i just say fuck you i hate you for delaying this i want to play it now that's not going to get attention no
Starting point is 02:57:11 so you got to do no the internet's been i'm gonna find you or whatever because that's what people post um they're posts on the playstation blog that are like where do i cancel my pre-order and it's like it's dude it's a month and a half a month and a half and like let's not forget this is a this is a game that is being made at a studio that had there in people or no that's not where i'm going with it but yes it's a relatively small team but like remember early in development of this game like their entire studio just completely flooded and was totally destroyed some stuff like you know what you get a guilt-free entire year to delay the game after something like that you know like guilt-free you should for this game that when it comes out you'll be playing for months if not
Starting point is 02:57:57 the rest of the year for the rest of your life in theoretical infinity because of the size and scale of the fucking thing i'll admit that when some games get heavy delays like a year that's tough for anybody like scale bound was a bummer that was that was a big delay certain zelda games what have you didn't kind of already get super delayed as well yeah but no really cared yeah that's okay it's like pushed to august from February we all play it when it's on we stopped getting bummed by delays because a lot of shit came out there's too much stuff but also like guess what the game's gonna be better for it i can but and a month or half is like most like not worse for sure a month and a half is most likely pre-cert issues or maybe a little bit of balance it's a mission
Starting point is 02:58:37 it's not that much server stuff but like when it's a year or more like i get it i get it like if it's a really you know project lots of people have their eyes on but like a month and a half really really and lastly we've got the um this is a really good catch uh by a neogaf uh browser poster that caught that on the officially through website under there's the categories that you can search for and one of them is xbox one virtual reality yeah and there were four companies listed under that all right so this folds in all that scorpio shit and it's basically the idea being the code name for the next xbox yeah the idea is that they're they're going actually like kind of crazy on the power end of this thing why not because it'll incorporate rift support so the
Starting point is 02:59:22 four companies i i just want to point out on on e3 company registrants in the past this isn't something that got brought up in the thread because i don't think a lot of people cared about it for the vita but for the vita at e3 for multiple years in a row there were companies that registered like rebellion who never made any software for the machine okay so it doesn't actually it yeah well it could not mean it could mean something okay definitely it definitely could mean something it means when you combine it with other it doesn't mean that all four of these are guaranteed a lock it means they're taking a look and then that'd be inside it could mean nothing because the rebel like rebellion on vita is a good example because it was like two years in already
Starting point is 03:00:06 we better have a product ready in case this thing is a thing we don't know if it's things so let's just kind of let's just maybe put our name on it anyway as far as the thought exercise goes yeah go on totally you've got maximum games so they made farming simulator and the tons of multi-plat stuff big huge players you've got rebellion they made battle zone oh oh look it's rebellion it's not really yeah i love that you went and use that example so many times and that's one of the fucking names little it's like they are they are doing i love it i love it there's a new company that's like readily and like it that from what people looked into it just seems to be like a bunch of 3d modelers that okay so that's no game yet yeah nothing necessarily there
Starting point is 03:00:54 and um what was the other one 3d rudder uh being uh by basically this the foot controller that lets you play vr while sitting down and lean your little foot thing in all directions to control where you're walking and stuff those guys are involved as well so we will see if this means anything yeah or nothing but it's a good catch definitely yeah no for sure um i don't know i obviously they've had the talks because all oculus rifts are bundled with an xbox one pad so obviously microsoft's and oculus are you know comfortable enough with each other to do that i would not be surprised if if xbox one not even like a revision like like the rumored scorpio and stuff but xbox one baseline i wouldn't be surprised if it's supported vr my only takeaway is that
Starting point is 03:01:45 whatever you come out with it better be called the scorpio because that name the code names are never as cool as when they actually come out and you can you can use the um the the sign for it too and everything yeah you can have a little like scorpion tail if you want as well what are we razor yeah like seriously i want dumb sports logos and names the razor hydra well honestly at this that's a product the way this podcast is going it might as well be produced by razor yeah yeah uh if you have got presented by razor you've got a cool uh production name for your console you can send it razor should just sell fedoras with green leds online like the super best friend green sunglasses at gmail.com that's super best friend cast at gmail.com says the
Starting point is 03:02:36 the best friend zaibatsu yeah um i want to tip my samurai hat to you yeah and uh my black with green led samurai hat that's right so you say that but well he's thinking about how cool the fan art started yeah i'm sure yeah i saw one yeah she was on point that was good um okay and actually your plan's working perfectly how much do i owe you for that i like what i i like i like when i trip over into something that's perfectly coordinated me yeah um all right actually i want to applaud uh what i think are a good series of questions this week cool compared hey everyone who had questions before this week you saw is what woolly said that's correct yeah we'd be the first time we say that um mr vasquez says how do you feel about companies businesses or developers
Starting point is 03:03:32 and so on repeatedly using kickstarter as their primary source of funding can you think of a situation where it's not appropriate to come back to kickstarter after you've succeeded um no i think it's a perfectly valid thing to do because if you're in a situation where your game didn't make enough money to make another game and you don't want to give ownership of your uh ip to a company you don't want to land in an unfavorable deal i think it's absolutely valid to go back to kickstarter and if you don't support that don't pay for it so and if enough people agree with you they won't back it but i think it's totally valid because you can land in that ugly mire where you make a good kickstarter game but it might not take off and then you suddenly are back where you were because you
Starting point is 03:04:17 you basically took say say you got 10 000 sales worth of kickstarter money yeah you just spent 10 000 sales so worth of kickstarter money your game on the other side is gonna potentially not sell those 10 000 and have to work around what you can sell from the remainder of of viable fans you know i think the ideal uh route for a lot of companies or what they're what people would hope for is that you use the kickstarter to get off the ground and then from then on you'll be able to well that's the ideal well i if you can get a good deal ideally yeah but like also but ultimately like i think it's valid to to just want to do that to want to have 100 ownership so i think it's valid but they shouldn't be surprised if and when there is backlash definitely any blowback should be
Starting point is 03:05:06 expected yeah but if you decide to go that route you have to that's a risky route for your studio if you have permanent employees you know what i mean like like you're trying to get your dated dear daily bread off of this yeah and you're relying on the card funding solution it's risky mighty number nine i think like or uh our bloodstain or ukulele come out and let's say there's some type of buzz or a general idea that it was quite successful in some shapewear form like let's say some metrics were just released like we sold you know like you know three million copies that's pretty good from any sort of like the budget especially when kickstarter one if you then go back to kickstart for a sequel ukulele two blood or stained gut stain what have you yeah then like
Starting point is 03:05:52 people need to start asking questions well we thought it was successful well it saw some of your your your pie chart about what your costs were and then you can start asking questions from there on it kind of goes both ways too because it you know if say bloodstain right it raised five point whatever million dollars right like they do have to sell a good amount of units to make back five point something million i think they'll do it no problem but like a big chunk of that's going to go to deep silver as well and so for them to be able to independently do that it might be tricky and i think double finds the best example where we're in the double fine in the um in the documentary the documentary um justin bailey specifically says who's the who's the financial
Starting point is 03:06:36 coo at the time he said um that broken age was to be a big part of double finds future finances and it it didn't end up being and so i think you know for stuff like massive chalice they they you know may not have had a choice and you know for psychonauts as well it might have come down to like splitting the brand with someone else totally so i think they should cancel all of those and just put all the money into gang beasts so uh the two examples that i usually use and actually fit particularly well for this example is the harebrained schemes making the shadow run games and obsidian making pillars of eternity shadow run came out was good but it wasn't great dragonfall came out and was fantastic and then they said well we can totally pay for another
Starting point is 03:07:25 shadow run game we're gonna make one with hong kong but we're gonna do an all stretch goal kickstarter right we have the money to pay for it we totally own it and this kickstarter and this game is going to come out period but it is only for stretch goals and that game got a shit ton of stretch goals as a result um for pillars of eternity uh that was like very famously like obsidian was about to go under they just had a round of layoffs and if that kickstarter went poorly they were done yeah and it did it was a massive success and the game literally turned their company yeah and the game's great and uh it the steam spy data says that it sold pretty well not earth shattering but it sold fine and there they then announced their next rp g was going to
Starting point is 03:08:10 be tyranny which is uh going to be under the umbrella of the paradox interactive publishing deal but for pillars they were really really adamant that they did not want a publisher to own that ip and because like the the Bethesda deal and all that shit that fell through is what fucked them in the first place yeah and not having their own ips to fall back on and then when asked about pillars of eternity to uh fergus i believe fergus urkhardt yeah at a recent panel was like oh pillars of attorney two is totally happening of course it's happening what are you what are you kidding me we're probably gonna go back to kickstarter and i bet it will be a situation like the shadow run one where it's like listen we can totally bankroll the game and the game like pillars
Starting point is 03:08:54 of eternity will come out you guys want to but it's more about you guys want to stretch goal this into infinite and do you want to make sure that we keep the that brand for us forever so that if you know paradox seems nice they seem to have a good working relationship but i bet paradox owns the tyranny ip for sure and i don't blame them at all i think that's totally reasonable for your business now there's people that are gonna be saying like well i don't need to do that well it's like well then don't and just either don't back at her or just buy the game when it comes out but it but it has to you know i mean if it if it isn't the kickstarter if it isn't the stretch goals it was the full game like fuck that that was a huge massive like one of the but i don't know
Starting point is 03:09:36 like successes ever but put yourself as a yeah but that that brought them from broke to on their feet okay like like put yourself in his put yourself in his situation where a publisher doesn't want to back you because you're unreliable for a seller which you absolutely are and you don't have money and your employees are gone so you have to kickstart it's not your first choice evidently it wasn't you look at the documentary that was their like hail mirror very well documented it was their last choice so they do the first kickstarter great they make a bunch of money but you know they sell to pay their employees yeah and the money is like keeping the lights on and at the end of the day they're back in more or less the same situation with a bit more security with
Starting point is 03:10:15 some security for six months to a year but like who are you to say that they're not allowed to do kickstarter again because it doesn't feel right you know like they're they're people too and they now there are a solution that might not necessarily be going to Bethesda and asking hey don't fuck us this time please don't fuck us again now that being said the question is like are there situations in which this could be uh not appropriate and absolutely yeah like red ash i think that everyone is on the agreement that red ash was like the worst timing absolutely like what are you doing yeah what do you fucking do are you crazy oh totally and say say a game gets so big that it's like minecraft big and then they go to kickstarter like shut up yeah like like if like if tomorrow we get on
Starting point is 03:11:04 and blizzards kickstarting again right yeah that shut shut the fuck up another one i mean they're allowed i'm not gonna say they're not allowed i won't break it another one like you can clearly tell the difference like if way forward goes on kickstarter a kickstarter for shovel night too and it looks exactly like shovel night there's new bosses you sold over a million copies your your your budget last time was this but if a shovel night two or a super shovel night or a shovel night 64 comes out and it's like a gorgeous 3d platformer okay i can definitely see we know yaw club there's six people i can see where that money makes sense it's a it's basically breaks down to a sliding scale of poverty and acceptability on one end right and richness and unacceptability
Starting point is 03:11:55 on the other end and there's a there's a middle ground and i think the middle ground is maybe at the 40 percent mark at which point it starts to become like a little like ah come on and in the 80 90 percent range everyone just goes you need to get out of here i i definitely think there's ones that feel more inappropriate than others like red ash was jumping ridiculous beyond jumping the shark like we took a shark and i'm glad that game is funded and i'm looking forward to playing it whenever it comes out disaster scan but that was a really wrong order of events and i think it's very crude to have a blanket statement of you can't come back or you shouldn't come back uh mr vazquez i mean i think the ultimate answer to your question really good question is that
Starting point is 03:12:37 that's a question i think the ultimate answer though is uh when it when it's inappropriate you'll find out in about 30 days whatever feels right in your heart yeah you gotta you gotta point possibly 60 possibly 14 depending uh micho's asking if uh okay so hey super wrong friends i saw your silverware discussion and i've been trying to think of protagonists or situation movies or things like that where the main protagonist is just absolutely wrong do you have a good example and you can ignore god of war because fuck kratos i agree about tony stark right memento memento is the first thing that came to mind for me the protagonist is just in the wrong he's the bad he's the bad you're in the wrong uh the second
Starting point is 03:13:20 thing that came to mind was dead space extraction yeah you are just wrong and there's nothing else to say about it what do you mean dead space extraction you play multiple characters in that game uh the main first one no you like each chapter is a different character so i don't know what okay i guess i'm thinking of them the first chapter the first chapter yes you are wrong i'm wrong to do anything yeah i'm thinking of i'm thinking of the first chapter you are mistaken in that character in that character's arc um then and yeah but but yeah memento's a really strong one uh ff tactics advance the main character was super right oh you i will fight you to the villain super wrong i will fight you you son of a bitch that's i i really
Starting point is 03:14:09 like marsh is a psychopath i i really like their conflict i think it's really i think the fact that people are still having this argument all these years later is totally fascinating are you familiar with that conflict holy i didn't i didn't beat tactics so in tactics i played it but i stopped you don't need to advance you go into the magic fantasy world of evil east right yeah and your friend who is wheelchair bound in real life becomes the fucking like prince or king of evil it's oh and you rip him back into the real world and marsh is like no we have to go back to the real world yeah yeah yeah yeah i remember this everyone's response is no we don't why and like it's it's it's you know it's a good it's a really good conflict in every in every story like gravity
Starting point is 03:14:51 falls has a situation like this and like everyone's like we have to go back to the real world you can't just live your whole life in a dream world and the answer is like well why not it's like well because there's this thing you have to do but in ff tactics advanced there's nothing that they have they're like orphans or something yeah they're live suck and they're just regular kids it's so well written so it's like fucking nuts i love that story why can't i live my whole fucking life in a fantasy yeah what's what's it mean to fucking you like that's why it's so fucking interesting yeah it's such a well-written story it's crazy no that that is you remember and ride to hell how his dad purposely did all this bullshit that would always go on to his kids and fuck them over
Starting point is 03:15:29 and then jake when he realizes it basically wow ride to death has much of a story that i thought it did i can't believe i'm referencing it yeah ride to death we ride to death ride to hell we were like jake you're wrong to kill so many people it was literally your dad's fault all along that's the one i think i don't know if travis touchdown was wrong but i feel like he could in which game the first i feel like now because he was fooled i feel like and he was always a jerk to begin with i feel like he was just an ass yeah i feel like he was wrong about a couple things he was fooled by the end of it yeah he was wrong about things that's he wasn't wrong in the second one he killed the guy that killed his do you get to play as griffith in anything uh no no
Starting point is 03:16:12 okay you can play his deal in the couple things maybe it would be so good if you played as griffith in the first chapter yeah of a certain game yeah you know as as you build up though the band of a hawk and stuff oh man that would have been i find it totally fascinating when your character is wrong uh wasn't uh rex from final fantasy 12 super wrong yeah he's the protagonist of the very beginning of the very beginning yeah i think there's a shooter in in recent memory in which the protagonist is like um spec ops spec ops but there's another one i think it's um pop shock infinite to a degree and uh yeah there's a like i love it when when a character because in the middle of the story in a situation like this usually character grabs you and goes
Starting point is 03:17:00 what are you doing you're ruining everything you're crazy and they usually sound kind of deranged or whatever and then you find out like no you are ruining everything it is completely your fault why why did you do this yeah it's bruce willis in the sixth sense under undertale if you play this under tail if you play the other side that that's one too although there's well there's you can debate that like you know he's doing it right according to but that's the same of final fantasy tactics right like is marsh right or wrong right rams is dead right as fuck ever or no no complicating so yeah on that i like i like that that's a good one if you if you can think of other characters that fit that profile that they're just completely dead wrong like
Starting point is 03:17:46 send them in because i'd be interested in and more like isn't someone in a david cage game super wrong all of them for all of them dependent they're it's the same as travis where they're being tricked and shit no they're just bad people ethan's being tricked ethan is a bad person um we got what no ted cruz is a bad person he's the origami killer oh man that's that's got three frame normals so that means i want to use that was my favorite fucking right right i don't ever see oh dong dong was wrong dong dong was wrong we didn't know until the end we didn't know he was fighting not for what he thought um that we got one coming in from red man hey woolly you better be red do you have an esoteric fact about the number 148
Starting point is 03:18:35 that's a pretty good question that's a good question uh and the answer is i do believe that the nation of canada is 148 years old as of now i do believe that seems less than i thought yeah because uh confederation was in like what 78 76 76 yeah something like that uh mothman wants to know ooh mothman how do you feel 2016 is turning out in terms of game releases because i think it might be the best one it's pretty good so far doom dark souls 3 overwatch total war warhammer hyper light drift oh that came out super hot super street fighter 5 soon it'll be dead asex f of 15 and mirrors edge the uh this might be one of the best years ever the witcher expansion that came out observation like about an hour ago is apparently like super fantastic as
Starting point is 03:19:21 well 2016 is pretty fucking strong it's a pretty good god damn we're not even halfway through can't wait for shen mu 3 coming out this year i think it is that dude the last guardian as well last guardian and and ever seven remake gravity rush to yep hopefully totally uh some second seven second seven coming to pc isn't that crazy what the fuck yeah isn't that nuts uh that's some good shit it's getting with the times uh and vr is happening kind of can't wait for a great game to be released on it uh you mean porn overwatch porn and vr hopefully mighty bloodstained that's what that's what they're taking everyone down for nerf this holy shit yeah oh i know what the play of the game is
Starting point is 03:20:11 what time did you what time did he did he comment no hi new man i i love me a good old dank meme but the overwatch play of the game using older shittier memes that is the best i can't stop can't stop just remix this old garbage with your new garbage yeah uh okay we got one coming in from rey and rey wants to know he says uh will you made it abundantly clear in the xcom to lp that you'd totally be kidnapped by aliens and jammed into a tube of bio slime if you could come out as a super alien hybrid yeah you're right pat won't stop talking about how fucking cool it is if his limbs could be replaced with the robot part yeah you want to go the genetic route but i want to get all chromed up which do you think would be more popular in the real world natural body modification
Starting point is 03:20:56 like hormone hacking to get huge gene splicing and so on gattaca stuff or synthetic modification like robot arms cyborg eyes and day sex out there was there a lot of the first thing is hey the price has to be the same yeah let's assume let's let's assume the price has to be covered by medica otherwise it can't be popular covered by Canadian medica no no because medica medica does not cover elective surgery whatever it's covered okay my arms are garbage give me better um so here here's the question at the same price i think obviously the gene stuff but the the mechanical stuff comes way earlier in the timeline so well here here here's here's the way i've always broken it down in my mind right the gene stuff has the obvious benefit of no robot parts yeah and everything works and you look like
Starting point is 03:21:44 you look like a human being yeah your body still breaks down but you are you are still mortal and all that stuff the robot stuff has maintenance problems and you look like a cool robot and that's a problem for some people but i always felt that the implication was is that no matter how much stronger or faster or more intelligent you could make somebody through gene therapy slapping a super computer into their fucking brain or giving them like robot biceps or some shit would always dominate like it would always it would always have a higher performance delta they'll still need a new heart at some point right but the question's asking popularity which one's the most popular and so the question and for the question for me becomes like most for most of these the genetic
Starting point is 03:22:23 one would be far more popular yeah wouldn't like no question except for the mental enhancements which you cannot see even though they're cybernetic such as eyes and brain enhancements i see those mechanical ones for most people being way more popular that's the main thing is they have to come out on the same day at the same price like a console with with equal benefits or else like is the one that comes first is going to win otherwise i think most people would rather turn into luke cage than cyborg yeah yeah but i don't know having a having a chip in your eyeballs is in cyborg yeah no that's that's that's why i say like the chip in the eyeballs is going to be more popular than growing you a completely new set of eyeballs and implant they're not yeah but they're
Starting point is 03:23:07 ripping your eyeball out and putting a camera there that looks up to your brain no they're putting something on your eye like but what if it was ripped your ball eyeball and put a camera i'm just saying there's a big difference between the like just getting a chip in and being cyborg that's that's not a and here and here's the thing well it's because i agree like a lot of people that would have a situation in which like the the the the genetic eye will say let's say it's like 35 vision like it's just absurd human powered vision right but it can't see x-rays or detecting for red or track objects or give you a HUD or what have you know that like you know and it's and it's a really core thing of like uh uh uh
Starting point is 03:23:54 how how how disruptive it will be to your body and your life on the left which is gene therapy and how much more performance you can get out of your body on the right with the cyborg in terms of popularity you sell you to say someone that all your legs really mangled up well we can put injections in you do things to you and your leg will get better or we can tear off your leg and replace it with a metal part people will always look at and go i'd rather not the part where you painfully twist my leg off and replace it i mean you get put under you know well you know what i mean yeah i do the the the general robot body horror yeah yeah you get robo cop body or more like robo cop body dream after the horror tom says with love dear pat you
Starting point is 03:24:48 set on episode three that if we named an email knife fights you'd probably read it didn't work yeah i did all right is that the holy male i you know that's the holy male and did you just read it because the title as well i think he read it and then he realized he had to read it yeah flea wants to know what overwatch character does best most deserves a spin-off of their own uh i think that tracer should probably take it she's kind of the cover girl but also like she has i think she has the best best balance of like character and also like features going for her because farah would be kind of boring soldier 76 would be kind of boring i'd give it to hanzo i would because you have to give it to hanzo and genji sure genji can be the virgin or whatever but i'd
Starting point is 03:25:40 give it to hanzo i'd go with tracer i think but i wouldn't mind a fucking tracer game as a spin-off chaser never gonna happen though personally i think it's a massive bummer that that there's no confirmation or anything about any single player anything there will never be probably i wish there were if so versatile if we're allowing a pair then i'd say roadhog and it says overwatch character so it is singular singular singular you don't i know you you don't want to say tracer with all your heart no that's not true she's pretty far up can i can i get zanyada's like chill hour i'm thinking about what could be more and more interesting than just teleport shooter like something really creative and i'm like well she's fast and she jumps a lot yeah but i'm trying to think of
Starting point is 03:26:25 like a character like something that would be like really different you know because like i definitely know we know what we knew we would know a genre we would get with tracer and it'd be fun but i'm just wondering if any other characters would have like a something what was the question like yeah which overwatch character would you like to see get a spin-off game i'd like to see hanzo get one oh wait it's it's that sounds like you said who is most deserving the first yeah oh okay sorry well yeah which overwatch character would you like to see get a oh what i'd like to see well i say hanzo um but only in is i want to see ferrick because now the question is which character do you like yeah yeah but in terms of what would actually ever happen it's tracer
Starting point is 03:27:02 tracer's the one yeah yeah no i was kind of more thinking mechanically what would be interesting but anyway um we got one just give faith a teleport thing in america it's near done and and laser guns no i'll take the heart take tracer's laser guns away no but then okay yeah you know how it's natural to be more afraid of things than child as a child than as an adult no i was wondering what i'm more scared of things than ever you've seen that 21 pilot song it's so true have you tried to file your own gst for company i signed like documents today and it freaked me out like i don't like it well question breakdown yeah right like the premise of your question just completely fell apart what's the question is what what scared you went in when you grew up you
Starting point is 03:27:53 went wow was i stupid nothing uh the gumby movie what that shit was scary i'm still afraid of at 209 so the the gumby movie you're right to add you know you know gumby and his whole band in that movie get replaced with robot versions of themselves that's at some point you get to see them like horrifyingly destroyed by water yeah and it's scary so and the black the the gumby who's like in a suit of armor and shit yeah at some point he chases gumby through all the books with a sword and they play scary music yeah hey man i feel like this question gumby gets cut in half i feel like this he doesn't win is like fishing for me and matt to say like ren and stimpy like oh obviously we're not we're not afraid of those ren and stimpy episodes anymore like fuck that they're
Starting point is 03:28:40 terrifying no i have my answer i mean like you're you're scared to buy in a hammer or looking at chips but like i i i i'm scared of back in the day and if i watch it again i probably still would be a little spooked uh is i think i told you guys about this this fucking burton urney sketch whether in this ejection tomb it was the scariest shit and i remember up until i was 15 i was still under the covers why didn't i turn it off i don't know but they're just trapped in this fucking egyptian tomb and there's two statues that are alive that would mimic urney when burt's out of the room and he just makes spooky noises and when burt would come back he would never believe urney and that was the entire sketch and then there's just e in egypt and deal would come out i don't know
Starting point is 03:29:31 it was really scary back then i'm pretty sure to watch again and still be scared but i'm also pretty sure of a saw me like this shit's stupid for babies i one thing that just came to mind when i was really young i saw the gashley crumb tinies the fuck is that you know that collection it's the i believe it's like the the little comics of all these kids the abc's of kids dying and it's super duper i'm not familiar with it but it's for kids okay it's a really weird thing for kids and it's like how all the it's like a is for albert who cracked his neck b is horrible whatever and it goes through the whole thing yeah and exactly and i just remember staring at them being like why is this for kids i know another one scary stories for sleepovers the the book series
Starting point is 03:30:14 i did you try to read it alone gamble doutoro is making a movie based on it because he's like this scared the shit out of me as you try to read it alone i did well get fucked so there's one page where a kid fox with someone's ant farm and the one illustration for this story is a bunch of ants crawling into a child's eyeball no thanks bro nope yes please what's coming up on the channel slash we got more dark souls we got uh we got uh doom videos somewhere and the start of a new lp as teased at momo con star fox really at the tail end of the week we have the completion of the chasing dead saga and holy shit finally over a trip uh we've also got you guys i'm glad people like that lp it's uh that was really fun to record taking a look at that yeah i already said that
Starting point is 03:31:08 oh zelda is gonna be a bit slower this week for no reason except stuff got scheduled in its spot uh i remember scheduling day six episodes for this week yes so i'll release a couple you did i checked you saw them right i did okay and we got it we got a uh we got to get some princess fighting going on so we're gonna do that we're gonna do some princess fight vanguard princess second impact i i knew i was wrong as soon as i thought of it but i was like oh you're talking about that chromarty fighting game based on the last episode that's not real and why am i thinking about this like it is like i went far like as soon as i start waiting for it to wrap that all up for yourself as soon as i start to have the thought you're like oh wait that's like oh that's
Starting point is 03:31:55 completely fake that's not real i just invented that damn you kamiyama but but i still want it bad enough that that it existed that i'm gonna start talking for a couple frames there yeah select your super the second super is the strawberry short blade yeah there it is yeah that's good what do we all do overwatch is the overwatch uh the witcher expansion is out right now i'm gonna play that uh trying to get more birds call overwatch and um i'll hopefully start up overwatch but i actually don't seem as though playing it too much i just like all the characters i don't know it's just a thing i'm like have you played it have you played it yet well i played the the beta like a couple hours i i haven't booted up the new version i pre-ordered and everything
Starting point is 03:32:37 but i see myself going hey in a couple years i'll come back and it'll still be going you know what i mean so like i don't think there's like a huge rush but whatever it's fair i'll probably play more of our it's honestly to be honest it's it's really a you're addicted or you're not type situation you know i'm at the same time like we all fell off splatoon pretty hard when that happens uh uh week after next we'll see probably gonna go down like that michael damiani to that fifth bird you know car that's a guy over at easy allies i'm pretty sure he's the guy on my server that got all of them first i should probably brush up on my excerpt since uh the real octopip challenged me and i saw that yeah uh don't embarrass yourself i'm gonna embarrass myself dude you have level
Starting point is 03:33:21 level five chan exists in this city like literally literally literally play with him and you played exert once in the past month no yeah that's why i fucking thought and like i haven't and i love guilty gear and i get exactly what i want i got my guilty gear every time i got hyperbiking pictures but you're an idiot she looked nothing like a cat girl no i just don't know what i don't know what that that is it's a bow like i can't tell it's clearly a bow it's clearly a cat girl wearing a bow i hope so you just see cat girls everywhere now seriously though i know win i know you can do it with the tools you have at your uh it's lube fiasco could do it so can you if lube fiasco can win a fake fight so can you just pay him money
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