Castle Super Beast - SBFC 197: 50 Shades of Dario (feat. VinnyVinesauce)

Episode Date: May 16, 2017

Vinny from Vinesauce fills in for Matt today as we get into Strafe, Battlegrouds, Black Mirror, legal advice and TECHNICAL ISSUES. You can watch us record the podcast live on twitch.tv/superbestfriendsplay

Yeah. Yeah. We're just, we're just starting. Your equipment seems to be on the front. The office equipment that we, that our equipment, the only reason I say equipment is because you're the only one who uses that laptop because it's for the podcast only. All right. We're coming in. It's actually my laptop. We're coming in hot, cold, open. You know, it's I got spacebar put back on it. I appreciate that. Here's what I did, right? After all the previous genenigans, I ripped open, I took the mixer and I physically like opened it up and clean the altimeters, potential meters, whatever. And you took a Q tip and some WD 40 and you cleaned all the washers. Yep. Yep. We're so, so, so, um, well, I took, I took a, you know, all

kinds of cleaners cleaning products and I cleaned out the goddamn mixer so that we don't have any of those problems anymore. And that's great. And that's the other mixer sounds great. Yeah. The crackling should be and we'll be gone. However, that does not account for bullshit when this the stream just drops. So what are you going to? What are you going to do? Hey, we have a guest this week. Hey, hi. Oh, this is so weird starting it hot like this. Isn't it? Yeah. No, you get no comfortable music to rely on to roll in. This is okay. I'm used to this. And also I love, hi everyone, but I love that you guys clean out your mixer with cleaning products. We've ever done it actually. I think well, apparently you have to because it just when it sits like with all the

open slots and everything, it just dust goes in and when dust goes in, at some point, they're talking and then you start sounding like a crackle man. And it sounds like your voice is going hoarse and then you don't know what's happening and you got to rip it open and that's the only way. So crackles, I'm familiar with crackles. I love them. And it's good to be here on the stream with you guys. Crackles or no crackles. It's just good to be here. Hey, well, welcome. Oh, fuck this. Dude. I mean, it's not like you didn't know. I'm just gonna start looking at cat video. It's not like you didn't know when and where and what was going on today. Can you just at least mute it? I'm done trying to convince you to not use your phone. It is a it is a goddamn dramatic tool. I'm

using hair. I wasn't actually you know what? Enjoy. Hey, I didn't have videos to fool you. Hi, Vinnie from Vine Sauce. What's going on? How's it going? Oh, what's up? I'm doing good, man. This is great to be here. I actually was thinking about the first time you and I met Willie, which is I don't remember. That was a pass. No, no, no, I'm not a very memorable guy. That's totally fine. No, no, no. It was packs two years ago or three years ago. It must have been at least two, I think I want to say two. Yeah. And we both had our like signing meetup events right around the same time at the screenway booth. And there were sat next to each other. And I believe we talked about Zeo Drifter. Oh, yeah. That's right. Oh, my God. Were there scheduling conflicts? Do we like overlap?

And like, that's happened to us at least once or twice. Yeah, yeah, we've had more than once. We've had our our like meetup and signing thing happening at the exact same time at the same table. And we both show up and all the fans show up like just congested hallways and people from packs being like, Oh, why is this happening now? Yeah. And then that one enforcer that was working for packs, that was just like, he's just like, no, everybody get in everybody more like, like, pressing the lines together, you know, and it was just it was chaos and it was beautiful. And in the end, it worked out and it formed a little friendship here. So hi, let's be friends. You got it. Well, fucking lame. I, I, well, you know, thanks for your help. No, I'm good. I'm the crackles,

apparently I've I've become crackles. So whatever crackles you've cleaned out of your system is now in my world. So I'm sorry, I'm bringing the crackles to your stream. No, you sound great to us. Okay, good, good. And I'll tell you what, you're gonna sound even better later, later, when this is not live. Oh, my God, listening to it in the one or proper podcast format in the true podcast. Yeah. No, wait, no, no, promise. It's a guarantee. We've fucked that up before. Okay. I won't even, no expectations, none. So, so here's the thing, we have a little saying that we plaster on everything. And that saying goes, if you want to, I'm not following you. We promise nothing. Oh, and deliver less. So I need that tattooed on my dick. Yep. Everyone needs to know.

But by the time they get to that stage, it's too late. Well, no. It's never too late. No, actually, you know, the trick is, is you get I promise tattooed on your dick. And then as your dick gets bigger, oh, it goes, oh, nothing. And then it's really a nice day and deliver less. That's a lot of characters. And then it just coughs out like some dust. You feel you feel confident in the amount of characters showing up really small. It's like a balloon inflating with like a picture on it, right? Yeah, yeah, it warps. What kind of font we talk in here, Pat? I don't know. Fonts, man. I'm thinking comic sans. Yeah. You know, can't go wrong. I mean, they're laughing anyway. Papyrus. So why not just double down? How do I get right? Why not just

double down on that punch? Yeah, Papyrus wouldn't be bad. That'd be all right. Totally familiar with Papyrus. That's the one that Papyrus talks in in Undertale. I hate that font. Yeah, that's the other common overused one. Gross. I'm thinking I'm thinking a script that is typed in all caps. So that it's like cursive capital letters that look terrible together. Yeah. Yeah. That kind of messaging right on the schlong. Right on. I like this podcast. It starts strong. There you go. It's strong. Oh, man. Hey, Vinny, I got to ask. Yeah. I'm very glad that you're on the podcast. We just met today. Yeah, basically. What was it like? What was going through your head when you decided to take on the dual task of inventing Vine and going into that isolation chamber for

Vsauce? Okay. So as terrible as that was, I have to say that I'm sure you get the Vsauce thing a lot. Yeah, I do. Hi, everyone. It's me, Michael, from Vsauce. So here's the problem. Your picture doesn't look bald. No, no. Well, I have a Luigi hat on in the picture, and his tongue is out anyway. But yeah, so I get confused with Vsauce constantly. And, you know, I have to kind of explain that I don't do science on the internet. They do, like they have a great channel. I mean, but I'm just not on it. But true story, I actually started Vinesauce three months before Vsauce started in 2010. And I was able to compare the channel creation. And Vinesauce started a little bit before that. But then Vsauce became massive.

And also, I did not create Vines, but most people that don't know what I do, and are like, who is this guy? They're like, Oh, you do Vines? Oh, what do you know? So, so, um, yeah, I don't do any of that stuff. Invention leaves a little something to be desired in terms of clarity, because I really thought, yeah, why would I not think, yeah, that the man created a vine. Yeah. Obviously, you started Vinesauce before Vsauce got his channel going. Yeah, well, I've also started before Vine, and then, you know, we've lived after Vine, so we've had life after Vine kind of. Yeah. But I'll tell you guys who I am, because there's

people who are curious. I'll tell you, I am a jabroni. I do nothing of interest. And I'm just, I just like brute force my way into this podcast. So don't worry about me. Yeah, that works perfectly. That's exactly what people need to hear. That's the right way to do it. That's the only way to get things done. Are you a marcast mark who may or may not work himself into shoots? Yes. Okay. Well, that in the wrestling lingo, are you just some random punk? I am, yeah, I'm the heel. Okay, perfect, perfect. All right. Oh, I shouldn't eat in all that spice. Again, you knew what was happening. I had seven days to

prepare. I eat the spice before every podcast and every podcast for the first half hour. I'm like, oh, my fucking face feels dead. If you go dump ass. I know. What? No, no, no. If you go dump spice, yes, in the middle of the podcast. You misunderstand. I am taking that mic in there and I'm fucking capturing it. No, you misunderstand the dilemma. The dilemma is not ass space. That takes at least 24 hours. That's ridiculous. It's not 24 hours? 24 hours? For something to go through your body? Yeah, dude. No, yes. It's less than that. Yeah, woolly. Okay.

It takes a full day. All right. Okay. The stuff that you've got a microphone in front of your face and you've got to be right. The thing that you think is coming out of you from lunch an hour ago, that's yesterday's lunch. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Because the new stuff is pushing the old stuff out because there's no room. All right. So be sure to tweet later on today. I'll tweet it right now. When the spice is coming out and you're tasting it for the second time. Yeah, I will let everyone know. No.

Did you take a food challenge yesterday too? So there's no way to tell. No, but yeah, the dilemma is mouth based. Okay. My mouth feels like it was fucked by Satan. What was it? No. Okay. Nice spicy sandwich. I mean, are you you have comparative experiment experience here? You can imagine. You can brainstorm. All right. There's a thought process here. Look, what we're supposed to do at this point at some point is get past the stupid banter

and actually start talking about what happened in our relative weeks. So let's start with Vinny. If you can let us know, did you have a week? What's going on with your life? Did seven days occur in your life? So I did a spicy food challenge and dumped ass on a podcast. Oh, shit. Yes. Yeah. No, I had a week. I had a week. You could say that. Let's see. So a few games I've been playing.

Do you know that player unknown battleground game that everyone keeps talking about? I don't. Okay. So you'll probably hear more about it. It's a battle royale game developed by the dude who created the original battle royale stuff like Daisy and H1Z1. And this has got like the worst name ever. Player unknowns battlegrounds. That's the name of it. I was like, what is this? I want to play this. Think of something that Jim Sterling would play on his I'm going to make fun of indie games like category. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I had no interest in it because of the title.

And then I ended up playing it and then I played it again and I played it again. And it's probably my favorite battle royale type game I've ever played. It's a mix of all those genres. It's like, you know, 100 players are dumped. Pardon the word. Into a map and the map shrinks and you have to scavenge for weapons and kill each other. It's really well done. And I've been a little addicted to that. Can you describe the part where you say that the map shrinks? You mean over time? Yeah. So over time, you have to get, you and your party have to get to a smaller part of the map, right? So you get in there and you have five minutes to like get into this little circle.

And it's random every time you play. And that means that everyone else on the map has to go in there and then the map shrinks again and then again and then again. And then within like 30 minutes, everyone's forced to fight each other with all the gear they found. And it's really good. It seems like it solves one of Daisy's like biggest problems. It does. You could just stand on that radio tower for fucking until you start to death. Okay. Oh, wait. I think I heard them talking about this on the bomb cast. That may in fact be the worst title I have ever seen.

Player Unknown's is one word and there's an apostrophe at the end of it. Why? Because, okay. So the dude who made it is Player Unknown. I've learned and he's putting his stamp. He's like the Sid Meier of the Battle Royale genre. Okay. Okay. Okay. Completely different. Okay. It's Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six. Yeah. You bet. There you go.

That's still an awful, awful title. Unfortunate is the term I would use. So wait, this is made by the guy who, Daisy? Yep. So how come Daisy's not? Because I think he left that. I don't know too well because I don't know this genre really well. I never played Daisy, but I'll tell you what.

I think the guy just cut his losses and was like, you know what, I'm going to start again. That's what I'm going to ask because you seem to know more about it than I do. You describe this as a Battle Royale game. Is that the genre we're calling these now? I think so. Maybe this is what I've heard it described as. So I just kind of jumped on the bandwagon. Because I've had like a recurring problem with this genre and that I,

this seems like it's the game for me. Like it's the one I've been waiting for forever. And I'm like, man, can't wait for one of these to be finished. And every single time I get interested in one, like I think Rust had a big thing with this where Rust became an early access game. And then a year or two into his development, the developer started making another game before finishing Rust in their community freaked out.

Because none of these games ever get finished. Is this one finished? This one is being worked on frequently. And it's already in a state that I think you would really enjoy it. You can take my word for it on this one. I know you don't really know me that well. However, if, okay, thanks. But yeah, it's good.

It's really good. And they're really actively working on it. And it's really well balanced. And it's fun. It's addictive as fuck. The gimmick makes sense. Like the gimmick sounds like perfect for that. Yeah.

Well, when you say it, when the, sorry, sorry if I'm needling you over these, all these questions, but. Please. What? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you open up the street? It, it, it. Oh my, did you open up the street?

No, it's, it was open. But for some reason that, oh God. No, make it stop. I need to make it. No, I can hear myself through infinity. Oh, no. Oh, bad. It's, oh no.

Oh my God. This is the worst. It could take too long to fix this. It's going to get to be freaking out. Okay. Okay. All right. What was that?

I don't know. It was suddenly randomly the dashboard just popped. Oh yeah. So there's that. This is the best podcast. I, you know, I want to know if it's twitches or not. We're making a very good impression for your friend Vinny. He's just going to be so excited to tell people he was on this shitty podcast.

I've often said that streaming is 95% technical problems and 10% memes. So figure out those odds, but it really, it's fine. I'm always dealing with tech problems on, on streaming with streaming. You're good. We've had, we've been clear for a couple of weeks. Yeah, dude. And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden. I brought the pain.

Can't stop it. Okay. So like I was saying, I hate to needle this, but when you describe the area, the map getting smaller in terms of like everybody has to get in the circle, what kind of scale are we starting at versus what kind of scale are we pushing towards? Are we talking like the, the ARMA slash daisy like absurdity of the 100 kilometer map? Or are we starting with something a little more reasonable? Again, I never played daisy.

So I couldn't give you a really good comparison, but the map is, it's, it's in Russia, um, Sukha. So there's a whole, a whole big map and you get all of it at first and you jump from a plane and then you land with your team or alone anywhere you want on the map. If you can get to it and then about, let's say it closes to about 60% of the map. And a big blue barrier closes in and if you get caught in the barrier, you lose a little bit of health until you get into the safe zone. Oh, it's literally a fucking advanced like wall.

Yeah. So as that happens, then, then it'll close in and it'll say three minutes to get to the next point and then you'll get like half of that area and you get in there. And, uh, yeah. And then if you get caught in the fog, the blue barrier more, you lose more health. So, but it really forces people to get together and it also forces you to stay, you know, on, on your feet. It forces you to do, um, you know, all your scavenging really quickly,

camping less, and it's great. It really is a very addictive and fun game. And I think, um, I was shocked that I loved it as much as I did. So does it like, would you say that those are the additions that kind of like solidify the genre a bit more in the sense that like, um, is there more, are there more things that you think are still missing from this type of battle royale, uh, sort of game because Daisy came along and was a, you know, a pretty good start that a lot of people came on, uh, jumped on. And this seems to add a couple of things that you want to fix.

Like the, yeah, the camping problem, um, other things in this fucking tower for three days. Yeah. Are there, are, do you think there, are there things that like are still problems that exist within this type of genre? Or like, would you say that this is like the, the, uh, just like a solid step that is pretty complete feeling? I would say it feels more simplified than like, for example, there's no tainted chicken. You can't like hold someone prisoner and you can't feed them like raw chicken until they die. So there's that. There's also no building, you know, there's no destruction. There are vehicles, however, it's, it's kind of a step in the right direction, but also

it simplifies things so that you're always having some kind of fun. It's a very, very refined take on this genre. So I think there's still probably more improvements, but fuck if I could think of them. I gotta say, I'm thinking about this and I feel bad for the developers of ARMA, because ARMA is a, I would describe it as hyper niche military shooter, but they're going to get known as, they provided the map that spawned the genre because Daisy's based off the ARMA map, like, like that Russian zone. Yeah. And they all pretty much have that, that kind of area of like rolling Russian countryside with

small towns and shit like that. I mean, that's, but that's, that's how it kind of works though, isn't it? Like there's always like the, the main thing and then there's the side project or our like mod that becomes way bigger. Like how Warcraft 3 is now a footnote to the MOBA. Counter strike. Counter strike. The existence of Counter Strike.

Well, I don't know about that one because half life remains like shit. But, but, but like in terms of the amount of money that, that entire series of games made spawning off of another game is like back, it's just, it's just the way things work nowadays, you know, with the like whatever hit PC game or like PC genre takes over, it feels like it's usually coming off of a mod of some kind that just gets everybody's attention. Yeah. A lot of the creativity and, and like the, the pushing of the boundaries usually comes from just people, you know, at home or like people who want to make something that they would play and they're not going necessarily for a market.

They're just like, oh, I want to play a game like this where you're in a, you know, countryside, you have to survive and you can force people to eat tainted chicken. And that's kind of like where the battle royale thing, if you want to call it that survival, you know, battle royale, whatever you want to call it came from. And now it's been done a bunch. I mean, the calling was pretty interesting for a little while and this takes, player unknown, takes some elements from the calling and puts it into this thing and kind of swirls it around into a more interesting version. So yeah, I mean, I kind of feel bad for the ARMA guys too,

but they'll still have a market when ARMA 4 comes out, I think. Okay. Let me just take a second here because... Oh no, what's, what is it broke now? Well, it's just that I feel like it might be Twitch, but it's just jumping up and down and up and down. What's jumping up and down? Like the, like the, the list stream? Oh.

Like the actual, like, the actual, like, what should we call it? Explit's been going fine. I, it's broken. Yeah. It's on a trampoline. Exactly. So I'm going to take a second to see if I can address this real quick. While we're off camera, I'm going to put a gun in my mouth.

That's a plan. So we'll be right back. It's just one of those days. Give it a second. Let's see. What was the insightful conversation? So you wanted to hire a robot and die? Yeah. Yeah. That's my plan. Is that the spicy food talking?

Or is that, you know, depression? One of those days. Tell me. Just one of those days. What happened in your childhood? A lot, like a lot. Like, whoa, whoa. Take me back to the first moment you felt pain.

I remember I was at a soccer game. And my parents were like, you should play with the other kids. And the instant I was separated from my parents, I started bawling my eyes out. And then the kid, the other kids were like, look at this bitch. Live in five. And then they were all like, I think that's real.

Like, yeah, that is a real story. Okay. There we go. We should be back. Yeah. Hey, me and Vinnie, we're just talking about my childhood. So the pain that you felt at that moment has never really subsided. Oh, hell no. Oh, soccer's for losers.

Man, that sucks. Yep. Childhood trauma all the way after so much. I could tell you. And that's how we got here. Oh, man. Okay. All comedy is just tragedy viewed from the other side.

Well, you know, the best comics are the most fucked up ones. Yeah. I agree. Like when somebody falls down and hurts themselves, that sucks for them. But oh, man, it's just great. Man, you look frustrated, bully. I'm not at my wit's end.

Tell me about your childhood. Ah, actually, you've done that like. How much more do you need? You've done that like crazy. Dropped off in the island jungles. Tell me about the dog that broke the chain chasing after you. Tell that story again. I mowgli'd my way back to society.

And here we are on YouTube. What else is there to say? What a success story. Amazing. You know, maybe someday a man with a cutlass will show up. And that'll be my end. I feel like this is the best possible fucking and Halloween costume for your girlfriend in which you dress up

like in like like hilarious, like like kindergarten level clothes. And she dresses up as a guy with a cutlass. I mean, that would be hilarious, but also not fun for me. Okay. But that's it's fun. It's I don't care. It's for me. Okay.

Well, no, I don't. I want to see it. Okay. Wait, would that actually traumatize you? No, but I just I wouldn't enjoy it. There's a difference between trauma and just that doesn't make me do it for your art. Yeah. Yeah, that's why we need to do that.

And that pain has followed you all the way back to X split and haunts us to this very day. I would describe today's podcast as sloppy. Yeah. And we'll have to see sometimes it's good when it's sloppy. We'll have to see what OBS has to offer, I suppose. If this is the only thing I can get out of X split and it's not twitch aside. It's possible that the computer just needs like a full to clean up and clean up.

Yeah. I did some of that too, to be honest. But you can never scrape it all spray some orange glow in the in the circuits, orange glow circuits, you know, and I mean, and whatever, like if I don't know, if it wouldn't die to an X split cost money. So, you know, it's fine. It's the worst part about X split. Yeah.

Well, this is a problem I have that at least every few weeks. What do you use Vinny? I'm curious. X split, you use X split. Okay. So do you have like, are you just a fully like no, man, I like I've used OBS on a number of occasions. I'm used to X split.

I like its functionality that I can just drag and drop pictures into it because we do art at the end of my streams. And that'll do it. It's a very, you know, there's a lot of good that X split has to offer, but I thought it was the chosen one and it betrayed its brethren. And it just lets me down like at least every few weeks. So yeah. That's pretty handy.

Yeah, this reminds me of reminds me of my all time favorite onion video, which is Sony releases stupid piece of fucking shit that doesn't do the god damn thing it's supposed to do. Yeah. No way. That's the ultimate title. It's released a stupid fucking thing that doesn't fucking work. Okay.

Sure. Yeah. No, that's about right. That's okay. Anyway, whatever. Tech issue. That's Vinny's childhood. Let's try that again.

Is it? What? Sorry, I just noticed. Is it because of 60 frames per second? It might be that increases the CPU load enormously. Can we threw that up for the souls? Oh, you guys. Oh, maybe I should.

Souls. Did you did you actually keep it at 60? It's a I'm going to pull it back down. Also, why would you kick it up to 60 for like the ps4 version of souls? No, the people at home don't give a shit. Oh, we're switching. We're dropping it down to 30. Sorry.

All right. Maybe that's bad. But now the smoothness of my wonderful cherubic face will be emphasized. Oh, the audio listeners are loving this. Oh, they know what I fucking look like. All right. I look like a slightly younger, more overweight Louis CK with slightly more hair. And I will fight people that say I don't have as much hair as I do have more idiots.

All right. Okay. We should be 30. Oh, man, are we going to have the audio listeners call in this week and think again that like this voice that I'm speaking with now is coming out of your body? I mean, I don't know, but I can't say that I hope this makes a difference. It should that makes that's reasonable to assume. Let's all get together and make a difference.

I think that's a good assumption. Yeah. And if we believe hard enough, the 30 frames a second will save the podcast. Well, thankfully, you know, 60 FPS audio is something that's high quality, man. The listeners can always enjoy as long as they're listening to everything. So ultra HD audio, 1080p audio. Yeah, ultra HD. Dude, you have to like, it's so weird when terms like HD, like become regularized.

They just stop meaning what the fuck they mean. Exactly. And then you just, it like, it takes about five to 10 years before you can buy an HD sandwich, you know, from a fucking fast food joint. I think my current favorite one is HD sunglasses. I was about to mention those things. You put them on and it makes the colors more vivid, right? Yeah.

God, what the hell? And that comes, that comes through like this weird specific misunderstanding of HD in that it's jackasses who kick their saturation too high on their new televisions. And they go, oh man, the colors pop so much. Yeah. Cause they're fucking inaccurate. You stupid, stupid ass. Well, well, the other thing is HDR, like high dynamic range is getting abused in a way.

HDR makes no sense. There've been like three different definitions. And I mean, technical definitions. I remember when Valve invented it and it was a bloom technology. And then it became a fucking TV technology. Well, there's a third one in there. Well, the HDR that I'm familiar with is the photography tech. Oh yeah, that's the one.

In which when you take pictures and you keep the exposure open for longer and you bleed more light in. Yeah. And you get a really like distorted reality, but it looks pretty. Well, the stupidest part is that they all HDR, all three of those situations, all mean high dynamic range. But they're defining completely different things. Completely different things. And then you start, and then you start taking that and applying it to like, again, like audio, you know, another weird shit because.

Well, then people get confused because then you go ADR. I got an ADR audio. It's HD. Yeah. Isn't ADR what you do for movies when you don't have audio on a character? Exactly. Yes. Yeah.

You go into a booth and you know. Completely different. An unrelated note too, but gold cables like from like Best Buy. They sell like HD, HDMI cables that are like $50,000. It's just what extra, how are we doing this? What's what is this? Just cut your own. Back when I'm really easy.

Back when I got my first HDTV, I totally got suckered into getting like a fucking monster power bar. The fucking $200 gold plated. It keeps out bad energy. It's a spirit catcher. Surround, exactly. Put crystals around it. Charge them crystals. And like I'll admit, I appreciate it.

There was a, it was a very power bar with like a lot of connectors, but. Oh, Christ almighty, man. No, they, they, I mean, if it's not the fucking warranty and the, the safe protection guarantee and this and that, then it's, it's, it's crap like that. Charging your bullshit for wires that are penny, that are pennies to make and using HD just to mean better to people that don't otherwise pay attention to that stuff. Yeah. If it fucking like, if it's selling and if it makes things move off the shelves, then

you, can you blame them for throwing the word HD on it? You know, hey guys, I want to thank you for coming out to this week's version of the HD super best friendcast now in HD. Yeah. The audio is especially HD. All ultra HD audio. HD vine sauce. Basically vine sauce is Vsauce with a few extra letters.

So I'm HD Vsauce. This is, this is absolutely up. There we go. This is the first 4k audio podcast. We're doing it. We're, we're pioneers. It's pretty amazing. All right.

So we're actually a 44k audio podcast. Think of how many extra Ks that is. It's a lot of Ks, but you could get 48 and be studio quality. That's 11 times higher than your average 4k podcast. Oh man. Due to 4k podcast would sound like, like absolute fucking trick. Can you even record in that? I, it, it wouldn't go.

We just, honestly, at a certain point, you just, just record raw. Yeah. Just record raw and upload raw. On a vinyl. It's, it is said that if you close your eyes and you listen closely, it sounds like the people are in the room with you when you listen to that kind of audio. Well, if we're going to do, if we're going to go that way, we're going to get fucking bannoral fucking setups.

Yeah. We're going to do bannoral setups, Willie. Yeah, let's do, let's do, you guys can do one on each ear. You know, you do ASMR podcasts, you whisper it. And then I'll just be behind clanking pots and pans. The super best Franken. No, only if I can, like, only if we can, like, convert it to, like, hardware that is archaic, but like, like, maintain some integrity,

like, like actual floppy disks. Okay. Yep. So we take our massive, like, two terabyte episode of the podcast. Yes. And we throw it on floppy disks and we make that available to everybody. Sounds good. No.

Okay. I've given up on the idea. Back to wave files. MP3s, whatever. We can go, we can go back to Vinny's week. Oh boy. Try to resume semblance of a normal podcast. I don't know.

Maybe that's a good idea. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what. I do have a few things that I can, I can tell you about. How does that sound? Video games, we can go back to video games. Oh God, man, you know, dude, sometimes fucking video games. I came to this conclusion right before we started recording. That video games are totally pointless and I'm wasting my life.

All right. Take it away. Take it away. I'll take it away. You can take that away after you. You know, it's funny because you guys cut out a little bit, but I'm pretty sure Pat said he hated video games. I did say that.

I did say I hate video games. Yeah. I didn't hear it, but I assumed it. It's all good, man. I do too. I'll tell you what made me hate video games this week. A game called Strafe. Oh, no.

Oh boy. I was so straight into that game. We did a big exciting video on the channel a while ago. Yeah. I actually played the Alpha. I was really excited about it. I was into the whole presentation of it. I like the idea.

I feel like a badass, you know, back to the 90s shoot things in the face with pixel guns and shit. And I was like, yeah. And then it comes out and it's not even like in a beta form. It just came out like fully released and it feels run backwards and shoot simulator. It's just you keep running backwards. There's no health pickups.

The enemies just swarm you and you have no choice but to just run away, always running away and get lucky. And the levels are totally uninspired. And it just feels like it's a half baked idea that just came out as a full release. And that's the thing. Like I really wanted Strafe to be good. I think it can be better with updates. I think they can fix it.

But in its current form, I'm sadly really disappointed. I think it could be something eventually where it's like, okay, doom that came out last year. That game had you running towards enemies. You felt like a badass because you wore a badass in that game. And Strafe, you kind of just feel like, oh God, I'm about to die. There's no health pickups. I got to run away.

So disappointing. I'm curious to know what you thought of the initial demo they released. It's promising. I thought it was really promising. You enjoyed the first taste of the game. Yeah, did you? Did you play it? Yeah, we played it on the channel, I believe.

We sure did. We really enjoyed that demo. But I don't think any of us have seen it. It was very exciting to me. I was completely sold on its premise. And then two days ago or so, maybe three days, whatever. Last week, Matt and Pat told me that there is a life changing trailer. Oh, I said that.

And then despite whatever Vinny's saying now, that troll, God, why is it happening to me now? I don't know. I should have probably watched it. I didn't. But I will right after this. And that's all I heard. So this is the first impression I'm hearing of the final game.

Well, I want you to make up your own mind. You know, if you might like it, obviously you might like it more than I did. I think it's got potential and needs some updates. But it's definitely got a great engine and the combat is cool. But, you know, again, I played the demo and I even, I think the devs were in my chat when I streamed it. And, you know, I thought it was really promising. And then something just ended up not clicking for me.

But on the opposite side of that, you know how early access is always given shit like people are like, you know, stop releasing alphas. I am one of those people. Yeah. This also this week, I played one of the best early access games I've ever played. Dead Cells. Okay. Tell me about this. Because I was in a situation in which I heard everybody talking about it on Twitter

going, oh man, Dead Cells is the shit. Right. And I went to a Steam page and that Steam page is very promising looking. The trailer they have, the screens. And then I went to click on it and it said early access. And I like tabbed out the page. Yeah. It's a very surprisingly complete early access game.

The gameplay is fucking tight. It's really good. It's like Castlevania Symphony of the Night with more kind of. Kind of tight controls. It's a rogue light Castlevania Metroid type game, Metroidvania type game. It's addictive. It's really fun. The gameplay is great and the graphics are nice.

The music is nice. But the sense of progression you get each time you die. Like you don't mind dying in this game because there's always stuff that you're working on unlocking. Even for an early access game, there's apparently like 11 big levels, 50 weapons, and they're looking to double that. So what they did was they offered half the game, but it's like done. It's in a complete form and it feels really good.

They didn't say we're going to release a broken ass game in early access so we can, you know, like work on it later. No, no, no, they actually worked on this thing and it came out of nowhere. I hadn't even heard about this game until a few days ago. Picked it up. Love it. I got like six hours in it in the past few days. Strafe, I played half hour.

I was like, yeah. So the way you're describing this is instead of being a, let's say 75% complete content-wise game that is like rough, they literally just put out, they finished and polished the first half and released the first half. But they polished the fuck out of it. Okay. Well, then that, man, there needs to be a different. It's early access is such a broad term that is so all-encompassing.

Oh my God, I'm staring into the abyss. Well, no, it's because it's one of those games that I think we, yeah, we discussed it on the podcast. We brought it up once and we definitely talked about the trailer because my brain doesn't, I don't even want to call that early access if that's what it actually is. But I feel like anytime something pops up that is entering the like pixel art, roguevania is the word they use in the trailer, right? So it enters that sort of thing.

Like we know, we noticed go, hey, what's that and discuss it. And like there's some that are still on the way. We still haven't seen quite a few that are on Kickstarter and stuff. But yeah, I feel like that's one genre that I don't mind if there's a bunch of them. But I kind of feel like the, there was a point where, what am I trying to say? Sorry. I don't know. I'm trying to say there's an oversaturation.

There's an oversaturation point. Yeah. And it happened a little bit with the 2D Dark Souls games, for example. Okay. Yep. I think there's a phrase you're looking for and the phrase is born to die. Perhaps. And it's not, and it's when you look at it, right?

And it's when you look at the game and you look at the trailer and you see everything that you are interested in. And the only reason why you're not going to grab it right away is because there are five others that you also want to get through. And I'm afraid of that happening with this genre a little bit. It already kind of has, yeah. Yeah, that 2D roguevania, Metroidvania kind of thing. Absolutely.

But I mean, that being said, like, yeah, that trailer looks phenomenal. Like everything about what we just saw there looks really cool. And can we have any other podcasts more because he's giving me good games that I either didn't look at or didn't know of that I should play? Well, you know, that's always possible. Can you just give me a list every day, Vinny? Well, that's all I got. But yeah, that's, I would recommend if you're a Castlevania fan of the Metroidvania

Castlevanias, then I think this is a game for you. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. I hear somebody who says that Castlevania starts at Symphony of the Night. No, I like all Castlevanias. No, I am mocking my friend here who in a moment of... You ruffled a feather?

And all the way up his own ass. You ruffled a jimmy? Castlevania starts at Symphony of the Night. In an attempt to ruffle as many feathers in the room as possible. Oh, they are ruffled forever, man. I got the jimmies all upside down. That's almost as bad. It's not as broad, but I remember when you and...

Resident Evil starts at 4. Do that fucking bull... No, it's not that one. That one's not... Because I can actually see that mentality. Some people actually believe that. The one that got me is that when you and Matt played fucking Umbrella Chronicles, you look over at me and go,

so glad I waited for the better version of these games. I played the pure Resident Evil experience in the form of the shooters. Fucking vomiting my own mouth. Learned the whole story and got everything out of it. And then the successful follow-up sequel, The Dark Side Chronicles. Now, at least Dark Side Chronicles has new scenarios in it. Yeah, but that being said, I guess that...

I'm still a little bit shocked about Strafe because I'm like, yeah, that's the first negative I've heard on it, but I want to go see more full impressions because... Check the Steam reviews and you'll see it's been lambasted a bit, sadly. It's a shame. I really do believe they can fix it, though. It's not... This is not an unattainable goal.

It's just... It needs a little bit of work, but it's... Again, you might like it. Be the judge. And I think there's something there. Some people are going to enjoy it a lot more than I did. Well, the guy who's not here, Matt, is the biggest markout for it. And I think I'm anxiously going to await his feedback as well,

besides my own, to see what he thinks about it. Because yeah, that was one of the games he was really, really excited for. For this early 2017. I've met Matt, right? Yeah, Matt was at PAX as well, exactly. Yeah, okay. I've spoken to him a few times, yeah. He's the guy with the skull beanie.

Is he alive? Right now, he's in doll form. Right. I mean, he is alive in the sense that like... We have a doll of him here, but also... In spirit. Yeah, he's on a family thing. He's on a family vacay thing.

Gotcha. He's probably arguing about the turns right now. Yeah, he probably has a switch with him. Probably. He's fine. Well, he is the switcher. Fuck that. Whoa, it's...

His name is stealing our YouTube channel. You're on time out. All right, so... So I can just talk over it through your mic, right? I know, but it hurts your voice in the end. He can't do this all day, and you know it. All right, so... Hey, I'm back.

Hey, everybody. That's pretty good. I can literally do that all day. You have no power over my audio. I mean... Now, what you know... You're tempting me to... No, do you know what you really need to do?

Is hook up the setup so that my mic is going into a different recording. And you hear it in your own ear? No, no, no, no, no. So I'm being... Like, it's coming out onto the stream. Combined. Yeah. But the audio is...

You have your audio, and you have Vinny's audio, and you have mine, and then you can just fucking phantom me out of the podcast, so that there are weird 30-second stretches of silence, and then Vinny goes, ah, whatever. The entire experience. Yeah, yeah. This is what it would be like. It'd be awesome if noise removal were smart enough

to hear a sample of you talking, and then just... Oh! And then I respond with spicy dump hole, and people are like, what is he talking about? It starts to... It picks up the words, like, maybe a recipe for tank controls, etc., and just auto removes it.

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And it's when they make popcorn and then someone beefs in the aisle. It's not a good time. But I can use I never, you know what? Let's sorry. I mean, we'll sponsor that. We do have an episode called Butters Pooper's have a lot of ground swell. Yeah. So it goes.

Oh, shit. There's a precedent set. I got to say, Willie, one of the things that you do that genuinely impresses me, and maybe it's because you spend so much more time in the podcast. You seem to actually know the names of almost all of our podcasts. I had to sit and stare at them. So, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of good ones out there. I mean, there's a lot I've forgotten, but there's some memorable classics that

definitely keep us out of those Butters Pooper's. They just have a lot of ground swell. Some classics that keep us out of the ranking for PC Mag's Listenable Podcast. There's a really great bit, Vinny, where someone wrote in from PC Mag and basically went like, you know, I keep trying to recommend you guys because you're a good podcast. But every time the editor sees the list of your titles, they freak the fuck out and look at me and wonder what the fuck I'm talking about or doing. And furthermore, we always get a kick out of what people write in and tell us that

they're sitting at their coffee shop and they open up iTunes and Arian Resurrection pops up. And they have to look around and slam the laptop shut, panicked. I think the guy wrote in and said like this cute girl came up to talk to me and saw the podcast I was listening to and then like ran away. That makes sense. That makes sense, you know, so. Ew, the super best friends gross. I don't try to do each one.

I just capture the essence of the big laugh. It's natural. It's natural. And you know, but at the same time, I believe you said at one point, Pat, that the person that sees that on your laptop or phone screen and like bursts out laughing, you know, you know that person. We want, we want to bring in that Jim Norton. You know that, you know, that person's a scumbag just like you and you found a friend for life.

Right. At least until they scumbag all over you. Go all. That's I don't want to know what that entails, but I was going to mention the podcast that I do, which is very infrequent. Sorry. When I was looking on your wiki, it was described as infrequent. Infrequent is the is a nice way to put it.

We might be doing another one, KY and I, but we have some interesting titles, nothing particularly filthy, but our. So the previous podcast we did, we watched the Minions movie and did commentary to it. But the problem is sadly we didn't pay much attention to the movie. So it ended up being kind of like a mishmash of just unrelated shit and Minions. Not my finest moment. And then the previous one was called loaf of salami. So that's our best title.

We got loaf of salami, nothing PC gamer or PC mag or whatever you said would write it, you know, in about, but that's respectable. It's a raised eyebrow. What's the name of your podcast, sir? If people are too on the vine. Thanks, Willie. We got one called stinky pinky. So that's a good one.

Oh, that's pretty good. Okay. Yeah. That that conjures up some imagery. Is it tough to release podcast? I'm regretting this joke, as I say. That's a new one, but now you have to get through it. Is it there's a self awareness here?

Is it tough to get podcasts out in six second bursts to get like a full because vines? Well, considering my busy science schedule. Yeah, it's tough, man. You should have, you should have tapped out. I, I forced you back in and yeah, we should have seen the science. That was rough. Yeah.

Hey, so should we rotate? Yeah, let's rotate. Let's if Vinny, Vinny, do you have more to say about your week? That's all I got. That's all you got. Sounds good. All right. Let's rotate.

All right. Willie, I'll leave it up to you to decide where to rotate. I'll rotate your way. Oh God. That's right. Let's rotate over to you. Speaking of rotating. Wait, no.

Shit. I had a secret. Fuck whatever. Okay. So I watched the room a few weeks ago. This is documented. Okay. And then Matt, the room.

Watch it again. And then you watched it for the first time. On this kick, my girlfriend has decided that that's not enough. But now I need to, I'm being jumped in to that world. The world of just the worst movies. And I was convinced to watch the other worst movie in the world. The one that actually rivals. Man of the hands of fate.

No. It's up there. Troll 2. That rival. No. It's Birdemic. So Birdemic is may is directed and written by James Nguyen.

I think I'm pronouncing that right. I never know how to pronounce it. I'm sorry guys. Nguyen. Nguyen. Sometimes. I've heard every variant of how I'm supposed to. Nguyen.

Sometimes. Yeah. Or Nguyen even. Nguyen. Yep. And I feel very confident in saying this man is an asshole. Because he made this movie and it hurts. Okay.

It's the worst. Was it Birdemic or Birdemic 2? Birdemic. Birdemic 2 is his remake of the first Ella Evil Dead 2 with more production and is way worse. Gotcha. Way worse than the bad way because it's not fun. It's they're trying to play into it. No kind of crap.

Straight out of Toronto. Dude. It makes me want to die. So you ever see the birds with the Alfred Hitchcock? Yeah. The Hitchcock birds. Yep. Yep.

Okay. And then I love it. Let's replace that with the worst acting in the world. What may be the most inconsistent and loud room hiss and fucking outside wind hiss in every scene I've ever heard? But that's part of the course for this kind of crap, right? When it really starts to kick it up is when they see the dead bird on the beach that foreshadows the incoming disaster.

Okay. And it's a JPEG of a fucking CG eagle upside down on the beach. Okay. So I'm getting that this is a 2008 movie. So it's actually pretty recent. Yes. Yeah, it's a recent bad movie. Okay.

And like, is it self aware? No. No, it is not. And you can confirm this. The second one is self aware and that's the problem. Oh, it's the problem. But Bordemek 1 is very not self aware as these actors do their best as they run from what appears to be the same three clip art animated gifts of eagles in every scene.

Okay. But no, that's not it. Okay. You like none of the, okay. None of the, okay. Well, you see that shot with the fires down to the bottom. Yep. Flames click on that.

We're looking at screenshots of Bordemek. Okay. So those images of those birds are going to be used in every scene and the fires happen when fucking birds hit the home. And they make missile noises and then the houses burst into flames. So the birds are always seen from the dead center front of you. Or from the side or from the back. Okay.

There are no angles. Okay. They do have like two gifts that they use. I see. Bordemek, shock and terror. They are CG birds and there are scenes of the characters running nearly in place and shooting into the air as we pan to just static shots of gifts of CG eagles. Okay.

For like 40 minutes. Okay. What kind of star power are we talking here? Nothing. All right. But that's, that's there. That, that's a, that's like a two minute scene of them just failing at those gifts. We're looking at three teenagers in front of a car and a bunch of back,

3D birds seen from the back. So it seems like he's actually got like at least three that he's working with. Okay. Back angle, front angle and a perfect profile. That's not even the worst part. The worst part is that, oh God, I hate James Dwayne so much. The, the worst part is before the Bordemek, before the Bordemek. They, the, the characters, they go to the movies, right?

And they see movies and they start talking about the movie in the parking lot. And with the, the acting that you deserve, they discuss, boy, that was an amazing movie that in convenient truth. I'm going to buy a hybrid for sure because we're destroying the planet. Oh man. The natives and then, and they talk about that for like 10 minutes. And then later on in the film, they meet a climate scientist studying the birds. He goes, well, you know, in the history, sometimes animals attack when their environments

are threatened and they talk to him for like 10 minutes. And then they meet the hippie in the woods who's like, oh, I have to stay and project the trees. You see how the birds don't attack me because I'm, and like, it's just the most overwrought, like hippie fucking. So what you're saying is this movie's woke. Like, okay. So like there's, it might as well have the main character stand up and go, you know, humans really are the, but he's standing next to like children that have been disemboweled by birds.

And he's like, wow, we really, and I'm like, I want to, oh, and that new scene is talking about the dead polar bears. And then the birds just leave at the end. I was going to say, how do they stop? So they're, they're fighting the birds and the birds just fly away. Visionary writer, director, dude, you're shooting on a visionary. They froze the brain of one of the birds flying toward the camera and flipped it upside down and shoved it on the beach.

Um, and they go and stand at the beach as the bird. The birds are hovering outside the window. Um, and, oh my God. Wow. They're coming out with coat hangers. They come out and fight the birds with coat hangers. Guns. Sex.

And at one point the birds just, machine guns. Throw a bunch of acid at them. It's really confusing. Holy shit. But at the end, the birds fly away and our lady character goes, wow, why do you think that they left? And our main character looks at her and like pauses for like, you know, like a, you know, 10 seconds or dramatic effect before he's about to say something. Yeah.

And then he just doesn't say anything. And then the movie goes on for like a minute. Shot at them at the beach and it goes. What, what year? Okay. Okay. Okay. Hold on.

Hold on. Cause, cause I need to quickly know. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. So look up the trailer. It is difficult to explain how bad these birds look. No, I need to know what, okay. Sharknado was 2014.

God damn it. Sharknado was a masterpiece. God damn it. Sharknado came out after it. There's no way. That's more self aware that like Sharknado knew what it was doing. What's that company that does all those like trans morphers? Oh, was it the asylum?

The asylum. The asylum. Oh my God. They fucking, God damn it. I was going to say that these guys, that, that James saw Sharknado. No man. No, this is. No, he saw the birds.

Wow. Modern day Alfred Hitchcock. Yeah. No, that is like African Hollywood. Yeah, absolutely. And so when they first see that shot on the, like, you know, movies going to be great when you're just bored to tears for the first half hour. And then you see a JPEG of a CG bird upside down.

And I literally just covered my mouth with both my hands. Oh no. Wow. Wow. Right. Just like, oh, oh, that's what, that's what you're going with, huh? Okay. Well, so that killed my soul.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Usually I said about lightning and lightning returns, but I thought my soul had nothing left in it that could die. And I found a little bit more and now that part is dead. It's the, it's the hovering birds that are the menacing ones, right? You're not even getting the sound effects of them making like plain noises as they explode as they dive. Oh, wow.

Expert filmmaking. Yeah. See, Willie's watching a video of James describing his fucking process. Who's your vision? Yeah, absolutely. And like, I want to punch that smug motherfucker in the face. If you're a big fan of the room or if you hate the room or whatever, like, you know, the room, if the room is in your life in any way, shape, or form,

you should investigate the audio book, The Disaster Artist. Yes. Yes, man. Greg Cistero wrote it. Quite a while. Yep, we've been, we've been talking about it for a couple of weeks now, actually. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, because I was on a big Tommy Wiseau kick like six months ago. It was horrendous. My chat was just like, Vinny, stop doing Tommy impressions. Yeah. Oh, hi Vinny. Stop it. Stop it. I did not.

Why you do? I say you bad. Oh, this is pretty good. Yeah, we've been talking, like Matt just told us about the audio book and like how great the impressions are. And from there, we then got on to talking about the James Franco soon to come masterpiece. So we're all, we're all in on it now. Cool.

Glad to hear it. Glad that the infection is spreading. Mm-hmm. And then to polish it off, I played some MOBA, I played some hots, nothing to say. It's fun. And I played some Prey, which is fantastic. So what you're telling me is that you've unlocked your D.Va skin. D.Va's not even out.

She's out on the PTR. But you've played enough games to get to that tier. And I haven't played as D.Va ever. She's not out. Oh, no, but I thought that as long as you played up to 10 games online, you were you would just automatically get it. I thought that was a thing. Oh, you're talking about the Nexus Challenge.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah, the Nexus Challenge succeeded in actually getting me back in. So you completed the challenge, but you continue to play. So a bunch of my friends that raid in FF14 went, oh, we got to get that skin for Overwatch. Okay, let's get our five games. Okay, now we get to get five more games. Oh, I'm almost leveled up with this guy.

Oh, that was, and then just now everybody's playing it. For context, Vinny, usually this podcast tends to be MOBA free. MOBA free. Tends to be MOBA free. Yeah, because I don't play MOBAs very much. I played them in the Warcraft 3 days. I tried to play League also on the weekend. So when you say tends to, yeah.

I tried to. What happened? The text is too small on my television. Just can't read it. It's too small. Is that the only thing that stopped you? That is the only thing that stopped me. That's hilarious.

I know. That's ridiculous. I spent maybe two hours on Twitter asking people, how do you make the text bigger? And they're like, go to UI and increase it to higher. I'm like, it starts at 100%. And they go, well, you guess you're fucked then. No League for you.

No League for me. I tried. Well, we could have had an in-depth conversation. Could have had a big conversation of me and me talking about Dirtbag MOBAs. Oh boy. Oh boy. That's fine. And Prey is fantastic.

I like it better than Bioshock. Wow. Oh, wow. That's a high recommendation. Well, then again, you did say it's a System Shock sequel successor feeling thing. It is more like. Which I know you like System Shock more as well. I barely know System Shock.

I know it's premise and it's tone. And this is a lot closer to that than Bioshock says. But the main reason I like it is, well, for one, you can die. Which kind of adds something. And the upgrade, the upgrade path and the whole way that that works is much more interesting than the Plasma system. Okay. And I'll admit as amazing as Bioshock's under the sea thing is,

I much prefer sci-fi, alien, like space, memory, horror. As a setting. Yeah. I like that too. Yeah. The early part of the game is describing how you've lost your memory. And it's not, oh, you have amnesia. There are really solid plot and like theming reasons why your character doesn't have memory.

But you're total recalling it. You're finding recordings that you've left for your own character. Yeah. And I don't know whether to trust those recordings. Cool. And because I'm finding multiple contradictory ones. Of course. Because my character apparently keeps getting their memory reset over and over.

And open your eyes, Link. They have made different decisions. And it's genuine. It's really interesting. I really like it. I like the game. It feels just like Bioshock. Like the shooting and the moving around and whatnot.

Feels nearly, and I think my point, not content, point of comparison will be the shotgun in Bioshock 1 versus this. The place that it's held on the screen, the general size of it, the kickback, it feels identical to Bioshock 1. And even the hitting things at your wrench feels pretty much the same. And that is not the best feeling, but it's pretty good. It also has really fantastic spacewalk sequences, which are you, you have 100% total control over with thrusters, which is fantastic.

And you said like, I believe last week that like, you're not, it's unlike Bioshock. You're not being funneled into enemy rooms. You're kind of being stalked by cloaking enemies. And that's, is that how most encounters go? I would not say you're being stalked by cloaking enemies. But since the primary and the headcrab equivalent in this game is a mimic that can take the shape of anything from a chair to an ashtray.

And the room is typically filled with, you know, hundreds of physics objects, like you would in your average first person shooter. There's a real feeling of tension when you're scrounging, which leads to very bizarre player behavior. It leads to the bathroom of a game and you look and there's a tray and the tray has a bunch of towels on it and you take your wrench out and you just start beating. And right when you think you've lost your mind, one of them moves away from you. And you end up like killing it.

You're like, yeah, okay. But probably the goofiest bit is that when those mimics get out of your site, as soon as they break your field of vision, they transform into something. And because of the nature of you running around and hitting objects in the environment, you've knocked over everything. So it's impossible to tell which one of them actually is. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun.

But you're not actually, or rather, is that the majority of your encounters? No, no, they're larger and more intense enemies. But I use the term headcrab equivalent pretty explicitly because think of headcrabs in Half-Life 1. You keep running into them the whole game and they're always going to kind of be around, but they stop being your primary source of trouble about a third of the way through. Okay, I see. And you start fighting like larger, more teleporty enemies and whatnot pretty soon.

I really like it. I think it's fantastic. I keep waiting for it. I'm in this weird place where I'm waiting for it to shit itself. I'm waiting for the plot to have like a second act. Ha, got you. It's terrible, but haven't run into it so far. Oh, once you find out what the deal with your memories is, there might be a thing.

No, I already found that. You find that out right away. Okay. You find that out right. It's one of the, like you read a document and it goes, if this technology does this, then this happens. And you go, oh, well, then that sucks. Okay.

So I was debating on whether or not to bring this up, but I feel like it might be worth it just to comment on like reviewers and stuff. But IGN gave the game a 4.0 because their copy had a game breaking bug that's since been fixed. And I don't think the review has been updated since then. So it has. So would they give it this time? They give it an eight. They missed four points.

They took off because of a pre-release bug. All right. So I looked into this pretty extensively because I was, because I was reading the pre-OT on GAF. People were complaining about it because Metacritic doesn't change scores ever. So that IGN score like kicked it from like an 81 down to like a 79. It grabs the RSS and then that's no Metacritic has a policy to prevent reviewers from just going up and down early.

And I believe it, you know, integrity or not, I think part of the reason might actually be that if you were able to change your review score willy-nilly, you could actually figure out what you're weighted as in Metacritic's thing. Okay. Because you could kick it up a couple of points game per game and you'd figure it out. Yeah. And then you fuck with the metrics.

Yeah. I could see that. So, uh, but so like YouTube self reviewer played it on the PC and, uh, encountered a disastrous save annihilating bug. Okay. And I believe the original tagline for the article was it was all funny games until it all came crashing down or something of that equivalent, right? And said, it's a really fun game, great everything.

And then this game completely ruined my experience and made me hate it basically. And gave it a four as a result because that's how he felt coming off of it, right? Oh, sorry. Vinny, what was the bug? Oh, I don't know. It was just game breaking. It's a bug that like it corrupts your saves or something like that. Okay.

Well, no, I know this because I read the patch notes and it says we have fixed the save corruption bug. I see. Okay. So full on a class. So the problem with this is that this is a game in which, uh, Bethesda didn't send out review copies, which already makes people kind of like, uh, fuck you if that's your job, right? If your job's to review games, it's annoying to not get your review copy.

So this was all post, like there's no embargo. No, no, no, I thought it was a pre-release. Okay. No, no, no. It was, it was like the second day the game was out. Gotcha. What made this extra complex to deal with is that his review went live, but four hours earlier, the patch went live that fixed that.

Okay. So, or three or four hours. So like here's where it gets weird, right? Because the game was out in the wild to purchase by everybody during the period in which that review was valid, but by the time the review came out, the review was de facto invalid. Because the update was already live. I think his complaint, I don't agree with like docking the game score for it,

but I think the complaint of a bug that is a class destroyed my experience with this game is vital to a review because it's buyer beware, right? And then they subsequently changed it. There was a big kerfuffle about it because of how much it got docked. Yeah. So the, so the, the Metacritic part of the story where it's like their system is one that only takes the first thing you submit and so on and so forth is just a shitty, stupid, unfortunate thing that is the nature of Metacritic's role and how much that matters

to developers and such. It's like, there's an, you know, that's part of it that's just like, it's an unfortunate byproduct and it sucks that producers and, and, and a, rather publishers, you know, use Metacritic as like something that is a de facto standard to be held up to that will sometimes determine whether or not you make your bonus that year. That sucks. Yes. And the biggest thing was very famously reported and ever since then,

everybody's kind of freaked out by Metacritic because it can cost millions of dollars. But the actual circumstances you're describing here are very weird. And like, I mean, on one hand, of course, the guy can only talk about the copy he has in his hand and his personal experience with that copy over the past whatever days. And I'm sure that in games though, in games that do have a pre-release copies given out to the press, they will oftentimes come in with an explanation of, by the way, you're going to see this issue and this issue, those will not exist on release and things like that to kind of like warn or preface these types of situations from happening.

Yeah. You'll get a, you'll get a note that says whatever you do, don't put this item into your inventory. It wipes your character sheet or whatever. It's not reflective of the game that people are going to get on day one. Day one has to fix that. Exactly. Yada yada.

But if that doesn't happen here, then. And here's the last little really makes it goofy. The PC version of this game is substantially better than the console version. The interface is much improved by mouse and keyboard kind of thing. It has the scroll wheel because you have a million items kind of thing. Yeah. And it runs way better. And I don't mean like, of course it runs better because it's a PC game, but like the

the console versions have performance hiccups here or there, whereas the PC version runs beautifully kind of thing. Right. The console versions reviews for Prey on IG did not get affected by this because they showed up on PC. So the console versions got their 8.0 reviews. But the PC version had the docked one because that's the skew the bug was pressing on. Fuck.

Right. And that's the version of the bug exists on. That makes sense. But if you're doing multiple console reviews and you're trying like it's so this. And the guy wrote the reviews. I think his name is Nancy Stapleton. And I don't I don't begrudge any of his. No, this is the weirdest.

I this is the weirdest confluence of like, well, what do I fucking score? So so like you can if I guess if we trace these steps backward, like again, you can't ask a person looking at a particular copy of the game, like to just overlook something that's unless it's like, OK, if you if the game doesn't boot, you should stop and go hold on. Right. Like, you know what I mean? Like something like on that level. But God, it's the way you actually deal with this is what I just said is you do

if you don't give a pre-release copy of the game out, then you still should contact people that are doing reviews and tell them about this and how it's going. Well, but then that gets reported of don't buy pray day one on PC because there's a save bug. There's no winning in the situation. The only way to win is to make sure that your bugs are totally eliminated. But even so, you know, you never know what could happen. I mean, there was a bug. Do you remember the Twilight Princess bug where if you saved at a specific point in the game,

I think like by a bridge in Kakariko Village or something like that. Like if you saved and quit your game at a very specific point, then reloaded, you couldn't make any progress. You had to start the game over. Like you could be 20 hours into Twilight Princess and then the game would just break for you. I believe that was Skyward Sword and not Twilight Princess because I remember you had to mail in an SD card to Nintendo so they could fix your save. It was also, I think it was also Twilight Princess.

Also Twilight Princess. Yeah, I remember that it was near the character shot and he was in Twilight Princess, but I don't think they were able to fix that one. That one, I don't know if they ever were able to update it. Because you couldn't patch Wii games. Yeah, Skyward had it too. Oh man. Again, someone as a former QA guy, I can tell you that when you scrape hard enough,

there's always more. There's always more and there's no such thing as a clean game. There's only a game where- What about Blizzard game? The mess is out of the viewers out of sight. You know what I mean? Right. Your user path will never encounter this, but you can never be guaranteed.

Which is actually the fundamentals of speedrunning in some ways too. I mean, if you look at some of the speedruns of like offering enough time or tons of games, they utilize all these bizarre glitches that, and they'll specifically go for the version of the games that weren't patched just so they could do these glitches. So in some ways, this whole thing of not catching these bugs in QA has led to a whole subculture, which is insane. It's funny that you mentioned that because Prey has that really bad because there's an item

called the glue gun, which lets you throw goo on the floor, but it solidifies that foam, you know, that future foam. Yeah. But it allows you to throw it on the walls and create little staircases for yourself. Okay. Which means you can climb anywhere, which people use to- Sequence break. Absolutely fucking tear that game to shit and beat the game in under nine minutes

within like a few hours of it coming out. Yeah, that's a sequence break good. That's exactly what that sounds like. It's just like, guess what? This wall is not actually solid. Yeah. Walk through it. That sounds like horrifying for me, like try to stop people from using this.

So I forget where I saw it, but there was an article going around and I didn't read it, but I think the headline is the part that actually matters. And Bethesda's we're not sending review copies out to anyone policy, which is their thing now. I guess they've done three, four games in a row. Sometimes it hurts them. Just put them in the S. And it's not just that praise doing actually pretty poorly sales wise despite being a

fantastic game really because there's nobody knows what the fuck it is. Like reviews is one of the best pieces of ad content you can get for your good game is, Hey, look, you slap the big like front banner the day the game comes out and says, Hey, this game's out. And it's great. Yeah. You know, kind of thing. Well, I mean, the new cycle has its, you know, has its ebbs and flows,

but like the pre-release type is, is a huge thing. And, and, and a huge factor in the sales. And now we're seeing like how the system works. Like I remember example. I remember being somewhat uninterested in last of us pre-release until the reviews came out two and a half weeks before the game's release date. That's baffling to me because the first trailer was amazing. Yeah.

But I was like, Oh, it's an Audi dog game. It's, you know, because I'm not a big fan of Uncharted. And then I think it was Matt and I were at E3 at the time and the reviews had come out and the game was done and it was weeks away. And I went, and the reviews were glowing. Obviously, I was like, Whoa, they're confident. I'm actually going to check this out now. Yeah.

Well, I, I was day one told on that, but, um, yeah. Uh, so it's a mess that it's a quick thing. Brand confusion. I know a lot of people were big fans of the original prey. And then this prey is like also called prey. And I know a lot of people, myself included, were just like, is this game anyway related to the prey that came out a bunch of years ago? It could not be less than that.

Hold on a second. Yeah. So I brought this up last time, right? Yeah. Is it actually a completely different intellectual property? No, because the brand name is the same. Yes. That it is this like, and there are aliens, but, but you know what I mean?

It's in space, I guess, but it is like a reboot. It is, it is 100% completely new. Every time it's not, it's not another. It couldn't. Yeah. Okay. Could not have less to do. Right.

Right. With, with the old. I'm going to complain for a second because prey too looked interesting. It was like you were a bounty hunter and like a blade runner, alien city. It looked fucking awesome. Pray too is the bad mouth feel of this prey. Because this prey is great.

It's made by Kane and the prey too was being made by head hunter. And that company no longer exists because pray too was an elaborate gambit by Bethesda to bankrupt and absorb that company. And then once that gambit didn't work, they just canceled the game. Oh, no. And now the company no longer exists and neither does that game. And it did look awesome. It looked fucking great.

Yeah, it did look pretty great. Jesus, that's, that's fucked up. So everything around prey that's not playing the game is bizarre, confusing, weird, possibly feel bad in some cases. Like I'm sure people who used to work in head hunter don't look at this game with any fond like feelings. No, I wouldn't imagine so, man. Do you mean human head?

Human head. Thank you. Not head hunter. I do mean human head. Okay. That is who I meant. Yeah. Okay.

But that's just so fucking evil. They're so evil. It defies belief. Because I just, I wanted to see what the disambiguation page looks like here. It sucks. Anybody who runs a game database, like how long to beat or whatever, the fucking game is listed as prey brackets 2017. Yeah.

Which is the ugliest way you can get your game into a database. That's what happens. Ninja Gaiden, Bionic Commando, you know. Terrible. Movies, games. I mean, this, this happens so much now. You know, 2016, this 2016, that, you know, it's like, You have called it the prey.

No one, no, people don't want to feel like or new, new audiences don't want to feel like they missed out on something from 10 years ago. I don't know, man. The original prey is like the fucking. I know it's dumb. It's a quick, oh, it's the dumbest. It's the absolute dumbest, but that's how bad it is. When you're going from that's how bad it is.

When it's a new IP versus something established, even if the thing that you're coming off of is like a fucking footnote. It's a completely ignore. And I should also mention that the title prey for this game. I like tangential is being kind like this. This could be called. Yeah. Think of any sci-fi name for anything.

No one would be a better name for this. Like event horizon or something, you know, like, like zero people give a fuck that Red Dead revolver existed. You're right. It's crazy. It's crazy. And like that, that was the thing. It came out whatever.

But like, there was no reason for that to be this similar title or imply that it was other than how I heard that. That could have just been rockstar cowboys. Like it doesn't fuck. That's a great name. Rockstar cowboy. Well, you know, but like it tied it on there because it just the fact that like you hear a thing and it sounds like it's something you already know what it is.

It just, I guess, I guess you're really excited for that. It remake. You just categorize it somewhere else in your brain, I suppose, as like, I am familiar with that thing. Therefore, I am more willing to open myself up to it. The family behind of. Yeah. Well, they now take because, you know, every idea, let's, let's face it.

Okay. You're on a spaceship. Things go wrong. What franchise could that be put into? Probably alien. I mean, you know, it's all been done. We've at this point, we, yeah, we've done so like every franchise that exists has something covered.

So if you want to do a cowboy thing and you want to sell more units, you're going to call it Red Dead Redemption. If you want to do a space movie involving aliens taking over a ship, which is not a wholly original concept, you can call it alien. Or if you want to do like a franchise, you know, involving space mimics, I guess you call it prey. I mean, it's just, it's a weird thing, but. They should have called it computer fear.

Nicely done. Systems. You're doing it. Look, I don't have space. Oh, shock. I just kind of look at it like, what are like, what would the numbers have changed to if Red Dead was not in that title? You know, would it have made any difference?

I feel like. How many people actually know that? That's the weirdest one of all because Rockstar knows that it's the word Rockstar on the game box that actually makes it not the. And it wasn't even the same company, but the original. They could have called that Grand Theft Horsey and it would have been just as well. It came from a different company. You know, it's so weird.

I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, but it's a good game. I guess. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just it feels like it's all spawns from fear of new IP. Yes. Yeah. After you serve in it.

Oh, well, I was just saying people criticize Nintendo for not doing a lot of new IPs. They do from time to time. But if they want to do a medieval game, they do Zelda. They want to do a fantasy shoot space game. You know, they can do Metroid, which they don't. But if they wanted to do a platformer, they do Mario. Like so, I mean, they have the past. They've got the future.

They've got the present. They've got Kirby, whatever that is. They got all these different things that they can draw from. So if one of their guys comes up with an idea, someone on their team can be like, Oh, that kind of reminds me of Kirby. It's a Kirby game now. You know, I mean, it just. Yeah.

Yeah. So at the same time, they they decided to not make punch out spring arms. They made. Oh, good point. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Good point.

Um, they didn't make. Well, I wouldn't even know where to go with this, but like they didn't make a Mario Sunshine splat gun battle warfare. They made Splatoon, you know. Yeah. So sometimes, even if it is similar, they do reach out there. I get the feeling that way. I see like publisher reps and developers talk about new IP is that.

Oh, yeah. That first one going to lose tons of money, like guaranteed, no matter what. If it's completely new. And yeah, it's all about building that audience for the second one. It's about building a universe to people will hear about. Oh, that first one was good, I guess. And by the second one, look at movies now to like the whole thing with the Marvel universe being so successful and like all these reboots, like consistently happening.

It's almost like if you don't start a universe, like they're now factoring in the sequels and the potential crossovers to make an even bigger profit. So they start a thing with the intention of having that thing extend as far as possible to maximize profits. Oh, yeah. So people went up and dug up Guardians of the Galaxy comics. You know what I mean? Prior to that coming out going, oh, what?

What is this again? Yeah. And then when, then when their friendship up, they're like, oh, Ben, you haven't heard. You haven't heard of Rocket Raccoon and Groot. What? Oh, dude, you're so behind him and you get to be. I don't think anyone ever said that. I don't think anyone ever said, what do you mean you haven't?

I remember when Rocket got announced for Marvel 3, no one was going like, oh, wow. I can't believe more people don't know about Rocket the Space Raccoon. Yeah. Actually, all I all I remember hearing was why not Howard the Duck? That was what I remember hearing the most. Yeah, at this point, but people know that from a movie, at least, you know. Wasn't he in Guardians 2? Wasn't there a cameo?

He was in Guardians 1 as well. What? There's like a like a Duck cameo. I remember a Duck person. I kind of have an affinity for Duck, so I noticed them. You've got no luck until you've gone Duck. And the only reason why anyone said that is because the Howard the Duck movie came out from then. It that's all it is.

That's all it is. It's that's all it is. I recognize that. I know that. When I saw it. I clapped. I clapped. Very cool.

I clapped when I saw the red lights. Okay, no. By the way, by the way, this podcast is brought to you by Fidget Corpse. Oh, boy. It's like a fidget spinner. And on the flip side of that, you have, hey, one game in this long running IP did bad. I guess Mass Effect's dead now. Oh, yeah.

That's true. Mass Effect is just dead now because of Andromeda. And four years. This is going to be Mass Effect 2022. All I did was check out the official phrasing is indefinitely shelved. And they transferred most of the staff from Bioware Montreal to a different studio to work on something else. The only people that are left are the

people that I got some phone calls to make. Mass Effect is dead. And it's because of, can you, like, of the last gen? Oh, boy, I hope my friends are okay. After, after, like, Assassin's Creed and stuff like that, like, I would call Mass Effect highly successful, even, like, indicative of that generation, right? Just huge blockbuster. So millions and millions and millions, right?

It's on the bullet point list. Did one bad game, which still sold a couple million copies? Dead. Did, did you see the patch comparison videos? Yes. It looks like some, it looks like another director went through every conversation and every cutscene. I'm going to maintain.

So I read all those patch, all the patches because they're long and I want to see what kind of stuff is in there. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff that like, let's, let's ignore the faces. Let's ignore the weird dialogue and all that shit, right? There's a bunch of gameplay stuff. Like when you hit level 61 in the original game, because of the way the, the inventory worked merchants, all of a sudden, all of their stock would disappear from every merchant

in the game because there isn't any inventory labeled as 61 and up available for purchase. That is the first time I'm hearing about that. That's crazy. Yeah. Me too, because I read in the patch notes that it was merchants will now sell items at 60 level 61 or higher, right? That game, I'm, I'm, I said it right at the beginning. I'm going to maintain it.

That game got pushed out the door like six months, maybe even a year early and it bid it for it. And now it's dead. Like there is, this is, this feels like the kind of scenario that you can go into the little publisher relationship pool and find like the person whose fault this is, right? The person who made the calendar. The person we need early 2017 quarter. Come out on the, what was it?

The fucking 28th or something? A march? Yeah, that's, that's how we balance our, our, our exactly our fiscal year. Oh, it's depressing. It's real, real bad. Um, well, I, I, you know, I respect the fixes, um, because at least they're leaving the game in a state that is insanely improved. It is amazing what a little ambient inclusion on the top of your eye can do.

Well, that's what I was going to, what I was getting at was like, we go back to the weird faces and the, and the voice stuff is that like the, the, the cut scene comparisons are night and day. It's nuts. Um, I need, and just even like adding expressions to, you know, sentences like, my dad is dead and yeah, you know, like, yeah, I'm laughing. It's quite, it's, yeah, it's a lot. Um, don't have to change the dialogue.

You don't have to change. Well, in some cases, but you don't have to change the voice acting because you're not getting those people in for a new line. Usually, but just a little shadow here, make the pupils a little smaller, tweak this mouth movement a little bit night and day. Um, uh, did you have anything else? No, man, that's it. Okay.

And we kind of sidetracked into like two different news topics or whatever. What do you do with your life? Wolves. Well, I honestly, um, I'm since, you know, how's it going at Casa de New Wolves? Well, I'm, I'm almost out of, uh, of box town. I'm almost out. I've slowly, but surely made my way and my consoles are plugged in. So I'm, I'm still in the P five summer, you know, just doing that for a bit.

But, um, I didn't like, again, I know I don't have a ton of time for much else. Besides that, what I did do was, uh, watch this show that's been highly recommended to me on Netflix called black mirror. Oh yeah. Love that show. Have you, have you finished it? Yeah. Okay.

Fuck. Man. Is that that weird seventies show? That's all psychedelic shit. This is, I'm going to look up a screenshot. Way more modern and this is shot of a television. It was British until it stopped being British. I guess there's some episodes where they're, they're just not set in England.

But every episode so far is standalone. It is a series that is basically just talking about, uh, or rather just exploring, uh, technology and its effect on society and in particular like screams and where things like social media can go in different, uh, things ranging from dystopia to like parallel of, of modern day, um, you know, where social media means a lot more, for example. And fucking like it's perfect dude. This thing, it's like, I'm only a couple episodes in and you're so satisfied at the end of every episode.

Excuse me. It's, it's weird because it's a Netflix series or that you don't need to binge. That's not true. I don't believe you. And you almost don't want to because you need, I feel like you do a disservice to an episode by watching another one right after it because you gotta let it soak. So you gotta let it soak in because the next one's jumping into a completely different topic in a completely different setting that's making you think about completely different

things and like you don't get to properly digest what you just went through. It's so well written. Um, right now the, um, yeah, I'm right now I'm on the fourth, uh, episode and like each one's an hour and what it does is it just, it's, so it just sets up, uh, an element of like, sorry, an element of, um, give me an example. Go hard, go. If you've only watched the first four, you don't lie and there are four seasons of this. Tell me a topic.

Okay, uh, one episode is, uh, a world that is, it's not too distant future, but distant enough where you can have, um, uh, uh, uh, what's the, oh, here we go. Okay, I'll tell you about this one. Uh, you install a, something called a grain in this one episode and that is a, um, device that captures everything you see. Your entire visual experience from the moment you install this thing is recorded and then you can play back memories, right? Uh-huh.

And then you can also, any nearby screens, you can think of a memory, pull it up and show somebody. So everyone that has this, and this has become the norm in society to the point where not having one is weird. It's a bit of a, it's completely where it's, yeah, where if you don't have one, people go like, what, really? You don't have some kind of, huh? What do you, is this kind of political thing? Right, where it's, it's like, if you don't know, it's not like, it's not like, it's not

like not having a smartphone. It's like not having a cell phone. Yeah. And so you go through, so they introduce this concept and show you like, you know, what it means and how the different casual ways that this is explored. But it then focuses on like the story of just not like, not horrible things in life that are, not the world changing. It just shows you one relationship, a couple.

Yeah. And you just focus on this couple's relationship with the ability to pull things up. And it's fucking, I can imagine, believable. I can imagine couple based arguments become very bizarre with perfect playback. It's dude, it's fascinating. And yeah. And the best thing about this show is how they introduce the concept like the green, right? And they tell you what it does.

And then you see, you know, people using it in different scenarios, like you see a commercial on TV for old people, like having perfect memory to just relive their youth and things like that. Or like, hey, babysitters, job's done. We just got home. Let's watch our baby's playback and see what our baby saw for the last couple hours while we were out. Important. Useful.

You have things like that. And then they just explore every angle of this technology. And by the end, like you can think of a few others, but you're so satisfied and it has real world ability going backwards because it's like, well, what if everybody just didn't put their phone down? What if everybody just had their phone up? That's another episode. Yeah.

Ah, okay. Yeah, that's another episode. And there's even episodes like, I'll just tell you that the first episode is not really set in the future, maybe the near future, but it's kind of about the prime minister of England getting blackmailed and the way technology is used to blackmail him into just to, I want to spice this up just so the audience might be interested into fucking a pig. And you see, that's topical, just like the actual prime minister of England. And this happened before that actually was known, apparently.

But yeah, I know. So this show is fantastic and it really like, it explores these ideas about technology in the near future, sometimes in the not so near future. And it takes them to their fullest extent and it really explores them in a smart and a really interesting way. Willie, it gets better. My favorite season is probably the third season. And man, I'm glad you're enjoying the show because it just gets weirder and weirder.

There's some episodes that leave you satisfied, like you said. And there are some that leave you a little dead on the inside because it's like, oh my God, could we go, is this like world we live in this devoid of meeting meaning to the fact that like in the near future, technology is just going to ruin, you know, our lives in one way or another. That sounds great. Yeah. Yeah. It's a cautionary talent.

In some ways, emotional response than what I imagine you're supposed to. It ends up honestly that like, I've already had run the gamut of emotions on these things where sometimes you come out of that going like, oh, that's a horrible thing where you're barely even human anymore. Awesome. And sometimes it's like, well, that's an unfortunate use of a really practical piece of technology, you know? And you go all around, dude.

And like this is just a couple episodes. Are you saying that like this show combines my existential nihilism with my ever-present futurism to create a horrible bad feeling in your stomach? That's definitely a part of it. But I would probably go, yay! That's definitely a part of it. I think you'd like the show then, Pat. I think you'd enjoy it.

I worry that when I go to talk after watching this show that we will be coming at it from very different places. Well, after the episodes, I think about that and my life in that context for the rest of the night. Oh, yeah. It stays with me. And I'm just like going like, man, hook me up, man. What if I and then if... Lock it all in.

What would I... Hmm. And it's so nuts, especially given the fact that like we now live lives that are like massively affected by social media and online. What do you mean? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'm making shit up.

But anyway, in the nature of the type of lives we live, it especially like... It just recontextualizes familiar concepts. We're on the bleeding edge of ruining our lives with technology. Fucking incredible. There's nothing else I can say. And I mean, there's some faces that I did recognize early on. There was the main character from Get Out showed up in an episode that was really good. But yeah, the first episode as Vinny pointed out, it starts you slow.

And it starts you on... It's more of a thought experiment where like a joke concept becomes serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But even then, the thesis statement of like screens and social media and I guess just like the way it affects... The way things like that affect culture is being explored. It's just being explored in the lowest, like with the volume at like 0.2 decibels. That's really interesting because the way you're describing it now with those kinds of terms,

it sounds like a more grounded, less hopeful Star Trek. And the reason why I say that is because Star Trek at its core is just a Socratic argument, which is, okay, what if hunger and crime don't exist? What if you encounter this completely new scenario that is novel to you? Then what? But here's what's interesting. And with this, it's more grounded, it's more realistic, and it's definitely sounds less hopeful.

Well, they're all different. And this is what's interesting because Star Trek, even from season to season, they visit different concepts, but they explore them all in one world, one place. And you go to different planets and different rules. Also the black mirror, they're all like, it's always like Twilight Zone. Picture, yeah, Twilight Zone was going to be the show I brought up. Yeah. You hit the credits and that world is gone.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. And then the next episode starts and concept, unlike the things that they would explore in a movie like Minority Report would be just condensed into this one hour. Completely condensed into a one hour movie. And then you get through it and you're like, oh, and then hit the credits, that's gone. It's so interesting and so well written.

Fucking incredible. I can't recommend it enough off of four goddamn episodes. I'll just go ahead and say again, seeing the whole series, and I'm also a big Star Trek fan, and it is kind of in some ways, like Star Trek is the best of humanity with technology. And this is kind of like a cautionary tale about what would happen if we let the technology get the best of us. But not every episode is like that. And not every episode is like that.

Realisticist or... And it's realistic. Yeah. There's always this weird feeling too when you're watching it and you're going like, all right, new society, how bad does it get, right? When it's like everybody's doing the thing. The thing is normal. The thing is weird to you and I because we don't live in that time.

But to them, this is how it's always been. Now, you're always waiting for the moment of what happens to the person who doesn't do the thing. And then like, and then, you know, I'm like, what happens to me? And you know, that's where it's going and you're just uneasy the entire time. And then you find out what happens to that person. And sometimes it's like, oh, well, okay, average. And then it goes somewhere else. And you go, you know, or it's like, no, the bad, bad things happen.

You know, you don't use Twitter into the pit with you. Dude. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like without spoiling like some of the major impact. Yeah.

Okay. I will definitely... You know what Vinny? I appreciate you having watched it and being here because I can think of less thing. I can think of fewer things, more satisfying than... So I just got into this thing and it's really fantastic. And then somebody next to you goes, oh, I watched it or did it all. It's the best.

It only gets better. When you go over to Netflix and like you click on it and it's like, watch season three, episode one. And you're like, no, season one, episode one. And you start and you go, this is good. And then you just know, you know, there's so much more ahead to go. I love that feeling. And there's not even that much more to go. That's the thing.

Like I think the first season is three, second season is three, then there's a Christmas special, which leaves you with a sense of undying dread. Enjoy that one. It's British, it's British seasons that are... However, season three, season three is six episodes. And then I think the next season, they're going to go for another six. So they're picking it up slowly. But yeah, yeah.

So you got to cut, you got to, you know, like an American season's worth of shows. I'm going to sit down and do it all in one. Okay. And I'll get back to you. Honestly. You can't stop me. I can't. But I can just ask that you don't back to back it.

Is there a binge society episode? It does disservice to it. I really think it does. That's fine. And then you do with that information what you will. I'm going to wash them all back. All right. Anyway.

And then I'm going to come out here and be like, I can't believe you didn't wash them back to back. That doesn't disservice. Because I think your jumbled thoughts are going to, you're going to forget particular details here. Not good. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen.

Has been documented. I don't make mistakes. Okay. Okay. It's really spicy food. And I don't misremember details. This has been documented. It's like, it, like more than anything else,

it feels like too much to take in. I can take it all. All right. Great. Thanks. That'll be on your gravestone. There you go. He took it all.

We isolated it. We stayed silent. So we've got that clean clip for you there. Watch this, guys. It's fucking great. Okay. Let's, let's move on. Shall we?

To the news? Oh, what's that? Monkey news. All right. I don't know. You know what's apparently news? What's that? Me.

Yeah. Yeah. Are you? I saw, huh? I saw. Apparently. Noted Jackass wants to get you in jail. It seems to be the article that's going around.

Horrible, horrible YouTuber gives terrible legal advice. Everyone's lives get ruined. This is the largest scale. No, you didn't got. No, you said, oh God, I've ever seen in my life ever. What do you know about the story? So woolly on his side channel, sister channel, whatever the fuck you want to call it,

where he puts up all his weirdo bullshit. I like to call it a shitposting. Shitpost, shitposting channel, put up a rather fun Tim and Eric style spoof about cease and desists and fan games in which he described, hey, shut the fuck up. Basically, we have been saying for years around here, it's like, listen, if you're going to make a fan game and you want that fan game to come out

and that's your number one priority, just shut up and release it. Just shut up and release it. That way it's out there and they can't stop its release. I've said the same thing on my stream. Yeah, I agree. Now you made a funny video that basically said that in a longer way and that got some groundswell.

Specifically, it got some groundswell from an attorney who knows a lot about video games and copyright law. In fact, his name is video game attorney. Video game attorney, right. And video game attorney points out quite accurately that this is a good way to not get cease and desisted because you can't get cease and desisted. But to get fucking sued to death hard super hard

and get fucked by the companies in question, right? Which then leads to people going, why is Woolly telling people to do things that will ruin their lives? And here's the, okay, there's the funny thing of like, it's a joke, you're not getting a joke. Like that's literally what's occurring here. But there's the philosophical thing,

which I'm going to put on. I'm not sure if this is how you feel with it. Because you post in that thing or you say rather, hey, this is jokes. I'm not a lawyer, you know, stuff like that, right? But here's the way I see it. I do think that your advice should be taken seriously because your advice is to people

whose primary concern is the release of the fan game, right? If that's your primary concern, don't get it out. Now, what happens to you after that, whatever, I don't actually care. I want my video game, but so that's the pat take. That's the pat take. The pat take is, no, you're right. Shut up, put it out, get sued.

I don't care. I have the Metroid remake now. It's mine now. By the way, Vinny, this is Pat. This is the guy. Okay, I have a take on it. But your real internal take in that video is, hey, why don't you just not have it say Metroid on the box

and call it space or whatever. And just change it to legal distinction so that you can make your own new thing that is new. And as no, right, give us the Vinny hot take. The Vinny hot take is knowing all that I know now, release it, call it a beta, say final release is on the way. But just make that the final version. Okay.

That's a thing I've never seen. So release it. That's an interesting. Assisted. Okay. And you go, okay, hands up. So that way, if they cease and desist, oh, no, I'll stop working on it. It didn't come out yet.

Even though you just released the full game under the assumption that it's a beta, unfortunately, I've just given away my secret. So now the tactic is known. Project M actually did. Project M was weird because it actually helped bring attention to Brawl. But there and it was a thing that's in the community where like Nintendo kind of doesn't want to touch it.

But they're not fond of it showing up at official events where they're involved. So it's a weird thing. So I know that you used a screenshot of Chrono Resurrection in that piece. Oh, in fact, I ran through the list. So a random list. Well, there's a lot missed. But a lot of painful memory.

But a lot of stuff that I remember. The reason I bring up Chrono Resurrection specifically is that Chrono is a somewhat unique case in which they continued to work on and finished that game and have it for themselves. But due to the cease and desist cannot release it. Right, right, right. That Chrono Resurrection totally exists.

It exists on multiple people's computers and they play it for funsies. And that's not always what happens when these things go bad. Sometimes, of course, the person making the game is like I it's so sorry. I'm just my head's all over the place. But it's so interesting because I've gotten, people have gotten in contact with me.

Yes. And developers have gotten, and fan game developers, have gotten in contact with me and had lots to say on it. And of course, video game attorney had what he had to say. And like it is definitely true. And there's no arguing that the soundest legal advice you can give to people is don't break the law. Don't do the illegal thing.

That gives you in trouble. And even if we're not talking straight up illegal, I mean, fair use, what have you. Whatever, like Nintendo doesn't want you to make fan games. Right. Period. So why don't you make, well, a legally distinct variation. So, so, so there's, you know, that's the thing.

And there's a case of that. I'll tell you about it in a bit, but go ahead. Well, right. And in the same sense, like let's play can be pulled down if the people that make the game don't want it to be recorded. It's true. We can look at. I am.

Current examples. It's true. A stream can be pulled out at any point. That's accurate. A cover of a song that, you know, you perhaps might have as your ringtone is technically also in the operating in that space. And I want to give an addendum to what will he say.

The obvious nonsense versions that we've all seen. We're talking about the actual person who actually owns the actual thing. Being like, can you not if they wanted to. So, and, you know, I kind of mentioned a little bit earlier, but it's like what I'm getting at is that there's a weird space that like exists where there's constant infringement on the in the average person's life.

And you kind of just maybe you know, of course, of course, not what's on your phone background. The same phone that official piece of Jojo, Jojo artwork. Well, you have you have it on your phone. Yeah, that's a piece of Jojo's bizarre adventure artwork that was not created by a fan that was actually done officially. Well, luckily, art has no value. So yeah, so anyway, but my point is that even fan art falls

into this category. Right. And and it's something and it seems to be have more impact when the thing that you make is in the same medium as the as the source. I remember there was a fear of about a year and a half go over some minor banal chains to copyright law freaked out a bunch of cosplayers because it would include them.

As well, copyright infringers. Well, I mean, when I was talking when I was discussing the use of like when I was discussing trademark holders and needing to defend their trademarks vigorously that like trademark on copyright law are actually. But in any case, I guess what I'm getting at is that like, yes, the sound correct thing to do is to never break the law. And there's a place, though, however, and it's a word to like this. It's really good about what if I really want to.

And I can't stop you. You're just going to make that fan game, no matter what. Then maybe learn from the mistakes of the past. Look at what happened in the past. Oh, and use that to teach you something to de-scum bag by myself slightly. When I say like, just put it out and follow your advice for real. That's only and I mean this very specifically. If your primary concern is that your piece of work gets out as is now to be

that now to get the full opposite side out there. The risk that video game attorney has mentioned is that you can release again. If you do, if you actually make a game in secret and then put the whole thing out there, it's not that you're getting people's attention over just thing that might eventually cut away from their profits. It's you're actively doing something to hurt our profits on this thing that on the property we own. Therefore, we can destroy your life.

And what he said is that this has happened to people and that there's NDAs. So the reason why you haven't heard about it is because they're not allowed to talk about it. So this is the scenario. But Corona Resurrection would have gotten out there. The scenario that he's describing. And in that context, in that vein, obviously personally, I would absolutely never want anyone's life to be destroyed. Let me get a ticker about how many.

Let me get it out there. I would never want someone's life to be destroyed over making a fan game. That's more than ridiculous. What if it was a really good one? And it's absurd, right? And in the tone of me just making shitposting videos of jokes we've had for a while in the podcast, I can't point and say, yeah, I was just, it was just a prank, bro, because. Yeah, you can.

I can. And it mostly was. But there's definitely a point in there where I'm, hey, guys, if you're going to do this, do it like this, right? And I also end on that note with where you can't cease and this is fun. And I go, just drop the link and put it out there. And there's nothing you can do because we're already having fun. That definitely is not accounting for the possibility that legal action can still pursue

you after you've done that. What if you just put on like a weirdo Russian cryptography? Or Torrents. Yes, sure. I was going to say, if you did it totally anonymously, just for the love of the project, if you're that selfless and the project means that much to you, just do it. Be anonymous, put it on a Torrent or whatever you got to do and just get it out there. I mean, yeah, but again, it's like, it's like, you know, the idea that you're doing this,

it means you're ignoring the fact that you're taking huge risks. And yes, you don't care about that part. You still want to make the fan thing. I also happily mentioned that like, yeah, there are tons of really awesome mechanical sequels to things that are not the same intellectual property. And we've discussed them on this podcast. I talked about a big budget one earlier called Prey. And when we talked about roguelikes and Metroidvanias, you know,

like it is something that happens. And it's honestly something that is your best bet because when you do that, not only is it legally, are you legally in the clear, you're allowed to make money on that. Whereas your fan game, you're always not. There's a decent version of the story in which there's some guys making a mod using Unreal Engine in which they were making a like over the shoulder, kind of a Resident Evil 2 remake in Unreal Engine. And they went to Capcom and said, hey, you want us to, you know, really go for this?

And Capcom was like, not really. And also, can you not? And they went, got it. And then they just changed it to a different game, which seems to be terrible. But hey, that game exists. And no one got in trouble. Now, it sucks because there's no way I'm going to. There's so much in my head that I've covered over, like, you know, this story.

And I'm not going to get it all out there because there's just too many points to bring up. But there's been like people have contacted me for the range of stories going from I've, I made a thing and it was the the fan game I made and I put it out there. And it was the best thing I ever did. Taking that risk was awesome because it landed me an official position because the people loved it. And they gave me a job out of it. And this thing became official. There's a wild variation of how cool people are willing to be.

There's the in between on things like Street Fighter Cross Mega Man, where it just becomes official. There's obviously the Sonic things where it doesn't speak for Sega as a whole. It speaks for Sonic and their appreciation of fan games. Then when that happened at a point and, you know, and then there's things like Metal Gear, where Konami gave the OK and David Hader voiced lines on the Metal Gear remake. And then it got still shut down after the fact because Konami, I guess it hit another department. Maybe maybe it was on the, you know, it hit the NARC department.

Like maybe it hit the devs and the devs were OK. But then the legal team was not whatever happened. It crossed wires and the large offices of Konami eventually came back and changed their minds on that being OK. Are you telling me that Konami was inconsistent and not cool about a thing? Yeah. And shocking. I used to talk about Grand Theft Endo being something that Rockstar was totally cool with

as a remake, but Red Dead Redemption V, which was a mod of Grand Theft Auto 5 PC, to be like Red Dead for the PC, since that doesn't seem to be happening, got shut down just this month. So anyway, all that to say that in this gray that we operate in where we like fan-made things and we enjoy them and as fans, we know that they aren't legally allowed to make these fan derivative works, whether that's a fan film of a film series, whether that's a fan game of a game series or fan art of an art series, whatever the case may be. Right?

We know that they're not OK and they just kind of, we accept them anyway. So when a fan game comes out for something that we enjoy, our first instinct is to just like it because we're fans of the series. Hey, JP. JP Doctor. Yeah, Skyrim made you made with us? Skyrim mod? It's coming after you.

Now let's ignore the fact that we voice acted that mod and gave you our exclusive right. So going to get you. At the end of the day, you know, my is my stupid PC a terrible piece. Is my stupid PSA terrible advice? Yeah, it is. I'm an irrelevant YouTuber. You shouldn't listen to what I have to say.

No, you shouldn't. I have no legal authority in that video. Everything that I say and especially that I put up on my channel is terrible. I'm disappointed by this. You should never listen to me. I'm super disappointed by this. You should never listen to me because I super agree with you in that video 100%. I have the worst opinions and you shouldn't listen.

I just want all the fan games to come out and whatever. But if you don't listen to it, but if you do listen to me and you don't listen to me now telling you not to listen to me and you do it anyway, then don't be dumb. Okay. Hey, we have an email section at the end of this podcast. If you go to court over your fan game, tell us how the judge reacted when you showed them Wally's video and whether or not you got a free pass. So, you know, I guess what I'm trying to say is if you get through all of the warnings

and you read what video game attorney had to tell you, you're putting yourself, you're lining yourself up for and you still don't care. Shut the fuck up. You know what this reminds me of? You know what this reminds me of? Shut the fuck up. This makes me think of an analogy. That's what I feel.

Um, listen. Okay. This is going to ruin your life. You could come under financial strain. You could have serious, deleterious physical effects. You could have problems with your friends and family that ruin your relationships. And if your response to that is, but I really want to get high on this meth right now. Well, I just don't tell anybody, I guess.

Right. Just get high on your meth and quiet. It's the science says there's landmines in that field. You stepping over the tape, you're walking into the zone. It's terrible. Oh man. It's a huge risk. I've talked about it before, but you shouldn't cross that line.

I learned about it from a Patton Oswalt bit. And it's my favorite version of that ever. I want my cap back that fell off my head on the roller coaster. I'm going to climb over the first fence. I'm going to climb over the second fence. I got my hat. I have now been decapitated by being kicked by someone's foot on the roller coaster. But I got my hat.

If you value your hat over your non-decapitated head, then keep on making your fan games. No, the destruction of lives is as an actual threat is fucking, I really hope that doesn't really happen. I don't know. There's plenty of people out there. We haven't seen examples possibly because of these NDAs. If we ever got an example, I think a non-NDA person that this happened to

would prove to be the ultimate deterrent in getting the message out there. So, you know, the thing that video game attorney was talking about would be huge, huge news if we actually saw a case and said, oh, here, here we go. Here's an example of this that happened to somebody. But I don't think we have, right? And it would be really positive for that message if that came out. We need the illegal fan game whisperer.

We need a guy out. We need Dark Alex to come out of retirement. And we need him to be the arbiter of fan games. And you send Dark Alex your fan game. And then he disreviewed it. Nice. Nice to have done. Nice.

Thank you. So, you know, and then some of the other interesting things came up in this discussion were about how sometimes a fan game is actually just a ruse where the person putting it up there intends for it to get shut down. Uses it as an excuse to get people to pay attention to them and what they're making. See, now that creates an audience. And then when it gets shut down, they go, ah, sorry, guys, they won't let me.

And you get off scot-free with the hustle. See, now that's great. See, that's good. You know? And I was like, huh, I never even realized that could be a thing. That's interesting. Other times, some developers wrote and told me that they, the reason why they didn't shut the fuck up or why they don't think that it's sound advice, or not sound advice,

but the problem with the advice is that, quote, unquote, advice is that they are not sure if it's good and it's almost like they want a sanity check by weighing it off the crowd. Well, all developers are all people making any form of creative work have that problem. Of course. Well, I mean, Matt and I, but way back when we started out, we, a thing we did thought the fucking Catherine video, and I remember walking out of Matt's apartment going, that's the worst video we've ever made.

For sure. 100%. And people liked it. Yeah. And there's other videos we've made. You were like, that was great. Oh, no. People hate that video.

So it's, so it's people that are like, before I commit a couple years of my life to breaking the law here and doing a thing that I'm passionate about, I want to hear that it's working or worth it or something like that. And you know what, like, I get that part of it too. That's just for your own security and devoting yourself to the project. But at the same time, it's still putting everything at risk more than it already is. All right. So I'm going to, I'm going to break new ground here.

I think that if you're going to break the law, you should go big or go home. And if you're going to go this path, you might as well just escalate straight to bank robbery. Well, priority, priority one for you is to just get the, get the game. Yeah. And you told me I would get it. So where is it? Right. And so, you know, in that sense, right?

See that, see, I have an indignant streak to this in which I resent game creators who get shut down on fan games and like, well, why'd you tell me? Now I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed in you because you didn't deliver with shame, ridiculous and absurd. Yeah. But, but, well, they, but, but you had to send anything. I wouldn't be disappointed that you represent, you know, some people that are like, yeah, like, it doesn't matter what happens to the creator.

Just I want to get the game, right? And that's to some degree, that's part of the internet. Yeah. And then there's the other side where it's like, you know, hey, man, don't, don't do this, change it to something else, make money on it. Right. It's a lot of time, money effort. It's a lot of, you know, whatever.

But I wish the creators of Chrono Resurrection had never told me that Chrono Resurrection existed. Whether or not it came out or not. Did you know about the other Chrono game? The Chrono Trigger Crimson Echoes? Crimson Echoes. Yep. That was in the video too.

So that got cease and desisted. And then another developer took an almost complete version of it and then made it Flames of Eternity and then actually changed it and released their own version. But they changed a lot of things. Like in this version, Frog and Ayla had a relationship. So yeah, it was just bizarre, like changes. So now at this point, it got cease and desisted, but then someone else picked it up with no consequences.

Like so Square wasn't even, apparently they didn't, you know, go that deep into it. And then an inferior version was, in my opinion, was released and we got that instead. So it was just like, it was weird because the thing came out. It leaked and then someone else took it and made it worse. But I was going to mention actually, I wanted to let you get your thoughts out because they're valid, good thoughts. I've been, I don't talk about it too much. Well, I've talked about it a little bit, but I don't go into too much detail.

But Nintendo was on my ass for streaming and making videos of corruptions and rom hacks and stuff. And I decided to continue doing so, you know, under the threat of losing my entire everything because for the same reason, you know, I'm not going to stop what I'm doing, you know, because they're not happy with something that I'm doing. And also, if it does go in that direction, you have to imagine people are going to make a big stink out of it. It's going to be a huge deal.

So I'm really, you know, I'm not stopping what I'm doing. Look at this brave guy. Well, I've tried, you know, I took it easy for a little bit after I had some issues, but then, you know, I just continue doing what I'm doing. But I was going to say on a final kind of thought, there's a game called, do you ever hear of Super Mario crossover? You know what that is? Is that the flash game that you play as a billion different characters?

Yeah, you can go through Mario Brothers as Link, as Samus, as... Yes, I have heard of this. Yeah, okay. Right, right, right. So that game, I don't know if I got it nailed, but what they ended up doing was they tried to create an original version with clone characters. Like we're talking the same gameplay, same attributes, even to some extent, the extent, the same walking animations, but like Mario's yellow, yellow.

He's yellow and he's got a miner's hat. He's yellow. He ain't much of a, he's a coward. But in this case, they took all the characters and made them clones, and then they did a Kickstarter that failed. And I got to show you guys, it's called Glitch Strikers now. Okay. It's, it's like the question mark blocks in Mario are now exclamation mark blocks.

Okay, this is my favorite. Well, no, I just like, I wanted to say something a bit about like, sorry, the Nintendo bit. Like just on contrast here, we did a video of New Super Mario Brothers U and it was a two-parter and we put the first one up and we got threatened and we fucking cowarded the fuck out. There's a more recent example. Because we, so you have huge balls, Vinnie sir, and you stand your ground

and that is immensely respectable because we're super duper cowards. I don't need to be brave. I'm a piece of shit. We are as well. And have the New Super Brother, New Super Mario Brothers U was at least three or four years ago. Oh, it was quietly a time ago. And Persona was of course, you know, quite recent.

Quite recent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Persona thing is, yeah. So we demonstrate no bravery whatsoever. The instant anyone gets on my face, I'm like, yeah, okay. Channel, channel wise, we just go nah, not worth it. And run away like huge, huge spine. Time for another Cabela game.

The collective channel's tail is right between its legs. And that's where we live. Yes. So props to you, sir, for, yeah. No, it's okay. I mean, I have, there's a lot at stake for me, but I think Nintendo's also very slowly changing their policy because around the time Super Mario Maker came out,

they nuked a channel. I forget his name. I really wish I remembered the channel. But he was a really good like Kaizo, like I think he made Kaizo levels. He streamed Kaizo games. And yeah, okay. He had 10k subs, 10,000 subs.

The dude made the news like massive, massive news stories about a guy who lost his channel with 10k subs. So when Nintendo came after me, you know, I don't think they realized at first that I had like, you know, couple hundred thousand subs and everything. Quite a few more than that. Yeah. And so I said to myself, and I, you know,

I don't want to go into full detail. I'm really, really don't want to bring up too much, but I'll say this. I had some contact and at one point I said to myself, I could remove all of my best videos, all of the stuff that people like for me, which is like corruptions, Mario 64 stuff, the stuff that I like to do from a company that I grew up with

that put me in a good spot when I was having bad times in my life because of some lawyers in Japan or I could stand my ground and if shit really goes down, I'm gonna make it public and I'm gonna go, you know, I'm gonna use it. I'm gonna use this. Yeah. I'm gonna fight it, you know, and I made that decision. And then I think around that time they started kind of

backing away a little bit about with some things and, you know, but by the grace of God, I still exist to this day. And I just streamed a ROM hack of Mario 64 where every texture was my face. It was... Well, yeah, I got a great idea. Unholy. I got a great idea that our friend Vinny has just opened my eyes to.

So Vinny, could you do us a favor and start a Persona 5 LP and you keep it like a week ahead of ours? And at the beginning, we'll start ours. And then at the beginning of our rest, hey, did you see this guy? He's really brave and go talk to him about this. And then so then just Vinny can just... He can stand his ground for us and then he'll just take it.

So what you do is you put on the canary suit and we put you in a cage and then we go into the mine shaft. Yeah. You keep our eye to see if you drop dead or not. Oh, man, they're really coming after Vinny, huh? Oh, boy. Oh, I hope he wins that. Oh, God, the Birch Dead. Oh, boy.

The Birch Dead. Oh, wait. I'm with you guys on that because I would feel the same way. I would want my own guinea pig, but here's the thing. I'm not into Persona. Sorry. Oh, darn. And also streaming is a little different, too,

because this is a new thing now where people are saying you can't stream portions of our game. Like, I haven't seen that yet. I know Sega did it with Puyo Tetris in Japan, the Japanese. And I love Puyo Tetris. I've been streaming it, but they're like, you can't you can't have the story mode on your stream.

And I was like, wait a minute, why is this now? This is not a good precedent to set. This is like, you know, as a streamer, I'm horrified at what could come next. It's like, why can't we share the game with the people that want to see the game? You know, I've inspired sales. I've heard a lot of people tell me they buy games

because I stream them. They bought Zelda because I streamed it, you know, et cetera, et cetera. We hear the same thing consistently of like, particularly with the Yakuza, Yakuza 4 Play, which Sega is iffy on. And we got so many people going, I didn't know this shit existed.

I bought a copy. And you know, there's always that. And there's always the, like, I love when, I mean, obviously it's nice when like, someone who did work on a game or is involved goes, oh my God, whoa, hey, cool, thanks, you know. That is always, that's always fun. So when you see it goes the opposite way,

it's not fun. And there's always, I mean, there's an invisible thing where even if you're playing something and you kind of know that like, oh, the dev fucking hates the tree even doing this. Like, I'm like, ah, I don't like that. But, you know, Vinny, they're calling you Tony Montana. Your message today is fuck the police, correct?

Am I getting you on the record? Well, I got a bunch of risk takers in here. Don't talk about fan game, stream everything. Let me, let me add to the fan game thing. I wouldn't risk, there are certain risks I would not take. There are certain risks I would not take because I do not need like legal shit in my life. I already have a hard time making pizza

or like managing, you know, like fucking taxes and bills. So if I had to do legal advice or I had to like have a lawyer in my life for like something related to a fan game, that would suck. So there are risks, risks I wouldn't take. I'm not that brave, I'm not that brave. But in this case, yeah, I felt like it was the right choice. But in other cases, I don't, what's up?

You won't be bullied off, off of your channel. Right, yeah. And I mean, you know, I mean, Nintendo stuff I like and I want to, you know, play it. So I'm going to fucking play it. But the other thing is when it comes to like, if I were releasing a fan game and there's a chance that I could get sued into oblivion,

I don't know if I would take that risk. So it's just a case by case basis. You know, you got to, how much balls do you have if you're making fan games? And what, you know, weigh the pros and cons. Yeah, one, you might get some attention from the media. Two, you might get your game out. But three, you might also be in a legal battle

for the next five years of your life. And you just reminded me of something really interesting, too, was there was another attorney that weighed in on the, because a big part of how that video spread is because it hit our games and was on top there for a while. And another attorney weighed in and basically said something that was the complete, not complete opposite, but his visit,

the other attorney's position was the problem with like, just going, don't do this, stop it, and taking the stance that, you know, VGA brought up, is that it basically ends up being one where you are playing damage control as the legal defense for the person instead of trying to get a judgment in your favor. So you basically accept the circumstances the way they are.

And he was saying that, like, why not perhaps take the stance of trying to challenge the law and challenge the way things are to see if you can get a completely overturned, you know, ruling that basically can set precedent for the future so that if people want to fight against this, they have grounds to. That's the point, yeah.

And I mean, again, when you build a legal case, and if you get pulled into court for this, like, you can choose how you want to approach it, you can go for that instead of going for the settlement or instead of going for, you know, a smaller judgment, you know? Well, it depends on who among us is the bravest, who among us is willing to fight, you know? I think I have a solution.

And the solution is, don't ever make anything of value that you wouldn't just abandon right away. Because that way, it's just easy to just give up on stuff. And that includes your children. So, okay. So, what you're saying is, fuck integrity. Yeah, it's a worthless concept.

No, fuck the value of created works. I see. Not integrity. By the way, you should probably take that t-shirt off. It's infringing on a million copyrights right now. Oh, man. I'm feeling so infringed right now. So infringing right now.

If somebody from Federal Theory wants to see my nips, I guess that's fine. I should probably take my shirt off too, because this is not an official skill of mania to you. However, you know, I don't want... Do you want me to take my shirt off? I mean, if that's where this podcast is going, I don't want... Oh, God, you guys need to stop.

I'm feeling so infringed. You're infringing on my nipple, right? Okay. Well, I'm just saying... You don't want to see the design that's on them? Yeah. Because that's infringing real bad. That's real bad.

We don't want to go there. But anyway, you know, that's all it is, I think, is just like... There's a weird place where we tend to operate in... Like, yeah, Vinny, what we do as a job is something that, you know, precedent has shown that, like, the company can cut down and come and cut us down. And it's similar...

It's funny how similar to fan games it is, actually. Yes. You know, where we're just... All that really matters is the feeling of a company going, hey, fucking stop that! And you're like, oh, but I thought it was cool. No, it's not cool. How many thousands of dollars have I spent on Nintendo products?

Only to, you know... But so, I mean, that's only one part of it, you know. But you destroyed more than that with your ROM hack videos. Well, and destroyed that value. And then there's the... So, yeah, you are... Some can argue, it's like, no, actually, we're helping your brand by doing whatever.

It's up to the... Well, I celebrate the brand. I mean... I don't know how to help David Cage's brand. I mean... People are not stupid. I mean, that's the thing with Zelda coming out. Zelda has proven that Nintendo gamers want something

that's a little unconventional, that doesn't hold your hand, that allows you to do whatever you want, and maybe is a little challenging. And I think that people are smart enough to realize that you are playing a ROM hack, especially when I start my stream with, oh, hey, guys, I'm playing a ROM hack. Or, hey, this is corruptions.

This is forced glitches. People are not stupid. So, if they're watching me play a segment called Bad Mario Fan Games, how... It doesn't hurt Mario's, you know, integrity. You know, if... Listen, if Nintendo is going to go after one fan game, they need to go after fan fiction of Mario and Luigi,

kissing each other gently, tenderly, and the moonlight, taking each other's overalls off slowly. Listen. Mustaches entwined. They need to go after that. Then they need to go after, like, people who draw Mario, a little weird. Vinny, you have completely sold me.

On this. You're right. They need to go after everyone. But then if we... If we can kill fan fiction, it will all be worth it. Okay, but then it becomes the adventures of Lario and Luigi. And then they put up...

If we can fuck up those weirdo supernatural doctor who fucking Sherlock fans. No, because... Then the world... Oh, man, I'm excited. All you have to do is change the names and you get 50 shades of gray. Aw, dammit! You become a millionaire.

A multi-millionaire. So what you're saying is all you gotta do is just change the names and make it Dario and Luigi. Speaking of... I said Lario and Luigi. Manny. In Glitch Strikers, the trailer I just linked you, Willie, definitely check that out when you get a chance.

They call him Manny. The level is almost exactly the same as Mario won. The goombas are just square. That's the difference. So, yeah, it's pretty... You can do that. You can change little details. But it's just such a weird thing like Sega.

I want to just bring up Sega for a second, because Sega hired, I believe, they hired someone who made fan games at one point. And they were like, wow, this guy had made really good stuff. Let's hire him. Let's bring him on. They brought him on.

And it's like everyone was like, Sega is so cool. So many companies are just taking down stuff. Sega gave this guy a job. And then Sega's like, you can no stream story mode in Pollo, Baby Game Pollo. You want to talk about Extreme? The ultimate that Sega ever did

was they took down everybody's Shining Force videos and all their channels so that their Shining Force like fucking guide and video could be the top of YouTube search results. That's the number one. My Bayonetta stuff got something weird happened there. I mean, didn't... Sega didn't have anything to do with that, did they?

I don't know, maybe. But in any case, yeah, I had some issues with... I think it was Sega. But yeah, they do cool shit. And then they do stupid shit. And it's just like, wow, can we get a consistent kind of stance on this stuff, please? We'll never get a consistent

because it literally depends on whose desk it hit. Yeah. Yeah, it was so weird when like the no ridden a big... Yeah, like did an episode talking about this whole thing. This man is trying to ruin your life. Stance was, we all feel the way he does, but we're all ignorant and don't know the laws, just like he does.

And here's the lawyer. So let's just dump it all on him. Yeah, I'm not a lawyer. I can't, I can't. So fun fact, a lot of people don't know this. Well, he's really bashful. He is in fact a lawyer. He went to law school.

He's totally a lawyer. I'm all of his advice is legally sound. In Quebec, I have to pass the bar elsewhere for it to actually be a thing. You totally beat me on that. Come on. You 100% crushed that. But that's...

Damn it. But if you're out there and you have a fan fiction and you want to release 50 Shades of Dario, then come talk to me and I can at least get you distribution and go back. All right. Just put on fan fiction. I don't know whatever the fuck it is.

All right. Throw that shit up a wooly versus. Oh yeah? Yeah. Does Dario have a mustache? Does he have a mustache? Yeah. And you have to work for him.

He's, he runs a wrestling league. It's a whole other thing. Okay. I wish Dario had a mustache. I wish. All right. All right. Okay.

We did enough damage control for your bullshit now. Is that what that is? I think it was. So now people aren't going to come to your house with pitchforks and be like, I'm going to jail because of your video. I have thought about just throwing up

another video of me saying all this. Don't do that. That is cowardice. Stick to your guns. No, no. The cowardice is pulling the video down, which I'd never do. Oh yeah.

Don't do that. No, no, no, no. Fuck you. Hell no. But what I would do is comment on what I already said. And yeah. You know, it's just what I say comes with caveats that, you know, you should take into account is all.

But I stay. I should just post a video of you eating glue. And it's like, would you trust this man with your legal matters? And, and I wouldn't expect someone who operates in that world to ever like, like even wink at you to condone you wearing an unofficial shirt

and having fan art on your phone and listening to unofficial covers. And you know what I mean? Like we have art that's printed on the walls here. That was. What are you talking about? I got licenses for all this. And yeah.

You know what I mean? It's all legit. The fucking perlers on our wall over there. Perler. Oh, that's, that's, that's a call. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, like I would never expect someone

that works in the world of defending that to wink and agree at that. Like, no. But we weren't, we live in an operating gray zone of like, yeah, we just kind of do it hoping that no one's going to come after us. Uh-huh. Luckily there are brave souls out there,

like Vinny here. Not that brave. And so please don't give me this reputation. Well, after, after, you know, you basically like standing your ground. I mean, where we look like huge yellow bellied fucks. That's fine. I can yell her.

Yeller bellied. That's what we got. I got no problem with that. Man. Which is the color of many from Glitch Strikers. He's Heller. It's true. God, I don't even think we can get into like a full docket here

because we discussed a lot. Yeah. But I mean, we can talk about some. Roybles were had. Some of the, some of the highlights and then some quick letters. Because we also, we, we did the praise story and we did the Mass Effect thing also. Yeah.

So those technically counted. Yeah. I mean, the other things to get excited about are Vanquish coming to PC. Woo! Oh, by the way, I recently played a, or actually my girlfriend played a Bayo on PC and I fucked around with the settings.

It's a really good port. It's, it's not like, it's not like Automata. It's not like Rising where it's a platinum game and which is like, it's okay on PC. No, the Bayonetta port is fantastic. It has everything that you would want, all the options that you would like. It makes me really excited for Vanquish.

Very excited for Vanquish. That being said, if you somehow missed Vanquish. You're a bad person and you should get on that. You should fix that problem. It's a problem. I haven't played Vanquish. Well, well, you should. Now you get the chance to have the ultimate Vanquish.

Here's the thing Vinnie, the best part about Vanquish. You stream quite regularly, yes? Almost every day. And you stream late into the night? Yes. You can stream Vanquish, beat it and then play something else. Because that game is short. Is that short?

That game is short. What are we talking like four or five hours? Yeah. You just sold me on it. You just sold me on it. It's a third person shooter, as you know them, with the Platinum Touch. Love it.

I love Platinum. Let's do it. It's fantastic. Vanquish coming to PC. And I like how in the trailer, they go frame rate, unlocked. Resolution unlocked in the same way that the actual ARS, the suit is unlocked in the game. It's fucking dope.

I saw a lot of PC die hard. It's going like, oh, why are there advertising, unlocked frame rate on a PC? That's how it should be. No, because it's a Vanquish. It's referencing the game. It's referencing the game. It's a thing.

Relax. Think before you type, please. Think. You're going to go? Yeah, we're going into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's with peace and love. I request that you toss your comments

and think before you speak. I didn't know we were getting characters today. This is weird. This is pretty cool. I didn't expect this. Hey. I'll stop. All right.

No. No, no more. Do the rest of the party. Now. No. All right. Okay. I'm not going to dance.

Yeah. Yeah. Look, anyway. All right. I'm not going to dance for you, Morty. We were talking about difficulty and whatnot and so on and Zelda games. Well, the Breath of the Wild DLC has been detailed.

I still think that the... How much was it? 20 bucks? 20 bucks. 20 bucks. 20 bucks. That's a lot. The hard mode doesn't change as much

as I thought it was going to. So what you're getting in the DLC first pack, because you're getting two packs for 20 bucks, we don't... I don't know what the individual prices are going to be. The second one apparently has like a new part of the world. Like a dungeon and stories. So the stuff that you're getting in this...

There's one thing that's fucking like... Oh, yeah. Trial of the Sword is the thing that you go through. It's the Cave of Challenge, Cave of Trials from the previous games. Yeah. And when you get through it in this game, it makes your Master Sword always powered up.

Yep. So that's cool. AKA probably Unbreakable. The Hero's Path is a feature that tracks 200 hours of progress of where you started and where you end up, so that at the end you can see a giant map of all the places you've been and where you haven't been. And then you can use that to complete like your exploration.

Super smart. Wished it was there from the get go. So that and the dubbing choice changes frustrate me a lot because those are features that would have been a lot more interesting to me before I had done 99% of the game. Yeah, I know. Same here. And I'm not going to play 130 more hours of the same game.

Yeah. Like the implications through the whole game over on hard mode. Well, dude, there's even, there's like the Korok mask that lets you like rumbles or whatever one nearby. Yeah, there's features and costumes that are coming in to help you complete. You know, but there's, what is it? Yeah, the hard mode has like enemies on floating platforms now

and every enemy rank goes up by one. Yeah. Or introducing a new rank into the game. I am very disappointed in that hard mode. I expected survival mechanics. Yeah. I want to survival stuff. I expected the necessity of food, the necessity of rest,

and food degradation. I think your cave of trials is going to be the closest thing because it's, well, then again. No, Woolly, that is a completely different kind of thing. It's a different kind of experience. One where you have to take constant breaks. Yeah. And in which scrounging is not like build it all up,

but now I'm invincible for the rest of the game. The funny part is that the mechanics all exist. Yeah. That's why I was baffled that that wasn't included. All those things are there. It's a PC game. This would be called Frostfall or Hypothermia. Also, just, I would have liked from hard mode,

just on this quick side note, the ability to not use food while you're in combat. And that would have been enough for me because then it means like, well, I guess I could do that by myself if, you know, if I really wanted to challenge myself. I hear somebody, they're saying, well, you could just implement that challenge on yourself. Yeah, that's a good point.

And the answer is no, I actually do need a mode to make me. Otherwise, you'll just do it. Otherwise, you'll just do it the instant you can. Just which specific thing? Don't use food in combat. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, there's all the costumes,

including like the Majora's Mask stuff, Tingle, Midness Helmet, Phantom Armor. And then, of course, we saw like all the Amiibo hacks where they have the full Fierce Deity Mask and shit like that. I'm not going to say I have the Fierce Deity outfit, but I do. Nope. Do you have an NFC spoofer? Someone sent me a card.

Don't ask. Somebody sent you a map. That's simple. That's pretty good. Oh, is the IO news in there, by the way? IO's in there as well. Oh, yeah. Let's really touch on that.

Basically, Square Enix pulled out of IO. So the company's not shutting down, but the part that was owned by Square has pulled out, and they're looking to see if they can find a new investor. Now, granted, this is not the company has been dissolved. This is not the company's bankrupt. This is not dooming glue. It's not even Hitman's Day.

And Hitman Season 2, by the way, Hitman is still totally on my IO, and Hitman Season 2 is apparently still coming. It doesn't even mean Hitman's Day. It just means that they are not involved with Square Enix anymore. I saw people freaking out. Oh, the Hitman read it was going on. And I wanted to be like, no, no, no, no, no. What is happening is not what you think is happening.

It means, if anything, they can get another investor, and that could be good. Like a nice, upstanding investor, like Bethesda. If they don't, or the EA. Until they do, the countdown clock starts. Yeah, because money. Yeah. So you exist on money.

Money required. And then, eventually, you're bleeding out too hard, and then you got to stop, staunch the flow. Didn't Hitman, the previous one, they tried to go episodic, and it didn't work out so well for them in terms of sales. And then they compiled it onto a disk and have Hitman professional as like the full game. And then the other thing about Hitman is that Hitman,

it's fantastic. It's probably the best one. Gotcha. I don't know how I feel about the episodic release. I saw a lot of people very into it because they had time for one Hitman mission, but I don't like that really schedule at all. I don't know. I have a lot of weird opinions based on internal factors of being there at the time.

Tell me about blood money again. Hey, what is there to say, right? It's just, you know, some decisions were good, some were bad, and here we are. The funny thing, though, with what ties into this actual story, because yeah, I imagine Hitman's going to be fine. Oh, yeah. As soon as we hear who's interested. Yeah.

But Capcom? This is just me jerking myself off. Why would? That's weird. Can we get the Hitman in Marvel Infinite? Well, what? Here's what's related. No, is also Square Enix news is there's a thief film apparently in development.

And on the film's website, they specifically state that a fifth thief game is being worked on. Boy. So I have. They broke this before Square did themselves. I tell you what, for no reason, because I never heard anything. I'm very confident that this will have no problems all in being. I have no faith in this game. Oh, wait, hold on.

Okay, hold on. No, wait, no, it's been, the story's been updated. And David, yeah, who's a cool guy? He's a cool guy. He's a nice guy. He tweeted out saying apparently we're developing a thief game. So now we have a title. We just have to build a team budget.

Forget it. So four minutes of this podcast. Yeah. Well, well, I did click over onto the studio's website to see where the quote was. And yeah, I was in the introduction paragraph, which I guess has been edited out here. Yeah. Yeah, it's been edited out. Movie people.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, there we go. A fifth sequel is currently in development to be released and in step with this motion picture. That is literally what we were talking earlier in which it's like, look, this is based off a thing that's happening. See, you'd recognize it's not new. That's good, right? You recognize it. It makes you feel comfortable.

I'm clapping. You feel comfortable because you know what it is. I clap when I talk with the video. I heard that name before. I'm fucking with those guys. Yeah, yeah. Me too. Yeah, that's a weird thing.

But, you know, again, Alfonso, you just said like fuck you. So maybe not. This whole thing was engineered to fuck with you. Hey, guys, quickly go get Alan Wake before it's pulled down forever off of steam. Do people have time? I bought it this morning. When's that happening?

Today, the 15th Monday, when this is being recorded and not Tuesday, when it's actually coming out, is the final day. So this sale is happening right now. So if you want Alan Wake PC, it's going to be pulled off today. So basically, it's a 90% off sale. The music in it is the license running out. So the game's five bucks or less than five bucks. It's $3 for the original Alan Wake.

Five bucks for the whole thing. But they're good. They're really good. So go grab that if you haven't. Here's what's dumb, and here's what I hate about the story. The reasons why this is being pulled down is because the music license for Alan Wake are expiring. So they're going to basically completely make the game not exist

anymore for retail because those licensed tracks are gone. Could you imagine a film disappearing entirely because its music license expired? I'm going to imagine that this has totally occurred. So 2001 Space Odyssey, relevant. Sorry. Can't have the rights to Beethoven or whoever. Sorry.

Gone. Can't sell it anymore. You can't see this. You're infringing on our rights. So every time... Really? Really? I didn't know that.

No, I'm lying. But imagine... Okay. I'm like... Oh, you got fucking punked, man. You don't like that. Because no, because the whole point of what I'm saying is that... Beethoven's like...

Until... Unless I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about... I'm not fucking dead. Unless I have no idea what the... Yeah, well, it's classical music. That would be crazy. He's very dead. So unless I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about,

when films have licensed music, it's in the credits. It's a part of the film. It's there. They don't have to worry about a time limit to how long they can use this music. I can't stand these deals. They make me so mad. There's a fucking... What is it in Mega Man Legends?

A fucking photo of a goddamn root beer or something on some fucking vending machine that Capcom lost the rights to because it's a real venue? Like, fuck off! It's annoying because I feel like it's the only medium dealing with this shit. You know who's cool? Is it Energizer? Yeah, Energizer's cool because their ads in Alan Wake, which are totally tension-annihilating,

they'll never go away. And they're cool with it staying that way forever. It's an actual argument for the EA style, connect to the servers to load the ads. No, it's an argument for... You're not doing it? Don't. Is the music deal you're making have a time limit on it?

At the end of the time limit, does it say the thing comes off for sale? If the answer is yes, don't make that deal. I was referring to the Crazy Mega Man thing you just talked about. Because that's an ad, not music. Oh, it's the worst. But yeah, music having a time limit for this medium is stupid and films don't have to deal with this shit. It sucks the games.

Well, yeah, but games are stupid and they have no value. Movies, that's a real thing that matters. Like, imagine... Like, Burdemic. Okay, well, here's the thing. The closest thing I can think of is it happens with MTV shows, because Daria, for example, and Downtown, and just about every cartoon that started out as an MTV cartoon had licensed music from MTV because they have broadcast rights to that music,

but you can't put it anywhere else. So all that music goes away. And when you release Daria or anything else on DVD, they're not going to have that music. I feel like... Beavis and Butthead, 60% of the content of Beavis and Butthead disappears. Yeah, that's all music videos. I feel like MTV shows, specifically what you're talking about in games, both have a similar problem that movies don't have in public perception,

and that's the view that they're somewhat transitory, right? Like, and game developers do this as well. I mean, we've talked about how back in the day, SEGA, people are walking through the offices and people are literally dumping fucking master copies and design documents into fireplaces once the game is shipped, and the view that like, oh, it's just games. Who cares about this? Like, I imagine around the table is like, oh, who cares? It'll be 10 years from now when the game comes out.

No, don't care about... No, I'll wait still a good game. And it's still playable under my... Because film doesn't have that problem because film will almost always, as long as there's a release of it, right? There'll be some medium that plays it. Well, again, imagine if you will, like Guardians of the Galaxy, one or two, every time you hit play, because music is such an integral part of that movie,

you fucking get free unlicensed music. Oh, that'd be great. That'd be great. Royalty free tracks. Well, also, what would you do with the Let's Plays of Alan Wake that are already online? Like, you know, are they going to go and take them all down? Well, has YouTube claimed their videos because they heard tracks that are copyrighted? I'm sure it's happened.

You know, we had to skate with some wrestling games that had flags because of the music. And we somehow found a way around it. Somehow. Somehow. It's pretty incredible. Yeah, it's stupid. And like, again, these are the only fucking things that have to be... The only medium dealing with this crap, you know?

It's the kind of thing, well, I'll appreciate a good piece of licensed music in a game that is like properly paced and well-fit in. But nearly every time I hear licensed music in a game, I think about something like this. I think about like... Here's a good example. When we did a Saints Throw 3 video for Machinima Way Back, there is a sequence in which you're jumping out of a helicopter to crash a rooftop swimming party and fucking Kanye West's power is playing over the whole scene.

Yes, yes, yes. And there were problems with that because it's like, YouTube's gonna come... Right? It's like, but it's part of the game, right? It doesn't... And it's like... And I think about like, is Saints Throw 3 ever gonna get re-released with the same soundtrack? Probably not.

I seriously doubt it. Yeah. Tony Hawk. Tony fucking Hawk. Thank you for the perfect example of how those re-released kind of fucked up because they didn't have the right soundtrack. That is exactly... That is the best example, yes.

And I don't... I almost don't want to play Tony Hawk without the music. No, I don't. That's what made it so great. That was part of what made it great. I mean, I got me... And it also got me into so much music that I wouldn't have never discovered had I not played the Tony Hawk series.

So I mean, they're just hurting themselves because music is in a lot of ways evergreen. People are still buying Pink Floyd records. People are still buying Beatles, Zeppelin. It's just because it's timeless. It's good music. And to discover that music, you might want to go back and buy a record. You might want to go back and check out the discography. So they're just hurting themselves in my opinion.

Make all your own original music, please. I mean, something like... Or just go the route of Revengeance or KI where you get the artist whose music you like to make your OST. Yes. Yeah, that's a cool idea too. Very good idea. So, yeah, let's get right into the males because there's some other...

Hey, if you want to send an email to us and ask us a stupid question that we'll hopefully give you a stupid answer for, send it to superbestfriendcast.gmail.com. Vinny, could you finish that off for me? Yes. That's superbestfriendcast.gmail.com. Thank you, Vinny. You're welcome. It's okay.

Wait, well, that's okay. That's the email address, everyone. Go to Whitney Stuff. Yep. That's the one. Oh, I love fucking with our guests. So, let's see what we got coming in here. Bad email number one comes in from...

Hokuto no Kun. Yeah? Wow. That's why we have Wally read the emails. Dear super worst legal advisors, recently I experienced something odd when watching a show. A big reveal happened and I was surprised, but then I remembered I'd been slightly spoiled by it a year prior.

That is a super weird experience. I hate that. Have you ever been spoiled by something and forgot enough to be genuinely surprised? Yeah. I'd say that happens to everybody. I can't remember any off the top. And I don't want to give context in case it ruins it for somebody. But I have had the thing.

I love it. Where I was playing and the big moment happens. And my thought process was, oh, that's what that guy was talking about. Way back when, yeah. Way back when. Because at the time that he was telling me, I had no idea what he was talking about. I had no idea what he was talking about. And actively, I know sometimes if it's something I don't know anything about the series or whatever,

it doesn't matter because it doesn't stick. But if it does stick, I try to forget in weird ways. And if you wait long enough, eventually you'll be fine. But then it'll hit and then you'll go, oh, which is the best you can hope for. Has it ever happened to you, Vinny? Yeah, I've forgotten some things. If I play a game that's two years after release,

I usually tend to forget whatever spoilers were big at the time. But I try to spoil myself more so that there's all kinds of fake spoilers and misinformation in there. So I don't know what the fuck to believe. I want to give a big thumbs up, big shout out to all the fake-fake-fuckin'- Spake? Spake-foilers. All the spoilers. Spake-foilers.

All you spake-foilers that know all you fake-spoiler-troll-assholes out there going around. Is that going to be the name of the episode? No. Telling people bullshit and character deaths that don't happen. You people are the best. And that's the best. That's my favorite. I have had things saved for me due to liars.

Yeah. I have had the kind of twist-ending kind of things ruined for me. It's like, oh, man. And then somebody just goes, oh, that's not actually what happens. Actually, it's this. And they have a more plausible, spoilery thing that's completely wrong and made up. And they've saved it for me. And I appreciate that.

It takes foresight. It takes foresight and empathy. It's a good thing. It's a good thing when you fake-spoil. Uh, thanks, Hokuto no Kun. They're already black. Let's take one from... There's...

Oh, by the way, underlying current huge, big, big racism, by the way. In case you didn't know what you were associating with Finney, just letting you know. Oh, what? I thought when you said Kun, it was K-U-N, like the Japanese. Unfortunately, that's not what the person who wrote the letter wrote. No, they're just into trash pandas, dude. And, um, yeah, yeah. Huge, huge, uncomfortable racist undercurrents.

Yeah, you know, well, we really got to talk about it. You need to cut down on all your racism. It's very uncomfortable. All right. Does that include me existing? Yeah. I'm over here totally. And you're bringing me down here.

You're down. What am I doing? I made a mistake. I got to go, guys. Oh boy. Oh boy. Big, big mistakes. Yeah.

Oh, no, wait. Vinny met me in real life. So he, you know, I know. Okay. All right. Cause I never, we had, um, we had Xavier Woods on the podcast before, uh, from wrestling and like, it was just this great moment where we're like, obviously he has no idea who I am. So, so like, I was like, oh, are you of the dark persuasion?

I was just like, is that how he said it? I believe he was something as close to those words and it was right to the core. It felt great. All in. Wow. Congrats, Wally. It's working. All right.

Let's move on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get away from that as fast as possible. Yep. Yep. Yep.

Yep. Yep. Um, okay, let's take an last one from Green Goblin 86. He says, they're super whatever. I was at an injustice tournament and I was paired up to fight a seven year old child. I'm 30. Yep. Was genuinely surprised at how skilled the kid was.

Oh yeah. Doing cross ups, waiting for confirmations, properly defending. He was legit better than me at the game. So I scummed him out using stage damage and supers and secure to win. Yeah. He had the crowd on his side and it was even, and I was even complimenting him. Yeah. But a light left his eyes as I was slamming him multiple times with the pig projectile in the

Arkham stage. Yep. Did I teach the kid that nothing's off limits at a tournament? Or did I hinder his ability to enjoy the game? You did both and you did a great job. And you just, you destroyed that kid's spirit and fuck that kid. He needs it. Commendable.

He'll be strengthened. Absolutely. Now he'll come back with a greater fervor and fire within his soul. Or he'll cry and never play in justice again. But you did the right thing and that's what matters. The important thing is that you sped that process up. That will happen inevitably. That will happen.

Such as life. Somebody will destroy you and be a cunt about it. So it's better to get it out of the way early when you're weak so you can move past it. Look, man, you tossed the kid off the mountainside so we can climb back up. The kid shows up to a fight club. You kick that kid's ass, break him, throw him off the mountain into the volcano. We know this. All right.

The Hey Hachi. Kazooia became a huge badass. The Hey Hachi daycare methods are super effective and need to be respected. That's true. All right. Simple as that. Let's get into what's coming up, what's coming out, and then let's get out of here. All right.

What new, what, you got anything coming up on Woolly versus again? Let's start with Vinny. Oh, whoopsie. I fucked up. So what do I got coming up? Yeah, man. What's going on on your channel and what are you looking forward to?

Um, I don't know. Nothing. No, that's right. That's valid. That's what I'm streaming. I'm streaming Mario RPG. I've been streaming for seven years and, you know, I've never streamed RPG, which is weird, but I love the game.

I'm going to be, you know, this week going to be tackling it. And I've been streaming a little bit of Dead Cells. Got done with Zelda a few weeks ago. And yeah, stuff like that. I've been also Pollo Tetris is pretty great, really addictive. Mario Kart, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has been a lot of fun. So I mean, if you stop by my channel, you'll see me scream and rage and be salty at Mario Kart. And I guess in terms of other things I'm doing, I got an album coming out.

Second album, uh, my band coming out in a few months. So there's that. If you like rock music. Yeah. And what's the, what's the band? It's called Red Vox not to be confused with Red Box or Red Cox. No, don't want to make that mistake. Don't ever make that mistake.

Definitely not like my business cards that say Red Box band. Don't ever make that mistake. Yeah, it's bad. Or like the dude who sent me two Red Dildos to compliment the release of our first album. For real. I mean, sometimes people celebrate in different ways. Never know, man. Never know.

Will you be playing, uh, Pollo Tetris story mode on stream? Uh, the Japanese version is the one off limit. Uh, apparently I can stream and I have streamed the story mode a little bit activity. I can't condone breaking the law. I can't tell you that if you are, if you are going to do it, that you should probably shut the fuck up about it. Well, well, the good news is doing his plug. He has to tell us.

The good news is I'm not interested in the story very much. I know it's silly and funny and all that, but I've been just playing the Pollo's and dropping them into the things because they look like Korok seeds. What's a Pollo? A poop. It's one of the little, it's one of the little dudes from the puzzle that you, it's like, you know, the Pollo's.

I have no idea. Okay. I know what Tetris is. You know what? Your life will not be enriched in any way by knowing the answer to that. That's cool. I can live with that. Good.

Yep. Uh, cool. How about you guys? Over on the main channel, of course, we've got more Yakuza. We have, yeah, much more. We may have to do with, there's going to be a spot missing, depending if Matt gets back tomorrow. So we're going to have to do one off something probably.

All right. We'll probably be a one off earlier on Wednesday. And there's definitely, you know, Matt and my night in the woods continues as does the crimes. In LA Noir. No, man. Solving crimes. Solving crimes.

Creating crimes in night in the woods. Solving crimes in LA Noir. Reading facial expressions and gas making stupid guesses. It has to listen. Does this guy guilt? Oh dude. Oh, so, so the, the subtle facial cues of LA Noir. Well, I love that they show the, the, the, the old guy example.

Or he's like, was there anything else in that wallet or whatever? He's like, what? No, I didn't see anything. It's Larry David-ing all over the fucking place. So fucking bad. Pretty, pretty, pretty. Pretty empty. Pretty empty wallet.

Anyway, so that's going to be going down. And yeah, over on Willie versus, of course, there's, I don't know if I've got any other stank PS, bank PSAs to stank. To stank? No, you want stank PSAs. Yeah. Yep.

DS, stank DSLs. Oh, Willie's getting a phone call. Yeah. You almost made it. Almost made it. So close. Almost made it. Right before we sat down, he's like, oh, Mike,

get a phone call that I actually have to take. Yeah. And, and, and avoiding it. Or were they like, what, four minutes at the end of the fuck? It sucks. I was like, ah, maybe, maybe, maybe. Fuck. All right.

Well, oh, I'll retry. So tell me about your stank PSAs. Look, there's no more stank PSAs, but there's stankonia. If you like table lords, you can watch all of that. That's such a good segue. And of course, there is more Naruto. And always more Naruto.

More Guns to Heads. And in fact, a couple other like stupid shitpost ideas that I'm brewing, brewing in the chamber. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's gotta, it's gotta brew in the chamber before it comes out. Because it's spicy.

And then you upload it and then the internet takes it, whether they like it or not. That's foul. That's over on Wally versus Dan. How about you, Pat? Hey, I, I'm proud. You know the surge, you know that Dark Souls game that's made by Dark Souls?

Yep. That comes out in two hours. Cool. That's good news. Uh, so I, I, I learned earlier before the podcast like, wait, this is coming out six PM on a Monday? That's okay. So I'm going to go stream that over at Angriest Pat.

All right. Cause I need to know if it's good or not. And I can't find out whether it's good or not. There's no reviews. The, the, the like impressions are all over the place. Extended gameplay footage looks fine. I, I want this to be good so bad because of the setting. Yeah.

I want that to be good so, so bad, but I'm afraid that it's, because it's made by the Lords of the Fallen guys, I'm afraid that it's not going to be good. Diesel Souls is what they called it. So that's over at Pat Stairs out on Twitch. Hey, you never taught Vinny. You didn't do your, you didn't finish your plug for your Twitch. Never set the Twitch location, location.

It's just everything that you, if you just Google Vine Sauce, you'll find me. I mean on Twitch, it's Vine Sauce on YouTube. It's Vine Sauce and on Spotify, it's Red Vox with a V, not a C. Or a B. If you hear a thwomp and a one up, then you're in the right place. Vinny, did your business. Yeah. Fringing.

Oh my God. Look at you infringing on the law. Look at you going again. How dare you brand yourself with an iconic piece of Nintendo music as your, or sound effects for that matter, as your brand's like identity. How dare you? Can I get the cash?

Actually getting after me for a brand infringement of Patrick, the saints or whatever. Can I get that? Actually, you can. I'll tell you a little, little story very quick. That was unintentional for one when I, when we started on live stream, I used the one up mushroom just because I was lazy. I needed an icon and people loved it.

They ran with it and then it became the vine shroom. So that was accidental. I didn't actually necessarily intend for the shroom to be our thing, but it kind of just did that naturally. And that video you saw with the sound effects, I commissioned L Sid to make an intro and he just made that with the thwomp noise and the one up and I was just lazy. So I left it.

So yeah, I mean, unintentional, lazy infringing. I guess I'm sorry. I don't know. So the fun, the fun part about like the Kirby theme that is two best friends play is that it was used because the first game was Kirby's epic gun. And we just kept, but then Matt was like, how funny would it be if they were playing? What was the second game?

Silent Hill. And you were like, we're playing Silent Hill. And we just used that super Kirby theme and then it was like, fuck it. Why not? And then the gen was born or should I say like, like not quite born as much as ripped out. And it's, it's, it's still the defacto theme, but we try and get fancy intros made, which always have unique stuff themselves.

Matt and Pat. Nope. Do I even know the thinking and John? You see, everyone knows that song better than me. Love and friendship. Nope. Best friends playing together.

There was a lost, a lost theme song. It was in like two episodes, like in two or three episodes. And the reaction was clear. Was it clearer than the face cam idea? It was not as clear as that. If I, if I may not mind you, if I may feel free to throw Matt right out of the table. Was it? Yep.

Because I remember standing on a soap box and yelling at both of you, how terrible that idea was. The parody is fine, but not genuinely doing face. Now granted, Matt's going to come in and he will correct me because I'm wrong. And it was probably my idea. I swear I was yelling at you going, this is the worst. It is everything we hate. Don't actually do it.

And then, you know, I'm going to, I'm just going to, Matt's not here to defend himself. So I'm just going to throw him right out of that. Oh man. For the record, I don't really do face cam either. But I've unfortunately played fake drums with those two red dildos I told you about earlier. You played fake drums with the dildos? Yeah.

It was like a fake eye toy shovelware thing, you know, like the plug and plays. It was a camera and there were drums and I played the dildos with the drums. And that's, that's one of the few times I've been on camera on my stream. Cool, right? That's legendary. That's amazing. Thanks, mate. That's, you know, I mean, quite frankly, like, if you're going to put it out there.

Oh, whatever we do streams, we always have a camera on us because everyone needs to see our disgusting bodies. And, and when, and like, if we're going to play a thing, like, Oh, is that funny? Do you finish? Is that hilarious? It's kind of cool. If we, if we do stupid things like play fucking Ninja Turtles games, and we can see how horrible and terrible that technology is,

then you 1000% need the camera running. Sure. Yeah. No, there's, there's times. There are times, man. Facecam is disgusting. Says man hosting a video podcast on Twitch. Oh, hold on a minute. Hold on a minute.

Disgusting bodies must. Yeah, pull the thing up so we can see it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, whatever. Whatever. Whatever. You know what, you know, I was going to do the single shot just to get all up in like the pores. Just the pores.

Yeah, but that plays excellent for the listeners on the phone. Oh, they know the 4k 60 frame per second. They know what our faces look like. They've gotten in there. They've used the magnifying glass. They wish they HD facecam. It was a mistake. Yeah.

It was terrible. Oh, well, I'll get the best friends where we got some AD cams. Oh, you can't see. You know what? Let me pull up how bad this is. Oh, it's bad. What is it? So, oh no, X was supposed to get some minor.

It's not going to work. What did you do? It's not going to work. I did tell me what you did. We're going to try and end the podcast here, and we're going to try to end it. Well, so I'm only getting a side view of the laptop, and I see Willie opening more and more menus,

and nothing's changing. It's the dumbest, but it's fine. Why is it saying guest Freddy Williams? That's super old. That was like three months ago. Thanks for listening to the video games. Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye, everybody.

Thank you, Vinnie, for coming. Thank you for showing up. Vinnie, you're a very nice guest. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it, guys. Be sure to go check out Vine Sauce. Be sure to go check out Vinnie at Vine Sauce. He does a lot of cool science stuff on his channel.

It's really cool to watch. In six seconds or less. You shit. You