Castle Super Beast - SBFC 252: Leave Westworld To Me

Episode Date: June 26, 2018

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Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. What now? Yep. Yep. Okay, so I asked a question, but the thing wasn't on, so I'll just ask it again. Hey, is it true that Chakra was invented by aliens in Naruto? Like I said, I never got that far. I don't know. If you know the if uh, aliens invented magic. I'm getting there with Reggie slowly. We'll figure it out eventually. I'm playing Naruto. Oh god, I got so fucking confused. I thought, I thought you were saying that Reggie Fizeme was like reading Naruto. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. And that you're like, yeah, you're trying to keep pace with Nintendo of America's Naruto knowledge. No, if anything, I have to keep pace with Snoop Dogg because when last we

checked in, he was reading volume one on his plane. So, you know, he keeps up. Snoop Dogg's like. Also, we know that, um, I think we know that Kim Kardashian watches Darling in the Franks, apparently. So, you know, anime, that's a thing. Mm-hmm. Hello. Hi. What an awkward start. Yeah. Matt is unfortunately in the hospital right now with an infection. I would call that sick as fuck. And he's not looking great. So, you know, thoughts and prayers, the two heroes to save the day. Alternatively, probably a pair of pliers. Yeah. This problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, we'll, we'll, uh, see, see how he's doing. But, uh, yikes. Um, hopefully not like fucking like actually yanking, you know, because whatever, we'll see, we'll see. God bless.

As somebody who has had an astonishing amount of dental surgery, you'd be fucking shocked at the solutions that are available to like this, this has got to come out. Yeah. I mean, my mom always scared me by telling me the horror story of getting all four wisdom teeth pulled at the exact same time. I did. Yeah. Yeah. That's the nightmare. I think we talked about this before. Hell yeah. And it's just like, oh, that's two weeks immobilized. Yeah. Because just the level of pain on a day to day basis was not one that she could like actually function. She not take the pills they gave her. I don't know. I assume she did, but it seems like maybe it wasn't enough. I took the pills they gave me and they didn't do nothing. And then I had this big bottle of Percocet with this huge ass

fucking bottle of Percocet. I was looking at it and I was like, this is back when I worked at the grocery store. And I'm like, man, I bet some of the guys at work would give me a shit ton of cash for this Percocet. Oh yeah. And then I was like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. You didn't sing the Percocet song? No. Percocet. Molly Percocet. Oh, Percocet. Yeah. Percocet. Yeah. I'm not familiar with drug culture. There's there's a well that I didn't say drug culture. That was a hip hop song, Pat. Whatever. Shit. Whatever drug culture. Yeah, drugs don't work on me. Oh, okay, okay. Drugs don't work on me for nothing. Yeah, it sucks. That's a thing that happens to people. And I could probably fucking shoot dope and just be like, Yeah, well, you know what that

means, though? Yeah, I'm a superhuman. No, it's the opposite. It means that mother nature wants you out of the gene pool. That shit would have you done in right quick. And back in the day. So, you know, you're lucky that we're like too tough, man, we've gone from super modern medicine to ultra modern medicine where like even people with allergies to the things that save you can survive. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like when you have anti antibiotics, what not probiotics, but like the antibiotics that make you sick, then you have to take the other kind that like really fuck you up. What the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking about when you are when antibiotic when you're the type of person and you can't take antibiotics. Right? Yes, this is a thing. Yeah.

And they fuck you up. Yeah. So instead, you have to take the other kind. Oh, yeah. And that actually is an anti bio. Yeah. And that actually works. Then it's like, we've gone so far that we've solved the problem twice in multiple ways. It's weird because like I should I should know that because like my dad has a lethal allergy to penicillin. There you go, which he discovered as a child back in the fifties, which was probably unpleasant. Especially considering penicillin was the only thing they got back then. Yeah, take your medicine. There you go. It's like the anti anti Dempsey roll. Or wherever the fuck that left off. If I remember the anti anti I remember the anti Dempsey roll was just an accurate right hook. That's all it was just onto the yeah. It's

like, man, this guy's got a really accurate right hook. He's spinning. He's spinning. No, he's not. Okay. And then the anti anti Dempsey roll was what if the I see, I see he's going to do the hook and then I just kind of go, I just got to stop a little bit hit the brakes and then all the plain noises. Oh my God, he hits the brakes and then he reverses the momentum the other way and you're like, Oh, yo, megalobox is good. That's a good show. I like how megalobox was a cool anime concept. And then it turned into a show for woolly. And now it's really double turned into the show for woolly. Oh, man. And the whole like the whole premise of the story is or of the setting is now like,

abjectly stupid. It's so and there are characters in the show going, this is stupid. The thing I wanted so hard, not only happened, but then the like all the reservations about how dumb the rest of it is get exactly get amplified by the thing I want. Our characters literally looking at the camera going, this is a dumb match. We shouldn't even have this dumb match because it makes no sense in the TV show that we have. So good. It's so good when the thing I like makes the rest of it seem even worse and dumber. Yeah, megalobox is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is what it was going to say. That's ending this week soon. Yeah, yeah, because it's a short one. It's a 10 episode or 13. No need to go on. However, like, Akka is going for another one. A couple. Yeah,

man. Do you do you have your ideals? Do you keep your ideals? That's the last half the back half is fucking you need to set up, man. I hate to set up. I I all I'm going to say about my hero academia is like, I want to hang out with more of their parents, dude, like straight up, like back who goes mom is now like, like number two way to have a fucking random just show up and be like, Oh, you're like the best character in the show. Yes, back who goes mom is the shit. I love everything about that. And I need more. I need so much more of back who mom. Wow. Back goes dad, you get out of here. Yeah, he's a calm guy with the same explosive hair. Anime Ned Flanders, but she's just like fucking dunking him. And it's so solid. I would have gotten to see everybody's

parents. We only get to see like back goes and because the funny thing is, have you seen Stranger Things too? I have not actually. Okay. Because there's that and like, you know, even in like a couple other shows as well, like a very typical thing to do is like, when you see the bully at school, it's really shitty. You eventually have the moment where you cut back to the bully's house, and the bully's getting their ass beat. Yeah. And there's some shitty parents. That's very 80s as hell. Exactly, right. And there's a hard there's a there's definitely a solid moment of that in Stranger Things too, where it's like, oh, look at, look, you know, what you what you reap is what you sow. Yeah. And, you know, it's always like a damn, oh, that's a shitty situation that that

kid's in. So he's putting out, he's expressing it the way he does. That's exactly what's happening with back ago. And I love it. But with, but with, but with like ego, yeah, with like crazy ego, but it's like, oh, this fucking asshole of a lady, this dick of a lady is fucking smack it up her kid and the kids being like, and everyone's just exploding. And it's like, it's the best. Oh, fuck. Yeah, it's great. Good times. We don't even know what our quirk is. So we'll see who gives that we'll never know. Yeah, I know those characters. No, you get the feeling that those characters like show up and now they're gone, like, because they don't fucking matter for shit. Yeah, yeah, that's fun stuff. Oh, man. Anyway, so yeah, things happened this week, I

suppose. Yeah. Matt ate a big candy and hurts to know. Hey, Pat, do you want to do a one sided spoiler cast of Westworld season two? Because I know you didn't finish it. I didn't start it. Okay. So, but you don't care about being the receptacle. I didn't start it because you watched the first episode and went, and I'm like, you know what, that's the noise that makes me wait until the season is over. And then that turned into overtime. And this morning, you came in and said Westworld at me and then looked at the floor and described like misery in your life as a result of Westworld. So you know what? I'm not too hung up on Westworld spoilers. Okay, not to not to. Well, you just you can just be the receptacle for my boiling piss. Okay, you know what? Can we can we can we walk

that's what we're gonna do that. We're gonna do that. And that'll be later. Yeah, I'll be that'll be later. If you've if you've watched it and or have your opinions, that's nice. If you haven't and you don't want to get spoiled, then tune out at that point. We'll give you a fair warning. And here's the problem too. Like, I'm fucking I'm coming in hot. Yeah. And one last night. There's yeah, and there's a lot of dumb shit over every week that I haven't like taken notes on. So I know I'm gonna forget shit. I'll don't worry about it. You know what I mean? And I know there's season one shit as well and things just but like there's a moment to moment annoyance that would just have anyway, we'll get there. We'll get that at this point. I'm like the way season one ends

like I'm like, that was a fun show that ended. Yeah, because you can you can totally end it right there. And it's the most frustrating version of this because there's cool shit that happens in in in the season. It's not a complete train wreck. There's some great ideas that you see set themselves up. So we'll get there. Get there. Um, well, what the fuck is that? Oh, this over here. Yeah, this be the mix box. What the fuck is that? This is an arcade controller. But notice I didn't say stick because there's no stick on it. It's actually literally a a WASD keyboard thing that replaces it. So basically is that you know the hitbox? Yes, it's like a hitbox except the the joystick is replaced with a WASD keyboard. The hitbox uses regular buttons on the left

plate. It's just all buttons everywhere. Yeah. And this uses keys. So this is exactly so and it's based on if you have a preference for like old keyboards and that's this is for the folks that learned how to play fighting games on their goddamn PC emulators. If you just which a lot of people grew up playing PC, there's a lot and there's a you'd be surprised like there's actual people at tournaments walking around with their keyboard and like controller converters to plug in. That's a thing that happens sometimes. Does that just plug into a console? Yes. Yes, exactly. So this is the this particular one. Can you hand it over? Yeah, sure. Um, yeah, there you go. And the folks who made it mix box like sent me one and said, Hey, try this out. And I was like, okay.

And initially upon plugging in, there was totally some driver foibles where like after a couple of minutes it would do the disconnection thing, which is what happens with like like unlicensed PS4 controllers and such. But you can update the drivers to fix that problem. Boy, that's awful to my hands. The thing my hands specifically because I never played I never played on keyboard. I feel like so. I feel like this is a pretty solid for people that are used to that. The hitbox also is definitely like the main the main difference between the two is kind of like the positioning of where jump is on it on a hitbox is where your thumb is it's beneath everything. So you have three on top and then you have a thumb rest on the bottom and it's more

it's weird, but it ends up being more natural in play. Like you just have to you have to look at it and kind of turn your head sideways and then you go, that's weird, but then trust in and after getting used to it that it works, right? In this case, it's just straight up WASD. And yeah, like I was doing I was playing like Dragon Ball Fighters with it and doing like instant air dashes like super easy. Oh, yeah. No, there are certain things that even I would recognize are trivial because you have digital inputs literally like every direct like any sort of like chicken block or like any precision right becomes like like mindless because yeah, you're absolutely you're exactly where you want to be at the seconds you want to be there with your fingers. But for

somebody like me, the precision would be there, but the broad strokes would get all fucked up due to what we're used to, right? Just straight up like muscle memory. The I feel like like faster paced games benefit from having this type of thing. So like anime, marvel, hyper games, things like that, you know, yeah, Skullgirls like like fast paced games would definitely be like any games where you need like a lot of aerial control, you know. So yeah, that's a no it's a solid controller. The switches on it like I know that there's different types of keyboard switches. I think blue are like the ones that I like have the highest level of resistance. I fucking love those because that's what my keyboard at home is made of. It's like a the tactic tactile

keyboard that has sure what I have at home. I does it click hard when you press each key. No, no, no, no, I used to have reds when I used to have the I think I'm using a Logitech keyboard. And I think they make their own mechanical switches. Okay, that are supposed to emulate reds. But it's I've had the thing for like two years and I did all the research at that point. And now I've forgotten all of it. Okay, but I definitely feel like a bump when you put when you push in the key just a little, then it's probably brown. Yeah, maybe, because like there's there's basically like there's different others like there's like blue black brown or whatever one and like blue is like loud click you feel it it goes. Yeah, I love those. I personally

can't stand that. And I also can't stand the extreme opposite end where it's just soft the feather touch. Yeah, or the black and man, this is some fucking keyboard hipsterism coming right at go for it. But after you've used mechanical keyboard for a while, going back to the plastic switch, not even a thought. Fuck off. Exactly. Yeah. So so like you came in like standard keyboard, like it's absolutely I remember when you made the switch to bloodstorm last year or whenever the fuck it was and there is no walking that back. So anyway, the touch of and like even like a laptop key, yeah, is like, you know, like it's just not the same. There is a wild variation in the field of laptop keys as well. And there's no changing that you're stuck with whatever you got.

So I'm not sure if these are keys that you can replace to make them more clicky, but I would love to do that. And I think that's to me the one thing I would want to change to make it. Well, those are mechanical keys, right? I'm not certain they might be replaceable. And if they are, then like fuck, that'd be great. That fixed my one thing because right now they're a little they're they're a little soft to the touch for me. But of course, the actual like buttons themselves are son was so they're solid. So yeah, shout out to make box mix box. Thank you for that. It's definitely one thing that I can say is that what I look over it, I'm like, I keep having that like where's the fucking stick? Yeah, it's so weird. I mean, one thing that is

very clear and obvious too is that there are now multiple people I know that have wrist problems due to either controllers or sticks or video games in general. And like one of the one of the best anime players like in Montreal, posh P is a dude who has like he wins blaze blue tournaments, but he fucking has is getting like, you know, wrist issues. And so he's had to switch over to a non joystick controller. I remember, I mean, like, have you let me just ask you, have you ever personally had like hand problems as a result of playing games or typing or anything like that? I don't think so, except for the infamous 3DO controller with the fucking button hole in the middle that put a boil on my thumb. Okay, like that's the that's the worst one I can think of.

I mean, we got Liam who famously like his wrists are shot because of Kid Icarus. Yep. Sakurai himself. Sakurai himself. Sakurai sounds like he has he came in with a with a bad card with degenerative like wrist disorder and then then Kid Icarus on top of himself and then played his own games. Yeah. We got God, what was there was a smash player that this was a massive kerfuffle over. It was a melee tournament and they used it wasn't it wasn't a mixbox. Smashbox was a smashbox. Yeah, smash. And there was a massive kerfuffle over whether or not that should be allowed. And it was because there were a couple of the higher end players that are like our wrists are falling apart due to the bullshit that melee requires. Yeah, we we fucking actually

we invented this device. Yeah, to make our hand stop pain. And I mean, like watching the the demo of that in action, too, is like nuts, because like every single high tech thing that you'd be worried about with an analog stick is recreated perfectly. Yeah. Um, it's it's honestly a serious concern if you play a lot of these games and like you play them intensively, but like, yeah, you're gonna fucking destroy your wrist. And and on me like what how I found is that on certain controllers with certain like demands on the player, I will get like something will pull in my in my hand. And the one that taught me this was Assassin's Creed Black Flag. And that is holding down those triggers. Yeah, forever. Yeah, yeah, sucks. Yeah, it

absolutely sucks. Yes. And when I when I finished Black Flag, I had some kind of strain that went all the way up to my shoulder. And I got like miniature tiny little frozen shoulder. Yes, that I had to like fucking straight, you know, just and and combining it with with face button presses as well. Yeah. So early near when I started Automata, like that was something where I was doing hold toggle. And then I was holding down shoot button. Right. So there's a holding down lock on holding down the shoot button, occasionally tapping L one for the missiles, you know, and kind of just being like, what the fuck, right? I'm like, why am I holding three or four trigger buttons and tapping face buttons that for most of the time,

occasionally hitting dodge. Yeah. So you're literally just, you know what I mean? Like, I'm like every fight all these every fight is requiring all four. And then I was like, OK, no, no, you actually don't have to do this. Thankfully, you can toggle and you can, you know, but you're still doing a lot of like if you're having, for example, like the the sensor on there's more definitely moments where you're still required to hold at least three of them, you know, so like for me, I play FF 14 a lot, obviously. And in 14, you hold down a trigger and that activates a menu. And then you hit a face button to toggle a skill. And you do one trigger does the right side, one trigger does the left side, left trigger, then right trigger does

the second left side, right trigger, left trigger does the second right side, etc. Right. And there's also double taps and holds. I can't play that game on a fucking 360 or Xbox one pad for more than like fucking half an hour, because the triggers on those have more resistance. And that causes like my hands to get tired after like 40 minutes. Yeah. And I would on and I would honestly say that like certain, yeah, certain genres fucking dish it harder than others. Yeah. And character action is 100% one of those genres where, oh, man, like if you're you might end up beating your your fucking wrists up playing vanquish back in the day, yeah, like that game required a lot shmup God, Pat do like an s rank on some bullshit with Nero and just the trigger like clicking

noises were deafening. Yeah, because of all the Max Max acting he was doing. Yeah. Um, no, no. So the point is that like if you play like intense shit very often and practice it on the regular, uh, you like you might not like if you're playing a slower game, like we're just trudging through a world or fucking skyrimming it or something, then this doesn't make much sense to you. But like certain games that have high requirements of and high APM, I guess I would call it. Well, it's it's it can actually damage your wrist. Not even it's not even the APM. It's it's whether or not it you are required to perform the same exact movements constantly that would like that's why it's repetitive stress injury, right? And I had a I had a different

problem on my PC for the longest time, uh, before when I switched to playing PC games on the on the TV. But before I got my current couch, because I have a IKEA couch, you know, that's the big arm rest that's right there. Yeah. Where if you have your arm, like I'm doing a like a right angle, yeah, right arm, you have your arm and it's perpendicular to your body, like it's it's even like you're holding it straight out. That sucks for your arm. You actually want it like resting comfortably for your mouse, like in a normal thing. And just all sorts of fucking clicky like I had to stop playing Guild Wars two way way back in the day, because the only way to change how you move is to hold down the right mouse button. And that's that's free look. And because

you move a lot in that game, you're free looking all to basically holding down the right mouse button, fucking 99% of the time. And over time, just that that's awkward arm position combined with my middle fingers being down in this heart like fuck. Like at that point, like that there's times when you want to consider like a trackball, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like I've seen that get used like effectively. But for me, when it comes to mouse games now, like I just I'm still sitting on my couch. That problem never went away. So it's always resting on the thing next to me and occasionally on the seat, the top of the couch I use to like move the mouse around playing shit. You should look into getting a lap board. I mean, but I did actually. And I didn't enjoy it.

Like it actually was just not what I wanted. And fortunately, I don't play enough games that require fast mouse movement for that to be much of a problem. The last, you know, major issue was Overwatch, right? And like, beyond that, I'm playing turn based shit. Like, you know what I mean? Like I'm kind of not running into that problem. Like when when the next battlefield comes out, I'm very much interested in it. And I get to play the mental game of do I have more fun playing it on a controller? Or do I have more fun playing it on my completely fucking maxed out PC with everybody else that I know that's going to play it on PC? Right? And it's like, I do like that over time, more and more footage and little random videos of like,

my Overwatch config have started like spreading. And people are just sending me people freaking out at others doing half controller, half mouse, because it's actually more common than I thought. I didn't realize that was a thing, but it's mainly that like, if the games don't support it, then the HUD just freaks the fuck out on you. There are a couple games. And it's becoming more of a setting because the HUD freaking the fuck out is due to a quality of life feature in which the HUD will change to whatever it's exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And it's like, Oh, that really nice feature that's awesome, yeah, is causing this particular situation a massive problem. Yeah, but but it, you know, like, I encourage anyone who like looks at that and goes,

what the fuck is wrong with you to just try it. You want to you want to have adventures in bizarre control schemes, go fucking load up fortnight on, I believe a ps4, but don't use your account. Don't do fucking don't fucking don't make that let me download that up and then plug your mouse and keyboard in and then set it to only play with ps4 players and not crossplay with PC. Oh, God, is that a thing? Yep. Oh, no. Wait, is there an auto aim to like compensate? Yeah, well, it depends, right? Because some games go harder than others, right? Overwatch has it, Titanfall had it, like different levels of games have different aggressive amounts of auto aim to compensate for PC. It doesn't fucking matter. Okay, okay. Huh. Our controllers in general,

like there's also I saw a thread, I think was on cetera where people like I feel like a freaking god playing fortnight on the switch with the pro controller compared to other people using the other fucking thing. And it's just like, this goes all the way back to quake on the Dreamcast was the first game that I can think of that let mouse and keyboard players play against like pad players. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And no one knew at the time. And quake also had like, I think there I want to say there was like a fucking broadband modem as opposed to the 56k one. So you could get like a massive technical advantage over people and just oh man, competitive console FPS. Yo, I put all my proficiency stats into arcade sticks. So like that mouse thing is just

never going to become an important thing for me. Well, as long as like every once in a while a game will come out and I'll do what I can. But ultimately, as I got older, I started to spread my points around. And I feel like I feel like I have what there's, there's amateur experienced amateur proficiency. What's the expert and then master debonair top of the star learning theory that has the five stages. Okay, okay. And I'm aiming for proficiency. Sure. Instead of mastering any particular control scheme. Sure. Because I play a lot of PC games and there's still a lot of PC games that are just like, like pillars of eternity that does have a console port with console controls, but pillars to fucking doesn't. But that's not fast paced. You pause everything.

Yeah, I still have a pointer to a guitar hero. I still have a couple points sitting up there. Do you? I think I do. Do you? I think I do. Do you know that? No. Yeah, but I feel it. I feel. Yeah, I know. I feel bark at the moon, you know, like it's there. But and I've done the thing from time to time where you know, they go like, Hey, go to this website and like practice your keyboard skills or your rather your mouse skills. And like, all right, downloaded the thing where it's like training mouse training and whatnot. And like doing that while I was doing a competitive overwatch or competitive when I was doing comp with fucking black gift and stuff like that. When you were pro tier pro tier in it. Yeah. Oh, so good. Anyway, back when I was playing

Overwatch more frequently, I was doing that and I did notice that it's like, you do you definitely do like you can train that up if you if you put the time in it. It's really it's really frustrating to me because of all the like, I don't know how to, I don't know how to fucking say this something like a fucking bitch, but like gaming skills. The loss of my mouse accuracy bums me the fuck out. Because back when I was 13 or 14, and I was playing FPS, like all day, like that was my genre and game of choice. It wasn't fighting games. It was shooters, like fucking, like needle point accurate on a couple of those games, those rifles and just watching that year by year by year, just go the fuck away. Because I got older because I

didn't practice because you know, it's like, oh, it's it sucks. Like, there's a special kind of bad feel. And this this is a feeling that you've had, but it's for fighters, where you're about to win the match. And all you got to do is that SRK and you flubbed the input. Yeah. And for why battlefield, it's like you oh, I just I had him. I just was too slow to click the mouse button. But then you decided to do a no look 360 into a headshot and oh, terrorists one. Um, anyway, so no, I definitely say that like, um, I like I like how alternative controllers are becoming more of a regular thing. It's fascinating to me. It's really nice to see that direction where things are going. It is. Mixbox is one of those. And the, um, yeah,

like you said, the smashbox and the hitbox out there is all these different things you can consider happen when arcade sticks became more popular. I expected arcade sticks become more popular with Street Fighter, and that was cool. And then I thought it was just going to be arcade sticks. But no, it became like, well, now that we have this, this template with all this space on it, do what you want with it. Exactly. And I mean, but like, but and you know, like you're also seeing like players like Broly legs come out and like do what they do, do what he does with his controller and whatnot and like compete and just got sponsored by some some league. I talented motherfucker like absolutely great. Um, we've got a Tekken player. Um, we've got a Tekken player

here in Montreal. We've got a Tekken player here in Montreal. Like similarly, that kind of like, you know, um, is disabled, but has a controller that like he plays within whatnot and like, again, beats ass. Is it one of those things with the pedals? No, no, no, no, no. It's just that he plays with a normal controller. Um, uh, but it's just, it's becoming more of a thing. And I know that those Xbox like custom controller things where it came out as well, where it's just like pick your accessory and build the controller to be whatever you want. Cause there was a, there was another type of controller. I forget the name of it, but the elite controller emulated some of those things. It's where they put the face button. They put triggers for the

face buttons on the back and they add pedals to it. And it was initially for like pro call duty players so that you don't take your finger off the analog, but it turns out that was for a certain subset of disabled people like super useful because they could just put their hands on every single button. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Um, no, that's good. I foresee, I foresee the, the mix box you said. Yeah. I said foresee hit box, mix box, smash box, not to be like, oh, look, we did it because that is, that is emulating a very specific control scheme for a very specific type of person. Right. Yeah. Hit box is emulating a specific like desire even for like, I want to, I just want to have these inputs. I don't want to deal with that. Yeah. I foresee bizarre

per mutations of this shit coming. I, I, for that one person who got used to like trick Greg, who has the keyboard, that's a literal like piano keyboard. You want to have that on one side and then signable buttons on the other. Well, I'm seeing, well, you know what? I'm surprised. I don't see more of, I think I've seen more, um, I don't know what you would call them. Alternative stick sticks in terms of like the hit box or, uh, sure. I've seen more of those than I have seen dedicated left handed sticks. Oh yeah. Because people that are left handed just, they just learn. They just learn. Yeah. Exactly. Um, or you cross hand it if you're, you're, if you're crazy. A Satan like S kill, but, uh, people, yeah, they do just learn. Um, anyway though, what if it's a big

circle of buttons? What if there's two of them and you just, you just put both your hands on top of each other and just smash and then you'd have a steam controller. Yeah. That thing sat in the crevice of the couch and the, and the floor for a solid like month before anyone even addressed it. I'm going to point out something every now and then I go into some fucking video game topic on a forum and people go, wow, the steam controller support on this game is amazing. Yeah. What is wrong with you? It's the worst. It's the worst ever. It's so fucking bad. It's so cheap feeling. Like, I don't know where mine is and I don't give a shit. I bought two, man. It sucks cause a better executed version of that would be cool. Would be cool. There's a place

for a large controlling surface for multi-purpose, you know, uh, game use, but it's atrocious. It's worse than the fucking who you've had. One of the worst controllers ever. A controller that in its first revision, if you pressed one of the buttons too hard, it would slide underneath the plastic shell and get stuck. There's something, I don't know. Like, there's like, it's so weird cause you can have a cheap plastic feeling thing and you can have cheap plastic buttons. But if the connection between those buttons is solid, it'll feel good. Like there's like back in the day when you had all those shitty N64 controllers, there was Tycho controllers that were still better than the other knockoff garbage because

than the Madcats knockoff garbage. Yeah. And the performance in the Liang number one knockoff garbage because like they had decent switches in them, you know, but anyway, anyway, um, this episode of controller hipsterism tune back in next tune in a year from now when some new controller come out when we no longer have wrists. Well, I mean, if you could get like a mind jack put into your brain right now and you would just translate like input into input, would you do it? No. Okay. I mean, yes, I would do it, but I wouldn't play games with it because I like holding a controller still. You're going to be one of those people. I still like it. It's like, it's like the people that you think is so what if you can change what

you used to drive with some people want to hold a steering wheel and they want a stick shift. Those people are going to look like weirdo dinosaurs when the, when they sit down to control their car when the brain cars. There is no steering wheel. Yes, exactly. The car just drives you. But until we're living in the mind jack, then no, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm content to hold the controller for now. Uh, what I, what was a nice break from the, yeah. And what was a nice break was the, the, the Wiimote and Nunchuck where you could just kind of like flop your arms in whatever direction you wanted. So I, I personally very much disliked the Wiimote and Nunchuck except for that. That was huge. That was cool. It was a big deal. It was a big deal. The ability to be really

fucking lazy. So lazy. My arm, my, I'm lying sideways on the couch. Nunchuck is basically under my ass and my other arm is over the top and I'm just like playing the game with like neither of them like pointed anywhere near the fucking console and it worked. And I was like, yeah, you know, that's, that's future. I understand that. Joycon still do that. Yeah, they don't, I don't, man, they're, I don't like them. They're not as good, but they still do do that. They're, I feel like they're made for tiny hands. Well, I have tiny hands. Well, no, the issue is that they're made, uh, they're made to be slapped on the side of a, of a, of a screen as a portable. They're portable controllers and that that's what they're for. And that's why Nintendo put out the pro

controller for home use. And as handheld controllers, they're actually amazing as like, you know, buttons on a, on a fucking Game Boy or a fucking DS, they're great compared to everything that's come before. They're solid. Yes. And they solve my single biggest issue with handheld controls. They get old. What are you going to do? That button starts to go. What are you going to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. You're going to take it to a fucking guy and he's going to take it apart or like, no, just go buy a new one. Yeah, that's a solid one. Um, I had PSPs. I don't know if I was rough on them, but like my PSP buttons and triggers in particular would fucking fall apart consistently. And I'd have to, that's how I ended up with that, that weird panda PSP. Okay,

hold on though. Cause the early edition PSPs were pronounced buttons and then the revision, they're like, what is it? The S six, whatever the fucking one 1000, 2000, 2000. Okay. So the newer ones that came out towards the end with like the, the out HD with the fucking video, they had really low buttons that were flat. So those things wore the fuck out. That's the one I had because I got it because of the TV. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Yeah. They wanted, they wanted it more form fitting. So they actually slimmed it down and made the buttons protrude less, but that made them worse. Oh, that sucked. I ended up with like that PSP 2000 had, I think, every single, it became like a fucking Jason and the Argonaut ship by the end where almost every

component had been replaced with some other bullshit by the end. There was also the, there was also the, the, um, like I feel, I feel like the, the stick had similar issues to like those early sorry, not, not stick, not stick. No, no, no, no, no, I didn't even mean to say the stick, by the way. I meant the, I meant the cross, like the, the actual D pad. Um, when the indent, when the, when the, the indents, how do I put this? When you push them in and they go further than the surface so that there's a gap, that sucks. Yeah. It's not good. Don't make it. It feels really bad on the finger. You get, you get the shape of a cross indented into your fucking thumb and it's not, it doesn't feel good. Anyway, um, so all that to say though, uh, things I did for me,

uh, besides Westworld, uh, yeah. The abject misery that is Westworld. I'm getting, uh, I'm going through side quests in near, um, doing, I'm doing a bunch of those off-screen, um, and the ones that matter, that are like important and one, there, there's a real like line between ones that are like, Oh, that's a nice little detail. And like, this is a core thematic purpose. Yes. And, and so stuff that matters will be recorded, but like stuff that doesn't, I'm going to just be cleaning up on my own and, and I'm kind of doing that. And, um, I have a, I have a piece of advice for you that I'm, I'm going to assume Liam gave you, but it's something that I did that you shouldn't do. Don't get too huge. Yeah. No. Very specifically, don't. Every, so

that's the thing is there's been a recent, like because of the way things are going, I'm very ahead of where the footage is right now, but like, uh, because of the way things are going, a lot of folks are like, shit, you're mainlining it, you're missing and locking yourself out from stuff that you're not going to get until like chapter select way later or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I don't mind. I'll get that stuff during the chapter select. Um, but then there's a similar amount of feedback that is basically stating that like, if you do all your side quests, you're going to get too huge. And then the story shit's going to be like trivialized. That's not true. Just don't grind. Okay. Just don't grind. Okay. I grinded.

Well, sure. I grinded myself into oblivion. But the point is, is that you can basically ruin the, the, the story by just blasting through stuff. It's, it's, and the someone described as a point where it's a character that's supposed to talk while you fight. That doesn't even get lines out. Is that you, if you're, if you're so strong that you down this phase and 30 seconds, you miss a minute of dialogue kind of thing. Right. Yeah. So, you know, um, I'm aware of those things altogether. Right. And I'm going to just play the video game. No. No. How long have we been doing this? Yeah. You know, that's not enough. No, but there was, you know, and like, it's something too that like we discussed well in events because like, you don't want to,

like, you don't want to like, you know, fuck things up and make mistakes. There's some side quests that do add importance during the midst of the, of the progress so that getting them later in chapter select might not have as much significance. I do understand that too. So there's a delicate balance, but I don't, I'm sure you'll manage. Yeah. It's, it's being handled in a way that like we're, I'm satisfied with so far. So it's, it's, it's going all right. Um, the, uh, yeah. Also, uh, this week, um, yeah, shout outs to Jordan Welty. He came, he was in town. He's the, um, animator that did, uh, Willie versus God stuff. He's a cool guy. We hung out, um, and went to a board game bar and played some board games.

Volta was hanging out as well. And we basically, I got to try two board games that I had never heard of that were really fun. There are apparently a million fucking board games now. Well, Kickstarter brought them back on the internet and like, there was a huge resurgence of like, between that and cards against humanity pick, taking off the way it did. Like board games are like, there's a new revolution of them. It's video games for adults. Yeah. Sure. People that, you know, always loved board games as a kids that grew up and went, where the fuck did all the board games go? Just started making them. And like, again, stuff like kingdom death is clearing Kickstarter goals harder than anything else we've noticed with video games sometimes. And you just kind of go,

wait, what? I've never even heard of this. Yeah. Right. You know what's great about a board game? You don't have to worry about what platform it is for. Yeah. It's for your table. The biggest worry, the biggest worry about board games is how long does it take to set up? How complex is it? What's the likelihood that these expensive looking figures will get destroyed in shipping? I'm not that worried about that. I'm more so just like, you think about when you want to whip out a board game and you're like, Oh no, did I pull out the wrong thing at the wrong time in a like, very loose, like crowded room of people that are just kind of drinking beers and having fun? Did I pull out kingdom death? That's a bad idea. Don't do that. That's like pulling out risk legacy.

Yo, dude, you know, risk is the shit. Yeah, don't don't but don't pull risk out. Risk is in the middle. You know what I mean? Like your mom and dad are over and you have a day to ruin. It's time to play risk. So that's the thing is you kind of need there needs to be like an ESRB but not ESRB just for complexity just for complexity and also like, um, look what like for like, how much social ostracization does this game cause? How much animosity will it cause? And how much like, do you have to ignore the world to play this game? I remember, I remember my family, mom and dad, my brother and sister, right and me, we'd all play board games and it's like every now and then there'd be that that type of monopoly causes bitterness.

Yep. It causes long term multiple day bitterness. Fuck you, grandma, each shit because of the bull's shit. Yep. You have to pull on people to get a win in monopoly. Yep. Yep. It's cruel. Um, you you need to know before you sit down and go into something, how bad it's going to get. And what I noticed in particular too is that like, so games that involve there's aspects of it like games that involve bluffing are always fast and fun, right? Where you just lie and do the thing, right? But games that involve lawyering, you're bullshit. Get ugly because I love those. I love the ones where I'm like, I can't believe you did that. We were, oh my God. I get the ones where I get to defend and or explain my position

and whatnot. I have so much fun with those, but there's certain people don't. Yeah. Some people are just like, I fucking hate this. I don't want to talk. I can't. I'm bad at this, right? Um, you know what doesn't create like misery is, is a cooperative board game where you're fighting the game. Sure. So, so secret Hitler being a prime example where like people just fucking usually, I end up getting ganged up on because I'm doing so much talking and jabbering and lawyering and playing this and that and whatever. And I'm having a fun time with it, but it's like, oh, fuck this guy, enough of him. You know, that was always the case with me and risk and like, Hey, man, I'll leave it. I'll let you have Australia. All I need you to do is not

attack my East flank. I'm going to go over to Europe. Okay. And then like halfway through the game, every member of the family gets tired of that and just go fuck this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just you're playing on everyone's patience levels. Absolutely. Same thing for okay. So cards against humanity and apples to apples, like the game that was even before it, there is the version of that game. There's two in my head because there's the one I learned and then there's the official rules that I found out later, which is way worse. Yeah. It's very interesting to see how the assumed rules became preferred by huge groups of people. I thought and the way I was taught to play cards against humanity was you all pick your,

you pick, you have your thing, you match the two, right? You put down the black card, you match your your white ones to it, and then you put down your choices and then whoever was the judge that round, basically you go around the table and everyone presents their thing, their argument for why their choice is the best choice. Slash. They just let you laugh at it. You have and you all, you take a moment to like go over each one and like have to give it. What does this really mean? Give it, give it its time in the spotlight and you can even sell it a little bit or not or whatever. Turns out that there's the rule set that says you take them all, you match them and you put them in a mixed order anonymously in a pile, then you flip them over one by one and you wait for

an audience pop and then the judge picks one without we knowing who it is. We all chuckle and then someone goes, that was mine and they get the point and then we move on and that's so much more boring and less fun because you all just anonymously laugh at the joke, the punch line and then that's it. You know my favorite. Every time I had a blast with that game it was from the one-on-one moment of going around the table with each person. You know what, you know my favorite example of this is, is the opposite, is there games in which fuck the rules, like cards against humanity, fuck them. Yeah. The other one is Monopoly. I don't think anyone's ever read the actual rule set to Monopoly ever because there is a stipulation in there that after, I think it's

two full circuits around the board by all players, you're supposed to auction off every remaining fucking property on the board. Oh. So that the board is now filled with spaces and that speeds the game the fuck up. Oh wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, no one does. That's crazy. No one does that. Everyone just keeps holding the house forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're supposed to auction all the remaining pieces off so that everyone has their thing, everyone can get their money and people can start building houses and shit right away. Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, that would speed things up a lot. Yeah, it sure would, wouldn't it? But yeah, no, like when you go around the table and do the house rules, cards against humanity, like everyone, you own the offensive choice that

you make and you have moments where you're like, I didn't think you would do that because you know the person and it's just so much more fun. And like, yeah, I sort of like, I feel like that always, that happens to me a couple of times where like you just go like, man, fuck the official rule set on this, we're going to do the actual fun way. Anyway, so the two board games we played, one was called Splendor and Splendor is pretty dope. It's very simple, right? And it's like, again, we were going for games that are like, you know, that work for like a small table of three. And all it is is imagine you're basically looking at three decks of cards on the table that produce like a shop, each one produces like like a shop, if you would. So you have like four cards or five

cards face up, I forget which, and then they all have like a value. Okay. And the value is Splendor with an O. Yeah. Okay. And the value is in a certain color gem. And then basically, all you do is on your turn, you can either retrieve gems from the communal pile. Yeah. Or spend your gems to buy a thing. And that's, and it's pretty much just like a race to 15 points. Okay. You know, it's very simple. But there's a fun strategy that comes in like choosing what you're going to pick up and looking at what other people have. It's like the most basic item shop game there is ever. But like it got really interesting and strategic in terms of thinking of like, I see what he's holding, everyone's currency is public, everyone's cards and points are public. So everything about

your moves are very, very. No hidden shenanigans. No hidden shenanigans and like lots of ability to do things like I see what you're about to buy. I can do something called a reserve and take that card and hold it for me and take that off the table. And then we just replace it with another card that might be better or worse for you and stuff. So yeah, simple but fun. And like surprisingly complex, despite like a rule set that takes like five like minutes to explain. Oh, well, that's like if you make a really great idea complexity can arise out of simple rules. Yes, exactly. I'd say the I'd say the best board games in fact have a simple premise. Yeah, that you can then like find complexity deep within because like you can make

all it's like there's a there's a fucking fighting game tool exercise that Gerald over Coray invented called throws and sweeps. Yeah, exactly. And it's like that's what you can actually get all sorts of goofy mind games going when you're just playing throws and sweeps. That's what that's what I mean like shit like dive kick and senior footsies. Absolutely dive kick has some of the simplest shit ever. You can get all crazy dive kick just making those reads 100%. And yeah, and like there's some games where like people want immediate complexity step one right away. Excuse me, we're playing car casserole here. Or whatever it's called casserole, Ron. The fucking strategy game about trading wagons, I think. Oh, um, um, um, uh, settlers of Katana.

No, there's a different one. Oh, wow. That sounds like something like the word I said. Okay. Yeah, no, no, not at all. But anyway, so that was that was a solid one. And the other game we played was a emo tap and emo tap is is that that was a fun new one as well. Not hotep for for those that are wondering that's a different game that we play with different people. It's a slang term. Don't worry about it. Yeah, I'm not worried about it. Okay. Okay. Emo tap is you did it. Yeah, you got it out there. I'm ruining words for people. That's my new goal. Are you a hotep pat? I don't know. I'm not answering that question. Are you pro or anti hotep?

Thoughts, comments. Um, the, uh, what should we call it? The the game is basically one where you have a quarry of little stones. And this is always fun when you get little things to play with while you're waiting for your turn. So you get a little you have a little quarry of stones that are basically like what you'd used to make up. Thanks for nothing, Urban Dictionary. Oh, did you could did you do do a quick? Yeah, good luck. It's a little bit more complex than that. You have a little a little quarry of stones and then every turn you can basically choose to put your stones on a boat of a fixed size or ship a boat out and the boats are communal and

shared. So basically we go around the table putting our stones onto boats and like the boats will have like some of mine, some of yours until it eventually fills up and you ship them out and then they land on these different islands that effectively have different mini games you play with your stones and like some some islands give you points right away. Some give you points at the end of the round. Some kind of fucked up boat version of Mario Party. It's okay, but not, but like simpler and like this sounds way more complex. It's actually not. It's like it's it sounds like it but it's actually not like you basically are like getting your colored pyramid blocks to different mini games and you're playing those mini games and like some mini games are

worth more than others. So like you can see someone filling up a boat with a bunch of things they want to send to a good place and you can be like not I'm sending your boat to a shitty island. Oh no. Yeah and then and then they kind of are like have to make do with what you did. Why'd you do that? And so you just kind of you go around and you strategize and you try to you try to make the best of it and it's a fun thing too because there's like a physical stacking game. There's a physical like Tetris kind of placement thing and then there's like a card aspect to it. It's like so some really fun stuff and it was surprisingly like again starts off sounding complex and then you play a round of it and you go oh that's actually pretty simple. So yeah EmoTep and Splendor two

new board games that fucking were a great time. Somebody messaged me on Twitter what that word Wally said was a hotel. What is that? I don't know what it means and I feel stupid. Oh okay. Did you get an answer? No I asked on Twitter. Oh okay well because Twitter answers are reliable. Well because we need to know your stance on the issue. You want to hear like a fucking like mental breakdown that I'm having right now? Yeah. Because Matt's not here we move the cameras to get a wide shot. Sure thing. I'm getting awkward and looking to the camera that isn't there anymore because we moved it. Why are you so weird? Why are you so weird? I have I could write you a book man. There's a lot of reasons. That was a rhetorical question Pat. I know them.

No you don't know nothing man there's infinite more. I know quite a few. You know a few. You know a couple. You can reveal something by telling us about your week. Hey so when I was a kid and I got separated from my parents at soccer practice when I was four I cried and cried because I didn't like to be alone because I was sheltered. No okay so. Did you kick the ball? I kicked the ball. I was the goalie. I was good at getting hit in the face with the ball. I was gonna say did you get hit in the face with the ball? Hell yeah. Whole bunch. More than probable for a child of my size. Was it because you were a good goalie or was it because they were aiming for your face? You know what they're a four year old so I'm gonna I'm gonna say it was good goaliness. Uh-huh.

Yeah soccer was fun we won the thing back in the we won the little child tournament at the time. Damn. And then I ran into my fucking coached many years later and he looked exactly the same and I'm like what fucking bullshit soccer sorcery is this you fucking motherfucker. I'm like old now and you're younger than when I saw you when I was a child. It's bullshit. Anyway. Well being a coach he sucks the life force out of it. It's queen barrel. Okay queen barrel. You gotta get uh what the fuck was the thing? God you gotta get the the the the girls over to the ice cream beauty parlor. Yeah that's the one. Youth juice. Every happy time you score a goal the the coaches goes Damn it. Okay what I do with my week the usual so I'm not even gonna bother going into it.

I bought a bunch of games on steam. Didn't play any of them yet. I just instead I saw that list. Yeah it's a decent one. Some interesting things on that list. It's a bunch of stuff that I had missed or was on a wish list. I saw Lisa on that list. Uh what I ended up doing instead of playing those games is something that I'm going to admit I probably have more fun with which is going in all of them and setting up their graphics settings running them for five seconds and going yeah that looks good and then quitting out and then moving on to the next one. Um yeah you would. I just want uh I want to say I saw you picked up Lisa the joyful. Yeah I already had Lisa. Okay you know that that's part three right. Yeah what's the first one. Lisa it's very

skippable. Okay I have Lisa. Very skippable. And Lisa the painful is the second. Yes but that's the good separate place to start. It's good. Okay because I have Lisa and the joyful now. Lisa Lisa Lisa Lisa the painful makes reference to Lisa um it's Lisa's really weird and you're probably gonna I know you you'll play it for 10 minutes and just go okay yeah and turn it off. Lisa the painful is the word. Don't worry about it just start playing Lisa the painful and then get to the joyful afterwards. Got it but what other thing that I did do that was very interesting and very big thanks to Maximilian Dude who helped me out with this is that I discovered the joys of the weird bullshit you can do to a game in Dolphin. Uh Dolphin.

What are the odds of that? That's interesting because I was fucking around with Dolphin heavy this weekend. Are you serious? Heavy. What are you doing with it? Um I'm working it. Yeah no what are the odds of that? That's super weird. Okay well I want to hear your stuff because basically I wanted to stream RE2. Yeah because I love RE2 and now's a good time people are excited you know it's okay uh and I was like I was running it was gonna run it through retro arch on the Rearmed PS1 emulator and then I realized oh shit that thing saves oh god it's so fucking dumb that game takes every disc or ISO that you insert into it and saves it as its own game so any game that has multiple discs or discs that you switch between guess what they're counted as different games

so it doesn't work so with RE2 that has the scenarios because of the zapping system yes it wouldn't work zap zap no zap no zap so I'm like okay fine I'll try EPSXC guess what EPSXC is a piece of shit it's not but it doesn't have what you need it doesn't it doesn't run on my PC it crashes a hundred percent that's unfortunate yeah and did you have the patience to sit and toggle sit and toggle with settings yeah I did nothing nothing okay fair enough it doesn't want whatever I've got okay uh I asked Max and I'm like Max help and he is playing the game on Dolphin via the Gamecube version which apparently runs the best I didn't know about this that dude knows more about RE2 than I would have expected he knows more than me in some cases um and he was like okay so the

he's explaining PS1 version runs at 240 and that's why it looks like such dog shit the three the the Gamecube version runs at 360 and the uh fucking Dreamcast version actually runs at 480p which is why the models look so good but crazy people who are aware of Dolphin went and re-textured everything in the entire fucking game and then found the source images for all the pre-rendered backgrounds and upscaled them themselves and put that into this nice little pack that you can download you download that pack you throw it in Dolphin's uh load folder yep you put then you put the id in and then you load custom sensors and the game looks fucking crisp as fuck well it looks like aside from some small glitches around the pre-rendered textures where it's

like squares and you can see the blocks yeah yeah yeah it looks like a goddamn remaster that's where so that's where I was that shit is beyond belief yes and not just that Dolphin which I have never used prior to this I just never personally had used fucking good job everybody who works on Dolphin that is an easy clean emulator that works yeah like everything that I would want um and I mean I have a couple of different permutations that I have different configs for certain games that work better than others but yes so I found myself actually like I don't I like I mean I mean just to keep it brief like I was in that same place I found myself digging into the custom textures uh texture dumping you got to put Miku into

the wild dude yeah uh uh that was so that was the thing that uh was going on because I'm basically like um there's some there's some games where I'm trying to capture uh footage clips areas etc like models and stuff that are otherwise obscured by details so I want to get some I want if I like some for one example over is I'm trying to capture some footage of a background yeah and there's some video game in front of there that I have to deal with but I just want the background so uh I found myself doing things such as dumping the textures making certain ones transparent and loading them back in and then now that's considerably way beyond what I was messing with and then uh there's a really cool feature called FIFO player which is fucking godlike

what's the FIFO I saw people saying FIFO FIFO player is it captures the actual uh GPU data that's being load rent like output by like in the what it captures like the render buffer it captures literally like everything like everything that is being called as a 3d object or as just as a visual and encodes it into a FIFO file or like I think it's a ppf or something like that into a format that's huge but you basically can it's a video recording that has all the 3d data in it okay so what is that so then you play that recording back and then you pause it and analyze it and and and it gives you the frame breakdown of the full recording uh and in each frame it tells you exactly how many objects are loaded

into the world and it shows you the uh code for them for how they're displayed where they're displayed what their triggers are and everything about that object coming in and spawning and then despawning now I personally have no use for that data okay but I fully appreciate that there are those out there that look at that orgy of data and go oh my god so I'm looking at that going I see then I go through the object list right and then I basically start isolating things that I realize okay after this number these objects from the foreground are in this range make those go away all right got it then you're basically less so you have your transparent textures gone you got these 3d objects gone and occasionally there's little messy things that are

still there and then after you finally you've the hidden objects and the transparent textures you go in with the free look camera and the free look camera in dolphin is the fucking look and it's just straight up what it sounds like it's your move it where you want it that's crazy you want to examine that thing that there was a free look you want to go look at that go look at that what the hell does re2 look like you know what re2 probably looks like it looks like fucking models in front of a sheet bring it so here's what you can do is bring the fucking camera down to where the new games thing is and see what that looks like well in re2 it's gonna look like a sheet dude it's just a picture it's just a photo in the background but I did that

and I was able to isolate and move like the undesired elements out of the frame and just capture the clean image I was so proud of myself like this sounds complex I was the fact that I figured that shit out just on my own digging I was so proud of myself and I was like oh my god I did it and I'm fucking looking at it like it was cool um I'm looking at stuff that was never meant to be seen and I got some really good shit out of it so that was fun and uh yeah that's that's based on like you know projects I'm working on and secrets and shit so that'll have a big secret so you're making a brand new Gamecube game that's essentially I'm making my own project M oh um no but yes you streamed the fuck out of re2 yeah I'm I so I have not touched that game since we did Matt and I did

the LP of it well I mean I I tested to make sure it would turn on prior to the stream right like do the first two minutes or something and I hadn't touched it in six and a half seven years and I'm very happy with myself that I can still clear like two hours and 15 minutes on like the first playthrough which gets you your a-ranking um I'm never like one I'm too old to learn now but like the the world record is like 48 minutes which is I don't you know what that includes that includes skipping enemies and not picking up items which is no that's not gonna happen I'm gonna pick up all those items they need to be picked up because you want to finish the game with a disgusting amount of magnum ammo in your fucking inventory but hey guess what what's up

what'd you learn I learned I learned that I can understand why people coming to those games now would absolutely hate the controls like I personally love those controls the tank controls and the pre-rendered cameras but that is based off of a lot of practice are you renouncing your religion no no no because it sounds like you're renouncing your religion no you listen listen carefully you need to speak carefully yeah no it's based off a lot of practice with re1 and re2 more practice than the average person would you ever put into that type of game there is more to learn in that control scheme than a normal one so I really do not blame the developers of the remake for going

for a behind the back camera as making a new big budget game would have like kind of hit a wall with a generalized audience okay I'm gonna try and figure out a timeline here but I'm like if you learned and spent all your time getting good at that type of control yeah then I'm trying to think the other places where that would come in handy would be dino crisis onimusha fear effect alone in the dark maybe yes it did yeah but it had a weird it also had a 2d scheme which was terrible um and that's about all I got yeah that's about all I got I fully look back and realize that that era of pre-rendered backgrounds and tank controls was a relic of its time that I adore but that maybe a lot of that comes like from a nostalgic place and in particular that realization

hit me when I was streaming and Paige asked me like oh you're putting auto-aim on like alright is everybody gonna call you a bitch because oh you got auto-aim on like no auto-aim is vital because most of the time you're firing at enemies that you can't see that are off screen and I went think about that yeah yeah yeah and I'm like okay yeah you know what yeah yeah that's a massive problem that's stupid when you say it that way certainly but I remember you know what else sounded stupid until it was well not even until it was explained but I just kind of went okay was hearing about the the controls being unwieldy as a means to make the game more difficult for you

and me going I guess if that's what we want to do so uh basically what that is is that they would put enemies in blind angles so that on your first attempt through you would run into a hallway and there would be an enemy hiding behind the corner you wouldn't be able to see yeah so it would grab you right and part of the reason why I love tank control so much is that if you're playing through these five to ten games that have them right you forget that that ever happened because it hasn't happened to you in like 15 fucking years right because you know where all the enemies are yes you know where they are off screen you don't it doesn't matter um and watching them with I watched a lot of the remake two footage

watching them emulate that with the way the zombies move is fascinating because you can't have line angles anymore right because it's behind the back so what they do is that when you aim boy that camera gets real close and Leon's body covers a shit ton of the screen covers the entire left portion and bottom of the screen and your aim is accurate and there's a clip that got put up where a guy's aiming at a zombie and a zombie comes I swear to god from directly in front of him but you don't see it until it bites him because he was aiming at the other one so you can have your blind side is essentially everything that's not immediately over your right shoulder yes when you're aiming so something can be anywhere surrounding you like from from 12 o'clock 300

degree from 12 o'clock to 3 o'clock yeah there's the danger zone when you're aiming yeah yeah okay that compensates and just like there are a bunch of footage like Max when he played Max and Max's footage where he puts it up against the library he gets 100% blindsided by one directly behind him because you come down a ladder and you turn around and it just happens to be like to the left of a ladder just outside of shot and them trying to just emulate that feeling of well I couldn't see it which is a horror movie thing yes yes yes um I will say that the one thing and uh the one thing about tank controls that I uh I say fixes a problem that existed when we were moving away from them yeah is so what with fixed and specifically fixed camera angle games dmc one

has some of the worst problems with what you're about to that's exactly right because uh god hand is technically a tank control game right but the camera is not tank controls are very specifically uh you control like a tank but also the cameras are fixed so like re4 uses the same exact control scheme so when you're playing dmc one and you're trying to just run down this hallway and then the camera is fucking switches so that you're running towards the camera when you're holding up but you're moving down you suddenly just turn around and run the other way what's even weirder is that in some cases and in dmc four this happens a lot dmc I was literally about to jump to dmc four where you're holding down and you're still going to keep running up or the opposite of whatever

was the direction you were running before until you move in any direction and then it's going to reset your orientation so so dmc four switches away from it but it where it lets you move in full 3d but it wants you to recognize the camera cut and it gives you a small buffer zone to readjust the stick right yeah so running as nero through like a long area and then having a switch and then another switch you're supposed to when the camera cuts reorient the direction but if you don't do that and you just keep holding the direction you're running in a straight line and the camera cuts nero turns around runs back into the other screen and then turns around again and then it re-corrects itself it's crazy so you just get this weird moment of like I mean thankfully it's not

like a game where zombies are going to grab you and fucking end you no because you're the zombie you're right but but you have these moments of like you're just trying to break away from an area and you get turned around by holding the right the same correct direction twice doing occasional loops before going continuing you down your path and it's a really bad hold over tank controls work great with fixed camera only pretty much and that camera can be fixed in one of two locations it can be fixed in the environment above you or can be fixed behind the character right so re4 like and I remember like this was a great realization to me re4 has the exact same control scheme as older re's plus a knife button right the only difference is the camera placement

and the full 3d environment those all work great same thing re5 the dmc stuff which tries a what they called it in the old days a 2d uh camera movement system where you just move your character as if the the game is a 2d plane instead of a 3d space breaks like fucking crazy with fixed cameras and like I remember god of war one having weird issues with this but it wasn't as prevalent because the areas weren't as long it's it happens a lot worse with long areas particularly with four because you get that sprint now here twice as fast okay but here's the thing though there's a like the first thing my brain does that goes like you know what makes this not be a problem a lot of things but a really good one is not having the camera jump to a second cut right and I know that creates a

cinematic mood based that back in the day that is what re2 was about um but if I think about the way near has moments where the camera just slides where it wants to be and your perspective suddenly becomes top down side view around the corner whatever the fuck it needs to be um in some cases it's actually still 3d but just zoomed out far enough that it feels like you're playing almost like a point and click that shit's fucking great and you never really lose it hard you never lose where you are or what's going on but like you just have that moment of like okay I'm going from one camera angle to another organically because the camera itself positions itself where it needs to be it's not a hard cut where I walk into the corner of the screen disappear and reappear somewhere

else I think the first game that I can think of that attempts a smart solution to this problem is actually sinahill one and sinahill one it didn't have pre-rendered shit so that was crazy in comparison to all of its contemporaries like even the knockoffs all use pre-rendered backgrounds right it was full 3d and it used that full 3d to make these really crazy dolly camera angles in which the the really the the the first one it's it's like five minutes into the game in which you go down a hallway and all of a sudden the camera cuts to facing your character directly and it's an L hallway and as your character reaches the the corner of the L the camera swoops around to behind your character and then goes down close to the floor and looks

up and it's it's nuts oh now that only works with tank controls because that amount of like camera craziness would go nuts if you were moving left and right and up and down also you can't have pre-rendered backgrounds no obviously right um and then in larger areas or you know regular explorable areas sinahill would just go to a regular like detached camera which like you know the third person but it's like farther back and it's like often at a tangent from the character um games like ff7 it doesn't matter because who gives a fuck it's an rpg right like you're not although there's moments i guess where there's some things happening is a 2d game yeah but there's like there's occasional moments where overworld control is at this timed you know but it's very

far and few in between um but yeah like i just feel like swinging the camera around if you could if your game can afford to do that solves a bit of that problem and still lets you be cinematic yeah you know and it's it's this weird thing where it's like the older survival horror games that use that technique of the rapidly there are angles in that game where you walk forward and your orientation completely inverts and like they'll do everything say for turning the camera upside down right right right and that is supposed to make you feel unhinged and disoriented and that's very intentional and i like that but there are ways to make you feel disoriented without necessarily fucking with your actual control and if you're running from the monster and then you

actually turn around and run back into the monster that sucks and that's why i'm so impressed at the remake 2 footage because i see all these little elements that they're doing to emulate these tricks that are no longer available because of the change of perspective and i mentioned it i think last week but the number one is when you get bitten by a zombie the zombie and the bite animation covers the entire fucking screen that fills the screen and you get jostled what appears to be into a random direction and you come out of it and you just uh where uh and sometimes you're turned around sometimes you're not so you have to have that second or two of just okay no wait where am i and in some cases there's a lot of enemies that's a second or two too long and it works it's creating

like the same feeling i i have a i have a kind of similar i feel nostalgia for um prince of persia style three level or four level games where you slowly walk and climb and like yeah the scope kind of feel yeah the um uh flashback and uh flashback in prince of persia you know being being the prime examples where like those games like happen to just be like a couple of levels that you kind of climb up and down on and whatnot but i kind of feel like any game that allows that sufficient level of control it would would satisfy the need and the urge and so i kind of like how like climbing and and having different levels of walk speed and the such are now because they're becoming things that you can do in in uh certain games but back then it was like you had to be

locked to that genre to offer that level of control you know and i feel like uh that's something that could have been extracted from that genre and put into not like two or three tier games and still be fun but i don't i can't think of any games that did that back then um aside from the two that you mentioned you know now it's pretty rare now samus grabs ledges you know and and indivisible ajna is climbing the walls and doing you know but i mean but it's like but like more than just ledge climbing like specifically hanging off the ledge and then looking backwards and then having a thing you know like that level of mobility like if the game calls for it at the very least but that was something i always really liked because you just you're used to a platformer being

load up unity 2d you know sliding sprite burnt mario and then that's the end of that you know anytime i see a character grab the ledge of something and pull themselves up i'm like yes there's you it's not just thank you yeah it's not you didn't have to do that but it's there and it's a detail that makes it feel good um anyway that's that the ledge grab is fascinating to me because if you've decided that there's a ledge grab in your game you just nudge all the jump distances over like a half inch and you know whatever i all the really really hard jumps you just move them over a little bit but the feel to the player of just like oh i kind of missed it oh i grabbed it is immeasurable it's so it feels so nice and i feel like that entire thing that

that you just described is what makes iconoclasts feel so good because it's like you're used because you're not flying like you could in noi to love to or you know what i mean like you're not like boost jumping like you just have a very simple short jump but you've got your wrench ability and you got your shot that gets you a little bit higher and you grab a ledge that you just couldn't buy pixels and it feels fucking great yeah there's something to be said about that feeling you know um anyway besides re2 uh nothing new i mean i played 14 i played a lot played a lot more for honor and god there's some killers i also found out that uh remember when i said hey woolly you pick vikings right yeah you're gonna log into a bunch of bonuses guess what that only

applies to vikings oh because they won a bunch of shit i think they somebody told me they won either four or five of the six oh wow okay and that's something that i i want to take a second to talk about because it's fascinating to me and it is the problem of every single god damn player oriented three faction system and the the problem is is who's on the box because who's on the box is gonna be the popular one all three in for honor who's bigger on the box a really yes come on yeah don't people kind of just know what their preference is no that's not real woolly back in dark age of camelot the uh what was it was it the knights faction there were three factions that were the same as for honor there were an agent faction there were a knights faction there were

viking faction and dark age of camelot tried for years and years and years to every form of player incentive possible and it was a pvp mmo guess what it was always one-sided towards one of those factions okay what about starcraft what about starcraft that's that there's no there's no persistence in starcraft you're not fighting for the swarm and then you can pick every possible race but i mean in terms of multiplayer people had the races they'd pick but there was no but yeah there was no there's no there's no there's no that's my guys um really look at okay you want you want the ultimate in heart crusher and let's take world of warcraft right huh you know who's the most popular race in world of warcraft just throw wild guess humans that's right yeah

why because people suck ass and they pick the boring one that they're familiar with yeah that's you know who the second and third most popular ones are the pretty elves because they look like pretty humans i i remember that um my my friend who was a tauren was always like no one plays them so i want to be one yeah and that was that but like what about um because i'm trying i know like in mortal combat it was just yo what is mortal combat about ninjas k that's correct lin kway done yeah right it was just that simple so uh i guess i never like i've never heard of i didn't think that'd be a thing was like oh i bought the box and this group is like the bigger on the box and that'll make me make up my mind i kind of feel like someone's gonna go no i want to be a knight or

a cool i like samurai's and that'd be the end of their decision for honors weird and that the viking one is actually the most popular one usually that's not the case usually it's the boring knights but not when i was playing when i was playing when we first when it first came out they were vikings were the least popular no they were the least picked as classes but they were the most picked as a faction is that what it was yes that's what i'm talking about i'm talking about the team that you pick not yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay i like alliance and wow had all the pretty races and the horde and wow had all the monster races and do you know what actually even those numbers up when horde got the blood elves which is the pretty blonde elves with the green eyes

wow population just evens right out i i was not a boring and shitty and they you know what the like for example cat girls make up like 15 percent of total ff 14 population yes yes it's fucking nuts i in in ferrata i was i was uh interested in the vikings because you never get to really do vikings in this shit so like between like yeah cool sword knight guy yeah okay and samurai is cool like very cool but vikings oh yeah that's rare yeah so that's why i wanted to go that way and enjoy it's not yeah well but the point remains is that it's way less uh it gets way less play than um knights and samurai do so i didn't i didn't know that was the case yeah now the important thing to note here is that the long story of this is that alliance

players you trash and you all pick baby races what of the new classes um they're fucking so weird dude they're like so i know you got a little taste of the last time but is there any that you've you've actually like i have i've sunk time and two uh four of them instead of all of them shaman and uh arab the last one the one the dual katana guy i gotta i gotta oh no this is gonna be i'll hear you though oh oh really i'll listen oh yeah oh yeah go for it that's how it's gonna go okay shaman shaman shaman and i forget the the last guy it's the dual katana guy they're too weird for me currently and i have not played them however i did play a centurion i played a gladiator and ninja and hylinder are you actually are you actually asking me questions with your

deck in your hand because i'm not cool with that all right what weapons does centurion have will he ask from the from the bathroom uh will he might actually like this class centurion has a one-handed gladius and their left fist as their weapons uh they're heavily plated they have decent stamina but their main thing is that they get a charge attack which upon hit guarantees a jab to the face which causes the stun status which then also guarantees a light attack and they also have a special super jump move that they can do on characters that have been grounded and basically their whole game plan is that uh do all their bullshit and just constantly throw out jabs to sap sap uh stamina and sap energy our jabs uh blockable parryable they are unblockable

melee punches do they do the damage they do a little bit of damage small damage big stun mainly do stun fuck they remove the blocking indicator and they do stun that's right so when you're playing against a centurion they're basically just stab stab stab punch punch and their goal is to knock you down because if they knock you down they can do a huge jumping attack on you when you're on the floor and get huge damage they're infuriating to fight because hands are super washed assholes fucking because if they get if they get their rhythm going you might as well be fresh go kiss your fucking block indicator goodbye like just constant blocks done uh how are they in terms of like uh defense and and like like taking hits and oh they're they're a normal character they

they sustain their block they're balanced okay um aside from that like yeah they're they're the jab game uh the highlander is the weirdest one of all the characters i've played so far by far um it's like you know the warlord's like heavy kind of stuff imagine that but with no shield and if you what are you laughing at what you what you you got to go again no i'm good i'm good okay um if you hold down heavy attack they enter into a completely different stance stance characters and all their movesets change there's something there's something about stance characters in things where i'm like i will never go down this road but i fucking appreciate it i really respect it it's just too much for me that's not true steve flocks is a stance character

yeah never mind most of the time most yeah yeah well most of the time with like gen style you like are just really or like leh wu long yeah oh exactly my brain goes i have so much respect for you but not for me get the fuck away from me so highlander uh his r2 if you hold it becomes an unblockable heavy when you let go of it okay but while you're holding r2 he gets different r1s which are a little faster he can't block at all he's dodge only he is offense no he's in offensive stance oh okay that's the that's the trade-off for the unblockable r2 that you can let loose at any point in addition guard break becomes a massive fucking kick and he he gets a back and square move which is a huge ass throw that causes knockdown every time and you can cancel the

r2 into a kick and you can cancel the throw from a kick very important question here stance switching yeah is there any delay whatsoever a little bit just a little bit so if i wind up a heavy yeah can you react to it yeah totally you have tons of time to sleeve the stance and block oh yeah okay all right uh oh wait if you wind up a heavy and i can leave out of the come out you see me like i leer back to do my heavy and you're in your offensive stance are you eating that i believe you are unless you kick them because letting go of r2 to come out of the stance causes you to swing okay so the idea is that you want to you want to trade because your move is always going to be stronger than whatever they have okay but it's not like your stance

canceling no okay what you do have is the ability to do like light light heavy as as the highlander and just hold the heavy down and now you're in the now you're there yeah this is a weird character to play it's very very weird uh and they have super super long range and but i have not gotten the hang of them at all at all at all at all okay um ninja is the next one i can faint to leave the stance okay okay you can faint to oh that's oh you let it go and then faint and then you're that's i respect it so much so so ninjas are weird they're super weird because they are a ranged class they use kasuri gamas these the sides and their main thing is that they hold down our two they spin the kasuri gamma yeah and then they will throw it and they will throw it like

10 fucking feet yeah and it will be according to the direction that you were aiming um in order to balance that if you parry that they fall on their fucking ass oh if you parry that not only they fall on their ass but you're the character parries it and like it wraps around their sword and they yank them towards them oh so that you get the hit is it is it like a unique stumble yeah it's super cool if you run over to them is that like a like you get a guaranteed heavy out of guaranteed heavy okay okay um unless you're like a really big guy and your heavies are slower than you get a guaranteed and what about like oh what about if you whiff uh and then you pull back if you whiff you're fine it's fast it comes back yeah it'll come back quite fast okay the other thing

is that instead of throwing it as an attack you can throw it as a guard break and that will stumble the opponent towards you and then you get a guaranteed heavy out of it uh ninja's super nuts it has the the arochi property of uh it's light attack if you hit the first light attack the second will guarantee from every direction from every direction okay yeah yeah uh if you do two heavies the double tap if you do two heavies that hit you put them into a stun state where you uh like the peacekeeper bleed where you hit r1 r1 r1 and you just they're you're just flashing their face and there's a shit ton of damage and on top of that they get a bunch of movement abilities that nobody else in the game has so they have a Naruto run which is the double sprint it takes

stamina but you move like 50 faster than everybody else's sprint okay but then you but for for half as long yeah and then you also have um they can dodge twice in any direction and the second dodge will be a puff of smoke yeah and then if you attack out of that they do a spin kick so like that uh does a stun and you guarantee normal so i go left and then i can puff back to the right where i was and oh man or you can do left twice to get around an attack and then just kick them uh there are a ton of fun to use is it one attack out of the out of the puff or is it it's always the same one it's an unblockable kick like the like the uh but there's no variety to what's going to come out okay uh you can also they are also an assassin class and their deflect move can

is a dash through with a light or a heavy that you dash through them and cause damage and it's a fucking anime like slash attack and the other one was gladiator which i'm not sure if they're good or not or if i'm bad with them or not but can you grab while they're puffing oh yeah so the biggest system change i think i explained to you is that they removed a lot of the un-techable grabs yes except when you're dodging okay dodge like but yeah i'm and that's why i'm asking does the second absolutely okay they see them trying to move around anybody trying to move around you just hit square and they're yours um and the gladiator is the uh like old roman gladiator he's got the tiny little shield on his left hand yeah and he's got the trident what do they call the

then uh buggler bugglers yeah buggler uh he has crazy long strings like five hit long strings in every direction uh but more than that and this is the weirdest one is that he has a command grab which is him just stabbing your foot with the trident and he has a command grab which is put into any string at all so strings attack attack like like row yeah like you're stuck in you're stuck yeah okay okay so you do light light light or whatever then you hit back in our two and it does skewer and skewer is just stabbing the opponent in the stomach and it's one of the uninterruptible like heavies okay it does so much fucking bleed it does tons and that's your core mix-up game is bubba bubba skewer bubba bubba skewer a skewer also gives you the chance to move them

around without having to worry about a throw break and if your opponent runs out of stamina but you know you're still doing the block game the backwards and square which is the foot stab which is unblockable because it's a grab and we'll go through everything it can't be teched if you hit them in the foot they will fall over so is it is the skewer like the running tackle that um the the fucking heavy viking does no it is just from standing hit back and and square and you'll they'll look like they're gearing up for an unblockable overhead and then they'll just aim low and hit your foot instead okay and it's unblockable un-techable and if they're out of stamina they will just fall over so they can beat on them it means that if you out stamina a guy

he is the only character that just gets to fuck with you infinite guaranteed yeah on top of that they regenerate stamina like twice as fast as everybody else in the game so they're wearing almost no arm so that's the thing is like stamina regen time is dependent then entirely on class class and and like how heavy you are is how slow you get it back i believe so the only one i've noticed the difference with is gladiator where he gets so he is never winded he has a back like that super fast and then shaman i barely played but shaman is like they use a fucking bloodlust mechanic in which she procs a really long bleed on you and if and if you have a bleed on yourself her moveset changes into a more vicious faster one i was about to say that it sounds like all

these classes you're describing are basically centered around the bleed mechanic yeah and well no just uh just shaman and uh um centurion no just shaman okay jam is the only one centered around the bleed like currently in the in the game uh the the spear wielder the peacekeeper well the the gladiator and the shaman have bleed mechanics it went from being something that like like two characters have to being like yeah yeah okay so it's two of the six but yeah shaman gets completely new movesets so like for example uh if you don't have a bleed on you she does a charge back and she does a leap forward answers an unblockable hit that drains stamina however if there is a bleed on you she's in bloodlust mode that jump back instead of being a hit will be a

grab where she bites your neck and starts like tearing bits out well and has shit tons of damage and the uh the last one the double the double samurai guy he is he is basically a modified version of the berserker lots of right left right left right left up what's it called i don't know i deck um i got nothing sure sure sure uh let me just see for honor classes and it's it's the fourth class it's the last one last class it's the last one to come out it's a it's a guy with a wide brim hat and uh double katanas okay um i want to say aramusha maybe aramusha there it is okay so playing all these classes and how they're all weird compared to the base ones makes me super excited for the the chinese characters that are coming in because like for example the old guy

the old chinese general looking guy he has a big two-handed sword but he's going to play nothing like highlander so what the fuck is that going to be you know like it's also like i i didn't mention it last time the change to dedicated servers fucking yeah you you well you did and and that it no but it's a it's a big fucking it's night and day it's absolutely night and day yeah for two reasons one the connections are a million times better which a game like this it helps the second thing is now the game always knows who rage quit always and what's the penalty for that they forfeit you win okay day rage quit you won okay done so guess what it's quite rare to have people rage quit on you now very nice games great had a lot of fun all right also uh you earn 800 steel a day

now from piss easy daily challenges can you still pump oh yeah no that's super in the game absolutely and some and some characters can do it super well and some characters can't really do well at all on this set okay cool uh fuck you gotta get back in a point it's so good fuck i know i do it's just yeah it's just the win it's just with a win in the how you know and then and and such and so on because you have to you gotta sacrifice things you know so many points to spread around that's it man and like i'm i'm really enjoying near and a couple other things just stop playing fighting games so guess what you know how all this shit's been going down on my channel and all these things have been happening and whatnot guess what you gotta

sacrifice things yeah time on the clock time on the clock more more lp more like i'm doing five lps more willy versus and more of all that stuff means less fighting game time there was i haven't i haven't been on dragon ball in a minute like i had there was a weekend uh a while ago when i finished pillars i streamed what was it i streamed four times and it was five seven nine and eleven hours yeah over three or four days right that week was gone yeah for everything else because even even if i had the time to play a game i didn't want to play anything no after blowing 11 hours on fucking pillars yeah it's it's just it's like anytime something new arrives it's enjoyable but you just you have to eat there's always it goes hand in hand with all what got dropped you know

what we have real bad willy the worst of anybody i've ever encountered fomo yeah fomo real bad fomo real bad and the thing is is and it's worse when it's fomo for a multiplayer game because that moves there's a timer that's organic and also the forerunner of now is not the forerunner of last year and it's not going to be the forerunner of the the chinese expansion you know offline shit will be the same forever but this is a time-based thing man to those of you who are here of missing out i was damn it too too he was too fast yeah so uh speaking of timers let's get into the news jojo part five got us oh yeah that timer got kicked up uh i think there was a tumblr called like is jojo part five 536 days of that tumblr yeah and then it is like yes thank you for your time

and i had friends that watched that fucking press conference live and it sounded like they were going to jump out windows because of how like awful it was and at the end of the god damn conference eriky just came out said yes the part five anime is coming of course it's coming out yeah but like they watched this whole thing about bullshit and merch and all that is like japanese press conferences the fucking worst dude they're the absolute worst yeah and nothing will top that i uh i saw a little promo commercial thing uh with the whole crew and uh with the the gang star boys and i saw the obviously um the voice actors picked out for the all star and uh the other one eyes of heaven i hope they keep those voice actors because they're fucking a good fit

you know like like bruno and narancia and like all of them are like pretty much exactly what i thought they would be and um i feel like it's like those those characters you need a bunch of boy band sounding motherfuckers are you guys ready for some fancy italian lads to go on a goofy gang star adventure i need here's what i need i need the fucking intro i need the music in this show to sound like i just started uh curb your enthusiasm i want what i want to hear gondolas and i want italia i want the most i want the most all of garden sounding bullshit which is it's funny because all gardens like the fakest garbage ever but anyway i want not like japanese italy huh exactly i need it i need my fucking like mobster music to sound accurate as fuck

um give me the pizza pasta spaghetti time please that's all i say and i and i know they're and i know that like uh that art i mean that era what is that so that's well he's gonna put whatever he was listening to at the time right that's gonna become the thing but this is what this is the one where uh ericky started listening to like west coast rap ah sick nice we get dub c all up in this bitch in the name of the streets let's do it this is when rappers start entering into the the canon of stand names i'm down i'm down um i am so excited for what those are gonna be in the fucking subs oh yeah yeah yeah uh what because this is i you can look at the video games for i know but it like reference though because par four is when it starts to get ridiculous and like this is my

electric stand red hot chili peppers right but par five is just like look it's a ghost no it's metallica that is it's mandatory is bi g right yeah oh my stand sticky fingers spelled the same one like yeah pass pass pass pass pass it's the sex pistols what like yeah it's just dead on and it's like and it's like metallica is the one that gets me because metallica is not a word it's only a band name so metal boys yeah we'll see we'll see there's gonna be some if we get yeah zipper man exactly oh zipper man let's see what we get oh that's bad that's the worst one i don't like that um the so the part three definitely delivered when we got that 42 second punch fest that was nice well deserved come up in take that steely dan what is the time frame

for seven pages of muda muda muda muda what does that translate into because i feel like anything shy of like two or three 180 seconds is kind of cutting it like short that needs to happen unadulterated unapologetically and the dude needs to melt before we get our re and then into the fucking dumpster you go it's so sick it's like that's all that's pretty much the whole thing i'm waiting on really um yeah man and i'm excited because you know i i posted on twitter but it's like uh various people at david production like this is their favorite part really and they've been relatively unpopular opinion uh in japan part five is huge really huge compared to the i i actually didn't like a lot of people i got about halfway through part five yeah a lot of

people a lot a lot a lot of people feel similarly and and it's and it's honestly uh because it like yeah just it's true that giorno is not the most compelling joe star no quote unquote joe star whatever came from the same balls good enough what are you gonna came from the balls man what are you gonna what close enough uh he is not the most compelling in terms of his personality you know and like as the alternating between as alternating between like warm and cold personalities go he's very cold but um very very cold but yeah but part five is very popular in japan yeah i mean it's got it's got it's got a game that you know they made of that part like um so they're very excited to work on it and they've been sketching out like the fucking gang stars

for a while now so i expect a full i expect a lot of love to go into this the gang star thing is the worst he's gotta be one man it's so bad you you know you just don't have enough passion in your life the motivation of characters in part five are near universally fucking stupid across the board and like i'm not gonna delve into it but there is a character whose motivation might be the stupidest fucking thing in joe joe for what their goal is compared to what they could have and it's oh it's so dumb it's so dumb but yeah what's more important than the block huh hey you know what that corner is my corner yeah it's just a corner but it's mine and i'm not leaving it's a bunch of anime boys who want their corners gotta hold it up man that's

my corner fucking marlo uh that's that's cool but i was actually not referring to that when i said the time it's yeah i was referring to way dumber news oh yeah i keep looking to the fucking camera that's not there this is so stupid this one's going out to all three of you out there playing revengeance on your macintosh oh this is the worst computer this is quite bad hey do you guys want to know what the absolute worst case scenario for phone home drm is it's if you own metal gear rising on a mac now i i i'd love to see the numbers on this i can't imagine they're very 12 people but metal gear rising revengeance uh was ported to mac uh by a company called trends gaming and they had a fucking always online drm uh requirement yeah so the

game had to phone home to a server at all times unlocking the ability to play guess what trans gaming's gone to shut down their servers they went out of business they're gone what does that mean company no longer exists every game they've ported including metal gear rising revengeance unplayable forever they're phoning home to nothing so if you own the mac version of metal gear rising fucking go pirate that shit because you deserve it yeah uh metal gear rising by the way an an offline single player game oh yeah like no multiplayer element of any kind uh yeah you can no longer play it your your money is gone congratulations you now basically have to go through someone thankfully has have put up a hack sure that you can rely on to to play the game but

it's just like how does that you know what my first piece of advice to folks affected by this is a context team support to get a refund regardless of when you bought it because the game went from working to not working outside of your control yeah uh and it and it so that that got ported in 2014 is what it says here according to the article and um what i wanted to know is like what other games they've ported yeah that would be running into similar issues because this is the one that came up right exactly but were there other things that they actually that that you know because revenge is huge but were there other games they worked on wow you'd put that shit into google and gotten fucking nothing um they're now playworks no they're not no there you

see but this looks like another company dude this company is gone this company's just good you're just fucking gone then they're not notable enough to have their own wiki page because that's what i was looking for just like a exactly like an entry um it like one link read one thing leads to something called fin dev another thing which is in toronto which is not the same thing formally trans gaming in could it be this one maybe now they're a real estate financer maybe d r m digital rights management oh this is this is them this is them trans gaming's use of secure arm is notable because the company's decision to use secure arm technology for all max max games enabled through the cider irrespective of distribution channel yeah and whether or not it was used for their the

windows so they were throwing secure arm with the phone home the there were there were different ways you could run secure arm a lot of companies had secure on phone home for the first like two weeks and then they would disable it just to discourage like that mass flood of piracy in their release window whether or not that was for pr reasons or shareholder reasons or financial reasons or whatever but these guys just fucking through secure arms infinite phone home version on everything that they ever touched so which is crazy fucking trash but there you have it um again it's like it's not affecting a lot of people but it's sur is making someone that spent money upset because they're legitimately because your business now remains like i bought nothing

effectively yeah i don't understand how when that happened no i do understand oh man but i let us follow your disturbing sad thought process here when you're gonna go when this happens how is your last move not a patch who cares yeah i guess that that's the answer let me let me put it to you this way woolly because you gotta pay someone for that patch you're the software engineer that would be involved in that right hey woolly yeah you're fucking fired yeah exactly get out yeah you're gonna make the patch at home no exactly it's that's that's the end of that story yeah that's what which is why that's why i combo broke myself because it's like that's a hundred percent it priorities are not this it's a million other things you know yeah so uh that's bad don't do that

uh there's a couple things you shouldn't do all right don't stick your dick in things that would hurt it like a blender or a vacuum not recommended don't get your dick ripped off by a vacuum uh don't pretend someone else's game code is yours i love this i love this this is my favorite ever because it's oh fuck you westworld you piece of shit so the westworld mother game has taken enough the westworld mobile game which is a obvious fucking ripoff a fallout shelter Bethesda claims is not just an obvious ripoff but actually stole things from fallout shelter including wait wait wait wait hold on i think it just looks similar pat there's like who's to say on the surface level that this screenshot or any of the things that happen in the westworld

game are actually the fallout shelter here's the fun part Bethesda in the most Bethesda way possible ever noted that there are bugs that happen in uh the westworld game which were present in early pre-release versions of fallout shelter that could be replicated oh my god but with the exact same methods like it is the it is the most undeniable proof stolen of their work ever that is like straight up i'm like putting myself back on the qa floor and then someone walks over with a build for like for a completely different game and says hey can you try reproeing these bugs and you go what and they're like trust me and you go oh no and then you do it and it works and then everyone just starts dancing just starts dancing because oh fuck look at these assholes being able to save

bugs being able to reproduce bugs that's of this type are like is the the most ironclad proof that they just stole code and assets it's never been more condemning like it's it's the app beyond damning order of brothers is going to eat shit on this yeah so uh that's some funny shit and coming out ahead of it and like trying to deny is not no don't do that don't do that say nothing and investigate if you need to but uh yeah Bethesda seeking damages arising from the breach of contract and copyright infringement and also wants westworld removed from the google play and the app store this game's gonna die well not missing out on much um little sheebie anthony hopkins is not i can't believe something that we really so this is the kind of thing that

you would expect from no-name fuck ass developer from nowhere right china whatever right just take it yeah it's mine yep warner brothers yeah that's weird are you serious but may could it be like because here's the thing what you need to do is check the court the credits on this and see because a lot of the times it'll be like Warner Brothers hired some fucking company out of Cornwall yeah you know to come in and do this and then they all they hired jopen and the jf crew that you know jfjg jfg jfp you know jgf jfl and jd and uh they all got together and uh and jf is number one yes yeah um hey jf no not that jf the other jp no no no not jf no no not jfp not jfp hey john hey john shut up yeah this is a uh hello john oh hey this is a this is a

fucking this is a ridiculous one but hey um it's absurd yeah and also like fuck you okay there's a there's a long history of Bethesda like having code taken from them in shenanigans's way oh yeah well remember they sued karmak and those guys for taking the vr technology that they were working on while they worked at Bethesda did they yeah so the idea was is that karmak helped work on vr technology in his own time but Bethesda contracts say that anything you work on in your own time while you work at Bethesda's hours and that was them trying to get in on that shit let me see something fallout shelter developer Bethesda game studios

however behavior digital ink uh-huh behavior interactive uh-huh what are you looking for here behavior interactive there's Bethesda sues warner brothers and behavior interactive over westworld game behavior interactive developed westworld mobile game the fucking same company made both games the same company made both well no shit they reuse the code that's exactly what happened what a bunch of idiots a little bit more complex than it seems what a bunch of stupid fucking idiots holy shit uh yeah yeah yeah little got me a little text here that's uh that seems to indicate

that they just basically used the same code themselves that they made that's so stupid it's it's even dumber this is the this is even dumber because this is this is warner brothers going to the developers of fallout shelter and say just do it and just make the exact same game yep and put westworld on it and then they reskinned it this is the most direct clone ever now here's the thing here's the thing right usually when you have this happen i don't know if it's stipulated within the fucking paperwork or not that like they own everything including all the code but you would have to assume that they do because what triple a company wouldn't cover their asses like that so one of the things that

that piqued my interest but i didn't fall up on it like you did was that in the original article it says that uh Bethesda's also suing uh was it called behavior interactive behavior yeah or breach of the company that's fucking is here from a breach of contract and that breach of contract is very likely hey dumb shits we own everything in here oh boy oh boy it's even dumber that's the worst this is the worst yep yep everyone in this fucking story is dumb except for Bethesda well we uh who knows like they maybe they just looked cross-eyed at a deadline and just went fuck this we can do it if we just and just pat it yeah no one will notice you know yeah uh that's some good sleuth in there walls that's not i'm not again i got a little a little

on the phone so i'm like hey check this out yeah a little live so i'm not taking credit there um thank you text message person sleuthing however will as we as we were talking about uh last week make some people that are witcher fans be like hey wasn't there that character that has this thing that talks about cyberpunk well i'm the director and i think that's fucking stupid cyberpunk developer director says fucking stop i'm so i'm so happy i brought this up last week and spent like five ten minutes on it because the story has evolved literally uh polygon reports that they when they brought up in an interview with cd scroll down by the way it oh okay in an interview for cd project with cd project read

about cyberpunk 2077 uh they sat down uh with um adam bedowski and asked him so when should players expect to bump into siri the the character you described that has the vision i will paraphrase the director's response which is i really wish people would stop asking i'm gonna i'm gonna pull it off so that it's not spoiled but i don't like that i hate it uh oh jesus bedowski said putting his head in his hands your favorite question the ceo said with a broad smile on his face i hate this question um but he says yes this is where he goes like we're not kingdom hearts we're not joining universes i know there's a lot of fans on the team that would like siri in the game but i'm totally against it still so we're not fucking kingdom hearts he says here's the thing

that's great that's that's a that's a funny quote but there is one massive problem with him saying that is that you already did it you by making her do that you already did it in witcher three by making her say that by making her say that yeah you can't now suddenly act as if that request is now stupid did he do that maybe not was because probably because he's talking about he's not just saying oh what he's literally on the team yes people on the team wanted a very likely dissension yeah and and then here's the thing the ceo says maybe you'll change your mind maybe there's a little hope there because there's still it sounds like they still haven't fully agreed on whether this is gonna happen or not but the director at the moment fucking hates it i'm gonna i don't know

the names of the people involved here but i'm gonna assume that the director of cyberpunk had absolutely nothing to do with the inclusion of that particular bit in witcher three like maybe didn't even work on the game sounds to me like someone's trying to escape from crossing fate that being said it's like you can't you can't work you can't work on a game that already had an explicit tie-in and go and you know what i think this guy has a right to be frustrated because let's say siri doesn't come out his series not in uh cyberpunk 2077 do you know what's gonna happen then yo is she gonna be in the dlc yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's not gonna fucking stop until they're done and guess what their post release support shit lasts for like two years this is gonna be

the next three or four fucking unless he's unless he definitively comes out and says never because this was a fuck this yeah but it wasn't a no it was just the ceo was like you know there's people with their fucking desktop wallpapers at the office set to her you know that he's getting that youtube clip every day in his inbox and he's just fucking getting grumpy about it that's hilarious man i love that the reaction is we're not fucking kingdom arts oh shit it's especially gonna get awkward because they own the witcher series forever because of that deal they made yeah hilarious deal they made yep gerald is done uh but i the witcher three very feels like hey we're gonna set up siri that if we continue

witcher games into the future it siri will be the main character so if they ever put out a witcher game that has siri in it as the main character this will only grow hey when's she gonna be in the next cyberpunk how hilarious would it be if it just doubles down on a one-sided like crossover where one group is really trying as hard as they can and the others actively running away from them hey what's what's this siri oh it's a picture i took in future detroit oh yeah yeah yeah that'd be oh man just going hard like crossover weapons showing up and spells that are inspired by the future siri what's that it's a laser gun yeah yeah yeah but the other but it's like you can't fucking run away fast enough in cyberpunk because

that like the cyberpunk team doesn't have control over what the witcher teams do so they could do anything they fucking want they could take assets from cyberpunk and just put it in there it's like what's that oh it's a car like who cares fucking people on one team start like infiltrating the other and like trying to try to try to code in secretly trying to get her in there oh man oh i love it i love it um that that that those guys have development squabbles all the time like you know how witcher three came out and the movement was all fucked up you must have heard about that and then they put out a different movement control scheme that was more responsive like one of the one of the guys who eventually left the company is talking about like we fought

about that fucking thing every single day about how gerald should move and the director of the project was adamant like no he's not nimble he's just like a big man he moves like this there everyone seems like you're you're fucking crazy it's gonna feel like shit and then sure enough the reviews all docked it from feeling like shit it's like maybe just maybe they were onto some people who nag hard enough will get her in as a free dlc who knows don't stop bothering the witcher the cyberpunk people about getting serious like a capulets and monogues man fucking sneaker you got to sneak it in there um and that's a long ways away so we'll we won't know until ever till 2077 long time yeah long time but maybe by then we'll have our hands on

the final fantasy seven remake which is about the number interview yeah and it's a really brief one but you know it's short and sweet Nomura basically concedes that final fantasy seven remake was announced too early but the reason why they pushed it and got it out there was because they were as they had started working on ff7 at the time internally there were grumblings and rumblings that basically uh were leaning towards this getting leaked and so instead of having it popped before they got a chance to they wanted to get out ahead of it and just say yep we're in development it should be mentioned that the game did actually leak like six hours before its announcement so it was getting more and more you know like uh difficult for them to yeah they wanted they

wanted to control the message and so that's what they did so they just jumped ahead and and uh i mean you would have had years of whispers oh yeah and it would have been definitely and many people would just that's fucking stupid yeah but remember like dmcp five like it would be get eventually there'd be a full year and eventually it would become the open secret and it becomes when are you gonna fucking acknowledge is it gonna show this year yeah and then everyone kind of goes from yeah to being like well fucking finally yeah yeah though yeah um square has been announcing shit too early and then making statements like this through a director or producer or whatever since i want to say like 1999 when they announced 9 10 and 11 you remember that they announced all

three games yeah yeah uh those games came out on time they were a very different company back then everything since then has been like 12 was okay but it came out in a weird unfinished state right because of the the arguments with matzano but starting with 13 really it's like every single fucking project they have announced one they take two or three extra years than they should and on top of that they're announced two or three years before they should so you have this situation like oh cool they announced a game i'll play it in the next console generation nearly every time it's crazy there is absolutely a magic moment before release that is like just enough time to get people hype enough time for it to build and still like have a decent like

marketing build up or whatever without people getting into the realm of being frustrated with how long it's taking and or absent E3s where every time that happens it's like uh you know and then three go by and you're like it goes from uh to frustration and i and i and i i think like matz a good barometer for that where it's kind of like you can either have nothing and get that shitty blowback or you can have a thing that's not ready and get that shitty blowback like there's sometimes you're in a no win yeah right and to me silence is almost always the better option because at least it's like hey if it was ready you'd see it you know and i think that's the and and and the only thing i'd say better than silence is now what what i feel cd projected which is candid message of guys

we know it takes a while please understand but not not not these things they take time but like just not that not a smug version of it i'm fucking salt as shit about that still not the smug version but the real candid version of this is what it is this is what we're doing here's where we're at and of course we just want you to like the thing in the end so let's just wait till that time just before we get too far away from it yep the game of that was half life three no no not that one the game that he said that was the the sword fighting game the sword fighting game the kickstarter game yeah okay it bears mention clang clang bears mention that not only was given a smug asshole in these things take time making a crowbar for no fucking reason right

but the pitch that he was in that game didn't come out either it did not it did not it's like he's poisoned to game development it's fucking ridiculous but you actually know who's been doing a good job with this lately capcom mm they've been doing a pretty good job when's remake out early next year when's dmc five out early next year when we learned about it like a couple weeks ago how long are we gonna wait six to nine months am i crazy to think that they successfully stole pts thunder and ran with it with re7 absolutely because the desire that ptsy put in everybody being dropped was just picked up with another franchise that people are equally passionate about it wasn't quite the same but people got people who were like oh it looks like pt yeah

that's that's that's that's super the vibe i got because like as much as like it used to be a case of side health fans and reasonable fans like oh no ours is better at some point when those series became bad yeah they became one amorphous horror blob like i i i i capcom with a sandwich half in its mouth going i could do that i could i could do that so the other thing uh as i said you know capcom has been doing a pretty good job of it lately you know who else has not done a good job of it in the recent past capcom um in which i remember uh i remember asking liam about this and i remember asking you guys about this and being like just deep down cancelled or what and uh usually the answer well there was beta footage over at that event or some shit uh

dude that was a that was shown in the ps4 like announcement stage conference so i talked about that i feel like a week or two ago actually and i feel like deep down is just going to get luli bergamot like it's not there's nothing if you're you're gonna see it again but it won't be recognizable in any way shape or form the thing that it was forget that and you're going to see a new thing and then they're going to grab a spear and the camera's going to go over the shoulder and you're going to be oh that's deep down yeah that's that's but it won't look anything like it was yeah maybe man you got a point because they're not going to waste that work but it's just not like it's been so long that just close your heart to it you know i didn't really have my heart all that open to it

in the first place no but but not only was there was like that was when souls was a thing and like they released dragon's dogma to fill that fight you know what i mean like that's not why dragon's dog no that's not why it exists but i'm saying for capcom that's a series and a void that is like very clearly like they have this fantasy thing done deep down it was this weird half futuristic dungeon crawling thing going on and whatever the fuck it was from what we saw like they had a combat engine in there so stab things with a spear yeah i think it's just safe to say forget about it until you see the new edition of it with like anime titties yeah like i think that's all it's gonna happen really um on top of the armor of course always revealing um and while we're at it

we can quickly take a look as a capcom in their in their attempt to get back to cap god status how topical there uh they put out a little cool little video and some screenshots showing you the design decisions behind mega man 11 oh cool and some of like the choices they made to like you know make him look a certain way because mega man is a very simple character there's a lot you can do when you're gonna pick a new 3d model yeah and uh yeah there's a little uh 10 minute video of them just describing why they picked what they picked and how they got there and what they what they went through as far as iterations go and if you're into design choices and things like uh this then uh take a look cool it's not quite the uh arc sys fucking ted talk on why soul bad guys

model is the greatest achievement of video games this century but uh it is an interesting little thing if you want to see how they got to the rock man rock man uh design that they have here that's nice anyway um little little little changes too they have a little thing like you can see uh on his shoulders where is it yeah a little like robotic indentation there like a little small design things that come and go but whatever that's fun he's a super fighting robot mag man save in the world um there is that also fighting to save the world you try is let's see it um yeah tom holland all right tom holland revealed that the next spider man movie's name is spider man far from home oh oh what and it continues the whole homecoming themes and there's a dual

meaning to it says kevin phagey uh phagey it's a phagey i think it's phagey i say phage phage i don't know how to say his name anyway uh yeah apparently there's a dual meaning behind the name and the whole thing with home and the symbol where the oh and home is the little spidey thing and so on and so forth but that doesn't make any sense i don't why is this movie coming out it's coming out in a place in a time that makes no sense it's coming out this year no this is the end of the of the um the fucking 21 or 22 movie arc okay uh this is uh a weird it's certainly way to promote this particular movie but then again tom there's a bunch of fun stuff of tom holland like leaking things unintentionally anyway like he gets an envelope and he pulls it out and

he's looking at this spider man poster and he's like oh man this art's great and on the back it says marvel co do for your eyes only you know like do not share or whatever and he's like looking at it and then he flips it around to show the camera and he sees the thing on the back and goes oh and then just pulls his phone down he just grabs his phone and pulls the stream down like you fucking child that is our spider man that's great for sure it's great what are you gonna do to him you're not gonna fire him you're gonna give him a stern talking to yeah tom holland's fucking hilarious with that shit so he's doing this he even like there's a bit where he like i don't know the full details of it but apparently like he knew about the new Jurassic

park before chris pratt did what and he kind of used that to dunk on him a little bit too and chris pratt's like what the fuck's going on anyway why you telling me about my movie it's it's it's i like that for peter i like that i'm not hearing good things about that new Jurassic park i haven't heard anything about it yeah i've heard uh i've heard that it's fucking stupid is it like more than the last one like Jurassic park sequels tend to be yeah yeah well yeah how smart can the movie possibly be it's about fucking dinosaurs unless we get that one where it's the future and yeah dino scientists uncover a fossil of a man and they use the mosquito dna to mix it with the man surprise it's jeff gobloom oh no they mixed the dna now we have a sequel to the fly that tweet is

the best that was the fucking best it's good i like it um what's oh man did you see jeff gobloom talking about what his favorite moment in acting is no his favorite moment in his entire acting career is that weird laugh that he does in Jurassic park on the helicopter that fucking that's his favorite fucking moment in acting that is the best what a hero what a hero the world doesn't doesn't deserve at some point jeff gobloom photos just started showing up in my twitter feed of him just being a cool hot old man that's correct that's what he is it's not like it's like one person on my feed is like no it's just he embraces it we like we all embrace him but um that's not the only spider-man news because uh also in continuing to do their thing sony kingdom hearts sony uh is

apparently working on silk yeah so silk i don't know much about silk but it's uh korean american web slinger cindy moon is a new there are so many goddamn spider people yeah like how like it's kind like bat people yeah spider people and his bat people but you know why because spider man is the most popular thing in the fucking world that's correct like it's like okay that i want to have my own spider let's have our own yeah said writer of whatever yeah um spider man india with the cool pants oh i don't know about that oh spider man india is so red dude hold on you got to see this oh it's so cool i fucking love the design um you little pants you just take you just like spawn slash vast the stampede it you get spider man india where he's got the cool fucking oh that's

cool yeah so he's wearing the spider man outfit up top but then he's got a little sash and then the loose kind of like um loincloth kind of thing and then the he's got baggier pants too that's super it's a really cool design and i'm like fuck yeah man that's a yeah yeah yeah i like that's a good spider i like it a lot so anyway spider man is popular so there's all kinds of different versions spider man it's popular get out of town and so uh sony in continuing their spider verse without spider without spider man uh they're uh putting they have a a silk development deal um based on the character silk from amazing spider man number one in 2014 yes this is one i this is this is a character i definitely like i don't know much about at

all that i hadn't heard of that came and went um apparently the deal was that she's got her abilities like shifted so that she's got a way stronger spider sense but less superhuman strength and she's way faster yeah so it's like you take take the peter parker stats and you just slide him around a bit yeah and you put them on to into other things more more flash less hulk and so that's gonna be a thing um yeah and uh yeah no no dates or anything else but like whatever like sony's trying to really create this spiderless spider verse and if venom isn't bad they might actually be able to do it as long as they establish that like we just make self-contained so i'm gonna i'm just gonna put this out there i have i i have negative faith in sony in developing any of

these movies well they've it's been that way for fucking five tries why wouldn't it be and that one said amy pascal developing wasn't she the head of sony movies for a while i don't know wasn't she the one that made all those stupid fucking decisions could be i feel like that's the case um but yeah like venom is gonna determine a lot and it looks like it could be terrible but it also looks like it could be good it just depends on how much the word symbiote is said uh i don't know i don't know what to make of it i bet that movie's gonna be a trash bar it might be with one really cool thing the worst possible thing would be if it just landed in the middle because then you've got amazing spider man nothing who um but sony clearly is not fully

happy with handing off spider man and then sitting back and doing nothing with the license that it still has right because you know i would love for in the new spider man from the marvel they're like hey man hear about silk and venom that's crazy and he's like all those losers they're stupid away says marvel whose logos are still gonna be in that silk movie and yeah that's weird because they still do have their their involvement uh and then we got a couple of things uh remember agony yes game that looked cool and then looked less cool and then came out wasn't good agony is having some problems what's that um the developer uh recently came out and had to basically cancel a version of the game they were working on the unrated version exactly yeah

there was a version of the game that sounds like a made out of spike kind of version of the game well no they they they were pushing that as like it was the most hardcore vicious violent game ever and um the esrb and looked at that and said get the fuck out of here with some of this shit so they cut some stuff and uh some footage of the um of the cut scenes got out somewhere and it was like stomping babies and also you know was it yeah it's bad stuff agony unrated was planned to be a separate title uh published by mad man studios mad mind studios without the involvement of any publishers uh featured additional content and changes suggested by you our community as nothing is more valuable to us yeah so and so and so so it's gonna be like the hey fuck you

we'll just release this where the srb can't touch us version um and uh i'm seeing that the game didn't do very well so they might not have the development resources to actually put that out yeah so uh it's basically canceled um due to financial problems and and legal reasons technical and legal reasons what fucking legal reasons um the the statement is we regret to inform you that our company is currently struggling with financial problems due to technical and legal reasons mad mind must cancel agony unrated part of the team will continue support on agony for steam and consoles publishing new patches um and then they talk about the patches coming to xbox one x and such but uh yeah this new fucking titty ass succubus mode is uh apparently not gonna happen

so um this i remember matt telling me about and uh the original the original trailer for that game was wild because it was such a outrageously dark vision of hell well the worst version ever but wasn't the original thing not showing any game footage whatsoever no the very first thing was they showed a character like wandering through a horrible environment which like the the doors are like mouths because i remember the shot word like the big hell pit right i remember that and then as the game kind of like meander torres release like it's like no it's about this evil succubus and evil and every part of it that they showed was less cool than the first one and like down to the fucking logo being a vagina with tea yes but this is definitely this is i remember

this being well also like the head of these demons and shit like that we're looking at here but i definitely remember this being uh um one of the ones that like you know matt was talking about early on where it was just kind of like they're not showing anything and people are around and it kind of people they're kind of like the kickstarter was sort of banking on the idea as opposed to showing yeah concepts which is like that doesn't really work man when you click play i don't know for me at least i know when i click play on a thing cut right to the game some prototypes cut to the game i mean if it's you talking it depends on what it is but i if you cut right to the game it makes me feel a lot better about backing your project um anyway so yeah that that's what's going

on with uh with agony mad mind dev unfortunately i don't think i've heard a single positive game about the positive thing about that game after its release like everything from like it looks buggy to like it just wasn't very good you know just non non-specific just like though uh it did you're probably you may not want to click on okay one of those huh yeah all right well in any case um i like the trailer that i did see for it like looked like a fucking beast as far as like lighting and texture yeah just like visuals go like it was really really out there um but that's what's up and what was it there's one last story no okay fuck it yeah fuck it news is dead fuck it there's a bunch of game there's a bunch of

shit coming out on switch you know that that that did you play any uh mario tennis i didn't i picked it up and just didn't find the time to play at any time because i was fucking around with my other stuff mario tennis is like incredibly fun multiplayer almost no fun to me single player well it does have the online now oh okay i guess there's that too yeah i i guess i'd want to play it with some people the way people talk about that game is like that is a fighting game like i see people talk about their me breaking spit breaking uh um the the people's rackets is a thing you can smash their racket and whatnot apparently yeah but at the same time like break their fucking racket in half well i remember when i was i think i think it was you back in the day

where we were i was i was trying to explain to you i think it was me and james small trying to explain to you yo you ever play virtual tennis you're like what is this stupid shit like no it's the fucking shit virtual tennis is amazing was it you uh maybe anyway i really really adored mario tennis for the game cube okay like i'm aware of the tennis game could be fun i remember i remember someone not understanding why a tennis game would be fun and and like them having to be like i remember i remember really liking tennis on the mess yeah okay and uh the mario tennis games are awesome and then eventually after um you you like if i hated on virtual tennis it'd be because it was a realistic tennis game instead of a arcade one i like my arcade sports games i don't

like my uh realistic ones after you ease everybody in on virtual tennis then you you get them to the real meat of the genre yes cosmic smash for the dreamcast cosmic bus i don't know what you're talking cosmic smash dude a dreamcast game where you're fucking playing tennis all right let's see it but it's it's it's trippy as fuck and it's all my jam um cosmic smash is trippy as tennis except you're in like a tron cube and you're fucking bouncing the ball off and it's one player but it's a fuck ton of fun believe this isn't a tennis game it's a racket ball it's a and it's great it's great it's a racket ball game it's fun is what it is and that's what uh after you after you you play a lot of tennis you build up to the final game this is what it is this isn't

fucking tennis this is what it is it's a ball in a racket yeah i don't know you are you aware of what racket ball even is yes it's the game that you play against the wall isn't it yeah with with with a buddy it's like tennis with half court you know in a weird room like in a weird it's always it's always a weird cube room yeah and there's always like rich assholes doing it to show how like rich they are yeah like in the wire like a fucking uh carcadian his buddy are playing it to show that you know we're playing rock and roll but uh if i'm not mistaken i think i i feel like they were the same engine because they felt very similar so i remember you got a racket you hit the ball yeah i think i think we actually like uh were i think they were they were the same

engine or so or whatever what the fuck squash then i don't know is squash not racket ball maybe it's some some european thing because i thought squash was squash and that squash was a vegetable let's see difference between squash you know it's better than both of those yeah ball and wall like suicide suicide when you play tennis ball and you throw it off the wall or whipper yeah yeah my my we don't call it ball and while we call it suicide okay because hey the rules are simple that you catch the ball that somebody threw they're out yeah but same thing when they throw it and they can't get it and somebody else grabs it you get to whip the they're fucking ass unless unless they touch the wall exactly that's yeah that's what that game's the shit yeah whipper whipper yeah

absolutely yeah we played a fuck to that we go what you call a ball and wall ball and wall huh that's it yeah it's simple i've heard it called ball wall or wall ball wall yeah i i've never heard those ones but it's the same fucking game yeah we know we did we did suicide and whipper play that in the fucking cold get the the ball gets real hard dude oh man what happens when you're playing because i used to fucking play and i'd play with like fucking sammy and justin and these assholes didn't give a fuck because they're coming for your head with it oh and so it was like okay you're basically sprinting full speed to the wall but turning sideways to avoid what's going on how many times do you just fucking eat shit on the wall harder than if you got hit by the ball

a lot it sucks it was a stupid ass game it's a way it's a way to trick like 10 year olds to run face first into a brick wall it was so dumb dude but we did it every time and you'd fucking eat shit hard and we'd laugh and then you'd get up and just do it again it's like we're i was um like uh me and my girl like we're playing knuckles the other day yeah like hey remember knuckles yeah you want to play okay and we start playing knuckles and then we start playing for real and it's like wait this game sucks wait wait i'm like okay i don't want to hurt like what the fuck you know and she's like no let's keep going and i'm like you want to keep going and say yeah i'm like okay and we're fucking playing knuckles i was like okay then we actually have to stop here

because we used to play that until we'd get like bloody knuckles whereas like okay how red is the other person's hand gonna get you know and the only thing with knuckles though is that like when you whiff you just whiff but um we'd also do like slaps where you have to hold your hands out and whiffing means you hurt yourself and that was always more i forget what we so so and in any case like i forget i forget the one that i forget it's name but you ever have you ever have one of those playgrounds that has it's just a instead of a jungle gym it's just a parabolic arch that's like 10 feet in the air it has rungs that you can climb on you just climb all the way up looks it's just a bit yeah yeah yeah i don't know that yeah so that thing goes up high that goes up like 10 feet

15 feet maybe so what was the elementary game of choice i think was called gladiator or some shit is you would climb all the way to the top then you would hang and grab the the very top two or maybe one back like uh the the instead of the middle two the one back and you would hang from it and then the other kid would hang from it and then you would just try to kick the other kid off what the fuck okay no i never see that wow the if you won you stayed and then another kid would climb up and i was really good at it because since i was so much shorter than all the other kids it was a lot easier for me to get my legs up to kick them in the face whereas all the other kids could only kick each other in like the chest or the legs you kick people in the face the arms

they just drop like rocks that's fucked dude i don't know anything about that um what we did do when bloody knuckles wasn't enough was you play fucking coin knuckles you ever play coin knuckles i've never played coin knuckles coin knuckles dude oh that shit hurts you put your knuckles down on the fucking table like uh like fist down yeah yeah exactly so knuckles down exactly like you're punching the top of your hand facing outward okay and then someone on the other end of the table puts their thumbs on top of a quarter like and rests all the index fingers they we didn't call it coin knuckles i don't know what we and you and it was like a penalty shootout where you had both knuckles it down right and so you had to basically be the those were the goalposts and the person

had to try and score but if they fucking whiffed and they hit your knuckles it cuts your knuckle with the fucking quarter and it's full speed and that shit sucked dude sucked and i didn't play it because that that game was oh man it hurt and we did it all the time all the fucking time you'd be astonished with how fast kids can launch small projectiles yep like i remember like even if you even if they didn't hit you and they scored it would hit you yeah in the chest and that would sting and core and canadian quarters have like uh like ridges yeah around their edge extra bladed so yeah you're getting some extra texture on that rip um the mage dirt blah the most major difference between racket ball and squash is that the latter are using smaller rackets with an allowed

maximum length of 22 inches while squash rackets have a maximum allowed length of 27 inches squash ball is smaller and racket ball is 2.25 inches in diameter that's a it's a minor it's pool and snooker yeah that's all man there's a lot of there's a lot of young people going to be listening to this podcast going to go what do you mean you beat each other's asses at school yeah you're allowed to beat each other's asses anymore for good or for ill no you get your participation trophy uh whatever uh you know what children's to start fight clubs i mean we played power rangers and that was basically fight club without being fight club yeah because we talked about it before there was always there was always that moment when you were roughhousing as a young person like 8 to

12 let's say where and it was always with a kick where you just kicked a shit out of somebody like you just fucking launched the perfect kick and it like hit their chin or chest or something and they would fall down and they'll go right and you'd have that moment of like uh oh i fucking hope i didn't break nothing because if i broke something i'm actually in for real in trouble yeah so you go up to play hey you're okay you're you're fine you're fine you bat him on the back like hey yeah yeah they're like i'm fine you asshole and you're like good kick him again okay well there's uh there's a fucking video um i forgot to do today but it's like he's like fuck he's shitting around with his little brother and then like if he does like a wrestling move or whatever

and then like is and he hurts him and his brother's like he's crying and then he's like oh shit because mom's nearby he's like oh i know i'm hurt too oh oh no oh man yeah no i know it sucks oh i'm like yep yep we're all hurt we're all hurt oh oh jimmy hit me so i hit him back because i was defending myself ah fuck let's take some emails good old rough house of days yep hey if you have some dumb playground game that we've probably never heard of and you want to tell us about it send it to super bestfriendcast at gmail.com that's super bestfriendcast at gmail.com all right let's see got one coming in from forget it up so i'm just gonna send one in and it's gonna be like how do people not die from this uh steve says they're super bestfriend

coiff yeah steve what up i'm gaining a newfound appreciation for lawn care styles on both girl and guy character designs i'm wondering what games anime cartoons you think have the best animated hair long and flowing in the wind kind of moments are essential cheers i'm bald you are yeah i always dug uh awakened samanosuke from onimusha3 yeah that's good one that shit looks fucking rad anything where your hair looks like it's underwater and so by extension nikali yeah cars is pretty good cars cars is pretty good that rock hair it's good stuff moving on all right well i resent that question well there's one coming in from ryan uh derzai batzi particularly pat yeah what up the discussion

on the first first first versus third person cameras and immersion was really cool and reminded me of an experiment i did in my psych undergrad which you might find interesting i designed and ran an experiment specifically testing the differences between a player's physical and emotional reactions between first and third person cameras oh this is fucking great in 2012 2013 uh the only game that offered that option to switch between the two easily was skyrim so they all played through the first area once just to get your handcuffs and once you get your handcuffs off we played close attention to when the giant spider falls down and the fight with the bear at the end of the cave yeah i tested the heart rate and galvanic skin responses to see how much you sweat uh and

how to measure stress this is such a good idea and gave them a survey asking various questions about immersion investment and intensity of reactions we found no significant difference between both physical and emotional reactions between the first and third person which was super disappointing this was an undergrad example and by no means the final word on the topic but i thought you'd like to hear about a legit study i have a follow-up study for you and it may sound um asinine uh on its face but i bet you would actually see significant differences in those responses not based on perspective but on whether or not the players want to invert their camera okay so the deal is when you are playing a game you have what i believe it's called the locus

of control and it's where you perceive your control of the character to exist yeah it's either behind their head or in their head yeah but it's more specific it's either you as a controller of the of the camera or the character themselves yeah and whether or not that exists in in the real world in the physical space as you or in the world as like it and so basically the idea is the people who invert their cameras their locus of controls in a different place yeah which puts the camera movement on a fulcrum instead of on a direct control yeah it's on a dolly instead yeah yeah so that perspective change of where you exist because like i supplement really easily in games and like i get really easily i empathize with the character very easily i'm controlling

and i don't want my fucking controls inverted because i'm not crazy but i would like to see like if that perspective would actually lead to a different empathy response oh i see what you're saying because i'm like because like to me am i inhabiting the character or am i controlling the character yeah i've because yes it's always felt that like that's an obvious thing that it's like yeah it's just simply where do you perceive this this thing but um i don't know if that actually results to results in uh a different emotional well neither do i but i you know which is why i'd be interested in seeing if it ran it but at the same time too like certain games depending on the controls and what you're being asked to do there's been times where it felt all right to be

inverted um like in a plane in a plane it always feels correct because you're definitely if you're flying a throttle you're exactly like a plane is always the right way to do it because you're imagining tipping the nose and oh that's exactly yeah um but it's for the same reason uh i think i you know when you're talking about like the whole like fucking port starboard and all that where i'm like when it comes to panning the camera around and shit like we talked about it in god hand but it's like yeah there's a thing where even if it's inverted or not inverted there's always a moment also there doesn't appear to be a consensus on which one of those is inverted or not yeah well sure right and but you can but there is consensus that we want horizontal separate from vertical

hell yeah and um i found that like yeah if in a but a souls game is a perfect example where i'm running down a hallway and it's like and then it opens up or something and you're like okay look to your left and then i'm like okay hold on is i have to you stop i have a moment where i'm like which direction on the stick is going to make the camera go to the left you know and i'll just in that moment kind of forget because you don't think about it because it's so it's just an automated thing that you're only occasionally asked to stop and think about so there's that test flick always but um yeah it would be really interesting to see if that's the case i would like to see every variant of this test to see if there's any criteria you can find that causes a difference

because then you can use it i like i said i've personally already got the double investment though in that one i don't get motion sickness from a third person thing what and two i like seeing the character so those two things like just cement it you know what if you ran a version of the experiment but instead of first person versus third person it was your created character versus one of those creepy deviant sex monsters that are up on the nexus the succubus slash big titty anime girls and see if their emotional response changes then with or without the clean faces even what about that uh what about a little robot with like bows and jiggles yeah sure robot bouncey jiggle platform what if you use the mod that turns all the spiders into bears

really yeah oh you're not familiar with that no so they're do they move like spiders no they're just bears they just replace them so and the animations look really bad when they drop into scenes is that just because uh arachnophobia it is because there are people out there with like very severe arachnophobia that when they run into a game that has spider enemies they just they just fucking can't yeah so when possible they will mod it so that it's replaced with some other fucking model or some shit that's my brother for sure for sure yeah um um and it looks fucking terrible every time but it lets them get through it yeah i i understand scarry was unfortunate for those people because the first big dungeon the boss is a big fucking spider right like what i mean

it obviously depends because i feel like like with my brother he'd probably be fine with a big one he'd have a problem with a bunch of little ones yeah you know problem is the de facto spider death animation shit in a lot of games is kill the big one and here come the little ones oh yeah true true true which is awful oh there's definitely a weird thing where i or like um i think i described early on that like you know one remember that time the mosquito crawled in my ear when i was a kid and fucking just it's got stuck in there yeah and we have to like fucking call the ambulance and shit yeah my sister had the exact same thing happening or so so when bugs are nearby and the game is nice surround sound or i have a headphone on and one ear goes i'm done i'm done i grab the

head the headphones are going off they might get thrown i'm fucking done yeah but use you have in a you have a it's not a it's not a it's not a conscious you are having a physiological response to a noise yeah it's your body goes fuck that it's it's it's completely involuntary because it's just it's gonna get stuck in there again yeah and i'm gonna have that moment again and it's just it's automated yeah yeah yeah yeah um so i i get it i super get it or you can just turn off surround sound and just play with the fucking shitty ass mono speaker and then it's all fine uh hey what up scrams scrams says hey scrams pat recently streamed re2 and mentioned a few things one he was like super wrong yeah first played the game when you were

11 oh fuck this thing two re2 was released 20 years ago january 21st 1998 three you're 33 years old your birthday is april 22nd 86 you're 33 how could you possibly have played it when you were 11 are you insane or were you actually 12 am i 33 am i 32 86 to 28 it's 2018 minus one minus one you you're you're born year zero so i'm 32 no i'm 31 now have we hit april yet yes we have yeah for past april so i'd be i'd be 30 i'm 32 so i've spent like the past six months thinking i'm 33 well there you go so i just

gained a year in my life that's cool there you go um i i think i was 11 i guess maybe i wasn't but i played it uh i played it in the summer after it came out so whatever that was listen mistakes mistakes get made and age is a malleable and subjective concept you're only as old as you feel uh that's embarrassing see i don't know about you but like i could always go back to 09 as the year street fighter 4 came out and that's a nice like anchor point yeah for everything around it and uh yeah sure guy life as described through game releases i don't know how old i was at many points in my life and that's weird i was talking about university the other day i don't know how old i was when i went to university i'm like was i 22 or 23 i don't know i think i

was 17 when i went to sejep that i remember so that's put put a bow and that okay what yeah anyway you know what it's like when you get old it all just kind of runs together gang i mean for like when i was doing the math on mine i like it's weird because it's like i would subtract the one because i skipped a year but then i was i have a late birthday that starts after the school the school year starts that sucks so it just fucking it just compensates and adds up with like really and that was always horseshit yeah when you have a late birthday that starts after the summer is over then you you just get like fucking locked out so if anything i just landed in the middle and yours is infuriatingly close to christmas it was really shitty yeah

but that's what i get um here's one coming in from jeff says they're super super super super hey jeff you ever seen a thing where it's a movie show game where instead of just disliking it you disagreed with the lesson or message it was trying to convey all time maybe to the point where it's super disturbed you made you uncomfortable any examples i don't know i've tried i don't really hard i like that question yeah but i don't actually have an answer to it so i was hoping like one of you guys i don't uh i don't know what fucking muddled ass message bio shock infinite was trying to portray but i didn't care for it i mean i think at the end it was well spoilers i don't i don't know and i mean at a certain point it's just kind

of parental you know like that's just a that's always a yeah don't sell your kids to me i mean like there is always just you know but there's always like a thing where you just go okay what kind of love is this oh is it parental love okay that's a that's a message i i don't know i'm having um i have a serious problem with the japanese like fictional idea of forgiveness in a lot of cases in which like as long as as long as things worked out yeah you can be forgiven anything right fuck that yeah there's that that's bullshit it also translates sasuke it also translates really weird in moments where um people yell things at the at the villains such as i'll never forgive you like the entire like go fuck yourself is utes and i and it's kind of like yeah no shit

why would you yeah there's like why would why are we even talking about this as a concept and i think it's much more of a cultural thing i imagine i don't know but it's always weird we run into it a lot in japanese we run into it a lot exactly yeah i just i see that trend that line getting translated a lot and often enough to the point where i go why would you care why would this even matter at all what why does this evil piece of shit that's murdering people care about your forgiveness as a concept you know frieza maybe you killed krillin and my entire race and my dad and tried to kill us all again and again i think and you shot me and you beat up my children but you fought pretty hard against jeering you know you're not so bad

fuck that that's garbage uh yeah that's it's good that also goes into like goku's an idiot pull it hitler off the bench yeah i'll take care of you um yeah i really i'm having a hard time thinking of a thing where it's like it was dumb and i hated it but also the moral of the story i hated the more the moral of the story was yeah because usually the moral is just like a moral that makes sense but you fucked up in your delivery of it that's by far the most common which is what david cage does all the time you know like david k heavy rain you're supposed to love and protect your children that's a good theme gets fucked up and dumb along the way yeah like not only do you have to love and protect your children you have to love them enough that you can compete against

the gladiatorial trials i just i can't yeah i can't think of any unfortunately um i'm i'm sure if i fucking dig i might hit some obscure stupid anime i watched back in college or something awful that i read somewhere and and and get to a point but yeah anyway it's a shame that matt isn't here because i just remembered one at the end of binary domain ah there is a moral stance taken by almost every single character in the game and is assumed to be the obvious correct moral decision that your character and by extension usually the player is like no that's stupid and i shit you everyone is just like no man it's just gotta be that that's how it is you know they're right mm-hmm and matt and i are sitting there and it's like they're providing nothing to explain

why this is the case mm-hmm just that it's the de facto thing there's no explanation there's no attempt to convince anyone it's like this is how it's gotta be man that's the right thing to do and it's asinine it's so stupid you just fucking reminded me yeah you just reminded me um that to the letter is the problem with ultra despair girls oh yeah dang and rampa udg fucking sucks because of that um the stance that people take at the end of the game is one that is unbelievably like absurd considering the facts it's basically just like the most horrible actions that a person can commit like evil shitty stupid murderous horrible children yes should be forgiven because they're children yes the end it's crazy infuriating

so that's a combination of what i said before like there's no forgive them there's no point that you get to where it's like like and the thing is that the other games were pretty good at like pushing things to the limit where i gotta actually yeah keep going there's a point there's a thing where you they push things to the limit and you kind of hit a point where you're like okay it doesn't matter what you were before this moment like this is you've gone off the deep end slash you cross the threshold you gotta go yeah it's that's that and this is one where like yeah they absolutely just let kids be the worst ever but it's just supposed to be okay because the innocence of the young no matter what they're doing no matter how bloody their hands are no matter how

thoroughly they're chewing on intestines you know we have to let them off the hook because they're children in the end okay so i fuck you i actually want to need to circle back to binary domain and actually explain the real problem and spoilers for the end of the binary domain play through apologies and also that game is is quite old but basically the big plot twist in that game it's about robots that are pretending to be human right is that the the head of the robot facility oh you're upset i can see it i can see that you're still pissed off because it was a bad LP but it was also anyway it was also hurtful to yourself so the you find out all the big scientists that's running all the robot shit oh he was a robot the whole thing right sure surprise sure the real

twist is that uh he was able to manufacture robots that like snatchers essentially that could have children like real biological children oberth yes real biological children because the faking and the uterus and all that shit and that he had spread these out amongst the world decades ago and that the children of those pairings are okay and this is really important 100 percent cellular and biological but are healthier smarter faster etc right the order comes down the order comes down we have to exterminate all of those people because they're robots stop hold on stop hold on okay when you say they're biological i mean they're flesh and blood like there's no robotic like like matrix like matrix babies yeah sure nothing at all not a single cell

robotic or brains 100 human meant just just only difference is manufactured in a womb the womb was a robot womb okay that's it okay um and they're they're they're bioengineered yeah they're they're bioengineered yeah but they're just they're humans okay we have to kill all the robots they're gonna get all of us including our team member over there who happened to be a robot the whole time she also inexplicably switches sides i have to protect my robo brethren of the children across the world that are robot and and the whole time me and men are screaming like but they're not robots and they're just people and they've they've their parents at this point some yeah there's a generational yeah and and they're like well no we have to we have to we have and every

person in the game every person on your team they're like listen they're just one of them we just wow robots are they controlled in any way are they no not a bit they're all individual people and then the whole time we're just like but they're but they're not they're just not wow it's so stupid and the main character is a brave hero for standing up against that obvious status quo and going no oh they're not evil weed them out yeah was the default yeah and everyone like from the un down every party member they're not evil see they can be good and it's like but they're just average they're just wow wow and like it it is it is so tonally dissonant with what i would consider to be the average values associated with a person playing the robot right right right right right

especially since the most beloved character in the game is kane the robot so you just it's what you have to assume the world is just so ridiculous off kilter only makes sense from like a weird japanese like hyper nationalist insulated perspective about the other or something like that's the only way that i can think it makes sense are you sure about that i don't know but like hmm like it's so that sounds that sounds so fucking weird okay wowie wow wow it's so bizarre we have to get all the robots it's like and you shoot one and blood shoots out and you're like it's fucking stupid we got one coming in from uh miles hey super best friends i've been watching your less plays god hand listen to your advice on how to play the game

yeah advice such as finding a good flow to your standard combo and for the love of god put god break on triangle hey i don't tell i'm not telling anybody to do my controls whatever happens to be comfortable for you but uh since then i've decided to play the game with advice in mind and i've beaten one sitting god end has always been a game that's frustrated me because i'm a huge fan of character action i've triple s and uh platinumed every character action game i've played but when it came to god hand i'd struggle for hours and give up i believe the reason i was struggling was because when playing it i was going in for big numbers and big damage as the mentality rather than just trying to find what worked thanks to your simple advice i no longer have that problem keep it simple

man have you ever struggled with something for so long until someone gave you a simple piece of advice and you were instantly better at it oh man uh in uh in final fantasy uh 14 the number one piece of advice i've said before it was came from my friend areas it's like the the easiest way to waste time is to rush for time save time say the the biggest waste of time is trying to save time yeah and that applies to a lot of like rushing something to speed through it and if you fuck it up guess what you gotta do it over so it's a massive waste of time um uh this is gonna sound really stupid but i remember ages ago the phrase just block just fucking block don't get fancy don't do bullshit just block yeah yeah yeah yeah like uh so i can say i feel like a standout was um

like it wasn't in this one moment but it was the spark that made it happen i'd say was like when it comes to fighting games a long time ago i read somewhere online that uh someone was just describing like you know like mentalities and how to think about playing and trying to win and stuff and it was a simple discreet it was a simple um uh uh sentence that basically was saying don't fight to kill the other guy fight to protect your life bar yeah i remember you telling me that treat all the actions you're doing as you're protecting your life bar not you're trying to kill the other guys or deplete his and that simple change in perspective makes you a safer smarter player you're more calculated because you're you're thinking about things in a more

defensive way which like you shouldn't be fully defensive but a lot of people that play like these games will just jump into it and go all offense without a thought to defense so bringing it back to more defense puts you in the middle i would i would broaden out that uh statement and with a small explanation which is a concept that i'm going to assume actually a lot of people don't understand and it's a financial concept called opportunity cost opportunity cost is the cost of doing this instead of doing that and that is a concept that you should always keep in your mind when you're playing something particularly competitive and the easiest way that i can think of is playing a moba you want to go fight that big team fight because it's cool

right but wouldn't you actually get more experience by continuing to just lane for the early game and build up your character and become stronger what if you lose that fucking team fight should you just like it is it is a variant of like discretion of the better part of valor yeah like you should try and go for what's actually what actually matters in the moment now that being said there's definitely a place in a time for rush that shit down oh yeah especially if your character has a vortex or something kill him kill him really really you know they can't hit you if they're dead yeah if you're an alforte player what do you mean to protect your life bar right i am by being all over you but um there's something that just applies to most people playing a regular character that's

not specifically geared to that type of thing if you're playing a shoto or whatever type of you know balanced uh individual yeah there's just a little thing to it so you're like the next time you might not just throw out that shoryuken you might actually go for like a just a medium punch that you can link into something because your whiffing of that punch is a way less bad than coming down from a shoryuken that's gonna put 33 or your life 33% of your life like in the fucking gutter because you just tried and you felt it in that moment you know um yeah just kind of thinking thinking to like protect your life bar was a simple thing that went like bam instant perspective change that i that helped me a lot my my favorite piece of advice on anything came

from my shop teacher in high school and uh when we're teaching us how to solder things and he wrote kiss on the board keep it simple stupid that's right yep and that's it it's like hey is this not working break it down is that not working no break it down go as dumb and as simple as it can get until it works and then when that works feel free to build on it the idea that i see people trying to fucking like they hop into fighting games like i'm gonna learn all these dope combos yeah but you can't deal with the throw mix up you can't deal with jump ends you need to learn your fundamentals you need it for anything and that's what was happening with our friend here where it's like going for the big ass sick ass combos in god hands like but struggling on fundamentals

and lastly we'll take one from um no name left uh super best friend is what they wrote it so hello uh canon consistency can fuck off hey pat labar matt zinger z and darlington in the franks not bad that's pretty good not bad that's a thumbs up y'all were a while ago we're talking about uh how there were two different series two different ways a series can approach consistency in canon the arachie way of not giving a shit if gold experience got stabbed with the arrow yeah and golden and lucas's attempts to explain the force with midichlorians every single aspect must be defined you know that kind of thing these approaches of nothing on the approach of shoji kawamori used for the macros series where nothing is canon

none of the shows movies or other adaptations or the of macros are canon instead the works are all in universe depictions of the events which took place in that universe's timeline just like how our universe we have countless stories taking place during world war two okay so they're all fictionalized accounts they're all their own thing okay the end yeah no you're right and then what's the other way to do it everything is canon the smt way of doing things every possible variant of every event is canon y'all need to watch turn a Gundam that's all i'm saying you need to watch turn a oh my god what what's the do turn a hey so like there's an attempt i'm gonna try to keep it a little bit vague but there's an attempt to make everything work oh shut up and uh fucking it's

fucking Gundam's gone in so many fucking stupid places that's dumb that's fucking dumb get turn for turn a i always thought it's got a moustache man it's turn a turn a oh man that makes me feel very stupid you thought it was turn a Gundam yeah turn the gun turn a Gundam turn a turn a turn no turn a turn turn a whoops yeah uh what are your favorite framing devices that remove a story from literal depictions of events and what are your favorite stories told through these types of framing devices uh i like myself in games in particular a good old unreliable narrator i like a story like a literal story being told i was a big fan of prince of persia it stands a time and i like it's a little cliched now but i do like you die you're like

that's not how that way that's not how it went yeah yeah um i hate that every second street fighter tournament doesn't matter uh i think that's terrible uh i'm trying to think because i'm gonna remember like the golden playhouse in like kathryn which is like it's like a fun idea but you gotta kind of a lot elaborate a bit more on it um i'm a really big fan of of the jojo timeline yeah as like yeah it's where we're following like with the main character is blood yeah yeah you know i just i really do like that it frees you up so much it's like the main character is just fucking blood that's literally it alternatively a birthmark sure i guess at a point it doesn't even matter that much yeah well it gets weird but yeah no um um um that's

you know that's that's one that i just like so much because it you're so free now i should mention the um game being told as a story it can be really good because it can fuck with the perspective and you can pull back to the real thing and it also has the potential for being the worst ever like it was in mass effect mass effect has the it's it was a story thing and it's it's the most fucking awful thing ever it's tell me again about the shepherd barf man like jesus christ that's awful there's uh moments of that that occur really sparingly in vagabond but for the most part you just follow two lives

doing their own things and uh the intersections if there are or when they when they exist you're you're like there's just they're good they're just good it's vagabond does this well um and it even does a little bit of like it fucks with time in a minute and it's you're like what what are we what are we looking at here but it does it in such an interesting way that you're like okay you're confusing me but i have faith that you're going to go somewhere good with this what you don't want to do is what fucking westworld does all right here we go all right so hey before we get into that hey woolly what's coming up on woolly versus uh near automata continues um going in deep going in heavy two bees green you wish she is i was too slow oh uh that that that hair is staying

i might go purple i might go purple we'll see what happens but uh uh yeah near news continuing um i am doing uh more Naruto with reggie um some shit that i had no fucking idea existed just something called a heavy formation i don't know what the fuck that's about but that came into be i'm like wow let's be about the aliens maybe maybe we'll find out more and um yeah and then again i'm i'm i'm nearing the finish line on secret projects okay i'm interested i'm excited all right uh what are you streaming i don't know i'll probably stream uh some more dark souls and smari too at some point this week over at angriest pat i'm also probably going to stream some bullshit with page over at peach saliva not sure what yet uh just finished off heavy rain

she beat the fucking uh uh tryptokane quick time event and then oh yeah yeah seriously wow i heard about the r1 though so same dude exactly the same yep yep i i hate exactly the same what can i say like hey there it is there it was there it is that's it and uh matt's not here right now because he's very sick but i'm certain there will be some stuff coming up on matt mcbuzzles yeah i know he just put i know they just posted a crime tina critiques mortal combat x um so oh also on the main channel godhand more detroit more tokyo mirage now depending like for real though let's get real matt's mouth is fucked up it is depending how fucked up his mouth is for how long

stuff's gonna shift over a little bit we're gonna have to discuss and find out how bad it is yeah um the the in all likelihood you're probably gonna get a little more godhand and a little less tokyo mirage for like a couple days well in the uh in the oncoming week don't get people's hopes excited listen listen hey we'll see i so wasn't my intention if that's so how hey whoa yo fun big funds that's all i gotta say big funds big biracial funds yeah i really there's a fucking post on our subreddit big old biracial funsies and it and it is like it is a post on our subreddit of a picture of some generic anime girl that is like look at this biracial filth and everyone who is not following that is just going uh what oh man good times good times that's a thing yes

you guys aren't just going on tirade here's what's going on all right i don't know how else to say this but there's a party right and that is that is the zaibatsu there's a party happening and everyone's like checking out you know there's there's detroit over here and then there's like they got over whatever and then there's a corner there's a group in the corner and we're all fucking our backs are towards everybody else and you're like what the fuck's going on over there i'm playing with my anime dolls and it's some fucking anime dolls we've been playing with in like a battle ring you know and there's money getting thrown and like roosters are coming out and they're throwing roosters in the ring with money and everyone's fucking cheering and you're

like what's going on over there and they're like don't worry about it that's the people watching tokyo mirage sessions right now that's a good we're in we're in the corner we're holding it down yeah all right um yeah that's it and uh you explain that to me once we're recording this uh big ol big ol biracial roosters in the cock fights let's let's um let's let's end it off officially while we don't want pod if you don't want spoilers for westworld season two stop listening now all right you get mad i'm gonna drain my dick dude okay just grab your break i did ah because there's just there's a lot and i guess it's gonna determine it's gonna depend on where

you want to start with this because the problem really can go back to season one if you need to but i feel like i addressed the season one problems already right i feel like when i was talking about season one i basically explained what i thought was wrong with it and how essentially we had an extremely promising start right the introduction of can and the canon can a human be human uh and the introduction of um artificial life questioning sentience questioning sapience the feelings it feels if they're programmed to feel a certain way does this actually matter versus our sense of like well are we programmed and so on and so forth does being made of flesh and blood inherently carry more significance than being mechanically programmed and the original

answer was i don't know yes that's kind of the point right um then you get to then you kind of go like all right well while we just try to discover this question or if this question even has an answer let's start looking at other aspects and you would say like all right what can we compare then if we can't just say automatically that being a robot means your feelings are valid right then can we what about special robots are you are we'll say like do the complexities of your emotions go through the same level right like you try you try to size it up in different ways i guess um season one goes along fine except mave is the character that comes along and has her magic powers and then sometimes free now uses them sometimes marcus is it but then otherwise sometimes

doesn't and then that's where you start to see some of the problems where like the way mave gets freed is based on her taking human hostages who have to under fear of their lives do what she says then punch off the clock go home have dinner take a nap wake up go back to work find mave and become hostages again oh no she's gonna get us right and everything about that entire storyline you're like oh no this falls apart the moment that um we have to consider human incompetence right that goes through and then you get to the end of the series where the end of the season where other things go down and things are here and there but for the most part it's strong and anthony hopkins is fucking strong and big strong man and and bernard is is is um doing what

he does and he finds out his problem but you know he finds out i'm a robot too but he still has his his drive and his cornerstone and the things that make him want to do his job so ultimately he's kind of learning to deal with the fact that he too has been programmed but he still feels what he feels uh and then the the gunfighting starts and then the shootbangs occur yes and then at some point a bunch of robots start a bunch of hosts break out and then the fighting happens and the dumbest part of the season finale is the fact that soldiers with automatic rifles are looking at a robot who is killing people on going put it down put the gun down plot character put it down plot armor put it down right and then just getting when it should just be hey look it's there bang bang bang

okay so now take that moment oh no that moment the single worst moment of the entire first season copy it paste it and stretch it out over 10 episodes it is literally not good the the every there is okay over the course of 10 episodes in in west world season two there is one fight with future soldiers that they win every single battle that has that has dudes in body armor and fucking vehicles like like like um um uh atv like fucking things with future guns with future guns rolling up on a bunch of people on horses with revolvers and they're getting destroyed by them and it's not that we've seen they're like oh their accuracy is better no they haven't been modified in any way we haven't seen any of that they're just normal

ass stupid fucking old school people with shitty old guns and they're fucking dying left and right to these to these old people on horseback right then you fucking get a moment where that that one where they win and they win through sheer numbers because it's a whole fort versus a bunch of again dudes coming from the bushes riding their vehicles and driving up and then a bunch of people with guns that can clearly shoot like i can stand a mile away with a sniper rifle and pick you off right i have an i have a gun that can shoot that like much more accurately because it's from the future your old style gun is pretty much made to be i have to be within a few feet of you yes they have the people with the machine guns walking forward into the range of the people

with the shit guns and then dropping dead and it makes no fucking sense the whole time so so soldiers just you eventually have certain points the soldiers in the story are no they don't mean anything yeah right it's a minor inconvenience to where their main characters have to go what the plot like there's just oh no there's soldiers there don't worry about it you know that bit in star wars uh episode one where they're about to break out all the ships and they look in and there's like a hundred fucking robots in there oh the robots yeah and they go oh there's a lot in there and and quigon goes uh won't be a problem you know that bit sure it's like oh wow so excited now for this enemy force that'll be trivial that's what you're describing what is the purpose of

having these people with their guns and their armor and their vehicles literally at the end of the season a dude shot six times with basically the barely able able to stand up riding a horse takes out soldiers on a fucking it just it makes no sense right anyway um every storyline before a mave was stupid but now every storyline gets infected with that same short sightedness so you see that problem with the guns and the whole dumb thing yeah and then you start seeing oh no the writing is not all nolan now there's other people getting involved and i don't know if it if it if it's i don't know i don't know who to attribute it to but it's not being thought out problems are not being dissected and actually presented like what would you do if you had

this ability in this moment so like you have things where at any point mave going through her problems she can literally wave her hands and make the problems go away especially when like um like like other people are like whatever the whatever's attacking her like there's so many moments where she can wave her pants and just take control of somebody or make something happen and she doesn't for whatever particular arbitrary reason they choose there's a drama in the scene and then at some point they realize we have to create the the thing that we have to ignore her we have to handicap it right mave in westworld is the problem that we've discussed about how you can't have akuma or charlie or gen or oro walking around in your story they're too strong their power

invalidates drama so there's a there's a moment where they take a completely useless detour to samurai world that results in nothing it's cool because samurais though yeah and it's fun to watch that happen and to see the same they do a look at uh it rhymes it's either there's an echo to it the there's you get to see the same saloon parlor thing happen except it's in samurai world and it's like oh look that's a cool version of that um and uh but the whole trip that they go there and they leave just fan service or whatever while they're there there's a point where it's like how do we stop mave okay the people coming up to her are literally trying to grab her mouth to stop her from barking her commands because if she speaks then she's gonna be able to take

control of them sure right uh they get to an army where they're like oh she the witch is coming or whatever she can just speak her words and everyone follows what she says and the on the army general is like ma ha i've cut off the ears of all my men so they can't hear you that's and then they do a big dramatic plan to everyone's ears that are cut off and like haha what are you gonna do now and she displayed her ability to take over people's minds anyway without saying anything so she's already getting her level up in the middle of the process so it's haha your spells are not gonna work i've cut their ears off take them away and then he continues to wait what and then he continues to bark commands to his soldiers who have their ears cut off but for some reason they

can still hear him and it like and it just completely that's the dumbest thing ever the contrivance they just created it completely ignores that in the exact moment where that happens um oh my god well that's really fucking stupid in the meantime we cut over to delores who's uh so i'm gonna assume the new man character well she's she's always was um but she now she's kill them all delores and she's riding around on her horseback and shooting everybody up and being all summer not made for the valley beyond and just whatever you never get a description as to what or why she's choosing certain people or not and you never get a description as to what or why certain robots are capable of being free quote-unquote and others are not you don't ever really know there's

implications that looking at the symbol is all it takes but then there's also the earworm of violence delights meet violent ends but there's a difference between the two and in some cases my theory is that seeing both or somewhat makes an effective but it never gets explained right whatever but the whole point of the first season is that you in order to become free you needed to go through like exhaustive amounts of suffering in order to create uh like enough experience and furthermore there's the moment of having the conversation with your inner monologue that creates that voice that you go this is me right it's a really awesome moment that happens for a delores yeah you cut to the guy that was behind delores when she had that moment that built up

who just walks up to the sign looks at the cut out of it in wood and goes i hear the voice basically and you go oh literally you can just cut past the entire season of build up that doesn't to just give him that exact moment with no struggle whatsoever that makes the whole first season not matter it may was the whole point of the whole first season so people can just arbitrarily get it sometimes but we again we don't know for sure because we don't know exactly what seeing the sign does maybe my theory to make it work is that you have to assume it's a memory that they don't actually have that when they look at it it makes them break off their programming because they're trying to remember something that isn't there isn't a part of their actual narrative

like i'm like i'm like you can excuse it away if you want to do that fine regardless she's going down her path and she's uh she literally demonstrates that by kidnapping one of the humans that work for uh the fucking company and giving him an ipad that you can walk around and you can juice people up you can turn them into gods you can do what may have did right you can straight up edit anything about yourself well yeah that that was the thing that it sounds the first thing that every aspect of their personality can be fucked around with with an ipad to the point that death doesn't matter because she demonstrates uh by going to a confederale dude she needs an army so she goes to the army leader and goes give me your army and he's like man he's just okay she kills him and then he brings

in their human slave plugs in the ipad resurrects him and goes see and then he goes oh fuck and then like ah she's a god she can do what she wants right great she reprograms teddy to become a super accurate killer assassin dude sure with the ipad and basically has the ability to nullify all of her problems by keeping this ipad around plugging it into anyone that dies and the person who mans it and bringing them back and then solving the issue like literally it's not a problem anymore right they make reference to the fact that she wants to get rid of their data copies because then because they're they're chained by having the the problem the feeling of immortality in that way and whatnot but it doesn't make sense that she would want to have her goals be to like

survive this conflict and she wouldn't exploit having fucking god mode yeah in her possession and she uses it sparingly here and there and then ultimately takes that human with the ipad and then puts them on a train and blows them up when it's her biggest single advantage over the whole season there's no purpose and then anytime someone loses or something doesn't go her away it's like oh shit oh so bad it sucks whatever but it's like you literally could have just ipadded your problems away so you're describing a story in which everyone is overpowered but they're too dumb to realize they're overpowered incompetence is the only way things move forward right we get to a point where um mave is caught and shot or whatever lying on a gurney

and she's like like oh i'm bleeding out and dying whatever and then they capture her and they try to study her brain to make her shit like work for others and to figure it out and it's like on the process of her lying on the gurney like the people that have ever tied up there unlike every other robot that gets dragged in gets pretty much a bullet in the head or you know what i mean they just get ripped open and they pull their brains out whatever she's special because she's got these powers we could assume they don't want to mess with it or whatever so she's lying open on this thing and like people that are dealing with her while they're super just treating everything else like it's a toaster yeah they're basically like oh don't you worry one day girl you're gonna get it

ooh the human just they can't wait to just kill this main character and it keeps cutting back to her being there sweating and going oh no and then this human just being like oh i can't wait to kill you whoa it's so good the person who doesn't look at her as anything more than a laptop until four or five i think four episodes go by of her lying on a table whoa fucking what that's stupid until eventually the moment comes where she juggles she has like a thing where whatever like like forward passes by and gives her a message and stuff but she's figured but the point is she's slug on the table then she finally decides i'm gonna take control of the dead bodies in this room bring them back up and kill that guy that was like oh all right i could i could do that any

i could have done it at any moment but we needed to wait till this exact point because the plot required it to happen here and not before this moment yeah that's smart um one of the most important scenes is them going down to the cradle which is where all the ai backups are and um they are basically going down there to uh uh what it like like they basically there's a moment where they're they're going down there and she's one of the robots is going to destroy it and a soldier's coming down there to stop them and whatever the fuck why don't the soldiers give a shit about their data back well it's a whole weird it's a whole fucking weird thing but the point is that they have infinite backups that they can make of themselves and so on in this in the cradle

and they have a girl down there that's her job is to go and and fucking take the place out and then oh no before she can accomplish her mission a soldier comes in and and and uh goes hey freeze don't move right but this is not just any like random host this is a sexy host it's the first blonde one that was like super attractive to william in the first season and and he's all like hey you don't move and she's all like who me and then he's like yeah and then he walks up to her with the gun and unlike the 30 random dudes that he blew shot through the 30 wrote off to get to get to this room he this one's at gunpoint because she's special and then a while he's up close pointing the gun at her he's like and she's all she's like you know you know i'm like like he goes like oh you're pretty

aren't you that you're perfect he's like yeah they designed me to be and then bat my eyelashes and flirt flirt flirt and but add add add grab your grenade and blow you up and it's like so in this moment you can see the writer's room being like oh you know what would be so poetic if the turning point here is that we see humanity in its basest form in the soldier that's about to finish the mission like he's overcome with lust and it shows you how base humans are and that the robots are so much more advanced because they tricked them and this fucking soldier who's trained to deal with this situation just gets a boner and walks down to the threat with his boner and they fail the mission because a random soldier has a fucking heart on humans are so weak there's a point that's really

there's a point it's really i desperately want to watch it now there's a point in towards the end where they're talking about the threat so i was describing this a little bit earlier about how it's like okay you have humans and you have robots and you go with the conflict between them but the humans are trying to fight for their survival but there's evil humans being shitty into or evil to the robots but the robots are slaves and they're trying to emancipate themselves huh right yeah it tells a good story um that's a conflict that is worth seeing through to the end but in the middle of it we introduce evil rich assholes that are trying to uh make themselves immortal by copying themselves into robot brains okay we've established on this podcast many times

that's not how that works but the threat of itch rich infinite asshole people yeah being immortal is so much more obviously evil and devious that throwing that in the rent is a wrench in the fucking works that just goes well obviously we hate that more than the other two so it's just a cop out where you don't have to answer the actual questions about human robots gaining sentience or gaining sapience or being worthwhile yeah because you have an easy thing to hate over here and then they spend a bunch of time focusing on that and then we get to a point where it's like also do you know what the park is for do you know what this is whatever they build up this whole thing of hinting at secret origins where it goes from being like a tease and a tease and a tease to

being like just fucking get it over with just tell me i don't care anymore almost yeah and it's like oh we were secretly copying the data of all the guests in the park so we were putting them in there we were copying them into like into a giant hard drive sure of guest data why it doesn't quite describe why but it says they're it's valuable to have a bunch of guest data okay but what are you gonna do with it right what's the point of Delos keeping all this data it's like it's valuable whatever they like why though and then there's other alternative reasons Bernard has so that puts it aside so that Dolores can learn about humans and therefore overthrow them right that's the alternative reason that this other person gives but the main corporate reason

for it is never explicitly stated and they just fucking hand wave it and go whatever okay fine it's for advertising how did you get all this data that would take a brain scan and these people were living in the park and it would take forever to do it and then there's this kind of like well this kind of like wink wink moment of literally dude pointing to his hat and then someone goes of course shut up the brain scanner was in the cowboy hats all along Pat shut up and as long as you're wearing your cowboy hat your brain scan was happening and it was transmitting your data remotely to the forge of course and that's why when William was a kid and he walked up as the first guy on the guest list and he went up the thing and the first thing they do is they

put the cowboy hat on you so that the brain scan starts immediately brain scans in the cowboy hats and we just move on we hand wave past it we move on um Dolores is fucking stupid with that shit that is one of the dumbest things I've heard you say about a story that's real bad okay so so Maeve pointless Dolores stupid uh Bernard what are you up to well um it's very clear that you're hiding something from the viewer something you've got a big twist or whatever so what we're gonna do is we're gonna make you bumble your way through the entire season where every episode literally consists of him shaking his glasses in his hands being very nervous about what's happening someone comes and pulls him one way or another whether it's Tessa Thompson

or Elsie or whoever the fuck and he's just getting dragged around for the entire season Bernard has zero agency as a character he never makes a single decision or states an opinion outside of these moments of like flashing back to him being out of control or things we don't know that is baffling considering what he was doing in season one but you know that they're setting it up to be like the reveal is that this is the truth but because they can't tell you the reveal until the final episode you just have to sit there and watch him do nothing or not have a memory not know what to do and you just he just bafflingly again he just he's on a ride that everyone's dragging him along and he has so much importance in the first season

that it's just frustrating because he does nothing he does absolutely nothing the most important person in the first season and the actions he's taking don't actually state an opinion on what he feels about what's happening he doesn't say anything of consequence he's just a zero agency on a fucking path that's going to lead to a reveal all right but until that reveal he had there's no point to the nine episodes of him so so the reveal is is that he made a decision to he had to to destroy his memory because Ford comes back inside of his brain and like because Ford converted himself into data oh sure it exists in a data version of the west world great and then eventually puts himself inside of of Bernard and Bernard's going through

the whole thing and then eventually realizes that the only way to make these timelines and the only way to make to make it out or whatever is to do some crazy ass shit and sneak the people out of the park and create what is essentially heaven for robots and then also bring back Dolores and make a clone of her by by putting her in Tessa Thompson's brain okay by killing Tessa Thompson and then making a fake Tessa Thompson so all of that basically is like I know there's gonna be a reason for this at the end of Bernard's storyline but the whole time you're wasting our time because there's nothing to lead up to it that's interesting uh the man in black you go through his entire arc of him being like I'm just a shitty old guy and I've got my family problems and uh but I really

have a dark side to me and I'm a murderer and whatever I love murder and then they build up this whole thing with him and it's actually interesting when he sees his daughter and she's coming for him and so on and you know and then like they go they're building up this whole thing where it's like okay but there's a secret about him in his profile that is going to be the reason why everyone in his family hates him like his wife hates him and why his daughter hates him and whatever but we don't know what that is yet and they build it up to be such a huge secret that's gonna be a bomb drop as if it's something we don't know and they direct the scenes around us not knowing there's a mystical key card that has all the secrets he's holding back and his

and his wife hates him and she lashes out at him because it's like she knows something about him you know but like that she doesn't say and and and she's like yeah you're just a liar or whatever but the but the but the the story is not telling us what it is and then it turns out that the big secret is on the recording it's like oh yeah you were an asshole back in the past you just you treated people like shit it's like oh yeah the thing we knew already wait what so to find that so in the first season he's blowing he's shooting innocent people and doing all this horrible stuff yeah and we know that and then later on they build up a whole story around his family not knowing about him but also like what hating him for a reason no but like the reason is they're

mad that he acts like a dick in Westworld yes and are you fucking serious and they make it seem as if it's a thing that's going to be a huge bomb drop when it's just a thing we already what you watch it's the only thing that's there about him and then it just built and so the only thing you know about his entire character so then it just it's all for nothing all this build up is nothing great okay perfect um now the reason why i don't understand the now and by the way um one of the one of the like there's a real there's a great character in the show that is the guy that wrote maves um uh story right the the guy with the british accent that's like a cocky jerk and he fucking like he's like going through the whole park and going like i don't know anything about this

shit you stupid robots i just read the stories yeah and he gets pulled along for the ride and then eventually he starts caring for maven then goes through this whole thing and it's like he and then he starts believing in the plight of the robots because him along with the asian guy in the red head that got like strung along the whole time we're just forced into this thing and they have like zero lines by the way but whatever they're going along with the rest of the fucking the goof troop and like it gets to a point where they're finally going towards the big valley sacrifice the big valley moment and then this guy in his thing of caring decides to sacrifice himself in this big blaze of glory that like they set it up but it just it's just out of character with it

like it it we i get that he changes but it seems like such a non-practical move to make where this guy stands up and goes i'm gonna fight the humans for you as a human you robots go on to make it i'll be the sacrifice and then so he stands up to go fight the get to hold back the guards or whatever and then the guards that are there are like sir please stop we don't want to shoot you sir what's not you are after sir and he's like i'm doing he's doing his big final speech and he's doing like i and he's he's going up and yeah and the guards are like sir just stop you don't like you don't actually none of this actually we can just take you in just put the gun down and he's going off on it and then the guy they get away he makes enough time

for them to get away and then like they just fucking shoot him and he goes ah i'm in his blaze of glory moment but it's like the most pathetic blaze of glory for no actual reason because he stalled for time and that kind of character would probably have just been like okay whatever i'm going you just stall for time by distracting them and then let them take you in and then that not a bit but it's just it's a weird moment now the reason now all of that combined is just fucking horseshit but and there's more that i i like i i you know skimmed or skipped over yeah like like you know there's one point where uh well here's the thing the reason why this hurts and the reason why this fucking sucks is because just like the first season there's some brilliant

moments that are legitimately cool that fucking raise your expectations or get your hopes in a place where like if you just steer this way you can maybe fix this yeah at no point every time it steers off course you're like oh but you can turn it back a little bit and then it just no um one of those moments is uh in a scene where um you you you have uh james delos the the the old asshole founder guy that basically uh is like it's you it's basically anytime they do black mirror things yeah so this guy so he's like his whole thing was like oh he he he'd love to live forever or live forever or whatever and at some point we just cut and leave that alone and then at some point we wake up and we see him in a nice clean room and he's going through this whole thing

where he's he's he's living rich and his fancy apartment and then young william comes in and talks to him and then they go through this whole process where like in his interview and in him talking to him like eventually he starts having these moments of like having a bit of like memory loss and mental breakdown and stuff and things are just not adding up and then in the process of the conversation the the old man realizes that he is a copy of the original old man yeah and that this is just a test for fidelity and the problem is that the copies keep breaking down after a few moments of awakening into a human body right so it's an interesting moment that is like okay this is a thing and they run through tons of tests yeah and then they're like oh this one fails and then

they incinerate it and then start from scratch right a lot things like that that are legitimately interesting again samurai world is cool for what it is if you ignore the fact that it's just fan service and has no bearing on the plot but then later on they do a better version of that where they spend an entire episode with um then the you know the ghost nation people like the natives that are like like in the in the all white um thing uh body paint there's an episode about them and it's all in a native ghost nation language and it's um ghost nation whatever i it's a type of native language i don't know the name of it but they spend the entire episode in that language and it's awesome and it describes what the fuck they were doing the whole time yeah the

significance of them and why their story matters in the grand scheme of things and it's really good and it has really important bearing on the plot so it wasn't just samurai world fucking go off and have samurai dick adventures and come back there's actually a really good thing where you can go and change the camera perspective to another culture follow this whole thing around and then have it have significance unlike like when we jumped over to Raj world for a minute where it's like hey there's a whole other park where they're hunting tigers and doing like um like Maharaja stuff and we just ignore it and we leave it alone we just drop the hint that it's there and then i have a serious issue with the idea that the other parks are actively running while west world

is on fire and you have to assume oh and then when they go to samurai world samurai world is infected too okay and but you have to assume that when they get through to showing you these other parks that there's complex stories happening just as involved as west worlds yeah but whatever right so be it um uh what was i saying about um yeah so ghost nation does their story and there's a moment in that where again that's a good episode focusing on why the native characters in the background did what they do and and what their whole role is what are they up to um literally there's basically a dude so that one of the the native guys that basically uh starts having moments where he see like he starts to think what's happening why can why is this feel wrong like

i've had this lover and then i got replaced and i've seen her and it feels like i know my lover from another lifetime but brah and then he hears gunshots and he walks up and then the moment delores shoots arnold it has her a moment and shoots herself he walks in right behind her sees the maze and goes oh and has that awakening moment and then goes back and starts carving the maze everywhere so that everyone can see it okay and then he is the background maze guy that's teaching about that and going we are all from another life in place and i guess that somehow allows him to no longer they don't explain it but it's like suddenly he can see the tech of like things where you should say that no that doesn't look like anything to me yeah suddenly he can see the doors and the

people and whatever and so he's just telling other people about it right okay um at one point he dies and then gets put inside and then they go what the fuck because he knew that in seeing all this and trying to survive he's one of the first models ever used he was used in fact and brought out into the outside world and to entice investors in and shit so he's one of the first guys ever and he never died and got reset so he's running on old code and when he goes in they go this guy's never been brought in in like fucking 10 years what the shit and they go uh just fucking put him back in whatever you know and they go okay they're like oh but it's going to take long to do an update what's going to be like four hours yeah all right we'll go do lunch and then we'll get back to it fine

and because he's awake and he goes ah i'm awake i'm not actually asleep and then he gets off and he sneaks around yes he sneaks out of the office and people are on their lunch break yes he walks into the old west world but um there's and there's no one there so it's fine but he makes it all the way down to the storage facility the cold room where all the bodies are without anyone seeing him in the entire company with no security cameras whatsoever he makes it all the way down there in his fucking full paint and everything weapons and knife in hand and finds his lover in the bodies and then goes oh i understand and then goes back up to the operating table and then goes back in you have to assume complete human incompetence for his story to make sense but whatever and then

eventually he runs into ford in the middle of the park in one night carving looking for those symbols and then he goes oh shit you figured out a bunch of stuff huh and he's like yeah sure did and he's like you're interesting all right keep doing your thing and by the way at some point like delores is going to be an asshole when that happens take your people and go to the valley great sure cool and so that's his role the actual thing with the valley again so they're cool and the thing with the valley is like there's a place where um they create like robo heaven if you would and it's really interesting because i'm like you're black mirroring but except not as good and they go to a thing where they're like okay so this world is sucks and everything shitty and

you'll never be free and so on so a world that essentially it looks like the place where i proposed exactly actually like literally idyllic mountains and fields and they create this thing that creates a fissure in the sky that is an opening in reality that only the the hosts can see okay and it's by a cliff side and they have to walk on a pilgrimage up to this cliff side and literally go into it and it creates this moment where and it looks kind of shitty in cg but the idea is cool when you see they run towards this fissure in reality and their body drops off the cliff but immediately gets copied in code into heaven and then they look around and go yay i'm here i'm in heaven but the body drops off the cliff right that's that's the soma problem again that's not

so they didn't go to heaven they died and a copy of them went to heaven so they're ran so everyone's running into heaven why does no one writing anything understand or understand how that works it's fucking so infuriating your copy is not you transferring it's just a copy it's not you it's another person anyway your data anyway so they let that rock it's a dumbest man they let that rock and then while the the they're going in and everyone's going to have whose plan is that that is basically bernard slash arnold's oh we're gonna genocide all the robots to make them happy they're gonna have their heaven though and then but then delores is like no i'm gonna flood it kill them all they're they're in another prison so

fuck them anyway like regardless like the specifics are dumber and don't don't even matter but they're doing that thing and while everyone's piling into the heaven right um they copied maves power and they put it into one of the other robots and then they sent her out to be a bad guy right so the humans are now here's the thing they've taken maves power they made it so that she can control others infect them and make them basically zombies that force them to kill each other and they're the plan is to send her out into the crowd and make her disrupt and shut down all the the infected robots or whatever they are soldiers with their guns and they're fucking atvs rolling out into the desert and they take the one that they've put the powers into and they put her on a horse so that

she's the horseman of the apocalypse in its visual and she's riding in a white dress and the vehicles are driving behind it at a slow horse pace as they race to get to the place they need to at one horsepower with their vehicles for what reason because it's poetic and then tessa Thompson looks at the camera after we see the horse and with the girl and we know what it is and goes i love efficiency why i need for you don't need horse for why need you force her man what's the point of four horsemen when you only need one and she rides her slow dramatic horse into the crowd and causes chaos to happen when they could have just put her in the vehicle and sped up and rolled over everyone or just had her yell out the window but no it's more dramatic

when she's on a horse and we're driving behind that horse in our slow vehicles for special dramatic effect and they show you the slow horsewalk by the way it takes a while to get over the ridge um at one point a bunch of heroes on horses out ride a bunch of those vehicles trying to catch up that stuff with their vehicles by the way and then we cut away and then we cut back and though he and the people on horses have had time to dismount and create a stronghold as the as the van the cars arrive that's behind them there's no consistency in this at any point like even consistency with reality the piano covers of modern music are cool i guess and the intro was implying things that i was like waiting for and then they don't happen and i'm like there's because the intro of

season two adds some shit and like where's all this shit that yours the first season was chock full of stuff that you see as you go through the first one yeah because they have a bunch of shit and they have the piano is back and the piano becomes automated and it's the best fucking shot i love the self-playing piano so much it's such a good idea and then they show you a digital rather a synthesized baby being written into a mother's hands and i'm like row birth and it doesn't happen no and then they show you a a a a a a a buffalo falling out of a glass thing and just falling and then they show you a cowboy hat and i'm like what's the point of all of this nothing isn't and then the second to last episode they point at the fucking cowboy hats

and it falls into the water which is where they fall after they fall into the valley and go to heaven and then and then halfway through the last episode the buffaloes fall through the thing because mave takes control of a bunch of buffaloes and rushes the humans with them and then you go oh there's all the there's all the things but row birth never happens though there's a great moment again where just like the i don't know where to put my feelings moments with david cage you have the man in black is being played along for a game because ford in his afterlife digital form is like fucking with him and making him play along inside the park and torturing him in all these weird ways and his daughter i well he because he they they have

beef with each other he just treats him like shit or whatever and they don't quite fully explain their beef but it's just kind of like ideal differences and also whatever your shitty to these robots that i care about i guess um and so while he's fucking with him um his event like ford's daughter of not ford william's daughter is looking for him to pull him out of the park in school like stopping an asshole come be a dad and they have their ongoing conflict and eventually he's like you're just part of ford's game raw fuck you and he and like when they go to extract him he grabs one of the dudes one of the machine guns and offs all the soldiers and then offs his own daughter and then he goes aye you're never gonna fucking get me ford and then she's

holding like a thing that only she would have if she was his real daughter and he goes oh and it's a like a nice like you fucked up moment you're goddamn fool and he's and this is also oh my god i forgot by the way yeah he's been everyone robots by the way take shots to this chest no problem go down all right they go down okay at one point delores however doesn't because she's got so much will and power that she can just take a bunch of them and she's fine but every other robot oh fall over this dude william the man in black takes six shots to the body arm arm leg leg body body goes down eventually gets his fingers blown off to drags himself around dying and manages to not only be fine but shoots armed soldiers with machine guns no problem um and then he so and then he

drags himself into a field after he shoots his daughter and then he's like i don't know what's real anymore and he has this breakdown fucking moment of like cutting his arm open to try and find the plug because he's like i gotta is am i even what's happening anymore like it's it's a dark fucking thing and it's interesting that they go there with that and then you just cut to a post credit sequence after the whole show wraps up where at some point in what must be i guess the distant future he goes down an elevator shaft which is where we last left him off but it was during the past because i forgot they're doing timeline fuckery this whole thing by the way they're jumping back and forth but in a whole in the shittiest possible way because it's the

timeline is basically like two days apart and it's just bernard's memory but also they create a second future at one point and then close the loop there so they just make it really hard to follow but anyway um he goes down this fucking elevator shaft and then sees his daughter and she goes hello william come this way and basically puts him in the same room that the old man was in when they were checking for fidelity and they imply that they've made a copy of him and that he's going to suffer the same fate or whatever the fuck and it just kind of ruins the moment that you set up with this guy anyway because the tension of him being that paranoid is torture enough all right sorry that sounds great that sounds really great that's a must watch

probably one of the best scenes is if i'm gonna just wrap it up with the best one is um the the man who made the park james delos has a scene where his his fucking william got all that power because he became the guy that like the owner cares about more than his own son because his own son is a fucking druggy asshole you remember you remember that sure the guy who at the end of the first one he gets put on the naked horse and set up yeah so that guy just becomes a fucking drug addict and drop out waste whatever um and like when he's when he's like at the fucking worst worst worst they come they talk about how every copy they've made of james delos always comes back to this pivotal moment no matter what no matter how they try to edit him he can go insane he can be perfectly

harmless but they always come back to his defining moment and it's just a scene that's just a really nicely played out sad moment of his sad his son being at the bottom being like desperate and not having anything and him being like get the fuck out of here you junkie you know and it's just that it's a really well played out moment where he's like he's like get clean and then you'll we'll talk and he's like i did and then you told me to fucking you said it wouldn't wouldn't last and he's like and it didn't it's just like oh that's a shitty thing right and then he gives in this nice speech but his son does and then like he's just kind of about how bad he is and then or how low how low he feels rather and then he like pretty much dies offscreen like it's

like a few months later like he just ods and that's the end of it and when dude loses his mind he starts going back to that moment and like he starts saying the same words in a different way and it's a really interesting connecting moment that is like that's that again that uh uh beyond two souls thing where you're like this in itself is so strong it fucking sucks that it's trapped in this it's held up by fucking straw and that in is that's the whole season it's just so many good ideas that occasionally flicker in and out wrapped around and held up by straw and any conflict has to be just completely fucking negated because super future soldiers have nothing on a cowboy with a six shooter well they don't i'm exhausted all right how long was that

we're coming up on a five and a half hour product oh my god i'm sorry i'm sorry i didn't mean to hold you in this long guys this show fucking sucks sorry four and a half hour podcast four and a and it sucks because it has good shit i'll see you later see you oh me vengeance the yeah

yeah yeah yeah i'm a wildfire you take not even my tip again but i'm a flame there's no way that you can take this swim inside me i'm a bomb you can't refuse i would just accept you're gonna lose can't turn down i refuse you won't make any more yeah right

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