Castle Super Beast - SBFC 267: Juggalos in Jerusalem

Episode Date: October 9, 2018

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Starting point is 00:00:00 How's it going y'all? Oh, we're live. We are live. Oh boy. Hey everyone. We should give thanks that we're so live. Yes. And alive. Canadian thanks though. Specifically Canadian. Well, our thanks would be Canadian. Thanks. Not, not American. Thanks. No, no, we will not thank them. So sorry. No, I lost the thread of what this holiday was about. Well, I don't it's a holiday that only exists in our country in our minds really. Well, no, I mean, all holidays only exist in your mind if you really I know Christmas is something happened. I don't know what like the sun goes around and then and then I mean the sun stays still we go around the sun. And you know, no, the planet turns and then the day happens and
Starting point is 00:01:00 then nothing special about it. But it's the thought that makes it all Halloween shit happens during that like midnight between the hotel, the convergence. Yeah, you don't know about the convergence, the Flat Earth disk. You talking about unification around what okay. No, your mom didn't teach you about unification. No, no, I didn't learn about that. Oh, that wasn't I missed that Bible study when the moon comes down and we all become a flesh creature. You know how it is, it's going to be hype because no one will be more attractive than anyone else. And we'll all get a fair yeah, but you know what's going to happen? There's going to be one side of the flesh abomination that has slightly more attractive people in it and they have pools too
Starting point is 00:01:41 on that side. I like how I like how Thanksgiving had an ounce of a conversation start and then immediately got sort of talking about the weather on a date. Like it's the biking. It's a little biker on the path and then Matt's Halloween bus just ran over it. Well, that's that's the main fuck you you're in the wrong month, bitch. That's the main issue with Canadian Thanksgiving is it's fucking lame compared to Halloween. But also when your whole life is Halloween, what is October? It's it's it's a lot to say your whole life. It's your biggest work week ever. But it's basically your whole life, though. It's really I want it to be, but it's really not. Okay. How do you put a label, Willie, on a lifestyle? How do you put it? You know, it's easy. You just
Starting point is 00:02:29 use a label maker. You're done. The poets of our time did did in fact pose this question. Yeah. And then there is no answer. There is no answer. We'll have to leave it at that. The audacity of this bitch. Is there an answer to the question? Did you have a week? I probably most of my week can just be like thrown off to Pat. And then we and I yeah, me and him actually have a lot of a lot of a coexistence. I will say that I might I might have depending on what you did. I seriously doubt it. It's fine. I did see Venom though. I can jump in on that. There you go. That's good. I might be seeing it later today. I'm not. Willie. Yeah. Terrible villain. Poor, poor love story and love interest. Very shaky and suspect
Starting point is 00:03:26 dialogue. Bad action scenes. Well, like poor action scenes. I like the movie quite a bit. Mm hmm. Quite a bit. Quite a bit. Okay. And I and I'm going to assume that's because of Venom because any like I will make a Simpsons reference here. Yeah. The first 30 minutes of this movie is when are they going to get to the fireworks factory? Yes. Because it's a difficult 30 35 minutes. I was like, I kind of want to get up and go. This is bad. And then the fireworks factory happens. And I'm like, Hey, we're rolling into hot. Hey, this is a pre MCU movie. I'm having fun with how stupid this is. So a stupid do we dare devil shows up. I'm going to say like Ghost Rider. Oh, that's okay. So that's your your impression. My impression is okay,
Starting point is 00:04:28 the pre MCU label is 1000% accurate. It really does feel like a movie before the phases started. It feels like it was a movie from that weird superhero identity, like that meteor man phase. If you would. Ghost Rider is my closest thing. Sure. And I mean, Ang Lee's Hulk even, you know, like I see more like Edward Norton's Hulk, even though that was technically that was MCU. It felt a lot like that where it's like, I don't care when you're just walking around. But I care when you're the guy, the film itself, technically, dude. Okay, here's how it goes. Eddie Brock and Venom. Yeah. Everything that's not them is a train wreck. It is. It is. It is a fucking sparks flying down the rails wreck. But the wreck continues to move down the track. Yeah, like like the trains
Starting point is 00:05:31 collide and roll over and are upside down and on fire. But they're still getting to their destination in a pile of smoke and brimstone and the conductor for one of these trains is Venom and a little conductor hat and he's trying and he's driving it going. And that's the thing. Like he's like, he's on the fucking truck in the truck. Exactly. Now, if we could take this Eddie Brock and Venom and just erase the world around them and pick them up and put them somewhere else, somewhere closer to Spider-Man anywhere, honestly, literally anywhere that is not their world, it would be great. Well, look at me. I've never been more furious than seeing Stan Lee in a movie ever. You had nothing to do with this character. Nothing. It's just they were smart enough to
Starting point is 00:06:21 never put him in a Punisher movie because he had fucking fuck all to do with the fucking punisher. That doesn't matter. He's he's duty is about to die. They're just doing it. He wasn't in the Daredevil show. There just wasn't. It's true. But he wasn't going to die then. They're just doing it like this. Furious. He was in the Spider-Man game. Man, does fucking Tony Hardy make out with that symbiote real hard. I was very just we won't go into exactly what that is. I'm getting confused. I got a very different version of that where someone's like this happens and I'm like cool. And then I'm like, eh, you kind of it's not as cool as I thought. I figured that's what everybody liked the movie for because everybody liked the fish sex movie because they had the fish sex.
Starting point is 00:07:05 It is. It is all right. It's pretty good. But I always assumed it was like anyway. So you you it feels like he had fun playing Eddie Brock. I don't it feels like this feels like an early Jim Carrey performance where he's just kind of bumbling around the scenic right going, oh man, I'm trying to be my character. But your character sucks at life. And Eddie Brock is like, oh, and he's and he's just bumblekanging from one scene into the other. Right. And his life's a mess. And it's all his fault. And it's just like and they even like they even go out of their way to like distance themselves physically from not just Spider-Man, but from New York City entirely. Right. Exactly. That's fine because a lethal protector limited series, which is a lot
Starting point is 00:07:55 of this comes from he did move there. But he moved there because I'm like, I'm just going to go like he's literally I'm going to distance myself from Spider-Man. Yeah. We have a truce now. Yeah. I'm going to be like, and there's and there's even a throwaway line addressing it, you know, but like the incident that happened at the glow. They ran they ran you out. You know, I when you said like he's a he's a bumblekanging, he's a loser. I won't say exactly what it was. But like Venom itself, the symbiote has a line that I'm like, OK, that's fucking money where Venom calls Eddie Brock a loser. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's good. And he goes on to say something. I'm like, that's that's worth the market movie. The marketing
Starting point is 00:08:34 campaign could have done a much better job. Like tell what tell you what you were in for really the marketing campaign defined by some of the worst trailers ever. They could have sold it a lot harder if they established like I'd say two things, right? One being it's a buddy cop comedy that vibe that vibe that dynamic that the two have where the fun is is where the fun is exactly. And they didn't sell that in any way. So I think there was one trailer where they got like 10 seconds of Venom talking to because it feels like the renders were still being done, you know, like, but they didn't they didn't push the buddy cop vibe of it enough. And they didn't push the fact that obviously of the buddy cop duo. Venom is not just the bad cop. He's like an asshole.
Starting point is 00:09:25 But like he's and it's not what you it's a lot of like the straight man versus the the joke man. It's it's a they they give Venom a personality effectively, you know, so he's Tim Allen in home improvement. No, but who's the other guy? So Brock is Brock is Richard Karn. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Al versus Tim. And Tim's all like more power and then he runs over Wilson. No, because the because that's the problem is someone follow me on this. I know what you're talking about. But no, because the Eddie Brock is like, he's kind of pushed us like a Shane Smith, right? They make him kind of like a vice reporter. Yeah, on the ground doing his doing his job report. The rock report. Yeah, he's and he's already like he already would be a jerk compared to
Starting point is 00:10:12 like someone who's much more straight laced. Yeah. Right. But obviously tells him whatever you do, Eddie, don't fucking do this during the job I'm giving you. And the first thing he does is do this. And the guy's like, why did you do that? Now, why are you such a bad reporter? Eddie? Okay. Why do you talk with that horrible accent? Matt, can we talk worst superhero movie villains list? Oh, fun, fun, fun. All right. What do you got? What do you got up there? Okay. A black heart, who is the coolest guy visually ever in Ghost Rider, okay, really up there. Ronan the accuser, not great. Whoever the fuck the villain was in Justice League. I don't remember. The accuser was a thing that I found to be like he's a really
Starting point is 00:11:06 straight laced ridiculous bland kind of thing. Yeah. But when you see where that movie goes to play off of him specifically for the end of Guardians One, I think it works really well having him be that well plus they can do more with him because he's going to be in Captain Marvel. So the punchline of Guardians One needed him to be that character. You know what? For it to work. You've turned me around. There you go. It was a it was a fucking hour and a half but set up to a punchline. I'm gonna say like Daredevil, the movie's bullseye is just fucking awful. Okay, Colin Farrell bullseye is just way up there. He's super awful, but he's a thing though. Yo, yo, who's got who's got now can I get Steppenwolf? That's the mention he got the name.
Starting point is 00:11:50 He's got from Justice League and you didn't know you didn't get it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Right. Um, uh, uh, um, so the doomsday in man versus seal dead pool from superman pull from Wolverine Origins. Yeah, he's the main villain, I guess. Uh, uh, fuck. Yeah, doomsday. Um, um, uh, tofer grace. Yeah. Tofer grace. Right. Big awful. Electro. Yeah. Jamie Foxx Electro. I already don't like comic book Electro. Yeah, it's pretty terrible. I like shocker. Yeah. Well, I hated Electro until last night. Until last night. Hey, but, but, uh, um, well, okay. Yeah, we got, well, okay. Oh, but I astane, right? And then, uh, what's his name? Oh, Matt Milkinson and Dr. Strange, whatever he was. Oh, yeah. His name
Starting point is 00:12:52 was Caecilius. Yeah. Evil Dr. Strange. But what about Kevin Nash though? And, and, and I shut up. No, John Travolta in that movie. I was trying to remember Howard Saint. Yeah. So those are all pretty bad. Yes. Yeah. Power gap. Yeah. Power fucking gap. Yeah. Life foundation. Carlton Drake. Number one. Just all time. Just all time. Just boring. There is nothing like, oh, you'll hate horrible in acting. Yeah. In motivation. In just appearance in every, every aspect. The music that plays when he shows up is the worst. It, he is absolutely the single worst. And it holy. Well, they had an interview where they're like, we purposely made him bad to make the Stinger seems even better. That's the Stinger at the end. That's absurd. Not purposely
Starting point is 00:13:55 made him bad, but they're like, we wanted the Stinger to be the main villain. But they're like, no, let's hold off on that. So what can we cobble together as a shit replacement, but still get a bit of what that entails. So future fight. We tagged our movie on purpose to make this trailer. So the worst part is, I didn't give a shit. And I'm like, Hey, Matt, what's the Stinger? And he told me and I went, Oh, I'm seeing that. Yeah. Period. Done. In any case, so that it was the, it was the right decision to do. Holy fuck was that bad. And as a result, the whole, and here's the problem, right? Like Drake, he's awful, but he's also like the all influencing super rich. I'm Tony Stark of this world. No, but what about the guy in the movie though? Not the singer.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Anyway, the fact that he's all influencing in the world means everything that's not Eddie Brock is Drake or his influence. We're cutting back to him every five seconds. Walking around in a lab looking at camera footage going, Oh, where's my symbiote? My symbiote, right? Which is weird. They redubbed it. They redubbed it. In the first trailer, they had them say, we call them symbiotes and everyone lost their shit. And they fucking 80 yarded like an English actor. So I don't know. But everyone says he's just some brown guy. And that's terrible. That's a real word that has been used prior to comics. I don't think it's an act. I don't think it's an accent thing. I think they just wrote fluff. They just had it read that way. And then how does everyone in on the set of the
Starting point is 00:15:39 fucking line just go? Oh, yeah, symbiote. Yeah, whatever. Watch the Spider-Man cartoons where they say symbiote. Sikamoto. That was on purpose. Yeah, for some reason. That's baffling. That being said, I still had a fun time overall. One person is always like, I loved it. Like, but I loved all the Venom stuff. So that was so overpowering that I don't care about everything else. Well, the reason why the train wreck never stopped moving was because I kept laughing. Yeah, you know, like I thoroughly chortled all the way to the audience seem to agree with both of you, right? Venom is probably going to be a success. It made $200 million worldwide over one weekend on a hundred million dollar budget made 80 million in America. That's so pretty fucking good. It broke the records
Starting point is 00:16:30 for October releases. I'm really happy because I want to see the sequel. This is like one of those things where I'm like, oh, but the movie's there. The movie is there. But like, whatever it is, Sony, like Columbia Pictures, just going, no, dial it back or or whatever it is, or let's put all this shit stuff in it around the character. But the director of Zombieland made all the Venom stuff. Let me ask you a question. I feel like Tom's going to come in, go and you want me back. They absolutely you fucking pay a lot. Venom said this will absolutely happen. Pay a lot. It's a matter of when not if I have a question for both of y'all from your complaints. Say you remove the bad villain and with the bad actor and replace them with a better villain with a better actor.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Don't have any origin anymore. So you get to have Venom from the very beginning of the movie. How much does that movie improve? The world still sucks. Yeah, the world is the world still sucks because it's not an MCU world. And like, like, think about, think about, think about no more heroes and how the world sucks. Oh, it's the worst. And you're like, no matter, there's a cool guy hanging out over there, you can go kill. But to get there, you got to go through a really shitty world. No, you don't get it, man. That's on purpose. This is daily grind or whatever. Maybe it's just that was the worst interview. You know what? Maybe it's just San Francisco. Maybe just San Francisco sucks. I don't know. But he has crazy weird stuff that nobody else has.
Starting point is 00:17:58 So yeah, that should be a fun city, but it wasn't very fun. Does Venom have a zany web based car chase down that little? He sure does. And then that the thing where all the sitcom houses are the hell is it? That was a joke. The hell with the sitcom houses on them. Joe, they totally car chase through the sitcom house neighborhood. There's one moment that's any and then it was just a standard car chase. Absolutely. But here we go venom verse. So remember the Michael Morbius movie is being made. Like we talked about this, that's the next step in the venom verse. But that and that's Sony that is not that is still something else. Yeah, the whole sinister six are owned by them fucked up and they didn't think you're going to pull six movies off with this.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Are they going to go for six? No, I think they meant one. And Morbius is not one of them. So the sinister sticks would never let more they close the clubhouse door and say no more. We'd rather let losers like score a shocker and scorpion in here. Get out of here. I mean, if we're after the after all of the credits, I saw two stingers. Okay, I saw the there's this the post credit stinger. Yeah. And then they just threw in a trailer for enter the spider. Not that wasn't a trailer. It was a seat. That was like a three minute long scene that got more applause than all of venom. Well, my audience was completely confused by it because they were like, what is this? Why is it showing? What spider man spider verse is like
Starting point is 00:19:37 another Sony thing. Like we got it. They're pushing it hard because it's because everyone's eye but is it not straight to video? No, no, it's a cinematic theater release December, like, okay, Christmas, December 14, August 8. And so they pushed it and it came up and they had this whole scene from it. But then at the end, it just says to be continued to everyone just went and walked out because it doesn't say what the name of the thing was. It literally doesn't tell you what you're watching. And it's confusing to the people in the movie theater because none of them know what spider man because venom didn't tell them what spider man. Of course not. There is no spider man in this for us. Spider man. Why would there be a spider man trailer at the end of
Starting point is 00:20:16 this venom movie? Venom doesn't have anything to do. He doesn't have there's an empty spot on his chest looks from what I've seen of the trailers. It looks really bad. Like his design looks really stupid. No, I like it. You can see it very well, but it's a bunch of white veins. And there is comical versions of venom that never had the white spider ultimate venom. I never had the white spider. I think that that logo is the coolest thing. It's super cool. It's super cool. Don't get me wrong. But they've made probably like eight to however many digit figure they've made a bank roll off of just selling shirts and sweaters and fucking white features with like venom stuff, like on because that that logo is fucking cash money. It's better than spider man's logo. It's
Starting point is 00:21:00 cash money. Yeah. I mean, it was spider man's logo for a while, but well, you know what I mean. It is better like spider man when he switched back should have kept that that spider does venom at one point say to Eddie Brock that wasn't very cash money if you I mean it's just in Sony is currently casting for the Craven movie. By the way, who's he going to hunt spider? Maybe venom. That's stupid. Why not venom? So the weirdest thing about that. I mean, first of all, like when I when I hear of a Morbius movie, I go is this a is this a secret reason to bring back blade? Yeah, maybe because they always tie in Sony doesn't own blade though. Yeah, well, and the other thing is when you drop another name and you go Craven, it's like why why are they
Starting point is 00:21:52 ignoring I guess because they really realize that the sinister six do like not make that much sense without spider man. It'd be really hard to sell only formed to kill spider. So it would be really hard if not impossible to sell the idea of like, yeah, rhino and vulture and all the crew without Spider-Man involved. The only guy you could really spin off a movie because he played a hero for a long time. He had spin offs. So Craven and Morbius is a very direct avoidance of Spider-Man and his rogues gallery or gallery, you know, because it's weird. It's like Craven's super intimate with Spider-Man, but for like only like, like Craven's last hunt, like the big epic storyline, and then let's like they don't use him. But he's not tied in with the other like,
Starting point is 00:22:36 very long wolf. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes he gets hired or whatever. And there's that one time when Peter Parker became the Craven, which is yeah, I saw that panel. That confused me. The fuck that was Scorpion only existed because J. Joe Jameson paid some asshole to put on the suit to kill Spider-Man. That's it. Yeah. His entire origin story is I, I hate Spider-Man kill spider man also. Also make a J. Joe Jameson spin off movie. I watch it right now. Here's the other thing. Here's the other thing that Senator Six, whatever they do with that, if they wanted to do something, Vulture just got used and was and and homecoming killed it. Like yeah. So you what are you going to do? Make another version of Vulture exclusive homecoming. They already mentioned that Scorpion
Starting point is 00:23:25 is also in that. Yeah, it's true. Matt Gargan. So they already took in shockers in that movie. Okay. So there you can't. They've already used a bunch of them in the next one. And he's occasionally so there's no signature sixes that is already taken and they're doing it good. Yeah. So I saw Venom. I watched the first two episodes of Rise of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yes. I like that, but it's still kind of awkward because it's like, yeah, Raph's the leader, but he's not really and his turtles, but he's not really because he's also kind of an every they're all idiots. But he's bigger than them. And why not eat other three? I'm not sure why they're going for this because some people said maybe they're going to transition
Starting point is 00:24:12 to Leonardo at some point because Leonardo, I guess, is the most competent, but he's also kind of weirdly the most jokie. Everyone kind of feels the same in this show. Oh, wonderful. No one really in a good way where everyone's entertaining. But Donatello is kind of like also stand out. It was like Mikey was actually kind of just there. And it moves very fast. It has a very, very fast for children's attention spans. Does Michelangelo lose his identity when everyone else is funny? Kind of. Damn, son. Oh, shit, your character. He still feels like the youngest. Oh, no. Do you have Rachel the horn? Rachel? Yeah, Rachel the horn dog on? No. No, he doesn't. You stopped that name in a weird place. No.
Starting point is 00:25:01 April. April. That's a fucking name. Well, April's like, you sure it wasn't Rachel the whore? April's like eight years old. Rachel horn dog. What the fuck is wrong with anyway? When everyone's the class clown, no one is. I mean, every single person jokes around like there's not a serious guy. There were some legit jokes. I'm like, that's that's pretty fucking funny. The animation is good, but it just felt weird because it's sort of like not an origin story. They're like, hey, we're the new guys on the block. We're just checking things out. What's going on? And right off the bat, new villain, no shredder, no nothing, which is fine because it's like a new shredder. Yeah, a new world, a new thing. So it's like a mystical like realm underneath
Starting point is 00:25:55 New York and there's this big bad that lives there. He's pretty all right. I was kind of surprised because it's like sort of he's like just ancient guy. I hate splinter in this thing. He's like this fat, like couch potato, which is different. I'll give it that. But the splinter in the CG Ninja Turtles is the coolest splinter where he's like seven feet tall. And he's like the most ancient master of all. Like he jokes too. But I really like that splinter. This one is gross. Can't fight. He can but he whips it out. He's very Mr. Miyagi, even more so than original splinter where he's like he looks very unassuming. But is he closer to his rat like heritage and that he's gross now? He's very gross. So wait, wasn't I'm trying to wasn't the art style for him
Starting point is 00:26:42 like also like a little like Dexter Gremlin shape thing? Yeah, I remember the I remember that now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So I need to watch some more of it. But I did I didn't enjoy what I watched. TMNT is one of those things where I'm like, Are you continuing? I'm happy then. I don't care how different it is from what I used to know. I'm glad future generations can have one of the ninja turtles that is being prepared for them. What if it's really bad? Does it exist? Yeah, I don't mind. It's quite a but TMNT is the only thing I'll give that to that's a franchise that's going to keep coming out for the kids. I mean, Christ, it was there when we were kids and it's still coming out for the kids now. So it might as well be fucking forever. Yeah, it's the Looney
Starting point is 00:27:26 Toons now. And I mean, you know, lots of other stuff, whatever, but like, yeah, played like almost 20 hours of Assassin's Creed Odyssey, which is what I was leading to before. I have not played that many hours of it because Leanna is the one that is actually doing all the heavy lifting on that doing all the side quests, whatever. And while I'm like here or recording or whatever, she's like all love, love for you. Because since she lived in Greece for a number of years, and I've always wanted to know what how how does the a nice steaming bowl of Malacca taste like that's not like no, it's like that's cheese. Malacca boost. You should use your context clues when people talk about it. I know, because everyone's like, yeah, Malacca. Yeah, that's not
Starting point is 00:28:23 that's fucking high school. Yeah, no, it's good. I'm really enjoying it to Cassandra. I'm very intrigued about what is the divide between Alexios and Cassandra. I can tell you I found out though, because I just fucking let me watch that cutscene from everyone's perspective. Guess what, they just swap the characters instantly swap them out and they kind of dial down their voices a little bit. So for those that don't know when you pick one of the two, the brother or the sister, the the one you didn't pick becomes kind of the antagonist. So when you're Cassandra, they're not both canon. What do you mean? It's not Cassandra's canon. It's not like Resident Evil with two characters doing their own campaigns. I guess not. No, though Cassandra's
Starting point is 00:29:13 Cassandra's canon. She's the character in the companion novels. But when you pick, but when you pick the other version, it's a it's a different version. It's a different story. No, no, it's the same story. Sorry, I'm facing this badly. Both characters are not two different pat side A and side B. No, let me let me explain this in the very first flashback you ever get to Cassandra. She's like an eight year old. And she's like, Oh, hanging out with my dad, learn how to spear fight. And then the mom comes out and Alexios is a little baby. Oh, he's a tiny little baby. Oh, if you were to play as Alexios, it would be Alexios hanging out with his dad, learning how to spear. That's what I didn't know. It was like they paid the money
Starting point is 00:29:50 to make FMVs and then different kids at different ages. That's awesome. And then they come out and oh, Cassandra's oh, she's a little baby. Okay, but for promotional purposes, Cassandra's the one that's canon. Yes. Okay. And even though she's not the one on the box, that's a bummer. I thought it was going to be like, um, like their staffing system or it wasn't unity, brother and sister, were they? That was they just switched off when the story demanded it. And they were romantic interests, not brother and sister. Oh, excuse me. Okay. Well, I was I thought that it was going to be like a two character. You just that that just switched stories. But this is like, they recorded the exact same dialogue with two different voice actors. So they all say the
Starting point is 00:30:29 same thing. So when one of these characters is the antagonist, they put on a little bit of more gruff voice. Alexios's voice acting is a little much. It's not good. It's not good. It's a little like he's like, I'm trying to be a big tough guy. And I guess he was raised to be so. But still, even if I'd imagine if you select him, he dials it back to like a six. I should mention, I don't know what you're talking about, because that's super far into the game. That wasn't much farther than when I talked to you about it last time. That was like a like two or three more hours afterwards. All right. Okay. And nothing really happened. Well, here's the thing considering the considering the offense that have happened in the game so far. I really didn't expect that.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Okay. But I'm enjoying it overall. But like, I'm enjoying it a bit more than origin simply because, you know, I love ancient Egypt, but I like ancient Greece a bit more. I like when someone goes the Cyclops, the cycle got to stop that Cyclops. And I'm like Cyclops doesn't mean a Cyclops. It means a guy with probably an eye patch and he's a criminal. So he's called the Cyclops. I like that type of plane with the myths and stuff. And just straight up, since I saw videos from like back at E3, they're like, fight the Medusa, fuck history, history is lame. And I appreciate that, like where they're going with Assassin's Creed. It's like, stop any more with this stuff. Don't even bother with it. I'm curious to know if this new, like gameplay system for
Starting point is 00:32:07 Assassin's Creed seems like it can go the distance. This type, you mean this type ever since the, you know, the Egypt, I want to say a third one. But then after that, switch it up again, very similar. So there are some, there are some really minor changes that make a really big deal. And the most minor change that makes the biggest deal is the way your attack animations feel. Yeah. Like, so I went back and installed origin just to check to make sure I wasn't nuts. I didn't misremember. In origin, it has a weird animation issue where you hit, you know, our one attack, but your window for the second attack ends before the first attack comes out. So you kind of have to decide ahead of time, I want to attack three times, you can't like swing,
Starting point is 00:32:53 and then if it hits or misses, decide to swing again. Oh, it's all pre buffer. It feels like that. Okay. Maybe it's exact, but it doesn't, it doesn't feel, it feels sticky, feel stiff. In Odyssey, they lengthen that buffer to all the way to the end of the attack animation. Okay. So now it feels way better. And it doesn't look any different at all. But it feels feels feels much great. The Perry is awesome. And there's no blocking anymore. It's great. Yeah. No complaints about the combat or anything. But the last kind of thing I really wanted to say about it though is that when you're going through from like, it's kind of it is like what that weird, weird article is like Assassin's Creed Odyssey really picks up after the 15th hour. Is that the start of it is
Starting point is 00:33:41 Sterling being like, could you imagine any other medium having to have the statements that about it? I completely disagree with that statement. I don't I that's that's it like up to 11. I do feel that like the start of it's kind of slow. What do you consider the start like Kefalonia? Kefalonia. Yeah. It's it's it's a slower start. And it's a little less interesting than how origin started. I think origin started off a bit stronger. But where I am now, I'm like, liking it a lot. They really dial back ship combat to be way more simple. Yeah. But it's it's weird. They have to to make skull and bones seem like it's also way faster. Yeah, that's true. So because it's tearing across five 471 something BC. There's no cannons. It's all spirit doors and arrows.
Starting point is 00:34:31 So like it's the same basic gameplay, but the ships are much smaller and they all move much faster and they go down in like three like three volumes of arrows and it's usually it. But yeah, I know I'm enjoying there's been some fun quests. I don't know how Alexios plays, but it seems like every single woman I meet, they're like, please Cassandra, stop this man from killing me. I will if you'll fuck me. Yeah. Every single romantic option is like, I will. But why don't we have fun first? And the person's like, that's really cool. I'm super stoked. You want to do the sex. But the guys are trying to kill me now. Yeah. So we'll fuck. But when you're talking about the first character, you're talking about all the characters. The first one's really bad
Starting point is 00:35:25 because it is the first one you there's a little heart next to some dialogues, which is completely disingenuous. It should be a fucking genitals. Yeah, because it's never about love. It's never romantic. It's always it's always bad pickup lines every single fucking time. And you do a whole side quest for this character. And every single time you're like, how about we fuck on your ancestors bones? And she goes, nah, then you run into that character later and you get five of those in a row. And she goes, do the quest. No, do it. So replace the heart with an eggplant. Yeah. Okay. So that happens with multiple characters. Like, I know the daughters of Artemis that are just like, we love Artemis. Artemis is Artemis. And they're like, but if you want to
Starting point is 00:36:15 fuck me, you're gonna have to kill eight legendary beasts. Do you fuck that old lady? Yes. Yeah. Everyone wants to fuck grandma's pussy. There is a relatively hilarious side quest in which you're trying to get dick pills for this chicks wife guy. And then old old guy. And so yeah, this old this chicks old husband and you get him the dick pills and he's like, I don't I would rather die. And so the one of the side quest solutions is bang his old wife all day. So there's a time lapse photography of the old man hanging outside. Playing a lute and Jack people. And then like two days later, you come out of the house and he's like, did you have fun? He's like, I think so. Wow. Do you get a fucking Witcher card collectibles?
Starting point is 00:37:04 You might as well. Holy shit. The idea that they they fucking okay premise this as a romantic option thing in the game is the most absurd. It is just Greek fucking all over the place. Whereas in origins by Ek and his wife were like the ultimate power. Yeah, they're happily married and their love and they're mad about their dead kids. Yeah. So you just throwing it out there all around Greece. Whoever whoever you're okay, get in get on. But yeah, no, I'm enjoying it overall. I kind of want to try to actually finish it. Unlike origins where I didn't want to finish it just other stuff came up. But good thing spider man came out before and not after. Yeah. So you talk about finishing it. I had a problem with origins that kind of
Starting point is 00:37:57 capped it on me. And that was if you did everything in every zone, you would become massively hilariously over leveled for everything to the point where all remaining outposts all remaining side quests felt like busy work, because back would become so strong he could just stand there and just tank everything. They eventually added enemy scaling to the game as an option that you could tick on. But I think that was after I stopped playing it. Honestly, does not allow that to be an option. The game scales with you forever. The whole game will scale to two levels under you, no matter how high up you get. I won't say it's the nemesis system from Shadow of Mordor, but it has a nemesis system in it. That's fucked up and scary. When I see bounty hunters, which are super
Starting point is 00:38:48 overpowered dudes that have names and little bits of backstory, they don't go like, ah, you cut off my genitals and made me eat Malacca. They don't say any of that stuff, but they're super uber powered guys and they see them, I'm like, I give up on quests. They act as your wanted system in this game. Which is neat. You cause too much trouble, you get powerful dudes after you. Yeah, if you murder guards in front of other guards, the guards will be like, well, we should probably get a bounty hunter on this. Deal with this Malacca. And the reason why they don't have any personality is because it would be some guy paid me to kill you every time. That's yeah. I was told to kill you and I'm going to try to kill you. You can pay off these bounties if
Starting point is 00:39:29 you want to spend the money to just make them go away. So something that's been happening as I've stepped out of the series and you guys have been going over how the new ones have been coming out, every time we talk about a new one under the new place or location or culture that it takes place in, it's always become much, much less of a conversation about what it means to be an assassin in that culture. This is almost nothing. So I'm curious to know like, I have three things to say about that. Is there even any content about you being a Greek assassin worth mentioning? In Odyssey so far zero, but in Origins there was. So the three things to say is the word assassin has literally been in the script twice the entire time I have played. One was in the only modern
Starting point is 00:40:21 day segment I saw, which was the difficulty selection prompt, which I have never seen again. I have never seen the modern day shit since I've seen it once more. The characters are not talked over anima shit, nothing, absolutely fucking nothing. And the second thing is that when you are asked to kill somebody, Cassandra says, I'm not an assassin. And that is the only time it comes up. So you're just somebody in Greece? Yeah, no, no, no, there is a future segment where you play as a girl. I'm not sure if it's the same girl from Origins, but it's it is. And she's an anonymous, she's in a very portable super thing. And she has a doctor that's monitoring her. But it's so, so brief. But I guess what I mean is like even without like, I don't even know if the word
Starting point is 00:41:06 Templar comes up or not. Oh, but it's the third one is also that the assassin order was invented in Origins. And this is 500 years before that. Okay, so it literally can't have assassins. Okay, so there's so there's no like sort of white hood and that hidden blade like there is a MacGuffin like the apple of Eden. And it's something that Cassandra can get magic item. Yeah, it's a magic item. And that's what the future people are trying to get. It's about civilization, man. That's odd, because I guess like, I thought that even when no matter how much they distance themselves, I always thought that they would at least keep white hood and hidden blade as like a ghetto hood and a quest early white hood. And it's like, but yeah, they really fucking nail at
Starting point is 00:41:51 home with the light that when you're the future girl for a bit in the segment I played later on, she's like, you can like look at everything around your little like office that you're in a little hideout. And she talks to a guy, another assassin dude, who's out on a roof somewhere that has a sniper rifle trained on their place in case of Sturgo shows up and breaks up their party. And his name is Kyoshi. And she goes, Hey, Kyoshi, it was really rough when you were in the Japanese hideout doing the Japanese thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I remember back in the day, like 10 years ago, where's assassin's creed Japan? Where's assassin's creed Ninja? And they're like, can't do it. There's just no verticality there. There's zero. It's little huts and then one big emperor like Pagoda.
Starting point is 00:42:39 That's it. What do you think fucking or this one is? There's nothing. It's tiny little huts, and then a couple of big or hard cut to footage of sick hero origins and and origins and Odyssey take place so fucking far back in the past. No one invented second floor. The tallest building in the world is like three stories tall. Like, no, think back to origins. Think of what was the meaning to these thieves or whatever. Yeah, the fucking tallest mansion in that place was two stories. It's absurd. So that's what they said back then. And back then, I might have been like, yeah, whatever. But it's like, they have to be saving that. But you've been saving it for so long. Saving it for 10 years. I mean, again, the the the side scroller China that we got, it was kind
Starting point is 00:43:33 of like, to be honest, it was like, can we just go anywhere in Asia? No, you know, fuck you. To just and but but that was also when the the cool thing was seeing how the template of assassin and Templar gets converted into that. So like the hype for Russia back when that first fucking comic came out with the fall. No, but the number the fall was was was like, oh, man, it's the the hooded look. But with the Russian stylings and trimmings to it, they even that shit doesn't matter anymore. They mentioned the fall in Odyssey. Sure. They go like, oh, remember when Tesla blew up that fucking forest, which is what sets off the fall. So the end of the fall. So the appeal of those of the culture jumping is kind of different now. And now it's just
Starting point is 00:44:19 where can we go that we haven't gone? So like, there is where is there a good warrior culture to like build a game off of? There's one thing that does like make me giggle is that the idea of like, maybe they're not doing that just yet. Because based on the overall quality of the general Greek accents in this game, it's possible they're avoiding that so that they don't make many no knows because there are there are some wildly varying quality Greek accents here. They are even Alexios is not consistent. I like Cassandra, but that's about it. Cassandra sounds like she is actually very consistent. But like Alexios is will fade in and out and it's fucking like, come on, man, you're the main character. Anyway, game still super fun. But if a third one was to come out at
Starting point is 00:45:12 the end of next year, I'd be like, like, unless it's Japan, like I'm like, what if it's an even cooler location? Polynesian Islands. This game is sailing in there. So I get the big feeling last fucking spear fights and shit. Like this game only came out so fast because they could reuse all the Greek architecture that was already in origins. And probably like, well, they may not reuse stuff from what's it called brotherhood. Because a lot of Greek stuff is also a lot of Roman stuff. That's just out of date. Yeah, I know it is. But yeah, I know still having fun with it. And I kind of hope I really hope this story like pays off and it's satisfying because I'm like, it's it's taking its time. I'm sure that the story with Cassandra and all those gang is probably
Starting point is 00:46:04 going to be great. Wait, did you have the the Cult of Cosmos menu pop up? No. Oh, man. A menu. Wait for a whole other menu tab to open up. Oh, there's already too many menu tabs. There is. There is. But a new one opens up and it's kind of fun. Like it's like it's busy work that you do over the course of the game. Yeah, but it is still kind of cool. But yeah, no, that was me for the week, I guess. Okay. Yeah, I also played a CRC. It's pretty good. Everything that I just said. Yeah, everything matches said. Okay. I think maybe this is because I'm a big completionist, but I feel like the grinding kerfuffle that people are talking about is massively overblown. What is that? You they sell they sell experience boosters in the microtransaction store. And people are
Starting point is 00:46:51 basically saying that well, you have to grind all the side quests in order to complete the main story because they're they're elements of the main story where you like finish a quest at 14 and then the next main story quest is like level 17. Unlike the last couple of games you play when you and it has a story mission says you should be this level and because it's going to be rough one or two levels off. Gotcha. Shit will kick your ass in. Couldn't couldn't defeat the fucking ugly boar Akuto from Princess Mononoke because he was like he was the same level as me could not meet this fucking boss pig. My warriors warriors. Please be my eyes. It is like hilariously easy as you don't even have to do all the side quests to keep up with levels and do that. But maybe
Starting point is 00:47:37 that's because I grind out the map and complete every location. As a matter of fact, so watermelon did. Yeah. Okay. But the game, like it doesn't demand it, but it rewards you for filling out the map conclusively. Yeah. And there are huge infinite amounts of experience in the world. Like you can just that that the mechanic where you can flip a region from Sparta to Athens, you can just flip it back and forth as much as you fucking want. Like over and over and over and over. It doesn't matter. I don't know what that is. Okay. Basically, when you get to an area it's occupied by Spartans or Athenians. Yep. And all the bases and all the all the shit in that area is going to be under one control of those factions. If you go and fuck that faction up for long enough, you will be able to
Starting point is 00:48:20 make a big, big war battle and then flip it to the other team. It turns into a Musso style fight on a battlefield where you have to kill commanders and shit. Yeah. It's actually super cool. Yeah. And are you on one side or the other? Yeah. Whoever you pick. So the way I've done it is I flipped every region that I've gone to whatever the fuck whoever the fuck happens to be there. I'll flip it to the other one because you get more rewards for attacking than defending. Yeah. Is there a benefit to like making it all the same? I have no idea, but I seriously doubt it. It's a it's a long game thing. It's like a meter has its own tabs about like who's in control Athens, the nerd like the gangs in GTA one or two, I should say, or Spartans, the
Starting point is 00:49:05 Spartans, the jocks, exactly. I also really like Elias to faxes who played Jensen and who's he? He's no, he's your dad. Oh, unless he also played Leonidas. He totally played Leonidas. I saw an interview with him talking about how he plays two characters because he plays Nicholas, okay, as well. But that's actually the bloodline anyway. And houses Greek. Not houses English with Greek. And I agree. I said it's cool. I like him a lot. Sounds like Gerard Butler when he's doing King Leonidas, actually. Yeah. What else I do? Okay, so I watched one episode each of Overlord, which is that Isakai about the Skullman. Yeah, and also, God, what the fuck was the skull face bookseller Honda son,
Starting point is 00:50:01 which just came out. Everyone can feel free to guess why I watched a bunch of skeleton based animes. Overlord's fun, but it's pretty I nothing special from episode one, nothing really say skull face bookseller Honda son is fucking great. And everybody who has ever worked in retail should watch it, because it is the instead of cute little animals in an office with a gritsco. It is monster people in a bookstore. That's it. The whole first episode is how hard it is to deal with foreign yowie girls coming into the store to buy porn. That is your first episode. And how awkward that is, because you don't speak very much English. Pujoshi. Yes, awkward. In say that, because I feel like most people listening wouldn't actually know what the fuck
Starting point is 00:50:53 that word means. I think they do. But I think it's gotten out there. That that shit is great. There's only one episode out on Crunchyroll right now, but I'm sure like, I don't know how many are, but I'm excited. I also watched more spiteful Hunter Hunter. Much more. I believe it's pronounced Hunter X Hunter. Yes, Hunter X Hunter. I believe that's pronounced Hunter X Hunter Hunter. Yeah, they do actually pronounce it exactly like that. I am having a really bizarre problem. How much more? Oh, don't say the problem is you like it. Well, how much more like 25 episodes? Oh, wow, that's a lot. That's a lot of spite. Is that not like a season? I don't know. It's it's split up. Do the arcs end on 13? No, they don't. They super don't. Okay. Like they they end whenever the fuck they want.
Starting point is 00:51:47 It seems very this feels like a show that was just run for 100 episodes. That means you're in. Yeah. So the thing that I'm having the biggest trouble with is it came out in 98 before Naruto, which means every time I go, that's such a rip off. I have to go. No, it's not. It's actually being super ripped off. Is this the oldest show that you've watched? Well, does the Dragon Ball count? Dragon Ball counts. Well, then no. Okay. Because Dragon Ball just I think naming an assassin child character literally named kill is a bit much. I think that is a bit absurd. Not even Kira. His name is Killua. But everybody just calls him kill. Wow. I think that it's really, really dumb. It's some anime. That's good anime. I think
Starting point is 00:52:52 that Gon's design actually fluctuates in its awfulness. He occasionally looks much better. And occasionally looks much worse. And I figured out the exact design element that that character you mean? Yeah, gone. The little green kid. It's his fucking shirt jacket is the ugliest fucking thing ever. When he's in the shorts in the tank, and his hair, his hair doesn't even look that bad. But like that fucking awful thing with the fishing rod is just the worst. And it's so weird because most like 99% of the cast have normal human proportions. And then there's a couple one piece looking freaky soids. Yeah. And one of them is like a main character. The Oreo has he's weird and lanky and he his body proportion changes if he's got a shirt
Starting point is 00:53:40 on or off. Okay, but art style aside, your 25 episodes in. That's all right. Yeah, that's all right. Okay. The reluctance. The probably probably the weirdest thing is how fast and loose it plays with like reality in that your main character is 12 years old. There is a point during the hunter exam, which is your first basic art, where all the main characters run for more than 100 kilometers nonstop in an afternoon. That's more or less where I stopped in the in the old one because it got to a point where like they meet the fucking kid on the skateboard. Yeah, and then they're all and then they're all that's the kid. Yeah, I forgot the names. But yeah, and then they're they're running in that big place or whatever they're running down a hallway or more than an episode. Right. And
Starting point is 00:54:34 it ends up being like a seven and a half hour 100 kilometer run. And the 12 year old gets to the end goes, Wow, that was refreshing. And it's like, Okay, come on. We're not on planet saying here. We're in I don't know where we are. We're in some fucking poorly, you know, one piece of universe is incredibly poorly defined. And it's just like there's islands, and there's pirates. Yeah, but it's a world with superpowers and energy and if so, you know, the weirdest part is that it doesn't have superpowers and energy until they run that marathon. And then there are there's magic. Yeah, why could shut up? Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. Gone still like looks dumb, though. And discount Kefka is a weird villain. And I know for a fact he does not predate Kefka
Starting point is 00:55:26 scrape just scrape that plate as hard as he can, or scrape that plate, see what you can get. What's really what you know, is you know, it's actually really sad. It's really sad is that you look at so the second arc is rescue Sasuke. It's literally it's literally identical. Well, it's a tournament, isn't it? No, the tournament's part of the exam. But the second arc is rescue Sasuke. And the really sad part is that it's more interesting and inventive than the rescue Sasuke arc, which copies it. Because there's a twist. And it's like, Oh, that's actually really interesting. It has more than me liking Hunter Hunter, it has shown me how much I actually secretly dislike Naruto. By the way, when you're done with Naruto, watch Plague of Grypes's fucking amazing
Starting point is 00:56:14 Naruto the self made hypocrite video. I can I can already guess what the deal with it is, because it's like it's very well, no, he explains everything all the way to the end. But sure. Yes, Naruto is a hypocrite because yeah, hard work. Absolutely hard work and overcome inborn talent. And meanwhile, he's running around with game sharks. And he's just collecting fucking cheat CC codes as the story goes on. And everything he's doing, that's all we're doing in the LP room right now is watching like, oh, yeah, you're you're exactly hard work and never giving up in that attitude. Fuck that noise. There's more hacks for you to collect. I was born better is what Plague likes to fall on. And my and because I was born better, it allows me to
Starting point is 00:56:58 collect more cheat scrolls that you couldn't collect. Yeah. And the more I have the better I am. Plus, I got literal bullshit that allows me to learn things differently from everyone else. Yeah. And fucking assimilate information. It's the most hacks bullshit ever. It's ridiculous. It's absurd how much he goes against its own point. Yeah, that video was absolutely like I haven't even watched it yet, but I can tell. But isn't it like secret stuff he didn't know about initially? Yeah, but the later where it's like, yeah, he ha like is born with this one thing that everybody knows. Yeah, but he's born better than the Uchiha is right off the bat. No, I know, but he didn't know that. But the but he does. And later he does. But like, but like as the
Starting point is 00:57:40 world goes on and as information scales outward, yeah, the things that they have specifically the Uchiha shit and Naruto shit end up just rising to the top. The other the other thing because the world gets filled out beneath them. The other thing that Plague likes to point out is the Naruto believes that hard work can make anyone be a Hokage, but you never once see Naruto study. Of course, you don't see him do anything unless it involves a physical his talent doesn't lie there. You know who actually works hard? Rock Lee Rock works hard. He works the hardest the fucking it's the only character that's actually out there kicking a tree because he's like, I can't do fucking magic. So I'm gonna kick this tree for a long time. And guess what? When you're
Starting point is 00:58:25 the tree, you're going down. You know what his magic is? He gets drunk. That's good magic. It's fucking like that dude is actually putting in the work. You know, anyway, but yeah, Hunter Hunter is pretty good. But then he gets magic anyway. And I like it. Fuck it. I'm still going to continue to complain though. And what did what did what did one eyepatch wolf have to say about this? I don't know. He'll find out in a few hours, I suppose. Oh, you didn't let him know. Fuck that right away. Fuck that. You didn't jump on the horn immediately in tweeting to to hey, hey, this is where I'm at. No, okay. All right. Yeah, I do have some questions. And the number one question is that the power scaling in Hunter Hunter, like, you know how one piece has like
Starting point is 00:59:09 the go move for rule and oh, I got a weird power and DBZ has just straight up I I've lifted a bunch of rocks and hero academia has basically one piece rule if I have a weird power. I have no idea what the fuck it actually is in Hunter Hunter. It is it appears to be an amalgamation of all anime in which these kids are assassins, but that one's a mutant. But that guy's 50 feet tall, you know, just like nothing. And I don't know what is actually connecting these things. Why does this person have powers? Why is this person super strong? Is it and I really don't want the answer to be cause because that's gonna be cause spoilers. You know, for the end of a multi year long, fuck Hunter X Hunter arc. The you didn't win smugness coming off of you. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:00:03 I would call it smugness. It's pretty I stayed up later than I should have last night to finish the Killua arc. I think that but I think the people that wanted your that wanted you dead are like Oh, they wanted me gushing. It's like it's not satisfying enough. Yeah. So you're to me this is a you didn't win off the side of the stage because it's like like yeah, this that's it. Okay. All right. Well, so the ultimate here is that once I finish it, apparently the anime cuts out, but it cuts out at a natural stopping point and then you can continue the manga until that also stops. So me being in is one thing. You being in is something altogether different because your annoyance is what created Ipatch 100% right 100% but I always like there was like there's
Starting point is 01:00:54 even whatever the fuck someone and someone was like like and it's really this I think it summarizes almost the entirety of you and me when it comes to these things but like someone was getting super upset on Twitter about the fact really. I know I know I know but the thing was about like how the things I say about Hunter or whatever were just upsetting and annoying and like I hate the band that you like right and it was one of the things where I'm like so I've always maintained that like the old dumb shit I watch from the early version is terrible and awful and the new shit's probably fine and you were always like no that shit's garbage the whole thing's garbage too and I'm like how is that a more reasonable stance to take and the person was I don't know if you
Starting point is 01:01:36 saw it but they're like it's not more reasonable but that's why it's easy to dismiss it and laugh it off. Yours is I'm more reasonable and that's why it's easier to get upset and more pissed off at what I'm saying. Because it's a reasonable point of view I can argue it but you will want to do it. Versus like your extremities which are just like wow. Ah, God's dumb looking. Which lets you get away with horse shit. That's right. And I take flak. It's a good plan. For being slightly reasonable. Holy why do you think I drink the tears? Because it works. It's the fight. It's like are you serious right now? I'm being more reasonable and thus you're more angry at me? Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. You should be more crazy like me. I guess so. I guess that's the way. It's helpful.
Starting point is 01:02:16 Become a caricature so that it doesn't seem real. But yeah it's pretty good. I'm excited to see where it goes. It does something interesting. Like where I'm at right now. Where they set a goal for the future. You know not like some nebulous like I want to be on the top here or want to become Hokage. They set a goal six months into the character's future. I want to grow my hair really long and awkward and get all buff but wear the same size clothes. That's a goal. And then they go okay we'll have to do it then. And it's transitioning into a new arc because they have time to kill. It's very weird. Okay. It reminds me of it's one piece of narrative together. That's the Hunter Hunter Report for this week. I'll be back next week when I'm done the series.
Starting point is 01:03:07 It's the Hunter Report. How much how much how many episodes? 140. Jesus. Wait is it still ongoing? No. Good. A culminate so the the the manga has been compared to Berserk in its hiatus status. See on four so here's the thing unlike Miura who gets lazy or loves to play his MMOs or love life or whatever commercial by the way. I did not. This is commercial for Berserk returning to manga and it's like this stupid live action man and he's trying to be a live action guts. It's hilarious. So yeah unlike that it's because like the Hunter Hunter author is like constantly on the verge of death. Oh right that's why you're making fun about him dying. No I wasn't making fun of him dying. I'm making fun of his art that he draws when he's dying.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Okay. Because of yes because of illness and or overwork slash exhaustion. So I recently found out that the giant if not always ever present hiatus in Vagabond comes from the fact that Takahiko Inoue basically doesn't have it in him anymore. That's not what I want to hear. And the recent arc that's pretty pivotal to the character was not about action. It was about something very boring and a lot of people didn't like that and apparently that's led to some problems and stuff but ultimately there's a big write up on how he was just like yeah I can I've been in these slumps before and I can tell that when I try to work through them it just makes the work worse so I have to just wait until I have it in me and I currently don't have it and right now he's
Starting point is 01:04:55 like I think managing a basketball team so and basically there was it's the most depressing shit ever dreams come true and so what they did was if there was a an exhibition where he made a bunch of paintings that are a glimpse into the future of Musashi and Kojiro and it's just like a collection of what would have been the theoretical ending of this story oh boy and it's fucking depressing I hope within my lifetime that he feels that he no you hope within his lifetime so yeah here's the question that I have for both of you because there is precedent for the for both of these situations we have something like Berserk we all love Berserk here right now Mura doesn't have anybody that he really works with or helps him take on the art he doesn't have
Starting point is 01:05:44 like a straight up successor right you can pair that to say I want to say Naruto and fucking what's dbz in which Toriyama doesn't draw Dragon Ball Super with Smanga it's a different guy now it's his it's somebody who's helped him Kishimoto handed it off Boruto someone else completely and I remember seeing people speculate that the end of Naruto was also written by the new guy because it looks a lot more like Boruto so the end of Naruto was really like the end of Kishimoto because he's like I don't want to do this right and so you have situations where your art style changes because it's clearly a different person and in some cases the quality dips right but it fucking got made it ended right you even have Robert Jordan whose kid finished it his son
Starting point is 01:06:35 were finished writing The Wheel of Time right they got done and whatever you can say about their quality level they fucking ended does Jojo Arbot have a plan no like Berserk and Song of Ice and Fire are fucking not going to end and maybe Vagabond as well if you describe it at the author going I just don't have it in me anymore I think Martin gave like rough summaries to somebody but it's like I don't know if they're gonna like they never said whether like he will continue writing it or she will whatever he's just like here's some shit I don't know my hope is is that um you know how actors will come back after fucking 10 years to reprise the role of a character from 10 years ago or you know what I mean like Kurt Russell coming back to sneak Pliskin like 10 years like that or
Starting point is 01:07:27 or before sunrise before sunset you know after whatever the third one is called right like I hope that that happens where it's like all right so it might take a decade but eventually he's like because it's just the story of Musashi in the Book of Five Rings like it's it's a story that is already written out you know um but the build-up is so good that it would really be a shame for that to just end here and I'm kind of fucking I'm dying on the line a little bit realizing bless you that it's never coming out because I think I've been infinitely patient to the point where the like like like you know this berserk delays and whatnot like has it always been insane and they were always getting off the boat and all that shit right sir delays are so bad that I don't
Starting point is 01:08:17 even read berserk anymore but what does it look like so with vagabond it's always just been a I put it out of my mind and when one exists oh look a new chapter hooray life so it would be better if so hearing about this development of as to his mental state was just like hey don't expect any if he never even said this I probably would have waited five years and went like oh hey cool another one's here yeah you know like knowing it now makes it hurt more the saga they just straight up said we're going to take like a year break when you're uh yeah i'm saying you're going to get a new chapter soon and then eight months later you get a chapter and then a break for another six months like oh my god fuck off yeah I mean when you've worked like like you know sag is another example
Starting point is 01:08:58 when it's like the shit you've built up here is so good that I don't care like yeah do what you got to do you know make the story close out also finish it yes but I would rather it finish at the quality that it started at then get it sooner and have it drop in quality fair enough this is the one thing ironically that like because I I prefer the manga like set up with the one author and all that shit compared to like western comics but western comics usually don't have single story lines go on for decades no so this doesn't really happen berserk yeah but since the fucking 80s yeah but they have the opposite problem right they have the like nothing matters because yeah every six issues we flip this flip it over
Starting point is 01:09:44 or continue it at least uh on a one I think it's the 10 year sliding scale or 11 year sliding scale that's 10 yeah where you're like you're gonna have a bunch of story lines written by different people that ultimately there's advantages don't really matter there is there is but I think a coherent story as much as as much as you can jump in at any point of a story that always doesn't matter like a soap opera um look you get a more compelling tale out of like continuity over a while you know you have a chance that you have a chance to spend more time with characters and villains and build them up and make better characters like a 10 year gap I mean it's fine for someone in the future that can go and like collect everything but when you're living during these gaps it's not it's
Starting point is 01:10:26 it's not optimal so like the ultimate and not the ultimate but I think a what sounds to me like an example of like the problem with handing things off all the time in the in the traditional uh comic structure is a character like carol danvers where god she's been through a million like incarnations and versions and like people that are looking at the carol danvers now going stop treating her like a hero she's an asshole yeah she's done super dirt shit I really don't I really don't like that it's a woman girl power she's cool I really like that I posted like here's the statue of of cat the marvel and I really like it and it was made during a certain time period and someone yells at me you shouldn't like that character but I'm like but I like him for what the part I know
Starting point is 01:11:13 because it's like it's like it doesn't matter what she's representing and what you're using her for now the things that she has done are terrible yeah that's a whole other can of worms exactly these characters are now like they also don't exist Christ I could say spider-man and they're uh they're actually hundreds of different people that can pop into your mind there are at least six ones popular enough to put into a movie my favorite spider-man is not even spider-man isn't he though so that's it I thought he was and so the fact that the fact I thought he was the real spider-man you know the fact that she's she's coming around now especially with the movie and it's like yeah look at this heroic female hero you know becoming iconic for these purposes it's
Starting point is 01:11:59 weird and representing these movies are such like lightning rods to make people go like mainstream people like that they don't read the characters go oh awesome so it's like when black panther comes out black panther has done some shit yeah yeah yeah yeah but the movie black panther is super cool yeah yeah yeah and it's just it's just there's not much you can do to mitigate all this stuff because there's so many writers and so many different times that they want to take the care of there's so many different black panthers done some shit but also like he hung out with queen ororo for a while he did he did I always thought speedball was a happy go lucky guy and then people reminded me it's like you know that he did this yeah I'm like right hey and you know
Starting point is 01:12:42 you should be on an episode of edge lords now and I'm like what same why because I forgot that that he was the kickoff point to like what civil war you well you like your fucking night thrasher you like your stupid new warriors yeah do you remember but that's exactly it right as like carol danvers is now this character where anyone that like comes in sees the new thing that's going on and going like no you don't remember what she did you know fuck you and it's and it's hilarious but that's the that's the problem with writing a character over an extended period of time you know it's kind of hilarious actually um we need to kill superman well they did I know many times made me smile
Starting point is 01:13:32 I feel like shitty superman I feel like uh you know like that doesn't it doesn't happen with every character but you definitely like you said like black panthers done some shit cap has done some shit there's some shit right Tony's done like everyone Tony's done some shit the only person that's never bad is punish everyone yeah you're right Punisher always does the right thing now he worked for Hydra too so everyone has these moments where you're like you can't fucking dude like watching watching um um Ant-Man right and seeing Hank running around and doing the Hank in that and then thinking about the Hank Pym from the Ultimates is like fuck yeah that asshole oh you mean why Peter Hank he's the worst in the Ultimates and like here you're like yeah
Starting point is 01:14:21 Ultimates is pretty he's a smart guy a different universe it is it is yes clearly and he has his tea he has a him and and Michelle Pfeiffer get to hang out here and it's all fine and dandy yeah but you just you're just like if you're thinking about this is the same person as that fucking comic you're like you know who's always nice She-Hulk you can't be like She-Hulk's done some shit you know well wait no no way she did a bunch of shit too at the bottom someone's gonna fight it no she's a couple of months ago at least he was in a savage state and probably did some shit okay okay i'm gonna you know who's never done no shit no shit Groot Groot's never done no shit you don't know what kind of horrific tree crimes he committed i've bet i'm gonna i'm gonna
Starting point is 01:15:09 hard jubilee probably never did anything oh jubilee sucks too much yeah i'm gonna go out and say she broke those arcade machines i'ma go out on a limb and say on a branch and say a Groot never did no shit there's no one that's gonna be mad about Groot i don't know i think i was kind of scared um okay well is that superheroes that's it for me okay did you do any superheroine uh so yeah i watched venom and um i i'm i'm not done spider-man but i'm i i i've entered a solid like shit's shit's fucking popping off you're in the third act shit's popping off and it's it's very it's an electro so you're pretty close it's it's compelling and it's great and uh man yeah i won't have much to say until i'm super done but wow oh wow is that electro the best electro that's
Starting point is 01:16:05 ever been some spectacular work with those boss fights near the end of the game i feel like they just gave li joe electricity powers and just went like yo li joe you want to have electric powers he's like yeah let's do this i want to compute your energy it's hard to see it but i have the spider-man art book and they're like so we felt that electro's costume was the shits it was terrible and we all hate always but we wanted to put him in there so he has the electro mask pattern burned into his skin so he has these little like skin burns that are in the this stupid star shaped pattern and i'm like that's pretty edgy but i mean electro has all the help and electro is a fucking like he's a green and yellow costumed character that shoots lightning blasts out and i hate him
Starting point is 01:16:57 i mean ultimate electro was a lot like the jay b fox version where he was this and also remember the one in my main frame main frame yeah the like the loser kid that like gets it from the tv and stuff he's just like pure energy the blue style they have tried but i never liked those versions no he's always not great here he was cool in like seconds in near moments after his appearance man oh man is he great um yeah i'll i'll finish it off before you know i think you like that halloween mission i had lots of villains in it that was fun um i so far i feel um like mr negative is handled so well yeah great that um i'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes but i'll wait for the end i have one question for you and just as a yes or no have you done mary jane's
Starting point is 01:17:50 final stealth mission yet uh i you'll know it if you didn't you will know is it the third one no i think it's the fourth one it's not the one in the in the in the public building no then i guess okay all right get back to us when you have because that is i'll probably finish it off next time one of um the mission itself is quite dull but yeah what you find in it is not yeah let me let me just you know um so that's going on uh there's uh another schmup that was uh yeah well schmup got pat was like yo popped a little something over my way and i was like oh yeah i caught i heard it fits so many schmups inside this woolly zero gunner um is what it's called and it's fucking incredible it's one of the best new like schmups and like games that i've seen in a while it's the one that
Starting point is 01:18:44 has triumph or die in the um no that's the no that's that sorry right that was devil engine zero gunner is fucking cool man um it is just fast paced it's horizontal it is doing all kinds of references are you talking about zero gunner special forces the helicopter game no okay because that's that appears to be from the 80s that's no it's a dream cast game that's not what i'm talking about i am well this is where it gets confusing because i'm looking up zero gunner and i'm getting a goddamn dream cast game oh shit okay hold on a second um let me see if i can find this out for you correctly are you sure it's called zero gunner i might be wrong are you sure it's not the game someone mentioned to me last week called zero ranger it's zero ranger it's zero
Starting point is 01:19:38 ranger not zero gunner i made a mistake zero ranger is fucking great now i will look this up and um yeah yeah let me just confirm here because all right well i hit images and got uh the green ranger that's not bad thing to get uh anyway it's fast paced it said it has a lot it has lots of references to previous shmup games um there's these little bosses you fight that are like like character that are ships from older like legendary this looks classic as shit yeah it's vertical it's fast paced it has a really great um it has a really great like continue system where like it's based on the points you build up in your current run um i'm missing a lot of green and orange there's a yeah in fact green orange is like the name of a
Starting point is 01:20:34 thing in that huh uh no you see the problem is when i type in zero ranger uh google auto corrects it to zero ranger why would it correct it to something that's not really a word yeah so you have to delete the space i suppose between the two um but in any case uh uh why why is it your best your best i'm sorry i'm trying to pull this up while i'm talking and it's giving you the troubles yeah because i'm just typing i type the word in and then i type steam and then it's like no nothing there and i'm like why are you doing i typed in zero ranger on google and just got a steam page i also got the very first result is the final boss fight on uh youtube there we go all right that's how it happened so um yeah it has it has a really creative system of like unlocks and stuff
Starting point is 01:21:21 like that uh it has also like a fun intro sequence that like plays with it just it's an intro that's kind of interactive i'll put it that way okay when you say it's got unlocks what are you unlocking ships you're unlocking weapons you're unlocking uh so far not ships but just like uh weapons and abilities and like as you progress you kind of like pick your upgrade path and uh it feels like you kind of build towards one or another and like you can you can uh uh you can unlock things that will continue into your next run effectively so yeah it's just it's one of the best fucking shmups i've played in years it's super good um zero ranger is what that's called and it's reigniting all kinds of fucking love and like and i and i hate to always reference and
Starting point is 01:22:16 compare things to ikoruga but but you'll do it anyway i'll do it when it when it's good it's good and when i feel it i feel it and this makes me feel all kinds of things like that and there's lots of like things happening that are that feel referential you know so um it's kind of like when i was playing near and i was like hey that feels like a big ikoruga you're doing right there and then after a while like the interview came out where they're like yeah we we did a big we did a big ikoruga and i was like okay cool good good good um so that's yeah that's time well spent and uh i guess speaking of near like uh yeah so i've been uh uh outside of the lp just putting in like sort of casual time side quest time side quest time you know running around in it and stuff
Starting point is 01:23:02 and um that like that's one of the most interesting things i feel like because i you know i haven't yes that game is interesting the the i mean i'm not going to talk about anything plot wise and whatnot you know for spoiler sakes and the lps out there check it out but the combat is really like deceptively complex in the same way that revengeance is in the same way that bayonetta is at first right like so bayonetta you started and you're like oh okay i see what's going on here you just put a punch in a kick button and then like it's like nope you equip to each one you have dodge offset and you're building a whole system of of combos around using these two and then wicked weaving yeah when you want to oh my god that's huge plus the moveset changes once you equip the
Starting point is 01:23:51 same thing to your feet right which i remember uh james small was like you can do what that's my that's my de facto go-to memory of someone like finding out about bayonetta yeah uh and so in and i feel like revengeance as well you're like oh we took dodging away we all all that's all gone now there's just a simple parry and then afterwards you kind of slash and what are you like okay cool but then you do it you're like oh there's a lot more going on here you know and and i feel like near automata is like a mastery of that same idea and and platinum has always been really good but the evolution of their gameplay is them finding ways to make the game more simple on the surface and more complex as you dig i did not find it to be nearly as complex even after digging as the
Starting point is 01:24:43 two games that you mentioned i found it to be significantly more complex than say like you know obviously things like transformers and fucking well i mean yeah obviously because i had more time in the engine and in the oven and whatnot yes but i was surprised i thought i get the reason why i bring those up is because i felt like after playing it the first couple of times it was comparable to those games like transformers and cora oh that's what you mean right i thought it was this is character action i i would i would put it i would put it alongside something like revengence and it's not bao it's not bao for sure but it's way more than i thought once you work in the uh the pod customization right like your wire ability basically being
Starting point is 01:25:29 your reverse snatch um your your uh self-destruct cancels and uh tap delay combos the the taunt system things like that like i was surprised with how much variation came out of that stuff and uh i mean it is a platinum game it is i don't mean to be dismissive but what exactly did you never lose this luster as the game went on and like more of those things opened up systems that were initially quite simple you know even your pod system yeah right like based on how it worked in the first game with the book with the with the grimoire uh with weiss you kind of have an expectation of how it's going to play out here and it ends up being way more complicated than weiss was and it ends up being way more open and allows and like you know while i was experimenting with
Starting point is 01:26:21 that stuff and then someone sent me some like things to play around with like combo video stuff almost and i was like okay let me take it down to the coliseum and just like yeah all i'm trying to say is fucking good on platinum for like finding a way to like hide that and have it be in there in a way that i feel you you get there by spending more time and by um you know like different playthroughs opening up different avenues probably the most interesting part of all of that is actually at a relatively low base level one of the characters loses access to their y button attack yeah and i went ah just fuck yeah now i don't have my heavies it's like no actually you keep your heavies it just changes from a different button press to a hold which means that it is more difficult
Starting point is 01:27:06 and some things are not actually possible anymore but some things are a cakewalk you do actually retain the vast majority of your moveset and because gain a completely new side ability well yeah yeah you you you you lose your heavy attack and you gain the heaviest possible attack you know um i think that uh after this game i'm going to be ruined on dodges because there has never been more precision and control in a dodge system than fucking the way it feels to dodge in near onamada really it didn't stand out to me compared to say like a bayo it is so tight and the speed at which you can control it and make circles around bullets with extreme precision well going back to don't make cries can be rough because we're going back to the old dodge system oh that's fine that's fine you
Starting point is 01:28:00 know but dmc is heavier than say near but yeah i guess but near uh it's rather dmc um to to me my brain goes yeah but you're just roll and jump you know like i'm just it feels like my brain wants to do different things in that because of okay you know i i feel like i can distinguish between the two you know in a way that like bayo was definitely like no keep your hand on that dodge button because you want to fucking bat which time it that reminds me of actually one of the things i added to odyssey which i was shocked when i did it if you dodged the last second you activate greek time yeah okay okay yeah it's super cool and the other thing of course being with the chipset right you can change out however you want to fucking yeah run your character and i'm running
Starting point is 01:28:48 as you can imagine parry heavy so like your defense i put in a counter plus six and i'm just his defense and i'm just like watching things melt where i'm like oh i can forget my dodge button now because while i'm comboing and i see the like the revenge and style wind up and then the red glow before the enemy attacks and just bam undo that you know so and you're instead of doing your dodge time you're getting fucking damage off of that parry so yeah fucking just kudos i guess i you know what i mean i don't know yeah it's a good game yeah and i'll definitely uh have more a ton more to say it's a great game about the story once that's wrapping up where you at ish i'm in i'm towards the end of playthrough c you're getting i'm getting there you're getting there yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:29:39 effectively what's going to need to happen is uh a little bit of some closure and then some some loose ends yeah you know you're gonna you're you're about to hit the point you're about to hit the point where you're gonna be really happy you play in here like real happy i'm already really happy with the tie-in there's there are some context people oh yeah that you like you see them and you talk to them once and you're like oh thank god yeah i played that game so the the yeah actually i was so the moment that context people started being relevant like seconds before that i was practically like yelling at liam going oh my god you can't sandbag this i refuse to be sandbagged and then the game was like hey man we know and i was like why you gotta make me cry yeah that's pretty good
Starting point is 01:30:27 so that was great um hey man jojo what's up that so i need to go back and look at chapter one i don't remember that much of giorno's fucking abs being visible in that many scenes oh you're crazy oh are they it's it's you're nuts if you don't remember i thought they were turning it up for that you're miss you're getting less because you're missing the chapter covers which have gold experience groping up on him super hard we're gonna get like a jennik jackson cover we're gonna get those as episode ends i imagine i'm hoping i'm hoping we find ways to work them in because they're the best boy i forgot i forgot some of the choice lines in that first episode of i can put anything i want in your mouth it's really it's i the pacing is going way faster than i thought
Starting point is 01:31:17 but considering the episode count yeah it makes sense they're gonna have to squeeze a lot also considering what actually happens in that first little bit like it makes sense it's just the moments that i that are big moment panels like oh yeah that would only be like two or three seconds long so i was just that it's a full page in the yeah so i expected like leaky i luka to be most of the first episode and then the little you know the little tag at the end with um rato is coming no no no i didn't i didn't expect to see bruno at all in the first episode i thought we're gonna end before that and then like we went that's the fault the first chapter into that so it's moving at a breakneck pace which is good uh the tie-ins it's so funny how
Starting point is 01:31:57 it's like the tie-ins with part four and stuff where you're like here's the passing of the baton you know it's from the three to the four to the five and in the case of three to four like characters like like giotaro sticks around to be relevant and then it's kind of like yeah hang out my room all day reading about dolphins type of shit and like this time around the baton is like passed and when giogio when uh giorno looks back to see who passed it to him there's no one there they're fading away it's already gone the baton just just lands in and they're like all right the baton just came via mail the camera's tied to you now camera man's like i can't i can't stop looking at this fella so far it's really italian so far
Starting point is 01:32:43 it's really really colorful yeah it is a lot hugely like pastel almost so far it's great yep um i hope that i hope that the voice actors they pick for these characters are based on the ones we got in the games yeah because i feel like those they're good they really nailed them i was worried about a couple and they nailed them really good and they said that they allow they don't want the the game the voice actors from the games aren't shuins for the roles but they but they're like you can definitely re-audition running you can re-audition for the character in the show is how they how they let it happen and uh so far so good so far so good but i'm the only thing i'm disappointed about in the first episode is that we didn't get uh because we see gold experience being renamed into golden
Starting point is 01:33:34 wind so that shit continues i have to uh i'm excited for the line reading of zipper man yeah as the one uh probably going to be the most ridiculous one so far no so far so well it is bad company to worse company is outrageous halfway through we're gonna get some way funner ones because the up because the names are going to get more contemporary as we go yeah notorious b.i.g exactly exactly that's that's how like a black sabbathur so i'm i'm waiting for notorious b.i.g what the fuck is that even gonna be it's great is what it is it's really really i was trying to workshop with the other night it was like infamous infamous large my stand infamous large will get you they could probably get away with just going biggie smalls big papa big papa you know they
Starting point is 01:34:27 if they wanted to go like what lean into it and rename it according to the reference as opposed to according to what the character is but yeah we'll see intercourse gun christopher also if if scdc is different enough from ac dc then like why can't you just spell out things because scd they actually they did decent job sometimes he actually says scdc instead of ac dc or whatever okay so just call him big notoriety sure large and you're calling it day it's just extra wild because you can hear that you can fucking hear their words coming out of their mouths gold experience yeah yeah partially related they like came to some conclusion about all that friday the thirteenth right shit yeah the writer owns everyone mentioned in the first movie but
Starting point is 01:35:21 nothing afterwards so he doesn't own the hockey mask whoops but we own the hockey mask but do you own the name is he gonna be called basin bore he's what it's so confusing wait aspects of the character are not owned so the argument i don't know how does that i didn't write any of the movies that had a hockey the writer of the first movie is suing over the rights to jason bore he's but he was never involved in any way with any movie that had jason and a hockey mask right which is what people think of as the character he owns a mutated lake child so he can take the name away but a killer dust basin bore he put a killer in a hockey mask yeah i don't get that hockey mask killer from hell basin could they argue that jason is a common name and that many people yeah
Starting point is 01:36:14 no it isn't so if they if they just legally have to call him jason from then on yeah oh well you just can't use the name bore he's yeah fine you own his mom yeah she's pretty cool as killers old lady fine that's weird it is weird oh man okay let's take a quick word from a sponsor let's do that this week the podcast is sponsored by audible hey audible what's up audible it's been a little if you're listening to a podcast that means that you've got ears and headphones possibly yep and found time i like that term i do like that found time is really good found time is what you refer to when you're going about your day and you're doing otherwise mundane tasks well suddenly if you weren't listening to anything at that time you can listen to us or you can listen to an audiobook
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Starting point is 01:39:33 enjoy it now um while last apologies to tear zoo for what he had to sit through it's like he that was interested in devil may cry about it was a it was a message it was a rough week it was a rough week to sit on through because man were we excited for devil may cry oh we're gonna get even more inside baseball now and we're not gonna not talk about devil may cry get the fuck out of here so devil may cry weapons should show up in new york city comicon we finally understand what all those bullshit buster arms are about i'm just gonna keep calling them buster arms i know they're breakers but whatever devil breakers okay so one walking through uh so there was a new york comicon is going on or went on and there was a um a an exhibition where they broke down
Starting point is 01:40:21 some of the different abilities that the uh the special collectors edition devil breakers devil breakers are exactly like the mega man's so so gerbera is the the normal hand that you know you got the the context palms but whatnot instead now you have an extra movement option i believe yeah so the gerbera gpo one which is named after gundam gpo one why fucking hence the color scheme being gundamask right with the red and the white trimmings uh and yeah it just in neutral it lets you attack up or down directly as opposed to uh straight in front of them so it's it's a it's not better it's just different it's functionally different exactly and because if you get stuck with it you just have to learn how to work them all i like how this is kind of like a thing right
Starting point is 01:41:05 you're like all of these are going to be things you have to learn how to use yep because you might have them for a minute such as the pasta breaker the pasta breaker is the fork that basically is made for him eating his food and it's not very strong however when you have it on your slots it allows you to select your devil breaker which none of the others allow you to do you're just got to deal with what you got so you sacrifice a slot however it lets you rotate as you want niko cobbled it together with a bunch of bullshit lying around you know what else got cobbled together from a bunch of bullshit sweet surrender the vibration arm for curie a sweet surrender which has a health regen so that's what it is when you put sweet surrender on besides the vibrator for
Starting point is 01:41:45 curie a it is uh it is a passive heal that does nothing but you can rock it while you use your red queen and the rest of your abilities and you'll passively get life back or you can burst it for big heal a big heal i wonder how much how fast it's gonna go i don't imagine not very not very fast no probably like dt dt speed yeah like three dt speed slow okay yeah not one that'd be fucking busted yes it would it would make things a lot easier and last but not least is uh fucking was the megabuster the megabuster which is it shoots gun it's a gun oh also uh there's cavalier r which is very interesting it only has one new move and it has different looks but it completely removes all of daunte's super armor on the entire weapon so you get a you know a polite swap version
Starting point is 01:42:32 if you would it's possibly way worse or the way better depending on the move yeah right but all of this is as you can see these are like they're deluxe edition busters so they shouldn't they're all weird and off shoots but they shouldn't be expressly better than having them or not having them you know they're just interesting or different rebalances but who cares about that shit you see daunte's new fucking weapons daunte's got new weapons cerberus is back cerberus new but it's new no but it is cerberus is now it is cerberus is now what it should have been so that three-headed pupper now has three forms obviously one's the ice done chucks one is a light my favorite weapon one is a fire bow staff and and then the other is a lightning form it's a lightning chain lightning
Starting point is 01:43:19 right and is it is it a two is it two section when it's in lightning form no it's it's it's still three okay so only the bow staff is the three-section staff getting like no the bow staff is a single rod they all they're all rigid up no no yes but i mean three-section staff like it makes me it's like you're putting the three together and they're becoming that form right whereas the nun chuck it's it's them assembled around the ring but the fire not the fire the lightning and the ice forms are both three yeah they're so okay so it doesn't actually have a difference between those two forms okay uh so that's fucking cool because it's weird that one weapon is now three weapons but that's what it should have been you know what i mean it's a
Starting point is 01:43:57 three-headed fucking dog it was supposed to be fancy nun chucks no but it's a three-headed dogger oh yeah it's a three-headed nun chuck so this makes perfect sense that it would be that but also fucked at foust hat foust hat so you get to rock one of those you know the fousts and dmc four they're the assholes with the like blood-borne hats that they float around and they're super durable so now you can rock one of those yourself it is a white cowboy hat with evil little eyes that gives you a big sparkly red scarf with sparkles on it which is not completely unlike the foust body itself but more importantly it lets you fucking jojo your shit much more importantly than even that daunte is not a flamboyant cowboy no i saw a tweet last week
Starting point is 01:44:51 and i believe it that this is a direct response you think this is a direct response daunte is not you think flamboyant gay cowboy oh isn't he okay look at this we gave him a cowboy hat and he does little dances and poses and shit it's so precise that it kind of has to be daunte being a gay cowboy i think that's kind of what they want yeah nothing like having like ire for the people you hired to make a game for you he said it's one of his favorite dmcs yeah right i know but still it like so the people working on dmc are not the people who hired that team to work on double may cry true enough so like it was in a fune you know sooner literally was that makes more sense now he literally said like that dmc double may cry is one of his favorites and they also said the team wanted to make dmc
Starting point is 01:45:43 two instead of dmc five and capcom said fuck you wow in that same interview yeah he said the team was originally thinking about making dmc two like dmc double may cry two jesus christ but then the the way the wigs up in the big they were like get shut up okay make a fucking sequel thank god and then they were all like okay yeah sure thank god for big wigs then yeah the guys that initiated it to begin with sometimes the the smart people can be wrong or they can just have ears and hear the yelling um but but uh all that to say that like yeah so fast hat is possibly a massive form of shade yes being thrown at uh ninja tam we also have balrog which is the punchy kicky uh ifrit gloves and feet the woolly weapons the woolly weapons um yeah they don't have any
Starting point is 01:46:45 gameplay with it oh they do but they're they're like there's there's a real theme with a bunch of dante's weapons in this game where they are multiple weapon sets in one weapon like you switch between punches and kicks you switch between the different types of cerberus weapons it just makes me happy so dante they they talked about this you can set it as loadout however you want you're allowed to have as many swappable items so ostensibly you could have rebellion sparta balrog with two forms cerberus with three forms and cavalier with two forms all on the wheel at once yeah that's dante dante's always been about having it all now having all of that feels is probably unmanageable but you could if you wanted dante's dante's always been about having
Starting point is 01:47:37 it all you know um and doesn't even necessarily means the end of his like moveset at the end of the day though to work that in you don't the thing with dante is all that freedom is not it's all for style it's not for necessity no your rebellion is enough but certain enemy types sometimes do require you to switch to certain things right because you know like there's enemies in four that are like oh yeah this is made for nero and if you're not nero then you gotta fucking figure it out yeah yeah um and yeah cats cavalier are and then all the other shit there you go so fucking yeah man this feels like the convention blowout of most of dante's stuff so that the next time they show the game they can talk all about v uh yeah yeah yeah yeah and v's weird shenanigans
Starting point is 01:48:28 and and the the drip feed for this game is like just moveset drip feed which is like so games don't do that yeah games haven't done this in a while and the fact that they're doing it means they know what we want and it makes me really happy maybe but that's not fair but then they just do a stream and they show you what the characters functions are you know we're getting moveset drip feed man something really wild they also showed off the introduction to the game which looks great but it has nero say something very bizarre to nico uh her name is nico goldstein yep um so how do you feel about saving the guy who killed your dad because apparently her dad is agonist from dmc4 bug doctor fucked now goldstein no her dad that would be his mom
Starting point is 01:49:21 mom wait her grandma made evenie and ivory her grandma is now yes her dad is agnes oh so her kid got into the demon mel's kid fucked agnes and that's where she came from that's weird or should i say weird for the sake of my research fuck that guy also but yeah he's a big nerd remember yeah and that will also think about how fucking like casually he fucking gets it from dante yeah like that's gonna be weird yeah unless she hated him or she hated him just like lady to hate the lady and lady and yeah it's that no she even says it in the cutscene she's like whatever he left me and my mom to be evil oh perfect okay makes sense good that's a why everyone has to be related why series why tie that in everyone has to be the son or the daughter or the former lover
Starting point is 01:50:26 or the fucking dad of somebody in this series because don't make cries about family it is actually it is but it's like the person who made a video and ivory's kid hooked up with the guy who obsessed over yvato and then what's the point of that plot wise you know so that it's the family it's it's it's i i don't i don't like when like the tiny concentric circles of connections get smaller and smaller and smaller and to the point where you can't possibly make them any tighter there are no new characters in devil may cry even nero is just virgin too i mean really he's now now he's not even wearing red anymore all right if if v turns out to just be like you fucking you know who else he kind of looks like lady if v turns out to just be like oh i'm i'm fucking agnes
Starting point is 01:51:21 his kid too no he's gonna be he's gonna be ladies uh young brothers lady yeah that's what i'm saying like no not agnes sorry i'm i'm arkham yeah i'm just arkham's kid oh yeah you didn't mention it yeah don't worry about it yeah she was he banged my mom on the way to the temana grew with uh with the virgil then then then then lady they had a pit stop over in in fortuna down same age as nero there's a there's a flashback we can walk well yeah god damn it fucking full fuck fucking arkham virgil and agnes hanging out of the fucking titty bar saying we should get some hookers bam bam bam boom new generation and then if any of those characters hooks up with anyone else then we just got one big family yeah the family's bigger now hey so um i don't know families may cry if
Starting point is 01:52:11 this is relevant to you matt or maybe you'd know but that that killer puzzle game is coming to switch which killer puzzle game friday the 13th killer puzzle that means does that mean that matt is coming to switch yeah that's a question possibly i'm somewhere in there but it's oh i seen some people going why the fuck can you do this it's so confusing why can you release this with this loss going on i don't know they they tricked them and they hit it maybe because this what this game was made for ios before this lawsuit became a thing so maybe that's a loophole we're just porting it we're not making anything new but who knows but yeah maybe if the all the guest characters are there then you get all you get is like a million uh jason's it was like 12
Starting point is 01:53:01 different jason skins and everyone else is like guys you just kill but it's cool it's a really good really fun puzzle game like i recommend it like it worked great on the switch like they their other game um uh slayaway camp is the exact same thing fun gory cute puzzler so i'm glad it's getting a little bit more uh out there but yeah dude sorry there's a family we forgot yeah i i'm yeah no for real there's another family i'm really sorry but the whole time we were talking about this i'm thinking about i'm thinking about arias and i'm thinking about lucha lucha and her and her grandma you know lucha is probably in the game right of course yeah we talked about that we talked about this yeah the lipstick the lipstick there's a monster that has a weird lower face that
Starting point is 01:53:48 looks just like lucha's face she's got the same lipstick and trish and lady apparently get eaten by bosses and then they get barfed out afterwards so one of lucha's just there and which which which would then mean that like her grandma who fought alongside sparta yeah is fucking there's another family you gotta fucking tie into the whole shit did you imagine if they just just brought lucha in and he's like oh man i was really down when we oh and i last saw you and she's like yeah you're really moody i mean to be honest i'm waiting for the name drop of uraburras corporation oh fucking that thing's dead like are they ever gonna even bother you know you know what i'm waiting for yeah for one of the bosses to be trevally to be bolverk or trez magic tries magion
Starting point is 01:54:31 which are the two actually cool bosses from that game then one thing they're gonna have to acknowledge is is um the the main demon what's his name uh spare body like the the one that daunte drives into hellfire uh for um what's the guy's name i he fights the despair embodied after beating argosax argosax argosax yeah but he kills it but then it opens up the portal no he kills argosax and then the despair embodied comes out of argosax and then he kills the despair embodied and he rides into hell he goes yeah who i'm gonna ride in the hell and kill all the demons and that's the last time you see him do it like his daddy did yeah so you mentioned in a food day before and just thinking about dmc and like seeing the screen screenshot that's always on the tv it's like
Starting point is 01:55:15 in a food a really held the company back he almost for a generation yeah everything that we have complained about capcom in the past five years what you can trace back to in a food a or lasting effects even after he stopped making these decisions like they rippled throughout the company for a long time so the thing that but the thing with it that's that's like it's the big i guess you can debate it but it's like turning to the west wasn't universally an awful idea but for a lot of properties it didn't work out 99 of the time it was it were in a lot of cases it didn't work out but like which one did it work out and for capcom uh strider
Starting point is 01:56:00 continue uh was that bar on a commander worked out well once when did he actually leave you got a commander real true okay continue yeah yeah like yeah i don't know if it's the rippling effect scale downloadable games is what you're saying yeah also though i just like i also think that like um dead rising too i guess the willingness to to work on a global scale is also like that's a good thing for a company it is but it's more than that it's like but a lot of it didn't work out also reboot these things yeah which is actually the main problem so there's a lot going on outside of the game is not being good but like the main like a secondary problem is let's make dmc let's make a horrible version of rest well the other like let's trust the
Starting point is 01:56:51 western company is not a bad thing to me that that that should be like it was you know in a fune's particular desires fed into capcom's long-standing idiocy which is this game sold five million copies what a disappointment and in a fune goes you know how i would have sold 10 million like the call of duty if ninja theory made it okay well he wasn't the only one on that ridiculous no but he was he was the person in control there was a lot there was there was a whole lot of people on that fucking board that made that same stupid statement it reminds me of square annex a little while ago when bravely defaulted well octopath did well and they're like oh it turns out people really like traditional japanese games it took a while for them to remember
Starting point is 01:57:33 west yeah took a while to remember the shocker but it's like everyone was like all all japan was seeing like a huge downturn in business in terms of like you know games being sold or whatever and it's like what sold the most are a five a game that you guys made what sold the worst not the worst but like fucking operation raccoon city was like one of the biggest misfires resident evil could ever do it's because you're looking at the yeah all right because it's because it's that it's that i mean we we've talked about it till we're blue in the face but you know the analysis of the video games industry and going look at all this money in the cards look at all this money in the blobs the blobs and why can't we get part of that money what do we need to do well the money's
Starting point is 01:58:20 in our industry why can't we have fun so then you're like let's not even the blobs is getting that money anymore well then let's turn what we have into the blobs or the cod and hope that it works that money's not yours so here's the never get that here's the thing never gonna get it never gonna never gonna get it we are now old enough to have seen this for every fad genre that has literally ever existed in video games it has now been going longer than it hasn't yeah no i'm talking the Atari i'm talking ripoffs of pac-man i'm talking shit like that that hey guess what it's not pac-man nothing was ever gonna be pac-man except maybe miss pac-man i'm not talking about the Atari version of pac-man well when the when the when the ripoff is fun then it becomes a genre
Starting point is 01:59:09 right but then but then the bit the okay let's let's go back to the first the first call of duty explosion super game that spawns a whole genre that starts with years of ripoffs and a street fighter too right are any of you ever going to be street fighter too no mortal like you could say mortal combat and mortal combat was different enough but it was and mortal combat money was based on competition and being next to street fighter too yeah like literally next but like for everything that he does wrong cliffy b is right by saying you there's enough room for like two or three yeah which is ironic is two and it could be the two competitors and a third alternative choice saw it with fighting games we saw it with shooters sorry we saw it with fighting games so
Starting point is 01:59:57 with rpg's we saw it with shooters we shot fucking sought with uh fucking battle royale we saw it with mobas we saw it with mmo's i mean racing games even before mobas you know and but and but and before um uh counter strike and whatnot the the the it thing i remember when i was in school was like fucking starcraft and yeah you know well yeah we saw with rts rts there was blizzard there was westwood and then there was a third weird one that you might play if you weren't playing command and conquer you were playing starcraft even even horror games there was resin evil and there was silent hill and there was that one other weird franchise that you might like that could have been successful there was changed that with a bunch of them there was quake and there was unreal
Starting point is 02:00:44 there was boom and there was wolfenstein those are years apart though yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's it's when you're when you're new come in when you want to go big and be the mega hit you can be the ultimate mega hit like fortnite you can be the pretty big mega hit like pub g or you can fight for scraps but it's like the weird thing with all my cries that you had no competitor you were the number one with a bullet easy in the character action genre because you made a weird thing by mistake yeah the only thing you could say comes close as bayonetta and those were years apart yeah so and bayonetta's no sales threat don't make cry you know like um so the the fucking kart racer genre has like no real number two slot yeah it's mario kart and there's only room
Starting point is 02:01:33 for power gap and then sega all-stars yeah and then there's years between those and then the third one would be people saying crash team racing yeah and diddy kong gets in there somewhere and then racer whatever what you know like yeah but there but really there is only it's always baffling when a company goes to switch genres they go our horror game is only the top in its field what if it was the top of a different genre different different fields and then someone goes but it's not that genre well what if we made it that genre well then you get to be the loser of the shooter genre how many people are watching the super bowl many how many people came out to our little league game not as many but those are sports fans that we don't have we should change our little
Starting point is 02:02:29 league game into a ripoff of the super bowl and then we'll get millions of dollars that is a fantastic analogy but it's i feel so crazy because we've we've had the podcast going for what four years five years we've all we've seen it with mmo's with mobas and now with battle royale right there's gonna be a new one in two years that the same exact fucking thing happens like i feel like this stupid process is getting faster but at least certain companies are i guess they have people in decision-making positions now and fans like people are like us and or are a bit older than us have been around to see the stupid shit like if you say you're 40 years old right so there's places where it's not going to be happening as much even though investors will always be a part
Starting point is 02:03:24 of this you're 40 years old you work in the games business in a place where you get to make this decision you know everything that we're talking about and you have seen dozens of companies throw themselves onto the rocks to try and get that cod blobs crash against me and be broken yes the cod shores the blob shores or just blank now it's whatever genre now it's fortnite shores yeah oh man the blob shores fucking anyway so one of those companies that appears to have a head on its shoulders and is making good decisions is devolver digital yes yeah they just announced the game called observation i saw this this looks super interesting it sure does so this makers of stories untold which
Starting point is 02:04:13 i've never played but everyone has said is very good i love devolver because they cast a wide net with weird shit yep and uh so observation is a sci-fi thriller game coming spring 2019 and uh they gave out some details alongside this little trailer but it seems to be your girl in space i read that you play as the ai in the in the space station you're watching yo you're right sorry yeah yeah yeah the oh my god and the ai is named um no no the ai is named um god it's not not hal but sam it's named sam yeah and yeah you are you are the ai are right it's it's it's a it's a god damn sequel to lifeline no you're a guy in a booth yeah you're yelling at her you're not an ai you're yelling at her in a in a bad japanese accent yes um so yeah stories untold uh
Starting point is 02:05:18 basically looks fascinating announced this and set on board an earth orbiting facility observation sees players taking control of sam assisting dr emma fischer after a mysterious event damages the station and seems to have caused the rest of the crew to vanish cool there's also a small matter with a rogue signal with a simple message saying bring her that's fascinating sci-fi horror in the space is terrifying i like it i'm a fan and this is just like announced like today yeah very fresh it's cool yeah a lot of it says that um uh you're doing puzzle solving as part of the game um a lot helping her like unravel the mystery and such but i guess horror puzzles i like how once a year devolver will have a game that looks like devolver shouldn't be publishing
Starting point is 02:06:14 it i know exactly what you mean like what that's too that's too bad that's way too fancy observation what's the other you know it you played it um absolver yeah even before that shadow warrior again that's something that i'm like wow you're publishing that absolver um shows it's it's like limitations a little a little quickly though in terms of like devolver it's not a huge game devolver revolver but you're right yeah big 3d fancy thing you're like what that's not devolver it's like oh shit it is we can do it spring 2019 right alongside minutes and uh metal wolf chaos exactly exactly that's a big three cast your fucking net wide if one of them blows up it's fine what a fucking company see them throwing some piss on rock star what'd they do a little bit
Starting point is 02:07:10 when rock star was like there's absolutely no pc version of red dead two plans um devolver's twitter account was like hey rock star we'll port the game for you or we can even send you some free dev kits for the pc if i remember correctly rock star declined to reply i am uh we've got the announcement that they're gonna wait a year and a half and double dip us just like how they did with red dead redemption well more like how they did with gta after enough so we've got details about john fravro's new star wars show yeah oh yeah the mandalorian i saw a photo and it looks like a boba fat that's a mandalorian yeah uh yep so there's an episode of this show that's going to be directed by taika watiti so okay so yeah they released i'll watch that one so they released uh
Starting point is 02:08:08 the list yeah they released the first screenshot and then they released a list of directors uh associated with the show 10 episodes did they say thanks so yeah they said like miniseries yep so directors include um okay well producer and actor john fravro uh and then uh dave philoni the clone wars star wars rebels directing the first episode and then uh jessica jones director deba chow uh dope director rick fem yeah i don't know i bet he planned that femu i'm gonna direct dope and then everyone will call me the dope director rick um soulmates i also am unfamiliar with brice dalis howard and then yeah taika watiti thor ragnarok so i want him to be in it this character was my favorite part of thor ragnarok
Starting point is 02:09:00 i i wanted to be that god damn rock monster also saw that this this is told to be it takes place uh before the first order exists okay after the fall of the empire so the this is this is a different guy or like the sarlacc spit up boba fett's armor there's someone else this is someone else the mother god boba fett's double kid yeah there's many of them around yeah there's still gotta be a couple um you know these sets remind me of will it reminds me of like fucking mortal combat conquest where they're always at the trading post and they always yeah these sets yeah like it's a tv show it's got a less budget for sure in a in in mortal in mortal combat tv uh like i want to say 80 percent of every episode takes place at the same fucking the same shitty little
Starting point is 02:09:54 spot uh yeah but hey how like how cool would it be if if like under that mask this was kando the mando no that doesn't make sense that was a million years ago now under the mask is just a box art of masters of terrace kaze they're gonna name drop it again they're better they're gonna better i'm all about this shit they're gonna say i'm so in try to remember the basics of terrace castle please mara jade you're only hope so remember when um no telltale kept on 25 employees to finish off are they still keep that doesn't sound right that sounds like they actually said that and then fired all of them telltale said they kept on 25 employees to finish their obligations to stuff like minecraft okay so how'd that go no uh let's ask let's ask uh one of the
Starting point is 02:10:48 folks themselves necro no that's that's the halloween name whatever that's their name that's the really name for myself hey remember how they were going to be a skeleton crew staying on for a while and i was a part of it nah jk we all just got laid off too yay but did they get severance pray no uh no one did wow telltale's management seems to just be trying to one up themselves on the the shit plate so the speculation is that because they left they left they fired the rest of those people that were on board for the minecraft story mode stuff which is also probably not going to wrap up nope um breaks their agreement with netflix the thought process is that this was to deal with whatever remaining overhead existed because they're about to get sued boy are they by everyone who
Starting point is 02:11:35 didn't get their severance pay and everyone that's filing for wrongful termination lawsuits uh and good luck to them it's getting fucking ugly it deserves to get ugly you want to roll into the i sure will because alongside this announcement uh and this is you know what like i do have to say like um shout outs to industry people for immediately sort of stepping in because the moment this news announcement came out there was that initial reaction of yay yeah more thing fans yay right um telltale was like we want to try to figure out how to finish off the final season of uh clementine you know a bit of a good way to do that not fire everyone well yeah but we saw that graph the money right uh so so that that was a thing and and and like there's
Starting point is 02:12:30 like we're working on a thing we're working on a thing and uh we just got announced at new york comic con that skybound games acquires telltale's the walking dead and will finish the final season now now skybound is owned by robert curtman yes that's his company the creator of the walking dad was it not co-creator in the cards for this to happen to begin with i don't know like i like i don't understand the intricacies of this deal because it only seemed like skybound telltale and that's who was i i bet you i bet you the conversation was happening but was not settled that the ink hadn't dried you know so they wouldn't they couldn't announce it officially yet and plus when things go when companies close down things go fast i have no idea how skybound and
Starting point is 02:13:09 robert curtman are not suing telltale for breach of their contract of not finishing the game that they just now have or at least i don't know how they could not be constantly wagging their fingers in disapproval at the net flex for the minecraft thing just have a better deal so the the real question is uh is like even if they did like and after this lawsuit is what's left of those coffers going to be able to pay out their obligations because minecraft is absolutely is absolutely in the same situation and i'm sure that um stranger things is in that same situation and because there's a bunch of things that were just like left out hey we made deals with you to make it why aren't you making it unless the contracts had stipulations that say how can you
Starting point is 02:13:57 possibly if we go out of fucking business we can't honor our deals yeah they can pay their shareholders but they can't honor their deals or their employees so what a bunch of so the story here besides the fact that like uh the walking dead is going to get finished and and the storyline and whatnot that that that uh news when it first came out was like yay people were happy to see that and then there was a lot of industry people that stepped in and went guys uh the fact that the people that worked for them didn't get their severance pay is way more important than video finishing off this video game now i say this is a person who spends his whole life thinking about video games and he's on a video game podcast these people not having jobs is more important than
Starting point is 02:14:37 our video games and i don't know what the situation is because they said they're gonna contract out former telltale devs to do this if that is not if the ink is right not on that it's like don't take that deal if you are not getting properly competent yeah right obviously i appreciate that you want to see the end of clementine's epic journey but fuck that don't don't do it just for that also i hope there's something in place for those employees that do take this deal also quite frankly if you're going if you're one of those former employees and you see you have another opportunity somewhere that's a full-time thing that does not have a foreseeable end why wouldn't you take that instead so so the idea that like some of these uh laid-off employees uh would you
Starting point is 02:15:24 know hold off on getting another job in order to finish this shit off is crazy as well so i'll tell you this is a very similar example is that i'm currently working on a episode of what happened for the splatterhouse remake yeah which for for anybody that knows had like a pretty simple thing that's like oh the mean publisher took the game away from a developer but polygon uh near the start of the year like talk to the people directing like this is what happened so one of those things was crazy guy at the head of development ignores everything namco wants him to put in the game and multiple times every milestone they're like how come you're putting in shit that we didn't want and he's like i'm gonna put it in next bill no don't worry and then they said fuck it you're not
Starting point is 02:16:09 doing it they pull it away everyone starts to get fired one of the guys goes i got um accepted uh from rock star san diego to work for them and then they plead the guy like hey we're gonna make a skeleton crew of 25 people can you please finish this game with us you're super talented he goes fine i'll walk to rock star and say i'm not taking the job because i really want to finish this wow what a hero wow that's stupid because then you just all got fired at the end anyway but he wanted to finish that journey so i get people wanting to finish clementimes probably much more emotional journey than that of rick taylor and getting naked pictures of his girlfriend there's a lot of there's a lot of goddamn stories in the games that are very similar
Starting point is 02:16:59 about people who like get burnt out after 10 years and they go work in software development yeah or corporate development yeah all they go hey i go to work nine to five and come home and i'm done and i don't get fired yeah there's dude like oh god qa so now i'm gonna get you i'm getting fucking flashbacks because it's like you are disposable well here's the other thing though right there's a system in place that uh a lot of companies use that is more or less what you're describing yeah where it's like we're relying on your passion you know hope you've got a lot of passion despite our unbelievably stupid decisions management we're relying on your passion to see things through because without it things like crunch don't happen and we can't hit the finish line
Starting point is 02:17:48 and the other thing so we're relying on that passion which will burn out because you care but as you but like and as much as you care you're fucking destroying yourself on the inside because you're seeing how like because you care you can do this better in different ways but management decisions just get in the way and don't let that happen um i have a story that i was just telling uh you know my girl about this weekend but like bring up your point because it's like well luckily once that passion burns out and you quit there's about a hundred new idiots willing to take your spot that also minimum wage yeah so you know i was talking about burn them all out we're we're talking we're talking about like like you know the just after seeing that i'm like
Starting point is 02:18:30 the stupidity of the sony deal and the the the the fox deal again yeah you know and whatnot and just going and just thinking about and going back to the days of like um people who don't understand the industry they're in like they're good at producing but they haven't actually done the other roles that are required to make a video game so they come in and they get hired as like like you get we have a producer role we need filled um we hire someone from outside that's a professional producer that comes in and continues to not know how to do that job because uh every time you see that versus someone who was promoted from a different department like someone who came up from dev who came up from qa those people always look out for their team they understand
Starting point is 02:19:17 the process they've done it before and they add production to their skill set and they become invaluable right to the project versus someone who comes in as a professional producer who has produced like ad campaigns but doesn't understand creative soda pop at all right but woolly why would you want somebody who looks out for their team that's going to get in your way when you have to shit can them we have a game that needs whatever um fucking let's say this game needs uh let's 2000 hours of testing right or let's let's simplify it in your lower numbers say 200 hours of testing 200 hours of testing right that's that's ridiculous that would never happen sure whatever all right cool um we propose a five team a five we have five guys
Starting point is 02:20:05 that we were ready to put on and they'll stick with it over the course of weeks months whatever they need to get all those hours in and that'll work also um you know that team can't be moved around to other projects please lock them in officially for that time frame all right we also need some extra time for familiarization because they need a chance to learn what the game is about what it is so they can test them are effective because just touching it for the first time you can't start the timer there you're not testing properly you don't know what you don't even know if it's broken you don't even know what the game is right you need to learn the genre how it works what's in it okay cool also you need to provide us with details what's unlockable what's hidden
Starting point is 02:20:41 is there secret shit that we miss that we don't even know after beating game it's supposed to unlock right now and so on and so forth right uh okay cool how long is the game games about 30 hours okay great so that team would do it uh yeah producer comes in hey we have a problem time is short we need to be uh out months ahead of when we initially said we were supposed to this isn't gonna work out what's what are we looking at for that time frame well we said that 200 hours okay why don't we instead hire a hundred people for one weekend and have them all test the game for two hours so well okay that mathematically yes it gets us under the contracted 200 hour mark isn't how it works though because you get nothing out of that
Starting point is 02:21:31 no we're getting the amount of hours you said we needed you said we needed this amount of time this amount of people for this one thing and then we're gonna let them go afterwards but they're coming in as temporaries they can do that fine you can get what you need to out of that no no no no they're not actually testing they're not like furthermore when you add the process of familiarization you're getting like 15 minutes into the game before anything happens like what are you talking about right no no no but this should this should be fine though this is a 30 hour game what they can only you're getting all dev time on the first two hours so all of qa is freaking out and all of dev is freaking out and everybody that's screaming at the producer going this is
Starting point is 02:22:04 stupid please make them not do this and the producer who came from that department will know how to be like oh my god guys yeah okay i got this don't worry and step in and fucking take that the one who doesn't who comes from outside will be like no that's what management said to do and they'll be like hey management i'll talk to those guys i'll let them know so they pick a side and kind of come down and draw the lines on one side or the other and you fucking see this shit happen and then it carries out and then guess what it goes fucking terribly and then if the game even manages to pass submission it becomes a piece of shit and everything happens and everyone goes down or whatever how come qa dropped the ball on this okay and so everyone
Starting point is 02:22:36 who's there in qa that is like literally like trying to care about what this game is and and putting themselves into it sees these types of decisions and go we can't save this we can't fix that type of scenario right and then the fucking like the the the the ashes are now like like laid out to waste they've become mud and then months later after the failure producers come by and they'll be like okay guys so we saw what happened there that didn't work out we know that you know we need to make some changes so here's what's gonna happen how can we use those hundred testers more effectively how can we make that two hours that they're spending what what what what are the tools we need to give those hundred testers a more effective two hours
Starting point is 02:23:28 fuck this it's like fuck all of this right and you're sitting there and you care about the project yeah you stupid idiot the worst part you dumbass how dare you invest yourself so what you're saying is the only way to avoid this is for the head of qa to go listen guys it's time to crunch to actually fix this and then everybody crunches and then everybody burns out but you see there is no fix from miles away from months away but you're still doing the best you can with the nothing you it's the fucking worst the game business is a special kind of fucked up and broken and it is baffling to me that there is no unionization for it currently like the way the way that people get fired in the in that business like there are ways to avoid like the reason why
Starting point is 02:24:19 people get fired in the games business is really simple you build up the team for a game game ships there's no game for them to work on right now what are you gonna pay them for not working okay fire right then rehire for the next game so if you just started your fucking pre-production earlier and had a better streamline process you could keep your people on but that's hard it also requires again people coming in that have done that before that have that experience as opposed to being professional producers which not to say they're all like that but in my experience it's been rough going when you don't have someone that can step in and actually say i've been there i know what you're asking i'm immersed in this cultural what you're asking higher ups is actually
Starting point is 02:25:04 impossible and you know like the thing about like unionization for the games business that you would worry is that the threat of outsourcing to china india brazil etc right we just had a conversation about how capcom almost buried itself by taking their japanese games from their japanese devs and giving them two decent western devs let alone like you can't just out people would taste the field i promise you you can taste it i promise you that qa and particularly outsourced qa is uh a thousand percent the kind of industry that would pull a walmart you know where walmart's like oh people are starting to union i would rather shut that store down yeah right clean house start again absolutely willing to do that well i guess it's up to everyone to do it all once then because
Starting point is 02:25:55 you're hiring disposables right and also like you're being competitive and whether you're one cheap rate or another cheap rate i remember um when a part of my job was creating the training program for uh a studio that was being opened up in india and it was basically going okay how do we create all your training your replacements and how do we create a system to like you know hire people for qa for this role and do this stuff and it was it was like a weird thing where it was like a culture test to see like hey do the people here know these video game references do they know enough about video games in general are the people we hiring coming from you know like a background similar to the ones that qa testers are have to have over here and uh and also how relevant is
Starting point is 02:26:44 that to testing well an experience it turned out to be extremely relevant because not knowing video games and history of it means that you're not saying why the grandmasa would get hard now and then would wash out and so uh you know i remember creating that test and then handing it off and then uh we got a back under like yeah uh tons of failures across the board lots of people coming in trying it out not working out because you know they don't know the they haven't been playing video games their whole life so that they're not gonna know a lot of this stuff they're not gonna know what to look for in certain situations cool can you lower the difficulty can you make this easier well but you want effective testing don't you yes but we can't we're not finding people
Starting point is 02:27:26 to hire it with enough like of a lower threshold on this i want everything in one bag but i don't want the bag to be heavy well do you want the testing to be good well no yes but really but really no really no and so this this conversation we just want the testing to be cheap and good enough and this conversation goes back and forth a million times because they can't say no we watch we want people that don't we want bad testers you know what i mean they're never gonna say that no of course but but you're gonna business speak it over the course of 15 emails till eventually it's like just generalize and make the thing and i'm like okay i get it i get it and you don't seem to care so why should i congratulations you've broken it down to the point where yeah i don't
Starting point is 02:28:10 care anymore either what do you want that's awesome you want me to drop that difficulty down sure something's got to change because the game business can only go on being known as like one of the shittiest industries to work in for creatives for long enough you know there's gonna be a point where those new applicants go to film to movie to to music whatever to art like you know it needs new blood all the time but if it becomes known yeah the games business is the worst business to work and don't work in it it's not the worst business to work in no but it's creative it's not if you're mega successful yeah yeah you could never get better not be not mega successful you could never get fired from your mega successful job as the director of a decade old franchise that
Starting point is 02:28:57 your name is closely associated with it's impossible who could ever fire a creative director like that and lock them in their fucking office for eight months that's just ridiculous once you get high and up in this industry you have all the power you you started a long ass segue and didn't give me a chance to prepare for it oh i'm sorry you could you could create gears of war you'll never be a failure you could create obviously the person i'm talking about is Hideo Kojima yeah yeah the fact if Hideo Kojima can just get fucking fired outright everyone in that business can be fired outright for no reason oh i'm sorry i thought you were transitioning into another story but i wasn't what the fuck story are you talking about uh there was a changing of the
Starting point is 02:29:48 guard somewhere but don't worry about it i'm not worried about it um yes no exactly there's no there's there is no if Hideo Kojima has no job security is there you have no job security it can be a moto has job security because he'll just do like he'll say yes okay well if you're if you're at a company where they've asked you to run it and you've said no yeah you get security yeah because they're they're afraid of losing you also like hey if you work at i don't know like mojang you're probably pretty comfortable have you seen those offices they're crazy and unlike konami nintendo will never not be in the games business for konami he's like can we maybe stop making games let's try that but whatever there's a castlevania website portal now so everyone's
Starting point is 02:30:40 like oh yeah castlevania is back it's fucking not it's not there's a tv show they're re-releasing the things they already have they're never gonna make anything new i hear you satan but have you considered my servant pachinko uh i don't want to talk about that i was just don't you want to talk about uh the fred durst attack yeah i didn't catch that what okay matt i'm let me ask this holy a man rushed on stage to a fred durst concert to attempt to dropkick fred durst now now wait wait hold on do you think that a the dropkick failed and the man looked the buffoon b nailed the dropkick and fred sold it really well or three nothing happened and this dropkick stories a lie hold on a second because neither of you mentioned no no no he looked at it no
Starting point is 02:31:38 neither of you that was gonna be the surprise i think we started looking it up before we really said anything oh my god please tell me this is as sad as it sounds do you think that it was a a random fan be an x-lover or c shaggy too dope of the insane clown puffy look at this screenshot doesn't get close to hitting him i was expecting a nero andante style full on boots to the face when you say dropkick this appears to be way behind him and fred not noticing he was kind of leaning over which caused both of the feet to just completely miss lim bis gets set at rock allegiance festival in camden new jersey and saturday night was briefly interrupted after the insane clown posse shaggy too dope reportedly rushed to stage in an attempt to dropkick fred
Starting point is 02:32:37 let me do the next part shaggy was ultimately unsuccessful as this kicklander short of durst body he was immediately confronted by security and a fight ensued on the side of the stage for his part durst didn't seem to recognize that shaggy was his assailant what a pussy he couldn't even pull it off durst remarked before telling security to calm down it's just one guy wow wow fuck the results of uh habib khabib versus mcgregor this is the real the ufc right here so i did not know but apparently fred durst and icp have like decades of bad blood 20 year long feud apparently oh my god well fred wins this round for sure by doing nothing i mean i didn't know he was still performing anyway there's footage of it from many angles so you can go try
Starting point is 02:33:33 to watch shaggy too dope aka some dick bag so violent jay starts a consumer advocacy show to warn people about buying bad fur suits with his daughter shaggy attacks fred durst we can all agree now that violent jay is the more responsible violent jay insane clown posse member to be violent jay hero dad shaggy too dope crazed assassin okay but how does the drop kick bring the bring the juggalos closer to jesus that's what i'm trying to figure out i don't know you've been saying some weird shit lately oh dude no that i don't believe you know po d insane it's one of those posse's all about the lord dude no it is you missed this the dark carnival it is about god so how does the first suit awareness bring those closer to the footprints in the sand that carried
Starting point is 02:34:33 you you know how do we get how do we get jesus when i was walking i only say one set of prints and then jesus says that's where i picked you up to throw you at fred durst that's when jesus put the juggalo makeup on as i say there are no fucking juggalos in jerusalem juggalo christ you don't know that you don't know that are you sure i know that if you're a juggalo in jerusalem right now please write into the email that we will have later i hate you like bedlacle jerusalem i'm sure there's one or two right now oh that's what you meant yeah that's different don't mean right now there's probably one juggalo per country at least anywhere fego is sold yeah which is most towns when the one when our lord and savior was stabbed with the fucking lance
Starting point is 02:35:33 fego bled out of his body and everyone loved it and longinus sucked upon the fego as he painted his face was longinus the first juggalo some may say to this day do you see the painting of the last supper and you know putting the makeup you know i mean like who's to say that like cavalry and the mountain yeah was not the first gathering of the juggalo it's possible you never know the first gathering yeah was around that cross was it not totally but but the icp had the fucking fighting game with the strippers and that's not god whatever it's the long con listen jesus pushed the rock over and there was a guy playing with magnets in front of him and jesus looked upon that and said i don't understand that shit how's it work that's a miracle
Starting point is 02:36:28 and he pointed at it and that was a miracle see for a long time we've known judas as the trader but we didn't know this last name judas durst no i was gonna say violent judas judas durst that's too dope that's where it started all right because fred durst is super into god enough he wears like jesus jesus all those rap rock rock groups are they're all secret christian bands uh maybe lincoln park was i bet evanescence is actually super about jesus yeah i know they're all like they have well there's like a gory and chant song i don't know but i feel like they're all like a cult there's super into jesus and donkey conga that's true that's true more i think they're trying to convert people to donkey conga more than anything from like a photo that's like
Starting point is 02:37:18 15 years old i love this story so much this is like a gift if if he had hit him no one would be talking about this your lord and savior in fact that he missed well no people talking about it wouldn't be as funny it wouldn't be as funny the fact that fred just looks confused he's like what did someone try and drop it again anyway i don't know why it happens every time that but we're trying we're but like it is the truth that you need to believe that the lord your lord and savior was down with the clown the problem is that you're just saying it he's down with the clown okay from day one they released a bunch of albums that was like the foot what was it the fucking joker's deck or some shit like that great melenco uh and it was all it was all building up
Starting point is 02:38:03 to something and then the fucking last one came out and the buildup was that it was about god because the people that they always uh fucking sang about murdering and shit and their songs they're all drug dealers and corrupt cops and bad people that they should kill for god and it was about jesus and the lord and then they put out that fucking magnets shit which was all miraculous nonsense how do fucking magnets work the lord will tell you if we turn to daniel seven we can read about some sick beasts rising up out of the ocean but it's like that kind of smacks of let's just be like delinquents and let's just talk about fucking blunts and kicking people in the balls or whatever the fuck they sing about yeah but then later when they're old like fucking 40 year old fart knockers
Starting point is 02:38:48 they're all like oh he gotta find jesus now let's wet con our older that's what it sounds like you know what and you know what you could be right but we'll never know we'll never you'll just have to take or you to say a band can't retcon their band bands you just can't say they just gotta take shaggy too dope and violent jay's word at face value i have fucking you have to trust those crazy old clown man they sing about blunts and kicking everything's for a reason the drop kick is for a reason you ever see them fucking commentating their own goddamn wrestling matches what a fucking shit show that is it's a mess so was dean melenco like a member of them that's really weird why did they why were they involved with the dean melenco is one of the most straight shooting like
Starting point is 02:39:37 i have nothing about me type dudes ever because there was a whole great melenco thing that they were all about for a while man what we got next i'm tired 13 million 13 million people health 13 million juggalos banned over the past 14 months in pub g oh okay so remember how the other day we talked i mentioned uh pub g and the first thing you said pat was that games unplayable now because it's full of cheaters it's unplayable for a lot of reasons there's there's a little less of them but cheating is out of control when they reach so they region locked the chinese servers and it had the unintended side effect of it got too easy to get banned in china so they started playing on our servers so uh what happened was apparently since june 2017 13 million players have been banned
Starting point is 02:40:36 most were kicked off for using cheat tools and a number uh the numbers are dropping however but yeah they're basically trying to destroy aimbots and they're aggressively every cheat under the sun is available for pub g uh like wallhacks aimbots infinite everything everything possible um and uh you know what fuck it i'll go home i'll play god damn around to pub g tonight and i fucking bet within an hour i will get killed by somebody firing through a mountain because you can you can only ban them so fast it feels like it doesn't like it just doesn't matter something happened around week 42 where a million people got cleaned the fucking oh i can tell you exactly what that is the way they they um do this is they figure out and reverse engineer like one of the cheats like
Starting point is 02:41:29 they go and buy it and they try and reverse engineer it so they can detect what it's doing and that huge million spike is them figuring out what to look for okay it's them going oh if you see this variable it means this thing is on so kill it now my understanding of games like this however is that the longer you seep in the cheat stew uh the more the more the average player who does not cheat feels the need to that's because you can't play otherwise uh the the chinese servers to my knowledge are nightmares and it's like download your cheat and then go play it yeah right and that is fucking awful that's called us when you abandon ship it also causes a situation the longer you stew in the cheats stew the harder it is to fix because now there are people whose jobs are 24
Starting point is 02:42:18 seven to make cheats for pub g that is their livelihood and just because they're cleaning up after this doesn't mean that they're gonna stop yeah i remember that ruined guns the dual for me um was just the inability to stop people from just fucking coming in with whatever the fuck they wanted and it's it's goofy because like in most shooters you would be able to avoid this problem even somewhat because you would get uh a server that you really liked right like oh i go to this battlefield server this day at a feed server this counter strike server and i play with this group of a hundred to two hundred people right but because of the nature of a of a battle royale game you can't do that it wouldn't work you need to have that that mass population which means you
Starting point is 02:43:02 gotta be exposed to the yeah the genre requires it absolutely so um i'm i'm i'm just fucking bug an eye at that number because i remember when the overwatch it was happening and like i don't think it was anywhere near 13 million i don't think it was that high 13 million users is what like any game praise for that anyone looks at them in that direction well fun fact since it's not free to play they they got to keep that money they banned those people right so 13 million people banned at 50 bucks is what 260 million dollars that they just get to keep that's true that's not a free to play game it's true good on you cheaters uh we've got the details came out for that uh killing game for kids remember yes yes buy kids and four kids to kill um so yeah the game uh death march club
Starting point is 02:44:06 is uh they give some more details on it and it is very very much dang and rampa cross zero escape um the setting i believe was given as a bunch of kids that are what grade were they they look quite young super young elementary school wake up in a um theme park and they got a it's a death theme park and they got to kill each other so you just gotta um what are you gonna do not kill your classmates yeah it's not an option gotta get out of the theme park this juggalo told me to for god so i guess the the the question the first thing that comes to mind whenever i see this stuff is like how graphic is it gonna get considering the art style probably really as graphic as it needs to be dang and rampa manages to swerve a lot of its gore despite the fact that
Starting point is 02:45:00 you're walking into bloody crime scenes by doing things but like having um like pink blood instead of red blood and also like there's never as far as to my knowledge there's never corpse dismemberment type things happening there's always like a body intact but just like dead except for there's there's one or two okay yeah there's one or two occasions like there's someone that gets like like eaten by piranhas for example that just like becomes like a cartoon sort of thing um it's the thrashing water but but yeah based on this art style i'm really curious to see like what they do with that so yeah um death march club details but no trailer or anything yet we'll see either way though 999 good ass game dang and rampa good ass game those two coming together probably gonna be a good ass game
Starting point is 02:45:51 um good thing there are no bad dang and rampa games good thing Wallace good thing good thing there are no bad dang and rampa games okay oh wow hellboy poster is that wrong pearl man no i don't care hellboy reboot steven hopper from stranger things hellboy reboot he's the sheriff from stranger things yeah okay we got the poster and it's got the horns out nila jovich plays the villains got the sword and it's got the tagline legendary as fuck all right i'm back out um that's that's a pretty sick poster though just in terms of its visual yeah he's a hell man yeah the horn imagery is always i think it's strong it's strong and then the big glove is the other strong thing so it's like as a
Starting point is 02:46:50 silhouette hellboy is always that's what he silhouettes is what hellboy has going for it quite frankly right yeah that's the biggest thing because mike's art style is very statuesque and everyone's drawn and stuff heavy heavy shadows um as as far as i know what this is really about they're like um while fun uh the creative hellboy was like i like yel more yelmo del toro but i always kind of felt that those movies were very comic booky and not the horror type of darkness that i was always trying to go for so the whole point of this movie is like to make it much more horror based like the 360 game i never even i owned it i never played it right um and that that's the kind of attacks they're going for on this i mean i'm interested in it yeah let me know when you
Starting point is 02:47:39 want to do a bug report oh yeah maybe i i don't remember too much of it though to be honest i'm sure you'll remember you know there's a playstation one hellboy game no well before the movies wow yeah that one uh science of evil or seeds of no that no that's the 360 that's the no or was it no was a psp okay the psp version for sure i that i tested the psp version of seeds of evil or whatever of evil i think it's science of evil yeah that's that's totally that that was it but yeah there's there's a hobo game from playstation one as well it might as well be playstation one quite frankly you know um in theaters april 12 it says but yeah so this is hopper yeah hopper yeah i guess so i can see it now i didn't know that that's who they casted anyway yeah it's
Starting point is 02:48:27 a cool poster uh that's a visual there's actually two other hellboy games hellboy the dogs of the night for in 2000 for the pc no idea then hellboy uh then it was ported to the playstation as hellboy asylum seeker no idea not at all that's no i didn't touch any of those um yeah damn there's there's been hellboy games huh three now i guess technically anyway you see one's different uh yeah and then we got um well just it's a nintendo patent story so you know so make of it what you will but a little gameboy skin case over your touch device good your touchscreen devices which is interesting because my current phone skin is exactly that get fooled and well this actually is a working thing too it's like a real game like i can play touches on this oh okay all
Starting point is 02:49:21 right like it actually does its thing but um yeah it looks like they're making a a thing to put over your smartphone and so that you can actually play god damn video games on it and in in theory the buttons on the opposite side will work functionally and then they'll play get then they'll have games that they can sell honestly if any company has a shot at making this kind of controller thing it's nintendo so this is to play games over your phone instead of playing your phones games so what i imagine this would be is exactly they sell if they want to they could port a bunch of gameboy classic games to phone and then have them have a a gameboy load at layout on your phone screen but then make it so that this overlay uh this this case uh has tactile feedback that lets you
Starting point is 02:50:08 i'm gonna say it then hit those touch buttons is there any gameboy game you'd want to play aside from links awakening or tetris no me anybody gameboy no yeah yeah i'd play metroid too has a much better remake now i'd play um i want to play the old bad one yeah i well okay but i mean what's the question is there is there a better versions or is there things that have never gone anywhere else gba but i'll play tetris attack for gameboy you know like i don't i'm gonna use my superpowered eight hundred dollar smartphone to play fucking gameboy games brand new games that kind of have a gameboy aesthetic it's all be real i'll play power quest i completely forgot power quests off here we go street fighter alpha one the bad one yeah that's what i'm saying yeah
Starting point is 02:50:55 no power course is good though okay i'm sure there's one or two i don't know that terrible ass fist of the north star game that everyone had on launch raging fighter the only gameboy exclusive fighting game i could think of um god pinball peck pokemon pinball is that gb was a gba gameboy color be i'm pretty sure pokemon pinball was gb was gameboy color yeah yeah wario land yeah man there's stuff yeah yeah that's a gameboy there's a million games on that thing no there aren't there's a million good games on that thing okay there are a million games on that thing ghost baby there no there are not gameboy color motherfucker well yeah i was including color no we're talking about the fucking game all right here we go color had like it was different
Starting point is 02:51:46 hardware that's a new system it was fine i will admit there are a million games on the gameboy but when you say there are a million good games on the gameboy i go no uh no other is not that's the gba to me in my mind the gba is is is yes absolutely um but like if we're gonna fucking roll with it then we're rolling with it tetris mario land pokemon lynx awakening you know wow i'm seeing a shit zillion pokemon on there yeah donkey call sonic advance mario card sonic advance huh no that's no that's a yeah good one why is this going into advanced stuff you're crazy yeah am i dude lynx awakening and tetris maybe the first mario land that's right no one's gonna argue that the gba is godlike one of the greatest systems of all time but
Starting point is 02:52:41 there's stuff worth playing oh yeah that fucking gameboy version of donkey kong hell yeah mario land is the shit look at a lot of silence look at this classic fucking list you're looking at this is uh the gameboy gameboy only yeah this is this is a wow what a fucking star studded group of mega classic mario pokemon and and curvy and zelda yeah they are so it's the n64 of handheld the the the lineup of of smash brothers one yeah uh but like tails so like lynx awakening is so good in one of the best zelda game dr fucking mario wired plane but you can play a better version of it elsewhere oh holy shit look kicks is there okay okay okay don't talk shit about kicks i will talk shit don't talk shit about kicks kicks is kicks is fine but she could probably play better versions
Starting point is 02:53:42 of it don't talk shit about kicks yeah millions of good games on it golf there's tons of stuff there's tons of stuff i'd be willing to play monochrome ti 83 docky kong land bad it's it wasn't country it wasn't country oh yeah so amazing yugioh dual monsters battle for oh no wait that's a gameboy color game man i yeah let's look at this game i would definitely dr mario dr mario r type dx more than okay mario's i never liked mario's pickers i'm not fan of that pokemon fucking pinball gameboy color to get in you can play the black and white it's fine there's the color versions of the cartridges where they have the color that supports the ship but you can play the old class you don't have to so it totally counts gargoyle's
Starting point is 02:54:32 quest mega man five buy out a commando elite forces yes the fucking game that buy out a commando elite forces not only has a sniper mode in it but it has a fucking r has a controlled mode where you can use it as a tv remote you can turn your gameboy into a god damn tv remote because it has a mode that lets you change channels and volume and shit but wow right a ghost baby a great game that tv remote is ghost babel probably not on this list but i'm throwing ghost babel in there you are not a fucking liar that is a gameboy advanced game no it's gameboy color whatever that's a different system but it's a different system it it put it pushes games that the regular gameboy can't do super mario land that i'll give you castlevania 2 oh yeah
Starting point is 02:55:21 wow castlevania 2 pokemon gen 2 they've been updated they've been made you get to say the word pokemon once mario deluxe you get to say the word mario wario land three you say the word wario wario land three final fantasy adventure that game sucks metro two again i don't know the oracle of ages and seasons okay gameboy color game boy color game uh off overlook gbc specific duo seasons and ages chemist pretty cathart that is not a gameboy game you can't include those that's so fucking full of shit okay mario land two is is good and it's way better than mario land one that is that is good it is good good you can't be honest mario once i said mario was mario yeah it was a good game anything that has color on this screen you scroll past
Starting point is 02:56:18 yeah all right that doesn't count but look at all these classic gameboy color games you're acting like a bunch of good games wasn't already just listed though set a bunch of good shit classic donkey kong why the fuck not that is not classic donkey kong well that's a totally different well not that that's a fucking tetris yeah there are you're telling me that those are games you would not want to play i'd love to play all the gameboy color versions of that shit that's like three or four actual gameboy games what i'm saying is this for the nintendo patent if they made brand new like little micro games that try to take the charm of the gameboy and it does have a certain charm i'll be down for that but there's only so much you can port where someone would go
Starting point is 02:57:00 why would i play this awful version of pokemon honestly you know what i got confused when i saw the diagram will he post it i thought what it was going to be was a front i thought it was going to be a cover for the front of your phone x to turn it to turn it into a gameboy machine x is the game what game with some of the most the best fucking music ever for the original gameboy it's just called x the song was so fucking good that it made it into smash brothers um um um brawl i believe it was japan japan only 1992 it was super good yeah when did you play that on your gameboy after the fact yeah i fucking bet you did but i'd play it now yeah i bet you would it was good we're sitting on gameboys today yeah we're over it i had a game gear it had color
Starting point is 02:57:49 we're shit well i fucking when i walked into this room and sat down here and hit that button i did not think we would be shitting on fucking gameboys today i am not ready for this boy i am not ready to shit on the fucking gameboy right now on its lack of good exclusive game i was a great system because it had pokemon awakening tetris i am not having it i am not having it tell me the gameboy had tons of great games no it had pokemon i just listened it's awakening everything i just listed i'd be super down to play that those are gameboy color games even though even though not ones even the ones i had to skip because you're stupid ass even those ones i would fucking play how many of those are pokemon you had to dig up a japanese pokemon gen one gen two and and and
Starting point is 02:58:41 pinball yeah pokemon pokemon just one game gen one gen two pinball is not the same game that's one game it's one game it has get mode what okay it has fucking get mode get mode is fun they call it catch mode here but it's g e i can't believe i'm watching here with somebody who would defend the fucking gameboy like have you ever even played pokemon pinball no it is a good pinball game how's it compared to metroid spend metroid metroid's better yeah okay but you know what and then pinouts even better yeah but a good pinball game how's that compared to the windows pinball oh fuck that yeah no and all of that fails in comparison to black knight well that's not fucking fair that's a real kid that's a real fucking machine coming here what else pinball
Starting point is 02:59:24 what else do yeah the pinball gameboy has million fuck i can't even talk other other than apparently the super nintendo was a piece of shit no no for the opposite reason of the gameboy what the game cube says best friend what a ridiculous jump oh just conversation fuck the whole game cube you know say nothing nothing nothing happened that thing ransomed away my resident evil and and was shocking is holy shit increasingly started to also dislike the game holy shit it is so limited oh my god losing my mind i bought a game cube in 10 games and i was done for it forever the whole fucking world's gone crazy you back in the day the whole world's lost its goddamn minds it goes atari nests super nintendo playstation one
Starting point is 03:00:17 playstation two xbox 360 well just to give you a summary we're like there wasn't very many good games on the gameboy what the super nintendo sucks now i'm saying i'm saying classic nintendo is classic fucking nintendo and if we're not talking nes is but the gameboy if we're not if we're not talking colors if we're not talking about the virtual boy you lived in those libraries as much as i did we grew up living in these libraries i never owned a gameboy but i would play it like a friend's gameboy at school a lot and i'm like this is it yeah because how old were you when you made it and this is it decision on the gameboy because anyone only had three games links awakening tetris and mario land for you to say this is it that's as if like the child you
Starting point is 03:01:05 knew what video games would be beyond that every that was but that was a video game really unless you came to it too late but i'd go to the someone's house who has an nes and they got like fucking well you are completely fucking god damn at the time when that was what you got when the gameboy came out i had pirated hundreds of nes games on those fucking super carts at home i had friends that had super nintendo's and you played your fucking game gear yeah how many hours did you get on those six batteries asshole i don't know if you get half a stage into fucking triple trouble i don't know before it died i left the house with it it was always plugged in because hell just sitting next to the fucking wall yeah the only thing what else did you have on your game
Starting point is 03:01:47 gear i had shining force uh-huh go go on i had sonic 2 okay and nothing else oh yeah you know i was a sonic 2 or was it sonic triple trouble no it's not okay they had bad i don't even know what's on sure there is willy there's lots of bad like genesis to game gear port you don't even have five fucking games today because the game here's a piece of shit but you're not here why are you quoting how good the game gear library is i said it had color you say you just yelled out at the top of your voice i played the fucking game gear instead yeah no i said why the fucking game gear and it had color at least it had color for sawn it had blue for sonic it had shining force colors it had real colors yeah it had colors but you had sonic and shining for sort of haja is better than
Starting point is 03:02:31 every game on the gameboy and then and then and then and then you play your one game and you're done yeah it was worth it oh yeah yeah the whole library yeah the whole fucking library oh i don't know there's probably more games to the game gear but i didn't know about them got the i i i am not i'm fucking are the only thing but i'm not ready to come in and shit on the gameboy today willy did you know uh willy did you get hot willy did you have a fucking hot willy did you have an original gameboy i'm getting fucking hot in here did you have he did you know he did well i need him to answer me i had a fucking gameboy what about it how many games you have for it by the end probably like 20 cartridges maybe okay how many of you remember aside from links awakening tetris
Starting point is 03:03:09 and pokemon not you owned not counting color and no no color i mean my friend like i i fucking gave a bunch of shit to my friends i but there was definitely like like dr mario in there and a bunch of mario's good there's a bunch there's a bunch how many bunches not a bar did you have a fond memories of there were bad games in there too i fucking there were definitely bad games in there and you know what all of them were kind of bad in their own way because that fucking hideous monochrome screen okay the monochrome screen wasn't great that's a t a t i it wasn't a great screen it has no it wasn't a fucking great screen but then you fucking you you add in the the the light oh yeah add in oh yeah the flip out yeah what about magnifying glass and you add
Starting point is 03:03:48 the magnifying glass right and then you get the fucking you get the worm light in there okay for real though the the original gameboy was the fucking path i now look back on it was the path to be being a framerate fucking pc monster was it because i remember my friend handing me one because red and blue were out and i played it i'm like this looks like a fucking piece of shit and the monster is going when they when they yell and i was like what the fuck is this crap and i snubbed my nose at pokemon red and blue which i should not have done in hindsight but i did because it was so ugly on that fucking thing look way better on the color it looks so much better 90 like i the majority of my gameboy's life had tetris attack in it or pokemon and it just kind of sat there
Starting point is 03:04:33 attack was even on the original gameboy was gameboy color yep tetris attack was original it was no 100% a normal okay well i am it was a gray cartridge i had i owned it it was on the list it was a normal it was like because if i get it anyway it was one of her hope you're right it was one of the game okay well now we now we have to now we have to because yeah it's totally on the gameboy it was one of the games it's totally on the gameboy just thank you okay yes it was one of the games i owned there as well um and and later on later on definitely color arrows when i i actually had the ability to get more games because i started having money to get those days because that's things like my like back then it was like okay what would my parents buy me and what could i borrow
Starting point is 03:05:14 from my friends and what would my what would i loan my friends and so you kind of like it was a weird thing where my friends would take my games and then i and then i would end up with their games and then we just have a bunch of games for a while the most so it wasn't really so the amount of games you had back then is it wasn't well okay what were the amount of games that you loved man the shit the shit i fucking went down now on that list is pretty solid from what i can remember only released in japan that game that only released in japan that he only played three years ago hey yeah it's great memories amazing memories xx was x was was it was way after the fact but it was fucking good oh man i played this game in 2014 and it transported me back to my childhood
Starting point is 03:05:54 on this piece i couldn't believe i missed it it sounded amazing you missed it because you're not japanese let me also back up by saying is that the gameboy is incredibly important and so much better than the alternative especially early on like 1989 was tiger electronic handheld games and it was so much better than that but it was still so limited and like it was only to me like when i had nintendo power when the gameboy color came out that was when i was like oh shit i want one really bad now and then when they announced the fucking metal gear game oh my god and i never got one and i never got a gba either i the first handheld ever owned the ds and i'll never not want that again i got a ds and i was super happy and i never had a gba so the world opened up to me
Starting point is 03:06:42 yeah and then they could play all the gba games i wanted on it was awesome the dance light removing that port was like sad like like a lot of nintendo like a lot of nintendo things especially handheld their first versions the worst version including the fucking gameboy the gameboy brought me kirby oh you can all go die in a fire well he likes this little fucking marshmallow fallen a fucking well that has ruled his life and fallen a fucking well ruined everything may no one remember your name as the fucking the gameboy brought me a little pink blob sucks up all the goodness in his life all right oh kirby got brought to me by he's not even fucking pink he was white yeah and he didn't even have a full on copyability wow what an amazing kirby game
Starting point is 03:07:31 it was pretty good i fuck fuck sake i played the fucking first kirby on the nest yeah before that did you originally originally yes yeah it's great what do you mean kirby got brought to you by the gameboy i'm me my life no but that's the first time you encountered kirby i didn't yeah i didn't what a fucking fake kirby wow wow you weren't even there at the beginning it just so happens that the confluence of events that i where i go through life not having a choice over what games get brought to me when i'm fucking young and in granada and i just get what i get i love kirby enough to steal it when i was a child like literally no control over what games end up in my life none whatsoever i can and this one happens to be the case yeah why all the agency i had hell yeah
Starting point is 03:08:14 all the decision making fucking fake kirby fan can't believe it you take those headphones off go hold your two fucking game gear games play them and i hate that you can't even get through those games without the battery dying each he doesn't like the fucking thing you know what you're nothing hold on you're thinking of the fucking second nomad you're not thinking of the game gear the second nomad use six batteries oh the nomad was also terrible but the game gear they were both awful with it the nomad was actually smart because it let you plug in controllers you know what's the real but it was stupid because you still couldn't fucking play it for more than an hour shit about the nomad was that it came with comic zone as its big game and you couldn't beat comic zone in the
Starting point is 03:08:57 battery charge it comic zone is a bit is a fucking beat him up tons of his game gear use six batteries wow i remember because the fucking kid that i used to live with he fucking had a bunch of he had his game gear and he was super selfish with it because he was an only child and he did not alone out shit and then he would always get fucking salty because his batteries would run out and you'd have to go buy more and his mom was like i'm not buying you more fucking batteries and you there would always be an argument over that and i was like hey can i play him like no because the batteries he has is all he has prefer to last yeah otherwise you're sitting next to the fucking wall you can be sitting next to the wall so i was in a house where we had our nintendo shit and he had a game
Starting point is 03:09:30 gear and i remember specifically being like hey can i try out he had triple try he had triple trouble that's why i keep bringing i remember triple trouble so well and i'm like oh can i try out that sonic game and be like no it's mine and i'm like i know it's yours i just can i try it and be like nah you know what i just i'm like okay you know i just realized turns out i missed what matt fucking nothing game here i didn't say anything about the game i know but you're sitting in the crossfire game gear started my annoyance with handhelds because i'm like why would i ever buy a handheld when i have to just sit next to sit in the same place i always do playing video games you had to do that with the game gear you had to you also the point was car rides x men to clone
Starting point is 03:10:10 wars on the nomad either yeah you could oh what that reset button wouldn't work out you had to press the reset button yeah it wouldn't work what a genius piece of game design yeah it was it was about car rides yeah right it was about it was about our camper trip down gear was a piece of shit with car it was about our camper trip down to fucking disney and you know like three days on the road almost because we're doing it slow with a car full of fucking people and whatever and like you have a bunch of comic books yeah and then you have a bunch of whatever and give your siblings but the fucking game boy yeah is what kept you alive you know what the one thing it's about it's about secretly in the last pew of the church in the back with there's no where where where you
Starting point is 03:10:48 fucking turn the volume down and you fucking hold it hold it to the side a little bit well you know and then you try to get in what little you can before one of the elder spots you and calls you out for playing video games in church you know what's lucky about the original game boy in church because uh the screen is such a magnanimous piece of fucking shit it doesn't cast any light so you don't get caught you don't get caught but it's it's bright in church anyway whereas the light was 100% you get caught all the time and you know what I tell this story I tell this story from second point second hand point of view or third person point of view because I was too much of a fucking good church boy to even dare bringing my game boy in but I remember other
Starting point is 03:11:27 kids would do it and they would sneak in and they go do that and I was super jealous of them so but that's what it was super jealous of the courage the courage they had the courage to play Kirby in the spite of god because I was like god would be mad if I was fucking playing my curvy you know that's what it was that's why you love the game boy because you were stupid there's a million things going on but the point is wonderful day it is the point is I'll be mad you play your curvy like on this particular curvy some satanic shit yeah the only thing better than fucking games on the go is games at home yeah but then you still got games on the go is a really solid time waster that was good shit for like the four games and then you beat all of them and then
Starting point is 03:12:12 you just spent all your time fucking farming rare candies with msigno until he crashed your game we would play dnd and then we'd play pokemon let's say tannic though and then we'd fucking it was it was at school at lunch time so you know what I'm here at home it was totally satanic you know what I'm hearing from you at camp though parents weren't there that's true so as long as I didn't tell them international waters basically as long as I didn't tell them about it then it was fine you know what I'm hearing with you and it's honestly kind of sweet you're like the game boy is good because I had good memories of it when I was a child yeah not because of its library or of its quality but because when I was a baby it made me very happy as opposed to doing nothing
Starting point is 03:12:59 playing on a game boy is a good time yeah but when you're talking about all the game game the moment millions of classics the moment we go forward one generation you get to compare that to I can play this or I can play a game boy but back when the game boy was around at least for me it was you can play the game boy or you can play nothing I I want to make it really clear that I am shitting on the game boy original only not even the game boy color not even because I agree with you there's a bunch of bona fide classics on the game boy color and good versions of existing games too uh and I had a bunch of tiger electronic things to make myself feel better a real handheld man I haven't felt it rumbling at some I have not a felt a good Nintendo versus
Starting point is 03:13:47 Sega console war this isn't even one no no no but the Sega fan over here is readily admitting that the game here's a piece of shit like like I haven't I haven't felt that in a minute and like the fact that the conversation ender always used to be fuck you you can't play Street Fighter without a select button was the it was done everyone just walks away because it was nuclear there was no comeback from that well come back was to get a six-point controller when the other version yeah which was a genuine improvement actually because like the that layout was better than the I remember and I remember being like oh man comic zone looks kind of cool I missed I wish I could comic zones radical and then I remember and then I remember Vectorman I'd be like oh Vectorman looks
Starting point is 03:14:32 kind of cool I remember being blown away by Vectorman then I played Vectorman it's not good I don't like it it's not good uh you should play X-Men 2 Clone Wars instead because that came no I know I played it not too long ago that's it has a really grimy soundtrack because it has to because because music can't sound good unless the fucking genius that's composing understands all the fart noises that the genesis can make I think X-Men 2 does a good use of just it just sounds grimy filthy it almost sounds ahead of its time yeah it sounds better than the first X-Men again the first X-Men one yeah it's like there are some great sound uh lsts that you can go back to and listen to on the Genesis Rocket Knight Adventures is my number one but that's because a fucking maestro
Starting point is 03:15:16 learned how to work with the sound of farts yeah it's like someone I found a bunch of fucking broken down pieces of shit in this alley but I can make good music that's it oh yeah I can I can make this dumpster symphony do we have anything that could possibly follow up this tirade no I don't think so are we out um PSA undergrads the movie what what is what is happening yeah how about that then I didn't know this how about that then I don't know what this is Kickstarter holy shit it's doing it undergrads the movie a follow-up to the undergrads tv show created in 2001 by PD Williams is at 74 of $115,000 uh it's doing it with 31 days to go they're planning to make an undergrads movie holy shit and they're trying to finish off everything gimpy and rock on cow that every that uh undergrads
Starting point is 03:16:08 was so um there's a campaign it's it's it's no it's just Pete talking that's fine he's funny it's just him talking about what the plans are but but yeah yeah I'll say if that's all right because I have found a click to call my own inside outside I don't care your crowd my crowd we can't share because I have found a click to call my own I love that when they're like they're playing the song in the show and they're like good charlotte what have you ever done exactly okay what is this it's the old it's a cartoon it's the old canadian cartoon it aired on it aired on teletune it was an mtv show for one season and then they cancelled it like they do everything downtown and and all and uh the blue one
Starting point is 03:17:00 mission hill mission hill the blue one was mission hill mtv I think it started as I think I've ever heard of this ever we've referenced this a bunch yeah I don't know how you didn't like you not watching teletune is weird to me I don't know how you missed out on that shit that's that's fucking weird well everyone got it well we didn't have it I don't want to tell you anyway it's a bunch of college uh did you not have cable no you didn't have cable tv well okay so pat there's a nerd character and he's on like a I've got a I've got a I've got a like re I've got to like update my banks for your for your lack of childhood this is a constant thing where it's like remember that show and I go no I don't yeah you didn't know man you had so
Starting point is 03:17:44 you had like three channels no I had more than that we had cfcf 12 and channel three we had we had video drawn had a global didn't exist back then the fucking tv package in our house but we didn't have teletune and you had ytv and that was it no we had I don't know we have like 50 channels or whatever but we did not have teletune because if you had 50 channels channel this uh teletune channel 49 anyway I what what do you want me to tell you here's a joke from undergrads the nerd of the show is on a trivia like a thing and the guy goes what star wars i g88 that's correct that's that's undergrads he's the guy from the with the co-head it was it's a college campus what star wars kid like i g88 before it's a college campus it's a college campus show with a bunch
Starting point is 03:18:32 kids hanging out what year and it had in 1999 2001 and 2001 and 2001 and it says right there and it had an asian girl with purple hair as they all tend to oh these days 2001 scroll up they're saying 2001 that's the cast that's the cast oh i can explain exactly why sounds rocko i i didn't see this i stopped watching tv okay entirely well then you definitely had the channel that it was on but yeah when i when you asked me like did you not have it i thought you meant like back in like 94 no i probably had it but yeah i didn't watch tv no because because early ass tv in in in kebek was very limited channels but then there was an update where like all cable gave us like 20 new channels and we got fox we got teletune we got the comedy network and then
Starting point is 03:19:24 a couple other things no no we didn't get caught no no that was extended that was extended that's an exotic yeah yeah we got we got uh bravo and we got e i think yeah right and discovery as well came with that and then the sci-fi channel yeah right Canadian sci-fi channel and that's that's that's that space space space yes that's where i watch the fuck ton of gene rodinberry's final conflict okay can we get zube as in this in undergrads no why not no is there not a tear to get your own double c in here top of the list as you wear your own mascot head uh oh shit oh be voiced be the voice and likeness of a featured character in the movie character that they're created fine so you get to be you get to be that's fucking seven thousand but you're it's your but
Starting point is 03:20:08 it's your likeness right okay which but if i show up dressed as zube as but here's the other yeah yeah well one there's that but the other problem is is that you know what guest characters where you're like oh that's the guy who paid for the kickstarter shows up and you're just a guy that comes in and goes hey yeah what oh my god and you're like just so yeah and you just see that you emoji your way through the scene i forget the name of it but uh you see pen gillette put out a movie about that what pen gillette put out a movie where he plays a guy who got a bit part in a movie due to a kickstarter okay but he's crazy oh that's great no i didn't forget the name of red letter media that sounds fucking awesome apparently it's very interesting pen rules he's the best teller is pretty
Starting point is 03:20:53 good too but yeah undergrads the movie is on kickstarter and they're trying to put together and matt you and i care about undergrads a whole lot we reference it very often and uh i think very early on i want to say like four years ago you just you made a joke where you're just like whatever friends could do it and i laughed for a while because i hadn't heard anyone reference in a long time oh man i loved it so much and i also fucking hated the cliffhanger that it ended on yeah i mean that's that's what that the kickstarter video was alluding to at the very start i had rance back when we were in sejep like in in college here about that final episode smack dab in the middle of dawson because how mad i was at nits decision-making yeah no it wasn't great man because
Starting point is 03:21:41 kimmy's the worst ah yeah anyway totally kimmy's ariel kimmy had a gameboy no she did she wasn't that interesting yeah that thought she would have had a gameboy the interesting people would have i had no idea hey uh i well let's wrap up because pat's got to get home and watch hunter x hunter so let's take some emails it's pronounced hunter hunter oh i'm sorry thanks for the correction if you've got an email you want to tell us how sick undergrads was if you want to tell us to tell us about um yeah your favorite moments you try to get me but i am gonna go home and watch hunter hunter exactly and you're gonna and you're gonna you didn't win yourself all the way to the end of it and be like oh it's pretty good i guess i don't know whatever no fine
Starting point is 03:22:31 it's great okay i still it doesn't feel like a loss no instead it's like i look back and i go i wish gone's design was better because it's the same thing i had with one piece where it's like every second that their design is like the stock design on the screen i'm like i hate this i hate it everything about the character is great everything about what's happening is great i just fucking hate the way the character looks it's like willy if i ever if i walked into your apartment for like the first time ever and i walked in you had a giant undergrad poster i'm like this fucking yeah yeah yeah anyone who does absolutely not to mention we knew a dude that was real live action knits yeah yeah um cal i think to a new call uh uh i wasn't gonna say yeah i'm like i'm like i
Starting point is 03:23:24 at least i at least i set myself up so i'm like if i ever do decide to tune into the new uh hunter hunter uh it's not even new it's super old now okay well the new to me at least one and it's good i'll probably be like yeah that's what i thought would be of the new one i guess because i remember i remember when the initial confusion happened and like ipatch wolf like had that moment of like wait oh time to start a channel no no no even after that where he's like you're not even talking about the same show that i love like you're talking about a different show it was like oh what was it all for what are we fighting for ipatch wolf is a very convincing man he convinced me to stop liking final fantasy 15 in my memory damn did you see the his video
Starting point is 03:24:09 they put out no but i had the discussion with them in person and it was pretty much a more um it was it was matt's like life philosophy taken to the extremes and delivered with a soft soothing accent because like where fives should never exist he got if you're not a zero or a 10 get the fuck out of my face is essentially what he believes you're not going to be great suck bad so but in other words a reboot that doesn't push the envelope to a new height that's just a safe reboot is the worst thing ever so if you want to know about fall fifth c 15 did you see the title of his video at least it's like it's hilarious it's a massive discipline it's a mediocre discipline final fantasy 15 is a mediocre disappointment is the name of the video and it is 52 minutes long and it is
Starting point is 03:24:54 a breakdown of problems i'll say this man like i do want to go back and see what happens in that story because i left off but where'd you leave off um before altisha wow you left off before anything happened yeah a bunch of stuff happens but i spent a fuck ton of time grinding out i'm sure to to get to get the made the combat made a bunch of stuff will happen and it'll make no sense and then people will tell you it's actually way worse before because they patched in extra story like i spent on that grid um i spent like no money until i got like 300 and just dumped it on the the was it a parry or a dodge or a bunch of bust abilities yeah i just i like i i made the game weird for me but i was having i was having fun with that cast you want to hear the most busted
Starting point is 03:25:41 thing you can do in that whole game they patched in that uh bangle that lets you not gain experience so you go rest and right right right so what you do is once you hit a level that you're like i'm comfy you just put that bangle on the whole game and altisha there's a hotel that triples your experience boost take it off i went from like 42 to like 70 plus and then the whole rest of the game was like haha yeah um i mean to be honest with that like it's like at that point just fucking go what level do you want to be what was on ps4 what was what was uh was it um the world god what the fuck is the game called i keep saying god eater but it's not it's the world eaters um this game where like you can just level up as much as you want but it's like not the sky well okay it would
Starting point is 03:26:27 but it was it was it was um it was from this america okay um but it was like yeah you level up as much as you want with a cost uh what the fuck was the game called oh well anyway whatever it doesn't matter if you want a question or you want a soul nomad soul nomad i'm sorry i was getting lost you want to send in an email that uh is the story about that loser that you know who had a game boy and how lame that was you can send that into super best friendcast at gmail.com that's pats insecurities at gmail.com i have no insecurity about shitting on the game boy that thing is hilarious you're you're you're 50 percent human 50 percent insecurities what are you talking about i said about the game you were built on them yeah but not about the game not about the game
Starting point is 03:27:13 boy and the game boy feel strong confident and handsome catching catching random ass fucking fisticuffs lies coming off your stream yeah sure built based on like you like i was so ready for this to come up i was ready and here we are no we're not even going anywhere we're not even going anywhere you spend the you spend 10 years building up whatever you need to about me so oh come on i will come on you watch that clip i'm sitting there giggling away i died it was fun to do and then at the end you're like oh boy this is gonna come back on me and i'm like because it was sunday night and i was and i was like and i i was like yeah man i'm just getting this thing ready for three hours just getting it ready lies with the bosses lies and bullshit but it makes for good memory yeah
Starting point is 03:28:12 so we've all told many lies by the way this year's shits storm has very very little woolly bashing in it what's up with that because i mad has changed direction every dense at all because every every year there's a compilation that comes out with all the woolly bashing one this year that's we've switched tracks that is now praying for you to be haunted and we're playing games and go and he's going i would like woolly to be haunted like this person oh like that but i'm very i'm very clear i want the haunting to be horrible okay okay okay last for no more than four months okay because i was tired of your disrespect to ghosts because if there was not a new gigantic ridiculous lie i'd be like kind of disappointed but why i suppose is the ghosts are real and they
Starting point is 03:29:01 could haunt you yeah no it's got to be like something from my past we we play quite a horrible horribly scary game and i'm like this this is what needs to go on in his apartment every day and then we'll see who respects who okay because i was full on waiting for like it's kind of like that time that no and then cue flashback no but i'm also doing a call to action where i say everyone put your thoughts and prayers towards woolly towards cursing so we don't know how powerful that can be i mean like quite for i i wouldn't i'd love to get haunted it would be fucking rad good it'd be super safe if you got super haunted would you go hang out with your mom and be like fucking super haunted check this shit out well first i'd make sure that the ghost is not
Starting point is 03:29:46 like the kind that can just kill you yeah that's right first you need to find out it's hard to make sure of that you want a good poltergeist yeah you want to just an apparition throne you want an apparition that can just like glow in the night and make noises and shake things and if that's all you can do then like oh i'm having a good time yeah well moving on email let me do that again if you think woolly's been secretly cheating at fisticuffs oh send your email into super best friendcast at gmail.com that's super best friendcast at gmail.com or alternatively if you think me and matt are just really shit at fighting games and are salty as shit hey can we check the move list are we going are we oh we're going okay yeah he says as he does that every week how could you do that to us
Starting point is 03:30:31 dear goofis goofis and goofis no gallant every time everyone looks at me like a crazy person when they find out that i sleep in jeans well you you are keep going keep going keep going yeah where does this go i i mean uh is there any clothing choices you assume are normal but everyone thinks you're strange and frightening nothing compared to that no nothing compared to that like i've fallen asleep wearing jeans yeah i don't go i'm gonna put my bedtime jeans on alex that is the single weirdest thing alex i have ever heard in regards to sleep patterns alex if you're less cats in the room if you want to live if you want to um uh if you're listening to the audio version of this alex instead of looking at the vodka track down the clip because i'm looking
Starting point is 03:31:20 at you i thought i was the undisputed fucking champ of pat you need to go home tonight you're nuts and put your bed in order and sleep perfectly tucked under all sides yeah like in a line yeah with jeans i'm not gonna do that you have to do it that's crazy horrible the tightest foot feel bad dude the tightest most fucking jeans don't breathe your legs are gonna get so sweaty half gripping god tightness damn it it's like just no movement no movement that is just no blood circulation whatsoever here's the thing right do it alex here alex alex doesn't say go to sleep wearing pants because that could be pajama pants right that could be no whatever he would mean pants he says fucking jeans like he could have said corduroy's and that would have been
Starting point is 03:32:15 just what these actual fuck i don't i hate to blow you up buddy i don't i can't think of any clothing thing that can compare i have no comparison i mean yeah there's nothing i wear my pajamas around the house too much but but that's what they're fucking for i guess jeans are not for sleeping basketball shorts down below nothing or hoodie up top depending on the weather that's a reasonable thing to do in your life why would you go out anywhere else with it ah when i get home i can't change out of my jeans into my pajamas fast enough let alone switch back into them to sleep someone says i sleep in a full tuxedo that would be less weird than that would be slowly boy do you remember do you remember this
Starting point is 03:33:10 was back at my old apartment how fast i changed into my pajamas because you walked out to leave had to come back 45 seconds later not even you you left your phone or something not even knocked and i went coming and you're like what how already my yet the instant you walk out the door i take my pants off the instant i only wore the pants because you were there yeah uh elena says in case of last week's podcast talks didn't convince you there's been at least two guests that have recommended scooby-doo monster mystery incorporated that's true none of you sat down and watched it yet i've compiled a list of minimal spoilers with a list of reasons that hopefully build your interest if you hadn't heard it yet mystery incorporated has the following
Starting point is 03:34:01 episode long homage is the things like saw twin peaks and classic b horror movies you know we're at this one harlan ellison getting a recurring guest spot where he plays himself did not hear about this talking about that one talking animals being treated as a normal occurrence in this universe resulting in cameos from characters like jabberjaw that are never questioned an ongoing plot about the town's history how it was founded and how it hides ancient treasure that may or may not be cursed multiple factions including the former mystery teams etc businessmen politicians escape convicts and family members who've had some history connected to the ongoing search for the treasure romance plot lines and love triangles and main characters
Starting point is 03:34:36 leading to things in the franchise of scooby-doo uh the talking dog uttering the phrase are you cheating on me are you cheating on me honest to god unironic instances of underwater nazi ghost base go watch it already especially pat it just becomes twin peaks by the end now i'm good i don't really care for scooby-doo i'll give it a go if i can remember it it's gone what are we what are we talking about scooby-doo martian mysteries it's called good enough martian mystery so i'll try and remember to do that and then i'll end up catching up on mike tyson mysteries instead nep war says i recently want to play i recently went to play um i recently went to a play that was based on a legend from a hundred thousand years ago known as the era of truth which
Starting point is 03:35:22 made me want to ask what's your favorite title for an era renaissance is pretty cool that's a pretty cool name for an era that's just king of fighters we both early um i like the era of warring states i hope that's not too weeby the uh golden age arc yeah that's good i like that that's good that's that's a good name for an arc that's true uh great t-race yeah thank you right there great the age of the great t-race godi godi godi says they're delicious delicious best friends thank you in part 15 of tales of the borderlands matt incorrectly states there are two mummy movies when in fact there are at least five with the same title which three of which are directly related there's the mummy from 1932 yeah i wasn't counting the mummy from 1999 which is a loose remake of the
Starting point is 03:36:08 32 original and the mummy from 2017 which is a complete reboot later woolly mentions the armor get in shot which is itself actually a reference to the 1983 movie the right stuff uh corrections oh okay just general corrections corrections yeah no i was purposely leaving out the the 1930s ones because i don't know what he cares who gives a god damn shit about brendon frazier ones yeah remember the beginning of the mummy too where the two mummies are chasing them along the walls oh man that was cool the redness to flags dear jimmy tommy power our friends seems like so many games come out today swathed in quantra controversy that's correct no better example i can think of than star citizen for a game that hasn't been released yet it loves creating a battlefront
Starting point is 03:36:51 two level of bs with every new story from locking news stream to paying customers and being pay to will before release data when i say data when they say yeah uh the game can't come out if it ever comes out without angering at somebody do you have examples of similarly divisive games i don't think anything's gonna top star citizen because it looks like a fucking scam at the mighty number nine could have given it a run but then that stopped yeah like everyone stopped caring well the only star citizen keeps going and going mighty number nine like if it didn't come out star citizen is also sucking up money at an alarming rate like that game looks like a fucking scam um i can't think of anything that's even close to those two super best plus ultra friendcast has there been a game
Starting point is 03:37:36 movie or show that has a scene that made you scared or frightened where you wanted to quit said material mine was the ending of the original star track where they showed various aliens that fueled my childhood fears for years uh and the you died screen from re2 for some reason you died hit me hard because it was the first time i considered myself personified as the main character tons of horror games over time i'm i'm quite the baby when it comes to horror games like i don't really get the questions like you just stopped midway through or yeah yeah you want to leave like physically okay like for me i mean y'all have looked at the shitstorm there's a bunch of videos that end because i go fuck this i'm done with the video that's me running away um at some point
Starting point is 03:38:19 through the movie that's on netflix called the nightmare i wanted to stop several times because it's based on real paralysis so it's talking to people about stuff that happened to them so of course even though i finished all of it i did not sleep for a good week oh that's good other people about it and and they talk about this in the movie if you tell other people about your sleep paralysis they experience they will experience it too so it's like this virus good job fuck that movie it's very scary yeah nothing wait till the haunting starts and we'll talk to you again well that's not a movie but he'll want to quit he'll want to film it you should film it well if you if that i hope that goes like serbian film because we i'll just fucking there you go
Starting point is 03:39:01 just loop that that's yours that's yours that's that's that one's exclusive woolly content world's premiere here what you know you have the trailer for you watching serbian film it's like woolly watches serbian film then it fades out then the trailer for you watching it starts don't watch that movie don't um you bad movie you can just read the wiki if you're curious yeah yeah that's the movie the wiki describes it also and then something horrible happens with the man's penis oh oh that's the least of it yeah hey what is going on on angriest pat angriest pat will uh at over at twitch.tv slash angriest pat will stream sometime this fucking week i don't know what it'll be it could be anything i'm kind of lazy and tired uh you could also find me over at
Starting point is 03:40:01 twitch.tv slash pizza liva uh either uh yelling at page for leaving yang on the four dead never or helping out with detroit again uh she's doing so much better than i did it's embarrassing uh and that's it for me what about you guys well you said you're fucking close to the end on near yeah liam and i are gonna sit down have a few sessions bang it out but at the moment uh every day at noon i'm alternating between an episode of near and an episode of nalt so uh both of those games are reaching their steadfast conclusions tune in for some gold fun you've been on those for a while do you have the next shit planned out yeah i do the next shit's planned out and also i've been chipping away at um the latest uh kirby lore uh it's you know this is about the game boy yeah it's
Starting point is 03:40:49 probably about the the first one he played on the game boy never the first one it's about it's about a very important piece of kirby lore so i'm taking my time with it um trying to do all that extra work for not being there ground floor not at all reflective of quality but uh stay tuned for that that should be coming out soon and um at the very least i can say that like lilv and mothman have like fucking outdone themselves with the the the the work and and amazing shit they've been putting in so uh stay tuned for some of that some of that kirby lore coming in coming in hot and heavy soon what's going on matt uh new episode of edge lords comes out tonight at 8 p.m um no one knows who it's about but it's going to be one step forward two steps back um do it and i will also uh be
Starting point is 03:41:36 streaming the uh premiere of it like about like half an hour before it goes online on youtube yeah i saw that what exactly i talked a lot about this if you have something that really cool coming up stream it uh huh so people that want to experience it live with an audience can so you're gonna like go live and be like hey guys what's up i'm gonna play the video now check check it out and people just can talk it's what they do for uh new episodes of team four star bridged so i wanted to give that a go and see if people have fun with that and then later on this week on friday i'll be having a new mumbling with matt with osw reviews two and a half hours of predator talk we go through all of the movies that would be the oh it's all of them all of them uh not just
Starting point is 03:42:22 not just the predator which i'd like increasingly want to stop thinking about no you think about it had more fun with venom than i did with the predator you are all that you are all you are yeah um yeah and uh i guess it's it and the shittstorm on the main channel that's over super best friends play dot com or youtube dot com slash super best friends play every night nine p.m nine p.m shittstorm there's some bangers in there and there's some fucking losers in there not that many losers like two yeah but they're big losers any clunkers no that's what i'm talking about agony just i'm straight i'm saying agony agony sucks and last dead end is like that no that well here's the thing that sounds like a great fighting game move yeah uh the last dead
Starting point is 03:43:10 end is a miserable pile something scrapped on but yeah it is hilarious yeah it's it's deadly there's like a shrek monster and it's ridiculous uh it's a really good level three name yeah there's a bunch of those coming up also that's dead end final redemption woolly and i will continue trucking along in dmc three we pretty much got to sit down and got one more to just finish that up who knows what woolly and i will tackle next whatever it is all i know is we will never surrender because we'll keep playing devil may cry three and this might seem like a crazy thing to say but the ending of taser of the borderland is more epic and has more fights than dmc three possibly that is not hyperbole you know you know it's actually um i would not expect that from
Starting point is 03:43:57 a telltale game though it had more special moves the timing with the timing on on us playing that game as the at like last with everything and telltale died right the best game they've made like it's so weird but man are we feeling them at their peak and yeah the end of tells of the borderlands is fucking strong speaking of borderlands i really good did you guys hear that uh king of irony news about randy pitchfork oh some dude stole like three million dollars from him i heard his personal assistant just robbed him the money just vanished poof that sucks oh wow what a magician's trick couldn't happen to a nicer guy that's why i was how unfortunate damn
Starting point is 03:44:41 bye everybody so you

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