Castle Super Beast - SBFC 268: Battle Royal Rumble

Episode Date: October 16, 2018

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Now I don't know about you guys, but personally, let's see where we're going with this. Everytime I close my eyes, I just wake up feeling so horny. That's not where I thought it was going to go. And I just can't stop thinking about freaking. I don't know about you, but I like me some good freaking. Sure. Should have been gangster's paradise. It should have been, but god damn it, Pat, I'll say with my mid-energy today that Jodicy
Starting point is 00:00:51 is the fucking most- The fact that it's a Joe. Ridiculous pick that is so obvious because who the fuck wouldn't call that? But I just didn't expect that when I tuned into the latest season of JoJo that that I'd be transported back to my cousin's house for a barbecue. Summer of like the late 1990s, you know what I mean? I didn't expect for summer barbecue black house vibes coming out of my JoJo anime, but that's what I got. Do you know what I didn't expect? What did you not expect?
Starting point is 00:01:28 To be transported nowhere. Yeah. By a song I've literally never heard in my entire life by an artist I had never heard of. Dude, I mean, you must have heard maybe peripherally the song All My Life. I pray for someone like you. Yeah, probably. But I thank god that I finally found you. That thing close.
Starting point is 00:01:54 That one is totally Casey and JoJo of which the group members that make up Jodicy are named for Casey, JoJo, Davante, and so on. So then they're like, I guess, yeah, let's pick the group that is from this era that has literally a member named JoJo in it. Who's localized in JoJo? Localizing? I mean, Crunchyroll. They're like, who makes these decisions? Oh, no, that'd be David Productions. No, when they change the names for America.
Starting point is 00:02:27 Oh, you mean like the stand names? That's probably David Productions. So not necessarily. Like they give them a list of suggestions. Whatever. No, no, no. It would be the licensing company. It would be like the equivalent of Viz or whoever.
Starting point is 00:02:43 Because as it is now, the names between the game and the anime adaptations have all been consistent. But that has nothing to do with their music choices. No, no, I know that. I'm just saying like for that. I thought you were going to start with, I don't know about you, but I'm ready to start my 100 hour work week. I actually did think that as well. Yeah, we'll get there. But JoJo part five started.
Starting point is 00:03:08 And we've been really... Come on now. I've never worked a 100 hour week. Come on now. I want to. I work close to them, but never a 100 hour work week. I take it you didn't tune in, but... No, I mean, like the...
Starting point is 00:03:21 You said Crunchyroll, I'm like, right, that's where it's at. Yeah. I don't know. So you know how the previous seasons of JoJo have been like all really cool with their outros? Of course. That's what I learned about. Yes. And then you get into a walk like an Egyptian.
Starting point is 00:03:36 And then so on and so forth. It's like my favorite. It's great. Part four, right? You get your fucking savage garden going. Yeah. Wait, no, shut up. That's my favorite.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Okay. So part five starts and everyone's like, what are we doing? Right. And then the answer is 90s R&B. And it's literally like the song's called Freakin' You by fucking Jodicy. This is straight up like not boys to men, not 112, not Bel Biv Devo, not another bad creation. Ah! Jodicy.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Not Mario. What's up? What's up? They're going to put Monica and Brandy's doing it. Oh, the boy is mine? The boy is my life. Yeah, the boy is mine. Definitely that can work in like the last half of part six.
Starting point is 00:04:23 You need to give it up. Or like... Try again by like Aliyah. Yeah. You can go there. You can go into the R&B girls. Everything's on the buffet. You can get Deva with it.
Starting point is 00:04:36 In fact, part six should definitely get Deva with it. Absolutely. Yeah. But for now, part five is just continuing this weird Italian... No, Jodicy is not Italian at all. But the vibes, the touching yourself vibes that you get, right? The R&B songs in the rain type of thing. R&B is the thing where you touch yourself.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Your shirts open in the rain and the wind is blowing everywhere. Steel. Exactly, right? That is very part five. That's very golden wind. Get some arose. The golden wind blows your shirt open. Fuck that shit.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Who cares about that shit? Everybody does. How do you feel about fighting gold? Okay, fighting gold is absolutely amazing on first listen. Most Jojo songs, you're like, these are all, these are great. And the ones that are winners, you can tell right away. Like, I'd say like all the... I'd say like, you can tell maybe two beats into the chorus.
Starting point is 00:05:37 You're like, yep, we got a winner. Fighting gold is exactly that. I think it's fantastic. And yet I also think it is my least favorite. That's how high the bar is on all of these. It's really high. It really is high. But I feel like I got a vibe off of it that was very 007, right?
Starting point is 00:05:58 In particular, when the chorus kicks in, it goes into... I want to say it goes into some of those flat notes almost where they sound like they're not... It's almost like when you listen to certain songs, the songs that are like more complete, like a pop song sounds like it starts here and then it ends here. But then like End of the World builds up tension. It's a tension builder because the series is coming to a close, so all the notes they play and the notes end off in strange unnerving places and Fighting Gold does that right away,
Starting point is 00:06:30 specifically when the chorus kicks in. It's a tension builder and it's a fucking great song. I should watch the intro at least. It's really good. You would think that would come in when shit was popping off but they're starting off with a bang. It's fucking great. It's the Ava people.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Have you heard the English version? No. So Koda put up a version that they sang with different lyrics completely 100% in English and I think it sounds a lot better actually. Cool. Are they not accented heavily? They are. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:03 But they're pretty good. Okay. That has its own tone. They're not ingressing it like they're just heavily accented. Yeah. They're not pen-pallying it. Yeah. And I think the English version actually sounds a little better.
Starting point is 00:07:15 So here's my task for you. When you say you love it and I say, oh, it's my least favorite but it's still great. If it's not your least favorite, put something under it. Put something under it. And I won't do that. Right? I can't do that. No.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Dump on your child. You can't process it one week later. It has to... Process anything. You have to... First of all? First of all. Right?
Starting point is 00:07:40 It's just... This is the same thing. The first time you listen to an album, you can't make that call right away. When you like someone's... Wasn't everyone shaded on crazy, bizarre town? And you were like, no, man, it's good. It is. And then everyone came around to it.
Starting point is 00:07:51 It's... They're great, dude. Like, honestly, like... And even Chase is like... Chase had the wildest turnaround. Chase? Because Chase, for me, was like... Turn it out.
Starting point is 00:08:02 It was like the lyrics brought it the fuck back, right? And fighting gold has that similar thing going where you're like, oh fuck, they're talking about Dio right now. Yeah. This could straight up just be... The lyrics for part five are really interesting because just like Chase was about Kira and Josuke simultaneously, the lyrics for part five are what if JoJo part one, Dio was the protagonist and he was the hero?
Starting point is 00:08:32 What if Dio was the hero, which is... The thesis statement for Golden Wind. So those lyrics fucking work fantastically for that. I would put it... I would argue Chase would be the earliest... Like, I could like go maybe a little bit above that. Oh man, I think Chase is one of the best. You're crazy.
Starting point is 00:08:50 But I also like... I think it's too soon to do that. I really feel in the... I believe in the digestion process. You know what? Right? When you listen to an artist that you love and you're comparing their latest album to the others that you've had for years, you can't possibly throw it up there.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Plus, with the other versions, you're associating the moments, you're associating the fucking time stop modifiers that apply to it. The sound effect versions of Bloody Stream. I can go back. I hate sound effect versions. I like them. I like them. I can't stand them.
Starting point is 00:09:19 I like the variety. And the meaning of the visuals that you tie in. You know, and you're just associating so many more positive things with that song. Well, here's the thing, right? In my mind, Fighting Gold can only go up because I didn't get that far in the manga. I only got to the part where Mista's fighting that guy in the truck. Okay. Like that bit.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Okay. So, I don't know. What is that? A third-ish? I don't remember how far. Yeah, exactly! It's after the boat. It's after all that shit.
Starting point is 00:09:51 So, I'm looking at the intro and I'm like... Fighting Gold. Silhouette did a weird and there's Trish and... I don't know. Right? Whereas we watched Part 3 and Part 4's intros. And we didn't do nearly as good a job as Jeff did, obviously. But we're like, oh, look!
Starting point is 00:10:13 There's the cheap trick thing! And there's that thing! Oh, well, when I sat down with Jeff and watched the Manda Master work, it was fucking incredible. Does he just frame by frame it? That's basically what we did. Yeah. And then we rewind and then we frame by frame again and then rewind and then talk and talk and talk until we go, oh my god, we're staring at the glass and these objects of the friends
Starting point is 00:10:34 that are walking are because Shigechi is now in heaven staring down at the people that were his friends. I don't know. You know? But does it ever come around where it's like... Has it ever happened where like whoever has made or planned out intros or such in Japan would go, no, we just wanted to make... We wanted something cool?
Starting point is 00:10:52 Yeah, I'm sure that happens. I'm sure that happens somewhere. I'm sure that happens. But like, so far, the JoJo intros have been layered with more thought process. Oh, yeah. I stumped Woolly where we're playing something and it's really like there was a guy who had a stand, not a JoJo thing, but he basically had a stand and his stand was like, I'm going to...
Starting point is 00:11:11 His stand when I'm going to stop you and then the stand tried to kill its user. Yeah. And I said, where? And he couldn't really think of a one. I'm like, I said, I said, I said late part five possibly. Possibly. If you want to get... But it's not direct, right?
Starting point is 00:11:31 It's not direct. There are stands that damage their user. Yes. So I would say Cheap Trick would probably technically count on that. Cheap Trick goes there. Wanted to kill the user. Yeah, Cheap Trick tries to kill its user. Cheap B.I.G. kind of has a little bit of that involved, but not completely.
Starting point is 00:11:48 That would make sense. That's where my thought goes. But yes, Sticky Fingers. Zip on that. I didn't see, I did not know this, but apparently Sticky Fingers has nothing to do with the rapper, is in fact a fucking Rolling Stone or Aerosmith thing. It's an album. Oh, that's fair.
Starting point is 00:12:05 And the album has a big fucking zipper on it. That makes way more sense. Yes. I'm not sure if Iraqi would be like, oh, I loved him in the Blade TV series. You know, it does make more sense. I'll take that. But I've only personally known Sticky Fingers, so I never thought twice about it. And it also throws you off because there's rappers that start appearing in Part 5 onwards.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Yeah, exactly. I initially made the mistake of assuming that Gold Experience was based on Jimi Hendrix when it was clearly the Prince album. Oh yeah, totally. Yeah. But I fucked that up because Jimi Hendrix has an RU experienced reference. Oh yeah. But either way, the rappers start coming out, and then it gets more contemporary with it
Starting point is 00:12:51 until obviously, as I'm sure you've been told. Then come with me from Puff Daddy shows up. Can't wait. From the Godzilla soundtrack. Can't wait for Flaccid Pancake. These intros, if we're starting out this intense, I don't know what the fuck we're going to end on. Because we got two more. You say that every time.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Because you think about the mood of starting out on crazy, noisy, bizarre town. And then you're like, oh fuck, chase, chase, chase. And then Great Days is your epilogue, right? This is what the whole story has been about. And Fighting Gold feels like that should be. Fighting Gold feels like an action anime. If Fighting Gold feels like it should be like the second or third. It's just for part five, you feel like this might be one of the last themes.
Starting point is 00:13:40 It's really intense. It really is, yeah. It's the intro music that will play when they fight the final boss in the anime. The fucking intro comes on, and you're like fuck, yeah. Take the anti-spirals, Giorno. Some people were asked, it is. That's pretty good. Some people were asking about how I felt about the fact that they're just showing off the teams and their stands in the outro openly.
Starting point is 00:14:09 And I'm like, you know what? Quite frankly, you know the formula at this point. You've been watching it for four seasons of multiple episodes. It doesn't matter. Also, in terms of weeks and episode count, it's going to take a couple weeks before you meet most of the crew. But overall, you meet that whole crew really, really goddamn early. One tenth, one twelfth of the way through, you have the whole gang. At this point, in any JoJo, you know how it's going to go in the beginning versus how it goes later on.
Starting point is 00:14:42 The beginning is about building up your crew, and you pretty much... Have wacky adventures. Yeah, and you have to build up my crew. And when you meet certain villains or you're like, oh, you're way too cool to go away. You expect them to stick around. You need to build up your crew so you can build down your crew. There you go, right? Plus, it's kind of been out there for years in terms of art, so it's hard to hide that shit.
Starting point is 00:15:06 And then ultimately, until you know what they do, you know, like one guy is just flipping a gun around. And I'm sure anybody who has no idea what these parts are like, is that guy just using a gun? That guy's using a gun. And it's a huge ass. He's using a gun. He's just shooting things. What's that about? It's like, even if you go to a convention, you'll see figures of parts that you don't even know about yet.
Starting point is 00:15:28 And again, I have to reference the fact that I'm watching the Saiyan saga on YTV, and then a friend brings a VHS tape to high school, and it's the metal cooler movie. And I'm like, oh, look at this. Yeah, yeah, that. Worms are getting ripped off. That was an era, though, where spoilers were the sickest shit ever. Yeah. Because you had no fathomable concept of this existing.
Starting point is 00:15:58 It wasn't like, oh, I was going to get there eventually. This was just unavailable to you. I don't. And someone now put a folder that didn't exist down. That's four levels, though, because it's A, the genus here. Right. And I'm still, the genus own his way, where I'm watching. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:16:13 And then B, they're blonde and there's cooler. Who's the brother of who? And he's the metal version. That's there's many things happening there too much. There's many things happening there. Yeah. It's the metal version of a guy I've never heard of a brother I've never heard of. Because the original was too weak.
Starting point is 00:16:38 What? Who? You mean Frieza? No. That would only cement in your mind, Dragon Ball is the coolest thing in the world at that point. You're like, just like, there's lock it in. You lock it in.
Starting point is 00:16:52 Absolutely. And yeah, I mean, all I got to say so far, I guess about part five is like, keep using those colors, guys. Those colors are bright. It's and beautiful and not more. So I'm thinking in the colorized version of part five in the opening parts is Jordan wearing the pink suit or the blue suit? Uh, he's wearing it literally changes every chapter cover.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It keeps changing. I'm just like, I'm fascinated. They're like, they're like, fuck it. Yeah. Go for the pink.
Starting point is 00:17:27 More and like, I'm happy that in show, I forget if it's a chapter art or if it happens in volume, but the first fucking Janet Jackson pose of like spread knees and like hands wrapped around your stand embracing it as if you're fucking about to have a wardrobe malfunction with your own stand. Like they had that right there in the show. And I'm like, I want these poses emphasized. I really want to show them. I want everyone to see my robots dick off because they're just making out with their
Starting point is 00:17:57 stands now. Because how are you going to? These rudders. How are you going to, how are you going to defeat your enemies if you don't love yourself? Yeah. You know, how the hell are you going to defeat your enemies if you don't love your stand? I have one last thing to say about part five episodes so far. Ericie continuing his ongoing trend and it being adapted properly that no one knows how
Starting point is 00:18:18 to draw children. I like they beat up a 35 year old man only to go, can you believe this child is doing drugs? To be fair, that's just continuing what Fist of the North Star started in the same way that just that Jonathan is just Kenshiro. Like Fist of the North Star started that that adult has a child's body. It's so weird. The little girl, the kids in Fist of the North Star, a lot of them have adult heads on child
Starting point is 00:18:52 bodies. Are you going by like the show or like the movies? I'm going by the artwork of the manga. The original panels where you see Kenshiro walking with the little kid on his shoulder and you're like, why is that an adult shaped skull? It's super weird. I'm familiar with the animated stuff so I've never actually, like I've seen of all of you see panels of Fist of the North Star, I've never actually read the challenge.
Starting point is 00:19:18 Yeah. I feel like JoJo's just following right in that one. The Fist of the North Star artist, I don't think he's seen children in the sense that when he draws a man, that's man right there. Like you get that. If you go back and look at JoJo part one, like the manga, you read it, right? Yeah. Yeah, JoJo himself looks soft and freaky before the end of the part.
Starting point is 00:19:44 That boy ain't right. Yeah, it's weird. He's got like a weird like bean head. You mean like it's curves in weird ways? Yeah. Like it's like. Adult, adult, Jonathan? No, young Jonathan.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Young Jonathan. Yeah, or a teeny bit. Like his forehead sticks out too much and his chin sticks out too much, but the middle of his face goes back? I'm just, I'm remembering just the lighting differences. That's the main thing that stands out to me is the way that entire part one was lit was like just completely different. Yeah, it sure was.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Dio's hair was just like this kind of. Like that is. Like it was just one shape and it was kind of like really, really not as it's not the same blonde that they use later on. You know, I mean, the lipstick wasn't there either. If you watched, if you've sent people screen grabs of one, two, three, four, five, right, you would probably think that a couple of them were released farther apart than they were.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Yeah, they're not so far apart that they're not the same show, but because they always have like the cheek lines defined. The art style definitely changes. Like Giorno's child eye colors, like the top and the bottom, like mascara are out of control in those flashbacks. Also, there's that, right? But there's also the fact that as your protagonist hair gets more complicated, like they're doing more work from panel to panel to keep up with all these insane lines because the fucking
Starting point is 00:21:12 tire that was Josuke's head in the previous part, they take huge shortcuts in some shots. You know, they'd be like, fuck that stupid texture. We're not doing it. But so far. It's just black. His hair is fucking black. It's like in the older cartoons where I'm not trying these lines on Spider-Man. Fuck you.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Exactly. Exactly. Reminds me of certain times you'll see somebody with like a plaid and then they'll just move and you'll see the fucking plaid underlayer not move at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I know that was hard. I get it. But it might be the words of his will fit.
Starting point is 00:21:49 It's a stylistic thing in certain shows that work sometimes, but it depends on how loose the show is. If the show is meant to be realistic, then that looks terrible. But in more cartoon shows, it works. But yeah, with Paris Hilton head, it's fucking on point so far. Like the doughnuts are in place. The tail is sushi. It's doing what it's got to do.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Man's got a lot of hair. And he's got like, his hair is only sort of complex compared to what happens later in this fucking thing. There are people whose hair just has inexplicable texture and it's a part of their ability. It's called style. Like I still don't understand what that, like there's a character in particular who has the most like insane hair and it's not dyed a certain color, but there's just stars in it.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Fuck you. Just in the hair. No. Right? And furthermore. In addition. You go a couple parts down and then you get a motherfucker whose literal hair is just newspapers. And I don't mean, I don't mean like drawn newspapers as the guy's head.
Starting point is 00:23:04 I mean, they took a newspaper and that was like in the manga. Yeah. And they used that while they were cutting out the fucking. Maybe they ran out of paper to print the manga and they had to use. They used newspapers as dot tone and his hair is just fucking newspaper. Wow. What are you going to draw for that? I don't know how they're going to animate that.
Starting point is 00:23:25 They're going to need to use the underlayer technique for sure with that. Right? What a fucking enigma. Like, no, that's a different guy. What are you going to do with that? It's going to be insane. So I want to stick around for that. I hope I don't die.
Starting point is 00:23:39 Yeah. That's where I'm going. Hey listen. That's the same newspaper. This anime shit has been going a truckin' better and faster than we thought it would. Talk to me about skeletons. I never in my fucking life thought that Jojo Part 5 would be out this soon, for example. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:55 I thought it was going to be a lot longer to Part 4. I thought it was going to be a lot longer to Part 5. Tell you about skeletons. You want to hear about skeletons? Wait real, real quick. Attack on Titan? So I didn't watch it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:09 And there's a reason for that. And I actually want to talk about that. Okay. The episode, The Ruler of the Walls, ends in such a way that it legitimately made me thought it was the end of the fucking season. Yeah. And then it took a break. It didn't come out the fucking following week, which made me think it was the end of the
Starting point is 00:24:28 season. I thought so too. I thought so too. I mean, yesterday, did you check out today's Attack on Titan? Multiple moments in this season where you could end it there. Moments. Right? And I go, huh?
Starting point is 00:24:40 And then I find out that apparently, even though they're going to take a six month break in like this episode, it's still technically Season 3. That's insane. I hate that. That's insane. So what happened was, remember, I believe, this is my speculation, remember a little while where they talked about the reason why Season 3 was so late is because they don't have the staff to work on it.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Got it. They literally have half of the people to work on it that they had for the first two seasons. Have you seen the quality though? Yeah. And I think that's what we're seeing. I think we're seeing like, yeah, we can do it. And then the people are doing their 100 hour work weeks and dropping like fucking flies.
Starting point is 00:25:20 And they're like, maybe we can't actually do it. Okay. It's still the season. So the legal shit or whatever. Like I'm having a hard time thinking of a show that's jumped from in quality this high where the success of it every season has just infused it with more money. The show looks like. Why the fuck do they have half the staff when it's Attack on Titan?
Starting point is 00:25:40 So here's how there's a lot of anime coming out. I guess, but like, are they working on animes that are bigger than Attack on Titan? No, I imagine they're working on animes that are more consistently produced than Attack on Titan. Fair enough. Yeah. Go watch that. Like that zombie rap anime with the idols.
Starting point is 00:26:02 As you, as you can imagine, every episode of this season is insanely important. It's called bomb droppers. Every single episode is insanely key and it continues to be that. And this one has some fucking powerful moments in it. So I should mention and only Wally and a couple of people were up to date. We'll get this. So do you remember the episode that we thought was the final? Which one?
Starting point is 00:26:29 There were many. The one where it ends with a loss. Yeah, sure. There's a character that's on the floor and they've lost. Yeah. That was a manga panel that I saw at like episode five. Oh, Jesus Christ. Multiple years ago and went...
Starting point is 00:26:46 That's not even, you have no context. No, but I was like, huh, cool. I better make sure to keep watching. Yeah, that's awesome. I went back to season two to point out... Just to see. To point out to just because I was talking with my girl and we were just going over like fucking great moments and, you know, yeah, there's just no way to...
Starting point is 00:27:13 I can't. No, you can't. I can't. But like, there's this one part... That part where Aaron yells was pretty good. Well, it's season two episode, the most important part of the sixth episode of the second season, right? So it's basically a nice like who done it reveal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:33 But it's done in such a casual and intense manner. So at the time of the podcast... It's my favorite thing. I think at the time of the podcast, like it came out. I don't think you had seen it quite yet. I was talking about it. And it's like, it's this massive anti-climax. It's just the best.
Starting point is 00:27:55 I rewatched it, right? For those of you who are in season two, episode six, I just rewatched the climax of that episode. And I'm like, I can't get over how much I love this moment. It's plain so fucking flat and boring. And it's so... But it's also so human. Yeah. It's so insanely human.
Starting point is 00:28:16 It's ironic considering all the monsters running around in my brain. What a fucking that. And I feel like that was like, there's a couple of moments in Attack on Titan that made me go like, all right, this is more than a dumb survival show, right? Like you're stuck in the walls, monsters are trying to kill you. Yeah. Okay, there's a bunch of those. Not really, but there's a bunch of death game things.
Starting point is 00:28:36 It's a goddamn zombie anime. It's a zombie-kaiju anime. And there's a couple of moments of just really strong characterization that made me go, okay, this is more than that. And you combine that with the fact that... I haven't mentioned it in a while, but characters that are smarter than you consistently, right? I spoke to a friend of mine who read the manga and confirmed that the season three that we are receiving is massively trimmed down from the manga.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Like, we're talking half. Because that arc, when it was releasing, was releasing sporadically and it was really long. And it was not a bomb dropper or a chapter. It was boring political stuff. So I was getting ready for everyone going, go get ready for the boring political. And I'm like, are you insane? This has been amazing. But I guess if it's edited for pace, then that makes a lot more sense.
Starting point is 00:29:42 That's how we get a bomb dropper. Because the quote-unquote political boring stuff has been really important and good so far. I like how anime has the ability to ruin by putting in filler, but also improving by taking out filler. Matt, this show has moments where you know that thing where you're like people talking in rooms really far away? This is like, can we cut back to the room where the people were talking? I never started season two. I finished season one. I just never got around to it. I really want you to finish that sentence that the scene inexplicably cut away during. They started doing that in season two where a character will run up to all of our protagonists and go,
Starting point is 00:30:28 oh my god guys, I have the most important thing in the world to tell you. Listen up. Cut to a day later and they're all riding on their horses quietly. Right, right. No, come on. Fuck you. Now you're only going to tell me when it's dramatic for me. But the characters will all know what's doing. So therefore the characters are then, at that moment, smarter than you. Because they have more info.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Exactly. And they're acting in ways that looks like they could predict the future. But in fact, they actually just knew what was happening. So you know how JoJo's outclassed their opponents by learning the rules of the fight and then plotting shit way in advance. Way too in advance, I would say. So like this is that on a squadron level scale. Right. And so everyone's like multiple people.
Starting point is 00:31:17 And it's fucking great when you see it happen. Because the only thing better than one person like outsmarting their enemy is the whole team outsmarting the others. I mean, that's an anime thing in general. Like some like shounen school will think of a plan. Think of how the plan will fail and then think of the backup plan because they know that the plan will fail, but they don't expect. They assume that the villain will not expect the initial plan to fail.
Starting point is 00:31:46 And it's it's whenever again, there's always a fine line between, oh, that's horseshit or OK, fuck, you pulled it off. And like there's a persona game that has a fucking like one that is like, you're bordering on horseshit. But I'll believe it. I'll believe it because you guys are pretty good. But I believe you're pretty good. All right. All right.
Starting point is 00:32:10 But oh, oh, you got real close. But I'm a fan of that. I'm a fan of like that's high stakes. Yeah, because it's it's anti dumb shounen, right? It's anti Naruto. It's anti bleach. Like there's anti. My main character doesn't know what's going on, but everyone else does there.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Even though there are still a couple of dumb characters, they're only done by the factor of their average intelligence. They're about as smart as you or I or whatever, right? They're not anime geniuses, but the smarter characters filled them in on the fucking plan. Yeah. So they're still like, OK, yeah, I'll do I'll shoot that guy or whatever you need to do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:49 And it's not the like everything has been clear for hours. And your main character is going, I don't get it. And then you have to do the slow, like walk through a hand hold or worse yet, the villain has to walk the protagonist through the plan. That's no, that's no fun. What? What do you mean? Oh, well, well, actually, your plan failed due to this.
Starting point is 00:33:17 Skeletons. So I didn't watch any more Overlord, but I did check out the second episode of Skullface, bookseller, Honda side. I watched the first episode. How'd you like it? What do you think? I think it's fucking great. Yeah, I think it's anyone who's worked a retail job feels their soul die.
Starting point is 00:33:32 It is really just. It's it's the aggregate suco of retail. That's got that vibe from one of the screenshots. I mean, that's why I said last week and this week was even realer because in the interim, like, you know, mid break, it's like, this manga was written by Honda son who used to work as a fucking bookseller. And he's at it. There's a section of talking to his editor where it's like,
Starting point is 00:33:54 I want to draw the skeleton more cute. And he's like, no, just draw the skeleton working hard. Normal. But like today's episode was about how hard it is to stock the books as they come in during the day and how some of my coworkers can't handle my section because I stock the American comic books. And those things are fucking crazy heavy. Like that's what this anime is about.
Starting point is 00:34:19 That's true. And it's fucking great. It's fucking great. There's no reason why anyone should not watch that. Unless you. If you're really scared of skeletons, maybe you shouldn't. Maybe, but it's. But even then.
Starting point is 00:34:32 It is. It is. It is. Don't give up skeleton. Does anyone acknowledge the fact that he's a skeleton? A single person at the store is some form of goofy generic monster. Great. There's there's full man.
Starting point is 00:34:46 There's gas mask, Senpai, and then there's Kitsune-san. And that's not what I was expecting, but I wanted there's bandage girl. I wanted no one to acknowledge random humans here and there. But I wanted no one to acknowledge the fact that he's a skeleton. I like that. No, the fact that he's a skeleton is immaterial. Moot. It is.
Starting point is 00:35:05 It is a visual flair only. Good. Yeah, that's great. I also watched, if we're going to talk about the shows that we watched, about 40 more episodes. A hunter hunter. So you're all caught up. No. No.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Okay. Wait, not 40. More like 20. We got to 61. That's less than half. Yeah, you're right. But it's there's a lot to go. There's 148.
Starting point is 00:35:27 So you can do it. I believe in you. There's things in this that woolly would like a lot. Of course there is. In particular, there is one like two or three. There's a ton of characters. So you have to love one of them. No, that's not what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:35:42 I'm talking about the way that certain arcs are handled and the way certain themes are brought up. Yeah. There is literally a character who Alex Valle gate keeps a fighting game tournament. Okay. All right. There's literally a villain who sits in front of the bracket sign up and says, no, you may not sign up for the bracket today.
Starting point is 00:36:07 I feel like you need to buy some sort of hunter hunter merch and wear it whenever these segments start. I feel like you need to get a hat with gone on it. And every time you start talking about this, you have to put the gone hat on. Don't like gone. No, you have to. He's not. This is the punishment.
Starting point is 00:36:24 He doesn't even stay the main character for the whole series. I'm going to buy you a gone hat and you're going to put it on every time you talk about this. I will. I will wear a curapica or Killua hat. I will not wear a gone hat. That's not what this is about. This is not about your pleasure.
Starting point is 00:36:40 I got. Why? It's got to be gone because it's not about the fun and the fishing rod has to be in the hat shot. It has to be in the art. The other thing that I can think of that would actually very much appeal to you is that there is a multi-arc storyline about that guy who Virgil do you essentially? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:01 I just want to hit him once. I lit the entire arc and theme is I just want to get one good hit. That's it. And if that happens, I can fucking go home and be like, yeah, that I got a hit in that guy's tough. But I punched him once is killua cool killer kid. Yeah, he is. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Yeah. Just checking. And curapica makes Sasuke look really. So if Naruto came afterwards and ripped off these characters, then I don't know what the fuck the Naruto author was doing because he made the characters very boring by comparison. I want to say like I wish my hero came first, but I don't think it would have been possible without. No.
Starting point is 00:37:45 It needed. Marvel's cinematic universe needed to happen. The shoulders of like bullshit tripping giants. No. Hero Academia stands on the shoulders of one piece and Hunter Hunter and you hack a show and then it was going to put its foot or hand on the shoulder of Naruto and bleach and went and recoil. Well, as long as the terra firma beneath them is Dragon Ball, you know, I think in this
Starting point is 00:38:13 analogy, Dragon Ball is like the earth. That's what I mean. It's it's the floor. It's the ground. It's the core. And and I mean, obviously you can go back to the seventies for your your shown in action, but like Dragon Ball is that formulaic version, I think I also the popular and this is going to get if your art to introduces your villain hero rival and then a fighting tournament
Starting point is 00:38:40 starts. Yeah, to demonstrate all the new cast. Yeah. Come the fuck on. It's it's it's the easiest way. It's a veritable. Who's that? You know, anime.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Did you like any of these cast? Well, well, how about these are prepared for you, you know, just Will Smith, Will Smith Hitch presenting one of the last parts of the Hunter exam after they have the big survival thing in the forest is they all file into a room and have a tournament between it. It is literally exactly the same as Naruto. It is identical. Fuck it. Naruto ripped that shit off what what what always like it's surprising me less and
Starting point is 00:39:20 less. But at the time, it surprised me was finding out about how like if you read like you you hack a show, you use does not at all start like it's going to go into a fighting tournament. No, but it just gets there anyway. It's like it starts like bleach and then it becomes a tournament. It's a detective fucking story. I got it. Oh, there's the evil doctor somewhere and it gets literal tournament fighters in the
Starting point is 00:39:43 shape of video games because they're like fucking wall. He just goes there like Flame of Reca is like, yo, we're going to be doing just a quick vengeance story. No biggie. Right. It's about your mom and shit. It was stuff like Grappler backy and fighting tournament and then fucking had you me. No.
Starting point is 00:40:00 It was like, oh, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you want to look at the other stuff that's in between the sea because those go into I feel like those those the Venn diagram overlaps with sports anime there. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:14 It's about you getting good at the profession and the journey into the profession will take you into a tournament at some point. Yeah. It's going to happen. It's like and even if it's not a tournament, it's like, oh, I went to soul society and a bunch of other sword fuckers are standing around. We had a tournament. So a bunch of random battles are waiting around your hunters version of that is so honest and
Starting point is 00:40:37 so straightforward as of like, I just want my characters to fight in a tournament. It's the most straightforward one I've ever seen. A character says, boy, we're broke. You want to go to the world fighting tower thing. We could make money there. Yeah. Okay. I hope we don't have any zany adventures.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Yeah. At fighting tournament world. Like I don't I don't know if if I assume one piece has a bunch of that. I watched a bunch of one piece and did not encounter it. But it sounded it always sounded to me like it was your tournament was just sailing to a new island. Yeah, it's a new island. There's new fighters.
Starting point is 00:41:18 It's some new bullshit. Exactly. Yeah. With a new hierarchy to get through. What else is there to say? So this is I got to go through this because it's important. Well, you like stands, Matt. You like stands.
Starting point is 00:41:31 I'm ordering the hat. Everybody likes stands. Yes. Right now. Okay. Why do you like stands? It's like a cool spirit power of what you want to do when it's outside of your body. You can be lazy too.
Starting point is 00:41:44 There you go. You can point and be posy and cool while they do all the work. Okay. See, that's a good that's a good one. Let's compare that to Naruto and Bleach's fucking got to work hard magic bullshit, which is always just I have a magic pretty much. So yeah, guess what Chakra turns into stands later. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:07 But what I mean is like, Hey, why are you able to do your fire breath attack? Because I learned how to do a fire breath attack. Naruto. Sure. How come you can make clones because I learned how to make clones and and and I always hoped I remember being like, Oh, cool. Ichigo's sword is a dude Zangetsu's a person. Oh, he's going to hang around and be a badass, right?
Starting point is 00:42:32 Is he going to kind of know how come you go real fast now? Ichigo because I learned how to go real fast, right? And that is somewhat unsatisfying with stands. You always have the weird ones or the weak ones, which people apply in goofy ways, which are always my favorite. So Hunter Hunter splits the difference. It has the most complex, like magic backstory system of anything I have ever seen to basically just give you stands without the person.
Starting point is 00:43:05 Is it not magic? It is called nen, which magic, whatever. But the what I mean, what I mean is, is that say in Naruto, Hey, I learned the clones and I learned the fire breath, I learned how to turn into a big dog or whatever, right? Why? Because shut up. There is an actual in universe skill tree and skill chart and sphere grid. The magic bullshit I'm talking about has a actual sphere grid with percentile chance
Starting point is 00:43:37 of learning moves and okay, that it is a hexagon of six of six classes. So yeah, so there's a point later on that like when they start explaining chakra and they go like this element plus this element equals this hybrid. Yeah, that's a rip off and these two together create. So they add an element of science to the magic bullshit. So the way that they get out of this way early before a single person ever does it, I shit you not, they sit you in a literal classroom for two and a half episodes and a character goes sorry, two and a half, two and a half.
Starting point is 00:44:14 And they go, this is how you turn it on. This is how you shoot it out. These are the six types enhancer, transmuter, it enhancer, transmuter, emitter, conjurer, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, specialist and I forget the six one. But these guys, these guys make things better. These guys move things around. These guys conjure objects. And then there's your sixth category for all the weirdos, Hufflepuff, the weirdo category,
Starting point is 00:44:51 and it establishes a system in which, hey, you, you're this, you can be good at all of these and only kind of good at some of these. So it has natural counter picks in the system, but like a guy pulls out a chart and says, since you're a conjurer, you only have a 40% chance of learning any transmitter technique. And even then, even if you learn it, you can only do it at half power. So let me guess, like this leads to a big fight of some kind where the fucking God King unstoppable Lord of Rock just happens to face off against paper man. That literally happened in the last episode I watched.
Starting point is 00:45:37 It's so predictable. It's like, this guy's unstoppable, but he just so happened to fight and it's called an Uchiha. Oh, no, you would have lost. If not for the fact that you were made of scissors. No, no, no, not like that. It's, it's, it's not hard counters. It's soft counters rather. It's not like, it's not like this just beats that.
Starting point is 00:46:05 It's just this skill set tends towards this. This skill set tends towards that. You just have a high chance. Okay. So it's not rock, paper, scissors. It's a, it's a seven three matchup. Right. So it's a nine one matchup.
Starting point is 00:46:16 There's a chance, but you got to be so and it's basic. It's just stands without stands. That's all it is. It's because like the one of the awesome was how much did you love one of the strongest guys ever? All he does is stick objects to other objects. That's literally the only trick that he uses. Oh man. I found a good hat, but it's currently unavailable.
Starting point is 00:46:34 You're fucking lucky. In what it is pretty good is what I'm saying. Found a nice one. Yeah, but doesn't that like hold it like if they're, how this rules to this fear grid they have to abide by, does not that limit the amount of, it would limit them, but like the, the fucking concepts are incredibly vague.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Okay. I got the concept of enhancing. What can you enhance yourself? Any object, anything around you? Okay. I got a question and I don't think we are going to have the answer, but someone out there might. Has there ever been a system like this in an anime where a character respects their entire,
Starting point is 00:47:12 their entire setup? Has there ever been a like, you know what? I can think of in a game. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Obviously. I'm learning. That's, that's, that's the, that's the best example in games.
Starting point is 00:47:22 But no, I'm talking, is there an anime where someone like respects their entire class and fucking puts the point somewhere else? At some point, I want to become the healer character now. I feel like, I feel like that's a, Nothing's hidden. Okay. Well, but yeah, Hunter, Hunter's great. Uh, once you're, once, once you have the urge to watch more Hero Aka and there isn't more Hero
Starting point is 00:47:47 Aka to watch, uh, you should probably pick it up. I will not. Okay. But I also, um, I know that there are other things and I feel like if I ever do it, I have to do it with John right there. I feel like I have to do it in 48 episodes. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Well, that's not going to happen. Yeah. Well, you can do it over Discord. Well, that's, that's the point of setting impossible goals. But you have a chance of doing it. But I will, I will do it sitting down with Ipatch Wolf properly so that he can do the thing where he stares at me every time something cool happens to see how
Starting point is 00:48:25 if I'm reacting to it or not, where you're looking at my face on your phone. And he's like, oh, people are on their phone and you're watching them for the cool thing to happen. I just want to slap the fucking phone out. Because I always yell like you're missing the jokes. But if I know you're looking at me, I'll fucking pull my phone out on purpose. You know what's worse than that? What's worse than that?
Starting point is 00:48:44 Sitting down to fucking watch some anime and it's not, it's, and it's obviously it's in Japanese, so you have to read the subtitles and catch what's going on. And my girl happens to be the type that's like, I'm going to look all the way into my bowl of food while I'm eating and get a nice big scoop up and then look back up and then eat and put it in my mouth and stare at the plate and then look back up a little bit. And I'm like, stop, pause. What are we doing here? Are we reading it?
Starting point is 00:49:09 Like, it's not, it's just like, I'm like, it's, it's, it's like, it's not to be like that annoying, like, like, watcher. But also to be that annoying watcher. But like, you literally didn't see the last 10 seconds. You know, and you don't speak Japanese. Put food aside, woman. I get irrationally upset when the people around me are like, hey, let's watch this. And then they do anything but stare at it with rapt attention.
Starting point is 00:49:33 It makes me go crazy. It's, if I know it's Jeff, I know you have to read subtitles and you're staring at your fucking food like, no, back it up. All right, watch the dub. Let's finish this off. You know what's really or let's put that in. Let's get, let's get some kind of like slurpy shake going or you should get see through bowls and silverware.
Starting point is 00:49:51 Oh, so you can like peek through it. You know what, can't you get any clear plates? You know what the actual worst one is? And I've had, I've dealt with this with so many people and they're like, okay, let's watch this. Okay, we're watching it. Okay, good show. All right. They get up, they gotta go to the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Oh, don't worry about it. Don't just just fill me in. I'm like, no, no, I don't want to fill anyone in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the worst experience. Pause that shit. Oh, but generally it depends on what it is. Like if it's like a standup special on Netflix, I'll just turn the volume up.
Starting point is 00:50:26 But ultimately, yeah, pause the fucking shit. You know, it makes me go crazy. All right. You watch any anime? What's going on? I guess we're doing an anime watcher. Of course not. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:50:37 I watched horror. Is that an anime? No, it's not. You can sometimes overlap the two, but I don't think I don't think. I've watched Monster, I've watched Elfin Lied. That's it. Yeah, I don't think anything's peaked mass interest recently. But like, yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:50:50 In the land of Deep Pond. Skullface, Honda, San did, but. Oh, Agritsuko as well. And Greg Gritsuko. No, I watched the new Netflix horror movie called Apostle. House on Haunted Hill. I did that as well. But Apostle.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Or The Haunting on House Hill. The Haunting of Hill House. The Haunting of House. You're doing it, man. You're really. No, there's a movie called House on Haunted Hill. Yeah, there is. And then this thing is.
Starting point is 00:51:16 From 1999 with God. Who was it? Karki Romano. Actor. Karki Romano. Yeah, sure. From SNL. Anyway, who is it?
Starting point is 00:51:30 God. Fuck. Who is the guy? Mango. We're saying all of his characters and the other brother from Night at the Rocksbury, Not Full of Feral. God damn it, Mango. What's your real name?
Starting point is 00:51:43 Mango. The teacher that comes in and goes, Papkees. Why do I want to say Kyle Katarn? That's wrong. That's very. It's not Chris Katarn. It's not Chris Katarn.
Starting point is 00:51:51 That's why I wanted to say Kyle Katarn. Close enough. Oh, if Chris Katarn was Kyle Katarn, fuck. What if Kyle Katarn was Chris Katarn? What if Kyle Katarn was Korki Romano? Anyway, Apostle is a horror film that is written, directed, and produced by the writer and director of The Raid movies. I see.
Starting point is 00:52:13 And you're like, OK, well, I can't wait for a slow burn British cult horror movie, because that's what this is. Very much the opposite of The Raid. The departure. And The Raid too. It's probably because he's like. I did it. I beat it.
Starting point is 00:52:30 We did it. Yeah. Right. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, we're going in too much because it's kind of like a mystery thing, but it was really, really good. It stars Dan Stevens, who is in Legion. If you've seen a bit of that.
Starting point is 00:52:45 Did not, but I remember your recommendation. But he's an incredible actor. And it's like, yeah, it's it takes place in like the 30s. And it's like, I'm going to go to this cult and save my sister. And that's it. He's just in this cult. And he's just trying to figure out it's on an island. And boy, this cult seems evil.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Oh, boy, I sure hope there's they're not worshiping something. Well, because I don't think that's real. But then it gets super real. Oh, man. But it was my favorite part. It was quite, quite good. A lot of tension, a lot of gore. And what was the other sort of point about it?
Starting point is 00:53:21 It's like goes into some unexpected places. It kind of drops a couple of storylines. Some characters don't get to do as much as the movie makes it seem like they'll do. Like, oh, it's really about this person. It's like, nah, it's not really. It's just let's go down this other path. But I definitely recommend it.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Is it was quite good. And then, yeah, the haunting of Hill House, which I've heard a lot about a lot of like 100 10 out of 10 review stuff. And that's like a series of like, I think 10 episodes, standard Netflix fare. And it starts, of course, one Carla Gugino, who I'm just, yeah, all about her. Did you did you go through like first episode or the first three?
Starting point is 00:54:04 Okay. Because the one thing I heard about it that is interesting to me is that it's not just that it's a scary haunted house thing. It's that it goes into like aftermath and trauma. Yes. And it focuses on the first three episodes is it's over. And it focuses on like PTSD. Because it takes place between two time periods
Starting point is 00:54:27 when all these siblings in this family were kids, when they were living in this house, then it goes in the real like what we're a time frame right now where they're all adults. That's a way more fascinating time frame. They all have phobias. They all kind of messed up like one's a drug addict. One makes up is a writer and just I've never seen a ghost. And everyone has their reasons.
Starting point is 00:54:47 It's like I'm a mortician. That's a way more fascinating time frame to set your story. And then it's very interesting the time when the scary shit happens. The movie, the show also has a lot of smart dialogue where someone will talk about the paranormal in such a way or I'm like, I've never heard that discussion where the writer of like scary stories. He's meeting someone that's like, I want to tell you my my spooky story.
Starting point is 00:55:10 And then they go, my husband died in a car crash, blah, blah, blah. Here's my story. And he goes, yeah, that's, you know, really interesting. I'm like, sorry for your loss. And then he sleeps in the house. Nothing happens. And he comes up with all these reasons like this is why you believe what you saw or whatever. Like, oh, those that dripping.
Starting point is 00:55:28 That's because you have a water leak and blah, blah, blah. And she goes, well, that sucks. You've never seen anything paranormal or supernatural. And he goes, there's no such thing as supernatural. Medieval man thought an angry God was staring at them when there was an eclipse. Now we realize what that is. So now it's just like natural. I like to use the term pre natural.
Starting point is 00:55:55 We don't know what that is yet. But once we figure it out, it'll be normal. That's some fucking Mulder shit. It is. But I've never heard that. You mean Scully. I mean Scully. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:05 Well, I mean, she doesn't even get there. She'll see a vampire and she'll be like, I don't know what it was. So he says all that shit and then a spooky vampire with a zombie head attacks him. But Scully wouldn't say like, oh, I prefer the term pre natural. No, no, no, no. Scully would say this man used stab to death and cut all his arms and legs off and is talking to us. That's a hoax. I must be high on gas.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Yeah, that's what it is. It's always, we were high. So it's 90% of exiles we were high. It's the believer that will rationalize it, which is a mixture of both. Yeah. But like, you know, everyone has their own interests. There's one sibling of this group that's really irritating, at least by episode three. I'm like, oh, my God, shut up.
Starting point is 00:56:51 They guilt trip everybody. They're like, oh, I'm the one that does it. I'm like, oh, my God, you're go away heat. Please leave the show. Like maybe they'll get better or whatever. But it is quite good. No jumpscares really. They're just been kind of dread and like, oh, that's weird.
Starting point is 00:57:09 That's weird. There has been like no loud noises and it's it's really good. A lot of people have been telling me it's like it only like it's outstanding by the end of it. You're like, you're going to be, you know, thrown for a loop. So the last episode is a 22 minute long jump scare. Yeah, that would be impressive. Just to have that going on.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Like how does the like what? It's either a jump scare every second or it's just one sustained scream. The only way I'm trying to think of how to make that work. And it has to be a series of smash cuts of like peaceful scenes being horribly interrupted and then smash cutting to another peaceful scene. So like people are having a picnic in the park and then someone explodes and then smash cut to a wedding and everyone's like happy. And then someone explodes and then like, I don't know how you even get used to it by
Starting point is 00:58:05 like the fifth one. So anyway, yeah, no, I highly recommend both those things. And in terms of games, I just like booted a few things up. How's Mark of the Ninja? Oh, yeah. The remaster came out. I do not recommend playing that in handheld mode on the switch because it's another one of those games where I'm like, this game is so zoomed out.
Starting point is 00:58:30 If anyone's played Mark of the Ninja, your character model is tiny and there's tons of little missing details that like it's in handheld mode, just can't do it. So you, you know, recommend playing that on any other console or switching on docked. Yeah, I played a bit more Odyssey, not much to say where I am. Just doing side quests. Hey, what, what, what can this mysterious do for you? Please go kill blank or steal blank and consider it done. I will kill them.
Starting point is 00:59:01 There you are. Did you kill them every last one? Hey, what is it? Like after a while, I am struggling to find any interesting side quests. Yeah. So they front load that game with interesting side quests. Then maybe I'm just not finding them, but I'm just going around every little shit island. How many hours has it been since your last meaningful cutscene?
Starting point is 00:59:26 Meaningful cutscene? I've been purposely avoiding that. Did you go to the island in which the dagger has taken over the entire island? The dagger, no. Okay, that's that's pretty close. It's southeast one island from the forge. Okay, that's the thing that you can go in a completely different opposite. It has a multi-chain quest that is about like a secret shadow organization running the island.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Also, fuck the Prince of Persia side quest. Oh yeah, you don't like it? I don't like that. Why don't you like it? I also, I bet you people that like Splinter Cell also don't like Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Why is that? For obvious reasons or for non-obvious reasons? Because they just put Sam Fisher's Night Goggles and they're like, ha ha!
Starting point is 01:00:07 Look at that old thing. Yeah, okay. So the one thing, as I played a lot more of it. That's never coming back. I might have even passed you in playtime because I just grinded out a bunch of those islands. I'm like 30 hours. Yeah, me too. So we're about the same bit.
Starting point is 01:00:19 I'm 26. I'm 31. Okay, yeah, you okay. But you might have done more. I might have dallyed. You know what I mean? So the real world sections are a new batch, a new type of infuriating. Because one, have you gotten a second one yet, Matt?
Starting point is 01:00:42 No, I've gotten a second one. That's it. Yeah, there have been one, the difficulty selector. And then you walk out and can go write the fuck back in 10 seconds later, unless you want to read a bunch of emails. That's all, yeah, that's all it is. I write every single goddamn one. And boy, is that shit infuriating.
Starting point is 01:01:02 Because they talk about the cool missions they had in Russia, Australia, Japan, and Quebec City. Wow. Fucking no province slash state or country wants to get itself more over than Quebec. Fuck you. We constantly shove shit in, in Deus Ex, in this. Oh my god.
Starting point is 01:01:23 They're just like, oh, fuck it, this is the best. It's running around cobblestone streets. I was so fucking pissed off, man. That's a weird drop. That's a weird drop right there. Well, the dev studio, man, this is kivics. Yeah, kivics, that's what I mean. But I had just got done on a Twitter tirade,
Starting point is 01:01:41 going like, I'm tired of Western Europe for Assassin's Creed. I'm tired of Europe in general. Can we get something in East Asia? Can we get something in South America, right? And then I go, it's like, oh yeah, there was a whole game that we didn't see that took place in fucking Australia. Well, there was China, but why would you play there? I'm striking those spinoffs from the weather.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Um, that game, so it's the kind of thing where it's like, there's a big kerfuffle right now of whether the game is padded for length so that you buy the microtransaction XPs. While I personally don't feel that, because I enjoy filling out every checkmark and going every location.
Starting point is 01:02:23 Unless you really enjoy sneaking around and stabbing people in Assassin's Creed and the general combat. Yeah, it's pretty samey. Yeah, it's- As origins. No, I mean, as to itself. Quest to quest, yes.
Starting point is 01:02:37 Yeah, like, the flavor of a little girl going, I need to make fucking jewelry for my- Get me shark bladders. For my fucking friends I made out of clay because I'm a loser. Yeah, yeah. Like, that's actually just a quest of like, run down to this area.
Starting point is 01:02:52 And pick up three, like, components. Are you hanging out with famous Greek people? Yes. Not that, not like, the most famous where I am in the game. There are some, but like, not like, Socrates is in the game, but I've never- Well, the most famous Greek person is the one you're hanging out with the most.
Starting point is 01:03:08 Uh, God. Herodotus. Yeah, Herodotus. Yeah, which I- Herodotus Malaca. Yeah, okay. He the first- Malacapusti.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Herodotus is the first historian, that guy, that nerd. Yeah. And, uh, but, uh, yeah, no, if you get to- And there's the father of- What is this? The father of democracy? Not democracy. There's another guy, Pelichlis.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Pelichlis. Yeah, yeah. He's the daddy of democracy, apparently. Yeah, the daddy of democracy. Supposedly. Yeah. But, uh, and Barnabas seems like he's probably a mythic figure or something.
Starting point is 01:03:39 He seems cool. But it's not like Assassin's Creed at CO things, where Leonardo da Vinci is making you tanks every other day. Yeah. Right. Tripping over your balls. Oh, look, it's Ben Franklin. But also, like-
Starting point is 01:03:50 What are you doing in Italy? Personally, less familiar with a lot of these old Greek people than I am with, say, the Renaissance Italians. Yeah. Or whatnot. But yeah, no, it can get samey. Like, I- I gladly enjoy filling out a map in a big-ass open world game that is extraordinarily relaxing to me.
Starting point is 01:04:10 You know what I'll do when I'll go to an undiscovered place and I'll go, I'm like, what is it? Is it a cave? Is it a cave? It's a cave? No, I'm going the other direction. I'm so sick of caves. Every single goddamn place in the world.
Starting point is 01:04:20 I found an- I found an alpha animal. Like, you know, the ones who was like, kill the alpha animal? Yeah, they're not very tough. I don't see any alpha animals here. Where the fuck is it? I've been everywhere. Okay, I guess it's just not here.
Starting point is 01:04:31 It hasn't spawned in. And then the alpha chicken shows up. And I'm fighting those swarm of cuckoos. And I'm like, oh, that's the alpha animal. And it took about one hit to kill it. Okay. So- Was that worth traveling to this island?
Starting point is 01:04:46 That's $3,000? There is one more thing I do want to talk about, honestly. Do you remember that polygon article that everybody made fun of? Which was, boy, so that's the screen, obviously. It really picks up in 15 hours. It's not faster than 15 hours. It's fucking true. So-
Starting point is 01:04:56 Wait, no, it's not true. It's the opposite. That should- I understand the point they were trying to make. They should have phrased that whole thing differently. It should be say that it pops off after 15 hours. Because after 15 hours, when you get to a certain thing, you unlock your primary upgrade thing. You unlock a completely new gameplay system.
Starting point is 01:05:15 Yeah. You progress in the story to uncover your primary antagonist. I mean, there's tons of games where that is applicable, but that's still not the right way. No. But guess what? It implies the first 15 are boring. Near-automata really pops off after the first 15 hours.
Starting point is 01:05:33 Yeah. It really does. But you wouldn't say it started picking up at Route C. Come on. Come on. But no, the point remains is that there's stuff that they never advertise that triggers like 10 hours into the game. And like it's-
Starting point is 01:05:49 Like tabs on your start menu. The fucking spider web menu or whatever. Yeah. Like it is a super radical feature that was never talked about. And I'm very grateful that it wasn't. Because that was a shock when I saw it. Yeah, game's good, but it's also insanely long. And the more that I play it,
Starting point is 01:06:11 the more that I think like your personal opinion of that game is going to depend wildly on how much of that game you sat down to play in the first place. If you wanted to sit down and play like- I want to play Assassin's Creed game. Get like 20, 25 hours in. Have a great story. Do the-
Starting point is 01:06:27 No. Fuck you. You're sitting down for 60 to 100, and you're going to enjoy it. And if you don't, you don't. And that's kind of it. But unfortunately the combat is so good and the actual fighting is like better than it's ever been.
Starting point is 01:06:41 And Cassandra's awesome. So there's all that's keeping me like happy. But it's just kind of a side quest where I'm not finding- Like they just haven't- I'm not sure if they're randomly placed or whatever it is, but it's like they haven't placed interesting ones- Let me ask you- With all the busy work stuff that needs to be there.
Starting point is 01:06:59 Let me ask you a question. Because the side quests you pick up with exclamation points, those are all unique and have proper context. The ones that you pick up from the board, those are all generic. I know. I've never done the board. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:14 That's only if you're like, I don't need levels right now. No, I'm saying I'm just going around the map and I just see one pop up like an NPC that's just standing there. I'm like, what you got? What you want? And then they're like, please get me more bare bladders
Starting point is 01:07:29 so I can put a message in them and carry it 100 meters over there. And then this other guy's like, I'm going to lock myself in this fucking cage until you fuck my dad. Yeah. What's the worst type of mission? Gather. Just gathering something?
Starting point is 01:07:46 Hey, my dick doesn't work. I need flowers from this mountain. Like flower minerals and things like getting like- Go go go- Go top to it and then it'll create like a, like a, you know, 10 meter zone. Okay. And then it's like, go find the flowers or whatever.
Starting point is 01:08:00 That's the worst. That one is also by far the rarest. Yeah, it sounds like a standard fetch, yeah. Yeah. But like when it's just like, can you kill a couple of bandits over there? I'm like, oh, it's going to do that anyway. So sure.
Starting point is 01:08:11 Yeah, I'm scraping this map of life. So what the way that I've been playing the game is created like this weird, I don't know, it's it's fucked up a bunch of the side quests. Because when I land on an island, I go say land on the north end of an island. Yeah. I am like taking my hand and scraping the content off of it.
Starting point is 01:08:31 So oftentimes I get to the bottom of the island and there's a side quest. He's like, hey, man, you got to go get this thing back that these bandits stole. And Cassandra goes, yeah, I got it. Here you go. That's based on the honor system. Can you, oh geez, these, these Spartan commanders
Starting point is 01:08:46 are destroying our crops and pissing on our faces. I took care of them and killed them all. Oh, you did. Yeah. No, I did. I did it. Okay, give me the money, please. I just did that on the way here for fun.
Starting point is 01:08:57 And they're like, okay, can we get it? Can we get a confirmation on that? Do we want to send a scout? Like I was gonna say, it's either that or like a, here's a pile of ears, you know, but yeah. I guess there is no other like solution. Well, oftentimes it's items like you'll be, you'll kill a big fancy leader man and you'll loot him.
Starting point is 01:09:13 And then it'll like, you'll get a thing. It's like, if one of them was a pot, it's like, you just got a quest pot. I'm like, I did. What, why? And then I get to the bottom of the island and it's like, some bandits that stole my master's pot and it's like, okay, fine. Curling Nescar.
Starting point is 01:09:30 That'd be great if there was a game where you could like take a quest and then just walk outside and like just do a bunch of bullshit and walk back in and be like, yeah. I'll tell you what though. Totally took care of it. There is something really bizarre in the game that made me feel kind of uncomfortable. And I don't know what it is. Maybe I don't know history well enough.
Starting point is 01:09:47 But did you get to the slavery islands? What? So there's slavery islands. There's two islands that are defined as like, oh man, we love slaves here. And the slaves are like, no, it's good to be a slave. Don't worry about it. And a bunch of side quests that are like, oh man, I really don't want to stop being a slave.
Starting point is 01:10:10 Can you lie to my master to tell him that I did a bunch of bad shit so that I have to keep being a slave? And it's really weird. It's really, really weird. I'm on a island called like Roxas or Roxar or something like that. That's the end. They worship Apollo, maybe. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:10:30 Oh, a diagnosis. What the what the what the what? So they're not of any particular ethnic group. They're all Greeks. Clearly, but right. The main reason that I can see is that the choice is between slavery and being homeless. Okay. And you're in a city state in which your country that you have access to
Starting point is 01:10:53 is smaller than Laval. Sure. So either I live as a slave in this guy's house or I go begging on the street and then die. Yeah. But it's so like, luckily Cassandra or Alexios has the ability to go, huh? What? Join my crew then.
Starting point is 01:11:13 No. Okay. No. No, like just over and over and over. But yeah, no, there's two like little city states that are just like slavery town and everyone there loves being slaves. And it's fucking weird. It's bizarre where you solve it.
Starting point is 01:11:30 And then you're like, well, why don't you join my crew? And that fails. I have not seen it fail. I have been like, I here's here's all the fucking goat penises you need, sir. And he's like, thank you. Oh, I really need this. And it helped me out immensely. Why don't you join my crew?
Starting point is 01:11:48 No. Oh, like this is option there. Did I not have a high enough courage? Did you not slam them hard enough? No. I mean, that wasn't even an option. I haven't got a romance option a while. I must stink or something.
Starting point is 01:12:02 It's the weirdest that so many parts of that game are so bizarre because they're all gamified and shit. But it's like you dive down into a fucking deep sea wreck, a sunken ship, and you search a treasure chest. And what did you unlock? You unlocked barbarians for your ship. Yeah. So now you go into the ship menu and go over to the the crew option
Starting point is 01:12:24 to change the visuals of your crew. You pass out the uniforms from Greeks, which are common rarity to Persians, which are blue rarity to barbarians. Those are purples. That's an epic program in all these cultures. It's so weird. It's so weird. And it's like, oh, cool.
Starting point is 01:12:43 I got an epic golden octopus figurehead for my fucking ship. Yeah. I thought you said they were downplaying the boating parts. That there is. It is. They downplay the boating part until the 15 hour mark because in the 15 prior to that is you are mainly landlocked with one channel that you're going back and forth in.
Starting point is 01:13:03 And then the eastern side of that. And then you get out of mid-gar. But there's still less combat options or they're slightly different. It's not. I just don't find it as involved. Throwing. I think you move a lot faster. Throwing spears and shooting arrows is not as fun as firing cannons.
Starting point is 01:13:21 No. That's the that's the bummer. Yeah. Did you ever dive into a shipwreck and you get to the loot the treasure chest and says you need a key because I freaked my shit. Why would I need a key. That's a side quest for sure then. It has to have been because I'm a bit but nothing triggered nothing happened.
Starting point is 01:13:39 So I feel like the way games would get around the whole like oh there weren't any cannons at the time would be like here's a prototype thing that I don't know how it works. But so most of the time you just loaded some rocks in there. Most of the time you'd be right. But I don't think the concept of gunpowder even existed worldwide until like 500 years ago. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:04 It's some kind of crazy prototype. I don't think. Yeah. Like that's like in the Italian games where they're out of it. She's like I call it the chain gun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Yeah. No you don't. Oh it uses wood you know. This is some kind of Panzer tank. I invest around in my basement and it's popped out. Literally a tank you know. Pop the boopy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Okay I'm having a lot of fun with it. It feels like. It shakes my lacka. So origins came out and was great but it had problems. Like the biggest improvement that I feel from one to the other is that I'm not having to track down a hundred fucking billion crocodiles to hunt for leather to upgrade my shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:45 That was infuriating in origins. That system is all. And dismantling your old gear in this now. Provides plenty. Yeah. Like that was the worst part about origins and you had to do it all the time. I feel like this is a good half step to something good and honestly is great.
Starting point is 01:15:00 I think that since they're not bringing out one next year I think that everyone should get really excited for the one after this because there are still some rough edges and some content things to work out but they're going somewhere. Every game like origins was a little bit of an RPG. This is much more of an RPG. Yeah. And then the next one feels like it'll be mostly RPG.
Starting point is 01:15:26 Because I watched a video where they like confirmed that Ubisoft directly confirmed that's like well they started work on Odyssey like you know about a year after work started on origins. And so they're both in development at the same time for a bit and once origins came out they're like oh what do people not like from origins. Let's work on that. Like one of the things I found out about is that like in origins I don't remember this but like they had all the photo shit was all over
Starting point is 01:15:53 and have the little stupid things that clutter up your map. That's right. And maybe not on the initial version maybe they patched it out later but when I was looking up like how the fuck do I turn these off in Odyssey. And I'm like oh it's just pressing the R trigger because well it's like I want to go here let me put my waypoint there. No. But a bunch of jackasses took photos and it populates your map.
Starting point is 01:16:15 Dick master. So it's covered with shit. Loaded his photos up. And apparently in origins you couldn't turn that off. Not for a little while. Not for a little while. That sucks. And in this it's like you can you can say select I only want to see my photos
Starting point is 01:16:26 or my friend's photos or I want to see no photos. Little little quality of life things like that seem across the board. By the way they put out a patch with that recently that did the most important thing ever. You get more wood from destroying ships. For origins or for this. For this for Odyssey. Which wood is hard to come by but you get it from killing ships. I'm always kind of running into it when I'm running around and just grabbing all of tree.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Get out of the roots. Anything else because I have a. No I'm good. All right. So speaking of it pops off after four to 15 hours speaking of filling out the map. And speaking of making the formula work after multiple entries. Oh I know what he's talking about. He's talking about spider spider cop.
Starting point is 01:17:15 Right. I beat it. Spider cop. Yo how about that. Spider cop hanging up. Last two hours. Yup. Yeah man.
Starting point is 01:17:25 So here's a thing. I can look back and say like I have once again benefited from avoiding the predecessors in the forms of the Arkham games because I really. When you finally play an Arkham game it's going to be not beneficial because you're like. Yeah. Because I got the best version of it. And I can tell because there were multiple map objectives where I just I happened to cross one and then I did it.
Starting point is 01:18:01 And then the game goes oh that's all of them. And I went wait what. Yeah. I wasn't even paying attention. I just did them all. The side quest content in that game is perfect. Like compared to Assassin's Creed Odyssey especially. Too much.
Starting point is 01:18:17 Hey you want to do the pigeon chasing shit. There's 12. And I and I happen I always swang out I was swinging around and then one just takes off and I'm like yeah fuck it. Right. This is a really not a great time. Like I have to urgently get to my location but I'll catch a pigeon. It's right there.
Starting point is 01:18:33 You know. And in Amazing Spider-Man 2 the last game coming out that had about 700 comic book pages that were floating around. Yes. Yes. Yes. And you would think you would do it because it would say 75. And you go oh I got all 75 cool.
Starting point is 01:18:49 And they're like no that's of that tier. Now we populated the New York with a hundred more. And then you do a hundred. And like here's another hundred. And I'm like oh that's that's the like the least interesting ones were like the the camera set up ones where you have to go fucking take a picture. Yeah. I kind of thought those were fun and they last too long.
Starting point is 01:19:11 I saw I did like I did like five of them and went like all right I get it. You know. And the main idea is you're supposed to be able to do them while you're swinging by. And I but I just ignored them. And then somewhere towards the end I just went fuck it let me just go wrap this up. And it took 10 minutes. Yeah. Yeah dude.
Starting point is 01:19:26 It's crazy. And you get a cool reward for doing it. And then I was like oh that's a fucking great payoff. Took me like an hour and a half total to get every backpack in the game. Yeah I so that the backpack is it exactly that's one of the examples where like I looked at the map and I looked at the I got the the black pack the black cat reward. The black pack. I looked at that.
Starting point is 01:19:47 And then I saw I saw like oh get all the backpacks to get the other reward here. And I was like how many are left. And I was like one. I had one unchecked. And I was like well fuck me and I just got it. And I was like wasn't paying attention right. Right around the time when I was like okay this combat I've pretty much have it down to like a T. It's mastered.
Starting point is 01:20:10 I feel like I'm doing really well with it. I'm constantly racking up the goals no problems whatsoever. The game enters its final phase where it goes all right now go do one of those bases. This shit's going to be like eight waves. Yeah they're quite durable. And you go oh fuck yeah you brought it up right. The game I like just around the time I got comfy it then steps it up and goes well now it's just going to last a while.
Starting point is 01:20:34 And also there's fuckers flying and you know all kinds of shit's going on. You got jetpackers. Sable guys. And yeah I'm trying not to like get too detailed for people that still want to go through Spiderman. But although those military guys were shown off in trailers. You're safe on that. Fair enough. The villains are really good man.
Starting point is 01:20:56 These are some really good villains. And I yeah your big bad villain is astonishingly well developed over the course of the game. Everyone everyone has like their sympathetic point is not like you threw that in their thing. It's a well it's it's it's explored. I should say you know my yeah and the game definitely has one of those small world everything must be connected tropes going in full effect. But by the time you get there it doesn't bother me because I feel like you've been seeing the breadcrumbs for 20 hours.
Starting point is 01:21:38 So you're like OK yeah that makes sense that there's a connection here. You know what I loved about what you're describing with the sympathetic motivations of the villains. The important villains get tons of history and the shit and then and then electrodes like I'm an electricity man. Yeah yeah yeah. And Rino's like I'm a bomb big like it's like they they're fucking cartoons. It's hilarious. Not only is it the best electrodes ever been.
Starting point is 01:22:04 He's L.I. Joe with powers. At least get one explanation as to like what this particular version of the characters. Like why are they even a criminal. Everyone at least gets something where you're like OK. That's interesting. Then then ever will they get they get that. And then they also get a nice like quiet moment of like what do you actually want out of this. Yes.
Starting point is 01:22:28 And then but Electro has a fucking like hit the most defining thing about him is the fact that he responds to a quiff. Right. He's straight up response to a Spider-Man quiff. And you're like he doesn't need any more establishment. He just said he just fucking Ivan dragoed it. It's the best. You know.
Starting point is 01:22:47 I I because he is the person that the game establishes. Spidey has like I think that when you find Electro he's like dude how many times. Like 20 times. How many times do we have to do this. And they have the newspaper article where it's Electro is the first super powered guy. So like they have done this so much. Yeah. I know Electro would be the one to actually back and forth with them.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Even off camera motherfuckers like Kingpin get some work put in and a little bit of backstory going on as the game goes on. I feel like Scorpion probably got the least of it. But it's still the best Scorpion I've seen in a while. I'm like you're a threat. And it's one of the best options in the entire game. Unless you unless you want to go into like Matt Gargan. Yeah I'm sure there's some other stuff.
Starting point is 01:23:31 But like in terms of video game Scorpion. So I I I didn't notice it in the boss fight when it happened. But I was later pointed out to me that like you have to web Gargan up because he's not activating your spider sense dodge. Oh I did that automatically. Yeah no what I mean is it's like oh right that's one of his fucking things. Yeah. Is that he bypasses spider sense.
Starting point is 01:23:54 And I didn't even mentally put it together. And the fact that they introduce the gameplay wise they introduce these bosses in like you know different ways. And then you're like all right now get ready for some two on two on wines and stuff. You gotta learn the rules. They're amazingly designed because they should be messes. Each because like each boss is essentially like a new enemy type. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:17 And just like with enemy types you have to get used to fighting them in waves. When you fight boss the bosses in waves it makes it an interesting mix up on the game. It's like the when you're fighting the duo bosses. It is the best. It is the closest in my mind to realizing the superhero fantasy a game has ever come because I remember beating them not because they were easy but but because the sequence was so good going. I bet I could have taken on an extra one and I bet I could have added shocker in here at
Starting point is 01:24:47 the same time and been able to do it because I'm spider-man. And like and I had in a moment of like I wonder if I can make them attack each all totally works right. You can have those moments in there. Yeah man. And by the time you fill out your combat tree you're just fucking untouchable levels when I had everything right adding you're adding so much to it like a double tap on your on your timing on your combo inputs to build more focus and then sequence focusing
Starting point is 01:25:18 one to the other to the other where like you just clear a roof of six guys with takedowns and like you know your suitability like there's just so much going on. You mentioned that you didn't use gadgets a lot. I started to use them. I went crazy on gadgets by the end. When you get to the military guys you really want to use the gadgets. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:39 Spider bro plus drones you know just surrounding the screen was shit. Spider bro and web loss are fucking massively broken. It's so crazy. Um but yeah so it just it's just a really really fun thing that you find yourself finishing out that map not even knowing or not even paying attention to it. I'm even webbing around something even when this when the game goes hey man I haven't had a time to go on patrol. There's been a lot of action.
Starting point is 01:26:03 Let's do some patrolling. Yeah cool because I just want to swing around do some shit while the next J Jonah kicks in. Yeah. I'm waiting for J Jonah's next podcast. It's really worrying because there's like he's usually nuts but there's like a couple near the end of the game where you're like oh you're like hey okay maybe he's he's pretty good. Yeah I think that's on purpose. Yeah where like there's the one where it's like how come nobody told us that there was
Starting point is 01:26:26 this horrible thing happening in the city isn't that important. Yeah yeah it's like yeah yeah actually that would have been important Jonah you're totally right. There's no way to avoid this but what you're not just a Fox News pundit type that you know you kind of are like you're meant to sound out sound out that way and you are but there is a little bit more to it. Like after you've been in the game like yeah his he gets he has his tone changes but if you still have a shit left to do on the map he'll go back because if you start doing things like getting pigeons or whatever it is you'd be like Spider-Man is a medicine trying to get
Starting point is 01:27:03 he's gonna eat those fucking pigeons. Okay so I think I got 52 of his tapes. Oh shit I never even looked at that menu. So I want to uh yeah every time I missed one because you never had any that like cut off suddenly. I wear it quite rarely I usually stop swinging when he started talking. Okay because I would whenever one cut off I'd go back and listen to it in the in the menu um and I wanted to know if there was any that kicked in post game. There are.
Starting point is 01:27:31 Okay because I have some of them are old ones a couple are new ones about hey listen something some stuff okay okay okay okay cool I'll definitely but those will be at war with if you're still got anything left to do on the map which you yeah yeah which which stuff on the map sometimes then you'll do that fucking science mission and it's like Spider-Man's dumping in your tap water yeah or like and hey MJ are we cool no all right let's go do this mission. Hey MJ we're cool yeah for this mission because that's the timing of this moment you know. I think I said in the the video I put out about why the the game gets so many things right is that like for a next game sequel whatever wait just to throw out a game that you think
Starting point is 01:28:16 what's the last time J. Jonah Jameson is visibly in a game you throw out a Spider-Man game that you think was the last time he was physically in the game world doing something I feel like not like a picture on a I feel like there was a cutscene in the shitty PC version of 2 where he where he's yelling at Parker in the beginning for for for being it's it's three three okay when we play to the Game Grumps there's that thing of him going yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's the movie version of him he has not been in a game since then and I'm like now is the time for me to be able to do trolling missions on J. Jonah and like shit in his bathwater or do well like that but I should be able to antagonize but here's here's the problem with that what's the
Starting point is 01:29:04 Spider-Man in this game has gone beyond that and is clearly like this dude I just I have to just straight up like tap out that's fine that Peter wants that I want that he can he can say I shouldn't be doing this in the next Spider-Man game do you want to have trolling missions on J. Jonah like he's always in a location and you can have like you can shit in his coffee I need to be able to drive and do burnouts I hear you I hear you but like the like the fact that like the Peter's like look the moment this fucking guy like accused me of murder I'm like fuck this I'm out I'm done right this is not a funny ha ha he's an annoying guy anymore he's a piece of shit in this game he still crank called him once or twice it was it was it was a great moment when it's
Starting point is 01:29:55 like oh he mentioned he just mentions that he's not the bugle anymore right just not the bugle and then you get one of those backpacks and it's this fucking full page spread a Spider-Man kills cops yeah yeah and it's like it's Peter's photo and he's like I'm not I had to I can't this is too much exactly and I'm like electro killed those cops and also but Spider-Man antagonist and electron and Jonah's also out of a job at that point too so he's fucking podcasting from his bedroom so you know it's great it's great um some loser with a podcast yeah I don't need you know whatever I'm I'm preaching to the choir here everybody knows but like I feel like what I what happened when I played RE4 I feel like what happened when I don't know what other
Starting point is 01:30:43 genres this happened with but that thing where I come late and I see the developed process later in the cycle and I would not count RE4 is that I get I get so different I get to reap the benefits that's a bit of more of a milestone I get to reap the benefits of of the the final state you get the you get the benefits of eight years of iteration because essentially it's the this is the first time in a really long time where perched on top of the the um Empire State Building and looking out at a map of objectives and I don't just roll my eyes and go oh I'm like yeah you should actually play Odyssey I actually want to do these things it's not a Ubisoft map it's a fun map it's interesting
Starting point is 01:31:29 because with Red Dead coming out next week uh like I'm interested to see because those previews are pretty glowing I'm interested to see how that the problem is that red red dead one would make me roll my eyes after the 30th hour you're crazy we're no it made me roll my eyes I'm like I'm kind of done like I don't want to play anymore I still a fantastic game stand by my statement sure still a fantastic game just like I was this is work now to me the next game to do it is not going to be web swinging though exactly horse riding as fun as horse riding is so what about what if it gets cold and your horse's balls shrink in the cold weather I don't know plus the 100 hour work we think makes me kind of frown at the game well there's that um we'll get
Starting point is 01:32:21 to that yes one last makes me frown at rock star I mean so the the the the the fucking environmental mission missions uh were probably the least interesting you mean the science ones for yeah yeah they're they're not good and like one or two are fun but they they they and they were definitely the most like like I feel like I feel like poor Yuri like every single one of his lines in that game ends with I gotta step on it gotta hurry gotta cheese it gotta hurry right now right now gotta fix this right now or people won't get their cell phones I don't know you're like it's it's it's all everything becomes an instant emergency New York is the most teetering deck of cards that ever existed the moment I got this call from my friend was the last
Starting point is 01:33:04 moment it could have happened everyone's phone started blowing up um and I was gonna say the uh the bomb diffusing ones like to get the triple challenge points is really tight yeah I told you the bombs I don't think I got yeah to get the max points off of those they're tight and you get some good rewards for collecting those challenge tokens you sure do I was spending them like a fucking idiot on my gadgets no and then it turned out there was some great costumes that need a punch I didn't do this before but I didn't even realize you could level up your gadgets until like I don't know 10 hours into the game I was like oh there's little little pips on these and I can make them better yeah yeah I was just doing them with myself or spend them on on on costumes
Starting point is 01:33:52 so um but yeah anyway so just fucking glowing shower and praise for that and that type of game I feel like you need to be very very careful with the types of missions you throw in there yeah like and how many of them yeah like don't even do anything approaching the fucking feathers from Assassin's Creed 2 these days if it even smells like one of those types stop just stop don't even do it people won't enjoy it and yes it'll pad your game out a little longer but it'll be bad times spider-man games themselves not good time are guilty of this because back in spider-man 2 if you recall one of the things people hated the most is my balloon yeah there's always a kid losing their balloon the very next spider-man game they came out like a year and a half later
Starting point is 01:34:40 was ultimate spider-man the first thing that happens when you control venom is murder a child that has a balloon okay well he absorbs the kid into his like symbiote and like sucks out his life force and like shoots out a husk okay then in this spider-man game I think there is a backpack collectible or newspaper clipping that's like oh that rash of balloon yeah it's a little kid who drew spider-man saving his balloon yeah right so like spider-man 2 showed a lot of things you shouldn't do in regards to everything but web swinging make sure that what when you decide on the number of mission types make sure that they're all at least at least like sort of fun at worst right at worst sort of fun at worst sort of fun yeah and make sure that the way you get
Starting point is 01:35:31 between them and traversal is just interesting the only blast the whole time the only side quest that was one of the more developed side quests so I'm like this isn't too fun is that one campus guy that's like everyone left we don't know where they are you gotta find the rate of holics fucking picture and like go there I was like tired of that by like the second but I guess but they all took three minutes you know it did not take me three minutes did not take me forever I didn't find them I didn't find them that that I just I kind of I followed the compass looked at the map and went yeah that way um and and then I'll say this definitively like now that swinging has been mastered fucking platinumed like this is peak swing swinging is more fun than flying if this
Starting point is 01:36:21 was a flying game or any like it's not about the weight it's not about the the weightlessness it's not about the the create the the sense of mood like the sense of movement yes but what am I trying to I'm trying to elaborate on the fact I'm like it's just a more fun way to get around yeah than if you were just supermanning over to that spot absolutely and uh that makes me feel that like you can't top this movement it's also something you can improve on it yeah yeah you I mean I mean I mean uh like you can't like I can't think of another type of movement for another type of superhero or character to do that would be like I said like that would be more fun because Red Dead you gotta have a horse not any other game you're jumping in cars not just good but Hulk moving around in ultimate
Starting point is 01:37:06 destruction very very good very big super jumps just because it's super jumps you can run up really nice super jumps Spider-Man the shit out of the Hulk and I know Batman grapple grapple points and hovers yeah I think the Batman stuff is kind of like a nice medium because you're not really flying you're not really swinging you're kind of falling with style uh crack down in Saints Row have their own versions as well of just like insane movement like in Saints Row just let you fly after a while but but this is a particular thing that's just like god it's satisfying man um oh Rico in Just Cause is kind of fun he's got the grapple hook and the parachute point to point though it's a point to point yeah but but it does have a you can fuck around with it to have some
Starting point is 01:37:51 weird mechanics I do like that because that's what it it's actually about is how many different things you have to do to move yeah we not too many but have a couple spent quite a few quite a few work days nine to five and on Just Cause it uh you can do some stuff but nine to five cause one maybe you can do two or three no no but uh but um but I'm saying but the point to point stuff uh two I definitely did I did yeah it was five you listened to Slacker Jesus um 40 hours a week but but but point to point is this it's not the same thing now let's get into the news wait I have something else to talk about I'm sorry and it's fairly important because it's we've been pushing up this hundred hour thing so often I thought we wanted to break right in yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:38:35 I need to talk about fucking blackout because blackouts the shit oh did you get a chicken dinner yes that's why you like it no I liked it beforehand did you use emotes to peek around corners I did not okay though the emote to peek around corner thing is like haha that's fun but also like why not just shoot yourself right then because what's blackout blackout is called duty for a call duty black ops for cod blops uh the cod blops for blackout blackout is there about an addition when you buy cod it's the name of the mode I didn't get a cod dinner so okay well the fish Matt you've seen pub g at least once yes I have well you played pub g at least once at least once now you both radical heights you probably remember one thing about pub g and that was this looks like a
Starting point is 01:39:19 bunch of cobbled together bullshit but it's unique so that's why people play it and then the fort night happened yes well I misspoke when I did the blackout and I won but all call of duty black ops for blackout is is pub g but what if money that's literally all it is what if it ran on an engine that was stable what if it ran well what if it wasn't buggy what if it played well what if it felt well what if it moved well what if it shot well not fortnight not for that yeah it is there's no building there's no it's it's fucking drop and shoot and there's a couple little features added like you use call of duty style perks or whatever finding shit still yeah it's it dude it is identical it is pub it is a pub g sequel made by different publisher fuck it is exactly the same as pub g
Starting point is 01:40:11 other than the fact that it's good I expect these ripoffs to have add their own twist to it does it has uh there are two twists one is that you can pick up perks call of duty perks that you can use that will last for a few minutes so this one makes you move fast when you're crouched or makes the enemy footsteps louder or stuff like that so those are useful particularly at the end of the round and it also has seven or eight points on the map where the zombies from the zombies mode will actually spawn and you can kill them for sick drops but killing eight to ten zombies makes a shit ton of gunfire noise parachuting yeah you parachute in super fast like it's it's like one third of the time multiple maps no just the one map currently the other thing that's interesting
Starting point is 01:40:54 is that instead of pub g where it's just I mean you played that it was a pretty generic fucking map right it was a lot of lot of zones but the call of duty blackout map is a very pub g style area like there's a little desert part and there's the grassy hill and little houses but all those points of interest that are named you know the ones that like oh factory or whatever those are old maps that got retrofitted into it so array is the array map from black ops one just put there given a given a physical space on a large yeah so like when you walk in it's like oh I'm playing array or factory or a state okay from that game knowledge of previous maps could help out and like that's it it's just really good game no not my first it was are you sure it wasn't like
Starting point is 01:41:42 the the fucking heavy loading make you feel good bot thing no I had I had played it for about six or seven hours I got up to rank five or whatever it was my third one I have a fourth one or fifth one whatever on the on the stream that I did but no it was like my third or fourth day playing it from the sounds of Twitter and it was seven kills on that on that win okay like I shot a bunch of idiots from the sounds of Twitter it's it's stealing people away it's it's fantastic so you know how there's room for two and there's the weird third one uh-oh this is two there's push dot pub g oh it's it is pub g yeah it's just pub g but good that's all it is and then the other one is free the other one is free it's got building and it's cartoons for the kids yeah you can't uh
Starting point is 01:42:30 you kind of fucked on that one aren't you yeah but everyone else that's making a battle royale clone is now gonna try to you know beat call of duty and now we're now we're back to this yeah battlefields new thing is not beat fortnight it's not be called duty and I really doubt that battlefields well there's definitely going to be some that are going for the fortnight one that are going to be free but like I seriously would not recommend that because they're not going to beat the the fortnight looks like wow they're gonna try it feels like wow they're gonna try they're stupid well they're you know investors have kids yelling at them don't compete and then those investors are going to in turn yell at the developers and then make them do it yeah but
Starting point is 01:43:07 yeah no it's it's it you can just you can just squint your eyes or blur your eyes a little bit and just pretend you're playing uh the pub g that should have existed after like ongoing development instead of ongoing not development no jank that was the most frustrating thing about playing pub g because I played it for a while after we did our quick look thing and it's like they added maps and they added vaulting but nothing ever got fixed rubber banding was still awful in the beginning of the match the game still ran like shit it didn't play particularly well hacking was out of control and just stayed like that and it never got fucking fixed and then this comes out and you're like oh wow this is good right away isn't that nice man such a shame for player unknowns original idea
Starting point is 01:43:52 you know such a shame but that well it should it should be mentioned that he made that idea twice uh right he made that with h i think it's h one z one and then pub g like whatever that guy's sitting pretty he made his money now it's time for everyone else to make the money off of his idea can i just get a price on how much the battle royale license costs i just want to price what do you mean the official battle royale license the official battle royale license you mean the movie the the book the movie the manga all of it how much to get that little seal with the br logo on your fucking video game just like get a bunch of textures of school uniforms and bob's your uncle so here's the thing it would definitely be interesting because it would be more melee than
Starting point is 01:44:42 shooting right maybe like one person has a gun one person has a gun everything else and they have like four shots yeah the zones would change it wouldn't just be in a circle and um anarchy reigns this battle royale is a dream that i have that's a very noble want but let's be real how much does the condemned license cost well now we now we're well now we're talking about the likeness of one stone cold steve austin and vinny jones and stop it but why not just get like fuck it why not combine both so that they're wearing japanese school children outfits i hear you and i also raise you yes one rundown dwayne johnson get him in there sure why not yep now do you mean a dwayne johnson that's been rundown or dwayne johnson from the rundown from the rundown all right with the whip
Starting point is 01:45:35 i see i think that movie was originally called hell dorado that's pretty strong let me check that it had a different name that's pretty strong i don't mind that but they changed it to that wait what was that what was the soldier movie soldier was it just called soldier whoa carousel no no no the wwe one the marine the marine the marine so might as well just been called soldier yeah so just get the marine in there uh come on we got we got all these all these wrestler actor movies we can get them all in there's a cool one called countdown that stars kane and um dolf ziggler okay there's a bomb in the rustling arena okay but dolf ziggler does not play dolf ziggler he's a tough ass cia agent nice and kane is also a tough ass cia agent but the bomb is going to blow up the
Starting point is 01:46:25 wwe you're telling me you're telling me you would not pre-order for your day one uh dlc of suburban commando oh man get the fuck out of here you wouldn't but yeah blackout's great if you don't don't care about anything else in that game it's a shame that they don't sell separately actually it's all i'm ever gonna play as the blackout mode and i imagine most bullets it's a full call of duty game that just happens to have so yes and no there's no single player of any kind there's a training modes for the specialist there's your standard ass cod blops multiplayer which is weird and i don't particularly care for there's your standard ass cod blops zombie mode which is the zombie mode that people really like that i don't care for because if i want to play
Starting point is 01:47:10 that i'll play killing floor and then there's blackout everybody that i know who's playing this game is playing it to play blackout yes and it's clearly where all the people are are going from now on the question is is competitively does that change anything competitively what i wonder no i mean what competition call of duty no between what and what i i mean like aren't there isn't there it whoa it's what do you have you have you have something i got something i'll finish your thought no anyway i just i just i was gonna say that um like i'm wondering if there will be is there any way that you can do an entirely private like type of hundred thing no i need a hundred friends you do you need a lot of lands it'd be tough but but there's no there's no intended
Starting point is 01:47:53 friends only version of that right no no yeah okay there the friends only version is grab you and three friends or one friend and drop in okay as a team because i'm trying to think can there ever be a competitive version of a battle royale setup where they have tournaments where there have been pub g tournaments in land setups and i don't i've never heard anything other than yeah it happened because but at what cost it is the worst type of genre ever it's like created to be terrible for tournaments because you're either gonna have the smallest bracket ever where it's like hey 600 people entered okay do three matches or you're gonna have an absolutely absurd round robin bracket like fuck it because i'm because i'm i'm just it's gonna be weird that
Starting point is 01:48:48 like the main mode at least competitively for call of duty games is now going to be overshadowed by a bigger crazier mode and like they can still continue to do what they've always done i would i'm very interested to see how they actually develop this mode because call of duty comes out every year but they switch developers every year right yes like next year is blackout gonna have more stuff in it right it like is it gonna be cut it gives it gonna come out as a separate thing is it well and the other thing that i'm wondering is like you know from what i understand again usually there's a like you you you spend time developing and building up your like your main multiplayer mode in this case treyark is gonna spend all their time on this well it's treyark
Starting point is 01:49:29 and raven software okay so they have they helped out yeah i'm glad they're still working yeah i mean i they help make something really great i know but i wish didn't make like games again so yeah it's just i'm just curious to see like how this changes the like that side of the of what call of duty uh is when you say competitive do you mean like tournaments i mean tournaments no one cares yeah i don't care yeah no one cares i don't no one has ever cared i don't follow or anything but i know that there's a scene out there and i'm i'm no there isn't all right people tell you that they're part okay people are gonna tell you i mean like sure people are gonna come to you in in the next 10 minutes and tell you that they are part of the call of duty scene and that and they'll tell
Starting point is 01:50:12 you stuff they're liars they're not they're not they're just trying to troll you got you yeah the call of duty scene doesn't exist and it hasn't existed since that uh since fucking was it zampella said that we haven't fucking tuned it for lean like a fucking dumbass um so no one's out there making any money on call of duty i in fact call of duty youtube youtubers were like some of the worst hit by some of the advertising stuff because call of duty is not suitable for advertisers so people had entire channels dedicated to doing call of duty stuff all of a sudden every single fucking video they made or had ever made got demonetized and then a bunch of them went over to twitch to do pubg and then a bunch of them went from twitch and pubg to fortnight even the
Starting point is 01:50:59 360 no look even the 360 no look damn um imagine if wb2k whatever is like guess what mode we're at and that would be fucking awesome because a battle royale is different than a real rumble because you start it's i mean correct me if i'm wrong but battle royale might even been a wrestling let's go workshop workshop time sell me sell me i don't you can't just say drop 100 wrestlers on an island massive ring a massive ring massive ring so wait hold on hold on hold on hold on first i i'm gonna give you two options all right either massive ring or you do like wcw used to do in the 90s where they had an event called world war three where there's three rings side by side okay we can have ring world we can have a nine by nine right yeah but no it's if you have one
Starting point is 01:51:52 massive ring tell me what happens matt what when i irish whip you no i run because i k fav run and to the ropes and what happens when i reach those ropes who knows no if the ropes are a mile that way are you running a mile okay look then it would work better with multiple rings because then that's at least quadrants and you got to all pile into that ring before it no there we go no it's too much it's too much i think that could be done i i can do you one better all right ring yes cube so small planet with rings how is everywhere how is a combat of a sport being done on the sides of this cube so it doesn't have to be a cube with just one ring on one side it can be uh a four by four on each side or we can even just go fucking like catamaran
Starting point is 01:52:57 not catamaran mario galaxy style right like multiple and then it's just a planet made of rings this is done via what crazy science how is this all being suspended and working this is gameplay this is gameplay this is gameplay so you have a nobody can a small a small mario galaxy planet of rings ring world ring world right and ropes but isn't separating here that's the canvas now one ring will be the last one ring is the lava ring okay okay but that's that's no no i don't know because that's one time that's the one type of terrain how about we have the water ring instead of water themed and ring worlds how about stacked rings verticality yes that's fine too that's fine too okay there can be a ring there can be a ring tower you can absolutely work that in
Starting point is 01:53:48 there but the point is is that there is you are never more than a few steps away from a good old rope to irish whip people on yeah and every surface is a surface that can be slammed on out of all of this i enjoy massive ring the most okay it's the dumbest all right there are weapons spread out you got a chair over there you got a barbed wire over there you got a table over there but but but it's you got to workshop this help me out here like how do you have to be able to pin all right you have to be able to pin as well as getting through because we're describing what we're just describing a royal rumble listen but it's a royal rumble battle and no but added every two minutes that's not a factor here everyone starts in the ring right off the back yeah
Starting point is 01:54:30 yeah they got a skydive in to the ring listen all right i have the game for you you take a pub g or a blackout map you cut it in half it's half the size to start you drop a hundred wrestlers in and it is the same type of map it's it's estates with glass windows it's apartments it's housing complexes it's not a ring it is not a ring okay that it is it is an open wilderness that your hunt that your fucking wrestlers are running through yes okay now wrestling could shut up now wrestling controls work everywhere right yeah wrestling controls work everywhere it's a it's a it's a back it's a backyard wrestling style as we learned from that gold dust character action game we played fucking get there hurry up all right now you can get weapons and there's sticks
Starting point is 01:55:20 and chairs and whatnot you get healing items you get whatever whatever right now the external ring is a cage the closing in okay the closing in is the ropes the ropes themselves slowly close in and if you get thrown over okay out you know what you're done okay i'm i'm adding that into this the closing in is the ropes the ropes close in and if you that's the death zone and you can get knocked out yes and you'll be knocked out for a long time and if the ropes go over you you're out right because that counts as being out of the ring you're out of when you just get knocked out like okay and it's and it's so the slowly enclosing ropes are the threat zone and it's a 10 and then there's the death zone you can't be out of the you can't be in the death you can't make it back
Starting point is 01:56:06 you can't make it back in okay now in addition there are two more things that are gonna make it work one instead of supply drops you know you guys know a fucking supply drop sure there will be ref drops i was about to say how many refs need to be here at any given time so refs will be dropping in semi regularly and they will drop from the sky and they will be clearly visible that means that instead of fighting in a backyard brawl for knockouts you have to find you can run to a ref and then pins and submissions will work you will be able to pin somebody or but if there's no ref near the ref nearby circle only in the ref zone and then the final final area instead of a circle it will just morph into a square and rise up into a ring so the last three four five combatants
Starting point is 01:57:02 no what's the number very well no whoever's left okay by that time we'll be fighting a fucking match at the end on top of a fucking mountain if you would yes elevated to get inside the ring and then the ring will rise and rise and rise and rise to 100 until until anyone gets pinned till the winner is submitted or thrown off the side to their death now if you knock someone out do fans get parachuted in once it becomes a normal ring so they can cheer i mean everyone's there and watching and then whatever but but but if you knock someone out i don't know if that's good enough right like maybe you need to drag them and throw them over the rope well no because what if the rope's insanely far away what if it's like a kilometer away hmm hmm no no do you need
Starting point is 01:57:53 okay no you need the ability to tie them down to the earth no that's not no okay so occasionally it's not the ring and it's not the border but there will be coffins yeah and you drag them to a nearby coffin you throw me there'll be coffins everywhere then you're locked in and now you're waiting now you're now you're actually you can either quit the match or wait until it comes along also and in multiplayer you can take your fucking team members out of the coffins oh yeah as a revive oh yeah or you can tag absolutely perks and stuff in battle royale games there are now okay so you definitely have a bite you get a perk which lets you sell so if someone goes near you you can activate your perks so you're like oh i've been so knocked out better
Starting point is 01:58:44 disregard me they walk away then you go in then you run pearl harbor them okay okay um i mean i get and like you know finding weapons i get always a thing but you gotta you gotta have a couple of special ones in there i still gotta have vehicles one time yeah definitely vehicles definitely but they have to be the vehicles from crush hour but you might know you might find a limo but when you started up it blows up monster truck it explodes you need to have an 18-wheeler and the 18-wheeler if you honk the horn and somebody's too close they have they get pulled into the back where there's all hay and shit and you can have a king of the road net one of the trucks one of the trucks is tied to a coffin so there's a mobile coffin in case you need to drag a coffin so you
Starting point is 01:59:34 can actually drive it up and then find a victim and throw them in the coffin so you've got a mobile coffin going yeah absolutely battle royal rumble milk truck and you can splash milk or beer a beer truck battle royal rumble that is a perfect name yeah that is this is beyond somebody make it now this is beyond cash money every time we go like we do something like this we go oh yeah that's free that's free this is more this is not just free this is actually a fully formed idea sprung forth from Zeus's forehead like if you want to be rich i sure you can mod this if you want to be rich the best friends just made you rich we give us some money to be nice when you're rich yeah battle royal rumble uh so just to go back really quickly the film's original title was hell dorado
Starting point is 02:00:28 it was then changed to welcome to the jungle before then being changed back to the rundown although it released in some countries as welcome to the jungle coincidentally the 2018 jamangi sequel was also called jamangi welcome to the jungle both movies star dwayne johnson thanks well that was fun you can find an outfit that's a fake ref outfit oh man oh there is man there is so much here there's so much here yo man that's never gonna get it feels like a lot of sex just happened yeah i was just trying to raise some free some wet balls in here yeah every once in a while we do something all right once every you know what the you know what the biggest bummer about my blackout win was i talked so much shit to max and the gang obviously because i'm like oh you
Starting point is 02:01:24 guys did it simon's got a blackout like a few hours later it's called a blackout no i'm calling it that i just started to do that what's the message what's the message when you win number one and then it's a call of duty quote okay i got all warfare is based on deception and considering i was skulking around like an asshole shooting people in the backs of the knees that's fine um damn you simon's let's let's actually start with a psa instead of that let's start with a psa hey gang go turn your messages to private or friends of friends you know that works too on your playstation 4 your sony playstation 4 so this is uh this is some outrageous shit there's uh some of you guys might remember not too long ago there was a weird thing going around where like
Starting point is 02:02:11 if someone text messages you a weird symbol uh it would lock up your phone and like fuck your shit up and uh someone figured out apparently how to do this on your ps4 and and it will break your console or at least make it very difficult to get back in without a hard reset so not only can this fuck your shit up if you read the message depending on whether or not it even shows up in your notification tab it's something about the way the ps4 reads like actually literally reads it to show it to you just fucks it up apparently you're okay if you go through the website or app i saw people saying that the even checking on their phone fuck their ps4 so it's inconsistent right now because it's not fully formed right like like reports are far and few in between
Starting point is 02:02:58 and switch it to friends of friends are totally private but the point remains that a stranger can message you and fuck up your console just for just because there is also a person uh doing that on discord yeah there's a person that can message you a weird message that will fuck your pc up by a discord folks like you and me definitely need to the fucking i uh the first thing i actually do every single time i turn on any the fucking anything as i go to either friends of friends or no one ever and then when i try and add super ipatch wolf to psn and he goes i can't i go oh right yeah and then you unblock it for a minute yeah add somebody and then put it back yeah yeah so uh yeah just uh until sony gives an update on this definitely go and do that um because otherwise
Starting point is 02:03:47 you don't get a brick ps4 out of it uh don't yeah i'm like let's let me just do a quick refresh because i'm like don't have friends have they updated this since i feel like uh i've heard about it since last night and i don't know if there's been any official commentary but at some point they likely will send the message out for me yep we're looking at a reddit post here with the original oh my god two people who are using this are using it to ban people in their rainbow six games wow the fact that it breaks your console and forces a reset of your data and shit that was super fucked up even if you're like yeah that's that's that's that's that's awful um yeah fuck you that's that's terrible that's bad to do so yeah that's go to settings account management privacy
Starting point is 02:04:34 settings put in your password personal info messaging and then set it to friends if you trust them or no one there you go yeah if you're the kind of person who adds everybody that they run into on battlefield or call of duty or whatever yeah put it to no one if if you're like us and you have like six friends on your list yeah you friends or friends will do it i mean certain games like yeah like definitely fighting games or like yeah random messages coming in all the time i don't i it's funny i wish i could have random messages on only for fighting games i know yeah yeah yeah i have actually gotten a miniscule if ever amount of hate mail playing fighting games and it's always disappointed me because i never get like the salty bitch like oh i'll be running back
Starting point is 02:05:18 it's like no dude most of the ones i get are just like oh shit i didn't think i'd get to fight you in this or whatever hey what's up you know or that or just like hey woolly gg's you know so meh um that reminds me of it reminds me of like talking about that reminds me of how much you folks at home appear to love warframe i have never played a day of warframe in which i didn't run into somebody who went hey isn't there some crazy like fucking space bug or something going on right now where like you can fly in space or something i don't know about that i know that there's a new uh story thing which is dropped and they added some uh some updates to warframe um yeah there was there was a new story about about warframe lets you run around in space or let's
Starting point is 02:06:04 you walk in space or something i mean you could do that if you broke the housing stuff um here we'll just find out what it actually is warframe bug lets you walk in space show me this uh oh okay there's an archwing mission all right i know what that is you go to an archwing mission and instead of getting your like your star fox wingsuit it just loads you in as a player and you just run around so wait your ship that you're in is actually located in like it's not just loaded in as its own zone it's like actually no in so the way in an area that's shared with other players and people the the archwing missions are just space missions where you get into little these are instances though yeah their instances yeah but you get into your little pod ship okay you fly
Starting point is 02:06:52 around okay all right well anyway your actual orbiter or lander is its own instance absolutely cool um yeah so here we go no segue or i don't know what how many hours did you spend a lot of time talking about how many hours did you spend playing warframe uh hundreds yeah well you could have spent that time can you fit a hundred into one week no i can't that's actually possible yeah um yeah dan hauser comes out in an interview and so all right i'm gonna back it up i'm gonna back us up a few weeks people might have noticed there's been a shit ton of uh red dead redemption two previews because they're giving out uh you know early early access to you gotta give though things out early if you want to right try to be time uh you know industry peeps are being
Starting point is 02:07:48 like your horse's balls shrink in the cold and when you go up in the cold the you got buttons jacket and all this wild ass fucking feature bloat right that's like oh my god this is gonna be the greatest thing ever and so dan hauser does an interview with i forget who the fuck but whatever he's bragging about how cool the game is this is a game so awesome and then to kind of explain why the game is so awesome he goes we've been pulling hundred hour weeks down here at rock star and we're with the team's full steam ahead we're fucking crushing it and it did not have the reaction that i think dan hauser was expecting which was pretty universally everyone who's ever worked a job going what the fuck man 100 hour weeks i think there's 165 or or anyone who's worked in the
Starting point is 02:08:43 industry going yep i believe i believe there are 168 hours pat that that that reaction of shock and awe is not one of shock and awe to people who know this industry still fuck dude there are 168 hours during the week total let's assume they slept for eight hours a night that is minus carry the two uh look the point is that has always been the point has always been the same which is um there's data there's actual research data that has talked about this for a long time now crunch doesn't work crunch makes people work bad works like not not work less but yeah work bad right and like you and basically like there's a point where once you're doing well over double a normal work week you're just not getting results anymore you're getting people spending time
Starting point is 02:09:51 doing things that they could have done twice as fast if they were actually not like exhausted so my favorite reaction is from people in the industry saying why are you bragging about how badly you mismanaged this yes that's the main thing there's there's crunch is almost inevitable for any sort of project but like 100 hours doing over weeks for is is actually too much and it's not like this is red dead redemption came out like two three years ago it came out like five plus i should mention i just did the math uh this is an average of a 14 hour day seven days a week for what appears to be a month maybe two months that every employee not every employee but like a good portion so a 14 hour day my uh plus eight hours of sleep
Starting point is 02:10:44 leaves you two hours a day for the entire period to do literally every other thing you need to do in your life which is not possible therefore the sleep must suffer which means that you are actually just actually going into people's houses while they sleep and yelling at them to wake up you know we've told stories about people sleeping under their desks in in certain studios you get more hours if you don't have to go home to sleep they're like like there's triple shifts that have happened in the qa trenches before that in places i've worked where like motherfuckers are just like like not even like awake anymore but their like eyes are open and tears are coming out and they're like technically on the clock making hours and uh you know the
Starting point is 02:11:30 fact remains that it's like yeah every every hour over 40 that you get basically is going to be like you could you could have overtime up to a point but like if you go i think it's like 20 hours over so if you get to like 60 that's the limit at which point you're not getting meaningful work anymore think about it this way how much time has to be spent fixing the mistakes of people who are on hour eight yeah and they were literally just um um zombie i and you know now there's there's always a really uh this is like this is something i've seen at each every single company i've worked at right there's a obviously a point we hit where some employees and the department are great for overtime they love it they want to work as much as possible
Starting point is 02:12:17 because they're saving up or whatever and they're like yep sign me up for every shift all the time forever yeah there's always like what like there's always maybe three people ever that will do that all right the people that are just like yeah good old reliable you know like johnny overtime in the corner so he's gonna do 12 hours a day until he dies that's what he wants to do then there's those times where it comes in it goes all right guys you know what it is it's crunch but we need this many people for this many shifts over and then there's those weeks where hey we don't have enough people then you get the awkward dance of go get people for overtime but also legally you cannot force anyone to work overtime yeah but we need it so what you do is you play this little
Starting point is 02:13:02 game where you talk about things like being a team player and really pushing through for the for the art and all this fucking buzzword nonsense one of the places one of the places it was as simple as hey you see that wall over there your face is on it that means you're on the team that means you come in tomorrow there's a chance your face might not be there depending on how familiar you are with the project spending more time with it is pretty good for your face being on the wall that gives you money the best way i've had it said to me is well i think it was said to the team not to me directly but i was like sitting there along with everyone else is like well who who can do overtime like me okay we would need more than that no one's saying anything is like because this will really help us
Starting point is 02:13:52 factor in who will be on the next project now that could mean a couple of things i mean i'll be on that project over there but this team right now maybe there'll be another project just for them and maybe you'll be on it maybe you can move around or maybe that's thinly veiled saying you're fired expert no maybe not fired but this will be written down on like your your your profile whatever your file that will not like does not contribute matt pat and willy don't want to do ot okay hold on let me write you down on the list of people who don't like to work hard on their projects and you know and sometimes and never it doesn't always shape up that way because sometimes there'll be like all right so this night shift is you got your your whatever your per diem covered
Starting point is 02:14:39 got your dinner covered and we're putting a whatever maker inside the office then they put a bonus for the shift you get an extra bonus or time and a half or whatever the fuck you know and then they'll put they'll put incentives in there in some cases but depending on who are what's in charge but it's but it's beer fridays it's not always that friendly at one of the places it was friendly enough to have beer fridays fridays though go get your beer and then get back to work so uh there's been an update on this story there is a statement there's a they asked uh howzer yeah and uh well there's there's definitely this one and then let me let me see here because i was gonna say i was gonna say it's like i had the feeling that he might just even be
Starting point is 02:15:23 saying that to make the game look more impressive so there seems to be something that is a howzer thing that is right it's a very rock star uh when kotaku alas elaborate rock star sent over a statement also attributed to dan hauser there seems to be some confusion arising from my interview with harold goldberg the point i was trying to make in the article was related to how the narrative and dialogue in the game was crafted which is mostly what we talked about not the different processes of the wider team after working on the game for seven years the senior writing team which consists of four people uh my gunsworth rupert humphries laszlo and myself had as we always do three weeks of intense work when we wrapped everything up three weeks not years
Starting point is 02:15:59 we'd all work together for at least 12 years now and i feel like and this needs to get get everything finished uh after so many years of getting things organized and ready on this project we need to check and finalize everything more importantly we obviously don't expect anyone else to work this way across the whole company we've seen some senior people who work very hard and purely because they're passionate about a project or their particular work and we believe their passion shows how shows in the game as we release but that additional effort is a choice so we don't ask or expect anyone to work anything like this lots of senior people work in entirely different ways uh and are just as productive i'm not one of them i'm just not one of them
Starting point is 02:16:33 no no one senior or junior is ever forced to work hard i believe we go to great lengths to run a business that cares about its people and make the company a great place for them to work so he's saying that the comment was out of context and he's referring to just him and his small team of three uh you know what i heard what's up that's what i heard oh yeah we would never encourage people to work hard and such fucking bullshit i mean like if this is the case then that's if that's the case and that's the case i'm still telling you that uh from the plate from where i worked and from the places and from what i've seen like it's still absolutely a problem that happens in every facet of the
Starting point is 02:17:15 industry the part that really swung it towards me it's like some people choose to stay and work hundreds of hours a week because they're really passionate about the project and you know what i can see in my mind i can see a guy walking out into the office go listen i thought we were all really passionate about red dead i you know i guess matt here doesn't want his ot because he's not passionate about the only worked in one place where we were side by side with the developers you just walk around the corner and you can actually see them making the game and i i don't know about you but i distinctly remember me and like 30 testers are there on a weekend the game's about to come out and you go to the the the the dev side and they'll be like one two computers on
Starting point is 02:18:04 that's just idos and that was for like day sx and during the regular workweeks there'd be tons of people and every chair would be filled and that's how that company seemed to do at least from my memory but it's like rockstar i've heard for years how it's like well they poorly manage problem well the dev side too was based on the fact that like they had a system of um punch in hours whenever you want up until i think like 11 p.m so as long as you're getting your work done you're on salary let's remember that uh rockstar allowed and may have encouraged team bondy and mac namara to fucking run that those people into the ground for la noir which caused the studio to just fucking disintegrate at the happens la nor right rockstar has had lots of people coming out
Starting point is 02:18:51 over the years saying like i have to work so much i don't see my family i'm going to die so there's been that knows ea that yeah it's the ea spouse's thing but i mean they're all complicit you know we we not too long ago talked about the the caroshi reports coming out of japan which is basically overwork death because they there was like actual people in offices and like cases of people that die right there was one particular one that sparked a pretty big outrage about overworking because um the culture of overtime is one where like it's super praised and expected that you stick around as well as it's considered like you're doing your job you're working hard are you yeah yeah accurate why aren't you working hard um but like it can definitely
Starting point is 02:19:37 get to that point here as well and i feel like the there's times when you're like hey why don't you do what's right for your body and not fucking work until you're collapsing and sometimes people that are just kind of like panicked and really need the job i've seen on the test floor be like i fucking have to i like i i can't broke or i can't i don't have a choice here and they will put their health yeah in harm's way and like just like you said that you seem like you seen qa testers like i have two of like that guy that's always like i'll do it i'll do they'll do those hours and whatever like he has no problem he seemingly has no problem with it for whatever his motivations are i'm sure on the dev side there's like even more people like just because the the actual dev team is bigger
Starting point is 02:20:23 than the qa team would be perhaps yeah um that you can say like maybe a dozen people or be like fuck it i i i really want to do it i'll believe that but i don't believe that rock star is like oh you don't you just want to do 60 hour okay cool like i don't believe that listen we're the we're making the biggest game in the world here don't you want to make it matter like i can fucking feel it it just it just it's it's more than that it's just the fact that like it doesn't matter how much data exists that says crunch is bad a bad idea and it doesn't work it's it's that video game development is a prop it's a process by which mistakes snowball so something real bad so a mistake early on in the production process becomes months on the back end and by the time
Starting point is 02:21:15 you catch that snowball you can't really slow it down so you just have to throw man hours at it and like every day that something is is late or off schedule or every week that goes by well snowball into its own little thing because now costs are going up pay like employee everything is going up cost of game cost of development everything is just snowballing you're affecting other departments with that problem the other problem and and and the early pre-production phase unless you have like competent people putting together that part of it there are going to be mistakes which are always going to lead to this and there's like things like unseen unforeseen things are unavoidable like the engine fucking just broke or oh the engine took a shit is a big one
Starting point is 02:22:01 like we're not getting the proper documentation we don't know how to like there's a things and then let's like crunch has to happen and it's like no one's really yeah we're putting in a new system yeah the other fun part and that leads to helps exacerbate this problem is that as well described having competent people managing your project is a must to avoid problems and delays however if you have incompetent people who manage it poorly and thus end up causing delays it is on those very same incompetent people to implement crunch or not so if the people running things are doing their job properly and know that crunch is bad and we'll try to avoid it great if they're the type of people who need crunch they're the type of people to go to crunch as
Starting point is 02:22:50 soon as they can because we need that we need to solve it oh no everything's right like it's self-fulfilling yeah but the producer who fucked up in the process or or the designer that fucked up in the pre-production process or the dev or the engine in the engineer like or the net code guy whoever it was like as this rolls out um the same people that are then going to implement that crunch are doing so because like if this doesn't work out then they're not going to have that position next time around it's unfortunately self like you know self-fulfilling person who makes the mistake gets to make the decision you got to clean up your mess and all of you have to clean up my mess too but the mop is is humans yeah yeah i mean uh i don't know how like you guys mentioned
Starting point is 02:23:39 things were better at idos but that might be because be because of tobacco labor laws it just happens no no no it's always it's always better um when you're doing um in-house as opposed to outsourcing right outsourcing is just always like uh and it might be different in the states and i sure as fuck know that it's different in poland i'm not sure exactly how because this exact story happened two three weeks ago with cd project and we didn't even cover it because their statement was takes a lot of hours to make games does suck it suck incorrect uh like glory to adis thoughts like they don't they don't give a shit about like people like rolling their eyes takes many hours to make games let me see your
Starting point is 02:24:22 papers please i think yeah jesus christ right or like it's uh what was it's hard work making games and we only want people here who work hard i think was like the paraphrase of their statement and it's like mm okay work smart not hard how about that no that's stupid yep even though you said smart yep hey you know you can jump in the lab for a fighting game you can jump in training mode and you can just practice combos all day all day and you can spend days making sure that you perfect that combo damn that doesn't mean shit when you go to actually play online because you were training hard but you weren't training smart that reminds me of when i played uh third strike against uh billy and for funsies i picked chun li because like oh what's he gonna do and he did
Starting point is 02:25:14 the fucking daigo parry in the super no problem and then i threw him in the corner like 40 times and one because you gotta have fundamentals but hey desk makes great videos desk makes great videos god bless desk we gotta we gotta get to through some of these all right let's let's roll so let's let's let's let's roll by hitting the brakes on iron fist oh no 2018 looking up i saw that tweet and i was like that that was the exact noise i made uh iron fist got canceled in the middle of its storyline oh well it'll get finished in the other story lines it did say that the actor that plays the bad daddy rand iron fist said like he is immortal and his this is the end of one chapter the star of new there's a lot of people saying that they're just gonna that they're just gonna
Starting point is 02:26:08 team him up heroes for hire heroes for hire i would be super down for that i'd actually prefer it rather than they both have their own shows he's not strong enough to carry his own show and it sucks because the character could be is cool but the casting and all the other dumb things they decided on didn't work out that way absolutely though like you know i unfortunately i just really dropped off of netflix marvel i super did and i feel like everyone did i watched maybe two episodes of jessica jones season two and never watched luke cage never watched a defend luke cage season two and never watched defenders and i punisher is renewed i watched punisher but of course i'll watch punisher but uh dare double season three apparently is quite good and has kingpin back
Starting point is 02:26:54 in and all this stuff i might try that but i don't know listen electro ruined everything they said electro no electro becoming this the focus of the second season honestly no like isn't shit like iron fish i can't believe it ruined our iron fist ruined his own story no but i mean that was the start that was me finishing dare devil season two with like and i'm like show watch blue cage and everyone was like yeah i guess and the other people were like should i watch iron fist so i was like and they were like no and the other fucking problem is that every one of these good seasons that we're talking about has half of it being not good and homework it's all homework you know there's always like the good seasons are always yeah well don't don't worry
Starting point is 02:27:36 about it you know it's easy homework or don't worry about the last four to the dark world because you go what happened and you fought an elf done movie caught up so there's a cool there's a cool meal near mom it also said that he appeared in luke cage season two he was a regular there yep so you know we'll see but anyway um if you're looking for like cool guy in mask fighting a dragon in a cave uh that's not happening okay well the fuck that well anyway never win that flick show it's always a dark alley they always warehouse there are these are you walks up to the cave and you hear and then it cuts away or a guy walks because it's a fucking sci-fi budget show yeah yeah yeah what else we got we got um we got yeah that's going away we got a rumor give me some
Starting point is 02:28:27 rumor is it the marvel one uh no oh nothing to say about that yeah i don't i don't look look so to be honest i always roll through the news and there's rumors that i just ignore because i'm like unless it has some legs to it marvel force coming guys unless there's actual legs to it we can talk about rumors all day uh this one has some legs the n64 classic might actually happen all the art screens outside of the fucking thing um the reason why the n64 classic might actually happen is because there were some tweets about some unknown contact in some unnamed place and sketchy things that we don't know that we can rely on but the most reliable thing that happened was nintendo updated their website to include nintendo 64 manuals for 19 games okay well that's i mean and they're 19
Starting point is 02:29:12 specific games the exact same amount of games that were on the super nintendo classic 1080 snowboarding bomber man 64 dk 64 excite bite 64 f0x crystal shards kirby mario golf mario cart 64 mario party 2 mario tennis paper mario pokemon snap sin in punishment starfoss 64 mario 64 majora's mask ocarina wavery 64 and yoshi story that spread is very much the spread you'd expect that is exactly what i would have said so there's only a couple there i'd be even really be like i don't need ocarina of time yeah i'm good you have a better version on the 3d this is i also won't do that's correct dude this is just i'll play i'll buy it for sin in punishment this is just for hotel room funsies that's all this is yeah i guess that's all they are it's hotel room funsies a bunch of these have
Starting point is 02:30:03 imported elsewhere a better version ds versions oh yeah i can't wait to play mario tennis one um mario 64 with with luigi and toad in print set like pokemon snap is also cool to have that available but so yeah this is a credible this is a credible possibility based on this nintendo's website updates like marvel 4 with absolutely no rare games mm-hmm hey right well because they're all on the rare replay they're right weird what's uh wait diddy kong racing there that that's diddy kong racing it's not there no no no we didn't see it we didn't see it it's not on the list don't like that mario kart 64 is better than diddy kong racing people will fight you i i thought that was pretty i prefer mario but i've heard a lot of people go oh no mario like everyone says
Starting point is 02:30:56 diddy kong racing has planes so if you like planes you might it has all three you might lean towards a water boat yeah you might lean towards the planes but i think mario but i've heard people go no diddy kong always trashed mario kart it was always better and i'm like okay sure yeah i definitely didn't spend as much time with it but i did i did have it around for a while where's mickey's speed race usa remember that rare also made that oof that was like the last kart racer that they made i think anyway so uh we've got weird weird skeletons coming out we got shenmu cancelled hd remake revealed by um uh digital foundry second has a long list of look at this remake we should have released like you know streets of old so the yeah it's canceled surprising no one apparently there
Starting point is 02:31:48 was a plan in development uh for a remaster of shenmu and possibly shenmu too as well and there's footage of it with assets being more or less recreated and compared side by side to some areas in the first game that looks like the same and um hold on well oh yeah let me just yeah we're looking at a youtube video but woolly just looked at the old part and now he's no there's the new part it's a digital foundry comparison by side comparison look oh my god um and uh yeah that looks better looks slightly different well this is dated right yeah this is going back a couple years fair enough and then so what they did is they were gonna make this and then they're like no just give you negotiate more money for some more yakuza's also just kickstart part three
Starting point is 02:32:34 and do that instead um shenmu sucks does i think what i think what happened happened for the best i don't think the effort into remaking this is really a necessity i really think like a third game that just makes the game better and builds on what they had is a better option than remaking the first two but it looks like there were gameplay option that's for sure there definitely there were also gameplay details they're planning on changing as well who knows what but are they gonna make it not suck making it um slightly less mundane would have been a good idea yeah it's like we're speaking different languages dude because i like i mean i don't know if you hate shenmu but i i don't i think shenmu just has some pacing problems that are fixable
Starting point is 02:33:21 by like i've never seen any part of shenmu that i thought looked good in any way whatsoever talking to people is embarrassing running around it like i just i think it has happened at the time it was the most groundbreaking thing ever yeah i think i think the fact that like and when you come out of it you realize that you just went on like eight fetch quests and then took a boat and and worked a job in the meantime um but you're supposed to be it's true you know what it's trying to do it's trying to give you the feeling that you get from living in inaba yeah right and gave me that feeling inaba yeah and uh and it gives and by providing and it's it and that's the type of just trying to do it by giving you these little dives you can go and hang out in
Starting point is 02:34:06 or these little haunts that you get used to but um if it definitely if it took a page out of the persona book now yeah you where you'd have job variety and not just be like hey let me stand and play lucky hit or let me stand and do the the fucking like you have you can forklift race you can forklift job you can stand around and do the ball job and then there's a couple other types and whatnot but none of them are particularly fun or interesting dude i went i went over to a friend of mine's place and he was playing shenmu and he played it for like an hour and a half and i didn't seem to do one thing that was interesting he did a forklift and he played a lucky hit yeah and like he talked to a bunch of people with some of the worst voice acting ever and it was super
Starting point is 02:34:44 boring and i don't think he fought a guy then the fucking 90 minutes that we so that's having to go home sleep times like fuck that so it's that's the thing is there's pacing problems and that's what i that's what i would love to see addressed in in the third game and that's the main thing and it's it's also like why i kind of yondon didn't finish too i got to the fourth disc and and tapped out when he when he switched locations um because you're ultimately on a revenge quest but you spend 85 of 100 hours not seeking revenge or seeking it in the most however many right like you spend most of your time doing roundabout things for menial tasks to try and possibly get a hint of a whiff of where you know what i did and you where did landi fart you know what i did in yakuza
Starting point is 02:35:29 zero i walked down the street and i got attacked by a blonde kid who kept stealing people's pants because he wanted to steal people's pants and then i went on a funny adventure and then i got i stole his pants and it turned out to be the primary antagonist of yakuza 2 but as a kid yeah he's a crazed pants thief and that took fucking 12 minutes and it was a blast so you can take cues from yakuza you can take cues from sleeping dogs there's a lot of examples nowadays that like are showing you the same type of uh idea of a small cozy town that you want to live in while you're rio and and going on about your life and your quest and such but um yeah fully remaking these nowadays it would be really archaic compared to other open look we did a graphical remake of hit
Starting point is 02:36:17 man one exact yeah sure with no changes like oh are you sure but i still think i still like shenmi i still think there's good shit i don't you like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater a little bit that baby shouldn't have been born i think i think you can just train a child and raise it up in the way it should yeah to be good yakuza when it grows up hey well you know yakuza wouldn't even exist without this right yeah so does that not deserve a little bit of respect or you're just gonna shit on it all the time more fighting would have been good it deserves again it deserves props for the cool idea there you go but i disagree you know what i disagree that yakuza wouldn't exist ever because the idea of like a life simulator kind of thing other games
Starting point is 02:37:03 what came and did that like it would have been discovered later it might not have been made by sega might not it's kind of my point if not for the horrible failure that was shenmu they may not have thought oh god we should let somebody make a good version you know you're you're less convincing when you're coming down to my realistic point of view you're you're supposed to start screaming and make it the most extreme shit ever so that shenmu is inherently incredibly disappointing and despite all of its ambition it's just dull second to second it's we got it's just dull we got um we got a it's a bummer isn't it it it you know i think three for modern sensibilities can turn out i completely agree i 100 agree uh y'all hear about the new house of dead
Starting point is 02:37:54 fucking no i know that sega invited max to play it because i don't live in california like i should so first so i can play it first things first it's incredible house of the dead scarlet don is a new arcade game yeah we we've covered this before but now it's actually coming out in america and there's a trailer and we're looking at the new system speaking of bad voice acting it's basically a rule and this is a hard sequel to which one three the three really is not what or at least the trailer implies that there's a here look look at the trailer because the last one was like forced the trailer just builds up and it goes hey look house of the dead and then there's goldman and then it shows four dead four uh and then it shows a character from three i think
Starting point is 02:38:43 it's just showing all the villains assuming there's a hard connection here like curian was in three i guess i guess we didn't kill him in one what about g suffer what about the suffering of g i don't know about that so these are apparently starting to pop up and david buster is in other places now it's like i really really want to go boy it might just be one of those like oh yeah and it shows off uh ryan taylor chariot's in and kate green fucking chariot's the shit so uh yeah house of the dead scarlet don it's an arcade our house of the dead but can't wait for the not can't fucking name where who's gonna wear where who in this what hero in this city will actually order a copy of this cabinet that fucking asshole at amusement 2000 none of the movie theaters shockingly uh
Starting point is 02:39:35 billy told me they put that new team and t game in amusement 2000 i was blown away damn so it's possible wow he still has some that arcade owner rolled over and fucking decided to order a new game really i fucking hate that guy wow me and woolly fucking pleaded with him to make money and he was like no i don't want to make money then he installed the most ghetto fucking street fighter set up a day that super street fighter four drops okay me and woolly went to that lies to your face me and woolly went to that guy over a year before street fighter four's console release and went we just came from a fucking arcade in goddamn to that was filled with people driving from as far east as newfoundland to fucking dump 500 bucks in a fucking sf4 on the weekend do you
Starting point is 02:40:27 want to strike up the profits strike them up with three fighter four real you can get everybody everywhere you can start to see you get so much money's like nah fucked out this cab's expensive and then the day the fucking sf4 comes out on console with like what eight or nine new characters eighty seven he has this fucking cobble together piece of shit view licks perk korean korean cab fucking crap korean cab with crown parts i've never seen an hd screen that could have been less hd than that with with that was running at 480 like the moment the new version comes out is the the price drop on the old version so he gets the old version in the cheapest possible way guess what the fucking empty because who gets a shit everyone's playing
Starting point is 02:41:12 actually actually people came out and it made some money yeah i'm sure i did i don't fucking care that guy's a jackass i should have been able to play sf4 at the arcade they have cruising last now so i'm very happy that's cool hey for honors getting a massive graphical overhaul with its new expansion i did not know about that it's getting a graphical overall apparently so um for honor continues to fucking keep going refuses to stop and uh yeah they're they're talking about this the the new people might forget it exists the new marching fire quite popular the new marching fire it's been it's been said it's funny enough it's been steadily building an audience i'm not even i'm not even saying that's not true it's just like it's just no i don't hear
Starting point is 02:41:54 anyone it did the same you do talk about it did the same thing that rainbow six siege did okay where it came out and then all of a sudden it's huge snuck up so uh the marching fire update aka china it brings out the china china attacks china attack you and uh it's coming alongside yeah apparently a large uh wait it offers unlimited pve content oh it comes in an arcade mode comes as 4v4 breach mode and better lighting and textures so it seems like a significant uh it feels like uh you block those two screenshots for me and i'll tell people if they look good ultra for honor okay now switch between them real fast they're going that is significantly improved lighting which one the the the pinker one is the new one that is significantly improved
Starting point is 02:42:46 like yeah you can see the textures better on every every um surface on the the news the only thing that i i heard about uh that they were adding is that they're reworking some of the characters to have faces sorry that's cool as opposed to just help some of the characters that have permanent masks okay are getting faces i thought you meant there's and it's that's alongside the changes that they're making so that um they want to move away from generic highlander generic crusader into characters into it's a character yeah which is a great idea i mean that's what siege is doing right yeah so yeah uh that's a pretty pretty pretty good time to what is that march uh october 16th i saw yep is that tomorrow it's that's tomorrow you know i thought that's today's 15 okay oh my goodness uh
Starting point is 02:43:36 and uh there is a pretty cool uh looking switch diablo bundle uh that just got announced let me see that i thought i looked at it and i'm like no i don't like that i don't like it i like it the box is the case though the case should be the switch and the switch should be the case that's the only difference but anyway check it out the diablo eternal collection has like uh artwork and stuff and there seems to be some kind of alternate version over here i'm not too sure just on the back of the switch uh you stick right up oh you choose how you want okay well anyway so yeah plus alongside this announcement of the bundle uh with the diablo switch comes the not if but when possibility of crossplay in diablo three congratulations video truck all right yeah we gotta do something about that
Starting point is 02:44:28 uh crossplay uh that's cool in an interview possibility so it may be cool yeah the representative said it's the question of when not if and uh they're they're they're definitely gonna take after minecraft with the switch uh xbox one pc everybody play together fun times and hey maybe playstation might even come out to play be willing to join in oh with coaxing i don't think anyway you see there's a new sender in kagura game and sony like refused to let them release it unless they got rid of a mode what's the mode what do you think the mode is boob touching yes it is know it and they're just they're delaying the game just because it said apparently the platform holder would not allow us to release it as is this is a weird thing where this is like
Starting point is 02:45:18 the third sony game i've heard of whether like we're not releasing that on our system meanwhile monster mod piece continues to exist meanwhile the switch continues to do what sony don't like they literally have that booby game that's all that's all that mode that they're taking out is a mode that's just that's the entire game monster mon piece for the vita and doki doki majo shinpan continue to exist listen they're trying to clean it up for the fortnight and if and if you enjoyed any part of king of fighters that was funded by witch touching something was something was funded by it if you don't know what you're doing if you want to send us a letter about your doki doki or your blackout win that you didn't get because i'm the best send it to super best friendcast
Starting point is 02:46:03 gmail.com that's super best friendcast at gmail.com and if you want to if you want to create god what battle royal rumble just fucking do it yeah also if you want to send us stories about your job fucking you over with ot by all means send that in as well because those are always a fun read we got one coming in from uh beautiful jew they're that is great they're woolly verene and his ex friends when i was a kid growing up on ps1 fighters i had a strong moral code bad guys weren't allowed to win in my world because good guys were always there to stop them i would exclusively play what i understood to be good guys this led to a few odd head cannons such as shumigorath being a hero in my eyes oh that's okay since he was clearly way too cool to be a villain
Starting point is 02:46:54 like that big nerd lord zed it wasn't until later years later i realized that i was idolizing the baddest of the bad now i find myself adoring my main fang in street fighter five and i wonder what happened to that shining moral compass i displayed in my youth just fighting him characters what's the most our first pronounced time you learn to stop worrying and love the bad guy green ranger that's a good early one that's a good early one fuck can i get earlier than that i don't know that's like we're children i i was most of the gi joe cast uh super into phantasm of batman the mask of the phantasm i wanted phantasm to win i thought it was so cool the four generals and ronan warriors were super fucking good bad guys no that's that's the best so far that's yeah i'm
Starting point is 02:47:42 gonna go with that i'm gonna go with that they're cooler than most you wanted them not all of them get in but anubis was but but uh yeah i know green ranger's a good call for sure um yeah solid although in sailor moon it was the reverse i hated every villain fuck you zoosite nephlight malachite for life now i always like the girls better get the fuck out na son give me them stones just all wearing the same like it was i love the uniform it was very it was very space opera eh fair enough that was that makes sense for you i love i yeah they were they were wearing that space opera uniform that i want i love those characters um dear haunting of woolly best friends yes mm i was having a shower of thought i was having
Starting point is 02:48:31 shower thoughts about sbc chaos getting and how it got so many things wronged but they got one things right and that's chun li's legs when she does yeah when she does the hakuretsa kicks or any variants thereof her legs are super defined and muscular really appreciated this level of detail it was wondering what games you have that has one thing one detail done right despite everything else being bad to be fair i think that's her sprite in that game is modeled directly on her third strike sprite it really is same for her cvs too but on cv and c in and cvs uh they wait it's not like sbc chaos sbc chaos is the game he's talking about yeah yeah but that had extra muscle definition all those characters yeah and in cvs one they used her alpha three
Starting point is 02:49:12 sprite but then cvs two they drew it again and they made it based on third strike dmc two might be a miserable pile of shit but don't take a fucking jacket oh don't taste jacket and dmc two is the winner it's super cool it is the winner and lucia is a pretty good design too yep i hope she's back uh was like racing to get to that one before you got to it that's it's it's it's a solid man um we got one guy coming in from poop chalk just saying hey jeans can be for sleeping i often sleep in jeans and i clarify it's not oh man i'm tired where are my jeans it's that they're just a replacement for pjs i go to sleep in clothes that i wore the day because ever since i was a kid the idea of having clothes specifically specifically for sleeping has been
Starting point is 02:49:55 dumped to me i'd rather go straight to bed my dad does the same thing and i probably got it from him you know no so i people contacted me to be like i sleep in jeans that's not so crazy guess what in what night's when i'm super tired and passed out i've flopped on bed with my pants on no problem because you're super tired and you're lazy that's still suboptimal to comfort that's not a process that is suboptimal to comfort that is off the idea like i'm not wearing my jeans don't even pretend it's not and okay you know what's even weirder fuck it what's you know it's weirder than oh i'm gonna put my jeans on to sleep what's weirder is i'm just gonna naturally sleep in the clothes i wore before the day before as as just a matter of course that's how i go to bed i just wear my
Starting point is 02:50:39 clothes to bed and then i wake up and then i change them unless someone says i have specific sleeping jeans i got my work jeans on then when i come home i slap on my pajama jeans yeah shut up there were sorry i had outrageous no there were there was a pair of jeans i had that had like uh like soft insides that were like kind of comfy like they had like a i don't know what it is but it was like a little like wool kind of nice feeling inside layer to them no it was just they put something in between the denim i mean like i don't believe you they put something in between the denim and your skin and i'm like and they were kind of flexi and i was like those are cool but ultimately wearing falling asleep in jeans i understand you're too lazy but it's still
Starting point is 02:51:20 suboptimal comfort the idea that you're too lazy every day to change out of your clothes either into your uh your sleep waves or your not clothes depending how you just hard working man like what notice to the grindstone you're going to bed every day in your fucking clothes that's fucking disgusting your bed must be filthy that being said if someone wore like pajama bottoms all the time i'll give you two days of i'm seeing you with pajama bottoms on during the work hours well i'll give you two days where i'm like that's fine i you know i have lazy days too but then it's like eventually it's like but here's why that's stupid though like at the same time uh you could just kick them off in bed and be in your boxers and automatically upgrade your comfort situation yeah
Starting point is 02:52:09 well you're already lying there whatever what's going on on matt mcmuscle this is the most awful um gene basis i am taking a look at the greatest resneal game of all time code veronica and not only code veronica the uh dark side chronicles versions of code veronica that's an incredibly possessive i thought you were gonna say dead aim i know do you even know what happened with dead aim guns we talked about this with him we recorded a video and was deemed by many to be unwatchable tripe and we never released it we didn't even export the audio i think there was nothing said for a good watch right is a nice yeah because it's like we had nothing to say anyway um i'm i'm gonna be playing that for a bit i did a full lp of just the code veronica
Starting point is 02:52:57 scenario nice though don't know why that's weird oh it's really long it's three hours what really it's three hours were you just in a weird mood yes okay yes i was okay um yeah that might be streaming maybe later this week in a muncher got it pat angriest pat okay over at angriest pat uh if i'm gonna stream anything this week it's probably gonna be for honor over at twitch.tv slash angriest pat uh and i'll probably also show up not for honor but for you so i'll probably also show up over on uh pizza live i was probably doing ff4 maybe some more detroit but that's pretty much it all right maybe i'll i'll hop back in and do another blackout wind show you all how bad you are okay over on woolly versus we're hitting credits and everything
Starting point is 02:53:47 we're hitting credits doesn't mean it's done but it means the the the big things are have happened and uh lots of lots of moods and vibes i see and you couldn't possibly have two lps be in more opposite corners i can imagine at the end of where they their respective journeys are for uh near automata and uh narrative ultimate ninja storm two and i believe in a couple hours time uh a little bit of lore oh you got a little bit of poyo come in your way so i see yeah kerbo kerbo one um struggled with this one for a while for various dumb stupid reasons and apologies to moth and then and and little b for taking so long with this as i did but whatever um that's dropping on woolly versus today so over on the main channel we have the shit storm every night that's super
Starting point is 02:54:45 best friends play oh nice option select with the fake kirby fan by the way i appreciate that was a good option select i was like motherfucker that's that's best of both worlds right there yeah because it's good coverage the fact that you didn't catch me on it also means yeah yeah yeah no that's a good alas solid i'm working on it uh over on the main channel that's super best friends play or various other ways you can get there we got shit storms every night at nine we also got a devil may cry lp keep going and i believe you guys are polishing off uh uh board yeah you finished more than yeah the last episode already went out cool uh and the next will be joining up with the band of the hawk we're just we're just thugging around a little bit and also uh if you guys like to catch our
Starting point is 02:55:27 videos a new fun um occurrence fun no has happened in which youtube just publishes our videos private butt crap fart for no reason hell damn hell oh that problem that one oh i thought i thought uh yesterday dmc three did not go up properly until uh billy fixed it and it happened today and it happened today while we were recording so everybody um so uh the video timing might be fucked for the next little while because youtube is is privating our shit for no reason please those videos exist and they are coming out please don't trust your subscription box it despite the fact that it didn't even show up on the channel video we're all we find it in the playlist it sucks we're all creatures of habit so this is the worst at like thing ever but nothing is is stopped the content is there but
Starting point is 02:56:15 unfortunately youtube is just this could all be a ruse by us what happens when you shit the bed but the bed is already made of shit and there's no room left shit squared right youtube's bed is already made of shit so there's no room left so don't say shit shut up ceiling doesn't hit the don't swear just stop swearing say poop say poop say human refuse when you cack out of the bed when you cack out of the bed yeah and our cpm's oh i can feel them go up fuck you know like what happens when you just mega babies the fucking bed then what mega babies oh you're if you don't know you're lucky you don't we'll see we'll see y'all bye-bye that's mega babies let me show you how to break it up
Starting point is 02:57:22 but she solves the failure to natural in a way you've never seen before inside a chaos of play triumphs away search for your crimson it will be your guide feel like holding your feet knowing just who you are you'll see a new world and we'll make you love fighting gold keeping our lines on leave out driving something like the grinds on sorrow in the sky my soul shines
Starting point is 02:58:06 our lives are never refined from under when you break it try higher down the curve i'm full to nature i'm phenomenal fighting gold so tell me are you really free tell me i'm i'm really free if the world falls in my little abstracts let me show you how to kick off now crush your toes fade into my jumps in a way you've never seen before the green is high and the sea blue is comfy search for your crimson it will be your guide
Starting point is 02:59:16 being just who you are knowing just what you are to see a new world and we'll make you love fighting gold keeping our brand in the age there's uncrossed skies of passion but to spend some time my soul shines our lives are high and forth i'm full within my body try higher down the curve i'm full to nature i'm phenomenal fighting gold so sharp to rain keeps falling down on me
Starting point is 03:00:19 fighting gold keeping our brand in the age there's uncrossed skies of passion but to spend some time my soul shines our lives are never refined from under when you break it try higher down the curve i'm full to nature i'm phenomenal fighting gold you

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