Cautionary Tales with Tim Harford - Cautionary Tales Presents Vultures from Lost Hills: Dark Canyon

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

The disappearance and death of Mitrice Richardson remains Malibu, CA’s most baffling unsolved case. It’s been nearly 14 years since her remains were discovered in a remote canyon, and still, no one has been held accountable for her demise. To this day, her death remains an unsolved mystery. The truth lies in the remote Malibu community where Mitrice was last seen. And now, finally, people are starting to talk. Enjoy this episode from Lost Hills: Dark Canyon. Available wherever you listen to podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today I'm taking you to Malibu, California to explore one of the city's great unsolved mysteries. In 2009, a woman named Mitrice Richardson was released from the Malibu Lost Hills Sheriff's Station. She never made it home. Nearly a year later, Maitrice's remains were discovered in a canyon six miles from the station. Everyone knows something horrible happened to Maitrice and for 15 years the Sheriff's Department has failed to solve her case. From Pushkin Industries, host Dana Goodyear is investigating what happened to my trees in Lost Hills, Dark Canyon. Today you'll hear the first episode and if you want to hear more, you can find the show in your favourite podcast player. And now over to Dana. A couple of years ago, I found a video buried on the internet, deep in the metadata, behind

the 404 error codes. In it, a young black woman is questioning a middle-aged white guy who's sitting on the edge of his bed, drinking a beer. Did you hear Baynard on the door? Talking at the door, like they just shut it on her or something. The person they're talking about is Maitrice Richardson, a 24-year-old black woman who disappeared in Malibu in 2009 and whose remains were discovered there 11 months later. They're talking about the day of her disappearance.

I was up above when I first heard her voice and by the time I got down below, then kind of like curiosity kind of drug me closer to the fence. The interview is being shot vertical, seemingly on a cell phone, with the guy taking up the whole frame. He looks like an aging California golden boy with gray and blonde hair, a tan, and a barrel chest. He's relaxed, wearing a sky blue Henley shirt tucked into a pair of camouflage shorts. So I really couldn't see her face,

but I could see her shadow. That's this. While he says this, he gestures broadly, waving his big paws around in the air. Mm-hmm. The light of the night, you know, with the light on the front porch. She was screaming at something, you know, and it was pretty loud, and I'm thinking,

God damn, it's 4-3 in the morning. What was she saying? She was saying, God damn, buddy, you know. It was pretty loud, and I'm thinking, God damn, it's 4.30 in the morning. What was she saying? She was saying, God damn, buddy, we're stuck over here. She was pissed or something, you know. Something. I think it was the people at the house. She was angry, and maybe they told her, she had to leave or get her called the police,

and she was telling them, you son of a, you know, whatever, you know. He got curious. The scene was so out of place in this quiet neighborhood. A young woman alone in the early morning hours, shouting? She might be in trouble. Because I figured, well, if there's some dude there, I'm not going to let some dude hit her, you know? I wouldn't have hesitated to walk on that property, but since I wasn't, I couldn't see anybody else except for her, or not really even her, just her, she was angry, something.

I mean, the kind of guy that would've been right there. I would've been the doggo protector. The interviewer, her name's Raven Masterson, she made the video sometime after Maitrice's remains were found. Like so many people, she wanted to figure out what happened to Maitrice. Because the death of Maitrice Richardson

is Malibu's most horrifying, notorious, and scandalous unsolved case. For 15 years, Maitrice's story has been shrouded in mystery. The scant clues have been worked over a thousand times to no end. There's no resolution, no satisfying explanation, and no one has been held accountable. Many people blame the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department for her death. Some take it farther, and this is how Raven leans in the video. They even think a deputy may have killed Matrice.

Matrice was arrested at Joffrey's Restaurant on Pacific Coast Highway on September 16, 2009. She was released from Lost Hills Station at 12.25 a.m. on the 17th. After that, there was one official sighting of her at 6.30 a.m. in the backyard of a house in Montanito, a secluded neighborhood off Malibu Canyon. That's about six miles from the Lost Hills Sheriff Station. But the guy in the video, he says he saw her too. Two hours earlier, at 4.30 a.m., making a commotion in the front yard of that same house. Montanito, mountain nest. It's a tight-knit community in the shadow of the Santa Monica Mountains. Most people in LA don't even know it exists. It's got

creeks and horses and neighbors that have known each other in some cases for generations. Kids run around barefoot. There's a big Fourth of July parade and an annual square dance. It's a place out of time. It feels like the rustic, horsey California of the 1940s, mixed with the freewheeling party culture of the 1970s. And it's got none of the flash of coastal Malibu or the nearby gated communities of

Calabasas. This is California, so of course there have been a couple of waves of gentrifiers. But among the old timers, the people who practically homesteaded there in the 50s, there's a distinct, backwoods, ingrown feeling. And it bears mentioning, the whole place is extremely white, with one notable exception. Will Smith, one of the most famous black men in America, owns an estate in Montanito. But I don't think he frequents the square dance

or the Fourth of July parade. It's hard to express how unlikely it is that my trees would end up in this isolated community. There isn't even a sign for Montanito on Malibu Canyon. How would she even have known it was there? 11 months after Maitrice Richardson disappeared, park rangers checking a known illegal pot grout found her remains in a treacherous canyon above Montanito called Dark Canyon. During this time, the Santa Monica Mountains were notorious for harboring large marijuana operations run by organized crime syndicates.

These massive grows were often protected with armed guards who would camp out in the canyons for extended periods. The Rangers had disrupted a Dark Canyon grow in July 2009, two months before Mitrice's disappearance. When they returned in August of 2010, they didn't report any fresh signs of pot-growing activity. But there in the dormant grow were the remains of a black woman. She was mostly bones, a skeleton with small flaps of mummified skin remaining. And she was naked. From the beginning, every aspect of the case seemed off.

What was wrong? How she was arrested? How she was released? How she was searched for? How her remains were discovered? How her remains were recovered? And how her death was investigated. All of it looked like a colossal screw-up on the part of law enforcement, starting with the Lost Hills cops.

And what the sheriff's department has said about the case over the years, it just makes no sense. Their refrain essentially is, some cases can't be solved. This is a sheriff's spokesman three days after Maitres's body was found. ... Homicide will continue their investigation. It's likely that we can never find out exactly how she got there, but they're going to do their very best to figure that out. And they're still saying Maitres's death will always be a mystery. But I don't accept that. It's a stubborn, strange, problematic case.

But I do think it's solvable. Because someone in that secluded, tight-knit community of Montanito knows what happened to her. I'm Dana Goodyear, and this is Lost Hills, season four, Dark Canyon. Episode 1 – Vultures Right off Pacific Coast Highway, across from the Malibu Lagoon and next to the gas station, there's a small memorial. It's a rock with a plaque on it, commemorating the life of a man who was known as Malibu Joe.

Malibu Joe was Joe Costello. He was originally from Genoa, Italy, but starting in the mid-1950s, he became a beloved Malibu figure, riding his bike slowly up and down PCH in a fedora and a baggy overcoat. In the summer of 1988, he was beaten and left for dead in the Oleander bushes where he lived, where the memorial is today. He died a few days later. He was 96 years old. The Sheriff's Department investigated,

but the killing was never solved, so no one was ever punished. Malibu Joe died two decades before Maitrice Richardson. The cases have nothing to do with one another, except this. Both Joe and Maitrice show moments of rupture. The cases have nothing to do with one another, except this. Both Joe and my trees show moments of rupture. They're both signals that Malibu isn't what it seems. Malibu is not paradise.

Sunshine, nature, beauty, health, wealth, and eternal youth, that's the myth. But if I've learned one thing reporting here, it's that every seductive surface has its dark side. The beauty is the danger. It makes you let down your guard and believe in the fantasy. The unspoiled wilderness hides unspeakable crimes. And a place like that? A place like that breeds monsters. In the fall of 2009, Maitrice's disappearance was all over the local news. The mystery unraveled on a September night in 2009, right where the Pacific

greets the shores of Malibu. It all started when Maitrice tried to leave Joffries, a pricey restaurant on Pacific Coast Highway without paying her bill. She was arrested and taken to Lost Hills Station about 13 miles away. They contacted her mother who said that she will pick her up in the morning if you will keep her there. Deputy said we will. But instead of staying at the station, Maitrice walked out into the Malibu night. Her car was at a tow yard near PCH with her belongings inside. She was released at 1230 a.m. No wallet, no cell phone, no credit cards, no car. She was gorgeous and charismatic and, as would later come out, she was in the midst of a mental health crisis.

A beauty contestant, an honor student, and now a missing person. According to her mom, she had no street savvy whatsoever and she didn't know Malibu at all. Mitrice Richardson walked out of a Los Angeles County Sheriff's office and into a mystery that continues to baffle investigators. And then the mystery became a horror. 11 months later the 24-year-old college graduates remains were found here in Dark Canyon. She was naked and partially mummified. They discovered a skull, they discovered a pelvis, and they discovered a leg, just bones. They determined officially, unequivocally, and unfortunately, it was Maitrese Richardson. Coroners officials haven't determined the cause of death, and they say Richardson's

body was in the canyon for more than six months. Whatever happened in Dark Canyon remains for the moment a dark secret. It's been 15 years since Maitrice disappeared, 14 years since her remains were found, and there's been no progress on her case. There's no sign that law enforcement is actively working on it, but it's not a cold case. It's a, quote, active criminal investigation, which means the sheriff's department doesn't have to share information. And believe me, they take that very seriously.

They do not like to talk about this case. In the midst of their silence, a sinister narrative has taken hold in the public imagination that the L.A. County Sheriff's Department, specifically the Lost Hills cops, are behind Matrice's death. They deny this. But the idea lives on in a new generation of true crime TikTokers and YouTubers. Welcome to another episode of Murder, Mystery and Makeup Monday. Today's story is about Matrice Richardson.

It kind of feels like that they were hiding something. The police work in this case was awful. Is this incompetence or a cover-up? I mean, they originally were trying to hide the fact that they had security footage. The previous captain was in on it and promoted for his cover-up job. I believe that Matrice Richardson was murdered,

and it was covered up by the L.A. County Sheriff's Office. We know the cops took my trees to the station and the cops let her go in the dark. This part is true. Undisputed fact. And then what? How did she get from the station to Montanito, six miles away? How did she end up in Dark Canyon? Why was she naked? And what happened to her missing bones? Oh yeah, that's one more undisputed fact.

While most of Maitres's bones were eventually accounted for, discovered in the canyon's heavy leaf litter, an important one has not been found. The fragile bone above the larynx that often breaks when a person is strangled. Whether you're starting or scaling your company's security program, demonstrating top-notch security practices and establishing trust is more important than ever. Vanta automates compliance for SOC 2, ISO 27001, and more, saving you time and money

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The autopsy reads, quote, well, there is no evidence of anti-mortem trauma to the bones or the limited amount of tissue accompanying them. In the absence of internal viscera, internal injury cannot be completely rolled out. And, quote, in the absence of suitable specimens for toxicology, the autopsy is not a homicide. The autopsy reads, quote, in the absence of suitable specimens for toxicology testing, the possibility of fatal substance abuse cannot be ruled out. And quote, death due to exposure, snakebite, pneumonia, or other natural diseases also cannot be ruled out.

Therefore, quote, both cause and manner of death remain undetermined, unquote. Hello. Hey, how are you? I'm Dana. Dana, hi. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. I'm at the home of Lisa Scheinen.

She's the forensic pathologist who conducted the autopsy of my Tresa's remains. She's also one of the world's foremost authorities on roller coasters. That is my big hobby, collecting butterflies. Her house, a normal looking suburban house in Redondo Beach, is basically a natural history museum. So do you capture them in a net and then,

come here, pick them up. Shadow box frames filled with specimens are stacked in every corner. There's something called a killing jar, which you can make. It's a jar that has a plaster of Paris base, and then you pour in, you can use cyanide. When you screw the cap on, it's a closed environment and it makes fumes that kill the butterfly. Basically put it to sleep in seconds.

Dr. Shinan worked for the L.A. County Coroner's Office for 24 years. I was a deputy medical examiner at the L.A. County Coroner's Office, now retired. She worked on a lot of high-profile cases. She did the autopsies on the musicians Elliot Smith and Notorious B.I.G. My autopsied Steve Allen, Dr. Noor from the Killing Fields, Brittany Murphy, Brian Keith. But my Teresa's case stands out. There are over the years some cases that do stick with me because of the circumstances of the case. There were so many unknowns.

I mean, every time I'd been near Malibu, I'd start thinking, well, geez, this is where my Tres was. And this is just such a tragic case. What she knew at the start was very basic. A few scattered pieces of clothing and a human skeleton had been found in an inaccessible canyon in Malibu. The autopsy report details the pieces

of my Trice's clothing that were recovered from the remain site. One, navy blue or black padded bra. Two, pink narrow belt, medium large, alligator skin pattern. Three, blue jeans, US size 29, dirty, empty pockets. She'd been wearing a Bob Marley t-shirt and a pair of vans when she left Lost Hill Station. She also had her California driver's license on her.

Those items, along with her hat and her keys, were missing. I had the investigator's report. This particular investigator's report was very straightforward. It said somebody from law enforcement was checking an area in a remote canyon and found the bones and the clothing and the clothing was about a hundred feet away from the skeleton. You know, that's very limited information. Sometimes we have two or three pages of information, but not so in this case. So the first thing you do is you lay everything out in anatomical order and count what you've got.

It was a nearly complete skeleton. It wasn't an intact skeleton in that everything was connected. There were a lot of disarticulated bones, but there were some areas or certain blocks like some parts of the lower extremities, parts of some of the upper extremities, were held together by a minimal amount of soft tissue. The soft tissue was mostly skin that had been mummified. Yeah, mummification is a process. It can be accidental if you have a body in a very dry hot environment

the liquid essentially disappears and and what you get is this very leathery rigid skin sometimes some soft tissue you usually the Internal organs don't mummify. So it's mostly the skin, muscle, tendons, that type of thing. There were a few small marks on some of the bones. The work, Dr. Scheinen thought, of animals scavenging the remains. The toes of the left foot were missing, and that was consistent with animal activity. But otherwise, the bones were intact.

We look for things like fractures, which would usually mean some sort of a blunt force impact. We would look for any evidence of a gunshot wound or a stabbing. I didn't see any evidence of a physical traumatic injury. There was also no way to tell if my trees had been sexually assaulted. Without soft tissue there's really nothing that that you can do or see and sperm doesn't last. Without internal organs there was no way to tell if she had overdosed. She wasn't found with cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, anything like that.

She didn't really have a history of that type of thing. But again, without being able to do an accurate test, we don't know. There was a small amount of leg muscle. Dr. Scheinen sent it in for toxicology, and that report came back inconclusive. As soon as Mitrice's remains were discovered, law enforcement began suggesting that Maitrice,

experiencing a mental health episode, had probably wandered into Dark Canyon by herself and died from exposure, dehydration, venom, or something. Her death, they implied, was tragic but natural. I asked Dr. Scheinen about the natural causes theory. In this particular case there's several possibilities. There are rattlesnakes there. She could have been bitten by a rattlesnake. There's also fire ants. She could have had a severe allergic reaction to something. There's poison oak

there that's horrible. It's everywhere. And some people are more sensitive than others. But why would the skeleton be naked? Mitrice's bra, belt, and jeans were found hundreds of feet from the skeleton, and the belt was no longer on the jeans. A seasonal stream, Dark Creek, runs through the canyon, and cops suggested that a flash flood could have removed her clothes, carrying them downstream. The winter my trees was missing was a rainy one. But even so, it takes a real contortion of logic to imagine a flood could strip a body naked and remove a belt from a pair of pants. Usually when we have a person who's dead with their clothes on, the clothes will stay on.

Even if the body mummifies, the clothes are going to stay on. Water might wash off socks or something like that, but it's not going to completely undress a body. Dr. Scheinen raised a different natural explanation for mitresis nudity, hypothermia. There's something that happens with extreme cold called paradoxical undressing. Normally, when you're cold, your blood vessels will constrict to try to keep the blood more central in the body. Well, what happens with paradoxical undressing is there is a reflex dilatation of these blood vessels. So all of a sudden you get this rush of nice warm blood into these areas that were previously cold. And people who were probably a little bit out of it by this point think, oh my gosh, it's so warm, I'm too hot,

and they take their clothes off. However, that tends to happen more often in extreme cold where there's snow. In mid-September 2009, the average overnight low at the weather recording station nearest to Dark Canyon was in the mid-60s. And I'm not sure it would get cold enough up in the canyon for that to happen, but it's just something to think about. Obviously there's another possible explanation. Foul play. There are sinister reasons for the person not having their clothes on. I mean, could she have been sexually assaulted? And they just

took her clothes off and left them off. Who knows? It's certainly a real possibility. And what about the missing clothing? And also the fact that it was an incomplete set of clothes and none of the additional items of clothing were ever found, including shoes, which I think have a little more weight than other clothing. As with everything about Mitrice's case, the story of her remains is a story of absences, gaps, and guesses. A forensic pathologist works by process of elimination, but with so little

hard evidence, it was difficult to rule out anything. So the fact that I didn't see any trauma in the bones doesn't mean trauma didn't happen. It's always possible that a gunshot wound can go through and through a body without hitting bone. Same thing for a stab wound. What's also possible is asphyxia or manual strangulation or maybe choked with a rope. The reason people die when they're strangled is you're cutting off the blood flow to the brain. We're looking for things that reflect the fact that you are compressing neck structures. In the autopsy report, there's a list of missing bones. Some bones from the hand, the left toes, presumably scavenged by animals, the tailbone, the xiphoid process

at the bottom of the sternum, and a thin, fragile neck bone called the hyoid. The hyoid bone is the only floating bone in the body. It's not attached to any other bone. It sits a little bit above the thyroid cartilage, and it's essentially there as a base of muscle attachment. Because of its shape and position in the body, a broken hyoid can provide clear evidence of strangulation.

For a forensic pathologist, it's a very significant bone. And what's important about it is it's a U-shaped bone with the projections heading towards the back of the neck. So if it's compressed from both sides, which is what happens when you have a strangulation case with manual strangulation, is that you're putting pressure on the wings of the hyoid bone and they can fracture. The thing with the hyoid is if you found it and it was broken, you could say, aha, this person was strangled.

But like the missing clothing and her ID, Mitrice's hyoid bone was never found. Dr. Scheinen says Mitrice's case could still be resolved. With new evidence, the coroner could change the cause of death from undetermined. If there was foul play involved, someone could confess. You never know. Could be deathbed confession. Maybe they'll raid somewhere, someplace, and they'll find pictures of her. Anything is possible. They could just investigate the right person at the right time. Sometimes killers will save souvenirs that can be recognized as something from the person.

Anything like that could happen. Anything could happen, including this. Someone who knows something could decide they've kept the secret for too long. Hey, everyone. It's Adam Grant. I host a podcast called Rethinking about the science of what makes us tick. This season, we're talking about the dangers of charisma with Nexium whistleblower Sarah Edmondson.

Some people have it, some people don't. And I think that's an element of charisma. But it's just a tool. It's like a knife in the hand of a element of charisma, but it's just a tool. It's like a knife in the hand of a surgeon or the knife in the hand of a murderer. It's who's wielding it and what's their goal. Find and follow Rethinking with Adam Grant wherever you're listening. Mytresa's movements on September 17, 2009 are mostly unknown. After she was released from Lost Hills Station at 12.25 a.m., she somehow made her way six

miles to Montanito in the dark. The next morning, around 6.30 a.m. she was spotted there in the backyard of a house at the bottom of Cold Canyon Road. And I saw somebody sitting on the top step of the six railroad ties that we have in the backyard. I called out and said, are you okay? And the answer was, yes, I'm just resting. And by the time we went around to the other window, she was gone. That's Karen Smith speaking in an ABC7 documentary about my Teresa's disappearance.

Karen's house is kind of a landmark in the neighborhood because it has a tennis court out front. Her husband, Bill Smith, who died in 2017, was a reporter on KTLA, a local TV news station. The Smiths called the cops, and later deputies confirmed that the woman who'd been in the backyard was Maitrice. That's the one official sighting of Maitrice Richardson after she left Lost Hill Station. But then there's the other story, the unofficial story,

the one the guy on the edge of his bed told Raven in the lost interview. It was 4.30 in the morning. I'm coming down off my mountain. I'm off my little high-down. So where do you live? I live right down the street. I live here now.

I live right down the street. I've lived in Montalino all my life. So my folks live here and everything. He says he was heading down into the neighborhood from his spot on the mountain in the early morning hours. It's coming down at 4.30 in the morning. You know, because I left about 4.15 for my spot. Takes about 10 minutes, 15 minutes to get down. Okay. And I'm coming down.

There's a, well, almost that woodblock and coal canyon. Mm-hmm. And there was a, right at woodblock and coal canyon, there's a house with a tennis court right there and has a big horseshoe driveway. That's the Smiths' house. You can look it up on the internet because the guy gave a statement. But his story and the Smiths' story, they're really different.

The time, where my treatise was on the property, they don't line up. He found her in the backyard, talking to herself. But you know what? She wasn't in the backyard when I walked by. She was at the front door. And in his account, she wasn't quietly resting. She was audibly distressed. I could hear her screaming.

I could tell she was black. It was by her straw. Yeah, the intonation in her voice. I didn't know that black people lived in Montenegro. Lived in Montenegro. So, he says, he decided to hang out, just to make sure she was safe. Stay there for about 30 seconds, and I said, uh, come a little bit closer. But when she didn't seem to be in danger, he figured he should move along.

I didn't really. She was danger, he figured he should move along. The woman, he says, was a total stranger to him at the time. He didn't know she was about to become a household name. And so, I just didn't think much of it. You know, I didn't know that she'd just been arrested. It was the same night, you know. The circumstances of the situation. He didn't know that deputies and search parties with horses, drones, and dogs were going to be pouring into sleepy little Montanito looking for her.

This young woman who was not from Malibu, who he thought didn't really fit in there. Even though he didn't know any of that, he knew something out of the ordinary had happened. I told my landlord the next morning, I said, yeah, he would believe what I'm talking about last night. The next thing that happened? He saw the vultures. So many vultures. Vultures are a fact of life in Montanito, but this was more than he'd ever seen before, more than he could count. But so I just, I hear this a couple days later, you know, I hear that she's missing and that, you know,

what the hell, all this stuff's going on. And like, so I'm up in my spot, like what? Two days later, and I see, and I've seen a lot of vultures in my life. I've lived out here 50 years, right? Right. Never seen a hundred vultures. Just swooning.

I've seen like a thousand of them, you know, I've never seen that many. Now when did you see this? I saw this like two days after she was missing. Maybe four days after she was missing. Mm-hmm. You know, I thought to myself, you know, because I've been back here all my life,

and I'm kind of like a trapper, I'm kind of a mountain man. Right. Like that. I wondered what they do in a city, you know, there's something dead up there. You know, obviously, there's that many poultry. This story of the Montanito lifer who saw my trees the morning of her disappearance, it's not out there. The recording and all the new information in it got buried under so much other information,

so much misinformation, conspiracy theories, dead ends, lies. It was lost in the leaf-litter detritus of the internet. But it's kind of like that hyoid bone, tiny and super significant. Because this ordinary guy sitting on the edge of his bed, drinking a beer, telling a story, he makes what is probably the single most important statement of any witness in this case. I don't know any of the facts except for that the constant I was the last one to see her alive.

If he was the last one to see her alive, did he know something about her death? This season on Lost Hills. I know one of them officers had something to do with it. It's like when I seen the news, it was like, damn, that's crazy because I was like in a cell with this woman. Somebody said they actually followed her after she left. Do you think you heard someone talking about how the deputy could give her a ride somewhere?

Yes, yes. I was a male deputy. If I'm getting murdered, anybody is going to be a cop. I mean, I had to sleep in front of my kid's door because people were coming to kill my kids. I was dating her at the time, and she ended up going missing. And I was questioned by LA Homicide as a possible suspect for her disappearance.

And then one of the other guys came and said, what do you know about my Trice? He knew exactly where she was, which gives me the chills. Imagine if this was your kid that was swept up and put in a box like this. Lost Hills Season 4 Dark Canyon is written and hosted by me, Dana Goodyear. It was reported by me and Hailey Fox, our

senior producer. The show was created by me and Ben Adair. Lost Hills is a production of Western Sound and Pushkin Industries. Subscribe to Pushkin Plus and you can binge the whole season right now ad free. Find Pushkin The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Since it was established in 1861, there have been 3,517 people awarded with the Medal. I'm Malcolm Gladwell and our new podcast from Bushkin Industries and iHeartMedia is about those heroes, what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Medal of Honor, Stories of Courage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,

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