Chainsaw History - Part One: Eliza Schuyler Hamilton

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

{ Discover more at ChainsawHistory.com — access our full episode list, delve into bonus content, and support our show with a paid subscription! }Bambi takes over the podcast and tells the story of Elizabeth Schuyler—most known to history and Broadway musical fans as the wife of Mr. Ten Dollar Bill, Alexander Hamilton. But Jamie learns that the Schuyler sisters and "Betsy" are far more than background characters and devoted wives. Using the Lin-Manuel Miranda musical as a frame of reference the siblings set the record straight about extraordinary women from the time of the American Revolutionary War.

Welcome to the bonus episode of Chainsaw History everybody. Today I am the sub co-host Jamie Chambers and this is my sister Bambi who will be taking the reins today. She has done her own research, written a script, seen a musical. No, not just once, but a whole, whole bunch of times. She has done what you would call a deep dive. And so today I get to sit back, listen to what she has to say and react.

Yeah, your long-belated birthday present. Woohoo. It's called Low Effort Content on behalf of me. Yeah, and I worked very, very, very hard on this for months. Wrote a script and then threw it in the trash and then wrote it again. Yeah, and then pretty much this one's going to be thrown in the trash too. I'm just... Well, here's the secret.

As a writer, let me tell you something. I forget. I will get the quote wrong and I don't even remember who said it, but it's basically the idea that writing is never finished, it is only released or just done. You hit your deadline and just done. You're never ever gonna be happy with it

and there's always more you could do. That's why deadlines exist, otherwise no one would have ever written the first fucking thing. Yeah, so let's just start. So who are we talking about today? Today, we are going to talk about Eliza Schuyler Hamilton.

Eliza Schuyler Hamilton. The long-suffering maligned wife of Alexander Hamilton. Hey, I've heard of her. You have heard of her. I was introduced to Eliza, like many of you through Hamilton the musical. We start our journey with narrator Aaron Burr and the cast weaving the story of Alexander in his life in the Caribbean. We follow him through his life and ends after his death with a brief telling of Eliza's

accomplishments. We see Alexander reunite and he leads her to the front of the stage in the spotlight. Eliza looks to the heavens with the final line, who lives, who dies, who tells your story. The lights go up and the cast takes its bow and the audience is left with the notion that Eliza's story was told. That would mean she plays a supporting role in her own life. Well in the musical and, and it was very much inspired by Ron Chernow's biography, which I have read.

Yes, I have too. That she kind of comes across as a supporting player in the greatness of Alexander Hamilton and her function was just to keep him from being forgotten and for his enemies from bulldozing his legacy because that's all she cared about. Well at least according to the... The misogynistic bullshit book that this musical was written on. That was the impression left which he also wrote the biography of Washington I used for our very very first episode ever. Yeah well that's I read that book and that's 30 hours of my life I will never get back. It was horrible

I don't know about horrible, but it definitely I would call it a definitely a particular viewpoint. Yeah, I mean he literally chose What he wanted to use It was a it's a polished version of Alexander Hamilton, a semi-apologist. It was very biased, and it was very just, he told the story of Alexander Hamilton from one angle, and that angle was the best one that he could muster. I mean, he showed some rough sides to Hamilton, but he definitely smoothed some stuff over for sure,

and it definitely kind of elevated him as this sort of misunderstood, heroic character, which I think, you know, years later is definitely over, I think overstated and he fell a little bit too in love with his subject. He was, he was very much in love with him. Cause I think he was a lot harder on Washington in his biography than he was on Hamilton in his,

but you know, I don't know. I wasn't there when he did all his Hamilton and his, but you know. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't, I wasn't there when he did all his research and coming up with his viewpoint. I thought he was a very good, just once again, for like anything in history, don't ever rely on one source. You need multiple sources and viewpoints to begin to get like a three dimensional viewpoint of any. Well that and he, like especially with Eliza, because I thought there was just not any information. I really did.

Especially when you read the book and learn that a lot of her letters and writings didn't survive. Yeah. I mean, the truth was that he really was only interested in her as a supporting character in Hamilton's story. Just like, then again, Hamilton is a supporting character in Washington's book. And again, I can accept that, except for the fact that then we have this musical and at the very end, it's like, look, we told her story.

It's like, no, you told like three things about her. Well, I mean, I was, the whole point was like, she's the one who told his story. And to me, the ending was a total sloppy blowjob. It was, it was, you know, the whole musical, it's like a blowjob. It's fun, but the end gets real messy. To me, the, like, so the end of the musical, Lin-Manuel Miranda pops out, and like, at least the way I read it,

is that he stopped being Hamilton by that point. And he literally was like Lin-Manuel Miranda guiding Eliza Hamilton out into the modern thing so she could see the audience of the actual modern thing and see that her goal of telling her husband's story was achieved and that's why she gasped and it wasn't that her story was told but that she had succeeded in telling his which was her whole point in life apparently which again that's reducing her to I am just here to service the title character of this musical.

Yes. His human concubine. So allow me to say, so I'm guessing here that you have some stuff to say about all of that. I do. I have some stuff to say. Let's do it. When I was first introduced to the musical, I loved it.

I was obsessed with it. And I really wanted to read her biography and straight up couldn't find it. At least it wasn't released on Audible yet. It might have, it was probably released on hardback and I think I was like, I'm not gonna pay for a hardback book. So kind of on a whim a few years later after rewatching the musical, I found it. It finally got an audio version. It appeared.

So I was really, really excited. So before we begin, let's acknowledge that I did have, I read many books and there were sources. So my main source and anytime I quote like the book this is the book I'm talking about because it's the only biography on Eliza Hamilton Eliza Hamilton the extraordinary life and times of the wife of Alexander by Tyler Mazzio Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chanel and I also read founding mothers Mothers by Cookie Roberts,

which was really fun. I didn't have a whole lot about Eliza and what it did have because it was written in a certain time period and it was written about several women, not just her. So it was Eliza as a feisty old lady, but it was still a cool read. And I got a cool little couple of things out of it. Okay. And then of course, Hamilton, the musical by Lin-Manuel Miranda.

Ah, yes. Back when that all seems so new and fresh and not tired and overdone. Yeah. Okay. So the book wasn't what I was expecting because I really didn't expect her to have led a full and interesting life without her husband because that's kind of how it was portrayed. How was such a thing even done? Yeah. It was extraordinary, is accurate. It's, she really was like this force of nature all by herself. Well, that's cool.

I look forward to hearing it. And it wasn't even just her. Her family was really interesting and really large. She had a very large political family. These were like the Clintons of their time. Yeah, they were a political, they were like one of the richest families in New York. Yeah and in so many ways. She was extraordinary. Okay so there's a little back and forth because

I'm going to use the musical as a timeline. Okay. And the musical is sloppy in time so like act one is really straightforward. Act two is kind of a mess. So we're going to start our musical. I'm going to have to Ben Shapiro this shit. It's a buckle the fuck up. Ben Shapiro? Yes. I had to do that.

I had to watch this musical with all... And I had to turn the musical on. By the way, they have, um, on Disney, they have all the words you can sit, they have a sing-along version. So that was very, very helpful when it came to this, especially it's like when you're having to quote lines and pick out little things, it was, I felt like Ben Shapiro in the Barbie movie with my pencil trying to just get in there. But at the same time I do love it. I don't

want anybody to say I love this thing. I don't quite love it as much as I did. I almost wish I have never started this terrible project but here we are. Now welcome to my world where you destroy the things you love. Yes. So Act 1, the correction of character assassination of the Skyler women. So we are introduced to Eliza and her sisters Angelica and Peggy, song 5, the Skyler sisters. Yeah. Where apparently they're just boy crazy and going downtown to watch the construction

workers. Yeah, and the basic characteristics of these women and how they're portrayed is completely wrong. Like he didn't even get them as people right. I mean they weren't just horny women running around yelling politics at random construction workers in New York? They weren't. They weren't construction workers. They were students. Yeah. Whatever.

They were students in the common just to watch them talk. Yeah. I told you I saw this a few times. Okay. So Angelica bounds on Sage and she's bold and forceful followed by an eager Eliza, fresh-faced and earnest. Peggy's just sort of there. And no, she's kind of pulled along and upset and unhappy. And the first few lines of this song establish those ideas that are fundamentally wrong about the sisters. But let's pin that for a minute and go back to the beginning. Eliza's beginning. So Elizabeth Schuyler was born

to wealthy and influential parents, Catherine and Philip. Catherine Van Rensselaer Schuyler, known as Kitty. That name sounds like money. That name was lots of money. Like she was just born into a pile of gold. She was born into a pile. Well, mostly it was land, land, land, land. She had lots and lots of land. This is America. And she was wealthy, and then she married an also wealthy Dutch man. These people were very intertwined, very intermarried.

There were several families that were connected. The Livingston family, the Schuyler family, the Van Rensselaers, they were all family connected. So they were all cousins and they were the upper crust all mingling and intermarrying. And this was Albany, New York, So it's upstate New York. Okay. And Philip was a general in the Continental Army. So for the most part, we're gonna, he's gonna, we're gonna call him General Schuyler. Because there's a fucking lot of Phillips. A lot of Phillips, yeah. There's at least a few that I know of, and you probably know of even more. Yes.

Okay. So General Schuyler. Yeah. And so they were wealthy Dutch land and slave owners. They sure were. Elizabeth was known as Eliza or affectionately Betsy. Mostly she was with her family circle. She was called Betsy. And even Alexander referred to her as Betsy in his letters and things. That's what the people close to her would call her Betsy. Okay. And then she was, she was Eliza to everyone else.

That was more of her formal name. Yes. Okay. Because again, there was a fucking lot of Elizabeths. Yeah, I know how that goes. Lot of Elizabeths, lot of Catherine's, so many. Okay, she was the second oldest child of 14 Schuyler children, only seven making it to adulthood.

And that was all one lady popping those out? One lady. They were fucking human pen suspenders. What a hero. And let me tell you something about these sturdy Schuyler women. They were fucking hardcore baby makers. Good birthing hips. Oh yes.

And none of them died in childbirth, which was crazy. There's good Dutch. Yep. They just fucking just popped open their legs and popped them out and put another one in These women were goddamn kangaroos. They always had one on the hip and in the pouch No, thanks. Yeah, and how I mean in those and that's it back in a day when like sometimes Yeah, well children wouldn't make it past infancy Yeah Yeah, several children wouldn't make it past infancy. Yeah, and again and now the children in those families

Like I said, she had 14 and only half of them made it which is about right for that time period Because even rich people would lose everything. Which still means they had seven fucking kids! It's a lot. It's a lot. I can tell you I can tell you from personal experience that seven is a lot. Yeah Eliza was closest to her older sister Angelica affectionately called Ann and her younger sister Margarita and they called her Peggy. I like Margarita. If I tried to name my daughter Margarita people would just think I'm a drunk. Because Margarita didn't mean what it means until the 20th century. Yeah America we change things. But yeah and the musical Peggy is just sort of there and then just immediately forgot she's just there for that one cast

member to have something to do in act one. And that's really sad because Peggy was a huge part of the Hamilton. Yeah even yeah even in Ronnow's biography, she was like a significant character going on. But like in the musical, she's just there for that one scene to be kind of mentioned. They mentioned Philip Schuyler more than they showed him. They only showed him like once. Yeah. He was kind of there. To be fair. They didn't have 20 hours to make everyone a real character. Oh yeah. And again, of the things that I'm going to...

I don't want to nitpick it, but I feel like the character assassination of all these women. Because it's like, he didn't character assassination fucking anybody else. It was just the girls. I mean, hell, the musical felt like a love letter to Aaron Burr just as much as it did to Hamilton. Or at the very least, an apologist of Aaron Burr. It's like, yes, he was bad, but look at where his head was at. Yeah. I feel sorry for this guy. And then when you look at him, you know, I don't know if it'll ever happen, but he is on my, my chainsaw history hit list because so I

was surprised that he is a motherfucker piece of shit. Yeah. And I was just surprised. I just sort of assumed that after the musical that someone would immediately want to pick up that thread. It's like, Oh yeah, look what this asshole did the rest of his he's a treasonous motherfucker. I mean, he tried to steal the Louisiana purchase. So yeah, we'll get into Aaron Burr another day, but yeah, he tried to steal Louisiana purchase.

So yeah, we'll get into Aaron Burr another day, but yeah, he definitely deserves, uh, to, especially this musical space. Wow. What a complicated guy. No, it's like he mostly sucked. No, he pretty much mostly sucked. So, but anyway, about the Schuyler sisters, the girls grew up in a large plantation known as the Pastures in Albany, New York.

The Pastures bordered on the frontier during the French and Indian War. So General Schuyler, he was a general in the Continental Army, first for the crown and then for America. In the French and Indian War? Mm-hmm. Wow, that war started by a young dude named George Washington. Yeah, like George Washington. Oh, that, that war started by a young dude named George Washington. Throwback. And general Schuyler was an emissary for the crown during the grand Indian council of the six nations in 1770. Ah, yes. I remember we talked about that too.

Eliza was almost 13 and her brother, her oldest Brother was only like five so instead of taking a son which would have been Traditional he took his favorite daughter So at 13 Eliza got to go along and was first of all she could also speak some mohawk Because she had been introduced to native children very young. Well that's something you don't hear about in the musical. Yeah, she was an emissary, he was an emissary to the Iroquois. That's super cool. So he decided to bring his daughter along and she was inducted into the tribe in a naming

ritual and she was called One of us. Eliza was so proud of this. I know this didn't happen but in my head now I'm gonna imagine her actually shaving into a full mohawk. Right? Run away Eliza. But she was so much happier. But yeah she was really proud and she could run and climb and weave as fast as the native children so she was like a tomboy and she was really proud and she could run and climb and weave as fast as the native children. So she was like a tomboy and she was proud of herself for it. Cool. As an older child, she was sent off to join her older sisters at boarding school.

What kind of proper rich girl? So we're going to press play on our music for just a second. Mm-hmm. So we're going to press play on our music for just a second. So Eliza Angelica and Peggy are on stage and Burr informs us that the girls snuck into the city. This is a, while Aaron Burr is talking about his own prowess as a sexual conquistador. So Peggy, daddy said to be home by sundown. Daddy doesn't need to know. Daddy said not to go downtown.

Like I said, you're free to go. But look around, look around. The revolution's happening in New York. New York. New York. And then. Bad enough, daddy wants to go to war. People shouting in the square.

It's bad enough, there, so that's all wrong. Let me read you a passage out of the book for a second. So quote, before long, their younger sister, Peggy, joined the two older girls at school in the city, and each girl had her own family and role and personality. Angelica, the most sophisticated and socially ambitious of the three sisters, she thrilled to romance as she discovered in novels and poetry. Quote, a very pretty young lady, unquote, as one visitor noted emphatically. She looked the most like her mother, who had been a beauty.

Angelica was also a flirt and obsessed with the social graces and accomplishments that would make her a fine lady. Peggy, on the other hand, was dark-haired, plump, and some said the prettiest of all three sisters. With a sarcastic sense of humor that intimidated those less clever and less witty. She also possessed the lion's share of family musical talent and played the guitar with real skill and sang in a clear soprano. She also inherited her father's imperious demeanor and she and Philip Schuyler clashed on more than one occasion. She was his willful child and with her saucy tongue, his most exasperating daughter.

Eliza was the classic middle sister, the peacemaker. She took after her father with a strong bone face, a bit too thin and angular to be considered beautiful on a young woman. She had an enviable figure and a healthy athletic build from hopping over fences and riding horses fast. But she had a stubborn independence and a native modesty that made it easier to overlook her among her flashier sisters. Eliza was, as someone knew her said, a brunette with the most good-natured, lively

dark eyes which threw a beam of good temper and benevolence over her whole continents. Angelica was the socialite and Peggy could be the lavish rebel. Eliza was a quiet force that kept the three sisters together." So we can see that the characters of these women for the first line are fucking wrong. Like Peggy... She's the one who would have been leading the charge or playing her guitar and yelling at her father. Yes! She would have been the one sneaking into the city without daddy's permission but there was no way in hell Eliza would have done it. She was dutiful. She was the good girl. She was the super good girl and she was daddy's girl too. So she would have never done anything daddy disapproved of.

Angelica, maybe. Peggy, absolutely. She would have been the one not hiding in the background. She would have been the one fucking going off. All right. So unpause and we see the girl strolling along the stage, Angelica reading, Eliza next to her holding hands with Peggy. And Erin Burr comes along and sings an Angelica.

And she says, so men say that I'm intense or I'm insane. This would have not been true at all, not for Angelica. Both men and women found her to be intelligent, sweet and charming. Everything I saw, like everyone was enchanted with Angelica. Oh yeah. And see, Peggy was the bold one. She would have been the one in his face. Not Angelica. So it's very, very wrong and it's like, oh, I'm so intense. But no, she was just sweet and charming.

But this is about telling Alexander Hamilton's story in the musical which is all about the kind of characters we're trying to establish Angelica and Eliza to be for the purposes of that story. Yeah. Not about historical accuracy. Yeah and you know we see Peggy who would be like intimidated but she wasn't. She was bold and fun. She liked to drink and tell inappropriate jokes. Women didn't like her very much and she hung out with the boys more because she found them intelligent and what they had to say was important where young women chit chatting and gossiping just didn't interest her at all. And also this song is about New York City and the girls didn't leave Albany until after marriage.

Now the musical shows Alexander through the early stages of the Revolutionary War. Eliza and her family had their own part to play. Philip Schuyler worked as a general and a spymaster. He used his daughter's Angelica and Eliza to ferry information. Nice. The book described the situation as quote, they weren't spies but they weren't not spies either. They were at least, so they were like couriers. Yes. Spy information. They did. They were mules. They were mules for, for, mules for the revolution. For the revolution. And of course,

they could have been caught and it could have been bad. Nice. Well, that's cooler than, well, we were just at a party once. Yeah, very much so. And also during the Revolutionary War, her father's house was used to house not only incoming officers from America, but they also used for captured British officers as well. She met a lot of interesting and famous people, including Ben Franklin and one British spy British spymaster John Andre and Elisa actually developed a really girlish crush on John Andre and Elisa and Peggy actually made really nice impressions on all of the officers and soldiers that would come into the house. They would even the British officers would have toast to the beauty and graciousness of Eliza and Peggy. Oh, that was the powdered wig era.

Yeah, they found them both just charming. And one story of Elizaa she had developed this crush on this guy Tinch Tillman and at one point her family was going off to Saratoga and they were all staying at the pastures or somewhere I can't remember I didn't write this down but she actually convinced her parents to let her ride off alone and stay alone to go see this dude which was unheard of. That wasn't good for like hundreds of years later. And it wasn't it probably wasn't good for hundreds of reasons but they trusted her she was a good girl. You're the good girl you would never do anything. And she didn't. You wouldn't yank off your bloomers for some young man. And she would not have. And she did not. But and again she had plenty of chaperones

in the house. It's not like she was there with all these dudes by herself. It was totally proper except for the fact that she did ride off alone and for like for like 20 miles. So for just this one thing we have to purely trust that she that she you know kept her character in her virtue. Well I know the musical doesn't show this but again these women were kangaroos so if she would have fucked somebody we'd have known it. She would have been instantly pregnant. I'm not here to malign anyone's character, but hey, go something with some guy when she was a girl.

Good for her, is what I say. Whatever I hope she got, whatever she wanted out of that encounter. Well, she didn't, because what she wanted was to marry Tinch Tillman, and she never did. Nope, she got stuck with the dude and the ten dollar bill instead. And okay, one of my favorite stories is of Kitty Schuyler.

And Kitty Schuyler was home at the Pastures with the children. Famous for not being in the musical at all. At all. Her husband sent word that the British were advancing towards Saratoga. So ignoring all the danger, Kitty took off, part with horses and one slave. And he was armed, but that was it. And so she's rushing towards danger and all these fleeing people. And they were begging her along the way to turn around. Kitty Skyler's response, because the farm that she she was that she was going to her farm 40 miles away and people were begging her to turn around

and she claimed quote that the general's wife could not show fear unquote and when she reached the house she took everything and every one of use inside it and then she set fire to her crops. Burned her own farm crime and she tried to have one of the slaves help her and he was like no he was horrified because it was a hanging offense he's like I'm gonna get in trouble for this yeah he's like that's a hanging offense I would rather you whip me for saying no for me to die for if somebody else disagrees with this. Yeah.

Well, fair enough. Yeah. And she didn't trust the other slave enough to give him a gun. Well, yeah. And again, so she was just like, okay, this is my duty. And she did it all by herself. She set fire to all of her fields. So when the British came to resupply, all they found was scorched earth. And this is kind of hardcore.

And yeah. And it also, she tried to convince the farms around her to do the same. So it was like kind of what they were expecting to reach Saratoga and find all these farms and resupply and they found nothing. Nice. I was reminded. I don't know why this popped in my head, but there was that old Jean-Claude Van Damme movie

where he played a Cajun. It was the one where he bit off the rattle of a rattlesnake with his teeth. But Wilford Brimley, you know, the oatmeal diabetes guy, he played this crazy old Cajun coot in that movie that when the bad guys came, he blew his own house up with dynamite and burned the whole place to the ground Just to tell the bad guys to go fuck themselves. Yes, so that's what I'm thinking of Kitty Skyler

That is Kitty Skyler. Fuck you redcoats. Mm-hmm. And even though it's like they were they needed to rush back to the house She decided that she just loaded up everything on her cart and then she took the oxen and sent all the horses to the army. So the apple didn't fall far from the tree so this feisty lady had feisty daughters. Yes. Got it. Yeah and this one little act of defiance from this one woman was actually something that helped America win the war because British starving to death was kind of a thing. And we're going to give you, if we can't have the food, you're definitely getting it. And they assholes. Exactly.

So she loaded up everything she could and headed back home. I'm in favor of not being subjugated to a monarchy. So I'm for it. Go kitty. Uh, not cool with you owning slaves but what are you gonna do? Well I mean that's a whole longer conversation. Yeah that's a whole complicated conversation but anywho. Moving right along. In the winter of 1779 Eliza went to go stay with her aunt and uncle in Morristown, New Jersey. There she met George Washington's handsome

young aide-to-camp Alexander Hamilton. The meeting is so momentous we got to see it twice. In the musical and funny enough this wasn't even their first meeting. Yeah it was their second. The first one they didn't make much of an impression on each other. Yeah I had heard that they'd actually met a couple of times before they finally started to court. Well, they had really only met once and he was just delivering a letter, but she went to go stay with her aunt and uncle in Morristown and they were smitten. Like it was eyes locked, love at first sight kind of shit. Granted, he was known for that.

She was not his first girl that he tried to court date. That whole line about the horny tomcat being named after Hamilton by Martha Washington, that was a true story. And he had just. That he had a reputation for being kind of a ladies man. Yeah, and he had just, but the thing is, it's like he had a reputation for being a ladies man, but he was really, really trying to court these beautiful rich women.

In fact, one of them right before Eliza showed up, happened to be her cousin. Yeah. I mean, I like, yeah, I know Eliza was not his first attempt at marrying into a, into a wealthy family because that's what he was moving up in the world was his whole bag. Yomp. So they meet, they're totally into each other. They're into each other.

He's sitting in her aunt's parlor drinking fucking gallons of tea. And her aunt was into it. Like she would go off and let them be together for a few minutes. Well, I mean. Unattended. Everyone said, he was a very impressive young man. You know, he was ambitious.

He was smart. He was, he was attractive. I mean, It's so funny because you look at the pictures of how delicate and pasty he looks, but, All of them are weird looking back then. They were gross. But, but by the day,

everyone talks about him being a really good looking and, and, and apparently just captivating to he had a very powerful personality. So he had become a fixture in Eliza's aunt's parlor. So Mariah Livingston, who had been Alexander's flame before Eliza came into town, but Mariah was all about it. She was cool with it. She was like, this is a good match. Let's see this.

Let's do it. So Eliza and Alexander were already exchanging notes and Eliza and Mariah Livingston were already plotting. So this is where we meet up with our musical 1780s, A Winter's Ball, and the Schuyler Sisters were the envy of all. We see Eliza fall helpless for Alexander Right and they start writing letters They ask her father for his hand in the song and the couple ends up with a wedding and this is condensed

But it's basically what happened after the ball the couple start officially courting Alexander wrote a letter of introduction to Peggy as a quote, great admirer of her sister, unquote. So befriending Eliza's family. Getting in with the family to make sure everybody liked him. Yeah.

Cause now granted during the winter's ball, Angelica came to visit and Angelica and Mariah like did her up for this party. They she put it in her. She called it her Marie and twin at quaff. She had her big old hair. Oh yeah. That's how you want to look like Marie Antoinette. Everything worked out great for her.

Yeah. Well, they wanted to look like her you know before. Fashion icon. Fashion icon Marie Antoinette. She because she was at the time. I mean shout out to maligned woman. Poor dead teenage girl. You want to talk about a fucking maligned woman. We can talk about Marie Antoinette. Given a quote that was not hers for shit that wasn't her fault. Oh yeah, I mean. She was just a literally just a kid. She was a scapegoat.

Just a kid, literally. So anyway. She was blamed for the failures of men. But cool enough that these chicks wanted to look just like her. Yeah, well, you know, they wanted her hairdo. And some of her hairdos were wild, but yeah, she had this big quofer. A big updo thing.

I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, there's a famous picture of her, which we'll talk about later, but she has her big old updo. And she had dark hair. If you look at it, she looks like a blonde, but it's just white powder, because that's what they would do.

They would powder their hair. I loved powder back then I don't know why why would you powder your hair to be white? It's so weird But any who and it's like even when we make movies and stuff We don't actually show that like just shit out of everything They probably and it's like they were wearing makeup, but it looked like paste These people look like ass. It was so weird. They were smelly as well.

Let's not talk about it. Okay. So they start basically dating and at the earliest opportunity, Alexander asked general Schuyler for permission to marry his daughter and he came, he was open and honest and came clean. He was like, Hey, this is my background these are my prospects and general Skyler was I guess cool with that now I got a bunch of daughters some of them will marry better but at least you're you'd be like I can I mean I can see why because it's like

yes he came from these humble beginnings but look at how far he had already risen he was like an impressive young man but since he was open and honest and the couple asked permission, they were granted IF, if big if, Eliza's mother approved. Because he was not going to step on the toes of Kitty Skyler. Because apparently the only thing General Skyler was afraid of was upsetting his wife. See why am I seeing Red and Kitty Foreman from that 70s show in my head now? As the Skyler parents? It's very funny but Kitty was really like competent as shit. Alex you cheated my daughter you hit my foot up your ass. Yeah no. So Kitty gave her blessing, but on the condition that Eliza had to go home

to prepare for a big society wedding. We only do this one way around here. Yes. I mean, and it's like the traditional like Dutch wedding cake. It's like had, it was basically a fruit cake and it was bathed in alcohol for months. Like it was literally like based in alcohol, covered. It took months to make, but that was their thing. Apparently you're gonna get hammered off this very fermented cake. I mean, I used to bake a booze soaked

and ripened fruit cake every year. So I know those can be very good. Yeah. And I'm sure with this, you know, bathed in alcohol plus fermented fruit, this wedding cake was going to get you lit as shit. Nice. All right. So.

So Eliza went home to prepare for the wedding and Alexander stayed with the army. And during the engagement, Alexander stayed with the army until right before their wedding, which took place on December 14th, 1780. The next song is Rewind. Yep, that's where we go back and according to that version, it was Angelica who met him first. And it was the, I mean, I know that it wasn't accurate,

but it was the musical's way of trying to establish the relation, the complicated relationship Hamilton had with his sister-in-law. Yeah, and I take issue with this. Okay. So it has Angelica toast the happy couple and the wedding song rewind, takes us back to the winter's ball.

And this time she tells a story and she falls in love with alexander that night Except for beyond icky. This is also wrong. I find that it also has a few false statements Let me break down each line. Okay Okay, that was angelica's goal Like nobody else had to give her anything. She as a young girl, she wanted to marry Rich. I mean, technically, she didn't say who gave her that job. She said it was her only job.

So far it checks out. And it's like her parents had seven children that lived to adulthood and she had three brothers So that was just bullshit. That was bullshit. Okay. It's like yeah, she was the oldest but Peggy was the wit He's kind of combined these two women into one woman into one woman Well, he's got and then from this moment on that's pretty much it. It's like Peggy takes on or Angelica takes on the role of both Angelica and Peggy. Well that's the whole as a writer I can easily separate the historical versus the adaptation like the whole point in the

musical is to show that she's the one who has the mind that can match him like like poor Eliza is just a dunce by comparison and she has a good heart, but she can't keep up with him the way, like these two can, once again she's like she met someone on her own level. Doesn't have anything to do with reality of the real woman, but like in the musical, that's her character. So yeah, he just smashed Peggy in there in order to give the woman that would seem like the best intellectual match for for Alexander

even if Eliza was the match for his heart. She sings on somewhat berating herself for her choice and giving him up and introducing him to Eliza which of course we know now is bullshit they already knew each other and surprise Angelica was already pregnant with two children at this point. Yup. And the song ends with Angelica's private thoughts. I want a piece of that. I'm pretty sure Angelica was just fine with her life. And she was already married. And I'll take you back to that because in 1776, Angelica met and fell in love with a mysterious British

born soldier, John Carter. Of Mars? So General Skyler disliked, distrusted and strongly disapproved of Mr. Carter and actually like just put his foot down and said no you are not gonna she didn't even want her associating so shot him in a cannon to Mars and he was never seen again yeah so in 1777 a possibly pregnant Angelica ran off and eloped with John Carter. When she was in Morristown, she was already a mom with two children. And Eliza had actually spent that time with Angelica

helping her birth her first two children. And then they were like, Eliza will never get a husband this way. So she was sent away from Angelica to Morristown to be with her aunt and uncle. And her uncle was the physician to General George Washington. So she had an in with that group. So after a brief honeymoon at the pastures, the couple returned to the army where Eliza joins Martha Washington's circle of matrons. And Eliza looked up to Martha and thought her to be the ideal woman. She was like, oh, she was just perfect.

This older, sophisticated, quiet... She had it together but didn't make a lot of noise. She was a force, but she was a quiet force. And Eliza really respected that, and that's who she wanted to be. She wanted to be a quiet force and Eliza really respected that and that's who she wanted to be. She wanted to be a quiet force. She didn't want to be noisy and... The next song with Eliza is Stay Alive and it shows Alexander on stage writing letters and Eliza reading those letters from the balcony, which again, the first time I saw it, I didn't

even notice her. But if you take a step back, you will notice she's above him with a spotlight, reading letters walking back and forth. And this is a great time to tell you that fucking letters were the most vexing and exasperating thing in these couples' relationships. Because Eliza could not write enough to fucking please him and he was always why won't you write more? Why won't you write more? He writes 5,000 words before breakfast. Yeah I mean he was just a fucking machine and so and she also she had poor spelling and She always felt like her letters were silly, especially compared to his so she had that in common with George Washington

She's a little self-conscious about her Yeah, and it's like I feel I feel that in common with George Washington. She was a little self-conscious about her lack of writing ability. I feel that in my soul because I am not a writer. In fact, I have a learning disability in writing and I'm dyslexic. So this whole thing was hard for me. So she was like, I don't fucking want to write a million letters. And I'm the Alexander Hamilton of this room. Yeah, I don't want to write a million letters.

Jesus Christ, I'm busy. He never understood't want to write a million letters. Jesus Christ. I'm busy. He never understood that she also had shit to do. So Eliza and her cousin, they hated writing so much and they also found their letters to be silly. So in solidarity after reading their letters, they would burn them so no one could find them. Because they didn't want to be found lacking. And lost to history now. Yeah. So in the next- I hope my embarrassing letters burn. Because they didn't want to be found lacking. And lost to history now. Yeah.

I hope my embarrassing letters burn. Yeah. So in the next scene we have Alexander coming home to a pregnant Eliza after a fight with Washington. It's like this fight didn't happen like it did on stage. Eliza wasn't even pregnant yet. Even though they did have the sort of falling out and coming back together again. I mean, it's like, I can see all the shit that was based off of at least my own

understanding, but Miranda didn't give a shit about the actual timeline or specific facts. He was just trying, this is all about vibes. Yeah. And I, because of that, I do love this song because of all of the songs in this musical, this is the song he really gets Eliza at her heart correct because this is a song about her just she just loved her husband that was that was all she was just a woman who loved her

husband and this showed a clear picture in the lyrics of who Eliza was she was sweet and she was strong and she was loving and she was kind the lyrics of who Eliza was. She was sweet and she was strong and she was loving and she was kind. The themes of their marriage were in this song through letters almost directly and neither went into their marriage blindly. They literally, they talked at length about what kind of life they would have because he told her it was like,

this is probably, you know, especially at the beginning, this is gonna be hard. He was living off of soldiers pay and a stipend, that was it. And she's like, I guess me having a rich family will have to come in handy somehow. Yeah. So, but Eliza wasn't afraid of hard times.

She was a soldier's daughter. She was a soldier's wife and a general's daughter. She took that very seriously. So was a soldier's daughter. She was a soldier's wife and a general's daughter. She took that very seriously. So she, she knew all about that. And she also probably knew too, that just through her family connections that her husband would have job prospects and opportunities that it was like, somehow we're going to make this work. Don't worry.

We're going to be fine. I'm rich. Yeah. So they, but he owns a bunch of slaves. We'd be fine. Yeah. So they, but. My family owns a bunch of slaves. We'd be fine. Yeah, we all right. So now they also discussed that Eliza needed to be a Roman wife. One that was willing to make sacrifices, not just a regular wife, but one that

was willing to take the dagger. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yes, I do. I mean, I've the American love of the way the Romans did things is well established. Yeah. But I do.

This is a song about enduring hardship and she could do it. She says, we don't need a legacy. We don't need money. Cause I got lots of it already. Yeah. So yeah, that was just who she was. That guy in the backyard works for free. So, unfortunately for Eliza,

the time spent, Alexander spent away from the army couldn't have been pleasant. In fact, it was probably shitty. That whole time sucked. That whole time sucked ass. So, cause Alexander was in a really bad mood. He had a loud fight. He gave Washington his resignation and they actually rented a house across the river from the army. Which yes, this was like Hamilton's his just absolute. He was so determined.

He does. He was, he had to have a command in Washington was like, I did not need you getting shot and need you working for me and here doing the actual important work. But Hamilton was such a climber. He's like, I need to have a command under my belt so I can make a name for myself. So that's why he got the shittiest little last minute thing where he had no chance of getting hurt. And it was just so sad.

I can't remember all the details now. It's been too long. But the details of Hamilton's one little engagement at the very, very end of the war is just so cute. Well, he wanted it so badly. Yeah, and finally, it's like, all right, fine. This whole thing's over badly. Yeah finally just like it's like alright fine it's this whole thing's over let's just get because that's literally what it was Washington finally gave it when he knew it was all done. He was like I'm going to

give him you a low-risk command just to get you what you want to give throw you the whole bone. Shut the fuck up. And he got it I mean it's a thing it's like you know the difference between Washington and Hamilton's background where it's like, Washington came from this very established family, even though he was the younger son of a second marriage and he was always trying to prove himself. So he related a bit to Hamilton. So he's like, I'll throw this kid a bone at the end because I love this kid.

He did love that kid. He loved that kid enough to not want him to die. They had a whole father son vibe. That's a whole nother story. Yeah. And Washington grew to love Eliza like a daughter. Yeah. No, they'll hold the families were very close.

They were extremely close, but not this moment. Alexander was all pissy. He was throwing a tantrum at the moment. He was throwing a tantrum. He was still quite young. Yes. He's younger than my son is right now. So at night he would go across the river to go drinking with the officers and he would

come back home quote late, he would come back late quote tipsy and amorous. So that's charming. So he goes drinking with his army buddies and comes home horny and drunk. And dutifully. But you know, once again, he's a guy in his early twenties. What are you going to do? Well and apparently the woman stayed, she was a kangaroo so she was into it. She was ready.

This is what we Dutch women do. Yes. We are human pez we just keep popping them out but anyway in the next song Alexander goes back and joins the army with his command finally gets his little he's all excited and he writes his little letters and I mean it's good for me it's like guess what no but Hamilton dude it's like Alex buddy. Nobody remembers you for that one little fucking battle.

Nobody cares. Nobody cared. But Eliza, she goes off stage and now what she did in actuality was she went home to the pastures and she brought her best friend with her, who was also like her husband was friends with Alexander in the army. So Marie Charlotte Antle and Eliza joined pregnant Angelica at the pastures to be safe with her family. So the family is all gathering together at the end of the war. Yep.

And they thought that the pastures would be the safest place for her. And during this time, Eliza found out she was pregnant and she wrote to him. So it was an actual letter that he wrote, but he could not have been more fucking thrilled. His letters were so fucking just fast and furious. And it's like, did you have time to do anything else to write letters?

You're having a war heroes kid. Yeah. So excited. So, but they unfortunately overestimated how safe the pastures were. General Skyler was betrayed by his Mohawk mistress, Mary Hill. Whoops. Yep. And the house.

That's what you get for trusting your Mohawk mistress. Yep. And the house had been on edge even before the wedding. See, it's still, hold on. It's like just the fact that that was just an aside. Oh, just betrayed by his Mohawk mistress. Like, wait, that's a whole nother funny story.

Yeah, wait, let's get back to that. I know, we don't have to dwell on that. That was even a footnote just in her biography. I just have to pause for a second to reflect on the fact that her father had a Mohawk mistress. Yes. Okay, let's move on. Yeah, and we know who her, we know everything down to her name, but they still, that was it. It was like, now I want to read General Skyler's. We need the story of her, the Mohawk mistress.

Yeah. When, when Kitty found out, what did she do to him? Cause that bitch was feisty. But, uh, so the, they were betrayed and one particular day, the house got raided. And so they all, the whole family ushered up to an upstairs room and Kitty realized that she had left her infant daughter downstairs sleeping in her bassinet. So without skipping a beat or blinking an eye, Peggy rushes downstairs, grabs the baby and starts to go back upstairs. And she was stopped by a flying tomahawk, pinning her to the railing. Yikes. Yeah. Pretending to like gut her, the dress or something.

He did. He got her dress. That's how close he was to hitting her. Damn, well that's, yeah. And even then, Peggy kept her cool because the officer came and asked for her master. And so, not realizing that she was the General's daughter, she just rolled with it and was like, the master's out gathering forces and so they were like oh shit

so general skyler hearing what was going on downstairs starts yelling out the window so now they think that reinforcements are coming just pulling some bullshit yeah and so they fucking they took off with just some silverware and pegi pinned with her with her sister to the railing. They're convinced that the cavalry is coming. So they were convinced the cavalry was coming and booked it. So the Schuyler family was actually saved by Peggy from being captured. I can't, the power of bullshit wins yet again. Yes.

And the fact that she was able to do it while I mean because it was like facing death. Yeah no that's a hardcore situation you get a tomahawk pinning you against the wall like. And she was just like no he's not here. Holding the baby. So. Sorry dude I'm not the one you want to kill. Yeah so I mean but that was. Dad's yelling at the window alright boys let's get him. Mm-hmm. That's hilarious Yes, God, it's always it's always stupider in real life. Yeah, the new scenes Yeah, so they only people they captured were the two soldiers out front keep and watch and a little bit of silverware and things Good for you. Yeah. Yeah, so young as bastards

So young unmarried Peggy saves her entire family from capture or slaughter. Yeah, so far Peggy seems like the coolest of the three chicks. Peggy is the coolest. I mean, honestly, it's like, I really just... Peggy, the musical needs to come next or maybe action movie. Peggy was fun. She needs to be the hero in the new Predator. Okay, so while pregnant, Eliza had another worry outside the normal baby worries. And I'm going to quote from the book, quote, when camp fever took Martha Washington's

son at Yorktown, his 25 year old widow not only lost her husband, but custody of their two children. The law was not a friend to young widows, even widows to daughters of wealthy families. Even for those lucky few, children in estates passed to fathers and uncles, sons and brothers. For impoverished widows and children, Eliza shuddered to think of the desperate reality of penury in the poor house. If something happened to Alexander, Eliza would not get to make decisions on how to raise the baby now growing inside her. Someday someone would need to do something about it. No one yet

had any inkling herself included that someday this someone would be Eliza. Oh, foreshadowing. Yeah. So back to our musical we have reached. History has its eyes on you. George Washington sings to Alexander. I was younger than you are now. When I was given my first command. I led my men straight into a massacre. I witnessed their deaths firsthand. I sang that very line. Yep, so shout out to our first episode. Yeah, cause George Washington really fucked up when he was young.

Got a bunch of people killed. Yeah, he did. Well, apparently he was sad about it. So that's good. So if you haven't listened, you can go back to listen to Oh George, cause that's fun stuff. Yeah, listening to... Fort Necessity. Fort Necessity. Everybody. Yeah. Everybody having their death party in Fort Necessity because Washington was going to get everybody killed. Yup.

Yup. So yeah. Anyway, we go back to the Battle of Yorktown and now granted, this is a cool scene. I do like how it was done and it manages to get little historical details and things kind of jammed in there which was fun. My favorite being the drinking song, The World Turned Upside Down, which was a real thing. The world turned upside down. The world turned upside down. The world turned upside down. Down, down.

They actually, it was a drinking song and it was converted to like their, I guess their defeat song for the British. And I was like that's pretty cool so yeah America wins yay now well I mean I'm for it yeah I'm still for it although I'd still like healthcare that'd be neat they didn't have it back then though so they didn't have shit back then yeah you didn't want healthcare back then I'm cool with not, you know, with fighting the crown, yeah. So after the battle, Alexander joins Eliza in Albany to recuperate because the one thing that they don't mention

in the musical is he was fucking always sick. He was always, he's sick over and over again, like when he's out on campaign. He had malaria that he contracted when he was young in the West Indies and it just came back like every summer. So he was constantly battling being sick. The whole time he was a soldier, he was laid up all the time. A lot of soldiers were just because of the conditions.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like we never emphasize just how much rolling sickness, you know, not like the cold and flu season, but like waves of just what we would consider plagues. And that was just like, no, that's just the time of year. And armies of course would just get laid low by illnesses, just like knocking everybody out. I mean, summer was so bad that a lot of times they didn't even fight in summer. They would just all go back to their camps and wait.

Well he had a lot of like resolve, but he had a weekly little constitution. So yeah, he was constantly sick. But of course Washington had empathy because of course he was famous for, you know, as previously discussed coming off of being a month of Shitting himself to death and riding around in his hemorrhoid pillow. God damn Washington was a monster He really was a monster of a human. I mean you have to be impressed You don't have to like him, but you got to be impressed. He was something else Yeah, so they went back to well

They had a little cottage on her parents estate and she gave birth to her first son named Philip after her father. One of the other Phillips, but not the general. One of the other Phillips, because Angelica also named her first son Philip. Yeah, every sucking up to the old man to get all the money in the will. Yup, yup, yup. So Alexander worked as a tax collector while studying to be a lawyer. And side note, Aaron Burr was also studying to be a lawyer and he was also using the

Schuyler Library, so these two men were actually like they were acquainted. Yeah, they were both in the army at the same time. Yeah, but especially during this point because they were studying to be lawyers together. And then so we get to nonstop and a lot lot happens in the song so we'll break it down Alexander works as a lawyer in Albany until he goes off to Philadelphia to join the Continental Congress he also sees Angelica off to London and Angelica and her husband

she married her rich dude she married her rich dude and now Angelica married John Carter who ended up actually being John Barker Church. John's father died when John was young and his uncle John Barker became his guardian which again, and they don't even mention this really in the book, it's just a footnote later but his mom was still alive.

She doesn't get to be his guardian. His legal guardian is. Yeah. Cause women can't have women making decisions about decisions. So his uncle sent him off to work in this, the trading house of this wealthy merchant. And also it was like, go do this boring work and also go get well acquainted with this boring ass girl And so John being he was bored and so he started gambling and he started gambling heavily

Unfortunately, he was gambling with his uncle's business account. Whoops. Yep So while partying and gambling John ran up a debt of ten Thousand pounds which is is 1.5 million in today's money. Jesus. He was able to give him a lot of credit. And so- Don't worry, I'm good for it.

That's going to win the next hand. Yep. And so his uncle, in order to repay him, was going to force him to marry the merchant's daughter. Yep. And so John also at this time got in a duel about something. repay him was going to force him to and his uncle wouldn't let him be a soldier. So he left. Never mind that yeah, he literally, he didn't just leave, he fled. Oh, that's amazing. Tail tucked. And so he married Angelica and he married Angelica against her father's wishes. And then once they were married, started running up huge fucking tabs that were he was just like

I would just bill it to the general. My father-in-law is gonna love it when he gets this bill for this. So not only was John just yeah he was kind of a consistent piece of shit. So Philip Schuyler hated this guy. Yeah but during the war he actually did manage to turn things around and made a lot of money. So he decided that he wanted to go back to London and repay off his debts and start using his real name. So Angelica went from being Mrs. Carter to being Mrs. Church. And so I want to say Alexander was actually in Philadelphia and he was trying to travel back to Albany to be with his wife and kids. And he was also escorting Kitty Schuyler. And she kept making all these stops.

So it was really annoying, but one of the stops they made was in New York City to go see off Angelica. So he was personally there to see her off, but not because he was in love with her, but because mom wanted to see her one last time before she traveled across the seas. So not quite the lovey-dovey. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I did read some of the correspondence that

Survived between the two of them and and even then some of the stuff that she wrote Angelica wrote to her sister It did seem like there was a certain like at least flirtatiousness Relationship but at the same time that's who Angelica was they were all terrible flirts and She was used to it because Angelica was a flirt and Peggy was a flirt. Well, I know once she got over to Europe. And Hamilton was a terrible flirt. And yeah, and once Angelica got to Europe, it went from bad to scandalous.

Yeah, I mean I know Jefferson was trying to hook up with her. He wrote to her to meet him without her husband more than once. Yeah, well they kind of had an open marriage a little bit. They were very European That's how it was just what they were, you know, and you didn't marry for love in the aristocracy you married For but power more power and more wealth. She did marry him for love But she did so I'm sure that might have been a little bit of a shocker to her now that you got money I guess we can have this more sophisticated relationship. And Angelica did get what she wants because she was really into politics and eventually

he joined the House of Burgesses. And granted, she also thought that British politics were a lot more boring than the exciting new American politics. Where things were revolutionary. Yeah, exactly. So the fact that Angelica sings, he's not a lot of fun, that wouldn't have been accurate at all. John was probably too much fun. He was a lot of fun. I was sore at his issue. Just ask all my other girlfriends how much fun it is. So he was a partier and a heavy gambler and she went off to Europe.

Around this time, Peggy also ran off and eloped against her father's permission. He's just not having luck with these girls listening to him. No. In fact, Eliza alone was the only one to marry with her father's permission of all the daughters She was the only one every single one ran off starting with angelica It's a revolutionary Period where everybody's like you don't have to disobey the daddy figure now granted they didn't disapprove of who

Peggy was going to marry. It was the fact that they kind of, he was younger and they thought he was too young to be married. He needed to wait a few years. But Peggy was getting on and was not gonna, she was not gonna take her chances. She's like, I'm getting a little long in the tooth, mom and dad, I'm going for it.

Yeah, and- I wish a young one would stud. Yup, so Peggy ran off one night with the patron Stephen von Rensselaer. Now I'm gonna quote from the book, quote, Stephen van Rensselaer was a scrawny young man. He had high dark eyebrows, a long thin nose, friendly eyes, an easy laugh, and extremely deep pockets. His fortune still ranks today, centuries later,

as one of the largest ever in American history." So yeah, Peggy wasn't taking her chances on this one. She hopped out a window and ran. This one's mine. Yeah, and you know what? In my opinion, her and her husband actually had a really good marriage. They were really rich.

They were really happy. She was a lot of fun. Good for her. Yeah. Sounds pretty cool. Yeah. They were like, Oh, he's young. And she was like, I'm not.

Fuck you. So Peggy B and Peggy did what the fuck she wanted. And I love her for it. Okay. So we end to act one with Alexander being asked to join Washington's cabinet and becoming Secretary of Treasury Eliza singing isn't this enough and of course it is it is not And so he sings back dramatically In act one, I don't want to be it's just some lawyer I want to matter

I don't want to be some lawyer. I want to matter. I want to matter. So in between this time, Eliza gives birth to her second child, a daughter named for her favorite sister Angelica, on September 25th, 1784. And Alexander and Eliza move to Philadelphia to join Washington and report to work at the Treasury. So ending Act 1, we'll also end Part 1 of the Eliza Hamilton story, but guess what you guys, we will be back next week for act two. For act two, part two, where Bambi is gonna tell us all, hopefully all the shit that Eliza Hamilton did during and after her husband's death. Yeah. Because he was, she was alive for a really long fucking time after he was gone. Yeah, I mean she was literally Under yeah, she was under half her lifetime

when Alexander died a lot more of her life without him than with him. Yeah, so actually it's like act two is probably Longer than I want that's where them cuz she was at this point. We are ending with her in her 20s. Excellent. All right well that's where we're gonna end things for now but we'll be back. Be sure to go to chainsawhistory.com to check out all of our regular episodes and other bonus content like the value of series where Bambi reads me children's books from the 1980s and I forced her to go along the life of Indiana Jones in our series called no time for love. Dr

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