Chambers of the Occult - EP# 40 A Ride to Resurrection Cemetery: Resurrection Mary

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Send us a textThis week on Chambers of the Occult, we welcome back Brent from Chillworthy for a paranormal crossover filled with haunted roads, vanishing passengers, and one very mysterious light.This time, J takes the wheel and guides us through the enduring urban legend of Resurrection Mary, Illinois infamous hitchhiking ghost said to roam Archer Avenue after nights of dancing, only to disappear as cars approach Resurrection Cemetery. For nearly a century, drivers have reported picking up a quiet young woman in a white dress who asks for a ride… and then vanishes without a trace.Together, we dig into the layers of this chilling folklore:The 1930s origins of the legend and the mysterious dancer who never made it home.Real-life encounters from drivers who claim Mary rode in their backseat before disappearing.The eerie cemetery gates said to bear scorched handprints.How the legend evolved through the decades, even keeping up with fashion.But the night doesn’t end there. Brent shares his own personal paranormal experience: a strange bluish-white light that floated through his bedroom like something out of a fairy tale… only to reappear a year later, witnessed by his sister and grandmother. Was it a spirit? A fae-like presence? Or something we can’t quite explain?Together, we explore why local legends like Resurrection Mary endure, how folklore shapes the places we live, and whether we’d actually stop to give a ghost a ride if we saw one on the side of the road.It starts with a dance, a dark road, and a ride home… but some passengers never truly leave.Turn down the lights, stay curious, and join us for a night of haunted highways and unexplained encounters.

Chambers of the Occult may contain content that might not be suitable for all listeners. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to Chambers of the Occult. I'm Jay. And I'm Brent. Yeah, we got Brent today from Chillworthy. Yes. Now, you might recognize his voice because he has been here before.

I have. Yeah. Now, you are just one of two, aren't you? Yes. And yes, the other half of me did say she's like, well, keep in mind for future references. We come as a pair. And I said, you know, you are correct. You are correct.

It's just it's 8.30 where I am and that's almost her bedtime. So. I do remember that. Exactly. Yes. Yeah, you do remember that. So, so yeah, Talia does give her regards. and all of that good stuff.

But I'm here, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, ready to participate. Great, yeah. I'm glad she's getting her eight hours of sleep. Who knows if she is, you know, like, maybe she is, maybe she isn't. Maybe she, like, wakes up really early. She is an early riser, but she's an early better. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. So I wasn't sure whether I wanted to give you. you a paranormal story or a true crime story. And then I was realizing that for the last time that we had you and Talia on, we covered a true crime story with you. So this time I have a paranormal story for you. Okay. And for this one, I mean, we've all heard of the stories of Bloody Mary.

I am not talking, though. Oh, wow. No, no, no. However, I am talking about another Mary. Okay. Have you ever heard of Resurrection Mary? No. Okay.

But I don't know if it's just maybe because I haven't heard her called that, but I'm wondering if I do know who you're talking about. But I might. I don't know. The reason I had that reaction to you was Talia knows how I feel about blanks. Mary. I'm not even going to say her name. Not a fan of that story. And she did an episode of that, but she was very respectful to me about not using her name multiple times, blah, blah, blah. Because, you know, we do this in my house. And I was like, I don't want that S-H-I-T in here.

Uh-huh. So when you, I was like, oh, my God. But, okay, we're good. Yeah, we're not talking about her. Okay, wonderful. I'm happy to listen about resurrection, Mary. Yes. So this is a legend. So this is a legend from the, it originates in like the 1920, 1930s. Okay. And it's a story from like Chicago Archer Avenue. And the story goes that Mary was a young dancer.

And after a night in the city of Henry Ballroom, in Willow Springs, a quarrel sent her storming out into a dark and rainy night. The legend tells that Mary was dressed in a white dancing dress and shoes. She was walking home alone on Archer Avenue when she was struck by a car and killed in a hit and run. Okay, I've never heard this, by the way. Thinking of another person, so...

Got it. Another Mary. Yeah. Yes. There is... Mary is a very common number, especially when it comes to, like, cases. Yes. Now, because this was a hit and run, there was no one really to, like, bring her justice. The driver just fled. Once again, this was, like, the 1920, 1930s.

and Mary was late to rest in Resurrection Cemetery in Justice Illinois. Okay. The very cemetery that would later lend her name into the legend. So now here's where it gets spooky. Because drivers cruising northeast on Archer Avenue between the old ballroom and resurrection cemetery report picking up a pale young woman in a white gown. She's quiet, some would describe her as ethereal, and then she vanishes as the car nears the cemetery gates.

I see. The typical story of a lady in white. Right, right, right. And she disappears. This is very like, are you afraid of the dark, circa 1990s for me? Mm-hmm. Feeling.

So this could be, you know, like the original story, it could be one of those many stories out there of ladies in white. Yes. And researchers have long described Mary as a young, fashionable blonde in a white ball gown. She will slip into the back sea after a night of dancing, and she guides the drivers towards Resurrection Cemetery. So apparently that's like her ultimate destination. By the time that the car reaches the cemetery, Mary obviously is gone. And some ghost hunters take this a little bit more literal. Because according to the Chicago Tribune reports,

full-time ghost hunter, Richard Crowey, logged around three dozen subs, this word, He logged around three dozen Mary sightings From the 1930s to today How many did you say? Three dozen? Three dozen. So 36.

Yeah. So when you say this, are you saying on the road or she's hopping in his truck? No, no. So this full-time ghost hunter, he did some research from the 1930s till today. And he was able to find 30s. six sightings through the years.

Oh, fine. Okay. Yeah. So they all pointed to like the same sightings, the same apparition, the same avenue. So it kind of became a very well-known legend in this area. And one of the early sightings came from a man named Jerry Paulus. This was in 1939. So it happened because Jerry was in the Liberty Grove ballroom on Chicago's south side. He was there with some friends.

And he was just dancing with a mysterious lady that night. He said her name was Mary, as he learned. He asked her where she lived. She gave him an address on Damon Avenue in Chicago's back of the yards. And then at the end of that evening, Mary did something odd. She asked Jerry to drive her up to Archer Avenue, away from the neighborhood. So Jerry was obliged. And as they were approaching the cemetery, that's when Mary suddenly demanded,

here, here, and she got out. That's when Jerry later said that he looked back at the car door, and that's when he realized that she had just vanished. Like, the door did not open, like she was just gone from the backseat. Doornut wasn't open. It's like she was never in the backseat. Yeah. Now, something that comes to mind for me here.

did he not find it peculiar that she got into the backseat? Oh, actually, that's a great question. Now, wait, you also said this was the 1930s? Yes. Okay, I mean, maybe, maybe, I'm thinking if we go by like... 1939. Okay, but I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, but I'm thinking if we go by like the standards of like gentlemen and ladies and stuff, maybe he opened the back.

back door for her in the beginning, you know, as like, I will drive you home and it wasn't like she was going to sit in the front seat. So maybe it's not as unusual as I'm thinking. I suppose that there could have been some something to be like a little bit of chivalrous. Yes, yes. They danced all night. They exchanged pleasantries and ask for a ride. Yep, get in the back seat. Yeah. Okay. All right. That makes a little bit more sense. Yeah. We'll go. the next day Jerry went to the

damon address that he received from Mary and an older woman opened up the door and she said that we had a daughter named Mary but she died five years ago that's when Jerry realized that the picture on the mantelpiece in the house looked exactly like the picture

will look exactly like the Mary that he had met that previous night. Mm-hmm, uh-huh. He told the woman that opened the door and that that was her daughter and that Mary had died years earlier. So, Jerry got to go to that house, the address, and got that confirmation that, oh, I gave your dead daughter a right last night. Yeah. Other than that, yeah. I mean, essentially, he danced with the ghost. That's probably one of those creepy encounters

that kind of launch Resurrection Mary into the spotlight. But, of course, that was pretty much where, like, the story started because it doesn't end. If we fast forward to 1979, a Chicago cab driver named Ralph was cruising on a snowy night after dropping off a fair when he saw a pretty blonde in a white disco-style dress hitchhiking on Archer Road. She got in, said very little, and at one point she muttered, the snow came earlier this year,

and nothing else. As they near the cemetery, she suddenly insisted he stopped and let her out. Ralph looked There was no houses Nothing That's when he turned back to the back seat And she was gone So she's still hanging out in the back Yep

And now I did notice you told me Now she's in a different kind of dress Well it's still that white dress Okay yeah But he described it as a white disco style dress Right so one would imagine She's keeping up with the times a little bit Yeah

okay and and also hey I would say for a for a ghost I feel like that's smart you know because if blend in yes if somebody's in a ball gown like Cinderella ask ballgown in the 1970s that doesn't make a lot of sense so if she wants to keep getting these rides and stuff she's got to you know keep up with the times absolutely She might be dead, but her fashion, her sense of fashion isn't. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. She is slaying all those.

This originated in the 1920s, 1930s, and then 1979. Yeah, she's where, it's still white, but it's now described as a disco-style dress. Yeah. And also, this makes a lot more sense because this was a cab, so it makes more sense that she's going to be on the backseat for this one. Oh, fine. All right, yeah, that one's fine. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, they get closer to the cemetery.

He turns around. She's gone. Yes. So this tale about the Ralph, the cab driver, was picked up by a columnist Bill Geist. So based on the details on Ralph's story, Geist, mused that story. And he made it sound like the cabby had given Resurrection Mary a Lyft. but apparently she kind of I don't know what I wrote here

yeah but yeah the columnist just wrote the story yeah the cabby Ralph said that he picked up the girl yeah the columnist got word of it and he wrote it into the column yeah and Ralph's story as we talked about it was far from unique because that full-time ghost hunter

had three dozen cases There has been countless sightings on Archer Avenue from the 70s through the 80s, and now I'm actually very curious if her dresses keep changing with the house. In the 1980s, a couple named Claire and Mark were driving near the cemetery when they spotted a bright, glowing blonde, walking very slowly on the roadside. At this point, the legend had been spread far and wide in the town. that Claire was sure that it was resurrection Mary, and she felt uneasy. Fair.

So they turned around to get a second look as they drove by, and Mary was gone. Mark even said that the figure's face was completely blank, like just a blank void, no facial features at all. But Mary didn't get in their car. Could be because there was two of them in the car. We don't know. Okay.

And then there's a story in 1989. When a woman named Janet was driving with a friend, also along Archer Road outside of the cemetery, when suddenly Janet felt a thump. And she swore she saw a young woman had run in front of her car. but there was nothing. No damage in front of the car, no skid marks. She insisted, I know I hit someone outside. I know I hit someone.

And her friend later realized that this might be the very same Mary because her dad used to tell her the story from 1939. So this was almost like 50 years later where the kid remembered that my dad used to tell me this story when I was little, and now I'm on the road and my friend thinks they hit something.

This could have been Mary. Yeah, that's creepy. Dare I say chillworthy. And then in August 1976, police were called to Resurrection Cemetery after a couple reports of a woman trapped behind the gates.

Because when the officers arrived and they found something bizarre. Two of the heavy iron gates were bent apart. There were burn handprint shape marks left onto the metal. Okay. And an investigator named. Dale. I'm going to butcher this name. That's fine. I do it all the time.

Casimir. Sorry, Dale. He was a big name in Chicago Ghost Hunting, so I'm sorry, Dale. He later showed TV reporters this twisted bars, and he said that the curves look like big handprints,

even with, like, fingerprint impressions. like scorched onto the gates. And of course, cemetery officials blamed a delivery truck, but the ghosts, like hunters and people that believed all that stuff, believed that it was resurrectionary.

Right. Well, now I have heard that ghosts are burned by iron, keeping up. So that seems to be on brand. It does. I have another thought, if you don't mind. Now, this is going way, way, way back to your first story. Mm-hmm.

Do you think as a parent, do you think you would find comfort in this or distress in this concept? Like your child got hit by a car, they are, you know, they are passed away, like, that kind of thing. and then every once in a while we're not talking like every Saturday night at 10 p.m. But every once in a while somebody is coming to the door being like oh you know is Mary here or I dropped Mary off here I just didn't she seemed a little off

Oh like do you think that that would be comforting like she's still around or do you feel like as a parent you would be distressed like oh my God I hate this Like from the parents point of view Yes I feel like or like when it first happens, I feel like the parent, I wouldn't say that the parent finds that comforting, but of course, the parent would find it very emotional.

Oh, yeah. You're a stranger. Like, how do you know, Mary? You know, they would try to come to, like, terms of, like, oh, and, like, of course, I feel like there would be, like, my child is not at peace. Yeah, I was thinking, I guess I was thinking from the lens of, like, well, they're still around. But I do understand what you mean by not being at peace also. Yeah.

But something do, I guess, think about. I also feel like the parents, I don't know. Because especially with a story like this for Resurrection Mary, the story just keeps growing and growing. I feel like at some point, like the parents would just, I wouldn't say, like, resent the story or, like, resent the public. But they're tired. I think they would grow tired of it.

Of course, I feel like they would probably have something similar to a no soliciting. But no, Mary's not here. And, you know, you gave our daughter a ride and she's a ghost. Yeah. No? Thanks for stopping by. Yeah. I wonder if at some point, like, they're just, they would just be used to opening the door and just explaining, you know, to strangers before, like, the stranger could even ask.

for Mary. Oh, yeah. Like, they open the door, they see a stranger, and they're like, Mary's not here. She died, like, five years ago, 10 years ago. Yes. You know, and, like, the stranger doesn't even get a word out or something. Well, hopefully it wasn't overly distressing for them, because that would suck. Yeah. That's a good point. Like, I never thought of that.

Yeah, but unfortunately, her story just kept on growing. Ghost researchers just kept cataloging sightings of her. One instance, a note in the late August of 1980 said that Mary was cited in Archer Avenue, like always, by a man that approached her and told her, you look like resurrection Mary, but I know there's no such things. I see. And when he passed the cemetery, she was gone.

So, you know, I guess he was just thinking someone was trying to play a prank on him, you know, like kids nowadays. Like this kids. And then as he got closer to the cemetery, he's like, oh, like, no, never mind. That was a ghost. And now, in 2026, reports have slowed down. I wouldn't say that Mary has completely disappeared from the legends, but she has kind of changed where she haunts, because she's kind of now in like pop culture, you know?

Yeah. Chicago's history buffs note that Mary has inspired ballards, B-list horror films, and TV segments. on one TV show, even Arthur C. Clarke himself covered the legend. And then Clark basically questioned the validity of all the sightings, even though he admitted that the tale had captured the public's imagination. And Mary has a bit of a drinking buddy, too. Oh. Talia would like that.

What is that? Would she? Oh, yeah. Who is it? Okay, so on Archer Avenue, right across from Resurrection Cemetery, there is a tavern called Chet's Melody Lounge. Every Sunday, they leave a bloody merry drink at an empty bar seat at the bar. Oh. It's like a not to marry.

but to date she hasn't shown up to claim the cocktail. So like... I do like that. No, I like that. That's, you know, it's a controlled environment. You're not just alone with her in a car, you know, but yeah, I could get behind that concept. It's kind of like a we... She doesn't show up here, but if she ever does, here's a little something for you.

Yes. Yes. Hearing these stories, I will say, I mean, I don't have a lot of, you know, experience firsthand with the supernatural. But I think that if I were to be brave enough to want to have some type of experience, I think I could, I think I could get behind the concept of. just getting into a car where I know that I'm going to be driving down a road where I may or may not see a ghost walking alongside it. I think I would be okay with that. Like I'm not saying I want to give anybody a ride or anything like that, but just just the pure curiosity of would I see something as I'm driving down this road. I think I could I think that would be all right with me.

Okay. I feel like I have heard so many tells of things like this that I am so programmed to just think anything or anyone on the side of the road is a ghost. All right. Which, you know, I know realistically, like, most of the time it's going to be a life person or, you know, something else, like an animal. Yeah. But I'm just prepared for the one time that it's not. No, yeah, that's fair. But yeah, so what do we make of Mary? There's two theories of whom Mary was in real life.

She could have been Mary Brogovey, a 21-year-old woman who died in a car crash in 1934. Or she could have been... Anna Marija Norcas who was killed in 1927 Unfortunately where did this

names come from I don't know when I look at Resurrection Mary there has been a lot of names that just come up with theories of

like who Mary was yeah but there's a few names out there unfortunately of women who had tragic death who people think could be Resurrection Mary. Right.

Maybe that's why one of them was wearing a white disco dress. But yeah, that is the tale of Restoration Mary. And if she's still out there, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before she takes, hitches a ride on someone else's car. Yeah. Well, I'm not in that state, so not mine, but. Same. But would you do that?

Like, if I knew it was like a haunted road, like, there was sightings of a lady in white, would I drive down that road on purpose? Not just that, but would you be like, oh, there she is. Come on in. That's what I want to know. Okay. If I knew that the legend. in town revolved around her just getting in the car

and like vanishing like there was nothing else happening between before or after. Yeah. I would. Like nothing malicious. Exactly. Yeah.

Nothing like the car swerved or like an accident happened or like lifelacking people's eyes. If it was just like Resurrection Mary just like this case right here, I probably would. Okay Just to test it out

You know, like I'm sure that once I'm driving down that road Like I would probably like Be able to like hear my heart beating And as soon as I like Made it past the road And didn't see a resurrection Mary

I'm like I'm not going back through that road Okay Okay Until you know Maybe like a year or a couple months after And then give it another shot But I wouldn't be going down it like daily hoping to see

Resurrection Mary. Yeah, yeah, okay. All right, that's fair. Yourself? No. Okay. Like I said, I would go down the road. I'd go down the road.

I keep whenever now, I keep saying, like, keep thinking in my head, like, down, down, down the road. Anyway. Now you're good. I would go down the road, but I'm not looking to invite anybody into the car. Mm-hmm. you know, or whatever. I also think that it would be fun to go down the road with friends.

That would be fine. That would be fine. She ever gets in the car with people. Yeah, well, see, and then this is my other question when it comes to that. Okay, you're saying it doesn't seem like she gets in the car with people, but from every story you've told, the person has stopped to either take her home or ask her if she needs a ride. So, like, I...

So I don't know if are there instances where she just instantaneously pops into the backseat? Because if that's the case, I'm not driving down the road. Okay. If I have to look in the rearview mirror thinking maybe she's going to be hanging out back there, even if she's not ghostly creepy, you know, I don't know. Do you think people are kind of like compelled to stop and offer her a ride? Maybe. Because I feel like that could throw like a whole wrench in there and just change the story.

Right. I feel like that too. I would still go down the road. I'm very much of like, as long as nothing malicious happens, I'm willing to give it a shot. Okay. Well, so be it. Yeah. But that's all I have for you today.

Okay. What did you think of it? Yeah. I mean, I think that those stories are way, I think those are like universal type of stories. Like, I think that every state probably has a situation close to that. You know, like, I know it's, I know it's usually like a pretty girl. I wouldn't mind a sexy guy once in a while. I don't know, like a Chris Hemsworth type, maybe.

Maybe then I would say, all right, well, just fine. Maybe there are stories like that out there. We just don't hear of them as much. Yeah. And of course, in this day and age, I feel like it's a lot, lot, lot, lot less common that somebody, regardless of how attractive they might be, would pick up a guy on the side of the road versus a girl. I mean, a girl's going to have a better shot.

I mean, yeah, we also know that most people would pick the bear rather than the man in the woods. Yes, yeah, definitely, definitely. So there's no way that anyone's going to stop for a man on the set of the room. Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're right, yeah, now that you, yeah. So, but yeah, I feel like it's definitely, like I said, it's, I just feel like there's, like, these universal, which I think are cute, these little, you know, areas that have their own little folklore things. I'm like, I'm researching one for our show where it's this, I'm trying to think how to explain it.

Like, when I was little, so like my dad's side of the family is from a town about 35 minutes away, and it's a tiny little town. and to get to it, you have to go in between a, you go through like a valley, like there's mountains on both sides. And you, you drive up next to the river, which has cut through the mountains.

And this little town then is kind of like nestled right on the other side of that. And there is this, um, it's not as large as the mountains, but it is, it's a very, I don't know, it's made of red shale, if you know what that is.

No. Like, it's a special kind of stone. Okay. So the mountain is red. But like I said, it's not like a huge mountain, but it's definitely high up there. And there's a house that's built on it. And when I was little, my great grandmother used to say that at midnight a man without a head would walk around. on this hill and I have never forgotten hearing this.

And so I recently did look it up and look into it. And there is a story about a guy and I don't have the details like, you know, I'm not prepared to throw it out there. But there is a man who, he, you know, was a well-to-do person. he lived like he he he built that house on this hill and then he went off to like i want to say the civil war and he uh i think he became decapitated and obviously was sent back to get buried and stuff and that's how this uh you know people now say that he like these sightings of him uh no you know what i think he died in the war he he was buried and so

Someone for some unknown reason, I think this is what happened, someone for some unknown reason, went to his grave and decapitated him. Oh. So his head ended up missing. Yeah. And hence, he's always looking for his head. Now, you know, but that's like a very, very local legend. Yes. For us.

So, you know, but that's why, I mean, I feel like that kind of stuff is cool. I mean. Yeah. I feel like I like stories like. that because I feel like depending on where you look, there's going to be those local legends. And there might be similarities between places, but they're all going to have their differences. Right.

Now, one more thing, and you let me know, like, I don't know how long you want this episode to go. Yeah, yeah. What's up? Okay. But you, well, you told me that you were going to have personalized. paranormal stories. Yes.

Right? So like, do we have time for me to tell one of those? Actually, yeah. Do you want to do that? Okay. Well, yeah.

I mean, it's not a long one, but it's something that is, has never left me. And it's really my only paranormal story, but I mean, it's fascinating. I wouldn't say chillworthy, but it's fascinating. Okay.

Fascinating. So, you know, and then maybe one of your listeners has experienced, the same thing and could tell you what they think it is and then they could tell me or you could tell me. Yes. So this was the year that I graduated high school.

So obviously I still lived with my parents and whatever. So this was also around the time where Harry Potter was huge and I was reading them, you know, feverishly. And I remember it also happened to be the same day of my graduation party. So

it was like summer. And it was, this is how much I remember of it. It was 1153 on the clock. PM, everyone. And so I'm in bed and I'm reading

one of the Harry Potter books and I'm, I just finished like for the night or whatever. And I'm going to go to sleep. I turn off the lights and

I am laying there and the way my room was at home was that it was a square but the closet instead of going out of the room like being built out it was built into a corner so like

I had like three normal corners and then the last corner like the closet bumped into the room instead of bumping out of the room. Okay. So like there was one wall that was shorter than all the other walls

because the closet was in the room. Not that this doesn't matter that much, but my point was my bed was in the nook of the short little wall. So, okay, whatever. But from this corner where the closet bumped out, this, I can only describe,

it as a light. I mean, that was it. This little tiny, dare I even say cute, light. Like, this is not a scary story. It's kind of like, actually, I have a crystal here. It was like this big, right? Okay, in size, yeah. Yes.

So as dumb as it sounds, I'm thinking like Tinkerbell, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. So it was an orb like this, except, it looked like when you squint at a Christmas light and how it has all of those striations coming off of it. Yeah. Okay.

Like, yeah, I know what you mean. Yes. So that's what this thing looked like. And at first, I'm like, oh, a firefly got in. That's exactly, you know, like a lightning bug. Now, you guys have them in California, right? We don't. Oh, okay.

Well, we have them here. they're adorable, you know, whatever. I quickly came to realize this is not a lightning bug. So this thing was flying around my room and I was completely transfixed by it. Like, I think I was scared because I didn't know

what it was, but it, the energy of it did not scare me. It was just like, I was creeped out because I was like, what am I seeing? Because this is not natural. Like, the brightness of this light and its movements and stuff was

not a bug by any means. And so, and it, like, if this was the ceiling, it was like bouncing on the ceiling. So it wasn't like, it was like not a projection, right? You could tell when it was hitting the ceiling and moving around.

Yes. Were you able to hear like a thud or something? I don't remember hearing anything. I don't remember hearing anything like auditoryly but I just you could see it

oh yes 100% and I had parakeets at the time and they of course they were in their cage but I built them this like little I was like a little

perch that they could sit on the very top of my bookshelf because they had like a like a kids desk and it had one, like, it was a wooden bookcase that attached to the desk. So it was very high up. And this thing flew up to that tree and landed on one of the leaves and kind of like flickered out and just went out. Okay. But like seven seconds later, it lit up again.

Okay, that's what I was going to ask. Yeah, started flying around the room. and eventually you know again I was just like part of me wanted to call out for one of my parents I didn't really know what to do

but I at the end of the day and this is kind of like when you had talked about like you said well what were you like what if somebody was like compelled to do something it was like I felt like I was more compelled to just chill out you know like not do anything not freak out not scream whatever

and eventually it kept flying around until it sort of went onto one of the walls and it went down behind my wooden dresser and it never came back out and I didn't do a damn thing

I laid the hell in bed I waited and waited it never came back out the next morning I looked behind my dresser nothing was back there like whatever I tell of course my fan family the next day, you know, and my mother is like, oh, well, you're just reading too much

Harry Potter. All right. Fine. All right, fine. So it was basically dismissed at that point. Yes. But now the very fascinating thing is about a year later, my grandmother had, she was staying the night.

I don't know if we had another party or what, but it was, again, it was the middle of summer. My grandmother was staying the night, and when she stayed the night, she would stay in my sister's room with her. And my sister is four years younger than me. So my sister then the next morning said that they had that same experience that I had a year ago.

She said she woke up a little after midnight and happened to see this light flying around her bedroom. And she described it the same way I described it, saying that it was like bouncing on the wall. And, you know, my sister is way, way more of a scaredy cat than I am. So she woke my grandmother up. Okay. You know, because she said, I woke her up because I was pretending like I thought it was a bug.

and so I didn't want her to get scared, which I know is a load of bull. But anyway, so she woke my grandmother up to say, oh, like a bug must have gotten in here. But then they both watched it. So now they both are seeing this thing. What you saw.

Yes. And both of them the next morning described it exactly how I described it. And including the bouncing. So like it's not like someone was standing outside. I mean, we were all on the second floor, P.S., But standing outside pointing like a flashlight or something in the room. Like the way that it moved was not like that.

And so like when I had seen it, I went to because this was before iPhones or before I had an iPhone. But I think before iPhones in general. And I went to bed with my normal camera. I want to say for the next week I had it next to my bed because I was ready to rock and roll. Yes. And I never got that opportunity, sadly. Uh, and to this day, no one else in my family's ever seen it. It's never been reported again.

And that was, well, that would have been 21 years ago for me. Okay. Um, because it was around, it was, yeah, 2005. Um, and it has never, ever left me the, the experience. And like, to this day, I would welcome seeing whatever that was again

because I am confident that it was something supernatural. It had to be something supernatural. I keep, I mean, to me, I just feel like

it's probably because of the movies I've seen. Like, I go with like, it was very fairy-esque, you know, very like. I mean,

when you describe it, it sounds very fairy-esque. Yes. Because it doesn't, it wasn't like a, a glowing orb that looked ghostly. You know what I mean? But it was just very much

like tink in like the movie hook. You know? And like the way that it was moving as well. Yes. Yeah. So I don't know if any of your listeners have ever had some type of experience like that. But that's my one

and only supernatural story. And I think it's a nice one. It wasn't creepy. It wasn't scary. But it was definitely something that has never left me. Yeah, that is wild, but like, I wouldn't say like in a good way, but like in a very interesting way. I like it. Yeah, I didn't mind it. Yeah, well, listeners, if you know what that was, if you have similar experiences or like you might know what it is, right in.

Yes, please pass it off. Yeah. So, yeah, I just thought I would. Yeah, and I'm very glad that, like, your sister and grandmother got to see it as well. Me too. Because, like, it validates what you saw, but it also just complicates things because it's, like, what was it? Exactly. I mean, because I guess you could, you could argue, like, was it, you know, like a visiting spirit of, like, a family member or something, you know, but it just, again, it's just odd because it had, it had, it had.

a, it had like a physical presence, whereas you would assume that something that's a little more, like a spirit would be a little more ethereal and not, I mean like resting on the leaf and then like the light fading, coming back on. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, definitely, like I said, it just definitely gave me the concept of more of like, almost like a cryptid, you know, some type of physical thing. But who knows? But I mean, it was beautiful. Whatever the hell it was. It was like a white slash blueish kind of light. Okay, question.

Did any like major life changes happen after seeing that? Like the next couple of days, weeks, months? Not that I remember. Okay. Nothing, I mean, yeah, nothing stands out to me. Okay. So, yeah. Because the same thing with when my grandmother and sister saw it.

Like, besides it being, like I said, almost a year apart, that's the only thing I remember about either occurrence in terms of like timeline wise. And then, of course, I was always curious, like, you know, would my parents have ever seen it? because, of course, it happened in their house twice. But they're still in that house. Never ever have reported seeing it. And, you know, we still reference it sometimes, like, not a lot. But, I mean, it's not like they would have ever seen it and just not said. Yeah.

So. I mean, especially after, like, more people have seen it. Yeah. But, yeah. So I've always been curious about that. I think I've tried to Google it a couple of times. but it always brings up the orb

and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. It's not one of those... It wasn't behaving like an orb. No, not like a cemetery orb or anything like that. Like, no, this was not... Wasn't that? So... Hopefully, we can get you an answer.

Yeah, well... I mean, like, no promises, but it'd be nice. Oh, yeah, I'm not... I'm not gonna hold to it, but yeah. No, no, I'm... I'm no, you won't. I think it would be, you know, cool if somebody would just say oh you know what that sounds like a really really similar story to something that happened to me yeah or you know like people someone reaches out and it's like oh

you know like this is something you know like um very common like for my culture and then like they tell us what it could be yeah because like besides just the generic fairy i like i like i sometimes i i've thought about like that uh because i'm irish and like there's that thing with the will of the Whisp. That's supposed to be a little ball that floats around and stuff. But those are usually found by like graveyards as well

aren't they? I don't I don't know a lot about them. But yeah, I don't think they're usually found like in houses though. No, no, I don't think so either but I just mean I just mean like with what I'm describing, that's the closest thing if it's not a fairy.

That's the closest thing that I can come up with. But even that, that's a Fafolk because it's from Ireland. So I mean, I guess technically it is a fairy. So I don't know. Well, thank you for sharing that. You know, oh, you are quite welcome. So yeah.

Great. And with that, we'll wrap it up. Yeah, well, thank you. Thank you for having me back. Yeah. Thanks for coming on. It's always a pleasure. Yes, thank you. And, you know, if any of your listeners

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