Chambers of the Occult - EP# 41 Friday the 13th: Real Paranormal Stories from the Winchester Mystery House

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

Send a textWhat really happens inside the Winchester Mystery House after dark?In this special Friday the 13th episode of Chambers of the Occult, J is joined by fellow tour guides and haunt performers to share real paranormal experiences from inside the Winchester Mystery House in San Jose, California. Gathered around a fire pit table, they swap true stories of whispers in empty rooms, shadow figures in hallways, doppelgänger voices, unexplained music, and strange activity on the house’s infamous third floor.These aren’t urban legends, they’re personal encounters from people who work inside one of America’s most famous haunted houses. From voices that answer back when no one’s there to objects moving on their own and moments that can’t quite be explained, this fireside roundtable offers a behind-the-scenes look at what it’s like to spend night after night inside a place rumored to be truly haunted.Whether you’re fascinated by haunted locations, paranormal investigations, or the history of the Winchester Mystery House, this episode invites you to pull up a chair and listen in.

Chambers of the Occult may contain content that might not be suitable for all listeners. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome back. Welcome back to Chambers of the Occult. I'm your host, Jay, and we have some new faces for you. Hey. Yeah. I'm Jay.

I'm Jennifer. I'm Joey. And I'm Molly. And I'm Molly. And this is not our typical setup because this is a fire pit table if you're watching on YouTube. If you have visuals. Yes. And if not, you can imagine it.

Yes. Because this is a Friday the 13th episode. Yeah. Hell of the year. First one. This year we have three Friday the 13th. Oh, that's right. Which I thought it was just like one or two because I thought it was just one.

Yeah, that's like last year. Yeah. I think last year we had two, didn't we? One. I think we only had one. Okay. So I thought I was like, okay, this year we're going to have like one or two and then we have three. Yeah.

We have three. This is the Friday to 13th year. February, March. March, yeah. Oh, Val-Valian. Oh, is that what we're calling? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So this is being recorded before Friday 13th. Yes. So we can release it Friday 13th. Are you? working Friday 13? No, because I specifically asked him no. Wait, no, I thought you were.

No, I was, but then I told me again, no, never mind because of the whole podcast, so I was just like, just in case. Wait, so you're not? I'm not working Friday 13th. Oh, wait, but that's Valentine's Day. Well, Valentine's Day, yeah, I'm working Valentine's Day. It's the same day. Yes, we just said that.

Wait, hold on. Oh, wait, wait, hold on. You're talking about Valentine's Day. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Friday.

Okay. Friday. Friday the 13th and then the Saturday is the 14th. Yes. Yes. That's how months work. Are you working Friday the 13th? Yes. Valentine's Day, it's on Friday the 13th. Okay. Okay. And then are you working? I have no idea. Okay. I check my schedule the night before as I go to bed to see if I need to wake up. Got it. The reason we're discussing our work. schedule is because we, three of us, work at the Winchester Mystery House, Joey, is there seasonally as a scare actor. Honorary member as well. Yes. Yes. You have been there two years, right?

Three years? I'll probably say three years. Yeah. What was the first year that you were there? Oh, probably, actually, no, probably longer than that. I think probably since like 20, 23? Was that? For unhinged?

What was that? In 2030. Was that house warming? I think it might have been house warm. Was that the one with like Monster Miles? Yeah, I believe so. Oh, go. So the one that I worked behind the scenes for.

Yeah, okay. So housewarming, hotel, and then 13th floor. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. The reason we're discussing this is because, sorry. We want to share for the Friday of 13th personal paranormal stories

that we have experienced at the Winchester Mystery. house because who better to share those paranormal stories than your tour guides. Yay. Well, no. Well, yeah. Your tour guides plus your scare actor. Yes. Yeah.

You saw him the news, but I remember he was on. Yeah. Oh, that's true. Famous. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly what we dragged you here. Yes, exactly.

For the publicity. We've seen you with makeup now. We've seen you without makeup. I know it's scary you without one. Yeah, I started, I forgot what year. But I've been there almost five years. It's going to be five years this year. Yeah, that's same for me, almost five years.

Yep, and then he's almost three years. And then with you also three years. You still as well. Okay. Yeah. So we've been, we're still there. We're still there. Nothing has scared as well.

Brave or stupid. Take your pick. Nothing paranormal has scared his way out. I will leave it at that. Yes. Do you remember, like, your first paranormal experience? Oh, God. I feel like I like to discredit my first paranormal experience

because, you know, you're fresh, you're green, you're new, you already have the perceptions that this is a haunted place. So anything that happens, you're like, is it haunted? Is that the ghost? or anything. Did you go, like, to work? Like, did you go into the job with your expectation that, like, this was, like, a haunted place? Yeah, yeah. So I kind of, like, was like, okay, you know, this technically is starting to be haunted. Let's see what happens. And, uh, and so I, I always discredit my first experience because I'm like, I could just be like too excited, too ready for something. And I am just

too ready to believe that it's a ghost. So I just, I just, I just, just, I just, just, I just, credit a lot of my first experiences. Okay. Well, I guess if you want to know which one it is, funny enough, it's, so I was learning the information for the tour, and as you're kind of learning the information walking through the house, so you can, you know, put that information to a, you know, a physical place, I swear that I heard whistling in, like, a staircase, and it was actually the switchback. staircase. And it was just like this like very, very like kind of just, you know, casual whistle.

And I'm like, is that somebody there? And I look down there. I don't see anybody down there. Go all the way back down, all the way down the switchback staircase. And nobody's in the carriage entrance hall. So I'm like, okay. But again, I just credit it because I'm like, who maybe it's new. I don't know. Who knows? But yeah, it was something that was like, oh, did I hear something? I don't think we have like tour guides that like actively whistle. Oh, I'm the whistler Wait, are you? I am, I do whistle in the house

Okay, I do But like that day it wasn't you That wasn't me, that wasn't me Okay See, I guess the ghost, you know, just reflect who you are Yeah, yeah Does that mean this? Okay, well, okay

Okay, so like that's one of like your earliest ones Yes, yes, okay And then like Joey, did you have any working as a scare actor? Not necessarily as a scare actor, but the only one that I can think of at least off the top of my memory was I was visiting the property one day

to visit Lolly and I was down in the basement and I'm exploring, just minding my own business, trying to be on the good side, not anything, especially because Susan was there. And I'm exploring and I'm talking to,

I don't remember who it was. I just know that they were in the basement. And Susan comes up to me and she's like, my flashlight just died on me. I was like, okay, cool. And she looks at both of us and she's like, I technically shouldn't be telling you guys this or having you guys do this, but come with me, come with me, follow me. And of course, we're in the basement. So we go down, what's it called? Yeah, Steam Alley. And she takes us down there like, all the way. And she has a mag-safe flashlight. And she's like, all right, check this up. She puts it on like one of the, the corners. And of course, like, she just puts it on full blast and everything, leaves it

there. And she starts asking questions. And of course, it slowly starts dimming. And I'm just like, hmm, all right. Of course, ask more questions. She's like asking, can you turn it off? Doesn't turn off until like five seconds later just turns fully off. Yeah. Asking to turn it back on, turns back on. And then like, it barely starts dimming again on its own. And I'm just like, oh, all right. So I don't even know what to make of this. Ooh. See as soon as you started talking about it right there.

Well, yeah, so far, that's the only thing that I can think about at the top of my head that I've experienced. Uh-huh. So do you have anything? Lama is like, give me the mic. So I talked to him before my first experience where I actually saw something. And ever since then, I had never saw anything. else. So Tengla is like the only one where it's like, I saw something.

So it's funny enough mentioning from, kind of go off from what you said, where it's like when you're first working there, you kind of expect it to happen. I kind of had the opposite mind where it's like, I don't really expect anything to happen because I already gone through like my fair share of like haunted areas, especially like in Mexico and stuff like that when I visit family. So I'm like, I don't know what true haunting is. Okay. So I'm like, I don't think anything can top that.

And so I started working with Chester. Okay. So what happened was that I believe it was around like my second. week working as a tour guide. And this is still during the time where I technically explore the house, but not enough to the point where it's like I knew every like little corner yet. Because obviously you're, you know when you were first exploring the area, you don't look at every single little place because, of course, there's tours happening so you can avoid areas. So this is my second week doing tours. And so during the time where like I didn't have

anything on me. So of course, I felt so underdressed, you know, I'm thinking about it. Because I didn't have like my little keys or anything where every time you hear me pass by. Your accessories. Yeah, my accessories. No, no that. So it was just me playing. And I was just like, It's so weird thinking about that. But anyway, so clearly I was going through a house, going through the haylog, going through, like, the 13 bathroom going up. And then we finally hit to Sarah's bedroom. And clearly, I was standing, like, right in the middle, clearly before they told us not to send her anymore. And I was standing right, we're, like, next to Sarah's portrait.

And you know how there's, like, that little room corner where she was like the fireplace and now how there's, like the little, like wall right there in the corner. During that time, I did not know there was just a wall there. I just thought there was, like, a little opening in there. Yeah. So clearly, I was talking during my tour and just saying, like, yeah, this is what happened to Sarah. like, you know, any pass away and everything. And then I felt like someone was staring at me. But I was just like, okay, it's just the people because obviously it was like I'm talking

to people. It's like my first time talking to people like at least. Yeah, my people that I'm here. The tours were looking at me. Yeah. So I was just like, but I felt different. It felt like something else was staring at me like somewhere else. So I was like kind of a weird feeling because I was like, okay, like maybe this is just the, like,

the nervousness of like still talking to people because barely my second week. And like, so obviously I was like I haven't really been scheduled. So it's like I'm still getting used. So that's what I thought. But no, so I continued talking. And then immediately some party was telling me like kind of looked to the side. So I was like, I looked to the side and I'm not joking. So there's a part that kind of like freak me out when I was there.

So during that little corner, I swear I saw someone like actually like half of a face looking at me. Like I generally saw something like actually look at me, which I thought I was like, no fucking way. And immediately I was just kind of like, like no, I'm not. I'm like, I'm probably the same thing. And I was like, maybe it was another tour guide. Because again, I haven't explored the house. So I thought it was another tour. And at that point, you didn't know that that was a wall.

Exactly. I did not know that. So obviously, I was like, okay, me, it was a tour guy that I caught in the middle of it cleaning because clearly I was already told that, like, when we're cleaning in the house, since we hide from the corners. Yeah, so we don't see us. So immediately, I was just like, I looked and I was like, okay, it's probably another tour guy. So I was like, that's kind of weird. Do you remember if it was like a woman or a man?

That was a man. It was a man. I remember specifically got like the curly black hair, almost similar to how Mattelio had it. Not exactly. Yeah. So, maybe I was just like, okay, maybe it was like Mattel or someone that kind of look similar to him or something like that. But that's all I remember. It was just like the black hair.

By the way, we're going to be making references to prove his tour guides. Sorry. I forgot about that. No, you're going. It was one of our older leads. But I thought I was like maybe someone similar to him that haven't met yet. I was like, I don't know everyone yet. So clearly I was just like, okay, cool.

Like, whatever. And then immediately I continued talking. And I was just like, okay, like, I need a check. I need to stop my tour because I'm just like, I don't know. Like, this is not making me feel comfortable. while at all. So immediately, I'm not joking. I stopped in the middle of my tour. And I was like, hey, let me go check on something really quick. I go to the corner and just saw a wall. And I was just like, hmm, okay, let me go back. So I just continued my tour, but the whole time,

I'm just like, there's no way I genuinely saw something at the house. And that was the only time I actually saw something. Really? Ever since then, I've been having, like, small paranormal experiences of just like the lights changing or like slickering and stuff like that. But at that point, I'm like, oh, it's a generator. Maybe it's like the footstakes and stuff like that. But sometimes I'm just kind of like, maybe it's just kind of like, maybe it's. I did say something, but at the same time I'm just like, there has to be because like, there's no way I saw in broad daylight, like half of a face staring at me. And that's it. So I was just kind of like, and I saw a wall. So I was like, how else can I explain that? That's so odd. So that's like the only time I ever saw something. Ever since then, I haven't seen anything else. But I've seen like, not seen, but I've experienced like small little things here. Yes. Like, okay, I can tell it's the house or could tell it's like, okay, that's, yeah. Yeah. I should not be happening here because I've worked here long enough to know. There's between someone walking, Susan or something else. Yeah. Yeah. Susan's our manager. Yeah. Susan is our manager. We were keep referencing.

Just thinking of the way that the house was built because it was like always under construction. Yeah. At some point I'm imagining that like that was the end of the house. Or like at some point there was like a hallway there and that wall did connect somewhere else. So maybe at some point there was a hallway there and at some point you could peek through that area. And at some point like now it's just a wall. Yeah. Because if you think about it, it goes into like the little room in between the 13th bath or the stairs bedroom.

But me, at some point that window did look outside. Yeah. Before the bathroom was built. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking too, but it's like, who knows? Yeah. Like how exactly it was before anything and what changed or what didn't change. But overall, it's one of those things.

It's, I will say, like, seeing a full, like, not a full body, but like an apparition of, like a person. It is kind of crazy. Yeah. It is actually kind of crazy. See, my first experience. was not an apparition, and it was not whistling, but it was a whisper. Or like half a whisper.

Because I was, you know how, like, they send you to, like, when you're a new tour guide, to, like, shadow other tours? Yes. One of the first tours that I shadowed was Roxy's, another tour guide. And in the carriage house, as the videos playing Telling Sarah's story,

I was standing next to Roxy, and I don't know where you guys stand all the video's playing, but Roxy stands like still next to the button and she like looks at her group. So I was standing next to Roxy and I heard someone whisper on my right ear. Oh, by the wall. Yeah, like there was like probably like five or seven feet of like nothing before like the wall. And then I heard someone whisper on my ear Winchester. But not the whole word.

It faded. It was like they ran out of like energy or they got tired. It was just like Winchester. And like that was it. Winchester. And like, I just like look and like when someone whispers, it's like very distinct because like you will flinch. The breathy, the breathy area. Exactly.

So like I turn and I looked and like there's a wall. And like of course like everyone is like enthralled by the video that's playing about Sarah's story. I look at Roxy. She, you know, she's just like looking at her guess. The tour wraps up at the end of, you know, after like an hour. And then I asked Roxy if, you know, like she heard. anyone, like if she said anything in the carriage house, she said no, and then I told her what happened and like, I don't remember her response, but like she was not aware of anything or anyone

saying anything there. And after like almost five years, I've stood in different places in that room and it's never happened again. No win chest. No win chest. And no tur either. They never finished. Yeah. That's the thing I also noticed, too, is like every time he haven't experienced at the house, you never experienced it again. Yes, that is. It's like a one and done and that's it. I agree with that. The question of like, did it really happen or it's just something where it's just expecting

it to happen? So it happened, but then you've never re- Yeah. Yeah. I have not heard the whistling ever since. You have become the whistling. I have become the whistling. Exactly. I have a face for you. Yeah. I have become the whisperer.

No, I generally Have you become a flashlight? You're driving. Wait, no, because it scares people in the basement. That's true. Okay. Yes. That is true.

And you have become in the face or like the half of face? No, because now that we said that, I was like, you know, like outside of the Seance room and above like the 1906, the Posto Six kitchen, there is that, that, like, window on the floor, that really big one. that we went to see for the holiday party. Yes. Okay, so, and then you can look at those bars on the seance room. Correct. Okay, so one day I was sent up there to do cleaning,

Omar just gave me like the master key, and I was like, ha-ha. Sorry, so we usually get free room of the Winchester house when we're cleaning. They usually tell us what air is to clean, but when Omero, one of our leads, gives us the master key to go clean specific rooms, we get really excited because they're not part of the route. They're not part of like the usual areas. But I got the key and then I got to like stand outside of those bars. And Milo had just wrapped up his speech in the seance room.

And you guys know who Milo is. He's been on the podcast. Yes. But Milo had just finished and his guest just walked out and Milo was just ready to leave the sound's room. And I just whispered, Milo. And Milo is someone that does not believe in the paranormal at all. So like this like man just like looked around and like at first he tried so hard to just remain calm.

And then like he opened the sands room like entrance door to like look out there. And I said it a second time and he really looked concerned until he looked. until he looked at the window and saw me and then he just like cursed at me and was like, what are you doing in there? I kind of wanted to, but at the same time I was like, I can't do that to this man.

I can't. Or I could actually see Milo express in that way. Yes. Because once again, I was like, this is someone like... He does say that like... I mean, I can't be the man. Like, I can't. be the reason that he believes in the paranormal one, like, it's not a paranormal thing.

Oh my God, that's crazy. It would be a great story. Exactly. He would be like, yeah, like, oh, my guess left the same room. And then I heard someone who say my name. I think he would have made him a believer. Oh, yeah. Unless he convert him.

Obviously. I feel like that brings us. So, like, a lot of, I would say, like, at this point, a lot of torque, I would say, like, at this point, a lot of torque, have seen a doppelganger in the house. Yes. Huh? Surprisingly not me. Well, seen or heard.

Seen or heard. Really? No? Because Joey knows this. I can pick up any sound who it is. Yes. And because I guess that's how in tune I am to like everything. So every time that I'm going through the house,

I can think of like, okay, this person, this person. Yes. And like I've never heard like any other person that's not supposed to be there, not be there. Because then I'm like, oh, people like, I think it's Jim. And then he was right, it is Jim. Yeah. I'm something with Susan's Keys and all that. So for me, I'm like, I feel like I'm like the only one that I haven't heard like someone else or seen someone else yet.

And the whole time I'm like, I really wish I get to see a double ganger. I mean, the only time I actually saw a double ganger, it wasn't at Winchester. It was when we were out together when I thought I saw River. Oh, you did tell me about that recently. Yeah. It was like at a tattoo parlor that we went to supposed to be like a goth night thing because obviously we're about people. Yeah, and they had the mask and like the hair. Exactly same air thing.

And I showed it to River. Even River was just like, it looks like. Exactly. Oh my gosh. And I'm just like, yeah, and that's the only time I saw a double-ganger, but I was like, it wasn't at Winchester. So I don't want to see a double-kinger at Winchester. But I know for me, I'm harder to cop because I always wear a hat and my little key.

Yes. Who have you seen as a doppelgamer at Winchester? I haven't seen, but I heard. So I was doing cleaning crew, which, for those who don't know, it's like a nighttime, deep clean of the house. And I was doing cleaning crew with our lead, Fred. and another tour guide, Jesse. And there was other people there too,

but they're not important right now. This was a wild back. This is a wild back. So, yeah, Jesse was still working at Winchester. So it was kind of getting towards the end of the shift, and Freddie was starting to go through the house to start closing things down. And we, she, we were kind of falling her around.

She kind of realizes that she, She had left a door up on the third floor by the base of towers opened. And so she kind of says, hey, can somebody go up there? Me and Jessie were like, yeah, sure, let's go up there. So we go all the way up to the third floor. We closed the door. Absolutely nothing happens. So we go back downstairs thinking the rest of the group will be down there as well.

And we're by the carriage entrance hall. And me and Jesse are like, you know what? We're the only people inside the house, you know, and they should be in here too. So we just go, hello, hi, hello, where are you? And we hear Freddy's voice. And you know how she does like that really cutesy like, hello? Like, yeah, you know, the, the meme voice, the hello. You know, you know, the Discord kitten voice, you know.

So we hear that and we're like, okay, there's Freddy. And we hear about like the back porch stuff. So we walk in that direction and we don't see her, but we look out into the almond courtyard and we see her and Matteo and everybody else of cleaning crew out there in the almond courtyard. And we're like, oh, okay. So we go out there and then like, Jesse and are like, hey, we were calling for you. Why did you, we heard you like, why did she like leave and stuff like that? And they're like, what are you talking about?

like we've been out here for a good while and we're like we heard freddie's voice just now we were saying hello you said hello back and and freddie you know when like you can tell what she's like so like you can tell like but she's like genuinely like kind of distraught and like really freaked out by this and she was like no that's not me and we're like yeah we heard your voice and she's like I don't want to think about this. And so, yes. So, yeah, so, like, me and Jesse both clear as day heard what really sounded like Freddy.

And it's funny because, like, the next day, Matteo actually came up to me. And he was like, so you were joking about the whole thing with Freddy's voice, right? And, you know, Matteo was an absolute skeptic. So he was like, you were just trying to pull a prank on Freddy, right? And we're like, no, we like genuinely heard her. kind of thing. And then that's kind of what made me be like, oh, shit. Like that was real.

That was something else imitating Freddy's little ho-ho voice, basically. And I'm like, cool, the doppelganger does the whole woe. So, yeah. Well, no. The one time I did see a doppelganger would have to be when I saw Will. Oh. He's now one of our leads. And I was given a mansion tour, and I got to the third floor.

We just got done with the daisy. We're taking the staircases to the third floor. And I see what looks like, well, in the low ceiling hallway, hunched over because he's a tall man, tall lean, my hand. He's a very tall man. He's like, what, six one, six two? I think so. Yeah, six three. Yeah, because I'm like six feet.

He's taller than me, so I'm like, you're like 6-263. And he's like hunched over with a broom and a dustpan. And like he's sweeping the third floor, like the low ceiling hallway. The low-ceiling hallway is called the low-ceiling hallway because there's a low-ceiling if the name doesn't give it away. And, you know, like, ha-ha, tall man, sweeping a low-ceiling hallway. Wrap up my tour. And then I text him.

I was like, ha-ha, just saw you. and then he replies, no, you didn't. And I'm like, yeah, like, you were swimming in the law ceiling hallway, and he's like, checked the signing sheet. And then check the signing sheet. He was not in that day. Because he said something along the lines of, like, unless you're at my other job,

because this is when he used to work at his own escape room. He was like, unless you're at my other job, no, you didn't. Oh, so he was still at the escape room. Okay. And now he's a lead. Yeah. That was like probably the only time I've seen a doppelganger. And the one time I think I heard one was also the third floor, actually.

It's always the third floor. The third floor like where things happen. Well, mine happened on the first floor. Because, you know, like when we're going down the hallway, there's that so many doors there don't have doorknobs. No, they don't. And I was open as a new tour guide. Um, maybe not that new. It would be like a year into the job.

I was opening or trying to open one of those doors. I think the one, not the elevator shaft, but maybe the one before it. Oh, okay. And then I think like I got it open or something happened. And then I think this is when Teresa, our lead was still there. Mm-hmm. And then I swear I heard her voice. Like in that area, which would only make sense if she was.

like in the base of tower area because she would have been able to see me from that area. She was not there. She was not there. Came back to the first floor, she was seated behind the desk because she was lead at that point. Yeah.

Just wear things that just don't make sense. Yeah. Nope. Because I know Joy is a little bit of her stethic. Yeah. Have you had experiences like outside of Winchester? Outside of Winchester? There you go.

I honestly my most, well, for Lolly at least. The most notorious one, I can't remember exactly what age I was. I just know that I was at least probably like four or five, maybe. This was during the time when the hospital in Morgan Hill was actually the hospital. Oh. My grandpa was there. Now it's just regular medical offices.

Okay. Used to be an actual working hospital. We were visiting my grandpa there. And, you know, me being a kid, not wanting to, you know, just stay. he put, I wandering off, making sure that I wasn't bothering anyone, but walking off. And I remember wandering into one of the hallways. And it was one of those hallways that sounds so cliche, where it's like half lit, half dim in a way. But I just remember playing there, minding my own business when I look down the hallway and I see a tall black mist just shoot

across from one door to the other. Oh, my God. Literally, it was where, it's like dark enough to where you can see through it, but not fully, right? Like one thick miss and literally just shoots across that full speed. And I'm just, you know, being a kid, I'm like seeing that. And instantly I'm like, nope. I turn straight back around and go to my grandpa's room. Okay. And, you know, my family's there, they're doing their whole thing.

And I'm just there just quiet. Like, did you not tell anyone? I didn't tell anyone for the longest time until probably later that day or even the next day and I was just like, I saw something. I don't know. And everybody that I tell that story to, they're like, hmm, you saw that at a hospital, it's a thick black mist, it shot

across like crazy. Did you see death itself or just like a patient or what? Because, you know, it's out of hospital. They're death every single day. Yeah. Uh-huh. So it's like being a little kid and, you know, everybody knows that like, or at least a lot of people know that kids and animals are more

susceptible to it. More susceptible to it. We're open. The paranormal stuff. Uh-huh. So being a kid seeing that, I'm just like, did I see death itself or at least some type of, like, patient, staff, something, anybody who died there. So that's, like, one of my most, like, one that really sticks with me. I can only, when you describe that, I was picturing of, like, a death eater, you know, like. Oh.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, like, break a window or, like, funny. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, that's kind of what I picture, because you were, like, just. something like fast and like a mist type of thing. Yeah.

Yeah, I can definitely see that. But that was definitely very something interesting that I, even to this day, I'm just like, huh. I mean, I still don't think of it, but it's definitely very interesting. You were young enough to like, like they said, to like being that age range. Exactly. Yeah. I'm pretty sure you're young enough to like, to like, like, you haven't been exposed to like anything like that. So at least you actually kind of like a pure like a pure, like a natural, like a thing.

and I'm like, oh yeah, this is like not something I've seen in the movie. You're like you actually saw it with your eyes. Yeah, because as far as I know, I mean, I know I've watched horror movies since I was too old, but nothing like paranormal-wise. It's always just, you know, slashing movies. Yeah. You know, seen those from being small infant due to my cousin. But, like, never exposed to anything paranormal or anything like that.

Never seen any deaths in the family before that. And so that's why it's like, Lollie said. pretty much fresh. I'm just like, all right, interesting. Yeah, never saw it again. Never did. That's why I'm just like, oh, definitely would make sense about the kid thing.

Yeah. Yeah. We had a like experience at the house like three years ago. Like, and I think you had like a story that correlated to the, probably the reason. It was like the same day. Yeah. You had like two separate experiences. But like kind of similar, but also like... It happened to...

Same. Like, I would say with it in the same now. You did something that same day. Yes. Maybe that's why I saw it. Yeah. So this was what? Three years ago, maybe?

Yeah, three years ago. Four years. I'm going to say four years. Four years. So this was during Halloween. Or Madame Nightshade's Curse. That's the Halloween show that year at Winchester. And then I was playing Miles and I was stationed in the Hall of Fires with Sabina.

And the way that the hall fire is built was built is that it's a long hallway. It's basically three rooms and there's going to be four fireplaces. There's one fireplace in the first room, one in the center, and the last one has two fireplaces in like opposite sides. And I was a scare actor in that room with Sabina. And it was a slower night. I had just come back for my last break. I was around 1040, 1050.

and I sent Sabina out on her break. She goes on her break and I look out one of the windows. The way that the Winchester house is built is that sometimes you look at one window and rather than looking outside of the house, you look into another room or you look into a wall.

Well, when I looked at that window, I looked into, I wouldn't call it a drop because there's like boards, but basically a maybe extension. And then after maybe like, 10 feet, 15 feet. Yeah. There's another window, and that's a hallway leaving Sarah's bedroom.

Where I was stationed as a scare actor. Yeah, and you were little married that year. Yes. Yeah, a little merry little girl. I am a petite person. And we would talk and mingle when the night got slow. And basically the cheese meth. Yeah.

Because, you know, scare actors got all the cheese meth. Oh, yeah. That is true. But that night you were not there. Yes. You were on your last week. I was on my lunch or break? I think it was my break.

Yeah. Because it was like towards the end of the night. Yes. Yeah. So I moved the current to the side and you're not there. And I see a tall silhouette of what appears to be a shadow. Almost as if someone walked by and they're like, shadow just stayed behind. You know how like in Peter Pan like you see his shadow?

That's kind of like the best way I could like describe it. But it looked like there was someone standing there. because in that hallway, if you kept looking straight through it, you would see the nurse's station. And there was light in the nurse's station, and that person was blocking the light, part of the light coming from the nurse's station,

as if like a normal person was standing there. So I thought that there was a person there. I can't make out their facial features or what they're wearing. I start squinting my eyes because I thought it was a maze host or like another scare actor, can't make out their facial features. So that's when like, I'm still not processing that this is a shadow figure. So me as a character that would die in a horror movie, I start waving at that shadow figure from my room from this window.

And hoping that they would get closer to the window, maybe some light would hit their face or like them and I would see who they were. There's no movement whatsoever. So I take out my phone, turn on my flashlight. and as soon as the flashlight turns on, that shadow figure disappears from the room entirely. I can see that hallway. I can see past that hallway and I can see into the nurse's station.

Turn the flashlight off. And interestingly enough, that shadow figure is still standing in that hallway, still blocking the light from the nurse's station. Like there's physically someone there, still not moving, still can't make out anything from them. So I turned the flashlight on a second time to confirm.

Shadow figure disappears from the room, turn the flash it off, shadow figure still in that room, blocking the light coming from the nurse's station. I'm not freaked out because there's like 10, 15 feet of nothing between this two rooms. You got two windows. I got two windows. There's a drop coming down. Yeah.

It's also not moving. Maybe if it moves, I might freak out. But I'm intrigued. And I'm thinking to myself, like, As soon as I run away to find someone, it's going to disappear. So there is a little chair by that window. So I pull it up and I step by that chair looking out the window, hoping that someone walks by. Of course, we need someone to walk by.

No one walks by. Eventually, I kind of like give up and I like stand up and I like walk around hoping like someone's nearby, come back to the window. It's still there. And I'm like, great, but like I can't move again. eventually Sabino walks back from her break

and then I bring her to the window and it's already gone Oh my gosh Of course Yeah Of course You're like you're there Just like mocking me

But anyway They know They know you're alone Exactly exactly And then eventually you came back From your break Yeah Which I'm like

Of course And that's when like I have asked you if like, hey, Jennifer, was anyone covering for you? A scare actor, maze host? And you're like, no. And rather than tell you what happened, I'm like, can you go ask around? Because the closest person to you would have been Brian in the bare costume in the room next door, in the sitting room. Yeah. And he was, I can't remember exactly that night, but I do remember him.

He was either on break with me or he was in a completely different room, not. near by that window. Yeah. But I also like, yeah. Like, logically I knew it wasn't Brian because either,

even if he was out of the bare costume or even with the bear costume, his silhouette did not match what I was seen. So like the only logical like response was that like it was a maze host. Right. But you asked around. You said no one was in that hallway. And then I told you what happened.

And then you were like, yeah, I'm in here for another hour or something like that. Yeah, something like that. And then you ended up telling me a story. I think either that night or like after the shift. This is where how I feel like I have a really bad memory when it comes to things. But basically that same season, I can't remember if it was that same night or it was another night for that same show.

But basically it was towards the end of the night. Things were starting to slow down. and the way that I was stationed in my particular room is people would come straight towards me and then I would scare them into around the corner because I was stationed in the sitting room and there's one door frame in front of me which is how I know people were coming and then there was a door to my right that I would jump through to scare because people think oh yeah you got the good scare there and then you get scared there again and then that goes into the seance room. So I have a, where I was positioned, I have a really great vision of who's coming

in to, from either from Sarah's bedroom, from the hall where people were coming from, or if anybody was in the seance room. And so I'm just there waiting for anybody to show up. And I hear a crash within the seance room. I look, I'm like, just quickly just turn my head to look. There's absolutely nobody in the seance room. And I'm like, okay, that's kind of, kind of. kind of weird. And I go over into the sands room because I'm like, okay, I kind of want to know what this is. And when I walk in, a little bit of context at the time, the sands room had little candles with like, that were kind of hung up on screens there, and they would have the little tea light candles on top to give that a limine effect. And so I walk in there, all the candles

are perfectly still, except for the one directly above the door. And it's swinging like crazy, like full on somebody had knocked this candle with this large pendulum, basically. And the tea light candle that should have been on top was in the opposite corner of the room. And I was just like, what the heck? Like, I haven't seen anybody like pass by the room for like the past 20 minutes and nobody was in the room and I heard the noise. And I'm like, oh my God, did I just hear like somebody knock this candle off of the candle basically? And I'm just like, okay, that's kind of crazy. that was kind of a crazy night if I remember like kind of going back in time and stuff like that the Brian who was my scene partner for for that particular haunt had said that he had seen

shadow figures in the room that I was stationed in to as well and he thought he had saw like my shadow there but he he didn't he said he wasn't sure he just thought it was me um so like that particular night things were kind of going off on like my section of the house and which is why I'm thinking it might have been the same night of your thing. Because it was kind of, that was just such a bizarre night too. It was just, it was just such a weird night. So, but yeah, you know, I had a, candle fall like right next to in the sands room. I also, I don't know if it was that same day, but you also told me, I might be making up this story or I might have imagined this. Yes. But did you end up going to see like a graveyard or like a tomb store?

for like a horse? Oh, no, I think you're misconstruiting something else. Okay. Like earlier that day or something or a day after. I have to figure out because there, it might have been when one of the horses that my family has ridden for a while had passed away. I can't run it before. It was three years ago.

I know it was during when I was working out Winchester Yeah Go ahead It might be that's what you're thinking That it might have been pretty recently after That horse had passed away This was this was an old horse by the way He was like 30 years old

And like a month before he had passed He had almost bucked me off when I was writing him So he was a bit of a punk He was a diva He really was. So, but, yeah, I wonder if that's around the same time. I can't remember my memories. I remember you brought that up.

That's, yeah, maybe. I don't know if it's like because, like, it followed you at home or like it followed you to work and then followed you home or something like that. Why don't that be crazy? You know, that horse is the spirit of the horse follows me to work and then just kicks a candle. That'd be sense. He was really pissed off about that. that candle. I mean, can you imagine how I decided the ghost of hospital?

Oh my God, there's a horse. Actually, it's funny that you say that. There was, do you remember when that medium from that came, like did like a weird seminar for all the tour guides for the Wauqua Spirits? When the Wauqua Spirits tour was starting, then they brought those two mediums who recorded the like the audio for the table, the fake seance thing. I didn't hear. So, yeah, yeah.

So they had this weird, like... I don't think I was there for that. I wasn't there, but I didn't. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I went to it because I was just like, sure, let's go, like, see what these sound, like, these, not sounds, but these mediums would say. And, like, it was very weird. Is, so we were there, and they did this, like, weird exercise where they're like, okay, close your eyes. Imagine your, you know, your favorite room in the house here and just, just, you know,

picture yourself in there. And so I'm like, we're doing this exercise. And then, like, randomly the, when the medium is like, is anybody thinking about a horse? I'm kidding a picture. I was there for that. Yeah. Yeah.

I was there for that. Yeah. And that was me because when I was sitting there, I was sitting there thinking myself, imagine myself in the, um, uh, the, the north, the South conservatory. and I was thinking about like a horse walking through this horse. And so she was thinking of something. But I was thinking there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. And she was like, I'm getting a horse energy. I know this is making me, I know. This is making me sound like a horse girl, but.

And reality, you are a bird girl. I am a bird girl. So. But yeah. But yeah, that was, yeah, no, that was a weird thing that had happened. I still think about that occasionally. But, yeah, no, yeah, that was a weird night. Yeah.

I remember when Vic was still elite, that he would say that sometimes the house would get, like, upset during Halloween. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the house has a different vibe during Halloween. And it depends, too, because especially me working only. just like the client and also being there like at night time, you can tell when they're like pretty chill and when they're like, get out. I don't want to,

I don't want people in here. Oh. You can easily tell because at least that's one thing about Winchester, at least being there just like, or guys, you can actually tell the difference of like, okay, well, like, I feel fine in here. And then sometimes it's like, there's, like, there's times where they make you feel sick.

Like, they genuinely kind of, there was, um, funny enough, going back to that Halloween that I actually worked as a scare actor, the room that I was stationed in was a room that they had opened up specifically for the haunt. And normally during the daytime, it is closed. It was the doll room. So, yes. So the very first night that I was working there, I was getting so incredibly sick. I was getting like the room was spitting. I was getting like that vertigo feeling. I felt like I was going to throw up. And at first I was like, okay, it has to be with all like, the lighting and the sound and the music and whatever. And I was just like, but there was like this little thing in the back of my head that was like, well, what if it's, what if it's a ghost? And so I was just like, well, it doesn't hurt if I just say this out loud. You know, if it's a ghost, then sure, but if it's not, you know, nothing's going to hurt. So I said, so whoever's in this room,

I know that you're probably not used to having people in here. You probably don't want me to be in here. I'm technically have to be here for several hours and I'm going to be here for several nights. I'm not doing this out of any disrespect with you, but I also kind of have to be here. And, you know, if you're making me feel sick, I don't really appreciate that. And I'm sorry that I'm here, but like just please don't make me sick. I honestly it would be better for both of us if we just kind of like are chill about this and I'm just trying to do my job basically and and then funny enough I think like a few more minutes later I started feeling a lot better and for the rest of the season never got sick in that room so no yeah I mean I did get sick I got like incredibly sick but that was because of like a horrible cold yeah I think so hot if one person gets sick Everyone gets it.

That one was so bad. I lost my voice for two months, basically. So it was bad. That's one thing, too, when it comes to, funny enough, what I mentioned earlier about the third floor, too, as well, where we need to get that feeling. So every time whenever they make us go clean, for some reason, they always put me on the third floor.

Or they always put me in spaces where I've always heard from other people, too, as well, that they don't feel comfortable being there. But for some reason, I'm just like, yeah, sure. I'm finally being in there. Yeah. And every time, like, I'm in there. I'm there for, like, a long period of time, like, over an hour, especially when it's, like, super slow.

Like, they always make me do it every time. I'm just like, hmm, I wonder why they're putting me in here. So, but for some reason, the third floor for me is very notorious for, like, every time I'm in there, I always feel super uneasy until I start playing some type of music on Spotify. I think you have told me this. Yes, yes. So that's one thing where. when I was telling to my guest, but before I talked to my guests about like this or,

just to make sure, like, maybe it's just me feeling that way because, like, I know there's something in the house. But I always say to myself first and then later on after experiencing a couple times, I can talk to the guests about it because at least I have proof that like, okay, it's happened more than once. So every time I'm on third floor, when I'm cleaning, I always get this like really heavy feeling. And I'm like, okay, maybe it's just this one section. Let me go somewhere else. And no, it's like the whole like third floor, like low sitting hallway area. It's always that area that just makes me feel like some things in there. And it's just like, hey, why are you in here?

So the whole time I'm just kind of like, okay, like, I'm like, I'm just doing my job. I'm like, you're co-workers? Yeah, because that's when they always hold the guess. Like, you're coming. They come, they tell me, like, have I experienced anything, feel anything? I'm just like, yes. And technically they're my coworkers because they live here in the house. So we're working together.

They're not getting paid a portion. Let's be real. I'm doing the job you can't do anymore. I'll let me do it. I'm doing the hard labor while you're just showing relations to scare people. Whatever you want to. Technically, there are co-workers at the end of the age. Even though we don't know their names, we know that there's something in there with us.

So every time I'm in there, I'm sweeping, I'm cleaning. And it gets like too quiet and I have that feeling. I'm just like, let me just play some music. So I always play some music. And every single time I play music and I'm not like flexuring anything like that, but I was having a Spotify premium. So meaning I can play anywhere. You don't know it or never anything like that, especially I haven't liked.

And every time I've gone to other places where there's no signal, Spotify is fine. But for some reason in the house, every time I play it, it always gets frozen in that song. And then it just goes to the next song, but I can't touch my phone at all. It does not let me go anywhere else. And the whole time, just like, I can't tell whether they really like that song and you don't want me to skip it. Or it's one of those where it's just kind of like, for some reason, that house is just like, hey, just keep it like this right now. Yeah. Different times I played like podcasts.

I also played your podcast too before. And I play podcast, music, and everything. But every single time I'm playing something in there, it always stays stuck every single time on a third floor. So every time I'm just like, maybe I'm thinking about it in their perspective of like, I'm here for the past 100-2 years. I haven't heard a single thing from the outside world.

This is the first I'm actually hearing like genuine music. Let me listen to the whole thing. It's like this is the first I'm actually hearing like genuine stuff outside besides just hot and like whatever news is out there. Yeah. Because every time that tour, a tour guy comes up here, they say the same thing. Yes. That actually makes sense. That's actually really funny because I have an experience up on the third floor related to music. So this was when

it was during Flashlight Tour and Amaro, it was me and Yasmin. And I remember Amaro was telling me and Yasmin to look for Susan in the house. We all didn't know that Susan had left early. So me and Yasmin were looking up on the third floor looking for Susan who wasn't even there. And so we're up on the third floor. And we, because I believe during flashlight tour, when the music box used to work, it would play like that old timey opera music and stuff like that. And so that was off during flashlight. So when we were, walked by that room, we were hearing it being played and we're like, well, that's kind of weird. And so I walk inside the room. And for context, this is the staff parlor room. And so when I walk into the room, the music stops as soon as I step in. And I kind of turned to Yasmin and I was like, well, that's kind of suspicious timing and everything. And when she was like, really, that just happened and everything. And we're kind of like talking about it. And, um, And I kind of made the joke and I was like, well, you know, this is their break room.

You know, maybe now that the house is closed and all the guests are out, you know, maybe they just want to listen to the music before they go to bed kind of thing. And so we kind of turned back into the room and we're like, hey, like, sorry for disturbing you guys. We're going to leave. You guys have a great rest of your night. And so we walk out of the room. And as soon as we both leave the room, we hear. the music box starts playing again.

And we're like, oh, okay, that's kind of cool. And Yasmin's getting really excited. So she comes back in and she's like, okay. And she like pulls out her phone and she's like, you know, like, oh, you know, like, can you like turn it on and off? It stays off, basically. So we get really excited. We find a marrow. And we go, okay, Amaro.

This was really cool. This just happened. And so he's like, okay, let's go. Let's try it out. So he turns off all the lights goes into, it's a marrow. And then he goes, we all go into the staff parlor room and we're all just staring at this music box and we're like, hey, can you turn this on? Like, we want to listen to this music with you. And Yasmin actually has her phone like recording to as well.

It actually turns on. And we're like, oh my God, that's really cool. And then it turns off. And then I go, I'm like, oh, my God, it turned off and stuff like that. Like it was really cool because it was just like we would ask it to turn on and it would turn off and turn on. And then then we would ask it to turn it off and it would turn off. So it's just like the flashlights. But but with like the music box. And this is when it was still working. And so it was a really, really cool experience with that music box there. So it's the one in the corner. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Like the like the display? Yes. Yes. You let it heard over in the radio or someone. It turned on recently. And I'm the one that called it. Really? Yes.

Oh my gosh. This year. This year. It was literally this year. And I remember, I don't know if it was like the tour right behind you or it was like two tours behind you. But I remember it was like basically about it to come up to do. And like after you said that, I didn't you know, I'll just like if I get it. It's just going on.

Yes. So what ended up happening? I'm so glad that you talked about that because I was like. Yeah. So I was given the tour. We got to the third floor. And I told us, like, yeah, feel free to step in there, the staff parlor. And I think it was like two girls that walked in there.

And like the record player, the music box like turned on. And like the girls walked out and they're like, that thing just like the music just turned on. And I was like, oh, I was like, not supposed to do that. And so like I told him I was like, I'm going to call this in. So like I grabbed the radio and I like, I called the guide station. And then like, I don't know if it was like Olivia or Freddie that replied. Yeah, Freddie. And like they were responding.

it like in a very way, like, in a typical way of like, thanks. Kind of like, we'll go turn it off. Yeah. I remember them saying like, oh, that's cool. And then they were like, okay. Yeah, yeah. And like a much way of like, we'll go take care of it type of thing. Yeah.

Yeah. But obviously they didn't because by the time I got there, I was just kind of like, I still plugged in. Yes. Eventually they went up there to unplug it. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. By the time I got there, it was still plugged in and the whole time I was like, yeah. Yeah. So it was still on by the time you got there, but not like, oh, not. That's what I wanted to do with those situations every time when there's like anything happening in the house and like someone hears it for those. It all gets so super excited.

Yeah. Finally something here. Yeah. What Olivia told me was that it was motion censored. It's not motion. It's not motion censored. I was two years ago, I was working there as the invisible man in that room. I was walking back and forth, back and forth.

It was, it's not motion censored. Yeah. That's that. We don't have that type of technology at us. No, we don't. We don't. It was. It's a typical music box.

You plug it in. It starts playing in you. But plug it, it stops. That's all. Yeah. So. I really wish you had that music back in there because I was at least one thing I always say is like I wish we'd had more music, more stuff in the house and kind of make it feel alive. And also, like, whatever's in there doesn't feel like it's just silence.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know.

Like, there's music again and house again alive. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. But hopefully that's their way of saying like, hey, play music. Yeah. You feel like I inspired them. Yeah.

You know what? Let's put like Selena. Yeah. So yeah. I know. It's funny. That's funny that the music box strikes again. Yeah.

I had no idea that happened with you guys, though. Yeah, yeah. No, that was with me. A little brag of fame here. Yasmin actually had submitted this video to the Watchers Deadfiles with Shane and Ryan. And that particular video actually got featured in the episode of Winchester. It's like halfway towards the end of the, the, the episode. Yeah.

And you actually can hear in the video, Miami going, oh, my God, it turned on. So that's like my brag of faith. Heck yes. But it's Yasmin, who was the one who submitted the video and she was the one who filmed it. So, yes. And it's a mirror who turned the lights off. Yes, yes. And there was a mirror who turned the lights off, basically.

Yeah. Yes, yes. And it was my voice who said, oh, my God, it turned on. So we all had a part of it. But, yeah, no, it's, yeah, so that, that video, I think that was like, it was, it was a Friday the 13th, I think, in January. Was it? I think so. Actually, full circle.

I think it was a Friday the 13th on January. I don't know. Either they're going to be really pissed out of those or they're going to be, like, really happy. I know, I know. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it is valid. 10th day and it's Friday 13th.

Yeah. Isn't, I forgot who it was I mentioned it, but like that, I think it's a little bit of the time. Yes. Every time when we do have a paranormal investigation in the house. Yep. After. It's always like something on it.

Yeah. Yeah. Even I have a story about it that too, which I was saying. Yeah. But it's always on it. But then by the time it goes to the second group like more towards you in the night, it's just like pun intended dead. Yes.

And at the same time, there's like really nothing going on. Oh, yeah. And it kind of feels like. Okay, we kind of hyped it up for nothing. Honestly, though, it makes sense. Yeah. Victorian ghost, you go to sleep when the sun goes down. You got to get sleep because you wake up when the rooster crows. It's like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock is when they go to bed.

Yeah. That's what it seems like. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Plus, if you think about it in their point of view, if you're getting into the problem, so you get the same question every single time. It's kind of annoying.

Yeah. Sometimes I think about it because we've held two paranormal investigations to the public at the Winchester House. Mm-hmm. Two years ago, it was with Taps. And last year it was with us as the ones running that paranormal investigations. So fun. If you folks would like to come and have a paranormal investigations run by us, write into the Winchester House.

Let them know that you want the tour guides to run them. Please. If you go, please ask questions. You're paying a lot of money to be there. Yeah. Please don't sit in silence. Yeah. The worst thing you can do just sit there and be quiet.

Because that's one thing I noticed what people do. They're just like so like concentrated at it. But at the same time it's like ask questions. Also, the way I see it. is that, I don't know, there has to be a better way to do, like, overall paranormal investigations. Because the way I see it, it's like, we're a group of, like, 15 people. How big were the groups? It was like 20 people, 20 people. Okay. Yeah. Like, let's go with 15. Like, we're a group of 15 people. We're in a circle and we're asking questions. Imagine you're a ghost and 15 strangers are around you asking you questions.

Like, what are you supposed to do? Exactly. I was just like, like, not obviously, like, we still wait from, like, the more personal question is like, how did you die? But, like, what's your name? And it's like, who are you? I mean, obviously, like, we introduce ourselves, kind of like we did it with you guys right now. It's like, I'm Jay. Yeah.

But I was just like, what's your name? Like, or like, what was your favorite food? I think it would be fun or if it was just a little bit more of like an intimate where it's a little bit like you have a group of, let's say, maybe at the most five or eight. And, and I think that's because. Actually, I think that would be a great way to talk about our next stuff is the stuff that happened during our paranormal investigations. But like a lot of the stuff that had happened that was really, really cool for me, happened when the guests weren't all in the room. Or like there weren't two. So some of the rooms you actually got to separate and it was just only a few of us in the room that had some really great experiences.

But I think you were saying you had a few of those too as well. Yeah, especially I remember. It was two years ago, actually, when it was like the most active I've ever seen it, I think the one from like last year, it was kind of active, but not as much as like 20, 24. Because I think that was like the first one where I'm just like, oh my God, there's like actual like, like, they're like really interacting with the people. So it was the last year. I mean, of course, there wasn't really that many people talking. But at the same time, it was one of those.

I was like, okay, at least I know they're still here. Yes. Yes. But at least the one that I can think about was the time when we did hide and go see in the apron room. Oh yeah. I heard about this. So that one was the one that I was there. I forgot if there was like a notorious,

but I know it was like me and Olivia that person were there. And obviously it was like the first room over there. And I know the A frame room is very like notorious for being like the most like active out of everything. Because I like, I mean for me personally like every time there's something in that room, especially during haunt, every time something is in there, it always gets moved, touch like broken something. Something was happening in that room. So I like to personally believe that there's nothing in there because of that.

The A-frame room, folks, it's on the third floor. And like, as you're going up to the staircase. Yeah. So if you ever take the mansion tour, you're going to be done with the daisy bedroom, which is where the earthquake happens. You're going to go up the staircase. And it's going to be the first door that's, like, close. With a curtain, like a lights.

Yeah. The mansion tour doesn't go in there, but they'll occasionally use it for, like, paranormal investigations or, like, Halloween. And then, like, there's a gable room, which is, like, sometimes used for, like, other tours or other stuff. but like that's the gable room, the one that we're talking about right now. Visually think an attic space. Mm-hmm. Which is like, because you said you were playing like tag in that room? Yeah, we were playing tag in that room.

No, no, hide and go seat. He didn't go see. Yeah, that's right. No, because when I was doing, when we, when I did the paranormal investigations in that room, I took my group up there. April was in that room. Was also April in that room where were you in charge of that room? I don't think so.

I don't believe, I don't remember too much. I just remember. Actually, no, yeah, it was April's in charge of that room. Okay. So she was like the room expert. Yeah. Yeah. It was like the first round. And the first round was like when we were taking turns before, so I was actually going with the group.

Yes. But then the second time I actually was like in the room. Okay. Yeah. I was in the north turret. Okay. So April, yeah, was the room expert when I went in there. And my experience with my group in there is that we were playing tag with the whatever was up there.

Because like the light was being turned on in one side of it. And like back and forth. So it was like playing tag with it. Yeah. So that's the same thing that happened with me too, where someone had that idea to play hide and go see because it was like the first room at the day. So immediately we were just like, okay, cool. And it was course the time when Kevin, which was one of like Michael, the old operation director that would be used to work at Winchester, they were working together. And he was there. He was like, yeah, he was like, yeah, on his inspiration. I want to see like the pernumnal stuff. And oh, obviously it was like very active. And for something, they really like Kevin during that time. So it was one of those where they kind of followed him a little bit. And obviously he offered the idea of like, oh, let's play hide and go see because there's like the flashlights everywhere. It was like three in the back and then three and like the other side of the room. And then like other ones like across from it. So you just like, okay.

And everyone was like, but how do we do it though? How do we play like hide and go seek with like a spirit in here? So me there's like, okay, well let's like narrow it down a little bit. You're like, okay, like one of us goes under a flashlight and just stay there and be like, all right, go find the person. And that's how we did it. And I remember it was a lady that she was so like ready to just interact with this person. But not in a bad way, which thankfully like the last guest I really do appreciate. where it's not like a, it's all about me.

It's one of those are like, yeah, like, I'm more than glad. No one's going to do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. She gets up, and I remember it's specifically, you're looking to the A-frame room, and it's the one where you see, like, the window in the middle, and she went on the left side, like, where you're facing like it, and she was standing like right under her exactly where, like, the piano was up,

because I remember there's a piano on her. And she goes under, she kind of crutches down a little bit, and she kind of, I don't know why, but she kind of hides her head over it. So I'm like, okay, even better. She's hiding even more. And immediately they were just like, all right, go find her. Immediately that thing just turns on like super bright. Like I haven't not seen it that bright before, especially because there's someone

to do flashlights. So it's like very dim. Yeah. Like, okay, like you kind of see the bit of the else. Right. And the whole time just, oh my God, it's here. So we were doing that for a while. And then at some point we asked it as to the same and we asked like, hey, like, what's your name?

Because we got like the device. I forgot the name for it. But like actually said it like worse. And actually does it out loud. Oh, the opulus. Yes. I remember because I remember was like one of the new ones that we had during that time. And obviously we asked it like, hey, like, what's your name?

And it said like, oh, it's, I think it was like, it's Carl. There goes, Carl. That's because I remember. I was to Carl Jr. Like, it was Carl, right? It was like you remember. It was Carl, right? And the whole time I'm just like, okay, so there's Carl in the house.

And we're like, hey, are you a worker and stuff like that? And that's when we're asking questions. And they were like, okay, cool. So then we go to the other room. And I remember, I don't remember. I was still on the third. floor or it was like the unfinished ballroom because clearly during that time the way how the route is when we kind of like do our turns is kind of weird sometimes well i remember we were in the unfinished ballroom and we asked the same question like hey car are you here with us and everything and said yes i was like okay cool so like let's not ask it the same questions someone had the different idea and they asked exact same questions to carl and we also had like little box too as well like to ask it like questions and they can like say out of it and actually sentences and we were in there and so the same question The first question, like, hey, need to work here.

Did you know Sarah? By the time we got to the third question, it said stop asking the same question. Oh. And immediately, I'm just like, okay, it knows. It knows. It knows. He's anoid. This is not, um, what did we talk about, like, the three types of hauntings in the house?

Residual haunting. Yeah, this is not a residual haunting. Yeah, this is not a residual haunting. Yeah. This is an intelligent haunting. Yeah. And they shout out of it. Yes.

Which, yes. Yeah. I'm just like, okay. Yeah. That's kind of weird. And then someone asked the question, which funny up was the thing lady that was saying, like, how did you go seek with it? And I asked, like, oh, do you know what year it is?

And it said 20 people. Wow. Wow. So, I mean, I'm just kind of like, all right. So now every time, I mean, always from my person that I do, every time I pass by the A-frame room, I would say hi to Carl. Aw. Yeah.

Yeah. I would just like, hi, hi, Carol. Yeah. The, I would definitely say there, there are times with this particular hauntings that happen in the house where, like, they know what they're doing. And they have, sometimes. they have a little bit of some motives to them, but I would say more, it's more like trickster motives.

They are, I think there's somebody, or at least some, some spirits in the house here that are very much like who want to see a reaction. And at least they do to me. But basically, when I was doing the paranormal stuff, I was stationed in the basement. And which is really funny because the only things that really, really worked really well in the basement for that particular night were the pretty much the flashlights. And though when we were setting up these things, so it was in between when guests were coming in and changing rooms, I was kind of readjusting where the flashlights were.

And I had put them down Steam Alley. And at the time, we had this laser grid that was joined there. And I had just put it right next to the laser grid. And a little bit of context, which is why this is, I think such a, was such a eye-opening kind of experience for me, I think the laser grids, like, for the longest time, was useless. I thought it was, you never see anything there. I even don't even know, like, what was the whole purpose of it? I thought it was kind of bullshit. So I was just, like, I just do not like the laser grid. And so I had put the flashlight right next to the laser grid. And usually, whenever I set up any of the flashlights, just to see if it, like, it's set up correctly, I said, hey, can you turn it on for me?

I just want to see if it works. And it does the little flicker on. And I'm like, cool, great. Thank you for letting me know. Can you turn it off? And it does this thing where it starts flickering and it's not quite turning off. And I'm like, after a little bit and I'm like, oh, maybe I didn't set this up right. And I'm going to go adjust it.

So I walk back to the flashlight and just as I'm about to grab it, it turns off. And in the corner of my eye, in the laser grid, I actually see something shift away from the flashlight down steam alley. Oh. like full on with plain eyes, just see it just a, like, because what happened was it was like the dots had moved, like somebody physically moving away, basically. So that's what had happened. And I was like,

out of all the stories we've told tonight, this was the first time I've got chills. Yeah? Yes. This was the first time I got chills. And it's crazy for me because I genuinely thought the dots were bullshit. Yeah. Like nothing worked.

I was like, nothing's going to happen with these. This is so stupid. But then to physically see that with my eyes, something shift within the dots. I was like, oh, I see the hype. Every time I see it, too, like, nothing ever happened. Nothing happened. But who was the flashlights that happened with reactions? Yeah.

I never told guests, like, hey, you want an actual reaction in the house? Bring a flashlights. I want to do another investigation now. I know. I know. I need to bring one back this year, too. Say better. We're going to do our own, though.

We just got to do our own. We could just go out of like, like, the USS Hornet or like somewhere else. Yeah. People with those would be like, hey, those reporters. Yeah. Honestly, we could. We could. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You have hundreds of drivers. Yeah. No. I mean, we can just do it for problems.

I know. Right. Yeah. We just want you to do too. And I know one of them really wants me to go to is acting. Oh, the haunted museum in the Indian Gulf. Yeah. Yeah.

And he really wants me to go because apparently there's like a room in there where it's like for like women to feel super uncomfortable. Yeah. Like at least I'm a little bit more sensitive. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Like kind of pick up certain things where it's just kind of like, okay, I know if our

back or something in here. Yeah. But I know you have a rest of. I'm sorry. I mean, technically like not. me, but yeah, when I went to the haunted museum, um,

I forgot where exactly in the museum it was, but it was, um, I think it was the mirror that Bella a ghost. Oh, yes, the prime mirror. Yeah, right on the staircase. They're explaining the whole thing,

the whole history behind that. And as we're watching the video that they're portraying, my friend and her friends say, that they felt like small little scratching on the back of their neck. Like if somebody was scratching like barely with their fingertips. Oh, nails.

But then also, I believe her friend felt something like her. Yeah. Oh, I don't like that. Oh, my gosh. Oh. I was just like, so that's why.

Now I'm like, I kind of want Lolly to go to see if anything, because like she says, she's more sensitive to it. Yes. I want to see if anything. because clearly with me, like I'm not necessarily a skeptic, but where it's like, I'm an open-minded skeptic.

I'm just like, if anything happens to me, fine. By all means, but if nothing happens, then all right, that's cool with me too. I feel like that's like the boat that I'm, like, I want to believe, but like I need some, like, evidence to believe. I think that's kind of where I am into as well. Like, I will, usually, I kind of like to say, I'm like, well, if I can't make any evidence to it, it could be ghosts. it also could be something that I'm not thinking about

to as well. So that's usually the boat that I'm into. Yes. It's just like, guess what we like that like up front? Yeah. I know perfect. Besides like the one time we're like really I saw like half of a base. Yeah.

I'm like, you'll turn into the bucket in my head. Maybe it was something. Yeah. Even though I saw it with my own eyes. Even though we're sitting around a fire pit table to talk about those stories. We are. We're still like, eh.

I think it's because we got still used to the house. Yes. Like people portraying like a house, you think it's something crazy. Like the films. But then in the time that since we work there and like clearly you've been there to before, like especially during the nighttime,

which is one of those where like it just feels like a normal house because we weren't there. We're used to the feeling. We're used to like the spirit of being in there. Like I said, it's like our co-worker. Yes. It doesn't feel very hostile or like, oh, I can. Which I really enjoy going to like different like historic locations.

for the first time because it gives you that feeling of like, oh, this is how guests feel. Because you're like, oh, I don't know this place. Or like, oh, like, I could get lost in here because I'm like, oh, this is how guests feel at Winchester. Because I think we're just so used to being there. Like, we just know our way back and forth.

And, like, sometimes we just take it for granted and, like, go on autopilot. And it's like, wait, like, this is your first time. Yes. Oh, my God, yes. We're a great trying to kind of, like, get at that point of view for a lot of people, whatever before happened. Like, oh, yeah, like, this first time, like, when I'm trying to, like, change it up a little bit. And I was trying to tell people at least, like, a little bit of, like, more, like, the honesty.

Like, hey, if you're here to actually hear, like, the story of the house and actually enjoy, like, hearing, like, about the rooms and stuff like that, then come during the daytime tour. Yes. But you're the type of person that wants to come to enjoy the architecture and actually to see it, but not really isn't some stories. Come during flashlight. Oh, you need it. Yeah. And I told him that every single time.

I told him, like, I swear it's not advertisement. I suppose. It's not. But it's true because it's like... See inside knowledge. It's not the same time too. All people don't really know about that. So if you're the person that wants to hear your stories.

I'm going to hear the stories with the... Some people say it to the script. Some people kind of do their own thing. Yeah. And like no one knows. Yep. I mean, Flashlight Tourists just started, folks. If you're in the Bay Area and you want to come visit.

Saturday. Yeah. We'll give you a flashlight and we'll toss you in the house. We don't have scare actors for flashlight. No, we don't. We have tour guides in the house. Yeah. We are sitting in the corners. All dressed is lack.

I've already done my first scary one. I'm just standing there. Yeah. But it's times like this where it's like perfect to like come and just wander through the house. Like let me follow the route. Yeah. But like take your time and actually like enjoy it. Yeah.

But this Saturday, that's when we had a. Yeah. Saturday. Yeah. Saturday's now. Yeah. I was talking to, well, it was a slow Saturday, but I was talking to some guests and some of them were like, I mean, quite a few of the mask ghost stories and I was stationed in Sarah's bedroom, which was perfect to share the like the shadow figure story. Because I'm like, let me take you on this hallway. Let me show you. Let me show you. This is where I saw. And they're like, oh, so it was in this hall. He's like, yeah, but I was in that window. So like, I wasn't here. But like, like, I was like, is this your first time here? And they're like, yeah. So like, I got to, like, share the story of like who Sarah was and like this is her bedroom and all that stuff.

stuff, but like a few of them, like, were visiting for the very first time. And I was like, oh. Because, like, I'm glad you're here for the first time. But like, if you're here for the history, you should have gotten a day ticket. But also, I'm so glad that you talk to me because I will tell you the story. Yes. Yeah. And I'm always going to be the person that if you ask me, I'm going to tell you and some tour guides are going to hate it but I'm going to be like if you see anyone we're in like their polo with their name tag

ask them for ghost stories we all have different experiences feel free to ask us and I do tell them like we love to share them some of them don't but I'm just talking out of my ass they're paying paid to tell them the majority of us

yeah I mean management wants us to talk to guests yeah no I mean honestly me personally I love talking to guests during flashlight because it makes the night go a lot faster because, yeah, no, standing in a room all night, not talking to anybody, can be a little boring. But it's just a little bit. And it's also nice when like you're sharing like a story. And like the story comes to an end. And like the people that were just blocked in were like, can you share that with us? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're like, oh my God, I'm interesting. I'm doing last night. I was streaming the red. Yes. I just had someone this Saturday. I just had someone this Saturday. come through like dress as a ghost hunter. Yes. And he had his like own like EMF reader.

But it was like a, I've never seen an EMF reader like this because it wasn't like the typical like one that you see on Amazon. It was like the upgraded like not even like 2.0 like 3.0 because it had like little wings on the sides and like they moved up and down. Oh. Oh my gosh. Yes. When he was going through the crystal bedroom, he literally just kind of went around a little bit and he's like, there's something interesting. And it's like, oh my, my, cool. And I asked my, like, hold of like, what is this?

I wanted to ask him how it worked. But, like, he spent quite a couple minutes in Sarah's bedroom because it was like, like, the little ones were going up and down. Like, it was acting up. And he was like, there's like, there's like activity in this room. And they're like, he came with his mom. Yeah. And like his mom is like an older lady. And like she was like at some point she was ready to move on.

Oh, he wasn't. And like she was ready to like, you know, like, let's move on. And he was like, he wasn't like the whiny kid, but he was like, he was like the adult of like, when else am I going to get the chance to be a real life ghostbuster, ghostbuster, he said. Which I thought was just like, I'm so glad that like, like he came to have a good time and he's having a good time. But also like it didn't feel bad for him that like, because his mom wasn't like rushing him. Because they spent quite a good amount of time in that room.

And I also didn't feel bad. bad because, like, they spend a good amount of time in that room. But also, like, Sarah's bedroom is, like, quite early in the route. It's, like, the first, like, 15 minutes you're there. So I was like, they're spending that much time. Yeah. So I was like, I was like, first of all, like, I wish I asked him where he got that. I'm like, what? Like how? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, this, like, flashlight tours is usually when, like, guests are like, don't you get scared in the house? And we're as you're like, no. Like, I know, I think I was

worried that told me that she's just feeling uncomfortable in the South Conservatory report. Yeah. Yeah. And like the, was this one with me? The EMS? Yes.

So I always had one with me. This time I didn't bring it with me. Obviously, I don't know where I'm located. Yeah. So she's uncomfortable on the South Conservatory and you think of horses. Yeah. I love the South Conservatory.

is my favorite room. I mean, I really enjoy it, especially like you're actually in the room that shows like in the photo because there's like a photo that's after 19-06 specifically. You see it in the Dasey bedroom clearly what the earthquake knows and everything about. But you also see it too like blown up

and like to stop the trajectory and it's so on where it shows like the shooting me collapsed down. You actually get to see a little bit inside but it's so dark in there that you can't really tell but so like the little pots in the corner and that's about it. And sometimes people imagine like being in the room that not only did it happen to earthquake,

they actually still see the damage and you're actually behind the actual of the stuff where you get to see inside. Even though it doesn't have to burn or what I originally look like, you're actually inside out of like the actual photo itself which is also kind of crazy if you think about it like that. Unfortunately, the Chimini is not there anymore

because that's covered in. Yeah. That's also a room that was like being in. Sadly, though, the floor is still discussing. Oh, there it is. But the floor is kind of, at least still there. It's still the way how it is.

I hope it's kind of like, like, it's clean it up a little bit. But other than that, like, I just like talking about the room and also kind of like being like, yeah, that's through the room side. You always get it normally open. Yes.

Being like the daytime towards. Even though some people do remember it in the past, I always hope people like, yeah, it changes like every, like, so often. So if you're here, if you're gone for like a really like a long amount of time, it's bound to change at some point. But you're here like every single year. Yeah.

You're barely going to see any change. Maybe like a room or two, but like nothing crazy. Yeah. No. Because I think it's just recent that we have the staff part that are open and also the guests are in the hall in the front of it. Yes.

It's so pretty recent. Yeah. Yeah. To me now I just got so used to just going around there until like the next day we're just like, oh, new route. Okay. All right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because there's sometimes it'll be like these small changes and you just go, all right, okay, this is what I'm doing. Or whenever like something gets fixed in the house, we get so excited. Yeah.

And like, sometimes we get the guests that will come on because, like, I wouldn't call them them regulars, but like, guests that have been. to the house multiple times and they keep coming back not because like I would say like they're in love with the house but like they keep coming back because like they have family in town so like they'll bring their family to visit the house yeah yeah or

they have friends and we get those regulars and then like they're always so excited oh my God we're going to go to this room and everything which always appreciate only downside though don't say it out too because remember there's other people there that's also their first time being yeah but I always appreciate the guests actually want to learn more

it's a little more yeah asked the last word guy, let me ask you you and said, especially when we're actually able to stay fun and facts about the house and not just like stick with like strip of the room and like about the room. That's like my favorite part

especially when I get the the uranium seat glass windows. Yes. That's always my favorite part. I was like a little like a little flash I bought it. And every time was just like okay, go out of time. Or my little ghost out of my little ghost stuff.

Yeah. That's true. I always love doing that. Every time I have new ghosts, I'm just like, oh, you're new ones, here you go. This is their color, and they're not jelly beans. Oh. Because Eric's been giving it to the guests. You're just like, is it jelly bean?

And you're like, no, don't. Don't. You will become a ghost if you eat it. You are what you eat. You are what you eat, honestly. Then I gave out dogs. Now I'm giving out ghosts. And first of those normal ghosts and now they're cold.

There goes. Nice. I don't know where's going to fall from there. We'll see. We'll find out. You'll find out, folks. Maybe when you visit, if you get Lolly as a touring guide, you'll find out. You'll find out.

Sorry, I don't give anything. I give you dad jokes. You give tours. I give tours. Yeah. So, yeah, I think with that, we're ready to wrap it up. All right. Sounds good, yeah.

Any advice we should give if they come on a tour? If you want to do any of those, like, the paranormal, like, equipment stuff, I think most tour guides allow EMFs on tour. And I mean, something that works really well sometimes is sometimes pendulums work really well. So anything that doesn't make noise and doesn't distract from the tour, most tour guides are actually really open about having that stuff on tour. I mean, myself included, and I think maybe some other tour guides kind of get a little curious

and kind of take a look as well. So you're sometimes more than welcome to share some of your findings. Like as you go from room to room while they're not really directly talking and addressing the room. So that's my advice. Been a guest and seen that point of view. That's true. Yeah. Any advice is a guest point of view?

That's true. Only advice really honestly, again, as they've said multiple times, if you want to know the history, you've come during the day. And if you want to have fun exploring the house, taking your time, go. go during the flashlight tour I just had a top of my head I was going to say That's fine I can go Some tips that I would give you

Is that At the end of the tour I would say Be sure to thank your tour guide Like at the end Like stay behind And actually give them like a personalize thanks Not just like a round of applause

Yeah We don't live off applause like Tinkerbell But no, like a little personalized things, like really means a lot to the tour guides. Yes. Yeah. Like telling us like where you came from or like, oh my God, like I've always wanted to visit here or like, yeah. It means a lot to the tour guides.

Mm-hmm. All right. So the best of the advice I can give is if you're coming to the Winchester house and you're very sensitive to the heat, avoid the summer. Yes. Avoid the summer. Oh, my God. Because it is an old Victorian house. there is no like AC throughout the place.

There's only like some areas that do have it, but honestly it's not that wrong. I would say the best time to come is either during December because it was like graduated for Christmas or during around these times like January, February because it's like very, very slow to the point that you might even be able to have like a private door if you're lucky enough or at least a very, very small group. And usually those are like the best friend that come because we actually have time to actually talk about the house and actually say actual fun facts about it. Yeah. Yeah.

Instead of being in the group and trying to like make you feel rushed. So if you ever come to a tour and you feel like it's rush, it's usually because we either are behind on time or because the group is just kind of taking their time a little too much to the point we're just like, okay, unfortunately, you have to go to the next room and kind of continue on. So it's not because we want to, it's because it's unfortunately we have to. But always come during these times where slower times come during December, avoid summer. Because do not come during summer time is hot. If you want to come to, go free to. If you do come near the summer, the earliest time possible. you can't.

Yes. Yes. But it is worth it because of the yeah. Yeah. If like the only time you're fit like pop able to make it. Is it the earliest time

pop like the time you're able to book would be the best. Any time around like 10 in the morning. I guess that. If the earliest you're able to book is like 10, 20, 10 30, 10 40 and do those times because anything later I think. Yeah. That's like the 1130.30. That's when like the half first game.

Getting hot. But I mean like take that as you will. Like if you're, if you're able to manage. warmer, like, weather, that's fine. But if you're sensitive to heat, have that beer warning. Yeah. Please bring water. I always said, like, one tip, but now here's like a list of, like, tips. It's true because of the cops. Get to the people, like, hey, like, you're some advice.

Yes. Yes. Yes. But yeah, please bring water any time of the year. Yes. Also, I don't know. I guess this is also another tip to as well. Like, some people really, really like to take pictures and don't really seem to care. too much about like kind of like not too much what the tour guide has to say but like kind of just they're really here to see

the house house and then those who really want to see the or really really want to hear what the tour guide has to say stay close to the tour guide because a lot of us when we walk through rooms to rooms we'll give out fun facts just to fill in the space and be like oh yeah by the way there's a hinge there that's a really cool hinge

with some engravings so yeah so if you want to learn as much as you possibly can from your tour guide, you've got to be sticking close to them. Also, you're able to multitask as a guess. Yes. Oh my gosh. You don't have to wait for the tour guide to be done talking to take your pictures of the room. You're able to take the pictures while the tour guide is talking. Yes, that's a pro tip. That is a very much a pro tip.

Just saying because sometimes guests will wait until the tour guide is done and then they'll start taking their pictures of the room. And like, just saying, it's not rude for you to take pictures while the tour guy is talking. There's a thing that I say on tour sometimes. I say, I'm like, hey, I appreciate you guys looking at me and paying attention to me, but you guys paid for the house. Yes.

Yes. Exactly. That's why when I mentioned about like when we go to a room and feel a rush, we're not doing the purpose because like it depends on like our door. So that's what I'm like, hey, like enjoy the room. So especially if you're at the very front with the tour guide and people are still walking in,

take advantage of that. That's why I tell people like, hey, look around the room, like take photos, like, get close to things. And so, like, majority people come or half of people come. And at that point, like, okay, I'm seeing, like, wherever you're at and then we're where we're going to start talking and leave. But you're not like, like, we're not like, people think of those. Yeah.

Go for it. I encourage it. Yeah. And if you came because you found us through the podcast or the YouTube, let us know. Yeah, let us know. That's a plus. You might get a ghost. And, yeah, have a good one.

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