Chambers of the Occult - EP# 9 Watery Graves and Docked Spirits: The Mystery of Elisa Lam and Haunts of The Queen Mary

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

In this episode, we embark on a journey into the a chilling true crime mystery and a haunting paranormal tale that have both captivated the world.Our first stop takes us into the perplexing case of Elisa Lam, a young woman whose disappearance and tragic demise at the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles sparked widespread intrigue and speculation. We'll unravel the eerie events leading up to her disappearance, explore the bizarre elevator footage that baffled investigators, dive into her autopsy report and court transcript,  and delve into the chilling theories surrounding her untimely death.Next, we set sail to explore the haunted corridors of the RMS Queen Mary, a majestic ocean liner with a storied past and a reputation for paranormal activity. Amidst its grandeur lies a tapestry of ghostly encounters, eerie whispers, and unexplained phenomena that have shrouded the vessel in mystery. We draw upon the firsthand experiences of one of us who has ventured into its haunted corridors, adding a personal dimension to the eerie tales that linger within its grandeur. Join us as we uncover the ghostly tales that haunt this historic maritime icon.As a special treat, this week we bring not one, but two bonus stories. First, we'll delve into the mysterious disappearance of a famous female aviator whose vanishing act has baffled investigators for decades. Then, we'll journey into the heart of the Central Valley of California to uncover the legend of a cryptid that has roamed its shadows, lock you pants.

Chambers of the occult may contain content that might not be suitable for all listeners. Welcome. Welcome. I was going to say good afternoon, but I mean it's not even afternoon for like us, so I don't know what it is for everyone else. I mean. Welcome back to episode 9 of Chambers of the Abled. Unwelcome. Yeah, we have a new voice today.

Care to introduce yourself? You know who I am. We know who you are. But the listeners count. Alright, do you want to start this over and like... I'm the man who missed the legend. The hottest homunculus around. What?

What is your name, Mr. Homunculus? Of course, it's only the greatest name of all time. Milo. Milo. M-I-L-O, not M-Y-L-O, not M-Y-L-O-H. Ew. That's an H at the end. Oh, and then we also have Alexis ask I ask that exact same fucking not a new guess Alexis

You didn't even say welcome like you didn't say hi or anything. Yes I'm not even saying hi to me man I think that's the thing that you say hi and we don't hear you and we always yes tell you to say hi again Every freaking episode. Hello everyone. Hi. Yes, we do have a guest. Yeah, so we decided to mix it up a bit with someone else in here. I wouldn't necessarily describe myself as a guest. More like an intruder. Oh, okay.

We have an intruder. I was ready to like clap back at that, but honestly, I agree with you. So yeah. We'll pick him up at the end. Already the energy in this room is good. So periodically, we are wanting to invite some guests onto the podcast. Let us know if you think that's a good idea or anything like that. So yeah, hopefully Milo is not a bad first impression. He probably will be. But yeah, anyway. Okay, so this week, I mean, I don't have a theme. It's just a story. Welcome to episode nine. Now,'m gonna start with a true crime story and for this we're gonna leave we're gonna stay in North America and we're just gonna head to Canada. Oh my god. Oh, I know that place. How exciting. Yeah. Now we're heading to Vancouver, British Columbia.

What did you do to my nostrils? I just, that's how I draw fucking noses. Sorry, Milo is sharing his screen just like doodling as we're talking and he's drawing me currently and like he made my nose look like like a duck's feet or something. Everyone's fucking nose like that. I see that. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,

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If Milo's a Canada. Anyway, we're going to Canada, and we're not going to be there for too long, because there will be some traveling involved. But the year is 2013. So... Okay, pretty recent. Yeah, pretty recent. 2013. So, 11 years ago. Yeah. So it's here in Canada that we meet Elissa Lamb. Have you heard about her? Yes, I do. I know exactly what this is. Cool. I love this. Okay. So Elissa Lamb in 2013, she was a 21 year old student attending the University of British Columbia.

And she was the daughter of immigrants from Hong Kong. She was Asian Canadian and she had she was in school. But even though she was in school, she only managed to complete three courses during her three years in the university. In addition to that, she was also an aspiring blogger. And in 2010, she created a blog spot named Ether Fields. And in this blog spot, she shared photos of models and fashionable clothes, as well as entries on her struggles with mental illness. So she was pretty open, but she also liked fashion. So she just posted what she wanted.

Nice. Two years later, after that blog spot, she would start a new account on Tumblr. Do any of you use Tumblr? Yes. No. Religiously. I love Tumblr. Chronically.

Too much. Good to know. This will come up later. So she named her Tumblr Nouvelle Nouveau. And aside from fashion photos, she also posted quotes and a few entries using her own words, you know, with her mental struggles. And then she decided to take a semester off school where she was going to go to a California trip, a solo adventure along the West Coast of the U.S. And she and this journey was like a way for her to explore new places, experience a different culture

and enjoy the freedom of solo traveling. Now, what was that? Nothing. Continue. You sure? You got a voice. I want to like, already, I want to like, just like, I like how you're presenting this information because I know this case and I'm already intrigued. I don't know. Just how you're going to tell me.

No, and if at some point I leave something out which maybe I won't or maybe like I'll forget a detail, feel free to like chime in. I trust you. Okay, cool. Now for this road trip. What's the stuff we're talking about? No, that's great. That's great. No, that's perfect. What about you Alexis? Wait, I think this is the first time on the podcast we've like actually known somebody else's case. No, I think. Well besides, besides Columbine, I guess, yeah, Columbine isn't even like a like a case case. It's just like a national tragedy that we all know. Yeah. You're saying Alexis? I think every episode has a case that we know of, even if it's just like the name of it and not really anything about it.

Like, yeah, that's true as well. Yeah, that's why this is a person that like one of us like no nose. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm really excited to cover this case. So she was going to go on a California road trip. Well, I mean, a whole West Coast road trip. And while her parents did not approve of her traveling by herself, they did agree

that it might help, you know, like be like a sort of refresher and help her hit that restart button that she needed to go back to school. So maybe taking a semester off school would be like beneficial for her because she was struggling in college. Yeah. So Elissa did make her parents feel better by telling them that she would call them daily, and she did. So that kind of helped them be okay with the whole trip.

And she traveled by Amtrak train and intercity buses as well. So it was all public transportation. And she was traveling from San Diego to Santa Cruz, California. But during that trip she made a stop in Los Angeles. Damn, she traveled that far? Yeah. I've been on a-

It was a whole semester off. Oh man, I've been on a Greyhound from Los Angeles to here and I was fucking miserable. Dude, yeah, it- Were you traveling by yourself? No. So this happened a couple of, like, maybe like two years ago. The car that my family was taking for a vacation, the wheel like caught on fire and kind of exploded.

So we had to take a break. It's okay. We were all fine. You said that so casually. Well, because everyone was okay. We didn't die. Did we die? No.

I don't think so. Your family history. So I feel like that might contribute to why you didn't enjoy the road trip. I mean the fact that you were in like Los Angeles anyways where you first went wrong. So I love, hey, I'm, I, my grandmother lives in Los Angeles. I love Los Angeles. The art. LA is like you visit once and you never go back. I don't know. Or you only go for Disneyland or like, or like universal. Yeah, or the Queen Mary or something else big. Yeah,

anyway, we're going for Disneyland. So I don't Yeah, anyway, we're going for Disneyland. So I don't As Alexis said anyways Two days after her arrival She checked in in a budget hotel in downtown LA So it was on January 26 This hotel was built in 1924. It was a 15 story building with 600 rooms known as the Cecil Hotel. Ah!

Yes, yes, yes. That's my friend. Now this hotel is just infamous for suicides and other violent deaths, and it's also home to several serial killers, who I will not be mentioning today because those are future cases to cover. I don't know if you heard me, like them, I picked it up. But when you said she checked into a hotel, I oddly went, uh, cause like I know exactly what hotel is. Like, you know, is it the hotel California?

Honestly, I think the hotel Cecil kind of is the quintessential Hotel California. I'm gonna be completely real. Yeah, yeah. You'll, you'll find out. I mean, I'm not actually covering the hotel as its own thing, but I'm just covering her saying that the hotel. Now the reports say that Alyssa, she initially was assigned a shared room, because it was supposed to be an affordable hotel and she was in a shared room on the hotel's fifth floor with a bunk bed. But eventually she was moved to another room because that the roommates that she was staying with in that room, they complain about a certain odd behavior.

about a certain odd behavior. So there's no explanation on what the odd behavior was. Alyssa was just moved from a share room to a private room. Thank God. Okay. And on the day of her supposed checkout on January 31st, Alyssa was nowhere to be seen and her parents had stopped receiving calls from her. Dun dun dun.

Wait, you said, okay, you said she had mental actually. Is, go. Yeah, Milo. Do I, I feel like I know what you're talking about. Yeah. But yeah, me too. You guys probably know it was a decently popular story. Okay, I have a lot of information of this.

So please get into it. Yes. I did like a deep dive and I was really into this. So I think you're really going to appreciate the information if you already know something of the case. Yeah, I got really into this case. So I wouldn't say it. So she was nowhere to be seen during the checkout time. Um, her parents stopped receiving her calls. So because the parents were getting the calls daily and when they just stopped, um, they called the Los Angeles police department.

And then the LA police department started a search operation. And even the parents came down from Canada to LA. Damn. So, yeah, I would. The LAPD did something? Yeah. I mean, the police were able to search public parts of the hotel, but they were not able to obtain like a search warrant for like each and every single room. And they searched every floor, including the roof. were not able to obtain like a search warrant for like each and every single room. Yeah.

And they searched every floor, including the roof. The hotel employees also remember seeing her around the hotel on the day that she disappeared. And one of the last people to see Alyssa was a woman named Katie Orphan. And she worked in a- Ooh, that's what I thought of that name. Yeah. Katie Orphan and she worked in a book. Yeah, so Katie worked in a hotel in a bookstore next to the hotel. Ironically, the bookstore's name is also the bookstore's name is The Last Bookstore. Nice. Kind of a cute little nickname though.

Anyway, it's ironic for this case but anyway, Katie said that Alyssa was happy when she talked to her. And she was helping her find books and music that she helped her check out books and music from the store. And Alyssa was telling Katie that she was making some of his purchases for friends and family back home. So, Alyssa had plans to go back home. Now, during this whole time, the hotel found footage of Alyssa. And this footage would only lead to more questions. Now, I should have had this ready for all of you, but I'm going to pull it up right now and I'm going to send it to your group chat so you can actually see what is happening.

Okay. Because, fill in the blanks, we'll talk. No, because- By group chat do you mean on our phone? The one that I- yeah, the lieutenant one. Yay! Okay. I love the, Tenet. Me too.

And I forgot how I... No, so this video... Let's find it. Oh, there it is. It's on YouTube. It's pretty much everywhere that you look for it. Feel free to like, take a look at the video. If you haven't seen it already, Kai. Sorry. And if our listeners want to take a look at the video, you're more than welcome to do. If you're like at work or driving and you can't see the video,

that's fine. I can tell you what happened on the video. So it was the LAPD released the footage to the public on February 15. That was a week, two weeks after she had disappeared. And they, the police believe that this was the last sighting of Alyssa in a hotel elevator before she disappeared. So the footage of Alyssa in the elevator, you can see that she's acting unusual and she steps into the elevator and then she begins to press every button. Then she stands in a corner and a few seconds after that, she approaches the elevator door. And very quickly sticks her head out, looks to both sides and then she steps back in.

And then she's leaning against the wall, almost like in the corner, like she's trying to hide from someone. And after a few seconds, she approaches the elevator door again. Now she stands there, she doesn't step out, she's just standing by the elevator door. And then she slowly exits the elevator one foot at a time. And then she comes back in. There's a part there where she is not fully visible, but you can still see like the bottom torso of her through the video. She eventually steps back in the elevator, starts pressing buttons again a second or

third time, and then she steps out of the elevator, and then she's making this like hand gestures like she's talking to someone. She moves her arms around one more time. She doesn't walk back into the elevator this time and the door's closed. And that is the last video of Melissa Lam in the hotel or anywhere. Now there's something really odd about this.

It's hard to see because I can't see it in that video. I don't know if it's true or not or it's speculation, but apparently there's 54 seconds missing from the video in the elevator. Apparently you can see when the timestamp jumps those 54 seconds, but it's a really, really bad stamp. I tried looking at different videos and I just can't read it. So there's like theories that like someone like messed with the footage. Yeah. Someone tampered with it.

Yeah, pretty much. Like, yeah, the numbers on it are weird and everything, so. Yeah. Yeah, I remember seeing the video. It was like really popular at one point. Yeah, 11 years ago. And it's just weird because you can't read that time like the time stamp. Now two detectives were called to search the hotel. And the lead investigator was named Wallace Tennell. He was a level D3

detective, which is the highest level of detective that someone could be. And the other detective was Gregory Stearns. He was a level 2, D2 detective. Now they got a call from a missing person in the Seasill Hotel and wanted investigators to go and search. And the reason was because she was a Canadian citizen visiting that went missing. because she was a Canadian citizen visiting that went missing. I don't know if that was like more important than normal or not, but because she was a Canadian citizen visiting, they kind of took action right off the bat. And I assume that the parents coming down from Canada also added pressure to them. Yeah.

Now, eventually, the parents did end up suing the police department because there were reasons that I didn't get into, but that they were handling the case incorrectly or there were things that they didn't do. So I was actually able to get my hands on a copy of the court transcript. Ooh. Which is really, really exciting. And it's... Oh, which is really, really exciting. And about this, this is like anything involving the LA Police Department.

Like something's going to happen. Yeah. This is where they were interrogating. Detective Wallace tunnel. And the question that they asked him was, where she was or what? It's a weirdly worded question. Okay. Do you recall what you did when you went down to the Seaside Hotel?

Or what did you do after you heard you got a missing person? And then the detective answered, well, I recall going to the Cecil Hotel that day. We set up a command post in the lobby. As teams responded, the decision was to, well, start off by searching the entire hotel. We needed more bodies, personnel, to respond to assist us. Once we got enough personnel, we assigned a team and we had a hotel employee

who had a master key that could access rooms. What everyone was told to do is they were assigned floors and they were to go to rooms. They were to go room to room, door knock, if there was somebody there, open it and ask permission to go in to room, door knock, if there was somebody there, open it and ask permission to go in and search. By searching, I don't mean that they were going in and looking in trash cans, pulling out drawers. It was to look to see in there and see whether a human

being could possibly hide or be to check the area. No luggage open or anything like that. All closets, every nook and cranny of the building where we thought was a room, locked or took? The detective answered, it took quite a while, at least a day, and we also brought in canine units. There might have been at least, going off memory, six or seven teams from the California emergency. I forget what it is. They have set dogs and they were tasked with using the dogs. After the search had been done, the dogs went through from top to bottom. So I just want to like add this answers and like this questionnaire,

because it kind of like tells you of what was happening in the hotel during the time that she was missing. Yeah. Now the detective also said in the court, well, that she hadn't left for good. There was an intention of coming back because if I recall the laptop things of value were there. So it assumed she would be coming back. Yeah. Because you know, phones, um...

It's a fair assumption. Yeah, everything was still in the room. Yeah. Now, remember how we said that there was 54 seconds missing from the elevator video? Yep. They also ended up asking Detective Wallace about the elevator footage. And the question was, have you ever heard of any, have you ever heard of any thought that, sorry, it's, it's, it's a weird question. And then like,

he's asking it corrects himself. And then it's like a good question. Have you ever heard of anybody saying that they thought that the video had been tampered with prior to the reason I'm bringing this up? As you know, this has been involved in the Internet. It's. And supposedly the Internet, the supposed experts are saying that the video has been tampered with. Do you have any knowledge of that or was it ever suspected by the LAPD that it had been? The detective ends up answering, not tampering, no, because when Detective Marsha and his partner were reviewing the video footage,

that was done at the hotel on the system itself. It wasn't a copy that was downloaded and then reviewed, no. We were looking at it right then and there in real time. Hmm. Weird. Which I think it's kind of important to know because some people say that maybe the police mess with it, but if they were looking at it at the hotel in their system, I think it would have been fine. I mean, he could just lie. Yeah, yeah, that is true. I'm not gonna get into that. But during this whole investigations, the residents of the Cecil Hotel, the Cecil Hotel at the time was like a, it was a budget in, but at the same time, they

had like permanent residents. So from what I heard, the floors were for the more like permanent residents and the lower floors were for like. Budget people that were like, just passing through the city. And all these people were just asking if they've seen her all that stuff and some of the residents start to complain about a few things. Some of the things they complained was that there was a weak pressure in the bathroom taps and showers and a flood in one of the rooms on the fourth floor. Yeah, now I was able to find a newspaper clipping that was really interesting. That's awesome.

The newspaper clipping. So there was a British guest who had been staying at the Cecil Hotel for over a week with her husband. Her name is Sabrina. Last name. Bow. Sabrina Bow. Sabrina Bow.

Nice. How do you spell that last name? B-A-U-G-H. It might be, it might be like bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow.

Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow.

Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow.

Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. Bow. And then when you turn the tap on, the water was coming black first for two seconds and then went back to normal. I don't know if she said that. We thought it was just the way it was here, she told us. No, no, no, no. These Californians have been drinking the black water. Oh no. And they're in the black water.

Oh, no. I mean, maybe she thought it was now because she was in the hotel. No, no, no. Wait, what? No, that's still something. That's not normal. No, no, no. I was saying that maybe she thought it was normal because she was staying in a budget hotel.

Um, no. Still. No. That's not. No. No. Yeah, so that's what she told reporters. And it wasn't until one of the residents complained to the maintenance worker that the maintenance

worker went to investigate. And it was Tuesday, February 19th. So yeah, you know what's happening. I know. It was 18 days after she was last seen. The maintenance worker was still getting complaints for water. So he headed to the rooftop. And in the rooftop there were four 1000 gallon water tanks that were about eight feet tall.

So he walks up there and he notices that there's a ladder next to one of them, and that the lid wasn't all placed all the way like sitting flat flush on it. So he decided to check it out. He climbed up the ladder. He looked in the tank and he found the body of a Lissa lamb, floating face up in the tank. Yeah, it was, it was really like, you know how like there's the type of cringe where it's like like like you're so grossed out by something where like you physically like Like ends up at it Yeah, that was me when you have initially started describing the like the funky taste in the water and everything like that Yeah, I knew exactly what it was

That's the thing for 18 days People were drinking water or taking showers with water that she was... I don't know what to call it. She was stuck in the water tank. Well, she would have been fully, if not fully decomposed, but in late stage decomposition. Yeah, so I actually have some information about that as well, but real quick before we get there, he looked in the water tank, the maintenance worker, he said that it appeared to be like half to a three quarters full of the tank, so it wasn't full all the way. And her clothing was also found in the tank. As well as a hotel key card and a watch.

Now, something interesting about this. To get to the roof, that door has an alarm. So if for any reason someone that doesn't work at the hotel were to go up to the roof and just open the door, an alarm would have gone off. And there was no reports of anyone hearing an alarm. Now the worker found the body and he called 911. The alley fire department number nine responded to determine the death at 10 22 a.m. and then detective wallace arrived at 148 p.m. um the body to get the body out of the water tank they had to first of

all drain the tank and then they had to cut it open because remember it was an eight feet tall tank so there was no way someone could go in there and see things in detail. Now this is some more transcript from the uh from the courtroom for yeah um and the question is did they just no one cut up a hole on the top. They just went through the hatch that she at the top. Correct? It's a weird question. I know they say no sir. Good. No, I just say yeah, like the. The the police investigations in the court questioning. It's so jumbled in this case. It's really weird. It really is. They said no, sir. And then the question is, how did she get pulled out? The fire department rescue team actually cut a hatch at the bottom. Oh, did they? Yeah, they had to.

Because now she was basically almost resting on the floor. All the water had been drained out, so they cut a hatch at the bottom of the tank and pulled her out that way. As I understand, she was naked? Yes, sir. The body was naked? Yes, sir, she was. But her clothes were there?

Yes. Now, during this whole research, there was a lot of debate of whether her body was found naked, other people saying body was found naked, other people saying it was found with her clothes on. I'm going based on the official documents, because not only did I get my hands on the court transcript, but also on the autopsy report. Oh, nice.

Damn! Okay. I mean, I... it was there. You do you bro. Yeah. I'm glad. So the autopsy report set the following. The body was not clothes, not cloth, and I inspected the clothing. The clothing consisted of one pair of black shorts, size, men's medium, with a logo on the left front leg one green shirt labeled jjm size large with a logo on the back neck labeled alexander keiths india pale ale and a logo on the left front chest of a deer with antlers. And the words turn over the terrain. One pair of black underwear with lace trim labeled Calvin Klein, size small. One pair of black polka dot sandals labeled Birkins with the following numbers and letters written on the heels,

39, 55, 250, L8M6, and one red sweater shirt zipper. Front with hood labeled American Apparel, size extra small, that is wet. Now all the items had sand-like particles attached to the fabric and loosely present in the fold of the clothes and on the drying mats. Did you mention her shirt? Or did they not?

Yes. Okay. It was a black shirt. one green shirt label jj yeah it was a green shirt now there was something else from the autopsy that was mentioned there as always if you're not aware folks trigger warning As always, if you're not aware folks, trigger warning. It says adult female. The anus is edematous and showing pooling of blood in this subcutaneous tissue surrounding the the orifice.

And then the two detectives were also present during the autopsy. They're considered witnesses during the autopsy and it says detective Wallace Tennel and Stern and then they give their batch number. I'm not going to say them because who knows if they're still working or not. Yeah. Of LAPD witness the autopsy. Now, during this whole time that they found the body, the parents were, I don't know if the parents were still in LA or not, but they also did get to talk to Alyssa's sister. Her name is Sarah. And the sister said that Alyssa had a history of depression

and bipolar disorder, and that Alyssa had a history of depression and bipolar disorder and that Alyssa was taking four medications, uh, well butrin, la, lamo, tri-gene, and, we top pine. I can't say that last one. Um, so that's three and then she said- Wait, type them in the chat. Wait, yeah, yeah, type them in the chat. Wait, yeah, yeah, type them in the chat. Yeah, yeah, no, I'll do that. Why can't pharmaceutical companies name their drugs?

The doctors are like, let me show how smart I am. And they give it the weirdest name ever. Well, butrin. Okay, I said it. What's lapin? Lapin, there we go. And they give it the weirdest name ever. And well, beauty. What's the pain? There we go. Yeah. Yeah. So that's three of the four because the sister said that she couldn't recall the name of

the last one. But the sister Sarah did say that Alyssa had no suicide, no suicidal ideolations or known prior attempts. So even though she had this conditions, the sister said she never really acted on anything. And when word got out, you can only imagine how the residents of the hotel felt drinking that water. Because like I said, they've been drinking that water, sharing for that water for two weeks. So some residents temporarily moved out. Other people stayed in the hotel. And the only

water that was running was toilet water. So there you wouldn't be able to shower or drink or like cook with it. But the only water was toilet water. Question. Yeah, go ahead. Did anybody get sick from drinking the water? No, no. And actually some there's some more newspaper clippings things that I found related to like water contamination and things. So the water got tested twice and it was indicated that the water was safe from a quote-unquote microbiological standpoint. Now the person said we can't say what the quality of the water was prior to the samples. We can only say that the water met the standard at the time that it was sampled. Chlorine in the water probably killed any bacteria in the tank where lamb's body was found.

Now, of course, they said that to make the public feel better about the situation, they drink water that happened. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Now, there was also a high school classmate, Alex Resetta. No way. From Vancouver. Yeah. She called Alyssa's death shocking, and she said that she had been one of the friendliest people she knew. He knew. This is the last person I expect out of all my friends to have something like this happen to her," Alex said. And Alex believes that

Alyssa had just gone to California for a holiday, saying that she had posted pictures on Facebook from tourist locations, such as the San Diego Zoo. Now they also spoke to someone from the university, spoke to someone from the university, Spokeman Randy Schmidt. He confirmed that Alyssa had attended summer school at the university, but that she was not registered for the current session. And that's once again, because she took a semester off

for this West Coast road trip. That's why she wasn't enrolled for that session. She was like a break Not because like she didn't have plans to come back it was a break The investigation of the autopsy ended up deciding that it was an accident as Much as it's it doesn't make sense And that the cause of death was drowning that there were no signs of foul play um yeah and that the cause of death was drowning that there were no signs of foul play yeah how do you guys feel about that um that's what confused me the most i guess about this case not necessarily confused me but like i don't want to spoil like an ending or a conclusion you have, but there's just so much that I

feel is left unsolved with this case. Yeah. And yeah. So I don't know much about it. There's a lot more that I have to tell y'all. So real quick, we're going to skim, maybe dig a little into some other theories surrounding her case um because a popular theory that people had is that she was off her meds. However, during the autopsy Alexis are you off your meds? Always. Continue. Okay. The theory was that she was off her meds.

And I don't agree with this theory, but I'm going to share it with all of you, because it's a popular theory out there. There was an, I disagree is because there was a toxicology report during the autopsy. And the toxicology report says, bile, heart blood, liver tissue, stomach contents, spleen, and brain had been submitted to the lab. A comprehensive screen was posted. Now, the toxicology report returned, and the reports said a few things. So this is where I get a little scientific,

but also like I break things down because I have to break them down for myself. A bioethanol concentration of 0.00... 0.02, sorry, 0.02 grams per cent indicates that there is presence of alcohol in the body at the time of the death or sample collection. However, this isn't enough to tell us if she was under the influence until it's compared with blood or blood alcohol, alcohol concentration. Now the blood toxicology report came back negative for the presence of ethanol. Um, and this could be due to a couple reasons, but the most common reason is that post-mortem redistribution, which means that after her death, the distribution of the substances, in this case, ethanol, within the body can change. may redistribute from organ and tissues into the blood or other or form the blood into organs and tissues.

These redistribution can sometimes result in a lower detectable level of ethanol in the blood postmortem, especially if the blood alcohol level was declining at the time of the death. So they can't tell for sure if she was under the influence of alcohol at the time. Yeah, I was just gonna say like, I also sort of disagree with like that theory of this for being off her meds. And like, that's the cause for things. I don't know, I feel like she definitely could have been off of them. And that made things worse. But I feel like she definitely could have been off of them and that made things worse, but I Feel like there's something like more like like ominous at play

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so The blood did come back positive for a few more medications she took some ibuprofen Ibuprofen. Ibuprofen, yeah. And time twisted. But in addition to that, there was also... Boop.

Type it in the chat. We got this. Okay. This is one, if I can open the chat. Here it is. Vupropion? Vupropion, yes. Okay.

And this is an antidepressant medication primarily used to treat major depressive disorders and seasonal affective disorder. It's also used to aid in smoking, um, cessation. Now the other one, I'm also going to type it in the chat because teamwork. Makes a dream work. Exactly. Venlixipin? Wait, Venlafixin?

Venlafixin? Wouldn't it be Venlafaxine? Venlafaxine? This is the prescription. Yeah. So this is also a prescription medication and it's primarily used to treat major depressive disorder, MDD and generalized anxiety disorder, GAD. It also helps with social anxiety disorder and panic disorder.

Those were two of the things that were also that were found in her blood were those sort of like normal just normal regular prescriptions yeah okay during the autopsy they also had like a bag with all her belongings that they found in her room and with her and they had a bag the bag had all the medications that she had taken not that she had taken but that she had in her room with with her and they had a bag, the bag had all the medications that she had taken. Not that she had taken, but that she had in her room with her. But like, yeah, yeah. That she was traveling with. Now the liver, go ahead. Depending on how often she took it. Yes.

If she, if you were to, yeah, depending on how often she took it. Cause those kinds of medications, I'm trying to think of when I was on medication, how often she took it because those kind of medications i'm trying to think of when i was on medication how often i took it yeah no so that's our theory yeah because she was in four medications i'm gonna let you know here now um she they only found three of the medications in her system now that doesn't mean that she was technically off her medication it simply means that it could have been like like she could have taken that at night or like at a different time. Not that like she wasn't on it. Now the liver did come back positive for those two medications that we talked about.

And a third one, this is the third one I typed it in. It's Lamotrigine. Yeah, I guess so. It's Lamotrigine. Yeah I guess so. And this is a medication used primarily for the treatment of epilepsy and bipolar disorder. So she was in for she was taken for medications. And interestingly enough, it's not that it wasn't found in her body.

It wasn't tested or maybe it was, I just couldn't find it. I just typed in the fourth medication. Um, I don't know. We can find this with teapine. So this fourth medication, even though it was found like this medication was found in her belongings. Um, she, like the, the samples or anything, like it wasn't tested for that medication. Damn.

I don't know if it's got tested under like a different name or something else, or they just wasn't enough to test it for that. Um, but this, uh, we T pine I'm saying it wrong is also medication. What was that? Nothing. Continue. Oh, I thought you said it right. No, I don't know.

It's just my guess. Ketopene. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. So this was actually used to treat several mental health conditions. And it's a proof of the treatment of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, including manic episodes, depressive episodes, and you know, just to

maintain the treatment. Now, like I said, that maybe didn't get tested because there was a lack of blood. The autopsy report says that there was a lack of blood. The autopsy report says that there was a lack of blood. She could have also taken it after, she could have taken it after the incident, if the incident didn't happen. But this just disproves the most popular theory that she was having a manic episode

since she was off her medications. She was not off her medications. Yeah, I don't know. Like, even if she... I know like lots of like medications like that can be very finicky and very like, like, take me at this exact time or else I am going to fuck you up. Yeah. But with how extreme... That's how they are. No, seriously, with how extreme like Alisa's like behavior was at that time, to me, it feels like whatever was going on was fueled by her lack of medication,

like proper medication. But like, there was like, there's something more. Yeah, like, it's never felt like it was that cut and dry. Yeah. And what's interesting, the autopsy report not only like has her medication, but it tells you where she got her medication. And I think most of them, if not all of them, I think the only thing that she bought in the US

was ibuprofen, but all of her medications, like she got them in Canada. Like it was her regular medication she was taking. Time-wise, however, we don't know when she was taking them or if she took it late or early or something happened in between. Now, another theory is that she committed suicide, but the plans to bring GIFs back home as well as to go to Santa Cruz make it highly unlikely that she had planned for, you know, a suicide.

Yeah. Now also, the lid of the water tank wasn't on hinges, which was also very controversial at the time. People couldn't agree on it. There was no hinges on the water lid, but it was around 18 inches by 18 inches and it weighed about 20 pounds. And it made it highly unlikely that Alyssa would have been able to move it, especially since she would have to be on a ladder to climb the tank. So that also doesn't add up. Yeah. Now, Detective Wallace, the head detective at the time, he also had a theory.

They asked him about his theory in the court transcript, and this is what he says. My opinion is that she fell off her medication, and in her state, she happened to find her way onto the roof, got into the tank of water. At the time, I think that the water tank was maybe full, but as people use the tank, used water unknown to her, the level started dropping to a point where she would no longer be able to reach out and escape. And she died that way. Yeah.

Now that's not like a horrible theory except for like what I consider, first of all, there's an alarm on the door and also there's it's a big it's 20 pounds that she would have to move on top of a ladder yeah yeah that's a lot for her like probably yeah those things kind of just like the alarm now there was a theory that maybe she took the fire escape exit up to the roof. If she did, no alarm would have sound. But once again, that's just in her theory of how she got up there. Yeah.

That's probably how she did. Yeah, now this is how, this is where we have a little bit of the more interesting theories, to simply put it that way. It was aliens. Yes. You're not far off, but not aliens. God.

Yeah. On her conspiracy theory is that she was trying to expose the government. She was trying to expose the government's invisible technology. I think I know what this one is. I'm actually not sure if I know what this one is. What? I think I've heard about this. So after Elissa's body was found, there was a lot of people that took interest in the

case because a lot of things didn't add up. To this day, 11 years later, they still don't add up and people have done their own digging. Now, conspiracy theories believe that Elissa was trying to expose something called the Invisible Light Agency. Now, the theory goes that Elissa was being targeted by a soldier using an invisible generator. Now, at the time, there was a location on Google Maps called the Invisible Light Agency, and it was located, like the pin was located inside the hotel. However, as of 2024, it doesn't appear on Google Maps anymore. Yeah.

But this brings us to the point of remember how in the autopsy report, they said that there were some particles. Yeah. There was no more investigation into what those particles were. No one kind of dug into it. The theory is that those particles were used for the invisible suit and if they got an altercation like elisa and the person and then they fell into their like water tank the particles don't work when they're wet so that's the only place that they would show up i hate everything about this theory. I think it's fucking stupid. Yeah. I just wanted

to share it because it's a theory that's out there. Yeah. So I'm going to send you right now. It's not going to let me come on. Okay. me come on okay a screenshot of where it used to show up in Google Maps and you can like zoom into the picture and you can see that there is something called the invisible light agency or like the yeah the invisible light agency by the Seaside Hotel it's no longer there I looked it up but at the same time the question is like, if it's a government secret, why would you put it on Google Maps? Yeah, the hell. Literally. Isn't there some like Illuminati shit like conspiracy theories? Because the theory says that like, the reason she was acting weird, like the CCTV footage of the elevator was because she was talking to the man in the invisible, you know, suit

and that's why he doesn't show up in the camera. Yeah. Yeah. this girl, this college girl from Canada has anything to do with a secret American agency. You never know. Okay, I'm so glad you asked. I'm gonna bring it up lightly because I didn't want to read too much into this because I didn't really fall for this theory. Oh my god.

But it just basically said that when she was in Canada like she would have certain posts about like government things or like invisible things it's weird it doesn't really add up and like there's no I can't track it back that far because I don't know where it was posted. Yeah. But it's a weird thing. Now there is another theory. This one is interesting, not going to lie. So this theory says that Alyssa might have fallen victim to bioterrorism. Oh my god.

What? Yeah, you heard me right. Bioterrorism. Yes, I heard you. Oh, gosh. So, you see, there was a tuberculosis outbreak in Los Angeles that had been reported, and it had been going on since 2007.

But it gained more attention in 2012 and 2013 when public health efforts intensified to control the spread among the homeless population area. Now this theory just connects her death to the tuberculosis outbreak. Kind of like she was like a test subject type of thing because it's around the same time in the same area. And it specifically talks that the test that was being used during the outbreak was named Lamb Elissa.

Oh. I've definitely heard this before, but I am Elissa. Oh. Oh. I've definitely heard this before, but I don't think I've like paid attention to it. Yeah, I mean, I didn't read too much into it. I just want to like bring it up real quick because it is a theory that's out there. Once you start finding more evidence, it kind of debunks it

because the way to debunk this theory is that the test was actually developed before Alyssa Lam came to LA. Um, and I just typed in the group chat on the, what the test actually stood for. Like there isn't reason why it's named Lam Alyssa. Okay. Um, but the test was an acronym or whatever Yeah, it is an acronym and it was created before her trip to like LA so it's not like the test I mean, I don't know As You know the future vision and they knew they knew she'd be in LA

Okay named. Yeah see but the test dates back, the research of the test dates back to the 1990s and early 2000s. I'm going to read out the name for the listeners. Go for it. It's, okay, so it's an acronym. LAMELISA stands for Liparabinomanin Enzyme-Lynched linked immunosorbent assay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man, oh, that's a long name.

So like it's actually an acronym, I don't know. It is kind of a crazy coincidence, but I don't know if it proves anything. No, and I think that's why it got so much attention for people because they were like, it's her name just reversed. And they were like, it's her name just reversed. And they were like, no, no, like this test has been in research since the 1990s and early 2000s. It's not something that we came out recently even like in the last five years.

Now, the last theory that I have for you all, So the last theory that I have for you all, Payette Alexis, you might remember this from last episode. Milo, you might have heard of this. Yep. The last theory is that Alissa was playing... Would you like to tell them, Guy? The elevator game. No, no, no, no, no. I don't want to tell them. It's just...

I was thinking earlier... No, no, just the name. Yeah, the elevator game. Yeah, the elevator game. Yeah, the elevator game. Yeah, because I was thinking, like, when you started this case, I was like, oh, I should have seen this coming. Because he covered the elevator case. So I should have seen you covering this case also.

Yeah, I immediately thought of that. For this reason. Fair. I like that. I wasn't sure if I wanted to do this episode for the bonus or not, but this is a long ass story that I think deserves to be like- I'm glad you separated this. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the elevator game, because once again, the Seasal Hotel, if you want to play the elevator game, you need to go to a route like a building that has more than 10 stories, 10 stories, at least the Seasal

Hotel has 15 stories. But some things don't add up because first of all, Alyssa, I forgot what language the elevator game was posted originally, but it was not a language that Alyssa could understand. So like, even if she somehow managed to read like the rules for the elevator game, they were not in a language she could understand. And also, we don't know why she was playing it. If she was, it's just a theory of her pressing buttons, stepping out, stepping in. It's a popular theory. Yeah.

But yeah, something else. Milo, you might be able to check it out. Her, after she died, for a good, I think, six months, her Tumblr kept getting updated. Oh, let me check on this right now. Hang on. Check the Tumblr. Yeah, I. One thing that, like, not that you forgot to mention it, but like you did say she was very active on Tumblr, which is like, she had a pretty decently big following on Tumblr. Like people noticed that she stopped posting for a bit,

like with disappearances and things like that. And so people outside of just her family also got interested to know what happened to Elisa Lam because of just her family also got interested to know what happened to Alisa Lam because of like her Tumblr. So when did you... See, I don't think that's something that I came across. When did you say that she... So 2013. Yeah, so she passed away in 2013. Last updated in December of 2013. Yep. Do you want to be... She disappeared in December of 2013. Yep. Uh, do you any she disappeared in February 15

Huh? She disappeared in February. Uh huh. They are multiple posts. There were a ton of posts she made in February. Are you are you able to like schedule a post on Tumblr? You are. Yes. Okay. Scheduling out as far as December, not normal usually. No, she did reblog something on February 15th, which is the day that she went missing, that she was supposed to check out from the hotel, which is the day that she went missing, that she was supposed to check out from the hotel, which is kind of sad because that is the last, but there's also one three days after she disappeared in February 18th.

There's another one reblogged in February 20th, February 27th, March 1st, March 2nd, March 20th, first, March 2nd, March 20th, March 27th, April 1st, April 27th, April 30th, June 2nd, and the last one is December 10th. Yeah, they're all reblogs. You can't schedule a reblog. Well, you can't? No, you can't schedule a reblog. What, you can't? No, you can't schedule a reblog. Oh, wow. You can schedule a post, but you can't schedule a reblog as far as I know. A reblog is a reblog. You need somebody else's post and you want to reblog it.

If it's your original post, then... But even then, I don't even know if Tumblr had that feature back in 2013. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Because if you look all the things that were reblogged were from either 2012 or before. So there are not things that were getting blogged like after she passed away. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Yeah. Because you also see the date of the original like post. But yeah, because I thought in my head it makes sense to, you know, schedule some of the things in advance like the Christmas thing in December, because the last post it's like a house in a light bulb with a Christmas like with a tree next to it So that kind of makes sense for December But everything out like there was a lot of posts after she did like her body was found

Which is all the where all the theories start to like right yeah And Yeah. And that's what makes this even crazier. Actually, actually, actually, I'm looking at a comment. I'm looking at a comment that somebody posted underneath a post. It's about this, buddy, and I am King Vera. I'm pretty sure she scheduled posts because they stopped posting December of 2013. She was probably expecting to be busy traveling in sites but still wanted to post. Only reason I believe they were scheduled by her is that a lot of her postings are spread

out at night into the early morning. Also she did post fashion on her page when she was live. But I don't know if you can... It's a thing. It's weird that it's a, oh, but if it's like a reblog, then I guess you could schedule it if it's from the year prior. Oh, you can't, sorry. I I'm able to like mess with it right now.

You can schedule it. Yeah. You can schedule a reblog. It would be a weird if it was a reblog at the current during the current thing yeah like after she passed away but this is a reblog of something that she was aware of at the time yeah so once again it just adds another layer of confusion to it. Yeah. But yeah, that is the case of Alyssa Lam. Unfortunately, the case was closed.

And like I said, it was an accident according to the autopsy report. Wow. Thank you for sharing. No, thank you. I knew it. I saw the video, but I just, I never knew the like, Ellie and the about- Story the like, yeah, the story behind it. Yeah. Yeah. When you when you were talking about when you were describing the video, I was like,

oh, sure. The elevator game. Yeah. I'm actually really like onto that because I wanted to leave that theory to the end because I'm like there's not much space in the elevator game but yeah I mean that's also real quick why they believe those 54 seconds disappear because she was in a different dimension during those 54 seconds oh and the camera just is not able to like record like through dimensions I'm sorry. Look towards my true dimensions. That doesn't make any sense. I know, it doesn't. We have to play the elevator game.

Where are you going to find a hotel near here that's over... Just a building with a little resource. A building. There's a building by me that's like 15 stories. We'll go there. Yeah, that honestly seems like it works. But yeah. That is Elisa Lam.

Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. I am actually really glad that like, all of you had some knowledge of this case. You didn't know what it was. I think I remember when it first came out because I wasn't that old. But I was on the internet. You were. Why? Yeah, yeah, I was. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why uh uh oh i'm taking over yeah uh take the wheel jesus take okay so as i was like you know writing out what i wanted to say for this, I kind of realized that, um, it maybe was a little bit less paranormal than I originally intended it to be, but still, still a fun case,

I guess I want to cover. I really paid my greenest pay as I'm writing this down. I realize I don't want to tell you this. I mean, not to, but I'm kidding. I'm kidding. You guys don't deserve to hear. Nevermind. Okay. Yeah. We're not working. Shut up. Okay. So, um,

today's case actually is quite a special one for me. And so that's why it is something I still did want to cover. It's really the first introduction I ever had to the paranormal. Paranormal experiences, anything like that. Oh, okay. The first time I had felt like any energies or felt any presences

that I definitely couldn't see. Now, of course, I was pretty young and scared at the time. And now that I'm older, things definitely might be different if I ever do go back. But my experience that I had at this place have definitely set the foundation for any experiences I've had since that time Now I do already hear Alexis giggling You guys probably noticed I'm being pretty vague about what I'm talking about right now. You are but that's fine Alexis, you know what I'm referring to based on But definitely keeping it vague on purpose For for now based off of what I do. But definitely keeping it vague on purpose. For now, at least.

So what I'm talking about is a beautiful construct located in a sunny coastal city here in California that I had to visit many times when I was younger. It's honestly, I mean, at least for me, it's a great piece of history. And I think one that us as a group, we all definitely need to go visit at one point. The RMS Queen Mary. Yeah. Yeah. So the Queen what? The what? The what?

The RMS Queen Mary. I don't know what that is. Is it a hole? In LA? It's in LA? It's in Long Beach, yeah. Well, yeah. You don't know what the Queen Mary is?

I've probably maybe perhaps in, you know, my vast... No, he doesn't like getting on boats either. I do like getting on boats. What are you talking about? He's a muscle inspector. Anyways, continue. Oh my god. Anyway, it was kind of funny.

I like definitely let out a giggle to myself earlier, Jay, when you were like, oh, she, you know, was in Los Angeles. It's not like the, all this or this or the Queen Mary. Yeah, it was, it was pretty funny. Um. Are all our stories taking place in fucking California? We'll find out. It was about time I covered the Queen Mary. No, that's great. Tell us about the Queen Mary, because I know the bare minimum. So, okay, so like I mentioned, I went to the Queen Mary a lot when I was younger. I grew up in Southern California-ish away, and so yeah, I lived about a two-hour drive from Long Beach. It wasn't very far, so I would kind of go pretty often when I was younger. I'm sure you guys have all heard about how, you know,

like the house or the ship is haunted except for you Milo because you're a loser. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But yeah, you guys, you, Jay, Alexis, you guys know it's a haunted ship. So I'll be talking about that in a bit, but first I do actually want to get into a bit of a history lesson. So this is what I meant, where it's less paranormal than I thought. No, that's fine. You said history lesson and now it's going to be like war? Yes. Kind of. Yes. Kind of.

I don't know any of this. Please educate me. Awesome. So the RMS Queen Mary was originally constructed to actually be a luxury super ocean liner. What are you laughing at? Can we mute her? Is that a thing? Oh my gosh, why?

Do you want to though? No. All right. So yeah, the Queen Mary, it was built to be a luxury super ocean liner that along with its sister ship, the RMS Queen Elizabeth, the two of them would have had a weekly express travel service between the port city of Southampton, England, Cherbourg Harbor, England, and New York. So it was really just supposed to be like a luxury cruise line of ships for travel throughout New York to England. It was a beauty of a ship, if I do say so myself, that was designed to stand in a class entirely of its own, and it managed to do exactly that. The Queen Mary was so

grand for its time, and it really lived up to a lot of expectations that it set. Now, for the longest time actually, I do think that the Queen Mary was originally, or is an American ship, even with the name of the Queen Mary, because Americans are weird and we name stuff after the British sometimes anyway. But like through doing more research about this, I you know, it's it's an English

ship, which was so interesting for me to learn. So the Queen Mary began its construction in December of 1930 in Clydebank, Scotland, and of course was named after Queen Mary, the current Queen of England at that time. There's actually a funny story that goes about the name for it that when the people who were building the ship were looking for their name, they were originally wanting to name it after Queen Victoria, who was King George V's grandmother. She was the previous queen. So they reached out to King George to get permission to use the finest Queen of England's name for their ship. And King George responded with, oh, of course you can use her name. I'm sure my wife, Queen

Mary, would be delighted to hear that. And so they're like, yeah, they're like, oh shit. We meant Queen Victoria, but I guess we can't say that anymore. So they ended up just naming it the Queen Mary. It's not wife. He really did. No, I read that and I was like, okay, you go King George. Like, hell yeah, for backing up your wife like that. Yeah, I'm proud of my wife. I don't know. Yeah, keep going. But yeah, it was built by the John Brown and Company for the Cunyardard line it was a British shipping and cruise line

that still actually does exist today which I find pretty interesting yeah so the ship's maiden voyage side note I refuse to personify a ship and use like pronouns for it. So you will respect her. I don't understand. Things don't have gender. French, Czech, other languages. Yeah, we'll add a gender to like everything. But not English. No, I'm not gonna be like, oh, her maiden voyage. No, that's a ship. That's not a girl.

I'm sorry. Talk about her maiden voyage. The ship's maiden voyage was on May 27th, 1936, departing from Southampton, England. So it made its way all the way from Southampton to eventually New York, on its cruise line where it was supposed to be at. Sorry, I just looked up at Milo's drawings and it made me lose focus for a second. Yeah.

Good. Milo, like, I don't know if this is actually recording the screen or not, but you should... screenshot it or save it and then send it to us. Definitely. Before you delete it, like before you're done with it. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Serious mode. Okay. So yeah, like I said, it was a beautiful luxury ship. It was designed to be the best of the best to compete with any other ship that was out there. That was literally the reason why it was made. It was made to be the prime example of an ocean liner at that time. It was made with five dining areas and lounges, two cocktail bars and swimming pools, a grand ballroom, a library, a gymnasium, a squash court, and even a full hospital on the boat

itself. It was a huge ship. It measured 1,019.5 feet long. It was one of the biggest ships at the time. It weighed 81,237 tons. But no, yeah, it was built to be just the most luxurious cruise ship out there, essentially. Yeah, it was made with all of that. But perhaps the Queen Mary accomplished its task a little too well in being the best of the best. As in September of 1939, it was docked and that would be the last time it would carry any civilian passengers for the next six years. Wait, wait. So like how many groups like how many times did it take people into the ocean before it got docked? For two years. It was only active as a civilian vessel for two years.

Okay, because I think that's a flex saying that you got to like write the Queen Mary. Yeah. Okay, valid. Yeah. But why did they dock it if it was so cool? Because September of 1939 marked the start of World War Two.

Oh, right. Yeah, with the start of World War II. Don't we all have it in our calendar? I do. I think about World War II every single day of my life. Every day. Yeah. World War II is my Roman Empire.

No, literally. Was it World War I or World War II that was like the most gruesome? World War II. World War II? Okay. Yeah. That's crazy. Humans are... Yeah.

Anyway. Yeah. No, no, I agree with you. And you don't have to finish that sentence in any way. Silence says everything. Yeah, with the start of World War II though, the allied countries, you know, they needed all the support that they could get. So in terms of troop transportation, the Queen Mary would be unmatched for that job. There were a couple of other ships that were taken alongside it. Its sister ship, the Queen Elizabeth, was also commissioned by the military. There's another ship called

the Normandy back during that time that was also made to be a military ship, but the Normandy did catch fire and become decommissioned pretty early on in its service. So really it was the Queen Mary that took all that responsibility. The ship was docked. It was taken to Australia where it would be stripped of all of its luxury amenities. So no more ballroom, no more library, none of all that stuff. It was outfitted to be a warship. It was getting ready to be in war, to be the fastest and largest out there, essentially. It was painted a dark navy gray. And because of that, it became known as the

gray ghost. Lots of ships like that call themselves the gray ghost but in my heart the queen mary is always the primary ghost. Yeah but yeah no um people like feared this ship not necessarily because or like the access powers they feared the ship not because of like the damage it could cause. It never really had any like major guns or munitions or anything. It was just because of the amount of troops that it could get to and from places. So like even even Hitler at that time, he like put out a huge reward, a huge reward. And like he said that any U-boat captain who managed to sink the Queen Mary would immediately be honored with like one of the highest like ranks in

the military at that time. It was that important to sink the ship. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so glad they didn't sink it. No seriously that would have been terrible. Yeah, on one trip in 1943, the ship managed to carry 16,683 people on a trip. Whoa! Which still to this day stands as the record for the most people ever carried on a ship. Oh, dude, that's crazy.

Yeah, they were packed in there. And I'm pretty sure you can definitely find pictures from back during that time. Oh yeah, for sure. Sailors, all these soldiers just crammed onto the deck of the ship. Little tiny people. Exactly. But the Queen Mary's military service is really where the paranormal does come into play. That's why I did prep with this history.

How fair. The war was gruesome, as we know. Not just for the troops on the battlefield, but at times even for the troops on and sailing alongside the Queen Mary. Lots of accidents, lots of damage during that war, deaths from attacks by U-boats or from artillery or even defier from other ships on the waters. Like I mentioned, it was a huge target. Everyone wanted this ship sunk and they fought like hell to sink it. So lots of damage. The Queen Mary incurred lots of damage during its time. Yeah. Yeah. But in what's considered to be one of like the most devastating accidents for the Queen Mary and really any ocean liner is what happened on October 2nd, 1942. The Queen Mary was just going pretty fast through

the waters trying to transport some troops back. And it managed to actually slice right through an allied cruiser escort ship that was sailing along. Oh, I remember this. How do you ask? There you go. There we go. There we go. That's an accident that I would...

How is that an accident? So the thing is, this was a tiny light cruiser and it was a lot faster than the Queen Mary was. And so it was going... It was traveling in front of the Queen Mary to escort it. Both ships were under orders to be constantly zigzagging through the waters in order to avoid U-boats under. But the captain of the Purisau severely underestimated the speed of the Queen Mary. So the Queen Mary caught up to it a little too fast, managed to hit it.

And of course, Queen Mary just had to slice right through, had to just continue right through that ship. The most powerful ship at the time is believed to not be fast enough. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was crazy. It was one of the fastest at that time, but because like it was so big, it was just unseen of unheard of before. So a little estimated. But yeah, the the Queen Mary had a fractured stem, which is the very front part of like the ship's bow. So the front most part of it. So there was damage to the ship. So it was under direct orders to not stop under any circumstances due to the threat of the U boats attacking them. Oh, so the Queen Mary had to just continue on plow right through

all the wreckage of that ship, as well as all the people in that ship as well. So Queen Mary continued on. They got left behind? Yep. Yeah. The Queen Mary had to continue on, leaving the 437 members of the Curacao stranded in the water. Do you know if they survived? I don't think they did. Do you know if they survived? I don't think they did.

Only 99 of them were rescued. The other 338 had lost their lives in that accident. So it's actually said though that a lot of them were killed by the massive propeller of the Queen Mary slicing right through them. Because the ship had to just pass right through. Have any of you guys been on the Queen Mary before? No, no, not yet. So, yeah, I've gone on tours or gone through the house and one of the rooms,

I'm not sure if you still can, but, you know, when I was younger, at least you would go through the propeller room. And that propeller is gargantuan. Like it is, it is bigger than you're even imagining in your head right now. It is huge. Okay, how big do you guys think the Titanic was? Like pretty big ship? Like what are you picturing in your head? Yeah, like pretty, like I'd say a little bit bigger than medium sized. Yeah, I assume it's like there's like an apartment building right next to me that's around like three stories. I'm assuming it's like, like tall, like, about like tall as like two of them, I'm assuming. Yeah, so the Queen Mary is like three times the size of the Titanic.

It's a huge ship. It's a huge ship. Yeah. And that propeller in the back is giant. I still will never get over the fact of that thing. So you get to go down into the propeller room. And from what I remember, I'm just going purely off memory here. You can walk on the platform that's essentially like suspended in the air that's surrounding

the propeller. It gives it enough space so the propeller can freely move if it ever were to. But there's a platform with a railing and you can literally look over the railing into the water that the propeller and the ship is sitting in. It's a pretty crazy site. And that propeller room is considered to be, I think, the most haunted area of the ship. Because... It killed that many people by accident. Exactly. I wouldn't doubt it. Exactly.

You know, because of all the people that it killed. It said that you can still hear the screams of the soldiers from in that room. You can feel them presences. You can see them lurking in the shadows. Um, definitely when I was there, it's, it's such a heavy feeling. Um, and really I'm not one to say that, I guess, like even, even where we work, I don't even really get the heaviest of feelings there at times. Yeah. But just going off from what I remember as a kid,

it was bad. It was bad. I would go through there. There's this one distinct time I will always remember it, and I have a shit memory of my childhood. I was walking around the ship with my mom. We went all the way up to the top outside deck of the ship, which is an awesome view. It's a very beautiful view of Long Beach, as pretty as Long Beach can be, I guess. But there's also still anti-aircraft weaponry up on the deck that they still have. So like

the big guns that would lock on to the planes to take them down. And we were walking on the deck and we are close to one of those artillery guns and I like almost like fully shut down just like in a sense of like internal like panic and anxiety. I turned to my mom, like I don't know what it was, but it just felt like one of it felt like the worst thing I had ever felt at that point. I turned to my mom and I was like, mom, like on the brink of tears, I was like, mom, I need to get off of the ship. Like I need to get out of here. I can't be here anymore. So we rushed off of the ship, we got back down onto the floor and I immediately felt so much better just being off of it. And like, I don't know, you guys know me,

I'm pretty big skeptic. Not that big of a skeptic. I would say I believe, but it's like, I would say I believe, but's not like, I actually think that there's ghosts everywhere. Exactly. I don't know. Like, of course, me being me now, I'm like, blah, blah, blah. That was just whatever, whatever. But like, I don't know, I will never forget the way that I felt while I was up on that ship. So that's something that's always kind of stuck with me. And that's really the main thing, what I say, when that was my first experience with the paranormal.

But yeah, there's, as you walk down through the, like under kind of bowels of the ship with the propeller room, with the engine, the boiler room, there's, that's where a lot of those presences really can be felt. There's in the boiler room specifically, there's one of the doors. You guys have been on the USS Hornet, so you know that... Sure, yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah. Oh, my. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah.

Oh, my little house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, you guys know that? Well, I have totally. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. You know, okay. Like so for anyone who doesn't know, okay, I guess on like big ships, mainly like military ships or military ships, as you go through the corridors of them, there will be very heavy doors that will close and you can really get them closed. And those doors are there to section off areas of the ship in case they flood. So like in case of a flood, those heavy doors will be shut tight and you run as far away as possible. If you are caught trapped inside of that room when it was flooding, well, you're shit out of

luck. Sorry about that. But yeah, there's these heavy ass doors, like that section off parts of the Queen Mary. And in the boiler room, there's actually a story that there's a heavy door that one day one of the staff members, one of the soldiers who is down there was working in that boiler room when the Queen Mary kind of hit like a big wave, it lurched the ship off a bit. He was standing in the doorway of that heavy door, it slammed shut and crushed him. Oh, yeah, I've heard about that one. Yeah. And so it's actually said that you can still see him at times, you know, peeking

around from this doorway or reaching out from the doorway for any help that he can have on the ship. Yeah, you can hear, you know, his cries and also just the screams of the other, you know, soldiers and people that were there. I don't know, I think out of any place I've been so far, again, I haven't been there in a long time. So going off memory here, But like those lower parts of the ship have just such a crazy feeling to them. It's in a way, it's sort of like being in the like the sick bay of the USS Hornet. If you guys know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Yeah. Especially like the burn room and stuff. It's like you can just feel like this is this is where people died. And it's like, really, that's such I didn't feel anything there. Really? No. Oh, I guess we just have to go back. Because like, I don't think it was like a feeling of like anything paranormal, but just like, dude, people like died here, you know? Yeah, it wasn't paranormal. Yeah, I just thought as a room, I was fine. Valid.

I guess we'll have to go back. Yeah, yeah. But the thing is a lot after the war, in after the war ended in 1945, the Queen Mary did get docked again. It was essentially pardoned by the military, thanked for its service. It was retrofitted back to its luxury cruise liner status. It was repaired, it was repainted to be a bright, colorful cruise ship. And in 1947, it was opened up again for civilian use. So it did, yeah. What do you mean it was pardoned?

Well, like. Not necessarily pardoned, It was just like, it was like, you know, like, thank you for your service, you know, this is part of my star. Okay, that's the start from service. Yeah, discharge is what I mean. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was discharged from service. essentially. It was turned back into its cruise line status. Yeah, 1947, it opened up for tours yet again. Not tours. For voyages, I guess, on the water.

Passenger service, so it was retrofitted, it was opened up to civilians again. Now actually though, most of the deaths that happened on the Queen Mary are not said to have happened from the war though, they're said to have just been from I guess lots of natural causes So like yeah natural causes like like illnesses Illnesses mainly that were happened on the ship because it would be on a trip for like weeks or months at a time And if you got sick back during that time and you couldn't get the proper treatment. Well You know you were you were done. You were done. Or even with the hospital that they had on board, it was still small guess, still a warship during its time, so still during the war, on December 11th, the ship was just randomly broad like broadside it was just smacked by a huge rogue wave that

hit the ship. It said that that wave reached the height of about 92 feet. Which is an insanely big wave. Yeah. Yeah. And so that wave, I'm pretty sure that's the wave that managed to, you know, knock that heavy door, crushing that soldier down in the boiler room. And so this was an account. It also caused lots of damage to the ship and almost capsized it. So there was lots of panic. There was definitely lots of injury. There's no like, I guess recorded deaths of it. But there almost certainly was deaths that happened from that wave. It's actually calculated that the ship rolled about 52 degrees and it completely capsized

if it rolled another three degrees. Holy moly. This is a big ship. This is a huge ship, yes. It was carrying over 11,000 people on it at that time also. Yeah. Wow. Oh my God.

All the damage that happened. But yeah, because of the deaths from the soldiers, the deaths from people that were on the ship, there's lots of reports of hauntingss of spirits still on there. You know, ever since it's permanent docking in Long Beach after it was retired and then turned into the hotel that it is currently, a lot of these paranormal claims sort of began around the 1980s or so. A lot of people think that maybe it was done to just like, you know, increase the popularity or to bring in more business. But yeah, it's been included in, you know, top 10 haunted places in the world, things like that. Let's see. One of the biggest stories is that there's the most haunted room. And it's kind

of funny because there's always got to be a most haunted room in a haunted area. Would there be like a mid haunted room? It's staying in that one, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's staying that one I think yeah So The haunted room is the is B 340 that's one of the rooms on the ship. It was closed off for years But I think recently the ship opened up again and because they were doing some renovations and you can actually book the

Beat room B 340 to spend the night in if you want. Wait! Oh my god! It's always booked out like so far in advance. Yeah, I bet. I assume so. Okay. Yeah.

So, uh, time to book it. Exactly. I'm so done. Yeah, for like 20, 30. I'm no same. Yeah, honestly. Yeah. Yeah, for like 2030. I know, same. Yeah, honestly. Do you know if it reopened? Because I know during the pandemic it also closed down.

Yeah, so, yeah, during the pandemic the ship closed down for business reasons and it stayed closed a little while because the ship was actually slowly sinking, there was too much weight on it. So, okay, they had to remove some of the original like escape boats off of the ship just to lighten it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So it re re opened I think at the end of 2022 or start of 2020. Yeah. Pretty recently. Shaq did a DJ set there last year or a couple years ago. What did you say the room number was? Shaq is a DJ. Yeah. DJ Diesel. Yeah. B340. Yeah, it's considered to be the most haunted

room. It's to say that, you know, there's been reports of, you know, lots of like, pre-healer boards, faucets turning on. There's said that there was lots of like, there was deaths, like murders that happened in that room. Throughout the ship, there's stories of a girl drowning in one of the pools that's there. And so that pool is closed off for just public access. But I know on like some of the guided tours, you can go into those areas and take a look around. And the the energy is always so off. Yeah, so room B 340 apparently is haunted by the spirit of someone who was murdered in that room. And so you'll see people say they'll wake up in the middle of the night to see someone you know, standing at the edge of their bed or

sitting in the chair in the corner or making noise. I did mention that at sometimes like faucets will turn on and things like that. I've of course spent the night at the Queen Mary. I've gotten hotel rooms when I was younger there. I remember one night I was there with like my mom, my stepdad, my at the time my brother and maybe my like step sister at the time also. I think stepdad, brother, and then step-sister were like going around just walking around my mom and I in the hotel room because it was kind of scary or at least I was scared. And the faucet in the bathroom definitely turned on by itself. And that freaked me the fuck out. I bet.

That freaked me the fuck out as a kid. No, it was actually insane. And I think the like, something happened with the TV. I'm not sure I remember it properly, but I think the TV like managed to turn on by itself or something and that scared the hell out of me. So I was like clinging to my mom for dear life in that hotel room. Yeah. Yeah. There's also one time when I was there, it might've been that same trip. We might've stayed there for a couple nights, but it's kind of funny. It was the group of us. So me and my mom, stepdad, step sister, brother, we all were being naughty guests and we decided to go explore the ship on our own. So we like went through doors,

we went through ropes where we shouldn't have been just exploring different parts of the ship. Oh my God, you are literally the guest that we hate. I love that though. And also a little dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I mean, of course, we couldn't get down to the lower, more

dangerous levels, but we got to the big open areas that weren't in use because they were more of the haunted areas. We got to like the pool area that's usually closed off. And eventually, like I was terrified. I was ready to, you know, shit my pants. Yeah, like they dragged me with them. I'm like, live a little go for it. They dragged me with them. I did not want to be there, but they made me come with. And eventually we were caught by one of like the janitors. Oh my God, what happened? That

work there. You deserve that. But she was like this, like, she was like this older, like I think Hispanic lady or something. Or no, she was just like an older woman. Yeah. And we were like, like, oh, sorry, like, we didn't know we were supposed to be here. Like, we got lost. Can you lead us back to where we're supposed to go? And she was like, being her being the sweet lady she was, she was like, yeah, of course. And she just led us back to safety. Yeah, nothing happened to us, thankfully, but that was a blacklist. Scary, if not fun presence. Yeah. I mean, at least not that I know of. Maybe we did, but I don't think I did. We try to go back and there's a bit they got like a phone of you when you were a baby. We. Yeah, exactly.

They're like no, we know one way to play it out. I'm going to call to make a reservation. I'm like, hey, I'd like to reserve room B340. Also, I don't know if our friend is blacklisted. Yeah, his name is. I'm not asking myself, but then I remember this. Um, no, yeah, there's, I guess a lot of like the stories are kind of anecdotal also, and especially

just for me drawing from my own experience because there's no like recorded like proven cases of, of any paranormal activity at the Queen Mary. I know when I was doing research I came across of course some Reddit posts from... Can I surprise you? No, no, no. Reddit posts of people who work there, people who would tour a lot. So I mentioned the pool, this person like on Reddit said that they were viewing the swimming pool and they were startled to see some shadow figures like actually diving into the water. Like at a height where the diving board would be exactly. Or, or that like just going into certain rooms would just instantly drain their battery.

And I think that's something similar that happened to me as well. But yeah, there's reports of going through areas and feeling lots of dizziness, vertigo, disorientation, like things that are very intense, especially down in the darker work areas of the ship. But yeah, it's the energy that I remember feeling from the Queen Mary is just, it's nothing like what I've felt, like anything I've felt ever since then. So definitely somewhere that we need to all go as a group to take a tour of. I would be more than glad to.

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. That was aggressive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we're going. Yeah. Yeah, we're going. It's kind of fun though, because like, for some of the hotel rooms you go in, like some of them are below the water level. So your window like looks out into the water, which is cool. Not sure. I don't know if they swim really that close, but like the engine room, the engine room and the lower parts are like 50 feet below the water, which is, is really cool to be in. Yeah. I do want to kind of point out that the door that crushed the people, the person, is actually

called Door 13, which I think is kind of fun to play. Oh, yeah. That's why I was like, oh. Lucky number 13. Yeah. All faithful. Love that. Yeah.

Anyway, that's the story, the history of the Queen Mary. Sorry, if it wasn't as paranormal forward as no, I know. But yeah. Awesome. I like that. Cool. I loved it. Now we have a now we have more of a reason to go.

Yeah. Well, I guess it's time for me. Who's next? Yeah, is it you? Yeah, it's it's. Share with us what you have. Okay. Yeah, I just don't care. Okay. Um so, I think everyone knows this. You guys know this. I just don't know. Salud. Don't mind me. I'm just, I'm just, okay.

Okay, okay. Okay, don't do that. Okay. Yo, yo, yo, yo. Oh. Keep it to yourself. I know, don't, self-incrimination. Some of us are still recovering, OK?

Oh, yeah, exactly. It was just I'm sorry. I had turned off my mic to sneeze and I'm a very aggressive sniffer. God. Yeah, you are good. So we're not we're not really going anywhere. Not really. OK, we're just do you anywhere. Not really. Um, okay. We're just, uh... Do you not have a story for us? No, I do.

Yeah, of course I do. Duh. But it's more about a person than it is a place. We all know this person. Wait! Hold on. Mother Ever? We've heard about this person since we were in elementary.

Oh, maybe I haven't. The Tooth Fairy? Oh. Hold on, mother ever? We've heard about this person since we were in elementary. Oh, maybe I haven't. The Tooth Fairy? Oh. Yo, Santa Claus. Speaking of the Tooth Fairy, one time I wrote a letter to the Tooth Fairy after my pillow, and then 10 years later I found the letter. I was like, Tooth Fairy?

You're not listening? Okay, anyways, okay, whatever. I spoiled the Tooth Fairy for myself when I was like, damn. You're very cute. Okay, anyways. Okay, whatever. I spoiled the Tooth Fairy for myself when I was a kid. I was like, too smart for my own good, and I was like, oh, I think they're my parents. And so I did like a little test of like putting my teeth under my pillow versus not. I forget exactly what I did, but like after I was like, yeah, no, I know it's you guys. Like, I just ruined the Tooth Fairy. I know it's you. For I just ruined the truth. I know it's you for the truth as well.

Okay. Well, that's the thing. The truth, you guys are freaking crazy. What? Believe in your freaking truth fairy. Well, I was like, for. Yeah, I believe the truth fairy. Not a fairy. Oh, we all know that. believe in the teeth. A mouth is the one that takes your teeth, not a fairy. Oh. We all know the mouth. The one that's sitting in the walls. Yeah, it's el raton de los dientes.

He shows up, he takes your teeth and he leaves the coin behind. You know who else showed up somewhere? Amelia Earhart. That's who I'm talking about today. Oh! Well, even though she showed up, she would like disappear. Yeah, well, she disappeared. Yeah, well, she did.

Had to show up. My boy. Anyways, so that's my case for today. We're talking about Amelia Earhart. Thank you for sharing. Yeah. I'm done. That's it. She flew a plane and she disappeared. But you just spoiled my whole thing. Sorry. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, everyone

knows. Everyone knows Amelia Earhart. Yeah, it's like- What if I don't know who Amelia Earhart is? Yeah, what if they're just learning about her in school? I'm just gonna kill myself. Yeah, continue, continue, continue. Go, go, go, go. Tell me everything you know about Amelia Earhart. Thank you, my love., continue. Go, go, go, go, go. Tell me everything you know about Amelia Earhart. Thank you, Milo. Thank you. OK. So she was born Amelia Mary Earhart, July 24, 1897.

Close to us, Milo. Milo's about to say it like, eh. Yeah. Yeah, she was born in Atchison, Kansas, and she was an American aviation pioneer. She was actually the first female pilot to circumnavigate the globe by the time that she had disappeared as well. She disappeared over the Pacific Ocean on July 2nd, 1937. But I do want to go over a little bit about who she was and what exactly happened.

So, Error and her family, they were living in Atchison, Kansas and she grew up very adventurous and independent. So she already knew she had a feature in something when it had to do with something yeah the share money of anyone you know Alexis I want to say something so better but I'm not gonna say on the Oh, that's cute. Okay. Type it. I typed it. You don't want to say that on the podcast. I just don't want to be

with what I've drawn. Nobody can see what you've drawn. I hope they can't see. I don't think they can. Yeah, they will find out. She was living with her family, her parents unfortunately had passed and after their or not her parents but her grandparents, sorry, her grandparents had passed and after they did pass away, the family had struggled financially. Just because of the fact that her father was a huge alcoholic. So they ended up having to move and they moved pretty often.

Erhart ended up completing high school in Chicago in 1916. And she attended, I don't know how to pronounce this school's name, O'Gonce. Put it in the chat. Let me send it in the chat. That's it's in the chat. Oh, Gantz? Yeah, Gantz. That's what I just said. But I don't know if it's like emphasis on the Z. But in Rydal, Pennsylvania, she attended after her mother received inheritance and later on, Erehart was actually visiting her sister in Canada, finally enough, and while she was in Canada, she realized that she cared so much about wanting to help people, specifically wounded soldiers in World War I. So she left junior college to

become a nurse's aide in Toronto for, it was actually two years later after she enrolled in school. And she entered a pre-med program after the war in New York City at Columbia University. But she left in 1920 for California to see her parents and that was her first time actually taking an airplane ride. And yeah, so she, this airplane ride actually changed her life because this is what led her to then start taking flying lessons. A year later into taking flying lessons in 1921, Earhart bought her first plane, which was a Kenner Airstir and she even earned... Do you know how much she bought it for? Girl? No, I don't.

Hey, you're the one who thinks, you say, she bought a plane, I say for how much? I'm so sorry, I don't have the amount she bought it for. A couple of doubloons. Doubloons, yeah. She bought it with money. But it was a Kenner Airstir. I'll tell you the type of plane she bought. And she did earn her pilot's license two years later. Honestly, that's pretty, I don't know, that's kind of a concept of playing. When I was younger, I wanted to get a pilot's license. I don't know, I thought it'd be cool.

Oh yeah. But like to fly like helicopters rather than planes. Oh, I'm more of a boat person. Yeah, we know. The wing of Mr. Muscat. During her life, she became very passionate about women's rights as well as celebrity culture. She, like I said, was the first female aviator to fly across. She even flew across the Atlantic Ocean alone, and she set so many other achievements and

records. I could go into them. But as lovely as they are, you know, I don't think I'm going to right now. Maybe later on. But I do want to go over a little bit about the fact that, you know, all of us knew about her disappearance. You know, I, like I said, I don't know about you guys, I learned about Amelia Earhart when I was in elementary school. Yeah. The world's biggest mystery. Um, one of them. I would say one of them. One of them, yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, Amelia Earhart took flight in her twin-engine Lockheed Electra around

the world alongside her navigator Fred Noonan in 1937. They began their journey on June 1st. They departed from Miami and they headed west and they would continue to fly, making some stops along the way to refuel until they would reach Ley, New Guinea on June 29th. At that point, they had already traveled 22,000 miles. And then from there, they decided to leave Ley and they headed for Howland Island on July 2nd, which from that point was approximately 2600 miles away. So doable compared to the 22,000 that they did before. Yeah. And Earhart actually had an intermittent radio contact with a US Coast Guard cutter, Etasca, I think is what it's called. I love cutters.

Etasca had actually received calls from Earhart. They received one about an hour after she departed. And her last known words were, quote, we are running north and south, end quote. And so after this, there was, I'm not entirely sure when they found out that she was missing or what led them to believe that she was missing. But they ended up having a search organized to find Noonan and Earhart.

But the operation came to an end after they were both declared lost at sea. People from all over the world wanted to know what happened to them. And so a lot of people, because of the fact that there were no answers, they just came up with their own. So I'm going to go a little bit about... Isn't that what we always do? Yes, yeah, of course.

I'm going to go over the conspiracy theories on Amelia Earhart. Yeah. And so I was originally just gonna kind of do what Kai did, go over like a history lesson on Amelia Earhart, which I still could, but I think I would do it for another episode. For now. Listeners, right in. Do you want us to? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you want Alexis to give us a history lesson? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'm maybe I'll add in a couple more ghost stories from the Queen Mary also. That'd be cool. Little bonus content. Yeah. Maybe I'll just make funny little witty comments as I... Yeah, that'll be handy for my community. We can just take like an extra like 15 minutes or so just to go for like a little more info, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. But if you don't let us know, we won't do it because we won't know.

Give us engagement. We don't have a Patreon. I'll let you know. As if we would right now Okay, my mom was described My mom wants to listen to the foggaz and I'm not letting her I'm sorry We could do like a dollar fifty a month. I feel like it's more like a co-fee. I think you're looking No, the question is what would we give them? That's why I think you would rather much bugs be more efficient to do a kofi is like oh, it's like

You don't give anything back most of the time rule or we could do like like Like we could do like logs like we could do like logs. Just send selfies. You're going to start interacting with us so we can interact with you listeners. Don't interact with these folks. Alright, let's go. Alright. Amelia Earhart.

Yeah. So Amelia Earhart, I tried to, well, I don't do the math. I think it's 87 years since she's been missing. Okay. She's still a lot of time. There was like, okay, this isn't this isn't a part of the conspiracy theories that I'm going to share, but I'm going to share it anyways. I saw this on Instagram or something, but there was at one point where it was blowing up on,

I think, TikTok about, what was it? Snow crabs or something? Coconut crabs. Coconut crabs. Coconut crabs. What? Yeah, yeah. There was a conspiracy theory that Amelia

Aher's body was on an island and that coconut crabs were eating her. So that's why there was no body found and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Well, the theory is that her and her partner had like they had crashed onto the island or they got, somehow they landed on the island and they were like out of fuel. And eventually I think they die of starvation and then the coconut crab

eat our body and therefore there's no body left. So instead of them eating the coconut crabs, the coconut crabs ate them. Well have you ever seen a coconut crab? No I have not seen a coconut crab. No those things are huge. They are giant. They're huge.

See where there's a will, there's a way., they're big. That's a lot of meat. Probably not a lot of meat, but a lot of shell. You can still try. Anyways, Alexis. Yeah, that's a conspiracy theory that I heard about. That's like one of the ones that I knew about first, I guess. So I'm going to be sharing about five for today. There's I'm sure there's a lot. What? What did you say?

Is that like theory number one? Or are we now getting like? No, now we're getting into it. So there's six in total. So six in total I guess. Yeah. Okay, number one coconut grabs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm going to be sharing six conspiracy theories for today. I already went for the first one. This next one, it involves kind of the same thing. Most of these conspiracy theories start off with the same thing usually. Coconut crabs? Yeah, there's coconut crabs in the cold beach and you never see one of them. But there was a theory that Earhart had crashed and sunk into the ocean and drowned. So theorists say that she ran out of fuel, was trying to find the Howland Island and

that and she she had actually called the Atasca, the cutter that I mentioned earlier. They received many calls by not only Earhart but Noonan saying that they're where they were low on fuel and they were struggling to find the island. So the president at the time authorized a $4 million rescue, but when they performed this, they found no trace of the aircraft, Noonan or Earhart. So that theory wasn't necessarily something that was proven to be true. There is another that some believe she crashed and landed while safely. So she landed safely is this theory,

but on the wrong island. So again, is when it becomes like she was low on fuel and when people are low on fuel in a plane, there's only two results, you either crash or you land. And so the International Historic Aircraft Recovery Group. I'm sorry, as you're saying that, I'm like, are you sure? I hate you. The International Historic Aircraft Recovery Group had believed that instead of landing on the Howland Island,

Earhart had landed on the Gardiner Island. But at that point, they didn't they hadn't found again. At that point, they hadn't found the plane. So it was not necessarily actually taken seriously. Some people don't believe either. People actually believe that Earhart was captured and taken prisoner by the Japanese. So there's this photo that was found in the National Archives and it's a photo of this man and a woman and they're sitting next to, or on the dock and the man and the women, they kind of resemble Erhar and Nuenen.

It shows them in the Marshall Islands sitting sitting on a dog, like I said. And the theory is that they didn't crash, but they landed in the Marshall Islands and were taken prisoner by the Japanese. There was actually a retired government investigator, Les Kinney, who told NBC News that the photo quote clearly indicates that Earhart was captured by the Japanese and quote even though the Japanese authorities had no record of Earhart ever being in custody or anything like that. So that was essentially proven wrong, I guess. And then this one is probably my favorite. She was a spy. She was a spy. So not only was this girl a darling pilot. What? Was Amelia Earhart a spy or was that her cover-up?

It's like spyception what I'm gonna this is like tenant. This is like really mind-boggling She keep going the way so she was Just a normal pilot, but Beneath she was a government agent. The author of Lost Star, Randall Brink, actually kind of talks about the theory a little bit and how she never intended to fly to Howard Island or Howland Island. She was actually going on a mission to document things that were going on on the Japanese island installations for the US government. And

when they were detected by the Japanese, they were shot down and forced to land. So that's the theory as to what happened. When it comes to that? I don't know. Like, I guess I can see it, but I don't. I think it's much thought. I think what really drove this theory is that there's a photo of her leaving the U.S. Embassy in London and she's smug. And so some people are like, oh my god, she's a spy Him I don't know. I don't know forbid somebody smile in a photo Seriously, especially a woman during that time crazy. It's also kind of pretty

She is pretty she's pretty we don't need you guys being gay for Amelia Earhart. That was a joke. That was a joke. Please don't be mad at me. I'm mad at you. I can't remember what she looks like. Let me look up a picture of her. She actually is pretty in my opinion. I don't know. She just looks like a normal gal named Amelia Earhart.

I don't know. But they look definitely like a woman. She's actually pretty. She looks like a normal gal named Amelia right I don't know but she's actually pretty she looks like a normal gal you're not compliment her on anything she has a nice smile well there we go a little bit too gay I guess I'm a sucker for smiles. Okay, anyways. There was a book published in 1970 called and oopsies Amelia Earhart lives. Okay. I basically just talks. Oopsies. Oh my God, you muted me. No, you are doing something. I'm not doing anything other than speaking.

But. This book basically just talks about the fact that this person believes that Earhart. Faked her death or yeah, faked her death or yeah faked her death and assumed another woman's identity. Because she was a spy. Yeah yeah exactly exactly so the author of the book Joe Klass. Joe Rogan, okay. Oh my god, Joe Rogan. But he basically talks about how she survived the plane crash. But used as a way to kind of cover it, but that she was taken by the Japanese. And then she was found and rescued by the US forces and then she was secretly

like taken away into New Jersey and she assumed the identity of Irene Boleum, a housewife. Irene? Uh, Karen talks to you. Karen talks about Amelia. What? Irene Bolam already existed. She even filed a lawsuit. Good. She was like, no, I'm not Amelia. And so she denied the claims and filed a lawsuit on the author, which I thought was pretty funny.

I'm glad. Yeah, I would do the same thing if I were her. Anyways, if they showed up at your door and they're like Amelia, Amelia, and you're like, no, actually, if people know, no, no, it's like the government came up to my door and was like Amelia Earhart, is that you? I'd be like, yes, it is me and then they would handcuff you and they would take you off to a prison and you will never get to see transylvania oh romania i know you would never get to see romania that's okay that's okay why can't you get so close to your mic? I don't know.

Me? No, me. I think you were trying to make it sound like spooky and scary. Yeah, I was trying to scare her. You'll never get to see. Romania. No, it's okay. I don't have to see Romania.

I've already seen Romania. I've been there, done that. Anyways, yeah, those are all the conspiracy theories that I have. I know recently, I think, I'm not entirely sure, they found her plane is what is being claimed right now. Yeah. Yeah. I think I heard of that one. Yeah. That there was some plane wreckage spotted. I believe it was spotted by like the deep sea drone that they had put down there. So like in the ocean. It's000 feet under. Jesus. Oh, I think that's different from the theory I heard. But there's a lot of theories out there. Yeah, there's a lot. Crazy. Yeah. No, like in it was a while ago. It was like, it was like freshman year, I

think. And I did like a present research project, like a semester-long research project on deep ocean exploration. And it's crazy. At that time, I don't know now, but it was like only 30% of the ocean floor is actually mapped out by us. And there's still so much to discover. And like, no, it's just insane. The ocean is insane. I Mean what you can tell it's insane when you told your story of the Queen Mary and how big was that wave again? 92 feet. Yeah, I was I've noticed something 92 feet It's insane Yeah

Is that the story of Amelia Earhart and conspiracy theory? Yeah, that is the story of Amelia Earhart and the conspiracy theories. Thank you. Thanks for sharing. Thank you. I love coconut crabs. Yeah. Have you seen spider crabs? Huh?

Yeah, spider crabs. I fucking love spider crabs. Don't even get me started, man. Those things. Okay, you can see them at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. They're great. They're giant. They're so sick.

You can touch, you can pet deep sea isopods at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Yeah, I didn't know there was spider crabs there though. Yeah, there's spider crabs. They have like a whole deep sea section and I remember when I first went there I thought oh man those are some freaky statues and I get up close and I'm like oh god it's a lie. I think they're great, they're creepy, they've got like weird long bodies. Japanese Japanese spider crabs are so weird. They're so cool. Alright, well. Milo, take it away.

Yeah, Milo, do you have a story to share with the listeners? I do. With us? I have a very, very quick story. Oh, that's fine. Very, very stupid story. No, it'll be fun. Good way to end it. Where are you taking us? We're not taking us.

It's a, you know, it's a city with love. It's a city with lights. With love? That's what I was gonna say. Okay. I guess. No. San Francisco. No, no, no. Paris.

It's better than all those places. It's better than Paris. Oklahoma. No, no, no, no, no. That's not better than Paris, homeboy That's not better than Barry's homeboy. My story is not going to be that long because the creature I'm talking about. Oh, good. Okay. I'm going to be talking about Nightcrawler. I'm talking about Nightcrawler.

Shut the fuck up. Let the man speak. But I'm not talking about the Nightcrawler. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about the Nightcrawler. No, I'm not talking about Nightcrawler, the 2014 movie starring Jake Gyllenhaal. No, I love that movie though. Love that guy. I'm not talking about the Spirit Halloween animatronic circa 2020 Nightcrawler. No, that's not the one. I'm talking about the Fresno Nightcrawler, one of the, in my personal opinion, dumbest cryptids to bless the state of California. Oh yeah, it makes sense that it's in Fresno, then. One of the dumbest cities to bless.

Damn. Shut up. What? I'm from, like, next to Fresno bro that place sucks no I uh no one's allowed to dis my lovely state of California I was dissing Fresno like specifically it might be a shithole but it's my shithole I'm actually sitting down. Anyways, yeah I'm talking about the Fresno Nightcrawler. The legend starts in 2007. One day a man named Ho Se noticed that his dogs were barking for seemingly no reason. Confused by their behavior he decided to

check his security cameras to see if anyone or anything had passed by. As he watched camera footage, he spotted two strange figures. They were small and pale, and honestly, they looked like a pair of pants! Oh my god. What? Small, pale things. Pants-like creatures had walked through his backyard during the night. Shaken by this experience, Jose reported what he saw to local authorities. No way. And that's it.

No way, Jose. Sort of. He reported a pair of bands. Let me actually send you guys the video. That way you can see exactly what I'm talking about. Did the authorities take it serious? Of course. I'll get to that. Okay, okay.

Watch his video and tell me what you think, tell me what you think this is. Okay. Because it looks like a pair of pants to me. Wait, wait, okay. I think I've seen this before. Yeah. It's probably the most, probably the most popular thing to come out of Fresno. It truly is just a... That's a certified hood classic right there.

The grainiest, the grainiest of security camera footage. I would be scared too. The walking bear of bands, man. What year was this? 2007, right? 2007. That's when the first initial story of the Fresno Nightcrawler or Nightwalker, sometimes that's what people call it. It really is a pair of pants. There have been sightings afterwards. There have been other sightings. afterwards. There have been other sightings. But is this the only like video of it? No, there's multiple videos. There's a video from Yosemite. That one looks a lot different.

It looks like there's like some type of head. You know that. That's what a lot of people have said people when they um oh for some reason it's it's weird yeah it's weird no there's on i'm still on the youtube video and one of the comments says that's why i keep my pants locked in a closet so they won't escape no the comments on that video are absolutely hilarious. There's some other ones that I absolutely love from the video. Wrong trousers, gromit. It reminds me of that monster in Monster's University.

Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, you know which one I'm talking about, right? No, that's what it was. That's what it was. Um, no yeah, there's other, there's been other sidings. See, but the other thing is a lot slower. Okay, the Yosemite one just looks like a very skinny person walking like with their hands just pressed to their sides. But is there something walking behind them too?

Yeah, I think there's like a kid or like a little dog or something is what it could be. I don't know. It's walking as slow as the thing is. You know what? It almost seems like someone put a sheet over them and only shows their legs. And like put stilts on. That's actually a theory. That's a theory that somebody is wearing stilts.

Yeah. I love that. Okay. What about the tiny one though? The tiny one is weird. A child. I'll get into it. OK, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're they're they're truly one gangsta till the pants start walking. You got to tell us why it's called the Nightcrawler, though. OK, yeah, I can't hear you. Yeah, I want to be honest, there truly isn't a lot to say about the Fresno Nightcrawler. It has only four air quotes, sightings, end of air quotes, that have been caught on video. All other examples. Please link these videos in like a post, in like one of our posts or something.

Yeah, yeah, we'll put them, yeah. The comments in the Yosemite video are so funny. No, they're hilarious. The comments in the Yosemite video are so funny. No, they're hilarious. They went through both of the videos. They made me laugh. I would hang out with them. They seem pretty chill.

I think one of them says tiptoeing in my Jordan. Oh my god. Crying over this, it's a mama and her baby. Nature is beautiful. Heart emoji. Alright. Okay. Okay,. All right. Okay. Okay. But yeah, there's only been really around four sightings or

four confirmed sightings and all other ones have been debunked. Because it's been proven that the other videos have either been, you know, like puppets or somebody walking in a weird way with just, you know, wearing pants. And like a lot of cryptids, there are different recounts of the original story and it leaves me with so many questions. My initial description of the story is very, very short because from there truly isn't that much information. And a lot of things, when you go over the

articles talking about this, a lot of them change things that happened in one story to the other, like how I said, Oh, it happened in his backyard, but others say it happened in his front lawn. Sometimes the story is that Jose was awoken in the middle of the night by his dogs barking. And then others say that he woke up the next morning, he could hear his dogs barking, and was like, what, what are they barking at? I can't see anything. Let me go check You know footage from last night Yeah, others say that his brother like that he had a brother and

you know, he got his brother up and they needed to go check out what was happening and brother up and they needed to go check out what was happening. And that some say that they immediately called local authorities and others say that he, like the next morning went to like local news stations to talk about it. It's very confusing. And they only ever talk about this guy as Jose. He doesn't have any last name. What? This is such a sad little case. He's just Jose and I was searching so hard for an interview with Jose. And I found one that was deleted. It was a podcast called forever Fresno where this guy interviewed Jose.

I could only read the description of it. This guy interviewed Jose. But the thing is, Jose would only speak in Spanish, even though he also knew English. And so Jose would translate or had to get his questions or answers Translated to another guy, but the other guy did not want to be I think in the same room This weird game apparently this weird game of telephone and In the description it talked about how Jose had mentioned Native Americans and how a Native American tribe had come into contact

with him and what that could mean. I have no bloody idea. This, the mention of Native Americans and this being connected to a Native American tribe has come up in other articles. Do they ever explain? No. Why would they do that? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And then I tried really up and down to find the transcript or the audio for this. And I even so as far as took the risk of possibly downloading it only for it to get me a 404 mess. Oh my god. Virus now installed on your computer. Yeah, I'm good. That's how they get it. That's how the Fresno Nightcrawler comes and says it.

Yo, it's aliens that steal your data. Oh my god. Where do we? So yeah, I have so many questions. Who the hell is Jose? Why is he so bloody vague? And what the hell am I looking at? As we go down to Long Beach for the Queen Mary, let's make a stop in Fresno and try to figure out who this Jose is. Track down Jose. Honestly, we're going to be like, do you know Jose? And they're like, what? Like who?

17 years later, we're going to try to find out. Jose Nightcrawler? Jose Nightwalker? Nightcrawler Jose. So what are the Fresno Nightcrawlers? Some people say they're aliens. Yeah. Some people say they're pants. Some people say they're pants.

Jay, I know you mentioned that you thought you saw like a little head. There's been artistic renditions of the Fresno Nightcrawler where they... People have done, I can't remember the word for it but you know it's when you make footage a little bit clearer analyzing footage and they're like oh the Fresno Nightcrawler. It's among us. It's among us. I have a weird question.

Does Fresno claim the Nightcrawler as their cryptid or do they not care or deny it? They do. Okay, they do. They do. Some of the artistic renditions of them have gone pretty creative. that it's um, it has like very tiny arms, like T-Rex arms. That's cute. I would hang out with this guy. So is he a per- like a dinosaur? No, no this isn't a dinosaur.

I know, I know, but you're saying how there's different renditions. Yeah, there's different renditions. Some people classify this as an alien, some people classify it under the paranormal of it actually being just a severed pair of pants just walking around. That's so weird. Like pair of pants just walking around But those are usually the domain those are the usually the two main It's either a ghost or it's an alien But it's really what it truly is, is just a creature. It's a creature. It is a creature.

It's just gonna have a creature as a pet. What? What? What? What? What? What? What?

What? Nothing, nothing, nothing. Okay, Milo, keep going. So yeah, that's the Fresno Nightcrawler. Truly not a lot is known about the Fresno Nightcrawler. And I hope it stays that way. You don't want to read us over the Nightcrawler? No, no.

We're going to take you to Fresno so you can find the nightcrawler. I would rather die. Maybe we'll see Jake Gyllenhaal there. I think as soon as he sees the exit to like Fresno, he will start fighting to get out of the car. I think he'll just jump out of the car. I'll be the one driving immediately crash. And they're like, Oh man, Milo, now they're going to fix the car in fresh snow.

And we're going to spend the day there. I a fate worse than one time I was driving back up to here from like Riverside and I got like 45 minutes out from Riverside and I got a flat tire, like my tire popped because I hit a pothole. It was like the middle of the night, so I had to spend the night and the next day in some random ass city, random ass town in California. And I was just like, I forget even what it's called anymore. It was like Glendora, California or something like that. And it was like, it was so stupid. Yeah, I've had a similar experience in my camping trip from hell.

Oh my god. Well, it wasn't that bad. I was being dramatic. It wasn't that bad. We were in like, we were very, very up north, like on the border of Oregon. Me and my buddies like we were very very up north like on the border of Oregon me and my buddies who are trying to go camping and The car while we were trying to get to the camping site the car stalled No, that's not good. I was like, yeah, we'll keep pushing. It'll probably be fine and then stalled again and we were like Nope, we're going back. We go and see. We spent like five hours trying to figure out what was wrong with it. And so we tried to go to the camping site again.

We get hopelessly lost and we're like, nope, let's go someplace else. We tried to go to the other campsite, but we're running low on gas and we're not 100% sure we'll be able to make it or God forbid, how will we make it back the next morning? And so we're like, it's getting dark. You know what, we're going to call it a day. And we stayed at this, we stayed at this horrible motel that and we couldn't close the blinds for the life of us. So the windows were just open,

just three dudes. No, not in the same bed. Someone was in the couch, someone else was, who knows where. No, there was, there's two beds. Okay. That's it. Cool. That's the end of my camping story.

The Fresno Nightcrawler. That was the end of my the Fresno story Fresno nightcrawler I I love this. I love this thing. I think Whatever it is. I Don't think it's an alien. I don't wait, please. Please keep your drawings up as well We could use if you'd like we could use these as a pictures for the nightcrawler. Yeah these as a pictures for the Nightcrawler. Yeah. Literally just, yes.

You're really wanting my shitty, shitty drawings. All of them. All of them are great. The coconut crabs too, and the spider crab. And yeah. I made two versions. Oh good. So good.

Of the skepticism one. We might have to start commissioning Milo to like draw things for our episodes. Oh good. And then I'll- I love your art style. So fun. This was funny. Um and then I'm very proud of this one. That one looks so good. Also I love how we all have like a school

uniform. Well it's because it's based on those 70 photos of us. No that's great. I don't mind at all. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, Milo, please send them all to us. Yeah. You get to see my shitty art. Okay. First guest episode completed. Yeah.

That's awesome. I think Milo's at a high standard for every future of fucking test. We're going to be expecting art from all the other guests now. Yes. That's fucked up. You're fooling people. No, I'm joking, but thank you for coming on. I think the Fresno Nightcrawler is a deer.

Or it's faked. I love the Fresno Nightcrawler. I would love for the Fresno Nightcrawler to make a comeback It came back in 2020 somebody in Poland said they saw it. We should get a nightcrawler It would just be a pair of pants. Yeah Like what's the mouth the zipper? Yeah, and it only has one eye which is the button. Yeah. That would be really fun.

Well Milo, it is. Yeah. If our listeners want to know more of you or like stalk you, where can they find you? Like follow you like socials? Nowhere. I'm not on social media. Milo is a ghost. nowhere. I'm not on social media. Milo is a ghost. If you want to contact him, contact us and then we'll send him a pigeon. Please don't. Okay. Do you take commissions? Do I take commissions? Yeah. I will draw your mom for five bucks. You only- You heard him folks. I only draw moms. You heard him folks. If you want your mom drawing for five dollars, let us know. We'll reach out to them for you.

Yeah. Reach out to us and then we'll send Milo a carrier pigeon because that's the only way we can communicate with him. I'll probably respond in three to five business days. Don't worry. Yeah. Solid. worry. Yeah solid solid Well, that's a wrap Thank you for listening to episode 9. Thank you. Thank you all episode 9 in the books. It was a good one you Thanks for being here Milo or no, thank you

He's spooky and once again reach out to us We're lonely. Yeah Okay, stay skeptic. I'm lonely. And stay sane. Yeah, keep your pants in the closet. Lock them away. Yep. Anyway. Bye. Bye. I was wondering where my I see you you