Chambers of the Occult - Episode #2 Digital Horrors and Jazz Age Shadows: Deciphering the Kitten Killer’s Trail and the Axeman’s Terror

Episode Date: January 27, 2024

First, we venture into the digital era's dark side with the "1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick" case. A tale of online videos escalating into a heinous crime, this story weaves through the labyrinth of the internet, leading to a global manhunt. The merging of digital footprints with real-world evidence creates a modern detective saga that captivates and horrifies in equal measure.Next, we travel back to the jazz-soaked streets of early 20th century New Orleans, where the haunting story of the "Axeman" unfolds. We delve into the investigations, the fears, and the myths surrounding this elusive figure, exploring how the story of the Axeman became a legendary chapter in American crime history.Our final tale takes us to a secluded location, where a family encounters something beyond the realm of understanding. A presence that speaks, yet remains unseen, stirring both fascination and fear.  We explore the bizarre occurrences, the debates it sparked among experts, and the legacy of this enigmatic entity whose true nature remains a subject of debate to this day.

Chambers of the Occult may contain content that might not be suitable for all listeners. Listener discretion is advised. hi welcome to chambers of the occult welcome back welcome back jay hi and we got alexis i said my name yeah she said her name okay i heard both of you at the same time and I wasn't sure what name came through my name's Alexis yes sorry if you're here

to listen to episode 2 congratulations on sticking around thank you thank you for coming back I don't know why you did but we're grateful we really are. And once again, we have three stories for you. Woo!

Nice. Kai, would you like to- So I'll be starting it off with a true crime, and then we'll progress after that. All right. You guys ready? Yeah. Cool. So.

Oh, yeah. My, huh? Nothing's gone. Oh. She's ready. Sorry. All right. You're wild.

Okay, you're ready. Okay, cool. So my story today is a true crime case. It's Luca Magnata and the murder of Jun Lin. So this actually happened in Montreal, Canada in 2012. So yeah, actually, so pretty recent. When I was doing some research for this, there was like, you know know interviews from like like justin trudeau like the prime minister of canada and i was like this is so like this happened not long ago um yeah that was 12 years ago yep so the victim his name was Jun Lin. So he was a university student that moved to Montreal, Canada. He originally came from Wuhan, China. And so he came to Canada for school. And he basically just

said that Canada was a more liberal place. He was not openly gay, but he was just a lot more comfortable in Canada. That's why he did move. So the murder did happen in May of 2012. And Jun Lin, he was stabbed multiple times and also dismembered by a man named Luca Rocco Magnata. So that was the name of the murderer. I and lots of people tend to use Jun Lin's name rather than Luca's name, because really the entire reason Luca did commit this murder is for fame um he he wanted notoriety and so it almost feels wrong to to keep saying his name and give him that that acknowledgement yeah exactly exactly it's like yeah fair okay so we're talking it's the story of Luca yeah so Luca Magnata and Jun Lin. So yeah, Luca Magnata, in May of 2012, he stabbed multiple times Jun Lin with an ice pick. He then dismembered Jun Lin's body.

And what he did is he, the police found the remains of the torso, the arms, and the legs, but what they didn't find were his hands, the arms, and the legs, but what they didn't find were his hands, his feet, and his head. Were they like spread around or like all chopped up and all thrown at the same place? So what happened is it was an apartment building. It was found outside in the dumpster, right outside by the janitor of the building. He found an old suitcase that was locked up. And he was really curious as to what was inside because he said he saw maggots coming out of the suitcase. He opened it up and he couldn't believe his eyes, of course. That's when he called the police.

So the police went on this manhunt and they were trying to figure out where these hands, these feet, and this head was. And it wasn't long after when these potty parts started turning up on the doorsteps of the Canadian political party's head offices. So Luca... They were getting shipped. They were getting shipped. So Luca had shipped the hands and the feet to the Conservative Party's office, the Liberal Party's office. He wanted to make himself known with this.

And again, that ties into the fame of it all. No one gets left behind. Yeah, it sounds like he... Was there letters attached to them? There was. So the police only ever actually released one of the letters because they didn't want any copycats in the future to say any of the others. But yeah, he did include letters with these, and it was basically just a big fuck you to the people that were trying to find him, because he lived for the chase. He wanted the attention, he wanted the fame. And so that's really why he did that. But this murder starts, it's a much bigger thing than it actually is right now. And it starts a few years prior is when the buildup to all of this did happen. So Luca Magnata's real name actually is not Luca Magnata. He was born on July 24th, 1982 in Scarborough, Ontario, Canada. And he was named Eric Clinton Kirk Newman. Kind of a long name. Every time I try to pronounce it, I'm like, why such a longic clinton kirk newman it's like a tongue twister

it sounds like the parents took a name from like different tv shows and then put them together that's kind of what they did um like the you know the clinton the Newman, they were all homages to like actors that their parents had liked, essentially. Oh. So I find that really interesting. They just threw a bunch of names together. And honestly, yeah, I don't like the guy, of course, but I think Luca Magnata is cooler than Eric Clinton, Kirk Newman. Yeah. Also, I just, do you know what his zodiac sign is what he's a leo what is it he's a leo he's a leo of course he would want the attention and it's so okay where was i i don't know speaking of attention it's just it's not funny but um

in years prior he uh he really tried to make himself known as like a model an actor he even you know really took up lots of uh like pornography acting um and things like that and he never did um he had many attempts at notoriety, like throughout his lifetime he auditioned for reality TV shows, but he was just, he was never let in. He was shut down. And of course that probably was what helped to drive him to doing something so extreme as well. Yeah. Was there like knowledge of like the type of personality of person he was? Yeah, he was very self-centered. He was very vain and he really was very cold to anything and anyone outside of himself.

He only cared about himself. So much so to the point that throughout his career, he would create different forums on the internet, Facebook pages and stuff. Literally just fan pages of himself that were created by himself. And he would flood them with different fake profiles that he made, just saying how hot he was, how in love they were with him. But it was all him. It was all him, yeah. Bro really didn't make it, and he was like, let me just kill someone.

That'll get me the fame I want. But before this, he definitely had to work up to it. He didn't just start killing out of nowhere. He actually sort of did have like an early background in criminal history. So in 2005, he was convicted of one count of impersonation and three counts of fraud. What did he impersonate? He impersonated a, she's like a mentally disabled woman. And so he took advantage of her and he convinced her to just apply for a bunch of credit cards. And he then spent, he purchased $10,000 worth of products from Sears, the Brick audio video stores. And then on top of that, he was also accused of sexually assaulting that said woman, but the charges were dropped.

So he did get convicted of that, the impersonation, the fraud. He pleaded guilty, and he got a nine-month sentence after that. But it was also noted that Magnata had some psychiatric issues. I think he was diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was a little bit younger So that's sort of the start of his criminal activity, but that was way back in 2005 and He kind of dropped off after that. Nobody heard much from him. He was just trying to you know, gain his popularity And it wasn't until 2010 when a YouTube video was posted, and it was titled

One Boy, Two Kittens. And that was posted by Luca Magnata. No. And you guys want to take a guess on what was included in this video? No, I genuinely don't. It just sounds bad. Yeah, it really was. Alexis? Is she muted? Hello? Hello? Stand by, technical difficulties.

Again? Hello, stand by technical difficulties. Again. I feel like every time it's with her, she might have to try to comment the whole time and she's just not able to. Yeah, that's probably what happened. I was saying. Sorry, I was saying, I don't, I don't, I don't think I want to know, but I know I need to know. It's a lot worse than you guys would even think. I'm going to preface that. So, this video and other later videos, they do still exist on the internet.

They're very hard to find because they've been pretty much wiped from as much as possible um i've only seen clips of them myself i haven't seen any of the full videos whatsoever okay but you're gonna tell us what it is even though i don't you don't wanna know so what happened What happened? It's a very grainy video. It's shot in like a point of view, like from Luca. At the time, And that actually seems insignificant now, but it came more into play a little bit later. I'll explain that. But in this video, it starts off with two kittens that are sitting on his bed. And at the start, it looks pretty innocent, pretty nice. He's petting them, he's caressing them, softly playing with them, even. He then transitions to setting the camera down. And from there, we get an angle of him grabbing these kittens putting them into a vacuum seal bag

and you hear the sound of a vacuum turn on and uh you can you can put together what what happens after that together what happens after that. So this video of these kittens being suffocated goes viral. People are enraged by it, they're upset, they're up in arms, and it gets to the point where actually some internet sleuths, you know, they get on the case they form a facebook group um and they dive headfirst into finding out who this vacuum kid and killer is that's what they initially named him was there it was did he show like his face on the video or was it just like no so he was wearing like a like a thin blue hoodie with the hood over him the entire time. And the camera was really positioned behind him, but he would turn and so you could see a side profile.

He had like kind of bushy, like fringed, like black hair in front of him. But you got a pretty decent side profile out of the videos as well. Never got to look at what he did look like, though. So this video blows up and it gains the attention of so many people who at first maybe think it's a joke or maybe can't believe that it's real, but eventually it sets in. So now there is a whole following of trying to find out who this man is um these people online they pick apart they watch this video frame by frame by frame they look at every piece of info and detail in that room and one of the biggest things that comes up is that, first of all, they see the electrical outlets on the wall.

And they narrow down the countries by that. They know it's somewhere in North America. They look at the doorknobs. They point to North America. the background of this video, they hear what was later identified as two Russian men speaking in Russian. And so they're like, okay, we got him. He's in Russia. But they realize that there's a click at the end of the video and the sound cuts out. And at that point, they know it was a recording. Okay, that's what i was gonna ask yes so at this point they know that this is for attention they know that luca wants the chase

they know that this is what he's trying to do and that's why it's intense he's always wanted the chase but this is like the first moment where he actually someone really did it yeah yeah so this happens and you know that um that wolf bed sheet that i that i mentioned oh no so they take that they find they try and look for that exact blanket and they find one single eBay listing of the exact blanket that was made and they check it and there has it has been purchased only one time ever so they're like okay we're getting somewhere we're getting somewhere but then they realize that the seller ships internationally and it was shipped internationally. So they're not sure.

But the seller was based out of the United States, but it was shipped internationally, which means it kind of narrows down. It cancels out the U.S. for his location. Yeah, it could have been anywhere. Exactly. So it doesn't help much, but they're getting somewhere. help much but they're getting somewhere um now for maybe the next year this group online is trying to figure out who this man they're committed they're committed he kind of drops off he stays a little bit on the down low he doesn't want to exactly get caught just yet now Now, it wasn't until November of 2011, a year later, that he posts another video.

What's this one called? Um... Bathtime, lol. Carry on. Yeah. And in this video, it starts, again, grainy camera, him holding it. He's in a bathroom, and there's a bathtub with water right in front of it. And from the left side of the frame, swings in a cat that is taped to a stick that he's holding. And I'm screaming and screaming. Yep.

Yep. You can see the fear in the cat's eyes. Did you find this clip as well? I saw a little bit of it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Go ahead ahead this case is horrible yeah like like when i tell you it was hard to research this it was um yeah so he he drowns the cat. And again, everyone

is enraged and everyone wants this guy dead. And I did too. Yeah. Do you know if he, like, posted it under the same name or, like, the same account? Like, how are same name or like the same account?

Like how are they? That was the same guy. So they he actually did post through a different couple accounts, but they all knew it because it was the same like profile of him. It was the same rainy camera quality. I believe. I forget which one it is but like at one point from one of the videos he himself like sent it to that facebook group under like a uh fake account like which meant that he was in the facebook group and he was following the investigation on himself. Yeah, and he was like, either they're getting warm or they're getting colder. And for whatever reason, he sent them a video.

He gave them enough to know that it was him, but not for any actual details out there for them to know. So that video happens, but a month goes by and he posts another video. So this time he likes the attention, he wants to be chased, and he's taunting them. He's taunting them by sending them more videos. Of like, you can't catch me trying exactly exactly how long was the gap between the first and the second video um it was about um like a year and a few months so it was from that to just one month to one month yeah Because you move from that to just one month.

To one month, yeah. So in this third video, it's actually him feeding a cat to a python snake. He lets the cat go in a room, and you see a snake slither in the background. And it strikes really too fast to really even notice what's happening. At this point, these videos gain somewhat of like national like news exposure. Because before this, it was really just the online like sleuthing community that was really up in arms about this but at this point these videos have been on the news and it's it's gotten so much attention which luca probably loves yeah no for sure exactly so um after that uh after that does happen because of all of the popularity and everything like that

there's actually like a there was like a a reality tv show of like uh pet rescuers i forget what it's called exactly but they joined in on the investigation as well and they actually posted up a five thousand dollar reward um to reward to bring the kitten killer to justice. Is that what they called him? The kitten killer, yep. The vacuum kitten killer, kitten killer. Yeah. So, were they able to do something?

Sorry? Were they able to do something? Yes and no. The talk and the investigations in these Facebook groups continued until eventually there was a man. He went by, like, his Facebook profile name was, like, Jamzy Rams a lot in his ass okay um and he started posting he posted like a youtube link of um sorry i'm blanking what it was but i think it was um him like killing a cat or something like that um and people were like oh my gosh like is this is the guy like is he in our group and he posted this so they ask him they straight up just ask him are

you the kitten killer and he says yes he says yes so people are we got him. We found him. But did they? They don't know where he lives. They don't know where he's at. They don't know how to find him. and they find out that he committed suicide because of the backlash that he was getting. And that also meant that he was not the kitten killer. Oh. So throughout this process, there was like the guilt that came from thinking that maybe we got a person killed. But really, that's ultimately not what it was. But people were so adamant that it was this guy that so many people completely gave up. They stopped looking for him. They were like, we found him. We found the guy. There is no point in looking anymore. Most people did did but there was still a couple more people who really

you know didn't believe it and they kept on investigating there were the people ones that have like doubts when it came to like yes i am yes okay um i think the two main people uh one of the guys in that group his name was john green um not the not the modern John Green we know. The author? Not the author John Green, but it was another guy named John Green. I can imagine. No, when I was first researching it, I was like, John Green? I was like, what?

Why did you get involved with this? Someone with the same name. Exactly, yeah. Wow. John Green and a lady named Deanna Thompson. And so those were the two that, like, spearheaded this online investigation towards it. So, in 2011, that's really when the investigations and when those videos take off. So Deanna and John, they continue investigating, and eventually they figure out that Luca was located in Toronto, Canada. and that's where he recorded those kitten killing

videos. So what they do is they reach out to the Toronto police and they try and get support. Of course, they're not believed at first, but they present enough information to where they're like, okay, well, at least go check out, you know, what's going on um oh what the heck i forgot to mention throughout this process um they get comments uh they get messages on facebook saying the person you're looking for is named luca magnata so wait was it him giving his own name away? Yes, it was. So he literally logged in and sent them his own name, basically confirming this guy, confirming that he was in Canada, and from there they narrowed it down to Toronto. It's pretty amazing what they did, and I think there's too much detail for me to really go into here. Um, but actually there is a, uh, there's a Netflix documentary on this case as well. It's called Don't Fuck With Cats, um, which I think is a really good name.

I think it's appropriate. Yeah. Great documentary. If you're interested in this case definitely check that out um it's probably gonna do a better job at telling the story than i will uh just because it's told in like three hours of time i'm doing like a quarter of that probably um but yeah so they eventually find out that it's it's this guy that they're looking for is named Luca Magnata. They find out that he's in Toronto, Canada.

And so they contact the police. They actually send, they go through his social media. We lost Alexis. I think her audio messed up. So she's like, I'm going gonna log out and then log back in okay my audio keeps messing up i promise i'm listening okay as long as you're listening i kind of like i heard like a little whisper here and there and then i heard you and i was like whisper here and there and then I heard you and I was like you know you can comment on the story right yeah no I was trying to but okay am I loud enough yeah yeah good okay okay I'm sorry continue no you're good okay so John and Deanna they never give up. They are nonstop tracking this guy for the entire two-plus-year process. They go through his social media, they track his posts to see where he's at, and eventually they start using Google Maps to literally walk down the streets where they think he's posted his pictures from to figure out these locations. And they find his apartment building. They find a picture where,

you know, he took it from. So they send out a Toronto officer. He talks to the people at the apartment, the owner, the manager, and figures out that a man named Luca Magnata did live there, but he recently just moved to Russia. Oh, whoa. Oh, whoa. And so they tell us that, or they tell them that, so Luca's gone, but is he really? You know, like how it wasn't actually confirmed that he was. Maybe he just left a little bit, moved a little bit away. Is he really? You know, like how it wasn't actually confirmed that he was.

Maybe he just left a little bit, moved a little bit away. So after this, though, they do kind of lose him. They don't know where he's at. They, you know, he goes quiet for a bit and there's not much they can do what he knew what he was doing oh yeah he knew what he was doing and so this period of just waiting drives like deanna and john like crazy they they need to know what's gonna happen they've been tracking this guy following this guy for over a year now almost two years and actually in this process it gets to the point where what and then they get so close they get so close yeah um they get so close they put themselves at risk even um because uh actually at one point um so diana she were she lives in in las vegas or she did

um and so she worked at like a casino there um one time she got a message on facebook to a to a video link and that video was like a point of view camera of like walking through the casino that Deanna worked at which meant that Luca knew where she lived and worked that was meant as a threat exactly exactly it was um so they they they really committed to this is what I'm trying to say like Deanna and John they were in this and it wasn't just like some silly internet thing that was going on yeah no i feel like at that point they're like already too involved to step back 100 like how can you just let this was like i was was watching this documentary i was watching those clips i was doing my research and i was like devastated by what was happening and i was like how could someone do this and i'm so glad that people were trying to catch him for it yeah yeah

respect like yeah i don't know and like i've i've researched true crime cases before and things like that but something about this one it just put me in like just not a great mindset i think it mindset. I think he just goes to show that it's like the torture of those animals and everything was just, it's inhuman and it's not cool. No, not at all. Anyway, so he's dormant for a little bit. And it isn't until May 25th of 2012 when another video is uploaded to bestgore.com. And it's titled, One Lunatic, One Ice Pick. No. Oh. Yeah. And so following with the theme of those previous videos

yeah yeah i don't really think you need to say it like person or was it a cat person oh he had moved on he'd upgraded um but the the the worst part about this is that Deanna and John and the internet people and their small private group they knew this was going to happen yeah it was only a time before it escalated not only that like logically

but they had I forget if it was like a message from Luca or a note or something, but in a sort of cryptic way, Luca said, you'll see me again, but next time it won't be pussies, is how he put it. Yeah. They knew he was going to move on to murder. And so, of course, what Deanna

and John did is they reached out to the Montreal police department because at this point they knew that he was in Montreal. They had gone through the pictures. They had found through Google Maps that he was in Montreal And the police department completely ignored them

Whoa They did not receive the messages And Deanna eventually even turned to Twitter To publicly try to get their attention But of course nothing happened And this was all before they got that video right before the murder video yeah so um we later find out that like i don't know they weren't responding because the lead detective was on vacation or something like that um which is

like come on you should probably be checking those rantic emails. And if that's your only detective for all of the city, you have to tell you. You really do. And it's crazy. Like, Deanna, John, everyone, they are, this is the most furious they've ever been. There's the guilt, there's the shame, there's the sadness, there's the helplessness of them trying, of them giving anything, getting any notice from the Montreal department saying that there is going to be a murder and is going to be committed by a man named Luca Magnata.

So there's that helplessness there and once they see that video it all became real yeah that's one to get involved exactly they they knew they were like we told you we told you there was going to be a murder, and here it is. Now what are you going to do about it? I can only imagine, like, the guilt that they felt, because they knew it was coming. Exactly. And that's, like, I don't know. I would never want to be involved in any part of this. But if I dedicated so much of my past two years now trying to catch this son of a bitch,

and then he goes off and murders someone, and we knew he was going to because he told us he was going to, but the police didn't listen, I don't know would i don't know i don't know what i would do um and that's the crazy thing it's the fact that you have no control over what happens that like makes it worse like yeah yeah and so yeah i know like realize go ahead oh like i know like deanna, she took it really hard. Like she retreated and she went silent and she just felt terrible for it.

What were you going to say, Jay? No, because I was going to say that you have all this evidence of like previous, you know, things that he's done to animals. And then you get this letter and then you go to the police and then they say they can't do anything or like they ignore it and then that's when you feel powerless because you're like but there's so much evidence here and it's all just been ignored yeah Yeah. You know, this case. So Montreal Police Department gets on it. They actually didn't find out about it through the video, though. What had happened is, if you remember how I mentioned that janitor found that suitcase?

Yeah. Wait, was that the body? Yes. Yeah. that was the body um so yeah in in the video in the murder video it it shows the the multiple stabbings it shows the dismemberment um it shows everything it also even shows a bit of, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to put that there. But also, in that video, you can hear a dog. And at some point, you can also see that dog.

So, the janitor, he finds the suitcase, he finds the horrors that are inside, and he calls the police. Of course, they come right over, they investigate, and they find the torso, they find the arms, the legs. But like I mentioned, they didn't find the head or the hands or the feet and they're just perplexed by this but they start looking through the other trash because it was dumped right next to a dumpster um they see some some other blood and they find um they find a shirt that we later find out was jun lin's we find um receipts, or you actually see like prescriptions from a local pharmacy for the name of Luca Rocco Magnata. And so the police get this name. But their first thought is Luca is who we have here. Like this is Luca's body. That's the body of Luca. Exactly.

Because that's the logical thing. Yeah. Because you're finding clothing, body parts. Exactly. Prescription drugs for Luca. Yeah. Yeah. So the primary detective, she's like, okay, well to you know figure out if if this is the

luca that i'm looking for uh she continues to look through that trash and she finds a little black dog in the dumpster dead as well it was the one it was the dog from the video yeah she doesn't know that, of course. Yeah. You know, everything kind of gets put together later on. And it's just like, it's crazy that one group, like online, watched it happen. And that's how they knew. But then the police, they only found the remains and the body after it happened. And so they're sort of working separately.

And it wasn't until that detective finally gets back from vacation and checks the email and is let known about all this thing. And so finally, sorry? Please tell me that the detective is Matt matt that they didn't tell him before i probably yeah okay because that would be as well um so finally the police get the video and they watch it and they're like wow like you you guys were right. And for once, we are watching a murder happen. So that's when that investigation really, really takes off. The police go to search the apartment that they knew Luca was staying in.

But they find that it's completely clean. There's nothing wrong in there, but the officers actually say that, like, they're very suspicious about it because it smells like chemicals. Like, it had just been cleaned, of course. Yeah. Yeah. So they continue to look for this guy,

but they know that he dumped the body. So, of course, they're going to check the cameras. Yeah. And they see it was like 2, 3 a.m. Luca made like 20 plus trips back and forth, just disposing things into the garbage. plus trips back and forth just disposing things into the garbage um and so at this point they're like okay we think we have a suspect yeah we need to find him and then they you know that's when the um the body parts start showing up at the political headquarters and And so what they do is they grab these packages, they can intercept them, and they track down the post offices that they were sent from.

Oh, that's right, because the bond workers got mailed to them. Exactly. So you can track down where it was sent out from. They go to that post office, they get the camera footage. Again, it's the same exact guy. So at this point, they're like, yeah, this is our suspect. This is our suspect. So they start to look up after this, how Jun Lin even got there in the first place, the victim. How he lured him in, how they met. got there in the first place the victim you know how he lured him in how they met um so they check the the footage going into the apartment building they see night then the night before um the body

was found they see jinlin and luka manada walk in together later Later that night, they see Luca walk out alone. And then he comes back in a little bit later, and he leaves again. But I think one of the funny things, it's not funny, but it's not a better way to describe it, but it shows Luca's personality again is like in the security camera footage, there's this big mirror that is in like the lobby of the apartment when he walks in. And when you're watching it, he just stopped at the mirror for like a minute and just like checks himself out and makes his hair look good. And he seems completely unfazed that he just murdered somebody. Like it's just another day for him. Exactly.

So he did not care. It was for the attention. It was for the fame. Yeah. And he takes this life. And that's... Yeah. It's almost like...

I gotta make sure I look good for either when they catch me or we're like... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah So after this they tracked down all those packages with the body parts So is Yeah, they're they get sent to the conservative party, the liberal party. These, Afoot was sent to a boarding school, an elementary school.

It was just anywhere to get, like, the attention. Yeah. anywhere to get like the attention yeah so eventually um they know Luca as their suspect they're trying to find him and um Luca being Luca he flees the country so um but he does leave he does leave they he goes international and arrest warrant is issued for him by the Montreal police. At that point, they already have pictures, right? Or are all the pictures from the cameras? So they have the camera footage, but they basically confirm that it's Luca from this footage. from this footage. So he gets like a Canadian arrest warrant for first-degree murder and all of this other stuff. Later in May, May 31st of 2012, he actually gets like a red notice from Interpol. So like the international police are on a manhunt for him at this point good yeah and like it's

it's good but at the same time isn't it you're giving him exactly what he wants yeah yeah and that's the problem it's like how are you supposed to handle this situation handle this without giving the attention to him yeah yeah i don't know um so he traveled through europe he um he made his way through through france through germany uh through these other european countries and uh they tracked him down so they tracked him through his time going yeah during that whole time he didn't upload another video did he um no I don't I don't believe he did okay doesn't mean he didn't do anything but no it does not like he certainly could have done some stuff but it seems like he's doing it for attention not just yeah so no one finds out.

Yeah. Yeah. So they figure out that he flew to Paris from Montreal on May 26th. He used a fake passport for that. They traced his phone signal to a hotel. They investigate the hotel. But, of course, he's gone by they leave so he you know travels then uh to germany to berlin germany um and i think the um

one of the most i guess ironic parts of this case is how Luca was caught. He was eventually caught and arrested on June 4th, 2012 by the Berlin police. He was found at an internet cafe reading news stories about himself. reading news stories about himself. No. Okay. I thought you were going to say that he got caught, like, in a pet shop. But he would get caught reading about himself.

It's interesting that you bring up pet shop because one of the things they learned about him is that like he he used craigslist ads to find the kittens that he was getting and to also find jinlin as well but one thing he put in his like descriptions for looking for a cat he was like oh like my my parents owned a pet shop um just to give some like uh come trust yeah exactly yeah and so that's where he was getting the kittens from um and that's terrible yeah yeah so um magnata was arrested June 4th, 2012. He appeared in court the next day on June 5th. He was then extradited back to Canada. So he was given back to Canada on June 8th of 2012, where he was basically just placed into solitary confinement at a prison there. So he actually was, his trial was delayed for a really long time, actually. his preliminary hearing on June 19th, June 21st was that. Sorry, early meetings, but it wasn't until March of 2013,

so the next year that he had a preliminary hearing. And then he, in 2014, was actually when all of the final charges were like finalized so super recent 10 years ago yeah yeah um yeah you know like what they sentenced him to or like Yeah, so he was sentenced to a life sentence and then 19 years on top of that as well for the other charges. So, yeah, he is still currently serving his sentence now. sentence? his sentence now. but yeah. do you know what delayed it so much? what delayed it? or was it like you put it on your lawyer? not sure. honestly not sure. I think

it was just like, it was so complex of what he had done and the like international um aspect of it that it was just hard to very like like iron out the legal proceedings that they needed to do yeah so also throughout his um his like trial period uh his one of his lawyers resigned and I'm sure that delayed things as well honestly I think it goes to show that his lawyer was probably just sick of him like yeah like I being a criminal defense lawyer is already like bad especially when you know like they are a murderer yeah but I feel like Luca was just so like self-centered and narcissistic that his lawyer just like couldn't take it and i don't blame him no neither yeah wow um so yeah

charges of you know first-degree murder indignity as a human body destructive of obscene materials um criminal harassment all sorts of different charges on him um but surprisingly i don't i don't know if it like was detailed here but like it doesn't seem like he has any charges for like animal cruelty or anything that's what i was gonna ask yeah yeah that's the other which i find interesting that's what i was gonna ask yeah yeah that's the other which i find interesting so sometimes i don't know how accurate it is or if it applies to like canadian law or something if someone has like multiple charges against them like and this is like also animal abuse they could drop the animal abuse and that way for some reason he's found not guilty or it's a mistrial now they have another thing to charge him with

okay i get it yeah i don't want to stack them on top of each other because in case like something goes wrong they need something to fall back on yeah and they have something oh that makes sense actually that would that's something i learned recently cool yeah yeah so sometimes like we carry like cases that people have like so many things against them but like they drop certain charges it's for that reason in case like there's a mistrial or they don't have enough evidence to convict them yeah because they can't be like at least here like in the u.s they can like double jeopardy but they have different charges to go against them so the the case also had like some pretty big reactions in china as well because jinlin of course he was a student who came from china and so it traveled back um you know the the reactions were pretty big. Some people thought it was like,

you know, racially motivated or anything like that. But yeah, it's crazy that like, it even went over to China. And that's how how bad this case got. Yeah. Do you know, like, what listing he had on Craigslist? Yeah, so, for which one? Like, for to meet Jun Lin or to get the kittens? Oh, Jun Lin, yeah. It was a, so it was a Craigslist listing. It was, like, looking for a sexy guy to have fun with.

And he was like, we're going to film a film a video and it's gonna be a fun video that's what he put in the listing um of course we know what that video is unfortunately um but but junlin didn't um yeah so it was, especially back then, you know, Craigslist was used by a lot of, like, mail-for-mail hookups and things like that. And so it really didn't look suspicious. It didn't look off or anything like that. It blended in with everything else. You might have done it before, and that's why he's like, oh, like, it's fine, I've done it before. Exactly, yeah. Do you know how old he was um how old jun lin was when he got murdered Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he was 33, and then Luca was 29, I believe. So, you know, Luca was still chasing that fame, and that's what it got to. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah? Oh, sorry. Continue.

No, you're good. You're good. I didn't really have much to say, so. I don't know. Hearing all that, it made me want to cry a little bit. No, seriously. It was puff. Yeah. This is like animal cruelty.

Of course, murder when it comes to like a person. It was a lot. And the fact that you watched those clips. Yep. Yeah. You have to. Some of them were through that the documentary don't with cats some of them were also me like trying to find the video and view a little bit more of it

um but it it was tough yeah um thank you kyle i literally i literally literally texted Alexis. I was like, I can't do this shit, man. I was like, this is... I was like, how are people like this? People are horrible. It's so sad to see what people are capable of and what their thought process is. They have no remorse or compassion for people or animals. It's those people

that make me lose faith in humanity. But then there's the people with the Facebook group that I'm like, no, there is good people out there. So, one more thing I want to add is that Luca Maynard is actually married currently.

Oh, God. He got married to another inmate in 2017. His name is Anthony Jolin. And Anthony is also a convicted murderer. So they're married. They're entitled to their visits to each other. They now are serving their sentences at two different prisons, but they still get to visit each other, apparently.

That's so sweet. They're visiting each other. Yeah. Love, lost, and... I don't know. I don't know. Maybe don't let two convicted felons murder and that murdered people

visit each other. Yeah. They probably realized that and that's like why they separated them to separate prisons, I think. Wow. I do want to ask, where was that documentary on? Netflix. Really good. it's like three hour long

episodes okay yeah wow and so it's like it has like real interviews and like recounts from like deanna thompson john green um the officers who in montreal who are involved with lots of people. So it's a really good watch. Definitely suggest it. A day that we're feeling emotionally strong. Emotionally able to take that in. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, after what you told us and like, yeah, yeah, for sure. It can't just be like a day like I'm bored. No. No. Okay, cool. Wow. Well well thank you guys for listening oh thank you water yeah i get a water break wow meanwhile alexis can start telling us about kind of nervy. Okay.

You're good. So there was a lot on this story. I don't I've tried my best to condense it down. But I just kind of want to give a warning that there is a lot.

I do want to say this. I don't want to get into specifics as to who the suspects are for this case. Just because I don't want to give out any false information since these are suspects. Is it a recent case? No, it's not recent at all. Okay, but it's unsolved. It's unsolved. It's unsolved and

the murderer is unidentified. Oh, but a spoiler. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. Avoid spoilers and leads with the biggest spoiler of all. Cut it out. Cut it out, cut it out, cut it out, cut it out.

Anyways, stop! Okay. My case is under the axemen of New Orleans. Or N'orleans. N'orleans. N'orleans. Or Nor-leans. Nor-leans. Nor-leans. You just, like, offended, like, everybody from Louisiana. I know. I was, like, I was going to, like, oh, sorry.

Sorry, Nor-leans. Okay. Okay. So this takes place, you know what, Nor-leans, Louisiana. This takes place, you know what, in New Orleans, Louisiana. So, as I've mentioned, the Axeman is unidentified, but he did murder six people and injured another six people within the year of 1918 until 1919 and there are a lot of different patterns a lot of things that you know crime analysis and criminologists have observed but again it is still left unsolved due to the lack of kind of evidence. So the the axeman, he would often break into the victim's homes and he would actually kill them with the victim's weapons that they had in their home, either a bat or an axe like their own axe or sometimes he would use a straight razor and break in like unarmed and then like arm himself with something in the house

exactly yes um but a lot of people thought he was just a robber and you know he wanted to or he murdered these people in order to cover his identity but within all the murders that he held there were no evidence that he even took anything from their victims homes oh yeah which is in my opinion even worse um but he had this pattern of breaking in through the back of people's homes removing a panel of the back of the door with a chisel and he would leave the panel and the chisel right on the floor by the door for the police to find but they'd noticed that there's no fingerprints left behind no evidence of any dna and so he kind of i mean i i would imagine that's one of the things that they were able to connect and be like it's the same person yes yeah that's the that killings but um he would he would be known to attack their victims homes

but not actually take anything from them which is really bad but another pattern that they have noticed is that he was specifically targeting italian americans or italian immigrants so it is possible that all of his killings were racially motivated yeah yeah and there's also been in some cases crime analysis have observed that he might have been tied to the mafia as well which is interesting yeah there's a lot of different theories on this case there's a theory that he would only kill men because they would get in the way of him killing the women he would be specifically targeting in in that moment there's a a theory that it was actually inspired by jazz music so the x-men actually wrote a letter and the letter is interesting i will read it but um it does

actually mention some interesting things in it i'm gonna pull it up right now so I can read it to you guys. All right. Yes. But it basically, it says, I should have been more prepared for that. Yeah, good. I'm not going to lie, I let out a little bit of a giggle when you said the X-Men because it sounded like the X-Men. Yeah, I realized that. You can still hear me, right? Yeah, I can hear you. Okay, cool. So it starts off with him saying,

Hell, March 13th, 1919. Esteemed mortal. They have never caught me and they never will. They have never seen me for I am invisible. Even as the ether that surrounds your earth, I am not a human being, but a spirit and a demon from the hottest hell. I am what you Orledans and your foolish police call the axeman when i see fit i shall come and claim other victims i alone know whom they shall be i shall never know i shall leave no clue except my bloody axe besmeared with blood and brains of who whom i have sent below to keep me company. God damn.

Yeah. If you wish, you may tell the police to be careful not to arouse me. Of course, I am a reasonable spirit. I take no offense at the way they conducted their investigations in the past. In fact, they've been seen so utterly stupid as to not only amuse me but his satanic majesty Francis Joseph etc. but tell them to beware let them know let them not try to discover what I am for it were better that they were never born than to incur the wrath of the axeman. I don't think there is any need of such a warning, for I feel sure the police will always dodge me, as they have in the past.

They are wise and know how to keep away from all the harm. Undoubtedly, you Orleanians think of me as a most horrible murderer, which I am, but I could be much worse if I wanted to. If I wished, I could pay a visit to your city every night. At will, I could slay thousands of your best citizens, for I am in close relationship with the angel of death. Let's be exact, at 1215, earthly time, on next Tuesday night, I'm going to pass over New Orleans. In my infinite mercy, I'm going to make a little proposition for you people. Here it is. I'm very fond of jazz music, and I swear by

all the devils in the nether regions that every person shall be spared, and whose home a jazz band is in full swing the time I have just mentioned. If everyone has a jazz band going, well then, so much better for you people. One thing is certain, and that is that some of you people who do not play jazz out there on that specific night will get the ax. Well, as I am cold and crave the warmth of my native Tartarus, and it is about time I leave your earthly home, I will cease my discourse, hoping that thou will

publish this, that it may go well with thee. I have been, am, and will be the worst spirit that ever existed either in fact or realm of fantasy the x-men um so that's the letter he wrote yeah also i as soon as you started saying new orleans x-men and jazz i was like i don't know who you're talking about like not name wise but the only reason i know of him is because of american horror story oh i've never seen american horror story so i don't know did you ever watch it kai yeah i've watched the first and second season but okay not much after that it's the i think it's the coven yeah it's coven oh the coven okay i like the ax man's literally walking down the street with like an axe i think um and i think like the inner monologue is like that letter like they sure enough for sure um but you can hear houses playing jazz and then he hears one that's not

playing and that's the one he goes into oh okay yeah good thing i'm learning the drums let me play some jazz so i don't like but bro literally thinks he's god like yeah yeah he literally thinks he's the spirit you know like a the most evil spirit on the hottest like not the holy spirit but like the opposite. The complete opposite. Do you know how many people got killed before he sent out this letter? How many people got killed before he sent out the letter?

I believe it was about three. Okay. So he was already murdering people and then he had murdered three more. He built up his confidence quick then. Yeah. Reading that letter oh i hate jazz every single night honestly the very start of it sounded like and honestly was

going to be the start of like a cool like poem or something and i was like if this guy wasn't like a murderer like that's actually good but then it just digressed into, like, what he wrote. And I was like, oh. I am in close relations with, like, the angel of death. Yeah. I was like, what is bro yapping about? I don't know. Yeah.

I don't know what was going on in his mind. But the night that he mentioned where he said he was going to kill another, the Tuesday night, 1215, no murders were committed that night, which, you know, it was good. Do you think people actually played jazz? I'm not entirely sure about that, but I would assume so. If I saw that that was published and i knew that jazz would save my life i'd play it yeah so it wasn't like the police it was like published unlike the it

was published on the newspaper yeah it was published on the newspaper um and but the police had received it first okay okay i think if it was like just published i'd be like oh what is this dude talking about but like knowing that the police also got it i think would be like okay yeah i'm playing jazz like jazz is going to be on 24 7 in my household the police officer was playing jazz yeah if that's what's gonna save my life i'll do anything plus i love jazz i don't know but um i am going to name the victims now but um it is very sad i don't if you guys want me to get into specifics as to how they passed away you're more than welcome to ask me those questions but as a general kind of way to tell this all their names because there's so many i'm not gonna get into deep detail

okay do you know ask me i'm more than welcome to answer i don't know if you can do this but i was gonna ask you i was like are you gonna name them by like household i'm gonna name his like in order who he had killed first. Okay. Just in general, they were all killed with an axe? Yes. There was ones that

was killed with both an axe and a straight razor. Like I said, those were his two main weapons. But yes, those were his two main weapons. But yes, they were all either killed or injured by an ass. Okay. So the first killing, it was actually two people.

One had survived the attack, but had later on passed away. So this is the story. I am going to mispronounce these names. I am so sorry to anybody who is listening as well as you two. I'm going to do my best, but Joseph Maggio was an italian grocer um he was actually with his wife when he had been attacked they were both attacked with straight razors um joseph had survived the attack but had unfortunately passed away just a few days later. And his wife had passed away not too long after the attack. When it came to Catherine, his wife, Catherine Maggio, she was actually, they both got slit

in their throats using the straight razor. But Catherine was cut so deeply that her head was nearly severed yes um so unfortunately she did not survive long after and that took that actually took place in um may 20 on may 23rd 1918 they were both in their homes sleeping next to each other when they when um the accident had broken into their home and then the next was June 27th, 1918. Louis Bessemer. If you need me to spell out these names, I'm more than welcome to spell them out. But Louis Bessemer and his mistress at the time, Harriet Lowe, were both attacked.

Louis had survived the attack and lived afterwards. Harriet had been so severely injured to the fact that she had passed away a few days later in the hospital after she had surgery. And they both got bashed in the head with the fact he had. And then the next is Anna Schneider. Anna Schneider is probably one of the sadder ones for me. They're all very sad, don't get me wrong. But this one kind of hit hard. It was August 5th, 1918. She was eight months pregnant and she was attacked in her home. Yeah. She had her head bashed in with an axe

that she actually had in her home. She thankfully did survive the attack. She does not remember it at all. She has no recollection. She did give birth to a healthy daughter as well

after this good yeah that's good that's the yeah yeah and then there was joseph joseph romano joseph romano he was an elderly man and he was actually living with or at the time he was with his two nieces. And this took place actually on August 10th, 1918. His two nieces were Pauline and Mary Bruno. and Mary Bruno. And at one point, the nieces had actually heard a commotion going on in the middle of the night when they were at home.

And they found Joseph Romano with his head cracked open. Oh, God. He had passed away two days later. There was... He survived away two days later there was he survived for two days he did survive for two days

with his head cracked open that's what I was going to comment on as well it sounds like a lot of the victims are surviving the initial attack yeah he didn't follow through or like yeah he couldn't like finish the kill or something. Yeah.

Anna Schneider, the woman who was pregnant, she actually had her, if I'm correct, actually. Yeah, she had her scalp cut open and her face was completely covered in blood. cut open and her face was completely covered in blood so he from what it seems like to me he tortures them to the point where honestly if i were them i'd win yeah like it's it's less about the actual kill itself and more so like how much pain he can inflict yeah yeah that's something that i've noticed yeah and then there i don't know how to pronounce their last names at all so i'm giving it my best yeah um charles rosie and mary cordomiglia cordomiglia. There we go. Charles, Rosie, and Mary. Charles

is an Italian immigrant, father and husband. Husband to Rosie, father to Mary, who at the time was two years old. They were all in their home when of course the Axemen had broken into their home

and had attacked. Actually, what happened before was that Charles had heard a noise, and so he went to check up, and when he came back, he noticed that Rosie and Mary had been attacked. Rosie and Mary were attacked in her sleep. And Mary, who was again, two years old, unfortunately passed away because of how hard he had bludged her with the ax. Rosie had survived, but was holding on to her daughter, her deceased daughter in her hands, just trying to figure out who would do such a thing,

especially when they are just sleeping in their home. Yeah, that's heartbreaking. That happened on March 10, 1919. And then there's Steve Boca, August 10, 1919. He was attacked in his bedroom. His head was also cracked open, but he managed to recover from his injuries. So he did survive. Okay. That's good.

There was Sarah Lawman, September 3rd, 1919. She was 19 years old. September 3rd, 1919. She was 19 years old. She had a horrible head injury and was missing teeth as well. Oh. She does not remember the attack at all, but she did survive. And then there was Mike Pepitone. He was attacked in his home as well, struck in the head

after seeing a dark figure looming over his bed, and he was covered in his own blood. Eventually, he had passed away within that same night. But that was the last killing that the Axemen had ever done. Do you have a number total of victims? Twelve, but six of them had passed away. The other six had just been severely injured. Okay, that's still a lot, though. So, 12 attacks in total?

Yes. With a 50% mortality rate, apparently. There's a lot... Yeah. There were a lot of different suspects, which is why I don't necessarily want to go into detail about them

all, just because there are way too many to count. None of them were charged. There's got to be like a main suspect, though, like a main two, right? Yes, there is a main one. His name is Joseph Monfrey. He was shot to death in los angeles in 1920 and is that when they what did he happen what they so colin wilson he was one of the criminologists on the case. He had been kind of speculating over Joseph Monfrey for a while. He'd just been trying to figure out if there was any

evidence that would tie him to these murders. There's not too much backstory on Colin Wilson. All that we have is that he is a dark-skinned male, and he was living, again, in Los Angeles at that time. But there's no... He got put on the suspect list? He got put on the suspect list, but again, he was charged with nothing. Why would someone from los angeles get no did he like travel to new orleans because at first you said at first you said la and i was

like la is in los angeles or louisiana but los angeles yes definitely but yeah Los Angeles. Yes, definitely Los Angeles. But, yeah. Interesting. Sure. There's nothing that really says why they thought it was him. That's what I was trying to do research on, actually.

That's what I was trying to figure out. I was like, why he was one of the people on this list. There's a lot of different people on this list. A lot. But, again, none of them were convicted. And there's no evidence of really anything when it comes to these murders. There was, like, no, like, fingerprints or anything else?

Nothing. There was nothing which makes you think like wore gloves all the time ready to like when they knew they were going to commit a murder I just I don't know I don't understand I don't know I just

reading this what sucks the most is that for me I don't understand i don't know i just reading this what sucks the most is that for me i don't know all those people had passed away and there was nothing that anyone could have done to find out like no justice or anything yeah yeah and from the survivors like none of them could like identify him right like they had no no there there was the nieces they had they had seen a dark-skinned male in the home but they didn't catch any facial features and so all of it was really just yeah because it's also it's new orleans like yeah dark-skinned male doesn't really mean anything no yeah and so it i don't know i was hoping i would find something to kind of be able to

connect it with the people that they had on their suspect list but you know there's really nothing to tie them together which is why i felt they were kind of insignificant to the story um yeah i didn't really mention them ever like you anyone about the case kind of like like i says like a suspect about the case? Kind of like a suspect? Had they interviewed any? Yeah. Like questioned anyone or anything? No. Well, they did question. Let me find their name, actually. They had questioned, oh it was just Mumphrey that they questioned actually, Joseph, the suspect that had been shot in Los aggressive and assaulting people but again he lived in california and so there was really no way no record of him ever going to new orleans um yeah that's why i'm wondering like how did he become a suspect then yeah interesting like like i get that there was like no evidence yeah but like they had to have found something i don't know the closest thing that they really found

is that at one point he did have a charge on him for assault in new orleans but it was so long ago that it wasn't anything that they could actually use for the current story, or the current case. It was more of like a one-time you... Yeah, almost like a one-time thing, I guess, for him. Yeah, like years ago, you committed this one crime in

New Orleans, and now you're a suspect in this case. Mm-hmm. I guess the killer, like, he... He's delusional, sure, but, like he he's he's delusional sure but like he's he's smart yeah that's what it's like like he everything was planned he knew what he was doing and he never wanted to get caught is there like any theories of like maybe his profession or anything like that um other than there's no other theories as to like what he could have been.

When I was reading it, I was thinking like maybe he's like a lumberjack, but like there's no, there's nothing in the article. Maybe he's like a pastor or something. Yeah, there's like nothing in the article or anything that shows that they could kind of indicate what he could could have done for anything really do you have like do you have like the link to his like letter that he wrote or anything or i can send you photos okay or i can i think i can find a way to crack the code yeah this is like the zodiac killer all over again yeah well i guess this was would have been the original zodiac killer

because this was what 1918 yeah 1918 was his first killing and the victorian killer yeah And the Victorian killer. Yeah. Definitely was. Let me find the... But yeah, my story, it's... It's not too long, so apologies for that, but... No, that's okay.

Is that it? Yeah, that's it. I really just wanted to focus on the victims more than anything, just because the suspects or even him didn't really need that much of an audience. yeah i really just wanted to focus on the victims more than anything just because like this is the suspects or even him didn't really need that much so you you said that all his victims were italian or italian descent right yes for some reason to me that seems like he's ital. Right? Yeah. No, literally what I was thinking too because especially if he's

maybe call me racist but especially if he's believed to be tied to the mafia, I don't know. Are you Or like, you know, maybe his parents abused him when he was a kid and so now he's like, you know,

these Italian people are like substitutes for killing his parents or something internalized racism yeah another theory that i just want to throw out there that might be completely off it's that if he's italian if he works for the italian mafia maybe he was just a hitman maybe and he just took himself way too seriously and maybe that's why he stopped the killings because they took him out because they're like you're not finishing your jobs and that's why he was found in los angeles and shot because they dispose of him there away from the mafia when they're like oh they're gonna come after me because i can't kill people they found him in la and then they okay okay but this is like 1918 it's it's it's hard to get from

louisiana to california yeah so like why was years before yeah that's why i'm so confused why he was on the suspect list from the beginning because I know there was that one charged in New Orleans but there's really nothing else that could tie him to it okay I'm looking at the letter that you just sent us me too yeah so i know it's about a murder but i love the cover art for it yeah it's kind of fun actually unfortunately yeah i think the likelihood of the actual axeman having written it exceptionally slim huh yeah there's there's different theories that it could have been someone else writing it for him or about him.

Interesting. Now I'm like, I need to solve this. Invested, yeah. That's why I'm like, I need to solve this. Invested. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was like, okay. I even pulled out my mom's tablet and everything. I was like, I got to dig in. No, fair, fair.

I'm feeling like Deanna Thompson and John Green right now. I'm doing my internet. You're going to solve over a hundred year old case. I am actually no i like that i'm gonna have to check it out in more detail after yeah i'm sorry it's such like a short story no you're good i found it really interesting yeah no that was like that was captivating i completely forgot about that case until you brought it up and i was like they have that man in American Horror Story. Yeah, I've never heard about it before.

I was going to do... I don't know if you're going to watch it or not, or spoilers. No, I'm not going to say it. Just watch it. It's a good series. Go watch it. I don't even know what it's on. I'll figure it out. I think they have them both on Hulu and Netflix. That's the one with Evan Peters,

right? I think so. Is it? I don't know. It has Vera Farmiga's sister in it, too, right? Yeah, they have Evan Peters in it. He's in a lot

of the seasons. It's nice. Podcast listeners, have you watched American Horror Story? Yeah. Let us know. Comment now. I don't know where you're going to comment. Send us an email about your favorite.

Go to our website and fill out our form. Oh, yes. They're smart, actually. What is it? W-W-W dot chambers of the occult. The occult. Yeah. You don't actually have to type in the W, but yeah.

No, you got to make it extra dramatic. Yeah. Yeah. Or if you also have. Also, send in suggestions and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, there's plenty of cases for us to cover. But if you give us suggestions, we know what you want to hear. Yeah. And we will improve over time. Our stories will get better. Our coverage will get better. And the more you guys are interested in these cases, the more we're going to be interested, too. Yeah. The more we're going to dig deeper into them.

Yeah. Definitely going to get kind of with it. Alexis wasn't muted this time either. Improvement already. I'm not very talkative podcast listeners. I'm sorry. Podcast listeners. Yeah.

Oh wait, we need a name for our listeners. I know, we need like a little cute fan name for them we're going to call them stay no don't trust them to name themselves I don't think they're going to come up with good names

that's why we limited to them I was going to say occultist too occultist it's kind of funny. Yeah. We'll put that on the table for now. Okay. We'll keep it taken or leave it.

Like, subscribe, turn on that bell if you like a cultist. Ready to move on to my story? Yes. Thank you for listening to my story of the Axemen of non-links thank you for telling us

take it away AJ okay so while both of those were heavy stories first of all I had a feeling both of like for some reason I had a feeling that they would be heavy stories so you brought a light one to

counteract it yeah we both did murder yeah which is fine because I actually have the paranormal story so we do have some spooky stuff in here mine's a little bit more

light hearted if there's murder we do have some spooky stuff in here. Mine's a little bit more lighthearted. If there's murder, that's for you to decide yes or no. Not really. I'll be the judge of that. It's not a recent story. It's not

as old as Alexis. Not as recent as Kai's. This one takes place in the 1930s. Oh, I thought you meant not as old as Alexis. Not as recent as Kai's. This one takes place in the 1930s. Oh, I thought you meant not as old as Alexis, as in like her age. Oh, as old as me? Bro. Sorry. Apologies.

Excuse me. I'm only 20. I guess it's an age just between the both of you. No, no. You said it's in the 80s? 1930s. No, 30s. 30s.

Sorry. Yeah. It's a few years after the axe murder man that disappears years before your story pie yeah so for this one we're actually gonna go over the big pond we're gonna go to the british isles okay so in the british isles there is an island called the Isle of Man and just like last week Alexis told a story

about a farmhouse tonight we're going to a farmhouse I love farmhouses they're amazing so this story revolves around a mysterious creature and he's often being referred to as the dolby spook

there's another name but i will say that later because i don't want to like give it away yet but one of the nicknames that is given to this creature is the dolby spook that is given to this creature is the dolby spook okay so the isle of man in the 1930s it's a tranquil island set in the irish sea the island is known for its rugged coastlines medieval castles and rural landscapes so the family that's affected by this um So the family that's affected by this, they're known as the Irving. Irving? Irving? Irving? Irving?

Irving? Irving? Irving. That's hard to say. That's deceptively hard to say. I don't know if I can say that. Irving? Irving?

Irving? Irving? Irving? Irving? Irving? Irving? Irving. Irving. Irrrrrr're not pirates. They're farmers.

The Irving family. And unfortunately, their lives would be forever changed because of this creature. So the farmhouse was known as Cashing's Gap. That was the name that was given to it. And the family was quite small. It consisted of James Irving, who was the father, the farmer, a former traveling salesman, and then his wife, Margaret. And they had one daughter who was a teenager and her name was Voyerie. Okay. Interesting name. Yeah. Kind of like it though. Yeah.

Irving. Now the Irvings were just like a nice family that was well known in their community. They were known for being hard workers and down to earth. And their life was just like regular, nothing eventful happening really. But unfortunately, the events that would start happening would make them known not only in the island, but worldwide. So the story begins in 1931 when the Eyring family started to hear persistent sounds around their farmhouse. And the noises weren't the typical noises that you would hear in a house.

They included knocking, rustling, and scratching sounds within the walls. Okay. Now, when this started, initially James Irving, James, let's just call him James. Yes. Yes, that'll be easier. He speculated that there might be like rats or like small animals within like the walls. So on Sunday, September 13th, he heard something very similar to like a mouse. And he was in the attic, but there was no sign of any animal up there.

He did end up finding a little like wooden carved statue that he thought he had like misplaced but it was just for some reason so he took that yeah um and then a couple weeks later uh james started to hear some cackling oh okay so it, like, rustling and what you think might be, like, a rat, and then, like, a voice. There's, like, cackling. A voice cackling. Oh, God. I would leave, like, right then and there.

Like, get me out. Oh, yeah. And, again, this is, like, the 1930s. So, like, what we now know, it's, like, oh, that's something paranormal. They probably didn't think. Oh, so true. Maybe they did if, like, they were religious and's like, oh, that's something paranormal. They probably didn't think. Oh, so true. Maybe they did if like they were religious and like they went to church and like they told them stories of like sounds like that at church. But like from what I could find out, they just heard cackling and they were like, it's something in the wall.

Something like a weird animal. Yeah. So in addition to the cackling, James started to hear stones being thrown at the door. So like, you know, like when like in movies, like there's like little pebbles. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. Like at the door.

Oh my gosh. I don't like that. That's awesome. Okay. You're going to dislike this as well. One night, James, he was sleeping and he felt that something

spit on him. Oh, what? The disrespect. I'm so sorry, but the disrespect. While he's sleeping, bro, come on. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. You're sleeping and, like, something spits on you. At least wake me up if you spit on me.

Wait, what? And then throughout the house, he found wet patches through the house. Almost as if someone had peed in the house. What? What? Yeah,

I know. Maybe. Honestly, this is just kind of sounding like my puppy, like, you know, like drooled on in the middle of the night, pee throughout the house. That's Jasper. Yeah. So, unfortunately, everything would take a turn because the noises, you know, through time, they would start evolving more and more.

And then one night, the family heard a faint voice no and it was unlike anything they've heard before um initially the voice was unclear um but over time it became more distinct and articulate So somehow during this time they eventually started hearing words. Yeah. And things were getting tossed around in the house as well. I have my shit, I'm leaving. Honestly, you lived your whole life in this little farm where are you gonna go anywhere and i'll live in a shed i'll live in a cardboard box and then there was an incident where uh james and vori uh they said to have seen like a smallish rat-like animal um but the weird thing, they said that the feet resembled human hands. I don't like that at all.

And that they were the size of, like, a doll. You know how, like, dolls have, like, small hands? What? Yeah. That they were about that size. But, like, a big doll. Just, like, pick them up. but like a big dog just like pick them up now um james when he saw that there was like a rat animal in the house uh decided to rat jack you know just so they would have like a something to

call it yeah that's good solid so james called you know it Jack, and he decided to hunt. And he decided that he was going to poison this animal. So he poisoned some bread, and he laid it out. So he left the bread out. And then later that night, they went to sleep. And for almost 20 minutes, they heard horrible horrible screaming like a dying animal what Jack no no yeah

um but the day later the night uh the noises continued so they were still they just heard someone in pain the night before and then the next day the sounds were back like active oh my god now now you really pissed that thing off like this is where we actually have like a number not i wouldn't say a conversation but like it speaks so it was one of the nights um after the jack got poisoned um voyery was in her

room voyery is a teenage daughter and she heard the voice and the voice tells her i am a ghost in the form of a weasel and i shall haunt you with weird noises and clanking chains. So it's not, it wasn't actually going to like harm them. It was just messing with them. So at this point, this teenage girl, Voirie, she's just frightened. You know? There's something that just told me this. A voice I can't recognize. So she told her parents that same night.

And the parents, to solve the issue, they started to disassemble her bed and they were going to move it into their own bedroom so Voyerie can sleep in the room with them. Like, you're not alone like it yeah what are you hearing that like we're not letting you in your room by yourself no parents yeah so as they were just assembling the bed the parents also heard the creature because it yelled out i will follow her wherever you move her

she's got a buddy one that she might not want um so that night you know as they were disassembling that bed and they moved it into their own room they locked themselves in their like their master bedroom um and they had boxes stacked against the door um but there was something pushing against the door from the other side oh like it was pushing with there's force like you could tell like the door was shaking. Oh god. Um and then that night James the father you know seeing all this happen and hearing voices that's when he decided because he tried poisoning this Jack the night before that he might have better luck befriending him rather than poisoning smart valid actually yeah yeah can't beat them yeah you know try it yeah give it a shot yeah um so then james um decided to start leaving food out for jack um He loved him food like chocolate, bananas,

bacon, you know what they had at the end apparently. Like the chocolate, banana, and bacon would go missing. But whenever he left out any type of bread, the bread would be untouched. That's what I was going to say. I was like, how would he trust

that the food is like, fine? No, like, he trusted everything but the bread. Because he was like, he was poisoned by it. He was poisoned by it. With fine shame on me, I would imagine. Yeah. Yeah, so the thing would take the food. And then one day, James found parts of rabbits stacked against the walls in the yard.

Oh. Yeah. So not rabbit, just parts of the rabbit, like, in the yard. Oh, my God. And then Jack finally introduced himself for the first time to the family in early January 1932. And first of all, he said that he didn't like the name Jack. Valid. And he named himself, he named himself Jeff.

He named himself, he named himself Jeff. That's so much better. Yeah. As he spelled out his name, I guess he was not good with grammar. His name is pronounced, it's spelled G-E-F. I love that. I love that for him. What? I kind of love Jeff. What?

And then he claimed to be a mongoose. He claimed to be a mongoose born in New Delhi, India on June 7th. First he's a weasel, now he's a mongoose. I know, that's what I'm saying. So he ended up claiming that he's a mongoose born in New Delhi, India on June 7th of 1852. making him a gemini

which could tell why he gets he's so one way to be loved yeah um now that you know his name jeff this is the story of jeff's name jeff mongoose of Jeff the mongoose. Yeah, and after he introduced himself to the family as Jeff and told them where he was from, he's like, I was born in New Delhi, India on this year. He told them, I am not a spirit.

I am a little extra clever mongoose. I am a ghost in the form of a weasel and I shall hunt you with weird noises and clanking chains. Oh, the clanking chains is not up to play. That was part of what he told Voyery. But he just told the family, I am not a spirit, I'm a little extra clever goose, mongoose. What?

Yeah. Jeff the m Mongoose. You ever heard of Jeff the Mongoose? No. Cool, good. That's telling. This is going to be a different story. So Jeff tried to explain his arrival to the Isle of Man. And it was just a bizarre story and as mysterious as his existence. Because another quote from Jeff, I have a lot of quotes from Jeff. Like he loved to talk.

I want to hear them. Jeff said, I am a freak. I have hands and I have feet. And if you saw me, you'd faint. You'd be petrified. Mummified. Turn into a stone. Or a pillar of salt.

Honestly, kind of poetic. Honestly, yeah. I'm like, sass to him. I like this guy. It does sound like after James tried to befriend him that, you know,

Jeff was like, okay, I'm going to talk to you because you're not going to try to poison me anymore. The Irvings, the family, described Jeff as a small weasel-like creature, capable of moving at high speeds and squeezing into narrow spaces within the house. Yeah. So he was said to be the size of a small rat with a yellowish fur and a bushy tail. Cool. small rat with a yellowish fur and a bushy tail. This is so insane.

He's just a little mongoose. Yeah. So what made Jeff like truly remarkable was not just like his ability to speak. This is a talking monk. That was not where, like, it stopped. Like, there was more to him because his knowledge of events and topics were far beyond the scope of the family's experience and knowledge. He conversed, like, he would talk to them in English, of course.

But occasionally, he would throw phrases from other languages. He would demonstrate the understanding of the world beyond the farmhouse walls. So he spoke, it's quite a list. So he spoke English, French, German, Russian, Yiddish, Welsh, Flemish, Spanish, and Hebrew. Not Romanian? No. Russian, Yiddish, Welsh, Flemish, Spanish, and Hebrew. Not Romanian? No. Jeff? That's dope.

Yeah. Go on. Go ahead. Kai and Go! What? Oh, I said Jeff is an icon. Honestly? He really is.

Oh, I said Jeff is an icon. Honestly. He really is. So, you know, with time, the family became more accustomed to Jeff's presence. And they found him to be more of a talking animal. He would reportedly guard the house. He would actually tell the family when visitors were approaching. So, like, if someone was someone was approaching like to the farm, like Jeff would tell the family

before they even knew someone was coming to visit them. Oh my God. Yeah, he was like a ring camera, like zoom or like get a light. He would also, where am I? Oh, he was also helpful and playful throughout the house as well. And other times as a Gemini, he was irritable and mischievous. So valid.

Yeah, here's some more quotes from Jeff. So this is one of the quotes that, I don't know if it would frighten you or it would just make you think what he told the family. I'll split the atom. I am the fifth dimension. I am the eighth wonder of the world. Yeah, you are, Jeff. Yeah, you are. Honestly, he and the Axeman are sounding kind of similar right now. Honestly?

Jeff is the Axeman. Jeff is the Axeman. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. We solved it. We solved it. We solved it.

His next quote. So he also said, if you are kind to me i will bring you good luck if you are not i shall kill all your poultry i can get them wherever you put them okay talk your talk jeff so valid so that just wants to be loved i don't know yeah that's what i'm saying i relate just like yeah yeah um so he was said to often sleep in voyery's room and like i mentioned he would eat bacon sausage um he would also leave the house um he would write the bus uh and he would and he would bring back gossip about the neighbors

would bring back gossip about the neighbors. Dude, I love Jeff. He's kind of lonely. I don't know what to say to you. Jeff, because it's like, he's not a minion because he'll fuck with you. But like, he's just kind of cool. I'm so glad

you kept this a surprise. Yeah, thank you. I was like, you guys this a surprise yeah thank you I was like you guys need like a light hearted story here it is and then sometimes you'd be talking to Jeff and when Jeff was done with the conversation he would yell out

vanish and that's how he went in the conversation we're not sure if it's like he vanished himself or like vanish of like leave me alone i'm done talking but they heard that multiple times yeah this is go ahead in pain i'm sorry this is like such a crazy but awesome story okay sorry yeah so um so not only was he good at speaking and like gathering gossip um but he was described as also being somewhat of a mimic because he would be able to mimic other animals and even inanimate objects. And his laughter and singing were often heard resonating throughout the farmhouse. So, like, if you were on, like, on one side of the farmhouse Jeff was on the other side, you could still hear him.

Yeah. Yeah, so he claimed to be able to read as well. Dude, this mongoose is sick. That's what I'm saying. But like, I didn't put it here, but I did read it. I did hear it through, I think it was like a YouTube thing. but I did read it. I did hear it through,

I think it was like a YouTube thing. During those times that like Jeff goes out into the public to collect information, I guess he heard something that he didn't like from the neighbors, like talking bad about the iron family. He killed all their poultry. So that's why I'm like, he's great. But at the same time, I'm like, poultry. Oh my god. So that's why I'm like, he's great, but at the same time I'm like,

he's not just gonna like be a relaxed little whatever he is in the house. Yeah. I have some more quotes from Jeff. I don't think he said, he said, I have some more quotes from Jeff. All right. Damn.

I don't think he said. He said, I have been to nice places, seen nice things. I have been to London. I have been to Egypt. And I have been to Rome. And I have crossed the Arctic Ocean. Damn. He's traveled yeah sorry and i feel like this is when he's kind of like threatened the family of like you gotta treat me better because he says i have been to nicer places than this carpets piano satin uh satin covers on polished tables. I'm going back there.

Hump. Wow. He... This mongoose. This mongoose? Yeah, this mongoose. Yeah. So some other roles that he contributed

to the household sometimes. He would guard the house, he would inform the family of approaching visitors. Sometimes he would even repeat conversations that he overheard. Oh. Because, you know, he can mimic voices so you would be hearing the voices of- What? Yeah. Kind of like a jabber jay

stick a jabber jay no way you just brought hunger games into this josh hutcherson oh anyways sorry wow you found a way to like shove him in yeah we brought him up last episode now he's here again no it's crazy no no um but in addition to like being able to repeat conversations that he overheard um he what he also claimed to help with chores um the family would sometimes have instances where um jeff would throw objects at them um but they rarely saw him during this interaction it's kind of like because he was so fast. Apparently, like, it was just like a blur. Like something get thrown at them and then they see a blur.

Or they see the blur and then something thrown at them. Another fun quote that he's had. I kind of just love this one. He says, put the bloody gramophone on. He says, put the bloody gramophone on. So maybe he wanted to hear jazz. I love this. Yeah, he knew. He knew of the ax man.

Yeah. And he knew jazz needed to be on immediately. Yeah. My family often said as well that if they forgot to put the fire out, like the stove, Jeff would go down there and he would put the fire out. Oh, my God. So it's kind of like those stories of like, you know, like if you have an elf in the house and you do everything, they'll help you with chores. But if you like you're lazy, they won't do anything. It sounds like maybe jeff was actually helper if you know he was respected oh i can't hear you guys okay alexis alexis i can hear you

alexis i can hear you guys now okay okay cool another thing is that jeff would also wake up the family if they overslept dude i need that yeah yeah he's really sounding like my puppy oh all right he's a mongoose like Just like Jasper for real. What? Whoa. What do you mean by that? Okay. We're kind of derailing right now.

I think we need to get back on topic. You're good. Some other roles that Jeff had in the house. Also, when mice got into the house, Jeff supposedly assumed the role of the cat. Rather than killing the mouse, he would prefer to scare them, though. I kind of fuck with Jeff. Yeah. He was kind of scary at first, but... No, I mean, the way you started telling the story and everything i'm like yeah it's it sounded like it was leading to like a demonic like entity

yeah i know it literally did you rattling chains and weird noises this is a silly little guy yeah and the way that they actually left the food for Jeff was quite interesting because they would put all the food like biscuits, chocolates, all that stuff in a little saucer. But the saucer would be suspended from the ceiling. Like from a tree or something like that. And Jeff would take the food when he thought that no one was watching. That's a camelish guy too. And then the family also said that

Jeff would regularly accompany them to trips to the market. Oh, sick. But he would always stay on the other side of the hedges. So he wouldn't be seen. Exactly. Yeah. And of course, edges. So he wouldn't be seen. Exactly.

Yeah. And of course he was not old but he had a mischievous nature. Like he would often hide objects, which is why that little carved statue was in the attic. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he would only reveal locations. That was some like demonic offering or something, so. No, yeah, yeah. And he would only reveal the location. Some, like, demonic offering or something. No, yeah, yeah. It didn't sound like that when I first put it like that.

But he would only, like, hide them for a while, and he would reveal them later. And, you know, of course, despite his size, you know, his presence was quite significant to the family. He provided both assistance and amusement. And then I have a few little snippets from people that heard from Jeff and they were conducting interviews and all sorts of things. It went all over the place. So a quote from a paranormal expert says, A quote from a paranormal expert says,

Jeff's case is unique in the animals of the paranormal. His ability to speak and interact with the family goes beyond what we usually see in poltergeist activity. It suggests a higher level of intelligence and intention. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. whoa yeah no yeah there were also of course some spectacle like people that were spectacle skeptical skeptical i was like isn't that one of your classes um there were four people that were like oh it's a hoax um for example historian once said the 1930s were a time of great interest in the supernatural in britain the story of jeff fits in this era's fascination with the unexplained it reflects the social tensions and the search for meaning beyond the material world.

Now, a folklore specialist said, Jeff might be seen as a modern manifestation of the traditional trickster figure found in folklore. His playful, unsettling behavior aligns with characters of the mythical mythical entities and that makes the most sense to me yeah yeah um and like i mentioned this case kind of went all over the world um the media it caught the media's attention uh the story of jeff the talking mongoose swiftly caught the attention of the media both local and international newspapers began to report the strange happenings of the farmhouse often with a mix of skeptic skeptic skepticism um and the case of the talking mongoose living with the family in the isle of man

was of course, and it captured the public's imagination. Headlines range from curious and whimsical to just outright ridiculous because, of course, it really depends what quote you're pulling from, Jeff. Yeah. There was also

a radio news clip that said, in a small farmhouse on the Isle of Man, a family claims to be living with the extraordinary creature, a talking mongoose named Jeff. This story, bizarre as it might seem, has become the talk of the town, attracting curiosities from far and wide.

Stop it. So the family were, you know, getting known because of jeff like they were just humble and then jeff kind of came in and it's like hey here's a spotlight um there's also jeff's the homie yeah he is i like jeff i personally do like Jeff. Yeah, me too. So there was another newspaper clipping that said the Irving's family, the Irving's story of their unusual houseguest has not only mystified locals

but also has granted attention across seas. It is a clever hoax, an unexplained phenomenon, or something else. The mystery of Jeff continues to baffle and fascinate the way you narrated that yeah about that because it's kind of like i did for like halloween but also like the way i kind of got to that voice it's like that announcer from The Legend of Korra. Like that newscaster.

I don't know. It's kind of like somewhat nasally, but also a little bit fast and just fun. Yeah, no, it's fun. I like it. But of course, there was also paranormal investigators that came to the house. And actually, someone quite, you know, well known for his work showed up to investigate the house and the case. Have you guys ever heard

of Harry Price? No. I might have. Okay. We can cover him in another episode because he covered a few he was well known. He was like renowned. He was a renowned ghost hunter and a

psychical research as well now price visited the farmhouse and he conducted a series of investigations he collected hair samples he took photographs he took records of testimonies and price remained cautiously open-minded um though he leaned more towards being more of a skeptic, suggesting the possibility of a ventriloquist or a hoax. Uh-huh. Oh. Yeah, so he sent all the... Go ahead.

No, no, no, you keep going. Okay, so he sent all those samples, like. No, no, no. You keep going. Okay. So he sent all those samples, like the hair samples and all that stuff, to the lab. And the lab said that the hair was dog hair. The family did have two dogs. One of them died, but they still had another one. So they just collected the dog from here. They also collected some paw prints.

But the lab said that the paw prints didn't match any of the animals that they had on their database. And Price also collected some animal bites on the bacon. And the lab said once again that the animal bites on the bacon didn't match

any of the animals. So while the hair might have been of the dog, the paw prints and the bite weren't. Yeah. Not that the animal whatsoever. So when Price decided to look between the walls, because that's where all the sounds were coming from, he noticed that there was, you know,

quite a large amount of space between the walls, enough for something to go through the walls. And then another investigator, Richard S. Lambert, he was a BBC producer. He also took an interest in the case. And Lambert conducted interviews and investigated the site. But just like Pierce, he struggled to draw a definitive conclusion because they couldn't really figure anything else. And then a quote from one of the paranormal researchers said, the Jeff case was a challenge for investigators.

Despite the numerous visits and examinations, no one could conclusively prove or disprove Jeff's existence. It remains one of the most perplexing cases in paranormal research. That's crazy. Yeah. So, like, they're like, we can't prove it but we can't like say it is yeah yeah it's kind of like we're kind of just stuck with what we have jeff the talking mongoose lives on i guess yeah yeah now there is some like theories of motivation where the family might have created jeff um some experts just suggest that creating a story like Jeff

could provide a sense of purpose or excitement to an otherwise routine life. And for a young girl like Boyery, Jeff might have been an imaginary friend who took on the life of his own in the family narrative. Yeah. Now, there was a theory that voyery was really good at throwing her voice like a ventriloquist um and that oyri herself could be doing all this

like all of it yeah but they like, it doesn't make sense. Like there's so much. There's so much going on and she's a little kid. Yeah. And like, for example, there's a, well, she's a teenager, but there's also that time where like they got locked into the parents' bedroom and like something was pushing against the door. I was like, if Voyer was doing just a voice, that'd be, you know, there's so many other things happening. Like things getting hidden and then brought back. The bite marks.

Yeah. The gossip from the neighbors, the neighbor's poultry dying. So that was one of the theories, but it was like never confirmed if voyeur could actually like throw her voice as a ventriloquist. It's just from what I heard, like that was the popular theory, but there was no really like evidence to show that voyeur ever wanted to be a ventriloquist. Like I get the theory, but also that just doesn't feel like it explains it for me. No, no. That just doesn't feel like it explains it for me. No. No.

It's just, that's why, like, one of the paranormal investigators, they're like, we just can't really figure out what it is. Uh-huh. So, with that all being said, let's kind of wrap up with what happened to Jeff. Because Margaret and Voyery, Margaret was the mother, Voyery was the daughter. They left the home in 1945. It all started in 1931. 1930, 1931. In 1945, about 15 years later, they moved out because James, their husband and father, unfortunately passed away.

So they had to sell the family farm um and they moved out uh unfortunately they sold the farmhouse at a loss because of the reputation of the house being haunted um but they sold the farm to a man known as leslie graham and he was a motorcycle racer. Oh, that's cool. Whoa, that's so cool. So he wasn't whatever haunted thing was in the house. Also, I just want to clarify that during this whole media and press

and like word getting around town, the family didn't profit whatsoever. Oh. There were like they didn't profit whatsoever. Oh. There was no... They didn't get paid for anything. That kind of changes things a little. Yeah.

If someone was doing all that, and then you see that they're taking advantage, they're writing books, they're doing movies, TVs, interviews, make a profit. The family never profited from Jeff the Mongoose. And as I just said after james passed away um margaret and voyery had to sell the farmhouse at a loss so they didn't even make a profit selling that they didn't yeah um so it was the year after after they sold the house in 1946 that leslie graham who bought the farm um he talked to the press and he claimed that he had shot and killed jeff

no why what did jeff ever do to you leslie graham seriously seriously so there was also there was also a picture of this I know I was like I was also like yeah um wait no go on

okay so um the picture that um Leslie Graham showed um of the body uh displayed you know the picture was of Graham and he was holding a black and white and much larger animal than the mongoose. And when Voyerie saw the picture, she was like, relief, because she's like, that's not Jeff. Yeah. Yeah. So he killed just another animal in the house or in the vicinity but it wasn't Jeff

sad that he killed an animal happy it wasn't Jeff yeah we love Jeff since then like right now if you were to go visit you couldn't visit? no because the farmhouse was destroyed no so there's no remainder farmhouse whatsoever um and unfortunately voyery died in 2005

but in an interview published later in her life she maintained that jeff was not her creation life, she maintained that Jeff was not her creation. So like, even years later after they moved out, she's like, Nope, we didn't make Jeff up. Like, this was real for us. Okay, this is completely unrelated. Yeah, go ahead. This is completely unrelated. But like, imagine the difference of like,, from, like, 1930 to 2005. Like, she experienced all that amount of time. I don't know. Yeah. Like, the changes in literally the world in that period of time.

That's insane. Mm-hmm. Anyway, sorry. No, it's fine. And that's the story of Jeff the Talking Mongoose. Wow. I'm clapping. We love Jeff.

Yeah. That was a good way to end it. You know what? That was a good third story. That definitely picked me back up a lot. I don't know if you guys can tell, but that picked me back up a lot. Yeah, I could tell that as well

i'm glad that i picked it i wasn't sure when i wanted to throw this story into the mix it worked out i had a feeling i was like last week like their first episode there were some dark stories i was like we're gonna have some dark stories this time let me throw in something fun in there it's like what's fun i was like oh jeff i was like no one dies other than that animal in the end that's not je Jeff. Yeah. We love Jeff. Oh my god. I want a Jeff. Where can I get one? Good point. No one knows

what happened to Jeff after. Wow. The family moved out. You know, the mom and daughter. And like, he didn't follow them wherever they went. So maybe he went back to london or egypt maybe he did maybe honestly as long as he's living a little longer oh he definitely is jeff the talking mongoose yeah it's my role model

he's a fun guy he's a fun guy and I wonder how he survived the poison though seriously because he screamed for like 20 minutes and then he screamed again the next day yeah and he was like yeah I'm good now yeah everything was fine

no biggie I mean I'm kind of glad Yeah, everything was fine. No biggie. I mean, I'm kind of glad that they befriended him because befriending him gave us this whole story of we're now living with this talking mongoose and he gives us all the gossip on the neighbors and the town folks. That's so insane to think. That is so insane to think about.

Yeah. And it's a completely different story. Like, no other, like, paranormal story you hear of, like, poltergeists or hauntings. It's never, like, this interactive with the family. Yeah. Like, in a fun way. That's so fun, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Like, it's all, like, demonic or, like, bad. It's never just, like, there's a talking mongoose who helps us with our chores around the house yeah it's like don't talk shit about us the mongoose we have is going to kill your poultry i mean it's kind of scary it's like disrespect me i'll kill your poultry but like yeah and it's like you never knew what jeff you were getting if you were getting the fun one or if you were getting the mischievous one okay but like if jeff is going to threaten to kill your poultry like that that's kind of scary he has like oh yeah especially after you've seen everything else happen oh yeah how would you be trust that he's not going to kill you fair it's jeff man i didn't even think about it i'm gonna go dark yeah yeah i'll stay but i'll stay away from there no no you're good no but

the one person that said you know Jeff could be considered a trickster if you look back in history I was like oh that kind of makes sense I was like I guess that's what Jeff is you know like he can be mischievous sometimes yeah well should we wrap it up i think we should cool thanks to everyone for tuning into the second

episode thank you thank you so much if you stuck around you are glorious and we love you forever um yeah let us know that you stuck around until the end. Yeah. What's a word that they should comment if they stuck around? Mongoose? I don't know. Oh, mongoose, yeah. Because actually, send us the word

mongoose somewhere in that message. Just randomly. Like, my name is Albert Mongoose. You know. What would your guys just randomly like my name is like albert mongoose you know what would your guys's names be if you were a talking mongoose um jay who likes this mongolia that's racist I think mine would just be Zed ooh okay mine would be

Emy E-M-Y okay mine would be responsible for his own name and then he just spelled G-E-F I love it I wonder if he like found it out like Jeff G-e-f i love it i wonder if you found it out like jeff g-e-f

my name would be like john or something like oh also real quick there is a movie about jeff the mom the talking there is yes last year i think that's so strong looking it up right now. From what I've heard, it's not accurate. So take it with like a handful of salt. A handful of salt. It came out September last year. Oh, actually, if you stuck around this long, the word that you should send us on the email should be a handful of salt.

Yeah. But send us your story. We'll eventually start telling them. Yeah. Any, you know, any help, anything you think we should add or anything.

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