Chambers of the Occult - Episode #3 David's Brushes & Hotel Apparitions: The Málaga Child Prodigy and the Phantom Guests of the Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

In this gripping episode of David's Brushes & Hotel Apparitions, we delve into the heart of Málaga, Spain, to uncover the story of a child whose extraordinary talent for painting left an indelible mark on the art world. Known as "El niño pintor de Málaga" (The boy painter of Málaga), this young prodigy's life was as captivating as his art, filled with mystery, brilliance, and an untimely end that still fuels speculation.From the sun-drenched streets of Spain, we travel to the snow-capped peaks of Alberta, Canada, where the Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel stands as a timeless monument to luxury and history. But within its walls lurks a ghostly presence, a specter that has become as much a part of the hotel's legacy as its stunning architecture and scenic views. We'll unravel the tales of the paranormal activities that have both fascinated and terrified guests and staff alike, making it one of the most haunted hotels in North America.And if your appetite for the mysterious and unexplained is still unsatiated, stay tuned for our bonus story. Venture with us where a forest known as the "Bermuda Triangle" beckons the brave and the curious. This mysterious location is notorious for its inexplicable phenomena, ranging from bizarre visual and auditory experiences to sudden disappearances. What secrets does this mystical forest hide? Why do some call it the most haunted forest in the world? Join us as we step into the unknown, where reality seems to warp and legends come to life.

Chambers of the Occult may contain content that might not be suitable for all listeners. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome back! Hello! This is a thing. I feel like every episode starts off with Alexis laughing. Anyway. It's not a bad laugh. I get nervy.

Anyways. Hi! How are you? I like toy. Anyways. Hi. Who are you? I like to like the listeners. Yeah. I mean, just the listeners. Oh, who? Oh, I'm Kai.

Hey, guys. I'm Alexis, I guess. I'm Alexis. Yeah. I'm a man with no face j no pain no i don't know why you're back and listening but i'm thankful that you're back and listening i'm sure they are as well thanks for being here thank you we made it to three woohoo then you are cherished and you are our beautiful beautiful listeners thank you for being here yeah whatever he said okay now for this week i have one story like always

don't know why that would be different not two two? No, we haven't gotten there yet. They're not short enough to have two. Okay, for this one, I'm going to start off with true crime. I doubt it myself. Yes, it's true crime. Yes. Paranormal gang, where you at? Oh my god

um so how last episode i had a story that was over the pond um this one's still over the pond okay uh it's in spain this time we're gonna go to españa

oh my gosh yes and time frame i forgot last story's time frame but this time we're going to the 1970s 1980s okay okay so this is the story of the boy painter of malaga or in spanish because they speak spanish there el niño pintor de malaga i had to do a lot of translating for this story which was fine um and it was kind of nice knowing that i could pull that information in its natural like language and then translate yeah yeah Yeah. So, who is this boy painter? You might be wondering.

Not for long. So, his name is David Guerrero Guevara. Okay. He was born in October 19th, 1974.

Under the sign of Libra, if that's important to you or not. Oh my God. My mom was born in 1974. Go on. Wait, was she? Yeah, she was born on June 1st, 1974. My dad was born August 26th, 1968. What?

Okay. Okay. 1974. So that's when he was born. He was born in Malaga, Spain. Now, just as a point of reference, Malaga, Spain, it's the sixth largest city in Spain. At least when I looked it up, that's what it told me.

And there's approximately 593,000 people living there. Now, they're just numbers. And we're like, is that a lot? Is that a little? There, Malaga, Spain is about the size of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Milwaukee has 604,000 people. And then Detroit, Michigan is also pretty close. It has 604,000 people. And then Detroit, Michigan is also pretty close. It has 604,000 people. Okay. So it's a big city. Yeah. Now, David, like all kids, he had parents. We can debate the ethics of that later.

Yeah. We can debate the ethics of that later. Yeah. So his dad is named Antonio Guerrero and he was a clothing... He worked at a clothing tailoring shop. Workshop. His mom was

named Antonia Guevara. Guevara. My bad. I'm missing that last name. And she was just a housewife. And I heard their last name so often that I feel so bad that I'm missing it up. But Antonia was a housewife. Now, he was born in 1974.

And now we're going to jump to the year, 1987. Okay. Alexis, do you want to do some math? How old was he? 1987. And he was born in 1984. Eight. Fourteen.

Seven. Thirteen. He hasn't turned 14 yet. But you're, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So David, David, David was in middle school he was i'm going to call him david because that's his name i couldn't say david but i just want to

keep the name as david um yeah he was in he was the middle child of three um he was 13 years old at the time and he had two brothers his older brother was named ge, Jorge. He was 15 years old and his youngest brother was named Raul. He was 10 years old. Now, David and Raul, David is the middle child, Raul is the youngest child. They both like to paint. They like to paint and draw and their house was full of the drawings. The difference was that David, he had a talent for painting, and he would often take extracurricular classes in school for painting with a few of his school friends. But in addition to that, he would also attend an academy of art

where the majority of the students were adults. He was just at a different level when it came to painting. But also his teacher for the Academy of Arts was related to David. It was David's first cousin, once removed, and

he was a professional painter. So he was the one teaching classes and teaching David. Okay, Picasso. Actually, he was a professional painter so he was the one teaching classes and teaching that in okay actually did you know about that no no no um i do mention picasso just very slightly um because by the age of 13 this year um he was kind of like an up-and-coming artist. He wasn't technically famous at the time, but there was talking around the city of Malaga of a young boy who had talent comparable to Picasso.

So, Alexis wasn't far off. I wasn't. And then David Guerrero Guevaras, he had an art exhibition that was scheduled to be part of an Easter exhibition at Galeria La Casa, which is just Gallery of the House or House of the Gallery.

But that was going to be on April 6th, 1987. But three days before that, there was the opening. The opening was three days before. What am I saying? This is where some of the information, I wasn't sure what I was hearing and what I was picking up. Because one of the locations. One of the things I heard is that on April 6th, it was the official opening. But on April 3rd, it was a soft opening for family and friends.

OK, either way, it was open for some people on the third and everyone on the six or everyone on the third as well. But on April 3rd, David and his family went to the opening and there was a journalist that asked David if he could show up on the 6th, on April 6th, for an interview because David was the only kid

who had work on display because the Easter exhibition only had adults, art from adults, and David being the only child, 13, his skill was good enough that they're like, hey, let's put this work up there with everyone else. Sick.

Yeah, so he was really good at painting. I have some pictures of his to show you, some of his artwork to show you later on. I'll drop the link for that when we get to those parts. It was on April 6th that David came home from school and he had a light snack. He had like a yogurt. And Antonia, David's mom, told his dad, told David that his dad was going to pick him up at 9 p.m. after the exhibition.

So he would go to the gallery. He would get picked up by his dad was going to pick him up at 9pm after the exhibition. So he would go to the gallery and he would get picked up by his dad. Now, David painted multiple things. He had a variety of things he painted. He painted things like Hollywood actors.

He had a painting of yeah, he had a painting of Sylvester Stallone Sylvester Stallone? I love that he also did reinterpretations of classic art pieces

and then he would also do family portraits and self portraits I'm also going to give you the link to the self-portrait that he did um now he also liked to draw uh like caricature portraits and then he would also draw really just religious pieces um and that was one of the pieces that was put on display at the exhibition because it was, you know, like an Easter exhibition. He painted a picture of Christ. They liked it.

And they're like, we're going to put it on display. Yeah. So his other work was also good, but this is what made him stood out, at least for that exhibition. Now, the picture that he drew, it's the Christ of the Good Death or in in Spanish, because that's how it's said, El Cristo de la Buena Muerte. So that's what was on display. That's what people were going to go see, along with everything else. It wasn't just like one piece. But Antonia sees David leave the house around 6.30 in the afternoon.

And he leaves with no money, only a backpack that has art supplies in it. And the bus pass. Now, the bus wasn't too far from the house. It was just about like 200 meters walking from the house. So... Yeah, not far.

No. No. And she normally would see him walk out of the house into the bus stop well he would have to make a turn to get to the bus stop but she saw him walk away until like she couldn't see him anymore um and as he was walking away um well we'll talk about that later in a minute sorry um i was gonna say well uh david normally takes the bus to school. It's not his normal route to go to the gallery. So his dad actually drew him a map so he would know where to get off. Oh, OK.

Yeah. Good on his dad. Yes. I mean, this is also before phones and all that stuff. So it's like there is a map of where you have to get. So once he got on the bus. Yeah. Do you have a question? Oh So, once he got on the bus... Yeah, do you have a question?

Oh, no, I was just... I was saying MapQuest. Oh, yeah. Like this little map thing my grandparents used to use. Directions. Yeah. So, once he got off the bus at the stop that the dad told him,

it would be about a 15 minute walk to the gallery. So not too far. Yeah. Now, you remember how I told you that April 6th was the day that he had the interview? Okay, well, there was something else happening on April 6th. It was a really important date for Malaga. But it wasn't important because of the gallery exhibition um but rather because queen sofia was in malaga on april 6th yeah so uh queen sofia is was at the time she

was the queen of spain and she was in town to for the inauguration of the Cervantes Theater. And the academy that Dave attended was about a four-minute walk from the theater that was being inaugurated by the queen. Okay. So it's already a big city, but because the queen's in town, there's going to be more people than usual. Yeah, like it's crazy busy. Yeah, and especially because he's only a four minute walk away from the theater um and i wanted to know more a little bit more about queen sophia because we hear a lot of you know england's royals oh yeah i'm like oh yeah queens of of Spain. So I'll try to sum it up shorter because, you know, we don't really get talk more about her or see her or anything of that sort.

She doesn't get involved. It was just a day she was there. OK. But Princess Sophia, she was born as Princess Sophia of Greece and Denmark. And she was the wife of King Juan Carlos, the first of Spain. OK. Yeah. And she's a queen of King Juan Carlos I of Spain. Okay. Yeah. She's the queen of two places.

Yeah. Princess. That's cool. Or princess, yeah. But that's cool. And prestige. Yeah. Yeah.

So she actually studied childcare, music, and archaeology in Athens. Damn. Okay, queen. So it's kind of weird. I don't mind being like a royal and studying that stuff.

Send me to Athens. I'll go study. And then she married King Carlos Juan Carlos of Spain. And they have three children. Elena, Cristina, and

Felipe. Nice. Solid names. And Felipe is the current king of Spain at the time. Oh, that's cool. So, Queen Sofia, she was quite involved in various charitable activities and she represents

the Spanish royal family in numerous ceremonial and state functions her role was her role has significantly influenced the image and activities of the Spanish monarchy so you know like every other queen it's like let's

make the Spanish good I mean whatever country she's from yeah but that's all she doesn't actually have a little Let's make the Spanish good. I mean, whatever country she's from. Yeah. But that's all. She doesn't actually have a little, what do you call it? Like, guest celebration pop here and there. She doesn't have like a little, here I am. She doesn't get involved in the case.

It was just the day that she was in town that this happened. Yeah, okay. So Antonio, which. So, Antonio, which is David's dad, he went to pick up David that evening at 9pm, but Antonio didn't see David leave the academy. So, he thought that he might have walked to the gallery because they're just so

close to each other. So, Antonio goes to see. But because the interview was supposed to take place at the gallery antonio looks around he asked at the gallery if someone saw him um and no one saw him so he so then david assumed that antonio assumed that david must have walked back back home it's fair yeah which was actually kind of strange because if he was to walk back home, it would have been the first time he walked back to the house.

He never really walked back home from the center. He would always get picked up. Yeah. So Antonio just thinks he's not at the academy. He might be at the gallery because that's where he's works at. It's real close by. He goes there. David's not there. So then Antonio decides

to drive back home. So Antonio comes home and when he enters the house, it's a very like Hispanic Latino-Hispanic thing because he walks in the house and I saw like a

interview with the mom and like some people and the mom said that when Antonio walks in, he goes, which basically means and the kid, but it's more of like, where's the kid? And she responds with the same thing. She's like, where's the kid? Yeah. So this was in 1987 when phones were still kind of like a science fiction machine. was in 1987 uh when phones were still kind of like a science fiction machine um so antonio just quickly makes his way to the police station to file a missing person report yeah and of course

because it hasn't been 24 hours they told him to come back tomorrow yeah which you can just have to say like he went immediately the The police aren't going to do anything. Yeah. I mean, it was a different year, but apparently it still had to be 24 hours in 1987. Okay. That must be so scary, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I feel like every single incident, you don't see him come out of the academy, your heart drops a little, and you're like, wait, but the exhibition is nearby,

shows up, not there, comes home, worse year comes true, he's not here. Ah, cops. Yeah. Just trying to sum it up. So, because they told him that it hadn't been 24 hours and that he had to come back tomorrow, he came back home,

and it was with the help of the neighbors that antonio and the neighbors started to look for him um now i wasn't sure if antonio uh the mom and the brothers also searched for him all i could find was that the dad and the neighbors were looking for antonio i'm sure that the mom did as well but i couldn't find that written anywhere yeah but they had no luck so the next day the police got involved okay now the first thing that the yeah so the first thing that i mean they took it serious like okay it's been 24 hours let's start a search for this kid um and the police interviewed the bus drivers that were police interviewed the bus drivers that were from the day before that might have seen

David. But none of the bus drivers remember seeing David get in the bus, which led the police to the conclusion that David never took the bus and that he never made it to the interview.

So, like I mentioned, Go ahead. No, I know you're getting there, but I'm like... Yeah, yeah. Am I getting there? You'll find out. No, please. And that is it. No. Back next time for part two.

But since that day was when Queen Sophia was in town like I mentioned there was more police than usual there were more people than usual and because David was a 13 year old kid the police kind of discarded the fact that he could have been kidnapped because

a 13 year old would try to put up a fight and with so many people and police around someone would have noticed so real quick the theory try to put up a fight. And with so many people and police around, someone would have noticed. So, real quick, the theory that he was kidnapped, the police discard that. And then,

a couple days go by, and no one calls the family for a ransom. Or, like, the cops for a ransom, no letter, nothing. So they're starting to think that it's not like they want money, like what happened. One of the theories is that David might have run away

or that he was perhaps kidnapped for his talent. Now, yeah, so that's kind of why people, why it became like a well-known case because, you know, he was a artist on the rise.

He could have been real famous if he continued doing the work. But they said that the theory that he was kidnapped for his talent is because they said he, they would kidnap him to make art fakes in the black market. Oh, black market. Yeah. I mean, people would sell fake art on the black market. Yeah yeah I mean people would sell fake art on the black market

I mean I think they still kind of do I mean like with the money I've never thought of fake art being made and sold on the black market but it makes so much sense I mean you wouldn't sell it as fake art you would probably try to sell it as a genuine thing

yeah um I mean, you wouldn't sell it as fake art. You would probably try to sell it as a genuine thing. Yeah. Interesting. But while this theory is the most popular at the time, I mean, given that people just wanted to make sure that David was alive and well, it's unfortunately unlikely. There's a few holes, but because he does have talent, they would probably kidnap him. But he still has a lot to learn and grow yeah so that's why it might have been the most popular

but with time they're like it's not really plausible just because he's still young and his he still has a lot to learn he's good and he'll get better, but we don't know. Now, they start interviewing lots of people and this is when we start getting a little bit into the witnesses. So, one witness came forward. This was a woman and she said that she saw David in the train next to

a well-dressed man, but there was no evidence of that. So, the woman, you know, she said, I was in a train. I think he was in the train standing next to a well-dressed man. Could have been him. Maybe it wasn't. There's just no evidence.

Like I said, this was however, this however led the cops to start investigating the adults in David's life who thought that he might have run away or willingly or that he was tricked into running away now during this whole time they

interview of course family neighbors classmates and then one of his class friends from his art class in school her name's Hema Hema she comes forward with a drawing that David gave her. And the drawing was given to her a few days before he disappeared. And a few

days... No, yeah, a few days before he disappeared, before his work was in the gallery. And it's because all his school friends wanted to get some sort of artwork from David and get it signed by him. Or when he became famous, they would have something. And it's just something kids and even grown-ups would do. It's like, hey, give me some of your work before you're famous. Yeah. Now, at the time, David's painting was estimated to be about 16,000 pesetas, which is what they used at the time because the viewer wasn't a thing. And that was an estimated $1,041. Okay. Yeah, but as the search continued, the value

went up four times to an estimated 4,164. God damn. Quadrupled. Now keep in mind, this is a 13-year-old kid. Yeah. That had a painting worth $1,000. That's crazy.

The painting multiplied by four. But like, why kidnap a kid? You know? He's just a baby. I don't know. It's really what they're trying to find out and it's just not making sense to anyone. I just sent the link to the picture of him

and also the picture of his work that was on display. Okay. And this was like hand painted. Like me at my age, I could not paint that. Whoa, that is insane. Yeah.

So this is the talent that this 13-year-old kid had. What? Yeah. So the friends were right. His work was going to go up in value and they were right to get that stuff

from him. Now, the drawing that David gave to Hema was the most recent one, was one of his most recent drawings. And it was a drawing of a man. Now she didn't know who the man was. And when Hema asked David who the man was, he just didn't answer.

Interesting. Yeah. who the man was he just didn't answer interesting yeah now in the painting the painting academy is located in a building of a cultural and flamenco club called el sanchero kind of fun place yeah so you know there was all sorts of things happening there, dancing and art and other things. And that's where he interacted with the adults. But also he interacted with adults that were kind of in the higher class, like elegant people, people with money and like well connected. And from that academy, it's only a four minute walk to the cervantes theater yeah but once again the cops didn't find anything um that they at least reported to the public during those and at that time they couldn't find anything at the academy as well now let's talk a

little bit more about antonia dav's mom, during that whole time. Okay. Because, of course, any parent that loses a child, she wasn't able to sleep. And she did something very sweet that was just kind of leave the light in the porch turned on in case he came back. Yeah. Of course, you're're gonna do anything yeah um i was gonna bring it up later but this is a good point uh good time to bring

because whenever like reporters would interview her about david his story um she would always ask them when the story would get published and they would always say oh next week and she would respond oh well by next week he'll already be home

she was just hopeful that he would be back yeah yeah and during that time antonio the dad he would go to the police station daily he would go every single day he would ask them for updates but unfortunately days turn to, and weeks turn to months. Now, from April, we're going to jump to October 19th, which was David's birthday. His 14th birthday, and of course,

there was no news of him. October 19th, you said? Yeah, October 19th was his birthday. That's my mom's birthday. you said? Yeah, October 19th was his birthday. That's my mom's birthday. Is it? Yeah. What?

Alexis' mom was born in that year, and your mom was born on that day. Yeah. And that's cool. Wow. I feel like you should tell your mom, Alexis, that... Well, no, I was gonna be like, tell her that a kid went missing that day. No, but he didn't go missing that day. He was just born the same day tell your mom alexis that well no i was gonna be like tell her that a kid went missing that day no but he didn't go missing that day he was just born the same day as your mom did yeah that went missing was born on the same day yeah yeah um now unfortunately the case would

kind of stop grabbing the people's attention on nove 9th, just a month after his birthday, because less than 62 miles from where David lived, Hoded and our men intercepted a car and kidnapped a five-year-old who her brother was taking to school. Okay. And her name is Melody Nakachan. She was the daughter of Raymond Nakachan, a multimillionaire. So, of course, because the daughter of a multimillionaire gets kidnapped by hooded figures that stop the car. Yeah. The news starts to cover that case.

Of course. It takes over over David's. And we can cover this case in the future. It's an interesting case as well. I don't want to give too much of that case away. Okay. So back in December it's when David's starts grabbing more attention again.

So it was on December 6th that a search party for David starts. Um, and it just makes me so like upset because during that whole search party, um, Antonia ends up fainting from just the exhaustion. She was just exhausted and the mental fatigue as well. Yeah, of course. At that point, it's been months. And this really is where it got me. I got so teary when I was just

hearing this. Nine months after his disappearance, Raul, the younger brother, wrote a letter and he read it on the radio. And I'll read it in Spanish and I'll translate it to English just because I want to give it that

like oomph of how I felt. And it just says Hermano David, ya hace nueve meses que saliste de la casa y nadie mas ni nosotros y nada más ni nosotros ni nadie supo de ti. Nueve meses más aquel 6 de abril desapareciste. Estas navidades tu ausencia se hace mucho más grande y dolorosa.

Si me estás oyendo, David, que sepas que te hablo por Malaga, tu hermano, tu amigo y compañero en esta pasión tuya y la mía de la pintura. Mamá ya no tiene lágrimas para llorar. Papá llora adentro como los hombres. Nuestro hermano Jorge igualmente vive en la esperanza, esperanza de tu regreso. igualmente vive en la esperanza esperanza de tu regreso vuelve da señales de vida vuelve para hacernos la navidad mas feliz del mundo I already got teary eyed reading that ok so

so keep in mind Raul the youngest brother he was 10 at the time that he got kidnapped. And at this point, he's 11. So this is an 11-year-old who wrote a letter and is reading it out loud, you know, in the radio for his brother. Yeah.

And the letter goes, Brother David, it's been nine months since you left home, and neither we nor anyone else knew about you. Nine months plus that April 6th when you disappeared. This Christmas, your absence becomes much greater and more painful. If you're listening to me, David, please know that I am speaking to you from Malaga, your brother, your friend, and partner in your and my passion for painting. Mom doesn't have tears to cry anymore. Dad cries from the inside like men.

Our brother George also lives on hope. Hope in your return. Return. Show signs of life. Return to give us the happiest Christmas in the world. Hmm. Uh. Christmas.

You know. And unfortunately, there's no response whatsoever. Yeah. And the first year of David's disappearance comes to an end with no significant leads. Now, it was, I know, it just killed the family so much. Just not having anything. Just a whole year. Yeah.

And of course, you know, the mom kept tearing up in the inside, the dad as well. Everyone, everyone. It was towards the end of 1988 that the police got a lead. So the police followed a lead to Portugal, where they say David had been seen painting on the streets of Lisbon, Portugal with kids around his age. Oh. So they either go or they reach out to the police there and they go investigate and they're able to locate them. But it's not David. Oh.

Now, this unfortunately would only be one of many false sightings of David. Until a woman who works in a hotel named Los Naranjos, which translates to the oranges in Malaga, tells her friend. her friend. So this woman works in a hotel and she tells a friend who's married to a cop that she saw something suspicious related to David the day that he went missing.

And she tells her husband her friend tells her husband and the husband's able to convince the lady that worked in the hotel to give a statement. Okay. So she goes to give a statement, but she said that she didn't speak up right away as to not damage the hotel's reputation.

Weird. It's weird because I'm like, I do feel like someone should speak up right away, but I also don't know the financial situation she was in. Yeah, I guess so. So he could go either way um plus maybe she didn't think anything of it until later on but what she ends up telling them is that

she she retells the story that a uh swiss that in a swiss in a swiss man room, she found a napkin with the name David Guerrero Guevara written on it. And it also had the name of the street that he lived in. That's creepy. Yeah. So she actually found that

written in a napkin the day that David went missing. That's really creepy. Yeah. So this man from Switzerland, he's in town for some reason. He writes his name down. He writes the address. Yeah.

And she ends up just leaving. And the maid comes in and she sees it. She doesn't think much of it because he hasn't gone missing by then. Yeah. At that point, there's really nothing and she sees it. She doesn't think much of it because he hasn't gone missing by then. Yeah. At that point, there's really nothing too odd about it. Yeah. It was the next day that she found a napkin in the trash can. But also, the Swiss man had

already checked out of the hotel. So, the police are looking around, they're talking to people, and they're able to identify the Swiss man looking around, they're talking to people and they're able to identify the Swiss man. So the Swiss man is over 70 years old and his name is Rudolph. I pronounce his last name, so I'm not going to say his name is Rudolph. And he was actually a photographer.

actually a photographer okay however um this they found him after he had passed away uh he passed away in january of 1990 so a few years after this disappearance once the cops get involved find him he had already passed away yeah he passed away before the police could actually identify him so they were able to you know figure a few things from Rudolph. First of all, he was divorced. And they decided to talk to the wife, to the ex wife. Now I guess widow or ex widow, however, I don't know. Oh, yeah. She she still had a lot of his she had his photography studio

in her home and his picture archives so while they were going through that they realized that Rudolph liked taking pictures of kids not weird at all yeah but you can take a

you can relax because none of the pictures have any pedophile content okay yeah um in a future a little a little better yeah no in a future interview um they talked to his son rudolph son son um and he said that his father liked taking pictures of kids because unlike adults kids walked with no care and it was a lot more natural for the kids to just walk around not caring and more candid than adults

walking I guess that's sweet I guess I just wanted to because they made that a very clear point it's like there was no pedophile content it was just pictures of kids walking and then years later when they interviewed the son the son said hey he actually just he like we questioned why he also took pictures of kids and he told us that he took pictures because they're a lot more natural walking around compared to adults that are you know more aware of their posture and things like that so he kind of just i guess it makes sense

now they start doing more digging around of course because this is the only lead they have it's actually somewhat connected um and they found out that riddell uh spent lots of time in Malaga where he bought himself a home okay now the media of course did some digging around and the media mentioned that Rudolph had a boat tied to the dock Malaga is in the south of Spain

like right next to the sea so he had a boat there the media ended up covering that he left for Morocco the day after David went missing. Oh. Interesting timing. That's what I was going to say. I don't know if there was something behind

it or not. But the investigators started to believe that Rudolph was the man that David had drawn and given the drawing to Hema. So the police tries to get records of Rudolph's property in Morocco, but they're unsuccessful just because Morocco is like, hey, we're not going to give you this. It's like you need more evidence than that before we give you someone's information. more evidence than that before we give you someone's information.

Yeah. Another theory was that they did consider that maybe Rudolph simply just helped David run away. But the parents are very adamant that there would be no reason for David

to run away. There was no signs of that as well. So that's why the family just followed the fact that he willingly chose to run away. Yeah. And that's when people start to speculate that, you know, if he ran away and Rudolph helped him,

maybe he went to Switzerland. But of course, the parents just continue denying it because it's like, no, like, why would he run away? Like he had a good life. He had friends, family, art classes,

blah, blah, blah. I don't know. Maybe it was too much pressure on him or something. That I didn't even think of that. It could have been pressure. You're right.

And he was nervous the day that he walked out of the door. His mom could tell, but the theory was that he was nervous because he was nervous the day that he walked out of the door. His mom could tell. But the theory was that he was nervous because he was having an interview. Then that's like valid. Like, yeah. Nervousness. Yeah. That's why the parents didn't think much of him being nervous because they knew he was going to do his first interview on his first market.

Played out somewhere. Now, it would be. am i okay so unfortunately they can't figure anything more out they can't connect more dots no more evidence um now we're going to jump to 1996 which is nine years after his disappearance. Wow. It's been a while. Yeah, the case just goes cold, and the case is archived. It's not closed, it's just archived. Now, during this whole time, Raul's youngest brother, he became a teacher in London. Interesting choice, but cool. I mean something like that

he was 10 years old or 11 when his brother went missing he had some growing up and discovering to do as well that's true very true and he was a few years after in 2015 the

David's dad Antonio Guerrero, he died of cancer without knowledge of his missing son. So the dad just passed away and never got to know what happened to his son. That's so sad. I don't know. that's so sad like i don't know honestly yeah probably like the last thing i would ever think about is just like where where's my son yeah i mean you know you have cancer you're dying in bed and then you can only think of your son i would imagine yeah now it was i got the year here yeah it was after antonio passed away that the family um acknowledged that their son was not acknowledged like that he was legally declared dead and the reason they did that was because the

will was blocked for almost a year because the signature of all the heirs was needed. And because David was not legally dead, no one could get any of the will. They still needed his signature. Yeah, so that's when they said that he died and

legally you would be able to... This was the loss of Spain at the time. I don't know if they've changed or if they applied to other states, but at least in Spain at the time, David was legally declared dead on April 6, 1997, which was just 10 years

after his disappearance. Wow. Yeah, so after 10 years, you would be able to legally declare them dead if no body was found. Uh-huh. Now, the family never really gave up hope. The family's DNA is stored in a missing person's database

in case there's ever any remains that need to be identified. Yeah. So they really did everything they could. They're like, you know what? Here's our DNA. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but here it is. Yeah. Let's

see. And it was, it doesn't end there because in 2018, which is actually quite recent, the brother, yeah, the because in 2018, which is actually quite recent, the brothers decide to have an exhibition showing all of

David's art. That's really cute. Yeah, kind of like an art gallery in memory of her brother. This was 31 years after his disappearance. So at this point, David would have been around 34 years old wow

yeah there's so many years that there's no knowledge whatsoever however the exhibition it's sweet and it's nice it's kind of interesting because the brothers decided to only portray um david has only done like religious artwork like none of the other artwork was displayed in the exposition there was none of his uh caricatures there was none of the celebrities there was none of the self-portraits

it was just his religious work i wonder why that is yeah yeah i couldn't really find it anyone talking about why it was just that but that's the only thing that was on the this you know out there for people to see now um at the exhibition there was a reporter named um george and he talked to daniel daniel is the oldest brother okay wait no sorry the reporter is named daniel george is the oldest brother okay got it and as they're just talking because you know he's interviewing him in the artwork and all that stuff, and his brother, the oldest brother and the reporter start an investigation

of their own. Oh. They're going to do their own detective work on this. Yeah. And what do you know? The first thing to find out is that, contrary to the accounts, there are actually records of people seeing David in the bus stop the day he went missing.

What? Yeah. Like, this is what, like, throws a wrench in the whole thing. Because for, you know, 31 years, people were like, he never got in the bus. But as soon as the brother and the reporter start to find out, they find out that there's eyewitness testimonies that David was at the bus stop the day he went missing. Where did these all come from?

They found, like, a news, like, published article on the 8th of April, which was two days after David went missing. The reporter and George tried to talk to of April, which was two days after David went missing, the reporter in George tried to

talk to the people that saw David that morning, and one of the men, they knew David from around the block, and he said that he saw David standing at the bus stop because there was, not at the bus, that he saw David standing in the bus because there wasn't any seats available

because it was just so crowded oh so yeah he saw that beat in the bus and standing rather than like you know sitting um it was like clear you know yeah yeah it was you know i mean the queen was in town the bus was going to be packed but he saw that david was in the bus in a packed bus standing now um there's also a painter his name is rafael jaime calderon he was the substitute teacher for uh david's regular teacher so for his cousin twice removed if I'm correct. He also said that David made it to the location of the interview. Oh.

He did. So no, he didn't go to the interview. He made it to the location of the interview. So he made it to the location of the interview but he showed up late and the journalist had already left after waiting for David for a while.

But David, David did arrive to the location of the interview. He just didn't make it to the actual interview. Wow. What? That just makes it so much more confusing yeah and it turns out that the reason that you know this didn't get out to public was because the cops were asking the wrong questions they interviewed they the cops got to talk to the uh to the journalist that was waiting for um david but the journalist just said that david never showed up

but there were other people in the area like the substitute teacher that he was just there painting that he saw the journalist leave and then david arrived after he left so the journalist never knew that david showed up late yeah and the substitute teacher rafael um he had a brief conversation with david he got to talk to him during that that same day what yeah um and the and the substitute teacher rafael just told david to go to the academy and that he would see him there he was just gonna rafael was just gonna wrap up the painting that he was doing and then go head to the academy.

And why did none of this ever come up sooner? Because I don't know. Like, I don't know. The cops were asking, but they were not the right ones. Yeah, yeah. Because they were like, did he show up to the interview? They should have asked the people around that area. It's like, did you ever see him show up? He could have shown up early.

He could have shown up late. Turns out he showed up late you know according to yeah yeah teacher um and oh rafael remembers uh that it was that day very clearly because it was the day that he sold one of his paintings but they couldn't pay him because they didn't have enough funds so this so he would come back the next day and it turns out that the substitute teacher rafael did tell the cops twice that he saw david he told the cops twice that's like yeah i did see him what the hell yeah so now who do you trust i know because as soon like as the brother and um you know that reporters start working together like they're digging all this stuff up it turns out that there's also other witnesses that they say they saw david walk into the building of the

academy what is going on? I know! That's when you're thinking, like, oh, you know, it's never solved. The brother gets involved, and, like, all this information is coming to light. Yeah. The original witness that said that they saw David walk into the

academy had unfortunately passed away at the time that Daniel the reporter and George the brother start their own investigation but their daughter Maria recall that her father was very adamant that he made it to the building you know because people kept saying that oh he

went missing he never made it to the bus stop but he's like no like I saw him walk into the building and the mom the mom of Maria even to the bus stop, but he's like, no, I saw him walk into the building. And the mom of Maria even stated that she also saw that he'd go up the stairs. Bro, this is so... So many different

eyewitness accounts. Yeah, which unfortunately, it's one of the less reliable evidence especially when you're asking people like 31 years after he went missing no exactly

so it's like I would want to take this evidence but like there's a grain of salt because eyewitness testimony it's the least reliable source of evidence now the way that the academy was laid out was that the art section was on the second floor and the bottom the first floor was like the the flamenco the dance section so the mom um of maria she stated that she saw that go up those stairs to the classroom section and all that stuff.

So there's a theory that since the academy was located on the second floor of the building and the cultural and flamenco club in the flamenco club building, the theory is that David could have bumped into someone on the way up the

stairs, but David never made it up to the second floor. Oh, so there's a theory that maybe something happened to him on the way up the stairs. And he was never seen again. Literally. And,

you know, Danielle, he's the reporter. He did more digging around and he tried to obtain records from the police station. It was denied because it wasn't a close case. It was archived. Yeah. However, the judicial records were still available.

So they went to ask for them um but they told them that the records had been destroyed because once they're digitalized they're able to destroy the physical ones now that's kind of confusing because i'm not sure why they weren't able to give them a copy of the records being digitalized. Yeah. Oh, true. But it was towards the end of 2018 that the judicial secretary gave George the physical records that were not actually destroyed. Why did it take so long? I don't know if they're like, shit like we destroyed them tell them we destroyed them because they couldn't find them or if they found them later or there was something um but this is where it starts getting more ah okay so during this time, the mom, Antonia, she received a letter that said that in order to solve the disappearance, they had to look for, what's his name? Garabasio.

And ask at the club, El Sanchero, which is where he attended the academy. which is where he attended the academy so people start digging around the mom gets the letter look for this person that you know and they ask people they're able to find six people six people who are who remember uh garbacio now someone close to the president of the club um he was someone close to the president of the club uh but he ended up moving out of magalia malaga yeah okay i'm sorry so they're like find this guy they go ask ground six people are like yeah we remember him but he was close to the president of the club and he moved out of malaga and unfortunately as of 2023 there's no more information of garbacio available to the public like really yeah now unfortunately they can't really go back and ask more questions to the club members and all that stuff because the club no longer exists.

So that's a big affair. And most of the formal members are either dead or they're in their 80s. Oh my god. Because he was one of the few kids

that was there. Everyone else was much older than him, and now they're either dead or they're 80s. Probably. Yeah. But something good did come out of all this, because in 2019, the case was reopened in October.

Oh. Why was it reopened? I think it's because the brother and the reporter were coming up with so much more evidence that they maybe thought, or maybe the letter that was sent to the mom. Mm-hmm. But this is also where I'm just like, what the fuck is happening here? So you remember the drawing that Hama turned in as evidence? Yes.

Okay. That exact same drawing shows up in her mailbox so 30 plus years after you gave that drawing to the cops because your friend went missing it shows up in your mailbox

yeah that's kind of insane and she knows that it's the original one because it includes the original mark from the tumtac where she like had it and it also has her handwriting in the back with the date that she received it from david so it's not a copy It's the actual original one she gave. Yeah. Now, at this point, of course, Hema is a grown-ass woman. And she takes it upstairs and she tells her son. And her son immediately tells her that maybe the evidence was being destroyed.

Maybe the case evidence was being destroyed. But someone wanted to get the drawing back to Hema. I don't understand. It's just a theory that the kid had, that her son had. It's like, hey, maybe they're actually destroying all the evidence. But someone saw the picture and said, hey, let's give it back to the girl that gave it to us. But that means that someone in the police department removed the evidence and returned it to hemma but there is no answer to this and dude i don't i don't get it like why after all this time and why that evidence specifically and yeah no there's it's just not

making sense because there was no envelope no one saw anyone place that there she just was there and because it was you know evidence that means someone in the police department removed it from evidence. Yes. Like, it's not easy to get evidence and then. No. Like, it was very, very intentional. Yeah. But why was it done? I don't know.

Yeah. So now that she has the drawing back, she reaches out to Jorge, George, the brother, and she shows it to him because, you know, he lived with him. Maybe the brother can tell who this man is. Jorge takes a look and because he's

also a painter himself and he's David's brother, he knows that this drawing is actually not of the Swiss man that the cops thought it was. Oh? Yeah, because this drawing had

a thicker nose bridge and the Swiss man more thicker than the Swiss man's and the crow feets were not similar to the Swiss man's at all. Oh my god, he like really not similar to the Swissman's at all. Oh my god.

He really paid attention to the details. Yeah, that's some detail. He would be comparing that drawing to the picture of the Swissman and they're like, it's not the same man. This man has a thicker bridge of the nose. I mean, yeah, no. It just comes to show you that George

is a painter himself. He knows all those little details yeah yeah um they also found out as well that the swiss man the uh rudolph um he bought the house in malaga three because they said he bought a house in malaga he actually bought the house three months after david went missing so he didn't buy it before he went missing. He bought it after three months he went missing. In addition, remember how he said that Rudolph had like a boat

tied to like the dock? Yes. It turns out that the boat wasn't of Rudolph. It was of his son. And the son said that, you know, his dad dad he didn't know how to boat so the whole theories that he left malaga to go to morocco were also false there's so many like like i don't know like lies by

omission and stuff throughout this story I mean there were so many witnesses that just never really they took into consideration and things like that unfortunately this is kind of where like I wrap it up for you guys because the theory nowadays

is that David did take the bus he didn't make it to the interview on time so he gets sent home to he gets sent to the academy by the substitute teacher and he walks up the stairs but he doesn't make it to the class and he yeah but what happened on those stairs yes it's what's driving everyone crazy they were able i was able to find some more information but it was kind of like confusing the way that it was worded um one of the articles that i read said that rudolph the swiss man he had a girlfriend who was blonde and that she was a lot young a lot more younger than rudolph and some people thought that she was a russian dance teacher on the first floor of the academy okay but there's really no like

evidence connecting that this art you know that this dance teacher was rudal's boy uh girlfriend yeah so it's just kind of one of those things that came out of nowhere it's like oh he had a blonde girlfriend oh there was a blonde teacher working there but there's not really like evidence evidence yeah yeah now unfortunately this is still an unsolved case um and i just sent you a link so you can see his actual artwork so you can actually see the type of work that he did which was freaking amazing for a 13 year old kid um if you scroll down i think it's on page nine that's where it starts and the first thing you see is a self-portrait oh whoa very talented yeah and i'll put this on the website with the show notes so people can see

them he also drew his dad, he drew Raul, his brother as he was drawing, and then he has a few animals, and then he has some nude art in there as well. What was W doing? I mean, it was probably...

He learned all the skills. Yeah, of course. Now I'm looking through these. They're... Awesome. Yeah, and once again, you can see the Christ picture that he had at the... Yeah.

So, honestly, he was really talented for his time. And then closer to the bottom, you can see where he was more into like the cartoonish types. Like he has like the Last Supper, but they're all like you would see in like a newspaper cartoon type of thing.

So that's kind of like what they didn't put the brothers didn't put in his art gallery. They just took to the religious pictures. Michael Jackson in the thriller video. Yeah. So,

that's the case of the boy painter of Malaga, or el niño pintor de Malaga. Wow. Sorry, y'all. It's an unsubstantial case. More questions than answers I think anyone that hears this episode this case and anyone that's done research in it is just unsolved

yeah wow it's like, why did it take so long for them to open it back up, check out more evidence, and then they got so much. Much they could have used

before. One thing did come out of this whole thing. I actually didn't write it down. I kind of just dismissed it because there was a documentary done on David. It's free on YouTube. I watched it.

It's maybe like 40 minutes. But it's about him as a missing case. But it also talks about other missing case people, motivations behind people things that could have happened it was just a you know a video of theories and like this other people got kidnapped and but thanks to him um i don't know if it was the main reason but or an inspirational case um a a foundation an organization to find missing uh people uh started

up so something did come out of it at the end you know yeah and i think i forgot the exact numbers i don't want to kind of say it but it said that but it said that by the time that you're done watching this documentary, I think it was either four or six more kids are going to be reported as missing in Spain. Wow.

Which was just kind of like, ah, no, I'm already emotional over this case. No, seriously. Yeah. No, I'm already emotional over this case. No, seriously. Yeah. I don't know. I just want to know.

Go ahead. Thank you for sharing your case. Yeah. I actually don't know if the case is still open or if it was closed but that was or could still be David I don't like you I'm kidding I want to know

I want to know and I knew that you guys were going to feel that way because it's just unsolved yeah unsolved cases are always the worst if they are I also didn't want to leave with the fact that it was unsolved just because

I like it I wanted to feel the same emotions that I did you know like the hope and then the confusion I wanted you guys to feel all of it yeah well i did yeah i was gonna be like and i think no yeah that was good all right all right who's next i wonder hi are you guys ready for the deepest, darkest, paranormal story you'll ever hear?

Yo, I don't know. Not what you're going to hear today. All right. um you know after after our last episode i thought i would take a little bit of a break from anything uh that would bring my mind into the void so so honestly i just a little bit more simple on my story today it's probably not going to take all too long or all too long really um but i was trying to find like a good case just to just to cover um and it was actually cool when i saw this because like in a way i guess you could say maybe it's a little bit of a stretch but i almost have like somewhat of a connection to this story. It's really a stretch. But I feel like

it's kind of cool. Because it's about a haunted hotel in Canada. Which is funny because my last case was also in Canada. There's a pattern. So Which is funny because my last case was also in Canada.

There's a pattern. So I guess like in 2022, I went on a couple trips to Canada just to hang out with some friends. I went to Alberta, Canada. Oh, shut up. Shut up. This is important. I swear. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Shut up. This is important. I swear. Go ahead. But yeah, I went there. And like, so I was there. Or while I was there, some of my friends and I, we went to Banff National Park. It's like this huge national park that they have there. It is so beautiful, like one of the prettiest places I've ever seen in the world. Um, and, um, so like Banff is like a town that's inside of that national park. And then there's other little like towns and hamlets that are there as well. Um, so went to what's called lake luis and it's this huge lake it was really nice but we were also there in march so it was still like winter and it was canadian winter um and i definitely was not prepared for a canadian winter whatsoever no like i like i brought stuff for like layered but i remember i was just like prepared for a Canadian winter whatsoever. That's what I was going to ask.

No, I brought stuff layered, but I remember I was just walking one day and it was like snow was blowing at me and I was about to freeze to death. Yeah. Yeah. I like the cold, but I don't think I'm built for that type of cold. No. I'm built for that type of cold. But yeah, we went to Lake Loise in Banff National Park, and it was all frozen over, and we walked on the lake and everything. It was really nice. But looking over the lake, there is this really old hotel, and it's really cool. It's called the Fairmont Chateau Lake Louise Hotel.

And did you stay there? No. This is why it's a stretch that I kind of... You saw it. You were in the area. I was in the area. You were in the area?

Exactly, yeah. So the Fairmont Chateau Hotel has like a sister hotel called You were in the area. I was in the area. You were in the area? Exactly. Yeah. So the Fairmont Chateau Hotel has like a sister hotel called the Fairmont Banff Springs. And it's just like a little bit of a ways away from the Fairmont Chateau. So they're like their sister hotels, essentially. So yeah, the Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel. So after we like left lake louise we went to the city of banff which was really close and like um we got to walk through there and it was just

so cool it was like this nice little town um that was it was a bit touristy but it wasn't like super developed or anything like because it was in the middle of a national park and it was snowy and stuff. It was really fun. But I was in Banff, really. And that's where this hotel is, and that's my connection to it. So I thought it was cool when I was... Haunted or active? Did you know it was haunted or active at the time? No, not at all. And that's what actually intrigued me by it. That's what caught my eye because I was looking for cases and I was like, wait, I've seen that place. I've been there. And that's really cool. the Fairmont Banff, Banff Springs. That's such a, it's not a hard word to say, but it's, it's spelled B-A-N-F-F, but like it's pronounced Banff. Yeah. I don't know. I could see how that would get stuck in the tongue. Whatever. It's a, so it's like, it's like a historic hotel in Banff in Canada. It is like over 125 years old. It was opened in 1888 by the Canadian Pacific Railway.

So it was like really like the biggest railway system that was going through canada to transport primarily freight throughout the country and so this hotel was basically it started out pretty small it started out as like um like a little wooden hotel that had space for 280 guests but it of course grew to be a lot bigger but it event it originally was just put in to be like um just a nice little hotel for people who are passing through on that railway to stay if they needed to do so yeah fair um so yeah it's so now it's in like the resort town of banff and everything um but there are a few different sort of ghost sightings a lot, popular ghost sightings and stories that they have there. Like I said, none of them are really like super serious or deep or anything like that.

I just think it's kind of fun. Is it like you hear someone flush the toilet? A little bit more than that. A little bit more than that. Okay. Okay. On the same track? Yeah.

Okay. On the same track? Yeah. It's between flushing a toilet and things getting thrown around. It's between flushing a toilet and, like, family murder, you know? Like, somewhere. Oh, okay.

Just where we wanted. I think that's a pretty good range. So, yeah. it's also called The Castle of the Rockies also, which I think is a really cool name. I actually like that name. If you're like, hey, let's go to Canada and stay at

The Castle of the Rockies, I'm like, hell yeah! That's so sick, right? Can I use that as a band name? Castle of the Rockies? You'll probably get sued. I haven't taken the ride. No, no, no. You're going to be like, how do you confuse a hotel with a rock band?

Exactly. Sorry, bro. My bad. All right. So I guess there's a couple different primary ghosts that are seen there. The first one is the bellman or the bellhop. Sam McCauley, who was one of the original bellmen back working at the hotel in the 60s, 70s, somewhere around there. So he was like the head bellman. He eventually passed away. Not much is really known about how he died. But of course, he's still seen to be around the hotel to this day. So Sam was described as such a friendly, kind person. He was always ready to help. And he really just loved his job being there to be able to help people. So a lot of times, he'll be witnessed carrying people's bags or opening up their doors or walking them to their rooms um especially

up on like the ninth floor of the hotel um apparently though he'll like vanish if you actually try to talk with him or like tip him at all which you know stand up guy can you imagine that you're like taking the elevator with the bell man he's carrying your luggage the elevator doors open and you're like oh this is our floor you turn around and like your bags are there like no one's there to help you anymore you have to carry them the rest of the way

I would be freaked out but also like oh like cool actually yeah I don't know stand up guy until you talk to him but yeah he's been seen to be like in his like 60s uniform um you know turning on lights helping out around the thing but um so sam mccauley he was like you know an old scotsman who uh uh, who is working there. Um, but I think like one of the biggest or one of like the most prominent stories of Sam and him helping is there was one day when, uh, two like elderly

women who were, uh, staying at the hotel, they went to the front desk to get some assistance because they like their key to their room wasn't working there was some malfunction or something like that um but the like the regular bellman the alive bellman who was working uh clarify that he was busy and so he he couldn't respond he didn't respond for a while eventually the two older women they got kind of impatient and they headed back to their room um so but once they got to their room a one of the bellmen like joined them um and managed to unlock their door for them let them inside the room they were really grateful that Bellman leaves and the other Bellman the alive Bellman he comes up and he's like sorry I'm so sorry like I can finally come help you what do you need help with and the two ladies are like oh like one

of your other Bellman actually you already helped us and he unlocked the door but he knew that all of his people were busy and nobody could have helped them yet. So he was like, can you describe this person who helped you? And basically, the lady said that, like, or basically what they described was the exact description of Sam McCauley. And so, yeah, that's nothing too special, but I just think it's really fun that there's this really

who's just there to help people. I like it. Me too. He's working there so much that he's still working there to this day. Me at work. But yeah, me at work literally but yeah he's seen up on like the like 6th, 7th and 9th

floors of the house especially lots of cold spots up there and he'll actually even like he's been seen haunting his old office which is now turned into like a guest room oh that would be serious i was gonna ask you like is it still an office or does someone slip there now yeah it's like a guest room

um honestly i'd be fine with like sam chilling in my room i was gonna say the same i was like if all he does is his work i'd be okay with that room you request it that would be the thing i would yeah so there's another ghost story though another popular one um so sam the bellman and this one i'm about to say really like tied for like the most popular stories um but it's the the ghost the ghost bride or the burning ghost bride who's actually there hold on what do you mean they're tied if this one's burning and the other one will help you hey that's why i said there was a pretty big range here so yeah apparently there's um like the story of of a ghost bride that story dates back to like the late 1920s even so it's a pretty old story or at least it's said to you know be dating back to

that time um so the story kind of goes that um there was a young couple that was to be married at the hotel one day. So, you know, they were happy, they were getting ready. The bride had her beautiful gown on and she was, you know, she was looking great. She was ready to go get married. She starts to make her way over and she has to go down, you know, one of the hotel's like big marble staircases but there's sort of two tellings of how it went is that while she you know made her way down the stairs something like startled her she jumped and she slipped fell and broke her neck immediately and that's very sad so why is she on fire that's another

one so there's sort of like two ways it's kind of told mainly this one though that I'm about to talk about yes okay yeah so the general thing is like she slipped and fell down the stairs and

that's how she did die um but some people say that like there were you know there were candles at the opening of the staircase and so when she noticed her dress caught fire and she panicked and so she started trying to put it out furiously because she didn't want her dress to be on fire. But all she was doing that, that's when she slipped and fell. And so, you know, she brushed up against the candle's flame and eventually she tumbled down the stairs while she was burning and um and that's really how it goes so she did end up like passing away on those steps um but like since then i guess like a lot of the hotel staff and the guests they they see like a veiled figure a veiled woman um moving up and down the stairs or they see her in her wedding dress dancing in the ballroom that's upstairs um

and it's actually it's a little bit sad to think about though because like she's dancing in the ballroom waiting for for the dance with her husband that she never got to have. Oh. That's kind of sad. I was going to say I would prefer to see her in the ballroom, but now I don't know. She's dancing alone and she's waiting for her husband. Yeah. That's so sad.

So those are like two of the biggest stories. Of course, there's also other little things that people report happening, like, I don't know, pillowcases being pulled out from under them while they're sleeping or, um, seeing other apparitions. If I'm awake, you can do whatever you want. Just let me sleep in peace. I love how you, like, started it off by saying nothing too crazy you know but this bride caught fire yeah

but you also have to put into the context that my last case was okay okay yes it's a lot worse so next time we don't even know if she actually caught fire or not exactly yeah okay

sometimes this time we don't even know if she actually caught fire or not exactly yeah you know okay sometimes um people will see that like a ghost of like a bartender will be seen and when when people have been drinking too much and that bartender will like shoo them off and tell them to go back to the room and go to bed i like that um yeah i think that's pretty fun as well. Yeah. But also there are some like more like particularly, I guess, haunted rooms of which. So particularly like a room 873 is what it's said to be. So this is kind of where the family murder comes in. What?

Yeah, I wasn't joking when I did say that. But yeah, in room 873, it's said to be one of the most haunted rooms of that hotel. And reportedly, it was where the murder of a family did happen. So it's said that a family was staying there for a weekend getaway or something like that. The husband and wife, two kids, I believe. But the husband and the wife, they had a big argument. So the husband, he went down to the bar, got drunk. He went into the kitchen, grabbed the knife, and yeah.

And he went into the room. So that's how the story is said to be. So that's how the story is said to be. And so now guests and staff have reported seeing, you know, figures outside of the room or even inside the room hearing knocks and sounds and things like that. Actually, that room has been apparently like its door has been sort of, like, closed up. And so the room is closed, and it's sort of just trying to, made to be blended into the wall, so it doesn't draw as much attention. Are you trying, like, it's a sealed room type of thing?

Yeah, so almost like it's sort of like a hidden kind of secret room, or, like, that doesn't exist. Like, if you just, like, tear down the wallpaper, you'd find the door. of secret room or like like that doesn't exist because they just like tear down the wallpaper you'd find the door yeah exactly something like that um yeah so there are these things um actually going back to the the the bride as well like it's actually it became popular enough of a story that um there was special edition The Bride coin that was minted and pressed by the king. And a stamp as well, which I think is pretty cool. That is pretty cool. Canada has really cool anniversary and special edition coins.

We have weird coins. We have really weird coins. Yeah. Canada has really cool money, though. I don't know. I like it. America, catch up. They won't.

I'm serious. Canadian money is like plastic, sort of. So it doesn't get wet. You can't tear it. I don't know. It's colorful. Yeah, I was actually just looking through my Mexican pesos because I have some in my wallet. And I just realized for the first time, I know that there were different colors and all that stuff, but they're also different sizes.

Oh, really? Oh. A few of them are a little longer. A few of them, their length is a little shorter. And I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. That is actually really cool. Makes it easier to pick them up. Yeah. Okay.

Tell us more about the Canadian money. So yeah, the Burning Bride. But the thing is, when I was like researching some of this stuff, I came across a Reddit post. this stuff um i i came across a reddit post and it's like oh is the fairmont bamf bamf springs hotel actually haunted um and so i was reading through like a really big comment um from someone who used to work there they said uh um quote so i used to be a part of the ghost tours we did at the springs in at october and quotes so like apparently they were part of the actual ghost tours um and this comment was left three years ago on this post um they don't do them all right do they still do them

you still do ghost tours i I'm not actually sure. I don't think they do. Jay wants to go on one. I know. That would be fun. I'd be down. It would. But yeah, they said we used to

dress up as the ghost bride and Sam the bellman for the fun little tour for guests um which is a cool little thing um but uh essentially the the recap left by this person the tldr too long didn't read is that all of these ghost stories are made up by previous staff of the hotel. And honestly, I... Yeah. Like, I... That makes sense.

Yeah. I would have heard it, though. Or, like, who started it. So the commenter actually does go into a little bit of detail about that. I can send you guys the link, actually, but I'll... Like, actually, I'll go over some of the points. So he says that Sam the Bellman actually does is based off of like a real person named Sam McCauley, who used to work there, worked there for 20 years. who used to work there, worked there for 20 years.

But he said that the ghost story was made up by a different head of the bellman and the bell desk, a guy named David Moberg. But he said that it was made up and it became a joke in their department. So it became a joke in the department when a bag went to a room and you couldn't find who did it you just said it was sam so apparently they just like named all of these random things on sam the bellman and that's kind of how that ghost story kind of started um that's not a bad origin story if if that's actually what happened. Yeah. So part of the comment is, quote, There have been reports of him appearing in the spa suites, rooms 1052 to 1054, and guests see him at the foot of the bed. This is not possible, as the spa suites were only added to the hotel in 1992, decades after the real Sam worked at the hotel.

Ha ha! But, yeah. I haven't. But. only added to the hotel in 1992 decades after the real sam worked at the hotel but yeah i have a but physically um what if it's like an intelligent haunting and it's aware of its surroundings and just goes into other rooms that is true like just because the rumors weren't there before doesn't mean he can't be in them now. Exactly. Because if he's helping people out with luggage, that has to be an intelligent haunting. It's the wear of the surroundings

and does interact with the living. Exactly. Anyway. He goes on to talk a little bit more about the ghost bride um he recaps that like um you know the he recaps the story

of like young lady who is to be wed and she falls down the stairs and she catches fire and dies um but they said that um the they found out the origins from like the old vice president of the hospital or the hospital the hotel

of the hotel so he said that like the story was created by one of his old colleagues back in 1986 because they were all the group them, they all had a challenge to see who could create the best ghost story. And so that's when Burning Ghost Bride was created, and it's stuck. So they say that there's no actual historical record of this death, and nobody actually can confirm what decade had happened in or when it happened um but they said it's still like a fun like story that they like to tell

i mean if that's true whoever came up with that story must be really proud that it's still around right that would actually be so cool yeah yeah yeah do you imagine like their deathbed they're like i made up this story it's not true at all that'd be really cool um and then i also touch on the room 873 though the commenter said it's room 875 but every other recount online is room 873 so i'm just gonna say that it was like a typo or something but um room 873 is how i'll refer to it as um but they said like how apparently like it is sort of like a missing room that they've you know, closed up because of the, the murder that happened in there. Um, but the, the commenter actually says, quote, I know this one is a lie because I made it up.

No one has ever been murdered at the Pimp Springs Hotel. End quote. I was like, that's really funny. I like how he's like I actually made it up gotcha I love it I'm supporting this

honestly cool like have fun with it I don't know yeah he says that like apparently like it's sort of like the missing room type of thing. It's because it originally was two rooms, but then they, like, there was two rooms there, but then they, like, broke off the connecting wall and just expanded it into one bigger room. So, of course, it would cover the, you know, where the door was.

Exactly. There wasn't a need for a second door, which is right there. That makes sense. It's kind of like logical thing yeah um but the the commenter actually says that like that where that second extra door is is actually right where the head of the bed in the room is so like guests they'll get complaints or like people or guests will like wake up upset because people were knocking like on the wall right next to them i don't know it's kind of funny no that oh could you imagine being that person though you pay so much money to get this room to get woken up in the middle of the night like multiple times i mean but i do think that if you bought that room knowing that it was it quote unquote, haunted, I think you'll be fine getting woken up in the middle of the night.

That's true. Until you find out that there's someone next door. A little bit further down in the thread, in the Reddit thread, there was another person who said they worked nights there. And they said, like, quote, the popular stories are not true but i believe that there is activity there and quotes um and it's like i feel like you could say that for lots of places and i honestly wouldn't believe that that maybe those stories aren't actually true but there is still some activity there nonetheless so it's still it's still pretty cool yeah plus i mean i would imagine if you're going there and wanted to stay in those rooms

you have in your mind the possibility that it could all be fake yeah so you like i wouldn't think that someone would be too upset that nothing happened they go downstairs and be like i want my money back there was no haunting it's like there was no guarantee that there would be i would love to go as well i want to go so that they can tell me the story there's another comment that i was just reading right now um or i was just yeah and so this guy he says quote i was doing drywall work at fairmont banff about 12 years ago we heard several unexplained phenomena at our time tales of the massive shadow wolf that can be found outside on the outskirts of the golf course during a full moon what

i'm sorry sorry I said uh you know what are you we right now what one of that child that sees the wolf is can I pet that dog dog

dog dog dog dog wolf and can I pet that dog? Can I pet that dog? Can I pet that dog? Can I pet that dog? Can I pet that dog? That's the best it's ever going to come from this broadcast. Oh my gosh. Anyway, that's the

Fairmont Gamp Springs Hotel. Okay, but I want to know more oh my gosh anyway that's the fairmont damp springs hotel i want to know more about the wolf like have other people seen it or is it just kind of like it might be true it might not i think it's just a fake story that they yeah no there was um some that someone responded to it it's actually the commenter from the the very first one I talked about who said they did the ghost tours and debunked all this stuff. They said, I'm going to have to call you out on this one, I'm afraid. I haven't heard of a single one of these claims, and they are far too detailed for one. And the lipstick mirror is straight out of RuPaul's Drag Race.

There had only been one hidden room found after the fire in the original hotel which is very tenuous and i couldn't find any evidence of it though oh yeah something i forgot to mention is that like there was a hidden room that was found from the original hotel it was only found because that part of the hotel like caught fire and so um and and so yeah and i guess the story goes is that like builders, they had a really big error when they were making it. So they built a room with no windows or doors. But they didn't tell anyone. And they just covered it up.

Honestly, it sounds like they got away with it. Yeah, it sounds like they did away with it yeah it sounds like they did wow cool I like that we should make a reservation we should Canada

are you listening we're coming your way when we don't know dude these hotels are booked, though. Apparently, you have to make reservations so far in advance. Like a year? Yeah, if you're trying to stay there

during the summer, yeah, you have to make it a year in advance, which is crazy. Wow. Time to start saving. Do you know lots of prices? He insane. Time to start saving. Please donate. Lots of prices. Let me look it up really quick. I'm just curious.

I was like, it might be super crazy or it might just be like, you know what? No, it sounds fair for like a fancy looking hotel at this location. Let's see. Check rates. I like how you just I like how you just had it ready to go well I just looked it up really quick Fairmont One King

is 665 Canadian a night but Fairmont View is 955 Canadian a night, but Fairmont View is 955 Canadian a night. Yo! Damn! There's a whole suite and that's 4,000 Canadian a night.

Which is... Um... Would you like us to come into the hotel and cover it in detail? Yeah. We would love a room.

Let us roam the halls and investigate. What they said. Yeah. I like how you were just like, what they said. Yeah. I agree me too same well thank you

we really do have to thank you we do I know that'd be so sick okay oh yeah it's my turn I also have like I don't know I could probably send you guys them later, show you them later, but, like, I have pictures of when I was there and

walking through the town on the lake and stuff. So, just sort of, like, an idea of what the area looks like. I do have a picture. Well, you were there when it was, like, snowy. I was there when it was snowy. But now I'm picturing lots of snow. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Yeah. Show-hmm. Okay, yeah. Show them later. Yeah. All right. Alexis, you ready to wrap this up? I got the Mystery Ink story. Oh my gosh.

Not actually Mystery Ink, my fault. I have the mystery story is what I meant to say. Okay. And you guys know me by now. Where's the one place I always want to go to?

Romania. Romania. So guess what? We're going to Romania. We're going to Romania. Specifically, Transylvania. No way. Vampires?

Rah. Okay. So, this takes place in, okay, I'm going to butcher every single name. So, just prepare for that. And then I also don't have a whole lot of information. I've tried my darndest to dig into this more, but it is more based on legends and folklore more than anything. And so I want to put that out there there so not many historical facts for me to actually

have okay what are you telling us the story of that pebble that i intend i am telling you the story of the hoya basiu forest located in Transylvania, Romania. It is known mainly for its paranormal activity, has a very eerie reputation, but a lot of people know it as the

Bermuda Triangle of Romania. Oh, oh. Yeah. I didn't know Romania had it. I didn't know Romania had a... I didn't know they were shown like that. I like that. I like that if there are

warning signs to stay out. If you can accidentally wander in there, I think that's a little bit more dangerous. I probably should say this too. It's a very beautiful tourist place that you can go to. So don't be scared if you're in Romania or if you want to go to Romania. Feel free to go. It's a beautiful place.

Just maybe don't go too deep. Don't go into the woods. It's a forest. But it's a forest. I like forests I love forests my name's forest your name is not forest

it's his middle name his middle name is Joseph hey stop doxing me hey my fault his middle name is Hoseway. Forest woman. Okay.

Back on track. So a lot of visitors have reported feeling very intense emotions in a way. A lot of people have reported severe anxiety and nausea but there's also been a lot of ufo and ghost sightings yeah so that's pretty cool um but like

i said really all based on legends and folklore this is like all coming from like locals so it's it does go pretty far back in time i will admit that goes back to the 1920s is where the first incident had happened but it is mainly just stories that they would tell during that time so there are many different occurrences that happen one of the main things that caught my eye and like is the thing that is most popular for is its vegetation so what makes it unique in the forest there are almost like nearly perfect circles of just nothing like no no grass no flowers oh okay i think we've tried to stuff there, but like nothing has worked. And then they had scientists go into the forest, take some tests on the soil, see if it's like radioactive or anything. And everything was clear. Everything's all healthy, good.

That's kind of insane. Yeah. So like there's no actual reason for it to be like this so that was another thing that caught my eye it's also known for its trees so whoa the forest is known for its trees no because i this is why i hate you this is why i hate you. This is why I hate you. But their trees are twisted. They literally curve in from the roots

and they're like... Wait, I think I've seen pictures. Do they look kind of like a like a owl-ish? Do you have a picture you could send? I do have a picture you could send? I do have a picture I could send. This one is pretty good. I think I have, but I might be confusing it with somewhere else.

There's a lot of different trees, to be honest, that are weird. But the one that stands out are the curved ones? Yes. Hey, some people like... What? What? You heard me. Some people like curvy trees.

So true. How do I send the picture? You copy it and then you paste it. That's so true how do i send the picture you copy it and then you paste it that's so true okay but it's it's a pretty common thing that they see through the forest uh that are visitors that go there they notice that the trees literally curve in from the root, which is really weird to me. I sent it to you, and it should have gone through.

Yeah, no. I had a nuts baby. Let me see. Oh, shit. You got it. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I'm reading the URL type of thing. It says Most Haunted Forest. Oh, Forest World. Most Haunted Forest. yeah it's pretty cool i'm reading like the url type of thing it says most haunted

forest forest world most haunted forest dude those are sick trees no they're really cool um some of them kind of look like really eerie too yeah but i told you some people like curvy People like Herbie Treece, like Kai. Yeah. Okay. We're going to talk about the experiences that visitors have had here. So one of the most popular kind of like, again, it's one of the most, not the most, but spirit sightings is, or disappearances that have happened there is the disappearing shepherd so question this one goes back in the 1920s what's your question uh did the sheep also disappear yes oh okay go ahead yeah it's a short little thing. In the 1920s, a shepherd was walking through into the forest along with his flock of about 200 sheep. And they went into the forest, but they had never got out.

And to this day, they've still never been found. So, of course, but that was something that really caught my eye. There's also the ghost girl. The ghost girl is also another paranormal sighting that people have had. That it's just this little girl that walks through the trees. Especially when it's really dark. Yeah. She's just like me for real.

Like, are you okay? Like like i said i like the trees unfortunately i couldn't like find out too much about like the shepherd as well as the girl because like i said this is all based on legend so there's no, historical records of anything, really. But there's also a lot of visitors that have reported, like, unexplained lights and UFO sightings. They'll see little flying objects is what they call them in the sky. They're, like, often either flying through the trees or hovering over them. So you can like clearly see them. And then there, yeah,

it's pretty insane. I don't, I don't know. You and your people. Yeah. Those are all of my drones. My fault. I've never,

and I was thinking, why is Romania so far away? I want to see the slides but i guess i use drones i'm like oh that's what they are can we please go to romania no we'll probably get like killed i don't know why whoa that took a turn let's take a different turn so there's um yeah yeah yeah let's let's actually go ahead and there's also a lot of so a lot of youtubers go there of course there's i was actually trying to do more research on this forest and i was like going through different podcasts. I was trying to watch different YouTube

videos, the longest ones that I could find just so I could find the more information. But in a lot of the YouTube videos that I had at least watched, I noticed that that they had a lot of technical like difficulties throughout them. And I just thought, you know, like, okay, probably something that happens. And when I was doing more research on it I did find out that a lot of people have reported their cameras dying or their GPS systems even not working at times which pretty scary to me I don't know if I can't sorry it's okay yeah no you're fine go on yeah you said like they did like radiation testing and stuff right yeah yeah okay because everything came back good and i was like did you just like about chernobyl or like no they're good they have like okay they're not like amazing they have like

a normal rate of radiation or not a normal rate but i mean maybe they just got like a really big dose of it back in the day and then that it made the trees go all like windy and it caused the stuff in the ground but then like now it's just kind of fine that's how the trees have always been from what i've seen yeah but is it because of the radiation? Maybe. I guess we'll never know. Continue, carry on. I don't think it would really affect them, would it?

No, I don't think it would. Maybe. Maybe. But there was another one of a biologist named Alexandru Sift. He had actually went into the forest while conducting research. He was actually trying to research the soil, little plots of nothing within the forest. but as he was going to conduct the research it went very long where nobody had heard anything from him

and he had disappeared no trace of anything no trace of him really even going in do they have like a search party or something? no they just he disappeared they're like, that's another one? Yep.

I mean, considering that, considering that, like, I mean, if I was a part of a search party and I noticed that people going into the forest just walking through, minding their own business, or disappearing and never coming back, I probably wouldn't want to, I don't know to go in there.

This is where there needs to be signs. Because I honestly would walk through that forest because if the trees are just cool looking. Oh yeah, for sure. But if there's no warning telling me you might go missing. Oh yeah.

Well, everybody knows about the forest now so everyone's a lot of people everyone is a lot of people you know why everyone knows about the forest now because I'm telling them about the forest now fair and then there was another

little not little but like another kind of disappearance that had happened there. It was actually a group of five. And this had happened in the late 1970s, which in my opinion is kind of like somewhat recent. Yeah. Yeah. Right. OK. So, yeah, it was just a group of five hikers and they had entered through the forest. Of course, they were just five friends going on a normal hike.

So they thought, but they never came back. So there's been a lot of just appearances within the forest, no knowledge of who these people were, no knowledge of if they ever came back or if they have families, nothing. I've tried to do my artist to research more on the people that had disappeared, people who had maybe passed away, but there's really no record

of anything. Almost as if they were never there. Maybe. Oh my god. But it makes me want to go to Romania I kind of want to see this is why I said we would die if we go I would love to see this forest no that's like crazy though just like no record

of anything I was like no there has to be something. There's something that I'm missing. There's something that I'm not like looking deep into enough. So that's when I started like looking into other people's videos. Cause I figured, okay, they probably know more than I do. But they had the same information that I did. They had the same information that I did.

So, that's a very short little story, but that is the story of the Foya Basiu Forest in Romania. I, do you guys know the game

Dead by Daylight? Yeah. Do you know, like, the killer, the Huntress? Yes. I don't know't know like the story kind of reminds me of like her backstory yeah like you know she like grew up like in a forest and like this really dark eerie forest and like people would disappear and then she became like the the like killer the monster in the forest because like her mom died and she started like making people disappear from the forest itself i don't know it just kind of reminded me of that it was funny okay we should play dead by daylight then i don't we should we should okay. I do have Dead by Daylight.

I'm saying we could play. Okay. We should play Minecraft, too. Yo, listeners, if you want to see us play Dead by Daylight... And Minecraft. Yeah, and Minecraft. Chambers of the Occult Gaming. Exactly. We'll call it...

When it's, like, horror games, we should call it when it's like horror games we should call it like gamers of the occult gamers of the occult exactly I know I'm creative because I can't do horror games even though I love them

honestly same yeah I get really scared of horror games I think I'd be a little bit more comfortable even though I would still be scared. We should play Phasmophobia. I'm so down. How about we do them all?

Okay, let's do more. Yeah. So in that case, just let us know what you want us to start with. And any other suggestions? I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Actually, about suggestions, we got another submission

for stories. Oh, did we? Yeah, so thank you. It was anonymous. So, anonymous, if you made it to episode three, we got your suggestions. Thank you, and eventually we'll cover them, hopefully sooner rather than later. Thank you very, very much. They sent three stories, and they said this or not.

They're not for the faint of heart. Okay. Get ready. We'll check them out, yeah. Yeah. Cool. We'll give Anonymous a shout out now, and whenever we see the stories. If you want to include your name next time, Anonymous, you

can. We will shoot you can we will shoot you we'll shout you out whoa you don't want to get shot by maybe that's why they kept themselves anonymous yeah better to be safe

sorry anyway thank you for sharing that was a fun little story um any listeners just uh email me my ticket to romania and uh i'll send you if anyone wants to come to us the the banff hotel yeah yeah email us that ticket to the hotel, actually. That's closer to us. Actually, if you're the owners, like Fairmont, if you see this, I will beg. Romania.

Let us know. I love you. What? Oh my god, Josh Hutcherson. Alright, nope. I knew it was coming. And that's the end. Thank you for listening, everyone. Thank you, guys. We'll see you in two weeks.

See you later. Bye. Bye. Bye. I see you. you